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IRC Log for 2012-10-22

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[0:00] <biberao> CelticTurnip: you said it now
[0:00] <UnaClocker> No, python variable definitions make my hair stand up and fall out.
[0:00] <biberao> :P
[0:00] <scummos^> UnaClocker: why, they're like "a = 3"
[0:00] <biberao> CelticTurnip: mac os x is unix tradermark
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> ye gods. Who in this day and age actually cares about Unix vs. Lunux vs. *BSD vs. anything else....
[0:00] <UnaClocker> scummos^: Yeah, that seems soooo wrong.
[0:00] <scummos^> UnaClocker: because...?
[0:00] <CelticTurnip> yeah, it's a screwed up version of BSD, hacked together with NeXT :)
[0:00] <biberao> macos x
[0:00] * scummos^ actually has no idea about unix history
[0:00] <biberao> is a mach kernel
[0:00] <scummos^> it was way before my time
[0:00] <[7]> bcgrown: surely not caused by a drop to 4.8V
[0:00] <biberao> pi vs arduino
[0:01] <[7]> maybe it was even lower briefly?
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[0:01] <biberao> arent those 2 really different
[0:01] <UnaClocker> I didn't tell it that a is a number or a string, or that it needs to hold a number up to 255 or 16,000,000.. etc..
[0:01] <scummos^> php vs the world *ducks*
[0:01] <biberao> one is already assembled
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> BASIC FTW :)
[0:01] <CelticTurnip> :)
[0:01] <biberao> UnaClocker: python doesnt declare variables
[0:01] <scummos^> UnaClocker: which is totally okay, since you passed an int literal, so it's an it
[0:01] <UnaClocker> I know. I don't like that.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, stick to C ...
[0:01] <biberao> C is nice
[0:01] <scummos^> UnaClocker: and since ints can hold arbitrarily large numbers in python you don't need to declare its size ;p
[0:01] <biberao> !
[0:01] <UnaClocker> I also don't like not putting anything at the end of my lines.. ;)
[0:02] <scummos^> UnaClocker: you can put a ; but people will flame you for doing it
[0:02] <Dyskette> BSD was UNIX. Now it is unofficially UNIX.
[0:02] <scummos^> (python treats ; sort of like \n)
[0:02] <bcgrown> [7]: possible but i've been running it for a while on the same power supply. didn't add anything that draws more power. and now it does the same thing even with no USB devices plugged in
[0:02] <biberao> byte in C is an unsigned char
[0:02] <biberao> Dyskette: bsd is still made?
[0:02] <scummos^> C is ok but C++ is sort of horrible
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[0:02] <biberao> the BSD
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> byte in C is uint8_t
[0:03] <scummos^> C++ is so huge
[0:03] <biberao> gordonDrogon: standard C?
[0:03] <Dyskette> biberao: ...is this a trick question?
[0:03] <Dyskette> Yes. Of course.
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> biberao, it's a c99 extension - #include <stdint.h>
[0:03] <[7]> bcgrown: if you measured the 4.8V "after the fact", the load might have dropped already
[0:03] <biberao> gordonDrogon:
[0:03] <bcgrown> [7]: true, but.. it was working fine, and now nothing
[0:03] <[7]> maybe your power supply gets unstable when it gets warm?
[0:03] <biberao> gordonDrogon: its gnu
[0:03] <biberao> not ansi c
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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> is it? Hm.
[0:04] <biberao> gordonDrogon: yes
[0:04] <biberao> let me confirm
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[0:04] <biberao> one minute ok
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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> oh well. no real matter though.
[0:04] <biberao> dont want to look that im better than others
[0:04] <biberao> and i suck
[0:04] <bcgrown> [7]: maybe. i wonder if the sd card got corrupted or something
[0:04] <[7]> certainly possible
[0:04] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:04] <scummos^> bcgrown: what's your problem exactly?
[0:04] <des2> SD card corruption is not uncommon.
[0:05] <bcgrown> scummos^: pi was chugging along happily and then became unresponsive out of the blue. now i get an orange power LED but nothing else
[0:05] <[SLB]> bcgrown, sorry yesterday i talked about some python courses, they weren't coursera ones but udacity's, no wonder they didn't show up on your list eheh sorry
[0:06] <bcgrown> [SLB]: no worries. maybe i'll get there someday :)
[0:06] <[SLB]> eheh :)
[0:06] <bcgrown> des2: any way to test/repair it on my PC? don't have a monitor for the pi...
[0:07] <biberao> gordonDrogon: i apologize you were right
[0:07] <scummos^> bcgrown: imo, dd all the SD card contents to your PC, then redump the official image onto it
[0:07] <bcgrown> scummos^: good call.
[0:07] <scummos^> bcgrown: or better even, redump the official image onto another SD card
[0:08] <bcgrown> scummos^: don't have another one unfortunately
[0:08] <scummos^> bcgrown: not even a very small one? 128MB are enough
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[0:08] <biberao> hey
[0:08] <biberao> anyone bought raspberry pi
[0:08] <biberao> with paypal?
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[0:08] <bcgrown> scummos^: well.. i do. but not a reader. only have a microsd reader
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[0:09] <nemo> So. I was reading this... http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3200043&cid=41724131 and, well, seemed odd to me. Couldn't he add an RTC and use the GPIO?
[0:09] <bcgrown> nemo: an RTC wouldn't improve latency of the USB port
[0:09] <scummos^> bcgrown: ooh, so you can't write anything on it? no, wait... I don't get it
[0:10] <nemo> bcgrown: more like. why use the USB port
[0:10] <bcgrown> scummos^: it's okay. suffice it to say i don't have another SD card :)
[0:10] <scummos^> okay
[0:10] <UnaClocker> biberao: Yeah, I did. Allowed me to reverse the charges when RS didn't ship my Pi for over a month.
[0:10] <nemo> bcgrown: and I'm not too clear why the SD card would be involved.
[0:10] * nemo shrugs
[0:10] <biberao> UnaClocker: whats RS?
[0:11] * UnaClocker shrugs.
[0:11] <bcgrown> nemo: can't see why the SD card matters. i wonder what the interrupt latency of the GPIO is though
[0:11] <biberao> UnaClocker: ?
[0:11] <scummos^> biberao: RS components
[0:11] <biberao> im not american
[0:11] <scummos^> biberao: one of the companies that ships the pi
[0:12] <biberao> oh
[0:12] <biberao> i just know farnel
[0:12] <biberao> or whatever the name
[0:12] <UnaClocker> You also seem to lack logic skills.. From the context of my sentance, it'd appear to be a place I ordered a Pi from.
[0:12] <scummos^> yeah they're like farnell but smaller
[0:12] <biberao> UnaClocker: ?
[0:12] <scummos^> UnaClocker: could also have been a postal service or so ;P
[0:12] <biberao> i did figure that out
[0:12] <biberao> just because
[0:12] <UnaClocker> :)
[0:12] <biberao> i dont know what RS means
[0:12] <biberao> it be could something else
[0:12] <nemo> bcgrown: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10170
[0:12] <biberao> just because i didnt agree with you earlier
[0:13] <UnaClocker> I thought RS stood for Radio Shack, until the Raspberry Pi came along.
[0:13] <biberao> you dont need to be rude and offensive to me
[0:13] <biberao> no more chatting with you
[0:13] <[SLB]> ^
[0:13] * UnaClocker coddles biberao.
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> RS in the UK originally stood for Radio Spares.
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[0:13] <CelticTurnip> in Australia it's a rude word :P
[0:13] <bcgrown> nemo: that's the output switching speed, doesn't say anything about interrupt latency...
[0:13] <biberao> i had a family lunch and dinner
[0:14] <biberao> damn i hate my uncles and aunts
[0:14] <biberao> so im really mad today
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[0:14] <biberao> in my country RS stands for nothing
[0:14] <CelticTurnip> shake your fist in the air and yell out "grrrrrr!" - that'll fix it, if it doesn't throw a TV out a window :)
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[0:15] <biberao> CelticTurnip: i dont have a tv
[0:16] <biberao> my cousin has about 10 at home
[0:16] <CelticTurnip> fixed, go round there and chuck 1 out a window :)
[0:16] <des2> bcgrown in the past day we had a couple of people here that had to make new images on their SD card because of corruption.
[0:16] <CelticTurnip> repeat until feel better
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, latency from the pin to the kernel is very low - if working out how to hook into it that's the slow part...
[0:16] <biberao> CelticTurnip: i live in the second poorest country in the EU
[0:16] <biberao> :P
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, you can deliver over 10,000 ints/sec to a C program running in userland.
[0:16] <scummos^> biberao: so not greece
[0:16] <scummos^> :D
[0:17] <CelticTurnip> which country is that?
[0:17] <biberao> scummos^: nope
[0:17] <bcgrown> des2: i'm just going to blow away what i have and start over. i suppose it's possible that an improper shutdown could have caused this, right?
[0:17] <biberao> thats the shitiest at the moment
[0:17] <biberao> lol
[0:17] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: btw, I was reading around on that SPI problem (don't know if you remember --- the one with the pauses between the bytes) recently, and turns out other controllers do that to; so that's not the reason for the problem I was experiencing
[0:17] <scummos^> just tought you might be interested in that
[0:18] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: 10kHz is not that fast for a DAQ. but i imagine it would be plenty for a 3D printer that the slashdot commenter was talking about
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, ok, interstig...
[0:18] <scummos^> bcgrown: if you want to transfer data you can use SPI, it can do far more than 10 kHz
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, not read that article. Pi's really not a tool for hard real-time control...
[0:18] <bcgrown> scummos^: right. but speed and latency are two different things
[0:19] <scummos^> hm yes
[0:19] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: i agree, it's better suited to other applications
[0:19] <scummos^> but real-time stuff... yes, as gordonDrogon said, that's not something to do with the pi
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> you can do some stuff - but it has it's limits.
[0:19] <biberao> i gotta ask
[0:19] <biberao> you guys know what are LUGs?
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> Linux User Groups
[0:19] <s5fs> linux user groups?
[0:19] <CelticTurnip> yeah BSD user groups for Linux users
[0:19] <bcgrown> I wonder, are there any people using the raspberry pi for its intended purpose? (i.e. a cheap way to learn programming)
[0:19] <s5fs> i went to an ubuntu release party yesterday, haha
[0:20] <scummos^> bcgrown: uh... no
[0:20] <s5fs> bcgrown: that's my intention, learning how to write linux device drivers on simple hw
[0:20] <scummos^> bcgrown: I use it as a linux computer with output pins
[0:20] <fairuz_> bcgrown: I use it to learn yes :)
[0:20] <bcgrown> seems like media player applications have been getting WAY more attention/press
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[0:20] <s5fs> bcgrown: always been that way, look at how many open source mp3 player apps there are
[0:21] <scummos^> bcgrown: well, boring media stations are the "background noise" of each such product, arent' they :)
[0:21] <biberao> yes
[0:21] <biberao> im asking because
[0:21] <biberao> we dont have such thing here
[0:21] <bcgrown> scummos^: guess so. that's what i'm using mine for :)
[0:21] <biberao> and there are electronics meetings
[0:21] <biberao> it would be cool meet ppl like that here
[0:21] <biberao> :|
[0:22] <scummos^> bcgrown: haha, sorry then :D
[0:22] <CelticTurnip> bcgrown: I'm using 1 for XBMC, and the 512MB I'm saving for NetBSD
[0:22] <CelticTurnip> so you can count me as a no :)
[0:22] <scummos^> biberao: there's a linux user group in my town but those are mostly, like, "old unix sysamin" kind of people there
[0:22] <bcgrown> scummos^: it's quite alright i'm okay with being the background noise. i would use mine for home automation too if i had a home to automate :)
[0:22] <scummos^> biberao: I didn't find it to be terribly interesting
[0:22] <scummos^> bcgrown: haha, yeah :D
[0:23] <scummos^> biberao: I have been to several KDE release parties tough and those are cool
[0:23] <scummos^> there's really interesting people there
[0:23] <scummos^> (plus, some of the well-known devs)
[0:23] <bcgrown> scummos^: haven't thought of anything i could automate in my apt yet...
[0:23] <bcgrown> scummos^: maybe get progress reports from the roomba? haha
[0:23] <scummos^> bcgrown: you can also do other cool stuff with the GPIO pins
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[0:23] <scummos^> bcgrown: think of a weather station with automated plotting
[0:24] <biberao> scummos^: we have hose party
[0:24] <bcgrown> scummos^: one thing i want to do is have it turn on my speakers when the sound card is in use and turn them off after
[0:24] <bcgrown> i mean "sound card."
[0:24] <scummos^> hm, you'll probably need a relais for that
[0:24] <bcgrown> scummos^: yes of course. but that's the easy part
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[0:25] <scummos^> what's the hard part?
[0:25] <[SLB]> we have linux days here but.. very unorganized and messy, ending up talking about other things, more just free software in daily life, not really proper linux events
[0:25] <bcgrown> scummos^: the software to control the GPIO in that fashion
[0:25] <[SLB]> though at saturday's linux day there'll be a section about the raspi, will see
[0:25] <scummos^> bcgrown: turning off and on a GPIO pin? that's not very hard, is it?
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[0:26] <gordonDrogon> programming gpio pins isn't hard, but it can be fun for some people...
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at some simple stuff aimed at kids, etc. to paly with simple lights & switches on the gpio.
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> anything that can grab their attention...
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> e.g. this little board: http://unicorn.drogon.net/raspberryLadder2.jpg
[0:28] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: how did you build that board? it looks very professional
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, yes.
[0:28] <bcgrown> scummos^: well i don't know as I haven't tried. but how does one trigger it when audio is in use?
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, er, I designed the PCB, paid mony to have them made, then soldered the bits onto it.
[0:28] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: okay
[0:29] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: where do you get your PCBs fabbed?
[0:29] <bcgrown> (link wouldn't load for me btw)
[0:29] * scummos^ makes PCBs himself but they don't look that good
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> er, that one was a prototype place in the UK - expensive. hang on I'll dig out the details.
[0:29] <scummos^> obviously
[0:29] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: ah nm. i'm in Canada, i use batchpcb when i want cheap
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[0:30] <scummos^> I wonder if they just put green paint on it when it's done
[0:30] <bcgrown> scummos^: the green stuff is epoxy solder mask
[0:30] <scummos^> so it's just sprayed onto the board at the end?
[0:30] <bcgrown> scummos^: i believe it's screen printed
[0:31] <scummos^> hmm
[0:31] <bcgrown> to get all the openings for the pads and whatnot
[0:31] <biberao> bcgrown: you watch tv shows?
[0:31] <scummos^> could one do that manually?
[0:31] <bcgrown> hardly worth the trouble
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> ok. prototyping: I had 3 boards made for about ?90 from: http://www.pcbpanel.co.uk/
[0:31] <bcgrown> yikes that is pricy
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> for production, much cheaper from: http://www.quick-teck.co.uk/index.php
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, yes, but 5-day turnaround.
[0:31] <scummos^> if you do it yourself it's more like 20 cents :))
[0:32] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: in that case... not as bad
[0:32] <bcgrown> scummos^: home made boards are kinda... crappy.
[0:32] <scummos^> but it doesn't look that nice :(
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, sure - but I don't have the kit to make the boards, etchant, drills, etc.
[0:32] <scummos^> bcgrown: crappy in what sense?
[0:32] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: yeah, the drills are a real problem, I'm not yet sure how to do that
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, I used to do it that way - 25+ year back - things were simpler then!
[0:32] <scummos^> haha :))
[0:32] <bcgrown> scummos^: no plated through holes, no solder mask, no silk screen, and you can get finer geometry from a fab house
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, you need a drill-press - something that will hold the drill vertically. you really can't do it by hand...
[0:33] <scummos^> bcgrown: I can make 0.1mm tracks, that should be enough really
[0:33] <bcgrown> scummos^: dremel drill press works pretty well for homebrew boards though
[0:33] <scummos^> yeah, you will need a mount for the drill for sure
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> I found a huge price difference from board makers too. some are way ott... and some take weeks and weeks...
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> so the bulk place I used here is UK based, but they ship it all to china for manufacture.
