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IRC Log for 2012-10-24

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[0:00] <scummos> AC`97: what I really wanted to ask, so you didn't actively use a special board material for torch soldering?
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[0:06] <AC`97> scummos: just torch.
[0:06] <AC`97> propane, butane, acetylene, same difference :P
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[0:06] <AC`97> just gotta be more careful with the propane torch
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[0:07] <AC`97> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e0Dmu9Vh8lU/TkM7308UnjI/AAAAAAAAGC8/5N_7AZmIDwE/s400/How-to-make-a-fractal-antenna-for-HDTV-DTV-plus-.jpg
[0:08] <AC`97> ^ i created one of these using individual segments of very thick copper wire
[0:08] <AC`97> + silver solder + butane torch om nom nom
[0:08] <AC`97> i had to grind angles on each segment too. lots of finger burn
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[0:12] <strangelemon> Hi I have a 512MB of RAM Pi and I'm suspecting that the memory is not fully allocated. Do I need to grab these firmware files: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot ?
[0:12] <strangelemon> I couldn't find anything comprehensive online.
[0:12] <AC`97> strangelemon: which what distro
[0:12] <strangelemon> Raspbian
[0:13] <strangelemon> when I run top it tells me that KiB Mem: 189104 total, which is 184 m
[0:13] <strangelemon> *mb
[0:14] <strangelemon> I ran apt-get update && dist-update but it didn't get any RPi firmware packages...
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[0:16] <strangelemon> Is there a better way to check memory allocation?
[0:16] <AC`97> yes.
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[0:16] <Syliss> oi
[0:16] <AC`97> what is in your /boot/config.txt ?
[0:17] <strangelemon> It doesn't have a line for gpu_mem if that's what you're asking
[0:17] <strangelemon> which gave me the idea that its not up to date
[0:17] <strangelemon> It doesn't have anything pertaining to memory as far as I can see
[0:18] <AC`97> so you still have a start.elf ?
[0:18] <strangelemon> yes
[0:18] <AC`97> interesting
[0:18] <AC`97> perhaps you can try upgrading manually
[0:18] <strangelemon> and I have some replacements for it, all of which have numbers from the 256mb Pi
[0:18] <strangelemon> from the git repository?
[0:19] <AC`97> yes.
[0:19] <strangelemon> should I just replace the start.elf? or the other files too?
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[0:21] <AC`97> others too
[0:21] <strangelemon> so everything in that repository?
[0:21] <AC`97> as much as you can.
[0:21] <strangelemon> I'm kind of worried that this will make my Pi unbootable
[0:21] <Syliss> strangelemon: you can't brick the pi
[0:22] <strangelemon> I can't?
[0:22] <Syliss> just format the sd card and you'll be fine
[0:22] <strangelemon> Yeah that's true
[0:22] <Syliss> there is no bios or the like
[0:22] <strangelemon> yeah of course
[0:22] <strangelemon> okay here goes
[0:22] <strangelemon> sorry for the noob question but is there an easy way to do this with git?
[0:22] <TheSeven> well the GPU thing is kind of a bios, but it's on the sd card :)
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[0:24] <strangelemon> should I move away the current contents of /boot or just thrown stuff in from the repository?
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[0:25] <AC`97> make a backup if you wish
[0:25] <TheSeven> you need bootcode.bin and start.elf
[0:25] <AC`97> and perhaps start_cd.elf
[0:26] <AC`97> what is this fixup*.dat ?
[0:26] <strangelemon> no idea what those are for...
[0:26] <TheSeven> start_cd.elf is the 16MB GPU memory version of start.elf IIUC
[0:26] <TheSeven> no idea what that fixup thing is
[0:27] <TheSeven> also is the cutdown kernel somehow related to the cutdown gpu code, or is that a completely different kind of cutdown?
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[0:27] <AC`97> er, no clue
[0:27] <AC`97> perhaps it's also related to the gpu
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[0:28] <AC`97> Hello Rob Morrissey
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[0:29] <strangelemon> Is it okay to git clone the git repo with the stuff straight into /boot?
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[0:29] <strangelemon> once I've backed up
[0:30] <AC`97> strangelemon: yes.
[0:30] * AC`97 clones nao
[0:31] <plugwash> BillyBag2: It's a while since i've set up apache but iirc if you want to use htaccess files you have to explicitly enable support for them in the apache configuration
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[0:32] <AC`97> BillyBag2: also, that option goes where your http folder is defined
[0:32] <AC`97> erm, html folder*
[0:32] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[0:32] <AC`97> GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nomnomnom
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[0:35] <AC`97> strangelemon: got your army of clones yet?
[0:35] <strangelemon> I'm struggling with git
[0:36] <AC`97> orly
[0:36] <strangelemon> Is it just git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[0:36] <AC`97> http://ponies.edited.us/tmp/firmware/boot.zip
[0:36] <AC`97> i did it for you.
[0:36] <AC`97> :P
[0:36] <AC`97> hope you have an unzip util
[0:37] <strangelemon> Oh thanks so much!
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[0:37] <AC`97> (:
[0:37] <AC`97> http://ponies.edited.us/tmp/firmware/boot.tarbz2
[0:37] <strangelemon> for the future though, what command did you do?
[0:37] <AC`97> i cloned the whole tree.
[0:37] <AC`97> lololol
[0:38] <AC`97> git clone git://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware.git
[0:38] <strangelemon> ah
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[0:39] <mervaka> I've gone to the dark side, and I'm learning how to program for a Cortex M4!
[0:39] <AC`97> M4F?
[0:39] <mervaka> ya
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[0:40] <mervaka> STM32F407 to be more precise
[0:40] <mervaka> Keil RTX is pretty cool
[0:40] <strangelemon> I guess it's time to restart
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[0:40] <mervaka> just don't search for M4F in reddit..
[0:41] <mervaka> or craigslist for that.
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[0:41] <strangelemon> hooray it booted!
[0:42] <AC`97> moar memories??
[0:42] <strangelemon> 438 mb
[0:42] <strangelemon> Isn't that a bit much?
[0:44] <strangelemon> I still have my old config.txt though
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[0:44] <AC`97> hmm
[0:44] <strangelemon> do I just manually put in a gpu_mem line
[0:44] <strangelemon> ?
[0:44] <AC`97> yes
[0:45] <strangelemon> what is the grammar?
[0:45] <strangelemon> gpu_mem=?
[0:45] <AC`97> er, no clue.. never used that before :P
[0:45] <AC`97> doesn't hurt to try
[0:46] <AC`97> mervaka: i shall have a Stellaris LM4F120 next month >:D
[0:46] <strangelemon> Hm it's a shame they don't have a model config file in that repo
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[0:46] <strangelemon> is this going to become available in the next few days or are they gonna keep shipping pis that don't use their full ram?
[0:46] <preditor> If only there was a wiki or something that had the information in *sigh*
[0:46] <AC`97> https://github.com/Evilpaul/RPi-config/blob/master/config.txt
[0:46] <AC`97> strangelemon: ^
[0:47] <strangelemon> The wikis been pretty helpful but I didn't find anything on memory allocation
[0:47] <AC`97> wiki probably hasn't been updated yet... perhaps
[0:47] <strangelemon> oh shit now I see it
[0:47] <preditor> "oh poo" you mean?
[0:48] <AC`97> oh manure
[0:48] <BillyBag2> Thanks for the help. I found the issue. The "default" "sites-available" script has "AllowOveride None", this needs to be changed to "AllowOveride Options".
[0:50] <strangelemon> sorry
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[0:53] <strangelemon> Thanks a lot everyone I think it's okay now
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[0:53] <strangelemon> maybe it'll be able to run a browser at a decent speed now
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[0:53] <DeliriumTremens> on my pi, i had to add a line to rc.local to get my wlan0 up
[0:53] <DeliriumTremens> i also have a bunch of mounts in fstab
[0:54] <DeliriumTremens> these arent mounting, i assume because fstab is firing before rc.local
[0:55] <preditor> I finally got round to soldering a couple of pieces of wire onto the polyfuses on my rev 1.0 RasPi. It's not perfect, but it does help.
[0:56] <strangelemon> what is that for?
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[0:58] <TheSeven> mervaka: oh, a fellow stm32f4 guy! :)
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[1:01] <strangelemon> Actually I'm having another problem
[1:02] <strangelemon> for some reason
[1:02] <strangelemon> if my Pi turns on when it is not HDMI-connected to any screen
[1:02] <strangelemon> connecting the cable later doesn't turn the display on
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[1:02] <strangelemon> but what I think I need is this setting in config.txt
[1:02] <strangelemon> hdmi_force_hotplug
[1:02] <DeliriumTremens> strangelemon: same here
[1:03] <strangelemon> according to this page:
[1:03] <strangelemon> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[1:03] <strangelemon> I think the problem is that it won't go into HDMI mode if HDMI is not detected during boot
[1:03] <IT_Sean> The pi detects HDMI displays at boot. If there isn't one, it fails over to composite out. you can set it to force output to HDMI, however.
[1:03] <strangelemon> okay I guess I was right
[1:03] <strangelemon> lemme try it out now
[1:03] <blkhawk> any idea how to get omxplayer to work better with files without audio track?
[1:03] <preditor> Force hotplug. It's necessary.
[1:04] <blkhawk> it alwaysa takes about 2 minutes to play a flv file without audio
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[1:04] <scummos> AC`97: hmm, okay, thanks for your help!
[1:04] <scummos> AC`97: I'll do some further research then :(
[1:04] <maicod> hi
[1:05] <maicod> I finally got quake3 compiled and it runs but when the level is loaded it reboots my whole Pi. I tried different gpu/cpu splits
[1:05] <strangelemon> Okay member:identifier:deliriumtremens it worked
[1:06] <blkhawk> maicod: maybe it runs out of memory
[1:06] <blkhawk> do you have a swap file?
[1:06] <maicod> 100mb
[1:06] <maicod> the normal swapfile setting of wheezy
[1:06] <blkhawk> ah
[1:07] <blkhawk> shouldn't reboot in any case
[1:07] <DeliriumTremens> strangelemon: did it?
[1:07] <BillyBag2> maicod, is it ok in lowest overclock setting?
[1:07] <DeliriumTremens> noice
[1:07] * DeliriumTremens waits for pi to come back up
[1:07] <maicod> it is not overclocked
[1:07] <DeliriumTremens> i had some...issues with my last OC -.-
[1:07] <maicod> I suspect the sound driver
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[1:08] <maicod> can I run quake with nosound somehow to test ?
[1:08] <blkhawk> maicod: there should be a way to start it without sound
[1:08] <maicod> oh
[1:08] <blkhawk> a command like option i assume
[1:08] <blkhawk> doom had one ;)
[1:08] <BillyBag2> If i short the USB fuses can I feed power in though the usb connector?
[1:08] <maicod> blkhawk: I tried different memory settings like 64/192 128/128 even 160/96
[1:09] <maicod> ah i'll google
[1:09] <blkhawk> maicod: I don't think you need too much texture memory
[1:09] <blkhawk> when Quake 3 came out 64MB was the best you could get
[1:09] <maicod> OK
[1:09] <maicod> so its probably the sound driver
[1:10] <AC`97> maicod: overclock ??
[1:10] <AC`97> oh nvm
[1:10] * AC`97 doesn't know how to read
[1:10] <maicod> AC`97: will do that later
[1:10] <maicod> heh
[1:11] <AC`97> or try some overvolt first
[1:11] <maicod> would it help if the basic 700mhz doesnt work?
[1:11] <AC`97> possibly
[1:11] <blkhawk> maicod: 64mb was how much memory most PCs had at the time
[1:11] <maicod> I mean it should run albeit slower
[1:11] <maicod> Ok blkhawk
[1:11] <AC`97> i had 8MB
[1:12] <AC`97> then 16mb... then all the way up to 96MB :D
[1:12] <blkhawk> anyone in here knows how to get omxplayer to work without sound?
[1:12] <des2> I once paid $2,400 for 64MB!
[1:12] <strangelemon> DeliriumTremens: did it work?
[1:12] <AC`97> . . .
[1:12] <BillyBag2> Can I control the volume of the HDMI port?
[1:12] <AC`97> BillyBag2: possibly not
[1:12] <DeliriumTremens> strangelemon: i havent tried yet
[1:12] <blkhawk> AC`97: the memory prices crashed in 99 / 2000
[1:13] <blkhawk> suddently 512 became possible
[1:13] <strangelemon> oh well it should work, good luck
[1:13] <DeliriumTremens> i have sme other things i wanted to do before sending it down again
[1:13] <Blu3Knight> BillyBag2: Not the Volume of port but you should be able to control the overall volume with alas utilities
[1:13] <strangelemon> has anyone managed to get any browser to work smoothly on the Pi?
[1:13] <AC`97> strangelemon: dillo
[1:13] <AC`97> links/elinks/lynx
[1:13] <des2> The PI is a little slow for modern browsers.
[1:13] <strangelemon> right so nothing x-based
[1:14] <AC`97> des2: links is not a modern browser? o.o
[1:14] <AC`97> strangelemon: dillo, xlinks
[1:14] <des2> Acelerated X should be out soon hopefullt.
[1:14] <strangelemon> oh I never tried those
[1:14] <Blu3Knight> strangelemon: Depends on the X ??? I am playing with a few very small ones now to see which is better to include in distro.
[1:14] <AC`97> there's also a links with graphics support
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[1:17] <BillyBag2> I tried to set the volume when listening on HDMI but failed. Any ideas what I should try?
[1:18] <mervaka> AC`97: cool. That's the TI one, right?
[1:19] <maicod> I managed to disable the sound but it crashed after 30sec of playing a level
[1:19] <maicod> the whole Pi reboots
[1:19] <mervaka> I've gone for the ST disco boards. loads of bang for your buck!
[1:19] <AC`97> mervaka: mine was $5 each XD
[1:19] <AC`97> that's a lot of bang...
[1:19] <des2> "Accelerated X will be a solved problem soon; we've put engineering resource on it, and it's actively being worked on" - Liz, Oct 15.
[1:20] * maicod was talking about quake3
[1:20] <mervaka> thats pretty good :P
[1:20] <maicod> :)
[1:20] <mervaka> anyway, nn
[1:20] <AC`97> ??.??
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[1:20] <AC`97> maicod: overvolt.
[1:21] <maicod> oh forgot
[1:21] <maicod> can I just use the raspi-congig menu for that ?
[1:21] <maicod> config
[1:21] <AC`97> yes...
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[1:21] <maicod> ok
[1:21] <AC`97> but then edit your config manually and bump down the values
[1:21] <AC`97> maybe like 701MHz for arm, and stock for rest, 6 for overclock
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[1:22] <AC`97> because i'm not sure if turbo mode will apply overvolt without overclock
[1:22] <maicod> AC`97: the medium setting says 900mhz/2 overvolt
[1:22] <maicod> the lower ones don't overvolt
[1:23] <maicod> 700 and 800
[1:23] <AC`97> edit it manually :P
[1:23] <maicod> can I choose 'anything'?
[1:23] <AC`97> er... no clue
[1:23] <maicod> lemme see
[1:23] <maicod> in config.txt huh?
[1:23] <AC`97> yes
[1:23] <AC`97> arm_freq=800, over_voltage=6
[1:24] <maicod> will try :)
[1:24] <AC`97> and see if quakes stops quaking XD
[1:24] <maicod> yea
[1:24] <maicod> quacking :)
[1:24] * AC`97 quacks
[1:24] <TeeCee> Anyone here using WH1080 weather station with their Pi?
[1:24] * maicod slaps AC`97 around a bit with a heavy notebook :)
[1:25] <AC`97> D:<
[1:25] <maicod> heh
[1:25] * AC`97 slaps a cactus around a bit with maicod
[1:25] * maicod cries
[1:25] <AC`97> >:D
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[1:26] <AC`97> what's a weather station ??
[1:26] <AC`97> is it like a train station
[1:26] <maicod> AC`97: my config.txt has these:
[1:26] <maicod> core_freq=333
[1:26] <maicod> sdram_freq=450
[1:26] <maicod> over_voltage=2
[1:26] <maicod> and also arm_freq=900
[1:26] <maicod> what should I do with them all :)
[1:26] <AC`97> oh, bump down arm_freq then
[1:27] <AC`97> were they commented out? o.o
[1:27] <TeeCee> AC`97: http://www.weather-station-products.co.uk/
[1:27] <maicod> nope
[1:27] <maicod> AC`97: I chose the medium settings in raspi-config first
[1:27] <AC`97> well, get arm_freq down to 800, and try to raise over_voltage
[1:27] <maicod> so the others can be commented out ?
[1:27] <AC`97> oh. yah.
[1:27] <maicod> ok
[1:28] <AC`97> TeeCee: looks gnarly
[1:28] <Datalink> I'd be using the recommended turbo mode chart...
[1:28] <AC`97> Datalink: which what turbo mode chart ??
[1:28] <AC`97> we're just doing some debugging
[1:28] <AC`97> or uh.. troubleshooting
[1:28] <maicod> ok rebooting
[1:28] <AC`97> or troublequaking
[1:29] <maicod> heh
[1:29] <maicod> AC`97: stella is cool. u can play a2600 games ;)
[1:30] <AC`97> games are boring though
[1:30] <maicod> heh
[1:31] <maicod> it rebooted immediately after issueing ./ioquake3.arm
[1:31] <maicod> well almost immediately
[1:32] <maicod> the white lines were still running
[1:32] <des2> If games are boring you haven't found the right one yet.
[1:32] <blkhawk> what was the link for that RPI dev VM image again?
[1:35] <plugwash> do you mean http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=7345 ?
[1:35] <blkhawk> yes that was the one ;)
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[1:49] <Datalink> AC`97, oh...
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[1:53] <maicod> AC`97: all kinds of overclocking made the Pi reboot even quicker with quake3. I now tried my other Pi and what do you think ? it works like a charm (not overclocked/overvolted). I suspect the other Pi is bad :(
[1:53] <maicod> it had never been overclocked yet (only tonight as you suggested to try)
[1:53] <Tachyon`> morning -.o
[1:53] <maicod> hi Tachyon`
[1:54] <maicod> your compiling the morning :)
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[1:54] <des2> When you tried the other PI did you use the same SD card and power supply and keyboard and mouse ?
[1:54] <maicod> yeah exactly !
[1:54] <maicod> I just changed the cables to the other Pi
[1:54] <Tachyon`> did you also sacrifice a chicken over it to appease the technology gods?
[1:54] <maicod> I didnt ;)
[1:55] <maicod> des2: quake3 finally runs but I am sad that the other Pi is not stable :(
[1:55] <IT_Sean> Chicken, no. To appease the technology gods, i recommend sacraficing a floppy disk.
[1:55] <Tachyon`> probably fine, chickens are for SCSI chains really
[1:55] <Tachyon`> my pi can't seem to play wrath of khan over the network using xbmc
[1:55] <Tachyon`> what are the bets it just works with omxplayer, the motion picture did
[1:56] <des2> Do both PIs have the same polyfuse confiduration ?
[1:57] <maicod> yeah they are the first releases of hw
[1:57] <maicod> I got them for months
[2:00] <AC`97> maicod: time for warranty exchange
[2:00] <maicod> yea
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[2:00] <maicod> i'll ask farnell to replace it
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[2:03] <maicod> q3 LOL
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[2:06] <Tachyon`> raspxbmc does hardware acceleration doesn't it? it looks accelerated?
[2:07] <maicod> don't ask me ;0
[2:08] <inspired> genereal question: has anyone tried firing snmp traps by using the GPIO pins?
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[2:10] <maicod> trying the other Pi yet another time
[2:10] <maicod> quake3 runs very good on the RS Pi
[2:10] <maicod> from RS components
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[2:13] <des2> RS Pis are mythical.
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[2:14] <maicod> are they different Pi's then?
[2:14] <maicod> only difference I can see is the brand of RAM
[2:15] <des2> Oh really what are the brands ?
[2:15] <maicod> so I am now sure my Farnell Pi is BAD :(((((
[2:15] <maicod> ehw
[2:15] <maicod> lemme see
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[2:15] <maicod> I got one bare and one in LEGO case
[2:15] <maicod> I got pics of the board too wait
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[2:16] <maicod> Pi from RS: http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3536.jpg
[2:17] <maicod> Pi from Farnell (BAD one): http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3532.jpg
[2:17] <maicod> maybe the RAM is corrupt ?
[2:17] <Tachyon`> eh?
[2:18] <Tachyon`> faulty I think you mean, lol
[2:18] <maicod> yea
[2:18] <Tachyon`> but I'd be very surprised
[2:18] <maicod> <dutch :)
[2:18] <Tachyon`> ah yes ;p
[2:18] <maicod> Tachyon`: really quake runs fine on one and not on the other
[2:18] <maicod> it reboots it
[2:18] <Tachyon`> yeah, clearly there is a problem
[2:18] <Tachyon`> I'd suspect bad BGA connections myself
[2:18] <Tachyon`> suppose it'll have to go back
[2:18] <maicod> :(
[2:18] <maicod> yeah
[2:19] <Tachyon`> should try quake on mine
[2:19] <maicod> i'll keep it aside for now (have to YET ANOTHER TIME) cycle my Pi's
[2:19] <Tachyon`> try running xaos on it instead of quake
[2:19] <Tachyon`> can't beleive how well XBMC works, tv remote controls it etc.
[2:20] <maicod> I first used the RS one then it appeared to make filesystem corruptions so to be sure I started using the one from Farnell and now that one breaks with Quake and the RS one doesnt
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[2:20] <maicod> yeah will do that soon
[2:20] <Tachyon`> FS corruption is likely the card
[2:20] <maicod> oh ok
[2:20] <Tachyon`> at least it was here, do you have a spare SD you can try?
[2:20] <maicod> des2: seen the different RAM chips ?
[2:20] <maicod> Tachyon`: I use the same one for both Pi's now
[2:21] <maicod> I used to use a 32GB one and now use a 16GB one
[2:21] <Tachyon`> ahh, hrm
[2:21] <Tachyon`> and they both exhibited fs corruption issues?
[2:21] <maicod> the 32GB one might be the culprit
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[2:21] <maicod> no
[2:21] <Tachyon`> ahhh
[2:21] <des2> One hynix.
[2:21] <maicod> the 16GB didnt but
[2:21] <maicod> I also changed Pi at the same moment
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[2:21] <Tachyon`> ahh
[2:21] <maicod> so it could be either
[2:22] <Tachyon`> yeah, I'd try the 16 in the first one
[2:22] <des2> One Samsung
[2:22] <maicod> yeah I start using the RS one again
[2:22] <maicod> got to move it inside the Lego case :)
[2:22] <maicod> yeah des2
[2:22] <maicod> funny eh :)
[2:22] <Tachyon`> strangely the 16 that was giving me problems was a high quality sandisk job
[2:22] <maicod> ah I now got a PNY one
[2:22] <Tachyon`> so I suspect it's just compatibility isses rather than actual fautls
[2:23] <maicod> probably the flash controller ic
[2:23] <maicod> inside a card is controller ic & memory ic
[2:23] <Tachyon`> indeed
[2:23] <Tachyon`> the controllers vary quite a bit too
[2:23] <Tachyon`> with wear leveling algorithms and so on
[2:23] <des2> maicod can you post full pictures of both boards ?
[2:23] <maicod> yeah and even with cards holding the same labelling !
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[2:24] <maicod> des2: http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3530.jpg
[2:24] <Tachyon`> fuses look different, hrm
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[2:25] <maicod> where are they?
[2:25] <Tachyon`> near the USB ports
[2:25] <maicod> the green ones ?
[2:25] <maicod> square little thingies
[2:25] <Tachyon`> aye
[2:25] <maicod> ah o
[2:25] <maicod> ok
[2:25] <des2> On later model Version1s the USB polyfuses were replaced with 0 ohm resistors
[2:25] <maicod> yeah they differ
[2:26] <maicod> I know yea
[2:26] <maicod> wonders why cause it seems the Pi is less protected
[2:26] <des2> The polyfuses limited the current out via USB to 140 mA
[2:26] <TheSeven> because the usb polyfuses caused a hell of a lot of problems?
[2:26] <maicod> ok :)
[2:26] <des2> And caused voltage drops.
[2:27] <maicod> aye
[2:27] <des2> This caused problems with some keyboards
[2:27] <preditor> http://imgur.com/oUP23 On some of them users have put their own "0ohm resistors" in
[2:27] <des2> And bluetooth and Wifi adapters.
[2:27] <rikkib> 5.5v input voltage (tp1 - tp2 4.75v) 400mA ~
[2:27] <maicod> ok I get it
[2:27] <TheSeven> preditor: not quite as visible on mine, just little non-insulated wires around the fuses :)
[2:28] <Tachyon`> yes, there's a small wire on mine soemwhere for similar reasons, lol
[2:28] <rikkib> Now have power break out and driving the RPi with a 2A DC-DC converter
[2:28] <maicod> rikkib/preditor/theseven: one of my Pi's crashes when running Quake3 and when I insert all cables and the same sdcard in the other Pi it works fine
[2:28] <maicod> so I suspect a faulty PI :(
[2:28] <TheSeven> maybe a tripped input polyfuse?
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[2:29] <des2> maicod can you measure the TP1 TP2 voltage on both pis
[2:29] <maicod> if so would it heal ?
