#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-20

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] * rikkib makes his own out of aluminum
[0:01] <simula> CNC?
[0:01] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sw-but.jpg
[0:02] <simula> are you serving up that picture off of your pi? ;)
[0:02] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-dev.jpg
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[0:02] <rikkib> home network 100KBytes/s
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[0:06] <rikkib> getting ready to hook a RPi to the outside world. Put in an extra hub to intercept wan after adsl router. Other wise everything used to got through a Linux IPMasq gateway
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[0:07] <rikkib> Once I think on it more I will put a port forward rule in the router
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[0:15] <dirty_d> so, anyone have subtitles working with omxplayer?
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[0:16] <zontar> what cases do you guys like
[0:17] <asaru> i think the pibow is really neat looking and clever
[0:17] <dirty_d> I still haven't got one
[0:19] <zontar> i still don't have an actual device yet but i really like what i see so far, looks perfect for ARM dev without crosscompiling
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[0:20] <dirty_d> you trying to learn arm assembly or something?
[0:21] <zontar> arm assembly in particular, yes
[0:21] <zontar> i've done x86 before
[0:21] <axion> zontar: www.polycase.com/pi-series
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[0:23] <dirty_d> I havent used assembly in many years
[0:23] <dirty_d> well, for avr recently but only a couple lines
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[0:25] <zontar> friend of mine just used it up at qualcomm over the summer for driver development
[0:26] <dirty_d> cool
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[0:30] <plugwash> zontar, depends on your definition of "perfect"
[0:30] <plugwash> and in particular on what you are trying to build
[0:31] <zontar> practice in particular
[0:31] <zontar> i'm only familiar with x86 assembly so asm isn't so foreign to me
[0:31] <plugwash> building C++ monsters like libreoffice and webkit is a PITA on boardswith a gigabyte of ram. I dread to think what building them on a Pi would be like
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[0:31] <zontar> also i learn best with some cc too so if it can run gcc that's even better
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[0:32] <zontar> oh god, i wasn't even aware people tried to run libreoffice or webkit on one xP
[0:32] <zontar> no, i'm talking basic low level stuff
[0:32] <zontar> stuff you wouldn't even use X for
[0:33] <plugwash> heh I haven't tried building them on a Pi either
[0:34] <plugwash> but if it spends the best part of a week grinding swap on a board with a gigabyte of ram it's pretty easy to extrapolate what building them on a Pi would be like
[0:34] <dirty_d> ouch
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[0:38] <zontar> it'd just be easier to cross compile those, if it's even nessecarry to run 'em
[0:38] <zontar> well webkit i can see
[0:40] <plugwash> maybe, the thing is while the debian packaging tools have some cross-building support it's rough to say the least
[0:40] <Mehhh> Is it possible to de / re solder an hdmi connector using a similar method to the laptop GPUs? (100w bulb) http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2452/img00058s.jpg
[0:42] <plugwash> so we pretty much have to build raspbian natively
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[0:43] * plugwash is REALLY hoping someone releases an affordable arm board/box with more than a gigabyte of ram in the not too distant future
[0:44] <plugwash> heck if nothing more appropriate comes out before wheezy is released i'm seriously considering using chromebooks as autobuilders
[0:45] <simula> plugwash... the new revB board has 512MB ram
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[0:46] <dirty_d> plugwash, there arent any?
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[0:46] <reesk> heya
[0:46] <Mehhh> Isn't the new quad core freescale 2gb / quad core
[0:46] <Mehhh> i.MX.6 or something
[0:47] <dirty_d> Mehhh, i cant see a 100W bulb getting hot enough
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[0:47] <plugwash> simula, and how does that help me when i'm looking for more than a gigabyte
[0:47] <reesk> wheres the cheapest place in the uk to get ahold of a pi
[0:47] <Mehhh> It's hot enough to remove an nvidia GPU
[0:47] <dirty_d> the mean streets of London
[0:47] <plugwash> dirty_d, not that i've found for sale yet
[0:47] <dirty_d> jk, i dont know anything bout the UK
[0:48] <reesk> you ask for a rasberry pi in london your liley to catch a sti
[0:48] <Mehhh> If you want 2GB RAM, arm, just buy a bad ESN SGSIII
[0:48] <dirty_d> plugwash, #archlinux-arm might know. they have an ARM build farm, so if there is, they would know.
[0:48] <Mehhh> remove from case, use mhl / hdmi
[0:48] <plugwash> Mehhh, according to sources i've found the IMX6 does indeed support 2GB according to freescale the IMX53 did too but as of right now noone seems to be putting that much ram on the boards and selling them
[0:49] <simula> plugwash... it is less swapping than 256MB :)
[0:49] <Mehhh> There are multiple Pico / Mini ITX boards with the tegra 3, but not sure of ram
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[0:49] <plugwash> simula, true but we already have boards with 1GB for building raspbian
[0:50] <plugwash> and we want more to cut down our worst case build times and increase build throughput
[0:50] <reesk> i only managed to find 2 places and both dont make it verry cheap
[0:51] <Mehhh> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/10/17/89-hiapad-hi802-android-mini-pc-based-on-freescale-i-mx6-quad-processor/
[0:51] <simula> plugwash... the chromebooks do look pretty sweet with dual core 2GB ram
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[0:52] <plugwash> indeed but they would make less than ideal autobuilders due to the form factor and lack of native sata and native ethernet
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[0:53] <plugwash> If someone does actually release an imx6 or omap5 quad core board with 2GB of ram it would be better
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[0:54] * SpeedEvil wants to try adding 2g to a nexus 7
[0:55] <Mehhh> hey plugwash
[0:55] <Mehhh> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/09/06/dual-droid-tv-stick-based-on-rockchip-rk3066-with-2gb-ram-16gb-flash/
[0:56] <Mehhh> similar are being cloned and i believe are on the chinese websites
[0:56] <Mehhh> alibaba, etc
[0:57] <dirty_d> plugwash, what about making qemu more stable?
[0:58] <dirty_d> i was able to build for arm about as fast as native code using scratchbox2 which uses qemu
[0:58] <plugwash> qemu is an option and solves the ram problem but it basically means you are taking a power hungry PC CPU and making it as slow as a low power arm
[0:58] <dirty_d> its just that i guess that qemu isnt perfect
[0:59] <dirty_d> not qemu system emulation
[0:59] <dirty_d> stratchbox emulates individual processes
[0:59] <dirty_d> its way way way faster
[0:59] <plugwash> yeah but it's still not fast
[0:59] <plugwash> I don't know how reliable a qemu user setup would be as an autobuilder
[0:59] <dirty_d> a little slower than building native code
[0:59] <dirty_d> no its fast
[1:00] <dirty_d> and youre not limited to one hardware thread of execution
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[1:00] <dirty_d> the problem is with qemu not being perfect
[1:01] <dirty_d> it crashes etc sometimes
[1:01] <dirty_d> or generates bad code
[1:01] <dirty_d> but its fixable
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[1:02] <Mehhh> plugwash, couldn't you use ZRAM with the quad core?
[1:02] <Mehhh> the cpu hit would be Mehhh
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[1:09] <lee> nuts, I was hoping firefox would run at a more tolerable speed on an overclocked pi with 512MB RAM
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[1:12] <atouk> lee, you have a 512 with latest firmware?
[1:12] <Xpl01t> they could develop another board, but they dont want to use cortex-A8 or A9 chips because they are all emploees from Broadcom, that really sucks =/
[1:12] <maicod> I made an extra partition on my sdcard (ext4) and sometimes the mounting of that filesys fails because the date stored in the filesys doesn't match the current date. It then goes into recovery mode. I got this partition added to my etc/fstab. Is there a way to make it see the filesys clean even when the date is incorrect ?
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[1:12] <simula> damn lee, firefox is pretty bloaty
[1:12] <maicod> iceweasel?
[1:13] <Mehhh> It would be nice if someone took firefox 16.0.1 and stripped it
[1:13] <Mehhh> for arm
[1:14] <simula> why the need for firefox and not something ligher?
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[1:14] <axion> it would still need xulrunner, which is huge. while you're at it you might want to reinvent the wheel.
[1:14] <dirty_d> maicod, why does the mounting of that one fail but not /?
[1:14] <simula> ahhh xul
[1:14] <lee> atouk: yes
[1:15] <lee> simula: required for webapp run internally
[1:15] <lee> unless midori supports javascript now, not even worth trying
[1:15] <atouk> can you paste me the result of cat /proc/cmdline
[1:15] <maicod> dirty_d: I sometimes restore a backup to /dev/mmcblk0p2 and it happens after that
[1:15] <axion> webkit would be a better alternative. uzbl, xombrero, or heavier midori and chromium are examples of faster/smaller browsers
[1:16] <maicod> atouk: your php script runs fine here now :) http://maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php
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[1:17] <maicod> dirty_d: it probably compares the stored date inside the system partition (that ofcourse is older since its coming from a backup)
[1:17] <atouk> get latest version. shows mempry, splits, and i removed the box around the meter
[1:17] <dirty_d> oh, hmm
[1:18] <lee> huh, it appears midori DOES support javascript, or at least the basic bits we use
[1:18] <lee> awespme!
[1:18] <simula> sweet
[1:18] <plugwash> <Mehhh> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/09/06/dual-droid-tv-stick-based-on-rockchip-rk3066-with-2gb-ram-16gb-flash/ <-- mmm, lacks any fast interfaces, also not clear if it will run normal linux, so not a great autobuilder. At least the chromebook has USB3
[1:18] <atouk>
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[1:19] <atouk> that's why i need the cmdline dump. i made some guesses to tell difference between 256 and 512 boards
[1:19] <des2> Is the webpage version on the webpage ?
[1:19] <axion> lee: try xombrero...it supports javascript, with a good security model. also a lighter browser
[1:20] <atouk> link at bottom
[1:20] <plugwash> but do keep making suggestions, hopefully i'll get wind of something good when we are next shopping for build hardware
[1:20] <plugwash> *by the time we are
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[1:21] <lee> oh dear. journal commit i/o error
[1:22] <atouk> that proves it. computers are male
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[1:22] <atouk> because girls keep diaries, not journals
[1:22] <dirty_d> lol
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[1:23] <dirty_d> what are you if you keep neither?
[1:24] <atouk> smart. Never write anything down. it always shows up in court sooner or later
[1:24] <lee> I wonder if that was overclock related
[1:24] <lee> axion: I'll give that a shot, thanks (never heard of it)
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[1:26] <ReggieUK> plugwash, http://www.andahammer.com/mini210s-sdk4/
[1:28] <plugwash> ReggieUK, umm
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[1:29] <plugwash> seems worse than a pandaboard or IMX53QSB in pretty much every way
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[1:30] <atouk> 200. and some people don't inderstand shy the pi is so popular
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[1:32] <Mehhh> I don't understand, with the A10 boards at 49$
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[1:34] <des2> Because $35 is less than $45.
[1:34] <ReggieUK> it depends entirely what you're looking for really
[1:35] <ReggieUK> loads of peripherals and screens for a start
[1:35] <maicod> sorry had a wifi quirk
[1:35] <maicod> atouk are you there ?
[1:35] <atouk> tup
[1:35] <atouk> (yup)
[1:36] <maicod> atouk: what is your url for the new version of the script?
[1:36] <ReggieUK> different target os's linux (qtbased, ubuntu, debian), android GB and ICS, winCE
[1:36] <atouk>
[1:36] <maicod> cool thanks
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[1:37] <plugwash> Mehhh, the Pi got the buzz while the cheap A10 boards were still vapourware and built up a big community. Also the A10 systems all seem to have been shipping with andriod which while a fine phone/tablet os is IMO not a great choice for much else
[1:37] <maicod> if you check http://maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php you see that the marking at NONE for the turbo mode (I didnt o/c it yet) isnt there ? what can be wrong?
[1:37] <plugwash> community means a lot with arm linux devices, there are many linux devices where the hardware is great but the software support sucks due to a lack of sufficient community
[1:38] <plugwash> (the IMX53 boards we use as autobuilders are an example of this)
[1:39] <ReggieUK> indeed plugwash, which is why I was happy with the mini210S
[1:39] <ReggieUK> they do other boards but I also know a few guys I hack around with have them too
[1:40] <ReggieUK> consequently, whether a community builds up or not I know I'm in very good company
[1:40] <ReggieUK> which has been borne out with a debian release imminent for it
[1:41] <ReggieUK> ubuntu already runs on it
[1:41] <maicod> the warranty bit isnt changed anymore due to overclocking huh ?
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[1:41] <plugwash> if ubuntu runs on something throwing debian on isn't exactly hard...
[1:41] <Orb> hi all.
[1:41] <plugwash> the biggest issue is ongoing kernel support in my experiance
[1:41] <ReggieUK> oh sure but at the time debian was built we had no idea they were producing ubuntu for it
[1:42] <ReggieUK> and our debian is running a more current kernel than their ubuntu
[1:42] <ReggieUK> they're on 2.6.xx for ubuntu
[1:42] <ReggieUK> we're on 3.0.8
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[1:45] <ReggieUK> it's all early days yet though, there's only a handful of us, we've had the boards about a month :)
[1:46] <simula> @ReggieUK - do you work on raspbian?
[1:47] <ReggieUK> no
[1:47] <atouk> get a cool project on hackaday, and all the kids will want one
[1:47] <plugwash> So what attracted you and your friends to that board?
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[1:47] <ReggieUK> you mean strap an arduino to it and call it blinky?
[1:48] <atouk> nah, that's been done. you need supre blinky, or mega blinky
[1:48] <maicod> atouk: I updated it. see http://maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php I still see none of the turbo settings buttons set :) it should say NONE
[1:48] <ReggieUK> one of the guys I know did a lot of work on the 2440 version of the board, they're very well made and ended up with mainline drivers etc.
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[1:48] <des2> It shoud say NONE.
[1:49] <maicod> yeah but it doesnt see the link I gave
[1:49] <ReggieUK> they're all samsung based boards, not some random chinese chip too
[1:50] <ReggieUK> so the range came recommended for a start
[1:51] <maicod> des2: so my Pi is misbehaving :)
[1:51] <des2> I can't even get yours to finish loading.
[1:51] <maicod> oh ?
[1:51] <maicod> can you retry now?
[1:51] <des2> Stuck at the 'Health' part
[1:51] <maicod> oh here it works fine
[1:51] <ReggieUK> they also sell bundles of these to industry customers for factory installation etc.
[1:52] <ReggieUK> so they're totally built for development
[1:53] <atouk> hmm why no turbo mode
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[1:53] <maicod> des2: the health should display the analog meter chart
[1:53] <plugwash> at a quick inspection the only attractive thing to me looks like the number of different IO connectors
[1:53] <maicod> it does here
[1:53] <atouk> odd
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[1:53] <ReggieUK> that attracted me too
[1:53] <maicod> maybe file permissions in /var/www
[1:53] <maicod> ?
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[1:54] <ReggieUK> I don't need the latest and greatest dual core boards etc.
[1:54] <atouk> paste back the result of cat /boot/config.txt | grep arm_freq
[1:54] <des2> Yeah still gets stuck at Health, atouk's works fine.
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[1:55] <maicod> des2: the chart app is a demo and is allowed only one diagram per page. maybe its cause more people try to view the page at once
[1:55] <des2> what browser are you using maicod ?
[1:55] <maicod> on the Pi netsurf on the laptop firefox (windows)
[1:55] <maicod> both work
[1:57] <maicod> oh no netsurf doesnt show everything correctly
[1:57] <maicod> but firefox on windows does
[1:57] <des2> it's firefox on Windows failing for me.
[1:57] <maicod> weird
[1:58] <atouk> which webserver are you running
[1:58] <maicod> v16
[1:58] <maicod> ?
[1:58] <maicod> nginx
[1:58] <atouk> using apache here
[1:59] <maicod> isnt that heavy on a PI
[1:59] <atouk> seems to be working ok
[2:00] <maicod> oh ok
[2:00] <maicod> but nginx is very light and it is said to be a good one too
[2:00] <maicod> I had lighttpd and on advise turned over to nginx
[2:00] <atouk> i'm not calculating national debt on it, so even if it's a little heavy, who cares
[2:00] <maicod> hehe
[2:01] <maicod> where you from atouk?
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[2:01] <atouk> nj
[2:01] <maicod> usa ?
[2:01] <atouk> yup
[2:01] <maicod> oh new jersey huh
[2:01] <maicod> I dont know all these state codes
[2:01] <maicod> <-Netherlands
[2:01] <atouk> sorry. forget that rest of the world is on here and may not know us states
[2:02] <maicod> don't worry
[2:02] <maicod> indeed I'm from outside USA :)
[2:02] <maicod> des2 is from usa too huh?
[2:02] <Peetz0r> I live in FL :p
[2:02] <maicod> hi Peetz0r
[2:02] <Peetz0r> hi maicod :)
[2:02] <des2> Everybody knows New Jersey, or at least the smell...
[2:02] <maicod> florida is nice and warm
[2:02] <maicod> cows ?
[2:02] <des2> (New Yorker)
[2:02] <atouk> and where are you from, des
[2:02] <Peetz0r> maicod: lol
[2:03] <maicod> des2: not far from NJ then
[2:03] <Peetz0r> The other FL
[2:03] <ReggieUK> can you guess where I'm from?
[2:03] <atouk> oh no wonder i don't understand half of what you write. it's the accent
[2:03] <maicod> LOL reggie
[2:03] <des2> Upper Kenya ?
[2:03] <Peetz0r> ReggieUK: just across that huge river-ish thing
[2:03] <maicod> reggie: where about in the UK ?
[2:03] <ReggieUK> england
[2:03] <maicod> reggie: I live opposite of the small pond called the channel :)
[2:04] <ReggieUK> bonjour
[2:04] <maicod> non
[2:04] <Peetz0r> I live closen to maicod than he is realising
[2:04] <maicod> peetz0r: oh are you ? :)
[2:04] <Peetz0r> he still doesn't understand what FL I'm talking about
[2:04] <maicod> je ne suis pas francais !
[2:04] <Peetz0r> world's biggest artificial island ;)
[2:04] <maicod> flevoland
[2:04] <Peetz0r> yeah :)
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[2:04] <ReggieUK> hallo?
[2:04] <maicod> thats close to noordholland yea
[2:05] <Peetz0r> Goedenavond
[2:05] <maicod> goedenavond :)
[2:05] <atouk> ghezeundheit!
[2:05] <maicod> LOL
[2:05] <Peetz0r> atouk: nope, thats german
[2:05] <maicod> americans hjahahahaha
[2:05] <ReggieUK> de
[2:05] <Peetz0r> that is *not* the same as dutch
[2:05] <maicod> no :)
[2:05] <ReggieUK> indeed
[2:05] <atouk> sorry, thought peet sneezed
[2:05] <Peetz0r> dutch != deutch :p
[2:05] <ReggieUK> that's like calling a canadian american
[2:06] <maicod> dutch is more civilized sounding than german :)
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[2:06] <ReggieUK> or portugeuse spanish
[2:06] <Peetz0r> canadians *are* americans
[2:06] <Peetz0r> america is the anme of two contenents
[2:06] <Peetz0r> anme*
[2:06] <maicod> anme ?
[2:06] <maicod> whats that word
[2:06] <atouk> canada almose was the 51 state. but we had to take quebec in the deal and that killed it
[2:06] <Peetz0r> name*
[2:06] <maicod> oh ;)
[2:06] <ReggieUK> but when you call someone american, in general you're talking about people from USA
[2:07] <maicod> yea
[2:07] <Peetz0r> also, is anyone gere going to Maker Faire today/tomorrow? http://mf050.nl/
[2:07] <des2> Canada keeps the French around to keep the US from invading.
[2:07] <maicod> what is MADE there :) ?
[2:07] <Peetz0r> dunno :p
[2:07] <maicod> babies ? LOL
[2:07] <Peetz0r> guess nit :p
[2:07] <maicod> hehehe
[2:07] <Peetz0r> not*
[2:08] <maicod> damn links I click open up in iceweasel
[2:08] <ReggieUK> trees, beavers and maple syrup
[2:08] <maicod> and that take ages
[2:08] <atouk> maker fair was 3 miles from here a few weeks back, and i didn't hear about it until after :(
[2:09] <maicod> peetz0r: grappig :)
[2:09] <Peetz0r> atouk: over 100 miles for me :p
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[2:09] <maicod> peetz0r: like 160 for me :)
[2:10] <maicod> KM
[2:10] <atouk> you two should car pool
[2:10] <maicod> haha I won't go cause got a birthday :) (one with children so its in the afternoon)
[2:10] <Peetz0r> fun fact, a proper train connection will be ready somewhere this december
[2:10] <maicod> hows the line called ?
[2:10] <Peetz0r> I asked other people which are planning to go, most are going by train, so no carpooling for me
[2:10] <maicod> hanzen?
[2:10] <Peetz0r> exactly
[2:11] <maicod> ah OK
[2:11] <maicod> you live in Almere ?
[2:11] <Peetz0r> yep
[2:11] <maicod> Purmerend
[2:11] <Peetz0r> ah
[2:11] <maicod> not so far LOL
[2:11] <Peetz0r> just above Amsterdam
[2:11] <maicod> yea
[2:11] <maicod> or below Hoorn etc.
[2:11] <maicod> dijk enkhuizen-lelystad :P
[2:12] <Peetz0r> I still love the fact that I live on the biggest artificial island on the world :)
[2:12] <maicod> hehehe well the maasvlakte is getting big too
[2:12] <Mehhh> plugwash , on the miniand forums we have 12.09 Ubuntu, Wheezy, Fedora, etc
[2:12] <Mehhh> and Mali400 drivers
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[2:14] <maicod> des2: I did chmod -R ugo+rw /var/www
[2:14] <maicod> maybe it helps
[2:16] <maicod> mehhh: is there a new release of wheezy out?
[2:17] <des2> Still blocks at HEALTH on firefox but works on IE 8 64
[2:17] <maicod> ahha
[2:17] <maicod> weird that my firefox works fine
[2:17] <Mehhh> yeh, the bodhi creator is toying with it atm
[2:17] <maicod> mehhh: ah so its not on the raspi page yet ?