[0:34] <bcgrown> scummos^: if you don't have plated through holes, it's harder to assemble the board, it's not as durable, and you are almost guaranteed to ruin the board if you have to remove a component
[0:34] <scummos^> haha
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> the protptype place is entirely in the UK.
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> I'd have gone directly to .cn, but I didn't want any hassle with importing, etc.
[0:34] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: batchpcb is dirt cheap but they're in china and it takes a month at least to get your boards. silver circuits in malaysia is dirt cheap for production
[0:34] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: and both handle the import issues for you, at least in canada
[0:34] <scummos^> bcgrown: on the other hand, it costs close to no money, and you can have it 20 minutes after you finished your PCB design
[0:35] <bcgrown> scummos^: that is the major advantage :)
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, uk imports are sometimes confusing )-:
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, then the post office adds their "processing fee" too. import duty, VAT, ... blah.
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> I did look at seeedstudio though - their prices were attractive.
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[0:36] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: bummer. in canada it's pretty simple. pay the sales tax when you pick it up at the post office. all bets are off if you use a courier (fedex ups et al.) though. they charge ridiculous brokerage fees
[0:37] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: or pick it up in the USA and the border guards usually don't care when you bring it back into canada :)
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[0:38] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, yea, slightly easier by the sounds of it.
[0:38] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: i imagine that's why everything here costs twice as much as in the USA
[0:39] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, not always - people are greedy is the usual reason.
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[0:43] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: when our dollar was at $0.60USD it sort of made sense. but it's been at par or better for at least a few years now
[0:43] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: prices haven't adjusted though
[0:44] <nemo> bcgrown: still way cheaper to buy a car in the states
[0:44] <bcgrown> nemo: yeah, but they won't sell to Canadians. or they won't honour the warranties
[0:45] <bcgrown> nemo: and half the cars are made in Canada in the first place!
[0:45] <nemo> my mom went to states to buy a 2nd blue rx3, and got hammered in import duties.
[0:45] <nemo> aaand a fine for not reporting the car
[0:45] <nemo> I told her that she should have brought the plates from her other car into the states w/ her :-p
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[0:46] <nemo> I mean, that or not try to sneak it in :-p
[0:46] <UnaClocker> RX3?
[0:46] <bcgrown> yeah no way you can get away with that
[0:47] <nemo> UnaClocker: pretty sure they are rx3s. no power steering, that kinda thing
[0:47] <UnaClocker> I've never heard of an RX3.
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[0:48] <nemo> bcgrown: well, given the cars were same make and model and colour, probably would have been fine if the plates hadn't been US
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[0:48] <scummos^> bcgrown: $random service I just found wants 0.18mm min track width btw; I can make < 0.1mm myself :)
[0:48] <scummos^> bcgrown: so resolution is not always an argument against homemade PCBs
[0:48] <nemo> UnaClocker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_RX3 hrm. doesn't look right though
[0:48] * nemo browses
[0:48] <bcgrown> scummos^: you can make them, but they can make them more consistently :)
[0:49] <UnaClocker> Definitely doesn't look right.
[0:50] <bcgrown> scummos^: where are you finding fab houses that use mm though? everyone uses inches here... drives me nuts
[0:50] <scummos^> bcgrown: I'm in germany, nobody has ever heard of inches here.
[0:51] <bcgrown> scummos^: haha. in canada we have a horrible mix of metric and imperial. and nowhere does it show better than in electronics
[0:51] <scummos^> everything is toroughly metric... luckily :D
[0:51] <scummos^> oh, except theoretical physics
[0:51] <scummos^> they use CGS
[0:51] <scummos^> with centimeters and gramms
[0:51] <scummos^> and gauss and stuff
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[0:51] <scummos^> but even they are slowly being overtaken by SI
[0:52] <bcgrown> 0.18mm (7mil) traces are not that great though. most better fabbers will do 3+3 these days (0.0762mm traces/spaces)
[0:52] <bcgrown> not the cheap places though i guess
[0:53] <thetodd__> hey everyone, quick n00b question, I see that there were some firmware updates today on the Arch OS for RPi, where can I get the readme or change list for that?
[0:53] <scummos^> my current layout plan requires 0.3mm, so I think I should be fine
[0:53] <UnaClocker> I like OSHPark, they make nice boards. :)
[0:53] <bcgrown> yeah geometry that small is not necessary in most cases
[0:54] <bcgrown> yay, my pi is back to life with a new SD image. now back to square one to set it all up again :(
[0:54] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/_Media/2012-09-20_193402_med.jpeg My Pi Shield..
[0:54] <scummos^> bcgrown: put the old one into your computer and copy over the config files
[0:55] <bcgrown> scummos^: too late. config files are easy though, it's all the packages that i had installed that will take the longest
[0:56] <bcgrown> hmm.. do Europeans really just refer to all of North America as "America?"
[0:56] <scummos^> bcgrown: well depends, but actually "America" usually refers to the USA
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[0:56] <bcgrown> scummos^: that's what i thought
[0:57] <bcgrown> scummos^: but in timezone selection, Vancouver is under America, so...
[0:57] <scummos^> if somebody tells me "I'm from America" I don't assume brazil or canada or so
[0:57] <[7]> in my experience (germany) "america" isn't used often, "usa" is more common
[0:57] <[7]> "americans" is usually used to refer to US people though
[0:57] <bcgrown> [7]: yes, indeed
[0:57] <bcgrown> everyone forgets about lil old canada... :'(
[0:58] <bcgrown> UnaClocker: board looks nice. purple soldermask?
[0:58] <UnaClocker> bcgrown: Yeah, that's OSHPark, all their boards are purple.
[0:59] <bcgrown> so... regal. haha
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[0:59] <UnaClocker> :)
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> Canada is Canada, not "the US"...
[1:00] <bcgrown> UnaClocker: a little too old-school through-hole for me though :)
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> I'd never bundle canada in with the us/usa...
[1:00] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: *phew*
[1:00] <des2> What are the two large connectors on your shield UnaClocker ?
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> mostly because I come from Scotland - which is not part of england as some thing...
[1:00] <UnaClocker> bcgrown: Yeah, I'd have done an SMT ATTiny, but I already had the through hole ones.
[1:00] <bcgrown> bcgrown: i'm not saying we're better than them or anything. well maybe a bit. ;)
[1:00] <bcgrown> er... gordonDrogon that is
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[1:01] <UnaClocker> des2: RJ45 and RJ9, cheap and simple connectors to go to remote boards.
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[1:01] <UnaClocker> des2: http://www.neonsquirt.com/_Media/2012-09-24_185448_med.jpeg There it is populated.
[1:02] <bcgrown> UnaClocker: no protection for the GPIO? brave.
[1:02] <des2> ah
[1:02] <UnaClocker> hehe, I fried a Pi when I reversed the polarity.. That sucked.
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[1:03] <UnaClocker> Smoke came out, there's a burn mark on the CPU..
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> pi heater? heating what?
[1:03] <thetodd__> hmmm, frying a Pi by reversing the polarity... I think I know why I need to get a 512MB RPi..
[1:03] <UnaClocker> It's going to control the heater registers in my house.. :)
[1:03] <thetodd__> my 256 one is fried because I reversed the polarity... :>
[1:03] <bcgrown> thetodd__: don't wreck your pi on purpose. just give it away to someone
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> a heater register ...
[1:03] <thetodd__> I wouldn't do it
[1:03] <thetodd__> I'm too chicken
[1:04] <[7]> UnaClocker: how did you power the pi?
[1:04] <UnaClocker> gordonDrogon: Central heating, the warm air comes out of a vent, there's a flap that controls how much air gets into each room.
[1:04] <thetodd__> I fried a hard drive one time on accident, hated the smell so bad I'm always too careful now about polarity
[1:04] <UnaClocker> [7]: 4 amp 5v wall adapter.
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> ah, one of those systems.
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[1:04] <[7]> UnaClocker: through microusb?
[1:04] <bcgrown> thetodd__: that's why they keep the magic smoke sealed in electronics. smells AWFUL
[1:04] <UnaClocker> No. In through the GPIO header.
[1:04] <[7]> or somehow after the polyfuse?
[1:04] <[7]> ah
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[1:04] <thetodd__> haha!
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> so the sockets do what - just output to a relay, or is there some comms involved?
[1:04] <UnaClocker> And I jumpered my polyfuses.
[1:05] <[7]> the protection diode would still have had a chance to catch it
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[1:05] <des2> Announcing my new service: Upgrade excuse. Want to upgrade to a 512MB Pi but can't find a reason? Just lend me your 256MB and I'll lose it for you. Then you can tell people "I had a 256 but lent it to a friend who loast it and I bought a 512MB replacement".
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[1:05] <UnaClocker> gordonDrogon: The sockets take signals from the GPIO header and route them down some cat5 to a remote mounted stepper driver board.
[1:05] <[7]> des2: lol
[1:05] <thetodd__> des2: I like it...
[1:05] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, anyway, neat little board - and I did see one place offering cool purple PCBs :)
[1:06] <UnaClocker> This was the first board I'd ever designed before.. :)
[1:06] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, ah right. careful with the steppers - drive them too fast and Linux will interrupt and you'll lose pulses )-:
[1:06] <UnaClocker> Yeah..
[1:06] <des2> maybe that's what the ATtiny is for
[1:07] <thetodd__> I have my RPi running file server and transmission all the time. That's the best reason I need another RPi, my current one is too busy for experimenting
[1:07] <UnaClocker> Nah, the ATTiny is for ADC, so I can read TMP36 temp sensors. It's connected to the UART in the GPIO header.
[1:07] <UnaClocker> My heater control system is going to use 3 Pi.. Which is all I have left after smoking Pi #4..
[1:08] <UnaClocker> Well, I have a new 512mb on the way.. Newark charged me freakin $20 to ship the thing.. Grr..
[1:08] <thetodd__> is it too soon to start asking when we can get an RPi with 1024MB?
[1:09] <SIFTU> thetodd__: or get a pogoplug or something to do fileserving & torrents and use your pi for experimenting
[1:09] <thetodd__> .... SIFTU: That's a good idea.
[1:10] <thetodd__> I'm only torrenting RPi OS images though. It seems more appropriate to serve them from a Pi
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> bed time for me.
[1:11] <des2> heh
[1:11] <biberao> shoot
[1:11] <biberao> i got a yellow card
[1:11] <biberao> minutes ago
[1:11] <biberao> :|!
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[1:11] <des2> They had it in stock UnaClocker ?
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[1:12] <SIFTU> thetodd__: if you are in the US pogos are like $20, they have more powerful CPU, a case and power supply, 1Gb eth etc. But they do not have GPIO or display ports
[1:12] <UnaClocker> des2: Yes, I got on the waiting list like 10 minutes after they sold out the first batch last Monday. On Friday they had another batch in and I got to order from that batch.
[1:12] <UnaClocker> Was only $60 for my first 512mb Pi..
[1:12] <thetodd__> I have extra capacity on my servers I'll just spin up an Arch VM and use that
[1:13] <bcgrown> i thought the 512mb was the same price still?
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[1:14] <SIFTU> thetodd__: takes a little more power to do that
[1:14] <Benighted> Ugh, can buy in the UK and Israel, but not Canada
[1:14] <UnaClocker> bcgrown: Yes, $35 for the Pi, somehow they came up with $5 in tax for that $35 unit, and then charged me $20 to ship it FREIGHT (freight, like a semi truck???).
[1:15] <bcgrown> UnaClocker: oh yeah. well my 256mb came out around $50ish after tax and shipping too. but now i get free shipping from newark :)
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[1:15] <UnaClocker> More like I'm paying for your shipping. ;)
[1:15] <bcgrown> haha i think my employer orders enough to pay for the shipping
[1:16] <Datalink> this is sheer frustration over something else at this point, so I appoligize... but WHY IN TARTARUS IS WHOIS NOT A DEFAULT PACKAGE IN RASPBIAN >.<
[1:16] <ReggieUK> that's the first time it's come up since the inception of the pi
[1:16] <ReggieUK> that's why it's not in there
[1:16] <Benighted> touche!
[1:17] <bcgrown> heh, newark has a thousand accessories for the pi, but not the pi itself
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[1:17] <thetodd__> same with adafruit I think
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[1:17] <Benighted> adafruit as yes
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[1:18] <Benighted> spent a good hour or so looking over all the addon's, the touchscreen lcd addons are really well priced
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[1:19] <thetodd__> okay, I'm off to the archlinux-arm channel. thanks for the chat
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[1:20] <Benighted> So, I switched root from my SD to USB and now alsa loads 7 times and audio is garbled, any dieas?
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[1:22] <bcgrown> anyone know a source for big touch screens? like 7" or bigger?
[1:23] <UnaClocker> Adafruit seems to have the Pi, but only if you want to buy it as a $120 kit, or buy $350 worth of their crap.
[1:24] <UnaClocker> I bought a 3.5" composite screen for one of my Pi's for $12 from China.. Still waiting for it to clear customs though.
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[1:24] <biberao> UnaClocker: you bought from where
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[1:24] <biberao> ?
[1:24] <des2> MCM has the PI also in stock in a $60 kit of PI, power supply, case, and SD card.
[1:24] <UnaClocker> Amazon.com
[1:24] <biberao> UnaClocker: could i get the name of it
[1:25] <biberao> i usually buy things in china
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[1:25] <biberao> and now we found a way to clear ourselves from customs
[1:25] <biberao> atleast in my country
[1:25] <biberao> we have to pay extra 30-50 for customs
[1:26] <UnaClocker> biberao: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045IIZKU/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_SC_3p_dp_1
[1:26] <UnaClocker> The price has gone up since I ordered..
[1:26] <CelticTurnip> if you're in Australia element14 has the 512MB shipping next day
[1:27] <CelticTurnip> and that is at AUD$35
[1:27] <UnaClocker> I just need a buddy in Australia to relay for me.. ;)
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[1:27] <des2> Pi Pickup Party at Turnip's house!
[1:27] <UnaClocker> Really though, I figure I can get a good deal on a 256mb on eBay finally..
[1:27] <biberao> pi here will take 4-6 days
[1:27] <CelticTurnip> they have 1395 in stock
[1:28] <UnaClocker> 256mb should always be fine for the media center machines, and most embedded applications.
[1:28] <CelticTurnip> us Aussies should start shipping them to you guys :)
[1:28] <UnaClocker> CelticTurnip: Yeah, I imagine you could beat the $60 I paid Newark pretty easily.
[1:29] <biberao> wait 2 days
[1:29] <biberao> now
[1:29] <biberao> fantastic
[1:29] <biberao> UnaClocker: have you heard of aliexpresws?
[1:29] <bcgrown> UnaClocker: unless you want to use java... ugh.
[1:29] <[7]> biberao: is it more reliable than DX?
[1:30] <UnaClocker> I think I could live 3 lifetimes and never WANT to use Java.. ;)
[1:30] <biberao> [7]: whats dX?
[1:30] <[7]> dealextreme.com
[1:30] <biberao> never heard of it
[1:30] <UnaClocker> I got my oscilliscope from DX.. :)
[1:30] <biberao> my dad bought 50 electronic cigarettes
[1:30] <biberao> frm alibaba
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[1:31] <[7]> last time I ordered something in china (at DX) that was really disappointing
[1:31] <bcgrown> biberao: why not just buy 1 refillable one?
[1:31] <[7]> didn't get my shipment until today
[1:31] <UnaClocker> DX took 3 months to get my scope to me.. But I'm happy with it now that I have it. :)
[1:32] <biberao> bcgrown: you mean the cigarettes?
[1:32] <bcgrown> biberao: ya
[1:32] <biberao> he sold the 50
[1:32] <biberao> :P
[1:32] <bcgrown> ah ok
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[1:32] <bcgrown> i see those on craigslist all the time. must be your dad :P
[1:32] <biberao> [7]: the chinese call
[1:32] <biberao> s
[1:32] <biberao> me every month now
[1:32] <biberao> lol
[1:32] <biberao> bcgrown: whats craigslist?
