#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-17

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[0:00] <maicod> vt100 and ansi make the function keys not work right
[0:00] <maicod> stupid putty :)
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[0:00] <home> midnightyell: sigh
[0:00] <rikkib> There is a setting to make them work
[0:01] <maicod> must be but which :)
[0:01] <home> midnightyell: I want to make a img, that actually works :/
[0:01] <doxinho> where should I order from in teh USA currently? element is not selling
[0:01] <maicod> oh rikkib you mean I should change a config setting of mc :)
[0:01] <maicod> lemme see
[0:01] <rikkib> no putty
[0:01] <midnightyell> home: start with LTIB's default settings - don't change anything - then go from there
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[0:02] <home> midnightyell: already changed default settibgs :s
[0:02] <Blu3Knight> doxinho: I do not think anyone has raspberries I think they are retooling the line for more memory (512 mb) standard.
[0:02] <midnightyell> wipe out the directory and get the source again
[0:02] <midnightyell> at least the host setup won't take long
[0:02] <midnightyell> or
[0:02] <midnightyell> just do a ./ltib -m distclean
[0:03] <midnightyell> that'll revert to defaults
[0:06] <home> midnightyell: I get an error, when I do that :/
[0:08] <DMackey> I grabbed another 256mb one for $25 SHIPPED new in box from a gy I know..
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[0:08] <midnightyell> rm -rf /opt/ltib/pkgs ?
[0:08] <midnightyell> then try ./ltib -m distclean
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[0:09] <midnightyell> perhaps it's /opt/ltib/rpm that's the problem...
[0:09] <doxinho> ah on Blu3Knight :X
[0:09] <doxinho> ok*
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[0:13] <des2> The pre 512MB Pi is the new $25 model A....
[0:14] <Blu3Knight> des2: Also the Model B that was purchased until now
[0:14] <des2> Heh. That's what I meant...
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[0:16] <DMackey> heh, For the price I couldn't pass it up.. I'm sure I'll find a use for it at some point
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[0:18] <Peetz0r> I soldered a laser pointer to my Pi (http://imgur.com/pNUXR) and wrote some morsecode-speaking python (http://paste2.org/p/2344493).
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[0:20] <DMackey> Weee,, Here we go again, "*U.S. Customers* Due to overwhelming demand for new #RaspberryPi, we have had to suspend sales. Save your spot in line by registering... " From Element14 on twitter.
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[0:20] <qrwteyrutiyoup> ouch
[0:20] <DMackey> I registeded yesterday before this cam out...
[0:21] <DMackey> Yeah but we knew it was gonna happen.. so I'm cool with the wait..
[0:21] <des2> lol
[0:21] <alcides> wow
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[0:22] <des2> that's a pretty funky added transistor Peetz0r
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[0:22] * des2 sends Peetz0r some heat shrink tubing
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[0:33] <Peetz0r> des2: yeah, I have added more blue tapeby now :)
[0:34] <Peetz0r> also, thanks for the shipment :)
[0:34] <Peetz0r> You can send it to http://sk1llz.nl/english :)
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[0:36] * maicod hacks Peetz0r :P
[0:36] <des2> What are you using the laser pointer for ?
[0:36] <Peetz0r> morse :)
[0:37] <maicod> you're probably morsing police helicopters ;)
[0:37] <des2> It'll be the last morse someone sees....
[0:37] <maicod> heh
[0:37] <des2> What's morse for "Do not look into laser with remaining eye ?"
[0:38] <Peetz0r> meh, it's a legallaser pointer
[0:38] <Peetz0r> <5mW
[0:38] <Peetz0r> new pic: http://imgur.com/l92d1
[0:38] <Peetz0r> moar blue tape :)
[0:39] <des2> nice and neat now
[0:39] <maicod> peetz0r: poor Pi :)
[0:39] <Peetz0r> yes :)
[0:39] <Peetz0r> nope
[0:39] <Peetz0r> I can still unplug it
[0:40] <maicod> hehe
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[0:41] <maicod> you gonna morse over to another Pi @ some distance that has a sensor ?
[0:42] <des2> He's going to more black helicopter pilots to 'go away'
[0:43] <maicod> Peetz0r is probably busy atm
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[0:44] <asaru> another day, another virus, another dollar
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[0:50] <Peetz0r> I could indeed try to communicate between to Pi's at quite a distance
[0:51] <Peetz0r> or between a Pi and an Arduino
[0:51] <Peetz0r> or between a Pi and a person with a morse code cheat sheet
[0:51] <Peetz0r> I was planning on that case
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[0:57] <maicod> oh its all sounds cool
[0:58] * maicod got an arduino too
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[0:59] <maicod> peetz0r: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mkC0vPhoFs#t=1m42s
[1:00] <simula> pretty
[1:00] <maicod> thanks
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[1:00] <maicod> the start of the vid explains it 'all'
[1:00] <maicod> and shows the arduino :)
[1:01] <des2> It's a Mega too
[1:01] <maicod> yea
[1:01] <maicod> mega2560
[1:01] <simula> what is the watt consumption of an arduino?
[1:01] <simula> it's gotta be pretty small
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[1:01] <maicod> it CAN run on batteries fine
[1:02] <des2> The button isn't used for anything, it is just here because it looks cool.
[1:02] <des2> Nice scrolling.
[1:03] <maicod> thanks
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[1:12] <Peetz0r> maicod: you sound Dutch in your video ;)
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[1:14] <AR_> rev 2 is fake ripoff
[1:14] <AR_> waiting for model A
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[1:14] <MIG-> about to try https://github.com/richardghirst/PiBits has anyone tried ServoBlaster to control multiple servos with the raspberry pi yet ?
[1:14] <maicod> ar: whats wrong with rev2 ?
[1:15] <maicod> do you mean the new one without the polyfuses ?
[1:17] <des2> Ignore AR_ he's trolling.
[1:17] <Peetz0r> how much current can I safely draw from the GPIO pins?
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[1:18] <maicod> oh ok
[1:18] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@
[1:18] * AR_ was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[1:18] <simula> i have a model b, but i really wish the model a was being manufactured
[1:19] <des2> There's more of a difference now that the B will have 512 but the A will have 256.
[1:19] <simula> for low cost applications, $25 is a ton cheaper than $35
[1:20] <asaru> ten bucks not worth it for double the ram?
[1:20] <des2> Peerz0r the PI is limited to 1.1A by the polyfuse on the input
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[1:20] <simula> if you have a ton of autonomous pis sitting around with sensors attached to them, the amount of ram doesn't matter much... but the cost
[1:20] <asaru> yeah i could see that
[1:21] <des2> so assuming you have nothing connected to USB and the PI itself is drawing 500mA that gives you maybe 500mA available ont he GPIO pins
[1:21] <AC`97> wot
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[1:21] <Peetz0r> I don't mean the 5v pins, I mean the actual GPIO pins
[1:21] <AC`97> yay, new firmware. again.
[1:22] <AC`97> 100MHz clock om nom nom
[1:22] <AC`97> Peetz0r: 30mA
[1:22] <AC`97> ohwait
[1:22] <AC`97> divide by 2
[1:23] <linuxstb> If anyone is interested, a Hauppauge "WinTV Duet" dual DVB-T USB stick (dib0700 driver) works fine on a Rev2 Pi and doesn't need a hub.
[1:23] <AC`97> and subtract 5mA to be safe
[1:23] <Peetz0r> 15mA?
[1:23] <AC`97> :P
[1:23] <des2> Ah k sorry misinterpreted your question.
[1:23] <Peetz0r> I had my 50mA laser connected to a gpio pin :p
[1:23] <MIG-> linuxstb: did you add that to the working hardware wiki ?
[1:24] <AC`97> Peetz0r: . . .
[1:24] <Peetz0r> now it has a transistor to make it use the 5v pins
[1:24] <AC`97> Peetz0r: over 16mA could damage pi.
[1:24] <MIG-> Peetz0r: you can draw 3v power from the pi
[1:24] <linuxstb> MIG-: No. I guess I should be a good citizen and go do that?
[1:24] <MIG-> :)
[1:24] <AC`97> Peetz0r: raw laser diode ?
[1:24] <Peetz0r> laser pointer
[1:24] <des2> GPIO input hysteresis (Schmitt trigger) can be on or off, output slew rate can be fast or limited, and source and sink current is configurable from 2 mA up to 16 mA. Note that chipset GPIO pins 0-27 are in the same block and these properties are set per block, not per pin. See GPIO Datasheet Addendum - GPIO Pads Control.
[1:24] <des2> Particular attention should be applied to the note regarding SSO (Simultaneous Switching Outputs): to avoid interference, driving currents should be kept as low as possible.
[1:25] <Peetz0r> connected wires to the battery terminals
[1:25] <des2> From: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[1:25] <Peetz0r> brb, bus stop
[1:25] <AC`97> wot
[1:25] <AC`97> you're playing with a Pi on a bus??
[1:26] <MIG-> lol, like a boss
[1:26] <AC`97> all aboard the gpio bus!~
[1:26] <AC`97> Peetz0r: gangnam style. right. NOW.
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[1:28] <MIG-> I'll ask again, cause I think everyone should know :) Has anyone played with ServoBlaster driver yet https://github.com/richardghirst/PiBits ?
[1:28] <MIG-> allows control of up to 8 (somewhat an arbitrary upper bound), servos using the pi
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[1:32] <AR_> when is model A coming out
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[1:33] <MIG-> ReggieUK, yo
[1:33] <ReggieUK> Hi MIG-
[1:34] <MIG-> Sorry to spam, but after you checked out ServoBlaster ?
[1:34] <plugwash> IIRC the foundation have said "before christmas"
[1:34] <plugwash> but have not given an exact date
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[1:34] <AR_> they should release a barebones version for $18.96
[1:35] <AR_> by my calculation
[1:35] <AR_> it is possible
[1:35] <ReggieUK> MIG-, I haven't tried it, I don't have a servo to use
[1:35] <ReggieUK> AR_, unlikely that they will do that
[1:35] <AR_> it would be a great success
[1:35] <AC`97> AR_: what you mean by bare bones? no memory? XD
[1:35] <AR_> 256k
[1:35] <AR_> cut board size
[1:35] <AC`97> 256k CF
[1:35] <AC`97> XD*
[1:36] <AR_> no connectors
[1:36] <AC`97> you can't even run linux on 256k . . .
[1:36] * AC`97 wanders off
[1:36] <AR_> i bet you can
[1:36] <MIG-> ReggieUK: Maybe I am remembering this wrong, thought you connected a servo to the pi with the end goal of controlling the servo with a wireless wheel
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[1:36] <ReggieUK> you're definitely remembering this wrong
[1:37] <MIG-> alrighty
[1:37] <ReggieUK> but thanks for thinking of me anyway
[1:37] <MIG-> You helped me with some problem, maybe it was powering the pi via the pin
[1:37] <MIG-> rather than usb
[1:38] <ReggieUK> that sounds like it might be more likely
[1:38] <AR_> ok up it to current rev 1
[1:38] <MIG-> :)
[1:38] <AR_> keeo the 256mb
[1:38] <AR_> keep
[1:38] <AR_> but remove all video out and audio connectors
[1:38] <AR_> 1 usb
[1:39] <AR_> ethernet is debateable
[1:39] <ReggieUK> they're not going to do it
[1:39] <AR_> breakout all other pins on headers
[1:39] <AR_> very powerful system
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[1:40] <ReggieUK> I think I see a way you can get what you want
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[1:41] <ReggieUK> 1. buy a model B 256MB 2. Buy a hot-air rework station 3. remove all teh bits you don't want 4. sell the bits you don't want on ebay 5. profit
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[1:43] <AC`97> why 256MB
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[1:54] <atouk> evening, all
[1:54] <AC`97> evening, one.
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[1:57] <atouk> well, if one is all, then all is one. I think i'll have a three muskateers bar
[2:00] <Peetz0r> back :)
[2:00] <Peetz0r> took a while, bacause...
[2:00] <Peetz0r> I UNPACKED MY 2ND Pi!
[2:00] <atouk> 512?
[2:01] <Peetz0r> nope, not even rev2
[2:01] <atouk> that's ok. 256 is find for us pi purists. let the spoiled kids havve the 512s
[2:01] <atouk> (fine)
[2:02] <des2> 25MB means less power use.
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[2:02] <atouk> find good in bad. good philosophy, i like...
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[2:04] <etcetera> anyone using a usb to rs232 converter?
[2:04] <Peetz0r> I'll have a 512mb one soon as well
[2:05] <Peetz0r> etcetera: nope
[2:05] <etcetera> need to connect a redpark cable.
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[2:05] <Peetz0r> I believe the Pi can speak rs232 on GPIO as well
[2:05] <atouk> need a level converter
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[2:06] <Peetz0r> true
[2:06] <etcetera> gpio?
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[2:06] <Peetz0r> http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection
[2:06] <etcetera> http://redpark.myshopify.com/collections/all
[2:06] <etcetera> I want something low friction.
[2:07] <etcetera> was thinking usb -> db9 connector would be viable.
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[2:12] <Peetz0r> Here's my Pi timeline: https://p.6core.net/p/nmukzmpi3bvtivu
[2:13] <Peetz0r> Oh, how bad is it that I already broke my RS Pi's C6? http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Capacitor_C6
[2:13] <Peetz0r> Time to test my soldering skillz... tomorrow.
[2:13] <atouk> mine was tue night order from newark. thur afternoon. arrive and have ver1 of test page running thur night
[2:14] <Peetz0r> Time to go to bed, it's 02:14 here
[2:15] <rikkib> 13:15
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[2:17] <Peetz0r> "If you do break off your C6 capacitor, it's highly likely that your RPi will still work properly", so I shouldn't worry
[2:18] <Peetz0r> good night all!
[2:18] <DMackey> night
[2:21] <techsurvivor> breaking capacitors doesn't sound good...
[2:22] <atouk> more fun to explode them, anyway
[2:22] <Peetz0r> happened in my previous phone
[2:23] <des2> try not to connect and disconnect USB items while your C6 is removed.
[2:23] <des2> Since c6 helps with dealing with sudden power need changes.
[2:24] <Peetz0r> flash was broken, after I replaced the phone months later and took it apart and found a broken, leaking capacitor near the camera flash. that is when I knew why the flash hadn't worked for months
[2:25] <atouk> also, c6 makes a handy thumb hold when plugging in the power cord and ill pop off easily if too much pressure is applied. ask how I know...
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[2:25] <Peetz0r> It happened to me when I tried to remove my Pi from the case
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[2:26] <Mehhh> Are there any make channels?
[2:26] <atouk> luckily, the pads are nice and big and it resolders on easily
[2:27] <mcscruff> anyone good with setting up lirc
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[2:50] <des2> make channels ?
[2:51] <Syliss> probably means like makers faire
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[2:52] <mcscruff> whats the difference between kernel 3.2.27+ and 3.2.27
[2:52] <des2> One is plussier.
[2:53] <mcscruff> lol, great :)
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[2:54] <atouk> maker faire was 3 miles from here a few weekends back and didn't hear about it until the week after
[2:55] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[2:57] <des2> Turnip
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[2:59] <mcscruff> why is there no kernel sources deb in raspbian
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[3:01] <des2> I think because things are bleeding edge.
[3:01] <des2> The same reason I can't find what's in the + version.
[3:02] <mcscruff> i need to get the correct source for the + version so i can compile modules
[3:02] <atouk> + version has what kernels need. it has electrolytes...
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[3:05] <CelticTurnip> woot my 512MB just arrived :)
[3:06] <des2> Congrats.
[3:07] <Syliss> lucky
[3:07] <CelticTurnip> I ordered it yesterday, wasn't really expecting delivery today
[3:07] <des2> mcscruff try: git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[3:07] <CelticTurnip> element14 in Australia had 2500 in stock, so if you're an Aussie and want the new model it's a nice time to buy
[3:08] <mcscruff> des2: i could but that isnt + and i am not sure if thats why my modules are not compiling properly
[3:08] <des2> I'm not sure if + is an actual version.
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[3:08] <des2> Or if they are just referring to the latest 27.
[3:10] <mcscruff> the problem is the Module.symvers files
[3:11] <mcscruff> i might aswell build my own kernel... least i have the sources then
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[3:28] <rikkib> Man that was a big chrome crash. It ran away and kept opening more and more windows until the machine stopped. Only out was a root from a console.
[3:29] <rikkib> reboot
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[3:40] <bcgrown> hi people
[3:40] <des2> hello nonperson.
[3:40] <bcgrown> i'm not a person?
[3:41] <des2> you're a people too ?
[3:41] <bcgrown> i think so
[3:41] <des2> I thought you might have been an ai pi.
[3:41] <bcgrown> no. but i have eyes and i like pie
[3:41] <bcgrown> and pi
[3:42] <bcgrown> anyway
[3:42] <bcgrown> i have a question
[3:42] <des2> We have answers, some of them correct.
