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IRC Log for 2012-10-18

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> should really use nanosleep these days thought.
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> however I'm off for bedsleep () ;
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> g'night..
[0:01] <des2> Goodnight.
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[0:13] <null0x00> so now that I've hooked up things correctly (I think!) I'm still at a bit of a loss. I've hooked up GPIO pins 0,1,4,7,8 and 9 up to buf 1 through 6 and run the gertboard test app, which should (according to the source code) 'walk' the LEDs up and down. The first two LEDs seem to work, but the rest are either stuck on or off :S
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[0:16] <des2> ok progress.
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[0:17] <des2> so the source code is right cause you downloaded it, agree ?
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[0:18] <des2> Do you have a multimeter ?
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[0:21] <null0x00> @des2 yep, source is freshly downloaded and compiled, and yes, I have a multimeter
[0:22] <des2> Is the gertboard schematic online ?
[0:22] <null0x00> @des2 also, the pushbuttons seem to work :)
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[0:22] <des2> excellent.
[0:22] <null0x00> @des2: http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1642649.pdf it's an appendix on there
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[0:24] <des2> So the ones connected to buf 1 and 2 work but 3 4 5 6 don't.
[0:24] <null0x00> correct
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[0:26] <des2> nice manual.
[0:26] <null0x00> LEDs1 and 2 behave as expected, 3 and 6 never light and 4 and 5 are always on
[0:26] <des2> Really did a good job with the wirking diagrams.
[0:26] <des2> wiring
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[0:28] <des2> You are running the test program LEDs ?
[0:28] <null0x00> yes
[0:29] <des2> cause you don't seem to be following the wiring in Fig 13
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[0:30] <des2> Fig 13 has nothing on GPIO 0, 1, 4.
[0:31] <des2> Do you see Fig 13 in the manual ?
[0:31] <null0x00> now i do :P
[0:31] <null0x00> let me try that
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[0:35] <des2> Don't forget the b1, b2... b12 jumpers
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[0:37] <null0x00> @des2 tht's looking a lot better now - though farnell helpfully didn't put enough jump cables in...
[0:37] <des2> heh
[0:39] <null0x00> just to keep things interesting, though, now LEDs 1 & 2 remain on at all times.. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bdNxDIVimjTmWFnS4gyzc5Pzk_P7UsI30d1_qjYn0Vk?feat=directlink
[0:39] <null0x00> maybe I should just stick to software :D
[0:41] <null0x00> oh, unless I press one of the pushbuttons (though all the jumpers are in place...)
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[0:42] <des2> Farnell supplies the jumper cable ?
[0:43] <null0x00> yeah - got 10 pre-made in a pack
[0:43] <des2> so they are individual cables for connecting single pins ?
[0:43] <null0x00> yes
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[0:44] <des2> Do you know how to use pastebin or similar ?
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[0:44] <null0x00> yes
[0:44] <des2> ok copy led.c to led2.c
[0:45] <des2> and pastebin led2.c
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[0:46] <null0x00> http://pastebin.com/GNBM9RnU
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[0:47] <des2> ok he calls them L0 to L5
[0:48] <des2> Do you know C ?
[0:48] <null0x00> I'm a C# dev my trade, so I'll get by :P
[0:48] <null0x00> *by
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[0:48] <des2> So when you run this program the first 2 leds always stay on but the other ones go on and off ?
[0:49] <null0x00> correct, apart from 6, which I think I'll need to resolder (as I've not seen it light up yet!)
[0:49] <des2> ok
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[0:50] <des2> Is there a ground pin on the board ?
[0:50] <null0x00> yes
[0:51] <des2> Can you take the wire that goes to gp25 and connect it to a ground pin ?
[0:51] <des2> so remove the wire at GP25 and move it to a pin that is ground.
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[0:52] <null0x00> done
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[0:52] <null0x00> led1 flashed a little, now it's off
[0:52] <des2> did the LED change to off ?
[0:52] <des2> ok good.
[0:52] <des2> So that implies that that is working.
[0:52] <des2> put it back on gp25
[0:53] <des2> do the same thing with gp24
[0:53] <null0x00> back on 25, still off
[0:53] <des2> still off, hmmm...
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[0:54] <null0x00> the really odd thing is that the LEDs flash as you get *near* certain pins on the board
[0:55] <des2> take the wire off gp25 and connect it to a 3.3v point on the board.
[0:55] <des2> see if the led turns on again.
[0:56] <null0x00> not sure which pin is 3.3v
[0:57] <des2> ah there's 3.3 right at bottom front but you have no pins on it.
[0:58] <null0x00> you know what, I'm going to bail out tonoght and look at this fresh tomorrow - it;s almost midnight and I have a job to go to :P
[0:58] <des2> ok.
[0:58] <null0x00> thanks for your help :)
[0:58] <des2> yw.
[0:58] <null0x00> I might even get 'electronics for total n00bs' :P
[0:58] <des2> heh
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[1:41] <asaru> died in here eh
[1:42] <atouk> bedtime for all the kiddies
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[1:43] <atouk> odd. rpi did a firmware update, but it's the same version # as I had and dated yesterday
[1:43] <Mehhh> Naw, dealing with the fact that i'm doing to have to solder a female HDMI connector
[1:43] <Mehhh> going*
[1:44] <Mehhh> think i found an adapter i can rip it from for 1.85 shipped though
[1:44] <atouk> be gentle. it might be her first time
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[1:45] <Mehhh> It's ok, it's from 'Jersey not China
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[1:45] <atouk> you gotta' problem whit' joisey?
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[1:46] <traviscline> I'm trying to run the arch release in qemu and I'm booting via something like: qemu-system-arm -kernel kernel-qemu -cpu arm1176 -m 256 -M versatilepb -no-reboot -serial stdio -append "root=/dev/sda2 panic=10 console=ttyAMA0" -hda archlinux-hf-2012-09-18.img but then my /dev/mmcblk0p1 device never shows up (and systemd complains) any thoughts?
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[1:47] <lee> atouk: probably not that jersey
[1:47] <atouk> Increase emmc clock to 100MHz to help with sdcard corruption when overclocked. aaah update, but not not firmware
[1:48] <atouk> good. because I'm in THAT jersey, and we don't put up with that kind of stuff around here...
[1:49] <atouk> they also snuck in the elf files for the 512 boards
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[1:50] <traviscline> hmm get this in with the raspian image as well: Mounting local filesystems...mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist, that's a lead at least
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[1:52] <atouk> no qemu here. can't help
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[1:57] <TheSeven> ok, so ethernet finally drops out at 2.9V battery voltage
[1:58] <TheSeven> that's almost a perfect cutoff threshold for li-ion :)
[1:58] <TheSeven> now the pi just needs to be able to measure the voltage and initiate shutdown when it drops below 3.00V
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[2:00] <atouk> there's a voltage monitoring chip for battery power i saw somewhere that will signal on a low voltage. wire that to a gpio pin and that should do it
[2:00] <atouk> let me see if i can find it
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[2:02] <daniel-s> hi
[2:02] <daniel-s> would I be able to connect an external 2.5'' hard drive to a raspberry pi?
[2:03] <daniel-s> (this does not have a separate power cable that connects to the wall)
[2:03] <jaxdahl> can i use any GPIO pin as 3V3 supply (up to 16mA) or ground?
[2:03] <des2> Sure, THrough a USB adapter.
[2:03] <des2> Yes you can use the 3.3v gpio pin.
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[2:05] <des2> Do you know how much power the 2.5" drive uses ?
[2:05] <jaxdahl> i'm looking at the I2C lines, and i see "1K8 pull up resistor", what's the 8 mean? 1008 ohms?
[2:05] <atouk> 1.8K
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[2:06] <atouk> http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheets/400/351208_DS.pdf
[2:06] <atouk> low voltage detectors
[2:07] <des2> They put the symbol in the middle to substitute for a period.
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[2:07] <des2> So 1k8 = 1.8K. 3v3 = 3.3v
[2:08] <atouk> very good
[2:08] <jaxdahl> now i need to find my SD card..
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[2:08] <atouk> des, you get smarter every day...
[2:09] <atouk> BTW, what happened to des1?
[2:09] <des2> It was not entirely successful.
[2:09] <atouk> clones are such a hit and miss business
[2:10] <home> des2: thanks!
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[2:35] <austinbv> Hey everyone I am looking for a place to buy a raspberrypi in the USA can anyone name local distributers or online companies that are well priced and fast?
[2:36] <des2> no one has it in stock at the moment.
[2:36] <austinbv> sad face I wanted to use one at rubyconf for a talk
[2:36] <atouk> keep checking newark site
[2:36] <home> too bad
[2:37] <des2> The release of the 512MB has resulted in a flood of orders.
[2:37] <austinbv> Ah
[2:37] <atouk> they're fast at shipping in stock stuff
[2:37] <austinbv> there is the B version on amazon for double the price
[2:37] <des2> there is only the B version.
[2:37] <des2> Model B
[2:38] <des2> Model A hasn't been released yet.
[2:38] <austinbv> ah
[2:38] <des2> But they just started shipping B's with 512MB.
[2:38] <austinbv> this guy http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-RASPBRRY-MODB-512M-Model-B/dp/B008XVAUPI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350520699&sr=8-1&keywords=raspberry+pi
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[2:38] <atouk> anyone here have a 512?
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[2:39] <des2> That $75 list price is BS
[2:39] <des2> The list price is $35.
[2:40] <austinbv> Yeah that's what I thought too
[2:41] <austinbv> I will just use my macmini durring the talk
[2:41] <austinbv> pi would have been sweet though
[2:42] <des2> Maybe there's a rentapi service...
[2:42] <des2> When is the talk ?
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[2:44] <asaru> you can rent my pi for 10 dollars a day
[2:44] <asaru> but its been slightly modified
[2:47] <markbook> me boggles at the Briggs and Stratton on top.
[2:47] <markbook> ;-)
[2:48] <atouk> asaru is japanese for tim taylor
[2:48] <asaru> lol
[2:49] <asaru> i gave it moar power!
[2:49] <asaru> no, just wired some jumper wires up to c6
[2:49] <asaru> so i could power it from breadboard
[2:49] <atouk> anyone here running a 512?
[2:49] <markbook> I would love to see the smoke shots from some of the under careful overclockers.
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[2:57] <des2> google 'baked pi'
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[3:21] <Mehhh> Does no-one use a heatsink?
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[3:23] <lunra> Got my 512 today :D
[3:23] <home> lunra: congrats, glad you are happy :D
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[3:24] <burek> is there any toolchain for debian 64bit to cross compile ffmpeg for raspberry pi
[3:24] <burek> for raspbian, more precisely
[3:25] <burek> btw, hi to all :)
[3:27] <atouk> lunra, is it running now?
[3:27] <lunra> Yet to power it up though, at school :<.
[3:27] <atouk> k
[3:27] <lunra> I'll pick up a fresh new SD card and try out RISCOS this afternoon though :)
[3:28] <atouk> need someone with a 512 to paste back the result of cat /proc/cmdline
[3:29] <lunra> sec, friend has his running right now
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[3:32] <lunra> /proc/cmdline:
[3:32] <lunra> dma.dmachans=0x7f35 bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=656 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=416 bcm2708.boardrev=0x5 bcm2708.serial=0xaddce24a smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:DC:E2:4A dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[3:32] <lunra> (using composite out)
[3:33] <atouk> no vc_mem.mem_base of vc_mem.mem_size?
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[3:34] <atouk> might need a firmware update for those
[3:35] <Reedy> Hah. Cambridge uni are calling themselves generous for providing cs Freshers with a pi. ??30 hardware to go with ??9k yearly tuition fees? yeah.... really generous
[3:36] <atouk> plus the foundation is more tham making back that cost
[3:36] <lunra> Yeaah. Only 256MB is recognised (via top). It's definitely the 512MB revision though, it has a blue audio connector
[3:36] <lunra> Less than 256MB is shown but I presume that's because some RAM is going to the GPU
[3:36] <atouk> firmware update today for the 512
[3:37] <Reedy> there's a blog post telling how to confirm which ram chip it is..
[3:38] <atouk> same version number as the one for the other day, but they snuck in the memory splits for the 512, and a clock change to help with sd card corruption
[3:38] <Reedy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2191
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[3:45] <des2> You would think all University Freshmen already have a laptop.
[3:45] <des2> Maybe they should make them buy one with a parallel printer port.
[3:46] <Gumby> good evening all. does anyone know if there are pre-built off the shelf raspberry pi+case+memory+power kits out there. Specifically in North America and preferably in Canada ?
[3:46] <des2> Yes there are.
[3:47] <Gumby> I'm looking to source something for a client of mine and they don't want to have to build them each time.
[3:47] <Gumby> des2: do you happen to know a URL or a name of such a system that I can google?
[3:47] <des2> I believe both Farnell and RS and their sub divisions offered such a thing.
[3:47] <atouk> www.newark.com
[3:47] <des2> Let's look...
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[3:49] <Gumby> atouk: newark will assemble it all for you (not that it requires a lot of assembly, but a requirement is that "no assembly is needed")?
[3:49] <des2> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/RASPBERRY-PI-/83-14346
[3:50] <des2> Raspberry Pi Basic Bundle with Case, Power Supply and SD Card "No O/S"
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[3:50] <Gumby> des2: that looks close to perfect
[3:51] <des2> Raspberry Pi Enhanced Bundle with Case, Power Supply, O/S and KB/MS
[3:52] <des2> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14276&green=A9635185-9B60-538D-9A3F-946E4B01484E&utm_campaign=MyBuys&utm_medium=Recommendation&utm_source=prod&utm_term=83-14276
[3:52] <Gumby> how readily available are raspberry pi parts? this is something that I'll need to purchase at a moments notice. any issues with backorders etc in the past?
[3:52] <atouk> parts easy, pi's on backorder
[3:52] <des2> They just released the 512MB and pis are backordered again
[3:52] <atouk> the switch to 512 meg created another bump indemand
[3:52] <Gumby> hrm, unfortunately that is no good
[3:53] <des2> But you see they have the kits in stock.
[3:53] <Gumby> although, 512mb is probably not necessary
[3:53] <Gumby> all I'll need it for is to play mp3s
[3:53] <des2> Well they 512 replaced th 256 and that's all they're making now.
[3:53] <Gumby> I see
[3:54] <Gumby> so anytime there is a bump in their product they tend to not have product
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[3:54] <Gumby> that is unfortunate
[3:54] <des2> They're making about 4,000/day
[3:55] <DMackey> I'll wait again to get a 512mb like I did on the 256mb after the rush.
[3:55] <Gumby> Understood, but its on my shoulders if I recommend something to a client and then they can't get it :)
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[3:56] <des2> Well the kits of all parts will probably be more available because few people are willing to pay $60 for everything.
[3:56] <Gumby> the price point was perfect though
[3:56] <DMackey> Yeah that could look bad for you...
[3:56] <Gumby> is there anything out there similar to the raspberry pi?
[3:56] <Gumby> I have a $100 budget. lol
[3:56] <atouk> what's your timeframe?
[3:56] <DMackey> Not that I'm aware of... not for $25 anyways
[3:56] <linuxstb> Gumby: Just tell them the availability situation. It's their choice.
[3:57] <Gumby> linuxstb: yes, true. I can say right now based on previous "out of stock" situations that it would be a problem
[3:57] <linuxstb> Gumby: What do you/they want to do? If you want to play mp3s, mp3/media players can be easily bought for less than $100
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[3:58] <Gumby> linuxstb: we want something that can call home or we can connect remotely to that can play mp3s.
[3:58] <atouk> you can always hit the scalpers on ebay for a few to show, and then grab the rest when they are back in stock
[3:59] <Gumby> atouk: timeframe is unknown at the moment. But generally if they need to sell the service they'll be providing the quicker they can get the product the better. I'd say 1-2 weeks is acceptable. Anything more may be pushing it
[3:59] <atouk> qty?
[3:59] <Gumby> 15 to start
[3:59] <linuxstb> Gumby: I haven't tried it myself, but people have also criticised the (analogue) audio quality on the Pis.
[4:00] <home> Gumby: :*(
[4:00] <atouk> "phone home" implies that he really doesn't need hi-fi quality
[4:01] <Gumby> linuxstb: it probably doesnt need to be great quality. It is a weird project and I do not yet know the finer details but they'll be using the first 15 to put into some dentist offices that have a phone system that when a caller is put on hold it plays music via an audio input.
[4:01] <des2> ah
[4:01] <Gumby> the raspberry pi will be the media source
[4:02] <Gumby> so, phone level quality is all that is needed
[4:02] <Gumby> we well ftp or create scripts to call home to download/update media as per the customers requirements
[4:02] <Gumby> s/well/we'll/
[4:02] <Gumby> will
[4:02] <Gumby> bah, you get it
[4:03] <atouk> combination pbx/fileserver
[4:03] <linuxstb> Not even PBX IIUC.
[4:03] <Gumby> right now they have a boombox as the media source
[4:03] <Gumby> hehe
[4:03] <linuxstb> Just playing a playlist of mp3s on a loop.
[4:03] <Gumby> yup
[4:03] <linuxstb> Or whatever..
[4:03] <Gumby> I'll just use mplayer
[4:03] <linuxstb> mpg123 would be lighter.
[4:04] <linuxstb> But we digress? If you can't buy them, they're not an option.
[4:04] <atouk> music on hild with mp3's or recorded commercials/announcements?
