#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-21

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[0:00] <nze> g'evening, is it possible to display hardware accelerated video playback remotely (ie. over ssh or vnc) ?
[0:00] <des2> out that at the bottom of your list.
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[0:02] <lotia> des2: not a good experience on the pi or are you not a fan of the RPM based family of distros?
[0:03] <lotia> des2: I ask because I've had a good experience with it on my sheevaplug.
[0:04] <cerjam> RPM sux
[0:05] <[SLB]> fedora 17 seems to be actually fine despite the experience with the early f14 for the raspi
[0:06] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:06] <zontar> rpm is the part of the linux standard base :p
[0:06] <[SLB]> i have fedora on desktop but raspbian on the pi
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[0:07] <zontar> rpm isn't as bad as it was in the redhat days
[0:07] <zontar> dependencydependencydependencydependency
[0:08] <des2> lotia I am under the impression Fedora is behind the others and doesn't support hardware floating point yey.
[0:08] <des2> yet.
[0:08] <[SLB]> it supports hf
[0:09] <lotia> i generally prefer debian package management, but would like to experiment with it.
[0:09] <lotia> they do have more shiny things in the distro by default e.g. systemd
[0:10] <des2> If that is true perhaps someone would update: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[0:10] <lotia> at least on ix86 and x86_64
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[0:12] <[SLB]> fedora remix is f14
[0:12] <Ademan> sraue: awesome, thank you!
[0:13] <[SLB]> i think, at least so they said in the fedora channel
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[0:13] <Ademan> those ought to be on the wiki, adding
[0:15] <Ademan> lol database error when trying to create a wiki account
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[0:18] <linuxstb> sraue: You could write a clever resizing script which is run on first boot, similar to raspbian.
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[0:19] * Ademan didn't realize raspbian resizes itself
[0:20] <linuxstb> Ademan: Not quite automatically, you need to tell it to in raspi-config
[0:20] <linuxstb> And then (IIRC), it does it after the next boot.
[0:20] <Leestons> linuxstb: Correct
[0:21] <Ademan> Ah, still nifty
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[0:22] <Leestons> It's great how easy it is
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[0:24] <sraue> linuxstb, this needs some magic to be 10000000% we change partitions the user want to be changed to not loose data... its a bit to much risk for me to provide something to many ten thousend users (including our non RPi users)
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[0:26] <sraue> also OpenELEC will be installed one time per system, takes a few minutes only... then you dont must care about this anymore... you never need a reinstall if i have done my work good enough
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[0:29] <bircoe> big fan of how OpenELEC is setup... just wish it would work on my ATOM ITX board...
[0:29] <sraue> bircoe, what for a atom itx board?
[0:30] <Ademan> sraue: I don't see the build page you gave me (thanks!) here: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi and can't seem to create a wiki account at the moment, I think you should consider adding it to the links at the bottom.
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[0:30] <sraue> Ademan, i will do our wiki is broken actually :-(
[0:30] <bircoe> The Asrock listed on this page :) http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Unsupported_Hardware
[0:31] <Ademan> Haha well that explains why I can't create a user account
[0:31] <bircoe> I tried the Intel build, not yet tried the generic build
[0:31] <sraue> Ademan, http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi there is a link... but will add the link on the other page too
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[0:31] <bircoe> but i did try setting up ubuntu on this thing and getting hardware accelerated drivers working is quite difficult!
[0:31] <sraue> bircoe, with this intel 3650 GPU?
[0:32] <Ademan> sraue: ah, well at least it's out there, thanks again
[0:32] <bircoe> yeah
[0:32] <bircoe> theres a ppa with semi working drivers but the thing froze while trying to install them... either that or it was just taking a realllly long time!
[0:32] <sraue> bircoe, then you really have the wrong board, sorry... but there is no usefull driver actually
[0:32] <bircoe> :)
[0:32] <bircoe> I know
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[0:33] <bircoe> I'll just set it up as a headless server
[0:33] <bircoe> then try and find an ITX board for the Core i# I have sitting here spare
[0:33] <bircoe> 3
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[0:34] <bircoe> sraue, are you an OpenELEC dev?
[0:36] <sraue> Ademan, added the link
[0:37] <sraue> bircoe, check this: https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/commits/master :-)
[0:38] <sraue> or this: https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/graphs/contributors
[0:40] <bircoe> so yes then :)
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[0:41] <bircoe> maybe you cn help me work out why ssh never starts on my Pi's?
[0:43] <sraue> if you do a normal install it should be activated
[0:43] <sraue> or you do something manually?
[0:43] <bircoe> i do builds from source but install as per instructions
[0:43] <sraue> cmdline.txt should contain "ssh" in the kernel line
[0:43] <[SLB]> i did this to enable ssh http://www.slblabs.com/2012/08/16/rpi-ssh-ip/
[0:44] <bircoe> boot=/dev/mmcblk0p1 disk=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ssh quiet
[0:44] <sraue> also the second partition should be a linux filesystem
[0:44] <bircoe> let me check that
[0:44] <sraue> because the keys will be stored there and the right file permissions must be set, which is not possible with FAT&Co.
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[0:45] <SpeedEvil> Joliet
[0:47] <biberao> hi
[0:48] <bircoe> /dev/sdf1 * 2048 258047 128000 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[0:48] <bircoe> /dev/sdf2 258048 1980415 861184 83 Linux
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[0:49] <bircoe> there is an .ssh folder but its empty
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[0:50] <sraue> bircoe, try to remove this folder, and maybe do a fsck
[0:50] <bircoe> when attempting to ssh to it i get
[0:50] <bircoe> ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused
[0:50] <sraue> ah no it should be .cache/.ssh
[0:50] <des2> Do netstat -a on the PI
[0:51] <des2> see of there is anything running on the ssh port.
[0:51] <des2> Apparently there isn't.
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[0:51] <biberao> bircoe: did you configure sshd?
[0:51] <[SLB]> did you see my link
[0:51] <des2> Yeah see his link
[0:52] <biberao> me?
[0:52] <[SLB]> bircoe
[0:52] <biberao> ok
[0:52] <sraue> [SLB], this dont help with OpenELEC, OpenELEC is an embedded Linux and not based on Debian
[0:52] <[SLB]> is it a sysv based distro?
[0:53] <sraue> no
[0:54] <[SLB]> there must be a directory or a file that launches daemons at boot
[0:55] <sraue> yes, but it is launched, this is hardcoded and cant be changed, so the filesystem which stores the keys is no linux filesystem or the keysfiles are damaged
[0:55] <sraue> ^^^ i think
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[0:56] <bircoe> [SLB] the "system" is a single image file... not poking around
[0:56] <bircoe> not = no
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[0:57] <[SLB]> urm sorry then i have no experience about it
[0:57] <sraue> bircoe, check if you have .cache/.ssh on the second partition, and remove this dir if it exist
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[0:57] <bircoe> trying to get my flaky SD card reader going again!!!
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[0:58] <linuxstb> sraue: It's just that (unless I'm missing something, which I probably am), you need a Linux computer to install OE. I was only thinking of the Pi, not other platforms (we're in #raspberrypi !), and I don't like the lack of trusted images for OE (Pi users expect images!)
[0:59] <shiftplusone> There are always VMs, and there no real risk using other people's nightly builds (just bad practice).
[1:00] <shiftplusone> But yeah, people expect images and not everyone wants to use a VM just for that.
[1:00] <bircoe> it's only bad practise if they expect a production system out of the nightly builds
[1:00] <biberao> bircoe: if you are using a nightly build you're not the only one to complain
[1:01] <bircoe> I'm not complaining... askign a question, and there are no official OpenELEC builds for Raspberry Pi yet...
[1:02] <sraue> bircoe, there are official but development builds
[1:02] <biberao> bircoe: dont take me wrong
[1:02] <biberao> i meant you're not alone
[1:02] <bircoe> and this sd card reader is officialy screwed... i'll check the cache dir on my laptop
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[1:02] <shiftplusone> one of you, change your name, this is confusing. >_<
[1:02] <scummos> wooo
[1:02] <scummos> I finally successfully soldered my QFN-10 ADC :D
[1:02] <biberao> shiftplusone: toy change :p
[1:02] <bircoe> bad wording on my behalf sraue...
[1:03] <scummos> I somewhat burned the board but the ADC works
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[1:03] <shiftplusone> bah.... QFN >=/
[1:04] <scummos> :D
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[1:04] <scummos> it's 2.05 x 1.55 mm
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[1:04] <bircoe> sraue, deleted .cache, will try again now
[1:05] <shiftplusone> well, well done. what are you doing exactly?
[1:06] <shiftplusone> scummos, ^
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[1:09] <scummos> shiftplusone: enhancing my soldering skills, currently. then, building a network analyzer for 408MHz (which involves soldering QFN, and expensive parts); then, if that works, building a 408MHz LNA and testing it with the network analyzer; then, if that works, building more of them with antennas, which will eventually result in a working 408MHz interferometer array which I want to use for radio astronomy
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[1:10] <des2> Nice scummos.
[1:10] <shiftplusone> I don't know what most of that means, but it sounds awesome.
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[1:11] <shiftplusone> What are the applications?
[1:11] <scummos> shiftplusone: the final application is astronomy
[1:11] <shiftplusone> yeah, I meant within astronomy
[1:11] <scummos> the ultimate aim would be detecting a pulsar or so
[1:11] <monkeyhybrid> scummos, that sounds like a very cool project. any idea what sort of total cost that will all come to? just a ballpark figure? and will you share details once it's done? I'd love to see how you get on
[1:11] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: if I actually get something useful I'll sure write something about it.
[1:11] <shiftplusone> agrees... cool project indeed.
[1:12] <shiftplusone> *agreed
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[1:12] <des2> scummos has given up looking for intelligent life on earth and is searching elsewhere.
[1:12] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: I have no idea about the overall cost, but currently I'm aiming for like "below 30 euros per antenna"
[1:12] <scummos> I have no idea whether that is doable tough
[1:12] <scummos> des2: hahaha
[1:12] <monkeyhybrid> oh right, that's very affordable then! Sounds great
[1:12] <shiftplusone> You don't need a dish?
[1:12] <scummos> actually people told me "yeah we might detect ALIENS with that thing" is a great thing to put on your project's list if you're asking the government for money
[1:13] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: plus, a lot of testing equipment and stuff of course. but that will probably not be required as soon as development is done.
[1:13] <des2> There are some people using $10 DVB-TV dongles for radio astronomy.
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[1:13] <scummos> shiftplusone: no... the directivity *should* be achieved by semi-analog interferometry
[1:13] <scummos> des2: yes, I did something similar: http://files.feorar.org/radiotelescope.pdf
[1:14] <scummos> but I got bored with it and now I'm building something bigger
[1:14] <des2> ah
[1:14] <monkeyhybrid> yeah, I heard some of these DVB dongles had decent radio capabilities for weird kinda stuff. Stuff that usually costs bucket loads of cash for specialist hardware
[1:14] <scummos> that was very low-price indeed
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[1:14] <shiftplusone> Well, best of luck to you. I love astronomy and electronics (in a layman, seeing what other people are doing way).
[1:14] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: the best radio receivers available are the LNBs used for TV reception
[1:14] <scummos> shiftplusone: thank you very much, I'll need it indeed
[1:15] <scummos> I'm not much of an electronics person (I'm studying physics)
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[1:15] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: those are really wicked good, and they only cost like 5 bucks
[1:15] <shiftplusone> Is this a uni project or just for yourself?
[1:15] <scummos> just for myself...
[1:15] <cagedwisdom> I heard there is a power issue that prevents using the RPI as a wifi router, is that true?
[1:15] <shiftplusone> nice
[1:15] <shiftplusone> cagedwisdom, you might want to use a powered hub.
[1:16] <des2> not really cagedwisdom
[1:16] <linuxstb> Or a wifi router...
[1:16] <monkeyhybrid> if you get something going, please make sure to let Liz @ raspberrypi.org know about it and I'm sure she'll blog about it too. You could have the start of a new distributed astro survey project on the cards! :)
[1:16] <shiftplusone> linuxstb, where's the fun in that? >=/
[1:16] <cagedwisdom> *really want a wifi router* running a non embedded os, like debian or fedora
[1:16] <des2> Just get a revision 2 board and a goog ps
[1:16] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: okay, cool, will do -- that'll take quite a while tough. I don't really have much yet.
[1:16] <linuxstb> shiftplusone: Just being practical...
[1:16] <cagedwisdom> des2, can you elaborate?
[1:17] <cagedwisdom> what changed?
[1:17] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: I just built a delay line and I've been thinking about the antenna and amplifier design a bit
[1:17] <monkeyhybrid> well good luck scummos, sounds awesome. can't wait to here more :)
[1:17] <monkeyhybrid> bedtime for me now though... catch you another time
[1:17] <shiftplusone> linuxstb, you'll find a lot of folks around here just want to do thing "because they can", rather than for practical needs. Even if they don't realise it's impractical, many tend to ignore that until they realise it for themselves. =)
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[1:18] <scummos> monkeyhybrid: good night!
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[1:18] <scummos> http://i.imgur.com/X7xO0.jpg <- that's the ADC btw (yes the camera is crap)
[1:18] <linuxstb> cagedwisdom: I don't think performance will be great. I'm sure you can get hackable routers for the same (or less) than a Pi where you could install Debian - e.g. http://www.debwrt.net/
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[1:31] <bircoe> sraue, successafter reformatting the card i can now ssh into the Pi
[1:32] <sraue> great :-)
[1:32] <bircoe> perhaps the ssh keys were pooched because I had used this card in other pis
[1:32] <bircoe> Pi's?
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[1:37] <sraue> no... you can swap the cards, but sometimes the keyfiles are damaged for unknown reasons...
[1:38] <lotia> thanks much for all your help. i'm off to crash.
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[1:40] <bircoe> well thanks for that anyway... what mem split do you use for OpenELEC on 256mb Pi's?
[1:40] <des2> I could have sworn we said goodnight to him an hour ago.
[1:40] <sraue> bircoe, 128MB on both (256/512MB) for GPU
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[1:43] <biberao> anyone has tried mcp3008
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[1:43] <biberao> with rasp pi'
[1:44] <bircoe> thanks, I'd never tried the others, just always stuck with 128 and it seemed to work fine
[1:44] <bircoe> and by the way these new builds are getting silky smooth!
[1:45] <bircoe> even with the rss feed on
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[1:47] <biberao> bircoe: did you fix it?
[1:47] <bircoe> yup, sorted
[1:48] <bircoe> now copying config between Apple TV and Rasperry Pi via sftp
[1:48] <bircoe> love SSH!!!
[1:48] <biberao> what was wrong?
[1:48] <bircoe> bropken key files it seems
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[1:53] <biberao> ok byebye
[1:53] <biberao> take care
[1:54] <bircoe> enjoy
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[2:12] <[SLB]> gmail down?
[2:13] <bircoe> not for me
[2:13] <[SLB]> hm
[2:14] <s5fs> [SLB]: that happens to me sometimes too, just gotta wait it out (gmail/gapps)
[2:14] <[SLB]> thanks weird to me first time i think Error 337 (net::ERR_SPDY_PROTOCOL_ERROR): Unknown error.
[2:14] <[SLB]> will wait eheh
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[2:17] <bcgrown> is there a flac-->mp3 transcoder that would work better on the Pi than ffmpeg?
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[2:17] <bcgrown> ffmpeg is good once it gets going, but takes forever to start a stream
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[2:27] <bcgrown> hmm. seems the culprit is subsonic, not ffmpeg.
[2:29] <des2> maybe you need supersonic
[2:30] <bcgrown> funny you should say that. i was thinking about making an improved version and calling it supersonic.
[2:30] <bcgrown> only problem is i don't know how :)
[2:30] <des2> heh
[2:30] <bcgrown> i imagine a python backend would be faster than java on the pi?
[2:30] <des2> everybody doesn't know how until they learn
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[2:32] <bcgrown> indeed
[2:33] <bcgrown> i am attempting to learn python via coursera and not off to a good start. forgot to do the first assignment in time lol
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[2:34] <[SLB]> bcgrown, cs101 was a nice course
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[2:36] <bcgrown> [SLB]: i'll add it to my list. doing the Python one from Rice right now
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[2:37] <bcgrown> [SLB]: hmm on second thought CS101 sounds a bit too basic
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[2:38] <[SLB]> yes a bit basic, true, but ends in some nice structures
[2:38] <[SLB]> i liked cs387 the most
[2:38] <[SLB]> but also after the first iterations i had no more time do to any others
[2:39] <bircoe> just about to try this new bootloader... is loader.bin no longer required?
[2:39] <bcgrown> [SLB]: does cs387 have another name? doesn't show up for me in search
[2:40] <[SLB]> sorry 373
[2:40] <linuxstb> bircoe: No, not for a couple of versions.
[2:41] <[SLB]> it's the self driving car one
[2:42] <bcgrown> still can't find it. sounds too heavy for me anyway :)
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[2:44] <[SLB]> maybe too old eheh
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[2:55] <ebswift> wow, after 4 months of research i have solved why my wifi would not stay connected :(
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[2:56] <SpeedEvil> ?
[2:56] <SpeedEvil> you need an external hub?
[2:56] <ebswift> had external hub
[2:56] <ebswift> in the end it was voltage though... low voltage
[2:57] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[2:57] <ebswift> i tried all kinds of black magic
[2:57] <ebswift> dug to the depths of linux forums
[2:57] <ebswift> but there it was, sitting on around 4.6V
[2:58] <ebswift> i wonder how many people are getting intermittent problems with various stuff due to low voltage
[2:58] <ebswift> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[2:58] <rikkib> Lots from what I see here
[2:58] <Essobi> ALOT.