[3:42] <asaru> mostly not though
[3:42] <asaru> :P
[3:43] <asaru> j/k
[3:43] <bcgrown> as long as i'm entertained i don't care either way, really
[3:43] <bcgrown> :)
[3:43] <mcscruff> the answer is cheese
[3:43] <bcgrown> is there any advantage to putting a swap partition on a USB hard drive as opposed to swapping on the SD card?
[3:43] <asaru> sd card writes are finite
[3:43] <asaru> from what i understand
[3:43] <asaru> so swapping on sd card is a bad idea in the first place apparently
[3:44] <bcgrown> i was thinking more performance-wise
[3:44] <des2> Yes, the USB drive is probable faster.
[3:44] <des2> Swapping/paging to SD card is slooooow.
[3:44] <bcgrown> i wonder if it would improve java responsiveness at all. subsonic was indeed slloooowww when it swapped to SD
[3:45] <bcgrown> not enough ram on the pi to run it properly :(
[3:45] <des2> Getting a 512 MB pi will probably help more.
[3:45] <bcgrown> des2: maybe some day. gotta work with what i got for now
[3:45] <des2> What is your memory split ?
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[3:46] <des2> (you can choose how much memort cpu gets and how much the gpu gets)
[3:46] <bcgrown> oh
[3:46] <bcgrown> i haven't got that far
[3:46] <bcgrown> where do i choose that?
[3:46] <des2> in the config file
[3:46] <bcgrown> i plan to run raspbian, natch
[3:46] <mcscruff> if my pi "broke" would i be sent a 512 replacement
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[3:47] <asaru> get rpi-update
[3:47] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_raspi-config
[3:47] <asaru> memory split is in config file now?
[3:47] <asaru> i thought you had to rename the elf binaries
[3:47] <bcgrown> mcscruff: yes, if you sent in about $35
[3:48] <des2> mcscruff get that hammer away from your PI.
[3:48] <mcscruff> des2: but i want 512 :( i feel cheated
[3:48] <mcscruff> $ eeew ? :)
[3:48] <bcgrown> mcscruff: join the club. that's the price to pay for being an early adopter
[3:48] <des2> sell the 256 to a friend for $30 and buy a 512.
[3:48] <mcscruff> i will kep the 256 for media centre and get a 512 for programming
[3:49] <drivelights> I'd buy your 256
[3:49] <drivelights> yeah the 256 club
[3:49] <drivelights> I'm a member
[3:49] <mcscruff> im torn between a 512 or wait for a fast quad core android board
[3:51] <mcscruff> i like the pi but do i need 2?
[3:52] <asaru> you need 12
[3:52] <Milos> So how do I use vcgencmd from the firmware folder in github? When I put it in the current directory and run ./vcgencmd it says no such file or directory when it's clearly there; so I'm assuming it has been compiled against some shared libraries or similar that are missing on my Gentoo system.
[3:52] <asaru> is it +x?
[3:52] <asaru> why not just run it from /opt where it should be
[3:53] <Milos> Yes, otherwise the error would be permission denied.
[3:53] * mcscruff slaps his pi for compiling so slow
[3:53] <Milos> Because it doesn't make a difference.
[3:53] <bcgrown> another question. how big of a swap partition should i put on my USB drive?
[3:54] <asaru> you'd think it would just error out, if missing libraries were the case
[3:54] <des2> As big as you'll ever need.
[3:54] <bcgrown> des2: 1TB?
[3:54] <bcgrown> haha
[3:54] <des2> 512MB.
[3:54] <asaru> lol
[3:55] <mcscruff> a general rules on old hardware used to be double the ram
[3:55] <bcgrown> oh fuck i always forget... do i want a primary or an extended partition
[3:55] <bcgrown> *ahem* i mean oh fudge
[3:55] <bcgrown> pardon my french
[3:56] <mcscruff> you want a "linux-swap"
[3:56] <mcscruff> :)
[3:56] <Milos> asaru, "No such file or directory" is an error, and I've had this happen before when trying to run 32-bit stuff on 64-bit installs, so I know it's related to libraries.
[3:56] <bcgrown> mcscruff: yes but not for the whole drive
[3:56] <mcscruff> then a primary for /
[3:57] <asaru> i meant not a filesystem error
[3:57] <bcgrown> mcscruff: was planning to use SD card for / and USB drive for bulk storage. bad idea?
[3:57] <mcscruff> i do that :)
[3:58] <mcscruff> i also have my swap on sd so i could use usb just as storage
[3:58] <bcgrown> so do i want primary or extended partitions
[3:58] <asaru> Milos, you have gentoo running on your pi?
[3:59] <Milos> yes
[3:59] <mcscruff> depends on how you want it set up. i use ext3 for / (primary), then a linux swap on my sd. and my usb is formatted into ext3 or fat32
[4:00] <asaru> nice
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[4:00] <mcscruff> i think its ext3 tho as it was an old hdd
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[4:00] <bcgrown> by primary i don't mean the root filesystem, i mean the partition type
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[4:01] <mcscruff> no, i know what you mean, the partition type is primary and ext3 or 4
[4:02] <mcscruff> or whatever you want to use
[4:02] <des2> Unless you are having more than 4 partitions primary.
[4:02] <bcgrown> ahh
[4:02] <bcgrown> okay
[4:02] <bcgrown> well i only need 2
[4:02] <bcgrown> so i guess i'm fine with 2 primary?
[4:02] <des2> extended allows partitions within a partition
[4:03] <des2> When you have too many partitions
[4:03] <des2> 2 primary is fine.
[4:03] <bcgrown> right. no necesito por mi. gracias
[4:04] <mcscruff> eg, 4gb card - primary of 3.5gb as primary ext3 , 0.5gb as linux swap
[4:04] <des2> sure
[4:04] <bcgrown> or in my case... .5gb as swap, 995gb as ext4 :)
[4:04] <mcscruff> eg with extended: 4gb card - primary of 3gb as primary ext3 , extended 1gb [0.5gb as linux swap, 0.5 fat32]
[4:05] <bcgrown> yet another question... does it matter which partition goes first on the drive?
[4:05] <mcscruff> nope
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[4:06] <mcscruff> im off to bed its 3am
[4:07] <bcgrown> thanks for the help
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[4:07] <mcscruff> night all, and now i let the little pi compile all night
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[4:09] <Milos> mcscruff, overclock it, way faster.
[4:09] <Milos> mcscruff, or use distcc.
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[4:12] <des2> yes you want the swap to be on the faster part of the drive
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[4:13] <bcgrown> des2: what's the faster part?
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[4:15] <atouk> hard drives it was the outer sectors. anything else, not sure it makes a difference
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[4:16] <des2> Yes outer most tracks
[4:16] <des2> Disks are disks
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[4:16] <bcgrown> eh. it's already done. i'll deal with it being 5% slower or whatever if it's not in the right spot
[4:16] <des2> The outer tracks are longer than than the inner tracks.
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[4:17] <des2> don't worry about it
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[4:17] <bcgrown> i will never see the max speed over usb anyway
[4:18] <atouk> nope. plus good caching eliminates any difference
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[4:19] <atouk> really hasn't made a difference since people stopped RRLing their MFM drives
[4:19] <bcgrown> whoosh
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[4:26] <bcgrown> has the quality of analog audio output been improved at all in the last few months? it was pretty bad the last time i tried it
[4:27] <des2> yes
[4:27] <bcgrown> not that i can expect much from a PWM output, i guess
[4:27] <bcgrown> does the volume control actually work now?
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[4:35] <des2> upgrade and see if it works for you. They've been working on the audio and I don't t think they are 100% done yet.
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[4:37] <bcgrown> definitely going to try it out. the pi doesn't uses a PWM output for audio instead of a DAC though, so i don't expect it will ever be that great
[4:37] <bcgrown> *uses, not "doesn't uses"
[4:38] <bcgrown> an addon USB dac would be the bee's knees
[4:39] <home> midnightyell: okay back
[4:39] <home> midnightyell: Failed building mkdistclean
[4:39] <home> Died at ./ltib line 686.
[4:39] <home> traceback:
[4:39] <home> main::remove_rfsbase:686
[4:39] <home> main::f_distclean:712
[4:39] <home> main:549
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[4:52] <AR__> wondering
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[5:10] <home> AR_: like whats?@
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[5:19] <bcgrown> "The dd process ended with an error !" what the heck does that mean?
[5:19] <bcgrown> besides the obvious, that is
[5:23] <des2> It means there was an error.
[5:24] <des2> What were you doing ?
[5:24] <des2> Did it run out of space ?
[5:24] <des2> Or hit a bad sector ?
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[5:34] <bcgrown> des2 no idea... seems it wanted root permission, because i worked when i sudo'd
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[5:34] <bcgrown> (i was dd'ing the raspbian image to my SD card)
[5:34] <bcgrown> using my phone as a card reader so not exactly the most reliable setup. seems fine now though
[5:35] <home> bcgrown: thats our problem right there
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[5:44] <Datalink> bcgrown, writing to a block device does require permissions
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[6:01] <bcgrown> trying to resize my partition... elinux wiki says to do this to start fdisk: sudo fdisk -cu /dev/mmcblk0
[6:01] <bcgrown> but that doesn't actually do anything
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[6:02] <Dan39> O_o
[6:02] <rikkib> Raspbian?
[6:02] <Dan39> bcgrown: you just flash the sd card?
[6:03] <Dan39> just boot it and itll give you option to expand to fill sd card
[6:03] <bcgrown> Dan39: raspbian? i didn't see any such option, but i'm only ssh'ing in
[6:03] <Dan39> ah
[6:03] <Dan39> hmmm
[6:03] <Dan39> run uhh
[6:04] <Dan39> i dont remember the setup command haha
[6:04] <rikkib> sudo raspi-config
[6:04] <Dan39> there
[6:04] <bcgrown> rikkib: thanks, didn't even know that existed!
[6:04] <bcgrown> wiki is outdated i guess
[6:04] <Dan39> yea
[6:04] <Dan39> i did the same when i made my SD card
[6:04] <Dan39> i followed wiki and did it manually before even trying on pi
[6:05] <Dan39> then booted up pi and saw that option and was like "aww dam i just had to do it manually :( thanks wiki!"
[6:05] <rikkib> ftp://zlham.geek.nz/rpi
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[6:05] <Dan39> its on raspbian already afaik
[6:06] <rikkib> There you will find a clone of raspi-config call rpi-config
[6:06] <bcgrown> it is indeed already on raspbian wheezy
[6:06] <rikkib> adds some features and forgets about clocking
[6:06] <Byan> I need to get my RPI working
[6:07] <Byan> rasbian is look attractive
[6:07] <rikkib> set root pass set dns and hosts
[6:07] <Byan> looking
[6:07] <rikkib> and static ip
[6:07] <Byan> I might be missing context, but why static ip
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[6:07] <rikkib> suggested changes for raspi-config but it appears asb does not have ears and eyes
[6:07] <Byan> and dns.. and
[6:08] <Byan> why are you not using DHCP like a sane person
[6:08] <Dan39> DHCP drives me insane
[6:08] <rikkib> Why? I have a fixed ip and fixed ip local net
[6:09] <Byan> people are not sane >_>
[6:09] <Dan39> dhcp is dumb
[6:09] <rikkib> Just adds extra work to get dynamic ip's
[6:09] <Byan> because if you need to change network ranges for some reason it'll be annoying as hell
[6:09] <Dan39> tho it works for certain things :P
[6:09] <Byan> you just configue static IPs on the DHCP end
[6:09] <Dan39> just use it to get the base values, then use those to set static
[6:09] <rikkib> if you want to tunnel through and I do want to tunnel through
[6:09] <Byan> what
[6:09] <Dan39> Byan: too complicated :P
[6:10] <Byan> you can still use DHCP
[6:10] <Byan> as I said, just configure your DHCP to set static IP for your MAC
[6:10] <Byan> and all is done
[6:10] <Dagger2> you think DHCP is complicated, and your alternative is /static config/?
[6:10] <Dan39> like... have to login to router config?
[6:10] <Dan39> :|
[6:10] <Byan> my thoughts Dan39
[6:10] <Byan> Dagger2: *
[6:10] <Dan39> dhcp is of course simple
[6:10] <Dan39> and easiest
[6:11] <Dan39> sure if all your doing is being a n00b browsing the webz then keep it like that
[6:11] <Byan> I do complicated stuff and I still use dhcp
[6:11] <Dan39> maybe you have ip set by mac tho :P
[6:11] <Byan> I do'
[6:11] <Dan39> id rather not
[6:11] <Dan39> lol
[6:11] <Byan> which is less stupid than setting it on the local side
[6:12] <Dagger2> yeah, I do a pile of complicated stuff too, and I use DHCP on everything
[6:12] <Byan> one reason: lets say you have headless RPI/server
[6:12] <Byan> and you need to switch networks
[6:12] <Dagger2> of course I have the DHCP server configured to hand out fixed IPs to all the server-type stuff
[6:12] <Byan> how do you update the IP?
[6:12] <Byan> answer, you can't
[6:13] <rikkib> There are just as many reasons not to run dhcp as there is
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[6:13] <Datalink> hm, I need to think of a science fiction spaceship class that fits a raspberry pi... so I can name mine
[6:14] <rikkib> I choose not to run dhcp on top of all the other services on my systems
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[6:14] <Dagger2> reasons: you're a masochist and you love making your life a pain
[6:14] <Dagger2> I guess that's a reason...
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[6:14] <rikkib> False
[6:14] <Byan> what about my reason
[6:14] <Dagger2> I guess one valid reason is to make sure your systems come up if the DHCP server is down
[6:14] <Byan> I have no idea how people are suppose to have headless servers that don;t use DHCP
[6:15] <rikkib> That is your choice
[6:15] <Byan> thats just insane
[6:15] <Dagger2> I've heard of companies virtualizing everything, and accidentally virtualizing the DHCP server... using a VM host that needs the DHCP server to come up
[6:15] <Datalink> Byan, there was a time when we didn't have DHCP
[6:15] <des2> They give their servers static IPs.
[6:15] <Dagger2> which is fine until they turn the host off, then they're kinda stuffed
[6:16] <Datalink> well, that and that intern gets sacked so hard his ancestors feel it
[6:16] <Byan> anyone who vritualizing their DHCP server has other problems >_>
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[6:16] <Byan> Datalink: yes, and networks were pretty much forced to remain in the same range
[6:17] <Byan> changing all devices to a different range was a HUGE undertaking
[6:17] <Datalink> Byan, I've worked on systems that had to have BNC terminators to avoid loosing the network token
[6:18] <Byan> I feel for you =p
[6:18] <Datalink> I never did get an OS for that old WANG server... my dad had laughs about it thoguh
[6:18] <rikkib> anyhow, the additions I made in rpi-config work. If ip is set via dhcp it picks up on it and allows you to set a static ip permanently. dns settings get fixed in place as well
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[6:19] <Datalink> I should probably visit my ifup scripts, add the thing to find it when I take my pi to school again.
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[6:37] <DMackey> Dreamer!!! www.ebay.com/itm/110952907789
[6:37] <DMackey> Imagine that one...
[6:39] <bcgrown> $754USD for that crap and they still want $16 for shipping??
[6:39] <DMackey> I know... what are these people thinking anyways!!
[6:40] <DMackey> I see auctions like that and I just want to send them a nasty email...
[6:42] <Datalink> buyer assumes all costs
[6:42] <Datalink> that's what, 300 GPB markup?
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[6:43] <DMackey> Guy is trying to get rick quick, not happening is the way I see it LOL
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[6:43] <DMackey> 4 SOLD!!! Whaaaaaaaaaa
[6:45] <Byan> yes
[6:45] <Byan> I just saw that
[6:45] <Byan> maybe I should put up a listing
[6:45] <Byan> I'll make it $753 instead
[6:45] <Byan> undercut the shit out of them
[6:46] <djpohly> the 4 sold look like they've gone for ~70 GBP though according to the purchase history...
[6:46] <djpohly> maybe they beat inflation
[6:46] <bcgrown> perhaps this is a typo and they meant to put in 69.99GBP instead of 469
[6:46] <DMackey> LOL, SAME Guy, www.ebay.com/itm/110954158959
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[6:47] <djpohly> well, there we go. that's obviously the expensive component
[6:47] <Byan> oh you're right Datalink
[6:47] <DMackey> Looks like something is going on...19.99 gbp
[6:47] <Byan> djpohly: *
[6:47] <Byan> too many d names
[6:47] <Byan> wtf
[6:48] <Datalink> s'alright
[6:49] <bcgrown> is there a simple way to remove all the GUI/desktop/X stuff from raspbian? like a metapackage or something?
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[6:52] <DMackey> Hmmm, great idea actually.
[6:52] <djpohly> i'm guessing you can't sudo apt-get archlinuxarm :)
[6:53] <qrwteyrutiyoup> lol :)
[6:53] <djpohly> i'd have to guess it's the same in raspbian as debian, but then i use neither
[6:54] <bcgrown> djpohly: hey now we don't need a flame war here :P
[6:55] <djpohly> heh. well, you can't really pacman -Sy raspbian either, so everyone's even. :)
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[6:58] <djpohly> course, i can't pacman -Sy anything until i figure out what's up with my network card. i kinda thought it was the power supply until i tried a couple others.