[4:05] <Gumby> atouk: as far as I know it is just music. though what is being played is irrelevant. announcements may not work as there will not be any type of trigger for them to start
[4:05] <Gumby> it will just always be playing and might be odd coming into an advert half way through
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[4:10] <Gumby> any eta on when the 512mb model will be back in stock?
[4:11] <des2> November.
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[4:13] <Gumby> hrm, maybe an option to order 15 off of ebay and then to order 10-20 once they are in stock elsewhere
[4:13] <Gumby> is the target price still $35?
[4:14] <des2> Yes they will be $35 .
[4:15] <Gumby> thanks for the info guys. I appreciate it
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[4:27] <atouk> updated the status page to display mem size and splits, but need a 512 to test on
[4:28] <Opinie> hey, I'm about to try turbo mode an would like to ask something real quick..
[4:28] <atouk> k
[4:28] <Opinie> do I have to use any other oveclocking settings beside turbo mode to get it to work?
[4:29] <atouk> use raspi-config to set it
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[4:29] <atouk> it sets voltages and clock to "safe" values for each speed
[4:31] <Opinie> oh right
[4:31] <Opinie> I was about to go stab files around
[4:31] <atouk> too much a chance of letting the smoke out doing it that way
[4:34] <Opinie> turbo mode won't kick in immediately, will it? if it does, I should probably remove the over clocking I've already configured in config.txt, right?
[4:34] <Opinie> *options
[4:35] <atouk> overclock starts at next reboot
[4:35] <Opinie> ok
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[4:36] <Opinie> where is the turbo mode option?
[4:36] <Opinie> in raspi-config
[4:36] <atouk> have you updated the firmware since you made the sd image?
[4:36] <Opinie> yeah sure
[4:37] <Opinie> I think the last time I updated it was the day before yesterday
[4:37] <atouk> under memory split
[4:37] <atouk> overclock
[4:37] <atouk> under = beneath
[4:38] <Opinie> err, did I just tell you a lie? I don't have that option
[4:38] <atouk> apt-get doesn't update firmware
[4:38] <Opinie> I used rpi-update
[4:39] <Opinie> oh wait
[4:39] <Opinie> now I see it
[4:39] <Opinie> yeah, sorry I'm blind
[4:40] <Opinie> so turning on the turbo mode from here would be like setting force_turbo=0?
[4:40] <atouk> force_turbo is different
[4:40] <Opinie> that is to say enable dynamic clocks
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[4:41] <Opinie> oh ok
[4:41] <Opinie> sorry, I usually try to read up on these things before coming here, but now I was just too tired yet curious to see how this would work
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[4:43] <Opinie> atouk: well, I went with turbo and rebooted.. now to see, whether this turns my raspberry into a blackberry...
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[4:46] <atouk> i ran it for a week with no problems at turbo
[4:46] <Opinie> then problems emerged?
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[4:47] <atouk> moved my rootfs to a usb stick, and would get intermittant lockups, so i took it down two notches
[4:47] <Opinie> ok
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[4:47] <atouk> might be an issue with the thumbdrive and not the pi, but everyone is happy at modest
[4:48] <atouk> (mediun)
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[4:56] <Opinie> anyone happen to know, which text editing program might run decently well on the pi?
[4:56] <atouk> nano
[4:56] <atouk> pico
[4:56] <Mehhh> leafpad
[4:57] <Opinie> um, I was hoping something Wordy
[4:57] <Mehhh> AbiWord?
[4:57] <Opinie> quite a bit of latency when typing
[4:57] <Mehhh> Siag Office?
[4:58] <atouk> wonde if there is an electric pencil port
[4:58] <Mehhh> lolol
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[5:03] <DMackey> vi
[5:03] <Opinie> ok, thanks
[5:04] <DMackey> I do all my editing at the command line...
[5:04] <Opinie> you're my hero
[5:04] <Flasking23> on one of those command lines
[5:06] <Opinie> so turbo mode really doesn't reduce a pi's life expectancy?
[5:07] <des2> nah
[5:07] <Tachyon`> well, it does, but not ina way that really matters
[5:07] <Opinie> what determines whether it does or doesn't?
[5:07] <des2> You'll still break some other part of it first.
[5:08] <Tachyon`> the difference is very small, particularly with the newer kernels which I believe overclock only when needed
[5:08] <DMackey> I bumped my Pi up to 800mhz, not much but...
[5:09] <Opinie> DMackey: I bumped it to 900
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[5:09] <DMackey> Does it get real warm?
[5:09] <Opinie> nah
[5:09] <DMackey> I have heatsinks on the two chips
[5:10] <DMackey> Maybe I'll kick it up a smidge more then..
[5:10] <Opinie> I have it in a plastic case and it only got maybe like 2 degrees warmer
[5:10] <DMackey> Cool, nothing serious then.
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[5:10] <Opinie> then again this is the first time I've overclocked anything, so yeah
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[5:10] <axion> i run 500-1000 dynamic cpu stable for over 30 days
[5:10] <Opinie> I'm maybe not the best source to rely on
[5:11] <DMackey> I have a 2nd 256mb Pi on the way so if I toast it, I won't cry over it heh
[5:11] <Opinie> thought I'd order another one as well
[5:11] <DMackey> I did get on the Element14 waiting list for the 512mb Pi
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[5:11] <atouk> same here on the newark list
[5:12] <DMackey> Yup.
[5:12] <DMackey> a man must have his toyz ya know lol
[5:12] <Opinie> even considered buying a pi for all of my younger nephews, but my brother (their father) seemed to think they should be mobile instead of desktop-like
[5:13] <Opinie> *Pis
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[5:13] <DMackey> Get them going while they are young... My kids could care less about any of my GEEK hobbies, BRATS!!
[5:14] <Opinie> mm, their first language isn't english though, so it'd perhaps be a little iffy
[5:14] <atouk> once electronics wen't into little black boxes with 50 leads on them, the magic went away
[5:14] <DMackey> Thats why iot's out job to bust open those black boxes.
[5:15] <Flasking23> let all the smoke out
[5:15] <DMackey> Nooooo!
[5:16] <DMackey> thought it happens from time to time..
[5:16] <Opinie> can anyone figure out, why I still get 700000 when I run cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq even though I now have the turbo mode on and that was the figure I got already when it was turned off
[5:16] <des2> That's why you need to connect the PI to an external tube-based audio amplifier.
[5:16] <atouk> power cycle?
[5:17] <DMackey> Mmmm tubes, nothing sounds as good as tubes IMO
[5:17] <Opinie> atouk: err.. meaning?
[5:18] <des2> Remove power
[5:18] <atouk> unplug/replug
[5:18] <des2> Reconnect power
[5:18] <rikkib> I have one tube... It does 500W +
[5:18] <Opinie> ok
[5:18] <atouk> radios (esp. ham) should glow
[5:18] * rikkib = ham
[5:18] <atouk> <-- n2vfl
[5:19] * Flasking23 <---kf7ljh
[5:19] <Tachyon`> hrm, 6 character callsigns now?
[5:19] <des2> Or at least get some nixie tubes.
[5:19] <Flasking23> yeah, I'm a no code
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[5:19] <Opinie> oh oh, almost morning..
[5:20] <rikkib> zl1upb
[5:20] <DMackey> I have a Heathkit HW-101 Tube transceiver.
[5:20] <Opinie> you guys playing with ham radios?
[5:20] <rikkib> Heathkit SB1000
[5:20] <des2> I had an HW-16 once.
[5:21] <Opinie> I've never even seen one
[5:21] <rikkib> TS2000
[5:21] <DMackey> Mine needs work, I don't know sheet about vintage radios
[5:21] <atouk> i have to yardsale in the spring. all the old coots die in the winter, and then the wives sell their stuff when it gets warm
[5:21] <rikkib> Thunderbird
[5:21] <des2> Vintage Radios = replace electrolytics and paper caps.
[5:21] <Opinie> atouk: lol
[5:21] <des2> And selenium rectifiers.
[5:21] <Flasking23> No boat anchors here, maybe someday. K3 right now
[5:22] <DMackey> I have to many hobbies, Bought my first house 4 years ago and STILL no antennas up.. shame on ME!
[5:22] <DMackey> des2, I heard that about old radios
[5:22] <atouk> well, as soon as the wife goes out long enough for you to get one up, i'm sure she will let you keep it
[5:22] <DMackey> The main HF radio I own is a Yeasu 757GX-II with matching antenna tunes and PSU.
[5:23] <rikkib> Lots of US on 10 lately
[5:23] <DMackey> Nothing to do with the wife, she is ok with it.
[5:23] <Flasking23> I made like 25 10-10 contacts in the last few days
[5:23] <ladoga> Opinie what about scalind_max_freq
[5:23] <ladoga> scaling, sorry
[5:23] <Opinie> ladoga: do I just type that into terminal?
[5:24] <ladoga> no
[5:24] <DMackey> <--- n2dvm
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[5:24] <DMackey> 5 word a minute General
[5:25] <atouk> tin ear. never could get the hang of code
[5:25] <rikkib> No morse. Everyone gets a general license here in NZ with a simplified system
[5:26] <DMackey> I passed it %100 on CODE and written questions. I was surprised.
[5:26] <DMackey> I learned listening to it at 20wpm at 5 wpm code spacing
[5:26] <Opinie> ladoga: 1000000
[5:26] <Opinie> that's what I got with scaling_max_freq
[5:27] <rikkib> Now 1KW pep and up from the 500w we were allowed before
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[5:28] <rikkib> And I am working on a regional basis to deal with council bylaws limiting antenna height
[5:28] <Flasking23> that must be fun
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[5:28] <ladoga> current freq dependends on cpu load at time
[5:29] <rikkib> Most of the ground work was dome by NZART taking three councils to court. We won to a large extent
[5:29] <DMackey> Time to look for a small 7 to 9" cheap LCD monitor for my Pi so I can bring it here to work with me and play...
[5:29] <atouk> Opinie, have you got apache/php installed?
[5:29] <rikkib> My web site has links and a resource page
[5:29] <rikkib> zlham.geek.nz
[5:29] <DMackey> rikkib, what is your site addy?
[5:29] <ladoga> max freq shows the overclock (limit where it scales when under load)
[5:29] <Opinie> atouk: nope, would you recommend it?
[5:29] <rikkib> projects page for the resource page
[5:30] <rikkib> zlham.geek.nz
[5:30] <DMackey> tnx, looking..
[5:30] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=31
[5:30] <atouk> i was going to suggest you grap my status page code for your pi
[5:31] <des2> Yeah grab his code it's great.
[5:31] <atouk> http://69.118.23.127:8000
[5:31] <lyptusi> could someone refer me to links of a cheap (<130$) lcd monitor (7-10") for the pi?
[5:31] <atouk> updated it again, des
[5:31] <DMackey> Ooo look, shiney robots objects on the right side of the page...
[5:32] <Opinie> atouk: woo, I need one of these things
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[5:32] <atouk> add mem size, splits, usb info...
[5:33] <Opinie> k
[5:33] <atouk> (added)
[5:34] <DMackey> atouk, nice page there..
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[5:35] <atouk> i go back and tweak it if i think of something else that should be on it
[5:35] <rikkib> me2 nice page
[5:35] <atouk> link at bottom for source
[5:35] <DMackey> Nice, I wouldn't mind doing that also, nice and clean, easy on the eyes
[5:36] <DMackey> I'll add that to my RPi Bookmarks and get to it when I get home from work tonight.
[5:36] <atouk> read the readme. a couple things to do other than just apache/php
[5:36] <rikkib> dns hosts ifconfig (interfaces)
[5:37] <des2> lyptusi those that use RCA (analog video) inputs are pretty cheap.
[5:37] <ladoga> Opinie: so you have yours clocked to 1GHz (default is 700MHz)
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[5:37] <des2> But they don't have great resolution.
[5:37] <des2> What are you using the LCD for ?
[5:37] <Opinie> ladoga: well, I have the turbo mode on
[5:37] <lyptusi> in car computer display
[5:37] <lyptusi> mount it on the dash somehow
[5:38] <rikkib> video recording
[5:38] <rikkib> evidence gatherer
[5:38] <Opinie> ladoga: but, yes, I do believe you're right
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[5:41] <des2> lyptusi: http://dx.com/p/8-tft-lcd-car-reverse-rear-view-color-monitor-w-vga-bnc-cable-black-149114?item=35
[5:43] <lyptusi> des2: i would like it to be touch screen, are the panels at http://www.chalk-elec.com any good. its just they are a little pricey
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[5:45] <atouk> https://www.google.com/shopping/product/5230197818210324315?hl=en&sugexp=les%3Beesh&tok=uNgnW_iC8MClgCzr2vXhzA&cp=19&gs_id=1l&xhr=t&q=touch%20screen%20panels&safe=off&bpcl=35440803&um=1&ie=UTF-8&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=2bb5397ebef42a7a&biw=999&bih=502&tch=3&ech=1&psi=D3t_UKPiKcSegwev64DQAw.1350531852812.1&wrapid=tlif135053185281210&sa=X&ei=Jnt_UP3iCvCM0QH01YCACA&ved=0CI8BEPMCMAM
[5:45] <atouk> damn, those urls get looooong
[5:45] <des2> That looks rather nice lyptusi : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llC-gVw1wBs
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[5:46] <Opinie> atouk: would it be possible to have a bunch of those and form out of them a big display?
[5:46] <Tachyon`> that DX screen isn't really suitable fo rthe pi
[5:47] <Opinie> kind of like having them in a grid
[5:47] <Tachyon`> as it has only VGA and Composite inputs
[5:47] <Tachyon`> (yes, we have composite but you do not want to use it at 800x600 (or any other resolution really))
[5:48] <des2> Yes the cheap composite screens aren't the best.
[5:49] <Tachyon`> I tried the composite output on my old 1084, the results were not encouraging
[5:49] <Tachyon`> wonder when we're goign to be able to use the DSI port
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[5:50] <DMackey> I haven't tried any of my Commodore monitors yet, Big time C= fan here... My C= site, http://www.n2dvm.com
[5:50] <atouk> i miss my amiga
[5:50] <DMackey> I have a 1084, 1902 and a 1902A I could try it on
[5:50] <Tachyon`> is that a confederate flag?
[5:50] <DMackey> Still a big Amiga following out there..
[5:51] <DMackey> Heh Yup, a friend gave me that a few years ago
[5:51] <Tachyon`> lol
[5:51] <Tachyon`> Ihave a C128D and an A1200 setup here
[5:51] <DMackey> Make sure you check out my C= BLOG also, lots of neat stuff there as well.
[5:51] <atouk> remember, that's a symbol of States Rights, not whatever you learned in school
[5:51] <Tachyon`> er, I'm british
[5:51] <DMackey> Nice, My main sys is a 128D with Super CPU and Ramlink
[5:52] <Tachyon`> I didn't really learn anything about it in school
[5:52] <Tachyon`> ooh, supercpu, nice
[5:52] <Xark> Tachyon`: The composite is much better than C-64 was, but that is not saying much. I gather it is NTSC (704x480 (with edges cut off by overscan). It wasn't too bad on my cheapo LCD TV (but certainly not as crisp as HDMI).
[5:52] <Tachyon`> Xark, it is not
[5:52] <Tachyon`> the C64 did svideo
[5:52] <DMackey> you would NOT believe the deal I got on that, a guy liked the way I helped and treated people in the C= community, and basicly GAVE it to me
[5:52] <Tachyon`> which was far superior
[5:53] <DMackey> Yup, I have a PAL C64 I use svid to hook to my 37" LCD tv
[5:53] <Tachyon`> but aye, I think I get 704x576 for the usual reasons
[5:53] <Tachyon`> wizball varied a bit on PAL
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[5:54] <Tachyon`> you got the cauldrons along the bottom and the weapon icons along the top
[5:54] <DMackey> I really need to find me a 14" PAL monitor..
[5:54] <Tachyon`> rather than the alternating display you get on NTSC versions
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[5:54] <Xark> Tachyon`: It would be nice if it had s-video and that would help color resolution greatly, but this has > 2x the raw luminance resolution of C-64. I found ~60 column 8x8 text to be readable (not possible on C-64).
[5:54] <Tachyon`> althoguh as you're doubtless aware, the cauldrons were actually multicolour sprites lurking in the border area
[5:55] <Tachyon`> you could probably get 60 using 6x8
[5:55] <DMackey> I have heard that PAL machines do to Sprites in to borders better
[5:55] <Tachyon`> well, there's more border to do them in
[5:56] <Tachyon`> as they're all 320x200, on PAL machines you just get larger top/bottom borders
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[5:56] <Xark> Tachyon`: Not to mention 50hz vs 60hz (so more cycles per frame).
[5:57] <Tachyon`> aye, that too
[5:57] <Tachyon`> the large LCD doesn't seem to like old hardware much
[5:57] <DMackey> I got back into C= about 4 years ago and then went nuts with it..
[5:57] <Tachyon`> I tend to get oversaturated colours etc.
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[5:57] <Tachyon`> you should buy whdload if you have an amiga with hard drive
[5:57] * Xark worked at DataSoft and had to help convert some MirrorSoft games for US market (sometimes impossible without reducing screen size etc.).
[5:57] <Tachyon`> it allows the use of old disk based software from hard drive
[5:57] <DMackey> No room/time or $$ for Amiga stuff..