[2:58] <ebswift> should be the #1 place to look
[2:59] <Essobi> Cause people don't know wtf tp1/2 is for
[2:59] <Essobi> HERP.
[2:59] <ebswift> yup
[3:00] <ebswift> also, i just 'went with the flow' where a few places stated that 1A should be necessary for running wifi sticks and the like... 1A isn't nearly enough
[3:00] <rikkib> A 1.2A supply does it for me but I also have a dc-dc converter for R&D
[3:00] <Essobi> Depends on your wifi too.
[3:01] <ebswift> yeah, i don't have anything in-between 1A and 2A to try
[3:01] <ebswift> my 2A is a little high in voltage... 5.3V
[3:04] <SpeedEvil> 5.3 is fine
[3:05] * rikkib ponders the usb to rpi power cable, mint tin and other assorted parts sitting on the desk. Sooner or later its gonna get chopped.
[3:06] <bircoe> ebswift, I'd be more looking at your cable than the power supply... most cheap MicroUSB cables have conductors that are way too thin.
[3:06] <SpeedEvil> that too
[3:07] <ebswift> yeah, that's always possible... are there known cables that carry a higher amperage?
[3:07] <bircoe> generally cables that come with quality devices
[3:07] <bircoe> and the hot tip... Nexus 7 charger is an absolute winner!
[3:07] <bcgrown> ebswift: monoprice has some with 24AWG power conductors
[3:07] <ebswift> my moto atrix seemed to drive the voltage slightly higher, but not enough
[3:08] <ebswift> the er cable that is
[3:08] <bircoe> what voltage are you seeing at the pi?
[3:08] <ebswift> it was at about 4.64 or so i think
[3:08] <ebswift> now it is closer to 4.84
[3:08] <rikkib> This one says 28AWG/1P+24AWG/2C
[3:08] <ebswift> with the 2A supply
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[3:09] <[SLB]> i got same voltage results, using the htc cable i get 4.84 too
[3:09] <bircoe> I did a barrel jack mod on one of my Pi's and the voltage never goes below 5.04
[3:09] <ebswift> sitting on 4.90 right now, i think it varies if the wifi starts doing stuff
[3:09] <ebswift> interesting
[3:10] <bircoe> 5.16 light load, 5.04 during boot and stabilises at 5.10
[3:10] <bcgrown> rikkib: that would give you roughly 50mV drop per ft at 2A
[3:11] <rikkib> 850mm
[3:11] <rikkib> :)
[3:12] <bircoe> might have to build a cable testing rig i think...
[3:12] <rikkib> I am doing a break out box atm
[3:12] <rikkib> Got some poly fuses in the mail
[3:12] <rikkib> I am going to test both methods of powering the board
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[3:13] <rikkib> and gather other usb data on cameras hubs etc
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[3:13] <bcgrown> does the pi really draw 2A though?
[3:13] <rikkib> 700mA max supposedly
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[3:14] <rikkib> But don't rely on my memory
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[3:15] <rikkib> Also working on connecting my stm32v boards. They draw 800mA. ARM M3 Cortex
[3:16] <rikkib> DC-Dc converters I have do 2A and 3A max with heatsink
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[3:17] <rikkib> 450mA to drive 4 5v relays
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[3:20] <rikkib> What a horrible day in NZ... Rain, cold, wet, yucky.
[3:20] <BurtyB> rikkib, you sure you wasn't transported to the UK?
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[3:21] <rikkib> I hear about the weather over there.
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[3:21] <Ademan> So what's the deal with hardware decoding of MPEG-2 on OpenELEC ? I'm aware of the licenses being offered, but is there some sort of "lock" preventing me from just using the functionality?
[3:22] <Tachyon`> yeah, the chip just won't do it withotu the license afaik
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[3:23] * Tachyon` idly wonders why so many X apps seem to have no audio on the pi
[3:23] <bcgrown> rikkib: whatcha doing with the cortex?
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[3:24] <rikkib> Going to hook serial and spi to it. Idea being to us it as a controller
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[3:24] <Ademan> Tachyon`: ah that's annoying, not that I can't afford to pay a few bucks. How does one enable the functionality after receiving a license? That seems like something the OS needs to be aware of to use
[3:25] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure, they only seem to allow payment for them with paypal and I don't use it so haven't got mine, lol
[3:25] <rikkib> Issue commands on the serial pass data on the usb
[3:26] <Ademan> rikkib: controller for what?
[3:26] <rikkib> Security sort of stuff
[3:26] <ReggieUK> they give you a key and you put it in config.txt, when it boots the pi, it reads the config.txt for the codec licenses and enables them
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[3:27] <rikkib> STM32V has 320x240 touch screen and lots of ports
[3:27] <rikkib> CAN
[3:27] <rikkib> a/d
[3:27] <rikkib> timers
[3:27] <Ademan> ReggieUK: I assume that both raspbian and OpenELEC do this correctly?
[3:27] <ReggieUK> raspbian most certainly does
[3:27] <ReggieUK> but it's not a feature of the distro
[3:28] <ReggieUK> its a feature of the gpu/kernel
[3:28] <Ademan> Oh yeah when's the Ti Stellaris coming out? I ordered two (before I heard the shenannigans about forbidding GPL)
[3:28] <ReggieUK> and yeah, openelec will know what to do with it though once it's enabled
[3:28] <ReggieUK> xbian uses it
[3:28] <ReggieUK> and raspbmc too
[3:28] <ReggieUK> so I can't see any issue with openelec
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[3:29] <ReggieUK> I thought the stellaris was already out?
[3:30] <ReggieUK> I got a stm32F4-disco a few weeks ago
[3:30] <ReggieUK> haven't used it yet
[3:30] <ReggieUK> but it looks like an incredibly useful board
[3:30] <ReggieUK> and dirt cheap too
[3:30] <des2> No dirt cheap is TI's $4.99 stellaris launchpad.
[3:31] <des2> Be nice when they finally ship most of them
[3:31] <ReggieUK> no dirt cheap is a cortex-m4 + stm32F10 + acellerometer + audio codec for about $13
[3:32] <Ademan> the F4 has an accelerometer?
[3:32] <ReggieUK> it certainly does
[3:32] <des2> Yeah the Discovery is more featured than the launchpad.
[3:32] <ReggieUK> although I was more interested in the audio codec chip
[3:32] <ReggieUK> as it's i2s :)
[3:32] <ReggieUK> and the pi has i2s
[3:32] <Ademan> I was eyeing the F3 for the accelerometer, magnetometer and gyro
[3:32] <des2> Nice DtoA
[3:32] <ReggieUK> and the pi is missing a real analog audio codec :)
[3:32] <bcgrown> ReggieUK: ooh.. put me down for one when you make it work :)
[3:33] <rikkib> I have TMS320-P28016 board and don't know what to do with it. Sorted out the IDE, build test code, run it up and that is it.
[3:33] <ReggieUK> there is a ##stm32 channel on freenode :)
[3:35] <rikkib> Eclipse?
[3:36] <bcgrown> ReggieUK: heh. i don't want to do any of the work. i just want a proper audio DAC :)
[3:36] <rikkib> Anyone using
[3:36] <ReggieUK> I haven't taken mine out of the packet
[3:36] <Ademan> http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/254044.jsp Do any of the other boards match the sensors on this one? (gyro, acc, magnetometer)
[3:37] <rikkib> ReggieUK, You can ship off to me I will play with it. :)
[3:37] <Ademan> rikkib: Eclipse the IDE?
[3:37] <bcgrown> i suppose a USB dac would be a lot easier though. plenty of those around
[3:37] <bcgrown> i'm outta here. hockey time
[3:37] <rikkib> Eclipse open source ide
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[3:38] <Ademan> rikkib: what about it?
[3:38] <rikkib> Is anyone suing it?
[3:38] <rikkib> using
[3:38] <Ademan> Tons of people use it, I don't care much for it personally
[3:39] <rikkib> I do... for arm and ti
[3:40] <s5fs> rikkib: what are you using for pi?
[3:40] <rikkib> jtag for both all under linux.
[3:40] <rikkib> cross compile for RPi
[3:41] <s5fs> what toolchain?
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[3:41] <rikkib> But of course interested in the Rev2 jtag
[3:41] <rikkib> gcc
[3:41] <rikkib> built using crosstolls-ng
[3:42] <rikkib> tools
[3:42] <s5fs> cool, i'm using angstrom for beagleboards right now
[3:42] <s5fs> haven't started looking at the pi yet
[3:42] <s5fs> (been too busy with work)
[3:42] <rikkib> openosd
[3:43] <rikkib> open whatever that may be wrong
[3:43] <rikkib> IOpenOCD
[3:43] <rikkib> Uggg OpenOCD
[3:44] <s5fs> cool, i'm looking at it now
[3:45] <rikkib> There are different setups for the two different architectures meaning tow installs of eclipse
[3:47] <rikkib> Yet to use eclipse for RPi development
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[3:50] <s5fs> i'm not crazy about eclipse, i prefer netbeans (at least for java dev)
[3:53] <ReggieUK> I like gedit
[3:56] <rikkib> I did all my early java work in JEdit
[3:56] <rikkib> Have no done java for years
[4:01] <rikkib> The mint tin I am going to drill holes in is Eclipse brand. Little green tin 70mm x 40mm x 30mm
[4:01] <s5fs> too funny
[4:02] <rikkib> My fresh mint usb power break out
[4:02] <s5fs> i spent the last ~3mo doing heads-down java, before that it was about 2 solid years of c# and javascript. right now i'm writing almost exclusively javascript and expect to do so for the next 4mo, not sure what else.
[4:02] <rikkib> I saw someone else make a serial break out with similar tin
[4:03] <s5fs> my pi is just sitting on a table haphazardly, i need to figure out something more protective. i was thinking just a cardboard box.
[4:03] <des2> 'heads-down' java? Does that mean you are afraid to look at the javacode ?
[4:03] <s5fs> des2: haha, i guess to me it means 'really focused'
[4:04] <geordie> s5fs: lego (if you happen to have some around) works very well
[4:04] <des2> ah
[4:04] <s5fs> des2: goofy protocol work, odd bit-shifting, unreliable documentation, haha
[4:05] <s5fs> geordie: yeah that's a thought, i do have a bunch of stuff from a mindstorms kit
[4:05] <rikkib> I did 3 years writing the first location based server. Black box in car with gsp and gsm and brains. My server talked to bb over gsm then servered up maps from nt gis server in back end
[4:06] <rikkib> They came from far and wide. Nokia land yapan and yanks to
[4:07] <rikkib> Then they kicked me when they had a better offer (MS/HP/Local Telco)
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[4:08] <s5fs> that sounds like a fun project, sorry it didn't pan out well
[4:08] <rikkib> What I did on Linux did not migrate well to windows and the whole project fell over after spending 3 mill
[4:09] <rikkib> Was... Used hdlc as the underlying protocol and every done with blowfish
[4:10] <rikkib> This was in the early days of java and the framework that exists now did not.
[4:11] <s5fs> thats pretty hardcore work
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[4:12] <rikkib> I also did the cross debugging across the two platforms the other being the HC11 used in the black box
[4:12] <ebswift> well i just did the power barrel jack mod on the rpi, and i've now got plenty of voltage using the 1A supply running the USB hub with wifi as well :D
[4:13] <ebswift> thanks for the tip bircoe
[4:13] <s5fs> ebswift: very cool!
[4:13] <rikkib> power barrel jack mod?
[4:13] <ebswift> http://bircoe.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/raspberry-pi-power-barrel-jack-mod.html
[4:13] <rikkib> Will that term find it
[4:14] <rikkib> ahhh thanks
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[4:14] <ebswift> i split the barrel off so it could power the hub as well
[4:14] <ebswift> saves buying a new power supply
[4:15] <rikkib> Ausie :)
[4:15] <rikkib> Can't put that in front of a client
[4:18] <rikkib> Mini drill time
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[5:29] <atouk> quiet tonight
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[5:39] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[5:39] <shiftplusone> 'morning Mr. Turnip.
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[5:49] <heathkid> hello
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[5:55] <atouk> guess someone is alive in here
[5:59] <heathkid> I am
[5:59] <heathkid> alive
[5:59] <heathkid> for now
[6:00] <tripgod> what do you want?
[6:00] <heathkid> that's a reall odd question
[6:00] <des2> He wants a kit pony.
[6:01] <heathkid> world peace and end of hunger everywhere?
[6:01] <heathkid> better paying jobs
[6:01] <heathkid> $1/gallon gasoline
[6:02] <heathkid> and a wifi dongle that works reliably with the RPi
[6:02] <heathkid> :)
[6:03] <heathkid> des2: by that do you mean a late 60's Pony Car? like a 68' Shelby
[6:03] <atouk> the netgear n150 works good
[6:03] <heathkid> yeah... most of the ones that work good are as big as the RPi
[6:04] <heathkid> the little micro dongles are all realtek and just don't work for more than a day or three
[6:04] <heathkid> or six
[6:04] <heathkid> or a few hours
[6:04] <atouk> mines been on 24/7 for three weeks
[6:05] <heathkid> but I'd rather put an end to hunger and and have world peace....
[6:05] <heathkid> gotta have priorities
[6:05] <CelticTurnip> atouk does it run from the Pi, or do you need a powered hub?
[6:05] <atouk> pi
[6:05] <heathkid> same here
[6:05] <CelticTurnip> cheers, I'll order 1 now :)
[6:05] <atouk> running the ongle and a thumbdrive powered off the computer usb
[6:05] <heathkid> the realtek?
[6:06] <atouk> yup
[6:06] <heathkid> oh
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[6:06] <atouk> netger g54/n150
[6:06] <heathkid> I've got the wifi dongle plugged directly into the pi and running from a 5V@1A supply
[6:06] <heathkid> no hub
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[6:07] <heathkid> works... but is "iffy" at staying up for more than a couple weeks or a few hours or days.... depends...
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[6:07] <atouk> no issues with mine at all
[6:07] <heathkid> you said you were running it from a powered hub
[6:07] <atouk> maybe you're just further fom the router than i am and have signal issues
[6:07] <atouk> no
[6:08] <atouk> directly in the pi
[6:08] <heathkid> ok
[6:08] <atouk> that and the thumbdrive
[6:08] <heathkid> I'm less than 24" from the router
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[6:09] <heathkid> I doubt signal strength is an issue
[6:10] <atouk> maybe it just don't like you. have you thought about speaking to it in soothing tones?
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[6:13] <heathkid> threatening it with a hammer doesn't count?
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[6:14] <heathkid> no, I haven't done that
[6:14] <heathkid> but I did threaten to cross-section it to see what's wrong...
[6:15] <heathkid> maybe I shouldn't have done that
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[6:23] <heathkid> great article... http://www.sparkfun.com/news/963
[6:24] <heathkid> oh that's right... no one can get the processor that's on the pi
[6:24] <heathkid> so no worries.... it can't be coppied
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[6:37] <Ademan> When running raspbian, apt-get install pegs the CPU at 100%, what's up with that?
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[6:43] <uncola> my raspberry pi arrived ;D
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[6:45] <lunra> uncola: grats uncola :D
[6:46] <lunra> did you get a 512MB one?
[6:46] <uncola> now to setup openelec on it. yep 512mb
[6:46] <uncola> ordered from mcm electronics only a week ago.. they said it would arrive in november but it came really fast
[6:46] <lunra> One warning, connecting stuff via USB while it's on is known to cause resets
[6:47] <lunra> And resets can lead to SD corruption as I found out. But avoid that and all is great :)
[6:47] <uncola> oh ok
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[6:48] <uncola> I'm just hoping my power supply is gonna be the right voltage.. it says 5v 1A so it seems like that's right
[6:48] <[7]> yes
[6:48] <lunra> Should be right, but if you get random resets or something, find one with a higher amperage (A)
[6:49] <Ademan> Can I get a 512Mb pi in the US?
[6:49] <traviscline> Ademan: i ordered one yesterday
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[6:49] <Ademan> It was somewhat my understanding that the US distributor didn't stock them
[6:49] <asaru> uncola, they shipping from usa
[6:49] <asaru> ?
[6:50] <traviscline> i ordered from Newark/element14
[6:50] <uncola> asaru yes, it says it shipped from ohio
[6:50] <asaru> is your pi one of the made in uk ones?
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[6:53] <uncola> yes it is
[6:53] <uncola> says "Made in the UK" right on the pcb
[6:53] <uncola> the little box came in says "surprise, this raspberry pi has 512mb rasm"
[6:54] <Syliss> yay new (refurb) phone
[6:54] <uncola> I just put openelec on my sdcard.. now to try powering on the raspberry pi
[6:55] <des2> Try to order from Newawk/element14/mcmelectronics instead of RS/Allied for best results.
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[6:56] <des2> Farnell (parent of Newark/element14/mcm) is the one having PIs made in Sony's factory in the UK.
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[7:00] <uncola> woo i have openelec booted
[7:01] <uncola> ui seems a little laggy and keyboard keuys seem to repeat on their own
[7:01] <Syliss> sucky
[7:04] <Ademan> ui was laggy for me on openelec as well
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[7:06] <Syliss> I'm thinking of selling my pi and lap dock on ebay or something
[7:08] <des2> Why ?
[7:08] <advancednewbie> Anybody have a good source for an electrical project box (going to use DIN rails)? Something similar to this [http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SB1525-12-x15-x5-Electrical-Enclosure-Cabinet-Alarm-Locking-Box-Doom-Locker-Box-/261074139451?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc93b393b] would be nice.