[2:17] <atouk> mine loads ok with both?
[2:17] <Mehhh> no for ras
[2:18] <maicod> des2: is yours firefox 16 ?
[2:18] <Mehhh> plug was trying to highlight linux on pi
[2:18] <maicod> I use still v15
[2:18] <Mehhh> but ironically android devices have better linux support in some cases
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[2:18] <Mehhh> and can use the same images / roms on all devices from tablets to sticks to dev boards
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[2:18] <maicod> mehh: android is all java inside huh
[2:19] <Mehhh> only for the SDK
[2:19] <Mehhh> the NDK is C/C++
[2:19] <maicod> oh
[2:19] <Mehhh> but you have to compile for each, arm, mips, x86, etc
[2:19] <des2> 15.0.1
[2:19] <maicod> des: ah ok sounds not too old :)
[2:19] <maicod> des2: if it works on IE then forget it
[2:19] <maicod> dont worry
[2:20] <atouk> the meter is done with javascript. might be getting stuck there
[2:20] <maicod> did you disable javascript des ?
[2:21] <des2> Upgraded to 16.0.1 and that works.
[2:23] <des2> "You are using phpChart Lite. Please consider upgrading phpChart to the full version for commercial use and multiple charts support. ?? 2006 ~ 2012"
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[2:23] <atouk> i made that go away on mine ;)
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[2:24] <atouk> another firmware update
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[2:25] <maicod> atouk: by running rpi-update ?
[2:25] <PCLine_> I got my raspberry in today :)
[2:25] <atouk> yup
[2:26] <maicod> des2: cool there mustve been something damaged of your ff v15
[2:26] <maicod> atouk: but you can still use only one chart per page ?
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[2:26] <atouk> boot 30 minutes ago Remove plethora of start.elf files.
[2:26] <maicod> confrats PCLine_
[2:27] <atouk> yeah, but i'll fix that, too
[2:27] <PCLine_> Thanks. Forgot one thing. I have no Keyboard :(
[2:27] <atouk> ssh in
[2:27] <maicod> heheh isnt there a GNU chart scripts collection too?
[2:27] <linuxstb> atouk: So presumably the user can configure the RAM usage via config.txt...
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[2:27] <maicod> pcline: use ssh
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[2:28] <maicod> linuxstb: yeah but the raspi-config takes care of that
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[2:28] * linuxstb reads http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&p=198079&sid=efb3ab63673718b3bb4c67f98269d202#p198079
[2:29] <maicod> atouk: I didnt see you said 'ssh in' LOL . we both had the same idea hehe
[2:29] <PCLine_> Thanks. Let see what I can find on that.
[2:29] <maicod> atouk: 2 days ago I loaded up my pi with only power/sdcard and HUB (in which only a wifi dongle was)
[2:30] <maicod> it was really a box of tricks :) since mine is encased in LEGO :P
[2:31] <atouk> mine is still on the desktop with just power/wifi dongle/ and thumbdrive
[2:31] <atouk> no case
[2:32] <maicod> ah well I found it cute to have a case
[2:33] <des2> Cases would be better if it didn't look like an octopus.
[2:33] <maicod> http://s1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/?action=view&current=IMG_3567.jpg
[2:33] <atouk> doing this case as soon as i get some card stock
[2:33] <atouk> http://www.iammer.com/raspi/raspberryPiCase-Final.pdf
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[2:35] <linuxstb> maicod: Thanks, but I would prefer to know what's going on. e.g. for openelec
[2:35] <des2> a little black gaffer tape and cone cardboard and it'll be great
[2:35] <dirty_d> is that UK for duct tape?
[2:36] <maicod> linuxstb: as you wish ofc :)
[2:36] * maicod wonders what kind of pdf viewer I'm seeing . it can't even rotate or zoom :)
[2:37] <sraue> linuxstb, i know whats going on with the bootloaderfiles, i will do the needed changes
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[2:37] <des2> No gaffer tape is a little different it is used by people doing the lighting on sets.
[2:37] <dirty_d> hmm
[2:37] <dirty_d> sounds like something i would put over someones mouth
[2:38] <dirty_d> if i were into that kinda thing
[2:38] <atouk> the black paper stuff
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[2:38] * PiBot sets mode +v jimerickson
[2:38] <maicod> maybe best is klitterband (don't know english word)
[2:38] <dirty_d> which i am
[2:38] <maicod> peetz0r: help me out :)
[2:38] <dirty_d> give me ze gaffer tape!
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[2:38] * PiBot sets mode +v phenigma
[2:38] <maicod> LOL
[2:39] <maicod> whats different between sticky tape and gaffer other than thats its probably got much stronger glue
[2:39] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C3jFoMSdJU
[2:39] <maicod> can the Pi play youtube vids ?
[2:39] <des2> Sure
[2:39] <maicod> in which browser ?
[2:39] <des2> Maybe even with sound.
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[2:40] <lunra> ooh, voice
[2:40] <maicod> nice eh :)
[2:41] <lunra> :D
[2:41] <maicod> its cause you registered at NickServ
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[2:41] <lunra> But you need that to join the channel anyway
[2:41] <maicod> oh rite
[2:41] <maicod> I didnt even try without :)
[2:41] <lunra> there are 203 non-voiced people
[2:42] <lunra> So, odd.
[2:42] <maicod> maybe they devoiced themselves :)
[2:42] <lunra> Possibly.
[2:42] <PCLine_> I have '2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img' loaded on my SD Card. Can I change the settings on my Windows machine?
[2:42] <maicod> its an auto-thing that PiBot voices ya
[2:42] <lunra> PCLine_: you should be able to change config.txt, yes
[2:42] <maicod> pcline: sshd should be enabled
[2:42] <maicod> its defau;t
[2:42] <lunra> It -should- support CRLF format
[2:42] <maicod> default
[2:43] <lunra> or yes, you could change the settings from on the Pi itself
[2:43] <maicod> '/boot :)
[2:44] <maicod> reggieUK: how did ppl get here in the room without a voice ?
[2:44] <maicod> - the ' ofc
[2:44] <des2> Typing ?
[2:45] <PCLine_> Ok. I am going to try it out. Thankss for the help again.
[2:45] <maicod> ehm no I meant the voice status
[2:45] <maicod> yw
[2:45] <maicod> des2: some don't have a bulb in front of their name
[2:45] <lee> hrm, all the *start.elf files on github have gone, now you specify the memory split in config.txt
[2:45] <des2> Some of aren't thatbright.
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[2:46] <maicod> possibly des2 :)
[2:46] <lunra> Ugh, plugging things into the USB ports causing resets is annoying. I wonder why RPF simply replaced the polyfuses with jumpers.
[2:47] <maicod> oh does it really reset ? :(
[2:47] <maicod> I have 2 old style Pi's
[2:47] <lunra> http://elinux.org/Polyfuses_explained yup, last two paragraphs
[2:47] <lunra> Since August, it's just a 0-ohm resistor = a wire
[2:47] <plugwash> because the polyfuses were causing unacceptable voltage drop
[2:47] <maicod> no P&P anymore then
[2:48] <lunra> I know that the polyfuses were problematic, but it's a shame they didn't use a small resistor
[2:48] <maicod> lunra: if you use a HUB and plug in/out of there would it reset too?
[2:48] <lunra> Maybe not
[2:48] <maicod> would be an idea :)
[2:48] <lunra> I'll give it a go
[2:48] <plugwash> the real underlying problem is that a mobile phone charger isn't really an appropriate power supply for a small computer
[2:48] <maicod> ok cool
[2:48] * maicod doesnt use a mobile charger
[2:49] <des2> It might help if they put some larger caps near the USB ports.
[2:49] <maicod> I got a 1.2A psu from rs that they sold along with the Pi
[2:49] <des2> To help with the sudden current demands when plugging in
[2:49] <lunra> I'm running my Pi headless and using a HTC USB charger, 1A :\
[2:49] <maicod> so does a wifi stick work in the Pi's ports of the new version ?
[2:50] <maicod> I was told I needed a powered Hub (1st Pi rev)
[2:50] <atouk> had to get phone. what i miss?
[2:50] <lunra> definitely use a powered hub for something like that
[2:50] <maicod> scroll back :P
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[2:51] <atouk> always forward, never back. that's my motto
[2:51] <maicod> heh
[2:51] <maicod> you can't even phone and read ? geeeeee LOL
[2:51] <atouk> been slapped more than once for being TOO forward
[2:51] <maicod> better than they say you are backward :)
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[2:54] <lunra> dammit
[2:54] <maicod> filesys corrupted ?
[2:54] <lunra> connected an unpowered hub with nothing connected to it, now pi won't boot
[2:55] <maicod> did you remove it ?
[2:55] <lunra> disconnected it and it still won't
[2:55] <maicod> huh
[2:55] <lunra> I can only hope I tripped the main polyfuse
[2:55] <maicod> sorry to hear
[2:55] <atouk> red light on?
[2:55] <lunra> yes, the red one is
[2:55] <lunra> ACT is dim (green)
[2:55] <maicod> sdcard pressed firmwly ibn ?
[2:55] <atouk> then it ain't the fuse
[2:55] <maicod> in
[2:56] <lunra> yes, also tried reinserting the SD card
[2:56] <maicod> OK
[2:56] <atouk> when in doubt, POWER CYCLE!
[2:56] <lunra> I did try that
[2:56] <lunra> i'll leave it 10 minutes and see if it boots then :\
[2:56] <maicod> did you write an image to another SD ?
[2:56] <atouk> givis the green led blinking a little?
[2:56] <maicod> to test that one
[2:57] <des2> Welcome to SD card corruption....
[2:57] <lunra> I guess the green LED was blinking very rapidly at maybe a 5% duty cycle, but it was constant
[2:57] <maicod> des2: thats my department huh :)
[2:57] <lunra> i'll fsck the SD
[2:57] <des2> Its just more likely than a damaged PI
[2:58] <lunra> lol, yep, looks like the SD is toast. No automountd PiBoot
[2:58] <maicod> it should not break from connecting a hub so otherwise return it to the shop
[2:58] <lunra> [ 7874.775721] mmcblk0: unknown partition table
[2:58] <maicod> oh
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[2:58] <lunra> -reimage-
[2:58] <atouk> power drop on a write probobly killed filesystem
[2:58] <maicod> thats why I keep making backups
[2:58] <lunra> shame i have to reconf my pi XD
[2:59] <lunra> Well, i only got my Pi two days ago :)
[2:59] * maicod has been to filecorruption hell alot of times :(
[2:59] <maicod> poor you
[2:59] <atouk> but that's the fun part. every time you redo it, you do it different. better
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[2:59] <maicod> atoul: while spending months on the Pi :)
[2:59] <maicod> atouk
[2:59] <lunra> I think i'll play filesystem surgeon for fun
[3:00] <maicod> e2fsck it on your pc :)
[3:00] <atouk> well, it is sold as an educational tool. not a super stable do everythign right he first time and even good for mac idiots board
[3:00] <lunra> well,the partition table is toast
[3:00] <maicod> atouk: yea :) I am not a user like those ppl anyways so I don't complain
[3:01] <lunra> atouk: don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining
[3:01] <maicod> oh dam
[3:01] <maicod> damn
[3:01] <atouk> dahm?
[3:01] <maicod> I said dam and corrected it
[3:01] <maicod> it was a typo
[3:01] <atouk> sorry. thought we were playing boggle
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[3:02] <heathkid> we have a dam
[3:02] * maicod likes Ruzzle on android :)
[3:02] <atouk> scrabble rules them all
[3:03] <maicod> lunra: hope the sdcard isnt toast
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[3:03] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[3:03] <PCLine_> Hi CelticTurnip
[3:03] <atouk> haven't heard of a card actually going bad because of a corrupt file system error
[3:03] <maicod> no but he said the partition table is corrupted
[3:04] <maicod> so thats weird
[3:04] <lunra> nah, normal
[3:04] <maicod> thats not happening easily
[3:04] <lunra> flash blocks are pretty big
[3:04] <atouk> partition table is a fleeting thing. written once and at the mercy of every improper write cycle
[3:05] <maicod> hehe they should make the MBR readonly :)
[3:05] <maicod> that the lock on the sdcard only locks sector 0
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[3:06] <atouk> that's ok, i can just pull mine out and as long as i don't do anything in /boot, the pi doesn't care
[3:06] <maicod> what do you mean with doing anything in /boot would make it 'break'
[3:07] <maicod> editing files on /boot affect mmcblk0p2 ?
[3:07] <atouk> if i don't try to read or write to /boot then the os is oblivious to the fact that it isn't there anymore
[3:09] <maicod> so editing files in /boot when the Pi is running is not wise ?
[3:09] <atouk> no. editing files in /boot when pi si running and the sd cardi is removed isnot a good idea
[3:10] <maicod> oh you mean you remove the card sometimes after its booted ?
[3:10] <atouk> because my rootfs is in /dev/sda3
[3:10] <maicod> never did that ;)
[3:10] <maicod> ah I understand
[3:10] <atouk> oops /dev/sda2
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[3:10] <lunra> [ 8659.615017] mmcblk0: mmc0:d555 SD032 30.6 MiB
[3:10] <lunra> yeah what
[3:11] <lunra> it's only showing up as a 30MB card
[3:11] <atouk> raspi-config
[3:11] <lunra> and dd is failing after ~30MB
[3:11] <atouk> expand filesystem
[3:11] <lunra> nonono
[3:11] <lunra> I'm on my x86 laptop
[3:11] <lunra> trying to reimage
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[3:11] <maicod> atouk: you just have to edit the /etc/fstab and move the filesys huh
[3:11] <atouk> cmdline.txt
[3:11] <maicod> I've been thinking about that option too
[3:11] <lunra> maybe it did stuff the card
[3:12] <maicod> oh cmdline.txt needs to be edited
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[3:13] <atouk> i have cmdline.sd and cmdline.usb. i just cp to cmdline.txt depending on wher i want the rootfs to be
[3:13] <lunra> Does anyone know how to do some kind of low-level format of an SD card? It's totalled.
[3:13] <maicod> atouk: ah OK cool
[3:13] <lunra> (and i'm cheap so I don't really wish to spend another $7 :D)
[3:14] <atouk> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/sda2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[3:14] <maicod> lunra: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd(x)
[3:14] <atouk> that's cmdline.usb
[3:14] <maicod> lunra: dd bs=1024K if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd(x)
[3:14] <lunra> no dice, dds are failing after 32M, I'm wondering if there's a lower level
[3:14] <maicod> lunra: got a pc with linux ?
[3:15] <maicod> nope there isnt
[3:15] <maicod> then its broken
[3:15] <maicod> old ?
[3:15] <lunra> Yeah, I'm running Linux.
[3:15] <atouk> lunra, you have a win machine?
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[3:15] <lunra> atouk: nope, but I can probably borrow one
[3:15] <maicod> got a spare card ?
[3:16] <lunra> nope
[3:16] <maicod> if it stops at 32MB from the start it must have bad blocks
[3:16] <maicod> did you use a bs=1024K or such ?
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[3:16] <atouk> try with win32imagewriter
[3:17] <lunra> maicod: yup, tried both
[3:17] <atouk> if the two programs agree it's a bad card, then trash it
[3:17] <lunra> atouk: will do
[3:17] <maicod> yeah I fear the card is dead
[3:17] <lunra> dammit flash memory :<
[3:18] <lunra> Well there you have it folks, a bad write can result in dead cards :)
[3:18] <maicod> yeah 32MB then its not usable :(
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[3:18] <atouk> usb drive. faster and for the same money as a sd, bigger
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[3:18] <maicod> if the bad part starts at a couple of gigs its usable :)
[3:18] <lunra> but the raspi only boots from SD
[3:18] <maicod> yeah the first piece
[3:19] <maicod> only the 56 MB fat32 piece is needed
[3:19] <lunra> ooh, yeah, I'll see if the card can read back the first 32M correctly
[3:19] <maicod> that doesnt say its writable at the bad sector :P
[3:20] <lunra> nope, it's stuffed completely
[3:21] <lunra> root@KirisameM /tmp# echo lunra > /dev/mmcblk0
[3:21] <lunra> root@KirisameM /tmp# head -c5 /dev/mmcblk0
[3:21] <maicod> lunra: I've had a usb cardreader that did such errors . you're sure the cardreader is sane ?
[3:21] <lunra> Ooh, could be the card reader. I don't have another handy though :\
[3:21] <lunra> I'll see if I can borrow a friend'
[3:21] <maicod> :(
[3:21] <lunra> s laptop and see if that work
[3:21] <lunra> s
[3:22] <maicod> ah laptop has a cardreader ?
[3:22] <lunra> yep
[3:22] <maicod> cool
[3:22] <maicod> try it
[3:22] <lunra> that's what I'm using now, in my laptop
[3:22] <maicod> o:)
[3:23] <maicod> I got a usb stick like thing that can hold an SD card
[3:24] <maicod> lunra: maybe got a videocam or photocam with sdcard ? you can use that card :P
[3:25] <lunra> Well, I guess in the meantime I'll see if I can get my AVR programmer working and such so I actually have something to use the Pi -for-.
[3:25] <lunra> maicod: that's the thing,I don't. I threw out a lot of things a couple of months ago
[3:25] <maicod> ok good luck
[3:25] <maicod> hoarders are the best lunra :)
[3:25] <atouk> you're actually supposed to use the pi FOR something? when did this start...
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[3:25] <maicod> LOL @ atouk
[3:26] <lunra> Well, it's probably better than leaving it to idle off clock cycles
[3:26] * maicod is using it to chat here :P
[3:26] <dirty_d> they should play this song in the next global apocalypse movie while the hero saves the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16RCvtziXj0
[3:26] * maicod refuses to lock up his Pi with the vid
[3:27] * lunra is a power efficiency nut. his main desktop is a Cortex-a8, but for some reason he's using an x86 laptop right now
[3:27] <maicod> LOL
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[3:27] <maicod> well taking your desktop to lazy about would be harder :)
[3:28] <lunra> eeyup
[3:28] <maicod> a bit heavy on yer lap :)
[3:28] <maicod> and full of wires :)
[3:28] <lunra> nah, it's tiny
[3:28] <maicod> oh
[3:28] <atouk> linux on a laptop that isn't dual booted with windows?
[3:28] <lunra> and I'm using a small monitor
[3:28] <maicod> got a photo of it ?
[3:29] <maicod> the cortex
[3:29] <dirty_d> lunra, you better drive a bicycle
[3:29] <maicod> atouk: i got ubuntu and windows xp on my laptop
[3:29] <maicod> and use GRUB to chose
[3:29] <maicod> choose
[3:29] <lunra> http://dx.com/p/mk802-mini-android-4-0-network-multi-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-black-eu-plug-153792?item=4 one of these
[3:30] <atouk> sorry, got out of sync and thought that was lunra with the laptop
[3:30] <lunra> dirty_d: I don't :\. I'm about as environmentally friendly as a tire fire.
[3:30] <maicod> holdon iceweasel is stealing the cpui
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[3:30] <lunra> I just like my computers to use the least
[3:30] <maicod> lunra: thats whats so fun about the Pi
[3:30] <maicod> that its small/slow
[3:30] <dirty_d> you monster
[3:31] <maicod> huh this is a whole system?
[3:31] <lunra> My vehicle is a small Toyota Yaris. so it's not the worst, but still bad.
[3:31] <dirty_d> no its good
[3:31] <lunra> maicod: yup, and people have released Lubuntu/Ubuntu/Linaro/Arch/SuSE/etc images for it too
[3:32] <maicod> lunra: ah cool. you said desktop and then I thought you meant a large case like thing as back in the old days
[3:32] <dirty_d> if a Yaris is bad what is a 23 year old 5 liter mustang?
[3:32] <lunra> I'm trying to not promote them in here because someone will probably be mad at me
[3:32] * maicod got a Kia
[3:32] <maicod> Kia Rio
[3:32] <lunra> dirty_d: "rather bad" :)
[3:32] <atouk> not as bad as a lincoln mark VII with the 5 liter
[3:33] * maicod uses cars just to get around
[3:33] <lunra> ditto
[3:33] <lunra> I like to think my driving style is fairly efficient too.
[3:33] <atouk> nothing says you can't "just get around" in style...
[3:34] <dirty_d> atouk, its not?
[3:34] <maicod> hehe lunra
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[3:34] <lunra> compared to some of the idiots around my town, very efficient.
[3:34] <dirty_d> same engine
[3:35] <atouk> meant that towards lunra
[3:35] <maicod> lunra: can it run
[3:35] <lunra> dirty_d: if it's heavier, there is more load on the engine
[3:35] <maicod> lunra: can it run regular linux too ?
[3:35] <lunra> therefore higher RPM, more fuel intake, etc
[3:35] <maicod> not android
[3:35] <dirty_d> lunra, only uphill!
[3:35] <lunra> maicod: what do you mean 'regular linux'?
[3:35] <lunra> oh
[3:35] <lunra> Yep
[3:35] <dirty_d> downhill its an advantage
[3:35] <dirty_d> lol
[3:35] <maicod> lunra: ah cool . is it much faster than a Pi ?
[3:36] <atouk> even crusing at 80 a big car can be more efficient than a small one
[3:36] <dirty_d> aerodynamics is the most important
[3:36] <lunra> maicod: I've not benchmarked it, but with carefully written NEON code and utilising the bigger cache, yes.
[3:36] <maicod> OK cool
[3:36] <maicod> its a nice thing to have for that price
[3:36] <atouk> tonnage. get that mass moving and to want's to keep moving
[3:36] <dirty_d> word
[3:36] <maicod> wondering how long dx will take to deliver :0
[3:37] <lunra> http://cubieboard.org/ same hardware, don't bite me for linking this
[3:37] <bircoe> atouk, I own 3 cars, a 2.2 ton AWD Wagon, 1.6 ton Sedan and a 1.1 ton Hatch, the Hatch spanks both the other cars for efficiency no matter the driving speds
[3:37] <dirty_d> low mileage is mostly due to a high power engine being used at low power
[3:37] <lunra> maicod: Mine shipped after a week, but i think I got lucky
[3:37] <dirty_d> throttled engines are not efficient at low power output
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[3:38] <maicod> yeah and christmas is coming soon again so .....