[5:58] <Tachyon`> ahh
[5:58] <DMackey> I have had people try to GIVE me stuff BUT it would never get used so I turn it down
[5:58] <DMackey> a500/a1000 and an a1200
[5:58] <Tachyon`> you really need to have at the very least a 1200 in yuor collection
[5:59] <DMackey> It will fint in the large pile of C64's and a few c128s heh
[5:59] <Tachyon`> you can run pretty much anything on a 1200, I was lucky enoguh to acquire a second one from freecycle with an accelerator
[5:59] <atouk> i had someone want to give me a boxfull of 1000s. but without the keyboards
[5:59] <Tachyon`> oh dear
[5:59] <Tachyon`> I assume like the 128D it's a curious custom keybaord
[6:00] <DMackey> so many 128d s with out the keyboards...
[6:00] <Xark> Tachyon`: I have a pre-release A1000 developer machine (but no Amiga RGB monitor, so "composite" now) and an A3500 that uses VGA at least (both gathering dust in my garage).
[6:00] <DMackey> I have a 2nd 128d that needs a KB..
[6:00] <Tachyon`> 3500? I'm not aware of that system
[6:00] <DMackey> thats my backup to the one I'm using now.
[6:00] <atouk> yeah. commodore did a tradup program for 1000 owners. but all you had to do was send back the keyboard for the 1000. not the whole machine
[6:00] <Xark> Tachyon`: I think it is just a 3000 + a C= flicker fixer.
[6:00] <Tachyon`> ahh
[6:01] <Xark> Booted Dpaint nicely last I tried (>5 years ago now).
[6:01] <DMackey> I haven't even touched an amiga computer..
[6:01] <Tachyon`> there was a 1500 released here
[6:01] <Tachyon`> which was more or less a 500 in a 2000 case
[6:03] <Tachyon`> A1500s were easily convertible into A2000s by addition of a hard disk controller (and associated drive), and then simply peeling off the A1500 label revealing the A2000 label beneath. (so says wikipedia)
[6:04] <DMackey> Amazing what commodore did with hardware and what not..
[6:04] <DMackey> Like when they took all the 1581 drives for the Amiga...
[6:04] <DMackey> Drove the price of the 1581 drives thru the roof for awhile.
[6:05] <Tachyon`> ah, I wondered why there were so few of those around
[6:05] <DMackey> I have 3 of them, One I use and the other 2 are backups
[6:05] <Tachyon`> never did get one
[6:05] <Tachyon`> not that I really need it, I have a 64HDD Pro system
[6:05] <DMackey> I mostly use the 1571 drives, I have 15 Working units on hand,
[6:05] <Tachyon`> although there are better solutions now
[6:05] <Tachyon`> 1541u2 for example
[6:05] <DMackey> if I get them cheap or free I grab them no matter what
[6:06] <DMackey> Yup, I have one of those also. along with an IDE64'
[6:06] <DMackey> Took me almost a year to get my 1541u-2 after I ordered it.. nice piece of hardware
[6:06] <DMackey> well worth the wait imo
[6:06] <Tachyon`> I will get one at some point, made an XE/PwrLoad cable for mine though so it can load a 200 block game in about 3.5 seconds
[6:07] <Tachyon`> I'm not stranger to waiting, I have a pandora, lol
[6:07] <DMackey> I almost ordered one of those but got a Sony PSP and modded it instead.
[6:07] <hotwings> i still have piles of c64 disks id like to backup.. all this c64 talk almost makes me want to start coding it again
[6:07] <DMackey> the pandora still was weeks away..
[6:08] <DMackey> hotwings, Doooo Eeeeet!
[6:08] <DMackey> I used a Zoomfloppy to back up my 1000+ disks awhile back.
[6:08] <Tachyon`> starcommander will back them up to a PC if you have suitable hardware and an X/XE cable
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[6:08] <DMackey> yeah that way is Sloooooooow, I have those adapters also.
[6:09] <hotwings> i have tons of source code im sure collectors would love to get their hands on
[6:09] <DMackey> then I got a 64nic cart and started using Warpcopy to backup disks
[6:09] <DMackey> hotwings, That would be awesome.
[6:09] <DMackey> I'm no coder BUT I know guys that are.
[6:09] <Opinie> for anyone interested, libreoffice writer seems to work quite well
[6:09] <Opinie> at least when turbo mode is on
[6:09] <Opinie> that is
[6:09] <DMackey> Opinie, I'l have to check that out
[6:10] <Opinie> I could actually imagine hacking out a thesis with this, if it would ever come to that
[6:15] <DMackey> Ok I better get back to work, tlk l8r peeps..
[6:16] <Opinie> l8r
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[6:23] <invalidopcode> hm... my ti stellaris board seems to be happy sitting on top of rPi's GPIO header... is that going to harm anything?
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[6:24] <Opinie> right, better be off to bed.. thanks again for helping me out atouk and all!
[6:24] <Opinie> nn
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[6:27] <Datalink|Elsewhe> invalidopcode, if the pinout isn't the same, it could
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[6:27] <invalidopcode> Datalink: if it would have destroyed anything would it have happened by now?
[6:28] <invalidopcode> (its been connected for about 10 mins)
[6:28] <Datalink> specifically, there are 4 power pins in 2 groups, and ground is common between 5 pins
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[6:28] <invalidopcode> hm... okay
[6:28] <Datalink> invalidopcode, I'd detach it and be glad the launchpad's cheap... I'd have to look at the pinouts
[6:29] <invalidopcode> haha okay
[6:29] <invalidopcode> its actually pretty cool because the launchpad is drawing power from the rPi and the little sample program is running perfectly
[6:29] <des2> lol
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[6:30] <Datalink> invalidopcode, is the launchpad a 3.3 volt device or 5 volt? the Pi's pins are dangerously not 5 volt tolerant
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[6:31] <invalidopcode> its 3.3 iirc
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[6:32] <des2> 3.3
[6:32] <invalidopcode> yup, just checked its 3.3
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[6:35] <Datalink> okay looking at the pinouts neither of the connectors are a safe pinout for the two devices to interact, http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spmu289/spmu289.pdf page 11 has the pinouts for the Launchpad and http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals if you want to compare
[6:36] <Datalink> 5V would short to ground or be fed into an IO pin with either connector
[6:36] <invalidopcode> hm.. okay
[6:36] <Datalink> on the Solaris
[6:36] <invalidopcode> what exactly would that do?
[6:37] <Datalink> fry transistors, creating intermittent IO errors, depends on the Launchpad's protections... the Pi has no protections on it's GPIO, due to the cost target
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[6:39] <invalidopcode> what power is Vbus normall?
[6:39] <invalidopcode> *normally
[6:40] <invalidopcode> because isn't that USB that usually 5v?
[6:40] <invalidopcode> because the way I had it connected, the VBUS pin lined up with the 5V power out of the rPI
[6:41] <Datalink> 3.3 Volts for system, 1.8 for the core, 5 volt safe is only on the USB pins for the Broadcom, on the Pi, with the launchpad, I do not know as I have not worked with that dev board
[6:42] <des2> "The Launchpad expects 4.75-5.25 VDC on VBUS,"
[6:42] <invalidopcode> des2: where did you find that?
[6:42] <des2> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/10/16/stellaris-launchpad-hack-adds-lipo-capability/
[6:43] <invalidopcode> ooo cool
[6:44] <Datalink> if the first 2 pins are left off the board, it'd actually remove most of the risks, there's still going to be shorting to ground on several pins, but this is less dangerous than I was expecting
[6:44] <Datalink> P1-1 and P1-2 unconnected, basically, would be safe provided VBus is on the P1-4
[6:45] <invalidopcode> that's how I was configuring it
[6:46] <des2> now you have to write up a project with the Pi and stellaris having them connected.
[6:46] <Datalink> okay that is safe then, though be aware of the ground bus pins through the connector and avoid powering those (short to ground can be dangerous to the Stellaris)
[6:46] <invalidopcode> wouldn't shorting to ground just mean that they are always pulled low? (feel free to laugh if my electrical theory is crazy)
[6:46] <invalidopcode> *disregard last comment*
[6:46] <Datalink> yes and no, it would produce a dangerously low impedence to ground without resistors
[6:46] <invalidopcode> hm okay
[6:47] <Datalink> driven low with a fire hose, basically... there's no restriction on current, best to leave them tristate or logic low
[6:47] <invalidopcode> so in other words, just don't touch them
[6:47] <Datalink> that or set them low, yeah, low is safe as the GPIOs will be driven to ground anyway
[6:48] <invalidopcode> okay
[6:48] <invalidopcode> awesome
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[6:48] <Datalink> a transistor without a load is a short, and the weakest part of that short will be the transistor, so it will fry
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[6:49] <invalidopcode> are there any visible symptoms of a fried transistor?
[6:49] <Datalink> if you've ever jumped a car, the last connection of the jumper cables sparks, that's because that is a short, same thing, though slightly lower current
[6:49] <invalidopcode> ahh okay
[6:50] <Datalink> depends on the transistor, sometimes it's invisible, other times you can smell burning, see a cracked case and the puff of magic smoke as the device actually shorts out, often it'll be the former with ICs like these ARM chips
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[6:51] <invalidopcode> so if I fried something, I'd probably be able to tell by now?
[6:51] <Datalink> digital chips are notoriously hard to diagnose problems like fried transistors
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[6:51] <invalidopcode> ohh okay
[6:51] <invalidopcode> I see
[6:51] <Datalink> I would run tests on the pins shorted to ground on the current pi connector to see if they still can control an LED or logic probe
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[6:52] <Datalink> try to remember to drive them low or leave them unset in the future if you're going to use the Pi's connector
[6:52] <invalidopcode> okay
[6:52] <invalidopcode> I haven't touched any of the pin configurations, so they should be in whatever their default configuration is
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[6:54] <Datalink> initially my concern was that 5 volts was going where it shouldn't, you verified that you had it in the correct position to avoid that, so that was mitigated, P1-17's the only major danger I see so long as you aren't driving the ground pins high, as that's a 3.3V source as well
[6:54] <invalidopcode> okay
[6:55] <invalidopcode> well that's good to hear :)
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[6:55] <Datalink> I do not know the launchpad at all, so I cannot comment on it's configurations, only what I see on the datasheet and what I know about the Pi's GPIO header
[6:56] <Datalink> basic test would be to have any of the pins that where on Pi power or ground pins toggle an LED and resistor setup, it's a simple logic probe and most people do have the parts for such a test
[6:56] <invalidopcode> hmm okay
[6:56] <Datalink> I just got a logic probe so I can do more proper testing, but the best way to tell a transistor's fried is to logic probe it, that would be driving an LED both from ground and from power rail through a resistor and the tested logic pin
[6:58] <Datalink> (alternatively you can test 2 at once by having them alternate through the LED and trying it both ways, a tad faster)
[6:58] <Datalink> once you know one of the two is bad, you can set up more specific for that one LED
[6:58] <Datalink> er, logic pin
[7:02] <invalidopcode> I'll test it tomorrow, but this is pretty cool... because now I have a breakout board with an LED and two buttons
[7:02] <invalidopcode> *RGB LED
[7:02] <invalidopcode> I'm thinking it might make for a good controller for a music player
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[7:07] <Datalink> it could, yeah
[7:07] <Datalink> mn, note to self, do not run logic probe at 3.3v when seeeduino is in 5 volt...
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[7:13] <__machine> where's the best/quickest place to get an rpi (in australia), and what's a good case for it? is pibow actually good?
[7:13] <Syliss> it is but a little expensive
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[7:18] <des2> Since the 512MB has been released there have been a flood of orders and places are now sold out.
[7:18] <__machine> to get pibow in australia will cost $32 AUD... is there another more traditional looking but still well made case that is commonly available?
[7:18] <__machine> des2: damn i should have joined the flood as soon as i heard :)
[7:18] <Datalink> invalidopcode, tied to Pi ground: 3.6, 3.9, 1.4, Tied to Pi 3v3: 1.8, tied to LaunchPad GND: P1-3 (SDA/GPIO0; safe due to I2C resistors)
[7:19] <Datalink> __machine, Adafruit has a selection, I'd have to look for aus sources from my supplier list though
[7:19] <invalidopcode> Datalink: okay, cool
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[7:20] <invalidopcode> Datalink: would connecting USB to the launchpad have a negative consequence? because of the extra power?
[7:20] <Datalink> __machine, ugh, closest distributor's NZ
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[7:21] <Datalink> invalidopcode, multiple power sources risks messing up the regulators
[7:21] <Datalink> I just totally forgot what a power regulator was called for about a minute >.<
[7:21] <Datalink> ugh.
[7:21] <invalidopcode> haha up too late?
[7:22] <invalidopcode> but, yeah I guessed that would be the case
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[7:24] <Datalink> invalidopcode, yep you did, I'm still a tad nervous having 4 pins tied to the pi power bus, adding a second 5V supply could be risky, example: my FPGA is a small dev board and an expansion board, the expansion board can be powered by it's own 5V supply but I have to move a jumper off my FPGA if I want to power it's board off either the expansion board or a breadboard instead of USB, because it could damage the 5v regulator on my board
[7:25] <Datalink> __machine, http://australia.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi pi should be there, I think, they're an authorized distributor
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[7:25] <des2> If your choice is between a farnell distributor and an rs one choose the farnell linked one.
[7:26] <invalidopcode> Datalink: yeah, I think the same would be true for the launchpad, because it has switch for choosing which of the two USB ports to draw power from
[7:26] <Datalink> des2, oh right, I forgot RS is dodgy
[7:26] <Datalink> invalidopcode, kinda sorta...
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[7:27] <invalidopcode> okay
[7:27] <Datalink> invalidopcode, it's actually more a 'reverse driving' of the regulator, which is similar to a short, too much power for the wiring to handle means no more wiring
[7:27] <invalidopcode> ahhh okay
[7:27] <invalidopcode> do you think the USB-To-Go would still work?
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[7:27] <des2> Farnell is using the Sony plant in the UK to manufacture 30,000 PIs/month and that gives them a supply advantage.
[7:28] <invalidopcode> because that should be drawing power, not providing it
[7:28] <__machine> can the rpi power any usb devices without a powered hub?
[7:28] <Datalink> invalidopcode, OTG may, since that's driving the accessory, but I would warn against using an accessory the Pi can't drive itself
[7:28] <des2> yes machine.
[7:28] <discopig> hi
[7:29] <invalidopcode> Datalink: haha okay. plus I think we've already established that anything I'm doing should be warned against :P
[7:29] <Datalink> __machine, it's limited by a couple things, actually, the Pi can use anything, but the power is somewhat limited by the adaptor you use to power the pi and a couple protection fuses
[7:29] <des2> On the current models you have a maximum of about 400mA or so to power USB devices assuming your power supply puts out 1.1A
[7:29] <Datalink> invalidopcode, heh
[7:30] <des2> There's a 1.1 Amp tripping polyfuse on the V2 PIs and the Pi itself uses about 500mA
[7:30] <Datalink> __machine, I would avoid USB powered external hard drives or G15 keyboards, anything with it's own power cord is fine so long as it's supported by the kernel (nearly everything)
[7:30] <__machine> is the multicomp mc-rp001 case good?
[7:31] <__machine> that seems to be the only one sold by farnell/element14
[7:31] <Datalink> __machine, it would be good, though I don't know if that one has a GPIO cable slit
[7:32] * Datalink checks datasheet on it
[7:33] <Datalink> __machine, yeah, it'll work though like I just said, no GPIO ribbon out with it, if you intend to make a settop box, or a headless server or other applications it shouldn't be a factor, but if you're looking to do GPIO dev like invalidopcode and myself, then it would be a disadvantage to that case
[7:33] <Datalink> if you're not a hardware type, you'll be fine
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[7:35] <Datalink> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1640958.pdf it's actually pretty nice, in my opinion, footpads, mounting holes, good ventilation
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[7:36] <Datalink> who needs sleep, I can babble on IRC all night... z.z and I wonder why I'm having problems sleeping for school
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[7:39] <__machine> it appears to be out of stock anyway... guess ill just wait for a pibow :D
[7:41] <invalidopcode> okay... I've got class tomorrow, so I need to get some sleep. thanks for the help Datalink!
[7:42] <invalidopcode> and des2!
[7:42] <Datalink> __machine, adafruit.com has pibow in two colors, and another case they designed, there are other options out there as well, I just kinda like adafruit myself
[7:42] <Datalink> invalidopcode, alright, sleep well, best of luck :D
[7:43] <invalidopcode> thanks!
[7:43] <__machine> i tought it only came in one colour?
[7:44] <Datalink> __machine, Adafruit got a varient color pattern on agreement with the pibow creator, I don't know if they do their own laser cuts or if they get it supplied, but they've basically commissioned a clear blue version
[7:44] <__machine> would the miniature wifi run from rpi without additional power? and miniature kb/mouse? http://adafruit.com/products/922 and http://adafruit.com/products/814 ?
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[7:47] <__machine> i see it... the blue one looks pretty cool
[7:47] <des2> Probably with a good ps.
[7:47] <__machine> maybe even better than the original
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[7:52] <__machine> anyone seen a tiny dvi or vga monitor?
[7:53] <__machine> hmm the blue one says it was limited edition and they are not sure if it will be back :(
[7:55] <des2> PI doesn't do VGA
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[7:56] <__machine> oh.. well i have other machines that do as well... tiny monitor with dvi or vga (sub 10") with hdmi dvi or vga would be good
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[8:03] <des2> there was discussion earlier today
[8:04] <des2> Tiny ones are kinda expensive.
[8:04] <discopig> yeah
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[8:04] <__machine> ive seen tiny TVs that would work with rpi but not other devices that have only hdmi dvi or vga
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[8:05] <des2> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#ecwid:category=3094861&mode=category&offset=0&sort=priceAsc
[8:06] <des2> one that works with the LVDS
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[8:49] <lunra> Just had a play with RISC OS on the Raspberry Pi (512MB). Very cool indeed.