[7:09] <des2> How does the word 'Doom' fit there ?
[7:09] <advancednewbie> lol
[7:09] <advancednewbie> No idea.
[7:09] <Syliss> cause i kinda want a n7 or the like tablet des2
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[7:50] <uncola> doh, I added the dirty regions settings to advancedsettings.xml and after rebooting the raspberry pi, openelec no longer opens up :(
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[7:50] <uncola> oh it did load, but it only appears on the screen if I hit a key on my keyboard.. otherwise it's blank
[7:50] <uncola> guess I can't uise dirty regions
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[7:59] <mrmoney2012> hi all - how do i configure a new install for 512mb RAM ? recommended image (raspbian hf?)
[7:59] <des2> you need thevery latest stuff.
[8:00] <mrmoney2012> is this in flux at the moment, i found a thread but don't seem to see definitive instructions
[8:00] <des2> It's very fluxy
[8:00] <mrmoney2012> fluxacious
[8:01] <mrmoney2012> maybe i should forget about my extra ram for a few days
[8:01] <des2> nah.
[8:01] <des2> There's a working splitter that I believe was released yesterday.
[8:03] <des2> Have you done apt-get update
[8:03] <des2> apt-get upgrade
[8:04] <des2> ?
[8:04] <des2> Assuming you have a raspbian installalready
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[8:09] <mrmoney2012> yes
[8:09] <mrmoney2012> new raspbian installed and apt updated.
[8:09] <des2> what's in your /boot directory ?
[8:09] <mrmoney2012> how do i activate the splitter
[8:10] <des2> and what mem split do you want ?
[8:10] <mrmoney2012> hold on - it's in the upstairs room and i'm looking after the little un' in kitchen
[8:10] <des2> ok
[8:10] <mrmoney2012> ssh to the rescue will just go and boot it.
[8:10] <uncola> any of you guys run xbmc or openelec on your raspberry pi? can you tell me your cpu usage in xbmc from settings/systeminfo?
[8:10] <uncola> mine is at 94% when not playing video..
[8:12] <des2> Do you use rpi-update mrmoney ?
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[8:12] <mrmoney2012> only used the config that came up at first boot
[8:12] <mrmoney2012> ncurses thingy
[8:13] <mrmoney2012> locales / timezones etc
[8:13] <mrmoney2012> just trying ssh to it for 1st time
[8:13] <des2> What .elf s do you have in /boot
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[8:13] <mrmoney2012> ooops - ping: sendto: Host is down
[8:13] <mrmoney2012> aha.. new pi
[8:14] <mrmoney2012> my IPs are fixed hosts allocated by mac address - will have changed. doh.
[8:14] <mrmoney2012> to the router.
[8:14] <des2> heh.
[8:14] <des2> in /boot there will be a file called start.elf
[8:15] <des2> and a bunch of armXXX_start.elf
[8:15] <mrmoney2012> arm128_start.elf arm224_start.elf bootcode.bin config.txt kernel_cutdown.img kernel.img start.elf
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[8:15] <mrmoney2012> arm192_start.elf arm240_start.elf cmdline.txt issue.txt kernel_emergency.img loader.bin
[8:15] <des2> Where XXX is the main memory. Copy the one you want to start.elf
[8:15] <des2> Yeah you don't have the larger splits.
[8:16] <mrmoney2012> yeah
[8:16] <mrmoney2012> and they've disappeared from the git repo
[8:16] <mrmoney2012> 3xx etc ?
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[8:17] <mrmoney2012> i was reading that they're not using this technique any more
[8:17] <des2> Do you have rpi-update ?
[8:17] <mrmoney2012> going to be controlled in config file
[8:17] <mrmoney2012> not installed it
[8:17] <mrmoney2012> yet
[8:18] <mrmoney2012> do this ? https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[8:18] <mrmoney2012> not sure that support the new memory though
[8:19] <mrmoney2012> updated 11 days ago
[8:20] <des2> wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
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[8:20] <des2> sudo apt-get install ca-certificates
[8:20] <des2> rpi-update
[8:21] <des2> It's an update program it does updates it's not the update itself.
[8:22] <mrmoney2012> thanks - but i don't think that's going to do it.
[8:22] <mrmoney2012> looks still like the old script. it's ok though i can wait
[8:23] <mrmoney2012> look at this line
[8:23] <mrmoney2012> for R in 128 192 224 240
[8:23] <mrmoney2012> only referring to the old splits
[8:23] <mrmoney2012> surely should see numbers higher than 240 for the new hardware
[8:24] <des2> Well install and as root run rpi-update
[8:24] <mrmoney2012> it's not going to work???.
[8:25] <mrmoney2012> i don't believe so anyway
[8:25] <mrmoney2012> anyone else know different ?
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[8:27] <des2> You did both:
[8:27] <des2> sudo apt-get update
[8:28] <des2> sudo apt-get upgrade
[8:28] <des2> right ?
[8:29] <mrmoney2012> yes. yesterday pm
[8:29] <mrmoney2012> i'll try again now
[8:29] <des2> do them again.
[8:29] <mrmoney2012> k
[8:29] <des2> Because it's fluxy.
[8:29] <mrmoney2012> fluxacious
[8:29] <des2> Look for arm496_start.elf in /boot
[8:30] <mrmoney2012> ok
[8:30] <des2> WHich is the highest split 496-16
[8:31] <mrmoney2012> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[8:31] <mrmoney2012> no 496
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[8:31] <mrmoney2012> anyways - thanks for looking. got to shoot off now so will have a look later
[8:31] <des2> ok
[8:31] <mrmoney2012> ta
[8:33] <uncola> anyone know how much power the raspberry pi uses? is it less than 1 watt?
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[8:33] <des2> About 500mA at 5v = 2.5W
[8:33] <des2> During average operation.
[8:34] <rymate1234> I use a 1A charger
[8:34] <rymate1234> I like my overhead
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[8:35] <geordie> where is the 512MB firmware?
[8:35] <uncola> yah I'm using a 5v 1A tiny charger that came with my galaxy nexus phone
[8:35] <uncola> seems to be working great
[8:35] <uncola> with openelec nightly
[8:35] <uncola> except the idle cpu usage is high for some reason
[8:36] <uncola> I guess I'll just update openelec every week to see if it gets fixed
[8:36] <uncola> 720p works perfect, 1080p stuff buffers once in a while
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[9:13] <fairuz_> Hi guys
[9:13] <fairuz_> Anyone tried to boot with 3.6.y branch kernel yet?
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[9:33] <rikkib> Slovakia & Croatia on 10 meters tonight
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[9:41] <Datalink> uncola, 700ma, try increasing your video memory slice if it continues to stutter
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[9:47] <manitou> morning pps ! 1Q. is all new RPI's with 512M ?
[9:48] <ebswift> seems that way manitou, that's what got shipped to me when i ordered
[9:48] <des2> yes all new ones are 512.
[9:49] <des2> (a few people in isolated countries seem to still be getting 256 ones)
[9:50] <ebswift> i can't upgrade the 512 with raspbian... i can with the 256 - with the 512 i'm left with a black screen - i had that with the 256 which was fixed with a bootcode.bin fix, but didn't fix the 512
[9:50] <manitou> des2: hmhm hope not here in denmark :)
[9:50] <ebswift> so the 512 is just kind of in limbo at the moment
[9:51] <des2> Odds are overwhelming that you'll get 512 if you haven't gotten yours yet.
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[9:57] <ebswift> i was pretty surprised though that my 'pi was delivered nearly overnight after ordering... comforting to know that you can grab one anytime now
[9:58] <des2> They are making about 80,000/month in the UK.
[9:59] <rikkib> Thay have not filtered down to NZ yet
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[10:00] <ebswift> wow, cool!... though I imagine that's the tip of the iceberg for demand... once kits and the like become common-place, that'll increase sales exponentially, as well as more schools and universities taking them up
[10:00] <ebswift> interestingly i was talking to people in engineering at the uni... they don't really know what to make of the raspberry pi
[10:01] <ebswift> rikkib, that's a shame, people over there would be wanting them
[10:04] <rikkib> I have two of the 256mb. Have two on order.
[10:05] <rikkib> Cross my fingers they will be 512
[10:05] <fairuz_> Hi guys, anyone can help with sshfs on rpi? I got connection reset by peer when trying to ssh to a folder on my host machine. Is this a permission issue or something else?
[10:06] <des2> do you get to ssh login ?
[10:06] <ebswift> i've got 2 x 256 and 1 x 512... i'm inclined to keep one of the 256's because i think it's from the first production run
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[10:07] <des2> And in 10 years you will auction it on ebay for 10x the price ?
[10:07] <ebswift> that's not what i have in mind... i just hate the thought of putting it to work when it's something special
[10:08] <ebswift> putting it to work and possibly working it to death
[10:08] <ebswift> i did the power barrel jack mod to the one from the second prod run, i wouldn't be inclined to do that to the first
[10:09] <ebswift> power barrel jack mod rocks!
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[10:11] <des2> Do you still have your first Intel 286 computer ?
[10:12] <fairuz_> des2: I managed to ssh login to my pi yes
[10:12] <ebswift> it wouldn't fit in a drawer like a raspberry pi ;)
[10:12] <fairuz_> Right now I want to sshfs from pi to the host
[10:12] <ebswift> bloke at work collects the bigger stuff
[10:13] <rikkib> I have small collection of old development boards
[10:14] <des2> Same login name and uid on the pi and the host ?
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[10:15] <Xark> rikkib: Custom boards?
[10:16] <rikkib> Freescale, Zilog and Philips stuff
[10:16] <Xark> rikkib: I see.
[10:16] <Xark> rikkib: What Philips stuff? 8051?
[10:17] <rikkib> Ericson blue tooth. TI DSP sort of stuff
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[10:17] <rikkib> Philips just small 8 bit stuff I think
[10:18] <niekniek> hello! i just installed raspbmc but my fonts go all weird, and then the cpu uses >80% cpu, audio etc doesn't work
[10:18] <niekniek> anyone else having this trouble?
[10:18] <rikkib> All part of the knowledge base
[10:18] <Xark> Ahh. I worked for Philips for a number of years on CD-i (using 68070 - lobotomized 68000 missing a 16-bit ALU from Signetics owned by Philips).
[10:19] <rikkib> Have followed micros since they came to being.
[10:19] <niekniek> google didn't help
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[10:20] <rikkib> First devel board was a RCA CDP1800
[10:20] <Xark> rikkib: I was pretty close. Playing with my friends in 1977 (who's dad owned an early micro company) and then getting my own in 1979 (woo-hoo, OSI-C1P with 4K of RAM).
[10:21] <fairuz_> des2: Nope. different login.
[10:21] <Xark> rikkib: I came very close to getting a Cosmac ELF. :)
[10:22] <rikkib> Ahhh cosmac
[10:22] <Xark> rikkib: But I really wanted an Apple ][ and the OSI was a bit closer (more like B&W VIC-20).
[10:22] <fairuz_> des2: It works now. Shame on me. My host don't have openssh-server installed. :)
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[10:22] <rikkib> I still have the book for the CDP1800... Thought I would keep it when I tossed the board
[10:23] <Xark> rikkib: I was reading the tech manual for it recently. Pretty strange architecture. :)
[10:24] <rikkib> I worked for AWA who were the RCA agents
[10:25] <rikkib> Before that the very early spacy industry
[10:25] * lunra has a working Commodore 64 with chips dated to '85
[10:25] <lunra> but I bought that only 8 or so years ago
[10:25] <niekniek> i have some msx computers lying around
[10:26] <Xark> lunra: Do you have a working disk drive? I have a dongle for a parallel port to make a PC look like a 1541 (but no PC's with parallel ports anymore).
[10:26] <rikkib> I used to collect gdp and other data and put in into a commodore 64
[10:26] <lunra> previous owner had piggybacked a turbo loader ROM onto the kernal chip and added a switch for chip select
[10:26] <lunra> great setup
[10:26] <lunra> Xark: Three :D.
[10:26] <lunra> 1x 1541 and 2x 1541-II
[10:27] <Xark> lunra: Cool. I worked on several games for C-64 (like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_Reality_(series) )
[10:27] <lunra> oh, that's awesome!
[10:28] <rikkib> How times have changed
[10:28] <Xark> lunra: You can download it for emulators (the copyright owner has even blessed it) -> http://www.roms-search.com/commodore-64/alternate-reality-dungeon-c64-download.html
[10:29] <Datalink> I need to build a C64 cart emulator some day...
[10:29] <lunra> Thanks Xark :D
[10:31] <Xark> Datalink: Like for software on physical C-64 cartridges?
[10:32] <Datalink> Xark, yeah, I wanna make an SD loader that doesn't just emulate a 1541, like so many do
[10:32] <ebswift> hey, i'm looking at using the DS18B20 for temp monitoring, are there any thoughts on sheaths? i want some good headroom for immersion and the ebay ones seem to have pretty short sheaths
[10:32] <Datalink> though I need to get my hands on a C64 still
[10:32] <ebswift> or is there another sheathed monitor i should be looking at?
[10:32] <Berry6510> C64 rules
[10:32] <bircoe> ebswift, glad you found the post useful :)
[10:33] <ebswift> it rocked bircoe :)
[10:33] <Xark> lunra: Hehe, it is pretty "old school". However, lots of videos on You Tube if you don't want to inflict the pain of old-school RPGs on yourself. :)
[10:33] <Berry6510> looking for real C64 drives?
[10:33] <Berry6510> best option is the Ultimate1541U2
[10:33] <Datalink> ebswift, http://adafruit.com/products/381?gclid=CMaM367ZkbMCFRBgMgod1BYAyQ long enough?
[10:33] <Xark> Datalink: Interesting.
[10:33] <bircoe> it makes a massive difference to the voltage drop... ie almost none!
[10:34] <Berry6510> Datalink: where are you at?
[10:34] <Datalink> Berry6510, the United States, Wisconsin
[10:34] <Berry6510> ah.. NTSC....
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[10:35] <ebswift> that's pretty similar to one i ordered Datalink, the ones i have been using have quite long probes, like around 230mm
[10:35] <Berry6510> PAL is much easier to get a C64 i think
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[10:35] <Datalink> ebswift, hm, not sure then, that was a first party supplier I know of for those...
[10:35] <ebswift> not looking for quite that long, but it's interesting how the analog probes are long while the digital ones are short
[10:35] <Datalink> Berry6510, yeah, europe kept more of them... I can scrounge em up, just the major support seems to be in europe
[10:36] <ebswift> Datalink, pretty much all options for that sensor are the same all over the place
[10:36] * Xark still has a Vic-20 (that hid in the Osborne I box), but no C-64 any more...
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[10:37] <ebswift> Xark, Vic20 was where it all began for me :)
[10:37] <Datalink> plus that prick who owns commodoreusa's pretty much been intent on abusing his license to the extreme, a friend of mine in the Ohio Amiga Club's pretty much used them as a profanity now
[10:37] <Xark> ebswift: Right on. :)
[10:37] <Datalink> ooh, $100 on ebay
[10:37] <Datalink> blast, that's a parts spare
[10:38] <manitou> niekniek: my first pc was toshiba MSX II ! nice one i still have it !
[10:38] <Berry6510> Datalink: i am organising a little SX64 party in January: http://t.co/npLPR2bp
[10:38] <niekniek> i don't have my first one anymore (msx 1), but i have some :)
[10:38] <Xark> manitou: Ahh, Z-80 with TI 9918 graphics (as used in TI and Coleco) and Yamaha sound.
[10:38] <Datalink> I need to see if I can fix up my Amiga1000
[10:39] <niekniek> xark: yeah
[10:39] <manitou> ZX 48 was best one !
[10:39] <niekniek> the openmsx emulator for arm works partly on raspberry
[10:39] <Datalink> Berry6510, a friend of mine has one of those, very cool lugable
[10:39] <Datalink> the SX64
[10:39] <niekniek> sound problems
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[10:39] <Xark> manitou: I used to play the pool game on the MSX at work with the crew at DataSoft (bogus physics, but lots of fun). :)
[10:39] <niekniek> causes segfault
[10:39] <bircoe> my first computer was one of these:
[10:39] <bircoe> http://ruscoe.org/photos/images/robotics-electronics/full/amstrad-pcw8256.jpg
[10:40] <niekniek> have contacted the developers
[10:40] <niekniek> but they don't have a pi
[10:40] <bircoe> my uncle donated it to us when he moved on from it!
[10:40] <manitou> Xark: yea fun all around !
[10:40] <manitou> and basic !
[10:40] <Berry6510> Datalink: can you tell him my party plans... low eco-footprint... so no flying, but organise one yourself with some friends in the neareast Buckstars
[10:41] <Datalink> Berry6510, he's probably in posession of the most C64s in this town, at more than 1
[10:41] <Datalink> small town
[10:41] <Xark> manitou: Without BASIC, I wouldn't have been pushed into learning assembly at an early age. :)
[10:41] <ebswift> i remember writing a text-to-speech program that could read back DATA statements to me (from copying magazine programs for the C64) so I could lay back in bed and check off the numbers to try and find bugs
[10:42] <manitou> Xark: yea , and just rememberwd "light pen " i got with MSX !
[10:42] <Xark> manitou: Oh yeah, I remember those. :)
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> BASIC is cool :)
[10:42] <Berry6510> is there a way to turn a pi into something that will last for more than 30 years?