[1:33] <UnaClocker> biberao: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=craigslist
[1:33] <bcgrown> biberao: where are you from? i thought everyone knew craigslist
[1:33] <biberao> we know facebook
[1:33] <biberao> lol
[1:33] <biberao> ive heard craigslist is dangerous
[1:34] <bcgrown> craigslist is as dangerous as a steak knive
[1:34] <biberao> ok
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[1:34] <biberao> thats just classifieds?
[1:34] <bcgrown> yeah
[1:35] <biberao> ok
[1:36] <[7]> UnaClocker: yeah it's been like 3 months in this case as well
[1:37] <[7]> they sent me a fake tracking number almost 2 months ago
[1:38] <[7]> and didn't even send me a tracking number (until about than a month after the order) before I threatened with a chargeback
[1:38] <[7]> which scope btw?
[1:38] <biberao> [7]: alibaba is nice
[1:38] <[7]> it seems to smell even more fishy than DX to me
[1:38] <UnaClocker> Rigol DS1052E, was the cheapest place back when I bought it..
[1:39] <biberao> [7]: believe me
[1:39] <biberao> i bought that
[1:39] <biberao> the cigarettes
[1:39] <biberao> *there
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[1:43] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/robots/the-interface-boards.html My Pi Heater project's latest progress report.. For anyone that's bored.. :)
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[1:44] <biberao> UnaClocker: will it control
[1:44] <biberao> the heaters?
[1:44] <UnaClocker> Yes, it's going to control the temperature in my house down to the individual room.
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[1:45] <biberao> nice
[1:45] <UnaClocker> :)
[1:45] <nemo> UnaClocker: yeah, I guess they were just old rx7s w/o power steering - I didn't realise the series had run for so long
[1:45] <biberao> ill take one
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[1:46] <UnaClocker> Ahh, I forgot to include the eagle files on that post.. eh, I'll add them later. :) This thing is going to use 3 Pi, 2 rooms per Pi.. Getting them talking to each other is going to be very???. educational...
[1:46] <biberao> oh ya i forgot
[1:46] <biberao> i have no heaters
[1:46] <biberao> :|
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[1:47] <biberao> UnaClocker: which kind of heaters will it control?
[1:47] <UnaClocker> biberao: http://www.neonsquirt.com/_Media/2012-10-07_152227_med.jpeg It's going to open and close those flaps.
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[1:48] <des2> If a person actually has PC boards made for their project it enters the 'serious project' zone.
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[1:48] <biberao> UnaClocker: and you connect it to the pi?
[1:48] <UnaClocker> des2: Yeah, and publishing it online helps keep ya motivated to see it through to the end. :)
[1:49] <UnaClocker> biberao: Yes.
[1:49] <biberao> damn tomorrow
[1:49] <biberao> ill pay more attention to your site
[1:49] <biberao> and read and reread
[1:49] <UnaClocker> :)
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[1:50] <biberao> UnaClocker: i dont know any electronics
[1:50] <biberao> im going to read this
[1:50] <UnaClocker> The Arduino is great for learning electronics with. It's pretty forgiving.
[1:50] <biberao> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10764
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[1:50] <biberao> im buying 2 rasp pi and 1 arduino
[1:51] <biberao> now i need to find a good arduino supplier
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[1:51] <biberao> one thing i found out is that rasp doesnt have vga :|
[1:51] <UnaClocker> I was teaching my son Arduino on one of my Pi earlier today. :)
[1:51] <biberao> my dad never taught me anything
[1:51] <biberao> he just yells at me
[1:52] <UnaClocker> Me either, we should all aim to be better than the generation before us. :)
[1:52] <biberao> UnaClocker: then my dad didnt learn
[1:52] * Datalink reads backscroll...
[1:52] <biberao> ReggieUK: i need to say the same badword
[1:52] <Datalink> ReggieUK, I deserved that...
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[1:53] <biberao> the only way for me to configure raspberry would be either connecting to a tv or to my dsub monitor
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[1:54] <Datalink> biberao, only till you enable SSH... why it doesn't start by default is beyond me
[1:54] <[7]> biberao: or the serial port :)
[1:54] <biberao> [7]: then we need an old pc
[1:54] <biberao> ;)
[1:54] <biberao> which i got lol
[1:54] <[7]> or a usb adapter
[1:54] <biberao> is a dvi to hdmi
[1:54] <biberao> cheap?
[1:54] <[7]> $5-ish
[1:55] <biberao> nice
[1:55] <[7]> or a few cents in china
[1:55] <biberao> ah wait
[1:55] <[7]> simple mechanical adapter, no fancy electronics required
[1:55] <biberao> i cant
[1:55] <biberao> :|
[1:55] <biberao> my graphic card is dvi
[1:55] <biberao> my monitor is vga only
[1:55] <biberao> :|
[1:55] <[7]> well with vga you can't do much
[1:55] <biberao> Datalink: ya that sucks
[1:55] <[7]> ssh or serial :P
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[1:55] <biberao> so forget rasp
[1:55] <biberao> |:
[1:56] <biberao> i cant connect to it
[1:56] <biberao> what if i modify raspbian to ssh default?
[1:56] <Datalink> biberao, that'd be an option as well
[1:57] <biberao> though i dont know how
[1:57] <biberao> :X
[1:58] <des2> I thought sshd was on by default again ?
[1:58] <des2> Did it get changed back to no default.
[1:58] <biberao> Datalink: you know how?
[1:59] <mythos> biberao, if you have a linux running, it is simply a matter of copying a binary and a chroot
[2:00] <mythos> if you have only windows... good luck
[2:00] <Datalink> biberao, sudo /mnt/sdcard2/etc/rc2.d/K03ssh /mnt/sdcard2/etc/S03ssh
[2:00] <Datalink> changing /mnt/sdcard2 for the location of the SD card in your filesystem of course
[2:01] <biberao> mythos: i ahve linux
[2:01] <mythos> Datalink is right. mount the rootfs and modify the runlevel for sshd
[2:01] <Datalink> yep
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[2:02] <biberao> if i can mount
[2:02] <biberao> the rootfs
[2:02] <biberao> i mean
[2:02] <biberao> its already installed in the sdcard right?
[2:03] <mythos> biberao, you are not really used to linux, aren't you? ;)
[2:03] <Datalink> biberao, if you have Linux, that's just mounting /dev/sdc2 (if sdc is the SD card's block device of course)
[2:03] <biberao> mythos: thats not it
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[2:03] <biberao> i dont have a pi yet
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[2:03] <Datalink> if you have a GUI, you may be able to browse to it, Ubuntu mounts the partition automagically
[2:04] <Datalink> biberao, the option I'm suggesting is to the SD card in a different distro of Linux...
[2:04] <Datalink> basically prep the SD card a bit
[2:04] <biberao> Datalink: yes but i wasnt thinking in the sdcard part
[2:04] <biberao> thats why i got confused
[2:05] <biberao> thats why i said i couldnt mount the rootfs
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[2:05] <Datalink> biberao, ah... it's a standard ext4 partition in raspbian, easy to change the config if you have sudo
[2:05] <biberao> i was thinking in the way of already "preloaded" card
[2:05] <biberao> i was about to dump the squashfs
[2:06] <mythos> squashfs? which distro you are using?
[2:06] <Datalink> biberao, those are just SD cards with raspbian presized and a sticker... there isn't a squashfs on raspbian
[2:06] <biberao> mythos: nothing
[2:06] <biberao> Datalink: yes
[2:06] <biberao> but i was thinking in another direction which i havent checked before
[2:06] <biberao> :X
[2:07] <mythos> you are going to learn fast, after you got your piece of pie ;)
[2:07] <biberao> QtonPi <- nice
[2:07] <biberao> mythos: like i usually alter my livecds
[2:07] <biberao> and dump the squashfs
[2:08] <biberao> what about the bootloader
[2:08] <mythos> hmm... why are you doing that?
[2:08] <biberao> where is it?
[2:08] <biberao> mythos: because i like to mess with everything
[2:08] <biberao> my router has some weird squashfs like
[2:09] <mythos> biberao, the "bootloader" is searching for a fat-partition on the sd-card and loads the firmware (some blob) and linux from there. there is no bootmanager like grub
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[2:10] <biberao> its the int interruption?
[2:10] <mythos> int?
[2:13] <biberao> ok
[2:13] <biberao> figured it out
[2:13] <biberao> thanks
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[2:16] <Datalink> mythos, acutally firmware loads loader.bin, which is the boot loader, that reads config.txt and then loads fixup.dat with the memory size to adjust the slice, then loads start.elf which finally loads cmdline.txt and uses that to load the kernel
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[2:16] <Datalink> it's a custom bootloader but the boatloader would actually be loader.bin which is a much more simple loader than grub or lilo
[2:16] <mythos> Datalink, depends on the point of view
[2:16] <biberao> the stage 1 bootloader is on rom
[2:17] <biberao> right
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[2:17] <Datalink> mythos, I may have the order slightly off... that was an educated guess...
[2:17] <Datalink> biberao, yes, stage 1 looks for the first partition and loader.bin off of it
[2:17] * Datalink is considering selectively 'breaking' his pi install now.
[2:17] * Datalink pulls out the labrat PI SD card
[2:18] <biberao> so the best way then
[2:18] <biberao> is like you said Datalink
[2:18] <biberao> then after all has been working i can ssh and then connect to the tv
[2:18] <Datalink> yes, edit the ssh runlevel
[2:18] <biberao> how can i output the image to the tv?
[2:18] <biberao> ive never done such thing on linux
[2:19] <Datalink> if HDMI is not detected, it switches to composite
[2:19] <Datalink> it's at hardware level, not OS level
[2:19] <Datalink> for the Pi
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[2:20] <biberao> oh so doesnt require any configuration
[2:20] <biberao> ?
[2:20] <Datalink> no, though config.txt can be used to set up features, it's not required, Pi with raspbian is intended to be a turn-key solution, all the heavy work has been done (except SSH...)
[2:20] <mythos> Datalink, to be short. for me it is a bootchain, which i cannot alter. so there is no really second level bootloader from my point of view
[2:21] <biberao> Datalink: then i guess ill break it all soon :)
[2:21] <Datalink> mythos, it is a boot chain, yes, but you can alter some features... the config file, the cmdline file, so it is still a full loader... it even loads a failsafe kernel if you hold the shift key
[2:21] <Datalink> biberao, breaking things is educational... just so long as you can get the pieces back together later
[2:22] <mythos> Datalink, yeah, as i said... it depends on the point of view ;)
[2:22] <mythos> i don't say, that you are wrong.
[2:22] <Datalink> just that you feel differently... heh, I figured
[2:24] <mythos> Datalink, as long as i cannot alter loader.bin, it is for me one bootchain intialised by one bootloader. i don't see loader.bin as something external if it is necessary for bootup.
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[2:24] <Datalink> mythos, yeah, get Broadcom to stop being asses about their chip and you'll make a lot of people happy
[2:24] <mythos> Datalink, but you are right, if you say, it is a 2nd level bootloader.
[2:25] <Datalink> okay loader.bin renamed, Pi blinked and looked at me like I was the stupid one, no text output to screen... I should probably have Serial debug hooked up for this
[2:25] <mythos> so.. good... then we have discussed this ;)
[2:25] <biberao> the raspberry pi rom
[2:25] <biberao> can be normally flashed?
[2:26] <mythos> biberao, nope
[2:26] <des2> Why should Broadcom change their spots now ?
[2:26] <Datalink> biberao, it doesn't need to, the bootrom loads a stage 2 from the SD card
[2:26] <Datalink> des2, please don't take my dreams from me... even the crazy not in a million years ones...
[2:27] <biberao> Datalink: just wanted to find out more
[2:27] <biberao> about whats inside the rom
[2:27] <des2> Well I do believe we'll have accelerated X before the end of the year, if that is any consalation.
[2:27] <mythos> that's a secret
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> biberao: not without an order for many millions of devices, and a NDA signed.
[2:28] <biberao> hey SpeedEvil !
[2:28] <biberao> i didnt know you were doing pis too
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> hey
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> sora
[2:28] <SpeedEvil> sorta
[2:29] <biberao> you gave up advanced stuff?
[2:29] <Datalink> it's probably mostly 'push this here, push that there, this sequence of opcodes...' boring stuff, really, on an outer level... you're welcome to take a hex editor to it, but you won't find much in the way of even ARM stuff until you get to the start.elf, that's the first item loaded onto the ARM's section of memory
[2:29] <Datalink> start.elf then calls up the kernel.img
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[2:31] <Datalink> I missed bootcode.bin which apparently is bare minimum required to make the OK LED blink...
[2:31] <Datalink> so that's the actual videocore bootloader
[2:32] <biberao> hey
[2:32] <biberao> i have to go
[2:32] <biberao> good night
[2:32] <Datalink> night
[2:32] <Datalink> ....
[2:33] <Datalink> is it bad that I just used my Pi's wifi dongle to reboot it?
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[2:48] <des2> no.
[2:48] <Datalink> heh
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[2:49] <des2> Note btw that they relabled the 'OK' led to 'ACT' (Activity) to more clearly label it as indicating SC card activity.
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[2:53] <Datalink> des2, it also indicates some boot level problems, it goes to an activity light after the boot process hands over to the kernel
[2:53] <cyclick> How much space does raspbian require ?
[2:56] <Datalink> cyclick, the image is 2 GB... it could be made smaller with work
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[2:58] <cyclick> thanks Datalink.. 2gb will be fine, I have an 8gb SD card
[3:00] <Datalink> cyclick, you'll be fine then, I have a 4 gig for "break the OS' style tests and a 16GB for normal use (I compile a lot of stuff on it)
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[3:51] <UnaClocker> I guess I don't actually have a Pi on the way from Newark.. Just noticed that my ship date isn't till November 16th.. Blah.
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[3:58] <des2> cancel.
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[3:59] <des2> Find some place with cheaper shipping.
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[5:32] <heathkid> I've got four 256k's still new in the box
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[5:36] <bcgrown> what's the audio quality over hdmi like?
[5:37] <uncola> digital
[5:37] <PhotoJim> it can basically do whatever toslink can do
[5:37] <bcgrown> hm. this is good. i need a proper receiver and speakers. analog output of the pi is... lacking.
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[5:38] <bcgrown> no weird latency or anything?
[5:38] <CelticTurnip> I've only used mine for XBMC, and haven't noticed any audio issues
[5:42] <uncola> get some kef speakers
[5:44] <bcgrown> uncola: don't know them. expensive?
[5:46] <bcgrown> uncola: $1200 for the floor standing ones... yikes
[5:46] <uncola> gotta pay for quality
[5:46] <bcgrown> true. but i ain't got that kinda do-re-mi
[5:47] <CelticTurnip> ... why would anyone use a $35 device on $1200 speakers? :P
[5:47] <CelticTurnip> might want to save up and buy that $70 comptuer
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[5:49] <uncola> haha I have my raspberry pi plugged into about $2200 of speakers not including the receiver
[5:49] <uncola> I usually use my mac mini though
[5:49] <des2> Because after spending $1200 for speakers they only have $35 left....
[5:49] <bcgrown> haha
[5:49] * CelticTurnip lols
[5:49] <CelticTurnip> :)
[5:50] <bcgrown> i currently have my $35 device plugged into $80 speakers
[5:50] * heathkid runs away fast.... no way, no how, never....
[5:50] <bcgrown> plan to upgrade someday when i have the cash though
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[5:51] <Neal_> i currently have my $35 device not plugged into any speakers
[5:51] <bcgrown> CelticTurnip: if it's a digital output it doesn't make as big of a difference as with analog
[5:53] <bcgrown> got a bunch of maple plywood lying around, might be good speaker box material
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[5:59] <des2> or a PI case.
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[6:04] <bcgrown> des2: it's 3/4" so... biggest pi case ever
[6:06] <CelticTurnip> project: biggest pi case ever :)
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[6:08] <des2> We call that rugged.
[6:08] <Neal_> not a fan of a case on my pi, so much cooler without one anyways
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[10:10] <bircoe> the silence is deafening!
[10:12] <des2> shhhhhhhh
[10:12] <bircoe> sorry...
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[10:23] <bircoe> best photo bomb ever...
