#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-26

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[0:24] <Benighted> s5fs yeah, used a class 4 for build, rsynced to a partition on usb stick, then deleted/recreated ext4, rsync'd from usb back onto new ext4 root, and worked like a charm
[0:24] <Benighted> finally able to boot without usb stick on my class 10 microSD
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[0:26] <s5fs> Benighted: haha, that's a lot of hoops, glad it worked.
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[0:26] <s5fs> i'll try to make time over the weekend
[0:26] <s5fs> i already have a working class 4, so i'm partways there.
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[0:35] <geordie> gertboard just arrived
[0:35] <knoppies> My Pi just arrived. Now I need to see if I can find an old SD card.
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[0:53] <sraue> if anyone want test a OpenELEC/XBMC RPi build with kernel 3.6.3 (so with updated dvb/wlan/other drivers): http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=140518&pid=1222752#pid1222752
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[0:57] * Syliss needs to sell his raspberry pi and accessories to by a nexus 7 if the price drops next week
[0:59] <knoppies> Syliss, why would you do that? I don't see you getting much for it. What kind of accessories are you talking about?
[0:59] <Syliss> lapdock
[1:00] <Syliss> with cables to work with it
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[1:01] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so it seems that the resizing step screws up my 16GB card
[1:02] <Sonny_Jim> So instead of resizing /, I'm going to setup separate partions and mount them
[1:03] <Benighted> s5fs running 720p stable (which is all I require right now) on raspbmc, now the real test is if wheezy works using the same method
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[1:08] <discopig> Sonny_Jim, i had the same issue
[1:08] <discopig> but i resized the partition in gparted
[1:08] <discopig> and it worked
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[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
[1:10] <Sonny_Jim> I looked into splitting up the filesystem
[1:11] <Sonny_Jim> then I thought 'just resize it with gparted'
[1:11] <bircoe> sraue, updating now...
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[1:15] <sraue> bircoe, let me know how it works in general :-)
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[1:17] <Syliss> which should help sell it for a little bit more, since you can use the rpi right out of the box with nothing extra needed at first
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[1:23] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-video
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[1:44] <Opinie> hey, how would I know that a wordpress server on my pi was accessible only on the LAN?
[1:45] <Opinie> I haven't set up a wordpress server yet, but just in thery
[1:45] <Opinie> *theory
[1:45] <discopig> try accessing its ip
[1:45] <Opinie> it's external ip, you mean?
[1:46] <discopig> eah
[1:46] <discopig> yeah
[1:46] <Opinie> aite
[1:46] <discopig> but if you have a router
[1:46] <discopig> it should be closed off to the outside world by default
[1:46] <Opinie> I do
[1:46] <Opinie> ah
[1:46] <Opinie> ok
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[1:46] <discopig> but you can try the external ip just to make sure
[1:46] <Opinie> thanks
[1:46] <discopig> np
[1:46] <Opinie> yeah
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[1:54] <PCLine_> How do you update the firmware?
[1:55] <IT_Sean> veeeeery carefully.
[1:56] <Sonny_Jim> I use rpi-update
[1:56] <Sonny_Jim> Simple
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[1:57] <PCLine_> I will verry Carefully type that in.. Thanks.
[1:57] <Sonny_Jim> You need to download it
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[1:57] <Sonny_Jim> Type:
[1:57] <Sonny_Jim> sudo apt-get install git
[1:57] <Sonny_Jim> git clone https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[1:58] <Sonny_Jim> sudo ./rpi-update/rpi-update
[1:59] <PCLine_> I can do that - I think.
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[2:02] <PCLine_> I hope I dontrun out of space
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[2:05] <bircoe> sraue, seems pretty good so far.
[2:05] <bircoe> question tho, if there are DVB drivers included, why do I need a PVR client?
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[2:06] <sraue> ou need a backend and a client, xbmc dont communicaes directly with the dvb drivers, only via a (local/nonlocal) backend like tvheadend,vdr or others
[2:07] <bircoe> I see
[2:07] <knoppies> I didnt know xbmc could do TV. I thought it was pre-obtained content only.
[2:08] <SIFTU> it can stream fron your dvr backend, tvheadend, mythtv etc
[2:08] <sraue> xbmc can do tv
[2:08] <bircoe> you don't keep up with the news do you :) they added PVR support about a month or so ago
[2:09] <cyclick> can it do CEC over HDMI yet?
[2:09] <bircoe> yes
[2:09] <knoppies> bircoe, nice. Nope, I like XBMC but I find that because it was originally written as a "game" for the XBox it doesn't idle very well.
[2:09] <bircoe> as long as the TV supports it
[2:10] <bircoe> if you turn off things like the RSS feed and fancy themes it idles quite nicely
[2:10] <knoppies> bircoe, never turned on RSS feeds, and I thought the whole point was the fancy themes.
[2:10] <bircoe> well that's a personal preferenace isn't it...
[2:10] <bircoe> they have done allot to help fix idle performance
[2:11] <bircoe> theres the dirty drawing feature which only updates regions of the screen that have changed
[2:11] <knoppies> thats good. Maybe I should have another look at it then.
[2:11] <bircoe> altho doesn;t work very well on my Pi
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[2:22] <PCLine_> I have more Memory now :) Thanks for the help Sonny_Jim.
[2:23] <PCLine_> What does the git clone ... do?
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[2:24] <knoppies> correct me if I am wrong, but I do not need to format my SD card before trying to put a Pi image on it?
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[2:24] <bircoe> yes you do
[2:24] <PCLine_> I didnt have to format my SD Card.
[2:25] <bircoe> well depends really
[2:25] <bircoe> if the image is a full fiel system then no
[2:25] <bircoe> write the image to the card and your done
[2:25] <knoppies> what should I use? ext3? ext4? Fat32?
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[2:26] <bircoe> what image are you trying to write?
[2:26] <bircoe> ext4 is the general choice
[2:26] <knoppies> bircoe, I haven't got an image yet.
[2:26] <bircoe> oh
[2:27] <bircoe> well you'll need one before the Pi is useful :)
[2:27] <bircoe> just go get the Debian Wheezy image or something, write it to the card and your done
[2:27] <knoppies> bircoe, I know, but I should be doing other things right now.
[2:27] <knoppies> thanks.
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[2:30] <PCLine_> I should be doing other things also .. But I am going to install a Web Server :)
[2:30] <SIFTU> i wonder if the ext4 corruption bug has anything to do with the pis
[2:30] <knoppies> SIFTU, it might. what kernal version does your Pi have?
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[2:32] <SIFTU> knoppies: I'll check, but it was in the 3.4-3.6 kernels
[2:32] <SIFTU> ah nope.. 3.2
[2:33] <knoppies> well the corruption bug is in the 3.4,3.5,3.6 kernals.
[2:34] <SIFTU> yeah ^^
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[2:37] <PReDiToR> Apparently it's possible, but not probable.
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[2:42] <cyclick> what is the overscan option on raspbian?
[2:43] <cyclick> I've read that it might get rid of black stripes... but I have it set to off and I am missing part of the display
[2:43] <knoppies> overscan on Monitors/TVs is when it displays the image so that the ends of the image are actually 'off the screen'
[2:44] <knoppies> It does that to prevent a 'letterbox' effect (the edges of the screen are black because their is no image being projected there)
[2:45] <knoppies> It was more relevant in the days of CRTs.
[2:45] <cyclick> so if I don't have a CRT it should be disabled?
[2:46] <knoppies> cyclick, not necessarily, but imo yes.
[2:46] <cyclick> (I have a wide screen)
[2:46] <plugwash_> ideally you want "overscan" disabled on BOTH ends
[2:46] <knoppies> if you are having display issues you can try turn it on and see if it makes a difference, but I doubt it.
[2:46] <cyclick> ok, thanks
[2:46] <plugwash_> but if you can't disable it on the TV end then you will have to enable it on the Pi end
[2:47] <plugwash_> or get a less rubbish TV
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[2:48] <cyclick> I think my TV has CEC so I will keep it
[2:50] <cyclick> in other words, I'm pretty sure everything else can be fixed....
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[2:56] <knoppies> I should have run time with my dd command.
[2:57] <knoppies> cyclick, you could just look around in your TVs menu/settings. Or even in the manual if you are that way so inclined.
[2:57] <DeliriumTremens> anyone here using Emulation Station?
[2:58] <DeliriumTremens> When i load it up i'm not getting much of a menu, and i cant exit/quit
[2:58] <DeliriumTremens> not sure if it's the resolution leaving out some of the menu or what
[2:58] <echelon> so.. where exactly am i supposed to purchase a raspberry poop
[2:58] <echelon> lol people are bidding $54 for it on ebay
[2:58] <echelon> what a joke
[2:59] <Syliss> I'm thinking of selling my pi with a moto lapdock soon prolly
[3:00] <echelon> i ordered a lapdock for 50 bucks just the other day
[3:00] <Syliss> yeah its price fluxes a lot
[3:00] <knoppies> echelon, are you in the states?
[3:00] <echelon> yeah
[3:00] <echelon> Syliss: actually, the seller just didn't know the market value for one
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[3:00] <knoppies> echelon, then I dont know. But on the other end of the world I ordered it from element14.
[3:00] <echelon> i think they just based it on the fact that no one was buying them previously
[3:01] <echelon> if there's one thing mr. upton fails at is distribution
[3:01] <echelon> it's*
[3:02] <cyclick> knoppies, plugwash_, thanks it is fixed.. for some reason my TV was set to stretch the display on that input so the TV was indeed the problem..
[3:03] <knoppies> cyclick, glad its fixed.
[3:05] <knoppies> Can I use a USB phone charger to pwer the RPi? From what I understand they short the USB data pins to tell the phone its plugged into the wall. Does anyone know if this will be a problem?
[3:05] <PReDiToR> knoppies: Neither of the data pins are connectd to the PCB on the RasPi. No problem at all.
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[3:06] <knoppies> PReDiToR, sweet.
[3:06] <plugwash_> The data pins on the Pi's micro USB connector doesn't connect to anything so that isn't an issue
[3:06] <knoppies> My Pi smells weird.
[3:06] <plugwash_> however some cheaper phone chargers are problematic
[3:06] <PReDiToR> And fakes
[3:06] <plugwash_> the Pi is much fussier about voltage than mobile phones are
[3:08] <plugwash_> what you don't want is a PSU like the one described in http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T88ej64aXUM
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[3:11] <knoppies> is there something I have to do to the Pi to turn it on? I've plugged it in and the PWR light comes on but no display.
[3:11] <knoppies> No act light either.
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[3:12] <knoppies> Its an HTC phone charger.
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[3:13] <Syliss> i use both an iPhone charger
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[3:15] <knoppies> plugwash_, Im watching this youtube vid and thats scary. They will sell that as a consumer good.
[3:15] <shiftplusone> knoppies, your sd card could be incompatible or you might have not imaged it right.
[3:15] <knoppies> shiftplusone, Im not sure the SD card was big enough.
[3:15] <knoppies> shiftplusone, its a 2G one and the image was 1.9G, Its a microSD in an adapter.
[3:15] <shiftplusone> I am not sure microsd is a good idea.
[3:16] <knoppies> shiftplusone, its a spare I had.
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[3:16] <shiftplusone> I'd blame the card. Check the verified peripherals list on the elinux wiki and go from there.
[3:16] <knoppies> ok, thank you.
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[3:17] <shiftplusone> nw
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[3:17] <Leestons> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[3:18] <Syliss> i use micros for mine
[3:18] <Syliss> microsd*
[3:18] <Syliss> but normally i use the lap dock to power the pi
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[3:20] <geordie> i just opened my ups shipment from newark. the master packing list said gertboard but there was an unordered pi 512 in the envelope.
[3:20] <geordie> not happy.
[3:21] <Syliss> uh oh
[3:21] <Leestons> and some poor guy has ordered his first pi and received a gertboard
[3:21] <geordie> yeah
[3:22] <geordie> i'm going to get up at 0500 here on the west coast and phone them as soon as their office opens at 0800 EST.
[3:23] <geordie> i'm tempted to say the envelope was empty...
[3:23] <plugwash_> supplies will screw things up from time to time it's inevitable
[3:23] <PReDiToR> Honesty is always the best policy
[3:23] <geordie> PReDiToR: yeah, i'm not really going to di it
[3:23] <geordie> do it
[3:23] <plugwash_> the question is how they respond when you call them about their screwups
[3:24] <geordie> if they have stock they'll probably send one out right away, and make arrangements for me to return this one to them at their cost.
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[3:33] <knoppies> got the Pi working on my 2Gig microsd
[3:34] <knoppies> I havent plugged a keyboard in though. Let me find one.
[3:34] <cyclick> you changed the SD card reader for a micro-sd card reader ?
[3:35] <cyclick> that would be nice
[3:36] <knoppies> cyclick, ? No
[3:36] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
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[3:36] <Sonny_Jim> Just use an adaptor
[3:36] <Syliss> there is a smaller adapter you can use
[3:36] <knoppies> I realised I put the wrong SD card in. I use a microSD to SD card adapter.
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[3:37] <cyclick> Sonny_Jim, I know adaptors exist.. but if they exist smaller then regular sd cards I didnt know
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[3:38] <PReDiToR> There is one, but for the lack of size it costs a lot. I saw someone had DIY cut one down.
[3:38] <knoppies> My Pi has booted.
[3:40] <cyclick> does raspberry-pi ver-C plan on micro-sd?
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[3:43] <PReDiToR> cyclick: A) Nobody knows B) There was talk that micro-SD adapters cost more and weren't as long lived.
[3:43] <PReDiToR> Not adapters, sockets.
[3:43] <cyclick> why wouldn't they be as long lived if they are in every phone
[3:44] <PReDiToR> The ones in phones aren't supposed to be inserted and removed regularly, I imagine.
[3:44] <cyclick> they use less metal ;)
[3:44] <piney0> phones are designed for ~ a 2 year life span
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[3:45] <UnaClocker> Yay, got my 512mb Pi from eBay today! Only 3 weeks before Newark was going to send me one. :)
[3:45] <knoppies> It says I only have 184MB of memory, is the rest allocated to video?
[3:45] <knoppies> UnaClocker, sweet. I got my 512mb Pi today too.
[3:46] <UnaClocker> knoppies: You need to run rpi-update, make sure you have the latest rpi-update
[3:46] <DeliriumTremens> UnaClocker: how much more did you pay for that?
[3:46] <UnaClocker> DeliriumTremens: $8 less than Newark was going to charge me.
[3:46] <cyclick> just an idea.. maybe they should design it so that the SD card doesnt stick out of the board if they insist on SD.. but I still love raspberry pi !
[3:46] <DeliriumTremens> cyclick: maybe to keep the board small, it has to be that way
[3:46] <UnaClocker> cyclick: I agree, but space is at a premium.
[3:46] <PReDiToR> Just turning it round so that it is all under the board would be great.
[3:47] <knoppies> UnaClocker, thanks.
[3:47] <Leestons> Wouldn't that make it tricky to insert PReDiToR ?
[3:47] <cyclick> DeliriumTremens, UnaClocker, yeah I'm sure there is a good reason since they have such a nice design
[3:47] <knoppies> I think there is a hack so you can have your SD card somewhere else.
[3:47] <PReDiToR> Leestons: Possibly. But tricky and impossible are different things.
[3:47] <UnaClocker> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi/
[3:48] <UnaClocker> That'll hide your SD card, if you want to use a uSD card.
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[3:49] <knoppies> UnaClocker, that looks so much better.