[8:50] <lunra> RISC OS has some nice unique GUI tactics that make you go 'oh ok, that'
[8:50] <lunra> s cool!'
[8:50] <des2> I've never seen RISC OS
[8:50] <lunra> https://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/Software%20information:%20Development%20%28ROM%20image%29
[8:50] <des2> How's the memory footprint/speed on the PI ?
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[8:51] <bircoe> based on this video it looks pretty slow
[8:51] <bircoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LiudJUlOi0
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[8:52] <lunra> I didn't check how much RAM was used, but it's very quick
[8:52] <lunra> Most of the operating system is ARM Assembly afterall
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[8:53] <plugwash> afaict riscos is stuck in a bit of a timewarp, other than porting to new hardware I don't think it has changed significantly in the last decades
[8:53] <bircoe> maybe it's a 256mb pi
[8:54] <plugwash> which means it won't have the bloat of modern software and should be pretty damn fast but afaict it also lacks things like preemptive multitasking
[8:54] <lunra> Yes. If it were 1989, i'd be very very happy to use RISC OS
[8:55] <lunra> Though i've been spoilt with modern GNU/Linux :)
[8:56] <des2> heh
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[9:01] * gordonDrogon waves
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> I had an early Acorn ARC with riscos on it ...
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> but all I ever eanted to do on that machine was port linux to it.
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> risc os was ok, but ...
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[9:06] <des2> heh
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[9:22] <Weaselweb> *first one
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[10:15] <FR^2> moin
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[10:36] <bede> has anybody successfully used an USB UV PLUS DisplayLink with the Pi? When I attach it to my pi it takes like a second and then it reboots. same thing when booting with the device already attached, i can see a couple of boot messages and then it reboots
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> bede, power issues? does it work in a powered hub?
[10:39] <bede> gordonDrogon: have none around
[10:39] <PReDiToR> It's the best investment you can make as a RasPi owner.
[10:40] <bede> gordonDrogon: but it feels different thant the power issues i have been seeing with other devices. but might be a read hering due to some late initialization or stuff
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> bede, power issues are not uncommon.
[10:40] <bede> any tips on what to get?
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if you could plug it in without loading up the USB drivers for it?
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[10:40] <lunra> has anyone powered a rpi from a usb hub, and then used that same hub as a hub for the rpi?
[10:40] <bede> i could try to blacklist it
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[10:42] <PReDiToR> lunra: Yes, lots of people. The power socket on the RasPi only has V+ and V- connected so there is no "feedback" of Data+ and Data-/
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> I power a Pi from a hub.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> It's a LOGIK hub - cost me about ?13 from PC World.
[10:43] <FR^2> lunra: yes, I do that, works fine
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> I use a separate USB to microUSB lead from the hub, but the hub's uplink provides power too (which won't power a Rev 1 Pi due to the Polyfuses)
[10:43] <lunra> Sweet.
[10:43] <PReDiToR> grumble grumble polyfuses grumble
[10:44] <lunra> short 'em
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[10:44] <FR^2> I've got a powered usb 2.0 hub with five connectors, but of course that way one of those is used to power the raspi
[10:44] <nesdude> Does anyone know much much current is drawn from the 3.3v regulator?
[10:45] <nesdude> Im seeing whether or not its worth replacing with an LM2596 converter
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> nesdude, it's only worth replacing if you're powering it from batteries and need to save the 1/4 watt it wastes.
[10:46] <nesdude> Thats exactly the case :)
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> nesdude, look at the schematic - I recall there's supposed to be enough copper under it to dissapate up to one watt.
[10:47] <nesdude> Yeah have those in front of me
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> which would suggest 300mA
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> I have pulled an additional 170mA through it in the past with no ill effects ...
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[10:49] <nesdude> the lm2596 is only about 75% effecient though. I was hoping for more :(
[10:49] * linuxstb couldn't hold out any longer and orders a 512MB - buying Pis is getting addictive...
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[10:49] <nesdude> I'm glad my office buys them :+
[10:50] <nesdude> I like the rev2 boards though. saves having to solder on the usb fuses
[10:50] <nesdude> *a link over
[10:50] <nesdude> powering the board via P1 header isnt a problem is i, apart from bypassing the 5v fuse?
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> I think someone on the forums did something a while back to try to reduce current. A Rev 2 board will help too as it's got the fix for the 3.3v output on the usb/ethernet chip.
[10:51] <nesdude> schematics suggest no, but i thought id ask
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[10:51] <nesdude> gordonDrogon yeah working with rev2's luckily :)
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> the schematic says 800mW.
[10:52] * lunra is still wondering what the truck to do with his rpi. Maybe a bot if I can get my AVR programmer working.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> that's the Pi's schematic.
[10:52] <booyaa> finally cancelled his rs order
[10:53] <booyaa> i have wasted months, should've went with e14 in the first bloody place
[10:53] <nesdude> gordonDrogon, yeah max dissepation
[10:53] <linuxstb> booyaa: How do you do that?
[10:53] <nesdude> *dissipate
[10:53] <hermanhermitage> e14 have been very impressive
[10:53] <nesdude> Yeah, we ordered twice from them, 2 days.
[10:53] <nesdude> 2 raspis, then 10.
[10:54] <nesdude> rev 2 boards, too
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> nesdude, I guess the only way would be to make one up (or buy one of hte many modules with the lm2596) and see if it actually saves any current...
[10:54] <hermanhermitage> linuxstb: did you just see the Rpi 1G announcement?
[10:54] <nesdude> gordonDrogon, yeah I have the lm2596's here. before i d/c the 3.3 regulator ill try and measure usage
[10:54] <hermanhermitage> haha just joking.
[10:55] <nesdude> ok, another question. I don't need the gpu at all
[10:55] <nesdude> can I do anything apart form underclocking it?
[10:55] <booyaa> linuxstb: faq has a link to the cancel page, one sec
[10:56] <booyaa> 3 weeks waiting time on e14, bonus is that i get a 512 pi
[10:56] <booyaa> linuxstb: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&file=questions#Cancellations
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> nesdude, the gpu controlls all memory access, so while you don't need it, the board needs it...
[10:58] <nesdude> Ah, daft of me
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, I bet you get it in under a week :)
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[10:58] <nesdude> e14 all the way
[11:02] <linuxstb> booyaa: Thanks.
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[11:05] <PReDiToR> I ordered both my RasPis from RS UK and the launch model took forever, but the second one was about 3 weeks from order to arrival.
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[11:14] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: i hope so, that happened with my first order from e14 :)
[11:14] <booyaa> i think they said 4 weeks got it in 2
[11:15] <booyaa> don't suppose there's any chance mine will be british made too?
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[11:21] <Lexip> Mine from e14 was delivered 4 days after I placed the order.
[11:21] <buZz> lol
[11:21] <buZz> i keep reading e14 as an old Enlightenment version
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> all from farnell will be made in uk now.
[11:22] <buZz> ieuw uk
[11:22] <buZz> hope they dont get tea on the pcb :/
[11:22] <buZz> ;)
[11:22] <PReDiToR> E17 is cool. I run it on my laptop.
[11:23] <buZz> awesome
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[12:29] <Milos|Netbook> gordonDrogon, you there?
[12:29] <Milos|Netbook> You mentioned running your Pi off batteries. Did you have some kind of regulator?
[12:33] <steve_rox> ususally you put a regulator on to prevent explosion
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[12:35] <gazzwi86> hey guys
[12:35] <lunra> hi gazzwi86
[12:35] <gazzwi86> I've updated the firmware and software on my pi and I've rebooted so the firmware can be installed, however the pi is hanging
[12:36] <asaru> what os?
[12:36] <gazzwi86> I can type as though i have a command prompt
[12:36] <gazzwi86> wheezy
[12:36] <Diaoul> plugwash, I got XBMC to compile again :)
[12:36] <asaru> you can type but...
[12:37] <gazzwi86> asaru: well I haven't tried using the prompt for commands incase i break stuff
[12:37] <gazzwi86> the loading light is still on
[12:37] <asaru> i would just reboot it
[12:37] <gazzwi86> asaur: well it was in the middle of a reboot and hasn't gone down it would appear
[12:37] <asaru> you mean its hanging after issuing the reboot command?
[12:37] <gazzwi86> should i just pull the plug?
[12:37] <gazzwi86> yeh
[12:38] <asaru> i pull the plug on my pi all the time
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[12:38] <gazzwi86> when does new firmware get installed
[12:38] <asaru> its already there
[12:38] <asaru> did you use rpi-update
[12:38] <gazzwi86> yeh
[12:38] <asaru> im sure it'll be fine
[12:38] <gazzwi86> cool
[12:39] <gazzwi86> ill pull the plug
[12:39] <asaru> no promises though :P
[12:39] <asaru> sounds weird
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> Milos|Netbook, ping?
[12:39] <asaru> i've pulled the plug plenty of times but it was just running. not in the middle of rebooting
[12:39] <Milos|Netbook> gordonDrogon, pong?
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I used a bog-standard 7805 regulator.
[12:40] <Milos|Netbook> Damn.
[12:40] <asaru> it probably stopped rebooting for some odd reason
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> works well, but gets hot as it's not the most efficient of devices.
[12:40] <Milos|Netbook> Inefficient, though?
[12:40] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah.
[12:40] <asaru> my 7805 gets super hot too
[12:40] <Milos|Netbook> I've tried it. Albeit to go down from 12V, so it kinda nearly melted.
[12:40] <Milos|Netbook> No heatsink :P
[12:40] <asaru> i put a big huge heatsink on it, from a pc psu
[12:40] <Holden> gordonDrogon, what's the input voltage to the regulator?
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> yea, I was only powering frob 6 x AA's - 9V
[12:40] <asaru> but my setup is a chain, 12v wall wart -> 7809 -> 7805
[12:40] <Milos|Netbook> That's still a bit.
[12:40] <asaru> they're both on the same heatsink
[12:41] <Milos|Netbook> I really really really really need a solution.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> it was to drive 9v lego motors.
[12:41] <buZz> 12:40 < gordonDrogon> I used a bog-standard 7805 regulator.
[12:41] <Milos|Netbook> I need a regulator that is a) efficient, b) is able to give me 5.1V no matter what kind of load I give it, between 0 and 1A.
[12:41] <Milos|Netbook> Why is this so difficult!
[12:41] <buZz> i found an awesome replacement for a 7805!
[12:41] <gazzwi86> ok so its hanging when booting up
[12:41] <gazzwi86> bugger
[12:41] <buZz> http://www.ti.com/product/pth08080w <---
[12:41] <buZz> also, free samples ;)
[12:41] <Milos|Netbook> :O
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pitrak4.jpg
[12:42] <Milos|Netbook> gordonDrogon, that's epic.
[12:42] <buZz> really :D
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> that's an un-finisehd project )-:
[12:42] <buZz> gordonDrogon: why is this not posted on hackaday.com yet?
[12:42] <gazzwi86> I ran the following three commands and now my pi won't come back up rpi-update apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[12:42] <gazzwi86> how would i fix this?
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> because I don't know about hackday.com
[12:43] <Milos|Netbook> buZz, have you used it?
[12:43] <gazzwi86> or diognose
[12:43] <buZz> Milos|Netbook: not yet
[12:43] <asaru> nice gordonDrogon
[12:43] <buZz> Milos|Netbook: i saw it used in a project, so ordered one
[12:43] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, I think I saw some switching modules on ebay a while back... those would work for your application
[12:43] <asaru> gazzwi86 it didnt come back?
[12:43] <gazzwi86> asaru: nope
[12:43] <asaru> try reflashing the card maybe
[12:43] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, yeah a lot of them are crap.
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[12:43] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, I got a 12/24V -> 5V step-down, and it shows up as 7V.
[12:43] <buZz> this one seems really pro
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> yea, there are loads of little switching regulators out there. I have 7805's to hand ..
[12:44] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, wait, let me see if I find the link. it used a national chip...
[12:44] <Milos|Netbook> Ok.
[12:44] <Milos|Netbook> Thanks :)
[12:44] <Milos|Netbook> Because I really need something that is as stable as what I can get from my AC power adapter.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> and batteries are cheap - rechargables more so..
[12:44] <Milos|Netbook> The amount of time I've spent debugging battery power issues...
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> 7805's "jsut work" ...
[12:45] <Milos|Netbook> They're inefficient, and get hot.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> yes, but they still "just work".
[12:45] <Milos|Netbook> They also behave worse than the switched ones I've obtained.
[12:45] <Milos|Netbook> In terms of voltage drop.
[12:45] <buZz> gordonDrogon: 7805 is more expensive than a free sample of a SMPS ;)
[12:45] <Milos|Netbook> The others "just work" too.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> the basic design has been around for decades though.
[12:45] <gazzwi86> asaru: took the power out, removed and reseated the flash card
[12:45] <gazzwi86> no luck
[12:45] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, I haven't tried it myself but a friend told me it works well http://www.ebay.it/itm/1PCS-LM2596-DC-Step-Down-Adjustable-Converter-Power-Module-/251088690509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a760d5d4d
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[12:46] <asaru> gazzwi86: reflash the card
[12:46] <asaru> ?
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> well - if you are spending ages debugging, then maybe it's not "just working" for you ...
[12:46] <gazzwi86> asaru: reinstall you mean?
[12:46] <asaru> yeah i dont get any voltage drops from my setup
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> my philisophy is to get something working, then make it work better.
[12:46] <Milos|Netbook> The pi works fine from it, but it can't handle the 3G dongle as well.
[12:46] <asaru> gazzwi86: yeah
[12:46] <gazzwi86> ok
[12:46] <Milos|Netbook> And to me, those two are one, so I still have a problem.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> so now I have the basic circuit going, I can improve on it - and yes, a switching regulator is on the cards.
[12:47] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, that's funny, it says "saved in your watch list"
[12:47] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, so I've looked at it before. I don't think I ordered it though, but I bought similar noes.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> I've also made quite a few little PSUs out of 78xx regulators. My "bench" PSU has a 7805 in it :)
[12:47] <Milos|Netbook> s/noes/ones/
[12:47] <bircoe> Milos, if yours has the poly fuses bypass them
[12:47] <bircoe> and maybe consider bypassing the main polyfuse
[12:48] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, ok, well the chip is supposed to be a good one, I wanted to buy a couple of these to experiment myself...
[12:48] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, I'll take 10.
[12:48] <Milos|Netbook> Done.
[12:48] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, there is an auction for 10 from the same seller
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> Heh... Clever chinese spammers - I'm now getting spam for pcb manufacture in China!
[12:48] <Milos|Netbook> Oh well, already purchased.
[12:49] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, lol, you're too fast
[12:49] <bircoe> This looks very useful!
[12:49] <bircoe> http://dx.com/p/pqi-air-card-wi-fi-sd-memory-card-157901?item=22
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> I looked at this recently too: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/lipower-boost-converter-p-832.html
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> should be fine for powering a Pi off batteries - e.g. 4 x AA's rather than 6. (or LiPo's)
[12:49] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, I've basically ordered lots of different kinds of step-up, step-down, switched, blahblahblah power modules because I'm stick of buying one and finding out it doesn't do what I want or doesn't work as well as it should.
[12:49] <asaru> bircoe: clever
[12:49] <lunra> 4 AAs does only give you 1 volt of headroom
[12:49] <asaru> i like it
[12:50] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, so I'll buy lots and find out which ones work best.
[12:50] <lunra> so the batteries 'die' quicker
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> lunra, sure - but that keeps going down to 0.5v
[12:51] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, okay, I am positive this one should work to power the rpi from a 12V source
[12:51] <bircoe> or you could use lipos as intended
[12:51] <Milos|Netbook> Holden, me too, but the thing isn't just powering, it's being stable at load. Little voltage drop.
[12:51] <Milos|Netbook> I like this because it lets me pick the input voltage, so I can make it 5.5V or something.
[12:52] <Holden> Milos|Netbook, it should be stable, maybe have a look at the datasheet for the spec. Plus, if you have 12V in input, dropout isn't really an issue, you have a 7V margin
[12:52] <Milos|Netbook> :)
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[12:55] <gazzwi86> if my pi has died is there a way to recover files?
[12:55] <nid0> pull the sd card out and put it in a card reader
[12:55] <FR^2> put the sdcard into a sdcard reader ;)
[12:55] <gazzwi86> I have the sd card on my mac but can't see the /home/ directory
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[12:56] <yaMatt> there are 2 partitions on the card, have you mounted both of them?
[12:56] <nid0> you'll probably need some third-party tool on the mac
[12:57] <nid0> afaik macs cant mount ext4 by default
[12:58] <gazzwi86> yaMatt: I just have one volume mounted
[12:59] <yaMatt> nid0, that's a good point
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[12:59] <yaMatt> OSX file system support is terrible considering its based on BSD
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[13:00] <yaMatt> gazzwi86, http://ekettoz.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/mounting-linux-ext2ext3-partitions.html may help
[13:01] <nid0> not durectly though, the software package it points to handles ext2 and ext3 only
[13:01] <yaMatt> they're compatible with ext4
[13:01] <nid0> their developer's website doesnt think so
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[13:03] <yaMatt> hmm... can't tell explicitly, but there is ext4fuse
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[13:05] <gazzwi86> yaMatt: I'll be able to tell you shortly if it has support :)(
[13:05] <yaMatt> ah, yes, ext4 was forked from ext3
[13:05] <yaMatt> gazzwi86, cool :)
[13:07] <nid0> they are similar yes, but not half as similar as ext2 is to 3 - ext3 is partially forward compatible but whatever package provides it needs to at least also add compatibility for extents to be able to mount most ext4 partitions
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[13:08] <FR^2> wouldn't a copy-on-write filesystem be better suited for the raspberry pi on a sdcard?
