#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-25

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[0:00] <rikkib> cc constant current cv constant voltage
[0:00] <Armand> The battery is 12v deep cycle, 7Ah.
[0:00] <rikkib> Ahhh that is the one... And use just the cv dc-dc
[0:01] <Tachyon`> that's only 84Wh, might be worth getting a 12/17Ah one if you expect it to hold a fair bit
[0:01] <Armand> Tachyon`, I got the battery for nothing.. and, they aren't cheap. :(
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[0:01] <rikkib> At anywere between 400mA - 700mA those dc-dc converters will just cruise
[0:01] <Tachyon`> they're quite cheap
[0:02] <Tachyon`> I just bought 3 12Ahs for my bike
[0:02] <Armand> O_O
[0:02] <Tachyon`> they were under 20 pounds each, including postage
[0:02] <Armand> Sorry... this particular one isn't cheap. It's from a UPS.
[0:02] <Tachyon`> same ones
[0:02] <Tachyon`> just SLA batteries
[0:02] <Tachyon`> one sec
[0:02] <Armand> Ok
[0:03] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yuasa-NP12-12-12Ah-Sealed-Battery/dp/B002TUZM48/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1351116170&sr=8-8
[0:03] <Tachyon`> slightly more than mine was, but you get the idea
[0:03] <Armand> Sorry, rikkib.. you're saying, with the solar setup.. that second regulator I linked would be ok?
[0:03] <Tachyon`> and that's teh well known make
[0:03] <Tachyon`> for charging batteries, not for powering pi
[0:03] <Tachyon`> you want one with only one pot for the pi
[0:03] <rikkib> Armand, Yes.
[0:03] <Enverex> lol, I think that's the battery I have in my bike
[0:03] <Tachyon`> as the current consumption varies
[0:03] <Tachyon`> I have three of them in my bike, lol
[0:03] <Armand> right, gotcha.
[0:04] <Armand> So, the second one is fixed voltage, but variable amps.... so, that's good ?
[0:04] <Tachyon`> yes
[0:04] <Tachyon`> that's what you want
[0:05] <Armand> :)
[0:05] <Tachyon`> I have one of those on my bike to run the lights, takes 36V from the charger socket and gives out 5
[0:05] <Armand> Sorry if I'm a bit slow.. I haven't done an electronics project in about 19 years. :P
[0:05] <Armand> I feel old. -_-
[0:05] <Tachyon`> (well, and USB devices, not that I've added the ports yet)
[0:05] * Kripton is now known as kripton
[0:05] <Armand> Sounds like fun. :)
[0:05] <Tachyon`> well, actually it takes more like 40v from the charger socket
[0:06] <Tachyon`> because they always give a little more at full charge
[0:06] <Armand> :)
[0:06] <Tachyon`> had to buy a high voltage regulator because the standard ones are rated only up to 36 and they really mean it, current drops if you go over
[0:06] <Armand> I've got the panel, regulator and battery pack now.. it's a big lump of power. :P
[0:06] <Tachyon`> I need something like that when I get a wearable computer sorted out
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[0:07] <Tachyon`> a project by the way the pi is ideally suited to
[0:07] <Armand> I've seen. ;)
[0:07] <Tachyon`> you can even use the cheap horrible composite glasses
[0:07] <Tachyon`> although I wouldn't
[0:07] <Tachyon`> I wish google had made their glass dev kits available here
[0:07] <Tachyon`> only americans get them, most unfair -.-
[0:07] <Armand> Well, I'm not thinking beyond getting a Pi working at the moment..
[0:08] <Enverex> What are the giant batteries needed for then?
[0:08] <Tachyon`> I was just suggesting them as a better choice
[0:08] <Tachyon`> than a 7Ah one
[0:08] <Tachyon`> it's not important
[0:09] <Armand> Well.. I'll look at changing batteries at a later date.
[0:10] <Armand> http://uk.farnell.com/murata-power-solutions/oki-78sr-5-1-5-w36-c/dc-dc-converter-7-5w-single-o-p/dp/2102101
[0:10] <Armand> Someone pointed me to that?
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[0:11] <rikkib> Expensive
[0:11] <plugwash__> seems a reasonble device for powering a Pi
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[0:12] <asaru> does that generate less heat than an lm7805, given the same input voltage
[0:12] <rikkib> I can land the Chinese dc-dc converters for $4 of less
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[0:13] <plugwash__> It's a switcher so far less heat especially at high input voltages
[0:13] <Armand> I was a bit confused, as it looks completely different..
[0:13] <Armand> I can't buy from farnell, which is completely >_<
[0:13] <asaru> right now im using a 12v supply to a 7809 then to a 7805, all this powers my 12v screen, 9v speakers, and 5v pi
[0:14] <asaru> looking for a better solution that will generate less heat
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[0:14] <asaru> but i know little to nothing about this sort of electronics
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[0:15] <Armand> Well, I just need to power the Pi with network port and SD card.. it will be headless.
[0:16] <Tachyon`> would 7.5W be sufficient? that's borderline isn't it
[0:16] <plugwash__> 7.5W at 5V is 1.5A
[0:16] <plugwash__> which is more than enough for a Pi
[0:16] * plugwash__ is now known as plugwash
[0:16] <Tachyon`> depends what you have in it, bluetooth/wifi and it might no longer be enough
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[0:17] <Tachyon`> oh mind, they're limited to 750mA on the input anyway, never midn
[0:17] <Tachyon`> I linked that out on mine, ehh
[0:17] <rikkib> That would be a max rating
[0:18] <Sv> eiowfjjiofgewjrg
[0:19] <Armand> Just noticed, there is another one with the LM2596 and it looks pretty much the same board.. states CC-CV..
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[0:21] <Amorsen> Are the new Pi's limited to 750mA still? I thought they just passed through whatever they received
[0:21] <Armand> It's an annoyance, as it's the only part I haven't bought yet.
[0:21] <Armand> I can only use Paypal.. and 3? weeks from China is too long.
[0:22] <rikkib> RPi has a polyfuse on the power in that triggers at 1.1A
[0:23] <rikkib> Buy local what you can find in China then you have time to plan ahead next time
[0:24] <Armand> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LM2596-DC-DC-Step-Down-CC-CV-Adjustable-Power-Supply-Module-Output-DC-1-5V-35V-/190744123901?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item2c693c59fd#shId
[0:25] <Armand> Ok, that's the last one.. It seems the same as previous.
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[0:26] <rikkib> Armand, How far are you away from China. In NZ stuff arrives within two weeks
[0:26] <Armand> UK
[0:26] <rikkib> Ahhh
[0:26] <Armand> Exactly. :(
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[0:34] <Rudde> So I ordered a RPI
[0:34] <Rudde> What can I use it for?
[0:34] <Hodapp> o_O
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[0:35] <des2> Wonderous things.
[0:35] <Rudde> I was thinking XBMC, but also netflix would be nice
[0:35] <Rudde> is there any combi solution?
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[0:35] <asaru> xbmc has netflix plugin doesnt it?
[0:35] <des2> Combi ?
[0:36] <Rudde> I don't think so?
[0:36] <Armand> So, rikkib.. why would someone recommend a CC regulator, if the load is variable ?
[0:36] <Rudde> I think I need Android for netflix
[0:36] <Armand> CV I can understand... but, as you say, I'm not charging a battery or running LEDs.
[0:37] <Rudde> and does RPI have HD audio output?
[0:37] <asaru> i found this
[0:37] <asaru> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=87552
[0:37] <asaru> for netflix on xbmc
[0:37] <asaru> dunno if it'll work on the pi though
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[0:38] <asaru> ah no linux playback support
[0:38] <Rudde> Yes I do know it has it on OSX and windows
[0:38] <asaru> i see netflix uses silverlight
[0:38] <Rudde> but I don't really think RPI will like that
[0:38] <asaru> that sucks
[0:38] <Mike-N-Go> Rudde: Did you take a look at the blog? Or googled "raspbery pi use"
[0:38] <Mike-N-Go> raspberry *
[0:38] <Rudde> nope
[0:38] <Rudde> I just ordered it :D
[0:38] <Mike-N-Go> It is recremended.
[0:38] <Rudde> It was fanzy
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[0:39] <Mike-N-Go> Use this domain as a spring board: http://elinux.org/RPi_Hub
[0:39] <Rudde> can I have dualboot on it?
[0:39] <Mike-N-Go> What do you want to boot?
[0:39] <asaru> berryboot
[0:40] <Mike-N-Go> It is as simple as powering down, putting in the other SD card, and powering up!
[0:40] <Rudde> XBMC and ICS
[0:40] <Enverex> Anyone seen any A15 dev board or know of any that are going to be available soon?
[0:40] <Mike-N-Go> Android for the Raspberry Pi does not have hardware graphics acceleration
[0:41] <Rudde> I was only thinking of running netflix in ICS
[0:41] <rikkib> Armand, No idea. Perhaps they do not know what the difference is and why they are used in different situations
[0:42] <Mike-N-Go> The pi does not have the necessary hardware DMA/equlivant. Netflix is a pain to get going; on any OS on the Pi (or so I have heard).
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[0:42] <des2> Netflix uses Microsoft silverlight.
[0:42] <Armand> Well, as you explain it.. having a fixed current is only suitable for a fixed load? Which the Pi is not?
[0:42] <rikkib> A flat battery looks like a short circuit to a charging circuit hence the need to restrict the current to the manufacturers recommendations
[0:43] <rikkib> Hence cc
[0:43] <Rudde> des2, it still has a android app
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[0:43] <des2> Yes it does.
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[0:43] <des2> But no Linux ones.
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[0:43] <Armand> Ok.. but, with the Pi, it just draws what it needs... so, must be a variable supply?
[0:44] <asaru> there is a silverlight clone for linux but it doesnt support ssl so you cant do netflix with it
[0:44] <asaru> its called moonlight
[0:44] <des2> (and this is one of the differences between Android and Linux)
[0:44] <Mike-N-Go> But I have not read if 'turbo boost' works on android on pi. Turbo boost dynamically overcooks, for more power. Article about turbo boost: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/20/raspberry-pi-turbo-mode-overclock-overvolt/
[0:44] <silly_> which graphic driver do i need on arch?
[0:44] * rikkib has to go to town.
[0:45] <Rudde> isnt android linux?
[0:46] <ReggieUK> kind of
[0:46] <Mike-N-Go> Android is based on linux.
[0:46] <ReggieUK> it uses linux kernels and some userland stuff
[0:46] <ReggieUK> but it's got java strapped to it
[0:47] <ReggieUK> and sql
[0:47] <Mike-N-Go> Rudde: You might get border-line ok performance with Android on Pi, if turbo mode words, but I have not done much research on it lately. And there are lots of stabilizes issues.
[0:47] <Rudde> but xbmc works fine?
[0:47] <Tachyon`> I had a 128MiB android MID at one poit
[0:47] <Tachyon`> well, for some value of fine
[0:47] <ReggieUK> the big issue was 2d desktop performance
[0:47] <Tachyon`> won't install at all in raspbian
[0:47] <chithead> I tried to build the newly released userland code but it failed: http://sprunge.us/EfLQ seems that install_vmcs is missing. did anybody else run into this problem?
[0:48] <Mike-N-Go> And Android is RAM hungry.. not a good idea to do Android on the 256 MB RAM model.
[0:48] <Tachyon`> and crashes after 4-6 tunes
[0:48] <Rudde> and why don't MS develop silverlight for linux
[0:48] <Tachyon`> with the distribtuion
[0:48] <Tachyon`> they did
[0:48] <Rudde> its retarded not to
[0:48] <Tachyon`> oh wait
[0:48] <Tachyon`> they didn't, that was mono
[0:48] <Tachyon`> but I don't think they even kept up with that
[0:48] <chithead> mono developed moonlight (now abandoned), but it was only a small subset of silverlight
[0:48] <Mike-N-Go> Rudde: Lack of synergy: Why would they drive customers to an out-of-band platform?
[0:48] * Mike-N-Go ducks out (afks)
[0:48] <silly_> anyone know the right video driver for arch on rpi? lspci does not work for obvious reasons
[0:49] <Tachyon`> fb isn't it?
[0:49] <chithead> xf86-video-fbdev
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[0:49] <Rudde> Because their customers isn't the viewrs?