[3:50] <cyclick> UnaClocker, nice, too bad it's a kickstarted project ;|
[3:50] <UnaClocker> Yeah.. Wish he had just open sourced the design, I'd have had a couple made, OSHPark would make those PCB's cheap as dirt, like 3 of them for $2 shipped, and then the uSD slot is $3 each from Digikey..
[3:50] <Leestons> I wish my pi booted as quickly as that video :P
[3:51] <UnaClocker> I should try to draw it up in Eagle and make it myself..
[3:51] <UnaClocker> Class 10 SD makes a huge difference in boot time.
[3:51] <Leestons> Mines class 4 I think. Also has apache, mysql etc to start
[3:53] <Leestons> Yup, class 4
[3:53] <cyclick> rpi can take advantage of a class 10? do you have benchmarks?
[3:53] <cyclick> versus class 4
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[3:54] <Leestons> I guess I can't complain really, only cost ??3.51
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[3:55] <discopig> cyclick, there was benchmarks listed on the wiki on elinux
[3:55] <discopig> if i recall properly
[3:55] <discopig> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance
[3:55] <discopig> i'm not sure how accurate it is
[3:56] <UnaClocker> The performance difference is so dramatic, I never bothered benchmarking.
[3:56] <discopig> yeah
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[3:56] <UnaClocker> I have a couple Pi with class 4 cards, my XBMC machines..
[3:56] <discopig> class 4 should be plenty for 90% of uses
[3:56] <discopig> unless you want to stream 1080p, and transfer files at the same time maybe
[3:56] <UnaClocker> I wouldn't want to use a Pi with a class 4.. It's good for embedded use..
[3:57] <cyclick> I got 8gb class 4 for $6.99 .. I hoped that would be enough to get the most out of raspberry-pi (I guess I was wrong)
[3:57] <discopig> er play 1080p
[3:57] <UnaClocker> I got my 32gb class 10 for $25 at Fry's..
[3:59] <UnaClocker> http://i.imgur.com/jBY9xh.jpg
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[4:00] <discopig> 16gb class 10 was about $10
[4:00] <axion> class 10 is not a good choice for a root filesystem
[4:00] <discopig> why
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[4:00] <axion> small files are slower to write on class 10
[4:00] <discopig> ah
[4:00] <discopig> that makes sense
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[4:01] <Leestons> 8gb class 4 - ??3.51. Cheap, it works, I can use my Pi. Good enough for me.
[4:01] <atouk> move rootfs to a thumbdrive and only use the sd to boot. faster
[4:02] <PReDiToR> I have a SanDisk Ultra III 8GB that I used in my camera. That boots nice and fast =)
[4:02] <cyclick> UnaClocker, looks like they have 64gb for $43... I should have looked there
[4:02] <Leestons> I would do that atouk, but then I'd need a hub as I have no free usb ports.
[4:02] <atouk> yeah it gets a bit tight
[4:03] <UnaClocker> Mmm, 64gb.. :) Not sure I'd ever use that much.. I barely crack 8gb on mine..
[4:03] <cyclick> axion, do you know why?
[4:03] <axion> atouk has the right idea. sd for root is not very good itself. personally i only use /boot on my sd and a 32gb 2.5" ssd for rootfs
[4:03] <axion> no clue, i'd assume how the blocks are arranged physically
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[4:05] <Opinie> right
[4:05] <atouk> also if you need the extra usb, you can get a wireless node that plugs into the rj45
[4:05] <Opinie> tried to set up a wordpress server, but now that I try to connect to it all I get is "Error establishing a database connection"
[4:05] <Opinie> does anyone know, what went wrong?
[4:05] <cyclick> usb 3.0 ?
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[4:05] <atouk> did you install mysql?
[4:06] <Opinie> yes
[4:06] <Opinie> also apache
[4:06] <atouk> did you run the wp setup?
[4:06] <Opinie> hrrr
[4:06] <ReggieUK> did you try #wordpress
[4:06] <Opinie> ReggieUK: nope, I did not
[4:06] <ReggieUK> almost as popular as #raspberrypi
[4:06] <Opinie> atouk: how do I run the wp setup?
[4:07] <atouk> been a while, i forget aactually
[4:07] <Opinie> I did actually stab this thing: wp-config.php
[4:08] <Opinie> is that what you mean?
[4:08] <atouk> there ya go
[4:08] <axion> atouk: your stats page is down
[4:08] <cyclick> UnaClocker, if they had 500gb for a reasonable price I would get it to backup my pictures, music and video
[4:08] <atouk> get old and the memory starts to dim
[4:09] <atouk> try again, i was working on something
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[4:10] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I have a 2tb on my lan, plugged into my old SheevaPlug.. :)
[4:11] <axion> atouk: hmm nope, still 8000?
[4:12] <atouk> hold on one. moved from thumbdrive to usb hard drive
[4:12] <atouk> think i forgot to add 8000 to Listen
[4:13] <axion> hehe
[4:14] <atouk> try again
[4:14] <axion> yay
[4:14] <axion> http://rpi.yi.org:8000
[4:15] <atouk> glas it's getting used
[4:15] <atouk> (glad)
[4:15] <axion> that is a pretty big thumb drive you have
[4:16] <atouk> it's pretty much board aware for the GPIO outs, but there are some boards reporting wrong Revision
[4:16] <atouk> moved off it to a usb hard drive i had laying around
[4:16] <Leestons> axion: bookmarked just cause I think it's awesome
[4:17] <atouk> ty ;)
[4:17] <axion> Leestons: its atouk's. i just made the short url, which is permanent as long as his ip is
[4:17] <axion> which so far has been for a while
[4:17] <Opinie> I think I messed up when I was setting mysql for wordpress, how would I correct it if something had gone wrong there...?
[4:17] <Leestons> ohh. I knew that :P
[4:18] <Opinie> or when I was setting up the wordpress database in mysql
[4:18] <Leestons> do you have phpmyadmin installed?
[4:19] <axion> php is so last decade
[4:19] <Leestons> I just found it easy to set up the database using it
[4:19] <atouk> phpmyadmin is a great tool. as long as it's not on a open server where someone can get to it
[4:20] <knoppies> someone posted this link earlier: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi/ It looks like its a very simple design. He also states this in his FAQ: As soon as the Kickstarter ends and I get all the adapters shipped... I'll probably post all the infos to my OSH Github repository.
[4:20] <Leestons> uh-oh....
[4:20] <Leestons> brb, got some security fixes to do :)
[4:20] <knoppies> Leestons, is that a "Houston we have a problem"?
[4:21] <Leestons> It is indeed knoppies
[4:22] <Opinie> Leestons: nope, installing it now
[4:22] <atouk> at the very least, if you have phpmyadmin, use .htaccess to make it a protected directory
[4:22] <Leestons> possible link or guide of how to do that?
[4:22] <Opinie> do I have to do that, if I maintain this as a LAN wordpress server, atouk?
[4:23] <atouk> other people have access?
[4:23] <Opinie> just family members basically
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[4:24] <atouk> probobly not unless you have a curious sibling that might do damage accidently
[4:24] <Opinie> just one, who would have the know-how, and he rarely visits
[4:24] <knoppies> Opinie, if someone breaks through your wifi (or even your firewall, assuming the LAN is connected to the internet at some point) then it they could hi jack your DB (but at that point they could probably hi jack the whole web server).
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[4:25] <PReDiToR> I like to set up a scrip that moves /.../phpmyadmin in and out of the web root when I need it.
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[4:25] <Opinie> knoppies: ah, k
[4:25] <Leestons> http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/htaccess.shtml A-HA!
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[4:25] <atouk> WP seems a bit overkill just to do yoru christmas wish lists
[4:27] <Opinie> :P
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[4:28] <atouk> if you want a nice web management tool, get webmin
[4:28] <Opinie> k
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[4:30] <Leestons> Will set up htaccess tomorrow, thanks atouk
[4:31] <DeliriumTremens> retroarch y u
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[4:31] <atouk> webmin can handle doing that
[4:32] <Leestons> Will check that out too, thanks again.
[4:32] <Leestons> 3.30am here so it can wait :)
[4:34] <Opinie> yeah, I'm calling it a night
[4:34] <Leestons> goodnight Opinie
[4:34] <Opinie> thanks again
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[4:39] <DeliriumTremens> anyone had luck with emulationstation?
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[4:57] <Milos|Netbook> So I killed my second pi, and it does the same thing as the first pi which is that when I plug it in, the power LED is really dim and the CPU and voltage regulators get really hot.
[4:58] <Milos|Netbook> I think I shorted the first one, but I don't know what happened to the second one.
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[4:58] <Milos|Netbook> Any clues as to figuring out what's actually faulty?
[4:58] <oldtopman> Milos|Netbook: What are you powering the pi with?
[4:59] <Milos|Netbook> GPIO at the time, but I've tried USB and it does the same thing (once it died).
[4:59] <Milos|Netbook> The GPIO is meant to always get 5V.
[4:59] <oldtopman> What is powering the GPIO?
[4:59] <PReDiToR> The GPIO doesn't have a fuse, IIRC
[4:59] <oldtopman> Do you have all of your isolating caps setup?
[5:00] <oldtopman> Because the GPIO feeds straight into the pi, there's no regulation, cleaning, fuses, nothing.
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[5:00] <oldtopman> And if you have too many things in the pi's usb ports, it'll overdraw from GPIO and blow up other things.
[5:00] <UnaClocker> Milos|Netbook: My dead Pi does the same thing. I reversed the polarity on power into the 5v on the GPIO pins..
[5:00] <oldtopman> Whereas with USB, you'll blow the fuse
[5:01] <oldtopman> tl;dr - you had better know what you're doing with gpio
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[5:01] <oldtopman> Anyway!
[5:01] <Milos|Netbook> UnaClocker, :/
[5:01] <UnaClocker> Polarity is important. :)
[5:01] <PReDiToR> Quite
[5:01] <oldtopman> Milos|Netbook: What's your setup going into the pi?
[5:01] <atouk> shouldn't even touch teh gpio pins without line buffers
[5:01] <UnaClocker> Stupid wall wart adapter I was using had the white stripe on the negative.. Never seen one like that before.
[5:01] <oldtopman> Straight from a wall wart, or do you have a 7805 setup?
[5:02] <oldtopman> UnaClocker: Gotta check it every time XD
[5:02] * UnaClocker nods.
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[5:03] <oldtopman> Do you have a use for all those dead pis?
[5:03] <PReDiToR> Send one of them to Blendtec.
[5:03] <PReDiToR> We seriously need to have a "Will it blend?" on a RasPi/
[5:04] <gvan> I do not have internet other than hotspot from my android phone... need to find a wifi dongle that works out of the box... in Vancouver Canada...
[5:04] <mrkuchbhi> hi ... i think i am having some power related issues with rpi ... I am using an iphone power adaptor which shows output 5v==1A and and a usb cable to connect to the rpi ...the cable is about 1.5 m long..it boots up fine and works for a while..but after a while it shuts down
[5:04] <PReDiToR> Edimax 7811
[5:04] <PReDiToR> gvan ^
[5:05] <gvan> Ya I heard of that but found no local stores for the edimax
[5:05] <PReDiToR> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edimax-EW-7811UN-Wireless-802-11b-150Mbps/dp/B003MTTJOY
[5:05] * oldtopman wants some broken pis
[5:05] <mrkuchbhi> i also tried with the chord i got with my kindle...but no success
[5:05] <oldtopman> pie being the plural? or pies or pi?
[5:06] <PReDiToR> gvan What's your country?
[5:06] <Leestons> Pis? Pi's?
[5:06] <gvan> Vancouver Canada
[5:06] <mrkuchbhi> what could be the problem?..any suggestions?
[5:07] <PReDiToR> mrkuchbhi: It won't be the cord/lead/cable, they are standard. I'd investigate another PSU.
[5:08] <mrkuchbhi> PReDiToR: oh okay..I might need to find one
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[5:08] <PReDiToR> gvan http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/180-8021629-5292205?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=EW-7811UN&x=0&y=0 As a starting point.
[5:09] <UnaClocker> I'm hoping to buy a new CPU for my dead Pi..
[5:09] <PReDiToR> UnaClocker: Not possible. Just get a new RasPi
[5:09] <UnaClocker> But generally, I've been using it for mock-up with the shield I made..
[5:09] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I have 4 other Pi..
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[5:11] <atouk> if he got lucky, he might have just fried the regulator
[5:11] <oldtopman> Milos|Netbook: You still about?
[5:11] <Leestons> Could always use the dead pi for parts
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[5:12] <UnaClocker> atouk: I already removed the ram, there's a burn mark in the CPU.
[5:12] <atouk> ok, smoke got out....
[5:12] <knoppies> mrkuchbhi, is it a cheap iPhone power adapter?
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[5:13] <mrkuchbhi> knoppies: whatever came default along with the iPhone yes.
[5:13] <UnaClocker> https://twitter.com/UnaClocker/status/257544396176752640/photo/1 You can see the burn mark towards the top of the chip in this picture..
[5:13] <UnaClocker> Yup, such a small puff of smoke..
[5:13] <mrkuchbhi> initially it worked fine for half an hour...but now it keeps shutting down every 2mins
[5:14] <Datalink> UnaClocker, wht did you do?
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[5:14] <UnaClocker> Reverse polarity into the +5v GPIO pins..
[5:14] <Datalink> ....
[5:15] <UnaClocker> Smoke didn't actually come out till I fixed the polarity...
[5:15] <Datalink> wow
[5:15] <Leestons> Just got yourself a follower
[5:15] <UnaClocker> :)
[5:15] <atouk> did you look with a glass to check that it really IS on the memory side and not the CPU?
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[5:15] <UnaClocker> There's a chunk missing from the CPU.. Ram might be OK..
[5:16] <atouk> probobly all it is good for now is soldering practice
[5:16] <UnaClocker> Yup, that's why I removed the ram.. Had this nice hot air rework tool I just got.. ;)
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[5:19] <gvan> Preditor thanks... I don't have a credit card to order online... no local stores sell edimax
[5:20] <PReDiToR> gvan Someone you know should be able to order you one if you give them the cash. A friend, colleague, teacher or someone else you trust. It isn't like it would cost them anything to do it. Ask around.
[5:21] <gvan> Well I may in fact have to do that... but it was worth a try to find a local solution.
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[5:22] <PReDiToR> gvan I ususally find that by the time I've done it the complex way I could have done it the easy way a lot sooner.
[5:23] <gvan> I have been using the Arduino for hobby projects... just bought the rp and I wonder if others found a way to use it for similar... hooking up sensors... turning on motors, etc.
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[5:26] <UnaClocker> gvan: Yeah, I'm working on a project to use 3 Pi to control the heater in my house.
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[5:28] <gvan> UnaClocker... that is exactly the type of thing I need to do... temp/humidity sensor... turn on heater or vent/fan
[5:29] <gvan> Any progress? How is it done? Just USB in/out or other solution?
[5:30] <UnaClocker> The Pi has no ADC's.. You could use those 1 wire temp sensors, that's probably the simplest route.. I used an ATTiny as my ADC's, connected over the UART in the GPIO pins..
[5:31] <UnaClocker> gvan: This page covers stepper motor control: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/07/stepper-motor-control-in-python/
[5:31] <UnaClocker> Standard motor control would be even simpler.
[5:32] <gvan> OK I use the Arduino as an ISP to program the attiny... if that is more functional with the rp
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[5:33] <UnaClocker> It's handy if you need simple ADC's.. The basic ATTiny45/85 has 3..
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[5:38] <heathkid> MCP3424 18-Bit ADC ...my favorite ADC and works *great*!