[2:29] <TheSeven> maicod: that can take days/weeks
[2:29] <maicod> oh
[2:29] <maicod> but
[2:29] <maicod> I've not done anyting weird with it
[2:29] <maicod> used the same devices
[2:30] <maicod> been messing with quake3 alot to get it working etc
[2:30] <maicod> didnt overclock
[2:30] <maicod> etc
[2:30] <TheSeven> well, just check it
[2:30] <TheSeven> measure tp1-tp2 voltage on both under identical conditions
[2:30] <TheSeven> if there's a difference, blame the input polyfuse
[2:30] <maicod> OK
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[2:30] <TheSeven> if there isn't, look for other causes
[2:30] <maicod> hehe
[2:31] <TheSeven> it's an easy thing to rule out at least
[2:31] <maicod> got to remove the Pi from the case first
[2:31] <maicod> yea
[2:31] <maicod> need I run a heavy cpu program?
[2:31] <maicod> i.e. play a vid with omxplayer
[2:31] <des2> Sure
[2:31] <maicod> would that be a good test ?
[2:31] <des2> Will result in highest current use
[2:32] <rikkib> Not only does the latest kernel crash motion it also locks up the camera device requiring it to be detached and plugged in again.
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[2:32] <maicod> need to break open my Lego case first ;)
[2:32] * des2 hands maicod the plastic hammer
[2:33] <TheSeven> so does anyone know what the heck is fixup.dat?
[2:34] <des2> Yes.
[2:34] <TheSeven> well, that was to be expected
[2:35] <TheSeven> so do *you* happen to know it?
[2:35] <des2> No.
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[2:37] <Blu3Knight> How do I use GIT to get the differences from the RPI GIt Master? (not a big GIT user here)
[2:38] <rikkib> man git
[2:38] <rikkib> there are two commands
[2:39] <preditor> I'd probably search for it on an Internet search engine if `man git` didn't come up with the answer I needed.
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[2:40] <des2> TheSeven fixup_cd.dat is used when gpu_mem=16. It does something to allow the low split but I can't find what exactly.
[2:43] <maicod> I playing a video on the RS Pi and voltage is levelling off at 4,88
[2:43] <maicod> 4.88v
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[2:46] <maicod> 4.83 in quake when running around
[2:46] <maicod> can;t do that on the other Pi :(
[2:47] <des2> THe PI that doesn't work has F1 and F2 polyfuses.
[2:47] <des2> ?
[2:47] <maicod> both
[2:47] <maicod> they are from may so they are the old revs
[2:48] <maicod> May
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[2:48] <des2> Well F1 and F2 look different in the Pics.
[2:48] <maicod> oh
[2:48] <maicod> weird
[2:48] <des2> On both pis.
[2:48] <des2> I can't tell exactly cause the pic is a little blurry.
[2:48] <maicod> did you click on it to enlarge?
[2:49] <TheSeven> des2: sure, fixup_cd is for the low split, but what is that fixup thing generally?
[2:49] <TheSeven> maicod: what are the voltages in similar situations on the nonworking pi? do they ever drop below 4.80V?
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[2:50] <maicod> theseven: I will do that in 5 mins
[2:50] <TheSeven> (actually things should just work fine down to at least 4.40V, but if it drops lower than on the other pi that's suspicious)
[2:50] <maicod> first trying to show des2 the originals of the pics of the boards
[2:50] <des2> TheSeven "cutdown versions without opengles/openmax/openvg/codec etc built in. They are used when gpu_mem=16."
[2:50] <TheSeven> yeah, that's the meaning of _cd
[2:51] <TheSeven> but what is fixup.dat?
[2:51] <maicod> des2: lemme do the checking of 2nd pi first
[2:51] <des2> maicod can you try it without any USB things plugged in.
[2:52] <des2> Start a program using the local file or @startup in cron
[2:52] <TheSeven> des2: the pictures both have usb polyfuses, but apparently different brands
[2:52] <TheSeven> both are 140mA
[2:52] <TheSeven> I think the input polyfuse is more relevant
[2:52] <des2> That's interesting. I didn't know there were multiple brands used.
[2:52] <TheSeven> (on the bottom of the board)
[2:53] <TheSeven> and if that is from a different brand as well that might well explain things
[2:53] <TheSeven> des2: also look at the weird CE logo on the right one
[2:53] <TheSeven> maicod: the right one is the nonworking one, right?
[2:53] <asaru> hmm
[2:54] <asaru> distcc setup.. now what to compile to test it
[2:54] <des2> Good catch TheSeven that's a really bogus CE
[2:54] <PReDiToR> Have you got the URL for the pics please?
[2:54] <TheSeven> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3530.jpg
[2:55] <des2> I wonder if these were made in different factories.
[2:55] <des2> And one got some sketchy parts.
[2:55] <maicod> right one is the RS one that works fine
[2:55] <TheSeven> funny
[2:55] <TheSeven> mine looks like the left one
[2:55] <des2> Darn I would have guessed the left one.
[2:55] <maicod> des2: what you said is wrong :)
[2:56] <TheSeven> the right one looks like a really early bird one
[2:56] <maicod> hehe
[2:56] <PReDiToR> My first 10k RasPi has a sticker on the bottom, not a CE like that
[2:56] <TheSeven> can you make a photo of the bottom side as well?
[2:56] <TheSeven> I'm interested in both the input polyfuse and the CE logo
[2:56] <maicod> yeah later
[2:56] <maicod> ok
[2:56] <maicod> first the voltage stuff
[2:56] <TheSeven> sure
[2:56] <des2> maicod did you measure the voltage on the bad one ?
[2:57] <TheSeven> I think he's just about to do that now
[2:58] <maicod> right now I doing that
[2:58] <maicod> its 4.88 volt
[2:58] <maicod> same !
[2:58] <maicod> with playing same hdvideo
[2:58] <maicod> omxplayer
[2:58] <maicod> 4.88 still
[2:58] <maicod> I could try quake but it will fail :)
[2:59] <des2> start quake while measuring voltage
[2:59] <des2> Use 3 hands.
[2:59] <maicod> ofc
[2:59] <maicod> heh
[2:59] <maicod> nah the wires are stuck in the pi
[2:59] <maicod> need one hand only
[3:00] <PReDiToR> http://imgur.com/CJg3r There is a logo on my early one in the same place, and the polyfuses are the same
[3:00] <PReDiToR> That was from RS
[3:01] <maicod> it stayed above 4.83 and it got to 5 when it rebooted
[3:02] <maicod> so I guess polyfuses are good
[3:02] <maicod> guess its RAM or the SOC
[3:03] <des2> GOt to 5 ?
[3:03] <des2> Interesting.
[3:03] <maicod> well ofc the cpu wasnt calculating at the reboot moment
[3:03] <maicod> so the voltage went up
[3:04] <maicod> but during a load it never went down 4.83
[3:04] <maicod> what things do you need me to take picture of ?
[3:05] <maicod> preditor: the one I got from RS has the same polyfuses. does yours have hynix mem ?
[3:06] <maicod> that one works fine with quake
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[3:09] <UnaClocker> Goodevening.
[3:10] <UnaClocker> I gave up on Newark and ordered a 512mb Pi on eBay. It was shipped the same day. ;)
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[3:10] <maicod> it was from a private reseller ?
[3:10] <maicod> cause then you probably paid too much :)_
[3:11] <UnaClocker> Yup.. Newark had me down for $60 shipped, I paid $52.
[3:11] <des2> heh.
[3:11] <maicod> hehhee
[3:11] <maicod> good
[3:11] <UnaClocker> :)
[3:11] <maicod> taking pics now dES
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[3:13] <des2> I think you should just try to get it replaced if possible.
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[3:13] <maicod> yeah but you wanted to see more pics didnt u?
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[3:15] <des2> I'm curious about the polyfuses.
[3:15] <maicod> and the backside huh
[3:15] <des2> Someone else wanted to see the backside.
[3:15] <maicod> oh TheSeven
[3:15] <maicod> hope he is still here
[3:16] <TheSeven> sure I am
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[3:16] <maicod> cool I'm taking pics now
[3:16] <UnaClocker> I desoldered my polyfuses and jumpered across them.
[3:16] <maicod> ah :)
[3:16] <des2> all 3 or just the USB UnaClocker ?
[3:16] <maicod> UnaClocker: but my tp1-tp2 voltage was good on both (4.83-4.88)
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[3:16] <PReDiToR> maicod: Yes, Hyinx
[3:16] <UnaClocker> http://imgur.com/a/mIhaR All 3..
[3:17] <maicod> preditor: you think that one is older production ?
[3:17] <maicod> it IS the one working best here
[3:17] <PReDiToR> maicod: Yes, first 10k
[3:17] <maicod> ah OK
[3:17] <maicod> I got it from RS as I said
[3:17] <maicod> I was nr 337..
[3:17] <PReDiToR> Yeah, RS UK.
[3:17] <maicod> yea
[3:17] <UnaClocker> I smoked my first 10k board, that's the one in the pictures.. Reversed the polarity.. Grrr..
[3:18] <maicod> so I wasnt nr 9999 or lower
[3:18] <maicod> maybe I was lucky :)
[3:18] <UnaClocker> I could probably fix it if I had a source for a new CPU..
[3:18] <des2> The CPU is balled and hides under the memory.
[3:19] <UnaClocker> Yup, already removed the memory.
[3:19] <maicod> yea and also the GPU
[3:19] <PReDiToR> I can get you one, with 512MB RAM fitted for ??30
[3:19] <UnaClocker> Yeah, can I buy the ram somewhere? I could totally handle a ram upgrade on my other 3 Pi.
[3:20] <TheSeven> UnaClocker: make a 1GB pi :)
[3:20] <maicod> des2/theseven: I'll try put a zipfile with the original non-resized pics of my cam on my webserver
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[3:20] <UnaClocker> I suspect I'd need a firmware that supports the 1GB option.. I think that's what kept anyone from upgrading in the past.
[3:20] <des2> Well you can see the partnumber on pics of the new one.
[3:21] <PReDiToR> I thought it might be a nice idea to make a daughterboard with the BGA on the base for doing POP, but with SODIMM slots on the top.
[3:21] <TheSeven> and I suspect you'd probably even get someone to make one for you, now that the firmware has to be somewhat flexible for 512M anyway
[3:21] <des2> Is there a 1GB version of the chip ?
[3:21] <PReDiToR> des2: No.
[3:21] <TheSeven> maicod: you don't need to, I've seen enough
[3:21] <des2> That would be an awesome project that would get you tons of hits and result in lots of destroyed pis
[3:21] <TheSeven> this is a pre-CE-certification board
[3:22] <UnaClocker> des2: hehe, offer to buy dead Pi at the end of the video.. $5 each.. ;)
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[3:26] <maicod> des2/theseven: http://www.maiconet.nl/dl2/
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[3:29] <Datalink> blaaah... want: http://pckeyboard.com/page/UKBD/UB404LA
[3:30] <Datalink> model M mechanism, trackball... it'd be perfect for my Pi...
[3:30] <des2> Keyboards should not cost more than your computer.
[3:30] <Datalink> des2, you've never used an M have you?
[3:31] <maicod> des2: did u see the polyfuses now
[3:31] <maicod> ?
[3:31] <maicod> more clearly
[3:31] <des2> I'm loading them...
[3:31] <maicod> oops :)
[3:31] <maicod> slow internet ?
[3:31] <maicod> just 'save as' them if u want
[3:31] <Datalink> Model M style keyboards could only be tougher if you forged them from metal
[3:32] <des2> Never uses an M
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[3:33] <Datalink> des2, they respond lighter than modern keyboards, respond faster and the tactile for them is very helpful..
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[3:33] <Datalink> on an M my typing speed jumps up 10 WPM with proper home row...
[3:34] <des2> The RS Pi has a real CE logo on the back
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[3:35] <UnaClocker> I have 4 Pi, they have 3 different silkscreens.
[3:35] <des2> heh
[3:35] <UnaClocker> And they're all original revision.
[3:35] <des2> See never be an early adopter...
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[3:36] <UnaClocker> hehe, by the time they shipped, I sure didn't feel like an early adopter. ;)
[3:36] <Datalink> if you catch me near the first of a month, I'll buy old Pis
[3:36] <UnaClocker> I need a couple more 256mb Pi's for my heater control project.
[3:36] <Datalink> UnaClocker, not being an early adopter implies someone else got theirs before you... given the delays
[3:36] <des2> 'Vintage PIs purchased'
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[3:36] <PReDiToR> I consider all of us that don't have a 512MB board "early adopters" and even then I'm not sure that they are ready to release the Model A yet.
[3:36] <Datalink> we'll all be early adoptors when the A comes out...
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[3:37] <UnaClocker> I was looking for cheap 256mb Pi's on eBay when I started finding lots of 512mb ones for less than Newark was charging me.. heh..
[3:37] <des2> Model A should be out sometime before Christmas (256MB)
[3:37] <Datalink> "oh this is nice, eww it doesn't run windows"
[3:37] <PReDiToR> What year?
[3:37] <Datalink> Soon(tm)
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[3:37] <UnaClocker> Yeah, the A would be perfect for my heater project, I don't really need the USB at all in this embedded application..
[3:37] <Datalink> it worked for CCP it'll work for the foundation
[3:37] <UnaClocker> Heh, Citrix got it to "run windows"..
[3:38] <UnaClocker> Thin client style..
[3:38] <PReDiToR> Under a VM?#
[3:38] <Datalink> UnaClocker, so just wifi dongle in each one or are they just microcontrollers?
[3:38] <UnaClocker> Datalink: I don't like Wifi, so not even that. ;)
[3:38] <Datalink> UnaClocker, that doesn't count if it's thin client
[3:38] <UnaClocker> Hardwired ethernet.
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[3:38] <des2> If the PI becomes extrememly popular and every schoolkid has one Microsoft will find a windows to run on it
[3:38] <Datalink> UnaClocker, the As are ethernetless
[3:38] <Datalink> 8 supposedly will have an ARM branch, but... 8
[3:38] <UnaClocker> To the end user, I imagine they feel like they're on a windows machine, so it counts to them.. ;)
[3:39] <UnaClocker> The OLPC inspired the Netbook craze, I've expected the Pi to do likewise with the PC world.
[3:40] <Datalink> I want an OLPC more cause it's got a mechanical charger and less cause of all the typicals...
[3:40] <maicod> des2: someone here said the Pi was a pre 10000 model but its the Farnell one lacking the CE . weird that its not viceversa
[3:41] <des2> Have you looked at the serial #s ?
[3:41] <UnaClocker> Where's the serial # at?
[3:41] * Datalink noms a wheel of cheese smaller than the Pi...
[3:41] <des2> Atouk's web page thingy displayed it.
[3:41] <PReDiToR> in /proc/cpuinfo
[3:42] <UnaClocker> heh, that won't work on my dead one. ;)
[3:42] <PReDiToR> Then you need some acid and some REAL geeks lol
[3:43] <UnaClocker> ;)
[3:43] <maicod> LOL UnaClocker
[3:44] <maicod> will look @ serials but need to break first. back in say 15-30m
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[3:54] <UnaClocker> My long distance GPIO test.. 100feet.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4T09K7U7cs
[3:56] <des2> Current loop used to work out to 2,000 feet or so.
[3:56] <des2> Nice video UnaClocker.
[3:57] <UnaClocker> :)
[3:57] <UnaClocker> Thanks
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[3:59] <des2> Heh - Arduino Xmas Ornament.
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[4:00] <UnaClocker> :)
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[4:01] <UnaClocker> Hiya Rob. :)
[4:01] <Datalink> UnaClocker, that the Adafruit dev board?
[4:02] <UnaClocker> In my video? No, it's a board I made: http://www.neonsquirt.com/robots/project-pi-heater-begins.html
[4:02] <Datalink> how much was the fab?
[4:02] <Datalink> nice blue
[4:03] <des2> purple
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[4:03] <UnaClocker> That board was $39 for 3 copies.. www.oshpark.com
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[4:04] <UnaClocker> Shipped
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[4:06] <des2> that's not bad.
[4:06] <Datalink> nice
[4:06] <UnaClocker> :)
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[4:09] <Datalink> UnaClocker, lemme dig out the last board I did layout on, friend sent me a schematic and I did the actual boards, I have the first edition, he hasn't sent me the second, first was in white, second in gloss black (which I like)
[4:10] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I've heard the black hides the traces pretty well..
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[4:10] <Datalink> http://youtu.be/XSvK1vEQaks
[4:10] <Datalink> my first ever EE customer and he's in another country XD
[4:11] <UnaClocker> Flipdots, sweet.. :)
[4:11] <des2> 12 views, I feel so exclusive
[4:11] <UnaClocker> :)
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[4:11] <Datalink> Flipdots running conways... it fried the last x hbridge chip if I recall, he's since beefed up his cooling, I warned him about thermal...
[4:11] <Datalink> des2, he never made it public, despite my proddings
[4:12] <Datalink> (the video that is)
[4:12] <des2> What program did you use for layout ?
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[4:12] <UnaClocker> Me, I used Eagle.
[4:12] <Datalink> eagle free, the black board below the dots is the one I designed
[4:12] <Datalink> the one with the ribbon
[4:13] <Datalink> 14 hours, give or take, 7 paid for... since the first 7 ended in my ripping up the entire board in frustration
[4:14] <wiley> I'm researching how to drive a TTL Serial device (0V/5V serial signal) from a RPi. I need two way communication at 57600bps
[4:14] <des2> heh
[4:14] <wiley> would something like this work, or would it not switch fast enough: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745 ?
[4:14] <des2> So you just need a level converter.
[4:15] <UnaClocker> wiley: Yup.
[4:15] <wiley> yes, but I'm getting confused due to all the different busses that encounter the same issue
[4:15] <Datalink> ugh, backup just started...
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[4:15] <des2> wiley you can just buy a variety of cheap DIP chips.
[4:15] <des2> 576000 isn't that fast.
[4:16] <des2> -0
[4:17] <Datalink> I've got a 74 series octal level shifter around here I use for small projects... got it with a 3.3v OLED that's SPI controlled.... since it was a kit intended for stuff like Arduino...
[4:17] <Datalink> the bottleneck with serial is usually the processor, anything upstream or downstream can usually handle the speed if it's an untimed logic chip
[4:19] <des2> 57.6k is considered low speed.
[4:19] <wiley> interesting
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[4:19] <atouk> taking suggestions for essential desktop utilities for the pi
[4:19] <wiley> every straight up chip I've looked at so far has been for RS232/TTL or RS232/3.3v
[4:20] <des2> http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3007
[4:20] <des2> Actually there are some cheap cmos level converters.
[4:21] <des2> I forget the part number. Let me look.
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[4:21] <des2> 4050
[4:22] <des2> http://codeandlife.com/2012/04/06/level-shifting-101/
[4:22] <des2> article showing 4050 CMOS level conversion use.
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[4:23] <des2> good to about 1 MHz
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[4:24] <wiley> interesting
[4:24] <wiley> the interesting part is that I may not even need this
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[4:24] <wiley> but I can't find a spec sheet for the device I'm interfacing to, so I don't know if it considers 3.3V "high" (it's an iRobot Create)
[4:25] <des2> atouk you mean higher level windows oriented programs ?
[4:26] <des2> Standard ttl works fine with 3.3v in if it is in face 3.3v
[4:27] <wiley> does the RPi generally maintain 3.3V?
[4:28] <des2> Not sure what the PI's GPIO Hi levels actually are.
[4:28] <des2> TTL requires 2.7v.
[4:28] <des2> http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_4/chpt_3/10.html
[4:28] <des2> Some level comparisons.
[4:29] <des2> I do know the the PIs GPIO in cannot handle 5V.
[4:29] <wiley> oh, yea, that would tend to ruin things, wouldn't it...
[4:29] <TheSeven> http://pastie.org/5106731 << ideas?
[4:30] <des2> It didn
[4:30] <des2> 't find Init.
[4:30] <maicod> des2: I said <maicod> des2: someone here said the Pi was a pre 10000 model but its the Farnell one lacking the CE . weird that its not viceversa . Here is the proof the non-ce farnell has an earlier serial nr too. RS has def84970 and Farnell has 9ee1a808
[4:30] <des2> Something is very wrong with your image.
[4:30] <TheSeven> thing is that this card used to work before
[4:30] <TheSeven> and "devtmpfs: error mounting -20" smells very odd
[4:31] <wiley> ... why are you running EXT4 on a SD card?
[4:31] <des2> Well we run several SD card image corruption complaints here per day.
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[4:33] <TheSeven> hahaha
[4:33] <TheSeven> wtf
[4:33] <TheSeven> http://pastie.org/5106743
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[4:34] <TheSeven> what on earth happened here... I just tried to upgrade firmware (offline, by putting in new files into the fat partition from my laptop)
[4:34] <TheSeven> after that it wouldn't boot anymore, even if I reverted the firmware change, and resulted in this
[4:35] <des2> You borked up.
[4:35] <maicod> your root files are inside /media/
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[4:37] <atouk> there's got to be an interesting story behind how that happened
[4:38] <maicod> :)
[4:38] <maicod> the cat walked on the keyboard
[4:39] <PReDiToR> Dog ate your homework?
[4:40] <PReDiToR> Had a Mt Dew on the monitor moment and it shorted out the keyboard?
[4:40] <maicod> preditor: my and your assumption that the Pi from RS was earlier version (<9999) can't be true as the Farnell Pi has a lower serial nr
[4:40] <maicod> also the Farnell Pi has no CE logo and the RS one has
[4:40] <PReDiToR> maicod: I made no assumption, I was merely providing information from my own experience. Just to be clear =)
[4:41] <maicod> preditor: it wasnt meant to attack you :)
[4:41] <maicod> after all you are the preditor :P
[4:41] <PReDiToR> Yeah you did! I'm gonna cry!
[4:41] <maicod> haha
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[4:41] <maicod> preditors dont cry they eat ppl :)
[4:42] <maicod> oops thats a predator ?
[4:42] <PReDiToR> You mean Yautja? Nah, they just like trophies.
[4:42] <maicod> english mistake :)
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[4:43] <maicod> preditor: Etymology 1
[4:43] <maicod> Blend of producer and editor
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[4:43] * maicod learns new things :)
[4:43] <PReDiToR> PR Editor is the reason I can't have preditor.com =/ That's made me sad for years. Just a placeholder. *shakes head*
[4:43] <maicod> *sucks*
[4:44] <maicod> preditor.net ?
[4:44] <atouk> .org and you can start a club. get fancy hats and all
[4:44] <PReDiToR> I'm not all that bothered. I self hosted for a few years on DynDNS, but then AOL decided to weight home IP ranges more heavily towards SPAM and I gave it up.
[4:45] <maicod> haha
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[4:45] <maicod> preditor:I hate that too. they seem to think all those home IP ranges are bad ppl
[4:45] <PReDiToR> MSFT zombies? Surely not lol
[4:46] <maicod> preditor: I need to use my ISP's smtp server cause my own is not accepted
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[4:47] <PReDiToR> I used to run a Celeron (the first type) with Win200 on as a server for a few people round the world that had NNTP, SMTP, POP, IRC, WWW and FTP. It was nice for a while.
[4:47] <PReDiToR> Win 2k I mean. I didn't have the missing link between 98SE and 2K lol
[4:47] <des2> many isps now block port 80
[4:47] <maicod> hehe I run a linux server for my own mail/www etc
[4:47] <des2> and SMTP
[4:48] <maicod> smtp ofc
[4:48] <PReDiToR> des2: I'm lucky enough to be on Virgin Media.
[4:48] <maicod> whatever a generic linux server is supposed to do :)
[4:48] <maicod> mine issues dhcp's too
[4:48] <maicod> for the home network
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[4:48] <PReDiToR> Virgin issues a very stable dhcp. over 2 years on this IP so far.
[4:49] <maicod> and it creates nasty email aliases for nasty sites that need a email for registration and later on bother you with spam
[4:49] <PReDiToR> spamgourmet
[4:49] <maicod> the cat food one ? :)
[4:49] <maicod> catspam
[4:49] <des2> same IP for 2 years ? Wow.
[4:50] <maicod> heh
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[4:50] <PReDiToR> Yeah. Virgin might have atrocious customer service in the event of fault or billing error, but their network (when working) is awesome.
[4:50] <des2> I used to have a static IP but I don't miss it because I like the semi-anonymity of dynamic that changes every so often
[4:50] <maicod> they seem to like giving out dynamic IPs staying quite static cause they want the FBI to be able to track ya :)
[4:50] <TheSeven> over here (germany) it's the other way round
[4:51] <maicod> oh
[4:51] <maicod> theseven: netherlands here
[4:51] <TheSeven> they won't give you static even if you want it because they want to ensure your privacy
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[4:51] <TheSeven> which can be really annoying because they forcibly disconnect you every 24h to change your ip
[4:51] <PReDiToR> There is no anonymity on the Internet. First rule of the Internet.
[4:51] <maicod> theseven: my ISP (UPC) doesnt change the IPs much anymore. I got the same one for ages
[4:51] <maicod> indeed
[4:51] <PReDiToR> What time was it posted? Who had that IP at that very second?
[4:51] <TheSeven> which can be incredibly annoying if you're working remotely, accessing something at home via vpn, or whatever
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[4:52] <maicod> theseven: dynamicdns ?
[4:52] <PReDiToR> TheSeven: Yeah, I'll just open up SSHd to the entire 86.* range, that will be secure =(
[4:52] <maicod> I mean sites that your server sends its new IP too so you can find it from outside
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[4:52] <maicod> by a name
[4:52] <Benighted> Hey all, is rpi-update hanging for anyone else?
