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IRC Log for 2012-10-27

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[0:14] <lupinedk> [M]ax znc
[0:15] <Vazde> stackless python+gevent
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[0:18] <scorphus> what cloud file storage you guys use with your pi?
[0:19] <Matt> cloud?
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[0:23] <scorphus> Matt: yup, dropbox-like
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[0:25] <nid0> mine stores everything on my local san
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[0:25] <scorphus> I think I'm going with http://owncloud.org/
[0:26] <nid0> the owncloud software is pretty decent
[0:26] <scorphus> until now I'm doing it by hand with SFTP
[0:27] <prinler> That will run on rpi
[0:27] <prinler> ?
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[0:28] <nid0> owncloud does fine, yeah
[0:29] <prinler> Does it allow access from apple mobile products?
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[0:30] <prinler> I really like tversity but only works on windows
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[0:34] <prinler> I basically want to be able to click to stream my mp3 collection via we page. Like mediatomb but over the Internet.
[0:34] <scorphus> nid0: great, thanks for such valuable info! It's good to be know my chances of wasting time are low =)
[0:34] <prinler> Web
[0:34] <scorphus> s/be know/know/ =)
[0:34] <nid0> owncloud does do that
[0:35] <Datalink> prinler, there's VLC's web interface
[0:35] <prinler> Vlc? Video lan?
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[0:39] <prinler> Lemme
[0:40] <prinler> Google it
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[0:46] * Tachyon` sighs as his system refuses to mount various partitions as it thinks the last mount date was too far into the future
[0:46] <Tachyon`> clearly it wasn't expected that multiple operating systems would access the same filesystems
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[0:49] <Tachyon`> heh, had to set correct date with date then fake-hwclock save
[0:49] <Tachyon`> then reboot and it was corrected
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[0:52] <Datalink> Tachyon`, yeah, hwclock needs a sane time
[0:53] <Tachyon`> aye, heh, I have different cards with different operating ystems but some filesystems are on a small hard drtive that's always present
[0:53] <Tachyon`> so if I use one, then go back to the other it won't boot
[0:53] <Tachyon`> as it sees the rescue/src fs times are invalid
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[0:54] <Tachyon`> I know why it happens, it just occurs to me it could have been better designed, heh
[0:55] <Tachyon`> is there some reason it has to abort the boot? does it make a mess of the journals if the date is wrong or something?
[0:56] <Benighted> anyone here get rom collection browser working?
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[0:56] <Benighted> Everything seems to have imported fine, but launches a dark screen then nothing
[0:58] <Tachyon`> just seems a minor thing to produce the "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY - PANIC NOW - OH WOW ARE YOU UP TO YOUR NECK IN IT" type message
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[1:00] <dirty_d> http://phys.org/news/2012-10-paintballs-deflect-incoming-asteroid.html
[1:00] <dirty_d> interesting
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[1:17] <atouk> root
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[1:29] <Opinie> can I repartition a drive without losing all the contents on the partition currently in it?
[1:30] <IT_Sean> Are you changing the partition that has stuff on it?
[1:30] <Opinie> yes
[1:30] <IT_Sean> Then no.
[1:30] <Opinie> oh my...
[1:30] <plugwash> with the right tools yes you can
[1:30] <IT_Sean> Unless you are just making the 'stuff' partition bigger.
[1:30] <Opinie> nah, I actually want to reduce the stuff partitions size
[1:31] <IT_Sean> :/
[1:31] <plugwash> gparted can do that no problems
[1:31] <plugwash> at least with the filesystem types i've tried it with
[1:31] <Opinie> hmm
[1:31] <Opinie> I think I may have once done something like this with gparted successfully, but that was years ago
[1:32] <IT_Sean> I wonce successfully cancelled a print job. But, that too was years ago.
[1:32] <IT_Sean> *once
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[1:33] <Opinie> I think I'll have to buy another drive to move the contents of the stuff partition temporarily
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[1:33] <knoppies> Opinie, assuming that you have a contiguous free space at the end (or beginning) of your partition, you should be able to re-size it with something like gparted without a problem. I dont know if tools exist that move your data to make it possible to resize the partition (gparted might do that, I havent tried).
[1:34] <Opinie> ok
[1:34] <Opinie> thanks
[1:34] <knoppies> Opinie, regardless if you cannot afford to lose the data (say they are photographs of your kids) then I would backup the data regardless.
[1:34] <IT_Sean> aye, back up your stuffs.
[1:34] <knoppies> when playing with partitions there is always the risk that you will lose all your data.
[1:34] <knoppies> So you might want to buy that extra drive regarldess.
[1:34] <knoppies> s/reg.*/regardless/
[1:35] <Opinie> I think regardless is actually a better word than regardless
[1:35] <Opinie> *regarldess
[1:35] <knoppies> Im not sure which one you think is better now.
[1:36] <Opinie> never mind
[1:36] <knoppies> I don't know what came over me to use the word more than 4 times in that thought.
[1:36] <knoppies> It must have been the word I was thinking about.
[1:36] <Opinie> maybe it was necessary, regardless
[1:37] <knoppies> one of them I could have left out entirely. Anyway. What sort of data is on the drive? .iso files that you can re-download or are we talking about files that don't exist on the Internet?
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[1:38] <Opinie> knoppies: mainly files that don't exist on the internet
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[1:38] <knoppies> Opinie, then I recommend you back them up.
[1:39] <Opinie> yeah
[1:39] <Opinie> better just stop being lazy
[1:39] <Opinie> and do that
[1:39] <plugwash> gparted does not need contiguous free space to resize partitions
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[1:39] <plugwash> but I agree while i've never personally had gparted cause data loss i'd still strongly reccomend backups
[1:40] <Opinie> ok, thanks
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[1:50] <PCLine_> Good evening everyone
[1:51] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-video/blob/master/rpi/demo.c
[1:51] <Cheery> I cut some cornels today.. particularly from EGL
[1:52] <Cheery> it takes some time to notice that when you give something to those eglCreate -things. the original handle must not be removed
[1:52] <Cheery> that isn't told anywhere
[1:52] <Cheery> or hmm
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[1:53] <Cheery> hmm
[1:53] <Cheery> yea
[1:53] <Cheery> it's like that
[1:53] <ReggieUK> it wouldn't be fun if it was easy all the time
[1:53] <Cheery> this far I haven't seen why it should be hard.