[10:23] <bircoe> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/182vr5xw8e70rjpg/original.jpg
[10:25] <ebswift> adafruit proto board assembled! now to wait for 3 weeks for my temp sensors to arrive from china :/
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[10:25] <bircoe> what temperature sensors?
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[10:26] <ebswift> DS18B20
[10:26] <bircoe> they are fun little things!
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[10:26] <ebswift> i originally ordered for the picaxe, but i think i can just bypass the picaxe altogether
[10:27] <bircoe> I have an army of them spread out through my house... used to log temps in different rooms and the AC vents, plus outside temp, but the NAS box that was logging them is now long gone and I haven't set up a replacement yet, maybe time to put a Pi to use!
[10:28] <bircoe> yeah no need for picaxe, you can connect them to gpio pins, i believe there is a kernel module for them aswell
[10:28] <bircoe> not sure if it supports multiple sensors or just a single sensor on a single pin tho...
[10:28] <ebswift> yep, that'd be a nice application... i have some more WNDA3200's on their way from the UK too
[10:28] <ebswift> 20 bucks a piece delivered
[10:29] <bircoe> wow
[10:30] <bircoe> a nice alterntive is the DHT21's... they're somewhat expensive (about $6 each i think) but are temp + humidity sensors, I've got one connected to an Arduino driving a OLED display
[10:31] <bircoe> http://www.ladyada.net/learn/sensors/dht.html
[10:31] <bircoe> damnit
[10:31] <bircoe> http://learn.adafruit.com/dht
[10:31] <ebswift> cool, well i didn't really know what i was looking at... i have some analog sensors and i actually had them sending info back to a PC with the reading via picaxe
[10:32] <ebswift> though i'm dubious about their accuracy
[10:32] <bircoe> that will be the case with most things that aren't properly calibrated sensors... ie lab quality equipment.
[10:33] <ebswift> the DS18B20's are supposed to be pretty good
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[10:33] <bircoe> yeah i like them... i have a little container with about 8 left over
[10:34] <bircoe> i found a batch of 20 on ebay a while ago fir $2 somthing each
[10:34] <ebswift> i reckon a great application of the 'pi would be a little greenhouse that did all the watering, open and close window vents, turn on fans etc. with temp and moisture sensors
[10:34] <ebswift> good find on those sensors
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[10:35] <Lexip> Excellent idea
[10:36] <ebswift> the little greenhouse isn't an original idea, but i reckon the raspi potentially makes the project cheaper and easier to control
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[10:48] <bircoe> ebswift, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/Arduino%2BDHT22%2BOLED.jpg
[10:49] <ebswift> nice, that's a cool little sensor
[10:49] <ebswift> nice OLED too :)
[10:49] <des2> that's cute
[10:49] <bircoe> the OLED's are way smaller than I expected...
[10:50] <bircoe> should have drawn one to scale before buying it!
[10:51] <bircoe> PS love the Arduino Pro Mini's
[10:51] <bircoe> great form factor
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[11:00] <bircoe> must be about time to get rid of Ubuntu on this machine...
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[11:01] <booyaa> anyone playuing around with those arduino leonardos?
[11:02] <booyaa> got my estimated shipping date for my 512 pi
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[11:03] <teh_orph> mornin'
[11:03] <booyaa> less than a month, bet it would've arrived before that one i cancelled from rs
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[11:05] <ebswift> mine was pretty-much overnight booyaa... what country?
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[11:09] <bircoe> anyone tried out one of these before?
[11:09] <bircoe> http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/smallfish_info.php?products_id=49128
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[11:13] <ebswift> looks cool, though i hear performance is bad... i could be wrong though
[11:14] <bircoe> from what i read it can read/write at upto 25mb/s... i'm interested to know if it has samba built in
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[11:14] <ebswift> well there's internal speed vs 'over the wire' speed
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[11:15] <ebswift> if it could stream video it would be nice
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[11:16] <bircoe> it was mentioned in one of the reviews i read, they also said it would happily stream 3x HD videos at a time, catch is the flash is formatted in FAT32 so 4gb is max file size.
[11:16] <bircoe> i need something liek this for when I'm on night shift... can keep tv shows and music on it and stream from my Nexus 7 or SGS3
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[11:17] <ebswift> not sure how it compares, but you can get a 64GB micro SD at a similar price, and you can just set tethering from your phone
[11:18] <ebswift> <removed>
[11:18] <bircoe> already got one on order :)
[11:19] <bircoe> but this is more to share between my devices, plug collegues that may want to sample some tv shows :)
[11:19] <bircoe> plug = plus
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[11:21] <ebswift> well just sayin' that you can share just the same with tethering
[11:22] <ebswift> only diff really is that you can answer and talk on your phone while your colleagues watch movies if you have the other wifi thingy
[11:23] <bircoe> or knowing the SGS3 it will go flat before shift is over...
[11:23] <bircoe> my HTC One X so owned it for battery life
[11:24] <booyaa> ebswift: ordered my from farnell (uk)
[11:24] <bircoe> could get nearly 2 days out of the One X, the SGS3 struggles to make it 12 hours
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[11:24] <ebswift> booyaa, element14 in oz must have really stocked up to be doing overnighters on them
[11:25] <ebswift> yeah bircoe, one day we will look back and laugh at the whole battery life issue
[11:25] <crippa> hi. What is the lightest setup that allows me to watch divx via the hdmi port?
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[11:25] <crippa> I currently run xfce but I'd get rid of it if possible.
[11:26] <ebswift> maybe xbian?
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[11:26] <bircoe> that's true... but it still pisses me off now
[11:27] <ebswift> give us our bloody fuel cells
[11:27] <crippa> I don't want to have a media player alone though.. I need to install other stuff e.g. apache, torrent client, sshd, ...
[11:28] <ebswift> well, don't know beyond raspbian...
[11:28] <ebswift> which probably isn't the lightest
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[11:29] <crippa> what if I just install the Xserver? will that work?
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[11:33] <geordie> crippa: you don't need the xserver. check out omxplayer
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[11:35] <crippa> geordie: veeery cool!
[11:35] <crippa> how about something like that only for audio?
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[11:36] <crippa> e.g. to use the RPi as a jukebox wiith a web interface?
[11:37] <Datalink> crippa, audio is handled by ALSA, a sound server, so you don't need Xserver, VLC also has a raw audio mode, there are other players that also do but VLC is the one I use
[11:37] <Datalink> vlc also has a web interface
[11:38] <zag2> http://www.raspberrypiforums.com/forum/showthread.php?769-Project-Bedroom-Raspberry-pi-powered-Audio-system
[11:38] <zag2> I use openelec for my jukebox raspi
[11:38] <Datalink> http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Modules/http_intf
[11:38] <Datalink> zag2's solution might help you better
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[11:39] <zag2> yeh i used mine mainly with a phone remote or ipad for control
[11:39] <zag2> but you could use a screen and remote
[11:39] <huene> crippa: if you want audio, you can use MPD and some web-interface (patchfork, ampache, ...) with it
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[11:40] <crippa> great thanks all
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[11:43] <Datalink> my setup uses my TV and a script to play youtube videos through a text control interface
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[11:46] <crippa> well I was looking for something more user friendly than ssh..
[11:46] <crippa> btw, how do you play youtube videos? gnash?
[11:48] <Datalink> whitey, modified to use omxplayer instead of mplayer, though someone with some web coding experience and youtube-dl could make a web based clone of whitey
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[11:50] <Datalink> though I recognize that I'm crazy enough to do that much work... there are bound to be other solutions out there
[11:51] <Datalink> openelec would probably suit your needs, or raspbmc, they're media center centric OSes that have been ported to the pi
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[11:52] <Datalink> as opposed to general purpose configurations for Linux that I'm working with, I use Raspbian
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[11:53] <zag2> yeh openelec all the way
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[11:54] <zag2> just boot a memory stick and your up and running, even recognises most wireless cards out of the box
[11:55] <Datalink> and has cec integration so a cec aware TV can send commands to the Pi for media selection 1 remote
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[12:07] * gordonDrogon waves in an enigmatic sort of way.
[12:08] <Datalink> hey gordonDrogon how would I have one command run on a successful make and another run if it fails?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, you need to write a shell script and check the exit status of the make - if [ $? ...
[12:12] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, whee, alright
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> there may be other ways, but that's the first think that comes to mind.
[12:12] <Datalink> blinkmake is a go then...
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[12:18] <FR^2> Hmm. How about folding@home on the raspi? ;)
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[12:19] <des2> Be faster to do it with pencil and paper.
[12:19] <booyaa> unless there was a way to tap into the gpu
[12:20] <Datalink> FR^2, that's... why....
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[12:23] <FR^2> Datalink: But why? ;)
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[12:25] <nid0> why what?
[12:26] <FR^2> ah, never mind... ;)
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[12:29] <Datalink> crap, pi support didn't get into libcec... I wonder what I missed in it's annoying list o dependencies
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[12:32] <Datalink> oh, Pi specific subproject
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[12:38] <bircoe> maybe have a look at the OpenELEC build scripts, it's CEC support is nice
[12:38] <bircoe> except with my Panasonic plasma... the stupid remote sends double IR button presses...
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[12:38] <Datalink> bircoe, ick
[12:39] * Datalink tries re-running autoconf...
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[12:49] <Datalink> configure: error: Raspberry Pi API not found or incompatible with libCEC
[12:49] <Datalink> sigh
[12:50] <Datalink> also never search for pi in an apt-cache
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[12:52] <Datalink> ffs, I'm compiling this thing on a Pi, why is it not going >.<
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[13:05] <nid0> libCEC configure works for me :s
[13:05] <nid0> libCEC version 2:0:0 configured
[13:05] <nid0> You can now build libCEC by running:
[13:05] <nid0> make
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[13:09] <Datalink> nid0, yes, but does it control your TV from the Pi?
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[13:10] <nid0> no idea, you said you were getting a configure error
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[13:12] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~/git/libcec $ ./configure --enable-rpi --with-rpi-include-path --with-rpi-lib-path
[13:12] <Datalink> try that and see if you get the error I did
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[13:12] <Datalink> if not, I'll need to find out what in the blue blazes I'm missing
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[13:13] <bagpuss_thecat> can you put the output into a pastebin post please?
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[13:15] <Datalink> http://intrepid.illogicallabs.com/paste.txt
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[13:16] <Datalink> F5 that if you already loaded it
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[13:19] <bagpuss_thecat> do you have the kernel headers installed?
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[13:19] <Datalink> bagpuss_thecat, I recently compiled a kernel on the pi... so if I don't, I'd be scared
[13:20] <bagpuss_thecat> :-)
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[13:27] <bagpuss_thecat> I've never built a kernel on the pi or for it
[13:27] <bagpuss_thecat> have you got https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[13:27] <bagpuss_thecat> ?
[13:28] <Datalink> yes
[13:28] <bagpuss_thecat> hmmm
[13:28] <bagpuss_thecat> just rummaging around line 158 of configure.ac
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[13:31] <bagpuss_thecat> just wonder if --with-rpi-lib-path or --with-rpi-include-path needs to be set as well?
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[13:33] <Tachyon`> Datalink, why did you need to recompile the kernel?
[13:33] <Datalink> bagpuss_thecat, tried both ways
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[13:33] <Datalink> Tachyon`, masochism... pure and simple...
[13:33] <Tachyon`> ah right, nothing really gained from it the
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[13:34] <Tachyon`> at least with the bootloader being elsewhere it's virtually impossible it cock it up with a bad kernel (something that might make me much more likely to play with it in the future)
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[13:34] <Datalink> it was back when I had the 16 meg memory split, so I was trying to figure out wtf was up with omxplayer... a day of compiling the kernel with a few extra options (m to a lot of device modules) and still no better, but ehe
[13:35] <Tachyon`> ahh
[13:35] <Tachyon`> then you switched to 64/192
[13:35] <Datalink> yeah, hell, you can fix the bootloader with windows... that's saying something in itself
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[13:35] <Tachyon`> and your problems went away
[13:35] <Tachyon`> I bet
[13:35] <biberao> yo
[13:35] <biberao> !
[13:35] <Datalink> yep, currently 64meg, using the revised config.txt split method
[13:35] <Tachyon`> I was getting audio with no video on omxplayer with no ram
[13:35] <Tachyon`> not enoguh ram*
[13:35] <Datalink> Tachyon`, you got more than I did
[13:35] <Datalink> I remember that though
[13:35] <Tachyon`> I didn't know there was a revised method
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[13:36] <Datalink> cam out the 20th
[13:36] <Tachyon`> it was that or it wishing me a nice day
[13:36] <Tachyon`> ah right
[13:36] <Tachyon`> but stioll no DSI support I suppose
[13:36] <Tachyon`> notlike I'm waiting for it or anything
[13:36] <Tachyon`> oh wait, I am, heh
[13:36] <Datalink> .... you've got a DSI compatible screen?
[13:36] <Tachyon`> there's shedloads of them
[13:36] <Tachyon`> that's sort of the point
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[13:37] <Tachyon`> very popular in phones etc, so I've a wide choice for embedded applications, and I need to choose something 640 pixels wide and no more than 5-6" in size so I can get on, lol
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[13:38] <Tachyon`> but not until we can use the DSI -.-
[13:39] <biberao> Datalink: does xbmc have ssh disabled?
[13:39] <Datalink> biberao, I have no idea...
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[13:40] <Tachyon`> it seems to have console disabled
[13:40] <Datalink> Tachyon`, as in compatible with our ribbon mechanically?
[13:40] <Tachyon`> oh, of coursea not
[13:40] <Tachyon`> but how hard to make an adapter, lol
[13:40] <biberao> thanks Datalink
[13:41] <Datalink> biberao, I never used XBMC myself, all I know is it's a media player system
[13:41] <Tachyon`> it nips along nicely on the pi
[13:41] <Tachyon`> but it seems to hide the whole OS from you
[13:41] <Tachyon`> aimed at people who can't use a computer I think
[13:41] * Datalink re-clones the firmware just in case
[13:41] <biberao> ok cool thanks
[13:41] <biberao> Datalink: i might edit the same and check it out
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[13:43] <Tachyon`> I'm looking for the AROS image for the pi, anyone know where I can find it
[13:43] <Tachyon`> the original site owner appears to have not paid the bill after experiencing a lot of intereste (read tranfer)
[13:43] <Tachyon`> and it's not returned in some time
[13:44] <biberao> im making the sdcard
[13:44] <Tachyon`> if you find you have no audio on XBMC
[13:45] <Tachyon`> power cycle your tv after starting playback, for some reason I have to and I'm not sure why
[13:45] <Datalink> Tachyon`, not sure, I'm looking for the same :/
[13:45] <Tachyon`> suspect liberties are being taken with the HDMI spec somewhere
[13:45] <biberao> Tachyon`: you're telling me?
[13:45] <Tachyon`> ahh
[13:45] <Tachyon`> well, more advising than telling
[13:45] <Tachyon`> hopefully it wont' be an issue on your hardware
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[13:45] <biberao> Tachyon`: sorry bad choice of word
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[13:46] <biberao> i meant were you talking to me
[13:46] <biberao> :)
[13:46] <biberao> 12:40 <+Tachyon`> it seems to have console disabled <- to me also?
[13:46] <Tachyon`> yes, xbmc, I couldn't switch to a standard console
[13:46] <Tachyon`> or bring up a terminal or anything
[13:46] <biberao> oh
[13:46] <biberao> i dont have a hdmi tv im screwed :p
[13:46] <Tachyon`> if there's no HDMI it should start up in SD
[13:47] <biberao> by the way have you tried raspbian?
[13:47] <Datalink> biberao, Tachyon`'s concern about sound doesn't apply to your setup then
[13:47] <Datalink> biberao, it's what a few of us use, I'm on it
[13:47] <Tachyon`> yes, I use that most of the time
[13:47] <Tachyon`> it's quite nice, you can change the window manager if you don't like the one it comes with very easily too
[13:48] <Tachyon`> as with any debian
[13:48] <biberao> so before changing the default ssh behaviour
[13:48] <Tachyon`> less nice is a lot of the packaged software simply doesn't work, segfaults on start and so on
[13:48] <Datalink> Tachyon`, try the broadway distro of AROS: http://www.aros-broadway.de/downloads/index.html
[13:48] <biberao> if i bought raspbian wont it work on a normal tv without changing anything?