[4:53] <maicod> nope
[4:53] <maicod> oh
[4:53] <PReDiToR> maicod: That's OK for SSHing _in_ but reverse DNS is good for checking incoming connections.
[4:53] <maicod> right now
[4:53] <maicod> ok preditor I was meaning ssh indeed
[4:53] <TheSeven> maicod: well the disconnects are still annoying, of course I have dyndns
[4:53] <maicod> ok I agree its annoying
[4:54] <maicod> cats are fighting outside
[4:54] <maicod> I hear them
[4:54] <PReDiToR> Bring on IPv6. You can have an RFiD chip in your wrist with your own IP addy and use it everywhere you go!
[4:54] <TheSeven> they started adding functions to routers to automatically disconnect briefly during the night to get that 24h reconnect out of the way
[4:54] <TheSeven> will happen to me in ~7 minutes
[4:54] <PReDiToR> maicod: That ain't fighting ;)
[4:54] <Dagger2> that's not actually how IPv6 works, but hey
[4:54] <maicod> heh
[4:54] <maicod> you know what I hate
[4:54] <TheSeven> hm... is the bootrom of the pi picky about the location of the fat partition?
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[4:55] <TheSeven> does it need to start at sector 63 or 2048?
[4:55] <maicod> that every registration asks for your google or facebook email so it can send you nice spam
[4:55] <TheSeven> it doesn't like one starting at sector 1 it seems
[4:55] <maicod> and track you for commercial reasons
[4:55] <PReDiToR> Dagger2: No, but wouldn't it help with ID and medical records?
[4:55] <TheSeven> or maybe it's fat12 and it doesn't like that
[4:55] <Benighted> cat fight? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnXh3XR9zyM
[4:56] <maicod> Benighted sorry its boring
[4:57] <atouk> didn't make it past the commercial
[4:57] <maicod> heheeh atouk you killed it :)
[4:57] <Dagger2> may as well just use a random 128-bit id rather than a v6 address; most people won't have their own v6 allocation (and even if they do it won't follow them around wherever they go)
[4:57] <PReDiToR> I never let any site, phone or app use my gmail, FB, Twitter or any other service. It really messes up my address book.
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[4:58] <maicod> I hate these so called 'easy registrations' by using your facebook/twitter/google details
[4:58] <maicod> it all combines it
[4:58] <maicod> that sucks
[4:59] <Benighted> I am anti-social media
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[5:00] <PReDiToR> I'm not. I'manti-integration
[5:00] <Benighted> never had a fb, myspace, twitter, never will
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[5:00] <PReDiToR> FB has its place. Only people you know in RW should be on your FB. Everyone else is FBI.
[5:00] <des2> I don't have them either.
[5:00] <Benighted> integration sucks too, homogenized
[5:01] <Benighted> I heard Virgin has a bank now, I threw up a little
[5:01] <maicod> sir ...... branson
[5:01] <PReDiToR> I heard Felix weed all over Branson's attempt to play "balloons" - That was a good video.
[5:02] <des2> Yes one login/password for everything, make it easy for hackers to use the least common denominator.
[5:02] <maicod> yeah stupid
[5:02] <PReDiToR> des2: +1
[5:02] <maicod> heh
[5:02] <maicod> guys i'm going off
[5:02] <maicod> laterz !
[5:02] <PReDiToR> ttfn
[5:02] <Benighted> adios
[5:03] <maicod> ttfn is that something nice ? :)
[5:03] <maicod> never seen that one
[5:03] <des2> Adios
[5:03] <maicod> we say : tot ziens :)
[5:03] <home> wow
[5:03] <PReDiToR> Ta Ta For Now
[5:03] <maicod> tata too
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[5:04] <des2> Bodacious Ta Tas...
[5:04] <PReDiToR> Station's most bodacious creatons; the most historical babes ever seen.
[5:04] <Benighted> weird, running rpi-update and set my var folder's 'date modified' to dec 31 1969
[5:05] <des2> That the beginning of Unix time.
[5:05] <PReDiToR> I hope I'm alive in 2038.
[5:06] <des2> implying something timestamped '0'
[5:06] <Benighted> what happens then preditor?
[5:06] <PReDiToR> Hey kids, remember the Y2Kbug? TOLD YOU SO!
[5:06] <des2> Unix time overflow.
[5:07] <Benighted> des2 I wish I could use -v switch on rpi-update, don't know what it's doing
[5:07] <PReDiToR> It's the day MSFT find out that the world actually runs on UNIX, not Windows =)
[5:07] <des2> If you see Hexxeh here you can suggest changes to him
[5:08] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
[5:08] <PReDiToR> edit the `rpi-update` and add `echo "doing this now"` statements to it.
[5:11] <atouk> "do it now" never works unless it's in arnold voice
[5:11] <home> atouk: what?
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[5:15] <AC`97> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ALySsPXt0
[5:19] <Benighted> hah check out the rave one
[5:19] <Benighted> mulletastic
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[6:40] <echelon> hi, i got a motorola lapdock for 50 bucks :)
[6:41] <echelon> the seller obviously wasn't aware of the current market value
[6:41] <echelon> anyway
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[6:43] <echelon> the microusb power source for the model A also has data capabilities?
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[6:50] <echelon> does anyone even talk in here?
[6:51] <__machine> can you also power your RPi through the regular USB ports? I connected a powered hub to the regular usb port and the lights came on the RPi board?
[6:52] <piney0> echelon, no data capabilities on the micro usb port
[6:52] <echelon> why not
[6:52] <echelon> what a waste
[6:53] <piney0> __machine, that is a design flaw in the powered hub, but it works
[6:56] <piney0> echelon, it's a $35 computer designed as an educational platform with a price point, why would it need that?
[6:57] <des2> Yes machine.
[6:57] <des2> On the PIs without Polyfuses on the USB ports you can backfeed power.
[6:59] <wiley> on the wiki page about low level peripherals, I see references to both UART0 and UART1, but they seem to be routed to the same pins
[6:59] <wiley> what's up with that?
[6:59] <Gumby> is there any serial number or anything like that which can be found doing something like lshw or dmidecode on a RPi?
[6:59] <Gumby> basically to uniquely identify each RPi
[7:00] <des2> There is a serial #
[7:00] <rikkib> RPi serial # is in /proc/cpuinfo I think
[7:00] <des2> cat cpuinfo
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[7:00] <Gumby> cool thanks
[7:01] <__machine> piney0: actually, it wasnt a powered hub... it was a Y usb cable... one end goes to the device (tv tuner), other to the pi direct, and third to a usb power source... and that powers the RPi?
[7:02] <piney0> __machine, that should be fine as long as there is sufficient current to power the pi and the other device if that device draws off of usb
[7:03] <des2> wiley: http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs
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[7:03] <piney0> lack of power is really the only constraint
[7:06] <[7]> and as long as the pi doesn't have polyfuses
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[7:10] <__machine> just ordered a 7" hdmi/dvi/vga monitor for my rpi and headless server... yay!
[7:12] <des2> If it's a headless server why does it have a display ?
[7:12] <piney0> won't that make it headed?
[7:13] <__machine> it will be headed only when i need to change bios settings or reinstall the OS...
[7:13] * rikkib is measuring things. My STM32V board draws 170mA @5v
[7:13] <__machine> otherwise, it will be on the rpi
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[7:32] <Milos> I've asked this before but I didn't understand what I was told - can I hotswap the raspberry pi power from the GPIO pins to USB? There will be a short time while they are both connected, but is this harmful?
[7:32] <Milos> I was told something like it would be have similarly to a circuit in parallel.
[7:32] <Milos> I think.
[7:32] <des2> You can.
[7:32] <Milos> :D
[7:33] <des2> You will have 2 voltage sources in parallel through a small resistor
[7:33] <des2> (polyfuse)
[7:33] <Milos> Cool.
[7:33] <des2> This will cause current to flow from one supply to another.
[7:33] <des2> The amount depending onthe voltage difference.
[7:33] <Milos> Yep.
[7:34] <des2> When you do something like that it's a good idea to have some way to prevent/reduce back current.
[7:34] <des2> And to match the voltage sources as close as possible in voltage.
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[7:36] <Milos> Ok thanks a lot for the tips
[7:36] <Milos> :)
[7:36] <des2> Ofen the best way to do this is to have a capacitor on the input and just switch very quickly between the sources.
[7:36] <Milos> A diode would stop back-current, right?
[7:36] <Milos> But really I don't think it's a big deal if I have it connected for one second.
[7:36] <Milos> They're both 5V sources anyway.
[7:37] <Milos> Like, +- 0.02
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[7:38] <des2> You can use something like a low dropout shotkey diode to protect both supplies fromback voltage.
[7:39] <des2> http://www.robotroom.com/Weather-Station/Schematic-solar-panel-circuit-with-battery-backup.gif
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[7:39] <des2> There's an example of 2 supplies protected by 2 shotkey diodes.
[7:41] <des2> A shottkey diode can have a dropout of only .2 volts.
[7:41] <des2> Which it makes ideal for such uses.
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[7:47] <Milos> des2, thanks a lot :)
[7:47] <Milos> I will put it on the todo list.
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[7:59] <Danon> Hey
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[8:02] <Danon> i have my raspberry pi connected to an old tv through the composite connection and im trying to play a movie that is 1080p but omxplay is not letting me. the command I use works fine if I have it plugged in via hdmi but not composite
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[8:05] <des2> Composite is lucky to do 525
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[8:05] <nesdude> Good morning all!
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[8:07] <Danon> exactly, so how do i play this 1080p video on the composite then?
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[8:08] <DeliriumTremens> /can/ you play 1080p via composit?
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[8:08] <DeliriumTremens> is it even possible?
[8:09] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[8:09] <OutOfControl> Hello, I'm just wondering if anyone knows how to get the RPi into the element14 case?
[8:09] <des2> What's the problem OutOfControl ?
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[8:10] <des2> sdtv_mode=0 Normal NTSC
[8:10] <OutOfControl> des2: I just got my case, and absolutely no idea how to open it.
[8:10] <des2> sdtv_aspect=1 4:3
[8:10] <des2> ah
[8:11] <Jck_true> OutOfControl: Break thelabel at the bottom and lift the front out
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[8:13] <OutOfControl> Jck_true: what side, the one with the ethernet hole or the other?
[8:13] <Jck_true> OutOfControl: Ohhh sorry... I misunderstood you - i thought you were talking about the cardboardbox :D
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[8:14] <OutOfControl> Ah :)
[8:14] <des2> http://au.element14.com/multicomp/mc-rp001-clr/enclosure-raspberry-pi-clear/dp/211379901
[8:14] <des2> Is that what you have ?
[8:14] <Danon> I have my raspberry pi connected to a usb hub that is powered by an external 5v 3A supply. The hub has a usb wifi dongle plugged into it. When the Raspberry pi is conected to the tv via HDMI the usb wifi dongle works but when it is connected via the composite and not hdmi the usb wifi dongole does not work.... what is going on?
[8:15] <Jck_true> Danon: MAde sure you got the latest firmware?
[8:15] <OutOfControl> Des2 Yep.
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[8:16] <Jck_true> OutOfControl: I was a bit confused :P Not really rocket science opening a card box... :D
[8:16] <des2> It appears the cover latches on with projections on the bottom
[8:16] <des2> As the case is in 2 pieces.
[8:16] <OutOfControl> Jck_true Yeah, I opened the box in about half a second, this case though is strange...
[8:17] <Danon> I dowanloaded wheezy yesterday straight from the website, I assume it would have the latest firmware within that?
[8:17] <OutOfControl> Des2 Mmm, Okies. Thanks.
[8:17] <Jck_true> Danon: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update
[8:17] <Danon> ill do rpi update
[8:17] <des2> looks like there are 4 spots where the top overlaps and clicks in
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[8:20] <Danon> you meant sudo apt-get upgrade right?
[8:20] <Jck_true> LOL yeah :|
[8:21] <Jck_true> And I thought it was mondays that were supposed to be bad
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[8:41] <Milos> What would actually happen if I ran a pi off 6V?
[8:41] <Milos> In fact I did that once, and it was fine.
[8:41] <Milos> Does it just lower the lifetime?
[8:41] <des2> Well where is the 5v in passed to ?
[8:41] <Milos> GPIO pin
[8:42] <des2> The PI itself runs off 3.3v dropped by a regujlator.
[8:42] <Milos> So it would just get hot?
[8:42] <des2> And another regulator drops the voltage further.
[8:42] <des2> USB ports need the 5V.
[8:42] <Milos> So there's really no need for the "4.75 - 5.25V" thing everyone's so precise about
[8:42] <Milos> ah
[8:43] <Milos> and if I gave it 6V, then the USB would get 6V?
[8:43] <des2> Yes the USB would get 6 since that is passed through (after the poly fuse)
[8:43] <des2> I'm not sure what else gets the 5volts passed to.
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[8:44] <des2> We have to look at the schematics.
[8:44] <Milos> Ah.
[8:44] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
[8:44] <Gumby> ok now class, everyone take out your Pi
[8:45] <Gumby> hehe, imagine that.....
[8:45] <Milos> yeah not entirely fun
[8:45] <des2> the PI has 2 voltage regulators all hooked up to the '5v' input
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[8:46] <Milos> which 5V input, the GPIO one?
[8:46] <des2> 3.3, 2.5, 1.8
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[8:47] <des2> The GPIO is connected to the same 5V on the input adter it passes through the polyfuse on the USB power in
[8:47] <Milos> aha
[8:48] <des2> HDMI is getting 5V also.
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[8:48] <des2> (on pin 18)
[8:49] <des2> and 2 HDMI pins are pulled up to 5V through a resister from the Brodacom chip
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[8:50] <Milos> so if I feed the raspberry pi 6V, then?
[8:51] <des2> 5 Pins on the BCM2835 are also tied to 5V, we have to investigate why
[8:52] <des2> A13,14,15 B13,14
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[8:54] <des2> SO it's USB, HDMI and those 5 pins on the Brodcom CHip that apparently use 5V directly.
[8:55] <Milos> and by 5V you mean "input voltage"
[8:55] <Milos> since it's not necessarily 5V, if I feed it 6V
[8:55] <des2> RIght
[8:55] <des2> It's labeled '5V' on the schematic
[8:55] <des2> but it means the nominal 5V input
[8:56] <Milos> yup cool
[8:57] <des2> Trying to find out what those 5pins on the BCM2835 are.
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[9:06] <des2> Still searching but I'd find a way to drop the 6v to 5v.
[9:06] <des2> Either using a zener diode.
[9:06] <des2> Or a very low dropout regulator.
[9:07] <des2> Even just a diode in series would work.
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[9:22] <gordonDrogon> morning..
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[9:22] <gordonDrogon> silicon diode in series (0.7v) would be my choice.
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> why do you havea 6v psu though? last time I sued 6v it was for valve heaters...
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[9:24] <des2> Battery ?
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[9:27] <gordonDrogon> oh those old things ;-)
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[9:28] <gordonDrogon> I was looking at a 3.7v LiPo recently coupled to this: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/lipower-boost-converter-p-832.html
[9:29] <des2> Input voltage 0.3-5.5V
[9:29] <des2> Pretty wide range
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[9:29] <gordonDrogon> that claims up to 600mA at 5v - more than enough for a mobile Pi not using ethernet.
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[9:31] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/polymer-lithium-ion-battery-6ah-p-1050.html
[9:31] <des2> http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/?tag=tps61200
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[9:32] <bircoe> http://www.electronics-lab.com/blog/?p=5002
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> yea, but you won't get many mA from a single AA though.
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[9:32] <bircoe> that is a decent amount of current from a step up convetor
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> hm. breakfast time ...
[9:33] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, no but think about running multiple D cells in paralell!
[9:33] <bircoe> that's some serious run time
[9:33] <bircoe> nimh D's anyway
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[9:35] <des2> This is for Milos: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__15212__HobbyKing_Micro_UBEC_3A_5v.html
[9:36] <Milos> des2, I already have it :)
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[9:36] <Milos> des2, I want more output, preferably something like 5.4V which will hopefully give me 5.2V on TP1 and TP2.
[9:36] <bircoe> is ebay broken for anyone else at the moment?
[9:37] <Milos> I'm experiencing my 3G dongle disconnecting from USB every few days (the kernel treats it as a physical disconnect, but I know it isn't and it has nothing to do with the USB cable connection)
[9:37] <bircoe> the .com.au site fails to load at all and the .com site is only partilly loading...
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[9:38] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: ebay.com.au is loading fine here
[9:38] <Milos> And I'm leading myself to believe that it happens when there is a sudden surge in current for the 3G dongle to transmit, which occurs when it tries to transmit to a far tower. So I am assuming that when this happens, the voltage drops significantly and causes the device to die.
[9:38] <des2> .com works fine for me
[9:38] <bircoe> thanks
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[9:38] <bircoe> must be ISP related
[9:38] <des2> Milos I wonder if additional capacitors at the USB would help
[9:39] <des2> there's a 47uF there now.
[9:39] <Milos> des2, that's also a good idea.
[9:39] <des2> There's a lot of people haveing PIs reset when they plug in USB devices.
[9:39] <bircoe> Milos, having been through a huge amount of learning and diagnosis lately with Sierra 320U 3G/4G modems I can tell you they are quite capable of resetting themselves (also the network can initiate resets) looking for all the world to the host like a physical disconnect
[9:39] <des2> But that work fine after reboot.
[9:39] <Milos> bircoe, it's not quite the pi resetting, but the USB device.
[9:39] <bircoe> I'm not talking about the Pi
[9:40] <bircoe> I'm talking abotu the modem
[9:40] <rikkib> stm32flash works on my RPi... Allows me to program my stm32v boards.
[9:40] <Milos> bircoe, thank the Lord, then. I'm glad someone else can sympathise.
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[9:40] <bircoe> if you have a serial session open on a modems AT port and issue a AT!RESET, the modem reboots, the OS thinks the modem ha sbeen disconnected and reconnected as a result
[9:41] <Milos> I see.
[9:41] <Milos> Well pppd certainly wouldn't send AT+RESET.
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[9:41] <Milos> I just assume the device is dying for another reason, but what we are both agreeing is that it isn't a physical disconnect.
[9:41] <bircoe> no but there can be things like carrier resets
[9:42] <bircoe> or if the 5v rail dips too low it may just reset itself as well
[9:42] <Milos> Yeah, but having used 3G dongles in every other machine for weeks without seeing this I know it's related to this specific case only.
[9:42] <Milos> I reckon it has to be the voltage.
[9:42] <Milos> That's the only thing left on my list.
[9:42] <Milos> So I need to either increase my input voltage or add some kind of capacitor.
[9:42] <Milos> Or both.
[9:42] <bircoe> if you have a multimeter with data logging you could always record the 5v rail and check the min and max after a reset happens
[9:43] <Milos> I don't have data logging sadly but I have watched the TP1/TP2 values sway around while the 3G dongle is busy.
[9:43] <des2> With an atod connected to the PI it can log it's own voltage.
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[9:43] <bircoe> I'll place money on it being the fault of the USB cable :)
[9:43] <Milos> If I cover the dongle with my hand, the voltage drops further, because it's trying to use more power to transmit. I assume in some cases it may just use more power to transmit on its own and that's why.
[9:44] <Milos> I've had this problem for about 4 months, and I have tried probably 302 different USB cables.
[9:44] <Milos> They all do it.
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[9:44] <bircoe> some modems are pretty power hungry, one of our previous models that we used at work came with one of those twin USB cable for extra power!
[9:44] <des2> Milos you don't have the USB polyfuses on your pi, right ?
[9:44] <Milos> des2, right. When I do, then it won't work at all.
[9:45] <des2> ok
[9:45] <bircoe> Milos do you mean USB cable between the Pi and PSU?
[9:45] <bircoe> or Pi and Modem?
[9:45] <Milos> bircoe, all of my K3805-z dongles come with the dual power ones. I've used them a lot. It still happens, because my power supply fails to constantly supply 5+V.
[9:45] <Milos> bircoe, both.
[9:46] <bircoe> it could also be something to do with the Pi itself, I've seen a few people complainging of USB drives that disconnect
[9:46] <Milos> I have 4 pis.
[9:46] <bircoe> for no apprent reason
[9:46] <Milos> but yes
[9:46] <Milos> it could be a design thing
[9:46] <Milos> and/or driver issue
[9:46] <Milos> I'm waiting for them to write better USB drivers.
[9:46] <Milos> The "FIQ" fix is really just a workaround.
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[9:47] <Milos> The end result is I need to rule out my power supply as being at fault. So I need to ensure I am constantly supplying let's say 5.2V to the pi no matter what the load might be.
[9:47] <Milos> What kind of capacitor could I use at the power supply end to ensure this?
[9:48] <bircoe> I did a barrel jack mod on one of my Pi's and the voltage at the test points is much more stable then with a USB cable.
[9:49] <Milos> well at the moment I'm not using a USB cable but powering from the GPIO ports and using a 12V->5V step-down, except I'm getting 5V with no load.
[9:49] <bircoe> and higher
[9:49] <Milos> When I add a load it drops, and when the 3G dongle begins to be used, even more.
[9:49] <bircoe> how far does it drop?
[9:50] <Milos> It goes under the lower limit 4.70V at times, 4.75V at times, 4.8V at times, depending on whatever factors
[9:50] <Milos> I'm assuming it only takes one stuff-up to cause it to disconnect
[9:50] <Milos> so I want to rule it out once-and-for-all, by making sure the testpoints always show more than 5V.
[9:50] <bircoe> yeah that's getting kinda low
[9:50] <bircoe> using that BEC linked earlier?
[9:51] <Milos> I also tried:
[9:51] <Milos> http://www.ebay.com/itm/260726047066?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[9:51] <Milos> one of http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hobbywing-5V-6V-3A-Switch-Mode-Ultimate-BEC-UBEC-/121003933795?pt=US_Character_Radio_Control_Toys&hash=item1c2c658063
[9:52] <Milos> one of http://www.ebay.com/itm/HENGE-4A-2-6S-Input-Switch-Mode-UBEC-/150642514923?pt=US_Character_Radio_Control_Toys&hash=item2312fe5beb
[9:52] <bircoe> The DC barrel jack modded Pi is running off 5v 3a plug pack i get the following voltages:
[9:52] <Milos> they all do the same thing so "5V" regulators are ount of the question
[9:52] <bircoe> no load 5.16
[9:52] <Milos> I want 5.5V regulators.
[9:52] <Milos> aha
[9:52] <des2> Get an LM\317K
[9:52] <bircoe> load 5.16
[9:52] <bircoe> Idle 5.18
[9:52] <Milos> o_O
[9:52] <bircoe> no load is actually 5.22 sorry
[9:52] <des2> Feed it with 9 Volts.
[9:52] <Milos> that sounds great
[9:53] <bircoe> 317K... isn't that the T03 version?
[9:53] <Milos> des2, I've only got a 12V battery
[9:53] <des2> Set it to 5.25volt no load.
[9:53] <des2> Yes.
[9:53] <bircoe> heh
[9:53] <bircoe> tad overkill
[9:53] <bircoe> better have a big heatsink!
[9:53] <des2> IIndeed.
[9:53] <Milos> if it's inefficient, linear etc then I don't even want to try it
[9:54] <Milos> I need something that's efficient and won't need a heatsink for 12V
[9:54] <Milos> so I got this:
[9:54] <des2> There are lots of switching things you can buy that let you adjust output.
[9:54] <Milos> http://www.ebay.com/itm/140865717275?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[9:54] <bircoe> I mad a variable load using a T03 2N3055 and at 4amps it sure gets hot!!! with a smallish heatsink in the region of 70 degrees C
[9:54] <Milos> it lets me choose the output voltage
[9:54] <Milos> and has synchronous rectification
[9:54] <Milos> so I assume it's not lying when it says 96% efficient
[9:54] <Milos> but we'll see
[9:54] <Milos> it's currently shipping
[9:54] <Milos> hopefully it won't disappoint me
[9:54] <bircoe> 96 might be a stretch :)
[9:54] <bircoe> probably closer to 90%
[9:55] <Milos> well, we can find out
[9:55] <Milos> 90% is probably better than the LMs
[9:55] <bircoe> by a mile!
[9:55] <bircoe> well
[9:55] <des2> Oh yes.
[9:55] <Milos> :)
[9:55] <bircoe> unless your referring to the switch LM's!!
[9:55] <Milos> I looked at the LM2596(s)
[9:55] <bircoe> like 2935 or what ever they are
[9:55] <Milos> it's quite efficient, but not at 12V in 5V out
[9:55] <Milos> graphs show about 80%
[9:55] <Milos> on the ti.com site
[9:56] <Milos> it's not "bad" but it's still a waste
[9:56] <bircoe> 80% is still respectable
[9:57] <Milos> well, I'll be able to compare
[9:57] <Milos> as I ordered LM2596 as well
[9:57] <Milos> I basically ordered everything because I got so annoyed at this
[9:57] <Milos> so I'm just going to buy 20 things and find out which one is best
[9:57] <bircoe> heh
[9:57] <bircoe> fair call
[9:57] <bircoe> I'm keen to try some of these
[9:57] <bircoe> http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&vendor=811&mpart=OKI-78SR-5%2F1.5-W36-C&cur=USD
[9:57] <Milos> spending 4 months diagnosing something when it's hindering my ability to innovate and make cool things
[9:58] <Milos> I can't communicate with my pi unless the 3G is stable
[9:58] <bircoe> switching 3 pin regs that are pin compatible with 78xx's
[9:58] <Milos> :O
[9:59] <bircoe> you know places like sparkfun have gsm boards that can talk via serial?