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[1:57] <Cheery> I'm probably going to implement these features for now. then I'll get back to it and look at global_images again.
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[2:02] <Cheery> ReggieUK: anyway what do you think about a desktop compositing library for node.js?
[2:04] <discopig> lol
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[2:04] <ReggieUK> I have no opinion on that
[2:05] <knoppies> http://www.wut.co.nz/images/pibomb.jpg
[2:07] <Cheery> ReggieUK: sounds bit negative :)
[2:07] <IT_Sean> Don't try getting that by airport security.
[2:07] <IT_Sean> :p
[2:07] <knoppies> IT_Sean, its a battery hooked up to a PC, its really no different from a smartphone.
[2:08] <knoppies> The USB thing is a 3G modem.
[2:08] <IT_Sean> Wheeeeeel.... Still... Most mobile phones don't have bits of wire sticiking out in randon directions :p
[2:08] <knoppies> IT_Sean, thats true.
[2:09] <knoppies> IT_Sean, I once got an RC remote for a plane through airport security. Only once did they want a second look at it in the XRay machine. I went through 4 airports with it.
[2:09] <Cheery> that picture will be used in TSA security guide
[2:09] <IT_Sean> heh
[2:09] <knoppies> Cheery, are you submitting it to TSA or are you teasing us?
[2:09] * IT_Sean submits it in the "Bomb" catagory
[2:10] <Cheery> haha. that'd be lulz
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[2:12] <Cheery> would anyone of you be up for little bit of crowdsourcing rounds in week or two?
[2:12] <Cheery> basicly I need to get full bindings for webgl
[2:12] <Cheery> creationx has made a base I can use
[2:12] <Cheery> but it's incomplete
[2:12] <Cheery> webgl spec is available publicly.
[2:13] <Cheery> I'd need help from people to bring it complete
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[2:14] <Cheery> I thought about dividing the spec into sections and assign them to people willing to help
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[2:14] <Jungle-Boogie> i wish i was clever enough to assist, Cheery
[2:15] <Cheery> it's very simple stuff, I'll provide clear instructions and check the results afterwards.
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[2:15] <Jungle-Boogie> post a reddit about it, i'm sure people will be able to participate!
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[2:16] <Cheery> cool idea :)
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[2:17] <Jungle-Boogie> :)
[2:17] <AC`97> (:
[2:17] <Jungle-Boogie> it would beat the hell out of all the how do i posts and look what i shoved the pi into
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[2:25] <knoppies> Cheery, when you say crowd sourcing do you just want man hours (so open source project) or money?
[2:25] <Cheery> man hours
[2:26] <AC`97> ponies.
[2:26] <AC`97> also, sexists.
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[2:27] <knoppies> Cheery, if you ask again in two weeks I might be able to help, but I had some other projects of my own that I have planned to do.
[2:27] <knoppies> One of which is turn my brand new Pi into a headless always on (lower power use) server.
[2:27] <AC`97> i just got a new kindle paperwhite. need to break it in :D
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[2:28] <SpeedEvil> drop it on a rock
[2:28] <AC`97> ...
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[2:29] <AC`97> so uh... i found out that the RPi's GPIO can be a good receiver.
[2:29] <knoppies> AC`97, receiver of?
[2:29] <AC`97> i hooked one up to my cb radio, and a length of wire to the other...
[2:29] <AC`97> dirty hack XD
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[2:30] <AC`97> didn't have a long range, and there were lots of errors in the stream
[2:30] <AC`97> but it worked O.o
[2:30] <AC`97> floating GPIO pins = cool.
[2:32] <AC`97> also, i probably farked up my radio a bit by doing that
[2:33] <AC`97> (i used one RPi to control the transmit on the cb radio. that was the only connection)
[2:33] <knoppies> AC`97, I would love to get packet radio (or something digital over radio) going. But my CB radio's are those hand held ones with nothing exposed.
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[2:33] <AC`97> solenoid >:D
[2:33] <AC`97> trololol
[2:35] <AC`97> knoppies: you've seen my pi, right? :]
[2:35] <AC`97> i've stopped working on my project, since it's going to be cold soon...
[2:36] <knoppies> no I dont think I have seen it.
[2:36] <AC`97> motorcycles are only fun in summer
[2:36] <knoppies> Oh I see what you are doing with it.
[2:36] <AC`97> knoppies: http://goo.gl/sVRmG
[2:36] <knoppies> I love the heatsink.
[2:36] <AC`97> [:
[2:37] <knoppies> Do you have any blog and or description of what your trying to do with it?
[2:37] <Tachyon`> heh, people still use CB? where?
[2:37] <knoppies> The Pi on the Bike I mean.
[2:37] <knoppies> Tachyon`, all over the world.
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[2:37] <AC`97> knoppies: well, i sorta started one... but it probably won't have much until next year
[2:38] <knoppies> Tachyon`, most of the people around here (NZ) that use CB are 4WD enthusiasts or truckers.
[2:38] <knoppies> AC`97, ok.
[2:38] <Tachyon`> it used to be popular here
[2:38] <Tachyon`> but only the truckers seem to have them now
[2:38] <AC`97> still used in California by mexicans (with their illegal linear amps) talking to people in mexico O.o
[2:39] <AC`97> and truckers too, of course
[2:39] <knoppies> AC`97, having a closer look at the heatsink I can see its been cut to size. Did you do that?
[2:39] <AC`97> also, i got stuff from japan twice in the past
[2:39] <AC`97> knoppies: yes. a file :]
[2:39] <AC`97> got plenty of splinters too
[2:39] <knoppies> that must have taken forever.