[3:38] <atouk> i like big cars, and little cars. it's the in between ones i dont like
[3:38] <maicod> dx is very slow during october-january
[3:38] <dirty_d> me too
[3:38] <bircoe> atouk... what a coincidence, I like my big car and my little car... hate the inbetween car :)
[3:39] <[diecast]> i like my wagon and suv, not my mid-size sedan
[3:39] <atouk> my two favorite cars i had were a 67 camaro, and a 73 fiat 850
[3:40] <lunra> the only thing about the mk802 is that there is no real graphics driver
[3:41] <dirty_d> ive only owned 3 cars
[3:41] <lunra> It doesn't work yet. No GLES. No accel. (android works fine though)
[3:41] <dirty_d> and i still have them all, lol
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[3:41] <ackthet> hey guys whats the status of the BSD build for the pi?
[3:41] <atouk> fiat was fun. rear engin 4 cyl with 4 speed. only weighed 1600 pounds
[3:42] <bircoe> dirty_d, i've owned about 20 and currently own 6!
[3:42] <maicod> guys i'm off now
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[3:42] <bircoe> fiats were good little things
[3:43] <lunra> ackthet: which BSD?
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[3:43] <dirty_d> i wanna build an electric car
[3:43] <ackthet> any
[3:43] <ackthet> i just want a working ports tree :P
[3:43] <atouk> card that go really fast are fun. cars that go really fast on winding roads are funner
[3:43] <atouk> (cars)
[3:43] <lunra> http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/wanna_raspberry
[3:44] <bircoe> i agreee atouk
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[3:44] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: NetBSD 6.x has basic Pi support, with full support coming at a later date... whatever that means :)
[3:44] <CelticTurnip> bring on the BSDs!
[3:45] <lautzu> [SLB]: I realize it has been about 6 hours but thanks for the links earlier. I'm finally at home to have a chance to look at your blog posts and they have a lot of info.
[3:45] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: you want a Pi running ZFS?
[3:47] <bircoe> atouk, my Ford is pretty fast in a straight line, but too heavy to handle... byut my Audi is moderately fast in a straight line and because it's light handles exceptionally well.
[3:48] <atouk> http://www.1zoom.net/Cars/wallpaper/297275/z1332.9/
[3:48] <atouk> had one just like that
[3:49] <atouk> the raspberry pi of sports cars
[3:49] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/skrll/rpi-netbsd-6.img.gz
[3:49] <CelticTurnip> downloading... :)
[3:50] <bircoe> not a huge fan, I more prefer the 131's
[3:51] <bircoe> are you implying they're worth $35 :)
[3:51] <atouk> sports car should have only 2 seats and a removable top
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[3:52] <atouk> don't even know what one is worth today
[3:53] <bircoe> http://m.cdn.blog.hu/sz/szirszarjaim/file/Abarth_red.jpg
[3:53] <atouk> those are ony fun if you're running over spectators at a rally
[3:54] <bircoe> LOL
[3:54] <bircoe> wasn't that Audi :P
[3:54] <atouk> they all did at one time or another
[3:54] <bircoe> heh
[3:54] <bircoe> <<< big Datsun fan
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[3:54] <bircoe> I own 2 at the moment
[3:55] <atouk> i did have a nissan gxe van that was a GREAT vehicle
[3:55] <bircoe> i think they were called Urvan's in oz...
[3:57] <atouk> might be the same from the pics
[3:57] <atouk> perfect road trip vehicle
[3:57] <bircoe> I hate how nissan renames cars for different markets
[3:57] <bircoe> but love nissans
[3:58] <atouk> 2nd row seate were rotating captains chairs, back bench seat laid flat for use as a bed. seperate ac for front and rear. two sun roofs, fridge/icemaker
[3:59] <bircoe> nice
[3:59] <atouk> nissan bought them all back because of engine fires. engine was between front seats
[3:59] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: oh my goooooooooo
[4:00] <ackthet> im going to zfs the shit out of it
[4:00] <ackthet> cant gave my OS img getting corrupted now can we
[4:00] <atouk> careful, you'll wake the reggie
[4:03] <bircoe> this is my family Wagon/Weapon
[4:04] <bircoe> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1k5l6wqbsa4pru2/2012-06-06%2008.37.40.jpg
[4:04] <bircoe> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ghehs6k3a4g8lfm/2012-06-06%2008.37.16.jpg
[4:04] <ackthet> thats no weapon...
[4:05] <bircoe> even seen how fat they are?
[4:05] <bircoe> fast rather
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[4:06] <bircoe> in Australia there is no faster SUV on the affordable sane side of things like BMX X5M's or Porche Cayanne Turbos...
[4:06] <ackthet> this is a weapon: http://i.imgur.com/0UMOHh.jpg
[4:07] <bircoe> :/
[4:07] <bircoe> I can't legally own that type of weapon...
[4:07] <bircoe> gun control laws you see.
[4:08] <ackthet> sad
[4:08] <ackthet> very sad
[4:08] <bircoe> no it means shootings are very few and far between where I live
[4:08] <dirty_d> looks like the half-life pistol
[4:08] <atouk> never cared for clocks
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=m-ch-fea&v=Rw9jA7VWqw4
[4:09] <SpeedEvil> this is a weapon
[4:09] <ackthet> atouk: find me another auto chambered in 10mm <_<
[4:09] <bircoe> that guy is awesome!
[4:09] <SIFTU> bircoe: so not Port Arthor then?
[4:09] <bircoe> no :P
[4:10] <atouk> i'll keep my beretta 92fs
[4:10] <ackthet> bircoe: did you say you were from .au?
[4:10] <dirty_d> i had that gun in the army
[4:10] <bircoe> indeed
[4:10] <ackthet> atouk: enjoy shooting the bears with 9mm
[4:10] <ackthet> or .40
[4:11] <atouk> it's all about shot placement. if you aren't placed where you need to shoot a bear, no problem
[4:11] <dirty_d> that aht dude shooting vibrators?
[4:11] <bircoe> uh huh!
[4:11] * CelticTurnip hides from drop bears
[4:11] <ackthet> atouk: if you want to go camping... wat do
[4:11] * ackthet laught and then punches CelticTurnip
[4:12] <atouk> bring a friend. one that can't run faster than you
[4:12] <CelticTurnip> as an Australian I pay my drop bear insurance every year and hope for the best
[4:12] <bircoe> those drop bears'll get ya everytime
[4:13] <bircoe> no gun can defeat them!
[4:13] <atouk> i do have a few other weapons to choose from. about 25 pistols and 30 or so rifles ;)
[4:13] <CelticTurnip> not even a titanium umbrella
[4:14] <dirty_d> quite the armory
[4:14] <bircoe> isn't that they're breakfast?
[4:14] <atouk> like pokemon. gotta get them all
[4:14] <bircoe> where do you live atouk ?
[4:14] <ackthet> hehe 1 guess
[4:14] * CelticTurnip prays to his statue of Dennis Ritchie while invoking a blood sacrifice using a penguin.
[4:14] <atouk> not all mine though. buddy and i share gun lockers
[4:15] <bircoe> which sate? i need to cross it off my list of places to visit :P
[4:15] <ackthet> just because he owns guns doesnt mean hes a blood hungry murderer...
[4:15] <atouk> nah, we take lots of noobs shooting. haven't had one yet we haven't converted
[4:15] <ackthet> ^
[4:15] * ackthet has seen it
[4:15] <CelticTurnip> you shoot noobs?
[4:15] <bircoe> LOL
[4:16] <atouk> and of all the guns, i shoot 22s more than the others
[4:16] <CelticTurnip> There are plenty in #openbsd go lurk :)
[4:16] <bircoe> convert to gun owners or get shot?
[4:16] <ackthet> atouk: ammo is so cheap for .22
[4:16] <dirty_d> i made a crossbow when i was like 12 with a 2x4 and fiberglass reflectors
[4:16] <atouk> yup. and i take my 60 y/o mossberg to the range and outshoot all the new guys with theri custom ruger 10/22s
[4:16] <bircoe> we can own rifles in Aus with appropriate licences... quite a few buddies have .22's and 303's etc
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[4:18] <dirty_d> never thought to use rubber like this guy
[4:18] <SpeedEvil> shotguns/rifles are easy for many in the UK.
[4:18] <CelticTurnip> I'm all about peace, I use the BSDs and wear flowers in my hair. I only get beaten up once a week now.
[4:18] <SpeedEvil> I could get both quite easily
[4:18] <CelticTurnip> You Linux users and your guns!
[4:19] <bircoe> I'm a linux user and don't own a gun :P
[4:19] <dirty_d> not yet...
[4:19] <CelticTurnip> Join the peacefull dudes install a BSD!
[4:19] <atouk> <yodavoice>you will. YOU WILL...</yodavoice>
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> I have just purchased a device guaranteed to be lethal at a significant range.
[4:19] <CelticTurnip> Linux users are agressive, I once saw one eat it's own foot
[4:19] <dirty_d> will, you will
[4:19] <CelticTurnip> wait does that GNU dude use Linux or Hurd these days?
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[4:20] <markbook> Are you kidding? I love that "that GNU dude"
[4:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mowermagic.co.uk/acatalog/RYOBI_RPP720_Electric_Pole_Pruner.html
[4:20] <bircoe> that's tough
[4:20] <bircoe> i own a Nerf gun... does that count?
[4:20] <CelticTurnip> love? that's strong words :)
[4:20] <atouk> ah, a long reach anti-zombie device
[4:21] <markbook> not the guy. the phrase for him
[4:21] <bircoe> should get one of those... theres bound to be a zombie plague soon
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[4:22] <CelticTurnip> markbook: he's a nut, who goes on a webcast and eats their own foot crust?
[4:22] <markbook> and the fact that you're obviously young enough and distant enough from him that it doesn't matter that you know his name. Richard Stallman. I have no idea what he uses for a computer but I'm betting he limps on the Hurd.
[4:22] <bircoe> need a few spare batteries tho... nd on the plus side no need to lubricte the chain with all the zombies it will be slaYING.
[4:22] <markbook> Yep.
[4:22] <ackthet> markbook: he uses a Longsoon
[4:22] <dirty_d> a machete doesnt run out of batteries
[4:23] <markbook> guy had one really good idea and a lot of really good coding before he got too whacko to be productive.
[4:23] <atouk> matter of fact, going to miss an M! Garand match this sunday. have to do stuff with the family
[4:23] <ackthet> its a pretty BAMF machine... MIPS cpu
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[4:23] <Syliss> i think i may sell my raspberry pi and lapdock
[4:23] * markbook thinks he's earned a boot probably for personal disrespect.
[4:23] <atouk> 30-06 is a hell of a round
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[4:24] <dirty_d> in other words, 30-06 is to rounds as cocain is to drugs
[4:24] <ackthet> nah
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[4:25] <lunra> does RMS still use a Longsoon? I thought his laptop got stolen, not sure if he bouht another
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[4:28] <CelticTurnip> I wonder who would win in a cage match RMS or Theo De Raadt?
[4:28] <ackthet> de Raadt would woop butt
[4:29] <dirty_d> .300 ultra mag
[4:29] <ackthet> The Power Of BSD Compeles Him
[4:29] <CelticTurnip> LOL
[4:30] <atouk> well, pick any of the nitro expresss big game rounds. but who wants to pay 8 dollars a bullet
[4:30] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: you read the battle between RMS and Theo on the OBSD mailing lists? RMS is a kick arse troll, gotta respect that! He flame baited the whole OBSD community. :)
[4:30] <ackthet> atouk: load them yourself
[4:30] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: true true...
[4:30] <ackthet> i did read that
[4:30] <ackthet> it came into my mailbox as it went down
[4:30] <atouk> only do my own on 556/223 and 30-06
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[4:31] <dirty_d> remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EVqT3XEzss
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[4:33] <atouk> biggest i've shot is 50 bmg in rifle and sw 500 pistol
[4:33] <atouk> no interest in buying either
[4:35] <bircoe> I love this cliphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSv6g4N6UWc
[4:35] <atouk> yeah both lucky and unlucky at the same time
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[4:37] <bircoe> there's a funny one of a woman attempting to fire a Desert Eagle... crack up
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[4:38] <ackthet> my gf fired a desert eagle
[4:38] <ackthet> it was awesome
[4:39] <bircoe> does the auto shotgun from Expendibles exist?
[4:39] <ackthet> autoshotties do exist
[4:39] <bircoe> scary...
[4:39] <ackthet> not sure which one
[4:39] <lautzu> That reminds me of shooting a Mosin Nagant M44. First 5 rounds were on target. 2nd set of 5 didn't hit anything as I was twitching heh
[4:39] <ackthet> AA-12 is a popular one
[4:40] <ackthet> bircoe: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/AA-12.jpg
[4:40] <ackthet> that it?
[4:40] <atouk> love the fireball nuggets make. scares new shooters ;)
[4:40] <ackthet> http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8
[4:40] <bircoe> nah
[4:40] <bircoe> it looks like a cross between a shotgun/assualt rifle and a tommy gun
[4:41] <bircoe> actually no your right
[4:42] <megatog615> what is that shotgun from cs:go?
[4:42] <megatog615> the one with a clip
[4:42] <megatog615> if anyone's played that
[4:42] <ackthet> counterstrike?
[4:42] <bircoe> http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/8/83/Expendables_AA-12_BtS.jpg/600px-Expendables_AA-12_BtS.jpg
[4:42] <ackthet> how do you know its real? (i've never played)
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[4:43] <lautzu> I know of the "street sweeper" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armsel_Striker
[4:43] <bircoe> http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/f0/Exp_529.jpg
[4:44] <ackthet> lautzu: thats a 'revolver'
[4:44] <ackthet> i dont believe its full auto
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[4:44] <atouk> not full auto
[4:45] <atouk> and certainly not legal without a class III license
[4:45] <lautzu> True. I know a lot of fun things aren't legal wihout class III :(
[4:45] <ackthet> atouk: they make it class III cause it 'looks scary'
[4:46] <ackthet> at least thats what i hear
[4:46] <ackthet> oh its also a SBS
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[4:52] <atouk> well, i live in a state that considers adjustable buttstocks "assault" weapons
[4:53] <bircoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8&feature=player_detailpage#t=170s
[4:53] <bircoe> love it!
[4:54] <dirty_d> you can sabot a .308 in a .50MBG and get 7000fps?
[4:54] <atouk> not really sure I NEED AP rounds
[4:55] <dirty_d> lol that guy is my twin
[4:56] <bircoe> are you a professional Russian too?
[4:56] <dirty_d> unfortunately no
[4:56] <dirty_d> is he shooting blanks?
[4:56] <dirty_d> theres no recoil
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[4:56] <dirty_d> in the slow mo
[4:56] <dirty_d> ok nevermind
[4:57] <atouk> shotguns don't have the recoil in real life that they do in the movies
[4:57] <dirty_d> i dunno, id go through a box of slugs at the range and be feeling it when i was done
[4:58] <dirty_d> tehy do exagerate the force when someone gets hit by a shotgun though'
[4:58] <atouk> slugs are different
[4:58] <atouk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP4FjODPDFA
[4:58] <atouk> there's a shotgun round for you
[4:59] <bircoe> dirty_d, you mean when a baddy takes a 30ft fly from a single shot?
[4:59] <dirty_d> yea
[5:00] <bircoe> heh always makes me laugh...
[5:00] <dirty_d> how doesahe have hte money for this stuff?
[5:00] <dirty_d> and the legality?
[5:01] <bircoe> was watching Cradle 2 the Grave last night and theres a couple of scenes where Jet Li sends guys flying across a room with a clean round house kick and it doesn't even throw him off balance!
[5:02] <bircoe> funny stuff
[5:02] <dirty_d> physics dont apply to Jet Li
[5:03] <bircoe> heh
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[5:05] <megatog615> ackthet: i dont know if it's real
[5:06] <bircoe> This Russian bloke spends allot of money of soda!
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[5:07] <atouk> not sure where he is, but he gets some really nice toys to play with
[5:07] <bircoe> maybe I should look at becomign a profesional russian :)
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[5:08] <bircoe> now this is just silly!
[5:08] <bircoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSp7CipN1pw&feature=relmfu
[5:08] <bircoe> he has to work for some military supplies store or something
[5:09] <dirty_d> i think he lives in the american south
[5:09] <dirty_d> and isnt russian
[5:10] <bircoe> it's a pretty convincing Russian accent!
[5:10] <bircoe> haha I own those exact ear muffs
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[5:10] <atouk> daddy is probobly party or military big wig
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[5:11] <dirty_d> yea, from georgia
[5:11] <lautzu> FPSRussian isn't Russian but has a lot of nice guns :D
[5:11] <dirty_d> learned the russian accent from a russian he worked with at a car dealership, lol
[5:11] <bircoe> haha
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[5:11] <bircoe> or playing GTA
[5:12] <dirty_d> speaking with a russian accent is a satisfying thing
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[5:14] <bircoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSp7CipN1pw&feature=relmfu
[5:14] <bircoe> He's says Oregan in this clip
[5:15] <bircoe> nope wrong clip
[5:15] <bircoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1o1BrXP1A&feature=player_profilepage#t=63s
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[5:17] <dirty_d> wow $3000 of explosives
[5:18] <dirty_d> didnt look like that much
[5:18] <dirty_d> that was 200lb!?
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[5:22] <dirty_d> impressive, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAJN_8c_RKs&feature=relmfu
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[5:28] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: has voice!
[5:28] * CelticTurnip mumbles
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[5:29] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: growing the UNIX beard?
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[5:29] <AR_> hi
[5:30] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: nah watching Paul, and pondering the move from OpenBSD to FreeBSD on 1 of the HP servers :)
[5:30] <ackthet> do it do it
[5:31] <CelticTurnip> I might grab 2 of my spare SSDs and do a ZFS mirror
[5:31] <CelticTurnip> I'm feeling pretty lazy at the moment though :)
[5:32] <ryao> CelticTurnip: For a moment there, I thought that I read that you were going to do a ZFS mirror on the Raspberry Pi.
[5:32] <ryao> Then I read a bit more context.
[5:32] <CelticTurnip> :)
[5:32] <ryao> CelticTurnip: It is possible by the way.
[5:33] <SIFTU> CelticTurnip: a mirror for zils?
[5:33] <CelticTurnip> ryao: really? that's crazy :)
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[5:34] <ryao> CelticTurnip: The person who wrote the ARM port did some debugging to figure out what was wrong. He posted the output from trace statements and I wrote a patch based on it that I am told fixed the problem.
[5:34] <ryao> Now you can use ZFSOnLinux git head master on ARM provided that you tune vmalloc and possibly also zfs_arc_max.
[5:35] <SIFTU> i cant imagine that being very usable at all
[5:35] <CelticTurnip> ryao: nice
[5:36] <ryao> SIFTU: It works.
[5:36] <SIFTU> ryao: maybe, i guess
[5:37] <SIFTU> the 2 things zfs likes most is cpu and ram, arm has neither
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[5:38] <ryao> SIFTU: There are plans to make ARC scale down on systems with less RAM more gracefully.
[5:38] <ryao> SIFTU: The issue has to do with the virtual memory backed slabs. They are going to be removed in favor of page cache unification. The expectation is that it will run comfortably on a system with no more than 128MB of RAM.
[5:39] <bircoe> whats arc?
[5:40] <SIFTU> ryao: but what about cpu?? also being a 128bit filesystem it's recommended to run on 64bit procs
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[5:41] <SIFTU> bircoe: are is a seperate read cache usually ssds frontending your disk
[5:41] <SIFTU> arc*
[5:41] <bircoe> ahhh
[5:41] <ryao> SIFTU: How much IO do you plan to do?
[5:41] <SIFTU> zils are write caches (ssd's) usually
[5:42] <ryao> The checksums are only used when reading and writing. Unless you are writing heavily, I don't think it will be particularly significant.
[5:42] <SIFTU> ryao: there maybe a use for it, but I would think btrfs would be a better fit if all you wanted was integrity checking
[5:42] <ryao> The CPU will have to simulate 64-bit operations, but still.
[5:42] <ryao> SIFTU: If it were, Sabayon Linux would not have adopted ZFS. :/
[5:43] <SIFTU> ryao: oh on x86 its very useful
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[5:44] <ryao> SIFTU: Sabayon Linux has an ARM edition.
[5:44] <SIFTU> ryao: just because you can doesnt mean you should
[5:44] <ryao> It doesn't have ZFS integrated yet though.
[5:44] <ryao> SIFTU: Why?
[5:44] <ryao> I think that ZFS is the future. It should be everywhere.
[5:45] <SIFTU> well it will never be the future on linux
[5:45] <SIFTU> unless the license changes
[5:45] <ryao> SIFTU: Why is that?
[5:45] <SIFTU> it cant go into mainline
[5:45] <ryao> I spoke to Linus Torvalds about this. He didn't say that he had to change Linux's license...
[5:46] <ryao> SIFTU: It probably can, but it isn't. The license is not the problem.
[5:46] <ryao> Anyway, 5 Linux distributions have first party ZFS support. That is up from 0 last year.
[5:46] <SIFTU> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Linux
[5:46] <ryao> It doesn't matter if it is not in the kernel.
[5:47] <ryao> SIFTU: I am the Gentoo Linux ZFS maintainer. Please don't quote wikis written by people who have no clue what they are saying to me.
[5:47] <SIFTU> ryao: righto, i still think it wil be a dog on arm
[5:47] <lunra> Someone test it. For science.
[5:48] <ryao> SIFTU: Someone tested it. It seems to be quick enough.
[5:48] <ryao> They didn't compare it against ext4 though.
[5:48] <ryao> SIFTU: I recently did a write-up about ZFS for some of the Sabayon Linux users: https://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=28059&p=154165#p154165
[5:48] <ryao> SIFTU: I talk about licensing there.
[5:48] <lunra> Of course if your medium is still the SD card, the SD card will be the bottleneck.
[5:50] <ryao> If there is a licensing issue, then the OpenGL driver used in the Raspberry Pi would have the same issue.
