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IRC Log for 2012-10-23

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[0:00] <qrwteyrutiyoup> and you should be able to use a more recent wheezy snapshot as well (I suppose there is a newer one, no?)
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[0:03] <spadusa> I used the newer one.
[0:03] <spadusa> I'll need to download the vanilla image again, though.
[0:03] <spadusa> I don't have a copy unchanged.
[0:03] <Cheery> is there good opengl python bindings for raspberry pi yet?
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[0:04] <spadusa> Is there any reason not to use the QtonPi distro available on the raspberrypi.org/downloads?
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[0:06] <qrwteyrutiyoup> I guess it stopped being updated, spadusa. I am not sure, but I believe I read something about the efforts being directed to the wheezy distro, as in, it would provide the qt packages there, so there was no need to duplicate the efforts.
[0:06] <qrwteyrutiyoup> I am guessing you are compiling just for like learning how it works, as there should be snapshots available somewhere? (not really sure, since I dont use it)
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[0:07] <spadusa> Honestly, I was just going to use it to write a GUI for a project I'm working on.
[0:07] <spadusa> This took me the last two days to get working, though, and it still isn't working. So could you recommend a better way to write a GUI on the RaspPi other than Qt?
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[0:09] <Shift_> Why not use a version of Qt that's included in the distros?
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[0:09] <spadusa> Didn't know there WAS a version included.
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[0:09] <Shift_> I'd imagine that there would have to be, since a lot of programs use it.
[0:10] <qrwteyrutiyoup> this page http://qt-project.org/wiki/RaspberryPi lists "Installing Qt 5 nightlies from the repo". check it out :)
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[0:12] <spadusa> I saw it.
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[0:13] <spadusa> Hm.
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[0:13] <spadusa> That partition is gone now.
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[0:17] <Shift_> excuse my ignorance but why not just use plain ol qt4 with X11?
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[0:17] <spadusa> Again, because I didn't know qt4 was included.
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[0:18] <spadusa> I might just use PHP, though, and make it web based.
[0:18] <Shift_> ah ok
[0:18] <lotia-away> hi all. if I have a ligreetings all. anyone here running archlinux on a 512MB Pi?
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[0:21] <Shift_> lotia, might be best to just ask the question and see if anyone answers. It's a bit quiet around this time here.
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[0:27] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[0:31] <lotia> Have a class 10 SanDisk 32GB Ultra SD card which wont't boot ArchLinux on a 512MB Pi. The card simply doesn't boot. What's the best way to get debug info on that?
[0:32] <TheSeven> lotia: only the red led is on? no green blinking or anything?
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[0:34] <linuxstb> lotia: Do other SD cards work? Do other distros on the same SD card work?
[0:34] <lotia> TheSeven: alas yes
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[0:34] <lotia> linuxstb: The standard raspbian I received with the pi works fine on a 4gb card
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[0:35] <recantha> Good evening?
[0:35] <TheSeven> lotia: and the same image on the 32GB card doesn't work?
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[0:36] <lotia> TheSeven: going to try that next. I hope it isn't the card. i scoured the elinux wiki before ordering.
[0:37] <lotia> TheSeven: never mind.
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[0:38] <recantha> Could the card be faulty rather than incompatible, or does it work apart from that?
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[0:38] <lotia> I was being overly clever and trying to upgrade to the latest fimware before first boot because the notes mentioned laterst firmware
[0:38] <recantha> Ah. Yes, probably not the best idea ;)
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[0:41] <lotia> thanks all for your help.
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[0:47] <lotia> was just thrown off because it mentioned requiring a firmware update before the system was bootable off the sd card i was using.
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[0:52] <lotia> darn pi won't boot after upgrading to latest arch linux
[0:53] <ShiftPlusOne> lotia what happens exactly? Anything on the screen at all?
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[0:55] <SpeedEvil> does it smell faintly of elderberries?
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[0:58] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: nope. nothing screen never starts up.
[0:58] <lotia> left most light green. next light red.
[0:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I think that's a pretty clear SD card issue.
[0:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I would maybe blow on the card and into the slot (without spitting) and put the card in a few times to make sure the contact is solid, but I don't think that will do anything.
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[1:02] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: funnily enough, it booted fine before the update.
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> can you "ls -la" on the sdcard?
[1:02] <ShiftPlusOne> assuming you're running linux
[1:04] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: running os X
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> should be fine, just launch the terminal, go to where the card is mounted and pastebin the output
[1:05] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: do you want to see the bott partition?
[1:05] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: boot even?
[1:05] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> where the firmware is
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[1:07] <lotia> https://gist.github.com/3935346
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> =/
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[1:10] <ShiftPlusOne> looks fine to me, I can't think of anything else.
[1:10] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: Wonder if it's a bad kernel or something.
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[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> could be, but you didn't replace the kernel, did you?
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think it gets that far. You'd be seeing a bit more flickering on the LEDs I think.
[1:13] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: I didn't, but the installer did.
[1:14] <lotia> sorry package manager.
[1:14] <lotia> no worries. this is part of the fun.
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> What did you do exactly? Install arch, then do a pacman update, restart and it stopped working?
[1:15] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: correct.
[1:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe copy the firmware files from here and see what happens https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
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[1:17] <ShiftPlusOne> leaving the kernel and if that doesn't work, try replacing the kernel as well.
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[1:21] <lotia> ShiftPlusOne: Have already tried to replace the firmware, that seems to break it.
[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I give up >=/
[1:23] <axion> anyone manage to use the framebuffer to display 256 tty console colors without X, using fbterm or similar?
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[1:24] <Datalink> haven't tried
[1:24] <Datalink> will when I get home again
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[1:51] <jcims> hey folks, i just got a usb serial cable for receiving data from a Current Cost EnviR receiver. i seem to be losing data quite a bit, however, and am wondering if there is anything i can do to avoid data loss
[1:52] <jcims> port runs at 57.6
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[1:55] <netman87> i think ill order RPi now that there is 512MB ram
[1:55] <netman87> how much better does it run X now? how about Xorg 2D/3D acceleration? still no driver, yes?
[1:56] <netman87> just wondering if i should order 1 or 2
[1:56] <ackthet> anybody here know which releases of OpenELEC work well?
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[1:59] <Benighted> anywhere that ships to canada accepting orders yet?
[1:59] <atouk> i got an email from newark today for preorders
[2:00] <Benighted> is there any word on the USB driver issue?
[2:00] <Benighted> on the 512 version?
[2:00] <atouk> haven't heard there was one...
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[2:01] <Datalink> Benighted, I'm not familiar with a driver issue, if there is one, it may be a device not in the kernel but raspbian includes like... everything now... in some way or another for usb
[2:01] <Datalink> I didn't even have to enable my TV tuner card (though I haven't tried it yet)
[2:02] <atouk> the builds for the pi are getting mature extremely fase
[2:02] <atouk> (fast)
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[2:11] <Benighted> there was a bit about it on slashdot and adafruit just curious
[2:11] <Benighted> I personally haven't used usb for much, noticed a bit of sticking but nothing major
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[2:12] <Datalink> only problem I have is the power issues
[2:12] <atouk> i swithc back and forth beteen a wifi dongle and a ireless kbd/mouse one, and am running rootfs from a thumb drive without any issues
[2:13] <Datalink> I once rebooted my pi with my wifi dongle today
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[2:26] <des2> It rebooted when you plugged in the wifi dongle ?
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[2:27] <atouk> power surge dropped the voltage below the happy level
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[2:39] <mike007> does anyone know why my 512MB pi only shows 256mb ram in rasp-config? I downloaded the latests weezy iso
[2:40] <steve_rox> did they release updated firmware for the 512 yet?
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[2:40] <atouk> rpi-update?
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[2:47] <mkopack> Hey gang!!!! LTNS!!!!
[2:47] <uncola> hi mkopack
[2:47] <uncola> what have you been doing with your rpi lately?
[2:47] <uncola> fill us in
[2:48] <mkopack> I haven't been able to get into here in MONTHS??? Never could figure out how to register my Nick. Was totally thrown off when they started forcing it....
[2:48] <mike007> i'll try that
[2:48] <mkopack> eh, well, I did some work to help everyone get Robot OS (ROS) working on it, and I've set 1 up as a game emulator machine??? Stella, Vice64, need to get MAME on it as well
[2:49] <mkopack> I have a 512MB unit on the way??? should get here tomorrow or Wed
[2:50] <uncola> mine got here saturday night
[2:50] <mkopack> I'm hoping the 512MB will be helpful with ROS.
[2:50] <mkopack> 256 was cutting it pretty tight
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[2:55] <uncola> what's ROS? I've only used the xbmc distros for my rpi
[2:55] <mkopack> Ros.org
[2:55] <mkopack> robot Operating system
[2:55] <mkopack> runs on top of ubuntu (but also other OS's)
[3:01] <des2> Robots have their own operating system ?
[3:01] <des2> Shouldn't we put a stop to it before they take over ?
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> c3po runs on poppos.
[3:02] <mkopack> Well, it's really just a standardized framework for making modular processing for robotic use??? And a ton of libraries for doing different robot-related things, like vision, sensor reading, path planning, etc.
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[3:05] <des2> Just don't put a programming module in. Once they can modify their own code it's all over...
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[3:09] <jmichaelx> is it just me, or are the raspbian repos often slow as fudge for everyone else, too?
[3:10] <jmichaelx> for me, they're just timing out right now
[3:15] <des2> Are they hosted in the Amazon cloud ?
[3:15] <jmichaelx> des2: hmm, i don't know. is the amazon cloud having issues atm?
[3:15] <des2> Yes they had some bad issues today.
[3:16] <des2> It must have been really windy up there.
[3:16] <mkopack> What do you mean timing out? Downloading?
[3:16] <jmichaelx> then it honestly would not be shocking if that were indeed the issue
[3:16] <mkopack> des! LTNS man!
[3:16] <jmichaelx> mkopack: i'm just trying to do an apt-get upgrade
[3:16] <mkopack> Ah, might be having server issues
[3:16] <jmichaelx> mkopack: and yes, it's just timing out
[3:17] <des2> I rarely see myself. I don't like mirrors.
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[3:17] <des2> http://www.zdnet.com/amazon-cloud-down-reddit-github-other-major-sites-affected-7000006166/
[3:19] <Syliss> yeah i was having issues with reddit earlier today
[3:20] <atouk> rpi-update's been taking two tries to work, too
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[3:25] <mkopack> rpi-update performs a apt-get update internally so not surprised
[3:26] <atouk> never was a fan of the "cloud" concept
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[3:28] <uncola> you'd hate a chromebook then
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[3:30] <Syliss> i want that new chromebook
[3:30] <Syliss> need to try it out first tho
[3:30] <uncola> I preordered mine already
[3:30] <uncola> amazon wouldn't ship to hawaii so I had to use bestbuy and got charged tax
[3:31] <uncola> seems like a good couch computer/bed computer
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[3:31] <uncola> I've been using my ipad but sometimes it sucks not being able to type on a keyboard
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[3:36] <mkopack> Eh, what I've read said that if you have more than 2-3 tabs open it gets really slow. Probably doesn't have enough RAM
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[4:15] <maicod> even after compiling quake3 myself I keep getting the 'failed to open vchiq instance' message. I already did the 2 troubleshooting steps and rebooted. anyone here to help ?
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[4:29] <ShiftPlusOne> did you set the proper permission on the relevant file(s) in /dev ?
[4:29] <ShiftPlusOne> and do you get the same error if you run it as root?
[4:29] <maicod> you mean chmod a+rw /dev/vchiq
[4:29] <maicod> I tried it too
[4:29] <maicod> also did : echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="vchiq",GROUP="video",MODE="0660"' > /etc/udev/rules.d/10-vchiq-permissions.rules
[4:29] <maicod> usermod -a -G video [your_username]
[4:30] <rikkib> user/group
[4:30] <maicod> ofcourse I used user Pi
[4:30] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3
[4:30] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[4:30] <maicod> I'm reading that one :)
[4:31] <maicod> I don't get it that while I updated with rpi-update and then compiled my own quake3 that it still gives that error of the vchiq instance
[4:31] <maicod> I also rebooted after doing the echo and the usermod things
[4:31] <maicod> root doesnt work either
[4:31] <maicod> I tried under X and under console
[4:33] <maicod> if I cat the /etc/dev/rules.d/10-vchiq-permissions.rules I see the right contents
[4:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I would then try playing around with the source code and ftrace to see what the exact problem is.
[4:34] <maicod> I'm not having that knowledge sorry
[4:34] <ShiftPlusOne> me neither =)
[4:34] <maicod> what is vchiq for ?
[4:34] <maicod> LOL
[4:35] <rikkib> video core high quality
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[4:35] <rikkib> Perhaps
[4:35] <maicod> ah the main gpu thing
[4:35] <rikkib> thingy
[4:35] <maicod> hehe
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[4:35] <ShiftPlusOne> something to do with the video core. You use it to initialise all the accelerated goodness.
[4:35] <maicod> ok
[4:35] <maicod> could the quake game run outside X ?
[4:35] <maicod> I tried but same error
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, forget X
[4:36] <maicod> hehe OK
[4:36] <ShiftPlusOne> it uses SDL and opengl es directly with the provided egl library
[4:36] <maicod> I really don't know what to do anymore. I did everything I could find online
[4:37] <maicod> about the error
[4:38] <maicod> maybe there's a Pi image with quake3 inside ?
[4:38] <maicod> though I'd rather use wheezy 2012-09-18
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[4:38] <maicod> cause everything is on it already (done by me)
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[4:39] <ShiftPlusOne> have you tried the provided 3d demos, do they work?
[4:39] <maicod> oh no
[4:40] <maicod> didnt know they were there
[4:40] <maicod> where are they located ?
[4:40] <ShiftPlusOne> it has been a while since I messed around with that sort of stuff, so I have forgotten a lot and some things may have changed. When I was messing around with it they were in /opt/vc/.... something
[4:41] <maicod> oh lemme see
[4:41] <maicod> vgcendcmd >
[4:41] <maicod> ?
[4:41] <maicod> it works
[4:41] <maicod> omxplayer works too
[4:42] <ShaneBotwin> ohgawd omxplayer is awesome.
[4:42] <maicod> heheh
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> /opt/vc/src/hello_pi
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[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> compile the hello_triangle examples
[4:42] <maicod> well its a little too alpha for me ShaneBotwin
[4:42] <ShiftPlusOne> and see if they work
[4:42] <maicod> OK
[4:43] <maicod> gcc <file> ?
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, there should be a makefile
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[4:43] <maicod> oh
[4:43] <maicod> ah see it
[4:44] <maicod> the same error !!!!!
[4:44] <maicod> could rpi-update have broken my system?
[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> and if you try as root?
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> from console
[4:45] <maicod> indeed !
[4:45] <maicod> omxplayer is dead too now !
[4:45] <ShiftPlusOne> you're not using dualboot of any kind are you?
[4:46] <maicod> no
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like your firmware is messed up
[4:46] <maicod> indeed omxplayer is giving same error now
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> try running rpi-update again
[4:46] <maicod> yeah that sucks !
[4:46] <maicod> ok
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> might have gone wrong when github was down
[4:46] <maicod> OK
[4:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know
[4:46] <maicod> hehe
[4:46] <maicod> it didnt complain
[4:46] <maicod> it said everything like the hardfp libraries etc
[4:47] <maicod> its updating
[4:47] <maicod> I apt-get installed libgles*
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> then reboot, recompile and try again.
[4:47] <maicod> cause the compiling failed on GLES
[4:48] <maicod> that shouldnt be the problem?
[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> what was the error?
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> It might be, I don't know where raspbian gets the libs from or how up to date they are. rpi-update should get everything
[4:49] <maicod> code/jpeg-6b/../renderer/qgl.h:34:21: fatal error: GLES/gl.h: no such file/directory
[4:49] <maicod> oh it didnt
[4:50] <maicod> getting the libgles stuff helped
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> you have /opt/vc/include/GLES/gl.h don't you?
[4:50] <maicod> lemme see
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like it's not in your include path
[4:50] <maicod> ofcourse cause it didnt fail compiling the last time
[4:50] <maicod> no wait
[4:51] <maicod> after apt-get install libgles*
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[4:51] <maicod> I did recompile and it worked
[4:51] <maicod> the error was before getting libgles stuff
[4:51] <ShiftPlusOne> you might be linking against an old library while running an updated one, but i am not sure.
[4:51] <maicod> ok
[4:51] <maicod> root@raspberrypi:~# rpi-update
[4:51] <maicod> Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS
[4:51] <maicod> Performing self-update
[4:51] <maicod> Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS
[4:51] <maicod> Performing self-update
[4:51] <maicod> ARM/GPU split is now defined in /boot/config.txt using the gpu_mem option!
[4:51] <maicod> Downloading specific firmware revision (this will take a few minutes)
[4:51] <maicod> this didnt show yesterday
[4:52] <maicod> dunno why it says performing self-update twice
[4:52] <maicod> rebooting
[4:53] <maicod> my split is set by raspi-config to 192/64
[4:53] <maicod> is that OK ?
[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd uninstall whatever libgles stuff you installed from the repos to make sure you're using a version compatible with the firmware you're running.
[4:53] <maicod> OK
[4:53] <maicod> need to autoremove too?
[4:53] <maicod> or just purge
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> idn, whatever the default uninstall thing in debian is.
[4:55] <maicod> purge but it keeps alot of stuff
[4:56] <maicod> I think I'd better revert back to a backup
[4:57] <maicod> not sure what rpi-update messed with
[4:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it pulled in the latest firmware and libraries, then you installed older libraries from the raspbian repo and the two are incompatible now, but that's probably a wrong guess.
[4:58] <maicod> maybe but purging them makes me still unsure if I'm in a clean to start situation again then
[4:58] <maicod> so backup restore is safer
[4:58] <maicod> made one before starting with quake stuff
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh it should have removed what it needed to remove
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[4:59] <maicod> well it takes one hour to compile and I don't want to do it like this now :)
[4:59] <maicod> thanks but no :)
[5:00] <maicod> i'll tell ya later if it worked ;)
[5:00] <maicod> thanks for the help !
[5:00] <ShiftPlusOne> you can just try the triangle demos first
[5:00] <maicod> now ?
[5:00] <maicod> recompile?
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[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> that's what I would focus on first... get the simple thing working to make sure things work as they should
[5:01] <maicod> same error
[5:01] <ShiftPlusOne> gl.h missing?
[5:01] <maicod> after purging libgles stuff and rpi-update
[5:01] <maicod> I even got 2 gles dirs (gles and gles2
[5:01] <maicod> both have gl.h
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[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, /opt/vc/include is not in your include search path
[5:02] <jmichaelx> how does a person install rpi-update
[5:02] <jmichaelx> ?
[5:03] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: how do I change that ?
[5:03] <atouk> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[5:03] <ShiftPlusOne> maicod, I am looking into that now
[5:03] <maicod> thans
[5:03] <maicod> thanks
[5:03] <jmichaelx> atouk: ty... i just googled and also found it at about the time you posted
[5:04] <atouk> my google-fu is faster, grasshopper
[5:04] <maicod> does rpi-update update itsself ?
[5:04] <rikkib> Has rpi-update been updated to handle the new firmware?
[5:04] <atouk> yes
[5:04] * maicod uses a version downloaded some time ago
[5:04] <maicod> so maybe thats causing the trouble ?
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> maicod, I am looking at the hello_pi makefile and it has the right includes.....
[5:05] <atouk> let ne just say "I BELEIVE the latest version updates itself"
[5:05] <maicod> OK cool
[5:05] <maicod> atouk: OK :)
[5:05] <des2> SHouldn't rpi-update update itself ?
[5:05] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: it didnt complain about not being able to find stuff btw
[5:05] <atouk> hexxeh is on a lot, so ask the source
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> maicod, I thought you said it did =/
[5:06] <maicod> nooooooooo
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
[5:06] <maicod> oops
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> so it's just the vchiq error?