[6:58] <djpohly> er... "card"
[7:00] <bcgrown> chip :)
[7:00] <qrwteyrutiyoup> I had problems before with network, but then the problem actually was the power supply
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[7:01] <djpohly> i've tried three now, and the one i have currently was recommended (or so says my advisor). i guess that could mean "recommended by amazon" for all i know.
[7:02] <djpohly> they've all been 1A rated, and i've tried different cables as well. but what happens is i can connect for a minute or two, and then it goes down long enough to cut off communication.
[7:02] <DMackey> I use a 12 volt 1.25 amp wall wart hooked to a car USB adapter for my power... not a single issue with my Pi
[7:03] <DMackey> I didn't have the required 5volt 1amp + adapter so I raided the junk box
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[7:04] <Datalink> I've got 2 USB wall warts, I've run my Pi off my laptop's eSATAp port and my TV's USB, and my Arduino
[7:04] <Datalink> the Arduino was the only device that couldn't provide clean 5V
[7:04] <Datalink> supposedly one other channel member ran their pi at 3.4v
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[7:05] <djpohly> and you can keep network connections alive?
[7:06] <djpohly> man, i certainly hope there's nothing wrong with my board
[7:06] <qrwteyrutiyoup> I think the one I had probelms with said 800mA. the others were OK (1A, 1.2A, 2A)
[7:06] <qrwteyrutiyoup> has yours ever worked ok?
[7:07] <home> Datalink: haha loser
[7:07] <home> Datalink: you damaged your Arduino
[7:08] <Datalink> home, oh like that's the worst torture my Seeeduino board's gone through
[7:08] <djpohly> not yet. i have an 850mA and a 1A, with which it disconnects after a minute or two. i also have a 1A that causes the network to go up and down repeatedly (yikes).
[7:09] <Datalink> djpohly, that may be dirty power, what other devices where on the USB at the time?
[7:09] <djpohly> just the pi. computer -> network port -> pi -> usb cable -> adapter -> wall.
[7:09] <Datalink> hm, odd
[7:09] <djpohly> yeah.
[7:10] <Datalink> are you able to check the testpoints?
[7:10] <djpohly> uh, testpoints?
[7:10] <Peetz0r> djpohly: http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#How_Can_I_tell_if_the_power_supply_is_inadequate.3F
[7:15] <djpohly> checking now
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[7:18] <djpohly> well, it looks like both of the supplies are showing up with 5.75V over the testpoints.
[7:18] <djpohly> will have to keep looking then i guess?
[7:19] <djpohly> er, not 5.75, but 5.5. still too high.
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[7:20] <piney0> djpohly, have you tried different micro usb cables too?
[7:21] <Datalink> djpohly, erf, then it's overvolting, that's actually a tad dangerous on a device without a 5V regulator... try it on a known good source, like a computer
[7:21] <Datalink> piney0, cable wouldn't cause an overvolt like that...
[7:21] <djpohly> but for the record, yes, i've tried different cables.
[7:22] <djpohly> maybe if it was a powered cable? :b
[7:23] <djpohly> Datalink: you mean try powering the board from the computer for the purpose of measuring?
[7:23] <Datalink> djpohly, yeah, though a computer can in some cases power the Pi, it depends on the computer
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[7:24] <Datalink> like I said, I used an eSATAp port, since they have higher power output capabilities for the hard drives
[7:25] <djpohly> ok, voltage is better from the pc. 5.2ish i'd say.
[7:25] <djpohly> that makes me feel better
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[7:27] <djpohly> hopefully the adapters i have coming from mcm will be better behaved
[7:27] <lunra> "Total of 365 nicks" Wow :)
[7:27] <qrwteyrutiyoup> hm. I need a multimeter
[7:27] <Datalink> lunra, 366 now... we have lots of lurkers
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[7:28] <Datalink> qrwteyrutiyoup, it's a good tool
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[7:28] <qrwteyrutiyoup> yep Datalink. very useful
[7:29] <Datalink> djpohly, if it's showing above spec, then there is a chance the board has an issue still... I'm trying to think what'd drive the test voltage high thoguh
[7:29] <Datalink> though*
[7:32] <djpohly> well, it's within the acceptable range (according to that wikipage) when pc-powered. or do you mean it shouldn't show high at all, even with the wall adapter?
[7:33] <Datalink> it's in range, so that's good, but I'm worried about it reading high still... though a lot of that could be the wall warts, I do hope the new adaptor helps
[7:33] <Datalink> it should be okay on PC so long as the port's not ancient though
[7:34] <djpohly> threeish years, not severely ancient. ideally i'd like to power it from a battery pack, but i want to learn to use it first!
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[7:45] <djpohly> well, maybe the laptop isn't going to give it enough current. guess i'll try tomorrow at work. thanks for the help and pointers Datalink!
[7:46] <Datalink> np, and you'd be surprised some times
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[7:58] <crenn> Datalink: I'm not a lurker!
[7:58] <Datalink> crenn, I was pointing at the other 300 or so people
[7:58] <Datalink> you just happened to be standing near them
[7:59] <qrwteyrutiyoup> Lol
[8:00] <crenn> ;PP
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[8:00] <crenn> I've been busy of late, so lurking more
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[9:06] <Jck_true> Lurky Lurky Durky
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[9:12] <Hydrazine> morning people
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[9:19] <rolandow> goodmorning!
[9:19] <rolandow> my raspberry freezes when running X ... without X it will run all day without any problems.. but when I start X, it will freeze eventually.
[9:19] <rolandow> any idea's what I can do?
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[9:21] <sco`> are you using a DE rolandow: ? e.g lxde or xfce
[9:21] <rolandow> sco`: the default raspbian .. what's it called... lightdm?
[9:21] <rolandow> i used the rasbian image from raspberrypi.org .. and i updated it already with rpi-update.
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[9:22] <sco`> i know iv had xorg issues on loads of my machines recently . fix for me was to remove configs and reinstal
[9:23] <rolandow> on other machines or on raspberry's?
[9:23] <sco`> including - but i dont use rasbian
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[9:23] <rolandow> which image do you use?
[9:23] <rolandow> linux arch?
[9:23] <sco`> arch yes
[9:24] <rolandow> but that's slower than wheezy, isn't it?
[9:24] <sco`> they now have a hard float repo
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[9:24] <sco`> so some might argue faster ;)
[9:25] <sco`> but on the fix for yourself. i said that since installing X your system is getting slow.... confirm this by removing X
[9:25] <sco`> you*
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[9:29] <nid0> also, what memory split is being used
[9:31] <sco`> hey any1 else notice that the 128 split corrupts when using high OC values ?
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[9:40] <OH7FXK> Morning
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[9:53] <lunra> rolandow: Are you sure your power supply is capable enough? Don't have my Pi yet but I've heard a bad PSU can cause lockups.
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[9:54] <rolandow> power supply should be 1A
[9:54] <rolandow> but it's from ebay so who knows ;-)
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[9:56] <lunra> Hmm. Do you have any other PSU you can test with?
[9:57] <rolandow> hmm not at the moment
[9:57] <rolandow> but i'll give it a try when i have an other one
[9:58] <rolandow> 1A should be sufficient, right?
[9:58] <lunra> Could you perhaps even try powering it from a PC and see if it still crashes?
[9:58] <lunra> 1A -should-, as far as I'm aware.
[9:58] <rolandow> yes i could power it from a pc
[9:58] <rolandow> with my blackberry cable :)
[9:58] <rolandow> hehe
[9:58] <rolandow> ok i'll try that.. brb
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[10:03] <rolandow> ok .. i'm charged through the USB from my computer..
[10:03] <rolandow> how much mA should that give me? :)
[10:03] <lunra> According to the USB Spec, only 500mA
[10:04] <lunra> However, many computers can supply way more. If you're running Linux on the host, you may wanna watch the kernel logs to USB Overcurrent warnings
[10:04] <asaru> you dont have a wall wart for your blackberry?
[10:04] <asaru> that would probably work, blackberry wall charger should push at least 750mA
[10:05] <asaru> morning, btw
[10:06] <asaru> i run my pi off a breadboard, 1 12v 1.5A wall wart in, 2 voltage regulators, 1 sends 9v to my speakers and the other sends 5v to the pi
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[10:07] * lunra is thinking about doing the same/similar. That or making a cable from a 5V 3A wart.
[10:07] <rolandow> asaru: yes, but the wall wart may not be so reliable.. that's what we're testing now
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[10:07] <asaru> the blackberry one?
[10:07] <asaru> oh i meant a legit blackberry charger, like one that was packaged with the blackberry originally
[10:07] <asaru> would probably work fine
[10:08] <OH7FXK> asaru: i just finnished PSU/UPS box for RPI
[10:08] <OH7FXK> Old 10Ah 12V UPS battery in side it and cheap Ctek charges it
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[10:09] <rolandow> i don't have the legit here :)
[10:09] <asaru> nice
[10:09] <rolandow> i need that at home to charge my blackberry :)
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[10:09] <asaru> i am making a small emulator box
[10:09] <OH7FXK> It's now full so i want see how much it can keep my RPI on
[10:09] <asaru> right now i just have a 4.5" lcd (that takes 12v) but im hoping to get a 7" or so
[10:09] <asaru> i want a box with a screen and controller plugins basically
[10:10] <asaru> i've got 2 snes controllers and 2psx controllers working all at once with gamecon-gpio driver
[10:10] <asaru> not bad
[10:10] <OH7FXK> I have 7" and one strange 9" LCD monitors, both works from 12V
[10:10] <asaru> and then my 1 12v psu seems to be enough to drive all 3, the pi, speakers, and screen all together
[10:11] <asaru> but this is my first prototype
[10:11] <asaru> i'll build another one with a bigger screen, and real pcbs soldered and such
[10:11] <asaru> if i can get the emulators to run a little more stable that is
[10:11] * OH7FXK have two huge 100Ah sealed batterys under he bet
[10:12] <asaru> that would be nice, make it portable, maybe a laptop battery or something
[10:12] <OH7FXK> asru, these batterys aren't so portable, they are about 80kg each :D
[10:13] <OH7FXK> They can keep that computer on about 20hours
[10:13] <asaru> ah
[10:13] <asaru> i would be happy if i could get it to run for a couple hours without charging
[10:13] <OH7FXK> This is normal desktop computer and LCD screen
[10:14] <OH7FXK> and they supply voltage for my radios too
[10:14] <lunra> Only 20? The RPi shouldn't draw more than an amp, you should get 100 hours.
[10:14] <lunra> Oh. But I guess the 100Ah rating is 'ideal' and not 'real'.
[10:14] <OH7FXK> lunra: they are for that computer, not for RPI :D
[10:15] <lunra> oh, oh. Sorry.
[10:15] <OH7FXK> i'm sure RPI stays on whit these over 200hours :D
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[10:16] <OH7FXK> Last winter we had 20h blackout here, i had my transreceivers open and onair and computer+router was on whole blackout :DF
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[10:17] <OH7FXK> But it's takes about 2-4days to full charge
[10:17] <asaru> ham?
[10:17] <OH7FXK> yep
[10:17] <asaru> that explains the nick
[10:17] <OH7FXK> You are ham too?
[10:17] <asaru> no but i like to listen to the convos between hams and the iss
[10:18] <asaru> i would love to try but that stuff is kinda expensive
[10:18] <OH7FXK> hahhahhaaa
[10:18] <OH7FXK> it's not :D
[10:18] <asaru> i'm a poor lowly helpdesk operator :P
[10:18] <OH7FXK> I have had satellite qso's whit cheap baofeng UV-3r :D
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[10:20] <lunra> Packet Radio interests me, but I doubt there'd be any users around me.
[10:20] <OH7FXK> It's allmost dead
[10:20] <lunra> Yup.
[10:20] <OH7FXK> There is only one packetrepeater
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[10:21] <OH7FXK> hmmm, can RPI used as APRS trcaker with a GPS and 2m radio :D
[10:21] <asaru> i have heard of gps working fine on the pi
[10:21] <OH7FXK> But i need to gox, i have time for dentist on 12.00
[10:21] <lunra> If I can get the time, inspiration, and money, I might implement my own hardware and software to make a custom packet radio thingy. One day.
[10:21] <OH7FXK> Where you live?
[10:22] <lunra> NSW, Australia
[10:22] <OH7FXK> ok, i live here in Finland :D
[10:22] <OH7FXK> but i go-->
[10:23] <lunra> bye?
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> morning pis.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> pis? Hm. peeps? oh well, whatever :)
[10:26] <Xark> Yes, that pesky plural Pi problem. :)
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> it just doesn't look right at all..
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> Pions...
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[10:29] <Xark> Or just tee off the grammar police with Pi's?
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[10:30] <lunra> Is there actually a rule that allows a plural on acronyms? I see that a lot.
[10:30] <lunra> *apostrophe on plural acronyms
[10:31] <lunra> We just need to make a backronym for Pi
[10:31] <des2> We don't need no stinin apostrophes on TLAs.
[10:31] <asaru> pis
[10:31] <Xark> lunra: Seems plausible, but not sure where you look-up the official rules. :)
[10:31] <lunra> There aren't really official rules for natural languages :<
[10:32] <Xark> lunra: Hence the smiley. :)
[10:32] <des2> Which is why computers have such a hard time with them
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[10:32] <lunra> And why computer programmers often disagree with them.
[10:35] <lunra> Can anyone confirm clang builds C code correctly for Pi?
[10:35] <asaru> havent tried it
[10:35] <lunra> I did see people saying stuff about Objective-C, but it's ossible they were just answering for how it would work on x86.
[10:36] <discopig> ??
[10:36] <lunra> Clang definitely builds Cortex-A8 code fine, I'm sure it could be pushed into compiling ARM11 code.
[10:36] <asaru> is it in the repo for raspbian?
[10:37] <lunra> Ooops, apparently, but it doesn't work http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=13180&p=143324
[10:38] <asaru> looks like 3.0 works just not later versions
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> is clang producing better code than gcc these days? I know they were making lots of fuss about how much faster it was compilnig than gcc, but nothing a while back about the quality of code it was producing...
[10:38] <lunra> (The only reason I'd use clang is for compiling speed and RAM efficiency. On the 512M new ones, GCC should work fine...)
[10:38] <lunra> gordonDrogon: In some benchmarks, yes
[10:38] <lunra> In most... no.
[10:39] <lunra> But htose benchmarks were on x86
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> I use gcc fine on my 256MB Pi's... but the biggest thing I've compiled has just been LAMP (ie. kernel, apache, mysql & php)
[10:39] <lunra> And I'd imagine it's the same between the two on ARM because neither is particularly optimized :X
[10:39] <megatog615> every time i'd compile ioquake3 on linux with clang, it was 10fps less than default options and gcc
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> that did take about 12 hours in total though...
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[10:40] <lunra> Did you use any swap?
[10:40] <megatog615> since clang ignores pretty much all code optimization flags for gcc
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[10:41] <lunra> Wait, doesn't Apple use Clang? The older iPhones were ARM11, so it should work
[10:42] <asaru> lunra, im pretty sure clang 3.0 is in the repo if you're using raspbian
[10:42] <asaru> do apt-get install clang llvm
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> my Pi has swap, but it didn't really need it - Linux did the sensible thing and pushed non-use stuff into swap for file buffers, but that's it.
[10:43] <asaru> oh but there's the bug. well you could try compiling clang/llvm from source, the newer versions
[10:43] <megatog615> i would like to see a debian compiled completely with clang and clang++
[10:43] <asaru> see if that works
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[10:45] <lunra> I've got a Cortex-A8 Allwinner A10 box as a primary desktop which uses clang fine, and the compile time savings are fairly significant. Compiling is still slooow though. I'll see if I can get a crosscompiler going on my x86 craptop.
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[10:52] <lunra> Cool, someone got AROS running. I'll be sure to give that a try.
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[12:10] <uncola> hi guys
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> hi
[12:11] <uncola> is modmypi a reputable seller?
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[12:11] <uncola> it looks like allied is the main seller for the US? is that right?
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[12:13] <ilidur> I'm looking to set up a mini raspberry pi "data center" with 6 PIs on each "rack". I need a powered usb hub that can power all 6 of them. I suppose that means I need a hub that is powered by a 700mA * 6 = 4.2A... does anyone know such a hub?
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[12:15] <nid0> you'll probably struggle to find hubs that supply that much power
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[12:16] <ilidur> if it's not using anything connected to the usb on the pi, how much does it actually need per pi?
[12:16] <lunra> ilidur: I highly recommend that you build one instead of hunting for one that -claims- to supply that
[12:17] <ilidur> I need a drop-in solution.. not that technical to build one myself
[12:17] <mcscruff> ilidur: i have one :)
[12:17] <mcscruff> paid ?10 for it
[12:17] <ilidur> :)
[12:17] <mcscruff> a belkin 7 port
[12:17] <ilidur> let me google it
[12:18] <ilidur> does anyone know how much power a network connected pi needs?