[2:39] <AC`97> indeed.
[2:40] <knoppies> Do you think the stuff from japan was relayed?
[2:40] <Tachyon`> ih lol, linear amps
[2:40] <Tachyon`> they used to be called burners here
[2:40] <Tachyon`> they were sold in local shops as ornaments
[2:40] <AC`97> O.o
[2:40] <Tachyon`> not that I had one, I seemed to get some distance with just the regulation 4W
[2:40] <AC`97> knoppies: relayed from where ??
[2:40] <knoppies> AC`97, do they use satellite dishes and other directional antannas to get their signal to mexico?
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[2:41] <AC`97> knoppies: single omnidirectional antenna
[2:41] <knoppies> AC`97, I wouldnt know, but Im sure you can send the CB signal (or at least the sound waves) over the internet and then rebroadcast them on the other side of the world.
[2:41] <AC`97> knoppies: the guy who sold me his antron 99 tried to sell me his linear too...
[2:42] <knoppies> AC`97, that sounds like such a waste.
[2:42] <Tachyon`> or you could use short wave and not need the internet, ionosphere conditions permitting
[2:42] <knoppies> Tachyon`, Ive read about that before, but I don't like relying on the weather.
[2:42] <AC`97> but bouncin' is fun >:D
[2:43] <AC`97> internet relaying is cheating
[2:44] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/rn6p2 internet stealing is fun
[2:45] <knoppies> AC`97, I don't like stealing someone elses internet, their interests and mine are seldom the same. But I do want to setup a LAN between my house and someone else I know (just for the fun of it) but I don't know anyone who is within LOS of my roof.
[2:45] <knoppies> AC`97, have you done any packet radio? And is that what you are trying to achieve on the bike?
[2:46] <AC`97> knoppies: portable internet stealin' :P
[2:46] <AC`97> j/k
[2:46] <AC`97> just trying the challenge of cracking wifi while on a moving vehicle
[2:47] <AC`97> and active cracking at that, too.
[2:47] <knoppies> why would you need CB for that?
[2:47] <AC`97> oh, the CB was just some small stupid test i did when i was bored :P
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[2:48] <AC`97> because i figured out that the RPi interrupts are very sensitive
[2:48] <Tachyon`> hrm?
[2:48] <Tachyon`> what do you mean by that
[2:48] <AC`97> i could take a metal object, tap it on a ground (ethernet, hdmi, blah blah) and an interrupt would trigger
[2:48] <Tachyon`> how can an interrupt be sensitive, it interrupts or it doesn't
[2:48] <AC`97> O.o
[2:48] <Tachyon`> oh right
[2:48] <Tachyon`> that's odd
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[2:48] <AC`97> also, by discharging a piezoelectric ignitor nearby
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[2:49] <Tachyon`> managed to overheat mine watching ST:VI earlier (in HD), 10GB or so video, doesn't seem to like those much
[2:49] <Tachyon`> at least in RaspBMC
[2:50] <knoppies> I assume that we can easily get VLC working on the Pi.
[2:50] <Tachyon`> working yes, you can apt-get it
[2:50] <Tachyon`> working well, not so much
[2:50] <Tachyon`> someone (who isn't me and understands the graphics chipset) would have to modify it for hw acceleration
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[2:54] <knoppies> hopefully there is enough interest among those who have the know how.
[2:54] <knoppies> The other thing I was hoping for was someone would figure out how to get x264 streams from the Logitech C920 into linux so I can use it with my Pi, and it looks like someone is doing the dirty work for that too.
[2:54] <Tachyon`> yeah, I really should learn, particualrly now broadcom have opensourced it
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[2:59] <AC`97> my php script has used 117 minutes and 57.67 seconds of cpu time. is that a lot?
[2:59] <AC`97> it was over a course of 160 days 23 hours and 54 minutes
[2:59] <Tachyon`> how long has it been running?
[2:59] <Tachyon`> ah
[3:00] <Tachyon`> not so much then, lol
[3:00] <AC`97> you asked the right question XD
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[3:01] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/121026180050.png wheee~
[3:02] <AC`97> also, swap is for wussies
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[3:02] * AC`97 sneaks away
[3:02] <Tachyon`> htop...
[3:02] <kkombarji> I have a wifi adapter. It is recognized when plugged directly into the Pi, but fails when being used due to power issues. It doesn't get recognized as a wifi adapter when it's plugged into a powered hub though. What do I do?
[3:02] <AC`97> oh wow, i have htop installed
[3:02] <Tachyon`> I had 512MiB or so of swap on a real hard disk
[3:03] <Tachyon`> but the bloody drive is faulty and keeps powering down so I also have none now
[3:03] <kkombarji> Also, lsusb shows it as being plugged in, but it just doesn't work to config my wifi
[3:03] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/121026180237.png htop
[3:03] <AC`97> Tachyon`: was it the full drive? lol
[3:03] <Tachyon`> no, it's a 20GB 1.8" drive
[3:03] <AC`97> oh... whoa
[3:03] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepicloseup.jpg
[3:03] <Tachyon`> you can just see it under the tape on this very untidy pi
[3:04] * AC`97 doesn't see anything XD
[3:04] <AC`97> ohwait, i see it now
[3:04] <Tachyon`> at the left hand side you can see teh far end pokign out
[3:04] <AC`97> yah
[3:04] <Tachyon`> I chose 1.8 for that very reason
[3:04] <AC`97> that doesn't look too great for heat dispersion
[3:04] <Tachyon`> they add almost nothing to the size
[3:04] <Tachyon`> they're available for next to nothing up to 80GiB
[3:04] <Tachyon`> er
[3:05] <Tachyon`> GB
[3:05] <Tachyon`> dammit
[3:05] <AC`97> :P
[3:05] <Tachyon`> it's 2am, that's my excuse anyway -.-
[3:05] <Tachyon`> I'm going to design my own wooden box with a small fan
[3:05] <Tachyon`> that's temporary
[3:05] <AC`97> i have a plastic box with a big fan :P
[3:05] <Tachyon`> lol
[3:06] <Tachyon`> was pondering a steampunk look for it
[3:06] <Tachyon`> cogs that turn faster depending on CPU load, memory use represented by an old style pressure type gauge or something of that nature
[3:07] <AC`97> o.o
[3:07] <Tachyon`> not that there's any real point of either but it has GPIO so why not
[3:07] <AC`97> car instrument panel :P
[3:07] <Tachyon`> could use the four extras on the new one leaving main port available
[3:08] <knoppies> Tachyon`, that sounds like an awesome case. Cogs and pressure gauge.