[13:48] <Tachyon`> ah, that won't work
[13:48] <Tachyon`> it expects a 24 bit screen
[13:49] <Tachyon`> already considered it
[13:49] <Datalink> Tachyon`, then VNC in...
[13:49] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.pandora/aros.png
[13:49] <Datalink> biberao, bought? you'd just be able to write it to any SD card
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[13:49] <Tachyon`> here's what it looked like on the pandora when I made the same error
[13:50] <Tachyon`> vnc? are you seriously suggesting I run a server on a virtual 24 bit screen to display it on the 16 bit screen wtih a client?
[13:50] <biberao> Datalink: sorry
[13:50] <biberao> boot
[13:50] <Tachyon`> I'd imagine that might be a bit slow, particularly on the pi
[13:50] <biberao> then im sick today i cant even type properly
[13:50] <biberao> im sorry
[13:50] <Datalink> Tachyon`, that's kinda... how the other ones have been doing it
[13:50] <Tachyon`> oh dear
[13:50] <Tachyon`> I'd rather try to get the pi workign properly in 24 bit mode
[13:50] <Tachyon`> there's a config.txt option to enable
[13:51] <Datalink> biberao, you worry too much about offending us, relax, there are no stupid questions, only unasked ones
[13:51] <Tachyon`> like it should have been in the first place
[13:51] <Datalink> Tachyon`, yay
[13:51] <biberao> Datalink: im used to be told to shut up
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[13:51] <biberao> because the question seems stupid
[13:51] <Tachyon`> this isn't such a channel
[13:51] <Tachyon`> or shouldn't be at least
[13:51] <Datalink> biberao, then you've been in the wrong places
[13:51] <Datalink> if it becomes that, we poke Reggie to deal with the person
[13:52] <biberao> ive never tried this because i lack the material
[13:52] <Tachyon`> who then starts threatening to ban people if they use a subset of english words that every primary school kid uses routinely
[13:52] <Tachyon`> but I digress, lol
[13:52] <biberao> but i wanted to know if i have to use either dualscreen or something like will linux detect it without having to enter X or something
[13:52] <biberao> ?
[13:52] <Datalink> biberao, you are the type of person the Pi was made for... someone interested in working with or learning computers but otherwise unable to get the resources
[13:53] <biberao> yes
[13:53] <Datalink> biberao, unfortunately the Pi only has 1 graphic card, the HDMI is not enabled if not plugged in at boot
[13:53] <biberao> thats correct
[13:53] <biberao> yes
[13:53] * Tachyon` hopes Aemulor Pro will appear for Pi soon
[13:53] <biberao> Datalink: rca cant do the same right since its not digital
[13:54] <Tachyon`> (which allows running of old 26 bit RISC OS software on modern hardware (IE: the Pi))
[13:54] <Datalink> biberao, right, RCA is the default adaptor for the Pi, if it doesn't detect HDMI it will go back to RCA
[13:54] <Datalink> Tachyon`, is it open source, if so, make it appear soon :D
[13:54] <Tachyon`> it's closed sourse but the author is working on a pi port
[13:54] <Tachyon`> and has been for a few months
[13:54] <Tachyon`> it may even be free
[13:54] <biberao> how can i
[13:54] <Datalink> bleh
[13:54] <Tachyon`> although he does charge for some versions
[13:54] <biberao> configure my raspbian then
[13:55] <bagpuss_thecat> XBMC isn't aimed at those who can't use a computer. It's aimed at those who want a 10ft interface. 2 separate markets
[13:55] <biberao> can i enable something from ssh to rca detection?
[13:55] <Datalink> biberao, RCA is always used, unless you have HDMI
[13:55] <biberao> bagpuss_thecat: but im needing it for streaming
[13:55] <Datalink> no need to configure
[13:55] <Tachyon`> bagpuss_thecat, then why make it virtually impossible to bring up a terminal?
[13:55] <biberao> Datalink: /window 45
[13:55] <biberao> oops
[13:55] <biberao> sorry
[13:55] <bagpuss_thecat> because it's a media center, not an OS
[13:55] <Tachyon`> bollocks
[13:55] <Tachyon`> it's both
[13:56] <Datalink> I'm afraid I can't switch your irssi windows for you...
[13:56] <Tachyon`> it's an app running on an OS
[13:56] <biberao> Datalink: i know :p
[13:56] <Datalink> XD
[13:56] <Datalink> I seem to attract typos of various commands...
[13:56] <Tachyon`> apt-get install sl :>
[13:56] <biberao> Datalink: Datalink pi is really good for me
[13:56] <bagpuss_thecat> Tachyon`: are you wanting a remote terminal, or on screen terminal?
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[13:56] <Datalink> I think one time I was tab complete on a compile... I've been used for google a few times
[13:56] <FR^2> grr! quotation marks were missing in my feeble attempts to feed 1-wire temperature values to rrdtool on my raspi :)
[13:57] <Datalink> FR^2, eep!
[13:57] <Tachyon`> well, at the time I wanted onscreen but I doubt I'll use that distribution at all tbh, it has problems with my TV
[13:57] <bagpuss_thecat> because an on-screen terminal would be a function of your window manager and desktop environment, *not* XBMC
[13:57] <Tachyon`> but even ctrl+alt+f1 etc. didn't work
[13:57] <biberao> Datalink: when will linux acknowledges that rca is enabled?
[13:57] <FR^2> Datalink: It has been a while an at last only a guess to solve that issue
[13:57] <bagpuss_thecat> yes, because it's a fullscreen app
[13:57] <Tachyon`> look, it's a choice made by whoever created that distribution, no matter how you split the hair, it's restricted into unusability for anything other than playing media
[13:58] <bagpuss_thecat> ctrl+alt+f1 works for me
[13:58] <Datalink> biberao, Linux doesn't control the video, but will use what the Pi's hardware gives it
[13:58] <Tachyon`> does it?
[13:58] <Tachyon`> it didn't for me, I'll try again
[13:58] <bagpuss_thecat> on all my XBMC frontends, yes
[13:58] <biberao> Datalink: but it needs a framebufffer
[13:58] <biberao> -f
[13:58] <Datalink> Tachyon`, should... may need ctrl-alt-shift-f1 since X11 eats ctrl-alt a bit
[13:59] <bagpuss_thecat> XBMC is platform agnostic. hence the Windows, Mac, Linux, etc builds. It's not an OS, it's an app
[13:59] <Tachyon`> that would switch to TTY13
[13:59] <Tachyon`> I think
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[13:59] <Datalink> biberao, yes, which the Pi provides over RCA or HDMI, depending on if you've plugged an HDMI cable in, it's in the VideoCore driver blob, the OS just works
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[13:59] <Datalink> Tachyon`, on X11 it usually switches to tty1
[13:59] <Tachyon`> but it's normally alt+fx or ctrl+alt+fx in X as it traps alt+fx
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[13:59] <biberao> ah ok Datalink nice
[13:59] <biberao> :)
[13:59] <Tachyon`> odd, raspbmc seems to be updating itself
[14:00] <bagpuss_thecat> wasn't there a new release the other day?
[14:00] <Tachyon`> keep several cards handy with various OS's on
[14:00] <Tachyon`> that I really like about the pi
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[14:00] <Tachyon`> so easy to swap
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[14:00] <Tachyon`> ah yes, downloading new build now
[14:00] <Tachyon`> perhaps the audio problem will be gone
[14:00] <biberao> when it comes to powering external hdds
[14:00] <Datalink> hehe, shutdown -h now... wait for [HALT!], swap, flick the power... bam, suddenly it's another computer
[14:00] <biberao> how does it work
[14:01] <Tachyon`> you should ue a powered hub
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[14:01] <nid0> or a powered disk
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[14:01] <Tachyon`> you should not link out the polyfuse as I did to make it work as you'll have no protection against overcurrent
[14:01] <biberao> oh
[14:01] <Tachyon`> oh, powered, aye, that too
[14:01] <Datalink> biberao, Linux itself has good detectionf or USB, but the hard drive should be powered by some other means, either it's own power cable or a hub with it's own power supply
[14:01] <biberao> so i cant use those not powered
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[14:01] <Tachyon`> you're limited to 750mA total on the power in on the pi
[14:01] <Tachyon`> so no
[14:02] <biberao> i have one but when i connect the charger it doesnt help much
[14:02] <Datalink> biberao, they do need some source of power, right, the Pi's power circuit's not strong enough on it's own
[14:02] <Tachyon`> as most drives take 500mA at least
[14:02] <bagpuss_thecat> the raspbmc build script has a comment that says "echo 'dedicate first virtual terminal for xbmc'" - that may indicate that XBMC runs on the first VT. Have you tried ctrl+Alt+f2?
[14:02] <biberao> raspbian installs grub on the sdcard right?
[14:02] <Datalink> biberao, a hard disk needs both power and data...
[14:02] <WhiteBreath> Yay
[14:02] <Datalink> the Pi doesn't use Grub
[14:02] <Datalink> it's a different archatecture, so different bootloader
[14:03] <biberao> yes but could use
[14:03] <biberao> a level 2 bootloader
[14:03] <Tachyon`> bah
[14:03] <Tachyon`> the audio problem remains
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[14:03] <biberao> so i could have another OS in the hdd
[14:04] <Datalink> the level 2 loader for the Pi isn't able to handle multiple OSes, but you can swap out the main drive by swapping SD cards so it's moot
[14:04] <biberao> but then i couldnt play with something else thats what i meant hehe
[14:04] <Datalink> it'd take a bit of configuration to use an external HD with the Pi...
[14:04] <biberao> thanks
[14:04] <biberao> Datalink: im here to try hehe
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[14:05] <Tachyon`> yup, turn tv off and on, audio, lol
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[14:05] <Tachyon`> I wonder if it's this switchbox
[14:06] <biberao> hey can i use use the rca to scart convertor right
[14:06] <bagpuss_thecat> Tachyon`: have you tried ctrl+alt+f2 to get to VT2?
[14:06] <Datalink> biberao, yes
[14:06] <Tachyon`> yeah, f1, f2, with ctrl+shift or not,
[14:06] <Tachyon`> althoguh the audio problem is more worrying really
[14:07] <biberao> Datalink: you dont have a pic of the rca connector on the pi?
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[14:07] <bagpuss_thecat> http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/frequently-asked-questions/ states that the RaspBMC implementation of XBMC uses the framebuffer, so X11 key combinations such as ctrl+alt+f* probably won't work
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[14:07] <bagpuss_thecat> tried plain old alt+f2?
[14:08] <biberao> altf2
[14:08] <biberao> will switch without x11
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[14:08] <Tachyon`> hrm
[14:08] <Tachyon`> ahh
[14:08] <Tachyon`> right
[14:09] <bagpuss_thecat> personally I would just use SSH
[14:09] <Tachyon`> just rebooting, removing the switchbox seems to have removed also the audio problem, just checking it wasn't a fluke
[14:09] <Datalink> biberao, http://www.cablewholesale.com/specs/headphone-to-rca-cable/10a1-12206.htm for audio, a regular RCA cable for video, and an RCA cable to SCART adaptor http://www.amazon.com/HDE-SCART-3-RCA-Female-Adapter/dp/B0030GPRUO feel free to source these elsewhere if you need
[14:09] <Datalink> that's the setup I use when I play with analog
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[14:09] <Datalink> save... I don't have SCART
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[14:10] <bagpuss_thecat> SCART should be taken out the back and shot
[14:10] <Datalink> bagpuss_thecat, now now, consider how many cables we yanks have to deal with...
[14:10] <Tachyon`> and it was a fluke dammit
[14:10] <Datalink> SCART was what HDMI is... a single cable that did all the work...
[14:10] <biberao> Datalink: its the same connector for the pi and the tv
[14:10] <biberao> ?
[14:11] <biberao> because i have some cables
[14:11] <Datalink> biberao, video uses an RCA type coax connector, audio uses a 3.5mm headphone jack
[14:11] <bagpuss_thecat> I suppose, sadly
[14:11] <Datalink> biberao, thus why one of the cables I linked was 3.5mm headphone to RCA adaptor
[14:12] <biberao> i have that also single
[14:12] <biberao> all together the pi will cost me 70euros
[14:12] <Datalink> biberao, http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard you can look at the board and reearch a lot here
[14:12] <Datalink> ouch
[14:12] <Datalink> how much of that is shipping, tax and vat?
[14:13] <biberao> freeshipping
[14:14] <biberao> but its with vat
[14:14] <biberao> im buying a case too
[14:14] <biberao> and the charger
[14:14] <Datalink> biberao, ah, not a bad idea, my pi's now in the pibow acrylic case
[14:14] <biberao> it costs 8euros the case
[14:15] <bagpuss_thecat> ooh, oh
[14:15] * bagpuss_thecat ponders
[14:15] <Datalink> biberao, which one?
[14:15] <biberao> INM-0501
[14:15] <biberao> Raspberry Pi enclosure, Black
[14:17] <Datalink> ah
[14:17] <Datalink> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi/blog/2012/08/16/raspberry-pi-hdmi-to-vga-converter you where asking about HDMI to VGA earlier
[14:17] <biberao> 63.78
[14:17] <biberao> euro
[14:18] <biberao> for a case a power supply and raspberry
[14:18] <Datalink> read up a bit just now, this adaptor's zero config... ouch
[14:18] <Datalink> ah, okay
[14:18] <biberao> nice
[14:18] <biberao> im glad ppl are helpful he even post screenshots lol
[14:18] <biberao> brb
[14:18] <biberao> lunch
[14:18] <biberao> Datalink: if i could find a place to be cheaper i would buy it
[14:18] <bagpuss_thecat> bah
[14:19] <Datalink> biberao, understandable, have a good lunch
[14:19] <Datalink> bagpuss_thecat?
[14:19] <bagpuss_thecat> one of my RPi projects uses twice the 802.3af wattage spec
[14:19] <bagpuss_thecat> so no PoE for me
[14:19] <Datalink> aww
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[14:19] <Datalink> I've been pondering rigging up a Pi power and ethernet cord... how far above spec is the Pi itself?
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[14:20] <bagpuss_thecat> the Pi itself is well within it
[14:20] <bagpuss_thecat> 5 watts, out of ~13 allowed
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[14:22] <Datalink> hm...
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[14:22] <Datalink> http://www.amazon.com/AIR802-POEPASS-01-Injector-Splitter-Connector/dp/B003DLJNWE/
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[14:23] <Datalink> heyya gordonDrogon
[14:24] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: morning
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[14:29] <biberao> back
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[14:33] <biberao> why the hell my usb card reader says my cards are read only and when used in another card reader it works perfect?
[14:34] <Datalink> biberao, the read-only is a pin on the SD card, it might be corrosion on the reader
[14:34] <biberao> :(
[14:34] <biberao> but it works in another card reader
[14:34] <Datalink> biberao, the corrosion is probably in the reader, not the card
[14:34] <Datalink> :/
[14:35] <biberao> can i fix it?
[14:35] <Datalink> biberao, I'd blow in the USB reader, might just be dust or lint on the pin
[14:36] <Datalink> ......