[12:19] <ilidur> no usb extras connected?
[12:21] <nid0> about 500mA
[12:21] <nid0> or slightly lower
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[12:23] <mcscruff> ilidur: i have http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-2-N-1-USB-2-0-7-Port/dp/B000XPHWMQ
[12:24] <nid0> and whats its power rating?
[12:27] <uncola> is dc 5V 1000mA the correct power for the raspberry pi?
[12:28] <uncola> I just realized my galaxy nexus dock ac adapter is that exact voltage
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[12:29] <des2> Yes that would be fine.
[12:30] <teh_> works perfectly for me
[12:30] <teh_> i think 5v1a is standard
[12:31] <uncola> can you guys tell me the best place to order the raspberry pi in the US right now? are all sites pretty much backordered for 3 weeks?
[12:31] <des2> mcm has them in stock
[12:31] <des2> But they want like $11 shipping.
[12:31] <uncola> backorder 21 days on mcm
[12:31] <uncola> hehe I have it open with one in my mcm shopping cart right now
[12:32] <des2> oh. I checked this afternoon and they had some.
[12:32] <uncola> do you know a site with cheaper shipping?
[12:32] <des2> The cheapest as when element14 had them on ebay with $3 shipping.
[12:32] <des2> But they have none there at the moment.
[12:32] <Peetz0r> ilidur: i'd use a 4-port hub for 3 Pi's, so 2 hubs per 'rack'
[12:33] <des2> I'm afraid all the sites got swamped.
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[12:33] <des2> When the 512 became official.
[12:33] <des2> Just don't order from RS or affiliates.
[12:33] * mcscruff slaps his pi then himself for not using turbo mode to compile
[12:33] <des2> Since that seems to end in long waits.
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[12:35] <des2> slap yourself for to using distcc
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[12:37] <ilidur> Peetz0r: I'll try to see if it needs that much. Maybe I can do without. I don't need power to the usb host.
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[12:38] <nid0> obvious question here, why do you need to use usb hubs to power them?
[12:39] <uncola> oh well, just ordered from MCMelectronics
[12:39] <nid0> whats wrong with a standard pdu and wall warts?
[12:39] <mcscruff> becuase i power all my other usb devices on 1 device
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[12:39] <des2> some things like wifi adapters need more power than the PI can supply via the USB ports.
[12:39] <mcscruff> hdd, wifi adapter draw lots of power the pi cant handle
[12:40] <des2> (especially if you have a polyfuse USB'd pi)
[12:40] <nid0> we seem to have drifted, my comments were at ilidur
[12:40] <ilidur> nid0: because I don't want to have them connected to a computer. I'm using them as a little mobile box with 6 of them connected to a network hub.finding 2 empty sockets at one time is hard enough... try finding 7
[12:41] <Peetz0r> I haven't tried my wifi adapter on my polyfused Pi yet, only my non-polyfued Pi so far
[12:41] <nid0> ilidur: what?
[12:41] <nid0> what does connecting them to a pdu with wall warts have to do with connecting them to a computer?
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[12:44] <ilidur> nid0: i only have usb cables for them, not wall chargers. and having 6 wall chargers is going to be heavy to move around. with the usb hub + network hub it's only two.
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[12:45] <nid0> they dont exactly weigh much...
[12:46] <ilidur> nid0: I'll try the usb hub. If that won't work I'll do it your way :)
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[12:48] <uncola> does the raspberry pi have a sdcard slot or do you plug a sdcard reader into a usb port?
[12:48] <nid0> the sd slot is built in
[12:48] <bircoe> slot
[12:48] <yaMatt> so it has an SD Card slot that it uses to boot from
[12:48] <uncola> nice, now I have a use for my old sd cards
[12:48] <yaMatt> you can boot the Pi from USB though?
[12:48] <des2> the slot is underneath
[12:48] <nid0> no
[12:48] <nid0> it has to read at least /boot from the sd card
[12:48] <des2> andthe card sticks out
[12:49] <nid0> from there you can boot from a usb/network root happily though
[12:49] <nid0> but it does always need the sd card in to read /boot
[12:49] <yaMatt> cool
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[12:53] <aaa801> My uncle is dieing :(
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[12:54] <uncola> that sucks aa801 :9
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[12:55] <c_k> aaa801: as long as he has lived a long and fulfilling life (and most people do), he can die happy in knowing he experienced the world in a way many humans before him have not
[12:56] <c_k> the changes to society over the last century have been truly amazing for all involved
[12:57] <aaa801> He isnt old, he has liver failure but wont go to the hospital
[12:57] <aaa801> he keeps saying that he just has a bug
[12:57] <aaa801> ffs hes yellow
[12:57] <aaa801> its not a dam bug
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[12:59] <uncola> oh shit yellow.. that's bad.. you should make him go
[12:59] <aaa801> the familys tryed
[12:59] <aaa801> we cant force him without getting him sectioned
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[13:00] <uncola> you should do it
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[13:01] <aaa801> but we have to prove that hes crazy basicaly
[13:01] <aaa801> anyway ive got to go to college
[13:01] <aaa801> il be back on later
[13:01] <uncola> ok ttyl
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[14:16] <OH7FXK> Btw, can RPI be powered via these two USB connectors?
[14:20] <[diecast]> no
[14:20] <[diecast]> only the micro one
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[14:21] <Schabo> I would love to see RPi power by PoE though.. that would be awesome
[14:21] <[diecast]> why
[14:21] <Schabo> Less cables :)
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[14:22] <buZz> why not power-by-induction?
[14:22] <[diecast]> wireless?
[14:22] <megatog615> heh
[14:22] <buZz> that would mean _no_ wires
[14:22] <Schabo> That would be even better though
[14:22] <[diecast]> i dont even use ethernet cable
[14:22] <megatog615> yeah my pi would be hooked up to just ethernet then
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[14:22] <Peetz0r> Wireless power, wow :p
[14:22] <[diecast]> wireless power exists, didnt we discuss that yesterday
[14:22] <[diecast]> maybe was another channel
[14:22] <buZz> been here for quite some time already :)
[14:23] <Schabo> I saw something about wireless power on tv today...
[14:23] <Peetz0r> sure, induction, but that's not really useful
[14:23] <[diecast]> its far from new
[14:23] <Schabo> That would be cool
[14:23] <Peetz0r> For short distances (few cm) only, right?
[14:23] <buZz> Schabo: i read something about printable weapon parts just this month, while the printable designs have been going round for the last 4 years
[14:23] <[diecast]> just nobody has really capitalized on it for profit
[14:23] <buZz> Peetz0r: they have done >50cm already
[14:24] <Peetz0r> buZz: is it safe to walk in those 50cm then?
[14:24] <buZz> yes
[14:24] <Peetz0r> link? pics?
[14:24] <buZz> unless you have metal in your body
[14:24] <[diecast]> if you can fit
[14:24] <Peetz0r> how much power?
[14:24] <[diecast]> =P
[14:24] <Peetz0r> I can fit in 50cm :p
[14:24] <megatog615> power the pi off of a reclaimer antenna
[14:24] <Schabo> They powered a TV on the show
[14:24] <megatog615> lol
[14:24] <buZz> http://www.treehugger.com/clean-technology/intel-shows-wireless-electricity-system-at-idf.html
[14:24] <[diecast]> you should eat something
[14:24] <buZz> Peetz0r: ^^^^
[14:25] <Schabo> But I'd be happy with PoE for now... :)
[14:26] <Peetz0r> nice, 60 watt
[14:26] <megatog615> i power my pi off of carbohydrates
[14:26] <megatog615> it eats 1 watt worth of babies
[14:27] <Schabo> lolz
[14:27] <megatog615> it is the world's most evil raspberry pi
[14:27] <IT_Sean> O_O
[14:28] <Schabo> I thought pi(e)s was made for feeding to children, not the other way around
[14:28] <megatog615> do not feed your raspberry pi to children
[14:28] <Schabo> heh
[14:28] <megatog615> children must be fed to your raspberry pi
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[14:32] <ancdix> lol
[14:32] <OH7FXK> i had 14V 2A wall wart somewhere
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[14:38] <TheBadger> my raspberry pi has just started to stop responding randomly during ssh
[14:38] <TheBadger> and will not respond until I do a full reboot
[14:38] <buZz> TheBadger: measured the power between TP1 and TP2?
[14:38] <TheBadger> tried on windows and on linux.. ssh in, it will work fine for a few minutes then just stop responding to keypresses..
[14:38] <TheBadger> what should it be?
[14:39] <buZz> ~5
[14:39] <buZz> how are you supplying power?
[14:40] <TheBadger> 4.95v i am supplying through a phone charger.. I have been using it for months no problem then today it starts to die
[14:40] <TheBadger> also froze randomly during sudo apt-get update
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[14:41] <eggy> mine did that the other day.. turned out the lock switch had been moved on my sdcard :p
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[14:42] <drogon> I'll get the hang of this one day...
[14:42] <OH7FXK> btw, is anyone tested Nokia 3g modems in RPI?
[14:42] <TheBadger> eggy: the sd should be in the unlocked position right?
[14:42] <OH7FXK> yep
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[14:42] <buZz> TheBadger: power supplies can get worse over time
[14:42] <buZz> TheBadger: especially cheap phone chargers
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[14:45] <TheBadger> allright thanks man, I was trying to use the GPIO, nothing major just 2 leds and 2 switches all wired up correctly, nothing drawing more than 10mA.. ive disconnected them n ill see it it works
[14:46] <OH7FXK> badger badger badger mushroom mushroom
[14:46] <TheBadger> mushroom mushroooom
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[14:47] <OH7FXK> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2247484087.png RPI in the internet :D
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[14:49] <drogon> TheBadger, what value series resistor on the LEDs?
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[15:21] <drogon> OH7FXK, 8Mb/sec.. but I never know if I trust those speedcheckers as tehy rely on running java or flash or something like that - and if the interpreter is slow, then it's going to skew all the results.
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[15:22] <buZz> i pulled 10MB/sec already .
[15:22] <buZz> on internal wireless, with writing the data straight to /dev/null
[15:22] <buZz> eh, wired
[15:22] <drogon> I tend to wget -O/dev/null if I need to.
[15:22] <drogon> that seems to be the most efficient way...
[15:22] <buZz> and you only got 8MB/sec ?
[15:23] <drogon> maybe that's all his ISP runs at ... that's a typical adsl2 speed.
[15:23] <buZz> ah yeah
[15:23] <buZz> yeah i dont understand these websites
[15:23] <buZz> we have had networkspeedtesters since the 70s
[15:23] <buZz> why not use them
[15:23] <drogon> on a pi: 2012-10-17 14:23:35 (1.74 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [10485760/10485760]
[15:24] <drogon> that's not bad - my ADSL line syncs at about 17.5Mb/sec.
[15:24] <jonkristian> Anybody know if it is possible to control the rpi with my receiver's (onkyo tx-nr709) remote? Or will cec only work with tv's?
[15:25] <Hodapp> I tested my Linode at around 800 megabits; my home DSL is < 2.
[15:25] <buZz> jonkristian: afaik XBMC has CEC support
[15:26] <jonkristian> buZz: Yes, just curious as if it will work with receivers, i don't have a tv, but a projector...
[15:26] <buZz> is the receiver connected to the raspi's HDMI output?
[15:26] <buZz> does the receiver support CEC?
[15:27] <jonkristian> it will be, and yes it supports it.
[15:27] <jonkristian> im currently at the office, so no chance to test. Just got my rpi up and running:)
[15:28] <jonkristian> just that I read somewhere that receivers don't send cec, only receives or something like that.
[15:28] <jonkristian> am n00b on the topic so thought i'd ask in here:)
[15:28] <buZz> well i have 0 HDMI capable devices (beside the raspi)
[15:28] <buZz> so no clue either
[15:28] <jonkristian> okay
[15:28] <buZz> just try it already :P
[15:28] <jonkristian> :D
[15:28] <kcunning> I have a rather strange question: Does anyone here fly through American airports with their RPis?
[15:28] <jonkristian> Can't wait!
[15:29] <kcunning> I'll be traveling with two, and I'm not sure whether to pack them in my luggage or to carry them on.
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[15:31] <drogon> luggage.
[15:31] <jonkristian> Anybody use the rpi as frontend and linux backend with some sort of pvr installed? Just curious, because at the moment i use my good 'ol shuttle but thinking about setting that one up as a pvr backend and let the rpi handle display:)
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[15:31] <drogon> I got some really funny looks on the train recently when I unpacked a laptop, Gertboard, Pi and started to wire them all together...
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[15:31] <jonkristian> haha
[15:32] <InControl> hope you don't have brown skin
[15:32] <jonkristian> just don't start praying while doing that.
[15:37] <M0RBD> Heh.. Was a bloke on the train packing some white powder into a small glass tube... Then suddenly he put it on this open backpack and tried to ignite it... I was a second away from throwing myself overhim...
[15:38] <M0RBD> But he suddeley put the tube in his mouth and inhaled... Then I realised it was a crackpipe and not a detonator
[15:39] <IT_Sean> O_o
[15:39] <drogon> detonators won't usually go off with a flame...
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[15:40] <OH7FXK> buzz, i have only 8/4 ADSL here
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[15:40] <buZz> OH7FXK: i would put a http/ftp server in your LAN, and put some 1GB.bin file on it
[15:40] <buZz> for testing
[15:41] <kcunning> Okay. So, luggage, and leave the crack pipe at home.
[15:41] <OH7FXK> buzz, eyp
[15:41] <buZz> eyp?
[15:41] <buZz> ah, yep
[15:41] <buZz> :)
[15:41] <OH7FXK> ups :D
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[15:48] <Essobi> kcunning: that'd probably be in your best interest.
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[15:56] <Jck_true> jonkristian: There's some noted about using tuner modules and PVR on the raspbmc forums atleast :)
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[15:59] <Jck_true> I can't wait for my LVDS converter! I'm so excited ! :D
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[16:07] <jui-feng> I hope my ISP problems are resolved now and I can stay online for a while :/
[16:16] <jonkristian> Jck_true: thanks, will check it out.
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[16:21] <nid0> god I hate virgin media so much :@
[16:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ try virgin on adsl
[16:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> cable s fine
[16:24] <nid0> I wouldnt know, and thats why I hate them
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[16:24] <nid0> i'm in an uncabled area and I get their sodding junk advertising through my door offering me a fantastic tv and cable internet experience literally every god damned week
[16:25] <rvalles> heh
[16:25] <rvalles> fuckers.
[16:25] <rvalles> also unlucky enough not to have cable @ area
[16:25] <rvalles> but at least they're not spamming me with cable offers
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[16:26] <nid0> I just dont understand who they think theyre benefitting, our entire new development gets these adverts on a weekly basis, they know the areas theyre sending them to and they know that they havent provided service here
[16:26] <nid0> so where's the gain? they just get several hundred irritated people who'll be less likely to take up their service if they ever do cable it up, and theyre paying to send me advertising for a service they cant provide me
[16:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> write to them and explain that you would if they wholdd cable up the area - but if not please stop ;...
[16:27] <nid0> did that 7 months ago
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[16:33] <drogon> BT keep on spamming me and every time they do, I call them and ask them to stop. They never do.
[16:33] <mcscruff> any polish people here
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[16:34] <nid0> at least with the bt broadband junk mail theyre actually wasting my time with a service they physically can provide though
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[16:36] <drogon> I don't use BT for my calls not Internet. They never learn.
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[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> Just casually checked Element 14. 2028 512MB Model Bs in stock. I'll take four.
[17:01] <Milos|Netbook> Next working day delivery!
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[17:04] <nid0> where? shows awaiting delivery in the uk :<
[17:04] <Milos|Netbook> http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b-512mb/dp/2191863?ICID=ap-rpi-hwb
[17:04] <Milos|Netbook> New Zealand.
[17:04] <nid0> pff, alright for some
[17:04] <Milos|Netbook> Literally couldn't believe it though, since I thought this was news.
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[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> But already 2000 in my country?
[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> Wtf.
[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> And they removed the USB polyfuses, etc.
[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> HOW ARE THESE MINOR CHANGES?
[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> Wikipedia lied to me.
[17:05] <Milos|Netbook> These are fantastic and major changes.
[17:05] <nid0> the polyfuse removal is pretty minor
[17:06] <Milos|Netbook> Major for me... 3G dongle and I'm trying to run it all off battery.
[17:06] <nid0> you are still limited by the pi's overall 700mA fuse
[17:06] <Milos|Netbook> Nope :P
[17:06] <nid0> you are unless you bridge it, which you could do with the usb ones previously as well
[17:06] <Milos|Netbook> What about GPIO power pins?
[17:07] <Milos|Netbook> That doesn't go through the fuse, does it?