[0:49] <Rudde> its the companies that deliver silverlight services
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[0:49] <Rudde> and with linux support they can reach a bigger customer group
[0:49] <silly_> thanks
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[0:58] <des2> 'the companies that deliver silverlight services" ?
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[0:58] <des2> Netflix is like the last one off the dying platform.
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[0:58] <Rudde> nah
[0:59] <Rudde> alot of streaming companies use silverlight
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[0:59] <des2> Anyone that proposes their business start using silverlight should be terminated immediately.
[0:59] * Armand seconds .o/
[1:00] <des2> It's not installed on my PC, and I don't put it on any business PCs I install.
[1:00] <BurtyB> I think RAM companies must have shares in netflix/silverlight
[1:00] <Rudde> but silverlight is very secure
[1:00] <Rudde> nothing like it in it's class
[1:00] <des2> Security by 'no one gives enough of a damn to crack it'
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[1:00] <shiftplusone> Rudde, Microsoft could do that, but what's the benefit? Linux is only used on a few percent of desktops and they need to keep it that way. Why make it easy to switch? If they wanted to, they could port directx, .net and visual studio over, but then how would that affect the windows monopoly? I am willing to bet that they can make a lot more mine by spreading silverlight and forcing people to use windows than catering to competing platf
[1:00] <shiftplusone> orms.
[1:00] <BurtyB> indeed, nothing used RAM like silverlight
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[1:13] <silly_> "fatal server error: no screens found"
[1:13] <silly_> hmm
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[1:18] <Mike-N-Go> In an alternate dimension, Microsoft ports their apps to Linux and builds Mbuntu; Ubuntu-derived operating system.
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[1:19] <s5fs> Mike-N-Go: didn't microsoft have a unix variant at some point?
[1:20] <s5fs> yeah, xenix!
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[1:21] <des2> Microsoft is an Operating System company.
[1:21] <des2> Any apps they have is secondary to that.
[1:22] <s5fs> des2: i always think of them as a developer's company
[1:22] <s5fs> what are their OS sales versus other software?
[1:22] <odin_> should raspbian.org return 404 for packages?
[1:22] <des2> They have been remarkable unsuccessful with programs other than compiler suites and Microsoft Office.
[1:22] <s5fs> for most of my customers, the OS is cheaper than the office suite loaded on it
[1:22] <shiftplusone> I am pretty sure windows make up the bulk of their income and whatever they do on the side is often a loss
[1:23] <odin_> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-5_armhf.deb ... 404 (and the great debian stops at that, no attempt to find somewhere else)
[1:23] <odin_> bytemark.co.uk seems to be my mirror selected
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[1:24] <des2> They've had one real success hardware wise in Xbox.
[1:24] <des2> Otherwise a graveyard of zunes.
[1:25] <linuxstb> Their mice are OK...
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[1:25] <des2> Yeah they sell mice and keyboards.
[1:25] <des2> But they're just like other mice and keyboards.
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[1:26] <plugwash> odin_, have you run apt-get update?
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[1:28] <plugwash> usually 404 errors mean your package lists are outdated compared to what is now in the repo
[1:28] <s5fs> des2: i used to love the ms natural keyboards. these days i have a wireless ms mouse, works great with ubuntu.
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[1:29] <odin_> ah yes it finds a version -7 now, maybe yum/zypper do this kind of this automatically since I never had a concern it would not locate a package
[1:29] <odin_> what happens when you are in the middle of a large install and the mirror decides to not have a file anymore
[1:30] <des2> Yeah MS had some funky experimental keyboard designs. I don't think they have that big market share.
[1:31] <plugwash> odin_, well apt always downloads first and then installs
[1:31] <s5fs> odin_: rolls back the transaction iirc. i've had my wifi conn drop while updating before, i think it recovered cleanly. at least i've never had to dork with packages directly (unlike centos)
[1:31] <shiftplusone> Just checked, office overtook windows as their main income source. They are losing more and more money on online services, while server related products are slowly doing better (that's sql server, windows server editions and so on).
[1:32] <plugwash> so if a file dissapears during the downloading for a big run then apt will error out and you can run apt-get update and try again with no problems
[1:32] <Leestons> Losing power when updating can be a bit of a pain, didn't have a full OS when I booted afterwards.
[1:33] <plugwash> s5fs, as I said if there is a problem downloading it doesn't even start the actual updating process so there is no need to roll anything back
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[1:33] <plugwash> losing power during install is more of a problem, that can certainly leave things in an inconsistent state which can sometimes be tricky to fix
[1:36] <s5fs> plugwash: i haven't lost power during an update on linux but i agree with your assessment
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[1:37] <des2> That's interesting shiftplusone.
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[1:38] <des2> They do charge a lot for licensing server products (they charge per seat for that).
[1:39] <s5fs> yes, and additive CALs too haha!
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[1:39] <shiftplusone> The entertainment and devices income is almost insignificant and I am guessing mostly comes from xbox
[1:39] <odin_> ok cheers need a reboot workstation
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[1:39] <plugwash> iirc there are various licensing options for windows server products
[1:39] <plugwash> iirc you can buy a "per processor" license that allows unlimited clients (no need for cals) but I don't think it's cheap
[1:41] <des2> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/windows-server/buy.aspx
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[1:42] <s5fs> yeah, but datacenter covers windows licenses for as many VMs as you can support (I think per-processor)
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[1:43] <Martyn> Hey all.
[1:43] <DeliriumTremens> datacenter is per core, isn't it?
[1:43] <Martyn> Is anyone else here working with or on a Laser Cutter or CNC controller with the Raspberry Pi?
[1:43] * Martyn is working on a port of Lasersaur's code...
[1:43] <Martyn> but before I dig too deep into it, I figured this would be a good place to say "hi"
[1:44] <des2> What interface does the code use ?
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[1:46] <des2> (that is how does it talk to the hardware)
[1:46] <Martyn> GPIO and I2C
[1:47] <des2> ah
[1:47] <Martyn> There is a shield for the Arduino in the original Lasersaur config, but in this case, the shield is being replaced. The PI is talking directly to the Gecko stepper controllers.
[1:47] <Martyn> However, the laser itself requires a PWM signal
[1:47] <Martyn> but again, the pi has plenty of pins for that purpose too
[1:48] <des2> What OS will you be using on the PI ?
[1:48] <Martyn> freeRTOS
[1:48] <Martyn> I might use Linux, but that's a bit bloated, and doesn't -quite- meet the realtime needs for CNC
[1:48] <des2> I was wondering if you were going to use a RTOS which seems appropriate.
[1:48] <Martyn> I did look at realtime linux though
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[1:49] <des2> The stepper controllers take 3.3 v ?
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[1:53] <des2> Interesting that the PI is cheaper than the new Arduino Due.
[1:54] <Armand> I've already bought my 512MB.. with a case, from modmypi.
[1:54] <Martyn> the core of the PI is cheaper, and the chip is subsidized .. remember that Rob and company actually work for the chip manufacturer
[1:54] <Martyn> My 256M pi's were automatically upgraded. Happy me!
[1:54] <Armand> ^_^
[1:55] <Martyn> (from element14)
[1:55] <Martyn> +des2 : Yep, they can take 1.8, 2.2, 3.3, and 5V TTL input
[1:56] <des2> I'm not sure the chip is really subsidized as much as they gave them quantity pricing without the initial qualtity purchase.
[1:57] <des2> I'm sure they'll be Due clones cheaper eventually, just like I can buy $13 regular Arduino clones.
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[2:02] <PCLine_> Can anyone recommend a command line mp3 player?
[2:02] <PhotoJim> mplayer
[2:02] <shiftplusone> I like moc
[2:02] <PhotoJim> does video too!
[2:02] <shiftplusone> also known as mocp
[2:02] <PhotoJim> pops open a window for video. plays audio without, obviously.
[2:02] <tripgod> Cmus
[2:03] <PhotoJim> 3 people, 3 opinions...
[2:03] <PCLine_> thanks
[2:03] <tripgod> The joy of linux
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[2:03] <PCLine_> I now how 3 I can look at.
[2:04] <shiftplusone> False, 3 people, two opinions and my right answer. (not really)
[2:05] <shiftplusone> cmus does seem pretty similar to moc and perhaps better.
[2:05] <des2> You need to filter it by other requirements - smallest footprint, has kitchen sink built in, fastest to startup, plays every obscure format...
[2:05] <PhotoJim> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3098364 May 29 00:24 /usr/bin/mplayer
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[2:06] <PhotoJim> mplayer can play MP3s on my 20-year-old Sun Ultra 1 (Gentoo)... so I think it's pretty leanly coded.
[2:07] <PCLine_> I would also like to play Internet Radio if I could. I will try them out.
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[2:09] <PCLine_> if all goes bad or I dont like something . I just recreate my card and try again :)
[2:10] <des2> heh
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[2:12] <Datalink> PCLine_, I use VLC for mine, but mplayer and VLC both run fine on the Pi
[2:12] <Datalink> VLC has a good commandline mode, I find... screen vlc http://mymusic.com that is not an actual URL though, cause I listen to odd stuff
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[2:13] <PCLine_> Thanks - I will add that to my list to chheck it out. I use that on Windows.
[2:15] <des2> VLC is my choice for universal player (Windows + Linux)
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[2:18] <shiftplusone> Deterioration of organs through toxic accumulation
[2:18] <shiftplusone> bah... yes... that's something for all of you to take on board.
[2:18] <shiftplusone> (but no, I accidentally pasted it)
[2:19] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so I've *nearly* got pager message decoding working on the Pi using a usb DVB-T tuner
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[2:20] <megatog615> anyone else see the phoronix article?
[2:21] <shiftplusone> yup
[2:21] <PCLine_> Wow that was fast and easy!
[2:21] <des2> Protect your Precious Bodily Fluids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY
[2:22] <shiftplusone> megatog615, are you referring to the "omg this is the best thing ever" article or the "I don't know what I am doing and this isn't what I assumed it was and that makes it horrible" one?
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[2:23] <megatog615> shiftplusone: the one that better describes how crappy michael larabel is at journalism
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[2:24] <Takyoji[laptop]> Is it possible to do any audio input with the GPIO pins? I've been searching, but haven't found anything clear yet.
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[2:25] <shiftplusone> Anything is possible if you know what you're doing, but I don't think it's worth the effort.
[2:25] <des2> Not Analog audio Takyoji
[2:25] <Takyoji[laptop]> Aww
[2:25] <shiftplusone> well you could, with additional hardware.
[2:26] <des2> The PI has no Analog to Digital converter.
[2:26] <chithead> you can talk spdif on the gpio pins, but need to electrically convert it
[2:26] <des2> But you could interface a < $2 microcontroller.
[2:26] <Sieva> I must not be asking the right questions... can one of you fine folks help me.... I'm trying to get my RasPi to use a second SD card as a part of the system so I can install more packages. how would i tell debian to use an ext4 partition as part of the system partition? symlinks to usr/bin?
[2:26] <des2> What people usually do is just but a $2 USB audio device.
[2:26] <des2> Which will have microplone or line in.
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[2:27] <Takyoji[laptop]> Hopefully I can find something inexpensive, instead of something overpriced at $15 just for a USB sound card with audio in
[2:27] <shiftplusone> Sieva, it doesn't quite work that way. You're using a usb adaptor, right?
[2:27] <Sieva> shiftplusone: yep
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[2:28] <des2> Takyoj what type of device do you wish to get audio from ?
[2:28] <shiftplusone> Are you familiar with how fstab and mount works?
[2:29] <Sieva> basic understanding, sure
[2:29] <shiftplusone> Sieva, ok, you can move all of the /usr stuff to the second sdcard, then mount it over /usr.
[2:29] <Takyoji[laptop]> des2: Ham radio; so only analog audio is possible
[2:30] <des2> ok so mono line-level in.
[2:30] <Sieva> ahhh.... thank you. that's what i was looking for.
[2:30] <shiftplusone> Sieva, you don't want to do that on the device, obviously, but on another computer.
[2:30] <Sieva> right, else it would crash horribly LOL
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[2:31] <shiftplusone> being linux it might actually work, but I wouldn't try.
[2:32] <Sieva> *tips hat*
[2:32] <shiftplusone> don't go tipping hats until you get it working
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[2:52] <Prinler> Hey guys, i have a quick question.
[2:54] <shiftplusone> Prinler, are you going to ask it? =p
[2:54] <des2> We have quick answers, sometimes right ones.