[5:06] <maicod> <maicod> same error
[5:06] <maicod> I meant the vchiq one
[5:06] <maicod> oops misunderstanding sorry
[5:07] <maicod> rite !
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I thought you were talking about the gl.h missing error.
[5:07] <maicod> hhehe no
[5:07] <atouk> just checked, rpi- update does indeed update itself
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> well then, I've got no idea then.
[5:07] <maicod> atouk: cool
[5:07] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: me either ;)
[5:07] <maicod> does rpi-update have a version display?
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[5:07] <maicod> I wanna check
[5:08] <maicod> nope it is just a script it seems
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[5:14] * rikkib is in the final stages of updating firmware manually. git clone on x86 machine ftp to devel RPi and copy after backup up old.
[5:15] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: I had an sdcard with another 2012-09-18 wheezy install and the triangle looks awesome :)
[5:15] <maicod> so that works ;)
[5:15] <maicod> I will rpi-update ofc
[5:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, it's one good looking triangle.
[5:16] <maicod> and test it after it
[5:16] <maicod> yeah and so smooth :)
[5:16] <maicod> the GPU is awesome
[5:16] <ShiftPlusOne> It's the future of triangles I tell ya.
[5:16] <maicod> wish the cpu wouldve been a tad more strong
[5:16] <maicod> haha
[5:16] * maicod has seen this 10 years ago on his Geforce ;)
[5:16] <maicod> but still awesome for the Pi
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> shh
[5:17] <ShiftPlusOne> the future
[5:17] <maicod> LOL
[5:17] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: the guide says do an distro-upgrade
[5:18] <maicod> does it mean it checks to see if theres a wheezy release from october and then installs that one ?
[5:18] * maicod didnt check if theres a new one already
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not a fan of debian, so I can't help there.
[5:18] <maicod> noprob
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[5:19] <maicod> oops wanted to issue a command here :P
[5:20] <maicod> hey doesnt rpi-update require git anymore ?
[5:20] <maicod> the guide of hexxeh doesnt talk about that anymore
[5:20] <atouk> scroll down and put the glasses on
[5:20] <maicod> oh LOL
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[5:21] <ackthet> what is the best xbmc distro for rpi? and dont say xbian, its a heap of dog poop
[5:21] * ackthet thinks that there is none
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> What's best for one person might be the worst for you. I, for one, am a fan of openelec.
[5:22] <ackthet> ShiftPlusOne: which release do you use?
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> But I understand that it's not for everyone.
[5:22] <maicod> atouk: theres no line saying apt-get install git-core
[5:23] <maicod> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[5:23] <maicod> there
[5:23] <spadusa> What is recommended for GUI programming for the RaspPi?
[5:24] <ackthet> ShiftPlusOne: i tried the lastest build but it was... laggy to say the least
[5:24] <ackthet> though i didnt oc
[5:25] <atouk> ok, the script tells you to if you don't have it
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ackthet, what are you expectations? it's not a replacement for a home theater, it's more of a "because I can" sort of thing.
[5:25] <atouk> echo "This tool requires you have Git installed, please install it first" echo "In Debian, try: sudo apt-get install git-core" echo "In Arch, try: pacman -S git"
[5:25] <ackthet> ShiftPlusOne: well... there are non-laggy xbmc machines on rpi
[5:26] <ackthet> like xbian... much as i hate to say it
[5:26] <ackthet> ofc it has a ton of other issues
[5:26] <maicod> atouk: ah ok. thats why he removed it from the readme then
[5:26] <ackthet> random crap breaks in each release
[5:26] <atouk> knew i saw it somewhere....
[5:26] <maicod> atouk: echoing is better indeed
[5:26] <maicod> LOL
[5:26] <maicod> whatever :)
[5:26] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok. I haven't used xbmc in a long time, but openelec performed 'good enough' for me back then. I wouldn't think that it would've gotten laggier since then, but go figure
[5:27] <uncola> well raspbmc does overclocking by default, openelec doesn't
[5:27] <ackthet> yeah <_<
[5:27] * maicod slaps atouk with a large raspberrypi manual :)
[5:27] <ackthet> i didnt really try oc or anything
[5:27] <uncola> you can overclock when using openelec I think you just edit some config file
[5:27] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[5:27] <ackthet> every release of xbian has issues... its almost hilarious
[5:28] * ackthet comes back in 6mo
[5:28] <atouk> a manual should never be bigger than the hardware it describes
[5:28] <maicod> indeed :)
[5:28] <maicod> microfiche :)
[5:29] <ackthet> for example... the remote control app breaks in .8.3
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[5:30] <Tachyon`> I'm getting the impression the hf build is a bit dicey with some apps, heh, may go back to armel
[5:30] <maicod> what does Performing self-update
[5:30] <maicod> ARM/GPU split is now defined in /boot/config.txt using the gpu_mem option!
[5:30] <maicod> imply ?
[5:30] <Tachyon`> oh, updates
[5:30] <maicod> I always set it with raspi-config
[5:30] <maicod> is that wrong ?
[5:31] <ackthet> and their site is down :D
[5:33] <maicod> did
[5:33] <maicod> oops
[5:33] <ShiftPlusOne> maicod, before, we had a bunch of different files and we renamed them to get the split we wanted, now there is one file and the split is defined in the config
[5:34] <maicod> ah ok but will the raspi-config do it too?
[5:34] <maicod> it probably edits the same file?
[5:34] <ShiftPlusOne> raspi-config? rpi-update? you kids these days.... back in my day (a few months ago) we didn't use such nonsense. >=/
[5:34] <mkopack> Yeah, it was just switching out the files under the hood for you...
[5:35] <mkopack> Shift: LOL
[5:35] <Tachyon`> no rpi-update on mine, oddly
[5:35] <mkopack> Yeah, we dealt with it all by hand!
[5:35] <maicod> hahah ShiftPlusOne the raspi-update is a configging tool that starts the first time you write an image to the card
[5:35] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: you are one of the Pi creators?
[5:35] <mkopack> And didn't have 6 months of wiki posts to count on for help :)
[5:35] <maicod> LOL
[5:35] <maicod> don't forget I also started with debian 19-04
[5:36] <maicod> months ago
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> lol... me? one of the pi creators? hell no.
[5:36] <mkopack> So did I
[5:36] <maicod> have had alot of trouble with filesystem corruptions so have had alot of restarting to do
[5:36] <maicod> ah :)
[5:36] <maicod> one of the first users then
[5:36] <mkopack> So glad Raspbian got bumped up to "best recommended" status over Debian
[5:36] <Tachyon`> I had that, turned out to be the card, heh
[5:37] <Tachyon`> as someone in here actually suggested at the time
[5:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah... now make it arch and we're there.
[5:37] <maicod> Tachyon`: I suspect mine too. I changed cards and it seems better
[5:37] <mkopack> Yeah, I got mine in April? and 2 more in May
[5:37] <maicod> I think mine's from May
[5:37] <Tachyon`> I got a sandisk ultra 16GB card
[5:37] <Tachyon`> and it's been problematic
[5:37] <maicod> I was nr 33000 something
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[5:37] <Tachyon`> but a duracell 8 worked fine
[5:38] <Tachyon`> as does the cheap sandisk 4
[5:38] <maicod> Tachyon`: ah I now use a PNY card 16GB
[5:38] * maicod got 2 Pi's
[5:38] <maicod> one from RS the first one
[5:38] <maicod> one from Farnell
[5:38] <maicod> with a t-shirt ;)
[5:38] <Tachyon`> I just have the one right now
[5:38] <Tachyon`> btu I'll have another as soon as I'm sure it'll be 512MB
[5:39] <maicod> my Pi http://s1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/?action=view&current=IMG_3567.jpg
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[5:40] <Tachyon`> hrm, not taken a pic of mine btu it has a hub and a 1.8" HDD attached with tie wrasp
[5:40] <Tachyon`> I'll try though
[5:40] <maicod> Tachyon`: mine has a hub too (the Ultron 7port one)
[5:40] <maicod> powered one ofc
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> spadusa, don't know if you found an answer already (regarding the GUI thing), but it would depend on what you're doing and what you're comfortable with.
[5:42] <maicod> after rpi-update and recompile the triangle demo still runs
[5:42] <maicod> :)
[5:42] <spadusa> I haven't. And I'm comfortable with whatever.
[5:42] <spadusa> I tried compiling Qt5. It failed.
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> spadusa, will your program be running under X?
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[5:42] <spadusa> And by "failed" I mean it was completely successful until I stuck the SD card into the RPi: Kernel panic.
[5:43] <spadusa> ShiftPlusOne: I don't care. I don't really have any requirements.
[5:43] <spadusa> I just want a GUI environment that works.
[5:43] <spadusa> My fallback is a PHP web app.
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> spadusa, then you have all the choices.
[5:43] <maicod> the Pi doesnt use flashing keyboard light when kernel panicking huh :)
[5:43] <spadusa> ShiftPlusOne: All what choices?
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[5:44] <maicod> what does rpi-update 192 ?
[5:44] <ShiftPlusOne> spadusa, ah right, we've already talked about this. I thought it was someone else asking. And I was talking about all of the traditional choices wxwidgets, qt4, gtk and so on.
[5:44] <maicod> does it only change the mem split?
[5:44] <spadusa> ShiftPlusOne: I don't recall talking about those choices.
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[5:44] <spadusa> I may have been afk.
[5:45] <atouk> it updates the firmware and whatever associated files are needed
[5:45] <maicod> what is the 192 for then?
[5:45] <maicod> ofc I knew rpi-update
[5:45] <maicod> but why the 192 :)
[5:45] <atouk> 192?
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> spadusa, nuh, the whole kernel panic thing. And I forgot you had settled on a web interface.
[5:45] <maicod> sudo apt-get update
[5:45] <maicod> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[5:45] <maicod> sudo rpi-update 192
[5:46] <maicod> see ?
[5:46] <spadusa> Ok. So qt4. I found this at the bottom of the page about qt4: There are inherent graphical constraints in the Qt 4 architecture that make spending any significant time in adapting Qt 4 to the Raspberry Pi seem a little pointless. We merrily welcome anyone else?s passion/contributions towards this end.
[5:46] <atouk> ah that's to downgrade ato a specific version
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[5:46] <spadusa> ShiftPlusOne: I do web development professionally. I want this to be more of a learning experience than a knock-it-out-real-quick project.
[5:46] <spadusa> So I'd rather NOT use a web interface.
[5:46] <maicod> atouk: ah I see
[5:47] <atouk> p runs apache/php/mysql pretty well for what it is
[5:47] <maicod> so its important I guess
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Does anyone here have experience with wxwidgets or qt4 on pi? Do they work fine?
[5:48] <spadusa> So there isn't 1 GUI framework that's the who's who in Linux GUI development?
[5:48] <__machine> anyone using RPi as their primary machine for OpenELEC?
[5:49] <des2> 192 is the memort split
[5:49] <des2> memory
[5:49] <AC`97> banana*
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> spadusa, on the desktop that's mostly qt.
[5:49] <des2> 192/16
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[5:49] <maicod> des2: so rpi-update can do that as well ?
[5:49] <des2> Yes.
[5:49] <AC`97> 240/16
[5:50] <des2> The latest one.
[5:50] <atouk> ok, learn somethign every day...
[5:50] <maicod> cool
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[5:50] <des2> Right 192/64 rather.
[5:50] <maicod> heh
[5:50] <des2> or 240 for 240/16
[5:50] <AC`97> om nom nom
[5:50] <atouk> i always used raspi-config
[5:51] <maicod> des: it quit probably cause I had already that split setting
[5:51] <maicod> atouk: me too
[5:51] <Tachyon`> maicod, looks like this in fact: http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepicloseup.jpg
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[5:51] <Tachyon`> very small still though, particularly with a hard rive in there
[5:51] <maicod> LOL Pi on steroids ;)
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[5:52] <maicod> Tachyon`: what are these loose sdcards on top for ?
[5:52] <Tachyon`> well, the hard drive is very useful, most of it is a fat partition, there's a 2GB rescue system and 512 of swap
[5:52] <des2> They're trying to escape ?
[5:52] <maicod> heh
[5:52] <Tachyon`> erm, one contains RISC OS 5, the other contains RaspXBMC
[5:52] <Tachyon`> the one in is debian hf
[5:53] <maicod> rite
[5:53] <maicod> spares :)
[5:53] <Tachyon`> clearly not as they're all in use
[5:53] <Tachyon`> I've never liked swap on SD though
[5:53] * maicod thought they were somehow connected :)
[5:53] <Tachyon`> it's just asking fo rit
[5:53] <Tachyon`> oh, no, lol
[5:53] <maicod> heh
[5:53] <Tachyon`> that big white dongle is for the keyboard, not the wifi
[5:53] <Tachyon`> the wifi is a tiny edimax thing
[5:53] <maicod> ouch
[5:53] <rikkib> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[5:53] <Tachyon`> well, I had a tiny keybaord with appropriately tiny dongle
[5:53] <maicod> you need a nano receiver ;)
[5:53] <Tachyon`> a riiboard it's called
[5:54] <Tachyon`> but it was terrible
[5:54] <rikkib> Lets see how this kernel stands up
[5:54] <Tachyon`> absolutely unusable
[5:54] <maicod> Tachyon`: logitech nano receivers work fine
[5:54] <Tachyon`> so I got this cheap laptop keyboard / trackball job
[5:54] <Tachyon`> works very nicely
[5:54] <Tachyon`> only 14 quid but far better than the Rii which costs quite a bit more
[5:54] <maicod> btw I can see a nano one too :)
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[5:54] <maicod> left most
[5:54] <Tachyon`> you can't, you can see bluetooth
[5:54] <maicod> ah bluetooth :)
[5:54] <Tachyon`> the wifi is even smaller and on the other side
[5:54] <atouk> picked up the logitech mk320 kbd/mouse combo with the micro dongle at staples for $20
[5:55] <maicod> :)
[5:55] <rikkib> I have a MK320
[5:55] <Tachyon`> aoh that sounds quite nice
[5:55] <maicod> can a pi sweat LOL
[5:55] <maicod> its sweating now :)
[5:55] <rikkib> 35mA
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[5:55] <Tachyon`> very big though
[5:55] <maicod> atouk: we aint got staples ;)
[5:55] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00467H4EI/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
[5:55] <AC`97> paperclips.
[5:56] <Tachyon`> despite the low price that works very well
[5:56] <atouk> they had them on sale. should have grabbed a couple more
[5:56] <maicod> the office centre I meant
[5:56] <AC`97> paperclips!
[5:56] <AC`97> >:D
[5:56] * maicod slaps a staple through AC`97
[5:56] * AC`97 chooses not to understand.
[5:56] <AC`97> x.x
[5:56] <Tachyon`> additionally the trackball is fine (and optical)
[5:56] <maicod> heh
[5:56] <Tachyon`> I assume the reviewers who gave it one star have never used a real trackball
[5:57] <Tachyon`> just the blackberry sort or w/e
[5:57] <AC`97> i has trackball.
[5:57] <AC`97> giant one at home, smaller one at work
[5:57] <Tachyon`> I have an old microsoft one and an even older pool ball style one
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[5:57] <maicod> damn distro-upgrade takes ages
[5:57] <Tachyon`> but that's getting hard to use being serial
[5:57] <AC`97> i want a bowling ball trackball.
[5:57] <Tachyon`> you're doing a dist-upgrade on the pi?
[5:57] <maicod> AC`97: that'd get you RSI :O)
[5:57] <maicod> :)
[5:57] <Tachyon`> the pool ball one is large enough, lol
[5:57] <AC`97> great :D
[5:57] <Tachyon`> think the old atari ones
[5:58] <Tachyon`> the trackball part has been very reliable but it's on its third set of microswitches for the buttons
[5:58] <Tachyon`> that said I think I've had that one since 995
[5:58] <Tachyon`> er, 1995 even, not quite that old
[5:58] <maicod> Tachyon`: u're playin too much games :)
[5:58] <Tachyon`> no, it's just very old, lol
[5:58] <maicod> oh :)
[5:58] <Tachyon`> I simply never found one better
[5:59] <maicod> you know one game I love is demon attack on the atari2600
[5:59] <maicod> know it ?
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[5:59] <Tachyon`> no
[6:00] <Tachyon`> oddly
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[6:00] <maicod> http://www.atariage.com/screenshot_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=134
[6:01] <maicod> addictive cause the demons assembled from 2 sides
[6:01] <maicod> some split in 2
[6:02] <Tachyon`> I think vanguard and yars revenge took some beating on the old 2600
[6:02] <Tachyon`> but never played demon attack, lol
[6:02] <maicod> there should be a 2600 emu for the PI :)
[6:02] <Tachyon`> although it dose seem to have been very popular
[6:02] <Tachyon`> there probably is
[6:02] <maicod> is it ?
[6:02] <Tachyon`> stella
[6:02] <Tachyon`> ?
[6:02] <maicod> I want it :)
[6:03] <AC`97> i learned programming on an atari
[6:03] <AC`97> before i became computer illiterate
[6:03] <maicod> maybe there's even a apt package
[6:03] <Tachyon`> yup, I think stella is packaged
[6:03] <Tachyon`> just apt-get it
[6:03] <maicod> illiterate ?
[6:03] <AC`97> illiterate.
[6:03] <maicod> literate you mean :)
[6:03] <AC`97> illiterate.
[6:03] <maicod> that means you dislearned stuff ?
[6:03] <maicod> hehe
[6:03] <AC`97> yes.
[6:03] <maicod> aha LOL
[6:04] <Tachyon`> atari basic is the only basic I know of other than Sinclair basic which does syntax checking as a line is entered rather than when it's executed
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[6:04] <maicod> cool i've learnt stuff on the vic-2
[6:04] <maicod> 20
[6:04] <maicod> vic-20
[6:04] <maicod> and c-64/amiga etc
[6:04] <Tachyon`> but not much at once in 22 columns
[6:04] <Tachyon`> I suspect
[6:04] <maicod> vic-20 was 40 chars. the c-64 80
[6:04] <Tachyon`> that's very wrong
[6:04] <maicod> oh :)
[6:05] <maicod> half of both?
[6:05] <Tachyon`> Vic-20 22 chars, C64 40 chars, C128 40/80
[6:05] <maicod> oops getting forgetful :)
[6:05] <Tachyon`> lol
[6:05] <maicod> illiterating :)
[6:05] <maicod> if thats a verb ;)
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[6:06] <maicod> <------non english native so you can make believe anything in english is true
[6:06] <Tachyon`> I started (as I suspect many did) with a ZX81, then went onto the BBC and Spectrum
[6:06] <Tachyon`> ahh
[6:06] <maicod> Dutch ;)
[6:06] <Tachyon`> yes, I just saw the .nl, lol
[6:06] <maicod> and NO not german :)
[6:06] <maicod> haha
[6:06] <maicod> OK
[6:06] <Tachyon`> yes, I only made that mistake once at school
[6:06] <maicod> some americans seem to think we're germans :)
[6:06] <maicod> we don't like that ;P
[6:06] <ShiftPlusOne> maicod, thanks for great metal bands.
[6:06] <Tachyon`> as the name of the language Deutch and Dutch is confusing
[6:06] <maicod> yw :)
[6:07] <maicod> indeed Tachyon`
[6:07] <Tachyon`> my french teacher told me I'd get punched if I ever made that mistake in person
[6:07] <Tachyon`> so I didn't
[6:07] <maicod> hehe
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[6:07] <maicod> Dutch is a bit similar to German but not really close either
[6:07] <maicod> its a totally different language
[6:07] <Tachyon`> never been to holland
[6:07] <maicod> heheh netherlands ;P
[6:08] <maicod> holland is part of netherlands only :)
[6:08] <maicod> 2 provinces out of 13
[6:08] <Tachyon`> ah, that I didn't realise
[6:08] <ShiftPlusOne> it's not a "totally different language" they are very close in the indo-european language group.