[5:39] <heathkid> four channels of 18-bit via I2C
[5:39] <UnaClocker> :) Mmmm, 18 bits..
[5:39] <heathkid> I use them with the Teensy 2.0 right now...
[5:39] <heathkid> easy
[5:40] <UnaClocker> Sure beats the 10 the Tiny gets..
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[5:40] <heathkid> yep
[5:40] <UnaClocker> Yeah, just a matter of getting the i2c into the Pi..
[5:40] <heathkid> I haven't tried that yet
[5:40] <heathkid> :)
[5:40] <heathkid> but should be native and straight forward
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[5:40] <heathkid> "should be"
[5:41] <heathkid> may also do SPI... dunno
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[5:41] <UnaClocker> Seemed like the "native" SPI stuff I was finding required kernel drivers..
[5:41] <heathkid> been a while since I've read the datasheet
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[5:42] <heathkid> free samples in DIP available... give it a try and let me know... :P
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[5:43] <heathkid> oh... ooops... not DIP
[5:43] <heathkid> I had custom boards made
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[5:43] <heathkid> anyway... about $25 for four channels of 18-bit in a DIP converter board
[5:43] <gvan> Mcp3424 not familiar with... get into that or work first with the attiny idea? But the rp also has a solution without having to use the at tiny or other?
[5:44] <UnaClocker> I've already got custom boards based on my attiny solution.. It works..
[5:44] <Milos|Netbook> Ok I'm back from before.
[5:44] <Milos|Netbook> About the dead raspberry pi.
[5:44] <Milos|Netbook> UnaClocker, you say yours has a dim red light and CPU gets super hot because you reversed polarity?
[5:45] <Milos|Netbook> Does the USB-side have reverse polarity protection etc?
[5:45] <UnaClocker> Well, it'd be red if I hadn't swapped it for a blue LED.. ;)
[5:45] <Milos|Netbook> Is there any voltage drops on the USB side?
[5:45] <heathkid> Proto Advatage is your friend... http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=2200003
[5:45] <UnaClocker> Not sure about that one.
[5:45] <Milos|Netbook> does anyone know if any reason why one would choose to power the raspberry pi from GPIO rather than USB
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> s/if/of/
[5:46] <PReDiToR> Milos|Netbook: One less leadsticking out of the beautiful board?
[5:46] <Milos|Netbook> Yeah.
[5:46] <UnaClocker> Milos|Netbook: I do it because I made a shield that plugs into the GPIO header, power comes in via a barrel jack on that shield.
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[5:47] <atouk> sheld adds power requirements, so power everythign from one beefier supply
[5:47] <Milos|Netbook> what?
[5:47] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/_Media/2012-09-24_185448_med.jpeg
[5:48] <Milos|Netbook> wat
[5:50] <atouk> why would i want to heat my pi. makes the ice cream melt
[5:50] <knoppies> UnaClocker, where did you get that shield made?
[5:50] <UnaClocker> OSHPark.com
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[5:56] <Milos|Netbook> so does anyone know if USB has revere-polarity protection?
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[5:57] <AC`97> no.
[5:57] <AC`97> Milos|Netbook: rpi input, or output?
[5:57] <Milos|Netbook> power input...?
[5:57] <Milos|Netbook> http://www.elinux.org/images/1/1b/RPiThermalTest-8-20-2012.pdf
[5:58] <Milos|Netbook> "Three regulators are on-board on top and underneath for 5 VDC, 3.3VDC and 1.8VDC. A Schottky power
[5:58] <Milos|Netbook> diode is used to protect against reverse polarity"
[5:58] <AC`97> it'll probably either do nothing, or trip the fuse
[5:58] <AC`97> depends on how the diode is wired
[5:58] <AC`97> i think i'll trip fuse
[5:58] <AC`97> but then again... i'm computer illiterate
[5:58] <AC`97> so ignore me :D
[5:58] <knoppies> Milos|Netbook, A Schottky power diode is used to protect against reverse polarity from: http://www.elinux.org/images/1/1b/RPiThermalTest-8-20-2012.pdf
[5:58] <UnaClocker> Yeah, the fuse should save you.. Reversing in through the GPIO pins bypasses the fuse.
[5:59] <Milos|Netbook> knoppies, I just said that :P
[5:59] <knoppies> Milos|Netbook, nvm you beat me to it.
[5:59] <knoppies> Milos|Netbook, I see that now.
[5:59] <Milos|Netbook> UnaClocker, yeah. I dunno if I should either just use USB from now or be more careful with the GPIO.
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[6:00] <knoppies> Milos|Netbook, how difficult to wire your voltage regulator to a USB plug?
[6:00] <Milos|Netbook> the USB jack is really fat and annoying
[6:00] <Milos|Netbook> pretty easily I reckon but it sticks out and it's really rugged
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[6:00] <Milos|Netbook> like, from the micro USB
[6:00] <AC`97> i made a 90 degree plug
[6:00] <AC`97> :D
[6:00] <Milos|Netbook> can I buy one
[6:01] <Milos|Netbook> so I don't have to make it
[6:01] <Milos|Netbook> lol
[6:01] <AC`97> you can buy the connector to make it yourself
[6:01] <AC`97> in my case, i needed one, found one on the ground, and used it.
[6:01] <AC`97> O.o
[6:02] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/sVRmG
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[6:04] <knoppies> Milos|Netbook, I think its better using the USB for power, they have added some protection for you, so you don't have to.
[6:06] <knoppies> Milos|Netbook, but if you cant hack together a USB plug that is small enough then just use the GPIO but make more full proof precautions. For instance, using your current GPIO wire setup, can the pins short if provoked?
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[6:08] <Milos|Netbook> oldtopman, yeah I'm here
[6:08] <Milos|Netbook> knoppies, yeah
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[6:08] <Milos|Netbook> well I think adequate protection is setting up the power once and leaving it
[6:09] <Milos|Netbook> I need to make a switch for the GPIO power headers
[6:09] <Milos|Netbook> instead of pulling it out every time I want to power it off
[6:09] <Milos|Netbook> because that adds in the possibility of user error when plugging it back in
[6:09] <PReDiToR> A push-to-break switch would probably be easy
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[6:10] <AC`97> push switch to break pi? :D
[6:10] <AC`97> *sizzle*
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[6:10] <PReDiToR> Keep a fire exsinguisher handy in case of "KILL IT WITH FIRE!" emergency.
[6:11] <knoppies> PReDiToR, sounds a bit overkill.
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[6:13] <PReDiToR> http://www.maplin.co.uk/push-to-break-2494
[6:13] <PReDiToR> Something like that, just for reboots.
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[6:14] <knoppies> Milos|Netbook, you know those little plastic plugs that computer fans have? (or even the switch/lights from your case) I would try use something like that. I've also seen someone use what looked like a IDE ribbon cable on the GPIO ports.
[6:14] <knoppies> PReDiToR, or even to turn it back on again after shutting it down.
[6:14] <AC`97> i prefer to short 5v and ground for hard reboots >:D
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[6:15] <AC`97> or 3v to ground... or even 3v to 5v
[6:15] <AC`97> i've only tried the last one once though
[6:15] <PReDiToR> When all you have is a hammer, every segfault looks like a nail.
[6:15] <gvan> Anyone think that the placement of the SD card was a bad idea... the way it sticks out... any solutions found for folding it under the board?
[6:16] <AC`97> gvan: several solutions
[6:16] <knoppies> gvan, I linked something earlier.
[6:16] <AC`97> one is a compact micro-sd adapter
[6:16] <knoppies> gvan, have a look at this: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi/
[6:16] <gvan> Oh where can I find your link?
[6:16] <gvan> Ah ok
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[6:17] <AC`97> http://www.adafruit.com/products/966
[6:17] <knoppies> gvan, Im sure there are some other methods (even pulling the SD card reader off, turning it around, and then reconnecting it up to the board is probably possible). Google should return a few hacks from different parts of the world.
[6:18] <clever> gvan: some of my normal SD cards (when held to a light) are half plastic
[6:18] <clever> gvan: and could posibly be trimmed to fit within the pi's perimiter
[6:18] <AC`97> s/clever/cleaver/
[6:18] <AC`97> >:D
[6:18] <PReDiToR> If you can get 64GB into a microSD, there is a lot of wasted space in a modern SD card.
[6:19] <clever> PReDiToR: ive seen some photos of microSD internals, its basicaly all die and no pcb
[6:19] <clever> normal SD cards usualy have an actual pcb for the chip to mount on
[6:20] * clever gets link
[6:20] <clever> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
[6:20] <PReDiToR> That seems like wasted material when micro can do it without
[6:21] <gvan> Good ideas... looks like it would be easy to make your own micro SD adapter... I will also look inside the SD to see the size
[6:21] <clever> PReDiToR: most of the cards in this blog post, contain 2 flash chips
[6:22] <clever> but the samsung card has 1 much larger flash die
[6:22] <clever> its mentioned that samsung sized the die they sell for all chips, to fit an sd card
[6:22] <AC`97> i wonder if half-sized mmc cards would work
[6:22] <clever> (micro)
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[6:23] <AC`97> or uh... rs-mmc
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[6:24] <PReDiToR> AC`97: I've tried it, but it doesn't work for me.
[6:24] <AC`97> :|
[6:24] <PReDiToR> I was told in here that it should
[6:24] <PReDiToR> So YMMV
[6:24] <AC`97> perhaps you was DOING IT WRONG
[6:24] <AC`97> :D
[6:24] <PReDiToR> I think MMC kernel module and SD are different. But not sure.
[6:24] <AC`97> hmm
[6:25] <PReDiToR> I'm always open to the idea that I might be DOING IT WRONG(tm), that's how I learn =)
[6:26] <AC`97> two wrongs make it right :D
[6:26] <PReDiToR> No, they don't. But three lefts do.
[6:26] <AC`97> lol
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[6:27] <PReDiToR> Unless you're using Apple Maps. Then you need at least a quantum singularity to get from A-B without passing through the Pegasus Stargate.
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[6:47] <PReDiToR> Having had another think about it, AC`97, it doesn't matter about the MMC/SD kernel module, it's hardware in control at the point where the RasPi goes to the SD/MMC for boot files.
[6:47] <AC`97> ...
[6:48] <PReDiToR> RS-MMC as boot device
[6:48] <AC`97> what is a boot device
[6:48] <AC`97> http://www.flickr.com/photos/_xiq/6963532028/
[6:48] <AC`97> ^ om nom nom
[6:48] <PReDiToR> The SD card that the RasPi boots from.
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[6:49] <Benighted> does anyone know a way to manually set resolution to 640x480? wheezy or raspbmc?
[6:50] <PReDiToR> Is this for HDMI?
[6:50] <Benighted> heck no
[6:50] <Benighted> 13# crt
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[6:51] <PReDiToR> would a vga= do the trick? Or are you looking for xorg.conf settings?
[6:52] <Benighted> in config.txt?
[6:53] <PReDiToR> commandline.txt I think would be the place to put vga=xxx (where xxx is the frambuffer resolution)
[6:54] <Benighted> you mean vga=640x480?
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[6:55] <X-warrior> is sleep and usleep working on rpi? It doesn't seems to.
[6:56] <PReDiToR> Benighted: http://www.ehartwell.com/InfoDabble/HowTo:_Set_Linux_video_modes
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[6:56] <AC`97> X-warrior: sleep and usleep where ??
[6:56] <AC`97> at work? :D
[6:56] <X-warrior> AC`97, lol, in cpp...
[6:56] <AC`97> i sleep, u sleep, we all sleep when feeling weak
[6:56] <clever> X-warrior: sleep should work just fine, i see no reason for it to not work
[6:56] * AC`97 drops dead
[6:57] <clever> AC`97: so your the one that stole my sleep!
[6:57] <clever> give it back, its 2am :P
[6:57] <AC`97> psh, come back to the past
[6:57] <AC`97> it's only 21:57
[6:57] <PReDiToR> It's nearly 06:00
[6:57] <AC`97> O.o
[6:58] <AC`97> well, uh.. i guess i'll go read on my sparkly new kindle paperwhitegreenandpink, then sleep.
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[6:58] <AC`97> good night!~
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[7:00] <X-warrior> clever, and usleep?
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[7:00] <AC`97> X-warrior: got newest firmwarezzles?
[7:01] <X-warrior> AC`97, I don't think so
[7:01] <AC`97> X-warrior: grep bog /proc/cpuinfo
[7:02] <clever> X-warrior: what problems are you having with it?
[7:02] <AC`97> X-warrior: er, i meant Bog
[7:02] <AC`97> >:D
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[7:02] <X-warrior> BogoMIPS : 697.95
[7:03] <X-warrior> I'm trying to use a LCd over I2C, and its not working :(
[7:03] <AC`97> and what's your current max speed?
[7:03] <clever> weird, its lowercase on my systems
[7:03] <AC`97> clever: same here, hence my *cough* typo
[7:04] <AC`97> i have bogomips : 4657.10 * 2
[7:04] <clever> i just had a kernel oops, so things are starting to act really weird
[7:04] <X-warrior> i don't know
[7:04] <X-warrior> :D
[7:04] <AC`97> o.o
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[7:05] <clever> top just locked up
[7:05] <clever> and some apps arent quiting properly
[7:05] <AC`97> clever: dmesg show anything interesting?
[7:05] <clever> brb
[7:05] <clever> AC`97: tons
[7:05] <AC`97> like sd card corruption (om nom nom)
[7:05] <clever> [2346673.010318] WARNING: at /usr/src/linux-3.2.1-gentoo-r2/arch/x86/mm/fault.c:270 vmalloc_fault+0x5a/0xc5()
[7:05] <clever> not on the pi
[7:05] <AC`97> oh, lol
[7:05] <clever> i tried to run oprofiler on my netbook
[7:06] <AC`97> what is THAT ?
[7:06] <AC`97> oprah filer ? :D
[7:06] <clever> it tells you which line of c code you spend all your cpu time on
[7:06] <AC`97> oh. o profiler
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[7:06] <clever> brb, need to hard-reset it
[7:07] <clever> sysrq to the rescue!!!
[7:07] <AC`97> R E I S U B
[7:07] <clever> you have the order out, rseiub
[7:07] <AC`97> wot
[7:07] <AC`97> how is that possibro
[7:07] <AC`97> psh, just U and B
[7:08] <clever> hmmm, and i need fn too
[7:09] <clever> AC`97: and i'm bac
[7:09] <AC`97> orly
[7:09] <AC`97> well i'm asleep
[7:09] * AC`97 snores
[7:09] <clever> clever@eeepc ~ $ cat /proc/uptime
[7:09] <clever> 72.83 35.30
[7:09] <clever> X-warrior: so the lcd isnt working, and you just assumed its the sleep functions?
[7:10] <AC`97> $ cat /proc/uptime
[7:10] <AC`97> 13838709.26 9301615.19
[7:10] <AC`97> i wonder what the two numbers are...
[7:10] <clever> total time on, and i think total time idle
[7:10] <X-warrior> clever, I got arduino LiquidCrystal_I2C and just changed what I need to, that is timing functions and Wire functions
[7:10] <AC`97> interesting
[7:11] <clever> ah
[7:11] <X-warrior> and I tested the library with arduino, so I think it is a timing issue
[7:11] <X-warrior> but maybe it is a problem writing to /dev/i2c-0
[7:11] <Gumby> can anyone post the default /etc/group file from rasbian wheezy ?
[7:12] <clever> id get out a scope and start to verify the output
[7:12] <clever> and the timing of the output
[7:12] <AC`97> use a timing gun.
[7:12] * AC`97 snores
[7:13] <clever> AC`97: hmmm, it didnt save that file on nfs!!!