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[2:55] <des2> shiftplusone is right, this is a rather slow quick question.
[2:55] <shiftplusone> maybe we missed it
[2:55] <megatog615> so fast our clients dropped it
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[2:56] <Prinler> I had 2 USB Hd's connected to my pi. I removed 1 because it was just sitting wasting away not being used. I booted the pi and now i still see SDA1 and SDB1. They both work even tho the drive is not there. *shrug* sorry got distraced with boobs on the TV
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[2:56] <Prinler> The samba mount i had called 80GB doesnt point to the right drive now...
[2:58] <megatog615> Prinler: use UUID
[2:58] <des2> If you disconnected the drive I assure you it doesn't work.
[2:58] <Prinler> sware
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[2:59] <Prinler> im thinking maybe i mnt'ed it wrong and its acually my sd card
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[2:59] <shiftplusone> why not use mount to see what's mounted where?
[3:00] <Prinler> cause im no pro
[3:00] <Prinler> lemme see :p
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[3:04] <Prinler> http://pastebin.com/zm8Nr7xa
[3:05] <Prinler> whats that all mean?
[3:06] <shiftplusone> looks fine, where do you see sdb1?
[3:07] <shiftplusone> Anyway, I am sure someone else will help you out. I've got to go fail en exam. 'night
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[3:09] <des2> It means you don't have an /sdb1
[3:09] <des2> (mounted)
[3:10] <des2> Now you can cd /sdb1
[3:10] <shiftplusone> if you see /dev/sdb1 though, you dun goofed something.
[3:10] <des2> Because under unixes /xxxxx (or /dev/xxxxx) are 'mount points'
[3:11] <des2> And when the device isn't connected they are empty directory entries.
[3:11] <des2> This can confuse users.
[3:11] <[7]> /DEV/... are device nodes, not mount points
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[3:12] <des2> Yes I screwed that up...
[3:12] <Prinler> ok
[3:13] <des2> Let me rephrase
[3:13] <des2> Here is your sda1: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/sda1
[3:13] <des2> It is mounted on /mnt/sda1
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[3:16] <shiftplusone> I think you should wait for him to turn off the tv and then continue.
[3:18] <des2> I hope at least he's watching TV on his PI.
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[3:22] <Sonny_Jim> I'm using my DVB-T tuner to receive pager messages rather than TV :-)
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[3:22] <des2> Are you using rtl-sdr ?
[3:22] <Sonny_Jim> yep
[3:22] <Sonny_Jim> plus multimonNG
[3:23] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=20974
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[3:23] <Sonny_Jim> Once my 16GB card turns up I plan to have a crack at compiling gnu-radio
[3:24] <des2> The universal swiss army knife of SDR
[3:24] <Sonny_Jim> well, for between 30MHz and 1GHz on a budget, sure
[3:25] <Sonny_Jim> Does make me laugh that $50 worth of hardware can receive and decode pager messages though...
[3:25] <des2> btw if you open your dongle and solder a wire to bypass the tuner you can direct sample receive < 30 MHz.
[3:26] <Sonny_Jim> yeah I know
[3:26] <Sonny_Jim> I have a Degen 1103 for stuff under 30MHz
[3:27] <des2> ah
[3:28] * Sonny_Jim used to be a Number Station hunter
[3:29] <des2> heh
[3:30] <des2> I've heard a few just to know they really exist.
[3:30] <des2> But didn't actively search for them
[3:31] <rikkib> What is a number station?
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[3:31] <des2> A voice reciting numbers.
[3:31] <des2> Believed to be coded messages to secret agents...
[3:32] <rikkib> UK?
[3:32] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station
[3:32] <Sonny_Jim> Well, not believed to be
[3:32] <Sonny_Jim> It was proven in a court case a while back
[3:33] <Sonny_Jim> But no one ever admits to them
[3:33] <Sonny_Jim> They are slowly disappearing, but what with the war in the middle east they still find a use primarily due to:
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[3:34] <Sonny_Jim> A. Internet communication has a start and end point, number stations are one way and have no definitive end point, so you don't know who the recipient is
[3:34] <Sonny_Jim> B. Your secret agent is going to stick out like a sore thumb if he's wandering around the Middle East with a super-slick spyphone to do his decryption
[3:34] <Sonny_Jim> Much easier to find a shortwave radio out there
[3:34] <des2> Yes it's why they haven't been replaced by the Internet, because the Internet doesn't support true broadcasting.
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[3:36] <rikkib> That is a big wiki page
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[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> Haven't listened to UVB-76 in a while
[3:40] <Prinler> i dont get how SDB1 can work and show files...
[3:40] <Sonny_Jim> That's the Russian 'All clear' signal
[3:41] <Prinler> mount: can't find sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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[3:41] <Sonny_Jim> Been going now for something like 15 years
[3:41] <Sonny_Jim> Prinler: it might be called something else
[3:41] <des2> When you say SDB1 what's the actual path ?
[3:42] <des2> Is it /mnt/sdb1 ?
[3:42] <Prinler> well no /mnt/sdb1
[3:42] <Prinler> where do i see the REAL path that mnt/sdb1 is going to
[3:42] <des2> What is 'showing files' ?
[3:42] <des2> Well you type 'mount'
[3:42] <Datalink> could be Gnomemountd
[3:42] <des2> which shows you the device and its mount point.
[3:43] <Prinler> cd /mnt/sdb1; LS; folders
[3:43] <Milos> s/LS/ls/
[3:43] <Prinler> SL/LO/LS
[3:43] <des2> ok so you do cd /mnt/sdb1
[3:43] <des2> and then ls shows files.
[3:43] <Prinler> yes des2
[3:43] <Prinler> yes
[3:44] <Prinler> a folder i made called torrents
[3:44] <des2> So /mnt/sdb1 was a mount point which when nothing is mounted is a simple directory.
[3:44] <des2> So if the device was unmounted you could cd to that directory and put things there.
[3:45] <Sonny_Jim> ^
[3:45] <des2> But they aren't on the removed USB device
[3:45] <Prinler> is there an "un"mount?
[3:45] <des2> They are just in the directory.
[3:45] <Sonny_Jim> Prinler: umonut
[3:45] <Sonny_Jim> *umount
[3:45] <des2> Which is actually on your main device.
[3:46] <des2> We've all been confused by the mount point directory thing at some point.
[3:46] <des2> When we've inadvertantly cd'd to an unmounted mount point.
[3:46] <Prinler> umount: sdb1: not mounted
[3:46] <des2> Yes it isn't mounted.
[3:46] <des2> Now do: cd /mnt
[3:46] <Prinler> ok
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[3:46] <Prinler> its a folder
[3:46] <des2> and do ls
[3:46] <des2> What do you see ?
[3:47] <Prinler> I see /sda1 and /sdb1
[3:47] <des2> well you mean /mnt/sdb1
[3:47] <Prinler> lol i just deleted it
[3:48] <des2> heh.
[3:48] <Prinler> yes sir
[3:48] <Prinler> Ok so no more confising folder faking a disk
[3:48] <Prinler> what a poser!
[3:48] <des2> I think everyone who has used unixes long enough has inadvertantly copied into a mount point that was really a directory after a device got unmounted.
[3:48] <rikkib> mkdir /mnt/sdb1
[3:49] <Prinler> :p
[3:49] <rikkib> mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1
[3:49] <rikkib> umount /mnt/sdb1
[3:50] <rikkib> umount /dev/sdb1 same same
[3:50] <Prinler> You know, i been using ubuntu off and on for years, before that mandrake, redhat, and i never learned as much as i have learned running raspbian on my pi. Hands down i have learned more in a month then 10 years
[3:50] <Prinler> ok
[3:50] <rikkib> ls /dev
[3:50] <Prinler> ty rikkib that helps
[3:51] <rikkib> sync before umount
[3:51] <Prinler> sync?
[3:51] <rikkib> ie type sync
[3:51] <Prinler> whats that do
[3:51] <rikkib> writes unwritten stuff to sd
[3:51] <rikkib> buffers
[3:51] <Prinler> oh ok, making it safe to unmount eh?
[3:51] <rikkib> yes
[3:52] <des2> I believe unmount syncs.
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[3:52] <rikkib> yes
[3:52] <des2> I've only ever sync'd before a halt.
[3:52] <rikkib> but it does not tell you much
[3:52] <rikkib> sync tells you if there is a lot in a buffer
[3:53] <rikkib> try dd with bs=4M and then try to umount it as soon as it finishes
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[4:01] <Prinler> ok, next
[4:02] <Prinler> Squeez Plug
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[4:03] <Prinler> Anynone looked into it?
[4:03] <Prinler> http://www.squeezeplug.de/
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[4:05] <Gumby> sounds like a danish sex toy
[4:06] <Prinler> lol
[4:06] <Prinler> ummmm
[4:06] <Prinler> LOL
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[4:18] <Sonny_Jim> Nice to see that lirc worked with zero problems
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[4:48] <Prinler> ECHO
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[4:49] <Cembo> ECHO is on.
[4:49] <Prinler> PING
[4:51] <des2> PONG
[4:51] <Sv> NO
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[4:57] <Prinler^Pi> Ping
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[4:57] <Prinler> Pong
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[5:07] <Milos|Netbook> YES
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[5:08] <Milos|Netbook> PONG PINGO ECHO ALPHA
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[5:30] <knoppies> has anyone in here tried to run an RPi from an old laptop battery? (or am I in the wrong channel to ask that question)
[5:30] <Netham45> I doubt you'll find a laptop battery that is 5v
[5:31] <Netham45> so you'll need to convert it to the appropriate voltage first
[5:31] <knoppies> Netham45, but you can use a voltage regulator.
[5:33] <Prinler> ok i installed miniDLNA and it seems to be working.
[5:33] <des2> What's the laptop battery voltage ?
[5:33] <Prinler> how do i browse the media files now?
[5:33] <knoppies> 10.8V
[5:34] <knoppies> but I have no way of charging it so I dont know if I will use this battery.
[5:34] <des2> heh
[5:35] <geordie> my gertboard is scheduled for delivery by end of day thursday.
[5:36] <des2> Start warming up the soldering iron...
[5:36] <geordie> yeah
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[5:42] <Prinler> i like to do my gertboards in the microwave
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[5:42] <echelon> are there cases available for model A's?
[5:42] <Prinler> Trash can?
[5:42] <Prinler> op sorry
[5:42] <echelon> ?
[5:42] <Prinler> insserv: warning: script 'K02tightvncserver' missing LSB tags and overrides
[5:42] <Prinler> insserv: warning: script 'tightvncserver' missing LSB tags and overrides
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[5:43] <Prinler> des2: tell me what i did wrong
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[5:47] <des2> There are no Model As yet.
[5:47] <des2> What were you running Prinler ?
[5:48] <echelon> so there's no cases available for model A's?
[5:49] <des2> as far as I know no, because we don't know what the As actually look like
[5:49] <echelon> don't know what it looks like? ^_-
[5:49] <Prinler> mini dlna
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[5:49] <Prinler> media server
[5:50] <des2> the As aren't just Bs with parts left off.
[5:50] <Prinler> what is an A?
[5:50] <des2> I don't even know what regular sized dlna is.
[5:51] <des2> The $25 Pi
[5:51] <Prinler> whats the differences?
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[5:52] <Datalink> Prinler, the Pi is slated to be 2 models, the $35 model and the $25 model, the B is the more expensive one which bears a USB controller chip with Ethernet, the A is a educational one, stripped down without the USB chip, it has 1 USB port and no ethernet
[5:52] <des2> 256MB vs 512MB, 1 USB vs 2, No ethernet...
[5:52] <Datalink> and yeah, half the RAM on the A
[5:52] <knoppies> have the model Bs always had 512MB? I thought they were 256MB until recently.
[5:52] <des2> yes
[5:53] <des2> there were just upgraded.
[5:53] <des2> Making the difference between the B and A more significant
[5:53] <Datalink> knoppies, upgrade was earlier this month
[5:54] <Prinler> why would you want an A?
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[5:55] <Prinler> the power usage and price are so close to each other it seems like a waste of R&D
[5:56] <des2> Because it is $10 less.
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[5:57] <echelon> 300 mA on A, 700 mA on B
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[5:57] <Datalink> Prinler: it's aimed at educational customers, schools, students, bulk orders, etc. and yeah, the Etehrnet/USB Hub accounts for a lot of the used juice
[5:58] <Datalink> that chip is a power hungry one, due to it's regulators
[5:58] <des2> anyone using the PI as a wireless data gatherer will want the A.