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[5:54] <SpeedEvil> SD is not a simple bottleneck, and there are possibilities of not inconsodeable filesystem differences
[5:54] <SpeedEvil> that for extra fun will vary by card model
[5:55] <ryao> ARC and ZIL should do more with fewer burst IOPS.
[5:56] * SpeedEvil sighs and wishes SD cards were opensource.
[5:56] <geordie> i wonder how long it will take my girlfriend to notice that there are now two raspberry pis in running in the living room
[5:56] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[5:57] <ryao> geordie: They multiply?
[5:57] <ReggieUK> it's amazing what you can get away with if you put a scented candle on it
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[5:59] <geordie> yeah the first one took a long time to multiply, probably because it was (necessarily) asexual. will be interesting to see how long it takes for the third one to arrive.
[5:59] <CelticTurnip> geordie: if you're anything like me, extremely quickly... 1st 1 on backorder for 3 months, 2nd 3 weeks, the 3rd ordered and delivered next day :)
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[6:18] <p1key> Hello all, How can I remotely SSH into Raspberry Pi? I have SSH enabled, I know how to do it. I connect to it off my laptop fine, with ease. However, I do this on my LAN. I just connect to the local IP. How will I do this if I'm somewhere else with my laptop? What will I put in place of the LAN. My standard external IP?
[6:20] <piney0> p1key, yes, and you will most likely have to forward port 22 in your router to point to the raspberry pi.
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[6:36] <SpeedEvil> I would suggest externally not putting it on port SSH
[6:36] <SpeedEvil> simply as you are then more exposed to SSH vulns
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[6:39] <piney0> obscurity != security, if your that worried, do some port knocking.
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[6:41] <des2> obscurtity is one additional level of security.
[6:41] <piney0> obscurity is false security
[6:42] <bircoe> the simplest method i find is forward something like port 2222 to 22 on you internel network, or some other random number, that way people won't find port 22 open on your network and imediately know it's for SSH
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[6:49] <Syliss> hmmm
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[6:57] <SpeedEvil> piney0: obscurity is false security. but SSH gets zero dayed, then not having it on a standard port means you probably won't get hit before you can fix it.
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[6:59] <des2> I think that's the appropriate example.
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[8:33] <Milos> HELLO
[8:33] <Milos> lol, this place is deserted
[8:33] <Milos> anyway
[8:34] <Milos> is it possible / a good idea to hot-swap between GPIO power and USB power?
[8:34] <Milos> or will they try to charge one-another at the instant they are both connected
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[8:35] <SpeedEvil> it depends on what power supplies you're using
[8:35] <SpeedEvil> in general, the result will be similar to connecting them in parallel through a small resistor
[8:35] <Milos> well, 5V on the GPIO power which is step-downed from 12V with an efficient transofmrer
[8:35] <Milos> and 5V via USB from well... anything
[8:36] <Milos> I see
[8:38] <discopig> lol
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[8:52] <des2> Never connect voltage sources in parallel.
[8:53] <des2> (without some way to prevent current flowing from one source to the other)
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[8:53] <des2> There will be apolyfuse between them.
[8:53] <des2> Which will act as a small resistor.
[8:54] <des2> What do you mean 'stepped down from 12v' ?
[8:54] <des2> The power you are applying is filtered DC, right ?
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[9:42] <Cookie`> does anyone else have a 512MB raspberry pi?
[9:43] <CelticTurnip> Cookie`: yep
[9:43] <CelticTurnip> not that I'm using it at the moment, it's still in the box
[9:43] <Cookie`> bugger, i'm having trouble getting raspian to recognise all the RAM
[9:45] <CelticTurnip> there was a new start.elf released a few hours ago, have you tried that? https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[9:47] <bircoe> cookie make sure you have an up to date firmware and arte using the appropriate start.elf
[9:50] <Cookie`> yeah, i only started working on it a few hours ago
[9:50] <Cookie`> and the new firmware had already been released
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[9:50] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[9:51] <bircoe> which elf are you using?
[9:51] <Cookie`> there's only one, start.elf
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> those little elves...
[9:52] <linuxstb> If you use the latest firmware, you set the GPU RAM using a config.txt option - e.g. "gpu_mem=128" (default is 64 if you don't have that line).
[9:52] <bircoe> no theres not, theres about 8 of them
[9:52] <linuxstb> There is also start_cd.elf, which is used if gpu_mem=16
[9:52] <bircoe> maybe 6
[9:52] <linuxstb> Plus fixup.dat and fixup_cd.dat
[9:52] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: that was yesterday, todays a new day :)
[9:52] <CelticTurnip> there's 1 now
[9:52] <bircoe> :)
[9:52] <bircoe> well that sucks for me...
[9:52] <bircoe> comnpiled yesterday
[9:52] <linuxstb> CelticTurnip: Well, 2.
[9:53] <gordonDrogon> a much more sensible way - is it in the raspbian repository yet?
[9:53] <CelticTurnip> okay 2 :P
[9:53] <linuxstb> I doubt it, Dom only released it about 8 hours ago.
[9:53] <linuxstb> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20255&p=198079#p198079
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[9:55] <gordonDrogon> breakfast..
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[9:56] <bircoe> he doesn't give any info on what happens if you leave the gpu_mem line out of the config.txt... is there a default?
[9:58] <Peetz0r> 09:52:05 < linuxstb> If you use the latest firmware, you set the GPU RAM using a config.txt option - e.g. "gpu_mem=128" (default is 64 if you don't have that line).
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[9:58] <Peetz0r> note the part between ()
[9:59] <bircoe> hehe
[9:59] <bircoe> totally bl;ind today
[9:59] <Peetz0r> happens
[9:59] <Peetz0r> that's what weekends are for,right?
[10:00] <bircoe> something like that...
[10:00] <bircoe> I've been sick for a week so I'm blaming it on that.
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[10:14] <Datalink> note to self: hostname is listed in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
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[10:39] <Datalink> ugh I hate bluetooth devices, I forgot how much of a pain they are to set up
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[10:46] <Peetz0r> Datalink: that's why we invented wifi, right?
[10:48] <Datalink> Peetz0r, yeah... this keyboard isn't a wifi device though :P
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[10:49] <Peetz0r> heh, keyboards...
[10:54] <des2> They should invent something that you could use to connect a keyboard to a computer and wouldn't need batteries or be as unrelable as wireless.
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[10:56] <Datalink> des2, typically I use wired equipment, but this keyboard's a small portable keyboard/mouse combo, and logitech stopped making my mouse in wired
[10:56] <Datalink> no love for the trackman wheel
[10:56] <des2> Darn logitech.
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[10:58] <Peetz0r> "10:54:52 < des2> They should invent something that you could use to connect a keyboard to a computer and wouldn't need batteries or be as unrelable as wireless." it's called usb (or maybe even ps/2)
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> yea, wires triumph every time!
[11:01] <Datalink> spent 60 bucks on this POS keyboard, now it's not even being seen by my Pi and I have to get a new keyboard/pointing device
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> I did use a wireless keyboard+mouse recently - it was a tenner from Argos.... Wish I'd bought one myself now.
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> (it was on a Pi)
[11:05] <Peetz0r> I have used the cheapest keyboard I could find, haven't had problems with it at all
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[11:05] <Peetz0r> and when I need a wireless remote, I use the ssh client on my phone
[11:05] <mervaka> i just use a wired keyboard or ssh in
[11:05] <Peetz0r> mervaka: that's what I said
[11:06] <Peetz0r> ...or I use the xbmc remote app ;)
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> sometimes you do need a keyboard & screen though...
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[11:14] <Squirm> morning
[11:14] <Squirm> what are the chances of something like etherboot on the memory card actually booting?
[11:14] <Datalink> the xwm installed by default is uusable without a mouse, something I think is an oversight
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> Squirm, http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=133
[11:16] <des2> The first time, very small.
[11:17] <des2> Yes you should either need a mouse or keyboard but not required to have both.
[11:17] <Squirm> gordonDrogon: will have a look at that
[11:18] <Squirm> cause imagine a few RPi's as thin clients
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> Squirm, why?
[11:19] <Datalink> des2, try launching an app on the desktop without the mouse... there's no context selection, it pretty much requires opening a terminal, even with icons that most other window managers can tab to in some way, I may be overlooking something
[11:19] <des2> The problem with the PI is you need the darn DS card to boot in either case.
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> Squirm, you'd be SD booting uboot, ether booting a kernel, then NFS mounting root, then off you go. Instead of that, you can SD boot a kernel and NFS mount root. Saves one step.
[11:20] <Datalink> I could see running a VNC client as the default X11 window manager, or even X11 networked psudo-thin-client setup
[11:20] <Peetz0r> what from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot files do I need in /boot?
[11:20] <Squirm> gordonDrogon: low cost, minimal power consumption
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> LTSP style?
[11:20] <Squirm> gordonDrogon: yes
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> save yourself a step - you *have* to boot off the SD card in the first place anyway.
[11:21] <Squirm> just have to remember. my knowledge isn't all that large when it comes to the kernel
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[11:22] <Datalink> Peetz0r, kernel.img start.elf you'd also need cmdline.txt and config.txt but those tend to be a bit more setup centric
[11:23] <Peetz0r> ok :)
[11:23] <Datalink> the other two kernel files are good to have as well but the above ones are minimum boot
[11:23] <Datalink> could eed cutdown or emergency if the boot fails
[11:24] <Peetz0r> So I would want those as well, but not really require them?
[11:24] <Peetz0r> what's start_cd.elf?
[11:25] <Peetz0r> and fixup.dat and fixup_cd.dat?
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[11:25] <Datalink> to be honest, I'm not sure, I'm assuming Broadcom included support files for devices with CD-Rom drives, which aren't relevent to the Pi
[11:26] <Peetz0r> found something: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=20255&p=198210#p198079
[11:27] <Datalink> oh the boot model's being revised, interesting
[11:27] <Datalink> also yay, more sane split management... traditionally we'd copy a arm128_start.elf to start.elf and that'd set our mem
[11:28] <Peetz0r> yeah, that's what I did yesterday
[11:28] <Peetz0r> arm384_start.elf :)
[11:28] <Datalink> Peetz0r, this is a 'just happened today' thing, so your thread find supercedes anything I know
[11:28] <Datalink> mnerf, Newark's still got a block on buying pis due to OMGDEMAND
[11:29] <Datalink> something about an upgrade that has folks interested... I think
[11:29] <Peetz0r> yeah, I figured
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> blow your brain out with: http://www.ioccc.org/years.html
[11:29] <Peetz0r> upgrading my Pi';sfirmware in the train :p
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[11:37] <des2> Make sure it doesn't look like an exploside device.
[11:37] * Datalink does the rpi-update thing
[11:38] <Datalink> des2, that's usually only a problem with flying
[11:40] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I'm staring at zeitak... deobsfucated it is still a bit hard to follow
[11:41] <Peetz0r> des2: lol :)
[11:41] <Peetz0r> no authorities is sight, check ;)
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, good luck :)
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[11:43] <gordonDrogon> right. this week's bread is in the oven, time for a shower. I love lazy saturdays!
[11:44] <des2> this week's bread is in the plastic bag, I love supermarkets!
[11:46] <Peetz0r> this year's bread is in the freezer whenever I need it, i love my parents
[11:46] <Peetz0r> lol :p
[11:46] <des2> Peetz0r wins!
[11:47] <Peetz0r> I also love supermarkets and lazy saturdays ;)
[11:47] <Peetz0r> but I haven't had a lazy saturday since a very long time ;)
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[11:50] <des2> Too busy defrosting ?
[11:51] <Peetz0r> nope, that takes seconds in our microwave thing
[11:51] <Peetz0r> laptop's battery is almost dead, and I am almost at my destination :)
[11:51] <Peetz0r> nice timing
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[11:52] <des2> All this time and I'm stillwhere I started.
[11:53] <Peetz0r> and I have travelled over 200km
[11:53] <Peetz0r> time to get up, later!
[11:54] <des2> have fun.
[11:54] <Peetz0r> I will :)
[11:54] <Peetz0r> http://mf050.nl/english/
[11:54] <Peetz0r> cya1
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> I bake bread at least weekly when at home...
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm sorry you put up with bread in plastic...
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> you don't have to, but ...
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[13:02] <Datalink> oh ffs, I think I accidentally copied over my custom kernel, blah
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[13:10] <Datalink> phew, this is why I don't delete stuff till I know I'm replacing it... was able to copy the image back into place
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[13:12] <biberao> hi
[13:12] <Datalink> hi
[13:12] <biberao> does rasp work nicely connected to those old crt tvs?
[13:13] <Datalink> yeah, provided it has an RCA style composite video source connector, the TV should work fine with the RPi
[13:13] <biberao> im planning to buy one
[13:13] <biberao> or two
[13:13] <biberao> and adding wifi to it
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[13:14] <biberao> im planning to stream sport tv channels
[13:15] <Datalink> the Pi doesn't have video in, streaming is also fairly processor intensive, so there's a chance it'll be hard to get working with the Pi, though there are a couple good streaming clients in the Raspberry Pi's repositories
[13:16] <biberao> yes
[13:16] <biberao> i meant internet streaming
[13:16] <biberao> will it be pushing for the pi?
[13:17] <Datalink> ah okay, shouldn't be beyond the Pi's capabilities, though I wouldn't expect it to handle too much else at the time, XMBC may have native support, I'm not sure
[13:17] <biberao> xmbc has a plugin for streaming
[13:18] <biberao> thats why many ppl rely on the pi for movie streaming since it uses the gpu right
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> biberao, http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
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[13:19] <gordonDrogon> although that's a 30 years old monochrome display, modern TVs are just fine :)
[13:19] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, what freaky old computer did you steal that CRT from?
[13:19] <biberao> nice
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> it came with my BBC Micro.
[13:20] <biberao> gordonDrogon: you connected your pi to an arduino?
[13:20] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, okay, like you need more, but that's cred...
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> I have another but I've not connected a Pi to it yet - http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> biberao, yes, it's just a usb peripheral like any other Linux box.
[13:21] <Datalink> I've... hooked my Arduino up in less traditional ways, I'm still early in my dev cycle though...
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> biberao, apt-get install arduino and off you go - it's a little slower than a desktop, but works OK.
[13:21] <Datalink> (read: school slowing me down)
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I've hooked the ATmega up in the Gerboard via the Pi's SPI interface for downloading code. not used it for data xfer yet.
[13:22] <Datalink> I need to learn how to interact with serial ports from console again, it's been... 12 years since I last did that...
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, there is some serial helpers in wiringPi...
[13:22] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, that'd make the pi an actual ISE wouldn't it?
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, er, programming the ATmega via it's ICSP interface if thats what you mean.
[13:23] <Datalink> er, sorry, ISP
[13:23] <biberao> my problem would be
[13:23] <Datalink> yeah, that... sorry, FPGA may have fouled my terms...
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/initial-setup-of-the-atmega/
[13:23] <biberao> if the hd streaming will work fine on the pi
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> if you want really old, then... http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> well - not _really_ old, but the oldest kit I have...
[13:24] <biberao> ive never touched an arduino but i dont know a thing about electronics either
[13:24] <Datalink> biberao, I've used VLC fine, and that's a software stream tool, XMBC has the omxplayer code integrated, which is better, as omxplayer was written for the pi
[13:24] <biberao> yup
[13:25] <biberao> im kinda scared hehe
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[13:26] <biberao> gordonDrogon: you're good with eletronics?
[13:26] <biberao> *electronics
[13:26] <Datalink> biberao, the out-of-box configuration on the 256MB Pi handles video fine
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[13:26] <biberao> im getting a 512MB
[13:26] <Datalink> biberao, gordonDrogon designed an accessory board for the Pi, he adn I are probably the EE folks of the channel
[13:26] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[13:26] <biberao> Datalink: cool
[13:26] <Datalink> biberao, heh, yeah, you should be fine
[13:27] <biberao> you guys advise me some reading for starting messing with arduino also?
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> biberao, www.arduino.cc
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> there is also #arduino on freenode, but ...
[13:28] <Datalink> biberao, http://www.ladyada.net/learn/arduino/index.html is one of them, there are a few tutorials around though, including Arduino's own site, which gordonDrogon just mentioned
[13:28] <Datalink> getting help on IRC is hit or miss... we try to be a hit, others... don't...
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> yea, there are lots and lots of resources - it's been around for a long time now.
[13:29] <Datalink> before the Arduino itself, the AVR it's based on is a proven design of over 10 years
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> if you have a Pi already, then you can start with my wiringPi library - the basic routines are very siminar to those on the Arduino platform.
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> so do some experimenting on the Pi, then move to the Arduino..
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[13:33] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, where changes made since the initial publication of your info? I've noticed gpio doesn't need sudo, in fact some operations actually seem to discourage sudo style usage
[13:33] <biberao> i mean like i should know electricity right?
[13:33] <biberao> :X
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[13:34] <Datalink> biberao, a lot of operations of both the Raspberry Pi, and the Arduino microcontroller can be done without prior electrical knowledge, Arduino as an ecosystem contains many boards that are pre-assembled or simple to assemble without prior knowledge
[13:35] <Datalink> that said, ee questions aren't unwelcome here, we're eager to help folks learn typically, though that's a personal feeling of mine, and may not be shared by everyone here... seems to be general sentiment
[13:35] <Datalink> ee=electrical engineering
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, the fastest access to the GPIO will always need root.
[13:36] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, ah
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> however if you don't need speed, then you can use the /sys/class/gpio interface - which wiringPi supports - and if you use the gpio command to export these devices then you can access GPIO without needing to be root.
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[13:38] <Datalink> biberao, most of what you would need for the Pi is Linux knowledge... we have that to spare in droves though
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[13:39] <biberao> i mean for duino Datalink
[13:39] <biberao> i know im not in the right channel
[13:39] <biberao> im sorry
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[13:40] <Datalink> heh, the Arduino's 90% programming in C through their IDE... 10% getting someone else's wiring diagram right
[13:41] <biberao> but electricity is needed i guess
[13:41] <biberao> :)
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[13:42] <Datalink> yes, but beginners all start somewhere, the Arduino's intended to help beginners
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> biberao, it's it's Pi stuff this is probably the best channel to start in ...
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[13:43] <biberao> Datalink: yup but i no nothing
[13:43] <Datalink> yeah, this channel does specialize in the Raspberry Pi, I do suggest #sparkfun if you have an interest in learning about electronics, they're the official channel for sparkfun.com an electronic parts seller, and a lot of the folks there are Electrical engineers who know their stuff, it's also a channel I freqent
[13:43] <biberao> gordonDrogon: what have you designed for pi?
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> biberao, lots of little projects on breadboards...
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> biberao, where to start... https://projects.drogon.net/
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> as well as some lower-level software to drive the Pi's GPIO lines
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[13:45] <biberao> gordonDrogon: do you think i could learn about it?
[13:45] <biberao> :X
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> this is my current project: http://unicorn.drogon.net/raspberryLadder1.jpg
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> biberao, anyone can learn anything if they want to.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> biberao, well - within limits. After living in a spanish speaking country, my dad has failed to learn spanish )-:
[13:45] <biberao> you bought that board
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> I designed that board and had it made, then soldered the components on myself.
[13:46] <biberao> or you got a company to make it
[13:46] <biberao> ah ok
[13:46] <biberao> thought so
[13:46] <Datalink> biberao, just takes the desire, the initiative and the will
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> it will be a project in next months MagPi magazine.
[13:46] <biberao> that gets expensive?
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> biberao, yes - nothing is cheap )-:
[13:46] <biberao> of course
[13:46] <biberao> but expensive depends
[13:46] <biberao> gordonDrogon: could you tell me the price or an estimative?
[13:46] <Datalink> I stare at a board like that and I start seeing digikey price per quantity tables... and quotes related to the circuitboards...
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> biberao, to make the prototypes - that was 3 boards, cost me about ?90 plus my own time.
[13:47] <biberao> ah
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> biberao, making them in bulk is obviously much cheaper - e.g. to get 100 boards made up didn't cost that much more.
[13:47] <biberao> it wasnt that expensive
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> that's 100 boards made - then the cost of the components on-top.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> I actually did 2 prototype runs - this was my first: https://projects.drogon.net/experiments-in-pcb-design-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[13:48] <biberao> i should read about resistors wiring and stuff like that
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> So we'll be selling the pcb plus components as a kit - I'll be lucky if I break even, but I'm certinaly not going to retire on it!!!
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> biberao, read about programming and understanding the Pi first.
[13:49] <biberao> but pi doesnt require wiring and stuff
[13:49] <biberao> no?
[13:49] <biberao> or you can do it in comparison with arduino?
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[13:50] <Datalink> biberao, Pi itself is a complete computer, no assembly, the Arduino is typically preassembled, gordon's working on an accessory board for it, one of several he's engineered
[13:50] <biberao> yes
[13:50] <biberao> thats what i meant
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> working on a few boards actually - e.g. this one: http://unicorn.drogon.net/mikeCook.jpg
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> but I'm undecided about that one. Might just release the PCB details under open hardware...
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[13:55] <biberao> gordonDrogon: ill be bothering you more often
[13:55] <biberao> :X
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> biberao, My fees are reasonable :)
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[13:58] <biberao> gordonDrogon: im poor
[13:58] <biberao> :|
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[13:59] <Datalink> biberao, he was joking... generally folks here are approachable
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[14:00] <biberao> Datalink: i know he was joking
[14:00] <biberao> but still im poor
[14:00] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, for some reason that ribbon socket looked like an edge connector...
[14:00] <Datalink> biberao, when you're ready to get parts, remind me to explain sample programs to you
[14:01] <biberao> ok Datalink
[14:01] <biberao> i might buy then 2 raspberry and 1 arduino
[14:01] <Datalink> most chip manufacturers love to give samples to students and engineers because it means you'll buy their stuff when it goes into production or when you become an engineer...
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[14:01] <Datalink> Texas Instruments bribed me with about 50 555 ICs... some day I need to actually use them...
[14:01] <biberao> Datalink: im not american
[14:02] <biberao> we dont get anything free
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, which one?