[7:13] <AC`97> er.. wuh?
[7:13] <clever> i saved a file to nfs before rseiub
[7:13] <AC`97> lol
[7:14] <AC`97> perhaps your order was wrong XD
[7:14] <clever> rseiub is the order i learned
[7:14] <AC`97> google.
[7:14] <clever> raising skinny elephants is uterly boring
[7:14] <AC`97> "Showing results for reisub"
[7:15] <AC`97> clever: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1509765 tada!~
[7:15] <clever> AC`97: 64k results for your order
[7:15] <AC`97> clever: and unicorns for yours
[7:15] <clever> hmmm, even the wikipedia page shows your order, and google corrected my spelling to yours
[7:15] <AC`97> >:D
[7:16] <clever> somebody changed it!
[7:16] <AC`97> it's a conspiracy? :D
[7:16] * clever clicks history!
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[7:20] <clever> AC`97: google shows 93k results for my order
[7:20] <clever> so mine does come up more :P
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[7:22] <clever> AC`97: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magic_SysRq_key&diff=250649508&oldid=242015845
[7:22] <clever> tada!
[7:22] <clever> it was changed in 2008 :P
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[8:15] <Gumby> anyone know of a solution to the issue of the RPi having a "popping" noise when an mp3 stops/starts?
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[8:29] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=20689&p=201863
[8:30] <shiftplusone> That's not a solution... that's not a solution at all
[8:30] <des2> Indeed.
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[8:34] <Gumby> I tried this one... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20445 the results were..... interesting
[8:34] <des2> "It's on my the list of things to do, but it's not trivial to fix, and my list is quite long..."
[8:34] <shiftplusone> what kind of interesting?
[8:35] <Gumby> well, the audio sounded something just shy of demonic. perhaps something out of poltergeist
[8:35] <shiftplusone> but the popping was fixed?
[8:36] <Gumby> it may have been. I couldnt really tell what audio was playing at any given time let alone when a song might have ended
[8:36] <shiftplusone> heh, fair enough
[8:37] <Gumby> perhaps it is how my mp3s were encoded
[8:37] <Gumby> I'm trying straight up wav files right now. just converting a few mp3s to wav
[8:39] <Gumby> a bit troubling. I never suspected such an issue. this may put my whole project on hold
[8:39] <shiftplusone> Lets not dismiss the possibility that there are actual demons involved. Might make yourself some money, call the history channel.
[8:39] <Gumby> heh
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[8:40] <des2> "My Raspberry Pi is infected with daemons" - Read it today in The Daily Mail....
[8:40] <shiftplusone> heh
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[8:42] <discopig> lol
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[8:43] <Gumby> daemons, lol
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[8:47] <Jck_true> "Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the demon. We may ask what is relevant but anything beyond that is dangerous. He is a liar. The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, Damien, and powerful. So don't listen to him. Remember that - do not listen. "
[8:47] <Jck_true> ^^ Makes sense i suppose... If you don't listen to the popping sounds you can't really hear it can you...
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[8:48] <des2> Whay ever you do, don't play your mp3 files backwards...
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[8:53] <Gumby> using wavs seems to have made the script work. However you still do hear a pop at the start of the stream and the end
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[8:54] <Gumby> I think I need to edit the audio type or something
[8:54] <shiftplusone> it seems like it's a 'fix' that merges the files on the fly, so you don't get the pop when going from one track to another,.
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[8:55] <Gumby> yes, indeed that is the case
[8:55] <Gumby> now, the question is... how does it work when looping a playlist :)
[8:56] <shiftplusone> ah, k
[8:56] <Gumby> I assume it should be ok
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[9:04] <Gumby> ah, ok. I figured out my original problem. aplay was set to use format SE16_LE
[9:04] <Gumby> I needed format FLOAT_LE
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[9:07] <Gumby> cool, it looks without the pop
[9:07] <Gumby> s/looks/loops
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[9:08] * Gumby has defeated the d*e*a*m*o*n*
[9:08] <Gumby> see, he left dreamon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
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[9:10] <des2> Dream on Deep mon.
[9:12] <Gumby> damn, that should have been d*e*m*on*
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[9:21] <Sieva> installed rasBMC nightly... thoroughly impressed with the capabilities so far. thank you devs
[9:21] * DeliriumTremens cheers
[9:21] <DeliriumTremens> got Emulation Station running on Raspbmc finally
[9:21] <DeliriumTremens> got sound working, keyboard input working (NES and SNES emus currently)
[9:21] <DeliriumTremens> that was a headache
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[9:21] <Gumby> cool
[9:22] <Sieva> nice! hopefully you could package it for noobs plz?
[9:22] <DeliriumTremens> hopefullly, i want to make sure i get the 2600 and MAME emus working first
[9:22] <Sieva> intellivision
[9:23] <DeliriumTremens> honestly, instructions on DIY would be pretty easy to follow, it was just figthing to find what needed to be done
[9:24] <Sieva> fair enough. would be super cool to have it in the addon repo though ;)
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[9:26] <DeliriumTremens> i think sam might add the requirements in, so that using the install script will just work
[9:26] <DeliriumTremens> or i'll send him debs of my install
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[9:27] <Gumby> hrm, now I am getting random pops during playback
[9:27] <Gumby> lol
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[9:57] <sundancer> hi i would like to use raspberrypi as headless SIP client.. i have tried linphonec-nogtk and twinkle (CLI mode) but both have issues (linphonec with sound and twinkle with authentication).. anyone knows any other headless sip client?
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[9:58] <knoppies> sundancer, if you want to turn a normal phone into a voip phone then I can suggest something from linksys.
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[10:00] <sundancer> knoppies: "hi i would like to use raspberrypi as headless SIP client"
[10:01] <Jck_true> Hmm I get a "PANIC. No init found.
[10:02] <Jck_true> maybe because the card isn't formatteed - DOOOOH - I brough the wrong one
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[10:08] <knoppies> sundancer, have you looked at the hack a day project?
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[10:09] <knoppies> sundancer, there is also some stuff on the raspberrypi.org forums. You looked at that?
[10:10] <Sieva> there's a pbx addon too for asterisk...
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[10:15] <sundancer> knoppies: that guy on hackaday has only call and answer but not voice
[10:15] <sundancer> but i wasnt digging the forums
[10:15] <knoppies> sundancer, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4381&p=57749
[10:16] <Sieva> ugh... shot in the dark, anyone have any idea if i can get a displaylink monitor connected to see raspi video? seems the libdlo drivers are still under dev'mnt for desktop linux, so im guessing it's a fullblown no
[10:16] <sundancer> oh i didnt notice sflphone has CLI client.. thankx knoppies
[10:16] <sundancer> will try
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[11:06] <Gadgetoid> If anyone wants to stop by and punch me on the arm until I maintain my wrappers, do so!
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[11:29] <japro> argh, so for some reason name resultion via the laptop that shares the inet connection doesn't work
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[11:30] <japro> and if i set nameservers in resolvconf it overwrites those at intervals or so
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[11:30] <japro> so like every 10 minutes i have to again edit the file
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[11:32] <clever> japro: dhcp client
[11:33] <japro> i don't get why it has stopped working "the regular way" anyway
[11:33] <[SLB]> set resolv.conf read only :3
[11:33] <japro> for like two weeks it worked by just setting the laptop to "share connection" and ifupping on the pi
[11:33] <clever> japro: figure out what is wrong with the value in resolv.conf
[11:34] <japro> and then suddenly it can't resolve adresses anymore
[11:34] <japro> it puts the ip of the laptop that is sharing the connection
[11:34] <clever> and is that laptop running a dns relay?
[11:34] <[SLB]> the only time mine got overwritten was due phone thetering
[11:35] <clever> [SLB]: i've configured my netbook to act as a complete wireless router
[11:35] <clever> so i hooked the dhcp client to not setup resolv.conf at all
[11:35] <[SLB]> nice eheh
[11:35] <clever> when dhcp gets a dns server, it calls my hook, and reconfigures the dns server
[11:35] <clever> resolv.conf then uses
[11:35] <clever> the local cache then uses the servers dhcp said to
[11:36] <clever> i then run my own dhcp server, over wifi (with hostapd) to create a hotspot
[11:36] <clever> and i can re-configure it as needed, i often run it backwards
[11:36] <clever> wan on wifi, lan on ethernet
[11:36] <clever> so wired only clients get router style access to a hotel network
[11:37] * japro doesn't know what he is looking for for the dns relay thing... i'm on a ubuntu(linux)
[11:37] <booyaa> I GOT MY 512MB PI! \o/
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[11:37] <booyaa> farnell exceed my expectation again
[11:37] <booyaa> the delivery estimate was 11/11
[11:37] <clever> booyaa: :D
[11:38] <clever> japro: ps aux|grep named
[11:38] <booyaa> i bet it would've arrived earlier than my rs that i gave up on
[11:38] <[SLB]> mine got shipped yesterday, got invoice today, hopefully within few days it'll arrive
[11:38] <[SLB]> by royal mail
[11:39] <booyaa> yeah the invoice arrived two days ago
[11:39] <japro> clever, hmm, it is there
[11:39] <[SLB]> eheh
[11:39] <booyaa> i'm assuming it's the same form factor as the model b?
[11:39] <clever> japro: id try restarting the sharing service then
[11:40] <booyaa> so it can live in my pibow
[11:40] <[SLB]> yes
[11:40] <clever> booyaa: i believe it also has 2 mounting holes
[11:41] <japro> argh
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[11:45] <booyaa> sweet
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[12:04] <tzarc> apparently the aussie element14 has a whole stack in stock, I ordered three on monday and they turned up tuesday
[12:04] <tzarc> (re: delivery estimates)
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[12:25] <FR^2> https://blogs.oracle.com/hinkmond/entry/quickie_guide_getting_java_embedded <-- interesting
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[12:39] <knoppies> tzarc, mine also where overnight, I ordered from NZ.element14 but the Pi was shipped from AUS
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[12:54] <tzarc> mmm, cool, the 3.6 kernel branch worked without too much mucking around
[12:56] <Milos> what benefits
[12:56] <Milos> s/what/any/
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[12:58] <tzarc> a bunch of things most likely, no real reason for choosing it, apart from it being newer :P
[13:00] <tzarc> was running the old 3.1.9 branch from about august
[13:00] * tzarc shrugs
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[13:25] <gordonDrogon> what ho Pi people!
[13:27] <FR^2> hey gordon
[13:28] <bagpuss_thecat> ayeup lad
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[13:29] <nid0> hm
[13:29] <nid0> sitting waiting in frustration for my pi to take way too long to come online after powering it up
[13:30] <nid0> only to realise i've powered up the wrong one :(
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[13:34] <gordonDrogon> nid0, Doh :)
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[13:49] <bentech> Hi i know its unlikely but can the composite port be used to input video?
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> no
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> :-(
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> high-speed ADC would be completely awesome
[13:53] <chris_99> you could always use USB for that Benighted
[13:53] <chris_99> *bentech
[13:53] <bentech> Input composite video via usb?
[13:54] <chris_99> via a capture device
[13:54] <FR^2> http://pastie.org/private/fs6oimvy9cstrhnm2gha <-- trying to start java, but it "seems" some shared objects can't be found - although they are being found... Any hints on how to track that down?
[13:54] <bentech> :)
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> bentech, there are TV capture type cards for usb which appear to work, so standard compost video ought to be easily do-able...
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[14:15] <clever> FR^2: run 'ldd' on the program
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[14:18] <FR^2> clever: "not a dynamic executable"
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[14:18] <clever> FR^2: try 'file' on it then
[14:19] <FR^2> java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, stripped
[14:19] * clever confused
[14:19] <clever> thats the second time ive seen that
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[14:20] <clever> works as expected on /bin/ls
[14:20] <FR^2> trying
[14:20] <FR^2> indeed.
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[14:21] <linuxstb> bentech: This page has some info on usb analogue capture devices with hardware mpeg2 encoders supported under Linux - http://www.isely.net/pvrusb2/pvrusb2.html
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[14:25] <DomasoFan> hey guys. hope you are all having fun with your raspberry pi's. i currently use my pi now as a midi player which works quite well. now i wanted to stream the sound of the pi's internal sound card to a streaming program like liquidsoap. but that seems not to work all that well. any idea how to create a virtual output device which collects the sound from the internal sound chip and can forward that to the streamer?
[14:28] <chithead> "collect the sound from the internal sound chip" sounds strange
[14:28] <chithead> either you send it to the sound chip or you send it over the network
[14:29] <clever> DomasoFan: jack can do it fairly easily, if your midi player supports jack output
[14:29] <chithead> you don't need any sound hardware to use jack (or pulseaudio) network transparency
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[14:30] <FR^2> clever: trying openjdk ;)
[14:30] <DomasoFan> chithead: actually what i want is to grab the sound from alsa and drop it into an virtual output so the streamer application can pick it up there. i could also directly play it into a wav file but unfortunately the midi player application closes the file after playback of the song and doesn't hold the file open to continue.
[14:31] <DomasoFan> clever: in fact i am using timidity++ which supports jack. and liquidsoap does also.
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[14:32] <clever> just need to install jack, spawn a server with a null audio output, and then route the midi player to the streamer
[14:32] <DomasoFan> clever: i have jack installed but have no experience with it. do you just need to tell the programs to use jack or do you have to set something else up?
[14:32] <clever> no need to get alsa involved at all (enless you want to monitor the output)
[14:32] <clever> yeah, you need to tell all programs to use jack
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[14:33] <clever> and i used a QT gui app to do the routing
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[14:34] <clever> qt is a bit heavy for the pi, and there are probly cli commands to do the same
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[14:35] <DomasoFan> clever: yeah i saw a tool. jackctl or what it's called. looking at the jack website now
[14:36] <DomasoFan> clever: thanks for the tip with jack.
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[14:56] <Habbie> has anybody looked into porting http://www.nordier.com/v7x86/ to the Pi yet? :)
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[14:58] <Matt> Habbie: why not port 4.3BSD then? :)
[14:58] <Opinie> is moving /usr to a usb drive a thoroughly bad idea? I'm worried I'm going run out of space, because of programs I'll install..
[14:58] <Habbie> would also be fun
[14:59] <Datalink> the worst part about going to school is waiting for the taxi for me... blar I hate this town's mass transit...
[15:00] <Opinie> Datalink: so umm.. your solution is to avoid mass transit with taxis?
[15:01] <Matt> Opinie: not a bad idea at all
[15:01] <Opinie> ok
[15:01] <Matt> if you feel sufficiently motivated, you can put everything except boot on usb
[15:02] <Matt> which is how I
[15:02] <Matt> which is how I have raspian setup here
[15:02] <Matt> I've got /boot on a 512MB SD card (was all I had available at the time)
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[15:02] <Matt> and everything else is on a USB attached HDD
[15:03] <Opinie> so how did you do that?
[15:03] <Opinie> did you make multiple partitions on the HDD?
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[15:03] <Matt> all it takes is a quick edit of /etc/fstab, so userland knows what to mount and then a quick edit of cmdline.txt, so the kernel knows where its root filesystem is
[15:04] <Matt> I did, yes
[15:04] <Opinie> so you recognize which is which partition by using UUIDs?
[15:04] <Matt> nah
[15:04] <Matt> but you could if you wanted
[15:05] <Opinie> I think that'd make more sense
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[15:05] <Matt> I was just being quick and dirty, so just refered to /dev/sda1
[15:05] <Opinie> just in case I ever have to add some USB stick to the pi and then forget about this sda1, sda2 system I've set up momentarily
[15:05] <Opinie> k
[15:05] <Matt> but yes, UUIDs should work just fine
[15:06] <Opinie> hmm
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[15:06] <Opinie> I guess I'll first go with the sda system and then move on to the UUIDs, if I can still be bothered to
[15:06] <Opinie> thanks
[15:06] <Matt> np
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[15:08] <Opinie> can any of you people do, for example, disk operations like these without having to look anything up?
