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IRC Log for 2012-10-19

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[0:03] <_OskaR_> Datalink - my problem was i was missing the php5-mysql
[0:03] <_OskaR_> solved with a grinn @#mysql
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[0:06] <_OskaR_> would need a debate on optimal mysql use on an RPI for minimum wear on the SD .. should be interesting :)
[0:06] <zleap> _OskaR_, could you not run the database off a external hard disk to avoid the wear on sd card
[0:07] <_OskaR_> i was leaning towards something like that..
[0:07] <Armand> That's my plan.
[0:07] <jaxdahl> thanks [SLB], doesn't really help me though since i can only edit the files in windows, i will just have to go back to my room where i have control over my router
[0:07] * chithead_ is now known as chithead
[0:07] <[SLB]> oh i thought you could edit the ext partition as well
[0:08] <_OskaR_> is it poss to edit the mysql cfn files to do sutch an change .. or ?
[0:08] <bircoe> or with the cost of SD cards you could just not care abotu the wear?
[0:09] <atouk> jax, which files do you need to edit
[0:09] <zleap> bircoe, when it crashes you will care
[0:09] <bircoe> what are they abotu 50 cents per GB these days?
[0:09] <_OskaR_> well then id ned to set a backup ...?
[0:09] <nid0> when it crashes in what, like 10 years?
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[0:09] <bircoe> zleap, if you leave an SQL database on an SD card without taking backups that's your problem...
[0:09] <nid0> will probably have advanced beyond using a pi by then
[0:10] <bircoe> if you have an SQL database with important info and you don't take backups your asking for trouble.
[0:10] <_OskaR_> could mysql be SET to dump a backup on a NAS ... on it's self ?
[0:10] <nid0> rsync + cron
[0:10] <_OskaR_> ah good point..
[0:10] <bircoe> not really but you can run scripts and ssh etc
[0:10] <_OskaR_> ok.
[0:11] <_OskaR_> cron is a good idea.. im gonna poke at that annyway.
[0:11] <zleap> bircoe, i know but if you're running something important maybe you need good hardware, if thast means normal hdd, for the db then that may be a better option sure backups are important
[0:11] <_OskaR_> data is only for trending historical.. so gaps are np. crom
[0:12] <_OskaR_> cron set rsync would work for me
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[0:13] <_OskaR_> tbh i could set the entire SD to read only.. less cron at and /var/
[0:13] <bircoe> hence why I don't run an SQL database on a Pi and SD card... but in the same sentence it would take years and years for an SD card to fail from writes, if you're doing weekly backups then you should be pretty well covered, there's the same potential for failure in hard drives tho...
[0:14] <_OskaR_> yepp.. hat level of risk i can survive.
[0:14] <_OskaR_> hat = that
[0:14] <atouk> use a thumb drive. make it portable
[0:14] <[SLB]> ^
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[0:14] <_OskaR_> mm noted..
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[0:16] <_OskaR_> ok. thx for the talk. its 00:16 so bedtime !
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[0:17] <ShiftPlusOne> That's a very specific bed time. O_o
[0:17] <[SLB]> lol
[0:18] <Armand> haha
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[0:22] * _OskaR_ hands ShiftPlusOne a half full glass of water...
[0:22] <_OskaR_> dont dip your fingers !
[0:22] <_OskaR_> ;-)
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[0:22] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
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[0:27] <steve_rox> a interesting pi hack i read about today was installing a pi into a network surge protector junction box so it could sniff all traffic :-P
[0:28] <atouk> that was on hackaday a while back
[0:28] <steve_rox> google news tends to echo news even 5 days after its released so it seems
[0:28] <steve_rox> gets very annoying
[0:28] <Armand> It's interesting..
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[0:29] <steve_rox> some news websites imply that rpi got ram upgrade to allow it to run android
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[0:29] <steve_rox> how they came out with that kinda seems wrong
[0:29] <des2> yes that's funny
[0:30] <des2> Because all the people that wanted more memory for their pi wanted to run android...
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[0:31] <steve_rox> dident someone on utube manage that?
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[0:40] <__machine> got my 512mb rpi today at 930! ordered it yesterday at 530pm! YAY!
[0:41] <]DMackey[> Damn.... nice
[0:41] <Cy-Gor> from where?
[0:41] <Armand> :D
[0:41] <]DMackey[> My 256mb Pi arrived today that I got for $25 shipped..
[0:42] <monkeyhybrid> __machine: where'd you order it from?
[0:42] * Armand wants the 512
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[0:43] <Armand> Just need the ?80 to build it. >_<
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[0:44] <__machine> monkeyhybrid: element14 australia
[0:44] <__machine> they had 1850 or so in stock
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[0:45] <des2> Nice
[0:45] <Cy-Gor> bah, still take forever to the US
[0:45] * Armand sighs
[0:45] <monkeyhybrid> ah ok. I'm in the UK here. I heard people were still waiting weeks for one so maybe it's better down under than it is here
[0:45] <]DMackey[> them BASTARDS!! Lol
[0:45] <des2> The Pi must not be well known in Australia.
[0:45] <grimpirate> I'm curious if anyone has encountered a problem changing the root password on the Arch Linux distro?
[0:45] <__machine> im surprised they had so many units in stock
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[0:46] <Armand> Don't suppose anyone wants to donate an unused Pi?
[0:47] <grimpirate> I'm still able to long in using a default user account, but attempting to fix the root password using sudo passwd root didn't help either
[0:47] <grimpirate> Any suggestions?
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[0:47] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the problem exactly?
[0:47] <grimpirate> Problem is I appear at tty1
[0:47] <grimpirate> It says login
[0:47] <grimpirate> I type in root
[0:47] <grimpirate> Type in the password
[0:48] <grimpirate> And I get a login incorrect attempt
[0:48] <grimpirate> Sorry, tty2 actually
[0:48] <grimpirate> I modified systemd to auto-login my default user in tty1
[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> and you're 100% sure the password is correct?
[0:49] <grimpirate> Yup
[0:49] <grimpirate> I've already changed it several times just to be sure
[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> can you 'sudo su'?
[0:49] <grimpirate> AND I even deleted it
[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> oh right
[0:49] <grimpirate> So it would require no password
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[0:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you couldn't get root at all.
[0:49] <grimpirate> I can get root using sudo yes
[0:50] <grimpirate> But when su asks for the password it fails
[0:50] <grimpirate> I manually removed the password from /etc/shadow as well
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[0:50] <grimpirate> rebooted and still nothing
[0:50] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea then, haven't used the distro in a long while.
[0:51] <grimpirate> No worries ShiftPlusOne, I appreciate the assist regardless
[0:51] <grimpirate> If anything I'll just rewrite the SD card and start from zero
[0:53] <dirty_d> why dont you just fix it on your pc?
[0:53] <grimpirate> How so dirty_d?
[0:54] <dirty_d> mount it
[0:54] <dirty_d> and use passwd
[0:54] <dirty_d> with -R
[0:57] <grimpirate> Which directory would I use?
[0:57] <grimpirate> The directory of the mounted drive?
[0:57] <dirty_d> where the rootfs is mounted
[0:58] <atouk> bad sd? now we know why grimp is irate
[0:58] <grimpirate> lol possibly atouk
[0:58] <Armand> lololol
[0:58] <grimpirate> Though the file does update
[0:59] <dirty_d> doesnt sound like an sdcard problem
[0:59] <dirty_d> sounds like you screwed up /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
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[1:01] <grimpirate> That's what I figured, but upon inspection it looks just fine
[1:02] <grimpirate> and again, using passwd fails
[1:02] <grimpirate> I would also assume if I'd screwed it up then my regular user grim would fail
[1:02] <grimpirate> But I can log in with grim just fine
[1:02] <atouk> is grim in sudoers?
[1:03] <grimpirate> yes, grim is a member of the whell group
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[1:07] <grimpirate> *wheel
[1:07] <grimpirate> I mean I can autologin root
[1:07] <grimpirate> Where there's no request for password
[1:07] <grimpirate> But otherwise... just broken
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[1:12] <grimpirate> Oh well, leave it for another day
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[1:14] <dirty_d> grimwhat f
[1:14] <dirty_d> blah
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[1:49] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Are you about?
[1:50] <bircoe> heh I was right... new bootloader available with 496MB mem split
[1:50] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[1:51] <bircoe> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/boot/arm496_start.elf
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[1:52] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, you rang?
[1:52] <rikkib> Hi spi information
[1:52] <rikkib> Looking for
[1:52] <gordonDrogon> right...
[1:53] <rikkib> Any quick links to
[1:53] <rikkib> cpol cphas
[1:53] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[1:53] <rikkib> settings etc
[1:53] <rikkib> I use spi on my stm32v
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[1:53] <gordonDrogon> then it's probably easier to download wiringPI and just look at the gertboard driver.
[1:53] <atouk> bircoe, have you got the 512 with latest firmware?
[1:53] <rikkib> and my S08
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[1:53] <rikkib> Ok thanks will do
[1:54] <bircoe> no haven't ordered one yet... just compiling OpenELEC and noticed the 496 elf
[1:54] <rikkib> My version is not up to date
[1:54] <atouk> ah
[1:54] <rikkib> How are you going to handle the new ver?
[1:54] <rikkib> changeover
[1:54] <gordonDrogon> git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
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[1:55] <gordonDrogon> the rev 2 hardware? the latest wiringPi works OK with it.
[1:55] <bircoe> but 496mb should make it snappier! make a nicer headless server
[1:55] <rikkib> and if it is run on a rev1 board?
[1:55] <Armand> bircoe, that's the one I want. :)
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[1:55] <atouk> gordon smart guy. he already have fix for board versions
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[1:56] <rikkib> ahh
[1:56] <bircoe> when this is done compiling can dump a copy in dropbox if you like?
[1:56] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi only need to know the board versions for it's own pin numbers - if you use the GPIO pin numbers then you need to work out your own mapping of 22-27, etc.
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[1:56] <rikkib> K
[1:56] <gordonDrogon> but there is a new function in wiringPi to return the board revision.
[1:57] <atouk> anyone here with a 512 with latest firmware?
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[1:58] * rikkib is poking around stm32 code today... Thinking on hooking more stuff onto my RPi
[1:58] <rikkib> of
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[1:59] <rikkib> Wish I could think of a use for my TMS320-P28016 DSP board
[2:00] <dirty_d> guitar amp
[2:00] <dirty_d> i mean effects
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[2:08] <monkeyhybrid> can someone mention my username in a message? I'm just setting up some notification in my IRC client and need to test it :)
[2:08] <ShiftPlusOne> monkeyhybrid, no
[2:08] <monkeyhybrid> :)
[2:08] <monkeyhybrid> cheers, working fine :)
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[2:09] <ShiftPlusOne> great
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[2:17] <PCLine_> Hello everyone.
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[2:54] <Leestons> Hate it when my internet craps out
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[2:58] <passstab> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Challenge/
[2:58] <passstab> did everyone see that?
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[3:07] <Leestons> didn't see that at all passstab
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[3:09] <Mehhh> Hexxeh, you here?
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[3:28] <Mehhh> About to do some MK802 surgery
[3:28] <Mehhh> Hexxeh, why u no here?!?!?!
[3:31] <Syliss> lol
[3:32] <Mehhh> oh snap, hey syliss
[3:32] <Syliss> oi
[3:32] <Mehhh> You from VA?
[3:33] <Syliss> nope
[3:33] <Mehhh> Heh, used to play Lax with a guy named syliss
[3:33] <Mehhh> in VA
[3:33] <Syliss> lax?
[3:34] <Mehhh> lacrosse
[3:35] <__machine> anyone know of a good usb dvb-t twin tuner that works with tvheadend on rpi?
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[3:36] <Syliss> Mehhh i live in cali
[3:36] <Mehhh> ah ah
[3:36] <Syliss> I've been using this nick for over 10 years tho
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[3:41] <Syliss> Mehhh how goes the modding
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[3:42] <Milos> What's the best method I can use to self-measure TP1 and TP2 voltages using an analog voltage reader, and then reading these? I assume via GPIO?
[3:43] <Milos> If anyone has done this in the past maybe they could chuck some tips.
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[3:52] <Mehhh> lame
[3:52] <Mehhh> i did a heat test
[3:52] <Mehhh> this A10 gets super super hot
[3:52] <Mehhh> like... how is this even able to be sold
[3:53] <Mehhh> Trying to figure out a way to take off some of the ports without a heat gun
[3:53] <Mehhh> possibly trim the board up?
[3:53] <Mehhh> i'll take a pic hold on
[4:00] <Mehhh> http://i.imgur.com/zwstL.jpg
[4:00] <Mehhh> So i know i have to trim more back on the plastic
[4:01] <Mehhh> that's why i wired the speaker wire behind the posts
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[4:02] <Mehhh> reverse side: http://pics.ncrmnt.org/cache/junk/mk802-teardown/2ceee47ebbdd981231ec5d7c0518937127c29dc6.jpg
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[4:03] <des2> Sounds like a job for dremel...
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[4:13] <slackguru> Can I ask a, what sounds to me, very absurd question?
[4:15] <des2> That's an absurd question
[4:15] <slackguru> Who sets the standards for hardware communications?
[4:15] <slackguru> I guess I actually have several questions...
[4:15] <des2> Whichever company(ies) come up with the standard.
[4:16] <home> ... Mehhh wtf?
[4:16] <Mehhh> ?
[4:16] <slackguru> So there is no industry wide standard so that component A can speak with component be through a bus of some sort?
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[4:17] <Mehhh> I need to remove the Micro HDMI female
[4:17] <Mehhh> :)
[4:17] <slackguru> nothing like a central repository of information that would detail which manufacturers use which registers...???
[4:17] <Dagger2> http://xkcd.com/927/ is rather applicable here
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[4:18] <des2> There is i2c and spi
[4:18] <des2> 2 popilar serial busses for communication between modules.
[4:19] <slackguru> LMAO
[4:19] <slackguru> to which does that RaspberryPi subscribe?
[4:19] <slackguru> I would assume 12c
[4:19] <des2> The Pi is a pogrammable computer with io ports.
[4:20] <des2> There are drivers for both.
[4:20] <slackguru> So it's "universal"/
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[4:21] <des2> An excellent resource for serial and the PI is GordonDrogon's stuff
[4:22] <des2> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
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[4:24] <Dagger2> looks like it has hardware SPI and i2c... plus generic GPIO pins so you could technically implement whatever in software
[4:25] <Dagger2> those two are the ones you see commonly when communicating between microcontrollers though
[4:25] <Dagger2> e.g. the Wiimote uses i2c between the remote and the nunchuck
[4:26] <des2> http://www.skpang.co.uk/blog/archives/575
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[4:28] <]DMackey[> Is it safe to Input the 5volts on the pin headers?
[4:28] <]DMackey[> instead of that damn micro B usb connector?
[4:29] <des2> It bypasses the input polyfuse
[4:29] <des2> Other than that it's ok.
[4:29] <]DMackey[> My Pi doesn't have the ploy fuses on it anyways.
[4:30] <]DMackey[> *poly
[4:32] <des2> They still do have the single input polyfuse that trips at 1.1A
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[4:33] <]DMackey[> That must be the one on the bottom then. F3
[4:34] <des2> Yes it is F3.
[4:34] <des2> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[4:34] <]DMackey[> Sweet, learn something new every dya
[4:34] <slackguru> The Pi is set up for full featured operating systems though, it's not like Android, right?
[4:34] <des2> They eliminated the 2 USB polyfuses because they were causing problems.
[4:35] <des2> Yes it runs full featured Linux.
[4:35] <]DMackey[> Ok got ya, Didn't know thats what they did.
[4:35] <des2> The only problem at the current time is lack of accelerated X drivers.
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[4:35] <des2> But that is being worked on.
[4:35] <]DMackey[> yeah X is a bit slow for sure.
[4:36] <]DMackey[> It chugs when playing that Stella Atari 2600 emulator I know that..
[4:36] <]DMackey[> I was playing asteroids the other night on it.
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[4:38] <des2> I played asteroids on the original 2600
[4:41] <slackguru> I owned an Atari before there was a 2600
[4:42] <slackguru> I ran a BBS on a TandyCoCo, a C64 and an Amiga when I was a kid in the late 70's
[4:42] <]DMackey[> I still OWN an A2600
[4:42] <]DMackey[> AND it's still hooked to my TV
[4:42] <slackguru> Wish I still had all the stuff I burned through.
[4:42] <traviscline> anyone know who's responsible for the arch distro?
[4:42] <des2> heh.
[4:43] <slackguru> My parents bought me the TRS80 for my "first computer", it wasn't much of a computer and they told me that they wouldn't buy another thing for it until I could show them I could do my homework on it.
[4:43] <slackguru> LMAO
[4:43] <des2> Who as in what person ?
[4:44] <wmat> traviscline: ask on #archlinux-arm
[4:44] <axion> his name is leming
[4:45] <des2> Or David Higham (pepedog) - RaspberryPi master. Also a huge financial supporter, a great developer, and a really active forum member that answers many, many questions.
[4:45] <des2> http://archlinuxarm.org/about/team
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[4:58] <wmat> how does this community feel about links on elinux.org to vendors selling things like SDCards with distributions preinstalled targetting the RPi?
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[5:01] <des2> I think if you can't write your own SD card the PI isn't for you.
[5:02] <tripgod> It's a qualifying test in itself.
[5:03] <des2> Especially when you'll have to do it again when the PI corrupts it.
[5:03] <tripgod> nonsense. Just buy another pre-loaded SD card.