[14:02] <Datalink> biberao, you'd be surprised, when it comes to samples
[14:03] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, mostly NE555s but there's a few others, it's been a while since I did invcentory
[14:03] <biberao> Datalink: now im from the second poorest country in the EU
[14:03] <Datalink> inventory*
[14:05] <Datalink> biberao, there are a lot of companies that do worldwide samples... Texas Instruments is one of them, through their EU suppliers, there's also Farnel which is a wholesale supplier so can sell parts at a wholesale rate, element14.com is their company group community/educational site by the way, can be helpful to learn electronics as well
[14:06] <biberao> Datalink: that means freebies?
[14:08] <Datalink> biberao, sample programs are freebies in small quantity, yeah, varies by product and manufacturer, other items can be relatively cheap if you know the right sources (doesn't hurt to ask engineers, there's a few big names, and a few cheap options they'd rely upon)
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[14:10] <biberao> i can count on you then Datalink
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[14:10] <Datalink> biberao, sure, I'm still an engineering student but I've been bouncing around the stuff for years so I've got a few resources
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[14:11] <biberao> cool
[14:11] <biberao> Datalink: which year?
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[14:12] <Datalink> second year of a 2 year Bachelor's Associate Degree, not sure how that translates to EU college standards though
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> ah, then were the days ;-)
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> 25 years ago I was working in a university - in-theory doing research/etc. for a PhD, but that never happened... left it for the bright lights on industry...
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[14:14] <biberao> Datalink: we dont have official bachelor now
[14:15] <Datalink> it's possibly similar to a fellowship or apprenticeship, my program is very hands on
[14:16] <biberao> i have to go
[14:16] <biberao> byebye
[14:16] <Datalink> take care
[14:17] <Datalink> I'm probably way off about fellowship/apprenticeship... blarg, looking up
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[14:19] <biberao> hum
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[14:19] <biberao> anyone could show my quit msg?
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[14:20] <Datalink> you can type /quit though most clients automatically quit when closed
[14:20] <Holden> Datalink, have you watched this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYsKnk_cLFM
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[14:20] <biberao> Datalink: nono
[14:20] <biberao> i mean the quit msg
[14:20] <Datalink> your client timed out
[14:20] <biberao> thanks
[14:21] <biberao> have to go
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[14:21] <biberao> Datalink: ive been using irc for 13years
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[14:21] <biberao> hehe
[14:21] <biberao> gtg then
[14:21] <biberao> take care!
[14:21] <Datalink> later
[14:21] <Datalink> I never assume for or against
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[14:24] <Datalink> Holden, he brings up a few good points, yeah... for someone learning, on a budget, the benefits outweigh the issues... for someone doing production the problems do get to become apparent...
[14:25] <Datalink> like I also said though, TI basically are trying to bribe me into using their parts through it, I go in with that mentality, it cuts down a lot of the actual trap concerns
[14:27] <Holden> Datalink, yes...well the 555 is made by almost all manufactures I think, so it's not a part you can get only from TI... and they are really cheap nowadays, some time ago I needed some 555s and I bought 30 of them on ebay for something like ???2... I still have 25 left
[14:28] <Datalink> Holden, yeah, this was years ago, I was still a first year student when I got my pile of 555s
[14:29] <Datalink> in fact... I think the stack of 555s are 10 years old...
[14:29] <[SLB]> hm anyone interfacing a nokia display with Raspberry.Pi_PCD8544.Library and after some hours the lines show in a wrong order on the display?
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[14:30] <Holden> Datalink, I'm pretty sure I have some of them from early '90s... I doubt the process has changed
[14:30] <Holden> although I have noticed TI ones are better than ST ones...
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[14:31] <Holden> for example the quiescent current for the TI ones is usually lower, and that's important in battery operated systems
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[14:33] <Datalink> Holden, yeah, TI stuff is relatively solid
[14:34] <Datalink> quite honestly eevblog seems to be a fair bit of rant... why I don't watch it regularly
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[14:37] <Holden> Datalink, neither do I, but I think what he does in general is great, and many videos are very useful... that's why he gets so many positive responses
[14:37] <Datalink> yeah, good SNR... just I don't like the noise portion
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[14:52] <Datalink> hm, I need to look into requirements for UV solder etching...
[14:53] <ReggieUK> very accurate, can be painful to do if you don't do it right
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[14:57] <Datalink> yeah, sunburning a PCB design into my retina would not be a desirable outcome, no
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I looked at the whole DIY pcb making recently ..
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> It's what I used to do 25+ years ago..
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> print to paper, photocopy to acetate (no laser printers them days)
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> then expose in the UV boxes, develop the PCBs, copper etch..
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> what a chore.
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> and it's no easier these days.
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> So I accepted the financial 'hit' and got my recent PCBs made for me...
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> they're pre-drilled, plated through hole, double sided, soldermasked, silkscreen printed... 1e6 times better than I could do at home/office...
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[15:08] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, one thing I wanna do is glass PCB, but yeah, the cost of DIY is higher than commissioning
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> glass?? So you'd need to somehow deposit copper onto it...
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> or can you buy glass substrate PCBs?
[15:09] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, that kind of thing is already possible
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf5HBLzDGQA - first google hit...
[15:11] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, yeah, he uses copper leaf
[15:11] <ReggieUK> I've read about other processes that just print the circuits too
[15:11] <ReggieUK> people are expermenting :)
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[15:13] <Datalink> printing the circuit directly would be awesome but I don't see that producing as conductive a copper trace
[15:13] * gordonDrogon nods.
[15:14] <biberao> hi
[15:14] <ReggieUK> it depends on what they use as their 'ink'
[15:14] <ReggieUK> it's been a while since I looked at anything specifically for glass
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> still, intersting ideas.
[15:14] <ReggieUK> but printing directly to a copper clad PCB is also another method that was pretty popular
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[15:14] <gordonDrogon> I note he's all surface mount too :) Drilling glass while not hard can be challenging if you don't have the right drills...
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> I like the idea of using a cnc mill to mill away the copper... need some tiny end cutters though for stuff like tracks between IC pads...
[15:17] <ReggieUK> needs to be an accurate cnc
[15:17] <ReggieUK> but that'd be my preferred method if I owned one
[15:17] <biberao> gordonDrogon: make me a dental implant
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> biberao, if I could do that, I'd make a fortune...
[15:18] <biberao> with CNC youj could
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> I was amazed however, at the prices of PCB manufacture - almost costing the same for 3 PCBs as for 300 ...
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[15:43] <sanone> Is there a complete source for crosscompilation for the raspberry?
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[15:46] <Datalink> sanone, the kernel compiling for pi would have those instructions, http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation instructions from here can be expanded to less intense compiling projects, though if you need more specific help, lemme know
[15:46] <sanone> For instance I try to crosscompile omxplayer.. the ffmpeg compiles but omxplayer wants to links against pcre I'm a bit confused how to approach this
[15:47] <sanone> I use crosstool-ng
[15:47] <sanone> which seems to work for a simple c application without external lib dependencies
[15:47] <biberao> sanone: cant you grab pcre-dev?
[15:48] <sanone> for my normal linux box?
[15:48] <sanone> biberao ^^
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[15:48] <sanone> I'm also a bit confused on what I should do to compile for the hardfloat version of raspbian
[15:49] <sanone> does any gcc version > 4.4 work?
[15:49] <sanone> or do I need a special version?
[15:49] <biberao> sanone: yes
[15:49] <biberao> or not
[15:49] <Datalink> I am sufficiently outside my league at this point...
[15:49] <biberao> you could do a chroot
[15:49] <biberao> and grab packages for that arch
[15:50] <biberao> thats how i do when crosscompiling from x86-64 to x86
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[15:50] <sanone> biberao, that makes sense I guess
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[15:54] <biberao> sanone: i dont know
[15:54] <biberao> which march to apply
[15:55] <Datalink> blah I should go out to the shops and get some food
[15:55] <biberao> i ate soup
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[15:56] <biberao> sanone:
[15:56] <biberao> it seems easy!
[15:56] <sanone> yeah
[15:57] <sanone> oh I like the sound of that ^_^
[15:58] <sanone> up to this point I followed this 'guide' http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
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[15:58] <sanone> added some bits and pieces to allow c++ compilation for instance
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[15:58] <potto> yo
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[16:00] <sanone> biberao, can you explain a bit why it is easy?
[16:01] <biberao> sanone: because
[16:01] <biberao> you just need to use a tool to make the toolchain
[16:01] <sanone> ah you were referring to the link
[16:01] <sanone> well it is easy
[16:01] <sanone> but it lacks additional libs
[16:02] <biberao> and use the right arch
[16:02] <sanone> and header files
[16:02] <sanone> and I'm wondering how to get those
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[16:03] <biberao> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=17045
[16:05] <sanone> yeah I've seen that one.. it seems you can install packages for another architecture using yum on fedora
[16:05] <sanone> but I've just stumbled upon dpkg-cross
[16:05] <sanone> which might do the trick on debain/ubuntu based systems
[16:06] <biberao> sanone: which distro are you using?
[16:06] <sanone> Ubuntu 12.04
[16:06] <biberao> you can do the same
[16:06] <biberao> you can install those packages
[16:06] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~ $ apt-cache search dpkg-cross
[16:06] <Datalink> dpkg-cross - tools for cross compiling Debian packages
[16:07] <sanone> these are packages for another architecture... how would I do that on Ubuntu?
[16:07] <Datalink> FYI, spindrift's my Pi
[16:07] <biberao> sanone: the same
[16:07] <biberao> i dont have ubuntu though
[16:07] <Datalink> biberao, he means the ARM vs X86 issue...
[16:07] <sanone> Datalink, yes I do :)
[16:07] <Datalink> sanone, most of the Fedora family packages also come in source packages
[16:07] <biberao> he can do a chroot
[16:07] <biberao> Datalink: rpms?
[16:08] <Datalink> biberao, yeah, srpm
[16:08] <biberao> rpms are binary
[16:08] <biberao> srpm never heard of that one hehe
[16:08] <biberao> thanks Datalink
[16:10] <Datalink> srpm is source redhat package manager packages
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[16:10] <Datalink> so very handy if you're going to try and install alien stuff on alien archetectures
[16:11] <henle> sanone: What you can do for pcre is to mount the pi filesystem and link to /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libpcre.so.3
[16:11] <Datalink> aka X86 on ARM
[16:11] <biberao> sanone: easy way
[16:11] <biberao> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[16:11] <biberao> ubuntu section
[16:12] <Datalink> biberao, I pointed him to that earlier... actually
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[16:12] <biberao> Datalink: i know
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[16:13] <biberao> i guess ill running a vbox again
[16:13] <sanone> biberao, Datalink .. I'll have a look at that right away. Although I thought that was maionly installing the compiler
[16:13] <sanone> which I did using crosstool-ng
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[16:13] <biberao> sanone: you want to crosscompile the kernel
[16:13] <biberao> to setup on the pi
[16:13] <sanone> biberao, no
[16:13] <biberao> or on your box?
[16:14] <sanone> biberao, I want to compile aaps
[16:14] <sanone> apps
[16:14] <biberao> for the pi?
[16:14] <Datalink> biberao, he's looking to compile other stuff on a more powerful system then move them to the pi, yeah
[16:14] <biberao> oki
[16:14] <sanone> like omxplayer (the player which can decore video on the GPU)
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[16:14] <biberao> i usually compile on a few xeons
[16:14] <biberao> :X
[16:14] <sanone> compilation of ffmpeg takes about 2.5 hours on the pi itself
[16:14] <biberao> Datalink: i cant wait to get a pi
[16:15] <sanone> a matter of minutes on a 'modern' desktop
[16:15] <biberao> my pc is a p4
[16:15] <biberao> look how modern i am :X
[16:15] <sanone> mine a quad core.. not that fancy either
[16:16] <biberao> sanone: p4 is older than my nephew :P
[16:18] <biberao> anyway good luck
[16:18] <sanone> biberao, thanks
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. stupid laptop not seeing wifi after upgrade. stupid stupid )-: I have stuff liek that - it's all supposed to "just work" these days )-:
[16:18] <biberao> gordonDrogon: linux?
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> biberao, yea )-:
[16:18] <biberao> linux can be ugly
[16:18] <biberao> :p
[16:18] <biberao> although windows sometimes too
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> true.
[16:19] <biberao> i bought a laptop once
[16:19] <sanone> biberao, although I'm still not sure where to fetch these other arch libs from ;)
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[16:19] <biberao> it went to warranty
[16:19] <biberao> sanone: the same
[16:19] <biberao> apt-get install pcre arm one
[16:19] <biberao> and so on
[16:19] <biberao> but you should do a chroot or something
[16:19] <biberao> you can get the sources
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[16:20] <sanone> okay.. make a arm chroot
[16:20] <sanone> and from there on thinks work the same
[16:20] <sanone> will look into that
[16:20] <sanone> thanks!
[16:21] <biberao> get the sources
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[16:29] <charolastra> great, just attempted the pipass mod and now i get "error in mount_flash: mount_part: unknown filesystem" even after removing the wires again ... does this mean the flash is fucked now?
[16:30] <Datalink> charolastra, language, though have you tried the SD card in another device?
[16:30] <charolastra> sure, boots fine ...
[16:30] * gordonDrogon wonders what a pipass mod is ..
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> oh, it's usb power..
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> by the google of it.
[16:31] <charolastra> yes, bypassing those polyfuses
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[16:36] <biberao> so i have to buy 2 microusb chargers
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[16:39] <Datalink> biberao, yeah, cellphone chargers that can give at least 1A are sufficient for most applications
[16:41] <biberao> i used to have some
[16:41] <biberao> but not now :|
[16:41] <Datalink> aww
[16:43] <biberao> yup
[16:48] <[SLB]> atouk, i think in your piwww, the wiringpi pins shown on the left side of the table for the spio mosi and miso are wrong, could you check maybe?
[16:48] <[SLB]> should be 12-13
[16:48] <atouk> 1 sec
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[16:49] <Datalink> [SLB], I have P1-19 P1-21
[16:49] <Datalink> or is this a different device?
[16:50] <[SLB]> i get them from here which i think is the most reliable table? https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[16:50] <[SLB]> hm
[16:50] <Datalink> oh right, that numbering varies from the P1 numbering, sorry x.x
[16:50] <[SLB]> np eheh
[16:51] <[SLB]> atouk, i think you copied the BCM values there because they're indeed 10 and 9
[16:51] <atouk> if i remember right i got them from gordon's site
[16:52] <[SLB]> maybe they changed after rev2?
[16:52] <atouk> i could have just copied wrong too
[16:52] <[SLB]> eheh
[16:53] <atouk> let me check a couple places to compare
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[16:53] <biberao> [SLB]: your nick in country is a football club
[16:53] <[SLB]> i added some colours, not sure whether it's better or messier http://pi.slblabs.com/pistats/
[16:53] <atouk> if it is a version change, i can build that in to show correct pinouts per board version
[16:53] <[SLB]> eheh i know biberao many have asked me :)
[16:54] <[SLB]> that'd be nice, i was thinking the same and adding the further gpio pins of table 2
[16:54] <atouk> had that on the list, too
[16:54] <[SLB]> :)
[16:55] <[SLB]> is the canvas bg of the gauge purple or transparent in your page?
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[16:55] <atouk> purple
[16:56] <[SLB]> ah oks
[16:56] <atouk> the latest dl has the file in it to fix it
[16:56] <[SLB]> nice eheh
[16:56] <atouk> had to dig into the code, and maybe nit the proper way to do it, bit it works
[16:57] <[SLB]> does it support transparency? yup i tried to find where to set it at, possibly transparent, but i gave up, lol
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[16:58] <atouk> buried really deep in the code
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[16:59] <[SLB]> i can imagine eheh
[16:59] <atouk> looks like the assigned a css variable for it but never implemented it
[16:59] <[SLB]> yeps looks like so
[17:01] <atouk> you're right. the 10 and 9 pins are wrong
[17:01] <biberao> i found another usage for my pi
[17:01] <biberao> :X
[17:01] <atouk> fix in one sec
[17:01] <[SLB]> ah okies nice thanks :)
[17:01] <[SLB]> what biberao
[17:01] <atouk> good eye
[17:01] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:02] <[SLB]> i saw two 10 so i was wondering :3
[17:02] <biberao> [SLB]: digital signage
[17:02] <biberao> i can do some publicity in my coffeeshop
[17:02] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:03] <biberao> oh yaa
[17:03] <[SLB]> yes that'd be nice
[17:03] <biberao> i cant wait for it to come
[17:03] <biberao> :|
[17:04] <scummos> I got a very old seven-segment display here... but it does not do anything when I put some voltage to it (not that I'd know what pins to put it to, but I tried some)... how are chances that it's just broken?
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> how many digits?
[17:04] <scummos> 6
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[17:05] <biberao> i wish i had friends like you guys
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> so you need to work out the pinnout...
[17:05] <[SLB]> we're all friends \o/
[17:05] <biberao> i mean real life
[17:05] <atouk> all fixed
[17:05] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> biberao, we're all friends - virtually. I suspect none of us live closer than 100 miles from anyone else here...
[17:05] <[SLB]> nice atouk :)
[17:05] <scummos> gordonDrogon: except for 2 pins, I can see a clear connection from every pin to a part of a digit
[17:06] <scummos> gordonDrogon: so I assume one of those 2 is ground... they're at the edges, too
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> scummos, ok - remember it's a diode.. so if it doesn't work one way, try the other... and use a resistor when trying as you'll fry the LED otherwise
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> scummos, if 6 digits, then there will be 6 commons, and 7 or 8 segment pins.
[17:07] <biberao> gordonDrogon: true
[17:07] <biberao> not trying to offend you guys
[17:07] <scummos> gordonDrogon: hmm, alright... but + on the common pin would be weird, no?
[17:07] <[SLB]> depends whether it's common A or common K, could be both
[17:08] <atouk> i've seen both common anode, and common cathode
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, can be either depending on the panda factorys prefernce.
[17:09] <scummos> okay
[17:09] <scummos> I think it's broken :(
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> do you have a multimeter with a diode checker?
[17:09] <scummos> not really... what would that do, a diode checker?
[17:09] <biberao> but its quite different ;)
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> it would help you check the light emitting diodes..
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[17:10] <scummos> I meant, what would it do technically? :)
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> oh, just pass a constant current through the probes.
[17:10] <atouk> tell you polarity
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> and measure the voltage drop over it.
[17:10] <scummos> okay
[17:10] <scummos> well I got a laboratory power supply with current limiting here
[17:11] <scummos> that's what I'm testing it with
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> can you set the current limiting to 10mA?
[17:11] <[SLB]> speaking of leds, what is the proper name of that led bar thingy on the bottom left of this pic? http://goo.gl/LE236
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], led bargraph.
[17:11] <scummos> not exactly, but I can limit it pretty strictly, yes
[17:11] <[SLB]> thanks gordonDrogon
[17:12] <scummos> 20mA is possible apparently
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], as used here: https://projects.drogon.net/dtronixs-mini-piio/ :)
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> 20mA might make them a bit bright, but who knows - so ...
[17:12] <[SLB]> nice eheh :)
[17:13] <atouk> the 5v and a 1.2k resistor will work
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> scummos, connect the 0v from the PSU to one pin, then touch the +ve (set to 3v) to all the other 14 or so in-turn.
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> scummos, if you get nothing, then swap probes over.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> scummos, if you still get nothing then bin it.
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> scummos, but if you get something, then your task, should you choose to take it, is to then identify the pin out of all other segments/digits...
[17:14] <scummos> gordonDrogon: yes, that's what I tried; connect pin 1 to GND or +3V and then connect all the others sequentially
[17:14] <scummos> but nothing happened
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[17:15] <gordonDrogon> did you buy it new, or from the scrap pile?
[17:15] <saturation> hi, I have some problems with 3g modem.. I am using nokia cs-17 with alarmpi, but I don't what device it will be mapped, any clues?
[17:15] <scummos> gordonDrogon: naah, it's terribly old
[17:15] <scummos> got it for one buck from the flea market
[17:15] <saturation> I installed usb_modeswich and rules for it also should be ok
[17:16] <scummos> I was just like "hah, let's see if that still works"
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[17:16] <scummos> but looks like it's broken
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[17:16] <saturation> lsusb also recognizes the device
[17:17] <biberao> bye see you guys later
[17:19] <scummos> maybe it's 12 V?
[17:19] <scummos> :D
[17:19] <scummos> let's try 12 V
[17:20] <scummos> ... nothing... let's try 24
[17:20] <[SLB]> smoke in the air
[17:20] <[SLB]> :3
[17:20] <[SLB]> later biberao
[17:21] <scummos> at 24V something is visible
[17:21] <[SLB]> :o
[17:21] <scummos> it's not really lighting up tough, just a dim change
[17:22] <scummos> wicked
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[17:22] <scummos> more voltage y/n? :D
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[17:25] <tripgod> Y
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[17:25] <scummos> well I cant get much higher anyways
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[17:25] <scummos> it's 30 V max
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[17:26] <scummos> the affected segment flickers to a slightly darker (but non-glowing) color... which probably proves the connections are ok... but the display is probably broken :D
[17:27] <[SLB]> is it just the lcd or is it soldered on some board?
[17:27] <[SLB]> hm
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[17:28] <scummos> it's just the lcd
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[17:28] <[SLB]> thought maybe it had embedded resistors or something
[17:29] <scummos> possible, but I doubt it.
[17:29] <scummos> it just doesn't look like it
[17:29] <scummos> it's very old and there's not really any non-opaque space left where those resistors could be
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> er, sure it's LED?
[17:30] <scummos> no, pretty sure it's not actually
[17:30] <[SLB]> tiristors?
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> got a photo?
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> VFL?
[17:30] <scummos> I can take a photo, but it'll take me three minutes :)
[17:30] <scummos> wait a moment
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[17:32] <scummos> now wait another moment while I identify the photo as useless and take another one
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[17:34] <scummos> well one's too dark and the other one is too bright, but... it's not a photography contest, is it? :) http://imgur.com/gBohA,hxg4O
[17:35] <[SLB]> liquid crystals?
[17:35] <scummos> yes, looks like it
[17:35] <[SLB]> oh
[17:35] <scummos> "it wobbles if you touch it"
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> oh one of those.