[6:08] <maicod> no prob
[6:08] <Tachyon`> I assumed holland was just the english name -.-
[6:08] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: well theres words enough that are not having a german counterpart (lookalike)
[6:08] <Tachyon`> ah well, at least I've called no canadians americans lately
[6:08] <maicod> Tachyon`: thats fine don't worry
[6:09] <Tachyon`> although I'm sure my mouth could take more feet in a pinch -.o
[6:09] <maicod> Tachyon`: holland is quite normal for english speakers
[6:09] <maicod> so I don't blame you
[6:09] <maicod> the word holland comes from noord-holland and zuid-holland (2 north sea bordering provinces)
[6:10] * maicod wants stella now :)
[6:10] <maicod> will see if apt-get knows it :)
[6:10] <Tachyon`> oh, the original zealand
[6:11] <maicod> tachyon: thats the province called Zeeland
[6:11] <maicod> its south of zuid-holland
[6:11] <Tachyon`> think this is the first time I've actually peered at a map of the netherlands
[6:11] <maicod> its also bordering the norhtern sea
[6:11] <ShiftPlusOne> maicod, ah, I might have been a bit quick to make that statement. English is about as far away from German as Dutch is.
[6:12] <maicod> ShiftPlusOne: its ok. ofcourse german/dutch/scandinavian are all coming from the same root
[6:12] <maicod> germanics
[6:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, they are all all west germanic languages
[6:12] <maicod> ductch has english influences
[6:12] <maicod> yea
[6:12] <maicod> I think the scandinavian languages are north-germanic ones
[6:13] <maicod> we're a tiny country with too many ppl per square inch :)
[6:13] <maicod> 16 million
[6:13] <atouk> almose every language has english influences. except for manuals for chinese products. it's hard to find any recognisable english in them at all
[6:13] <maicod> eheh LOL
[6:13] <maicod> atouk: your name sounds a bit 'french' is it ?
[6:14] <maicod> the 'ou'
[6:14] <AC`97> fries??
[6:14] <atouk> no movie reference
[6:14] * AC`97 goes om nom nom
[6:14] <maicod> ah OK :)
[6:14] <atouk> "Caveman"
[6:14] <atouk> started using it as a gaming name ages ago and it stuck
[6:14] <maicod> it doesnt ring me any bells ;)
[6:14] * AC`97 rings a cowbell
[6:14] <maicod> OK I was called MAD in the old days
[6:14] <AC`97> ding ding
[6:14] <maicod> from my first and last name
[6:14] <maicod> Maico D.....
[6:14] <maicod> MA D
[6:14] <atouk> ringo starr, john matuzak, barbarah bach, shelly long
[6:15] <maicod> now maicod (first name maico and d from last name)
[6:15] <maicod> in the old days there were 3 letter names huh
[6:15] <maicod> in games
[6:15] * maicod heard a cowbell :)
[6:15] <maicod> AC`97: what about frysian ?
[6:16] <maicod> we got that too here :)
[6:16] <AC`97> o.o
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[6:16] <maicod> <AC`97> fries??
[6:16] <AC`97> mooo
[6:16] <maicod> it somewhere stopped with weird chars
[6:16] <maicod> I guess I got no utf :)
[6:17] <AC`97> ufo?
[6:17] <maicod> utf-8 ?
[6:17] <AC`97> utf-8 ??
[6:17] <AC`97> oh.
[6:17] <maicod> yea
[6:17] * AC`97 is slow
[6:17] <maicod> haha
[6:17] <maicod> still hearing the bells ringing in yer ears :)
[6:17] <maicod> deafening :)
[6:17] <AC`97> [:
[6:18] <maicod> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[6:18] <maicod> stella
[6:18] <maicod> hey !
[6:18] <maicod> wowow :)
[6:18] <maicod> hope its the right stella :)
[6:18] * Tachyon` blinks
[6:18] <Tachyon`> I told you it was apt-gettable, lol
[6:18] <maicod> ah oops didnt see
[6:18] <maicod> do I need some ROM?
[6:18] <atouk> apt-get streetcar desire?
[6:18] <Tachyon`> err
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[6:18] <Tachyon`> well, yes
[6:19] <Tachyon`> the rom of the game you want to play
[6:19] <Tachyon`> the machine had no rom of its own
[6:19] <maicod> oh only that one
[6:19] <maicod> ah OK
[6:19] <maicod> mame HAS
[6:19] <maicod> huh
[6:19] <Tachyon`> oh, maybe I'm wrong then
[6:19] <Tachyon`> I'll check..
[6:19] <maicod> dunno :)
[6:19] <maicod> wanna have the demon attack ?
[6:19] <maicod> I got it here
[6:19] <maicod> I can dcc it :)
[6:19] <Tachyon`> I'm not wrong, the only ROM on the 2600 is in the game
[6:20] <maicod> cool
[6:20] <maicod> 4K :)
[6:20] <Tachyon`> ah, I have a full set of 2600 games, just have yet to play many of them
[6:20] <maicod> OK me too :)
[6:20] <Tachyon`> some could go larger than that using bank switching
[6:20] <Tachyon`> in relaity it should have allowed up to 64K but there was some skimping on the cart connetor
[6:20] <Tachyon`> so there wasn't sufficient room for a full set of address lines
[6:20] <maicod> DEMONATK.BIN
[6:20] <maicod> 4K :)
[6:21] <Tachyon`> christ, it's after 5am
[6:21] <Tachyon`> damn the americans and their politics
[6:21] <maicod> almost daylight :)
[6:21] <maicod> oh hehe
[6:21] <Tachyon`> they should schedule their debates for lunchtime
[6:21] <maicod> I didnt watch it
[6:21] <Tachyon`> then I'd be able to see them at a civilised hour
[6:21] <maicod> who won?
[6:21] <Tachyon`> obama
[6:21] <maicod> really?
[6:21] <maicod> cool :)
[6:21] <Tachyon`> mitt lied and revised history and so on
[6:21] <Tachyon`> as usual, lol
[6:22] <maicod> oh hehe
[6:22] <Tachyon`> still, for a republican that's pretty much mandatory
[6:22] <maicod> but also obama isnt so ehm democratic. he still likes big army etc
[6:22] <Tachyon`> yes, I know he's the lesser of two evils
[6:22] <maicod> indeed
[6:22] <Tachyon`> but that's usually the choice we're left with
[6:22] <Tachyon`> it's the same here
[6:22] <Tachyon`> tories, labour, lib dems all fighting for the right of centre ground
[6:23] <maicod> someone said he isnt the likeable guy he looks like. he is hard to 'reach'
[6:23] <maicod> he isnt the 'fellow'
[6:23] <Tachyon`> who?
[6:23] <maicod> obama
[6:23] <maicod> we have a word called afstandelijl
[6:23] <Tachyon`> when americans say things like that it's often a euphemism for "not white"
[6:23] <Tachyon`> lol
[6:23] <maicod> afstandelijk
[6:23] <maicod> lemme convert it
[6:24] <maicod> distant
[6:25] <Tachyon`> ahh, right
[6:25] <maicod> Tachyon`: ofcourse that person on tv (forgot who) can have his own agenda by saying that
[6:25] <maicod> he just said obama rapidly became a distant person when he left his former chicago
[6:25] <ShiftPlusOne> who cares how 'likable' a politician is? I'd love to see one who kept promises. Maybe one day.
[6:25] <maicod> yeah
[6:25] <Tachyon`> I liked Tony Benn
[6:26] <Tachyon`> but he retired long ago
[6:26] <AC`97> lots of distance = distant
[6:26] <maicod> doesnt sound familiar
[6:26] <Tachyon`> I think he was the last honest politician in the UK
[6:26] <maicod> oh UK ?
[6:26] <Tachyon`> aye
[6:26] <AC`97> what/where is UK ??
[6:26] <maicod> I thought you meant US politicians :)
[6:26] <Tachyon`> why am I watching american politics you wonder
[6:26] <atouk> nigel ferange (sp?)
[6:26] <maicod> Tachyon`: hehe well we do that too in NL
[6:26] <AC`97> farage
[6:26] <Tachyon`> I'm not responsibel for nigel farage, he doesn't speak for me
[6:27] <Tachyon`> nor does nick griffin
[6:27] <Tachyon`> aye, like it or not, what happens in america affecst the rest of the world so I keep an eye on it
[6:27] <maicod> yeah but I don't wanna sit at 3AM for it
[6:27] <Tachyon`> no, nor did I
[6:27] <Tachyon`> but there we go, lol
[6:28] <maicod> ehee
[6:28] <Tachyon`> I just hope obama gets control of both houses when he wins
[6:28] <maicod> 2AM in UK it was though :P
[6:28] <Tachyon`> 2am to 3:30
[6:28] <Tachyon`> so I was indeed watching at 3am
[6:28] <atouk> why do all the 95% great politicians have that 5% crackpot that puts them on the fringe, but the 95% crackpot politicians always win elections?
[6:28] <maicod> we're close to UK and yet we have different times :)
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[6:28] <maicod> the time border must lie somewhere huh
[6:28] <Tachyon`> everyone should just switch to UTC and be done IMHO
[6:28] <Tachyon`> well, there's 24 of them I think
[6:29] <Tachyon`> (ignoring the half zones)
[6:29] <maicod> UTC =dutch time -2 ?
[6:29] <Tachyon`> it's a result of it not being turtles all the way down
[6:29] <Tachyon`> UTC is just GMT
[6:29] <maicod> GMT+1 is summetime huh?
[6:29] <Tachyon`> aye
[6:29] <Tachyon`> for a few more days
[6:29] <Tachyon`> changes on sunday
[6:29] <maicod> so its now ehm here GMT+2
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[6:29] <maicod> so that would mean -2 for us :)
[6:29] <maicod> if we convert to UTC
[6:30] <Tachyon`> aye, but it is a bit odd, in the 21st century having time zones
[6:30] <Tachyon`> it's the same time everywhere really
[6:30] <maicod> well the sun still goes from east to west
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[6:31] <Tachyon`> geocentrism is a bit discredited these days (as Galileo said to the pope) but aye ;p
[6:31] <maicod> heh
[6:31] <Tachyon`> I wonder what all the people who think the world is going to end in december will say when it doesn't
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[6:32] <maicod> but that would mean some people need to learn that their 3am is midday or such :)
[6:32] * maicod fears the Drones
[6:32] <Tachyon`> I'm not fond of drones
[6:32] <maicod> france has them too now
[6:32] <maicod> they're sending them to Mali
[6:32] <Tachyon`> they always remind me of the Stargate SG-1 episode The other sidce
[6:32] <Tachyon`> side*
[6:32] <maicod> yea
[6:33] <maicod> in 5 years time everyone has them
[6:33] <Tachyon`> the taliban downed one just by interfering with the signal
[6:33] <Tachyon`> they're clearly not very intelligent
[6:33] <maicod> well they probably got atari2600 braisn
[6:34] <Tachyon`> I shold design them a better one using a raspberry pi
[6:34] <Tachyon`> which in classic military tradition I would of course charge them $2500 for
[6:34] <maicod> ceefax has died huh
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[6:34] <maicod> I heard
[6:34] <Tachyon`> alas yes, went off yesterday
[6:34] <uncola> ED209, skynet created drones
[6:34] <uncola> once the singularity comes we're all dead meat
[6:34] <maicod> we still got teletekst
[6:34] <maicod> http://teletekst.nos.nl/?101-01
[6:34] <Tachyon`> my BBC Teletext decoder is now of limited use -.-
[6:34] <maicod> give it to me :)
[6:34] <maicod> hehe
[6:35] <maicod> rs232 ?
[6:35] <Tachyon`> someone else already wants it, he's going to designsomethign to feed it teltext frames
[6:35] <maicod> its ok
[6:35] <Tachyon`> no, I think it connected to the 1MHz bu
[6:35] <Tachyon`> s
[6:35] <maicod> oh
[6:35] <maicod> I got one with RS232 somewhere
[6:35] <AC`97> public transportation??
[6:35] <maicod> it was for the Amiga
[6:35] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.old/beebtext.jpg
[6:35] <maicod> did you see ours right now ?
[6:35] <Tachyon`> you can see the decoder to the right of the BBC in that rather poor pic
[6:35] <maicod> the link
[6:36] <Tachyon`> yes, that works quite nicely
[6:36] <maicod> oh selfbuilt ?
[6:36] <maicod> yeah its kinda popular under young ppl too here
[6:36] <maicod> we still have analog cable too
[6:36] <AC`97> lolwot
[6:36] <maicod> not analog over the air
[6:36] <maicod> analogue
[6:36] <AC`97> just analog will do :P
[6:37] <maicod> we have digital (most ppl) over the cable
[6:37] <Tachyon`> I didn't build that interface, just bought it
[6:37] <maicod> ah OK
[6:37] <Tachyon`> althoguh I did upgrade that BBC to 176K of RAM
[6:37] <Tachyon`> (from 32K)
[6:37] <maicod> heh
[6:37] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.old/freebeebupgraded176k-2.jpg
[6:37] <maicod> so there is no analog cable signal either ?
[6:37] <Tachyon`> you can see the board in there
[6:37] <Tachyon`> no, it just went off
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[6:38] <maicod> ah
[6:38] <maicod> and poor elderly ppl then?
[6:38] <maicod> who don't know technics
[6:38] <Tachyon`> always liked the BBC machines, you could do a lot with them
[6:38] <Tachyon`> that actually is an original Model B in that picture
[6:38] <maicod> I know the BBC machines indeed
[6:38] <Tachyon`> ah, okay
[6:38] <maicod> I meant the teletext decoder :)
[6:38] <maicod> sorry
[6:38] <AC`97> that power supply looks delicious
[6:38] <maicod> LOL
[6:38] <Tachyon`> what, bcause it has a chip on it
[6:39] <maicod> is the decoder handbuild >?
[6:39] <AC`97> om nom nom
[6:39] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure why that was temporarily removed -.o
[6:39] <Tachyon`> no, the decoder was bought as is
[6:39] <maicod> will wget mangle files by adding linebreaks ?
[6:39] <Tachyon`> the SD interface is all I hand built
[6:39] <Tachyon`> no
[6:39] <Tachyon`> it's not ftp
[6:39] <maicod> I mean do I need to zip it ?
[6:39] <AC`97> that battery looks delicious
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[6:39] <maicod> ah OK
[6:39] <Tachyon`> what battery?
[6:40] <AC`97> The Battery.
[6:40] <Tachyon`> there's no battery in my picture
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[6:40] <AC`97> ORLY
[6:40] <maicod> OK Tachyon`: I got my parallel port (rs232) teletext decoder for the amiga from a german shop
[6:40] <Tachyon`> serial port*
[6:40] <Tachyon`> and ahh
[6:40] <maicod> is it ?
[6:40] <maicod> oops
[6:40] <Tachyon`> my 1200 isn't setup atm
[6:40] <maicod> I though rs232 is parallel
[6:40] <Tachyon`> as the A3020 is in its place
[6:41] <Tachyon`> no, rs232 serial, one bit at a time
[6:41] <maicod> ok ;)
[6:41] * maicod gets forgetful:P
[6:42] <maicod> what was the name of the paralel ?
[6:42] <Tachyon`> parallel although it was sometimes called centronics
[6:42] <maicod> centronics for printers but for generic ?
[6:42] <maicod> yeah only that weird connector
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[6:42] <Tachyon`> aye
[6:42] <maicod> hehe
[6:42] <maicod> do you know a british brand called MicroVitec ?
[6:42] <Tachyon`> yes, I have oen of their CUB monitors
[6:42] <Tachyon`> on my BBC
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[6:42] <maicod> they built my amiga screen
[6:42] <Tachyon`> ahh
[6:42] <maicod> hehe
[6:43] <Tachyon`> I have an Acorn AKF53 on my A3020/A1200
[6:43] <maicod> it needed to be RGB with special low rate lines
[6:43] <Tachyon`> as it's a multisync
[6:43] <maicod> or such
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[6:43] <Tachyon`> and both machines use both 15 and 30KHz modes
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[6:43] <maicod> I meant that yea
[6:43] <maicod> the lower ones
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[6:43] <Tachyon`> aye
[6:43] <Tachyon`> I only have one
[6:43] <Tachyon`> they're so hard to find
[6:43] <maicod> hehe
[6:43] <Tachyon`> need another -.-
[6:43] <maicod> mine is not for grabs :)
[6:43] <Tachyon`> I'd like a commodore branded one for the 1200
[6:43] <Tachyon`> but they're not so easy to find
[6:44] <maicod> could it be the 1438 ?
[6:44] <maicod> or such
[6:44] <maicod> the one I got
[6:44] <maicod> I forgot the nr
[6:44] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure of the number
[6:44] <Tachyon`> interestingly, there are a number of LCD TVs that can handle 15KHz and 30Khz modes on the VGA input
[6:44] <maicod> http://bboah.claunia.com/1438.html
[6:44] <maicod> yea
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[6:44] <Tachyon`> sadly most of them are widescreen
[6:45] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-G2420HD-Widescreen-Response-1920x1080
[6:45] <maicod> Tachyon`: to have such a low refresh it needs to have higher phosphoric capabilities ?
[6:45] <Tachyon`> that one in particular although good look finding one
[6:45] <maicod> it says: e're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site
[6:46] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002M1FH2Q
[6:46] <Tachyon`> sorry, trimmed the wrong bit from the url
[6:46] <maicod> heh
[6:46] <Tachyon`> but that particular model is known to do 15KHz modes and produce a nice picture
[6:46] <maicod> you'd be left with huge black sideborders huh
[6:46] <Tachyon`> that is unfortunate, yes
[6:46] <maicod> :(
[6:47] <Tachyon`> although the amiga in NTSC mode just about fits with teh zoom option
[6:47] <maicod> ah OK
[6:47] <__machine> anyone seen a sub-12" monitor with hdmi and dvi inputs, or hdmi/dvi and vga inputs?
[6:47] <Tachyon`> HDMI and DVI are essentially the same
[6:47] <Tachyon`> do you really need both?
[6:47] <maicod> wow I got demonattack running !!!!!!!!
[6:48] <maicod> it was just like this: stella demonatk.bin :)
[6:48] <__machine> Tachyon`: i need two inputs... either both digital (preferable) or one digital and one analogue (vga)
[6:48] <Tachyon`> what I wish someone would do is make a DVI to Laptop display adapter
[6:49] <maicod> tachyon: can you install stella and a 2600 game
[6:49] <maicod> its cool!
[6:49] <Tachyon`> I can but the pi isn't on atm
[6:49] <maicod> ok :)
[6:49] <maicod> I'm gonna hookup my speakers
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[6:49] <Tachyon`> besides, I use my pandora for games in teh main
[6:49] <Tachyon`> or the PSP if I'm going out
[6:49] <Tachyon`> both of which do very well re emulation
[6:50] <maicod> sound works too !
[6:50] <Tachyon`> that's a bloody miracle
[6:50] <Tachyon`> it doesn't on half the X apps I've tried
[6:50] <maicod> oh not even on the wheezy ?
[6:50] <maicod> the 2012-09-18
[6:51] <Tachyon`> gweled (bejeweled) is lackig it for example
[6:51] <Tachyon`> yes
[6:51] <maicod> oh
[6:51] <Tachyon`> that's what I'm running mainly
[6:51] <maicod> btw I didnt run X
[6:51] <Tachyon`> the hf variant
[6:51] <Tachyon`> ahh
[6:51] <Tachyon`> SDL stuff generally works
[6:51] <maicod> it works from console :)
[6:51] <Tachyon`> yes, because it's using SDL afaik
[6:51] <Tachyon`> although I'm not a fan of the console SDL postage stamp effect
[6:51] <maicod> I don't know all these stuff like you naming (SDL)
[6:52] <Tachyon`> SDL is the graphics library that things that work at the console in addition to X tend to use
[6:52] <maicod> burning-in ?