[5:03] <des2> Or you realize you really wanted openelectric.
[5:03] <des2> Or RaspBMC
[5:04] <atouk> if the vendor says 'for' raspberry pi, then let him do it. if it uses the rasberry pi logo or implies it, then no
[5:04] <Mehhh> I don't see a problem with people saving others time
[5:04] <Mehhh> For instance Google employees pay people to build Ikea stuff
[5:04] <Mehhh> Their time is worth more
[5:05] <des2> It's not like you'll have to build it again in the future.
[5:05] <wmat> that's because Google employees are lazy ;)
[5:05] <Mehhh> ;)
[5:05] <des2> Furniture isn't an experimental computer.
[5:05] <tripgod> SD cards aren't an experimental computer either.
[5:05] <Mehhh> :D
[5:06] <atouk> besides, the only people buying preloaded are Mac users, and they need all the help they can get. they had a poor start into computers
[5:06] <Mehhh> Sort of like buying those microsd cards at walmart with music
[5:06] <des2> Perhaps we should take a poll and see who has installed an OS on their SD card and never had to rewrite it.
[5:06] <wmat> ok, well, I'll just let it go until there's massive complaints then
[5:06] <wmat> on elinux.org that is
[5:07] <tripgod> I have a Backtrack 3 modified for Eeepc on an SD card since 2008
[5:07] <tripgod> It's still in my eeepc
[5:07] <Mehhh> I bet you that the SD cards they are selling are still below the default prices of many stock SD cards
[5:07] <Mehhh> at certain websites
[5:08] <Mehhh> For instance, Fedex / Kinkos sells a 4GB SD card for 19.99
[5:08] <atouk> probobly vendors happy just to dump the 4 gig cards and selling them at break even
[5:08] <wmat> haha, really?
[5:08] <Mehhh> yuep
[5:08] <Mehhh> Ever buy an SD card at an airport?
[5:08] <Mehhh> 30-40$
[5:08] <Mehhh> from the vending machines
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[5:09] <des2> SD card vending machines ?
[5:09] <Mehhh> electronics vending machines
[5:09] <Mehhh> netbooks, PS vitas
[5:09] <des2> What is this Japan ?
[5:09] <Mehhh> power adapters, etc
[5:09] <Mehhh> USA
[5:09] <Mehhh> Boston airport
[5:09] <Mehhh> Providence RI
[5:09] <Mehhh> etc
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[5:11] <Mehhh> old news is old: http://www.yorkblog.com/smart/2009/03/16/airport-services/
[5:11] <des2> heh wow.
[5:13] <atouk> buy it at the airport. tsa breaks it at the airport. and the circle of life is complete
[5:13] <Mehhh> des, so the MK finally got here... still debating that link you found me
[5:13] <Mehhh> vs soldering
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[5:14] <Mehhh> Difficulty level? http://pics.ncrmnt.org/albums/junk/mk802-teardown/img_20120801_140757.jpg http://andreiprojects.blogspot.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-modding-atrix-lapdock.html
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[5:16] <des2> By the time you finish the $5 adapter could have arrived.
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[5:17] <]DMackey[> Lol
[5:17] <Mehhh> ? :<
[5:17] <des2> How good of a solderer are you ?
[5:17] <des2> And do you have a lighted magnifier ?
[5:18] <Mehhh> Decent, and i use a roach clip with an LED lit "owl" light mag thing
[5:18] <Mehhh> the business card sized thing ;)
[5:18] <des2> heh
[5:18] <des2> Those pins look small.
[5:18] <Mehhh> No heat gun though
[5:18] <Mehhh> yeh :\
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[5:20] <wiley> so if I wanted to drive a serial peripheral with a RPi (5V, 57600), I would need an external board to step up the voltage, but I could use the UART GPIO pins?
[5:22] <Mehhh> would it be easier just to solder the male mini hdmi like the romanian did with the full hdmi?
[5:22] <Mehhh> looks pretty easy when the wires are sep
[5:22] <des2> Yes wiley.
[5:23] <wiley> des2: awesome, thanks
[5:23] <des2> Ithink if you google wiley you will find several projects already using the uart.
[5:24] <des2> U was thinking that Mehhh
[5:24] <des2> I was
[5:24] <Mehhh> Rly?
[5:24] <des2> Yes.
[5:24] <Mehhh> :-D
[5:24] <des2> Sort of a compromise.
[5:25] <Mehhh> ::::: clapping hands to myself like a creeper :::::
[5:25] <des2> That way you don't damage your board if something goes wrong.
[5:25] <Mehhh> Plus, I could always convert it at a later date
[5:25] <Mehhh> with not much trouble
[5:27] <des2> wiley there's a good page. http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/01/raspberry-pi-serial-console-with-max3232cpe/
[5:27] <des2> http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
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[5:29] <AC`97> so, what is this "Increase limit on arm_freq" ?
[5:29] <AC`97> and "Allow overriding of scaling kernel"
[5:33] <des2> Sounds dangerous.Try it...
[5:33] <AC`97> ??
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[5:58] <__machine> just ran OE 2.0 on my RPi512 yay! :D
[5:58] <des2> Congrats.
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[6:02] <des2> Does sound work ?
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[6:07] <__machine> i didnt connect sound... im at work... just tried the composit video out... dont have autio cable or hdmi cable here :)
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[6:23] <DaQatz> Should I get a 512 pi?
[6:24] <cerjam> yes.
[6:24] <cerjam> 4 of them.
[6:24] <DaQatz> I already havea 256
[6:24] <DaQatz> Damn handy toy
[6:26] <cerjam> toy?
[6:26] <cerjam> TOY?
[6:26] <cerjam> it is by no means a toy.
[6:27] <des2> It's a dessert topping
[6:29] <home> cerjam: its a toy
[6:29] <hotwings> yup :)
[6:29] <cerjam> how dare you say its a toy
[6:29] <AC`97> it's a pony generator
[6:29] <tripgod> agreed. toy
[6:29] * hotwings has a feeling someone doesnt know what toy means ;)
[6:29] <AC`97> it's one of the most powerful toys you could get for your children
[6:29] <cerjam> i wouldnt let my children near it, are you nuts.
[6:29] <cerjam> theyd turn into a ... ...
[6:29] <AC`97> without having them blow their heads off
[6:29] <cerjam> ... a computer hacker.
[6:30] <cerjam> and install bonzai buddy and lunix onto it.
[6:30] <AC`97> lol
[6:30] <cerjam> 5points to anyone who gets the reference
[6:30] * AC`97 wins 5 points
[6:30] <AC`97> om nom nom
[6:30] <tripgod> and get on irc. You all know that's where hackers go to talk l33t
[6:30] <AC`97> ^
[6:30] <cerjam> wrong, theyll want to switch away from AOL to a more HACKER FRIENDLY ISP!
[6:31] <hotwings> mmm l33t hacker chat on irc
[6:31] <DaQatz> I am a hacker and I find that offensive.
[6:31] <tripgod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
[6:32] <cerjam> i miss numb3rs.
[6:32] <cerjam> cute cuddly elf fella from the santa clause was good in it.
[6:32] <home> meh
[6:32] <home> you guys are weird
[6:32] <cerjam> just kidding i dont really miss it.
[6:34] <atouk> that was one elf that really needed a gibbs smack
[6:34] <home> I sometimes wonder
[6:34] <home> just what the hell I want to do
[6:34] <home> how do you guys make the circuit for something like a RPI?
[6:35] <AC`97> you use wires.
[6:35] <atouk> depends on what kind of circuit
[6:36] <AC`97> you use conductive metals
[6:36] <atouk> finally tracked down that annoying white border around the temp meter
[6:36] <home> hmm
[6:36] <home> it sucks not having time
[6:36] <home> fml
[6:36] <atouk> buried in javascript i had to put through an online beautifier just so i could read it
[6:37] <home> I should probably code >.>
[6:37] <atouk> home, how old are you?
[6:37] <AC`97> 12.
[6:37] <home> 17
[6:37] * AC`97 was close
[6:37] <traviscline> i'm trying to build a kernel, I have CONFIG_CPU_V6 set in .confi gbut as soon as I run make my .config changes and instead I have in there and what not, ayone know where these values are comign from?
[6:37] <home> AC`97: you are probably 5
[6:37] <atouk> beleive me. you've got more time than you know
[6:37] <AC`97> :|
[6:37] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[6:37] <AC`97> i have plenty of time at work.
[6:37] <AC`97> i'm teh boss >:D
[6:38] <atouk> me too, and me too
[6:38] <atouk> but that's a problem in itself. more free time, less cash flow
[6:38] <home> traviscline: :o
[6:38] <AC`97> wot
[6:38] <AC`97> i thought more employees = more cash flow
[6:38] <AC`97> ... especially on payroll day
[6:38] <AC`97> D:
[6:38] <atouk> more employees = more expenses
[6:39] <Gorroth> atouk: if you use chrome or safari, the web dev tools let you beautify javascript
[6:39] <AC`97> cash flow goes both ways though, right? :P
[6:39] * ReggieUK (~ReggieUK@5aca5630.bb.sky.com) Quit ()
[6:39] <AC`97> also, i still haven't done ANY quarterly taxes yet :|
[6:40] <AC`97> i'm going to suffer next week.
[6:40] <atouk> i used an online one. code wasn't obcuscated, just no spaces, tabs, carriage returns, etc
[6:40] <AC`97> psh, that's how i code
[6:40] <atouk> me too. have to do the quarterly sales tax reports
[6:41] <AC`97> what's your average sales tax payment?
[6:41] <AC`97> mine is a bit above $2k
[6:41] <AC`97> sales tax went down earlier this year, but i'm still paying more D:
[6:41] <atouk> a bit below that lately
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[6:42] <atouk> had the worst 5 quarters in a row in 25 years
[6:42] <home> bleh
[6:42] <home> you oldies
[6:42] <AC`97> ... wot
[6:42] <AC`97> i thought i was 5.
[6:42] <home> playing with kids toys -.-
[6:42] <home> AC`97: close enough
[6:42] <atouk> don't blink too slow, you'll be there soon enough
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[6:43] <AC`97> home: did you see my pi?
[6:43] <AC`97> or my other toy.
[6:43] <home> are you the guy that hacked his pi, and posted a bunch of pics?
[6:43] <AC`97> er.. wuh?
[6:43] <home> and put it in his moto?
[6:44] <AC`97> ??
[6:44] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/ZJv0o ?
[6:45] <AC`97> i stick lots of stuff on my bike.
[6:45] <AC`97> http://s3.amazonaws.com/ffaup/sz02.jpg
[6:45] <atouk> http://69.118.23.127:8000
[6:45] <AC`97> that's one of the 2 GPS things i have on my bike
[6:45] <AC`97> i'll soon have 3.
[6:45] <atouk> need to get back to work on my bikes soon
[6:46] <AC`97> atouk: what pony do you have? :D
[6:46] <atouk> 2 yamaha XJ1100
[6:46] <AC`97> ... 2? O.o
[6:46] <atouk> yup bought one as a project bike and then another for parts.
[6:46] <AC`97> ah i see
[6:47] <atouk> put battery in parts bike and it started right up
[6:47] <AC`97> so now you have two :P
[6:47] <atouk> was going to give 2nd one to wife, but too heavy for her
[6:47] <AC`97> wot
[6:47] <AC`97> cruisers are low.
[6:47] <AC`97> -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6muBLuL3IeI
[6:47] <AC`97> yep. low. undroppable.
[6:48] <atouk> new rider. if she dumps or just lets if fall over....
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[6:49] <AC`97> i wish i had a muffler that could double as a stand :|
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[6:49] <atouk> what does your bike weigh
[6:50] <cheesenbiscuits> I wish I had a dog that could double as a guard
[6:50] <AC`97> er, my bike is... light? o.o
[6:50] * AC`97 looks up specs
[6:50] <AC`97> a bit above 310 pounds, i suppose
[6:50] <atouk> 560
[6:51] <AC`97> i want to try riding something over 800 pounds >:D
[6:51] <AC`97> and attempt a u-turn on my crowded street
[6:52] <]DMackey[> My 2003 Harley is 800lbs
[6:52] <]DMackey[> 1100lbs with my fat ass on it
[6:52] <AC`97> LOL
[6:52] <atouk> 560 pounds and 1100 CCs is a bit much for a new rider
[6:53] <]DMackey[> I went from a 1979 Kawasaki KZ650 to the harley
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[6:53] <atouk> let me rephrase a bit much for a GIRL rider
[6:53] <AC`97> wot
[6:54] <AC`97> at least it's not one of those 600cc rockets
[6:54] <AC`97> i actually wanted a 1986 VFR 750 for my first bike
[6:55] <AC`97> almost bought it too. should've bought it :|
[6:55] <atouk> i hate those things. lean to far forward sitting on it. handlebars are too short. they just don't sound right
[6:55] <AC`97> $900, mint. now they're $5.5k+
[6:55] <]DMackey[> AC'97, I always wanted one of those Hondas myself
[6:55] <cheesenbiscuits> If I've got a 256MB raspberry pi how hard would it be to desolder the chip and install 512MB?
[6:55] * ]DMackey[ wishes cheesenbiscuits good luck with that attempt
[6:55] <AC`97> cheesenbiscuits: desolder? easy. use a torch
[6:56] <]DMackey[> ROFL, so much for the magic smoke of all the rest of the board
[6:56] <cheesenbiscuits> I can do SMD.. I'm wondering is straight swap... 512mb chip for 256 or are the pin-outs diffrent?
[6:56] <AC`97> same.
[6:56] <atouk> if you really want to try, do it the fast way. throw in garbage and buy a 512
[6:56] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate though
[6:56] * cheesenbiscuits ponders
[6:57] <des2> You won't be soldering in new memory.
[6:57] <cheesenbiscuits> I'm a tight ass with too much free time
[6:57] <des2> Just buy a new and sell the old.
[6:57] <atouk> eliminate the desoldering and messing it up
[6:57] <atouk> unless you have experience with that type component and a hot air station, don't even try
[6:58] <cheesenbiscuits> O.K
[6:58] <cheesenbiscuits> thanks
[6:58] <AC`97> why not a torch? :|
[6:59] <cheesenbiscuits> like a heat gun?
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[6:59] <AC`97> like, oxygen + acetylene
[6:59] <AC`97> = pew pew pew
[7:00] <cheesenbiscuits> :-/
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[9:55] <Milos> Can I hot-swap between GPIO power and USB power?
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[10:22] <__red__> Greetings. Anyone know if you can inject 5V power into the Pi safely anywhere else on the board?
[10:22] <__red__> instead of the ghastly USB micro B
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[10:23] <nid0> there are gpio headers for that
[10:23] <nid0> or the usb ports if you're using a rev2 board
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[10:27] <__red__> so I can apply power at the headers? Awesome - thanks
[10:27] <nid0> make sure its regulated
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[10:30] <clonak> Hmmm, anyone got a recomendation on a media player for the Pi ?
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[10:40] <__red__> did the GPO ports change in the second rev?
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> __red__, inject 5v via the GPIO connector. just remember it's not subsequently fused on the board...
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> __red__, yes, 3 pins changed from rev 1 to rev 2.
[10:42] <__red__> I'm looking for authorative documentation
[10:42] <__red__> thanks for the validation, I figured it would be the case but wanted to be sure
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[10:43] <gordonDrogon> __red__, just google it - it was published on the raspberrypi.org website by Eben - you won't get more authoratitive than that.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> __red__, this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/ has the pinouts for rev 1 and rev 2 too.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> but that's my page, so it's as authoratative as you want it to be ;-)
[10:47] <__red__> haha
[10:47] <__red__> thanks :-
[10:47] <__red__> )
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> I have successfully powered a Pi by injecting 5v into the GPIO connector - from a set of batteries via a regulator.
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[10:50] <__machine> how can i install an rpi firmware update or config text file on the boot partition when i am running openelec? is there even a boot partition?
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> Consult the openelect documentation to see their recommended way?
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> (ie. I've no idea!)
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[11:01] <asaru> openelec has a boot partition
[11:01] <asaru> and you can just run rpi-update
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[11:02] <asaru> or
[11:02] <asaru> http://kmil.us/blog/2012/08/26/update-openelec-on-raspberry-pi/
[11:02] <asaru> that too
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[11:12] <bircoe> or build your own... you then get the most upto date copy plus the most upto date bootloader and kernel.
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[11:13] <Icoin> hi everyone, i try to compile the bitcoin daemon but i end up with a compilation error, was anyone successfull in doing that ?
[11:14] <des2> What OS, what error ?
[11:14] <Draylor> bitcoin on a pi? mmmkay
[11:15] <Icoin> rasprazor
[11:16] <Icoin> raspbian it seems to be impossible it ends up in kernel panic
[11:18] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=17551
[11:18] <des2> Someone compiled cpu miner.
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[11:22] <Icoin> des2: well cool, but a miner is a bit different than the bitcoin daemon
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[11:23] <Icoin> i just wanted to know if anyone was able to make it yet
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[11:25] <Icoin> thanks for the help anyway :)
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[11:28] <Tachyon`> the pi will be very slow for mining coins
[11:28] <Tachyon`> I'm almost certain the GPU won't be usable
[11:28] * yofel_ is now known as yofel
[11:30] <asaru> bitcoin miner software is multithreaded isnt it
[11:30] <asaru> what about a network of 100 pi's
[11:30] <nid0> you could just buy 1 graphics card for a tenth of the price and get 100x the performance
[11:30] <Icoin> Tachyon: its not about mining, its about running bitcoin-qt
[11:31] <Icoin> nid0: gpu are obsolete, actualy fpga is in use
[11:33] <Icoin> asaru: thats a bad idea since ASIC will come to the market in 2013
[11:33] <plugwash> Icoin, last I heard fpga offered better mhash/s/w but gpu offered better mhash/s/$
[11:34] <plugwash> has that changed?