[9:59] <Milos> GSM, like 2G?
[9:59] <Milos> like super slow?
[9:59] <bircoe> I'm sure someone does 3g and 4g
[9:59] <Milos> but the interface speed will limit it
[10:00] <bircoe> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9607
[10:00] <Milos> lol
[10:00] <Milos> does that say $100
[10:01] <bircoe> what sort of data does it need to transfer?
[10:01] <Milos> images
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[10:01] <bircoe> yes :P but theres cheaper places than sparkfun
[10:01] <Milos> it's going to be for an RC quadcopter, at least one of the ideas
[10:02] <bircoe> i just use them s examples as they seem to have everything
[10:02] <Milos> haha yeah
[10:02] <bircoe> you hardly need 3g speed for that :P
[10:02] <Milos> this was my first attempt http://www.milos.ivanovic.co.nz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/pi-gps.jpg
[10:02] <Milos> and then it started crapping up, turns out it was my massive black battery there
[10:03] <bircoe> considered the long rang xbee's?
[10:03] <Milos> that was with my old pi
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[10:03] <Milos> the one with the polyfuses and crap
[10:03] <Milos> so I had to use the white dual power thing
[10:03] <Milos> I don't know what xbees are
[10:03] <bircoe> go Vodafail!
[10:03] <bircoe> 2.4ghz rf transcievers
[10:04] <bircoe> some of them have stupid long ranges measured in miles
[10:04] <Milos> well
[10:04] <Milos> while that is fun, I still would like to get this working over the Internet
[10:04] <Milos> as that has many many benefits
[10:04] <bircoe> fair nuts
[10:04] <bircoe> planning on sending video over internet aswell or just control?
[10:05] <Milos> eventually
[10:05] <Milos> it's cool because the latency is only about 100ms
[10:05] <Milos> it's totally bearable
[10:05] <bircoe> 100ms is huge when your talking remote control :P
[10:05] <Milos> yeah but it won't be at high speeds
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[10:05] <Milos> plus that's what makes this challenging
[10:06] <bircoe> you sound like me... does things the hardway :)
[10:06] <bircoe> cos the easy way is no fun
[10:06] <Milos> nice to meet you me :)
[10:06] <Milos> yup
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[10:06] <bircoe> I ordered some of these:
[10:06] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/140779718200?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[10:07] * Milos clicks
[10:07] <bircoe> but 6 weeks later they haven't arrived yet
[10:07] <Milos> Unfortunately, access to this particular item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in some countries. We are blocking your viewing in an effort to prevent restricted items from being displayed. Regrettably, in some cases, we may prevent users from accessing items that are not within the scope of said restrictions because of limitations of existing technology. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause, and we ho
[10:07] <Milos> pe you may find other items of interest on eBay.
[10:07] <bircoe> gunna ask for my money back i think
[10:07] <bircoe> haha
[10:07] <Milos> works when I made it .com
[10:07] <Milos> are you in australia? I'm in New Zealand
[10:07] <bircoe> yeah
[10:07] <Milos> howdy neighbour
[10:07] <bircoe> never been there yet, plannign on going soon
[10:07] <bircoe> howdy :)
[10:07] <Milos> :D
[10:08] <Milos> yeah that thing
[10:08] <Milos> I got 10 pcs
[10:08] <des2> Yeah I bought one of those LM2596 things.
[10:08] <Milos> they were like $1 each
[10:08] <Milos> they're shipping
[10:08] <Milos> des2, how good are they?
[10:08] <des2> I haven't used it yet.
[10:08] <Milos> :(
[10:08] <des2> Bought it cause it was irresistibly priced.
[10:08] <Milos> yeah
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[10:09] <bircoe> get one of these to build a bench top supply out of a spare computer PSU:
[10:09] <bircoe> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9774
[10:09] <bircoe> they rock!
[10:09] <bircoe> pain to put together but rock none the less
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[10:10] <Milos> :O
[10:10] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[10:10] <bircoe> afternoon
[10:10] <bircoe> or evening seens it's after 7...
[10:10] <Milos> evening
[10:11] <des2> Morning.
[10:11] <bircoe> I bought some cheap short 50cm HDMI cables off ebay a while back, arrived today and I had to face palm...
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[10:11] <bircoe> I ordered HDMI to Mini HDMI cables :/
[10:12] <Milos> lol
[10:13] <bircoe> useless!
[10:13] <Milos> now buy a mini to maxi!
[10:13] <CelticTurnip> :)
[10:13] <bircoe> cost more than just buying the right cables :/
[10:13] <Milos> LOL
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[10:14] <bircoe> meanwhile the ad said suitable for PS3.... since when did PS3's have Mini HDMI?
[10:14] <CelticTurnip> it's for those new mini tvs :P
[10:15] <bircoe> ahhhh
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[10:15] <bircoe> and I guess it's not a total waste, just checked my Canon 650D and it has MiniHDMI
[10:16] <Milos> omg
[10:17] <bircoe> ?
[10:17] <Milos> I bought a Canon 60D with a 20-200mm lens or something but it's been on back-order for the last month or so
[10:17] <Milos> such a turn-off
[10:17] <bircoe> lol
[10:17] <bircoe> nice choice tho
[10:17] <Milos> yeah it took a lot of consideration
[10:18] <Milos> I'm new to SLRs and stuff, but I ended up going 60D
[10:18] <Peetz0r> my tablet has mini-hdmi (or was it micro-hdmi?)
[10:18] <Milos> there's a mini?
[10:19] <bircoe> yeap and Micro
[10:19] <bircoe> my ASUS Transformer has Micro
[10:19] <Peetz0r> lemme check my dx.com order history. I got my adapter from there :p
[10:20] <bircoe> I want my products in the same year I order them :P
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[10:20] <Peetz0r> There it is: http://dx.com/p/58158
[10:21] <bircoe> tthats cheap
[10:21] <Peetz0r> it is :)
[10:21] <Peetz0r> dx.com
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[10:21] <Peetz0r> and yes, free shipping, no catch :)
[10:21] <bircoe> bought stuff from them before... took nearly 8 weeks to arrive!
[10:22] <Peetz0r> yeah, it takes a while, maybe that's the catch
[10:22] <Peetz0r> but you know that now
[10:22] <Peetz0r> usually a month for me
[10:22] <Peetz0r> sometimes shorter, sometimes longer
[10:22] <Peetz0r> one of my orders catched up with another last time
[10:23] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1m-HDMI-Cable-v1-4-3D-Full-HD-1080p-Digital-/230834002427?pt=AU_Electronics_Accessories_Wires_Cables&hash=item35bec759fb#ht_1197wt_1168
[10:23] <Peetz0r> ordered something on 09-09, has not yet arrives, ordered something at 05-10, arrived last week
[10:24] <bircoe> thats a mighty thin HDMI cable for have 19 conductors!
[10:25] <Peetz0r> here's a monitor I ordered for my Pi: http://dx.com/p/49796
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> speaking of power supplies, I actually fancy making up a USB power hub - just power though.... so I can power 2 or 3 Pi's at once, charge stuff, etc.
[10:26] <Peetz0r> gordonDrogon: not a bad idea :)
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> $22 rom dx? that's a bit much, isn't it?
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> or is it... hm..
[10:26] <Peetz0r> gordonDrogon: it's a complete lcd screen with case and everything
[10:27] <Peetz0r> less than ???20 is not much :)
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Ah, maybe it's the going rate as: https://www.adafruit.com/products/913 is $44 without case, etc.
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> I got a refurbished 17" 720p TV for my workbench - it's actually very good - 1366 x 768.
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> or 1336 or whatever that magic number is...
[10:28] <BurtyB> 1337 would be a more magic number ;)
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> heh - 1366 pixels though!
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[10:30] <Peetz0r> same resolution as my 15" laptop
[10:31] <Peetz0r> yes, that adafruit lcd is indeed very much like the dx.com one, same connection :)
[10:32] <japro> i have a dead laptop and was wondering if there is a way to abuse the display of that
[10:33] <japro> but i guess those have custom connectors or os?
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[10:36] <Peetz0r> japro: laptop displays are not easy to recycle, but it might be possible somehow
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[10:36] <Peetz0r> maybe you can find specs for the connector somewhere in the service manual of your laptop
[10:36] <des2> In general laptop LCDs are more trouble than they are worth.
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[10:39] <bagpuss_thecat> LCD panels aren't too bad. Just look for an LVDS board
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[10:40] <bagpuss_thecat> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Driver-Board-17-19-22-LCD-LVDS-DC-VGA-LCD-Cable-/150853139552?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1907521102738334222%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26 <-- like that
[10:40] <bagpuss_thecat> invariably the supplier will want to know what make of panel you have so he can send you the right cable to plug into it
[10:41] <des2> Good price.
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[10:43] <gordonDrogon> so that board takes VGA input and produces lvds output ...
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> almost good enough for the Pi - but I guess what's really needed is the hdmi to lvds, or compost to lvds...
[10:47] <des2> Geh 'compost' describes the video quality
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> indeed!
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> actually, I think it's quite a good signal from the Pi though - compared to olden days of bbc micros in 80 column mode..
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg is a Pi in 640x480 mode on an old monitor - the display does appear slightly better than my BBC Micro displays..
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[10:54] <des2> Yes thats pretty good for small font
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[11:03] <Draylor> old ... hah
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[11:07] <Draylor> that poor thing is bordering on being an antique
[11:07] <Draylor> still, looks like a fun test setup, pi driving an arduino?
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[11:18] <gordonDrogon> yes, Pi talking to arduino...
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> there's a tiny sort of remote control program running in the arduino and the pi just send commands to do the same functions remotely - digitalRead/write, etc.
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> all over the serial line.
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> one of these days I'll expand on it, but: https://projects.drogon.net/drogon-remote-control/
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> The pi in that picture is actually running a program written in BASIC - I added the remote control functions into my basic interpreter - so yo use the same function to talk to the on-board GPIO or remote GPIO.
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> it's quite clever/sane - at least I think so ;-)
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> basic makes doing the graphcs really easy too.
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[11:26] <gazzwi86> you know the first config screen you get when you first boot your pi
[11:26] <gazzwi86> how do i get back to that after I've configured?
[11:28] <silly_> hey, how do i get wifi running on arch, without ethernet? iwconfig wifi-tools, nmcli etc is not included on the iso..
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[11:28] <aaa801> Wheres a good place to get project boxs?
[11:29] <des2> What country ?
[11:32] <silly_> no idea?
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[11:35] <silly_> does raspbian come with wlan packages? should i swich to that build?
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> silly_, install raspbian ...
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> silly_, I'm fairly sure it does, but I don't use them myself.
[11:35] <higuita> gazzwi86: raspconfig, rpiconfig or something like that
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[11:36] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, maplins have a small range.
[11:36] <silly_> ok then, just wanted to use arch because i'm familiar with the init system.
[11:36] <des2> Arch is fine
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[11:36] <aaa801> gordonDrogon i got my pi running on batterys
[11:36] <aaa801> :3
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, http://www.maplin.co.uk/components/enclosures
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, what regulator are you using?
[11:37] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280963026967?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, looks ok - you using LiPos ?
[11:39] <aaa801> ye a li-po
[11:39] <aaa801> well not raw
[11:39] <aaa801> its one of those 12v cctv things
[11:39] <yang> are 512 mb systemd available for purchase and from where for a quick delivery
[11:39] <aaa801> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250919245956?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[11:39] <aaa801> farnell
[11:40] <yang> what is estimated queue at this time
[11:40] <aaa801> not too long i dont think
[11:40] <aaa801> farnell has quite quick dispatch
[11:40] <aaa801> its been known to be next day sometimes :)
[11:40] <yang> 1 month or less
[11:40] <aaa801> ye
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[11:41] <Sv> hi
[11:41] <des2> Farnell is manufacturing in the UK.
[11:42] <des2> (80,000 units/month)
[11:42] <des2> So you don't have to wait for a slow boat from China.
[11:42] <gazzwi86> higuita: raspi-config thanks
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[11:48] <silly_> whats the point in battery powering it, without a display?
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[11:49] <bircoe> you don't need to have a display on a computer for it to be useful...
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> isn't more correct to say that Sony is manufacturing in the UK and selling to both Farnell and RS ..
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> wonder how the foundtion persuaded Farnell & RS to buy from sony rather than from their own .cn manufacturing plants...
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> I suspect there is some good clauses in their license to buy/use the design though.
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> and a big wodge of market demand too!
[11:52] <des2> It's only Farnell that has the deal with Sony.
[11:52] <des2> Which is why people can get PIs so fast from them and RS is so slow.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> are you sure?
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> thought I read on the forums and here that people had RS ones made in the UK too..
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> hm. let me see if I can find the postings...
[11:54] <Draylor> yeah, thats what i thought id read - that all were now being made in teh UK
[11:54] <des2> Wouldn't be the first time I was behind the flux.
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[11:54] <des2> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/06/raspberry-pi-made-in-the-uk-by-sony/
[11:55] <des2> But it was initially Farnell only.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> yea, I'm sure RS were probably just clearing their last ship-load from .cn before switching.
[11:56] <des2> By contrast, the second main Raspberry Pi distributor, Element 14/Premier Farnell, promises delivery two weeks after ordering. This is in part because it does its manufacturing in a Sony facility in Pencoed, South Wales, rather than China, the company said.
[11:56] <M0RBD> should it say "a wnaed yng nghymru " on them!
[11:56] <M0RBD> :P
[11:56] <des2> RS Components, which works with Chinese manufacturing partners to build its Raspberry Pis, is warning new customers that the device won't be dispatched for six weeks. It puts the hold-up down to problems getting hold of the Broadcom BCM2835 chip at the heart of the credit card-sized computer, as well as the levels of demand.
[11:57] <hermanhermitage> Element14 in australia are delivering them within 24 hours
[11:57] <des2> http://www.zdnet.com/raspberry-pi-delivery-delays-leave-buyers-hungry-and-angry-7000005919/
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[12:00] <Draylor> heh, aussies must be slacking at clearing out available stock
[12:01] <des2> "Nope, only Farnell manufacture the majority of their supply in the UK. RS still produce in China."
[12:01] <hermanhermitage> no one sober enough here to get one working i assume
[12:01] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=20388&p=197786&hilit=sony#p197786
[12:01] <des2> Has Been been to Australia ?
[12:02] <des2> Been even
[12:03] <hermanhermitage> eben?
[12:03] <des2> Heh spell correct keeps changing Eben.
[12:03] <hermanhermitage> not sure
[12:03] <Draylor> :D
[12:03] <Draylor> auto correct just does not work with irc :)
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[12:10] <booyaa> anyone got a watchdog script to monitor wlan/internet connectivity?
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[12:11] <booyaa> if my router gets rebooted i the pi doesn't try to reconnect
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[12:11] <des2> Why doesn't it reconnect ?
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[12:15] <booyaa> will check tonight when i've rebooted it
[12:15] * booyaa is slightly paranoid that it could also be dyndns issue
[12:16] <booyaa> really should move my dynclient to the pi, the other box has started to get moody
[12:16] <booyaa> prolly jealous
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[12:19] <gazzwi86> can anyone think of a webcam view i can install?
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[12:21] <booyaa> webcam view?
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[12:22] <tero> anyone here bought mpeg2 licence ?
[12:22] <tero> how exactly this works?
[12:23] <aaa801> its a key that you put in the config file
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[12:29] <Tachyon`> and requires paypal so those of us who don't use it can't buy them
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> you refuse to use it or you're unable to use it for whatever reason?
[12:30] <tero> to this licence works only on one specific rpi ?
[12:30] <des2> yes one
[12:31] <Tachyon`> ShiftPlusOne, they conned me out of quite a bit of money so I won't use it
[12:31] <Tachyon`> you know, sell item to other country, get paid, send item, have money vanish a few weeks later
[12:31] <Tachyon`> they pulled that one on me, heh, so I won't use them
[12:32] <Tachyon`> funny, I just explained that elsewhere too, wish google checkout would take off
[12:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, yeah, they'll do that sometimes. I make sure to send by registered international mail when it's large orders going to dodgy countries.
[12:32] <Tachyon`> I did!
[12:32] <Tachyon`> it was something to do with the payment at the other end beign fraudulant apparently but I still think that's their problem, not mine
[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> tried disputing through your bank?
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[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> and was the order by any chance to South Africa? >=/
[12:33] <Tachyon`> it was now you mention it
[12:34] <Tachyon`> and yes, I know, I didn't know at the time, lol
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Not a 'Frank Wilson' was it?
[12:34] <Tachyon`> no
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, just had a guy make a $500 order and open a dispute >=/
[12:34] <Tachyon`> eh?
[12:34] <Tachyon`> why?
[12:35] <Tachyon`> because you didn't send it at over light speed
[12:35] <Tachyon`> thus ensuring it got there the instant he clicked buy?
[12:35] <ShiftPlusOne> says he didn't recieve the item, although it's registered and he did.
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> I've been looking at nochex recently for taking small payments...
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> they're sort of uk only though.
[12:35] <Tachyon`> perhaps a neighbour received it
[12:35] <Tachyon`> or perhaps he's a thief
[12:35] <Tachyon`> lol
[12:36] <BurtyB> Tachyon`, if google checkout hadn't held on to the money so much when they started out they prob would be accepted more places...
[12:36] <tero> ok
[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, nuh it was fishy from the start, hence the registered mail.
[12:36] <Tachyon`> ahh -.-
[12:36] <tero> just bought a mpeg2 and that vc1 or whatever is called licence :)
[12:36] <Tachyon`> I generally send things registered/insured to protect both parties
[12:36] <Tachyon`> yeah, tha's microsoft video
[12:36] <Tachyon`> and ?1.20 is about all it's worth, heh
[12:37] <Tachyon`> although the MPEG 2 license is a good deal IMHO
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`, if you don't want to use paypal you could have someone else buy them for you. Although that might not work if you're against using paypal on principle.
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[12:37] <Tachyon`> I may go that route
[12:37] <Tachyon`> I'll need two sets anyway as I'm having new pi soon
[12:37] <Tachyon`> this one will be relegated to media duties
[12:38] <tero> ok..
[12:38] <Tachyon`> particularly as (as I discoverd last night) the TV remote can control it in RaspXBMC
[12:38] <tero> this is kinda stupid
[12:38] <tero> i download two pdf files
[12:38] <Enverex> I'm looking at setting things up a little more custom and I was wondering what the Pi expects partition wise. Normally you DD the image to the SD card, but if I wanted to do it manually, does it actually need an MBR or does it load from the first partition (if it can read it) regardless? e.g. if I manually set up an SD card to have a FAT16 partition and an ext4 partition and put all the relevant boot stuff into the FAT partition, it should w
[12:38] <Enverex> ork?
[12:38] <tero> and it is NOT my licence key
[12:38] <tero> i have to wait
[12:38] <tero> 72 hours :(
[12:38] <Tachyon`> Enverex, no MBR
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> tero, *up to 72 hours.
[12:39] <Tachyon`> you just have a partition and specify it in cmdline.txt
[12:39] <Tachyon`> it'll work
[12:39] <Tachyon`> I've loaded root os from a usb hard drive on pi that way
[12:40] <Enverex> Tachyon`, Ace, so as long as the first partition is FAT16 and contains the boot stuff and a sane cmdline.txt it'll work? That's nice and easy. Will FAT32 or any other format work or is FAT16 the only supported filesystem?
[12:40] <Tachyon`> FAT32 wrks
[12:40] <Tachyon`> EXT doesn't
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> vfat - whatever that is.
[12:40] <Tachyon`> VFAT is just FAT32 with long filenames
[12:41] <Tachyon`> wish I could get this USB drive to work reliably though, it's a bloody nightmare, heh, works almost all the time but occasionally just stops and needs a power cycle
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[12:41] <Tachyon`> and there seem to be no obvious triggers causing it to stop
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[12:44] <Enverex> I'm getting corruption randomly at the moment, not sure if it's the SD card or the power supply I'm using :/
[12:44] <Benighted> Enverex - which distro? I've had the same issue in general with class 10 microSDHC cards
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[12:45] <Enverex> Arch, coincidentally I'm using a Class 10 microSD card
[12:45] <Benighted> not the power supply or the cards, seems it's in the firmware
[12:45] <Enverex> (I've got a 32GB Sandisk Extreme en-route, this card is just temporary)
[12:45] <Benighted> had the same issue with every distro, arch, slack, wheezy, raspbmc
[12:46] <Benighted> check the verified peripherals, I know they've removed a few class 10 microSDHC's since I first reviewed it
[12:46] <Enverex> I had to reinstall 4 times last night because random things would just start corrupting. Is there no known fix for this? Seems like the device is useless if it's going to hose itself if it's going to do that every hour or two...
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[12:47] <Enverex> ah, so the new card should be ok then...
[12:48] <Benighted> I've tried almost everything thinkable in cmdline/config.txt, firmware updates, etc - if it doesn't like the card best thing is to dd the /root partition over to a USB drive
[12:48] <Enverex> Using a 5v 1A Blackberry charger and a 16GB Class 10 MicroSD card at the moment so I don't trust either of them all that much :P
[12:48] <Benighted> just use the class 10 for boot
[12:48] <Enverex> Both of which are being replaced
[12:49] <Benighted> I'm using a USB charger too, don't have the problem with my class 4's
[12:49] <Benighted> blackberry USB
[12:49] <Benighted> god, I should go back to bed lol
[12:49] <Benighted> must...keep...linuxing...
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[12:50] <Enverex> 10MB used after boot, 31MB in use with GUI loaded, lol
[12:50] <Benighted> yeah, mem isn't the problem, it's the damned cpu utilization always being 90%+
[12:51] <Enverex> Indeed.
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[12:52] <japro> needs moar coars
[12:53] <japro> on the other hand coding under restrictions is also fun :D
[12:53] <japro> and that is kinda the point of the device right?
[12:54] <Enverex> Devices like the droid stick T10 look amazing for the price, but it's got no Linux support from what I can see at the moment (dual core A9, quad core Mali, 1GB RAM, Wireless N, $80)
[12:54] <Enverex> Lacks GPIO and all those other fun things though
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[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> What's actually utilizing the cpu that much?
[12:56] <Enverex> Anything, do anything, haha
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[12:58] <japro> 0.7-1GHz might look reasonable... but if you look at actual performance its drastically slower than any regular cpu
[12:58] <japro> more than factor 1000 when looking at float performance compared to typical current gen desktop cpus...
[12:59] <Benighted> I think the pi is a perfect example of what can happen under your nose on a dual or quad core system with 4+GB RAM without you having the slightest idea
[12:59] <japro> so careful programming is required :)
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[13:00] <japro> i was investigating sound stuff for doing games on the pi
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[13:00] <japro> just decoding a vorbis file will eat up about 10-12% cpu, if you mix it also with openal that is another 10% or so
[13:01] <japro> so you loose like a quarter of your cycles to sound alone...
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[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> no hardware acceleration available to decode audio?
[13:01] <Benighted> you guys read raspbmc now supports overclock to 1.5ghz?
[13:02] <Enverex> 100%+ overclock? I can't see that being stable considering most people can't hit 1000Mhz
[13:02] <japro> not sure. about hardware audio decoders... i have heard both. and the openMAX api (which would be relevant here right?) is pretty impenetrable to me atm
[13:03] <Dyskette> 'supports' is a bit much - their config utility will let you set the overclock that high now, is all.
[13:03] <Benighted> ah
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[13:03] <Dyskette> You could have done it before, by editing config.txt manually.
[13:03] <japro> "our dial goes to 11"!
[13:03] <Enverex> I find it odd that something like the Pi chose a processor that doesn't have any open video drivers. Seems like a strange choice.
[13:03] <Benighted> I think there is a real market for cpu/gpu heatsinks
[13:03] <Benighted> japro just be a Marshall
[13:04] <Enverex> Not sure if even the best cooler could help you reach that OC
[13:04] <Dyskette> Old Fenders amps have a scale that goes to 12, so :P
[13:04] <Dyskette> Mine gets unstable well before it gets hot.
[13:04] <japro> do heatsinks really help all that much? someone here showed that putting a heatsink on would reduce temp from like 55 to 52
[13:04] <Benighted> dyskette when's the last time you replaced your tubes?
[13:04] <japro> i haven't seen mine go beyond 56 yet
[13:04] <japro> 900mhz
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[13:05] <Natch> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221 wee
[13:05] <Dyskette> Benighted: the only valve amp I have is an Ashdown Peacemaker, and last year I think.
[13:05] <Benighted> Heatsinks can be, I've had processors that have gone from 70C to 26C only thing I changed was the heatsink
[13:05] <japro> well in general sure, but in the context of the pi?
[13:05] <Dyskette> Benighted: oh wait, I think I see. The instability/heat comment was a reference to my pi.
[13:05] <Benighted> dyskette if you have a 'hybrid' marshall they usually use an EL34 or something similar in the drive preamp,
[13:06] <Benighted> may need replaceing
[13:06] <Dyskette> Benighted: I don't have any hybrid amps. I'm well familiar with how amplifiers work, thanks. I also don't have a problem with any.
[13:06] <japro> my desktop i5 would run up to 80 on stock cooler/clock but can be ramped up to 4.8GHz with a big sink...