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[13:09] <gazzwi86> This doesn't work: fuse-ext2 /dev/disk1s2 /Volumes/raspian
[13:10] <nid0> not inherantly, if you're thinking of card wear it's demonstrably not really a factor for modern cards
[13:10] <yaMatt> they tend wear level anyway
[13:10] <FR^2> okay
[13:11] <nid0> yep, all sd cards have wear levelling, and write cycles are typically in the order of hundreds of thousands
[13:11] <yaMatt> and I'm told EXT4 works on SSDs pretty nicely
[13:11] <yaMatt> gazzwi86, have you tried ext4fuse?
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[13:11] <nid0> so 2GB of data on an SD card would typically have a lifespan of at least 400,000 writes
[13:11] <gazzwi86> yaMAtt: no
[13:11] <nid0> on an 8GB sd card*
[13:13] <yaMatt> gazzwi86, https://github.com/gerard/ext4fuse/downloads
[13:13] <xalixo> hi, I need to make a backup image of my sd card, it has multiple partitions. I could do something like: dd if=/dev/SDCARD of=/dev/sda/output.img, but that would copy tons of empty space. Is there any way to do something like dd if=/dev/SDCARD1 AND if=/dev/SDCARD2 of=/dev/sda/output.img
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[13:13] <yaMatt> xalixo, you're looking to copy just certain partitions?
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[13:16] <xalixo> no I have a 16gb card and i don't want to have a 16gb image when im only using a few gbs of space
[13:17] <gazzwi86> gona have to reboot macfuse won't come up
[13:17] <gazzwi86> brb
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[13:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> you can pipe it though gzip or use rsync just to copy files
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[13:18] <nid0> yeh, if you output the dd to a gzipped image itll compress all the empty space down to nothing
[13:18] <linuxstb> xalixo: As RaTTuS|BIG suggested, pipe it through gzip - e.g. dd if=/dev/SDCARD | gzip -9 > output.img.gz
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[13:19] <buZz> no GPU accelerated gzip for raspi? :P
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[13:19] <buZz> hehe
[13:19] <xalixo> thanks guys i'll use gzip
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[13:24] <gazzwi86> hmmm??? having real issues getting macfuse to work
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[13:26] <PReDiToR> linuxstb: What's the reverse of `dd if=/dev/SDCARD | gzip -9 > output.img.gz` please?
[13:27] <nid0> to write the image back out again?
[13:27] <PReDiToR> yes, on another machine
[13:27] <nid0> gzip -d output.img.gz | dd of=/dev/sdcard
[13:27] <PReDiToR> nid0: merci
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[13:28] <nid0> oh, you'll need a c flag in there as well
[13:28] <nid0> gzip -dc output.img.gz | dd of=/dev/sdcard
[13:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> and run as root
[13:28] <PReDiToR> Thank you
[13:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you cat </dev/zero >file ; rm file 1st you will make it compress better but will decrease the life of the SD card
[13:29] <PReDiToR> I've got my RasPi doing /dev/mmcblk0 > sda1/backup.img at the moment.
[13:30] <PReDiToR> sda1 is mounted, of course.
[13:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> I personally use rsync ....
[13:30] <PReDiToR> I keep a lot of images. I've never remembered to gzip them.
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[13:34] <linuxstb> RaTTuS|BIG: Or instead of doing it as root, put yourself in the "floppy" group, or whatever group your distro mounts usb storage devices as.
[13:34] <mervaka> can you make a raspi dd itself?
[13:34] <mervaka> safely
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[13:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes .... YMMV - but as long as your not writing to the SD card you should be fine
[13:35] <mervaka> yeah ofc
[13:35] <mervaka> just interested for making periodic backups
[13:35] <mervaka> had an sd card die the other day :(
[13:36] <Lexip> Oh my, sorry for your loss. :-(
[13:36] <mervaka> it does run 24/7 datalogging though
[13:36] <mervaka> and generates new graphs every 5 minutes :/
[13:36] <mervaka> maybe i should reduce that to every hour
[13:36] <buZz> write the graphs to a tmpfs ;)
[13:37] <mervaka> good idea??!
[13:37] <mervaka> i'll get that sorted asap
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[13:38] <mervaka> will most likely dramatically increase card lifetime
[13:38] <buZz> exactly ;)
[13:38] <mervaka> in fact
[13:38] <buZz> dont do unneeded card writes
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[13:38] <buZz> mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /var/www/graphs/
[13:38] <mervaka> a lot of what happens could be moved to tmpfs
[13:38] <buZz> ;)
[13:38] <buZz> tmpfs just takes memory
[13:38] <mervaka> yeah, pretty much :p
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[13:39] <mervaka> currently in the middle of another project atm though :/
[13:39] <mervaka> IP controlled car
[13:39] <buZz> ICMP?
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[13:39] <buZz> UDP?
[13:39] <mervaka> UDP
[13:40] <mervaka> most likely
[13:40] <buZz> hehe
[13:40] <mervaka> using the headphone outputs to control servos
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[13:40] <buZz> raspi has no normal PWM output?
[13:40] <mervaka> however i'm at uni with no way of getting to the damn console
[13:41] <mervaka> yeah it does
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[13:41] <mervaka> but only PWM0
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[13:41] <buZz> just put an arduino in between
[13:41] <mervaka> nah
[13:41] <buZz> 6 PWM channels ;)
[13:41] <mervaka> :p
[13:41] <buZz> oh
[13:41] <buZz> > For the ones which may be interested, I've just released a small Python library to easily implements PWM on any GPIO pin of the Raspberry Pi.
[13:41] <buZz> https://goddess-gate.com/dc2/index.php/pages/pizypwm.en
[13:41] <mervaka> bitbash?
[13:41] <buZz> bitbanging
[13:41] <buZz> i guess
[13:42] <mervaka> i'm just using PWM0/1 which are both exposed on headphone outs
[13:42] <mervaka> and rectifying it to 0-5V
[13:42] <mervaka> and sticking the PWM module into MS mode
[13:42] <mervaka> and changing the frequency to 50hz
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> 'on any pin' you said
[13:44] <buZz> he said :P
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[13:44] <gazzwi86> Fixed! I have recovered files from my SD card
[13:44] <gazzwi86> result!
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> you mean that you can pick two arbitrary pins, and put the pwm on them?
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[13:59] <Hexxeh> these 512MB Pis seem to have much more SDRAM overclocking headroom
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[14:03] <Hexxeh> also chromium runs usably quick with a bit of an overclock
[14:03] <Hexxeh> time to kick my chromeos builder and spit out a raspberry config image see how that runs!
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[14:05] <SpeedEvil> like greased lightning.
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[14:05] <SpeedEvil> (grease is an insulator)
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[14:17] <[SLB]> Hexxeh, will we have more mem split options on the firmware?
[14:17] <Hexxeh> you mean rpi-update?
[14:17] <Hexxeh> yeah, just need to figure out a reliable way to detect what type of board you're running
[14:18] <[SLB]> yes
[14:18] <Hexxeh> to stop people trying to use 512MB splits on 256MB boards
[14:18] <[SLB]> nice :)
[14:18] <[SLB]> eheh
[14:18] <Hexxeh> i only got my 512MB boards yesterday and i'm super busy with Real Work (tm) and getting things ready for Saturday incase we reach our goal and it turns out I need to actually release an image
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[14:41] <Datalink> Hexxeh, found another author who created a new split program if you want to use his work: http://sirlagz.net/2012/04/26/raspberry-pi-memory-split-selector-script-version-2/
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[14:42] <Datalink> if you want to use it or base off his method
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[14:45] <PReDiToR> cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal | awk -F\ '{ printf("%.0f",$2/1024) }' Would that work? From what I read when you use a start.elf that is designed for the 256MB boards MemTotal would show as 256MB
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[14:46] <ryao> Wow... I didn't know that freenode had a raspberry pi channel.
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[14:47] <PReDiToR> Does it? I'll have to check that out!
[14:47] <ryao> Are the USB issues solved yet?
[14:47] <Dagger2> oh, hello yet another person I recognize from another channel I'm on
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[14:47] <ryao> Dagger2: Hi.
[14:47] <PReDiToR> On revision 2 boards, or if you short the polyfuses and use a good PSU it helps.
[14:47] <Dagger2> we seem to gather people from just about everywhere here
[14:47] <xranby> ryao: do you have any usb issues?
[14:48] <ryao> xranby: I heard that the Raspberry Pi had them, so I decided not to buy one earlier in the year.
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[14:48] <xranby> ryao: assume it is working as long as you got a good powersupply
[14:48] <ryao> Dagger2: It should be possible to run ZFSOnLinux on the Raspberry Pi, although we need to do page cache unification to bring the minimum memory requirements down..
[14:49] <ryao> How many blobs does the Raspberry Pi have?
[14:50] <Dagger2> yeah, I was just thinking that. with 256 MB of RAM (= 240 MB after video RAM) I wouldn't want to try, but now we have 512 MB it should be a lot more possible
[14:50] * yofel managed to reset his board by plugging in a USB Hub yesterday (a rev1 512M board)
[14:50] <yofel> now I just power it over the hub which now has it's own PSU - works fine
[14:50] <Dagger2> where by "a lot more possible" I mean I've done it before, though on x86
[14:50] <ryao> Dagger2: Someone else had it running on ARM with 170MB of virtual memory in use.
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[14:50] <ryao> That was shared between the kernel existing stuff, ZFS ARC and memory fragmentation in ZFS. :/
[14:50] <ryao> s/kernel/kernel's/
[14:51] <ryao> Unifying ARC with the Linux page cache should reduce the fragmentation.
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[14:52] <ryao> Does anyone know when we will be able to order the Raspberry Pi from Newegg?
[14:52] <ryao> That is all that I really want.
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[14:52] <Datalink> ryao, when/if Newegg starts carrying them from distributors
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[14:53] <ryao> Also, how many blobs does the Raspberry Pi have?
[14:53] <ryao> Will Linux 3.6 work with the blobs?
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[14:55] <ryao> Can I connect a terminal to the Raspberry Pi via a serial line? I don't know if the GPIO stuff supports that.
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[14:56] <Datalink> ryao, P1-8 and P1-10 are TTL 3v3 level console Serial in standard config, this can be changed in /boot/cmdline.txt
[14:57] <Datalink> sorry, it took till that one before you hit one I knew
[14:57] <Datalink> ryao, if you wanna do any GPIO stuff, this becomes your friend very fast: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[14:57] <atouk> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi/blog/2012/07/18/look-ma-no-display-using-the-raspberry-pi-serial-console
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[14:58] <Datalink> https://www.adafruit.com/products/954 is an FTDI at 3v3 for serial console work as well as other embedded devices with serial ttl
[14:59] <Datalink> I have an Arduino clone capable of 3.3v operation, I've used it's FTDI chip with the AVR in tristate to do serial console as well
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[15:05] <Datalink> ryao, I'm looking into the blob question, I was trying to figure out what you meant as I usually think of blobs as just binary data in programs, 3.6 has been tested with success but I am not privy to who has compiled the 3.6 kernel yet
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[15:06] <Datalink> ryao, as for if there are multiple blobs, yes there are several GPU splits, from 240/16 up, they get copied from /boot/arm###_start.elf to /boot/start.elf to select the proper one by the Linux script rpi-config on raspbian
[15:07] <Datalink> ### being the CPU memory available to the system
[15:07] <ryao> Datalink: I am talking about blobs as in device drivers.
[15:07] <dirty_d> so what snes emulator are people using on the rpi?
[15:07] <mgottschlag> ... and there is the OpenGL blob
[15:08] <Datalink> ryao, forgive me, I just started researching this for your question
[15:08] <ryao> Datalink: Thanks for the link for the serial support.
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[15:09] <gordonDrogon> If you've not seen this, then waste 3.5 minutes with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ivIHcHwR6b0
[15:09] <Datalink> I am far from the knowledgable one in the room, but I try, heh
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[15:11] <ryao> I heard that the Raspberry Pi cannot be used without its GPU. Is that true?
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[15:12] <jaxdahl> ryao, it can run head-less, is that what you mean?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> ryao, you're asking weird questions.
[15:12] <Dagger2> ryao: sadly so, it requires at least 16 MB of RAM and its giant binary blob whatever you're doing
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> ryao, the ARM is a tiny fraction of the actual 'processor' chip. The GPU contains the memory controller, amongst other things.
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[15:13] <gordonDrogon> ryao, you can't turn it off, or have any sort of direct control over it.
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[15:13] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, that... is a thing of sheer beauty, thank you
[15:13] <ryao> jaxdahl: I mean that if I wanted to write an OS kernel for it from scratch, it won't function unless I figure out how to initialize the GPU.
[15:14] <ryao> And from what gordonDrogon says, the GPU is controlled by a blob.
[15:14] <xranby> ryao: have you looked at the os from scarts tutorials?
[15:14] <xranby> scratch
[15:15] <xranby> ryao: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1913
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[15:15] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, thats cool
[15:17] <ryao> I found where I read that: "The whole system cannot function without the GPU as it???s the first component to boot and controls some vital peripherals, and the GPU can only work with a closed-source firmware." http://whitequark.org/blog/2012/09/25/why-raspberry-pi-is-unsuitable-for-education/
[15:17] <ryao> He doesn't explain why though. :/
[15:17] <Weaselweb> ask broadcom why
[15:17] <xranby> ryao: i prefer to look at the teaching material where they do show how to initialize the gpu froma ssembly
[15:18] <xranby> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
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[15:19] <ryao> Thanks.
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[15:20] <atouk> that machining is absolutely gorgeous
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[15:21] <ryao> It looks like NetBSD got it working: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2012/07/13/msg001367.html
[15:23] <Dagger2> I suspect they used the same GPU blob (it's also the bootloader; the GPU loads it off of the SD card itself and the blob then boots an .elf kernel)
[15:24] <xranby> gordonDrogon: wow i am stunned
[15:24] <xranby> of http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ivIHcHwR6b0 that is
[15:24] <xranby> thank you for sharing
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[15:30] <gazzwi86> if i missed the boot to desktop option in config, how can i update this on raspian
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[15:30] <gazzwi86> wheezy
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[15:32] <Datalink> gazzwi86, you can run the config at any time: $ sudo raspi-config
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[15:39] <gordonDrogon> hi .sorry had to pop out to the post office - that video isn't anything to do with me - I just thought it was very cool!
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[15:44] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, heh, I tend to find mechanical machines in a sort of wonder, probably since I don't understand them like I do electronics
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, indeed - my family background is mechanical enginering though, so I really appreciate good engineering like that.
[15:45] <atouk> that's as much art as engineering
[15:45] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, oh I'm not saying I don't appreciate it, any significantly complex machine is hours of labor, and an artistic piece like that is purely a labor of love that I can respect...
[15:45] <Datalink> atouk, heh, yeah :D
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> ryao, do take everything into account - that website saying the RPi is unsuitable is a load of nonsens IMO - it's written by someone who appears to have a track-record of criticising projects like that.
[15:45] <Datalink> art, love, engineering
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> ryao, I mean, Apple and MS's code/hardware is all protected by patents but that doesn't stop it being used in education.
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[15:52] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, what did I miss during one of my computer's may disconnects?
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[15:54] <digitlman> I just bought a 512M to replace my 256M model B....I assume I can swap over my sd card and USB drive and boot to the new Pi without any issues?
[15:55] <digitlman> maybe have to re-do the eht0?
[15:55] <digitlman> err eth0
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[15:56] <Datalink> digitlman, you should be able to replace the board, the only major change where some GPIO assignments, I have to recompile a program for my Pi when I upgrade to a rev 2 but system level they are functionally identical
[15:56] <Datalink> GPIO assignments where rev 1 to rev 2 changes not related to the 512
[15:56] <digitlman> i dont use the GPIO
[15:57] <nid0> the only thing with swapping sd cards between board types is to be careful with memory splits
[15:57] <nid0> if you set a >240 split for the 512 board then put the card back into the 256 board, its presumably not gonna boot
[15:57] <digitlman> ah
[15:57] <Datalink> aye, if you intend to do it frequently, don't exceed a split the 256 can handle
[15:57] <digitlman> how can I check that?
[15:58] <nid0> free -m will tell you the current memory split
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, nothing that I saw - however I have diconnect notifies turned off here...
[15:58] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, don't worry about it, was wondering what article was linked, mainly
[15:58] <digitlman> root@raspberrypi:~# free -m
[15:58] <digitlman> total used free shared buffers cached
[15:58] <digitlman> Mem: 184 161 23 0 7 43
[15:58] <digitlman> -/+ buffers/cache: 110 74
[15:58] <digitlman> Swap: 511 0 511
[15:59] <digitlman> hows that look?
[15:59] <Datalink> digitlman, the mem line's total will be significant
[15:59] <Datalink> digitlman, you're using arm192_start.elf judging by that
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, oh - http://whitequark.org/blog/2012/09/25/why-raspberry-pi-is-unsuitable-for-education/
[15:59] <nid0> yep thats the 192 split
[15:59] <digitlman> whatever was the default in raspbian
[16:00] <digitlman> is that ok?