[11:34] <Icoin> :) yes
[11:35] <Icoin> ok im compiling now but i get allways: standard input}:5060: Warning: swp{b} use is deprecated for this architecture
[11:36] <plugwash> that's only a warning don't worry about it
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[11:38] <Tachyon`> anyone know why an 8cm pc fan with 3 pin connector might not be running full speed with just 12v and gnd connected?
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[11:40] <des2> Have you verified 12v is really 12v ?
[11:40] <plugwash> Icoin, hmm the mining hardware comparison still seems to indicate the best GPU soloution as giving better mhash/s/$ than the best fpga soloution
[11:41] <Icoin> depends on how fast you run your fpga
[11:41] <Tachyon`> yup, it's actually 12.2
[11:42] <Tachyon`> with all 9 fans on and running
[11:42] <Tachyon`> however I did buy the cheapest 8cm fans ebuyer sold, perhaps they're just rubbish
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[11:42] <Tachyon`> wondered if the 3 pin ones need PCM on the third pin or anythign to gain full speed though?
[11:42] <des2> The 3rd pin is just for sensing rpm so shouldn't make any difference.
[11:42] <plugwash> though actually taking a closer look the prices for GPUs on the mining hardware comparison don't seem to take account of motherboard costs etc
[11:42] <plugwash> so that would put things pretty close
[11:43] <Tachyon`> ahh
[11:43] <Tachyon`> oh well, I've just bought a load of rubbish then, lol
[11:44] <des2> switch it for one of the ones that is running at full speed for the heck of it.
[11:44] * plugwash is highly sceptical about asic miners, I just don't see how the economics can make sense
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[11:47] <Tachyon`> I'd need 10 really, one of the revies says "As powerful as an asthmatic gnat"
[11:47] <Datalink|Zzz> note to self... when adding wicd-curses it helps to plug in wired network until wireless networks have been configured
[11:47] <des2> ha!
[11:47] * Datalink|Zzz is now known as Datalink
[11:47] <Datalink> I'm also working on setting my Arduino up as a serial console using my OLED display and the serial library
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[11:48] <des2> Arduino serial console. Cool.
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[11:49] <Datalink> yeah, if it goes right, I'll at least get the IP of the Pi through it, then I can go from there :P
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[11:49] <TheBadger> raspberry pi crashes after 5 minutes of use. nothing connected, fresh sd card image. TP voltage is 4.92, everything goes off except red led
[11:49] <TheBadger> rebooting solves problem then will crash again after 5 mins
[11:49] <Tachyon`> how powerful is your psu?
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[11:50] <Tachyon`> tp voltage may still be dropping under load
[11:50] <TheBadger> 5V/1A, been using it for months without problem
[11:50] <Tachyon`> oh okay
[11:50] <Tachyon`> I assume you've tried a different card/firmware
[11:50] <Tachyon`> to make sure nothing new has caused it to start crashing
[11:50] <TheBadger> I have reformatted the card but not tried a totally different card
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> I'd been using a 700mA charger for months without any issues until last week... I think I've worn it out.
[11:50] <TheBadger> you think it could be the card?
[11:50] <__red__>
[11:50] <Tachyon`> no
[11:51] <Tachyon`> I thought it might be the contents of the card
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[11:51] <Tachyon`> but if you'e replaced them it should be fine
[11:51] <TheBadger> oh right yeah 2 different images
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I also wonder if the new 'turbo' mode puts more stress on the PSU when it switches too.
[11:51] <TheBadger> only enabled turbo today and it was dying before that
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> bang goes that theory :)
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[11:51] <Tachyon`> oh, that reminds me
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[11:51] <Tachyon`> new big bang theory
[11:51] <TheBadger> YAY
[11:51] <teh_orph> lols
[11:52] <TheBadger> im gonna try this supply on a different raspberry pi but if that doesnt work i am out of ideas
[11:52] <Tachyon`> I'd be quite surprised if it were the pi itself
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[11:52] <TheBadger> infact ive tried 2 supplies just remembered.. hmm
[11:53] <TheBadger> i think i need to put a scope on the tp and monitor the voltage and when it crashes
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[11:53] <Tachyon`> yeah, that's what casued me to notice the first psu I got was rough as hell
[11:54] <Tachyon`> half a volt of ripple
[11:54] <__red__> ~
[11:54] <Tachyon`> and only 600mA when I bought it as 1A
[11:54] <Tachyon`> I had a lot of crashes with that one (and disappearing HDMI signal which also seems to be a symptom of voltage drop)
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[11:55] <TheBadger> Right awesome thanks, ill report back with findings
[11:55] <Datalink> all the stuff I go through, just to know what IP my device caught on the school network o.X
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[11:56] <Tachyon`> ifconfig?
[11:56] <Tachyon`> it'll tell you what adapters are active and what (if any) IP addresses they have
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[11:58] <gazzwi86> anyone managed to stream a webcam from the pi to there computeR?
[11:58] <Datalink> Tachyon`, at school this thing ends up headless
[11:58] <locutox> where is my rpi :(
[11:58] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to use ffmpeg to do so and having some trouble!
[11:58] <Tachyon`> oh right
[11:59] <Tachyon`> so you need the IP before you can connect to it
[11:59] <Datalink> Tachyon`, yep
[11:59] <Tachyon`> nmap on the school machine and keep a port open?
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[11:59] <Tachyon`> although actually, bad idea
[12:00] <Tachyon`> school admins may have odd thoughts about nmap use
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[12:03] <Datalink> problem with my idea... IP address does not display on boot console... blarg
[12:03] * Datalink sets up the serial console
[12:04] <Datalink> yep, totally failed to state the IP... I'll have to mod it
[12:05] <megatog615> does anyone know how to definitively turn off the screen blanking for the console?
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[12:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> megatog615 yes
[12:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> setterm -blank 0
[12:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> put that in /etc/rc.local
[12:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> before teh exit 0
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[12:11] <megatog615> ok
[12:11] <megatog615> how do i wake the console without a keyboard?
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[12:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> not sure if you can - why , what is it your tryign to do
[12:13] <megatog615> well it's been blanked for a long time
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> To do it 'correctly' you ought to edit /etc/kbd/config rather than hack commands into rc.local.
[12:13] <megatog615> i want to make it show htop or something
[12:14] <megatog615> my pi is nothing more than a fileserver at the moment so i have a monitor hooked up to it to show info
[12:14] <Datalink> I used /etc/kbd/config for mine, though it was a while ago
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> there is way to un-blank it without a keyboard (e.g. from ssh in) but my brain is not remember it right now )-:
[12:14] <megatog615> is there a program in debian that can show system information all in one screen?
[12:14] <_OskaR_ghost> Datalink - my problem was i was missing the php5-mysql
[12:14] <_OskaR_ghost> solved with a grinn @#mysql
[12:14] <Datalink> _OskaR_ghost, that's kind of a key part
[12:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> depends on what system info you want
[12:15] <_OskaR_ghost> yea :)
[12:15] <megatog615> i want it to show ip address, resources consumed, top, etc
[12:15] <megatog615> sort of like conky
[12:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha I see there is a blank_time=30 in the kbd file
[12:15] <megatog615> but for the console
[12:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> megatog615 - make a script to do it like you want want call it from watch
[12:16] <_OskaR_ghost> had a little talk here last night about optimising use of mysql VS. sd card use... anny thoughts on that this morning.. ?
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, no single program, but you can write a script - that's the joy of unix.
[12:16] <megatog615> yeah i'll probably end up doing that
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> megatog615, so write s script that outputs what you need, then use the 'watch' command to run it every few seconds.
[12:16] <Datalink> screen has the ability to show multiple virtual consoles at once on one screen
[12:17] <Datalink> stat monitors would probably, in the long run, end up consuming more resources than justified for the amount you're likely to watch it...
[12:18] <megatog615> well, i wonder if i can detect if the monitor is turned on
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[12:18] <nid0> _OskaR_ghost: whats your sql usage going to be?
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[12:20] <TheBadger> checked supply, changed supply, looked on scope, rock steady no noise, fluctuates between 4.95 and 5.03
[12:20] <TheBadger> crashed again, red led only during update
[12:21] <TheBadger> it crashes after about 5 mins every time now
[12:22] <Datalink> TheBadger, have you tried a second SD image?
[12:22] <_OskaR_ghost> nid0 for historical data on homeautomation 99% temperatures and humidity..
[12:23] <nid0> _OskaR_ghost: as in - expected writes/second, ratio of expected reads:writes
[12:23] <TheBadger> Datalink: yes twice
[12:23] <nid0> and expected database size
[12:23] <_OskaR_ghost> TheBadger - and a second SD card ?
[12:23] <TheBadger> new supply, new image, nice voltage, nothing connected at all, just pi on own.. crashes after 5 mins is situ atm
[12:23] <TheBadger> only thing ive not tried
[12:24] <_OskaR_ghost> hmm not sure yet nid0 .
[12:24] <Datalink> TheBadger, just Pi and power? and it does this?
[12:24] <TheBadger> yup
[12:24] <Datalink> did you OC?
[12:24] <TheBadger> OC?
[12:24] <Datalink> overclock
[12:24] <_OskaR_ghost> i guess it will parse data from the sensors within a few minutes...ie every 2-3-5 min or so
[12:24] <TheBadger> i did but it was doing this before overclock
[12:25] <Datalink> TheBadger, hm... strange
[12:25] <nid0> _OskaR_ghost: basically, if you're worried about sd card lifetime dont be, itll last far longer than youll be using the pi, for the amount of SQL workload a pi is capable of. on performance, if you're expecting a lot of reads, enable a query cache of a few MB, and adjust it up if needed to cache the majority of your queries.
[12:25] <Datalink> SD cards are rated for a few years of active use, aren't they?
[12:26] <_OskaR_ghost> thx - thats nice advice. .. that would be in the my.cfn ?
[12:26] <buZz> Datalink: not years, cycles
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[12:26] <buZz> write/read cycles
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[12:26] <nid0> _OskaR_ghost: If you're really worried about write performance and sd card writes, use innodb tables and set a buffer pool at least as big as the entire database (assuming its smaller than, say, 50MB) and almost all io will be to memory not disk
[12:26] <Datalink> buZz, well, a few years worth of cycles...
[12:26] <buZz> nah
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[12:26] <buZz> depends on your frequency
[12:27] <buZz> if you write something on it every second
[12:27] <nid0> Datalink: yes. Most SD cards are now in the order of 100,000-500,000 write cycles, with wear levelling
[12:27] <buZz> it WILL die within a year
[12:27] <nid0> if you write something to the sd card every second itll last decades
[12:27] <_OskaR_ghost> perfect .. yea il do.. inno..uses per default 128m. but i think i will tune it DOWN.
[12:27] <Datalink> nid0, thank you, that was the sort of response I was after
[12:27] <buZz> nid0: 3600*365 = ? :)
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[12:27] <_OskaR_ghost> me to.. :) cudos nid0
[12:27] <nid0> buZz: that assumes you're writing THE ENTIRE CARD every second
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[12:28] <Hoerie> 3600 * 24 * 365
[12:28] <buZz> Hoerie: oh, yeah
[12:28] <buZz> nid0: of course :D
[12:28] <buZz> well you only need the first couple sectors to be broken , for the entire card to break ;)
[12:28] <_OskaR_ghost> il sett some cron backup task annyway.
[12:29] <nid0> a 50MB database on an 8GB card raises that by a factor of 163
[12:29] <Hoerie> only if the only writes are to those 50mb
[12:30] <_OskaR_ghost> think i will be less 10mb.. (and yes 8gb cl4)
[12:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you are really worried then slap a small HD on via the usb
[12:30] <_OskaR_ghost> got one on nas .. so il just cron copy to it once a day.. thats plenty enough.
[12:31] <Hoerie> you could also have the db on the nas
[12:31] <nid0> ignoring the 2GB or so for the os, as the writes by the os itself are also pretty minimal, you can write that entire 10MB database to the remaining 6GB on your card a minimum of 61 million times
[12:31] <_OskaR_ghost> not sure a HD is mutch safer - by the math from nid0-.
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[12:32] <plugwash> This assumes good wear leveling
[12:32] <_OskaR_ghost> os is stripped down to ~1 gb as its headless.
[12:32] <nid0> sd cards have had good wear levelling for some time now, unless he's using a card from the stone age, thats not much of a concern
[12:32] <plugwash> while I think SD cards have some form of wear leveling i'm convinced it's nowhere near as advanced as that in a SSD
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> they're cheap enough to not care IMO ..
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[12:34] <yaMatt> I don't think the wear levelling in SD cards or SSDs are particularly complex
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[12:35] <yaMatt> it's essentially just "write this to a random part of the chip"
[12:36] <_OskaR_ghost> ok thx. il thinker on with my php & mysql setup .. :) have a good day & weekend
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> the card need to keep a map of which sectors haven't been written yet... but once every sector has been written once, it's game over.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> unless there is something like TRIM for SD cards...
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[12:37] <gordonDrogon> dd'ing an image to a while care more or less writes everything once... so it's game over from day 1.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> (odd typo there) dd'ing an image to a Sd card more or less writes everything once... so it's game over from day 1.
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[12:40] <plugwash> well the card should have some reserved blocks but yeah dding an image will considerablly reduce the area available for simple wear leveling
[12:40] <plugwash> proper SSDs get arround this by moving data that hasn't changed from time to time but I don't think SD cards do that
[12:41] <yaMatt> gordonDrogon, so a typical SD card has 5,000 IOPs or more so if you dd'd once a day it would still take you a number of years
[12:41] <FR^2> copy-on-write!
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> yaMatt, hey, I'm not complaining. I'll spend another fiver on a new one..
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[12:42] <plugwash> actually dding images regulally may actually improve the lifetime
[12:42] <yaMatt> heh, yeah, I understand, there is just a lot of fear which I personally don't think is justified
[12:43] <yaMatt> plugwash, how so?
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[12:43] <plugwash> because it will mean that the blocks that don't normally get changed can move arround the card
[12:44] <yaMatt> true
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> there are some storage devices that "know" the filesystem and can dynamically re-allocate blocks it knows the FS has deleted.
[12:45] <plugwash> I think dding a card once and then fiddling about repeatedly with a small area of it is about the worst case for a SD card.
[12:45] <plugwash> they simply were not designed for that workload
[12:45] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[12:45] <plugwash> they were designed for the kinds of workloads you get in cameras and similar
[12:45] <Nik05> hey guys is github down?
[12:45] <Nik05> my rpi-update gives an error
[12:46] <Nik05> error: The requested URL returned error: 403 while accessing http://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware.git/info/refs
[12:46] <Nik05> fatal: HTTP request failed
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> and oddly enough, cameras will more or less write the linearly until they're full...
[12:46] <Nik05> oh i think its working now
[12:47] <CelticTurnip> anyone got any info on the NetBSD port? I can't see to find any new info on NetBSD.org.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> CelticTurnip, Ah, you're the one other person using BSD these days ;-)
[12:48] <CelticTurnip> these days? I think I've been using BSD since about 94 :)
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> last of a dying breed...
[12:48] <CelticTurnip> I sure hope not, the UNIX-likes would suck without BSD :)
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> I used bsdi and freebsd in the early/mid 90's... but I was already using Linux, so never bothered to carry it on...
[12:48] <CelticTurnip> yeah I used Linux a bit, I much prefer the BSDs
[12:49] <CelticTurnip> well a lot actually, I just pretty BSD
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> I'm happy to completely ignore it now.
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[12:49] <CelticTurnip> no chance of that for me, I use OpenBSD and FreeBSD at work every day
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> it was a work situation I used the bsd's. Used to make routers out of them...
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[12:50] <yaMatt> the OpenWRT images were BSD based weren't they?
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[12:51] <CelticTurnip> I'd love to see an OpenBSD image, it's my favourite OS
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[12:51] <yaMatt> hmm.. maybe not
[12:51] <CelticTurnip> yeah I can't see it happening either :)
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[12:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Why would you use OpenBSD instead of just linux? I am not asking that in a "what the hell is wrong with you?" way, but actually wondering.
[12:54] <tzarc> usually comes down to familiarity
[12:55] <CelticTurnip> having used both for years and years I just prefer the BSD way of doing stuff, and OpenBSD is probably the nicest/cleanest Unix like available at the moment
[12:55] <BCMM> BSD is a bit more unixy in some respects, and openbsd is security focused, sometimes to the exclusion of everything else
[12:55] <des2> OpenBSD has a high security mandate
[12:56] <BCMM> openbsd developers are certifiably paranoid, and it's actually a good thing to have that sort of project around
[12:56] <BCMM> it's also a good thing that linux exists for actually getting stuff done
[12:57] <ShiftPlusOne> So there's no real significant advantage to either, other than different approaches to security?