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[3:09] <Tachyon`> aye, I'll probably do that with the dedicated media one
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[3:10] <Rudeviper> Hello Everyone
[3:10] <AC`97> Hello Singlar Entity.
[3:10] <Tachyon`> wonder how long it'll be until there's a Pi on the ISS
[3:11] <Rudeviper> lol
[3:11] <Rudeviper> I am having a major problem trying to get my RPi to accept and perform the RAM upgrade - I followed the instructions from github right up to the point of replacing certain files - problem is I can't put those files in the /boot directory and now the directory is empty except for the config.txt. - but I haven't shut it off yet so I need to know how to move those files so I can have all my
[3:11] <Rudeviper> ram and set up the split I need
[3:11] <AC`97> ^ whoa
[3:11] <Tachyon`> you've unmounted boot
[3:11] <Tachyon`> at a guess
[3:11] <Rudeviper> nope
[3:11] <Tachyon`> well why would it be empty? did you delete everything in it?
[3:11] <Rudeviper> just deleted the files in it like github said to
[3:11] <Tachyon`> oh right
[3:12] <Rudeviper> now I can't get the upgrade files in it
[3:12] <Rudeviper> lol
[3:12] <Rudeviper> DOHHHHH!
[3:12] <Tachyon`> ?
[3:12] <Tachyon`> cp?
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[3:12] <Rudeviper> nope - can't figure out the correct string to type in in terminal and the file manager just won't let me do it
[3:13] <Tachyon`> cp foo.bar /boot
[3:13] <Rudeviper> tried cp - mv - and even chmod
[3:13] <Tachyon`> are you root?
[3:13] <Rudeviper> ls
[3:13] <Rudeviper> ooops - wrong keyhboard
[3:13] <Rudeviper> yes
[3:13] <Tachyon`> then cp foo.bar /boot will work
[3:14] <Tachyon`> there's no two ways about it, heh
[3:14] <Tachyon`> what error are you getting when you try?
[3:15] <Rudeviper> failed to preserve ownership etc
[3:15] <Tachyon`> that's fine
[3:15] <AC`97> indeed.
[3:15] <Tachyon`> fat32 can't preserve permissions/owner
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[3:15] <AC`97> fat32 is too fat to take any more permissions
[3:15] * AC`97 hides
[3:15] <Rudeviper> ok - I am now TOTALLY confused - the files are in the folder
[3:16] * Tachyon` blinks
[3:16] <Rudeviper> lol
[3:16] <AC`97> it was just a warning, not a fatal error
[3:16] <Rudeviper> ok - here goes nothing - going to reboot and see if it works
[3:16] <AC`97> ...
[3:16] <AC`97> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[3:16] <AC`97> ... er, nvm... good luck ^_^
[3:17] <Tachyon`> lol
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[3:17] <maicod> hiya
[3:17] <AC`97> ohai
[3:17] <maicod> hi ac
[3:17] <maicod> :)
[3:17] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[3:17] <maicod> are u ?
[3:17] <maicod> :)
[3:17] <AC`97> (:
[3:17] <maicod> what happened ?
[3:18] <AC`97> ?? (:
[3:18] <maicod> u blew up the Pi ?
[3:18] <AC`97> i turned one into a receiver.
[3:18] <AC`97> with a long wire on a gpio pin
[3:18] <maicod> oh yea I remember . morse huh
[3:18] <AC`97> o.o
[3:19] <maicod> and then?
[3:19] <AC`97> also, http://goo.gl/yIdLL
[3:19] <AC`97> ponies.
[3:19] <maicod> poor bluetooth stick
[3:19] <maicod> :)
[3:19] <Tachyon`> argh
[3:19] <maicod> he killed a bluetooth :)
[3:20] <AC`97> it was still alive.
[3:20] <maicod> LOL
[3:20] <Tachyon`> oh right, not ponie
[3:20] <Tachyon`> goodgood...
[3:20] <maicod> what'd u do to the antenna of the bluetooth circuitboard :)
[3:21] <AC`97> snip snip
[3:21] <maicod> its smudgy
[3:21] <AC`97> i added external antenna connector
[3:21] <maicod> ah okay
[3:21] <maicod> the thing in picture 1 ?
[3:21] <AC`97> nope
[3:21] <AC`97> that was the sorta-fake external antenna that came with the thing
[3:22] <maicod> never seen one like that FOR BLUETOOTH
[3:22] <maicod> only wifi ones
[3:22] <maicod> LOL
[3:22] <AC`97> lol
[3:22] <maicod> bluetooth is supposed to be 'small'
[3:22] <AC`97> well, most of the bluetooth ones like that have semi-fake antennas
[3:22] <AC`97> or totally fake in some cases
[3:22] <maicod> oh rite
[3:22] <maicod> what is fake about it ?
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[3:22] <AC`97> single wire, no shielding
[3:23] <maicod> oh aye
[3:23] <AC`97> totally fake = just plastic
[3:23] <maicod> hehe
[3:23] <Tachyon`> actually, that might not be the case
[3:23] <Tachyon`> if it were the right length...