[15:08] <Opinie> or, rather, how many of you...
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[15:15] <Vanfanel> hi there
[15:16] <Matt> Opinie: well I can
[15:16] <Opinie> how did you learn?
[15:16] <Vanfanel> frmo the dispmanx example in /opt/vc, I can't see how to set video modes from this "api": is it possible at all? Or it's only possible to add planes and write to them using the current video mode?
[15:16] <bagpuss_thecat> a colleague once warned me not to use UUIDs, as he has experienced them changing
[15:16] <bagpuss_thecat> I knew better of course
[15:16] <Matt> I started using Linux in '93
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[15:17] <Opinie> ah
[15:17] <Matt> almost 20 years experience tends to have that effect :)
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[15:17] <bagpuss_thecat> until one day a UUID changed during an upgrade, and my machine no longer had swap
[15:17] <Matt> bagpuss_thecat: hey, you're in here :)
[15:17] * bagpuss_thecat hides
[15:17] <Matt> *that's* the channel I'm missing
[15:17] <bagpuss_thecat> :-)
[15:18] <Opinie> Matt: now that I realized learning C seems to be important to understanding, how linux works, do you think it'd be possible to just start learning programming with C instead of, for example, python?
[15:20] <bagpuss_thecat> python
[15:20] <bagpuss_thecat> if you want to learn it at all
[15:20] <bagpuss_thecat> You don't need to be a programmer to use Linux
[15:21] <Opinie> I'll probably need programming skills pretty soon in the future
[15:21] <Opinie> better just start learning now, in my opinion
[15:22] <Opinie> not necessarily C or python, maybe something like R
[15:22] <Matt> C's not exactly the language I'd pick as an intro to programming :)
[15:22] <Opinie> but, unless I'm completely mistaken, it's easier to move on to other languages after you've learned one
[15:22] <Opinie> Matt: ok
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> C's good. cool. neat. etc.
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> but I've been programming in it for ~30 years now...
[15:23] <Matt> quite :)
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> so possibly biased :)
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> I started with BASIC.
[15:23] <Matt> gordonDrogon: I think a lot of us did
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> suspect I had a good teacher - did for FORTRAN, 6502 assembly, then he mentioned Algol, but we never had an algol compiler..
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> but I had a chance to program in something called imp - another algol-like language. Then C.
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> (as well as doing some more boring fortran, cobol and pascal)
[15:25] <Benighted> morning all
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[15:25] <Matt> I went through a bunch of BASIC variants
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_IMP_programming_language
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> not much there on it, sadly.
[15:26] <Matt> then a little pascal
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> yea, some HP desktop was the first, then a dial-up tty33 on an acoustic modem, then Apple II, etc.
[15:27] <Benighted> anyone have any tips for reducing screen resolution? I'm missing about an inch of screen on all sides
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I was in a brand new school in Edinburgh at the time, so I suspect they got lots of money thrown at them...
[15:27] <Benighted> tried passing vga=769 to no avail
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> Benighted, tried overscan setting?
[15:28] <Benighted> gordondrogon was thinking about that, but haven't played much with it yet. Suggestions?
[15:28] <Matt> then I think I started on C
[15:28] <Benighted> I tried disabling
[15:28] <Matt> and I tinkered with a bunch of other languages at one point
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Benighted, what's the output device -hdmi or compost?
[15:29] <Benighted> composite
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> Matt, yea, some of my peers were into logo, modula 2, etc.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> Benighted, ok, you probably want overscan on (which is the default)
[15:30] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: got my 512 pi btw :) you weren't kidding about fast
[15:31] <bagpuss_thecat> Opinie: if you must, I'd suggest python :-)
[15:31] <bagpuss_thecat> but get used to Linux first
[15:31] <Matt> python is fun
[15:31] <bagpuss_thecat> get used to the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy System)
[15:31] <bagpuss_thecat> Standard
[15:31] <bagpuss_thecat> too busy laughing at the boss
[15:32] <Opinie> bagpuss_thecat: ok
[15:33] <bagpuss_thecat> I could see the confusion in peoples eyes at work when I tell them that *everything* is a file in Linux
[15:33] <bagpuss_thecat> "yuuuh, eeh, ok..."
[15:35] <Benighted> happy windows 8 day everyone~
[15:35] <Benighted> - /endsarcasm - so the 512 model that much faster eh?
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[15:35] <bagpuss_thecat> yup, still in testing
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[15:35] <bagpuss_thecat> good luck kids
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[15:47] <Benighted> so anyone using a super old display? using a composite 13" tv and about an inch is cropped
[15:47] <Benighted> on all sides
[15:48] <Matt> I think that's what the overscan options are for
[15:48] <Matt> but I've yet to hook my pi up to something via composite
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[15:50] <Benighted> it was a junker tv, but it's peppy running raspbmc/raspbian - just this bleeding edge display issue
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[15:51] <dirty_d> i could watch videos like this all day, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjzhygzafr0&feature=related
[15:51] <dirty_d> freakin amazing
[15:51] <Matt> I keep meaning to hook my pi up to the old TV we have setup in the basement :)
[15:52] <Matt> I'd venture a guess and say that it's older than a whole bunch of the folk who are in here
[15:53] <Matt> it's circa 1984
[15:54] <Benighted> I'm 2 years it's senior
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[15:56] <Matt> ah, that looks about like it
[15:56] <Matt> http://www.departementcamera.tv/files/imagecache/product/213.jpg
[15:56] <clever> Matt: its even older then me!
[15:57] <nid0> its the same age as me!
[15:57] <Matt> and it still works
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[16:01] <FR^2> clever: Not sure if you're interested... The java binary by oracle uses softfloat; raspbian uses hardfloat...
[16:01] <clever> FR^2: ah, built for the wrong arch
[16:01] <FR^2> Indeed :(
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[16:06] <Benighted> I thought there was a soft float version
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[16:12] <FR^2> Benighted: It is, but I'm using raspbian
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[16:18] <FR^2> okay, okay, okay, there's a openjdk package in raspbian ;)
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[16:23] <Benighted> ;)
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[16:31] <dirty_d> this is pretty cool: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/138363-the-cia-de-blurs-license-plates-from-outer-space-now-you-can-too-for-free
[16:31] <dirty_d> i didnt think that was possible
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[16:33] <DeliriumTremens> enhance *click clack click clack*
[16:33] <DeliriumTremens> ENHANCE *click clack click clack*
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[16:37] <Cheery> I'd need bit help from someone who's been doing lots of graphics on pi
[16:37] <Cheery> anyone such here at the moment?
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[16:38] <Cheery> http://bpaste.net/show/X9rij2ZTTiI77PkP6PsV/
[16:38] <Cheery> here I have couple snippets from variety of raspberry pi programs I've seen.
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[16:38] <Habbie> Cheery, best to just ask your question right away
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[16:39] <Cheery> I'd like to make a nice, easy-to-use library for nodejs.
[16:39] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-video
[16:40] <Cheery> but for getting nicest, portable API out, I'm not sure how should I order these things
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[16:46] <Cheery> ReggieUK: did you understand a lot about EGL/dispmanx?
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[16:52] <johnthebear> question, not just pi related, but linux in general: which script starts daemons on startup? I'm trying to configure it so that apache deosn
[16:52] <johnthebear> t start and lighttpd does
[16:54] <tripgod> /etc/init.d/
[16:54] <johnthebear> does the pi just run everything in /etc/init.d then?
[16:54] <Habbie> no
[16:54] <Habbie> man update-rc.d
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[16:55] <tripgod> on startup, /etc/rc.d
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[16:56] <ReggieUK> Cheery, no
[16:56] <Cheery> ReggieUK: too bad.
[16:56] <ReggieUK> why?
[16:57] <Cheery> well I've got couple commands gathered from software to create fullscreen/composite window on raspberry pi
[16:57] <Cheery> that can be rendered to by webgl
[16:57] <johnthebear> cool, thanks guys
[16:57] <Cheery> )ol gles2)
[16:58] <johnthebear> I didn't even know what man page to start with
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[16:59] <ReggieUK> johnthebear https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=debian+init&meta=&aq=f&oq=
[16:59] <Cheery> ReggieUK: although the problem is I don't know how flexible are those commands
[16:59] <Cheery> I wonder how to support window resizing
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[16:59] <ReggieUK> I have no idea Cheery
[17:00] <Cheery> and wonder whether native window handles can be shared between processes, just like those composite window -things. (so I could inc. and run bcm_host just on the server)
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[17:04] <tero> anyone got this error when apt-get update ?
[17:04] <tero> http://pastebin.com/H44UpxSr
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[17:07] <ReggieUK> tero https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Problem+with+MergeList+&meta=&aq=f&oq=
[17:09] <tero> ReggieUK i tied this
[17:09] <tero> and it stills same
[17:09] <yoavz> Hey guys, I've posted it also in the forums, but is there anyone here that have experience with replacing the RPi's SD slot?
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[17:13] <[diecast]> anyone else try out berrryio? pretty nice - http://raspi.tv/2012/berryio-a-browser-based-io-control-system-for-raspberry-pi
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[17:13] <Benighted> dunno, but berryboot is fuckin awesome
[17:14] <Benighted> berryio looks pretty cool too
[17:14] <[diecast]> oh, didnt know that one... ill look for it
[17:14] <Benighted> tero - did you delete /var/lib/apt/lists/partial?
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[17:15] <Leestons> Benighted: "no foul language"
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[17:15] <Benighted> leesons aw sorry
[17:15] <Leestons> No need to apologise to me, I won't be the one punishing you :)
[17:15] <Leestons> I found out the hard way
[17:15] <Benighted> ReggieUK sorry that one slipped
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[17:16] <Benighted> leesons thatnks for heads up, I got excited
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[17:16] <Leestons> Yeah I know what you mean. Just thought I'd point it out to you.
[17:16] <[diecast]> interesting rule
[17:16] <Benighted> honestly understandable although aren't there filters for such things?
[17:16] <[diecast]> never seen that one before ;)
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[17:19] <Benighted> buy to rephrase my previous comment berryboot is great, for anyone who hasn't, try it out
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[17:25] <aaa801> i hate mbr
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[17:29] <Cheery> okay
[17:29] <Cheery> I think I should just try.
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[17:30] <nero> does anyone know of a good highish resolution (doesnt have to be Apple "Retina" (tm), but better than say, 240x300) 3-5" display that would work with a pi? (With a touchscreen would be a nice bonus)
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[17:30] <Milos> I shouldn't be calling it the Pi Bomb, but that's what my rig looks like. http://www.wut.co.nz/images/pibomb.jpg
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[17:32] <Matt> what sorta runtime do you get from that/
[17:32] <Matt> ?
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[17:32] <Cheery> everybody loves bombs.
[17:32] <Milos> 12 hours if I'm using the 3G dongle constantly otherwise more
[17:32] <Milos> haven't "accurately" measured
[17:33] <Matt> that's not bad
[17:33] <Milos> because it's kinda hard to tell when the battery is "flat" and when it's "full"
[17:33] <Milos> I count 11.9V as "dead flat"
[17:33] <nid0> suprised its that low, thats a 7Ah battery at 12v, no?
[17:33] <Milos> and I dunno what's full, haha
[17:33] <Milos> well nid0 I haven't really measured that accurately
[17:33] <Milos> but with the 3G dongle in use
[17:33] <Milos> those things do suck out a decent amount of power
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[17:34] <Milos> I'd like to get a 20cm USB to micro USB cable to get rid of all that length
[17:34] <nid0> have you bridged the input polyfuse to draw more than 750ma ish?
[17:34] <Milos> also I'm keen on getting ultra-low-resistance USB wires too
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[17:34] <Milos> this one gives me .9 ohms one way so 1.8 ohms round-trip
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[17:35] <Milos> nid0, I haven't done anything yet; I've broken 2 pis already because I've screwed up the input power via GPIO so I've moved to USB for the greater good of a bit more protection
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[17:44] <Kane> hey
[17:45] <Benighted> milos not a bad idea
[17:45] <dirty_d> Milos, i dont think thats accurate
[17:45] <dirty_d> it should be a lot lower than 1.8 ohms i think
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[17:45] <dirty_d> using a regular multimeter?
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[17:47] <Milos> dirty_d, yes, it's the USB cable I got from adafruit
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[17:48] <Milos> Benighted, :D
[17:48] <Milos> I got it just to see what they personally "recommend" for raspberry pis
[17:49] <dirty_d> Milos, multimeteres are'nt very accurate when measuring a low resistance
[17:49] <Milos> hmm ok
[17:49] <dirty_d> youd be better odd figuring out what guage the power wires are
[17:49] <Milos> well I know for sure that my $1 ebay cable which shows 2.6 one way is bad :P
[17:49] <dirty_d> and use a resistance/foot chart or soemthing
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[17:49] <Milos> I'll keep that in mind for next time I'm going to bed now - thanks though :)
[17:49] <Milos> 4:50am here
[17:50] <Milos> woo New Zealand
[17:50] <dirty_d> Milos, you could macguyver a "super usb cable"
[17:50] <Milos> :O
[17:50] <Benighted> milos - have you tried with a 6V?
[17:50] <dirty_d> get 2 thicker wires and use those in place of the thin ones inside
[17:50] <Milos> Benighted, giving the pi 6V? yeah, and it made the dongle unstable
[17:50] <dirty_d> i started having wierd problems on my pi playing video
[17:50] <Milos> I ordered an adjustable one off ebay
[17:50] <Milos> so I could send 5.5V or something
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[17:50] <dirty_d> it will just pause playback for like 10 seconds at a time every minute
[17:50] <Milos> by the time it gets munched up the pi should be a nice 5.1-5.2V
[17:51] <Benighted> gtk, wondering if something like drbattery.com could provide something sleeker and longer lasting
[17:51] <Milos> oh?
[17:51] <dirty_d> and i do get soemthing from dmesg
[17:51] <dirty_d> usb devic e 6 reset or soemthing
[17:51] <dirty_d> might be a power issue
[17:51] <Milos> I hate those
[17:51] <Milos> it's definitely a powre issue
[17:51] <Milos> trust me. :P
[17:51] <dirty_d> i have a 1000mW wifi adapter on my usb hub too
[17:51] <dirty_d> i bet thats it
[17:51] <Milos> :O
[17:51] <dirty_d> now that i think of it, its while i was downloading stuff
[17:52] <dirty_d> vtech kicked in
[17:52] <dirty_d> high power mode or something
[17:52] <oldtopman> lawl
[17:53] <Kane> hm...
[17:53] <Kane> oldtopman: I think
[17:56] <Cheery> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6122&p=203072#p203072
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[17:59] <Cheery> the compositor workflow seems retarded, so I'd rather reconstruct that if possible
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[18:00] <landswipe> hey people
[18:00] <Cheery> hi
[18:00] <landswipe> with the basic rpi, setup
[18:00] <landswipe> i did the initial configuration
[18:00] <landswipe> and want to go back to it again
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[18:00] <landswipe> i didn't select the correct keyboard
[18:00] <landswipe> this is using wheezy
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[18:07] <halindrome> landswipe: you can just re-run raspi-config after you log in
[18:08] <halindrome> landswipe: of course, if the keyboard is REALLY wrong it is going to be a challenge to type
[18:08] <landswipe> nah it's just got pound where hash shouuld be etc
[18:08] <landswipe> uk rather than us
[18:08] <landswipe> when you set the locale to en-au they should know that
[18:08] <landswipe> even though we speak 'british english' our keyboards are US
[18:09] <landswipe> because of $ ;)
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[18:12] <biberao> hi
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[18:23] <FernandoCunhaJR> hey all! Once Win8 has a version for ARM processors, anyone knows if it works on RPI?