[12:58] <BCMM> ShiftPlusOne: they're both portable unix-like operating systems, developed with substantially different philosophies
[12:58] <CelticTurnip> well there is the BSD base system, versus the Linux way of doing stuff... if security/stability are important thats a hell of a plus to the BSDs, OpenBSD in particular
[12:58] <BCMM> to the point that they are complementary rather than in competition
[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Hmm... think I'll give it a go in a VM. Thanks
[12:58] <BCMM> i'd say that both projects benefit from the other existing
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[12:59] <CelticTurnip> also BSD is UNIX, Linux is Linux :)
[12:59] <CelticTurnip> not that it matters, both are Open Source... but 1's grand father is actually UNIX
[13:00] <BCMM> both implement POSIX sufficiently well that any reasonable program designed to run on a POSIX OS runs on them
[13:00] <CelticTurnip> and I have a spare 512MB Pi so I'm just seeing if anyone's actually had any success with the NetBSD port (if it even exists yet)
[13:01] <des2> NetBSD still exists ?
[13:01] <BCMM> des2: ?
[13:01] <Dyskette> Of course. What else would you run on your toaster?
[13:01] <CelticTurnip> Windows 8 :P
[13:01] <BCMM> iirc, netbsd still runs on more different platforms than any other OS, ever
[13:01] <des2> It's been years since I've actually heard the name 'NetBSD'.
[13:02] <des2> I remember when nothing ran on as many things as netbad.
[13:02] <Dyskette> There's generally very little reason to run it unless the other BSDs don't support your platform.
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[13:02] <des2> But I got the impression it is now Linux that is ported to everey silly thing.
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[13:02] <BCMM> doesn't netBSD run on a bunch of embedded things you don't ever realise run unix?
[13:03] <CelticTurnip> that's pretty much every BSD (mainly due to licensing)
[13:03] <Dyskette> Yeah. Also lots of archaic and/or esoteric architectures that no-one has ever bothered to port anything else even slightly modern to
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[13:04] <BCMM> apparently netbsd runs on certain Apple products and a space stations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbsd#Examples_of_use
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[13:08] <teh_> hey folks, is it possible to get decently fluent xscreensaver running on the pi ?
[13:08] <BCMM> teh_: "fluent" meaning?
[13:09] <des2> Yes when X acceleration is finished ?
[13:09] <teh_> BCMM fluent meaning the images being fluid
[13:09] <BCMM> oh ok
[13:09] <BCMM> i imagine that a number of openGL hacks would need modification for GLES
[13:10] <teh_> dayummm
[13:10] <teh_> this device is so awesome yet so retardedly limited
[13:10] <CelticTurnip> :)
[13:11] <des2> the did you ever watch Seinfeld ?
[13:11] <teh_> you talking to me des2 ?
[13:11] <des2> oh sorry typo, Yes.
[13:11] <teh_> nope, foreigner - why ?
[13:12] <des2> Cause in the series whenever Jerry sees the character Newman he say his name in a manner that reflects complete disgust.
[13:12] <des2> That's how I think of Broadcom.
[13:12] <teh_> lol
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[13:17] <teh_> btw, i find the upgrade to 512mb neat yet not absolutely necessary
[13:17] <teh_> especially since the only avilable split seems to be 386/128
[13:17] <teh_> i'm very fine w/ my 240mb split
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[13:18] <teh_orph> if anyone has a spare 512MB model that'd be handy for my X work ;-)
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[13:20] <teh_> teh_orph if you get me glx drivers i'll drop the charges against identity ursurpation ;)
[13:20] <teh_> cz damn, glx would be a fucking BLAST on the pi
[13:20] <teh_orph> teh_ , lol I was here first
[13:20] <teh_> orly
[13:21] <teh_> registered jul 17th 2012
[13:21] <teh_> lol
[13:21] <teh_orph> registered feb :)
[13:21] <teh_> registered 2011
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[13:21] <buZz> newbies
[13:21] <teh_orph> registered 1999
[13:21] <buZz> :P
[13:21] <teh_> lol
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[13:22] <teh_> i am pissed at the owner of "teh" not responding to my ping
[13:22] <buZz> 13:23 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Jan 23 15:24:24 2003 (9 years, 38 weeks, 5 days, 19:57:38 ago)
[13:22] <teh_> i needs to talk him out of his nick, it's not his main one anyways
[13:22] <teh_> after all, i talked supreme_overlord out of his nick aswell
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> why not use your proper name?
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> but who am I to talk - I used to use the handle Irn-Bru many years ago..
[13:24] <buZz> buZz is just an abbrev. of my real name
[13:24] <nid0> my main handle on freenode's owned by someone else too :<
[13:25] <yaMatt> it's a big network
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> big world..
[13:28] <teh_> gordonDrogon you mean tehtrb ?
[13:28] <teh_> that's only for those who know me ;)
[13:29] <teh_> i went by the name of kim-jong for a while but many people didn't like it, i don't understand why, i think the nick rules
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[13:39] <Datalink> faking a psychotic world leader tends to be frowned upon...
[13:39] <Datalink> I'm out, school, peace
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[13:40] <teh_> meh
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[13:40] <teh_> still think it's awesome
[13:40] <teh_> maybe i'll get it when i turn fourty
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[13:46] <EastLight> kim-jong isn't necessarily a psychotic world leader anyway :)
[13:47] <EastLight> marxists can be quite reasonable
[13:48] * teh_ is a big fan of the website kimkongillookingatthings.com
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[13:50] <EastLight> does that site feature "the great successor" as well?
[13:51] <yaMatt> EastLight, KimKong? :D
[13:51] <EastLight> he meant kimjong I presume
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[13:52] <EastLight> http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/ fwiw
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[14:05] <teh_> nope, it's just il
[14:05] <teh_> un looks like rl cartman :D
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> http://www.wired.com/playbook/2012/10/lego-stratos-jump/ <--- so funny!
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> I hear red bull parodied that lego jump with a real human.
[14:11] <teh_> lol
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[14:22] <TheBadger> so my pi that kept dying is now completely fine.. I sprayed it with component freezer to see if it was heat related and it must have dislodged a bit of debris because its now fine
[14:23] <TheBadger> weird
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[14:23] <trijntje> I want to hook up a webcam to my RPi to spy on my pets when I'm not at home. Would it make sense to buy a high resolution webcam for this or would that be to heavy for a 256Mb model B ?
[14:24] <[SLB]> i tried 720p succesfully
[14:24] <teh_> [SLB] 1080 works just fine aswell
[14:25] <[SLB]> nice
[14:25] <teh_> trijntje i'd opt for the camera addon here
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[14:25] <teh_> is it already available ?
[14:26] <trijntje> teh_: what do you mean with camera addon?
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[14:26] <trijntje> [SLB]: that sounds great, thanks
[14:27] <[SLB]> :)
[14:27] <teh_> trijntje there's one in planning, the pi has a special connection to it, just above the sd card
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[14:27] <[SLB]> http://www.slblabs.com/2012/09/26/rpi-webcam-stream/
[14:28] <teh_> yeah, there's a lot of announcments about a 5mpx camera for the raspberry
[14:28] <teh_> altho it says october and i don't have it
[14:28] <steve_rox> i wanna do that pi cam time lapse thing but i havent figured out how yet
[14:28] <teh_> time lapse ?
[14:28] <steve_rox> ppl set em up to go off every 5 mins or whatedver
[14:28] <steve_rox> whatever
[14:29] <teh_> ic
[14:29] <steve_rox> and they make it into a vid
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[14:29] <steve_rox> would be interesting
[14:29] <teh_> well if the camera has to capture video 24/7 (which it should), your main area of cocern would be storage
[14:29] <teh_> *concern
[14:29] <trijntje> teh_: that sounds pretty interesting, thanks
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[14:34] <trijntje> [SLB]: thanks for the link, looks like it won't be to hard to set up!
[14:35] <[SLB]> yw :)
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[14:50] <teh_> has there been any voice set after ReggieUK ?
[14:50] <teh_> just modified some client settings
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[14:52] <diverdude> Hello...i have bought 2 raspberry pi. mm Do i need to buy RAM manually?
[14:52] <[SLB]> no
[14:52] <buZz> lol
[14:52] <diverdude> PS?
[14:52] <buZz> diverdude: just an SD card ;)
[14:52] <buZz> yes, a powersupply
[14:52] <buZz> you need that
[14:52] <diverdude> ahh SD ok...and PS, where do i get that? any shop?
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[14:53] <teh_> probably
[14:53] <buZz> diverdude: something with 5v and 700mA or moar
[14:53] <yaMatt> diverdude, you need a micro-usb cable which a lot of phones use these days
[14:53] <Matt> diverdude: check the wiki for SD cards that have already been tested
[14:53] <Matt> and don't buy a cheap knockoff charger as a power supply, go with something that you know is going to actually deliver what it claims
[14:54] <Matt> I'm running my pi from my kindle charger, but that's all I had around
[14:54] <buZz> http://www.ti.com/product/pth08080w
[14:54] <buZz> this one is WAY too good for raspi
[14:55] <diverdude> Matt: mmm how can i make sure the PS is ok then?
[14:55] <Leestons> I ordered this one diverdude, worked a treat for me
[14:56] <Leestons> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008BV3H2I/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
[14:56] <Leestons> but if it has the right connector, just look on the label to see if it's 5v and at least 700mA
[14:57] <Matt> diverdude: just get something from a reputable source
[14:57] <diverdude> Leestons: and what if its much more than 700mA?
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[14:57] <buZz> TI.com is very reputable
[14:57] <nid0> fwiw, everywhere that sells raspberry pi's also sells psu's and sd cards to go with them
[14:57] <buZz> diverdude: thats fine
[14:57] <Leestons> It's not a problem, it will just use that it needs diverdude
[14:57] <buZz> nid0: but not all actually work
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[14:58] <Benighted> Hello all
[14:58] <nid0> which ones? plenty of people seem to do fine with both the rs and farnell listed "goes with the pi" ones
[14:59] <buZz> nid0: i have heard the rs one at least sometimes is a fluke
[14:59] <buZz> and hardly supplies 4.7v
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[15:01] <Leestons> The one I got from Amazon worked fine and didn't cost too much.
[15:02] <teh_> i got a cheap-ass one from a nearby electronics store
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[15:02] <teh_> standard has 5v1a which is just what one needs
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[15:02] <buZz> well i need more than 1??
[15:02] <buZz> because i want to run LOADS of usb devices
[15:02] <teh_> anyone tried out mobile internet w/ raspberry ?
[15:02] <buZz> and a 5V CRT
[15:02] <teh_> buZz powered usb hub
[15:02] <buZz> _and_ a 3G stick
[15:02] <buZz> teh_: from battery
[15:02] <teh_> wow
[15:02] <teh_> sounds like you gots a project
[15:02] <teh_> !!!!
[15:02] <buZz> so i will just pump up the amp in the PSU
[15:03] <Leestons> I've seen an android tethered to one teh_
[15:03] <buZz> teh_: yeah
[15:03] <buZz> teh_: http://nurdspace.nl/Wearable_Computer
[15:03] <Amorsen> buZz, you want to power a hub plus those devices hanging off the hub?
[15:03] <buZz> Amorsen: yeah, and moar
[15:03] <Amorsen> buZz: Isn't is a lot easier to just power the hub? Still just one power supply
[15:03] <buZz> it will be one power supply, what are you getting at?
[15:04] <Amorsen> It seems a bit useless to send all that power through the Pi, when it needs to go through the hub anyway
[15:04] <teh_> buZz wow man, that is awesome !
[15:04] <buZz> Amorsen: oh, the raspi wont be the main power switch or something :P
[15:04] <teh_> keyboard may be a little problem tho :P
[15:04] <buZz> most power will just go straight to the device
[15:05] <buZz> teh_: the keyboard is working and finished
[15:05] <teh_> full keyboard ?
[15:05] <buZz> teh_: although i still want to make a new version
[15:05] <teh_> innit a little big ?
[15:05] <buZz> yes this keyboard is 3*127 keys
[15:05] <buZz> its a wrist frame
[15:05] <teh_> dude, this is so cool ....
[15:05] <buZz> ;)
[15:05] <buZz> all designs will go opensource
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[15:05] <buZz> once i have one working finished prototype of the entire project
[15:06] <teh_> be sure to hit me up with pictures of the whole thing
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[15:06] <buZz> teh_: sure ;)
[15:06] <buZz> http://www.flickr.com/photos/complete_bastiaan/3659553417/
[15:06] <buZz> old version
[15:06] <buZz> http://www.flickr.com/photos/complete_bastiaan/4401963770/ another old version
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[15:07] <teh_> bluetooth keyboard ?
[15:07] * buZz wearing the old version; http://www.flickr.com/photos/complete_bastiaan/3663128820/
[15:07] <teh_> dude, this is cooler than anything ever
[15:07] <buZz> meh
[15:07] <buZz> its old :)
[15:07] <teh_> head mounted display, u gots to be shitting me
[15:07] <buZz> wearable computing is a well known area of nerding
[15:07] <buZz> since the 80s
[15:08] <buZz> nowadays we can just get cooler tech :D
[15:08] <Leestons> Christmas coming up soon... "Dear Santa..."
[15:08] <buZz> and cheaper
[15:08] * Hodapp sticks an RPi in a baseball hat and puts it on buZz's head
[15:08] <Hodapp> YOU CAN WEAR A COMPUTER NOW!
[15:08] <Leestons> hahaha
[15:08] <buZz> Hodapp: i want to stick a CRT in a baseball hat
[15:08] <Hodapp> buZz: Errrrrr
[15:08] <buZz> Hodapp: as the screen for this wearable
[15:08] <buZz> with a beamsplitter as mirror underneath
[15:08] <Hodapp> I'd be more worried about the radiation from that than the size or weight
[15:08] <buZz> the CRT is just 1cm diameter
[15:09] <buZz> i could add some metal ;)
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> CRT radiation s generally unmeasurable
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[15:09] <SpeedEvil> for tiny CRTs, entirely.
[15:09] <Leestons> Just be worried when you start growing a second head.
[15:09] <Hodapp> entirely what?
[15:09] <buZz> unmeasurable
[15:09] <buZz> Hodapp: hey, received my package yet? :D
[15:10] <buZz> Hodapp: i hope some US customs is looking at it and not knowing wtf it is :P
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[15:10] <Hodapp> hmmm I don't think so >_> I may check tonight
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> their EHT is 1kv or so, the energy of the produced xrays is s small it's entirely absorbed by he glass
[15:10] <buZz> the glass has lead inside :)
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[15:11] <Hodapp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hodapple/8101671216/in/photostream . . . hmm, my attempt #2 at black & white conversion... I still need a lot of practice
[15:12] <buZz> nice :)
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[15:13] <Benighted> Anyone here have any good tips on getting an SD card working that has mmcblk0 timeouts?
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> replace it.
[15:14] <Leestons> Well, that's always an option.
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> or you might try slowing down the clock
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> if it's started doing it, when it did not before, then urgently replace
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[15:14] <teh_orph> it could just be corruption on the card?
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[15:15] <teh_orph> I have MMC errors until I re-image
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> SD cards can error in weird and unpredictable ways.
[15:15] <Benighted> it's weird, it boots raspbmc fine then when it reboots I get the error
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> they are not block devices, only pretend to be
[15:15] <Benighted> if I backup my sandisk raspbmc image and place it onto the drive it works
[15:16] <teh_orph> imaged after it's failed or before it's failed?
[15:16] <Benighted> same issue with slackware 14
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> buZz, http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/televisions/tv80.htm
[15:17] <buZz> very cool :)
[15:17] <Benighted> sorry to clarify captured image from a fully working and functional sandisk raspbmc install to the problematic sd card works
[15:17] <buZz> sony also made devices like that
[15:17] <Benighted> the problematic sd also boots raspbmc fine, but after install & reboot corrupts again
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[15:18] <teh_> sry buZz , my connection died
[15:19] <buZz> buy a new one!
[15:19] <teh_> i just switched from my friend's vm to my raspberry
[15:19] <teh_> see how that works out :)
[15:19] <Benighted> speedevil: how would I go about slowing down the clock?
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[15:19] <teh_> the device is ideal for the server box, seeing the power consumption
[15:19] <teh_> *for a
[15:19] <buZz> teh_: did you see, you can host a raspi in a datacenter for free
[15:19] <buZz> for a year
[15:20] <teh_> yes buZz , but that's nothing for me
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> not for free
[15:20] <teh_> i like my hardware accessible :)
[15:20] <buZz> yes for free
[15:20] <buZz> you have to pay for shipping
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> 10euros or so to get it back, plus postage
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> so 15e or so
[15:20] <buZz> no, incl shippiung
[15:20] <buZz> -u
[15:20] <buZz> you can HOST it for free
[15:21] <buZz> still have to pay for shipping yes
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> sure.
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> I am of the general position that if anyone says 'free' anywhere in an ad, without qualifying it in as large print elsewhere, they should not be able to make any charge for the service at mall.
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> all
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> 'free broadband for 3 months*'
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> * (in tiny print) if you sign a 24 month contract
[15:23] <teh_> but that's the art of advertising
[15:23] <teh_> to make you want something you didn't know existed before
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> stuppid people are people too.
[15:23] <Benighted> lol
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2011/10/21/a-blog-in-support-of-stupid-peoples-rights-probably-the-most-important-blog-ive-ever-written/
[15:24] <teh_> lol
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> not kidding, even the tiniest little bit.
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> misleading ads target the vulnerable, as well as the careless.