[13:06] <Benighted> japro if heat allowance is up to 65-70C on the pi, if you had something reduce the heat by say 10C you could maybe get another 15-20% increase, no?
[13:06] <japro> but on the pi you can't even mount the heatsink directly on the die anyway
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[13:07] <Dyskette> But yeah, my pi never gets hot - it gets unstable at clocks where it doesn't top 50c
[13:07] <Benighted> dyskette ah, thought the stability comment was about the amp, my bad
[13:07] <Enverex> I'm wondering when the A15 boards will be available...
[13:08] <Benighted> about the android usb stick, google is the devil
[13:09] <Enverex> I type "linux" and Google assumes "Android". Really annoying.
[13:09] <ShiftPlusOne> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux problem solved.
[13:09] <Benighted> enverex it's because they try to take anything over that empowers the public
[13:10] <Benighted> startpage.com - been my homepage since they changed their privacy policy in march
[13:11] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, when I google linux, there's nothing about android. Filter bubble or did you mean something else?
[13:12] <Enverex> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=droid+stick+T10&oq=droid+stick+T10&sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=droid+stick+T10+linux&oq=droid+stick+T10+linux&gs_l=serp.3...76481.77846.0.77969.6.6.0.0.0.0.179.561.4j2.6.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.MMbrhlZwwvg&pbx=1&fp=1&bpcl=35466521&biw=1920&bih=928&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=Bc2HUK6OE4aj0QX5_oDoAw
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[13:12] <Enverex> Search was "droid stick T10 linux" but it's highlighting "android" as if I'd searched for it
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, got it
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> wow. open source on the ARM side. Neat!
[13:13] <Enverex> Quite annoyed that stick isn't linux compatible, it's only ~$65 (RPI is $50 here) considering the power
[13:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Probably a handy feature, since it's a convenient substitution for many people. If you want to make sure it's linux you can put quotes around it.
[13:13] <Enverex> Ahh ok
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[13:14] <Enverex> I was used to doing that for phrases, didn't know that's how you "forced" words
[13:14] <ShiftPlusOne> wait, nvrm it didn't work
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm wondering how hard it will be to put a standard linux on the new google chrome book..
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[13:14] <Enverex> Does anyone know of any A15 dev boards yet?
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, any clues about putting e.g. Debian on the chromebook?
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Probably a stupid question, but what actually prevents people from installing regular linux on android phones? They are running linux kernels after all. Can't you strip out all the android framework and run bash instead?
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[13:17] <SpeedEvil> but
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> there's always a but...
[13:18] <ShiftPlusOne> the drivers for closed hardware?
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[13:18] <nid0> locked bootloaders in most cases
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, the bootloader and no knowledge about how the underlying hardware works - device drivers, etc.
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> various bits from the screen to the phone may not work at all
[13:18] <friggle> hey folks, party time http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> the radio is probably the hardest part to boot..
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> friggle, get with the program - it was mentioned here 10 minutes ago ;-)
[13:19] <friggle> gordonDrogon: hah, missed it :)
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> so who's queuing up to write the acellerated X driver then ;-)
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, =D
[13:19] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't see it, awesome
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> ooooh
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> great
[13:19] <friggle> I have some more comments here http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Raspberry-Pi-opens-its-ARM-graphics-code-1735262.html
[13:19] <bede> whait, whut? no more binary blobs?
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> bede, the GPU code itself will stil lbe a binary blob most likely
[13:20] <friggle> everything that runs on the ARM is now open source
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> so treat it like a boack box, but we now have the manual on what all the knobs and levers do.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> black*
[13:20] <friggle> and the BCM2835 is the first ARM SoC for which this is true of the graphics stack
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> bede, not quite, but as good as you can hope for.
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[13:20] <SpeedEvil> friggle: not quite true.
[13:21] <friggle> SpeedEvil: go on
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> friggle: I have a fully graphically documented OMAP device in my phone.
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[13:21] <SpeedEvil> open moko neo1973.
[13:21] <friggle> SpeedEvil: you have a non-proprietary GLES implementation for it?
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> of course, it's just a frame buffer.
[13:21] <gazzwi86> I have installed ffmpeg, mplayer and ivccapture
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> there is no other graphics hardware.
[13:22] <gazzwi86> i can get a snapshot from my webcam with uvccapture
[13:22] <gazzwi86> but no video stream with mplayer, it just outputs a green screen
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> wan't that true for the N900 ?
[13:22] <gazzwi86> ffmpeg just has a file downloading from my mac but no video stream even from vlc
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> but I never really looked deeply into the n900 though.
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> no, the graphics was a blob on n900
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[13:22] <SpeedEvil> was and is
[13:23] <bede> gazzwi86: turn of the dynamic un-cgi-filter-o-tron ;)
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> I was just happy that it ran debian. ah, blobby. ok.
[13:23] <gazzwi86> anyone got any ideas how i can get a video strewm from my webcam?
[13:23] <gazzwi86> bede: how do i do that?
[13:23] <japro> i don't get that repository? it only contains headers? or am i blind?
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[13:24] <thewanderer1> hi. if my raspi flashes the green LED 7 times (refusing to boot), what does that mean?
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> it means it's refused to boot.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> (sorry)
[13:27] <Benighted> did you try turning it off and back on again?
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[13:27] <thewanderer1> yes
[13:28] <thewanderer1> oh well, it was a case of missing kernel
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, you might want to have that on the card.
[13:28] <thewanderer1> I have no idea what I'm doing - I ran a script from http://blog.kmp.or.at/2012/05/build-your-own-raspberry-pi-image/ , and apparently it has failed to provide me with a working kernel.img in the boot dir
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[13:29] <thewanderer1> could anybody please update http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting to state that 7 green LED flashes might mean that the kernel is missing? this information was not there, it only goes up to 6 :P
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> I've updated it.
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[13:33] <thewanderer1> thank you!
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> good job my browser had remembered the password for it!!
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[13:38] <Enverex> Anyone here played about with one of those Odroid-X boards? They also have a 50 pin GPIO and look stupidly powerful so it's a tempting buy
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[13:39] <Benighted> enverex how much are they running?
[13:39] <Benighted> anything that is droid and not linux is not worth it
[13:40] <Benighted> google wants to capture the linux market but they can't have it
[13:40] <Enverex> It runs Linux, it'll actually run the current normal Arm version of Ubuntu (non-modified). There's Arch available for it too
[13:40] <Benighted> Ubuntu = no longer linux
[13:40] <Enverex> Yeah I'm not a fan. I use Arch on all my machines.
[13:41] <Benighted> Canonical has already bent over for Win 8's 1984 mbr write protection
[13:41] <Benighted> I was disappointed when I heard that, so much so I wiped my Mint Cinnamon replaced with Debian
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> Ubuntu probably means you can put Slackware on it fairly easily
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> android does not.
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[13:42] <Benighted> speedevil true
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[13:42] <Benighted> I agree with open hardware, apple already proved proprietary hardware doesn't work
[13:42] <Enverex> But yeah - http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/odroid-x
[13:44] <Enverex> But I want to wait for the A15's, see if any dev boards come out with GPIO. Faster but less power, would be nice.
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[13:50] <thewanderer1> hmm, just had the first system crash... some fast-scrolling kernel message during an SFTP copy of a large file (70MB)
[13:52] <Benighted> enverex yeah I thought that was the point of these arm boards, <50 bucks
[13:52] <Benighted> and low power
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[13:53] <Enverex> Benighted, Well that's one advantage, certainly. For doing school lab work, learning stuff with GPIO and such it's ideal, and if you only want something quiet to run at home
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[13:55] <gazzwi86> has anyone got a webcam working on their pi?
[13:55] <gazzwi86> I'm having real issues with it
[13:55] <Benighted> Yes, I think that the other advantage is finely tuned, low resource devices make it more difficult for malware propagation, as the performance is reduced significantly. Most people have dual or quad core pc's with 4+GB of RAM which is a hackers paradise
[13:56] <gazzwi86> uvccapture can grab a snapshot but i can't get a video stream from vlc or from ffmpeg
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> hm... what can I use some nixie tubes for (connected to a Pi of-course).
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> clocks seem to boring..
[13:57] <clever> Benighted: my linux box has caught a worm, once
[13:57] <clever> Benighted: i discovered it within 30 minutes of the infection... lol
[13:57] <clever> the idiot was trying to hide things, by replacing ps, ls, netstat
[13:58] <gazzwi86> gordonDrogon: live follower/like count
[13:58] <clever> ls -h, invalid argument!
[13:58] <clever> netstat -p, invalid argument!
[13:58] <clever> half my system monitoring scripts up and failed :P
[13:58] <clever> way to call attention to yourself!!
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[13:58] <gazzwi86> gordonDrogon: or a buzz monitor, how many tweets or people are talking about a hashtag
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[13:59] <booyaa> clever: pi?
[13:59] <clever> Benighted: oh, and it spawned a perl script called 'httpd' (my httpd was called apache2), which did a busy-loop on irc
[13:59] <clever> booyaa: na, this was a few years before the pi came out
[13:59] <[SLB]> gazzwi86, have a look at here maybe it can help at least debugging http://www.slblabs.com/2012/09/26/rpi-webcam-stream/
[13:59] <clever> that perl script ate all remaining cpu power, so it stood out pretty badly
[14:00] <clever> i was able to purge the entire thing, without any service outage, not even a reboot
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> gazzwi86, Hm. Idon't think I get that many tweets though!
[14:02] <gazzwi86> hence watching a topic...
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> hm. well any excuse to make some nixie tube gizmo :)
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> Maybe not an entry level soldering project though...
[14:04] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: re debian on chromebook, check out my Google+ page, linked a post from a colleague who's done it for Ubuntu, similar process for Debian (debootstrap instead of rootstock)
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, ok. thanks. just read someone ptuting ubunto on it though Olof Johansson if that's him...
[14:05] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: that's him
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, ok, thanks. lets see if I have time/money before xmas then... :)
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> Yes gods. I've have to buy it from PC World )-: Just because of that, I'll give it a miss.
[14:08] <Milos> woooo open-source VideoCore drivers!
[14:08] <clever> :D
[14:09] <swat> does anyone know of a raspberry pi case with a power plug (shuko, eu) and ideally integrated usb/microusb adapter? (think: apple airport express)
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[14:09] <jelly1> hi
[14:10] <clever> Milos: i did think the libs being closed source was weird
[14:10] <clever> Milos: you have closed source libs, passing messages to an open source kernel driver, which passes them to the closed source gpu blob
[14:10] <clever> your just giving us a perfect way to sniff every message!
[14:10] <Milos> :P
[14:10] <clever> so i patched the kernel to do just that!
[14:11] <Milos> :P
[14:11] <Milos> well, now you don't have to
[14:11] <clever> then i forgot to turn it off, and it ate all free disk space
[14:11] <Milos> lol
[14:11] <clever> and i never went anywhere with it
[14:11] <clever> it was something in the order of 1 or 2 printk's for every frame
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[14:13] <jelly1> does the class of the SD card matter much?
[14:14] <jelly1> > class4 for example
[14:14] <jelly1> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=16433 hmm
[14:15] <ryao> Is anyone using Linux 3.5.7, Linux 3.6.2 or Linux 3.6.3 with ext4?
[14:15] <[SLB]> it depends on the card itself
[14:15] <[SLB]> i got a sony class 4 that performs as a sandisk class 10
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[14:16] <Milos> RyanD, I am using 3.5.7 with ext4.
[14:16] <jelly1> [SLB]: ah
[14:16] <Milos> ryao, rather
[14:16] <Milos> ryao, but no ony my raspberry pi
[14:16] <Milos> s/no ony/not on/
[14:16] <ryao> Milos: You should remount it ro immediately.
[14:17] <Milos> Why.
[14:17] <ryao> Milos: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439502
[14:17] <Milos> And I'm on Gentoo as well
[14:17] <Milos> hahaha
[14:17] <jelly1> on gentoo on a Pi?
[14:17] <ryao> Milos: It isn't Gentoo-specific.
[14:17] <Milos> (yes on a pi, but I was talking about my server)
[14:17] <ryao> It is uptream's bug. I just felt like sending people to the Gentoo bug tracker.
[14:17] <Milos> ryao, I see that.
[14:17] <Milos> Appreciated, thank you.
[14:17] <Milos> I've only been on 3.5.7 for the last 2 days.
[14:17] <jelly1> i hope you cross compile :D
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[14:18] <Milos> jelly1, not at the moment, currently compiling PHP and glibc on the raspberry pi on battery.
[14:18] <thewanderer1> ha, one point for zfsonlinux. good job, ryao :)
[14:18] <ryao> thewanderer1: Thanks. :)
[14:19] <ryao> I am on 3.6.2, but I use ZFS, so I have no problems.
[14:19] <thewanderer1> (btw. trying to get this to work on a raspi might be a fun challenge in itself)
[14:19] <ryao> thewanderer1: ZFS?
[14:19] <thewanderer1> yeah
[14:19] <ryao> It can work in theory.
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[14:19] <ryao> We need to do page cache unification to get the memory requirements down though.
[14:19] <jelly1> btrfs!
[14:19] <ryao> Otherwise, the ARC will lose quite a bit of storage to fragmentation. It doesn't scale down very well right now.
[14:20] <thewanderer1> it probably wouldn't be too happy on <500MB of RAM
[14:20] <ryao> thewanderer1: It can work.
[14:20] <thewanderer1> oh, and a 32-bit address space :[
[14:20] <ryao> Set vmalloc=256M and zfs_arc_max to 2^26
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[14:21] <Datalink> makes the fact I compiled a 3.2 kernel relieving... yeesh
[14:21] <ryao> We are just going to suffer from memory fragmentation in the SLABs...
[14:21] <jelly1> zfs loves mem doesnt it
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[14:21] <ryao> Datalink: I don't know where else those patches were backported.
[14:21] <des2> zfs eats memory.
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[14:21] <des2> And loves fast cpus.
[14:21] <ryao> It has a superior page replacement algorithm.
[14:21] <des2> Especially if you use compression.
[14:21] <iamredux> anyone know of a case that has a built in disk / usb disk for the pi ?
[14:22] <ryao> It makes storage faster at the expense of using more memory when the system has it.
[14:22] <Datalink> Linux spindrift 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l
[14:22] <Datalink> I just hope the patch wasn't backported that far :/
[14:22] <ryao> Of course, the SLABs were never meant to scale down to embedded systems... we need page cache unification to do that.
[14:22] <ryao> Then we should be able to use ZFS comfortably on systems with have 128MB of RAM.
[14:22] <jelly1> i would just don't see the benefit of ZFS on a Pi
[14:23] <thewanderer1> heh, my main machine is on 3.6.0-rcsomething... when rc's are more stable than point releases, you know irony has you
[14:23] <ryao> jelly1: I can say the same for the Raspberry Pi...
[14:23] <ryao> i.e. I don't see the benefit of the Raspberry Pi. :P
[14:23] <iamredux> anyone ?
[14:24] <ryao> It is a bit silly to say such things.
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[14:25] <thewanderer1> this is a nice machine altogether... although I wish it had some SATA ports, so that a proper NAS could be built out of it :P
[14:25] <jelly1> there are other arm boards that can do such a things
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> some people are never happy...
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> for $35 I think it's ok with what it has...
[14:27] <jelly1> well use cases :D
[14:28] <thewanderer1> the people who are not happy are also the ones who come up with solutions, too :)
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> sometimes.
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[14:28] <Hodapp> Other times, those people are just f**king whiners.
[14:28] <jelly1> lo
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, +1
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[14:32] <clever> thewanderer1: i wonder if you could abuse the camera/lcd interface to get sata?
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[14:32] <jelly1> clever: usb -> sata, also welcome horrible I/O
[14:33] <clever> jelly1: yeah, thats why i didnt mention usb
[14:33] <thewanderer1> I wouldn't do that... any noise there would be catastrophic
[14:33] <clever> sata is just a single tx pair and a single rx pair, with 3 grounds for isolation
[14:33] <clever> the lcd interface is ~3-4 tx pairs, and the same for camera (rx pairs)
[14:33] <clever> in theory, it has the hardware for 2 or 3 sata ports
[14:33] * jelly1 has a synology nas which runs on arm
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> lets just cobble a generic parallel interface out of the gpio and do it that way -afterall we used to connect scsi drives to parallel printer ports... and think of the PETs disk interface - GPIB!
[14:34] <clever> so the question becomes, bitrate on those LVDS pairs, and gpu firmware to drive sata
[14:34] <thewanderer1> haha, using the GPU to drive SATA must be the best hack ever
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[14:35] <clever> thewanderer1: from what ive heard, the cpu cant access those pins, ever
[14:35] <clever> so the gpu is the only choice
[14:35] <biberao> yoyoyoy
[14:35] <des2> We just need a GPIO to parallel printer adapter. THen we can use 30 years of projects.
[14:35] <clever> gordonDrogon: do you know anything about the camera/lcd interface ports?
[14:36] <jelly1> btw so there is an opensource gpu driver now
[14:36] <jelly1> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
[14:36] <biberao> jelly1: yo
[14:36] <clever> jelly1: only the cpu side of things
[14:36] <clever> jelly1: not the gpu side
[14:36] <jelly1> hmm
[14:36] * jelly1 didnt read it completely yet
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> clever, sadly no...
[14:37] <biberao> we forgive you jelly1
[14:37] <biberao> :p
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> des2, gpio to parallel printer adapter is easier than you might think.. however there is a level 3.3-5v adapter needed.
[14:37] <jelly1> work just bought me a Pi, now to get an SD card :p
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[14:38] <jelly1> biberao: i thought the gpu driver was a blob, well i need some reading
[14:38] <biberao> brb
[14:38] <clever> jelly1: it was a userspace(cpu) blob, open source kernel drivers (dumb message passer), and then a gpu firmware blob
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[14:38] <jelly1> aha
[14:38] <clever> jelly1: now its 2/3rds open
[14:39] <jelly1> clever: well that's good news
[14:39] <chithead> 2/3? the arm is only a small part of the bcm2835. the gpu is vastly larger
[14:39] <clever> 2/3rd if you only count the large modules
[14:40] <chithead> I'd say the arm is more like 10%, probably even less
[14:40] <nid0> 2/3 as in bits open, not size on the die
[14:40] <jelly1> is the max speed of the SD card interface known?
[14:41] <chithead> jelly1: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance no card seems to get significantly more than 20 mb/s
[14:41] <clever> jelly1: not sure how it effects the sd pins, but the GPIO pins max out at ~20mhz
[14:41] <jelly1> chithead: i have tht open yeah
[14:41] <jelly1> i wonder if buying > 20MB/s is worth it, it doesnt seem to be likely
[14:41] <nid0> you wont get much more than 20MB/s out of it regardless of the speed of the card
[14:42] <jelly1> ok
[14:42] <jelly1> nid0: thanks
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[14:42] <clever> hmmm, sata is self-clocking, so that means the GPU would need to over-sample things to recover the clock
[14:43] <clever> which doubles or tripples the required bitrate :S
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[14:44] <jelly1> nid0: well found a 30MB/s card for 15 euro, looks nice
[14:44] <Milos> all over ebay
[14:44] <[SLB]> got a 45mbs 16gb sandisk 15 euro
[14:44] <[SLB]> amazon
[14:44] <[SLB]> better
[14:44] <Milos> yep
[14:44] <Milos> I got 95MB/s :P
[14:44] <jelly1> well i am buying in the netherlands, so i have it tommorow ;)
[14:45] <[SLB]> :3
[14:45] <Milos> but not worth the raspberry pi
[14:45] <jelly1> Milos: but not on the Pi :p
[14:45] <[SLB]> for camera eheh
[14:45] <Milos> :)
[14:45] <chithead> several class 10 cards which are advertised at 20 mb/s or more get only lowly speeds on the rpi. carefully check the performance and problem hardware lists
[14:45] <jelly1> also need to buy some sensors and maybe an extension board
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[14:45] <jelly1> chithead: ok
[14:45] <jelly1> chithead: which was the link you send me? :p
[14:45] <[SLB]> i got temp/humid/altit/pressure sensor on ebay for a couple of euros each
[14:45] <jelly1> [SLB]: nice
[14:46] <[SLB]> :)
[14:46] <jelly1> [SLB]: and then you have your weather station ;)
[14:46] <chithead> and http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[14:46] <[SLB]> yes :D
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[14:46] <[SLB]> displaying on a nokia 5110 display, 6 good lines of infos :3
[14:46] <jelly1> [SLB]: :)
[14:46] <jelly1> [SLB]: pics?
[14:47] <[SLB]> yeps sec
[14:48] <[SLB]> http://goo.gl/PpqHc
[14:48] <[SLB]> only temp/humid connected at the moment
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[14:48] <FR^2> Is there any way to get information about the sdcard from the running system?
[14:48] <jelly1> chithead: thanks, loads of info
[14:49] <jelly1> FR^2: lspci i guess
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[14:49] <FR^2> jelly1: I thought grep "sdcard" /dev/random was the right information source...
[14:50] <clever> jelly1: the pi doesnt have a pci bus
[14:50] <jelly1> ah
[14:50] <jelly1> ofc.
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[14:56] <gordonDrogon> just added a writeByte into wiringPi for no reason other than to implement a parallel printer driver - before realising I don't own a printer anymore with a parallel port to test it with. Doh!
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> still - at least one person asked about a write byte function some time back, so ...
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> it requires 2 writes to the Pi's GPIO registers - one write to write the zeros and a 2nd to write the 1's.
[14:58] <Pricey> Re: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221 - So what's still closed?
[14:59] <Milos> the fifmware
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[14:59] <Milos> s/if/rm/
[14:59] <[SLB]> so we're gonna get accelerated X?
[15:00] <Pricey> Milos: thanks, further googling just found me http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Raspberry-Pi-opens-its-ARM-graphics-code-1735262.html which explains a few more things!
[15:00] <des2> http://www.indiegogo.com/cubieboard?a=1661885
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[15:01] <des2> Cubie board is doing crowdsourcing funding for their next batch. $39 units are available (1 gig).
[15:03] <thewanderer1> w00t! I can see a SATA port :)
[15:03] <chithead> yeah, but is it open source :p
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[15:06] <jelly1> yay ordered ssd card
[15:06] <jelly1> er SD :p
[15:06] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, welcome to the 21st century, time to start asking around for a tester
[15:06] <Milos> Pricey, :D
[15:07] <[7]> des2: "next" batch? does that mean that they have in fact demonstrated that this thing works? :)
[15:07] <Datalink> [SLB], heh, I actually wanna make a display similar to that for printer status... problem would be making CUPS interpret HP Printer debug commands
[15:08] <Datalink> (the printer at my school hasn't been powered down for weeks, since I set it's display with the room number, to look more professional than 'ready')
[15:08] <[SLB]> oh eheh
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[15:09] <des2> Apparently. The first batch was 100 and the second batch (150?) just went out. The 3rd batch will be crowdsourced at 1,000.
[15:10] <des2> chithead it has the same problem as the PI opensource wise (cpu/gpu secretness)
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[15:10] <[7]> des2: I wouldn't care about a closed gpu if I can just power it down and ignore it
[15:11] <[7]> like on e.g. OMAP4
[15:11] <chithead> des2: the rpi open source problem got reduced to firmware 2 hours ago
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, http://miscellany.kovaya.com/2007/10/insert-coin.html
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[15:11] <[7]> chithead: oh?
[15:11] <des2> Yeah that was great chithead.
[15:12] <des2> It's about 2/3rd open sourced now.
[15:12] <[7]> this still doesn't include start.elf though, does it?
[15:12] <chithead> [7]: [14:36:08] <jelly1> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
[15:12] <[7]> just some interface code in the kernel?
[15:13] <chithead> about the 2/3 that's debatable, but the kernel and userland running on the arm core are open source now
[15:13] <chithead> everything which runs on the gpu is still closed
[15:13] <des2> Well you can't bypass the license for the Codecs.
[15:13] <Hodapp> What was just open-sourced?
[15:14] <jelly1> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Raspberry-Pi-opens-its-ARM-graphics-code-1735262.html
[15:14] <chithead> and you can't access csi/dsi yet, or anything else which the blob does not allow you to access
[15:14] <[7]> des2: so how open is that cubie?
[15:15] <chithead> the cubie uses mali graphics I think, no usable free driver yet (a reverse engineering effort exists called lima)
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[15:15] <chnops> broadcom just entered my list of awesome companies
[15:15] <alcides> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/10/23/2342201/arm-code-for-raspberry-pi-goes-open-source-video
[15:15] <[7]> well the mali 400 is a rather common core...
[15:16] <[7]> the big question is whether the SoC can be operated without it
[15:16] <[7]> i.e. whether you can completely ignore it if you don't need graphics
[15:16] <jelly1> chnops: not mine yet
[15:16] <[7]> or even drive the HDMI with purely software rendering without the GPU
[15:16] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, yeah, pretty much
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[15:16] <atouk> one step at a time. remember the berlin wall. it all started with "limited" democracy. Now we get "limited" open source. Lets just hope they decide to open the rest before a different project takes the spotlight
[15:16] <Datalink> sorry I'm working on an animation
[15:17] <[7]> des2: do you happen to know how the ethernet and sata ports are interfaced on the cubie? directly to the SoC or via USB?
[15:17] <nid0> its direct to the soc
[15:17] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, actually that insert coin post was my reference, the Perl script and a Perl interpreter for Windows sits on my external, I can do the hack without even needing my own computer... I want to eventually build a database of school network printers I can reach and run the script regularly just to see how long it takes someone to notice..