[5:58] <Prinler> hmmm
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[5:58] <echelon> but there's no case :/
[5:58] <Tachyon`> Prinler, a waste of R&D how?
[5:58] <echelon> can you use power usb hubs with A?
[5:59] <Tachyon`> the A is just a B without the hub/ethernet
[5:59] <Tachyon`> what R&D is required to not add something?!
[5:59] <des2> http://www.iammer.com/raspi/raspberryPiCase-Final.pdf
[5:59] <des2> There you go, make different cutouts when you get your A
[6:00] <des2> They've made some layout changes on the A.
[6:00] <echelon> :)
[6:00] <des2> I'm not sure what exactly.
[6:00] <echelon> i'm thinking about using the A with a motorola lapdock
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[6:01] <echelon> would i be able to connect the lapdock to the A's single usb port and use the lapdock's usb ports for other accessories, like wifi?
[6:02] <des2> If the lapdock works as a hub, yes.
[6:02] <echelon> neat :)
[6:04] <echelon> lapdock offers 8hrs charge with the android phone
[6:05] <echelon> i bet it's double with raspberry poop ;X
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[6:10] <Prinler> Anyone have stuff like sensors on a Po?
[6:10] <Prinler> PI
[6:11] <Tachyon`> I'd assume so
[6:11] <des2> What do you mean by 'stuff like sensors' ?
[6:11] <Tachyon`> it's what the GPIO was left there for
[6:11] <Milos|Netbook> -_-
[6:13] <Prinler> yeah, i mean here listening to me
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[6:13] <Prinler> i know someone out there does :p
[6:13] <Prinler> I want to hook a Pi to my solar setup to monitor voltages/amps both going in and out.
[6:14] <Prinler> upload it to a website with graphs
[6:15] <Prinler> like this guy http://www.briandorey.com/post/Raspberry-Pi-Solar-Data-Logger.aspx
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[6:16] <des2> nice project
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[6:21] <Prinler> yeah thats worth looking into
[6:22] <piney0> looks cool, bookmarked
[6:22] <piney0> too many cool projects, not enough time or cash flow
[6:23] <knoppies> piney0, I agree.
[6:23] <knoppies> piney0, and I need time to try make cash flow.
[6:24] <des2> You can skip the Raspberry Pi nuclear power plant controller.
[6:24] <knoppies> des2, that one sounds like a lot of fun.
[6:24] <knoppies> SSH works well so no harm in trying.
[6:25] <des2> It's all fun and games until your $2 chinese power supply crashes the PI and the core melts.
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[6:27] <piney0> if it ever arrives, ive been waiting over 6 weeks for my $1.87 chinese ubec
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[6:34] <Tachyon`> soemone brought a PSU that looked very like the one in that post (for an ipad), I carefully didn't plug it in and just used the USB cable with the PC
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[6:42] <Prinler> I use my iphone wall jack thingy :p
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[6:42] <Prinler> Its Apple so its the best you can get.
[6:44] <Prinler> http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/7/ADC-Pi---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[6:44] <des2> But is it real apple or fake ?
[6:45] <Prinler> Who knows? they are identical :
[6:45] <Prinler> im guessing so because it works on the ipad and the fake ones dont
[6:46] <Prinler> $14.99! and its in the UK!
[6:46] <Prinler> Bah
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[6:49] <Prinler> I wonder how i could make LED's blink to music. Like christmas lights programed to blink via the GPIO
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[6:51] <Tachyon`> music played on the pi?
[6:51] <tripgod> I want to see a raspberrypi power a christmas tree lights
[6:52] <Tachyon`> also, you can't draw much current from the GPIO so some care might be needed (or a gertboard which you can attach relays to etc.)
[6:52] <Tachyon`> as there's nothing to actually stop you drawing too much current afaik
[6:52] <des2> Prinlet google 'color organ'
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[6:52] <Tachyon`> so you only know about it when something goes pop
[6:52] <Prinler> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blrh5ifgmIE
[6:53] <Prinler> So amazing
[6:54] <Tachyon`> gertboard has A>D (and D>A I think)
[6:54] <des2> yes,
[6:54] <des2> It has a microcontroller on it.
[6:55] <Tachyon`> I meant other than that actually, but heh
[6:56] <des2> Yes you are correct.
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[6:57] <des2> http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Gertboard-PartsList2.pdf
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[6:57] <Prinler> reminds me of THROWIES
[6:57] <des2> MCP3002 10bit ADC
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[6:57] <des2> MCP4802 8bit DAC
[6:58] <des2> along with the ATMEGA328P-PU microcontroller
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[7:00] <Prinler> http://www.instructables.com/id/LED-Throwies/
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[7:00] <des2> I don't like to throw away working electronics...
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[7:11] <Tachyon`> no gertboard for me it seems, heh, oh well -.-
[7:12] <Prinler> they call it digital graphiti
[7:12] <Prinler> you make a ton of them and throw them all over town.
[7:12] <Prinler> they stay light for 2 weeks and looks awsome
[7:13] <Prinler> " "
[7:13] <Prinler> never done it
[7:13] <Prinler> ok time for bed
[7:13] <des2> night.
[7:13] <Prinler> thanks everyone
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[7:43] <mrlespaulman> I have no sound with any application except for XBMC. Any ideas?
[7:46] <DeliriumTremens> i dont have /opt/vc/include
[7:46] <DeliriumTremens> aaaand i need them
[7:46] <DeliriumTremens> for retroarch
[7:46] <DeliriumTremens> my brain hurts, any advice?
[7:46] <Tachyon`> you've managed to install xmbc as an app?
[7:46] <Tachyon`> didi you build t?
[7:47] <mrlespaulman> It was pre-compiled
[7:47] <mrlespaulman> but yeah it works like a charm
[7:47] <Tachyon`> I tried to install it earlier on raspbian
[7:47] <Tachyon`> and it wasn't having it
[7:47] <mrlespaulman> Thats what I'm on
[7:47] <Tachyon`> no xbmc-bin in the repositories
[7:47] <Tachyon`> are you on the hard float one?
[7:47] <mrlespaulman> Yep, check this out:
[7:48] <Tachyon`> odd, that's what I'm on
[7:48] <mrlespaulman> iggy82.blogspot.com/2012/08/pre-compiled-xbmc-for-raspbian.html
[7:48] <mrlespaulman> That's where I got it
[7:48] <DeliriumTremens> is it v11 or v12?
[7:49] <mrlespaulman> Not sure actually
[7:49] <DeliriumTremens> i went with raspbmc, but now trying to install retropie (retroarch) i'm running into problems
[7:49] <Tachyon`> ah, that seems to be for a much older raspbian but I'll give it a try
[7:49] <Tachyon`> I've been having audio issues with raspbmc
[7:49] <mrlespaulman> Yeah man it's working great for me.
[7:50] <Tachyon`> IE: when playing music it stops after 4-6 tunes
[7:50] <mrlespaulman> I'm having audio issues myself
[7:50] <mrlespaulman> with everything BUT xbmc
[7:50] <DeliriumTremens> Tachyon`: i had that problem earlier
[7:50] <DeliriumTremens> havent had time to sit down and let it play for a bit
[7:50] <Tachyon`> er, did you find the cause at all?
[7:50] <Tachyon`> ahh -.-
[7:50] <DeliriumTremens> hah, sorry
[7:51] <Tachyon`> did you update your raspxbmc
[7:51] <DeliriumTremens> i'm on the 10/20 build
[7:51] <Tachyon`> ah yes, so that would be the updated one
[7:52] <Tachyon`> wonder if that's the problem, I had no issues before but not sure I tried to play any music to speak of before
[7:52] <DeliriumTremens> i havent heard anyone else mention it in the raspbmc channel
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[7:54] <mrlespaulman> Do you have sound working in other programs on Raspbian?
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[7:56] <Tachyon`> on, most things work in raspbian for me
[7:56] <Tachyon`> it's raspxbmc only that has issues
[7:58] <mrlespaulman> How did you get it to work?
[7:59] <mrlespaulman> Or did it just always work?
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[9:49] <knoppies> YAY, looks like my plans will be easier than I thought: http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/gstreamer/473-using-the-logitech-c920-webcam-with-gstreamer
[9:50] <knoppies> he uses a beaglebone but I was planning on trying it with the Pi: http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/beaglebone/476-turning-the-beaglebone-into-a-high-definition-ip-camera
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[10:44] <Jck_true> Reminds me I gotta try my old Logitech webcam... I only managed to get one single garbage frame out of it.. Hoepfully the USB support is a bit better today
[10:50] <Jck_true> And I must say - I did not see the release of the userland code comming :|
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps..
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[11:12] <des2> pieeps
[11:13] <Xark> Jck_true: Yeah. There was a bit of a "hint" in Eben's recent talk that I picked up. Very cool (despite the "grumpy" people complaining about it not being source for GL). :)
[11:14] <Jck_true> Xark: Well... Don't get me started - I can always be stirred up to be grumpy if there's a need :D
[11:15] <Xark> Jck_true: You and the whole Internet. :) However, good news is good news (even if it isn't a totally freeze-over of Hell). :)
[11:16] <Jck_true> Yeah I'm mostly over my last rant with the sudden memory bump to 512mb after i realized how much better this would suddenly be for Android :)
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> depends if you care about android or not ;-)
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> for me, it's a phone...
[11:17] <Xark> Hehe. I "grudgingly" ordered another Raspberry Pi myself. :)
[11:18] <des2> Every step of openness is a step forward.
[11:18] <Xark> des2: Totally. This is a useful step too.
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[11:20] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Well... a touchbased system to run on the raspberry... Meego, Android or WebOS... I'm fairly sure android would be most usefull
[11:20] <BurtyB> feel sorry for people ordering from RS - I put in an order with CPC yesterday and it arrived this morning :)
[11:21] <Jck_true> I plan on sticking a raspberry on the back of my desktop monitors secondary HDMI input - Then use an extra mouse as the only input device
[11:21] <Jck_true> Tweets - RSS etc on that display
[11:21] <Xark> Jck_true: I am interested to see Androind on the RPi, but considering how painfully slow it is on my dual core 1Ghz cellphone, I am not expecting too much (often 5 or 10 seconds to respond to a button press).
[11:21] <Xark> Android* even :)
[11:22] <Jck_true> Xark: Well.. There don't seem to be any other compareable systems...
[11:22] <Jck_true> Xark: but I do like webOS... Could be fun running that for real...
[11:23] <Xark> Jck_true: I understand. Just the virtual machine layer is not "helping" (despite JIT and "native" stuff).
[11:23] <Jck_true> Meego maybe? Never played with that actually
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[11:24] <Xark> I am actually quite interested in Wayland (if they "ditch" enough X baggage). Android is just Linux, and I would be happier with a native solution (with solid graphics acceleration).
[11:24] <Jck_true> Usability on mobile devices is ages ahead of desktops IMHO
[11:25] <Xark> Yes, but "touch screen" desktops is not the answer (I remember light pens...)
[11:26] <Jck_true> I agree...
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> even the new google chromebook isn't touchscreen...
[11:26] <Jck_true> Reminds me - I gotta find enough cash for an iPad Mini
[11:26] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Have you played with one of those? Kinda curious about it (vs a table or something for the bedroom).
[11:27] <Xark> tablet*
[11:27] * Xark still needs the table next to the bed :)
[11:28] <Xark> Jck_true: Not too happy with my Fire size wise, but maybe more res would be the answer. I was a bit sad to see I missed the boat on large Kindle DX...
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> Xark, I'd have bought one yesterday if I didn't have to buy it from PC World...
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> Xark, it's a laptop.
[11:29] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I understand. I kinda like keys. :)
[11:30] * Xark hasn't upgraded his cellphone recently because newer nice models haven't had qwerty...(may lose that battle)
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yea - I'm keeping my desire-z as long as I can...
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[11:39] <chatlow> hi could someone pls tell me how good a pi would be as a web server? worried about overheating if left on a lot?
[11:40] <Jck_true> chatlow: No problems at all... And if you only plan on serving static content it should be even better
[11:40] <des2> It won't overheat.
[11:40] <Jck_true> chatlow: Points to consider would be not to enable turbo mode and check your settings for apache regarding acccess.log
[11:40] <des2> Don't generate dynamic content.