[15:26] <Benighted> modern day society blurs the lines between stupid, and ignorant
[15:26] <teh_> lol ofc
[15:26] <teh_> the reason for all the viagra spam is also bc it works
[15:26] <Benighted> stupid is conscious ignorance, there is a subtle difference
[15:26] <teh_> oh yeah
[15:27] <teh_> i'm sure there's a lot of stupid idiots who choose or chose to remain stupid
[15:27] <Benighted> I agree that ignorant people shouldn't be blamed for ignorance, but willful ignorance is just stupid /endrant
[15:27] <Leestons> "Shove your ???Mini-Armchair Revolution??? up your arse." hahahaha
[15:27] <Benighted> I lol'd too
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> wilfully ignorant, fair enough.
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[15:28] <SpeedEvil> old, cognitive problems, ...
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[15:29] <SpeedEvil> the offer mentioned above is clearly not a real issue. it just hit one of my buttons
[15:30] <Benighted> that's fair
[15:32] <Benighted> ugh, why do these sd cards work just enough to make me continue working on them?? lol
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[15:33] <Benighted> I'm using class 4's, have 2 class 10's that are collecting dust unless I can figure this out :/
[15:33] <Benighted> and I have 2 raspberry pi's
[15:35] <Benighted> anyone know how to clear "SG_IO: bad/missing sense data, sb[]" using hdparm?
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[15:41] <esters> hello, has anyone stumbled upon the issue when raspberrypi is not booting after the latest firmware update ? the PWR led turns on, OK leds blinks for a second and then dissapears
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[15:45] <[SLB]> maybe github was down earlier again, esters you might want to check the files in /boot
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[15:49] <bircoe> you may need to update the kernel when you update the firmware... how did you update the formware?
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[15:50] <Benighted> you can try an offline firmware update
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[15:52] <esters> I did it via package manager, running Arch Linux
[15:52] <esters> After the reboot, the device became as it is now
[15:52] <Benighted> ah, yeah don't think the new firmware plays nice with Arch, bricked my install of it too
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> Top Tip: Recreate a zombie film by setting off the fire alarms at 8am at the local student halls then waiting outside with a baseball bat. (from twitter)
[15:53] <Benighted> haven't got around to it as I'm debugging a couple class 10 microSDHC's that decide to work sometimes
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[15:57] <esters> Benighted any solutions you've come so far ?
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[15:58] <Benighted> esters regarding Arch or cards?
[15:59] <esters> both
[15:59] <esters> it was working perfectly yesterday, now after the latest kernel / firmware upgrade it doesnt boot
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[16:00] <[SLB]> do you have /boot.bak?
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[16:01] <esters> [SLB] no I do not
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[16:01] <[SLB]> maybe you can download the files from here and copy them in /boot manually https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
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[16:02] <[SLB]> the appropriate .elf file renamed to start.elf, *.bin and *.img files
[16:03] <Benighted> before that, have you tried removing the card and booting the pi without it present, then replacing?
[16:03] <[SLB]> i just updated btw
[16:03] <[SLB]> ah sorry that's arch? i have raspbian
[16:04] <esters> Arch
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[16:05] <Benighted> esters you have a card reader you can pop it into? if it didn't corrupt the disk I believe you can selectively replace versions of firmware using the offline update
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[16:06] <Benighted> I've heard a few people mention problems about /boot not being found, but this is caused by calling rpi-update before setting ROOT_PATH & BOOT_PATH
[16:06] <esters> Benighted i have a sd card reader
[16:06] <esters> I tried to replace the /boot files from a previous commit in github
[16:06] <esters> but it didnt do any good
[16:07] <Benighted> from what I understand just replacing the files won't do it
[16:08] <Benighted> on your machine with sdcard reader run "sudo ROOT_PATH=/media/root BOOT_PATH=/media/boot rpi-update <split optional>"
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[16:09] <esters> Benighted wont work on windows : )
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[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't think that would work
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> don't see why it wouldn't work :)
[16:15] <Weaselweb> is opengl 2.0 (ES) supported on rpi?
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Neither, just didn't expect it to
[16:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Weaselweb, yes
[16:16] <Weaselweb> ShiftPlusOne: so, some binary blob x11 driver?
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't remember the specifics
[16:17] <ShiftPlusOne> It's there and it works fine... all I need to know =)
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, I don't think it's anything to do with x11, but a binary driver would be correct - a stub library, then "proprietaryness".
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[16:20] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: well, I'm asking because qt5 requires it. I would like to experiment with wayland
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[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure about wayland, but qt5 works
[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi#Qt5_Platform_Plugin
[16:24] <Weaselweb> sounds good so far
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[16:40] <Benighted> Anyone know why I kickoff an raspbmc install on this SD card without issue, and halfway through get 'controller never released inhibit bits'?
[16:40] * ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox
[16:40] <Benighted> At this rate I'm going to kill the cards experimenting with hdparm before I ever find a solution haha
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I think i recall someone 'fixing' that by using a different power supply, but I might have just made it up.
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[16:44] * linuxstb gets an email from Farnell saying his Pi will not be shipped until w/c 12 November (could be worse of course...)
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[16:45] <[SLB]> wut 1 month?
[16:45] <[SLB]> :\
[16:46] <linuxstb> Yes, I'm used to Farnell shipping within a week
[16:49] <[SLB]> maybe the demand of the new pi's is increasing
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[16:53] <Benighted> at least you guys can order one, newark elements disabled ordering :(
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[16:53] <[SLB]> oh why
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[16:55] <Benighted> demand I guess
[16:55] <Benighted> I am kicking myself, when I saw it available was SOOO close to ordering it
[16:56] <Benighted> I have 2 already though, and it's getting harder to justify all these purchases
[16:56] <Benighted> wifey no likey
[16:56] <Benighted> since getting the pi around a month ago my avg bedtime is around 6am now
[16:57] <esters> heh, lucky those who will have 512mb version, im stuck with the first generation one
[16:57] <Benighted> hmm, wonder if I could do a load balancing cluster with my 2 pi's
[16:57] <[SLB]> i'll probably buy a new one as well
[16:58] <[SLB]> meanwhile got this running ehe http://goo.gl/MrPai
[16:59] <atouk> ooh it's blue...
[16:59] <[SLB]> \o/
[16:59] <[SLB]> it's cool but it's less readable than the other white one i have
[16:59] <[SLB]> still cool :3
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[17:03] <Leestons> looks cool [SLB]
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[17:03] <[SLB]> ty :)
[17:04] <Leestons> I want to use my pi more but my keyboard is dodgy...
[17:04] <Leestons> Royal pain in the arse when you can't type underscores
[17:04] <[SLB]> i rarely use the usb keyb, mainly ssh into it from here
[17:05] <Leestons> I mainly ssh into it because of the keyboard.
[17:05] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@5aca8d1f.bb.sky.com
[17:05] * Leestons was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[17:07] <ReggieUK> pro tip, if an OP pms you about foul language you'd be wise to at least answer
[17:09] <tero> this is stupid
[17:09] <tero> to ban people because they say a-word :(
[17:09] <ReggieUK> actually tero, you should stop yourself right there
[17:09] <ReggieUK> it was for stuff said yesterday
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[17:12] <Benighted> sd card drive state stuck in standby, any suggestions?
[17:12] <Benighted> tried hdparm -S0 -C /dev/sdb, set standby to off, but still in standby
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[17:47] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[17:47] <SSilver2k2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNLtsuNVaDU&feature=youtu.be
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[17:47] <SSilver2k2> got a Raspberry Pi web server running an LCARS itnerface that controls our lights via Arduino
[17:48] <Benighted> anyone else on here using patriot LX 16GB cards?
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[18:04] <zhulikas> does anyone have a case from RS Components?
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[18:04] <zhulikas> how am I supposed to fit rpi there
[18:04] <zhulikas> I'm afraid to break it :)
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[18:07] <axion> just ordered one of these...anyone have one?
[18:07] <axion> http://www.polycase.com/uploads/291841347653917.flv
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[18:13] * Lexip is not download suspicious flv's
[18:14] <Lexip> :(
[18:14] <axion> ok link to source: http://www.polycase.com/pi-series
[18:14] <PReDiToR> Seems legit.
[18:14] <hotwings> me either
[18:14] <hotwings> flv url = not clicking
[18:14] <PReDiToR> http://www.polycase.com/pi-series
[18:14] <PReDiToR> Safe URL
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[18:15] <hotwings> $16.42 + shipping for that case? HELL NO
[18:15] <PReDiToR> It looks nice, but ?8 seems about right.
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[18:15] <PReDiToR> Delivered.
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[18:16] <Lexip> Hell no? You live on the street or something?
[18:17] <Lexip> 16 is nothing for a case that good looking :P
[18:17] <axion> with light tubes and all
[18:17] <Lexip> Myself I'd prefer a case that 'moved' all the connectors to the back, modem style.
[18:17] <atouk> nice looking case
[18:18] <Lexip> I dislike the look of the pi pooping wires in all directions
[18:18] <hotwings> Lexip - nope.. just not into being ripped off
[18:18] <axion> me too, i bought their trapezoid case and put a usb hub, pi, and 2.5" hdd in it and wired them all through cut holes in the removable backplate
[18:18] <axion> this is for my portable pi though
[18:18] <Benighted> anyone get the vesa mountable?
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[18:21] <Lexip> axion, extended to connectors in the case or the wires just going through the case?
[18:22] <axion> connectors...bought hdmi, dc, and rj45 pcb mount ports and everything is wired internally...just plug in back
[18:24] <Lexip> Ah sweet, pretty much exactly what I was planning on doing.
[18:24] <Lexip> I trust it's not too hard/expensive to wire that up
[18:25] <axion> no just time consuming
[18:25] <Lexip> I'm really unsure of the hdmi one
[18:26] <axion> i found a nice 5v 4A hub...i have loads of devices plugged in internally and 4 ports cut out of abs unused
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[18:28] <Lexip> Cool :)
[18:28] <axion> highly recommended koutech 3 port hub on newegg
[18:28] <axion> a bit expensive, but not for what you get
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[18:29] <hotwings> axion - i got a 5 port hub from newegg thats 1/2 the size of the rpi :)
[18:29] <hotwings> 2.5A
[18:30] <axion> internally i have wifi, kb receiver, thumb drive for backup, and 2.5" hdd
[18:31] <axion> i need more than 5 though as externally i like to connect a 3.5" hdd, and 2 gamepads
[18:31] <hotwings> gamepad? you making a mame rpi?
[18:31] <axion> nah just some snes games
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[18:32] <axion> i said 3 port
[18:32] <axion> i meant 13 port
[18:32] <axion> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817364025
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[18:43] <adekto> -bash: /dev/rdisk3: Resource busy
[18:43] <adekto> what do i do with that??? the sd card isnt responding
[18:44] <axion> what command issued that?
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[18:44] <adekto> ?????? /dev/disk3s1 => /dev/rdisk3
[18:45] <axion> ?
[18:45] <adekto> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[18:45] <adekto> im doing the mac commandline
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[18:45] <adekto> idk what its asking or how i stop it
[18:45] <axion> right but what command?
[18:46] <adekto> ?????? ?? /dev/disk3s1??=> /dev/rdisk3
[18:46] <axion> thats not a command
[18:46] <adekto> ?
[18:46] <axion> a command is what you typed
[18:46] <adekto> yes
[18:46] <adekto> ?????? ?? /dev/disk3s1??=> /dev/rdisk3
[18:46] <adekto> i typed that
[18:47] <adekto> without ??????
[18:47] <adekto> els i cant post it
[18:47] <nid0> you might want to actually read the tutorial you're following
[18:47] <adekto> i am
[18:47] <nid0> rather than just randomly pasting things in bold
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[18:47] <nid0> because the bit you're entering isnt a command
[18:47] <adekto> but it gives me: -bash: /dev/rdisk3: Resource busy
[18:47] <axion> that is not a command
[18:47] <adekto> to everything
[18:47] <axion> read it carefully
[18:47] <nid0> thats because you didnt read bit 9
[18:48] <adekto> im just folowing every instruction
[18:48] <nid0> the whole point of step 9 is for you to find out what device name to use
[18:48] <nid0> you're just using the example given in the tutorial
[18:48] <axion> that example is head work, not bash work
[18:48] <adekto> yes
[18:48] <nid0> and using it in a command that isnt a command
[18:48] <axion> do it in your head, dont type it
[18:48] <adekto> ??? /dev/disk3s1 3.7Gi 2.2Mi 3.7Gi 1% /Volumes/NO NAME
[18:48] <axion> that is merely an example
[18:48] <adekto> this is my sd card
[18:48] <nid0> great, so your card is /dev/disk3
[18:49] <nid0> now carry on with step 10.
[18:49] <adekto> s1
[18:49] <nid0> sigh
[18:49] <adekto> dd: /dev/disk3s1: Resource busy
[18:49] <nid0> no not s1, the whole point of step 9 is you find out your partition (/dev/disk3s1) then you remove the s1, ie /dev/disk3
[18:49] <adekto> i did 10
[18:49] <nid0> then you carry on with step 10
[18:49] <axion> adekto: read step 9!
[18:49] <nid0> using what you learnt in step 9.
[18:49] <axion> dont use s1
[18:49] <adekto> what?
[18:50] <nid0> dear god
[18:50] <adekto> but thats what my sd is caled
[18:50] <axion> oh god
[18:50] <adekto> i df -s checkt it
[18:50] <nid0> yes, but you havent READ step 9.
[18:51] <axion> right but it says not to use that
[18:51] <nid0> i'll quote the relevant bit
[18:51] <nid0> Make sure the device name is the name of the whole SD card as described above, not just a partition of it (for example, rdisk3, not rdisk3s1
[18:51] <adekto> i dont understand
[18:51] <nid0> you have a partition at /dev/disk3s1
[18:51] <nid0> that means your disk itself is /dev/disk3
[18:51] <adekto> ??? /dev/disk3 => /dev/rdisk3
[18:51] <nid0> which is what you should be using.
[18:52] <adekto> -bash: /dev/rdisk3: Resource busy
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[18:52] <nid0> what you're entering still isnt a command
[18:52] <nid0> its an example
[18:52] <adekto> ur very unclear
[18:53] <nid0> I think i'm being extraordinarily clear
[18:53] <axion> the directions are plain english...we are repeating them for you
[18:53] <adekto> --/dev/disk3s1 3.7Gi 2.2Mi 3.7Gi 1% /Volumes/NO NAME
[18:53] <adekto> this is my sd card
[18:53] <nid0> no]
[18:53] <adekto> yes
[18:53] <nid0> thats a partition ON the card.
[18:53] <nid0> the card is /dev/disk3
[18:53] <nid0> which you then turn into /dev/rdisk3
[18:53] <nid0> and you then take /dev/rdisk3 and you proceed to step 10
[18:54] <axion> in other words, dont type anything for step 9
[18:54] <adekto> so i do /dev/disk3 => /dev/rdisk3 ?
[18:54] <nid0> no.
[18:54] <axion> in other words, dont type anything for step 9
[18:54] <axion> in other words, dont type anything for step 9
[18:54] <axion> in other words, dont type anything for step 9
[18:54] <nid0> step 9 = head thinky, not hands typy
[18:54] <adekto> i dont get it
[18:54] <adekto> what do i do
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[18:54] <adekto> 10 dousnt work
[18:55] <axion> what di you type for 10?
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[18:55] <adekto> sudo dd bs=1m if=~/Downloads/debian6-19-04-2012/debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/rdisk3
[18:55] <adekto> thats correct
[18:56] <adekto> no?
[18:56] <nid0> its only correct if you're using an ancient image that happens to be in Downloads
[18:56] <adekto> sudo dd bs=1m if=~/Downloads/2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/disk3s1
[18:56] <nid0> you need to replace the whole if=~ section with the actual path to the image you're using
[18:57] <adekto> it gives me dd: /dev/disk3s1: Resource busy
[18:57] <nid0> yes we're back once again to you not getting step 9
[18:57] <nid0> compare the of= section of the two commands you just pasted
[18:57] <adekto> no i dont, what is it
[18:57] <adekto> i cant use my sd card now
[18:57] <adekto> its always saying Resource busy
[18:58] <adekto> tell what camond i have to type
[18:58] <axion> it must not be mounted already
[18:58] <nid0> between the two commands you just entered here, you got one half right in one, and one half right in the other
[18:59] <nid0> you need to just combine the right bits
[18:59] <axion>
[18:59] <axion> ~
[18:59] <axion> ~
[18:59] <axion> ~
[18:59] <axion> [No Name]
[18:59] <axion> oops sorry
[18:59] <adekto> give me the right comand
[18:59] <nid0> im not going to tell you what it is out of principal, you're supposed to be learning
[18:59] <adekto> leurning?
[18:59] <adekto> i just want to run my pi
[19:00] <adekto> is that so much to ask
[19:00] <nid0> no, its really easy
[19:00] <nid0> there's even a 12 step guide for getting it going on a mac and everything
[19:00] <adekto> then what am i doing wrong
[19:00] <adekto> i dont get it
[19:00] <nid0> between the two commands you just entered here, you got one half right in one, and one half right in the other
[19:01] <nid0> you need to re-read steps 9, 10, and what you're typing in
[19:01] <adekto> im not folowing
[19:01] <axion> re-read
[19:01] <axion> all there is to know
[19:01] <axion> we told you specifically what to do, but you dont get it because its out of context. read then read what we said
[19:01] <adekto> by omitting the final "s1" and replacing "disk" with "rdisk"
[19:01] <adekto> i dont understand this
[19:02] <nid0> take /dev/disk3s1
[19:02] <nid0> and do what you just said
[19:02] <axion> what do you get in your head?