[6:52] <maicod> ah OK
[6:52] <Tachyon`> well, graphics/audio/input actually, it's fairly complete
[6:52] <maicod> I had to kill demon attack cause I could turn down the volume ;)
[6:52] <Tachyon`> oops
[6:52] <maicod> still someone sleeping here ;)
[6:52] <maicod> it was very loud LOL
[6:53] <Tachyon`> I should be asleep now but if i sleep I'll likely miss a delivery of a mifi
[6:53] <maicod> oh you got to wait for the postal man?
[6:53] <Tachyon`> aye -.o
[6:53] <maicod> :(
[6:53] <maicod> can take ages
[6:53] <maicod> hours
[6:53] <Tachyon`> actually bought internet on a contract
[6:53] <Tachyon`> although in a form I can carry with me at least
[6:53] <maicod> mifi is cool
[6:54] <maicod> 3G acces point huh
[6:54] <Tachyon`> aye, it claims it can do over 20mbit due to HSDPA+
[6:54] <Tachyon`> my phone works as one but at rather more limited speeds
[6:54] * maicod is oldfashioned and has no smartphone yet ;)
[6:54] <Tachyon`> plus I don't want phone/net on same sim, that's just asking for trouble
[6:54] <maicod> I got a Tablet though
[6:54] <maicod> my phone is pre-smartphone era :)
[6:55] <Tachyon`> I have a wildfire S phone and a 7" phone/tablet running android 2.2
[6:55] <maicod> it is from 2006 or 2007 or so
[6:55] <Tachyon`> which I got from maplins for ?120 recently
[6:55] <Tachyon`> as they had them on offer (and mayindeed still have them)
[6:55] <maicod> my Tablet is a Transformer TF101
[6:55] <maicod> 10.1
[6:55] <Tachyon`> http://www.maplin.co.uk/viewpad-7-touch-tablet-3g-and-gps-511340
[6:55] <Tachyon`> ah yes, still there
[6:55] <Tachyon`> ah, I looked at the transformer but it was fairly expensive
[6:55] <maicod> it was 360 euros
[6:55] <maicod> 32GB
[6:56] <maicod> februari 2012
[6:56] <maicod> don't know the prices now
[6:56] <maicod> what city are you from?
[6:56] <Tachyon`> York
[6:56] <Tachyon`> "Battery: 3240mAH, Standby 600hrs, Talk time GSM 26hrs, WCDMA 96hrs, Music 36hrs, Video 5hrs"
[6:57] <Tachyon`> and if you believe those specs I have a bridge for sale
[6:57] <maicod> ah I thought I'd know its location then but I don't
[6:57] <maicod> yeah I know that
[6:57] <Tachyon`> it's about 200 miles north of london
[6:57] <maicod> the battery time is always shorter
[6:57] <maicod> wow thats quite high
[6:57] <maicod> near Manchester ?
[6:57] <Tachyon`> except on pandora
[6:57] <Tachyon`> er, relatively near I suppose
[6:58] <maicod> OK
[6:58] <Tachyon`> Leeds is the nearest big(ger) city
[6:58] <maicod> ah
[6:58] <Tachyon`> although York isn't that small, 170,000 people etc,.
[6:58] <maicod> York isnt small either I guess
[6:58] <maicod> the name sounds familiar
[6:58] <maicod> ah you said it already
[6:58] <maicod> I live in a city you probably don't know
[6:58] <maicod> Purmerend
[6:58] <maicod> north-east of Amsterdam
[6:58] <maicod> 80.000 ppl
[6:59] <maicod> google it if u like
[6:59] <Tachyon`> ahh, I didn't know that one, most people know York for the cathedral, we have the largest gothic cathedral in western europe
[6:59] <maicod> ah I like historic things on cities .they make them have more 'name'
[7:00] <Tachyon`> http://www.thewhitehorseyork.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/minster.jpg
[7:00] <Tachyon`> outside
[7:00] <Tachyon`> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0tTP-uJPyYU/TY8TS9bzRkI/AAAAAAAAAsY/xjhBS0-TqAA/s1600/yorkminster11.jpg
[7:00] <maicod> some cities here are made onto sea acclaimed lands and have historic features
[7:00] <Tachyon`> part of the inside
[7:00] <maicod> looks cool
[7:00] <maicod> i've been to a city called Winchester once
[7:00] <Tachyon`> it's about 1000 years old
[7:00] <Tachyon`> no idea how they built it
[7:00] <maicod> its also old it used to be the capital of england
[7:00] <maicod> long ago
[7:01] <Tachyon`> so did York
[7:01] <Tachyon`> lol
[7:01] <maicod> winchester cathedral
[7:01] <maicod> aha
[7:01] <maicod> I also like Bath
[7:01] <maicod> the roman baths
[7:01] <maicod> you've been there ?
[7:03] <Tachyon`> I don't think so, don't really go down south so much
[7:03] <maicod> OK
[7:03] <maicod> cp: cannot stat `/boot/arm240_start.elf': No such file or directory
[7:03] <maicod> cp: cannot stat `/boot/arm240_start.elf': No such file or directory
[7:03] <maicod> cp: cannot stat `/boot/arm128_start.elf': No such file or directory
[7:03] <maicod> raspi-config got cripppled
[7:03] <Tachyon`> erm
[7:03] <Tachyon`> ah
[7:03] <Tachyon`> because it's set in config.txt now I suppose
[7:03] <maicod> its memory split option is not working anymore
[7:03] <Tachyon`> or so people say, I've not seen any updates on mine
[7:04] <maicod> yea but they shouldve removed it of raspi-config huh
[7:04] <Tachyon`> do I need to edit the sources.list
[7:04] <Tachyon`> and do a dist-upgrade?
[7:04] <maicod> I am honest in saying I don't know :)
[7:04] <Tachyon`> but did you not just do it?
[7:05] <maicod> I only did sudo apt-get update
[7:05] <maicod> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[7:05] <maicod> sudo rpi-update 192
[7:05] <Tachyon`> hrm
[7:05] <maicod> before I always reverted back to a new image off the raspberrypi site
[7:05] <Tachyon`> there's no rpi-update on mine but I'll try
[7:05] <maicod> rpi-update needs to be installed
[7:05] <maicod> holdon
[7:05] <Tachyon`> ah, I backup frequently, to the hard disk, that's what it's there for
[7:06] <maicod> sometimes getting a new image from the site is cool but it means all the work you've done on the previous installation is lost
[7:06] <maicod> so maybe the dist-upgrade does the same >?
[7:06] <maicod> no idea though :)
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[7:06] <Tachyon`> I keep home and usr as seperate filesystems to minimise that
[7:06] <maicod> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[7:06] <Tachyon`> home and /usr/src sorry
[7:06] <maicod> OK
[7:06] <Tachyon`> nto the whole of /usr/, that wouldn't work well
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[7:07] <maicod> I've not shared my filesys onto sdcard and hdd
[7:07] <Tachyon`> ah, nice, I shall update that
[7:07] <maicod> I backup the /dev/sdc2 with dd :) (sdc2 is the name on ubuntu)
[7:07] <maicod> on the Pi its mmcblk0p2
[7:08] <home> Tachyon`: I keep everything ggg
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[7:08] <maicod> but dd on the Pi is very slow and you can't dd a running filesys :)
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[7:08] <Tachyon`> ah, I boot into the rescue system, mount the existing ones then do like tar cvzf /fat32/backups/rootfs.tar.gz /mnt/rootfs or w/e
[7:08] <Tachyon`> saves space and time
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[7:08] <Tachyon`> as it backs up only used data
[7:08] <maicod> OK :)
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[7:08] <lunra> Hey guys. how do the new start.elfs work?
[7:08] <maicod> how do you go to the rescue ? init ..... ?
[7:08] <Tachyon`> when I say rescue syetm
[7:09] <Tachyon`> I mean I have a basic debian system on the hard disk, just change the cmdline.txt to boot into it
[7:09] <maicod> ah OK :)
[7:09] <Tachyon`> as it's a Bad Idea to backup a system you're actually running
[7:09] <Tachyon`> files may change during etc.
[7:09] <maicod> just another one using the same /boot on the sdcard huh
[7:09] <maicod> I know so I do it on my laptop
[7:09] <Tachyon`> ah, okay, lol
[7:09] <maicod> I take out the card and put it in the cardreader
[7:09] <Tachyon`> yes, I see how it's easily done that way, lol
[7:09] <maicod> ubuntu is my friend :)
[7:10] <Tachyon`> mainly going for safe ways using only the pi myself though, lol
[7:10] <maicod> learning all the time........learning all the time......... (monty python)
[7:10] <Tachyon`> I have a 32MB (yes, MB) SD card lurkign around somewhere, I shold find it and put just the files to boot the rescue partition on it
[7:10] <maicod> not that I am THAT old :P
[7:10] <maicod> I just know scenes from it :)
[7:11] <Tachyon`> ah, but how are you at identifying trees from a really long way away?
[7:11] <maicod> thats another sketch?
[7:12] <maicod> I know the 'funny walks' sketch for instance
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[7:12] <Tachyon`> ah right
[7:12] <Tachyon`> you should watch fawlty towers at some poitn
[7:13] <maicod> silly walks its called
[7:13] <maicod> I know fawlty
[7:13] <maicod> its very cool
[7:13] <maicod> Basil...........
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[7:13] <Tachyon`> the rat?
[7:13] <maicod> his wife says
[7:13] <Tachyon`> ah, the human
[7:13] <maicod> the dead rat huh
[7:13] <maicod> with the germans
[7:13] <Tachyon`> oh lol, the germans
[7:13] <maicod> yea
[7:13] <maicod> funny stuff
[7:14] <Tachyon`> he mentioned it once but I think he got away with it
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[7:14] <maicod> the italian is cool
[7:14] <Tachyon`> italian?
[7:14] <Tachyon`> ah, he's spanish, if you mean manuel?
[7:14] <maicod> ehm the concierge
[7:14] <maicod> yeah Manuel
[7:14] <maicod> ah ok spanish
[7:14] <maicod> his wife is sibil ?
[7:14] <Tachyon`> aye
[7:14] <maicod> hehe
[7:15] <Tachyon`> I use her as an example as to why I have no intention of marrying
[7:15] <Tachyon`> and thatcher, she's a good negative example too, milk snatching bint
[7:15] <lunra> So does anyone know how the new start.elf file works, or have a copy of the old 448-split one? I tried looking for a readme but couldn't find a relevant one
[7:15] <maicod> LOL yeah the 'strong wife' stuff
[7:15] <maicod> some wifes are like that but not all ofcourse
[7:15] <Tachyon`> well, I just don't cohabit well, lol
[7:15] <maicod> but indeed some can be very bitchy :)
[7:15] <Tachyon`> prefer living on my own -.o
[7:15] <maicod> thats ok
[7:15] <maicod> you don't have to
[7:16] <Tachyon`> I wish you'd tell a few of the locals that
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[7:16] <maicod> oh troubles ?
[7:16] <Tachyon`> I'm sure some are convinced I'm gay (I'm not, I like women fine, just choose not to live with them)
[7:16] <maicod> I know what you mean
[7:16] <Tachyon`> ((or anyone else for that matter, been there, done that, not doing it again))
[7:16] <maicod> its how people are unfortunately
[7:17] <maicod> but your fortunate to live in a larger city cause smalltowns can be much worse
[7:18] <maicod> these people are even more paying attention to unmarried ppl
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[7:18] <Tachyon`> ahh, eep -.-
[7:18] <maicod> maybe Netherlands is a bit more liberal
[7:18] <rikkib> Still getting the same old error when running motion on the newest firmware
[7:18] <Tachyon`> heard some horrors from america
[7:18] <maicod> yeah states like Alabama
[7:18] <Tachyon`> people being shunned by entire towns for not having an imaginary friend etc.
[7:19] <maicod> or Texas
[7:19] <maicod> rediculous behaviour especially for this century
[7:19] <maicod> ppl need to grow up
[7:19] <Tachyon`> aye, they do but they don't seem to be
[7:20] <Tachyon`> if anything america is regressing
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[7:20] <Tachyon`> do you know 47% of americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old?
[7:20] <maicod> editing a file on /boot while the pi is running is safe huh?
[7:20] <Tachyon`> aye
[7:20] <lunra> Found it. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20255&p=198079#p198079 if anyone's wondering
[7:20] <maicod> OK
[7:20] <AC`97> maicod: yes.
[7:20] <Tachyon`> they're only read at boot
[7:20] <maicod> no I didnt
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[7:20] <maicod> yeah OK
[7:20] <Tachyon`> it's shocking, I dunno what they think they're filling their cars with
[7:20] <maicod> so what line is there to change for the new split section?
[7:21] <Tachyon`> oh, I don't know, I need to update
[7:21] <maicod> ok I hate it why did they remove the .elf files
[7:21] <maicod> why not leave the raspi-config intact
[7:21] <AC`97> Tachyon`: how many people think the earth is OVER 9000!!!1! ?
[7:21] <recantha> Can't you still change the split through raspi-config?
[7:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, clearly it IS 10,000 year old. If we come from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys? Checkmate! </troll>
[7:21] <Tachyon`> oh dear
[7:22] <Tachyon`> you've seen the checkmate atheist site then, lol
[7:22] <lunra> tl;dr you need a gpu_mem= in your config.txt to change it
[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't, but I do enjoy listening to creationists talk.
[7:22] <ShiftPlusOne> at least trying to follow the reasoning
[7:22] <Tachyon`> I just bought a universe from nothing by lawrence krauss
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> the book, yeah?
[7:23] <Tachyon`> aye, need to read it, lol, got it for kindle yesterday
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I only watched the lecture
[7:23] <Tachyon`> ah, there's a lecture
[7:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup
[7:23] <maicod> lunra: thanks
[7:23] <Tachyon`> I'm hoping it'll explain what Stephen Hawking was talking about a few years ago
[7:24] <maicod> lunra: they shouldve edited out the memsplit option of raspi-config ;)
[7:24] <maicod> lunra: the /boot/*.elf files have gone :)
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, the lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo (or talk rather)
[7:24] <recantha> Oh dear... One would've thought they'd have learnt the lessons of Facebook... people do NOT like change, even on the RPi.
[7:25] <maicod> I added gpu_mem=16 to test
[7:25] <maicod> now rebooting
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[7:28] <maicod> does pibot not need sleep :)
[7:28] <recantha> I'm in the 256MB brigade. What are the new memory splits? The top and bottoms?
[7:28] <ShiftPlusOne> pibot doesn't sleep >=/
[7:28] <maicod> it seems so :)
[7:28] <ShiftPlusOne> it only gets drunk once in a while
[7:28] <uncola> raspbmc uses 256/256
[7:28] <maicod> heh
[7:28] <maicod> uncola:you got a new Pi :)
[7:29] * maicod wonders if he can turn in one of his Pi's for a new one
[7:29] <des2> Sell it for $30 buy a new $35 one.
[7:29] <maicod> will it sell for $30/
[7:29] <maicod> ?
[7:29] <maicod> is it still that scarce :)
[7:30] <des2> It's a Model A + 2nd usb + ethernet.
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[7:31] <maicod> yeah it is
[7:31] <maicod> I heard theyre chearning out A's (new rev.) like peas
[7:32] <maicod> from Wales
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[7:32] <Tachyon`> ah, they're finally selling the model A
[7:32] <Tachyon`> nice
[7:32] <des2> Are they making A's ?
[7:32] <maicod> well ehm
[7:32] <maicod> I mean the ones with ethernet
[7:32] <recantha> I think they've missed the boat with the model As.
[7:32] <maicod> thats not A its B huh
[7:32] <Tachyon`> aye
[7:32] <recantha> Mind you, I think they've missed the boat with the camera and Android too, but that's just me.
[7:32] <Tachyon`> the A is the mythical version with 1 USB port
[7:32] <maicod> they should not ever make the A's I think
[7:32] <Tachyon`> android is not a suitable computer OS
[7:32] <maicod> have they been made ?
[7:33] <des2> Well there's less reason for the A now that it has 256 MB
[7:33] <maicod> android is just playstuff
[7:33] <Tachyon`> android is for toys, linux is for computers
[7:33] <maicod> yea
[7:33] <maicod> agree
[7:33] <des2> But it will still sell if people can buy it for $25.
[7:33] <maicod> someone I spoke too bought a cortex A8 computer for 56 USD on DX.co
[7:33] <Tachyon`> I'm glad nobody decided to stick us with unity on the pi
[7:33] <maicod> com
[7:33] <Tachyon`> that would have been evil
[7:33] <maicod> unity is ?
[7:33] <Tachyon`> ah, my pandora uses the A8
[7:33] <recantha> If the price of touchscreens come down, I think Android has a future on the Pi. It's just the on-top cost that's holding anything back at the mo.
[7:33] <Tachyon`> the new ubuntu window manager
[7:34] <Tachyon`> or rather lack of window manager
[7:34] <maicod> oh that ugly sidebar
[7:34] <recantha> What are you talking about? That sidebar's lovely :p
[7:34] <Tachyon`> yes, that, it also seems to force all apps to a maximised window
[7:34] <maicod> I'm used to it :)
[7:34] <asaru> the unity desktop as they call it
[7:34] <asaru> its crap
[7:34] <Tachyon`> it's like 1985 again
[7:34] <Tachyon`> one thing at a time
[7:34] <des2> Unless it's for the Android Store apps (whatever they're calling it) why would you want Android ?
[7:34] <maicod> Tachyon`: indeed. I need a 'no stick' hack
[7:35] <maicod> is there one?
[7:35] <Tachyon`> I have no idea, I avoid unity
[7:35] <maicod> to disable topbar docking
[7:35] <Tachyon`> the best fix for unity is sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[7:35] <maicod> ehehe
[7:36] <maicod> how do I list my current memory split ?
[7:36] <maicod> I mean some /proc command
[7:36] <maicod> or such
[7:36] <maicod> cat /proc/blabla
[7:36] <Tachyon`> cat /proc/meminfo will tell you
[7:36] <Tachyon`> but so will free
[7:36] <maicod> thanks :)
[7:36] <maicod> ah free :)
[7:37] <maicod> Mem: 237868
[7:37] <maicod> means 16 MB left for GPU huh
[7:37] <maicod> then the gpu_mem works :)
[7:37] <maicod> I tried to change it in config.txt
[7:37] <maicod> I mean add it
[7:38] <Tachyon`> ahh
[7:38] <maicod> just seeing what it does
[7:38] <Tachyon`> 16 isn't enoguh for omxplayer to work in the main
[7:38] <Tachyon`> I doubt anything else would be affected
[7:38] <Tachyon`> 192/64 is optimal for using omxplayer to play HD content
[7:38] <maicod> btw the rpi-update 192 is not for changing the split as someone said but is for reverting back to some version of firmware (also someone else said that and he was right)
[7:39] <Tachyon`> aye, I noticed it mentioned that on the link
[7:39] <maicod> Tachyon`: I wanst planning on keeping 16/234
[7:39] <maicod> just playing
[7:39] <Tachyon`> 16/240 and ahh ;p
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[7:39] <maicod> oh :)
[7:39] <maicod> hehe
[7:39] <Tachyon`> but if you don't use omxplayer
[7:39] <des2> So what the heck does rpi-update 192 do ?
[7:39] <Tachyon`> you probably should keep that
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[7:40] <maicod> des2: revert to a specific firmware
[7:40] <Tachyon`> I think it selects a particular revision of the firmware
[7:40] <maicod> I think for 99 %
[7:40] <maicod> hehe
[7:40] <Tachyon`> it does mention this on the page in the expert bit
[7:40] <maicod> oh didnt read that *OOPS*
[7:40] <maicod> LOL
[7:40] <des2> But rpi-config 192 works for memory split, yes ?