[11:41] <chatlow> great. sounds very cheap to run as well.
[11:41] <des2> If your content can fit entirely into memory you'll be in good shape.
[11:41] <des2> (disk access is a little slow)
[11:41] <Jck_true> Flash wearout could be a problem if you write log fils and experience heavy access :)
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[11:42] <chatlow> content and turbo mode are a little above my understanding.. only figured out how to get a lamp config working a few weeks ago.
[11:42] <des2> heh.
[11:42] <Jck_true> chatlow: Well PHP might be a bit slow - Depending on what system you run
[11:42] <chatlow> will be looking at security now
[11:42] <des2> Run a lighter web server.
[11:43] <chatlow> any suggestions for a better server?
[11:43] <Jck_true> nginx or lighttpd
[11:43] <Tachyon`> lighttpd?
[11:43] <Jck_true> I like lighttpd myself - But nginx seems to be the buzzword
[11:43] <des2> http://www.lighttpd.net/
[11:44] <des2> http://wiki.nginx.org/Main
[11:45] <chatlow> will look now. thanks guys. also noticed that my pi is only 'seeing' 2GB of my 32GB sdcard... i've created a new partition in gparted is it as simple as moving my home directory to this new partition?
[11:45] <Jck_true> chatlow: just run raspi-config from the commandline
[11:45] <nid0> you could just expand the current one
[11:45] <Jck_true> One of the options should be to expand
[11:45] <nid0> delete the new partition then run raspi-config and expand the current system partition
[11:46] <chatlow> ah ok, thanks - new to all this!
[11:46] <chatlow> be back when I get stuck!!!
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[11:46] <des2> It's ok you won't break much.
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[12:21] <booyaa> ah he left
[12:22] <booyaa> was gonna say why not benchmark it? ab -kc 10 -n 1000 http://localhost:portoflighttpd vs :portofnginx
[12:23] <booyaa> nginx's config freaked me out a little coming from apache background, but its well documented
[12:23] <booyaa> do yourself a favour stick varnish infront of it
[12:23] <Jck_true> I most jumped on the lighttpd boat because the windows build was a bit more stable than nginx thoose years back
[12:25] <des2> Varnish prevents bit rot ?...
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[12:26] <Jck_true> des2: I spray my cds with soap once a month so the bits won't rot
[12:26] <booyaa> heh
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[12:28] <booyaa> des2: bit rot? like cache not displaying an update to a blog post?
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[12:29] <des2> I find my cash disappears faster than I'd like.
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[12:30] <Jck_true> I found deleting my creditcard numbers from my password chain helped dramatically :D
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[12:35] <laurent\> is anybody working on the video encoding features ?
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[12:41] <des2> Video encoding features ?
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[12:50] <linuxstb> laurent\: Last I read was that a hello_encode sample program has been published. That takes a YUV image from the ARM side and encodes it to h264.
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[13:10] <laurent\> linuxstb: ok, i guess that's a good start :)
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[13:24] <wiiguy> hmm now that i think the rpi 256mb version is now a limited edition :p
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[13:26] <des2> call it a 'lower power pi'
[13:27] <wiiguy> meh limited sounds better :p
[13:28] <des2> 256MB pis will consume less current than 512MB
[13:28] <wiiguy> i know
[13:29] <wiiguy> but i said it sounds better ":p
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[13:29] <zgreg> I actually heard someone say the 512 MB PoP chip used by the pi consumes less power than the 512 MB variant
[13:30] <zgreg> the 512 MB chip might use a newer process
[13:31] <zgreg> most probably it simply doesn't matter and the differences are negligible
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[13:32] <biberao> hi!!
[13:33] <des2> I can't seem to find any data on the Samsung chip.
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> Right. off to the Penzance fortnightly Raspberryjam meetup!
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[14:25] <knoppies> Jck_true, Im reading scrollback and I thought I might suggest that you have a look at synergy.
[14:25] <Jck_true> knoppies: I allready use it-- But it should be usefull when my maschine is off :)
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[14:28] <knoppies> Jck_true, I see what your getting at.
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[14:28] <knoppies> Jck_true, not a bad idea.
[14:29] <Jck_true> Figured just a loose USB mouse would be enough input for android - Otherwise I'll have to buy a touch overlay of some sort
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[14:34] <knoppies> Jck_true, oh, I didnt realise you were going to run android on it.
[14:35] <Jck_true> knoppies: I don't really care if it's android or not.. I just want something that's easy and fast to use for a quick reference display
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[15:36] <biberao> hi
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[15:43] <tero> anyone here tried to record audio with an usb sound card?
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[15:44] <tero> it shows only one input http://pastebin.com/9DNPtNnM
[15:45] <tero> I have a connection to line-in on the souncard, but when i tried to record it i got nothing when playing it
[15:45] <biberao> anyone running xbmc?
[15:45] <biberao> 7window 36
[15:45] <biberao> arr
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[15:54] <jelly1> biberao probably a lot of people
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[16:05] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to stream audio from a usb sound card: C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter
[16:05] <gazzwi86> can anyone suggest how I might do this?
[16:05] <gazzwi86> Icecast and dark ice are not doing the trick
[16:06] <gazzwi86> well, dark ice will not run
[16:06] <gazzwi86> it doesn't appear to be installed
[16:07] <jelly1> pulseaudio is an option
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[16:09] <Cheery> how are you ppl?
[16:10] <des2> We're cheery, you ?
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[16:10] <Cheery> identity crisis in 3, 2, 1...
[16:11] <Cheery> anyway
[16:11] <Armand> lol
[16:12] <IT_Sean> I'm delightful. Just sayin'
[16:12] <Cheery> is anyone interested about trying some desktop redesign with me with raspberries?
[16:12] <Armand> Just to confuse the issue further.. I'm making a Cherry Pi.
[16:12] <Armand> I mean, *pie
[16:12] <Cheery> I had compositing code solved out while ago.
[16:13] <des2> As long as it's not a Cheery Pie.
[16:13] <Cheery> also had some thing with udev in python.
[16:14] <Cheery> but I'm not entirely sure about everything. and I think I'd need some backup from others to get through it.
[16:16] <Cheery> the idea is to provide some libraries that make it easy to experiment new kind of desktop environments
[16:16] <Armand> des2, I made a sheppards pie once.. that was a horror story!
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[16:16] <Cheery> to provide something that'd get linux desktop ahead of others.
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[16:17] <des2> I'm sure it was for the Sheppard.
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[16:22] <Cheery> I considered using python for it all at first. but I'm starting to feel node.js has actually superior packaging and maybe it's ffi is more modern too.
[16:24] <Cheery> event system on it weights more than python iterators as well.
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[16:44] <jelly1> fuuu
[16:44] <jelly1> does the 512 model need a firmware update to enable it?
[16:44] <des2> yes
[16:45] <jelly1> mine should be 512 MB but raspbmc only shows 256
[16:45] <jelly1> des2: ok
[16:45] <jelly1> time to google how to update the firmware :)
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[16:46] <sodhi> hi RPi'ers. I'm having some difficulties getting my TP-LINK 721N to work with my rpi; I've installed wireless-tools, atheros-firmware, manually added the AR9271 firmware in /lib/firmware. It detects it just fine, but after adding the wpasupplicant configuration file, I can't seem to start my network interface because wpasupplicant fails to start. I'm running RaspBMC and the error I get is:
[16:46] <sodhi> "wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start"
[16:46] <sodhi> Any tips on how to solve this error?
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[16:46] <sraue> sodhi, maybe try OpenELEC?
[16:47] <sodhi> I'm not particularly interested in switching to be blunt.. it'd have to be a last resort, kind of thing :)
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[16:51] <linuxstb> sodhi: Do the logs (e.g. /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog) say anything more?
[16:51] <sodhi> linuxstb: checking now :)
[16:52] <sodhi> Oct 24 22:28:58 raspbmc kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[16:52] <sodhi> one of those for every attempt to ifup
[16:52] <sodhi> ah
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[16:52] <sodhi> something might seem to solve it in syslog
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[16:53] <sodhi> I'll pastebin.com it instead of spamming, second.
[16:53] <sodhi> http://pastebin.com/tUnZBVXV
[16:54] <sodhi> seems I just have to remove /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0, no?
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[16:56] <sodhi> That did the trick in regards to the wpasupplicant error, now I'm getting a "No DHCPOFFERS received." error.
[16:56] <sodhi> I assume that's because no connection is established.
[16:57] <sodhi> i.e. wrong password, bad ssid or so
[16:59] <tinti> Raspberry Pi and Clang - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnFU7DoBwSU&feature=plcp
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[17:02] <paxcoder> hey peeps. so when i switch to video, i get a glimpse of the terminal (in color!), then it gets snowy? What's the prob?
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[17:06] <paxcoder> i tried setting sdtv_mode to 1, but it reverts to 2
[17:06] <jelly1> damn still dont have 512 mb
[17:06] <[SLB]> Your Farnell Order Has Been Shipped. \o/
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[17:06] <jelly1> can I know/view on the chip if i have the 512 MB version?
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[17:07] <[SLB]> yes
[17:07] <jelly1> [SLB]: how would I know :)
[17:07] <paxcoder> i have to switch to svhs, and now i have only b/w picture
[17:07] <[SLB]> the memory id should report 4G about at the middle if it's a 512mb
[17:07] <paxcoder> *had
[17:08] <[SLB]> or 2G for a 256
[17:08] <jelly1> [SLB]: hmmm
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[17:08] <KameSense> hello, anyone knows about reliable SD brands ?
[17:09] <[SLB]> http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RPI_SOC_04.jpg
[17:09] <[SLB]> KameSense, sandisk
[17:09] <mod_eerf> sodhi, did you use wpa_passphrase to generate psk for your wpa_supplicant.conf?
[17:10] <paxcoder> KameSense, there's a whole list of stuff that works with rpi on the wiki
[17:10] <sodhi> mod_eerf: nope? I just entered in plain-text.
[17:10] <jelly1> [SLB]: cool i have the 4G one
[17:10] <[SLB]> :)
[17:10] <jelly1> [SLB]: it says "4G" in the string
[17:10] <[SLB]> nice
[17:10] <KameSense> paxcoder: I don't speak about what works, I speak about what's reliable
[17:10] <jelly1> [SLB]: I guess the firmware upgrade failed :p
[17:11] <jelly1> or raspbmc isnt supporting it
[17:11] <KameSense> my kingston lasted less than 4 months before dying
[17:11] <jelly1> well have to study now, will look into it this weekend
[17:11] <jelly1> :)
[17:11] <[SLB]> most likely jelly1
[17:11] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:11] <jelly1> [SLB]: MUST UNLOCK MOARR POWER
[17:11] <jelly1> :D
[17:11] <[SLB]> lol :)
[17:11] <mod_eerf> you can use wpa_passphrase and redirect to your wpa_supplicant.conf file
[17:11] <mod_eerf> brb
[17:11] <paxcoder> people. why is my sdtv_mode setting reverting to 2 after reboot?
[17:12] <sodhi> mod_eerf: oh, smart.
[17:12] <paxcoder> (in /boot/config.txt)
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[17:15] <mod_eerf> wpa_passphrase ssid password >> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:16] <mod_eerf> I do that whenever connecting to new network, so it'll just append to any other networks I've got saved in wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:17] <sodhi> no luck.
[17:18] <mod_eerf> dhclient -v wlan0
[17:20] <sodhi> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[17:20] <sodhi> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
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[17:20] <mod_eerf> and what command are you using to initiate your wpa_supplicant.conf?
[17:21] <sodhi> you mean in /etc/network/interfaces?
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[17:22] <Milos|Netbook> KameSense, they all die. You're not meant to run an OS off an SD card. Use SanDisk and live with it.
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[17:22] <mod_eerf> wpa_supplicant -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:22] <sodhi> ah
[17:22] <[SLB]> or move your / on an usb stick :3
[17:23] <Milos|Netbook> that's still the same kind of flash memory
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[17:23] <[SLB]> for me it performs so much better and no fs corruption since then anymore, maybe just luck but yea
[17:23] <Milos|Netbook> :P
[17:23] <mod_eerf> then: dhclient -v wlan0
[17:23] <sodhi> mod_eerf: -iwlan0 too, right?