[3:23] <AC`97> false, it wasn't XD
[3:23] <Tachyon`> oh okay
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[3:23] <maicod> use a coax wire or a piece of carbon rod :)
[3:23] <maicod> the ones in AM radios
[3:24] <AC`97> O.o
[3:24] * Tachyon` blinks
[3:24] <maicod> about my quake not running on one of my Pi's : I twittered element14 (direct message)
[3:24] <maicod> hope they reply
[3:25] <maicod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRq0Ze31fxc
[3:25] <maicod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pptwQNqrvVc
[3:25] <maicod> the good one and the bad one
[3:25] <maicod> I made a longer video for the element guys :)
[3:25] <AC`97> o.o
[3:26] <maicod> the 2nd pi is really naughty :) it just crashes completely
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[3:27] <AC`97> put it on server duty instead
[3:27] <AC`97> no gpu = no crashy XD
[3:27] <maicod> well if I can get a new one thats better and otherwise I'll do that
[3:27] <AC`97> indeed
[3:27] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/Q0c8H
[3:27] <AC`97> hardest lock i've ever picked.
[3:28] <maicod> haha nah its maybe the memory (upwards to the end of the memory chip. which doesnt get used much or so
[3:28] <AC`97> without real lockpicks
[3:28] <maicod> cause it normally never crashes
[3:28] <AC`97> have you done some memory tests?
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[3:28] <maicod> nope
[3:28] <AC`97> do it
[3:28] <maicod> with what ?
[3:29] <AC`97> memory testing tool(s)
[3:29] <maicod> is there mem86 in apt ?
[3:29] <AC`97> possibly
[3:29] <AC`97> (no clue)
[3:29] <maicod> hehe
[3:29] <maicod> whats the item you disassembled on the 3 pics ?
[3:29] <maicod> ah lock
[3:29] <maicod> I see now
[3:29] <AC`97> :P
[3:30] <maicod> I know how those work
[3:30] <AC`97> i had to pick it open before i could take it apart
[3:30] <AC`97> stupid mushroom pins D:
[3:30] <maicod> what are you planning to do with it ?
[3:30] <AC`97> or, spools
[3:30] <AC`97> i just wanted to see what it was like inside :P
[3:30] <maicod> funny is that first the keys are made and then the factory searches the right pin length for each 'tick'
[3:30] <AC`97> indeed.
[3:30] <maicod> hahaha I've seen that on 'how do they do it'
[3:31] <AC`97> but, you do see how the one in the picture would be harder to pick open, right?
[3:31] * maicod lets others do the disassembling :)
[3:31] <Rudeviper> crossing fingersw
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[3:31] <AC`97> o.o
[3:32] <Rudeviper> is ther a package for some kind of irc client for the RPi?
[3:32] <maicod> ehm no ;)
[3:32] <maicod> xchat ?
[3:32] <maicod> I use thatone
[3:32] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/121026183122.png <- normally, the spool thing is a solid cylinder in normal locks
[3:32] <maicod> oh the tips look different
[3:32] <AC`97> the spool :P
[3:33] <AC`97> = the part that the key doesn't touch
[3:33] <Rudeviper> grrrrrrrrr - that didn't work - still only showing 256 mb ram
[3:33] <AC`97> Rudeviper: are you sure you have a 512mb one?
[3:33] <maicod> oh you mean the holes ?
[3:33] <maicod> in the side
[3:33] <Rudeviper> yes
[3:33] <AC`97> Rudeviper: your ram chip has 4G somewhere?
[3:33] <AC`97> maicod: er, which what holes
[3:33] <Rudeviper> yes
[3:34] <maicod> ac: the ones in picture2
[3:34] <maicod> in the side of the housing of the lock
[3:34] <AC`97> er, nope. those are normal :P
[3:34] <maicod> ok :)
[3:34] * maicod doesn't know which part u call spool
[3:34] <AC`97> maicod: http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/metroid50/DSC00977.jpg
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[3:34] <maicod> it looked like u mean the pins
[3:35] <AC`97> the top pins
[3:35] <maicod> yeah the pins
[3:35] <Rudeviper> I think the hurricane is here now
[3:35] <Tachyon`> I thought memtest86 was x86 only, hence the name
[3:35] * maicod didnt see the word spool as a pin shape :) spool is often something 'windable'
[3:35] <maicod> hahaha maybe Tachyon`
[3:35] <AC`97> o.o
[3:36] <AC`97> spool = spool for winding stuff onto
[3:36] <maicod> yea
[3:36] <maicod> rite
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[3:36] <maicod> ooooooooooh
[3:36] <Rudeviper> install xchat
[3:36] <maicod> the pins have a narrowing
[3:36] <maicod> and there the metal wire goes around
[3:36] <maicod> springs
[3:37] <AC`97> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/enFRn189Qo0/0.jpg
[3:37] <AC`97> spool makes it hard to pick.
[3:37] <maicod> what is the pink cloth?
[3:37] <AC`97> er.. it's a brass pin/spool
[3:38] <AC`97> maicod: do you know how the internals of a lock works?
[3:38] <AC`97> -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtl2hmHZCLw
[3:38] <maicod> well the key lifts the pins and if it lifts them all in the same height (but they are different in length) the cilinder can turn
[3:39] <maicod> the key lifts the pins and if its the right key all pins are lifted at even height
[3:39] <AC`97> so i suppose you know how a lock can be picked, right?
[3:40] <maicod> ofc try to lift all pins up at the right distance
[3:40] <AC`97> yes
[3:40] <AC`97> but one at a time
[3:40] <maicod> huh but you need them all at once to be able to turn
[3:40] <Rudeviper> ok - going to switch to the Pi now and set up xchat there. Be back when I figure this one out.
[3:40] <AC`97> that's where the tension wrench comes in play
[3:41] <maicod> rudeviper: apt-get install xchat
[3:41] <maicod> what does that do?