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[17:09] <rvalles> 14:24:02 nid0 | so where's the gain? they just get several hundred irritated people who'll be less likely to take up their service if they ever do cable it up, and theyre paying to send me advertising for a service they cant
[17:09] <rvalles> nid0: or perhaps they're testing the waters
[17:09] <nid0> mm, yeah if you're supplying power in via gpio it may avoid the main polyfuse
[17:09] <rvalles> as in, "is it worht it to bring cable here?"
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[17:10] <rvalles> based on the amount of calls they get from the area asking for cable after spamming it.
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[17:11] <nid0> doesnt seem likely, a rational approach to that would be to send a "would you be interested in cable, we might provide it" letter, rather than "Hey! Try our awesome Tv and cable, owait we cant give it to you"
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[17:14] <Datalink> snirk, I'd probably write back with a 'flaws in your approach' letter... but then again, college students have annoyingly unjustified egos as a result of recent education in the stuff that hasn't been properly squashed by reality so pay no mind to me
[17:15] <Datalink> very least your address gets put on a 'smug bastard' list
[17:15] <Datalink> one of these days I need to actually try that to get the loan shark companies to stop sending me crap...
[17:17] <drogon> Milos|Netbook, yes, you can power a Pi via the GPIO pins.
[17:17] <drogon> Milos|Netbook, and it bypasses the poyfuse.
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[17:17] <Milos|Netbook> Exactly, nid0.
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[17:21] <drogon> whether that's sensible or not is another matter ;-)
[17:21] <drogon> (Although I've done it myself when driving a Pi on battery)
[17:22] <Virunga> Hi, did anyone make an order recently to ship in Europe? How's the timing?
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[17:23] <Virunga> Did anyone used erlang with rpi?
[17:23] <Virunga> *use
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[17:24] <Milos|Netbook> drogon, good good.
[17:29] <drogon> Milos|Netbook, Pi doesn't last long on 6 x AAs )-:
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[17:29] <Milos|Netbook> But is it stable?
[17:29] <Milos|Netbook> That's all I care about.
[17:29] <drogon> it was stable while the batterys lasted.
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[17:29] <drogon> 2-3 hours IIRC.
[17:29] <Milos|Netbook> Because I need to run a 3G dongle as well.
[17:29] <drogon> they're quite power hungry.
[17:30] <Milos|Netbook> The issues I've been having is the voltage drop caused the dongle to disconnect a lot.
[17:30] <Milos|Netbook> So I need a good quality source.
[17:30] <drogon> they can tx. at up to 4 watts ERP.
[17:30] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah...
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[17:31] <drogon> what are you using on the Pi side - just pppd ?
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[17:31] <Milos|Netbook> Yup.
[17:31] <drogon> I used wvdial with pppd a lot in the past on linux boxes. not tried it on a Pi yet.
[17:32] <Milos|Netbook> Works great on AC :P
[17:32] <drogon> AC -> as in with a power suppoy from the mains?
[17:32] <Milos|Netbook> Yup.
[17:32] <drogon> *supply.
[17:32] <drogon> ok
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[17:33] <Milos|Netbook> The most annoying part was the freaking polyfuse because of the amount of cable hacks I had to do just to get the damn thing to use more than 100mA.
[17:33] <Milos|Netbook> I had to power the dongle from the battery via another USB cable.
[17:33] <Milos|Netbook> It was a damn mess.
[17:33] <drogon> short/remove the 2 polyfuses on the USB.
[17:33] <drogon> should be clean enough.
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah I did that, it was great while it lasted, then I shorted a wire by accident and that pi went out the door.
[17:34] <drogon> I've seen others run separate cables from the micro usb to the usb power pins.
[17:34] <drogon> oops...
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> But I just ordered four new model Bs which don't even have USB polyfuses so that's great.
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[17:34] <drogon> indeed!
[17:34] <drogon> what's your application for them?
[17:35] <Milos|Netbook> I'd like to be able to use it (stable, on batteries) on RC devices.
[17:35] <drogon> get big batteries...
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> I will sort something out. I just need to have that 5V on TP1 and TP2 all the time.
[17:36] <drogon> more or less.
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> Also I've been having ridiculous 'page allocation failure' issues.
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> Anyone experienced these?
[17:36] <drogon> ?
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> i.e. out of physical RAM, but have 512MB of swap.
[17:36] <drogon> running out of RAM?
[17:36] <drogon> Ah.
[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> It uses it, but why does it complain.
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[17:36] <Milos|Netbook> It keeps complaining.
[17:37] <drogon> That's linux lying about the amount of free ram it has ...
[17:37] <Milos|Netbook> I have logs and and logs of page allocation failures.
[17:37] <Milos|Netbook> Yet I have lots of swap available.
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[17:38] <SpeedEvil> page allocation relies on having ram to allocate.
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> not swap
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> Not to mention the 'keven 2 may have been dropped'.
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> So are you telling me it's normal?
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> increase main_free_bytes
[17:38] <SpeedEvil> or whatever that's called
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> you mean, vm.min_free_bytes
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> and that doesn't help that just makes it worse
[17:38] <Milos|Netbook> s/bytes/kbytes/
[17:39] <drogon> echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory
[17:39] <drogon> try that.
[17:39] <Milos|Netbook> If I set it to 32780 or wahtever 32k is, then it will invoke oom killer when it has < 32MB free RAM.
[17:39] <Milos|Netbook> WTF?
[17:39] <Milos|Netbook> Instead of use swap.
[17:40] <Milos|Netbook> drogon, I'll try that tonight and see how it goes. I need to read abotu what it means as well.
[17:41] <Milos|Netbook> s/abotu/about/
[17:41] <drogon> Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting and sysctl/vm.txt
[17:41] <drogon> or thereabouts
[17:41] <Milos|Netbook> Yep got it.
[17:43] <teh_> swapfile on sd card is stupid :P
[17:43] <drogon> it works though.
[17:43] <drogon> and if you have nothing else it's your only choice...
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> Correct.
[17:44] <Milos|Netbook> It has worked, and causd a load average of 15 and it took me 2 minutes to login via SSH.
[17:44] <drogon> :)
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[17:44] <drogon> best to not swap then :)
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[17:49] <Milos|Netbook> Also if I may ask, drogon perhaps.
[17:49] <Milos|Netbook> Have you used the dynamic 'turbo mode'?
[17:50] <Milos|Netbook> They keep talking about raspi-config. I don't use raspi-config. I use config.txt. So what are the recommended settings to achieve 1GHz dynamic 'turno mode'? Do I need to set an overvoltage? Do I need to change the memory, GPU, etc clocks or just CPU?
[17:50] <Milos|Netbook> None if this is really explained anywhere on the raspberry pi blog post.
[17:50] <Milos|Netbook> Just says '1GHz turbo mode'.
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[17:52] <JamesHarrison> Milos|Netbook: check the elinux wiki config.txt documentation
[17:52] <Milos|Netbook> I have.
[17:53] <Milos|Netbook> It doesn't answer my questions.
[17:53] <Milos|Netbook> I want the official raspberry pi overclock settings that raspi-config sets.
[17:53] <Milos|Netbook> If the blog post mentioned '1GHz turbo mode' then I want to know what settings they used for that profile.
[17:54] <Milos|Netbook> But they are nowhere to be found.
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[17:55] <drogon> Milos|Netbook, sorry - was afk for a bit -yes I use the new dynamic turbo mode on all my Pi's.
[17:55] <drogon> Milos|Netbook, http://unicorn.drogon.net/config.txt
[17:55] <Milos|Netbook> Thank you.
[17:55] <dirty_d> Milos|Netbook, that frustrated me too
[17:56] <drogon> that's what I use and it gets to 1GHz - I have 2 Pi's that will do 1.1GHz too.
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[17:56] <drogon> anyway, time for me to go now.
[17:56] <drogon> laters..
[17:56] <Milos|Netbook> Thanks drogon, see you.
[17:56] <Milos|Netbook> dirty_d, >:(
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[17:56] <LennyLinux> drogon: how are the temperatures?
[17:56] <dirty_d> i use those settings also
[17:56] <dirty_d> but 1000 not 1100
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[17:57] <LennyLinux> Doesn't it warm to much?
[17:57] <dirty_d> not mine
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> I get some warmth with over_voltage 8,9 and 1.15GHz.
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> But who cares.
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> It's not going to cause a fire.
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[17:58] <dirty_d> is it stable?
[17:58] <Milos|Netbook> It was, until now.
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[17:59] <Milos|Netbook> So I'm going to try a little lower :P
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[17:59] <LennyLinux> Does it need an overvoltage to get the 1GHz?
[17:59] <Milos|Netbook> Yes.
[17:59] <dirty_d> yea
[17:59] <dirty_d> i used over_voltage=6
[17:59] <dirty_d> and its fine
[17:59] <japro> when i set it to turbo mode mine was fine for regular cpu stuff
[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> How did you stress-test dirty_d ?
[18:00] <dirty_d> Milos|Netbook, playing HD movies
[18:00] <japro> compiling and such, but running a gles program would reboot it after a few seconds
[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> Compiling is probably a better stress-test...
[18:00] <dirty_d> thats all my rpi is for
[18:00] <dirty_d> wireless gateway/media center
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[18:00] <Milos|Netbook> nice
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[18:23] <DomasoFan> hi guys. got my pi last week and wonder if its already a 512 mb ram one. can i find out if i have that kind of board or not? i can't read the numbers on the ram chip cause i can't see.
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> top
[18:24] <DomasoFan> cat /proc/meminfo shows 240 mb but i guess thats cause it was set so in the raspi-config tool
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[18:27] <Lexip> They only just started shipping the 512MB ones this week didn't they?
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[18:28] <Lexip> Actually.. DomasoFan, check http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[18:28] <DomasoFan> seems some people already received some on monday.
[18:29] <LennyLinux> DomasoFan: you can find that out looking the signature on the Samsung chip. There's an article about that on the rpi blog.
[18:29] <Lexip> Seem to have been the first ones delivered on Monday yeah, so if yours was delivered last week I think you're out of luck...
[18:29] <LennyLinux> 3g = 256, 4g = 512
[18:30] <LennyLinux> or something similar.
[18:30] <DomasoFan> LennyLinux: as a blind guy you are doing quite difficult doing that but i guess the chip is still a 256 mb one.
[18:32] <LennyLinux> DomasoFan: sorry, i didn't read all the question. My apologize.
[18:32] <DomasoFan> LennyLinux: hey i get that every day. *smile*
[18:33] <LennyLinux> DomasoFan: after you turn it on you could use the lshw command from terminal. Maybe that's better.
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[18:34] <LennyLinux> DomasoFan: no, there's something i don't get it. How can you write here if you can't see?
[18:35] <DomasoFan> well there is assistive technology around. this what i am using is called a screen reader. this is a pice of software which is installed on my computer. with this i can do pretty everything you can do.
[18:35] <LennyLinux> DomasoFan: oh ok, so you can use that command and read what it writes?
[18:36] <DomasoFan> sure. on the pi there is an ssh server installed and i am using it via ssh on my windows or linux machines
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[18:36] <gazzwi86> hi all
[18:37] <DomasoFan> gazzwi86: hi.
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[18:37] <LennyLinux> DomasoFan: ok, lshw list all the hardware and you're gonna find the ram either.
[18:37] <gazzwi86> first issue I'm running rpi-update and all seems to have frozen, I'm leaving it a while in the hope it fixes but has anyone else had the same issue updating?
[18:37] <nid0> if meminfo shows 240 then that means you are using a 256MB board
[18:38] <jui-feng> gazzwi86, used to happen A LOT for me (virtually every single time). now it somehow stopped freezing. Not sure why.
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[18:38] <DomasoFan> LennyLinux: alright.
[18:38] <gazzwi86> also has anyone got the logic tech c270 working, WITH AUDIO if possible?
[18:38] <OH7FXK> Hehhee! I find old Artec portable DVD player, the interesting thing is: It's screen have only 3 wires :D
[18:39] <gazzwi86> jui-feng: odd. I hope the same is true of mine. What did you update too?
[18:39] <gazzwi86> what os and firmware i mean?
[18:40] <jui-feng> currently I the #174 3.2.27+ kernel (haven't rebooted for some time), but I always update to the latest firmware/kernel ASAP, usually without rebooting
[18:41] <DomasoFan> how to update the firmware and kernel actually? an apt-get update apt-get upgrade doesn't do that i guess
[18:41] <jui-feng> so in case the pi crashes and I'm forced to reboot, I do have the latest firmware and kernel
[18:41] <jui-feng> DomasoFan, apt-get actually does update the kernel as well, if you use the foundation raspbian image
[18:41] <jui-feng> and the firmware too
[18:42] <DomasoFan> ah alright i have the raspbian package from raspberrypi.org yeah.
[18:42] <jui-feng> you can also use a tool called "rpi-update", it will fetch the latest bleeding-edge firmware and kernel
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[18:43] <DomasoFan> jui-feng: thanks for the info.
[18:43] <LennyLinux> How are the timing of shipping in Europe in these days?
[18:43] <jui-feng> DomasoFan, you're welcome. I'm glad you solved the boot problems :)
[18:43] <Kane> hey o/
[18:43] <LennyLinux> o
[18:44] <DomasoFan> jui-feng: currently using a class 4 card instead of the class 10 card. maybe i will once be able to use it. *smile*
[18:45] <jui-feng> DomasoFan, I hope so too. They improved SD card support a lot, I didn't even know there are still problems with class 10 cards. But still much bettern than when the raspi was released.
[18:46] <LennyLinux> A weeks waiting would kill me.
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[18:48] <DomasoFan> jui-feng: had the issues with the 18 september image from the official website. where to get rpi-update? seems not to be available via the package manager and also seems not to be shipped in the sd card image
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[18:49] <atouk> rpi-update is from the hexxeh website
[18:50] <DomasoFan> atouk: ah ok. thx
[18:50] <jui-feng> DomasoFan, https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update this one
[18:51] <atouk> jui beat me to it
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[18:52] <DomasoFan> jui-feng: thx found it as well. *smile*. seems the first thing which comes up on google when you enter rpi-update
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[18:54] <jui-feng> hah okay :) almost everything required for the pi is on github, so when i enter "github" into chrome's address bar, all the raspi links show up for auto completion :D
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[18:55] <steve_rox> anything fun going on?
[18:55] <Peetz0r> Yay, I fixed my C6 :)
[18:56] <Peetz0r> steve_rox: dunno if that's fun :p
[18:56] <steve_rox> i have no idea what that is
[18:56] <dennistlg> nokia c6?
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[18:56] <Peetz0r> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Capacitor_C6
[18:56] <Peetz0r> That's C6
[18:56] <dennistlg> ah
[18:56] <steve_rox> oh a cap
[18:57] <dennistlg> a little
[18:57] <steve_rox> what did you do to it?
[18:57] <Peetz0r> I broke it yesterday
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[18:57] <Peetz0r> and now I ficed it
[18:57] <Peetz0r> fixed*
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[18:58] <steve_rox> :-) yay then
[18:58] <atouk> i did the same thing
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[18:59] <atouk> it makes nice finger rest when plugging in the power cord
[18:59] <steve_rox> im wondering how
[18:59] <steve_rox> oh
[18:59] <steve_rox> i allways gripped the sides of the pcb for that
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[19:00] <LennyLinux> Peetz0r: how did you break it?
[19:00] <Leestons> Yeah, I always hold the sides, or have one finger the opposite side to push against
[19:00] <dennistlg> Peetz0r do you repoaced with smd type?
[19:01] <Peetz0r> LennyLinux: too many newtons coming from my finger
[19:01] <steve_rox> i broke my SD card reader on mine when i dropped it with a card still inside
[19:01] <LennyLinux> Peetz0r: :)
[19:01] <Peetz0r> I didn't replace it, it broke only on one side, and I just fixed that side again
[19:01] <steve_rox> lucky i recovered the small part the plastic and was able to super glue it back on
[19:01] <Leestons> Superglue,,,so useful.
[19:01] <dennistlg> ah ok
[19:02] <steve_rox> it was a very tiny peice of plastic too
[19:02] <Peetz0r> It happened to me when I was trying to remove the Pi from the RS case, not when unplugging the usb cord
[19:02] <steve_rox> i had to put superglue on a pin and use that to apply it
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[19:02] <gazzwi86> could i get the audio from a usb mic on the pi?
[19:03] <gazzwi86> I wouldn't need to play it, I'd like to stream it
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[19:03] <gazzwi86> I have a logitech c270 webcam with mic and watched to stream both audio and video to a server
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[19:07] <Comet> gazzwi86: have you tried it yet?
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[19:10] <gazzwi86> Comet: not yet, I'm waiting for it all to install
[19:11] <gazzwi86> I was wondering if anyone else had got it working or if there are any issues I should know about
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[19:26] <[SLB]> got them working :3 https://plus.google.com/photos/109139109807490312992/albums/5772854742155066721/5800329237192167410
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[19:29] <Comet> [SLB]: that is slick ;D
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[19:29] <[SLB]> thanks :D
[19:30] <jodaro> cool!