[14:36] <biberao> oh
[14:36] <biberao> ok
[14:36] <biberao> will try
[14:36] <Datalink> I just gave NES cartridge advice for a technical problem in a non-ironic manner... that scares me a bit XD
[14:37] <biberao> i used to do that on my nes
[14:37] <biberao> cartridge
[14:37] <Datalink> heh, I was actually lucky, never had a cart that did that for my system
[14:37] <biberao> i even do that on my dvd write on the table
[14:38] <biberao> one more thing
[14:38] <biberao> 01:00 <+Datalink> biberao, sudo /mnt/sdcard2/etc/rc2.d/K03ssh /mnt/sdcard2/etc/S03ssh
[14:38] <Datalink> there was a copy protection chip that was added when the Famicom was brought to the european and american markets, it's... not the most reliable chip
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[14:38] <biberao> i have a famicon
[14:38] <biberao> your example is confusing
[14:38] <Datalink> biberao, that should have been sudo mv
[14:38] <Datalink> sorry
[14:38] <Datalink> forgot the mv part of the command
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[14:39] <Datalink> sudo mv /mnt/sdcard2/etc/rc2.d/K03ssh /mnt/sdcard2/etc/S03ssh
[14:40] <Datalink> you're basically moving the runlevel from 'don't run at runlevel 2' to 'run at runlevel 2'
[14:40] <Datalink> for SSH
[14:40] <Datalink> hm, I have a spare LVDS monitor: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#ecwid:category=3094861&mode=product&product=14647633
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[14:45] <biberao> Datalink: not really
[14:45] <biberao> that way im moving to 2 different locations
[14:45] <Datalink> biberao, .... I goofed again, blah, I should sleep more I guess
[14:45] <biberao> i should do sudo mv /mnt/sdcard2/etc/rc2.d/K03ssh /mnt/sdcard2/etc/rc2.d/S03ssh
[14:46] <Datalink> yeah... you got it
[14:46] <Datalink> sorry, I seemed to goof that one repeatedly x.x
[14:46] <biberao> Datalink: im not calling you names or anything
[14:46] <biberao> i was just showing i was paying attention
[14:46] <biberao> :P
[14:46] <Datalink> it's good you are, sorry I wasn't :S
[14:46] <biberao> np
[14:47] <biberao> its good also that way somethins
[14:47] <biberao> *sometimers
[14:47] <biberao> damn either im having problems or my server is lagged
[14:48] <biberao> shouldnt i have ssh start at startup?
[14:48] <biberao> like rc2.d isnt startup
[14:50] <biberao> well have to leave seeya
[14:50] <biberao> take care
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[14:56] <Datalink> biberao, yes, ssh should, but raspbian omits it for security (default user/password's well known)
[14:56] <Datalink> ebay needs a wtb
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[15:02] <ledil> hello, what is the best linux system for raspberrypi thats runs completely in RAM ?
[15:04] <nemo> ledil: heh. why, to save on an SD card? :)
[15:05] <ledil> because I need a system that runs 24/7 and sd card has only limited writing
[15:05] <nemo> er...
[15:05] <atouk> stick a thumbdrive on it and move rootfs to that
[15:06] <nemo> ledil: just set /var/log to ram
[15:06] <nemo> leave the rest alone
[15:06] <nemo> ledil: SD card isn't going to wear out on any timescale of significance
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[15:06] <nemo> you planning to leave it running 24/7 for decades or something?
[15:07] <ledil> for years :)
[15:07] <ledil> for 2-3 years
[15:07] <nemo> yeah. n/p then
[15:07] <ledil> ok, great, what about a linux distro that is easy to install and is debian like ?
[15:08] <ledil> or is there a raspberrypi optmized linux distro ?
[15:08] <ledil> I dont need X, I only need a debian system with python installed + nginx ...
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[15:14] <nemo> ledil: I mean, worrying about the SD card is a waste of time :-p
[15:15] <nid0> ledil: raspbian.
[15:15] <nemo> esp since there is wear levelling and I doubt you'll use the entire card
[15:15] <nemo> just get a big card, and put logs on /var/log if you really care :)
[15:16] <nemo> er. /var/log on ram that is
[15:16] * bagpuss_thecat can vouch for raspbian
[15:16] <bagpuss_thecat> tmpfs ftw
[15:16] <nemo> bagpuss_thecat: ramfs if you want to absolutely be sure there's no use of swap :)
[15:17] <yofel> +1 on raspbian, the preinstalled image you can get from the website ships lxde as well, but you can just throw that out if you don't need it
[15:17] <bagpuss_thecat> nemo: good call
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[15:18] <bagpuss_thecat> https://github.com/kylegordon/mqtt-gpio-trigger \o/
[15:18] <nemo> bagpuss_thecat: I use it for the joy of insanely fast builds :)
[15:18] <nemo> bagpuss_thecat: I put 16GiB in my home machine. memory is so damn cheap these days
[15:19] <nemo> a ton of memory and a linux desktop which rarely needs rebooting also means HD is mostly cached in ram too :)
[15:19] <nemo> well. the parts I use anyway
[15:19] <ledil> how to avoid a system halt if it exceed the ram ?
[15:20] <vlt> Hello. I'm on a raspberry pi running raspian. What is the recommended way to playback video files? Should I keep a second OS (like raspbmc) for this purpose or can I install something comfortable on raspbian too?
[15:20] <nemo> ledil: I was thinking ensuring your logs are always truncated so they never come close
[15:20] * nemo shrugs
[15:20] <nemo> ledil: but ok. tmpfs as bagpuss_thecat recommended then
[15:22] <nemo> ledil: or periodically remounting + log limits
[15:22] <nemo> probably tmpfs is no big deal, since you're still not gonna wear out that SD card in 2 years :-p
[15:22] <nemo> or even 5 years
[15:22] <nid0> or 10
[15:22] <nemo> nid0: heh. I was wanting to say 10
[15:23] <nemo> guess I'm not totally sure how reliable SD is myself :)
[15:23] <nemo> nid0: I know it has wear levelling, wondering if it automatically shrinks once sectors go bad
[15:23] <nemo> hm.
[15:23] * nemo googles for SD aware linux file systems
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[15:24] <nid0> well, the maths is quite easy, most sd cards typically have lifetimes of at the very least 100,000 write cycles, wear levelling isnt perfect across everything but over that many writes the inefficiency is statistically insignificant
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[15:24] <_OskaR_> some thought on log writing to sd card while running mysql.. ?
[15:24] <nemo> http://www.muktware.com/4485/samsung-creates-new-file-system-f2fs-linux-good-news-android
[15:24] <Hodapp> Linux supports plenty of FSes that perform their own wear-levelling
[15:24] <nemo> nid0: so. hm. if, oh, total logs for a day is measured at a megabyte or two...
[15:25] <Hodapp> those are for use on raw NAND devices, really... they're not necessary on SD or most other flash
[15:25] <nemo> nid0: yeah, his system isn't going to be burning disc much. updates are probably more significant
[15:25] <FR^2> http://test.farsquare.de/log_d.png <-- 1-wire: temperature fallig ;)
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[15:25] <nid0> so an 8GB card, assuming 1GB of static content with the other 7GB being written to, at 20MB/s thats 6 minutes to write to the entire card once, x100,000 is 414 days
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[15:25] <nemo> nid0: 20MB/s :D
[15:25] <nemo> heh. that's more like a home media server :)
[15:26] <nid0> exactly, thats assuming thrashing a good card
[15:26] <nemo> Ok, so he's probably more like 20MB per day, if that...
[15:26] <nid0> at 1MB/s (which is still way higher than logging will ever come remotely close to) you're up to nearly 23 years
[15:26] <Hodapp> Honestly, I've regarded most of the fear of wearing out SD cards - or SSDs or whatever - as being basically nonsense.
[15:26] <nemo> so his is good for the next 10,000 years
[15:26] <FR^2> nid0: Have you measured the netto network data rate? ;)
[15:27] <nemo> awww. he quit :(
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[15:36] <bagpuss_thecat> FR^2: what are you using for 1-wire? owfs? digitemp?
[15:37] <FR^2> bagpuss_thecat: At the moment I'm using a primitive shell script that reads from owfs and puts it into a rrd database
[15:38] <bagpuss_thecat> cool
[15:39] * bagpuss_thecat is just finishing his MQTT to PWM GPIO nonsense, and will then be hooking up his DS18B20 sensors
[15:39] <FR^2> hmm. I'm not really proud of it yet ;) Of course it works, but the rendering options rrdtool has are somewhat limited.
[15:40] <FR^2> Next thing is I really have to use a good soldering schema for the 1-wire network. At the moment there's just one DS18S20 connected using alligator clips ;)
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[15:44] <bagpuss_thecat> FR^2: hehehe
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[15:44] <bagpuss_thecat> I think I'll be using Cat5 with inline DS18B20s soldered onto the bus, with heatshrink where necessary
[15:45] <FR^2> bagpuss_thecat: It's told on several pages that the cable should not be twisted pair...
[15:45] <bagpuss_thecat> first bus is to have 4 devices, next bus will have 9, but on another Pi
[15:45] <bagpuss_thecat> oh, shit :-)
[15:45] <bagpuss_thecat> oh well
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[15:46] <bagpuss_thecat> FR^2: quite a lot of the literature I read uses twisted pair though...
[15:48] <bagpuss_thecat> http://www.1wire.org/Files/Articles/1-Wire-Design%20Guide%20v1.0.pdf for examplke
[15:48] <FR^2> bagpuss_thecat: Hmmhmm. As I understand, the 1-wire signal doesn't work well with the capacity that comes with such cable. But I've got no practical experience on how bad it gets
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[15:50] <bagpuss_thecat> a friend wired his house with cat5, and crimped the sensors directly inside RJ45 plugs. It works very well
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[15:50] <_OskaR_> i do that too myself works very well..
[15:50] <_OskaR_> eaven on spider net config..
[15:51] <_OskaR_> and i use 4 wire twisted phone line wire (2x2pair)
[15:51] <bagpuss_thecat> Maxims very own guideliness for reliable long 1-wire networks are written with twisted pair cat5 in mind
[15:51] <bagpuss_thecat> so I'd use Cat5 :-)
[15:52] <bagpuss_thecat> http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/148
[15:52] <FR^2> Okay :) Thanks!
[15:53] <bagpuss_thecat> have either of you tried connecting 1-wire bus cables with screw terminals? does that affect performance much?
[15:54] * bagpuss_thecat is actually likely to go with stub topology
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[15:58] <_OskaR_> you would NOT want anny statick on the lines so a VERY GOOD conection is requred. i use RJ12. and soldier as often as i can - if done well some screw terminals could be used but ...the line is only as good as the weakest link.
[15:59] <_OskaR_> alsow i tend to fill my made RJ12's with glue so wires are retained well
[15:59] <_OskaR_> bagpuss_thecat ?
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[16:02] <_OskaR_> another topic on that them. if one uses the RPI gpi for i2c/1-wire..
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[16:03] <_OskaR_> SHOULD one use some kind of filter or line transformer to avoid transducing "static" onto the ground plane of the Raspberry pi ???
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[16:04] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> generally not annissu
[16:04] <bagpuss_thecat> fair enough, will solder my connections
[16:04] * bagpuss_thecat can see this going horribly wrong, and himself losing track of what devices on the bus represent what rooms and areas :-)
[16:07] <Hexxeh> any testers for rpi-update around?
[16:09] <Hexxeh> can somebody download and test this please: hexxeh.net/rpi-update
[16:09] <Hexxeh> wget http://hexxeh.net/rpi-update -O rpi-update && chmod +x rpi-update && sudo rpi-update
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[16:11] <ryao> Hexxeh: Is that Google Chrome OS for the Raspberry Pi?
[16:11] <Hexxeh> no
[16:11] <_OskaR_> bagpuss_thecat - i made my sensors soldiered and crimped on to 20-30 cm pices of wire and then using a pice of clear cheap TAPE i wrote down the "serial" and then neatly wrapped the tape along and around the wire..
[16:11] <Hexxeh> it's just the rpi-update tool
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[16:12] <japro> uh, so are there any small displays to use with the pi that don't cost a fortune because they are like industrial strength oleds or whatever? it seems over here (switzerland) i cant find anything below 17''
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[16:12] <_OskaR_> using cheap RJ12 2pin connectors..
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[16:15] <_OskaR_> there are LCD's to use on the 1-wire buss....
[16:15] <[SLB]> that should be sudo ./rpi-update
[16:15] <[SLB]> testing
[16:15] <_OskaR_> but i gather your after "screens"
[16:15] <_OskaR_> japro ?
[16:15] <japro> yep
[16:16] <[SLB]> cp: cannot stat `//root/.rpi-firmware/*.elf': No such file or directory
[16:16] <japro> something along the lines of netbook sized ones or so
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[16:16] <_OskaR_> think there will be some devices soon but not seen it yet...japro
[16:16] <_OskaR_> (think - hope..
[16:16] <Hexxeh> [SLB]: Okay sec, lemme fix that
[16:16] <[SLB]> yups
[16:17] <passstab> Hexxeh, can i run RPI update on a minimal image? what are it's deps?
[16:18] <Hexxeh> [SLB]: Try now
[16:18] <Hexxeh> passstab: you need to have some firmware already installed
[16:18] <Hexxeh> it won't install new firmware if there's nothing there in the first place
[16:18] <[SLB]> updating
[16:19] <Hexxeh> updates should be much smaller now
[16:19] <[SLB]> done A reboot is needed to activate the new firmware
[16:19] <Hexxeh> there's only two elf files to download instead of one
[16:19] <Hexxeh> okay
[16:19] <Hexxeh> reboot
[16:19] <Hexxeh> then login and type free -m
[16:19] <Hexxeh> and tell me the output
[16:19] <[SLB]> oks moment
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[16:20] <[SLB]> btw i have a 256mb pi, did you need a 512 test or it's fine too?
[16:20] <passstab> i used http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[16:20] <Hexxeh> no, that's fine
[16:20] <[SLB]> okies, brb then reboot
[16:20] <Hexxeh> it should work equally on either
[16:20] <Hexxeh> ok
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[16:20] <passstab> it says it comes with the latest version of the FW
[16:21] <Hexxeh> give it a shot then
[16:21] <japro> _OskaR_, damn, ok maybe i can abuse one of those protable dvd players those sometimes have composite inputs
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[16:23] <[SLB]> total used free shared buffers cached
[16:23] <[SLB]> Mem: 232 102 129 0 11 59
[16:23] <[SLB]> -/+ buffers/cache: 31 200
[16:23] <[SLB]> Swap: 488 0 488
[16:23] <Hexxeh> do you have gpu_mem set in config.txt?
[16:23] <[SLB]> yes 16
[16:23] <Hexxeh> okay, ideally need somebody who doesn't have the latest firmware already to test
[16:24] <Hexxeh> somebody who still has the arm_224 etc
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[16:24] <[SLB]> to check the default?
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[16:24] <[SLB]> ah okies
[16:24] <[SLB]> i deleted them already
[16:24] <Hexxeh> just to make sure it deals with upgrades properly
[16:24] <Hexxeh> it should delete the old files that aren't needed already
[16:24] <[SLB]> ah eheh i see
[16:24] <_OskaR_> japro - yea altho composit gives a "shitty" res.
[16:25] <_OskaR_> what do you aim at displaying ..?
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[16:25] <japro> shouldn't that have been for "foul" language?:D
[16:26] <passstab> lol
[16:26] <Hexxeh> anyone else who hasn't updated firmware recently who can test this?
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[16:31] <atouk> problem?
[16:33] <Datalink> Hexxeh, I could post my raspbian image if you need, but my install's not even on the old kernel
[16:37] <WhiteBreath> Yay finish setting up a squid server
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[16:44] <Datalink> ugh, this is increasing in frustration...
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[16:45] <Datalink> woo finally configuring
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[16:52] <Benighted> datalink what are you working on today?
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> what gives in Pi land this fine Moanday afternoon?
[17:08] <atouk> afternoon, sir gordon
[17:10] <Hodapp> good day goldenDragon!
[17:10] <Hodapp> er gordonDrogon
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> heh..
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> if only that were an anagram of my name....
[17:14] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I'm compiling libcec again... finally got it to take
[17:14] <Hodapp> has your name many anagrams? So many O's in it...
[17:14] <Datalink> Golden Dragon is actually an asian resturant in my town...
[17:17] <Datalink> hm, I should update the blinkm make script to use pulsing blinkm scripts instead of just flat color sets
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> gordon/drogon/nodrog... no others really pronouncable to me.. groond... nah!
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[17:23] <Datalink> sigh, once libcec compiles successfully and starts working for the Pi, I'll have to then start working on making my wireless keyboard control my TV
[17:23] <geordie> gordonDrogon: godnor
[17:23] <geordie> norgod
[17:23] <Opinie> has anyone tried using the pi to watch tv?