[7:40] <lunra> IMO USB is too dodgy for using Pi as a desktop
[7:40] <maicod> des: no
[7:41] <maicod> des2: use gpu_mem= in the config.txt
[7:41] <maicod> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20642&p=199936
[7:41] <maicod> see post of abishur
[7:42] <Tachyon`> oh this is lovely
[7:42] <des2> heh. ok.
[7:42] <Tachyon`> this update
[7:42] <Tachyon`> I'll have to take a picture
[7:42] <maicod> which update ?
[7:42] <maicod> rpi-?
[7:42] <lunra> I set arm_freq=1100 without any overvolt and it hasn't crashed yet -- uptime is 6 minutes
[7:42] <maicod> cool lunra
[7:42] <maicod> and temps?
[7:42] <lunra> Not sure if it actually supports clocks that high
[7:42] <recantha> Is the 512mb still okay for overvolt?
[7:43] <lunra> I'm not going to overvolt because I don't want to void my warrenty
[7:43] <lunra> Sec and I'll find out how to get the temperature
[7:43] <recantha> WIth the 256mb, a certain amount of overvolt was still covered in the warranty.
[7:43] <maicod> I thought it was allowed now?
[7:43] <recantha> Just wondered if the 512 was still allowing it.
[7:43] <maicod> oh so not everything is allowed ?
[7:43] <des2> You are overvolting the cpu
[7:43] <maicod> when does the warranty bit go bust
[7:44] <lunra> Ah
[7:44] <des2> The only difference is the 512 has more ram on chip than 256.
[7:44] <maicod> Tachyon`: what is a neat gpu setting for quake ?
[7:44] <lunra> Pretty sure you're still allowed to before that certain point, because the CPU hasn't changed
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[7:44] <maicod> lunra: are only the predefined settings of raspi-config allwoed ?
[7:45] <recantha> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[7:45] <recantha> talks about the turbo mode with overvolting.
[7:45] <lunra> I guess so. I'm running Arch so I haven't played with that at all
[7:45] <maicod> ok
[7:45] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepiupdated.jpg
[7:45] <maicod> me neither yet
[7:45] <Tachyon`> spot the update problem
[7:45] <maicod> ouch
[7:45] <maicod> it crashed
[7:46] <recantha> @maicod Perfect
[7:46] <maicod> tachyon: I see kernel error :)
[7:46] <Tachyon`> yes, I see that too
[7:46] <Tachyon`> lol
[7:46] <maicod> heheeh
[7:46] <recantha> It says on the Foundation site you can go up to 6 overvolt.
[7:46] <recantha> Whatever the '6' is.
[7:46] <maicod> oh got no ideas don't ask me :)
[7:47] <Tachyon`> it's an arbitrary scale
[7:47] <Tachyon`> doesn't mean anything
[7:47] <Tachyon`> just bigger is more
[7:47] <maicod> recantha: playing old 80s gamecomputers games on an emulator on the Pi is cool. I just did it :)
[7:47] <lunra> I suppose I should ramp up the CPU before even slightly suggesting I can 'successfully overclock'
[7:47] <Tachyon`> there's a nice fuse spectrum emulator
[7:47] <lunra> [root@Hina ~]# vcgencmd measure_temp
[7:47] <lunra> temp=38.5'C
[7:47] <des2> I want to go to 11
[7:47] <maicod> lunra: and its topping to 100% cpu?
[7:48] <maicod> 38 sounds low
[7:48] <Tachyon`> well, it worked the second time
[7:48] <Tachyon`> what the hell
[7:48] <lunra> I'm about to write a program to max it out
[7:48] <maicod> mine is often 50 without overclock
[7:48] <Tachyon`> I didn't change anything
[7:48] <maicod> OK
[7:48] <des2> I think I paid less for my used Atari 2600.
[7:49] <maicod> LOL
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[7:49] <maicod> des2: I just played demon attack
[7:49] <maicod> even sound worked
[7:49] <recantha> I'm dying to get a Dragon 64 emulator running. One game in particular used to have my family hooked.
[7:49] <maicod> I had that with demonattack
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[7:50] <maicod> somehow it always enjoyed my whole family
[7:50] <maicod> its addictive
[7:50] <lunra> Woops, arch doesn't include a c compiler, give me a few minutes
[7:50] <maicod> apt-get blabla :)
[7:50] <maicod> onoes
[7:50] <maicod> its arch
[7:50] <maicod> no apt-get
[7:51] <lunra> pacman -S clang llvm ;)
[7:51] <maicod> LOL
[7:51] <des2> You have to play pacman on arch
[7:51] <maicod> or .configure/make/make install but ooooooops I ain't got a C compiler so the chicken and egg :)
[7:52] <recantha> Has anyone got Chuckie Egg to work?
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[7:52] <maicod> does most stuff work with 192/64 memsplit?
[7:52] <maicod> like quake3
[7:53] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure, I'd expect so
[7:53] <Tachyon`> but I've not tried any 3D games as yet
[7:53] <maicod> ok :)
[7:53] <Tachyon`> well, except armagetronad which segfaulted at start
[7:53] <maicod> it didnt want to swap eh :P
[7:53] <Tachyon`> there is no swap atm
[7:53] <maicod> it needed realmem
[7:54] <Tachyon`> but the memory was nowhere near used
[7:54] <maicod> oh
[7:54] <Tachyon`> it's probably choking on teh lack of real opengl
[7:54] <maicod> he
[7:54] <maicod> heh
[7:54] <Tachyon`> I was unable to port it to the pandora unfortuantely
[7:54] <Tachyon`> due to the opengl and my not knowing how to adapt it to GLES
[7:55] <Tachyon`> although given this machine also runs GLES perhaps someone will port it, lol
[7:55] <maicod> you are talking chinese now :)
[7:55] <maicod> to me ;)
[7:56] <Tachyon`> fairly different 3D libaries, OpenGL is the standard, OpenGL ES is what appears on embedded systems (hence the name I suppose) and is what the pi has, 2.0 I think
[7:57] <Tachyon`> well, libraries and hardware
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[7:57] <maicod> ah thats where GLES comes from
[7:57] <Tachyon`> the libraries are what we see obviously but it's the ahrdwre that's actually quite differnet, even GL ES 1.1 and 2.0 are fairly different
[7:57] <maicod> GL ES
[7:57] <maicod> so does the GLES talk with the Pi's GPU ?
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[7:57] <maicod> otherwise it wouldnt be hw accelerated
[7:57] <Tachyon`> well, the GPU handles that
[7:58] <maicod> but what directs it to the GPU?
[7:58] <Tachyon`> ah, you said GPU
[7:58] <Tachyon`> I'm so tired I'm misreading simple words
[7:58] <maicod> yea hehe
[7:58] <maicod> what is this vchiq ?
[7:58] <Tachyon`> well, you do, and the library
[7:59] <Tachyon`> I don't even know how GL works at a high level, don't ask me how it is internally
[7:59] <maicod> its code in the language the GPU talks ? :)
[7:59] * Tachyon` has done no 3D programming at all as yet
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[7:59] <lunra> gles is the biggest pain :\
[8:00] * maicod wonders if we could write programs that use the GPU to do speedy calcs like encoding raw video or audio to compressed formats
[8:00] <Tachyon`> the maths involved in 3D scares me, lol
[8:00] <maicod> the Pi has 2 dirs one called GLES and one GLES2
[8:00] <maicod> hehe
[8:00] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm
[8:00] <Tachyon`> perhaps it also supports 1.1 and 2.0 then
[8:00] <kiddy> hi guys, is smsc95xx.turbo_mode=Y the correct way to enable OC ?
[8:00] <Tachyon`> you can configure that with raspi-config
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[8:01] <maicod> ehm just run raspi-config and choose a o/c setting?
[8:01] <kiddy> i m using arch linux arm, no raspi-config ?
[8:01] <Tachyon`> oh okay
[8:01] <maicod> oh hehe
[8:01] <lunra> Successfully installed gcc and clang without a crash, that's gotta count for something
[8:01] <Tachyon`> not sure how it's done in arch, sorry -.-
[8:01] <maicod> lunra: sounds its holding
[8:01] <maicod> lunra: temps ?
[8:01] <kiddy> cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't show OC clock, does it?
[8:01] <spadusa> Anyone know what the solution for overscan on a Fedora installation is?
[8:01] <Tachyon`> no but something else does, in /sys I think
[8:01] <maicod> vgcencmd
[8:01] <maicod> >
[8:01] <maicod> ?
[8:02] <Tachyon`> I can't remember the exact name/path though
[8:02] <spadusa> Tried adding the overscan line in /boot/config.txt
[8:02] <spadusa> Didn't work.
[8:02] <Tachyon`> it's on by default
[8:02] <maicod> http://www.elinux.org/RPI_vcgencmd_usage is handy
[8:02] <Tachyon`> you need the option only to turn it off
[8:02] <maicod> installed by rpi-update huh guys ?
[8:03] <spadusa> Tachyon`: I think I need to turn it off. The screen is offset to the left and down quite a bit.
[8:03] <kiddy> hm ... # /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[8:03] <kiddy> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[8:03] <Tachyon`> yes
[8:03] <Tachyon`> you need overscan=0 I think
[8:03] <Tachyon`> let me check the file here
[8:03] <maicod> kiddy: I don't know if it works in arch
[8:04] <kiddy> maicod: the command is there, but library's missing
[8:04] <spadusa> I added disable_overscan=1
[8:04] <maicod> kiddy: its installed by rpi-config on wheezy distros
[8:04] <Tachyon`> ahh
[8:04] <maicod> yeah it seems kiddy
[8:04] <Tachyon`> disable_overscan=1 will do it
[8:04] <Tachyon`> check your TV zoom mode
[8:04] <spadusa> It didn't though.
[8:04] <lunra> maicod: temp=40.1'C
[8:04] <maicod> kiddy: try google maybe you can find how to install the library
[8:04] <Tachyon`> there's probably several
[8:04] <kiddy> maicod: thanks, i will look for similar packages
[8:04] <Tachyon`> did you reboot?
[8:04] <maicod> lunra: ah neat
[8:04] <spadusa> Of course.
[8:04] <maicod> yw kiddy
[8:04] <lunra> running a test program
[8:04] <Tachyon`> well, I dunno what to say, it works
[8:04] <spadusa> It's the Fedora distro with Qt on it.
[8:05] <Tachyon`> oh, that
[8:05] <Tachyon`> I never got that to work
[8:05] <spadusa> Bah.
[8:05] <Tachyon`> kept starting up in SD with bits cut off
[8:05] <spadusa> What a cluster.
[8:05] <spadusa> It's working.
[8:05] <spadusa> Just the screen isn't.
[8:05] <Tachyon`> well, yes
[8:05] <Tachyon`> I consider that broken
[8:05] <spadusa> Well, yes. True.
[8:05] <spadusa> Bother.
[8:06] <Tachyon`> you'd have to enable and increase the overscan to get it readable but I just didn't bother
[8:06] <Tachyon`> are you in a PAL region by any chance?
[8:06] <Tachyon`> I'm certainly wondering if whoever came up with the defaults for SD isn't
[8:06] <lunra> Um. [root@Hina ~]# vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[8:06] <lunra> frequency(45)=700074000
[8:07] <Tachyon`> oh, USA, NTSC then
[8:07] <maicod> look my Pi's stats : www.maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php
[8:07] <Tachyon`> assuming you live there and aren't just expressing your support for the place in your nick
[8:07] <maicod> oops add http://
[8:07] <maicod> http://maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php
[8:08] * Tachyon` eyes lunra
[8:08] <Tachyon`> am I seeing sailormoon references?
[8:08] <kiddy> maicod: thanks, google does it, i just have to set PATH
[8:08] <spadusa> Tachyon`: Not in a PAL region.
[8:08] <maicod> kiddy: wow cool
[8:08] <maicod> kiddy: if you install atouks piwww.zip and a php and a webserver you can see the same as I just showed
[8:09] <maicod> I got the piwww.zip if u need it
[8:09] <Tachyon`> spadusa, are you using HDMI?
[8:09] <spadusa> Tachyon`: Yes.
[8:09] <Tachyon`> try forcing HDMI on
[8:09] <spadusa> How?
[8:09] <Tachyon`> with hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[8:09] <Tachyon`> in config.txt
[8:09] <lunra> Tachyon`: Nope
[8:09] <maicod> lunra; how come yours is so cool. mine is now already 47.6 celsius (its inside a lego housing)
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[8:10] <Tachyon`> oh right, I did wonder as Luna is one of the cats and Hina is I think one of the characters
[8:10] <lunra> maicod: Because apparently, the clock isn't changing
[8:10] <Tachyon`> although can't remember as haven't seen it in 20 years or something
[8:10] <lunra> I just tried arm_freq=1000 and it still gives what I pasted a moment ago
[8:10] <Tachyon`> hrm
[8:10] <Tachyon`> you need to load the system
[8:10] <maicod> oh so since its probably a setting it doesnt know its reverted to 700 mhz >?
[8:10] <Tachyon`> th eoverclocking is automatic
[8:10] <spadusa> Tachyon`: Is there a way to force the dhclient to happen on boot, too?
[8:10] <Tachyon`> try running xaos or something then checking the speed
[8:10] <Tachyon`> it should anyway, I've not used qtonpi
[8:11] <spadusa> Right now I have to manually log in and do the dhclient eth0 crap.
[8:11] <Tachyon`> well, that's not such a chore
[8:11] <maicod> lunra: did you see my stats page?
[8:11] <Tachyon`> but with it not being debian I'm not sure how to set an interface as auto
[8:11] <Tachyon`> in debian you'd nrmally edit only /etc/network/interfaces
[8:11] <lunra> maicod: Nope, I'll take a look now
[8:11] <spadusa> It is when I don't have a spare keyboard. And the keyboard I have is a power hungry Logitech G15
[8:11] <maicod> ok cool
[8:11] <maicod> http://maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php
[8:11] <spadusa> Bah. This Fedora crap is a pain.
[8:11] <Tachyon`> ah, I had the original G15
[8:11] <Tachyon`> with the 18 macro keys
[8:12] <Tachyon`> excellent keyboard but didn't last very long
[8:12] <spadusa> Heh.
[8:12] <spadusa> Mine's alive a kicking for 4 years now.
[8:12] <Tachyon`> never clean it with water
[8:12] <spadusa> ...
[8:12] <Tachyon`> the traces in teh membrane are water soluble
[8:12] <Tachyon`> the smallest drop between the keys
[8:12] <spadusa> Nice.
[8:12] <Tachyon`> and it's knackered
[8:12] <Tachyon`> that's how mine went, lol
[8:12] <Tachyon`> although the display from it is still here showing syetm info
[8:12] <spadusa> Alright. Guess I'm going back to square 1: compiling Qt5 on Raspbian :(
[8:12] <maicod> Tachyon`: the carbon stuff that conducts the electricity you mean?
[8:13] <Tachyon`> well, whatever it's made of, yes
[8:13] <maicod> its carbon :)
[8:13] <Tachyon`> on those the tracks just dissolve
[8:13] <Tachyon`> with the slightest hint of water
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[8:13] <maicod> heh
[8:13] <Tachyon`> whatever it usually is
[8:13] <Tachyon`> the G15 is different
[8:13] <maicod> or the traces solved :)
[8:13] <maicod> dissolved
[8:13] <Tachyon`> they weren't black either
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[8:14] <Tachyon`> but yeah, there were like gaps, cm long in the tracks
[8:14] <Tachyon`> where the water had come into contact
[8:14] <maicod> the tracing is just a plastic layer with copper or so lines :)
[8:14] <Tachyon`> and it was only in contact for teh 10 minutes it took me to take it apart
[8:14] <lunra> http://paste.ee/p/HYhos test program
[8:14] <Tachyon`> yes, I know what it usually i
[8:14] <Tachyon`> but the g15 keyboard is not usual, lol
[8:14] <lunra> compiled with gcc cpu.c -o cpu -mfpu=vfp
[8:14] <maicod> aha
[8:14] <maicod> lunra beware to not compile yourself ;)
[8:15] <lunra> Maybe overclock isn't supported with arch, and maybe some software is required
[8:15] <lunra> hmm?
[8:15] <Tachyon`> it only overcloks when under load afaik?
[8:15] <Tachyon`> run xaos in a window or somthing to load it
[8:15] <Tachyon`> then check teh speed
[8:16] <maicod> or let it run behind its own tail
[8:16] <lunra> I'll grab xaos, but this program definitely generates load
[8:16] <maicod> what is xaos doin?
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[8:16] <Tachyon`> it's a fractal zoomer
[8:16] <maicod> cool
[8:16] <maicod> want it :)
[8:16] <Tachyon`> once it's running, press A
[8:16] <Tachyon`> for autopilot
[8:16] <lunra> oh, I see. I'm running headless
[8:16] <Tachyon`> it's packaged
[8:16] <maicod> OK
[8:16] <Tachyon`> oh, okay
[8:16] <maicod> ah easypeasy
[8:17] <Tachyon`> lunra, I'd normally suggest the mersenne prime test but I was unable to find it
[8:17] <Tachyon`> no heads required
[8:17] <lunra> I'm running five copies of my sqrt program, loadavg is currently 3.74
[8:17] <Tachyon`> ahh
[8:17] <maicod> sometimes my pi doesnt wanna eat the sdcards
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[8:17] <maicod> cause its hidden in a lego casing ;()
[8:18] <lunra> output piped to /dev/null, mind
[8:18] <Tachyon`> I hope you donated to that girl who designed it, lol
[8:18] <maicod> hahaha nah I made this one myself
[8:18] <maicod> just stick a few blocks et voila :)
[8:19] <lunra> hmm, I'll grab cpufreqd and see if that will reconfigure the CPU
[8:20] <lunra> and hope to gelhell it doesn't automagically overvolt
[8:20] <lunra> *hell
[8:21] <maicod> lunra: you trying to go besides the o/c profiles that raspi-config does huh
[8:21] <maicod> oh no arch
[8:21] <maicod> keep forgetting
[8:22] <des2> He's trying for the arch Deluxe.
[8:22] <maicod> yea forgot that
[8:22] * maicod thinks in laymans terms (wheezy distros) heh
[8:23] <maicod> one can wget stuff from the github site too eh ?
[8:23] <maicod> instead of git .....
[8:25] <des2> yes
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[8:27] <maicod> des2: I meant the link in the http box on the github site. it should be the same I guess as git clone
[8:27] <lunra> damn, seems to have crashed starting cpupower (replaces cpufreqd)
[8:27] <maicod> it didnt wanna boot anymore?
[8:28] <lunra> nah, it boots
[8:29] <maicod> ok :)
[8:29] * maicod ordered the firedep.
[8:30] <des2> Your PI is on fire ?
[8:30] <maicod> nope for lunra :)
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[8:33] <lunra> Yay, frequency(45)=800000000
[8:34] <lunra> Bah. Crashes at 1GHz. False alarm, guys.
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[8:35] <lunra> Let's see if it can be stable at 950MHz, which it will run to.
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[8:35] <maicod> hehe
[8:35] <maicod> hope so
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[8:38] <lunra> Seems good :)
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[8:40] <maicod> now you need to compare xaos drawing of a fractal between non overclock and 950 mode
[8:40] <maicod> hehe
[8:40] <maicod> difference in rendering time
[8:40] <lunra> For that, I'd have to install X11
[8:41] <lunra> yay, the temperature's finally climed to 43C
[8:41] <maicod> fortunately though cause when xaos woulve been enhanced by the Pi's GPU it wouldnt be a good test
[8:41] <maicod> heh
[8:41] <lunra> Fractals are probably still CPU-bound
[8:41] <maicod> the firedep I ordered was already waiting for that
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[8:42] <maicod> could a gpu calculate like the cpu can ?
[8:42] <maicod> I mean use it for say compression of a file (zip or so)
[8:42] <lunra> A gpu can't do that well
[8:43] <lunra> GPU processors are good at doing simple but heavily mathematical things that don't manipulate memory much.
[8:43] <maicod> can a GPU only decode fast and not encode ?