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> yes, you're not going to drive that by just applying a volrage over it.
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[17:36] <scummos> oh, I see
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> they usually need a dedicated controller of sorts.
[17:36] <scummos> what do I do instead?
[17:36] <scummos> oh :(
[17:36] <scummos> what kind of input does it need?
[17:36] <atouk> microvolts
[17:36] <scummos> "microvolts"?
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[17:37] <scummos> I have a dedicated raspberry pi
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:37] <atouk> stay with leds. walk then run
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> it needs an alternating current for a start.
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> So you'll need 2 pins per segment to start with.. then drive them in a push-pull fashion...
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> 8 segments per digit, 6 digits = 96 pins...
[17:38] <scummos> it does have a lot of pins
[17:39] <atouk> charlieplex it ;)
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> although that's only got 50 pins on it, so maybe it's a bit simpler.
[17:39] <scummos> atouk: this has never been about having a working display, it's just about "ooh, can I make this 30-year-old hardware work?" :)
[17:39] <[SLB]> still common a/k maybe?
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[17:39] <scummos> the connections are all visible
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> but effectively you have 6 * 8 segments = 48 ...
[17:39] <scummos> every pin except the top right one is connected to one of the segments
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> you still need to drive it with AC.
[17:40] <[SLB]> does it also have dots?
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> no dots.
[17:40] <scummos> yes, it has, but it's hard to see how many
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> I can see the segments on that photo.
[17:40] <scummos> oh, it definitely has at least two chars
[17:40] <scummos> between the numbers
[17:40] <[SLB]> i mean
[17:40] <[SLB]> yes those colon
[17:40] <scummos> yes
[17:40] <scummos> I think it's like a time display
[17:41] <scummos> it has two colons
[17:41] * scummos goes try 3V AC
[17:41] <scummos> it has two colons, one after the first two chars and one after the next two
[17:42] <scummos> now where do I get 3V AC from
[17:43] <atouk> a lot of general purpose displays had colons and still ened up on calculators, etc
[17:43] <atouk> are we doing VFD and nixie tibes next?
[17:43] <scummos> hum?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> actually...
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> it's possible my knowledge is out of date, as some googling has shown..
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGXTJL51D6Q
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> turn the volume down )-:
[17:44] <atouk> VFD were the uwually green ones that glowed each segment
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> Mmmmmm .... nixie tubes...
[17:45] * scummos doesn't know those
[17:46] <BurtyB> :o
[17:46] <scummos> I think I should probably solder it somewhere for further experiments
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[17:51] <atouk> i'm suprised we haven't seen a pi pov clock yet
[17:51] <scummos> do you think it might need more than 3 V?
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> scummos, who knows - that's the trouble with those - they were usually sold with controllers - however di dyou watch taht youtube video? there are links there to the chaps project page - arduino, but probably adaptible.
[17:53] <scummos> gordonDrogon: yep, I'll read around
[17:54] <scummos> it sounded more like it was just for displaying letters and stuff
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> scummos, well that's all the display can display - really numbers only.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> scummos, but the important but will be that he has an article/blog telling you how to wire it up and actually make it work.
[17:56] <scummos> gordonDrogon: of course. I meant it sounded more like a library to tell the arduino "display hello world"
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[17:56] <scummos> not like a ... "driver" for the display
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> the back-end code doesn't matter - it's the hardware interfacing you should look at... once that's cracked, you can make it display anything - within the limits of the segments it has.
[17:58] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I tought that maybe the AC to drive it is generated by the backend code, no?
[17:58] <atouk> never underesstimate what you can de with a handfull of leds
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> e.g. https://projects.drogon.net/7-segment-led-display-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:59] <atouk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc6D_NTv4y0&feature=related
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> scummos, maybe it's not AC though - I mentioned earlier that my knowledge may be incorrect - even if it is AC, then that video and blog will tell you how...
[17:59] <scummos> gordonDrogon: okay, thanks -- I'll look at it :)
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[18:01] <sKeiths> hi. I have installed fresh whezbian image from site. when i try to start tetris clone it complains that /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg is missing. anyone else see this?
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[18:02] <gordonDrogon> I have a half-made PoV 'wand' ...
[18:03] <atouk> i did a pic stick clock a long time ago. gave it away
[18:03] <Benighted> sKeiths: have to you tried 'touch /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg'?
[18:03] <atouk> verticle stick that did the pov if you moved yor head
[18:03] <sKeiths> no, but will right now
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> wow. I want one of those clocks...
[18:04] <scummos> haha yeah
[18:04] <scummos> that clock is pretty cool
[18:04] <atouk> there's some really neat pov stuff out there
[18:04] <scummos> what is especially cool about it is that you get a huge display with relatively few LEDs
[18:06] <sKeiths> no timidity directory in /etc
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> the cool part is the cartesian to polar coordinate transforms.
[18:06] <atouk> pi is too big to spin. maybe a led cube
[18:06] <sKeiths> i suppose i need to install timidity :)
[18:06] <teh_> heheh
[18:06] <scummos> atouk: does it necessarily need to spin too
[18:06] <teh_> i finally got my idea for a website to host w/ my pi
[18:07] <teh_> :)
[18:07] <atouk> usually the processor is on the wand spinning with the leds
[18:07] <scummos> yeah...
[18:08] <atouk> remember, you have to supply power to the spinning wand. usually done inductively. tey doing that with the signals for each led
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[18:10] <scummos> gordonDrogon: hm, apprently one needs to supply either in-phase or 180-degree-off voltage to the "ground" pin and the segment. I'll get my optocoupler board and test this with 12V (with 3V nothing happens)
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[18:12] <sKeiths> excellent .. tetris clone now working . ty
[18:12] <Benighted> np :)
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[18:16] <gordonDrogon> sKeiths, don't get sued!!!
[18:18] <sKeiths> hehe, tetrinomo
[18:18] <sKeiths> or something like that
[18:19] <des2> http://www.webpronews.com/tetris-clones-beware-you-may-be-held-accountable-for-copyright-infringement-2012-06
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[18:25] * sKeiths ammends his use of 'tetris clone' with 'that puzzle game that has the same rules as tetris and plays similar'.
[18:26] <des2> but can't accidentally be confused with the real thing by the average person....
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[18:27] <SpeedEvil> hextris was excellent
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> hexagons
[18:27] <tripgod> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7DHRGISEYU
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[18:31] <sKeiths> thats a hard one SpeedEvil
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ElusiveByte.Blocks&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5FbHVzaXZlQnl0ZS5CbG9ja3MiXQ..
[18:31] <SpeedEvil> is a total bastard
[18:32] * AC`97 was expecting gangnam style tetris
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[18:32] <sKeiths> balls. that unstable blocks is incompatible with my phone :(
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> it used to be called unstable tetris, with lots of downloads
[18:32] <saturation> how can I see what is /dev/device for my nokia cs-17 3g modem?
[18:33] <AC`97> saturation: dmesg, perhaps
[18:33] <saturation> no luck
[18:33] <AC`97> then it probably doesn't exist.
[18:34] <saturation> yeah, it does, lsusb shows it properly
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[18:34] <AC`97> i mean the /dev device
[18:35] <AC`97> unless your modem happens to be hayes compatible? XD
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[18:35] <AC`97> saturation: echo /dev/ttyACM*
[18:35] <atouk> wow haven't even though about ++ commands in years
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> /dev/ttyUSB0 maybe
[18:36] <AC`97> ^ wot
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> or ttyACM0
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[18:37] <scummos> ok some segments change color
[18:37] <scummos> but they do not ... glow
[18:37] <scummos> well I don't even know whether they're meant to glow
[18:37] <saturation> nope :)
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> scummos, LCD does not glow.
[18:37] <saturation> there is no ttyACM*
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> it either blocks or reflects light.
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> with enough power, it glows just fine.
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> so you backlight them, or have a reflective surface behind them which reflects light, but not the 'lit' segments which appear black.
[18:38] <scummos> gordonDrogon: ooh, so I should put a backlight
[18:38] <saturation> neither ttyUSB*
[18:38] * SpeedEvil puts away his plasma torch.
[18:38] <[SLB]> ^
[18:38] * AC`97 has plasma cutter
[18:38] <AC`97> plasma torch too expensive :|
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> I have a plasma globe...
[18:38] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I was wondering, since the backside looked so opaque...
[18:38] <scummos> well non-opaque that is
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> scummos, have you really never ever seen an LCD display like that before? e.g. petrol pumps, clocks, watches, just about anything like a calculator, etc. has a display like that ...
[18:39] <AC`97> computer/laptop screen.
[18:39] <saturation> phew... I am hitting my head against the wall..
[18:39] <scummos> gordonDrogon: yeah, I know those, but I'm still not sure what I have in my hands here. :)
[18:39] <AC`97> >:D
[18:39] <atouk> most lcd's used a polorizing sheet over them for use with reflective light
[18:39] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I just can't imagine what it looks like when it works.
[18:39] <[SLB]> what's the pinout of this relay? http://goo.gl/rV05H am i supposed to use the bottom right 4 pins for vcc/gnd/triggers and the 3 screws for each relay are meant to get me normally open/closed output?
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> atouk, they modules should already have that.
[18:40] <atouk> is it a glass module?
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> scummos, did you watch that video I posted? That's what it wil look like. Or go find a calculator - that's what it will look like.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> although the module in the video looks like it has a reflective back to it.
[18:40] <AC`97> [SLB]: pull in1/in2 to ground to activate, i assume.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> just put some white card behind it and shine a light on it.
[18:41] <[SLB]> i shouldn't care about the other 3 pins where the jumper is?
[18:41] <AC`97> [SLB]: connect one ground, and VCC to 5v on the right side. left side is unconnected
[18:41] <[SLB]> ah oks
[18:41] <scummos> gordonDrogon: alright... I tought those kind of displays were always that silverish-gray color. mine is green.
[18:42] <AC`97> if you want to use separate 5v for the relay coils, remove jumper and input your separate 5v on uh... one of the jumper pins. whichever one isn't connected to the other vcc
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> scummos, shine a light through it :)
[18:42] * AC`97 forgot
[18:42] <[SLB]> and the relays provide both normally open/closed connection depending on which pair of pins i use? like 1-2 or 2-3?
[18:42] <[SLB]> ah thanks the jumper makes sense now
[18:42] <AC`97> yep.
[18:42] <[SLB]> cool ty
[18:42] <AC`97> np
[18:42] <scummos> gordonDrogon: it has a kind of silverish back panel, it doesn't look like light is supposed to shine through it :)
[18:43] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I can now turn segments on and off, but the difference between on and off is very slim.
[18:43] <AC`97> [SLB]: got a multimeter? you should test the voltage on in1/in2 to make sure they're not above 3v
[18:43] <scummos> with 24V it's a bit better but not much
[18:44] <[SLB]> yes i have a multimeter, but not the relay yet :3
[18:44] <AC`97> :P
[18:44] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:44] <AC`97> mine were wayyy below 3v
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[18:45] <[SLB]> in1/in2 can go straight to gpio pins, right?
[18:45] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I think I'm beginning to understand what happened... I think the liquid got out of the cells, and made everything very dark... that's why one does not see the silvery back-plane, and thus the contrast is very bad
[18:45] <scummos> gordonDrogon: some of the segments are even hidden behind the liquid
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[18:46] <AC`97> [SLB]: yes, as long as you make sure they're <3v
[18:46] <AC`97> well, it COULD be safe even if they're above 3v, but i wouldn't risk it
[18:46] <[SLB]> oks eheh
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[19:01] <biberao> hi
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[19:02] <biberao> whos crazy to use gentoo for rasp?
[19:02] <biberao> :X
[19:03] <Fleck> :D
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[19:05] <biberao> im about to try xibo for the first time
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> scummos, bin it.
[19:07] <des2> Is your will up to date ?
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[19:10] <biberao> des2: mine?
[19:10] <des2> Yes, in case xibo goes badly...
[19:11] <biberao> des2: on rasp?
[19:12] <Benighted> anyone here overcome mmc0 controller never released inhibit bits on a class 10 microSDHC?
[19:12] <biberao> im trying it on x86 first
[19:12] <des2> heh,
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[19:13] <biberao> des2: is it so badly working
[19:13] <biberao> on rasp?
[19:13] <biberao> even on 512MB ram?
[19:13] <des2> no no it was just a joke.
[19:13] <biberao> you let me know :p
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[19:15] <biberao> des2: im trying to install it on gentoo
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[19:16] <des2> good luck
[19:17] <biberao> thanks
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[19:35] <Benighted> anyone here have a good reference for cmdline.txt options?
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[19:36] <biberao> Datalink: are you around?
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[19:36] <dime> hi.. anyone else ordered from allied? it's now past the 3 month mark for me (ordered 3 on july 18) and i can't even see my order in their system anymore (since the option is see orders from past 30/60/90 days)
[19:37] <des2> from what I've seen you aren't the only one.
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[19:38] <des2> RS/Allied = long wait times, order uncertainty
[19:38] <biberao> des2: what would be a good way to receiving audio thru wireless and send to it some speakers without really showing those are speakers?
[19:39] <des2> What do you mean by 'without really showing those are speakers ?"
[19:39] <dime> what's wait time from element14? i'll take roughest estimate
[19:39] <biberao> des2: i need an undercover device
[19:40] <Benighted> element14 was about 2 weeks for my pi's
[19:40] <Benighted> sorry 3 weeks
[19:40] <des2> aound Nov 11 (mcmelectronics)
[19:40] <Benighted> anywhere in canada to get the 512 versions?
[19:40] <des2> They really got flooded with orders after the 512M announcement
[19:40] <dime> holy shit.. wow
[19:40] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I baked it, let's see what it does now
[19:40] <scummos> it looks even more broken
[19:41] <dime> thanks benighted.. i'll register with them pronto.. i should have done so a long time ago
[19:41] <Datalink> ooh, happy birthday to me, my Pibow came
[19:41] <Benighted> yeah - I'm kicking my ass, saw the 512s when they were available, fear of the wife's wrath stayed my hand... idiot I am
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[19:42] <des2> Farnell/element14/newark/mcm electronics/adafruit are your best bets in the US.
[19:43] <des2> biberai I'm still confused what you mean by undercover device.
[19:43] <scummos> I think it was a bit too hot, too
[19:44] <scummos> and it smells pretty bad
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[19:46] <scummos> .... I threw it away
[19:46] <scummos> RPI
[19:46] <scummos> *RIP
[19:46] <swecide> http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/tng-the-inner-light-review-6407221
[19:46] <swecide> wtf..
[19:46] <swecide> wrong channel
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[19:50] <Hexxeh> so guys
[19:50] * des2 orders some tea, earl grey, hot from swecide.
[19:51] <des2> Hey Hexxeh
[19:51] <Hexxeh> if we raise another $484, we'll have a chromium os image: http://twitch.tv/teamthatone
[19:51] <Hexxeh> also james' is going to remove his eyebrows once we hit 40 viewers
[19:51] <home> Hexxeh: really?
[19:52] <Leestons> raise some more and won't he dye his hair?
[19:52] <Hexxeh> a really slow and unusable one, but yes :P
[19:52] <Hexxeh> yes
[19:52] <Hexxeh> $234 until he dyes his hair
[19:52] <des2> How much for a not slow and usable one ?
[19:52] <Shift_> What's the money for exactly?
[19:53] <Hexxeh> childrens miracle hospitals
[19:53] <Shift_> ah ok, I am a bit broke right now, but I'll see what I can scrape up.
[19:53] <Hexxeh> des2: when the foundation release their X driver stuff, it'll slot in nicely
[19:54] <des2> great
[19:54] <home> Hexxeh: how?
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[19:56] <narcos> Hi all. I put the Raspbmc image on my Pi - but it doesn't obtain a IP via DHCP over ethernet. Has anyone else had this problem?
[19:57] <Hexxeh> I'll also write up instructions on how to build your own Chromium OS image
[19:57] <narcos> (DHCP worked on another image, and plugging in another machine into the cable succeeds over DHCP)
[19:57] <home> narcos: nope
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> scummos, bin it, not bake it ...
[19:58] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I did both
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> scummos, :)
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[19:59] <scummos> I'll just buy a new one :)
[19:59] <Benighted> has anyone played around with parition table selection?
[19:59] <scummos> it was rather interesting tough
[19:59] <dirty_d> Benighted, what do you mean
[20:00] <home> narcos: use Xbian :
[20:02] <narcos> home: OK - is that the best option for a media centre?
[20:02] <home> narcos: Yep :D
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[20:02] <Benighted> dirty_d troubleshooting some microSDHC cards that are on the verified peripherals, with the new firmware still getting mmc0 never released inhibit bits
[20:02] <[SLB]> i installed xbmc on raspbian
[20:03] <narcos> home: Cool :) Also, I don't have a keyboard - can I control it remotely in a 'nice' way?
[20:03] <Benighted> slb really?
[20:03] <MashedUpCow> how's XBMC?
[20:03] <home> narcos: you can ssh to it, and control it that way\
[20:03] <[SLB]> yes from here i think https://github.com/RB-tomaz/xbmc-rdp-tomaz
[20:03] <home> narcos: or us XBMC remote >.>
[20:03] <dirty_d> Benighted, oh, hmm
[20:03] <[SLB]> actually from this package https://github.com/downloads/RB-tomaz/xbmc-rdp/xbmc-rdp.armhf.deb
[20:04] <narcos> home: Cool :)
[20:04] <narcos> home: Could you recommend a physical remote to pair too?
[20:04] <narcos> There are so many options
[20:04] <narcos> Something with a regular tv buttons on one side, and a qwerty on the back would be great++
[20:05] <Benighted> dirty_d I've tried everything that is documented that I've found so far including sdhci options in cmdline
[20:05] <Datalink> yay, I have a slug of Rainbow acrylic around my Pi, I am happy
[20:05] <dirty_d> what does "never released" actually mean?
[20:06] <Benighted> dirty_d Problem is it boots raspbmc and fails on paritioning with the same error mentioned, if I dd from a working sandisk class 4 to my class 10 microSDHC it works, but if I do anything with the paritioning it errors out again... fsck runs clean
[20:06] <donzoomik> damn it, rpi ordered in july arrived yesterday and still rev1 with 256mb :(
[20:06] <des2> !
[20:06] <dirty_d> Benighted, you just cant partition it?
[20:07] <des2> What country are you in donzoomik ?
[20:07] <donzoomik> estonia
[20:08] <Benighted> dirty_d I can, all partitions are readable but every OS I throw at it fails when it attempts to partition
[20:08] <dirty_d> Benighted, fails while changing the partitions with fdisk etc, or fails to boot after you cahnge the paritions
[20:08] <donzoomik> oh, even june, not july
[20:08] <donzoomik> that's got to be a record
[20:09] <Benighted> dirty_d - still boots but after "Setting up preliminary keymap" get the 'mmc0 controller never released inhibit bits'
[20:09] * narcos finds http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Remote_control_reviews
[20:09] <narcos> Cool ^
[20:11] <dirty_d> Benighted, hmm, got the4 latest kernel and firmware and all?
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[20:16] <Benighted> yes, fresh wheezy install, I commented out the backup and ran rpi-update | sudo sync (offline with ROOT & BOOT set)
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[20:16] <Benighted> I'm struggling to understand why raspbmc installer.img boots and nothing else does
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[20:17] <Benighted> dirty_d think my next step is to disable journaling on the ext4 partition as mmcblk0p2-8 seems to be the offender
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[20:19] <dirty_d> strange
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[20:20] <Datalink> ffs laptop wifi
[20:20] <dirty_d> this the card is just defective?
[20:20] <Benighted> nope, 3 different cards, all the same model
[20:20] <Datalink> [SLB], where did you get that stat page?
[20:21] <dirty_d> even stranger
[20:21] <[SLB]> which one?
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[20:21] <Datalink> http://pi.slblabs.com/pistats/
[20:21] <dirty_d> i need a project
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[20:22] <[SLB]> from atouk, edited a little bit
[20:22] <[SLB]> here
[20:22] <Leestons> Me too dirty_d, I think I need some money first though.
[20:22] <Datalink> ah
[20:22] <des2> atouk's rotating PI is more awesome.
[20:22] <Leestons> Or some research so I actually have a clue
[20:22] <[SLB]> eheh
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[20:22] <dirty_d> jeez, nice gif, lol
[20:23] <[SLB]> someone made it in blender i believe
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[20:23] <Benighted> dirty_d stranger yet is they are listed on verified peripherals list http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[20:23] <Leestons> That page is awesome!
[20:23] <dirty_d> Benighted, do you have any problems with the cards on a PC?
[20:24] <Benighted> none whatsoever
[20:24] <Benighted> 16GB microSDHC Class 10 (PSF16GMSHC10) (requires recent kernel update for boot)
[20:24] <dirty_d> fscked all the paritions and stuff?
[20:24] <Benighted> dirty_d yep, all clean
[20:24] <dirty_d> Benighted, you have 3.2.27?
[20:25] <Benighted> dirty_d - yes
[20:25] <Benighted> dirty_d as mentioned, raspbmc installer.img boots fine, and fails on partitioning disks portion
[20:25] <Datalink> atouk, where may I download and abuse that info page?
[20:25] <[SLB]> there's a download link at the bottom of his page
[20:25] <Datalink> oh
[20:26] <dirty_d> Benighted, ive never used hte rasbian installer
[20:26] <dirty_d> Benighted, can you just use a regular disk image?
[20:27] <Benighted> dirty_d it's the xbmc -rpi installer that works to that point, it doesn't even get to the raspi-config on wheezy
[20:27] <Benighted> Slackware 14 install worked fine too, until the first reboot
[20:28] <dirty_d> hmm
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[20:29] <Datalink> Benighted, how big are the cards you're installing Rasbian on?
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[20:31] <Benighted> Datalink: 16GB microSDHC Class 10 (PSF16GMSHC10) (requires recent kernel update for boot)
[20:31] <Datalink> Benighted, have you tried with a class 4? I've heard mixed results from class 10s
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[20:32] <dirty_d> Benighted, maybe the adapter is crappy or something
[20:33] <dirty_d> although i cant imagine how it could be, its just wires right?