[16:00] <Datalink> digitlman, that'll work for both boards, yes
[16:00] <digitlman> great
[16:00] <nid0> yeah, anything up to the 240 split you can swap back and forth
[16:00] <digitlman> thanks for the info
[16:00] <nid0> what you dont want to do is put the card into the 512 board, set a 256MB or higher split, then put the card back into the 256 board without lowering the split again
[16:01] <digitlman> once I swap the components over, that's it
[16:01] <nid0> oh
[16:01] <nid0> then no problems
[16:01] <digitlman> i'll get new ones for the old board
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> this is where having the split work the other way would be much better - ie. rathe than say 'give 240 to the arm' say 'give 16 to the GPU' ...
[16:01] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, the fact this starts out by arguing about an FPGA implementation of the core as opposed to the real licensed designs is a red flag
[16:02] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, yeah, it's ambiguous as is
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, yea, he's just a bit of a troll. yet another eternal whinger.
[16:03] <ReggieUK> did someone say troll?
[16:03] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, the RMS types scare me... 'it must be free or it's evil' isn't practical as it does nothing to promote progress outside of a small sect
[16:03] <atouk> i guess according to that article I should forget everything i learned from the pi, because of it's unsuitability...
[16:03] <Datalink> ReggieUK, gordonDrogon and I are discussing an article, not a channel member, I appreciate you're actively watching for that though
[16:04] <ReggieUK> :)
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[16:04] <Datalink> one of the great things about this channel is that you'll pop up at that keyword and banhammer when needed
[16:04] <ReggieUK> I keep an eye out when I can
[16:05] <Datalink> ReggieUK, and it keeps this place welcoming, thank you :D
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[16:05] <ReggieUK> I think if you look at most hardware/software there are plenty of things to whinge about but for the most part whinging doesn't help (apart from venting or putting you that little step closer to an ulcer)
[16:06] <PReDiToR> I enjoy watching a good troll at work. Not a kiddie that will abuse and flame, but someone who starts off with a reasonable sounding point and then let people jump in to correct them. It can be an artform.
[16:06] <ReggieUK> constructive critcism is a much better way forward but you have to learn to massage egos on the way
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[16:08] <atouk> ReggieUK is correct about massaging egos. in fact, he's always correct. and the way he does a wonderful job moderating the channel. good looking fellow, too...
[16:08] <ReggieUK> and then there's getting over yourself in some cases, are you a problem person or a solution person?
[16:08] <Hodapp> I'm a certified troll.
[16:08] <PReDiToR> It may be that the purpose of your life is to serve as a warnign to others.
[16:08] <Hodapp> One that can get ops kicked out.
[16:08] <ReggieUK> I've been all of the above in different circumstances
[16:09] <Datalink> I'll be the first to mention I'm often babbling incoherently, I just try to steer my babbling into something constructive... that said, you should hear me when I dislike someone...
[16:10] <ReggieUK> :D
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[16:24] <Essobi> Datalink: lol
[16:24] <Datalink> Essobi?
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[16:28] <Essobi> Datalink: the youtubing revelation.
[16:28] <Datalink> Essobi, ah, yeah
[16:29] <Datalink> I got my pi for like... a dozen different reasons, one of which was a settop box
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[16:38] <ryao> xterm
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> I've not really tried video stuff on mine yet.
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> I mostly just ssh into them!
[16:41] <Weaselweb> are there any small, not too much powrr consuming, display, attachable to HDMI?
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> Hm. spot of late lunch time.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, 17" TV? that's what I have..
[16:43] <Weaselweb> nah, much too big. 4-5" should be enough for me
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[16:46] <Leestons> Might see if I can get a wordpress server set up later, just for the hell of it :P
[16:46] <Leestons> Knowing my luck It'll all go wrong when it comes to mySQL
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[16:54] <Datalink> Leestons, look into wordpress cache optimizations, it can hit hard under load... also MySQL has been reporetedly okay save someone recently having problems due to the deb admin user not getting added to MySQL
[16:55] <Datalink> Weaselweb, I haven't yet found a smaller HDMI display yet :/
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[16:56] <Leestons> I'll check it out Datalink, had problems with it last time but will try again.
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[16:58] <Datalink> Leestons|Doom, http://hackaday.com/2012/10/06/hackaday-proofing-your-hackerspaces-server/ may have some help, used to be called slashdot proofing, these days it's more 'social media proofing' wordpress, a few of the optimizations can benefit a lower power server like the Pi, as for MySQL, it runs but I haven't played with it enough to be authoriative there
[16:58] <[SLB]> i've set up wordpress on my pi, seems to work fine
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[16:59] <Datalink> [SLB], yeah, I was only talking from theory on my end, since I haven't used my Pi's webserver for much yet
[17:00] <[SLB]> i use some cache too eheh
[17:05] <Leestons|Doom> On thank you Datalink, much appreciated.
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[17:06] <bagpuss_thecat> Weaselweb: http://www.lilliputuk.com/monitors/hdmi might be of use
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[17:07] <Comet> fiftyonefifty: peavey?
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[17:09] <fiftyonefifty> Comet: Guess I don't understand the question
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[17:10] <Datalink> bagpuss_thecat, oh right, I forgot about TV/Movie monitors
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[17:13] <Comet> fiftyonefifty: sorry, i thought you nick was dedicated to the Peavey 5150
[17:13] <Comet> heh
[17:13] <Comet> crunchy tunes
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[17:14] <fiftyonefifty> Comet: Nope, IBM Model 5150 - the original 8088
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[17:16] <noselasd> dhclient -1 -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 is run at start. How do I control the parameters ? I'd like to remove the -1 parameter , as that seems to cause the rpi to lose its IP address if the dhcp server is unavailable
[17:17] <Leestons> Hmm, get mySQL up and running, figure out how to get phpmyadmin working, sort out Wordpress - Happy Leestons
[17:17] <Comet> fiftyonefifty: even better
[17:17] <nid0> just to go back to WordPress mentioned a little while ago, wp is dead easy to get running on a pi
[17:18] <Leestons> I can't get mySQL a
[17:18] <nid0> helped out a couple of guys a week or two ago who wanted it running and setup an optimised-as-possible setup, it runs perfectly fine
[17:18] <Leestons> and phpmyadmin working at the minute, will have a look into it later
[17:18] <Weaselweb> bagpuss_thecat: looks very interesting, but it is pretty expensive
[17:18] <nid0> why dyou need phpmyadmin?
[17:18] <Leestons> I read it in the instructions somewhere.
[17:19] <nid0> its totally unneeded
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[17:20] <nid0> http://pi.ratherdisturbing.co.uk/wordpress/ is the install I setup on my pi
[17:21] <Leestons> I'll try again later when I have direct access to my pi rather than through SSH. Thanks for the help guys.
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[17:23] <PReDiToR> Nearly all the web attacks you get are an attempt to find phpMyAdmin. If you need it, remember to change the name of the directory it is in to something highly unguessable.
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[17:25] <Datalink> I typically use a ssh aware MySQL desktop managet as myadmin will be the weakest point in any config
[17:26] <bagpuss_thecat> Weaselweb: they are, which is why I don't have any :-)
[17:27] <nid0> phpmyadmin is perfectly easy to secure by just putting it behind an htpasswd gate, the bigger problem is just not keeping scripting up to date, there're typically automated trawlers attempting to exploit flaws in wordpress/oscommerce/joomla/drupal/you name it within hours of security fix updates coming out
[17:27] <Leestons> Argh my Pi is off so I can't even ssh into it
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[17:28] <Leestons> I guess I should focus on getting FTP working before I bother with wordpress
[17:28] <nid0> also not really needed :P
[17:28] <PReDiToR> sshfs
[17:28] <Leestons> No, but useful.
[17:28] <Weaselweb> bagpuss_thecat: hrhr :)
[17:28] <[SLB]> this is my wordpress if you want to check performances http://pi.slblabs.com/slblabs
[17:29] <nid0> slow :(
[17:30] <[SLB]> i only have apc active, i disabled the wp supercache because it wasn't updating the static pages properly hm
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[17:30] <PReDiToR> Last time I ran WP (on Gentoo IIRC) the caching was fiddly to get working properly.
[17:31] <nid0> as long as the server it's being installed on supports rewrites, most of the modern caching plugins mostly work out of the box, just needs turning on
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[17:31] <PReDiToR> There is an extension that claims to be amazing, but a lot of people swear by the built in cache.
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[17:32] <nid0> wordpress doesnt have any built in caching
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[17:34] <PReDiToR> I may be confused over two extensions I had loaded then. It was a while ago.
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[17:34] <nid0> I shall rephrase, wordpress maintains "caches" for things like rss feeds, previous update checks, and the like
[17:34] <[SLB]> i should try a different cache extension, i used a bit wp super cache
[17:35] <nid0> but doesnt do any form of page caching, typically wp supercache or w3 total cache are the popular and best choices
[17:36] <nid0> [SLB]: if you dont get on with wp supercache, w3 total cache is probably the next favourite :>
[17:36] <[SLB]> yups eheh, i've installed it already, will check as soon as i have some spare time :)
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[17:39] <[SLB]> anyone could have a look at a piece of code using popen() please, i think it's correct but sometimes the output doesn't show
[17:39] <[SLB]> http://pastebin.com/nb6sn2Ss
[17:39] <rymate1234> hey guys
[17:39] <[SLB]> (could possibly be a random sensor issue though)
[17:39] <[SLB]> hey
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[17:39] <rymate1234> How to get this working? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8157
[17:39] <rymate1234> I have video, however I lack sound output
[17:40] <rymate1234> :(
[17:42] <rymate1234> nvm got it
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[17:49] <FR^2> rymate1234: Don't let us die without knowledge
[17:50] <rymate1234> I had to add -ohdmi
[17:50] <rymate1234> as described on the last page of the post
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[18:03] <dirty_d> [SLB], doesnt show or blocks?
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[18:03] <[SLB]> sometimes shows as empty for one of the two variables like randomly
[18:04] <[SLB]> it's not deterministic but if i run the command dht from the shell it always works
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[18:06] <[SLB]> when it works, this is how it looks like http://goo.gl/SvafE
[18:06] <dirty_d> [SLB], yea must be the code then
[18:06] <[SLB]> hm
[18:07] <steve_rox> anyone know how to repair a linux partiton on a sd card? i accedently knocked it while in use and now its unbootable
[18:07] <[SLB]> try fsck -fC
[18:07] <steve_rox> id think linux may have some chkdsk equvilent but i cant see anything
[18:08] <dirty_d> [SLB], you sure its not a problem with the code for that display?
[18:08] <dirty_d> what if you run this program so it prints to the screen
[18:08] <[SLB]> maybe i'm starting to wonder now
[18:08] <Essobi> [SLB]: neat.. what're you using?
[18:08] <[SLB]> let's see
[18:08] <steve_rox> i cant even get it to a command prompt to run this fsck thing
[18:08] <[SLB]> in software you mean Essobi?
[18:09] <Essobi> [SLB]: hardware..
[18:09] <Essobi> [SLB]: I see a some rh hardware there..
[18:09] <[SLB]> nokia 5110 display and a dht22 temp/humid sensor
[18:09] <Essobi> [SLB]: Ah, nice.
[18:09] <[SLB]> :)
[18:09] <Essobi> sparkfun?
[18:09] <[SLB]> ebay :3
[18:09] <[SLB]> cheaper
[18:09] <Essobi> noice
[18:09] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:09] <Essobi> How much?
[18:09] <steve_rox> i allways assumed the linux partitons were fragile with no way to repair em , so i made a backup , pitty its a bit out dated
[18:10] <[SLB]> the display was 3-4 euros and the sensor 4-5
[18:10] <Essobi> steve_rox: mount it in a VM.
[18:10] <steve_rox> i have no linux based os available in vmware
[18:10] <Essobi> [SLB]: I got a DS18S20 to hook up..
[18:10] <Essobi> steve_rox: ......
[18:10] <dirty_d> steve_rox, you need to set one up then
[18:10] <steve_rox> but if you wanna suggest a os
[18:11] <[SLB]> me too :)
[18:11] <Essobi> ubuntu 12.04
[18:11] <steve_rox> i shall attempt to install it
[18:11] <Essobi> [SLB]: And I've got a avr 328P I'm using to talk SPI to and fro... and reprogram.
[18:11] <[SLB]> eheh nice
[18:12] <steve_rox> downloading
[18:12] <lee> steve_rox: if you have an additional SD card and a USB SD card reader/writer, image an OS onto the new SD card, boot the pi, attach broken SD card and reader, then run fsck on it
[18:12] <Essobi> lee: Or that.
[18:12] <steve_rox> yeah i have a ext usb reader
[18:12] <Essobi> Supposedly there's a way to boot single user with a pulldown but I haven't confirmed it yet.
[18:13] <steve_rox> have to use it anyways since the card plastics got smashed a bit
[18:13] <dirty_d> Id like to make an avr xmega addon board
[18:13] <lee> steve_rox: or, on your main computer, download e.g. ubuntu 12.04, follow the instructions for making a bootable usb drive (it's point and click, dead easy), boot to it, and plug your SD card into the PC and run fsck on it from the live cd (saves having to install anything)
[18:13] <steve_rox> if only case designers dident let the sd stick out
[18:13] <steve_rox> im gonna attempt to install it on vmware
[18:14] <steve_rox> maybe live cd it vmware
[18:14] <steve_rox> im low on hdd space
[18:14] <lee> you don't need to install, all you want to do it run fsck
[18:14] <steve_rox> ill live cd it to vmware and do it that way
[18:14] <Essobi> Ya, that should work
[18:15] <steve_rox> hopefully the things i learnt in pi linux can be applyed in ubuntu a bit :-P
[18:15] <lee> I dunno how vmware (or virtualbox or whatever) will handle an sd card reader in a live environemnt, I would have thought it was easier to just reboot your PC
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[18:15] <steve_rox> reboot my pc?
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[18:16] <Essobi> Live boot the dvd he's saying..
[18:16] <steve_rox> ah
[18:16] <Essobi> On bare metal.
[18:16] <steve_rox> i dont really have any blank disks to make one
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[18:16] <lee> yes, 'burn' your USB stick with ubuntu on, make sure your PC is set to boot from USB, reboot, dead easy
[18:16] <steve_rox> be interesting to see if this disk image can be repaired i guess
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[18:18] <Essobi> My last one couldn't.
[18:18] <Essobi> The RPI ate the partition. it sucked.
[18:18] <steve_rox> flash is hell to repair once damaged
[18:18] <steve_rox> if it was magnetic platter based hdd you have more of a chance
[18:18] <dirty_d> the fastest interface between raspberrypi and an avr would be SPI right?
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[18:19] <Essobi> dirty_d: That's the conslusion I came to.
[18:19] <steve_rox> one the reasions im hesitant to trust ssd i guess
[18:19] <lee> if you've only knocked it out of place it's very unlikely that you've done permanent physical damage to the device
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[18:19] <dirty_d> Essobi, does avrdude support programming an avr over gpio yet?
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[18:20] <dirty_d> so you owuldnt need the usb programmer
[18:20] <lee> completely corrupting the data on it is possible (but unlikely, ext3 tends to be quite resilient)
[18:20] <Essobi> dirty_d: Sucks thou, running an avr at 3.3V causes the need for a clock redux or you need to level shift a 5V down to 3.3V.
[18:20] <Essobi> dirty_d: That's how I'm programming mine.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, you can program an avr from the pi via GPIO...
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[18:20] <dirty_d> Essobi, I use the xmegas tehy run on 3.3v at 32MHz
[18:20] <Essobi> dirty_d: noice
[18:20] <dirty_d> have you tried one?
[18:20] <Essobi> http://www.repyoblog.com/index.php/2012/10/raspberry-pi-with-avr-328p-using-spi-and-gpio/
[18:20] <Essobi> No sir.
[18:20] <dirty_d> you wont go back to the plain mega
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> I use avrdude for the atmega on the gertboard.
[18:21] <dirty_d> the peripherals are so much better and better organized
[18:21] <Essobi> My sd card DIAF, so I'm repieceing all the softrware back together.
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[18:22] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, the patched one i was reading about?
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> 3.3v atmega is 12MHz max...
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, very probably.
[18:22] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, atXmega
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, don't know about those - I've just been using standard 328/168's.
[18:23] <dirty_d> you should try them, they're very very nice
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> with a patched avrdude to program then via ICSP.
[18:23] <dirty_d> just as easy to program if not easier
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> one day...
[18:23] <dirty_d> and cheap
[18:23] <dirty_d> the one i tried was $3
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> how do they compare price wise to the 328's? cheaper or more?
[18:24] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: That's what I'm doing..
[18:24] <Essobi> And using the same SPI lines to communicate with the AVR.
[18:24] <dirty_d> and much more powerful and the peripherals are uncomparably better
[18:24] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: Got any code posted up?
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/initial-setup-of-the-atmega/
[18:24] <Essobi> nice
[18:24] <dirty_d> its a complete redesign of the mega
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> the codes been up for some time.
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> same instruction set/avr-gcc ?
[18:25] <dirty_d> yea
[18:25] <[SLB]> hm i think my problem is i first have to check whether the output of the dht command is a proper output, then strncpy should work as expected and everything should go well, let's see
[18:25] <dirty_d> they use the PDI programming interface though
[18:25] <dirty_d> not sure if thats been done on the rpi yet
[18:26] <dirty_d> worst case i just have to use the usb programmer
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> I've not looked, so don't really know.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> is there an arduino with the atxmega on-board?