[8:43] <Jck_true> maicod: If you can somehow convert your proccess to images then yes you can :P
[8:44] <maicod> ah LOL
[8:44] <Jck_true> maicod: The GPU can also encode h.264 video
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[8:44] <lunra> You may be thinking 'but textures!' Yeah, but a shader only uses a couple of bytes for every pixel during execution
[8:44] <maicod> OK but encoding doesnt use memory ?
[8:44] <maicod> I mean manipulation of memory
[8:44] <maicod> what about cuda ?
[8:45] <Jck_true> no cuda for you
[8:45] <maicod> cuda is the same for the geforce right?
[8:45] <Jck_true> the gpu is closed -
[8:45] <lunra> Wait, I confused myself. I suppose you could probably render fractals with a GPU shader. But I doubt xaos does this.
[8:45] <maicod> OK
[8:45] <lunra> temp=44.4'C
[8:45] <maicod> Jck_true: yeah thats why its so cheap
[8:45] <maicod> Jck_true: we even have to pay for the mpeg2
[8:45] <maicod> slowly rising
[8:46] <maicod> is it cause the GPU has all the h264 stuff hardcoded into it ?
[8:46] <maicod> subroutines etc
[8:47] <des2> maicod you need atouk's online temp graph so we call all watch your temp
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[8:47] <maicod> des2: I got it working. didnt you see it earlier on ?
[8:47] <Jck_true> mmmm - Bought 4 cakes for work... Only 3 people comming in today... So I'm gonna grab one now
[8:47] <maicod> des2: I however am currently at another sdcard that hasnt got it installed
[8:47] <maicod> LOL Jck_true
[8:47] <maicod> sure the 4th one isnt late ?
[8:47] <maicod> :)
[8:48] <maicod> Jck_true congrats !
[8:48] <Jck_true> maicod: I'll just claim there only was 3 :P
[8:48] <des2> lol
[8:48] <maicod> hhaha
[8:48] <des2> "I only saw 3, really"
[8:48] <Jck_true> Damm girl at the store cheated me!
[8:48] <maicod> des2: my Pi can't stay on for days cause it sits on the living room table and needs to be cleared :)
[8:49] <maicod> birthday Jck_true ?
[8:49] <Jck_true> mmm - That was good :)
[8:49] <maicod> haha
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[8:49] <Jck_true> maicod: Nah - I screwed up at work yesterday - that means bringing cake
[8:49] <maicod> in NL we got cakes called Moorkoppen. they are balls with chocolate cover and inside is whipcream
[8:49] <maicod> ah oops
[8:50] <Jck_true> Danish... And I brought danish...
[8:50] <des2> Put it in the refrigerator maicod, PI can last for weeks there.
[8:50] <maicod> danish has 'grapes' in it ?
[8:50] <maicod> hahaha des2
[8:50] <maicod> I mean raisins
[8:50] <maicod> flattened grapes :)
[8:50] <Jck_true> maicod: There's a million variations...
[8:50] <maicod> oh are you american?
[8:51] <Jck_true> No... I'm danish
[8:51] <des2> I like a prune danish
[8:51] <Jck_true> Denmark
[8:51] <maicod> oh oops
[8:52] <lunra> Juuust touched 45C and I'm bored. Time to go make dinner XD. Have fun, guys
[8:52] <maicod> I thought you called them Danish since sometimes outside a motherland exported cakes or cheese or such has the name from the motherland
[8:52] <maicod> Jck_true: Nederland here :)
[8:52] <maicod> Jck_true: http://tinyurl.com/8nexxeq
[8:52] <maicod> moorkop
[8:52] <maicod> you're close :)
[8:53] <maicod> des2:thats probably a girl LOL
[8:54] <maicod> seeya lunrar
[8:54] <maicod> seeya lunra
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[9:00] <maicod> seeya all tonight
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[10:05] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:11] <booyaa> howdy mr
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[10:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> moring all
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
[10:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> jeeze those SM components are small ....
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[10:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> right cofffee then a trip to the post office to send a RPi to a friend
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[10:43] <gordonDrogon> you're soldering up a Gertboard?
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[10:46] <des2> They're more like S&M components.
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[11:29] <Swat-> Since i received my rpi (model: B) is have some locks/freezes over time. A simple power cycle 'solves' it but i wanted to know what was causing it.
[11:30] <des2> #1 suspect - power supply.
[11:30] <Jck_true> Swat-: Powersupply - Powersupply - Powersupply
[11:31] <Dyskette> Yeah, mine's been rock solid over the last two or three months
[11:31] <des2> Are you doing anything when the locks occur ?
[11:31] <Swat-> The thing is i already tried 2, and got a verified working - powered - hub.
[11:31] <Swat-> des2: yes i did an apt-get upgrade :)
[11:31] <des2> Is it revision 1 or 2 ?
[11:31] <Swat-> Good q, lemme check
[11:32] <Dyskette> Also, do you have a dynamic overclock going?
[11:32] <Swat-> Nope.
[11:32] <Dyskette> Because that could cause under-load crashes.
[11:32] <Dyskette> Ah, okay.
[11:32] <Jck_true> Swat-: Did you measure TP1 and TP2? with a multimeter?
[11:32] <Swat-> Jck-true: not yet.
[11:32] <des2> 1 vs 2: http://imgur.com/a/b6Gx0#0
[11:33] <des2> So exactly how are you powering the PI ?
[11:33] <Swat-> The thing is that yesterday i saw a kernel trace on the console going nuts, i left it tracing and this morning it still was scrolling.
[11:33] <Jck_true> I had some issues with the LAN/USB stack with the older firmware...
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[11:34] <Jck_true> But they seem to be fixed now (Allthrough the lan does still drop occasionally on mine with very heavy load)
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[11:34] <recantha> Mornin'
[11:34] <Swat-> des2: its rev. 2
[11:34] <des2> ok good.
[11:34] <des2> So exactly how are you powering the PI ?
[11:36] <Swat-> des2: i am using a eminent 4 port - powered - hub (which was on the verified peripherals)
[11:36] <Swat-> This one: http://www.eminent-online.com/en/product/22/em1102-4-port-usb-hub---black.html
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[11:37] <des2> so the PI is connected to the HUB and that powers the PI through the 2 usb port connector ?
[11:37] <des2> Or a cable to the small usb connector ?
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[11:38] <des2> "Power supply: 5V 1A"
[11:38] <Jck_true> Swat-: Get a multimeter and check TP1 and TP2 - The amount of terrible USB Micro cables i've bought is insane :|
[11:38] <recantha> Cute hub, that one.
[11:38] <des2> That's a little marginal for powering both the PI and the hub
[11:39] <Swat-> Normal usb-to-micro-usb cable that powers the rpi
[11:39] <des2> ok
[11:39] <des2> At this point I'd follow Jck_true's advice.
[11:39] <Swat-> its not the top port (but they are not numbered)
[11:39] <des2> And see if you can measure the voltages
[11:39] <Dyskette> Swat-: is there anything else plugged into the hub
[11:39] <Swat-> Jck_true: getting my multimeter as we speak
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[11:40] <Swat-> Dyskette: i was about to say: a bluetooth dongle and a 32GB sandisk usb-stick where the rpi runs from (its boots from a 8GB sd-card)
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[11:41] <Swat-> Is it possible at all that the RPI is spitting kernel traces when the problem is power related?
[11:42] <Dyskette> Power issues can cause all sorts of weirdness
[11:42] <Jck_true> Swat-: The USB stack is very funky from what I've seen/read/experienced :P
[11:43] <Jck_true> AFAIK there are still issues with the connection low speed and high speed devices to a USB hub... (Split transactions I think it's called)
[11:43] <Swat-> meh
[11:43] <des2> I would also try the 32GB plugged right into the Pi and not into the hujb.
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[11:43] <Jck_true> But a bluetooth and a usb key should both be high speed
[11:45] <Jck_true> Hmm couldn't you get 1.8" harddrives once? Or was it CF cards with spinning disks?
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[11:47] <Swat-> des2: Good option, but the problem also existed when i had no usb stick and was running from sd-card only :-/
[11:47] <des2> http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-MK1214GAH-internal-ATA-100-buffer/dp/B0015RDLOO
[11:47] <des2> ok good to know.
[11:48] <Swat-> Jck_true: my multimeter pins are not thin enough to fit into the connector, and other way i could check TP1 and TP2?
[11:48] <des2> I don't understand not thin enough ?
[11:48] <Jck_true> Swat-: Measure on the board :)
[11:48] <Jck_true> Swat-: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
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[11:49] <Swat-> Jck_true ah i see now
[11:49] <Swat-> Jck_true: Sorry that was silly :)
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[11:51] <des2> SO what's the voltage ?
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[11:54] <Jck_true> des2: Just wondered what the smallest form of storage that wasn't flash based was :)
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[11:56] <Jck_true> des2: Microdrives was the name - CF cards with a 1 inch magnetic harddisk plate :)
[11:57] <des2> ah
[11:57] <Swat-> Hmm well something strange is going on.. When i attach both pins it shows: 0.00 when i release tp1 it shows 4.65
[11:57] <Swat-> Am i doing something wrong?
[11:57] <Jck_true> Swat-: Uhmm the meter can't show anything unless you got a closed circut... So you're touching something...
[11:58] <Swat-> nvm that
[11:58] <Jck_true> Swat-: And anyway - 4.65 is on the low side :) How much you have attached when reading that?
[11:58] <Swat-> The meter shows ~4.80
[11:58] <des2> 4.65 is low
[11:59] <Swat-> 4.65 was wrong, forget it i had the meter on AC, it should have been DC obviously :)
[11:59] <des2> heh
[12:00] <des2> 4.8 can be low depending on the ripple
[12:00] <Mike-N-Go> lol
[12:00] <Jck_true> des2: How much you have attached when you get that meassure?
[12:00] <Swat-> its not constant though, i have seen as low as 4.66 to 4.80
[12:00] <des2> ?
[12:01] <Swat-> Jck_true: i guess you ment me :-)
[12:01] <des2> Looking at the hub data sheet it seems a little low end
[12:01] <Swat-> Jck_true: The usb-stick and bluetooth dongle.
[12:01] <des2> I'm guessing the 1 Amp is a little marginal.
[12:02] <Swat-> Shall i try my apple usb-charger?
[12:02] <Swat-> Or a 700ma blackberry charger?
[12:02] <des2> Is it genuine apple ?
[12:02] <Swat-> No
[12:02] <des2> heh.
[12:02] <des2> Try both and check the voltage
[12:02] <Swat-> sec.
[12:02] <Jck_true> Swat-: I got a unofficial apple usb charger rated at 1000mA works perfectly for me
[12:03] <Jck_true> It's a bit hit and miss through... My other no name usb charger won't provide enough...
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[12:05] <Swat-> blackberry adapter: 4.72 - 4.80
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[12:07] <Swat-> apple usb: 4.56 - 4.64
[12:07] <swat> Swat-: just check the specs of the adapter, it should state it's maximum mA. If ( mA >= 1000 ) then (use it)
[12:08] <Swat-> its 700mA
[12:09] <Swat-> So i am on a yourney for a 1A adapter i guess :)
[12:09] <des2> I'd go for a 1.5+
[12:09] <des2> seeing that you are using it for both the hub and PI
[12:10] <Swat-> the apple usb thingy is on 4.88 now.
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[12:10] <des2> also are you plugging the supply into the hub now or directly into the pi ?
[12:11] <Swat-> Well the adapter from the hub says output: DC5V - 2000mA
[12:11] <Swat-> directly to the pi
[12:11] <Swat-> and did not attach the hub for now
[12:12] <des2> ok.
[12:12] <Swat-> i am going to try all the different ports from the hub as well
[12:12] <des2> Are you using the same cable each time ?
[12:12] <Mike-N-Go> Make sure not to go over 2.5 apm adaptor.
[12:12] <des2> Some of those cables are a little thin wire-wise to supply good power.
[12:15] <Swat-> 4.92 on the lower-middle port now.
[12:17] <swat> Swat-: there are pretty cheap 1000+mA adapters out there. Just check conrad. I got my 1200mA adapters there and I'm satisfied with them
[12:17] <FR^2> rrdtool gives me a headache.
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[12:22] <Swat-> swat: Thanks for the notice. Using the middle port i have 4.99 now so i will see how it will act for a few days now.
[12:25] <des2> Good luck
[12:26] <Swat-> All: thanks for the great tips you provided! Couldn't have done it without you guys, thanks ata
[12:26] <Swat-> again!
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[13:28] <Jck_true> YAY! Got a DNS server running on my RaspberryPi - Finally got my own TLD... Now I just need to convince everybody to use my dns server aswell...
[13:29] <BurtyB> wow you're own tld you must be rich!
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> ?
[13:32] <Jck_true> BurtyB: ;)
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> you're running an autoratative nameserver on a Pi?
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> brave...
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> or are you using an off-site dns mirror typeservice?
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[13:33] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: What can I say... Didn't you always want your own TLD...?
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> well, there can - and should - be multiple authorities
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> aiui
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> well - I'm assuming you mean a standard domain name - a TLD would be like .net, .com, etc.
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> so, get two pis.
[13:34] <nid0> gordonDrogon: yes, he doesnt have his own tld :)
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> oh, TLD
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> and for standard domain names... well, I own dozens and manage 100's for my clients...
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> he might.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> e.g. i own drogon.net ..
[13:35] <nid0> I can reasonably safely bet my house that he doesnt
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Record created on 13-Aug-1995
[13:35] <Jck_true> laptop.drogon :D
[13:35] <Jck_true> nid0: Well... it only works when i'm using my Pi as my dns server .P
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> well - I guess you could have your own local TLD ..
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> think of the spam I get to drogon.net ... )-:
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[13:39] <des2> I paid extra and got a 4 letter domain...
[13:39] <nid0> but yeah, nameserver on pi install is just apt-get install bind9/nsd
[13:39] <Jck_true> des2: ... I shouldn't really make this joke but.... "For half I'll let you have a 2 letter domain on mine"
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> wish I'd been more saavy in the early 90's - could have registered many more nice ones )-:
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> it just wasn't the done thing then though ...
[13:41] <des2> Let's not go there...
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[13:41] <Jck_true> des2: Aww :|
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> I regret not registering drogon.com ...
[13:42] <Jck_true> I just gave up planet-i.net -
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> gave it up? did no-one want to buy it?
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[13:45] <nid0> evidently not, it isnt registered
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[13:45] * BurtyB might be addicted to buying domains :(
[13:46] <nid0> I manage thousands, but personally own 2
[13:46] <nid0> soon to be 1
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> nid0, you run a marginally larger ISP than me ;-)
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> although I've been in the process of getting my clients to take over management of their own DNS, so the number I actively manage now is dwindling...
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[13:50] <nid0> we have around 5,000 registered through us at a rough count, many more than that using our dns though
[13:50] <des2> It's so easy to manage domains with web interfaces these days even clients can do it.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> yea - it's getting to be more hassle for me than the returns, so I'm dumping them back on my clients.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> it's jus a matter of picking a decent registrar for them to use ...
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> des2: I got a 4 letter domain for $15.
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> actually, no, $11.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> wonder what 4-letter ones are left... if any...
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> watch eBay for four letter domains with no reserve
[13:52] <nid0> there havent been any .com ones available for a long time, obviously squatters sell them all the time though
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> put snipes on all of them
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> they sell on ebay? wow...
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> that's how I got qkwv.com
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> untypable as well as unpronouncable unless you're eastern european or welsh ...
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'l setup wiringpi.com...
[13:55] <bede> sounds star trek'ish
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[13:58] <des2> Can I buy #@$!.com ?
[13:59] <BurtyB> err no
[13:59] <BurtyB> you can buy ?.com though it's not likely to work how you'd want it to :(
[14:00] <Amorsen> Alas, the DNS people came up with punycode, even though DNS is 8-bit-clean
[14:01] <Amorsen> One of the ugliest workarounds for a non-problem ever seen
[14:01] <des2> Yeah I haven't seen any of those in a while.
[14:02] <Amorsen> Well, if you primarily speak English, you wouldn't...
[14:02] <Amorsen> But the rest of the world has to deal with that crap
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> speaking of star trek - there was a couple who got maried recently in Klingon (dressed as Klingons too)
[14:13] <FR^2> every day someone crazy gets up. On some days it's two or more
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[14:19] <des2> Klingon is so yesterday. Bronies is where it's at now.
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[14:19] <SpeedEvil> brony weddings need four though
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> Brony
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Oh. Brony == OMG Pony ... Ye gods.
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[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Toffee Apples just aren't the same anymore. Goen are the days when you'd lose a tooth on the rock hard toffee before having squishy apple drip all over you... Now it's soft, crumbly toffee with too much red food colouring covering crispy green (probably french) apples )-:
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[14:36] <des2> I miss bagels you used to be able to get that were ecrusted in saly.
[14:36] <des2> salt
[14:37] <des2> The anti-sodium league killed those.
[14:38] <atouk> salt is even more evil than global warming. NaCl is C02's are the devil's one-two punch
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[14:43] * Datalink looks up and wonders what the brony wedding SpeedEvil was talking about was about specifically...
[14:44] <des2> Nothing to see here, prance along...
[14:45] <Datalink> kay
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[14:48] <tero> http://q.robi.tv/pics/rpi-kartica.jpg
[14:48] <tero> um
[14:48] <tero> sorry wrong paste
[14:49] <biberao> hi
[14:49] <biberao> im buying this
[14:49] <biberao> http://pt.consumer.toshiba.eu/pt/products/tv/26EL933G
[14:49] <biberao> Datalink: tell me what you think :p
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[14:52] <biberao> ReggieUK: !!
[14:52] * biberao gives a red card to ReggieUK
[14:52] <Datalink> biberao, I've had good luck with Toshiba products, you should be able to power the Pi off that specific TV's USB port
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[14:52] <biberao> nice Datalink
[14:52] <ReggieUK> hi
[14:53] <Caver> hi
[14:53] <des2> Dear we have to buy this $2,000 TV to power my Pi...
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> biberao, I don't read whatever language that's in, but I don't see HDMI in the specifications...
[14:53] <Datalink> des2, haha
[14:53] <biberao> gordonDrogon: yes
[14:53] <biberao> i cant find the english version
[14:53] <biberao> :|
[14:53] <tzarc> yay for 4 pi's now
[14:53] <tzarc> still can't work out what to do with them
[14:54] <bede> tzarc: corosync/pacemaker cluster
[14:54] <biberao> Datalink: it costs me 289euros and it offers a dvd player
[14:54] <biberao> lol
[14:54] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I'm looking at a back and side HDMI port in the manual
[14:55] <biberao> the problem though is that its not full HD
[14:55] <biberao> :|
[14:55] <biberao> but it says it supports HD playback
[14:55] <biberao> weird no?
[14:55] <Datalink> it says it's 1080p in the specs...
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[14:55] <Datalink> oh, it's a 720 and change... okay
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[14:55] <Datalink> downsampling :/
[14:55] <biberao> Datalink: no
[14:56] <biberao> upscale
[14:56] <biberao> ?
[14:56] <Datalink> well for 720 it'll upscale, but for 1080 it'll downsample
[14:56] <biberao> it says it playbacks 1080p too
[14:56] <biberao> yup
[14:56] <biberao> bbl
[14:56] <biberao> ok gtg for now
[14:56] <biberao> bbl
[14:56] <biberao> maybe 1hour
[14:56] <Jck_true> That panel must be a weird resolution if it has to upscale 720 and downscale 1080....
[14:57] <Matt> probably a monitor sized panel, rather than tv
[14:58] <Datalink> good IO though, HDMIx2, USB data SCART, component/composite, and a DVB porton the side... PC audio in, headphone out
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[14:59] <Datalink> Jck_true, yeah, it's using an LCD monitor resolution, 1366x768
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[14:59] <Jck_true> Gotcha... Actually - I'm pretty sure my tv at home does the same... 26 inch Phillips...