[19:30] <[SLB]> later will make it display the temperature and humidity eheh
[19:31] <Comet> looking at stuff like that makes me realize there's a lot more to understand.
[19:31] <Comet> heh
[19:31] <olliea95> Raspberry Pi with ArchLinux installed. Was working fine until yesterday. Applied some updates and no longer boots today. I get "Kernel Panic - not syncing: No init found" etc. I am assuming this has something to do with the transition to systemd. Anyone an Arch expert that can give me some guidance? I have already checked the init= in cmdline.txt and that points to the correct /bin/systemd (a
[19:31] <olliea95> symlink to /usr/lib/systemd/systemd). Not changed anything (except update) to make it stop working. Appreciate your help.
[19:31] <[SLB]> yes :)
[19:31] <[SLB]> sorry i run raspbian
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[19:32] <olliea95> Any ideas though? Apparently running mkinitcpio could fix it, but I cannot chroot into it as I don't have another arm computer...
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[19:33] <Comet> [SLB]: how did you do it man? does the Pi simply detect that little screen as another display and is that a custom script to display that uptime data?
[19:33] <axion> olliea95: that means there is no arch located on the root device specified in cmdline.txt
[19:33] <axion> change root=/dev/sda1 or whatever
[19:34] <olliea95> axion: Okay. The root device is specified as "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2". What could have changed that makes that incorrect?
[19:34] <olliea95> I'll try sda though, although I'm pretty sure the SD card should be mmcblk0...
[19:35] <qrwteyrutiyoup> olliea95, maybe the folks in #archlinux-arm can help you better
[19:35] <[SLB]> i found some source code to make it work and just tried it out, had to udnerstand how to get the backlight work though, the instruction weren't clear and it seems each display can work in a different way ehe
[19:35] <olliea95> Ah, that's probably the channel I'm looking for, thanks, qrwteyutiyoup
[19:36] <qrwteyrutiyoup> you are welcome
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[19:46] <Matt> there we go, well that was straightforward
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[19:47] <Matt> grabbed the raspian image, dumped it out to a USB disk, copied root over to the little 512MB SD card I had floating around, updated the kernel params and fstab to reflect the fact that root was on usb, grew the filesystem on the usb drive to a sensible size, added a swap partition, plugged it all into the pi and it's all quite happy :)
[19:48] <Matt> gets round not having a decent size sd card floating around, given I wasn't actually expecting the pi to show up this week :)
[19:49] <jodaro> heh yeah
[19:49] <jodaro> i ended up poaching an sd from my son's camera when mine first arrived, too
[19:49] <jodaro> it "couldn't wait"
[19:50] <Matt> I'd have to empty one of ours to do that
[19:50] <Matt> they're all full of photos ATM
[19:51] <Matt> whereas the 512 was just laying in a draw, for some inexplicable reason... :)
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[19:51] <Matt> (nothing to do with the fact that it can only hold a handful of raw images from the camera...)
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[20:01] <jodaro> so i'm trying to figure something out here
[20:01] <jodaro> i'm all set on the blinking led stuff
[20:02] <jodaro> (breadboard, adafruit cobbler thinger)
[20:02] <jodaro> now i'm trying to get a little button working
[20:02] <jodaro> well
[20:02] <jodaro> working in a better way that while(true)
[20:03] <jodaro> looking at inotify as an alternative
[20:03] <jodaro> am i heading down the right path?
[20:04] <jodaro> i need fast access to button presses because they'll have special meaning, i.e. one long press, two short presses
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> evening...
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> jodaro, you can use a gpio input as an interrupt trigger.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> easier to use while (true) ... ;-)
[20:11] <jodaro> hmmm
[20:12] <jodaro> yeah
[20:12] <jodaro> i'm already using it via gpio
[20:12] <jodaro> i'm trying to figure out how to not use 95% of the cpu, though
[20:13] <jodaro> (playing with wiringPi, too, as well, so thank you!)
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[20:14] <rikkib> jodaro, ftp://zlham.geek.nz/rpi/
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[20:14] <rikkib> There is a file called gbutd,c
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[20:14] <rikkib> The daemon keeps an eye on a button
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[20:15] <rikkib> It could be modified to detect number of pushes probably
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[20:16] <jodaro> looking ...
[20:17] <rikkib> Also look at wiringPi
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[20:18] <rikkib> Hmmm poor reading. I see you have looked at wiringPi
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[20:18] <rikkib> The daemon uses wiringPi
[20:18] <jodaro> yeah
[20:19] <jodaro> erlang is actually my target language
[20:19] <jodaro> and i've got the gpio stuff working fine
[20:19] <jodaro> i guess i'm just trying to figure out a better-than-while-true-loop way of monitoring the input for activity
[20:19] <jodaro> if possible
[20:20] <jodaro> (and of course C is fine since i should be able to wrap it)
[20:20] <rikkib> The new kernel driver has interrupt of gpio
[20:21] <rikkib> I have no used it however
[20:22] <Mehhh> Can this easily be done to a female HDMI? http://andreiprojects.blogspot.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-modding-atrix-lapdock.html
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> jodaro, Look at the wait for interrupt stuff in wiringPi.
[20:22] <jodaro> ok
[20:23] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Has wiringPi been updated?
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, it's under constant development - I last checked some code in a week ago..
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=summary
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> 2 weeks ago ;-)
[20:24] <rikkib> Are you the author?
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> yes
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[20:24] <rikkib> Ahhh. Fine job. My thanks
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> you're welcome!
[20:25] <rikkib> I am in the process of adding custom stuff into the interface I am creating
[20:26] <rikkib> Of course I use wiringPi and webgpio
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[20:26] <jodaro> aha
[20:26] <rikkib> Now adding stuff like restarting the motion service
[20:26] <jodaro> gordonDrogon: great, thanks
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[20:26] <jodaro> maybe i should just wrap wiringPi altogether
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[20:28] <aaa801> Sooo, i just saw a dam big lightning bolt hit the ground
[20:28] <aaa801> and now my sattelite signal is 7%
[20:28] <aaa801> -.-'
[20:28] <jodaro> yikes
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[20:29] <aaa801> adsl2 is flaky as hell too
[20:29] <aaa801> WHAT THE HELL IS THIS STORM
[20:30] <aaa801> woo sattelite back up :3
[20:30] <rikkib> When I was about 15 we were sheltering under a road culvert when lighting hit the road above. Scared the hell out of us.
[20:30] <Leestons> I'm not surprised it scared you!
[20:30] <Leestons> I think anyone would shit themselves.
[20:31] <aaa801> i love lightning :3
[20:31] <aaa801> and storms
[20:32] <jodaro> wow
[20:32] <[SLB]> hm, in c how do i save in a variable the output of a system command?
[20:32] <jodaro> 512MB Model B already on ebay
[20:32] <rikkib> Big scorch mark on the road
[20:32] <Tachyon`> [SLB], you can redirect the output to a file then access that?
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> <[ popen and friends
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], explain more?
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> you need to open it and get passed the file descriptors to stdin and out
[20:33] <[SLB]> thanks i could too, popen seems more appropriate :)
[20:33] <eix> compiled again kernel with gcc 4.7, still same hangup
[20:33] <eix> somebody wants to try boot this image?
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> yes, use popen - it's a great big hack of a wrapper, but it works rather well.
[20:34] <[SLB]> in particular i want to store in a variable the output of a shell command, like to read the temperature
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[20:34] <[SLB]> thanks
[20:34] <eix> [SLB]: in bash?
[20:34] <[SLB]> c
[20:34] <jodaro> huh
[20:35] <jodaro> some random guy just walked by my office and whispered "very unsettling" to himself
[20:35] <Tachyon`> if you're trying to access GPIO
[20:35] <Tachyon`> you should be able to do that directly in C
[20:35] <[SLB]> nop just random system commands like uptime and such
[20:36] <[SLB]> will be displayed on a lcd
[20:36] <IT_Sean> jodaro, clearly, they were talking about you.
[20:36] <[SLB]> seems popen looks good
[20:36] <jodaro> [SLB]: you can call sysinfo()
[20:37] <jodaro> for uptime and stuff
[20:37] <[SLB]> ah oks
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[20:37] <[SLB]> im also going to read the output of a dht sensor
[20:37] <jodaro> possibly better way than shelling out and parsing
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> what's a dht?
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> d humidity & temp... D?
[20:39] <eix> midnightyell: compiling with 4.7 lead to exactly same result..it's really puzzling
[20:39] <[SLB]> yes hm not sure what D stands for but it's the usual temp/humid white sensor
[20:40] <[SLB]> only measures temp and humidity
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> ah those. they have a weird 1-wire protocol thingy.
[20:40] <jodaro> "dynamic", maybe
[20:40] <[SLB]> ah eheh
[20:40] <jodaro> "dude"
[20:40] <[SLB]> lol
[20:40] <jodaro> Dude, like Humidity and Temperature
[20:41] <eix> my modules and kernel: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwrgqxxfd8qek1v/3.2.27viscen%2B.7z and https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4fwj3o1rgcezc5/kernel.img
[20:42] <jodaro> IT_Sean: i know, they must have been talking about me. now i'm freaking out.
[20:43] <rikkib> digital humidity temperature
[20:43] <eix> gordonDrogon: actually 1-wire are more expensive, I've been looking for a cheap one
[20:43] <IT_Sean> jodaro, remain calm, and do exactly as i say...
[20:44] <IT_Sean> hide under your desk for EXACTLY 4.3 minutes, then make your way to the nearest fire exit.
[20:44] <IT_Sean> Open it, and leave the building.
[20:44] <IT_Sean> DO NOT take your car... they are watching it.
[20:44] <IT_Sean> Get on the first bus you see, and stay on it for exactly 8 stops. No more. No less.
[20:44] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-PCS-LOT-DHT11-Digital-Temperature-and-Humidity-Sensor-DHT-11-Humidity-Temperature-Probe-090344/520007575.html
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> I've actually got one of those somewhere. might connect it up one day...
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> yea, mine is whilte.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> white.
[20:46] <rikkib> I was thinking of adding one to my STM32V boards
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[20:46] <jodaro> IT_Sean: ok, i'm under my desk. should i bring my laptop?
[20:47] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
[20:47] <IT_Sean> No
[20:47] <IT_Sean> leave the laptop
[20:47] <jodaro> but
[20:47] <jodaro> its mine
[20:47] <IT_Sean> It is surely equipped with a tracking device
[20:47] <jodaro> damn!
[20:47] <IT_Sean> also leave your phone
[20:47] <IT_Sean> do not take anything except for your wallet.
[20:47] <IT_Sean> Alright... go now. to the nearest fire exit!!!
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[20:47] <IT_Sean> NOW!
[20:48] <jodaro> i decided to stay and take my chances
[20:49] <jodaro> if i leave now i'll miss my sparkfun delivery
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[20:49] <IT_Sean> Don't say i didn;t warn you
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[20:52] <jodaro> maybe they'll spare my kneecaps and just fire me
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[20:53] <eix> jodaro: just go out with a cup of coffee and find that guy, then throw it /accidentally/ over him and punch him
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[20:53] <eix> jodaro: that will work for sure
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[20:54] <IT_Sean> They will be expecting that
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[20:55] <eix> I hope jodaro didn't already have some deja-vu
[20:57] <c_k> maybe he was simply referring to his light case of ebola he contracted earlier in the morning
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[20:58] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, You may be interested in the web stuff I am working on. Very early days but the framework is on my ftp site ftp://zlham.geek.nz/rpi/www
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[21:00] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Basically an interface to deal with two gates/camera's/control
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[21:06] <eix> there are some ARM errata in kernel configuration, does anybody know if they should be enabled?
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[21:13] <Mehhh> Does anyone know how easy this is to do to a female HDMI? http://andreiprojects.blogspot.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-modding-atrix-lapdock.html
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[21:15] <Mehhh> Is that beige part built into the connector from a cable?
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[21:22] <Hexxeh> Mehhh: i did that to my lapdock
[21:22] <Hexxeh> soldering HDMI connectors is pretty difficult
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[21:25] <Mehhh> WAIT
[21:25] <Mehhh> wait
[21:25] <Mehhh> wait
[21:25] <Mehhh> YOU have done this
[21:26] <Mehhh> Is the beige part A.) under the grey wrapping, B.) in the head of an hdmi cable / top C.) different and needs to be purchased sep?
[21:26] <Mehhh> I need to make a female one
[21:27] <IT_Sean> D) Underneath a duck.
[21:27] <Mehhh> O_o
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[21:31] <IT_Sean> ... ?
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[21:32] <IT_Sean> whadda want Hodapp?
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[21:33] <Mehhh> Hexxeh: ?
[21:33] <Hexxeh> yes
[21:33] <Mehhh> Did you need that middle part for yours
[21:33] <Mehhh> and is doing female the same
[21:33] <Mehhh> and do you have pics
[21:33] <Hexxeh> it's in some wrapping
[21:33] <Hexxeh> you can peel it off with a knife
[21:34] <Hexxeh> i just tore apart a HDMI cable for the male conncetor
[21:34] <Hexxeh> and soldered that on
[21:34] <Hexxeh> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-8zIiSq_0TpTlFhcFFvYjZkSmc
[21:35] <Mehhh> omg i love you
[21:35] <Mehhh> so it connects, what holds it? do i need that beige thing he shows?
[21:35] <Mehhh> and female would be the same pins, reversed?
[21:35] <Hexxeh> you can find the pinouts online
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[21:36] <Hexxeh> the device is so light it just sits on the HDMI connector
[21:36] <Mehhh> cool cool
[21:36] <Hexxeh> i did mine in july, i use it almost every day, it's still holding up
[21:36] <Hexxeh> i did fill some of the plastic with hot glue though
[21:36] <Mehhh> i'm putting mine in a box going inside of it
[21:36] <Hexxeh> just to make it a bit more secure
[21:36] <Mehhh> which is why i ask
[21:36] <Mehhh> dremelled out all available space
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[21:36] <Mehhh> relocated speaker wire
[21:36] <rymate1234> wait
[21:37] <home> Hexxeh: OMG you are Hexxeh
[21:37] <rymate1234> how do you use the Pu as a lapdock?
[21:37] <rymate1234> *Pi
[21:37] <rymate1234> So... little.... ram
[21:37] <Hexxeh> 512MB is reasonable
[21:37] <rymate1234> and no Xorg acceleration
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[21:37] <home> 512mb ram soon
[21:37] <Mehhh> Rymate, BodhiLinux
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[21:37] <Mehhh> is fine on that
[21:37] <Hexxeh> i had a box of 512MB Pi arrive today
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[21:37] <home> r x accelewration is in work, supposedly
[21:37] <Hexxeh> also X accel, heh, questionable :P
[21:37] <Mehhh> E17 is fine for 512mb
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[21:37] <home> Hexxeh: how?
[21:37] <Hexxeh> there's some work going on regarding that
[21:37] <Mehhh> plug and play
[21:37] <rymate1234> I might buy a 512MB pi
[21:38] <Hexxeh> i've seen some really cool demos
[21:38] <Mehhh> www.bodhilinux.com , it's done
[21:38] <Hexxeh> i'm testing out some new stuff on my berrybook at the moment
[21:38] <Mehhh> Berrybook?
[21:38] <Hexxeh> that's what i call it :V
[21:38] <manitou> are new pi's 512 ? or ?
[21:38] <rymate1234> manitou, yes
[21:38] <Datalink> Mehhh, he stuffed a Pi in a laptop.
[21:38] <Mehhh> ah
[21:38] <Mehhh> What kind?
[21:38] <rymate1234> a lapdock
[21:38] <Hexxeh> Motorola Lapdock
[21:39] <rymate1234> the kind you get with phones
[21:39] <Hexxeh> i've also modded a tiny wifi adaptor in there
[21:39] <Mehhh> i know, i have one
[21:39] <Mehhh> it won't fit inside
[21:39] <Datalink> close enough
[21:39] <Mehhh> which is why i cut out for the box
[21:39] <Hexxeh> i get about 6/7 hours battery life
[21:39] <rymate1234> I'm thinking of making my own portable Pi
[21:39] <rymate1234> I have a 7 Inch screen
[21:39] <manitou> im waiting for one pi , is it chance to be 512 mb ?
[21:39] <rymate1234> only requires 10 AA batteries!
[21:39] <Mehhh> I wish the NintendoDS would fit it
[21:39] <Mehhh> with KB
[21:40] <Hexxeh> if you remove some of the connectors
[21:40] <Hexxeh> you can fit it into pretty tight spaces
[21:40] <rymate1234> I wish I had enough technical know-how to mod my Pi
[21:40] <Mehhh> Hexxeh, but there isn't enough width
[21:40] <Hexxeh> i've got a dead PSP here that's getting a berry filling soon
[21:40] <Mehhh> even with dremelling all of the lapdock out
[21:40] <Mehhh> and relocating the speaker wire
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[21:41] <rymate1234> I have an old desktop
[21:41] <rymate1234> should I put my Pi in it?
[21:41] <Mehhh> Hexxeh, what is holding your HDMI and lapdock HDMI together besides solder?