[10:42] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I sometimes miss having it a "beep" away. :)
[10:42] <Berry6510> i stick to assembly
[10:43] <des2> Be nice if the PI lasts 3 years.
[10:43] <Berry6510> C64 is still widely using in the demo scene
[10:43] <ebswift> pi will be replaced by some tiny computer on a chip with wireless 'stuff'
[10:43] <Datalink> heh, http://bigfootinformatika.hu/65el02/ for those who wanna see a recently developed retro, I wanna make a C64 ROM work on this
[10:43] <bircoe> ebswift, I have another plan for a easier Raspberry Pi power mod, it involves cutting the MicroUSB end off a cable, keeping it super short (like 5cm max) and soldering one of those inline barrel jacks on that, maybe sell them on ebay :)
[10:44] <Berry6510> Datalink: you are also on IRCnet\#c-64?
[10:44] <Berry6510> Datalink: you are also on IRCnet\#amigascne?
[10:44] <Datalink> Berry6510, no... I'm not
[10:45] <ebswift> good idea bircoe... the other thing you could sell is a usb extension that has low loss... the two different brands i tried drop something like 0.4V (below the acceptable threshold)
[10:45] <rikkib> hahaha. Green monitor has a different meaning now days
[10:45] <ebswift> i have to run a power extension cable right up to the pi
[10:45] <des2> I hated the green.
[10:45] <des2> Blue is the best.
[10:45] <Datalink> Berry6510, that'd be someone else, I do so little with retros, I love em, but I have so little experience with them it's akin to none
[10:45] <des2> Amber was ok.
[10:46] <rikkib> I can remember playing Kings Quest on an orange monitor
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/rtb-armhf ; chmod +x rtb-armfh ; ./rtb-armhf
[10:46] <bircoe> might get some parts tomorrow and try it out, I'm pretty confident that with such a short cable even if the conductors are puny it shouldn't have voltage drop issues
[10:46] <Berry6510> Datalink: just start using them ;-)
[10:46] <Berry6510> later dude
[10:46] <Datalink> best use for an Apple ][e monitor... cmatrix while watching the first matrix (ex roommate had about 20 monitors at his apartment before we moved in together, we had the DVD, we watched it... CMatrix went on everything but the TV)
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[10:47] <Datalink> Berry6510, heh, yeah, I'd only be able to through emulators, I wanna find a 6502 core for my FPGA though
[10:47] <des2> THat's the worst thing about green crts, they made horrible TVs
[10:47] <Berry6510> Datalink: just have a peek at my blog if you have the time.... http://c64.berrydejager.com (Commodore only)
[10:47] <bircoe> ebswift, with the barrel jack mod I'm using a 5v supply that has a cable that's about 8ft and virtually no voltage drop
[10:47] <bircoe> it's all in the size of the cable
[10:48] <des2> You using 24 ga or 22 ?
[10:48] <ebswift> bircoe, perhaps an even better enterprising option for ebay is a case that incorporates a powered usb hub and your barrel jack fix... i'm looking at my setup and there's wires running everywhere
[10:48] <bircoe> USB cables that aren't intended for charging have stupid thin conductors as they are specced for 500ma max
[10:48] <ebswift> bircoe, i tried two different cables, they must both be crap
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[10:48] <bircoe> des2 it's probably closer to 16 or 18ga
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[10:49] <des2> 18 is pretty good (std lamp zip cord)
[10:50] <bircoe> can't tell without cutting it :) and i don't want to cut it :) but suffice to say it's pretty thick
[10:51] <Datalink> Berry6510, my personal eagle library has the cartridge edge connector, a friend of mine gave me a couple spare carts that where bad, and I took a calipers to them... I can design Carts
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> it's all gone quiet - does that mean you've all downloaded and run rtb ;-)
[10:52] <Xark> Berry6510: Fun stuff. I was there at the joystick booth at CES when the Amiga "monster" breadboard was demoing the bouncing ball behind closed curtains. :) Got to play with several prototype Amiga's and still have my pre-release developer A1000.
[10:52] <Berry6510> thats cool Xark
[10:52] <Datalink> Xark, very cool :D
[10:52] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, nope, compiling tvheadend to test out PVR in the newer XBMC builds :)
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> oh well..
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> who wants TV out when you can play with basc ;-)
[10:53] <Berry6510> next to the the new-skool Pi stuff we shouldnt forget about the retro legacy...
[10:53] <Xark> I still have a "pre-release' Amiga manual. It describes the video before they switched to RGB (it was QIY mode which was kind of a pain). Also the audio was quite different.
[10:53] <bircoe> i love legacy :)
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm doing boring stuff like migrate a few dozen virtual PBXs from one server to another ...
[10:54] <Xark> Berry6510: Pi is kind of retro on release. :)
[10:54] <bircoe> I have a cupboard full of old/vintage game consoles... going to start on old school computers soon, Apple ][e is high on my list!
[10:54] <des2> just cause the cpu si slow doesn't make it retro...
[10:55] <Xark> des2: It seems to draw the retro crowd. :)
[10:55] <uncola> I've only used openelec and raspbmc. I didnt' see any place to change the memory slice
[10:56] <bircoe> with OpenELEC and RaspBMC you'd have to do that manually...
[10:56] <des2> look in /boot
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I was never into consoles when younger... although I do fancy an old atari 2600 now they're cheap on ebay...
[10:56] <bircoe> old firmware = use appropriate elf file, new formware = gpu_mem line in config.txt
[10:56] <des2> for .elf s with dfferent splits
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I have my apple II and BBC B...
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[10:57] <des2> when did they switch from .elf to config.txt for the 512M ?
[10:57] <bircoe> a day or so ago
[10:57] <Datalink> Berry6510, my friend with the C64s has been trying to get a +4 online, the model he has is the harder to find +4 only power adaptor... know any easy way to make a round to square adaptor that doesn't involve cutting cables or resoldering the plug?
[10:57] <Datalink> des2, yesterday
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[10:57] <Datalink> the 20th, the updates went up
[10:57] <bircoe> and it's not just for 512's it's for 256's as well
[10:57] <des2> ok tx.
[10:57] <des2> That explained why we couldn't find the elfs earlier.
[10:58] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, I have about 5 2600's at the moment, 2 working the others for parts, and one is a 4 switch woody in absolutely mint condition, like it's almost never been used!
[10:58] <Berry6510> Datalink: i am not into 116-series of CBM
[10:58] <Datalink> Berry6510, aww
[10:58] <rikkib> That was a bit of nostalgia (rtb). I managed to remember a few commands.
[10:58] <ebswift> anyone know of a cheap usb controlled power point for 240v AU?
[10:59] <bircoe> i know of expensive ones :)
[10:59] <ebswift> it seems they're really cheap to make, but i'm not so keen on making one
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[10:59] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, heh.. if you look in http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/ you'll find lots of .rtb files - fetch then and run them :)
[11:00] <ebswift> the whole fire/electrocution thing
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[11:03] <Berry6510> Datalink: http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/schematics/computers/plus4/powersupply.gif
[11:03] <Berry6510> i think the problem is the plug itself
[11:03] <Berry6510> the availability
[11:04] <Datalink> Berry6510, yeah, I'm kinda thinking the same thing, which'd mean getting a C64 plug and soldering it in, but I'm personally of the mindset that that's not ideal...
[11:05] <Datalink> the plus 4 has board spots for both types, it's acutally very common for folks to C64 plug the +4
[11:05] <Datalink> miga switched to a 5 pin of a different pinout, something I did warn him about when he suggested chopping up an Amiga supply he has
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[11:09] <Berry6510> Xark: willing to sell the A1000?
[11:09] <Xark> Berry6510: Heh, no, I think I'll keep it at this point. :)
[11:09] <Berry6510> hehe
[11:10] <Xark> Berry6510: I dumpstered way too many systems a few years ago (regrettable).
[11:10] <Berry6510> i understand
[11:11] <fairuz_> Hi guys, is 3.6.y kernel functional? Or is there any known bugs/limitation.
[11:11] <Xark> I am down to like a half dozen classic systems.
[11:12] <Berry6510> Xark: less is more....
[11:13] <Berry6510> keeps the focus in better balance
[11:13] <des2> smaller is better.
[11:14] <des2> Its pretty new fairuz.
[11:15] <Xark> Berry6510: Perhaps, but I wish I had at least kept one Amiga RGB monitor. :) I do now have a 65C02 chip and plan on making a little classic system (with a MCU for I/O and video).
[11:16] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, the best 2600 I own : https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/4%20Switch%20Woody%20Small.jpg
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[11:16] <SRCR> Good morning.
[11:17] <SRCR> maybe a dumb question, but how do you build a new kernel (make Image, zImage, bzImage)
[11:17] <bircoe> compile the source :)
[11:18] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
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[11:19] <Xark> bircoe: My very first professional job was working on Atari 2600 games, but then the market died and they switched me to 400/800/5200 before I shipped anything. 2600 was a pretty challenging system so I was kind of relieved. :)
[11:20] <bircoe> LOL i've read about how it has it's challenges to code for :)
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[11:20] <bircoe> they're a lovely machine tho and some of the stuff that was done is just epic
[11:20] <Datalink> Xark, you'd hate my retro friend's stack of consoles
[11:20] <Xark> bircoe: Whenever you had a little bug (typically counting cycles) your screen would roll. :)
[11:21] <bircoe> like Berzerk with the synthesised speech
[11:21] <bircoe> Datalink, I've got a pretty good collection going myself :)
[11:21] <bircoe> at the moment I have too many Sega Megadrives and Master Systems
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[11:26] <Datalink> I need to pull my Genesis, Intellivision and NES up from the storeroom
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[11:29] * Xark was listening to some techno recently and heard mixed in the background the distinctive "stop the humanoid - the humanoid must not escape!" from Berzerk. :) Gotta love "evil otto"...
[11:30] <bircoe> evil otto has to be the best villan of all tim e:)
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[11:32] <Xark> bircoe: No doubt single-handedly responsible for ripping off millions of quarters. :) Also, I'm betting an example of "programmer art" that escaped into the wild...
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[11:33] <bircoe> and supposedly killing 2 people!
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[11:46] <Datalink> I just wanna show this to anyone who complains about the Pi's specs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prl6D7bqQo8&feature=share&list=ULPrl6D7bqQo8
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[11:52] <des2> And we had to program up hill both ways...
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[11:55] <Cookie`> that guy is way too excited about that thing
[11:55] <des2> He's that way about everything.
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[12:01] <mrmoney2012> hi all, followed tightvnc guide but can't connect to pi from my mac - any tips...
[12:02] <mrmoney2012> mac says Connection failed to ??? yet i'm sure that's the IP and I followed the guide
[12:02] <mrmoney2012> tightvnc process is running and listening
[12:02] <mrmoney2012> pretty much a default install and apt-get updated....
[12:03] <mrmoney2012> daft question - but i haven't actually run open box or s
[12:03] <mrmoney2012> 
[12:03] <des2> btw the memore split moved to a config file as of yesterday.
[12:03] <mrmoney2012> anything - do i need to fire up the GUI?
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[12:03] <mrmoney2012> des2: thanks for that - i read about it??? not sure how to configure it
[12:04] <des2> sudo raspi-config
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[12:04] <des2> or sudo rpi=config
[12:04] <des2> or sudo rpi-config
[12:04] <des2> rather
[12:05] <mrmoney2012> sudo: rpi-config: command not found
[12:05] <mrmoney2012> install it first right?
[12:05] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_raspi-config
[12:06] <des2> try: sudo raspi-config
[12:06] <mrmoney2012> works
[12:06] <mrmoney2012> no new memory split options in there though
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[12:07] <mrmoney2012> any ideas how to get vac working
[12:07] <mrmoney2012> err vac == vnc
[12:07] <[SLB]> you need rpi-update for that
[12:07] <des2> tightvnc is at port 1 ?
[12:07] <[SLB]> tightvncserver
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[12:07] <mrmoney2012> oh no
[12:07] <mrmoney2012> not that port.
[12:07] <mrmoney2012> standard
[12:07] <[SLB]> you can choose the port
[12:08] <mrmoney2012> works
[12:08] <mrmoney2012> thanks:-0
[12:08] <mrmoney2012> :-)
[12:08] <mrmoney2012> :5901
[12:08] <mrmoney2012> the secret sauce
[12:08] <mrmoney2012> brb
[12:08] <des2> Do the rpi-update
[12:08] <des2> I think you didn't do that last night.
[12:09] <des2> Then raspi-config may have the new splits.
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[12:09] <[SLB]> i think there's also a new config.txt setting so one can just set the gpu mem in there as a parameter
[12:10] <mrmoney2012> des - thanks - will that in a little bit
[12:10] <mrmoney2012> would be nice to get full power out of my 512'er :-)
[12:10] <mrmoney2012> 4th pi - 3 256, 1 512!
[12:11] <mrmoney2012> 2 media centres, openelec lounge and kitchen - 1 remote server at my Mum's house - and the 512 is work in progress.
[12:11] <des2> Documentation is lagging: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[12:11] <mrmoney2012> they make great remote servers, silent, tiny etc.
[12:11] <des2> One powers the blender in the kitchen ?
[12:12] <mrmoney2012> hehe - working on that
[12:12] <[SLB]> >
[12:12] <[SLB]> Now use start.elf and fixup.dat. Add config.txt paramater gpu_mem to select GPU mem and ARM gets the remainder. E.g. gpu_mem=64
[12:12] <[SLB]> Should handle 256M and 512M parts. The start_cd.elf and fixup_cd.dat will be used when gpu_mem=16.
[12:12] <[SLB]> loader.bin no longer needed.
[12:12] <[SLB]> Switch to compressed kernel images.
[12:12] <mrmoney2012> back in 10 mins
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[12:14] <mrmoney2012> think i might wait a bit for the extra memory stuff to be automagical
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[12:14] <[SLB]> as in?
[12:14] <mrmoney2012> apt get upgrade type of thing
[12:15] <mrmoney2012> or do you mean it works now just add gpu_mem=x to config.txt and I'm away ?
[12:15] <des2> yeah
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[12:15] <mrmoney2012> oh cool will try in a few mins..
[12:16] <mrmoney2012> i guess i need to see the files mixup and start_cd first - right ?
[12:16] <[SLB]> for sure it works copying the correct elf file over start.elf the old way, if you update the firmware you also get the new features, thing that you would do with rpi-update
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[12:26] <mrmoney2012> i don't see those files in /boot - start_cd.elf and fixup_cd.dat
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[12:29] <des2> did you run rpi-update ?
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[12:32] <mrmoney2012> yes??? will do again though
[12:32] <des2> too many ujpdates and config files and elfs and....
[12:32] <mrmoney2012> oops - maybe not sudo: rpi-update: command not found
[12:33] <mrmoney2012> getting confused - sorry
[12:33] <mrmoney2012> where do i get rpi-update
[12:33] <des2> wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[12:33] <des2> sudo apt-get install ca-certificates
[12:34] <des2> sudo rpi-update
[12:34] <mrmoney2012> ok
[12:34] <des2> do the first as root
[12:34] <des2> and the other 2 forget the sudo
[12:35] <mrmoney2012> ok
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[12:35] <mrmoney2012> doing.. sudo wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[12:36] <mrmoney2012> need root i think
[12:36] <des2> yeah do them all as root
[12:36] <des2> forget sudo
[12:36] <mrmoney2012> aha.. Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS??? cool
[12:36] <mrmoney2012> aha, needs a sudo apt-get install git-core
[12:36] <mrmoney2012> fine
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[12:42] <jui-feng> mrmoney2012, when it tells you to reboot, I'd recommend to check if all the required files are in the correct place. Not sure if rpi-update handles the new fixup files automatically.
[12:42] <mrmoney2012> ok. ta
[12:42] <mrmoney2012> Setting up firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[12:44] <Mike-N-Go> New ARM Arduino goes to sell tomorrow: http://hackaday.com/2012/10/20/the-arduino-due-is-finally-here/
[12:45] <Mike-N-Go> I look forward to seeing what it can do with a Pi.
[12:45] <des2> It can double the price.
[12:46] <saturation> about that 512Mb version, if I have cat /proc/cpuinfo Revision: 00004 is that automaticly 512MB?
[12:46] <Mike-N-Go> But the GPIO increases logarithmicly!
[12:46] <mrmoney2012> ok done - still don't see those files in /boot - start_cd.elf and fixup_cd.dat - or any new men splits
[12:47] <jui-feng> mrmoney2012, I think you can delete all the armxxx_start.elf files, then move start.elf and start_cd.elf from /root/.rpi-firmware/ to /boot.. and also copy the fixup files
[12:47] <[SLB]> what do you have in /bootthen
[12:47] <Mike-N-Go> saturation: You have to update.
[12:48] <jui-feng> then edit config.txt to specify gpu_mem=[whatever amount of mem you want the GPU to use, in mb]
[12:48] <des2> saturation look at the memory chip and see if it is a 2g or a 4g
[12:48] <[SLB]> */boot then
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[12:49] <jui-feng> mrmoney2012, all the files are in /root/.rpi-firmware now :) just copy them over to /boot
[12:49] <saturation> Mike-N-Go, des2 ok thanks
[12:49] <mrmoney2012> ah ok, trying
[12:49] <jui-feng> the rpi-update script apparently needs to be updated
[12:50] <jui-feng> it doesn't know about the new start.elf files and the fixup files
[12:50] <des2> Things are in flux....
[12:50] <Mike-N-Go> saturation: : First, double check if you do, in fact, have the 512 MB version. http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2191: Gertboard! And how to tell how much RAM your Pi has without turning it on.