[15:19] <Datalink> ..... alcides they opened the source? or is it still Soon(tm)?
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[15:20] <alcides> Datalink read the text
[15:20] <alcides> here http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
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[15:20] <des2> USB isn't used like it is on the PI
[15:21] <des2> The cubie sata is pretty fast, people have reported 120MB/sec.
[15:22] <alcides> des2 who? when? where?
[15:22] <Enverex> des2, Their site says $49
[15:23] <alcides> Enverex http://www.indiegogo.com/cubieboard
[15:23] <des2> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/260598/pledges/new?perk_amt=39&perk_id=631152
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, Hehe...
[15:23] <des2> There are still $39 ones left.
[15:24] <alcides> i just got a $29 slot
[15:24] <des2> When the 30 are sold it goes up to $49.
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, one of the coolest hacks a friend played on his boss was to echo the string "Wrong Colour Tape" to the console and eject the tape whenever he tried to insert a tape into the drive to copy some software off...
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[15:24] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: bahahahaha
[15:24] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, hahaahahaa
[15:25] <StMichel> I don't get it... is the $39 also free shipping or what is different with it compared to $49 version
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> that was on an old Sun3 server - many years ago...
[15:25] <Datalink> "you are not fabulous enough, pleh!"
[15:25] <des2> It is free shipping.
[15:25] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I have a huge list of old practical jokes from USENET in the early '80s or so... A handful are ones like that.
[15:25] <Vostok> hey, how come i can't find the rss-feed at raspberrypi.org
[15:25] <des2> The $39 is identical to the $49, it's just to get people to sign up quickly before the price goes to the next level.
[15:25] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: Shame I was not in any universities then to witness them.
[15:25] <StMichel> hmm okay
[15:26] <des2> "Always mount a scratch monkey".
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[15:26] <Datalink> ooh, 3 clause BSD is a pretty good license... and having the whole ARM driver would be enough for most folks (I'm sure one or two would like the videoCore driver
[15:27] <des2> (punchline from an old computer joke)
[15:27] <Sv> cubieboard is great
[15:27] <Enverex> Hrm... buy one of those or wait for the A15....
[15:27] <alcides> Enverex i'll boy both
[15:27] <alcides> *buy
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[15:28] <Enverex> Suppose I can always just sell it on
[15:28] <booyaa> wow just caught up on the whole opensource the userspace/gpu stuff
[15:28] <des2> Well the final price will be $59 with shipping so if you get one for $39 it should be easy to sell.
[15:28] <booyaa> so has smoeone started on x11?
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[15:29] <des2> Accelerated X is being worked on.
[15:29] <des2> It shouldn't be too long.
[15:29] <booyaa> \m/
[15:29] <des2> They are putting a strong effort at the foundation level.
[15:30] <thewanderer1> you guys keep talking about accelerated X... does that mean I can't run Quake3 under X for now?
[15:30] <Datalink> thewanderer1, you can, but it's not as fast as it could be...
[15:30] <des2> Quake 3 runs.
[15:30] <thewanderer1> actually I was thinking about UrbanTerror, but it's the same engine... very few tweaks should be needed I suppose
[15:30] <Datalink> the community, and the foundation have been pushing Broadcom for these drivers for a while, so we can take advantage of videoCore and have MOAR FPS!
[15:30] <FR^2> "There's the first image! ... There's image no 2. Oh, I already was killed by that bot... :("
[15:31] <thewanderer1> okay, seriously, what FPS could I expect?
[15:32] <des2> Yeah this was a big announcement.
[15:32] <Datalink> thewanderer1, personally I haven't tried it yet, I want to
[15:32] <des2> I was slightly expecting something like this.
[15:32] <des2> Because it was going to be causing Broadcom increasing embarassment.
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[15:33] <Enverex> What is Quake using? Framebuffer or VESA? Or some actual early version of an open source driver for the VideoCore?
[15:34] <clever> Datalink: a few of my potential projects would need gpu access
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[15:35] <clever> Datalink: one of them is driving a laptop lcd directly off the pi, another posible one (no idea on the specs it has) is sata ports
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[15:35] <des2> Quake III fps: http://www.memetic.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/rpi-overclock-qiii-perf.jpg
[15:35] <Datalink> clever, you're daring, I'll give ya that
[15:35] <[7]> clever: I doubt the gpu would help you with sata
[15:36] <clever> [7]: from what ive heard, the LVDS tx/rx pairs are wired directly to the gpu
[15:36] <clever> so the only way to ever access them is from the gpu side
[15:36] <clever> electricaly, those are the right ports for sata
[15:36] <[7]> the clock recovery will kill you
[15:37] <[7]> the gpu is most certainly only designed to be the clock master
[15:38] <clever> yeah, it would need to sample the rx pins at atleast 3gig
[15:38] <clever> tx wouldnt have an issue, just tx the 8b/18b code and ignore the clock pair
[15:38] <InControl> good to see the Pi becomming a little more open
[15:39] <clever> [7]: so the main question becomes, how fast can the rx LVDS pins be sampled?
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[15:39] <[7]> you want to do software clock recovery?
[15:39] <[7]> i doubt that will get you any reasonable performance...
[15:39] <[7]> a USB->SATA bridge will probably perform better
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[15:41] <clever> [7]: all depends on how much of the gpu i can put to work
[15:41] <clever> but if i cant sample it fast enough, the idea is dead
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[15:43] <thewanderer1> hmm, should playing a stream radio compressed with AAC+ be using 100% of the CPU? 95% usr, 0% idle
[15:44] <des2> not on any modern processor
[15:45] <dirty_d> thewanderer1, you sure its all from that one process?
[15:45] <thewanderer1> well, since we're in this channel, guess what processor I'm using
[15:45] <thewanderer1> dirty_d, pretty much, yeah
[15:45] <dirty_d> thewanderer1, are you using hard-float?
[15:45] <thewanderer1> mpd shows 97.8% in top
[15:45] <thewanderer1> no, soft float
[15:45] <dirty_d> thats probably why
[15:45] <thewanderer1> would I see an improvement in music playback?
[15:46] <dirty_d> i was using arch soft before and i couldnt play any video unless the audio was ac3 2 channels
[15:46] <dirty_d> now i can play DTS 5.1 ect with 50% cpu usage
[15:46] <thewanderer1> it's not like the music is tearing or anything... it just says 100% cpu usage, which is a bit worrying
[15:46] <dirty_d> which distro?
[15:46] <Enverex> Is MPD resampling?
[15:46] <thewanderer1> Debian Wheezy, I don't know if mpd is resampling
[15:47] <dirty_d> thewanderer1, how can i try what you're doing on mine?
[15:47] <Enverex> If ALSA is in play then it's probably using DMIX which will be resampling... not sure how the Debian setup works
[15:47] <thewanderer1> dirty_d, fire up mpd, mpc add http://pub2.di.fm:80/di_trance_aacplus; mpc play
[15:47] <dirty_d> ok ill try that
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[15:49] <thewanderer1> ok, when I load the system some more (apt-get something), the music does start tearing, which is not surprising :P
[15:49] <clever> thewanderer1: hit H in top, and then wait for it to update a few times
[15:49] <clever> thewanderer1: is it still showing as all in a single mpd?
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[15:51] <dirty_d> thewanderer1, hmm, gotta get alsa working first
[15:51] <dirty_d> fails to start
[15:52] <dirty_d> i only have seq and timer in /dev/snd
[15:52] <Enverex> What does aplay -l say?
[15:52] <dirty_d> i wonder if i missing a module
[15:52] <Enverex> (lower case ell)
[15:52] <Enverex> Does it see the soundcard? I had to load the module manually for it
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[15:52] <dirty_d> aplay: device_list:256: no soundcards found...
[15:52] <dirty_d> actually
[15:53] <dirty_d> ive never even set up alsa
[15:53] <thewanderer1> dirty_d, snd_bcm2835
[15:53] <dirty_d> ok, back in business
[15:54] <dirty_d> thewanderer1, ok its working, 20% cpu
[15:54] <thewanderer1> looks like I'm headed for raspbian...
[15:54] <dirty_d> thewanderer1, ever used arch?
[15:54] <Enverex> thewanderer1, What are you using now?
[15:54] <thewanderer1> Debian Wheezy
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[15:55] <thewanderer1> not sure about Arch, I'm a Debian guy :P
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[15:57] <dirty_d> ahh
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[15:59] <thewanderer1> I'll probably switch to Raspbian soon though, seeing how the box hardly copes with mpd on softfp
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[16:08] <Enverex> Considering the A15 is used in the -now actually selling- chromebook, it seems odd that there are no A15 developer boards out. Is there an obvious reason for this? The Samsung site still states that it's in the "consumer sample" stage, bit odd.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> thewanderer1, just do it - I've now abandoned my old debian and early wheezy images..
[16:12] <Draylor> ya, its the right way to go now
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[16:16] <thewanderer1> re mpd: I can see 2 threads in htop, I think
[16:16] <thewanderer1> not sure, it shows me a PID which doesn't exist :P
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[16:19] <japro> hmpf, i cant get anything to work on this one
[16:20] <japro> starting to suspect the sd card isn't ok
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[16:24] <thewanderer1> thanks for the performance testing and good advice, folks
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[16:29] <japro> ok, i don't get it i suddenly can't manage to connect my pis via my laptop
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[16:30] <japro> it says eth' is configured and my laptop also reports the connection
[16:30] <asdfffdsa> so now that broadcom opensourced its code (or at least mostly), does that open a whole new range of possibilities? like could we see drivers optimized for epaper screens?
[16:31] <booyaa> oooo
[16:31] <booyaa> i like your thinking asdfffdsa
[16:31] <booyaa> does ada fruit sell epaper screens?
[16:32] <des2> Yes the opening has increased the possibilities.
[16:32] <des2> Only 1/3 more to go (roughly)
[16:33] <japro> so i can ping the pi from the laptop and vice versa
[16:33] <japro> but i can't get the pi to pull anything from the net
[16:33] <japro> the wired connection is configured to share
[16:33] <Enverex> No DNS resolvers or route?
[16:33] <asdfffdsa> not really sure, i've never found a small enough epaper screen
[16:34] <Enverex> What does "route" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" say?
[16:34] <thewanderer1> nobody seems to be selling e-paper kits these days, sadly
[16:34] <japro> Enverex, nameserver <ip of the laptop>
[16:35] <japro> this is one of those aggravating cases where i can't remember to have changed anything since it worked perfectly fine yesterday
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[16:39] <bagpuss_thecat> japro: do you have a name resolver on your laptop?
[16:39] <bagpuss_thecat> can you ping -n 8.8.8.8 ?
[16:39] <bagpuss_thecat> and if you can, run dig +short google.com @8.8.8.8
[16:40] <bagpuss_thecat> if you can't ping -n 8.8.8.8 then you have a routing problem
[16:40] <japro> i can ping that
[16:42] <japro> "run dig +short google.com @8.8.8.8" <- not sure what that means?
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[16:42] <bagpuss_thecat> it looks up the address for google.com on the nameserver at 8.8.8.8
[16:42] <nid0> type "dig +short google.com @8.8.8.8"
[16:42] <nid0> without quotes
[16:42] <japro> tried that
[16:42] <japro> says "dig: command not found"
[16:42] <bagpuss_thecat> oh :-)
[16:43] <nid0> useless cut-down build :\
[16:43] <nid0> can you ping google.com?
[16:43] <japro> unknown host
[16:43] <bagpuss_thecat> got nslookup?
[16:43] <japro> nope
[16:43] <nid0> modify /etc/resolv.conf and change the line in it to "nameserver 208.67.222.222"
[16:43] <bagpuss_thecat> yah
[16:44] <bagpuss_thecat> what nid0 says ^
[16:44] <asdfffdsa> my dream is to have a pocketable device that has several levels of powersave modes (e.g. "basic powersave" when i'm out and about with minimal screen use--an epaper screen; ebook mode; extreme powersave mode for use as an mp3 player) with basic peripherals that keep it pocketable, and then also be able to dock it & put it in "performance" mode at home
[16:44] <asdfffdsa> that's mostly why i'm interested in epaper screens
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[16:45] <Enverex> Just set your DNS resolvers to be something public then like Google's, looks like your laptop doesn't want to do your lookups for you anymore
[16:45] * bagpuss_thecat nods
[16:45] <japro> hmpf, so i somehow managed to disable name resolution on the laptop
[16:45] <nid0> thats what the change above does
[16:45] <Enverex> Although I'd personally use 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8
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[16:46] <nid0> any reason?
[16:46] <Enverex> Far easier to remember
[16:46] <nid0> bad reason
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[16:46] <Enverex> Plus 8.8.4.4 is geographically closer to me and thus faster
[16:46] <Enverex> (than OpenDNS)
[16:47] <DigitalYeti> does anyone know if it's possible to log into the Pi via SSH and display the output from that session over the HDMI connection instead of the local terminal session that normally starts when you boot?
[16:47] <biberao> hi
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[16:48] <scummos> DigitalYeti: I think you can use screen for that
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[16:49] <DigitalYeti> scummos: oh? how would you do that?
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[16:49] <Datalink|elsewhe> school time, yay x.x
[16:49] <Enverex> Screen is horrible for navigation though, you can't just scroll around as normal :(
[16:49] <Datalink|elsewhe> ugh I despise that about screen
[16:49] <Enverex> Can you actually SSH into an existing terminal, i.e. TTY1?
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[16:50] <scummos> uh, let me look it up :D
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[16:50] <DigitalYeti> the reason I ask is because if I have my Pi connected to the TV, it's a pain to connect a keyboard to it and try and use it
[16:50] <lorimer> no, you have to screen to it :)
[16:50] <DigitalYeti> so it's easier to connect via SSH
[16:50] <lorimer> run screen inside your logged-in TTY and then you can ssh to that and take over the screen session
[16:50] <scummos> DigitalYeti: yeah, run screen, then run screen -x -
[16:50] <scummos> screen -x -r
[16:51] <Enverex> Yeah, but you're still inside a screen session, thus crap
[16:51] <scummos> the second one will just display a copy of what the first one does
[16:51] <scummos> how does that matter
[16:51] <scummos> screen is okay
[16:51] <lorimer> screen is awesome :) try shift-pgup and shift-pgdn
[16:51] <Enverex> It's -horrible- to scroll around
[16:51] <scummos> yes
[16:51] <DigitalYeti> ahh ic
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[16:52] <[SLB]> if you connect it to a tv, i assume you're most likely running graphical programs there?
[16:53] <DigitalYeti> SLB: no, I was thinking the terminal
[16:53] <[SLB]> ah ok
[16:53] <DigitalYeti> just for output's sake
[16:54] <biberao> hey slb!
[16:54] <[SLB]> heys :)
[16:54] <biberao> dont use screen
[16:54] <biberao> use tmux
[16:54] <Enverex> DigitalYeti, I was actually doing this last night
[16:54] <DigitalYeti> I may try the screen idea, thanks everyone! It's not a big deal, I was just messing with the pi setup the other day and wishing I was able to see my SSH output on the tv instead
[16:54] <DigitalYeti> enverex: oh?
[16:55] <Enverex> DigitalYeti, I mean SSHing and wanting it to output to the TV :P
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[16:56] <DigitalYeti> enverex: haha did you have any luck?
[16:56] <biberao> DigitalYeti: -> tmux
[16:56] <Enverex> DigitalYeti, No, I refused to use screen, plus I'd have to run screen on that machine first, which I couldn't do, so it defeated the point
[16:57] <DigitalYeti> yeah that was my thought too... It seems liek you can have control over the HDMI output via SSH (the playing youtube via ssh tutorial does exactly that)
[16:57] <DigitalYeti> I'm just curious if you can "tee" the output of your ssh session to it as well
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[16:58] <biberao> youtube over ssh?
[16:58] <DigitalYeti> yeah
[16:58] <DigitalYeti> there's a tutorial in the raspberry pi forums for playing youtube via terminal
[16:58] <DigitalYeti> it works via ssh as well
[16:58] <DigitalYeti> you can play videos via ssh and it'll output over the HDMI connection
[16:59] <biberao> can you link me up please?
[16:59] <DigitalYeti> mm yup one sec lemme find it
[16:59] <DigitalYeti> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8157
[17:00] <DigitalYeti> use the precompiled version of omxplayer from sconde.net instead (there's a link somehwere in there)
[17:00] <DigitalYeti> and make sure to set the -ohdmi setting for it in the youtube-dl step
[17:00] <DigitalYeti> but otherwise it works well :-D
[17:01] <biberao> nie thanks
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[17:01] <DigitalYeti> no prob! It was a little tedious to get it set up, but once I did, it's pretty sweet :-D
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[17:03] <biberao> DigitalYeti: you got a pic of it spitting?
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[17:05] <DigitalYeti> hmm?
[17:05] <DigitalYeti> spitting?
[17:05] <digitlman> splitting
[17:06] <DigitalYeti> what splitting? :) I'm confused
[17:06] <biberao> no spitting the image
[17:06] <digitlman> splitting the image?
[17:07] <DigitalYeti> you mean playing it over ssh? it doesn't play it in the ssh terminal window, it plays it as an overlay in the hdmi output
[17:07] <digitlman> ah n/m
[17:07] <FR^2> spitting image?
[17:07] <DigitalYeti> lol
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[17:07] <biberao> DigitalYeti: i know
[17:08] <biberao> i just wanted to see it
[17:08] <biberao> lol
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[17:10] <biberao> [SLB]: anime fan?
[17:10] <biberao> :X
[17:10] <[SLB]> lol
[17:10] <[SLB]> old times but yea
[17:11] <DigitalYeti> biberao - oh, sry, I don't have an image of it offhand :-/
[17:12] <biberao> [SLB]: whats his brother name?
[17:12] <[SLB]> Vanfanel XD
[17:12] <biberao> ya
[17:12] <biberao> hitomi!!
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[17:12] <[SLB]> lol
[17:13] <Vanfanel> oh my good! They recognized me! Hispano, bring on the mecha!
[17:13] <[SLB]> i think i saw it in year 2000
[17:13] <biberao> [SLB]: i saw it on mtv
[17:13] <biberao> after midnight
[17:13] <[SLB]> me too eheh
[17:13] <Vanfanel> yep, I saw it around 1999-2000 too; still have the series around
[17:13] <biberao> Vanfanel: the old ones are nice
[17:14] <biberao> the remastered nope
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[17:15] <Vanfanel> Nah, I have the old spanish version from back in the 90's :D
[17:15] <biberao> i like the original
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[17:20] <Wolfram74> Does this ARM code shenanigans mean that using the GPU for parallel processing is going to be easier?
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[17:23] <Hexxeh> Wolfram74: nope, not really
[17:23] <Wolfram74> oh :(
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[17:23] <Hexxeh> some people's reactions today are really grating on me
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[17:24] <Wolfram74> how so?
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[17:24] <Wolfram74> and is anybody working on working with the GPU?
[17:24] <Hexxeh> just reading the blog comments re people bitching about MPEG2 codecs
[17:24] <Hexxeh> some people bitching you have to pay for them
[17:24] <Hexxeh> the alternative is you bundle the cost in the hardware
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[17:24] <Hexxeh> if you did that, people would bitch more about that
[17:25] <Hexxeh> i'd wager that 80% of people buying these don't care for codecs
[17:25] <tripgod> no, people wouldn't buy as many RPis
[17:25] <Hexxeh> hell i've got boxes full of them, not a single one do i care about having MPEG2 codecs for
[17:25] <thewanderer1> what's the current codec situation? is the hardware for MPEG-2 embedded in the raspi?
[17:25] <Hexxeh> the GPU is capable of hardware accelerated decode of a bunch of codecs
[17:26] <Hexxeh> some of these codecs are free, in which case there's no reason that functionality can't be exposed
[17:26] <Hexxeh> some are not, in which case you can't use them unless the license fee is paid
[17:26] <Hexxeh> for example MPEG4 was bundled with the pi
[17:26] <Hexxeh> and the cost factored into the unit as far as i know
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[17:26] <friggle> blame the people who control the mpeg2 patents
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[17:27] <Hexxeh> MPEG-LA
[17:27] <Hexxeh> yeah
[17:27] <Wolfram74> but say, for physics simulation work, GPU acceleration is kind of a big deal, could someone cut their teeth on the rPi's GPU?
[17:27] <Hexxeh> honestly it amazes me that given how vocal some people are about paying the token amount for those codecs, nobody has figured some way around it
[17:28] <Wolfram74> before moving onto other chips?
[17:28] <Wolfram74> asking as a total novice
[17:28] <friggle> Wolfram74: if you can write what you want as a GLSL shader then you're good to go, but there is no e.g. opencl support
[17:28] <Wolfram74> hrmmmm, ok
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[17:29] <Wolfram74> I must be off, but thank you for your thoughts
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[17:29] <BurtyB> opencl support would have been a nice +
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[17:29] <Hexxeh> i believe it's on the wishlist, but it's a case of it'd require resources which are better directed elsewhere at the moment
[17:30] <Matt> I don't get why people complain about paying for the mpeg2 codec
[17:30] <Hexxeh> neither do i
[17:30] <Hexxeh> equal amounts of people would have complained had they have included it in the cost of the board no doubt
[17:30] <Matt> technically you ought to pay that royalty for things like ffmpeg too
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[17:30] <thewanderer1> actually, it looks pretty cheap
[17:30] <Matt> it is
[17:31] <Hexxeh> you know what'd be cool?
[17:31] <Hexxeh> if the MPEG-LA granted them a free license for non-commercial use
[17:31] <Hexxeh> just to end all the bullshit
[17:31] <Matt> meh, that's not gonna happen
[17:31] <Hexxeh> they're likely going to be making peanuts from the Pi, and it'd be a good move PR wise for them
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[17:32] <thewanderer1> since when do modern companies care about PR? O.o
[17:32] <biberao> i care about money
[17:32] <Hexxeh> given the fairly shocking reputation the MPEG LA has?
[17:32] <Matt> Hexxeh: hence "meh, that's not gonna happen" :)
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[17:33] <thewanderer1> can't imagine any media conglomerate giving up their precious :)
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[17:34] <Enverex> ooh, just thought, ScummVM should work well on the Pi shouldn't it?
[17:34] <Vanfanel> heh, scummos joining sure had something to do with that thinking, Enverex
[17:35] <Enverex> Haha, indeed
[17:35] <Enverex> Immediately thought that an entire OS for ScummVM seemed a little excessive
[17:36] <scummos> oh I don't think so
[17:36] <Enverex> Although HQ2X may be out of the question
[17:36] <Vanfanel> Enverex: not if they merge Lemmings engine! What else could need a man to have fun beyong Monkey Island and Lemmings?
[17:36] <Enverex> Flashback
[17:36] <Vanfanel> huh... you gor me there...
[17:37] <Vanfanel> *got
[17:37] <Vanfanel> I'd prefer Another World any day of the week, anyway :D
[17:37] <Enverex> Although there is an open-source engine for Flashback called "Reminisce"
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[17:40] <Vanfanel> and an open-source port of Another World called RAW
[17:40] <Vanfanel> it's canceled and deleted... almost everywhere :D
[17:40] <Hodapp> Vanfanel: Another World? That old DOS game that was vector-based and pretty neat?
[17:41] <Vanfanel> but I got it working on the Pi, it compiled straighforward
[17:41] <Vanfanel> yes, but it's an Amiga game: DOS version was released later
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[17:41] <Hodapp> but RAW is the source port?
[17:41] <Hodapp> er, whatever you wanna call it
[17:41] <Matt> oh cool, dott is scumm
[17:42] <lee> I'm not entirely clear on the announcement today - does it mean that an accelerated X driver is now easier to create (for those who know understand such voodoo)? tbh, all I care about it improving web browser performance...
[17:42] <Vanfanel> Hodapp: yes, it's called the RAW engine, an "Another World" implementation
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[17:43] <Vanfanel> (and yes, it was/is a vector/rotoscopy game by one man called Eric Chahi)
[17:43] <Matt> lee: it should do
[17:44] <lee> excellent
[17:44] <Vanfanel> A related question: why an accelerated X driver? Wouldn't it be better for the Pi to jump in the Wayland wagon instead?
[17:44] <Vanfanel> no tearing, hardware rotation, composing...
[17:45] <Enverex> and it wasn't related to Flashback, despite what people think
[17:46] <mervaka> those people who are asking for opencl should really be looking at a cortex M4 board..
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[17:47] <mervaka> or A8
[17:47] <mervaka> *cough*beagleboard
[17:47] <Vanfanel> Enverex: no, Flashback was publised by the same company (french Delphine Software), but it had nothing to do with Another World. AW had an "official" sequel anyway, called "Heart of the Alien", but it was only released for MegaCD
[17:47] <Enverex> Vanadis, I know, I said it WASN'T related :P
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[17:48] <Enverex> and Flashback had a sequal called "Fade to Black" on PC and Playstation
[17:48] <Vanfanel> ok, sorry, I don't have a perfect english understanding
[17:49] <Vanfanel> Enverex: where you an Amiga user?
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[17:49] <Enverex> Yup
[17:50] <Vanfanel> hehe, you look like one, naming all those games... :D
[17:50] <Vanfanel> long live european software from the 80's and first 90's!
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[17:51] <AC`97> the conversation is still about ancient games?!? D:
[17:51] * AC`97 hasn't been gone long enough...