[17:23] <mod_eerf> you can throw that in yes
[17:24] <sodhi> wlan0: Trying to associate with 00:19:70:9e:d2:5e (SSID='TDC-22B5' freq=2437 MHz)
[17:24] <sodhi> wlan0: Associated with 00:00:00:00:00:00
[17:24] <sodhi> wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=00:19:70:9e:d2:5e reason=0
[17:24] <sodhi> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[17:24] <sodhi> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument
[17:24] <sodhi> (sorry for the spamming)
[17:25] <mod_eerf> different driver needed
[17:26] <sodhi> That's.. odd.
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[17:26] <Benighted> has anyone found a workaround to mmc0 controller never released inhibit bits? all partitions are readable, seems like a false positive
[17:26] <sodhi> how can it find networks, if it's the wrong driver?
[17:27] <Benighted> SLB yes, moving / to USB is a huge plus
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[17:27] <Benighted> I keep getting a resizefs_once failed message since doing so
[17:29] <mod_eerf> sodhi, i haven't used wifi on pi (but do with slackware on macbook).
[17:29] <[SLB]> i didn't dd the image to the usb drive though, it had its own partition already so i never had to resize it hm
[17:29] <mod_eerf> http://www.marcomc.com/2012/09/how-to-configure-wireless-lan-on-raspberrypi-with-raspbian-kernel-3-2-27-and-solwise-rtl8188cus-wifi-dongle/
[17:30] <Benighted> ah, just straight mv /media/root/* /media/usb/?
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[17:31] <[SLB]> i think i used rsync
[17:31] <Benighted> k
[17:31] <[SLB]> :)
[17:31] <Benighted> Anyone want a laugh, look at MS's site... windows 8, bleh
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[17:32] <mod_eerf> wpa_supplicant -dd -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:32] <[SLB]> used win8 maybe since a month, not that bad actually eheh
[17:32] <KameSense> my IPCop runs on a SD too for more than 2 years without any issue
[17:32] <mod_eerf> that'll increase verbosity
[17:33] <sodhi> christ :D
[17:33] <KameSense> I wondered if the RasPi wasn't killing SD
[17:33] <paxcoder> anyone, please, why would sdtv_mode setting in /boot/config.txt revert to 2 after setting it to 1 and rebooting?
[17:33] <Milos|Netbook> KameSense, IPCop, firewall?
[17:33] <sodhi> WTH
[17:33] <Milos|Netbook> KameSense, do you actually use it, or does it sit there doing nothing?
[17:33] <sodhi> wlan0: 7: 00:19:70:9e:d2:5e ssid='TDC-22B5' wpa_ie_len=26 rsn_ie_len=24 caps=0x11 level=-77 wps
[17:33] <sodhi> wlan0: skip - blacklisted (count=1 limit=0)
[17:33] <KameSense> yes
[17:33] <[SLB]> in /boot/config.txt you set it to 1 and after reboot you find it 2?
[17:33] <sodhi> why.. is it blacklisted+1
[17:33] <Milos|Netbook> KameSense, because there's a difference.
[17:33] <paxcoder> [SLB], exactly
[17:33] <KameSense> I'm using it 24/7
[17:33] <Milos|Netbook> KameSense, yeah, so are you writing data 24/7?
[17:34] <[SLB]> not sure, weird, try sync after saving the file before reboot
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> I don't think so.
[17:34] <KameSense> logs yes
[17:34] <paxcoder> [SLB], sync?
[17:34] <[SLB]> yes
[17:34] <[SLB]> just "sync"
[17:34] <Milos|Netbook> KameSense, it simply isn't the same, you will find out on your own.
[17:35] <KameSense> I don't really see why
[17:35] <paxcoder> [SLB], thx for the suggestion, will tell you how it goes. rebooting now.
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[17:35] <teh_> note to self:
[17:35] <teh_> kill wabbit
[17:36] <KameSense> teh_: self is not connected I think :-]
[17:36] <teh_> xD
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[17:38] <mod_eerf> check /etc/modprobe.d/ directory and "grep wlan0 *"
[17:38] <mod_eerf> man wpa_supplicant
[17:38] <mod_eerf> to view diff drivers, etc
[17:38] <KameSense> so... the RasPi is going to cost me $5 a month because of the SD...
[17:39] <KameSense> that sucks
[17:40] <Benighted> kamesense there are workarounds, but that's it for now
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[17:41] <Benighted> kamesense I was thinking of trying steps outlined here http://rpitc.blogspot.ca/2012/06/rpi-tuning-boost-your-rpi.html to see if that makes a difference
[17:41] <paxcoder> [SLB], still reverting
[17:42] <[SLB]> hm not sure..
[17:42] <[SLB]> can you actually edit some other setting in there?
[17:42] <paxcoder> i think sdtv_mode is commented out by default, so at some point i had to uncomment it
[17:43] <KameSense> Benighted: now that's interesting !
[17:43] <[SLB]> i have it too set to 2 and it keeps it fine
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[17:44] <paxcoder> [SLB], it's got two smallish black strips above and below the picture. but the worst part is it's black and white
[17:44] <[SLB]> on tv you mean?
[17:44] <paxcoder> [SLB], yes
[17:45] <[SLB]> did you try different hdmi modes and groups?
[17:45] <paxcoder> when i switch to "SVHS" (i'm going through my VHS device)
[17:45] <Benighted> KameSense I thought so too!
[17:45] <paxcoder> if i try to go through vhs then the dvb-t converter, then tv, it show color, but only for a split second, then it gets snowy
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[17:47] <paxcoder> if you have any advice, please share, gotta go afk
[17:47] <sodhi> mod_eerf: There's a fbdev-blacklist.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/, but it contains no mention of anything wlan'ish. :P
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[17:56] <sodhi> mod_eerf: looks like killing off network manager did the trick.
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[18:01] <mod_eerf> oh yea definitely
[18:01] <mod_eerf> cool
[18:02] <mod_eerf> i forgot bout that one...i don't use it with slackware
[18:03] <mrlespaulman> I have no sound from my Pi except through XBMC. I'm running Raspbian, any ideas?
[18:03] <sodhi> mod_eerf: It comes with raspbmc :P
[18:03] <mrlespaulman> I'm outputting to HDMI, and I've tried retroarch, omxplayer, aplayer, and helo_audio to no avail.
[18:03] <sodhi> mod_eerf: But it works now. Thank you so much for your assistance :)
[18:04] <misterbonnie> mrlespaulman: is PCM muted
[18:04] <Cheery> it's somewhat epic feeling to wire raspberry pi
[18:05] <sodhi> how so?
[18:05] <misterbonnie> mrlespaulman: what's alsamixer say?
[18:05] <mrlespaulman> amixer: Playback -1725 [80%] [-17.25dB] [on]
[18:05] <Cheery> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ohvMkOT4j5I#t=131s
[18:05] <Cheery> something like that epic.
[18:05] <mrlespaulman> Alsa mixer shows a bar thats half green, half black and says 00, then 44, then PCM
[18:06] <Cheery> sodhi: well it just is. after everything it looks like part of the wires and nothing interesting
[18:06] <Cheery> sodhi: well.. actually I'm doing something quite epic for it soon.
[18:06] <misterbonnie> mrlespaulman: is there like MM at the bottom of the bar, that got me before
[18:06] <Cheery> so the mood matches
[18:07] <mrlespaulman> Nope, just 00, 44, and PCM
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[18:10] <mrlespaulman> This has got me stumped
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[18:15] <mod_eerf> sodhi, no prob...i'm using raspbmc on my pi too
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[18:18] <mrlespaulman> any ideas for the sound issue?
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[18:26] <Benighted> mrlespaulman in your config.txt do you have hdmi_drive=2 uncommented?
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[18:29] <tero> anything sound related is allmost impossible to do on rpi :(
[18:29] <tero> you allways hear clicks pops etc...
[18:30] <AC`97> tero: newest firmware ??
[18:30] <biberao> hi
[18:31] <tero> AC`97 ?
[18:31] <AC`97> ??
[18:31] <tero> what exactly is firmaware on rpi? I have the latest raspbian and upgraded...
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[18:31] <AC`97> it means https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[18:36] <sirclockalot> where is the start elf for the 512mb version?
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[18:41] <KameSense> Benighted: ok I didn't do all the tweaks, but the RasPi seems to run faster
[18:42] <KameSense> I hope it'll save the SD too
[18:42] <PReDiToR> I've just organised a RasPi meet in York, UK. Anyone is welcome to join, details are in the forum.
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[18:48] <Benighted> KameSense - cool, fingers crossed
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[18:50] <tero> AC`97 so what exactly should I do with these?
[18:51] <Benighted> kamesense which did you do?
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[18:51] <KameSense> Benighted: - noatime (no access time), nodiratime (same for directories instead of files) and data=writeback
[18:51] <KameSense> put on cmdline.txt: rootflags=data=writeback,commit=120 quiet
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[18:52] <KameSense> and I'm planning to mount /var/log on a cheap USB stick
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[18:54] <Mike-N-Go> KameSense: Why not mount var-log in RAM?
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[18:55] <KameSense> to see what happened if there are problems
[18:55] <KameSense> and if the RasPi hangs
[18:55] <Mike-N-Go> Ahh. You need nonvolatile storage.
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[18:58] <KameSense> I don't really need, but I prefer
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[18:59] <tero> dammnit i just can't get rid of pops and clicks in streaming sound over the internet :(
[18:59] <tero> guys do you hear clicks and pops right? http://qstream.robi.tv:8000/example1.ogg.m3u
[19:00] <Vazde> i hear them
[19:00] <KameSense> I can hear them too
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[19:03] <tero> :(
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[19:03] <tero> damn i guess my idea of streaming music over rpi won't work :(
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[19:07] <Benighted> tero I have used last.fm with great success
[19:08] <tero> no
[19:08] <tero> i am talking about
[19:08] <Holden> tero, I saved a piece of the ogg stream, and I can see/hear the pops/clicks with audacity... how are you are compressing the stream? is the source acquired live via a sound card or are you playing from files?
[19:08] <tero> that rpi is the streaming server
[19:08] <tero> well
[19:08] <tero> i have bought an usb sound card
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[19:08] <Benighted> ah, could be a power issue then
[19:08] <tero> and setup icecast ices2 to get stream from line-in
[19:08] <Benighted> powered hub, or direct into pi?
[19:08] <tero> direct into pi
[19:08] <tero> but i have rev2 pi
[19:09] <Benighted> still using same USB chip
[19:09] <tero> heh i have a powerd usb hub at home.
[19:09] <tero> i don't think that will help
[19:09] <Holden> tero, if you record with arecord from the usb card, does this problem appear?
[19:09] <tero> but i will try
[19:09] <tero> Holden hm... good question
[19:10] <tero> :)
[19:10] <tero> i will try it now
[19:10] <Holden> tero, plus, if you can, tell us what usb card you've got
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[19:12] <tero> Holden well some no name usb sound card
[19:12] <tero> let me check lsusb
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[19:13] <tero> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:0102 C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM106 Like Sound Device
[19:13] <Holden> tero, hmm, i think it's the same one i got... do you have a picture?
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[19:14] <tero> Holden this might be a stupid question, but how exactly can you record with a record CD quality sound?
[19:14] <tero> i mean 44100 16bit?
[19:14] <Holden> tero, -f cd
[19:15] <scrts> regarding audio quality: is there any significant difference in sound, when using 24bit or 16bit DACs?
[19:15] <AC`97> depends on your speakers/headphones
[19:15] <Hodapp> scrts: If you're going to do further processing on the audio, yes.
[19:16] <Hodapp> scrts: If you're just listening to it, then regardless of your speakers/headphones, it's pretty much below the noise floor.
[19:16] <scrts> and what if I want to make a simple pc sound card?
[19:16] <sirclockalot> can someone help, they don't have the start elf for the 512MB on the github and i have no idea what i should do to have the right mememory split with the new 512 version
[19:16] <AC`97> just go with 16bit
[19:16] <scrts> cool, thanks
[19:16] <Hodapp> oh, we're talking DAC, not ADC
[19:16] <Hodapp> yeah, just use 16-bit
[19:16] <AC`97> :P
[19:17] <Hodapp> at 24-bit you're still probably wasting most of those bits
[19:17] <AC`97> and cpu cycles
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[19:17] <tero> Holden well i guess i find out this is a hw or driver problem
[19:17] <tero> not streaming
[19:17] <tero> because i here pops and clicks here to
[19:18] <Holden> tero, what's the complete command line that you are using?