[12:50] <Mike-N-Go> scroll to bottom of the post
[12:50] <saturation> it says samsung 222 /n K4P2G...
[12:51] <mrmoney2012> fluxation
[12:51] <saturation> I got mine like 5 days before annoucement :P
[12:51] <Mike-N-Go> the 2G/4G represents Gb.
[12:51] <jui-feng> mrmoney2012, oh, and you shouldn't copy the sub-directories in /root/.rpi-firmware to /boot
[12:51] <mrmoney2012> ok
[12:51] <saturation> too bad, but I think that 256 is enough for headless stuff.
[12:51] <Mike-N-Go> So, 2G = 256MB and 4G = 512MB.
[12:52] <Mike-N-Go> Yah, if you are running headless and non-video intensive, 256 is enough.
[12:52] <des2> make sure you have a 192/16 split
[12:52] <saturation> but anyways I am still having bad times with that 3g-modem, I don't know how to get that working..
[12:52] <Mike-N-Go> Just order another, and gift the old one when it arrives.
[12:52] <mrmoney2012> arm*.elf - gone
[12:53] <Mike-N-Go> saturation: What issues? USB dongle?
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> anyone here for a 512MB Pi to hand?
[12:53] <mrmoney2012> me
[12:54] <saturation> yea, USB dongle, machine recognizes the device and I can list it with lsusb, but I don't know what device it is under /dev/ ..
[12:54] <mrmoney2012> trying to get the thing to boot and recognise the new memory
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> If so, can you post the output of: grep Revision /proc/cpuinfo
[12:54] <saturation> I installed also usb_modeswitch and there should be also rule for nokia cs-17 3g modem, but no luck
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> Just had a post saying someone has one with the value 000f )-:
[12:54] <mrmoney2012> Revision : 0005
[12:55] <Mike-N-Go> I do not have a USB cellular modem, but you might want to look into an ethernet modem for your 3G card.
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, thanks.
[12:55] <saturation> if I get this working I will write a small tutorial for this in to the internets
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> saturation, ugh. usb modeswitch. A nasty hack needed because some makers of 3g modems were too cheap to include a hub in their design and they wanted to provide the driver/space too )-:
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> I had that with a Three dongle a while back.
[12:57] <saturation> ok, I wasn't familiar with reasons. til. :)
[12:57] <saturation> but anyways I got that working nicely under ubuntu a year ago, but now on raspberry pi with arch linux no go
[12:58] <saturation> by the way, is that hard floating point stuff a lot of faster than soft?
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> why arch rather than raspbian - raspbian/debian is closer to ubuntu, I'd have thought?
[12:59] <saturation> after ubuntu started using unity, I changed to arch linux and I am very happy user now, I am using currently very lightweight vm / system and I love it
[13:00] <saturation> ubuntu is a bit too bloated for me
[13:00] <saturation> and thats why I chose also arch linux for raspberry pi
[13:00] <lunra> as long as you're aware of kubuntu/lubuntu/xubuntu
[13:00] <saturation> sure
[13:00] <lunra> unity free :). But arch rules
[13:04] <Datalink> my first ubuntu task is installing and defaulting Gnome
[13:05] <des2> To arch linux the whole windows thing constitutes bloat.
[13:05] <saturation> I am using dwm
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[13:08] <Mike-N-Go> What is the max speed of the SD card slot on the Pi?
[13:08] <yofel_> gordonDrogon: here's one with your 000f ;) http://paste.kde.org/575960
[13:09] <saturation> Mike-N-Go: there is speed benchmarks in the wiki
[13:09] <Mike-N-Go> I've done some googling, yet to find it.. taking a look on the wiki!
[13:09] <saturation> if I remember right around 30Mb/s read/write for the best SD cards
[13:09] <yofel_> gordonDrogon: that's running raspbian with the 496 firmware from git
[13:09] <saturation> but for actual slot, dunno
[13:10] <saturation> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance Mike-N-Go here
[13:10] <Mike-N-Go> Thank you
[13:10] <saturation> aa I remembered it wrong, it was around 20MB/s
[13:10] <saturation> instead of 30MB/s
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[13:12] <Mike-N-Go> Looks like in most cases, 20MB/s is the celling.
[13:12] <saturation> yeah
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> yofel_, thanks. make a mockery of what the foundation have said regarding the way to detect rev 1 or 2 then.
[13:13] <yofel_> heh, the backside has a sticker that ends with 1.0, so I kinda assume I have a rev1 board
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> I use standard debian on all my desktop/laptops. Raspbian is debian for me on the Pi, so that's good.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> yofel_, huh?
[13:13] <Mike-N-Go> So, USB is 35 MB/s, yet would the question is would a USB HDD be faster, yet the problem is bus sharing.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> yofel_, does it have mounting holes?
[13:14] <des2> yofel if you don't have 2 mounting holes in the board it is rev 1.
[13:14] <yofel_> seem to be 2 holes
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> so it's a rev 2.
[13:15] <yofel_> er, now what o.O?
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[13:15] <des2> http://imgur.com/a/b6Gx0#0
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if they've cocked up in Shenzhen again.
[13:15] <mrmoney2012> how do i become root on raspbian?
[13:15] <saturation> Mike-N-Go: what do you need the speed for?
[13:15] <des2> rev 1 vs rev 2 comparison pic
[13:16] <Mike-N-Go> Theory. I don't currently have a pi. Waiting for my invite to come in..
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[13:16] <yofel_> rev2
[13:16] <yofel_> thanks for clearing that up :)
[13:16] <saturation> Mike-N-Go: you need some fast i/o you can use ramdisk
[13:17] <des2> Look at the memory chip and read the number on it. Is it xx2g or 4g
[13:17] <Mike-N-Go> Yah, I am aware of randisk/zram.
[13:17] <yofel_> des2: it's 512 so it's 4G
[13:18] <yofel_> I was just confused as I had heard there were rev1 512M boards out there
[13:18] <des2> so you got the most recent board.
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[13:18] <Mike-N-Go> yofel_: To find out what you have the 256/512 MB. http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2191: Gertboard! And how to tell how much RAM your Pi has without turning it on. The 2G/4G represents Gb. So, 2G = 256MB and 4G = 512MB.
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[13:18] <Mike-N-Go> Scroll to bottom of the post
[13:19] <yofel_> yeah, I knew I had 512, just not the board rev
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> So we have board revs of 5 and f for rev 2's 512MB.. Lovely!
[13:20] <Mike-N-Go> as far as I know, 512MB version (currently) has one board model.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> yofel_, I don't think there are "official" rev 1 512MB boards ...
[13:20] <des2> gordon there was apost discussing the 5 vs f (15)
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> oh?
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> *sigh* if only I had time to read *everything*
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> got a link to it?
[13:22] <des2> looking
[13:23] <Mike-N-Go> gordonDrogon: see http://www.raspberrypi.org.ro.ro
[13:23] <des2> The correct check for 512M part is:
[13:23] <mrmoney2012> for better or worse on this 512 pi i just did .. root@raspberrypi:/boot# cp /root/.rpi-firmware/* .
[13:23] <des2> (board_rev & 0xffffff) >= 10
[13:23] <des2> unfortunately one of the manufacturers didn't update their Top corrrectly and report 5. If you update to latest firmware we will correct that to 15.
[13:23] <mrmoney2012> and have removed the arm240 etc files...
[13:23] <mrmoney2012> will it reboot ok ? any more steps
[13:24] <des2> From: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20255&p=197174
[13:24] <mrmoney2012> des2: that was the thread i was looking or earlier - thanks for that, i lost it, bookmarked
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Mike-N-Go, thanks... er ...
[13:25] <fairuz_> The files in firmware git repo is not matched with the files that the Wiki said we need to copy. So in newer firmware, there's no more need for arm*.elf files?
[13:25] <Mike-N-Go> gordonDrogon: Anytime!
[13:25] <des2> right no more armxxx
[13:25] <des2> as of yesterday
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> des2, don't really care for 512MB - I only care for rev 1/rev2 GPIO changes )-:
[13:26] <fairuz_> des2: Oh. it's really recent then.
[13:26] <fairuz_> Just clone the tree today.
[13:26] <des2> yes things are in flux....
[13:26] <Datalink> fairuz_, wiki is currently out of date, they changed it on the 20th
[13:26] <des2> Documentation major lag
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> ok, so it's xxx2 for a rev 1 an danything else is rev 2.
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit messy. they could have used bit-fields for rev,mem, etc.
[13:27] <fairuz_> And why the wiki do this -> cp arch/arm/configs/bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig .config ? Why not just do make bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig
[13:28] <mrmoney2012> guess what? it works :-) Mem: 438M 50M 387M 0B 8.4M 24M, nice
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[13:29] <Mike-N-Go> Or try $free
[13:29] <mrmoney2012> Mem: 448996 115772 333224 0 12700 54640
[13:29] <Mike-N-Go> I am not sure if the package free is on the pi
[13:29] <mrmoney2012> that was previously free -h
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[13:31] <Mike-N-Go> Humn, my my x86 linux box, the 'free -h' does not work..
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[13:32] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, here's what I say to your little comment in the wiringPi makefile: make {test1,test2,speed,lcd,wfi,piface,gertboard,nes,delaytest,softPwm}
[13:32] <Mike-N-Go> ahh it is $free -m for megabytes
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[13:33] <Datalink> which failed at delaytest... I think I forgot to capitalize that
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, eh, oh, ok... er...
[13:33] <gazzwi86> how do I get to the config screen after installation>
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> well it was starting to take too long to make all the examples and no-one really wants to run them anyway.
[13:33] <Datalink> the 'you probably don't want to compile them all' bit
[13:33] <Datalink> I'm teasing, don't worry
[13:33] <Mike-N-Go> gazzwi86: We need more info to help.
[13:33] <Mike-N-Go> Like have you check the power and cable connectors, on all sides?
[13:34] <gazzwi86> The screen at the start when you first install your Pi, I need to update my config post installation. How can I do this? there is a cli command I was told
[13:35] <yofel_> gazzwi86: using which distro? on raspian just run 'sudo raspi-config'
[13:35] <yofel_> *raspbian
[13:35] <Mike-N-Go> What part of your configuration are you attempting to update? Or just bring up the installation options again?
[13:35] <[SLB]> raspi-config
[13:36] <Datalink> gazzwi86, sudo raspi-config
[13:36] <gazzwi86> yofel_ thats the one! Cheers!
[13:36] <Datalink> gazzwi86, though changing memory splits is in the process of changing.
[13:36] <gazzwi86> and Datalink!
[13:36] <gazzwi86> no i just want to boot in desktop mode now
[13:36] <gazzwi86> use lxde?
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[13:36] <gazzwi86> i think thats it name
[13:37] <Datalink> gazzwi86, ah, that's in the raspi-config, yes, it's lxde on the Pi
[13:37] <Mike-N-Go> gazzwi86: $setupcon might be what you want
[13:38] <gazzwi86> Mike-N-Go how is that used?
[13:38] <Mike-N-Go> With sudo
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[13:39] <Mike-N-Go> Man entry " setupcon - sets up the font and the keyboard on Linux console"
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[13:40] <niekniek> nice :) command line: vlc http://icy1.abacast.com/kplu-jazz24aac-64.m3u
[13:40] <Datalink> niekniek, I use it like that for audio, haven't tested for video yet, but I usually use the omxplayer
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[13:41] <Datalink> ooh, vlc's in the update list
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[13:42] <Mike-N-Go> gazzwi86: I still dunno what exactly you want, so I am throwing up hoping it sticks.
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[13:42] <niekniek> yeah :) should work with x, didn't test yet
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[13:43] <Datalink> niekniek, this streaming from your pi?
[13:44] <Datalink> or to?
[13:44] <niekniek> no, just using it as a client
[13:44] <mrmoney2012> any tips on pi activities for toddlers - a la tuxpaint
[13:44] <niekniek> i want to do all the video stuff without xmbc
[13:44] <Datalink> oh haha, noticed it was the launch after I said that
[13:44] <niekniek> and audio
[13:44] <niekniek> so i was happy this just worked
[13:45] <mrmoney2012> and also gcompris
[13:45] <niekniek> compiling freeswitch too overhere...
[13:45] <Datalink> niekniek, omxplayer http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8157 has info
[13:46] <Datalink> i had to change mplayer to omxplayer for my setup but that's detailed
[13:46] <Datalink> do run this after you install youtube-dl, so you have the current version: sudo youtube-dl -u
[13:47] <Datalink> I acutally need to make that a cron or something...
[13:47] <Datalink> correction pending, hang on
[13:47] <niekniek> nice
[13:47] <niekniek> but, do you have the omxplayer deb?
[13:48] <niekniek> the link is not working...
[13:48] <Datalink> youtube-dl -U
[13:48] <Datalink> uh... originally got it with raspbian preinstalled, later recompiled when I was having issues, so afraid not
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[13:50] <Datalink> yeah, pulled from git, compiled, I'm actually running a recompile... to smooth jazz...
[13:51] <Datalink> niekniek, I usually use: screen vlc http://thestream.url/file.m3u
[13:51] <niekniek> i can see why
[13:51] <niekniek> Datalink: do you have the omxplayer deb or a link to it?
[13:51] <Datalink> niekniek, I don't... isn't it in repro?
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[13:52] <niekniek> afaik no
[13:52] <Datalink> I really need to change my motd...
[13:52] <yofel_> omxplayer shows as available in wheezy/main for me
[13:53] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~ $ apt-cache search omxplayer
[13:53] <Datalink> omxplayer - Command line media player for Raspberry Pi
[13:54] <Datalink> off on a tangent, as someone who uses scifi ships as a naming convention... Spindrift, the ship from Land of the Giants just... fits the pi so well
[13:54] <niekniek> Datalink: what is your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[13:54] <niekniek> mine = deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian wheezy main contrib non-free
[13:55] <Datalink> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[13:55] <Datalink> add rpi
[13:57] <Datalink> heh, omxplayer must be in the rpi section
[13:58] <yofel_> apt-cache says it's in main, maybe his cache is out of date?
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[14:00] <Datalink> yofel, always apt-get update before running a cache search if it's older than a day, really
[14:01] <yofel> well, yeah, I know
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[14:03] <Datalink> hm, I'm showing it in main too
[14:03] <Datalink> niekniek, have you run: sudo apt-get update recently?
[14:04] <niekniek> very recent
[14:04] <niekniek> i added rpi, no omx in there
[14:04] <niekniek> werid
[14:04] <saturation> http://pastebin.com/hYuJ3Aqi
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[14:04] <saturation> yay it worked
[14:05] <niekniek> uname -a: Linux raspbmc 3.2.27 #1 PREEMPT Sat Oct 20 13:47:57 UTC 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[14:05] <saturation> but I don't know why?
[14:06] <Datalink> saturation, whatcha working on, hooking a phone up as a cellular modem for your pi?
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[14:10] <niekniek> Datalink: wget http://omxplayer.sconde.net/builds/omxplayer_0.2.3~git20121013~fb1b02d8_armhf.deb
[14:11] <Datalink> niekniek, that should work for ya
[14:11] <niekniek> guess you did that as well
[14:11] <niekniek> if you do a dpkg -l | grep omx now i get your line i guess :)
[14:12] <Datalink> I used RH for over 10 years, I'm too used to rpm and yum
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[14:14] <yofel> niekniek: it is in the archive though... http://paste.kde.org/576332
[14:15] <Datalink> yofel, the one he linked wasn't but can be installed with datalink@spindrift ~ $ sudo dpkg -i omxplayer_0.2.3~git20121013~fb1b02d8_armhf.deb
[14:16] <niekniek> yofel: i don't get it, maybe i should a dist-upgrade first or something...
[14:16] <Datalink> niekniek, never hurts to upgrade
[14:16] <niekniek> i have xmbc issues as well, doesn't work
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[14:16] <Datalink> mind you, in an old job I had, we kept our own repro so we could verify packages on test machines before pushing them to our main cluster
[14:17] <WhiteBreath> Lots of people here
[14:17] <Datalink> WhiteBreath, welcome, tends to be, yeah
[14:17] <WhiteBreath> Pretty insane amount
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[14:17] <uncola> do you guys who use the rpi as a media center prefer, openelec, raspbmc, or xbian?
[14:18] <WhiteBreath> I use it as a 3G router
[14:19] <Datalink> mine's a printserver and well abused set of GPIO pins
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[14:20] <niekniek> Datalink: yt gives me errors..
[14:20] <Datalink> I'm using a python youtube console based control script for my media use of my pi... so I'm not the one to ask, but usually I hear raspbmc discussed here
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[14:20] <Datalink> niekniek, did you edit the __init__.py script as specified? and what error?
[14:20] <WhiteBreath> Can I ask linux related questions here?
[14:20] <niekniek> sure
[14:20] <niekniek> line 322, in _show_message
[14:20] <niekniek> mw.addstr(1,1, truncate(s,winw-2).encode(self._code)
[14:20] <Datalink> WhiteBreath, sure, we're all using it, even if odd frontends
[14:20] <niekniek> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u2026' in position 18: ordinal not in range(128)
[14:21] <Datalink> niekniek, haven't seen that one, may be related to a specific video hit?
[14:21] <niekniek> maybe
[14:21] <niekniek> i ran this in ssh, that's what you do?
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[14:21] <WhiteBreath> I have some issues getting a wifi adapter to get to speeds higher than 64mbits.
[14:21] <Datalink> niekniek, yeah, the TV usually runs cmatrix or just the normal desktop
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[14:22] <Datalink> WhiteBreath, Linux and wifi are... a pain... I'm not good with them myself... still working on connecting from console myself
[14:22] <WhiteBreath> Hmm...