[17:24] <Lexip> A bit hard to say if *anyone* has done it, I know I haven't.
[17:24] <Opinie> yeah, well that's what I mean
[17:24] <Opinie> does anyone know of anyone to have done that
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> Opinie, you mean via bbc itunes, etc.?
[17:24] <Lexip> Excellent question!
[17:25] <Opinie> I mean like DVB-T
[17:25] <Opinie> via usb
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> is there enough bandwidth to do it? I guess if you can stream from usb fast enough then dump it to the framebuffer fast enough then it might work...
[17:26] <linuxstb> Opinie: Yes, it works (I've only tried SD video, not HD). But HD works if you stream it from a PC.
[17:26] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: A typical SD DVB-T channel is only about 3Mbits/s
[17:27] <Opinie> linuxstb: what program did you use to watch tv?
[17:27] <Opinie> on the pi
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> well there you go then!
[17:27] <linuxstb> I used tvheadend as a server, and my own "pidvbip" application (which is still in a very buggy, very alpha state) as the client.
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[17:27] <linuxstb> But it may work with xbmc instead of pidvbip. There are also other solutions, such as vdr and vomp.
[17:28] <Opinie> right
[17:28] <linuxstb> But I think the short answer is that whilst it's possible, the software is still in an early state.
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[17:32] <digitlman> anybody else having issues with the 512MB and rpi-update no setting the memory split right?
[17:32] <digitlman> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/issues/37
[17:32] <digitlman> I added these lines
[17:32] <Opinie> linuxstb: so you'd assume that the applications are available, wouldn't work because they don't utilize Pi's GPU?
[17:32] <digitlman> I may have no added them correctly...dunno..it sitll wants a 192/64
[17:33] <Opinie> *taht
[17:33] <Opinie> *that
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[17:36] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~/git/libcec $ sudo cec-client -l
[17:36] <Datalink> libcec.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:36] <Datalink> sigh... so close
[17:37] <Datalink> digitlman, you're aware of the recent change moving the memory split into config.txt, right?
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[17:38] <Opinie> Datalink: can't you also configure the memory split from raspi-config?
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[17:38] <digitlman> nope
[17:39] <Datalink> Opinie, only if it's been updated with the firmware update on the 20th... old method was to copy a start.elf file for the right split but that's been changed entirely with he Oct20 firmware update
[17:39] <lorimer> Anyone else found that casual 'phone/etc' microUSB power supplies that are intended as chargers tend to produce only 4.5-4.7V?
[17:39] <digitlman> ahhh
[17:39] <digitlman> so, thats why it wouldn't boot after the last rpi-update
[17:39] <Datalink> lorimer, those power supplies are so varied that they range from underpowered to 'will fry the pi' overpowered
[17:39] <lorimer> i've burned through three (phone, tablet, and one i had laying around) and none could manage to get up over 4.7 -- so of course the pi shuts itself down after a bit
[17:39] <Opinie> Datalink: I guess I may have missed something about this particular case, but there definitely is a memory_split option in raspy-config.. at least in the version that I have
[17:40] <lorimer> ok, so people have had best luck with either the recommended one from allied via RSComponents or a "proper" one that's designed to give a full 5V/1A?
[17:40] <Opinie> *raspi-config
[17:40] <digitlman> so, how does one properly set the pi to use all the memory in the 512MB version?
[17:40] <digitlman> running raspbian
[17:40] <lorimer> or are a lot of people using voltage regulators somewhere in the chain? :)
[17:40] <Datalink> digitlman, grab the most recent firmware from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/ and optionally add gpu_mem=64 to the /boot/config.txt or your prefered memory split
[17:41] <Datalink> lollo64it, I use a Griffin 2 port USB charger for mine... good for 100-240v operation, went to Iraq and came back, got it for quality rather than cost
[17:42] <Opinie> Datalink: umm.. wouldn't just updating his firmware work as well?
[17:42] <Opinie> sorry to contradict, but I'm just asking
[17:42] <Datalink> Opinie, not if it's not booting...
[17:42] <Opinie> oh right
[17:42] <digitlman> mine is booting again now
[17:42] <Datalink> you can do the update I suggested from anything with an SD card :D
[17:42] <Opinie> yeah never mind me
[17:42] <digitlman> I re-flashed raspion to the sd ard
[17:43] <lorimer> Datalink: Good enough; sounds like it's time to go searching for quality then. Thanks
[17:43] <Datalink> digitlman, aww, didn't need to do that, hope you didn't loose anything with that
[17:43] <digitlman> no it's ok
[17:43] <digitlman> ;-)
[17:43] <Datalink> lorimer, yeah, a lot are 'okay' but you want good for the Pi since the Pi's filtering is... not ideal
[17:43] <digitlman> my root is on a usb drive
[17:44] <Datalink> digitlman, ah, you're using that method, okay, though you can fix boot issues in Windows or Mac due to it being a fat filesystem
[17:44] <digitlman> yeah
[17:44] <digitlman> what's the best way to grab these new firmware files?
[17:44] <Opinie> by the way, does anyone know, if there's a way to determine, how fast it's possible to overclock the pi without corrupting the SD? The speed of the SD affects, how much it can be over clocked?
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> not tried the new 'turbo' overclocking yet?
[17:45] <Opinie> yeah, I have.. corrupted the SD with that
[17:45] <Datalink> digitlman, I've actually got a git update thing set up in my /boot/ directory now but you can grab the git clone from the main firmware directory or download
[17:45] <linuxstb> Opinie: Yes, existing DVB viewing applications will need to be adapted to use the Pi's GPU for MPEG2/H264playback.
[17:45] <digitlman> ok
[17:46] <Opinie> linuxstb: alright
[17:46] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I've heard mixed stuff on that, I don't need it so I haven't looked into it myself...
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> Opinie, oh... wow... can't say I've seen any SD corruption at all - well after the first week or 2... way back..
[17:46] <linuxstb> Opinie: xbmc is probably the best of the current bunch. That requires a "backend", which you can also run on the same Pi if you wish, but it's probably better to run the backend on a more powerful machine, with a big disk (for DVR functionality).
[17:46] <Datalink> my Pi's still chugging away, my spare SD card's... been corrupted more by me than my Pi
[17:47] <Opinie> gordonDrogon: well, I'm not actually sure what happened, but my Pi wouldn't boot afterwards, and re-flashing the SD fixed it
[17:47] <linuxstb> Opinie: "tvheadend" is such a backend.
[17:47] <linuxstb> (vdr and mythtv are others)
[17:47] <Opinie> linuxstb: ok, thanks
[17:47] <Datalink> I need to find my 1gig SD cards, my 4 gig's case is split... annoyingly
[17:48] <linuxstb> Opinie: My setup will be a server with DVB-T/T2/S/S2 tuners, and then one Pi attached to each TV in the house.
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[17:49] <Opinie> linuxstb: sounds good :) you mean to accomplish that with the program you're writing?
[17:49] * bagpuss_thecat is looking forward to getting his Elgato Netstream DVB-S2 box, to stream to XBMC
[17:50] <Opinie> gordonDrogon: mine, supposedly, corrupted within the first 12 hours
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> I might just be lucky - again - then.
[17:51] <Opinie> is it really even possible that my SD corrupted, considering it still works fine?
[17:51] <Datalink> filesystem may have just borked
[17:52] <Opinie> I figured it'd be something like that yeah
[17:52] <SIFTU> Opinie: my filesystem corrupted with "turbo" too, but seems stable at 900Mhz
[17:52] <Opinie> k
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[17:52] <Opinie> wouldn't it be possible to determine, how much it's possible to overclock considering, what kind of card you're using
[17:52] <Opinie> *?
[17:53] <SIFTU> Opinie: no idea, i just leave it at 900Mhz now
[17:53] <Datalink> Opinie, you're welcome to start gathering info on that database if you want...
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> someone owuld need to sit down and make a table of tested cards & speeds ...
[17:53] <Datalink> it'd take a couple thousand samples
[17:53] <Opinie> right
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[17:53] <Datalink> per card brand, ideally
[17:54] <Opinie> maybe it'd be easiest to just collect users experiences somewhere
[17:54] <Datalink> I need to add my card model as working on the wiki some day
[17:54] <digitlman> ok, running on that firmware...seems to be happier abouut the memory
[17:54] <digitlman> Memory: 448872k/448872k available, 9880k reserved, 0K highmem
[17:55] <Datalink> awesome :D
[17:55] <digitlman> thanks for the help
[17:55] <Datalink> np
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[17:56] <Datalink> I still wonder how I wandered in here so recently and became one of the sages of the channel... is it just cause the platform's so new or is it cause I'm not as dumb as my college professors would have me believe?
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[17:57] <Opinie> Datalink: maybe you just have bad professors
[17:57] <Datalink> that or I need to start doing the school work... that might help
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[17:58] <Opinie> but??? we need sages...
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[17:59] <Datalink> true... at this point folks like gordonDrogon, the other folks who've helped others and I are there to make more sages, I'd think... in a few years people we help are very likely to be helping others with their Pi related troubles
[18:00] <Datalink> or other electronics and computer gear through what they've learned on the Pi
[18:01] <Opinie> yeah
[18:01] <Slippern> anyone have compiled spotyxbmc2 on a rpi?
[18:02] <nemo> Does anyone happen to know the state of GLES on the RPI - either X support in some form, or in SDL?
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[18:02] <nemo> I know of some hacks, that popped up almost immediately
[18:02] <Datalink> well, shit... now omxplayer's not working again
[18:02] <nemo> I was just wondering if anything more substantial had been done
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[18:03] <Datalink> .... the hell removed libwfc
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[18:06] <Datalink> well... poop
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[18:08] <linuxstb> Opinie: Yes, I plan to run my software on the Pis, with tvheadend on the server.
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[18:10] <Datalink> Hexxeh, does your script grab the /opt libraries as well as the /boot stuff?
[18:11] <Datalink> oh cool it does
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[18:13] <Opinie> linuxstb: care to msg me when you've finished writing the program or is there some website I could follow?
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[18:24] <linuxstb> Opinie: The code is at https://github.com/linuxstb/pidvbip/
[18:25] <Opinie> ok
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[18:25] <linuxstb> I can normally be found in #hts - the IRC channel for tvheadend, and discuss my app there sometimes.
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[18:26] <Datalink> linuxstb, is there some reason you can't handle multiple networks/channels
[18:26] <Datalink> I'm usually in a dozen channels... on average...
[18:26] <Datalink> then again I have a name to live up to...
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[18:27] <linuxstb> Datalink: What do you mean?
[18:27] <FR^2> Datalink: Your second name is "broadband"? ;)
[18:27] <FernandoCunhaJR> hi all! does en1 here installed uae4all on a Wheezy RPI and it's working fine?
[18:28] <Datalink> FR^2, data link... a network connection...
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[18:28] <FR^2> Datalink: Yes, but since you are on several channels, you not just any data link ;)
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[18:30] <Datalink> FernandoCunhaJR, a few folks have gotten uae4all and other UAE 68k emulators to work on the Pi, I have't myself but reportedly A500 is near real speed
[18:31] <Datalink> there's also an active effort to find a way to legally license the kickstart roms for the Pi, but I don't know the progress there
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[18:39] <FernandoCunhaJR> tks Datalink. I have my original roms here, but when I try to run any ADF, it just crashes :(
[18:40] <Datalink> FernandoCunhaJR, are you using a binary or a source compiled copy of UAE?
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[18:42] <Datalink> I lost my kickstarts in an old computer crash, and my A1K's not running anymore so I can't do much to help test this, I'm afraid
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[18:52] <FernandoCunhaJR> Datalink, I'm using a source compiled copy.
[18:53] <FernandoCunhaJR> Datalink, I'm trying to make my RPI works like an A500, using the same keyboard. I don't have this kind of interface yet, but I'll have :)
[18:53] <FernandoCunhaJR> and I'm also working on the same thing on my old MSX
[18:53] <Datalink> FernandoCunhaJR, cool, wish I could help on this more, but I lack recent experience with UAE clients
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[18:54] <gordonDrogon> if anyones intersted in the PiFace, then: https://projects.drogon.net/piface-mk2/
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[18:56] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, dremel+picase...
[18:56] <Datalink> I'm gonna have to take off the top 3 slices of my pi when I go into hardware level tests, but I'm still in the design phase, stupid school
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[18:58] <FernandoCunhaJR> I'll post the results I have into a blog later this week
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[19:14] <Datalink> ever have one of those moments where unplugging and replugging something seems the ideal option?
[19:15] <Datalink> datalink@spindrift ~/git/libcec $ sudo apt-get -y remove cec-utils libcec1 libcec-dev&&sudo apt-get -y install cec-utils libcec1 libcec-dev
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[19:15] <Datalink> which resulted in a cec device registering properly
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[19:17] <Dynetrekk> I've set up my pi as a server at home, running 24/7. its load seems to always be at least 1. any explanation?
[19:17] <Vegar> Dynetrekk: what does it run?
[19:18] <Dynetrekk> well, ssh
[19:18] <Dynetrekk> and irssi in a screen :P
[19:18] <Vegar> anything sticking out in "top"?
[19:18] <Datalink> Dynetrekk, at least 1? as in 1%?
[19:18] <Dynetrekk> it's just that sometimes I can solve a problem at work using my pi for 5 minutes
[19:18] <axion> i use my pi as a server, media player, thin client, and dev box and my loads are 0.6 - 0.75
[19:18] <Dynetrekk> the load is 1. as in, type "w" in bash, and it says 1.05 ish
[19:18] <Datalink> oh hammered load... is X11 running?
[19:19] <Dynetrekk> hm, not sure. I thought I managed to uninstall everything GUI
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[19:19] <Dynetrekk> ps aux says nothing with x in it is running
[19:19] <Datalink> Dynetrekk, I just disabled mine...
[19:20] <Datalink> anything big show up in ps aux? while you're there
[19:20] <axion> and which daemons are running?
[19:20] <Dynetrekk> Datalink: I'd rather have the disk space than X11 so I've uninstalled it. wondering why the load is still so high
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[19:20] <Dynetrekk> ssh, afaik?
[19:20] <Dynetrekk> and irssi
[19:20] <Dynetrekk> is running in a screen
[19:20] <axion> you dont need a lot of default daemons such as crond
[19:20] <Datalink> irssi shouldn't be hammering that hard...
[19:20] <Datalink> ymmv on that one, axion, I abu... I mean, I use crontab a bit
[19:20] <Dynetrekk> well I can't see anything in CPU usage when using top
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[19:21] <Datalink> wicd is the highest on mine when not running videos
[19:21] <Dynetrekk> ah, wicd is running I guess...
[19:21] <Datalink> Dynetrekk, what's your RAM split?
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[19:21] <Dynetrekk> no wait, that's on my other box
[19:21] <axion> check dmesg, there could be a lot f interrupts
[19:22] <Dynetrekk> 192/64 is my ram split
[19:22] <axion> im using 128/128
[19:22] <Datalink> hm, same as mine... I would do a daemon audit.... you could probably lower yours if you don't use video at all
[19:23] <Vegar> Dynetrekk: how much swap do you use?
[19:23] <Vegar> (paste output of free)
[19:23] <Dynetrekk> dmesg doesn??t tell me anything
[19:24] <Dynetrekk> Vegar: https://gist.github.com/561986b7f0e8ae1b5dec
[19:24] <Datalink> that'd be no swap... hm
[19:24] <Dynetrekk> Datalink: I guess I could use everything for non-video. it's just not convenient for me to use it on a screen anyway
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[19:24] <Vegar> Dynetrekk: df -h too
[19:24] <Dynetrekk> anyway I have enough ram for the moment
[19:25] <Dynetrekk> https://gist.github.com/561986b7f0e8ae1b5dec#comments
[19:25] <Datalink> Dynetrekk, it's up to you, ultimately, I use mine for videos, if you do alright it's not vital
[19:26] <Dynetrekk> Datalink: I'll leave it until I need it, in case I want to connect it to a display
[19:26] <Dynetrekk> looks like I've got enough disk space, too
[19:27] <Dynetrekk> brb, I'll try a reboot
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[19:27] <Datalink> Dynetrekk, this suggestion pegs on the fact that you need to not be using it to chat with us... shut off irssi and see how it... never mind
[19:27] <Datalink> irssi shouldn't be pegging a processor, should it?