[19:18] <Mike-N-Go> tero: What audio interface? Onboard? Or USB dongle?
[19:18] <AC`97> onboard.
[19:18] <tero> arecord -f cd -d 30 test5.wav
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[19:19] <tero> no i am trying to RECORD a sound
[19:19] <tero> not played it
[19:19] <AC`97> oh. whups
[19:19] <Mike-N-Go> There is onboard mic in?
[19:19] <AC`97> (nope)
[19:19] <Mike-N-Go> For the RPI??
[19:19] <Mike-N-Go> I am confused, tero
[19:19] <AC`97> tero: you have to adjust the buffer and stuffs
[19:19] <tero> Mike-N-Go no :) i am trying usb sound card
[19:19] <AC`97> i remember having to do something like that with my pogoplug
[19:20] <Mike-N-Go> Ahh, okay.
[19:20] <tero> well
[19:20] <tero> actually
[19:20] <tero> playing
[19:20] <tero> sound fine
[19:20] <tero> no clicks and pops
[19:20] <Holden> tero, try adding -v -v, and post the output
[19:20] <tero> Holden ok what is the whole command ?
[19:20] <Holden> tero, arecord -v -v -f cd -d 30 test5.wav
[19:20] <Mike-N-Go> How is the USB sound card getting power? From pi or hub
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[19:22] <tero> Holden http://pastebin.com/QKK3LmWM
[19:22] <Benighted> mike-n-go direct to pi, that's the first thing I asked too
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[19:23] <tero> well i don't think that is a power issue
[19:23] <tero> then why would playing worked just fine?
[19:23] <Mike-N-Go> I do not know much about how the sounds cards work, but it might be a power issue.
[19:23] <Mike-N-Go> line out is different then line in.
[19:23] <tero> and I have rev2.0 board
[19:24] <Mike-N-Go> Did you try the sound card on a different computer? Does it have the same issue?
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[19:24] <tero> Mike-N-Go hmm well i did try playing something on my windows px
[19:24] <tero> *pc
[19:24] <tero> but not record
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[19:25] <Holden> tero, ok, I see at least a xrun, that would explain the pop/click. but also I see your sound card can record a stereo signal, so it must be different from mine (which has a modo mic input)
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[19:25] <Holden> tero, run htop while recording and look at the cpu usage
[19:25] <Sonny_Jim> Hey guys, just writing up a quick howto decode pager messages with a DVB-T tuner and a raspberry pi
[19:25] <Sonny_Jim> Where would be the best place to upload it?
[19:26] <Holden> tero, also, try using -D hw:0 in the command line, to avoid further processing of the recorded samples
[19:26] <tero> Holden ok it is running
[19:26] <tero> hmm
[19:26] <tero> cpu usage is really not that bad
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[19:27] <tero> actually htop is using more cpu power for itself then arecord :)
[19:27] <Mike-N-Go> tero: Testing the interface of the line/mic in on another computer (non pi) would help us narrow the issue down.
[19:27] <Holden> hmm, then it's stange you hit a buffer overrun
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[19:27] <Mike-N-Go> Sonny_Jim: Do you have a github account?
[19:28] <Mike-N-Go> Sonny_Jim: https://github.com/
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[19:28] <Sonny_Jim> Mike-N-Go: It's not really sourcecode, just glueing together of a few apps
[19:29] <Sonny_Jim> I was thinking more along the lines of a wiki page
[19:29] <tero> ok thanx guys for your help...
[19:29] <tero> i will now try this soundcard on windows pc
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[19:30] <Mike-N-Go> tero: Hope your issue gets resolved. Worst come to worst, you can send the audio over the ethernet with the audio on a proper desktop PC.
[19:30] <tero> heh
[19:30] <Mike-N-Go> =D
[19:30] <tero> well do you know what am I actually trying to do?
[19:30] <tero> I am trying to stream music from line-in to the internet
[19:31] <Mike-N-Go> tero: Get the audio to stop cheeping.
[19:31] <tero> and rpi would be in theory perfect for that
[19:31] <Mike-N-Go> Try a different sound card, too.
[19:32] <Mike-N-Go> Sonny_Jim: Dropbox sounds like a good service for what you want to do.
[19:32] <Mike-N-Go> https://www.dropbox.com/
[19:32] <tero> ok
[19:32] <tero> in windows
[19:32] <tero> works fine
[19:32] <tero> last thing I can do is try to use a usb hub
[19:33] <Mike-N-Go> tero: elternal (ie. not from pi) _powered_ usb hub
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[19:44] <Benighted> tero - should help
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[20:17] <passstab> what is the simplest way to light a led with the pi?
[20:19] <rikkib> wiringPi
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[20:21] <passstab> is there a how-to?
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[20:33] <scummos> put it in series with a 200 ohm resistor
[20:33] * [SLB]` is now known as [SLB]
[20:33] <scummos> and put it on the GPIO pins
[20:34] <scummos> then use python to enable the port
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[20:38] <Sonny_Jim> how come sudo echo "gpu_mem_512=64" >> /boot/config.txt doesn't work, when I can edit the file manually with sudo nano /boot/config.txt?
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[20:39] <qrwteyrutiyoup> Sonny_Jim, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/84882/sudo-echo-something-etc-privilegedfile-doesnt-work-is-there-an-alterna
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[20:39] <Sieva> GooIM is registering the latest gapps for the latest builds as ICS... but the JB ones work... also would be nice if there was even a short snippet in the changelog.
[20:40] <[SLB]> su -c 'echo "gpu_mem_512=64" >> /boot/config.txt'
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[20:41] <KameSense> so, I switched /var/log to a cheap USB stick, and it flashes pretty often
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[20:41] <KameSense> the logging system may wear out the SD quite a lot
[20:41] <Sonny_Jim> Ah cool, thanks
[20:41] <[SLB]> yw
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[20:43] <lmarcetic> any reason why changes to the boot partition would be reset after rebooting?
[20:45] <Sieva> whoops sry for the spam
[20:45] <jelly1> [SLB]: btw if you dont have that /boot/config.txt you wont have 512 mb right
[20:45] <jelly1> ram
[20:46] <[SLB]> you mean the file itself or something in it?
[20:46] <jelly1> the file itself + value
[20:46] <jelly1> ah well will look into it when it's weekend
[20:46] <[SLB]> config.txt should be there already, at least in raspbian
[20:47] <Sieva> lmarcetic: don't quote me on this but im pretty sure the /boot partition is only seen as a virtual system by the running OS.
[20:47] <[SLB]> also if you don't specify the ram split, i think there's the default split taking over
[20:47] <lmarcetic> Sieva, so I can't write to it from a live sys? That's inconvenient
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[20:47] <[SLB]> /boot is a mount point for the first vfat partition
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[20:48] <OpenSys> on question about the ram, as i check if i have 512mb of ram ?
[20:48] <OpenSys> cpu revision ?
[20:48] <[SLB]> http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/RPI_SOC_04.jpg
[20:48] <[SLB]> do you have an updated firmware?
[20:48] <[SLB]> if so, yes
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[20:49] <OpenSys> [SLB], 4G is 512ram ?
[20:49] <[SLB]> yes
[20:50] <OpenSys> ok thank you
[20:50] <[SLB]> yw
[20:51] <lmarcetic> [SLB], i can't write to it
[20:51] <[SLB]> why
[20:51] <lmarcetic> i can, but it's not really written
[20:51] <lmarcetic> the sys lies to me
[20:52] <[SLB]> hm
[20:52] <rikkib> People in the UK seem to getting 512 units. I wonder how long before they filter down to us poor plebs in the South Pacific.
[20:52] <[SLB]> not sure lmarcetic, not the first case today it seems :\
[20:53] <lmarcetic> i'll try writing to the card on another pc
[20:53] <lmarcetic> cya
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[20:54] <KameSense> what do you do with your RasPi to be short with 256Mb RAM ?
[20:54] <jelly1> X
[20:56] <KameSense> RasPrOn ? X'D
[20:57] <jelly1> no
[20:57] <jelly1> KameSense: graphical env
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[20:57] <KameSense> yeah understood, just kidding
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[20:58] <KameSense> but X runs on a 256Mb RasPi too
[20:58] <jelly1> KameSense: browsers sure love ram
[20:58] <jelly1> caching is nice
[20:59] <KameSense> people sure love to buy a bicycle to ride on a highway...
[21:00] <Benighted> kamesense, it's an adrenhaline rush
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[21:00] <KameSense> :-]
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[21:01] <Benighted> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ckuks2A08&feature=related just found this, some pretty interesting subject matter after the first 13 minutes of shameless product plugging
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[21:14] <Benighted> maybe dumb question, is there a bootloader yet?
[21:15] <Benighted> or a way to have selection menu between raspbmc and wheezy?
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[21:42] <daihuws> Hello all. Just got a quick question: I finally got my RPi about a week ago. Over the past couple of days I've noticed it's been pretty much arbitrarily shutting off. I'm thinking it's probably an issue with the power supply. I'm using a power supply that I got from The Pi Hut, which was marketed as being "manufactured specially for the Raspberry Pi computer".
[21:43] <daihuws> Just wondered if anyone else has experienced similar issue? Another thing is is that's it's only really been doing this since I updated the firmware on Raspbian, although that may be coincidental.
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[21:47] <Benighted> first I've heard
[21:47] <Benighted> how much are you running off the usb ports?
[21:48] <Benighted> if you have a hub that isn't self powered, might have something to do with the resets
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[21:51] <daihuws> No powered USB port. When I was last using it I had a keyboard and a USB drive plugged in.
[21:52] <daihuws> I'll try running it 'headless' over SSH with nothing plugged into the USB ports and see if it re-occurs.
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[21:53] <Benighted> might be the quickest way to rule that out, power requirements are pretty minimal if you aren't slaving much more than a keyboard/mouse
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[21:54] <daihuws> I mean, it could be the household power being a bit flakey for all I know. Quite near to a substation. The lights do flicker from time to time...
[21:54] <aaa801> Im working on a way to rip and reimage sd cards much faster
[21:54] <Benighted> you know that was a question on my mind
[21:54] <aaa801> raw disk access in java <3
[21:54] <Benighted> brown outs would cause it
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[21:55] <Benighted> aaa801 nice - is there any possibility to add an fsck -f and force mount of mmcblk0p2's that timeout?
[21:56] <aaa801> this is a imager
[21:56] <aaa801> =/
[21:56] <Benighted> instead of blk0p2, make that wherever it's trying to mount root from
[21:56] <Benighted> ah
[21:56] <aaa801> bloody heck
[21:56] <Benighted> damnit, I wish I had more skills
[21:56] <aaa801> its only letting me read 512 b blocks from the sd card at a time
[21:56] <aaa801> :<
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[21:57] <Benighted> check out http://rpitc.blogspot.ca some pretty good disk tuning tips on there
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[21:57] <aaa801> i dont think you understand what im making
[21:57] <aaa801> faster version of win32disk imager
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[21:57] <Hodapp> aaa801: are not most of these tools I/O bound?
[21:58] <aaa801> most rip off all the empty data
[21:58] <aaa801> ;)
[21:58] <aaa801> now to code a mbr reader in java
[21:58] <aaa801> o the joy
[21:58] <Hodapp> MBR is dead simple, shouldn't be too bad
[21:58] <aaa801> ye aparantly theres 2 types
[21:58] <aaa801> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record#Sector_layout
[21:58] <aaa801> 2 main types
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[21:58] <aaa801> and a bunch of lesser used ones
[21:59] <s5fs> aaa801: thats a neat project, you gunna post source when its done?
[21:59] <Hodapp> the actual part you are reading at +446 is always the same
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[21:59] <aaa801> s5fs : ye but im a messy coder
[21:59] <s5fs> aaa801: thats okay, i'm sure we've all seen worse
[22:00] <s5fs> aaa801: but o/ for releasing it!
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[22:01] <aaa801> System.out.println(mbr.substring(446,462));
[22:01] <aaa801> System.out.println(mbr.substring(462,478));
[22:01] <aaa801> System.out.println(mbr.substring(478,494));
[22:01] <aaa801> System.out.println(mbr.substring(494,510));
[22:01] <aaa801> doesnt actualy seem to be any data there :s
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[22:02] <aaa801> nvm
[22:02] <aaa801> was reading the partition instead of the drive
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[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> Any idea how long it takes to resize a 16GB card on boot?