[15:00] <Jck_true> I can't wait for my HDMI<->DVI converter :) So I can hook up the Raspberry to this old laptop panel :)
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[15:01] <Matt> widescreen monitors are generally 16:10, whereas widescreen TV is 16:9
[15:01] <nid0> uh
[15:01] <nid0> people wish widescreen monitors were generally 16:10, but thats not at all true
[15:01] <Datalink> Jck_true, I've used that for hooking my Pi up to school monitors
[15:01] <nid0> some niche widescreen monitors are 16:10, but most are 16:9
[15:02] <Datalink> I haven't done the ratio work on mine, it's something x900
[15:02] <[SLB]> my acer al2016w is 16:10
[15:02] <Matt> this HP laptop is 16:10
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[15:03] <Datalink> oh I found a company that sells a HDMI to LVDS board, considering that for my laptop
[15:03] <Datalink> er old laptop display and pi
[15:04] <Jck_true> Datalink: http://www.njytouch.com/lcdcontroller.htm
[15:04] <Jck_true> I got mine saturday :)
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[15:05] <Datalink> ah, could see that as an option, yeah
[15:06] <Jck_true> Datalink: This one specificly :) http://www.njytouch.com/RM5451%20Controller%20Board.htm
[15:06] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, http://www.toshiba-om.net/LCD/PDF/English/EL933-2632-English.pdf english version of his TV manual
[15:06] <Jck_true> Datalink: Emailed them and they agreed to label the package as low value (Meaning I didn't have to pay tax on it)
[15:07] <Datalink> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#ecwid:category=3094861&mode=product&product=14647633
[15:07] <booyaa> LVDS?
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[15:07] <Datalink> Laptop Video Display System I think
[15:07] <Matt> low voltage differential signal
[15:07] <Datalink> oh, haha, I was miles off
[15:08] <Tachyon`> 16:9 is getting more popular what with 1920x1080 displays, for a long time the 16:10 1680x1050 was the de facto standard for widescreen LCDs though
[15:08] <des2> About time for monitors and TVs to have the same resolution
[15:08] * [SLB] sports a 1680x1050 :3
[15:09] <nid0> well, its already been and got most popular, the number of 16:10 displays shrivelled and died to practically none several years ago
[15:09] <Datalink> booyaa, while my acronym was off, the info I have on it shouldn't be... basically LVDS is used to talk to the LCD's last chip display controller from the converter boxes jck and I where linking between us
[15:09] <Jck_true> Datalink: Still need the cable :/ Which was my biggest concern - I actually had to scrape the old laptop the screen came from because i couldn't get the LCD cable
[15:10] <nid0> I still use 2 dell 1680x1050 displays from like 2006 because replacing them both with 1920 16:10 screens is fabulously expensive
[15:10] <Datalink> Jck_true, ick, I actually have a collection of cables now, only thing my collection still needs is SCART stuff, and that's not standard on this continent at all, so.. hard to find
[15:10] <Datalink> I'd still like to see power and data over the same cable though...
[15:11] <Jck_true> Datalink: Scart cables? I got like a million of thoose ...
[15:12] <Jck_true> And yeah only problem is that the LVDS cable going from the panel to the motherboard is a custom cable on the Acer Ferrari laptop
[15:12] <Jck_true> And where it goes through the hinges it breaks
[15:12] <Datalink> ick
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> I have a single 1280x1024 screen still...
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[15:15] <Datalink> why the hell is this DVI to HDMI cable marked as a SCART...?
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[15:15] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Don't worry.. I'll let you borrow a few pixels off my 1080p work monitor...
[15:17] <Caver> I think the reason for 16:10 vs 16:9 - was a tax dodge
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[15:17] <nid0> it was cheaper panels because theyre made in massive numbers for tvs
[15:17] <Caver> if you imported 16:9 screens, it was taxed as a luxury item in a lot of countries
[15:19] <Tachyon`> cinemas only used wide screens to pack more people in
[15:19] <Tachyon`> they used to be square
[15:20] <Tachyon`> and we're emulating that with things that are not cinemas, lol
[15:20] <Datalink> hm, I wish there was a way to kill the boot logo on my TV
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[15:21] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, actually, I prefer this to my wifes 1080p monitor.
[15:22] <nid0> i'd be really curious to see what people's desks look like with their screens of choice
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[15:24] <Tachyon`> err, on sec
[15:24] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/newpc.jpg
[15:24] <Matt> ?
[15:24] <Tachyon`> kina like that
[15:25] <Tachyon`> but that's 3 months old and the NAS has moved among other things
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[15:25] <biberao> basck im sorry
[15:25] <Matt> my desk is a mess :)
[15:25] <Tachyon`> that monitor has also died (which was also 1680x1050)
[15:25] <nid0> man, I had that exact same pc case donkeys years ago
[15:25] <Tachyon`> it's big, I've kept it
[15:25] <Tachyon`> lol
[15:26] <biberao> Datalink: so what do you think of it
[15:26] <biberao> .P
[15:26] <Tachyon`> although I don't have loads of drives in it anymore as I have the NAS
[15:26] <Tachyon`> although that said, my linux server never had a major data loss in over a decade
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[15:26] <Tachyon`> and this NAS has managed two in less than a year, so it will be going, lol
[15:27] <nid0> my synology nas has been flawless so far <3
[15:27] <Datalink> biberao, it should work pretty well for the Pi or watching digital TV and video, looks like a pretty decent midrange model
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[15:28] <biberao> Datalink: it will cost me less 100euro
[15:29] <biberao> than in a normal store
[15:29] <biberao> i dont have a tv in my bedroom
[15:30] <Datalink> biberao, sounds like a win win then, just so long as shipping doesn't cost you enough to offset the lower price
[15:30] <biberao> no
[15:30] <biberao> ill grab it in the store
[15:31] <Datalink> oh XD
[15:31] <biberao> if i sign a newspaper
[15:32] <biberao> theyll provide that price
[15:33] <biberao> Datalink: you dont know the date of manufacturing?
[15:34] <Datalink> I don't have enough information on what you're asking
[15:34] <biberao> i mean the tv release date
[15:34] <biberao> i cant find it
[15:34] <biberao> :|
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[15:42] <Caver> I wonder if the Pi could drive the 3D modes they have now
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[15:56] <ElAngelo> neat
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[16:00] <Caver> what is?
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> Bah. the worlds is ending. crapWest bank site is borked and so is slashdot )-:
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[16:26] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: congratulations. You get to restart the Internet... on a Raspberry Pi.
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[16:29] <lotia> possibly OT: anyone have a cheap source of HDMI cables in the UK?
[16:30] <digitlman> monoprice?
[16:30] <digitlman> do they do UK?
[16:32] <lotia> digitlman: unfortunately not.
[16:32] <digitlman> that sucks
[16:33] <lotia> yeah, i loved them when I lived in the UK
[16:33] <lotia> sorry usa
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[16:36] <Dagger2> eBay
[16:37] <digitlman> if you move your root partition to a usb hard drive in the same manner as a usb flash drive...it's FAST
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[16:38] <huene> lotia: maybe dealextreme
[16:39] <linuxstb> lotia: Just look on amazon.
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[16:41] <Benighted> Hey all, is element14 email legit?
[16:41] <Benighted> for preordering pi?
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[16:41] <IT_Sean> Did you register with e14?
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[16:42] <Benighted> yes
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[16:42] <Essobi> I just had a great idea to phish. :D
[16:43] <Benighted> lol, yeah really
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Then i'd say it's legit. So long as the email is really from e14.
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[16:47] <Benighted> fairest way I suppose, although a unique coupon for each person so they could order online would have been better
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[16:54] <Benighted> headers look ok
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[17:13] <japro> hi, uh, so do i have to update something or set something to see all 512mb of a new pi? or did i somehow still get a 256mb one?
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[17:14] <Datalink> japro, there was a firmware update on the 20th, which included a new split mechanic... it's not been fully documented on the wiki yet, lemme hunt for the forum thread and git repo
[17:15] <Datalink> fair warning, I have a LOT of tabs to hunt through
[17:17] <Matt> hrm
[17:17] <Matt> all this talk of lvds got me thinking
[17:18] <Matt> I've got a bunch of old laptops I could scrap
[17:18] <IT_Sean> Any of them work?
[17:18] <IT_Sean> any of them worth anything secondhand?
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[17:21] <Datalink> japro, https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/ this is the official repro, if you go into boot, you'll see they replaced the arm*_start.elf method with a line in the config file for memory split, the rpi-update hasn't been updated with the patch just yet but he's working on it
[17:21] <Matt> IT_Sean: they mostly work, more or less
[17:21] <Matt> and I hightly doubt they're worth much second hand :)
[17:21] <Matt> they're mostly P2 era celeron and earlier
[17:22] <Datalink> japro, I wouldn't be surprised to get questions at this point, I'm half babbling...
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[17:22] <IT_Sean> eeew
[17:22] <IT_Sean> cellery? toss 'em
[17:22] <Matt> quite :)
[17:23] <Datalink> sub pi specs XD'
[17:23] <Hexxeh> Datalink: rpi-update has been updated
[17:23] <Hexxeh> it was updated yesterday
[17:23] <Datalink> Hexxeh, oh, okay, my data was delayed...
[17:23] <Datalink> I wish the thing could detect my custom kernel, I have to do rpi-update then copy the image...
[17:24] <Datalink> which might break stuff... I should probably swap back to the main kernel
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[17:25] <japro> i was wondering, is the gpu<->memory bandwidth higher than the one from the cpu?
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[17:28] <Benighted> hexxeh: thank you!!
[17:28] <Datalink> outside my knowledge... I'd have to spend hours looking over the datasheet
[17:28] <Benighted> Just placed my order XD
[17:28] <Datalink> brbm resetting router
[17:28] <Hexxeh> Datalink: you can say SKIP_KERNEL
[17:28] <Hexxeh> read the readme
[17:29] <japro> i was wondering because when measuring memcpy speed you get like uh 150-200MB/s i think?
[17:29] <Datalink> Hexxeh, have you ever tried to find readmes in a distro? but thanks XD
[17:29] <Hexxeh> the readme for rpi-update
[17:29] <Hexxeh> it's on the github page
[17:30] <Matt> oh hey, it's Hexxeh
[17:31] <Datalink> Hexxeh, self-update is one of the coolest parts of your script though
[17:31] <japro> hmm, rpi-update seems to have completely frozen the system
[17:32] <Hexxeh> japro: bad overclock?
[17:32] <japro> uh, not really
[17:32] <Hexxeh> it will hammer your SD, so it might appear locked up
[17:32] <Hexxeh> but it obviously shouldn't actually lock up your Pi
[17:32] <japro> yeah, i chouldn't log in on other consoles
[17:32] <Datalink> Hexxeh, it should say something when an update was found :/ it just said self-update twice...
[17:33] <Hexxeh> that's intentional
[17:33] <Hexxeh> just for this time
[17:33] <Hexxeh> the arguments changed
[17:33] <Hexxeh> so i had to force two updates so that the first update could relaunch the second update with reformatted args
[17:33] <Datalink> ah
[17:34] <Datalink> oh the update script is mostly a wrapper for a downloaded script isn't it?
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[17:34] <Hexxeh> it's just a part of the scripts that writes a new script to redownload the script and then relaunch it with a flag saying it's finished updating
[17:35] <Datalink> funkeh
[17:36] <Datalink> have you considered splitting it into a wrapper and payload?
[17:36] <Hexxeh> i think it works nicely as is
[17:37] <japro> is broadcom still updating the gles driver? or in other words, will wee at some point see more extensions/GLES3?
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[17:38] <Hexxeh> GLES3, depends on Broadcom, it'd need somebody to throw money at them to make it happen I'd have thought
[17:38] <Hexxeh> if something else using the same VideoCore gets it because somebody throws the money at it, I guess it could?
[17:38] <Datalink> one'd think they'd take an interest considering we're kinda getting up to the point Broadcom starts caring...
[17:38] <japro> ok, having at least float textures would be nice
[17:39] <japro> would open a lot of possibilities for "abuse" :D
[17:40] <Datalink> you say abuse like it's a bad thing...
[17:40] <japro> i did? i like abusing graphics hardware
[17:40] * Datalink works out how to best format this rc0 script to shut off his TV.
[17:40] <japro> float textures open possibilities for gpgpu stuff (well, if they are also legal fbo attachments) and you can do pseudo instancing with them
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[17:41] <Datalink> hm, have to do it before the filesystem unmount... ugh
[17:42] <Datalink> means this is a K04 blarg
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[17:43] <bede> whut? static ordering?
[17:43] <bede> that's so 2009
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[17:45] <IT_Sean> Why?
[17:45] <IT_Sean> whoops... wrong channel
[17:46] <japro> this is maybe the first time that a program showing "this will take a few minutes" that it is actually true :D
[17:47] <japro> remember when you always got that message from windows or so and the message was gone so fast you couldn't even read it :D
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[17:50] <japro> so how many minutes are reasonable for rpi-udate?
[17:50] <Datalink> japro, no, cause I've had crap hardware in the past
[17:50] <Datalink> japro, depends on your internet connection and the size of the latest kernel
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[17:51] <japro> well the internet is fast enough to turn the wlan into the bottleneck
[17:52] <japro> top now has mmcqd sit at the top for about 10 minutes with 72%
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> https://twitter.com/teknoteacher/status/260770056475119616/photo/1/large :)
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[17:57] <japro> hmm, weird, i accidentally disconnected the internet sharing and now the pi is frozen again
[17:57] <japro> i can swap between consoles but they are unresponsive
[17:57] <japro> top is frozen and i cant ctrl-c anything
[17:58] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: ;) And a 512MB Pi as well - twice as heavy.
[17:58] <muxe> Hey there. I just received my raspberry and I just flashed my SD-Card (with Raspbian ???wheezy???) and I think the tutorial on resizing the partitions is a bit outdated. there is no swap partition anymore I guess. I'm using gparted to resize the partitions and I see there is a bit of unallocated space "left" of the fat16 partition and a lot "right" of the ext4 partition. do I just resize fat16 all the way to the left and ext4 al
[17:58] <japro> just let raspi-config do the resizing
[17:59] <nemo> muxe: so are you one of the 512MiB crowd?
[17:59] <muxe> nemo: I am
[17:59] <nemo> :-/
[17:59] <muxe> japro: good idea, I should give it a try
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[18:01] <japro> so this time it worked in less than a minute
[18:01] <japro> weird
[18:01] <tinti> Hi. The llvmlinux project has build bootable kernel for Raspberry Pi. It still need some fixes (specially with USB and Ethernet). If someone want to give a try: http://bit.ly/PFPImL
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> muxe, which tutorial?
[18:04] <muxe> gordonDrogon: http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> muxe, yea, best to just boot it these days and let it auto-resize...
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> I did some tutorial myself way back, have just updated them to say they're old...
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[18:07] <AC`97> "Now clean and resize the root partition. As before, some users may need to use /sde2 instead."
[18:07] <AC`97> ^ wot
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[18:07] <AC`97> i have to use sdo2
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[18:08] <steve_rox2> dont suppose anyone knows a cmd to display the current res the pi is operateing in?
[18:08] <AC`97> tvservice ??
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[18:08] <Datalink|Elsewhe> AC`97, you really should just get a hardware RAID controller at that point
[18:09] * Datalink|Elsewhe is now known as Datalink
[18:09] <AC`97> eww, hardware raid
[18:09] <AC`97> $$$$$
[18:09] <Datalink> also... Pi's PSU is fault tolerant... router's PSU is not... wheee
[18:09] <steve_rox2> hmm
[18:09] <IT_Sean> Don't be cheap with your data storage.
[18:09] <Datalink> AC`97, you define tech hermits...
[18:09] <steve_rox2> that answers a lot :-P
[18:09] <AC`97> . . .
[18:10] <AC`97> i'm not going to spend thousands of dollars on a single decent raid controller
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[18:10] <Datalink> are they still that much, dang...
[18:10] <AC`97> well, the non-crap ones are
[18:10] <Datalink> what I get for not owning a dekstop in the past 10 years... I thought they would have gone down a bit
[18:11] <Datalink> okay non-crap yeah... you got me there
[18:11] <AC`97> you can get a data destroyer for ~$15 on ebay :P
[18:11] <tinti> More info at http://llvm.linuxfoundation.org/ and OFTC#llvmlinux
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[18:13] <japro> is there any point in using 256MB for the gpu?
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> I have a good data destroyer... I call it Thorfinn.
[18:44] <Milos> How stable is rpi-3.6.y re: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.6.y
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I've just made my Pi play notes - via a most unusual way (for this century, anyway).
[19:13] <DMackey> Element14 512mb Pi Pre-Order is complete!
[19:13] <DMackey> \o/
[19:13] <DMackey> Just got the email to prepay for it.
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[19:21] <[SLB]> when did you order DMackey?
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[19:22] <DMackey> today, Was on the proorder list a week or so
[19:23] <[SLB]> ah oks i ordered 4 days ago from farnell uk
[19:24] <japro> hmm, in the hello_pi examples it uses -ftree-vectorize when compiling
[19:25] <japro> does the arm have vector instructions?
[19:25] <DMackey> What element14 had here in the US went fast so I missed out on the first lot
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[19:27] <[SLB]> ah eheh
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[19:49] <saturation> if someone wants to use mobile broadband with pppd on raspberry pi here is most of the things done:
[19:49] <saturation> https://github.com/saturation/pppd-configure-files-for-mobile-broadband
[19:50] <saturation> whoops
[19:50] <saturation> https://github.com/saturation/pppd-configuration-files-for-mobile-broadband
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[20:08] <Benighted> DMackey I also just placed my element14 order today
[20:11] <hotwings> congrats
[20:12] <hotwings> you wont be an rpi virgin for much longer :)
[20:12] <AC`97> raep
[20:12] <Benighted> Thanks - I already have 2x original pi
[20:12] <Benighted> Soon to be one (a friend of mine insists I hook him up)
[20:12] <hotwings> oh ok.. so youre more of an rpi slut then :]
[20:13] <Benighted> Yes, exactly
[20:13] <AC`97> kinky
[20:13] <hotwings> what are you using your 2 rpis for btw?
[20:13] <Benighted> one pi is an apache/samba server, and the other is running raspbmc
[20:14] <atouk> pi-mping pis for your friend makes you a pi-stitute
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[20:15] <Benighted> atouk lol
[20:15] <Benighted> pi-mping ain't easy
[20:15] <AC`97> PI Media Player ?
[20:15] <Benighted> yes
[20:16] <AC`97> a PIMP for your media collection!~
[20:16] <Benighted> with the new version I have a few home automation projects I'm going to work on
[20:16] <AC`97> what sort of automation requires 512MB of ram?
[20:17] <Benighted> anyone thought of making a mobile weather station (camera, temp sensor, solar & battery pack)?
[20:18] <Benighted> environmental monitors, streaming video feeds, web server, etc.
[20:19] <Benighted> anyone running ROM collection browser on the 512 model yet?
[20:19] <AC`97> nope.
[20:20] <AC`97> on your keyboard, do you have a shiny spot on the left, right or center ??
[20:20] <AC`97> on the space bar *
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[20:20] <AC`97> mine is on the right...
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[20:20] <Benighted> shiny?
[20:21] <AC`97> like, worn
[20:21] <Benighted> up and space (I used to play WoW)
[20:21] <Benighted> :P
[20:23] <AC`97> but which part of your space bar? :P
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[20:23] <AC`97> mine is on the right 1/3rd
[20:24] <atouk> if you two start comparing sticky spots....
[20:24] <AC`97> my left control key is sticky (as in key movement)
[20:25] <atouk> i used nostromo pads for gaming. i love the n52
[20:26] <Benighted> cool - gtk, although gaming bores me lately
[20:26] <AC`97> RPi is fun
[20:26] <[SLB]> Benighted, the meteo station is nice, i tried each thing separately, not yet a solar powered battery pack though
[20:27] <atouk> haven't done anything serious in a few years. ran some DoD servers for about 6
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[20:29] <Benighted> SLB - I'm thinking a big enough card, air tight, gps, necessary sensors, battery pack, solar, only part I"m hung up on is how to trigger parachute
[20:30] <Benighted> SLB how did they work when tested seperately?