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[18:25] <McFly_> does anyone have issues with a keyboard and mouse taking up to much power?
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[18:25] <Weaselweb> i doubt there will be a generic win8 version suitable for ARM processors. arm board typically needs very specific customizations and drivers
[18:26] <tehtrb> win8 will never work on the rpi, two reasons
[18:26] <tehtrb> 1. win8 will only be running on newer instruction sets
[18:26] <tehtrb> 2. win8 will require much more resources
[18:27] <Weaselweb> oh really, only armv7?
[18:27] <tehtrb> and, i forgot, 3, you'll never get win8 graphics drivers for the rpi
[18:27] <tehtrb> even tho i havn't read written confirmation, i'm 100% sure, yes, only v7
[18:27] <tehtrb> why support older stuff when it's designed for their new tablets anyway ?
[18:28] <tehtrb> maybe a device like the odroid could have a chance
[18:28] <vlt> Hello. I'm using raspian with a raspberry pi. Two questions: Where can I set the keyboard layout? And how to find out in which repo I can find a specific package?
[18:28] <tehtrb> that thing has the galaxy s3's cpu+gpu, 4x1.4ghz
[18:28] <tehtrb> vlt run sudo raspi-config
[18:28] <tehtrb> the repos should be setup automatically, to search for a package type sudo apt-cache search
[18:29] <tehtrb> if the list is too long, go for apt-cache search | less
[18:29] <tehtrb> don't forget to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
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[18:29] <tehtrb> before you install stuff
[18:30] <tehtrb> to bring it up to date first
[18:30] <tehtrb> blasdfg
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/halloween-pi/ ;-)
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[18:33] <thewanderer1> hi. I've migrated to Raspbian, and indeed, CPU usage when playing music is now down to 10% from 100%! cheers!
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[18:33] <tehtrb> what were you on before ?
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[18:34] <thewanderer1> Debian Wheezy armel
[18:34] <tehtrb> hm
[18:34] <tehtrb> ive never tried a native debian
[18:34] <tehtrb> raspbian and arch
[18:34] <thewanderer1> turns out hardfp really does help
[18:34] <tehtrb> arch runs like a dream, only i wrecked it
[18:34] <vlt> tehtrb: Thank you. I found the kezboard settings but when will they apply? Do I need to logout/login? Reboot?
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[18:34] <tehtrb> they should be setup right away, make sure you save your changes
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[18:35] <tehtrb> since you'll want to adjust memory split and turbo mode, you'll have to reboot anyway afterwards
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> wheezy is more or less "Debian" now..
[18:35] <tehtrb> yup - altho i'm having trouble with wine on wheezy
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is just Wheezy compiled for the Pi's (fp) hardware.
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> wine will not work on a Pi.
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[18:37] <vlt> tehtrb: I saved my changes. The next time I ran raspi-config it remembered my settings. But the layout didn't change. Any idea where to look?
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[18:37] <tehtrb> the layout really should do it, try logging out and logging back in - a reboot certainly won't do any harm
[18:37] <tehtrb> gordonDrogon yes, i know- i was talking about my regular pc
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> tehtrb, ok :)
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[18:38] <tehtrb> lol
[18:38] * tehtrb can't help but to feel a little bit offended
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> doh' managed to send a tweet without putting a link in it. must be friday...
[18:39] <vlt> tehtrb: Aaaah, I tried again from a non-X terminal. This worked instantly.
[18:39] <tehtrb> +1 !
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> ther'es only one program that runs under MS that I'd like to see on my Linux box and that's Dungeon Keeper...
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[18:42] <vlt> tehtrb: The package "xvnc4viewer" I want to install is not listed in apt. By default I have "main contrib non-free rpi" in my sources.list. Where can I find it?
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[18:43] <tehtrb> try tightvnc
[18:43] <tehtrb> do an apt-cache search for vnc
[18:43] <axion> or x11 over ssh
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[18:48] <vlt> tehtrb: I tried "xtightvncviewer" but it doesn???t work. Too slow and I can???t enter text.
[18:48] <tehtrb> what's too slow
[18:49] <tehtrb> type sudo apt-cache search tightvnc
[18:49] <tehtrb> and it'll give you the exact package name
[18:49] <[SLB]> tightvncserver
[18:49] <[SLB]> are you setting up a server or?
[18:50] <tehtrb> axion vnc is actually faster than x forwarding
[18:50] <vlt> [SLB]: No, viewer (hence "xtightvncviewer" ;-) )
[18:50] <[SLB]> a viewer on the pi will be slow yes
[18:50] <[SLB]> X is slow itself so yea eheh
[18:51] <vlt> Is there an fb vnc client?
[18:51] <axion> of course it is. ssh is secure at the expense of cpu. also not another port open
[18:51] <chithead> vlt: there is directvnc
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[18:52] * vlt tries directvnc
[18:52] <chithead> as directfb is accelerated on the pi (if setup correctly), it will probably give better performance than the other variants
[18:53] <vlt> axion: What do you mean "not another port open"?
[18:53] <[SLB]> how to set it up correctly?
[18:53] <[SLB]> or how to know whether it is already
[18:53] <axion> vlt: with X11 forwarding, you dont need another port open besides the ssh you already have
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[18:53] <PReDiToR> Advertising again: York, UK meeting in November. Details in the forum, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=21048
[18:54] <chithead> you need at least directfb-1.6 and instructions can be found in the forums http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=11772
[18:54] <vlt> axion: I???m using vnc -via ssh anyway.
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[18:55] <PReDiToR> I was trying to find NX in the Raspbian repo, but I think I might have to use the NoMachine versions.
[18:55] <Hodapp> ah, NX, that's something I've not heard from in awhile
[18:55] <Hodapp> I used to run it to access my desktop from the Intarwebs
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[18:56] <axion> that is essentially what x11 forwarding does, but without tunneling and having a ocal port open
[18:56] <axion> local
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[18:56] <PReDiToR> It hasn't been updated in a while, although the promised "version 4" is always round the corner.
[18:57] <axion> and without requiring 3rd party software to view your existing X display software
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[18:59] <axion> and if you think SSH is slow, you can change the cipher and/or lower the compression if you want to speed it up quite a bit
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[19:04] <vlt> chithead: directvnc gives me this error: "Couldn't parse the keyboard mapping file (null). Exiting" How to troubleshoot this?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> PReDiToR, York... so far away )-:
[19:04] <Datalink> if on a local network you can actually add your second computer to your authroized hosts for X11
[19:04] <Datalink> authorized*
[19:04] <Datalink> I've done that before, though probably won't for my Pi.
[19:05] <axion> i wouldnt even install x11 on my pi
[19:05] <axion> hehe
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> axion, it's normally already installed.
[19:06] <axion> not here
[19:06] <chithead> vlt: maybe you are trying to run it from X or the directfb install is incomplete
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[19:06] <chithead> better ask in the directfb channel though
[19:07] <axion> x11 sets the pi over its edge
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[19:07] <axion> im happy having a full system serving web pages, music, and files over the network, and having a terminal multiplexer with my development environment using just 40mb of ram
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[19:08] <axion> admitedly it jumps to close to 100 when xbmc is running, but not often
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> just get another Pi...
[19:11] <vlt> chithead: No, I'm trying to run it from tty1 terminal.
[19:12] <axion> no need. linux works best in a terminal. my i7 workstation doesnt even have X :)
[19:13] <axion> i spend most of my time in tmux/vim
[19:13] <bagpuss_thecat> what multiplexer do you use? screen?
[19:13] <axion> tmux
[19:13] <bagpuss_thecat> aah, answered that
[19:14] <axion> i do have a box with X just for web pages though. (i am a web app developer/web designer)
[19:15] <chithead> you can use netsurf in framebuffer mode :p
[19:16] <axion> you can...sure
[19:16] <axion> i prefer just 'surf' w/o framebuffer most of the time
[19:16] <axion> :D
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[19:17] <Datalink> axion, what do you use that justifies an i7 and no X? my i3 is typically HORRIDLY BOGGED DOWN by the apps I need to run... my Pi is great for the stuff I classify as 'not realtime priority' I usually compile on my Pi for example
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[19:18] <axion> Datalink: can you rephrase?
[19:18] <axion> i dont understand the q
[19:19] <Datalink> why do you have an i7 for console only? basically...
[19:20] <PReDiToR> Because it's nice to see the "$" appear before you've even pressed return after the last command
[19:20] <axion> close to the same reason i have a pi that is console only. the only gui app i need is a web browser and thats on its own system
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[19:21] <vlt> Ok, directvbc on directfb doesn't work, tightvnc works for the mouse only but no keyboard. Is there any solution that works?
[19:21] <PReDiToR> Because an i7 running at highest possible power saving CPU state is more than capable of doing things that require lots of CPU on slower systems?
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[19:22] <axion> the i7 is the fastest machine i have, and being console only, i can login to it remotely using my 3G connection and not use much bandwidth at all to continue my everyday work
[19:22] <vlt> How to set the keyboard for X?
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[19:24] <PReDiToR> I used my iPhone to SSH into my mother's machine this afternoon to kill an X session. Her Linux Mint is great, but she can't start another session when someone else has used her guest account. I should colour in the keys for that.
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[19:28] <PReDiToR> Does anyone know if there is a version of BSD that runs on a RasPi yet, please?
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[19:33] <Datalink> PReDiToR, http://www.elinux.org/RPi_Distributions lists currently supported OSes, with the opening of the drivers, I'm sure support will improve, there has been a FreeBSD porting guide written but not a port image, so... some assembly required.
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[19:35] <axion> sorry to bust your bubble but broadcom is notorious for unusable linux drivers. they like to brag with useless code. there is a phoronix article about it
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[19:35] <chithead> netbsd was already ported to the pi very early
[19:36] <Cheery> axion: link
[19:36] <axion> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxNDk
[19:37] <Datalink> axion, the source for the ARM portion of the code is open now... so any limitations of the driver stack are isolated to the VideoCore and the drivers are now portable to BSD and other embedded OSes
[19:37] <Datalink> how portable is up to those brave enough to dive into what is very likely an ugly mess
[19:37] <axion> ut you cannot add or change any features of the videocore. you need to blob still, with all the stuff hardcoded into it
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[19:37] <axion> to = the
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[19:38] <axion> quoted from the above article:
[19:38] <axion> You cannot make any improvements to their GLES implementation, you cannot add any new extensions, you can't fix any bugs, you can't do anything with it. You can't write a Mesa/Gallium driver for it. In other words you just can't."
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[19:39] <chithead> what you can do however is use that code on other operating systems now
[19:39] <axion> this is broadcom history at work
[19:39] <chithead> which was the original question (the one who asked has since left)
[19:40] <Datalink> I believe the question was about using BSD... which has no bearing on the VideoCore portion of the code... aside from, as you pointed out, inability to affect VideoCore...
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[19:41] <Datalink> I can't do anything about the firmware of the HD video on my i3, likewise with most desktop video cards, however the ability to work with the OS level driver's source is what enables portability of OSes onto that hardware, which was the original topic
[19:42] <ReggieUK> but that guy is pushing his own reverse engineering graphics drivers project
[19:42] <ReggieUK> so I don't really see what his point is?
[19:42] <Cheery> axion: broadcom bragged about the videocore performance and you refer to that right?
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[19:43] <axion> i dont recall that
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[19:43] <Cheery> it's quite silly to keep such layer of code closed for this long.
[19:44] <Datalink> Cheery, you've never tried to get a technical datasheet out of Broadcom, have you?
[19:45] <Cheery> nah.
[19:45] <Datalink> the open source driver's actually atypical of them, I've tried to get info on a bluetooth chipset for a project in the past, I ended up dropping the project it was so frustrating
[19:46] <Cheery> Yeah I think it's good that it was done and that they're getting on helping raspberry pi
[19:46] <Cheery> but somehow this seems just silly
[19:47] <Cheery> "you can't see this thing because it is our Intellectual Property"
[19:47] <Cheery> then it turns out it was a wrapper
[19:47] <ReggieUK> it still makes me chuckle
[19:47] <ReggieUK> they're trying to improve a situation
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[19:47] <ReggieUK> and they still get complaints
[19:48] <ReggieUK> from a guy who worked on radeon and now works for via hacking mali drivers.....
[19:48] <ReggieUK> I take it no one can see the conflicted bias there at all?
[19:49] <atouk> main code contains the decoders, so licencing, etc gets complicated. piece at a time is better than nothing atall
[19:49] <ReggieUK> atouk, EXACTLY
[19:49] <Cheery> exactly
[19:49] <ReggieUK> you won't change attitudes over night
[19:49] <axion> i do see the bias, but the past speaks volumes for bcm
[19:49] <axion> i give them credit for trying though
[19:49] <ReggieUK> there has to be some give and take
[19:49] <ReggieUK> we want it all for free
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[19:50] <ReggieUK> whereas they *have* to spend money on this and lots of it
[19:50] <ReggieUK> no one in their right mind would destroy their business by handing everything over unless they had it covered
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[19:51] <ReggieUK> which is why intel, amd, nvidia, sony, microsoft, apple don't
[19:52] <Cheery> they're all bullshit and in same boat really
[19:52] <ReggieUK> mind your language
[19:52] <Cheery> and some of them are undermining computer users's freedoms actively
[19:53] <Matt> Cheery: the R&D costs associated with developing hardware are insane
[19:53] <Cheery> costs associated with working on poor hardware and poor drivers are insane
[19:53] <ReggieUK> so buy better products
[19:54] <ReggieUK> or learn to be effective with new kit
[19:54] <Cheery> that's what I've done. raspi buy has been a bit of rebellion or revolting move.
[19:54] <atouk> remember too, that there are prior contracts with codec sales/licencing. any release of the code affects those, too. plus they can't just say, we'll allocate xx dollars to sale price dedicated to support the codecs on future sales because of the qty of prior sales
[19:54] <ReggieUK> the bottom line here is the broadcom chip is in a commercial product (not the pi) they have a business relationship to protect
[19:55] <Cheery> codecs are silly stuff as well
[19:55] <ReggieUK> we have no idea what is in the gpu yet but this is a start, I'd like to hope that they will try and do more if they can and release more of the blob as they unravel it
[19:55] <Cheery> likely entirely software defined and no hardware parts
[19:55] <Matt> yes they are, however an aweful lot of work goes into developing them
[19:55] <atouk> i'd bet money that code releases are more a decision of lawyers, than engineers at this point
[19:55] <ReggieUK> atouk, for sure
[19:56] <ReggieUK> entirely because of teh apple samsung debacle
[19:56] <Matt> and on a related topic, software patents are stupid
[19:56] <ReggieUK> I notice no-one has picked on the usb IP providers in all of this?
[19:57] <Matt> ReggieUK: I'm surprised noone's been complaining about ARM
[19:57] <Cheery> ReggieUK: the videocore is the thing everybody jumps around.
[19:57] <Matt> they don't exactly make life easy either
[19:57] <ReggieUK> the foundation are busy fixing someone elses code where they could be putting more effort into the broadcom chip
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[19:57] <ReggieUK> some software patents are stupid, some aren't
[19:57] <Cheery> 99.9% of them are stupid
[19:57] <ReggieUK> patenting gestures is my pet hate
[19:57] <Cheery> :)
[19:58] <Matt> nah, the concept of patenting software is stupid
[19:58] <Cheery> that too.