[19:02] <adekto> - /dev/disk3s1 => /dev/rdisk
[19:02] <axion> no
[19:02] <adekto> ??? /dev/disk3s1 => /dev/rdisk3
[19:02] <axion> rifht
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[19:03] <adekto> iv been doing that the hole time
[19:03] <adekto> are u not listening
[19:03] <nid0> but thats not a command.
[19:03] <nid0> thats a thing you need to know, in your head.
[19:03] <axion> now take that and do step 10, which will fail if the device is in use
[19:03] <nid0> which you then use in step 10.
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[19:04] <adekto> sudo dd bs=1m if=~/Downloads/2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/rdisk3
[19:04] <nid0> bingo
[19:04] <adekto> dd: /dev/rdisk3: Resource busy
[19:04] <nid0> now do the bit axion said
[19:04] <adekto> no
[19:04] <adekto> its not working
[19:04] <nid0> ie making due the device isnt in use.
[19:04] <axion> sudo umount /dev/rdisk3
[19:05] <adekto> umount: /dev/rdisk3: not a directory or special device
[19:05] <adekto> umount: /dev/rdisk3: not currently mounted
[19:05] <nid0> that was axion's fault in fairness, its
[19:05] <nid0> sudo unmount /dev/disk3
[19:05] <axion> sudo umount /dev/disk3
[19:05] <axion> sorry
[19:05] <nid0> oh, and me spelling umount wrong
[19:06] <adekto> dd: /dev/rdisk3: Resource busy
[19:06] <adekto> still giving me that
[19:06] <nid0> whats df -h say
[19:07] <adekto> ??? /dev/disk3s1 3.7Gi 2.2Mi 3.7Gi 1% /Volumes/NO NAME
[19:07] <nid0> you still havent unmounted /dev/disk3 then
[19:07] <axion> sudo umount /dev/disk3s1
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[19:07] <adekto> umount(/Volumes/NO NAME): Resource busy -- try 'diskutil unmount'
[19:07] <axion> sudo umount -l /dev/disk3s1
[19:07] <nid0> do that then
[19:07] <nid0> this, btw, is step 8 of the tutorial
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[19:08] <nid0> guess you skipped that one too :<
[19:08] <axion> yes, you need to follow in order
[19:08] <adekto> ?
[19:08] <nid0> sudo diskutil unmount /dev/disk3s1
[19:08] <adekto> i did that
[19:08] <nid0> that ^ is step 8
[19:08] <axion> step 8 says to do this, but you have not
[19:08] <nid0> hold on, does macos use umount or unmount
[19:08] <nid0> or does diskutil just use a different naming format to complicate things
[19:09] <axion> looks like a diskutil wrapper command
[19:10] <adekto> ehm
[19:10] <adekto> its just blicking
[19:10] <axion> df -h
[19:10] <adekto> not doing anything
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[19:11] <adekto> not in the list
[19:11] <axion> thats good
[19:11] <adekto> now i do sudo dd bs=1m if=~/Downloads/2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/rdisk3
[19:11] <adekto> ?
[19:11] <nid0> yes
[19:11] <axion> yes, and what does it say now?
[19:11] <adekto> ehm
[19:11] <adekto> nothing
[19:12] <adekto> no respnse
[19:12] <axion> congratulations then
[19:12] <nid0> then its working
[19:12] <axion> go to step 11
[19:12] <nid0> well done
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[19:12] <adekto> its not like giving the comand line mypc:-
[19:13] <axion> wait for it to write first
[19:13] <[SLB]> it's writing the image
[19:13] <nid0> thats because its writing the image
[19:13] <axion> it takes a minute or 2
[19:13] <axion> maybe more
[19:13] <adekto> ow
[19:13] <adekto> witout any like ladoing or progres?
[19:13] <axion> right
[19:13] <Slasher006> why dont you use imagewriter?
[19:13] <axion> lol
[19:13] <adekto> what?
[19:14] <Slasher006> imagewriter is in the repos
[19:14] <adekto> u mean the py file?
[19:14] <ladoga> why not use dd? :)
[19:14] <Slasher006> nope
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[19:14] <Slasher006> imagewriter is a gui
[19:14] <adekto> idk what ur talking about
[19:15] <Slasher006> select image.. choose target and go
[19:15] <axion> and you learn a lot there, right?
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[19:15] <Slasher006> lern? nope
[19:15] <adekto> seriusly what u talking about
[19:15] <axion> sooner or later you must become familiar with the command line, and a trivial task as this is a good time to begin
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[19:16] <adekto> hey its still not responding
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[19:17] <axion> just wait
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[19:19] <axion> mine took half hour...depends on image size and sd card speed
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[19:19] <adekto> its only 4 gb
[19:19] <axion> thats quite a lot for a slow sd card
[19:19] <axion> just wait a while
[19:20] <adekto> However if you are curious as to the progresss - ctrl-T (SIGINFO, the status argument of your tty) will display some en-route statistics)
[19:20] <adekto> what dous that mean?
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[19:21] <ladoga> also i somethimes use: watch 'sudo kill -USR1 `pgrep ^dd`'
[19:22] <ladoga> shows what dd is doing...but it's not very interesting
[19:22] <ladoga> just do something else for a while
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[19:24] <adekto> 850+0 records in
[19:24] <adekto> 1850+0 records out
[19:24] <adekto> 1939865600 bytes transferred in 681.415306 secs (2846818 bytes/sec)
[19:24] <adekto> now i can unmount it right?
[19:24] <scummos> do "sync"
[19:24] <scummos> then yes
[19:25] <scummos> wait it was mounted
[19:25] <scummos> don't mount stuff you dd on
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[19:25] <adekto> now its raspberry pi time :D
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[19:25] <[SLB]> om nom nom
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[19:36] <adekto> wierd keybeord is not working
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[19:38] <adekto> ehm, my keybeord is not working on instal, what do i do?
[19:39] <rikkib> Pull it out and plug it in again
[19:39] <adekto> nope still nothing
[19:40] <rikkib> Hmmm another keyboard
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[19:40] <adekto> i tryed a wirles keybeord befor...
[19:40] <PReDiToR> Use a powered hub?
[19:41] <adekto> a what?
[19:41] <rikkib> Check power tp1 tp2
[19:41] <PReDiToR> A USB hub that has its own poer supply
[19:41] <adekto> tp1?
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[19:41] <rikkib> tp1 & tp2 are the test points on the board
[19:41] <[diecast]> get a wired keyboard =)
[19:42] <adekto> i hooked up my mac keybeord
[19:42] <rikkib> Voltage shound be above 4.75v
[19:42] <adekto> still nothing
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[19:42] <adekto> i cant put my raizer keybeord in lol
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[19:46] <Topcat> How come I can just pull the power out of this thing with no worries? I know if I do that on my desktop I'm gonna have a bad time
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[19:46] <scummos> well optimally you'd shut it down first
[19:47] <scummos> but ext4 does a good job at not breaking if you just pull the power cord
[19:47] <scummos> you might lose data recently changed tough
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[19:47] <mgottschlag> I'd say the main difference to normal computers is that hard disk crashs are impossible
[19:48] * scummos got a SSD disk
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[19:48] <kkombarji> Hey, so I have a wireless mouse and keyboard combo that are verified to work on the Pi. The mouse works fine, but the keyboard does not. Any ideas?
[19:48] <Matt> disk crashes are pretty unusual in this day and age anyway
[19:48] <mgottschlag> (btw, how do usb disks manage the sudden power loss without any head crashs?)
[19:48] <scummos> kkombarji: not enough power? ;p
[19:48] <mgottschlag> hm, okay, that might be a reason then
[19:48] <axion> kkombarji: not enough power? use a hub and retry?
[19:48] <Matt> ever since the introduction of auto-parking heads :)
[19:49] <scummos> mgottschlag: I could easily imagine something that parks the head if the power is turned off
[19:49] <kkombarji> But it's the same USB dongle for the working mouse. Would that change things?
[19:49] <scummos> a spring or something
[19:49] <Matt> scummos: it's called a magnet :)
[19:49] <axion> yes
[19:49] <scummos> or a magnet ;P
[19:49] <Matt> and that's exactly how drives are constructed
[19:50] <scummos> quite unsurprising, indeed :)
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[19:50] <kkombarji> axion, will the multimeter test confirm this? Because I don't have a hub and don't want to spend money on one if it may not solve my problem.
[19:50] <scummos> Matt: a great advantage of short usb disk power cords -- if you drop it, it'll be turned off before it hits the ground.
[19:50] <scummos> happened to me twice :D
[19:50] <Topcat> see I was thinking of putting one in my car and if I power it off the ignition would it mind just losing power or should I work out some kind of shutdown script
[19:51] <scummos> Topcat: the worst that can happen is probably losing data not synced yet
[19:51] <Matt> yeah
[19:51] <Matt> you still run the risk of filesystem corruption
[19:51] <scummos> sync interval is... 120 seconds? for ext 4
[19:51] <Matt> which is a pain
[19:51] <scummos> yes, it's quite unlikely tough and mostly corrected automatically by fsck
[19:51] <axion> kkombarji: im not sure about the multimeter, but the pi's usb ports cannot draw so much power. my wireless kb/mouse receiver does not work with the pi, but does with a hub
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[19:52] <Topcat> would trying btrfs handle it better?
[19:52] <Matt> I'm not sure I'd run btrfs on anything I wanted to trust data to just yet :)
[19:52] <scummos> I think most FS are not really designed to handle sudden power outages
[19:52] <scummos> signed
[19:53] <scummos> Topcat: there's a storage media cache which speeds things up a lot
[19:53] <Topcat> I have already corrupted the FS ones when I turned off tubro mode so I'm not sure how easier it is to do
[19:53] <kkombarji> axion, what's tripping me is that the mouse works fine with it, but the keyboard doesn't. I feel like it wouldn't draw more power for one operation over another.
[19:53] <PReDiToR> Doesn't Fedora use BTRFS as a main installation choice?
[19:53] <scummos> Topcat: which needs to be flushed before you turn off the power
[19:53] <Matt> depending on your electronics background, I'm sure it would be possible to build something that's gonna keep the pi powered long enough to run a sync and then poweroff
[19:53] <Topcat> PReDiToR: I've seen it listed in nearly every distro for a while
[19:53] <axion> kkombarji: why do you feel that way? a lot of usb devices act as such.
[19:53] <axion> kkombarji: you could try a higher amp power supply, though i'm not sure if it may help
[19:54] <scummos> can also just take a jumper you put on the GPIO
[19:54] <Matt> even if you don't do a clean shutdown, an emergency sync and remount readonly would do the trick
[19:54] <scummos> and when you do you launch a script to shut it down
[19:54] <scummos> or that, yes
[19:54] <Matt> scummos: that was my thinking
[19:54] <scummos> or more conveniently a switch
[19:54] <Matt> a clean shutdown will prolly take several seconds to complete
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[19:54] <scummos> yes, about 15 or so
[19:54] <Matt> whereas sync+remountro should only take a second or two
[19:55] <scummos> yes, depending on the amount of unsynced data
[19:55] <kkombarji> axion, I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
[19:55] <Matt> which you could probably get with a decent sized cap
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> ca nyou force a remount ro with files open?
[19:55] <Matt> wonder how long you can run a pi from a 5V supercap
[19:55] <scummos> would need to be a quite decent sized cap
[19:55] <scummos> let's calculate
[19:55] <Topcat> if I had to shut it down I'd probably just use the GPIO somehow to tell if the power has gone off then start shutdown. hook up some kind of UPS for the 30 seconds or so for it to do that
[19:56] <Matt> gordonDrogon: not sure - I was thinking using the sysrq emergency remount
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> Matt, that might work after a sync...
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[19:56] <Matt> gordonDrogon: yeah
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> might do a test..
[19:56] <Topcat> I'm assuming there's no way I can do some kind of Wake-on-lan over wifi
[19:57] <scummos> wake not
[19:57] <scummos> shutdown is easy
[19:57] <PReDiToR> WiFi doesn't stay on, only Ethernet without -i on poweroff.
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[19:57] <Topcat> any kind of remote wireless on swtich you guys can think of?
[19:58] <Matt> scummos: let's say 10 seconds, 5V, 750mA
[19:58] <scummos> Matt: that's 37.5J
[19:58] <Matt> so that's 3.75W for 10 seconds, which is 37.5J
[19:58] <Topcat> I want to wake it up in the car sitting on my drive, sync some music / podcasts then shut it off.
[19:58] <scummos> you'll never get that into a normal-sized capacitor
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> mount: / is busy
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[19:59] <scummos> Matt: so you need 3F
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[20:00] <Topcat> can you set the PI to wake on keyboard ?
[20:00] <scummos> http://www.extremeaudio.de/de/dietz-21003-kondensator-3-farad-powercap-3f.html
[20:00] <scummos> boom :D
[20:00] <Matt> scummos: that's not beyond the bounds of supercaps
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> when I wur a lad, we'd solder a tantalum cap. to a bit of mains lead - put it out the window, plug it in and turn it on...
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[20:01] <scummos> Matt: well but it'll probably be more expensive than the pi itself, wouldn't it?
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[20:02] <PReDiToR> We used to call caps "oofs" for the noise they make when they fail catastrophically.
[20:02] <Matt> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/PM-5R0H305-R/283-3017-ND/1825391
[20:02] <Matt> $10
[20:02] <Matt> 3F at 5V
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> I did some stuff a while back for an embedded sort of PBX and router device running Linux...
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> the aim was to survive any number of power outs...
[20:03] <adekto> how do i use RasPiWrite
[20:03] <scummos> Matt: okay, pretty cool
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> I achieved it by running everything in RAM and only using disk when absolutely neccessary - like saving config changes, etc.
[20:03] <scummos> Matt: I should buy one
[20:03] <scummos> for melting stuff
[20:04] <Matt> supercaps are useful little things
[20:04] <Matt> I've got one in a serial-port powered IR blaster
[20:04] <scummos> ... for melting stuff
[20:04] <scummos> heh
[20:05] <PReDiToR> UnionFS with the overlaid FS in RAM.
[20:05] <Matt> HP used to use them in their MSA2000 series storage arrays to keep the cache circuitry energized whilst they wrote the contents of the cache DRAM out to flash
[20:06] <Matt> whereas most other vendors use batteries to keep the DRAM powered
[20:06] <Matt> which usually gives you 72 hours or so
[20:06] <scummos> that's the other possibility
[20:06] <zhulikas> how much do you usually have free memory left when with raspbian?
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[20:07] <scummos> Matt: how about a huge inductivity
[20:08] <scummos> oh wait that will do peaks if you turn it off
[20:10] <ladoga> zhulikas: what do you mean...RAM? depends what you're running
[20:11] <zhulikas> raspbian + lxde + wifi setup
[20:11] <zhulikas> without a browser on
[20:11] <zhulikas> and yes, ram
[20:11] <scummos> about $max_memory - 45MB
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[20:12] <zhulikas> ok
[20:12] <zhulikas> thanks
[20:12] <ladoga> the rest is used for cache and freed by kernel when necessary
[20:12] <zhulikas> sure
[20:12] <zhulikas> I was just wondering if I could use it for a simple setup
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[20:13] <zhulikas> a browser, email client, irc client :)
[20:13] <Benighted> Hey all, have an issue where raspbmc installer.img boots fine, then errors out with 'mmc0 controller never released inhibit bits' when trying to partition the disk
[20:13] <Benighted> any ideas?
[20:15] <rymate1234> zhulikas, don't see why not
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[20:16] <zhulikas> yeah
[20:16] <rymate1234> scrolling might be a tad laggy due to no hardware acceleration with Xorg
[20:16] <zhulikas> well, right now I have a fedora in my VM which atm uses 137MB
[20:16] <zhulikas> just didn't know what should I expect from raspbian optimisations
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[20:19] <Matt> Benighted: tried a different SD card?
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[20:23] <Benighted> Other sd card works ok, but they're class 4's, trying to set up a server, have 3 class 10 microSDHC that are having the same issue
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[20:24] <Uaellaen> Hello, i have a question about Fedora 17 Remix on raspberry, i just installed freshly, but i get 90%+ cpu in iowait status, is there a way i can identify if the wait comes from memory, swap or SD card?
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[20:24] <Benighted> it has to be something on the boot partition, I noticed it say something like 'mmc0 unable to register status' then next line is 'releasing init memory' then booting works fine
[20:24] <atouk> boot from sd and put root on thumbdrive
[20:25] <Benighted> atouk - can I edit the auto installer?
[20:26] <atouk> not a clue. i used a full image (raspbian)
[20:26] <Uaellaen> Benighted just install on SD, then move the non boot partition to a USB drive, and change the config file wich lies in /boot (fat partition) to boot from your usb drive
[20:27] <Uaellaen> worked well for me with raspbmc, debian squeeze and arch linux images
[20:27] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi ~ $ cat /boot/cmdline.txt
[20:27] <Datalink> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[20:27] <Datalink> where root= would instead be your USB image
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[20:28] <Datalink> I should set up a SD card to boot a USB HD, I have a powered enclosure... could be fun to have a TB Pi
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[20:28] <Datalink> it'd.. mean formatting my TB drive... which is it's own logististical hurdle though
[20:28] <Benighted> thanks guys
[20:29] <Datalink> Benighted, what'd you use to make the SD card images? Linux DD, a windows image writer?
[20:29] <mgottschlag> btw, about that capacitor calculations from 20 min ago, don't you actually need a larger cap because the voltage must not drop below 4.5V?