[14:23] <WhiteBreath> Well I got mine 3G router working with the usb wifi as an ap
[14:23] <WhiteBreath> Just curious as to why an N adapter couldn't go higher than 64mbits
[14:24] <Datalink> WhiteBreath, heh, nice, I'd have used my TPLink 793N for that
[14:24] <Datalink> I wouldn't have enough knowledge for that
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[14:25] <WhiteBreath> Oh well...
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[14:28] <Datalink> WhiteBreath, don't fret others might
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[14:29] <niekniek> weird?????????. if i do /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin the file itself reports file not found
[14:30] <niekniek> and which file is not found? usr/bin/omxplayer.bin
[14:30] <WhiteBreath> .....?
[14:31] <niekniek> this is the message: /usr/bin/omxplayer: line 22: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: No such file or directory
[14:32] <niekniek> error: -bash: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: No such file or directory
[14:32] <saturation> Datalink: atleast it made a node for it :)
[14:32] <WhiteBreath> So /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin doesn't exists
[14:32] <saturation> 3g modem
[14:33] <niekniek> ls /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin: /usr/bin/omxplayer.bin
[14:34] <Datalink> niekniek, odd
[14:34] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~ $ which omxplayer
[14:34] <Datalink> /usr/bin/omxplayer
[14:35] <WhiteBreath> cat /usr/bin/omxplayer
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[14:36] <WhiteBreath> It's a bash file
[14:36] <WhiteBreath> uh I mean script
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[14:37] <niekniek> i know, omxplayer.bin is the binary
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[14:37] <niekniek> which exists but the script can't find it
[14:37] <niekniek> pretty weird if you ask me :)
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[14:38] <Datalink> niekniek, yeah, odd
[14:39] <niekniek> even strace just says file not found...
[14:39] <Datalink> niekniek, that's odd, maybe reinstall it then, that's odd
[14:40] <niekniek> also weird: the files are owned by pi instead of root
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[14:41] <Datalink> niekniek, you did sudo the dpkg install, right?
[14:41] <niekniek> yeah
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[14:41] <niekniek> i eved logged in with root, and did it
[14:41] <niekniek> files still owned by ppi
[14:41] <niekniek> pi
[14:42] <Datalink> very odd
[14:42] <Datalink> I'd remove and reinstall... that's weird enough to reinstall as a fix... plus omxplayer's dead simple
[14:42] <niekniek> reinstalled 3 times...
[14:42] <niekniek> same error
[14:42] <WhiteBreath> SD Card corruption?
[14:43] <niekniek> and why is it not in my apt tree??
[14:43] <niekniek> not until now??? card is stable
[14:43] <WhiteBreath> Did you overclock?
[14:44] <niekniek> nope
[14:44] <niekniek> freeswitch is compiling without errors
[14:44] <WhiteBreath> Then it shouldn't be a problem
[14:44] <niekniek> right now
[14:44] <niekniek> but i'll do a disk check soon
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[14:46] <ReggieUK> hi
[14:46] <ReggieUK> meh, wrong window
[14:47] <[SLB]> hm C question, how do i get the name of the current program? for the pid i do getpid() i think there should be some function to get the basename too?
[14:47] <Datalink> niekniek, how old is your raspbian install?
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[14:48] <WhiteBreath> man getpid
[14:49] <[SLB]> it seems it can only give me the pid, not the basename, am i wrong?
[14:50] <WhiteBreath> Hmm...
[14:50] <Datalink> [SLB], unfortunately I only really do C on devices, not on OSes... so I don't have a basename
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[14:51] <[SLB]> hm
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[14:52] <[SLB]> i can do a system call to ps giving it the pid and parsing the output but it sounds too much trouble
[14:53] <niekniek> Datalink: raspbmc fresh install
[14:53] <niekniek> but will try a dist-upgrade later
[14:53] <niekniek> compiling first now
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[14:53] <niekniek> gotta go now, will be back later
[14:53] <niekniek> thanks!
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[14:57] <mrmoney2012> hi all - strange just had working GUI. rebooted and tried windows again and mouse and keyboard not responding. any ideas ?
[14:57] <mrmoney2012> keyboard worked fine to type startx
[14:57] <mrmoney2012> and machine is running as i see the graph in the bottom right moving
[14:57] <Kane> I have some thermal dissipator like this one: http://membres.multimania.fr/bofox/DSC00019.JPG did you think it can be interessting to put one on the SoC of the pi ?
[14:58] <scummos^> Kane: why would you do that?
[14:58] <mrmoney2012> mouse light is on...
[14:58] <Kane> because the SoC make heat Schabo ?
[14:58] <Kane> because the SoC make heat scummos^ ?*
[14:59] <mrmoney2012> power?
[14:59] <mrmoney2012> adapter is 5V 1amp
[14:59] <mrmoney2012> apple??? will try another usb cable
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[14:59] <scummos^> Kane: yes but it'll not get very hot as it is
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[15:00] <scummos^> so why would you want to cool it further
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[15:00] <Kane> i don't know if it can be interessting or not, this is why i asked scummos^
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[15:01] <Kane> actually i haven't play much with it so i don't know if it can be useful or not
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[15:02] <mrmoney2012> grrr??? keyboard stops responding after i start startx
[15:03] <scummos^> Kane: well if you don't know what you want to achieve by doing it, then don't do it :D
[15:03] <rymate1234> mrmoney2012, sounds like a power problem
[15:03] <rymate1234> whats the rating of your charger?
[15:03] <pepijndevos> Is there an ARM cross compiler for Mac?
[15:03] <mrmoney2012> 5V 1amp
[15:03] <mrmoney2012> apple iPhone charger
[15:03] <rymate1234> should be fine o.o
[15:03] <mrmoney2012> worked previously
[15:03] <Kane> ok scummos^, thanks for the answer ^^
[15:06] <pepijndevos> On Ubuntu there is arm-linux-gcc, but on Mac, not much so far. I assume something is hiding in here, because it can compile iPhone stuff.
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[15:06] <rymate1234> doesn't the iPhone use obj-c though
[15:06] <rymate1234> not c++/c
[15:06] <pepijndevos> yea, it does, still uses clang/gcc though
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[15:07] <pepijndevos> clang mostly
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[15:08] <rymate1234> *clang* - annnnd its rubbish!
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[15:09] <pepijndevos> rymate1234: ?
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[15:09] <rymate1234> it was a joke
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[15:09] <rymate1234> a rather bad one
[15:09] <rymate1234> ignore me
[15:10] * rymate1234 <--- android fan
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> anyone with a rev 2 board got 5 minutes to help me test a version of wiringPi ?
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[15:12] <Eliatrope> btw, is the 512M RAM version also called rev. 2?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> as I understant it, yes.
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> However it appears to have different board revision bits.
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> but it's 'rev 2' hardware platform (with the changed gpio's, etc.)
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> going to get myself a coffee, etc. but if anyon'es not at sunday lunch & has a rev 2 then I'd appreciate a quite test...
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> Guess I'll ultimately need to buy a rev 2 myself then...
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[15:33] <Mike-N-Go> Eliatrope: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929 "Upcoming board revision" that will help you find out some of the codes for what reversions.
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[15:34] <Mike-N-Go> Eliatrope: Sorry, I misunderstood your question.
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[15:40] <Tachyon`> anyone know where I might find the AROS Broadway X image? the site appears to have been down for some time
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[15:47] <mervaka> :) moved all my datalogging to tmpfs
[15:47] <mervaka> with 6 hourly writes to SD
[15:47] <Mike-N-Go> image as an a photo, or as in a disk?
[15:47] <Tachyon`> disk image
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[15:53] <WhiteBreath> Hope that tmpfs doesn't get full
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[16:08] <Datalink> yay, just finished building a fume extractor
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[16:09] <Datalink> mervaka, wouldn't happen to have a source of info on that, would you?
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[16:10] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I've gotta look into rev 2s myself... the footprint change's going to affect Pi'd Piper physically
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[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, pied piper?
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> well I've testes/simulated the latest wiringPi as much as I think I can...
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[16:14] <atouk> gordon, on the secondary connector you have two pins at 0v. are those gnd or n/c?
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[16:16] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, an IO board that should... in theory... control an MP3 program on the Pi.
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[16:17] <Datalink> it'll use the serial terminal (or a serial program which responds in the same fashion) to interface
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, sounds interesting!
[16:21] <saturation> do you know is there away to route ip over bluetooth?
[16:21] <saturation> or simple tty, ssh?
[16:21] <Datalink> saturation, you can set up a serial terminal or bluetooth networking, but I'm not the best at doing that in Linux
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[16:22] <saturation> thanks google "serial terminal" might be what I want
[16:23] <saturation> I want air gap raspberry pi from my network and connect only via bluetooth terminal etc.
[16:23] <saturation> I has it's own network interface separated from my reqular interface
[16:23] <saturation> regular*
[16:24] <Datalink> saturation, that should work then if you can set it up, but I've not set up bluetooth networking
[16:25] <saturation> yeah, have to try
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[16:25] <saturation> maybe I put up some live honey pot
[16:26] <steve_rox> fake wifi access point?
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> right. the sun is shining, there's meat in the fridge - time to light the bbq!
[16:27] <steve_rox> fun
[16:31] <saturation> steve_rox: nope, ssh with poor passwords etc.
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[16:32] <Mihaylov> Hello, does someone succesfuly compiled TIA? (http://www.pegasoft.ca/tia.html)
[16:32] <saturation> fake / open wifi would be used against good people too
[16:32] <saturation> Mihaylov: wow, looks neat, have to try
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[16:33] <Mihaylov> I cant get rid of "tiagcc.ads:106:08: "To255" is undefined"
[16:33] <saturation> Mihaylov: what is pros on that against vim/emacs + our own toolchain or agains complete ides?
[16:34] <saturation> there is no dep available, I presume that you use debian based system?
[16:34] <Mihaylov> yes
[16:35] <saturation> apparently no..
[16:35] <Mihaylov> You have the sources
[16:35] <Mihaylov> its coded with ADA so with gnat should be ok
[16:36] <saturation> yea
[16:36] <Mihaylov> But doesn??t work for me
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> it's heating up nicely...
[16:44] <Mihaylov> Is it possible to get sound input through GPIO?
[16:45] <saturation> what kind of sound?
[16:45] <Mihaylov> for example input from a guitar
[16:45] <saturation> basically yes
[16:45] <Mihaylov> wow
[16:46] <saturation> but I do think that, it would require a shitloads of work
[16:46] <Mihaylov> indeed
[16:46] <Mihaylov> but it could be a nice guitar efect pedal
[16:46] <saturation> buy some premade usb-guitar interface
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[16:47] <Mihaylov> its not as fun :P
[16:47] <saturation> buy maybe you could just change parameters via gio on some effect pedal/device?
[16:48] <Mihaylov> mmm
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[16:48] <biberao> hi
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[16:50] <saturation> I think that there is not enough power in cpu of raspberry pi for signal processing
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[16:56] <narcos> Hi all. I've installed XMBC on my Pi. Any advice on getting a Edimax 7811UN WiFi dongle to work?
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[17:01] <steve_rox> mine just suddenly started working
[17:01] <steve_rox> i found a wifi manager in the repository
[17:01] <steve_rox> ive had more luck getting xmbc to connect to wifi than wheesy
[17:03] <steve_rox> narcos ^
[17:03] <steve_rox> brb..
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[17:15] <narcos> steve_rox: ta
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[17:24] <WhiteBreath> Wifi Manager?
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[17:50] <jbaanus> Is there any known bugs with raspbian and rtl8192cu wifi driver? It seems to slow down over time - currently the throughput is ~500KB/s but it can reach nice over 1.5MB/s. Connection speed is nice 72Mbit/s, but I can see very many dropped Rx packets.
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[18:12] <Orb> Hi all.
[18:13] <Mihaylov> Helllo
[18:15] <Datalink> yo
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> well another succesfull bbq :)
[18:23] <scummos^> BBQ soldering
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[18:27] <[SLB]> i bet someone here would use a torch to fire up their barbeque *giggles
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[18:29] <home> [SLB]: me maybe
[18:29] <scummos^> haha :D
[18:30] <scummos^> hey, how is that btw... I soldered this thing here with a frying pan and the board got all brown
[18:30] <scummos^> it's made from FR-4, and apparently that does not like being fried
[18:30] <scummos^> do I need to buy different boards?
[18:31] <[SLB]> you used corn oil not olive one? :3
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[18:32] <[SLB]> seriously, not sure
[18:32] <scummos^> (it was not exactly a pan, more like an aluminium plate)
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[18:32] <scummos^> I really don't know but this doesn't look right
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[18:33] <scummos^> I mean, it's not really damaged but it's all brown
[18:33] <scummos^> now where's that torch guy when one needs him
[18:33] <scummos^> :D
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[18:36] <[SLB]> ahah
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[18:38] <scummos^> wikipedia says FR-4 is not suitable for frying-pan soldering
[18:38] <[SLB]> maybe it's just the oxide thing on the bcp
[18:38] <scummos^> but what is suitable then
[18:38] <[SLB]> *pcb
[18:38] <scummos^> nah, it's burnt
[18:39] <scummos^> you can look through it, and it clearly got darker tourughly
[18:39] <[SLB]> oh :\
[18:39] <scummos^> (what a word... how does one spell it)
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[18:40] <scummos^> AC`97: you were the torch soldering guy, weren't you? what kind of PCB material did you use for that?
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> I've lit a BBQ with a plumbers blowtorch in the past. I've also injected gaseous O2 into a BBQ to help it along ...
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> however the one we have lights really well with just a couple of sawdust+wax firelighters.
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[18:54] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, http://spritesmods.com/?art=spitft&page=4 someone provided the skeliton for what I need to do
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[18:56] <scummos^> thermite is the optimal fire lighter
[18:56] <scummos^> it takes about 20 seconds to light a medium-sized campfire
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[18:56] <Datalink> magnesium pellet is a bit more portable
[18:56] <Smashcat> Hi, I'm a noob with the RPi, but have plenty of experience with C, C++, Java and some other languages. I want to write some apps for the RPi, and wondering what people are using as an IDE and toolchain. I'm using Windows 7 x64 here. I don't want to compile on the RPi as I assume it's very slow.
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> depends
[18:57] <scummos^> Smashcat: for custom apps it's not really slow
[18:57] <Smashcat> Should I use Python - does it get compiled?
[18:57] <scummos^> no python never gets compiled
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> it's not slow if you write the app yourself
[18:57] <scummos^> but it's still good for many things
[18:57] <Datalink> Smashcat, it's a standard Linux computer
[18:57] <scummos^> I compiled a lot of custom code on the pi already, it's quite usable.
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> it's slow for million line code bases, yea.
[18:58] <Shift_> Smashcat, scratchbox2 is my approach., but there are many options.
[18:58] <Smashcat> scummos^: I'll be uising OpenGL, for performance as there will be a lot of animation (although it's 2D, using software rendering will be too slow)
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[18:58] <scummos^> use QML :D
[18:58] * scummos^ found QML to be pretty great for 2D animation
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[18:59] <Datalink> if you'r compiling a kernel... that's always slow
[18:59] <sanone> [SkG], ru here?
[19:00] <scummos^> Smashcat: if your performance-critical code runs in opengl anyways the language does not really matter imo
[19:00] <Smashcat> I want to develop on the PC, not the RPi - ideally using an emulator/simulator before deploying to the RPi. But don't know what the options are (I do a lot of Android development, but use devices in debugging mode. Is this available on the RPi?)
[19:00] <scummos^> a python program running an opengl shader will be as fast as C or lolcode or fortran-77
[19:01] <scummos^> I don't really see why you want an emulator
[19:01] <Smashcat> scummos^: Well, not quite, the "glue" in between the OpenGL calls is still a factor to some extent
[19:01] <pepijndevos> What ARM version does arm-linux-gnueabihf compile for? How can I tell it to use ARm 5/6/7?
[19:01] <scummos^> deploying on the pi is as easy as "save file"
[19:01] <scummos^> Smashcat: yeah, but often that's not very relevant.
[19:02] <scummos^> especially not if you do animation in shaders or so
[19:02] <scummos^> ... or try QML :)
[19:02] <Smashcat> scummos^: Ok, so I assume I'll set up a samba share that both Windows and the RPi can access, so I can run code from the Pi after compilation.
[19:02] <scummos^> (I hope it runs on the pi?)
[19:02] <Shift_> scummos^, you've said QML enough times for me to try it.
[19:02] <scummos^> Smashcat: I personally mount the FS of the raspberry pi via WLAN/ssh.
[19:03] <scummos^> Smashcat: then I develop on my IDE on the PC, and I have a terminal emulator with ssh for compiling and testing directly on the pi.
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[19:03] <scummos^> Shift_: I said it like 2 times :D
[19:03] <scummos^> Shift_: but it's definitely worth trying
[19:03] <Shift_> I am easily persuaded
[19:03] <scummos^> Shift_: you need Qt >= 4.8.1 or so tough
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[19:03] <Datalink> pepijndevos, the Pi itself is an ARMv6 instructionset, the ARM11 chipset
[19:03] <Smashcat> scummos^: Hmm, are you using C or Python?
[19:04] <scummos^> Smashcat: both
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[19:04] <pepijndevos> Datalink: I'm crosscompiling
[19:04] <Shift_> btw, is it easy to write c functions and then use them from python?
[19:04] <Smashcat> scummos^: Ok thanks, I'll get something set up here and get started :)
[19:05] <sanone> pepijndevos, how is your setup for crosscompiling?