[19:58] <Matt> software is covered by copyright
[19:58] <atouk> what I would like to see is something of a compromise. if 51% of the community buys the codecs, then they release the code.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> right. more important things. how do I draw a xms tree in basic ...
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[19:59] <Cheery> this discussion is getting to the point where I could accentuate how much I'd like openness on hardware.
[19:59] <ReggieUK> atouk, it's not their choice
[19:59] <ReggieUK> codecs are nothing to do with broadcom as such in that respect
[19:59] <axion> sorry for starting quite the discussion :)
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[19:59] <atouk> wishes dont' have to be locical
[19:59] <Cheery> I think governments should enforce hardware specs along hardware.
[20:00] <Cheery> because there's not really open hardware without doing so
[20:00] <Cheery> and we can see sometimes hardware vendors do not do the best thing.
[20:00] <Cheery> (sometimes 99% of the time)
[20:00] <atouk> open hardware stifles investment (time and money)
[20:01] <Cheery> yeah. and there would be no art without copyright
[20:01] <Cheery> etc.
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[20:02] <Cheery> business goes around and finds it ways. it has always done so
[20:02] <atouk> maybe a reasonable time limit (4 years?), and grant every company ONE signature patent for 20 years
[20:02] <ReggieUK> buy a ferrari, you get the whole car, do what you like with it but ask ferrari to tell you exactly how they made it and they'll tell you to go away
[20:03] <Cheery> ReggieUK: that's why I never buy a ferrari
[20:04] <ReggieUK> I think they should actually patent and license properly, employ more people in the patent offices and sift out all of the junk
[20:04] <Cheery> because I tell them to go away if they don't share knowledge with me.
[20:04] <ReggieUK> root and branch reform
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[20:05] <atouk> patents need peer review, not a clerk with an unrelated degree and a rubber stamp
[20:05] <ReggieUK> allow companies to make reasonable but not excessive license claims and economies of scale so the little people can join in too
[20:05] <Cheery> why do you even bother thinking about changing the law?
[20:05] <Cheery> that's been written by people who exploit it
[20:06] <Cheery> ditch the law and punch idiots to the face
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[20:06] <atouk> being an optimist keeps me from drinking
[20:06] <ReggieUK> yeah because as a strategy just sitting around whining about things really helps Cheery :)
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[20:07] <Cheery> ReggieUK: as much as thinking about changing something that you are unable to change
[20:07] <Cheery> but then. all sort of open thinking is good
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[20:08] <atouk> then, don't vote, don't express an opinion, and don't complain. that's the cheery way
[20:08] <Cheery> if you get to wander freely around any topic, there will be interesting things to be found.
[20:08] <Cheery> atouk: I vote, I just know that it doesn't matter.
[20:08] <Cheery> and when did you last see me express an opinion? :P
[20:09] <Cheery> or not complain?
[20:09] <Cheery> um.. or complain
[20:09] * ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox
[20:09] <Cheery> instead of having this useless discussion, lets look onto node-video shall we?
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[20:10] <Cheery> I'm going to get me some drinks.
[20:10] <atouk> if the nay sayers of the world put half as much energy into fixing things and telling everyone they can't be fixed, it would be
[20:10] <ReggieUK> atouk, indeed
[20:11] <Cheery> gah. you started it all, I just joined the run. ;)
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[20:12] <ReggieUK> people could continue to politely ask and rationally discuss issues whilst trying to positively affect change instead of raging with insults and putdowns (as in the article)
[20:12] <Cheery> so I have to conduct a test. to see whether workflow can be reversed in one thing.
[20:12] <ReggieUK> I know which line I'm more responsive to
[20:13] <Cheery> yeah. I've noticed raging doesn't get far. still it's something you sometimes have to do.
[20:13] <Benighted> anyone here have a sed one liner to get rid of (copy in a filename?)
[20:14] <Benighted> (copy) actually, I'm trying sed 's/(copy)//g' but it's not liking it
[20:15] <Matt> you need to escape your parentheses
[20:15] <Matt> I think
[20:15] <Matt> or not
[20:16] <Matt> $ echo 'foo (copy).bar' | sed 's/(copy)//g'
[20:16] <Matt> foo .bar
[20:18] <atouk> should that be foo(copy) ?
[20:18] <Benighted> ah
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[20:20] <KiLuMnaTi> anyone know a good canadian reseller that has them in stock mode b 512mb
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[20:21] <Benighted> kilumnati no, element14 is taking preorder signups, but none in stock, can't order online from them either, need to wait for the email from them
[20:21] <Matt> one of the lists I'm on suggested Creatron Computer on College st in toronto, but they prolly only have 256MB models, assuming they have any left
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[20:21] <Matt> also, I suspect that's the wrong side of the country for you :)
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[20:23] <Benighted> Matt, actually I was already doing that in the script
[20:24] <Benighted> what made the difference was instead of find . -name '* *' I specified *.zip and worked
[20:24] <KiLuMnaTi> im in vancouver
[20:24] <booyaa> i don't suppose taking my existing raspbian sd card, sticking into a 512mb, doing apt-get dist-upgrade will make the 512mb appear?
[20:24] <Benighted> go figure
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[20:24] <Benighted> booyaa - use rpi-update
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[20:25] <plugwash> booyaa, not sure if the new firmware is in the foundation's apt repo yet
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[20:26] <kkombarji> So I have a wireless keyboard. It comes with its own dongle which is now plugged into a powered hub. A lsusb command shows me that the Pi sees the keyboard. However, the keyboard doesn't work. Any ideas?
[20:27] <Leestons> Probably unlikely but does
[20:27] <Leestons> ugh
[20:27] <Leestons> do the batteries need chargng?
[20:27] <kkombarji> Nope. The keyboard works fine in another computer
[20:27] <Matt> that was my next question :)
[20:28] <booyaa> cheers
[20:29] <kkombarji> Is there a way to tell my Pi to use that device as a keyboard?
[20:30] <Leestons> Can't help you I'm afraid.
[20:31] <atouk> silly question. are you trying to use the keyboard in the same terminal session you issued the lsusb command from?
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[20:33] <Matt> kkombarji: it should just work
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[20:34] <kkombarji> Well it doesn't lol
[20:34] <kkombarji> atouk, the keyboard doesn't work anywhere.
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[20:35] <atouk> what brand/model?
[20:36] <atouk> (wireless?)
[20:37] <kkombarji> it's an hp wireless
[20:37] <kkombarji> it's on the list of approved keybaords
[20:37] <kkombarji> It's an HP LV290AA#ABA Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> does it work on another PC?
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[20:38] <kkombarji> Ya, it works fine
[20:38] <atouk> ok so it see the dongle, not the keybd. batteries/power switch/handshaking (between dongle/kbd)
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[20:39] <kkombarji> Ok so it's one dongle for a keyboard and mouse. The mouse works. And the lsusb outputs a wireless keyboard entry too
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[20:40] <kkombarji> I have no idea what's wrong to be honest
[20:40] <kkombarji> I thought it was a power issue, but the dongle is plugged into a powered hub so it's not that
[20:40] <atouk> hammer time?
[20:41] <Matt> kkombarji: that's just plain odd
[20:42] <kkombarji> Matt: tell me about it haha
[20:42] <kkombarji> Is there a way to manually map this keyboard? Or point the Pi to look at it or something
[20:43] <atouk> did you run configure keyboard in raspi-config
[20:43] <kkombarji> Ya, but it's not there
[20:43] <Matt> atouk: that shouldn't affect whether it works or not
[20:43] <Matt> just set the keymap
[20:44] <Matt> the kernel should pick up the HID device and start treating it as a keyboard
[20:44] <atouk> (i still say hit it with a hammer)
[20:45] <Cheery> my compositing example still works
[20:45] <Cheery> so lets see whether it can take the paain.
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[20:47] <Leestons> hmm I really should get myself a hub
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[20:48] <Datalink> kkombarji, adding the device to the dongle might require HCI or it might require attaching the devices using proprietary stuff
[20:49] <kkombarji> Datalink, like what?
[20:49] <Datalink> kkombarji, my Logitech requires windows software, I only have the one device so I haven't looked into needs on that
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[20:51] <Datalink> I don't know if there's a linux equivelent... hcitool seems to have hooks for that stuff but that's mainly for bluetooth
[20:51] <kkombarji> Ya hcitool didn't help
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[20:52] <Datalink> kkombarji, what's the brand of the devices, I could do some searching
[20:52] <Cheery> I missed one thing
[20:52] <kkombarji> HP
[20:52] <Cheery> both commands seem to depend on config
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[20:52] <kkombarji> It's an HP LV290AA#ABA Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
[20:52] <home> hey guys
[20:53] <home> its me
[20:53] <DeliriumTremens> I would like to be given two 8bitty controllers for free please. I appreciate it.
[20:53] <home> So i got an Arduino uno and a Raspberry pi
[20:53] <atouk> my logitech wirelss mouse/kbd was just plug in and everything worked
[20:53] <home> think I can make a quadcopter using those as the control system?
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[20:53] <Cheery> whereas dispmanx elements do not care until created.
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[20:54] <DeliriumTremens> what is the maximum power draw via USB?
[20:55] <rikkib> 150mA total
[20:55] <rikkib> rev1
[20:56] <DeliriumTremens> ive got the 512 boarde
[20:56] <Datalink> kkombarji, do they have connect buttons? using them is an option with HP devices, if they have the buttons
[20:56] <rikkib> You mean the usb ports on the board
[20:56] <DeliriumTremens> if that makes any difference..
[20:56] <DeliriumTremens> yeah
[20:56] <kkombarji> I tried the button. It didn't do anything
[20:56] <Datalink> 512's the rev 2, which has a higher draw, but I don't remember it off the top of my head
[20:56] <Datalink> kkombarji, on both the device and the dongle?
[20:56] <DeliriumTremens> right on
[20:56] <rikkib> Not up with the play on rev2. It is different as no more poly fuses on usb
[20:56] <kkombarji> No it's just on the keyboard
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[20:56] <DeliriumTremens> trying to determine if i can plop a BT receiver in there
[20:57] <DeliriumTremens> i've already got a wifi dongle in one of the ports
[20:57] <Datalink> DeliriumTremens, from my experience, plugging in cold, yes...
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[20:57] <DeliriumTremens> i'd be stoked if i could get away with no powered hub
[20:58] <Datalink> there is an initial spike as the device first gets power, the Pi's power can't handle that for wireless recievers in most cases, exception I've found has been my mouse's dongle
[20:58] <Datalink> DeliriumTremens, what model Wifi? that's going to be the hungry device on the USB
[20:58] <DeliriumTremens> i've got the edimax dongle
[20:58] <DeliriumTremens> lots of people are using that on-board
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[20:58] <Leestons> My dad unplugged the router -.-
[20:58] <DeliriumTremens> http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=347&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44
[20:59] <home> Leestons: nice
[20:59] <nid0> DeliriumTremens: those dongles are fine
[20:59] <Leestons> I'm always hearing about quadcopters, surely it can't be that easy to make one?
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[20:59] <Datalink> DeliriumTremens, those are low draw dongles, like I said though, shutdown the pi, it will reset when you plug those in (I unplug and replug mine to reboot it)
[20:59] <nid0> most wifi dongles that arent from the stone age will work directly in the pi, and all rtl8188cu-based ones certainly do (such as that edimax)
[20:59] <DeliriumTremens> right on
[21:00] <DeliriumTremens> i'm more asking if i can combine that with a BT dongle; i'll follow Datalink's words and grab one and try it out
[21:01] <DeliriumTremens> if i can get the 8-bitty controller to work, then i'll have a dual purpose XBMC remote and RetroArch controller
[21:01] <Datalink> DeliriumTremens, I use an ioGear bluetooth dongle, but any with the same form factor as the Edimax wifi you have should be fine for power, they draw ~50ma or less, not very hungry devices
[21:01] <DeliriumTremens> Datalink: awesome, thanks for the tip
[21:01] <Datalink> I have a bluetooth keyboard, the only problem I seem to have is the keyboard itself... it likes to soft-sleep
[21:01] <Datalink> np, welcome to the wonderful world of Pi without wires :P
[21:02] <DeliriumTremens> that's what i'm saying
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[21:02] <DeliriumTremens> i want this to all but disappear behind my TV
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[21:03] <DeliriumTremens> which it already does...apart from the keyboard sticking out of it right now while i test retroarch
[21:04] <Datalink> DeliriumTremens, I've actually been considering a wireless keyboard, instead of my bluetooth, since the bluetooth keyboard itself has been giving me trouble...
[21:04] <Datalink> that said, when the keyboard works it's great, it's one of those handheld ones for presentations, thing's great
[21:04] <Datalink> when it works x.x
[21:04] <DeliriumTremens> haha
[21:04] <DeliriumTremens> well, i dont want some big bulky PS3/XBOX style controller
[21:05] <Cheery> if someone explained somewhere what eglCreateGlobalImage does.. I'd be lot happier
[21:05] <DeliriumTremens> the 8bitty is small, and has the right amount of buttons for what i'll emulate
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[21:06] <Datalink> DeliriumTremens, the key is that it works for you, anything after that's just people with opinions, suggestions nad observations
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[21:06] <Datalink> and*
[21:08] <DeliriumTremens> true story
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[21:09] <Cheery> hmm
[21:09] <Cheery> Should I conclude here that I can't create globalimage handle on server and then put client attach on it?
[21:09] <cyclick> was boot/arm384_start.elf deleted from https://github.com/raspberrypi/ ?
[21:10] <aaa801> Ok what the hell is wrong with my mbr code D:, it reads the first partition fine but on the 2nd and 3rd the dam cylinder and sector count are wrong
[21:10] <Datalink> cyclick, they switched to a config based setup
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[21:11] <Datalink> cyclick, so instead of copying /boot/arm*_start.elf to /boot/start.elf you add gpu_mem=192 on a line in /boot/config.txt
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[21:11] <Datalink> this was done because of the two models of Pis now present
[21:12] <cyclick> thanks Datalink
[21:12] <Datalink> cyclick, no prob, lemme verify the variable though
[21:13] <Datalink> gpu_mem=64
[21:14] <Datalink> so yeah, gpu_mem= followed by how much you want to dedicate to graphics.
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[21:14] <rikkib> gpu_mem=16 to 64
[21:14] <Datalink> rikkib, I thought it could go up higher?
[21:15] <rikkib> To set other memory there are other config options
[21:15] <rikkib> see the wiki
[21:15] <rikkib> /Config.txt
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[21:16] <Datalink> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[21:16] <home> so guys
[21:16] <home> is the open source gfx driver any good
[21:17] <home> can get x acceleration now?
[21:17] <home> or web browser accel?
[21:17] <rikkib> There is also a commented config.txt around somewhere
[21:17] <cyclick> thanks Datalink & rikkib
[21:17] <Datalink> home, to be honest, I haven't done more than compile it yet, haven't done a test
[21:18] <kwerk> bbl
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[21:20] <rikkib> https://github.com/EvilPaul/RPi-config.git
[21:20] <aaa801> http://jgriffiths.org/images/stories/Image/chsdecode.png
[21:20] <aaa801> WHATS WRONG WITH THIS http://pastebin.com/ndbEhesC
[21:21] <Jimu> Just got word my RPi is shipping today, need to get SD card,but have never bought one. Are there compatibility problems with some? Recommendations?