[3:41] <AC`97> you put some force on the cylinder, trying to turn it. friction will hold the pins up
[3:41] <maicod> aha OK
[3:41] <SpeedEvil> Rudeviper: consider quassel also
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[3:41] <maicod> so thats why you have 2 'needles' to stick in the lock
[3:42] <AC`97> one is the pick and one is the tension wrench
[3:42] <maicod> aha
[3:42] <maicod> never knew that
[3:42] <maicod> cause
[3:42] <maicod> I dont pick locjks
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[3:42] <maicod> locks
[3:42] <AC`97> lol
[3:42] <maicod> heh
[3:42] <maicod> so what about the pins with the narrowing ?
[3:42] <AC`97> me neither O:-)
[3:42] <maicod> haha
[3:42] <maicod> but you are more intrested
[3:42] * maicod reports u :P
[3:42] <maicod> hahaha
[3:43] <RudeViper> ok - that turned out to be really easy -
[3:43] <maicod> rude yea
[3:43] <AC`97> the spooled pins try to fool the person trying to pick the lock
[3:43] <maicod> speedevil: is quassel for X or not ?
[3:43] <RudeViper> so far this is the easiest thing I have been able to do on the Pi or Linux
[3:43] <RudeViper> lol
[3:43] <maicod> ah I see
[3:44] <AC`97> maicod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbug5SS0GJo
[3:44] <RudeViper> wish I could do that - can't do any video yet
[3:45] <maicod> a video how to become a thief :)
[3:45] <AC`97> maicod: even in that video, the guy has to try twice
[3:45] <geordie> the holes for the pins are never exactly in line, so one pin will pop into place, the barrel will turn slightly holding that pin above the barrel, and you pop up another pin
[3:45] <AC`97> if it was a normal lock, he'd probably get it open in 1/4th of the time
[3:45] <RudeViper> lol - don't need instructions for that
[3:46] * maicod never thought he'd learn to become a lockpicker here ;P
[3:46] <maicod> can my Pi pick locks ? :)
[3:46] <AC`97> yes.
[3:46] <maicod> otherwise its offtopic LOL
[3:46] <geordie> see Ted the Tool's _MIT Guide to lockpicking_
[3:46] <RudeViper> Locks are only good for keeping honest people honest
[3:46] <maicod> heh
[3:46] <AC`97> newest kwickset locks can be opened in 2 seconds
[3:46] <AC`97> they're expensive too :|
[3:47] <RudeViper> thats slow
[3:47] <AC`97> 1.8 seconds to insert tool in lock.
[3:47] <AC`97> or, to remove tool from pocket XD
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[3:48] <maicod> rudeviper: I don't watch youtube vids on my Pi. I think its too slow for that or am I wrong ?
[3:48] <AC`97> i watched 2 or 3 youtube videos on my pi
[3:48] <AC`97> worked fine
[3:48] <RudeViper> I don't know - I can't get them to work yet
[3:48] <maicod> what browser ?
[3:48] <AC`97> but then again, i downloaded them first XD
[3:48] <AC`97> no browser, lol
[3:48] <maicod> hahahahha
[3:48] <maicod> you cheat ;)
[3:48] <AC`97> orly
[3:49] <AC`97> i just didn't use flash/html5
[3:49] <RudeViper> Has anyone here "SUCCESSFULLY" upgraded their firmware to get the 512 mb ram?
[3:49] * maicod slaps AC`97 around a bit with a heavy notebook :)
[3:49] <AC`97> RudeViper: yes, at least one person
[3:49] <maicod> it was time for that :)
[3:49] <AC`97> O.o
[3:49] <RudeViper> who? and is he here?
[3:49] <maicod> upgrade /
[3:49] <maicod> ?
[3:49] <maicod> is that possible?
[3:49] <AC`97> maicod: firmware
[3:49] <AC`97> for the new 512MB models
[3:50] <maicod> oops misread
[3:50] <AC`97> RudeViper: i forgot
[3:50] <maicod> sorry
[3:50] <RudeViper> rats
[3:50] <AC`97> RudeViper: are you sure you had the correct files?
[3:50] <maicod> didnt read the whole line :P
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[3:50] <RudeViper> pretty sure - got them from github
[3:50] <PCLine_> I have Successfully upgraded
[3:50] <RudeViper> ok - how do I do it
[3:50] <AC`97> RudeViper: mount|grep boot
[3:50] <PCLine_> I can not type but I can upgrade
[3:50] <AC`97> boot mounted?
[3:51] <RudeViper> lol\
[3:51] <maicod> what can you do with a 512 MB Pi that you cant with a 256 one /
[3:51] <maicod> ?
[3:51] <RudeViper> I am on the Pi now
[3:51] <AC`97> maicod: bigger tmpfs
[3:51] <RudeViper> better video
[3:51] <maicod> oh
[3:51] <AC`97> wot
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[3:51] <maicod> rudeviper: welcome. you use xchat ?
[3:51] <maicod> I like it
[3:51] <RudeViper> yes - just installed it
[3:51] <PCLine_> maicod: I can -cache more on my mplayer
[3:52] <maicod> oh rite
[3:52] <RudeViper> I am on the Pi - w00t w00t w00t
[3:52] <maicod> hehe
[3:52] <RudeViper> lol
[3:52] <AC`97> psh, 16MB cache is good enough
[3:52] <AC`97> i used to use 1GB cache for mplayer on my lappotop, so my drive would turn off while i watched movie :D
[3:53] <RudeViper> I'm just getting started with it - they say it can be used for streaming video and as a media center - that is what I want to do with it
[3:53] <AC`97> ... then i replaced said drive with a 128MB SSD.
[3:53] * maicod doesnt see the immdediate reason to get another Pi :)
[3:53] <PCLine_> without -cache 128 I was getting a lot of skipping.
[3:53] <AC`97> PCLine_: 128 kilobytes? XD
[3:53] <AC`97> try -nocache
[3:53] <maicod> 128K :)
[3:54] <RudeViper> I think these things would be GREAT for alot of things - like automating certain things
[3:54] <AC`97> perhaps it was the buffering/caching that was skippin' it up
[3:54] * maicod played h264 vids fine with omxplayer streamed over wifi
[3:56] <knoppies> maicod, you could watch youtube on your Pi using VLC. I dont know how well VLC works on the Pi but it would probably be much better than trying to use FLASH.