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> I don't have a USB keyboard and the screen has just blanked, so I can't tell if it's finished or not
[22:16] <aaa801> a long time
[22:16] <aaa801> online resize is slow as hell
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> 3 hours? 40 minutes?
[22:16] <aaa801> well it takes around 30mins to do my 8gb
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> oh ok
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> So probably around an hour to 2 horus
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> :-(
[22:17] <Sonny_Jim> I guess I'll just setup ping and wait for it to pop up
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[22:21] <biberao> hi
[22:21] <biberao> anyone running xibo?
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[22:28] <Sonny_Jim> Woop, done
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[22:33] <IanMc> Greetings Pi ers :) I just got mine today from Farnell :)
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[22:34] <IanMc> I have already 'planked' it
[22:34] <Benighted> SLB still around?
[22:34] <[SLB]> ya
[22:34] <Benighted> what did you use for rsync / to usb, I used -arvh but it's only sending incremental file list
[22:35] <Benighted> congrats IanMc
[22:35] <IanMc> Cheers :)
[22:35] <aaa801> Starting CHS values 00 01 20
[22:35] <aaa801> Ending CHS values 03 e0 ff
[22:35] <aaa801> :3
[22:35] <Benighted> IanMc why you say you think you bricked it?
[22:35] <IanMc> no. 'planked' :)
[22:35] <IanMc> http://goodfunthings.com/SharedImages/PiAndArduino_Planked.jpg
[22:36] <[SLB]> rsync -au --progress
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[22:36] <aaa801> stupid freking mbr entrys with unsigned data types q_q
[22:36] <saturation> damn, I hate that usb current limit
[22:36] <saturation> otherwise rasberry pi is great
[22:36] <aaa801> saturation: you can bypass it
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[22:37] <saturation> also that gpu driverstuff sucks
[22:37] <saturation> aaa801: yea but how stable that is?
[22:37] <aaa801> prety dam stable
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[22:37] <aaa801> its basicaly the same mod they did on v2 boards
[22:37] <aaa801> just bypass the fuses
[22:37] <saturation> hmh
[22:37] <saturation> I have version 2?
[22:37] <saturation> I think
[22:37] <Benighted> SLB same issue
[22:38] <Benighted> anyone have a dual boot setup? raspbmc/wheezy
[22:38] <Benighted> ?
[22:38] <saturation> cat /proc/cpu_info says revision 00004 samething
[22:38] <[SLB]> what's the problem exactly?
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[22:38] <saturation> something*
[22:39] <Benighted> slb 'sending incremental file list - sent 769kb, received 3kb, total size 670m
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[22:39] <[SLB]> what paths are you using?
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[22:40] <[SLB]> weird
[22:40] <Benighted> weird
[22:40] <Benighted> ah, think I spotted it
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[22:42] <Benighted> damnit, nope
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[22:42] <saturation> aaa801: how much rev 2 boards outputs the current?
[22:42] <[SLB]> can you copy the whole command here
[22:43] <Benighted> sudo rsync -arvh /media/raspbmc/ /media/77f2fa79-3dcd-4908-9adc-d10c563c4a9d
[22:43] <Benighted> also tried -au --progress with same result
[22:43] <brookman32k> Hi, I have received my raspberry toady! \ ^_^ / Of course now the questions arise... For example: How can I connect to a WIFI on command line?
[22:43] <saturation> brookman32k: google helps :)
[22:43] <Gumby> depends on your encryption type (if any)
[22:43] <scummos> brookman32k: it's a bit complicated, but read the manpanges for iwconfig, wpa-supplicant and dhclient
[22:44] <brookman32k> wpa2
[22:44] <[SLB]> try with sudo rsync -arvh /media/raspbmc/ /media/77f2fa79-3dcd-4908-9adc-d10c563c4a9d/ or sudo rsync -arvh /media/raspbmc/* /media/77f2fa79-3dcd-4908-9adc-d10c563c4a9d
[22:44] <saturation> so will we, but try your self also :)
[22:44] <IanMc> welldone brookman :) me too
[22:44] <brookman32k> :D
[22:44] <saturation> if using arch linux wicd is easy to use
[22:44] <scummos> brookman32k: can also install a CLI network manager
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[22:44] <scummos> yes, like that
[22:44] <saturation> I am not sure if its available on debian-based system
[22:44] <Gumby> brookman32k: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/
[22:44] <brookman32k> is there a way to show all access points?
[22:44] <[SLB]> yes saturation
[22:45] <Gumby> iwlist wlan0 scan
[22:45] <PReDiToR> wicd works under cli
[22:45] <Gumby> assuming you have wireless tools installed
[22:45] <saturation> [SLB]: ok, netcfg is only for arch?
[22:45] <brookman32k> iwlist is not installed and not found via apt-get
[22:45] <Gumby> as well as wlan0 is your nic interface
[22:45] <aaa801> huh
[22:45] <Gumby> brookman32k: apt-get install wireless-tools
[22:45] <[SLB]> not sure about that, i use raspbian on the pi
[22:45] <aaa801> saturation: kinda busy, decoding chs in java
[22:45] <aaa801> xd
[22:45] <brookman32k> ah
[22:45] <Gumby> brookman32k: go to that URL I posted
[22:45] <Gumby> its all there
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[22:45] <clever> brookman32k: if you have wpa setup, wpa_cli scan_results i think
[22:45] <brookman32k> thanks thanks!
[22:45] <saturation> aaa801: chs?
[22:46] <[SLB]> but wicd is in raspbian repos too
[22:46] <Benighted> slb no difference, that's frustrating
[22:46] <Benighted> worked fine the other way around
[22:46] <aaa801> saturation: http://blog.jgriffiths.org/?p=331
[22:46] <[SLB]> uh i don't get it :\
[22:46] <aaa801> basicaly im reading raw disk info
[22:46] <[SLB]> the second command?
[22:46] <saturation> aaa801: why with java?
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[22:46] <saturation> aaa801: some forensics stuff?
[22:47] <aaa801> na
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[22:47] <aaa801> making a disk imager
[22:47] <aaa801> that doesnt copy blank space
[22:47] <saturation> with java? :)
[22:47] <aaa801> ye
[22:47] <aaa801> it has raw disk access
[22:47] <saturation> gee :)
[22:47] <aaa801> File diskRoot = new File ("\\\\.\\PhysicalDrive1");
[22:47] <aaa801> RandomAccessFile diskAccess = new RandomAccessFile (diskRoot, "r");
[22:47] <saturation> there is software also available?
[22:47] <saturation> what apis are you using?
[22:47] <aaa801> just the raw java io
[22:47] <saturation> I have been working with java now for erm 5 years
[22:47] <saturation> aa ok
[22:47] <Benighted> nice, no blank space plz
[22:48] <aaa801> ye im working in notepad, il neaten it up later
[22:48] <saturation> aaa801: doesn't fdisk etc. work?
[22:48] <aaa801> IM MAKING MY OWN DAM TOOL
[22:48] <aaa801> LEAVE ME ALONE Q_Q
[22:48] <saturation> :D
[22:48] <aaa801> :p
[22:48] <saturation> aaa801: ok :)
[22:48] <saturation> no no, it is great I think, I am just curious :)
[22:49] <saturation> aaa801: open source? I would love to see it and learn
[22:49] <aaa801> ye its going to be open source
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[22:49] <aaa801> messy as sin tho xD
[22:49] <saturation> make sure hit me when you will release it
[22:49] <aaa801> will do
[22:50] <saturation> thank you :)
[22:50] <Benighted> anyone know of a bootloader for pi yet?
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[22:51] <aaa801> nop
[22:52] <Benighted> boot is using lba, why can't lilo do it?
[22:52] <aaa801> go make lilo for the pi
[22:52] <aaa801> ;)
[22:52] <saturation> why bootloader?
[22:53] <saturation> what problems does it solve?
[22:53] <Benighted> wheezy & raspbmc on the same box without swapping sd card?
[22:53] <saturation> true
[22:53] <saturation> yeah
[22:53] <knoppies> Benighted, I haven't tried it myself yet but someone suggested changing a config file which specifies your /root
[22:54] <linuxstb> Benighted: Perhaps berryboot? But that's not what I would call a proper bootloader (you can't choose a kernel)
[22:55] <Benighted> thanks for suggestions, I was thinking that knoppies, but for simplicity sake it would be great to switch between distros
[22:56] <knoppies> Benighted, I agree. I am still waiting for my Pi to arrive but I was wondering the same thing. Berryboot doesnt look too bad, I will give it a try, thanks linuxstb
[22:56] <Benighted> For example most of my web dev work, and tinkering in wheezy on my nice big samsung LED in the living room during the work day, when my gf gets home she wants to watch something - I need fast switching ppl!
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[22:58] <Benighted> would also like to work on arch builds, and other projects in my off time, having a nice 32GB USB drive is great, but ideally need something to select which boot partition e.g. gpu/split, root=, etc to use
[22:59] <Benighted> could do it in the office, but no dvi or hdmi on my screens in there :s
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[23:01] <Benighted> linuxstb berryboot looks promising for sure
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[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> I keep on getting filesystem errors, even though it's a brand new card and I'm doing nothing out of the ordinary
[23:04] <Benighted> corruption
[23:04] <Benighted> welcome to pi
[23:04] <Sonny_Jim> Is it common?
[23:05] <Benighted> depending on the card & distro, yes/no
[23:05] <Gumby> ".... - I need fast switching ppl!"
[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> Just using Wheezy atm
[23:05] <Gumby> A $5 SD card will fix that problem :)
[23:05] <linuxstb> Or another Pi ;)
[23:05] <Gumby> hehe
[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> I'm wondering if there's something faulty with my Pi
[23:06] <Benighted> I have both, another pi and another card, anyone make a good multi card setup yet?
[23:06] <Benighted> sonny_jim - no, try some disk tuning http://rpitc.blogspot.ca/p/sdcard-tuning.html
[23:06] <s5fs> Sonny_Jim: i had the same issue with class 10 cards
[23:06] <IanMc> what would be the minimum image size ? is there a popular one? without GUI etc. ?
[23:06] <Benighted> s5fs you ever get your patriot LX sorted?
[23:07] <s5fs> Benighted: nope, under a deadline. shoudln't even be in here, haha!
[23:07] <s5fs> little pi is just sittig and chugging along though
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[23:10] <Sonny_Jim> Gaaah
[23:10] <Sonny_Jim> [ 101.043428] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2): ext4_free_blocks:4657: comm git: Freeing blocks in system zone - Block = 557217, count = 1
[23:10] <Sonny_Jim> Why does it keep doing this?
[23:10] <Sonny_Jim> It means another 1hr wait whilst I reimage the card
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[23:11] <Benighted> Sonny_Jim - what type of card?
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> Doesn't have a brand written on it
[23:13] <Benighted> ah, go get a sandisk
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[23:14] <Sonny_Jim> It only seems to be the Pi that has the problem with it, my laptop reads/writes it just fine
[23:14] <Sonny_Jim> And it's done it to a Sandisk 2GB I have
[23:14] <Benighted> I tried dealing with those types of cards, save yourself time, you'll learn nothing from it :P
[23:14] <Sonny_Jim> But it does it with a branded Sandisk
[23:15] <Benighted> check out the link http://rpitc.blogspot.ca/p/sdcard-tuning.html has some good steps to try
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> That link is for FAT32
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> Not ext4
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[23:18] <[SLB]> you sure there's enough space on the sd?
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[23:23] <Benighted> s5fs patriot LX is running off a raspbmc image
[23:24] <Benighted> very pleased, just tried it
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[23:29] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/53666/
[23:29] <Cheery> I just got that compiling
[23:30] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/EOhI9pQeZtzrJQq3WtRC/
[23:31] <Cheery> the idea is somewhat along the lines of writing a video library for node.js that'd be easy to use.
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[23:36] <Cheery> all right. I'll try be bit more brave on this. :)
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[23:41] <biberao> Datalink|Elsewhe: ?
[23:41] <Sonny_Jim> [SLB]: I'm going to try using it without resizing the root partition to see if that's causing it
[23:41] <[SLB]> okies
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[23:42] <Datalink|Elsewhe> hi
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[23:43] <biberao> got a min?
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[23:58] <s5fs> Benighted: sweet!!
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