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[21:21] <aaa801> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
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[21:28] <rikkib> (chsSb2 >> 2)
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[21:33] <aaa801> rikkib: doesnt make any difference
[21:34] <rikkib> I am having trouble figuring your code atm. I am not expert.
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[21:35] <aaa801> partitionentry#data refers to the 16 bytes of partition data for each partition
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[21:45] <rikkib> (chsSb2 & 0x3f) >> 2
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[21:46] <rikkib> Not sure if that will make any difference
[21:48] <rikkib> Are you shifting sectors the right way?
[21:49] <rikkib> (chsSb2 & 0x3f) << 2
[21:50] <Benighted> hey aaa801 you should take a peek at rpitc.blogspot.ca for some sd card tuning tips, maybe could integrate that into your imaging utility?
[21:50] <aaa801> benighted: still screwing aobut with chs
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[21:51] <aaa801> rikkib: ye its the right way
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[21:52] <rikkib> Perhaps I am missing something. You are trying to preform CHS translation?
[21:53] <rikkib> You have 3 8 bit values. That just need the bits moved around.
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[21:54] <aaa801> ye
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[22:01] <djazz> yay, streaming audio over wifi using pulseaudio to the raspberry, from my laptop
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[22:03] <PhonicUK> i have an epic project idea
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[22:04] <PhonicUK> Take a retrode SNES Cartridge -> USB adapter
[22:04] <PhonicUK> and a USB -> 2x SNES controller adapter
[22:04] <PhonicUK> and a pi
[22:04] <PhonicUK> and stuff the whole lot in a hollowed out SNES case
[22:04] <DeliriumTremens> it'd look neat
[22:05] <DeliriumTremens> i'd want wireless controllers tho
[22:05] <PhonicUK> the trick'd be getting the Pi to boot fast enough that you don't notice
[22:05] <PhonicUK> I could tack in bluetooth or something
[22:06] <DeliriumTremens> i hope to use the 8bitty controllers from thinkgeek for mine
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[22:06] <PhonicUK> hmm, the retrode already has 2x SNES gamepad adapters on it
[22:07] <PhonicUK> i could just rewire them...
[22:08] <PhonicUK> what'd be even funner is putting an Everdrive in the Retrode...
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[22:23] <prinler> Weird
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[22:24] <prinler> I am attempting to make a solar monitoring device. I ordered a a/d converter and some sensors. Low voltage current sensors. I cant find any voltage ones tho and I need 3
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[22:26] <meatmanek> anybody played with the MCP3008 ADC using the rpi's hardware SPI pins?
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[22:37] <Smashcat> Hi, anyone know where I can get an SDCard image for the 512MB Raspberry Pi? The image I got from the RPi site can only use 256MB. The post at http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180#comments says to download arm384_start.elf but that doesn't exist on Github?!
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[22:39] <tld> Smashcat: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/blob/a6dff06b034400800112d87f61bd795fe5a27a2d/arm384_start.elf
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[22:40] <tld> right-click "Raw", "save as"
[22:40] <Smashcat> tld: Thanks - is that the official build then? It's not hosted on RPi's Github
[22:40] <linuxstb> Smashcat: Things have moved on from that. You use start.elf (and fixup.dat) and put "gpu_mem=128" (for example) in your config.txt
[22:40] <saturation> if I have eth0 connected and I have also 3g connection and I put ifconfig eth0 down it also drops the 3g connection?
[22:40] <tld> Smashcat: listen to linuxstb, not me.
[22:41] <tld> saturation: it shouldn't.
[22:41] <saturation> also it doesn't recognize always the 3g modem
[22:41] <saturation> tld: yeah, but it does..
[22:41] <Smashcat> linuxstb: Ok, so I don't need to download a whole new image, just those 2 files?
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[22:41] <tld> saturation: how is it configured?
[22:41] <saturation> I is headless also so a bit hard to debug.. I have to put some monitor on it and some random keyboard
[22:41] <saturation> I am using pppd
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[22:42] <saturation> tld: like this
[22:42] <saturation> https://github.com/saturation/pppd-configuration-files-for-mobile-broadband
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[22:43] <linuxstb> Smashcat: I think you need to update all the files from the "firmware" repository on github - so bootcode.bin, start.elf, fixup.dat (if I remember correctly)
[22:43] <linuxstb> (start_cd.elf and fixup_cd.elf are used if gpu_mem=16)
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[22:44] <Smashcat> linuxstb: Thanks, I wondered what the _cd files were
[22:44] <tld> I'm not too familiar with linux' pppd, but it shouldn't bring down one interface, because you're bringing down another. The config in the page you linked gives a 404, and the guide linked in there doesn't seem to show anything that binds it to ethernet.
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[22:44] <saturation> hmh
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[22:45] <saturation> that link should work..
[22:45] <saturation> https://github.com/saturation/pppd-configuration-files-for-mobile-broadband
[22:45] <saturation> yeah, it shouldn't
[22:46] <tld> the link in it I mean: https://github.com/saturation/pppd-configure-files-for-mobile-broadband
[22:46] <tld> err, hmm
[22:46] <Smashcat> linuxstb: Is the image on the RPi site now updated for teh 512mb boards?
[22:46] <Smashcat> *the
[22:47] <linuxstb> Smashcat: Doesn't look like it, as they are about 5 weeks old.
[22:47] <saturation> tld: it works for me? :)
[22:48] <tld> huh, how about that.
[22:48] <tld> hmm.
[22:48] <Smashcat> linuxstb: Ok cool - I have to create 20 SDCards for a bunch of RPis here. I'll get it working on one, then use that as the image
[22:48] <tld> geo-distributed mirrors gone bust or something? i have no idea.
[22:48] <prinler> What sensor would I need to monitor external voltage on my PI?
[22:48] <saturation> tld: https://github.com/saturation
[22:48] <Smashcat> prinler: Do you mean current, or a voltage level?
[22:49] <prinler> I want to see amps & Volts
[22:49] <tld> prinler: http://hackaday.com/2012/07/28/reading-analog-sensors-with-the-raspberry-pi/
[22:49] <tld> prinler: good place to start?
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[22:49] <prinler> Thats what im following but I dont see where he monitors voltage
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[22:49] <prinler> Only
[22:50] <prinler> Current and temps
[22:50] <Smashcat> prinler: For current you need a hall effect sensor I think. There are specialised sensors for that. For voltage, it's just an ADC
[22:50] <tld> ADC: https://www.adafruit.com/products/856
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[22:50] <meatmanek> Smashcat: 0.1?? resistor in series is much easier generally
[22:50] <prinler> Ok I purchased a a/d
[22:51] <tld> you can measure current with an ADC as well, but it's more complicated??? You'd have to set up a voltage drop over a resistor (1Oh, 0.1Ohm, something like that), then typically use an amp to shift offsett between the sides of the resistors to something you can read using the ADC.
[22:51] <prinler> Not here yet, but I just connect the +voltage to the adc?
[22:51] <tld> basically measure the voltage-drop, which depends on the current.
[22:51] <Smashcat> meatmanekL: Depends how accurate you need the reading to be. There are some nice chips that convert current to digial readings.
[22:52] <tld> prinler: If you connect a potentially high input voltage, to any random ADC, you could break it.
[22:52] <meatmanek> prinler: that ADC doesn't like reading voltages very close to or above its own power supply voltage
[22:52] <tld> prinler: you can use a resistor-divider to scale down the voltage to allow safe input.
[22:52] <meatmanek> ^
[22:52] <prinler> http://www.briandorey.com/post/Raspberry-Pi-Solar-Data-Logger.aspx
[22:52] <[diecast]> ooooo
[22:52] <[diecast]> i likes that
[22:53] <Smashcat> tld: You have to be careful with resistor dividers too, they can only drop the voltage within their working range. Too much and the part can break down due to the heat
[22:53] <prinler> This is what I was following.
[22:53] <tld> Smashcat: true.
[22:53] <tld> prinler: well, he uses this part: http://issltd.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http://issltd.co.uk/&WD=snail&PN=Elkor_i-Snail-VC_Current_Transducer_with_0-5VDC_Output.html#a868#a868
[22:54] <tld> prinler: if you'll be using the same, you can feed the output-voltage from that to an ADC, but make sure the ADC can handle 5V *and is powered by 5V*, or use a resistor divider.
[22:54] <meatmanek> two 1/4W 10k resistors are going to be fine up to 50V across each resistor.
[22:54] <tld> prinler: Also, if the ADC is powered by 5V, you'll have the same problem when the ADC is connected to the raspberry.
[22:54] <meatmanek> the ADC would be unhappy way before the resistors
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[22:55] <prinler> Ok this is a lot to take in.
[22:55] <prinler> One sec
[22:55] <tld> "Know your input, work the numbers on all parts the input can get to." <-- good to keep in mind.
[22:56] <prinler> Acs712
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[22:56] <tld> prinler: that works in a completely different way.
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[22:57] <tld> prinler: what voltage and current would you like to measure? that powering the raspberry, a solar-installation like the guide, or something else entirely?
[22:57] <prinler> Low voltage current sensors using ACS712 30A Current Sensor Modules (sourced from ebay)
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[22:58] <prinler> Solar installation I wanna see volts in and out to the batteries and at what amps
[22:58] <prinler> I wanna know the voltages of each battery to
[22:58] <[diecast]> use some relays?
[22:58] <tld> prinler: What's your max current?
[22:59] <tld> prinler: absolute max current you'll ever expect to see? (and at what voltage?)
[22:59] <prinler> 20a solar charger will never touch 12a
[22:59] <tld> 12V nominal?
[22:59] <prinler> Ya
[23:00] <prinler> 12v system
[23:00] <prinler> No wait its 24v
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[23:01] <tld> Okay, so something like 200-250W? That's more than enough to start a fire, way more. Are you *sure* you'd like to put that through a part you got off of eBay?
[23:01] <prinler> Ok 12v it's a sun saver-20
[23:02] <tld> Still something like 100-150W.
[23:02] <prinler> I don't see why not...
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[23:04] <prinler> I think the panels are 50w and there are 3 so 150w
[23:04] <tld> Are you willing to do a bit of research and soldering?
[23:04] <prinler> For the right solution yes
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[23:06] <tld> I'm looking to do something similar, even though I'm not as far as you are yet.
[23:06] <tld> I looked at the acs712-parts, but ended up deciding not to use them.
[23:06] <tld> I might be just heading towards overkill, but I'd rather use something like this for the voltage-sensing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-Power-0-1-Ohm-5-Aluminum-Wirewound-Shell-Resistor-/160908054420?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item2576de0f94
[23:08] <tld> I'm just not comfortable putting 10A+ through an ACS712-board had off of eBay.
[23:08] <prinler> Do you think it will ignite? It's rated at 30A
[23:08] <tld> better part: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200718419031?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[23:08] <tld> No, I don't think so.
[23:09] <tld> But understand that the 30A rating likely comes from the voltage-scaling around the acs-part.
[23:09] <tld> It does *not* mean that the board itself has been properly laid out to support 30A through it.
[23:09] <tld> thickness and width of the traces, etc.
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[23:09] <tld> Not to mention quality, etc.
[23:09] <prinler> So worst case is I wasted my money and need to upgrade
[23:09] <tld> Worst-case, it'll catch fire when you're sleeping.
[23:10] <OmNomDePlume> Hey guys, is there a list of cool things I can do with a Pi?
[23:10] <prinler> Google it om
[23:10] <prinler> Tons of sites
[23:10] <OmNomDePlume> I did, but I'd like opinions from you experts.
[23:10] <prinler> Well it will be outside
[23:10] <[SLB]> what are these resistors for?
[23:10] <tld> prinler: I'm not trying to be an ass and dump on the solution you found, please don't get me wrong.
[23:10] <[diecast]> OmNomDePlume: fritzing.org
[23:10] <prinler> Well I purchased them already x4
[23:11] <tld> prinler: I'm merely trying to suggest a safer alternative??? It would be pretty easy to measure voltage at both sides of such a resistor, and scale for input.
[23:11] <prinler> I will take head and protect myself from fire tho
[23:11] <prinler> Well I'm no engineer. So when you say this I have no clue how it will work
[23:12] <prinler> I'm following this guys guide because he says he did it that way
[23:12] <tld> prinler: You can get 10 for less than $1 each btw: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5W-0-1-ohm-5-Ceramic-Cement-Resistors-5-Watt-x-10pcs-/160907489732?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item2576d571c4
[23:13] <tld> let me see if I can find a quick ref?
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[23:14] <prinler> I understand that a resistor resistss flow of amps... Not voltage
[23:15] <meatmanek> prinler: a resistor sets up a linear relationship between current and voltage
[23:15] <meatmanek> if there is 1 amp of current flowing through a 10-ohm resistor, then there are 10 volts across it
[23:16] <meatmanek> if you put 10 volts across a 10-ohm resistor, 1 amp will flow through it
[23:16] <prinler> Oh
[23:16] <prinler> O:)
[23:16] <meatmanek> the relationship works both ways
[23:16] <tld> So basically, if you have a 1 Ohm resistor, and measure 1 Volt difference, you can infer that you have 1 amp flowing.
[23:17] <tld> If you see a 0.5V drop, you have halv an amp.
[23:17] <meatmanek> or if you want to measure larger currents, you might use a smaller resistor
[23:17] <tld> reason to use 0.1 Ohm is less drop.
[23:17] <tld> which means less lost energy
[23:17] <meatmanek> use an 0.01?? resistor, then if you have 0.01V you've got 1 amp
[23:17] <tld> (lost for the batteries that is, it's not lost, it exits as heat)
[23:18] <tld> you can calculate the amount of heat as well. It's basically the voltage drop times the current.
[23:18] <tld> so you'd need a resistor rated for that.
[23:18] <bircoe> it's called Ohms law!
[23:18] <bircoe> http://www.gcsegcse.co.uk/tutorials/triangle.gif
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[23:19] <tld> (You don't need a 100W resistor to monitor 100W, you only need the Watt-rating to be above the wattage you need to dissipate at the resistor)
[23:20] <tld> You can then connect *both* sides to an op-amp, to feed the difference between the two sides onwards.
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[23:20] <tld> gf home, me heads off for a bit
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[23:21] <home> tld:np
[23:21] <prinler> Tld is a smart dude
[23:22] <biberao> hi
[23:23] <prinler> Guess I would have to see a diagram
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[23:23] <prinler> I just took a electronics class and passed it
[23:23] <prinler> A lot of good it does me seeing I don't remember it
[23:23] <bircoe> diagram of what?
[23:24] <prinler> Resistor and how it wires to my system
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[23:24] <bircoe> sensing current?
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[23:24] <prinler> Yeah
[23:25] <bircoe> it should just go in line with your load
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[23:25] <bircoe> ie in series
[23:26] <prinler> No negative?
[23:26] <bircoe> no
[23:27] <bircoe> well it can go in series with either the positive or negative
[23:28] <bircoe> heres an article explaining it.
[23:28] <bircoe> http://www.eetimes.com/design/analog-design/4010355/Understand-low-side-vs-high-side-current-sensing
[23:28] <prinler> Ok so the resistor goes in line like a fuse would?
[23:28] <bircoe> yep
[23:28] <biberao> 30
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[23:29] <prinler> Ok
[23:29] <prinler> 30 what
[23:29] <bircoe> have to go tend to kids, but read that article
[23:31] <prinler> I'm at work I will in a bit
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[23:56] <Benighted> hey, anyone here running rom collection browser?
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[23:57] * [M]ax cant wait for his pi to arrive ...
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[23:58] <[M]ax> gentoo + ldap + (nginx + php) + dnla server + samba + powerdns ... wondering if there is anything else i can add ....
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