[20:34] <Datalink> dirty_d, if it where happening across all distros I'd suspect the writer, he's getting some working, some not, it's sounding more lika a raspbian driver issue... which is why I suspect the class 10...
[20:34] <Benighted> dirty_d I'm using the same patriot adapter that doesnt work for the class 10 with class 4 sandisk and it works
[20:34] <dirty_d> hmm
[20:35] <dirty_d> you siad hte installer.img has the latest kernel?
[20:36] <Benighted> not sure, it's the only img I've tried (aside from slackware) that boots from the card successfully
[20:36] <Benighted> tell you in a moment
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[20:40] <dirty_d> >>>Edit /boot/cmdline.txt and add sdhci-bcm2708.cycle_delay=1000
[20:40] <dirty_d> pacman -Syu just told me that
[20:40] <dirty_d> i wonder if this has anything to do with your problem,
[20:43] <Benighted> dirty_d that one I haven't tried yet - will let you know shortly, thanks!
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[20:48] <[SLB]> offtopic, for those who use dropbox and have university email account, there are up to 25gb free of storage for 2 years
[20:48] <dirty_d> hmm sdhci-bcm2708.cycle_delay=1000 made my boot fail
[20:49] <dirty_d> unknown block device (0,0)
[20:49] <Benighted> yeah, I got nothing from that one
[20:49] <home> I am so mad
[20:49] <Benighted> looks like a delay of 1000 seconds?
[20:49] <home> life sucks
[20:49] <Benighted> home why?
[20:50] <home> it's stupid
[20:50] <Benighted> home we are all upset we can't order 512s
[20:50] <home> Not that
[20:50] <home> I am fine with my 256
[20:50] <dirty_d> Benighted, we cant?
[20:51] <Benighted> dirty_d I can't - stuck in the great white north and newark has a 'register interest' instead of order button
[20:51] <dirty_d> Benighted, oh me too
[20:51] <dirty_d> i thought that was normal
[20:51] <tero> um guys any ideas how to record sound to the sd card as wav file from a usb sound card mic input? what kind a linux audio software would work on arm?
[20:51] <dirty_d> i havent registered my interest though
[20:51] <Benighted> nope ordered 2 so far of the old model, but new model window was something I missed the first round
[20:53] <dirty_d> Benighted, did you figure what kernel the installer.img has?
[20:53] <des2> tero arecord
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[20:55] <des2> http://www.aonsquared.co.uk/raspi_voice_control
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[20:56] <des2> that webpage gives an example of recording using arecord on the pi.
[20:56] <tero> des2 awesome! thank you :)
[20:57] <Benighted> dirty_d can I do that offline? doesn't give me the opportunity on boot
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[20:58] <dirty_d> Benighted, yea just mount it on a pc
[20:58] <dirty_d> and look at whats in /lib/modules
[20:58] <dirty_d> easiest way i think
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[21:00] <Benighted> asks to specify filesystem type?
[21:00] <dirty_d> how are you mounting it?
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[21:01] <dirty_d> just put the sdcard in a reader
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[21:04] <Benighted> dirty_d was trying to mount the img file, the kernel.img was modified Oct 10th, I believe Raspbmc is running on the latest
[21:04] <dirty_d> you cant mount the img directly
[21:04] <[SLB]> the img file may have multiple partitions, check it with fdisk -l file.img
[21:04] <Benighted> I know why it's booting (setting root=/dev/ram0 instead of /dev/mmcblk0p2)
[21:04] <Benighted> SLB did, only has the one
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[21:04] <dirty_d> theres a program that will create device files given am ing
[21:04] <dirty_d> img
[21:04] <dirty_d> i cant remember what it is
[21:05] <dirty_d> it starts with k
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[21:05] <[SLB]> you may need to mount the img file using an offset, probably skipping the boot record
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[21:05] <[SLB]> with fdisk you can see which offset you'd need
[21:05] <Mihaylov> Hello, how I can enable the sound on rpi?
[21:05] <Shift_> or with 'file'
[21:06] <[SLB]> yes too
[21:06] <[SLB]> Mihaylov, analog or hdmi?
[21:06] <Mihaylov> hdmi
[21:06] <[SLB]> try sudo amixer cset numid=3 2
[21:06] <[SLB]> and possibly check it's not muted in alsamixer
[21:06] <Datalink> Mihaylov, omxplayer -o hdmi [file]
[21:06] <Mihaylov> its not muted
[21:07] <[SLB]> ^
[21:07] <Datalink> generally sound's gone to HDMI on mine, so I'm not gonna be much help aside from that
[21:08] <dirty_d> ahh, its kpartx
[21:08] <[SLB]> i also had to add hdmi_drive=2 to /boot/config.txt
[21:08] <[SLB]> nice
[21:08] <Benighted> Mihaylov edit your config.txt per slb
[21:08] <dirty_d> Benighted, you use kpartx to create the device files for the .img
[21:08] <Benighted> nice, thanks I'll install
[21:09] <sKeiths> Datalink, is there more you can add when starting omxplayer to clear the screen first?
[21:09] <[SLB]> Package kpartx-0.4.9-19.fc16.x86_64 already installed and latest version < i didn't even know, lol
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[21:09] <Datalink> sKeiths, nfi, want to know that one myself
[21:09] <sKeiths> if i find out, i let you know
[21:10] <Datalink> doesn't seem to be, I usually run cmatrix while running yt... not the nicest thing to do to my pi's CPU but ehe... it handles it alright
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[21:12] <Mihaylov> [SLB] hdmi_drive is commented
[21:12] <[SLB]> try uncommenting it if omxplayer -o hdmi is not working yet
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[21:15] <dirty_d> Benighted, `kpartx -a archlinux-hf-2012-09-18.img`
[21:15] <dirty_d> that adds device files loop0p1 and lop0p2 to /dev/mapper
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[21:17] <dirty_d> Benighted, when youre done `kpartx -d archlinux-hf-2012-09-18.img` removes them
[21:17] <Benighted> dirty_d thanks I'll give that a shot
[21:17] <bcgrown> i installed JamVm and put it at the top of the list in the config file... now how do I tell if it's actually being used by default? java -version still says it's using Zero VM
[21:17] <saturation> anyone else set 3g stick up?
[21:18] <Mihaylov> [SLB] still not sound
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[21:18] <[SLB]> did you do the amixer command?
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[21:19] <Mihaylov> yes
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[21:19] <[SLB]> hm not sure then
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[21:20] <[SLB]> are you using the default user or you created a new one?
[21:21] <lotia> greetings all. using raspbian preinstalled by farnell on a 4GB sd card. Updated distro, kernel '3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT'. the box says it's a rev B but only 184MB reported.
[21:21] <lotia> any thoughts?
[21:21] <lotia> sorry version 2
[21:21] <[SLB]> sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav produces anything?
[21:21] <des2> What's the memory split ?
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[21:22] <asaru> werent there early rev2 256mb models?
[21:22] <Benighted> lotia you using the 512 version?
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[21:22] <des2> And did you look to see what memory chip is on the board ?
[21:22] <des2> And when did you get it ?
[21:22] <Benighted> lotia if it's the 512mb need to wait for the next firmware update to fix
[21:23] <[SLB]> i thought the past 2 or 3 updates had already mem split for the 512?
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[21:23] <Benighted> ah, I could be wrong then
[21:23] <[SLB]> not sure, but the elf files are in /boot so i guess yes
[21:23] <des2> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/how-to-tell-how-much-ram-your-raspberry-pi-has-20121016/
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[21:24] <lotia> Benighted: shipping box suggested as such.
[21:24] <lotia> as you asking if I am using the 512 version of HW or if there's a 512 version of the kernel or distro?
[21:24] <des2> Please see the above to verify which chip is on your board.
[21:25] <atouk> paste back result of cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:25] <Vanadis> oh hai
[21:25] <AC`97> atouk: ARE YOU SURE??
[21:25] <[SLB]> lotia, cat /proc/cmdline
[21:26] * AC`97 is about to paste
[21:26] <[SLB]> what does mem.mem_base= say?
[21:26] <Vanadis> anyone installed the current rasbmc build and gets kernel panic on every boot?
[21:26] <[SLB]> or check the mem chip yea :3
[21:27] <dirty_d> Vanadis, whats the error?
[21:27] <AC`97> root nawt found
[21:27] <atouk> bad image?
[21:28] <dirty_d> is sdhci-bcm2708.cycle_delay=100 in cmdline.txt?
[21:28] <lotia> physical check as per above link indicates 5G
[21:28] <dirty_d> Vanadis, AC`97 ^
[21:28] <[SLB]> 5?
[21:28] <dirty_d> 1000*
[21:28] <AC`97> wuh
[21:28] <Benighted> dirty_d yes 3.2.27+
[21:28] <dirty_d> Benighted, ok
[21:28] <Vanadis> image seems okay, give me a sec for the error message
[21:29] <lotia> physical check as per above link indicates 4G memory chip variant would be a 512MB version
[21:29] <lotia> sorry about the typo earlier
[21:29] <atouk> did yoou do all the apt-get updates and get latest firmware?
[21:29] <[SLB]> ah okies :) you should be able to choose the mem split you'd like it to have then
[21:30] <des2> You have 5g ?
[21:30] <[SLB]> 4g
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[21:30] <lotia> atouk: I did an apt-get dist-upgrade after apt-get upgrade
[21:30] <lotia> atouk: I did an apt-get dist-upgrade after apt-get update
[21:30] <Vanadis> kernel panic: not syncing - attempt to kill init
[21:31] <[SLB]> first update, then upgrade
[21:31] <Benighted> lotia did you use Hexxeh's firmware update tool?
[21:31] <des2> <lotia> physical check as per above link indicates 5G
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[21:31] <AC`97> Vanadis: how about before that
[21:31] <Vanadis> reflashed already and tried it with a different sd-card
[21:31] <lotia> Benighted: I haven't. I'll google and see if I can figure it out
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[21:32] <[SLB]> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[21:32] <Vanadis> AC`97, give me a sec, i'll upload a photo
[21:32] <Benighted> easy, install the rpi updater and run sudo rpi-update
[21:32] <AC`97> om nom nom, photo...
[21:32] <Benighted> if you need to do offline you can specify ROOT_PATH & BOOT_PATH
[21:33] <lotia> Benighted: i'm guessing there isn't an apt package since the instructions suggest github?
[21:33] <Benighted> yea, 3rd party
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[21:33] <Benighted> do a wget https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
[21:33] <Vanadis> AC`97, http://vanadis.redirectme.net/raspi_error.jpg
[21:34] <AC`97> oh... wow
[21:34] <AC`97> no way to scroll up? ^_^
[21:34] <Vanadis> wait :3
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[21:36] <Mihaylov> Now sounds work but gets stuck with moc player, thanks [SLB]
[21:36] <[SLB]> yw:)
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[21:37] <Vanadis> AC`97, no way to scroll up :3
[21:38] <AC`97> ??.??
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[21:38] <Vanadis> is there a logfile on the sdcard?
[21:38] <AC`97> possibly /var/log/kernel*
[21:39] <AC`97> Oct 20 07:10:07 yauto kernel: ath5k phy1: unsupported jumbo
[21:39] <AC`97> hah
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[21:39] <]Spectre[> Hi,a newbie question,I'm looking for a php compiler for the raspberry pi? Thanks in advance
[21:40] <biberao> any of you gus setup xibo?
[21:40] <TSS_Killer> I have a question about an issue I'm having with the RetroPie configuration over Composite
[21:40] <Mihaylov> compiler?
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[21:40] <Mihaylov> do you mean IDE?
[21:40] <Vanadis> AC`97, gonna flash something else on the sdcard
[21:40] <AC`97> o.O
[21:41] <lotia> any arch users on?
[21:41] <AC`97> possibly.
[21:41] <]Spectre[> Something that convert the php code to bytecode to protect if
[21:41] <]Spectre[> It
[21:41] <Berry6510> any 512MB deliveries already?
[21:41] <lotia> considering running it on a second sd card
[21:41] <lotia> Berry6510: I received mine
[21:41] <des2> Many peopleBerry
[21:41] <Berry6510> perfect
[21:41] <AC`97> now that archlinux has hardfloat, there's no reason to use anything else!~
[21:42] <AC`97> i converted my softfloat arch to hardfloat within the pi [:
[21:42] <Berry6510> i ordered mine many months ago... cancelled and re-ordered again at another supplier
[21:42] <TSS_Killer> basically, my issue is on the latest build of raspbian, I can't find any specific setting in the config file where I can adjust the overscan values for either EmulationStation or the individual emulators
[21:43] <TSS_Killer> and the config.txt only configures the overscan area for the console, not the programs
[21:43] <AC`97> orly
[21:43] <dirty_d> AC`97, me too
[21:43] <dirty_d> and systemd
[21:43] <AC`97> ORLY
[21:44] <dirty_d> very nice!
[21:44] <AC`97> eww systemd
[21:44] * AC`97 barfs
[21:44] <dirty_d> for real?
[21:44] <AC`97> :P
[21:44] * AC`97 <3 initscripts
[21:44] <dirty_d> systemd is awesome
[21:44] <TSS_Killer> I guess no one has a solid answer to that issue
[21:44] <AC`97> systemd bloated and slow
[21:44] <AC`97> i doubt i could get a 7-second bootup with systemd
[21:44] <dirty_d> no
[21:44] <dirty_d> its like literally 10x faster
[21:44] <AC`97> ...
[21:44] <dirty_d> i do
[21:45] <dirty_d> mt bootup is like 1 sec
[21:45] <dirty_d> on rpi
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[21:45] <AC`97> orly
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[21:45] <[SLB]> mt?
[21:45] <dirty_d> my
[21:45] <AC`97> megatokyo.
[21:45] <AC`97> XD
[21:45] <[SLB]> eheh :3
[21:45] <TSS_Killer> hmm
[21:46] <dirty_d> systemd is better in every way that i can see
[21:46] <dirty_d> simpler, faster, more reliable
[21:46] <AC`97> ^ troll
[21:46] <dirty_d> oh stop
[21:46] <TSS_Killer> do I need to idle in here 3 weeks just to get an answer?
[21:46] <Shift_> Don't go calling someone a troll for voicing their opinion.
[21:46] * AC`97 <- troll
[21:46] <AC`97> is that bettar?
[21:47] <]Spectre[> No one know if its possible to convert php to bytecode ?
[21:47] <atouk> why?
[21:47] <[SLB]> TSS_Killer, i guess there's no such configuration
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[21:47] <TSS_Killer> it's a shame
[21:47] <dirty_d> it lets the developers of daemons worry about how it should start up instead of the distro devs
[21:47] <dirty_d> unity, standards
[21:48] <[SLB]> so far i found only xbmc which lets you adjust the borders from within the application
[21:48] <dirty_d> implicit dependency handling
[21:48] <[SLB]> but it's an application's feature
[21:48] <TSS_Killer> maybe I should email the developer about that
[21:49] <TSS_Killer> because I don't exactly have access to an HDMI display 99% of the time
[21:49] <Datalink> I wanna find a rainbow ribbon cable that's 26 pin now... so I can compliment my case
[21:49] <TSS_Killer> just this crappy early 2000's Sylvania CRT
[21:49] <Datalink> ]Spectre[, that's a question more for #php than here
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[21:49] <lotia> okay firmware updated and reboot done. is there a way to list the splits the tool provides?
[21:50] <]Spectre[> Thanks datalink
[21:50] <Benighted> lotia sudo raspi-config
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[21:54] <Benighted> lotia - easiest way is to use 'ls -l' to view the .elf files in your /boot directory
[21:54] <Benighted> 128,192,224,240
[21:55] <lotia> Benighted: so no way to have it recognise all 512 yet?
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[21:55] <Benighted> lotia sorry, for 512 check your boot directory, I'm not familiar with that yet
[21:55] <atouk> cat /proc/cmdline and echo back result
[21:55] <lotia> Benighted: have exactly the elfs you listed. no others
[21:56] <lotia> atouk: do you want it pasted?
[21:56] <atouk> yup
[21:57] <lotia> https://gist.github.com/3924565
[21:57] <Benighted> lotia - yea think it's a firmware update that's needed - read it yesterday from about a week ago
[21:57] <atouk> did you rpi-update?
[21:58] <Benighted> anyone here have Patriot LX (not signature) microSDHC cards working yet?
[21:58] <Benighted> atouk yes, lotia did
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[21:58] <atouk> vc.mem results are missing
[21:59] <atouk> did lotia reboot?
[21:59] <lotia> uptime is 15 min, so i'm certain I did specially since the tool indicated that I needed to do so
[22:00] <lotia> but no averse to another reboot
[22:00] <atouk> cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you your firmware version
[22:01] <Benighted> as will uname -a
[22:02] <lotia> armv61?
[22:02] <lotia> okay to paste uname -a line in channel or would it be better to gist that too?
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[22:03] <Draylor> why hide 1 line of text behind a 1 line link? heh, that'd be very speshul
[22:03] <lotia> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:03] <atouk> oops. brainfart. meant cgencmd version
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[22:07] <Dayofswords> hey, how do i acually buy the raspberry pi? I went to he element14 site and there is only "register your interest".
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> what country?
[22:08] <Dayofswords> usa
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> it's been a long time since it said that..
[22:08] <asaru> since the 512mb version came out they've been full up on orders
[22:08] <lotia> vcgencmd reports version 337601
[22:09] <dirty_d> it does for the 512 version
[22:09] <dirty_d> not sure about 256
[22:09] <atouk> 344849 is latest for 256
[22:09] <Benighted> dayofswords register and wait like the rest of us
[22:09] <atouk> (344899)
[22:09] <Dayofswords> yeah it's the 512mb page http://i.imgur.com/R68XS.png
[22:09] <Benighted> lol
[22:09] <cerjam> element14 was out before the 512 announce too
[22:10] <Benighted> cerjam they had a window of less than 12 hours but ordering was possible initially
[22:10] <cerjam> damn really?
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[22:10] <Dayofswords> oh "Unfortunately, due to the high demand we have experienced today, we have temporarily suspended sales of the new Raspberry Pi board while our systems catch up."
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> wow. hang in there then.
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[22:10] <danmurf> Hi Raspberry Pi peeps!
[22:10] <Benighted> I'm kicking myself SO hard for not ordering 3 when I had the chance
[22:11] <chris_cook> i ordered one last week, and they said they'd email me once they've got one and dispatched it to me
[22:12] <danmurf> Does anyone know if it would be possible to power a Raspberry Pi by solar panel?
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[22:12] <dirty_d> danmurf, possible
[22:12] <Benighted> danmurf yes, provided you have a battery pack
[22:12] <Dayofswords> alrgiht, i resistered so i'll just play the waiting game til they get back to me
[22:12] <dirty_d> Dayofswords, shouldnt be too long
[22:12] <Benighted> danmurf direct solar fluctuates too much but if you have it connected to a battery bank of 2 AA's should work, although I would personally go with 4
[22:13] <Benighted> danmurf rechargeable of course
[22:13] <danmurf> So given a day's sunlight, and a decent battery pack, do you think the RPI would be able to run every day?
[22:13] <dirty_d> danmurf, whats this goign to be used for?
[22:13] <dirty_d> danmurf, yes 100% doable
[22:13] <danmurf> I would like to have a go at building a mini solar powered web server
[22:13] <dirty_d> given you have big enough battery pack, and big enough panels
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> danmurf: to get it 24*7, in some climates, you need a large panel.
[22:14] <dirty_d> you will have to work out hte battery capacity and panel size
[22:14] <danmurf> I'm in the UK so probably very large :)
[22:14] <des2> danmurf you just need a big enough solar panel and battery
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> in Scotland, foe a 2.5w load, around a 259w panel, and a 100Ah 12 deep cycle battery
[22:14] <danmurf> What sort of things are you guys using your RPIs for?
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> for
[22:14] <des2> The PI draws around 5v*500mA = 2.5Watts.
[22:15] <Benighted> danmurf I'll be doing solar server too eventually
[22:15] <Leestons> I thought it needed 700mA?
[22:15] <dirty_d> tahts max
[22:15] <des2> so for 24 hours you need to have 2.5*24 = 60 watt-hours of energy every day
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> insolation on winter dull days can be tiny.
[22:15] <Benighted> guys actually really like where this convo is going, should do a how-to for offgrid pi@!
[22:16] <Benighted> mmm offgrid pi
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> des2: 100wh or so, if lead acid. remember charge inefficiencies
[22:16] <danmurf> Hmmm, wind powered Pi too!
[22:16] <danmurf> WindyPi!
[22:16] <Benighted> wind pi is hard to eat
[22:16] <dirty_d> when in doubt, overengineer
[22:16] <danmurf> lol
[22:16] <Benighted> actually danmurf raspberrypi-internals might be a good spot too?
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> so assuming 8h of sun a day, you need about 12w
[22:17] <danmurf> internals?
[22:17] <danmurf> (sorry, I'm new to this)
[22:17] <Benighted> nm, speedevil has you covered ;)
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[22:17] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, is like the smartest person on the internet
[22:17] <Benighted> internals is another channel
[22:18] <danmurf> I think the problem in the UK is we get a lot of cloud
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.frambozenbier.org/index.php/raspi-community-news/1132-speedevil-on-solar-power
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> this is slightly better in the south of the UK.
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> not a lot though
[22:18] <Benighted> danmurf - you want the monochromic if possible (works in cloud) polychromic doesn't
[22:18] <des2> The problem is solar isn't consi\stant.
[22:18] <des2> So you need a worst-case design.
[22:19] <des2> For example, what if it rains for 4 days straight.
[22:19] <danmurf> great write-up on solar/pi, SpeedEvil
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> look at the pvoutput site quoted
[22:19] <des2> You need sufficient spare battery
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> find a panel near you
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[22:19] <SpeedEvil> look at last December
[22:19] <Benighted> des2 yes, plan for the worst hope for the best, however what if the battery bank had another input to the charge controller, say a stationary bike :P
[22:20] <lotia> what does the start_cd.elf file do?
[22:20] <danmurf> Does it make much difference what sortware you are running on the RPI to the power load?