[3:56] <maicod> OK thanks for the idea
[3:56] <maicod> knoppies u dutch?
[3:56] <AC`97> s/vlc/omxplayer/
[3:56] <maicod> what ?
[3:57] <PCLine_> Duhhhh. I should have known that. I was thinking 128 was 1/4 my 512!
[3:57] <maicod> hehehe
[3:57] <AC`97> O.o
[3:57] <maicod> o.0
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[3:57] <maicod> ah he doesnt use the 0 :)
[3:57] <AC`97> ??.??
[3:57] <maicod> o.O
[3:57] <maicod> O.o
[3:57] <AC`97> ??.??
[3:57] <knoppies> maicod, no, African.
[3:57] <AC`97> same difference
[3:58] <maicod> ah OK cool I thought you name sounded a bit dutch and south african so thats logical
[3:58] <maicod> <--Dutch
[3:58] <maicod> we would say Knopjes
[3:58] <AC`97> <--Troll
[3:58] <maicod> yeah we know ac :)
[3:58] <AC`97> (:
[3:58] <maicod> heh
[3:58] <RudeViper> so - can anyone point me in the right direction to proper instructions for upgrading this Pi?
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[3:58] <maicod> keep forgetting if u're canadian or american
[3:59] <RudeViper> American
[3:59] <knoppies> maicod, does it mean the same thing?
[3:59] <maicod> sorry I mean AC`97
[3:59] <RudeViper> American by Birth - Southern by the grace of God!
[3:59] <AC`97> O.o
[3:59] <maicod> knoppies: it means small buttons ?
[3:59] <DeliriumTremens> rpi-update?
[3:59] <RudeViper> no - American and Canadian are not the same
[3:59] <maicod> heheh RudeViper
[3:59] <RudeViper> No rpi update isn't the same thing
[3:59] <PCLine_> Watch out. I just expanded my rootfs and now I have more memory I can do so much more now!
[4:00] <knoppies> RudeViper, I don't know, I havent tried yet, but I have a 512mb version too so would like to know. When you first boot the debian image it gives you a menu that has an rpi-update option> I figured that might help.
[4:00] <maicod> whats the difference between American and Southern then?
[4:00] <knoppies> maicod, yes.
[4:00] <RudeViper> HAHAHAHAH!
[4:00] <maicod> knoppies: ah in hollands its Knopjes
[4:00] <knoppies> maicod, I will try remember that.
[4:00] <knoppies> can omxplayer stream videos much like vlc?
[4:00] <maicod> OK ik denk dat we elkaar wel kunnen verstaan
[4:00] <RudeViper> I tried that and via term too - but it only updates the software - I'm trying to get the hardware upgraded
[4:01] <maicod> sorry that was Dutch
[4:01] <knoppies> RudeViper, hmmm. I assume you've googled it. Thats a bit worrying I was hoping it would be easy.
[4:02] <knoppies> maicod, I no longer live in South Africa, so I don't really know Afrikaans all that well, but google translate understands you.
[4:02] <knoppies> I mean to add a wink ;)
[4:02] <RudeViper> yes I have - found 3 diferent approches so far and all three of them are missing a step I think
[4:02] <maicod> knoppies: ahaha you cheat :)
[4:02] <knoppies> maicod, I understood half of what you said.
[4:02] <maicod> knoppies: its ok :)
[4:02] <maicod> ok
[4:02] <RudeViper> How many people are using their Pi to chat?
[4:02] <maicod> knoppies: where do you live now ?
[4:03] <maicod> rudeviper: I do .(not currently)
[4:03] <maicod> RudeViper: wanna know a cool console mode msn client ?
[4:03] <knoppies> RudeViper, mine isnt on. All I did was test it works.
[4:03] <knoppies> maicod, New Zealand.
[4:03] <RudeViper> maicod - sure
[4:03] <maicod> knoppies: ah OK . it must be nice there
[4:03] <maicod> rudeviper: try centerim
[4:03] <maicod> I think its a package
[4:03] <RudeViper> BRB - smoke break
[4:03] <knoppies> maicod, the weather can't make up its mind, but other than that it is wonderful.
[4:04] <maicod> hehehe OK
[4:04] <maicod> knoppies: weather in NL isnt that good either :)
[4:04] <maicod> its colder now
[4:04] <maicod> 7 celsius
[4:04] <RudeViper> yep - it's a package - installing now
[4:04] <maicod> cool
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[4:04] <maicod> its a handy client !
[4:05] <maicod> works light and can even run inside a terminal under X
[4:05] <RudeViper> Weather here in Florida - USA is great - just a little ol hurricane outside right now
[4:05] <maicod> oh dam
[4:05] <maicod> damn
[4:05] <RudeViper> lol
[4:05] <knoppies> RudeViper, anything for you to worry about?
[4:05] <maicod> he says it as if its a minor thing :)
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[4:05] <RudeViper> not really - its far offshore - but it is windy and hell here - lol
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[4:06] <RudeViper> oops - that ans was supposed to as
[4:06] <maicod> great to live in the states . minor thing is we get tornados and hurricanes
[4:06] <maicod> heh
[4:06] <RudeViper> and blizzards don't forget
[4:06] <maicod> we got those too:)
[4:06] <maicod> snowstorms huh
[4:06] <RudeViper> I live in FL so I don't have to worry about those at least
[4:06] <maicod> some winters
[4:07] <maicod> but its boring to have xmas in the sun :)
[4:07] <RudeViper> no it isn't
[4:07] <maicod> oh :)
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[4:07] <RudeViper> I can't do cold anymore - it doesn't agree with the Titanium rods in my back
[4:07] <maicod> :(
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[4:08] <maicod> rudeviper: is it working ? you got to get accustomed to it a little
[4:08] <maicod> to exit first press escape to exit a chat and then q
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[4:10] * maicod learnt how you can tell if the warranty bit is set :)
[4:11] <maicod> if cat /proc/cpuinfo says Revision : 0002
[4:11] <maicod> its not triggered
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[4:11] <maicod> if it says 1000002 it is
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[4:13] <RudeViper> no it isn't yet - I am missing something somewhere - cause several people have gotten it to work but alot haven't gotten it yer
[4:13] <RudeViper> yet
[4:14] <maicod> rudeviper: are we talking about the same thing ? I meant centerim
[4:15] <knoppies> maicod, can you re-write that bit to re-enable the warranty?