[17:51] * AC`97 wanders off
[17:51] <teh_> OMG
[17:51] <teh_> open source drivers for the raspi
[17:51] <teh_> sweetness
[17:51] <AC`97> wot? where?
[17:52] <lee> on the homepage, and all over the tech news sites
[17:52] <teh_> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland
[17:52] <teh_> bsd-license
[17:52] <AC`97> hmm
[17:53] <teh_> does this mean we're gonna get glx drivers ?
[17:53] <teh_> (please say yes please say yes please say yes please say yes)
[17:53] <AC`97> om nom nom, time to start writing software
[17:53] <AC`97> ... if i wasn't computer illiterate
[17:53] <Enverex> We will when someone writes them
[17:53] <Hodapp> Vanfanel: does RAW work well?
[17:55] <Vanfanel> Hodapp: it does, yes. But I haven't tested audio. It uses SDL backend for audio anyway, so it should sound well, too
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[17:59] <Hodapp> Vanfanel: lovely. I should try this; I played only the DOS version of this (and mine was called Out of This World) but I quite liked this game
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[18:00] <axion> wow, i cannot believe broadcom had it in them...or any chip vendor for that matter
[18:00] <Vanfanel> Hodapp: It's one of the greatest games I've ever played. You can download the open-source engine here: http://newraw.svn.sourceforge.net
[18:00] <axion> time to start coding :)
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[18:01] <AC`97> does this mean free video decoding now? :D
[18:01] <lee> no
[18:01] <AC`97> ...
[18:02] <Tachyon`> hi, having some slight troubles here, using RaspXBMC to play audio, never mind local or net, it plays a few tunes then gets stuck (IE: still responding to keys etc. but won't actually play, just sits there at 0:00 until I reboot it)
[18:02] <AC`97> bootloader not open??
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[18:02] <AC`97> Tachyon`: audio driver problem. got overclock ??
[18:03] <Matt> codecs cost because of royalties on patents
[18:03] <Matt> they can't just make them all free
[18:03] <Tachyon`> er, I don't know if it's overclocked on this distribution
[18:03] <Tachyon`> it is on debian, but xbmc should be set to defaults
[18:04] <AC`97> cat /boot/config.txt |egrep "freq|volt"
[18:04] <Tachyon`> it's odd that it'll play like 4-6 tunes first
[18:04] <Tachyon`> then freezes
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[18:05] <Tachyon`> nothing about voltage, frequency is set to 800
[18:05] <AC`97> my kindle paperwhite is coming today :D
[18:05] <AC`97> Tachyon`: only arm_freq, nothing else ??
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[18:14] <Enverex> RAW doesn't work for me unfortunately. Just tried compiling it on my desktop (few warnings, nothing critical) and I get:
[18:14] <Enverex> raw: bank.cpp:120: bool Bank::nextChunk(): Assertion `_iBuf >= _startBuf' failed. Aborted
[18:15] <Vanfanel> Enverex: I cross-compiled it here months ago...let me try and produce a binary
[18:15] <Vanfanel> (a Rpi binary :D)
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[18:15] <Enverex> (this is on my x86 desktop, just to see if it worked)
[18:16] <Vanfanel> just compiled for x86 before I told you about the sourceforge page and it builds fine
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[18:17] <Vanfanel> (I feared it didn't because it's a bit outdated, but it's fine)
[18:17] <Enverex> Weird, I cloned the SVN repo and tried building from that
[18:19] <Vanfanel> Enverex: just compiled a Rpi binary.. it works fine here
[18:20] <Enverex> Wonder if it's the version of GCC I'm using or something...
[18:20] <Vanfanel> do you want me to send the binary?
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[18:21] <Vanfanel> what's your version?
[18:21] <Enverex> More curious to known why it's not working on this desktop, heh. If it works on the Pi then I can compile it myself, just curious why it doesn't work on x86
[18:21] <Enverex> 4.7.2
[18:21] <Enverex> 64bit
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[18:22] <Vanfanel> it's 4.6.3 on the Pi
[18:22] <Datalink> ....
[18:22] <Vanfanel> and it compiles well there
[18:22] * Datalink stares at the silibus for a course...
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[18:22] <Vanfanel> just compile it on the Pi: it takes a few seconds :)
[18:22] <Datalink> majority of this is posting on forums and wikis and related work... I don't do so well with those x.x
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[18:23] <Vanfanel> Enverex: but DON'T run it on the SDL X11 backend... that's slow and laggy. Use the SDL fb backend for now..
[18:23] <Enverex> Vanfanel, You're missing the point, I'm not trying to cross compile. I wanted to run it on here, heh
[18:24] <Enverex> (which isn't a Pi)
[18:24] <Vanfanel> Enverex: ah, ok! I though you were in for some Pi+Amiga love! :)
[18:25] <Enverex> Vanfanel, Well I will probably put it on the Pi, but as I said, I want to know why it doesn't work on this x86 desktop, I'm assuming it's because either it's 64bit or a newer GCC issue.
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[18:26] <Vanfanel> Enverex: I'm x86_64 here and it builds fine. I believe it's down to the compiler version then
[18:26] <Enverex> Hrm must be. Odd that it compiles fine but just doesn't run.
[18:27] <Enverex> Just for reference, this is what I get - https://xnode.org/paste/40
[18:27] <Vanfanel> wait, I haven't run it on the x86, but on the Pi :D
[18:27] <Vanfanel> this is crazy, sorry
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[18:28] <Vanfanel> Enverex: I git it working on x86_64 here, too
[18:28] <Vanfanel> *got
[18:29] <Vanfanel> Enverex: what distro are you using? I know it's a long shot, but...
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[18:29] <Enverex> Arch
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[18:30] <Vanfanel> I'm on Lubuntu 12.10. It's an internal RAW code assertion check anyway
[18:31] <Vanfanel> well, run it on the Pi, it's sure to work! :D
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[18:31] <Enverex> lol, will indeed try
[18:32] <Enverex> Back in a bit
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[18:45] <intelminer> Props to the Pi team for getting the Pi open sourced, now let's get that in to the mainline kernel so we can give the Sheevaplug a run for its money
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[18:47] <scummos> wait, since when is the pi hardware open?
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[18:47] <Datalink> scummos, VideoCore ARM side drivers where opensourced today
[18:48] <scummos> ooh
[18:48] <scummos> awesome
[18:48] <scummos> so we have a chance to disable VideoCore? :))
[18:48] <Datalink> possibly...
[18:48] <Datalink> depends on how much the ARM relies on it for life suppor
[18:48] <Datalink> support*
[18:49] <scummos> :)
[18:49] <intelminer> What are you guys running that needs...32MB more memory?
[18:50] <scummos> intelminer: the video core is stealing CPU cycles
[18:50] <scummos> which prevents realtime applications
[18:50] <intelminer> Aah
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[18:50] <intelminer> Is it that bad, though?
[18:50] <scummos> well it's not realtime :)
[18:51] <scummos> it can take the memory/CPU away from you any time
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[18:58] <Sonny_Jim> Has anyone tried to cross compile gnuradio rather than compiling on the Pi itself?
[18:59] <muxe> Hi. I have have a webcam (046d:08d9 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam IM/Connect) which works great on my laptop (lubuntu) but on the raspberry it contains image errors. so the cam gets recognized and I do get images and some of them are okay but most of the images contain errors like wrong colours or the image is "shifted". any ideas?
[18:59] <Sonny_Jim> Managed to get rtl_sd working but I haven't got enough space to go for the full compile of GNU Radio
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[19:00] <Sonny_Jim> muxe: How are you grabbing the images from the webcam?
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> Is it on a powered hub muxe ?
[19:00] <muxe> SpeedEvil: yes
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[19:00] <muxe> Sonny_Jim: streamer, motion, guvcview
[19:00] <muxe> all the same
[19:01] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried without the hub?
[19:01] <muxe> yes, its the same
[19:01] <Sonny_Jim> Very odd
[19:01] <Sonny_Jim> Does sound like a PSU issue if it's happening randomly
[19:01] <[SLB]> you want to capture still frames?
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[19:02] <muxe> [SLB]: in the end, yes. i want to do timelapses
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[19:03] <muxe> Sonny_Jim: sorry, whats PSU?
[19:03] <[SLB]> hm motion gives you the timelapse in a movie format already, for frames you may want to try fswebcam see how it behaves for your cam
[19:03] <[SLB]> i tried some of them http://www.slblabs.com/2012/09/26/rpi-webcam-stream
[19:03] <Squirm> muxe: Power Supply Unit
[19:04] <muxe> it's a 700mah psu I already had (from a smartphone), i have a a 1A ordered but waiting on it
[19:05] <Sonny_Jim> I don't think 700mA is enough
[19:05] <muxe> the docs say it should be
[19:05] <muxe> [SLB]: ill give fswebcam a try
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[19:05] <[SLB]> okes
[19:05] <muxe> but I dont think its a software problem, since it's the same with every other tool
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[19:08] <[SLB]> and streamer did you mean mjpeg-streamer or is it a different one?
[19:09] <muxe> just "streamer"
[19:09] <[SLB]> ah ok eheh
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[19:13] <FUZxxl> Hello!
[19:14] <FUZxxl> I've configured my netowrk using /etc/network/interfaces. How can I turn of autoconfig for IPv6?
[19:14] <FUZxxl> My current config uses the manual mode for ipv6 but I still get unwanted adresses via autoconf.
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[19:23] <[SLB]> you mean dhcp?
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[19:35] <aaa801> ReggieUK: were attempting to build that 'driver' for android
[19:37] <rymate1234> :o
[19:37] <rymate1234> OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS
[19:38] <aaa801> they arnt full drivers
[19:38] <aaa801> its just userland
[19:38] <aaa801> -.-'
[19:38] <aaa801> however, it should just be enouth to get android working..
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[19:38] <rymate1234> "As of right now, all of the VideoCore driver code which runs on the ARM is available under a FOSS license (3-Clause BSD to be precise)."
[19:38] <muxe> thanks and bye for now ;)
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[19:41] <ToadKing> not sure if just building the drivers for android support will be enough
[19:41] <ToadKing> because i don't see broadcom's gralloc library anywhere in there
[19:41] <ToadKing> probably not released yet
[19:41] <ToadKing> /s/drivers/libraries/
[19:42] <ToadKing> i hope they eventually make the gralloc stuff usable on vanilla linux though, that means straight blitting to graphics memory, no copying overhead
[19:42] <ToadKing> would make stuff like SDL have a lot less overhead
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[19:44] <mrlespaulman> Hello, how do I chek my current memory split?
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[19:45] <aaa801> rymate1234: have you actualy seen the code, its just freking rpc calls to the gpu firmware
[19:45] <aaa801> no improvements attall can be made
[19:45] <rymate1234> oh lol
[19:45] <aaa801> it does have a android build option in it tho
[19:46] <ToadKing> sure you can't improve much on the GL/VG stuff much
[19:46] <ToadKing> but a lot of the EGL stuff seems abstracted in the ARM code
[19:46] <ToadKing> plus now we have a better look at how dispmanx works
[19:47] <ToadKing> one improvement i can see; caching uniform locations for shaders
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[19:47] <ToadKing> ran into that performance bug in my app, each call to glUniform* made a huge stall
[19:47] <ToadKing> because it regrabbed it from the GPU each time
[19:47] <ToadKing> which it only needs to be done each shader compile
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[19:48] <rymate1234> " the BCM2835 used in the Raspberry Pi is the first ARM-based multimedia SoC with fully-functional, vendor-provided (as opposed to partial, reverse engineered) fully open-source drivers"
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[19:48] <rymate1234> lmao
[19:48] <aaa801> twitch
[19:48] <aaa801> /home/mathijs/userland/interface/khronos/ext/egl_khr_image_client.c:46:26: fatal error: gralloc_brcm.h: No such file or directory
[19:48] <aaa801> twitch..
[19:48] <ToadKing> yeah, probably not released yet
[19:48] <ToadKing> like i said, the gralloc library isn't there
[19:48] <aaa801> TWITCH
[19:49] <ToadKing> will probably be released with the official android from bc
[19:51] <zgreg> it's awesome that people do nothing but complain about the source release
[19:51] <ToadKing> the thing is i bet none of them actually do development on the board, just want another device running android
[19:51] <ToadKing> either that or they're from the Church of Stallman, everything must be free (as in freedom)
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[19:53] <aaa801> zgreg: if it actualy had all of the files that were needed it would be great
[19:53] <zgreg> not exactly, some mesa developers also complained.
[19:53] <ToadKing> it does have everything needed, just not for android, which isn't ready yet
[19:53] <zgreg> sure it's not a real driver, but it's still not "worthless" as many claim
[19:55] <zgreg> well, I guess the real problem is that the press got it wrong (e.g. moronix and so on)
[19:55] <aaa801> Eben emailed me refering to android too, just hit him back about gralloc, see what happens ;)
[19:56] <ToadKing> wait, people still listen to the phoronix guy?
[19:57] <aaa801> Eben has been great help tbh
[19:57] <zgreg> ToadKing: yes, far too many people
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[20:00] <zgreg> aaa801: well, you could just reimplement gralloc yourself, though :)
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[20:03] <ToadKing> talking with another guy about this and he brings up a good point: do you really want the super-weak ARM chip on the rpi doing complex graphics computation?
[20:03] <ToadKing> even simple ones, i say the more the gpu handles the better
[20:03] <zgreg> obviously?
[20:04] <zgreg> but it's not that easy; 2D is hard to do via a 3D pipeline
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[20:04] <ToadKing> well then i guess this just boils down to people wanting the firmware open, which i don't see happening anytime soon
[20:04] <zgreg> unless you change the rendering model itself
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[20:06] <zgreg> fast graphics won't really help that much, to be honest. the cpu is the real bottleneck.
[20:06] <zgreg> even if we had top-notch 2d graphics drivers, the pi would still be a crappy desktop replacement
[20:09] <Syliss> i think if google drops the n7 8gb model price down to $100, ill sell my raspberry pi and lap dock to buy it
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not sure how much of that is the limitation of the hardware itself and how much of that is just people running software designed for modern desktops. Perhaps people will start developing software designed with raspberry pi in mind and things might change. =/
[20:09] <ToadKing> lynx ought to be enough for anyone :P
[20:10] <ShiftPlusOne> exactly =D
[20:10] <Matt> zgreg: desktop environments used to be perfectly usable on slower systems
[20:10] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: well, data sets are much bigger and more complicated to process nowadays, and people have higher expectations compared to e.g. a decade ago
[20:10] <ToadKing> but yeah i don't see any of the webkit-based web browsers out there being good on the pi
[20:10] <zgreg> Matt: same for you
[20:10] <ToadKing> because webkit is big and complicated
[20:10] * Matt blames modern bloat
[20:11] <Matt> prime example:
[20:11] <Matt> 31201 matt 20 0 1868m 696m 16m S 5 23.2 345:32.27 firefox
[20:11] <Matt> 22388 matt 20 0 4782m 666m 14m S 5 22.2 662:32.48 thunderbird
[20:11] <zgreg> best example is web browsing. HTML/CSS/JS is an extremely complex mess, and modern websites make good use of all the features browsers offer
[20:11] * Matt hands zgreg a copy of netscape navigator
[20:12] <zgreg> Matt: and the sad thing is that firefox is probably the most memory efficient browser at the moment :D
[20:12] <zgreg> at least on the desktop
[20:12] <Matt> and fvwm :)
[20:12] * Matt flashes back 15 years
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[20:13] <ShiftPlusOne> zgreg, I hear that a lot, but I tend to leave my browser open 24/7 with tabs used pretty much as bookmarks. After a while firefox would get really derpy and use up more and more memory. Chrome just doesn't do that. At least for me, chrome seems to be much better.
[20:14] <Matt> I used to have a pair of tektronix X Terminals
[20:14] <Matt> black and white displays
[20:14] <zgreg> ShiftPlusOne: I don't have this problem (anymore)
[20:14] <Matt> with 10Mbps ethernet
[20:14] <Matt> they were slow, but with the right WM, were actually rather useful
[20:14] <Matt> and they were silent
[20:15] <zgreg> you also have to keep in mind that many firefox addons leak memory. this problem should be mostly sorted out now as well, but not completely
[20:16] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm, fair enough
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[20:16] <Kane> o/
[20:17] <zgreg> at least firefox doesn't break completely like chrome, if you open too many tabs
[20:17] <Kane> (this +r flag is annoying, my auto-join passe before the registration with nickserv and i always forgot to come after >_<)
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[20:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Still, that's the kind of reactive attitude which damaged IE's reputation. They blamed the users for the memory leaks with their "just disable extensions you're not using" and refused to accept that there was a problem for a long while. Seems like their effort to fix the problem only came about as a reaction to chrome.
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[20:19] <zgreg> firefox definitely stagnated a bit due to chrome
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[20:19] <Matt> Kane: IIRC, you can send the password when you connect, by connecting with a server password
[20:19] <zgreg> but mozilla devs first tried to fix all popular addons for a while. it didn't work out...
[20:19] <scummos> well that's not very surprising if you change your major version number every 2 days
[20:19] <zgreg> how is that related?
[20:20] <biberao> yoyoyo
[20:20] <Sv> version number changes nothing
[20:20] <Sv> it used to be the same
[20:20] <Sv> just with minor revision numbers
[20:20] <Kane> i'm, maybe i have not well configured my client, thanks for the hint Matt
[20:20] <scummos> doesn't it disable all the addons, requiring the maintainers to change the version number?
[20:20] <zgreg> scummos: no, not anymore
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[20:21] <Matt> Kane:
[20:21] <Matt> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[20:22] <zgreg> the basic issues with the approach employed by mozilla first is that many addons have questionable code quality. if mozilla helps the maintainers to fix one leak, the maintainer later adds two new ones...
[20:22] <Kane> thanks Matt :)
[20:23] <mrlespaulman> just out of curiousity...
[20:23] <mrlespaulman> should building/making programs take so long on the pi?
[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on the program, but yes.
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[20:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I recommend crosscompiling.
[20:24] <mrlespaulman> Its been building libretro-super for 30 minutes or so now.
[20:25] <zgreg> yes, it is that slow
[20:25] <Datalink> well, one of my friends just admitted his on reason to avoid the Pi is now gone... with the ARM driver release... so yay
[20:25] <mrlespaulman> lol just making sure
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[20:26] <zgreg> sometimes slow sd card i/o slows you down even further
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[20:26] <zgreg> an external usb hdd or an NFS export might help
[20:26] <mrlespaulman> I would imagine it doesnt help doing everything via SSH, either
[20:27] <zgreg> that doesn't matter, really
[20:27] <Datalink> I need to slap a HD on my pi soon
[20:27] <scummos> zgreg: oh well, okay then
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[20:28] <biberao> Datalink: ?
[20:28] <mrlespaulman> hmmm, getting a lot of 'warnings' during SNES9x build
[20:28] <zgreg> mrlespaulman: scp can go up to 4-5 MB/s, just compare that with the few kb/s you might have with a shell session compiling something
[20:28] <Datalink> biberao, I use my Pi a lot, so long term thought
[20:29] <mrlespaulman> wow thats quite a difference
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[20:30] <mrlespaulman> oh and also:
[20:30] <mrlespaulman> why in the world is my /boot/ dir empty?
[20:30] <mrlespaulman> any guesses?
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> normally you would mount your fat32 partition there
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> on a typical system that where the bootloader, kernel and all that is kept. Since raspberrypi doesn't work that way, it doesn't really matter.
[20:31] <mrlespaulman> I thought that was where all the ,elf files and config.txt should be
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[20:33] <mrlespaulman> However I do have a /boot.bak dir that has those things in it.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> evening ...
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> can anyone here do a quick GIT test for me?
[20:35] <Matt> mrlespaulman: run the "mount" command and see if there's anything mounted on /boot
[20:35] <Matt> gordonDrogon: 'sup?
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> Matt, just had a report or 2 of people not being able to get stuff from my GIT host... can you cd /tmp/ ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi for me?
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> mrlespaulman, df -h is sometimes less confusing than the output of mount...
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[20:37] <Matt> gordonDrogon: works just fine
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[20:37] <rikkib> Same here works fine
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> Matt, thanks. rikkib thanks too.
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> my suspicion is they they've typod something, but I just wanted to be sure!
[20:39] <wietze> now that the video driver is opensourced (if I understand correctly); may I assume that players other than omxplayer will eventually be able to use the hardware acceleration for video playback?
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[20:39] <gordonDrogon> wietze, no reason why not...
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[20:40] <gordonDrogon> it'll just take some time for the people who're into that sort of thing to catch up and get to grips with it all.
[20:40] <zgreg> wietze: support in players doesn't depend on this source release
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[20:40] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Tested my RPi with stm32flash yesterday. I can flash my stm32v boards from my RPi. Next stage hook up serial and spi to the stm32v
[20:40] <zgreg> the real problem is that openmax is very hard and unpleasant to work with
[20:40] <wietze> I see
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[20:40] <zgreg> you see, it is an "industry standard" ;)
[20:41] <wietze> I am still hoping some other player than omxplayer could be used to play stuff with
[20:41] <wietze> omxplayer seems to have some problems when streaming off the network here :/
[20:41] <atouk> one step at a time. remember the berlin wall. it all started with "limited" democracy. Now we get "limited" open source. Lets just hope they decide to open the rest before a different project takes the spotlight
[20:41] <atouk> oops
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[20:42] <Matt> atouk: what would you like to see open that isn't yet?
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[20:44] <zgreg> I guess what people really want is low-level access to the gpu
[20:45] <zgreg> not a specific source release
[20:46] <Matt> which probably isn't likely to happen
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[20:46] <Matt> given that there's potential licensing/royalty issues there
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, if only I have 36 hours in the day to play with all the toys...
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[20:49] <BillyBag2> Can I control the volume on HDMI port.
[20:49] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, I have 16 hours or so :)
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[20:51] <zgreg> well, most of these people apparently want to do gpgpu-like stuff on the pi
[20:51] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Powered the stm32v board with the same dc-dc converter I am going to use to power the RPi. RPi 400mA stm32v 170mA 4 relays 450mA
[20:51] <zgreg> they are expecting too much IMHO, the gpu isn't that fast
[20:52] <BillyBag2> Can I control the volume on HDMI port?
[20:53] <Sonny_Jim> I have a strange idea. I'd like to attach my Pi to the 8K CMOS RAM used in my pinball table. I want to monitor certain memory locations (such as score) so I can use the Pi as an internet capable backend. How would I go about interfacing CMOS RAM to the Pi so I can read it?
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[20:53] <cave> hi, i am currently programming with the Adafruit WebIDE, is there a possibility to commit some changes to github, which are stored at the moment local and on bitbucket.
[20:54] <rikkib> #Set output to aux 0 auto 1 aux 2 hdmi
[20:54] <rikkib> printf "Setting Audio Output to Aux Speaker.\n"
[20:54] <rikkib> amixer cset numid=3 1
[20:54] <rikkib> printf "Setting Microphone Output Volume to Zero. (-123.50db)\n"
[20:54] <rikkib> amixer -c 1 cset numid=2 0
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, do you want to read it at the same time as the pincall machine is running?
[20:54] <rikkib> To set the volume use the command above but on the right setting
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> if so, then it's probably not going to be possible - easilly.
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon: Yes, which is the tricky part. Was thinking of mirroring it somehow. I only need to read rather than write
[20:55] <rikkib> man amixer
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, you'd need to put a latch and comparitor on the address-bus and a separate latch on the data bus - effectively creating a 1-byte RAM interface.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, then you can use the latch pulse to interrupt the Pi and arrange it to read the data latch..
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, it's a lot of extra hardware...
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> Plausible though?
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, the Pi don't have enough IO pins and can't read them fast enough to do it entirley passively.
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> It's only 8KB of battery backed RA<
[20:56] <Sonny_Jim> Ah, that was what I was fearing
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[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> What if it was only a few select locations in RAM I wanted to read?
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> rather than the whole lot
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, it all depends on the clock rate though.
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> It's very slow (by modern standards), 6809 running at 8MHz
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, well - an 8K Byte RAM needs 13 address lines.
[20:57] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#WPC_CPU
[20:57] * Sonny_Jim nods
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, sure, but the GPIO can only be sampled at 20MHz max.
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[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> Right, that would be 'bare metal' reads
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> probably.
[20:58] <Sonny_Jim> TBH I don't need to read it every cycle, just poll it occasionally
[20:58] <zgreg> I have a feeling the pi is the wrong choice for this kind of stuff
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> so 13 address bits plus 8 data bits - 21 bits needed.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> you could probably do it with an ATmega1280 or 2560...
[20:59] <zgreg> why such a huge mcu?
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[20:59] <gordonDrogon> IO pins and extra RAM.
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> more IO pins.
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> How many GPIO does the Model B come with?
[21:00] <zgreg> use a tiny mcu to do the raw work with critical timing, then use a pi for high-level tasks
[21:00] <Essobi> my MCU is huge in asia.
[21:00] <Essobi> :D
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> you could arrange the 13 bits of address to map to 2 8-bit registers and the data bus to map to another 8-bit register directly.
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> however it's TV time. back in an hour or so.
[21:01] <Sonny_Jim> No worries, thanks for the info gordonDrogon
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[21:03] <BillyBag2> Sorry, I do not know how to use amixer to set the volume on HDMI. Can you give me more info?
[21:05] <BillyBag2> What is the card number ?