[22:20] <des2> Start pedaling Benighted.
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[22:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pvoutput.org/intraday.jsp?id=3744&sid=2940&dt=20111113
[22:21] <Datalink> lotia, it's for if the Pi's slice is set below 64, was added with the latest firmware update
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> for example
[22:21] <Benighted> des2 I mountain bike 60-80k a day barely breaking a sweat, I can deal ;)
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> 200wh from a 4000w panel.
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[22:21] <Benighted> Speedevil - great post on solar-pi
[22:21] <home> I want solar=pi
[22:21] <home> anyone got it working? :P
[22:22] <Datalink> SpeedEvil, I'm trying to figure out how I'd charge and discharge on the same pin for my MP3 plate's battery system
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> it's a lot more practical if you live in parts of Australia
[22:22] <home> I live in Canada
[22:22] <home> is it practical?
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> or other constantly sunny places
[22:22] <dirty_d> ebay has some pretty good deals on solar panels
[22:22] <dirty_d> some very very cheap
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> home: do you have multiple overcast days?
[22:23] <dirty_d> they sell you the actual individual cells that have defects that you gotta solder together
[22:23] <dirty_d> the defects are just minor like rough edges
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: it's generally not worth it.
[22:23] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, too much work?
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[22:23] <SpeedEvil> I speak as someone with 300w of them on a shield
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> shelf
[22:24] <home> SpeedEvil: yes
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> I ended up buying 420w of panel.
[22:24] <Datalink> lotia, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot the current boot system uses fixup.dat as well as start.elf or the _cd varients if low GPU memory, the change was done so the 512 and 256 would both run on the same images, it also moves the gpu_mem to the config.txt file instead of a copy of arm*_start.elf to start.elf, stuff's like... new today new
[22:24] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, why didnt you use them?
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> as the total price was lots lower
[22:24] <dirty_d> ahh
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: they are expensive to assemble right.
[22:24] <dirty_d> well i dunno
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> assembling them in hacky ways means they may soon fail
[22:25] <dirty_d> yea
[22:25] <dirty_d> i could definitly do it in a hacky way
[22:25] <danmurf> is solar Pi quite a hot topic then?
[22:25] <dirty_d> would*
[22:25] <des2> no
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> they are easy to assemble if you will then place them inside a clean greenhouse, to keep off the ran
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> rain
[22:25] <Datalink> lotia, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20255 is the post about the update
[22:25] <SpeedEvil> danmurf: I happen to have written that a bit ago
[22:25] <dirty_d> id make a plexiglass/solar cell sandwich or something
[22:25] <des2> Because your monitor will dwarf the pi in power use
[22:26] <Datalink> well, thread
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[22:26] <Benighted> guys poly solar is inefficient in low light, mono is in all light
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: plexiglass is not free.
[22:26] <danmurf> I'm not sure what uses it could have but it'd be a good little project
[22:26] <Datalink> plexiglass does fun stuff under extended UV too...
[22:26] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, no, i thought its pretty cheap though?
[22:26] <Datalink> like turn cloudy, yellow and crack
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: not that cheap.
[22:26] <Benighted> Companies like Natcore are looking to improve solar efficiency too, more viable in 2013 mostlikely
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> and then it flezea
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> flexes.
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> silicon. cells are fragile
[22:27] <dirty_d> why does the universe have to be so against us?
[22:27] <des2> Why would you want to solar power your pi ?
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> think soldering to a cream cracker
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> Benighted: largely irrelevant,
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[22:28] <Benighted> danmurf my idea was a web server that controls a greenhouse for example, great offgrid purpose
[22:28] <danmurf> that's a great idea
[22:28] <AC`97> i solder solar panels with a torch.
[22:28] <Benighted> speedevil mono vs poly or natcore?
[22:28] <SpeedEvil> Benighted: 17% ish is fine. more would be nice. get the price down to where it can be a normal roof covering is the key
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> and 25y is a very short life for that.
[22:29] <Benighted> true, thin film tech can be applied to existing solar arrays, so it's an enhancer not a replacement
[22:29] <dirty_d> what abou wind?
[22:30] <danmurf> wow - unbelievable that these little things are so out of stock
[22:30] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[22:30] <Benighted> dirty_d - if you live nearby wind turbines you would see how useless they are :P
[22:30] <danmurf> Hi CelticTurnip
[22:30] <dirty_d> Benighted, i do, they are always turning though
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: do you ever have a windless day?
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[22:31] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: at 50m
[22:31] <dirty_d> I've never seen them not turning
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> low level wind basically sucks.
[22:31] <dirty_d> but i do live on the coast
[22:31] <Benighted> must live on the coast or high altitude?
[22:31] <Benighted> there you go
[22:31] <dirty_d> and for all i know htey could be idling in the wind producing no power
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> that said, if you live in sight of turbines, you've a better shot
[22:31] <Benighted> they built turbines everywhere in Ont for example and only a third are going half the time at best
[22:31] <des2> Indeed wind doen't work well except in high wind areas.
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: see if the production records are public
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> in Orkney, hey have wind turbines.
[22:32] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, they belong to the town, so i think they probably are
[22:32] <danmurf> have you seen the wind-belt power generator?
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> they need to shut half of them down most of the time, to avoid melting the cable to the mainland
[22:33] <Benighted> I've seen where someone took a cordless drill, rigged a 12V battery to the charge controller, set it to reverse, and hooked it up to a crank, and it was charging the battery
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> that will not last ore than a few hours
[22:33] <Benighted> Given the same idea, couldn't that be hooked up to a bike trainer as a secondary offgrid source?
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> gearbox won't take it
[22:33] <dirty_d> youd want to use a brushless motor as a generator
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[22:33] <dirty_d> a brushed on in a drill wont last long
[22:34] <AC`97> orly
[22:34] <dirty_d> rarly
[22:34] <AC`97> gnarly
[22:34] <dirty_d> word
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> and sometimess renewables suck at a given location,
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> here it was overcast nearly all day, and pretty windless.
[22:35] <des2> People can't generate as much energy as they'd like to think.
[22:35] <dirty_d> i know
[22:35] <AC`97> i can output 1HP, bwahaha
[22:35] <dirty_d> humanity might be screwed
[22:35] <AC`97> ... for like 3 seconds
[22:35] <Mihaylov> Why does rpi freezes? (Using chromium I guess)+
[22:36] <Benighted> mihaylov - check the verified peripherals, some usb devices cause issues with lag and freeze
[22:36] <dirty_d> if oil runs out before we have soemthing to replace it, its gonna be a bad time
[22:36] <Mihaylov> Benighted maybe is the mouse
[22:36] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[22:36] <danmurf> I saw the other day on the new some guys had created petrol from water and carbon dioxide in the air
[22:37] <des2> If oil ran out we could always replace it with some type of nuclear.
[22:37] <Shift_> I don't think oil is going to 'run out'. It's probably just keep getting more and more expensive, until renewables are a more economic option.
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[22:37] <Datalink> http://hackedgadgets.com/2012/10/20/automated-drink-fridge/ - is it odd I think the arduino to control servos is exess?
[22:37] <Benighted> Speedevil - cloudy windless days? You have a dog? https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
[22:37] <dirty_d> they should publicize more what hell on earth will be unleashed if we dont get our act together and replace oil with something
[22:37] <des2> The point is to replace it with something better than nuclear.
[22:37] <Benighted> err http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57874
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> no
[22:37] <danmurf> Fusion is the way forward
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> nuclear works fine
[22:37] <danmurf> It's just so hard to achieve
[22:38] <Shift_> until it doesn't
[22:38] <dirty_d> then open factories where qualified people can volunteer to work to build reneweable energy technology
[22:38] <Benighted> anyone check that smokstak link? :)
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[22:39] <dirty_d> people that care might work for free
[22:39] <Datalink> I'd prefer to be paid for my time in some way
[22:39] <Mihaylov> Benighted any way to prevent issues with lag?
[22:39] <dirty_d> its a problem with people not physics or resources
[22:40] <Benighted> mihaylov you can try turning off journaling
[22:40] <Mihaylov> Benighted ill try!
[22:40] <dirty_d> if everyone worked together for the greater good then there wouldnt be so many problems in the world
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[22:40] <Benighted> mihaylov tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/root
[22:41] <dirty_d> Datalink, your payment is saving the world
[22:42] <Shift_> I don't think the issue with renewables is the lack of technology, but the lack on incentive. In Australia we have lots of renewable options available, we just don't know what to do with the excess. We can't sell it to any neighbours like they do in Europe. It is my understanding that grid has to provide for the worst case scenario and then dump the rest. It doesn't make sense to build lots of turbines and solar arrays if most of the energy
[22:42] <Shift_> is going to be wasted. But I am not well informed on the subject, I am just repeating what my professor told me.
[22:42] <Datalink> dirty_d, hm?
[22:42] <des2> Yeah Datalink stop complaining and save the world already.
[22:42] <Datalink> dirty_d, yeah, but I can't buy food with that
[22:42] <dirty_d> Datalink, you have to do your regular job too
[22:42] <Datalink> and I kinda need food if they want me to do factory grade work
[22:42] <dirty_d> and sacrifive your free time for saving the world
[22:42] <dirty_d> lol
[22:42] <Datalink> ....
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[22:42] <Datalink> do you people not see the flaw in this?
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> Shift_: aluminium is solid electricity
[22:43] <Datalink> what enlightend self interest would do work for free? dude, get some alternative energy grants or something...
[22:43] <dirty_d> Datalink, im not saying people would
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[22:43] <dirty_d> but i am saying that the problem is human selfishness
[22:43] <Mihaylov> Benighted why is journaling enabled?
[22:43] <Benighted> datalink government policy and corporate relationships are the only thing holding back renewable infrastructure
[22:44] <dirty_d> we do have the ability to completely replace oil
[22:44] <dirty_d> if we werent worrying about self gain
[22:44] <Datalink> .....
[22:44] <Benighted> mihaylov standard on ext4 partitions to improve data integrity, but for this application it can be burdensome especially if using a class 5
[22:44] <Benighted> 4*
[22:44] <Datalink> %@#%... economics has made me a republican...
[22:44] <Mihaylov> Benighted it wears the SD
[22:45] <dirty_d> Datalink, ecinomics is the problem
[22:45] <dirty_d> you dont give unless youre going to recieve
[22:45] <Shift_> SpeedEvil, sorry, I am not drawing a link between that peice of information and anything else. Where are you going with that?
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[22:45] <Benighted> The proof is in the action, the gov was more jazzed to go with fracking instead of solar
[22:46] <Benighted> that's a statement they are in it for the corporations, not the people
[22:46] <dirty_d> i dont think the economy can drive a solution to replace oil
[22:46] <AC`97> wut is fracking
[22:46] * AC`97 is noob
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[22:46] <lotia> it's kind of amazing how much fun playing with one of these things is and I'm just getting the box set up!
[22:47] <atouk> forcing stuff down a "dry" wel to force the stuff you want back up. usually on natura gas wells
[22:47] <AC`97> ...
[22:47] <tero> um this might be a dumm question but... If I have for a specific usb hardware an open source driver, that means that could work on raspberry pi?
[22:47] <Benighted> lotia beware the sleep deprivation
[22:47] <Benighted> lotia but I agree fully
[22:47] <lotia> errr... I hope I didn't brick it.
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[22:48] <Datalink> tero, if there's a Linux driver, there's a good chance it can work for the Pi, yeah
[22:48] <Shift_> AC`97, http://bit.ly/Reqfh1 =p
[22:48] <Benighted> ac'97 fracking is drilling into natural gas and flushing it out with water causing heavy amounts of water table contamination
[22:48] <lotia> new firmware installed and taking a while to ssh in. Don't have a usb hub yet nor do I have a wifi dongle.
[22:48] <Benighted> with very little accuracy, or yeild
[22:49] <dirty_d> at what point is it goign to be economical to build renewable energy resources rather than ones powered by oil?
[22:49] <dirty_d> more economical*
[22:49] <dirty_d> probably when its too late
[22:49] <CelticTurnip> probably when it's too late ;)
[22:49] <des2> no
[22:49] <CelticTurnip> lol :)
[22:49] <Datalink> when oil becomes unprofitable
[22:49] <Datalink> while oil's profitable there's no pull to go elsewhere
[22:49] <des2> Because they aren't that more expensive than oil.
[22:49] <dirty_d> there isnt going to be enough power to power the machinery that you need to build renewable tech
[22:50] <des2> Once oil gets high enough in price many things become more exonomical.
[22:50] <dirty_d> dark ages
[22:50] <des2> Including solar.
[22:50] <dirty_d> reset
[22:50] <Benighted> oil is already unprofitable
[22:50] <dirty_d> war
[22:50] <atouk> sad truth on oils is that there is more viable fields discovered every year while the number of allowable places to drill get smaller
[22:51] <dirty_d> well, its just prolonging the problem
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[22:51] <Benighted> Oh, and one word for the nuclear crowd... Thorium
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[22:51] <dirty_d> its allowing the world to grow more power hungry while not thinking about what were going to do when the oil is gone
[22:51] <Benighted> ...Can't make weapons grade plutonium from it, and they knew about thorium isotopes before uranium, they just wanted their weapons
[22:51] <danmurf> Bye everyone - have a good evening :)
[22:52] <Benighted> later danmurf
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[22:52] <atouk> and oil is not as evil as they want you to believe. it's just a popular boogey man so the "clean" and "enviromental" groups can get more money
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[22:52] <Benighted> atouk alberta tarsands... your move
[22:52] <Benighted> ;)
[22:52] <dirty_d> is global warming even really that bad?
[22:53] <Shift_> depends on where you live
[22:53] <dirty_d> in a global sense?
[22:53] <atouk> global warming = popular myth
[22:53] <dirty_d> some places may flood
[22:53] <Benighted> global warming could just be solar cycle apex, and overly neurotic general public
[22:53] <dirty_d> some species may die
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> Shift_: aluminium production is an easy way of using up surplus electricity
[22:53] <Datalink> dirty_d, http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57394296/island-nation-kiribati-considers-moving-populace/
[22:53] <dirty_d> but overall, plant life is going to flourish
[22:53] <dirty_d> and that feeds the rest of the world
[22:53] <dirty_d> warm is good
[22:53] <CelticTurnip> plants grow in droughts now? :P
[22:53] <dirty_d> cold is bad
[22:53] <Benighted> freaky thing this summer? I was fishing in a lake 3 months ago that is now 95% bone dry
[22:53] <scummos> hm, I tried putting a FR-4 material board into a frying pan with about 260 degrees celsius, and it got all brown. doesn't it survive that temperature?
[22:54] <dirty_d> CelticTurnip, in the places that arent flooded
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[22:54] <SpeedEvil> Shift_: 15kwh/kg IIRC
[22:54] <dirty_d> which is not going to be a significant fraction of earth's land masses
[22:54] <Benighted> scummos only if you sautee it
[22:54] <Shift_> SpeedEvil, hm, interesting.
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[22:54] <scummos> Benighted: that means...?
[22:54] <dirty_d> an Ice age is what we should be more worred about
[22:54] <Shift_> atouk, If you're going to make statements like that, you better cite your sources.
[22:54] <dirty_d> that would destory civization
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[22:55] <lotia> errr... bricking #1. now to pull the SD card!
[22:55] <atouk> which statement
[22:55] <lotia> even that is fun.
[22:55] <Shift_> atouk, global warming being a myth
[22:55] <Benighted> scummos just a fun fact that was a shocker for me
[22:55] <dirty_d> why isn't anyone worreid about an ice age?
[22:55] <scummos> Benighted: sorry, I don't understand what you mean :D
[22:55] <atouk> let me clarify MANMADE global warming
[22:55] <dirty_d> dont they happen every 10,000 years or so?
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[22:56] <dirty_d> wait, human selfishness
[22:56] <dirty_d> i wont be around for it
[22:56] <Shift_> dirty_d, meh, we have survived that already and we only had fire. =P
[22:56] <Benighted> dirty_d shift_ good form
[22:56] <dirty_d> Shift_, yea in clans and tribes in tents
[22:56] <dirty_d> people are used to the good life
[22:57] <dirty_d> when that happens, there's gonna be war
[22:57] <Datalink> I haven't had a matress in 10 years
[22:57] <Benighted> scummos just saying that nature has a way of surviving things we forgot how to , if we need to relearn, I'm sure we will where possible
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> nature is a lie.
[22:57] <dirty_d> an Ice age would end everything humanity has learned and achieved
[22:58] <CelticTurnip> probably a good thing dirty_d :P
[22:58] <Benighted> if nature is a lie, religion is truth
[22:58] <dirty_d> no, because it will all happen again the same way
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> the appearance of homeostasis is an illusion that only works in limited realms.
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> Gaia does not exist.
[22:58] <Datalink> dirty_d, ice age... dude, we just call that a mild winter here
[22:58] <Benighted> speedevil = newhero
[22:58] <Shift_> atouk, you should tell all those scientists before they waste any more time.
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[22:58] <CelticTurnip> dirty_d: yeah but hey we'll be the oil, and the cockroach people will drill for us :P
[22:58] <dirty_d> Datalink, yea but you rely on warmer climates to provide you with food
[22:59] <Shift_> If only someone had told them that global warming is a myth, they could've cured cancer by now.
[22:59] <Datalink> Wisconsin is a major agricultural state
[22:59] <dirty_d> i say let global warming happen
[22:59] <dirty_d> use all that oil
[22:59] <atouk> "beleive me i'm a scientist" ranks up there with the other 5 great lies
[22:59] <Datalink> it just gets cold in winter... though last summer was the worst drought since 1950
[23:00] <scummos> Benighted: actually I was talking about the frying pan thing
[23:00] <scummos> :)
[23:00] <Shift_> atouk, it's not "believe me, I am a scientist" it's, hey, I have done research, here it is for everyone to read and point out any flaws so that we can improve our current understanding"
[23:00] <atouk> oh? like the hand picked and manipulated data to create the "hockey stick"?
[23:01] <Benighted> scummos ah, yea I got nothin' for you on that one
[23:01] <Benighted> lol
[23:01] <scummos> :D
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[23:03] <Shift_> atouk, been listening to Monckton and Durkin a bit too much? Here are some resources for you. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA4F0994AFB057BB8
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[23:08] <Benighted> scummos actually those class 10 microSDHC cards I've been going on about are almost due for the fire
[23:08] <Benighted> lo
[23:08] <Benighted> l
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[23:09] <jimerickson> just got my pi from allied. sent me a 256 instead of a 512. disappointed just a little. but at least igot a pi now.
[23:10] <scummos> heh
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[23:11] <dirty_d> jimerickson, roll with it
[23:11] <jimerickson> yep i think thats my only choice, go with the flow
[23:12] <dirty_d> You could probably get the 512, but with shipping costs and all and a $35 product, its probably not worth it.
[23:12] <jimerickson> yeah probably best just to be patient
[23:13] <Benighted> jimrickerson - new firmware has protection built in so it doesn't void your warranty anymore, as always start modest and move up instead of vice a versa
[23:13] <Benighted> overclocking is supported
[23:14] <jimerickson> Benighted: definitely
[23:14] <Benighted> well, in the sense they claim it won't reduce life expectancy of board
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[23:14] <dirty_d> how much does overvolting really reduce life?
[23:14] <dirty_d> is it like 25 years instead of 100 or something insane?
[23:15] <Leestons> I've always wondered that, only overvolted by 2 at the moment as I've been worried.
[23:15] <dirty_d> as in 7?
[23:15] <dirty_d> im on 6
[23:15] <Benighted> I would say continuous 6 overvolt would probably take it down a third, I only overvold by two, I figure it should be negligible
[23:15] <Leestons> as in I think it's the "medium" setting on raspi-config?
[23:15] <dirty_d> what is the regular "life" though?
[23:16] <Benighted> yeah, I rate mine on 'modest' full hd streaming, internet streaming, radio streams, pretty solid
[23:16] <Benighted> 5+ years I would say
[23:17] <Benighted> anything over 5 years for an electronic device without embedded battery is a bonus
[23:17] <Benighted> imoho
[23:17] <dirty_d> 5 years is an eternity with computers
[23:17] <dirty_d> rpi2
[23:17] <Benighted> in my experience if you just get a pie, keep it running continuously for first few days
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[23:18] <Benighted> I'm sure they burn in pre-shipment, but good to ensure you don't have a lemon ;)
[23:18] <des2> Yeah you don't want lemon pi.
[23:18] <Benighted> any device really, benchmark out of the box and less out of warranty surpises
[23:19] <Benighted> I actually really wouldn't mind a lemon merangue atm
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[23:28] <Ademan> openelec?
[23:28] * Ademan grumbles
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[23:31] <Vanadis> AC`97, works with openelec
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[23:35] <Ademan> is raspbmc out of fashion now?
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[23:36] <Ademan> For openelec there doesn't really appear to be a "blessed"/legitimate looking source for images... I'm all for building from source, but I don't really want to cross-compile an entire operating system...
[23:36] <sraue> you still can download builds
[23:36] <sraue> and you will be in the future too
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[23:41] <Ademan> The only images for openelec on raspberry pi I can find are at the bottom here: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi . The chain of trust for those images is very, very weak. (Not that I expect them to be malicious, but I try to not get complacent with my security)
[23:42] <sraue> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
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[23:47] <Dagger2> I've built OpenELEC. the build system takes care of _everything_ for you; all you have to do is wait
[23:47] <zontar> how long has anyone here waited for their pi?
[23:47] <zontar> is it a long wait still
[23:47] <linuxstb> sraue: Is there a reason you don't offer SD card images for the Pi?
[23:48] <sraue> 1,2,4,8,16,32 GB ones... x upload time for my crappy internet? additional the bz2 files to support our updater....
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[23:49] <lotia> yaay. new fw and 438MB of memory recognised
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[23:49] <des2> Congrats
[23:50] <lotia> thanks to you folks.
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[23:50] <lotia> for being kind to pi noobs
[23:52] <[SLB]> :)
[23:52] <Benighted> lotia great - so glad you were able to sort it out. Enjoy!
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[23:58] <lotia> will be trying arm and fedora on my pi too
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[23:59] <des2> fedora ?!

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