[21:41] <home> Bodhi is nice
[21:41] <Hexxeh> Mehhh: glue
[21:41] <Hexxeh> if you removed the composite, analogue audio, usb and ethernet ports
[21:41] <Hexxeh> you can fit a Pi inside an old PSP case
[21:41] <rymate1234> glue ftw
[21:41] <Mehhh> That is cool
[21:41] <[diecast]> i can honestly say i've not bought solder in over a decade. is 2oz enough for a handful of small projects or do i need a 1/2lb
[21:41] <Hexxeh> just need to figure out how to connect up the display
[21:42] <home> Hexxeh: Give me some screenies, or pics, it didn't happen
[21:42] <Mehhh> He did
[21:42] <Hexxeh> home: of what?
[21:42] <Mehhh> ...
[21:42] <Hexxeh> my dock?
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[21:42] <Mehhh> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-8zIiSq_0TpTlFhcFFvYjZkSmc/edit?pli=1
[21:42] <Hexxeh> http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117867
[21:42] <home> Hexxeh: Yeah, I want your dock
[21:42] <dirty_d> do any of you guys run on vm.overcommit_memory=2?
[21:42] <rymate1234> this is a stupid idea, but could you wire the screen to the gpio pins?
[21:42] <home> rymate1234: yes
[21:42] <Hexxeh> rymate1234: no
[21:42] <dirty_d> on rpi or otherwise
[21:42] <home> you can
[21:43] <Hexxeh> not a PSP display you couldn't...
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[21:43] <home> PSP Display = rev engineering to max
[21:43] <home> I should sell my brother's PSP's
[21:43] <home> and buy some raspberry pi stuff
[21:43] <home> good plan? Or what?
[21:43] <home> I want a lapdock
[21:44] <Mehhh> Good luck
[21:44] <Mehhh> slickdealers are buying most
[21:44] <Mehhh> get one now
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[21:44] <home> Mehhh: what?
[21:44] <Mehhh> slickdeals.net
[21:44] <Mehhh> are buying them all up
[21:44] * cpg|away is now known as cpg
[21:44] <Mehhh> to resell for 75-100
[21:44] <Mehhh> for the base model
[21:45] <home> For PSP
[21:45] <home> I got two :D
[21:46] <Mehhh> Hexxeh, is your HDMI stock length and
[21:46] <Mehhh> did you cut below the "box"
[21:46] <Mehhh> on the connector
[21:46] <Hexxeh> what'd you mean?
[21:46] <Mehhh> there is a ahhh
[21:46] <Hexxeh> i cut out some of the plastic suports
[21:46] <Hexxeh> *supports
[21:46] <Mehhh> a box that is the middle area
[21:46] <Hexxeh> to make more space for the additional power cable
[21:46] <Mehhh> You wouldn't happen to have any pics would you? :D
[21:46] <Hexxeh> uh somewhere
[21:46] <Hexxeh> let me see
[21:47] <Mehhh> I'm about to do this in T minus 5 minutes ;)
[21:47] <Mehhh> since you just saved my life
[21:47] <Mehhh> (no-one makes a male mini to female micro sd in this country USA)
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[21:47] <Mehhh> hdmi*
[21:48] <Hexxeh> http://cl.ly/KDy8
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[21:49] <Mehhh> That is where i am do far
[21:49] <Mehhh> so*
[21:50] <Mehhh> prob going to dremel out more
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[21:51] <djpohly> anyone here well acquainted with power troubleshooting? i've got a pi that tends to overvolt a bit on all of the adapters i've tried.
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[21:51] <Leestons> exit
[21:51] <Leestons> fail :P
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[21:52] <djpohly> ::facepalm::
[21:52] <djpohly> but i have (now) successfully run it from my desktop's usb port :D
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[21:53] <rymate1234> o.o
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[21:54] <djpohly> which is great, although that's not the use case i'm hoping for. so do i just keep trying other adapters, or is there potentially a problem since it's an overvolt?
[21:54] <Mehhh> Hexxeh, but i moved the speaker wire from normal->zigzag->behind the screw posts
[21:55] <des2> djpohly what's the voltage at tp1 and tp2 ?
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[21:58] <djpohly> des2: powered from the desktop 5V, the laptop 5.1ish... from the adapters it's around 5.5V
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[21:58] <des2> Shouldn't really exceed 5.25.
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[21:58] <djpohly> right. which is why i'm concerned.
[21:59] <lee> hello all. I've checked a couple of FAQs and don't see an answer in them - is there an accelerated X driver yet that's suitable for day to day use?
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[22:00] <des2> lee it is 'being worked on' afaik
[22:00] <lee> des2: that's been the case since release
[22:00] <djpohly> if you release the raspberry pi from an airplane, the x driver will accelerate at approximately 9.8 m/s^2
[22:00] <djpohly> for a little while :)
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[22:01] <djpohly> (not recommended)
[22:01] <des2> lee I think Liz dropped a hint that there should be one in the not too distant future
[22:01] <rymate1234> yay
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[22:01] <Leestons> Haha I thought you were talking to me then (my name is Lee)
[22:01] <des2> djpohly what adapters ?
[22:01] <lee> people in here tend to have the most relevant information so I thought I'd ask
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[22:01] <rymate1234> "only avaliable for 512mb pi"
[22:02] <djpohly> One is a motorola 850mA adapter, and the other is a white no-brand 1A. There was a third adapter, but that one was even worse.
[22:02] <Draylor> lol
[22:03] <djpohly> the motorola, according to my advisor, was "recommended."
[22:03] <Draylor> no need to worry things will only work with 512mb, unless you are a java lover
[22:03] <Draylor> in which case you have other issues ;)
[22:03] <lee> I saw the 512MB announcement and ordered one on Monday with Farnell, just had dispatch confirmation a couple of hours ago, not bad considering the original estimate was w/c 5th november
[22:05] <home> Okay guys
[22:05] <home> I need a lapdoc :D
[22:06] <home> the 512mb thing is great
[22:06] <home> now if only
[22:06] <mhz> my 512 shipped too
[22:06] <mhz> :)
[22:06] <home> it had more processing too :/
[22:06] <home> I want to buy another one, but no money.
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[22:06] <home> hmm
[22:07] <Mehhh> Hexxeh was abducted by aliens :(
[22:08] <djpohly> so if i'm getting 5.5V across the testpoints, do i need to look into getting the board fixed/replaced?
[22:08] <rymate1234> I'd like to know
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> djpohly, I'd look at your PSU first.
[22:08] <rymate1234> Why was there no accelerated X on launch?
[22:08] <des2> I think you have to investigate the adapters.
[22:08] <Datalink> djpohly, that sounds like the PSU
[22:09] <des2> The board is just passing the 5v from the connectors.
[22:09] <Datalink> rymate1234, Broadcom provides cheap chips and no support
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, because no-one wrote one - and now it's 6 months later and still no-one has written one. Would you have liked to have waited another 6 months?
[22:09] <djpohly> ok, so keep trying adapters then. got it.
[22:09] <djpohly> now that i know how to test, i can see if places will let me try before i buy.
[22:09] <des2> btw, did you try a different voltmeter ?
[22:09] <Datalink> djpohly, I would also check the supplies with meters as well, to try and find one that's issuing the right voltage
[22:09] <aaa801> whats the ma output on that djpohly
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> djpohly, 5.5v is unlikely to danage anything though.
[22:10] <rymate1234> gordonDrogon, not really
[22:10] <des2> Cause most people end up wit voltage < 5 volt you seem to be always over 5 v
[22:10] <rymate1234> XD
[22:10] <djpohly> no, just the multimeter that i have. but odd behavior happens when i'm over.
[22:10] <djpohly> network card drops out after a couple minutes.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> if you have 5.5 over the testpoints, then try the 3.3v output on the gpio to check your meter, but be very careful as it can short to the 5v...
[22:10] <des2> I'd want a second voltmeter opinion
[22:10] <aaa801> i acidently left my voltmeter on all night
[22:10] <djpohly> whereas powered from the computer that registers 5V, it worked long enough to sysupgrade over ssh
[22:10] <aaa801> now its dead :(
[22:11] <djpohly> aaa801: adapters have beet 850mA or 1A
[22:11] <djpohly> *been
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, new battery time ...
[22:11] <aaa801> odd
[22:11] <aaa801> that should be fine
[22:11] <aaa801> =/
[22:11] <djpohly> yeah, that's what i thought too :)
[22:11] <djpohly> maybe fourth time lucky?
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[22:11] <aaa801> im going to be feeding 3a to my pi :p
[22:11] <des2> good
[22:11] <aaa801> might just remove the polyfuses
[22:12] <aaa801> with 3a its more then enouth to power usb
[22:12] <aaa801> lol
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[22:12] <Datalink> aaa801, you're going to be the basis for my Pi'd Piper's power supply, though I'm going to be working on tolerances...
[22:12] <Datalink> aaa801, also there's been one writeup on using wires to go around those fuses
[22:12] <Datalink> you will ened to add a jumper along the power bus to handle it though, the trace's too thin
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[22:13] <BillyBag2> Hi boys and girls.
[22:13] <Datalink> http://hackaday.com/2012/09/04/problems-powering-raspberry-pi-from-gpio-header/ - this is actually directly related to my work
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[22:14] <BillyBag2> Can I force a fsck at boot?
[22:15] <djpohly> every boot?
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[22:15] <kkombarji> So I'm trying to setup my Pi, but can't get through the initial boot sequence. I get to the config screen, but the Pi will not take any keyboard input from me. I have now tried two different, RaspberryPi approved keyboards. Any ideas?
[22:16] <des2> "I added '/usr/bin/touch /forcefsck' to /etc/rc.local so that the Pi always does a forced fsck of the root filesystem on each boot."
[22:16] <Datalink> kkombarji, directly to the Pi or through a hub with the keyboards? do they light up (nulock or capslock, indicating function)
[22:16] <rymate1234> kkombarji, does the Pi have enough power?
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[22:16] <djpohly> you could probably tune2fs -c 1 /dev/sdcardwhatever
[22:16] <djpohly> "fsck every 1 mount"
[22:17] <Datalink> if you just want to force it once use $ sudo touch /forcefsck
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[22:17] <kkombarji> Sorry, kind of a noob here. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying
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[22:17] <Datalink> kkombarji, when you hit capslock, or numlock, do the LEDs on the keyboard light up?
[22:18] <Datalink> aka, is the keyboard actually getting recognized...
[22:18] <kkombarji> No
[22:18] <Datalink> kkombarji, is the keyboard plugged directly into the Pi?
[22:18] <kkombarji> Yes.
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[22:18] <Datalink> kkombarji, what's your power supply rating... the pi needs 700ma or more
[22:19] <kkombarji> I'm using an iPhone charger. It's rated at 1A
[22:19] <Datalink> okay, that should be sufficient
[22:19] <BillyBag2> Cool, you have answered the question I wanted to ask.
[22:19] <des2> real or fake iphone charger
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> des2, does that work? rc.local is run right at the end of the boot sequence..
[22:20] <djpohly> it'd work after the first time :)
[22:20] <kkombarji> Real.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> des2, it probably sets it for the next time though ...
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[22:20] <kkombarji> I tried a few different ones I had laying around too.
[22:20] <des2> I don't know Gordon, that's what someone said worked for them.
[22:21] <Datalink> hm, kkombarji to be honest, I'm not sure, tempted to ask you to run the power check, but I don't know if you have a voltmeter
[22:21] <kkombarji> That's what I'm thinking too. Unfortunately I don't have one handy.
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[22:22] <Datalink> kkombarji, it's just the display, keyboard and power on the pi, no accessories that could be starving it, right?
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[22:22] <kkombarji> and the SD card obviously
[22:22] <kkombarji> It's 16GB class 10. Could that be too much for it?
[22:23] <Datalink> not in the way that'd cause the problem you're reporting (keyboard unrecognized)
[22:23] <Datalink> what model keyboards have you tried?
[22:23] <home> how do you tell what class?
[22:24] <Datalink> home, most are labeled with a small circle with a number in it
[22:24] <kkombarji> Dell 1H2FY
[22:24] <home> mine says 4
[22:24] <home> what does that mean?
[22:24] <_OskaR_ghost> Datalink thanx for your mysql help last night. - mysql now works. ( i just have to figure the GRANTS : ))
[22:24] <kkombarji> home that means it's class 4
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[22:24] <home> is that bad
[22:24] <home> or good?
[22:24] <home> it 16 gb
[22:24] <Datalink> home, it's a datarate measure, I use class 4 typically
[22:24] <home> midnightyell: yo :D
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[22:25] * Datalink lets the SD SIG itself explain: https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/speed_class/
[22:25] <kkombarji> Datalink, do you have any other suggestions?
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[22:25] <rikkib> I have transcend 16gb and 8gb class 10
[22:26] <eix> so, will anybody help me at troubleshooting this nasty kernel compilation problem?
[22:26] <rikkib> One died on me
[22:26] <eix> I need volounteers for testing the kernel.img :)
[22:26] <rikkib> bad blocks in first clusters
[22:26] <Datalink> kkombarji, aside from testing with a meter, not really, check with both USB ports and then get a cheap meter I guess... I wish I had better suggestions but the keyboard's simple enough to not be a factor
[22:27] <kkombarji> Datalink, I know I'm stumped. I've had this Pi since August and have yet to get it up and running (despite the fact that I just started trying to work on it two weeks ago lol). It sucks.
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[22:28] <kkombarji> Datalink, so if the multimeter test shows me that I'm running low on power, what do I do? Should I just opt for a bigger power supply or is there another fix?
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[22:29] <home> eix: me
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[22:29] <Datalink> kkombarji, it'd take troubleshooting the board for faults, then possibly RoHS SMD soldering if it's a bad part
[22:29] <eix> home: great :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwrgqxxfd8qek1v/3.2.27viscen%2B.7z and https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4fwj3o1rgcezc5/kernel.img
[22:30] <kkombarji> I thought so. Thanks for your help Datalink
[22:30] <Datalink> kkombarji, one option would be to SSH into the device and work with it that way, different keyboards maybe
[22:30] <BillyBag2> kkombarji, along shot would to be change the power cable.
[22:30] <eix> home: the 1st is modules archive (to put in /lib/modules) and the latter the kernel.img for /boot
[22:30] <eix> s/put/extract
[22:30] <Datalink> it's also possible the keyboard or USB port is just dirty
[22:30] <Datalink> bad connection, no power to keyboard, unless it's exibited this with multiple keyboards
[22:30] <kkombarji> They're both clean as whistles
[22:31] <home> eix: put it into my existing rpi image?
[22:31] <kkombarji> And my keyboard works fine on other computers.
[22:31] <eix> home: yes. but take copy of your kernel.img first
[22:31] <BillyBag2> ("sudo touch /forcefsck" worked a treat, Ta)
[22:31] <kkombarji> How do I ssh into it from my mac without knowing any of it's network information?
[22:31] <[diecast]> wow thats crazy... the 512 boards are soldout already
[22:31] <Datalink> kkombarji, is the Pi otherwise usable, can you ssh into it and interact with a remote shell?
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[22:32] <Datalink> .... do you know your way around your router's web interface? they usually have an 'attached devices' tab which'd show what's on the network
[22:32] <atouk> other computers don't have the limited power on usb that the pi dows. just because it works "there", doesn't mean it will work "here"
[22:32] <BillyBag2> is the ip address shown before login prompt?
[22:32] <Datalink> there's also that sorry
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[22:32] <Datalink> I have to AFK a few, be back in 5-10 minutes, laundry
[22:32] <kkombarji> I have it plugged into my mac via an ethernet cable. Will that not work?
[22:33] <jodaro> blargh mountain lion
[22:33] <des2> kkombarji you look in your router and see what IP it gave the PI
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[22:33] <des2> kkombarji did you use a straight or a crossover cable ?
[22:34] <kkombarji> straight, but OSX switches the pins as needed to setup crossovers
[22:34] <BillyBag2> kkombarji is the ip address shown just before the login prompt ? 192.160.xxx.yyy ?
[22:34] <kkombarji> let me check
[22:34] <Datalink> des2, that hasn't been an issue since 10baset networks, anything newer than 2000 is typically autosense and doesn't need crossover
[22:34] <Datalink> Pi and Mac would both fall into the category
[22:35] <kkombarji> Nope, no ip address shown
[22:35] <BillyBag2> kkombarji also is the 10M (or 100 for rev 2) LED on?
[22:35] <des2> From your keyboard to gods ears Datalink....
[22:35] <kkombarji> BillyBag2, no it's not
[22:35] <BillyBag2> Is there a login prompt?
[22:36] <kkombarji> Yes, but it disappears after a few seconds and proceeds to the config screen
[22:37] <BillyBag2> And bashing the up down left right cursor keys does nothin?
[22:37] <eix> home: any luck?
[22:38] <kkombarji> Nothing at all, except for maybe frustrating me lol
[22:38] <home> eix: can't test it now
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[22:39] <eix> home: k
[22:39] <BillyBag2> Your network cable goes from the pi to a hub/router?