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[21:07] <silly_> i'm doing something wrong... i've seen people play full hd on the rpi, but it stutters on mine at a dvd quality flick
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[21:08] <asaru> bad sd card perhaps?
[21:08] <silly_> asaru, harddisk.
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[21:09] <asaru> yes but os running off sd card?
[21:09] <asaru> or just /boot
[21:09] <axion> local to rpi or network?
[21:09] <silly_> why should this be an issue? it runs mostly from ram
[21:09] <mrlespaulman> silly_: Are you streaming the video over a network or locally?
[21:09] <silly_> local to rpi
[21:09] <axion> does it have a high bitrate or use dts audio?
[21:09] <silly_> axion, nope
[21:09] <silly_> stereo
[21:10] <asaru> i have an issue with one of my pis where i can only get about 40k/s transfer rate between pi and an external usb drive with its own power supply
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[21:10] <axion> what bitrate video, and what does you config.txt look like?
[21:10] <asaru> wether it be lan transfers or ftp or sftp or whatever
[21:10] <mrlespaulman> What about your CPU/GPU split?
[21:10] <silly_> the processor load is at 100%
[21:10] <asaru> whats your memory split?
[21:10] <silly_> mrlespaulman, 256 each
[21:11] <axion> wow
[21:11] <mrlespaulman> oooo 512 total
[21:11] <mrlespaulman> im outdated now
[21:11] <silly_> yeah got the v2
[21:11] <Syliss> yep
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[21:12] <silly_> maybe i should overclock it a bit..
[21:12] <axion> silly_: something is not right, what software are yo uusing to play?
[21:12] <mrlespaulman> what distro are you running?
[21:12] <silly_> axion, vlc
[21:12] <silly_> on raspian
[21:12] <BillyBag2> How is it encoded ?
[21:12] <axion> silly_: have you tried omxplayer just to confirm? or even xbmc?
[21:12] <silly_> mpgeg2
[21:13] <silly_> not yet
[21:13] <silly_> i wanted to use arch, but could not get the wifi up
[21:13] <axion> oh peg2
[21:13] <axion> mpeg2
[21:13] <silly_> *mpeg2 yeag
[21:14] <axion> did you buy the codec?
[21:14] <silly_> no?
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[21:15] <silly_> i did only install the gstreamer plugins
[21:15] <ShiftPlusOne> you need to either buy the codec for a few follars or encode to a different format
[21:15] <axion> this is not a newer video format. mpeg2 decoding is done in software. the rpi decodes more modern video formats with the gpu. the rp foundation is selling codecs for mpeg2 if you want it in hardware
[21:15] <Matt> silly_: without licensing the mpeg2 codec, you're not going to be able to playback mpeg2
[21:16] <Matt> there's just not enough grunt in the CPU
[21:16] <silly_> ah, ok
[21:16] <silly_> how about mp4?
[21:16] <mrlespaulman> hey quick question for you guys:
[21:16] <Matt> if you pay a couple of quid, you'll get mpeg2
[21:16] <axion> depends on the implemenation of the standard
[21:16] <Matt> and it works nicely
[21:16] <axion> ie, h264 or other
[21:16] <mrlespaulman> how do I check my current CPU/GPU split?
[21:16] <Matt> or, as axion says, you can encode your video in h264
[21:17] <japro> mrlespaulman, free
[21:17] <mrlespaulman> I'm not sure what I'm seeing when I run free
[21:18] <NullMoogleCable> wait so the BCM2835 is now fully open sourced?
[21:18] <japro> it tells you what the total (cpu accessible) memory is
[21:18] <japro> so obviously the rest will belong to the gpu :D
[21:18] <axion> mrlespaulman: do you have a 256 or 512 pi?
[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> NullMoogleCable, everything that runs on the CPU, the GPU for,ware is still closed
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[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> *firmware
[21:19] <japro> which means we still cant hack gpgpu stuff *cry*
[21:19] <mrlespaulman> Ah, it says 124176 so I'm assuming I'm still on 128/128
[21:19] <mrlespaulman> I can't for the life of me figure out how to switch to 192/64
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[21:19] <silly_> ok, now running mp4v 288*160, mp4a 4800hz 2 channels
[21:19] <axion> mrlespaulman: head -n1 /proc/meminfo
[21:19] <silly_> that works well
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[21:20] <NullMoogleCable> does this mean Jazelle too?
[21:20] <ter0_> um guys anyone has mpeg2 sample file that could I use on rpi to check if my mpeg2 license is working?
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[21:21] <silly_> sry, my uprate is 10kbs..
[21:22] <mrlespaulman> and mine is 3bps...
[21:22] <ter0_> any ideas where to find on the internet?
[21:22] <ter0_> legal one of course
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> NullMoogleCable, I don't think jazelle is relevant here.
[21:23] <japro> you could transcode the example in hello video with ffmpeg
[21:23] <japro> on the pi :D
[21:23] <silly_> just google mpeg2 sample files?
[21:23] <japro> should only take a week or so
[21:23] <mrlespaulman> lol
[21:23] <zgreg> NullMoogleCable: what do you want with jazelle?
[21:23] <zgreg> jazelle is 150% useless
[21:23] <IT_Sean> Who's jazelle?
[21:23] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:23] <silly_> ok, now the video is frozen, and the audio keeps playing
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> there was nothing in the closed source drivers which was preventing jazelle from being used
[21:24] <zgreg> guess why arm removed it in the cortex series :)
[21:24] <silly_> raspian is not very stable yet it seems
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, a java instruction set for the cpu.
[21:24] <IT_Sean> Oooooh
[21:24] <ter0_> hmm
[21:24] <ter0_> i found one
[21:24] <NullMoogleCable> i always wanted to play with jazelle but never found anything as its all closed
[21:24] <ter0_> but only sound works in omxplayer :(
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> But you seem to need some non-existant or licensed VM to actually use it or something.
[21:25] <zgreg> as far as I know, only some older featurephone VMs ever used jazelle
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[21:25] <zgreg> jazelle's only advantage is that it may speed up application start
[21:26] <zgreg> and that can be worked around by caching jit-ed code, if it becomes an issue
[21:26] <silly_> mp3 playback 192kbs stereo: 68% cpu load..
[21:27] <ter0_> dvd movies are mpeg2 right?
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[21:27] <NullMoogleCable> ARM DDI 0225 A six-stage (six clock cycle) pipeline is used in Jazelle state, consisting of Fetch,
[21:27] <NullMoogleCable> Jazelle/Decode (two clock cycles), Execute, Memory, and Writeback stages
[21:27] <silly_> ter0_, yes
[21:27] <zgreg> silly_: what are you using for playback?
[21:27] <Matt> ter0_: yup
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[21:27] <silly_> zgreg, vlc
[21:27] <ter0_> hmm ok now to google how to play dvds on rpi :)
[21:27] <NullMoogleCable> something like a 8-bit Java bytecode used in Jazelle state
[21:28] <silly_> vlc is rather light imho
[21:28] <axion> no, DVD-Video spec can allow MPEG-1 as well
[21:28] <zgreg> silly_: vlc doesn't support hardware acceleration on the pi, though
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> probably best to use omxplayer for everything
[21:28] <silly_> zgreg, ah, ok
[21:28] <zgreg> silly_: still, mp3 should not take that much cpu
[21:28] <silly_> zgreg, wll
[21:29] <silly_> ill install moc then
[21:29] <zgreg> maybe debian/raspbian messed up something, and the mp3 decoder is not properly optimized for armv6
[21:30] <silly_> could be, i'll try aac next
[21:30] <zgreg> NullMoogleCable: well, the problems with jazelle are twofold
[21:31] <zgreg> NullMoogleCable: first, java bytecode isn't terribly well optimized. but jazelle directly executes the bytecode.
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[21:31] <zgreg> NullMoogleCable: second, jazelle only implements the most common opcodes in hardware. other opcodes raise a cpu exception and most be implemented in ARM code - that is very expensive
[21:32] <silly_> are there any 3d games for the rpi yet?
[21:32] <silly_> wanna see the gpu in action xD
[21:32] <NullMoogleCable> but cant you run a optimizer on java bytecode?
[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> quake... what else do you need?
[21:33] <silly_> ShiftPlusOne, perrrect
[21:33] <silly_> quake 3 even. im surprised
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[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> really? that's where a lot of the hype that got people interested in pi came from.
[21:34] <silly_> overall the rpi is about as fast as a singlecore atom. with a better gpu. niiice
[21:34] <zgreg> NullMoogleCable: possibly, but you lose the only advantage of jazelle that way. implementing a proper jit is the better choice.
[21:35] <zgreg> silly_: no way it's as fast a a single atom :)
[21:35] <silly_> ShiftPlusOne, i honestly bought it to use as a cups sever.
[21:35] <silly_> but now i want to play a little around
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[21:35] <NullMoogleCable> the main issue i see is this. we are just told what it can and cant do without experimenting for ourselfs
[21:36] <silly_> is there an super famicon emu as well?
[21:36] <silly_> ?
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[21:37] <NullMoogleCable> Jazelle V1 Architecture Reference Manual (ARM DDI 0225). is what i would kill for :)
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[21:38] <silly_> can i copy the quake data from a steam installation on my win machine?
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see why not
[21:38] <silly_> neat
[21:39] <silly_> what else is there i should try out? :D
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[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> if you like triangles (who doean't!?) there are a few demos in /opt/vc/src
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> *doesn't
[21:41] <zgreg> NullMoogleCable: it might be more interesting to improve the existing ARM JITs...
[21:43] * silly_ compiles
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[21:43] <zgreg> NullMoogleCable: the jazelle benchmarks I found on the web didn't look promising. it's not much faster than an interpreter in practice.
[21:44] <silly_> error 1
[21:44] <silly_> lol
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[21:45] <silly_> well, the tiger works
[21:45] <ter0_> ok .vob file from a dvd works :)
[21:46] <ter0_> i guess then mpeg2 works
[21:46] <silly_> gz
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[21:47] <silly_> raspian is neat. but i still miss good old pacman
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[21:49] <Sv> ?
[21:49] <IT_Sean> ??
[21:50] <Matt> silly_: apt doesn't do it for you? :)
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[21:50] <silly_> does omxplayer have a gui option?
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[21:51] <geordie> silly_: not as far as i know.
[21:51] <geordie> that would be a cool project
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[21:52] <biberao> hi
[21:53] <silly_> heh, moc takes 80% cpu for mp3
[21:55] <ter0_> does omxplayer have subtitles? or how can I add subtitles?
[21:56] <Sv> it should be able to use subtitles since mplayer supports them
[21:56] <Sv> i forgot what the keys are
[21:57] <BurtyB> acetate film and a marker pan
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[21:57] <Mehhh> Does newark always take forever to ship?
[21:57] <peba> hi
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[21:58] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[21:59] <peba> How can I check the revison of my raspberry pi with cat /proc/cpuinfo - I get revison 0002 with both my old board and my pretty new one
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[22:02] <rikkib> I think you need new firmware
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[22:04] <rikkib> I recall something about revision numbers on the RPi forums
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[22:05] <rikkib> Some boards were produced without changing the rev #
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[22:06] <atouk> what's on the usb polyfuses
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> writing.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> peba, 0002 is a Rev 1 board.
[22:08] <D34TH> ahh, its been a while since i was here
[22:08] <atouk> oh and ecuated man. and how do we tell it they're made from a witch or a duck
[22:08] <bircoe> <silly_> gz
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[22:08] <bircoe> <silly_> raspian is neat. but i still miss good old pacman
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[22:08] <bircoe> <Sv> ?
[22:08] <bircoe> <IT_Sean> ?
[22:08] <bircoe> <Matt> silly_: apt doesn't do it for you? :)
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[22:08] <bircoe> <silly_> does omxplayer have a gui option?
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[22:09] <D34TH> oh god
[22:09] <bircoe> <geordie> silly_: not as far as i know.
[22:09] <bircoe> <geordie> that would be a cool project
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[22:09] <D34TH> bircoe, type /sp
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[22:09] <peba> @gordon: I got a brand new one with 512 MB which shows 0002 revision Code !?
[22:09] <D34TH> peba which place did you get it from?
[22:10] <peba> its made in uk - from RS
[22:10] <rikkib> The way to tell is to read the number on the chip
[22:10] <atouk> mounting holes?
[22:11] <peba> yes got mounting holes
[22:11] <rikkib> look for G and a number
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[22:11] <silly_> i got 0002 too. and its a 512
[22:11] <rikkib> Some boards were produced without changing the rev #
[22:11] <peba> the thing is /proc/cpuinfo delivers no sensible information
[22:12] <[diecast]> yes, i had a board like that which showed 0000
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[22:13] <rikkib> New Rev # is 5 if my memory has not failed me
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, it's 5 if it's been programmed wrong, or 000f for a 512MB one.
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> I think they've just cocked up somewhere along the line.
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> and 0002 should not be a rev 2 board - software that checks is going to really get it wrong if it relies on it and it's wrong.
[22:16] <rikkib> See Gordon has a better memory than I.
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> it's pretty essential to know if you're on a Rev 1 or Rev 2 when plying with some of the GPIO pins ..
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[22:18] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Yes... I can understand your interest. My interest is from the other point of view.
[22:19] <rikkib> I can handle the issue. New users will not.
[22:19] <[diecast]> that was the case with my board as well, had to change it from 0000 to 0002 before gpio software worked
[22:19] <biberao> hi
[22:20] <biberao> does anyone run xbmc?
[22:20] <axion> sure
[22:20] <DeliriumTremens> yes
[22:20] <biberao> and sportsdevil?
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> I've fixed wiringPi now - well fixed in that if it's 0002 or 0003 then it's a Rev 1 boar - anything else is Rev 2.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> However is that board is 0002 and is a Rev 2 then there goes that idea )-:
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[22:21] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, you could probabably put a wiringPi.conf in /etc/
[22:21] <DeliriumTremens> i dont use sportsdevil
[22:21] <halindrome> is there any distributor who has the 512mb boards available right now?
[22:21] <perryh> just got 2x rpi from newark!! :)
[22:21] <biberao> i wanted to know if the streaming goes fluid running on the pi DeliriumTremens
[22:22] <Datalink> halindrome, last I checked, Adafruit for the US
[22:22] <DeliriumTremens> biberao: i havent streamed anything that isnt local to my network
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, yea, but it would be nice to be able to detect the board for the user in-case they don't know.
[22:22] <biberao> oh ok thanks DeliriumTremens
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> then again, some people are still using the BCM_GPIO numbers, so will have to change their code to cater for the 21->27 pin change...
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[22:23] <silly_> btw, how do i update the firmware?
[22:23] <axion> pacman -Syu
[22:23] <axion> hehe
[22:23] <BillyBag2> There were some GPIOs that had a rev code on them. These were dropped in 2.0. If the GPIO has a rev 1.0 code its probably a 1.0.
[22:24] <silly_> axion, i wish i got wifi working under archarm..
[22:24] <halindrome> Datalink: when I checked adafruit they were only selling them with the starter pack... and I don't need any of that stuff
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> silly_, raspian? apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade (as root)
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> BillyBag2, probably, but those pins are now avalable for general purpose use, so can't be relied on now.
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[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> Yay, well my USB DVB-T dongle works as an FM tuner, after a bit of messing around with rtl_sdr
[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> Uses about 40% CPU though
[22:29] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, well, yeah, you create the file, then someone can fix it if needed...
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, I'll leave it as it is for now. might allow an environment variable to override the auto detection though.
[22:31] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, it irks me that more stuff isn't defined, I'd like it if I could set a variable for omxplayer in .profile, for example
[22:31] <Datalink> I may edit that one's script in the long run though
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[22:32] * gordonDrogon nods.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> since wiringPi is a library, looking at environment variables is ok - actually, I already do it for debugging stuff...
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> if you export WIRINGPI_DEBUG then it'll start printing some stuff to the screen :)
[22:34] <Datalink> ah the garbage flag... nice
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[22:36] <henle> ter0_: omxplayer supports embedded text subtitles. If you want to display srt files, you can try this patched version: https://github.com/torarin/omxplayer/downloads
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[22:43] * Datalink compiles the drivers before diving into their code...
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[22:49] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Have I offered you my daemon as a simple example for your examples? I need to remove some commented out code and can send it to you. I resume I can find your email easy enough if I look.
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, what does it do?
[22:50] <devinus> is there ANYWHERE i can buy a pi right now?
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> devinus, tandy probably still have stock for next working day..
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> if you're in the UK/Europe..
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[22:51] <devinus> they dont ship to the US?
[22:51] <axion> i heard they're selling for double price on ebay
[22:51] <Laban> Why oh why can't I find a guide on how to build my own arch/raspbian image that will fit on a measly 1GB card? >_>
[22:51] <InControl> Tandy have 256MB at a reduced price, no 512s
[22:51] <rikkib> Monitors an input pin and then sets output pins and runs a couple of commands speech and wav file sort of stuff
[22:52] <rikkib> It is an early prototype for what I want to do but I do not know exactly the final specs
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, if you want to send it, I'll create a "contrib" section :)
[22:52] <devinus> so basically
[22:52] <devinus> there's not a single place i can buy raspberry pi's in the US?
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> devinus, adafruit out of stock too?
[22:53] <devinus> yes
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> is cpc over there or is it e14/farnell?
[22:53] <rikkib> OK I will package it up for you... The code is based on one of your examples
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, ok - just email projects@drogon.net
[22:53] <rikkib> Does not use interupts but polls.
[22:54] <geordie> anyone in canada or the us received their gertboard yet?
[22:54] <devinus> e14 out of stock
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> best to just place an oder and hang in there...
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[22:55] <DeliriumTremens> i ordered a 256 model back in september and was backordered for weeks
[22:55] <DeliriumTremens> good timing got me a 512 during initial ship :3
[22:56] <Draylor> heh, lucky
[22:56] <Sonny_Jim> Same here
[22:57] <Sonny_Jim> Ordered before the announcement, got the 512MB version
[22:57] <DeliriumTremens> ^
[22:57] <Sonny_Jim> Although I didn't know that you have to update the firmware to use it
[22:57] <DeliriumTremens> hah, that was the first thing i did
[22:57] <DeliriumTremens> i like...stumbled across that when getting my raspbian image
[22:57] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I downloaded the official rasbian build about 3 days ago and it didn't support the extra memory
[22:57] <Sonny_Jim> Had to use rpi-upadte
[22:58] <DeliriumTremens> then i put raspbmc on it, and got everything tweaked then realized it wasnt using all 512
[22:58] <DeliriumTremens> and had to start over
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[23:01] <perryh> will raspbian resize the FS parition on first boot? or will I have to resize it manually?
[23:01] <DeliriumTremens> i think it asks you if you want to expand out to the whole sd card
[23:01] <perryh> I'll be using Mike Thompson's pisces build
[23:01] <perryh> nice, thanks
[23:01] <perryh> I bought a nice class 10 16gb ;)
[23:02] <DeliriumTremens> likewise
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[23:04] <Enverex> Here's a tangenty question: Why does OpenGL ES exist? Why not just support OpenGL as a whole? I notice lots of comments about how powerful ARM GPUs are these days, yet it's always OpenGL ES support, never any normal OpenGL support...
[23:04] <rikkib> perryh, see github.com/asb raspi-config which is run at first startup
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[23:05] <Charun> I'm trying to help someone set up a sync remotely and he says he doesn't have rsync. Before I tell him can anyone confirm that apt-get install rsync will get it on debian? Or is there a repository he should add?
[23:06] <japro> Enverex, one of the reasons is probably that opengl carries a lot of legacy crap that would be a pain to implement
[23:06] <japro> GLES is the way cleaner api
[23:06] <rikkib> bencom:/tmp# apt-get install rsync
[23:06] <rikkib> Reading package lists... Done
[23:06] <rikkib> Building dependency tree
[23:06] <rikkib> Reading state information... Done
[23:06] <rikkib> rsync is already the newest version.
[23:06] <rikkib> Debian 6
[23:06] <Charun> thanks
[23:06] <japro> GLES3 is pretty much OpenGL for nonexotic use cases
[23:06] <Enverex> The reason I see it as an issue is whenever people are trying to port things, it always comes up that "it'll need to be changed to to use OpenGL ES instead of OpenGL"
[23:07] <axion> gles is only what is needed, not much more
[23:07] <japro> that wouldn't be much of an issue if they coded proper OpenGL to begin with honestly
[23:07] <japro> if you consistently use "modern" opengl the porting should be trivial
[23:08] <japro> obviously if you use legacy crap like immediate mode and display lists you are in for a lot of pain
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[23:08] <japro> GLES is pretty much a subset of the corresponding OGL version
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[23:10] <japro> i guess if you plan to release for GLES and OGL platforms just develop the gles stuff and you essentially get the ogl version for free
[23:10] <japro> and if you use lots of non gles features from modern opengl then that stuff would murder mobile platforms anyway
[23:10] <japro> tesellation etc
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[23:35] <Tachyon`> no xbmc-bin in raspbian armhf?
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[23:37] <Armand> Does anyone know a good/cheap UK source for a 12>5v regulator for the Pi ?
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[23:40] * plugwash has used the TSR1-2450 before with no problems
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[23:40] <plugwash> I dunno what your definition of cheap is for
[23:40] <plugwash> *though
[23:41] <Armand> I've seen one on ebay for less than ?4, but it's from China and I don't really want to wait around 3 weeks. :(
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[23:45] <Tachyon`> is that the one that can take up to 36v and give any voltage out
[23:45] <Tachyon`> with the pot
[23:46] <Tachyon`> if so, that was the only option I found (china) when looking for something for my bike
[23:46] <Armand> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-StepDown-Converter-Constant-Current-LED-Driver-Buck-Voltage-Regulator-Circuit-/261112313808?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item3ccb81b7d0
[23:46] <Tachyon`> well, other than sorting something out myself
[23:46] <Tachyon`> ah yes, same sort of thing
[23:46] <Armand> That's the one, I think, someone pointed me too... but, I can't wait that long.
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[23:47] <Tachyon`> I could find exactly nothing in the UK
[23:47] <Tachyon`> without buying components from maplin and soldering something up
[23:47] <Tachyon`> can you not find a cheap car cig lighter to usb phone adapter
[23:47] <Tachyon`> that might do the trick
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[23:48] <Armand> It's frustrating, as I'm only waiting on the Pi and 5V regulator.
[23:49] <Armand> I'm using 12v from a solar setup
[23:49] <Tachyon`> can you not just use a 7805
[23:49] <Tachyon`> if it's only 12v, heh
[23:49] <Tachyon`> it could run a spectrum, I'm sure it can run a pi
[23:50] <rikkib> Armand, Why constant current to power the rpi?
[23:50] <plugwash> Tachyon`, sure if you want to waste more than half the power
[23:50] <plugwash> and need a big lump of metal to dissipate said wasted power
[23:50] <Tachyon`> did you not notice the large regulator on the board he was already looking at
[23:50] <Tachyon`> heh
[23:50] <Armand> rikkib, to be honest.. I have no idea.. I'm not great with electronics.
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[23:51] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-PCS-LLOT-LM2596-DC-DC-Converter-Power-Supply-Buck-Step-Down-Module-4-40V-to/526499533.html
[23:51] <rikkib> I use this one
[23:51] <rikkib> no constant current
[23:51] <rikkib> just variable
[23:51] <Tachyon`> that's the same sort again, large regulator, I think plugwash there wants some sort of switching solution
[23:51] <Armand> Oh geez..
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[23:51] <Tachyon`> but I imagine that'd be fairly expensive
[23:52] <Armand> It is, plus there is still the excessive wait time.
[23:52] <Tachyon`> you can get a 7805 from maplins
[23:52] <rikkib> I have one of those on the bench here. I tested it on the RPi yesterday and all seemed fine
[23:53] <rikkib> I run it at 5.5v giving 4.75 arcoss tp1 & tp2
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[23:53] <KameSense> hi there, what brand of SD do you use ? My Kingston didn't even last 4 months
[23:53] <Tachyon`> do tp1/tp2 indicate the voltage presented to USB devices though
[23:53] <rikkib> 12v in from an old tait radio supply
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[23:53] <Tachyon`> I'd be a bit concerned going much over 5
[23:54] <Armand> Well, I want it stable.. :)
[23:54] <rikkib> Armand, Constant current is used for led strings and charging battries
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[23:54] <rikkib> Lion
[23:54] <Armand> Ahh.. I see.
[23:55] <rikkib> and gel cells and sla
[23:55] <biberao> hi
[23:55] <Armand> It's all a bit over my head. :P
[23:55] <Armand> I know I can put it together, if I have the kit..
[23:56] <Armand> It's just knowing the right parts.
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[23:57] <Armand> rikkib, would this be the same sort of thing then? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LM2596-DC-DC-Step-Down-Adjustable-Converter-Power-Supply-Module-/251101883932?_trksid=p2047675.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D333005%26algo%3DRIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D120%26meid%3D2975073515336629816%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D1070%26rk%3D5%26sd%3D190744123901%26
[23:57] <Armand> Apologies for the awful URL. -_-
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[23:58] <rikkib> Yep that is the same thing.
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[23:59] <rikkib> Your solar cell setup?
[23:59] <rikkib> How are you charging your batteries?
[23:59] <Armand> Ok.. I'm just trying to understand this.. Why is that one no good for the Pi ? Will it damage the board, or just not work?
[23:59] <rikkib> That is where the CC CV dc-dc converters come into play
[23:59] <Armand> I have a 20W panel, and a 12v/24v regulator

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