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[20:29] <scummos> mgottschlag: you need a voltage regulator
[20:29] <Benighted> dd
[20:30] <mgottschlag> but that would still mean 10 or 20% more for losses there
[20:30] <scummos> mgottschlag: it will overall be very difficult to power it a rapidly discharging cap
[20:30] <Datalink> mgottschlag, capacitor does not affect voltage in active circuits, it stores power temporarilly for increased demand or reduced supply
[20:30] <Benighted> thing that is driving me bananas is that if I install raspbmc to another sd card, capture the image and clone it the sd card works
[20:30] <scummos> mgottschlag: yes but it's a difficult task
[20:30] <mgottschlag> Datalink, but when you discharge it, the voltage drops
[20:30] <scummos> mgottschlag: the voltage will be either too high or too low ;P
[20:31] <Datalink> Benighted, are you dding to the partition or the SD card itself?
[20:32] <Datalink> /dev/sdc or /dev/sdc1, sdc replacing your SD card's actual mountpoint
[20:32] <Benighted> the device
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[20:32] <Datalink> so /dev/sdc
[20:32] <Benighted> yes, not sdc1 etc
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[20:32] <Datalink> okay
[20:33] <Datalink> that /should/ work, not sure why it wouldn't, unless the image is bigger than the device
[20:33] <Datalink> even then fsck /dev/sdc2 should fix it... again, sdc replaced with where it goes on your system
[20:33] <scummos> mgottschlag: you won't come around it for what I know, either the capacity is very large compared to what you actually need so the voltage is somewhat constant during discharging, or you'll have conversion losses. either way, your cap needs to be siginificantly larger than what you'd theoretically need
[20:33] <scummos> what we did was more like an estimate, too :)
[20:34] <Benighted> I've tried that, both the fat & ext partitions report back clean
[20:34] <Datalink> Benighted, then I have no idea why it's going so odd...
[20:35] <scummos> Benighted: what's the problem again?
[20:35] <Benighted> I've tried device resets in hdparm, I'm pulling my hair out... If it didn't work at all I would leave it at that but two instances work
[20:35] <Datalink> scummos, I want to get a rack of supercaps and build a UPS... actually going to be using a supercap on the Pi'd Piper I'm working on
[20:35] <Datalink> (supercap for the RTC)
[20:35] <Benighted> cloned backup image to device, and installer.img (until it tries creating ext4 partition)
[20:35] <ladoga> btw. what kind of speeds one can expect from raspi's ethernet... does it being usb/ethernet adapter hurt performance a lot?
[20:36] <scummos> 100M ethernet
[20:36] <scummos> theoretically
[20:36] <Uaellaen> i had a install where i had 10,8mb/s transfere rate on the rasp
[20:36] <Uaellaen> used arch linux
[20:36] <Uaellaen> and most recent kernel
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[20:37] <Uaellaen> but that also required me to use 900mhz frequency
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[20:38] <cave> Does anyone know the deamon which should be running when i start the Adafruit Pi-Python Web-ide?
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[20:39] <ladoga> Uaellaen: b or B?
[20:39] <Datalink> cave, the Python script, Python has capacity to be a webserver relatively easilly
[20:39] <ladoga> nevermind:)
[20:41] <Datalink> ladoga, standard computer industry convention is for communication to be in bits, storage in bytes, electrical engineering gets... different, which is why there are 2G and 4G on the RAM chips atop the Pi... individual ICs are in bits... kinda quirky
[20:41] <[SLB]> are there any differences between the arm6 and arm11 soc of the old and new pi?
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[20:41] <Datalink> [SLB], uh... ARM11 is ARMv6... they're actually the same... I think
[20:41] <[SLB]> ah hm
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[20:42] <[SLB]> i thought i didn't read arm11 for the old pi, maybe just distraction
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[20:42] <Uaellaen> ladoga megabyte
[20:42] <Datalink> [SLB], it'd have been an ARMv6
[20:42] <[SLB]> ah oks, possibly
[20:43] <Datalink> [SLB], The ARM11 family are currently the only ARMv6-architecture cores. (Wikipedia)
[20:44] <[SLB]> thanks didn't know
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[20:44] <Datalink> [SLB], s'alright, it's a tad confusing, since the ARM models don't follow the versioning smoothly
[20:44] <Benighted> scummos: did you have any ideas for the issue I'm experiencing?
[20:44] <[SLB]> eheh
[20:45] <scummos> Benighted: I wasn't sure what your issue actually was
[20:45] <scummos> Benighted: I just read part of the conversation
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[20:45] <atouk> anyone here running a 512 with latest firmware?
[20:45] <[SLB]> anyone who have the 512mb pi what brand is the ram?
[20:45] <scummos> wait there's a 512MB version now
[20:46] <scummos> what does it cost?
[20:46] <Benighted> raspbmc installer.img installs fine, fails on 'partitioning hard disk' with 'mmc0 controller never released inhibit bits', if I clone raspbmc from a working SD card it works
[20:46] <Benighted> 40 buck
[20:46] <rymate1234> scummos, the same price
[20:46] <[SLB]> same price now they'll all be 512
[20:46] <[SLB]> the uk ones
[20:46] <Datalink> [SLB], Samsung with a 4G typical
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[20:46] <[SLB]> ah okies, nice
[20:46] <scummos> how unfair :D
[20:46] <[SLB]> eheh
[20:46] <Datalink> though both RAM makers are being supplied in 512 flavor
[20:46] <scummos> Benighted: hmm! so you're sure it's not the card
[20:46] <Datalink> (some of us read the blog...)
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[20:47] <Benighted> yes, in both cases if I pop the card in my sd reader I can view and edit any file on any parition
[20:47] <Datalink> [SLB], simple indicator, in the model number, a 2G are the 256 Meg, 4G are the 512 Megs
[20:47] <scummos> Benighted: it's the same card?
[20:47] <[SLB]> ah thanks
[20:47] <Benighted> yes
[20:48] <Benighted> As previously mentioned raspbmc installer seems to release init memory and then is able to load the card info fine
[20:48] <Datalink> since the 2G and 4G indicate the Megabits (topic a couple days ago when I was confused about IC classification being in bits while RAM modules are in Bytes... so 4Gb/8=512MB)
[20:48] <scummos> Benighted: hm! I don't really have an idea... did you check the syslogs and stuff? dmesg?
[20:49] <scummos> Datalink: 4Gb/8 is actually 64MB
[20:49] <scummos> :D
[20:49] <Datalink> ....
[20:49] <Datalink> I GIVE UP! I'll be in my trailer
[20:49] * Datalink throws script in the air.
[20:50] <[SLB]> 512
[20:50] <ladoga> i see i get around 3MiB/s transfer rates from the internet, while my phone (over n wifi to same router) gets circa 4 MiB/s
[20:50] <[SLB]> 4096/8
[20:50] <Benighted> scummos: I have installer.log
[20:50] <scummos> Benighted: and is there something useful in it, maybe?
[20:51] <scummos> [SLB]: but 4 gigabits divided by 8, and that in bytes is 64 megabytes :)
[20:51] <Datalink> scummos, uh... 8 bits in a byte...
[20:51] <scummos> Datalink: yes, so...?
[20:52] <Datalink> scummos, so 4096/8 is 512
[20:52] <[SLB]> you transform bit to bytes, that's 512mbytes
[20:52] <Datalink> not 64
[20:52] <scummos> you wrote "4 Gb / 8"
[20:52] <scummos> that is 4 gigabits divided by 8
[20:52] <scummos> which is 512 megabits
[20:52] <scummos> which is 64 megabytes
[20:52] <scummos> it was a joke
[20:52] <scummos> forget about it :D
[20:52] <[SLB]> lol
[20:52] <Datalink> ya troll :P
[20:52] <scummos> what you wrote was not technically correct and I was trolling about it
[20:53] <scummos> sorry :D
[20:53] <Datalink> he's here till Tuesday, folks! try the Veal...
[20:53] <atouk> careful with the "T" word, you'll wake Reggie up
[20:53] <scummos> who's reggie?
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[20:53] <ladoga> well it's good to point out our mistakes
[20:54] <scummos> nah, that was just... trolling :D
[20:54] <[SLB]> at its purest :D
[20:54] <Benighted> I'll try it again
[20:54] <Datalink> scummos, though on a more practical point, yes, I should have tagged the 8 as bits to bytes conversion somehow.
[20:54] <scummos> [SLB]: I'll take that as a compliment :D
[20:54] <[SLB]> yes it was :3
[20:55] <Datalink> scummos, be glad I'm in a good mood.
[20:55] <scummos> otherwise my notebook would be handling DDOS attacks right now *ducks*
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[20:56] <atouk> you two guys going to get the rulers out next?
[20:56] <scummos> nah we're fine
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[20:57] <Datalink> atouk, we're joking around... besides he overclocks, I'd win just cause of no steroid use... *ducks*
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[20:57] <atouk> still lokinv for someone with a 512 running
[20:57] <scummos> hey, I don't overclock my pi!
[20:57] <scummos> :)
[20:57] <Datalink> ah, thought you where talking about having to dial back recently, musta been someone else
[20:58] <Benighted> atouk there were earlier, if I could order one I would
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[20:58] <scummos> ah... no, wasn't me
[20:58] <scummos> I don't need performance, I just need the GPIOs
[20:58] <atouk> could have been me. but i just put it back up a notch after latest update
[20:58] <Datalink> scummos, man of my own heart
[20:58] <Datalink> related, I gave up on the SPI display recently, I'll come back to it, just working on making an Arduino terminal emulator instead for now
[20:59] <Datalink> discovered the Arduino library has no scroll function >.< so I'll have to work on adding the function or an array buffer
[21:00] <scummos> you should get the 512MB model so you can save more lines of scrollback in the array buffer *SCNR*
[21:00] <Datalink> haha, my Arduino's already the 328p, so it's already the large memory model :P
[21:00] <scummos> where should the terminal output be displayed?
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[21:01] <Datalink> this is a transitionary thing, as I'm working on the first phase of the Pi'd Piper controller
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[21:01] <scummos> what is it going to do?
[21:02] <Datalink> Pi'd Piper's a music player 'pi plate' for the Pi... basically controlling an MP3 player, and powering the Pi to allow for portable applications
[21:02] <scummos> okay
[21:02] <atouk> i wonder what the hackers will do when all pi/pie/raspberry puns are used up
[21:02] <scummos> is the power supply reasonable for something like the pi?
[21:03] <scummos> I imagine it to be heavy
[21:03] <Datalink> atouk, dude... I had to stretch for this one, it's outside my naming convention
[21:03] <Datalink> scummos, it's probably gonna be lipo batteries, depends on how long I wanna aim for with it
[21:03] <Datalink> I also have to fit a Lipo on the board somewhere... without blocking the CPU's airflow
[21:03] <scummos> hm alright
[21:03] <Datalink> yay engineering problems
[21:04] <scummos> most can be fixed with tape
[21:04] <scummos> for the rest, solder helps a lot
[21:04] <scummos> oh, and hot glue
[21:04] <atouk> and velcro and magnets solve any mounting problems
[21:05] <Datalink> electrical tape and Kapton(sp) tape are like the duct tape of the EE world
[21:05] <Datalink> one's gotta work for the problem
[21:05] <scummos> heh
[21:05] <Datalink> reminds me, I need a roll of kapton
[21:07] * scummos built a condensator from tape and tin foil
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[21:08] <Datalink> hm, other ideas: heat pipe for Pi... I need to work on that...
[21:08] <Datalink> could probably hit both processors and the power regulator, make a handy profit...
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[21:09] <Datalink> if I intended to make these seriously, I probably would be skyping my patent lawyer, not talking about them in IRC
[21:09] <scummos> why would you need that?
[21:09] <Datalink> though at the same time a patented part would be annoying given the nature of the Pi as an educational platform....
[21:09] <Benighted> what is dwc_otg.speed for in cmdline?
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[21:10] <Benighted> or 'elevator=deadline'?
[21:11] <lee> the latter is the scheduler the kernel uses
[21:11] <lee> dunno about the former
[21:12] <lee> just got the new pi up and running, I wonder why raspbian doesn't come with rpi-updater preinstalled (and it does come with wifi config, wtf?)
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[21:13] <atouk> rpi-update is 3rd party thing
[21:13] <Benighted> yeah - it breaks installs unless you apt-get update && upgrade first
[21:13] <atouk> never had problems with it
[21:14] <atouk> but i think i apt-get first all the time
[21:14] <Datalink> apt-get should be on the top 10 list of things to do on a new image
[21:15] <atouk> the last line of raspi-config shouln'd be update raspi-config, it should be update everything
[21:15] <Datalink> also I've been thinking of what sci-fi starship class to name my pi after
[21:16] * Datalink has a convention to maintain.
[21:16] <atouk> Saturn 5. it never quite got to it's intended location, and the pi seems to be ending up in random places, too
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[21:17] <Datalink> atouk, that's reserved for my future supercomputer
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[21:18] <atouk> what was the ship name from "land of the giants"?
[21:18] <Datalink> I donno but that might work... since it's a tiny thing in a giant world
[21:18] <Datalink> Spindrift
[21:19] <Benighted> scummos: raspbian recognizes the sd card, and partitions, then after [OK] Setting up preliminary keymap, it tanks with the mmc0 never released inhibit bits
[21:20] <scummos> hm :(
[21:20] <Benighted> scummos: this is using an existing image
[21:20] <scummos> I can only give general advice
[21:20] <scummos> did you ask the software's authors?
[21:21] <Benighted> I'm thinking there has to be a way to get an if loop in there that umounts mounted filesystem it might work
[21:21] <Benighted> nah, everyone says to replace the firmware (tried to no avail) or card (have but that's a workaround not a solution)
[21:21] <scummos> oh so it does work with another card?
[21:21] <scummos> have you read threads like this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8595&p=102624
[21:21] <atouk> all all your cards same brand?
[21:22] <Datalink> Benighted, is the lock switch set to unlock?
[21:22] <Datalink> atouk, Spindrift does not list a class... I'll have to look into it
[21:23] <scummos> haha, great tought Datalink
[21:23] <scummos> that would be a hilarious failure
[21:23] <Benighted> yes, unlocked - I have 2 class 10's, and 3 class 4's
[21:23] <Datalink> okay
[21:23] <Benighted> different brands. but the 2 class 10's are patriot LX series
[21:24] <Benighted> it's on the list of supported cards :(
[21:24] <atouk> bad socket that "thinks" the switch is on
[21:26] <Datalink> scummos, hm, I may have to change my policy slightly, my naming convention is around ship classes, not individual ship names... Spindrift does not list a class though
[21:27] <Benighted> scummos: I have viewed it before but I'll try again to see if it progresses any further, am I reading it correctly if sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 is turning the sync on?
[21:27] <atouk> some classes are ship names. eg Iowa class battleship
[21:27] <Datalink> atouk, that in mind, Spindrift would be valid, I think I'll go with it, thanks
[21:28] <scummos> Benighted: I'd personally just try to toggle all options that might eventually be related around
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[21:29] * Datalink waits for Pi to reboot...
[21:29] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~ $
[21:29] <Datalink> :D
[21:30] <Datalink> ironically I can probably fit the Pi in the available model of that ship
[21:30] <atouk> little research and you can do naval ships that start with pi
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> wasn't there a arrive called the Pittsburgh?
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> carrier
[21:33] <Leestons> A quick question, how do I change that? Getting bored of it being "@raspberry"
[21:33] <s5fs> Benighted: I too have a patriot LX and it doesn't work for me
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> also, Picard. (in the appropriate universe)
[21:33] <s5fs> Benighted: ended up just using a smaller class 4 card i had laying around, haha! i'll address the LX class 10 later i guess.
[21:34] <[SLB]> Leestons, edit etc/hostname and etc/hosts
[21:34] <[SLB]> and relog
[21:34] <Datalink> atouk, my rule is specifically science fiction classes... mostly from Star Trek, but also from Eve Online
[21:34] <Leestons> Thank you, much appreciated
[21:34] <[SLB]> yw
[21:34] <Benighted> s5fs: try the installer.img (raspbmc) boots ok, but fails at partitioning, and if you clone from a class 4 backup.img it works too
[21:34] <Datalink> this laptop I'm on is Hel, after the Minmatar supercarrier class
[21:35] <Benighted> s5fs: I did the exact same thing but performance boost with the class 10s so I'm determined to figure this out
[21:35] <atouk> my home network is "mainframe" and all the devices are characters from reboot
[21:35] <s5fs> Benighted: I used a raspian and a debian image (iirc), both would boot but throw a bunch of filesystem/journal errors so i gave up. haven't had time to revisit the pi, it's just idling at home now.
[21:35] <Datalink> atouk, a good one
[21:36] <s5fs> Benighted: agreed though, the performance is too great to overlook. sucks the class 10 doesn't work as I expect.
[21:36] <Datalink> my home network may be renamed soon... I also have to work on a DNS system for it... which means replacing my router as DNS server and DHCP leaser
[21:36] <Datalink> I should start buying 256es up cheap...
[21:36] <lee> ooo. farnell++
[21:37] <Benighted> s5fs: haha we have the same name
[21:37] <lee> just noticed that they didn't charge VAT on any of the bits I ordered, which is nice
[21:37] <lee> saves me having to go and request a refund
[21:38] <s5fs> Benighted: adam ftw!
[21:38] <Datalink> lee, they're a big enough company that they should be vat exception aware
[21:38] <s5fs> Benighted: "Adam".. great first name or the greatest??