[18:26] <dirty_d> i think so
[18:26] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: Oh, I've seen your page. Nice job, btw.
[18:26] <dirty_d> ive never used an arduino
[18:26] <Essobi> Nor I. :)
[18:27] <Essobi> Bare 328ps.
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[18:27] <dirty_d> i like to keep things simple and cheap
[18:28] <Essobi> dirty_d: Oh yea.. That's gordonDrogon avrdude I was using. :D
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[18:30] <dirty_d> whats the website?
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/arduino-ide-installation-isp/ is sort of the start of it.
[18:30] <dirty_d> so its only ISP?
[18:30] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: You do anything with was SPI yet?
[18:31] <Essobi> dirty_d: He's bitbanging ISP over RPI GPIOs.
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[18:31] <dirty_d> hmm, should be possible to do PDI
[18:31] <dirty_d> i would think
[18:31] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: .... sorry, I'll make sense now. You do much with SPI between the RPI/AVRs?
[18:32] <Essobi> dirty_d: Doesn't PDI have a much smaller device list supported?
[18:33] <dirty_d> yea
[18:33] <Essobi> dirty_d: Not sure with avrdude supports PDI..
[18:33] <dirty_d> the xmegas only support PDI though
[18:33] <dirty_d> no ISP
[18:33] <Essobi> Whaaaa?
[18:33] <dirty_d> yea
[18:33] <dirty_d> its their replacement for SPI
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, not done any spi to the atmegas at all sorry...
[18:33] <dirty_d> programming and debugging interface
[18:33] <dirty_d> uses3 wires
[18:33] <dirty_d> 4
[18:33] <dirty_d> ISP* i meant
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, it ought to be fairly straightforwards though - pretty simple to operate - all depednds on what you need to send/get ...
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, I've done some SPI on the Pi to the gertboard and an IO expander board (piface)
[18:34] <Essobi> Neat.
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[18:35] <Essobi> I had a simple loopback working before my card commited seppuku.
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[18:35] <Essobi> Need to get it back up again. May do that tonight.
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> and just fetch the wiringPi codes and have a look at the gertboard drivers for exmaples.
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> or fhe Pi side anyways.
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[18:36] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, how hard was it to modify avrdude?
[18:36] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: I assume the ringbuffer for the AVR SPI buffer is 1-byte wide?
[18:36] <dirty_d> i might give a go at adding PDI over GPIO
[18:37] <Essobi> dirty_d: Yea.. no idea if you can bigbang that. I knew SPI was possible cause I'd been doing it over parallel ports for sometime.
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[18:38] <dirty_d> Essobi, i see no reason it wouldnt be
[18:38] <dirty_d> theres a clock like and data line
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, you get all the source - I just applied a patch and set some defautls for the Pi...
[18:38] <dirty_d> so you should be able to have as low as a clock that you need to make it program reliably while being bitbanged
[18:38] <dirty_d> ok
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, the fifo in the hardware is 8 bytes deep - the kenel drive just keeps sending data if you give it data to send.
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[18:40] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, did avrdude already have gpio programming or is that what you added with the patch?
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[18:40] <steve_rox> fsck check fails
[18:40] <steve_rox> "the device is busy" aka screw you
[18:41] <lee> a) make sure the fs you're checking isn't mounted, b) make sure you're running fsck as root
[18:41] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: Wondering if there's a way to change the number of bytes considered a frame in the SPI.. so I could send 16 bytes before the AVR replied with 16 bytes, instead of 8.
[18:41] <[SLB]> unmount it steve_rox
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[18:41] <lee> e.g. if your device is /dev/sdd1, make sure "mount" doesn't mention /dev/sdd1, if it does then as root "umount /dev/sdd1"
[18:42] <steve_rox> i managed to dismount it
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[18:42] <steve_rox> and i told it to check it
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, the pi recieves as many bytes as it sends.
[18:42] <steve_rox> i have a little swerly icon now
[18:42] <steve_rox> "file system is clean"
[18:43] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: Right.. I'm thinking on the AVR side since it was slave.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I added the patch to do bit-banged ISP programming via generic linux /sys/class/gpio devices.
[18:43] <steve_rox> no "corrected errors now bugger off"
[18:43] <Essobi> Maybe the #avr guys will know.
[18:43] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, can you link me to it?
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, I've only used an atmega in spi master mode..
[18:43] <Essobi> Ah.
[18:44] <Essobi> Yea, I'm using the RPI as master and the avr as slave.
[18:44] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: So I guess wiringPi is slave only?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, http://project-downloads.drogon.net/gertboard/
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, the SPI code in wiringPi is *master* only.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, the only SPI code I've written for ATmegas has been master only - too.
[18:45] <Essobi> Roger that. Thanks.
[18:45] <Essobi> Ah, I see.
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> I've done a lot between the Pi/Linux and Arduinos via the serial bus - it's been fast enough at 115Kbaud for what I've needed it to do - just simple switching/sensing.
[18:57] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, is programming with gpio slow?
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[19:02] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's slower than using my USB programmer, but not that slow. 10 seconds for a smallish program?
[19:02] <dirty_d> ok, not bad
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[19:46] <[SLB]> hm do those nokia display have some kind of memory? it seems i get back a persistent pixel configuration of a past impression everytime the display is not being controlled
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> some displays from phones have a frame buffer
[19:47] <[SLB]> hm
[19:47] <[SLB]> not sure how to reset it
[19:48] <atouk> hammer?
[19:48] <[SLB]> lets try the other display i got
[19:48] <[SLB]> i guess that always work :3
[19:49] <Matt> SpeedEvil: that explains my n95's screen behavior :)
[19:51] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, PDI has to be >= 10kHz. think thats doable via GPIO?
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, should be - however if you're bit-banging, Linux might de-schedulle you.
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> can it be done via SPI, or is it some new weird bus?
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[19:53] <dirty_d> not sure
[19:54] <edh> (In case anyone didn't mean to miss it, Eben is on IET.tv right now.)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> have to say that that's the thing that really irritates me - why did they go and establish yet another proprietary interface when there were many existing ones that worked just fine.
[19:54] <Caver> PDI?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> http://xkcd.com/927/
[19:55] <dirty_d> truth
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[19:57] <dirty_d> yea screw this, ill just use my USB programmer, lol
[19:57] <dirty_d> i dont think avrdude knows how to talk PDI
[19:57] <dirty_d> it just sends high level commands to the programmer as far as i can tell
[19:58] <Matt> PDI?
[19:58] <dirty_d> avr programming and debugging interface
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[19:59] <dirty_d> lunch time
[20:00] <Matt> ahh
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[20:02] <Matt> so why a proprietry protocol, rather than, say, jtag? :)
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> He's not a good public speaker....
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> 400K Pi's.
[20:05] <des2> "standards are great, everybody should have one"
[20:06] <atouk> i have two. in case i don't like the response from the first one
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[20:10] <[SLB]> i can tell i'm very tired.. the echoing issue i had, was a running process left in background interferring with the display every delay() seconds :S
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[20:14] <lee> heh, couldn't agree more: "making a little dot move around the screen is nowhere near as interesting as it used to be"
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> don't underestimate the power of flashing light technology ;-)
[20:15] <yaMatt> ah, cool people are watching it too
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[20:16] <yaMatt> anyone in the room?
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> as in live?
[20:16] <yaMatt> yeah. in london
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[20:16] <des2> "LIVE WEBCAST: Inspiring future generations with open hardware - the Raspberry Pi"
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> not me ..
[20:17] <des2> Did I miss broadcom opening their stuff up ?
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> did they?
[20:17] <yaMatt> not that i saw
[20:17] <yaMatt> the NDA is until November I was told in November
[20:17] <yaMatt> err...
[20:18] <yaMatt> in September
[20:18] <lee> once more with english
[20:18] <yaMatt> on my phone :)
[20:18] <lee> ah =)
[20:19] <lee> lol
[20:20] <des2> http://tv.theiet.org/technology/infopro/15152.cfm#
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[20:20] <des2> For those that missed the live feed announcement.
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> 12K pibows!
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[20:22] <lee> anybody know which case is the most sealed and offers the least amount of ingress for unwanted crap?
[20:22] <atouk> imagind how many if they were attractive...
[20:22] <des2> Hard to be sealed.
[20:22] <imark> ive just been hacking my pibow with a craft knife, it doesnt fit quite with the new raspberry pi,
[20:22] <des2> Being that there's all these connectors
[20:23] <lee> yeah, I know there aren't going to be any that was watertight or anything, but something without unnecessary holes...
[20:23] <imark> i have a first run raspi and just bought one of the 512mb versions it the usb ports are slightly different shape causing the pibow to bend around it
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[20:23] <lee> basically, the fewer opportunities grease has to get in, the better
[20:24] <passstab> i'm getting a bunch of errors with rpi-update
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[20:24] <passstab> i'm using the darkbasic image
[20:24] <des2> 1 vs 2 : http://imgur.com/a/b6Gx0#0
[20:25] <des2> You can see they made changes around the connector for the mounting hole.
[20:25] <passstab> such as !DOCTYPE no such file or directory
[20:26] <des2> They also changed specific connector parts.
[20:26] <passstab> and $'/r' command not found
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[20:26] <passstab> can anyone help me?
[20:27] <des2> darkbasic ?
[20:28] <passstab> http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[20:28] <passstab> yes
[20:28] <lee> I was just thinking "microphones in chairs, what a great idea", until...
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[20:29] <yaMatt> its brlliant
[20:29] <yaMatt> but not fool proof
[20:30] <yaMatt> as you saw
[20:31] <des2> Is rpi-update compatible with minimal images ?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> microphone in chais work well - when the people know how to use them - I've used them in a big theater before.
[20:31] <lee> there you go des2
[20:31] <des2> Yes !
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> the ones I've used have a light in them too, so the 'chair' can see who's talking.
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> no PoE...
[20:32] <des2> "We're probably not going to make a POE Pi"
[20:32] <lee> that's not news though
[20:32] <des2> Right.
[20:32] <yaMatt> they need a "I'd like to talk" button
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> open source - sounding positive?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> the ones I've used only allow one talker at a time...
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> this is the council chamber in county hall, Devon...
[20:33] <yaMatt> its a shame you cant see the room
[20:33] <yaMatt> the ceiling is amazing
[20:35] <yaMatt> feels like a room where they would do government inquiries
[20:35] <des2> passstab Hexxeh is often here in the channel. If you see him here ask him about rpi-update.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> yaMatt, you're actually there?
[20:35] <yaMatt> yup
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> neat :)
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm just too far away to even thinking about popping into London )-:
[20:37] <des2> Pretty good streaming quality with not much bandwidth
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> yuk. fedora.
[20:40] <lee> really! tell me more about this website wot I has never heard of!
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[20:40] <passstab> des2, thanks
[20:40] <lee> I wonder who would be attending this without at least a basic knowledge of what the pi is
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[20:41] <gordonDrogon> you'd be amazed at who hasn't heard ot the Pi )-:
[20:41] <atouk> local rag reporters sent to cover it
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[20:42] <yaMatt> at the beginning Eben did a poll on who owned a pi and almost everyone pit their hand up
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[20:42] <yaMatt> put*
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> I'd sort of expect that.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> who's he...
[20:43] <yaMatt> i can see one guy asleep :D
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> question too long.
[20:43] <yaMatt> some older guy
[20:43] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[20:49] <des2> But it's a slow web browser....
[20:50] <Essobi> Herp.
[20:50] <Essobi> Have we gotten any closed to a GPU accel X driver?
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> eek. hes endorsing maplin ...
[20:50] <Essobi> *closer
[20:50] <des2> Progress is being made...
[20:50] <Essobi> des2: YAY.
[20:51] <des2> I think it was Liz that indicated work was progressing on that front.
[20:51] <Essobi> I wish there was a generalized math computation library available for number crunching too.
[20:51] <des2> What do you mean ?
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> there are many libraries avalable - but I am somewhat surprised there are no implementations for the GPU on the Pi.
[20:51] <Essobi> gpu math library I mean.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> nag, blas, etc.
[20:52] <des2> ah
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> I have worked for a gpu/mpp chip company in the past and that was a big chunk of our work...
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[20:52] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: Well, get on it. :D
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> so punters that had existing program that used these librarlies, just re-linked with out libraries that then used the chip for the grunt.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, I don't have the details on how the gpu works...
[20:53] <Essobi> Yea.. I know.. no one really does. :(
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> most of the time we just had beardys asking: I have this fortran program I wrote 30 years ago; make it go faster...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> and AIUI, the gpu was really aimed at more specialised graphicsy codecy stuff...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> so I'm not sure how it really would fare for doing generall stuff like FFTs, etc.
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> interesting comments about off-shoring...
[21:01] <des2> well they brought PI manufacturing back to the UK
[21:01] <des2> that was amazing enough
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> didn't make any mention of the import tax though.
[21:02] <yaMatt> basically thats rolled in to the cost savings
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> so essentially they're paying more tax, but can do the actual manufactur cheaper to counter it.
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[21:03] <yaMatt> they would have to pay duty on import on the Pi or components
[21:03] <atouk> might have a tax exclusion since it's a non profit/educational foundation
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> I understood that there was no tax to pay on ready-made devices from .cn...
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> that was their initial argument about getting it made in .cn.
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[21:05] <ironi> so who is running irssi on their RP? :)
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> quassel core here
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[21:18] <steve_rox> well ive been trying to install ubuntu to vmware for hours and the installer dont wanna know so screw it i spose
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[21:34] <linuxstb> steve_rox: You can't just download a pre-prepared ubuntu vm?
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[21:36] <steve_rox> im gonna copy a pre installed vm from main pc over
[21:37] <steve_rox> 3gb over bloody wifi
[21:37] <steve_rox> and ow my pi just electrcuted me a bit
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[21:41] <des2> Don't make it mad.
[21:41] <steve_rox> it was a fuzzy burny sensation
[21:42] <steve_rox> and there was buzzin on the headset i was using at time
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[21:44] <steve_rox> aghh again
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[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, are you using no-name power supply?
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[21:45] <steve_rox> possibly
[21:45] <atouk> shoouldn't be able to even feel 5v. sounds like you have a ground loop/bad ground/etc issue
[21:45] <steve_rox> its comeing off a power line to a lcd connected to it
[21:46] <steve_rox> sept im powering the lcd off a 5v line
[21:46] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: the hardware pwm... when at 1024 is it on solid, or a fairly high duty rate?
[21:46] <bagpuss_thecat> s/rate/cycle/
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I doubt that's it, but the cheap chinese power plugs are bad news. Engineers who design power supplies tend to throw the cheap ones straight in the bin.
[21:47] <bagpuss_thecat> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/switching-regulators/6727155/ <-- 5v switching regulator. Fantastic for running a Pi from
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Before they burn your house down or electrocute you
[21:47] <steve_rox> had one of them for a laptop off ebay
[21:47] <steve_rox> died in a month
[21:47] <steve_rox> i smashed it open and found death insde
[21:48] <steve_rox> so i decided aggenst repairing it
[21:49] <mumbles> I am useing a blackberry one on mine
[21:49] <home> |I need a case
[21:49] <home> I need more RASPBERRY PIs
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> the RS case is the best one I've seen so far.
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> bagpuss_thecat, should be solid.
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> if you don't intend on using the GPIO much
[21:50] <steve_rox> backing up the damaged sd image incase i can repair it later
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[21:53] <Datalink> hint, this is not a Pi accessory: http://youtu.be/8hwLHdBTQ7s
[21:54] <Armand> Does anyone have experience using Drupal on Pi, with the debian distro ?
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[21:55] <Datalink> Armand, considering Python runs just fine, it should go okay
[21:56] <LennyLinux> Can i plug in an external hard drive without the powered hub?
[21:56] <des2> No
[21:56] <Armand> I'm just thinking about the expected performance.. I know I'll be using the lightweight options, such as lighttpd.
[21:56] <des2> Unless it has an external power supply too.
[21:56] <nid0> ofc you can, if its a powered drive
[21:56] <Datalink> LennyLinux, it won't be able to provide enough power, if the HD has it's own power cord it will work
[21:56] <LennyLinux> Oh, ok thank you.
[21:56] <LennyLinux> :(
[21:56] <Datalink> Armand, a bit slow, but usable
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[21:57] <steve_rox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvuk_J7bfwY&list=UU8lG_V-Ckdv1_hkWqJ7b9mA - raspberry fail
[21:57] <Datalink> LennyLinux, no power cable, ehe?
[21:57] <steve_rox> - connecting a fan to the gpio
[21:57] <steve_rox> "why does it reboot"
[21:57] <LennyLinux> Datalink: yep.
[21:57] <steve_rox> :-P
[21:57] <Armand> Datalink, well.. it will be a low-demand personal webspace. :)
[21:57] <Armand> Blog/forum
[21:57] <Datalink> steve_rox, "dowl laptop..."
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[21:58] <steve_rox> yeah
[21:58] <steve_rox> hes drawing too much current
[21:58] <LennyLinux> I don't know even if they sell hd like that in this days.