[19:05] <scummos^> Shift_: it's not very difficult, but it needs about 40 LOC or so for a simple function. you have to specify data types and stuff.
[19:05] <scummos^> for small projects the time you need setting up the cross compiler outweights the time you have to wait for the native one imo
[19:05] <scummos^> but it's an option, ofc :)
[19:05] <sanone> Smashcat, I heard a few good things about this from people who use windows for devopment: how
[19:06] <scummos^> Shift_: there's an example in the python docs
[19:06] <sanone> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[19:06] <pepijndevos> sanone: well. install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf, comile
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[19:06] <sanone> pepijndevos, and how do you handle third party packages?
[19:06] <fairuz_> scummos^: python based IDE?
[19:06] <scummos^> fairuz_: no, C++ IDE for writing python
[19:06] <pepijndevos> sanone: what third party packages?
[19:06] <Shift_> scummos^, thanks, found it.
[19:07] <Smashcat> sanone: Thanks for the link, I'll take a look now. I really prefer developing and compiling on the same device if possible, then deploying
[19:07] <sanone> Smashcat, I'm looking for about the same setup (although on Linux)
[19:07] <scummos^> Shift_: I found it to provide great speedup if you put like, 3 lines of your inner loop into C and use that
[19:07] <scummos^> Shift_: but also, try pypy if you care about performance :D
[19:07] <sanone> I'm using crosstool-ng (http://crosstool-ng.org/)
[19:08] <sanone> pepijndevos, for instance omxplayer depends on pcre and some boost libs
[19:08] <Smashcat> sanone: Yes, I've also considered dual booting to Linux, but I have everything set up in Windows here already, so prefer to just add another tool so I can switch easily without needing to reboot ;-)
[19:08] <sanone> Smashcat, and once you're used to VS the Linux tools require a little getting used to
[19:09] <pepijndevos> sanone: I don't handle that currently. I'll probably use crosstool. Just curious what arm version I'm compiling for
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[19:09] <sanone> pepijndevos, I'm using crosstool-ng currently but it lacks a few packages\
[19:09] <pepijndevos> sanone: Since no version is mentioned anywhere, I think it might be armv5
[19:09] <sanone> pepijndevos, and I'm unsure how to add those (right now I'm copying them over from raspbian)
[19:09] <Smashcat> sanone: I just use Eclipse mostly. I do use an IDE based on VS for microcontroller development, but it's almost always Eclipse here.
[19:10] <scummos^> I recommend kdevelop, it's clearly underrated
[19:10] <sanone> I'm really wondering how other people have their toolchain setup
[19:10] <scummos^> it doesn't really work on windows tough
[19:11] <sanone> on device compilation is not an option if you work with complex/huge libs (think ffmpeg)
[19:11] <sanone> so there should be a lot of people doing some form of crosscompilation
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[19:12] <sanone> but the details are still a bit fuzzy for me
[19:12] <scummos^> what's the problem with linking against ffmpeg on the pi?
[19:12] <scummos^> won't it be pretty fast?
[19:12] <scummos^> I mean you don't have to compile ffmpeg threr
[19:12] <sanone> ever tried to compile ffmpeg?
[19:12] <scummos^> e
[19:12] <scummos^> well you don't need to compile it
[19:12] <scummos^> you install ffmpeg-dev and that's it
[19:12] <sanone> what if for some reason I need to
[19:13] <scummos^> why would you need to compile ffmpeg
[19:13] <ReggieUK> then you're in for a long wait for your binary :)
[19:13] <scummos^> but yes, then you could still cross-compile it :)
[19:13] <sanone> ReggieUK, about 2.5 hours :)
[19:13] <sanone> scummos^, well and that's where the questions arise ^_^
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[19:14] <sanone> do you for instance have a crosscompile setup?
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[19:14] <scummos^> sanone: no
[19:14] <Smashcat> sanone: I'm investigating what people use in the makefile to target the pi - assume it's just ARM
[19:15] <scummos^> I use cmake
[19:15] <Mihaylov> http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,14132.0.html
[19:15] <scummos^> it does all this automatically
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[19:17] <adekto> hi, i got a problem with the pi booting, it loops between a color squire and the rasperypi logo with boot up text. what sude i do?
[19:17] <sanone> Mihaylov, thanks for the link.. do you happen to know if you can extend the sysroot with additional libs/headers?
[19:18] <Shift_> scummos^, wait, you have to use javascript to use qml? you can't just write everything in c++ for example with qml just for the interface?
[19:18] <scummos^> Shift_: you can write all the real code in C++, sure
[19:18] <Mihaylov> sanone you are welcome, mmm I dont know
[19:18] <scummos^> Shift_: but it'll be much more complicated than doing it in JS
[19:19] <Mihaylov> adekto do you have usb devices pluged in?
[19:19] <scummos^> Shift_: but if you need performance or flexibility -- you can always write any part you want in C++
[19:19] <adekto> yes my keybeord and mouse
[19:19] <scummos^> Shift_: but for animating the UI I would use JS
[19:20] <Mihaylov> adekto that was happening to me when I used usb devices that required more power like usb wifi dongle
[19:20] <adekto> ?
[19:20] <scummos^> Shift_: you're meant to code UI interaction stuff in JS (such as animation, displaying confirmation dialogs, ...) and the "real" stuff (heavy calculations, ...) in C++
[19:21] <scummos^> the C++ code then passes data to the JS engine which displays it nicely
[19:21] <Shift_> Either I fail at google, or there isn't much information out there on this.
[19:21] <adekto> wel i got a logitech wirles keybeord somewhere
[19:21] <scummos^> Shift_: http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativemodels.html#exposing-c-data-models-to-qml
[19:22] <scummos^> Shift_: but sadly you're right, QML is very new, and documentation is not that plenty yet
[19:22] <Shift_> thanks
[19:22] <scummos^> but what's there is quite good
[19:22] <Mihaylov> adekto is your power source at least 1A?
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[19:27] <adekto> yes its 1 a
[19:28] <adekto> also i think i fixed it with my wireles keybeord
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> hm. no excitement tonight then.
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> did anyone here see/make mike Cooks Pi Breakout board?
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I've pushed out that new wiringPi - lets hope it doesn't break too much!!!
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[19:58] <Smashcat> Anyone know if there's an ETA for the Android 4.0.3 port to the RPi? The demo video looked very impressive
[20:00] <fairuz_> whoa, I don't know they port Android to rPi. But how about user interaction? They use some sort of touch screen?
[20:00] <Smashcat> You can use a mouse, or touchscreen
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> who cares?
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> Is it just some fanboys dream, or might there actually be a use for it?
[20:01] <Smashcat> Seems very fast with the hardware acceleration enabled. Would save me a LOT of work rewriting code if I could run it on the RPi
[20:01] <Smashcat> There is a very real use for it for me
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> get a tablet then.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> it'll "just work".
[20:02] <Smashcat> I have 8 tablets here ;-)
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> but you can only use one at a time...
[20:03] <Smashcat> gordonDrogon: You obviously are not aware of why I need to use them. However, if it arrives and is usable, then I'll be buying a lot of RPis ;-)
[20:03] <Smashcat> gordonDrogon: This is for work, not for personal use
[20:03] <fairuz_> Smashcat: Something like Android farm?
[20:04] <Smashcat> fairuz: No, I do event installations for some major car manufacturers, and RPi's with Android, plus IO pins could replace a lot of hardware we already use.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> good luck with it then.
[20:06] <fairuz_> I'm a little skeptical about Android running on a ARM11
[20:06] <Smashcat> Have you seen the demo video?
[20:07] <fairuz_> Not yet, you have a link?
[20:07] <Smashcat> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1700
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[20:08] <fairuz_> Thanks, will take a look
[20:08] <saturation> looks neat
[20:08] <fairuz_> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.1-fairuz+ #1 PREEMPT Sun Oct 21 20:03:12 CEST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:08] <fairuz_> Trying 3.6 kernel. Looking good
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[20:09] <saturation> Smashcat: why you have 8 tablets? what rewrite? :)
[20:10] <Smashcat> Heh, I have to test apps on the hardware before release.
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[20:10] <saturation> some car manufacturers use android on cars?
[20:10] <Smashcat> saturation: I don't have to buy them myself, so I don't care ;-)
[20:10] <saturation> or will use?
[20:10] <fairuz_> I believe most of them use QNX right?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm guessing different versions + screen sizes?
[20:11] <saturation> Smashcat: is there any extra protection available?
[20:11] <Smashcat> saturation: No, I work on events - "experiential" stuff. Stuff people play with :)
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[20:12] <saturation> I really hope that I don't have to see an android os in any car anywhere near future :D
[20:12] <saturation> even I love android in my phone
[20:12] <saturation> but there is waaaay too much holes in it
[20:12] <fairuz_> saturation: :)
[20:12] <saturation> car + android + google play store == some bend metal :D
[20:13] <Smashcat> saturation: It's mostly car manufacturers (recently did stuff for BMW, Nissan, Volvo, Renault) Also did a show display thing for Samsung that's running in Oxford Street in London at the moment - for their Smart TV stuff.
[20:13] <Smashcat> *shop display
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> I wish we could go back to carburettors...
[20:14] <saturation> "lol, look ma what I can do with this car, I can ping my toaster and lock down your tyres!"
[20:14] <saturation> yeah
[20:14] <Smashcat> heh. I don't see Android runnin a car any time soon
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> my current car just has far too much in it. My wife needed to reboot hers once too when the gearbox locked up.
[20:15] <saturation> it is a good thing that selinyx arrives on 4.2 if I remember right
[20:15] <saturation> gordonDrogon: haha :)
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> the service place did a software upgrade on it...
[20:15] <Smashcat> BMW's are the worst - everything's hooked into the central CPU. I had to replace it (??900) to get the offside door lock working. Not impressed...
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> bonkers.
[20:15] <saturation> there was some neat security videos about ford or some other car manufacturer with had some remote exploit on their car
[20:16] <saturation> defcon, blackhat or some other..
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> I think there was one recently on BMWs too.
[20:16] <Smashcat> (personal note, BMW are the worst client ever)
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> the first infra-red key-fob I had only had a mere 4096 combinations...
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[20:17] <Smashcat> (and Mini are the most fun!)
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> Heh... We have Smart for 4's ... (yes, one each ;-)
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> buy one get one free ... almost..
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> but Mini are BMW...
[20:17] <saturation> I dont have car at all atm.
[20:17] <Smashcat> Yeah, that's the weird thing
[20:18] <saturation> just sold my oooold nissan primera :)
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> almost impossible to live where I am withou a car -ruralistan ...
[20:18] <Smashcat> They're both owned by the same company, but completely different "personalities"
[20:18] <saturation> where do you guys live? americas?
[20:18] * gordonDrogon nods.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the UK.
[20:18] <Smashcat> UK
[20:18] <saturation> aaa ok, not so far then
[20:18] <saturation> I live in Finland
[20:19] <saturation> btw. is my english bad or even worse? :)
[20:19] <Smashcat> No, didn't even realise it was a second language ;-)
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[20:19] <saturation> heehee :)
[20:19] <Smashcat> You write English a lot better than most UK youth
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[20:20] <achshar> hello
[20:20] <saturation> I use english way too little these days so it a bit rusty
[20:20] <saturation> hi hi achshar
[20:20] <achshar> I am new to raspberry, i had a question
[20:21] <achshar> can i connect to wifi from model b?
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[20:21] <scummos^> achshar: if you have a wifi device?
[20:21] <saturation> yeah as scummos^ said, if you have usb wifi device, you should be able to
[20:22] <achshar> scummos^: umm i have wifi router for home and i can use it onmy phone, but will raspbery be able to connect to it without any thing else?
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[20:22] <scummos^> the board does not have wifi, in case that was the question
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[20:22] <scummos^> achshar: no.
[20:22] <scummos^> you need a USB wifi dongle
[20:22] <achshar> oh, ok thanks!
[20:22] <scummos^> or use a LAN cable
[20:22] <achshar> I wanted to fix it in a switchboard
[20:22] <saturation> achshar: here you go: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
[20:22] <achshar> and hence need it to be wireless
[20:22] <achshar> saturation: that is very helpful, thanks!
[20:23] <saturation> np
[20:23] <scummos^> achshar: wireless always needs an antenna which is roughly 6 centimeters long at least
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[20:23] <scummos^> that would barely fit on the pi ;p
[20:23] <achshar> Also i am in India, and AFAIK there is voltage difference we use 220 volts here, so how does it work?
[20:24] <adekto> why is youtube not working
[20:24] <saturation> achshar: you need 5v adaptor for raspberry pi
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> achshar, same as everywhere else - you get an adapte that takes 220v to 5v.
[20:24] <achshar> hmm okz :)
[20:25] <achshar> and they ship internationally, right?
[20:25] <scummos^> achshar: if you have a notebook with power USB output, you can just plug it into the notebook for testing purposes
[20:25] <scummos^> yes
[20:25] <scummos^> but it usually takes a while :(
[20:25] <Smashcat> achshar: You can use one of the cheap little RNXV wireless modules. They just use the UART (I've used them on a lot of projects, very reliable and small) http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/wifi-module-xbee-footprint-p-829.html
[20:25] <saturation> it is same in here Finland, 240v. I use standard nokia charger with my raspi, but note that it should be able to output atleast 700mA
[20:26] <Smashcat> achshar: Only ??26, and easy to use ;-)
[20:26] <achshar> hmm yes i have a desktop and i guess that should do. thanks :)
[20:26] <scummos^> 26 pounds, mor ethan the pi :D
[20:26] <scummos^> achshar: don't forget to order a fitting USB cable tough
[20:26] <scummos^> in case you don't have one
[20:26] <achshar> I have micro usb to usb from my phone
[20:26] <Smashcat> scummos^: Yeah, but they can do a lot even by themselves (can read/write to pins, have their own TCP stack, RTC etc)
[20:27] <scummos^> Smashcat: yeah sure
[20:28] <achshar> ok last question, i am a web dev and want to make an interface via browser on my home network. Everything works but i am not able to confirm weather google chrome will work or not. If not then what other (mordern) browser would work?
[20:28] <Smashcat> scummos^: They're also 3.3v, so ideal for RPi. A lot of those wireless devices are 5v
[20:29] <achshar> if i can make chrome work, it will do wonders for me
[20:29] <Smashcat> achshar: Chrome (or chromium) does work. It's slow though
[20:29] <achshar> Smashcat: great news! Thanks!
[20:30] <Smashcat> np ;-)
[20:30] <scummos^> Smashcat: I think if I wanted one I'd attempt to build one myself, haha
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[20:30] <achshar> alright thanks for help everyone, that's it for now :)
[20:30] <Smashcat> scummos^: What, build a wireless adaptor from scratch?!
[20:30] <scummos^> Smashcat: yes, like most of my projects it probably wouldn't work but I would learn a lot
[20:30] <scummos^> Smashcat: actually, I think I got... most of the required parts here :D
[20:31] <scummos^> except for a suitable LO probably
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[20:32] <scummos^> oh the modulation looks complicated
[20:32] <Smashcat> scummos^: Heh, think that would be an involved project! I did write a full UART driver/IP/TCP stack in assembler over 20 years ago. Was fun being able to connect and use telnet with my own software. Buggy as hell though!
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[20:33] <scummos^> haha, cool
[20:33] <Smashcat> (that was back when using 56k modems to connect - heh)
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[21:11] <[SLB]> lol
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[21:31] <Benighted> hey all
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[22:00] <biberao> hi
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[22:00] <biberao> cant the raspberry take more than one sd card?
[22:01] <Shift_> Sure it can. Just not at the same time
[22:01] <Shift_> Unless you use a usb reader or something.
[22:03] <biberao> ah usb reader for me never works properly
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[22:05] <steve1965> good evening folks, I'm wondering what the current situation is with purchasing the gertboards.
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> if you want one, get it from Tandy by the sounds of it.
[22:08] <steve1965> I'm in the UK and the e14 site points to Farnell who 'no longer stock this item' - thank you gordonDrogon, I'll check the Tandy site.
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/kits/gertboard-deluxe-kit.html
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> although it says out of stock.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> that usually means they don't have the kits made up, but who knows.
[22:10] <BurtyB> tandy still exists! didn't know that heh
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[22:14] <gordonDrogon> it's a new Tandy.
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[22:15] <Vlad> :O tandy
[22:15] <Vlad> it might be a diffrent company but they're using the old logo
[22:15] <Vlad> awesome
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[22:17] <steve1965> they only have one multimeter, ??4, isn't that a bit cheap? or is it actually 'inexpensive'. I've no idea really, just starting in the hobbyist electronics world at the ripe old age of 47. :)
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[22:18] <des2> The Cheap chinese multimeters are $4 US on ebay.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> steve1965, it's the going rate for an entry-level multimeter these days...
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> Vlad, fro what I understand the people behind it bought the logo/name/etc. and are starting again.
[22:19] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, $4 for a multimeter just sounds wrong
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> I know, but ...
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> that's the reality of getting them by the cratefull..
[22:21] <Vlad> i'm sure as long as you're not using anything at mains voltage or above it's fine
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> it's got more functions than the ?9.99 multimeter I bought 12 years ago.
[22:22] <steve1965> My friend's son is 13, he's got a Pi and wants to learn to control things electronically (and learn python), as I'm a sys admin I've been volunteered. It's tangential to my interests anyway so here I am asking simplistic questions. Thank you for the help guys. :)
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I only know C and BASIC :)
[22:23] <des2> The very low end multimeters will tend not to last long.