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[21:39] <lee> "should" != "does" =)
[21:39] <s5fs> Benighted: anyways, good luck with that class 10 card. my weekend project is probably 'real work' but if i get free time i'm going to get my cross compile toolchain together for some sweet sweet kernel building
[21:40] <Benighted> s5fs: Greatestest
[21:40] <s5fs> after that i'm planning on revisiting the card issue
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[21:42] <Benighted> thanks, back to beating my head off this wall lol
[21:44] <Benighted> scummos both options didn't work from that post :/
[21:44] <scummos> hm that's bad :(
[21:44] <scummos> as said, I really don't know
[21:45] <Benighted> well, I'll have to revisit it - dinner guests in about 2 hours, probably best to start the prep
[21:45] <Benighted> I'd rather be tinkering, but alas
[21:45] <Benighted> scummos, datalink, s5fs thanks for the help
[21:46] <atouk> put rootfs on a thumbdrive and just use sd to boot
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[21:46] <Benighted> will do, thank you too atouk
[21:46] <[SLB]> farnell still doesn't let order multiple pi's?
[21:46] <Datalink> I try where I can, glad I could offer some
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[21:47] <Datalink> [SLB], right, due to supply chain still recovering from the 'skrillex storm' level of ordering
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], Farnell offered me 100's last time I looked...
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[21:47] <Datalink> my data is officially out of date, ignore me, IGNORE ME!
[21:47] <[SLB]> urm
[21:48] <Datalink> I am in such a silly mood today...
[21:48] <atouk> sets see /ignore Datalink
[21:48] <Datalink> ._.
[21:48] <[SLB]> gordonDrogon, as business or consumer?
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> I suspect I checked the business button.
[21:49] <PhonicUK> pi pi pi :D
[21:49] <PhonicUK> I wish I could get a Pi without any headers soldered on
[21:49] <[SLB]> eheh possibly
[21:49] <atouk> when come back, bring pi
[21:49] <PhonicUK> then I could have a super flat PI
[21:50] <PhonicUK> maybe even use it as a motherboard for handheld device
[21:50] <PhonicUK> i wonder how hard it'd be to desolder them
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> PhonicUK, not hard to remove most of them - they're through hole...
[21:50] <PhonicUK> cool
[21:51] <PhonicUK> i could easily imagine having something like an OpenPandora based on the Pi
[21:52] <[SLB]> yes business lets you order more, and without vat, and it seems it's not asking for any vat code or anything? hm hopefully i can spare some euros let's see if it works
[21:52] <esters> any chance to use RPi as a thin client ? And what about Wayland support ?
[21:53] <PhonicUK> esters, it'd be fine as a thin client for RDP/VNC/similar
[21:53] <esters> since i would use one of these at work
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[21:53] <PhonicUK> the only issue with using it for RDP is that I don't think rdesktop/similar support the newer security standards
[21:53] <PhonicUK> so the server has to be configured to allow legacy clients
[21:54] <esters> I read that rdesktop now supports RDP protocol v7
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[21:54] <PhonicUK> in that case i stand corrected and it should be fine
[21:54] <esters> hmm, and what about accelerated X ?
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[21:55] <PhonicUK> we have no accelerated X at this time
[21:55] <esters> if i understand correctly wayland is the only way to get it
[21:55] <esters> or is it different
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[21:56] <PhonicUK> AFAIK wayland is something separate to X
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[21:56] <SpeedEvil> it is
[21:56] <Matt> PhonicUK: ypu
[21:56] <axion> wayland still needs X
[21:56] <esters> ah
[21:56] <PhonicUK> hmm, although apparently accelerated X is coming though
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> it's a completely seperate protocol stack
[21:56] <PhonicUK> once the open source drivers are sorted
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> unrelated to x
[21:57] <PhonicUK> wayland sits on top of GLES doesn't it?
[21:57] <esters> so what rpi needs is a binary or open gpu driver and wayland (since it uses OGLES) ?
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[21:58] <[SLB]> is it actually worth to buy a pi now or like tomorrow we get another unexpected variation?
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[21:58] <Virunga> [SLB]: are you italian?
[21:59] <PhonicUK> [SLB], I doubt they'll change anything major - but as with all tech, you can always keep waiting for something better and you'll never get anything
[21:59] <[SLB]> after rev2 came out i, and probably most of us, didn't expect a 512mb out
[21:59] <[SLB]> yes Virunga
[21:59] <PhonicUK> I had my 2nd 256MB arrive 2 days before the 512 came out
[21:59] <PhonicUK> now I have 3 pis...
[21:59] <[SLB]> eheh
[21:59] <[SLB]> yes true
[21:59] <Virunga> [SLB]: where did you buy your rpi from?
[21:59] <Matt> PhonicUK: that's ok, mine arrived on tuesday, and it shipped last weekend
[21:59] <Matt> so technically that's *after* the 512 came out
[21:59] <PhonicUK> Matt, outch
[22:00] <Virunga> [SLB]: and how long did you wait? :)
[22:00] <PhonicUK> that said I'm selling my 256MB Pi's
[22:00] <[SLB]> fact is that i'm tight in budget so i can't basically waste money, yups i thought the same to sell my 256 too eheh
[22:00] <[SLB]> i ordered 2 pis in may from rs and farnell
[22:00] <[SLB]> arrived in july
[22:01] <[SLB]> one sold to a friend
[22:01] <Virunga> :O
[22:01] <nero> My pis are due to arrive today.. :D
[22:01] <PhonicUK> between doubling the RAM and the new tubo mode, the Pi has a lot more potential for the sort of things I want to do with it
[22:01] <nero> (ordered on Monday)
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[22:01] <PhonicUK> you know what'd be really cool?
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[22:01] <PhonicUK> ever seen those USB -> game cartridge devices?
[22:02] <[SLB]> ah nop ehe
[22:02] <PhonicUK> they let you read Sega Megadrive / SNES cartridges as storage devices
[22:02] <PhonicUK> you just drop the actual cartridge in it
[22:02] <PhonicUK> imagine one of those, and 2x USB -> SNES adapters
[22:02] <PhonicUK> all put inside the case of an *actual* SNES
[22:02] <[SLB]> nice for those who have cartriges i guess eheh
[22:03] <PhonicUK> so you'd play real SNES games, in something that looked like a SNES, but was really a Raspberry Pi
[22:03] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:03] <Gumby> or, imagine this....
[22:03] <[SLB]> i think someone made up a gamepad or something
[22:03] <PhonicUK> https://www.dragonbox.de/en/consoles-and-tools/71-retrode-2-1.html
[22:03] <Gumby> .... you could play a REAL snes game on a REAL SNES
[22:03] <Gumby> mind
[22:03] <Gumby> blown
[22:03] <Gumby> :D
[22:03] <[SLB]> lol
[22:03] <PhonicUK> Gumby, but then you could pause the game and switch to a web browser :P
[22:03] <Gumby> hehe
[22:04] <Gumby> I know, I'm just teasin
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[22:05] <Gumby> its amazing how the pi was meant to get kids geeked up about pcs but as a side effect it is getting geeks uber geeked about pis
[22:05] <PhonicUK> lol
[22:05] <[SLB]> true lol
[22:06] <nero> I dont know a single geeked up kid with a pi.. but plenty of geeked up geeks.
[22:06] <nero> (then again, my kid is 3.. as are all his friends.. and that is my exposure to "kids these days")
[22:06] <Gumby> lol
[22:07] <nero> "Hey Gabe- I got this raspberry pi! It is soooo neat.. we can do all kinds of cool projects with it!" "Raspberry?? I like raspberries.. lets build a gun with my legos!"
[22:07] <Gumby> I really hope my client says yes to what I've proposed for them. It will be a fun little (albeit easy) project
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> does it involve logos?
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> legos
[22:08] <Gumby> lol, it could if we were to build a lego case. hehe
[22:09] <Gumby> but since they'll be selling the units, along with a service subscription, I am doubting we'll go the lego route
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[22:09] <nero> I've got the case of an old wooden (beautiful art-deco) radio. I am thinking of replacing the tuning needle area with a 7" touch screen, disassembling some computer speakers to replace the old dead speakers, and turning it into a little Airplay media center/weather station/recipie book for the kitchen.
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[22:10] <Gumby> I've got an encosed wine rack that I've made for the woman. I also have a 15" touchscreen LCD. embed them both into the rack and have it show her wine inventory
[22:10] <Gumby> hehe
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[22:12] <nero> actually, add that to a temp/humidity controlled cellar + sensors, and it could be pretty awesome.
[22:12] <Gumby> hehe
[22:12] <Gumby> if only we had a cellar
[22:12] <_OskaR_ghost> hmmm just reading about a bloke that did as i do - cron log temperatures. one thing that wsa forgoten wasw /var/log...
[22:12] <Gumby> even better, shes the assistant wine maker at a winery....
[22:13] <[SLB]> say what? :3 http://goo.gl/o1QHg
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[22:13] <[SLB]> next step to get a relay command a dehumidificator eheh
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[22:13] <_OskaR_ghost> as /var/log.. is updated every 4 min .. and the sd card lack wear leveling - sd card fails after 4-6weeks !!
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[22:15] <Draylor> lol
[22:15] <nero> SLB: not a bad idea.. though it might be easier to use something like an arduino if all you're doing is monitoring temps/humidity, and relaying a dehumidifier/heater
[22:16] <[SLB]> yes true, but never played with arduino so far, althought it's supposedly in my future plans if i'm going to do some more serious home automation
[22:16] <Weaselweb> sd cards lack wear leveling?
[22:17] <nero> Arduinos are quite fun. I just finished up a whole house electricity usage project. I think an arduino for I/O + a Raspberry Pi for processing would be pretty neat.
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[22:18] <[SLB]> i saw this project some time ago, pretty nice http://home.briandorey.com/
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[22:19] <Gumby> any issues re: SD card failure with running raspian wheezy + playing a few mp3s 24/7?
[22:19] <[SLB]> http://briandorey.com/post/Arduino-Solar-Logging-Installed.aspx
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[22:20] <nero> [SLB]: t'would be very nice to have a set of solar panels to log.. ;)
[22:20] <[SLB]> and this same but with the pi http://briandorey.com/post/Raspberry-Pi-Solar-Data-Logger.aspx
[22:20] <[SLB]> yes eheh
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[22:21] <biberao> hi
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[22:29] <lautzu> I currently use a small Lenovo "nettop" box for my ssh and openvpn connection home and mainly run IRC and a few roguelikes. Would a RPI work out OK to replace this?
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[22:35] <[SLB]> yes i have a bouncer here, vpn server and irssi sometimes, http server with php and mysql, what else
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[22:37] <Xpl01t> [SLB]: all those things on a 256 MB ram RPi?
[22:37] <[SLB]> yes
[22:37] <Xpl01t> :o
[22:37] <Xpl01t> how many ram used running all those services at the same time?
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[22:37] <[SLB]> have a look http://pi.slblabs.com:7010/ :)
[22:37] <lautzu> That's about all I'd use it for and I haven't bought a RPi yet. So if it runs on 256 I am assuming it would run just fine on 512 MB :)
[22:38] <[SLB]> 71mb at the moment
[22:38] <[SLB]> yes sure eheh
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[22:39] <Xpl01t> [SLB]: that looks nice. did you underclock your pi? It appears to be running at 500 MHz right now
[22:39] <[SLB]> the webserver also serves a wordpress installation, enough said :3
[22:39] <[SLB]> yes, no real reason to but yea
[22:39] <[SLB]> it dynamically goes up to 900 if needed
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[22:39] <Xpl01t> ah
[22:39] <lautzu> Wow, if the 256 runs Wordpress then I have no worries about the 512MB version at all heh
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[22:39] <[SLB]> right eheh
[22:40] <[SLB]> the wordpress is here http://pi.slblabs.com/slblabs it's not lightning fast of course but yea
[22:40] <Xpl01t> [SLB]: what webserver are you using? nginx?
[22:40] <[SLB]> lighttpd
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[22:41] <[SLB]> if you're still on the monitor page you can see the cpu going to 900 whle accessing wordpress
[22:42] <Xpl01t> i saw it :D
[22:42] <[SLB]> :D
[22:42] <Xpl01t> is lighttpd lighter than nginx? Does it consumes less ram?
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[22:43] <[SLB]> i think someone said nginx is even lighter, haven't tried it yet
[22:43] <rikkib> [SLB], Have you run motion lately?
[22:43] <[SLB]> some time ago yes, not recently
[22:43] <Xpl01t> people says nginx is faster, and it can handle lots of connections without problems
[22:43] <Xpl01t> that's why i asked you :)
[22:44] <Xpl01t> but i had never tried webservers on my pi
[22:44] <Xpl01t> hehe
[22:44] <biberao> im getting a raspberry pi monday wee
[22:44] <Xpl01t> are you using debian or arch linux?
[22:44] <[SLB]> nice eheh i should give it a go when i have some spare time
[22:44] <[SLB]> raspbian
[22:44] <[SLB]> nice biberao
[22:44] <Xpl01t> nice
[22:45] <biberao> i want to stream sport games
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[22:49] <rikkib> [SLB], My browser went lala after accessing your site. Iceweasel on Linux. It crashes when you look at it the wrong way :)
[22:49] <[SLB]> oh the system monitor or wordpress?
[22:50] <rikkib> wordpress
[22:50] <Leestons> phpbb3 is throwing a temper tantrum for me. Yay :)
[22:50] <rikkib> google
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[22:50] <rikkib> looked like google did not respond locking up the browser.
[22:50] <Leestons> ooh it worked this time! just took forever to load like last time
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[22:50] <esters> other side note - if you want to run a mail server on rpi, its a no-go
[22:51] <rikkib> relaunching now so it will try again
[22:51] <[SLB]> oh not sure why
[22:51] <[SLB]> maybe dns problem
[22:51] <Leestons> I think I'll ust be running a wordpress (nothing to blog about but what the hell) and a phpbb3 board
[22:51] <Leestons> just*
[22:51] <rikkib> buggy browser
[22:51] <[SLB]> eheh
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[22:54] <rikkib> [SLB], It loaded OK this time. You access a lot of other sites to to make that page.
[22:54] <[SLB]> yes sorry, mostly the share icons
[22:55] <[SLB]> and the images are on picasa
[22:56] <rikkib> [SLB], Reason for motion question. I run it on two machines. One runs older image and other runs up to date image (Raspbian) Motion has been broken in newer images for about two months now.
[22:57] <rikkib> Own kernel gives poor results as well.
[22:57] <[SLB]> oh i should check it again then, once i get the cam hooked to the pi, thanks for letting me know
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[22:58] <rikkib> cam on old works great all the time. cam on new crashes within an hour or two
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[22:59] <[SLB]> :\
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[23:02] <[SLB]> is it a different version of motion or just the updated system with same motion version?
[23:03] <[SLB]> maybe it's motion fault
[23:03] <Leestons> Ugh, I forgot just how ugly the default phpbb theme is!
[23:04] <Mehhh> Feeling blue?
[23:05] <[SLB]> you're starting from v3 at least eheh
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[23:10] <Leestons> So slow on the pi :( Maybe I should overclock it a little more.
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[23:24] <rikkib> [SLB], All standard Raspbian installs
[23:24] <[SLB]> ah oks
[23:24] <rikkib> [SLB], The errors are kernel errors
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[23:27] <[SLB]> i ran it without any webcam connected, so i get some errors not finding video0, but no kernel errors, unless they only appear when the webcam is connected
[23:27] <[SLB]> [0] Motion 3.2.12 Started
[23:27] <[SLB]> [0] ffmpeg LIBAVCODEC_BUILD 3482368 LIBAVFORMAT_BUILD 3478784
[23:27] <[SLB]> [0] Thread 1 is from /etc/motion/motion.conf
[23:27] <[SLB]> [1] Thread 1 started
[23:27] <[SLB]> [1] Failed to open video device /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[23:27] <rikkib> you need a cam connected
[23:28] <[SLB]> ah oks
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[23:30] <rikkib> [SLB], I have just restarted motion after last nights crash... Will have to wait for the error which occurs randomly
[23:31] <[SLB]> ok eheh
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[23:32] <rikkib> In the past if I run other stuff like stream the audio from the cam the errors get worse
[23:36] <[SLB]> i haven't tried that yet
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[23:47] <rikkib> [SLB], Oct 20 10:39:03 raspberrypi kernel: [396841.897379] uvcvideo: Non-zero status (-5) in video completion handler.
[23:47] <[SLB]> hm maybe it's the usb webcam driver, uvcvideo
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[23:52] <rikkib> The thing is, many, like you, run up web cams and said Ok that works but kernel bugs mean it actually does not at this point in time with default Raspbian.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> can anyone tell me why it is that people continue to use the bit-banged SPI interfaces when there's aperfectly good kernel driver for it? Bonkers!
[23:53] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, ignorance
[23:54] <asaru> argh, my local radio shack has let me down
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, I do wonder...
[23:55] <Datalink> asaru, you say that like they don't do that regularly, what's wrong?
[23:55] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Thanks for the pointers. re cpol cphase
[23:55] <asaru> missing 1 resistor and 1 capacitor
[23:55] <rikkib> Found it in the kernel driver code
[23:55] <asaru> had everything else i wanted
[23:56] <[SLB]> right rikkib, i haven't played with it in a while so i couldn't know
[23:56] <asaru> now im gonna have to order it online and wait
[23:56] * bertrik plans to play with an SPI RF module and a I2C thermometer on the pi
[23:56] <bertrik> and monitor the RF signal with my rtlsdr stick
[23:56] <simula> i finally ordered a case for my pi
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