[21:58] <steve_rox> "whys it reset?" :-P
[21:58] <Datalink> LennyLinux, enclosure
[21:58] <LennyLinux> these
[21:58] <Datalink> steve_rox, I'm waiting for that
[21:59] <Datalink> steve_rox, bonus, he's plugging it in with the unit on
[21:59] <dirty_d> steve_rox, too much current probably
[21:59] <Datalink> dirty_d, yeah, pretty much, he's drawing too much spike current
[22:00] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: cool, ta
[22:00] <steve_rox> im assumeing when the fan is initally started it draws more then when upto speed it levels off
[22:00] <steve_rox> then he wants to OC it
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[22:00] <bagpuss_thecat> will run them a fraction lower then. 12.5v supply to a 12v LED strip :-)
[22:00] <steve_rox> wonder if he will damage his main cpu/chip , it cant be good
[22:00] <Datalink> steve_rox, yeah, pretty much
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[22:01] <Datalink> steve_rox, OCing is safe, at certain points, he's got the right idea though... and sorry for caps here, DO NOT RUN FANS OFF THE PI POWER BUS
[22:01] <LennyLinux> I'd like to use rpi as torrent downloader server, would it work well in your opinion?
[22:02] <nid0> yes
[22:02] <ShiftPlusOne> should be able to handle something like rtorrent quite well.
[22:02] <steve_rox> i allways knew it was bad to draw power from the GPIO
[22:02] <Datalink> steve_rox, he's just exceeding the spike current, the caps get drained and the core gets starved then the pi resets because it's out of power spec
[22:02] <dirty_d> LennyLinux, yup
[22:02] <steve_rox> the power lines probly go directly thu the chip
[22:03] <steve_rox> in his pervious video i did voice my consern to him and i guess he ignored it
[22:03] <Datalink> steve_rox, actually the 5V goes through a 3.3v regulator, which fails if it drops below 4.4v
[22:03] <Datalink> steve_rox, ehe, let the guy fry it, maybe he'll learn something
[22:03] <Datalink> my first experience with electronics taught me 2 things...
[22:03] <steve_rox> maybe thats why he hasent posted a follow up vid
[22:04] <simula> heh
[22:04] <Datalink> 1. the workings of membrane switches, 2. taking apart nice xmas presents like a music keyboard gets you nothing but lego toys till the late teens
[22:04] <Datalink> my second one taught me that 120 volts AC really shouldn't be shorted...
[22:04] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[22:05] <Datalink> I was a very curious child... interpretation of what I mean by curious are up to debate though...
[22:05] <steve_rox> yeah i guess i was allways the type to be takeing things apart
[22:05] <rikkib> When the magic smoke comes out the part not longer works.
[22:05] <Datalink> oh, 3rd major lesson: 9 volt batteries do not recharge off mains
[22:05] <steve_rox> couldent put em back together but still it was interesting
[22:05] <Datalink> rikkib, hey that keyboard worked fine if I shorted the pads
[22:06] <Datalink> but no... "he broke it, take it away from him"
[22:06] <steve_rox> it was the designers fault
[22:06] <steve_rox> for not makeing it stronger
[22:07] <Datalink> steve_rox, nono, I pried the keys off... and ripped the membrane apart...
[22:07] <Datalink> I wanted to be a pianist as a kid... fact is, through that... I learned I acutally just want to be an EE...
[22:07] <steve_rox> oh , you crazy bugger :-)
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[22:07] <Datalink> I was 6 or 7 years old
[22:08] <steve_rox> oh well theres ya problem then
[22:08] <Datalink> I wanted to know how it worked and no one could tell me
[22:08] <steve_rox> my pi restore completed however im probly missing a hell of a lot of progs and files now
[22:08] <Datalink> steve_rox, sudo apt-get install is your friend :D
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[22:08] <steve_rox> yup
[22:09] <steve_rox> whats the update to update the main operateing system again? i forgot
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[22:09] <Datalink> sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:09] <steve_rox> thanks
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[22:11] <Datalink> np
[22:11] <home> I think I need to try Gentoo on the Rasp Pi
[22:11] <home> or Arch
[22:11] <home> what do you guys think?
[22:12] <Armand> Thank you, Datalink.. It seems my project is doable, once I have the money. :)
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[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Last time I tried, Arch was the best distro for me
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> (on pi)
[22:12] <Datalink> Armand, what did I facilitate?
[22:12] <home> Datalink: I am wondering that too, weird
[22:12] <Datalink> home, a lot of it is personal preference.
[22:13] <home> I need images :p
[22:13] <Datalink> home, oh I facilitate a lot of stuff....
[22:13] <Armand> Datalink, I want to build a solar webhost. :)
[22:13] <home> as long as I can run Python or G++
[22:13] <home> its all fine
[22:13] <home> I want to build a solar webhost!
[22:13] <Armand> ^_^
[22:13] <home> How to do it :D
[22:13] <home> telll XD
[22:13] <Armand> panel, battery, power regulators, Pi
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[22:13] <Datalink> Armand, haha, cool, the better guy for that would be one of the guys who's powered their pi from GPIO... my last attempt wasn't as successful as I'd like...
[22:14] <home> anyone done it yet?
[22:14] <Armand> yes
[22:14] <home> I powerd my RPi from GPIO
[22:14] <home> its doable
[22:14] <home> I don't recomend it tough
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> It doesn't work as expected when run off GPIO
[22:14] <LennyLinux> Do you feel to suggest to me which sd card's class i should choose ? 10 or 4 is enough? Thanks
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[22:14] <home> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, I got weird problems :D
[22:14] <home> but it does indeed work
[22:14] <home> I class 4
[22:15] <home> it works >.>
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[22:15] <steve_rox> wonder if theres a win32 prog to mount image files to drive letters
[22:15] <Armand> home, it's all quite doable, I think.. I just need to raise the funds. -_-
[22:15] <ShiftPlusOne> It 'works' but not properly. I would try also using the 'don't connect' as well.
[22:15] <LennyLinux> home: do you think a class 10 would boost the performance?
[22:16] <rikkib> I use Transcend 16 & 8 gb class 10 cards
[22:16] <home> Armand: How much are talking?
[22:16] <Armand> ?80
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[22:16] <Datalink> steve_rox, ext4 on windows is... slightly dangerous because windows filesystem mounting is so poorly documented
[22:16] <rikkib> I have 2 gb class 4 cards. The class 10 cards run a lot faster
[22:17] <Armand> I have the battery already.. that's a major cost off my mind. :)
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[22:17] <rikkib> The 2gb cards are for my stm32v
[22:17] <steve_rox> nah i just want to mount the image as a device in windows so vmware can link to it
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[22:18] <Armand> home, I could make it cheaper.. but my spec is accounting for future expansion.
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[22:18] <steve_rox> wow i just run streets of rage2 on the pi and its music is way too fast :-P
[22:18] <des2> dial down the rage.
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[22:19] <Datalink> steve_rox, I haven't touched vmware in years, so I'm not much help, I usually use virtualbox but again, years... I'd probably get a USB reader and go that route
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[22:20] <steve_rox> seems a hell of a complicated route just to fix a damaged sd card image
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[22:20] <steve_rox> ubuntu went completely nuts at it
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Is youtube working for people?
[22:21] <nid0> no
[22:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I am getting me some "500 Internal Server Error", I am panicing, I might actually have to do something productive.
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[22:22] <steve_rox> confermed
[22:22] <steve_rox> 500
[22:22] <nid0> also, dont spam refresh
[22:22] <Matt> yup, 500 here
[22:22] <nid0> I just did that, and seem now to have been blocked from youtube
[22:22] <Matt> and what looks like a base64 encoded error message
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne> blocked from youtube?
[22:23] <Matt> hrm
[22:23] <Matt> maybe not base64
[22:23] <Datalink> youtube works for me
[22:23] <steve_rox> if you have direct links to vid pages you can still view it
[22:23] <nid0> Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network. Please try your request again later. Why did this happen?
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne> works for me now
[22:23] <steve_rox> just the home page thats buggered
[22:23] <nid0> after about 20 refreshes and getting an error
[22:23] <steve_rox> they need more highly trained monkeys?
[22:24] <Datalink> may be a bad rollout of an update?
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> youtube is well known for they bad rollout of bad 'updates'
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> *their
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> subscriptions have been messed up for the last few days
[22:25] * SpeedEvil signs at the retarded android client
[22:25] <steve_rox> as in windows is there any way to change the process prioity in linux task manager ?
[22:25] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, yeah, you can change the 'niceness'
[22:25] <steve_rox> you messin with me ? ;-)
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> 'man nice' =)
[22:26] <steve_rox> oh wait
[22:26] <steve_rox> htop has it as a option
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[22:26] <steve_rox> linux has werid names for shit
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> 'no, of course you can't want to watch a video in portrait, even if you've explicitly locked orientation'
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, *points at the topic and at the Reggie*, language.
[22:27] <steve_rox> :-P i keep forgetting
[22:27] <steve_rox> im trying to smooth out this emulator using it
[22:27] <Armand> home, what's your plan for the solar Pi ?
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, why would you want to watch in portrait? I normally keep my phone locked in portrait, but find youtube ignoring that quite convenient, since that's the only time I use landscape.
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[22:30] <Datalink> yep, just hit the 502
[22:30] <Matt> steve_rox: priority under linux is a dynamic value, you're actually after changing the process niceness
[22:31] <steve_rox> it had no effect
[22:31] <steve_rox> i used htop to change it
[22:31] <Matt> steve_rox: you can do that in several ways, either when running a command on the commandline using the "nice" command; or using "renice" once it's running
[22:31] <Matt> or you can change it with top
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[22:32] <Matt> the higher the niceness value, the more likely that process is to surrender it's allocated CPU time to another process
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[22:32] <steve_rox> so your saying i should set the number lower?
[22:32] <Matt> if you want to make it more likely for that process to get CPU time, yes
[22:32] <steve_rox> i assumed higher would be desireable
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[22:32] <steve_rox> hmm ill try
[22:32] <Matt> niceness is a value between -19 and 20
[22:33] <home> Armand: whats my plan?
[22:33] <Matt> normal users can't go below 0, only root can set a value below 0
[22:33] <home> Armand: solar powered tablet? :P
[22:33] <Armand> :)
[22:33] <Armand> I want to build a webhost, for blog/forum.
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[22:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Has anyone actually come up with a plan? As in, with all of the calculations? Or do people just think they'll duct tape a panel to a pi and it will work?
[22:35] <Armand> home, have you found parts yet?
[22:35] <atouk> if it uses duct tape, it's got to work!
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[22:36] <Datalink> ShiftPlusOne, I'm still looking at boost converters and charge circuits for my project, I'm not quite at power in mine yet though
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[22:37] <Armand> Sorry, ShiftPlusOne.. was that directed to me?
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: lying down.
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: on my side.
[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, yeah, that one is a pain >_<
[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Armand, nuh, just a general bit of cynicism. I don't think it's practical if you want to run 24/7.
[22:38] <Armand> That's the idea..
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[22:40] <Armand> I've got a bulk of battery here.. and I'm over-speccing on the panel and charge regulator.
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Datalink, Armand , Hope it works, best of luck. But ~700amps is quite significant.
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[22:42] <Armand> The panel should do about 1.2a max, and the battery is more than good for it.
[22:43] <Armand> Of course, I've accounted for the variation from the panel.. hence a seriously over-weight battery. ;)
[22:43] <home> Armand: I have an old, monitor
[22:44] <home> Armand: a tablet, with wacom-penabled
[22:44] <Armand> :)
[22:44] <home> the tablet overheats
[22:44] <home> with 3 gigs ram
[22:44] <home> was thinking off using that >.>
[22:44] <home> but honestly, I think I should go fix that thing >.>
[22:44] <Armand> I'm not going to use a monitor, so that's no issue for me. :)
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[22:45] <Armand> I only need to power the Pi itself, with a wired link.
[22:46] <scummos> yeah screens are for people without ssh
[22:46] <Armand> ;)
[22:47] <Armand> My target is to build a rack of Pi hosts.. I just need to build the first one, once I can source that little bit of funding.
[22:49] <Comet> Armand: hot swappable Pis?
[22:49] <Comet> l-D
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[22:49] <Armand> Plausible, I think... but, that's not a consideration.
[22:50] <Armand> I have a server, which I'll use to make backup images of each host.
[22:50] <Comet> i'm thinking, 64 Pi's in a rack. somehow rig a GERT board to an iSCSI SAN.
[22:50] <Armand> Nice. :)
[22:51] <Comet> heh
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[22:51] <Armand> I've just got a chunky ML350 with U160 SCSI drives.
[22:51] <Comet> I wonder if you could use other IDE or SCSI based storage with a Pi?
[22:52] <Armand> Via USB or LAN, I'd guess..
[22:52] <nid0> nfs, iscsi, sshfs, aoe are all perfectly doable
[22:53] <Comet> LAN would probably be the most feasible. perhaps even just a diskless cluster
[22:53] <Comet> nfsboot and whatnot
[22:53] <Armand> Yeah
[22:53] <Armand> For mine, I want the nodes to host files locally.. but with the DB and backups on the ML350
[22:53] <Armand> files = content.
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[22:59] <Opinie> anyone know of an instance, where a raspberry pi died because of using the turbo mode in raspi-config?
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[23:04] <des2> considering the turbo mode scales back as temperature rises probably not.
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[23:04] <Opinie> sd corruption?
[23:05] <ryao> Which kernel.org kernels can support the Raspberry Pi without special patches?
[23:05] <Opinie> the only led that lights up is pwr
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> ryao, I suspect none of them.
[23:06] <home> Hey guys
[23:06] <ryao> What changes does the Raspberry Pi require to the upstream kernel and what is being done to get those changes upstreamed?
[23:06] <home> I want to sell these two PSP, and buy some Raspberry Pi's
[23:06] <home> do you guys know where I might be able to get some buyers?
[23:07] <Armand> Besides flEbay ?
[23:07] <home> Yeah
[23:07] <Armand> Errmm.. craigslist?
[23:08] <des2> sd corruption has happened to lots of people.
[23:08] <Armand> I need to get ?80 for my first unit, home.. real pain with no income. :(
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[23:09] <home> Armand: why
[23:09] <home> wow
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[23:09] <home> I want to sell those psps
[23:09] <home> and other stuff
[23:09] <Armand> lol
[23:09] <home> even got a router >.>
[23:09] <home> that is waiting to be sold
[23:09] <home> I could sell a lot of things
[23:09] <Armand> I've got jack that's worth selling. -_-
[23:09] <home> and get me some Pi's or even a beagleboard 0_0
[23:09] <Armand> I'm certainly not selling my ML350
[23:10] <Armand> Maybe the lesser one..
[23:11] <Opinie> des2: could sd corruption really affect this way, you reckon?
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[23:12] <des2> Only one way to find out. Re-image it.
[23:13] <Opinie> des2: working on that
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[23:13] <des2> SD image corruotion is much more likely than Pi hardware failure.
[23:13] <Opinie> mm, perhaps I was a little hopeful.. looking for an excuse to get one of those new model Bs
[23:14] <des2> ha!
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[23:14] <jaxdahl> can i assign a static IP with config.txt or cmdline.txt?
[23:14] <Armand> Opinie, buy 2 anyway.. and send me one.. ;)
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[23:15] <nid0> jaxdahl: yes
[23:16] <atouk> jax /etc/network/interfaces
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[23:16] <nid0> in /boot/cmdline.txt set ip=xx.xx.xx.xx
[23:16] <dirty_d> do any of you have subtitles working with omxplayer?
[23:16] <nid0> or ip=dhcp if you want to fetch a dhcp ip
[23:17] <Leestons> nid0: thanks to your help earlier I managed to set up a wordpress server, so thank you :)
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[23:29] <jaxdahl> nid0, i set ip=192.168.1.90 and set my laptop's to 192.168.1.85 with mask 255.255.255.0, don't get a response when pinging or SSHing
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[23:29] <nid0> check ifconfig on the pi
[23:30] <jaxdahl> nid0, i'm headless
[23:30] <jaxdahl> don't have hdmi handy in this room
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> anyone know about udev here? not a Pi problem, but my laptop isn't finding /dev/sda at boot time.
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> it boots fine, but udev doesb't create the /dev/sda entry )-:
[23:36] <scummos> maybe it's called differently? what do you want to do with /dev/sda at boot time?
[23:36] <scummos> did you try with /dev/disks/by-uuid?
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> nothing - it's afte boot time I want to see it, so I can run lilo.
[23:36] <scummos> oh you're using lilo (you're actually the first person I meet who uses lilo)
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> I've just upgraded it from lenny to squeeze. wish I'd not botthere now )-:
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> I've used lilo for 15 years.
[23:37] <[SLB]> jaxdahl, maybe this could help you? http://www.slblabs.com/2012/08/16/rpi-ssh-ip/
[23:37] <scummos> gordonDrogon: sorry, about the only thing I know about "device files at boot time" is "use uuids, not device names" :(
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> scummos, no wories I can boot in -b mode and fix it, but it's just a minor pain compared to everything else.
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[23:39] <dirty_d> any of you guys using torarin's omxplayer fork?
[23:39] <scummos> gordonDrogon: sorry, I have even less idea about lilo than I have about grub, I never used it. :(
[23:40] <Opinie> des2: yeah, it was just the sd??? damn..
[23:41] <yofel> gordonDrogon: what drive are you looking for? the SD card is called /dev/mmcblk0 on my board
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> yofel, this is not a Pi.
[23:41] <yofel> gordonDrogon: nvm me
[23:41] <yofel> I'm tired -.-
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:44] <dirty_d> how the hell do you message someone on github? lol
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[23:46] <srl295> for a memory split "16MB for video" is listed as "no video" but really means "text mode only", or am I missing something?
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[23:47] <srl295> on http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup
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[23:47] <des2> yeah text mode
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[23:48] <srl295> des2, thanks, because I wondered if I was going to just get a black screen on reboot
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