[20:31] <[SLB]> sensor is up and running at the moment, measuring temperature and humidity
[20:31] <[SLB]> for webcam streaming i tried fswebcam (only frames), motion and mjpeg-streamer
[20:32] <[SLB]> someone said motion doesn't work proprely with some recent updates, i haven't tried that since then though
[20:32] <[SLB]> parachute?
[20:32] <atouk> altitude sensor. target height, or drop in xx feet in x seconds (balloon burst)
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[20:34] <[SLB]> ah you want to make it go up? thought it was supposed to be statically mounted somewhere
[20:34] <[SLB]> also not sure the refresh rate of an altitude sensor
[20:34] <[SLB]> maybe accelerometer would be better?
[20:36] <Benighted> slb these are all details I'm just gathering now, yes I was intending to get a robust balloon to send up a few miles, GPS tracking for retrieval
[20:36] <[SLB]> nice eheh
[20:36] <Benighted> weekend projects of the bored and geeky
[20:37] <[SLB]> :)
[20:37] <Nik05> hey guys
[20:37] <Nik05> someone running rkhunter on raspbian?
[20:37] <Benighted> also be cool to hold a pi and able to say it was in 'near space' heheh
[20:37] <Nik05> i get update failed when i use `rkhunter --update'
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[20:38] <[SLB]> did you see someone did it already?
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[20:39] <Benighted> slb no, linkage?
[20:39] <[SLB]> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=592
[20:40] <Benighted> slb - excellent, should make my job easier lol
[20:40] <[SLB]> eheh :)
[20:40] <Nik05> oh looks like a sourceforge problem...
[20:41] <Nik05> does everyone have problems loading http://rkhunter.sourceforge.net/ ?
[20:42] <digitlman> yes
[20:43] <Nik05> ok
[20:43] <Benighted> slb must have saw it one of those late nights, and forgot about it
[20:43] <tos9> I have a problem loading anything.sourceforge.net at the moment
[20:43] <atouk> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkhunter/?source=directory
[20:44] <tos9> though sourceforge.net/projects/anything seems to work
[20:44] <Nik05> ok
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[21:25] <Nik05> what happens if i use the 256 ram split on my oldskool raspi?
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[21:25] <SpeedEvil> it catches fire
[21:25] <Nik05> cool
[21:25] <AC`97> hot
[21:26] <Nik05> nice
[21:26] <Nik05> but 256 is not possible on the oldskool raspi?
[21:26] <Nik05> gpu will crash? :p
[21:27] <axion> the gpu runs code before the core to boot from sd, so it needs some ram afaik
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[21:28] <Nik05> ok not possible
[21:28] <Nik05> and what about the /boot/config.txt?
[21:28] <Nik05> rpi-update says i need to put in in /boot/confix.txt
[21:28] <Nik05> but its not there
[21:29] <axion> put what?
[21:29] <Nik05> gpu_mem
[21:30] <axion> that is a new option as of a few days ago
[21:31] <Nik05> ok
[21:31] <axion> i dont really know. i use arch linux hich does updates for me, and rather recent... oct 16th firmware
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[21:32] <Nik05> im using one from oct 21
[21:32] <Nik05> well from the rpi-update git
[21:33] <axion> looks like my distro has a package for oct 21
[21:33] <axion> there updating
[21:34] <AC`97> i'm afraid to update, lest something breaks
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[21:34] <AC`97> no card reader, no keyboard, no screen XD
[21:34] <Nik05_> i ahve a card reader :D
[21:34] <Nik05_> im going to reboot lets see what happens
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[21:36] <Nik05> looks like its working :)
[21:36] <AC`97> SOLID RED LED
[21:36] <AC`97> >:D
[21:36] <[SLB]> anyone using a nokia lcd?
[21:36] <Nik05> "Irssi: Join to #raspberrypi was synced in 1351020933 secs" euh what?
[21:36] <AC`97> [SLB]: lots of people
[21:36] <[SLB]> including me, but i have a weird problem
[21:37] <AC`97> Nik05: your time got updated as you joined
[21:37] <AC`97> s/time/clock/
[21:37] <[SLB]> after some time, the lines get messed up and i have to restart the executable
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[21:37] <Nik05> AC`97 which clock?
[21:37] <AC`97> [SLB]: erm... executable? O.o
[21:37] <Nik05> the hardware clock?
[21:37] <Nik05> or isnt there a hardware clock?
[21:37] <AC`97> Nik05: software.
[21:37] <Nik05> ah ok
[21:37] <[SLB]> Nik05, no it's irc servers time
[21:38] <Nik05> oh huh :S
[21:38] <AC`97> wot
[21:38] <AC`97> false??
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[21:38] <rikkib> ntp
[21:38] <AC`97> yes, ntp.
[21:38] <[SLB]> the executable is the program i launch to pilot the display, of course
[21:39] <AC`97> Nik05: your join sync was 1351020933. normally, my RPi will jump the time forward by ~1350863886.263 seconds on boot.
[21:39] <AC`97> ZZzzZZzzz
[21:39] * AC`97 wanders off
[21:39] <Nik05> i have no idea what you mean AC :P
[21:40] <[SLB]> me neither lol
[21:40] <Nik05> my ntp works right? :P
[21:40] <axion> because the time is set the right beofre the unix epoch if not set in software
[21:40] <[SLB]> i don't get such messages
[21:41] <axion> unix keeps time by counting the number of seconds since jan 1, 1970
[21:41] <[SLB]> so among these lots of people who use a nokia display, anyone has the same issue?
[21:41] <IT_Sean> Why 1st Jan '70?
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[21:42] <Nik05> yeah i see it now
[21:42] <Nik05> 1351020925 secs is 42.81 years
[21:42] <Nik05> and that jan 1 1970
[21:43] <rikkib> 10 polyfuses arrived in the mail...
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[21:43] <Nik05> where can i see my current GPU/RAM Split thingy?
[21:43] <rikkib> free -h gves some info
[21:43] <axion> if time is not set, it is dec 31, 1969 23:59:59
[21:43] <[SLB]> free -m
[21:44] <Nik05> Mem: 184 88 96 0 10 52
[21:44] <[SLB]> that corresponds to a time of -1 seconds
[21:44] <Nik05> 184 total?
[21:44] <[SLB]> yes
[21:45] <[SLB]> i think you are using 64 for the gpu
[21:45] <Nik05> i had less...
[21:45] <Nik05> what is mimimum i need?
[21:45] <[SLB]> sorry?
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[21:45] <[SLB]> 16
[21:45] <Nik05> and how do i put it in /boot/config.txt?
[21:45] <[SLB]> gpu_mem=16
[21:46] <Nik05> and thats all?
[21:46] <[SLB]> yes
[21:46] <[SLB]> did you upgrade the firmware?
[21:46] <Nik05> yes
[21:46] <[SLB]> so yes
[21:47] <[SLB]> you can set different gpu_mem depending on which pi you have with
[21:47] <[SLB]> gpu_mem_256 and _512
[21:47] <[SLB]> or just gpu_mem
[21:47] <Nik05> i have the oldskool raspi
[21:47] <Nik05> 256
[21:47] <[SLB]> gpu_mem is fine then
[21:48] <Nik05> ok lets reboot again
[21:48] <Nik05> (this irssi runs on it too :P so bye)
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[21:50] <Nik05> am i back? :)
[21:50] <rikkib> 0.4ohms for the polyfuse
[21:50] <Nik05> total used free shared buffers cached
[21:50] <Nik05> Mem: 232 56 175 0 8 24
[21:50] <Nik05> ok it worked
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[21:51] <rikkib> 16m vid ram
[21:51] <Nik05> yey using 32 mb :D
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[21:51] <Nik05> 200 mb free
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[21:52] <Nik05> what happens if i put a small number in it?
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[21:53] <rikkib> 16 is the smallest
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[21:53] <Tachyon`> well that was quite surprising, XBMC had detected my TV, didn't realise that meant the TV remote would work it but it does, lol
[21:54] <[SLB]> what? you are using 16 already
[21:55] <[SLB]> which distro Tachyon`?
[21:56] <saturation> hmh, usb power drops when eth0 is plugged out?
[21:56] <Tachyon`> trying raspxbmc atm
[21:56] <scummos> bad power supply? ;P
[21:56] <saturation> scummos: nope 1.2
[21:57] <saturation> A Nokia charger
[21:57] <Tachyon`> although while it's nice it controls my tv, it's less nice that it breaks the tv audio on every boot requiring a power cycle (of the TV)
[21:57] <[SLB]> ah oks, not sure if cec actually works with my installation of xbmc over raspbian hm
[21:57] <Tachyon`> I didn't even know HDMI could pass data back in that way
[21:57] <Nik05> it can
[21:57] <Nik05> but you need support...
[21:58] <[SLB]> i think it's ethernet protocol
[21:58] <Matt> yup, it's not perfect in my environment
[21:58] <[SLB]> via hdmi
[21:58] <Matt> but it mostly works
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[21:59] <IT_Sean> I didn't think the Pi supported that.
[21:59] <IT_Sean> Has there been a change?
[21:59] <Matt> they announced libcec support a while back
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[22:00] <Tachyon`> must have been
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[22:01] <ech0s7> hi
[22:01] <Tachyon`> thought I'd need a media centre remote too, seems I won't
[22:01] <ech0s7> i'm using raspberry as access point
[22:01] <Tachyon`> jsut a pi bolted to the back of the tv, lol
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[22:01] <biberao> hey
[22:01] <Tachyon`> although nothing will be dedicated to that until I have a 512MB model in my hand
[22:01] <ech0s7> and i have setted hostapd
[22:01] <Tachyon`> for the more serious purposes
[22:01] <ech0s7> fine
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[22:04] * plugwash wonders if and when we will see Pis become readilly and consistently available
[22:04] <bertrik> heh, sensors-detect runs into problems trying to access /sys/bus/pci/devices on the pi ...
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> no sensible sensors..
[22:05] <plugwash> bertrik, well that would be because the Pi doesn't have a PCI bus
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[22:05] <bertrik> plugwash: yes I know, silly script
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[22:09] <steve_rox> hmm hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 does not work , how annoying
[22:10] <bertrik> hah, it recognizes my ds1621 with a little modification
[22:10] <bertrik> but the ds1621 kernel module does not exist
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[22:22] <Laban> Is there any good way to copy an existing SD-card based system on to another SD-card, but with smaller space?
[22:24] <Matt> depends how accomplished you are
[22:25] <Laban> I found a page saying to use losetup, which is a bit new to me. GParted couldn't do much with it.
[22:26] <Laban> Matt: What'd you recommend?
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> if you have anothe Linux machine it can be done.
[22:27] <Laban> I need to resize the partitions and truncate a 2gb image down to 1gb. There's plenty of free space to do this.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> it's not that hard.
[22:27] <Laban> gordonDrogon: Not a problem, I've got several :)
[22:29] <Laban> Made an image with dd to have if the attempt fails too.
[22:30] <Matt> I'd be tempted to copy the data off the old card to somewhere else, partition up the new one, mkfs as appropriate, then copy the data back
[22:30] <Matt> seeing as you don't need to much about with bootloaders like x86 systems
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[22:30] <nid0> you can resize2fs to shrink the filesystem, then repartition the disk smaller
[22:31] <nid0> then dd that to an image
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> if you havr another linux box and a spare SD, this is what I'd do...
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Take the new SD, and partition it - one for the VFAT, one for the ext4. format them.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> then put in the card with data in
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> if it's mounted under /mnt, then cp -a /mnt /var/tmp/data
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> then you can cp -a it from /var/tmp/data to the new SD card.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Do that for both partitions.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> it oguht to be quicker too as it's only copying data written, not an entire partitions worth of blocks.
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[22:39] <Tachyon`> it is, much quicker, taht's the way I usually do it, lol
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[22:40] <Tachyon`> pandora is good for that
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I have this sort of hard wired into me: cd /mnt ; find . -xdev | cpio -pm /target
[22:40] <Tachyon`> can just go sd to sd
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> from a long time ago.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I don't have 2 SD readers though.. I'd do it direct if I had.
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[22:40] <Tachyon`> that one is a bit beyod me -.o
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> cpio is old :)
[22:41] <Tachyon`> ahh
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> but it existed before cp -a
[22:41] <Gadgetoid> Aha!
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, !!!
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[22:43] <Matt> cpio is a funny little utility
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[22:46] <gordonDrogon> it's just old - had it days...
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[22:48] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ahoy! How do?
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not bad. not seen you for a bit.. had some people asking about an updated wiring python on the forums recently ...
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I'v e done some work on the rev2 Pi's...
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Indeed, it's that which has roused me from my slumber... or preoccupation anyway
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> I've neglected the wrappers for... quite a while! I should get my rev2 Pi in November
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> I've not got a rev 2 yet - sort of waiting... not sure for what though. money I guess!!!
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[23:02] <nid0> so, here's a question
[23:03] <nid0> any thoughts on how to view progress of a dd, in a different terminal to that which is running it
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> you kill the process with -USR1
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> so ps ax | fgrep dd
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> ge the pid number, then kill -USR1 nnn
[23:05] <nid0> which outputs progress to the terminal dd is running in
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> yea - dd is another old program...
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> dd stands for convert and copy, but cc had already been used.
[23:06] <Nik05> lol
[23:06] <Nik05> really? :P
[23:06] <nid0> yes
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> originally a tool for convering tapes from differnt block sizes and ebcdic to ascii...
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[23:07] <Nik05> and what is a better alternative to dd?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> there isn't one.
[23:07] <Nik05> :P
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> however you can use 'cat' - cat < /dev/mmccc < /var/tmp/filename
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> er, the 2nd < is a >
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> dd can read in bigger chunks though - more efficient
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> dd if=/dev/mm... of=file bs=8M
[23:09] <nid0> just cant come up with a way to capture a copy status using it :<
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's from the old word...
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> world. typings bad tonight. must be tired.
[23:09] <Nik05> yeah i have that too when im tired :p
[23:10] <Nik05> im goign to sleep bye
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[23:12] <blkhawk> lo
[23:14] <axion> pipe 'dd' through 'pv' or similar for progress
[23:15] <nid0> no can do sadly, cant alter the dd command itself
[23:15] <axion> dd if=/dev/urandom | pv | dd of=file.out
[23:15] <axion> 12.4MiB 0:00:07 [1.93MiB/s] [
[23:16] <nid0> would need to do some serious alias fiddling to be able to run the dd through pv
[23:16] <axion> lol ok
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[23:17] <BillyBag2> Hi, anyone know how to set up SSI on apache2 ?
[23:19] <nid0> you need to make sure the include module is running, and ensure you have Options +Includes in your apache2.conf/httpd.conf
[23:20] <BillyBag2> I added that to the apache2.conf file. It is still not working.
[23:20] <nid0> and the first half of what I said?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> some dd's can output to stdout - dd of=-
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[23:22] <un1x> hello everybody, just joined freenode
[23:23] <BillyBag2> I added the include module to the mod-enabled using somthing like a2moden. I can see it in the directory. I restarted the service. How can I tell if it is running?
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[23:25] <BillyBag2> Ok sumt like a2enmod .....
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[23:27] <BillyBag2> Hi nid0, is there an easy way to tell inf the include module is running?
[23:28] <nid0> apachectl -t -D DUMP_MODULES
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[23:28] <nid0> if include is loaded, check your apache log, it should be telling you why the SSI include isnt working
[23:29] <BillyBag2> OK, include_modle is loaded.
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[23:35] <BillyBag2> Um, where is my log? Its not in /etc/apache2 ?
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[23:37] <[diecast]> hmm, maybe /var/log/apache or something
[23:37] <[diecast]> i use nginx
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[23:42] <BillyBag2> Ok, the log is saying I have not set the Includes option. I'll check apache2.conf again.
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[23:42] <aaa801> wooo, got my pi running on a li-po now
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[23:43] <AC`97> i ran mine on a li-ion
[23:43] <AC`97> no boost :D
[23:43] <aaa801> What you using for voltage ?
[23:43] <AC`97> ??
[23:43] <aaa801> im using a ubec
[23:43] <aaa801> well my li-po runs at 12v
[23:44] <aaa801> using a ubec to drop it down to 5v
[23:44] <AC`97> mine was a single cell :P
[23:44] <aaa801> pi seems to like it
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[23:44] <biberao> hi
[23:44] <AC`97> i believe mine was ~3.8-3.9v
[23:45] <TheSeven> AC`97: ethernet will drop out below 3.9V
[23:45] <AC`97> ORLY
[23:45] <TheSeven> also USB
[23:45] <AC`97> false? o.o
[23:45] <TheSeven> no idea how far down the CPU will work
[23:45] <AC`97> cpu will probably work down to 2 volts or less
[23:46] <AC`97> .. if you bypass the regulators
[23:46] <TheSeven> well the cpu also has a 3.3v rail as well, no idea what the tolerance on that is
[23:46] <AC`97> ohthat
[23:46] <biberao> AC`97: you're old
[23:46] <TheSeven> anyway, adding a better 3.3v regulator helps it work down to 2.9V :)
[23:46] * AC`97 hisses and crackles at biberao
[23:47] <AC`97> also, i typo'd. 3v, not 2v :P
[23:47] * ancdix (~ancdix@94.252.49.131) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[23:47] <AC`97> i need to start reading what i type
[23:48] <BillyBag2> Am I suposed to put the "Options +Includes" somewhere special? I just have it at the end of apache2.conf
[23:48] <scummos> AC`97: You were that guy with the torch, weren't you? :)
[23:48] <AC`97> .htaccess
[23:48] <AC`97> BillyBag2: ^
[23:48] <AC`97> scummos: i like torches.
[23:48] * RaycisCharles is now known as OmNomDePlume
[23:49] <scummos> AC`97: I tried to solder with a frying pan
[23:49] <scummos> but the board got all brown
[23:49] <IT_Sean> O_o
[23:49] <AC`97> om nom nom, brown
[23:49] <scummos> did you use special board materials?
[23:49] <AC`97> need flux
[23:49] <scummos> mine was FR-4 which apparently doesn't like more than 140 C
[23:50] <IT_Sean> You tried to solder a board in a frying pan?
[23:50] <scummos> IT_Sean: yes
[23:50] <scummos> it worked, even
[23:50] <scummos> it's just a bit brown
[23:50] <IT_Sean> what board?
[23:50] <IT_Sean> Not a raspi, i hope...
[23:50] <scummos> uh, just a test board for now
[23:50] <scummos> no xD
[23:50] <IT_Sean> Okay then.
[23:50] <scummos> (a 10QFN adc)
[23:51] <AC`97> did your pan have oil in it?
[23:51] <scummos> no
[23:51] <scummos> should it?
[23:52] <AC`97> probably not
[23:52] <scummos> it was not actually a pan, it was an approximate pan
[23:52] <IT_Sean> Did you season the board with a selection of spices, first?
[23:52] <scummos> :D
[23:52] <scummos> no
[23:52] <IT_Sean> that was your mistake
[23:52] <scummos> but FR-4 in general does not seem to like that technique, so I'm wondering whether there's better materials for that
[23:53] * un1x (~un1x@cpc8-dals15-2-0-cust17.hari.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()
[23:53] <IT_Sean> Perhaps a splash of olive oil, and a little salt, too.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> hot air gun...
[23:55] <BillyBag2> So I have added a .htaccess file to the directory that contains the .shtml file. added the line "Options +Includes", mod_include is still compaining the option is not set. (restsrted service)
[23:56] <BillyBag2> Di i need to add more than just this line?
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[23:59] <scummos> gordonDrogon: don't have one, and I somehow don't want to buy one for soldering just one part :(

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