[19:28] <axion> everything should but negligible...i use weechat which is slightly more cpu intensive and i have much lower loads
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[19:29] <Datalink> ok, so shouldn't be irssi... hm, I'm stumped on this one, he's in a server config but it's showing desktop loads...
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[19:30] <biberao> hi
[19:31] <Datalink> yo
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[19:31] <Datalink> hm, what should I have for lunch...
[19:31] <axion> pie
[19:31] <Datalink> what flavor pie?
[19:32] <Caver> pork
[19:32] <biberao> hey
[19:32] <biberao> Datalink: ill have to edit the img file directly
[19:32] <axion> shnauzberry
[19:32] <Datalink> folks need to watch more random youtube videos...
[19:33] <biberao> why
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[19:33] <Datalink> biberao, img file? the raspbian distro image?
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[19:33] <Datalink> biberao, my question was a reference to one, I just forget the name of it right now...
[19:33] <biberao> yes
[19:33] <biberao> the raspbian
[19:33] <Caver> erm had the gertboard stopped being sold or something?
[19:33] <Datalink> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDtgLn52vhI asdf the movie
[19:34] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, question about your gertboard
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[19:34] <Datalink> snirk, I should redo that flash sometime with a RPi
[19:35] <biberao> flashing what
[19:36] <Caver> gordonDrogon, did you see that there is a port of a realtime OS for the Pi now?
[19:36] <Datalink> asdf the movie was originally a flash video posted on Newgrounds.com
[19:37] <Datalink> Caver, which one?
[19:37] <Caver> ChibiOS/RT
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[19:37] <Caver> http://www.stevebate.net/chibios-rpi/GettingStarted.html
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[19:39] <atouk> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/pie/
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[19:40] <biberao> im making a router on my rasp
[19:40] <biberao> lol
[19:40] <Datalink> atouk, you've found the flash vid that sums up this channel so well :P
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[19:41] <bertrik> atouk: brilliant!
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[19:43] <atouk> pi status page is now board version aware and will show proper pinouts depending on board (board ver 4 changed some pins and added secondary GPIO)
[19:43] <Caver> does anyone know abou the gertboard?
[19:44] <Datalink> atouk, got the latest download? I'm about to put it on mine
[19:44] <Datalink> also did you fix the DNCs?
[19:44] <atouk> yup for ver 4
[19:44] <Datalink> woo
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[19:45] <Datalink> atouk, what's the URL? I wanna grab the update XD
[19:45] <atouk> http://69.118.23.127:8000
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[19:47] <Vegar> what ram split is recommended for 1080p playback?
[19:48] <tero> Vegar gpu need at least 64MB
[19:48] <biberao> Datalink: i wont need to add the sshd at boot first time since rca will be detected auto?
[19:48] <axion> static ip?
[19:49] <Datalink> biberao, if you have a keyboard you can use with USB and a TV you'll be good, I was suggesting enabling SSH on the grounds you didn't have an RCA capable TV
[19:50] <biberao> Datalink: rca i have a few
[19:50] <biberao> Datalink: if i didnt have a rca capable i couldnt do much with xbmc right hehe
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, what about the gertboard?
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[19:52] <Caver> must have fallen asleep!
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> Caver, looks good - not sure how they get round the GPU/Memory refersh pauses though, but it's a start.
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[19:53] <Caver> yeah ... am eager to try it
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough, I'm not...
[19:53] <Caver> hmm isn't the memory/cpu refresh interleaved, like on the old beeb?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> I don't think so - but that's from skim-reading the thread on the pi analyser project.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> and other bits & pieces on the forums.
[19:54] <Caver> nod
[19:54] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, Caver was wondering if it was discontinued or still being made
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> ah, hard to tell.
[19:54] <Caver> yeah!
[19:55] <Caver> well more oddly I have 3 ... am I unnatural horder, who should be burnt at the stake :P
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> from what I can gather/guess, it seems like Farnell have decided to stop selling the kits because the pre-made one will be avalable "soon", but how soon is anyones guess.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> 3 gertboards??
[19:55] <Caver> yes
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> wow. I have one, but not got a good use for it right now.
[19:55] <Caver> well I got 1 from tandy, one from farnel, and my otherhalf got one too
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> Tandy are still selling them.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:56] <Caver> I am starting to feel guilty that I've deprived people!
[19:56] <Caver> I erm did fuck up slightly :P
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I wouldn't.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I'd not wory about it.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I got mine free, so ...
[19:56] <Caver> the 1st one I soldered all the LED's in upside down :$
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[19:56] <Matt> gordonDrogon: do they not understand that kits are fun?
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[19:56] <Caver> which idiot put the logo on the screen print upside down .... grrr
[19:56] <biberao> Datalink: i couldnt fix the memory card reader
[19:56] <biberao> :|
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> isn't the silkscreen the wrong way round anyway?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> I got mine hand-assembled by Gert....
[19:57] <Datalink> biberao, odd... ick
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> Matt, I know... very odd!
[19:57] <biberao> ya
[19:57] <biberao> its sad why it behaves like that
[19:57] <Matt> which reminds me
[19:57] <Matt> I need to strip down my mobile phone and fix this broken button
[19:57] <Caver> yup ... 1st time I've had to desolder in a long time
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> it has a bar (-) under the LED hole - and that's the +ve AIUI...
[19:58] <Matt> solder joins have come detached at two points, so the switch doesn't work anymore :)
[19:58] <Caver> so ... mine 1st one is now complete with bodge wires where the track lifted
[19:58] <Vegar> atouk: where does that spinning logo come from?
[19:58] <biberao> any other advise Datalink ?
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[19:58] <Caver> well it's the opisite way around from how the tandy diagram is!
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> never mind - you can but a rasbperryLadder kit soon ;-)
[19:59] <biberao> gordonDrogon: help me fix my memory card reader
[19:59] <biberao> :p
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[19:59] <atouk> broken card holder?
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> biberao, how?
[20:00] <Datalink> atouk, one fo his SD readers is stuck in read only mode...
[20:00] <Datalink> biberao, maybe that one's honoring the SD card's write slide?
[20:00] <biberao> whats "honoring"?
[20:00] <atouk> any good hammer shoud be able to fix that
[20:00] <Datalink> I discovered my Kingston SD doesn't even support that
[20:01] <Datalink> actually paying attention to if the lock pin's shorted to ground or not (I think it's ground)
[20:01] <Datalink> some readers don't care, others honor it, see if the SD card's unlocked
[20:01] <Datalink> I'm gonna head out for food soon, trying to think of what I want to eat..
[20:01] <biberao> the sd card pin
[20:02] <biberao> isnt locked
[20:02] <Datalink> okay
[20:02] <biberao> since i put in another reader
[20:02] <Hodapp> How long till SD cards are simply sold in stores in bulk, in the bins with a scoop the same way you'd buy pin oats or nuts?
[20:02] <biberao> and it doesnt get write protected
[20:02] <Datalink> I'm honestly unsure then
[20:02] <biberao> atouk: breaking he memory card reader?
[20:02] <biberao> :X
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[20:02] <Datalink> Hodapp, do you know how annoying it'd be for the associates to re-sort them after some NASCAR fan dumped the 5 gig cards in the 1 gig bin?
[20:03] <Datalink> er, 4 gig not 5... they don't come in 5 gig...
[20:03] <atouk> well, it's already half broken,might as well finish the job. anything less than 100% is unacceptable
[20:03] <biberao> atouk: fail
[20:03] <biberao> :P
[20:03] <Hodapp> Datalink: eh, why worry? Just color-code them and don't worry about the tiny price difference.
[20:04] <Datalink> Hodapp, ah... heh
[20:04] <biberao> Hodapp: are you lost from facebook hq?
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[20:04] <Hodapp> I think Sussman talked about something similar in one of his lectures, but about when you'd be able to get computing power the same way
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[20:04] <Hodapp> just buy a bucket of CPUs and smear them on your problem
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[20:05] <Datalink> I love when people forget about supply and demand having a supply component
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[20:07] <Hodapp> Datalink: bah?
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[20:10] <Datalink> maybe when we have carbon as a substrate instead of silicon
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[20:11] <axion> atouk: does it specify softfp/hard or the distro on the stats?
[20:11] <biberao> bye bbl
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[20:15] <Datalink> hm, I'm going to need to work out a cec system... ugh.
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[20:18] <Datalink> second I actually get to 'log out and go somewhere' it starts raining... sigh
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[20:18] <Datalink> I hate being a pedestrian...
[20:19] <nid0> cars are great!
[20:19] <NucWin> till they break
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[20:22] <SpeedEvil> I cannot comment on my opinions of busses on this channel
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[20:32] <bertrik> I should just be able to hook a 3.3V i2c device on the i2c pins of the raspberry pi, then do i2cdetect to see it on the bus, right?
[20:38] <scummos> yes
[20:38] <scummos> make sure it doesn't draw too much current tough
[20:38] <scummos> 2mA are okay in any case
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[20:58] <saturation> hi hi, whats up people?
[20:58] <scummos> not much
[20:59] <saturation> :(
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[21:01] <saturation> I am just configuring my raspberrypi to use cs-17 with pppd
[21:02] <saturation> anyone with knowledge, can this ever be "robust"?
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[21:04] <gordonDrogon> saturation, pppd?
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> I have Linux servers that have run pppd for months at a time..
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> although I guess I ought to call them routers than servers...
[21:05] <saturation> yea pppd or some other
[21:06] <saturation> atleast there is good tutorial on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/3G_and_GPRS_modems_with_pppd
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[21:11] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: am I going mental? trying to read the PWM value from a pin - is it possible? Previously set with gpio -g mode 18 pwm ; gpio -g pwm 18 512
[21:11] <bagpuss_thecat> I could swear I've done it at some point, but can't remember
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> bagpuss_thecat, it's not possible to read it back - not with wiringPI, anyway.
[21:12] <bagpuss_thecat> ah, sorted then :-) thank you
[21:12] <bagpuss_thecat> is for a wrapper script anyway, so I'll just store the value somewhere
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[21:12] <gordonDrogon> good move.
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[21:13] <gordonDrogon> not sure what it will read back - probably the last value written to the pin as an output.
[21:13] <bagpuss_thecat> that's certainly what sysfs returns :-)
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> the pwm register is in a different location.
[21:13] <bagpuss_thecat> cool
[21:13] <bagpuss_thecat> glad I'm not going a bit loopy
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[21:14] <bertrik> yay, my i2c device is detected :)
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[21:15] <bagpuss_thecat> \o/
[21:15] <saturation> bertrik: what is that?
[21:15] <bertrik> saturation: just a temperature sensor, a DS1621
[21:16] <saturation> neat :)
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[21:35] <halindrome> this is going to sound stupid, but is there a doc somewhere on how to use the i386 cross compiling toolchain from github ?
[21:37] <biberao> hi
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[21:38] <des2> http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/a-good-compromise-cross-compiling-with-distcc/
[21:39] <des2> Cross compiling with distcc doc
[21:39] <halindrome> thanks
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[21:40] <biberao> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation <-?
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[21:46] <biberao> hi
[21:55] <int3nz0r> what's the recommended type of micro usb adapter to power the pi? 2000ma?
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[21:55] <des2> The PI has a 1.1A polyfuse on input.
[21:55] <des2> So you need a reliable 1.1A for maximum current.
[21:56] <des2> 2 A would be nice for some breathing room
[21:56] <int3nz0r> ok thanks!
[21:56] <IT_Sean> You can use a supply that can provide greater than 1.1 a, but, there will be no benefit.
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[23:03] <teh_orph> evenin'
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[23:24] <Dayofswords> has there been any benchmarks of the Pi?
[23:25] <Mehhh> Only slow ones.
[23:26] <hotwings> lol
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> the pi made a mark on my bench when I moved it and it scratched it.
[23:28] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, you shouldn't drag a raw pcb along your desk then
[23:28] <Datalink> ....
[23:28] <Datalink> oh... haha
[23:29] <biberao> yyoo
[23:29] <Datalink> Dayofswords, it took me 7 hours for a 'compile the kernel'
[23:29] <Datalink> I didn't think to actually time it though, so that's aproximate
[23:29] <Datalink> also was affected by youtube
[23:31] <Dayofswords> Datalink: isn't a normal compile time around 20-30 minutes?
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, 7 hours? wow.. It only took me just over 2..
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> (on a 900MHz Pi that is)
[23:32] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, again, youtube, other stuff, stock MHz
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[23:32] <Dayofswords> just wait til gentoo fo RPi (Pitoo or something)
[23:33] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance has some benchmarks
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> hasn't Gentoo already been done? I'm sure someone here was using it recently...
[23:33] <Datalink> Dayofswords, Gentoo should already run on the pi... though some gentoo neckbeard's going on about how it's not a true gentoo because it's got binary blobs
[23:34] <chithead> also gentoo already works on the rpi, and you can use the normal armv6-hardfp stage3. no special install image needed, though some users made one anyway
[23:34] <chithead> you need 3 proprietary firmware files for booting, everything else proprietary is optional
[23:35] <nid0> i've done an awful lot of on-pi kernel compiles now, depending whats in, theyre about 2-3 these days with a moderately overclocked pi
[23:35] <nid0> you can cut subsequent compiles down massively with ccache
[23:36] <nid0> 2-3 hours, that is
[23:36] <Datalink> I should add ccache to my pi
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> my kernel was quite dramatically cut down - came out at 2MB binary and no modules. no idea why the foundations sits at about 5.5MB
[23:37] <nid0> theres a lot in it :P
[23:37] <Tachyon`> you can cut it down a hell of a lot
[23:37] <Tachyon`> if you know what hardware you're going to use
[23:37] <Tachyon`> they don'tr
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> it annoys me that they haven't compiled in ipv6.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I dropped most of the usb and wifi stuff.
[23:38] <Tachyon`> I wonder if my new mifi will do IPv6
[23:38] <Tachyon`> should be here tomorrow
[23:38] <Datalink> ....
[23:39] <Tachyon`> (wearable computing is all very well but you need a wearable net connection too)
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> and a wearable batery ...
[23:39] <Datalink> wow, it doesn't have 6
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> rather than a "luggable" one...
[23:39] <Tachyon`> yeah, I realise it's two radios not really needed
[23:39] <Datalink> ugh
[23:39] <Tachyon`> but they dont' use that much
[23:39] <Tachyon`> my pandora can run for 13 hours on a charge these days
[23:39] <Tachyon`> and that has an LCD to power
[23:39] <Datalink> Tachyon`, wifi tends to depend on the parent stack
[23:40] <Datalink> so the kernel's a factor, not the network card... unless that's where the network stack is
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[23:51] <spadusa> So. Does anyone know anything about the following message: Kernel panic - not syncing: stack-protector: Kernel stack is corrupted in: c059e4e8?
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[23:52] <Shift_> Did you compile the kernel yourself?
[23:52] <spadusa> No. I did add Qt to it, though.
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[23:53] <spadusa> I followed the instructions on http://qt-project.org/wiki/RaspberryPi_Beginners_guide
[23:54] <spadusa> I had another version of wheezy on it, though.
[23:54] <spadusa> And I did dd overtop it.
[23:54] <spadusa> Should I have cleared the whole thing first?
[23:54] <Shift_> nuh, that shouldn't matter
[23:55] <spadusa> Ok. Then any other ideas?
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[23:55] <Shift_> Looks like a bad kernel config to me, but I don't know.
[23:55] <spadusa> Would the Qt installation process change the kernel config?
[23:56] <Shift_> I don't know, I am still reading the steps
[23:56] <qrwteyrutiyoup> it shouldn't
[23:56] <spadusa> I got down to the dd. Right above "Configuring Qt Creator"
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[23:57] <Shift_> yeah it doesn't seem to touch the kernel at all, so I have no idea
[23:57] <spadusa> Blast.
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[23:59] <Shift_> if you dd the vanilla 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.img without making any changes, does it work?

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