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> des2, that's what I thought when I bought mine - it's still going strong!
[22:24] <[7]> I really like the mastech MS8217
[22:24] <des2> heh. And sometimes they do....
[22:24] <[7]> it's more like $40 than $4, but it's a fairly good one
[22:24] <steve1965> I offered to teach him C but another friend who is a teacher insists that C is too complex for an extremely bright 13 year old (I disagree but have been over-ruled), at least python is used in the real world.
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[22:25] <des2> btw, C is again on top the list of most used programming languages.
[22:25] <des2> I credit microcontrollers for that.
[22:26] <steve1965> maybe I'm not such a dinosaur after all :)
[22:26] <[SLB]> +1 for python it'll suit him
[22:26] <des2> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
[22:26] <des2> Python is the 'official' language of the Pi.
[22:26] <steve1965> indeed
[22:27] <biberao> isnt raspberry using processing?
[22:27] <biberao> steve1965: teach him python
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[22:27] <biberao> ;)
[22:27] <steve1965> but as it's Debian (I sending him a wheezy SD pre-installed) it's all written in C in reality.
[22:27] <des2> I see 'Sketch' (very simple language designed for kids) is becoming populat also.
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[22:28] <biberao> des2: or scratch
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> scratch?
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[22:28] <biberao> gordonDrogon: yup
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> it's limiting I'm told.. but might be an introduction.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> then again, I had a 10 years old come u pto my Pi and start to type in some BASIC a month or so ago..
[22:28] <des2> Yes thanks, I meant Scratch.
[22:29] <biberao> gordonDrogon: what for?
[22:29] <biberao> basic is old
[22:29] <biberao> :P
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> yes, and still going strong.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> this kid has a Dragon 32 in his bedroom.
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[22:29] <biberao> for me nope
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> so he knows basic..
[22:29] <biberao> whats a dragon 32?
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> it's a 30 year old home computer..
[22:29] <steve1965> I've had an intro to scratch, my workplace have decided I need an B.Sc in Computing, the intro was used scratch, I would never subject anyone to it.
[22:29] <home> gordonDrogon: No its not
[22:30] <biberao> that didnt get here gordonDrogon
[22:30] <home> gordonDrogon: I kid....it is pretty old
[22:30] <biberao> i had a spectrum
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> 31 year old then?
[22:30] <Essobi> :D
[22:30] <biberao> steve1965: teach me C
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> Release date August 1982
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_32/64
[22:30] <biberao> my spectrum was older
[22:30] <biberao> :p
[22:31] <biberao> i wasnt even born when my dad acquired a spectrum
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> My apple II is older, but my Beeb is slightly younger.
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> I started with basic.
[22:31] <des2> "The Dragon comes with a Microsoft BASIC interpreter in 16 KB of ROM."
[22:31] <Essobi> w00t
[22:31] <steve1965> @biberao do you have the Kernaghen and Ritchie book
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> and I decided to write my own basic interpreter recently too.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> just for fun...
[22:32] <biberao> steve1965: ya
[22:32] * yofel is only 25 and finds the discussion rather fascinating ;)
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> yofel, don't listen to us oldies ;-)
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> invent something new..
[22:32] <yofel> the most basic piece of computer I have is a casio 9850GB plus-g that saved me from being bored in school ;P
[22:32] <des2> I think basic is still so popular because it is so easy to write an interpreter for it.
[22:32] <yofel> pretty nice calculator actually
[22:32] <des2> Especially if you require line numbers.
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> my basic doesn't need line numbers.
[22:33] <steve1965> I can't get over the price of the Texas Instrument calculators, they haven't come down at all. It's quite surprising actually.
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> unless you want to use goto/gosub statements. (or restore with a line number)
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[22:33] <biberao> goto rocks
[22:33] <Essobi> Where we're going... We don't NEED line numbers. :D
[22:33] <des2> Or a computed goto...
[22:33] <Essobi> Heh.
[22:33] <yofel> labels are usually enough for goto, and not much harder to implement than line numbers
[22:34] <biberao> ive used goto in pascal
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> no computed goto in RTB - there is switch statement though..
[22:34] <[SLB]> when i learnt basic i never used line numbers
[22:34] <[SLB]> labels yes though
[22:35] <des2> Then you never had the joy of the ren (renumber) command.
[22:35] <[SLB]> most likely not eheh
[22:36] * yofel hasn't
[22:36] <biberao> you are so old
[22:36] <biberao> .P
[22:36] <biberao> im young
[22:36] <biberao> lol
[22:36] <steve1965> @biberao this course has a *really* good reputation and is very active with lots of volunteers: http://www.computerscienceforeveryone.com/
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb1.png
[22:37] <des2> Basic is most useful because you can learn a lot writing a basic interpreter.
[22:37] <biberao> i forgot
[22:37] <biberao> processing is for arduino
[22:37] <biberao> thanks steve1965
[22:37] <steve1965> de nada
[22:37] <biberao> des2: write a C++ compile
[22:37] <biberao> steve1965: obrigado
[22:37] <biberao> .p
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> my BASIC is writtne in C.
[22:37] <biberao> *compiler
[22:38] <biberao> ya but basic is easier when compared to C or C++
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> it's different.
[22:39] <des2> One thing that makes basic popular is that it usually intrepreted.
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> I'd never even try to write a C/c++ compiler.
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[22:39] <steve1965> I think de2 hit the nail on the head for me teaching my young friend though, python *is* the official Pi language (and he has a
[22:39] <steve1965> Raspberry Pi
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[22:39] <biberao> gordonDrogon: the parser is quite complicated
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> is it official? Not sure Eben said that last night - I think it was their initial aim, but feel that's sort of slipped now...
[22:40] <biberao> i have to go seeya later
[22:40] <biberao> steve1965: i did say python
[22:40] <biberao> :P
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> biberao, for a C compiler? yea, but it's pretty well defined these days.
[22:40] <biberao> have to go then
[22:40] <biberao> seeya
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> my basic tokeniser is somewhat creative - I feel it's the weakest part of it all.
[22:41] <des2> And fedora was the 'official' port.....
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> and look what happened to that :)
[22:41] <steve1965> really? not debian?
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm glad that didn't make it though - I'e been using Debian forever..
[22:42] <steve1965> so much easier
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> steve1965, yea, they wanted fedora initially, but it was somewhat sub-optimal at the time...
[22:42] <steve1965> and has a true posix compliant shell unlike fedora
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> fedora mangled bash ?
[22:42] <steve1965> bash isn't posix compliant
[22:43] <steve1965> sh in Debian aliases to Dash which is
[22:43] <mythos> it isn't?
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> I used tcsh...
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> so what do I know :)
[22:43] <steve1965> in Red Hat sh aliases to bash
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[22:44] <steve1965> no mythos, lots of bashisms (e.g. process redirection) are not posix compliant
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[22:44] <steve1965> bash is great for login shells, less so for /bin/sh alias.
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[22:45] <mythos> steve1965, that's right. there are a lot bash-extensions. but pure posix-compilient scripts should also run with it
[22:46] <steve1965> tcsh, wow, by choice gordonDrogon. and yes, posix compliant scripts run in bash, the problem is writing posix compliant scripts (or knowing you've written such) when used to bash.
[22:47] * mythos googles tcsh
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> steve1965, yea, sort of been using it (or csh) for the past 25 years(ish)
[22:48] <steve1965> yeah, I get the inertia, I got into vi when I started and even though I know emacs has its uses... :)
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> I am trying to get used to bash though.
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[22:49] <gordonDrogon> so I'm sort of in a mix right now.
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[22:50] <steve1965> some of the younger guys at work are zsh this and zsh that, I've yet to be convinced (especially with a couple of AIX boxen and ksh in the mix).
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> in the middle of writing a screen editor for my basic and it's looking like nano ... although I use vi/vim ... Ho hum.
[22:51] <steve1965> re-inventing wheel or sharpening skillset?
[22:51] <des2> ha
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> for what? my editor?
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> right now I can edit basic program outside the interperter - I want a way inside it.
[22:52] <steve1965> so sharpening skillset and doing something useful :)
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> well editors are dull ... but neccessary.
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[22:53] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a nice one many moons ago, but I wasn't allowed to keep the source code )-:
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[22:53] <Draylor> lols
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[22:53] <Draylor> never could get my head around ksh properly
[22:53] <rombus> hello
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> rombus, you made it :)
[22:54] <Tu13es> can I run an arch linux VM on my mac, configure my OS and then move the card to the RPi once it's all set up?
[22:54] <Tu13es> i need to run the system headless so can't do the initial cnofig directly from the rpi
[22:54] <rombus> thx
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[22:57] <rombus> i am considering pi to be my server and also NAS. i have done a little searching for successful implementations of ZFS on the pi. i didn't find much and what i did find seemed significantly less than ideal. has anyone had any luck with a ZFS filesystem on the pi?
[22:58] <des2> Don't tun zfs on the pi.
[22:58] <des2> It's not fast enough and doesn't have enough memort.
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[22:58] <des2> memory
[22:58] <rombus> not even the new one?
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[22:59] <des2> And I say this as someone that has 2 zfs systems.
[22:59] <mythos> why would anyone want to use zfs on a pi?
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> 512MB for zfs? well possibly, but really ...
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> you're trusting your data to a $35 computer...
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[22:59] <rombus> mmm
[23:00] <yofel> btrfs could probably operate under such conditions, but that's probably an even worse choice if you value your data
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> biggest issue is the single US bus. That's the real bottleneck - getting data ove rthat to/from the media and the network at the same time ...
[23:01] <mythos> gordonDrogon, that's not really the point. the point is, that the pi can access larger storage only over usb (or over network, which is in fact the same). the simple fact is, that the raspi is not able to handle large storage, where zfs would be needed
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> mythos, why are you telling me that? I know that..
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[23:03] <mythos> gordonDrogon, it wasn't intended to be a lecture for you. you were only the last
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm not daft/brave enough to trust my data & backups to a Pi.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> it makes a nice little caching media server though.
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> that's not to say it can't be run as a NAS - I know people doing it, but it's not something I fancy doing myself.
[23:05] <rombus> can you run pi's in such a configurations so that if 1 failsover to the other?
[23:05] <rombus> *so that one fails over to the other
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> rombus, sure - lookup the Linux high Avalability prokect.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> project*
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[23:06] <UnaClocker> Newark raped me. Damn them!
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> it's just another Linux system at the end of the day, so most standard Linux stuff is avalable - within the limitations of memory, storage, speed, etc.
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[23:06] <rombus> mm thanks
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[23:08] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> it's the tumshieheed!
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> (sorry)
[23:09] <CelticTurnip> :D
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[23:26] <roboplegic> is there a guide about for setting up an xmpp server on a pi?
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[23:27] <steve1965> not really, xmpp is LAMP in a single stack isn't it?
[23:28] <steve1965> hang on, jabber, lol
[23:28] <steve1965> just do an apt-cache search for ejabberd (for example).
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[23:29] <steve1965> sorry, got my acronyms messed up for a second. :)
[23:29] <roboplegic> np :)
[23:29] <roboplegic> i read somewhere ejabberd can be a pain to configure on the pi
[23:31] <steve1965> http://laltromondo.dynalias.net/~iki/informatica/soft/ejabberd/ quick basic setup I used when do a ejabberd setup at work, it just worked.
[23:31] <steve1965> didn't do it on the pi though
[23:33] <roboplegic> thank you very much!
[23:34] <steve1965> if I were to do it and I hit trouble first thing I'd do is try standard wheezy rather than raspbian wheezy, just as a test.
[23:34] <steve1965> anyhoo, I have to go, thank you for the help and the conversation guys.
[23:34] <steve1965> bye
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[23:48] <scummos^> it's simple, don't use anything that involves php
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> I like php...
[23:49] <scummos^> it's a horrible language
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[23:49] <scummos^> I mean, it's totally okay to like it, but it's still a horrible language
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> it's ok for what it is.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> I treat it like sloppy interpreted C.
[23:50] <scummos^> yeah, that's kind of what it is
[23:50] <scummos^> except that its syntax consists of 90% weirdness
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[23:51] <scummos^> python, for example, is infinitely better :)
[23:51] <scummos^> where "better" means "more consistent and easier to write, debug and learn"
[23:51] <des2> What ever is compiled is better still
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[23:51] <scummos^> des2: depends on what you call "better" :)
[23:52] <CelticTurnip> meh all the cool kids using BASIC on their Altairs :P
[23:52] <scummos^> this is a really great article about php http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> I just can't be bothered with pytnon. Occam put me off forced indentation forever.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> CelticTurnip, you can use basic on your Pi :)
[23:53] <s5fs> its funny how language quality doesn't do much to affect it's populatiry
[23:53] <scummos^> s5fs: yes :(
[23:53] <scummos^> yeah the indentation, I hear a lot of people complain about that
[23:53] <scummos^> I personally don't mind but I understand that you might
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[23:53] <CelticTurnip> gordonDrogon: yeah I saw that on your website, I have an Altair though - it feels a tad more authentic 1975 style :)
[23:53] <yofel> blame the fact that the web doesn't care proper implementations for the popularity of PHP
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[23:53] <biberao> back
[23:54] <biberao> !!
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> actually FORTRAN irritated me by it's need for indentation.
[23:54] <des2> CelticTurnip programs the old fashioned way, but front panel switches.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> but that harks back to ye olde days of making it easier for the compiler.
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[23:54] <biberao> gordonDrogon: you did cards?
[23:54] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: well but in fortran the indentation is somewhat pointless, isn't it?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> biberao, briefly.
[23:54] <CelticTurnip> des2: the Altair is pretty much useless using the front panel switches, unless you have 10 hours to add 2 and 2 together :)
[23:55] <scummos^> it serves no actual purpose except historical stuff
[23:55] <CelticTurnip> sure look pretty though, all the flashing lights
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:55] <scummos^> yeah I want one of those mechanic-only-computers
[23:55] <scummos^> a Z3 or so
[23:55] <biberao> gordonDrogon: may i ask how old are you
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> I owned a pair of PDP8's once upon a time.
[23:55] <CelticTurnip> :D
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> biberao, I'll be 50 by the time this year is out.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[23:55] <UnaClocker> I wish I could program the Pi as easily as I program the Arduino.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> not quite toggle switches, but ...
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, what's stopping you?
[23:56] <UnaClocker> The compiler, I'd guess.
[23:56] <scummos^> UnaClocker: it's even easier -- here you can write python!
[23:56] <scummos^> pythoooon
[23:56] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I can't even figure out how to create a subroutine in Python.
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[23:56] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: it's really funny how those old PCB layouts look far less elegant than the modern ones :D
[23:56] <CelticTurnip> I saw that on your website, and the first thing that went to my head was... ooh faux-Altair panel and SIMH :)
[23:56] <scummos^> UnaClocker: def func(arg): print arg
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, if you can do C on an arduino, you can do it on a Pi.
[23:56] <CelticTurnip> ^ gordonDrogon
[23:57] <des2> What language are you programming the Arduino in ?
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[23:57] <UnaClocker> There are crazy simple python examples, and there are crazy complicated examples. I can't find anything in between.
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[23:57] <des2> And have you seen GordonDrogon's Wiring PI website ?
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[23:57] <scummos^> UnaClocker: just write pseudocode and it'll sort of work
[23:57] <UnaClocker> des2: No.
[23:57] <scummos^> it's good, go look at it
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> main () { printf ("Hello, world\n");}
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[23:57] <UnaClocker> :)
[23:57] <bcgrown> my pi should work on 4.8V, no?
[23:57] <biberao> UnaClocker: ardiomo is quite different from pi
[23:58] <scummos^> bcgrown: probably
[23:58] <biberao> *arduino
[23:58] <des2> You may be familiar with the Arduino system??? Briefly; Arduino is really two things; one is a hardware platform, the other software, and part of the software is a package called Wiring. Wiring is the core of the input and output for the Arduino, so I thought it would be good to replicate that functionality (or a good usable subset) on the Raspberry Pi.
[23:58] <des2> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[23:58] <[7]> bcgrown: the limit is somewhere around 4.0V for an unmodified pi if you need usb/ethernet
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> that sounds familiar...
[23:58] <des2> He's made the PI into an Arduino....
[23:59] <biberao> well
[23:59] <CelticTurnip> and NetBSD made it in to a UNIX :P
[23:59] <biberao> pi is easier
[23:59] <scummos^> ... except for the realtime capabilities ;p
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[23:59] <[7]> bcgrown: down to 2.9V with some hacks :)
[23:59] <biberao> netbsd isnt unix
[23:59] <biberao> :|
[23:59] <CelticTurnip> yeah because BSD isn't UNIX...
[23:59] <scummos^> BSD isn't unix?
[23:59] <CelticTurnip> lol
[23:59] <UnaClocker> Nice.. So can I call my variables "byte" "integer" etc, stuff that bare C bitches about?
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> I'm suspecting for UnaClocker it's the actual entry level - or IDE that's needed first.
[23:59] <scummos^> UnaClocker: yes
[23:59] <biberao> scummos^: bsd is different
[23:59] <des2> BSD is more Unix than Linux is....
[23:59] <bcgrown> [7]: hmm. mine was working then suddenly stopped responding. orange LED on solid, no other LEDs.
[23:59] <CelticTurnip> learn your Unix history
[23:59] <scummos^> UnaClocker: ... you're talking about python?
[23:59] <bcgrown> [7]: no link light with ethernet plugged in anymore
[23:59] <CelticTurnip> BSD is Unix without the trademark, Linux is Linux
[23:59] <scummos^> lol

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