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[22:43] <BillyBag2> Does anyone know if I should get 8x the message "bmc ALSA chip created" during boot?
[22:44] <eix> BillyBag2: not sure about 8x, but more than 1x for sure
[22:44] <Datalink> BillyBag2, I get more than one too
[22:45] <Datalink> kkombarji, you may need to enable dhcp host for the ethernet port, unless you can move the pi to the router
[22:45] <kkombarji> I just moved it, but it's not showing up in the log
[22:45] <BillyBag2> I get one that says "card created" and the 8X "chip created"?
[22:46] <aaa801> Datalink: im working on a portable pi :D
[22:46] <BillyBag2> kkombarji, I think the first thing is getting the 10M LED on, without that nothing else will work.
[22:47] <kkombarji> Ya it's not on. How do I get that to work?
[22:48] <BillyBag2> Have you boot with it connected to a hub/router? Are you using a standard Cat5 cable, not a twisted one to go between two computers?
[22:48] <Datalink> kkombarji, get it on a network with a DHCP server
[22:49] <kkombarji> It's now plugged directly into a router using a standard Cat5e ethernet cable.
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[22:49] <Datalink> kkombarji, does the router have an 'attached devices' page? it should show up there
[22:50] <kkombarji> Yes it does. I see my mac, my printer, my phone, my TV, but not my PI
[22:51] <Datalink> kkombarji, hm, did you reboot after moving it onto the network...
[22:51] <Datalink> this pi is starting to sound like it may have a dead USB/ethernet hub...
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[22:51] <kkombarji> Yes I did
[22:52] <Datalink> kkombarji, is there any physical damage to the smaller of the two chips, crack in the casing, pin not seated, etc?
[22:52] <des2> usb ethernet pi problems are usually due to power supply issues.
[22:52] <kkombarji> Datalink, it looks flawless.
[22:53] <kkombarji> des2, but I'm using 1A which is more than enough
[22:53] <Datalink> kkombarji, everything along the power chain's in good condition, fresh cable, decent supply, known good outlet? right?
[22:54] <kkombarji> Yup
[22:54] <BillyBag2> kkombardji, which lights are on on the pi?
[22:54] <kkombarji> The power light obviously, and the Ok light flickers when I power cycle it
[22:55] <BillyBag2> What state does it end up in?
[22:55] <[SLB]> done with the sensor :) http://goo.gl/ZcExa
[22:55] <kkombarji> It ends up at the config screen, unresponsive to a keyboard, with only the Power light on.
[22:56] <BillyBag2> Do you mind trying with no keyboard?
[22:57] <kkombarji> I did, the same thing happens
[22:58] <TheSeven> aaa801: oh, portable pi?
[22:58] <TheSeven> powered how? :)
[22:58] <kkombarji> TheSeven, are you talking to me?
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[22:59] <TheSeven> <aaa801> Datalink: im working on a portable pi :D
[22:59] <TheSeven> but I'm interested in any such project
[22:59] <_OskaR_ghost> solar powered or :) ?
[23:00] <BillyBag2> Ok kkombarji, I'm not sure if the OK light should be on? It kind of has a mind of its own. Someone else may know.
[23:00] <Datalink> TheSeven, aaa801's the one to ask then... I'm taking an interest casue I'm working on an MP3 player concept for the Pi.
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[23:00] <kkombarji> BillyBag2, the Ok light eventually turns off after a few seconds
[23:01] <Datalink> [SLB], you make me want to get my SPI display working more now...
[23:01] <BillyBag2> OK so you get to the final screen with it on or flickering, after a while it then goes out.
[23:02] <kkombarji> Yes exactly
[23:02] <linuxstb> Datalink: What kind of mp3 player? The Pi doesn't seem ideal for that...
[23:02] <home> guyd
[23:02] <home> guyd
[23:02] <home> guys
[23:03] <aaa801> TheSeven: im using a cctv camera battery pack 12v li-po 6800mah
[23:03] <home> I need a minimal raspberry pi build image
[23:03] <home> that has python and g++
[23:03] <aaa801> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250919245956?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[23:03] <Datalink> linuxstb, my plan was to hook a stuff up to the GPIO header, and make a 'pi plate' of sorts
[23:03] <PhonicUK> My 512MB Pi has arrived :D
[23:03] <aaa801> TheSeven: and a ubec to drop down to 5v for the pi
[23:03] <home> PhonicUK: nice
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[23:03] <aaa801> TheSeven: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280963026967?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[23:03] <[SLB]> eheh Datalink :)
[23:04] <Datalink> I'm basically making an expansion board
[23:04] <Datalink> which annoys me because they moved some pins around for the rev 2
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[23:04] <PhonicUK> fits very nicely in the same cases as the original (to be expected of course)
[23:04] <PhonicUK> few cosmetic differences
[23:04] <des2> The 'ok' LED on earlier pis is really mislabled. It indicates SD card access
[23:04] <home> pics PhonicUK or it didnt happen
[23:04] <PhonicUK> home, http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/11ndjm/my_512mb_pi_arrived/
[23:04] <TheSeven> aaa801: ok, so the stepdown variant :)
[23:05] <aaa801> TheSeven: ye, im going to be powering a 12v lcd with it too
[23:05] <aaa801> prob get a few hours max life
[23:05] <aaa801> im not sure if these batterys can be daisy chained or not
[23:05] <PhonicUK> *batteries
[23:05] <des2> On Version 2 PIs they've changed it to 'act' for 'activity'
[23:05] <aaa801> L<
[23:05] <aaa801> :<
[23:05] <kkombarji> des2, ya my Pi is an early one. I got it in June. I was just out of the country working on a project till now so I've only just started trying to play with it.
[23:06] <Mehhh> So wait, can say the lapdocks battery be daisy chained to two solar panel battery packs
[23:06] <PhonicUK> I'm looking forward to ICS on my Pi
[23:06] <aaa801> ReggieUK: PhonicUK corrected me, im sad now
[23:06] <aaa801> PhonicUK: you checked out gingerbread yet?
[23:06] <PhonicUK> aaa801, not ye
[23:06] <PhonicUK> *yet
[23:06] <aaa801> Why not
[23:06] <BillyBag2> Sorry, kkomarji, I'm stuck. The ideas are getting sillier now. Have you got write protect on? What happens if you boot with the keyboard plugged in a shit key held down?
[23:06] <PhonicUK> aaa801, because GB would be ugly on a 40" display
[23:06] <aaa801> Its not too bad
[23:06] <aaa801> http://rosefire.us/~razdroid/aaa801/Gingerbread+EthernetManager.7z
[23:06] <BillyBag2> SHIFT!!!! I meant SHIFT!!!!
[23:07] <Datalink> kkombarji, I'd also wonder if you're running with a current image
[23:07] <jodaro> never forget to hold down the shit key
[23:07] <TheSeven> aaa801: wow, that battery is really cheap for its capacity
[23:07] <TheSeven> raw li-ion cells are more expensive :P
[23:07] <PhonicUK> aaa801, what'll be nice is using my gyro mouse with ICS when plugged into my TV
[23:07] <aaa801> Ye but im not sure how much its true capacity is
[23:07] <Datalink> BillyBag2, considering the behavior it's giving him, I think the original suggestion was descriptive...
[23:07] <aaa801> its from china by looks of it
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[23:08] * eix is successfully compiling with distcc. and having a ball
[23:08] <TheSeven> aaa801: it definitely is, i've seen it on DX
[23:09] <aaa801> Got to get a hobby box to lob all the stuff in
[23:09] <home> eix: I want to try distcc, should I follow this? http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/a-good-compromise-cross-compiling-with-distcc/
[23:09] <aaa801> a lcd, the pi,
[23:09] <aaa801> the battery
[23:09] <aaa801> and a snes controller
[23:09] <aaa801> :p
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[23:09] <eix> home: yes. and I can also support you, as I found a good amount of weird errors myself during last month
[23:10] <BillyBag2> The In-the-shift key boots without turbo mode. I forget if this is enabled as standard. This could be taking all the power.
[23:10] <eix> home: but you will have no problems if you follow that correctly
[23:10] <home> eix: Got any clean images?
[23:10] <home> I need to have a clean image :D
[23:10] <home> with low memory usage :/
[23:11] <home> tty's disabled, dropbox,etc
[23:11] <home> I mean dropbear
[23:11] <kkombarji> You should also know that when I connected it to my router and checked my router log, not only does the log not show an assigned IP for the Pi, but my router doesn't even recognize that anything is plugged into the port.
[23:11] <eix> home: why not the default release?
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[23:11] <home> eix: I need the memory for vision processing stuff
[23:11] <home> it needs to be fast
[23:11] <home> turbo would be nice :D
[23:11] <eix> home: ok, but use a low memory for video and disable unneeded stuff
[23:12] <home> meh
[23:12] <des2> kkombarji do you have another power supply you can try ?
[23:12] <kkombarji> Yes, but it's also rated at 1A
[23:12] <des2> Try a different suply
[23:12] <BillyBag2> kkombarji, Um? That would be what I would expect with the 10M LED out on pi. Have you also tried a different cat cable?
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[23:13] <eix> home: it's little customization on any standard image, you don't need a special one
[23:13] <home> I found a 5V power supply rated a 2.5A
[23:13] <home> eix: The thing is
[23:13] <TheSeven> aaa801: http://www.goodluckbuy.com/dc-12v-6800mah-cctv-super-rechargeable-li-ion-battery-new-t-1268a.html?&currency=jpy
[23:13] <home> eix: I compiled a kernel and made an img, using ltib
[23:13] <home> eix: but I get kernel panics xD
[23:13] <Mehhh> good luck buy = buy and good luck getting it?
[23:13] <eix> home: welcome aboard..I have similar problems
[23:13] <aaa801> TheSeven: thats the exact one :P
[23:14] <eix> and I compiled natively 10+ times, always same result
[23:14] <home> yeah
[23:14] <home> I am worried now also :/
[23:14] <TheSeven> for $25
[23:14] <aaa801> 2173.91 Chinese yuan = 215.1769 British pounds sterling
[23:14] <aaa801> wut
[23:14] <home> DC 12V 6800mah CCTV Super Rechargeable Li-ion Battery T-1268A 2000 dollar
[23:14] <home> wtf?
[23:14] <TheSeven> no, that's japanese yen
[23:14] <home> serioiusly?
[23:14] <home> og fuck
[23:14] <home> I am stupid
[23:15] <aaa801> stupid japanese and chinese using same symbol
[23:15] <home> sorry for language
[23:15] <home> hope no kids read that
[23:15] <kkombarji> Different power supply didn't work :(
[23:15] <megatog615> i would say the same thing if that were 2000 dollars
[23:15] <aaa801> ye the price seems to be roughly the same on ebay TheSeven
[23:15] <home> I learned something important, do not ASUME
[23:15] <home> ASSUME
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[23:16] <TheSeven> aaa801: and hopefully less trouble with customs if the info on ebay is correct
[23:16] <aaa801> TheSeven: they have uk stock
[23:16] <TheSeven> they claim to
[23:16] <TheSeven> doesn't mean they don't send it directly from china
[23:16] <aaa801> tbh i think they ship to the uk and then resend
[23:17] <asaru> aaa801: making a gameboy?
[23:17] <TheSeven> I've had that happen several times in the past
[23:17] <aaa801> asuru: possibly :)
[23:17] <asaru> how are your emulators running?
[23:17] <TheSeven> if they ship directly they offload the VAT to you
[23:17] <aaa801> Im prob going to use retropi
[23:17] <asaru> ah you havent tried yet
[23:17] <aaa801> not yet
[23:17] <asaru> i have been trying retropie for a while
[23:17] <asaru> i've also tried retroarch manually compiled
[23:17] <aaa801> last time i ran a gba emulator on the pi it ran fine
[23:17] <asaru> cant seem to get stability
[23:17] <aaa801> bit slow
[23:17] <aaa801> but that was without hardfloat
[23:18] <eix> if compiling with distcc also leads to a hanging-up kernel, can I conclude the raspberry pi git kernel is broken?
[23:18] <asaru> i have snes and psx running but they crash
[23:18] <kkombarji> BillyBag2, des2, do we think it's a power issue now?
[23:18] <TheSeven> aaa801: tell me once you get that battery, I'm really curious how well it works :)
[23:18] <aaa801> I have the battery
[23:18] <aaa801> just havnt got it all hooked up yet
[23:18] <aaa801> + i need to pickup a soldering iron and some cable
[23:19] <asaru> i've got all the hardware setup and working fine
[23:19] <asaru> just the emulators are giving me problems
[23:19] <asaru> pi + speakers + 4.5" screen running off 1 12v psu
[23:19] <asaru> gamecon-gpio running 2 snes / 2 psx controllers
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[23:20] <asaru> just cant get the emulators working well enough
[23:20] <asaru> also, a lot of snes games drop out my second controller at weird times
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[23:20] <asaru> assuming they run for more than ten minutes
[23:21] <uabn93> hello. What is the recommended partition type for an 8gb sd card? fat32 or ext4?
[23:22] <TheSeven> uabn93: depends on the purpose
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[23:22] <TheSeven> for a rootfs go for ext4 by all means
[23:22] <Mehhh> I do EXT4 without journaling
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[23:23] <asaru> anyways, good luck aaa801, let me know how it works out when you get retropie installed
[23:24] <des2> Power supply issues are the #1 RPI issue
[23:24] <des2> So try all the supplies you have.
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[23:25] <des2> If you have a voltmeter measure voltage at TP1 and TP2
[23:25] <uabn93> i have the debian iso. What advantages does ext have over fat32?
[23:26] <Mehhh> Everything
[23:26] <Mehhh> Besides Xbox compatibility
[23:26] <Mehhh> lol
[23:27] <uabn93> ok. i was just hesitant as i dont usually work with solid state cards
[23:28] <uabn93> ext4 it is. Thanks everyone.
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[23:30] <BCMM> uabn93: ext vs. fat for what?
[23:30] <BCMM> really depends on what you are using it for
[23:31] <BCMM> FAT32 is widely-supported; ext4 doesn't suck
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[23:32] <BCMM> the most serious limitation of FAT32 is the low file-size limit
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[23:34] <uabn93> BCMM; I'll be using it for general web usage, then ill test its multimedia and nas capabilities.
[23:35] <BCMM> uabn93: the card is for your root fs?
[23:35] <uabn93> and of course, development once i gain more experience
[23:35] <uabn93> yes
[23:35] <BCMM> i'm not aware of a pi distro that supports an FAT root partition
[23:35] <BCMM> (it lacks Unix permission support)
[23:36] <BCMM> usually, there is a small fat32 partition used to boot the device (because that's what the SoC supports), then the rest is some sort of Linux FS, typically ext4
[23:37] <BCMM> but i have only used images; not performed a manual install on the sd card
[23:38] <uabn93> ah well i've just finished partitioning to ext4 through gparted. im in the setup process
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[23:41] <BillyBag2> Which C thread API should I use on Pi ?
[23:42] <BillyBag2> pthread?
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> BillyBag2, posix threads.
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> there really isn't anything else.
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[23:43] <BillyBag2> Posix == pthread ?
[23:44] <axion> support nptl
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[23:44] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> if you've not used them, before, I have some ver simple examples in the softwarePwm drivers in wiringPi.
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> although there are plenty of examples online though.
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[23:51] <null0x00> Hi all - anyone sucessfully got a gertboard functioning yet? I think I've messed up somewhere along the line :S
[23:52] <des2> What did you do ?
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[23:52] <des2> And how could you mess up - it's just plug it in.
[23:53] <des2> Also which PI versio do you have 1 or 2 (with switched GPIO pins)
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[23:53] <null0x00> Everything is soldered in fine, no bridges that I can see, and the voltage checked out OK (3.3V between J7 and gnd), so I installed the jumper. Now when powering on my Pi and booting arch, I can't get *anything* out of it with the gertboard test apps
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[23:54] <null0x00> @des2 good question - it was a very early Model B, so I assume version 1?
[23:54] <des2> yeah.
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[23:55] <des2> ok so your PI still works but the test apps just don't produce results.
[23:55] <null0x00> correct
[23:55] <null0x00> Gertboard does nothing
[23:55] <null0x00> I don;t even get any LEDs
[23:56] <des2> OK I had forgotten the gertboard was a kit.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> did you jumper the pins to the led buffers?
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> I have one in-front of me...
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> you need the 3 sets of 4 jumpers on the bottom of the 3 buffer chips
[23:57] <null0x00> That would be a 'no'
[23:57] <null0x00> which would explain a lot
[23:57] <null0x00> d'oh!
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> then you need some flying leads from the GPIOs to the Bx pins.
[23:57] <des2> flying leads ?
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> jumper leads - whatever.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> female to female.
[23:58] <des2> (ah never heard that term before)
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> gertboard uses 2-pin jumper links and jumper leads.
[23:59] <BillyBag2> does usleep() yeald OK when using pthread ?
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> yes.

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