[4:15] <maicod> knoppies: thats the problem. NO (as far as I know)
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[4:15] <RudeViper> not yet - still using xchat atm - checking weather then I'll fire that up
[4:15] <maicod> it has been used by raspberry to see if ppl overclocked their pi so they wouldnt give them warranty on defects
[4:15] <maicod> but now overclocking is allowed (sortof)
[4:16] <maicod> I believe not everything is allowed (not sure)
[4:16] <maicod> rude: fine
[4:16] <knoppies> maicod, you can overclock if you dont up the voltage. Thats my understanding anyway.
[4:16] <maicod> aha
[4:16] <RudeViper> that is correct
[4:16] <knoppies> maicod, you know if you type in ru<tab> it will autocomplete his name to RudeViper
[4:16] <maicod> yeah but sometimes it does wrong :(
[4:17] <maicod> like ac becomes acperkins
[4:17] <knoppies> then hit tab again.
[4:17] <maicod> oh ?????
[4:17] <RudeViper> lol
[4:17] <maicod> duuuuuuuuh
[4:17] <des2> The official overclocking is allowed.
[4:17] <maicod> I didnt know that
[4:17] <des2> Rogue overclocking isn't
[4:17] <maicod> I thought I had to type more chars
[4:17] <maicod> LOL
[4:17] <maicod> and I am too lazy :)
[4:17] <knoppies> either way works.
[4:17] <RudeViper> ma
[4:17] <maicod> didnt know it cycles
[4:18] <knoppies> ru<tab><tab> is less work (in my opinion) than rude
[4:18] <RudeViper> maicod, testing now
[4:18] <maicod> but the raspi-config menu has overvolts setting too !
[4:18] <maicod> how can that then be illegal?
[4:18] <maicod> cool RudeViper
[4:18] <knoppies> maicod, I assume it is, but I don't know.
[4:18] <maicod> me neither :)
[4:18] <maicod> ask raspbi foundation :)
[4:18] <maicod> raspi
[4:18] <knoppies> maicod, I understand them giving the user the option to provided that they make it clear that it voids the warranty. Rather than try prevent the user from doing it.
[4:19] <maicod> ah lemme find the article that I read
[4:19] <RudeViper> maicod, it isn't showing up on my list - how do I run this?
[4:19] <DeliriumTremens> anyone here using retroarch/emulationstation?
[4:19] <DeliriumTremens> i cannot, for the life of me, figure out what version of mame i need roms for
[4:19] <maicod> rudeviper: type centerim (console or terminal if u are in X)
[4:19] <maicod> brb
[4:20] <RudeViper> maicod, ok what does this do?
[4:21] <maicod> rudeviper: for isntance msn
[4:21] <maicod> you can login with msn account
[4:21] <RudeViper> ohhhh
[4:21] <maicod> and chat with msn friends
[4:21] <RudeViper> how?
[4:21] <maicod> ehm w8
[4:22] <RudeViper> I don't understand any o this
[4:22] <maicod> have to go to the pi
[4:22] <maicod> :(
[4:22] <maicod> the putty does weird things with it
[4:22] <RudeViper> ok - video doesn't work on this thing
[4:24] <maicod> rudeviper: in centerim press f4 and go to the msn part of the list and fill in your account details
[4:25] <maicod> I mean f4 gives a menu and in it choose accounts
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[4:25] <jmadero> hi all, anyone around?
[4:25] <jmadero> trying to figure out this EDID stuff, just got my RPi
[4:25] <RudeViper> wow - I am logged in
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[4:25] <maicod> heheh
[4:25] <maicod> its cool program
[4:26] <maicod> now hit someone in your friends list
[4:26] <RudeViper> yeah - low resources
[4:26] <maicod> to exit press escape
[4:26] <maicod> and q to exit centerim
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[4:26] <maicod> brb toilet
[4:26] <RudeViper> don't have anyone there - lol - just started the account
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[4:26] <RudeViper> Anyone care to add me to msn messenger?
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[4:27] <RudeViper> I like this - it can do ICQ-MSN and Yahoo
[4:27] <Gumby> does anyone use ICQ anymore?
[4:27] <RudeViper> I don't - at least not in a long time but I can always sign up agian if I need it
[4:28] <RudeViper> fat fingers - ugh
[4:28] <des2> ICQ still exists ?
[4:28] <RudeViper> yep
[4:28] <maicod> gumby: I forgot my account nr of icq :()
[4:28] <Gumby> maicod: same
[4:29] <Gumby> yahoo too
[4:29] <RudeViper> I forgot ICQ Long ago
[4:29] <maicod> RudeViper: the centerim client can do most things a windows version does too. it can also save your chats
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[4:29] <maicod> but maybe I can retrieve it since it might be inside my old trillian program
[4:30] <maicod> rudeviper: msnmaik@hotmail.com
[4:30] <RudeViper> hang on
[4:30] <maicod> ok
[4:31] <maicod> here is the article about allowing to overclock: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[4:31] <maicod> sorry that was for knoppies
[4:31] <jmadero> every time I do /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -d edid.dat I get "Written 0 bytes to edid.dat"
[4:31] <knoppies> thanks maicod
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[4:31] <maicod> jmadero: try >edit.dat
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[4:31] <maicod> knoppies: yw
[4:32] <maicod> there's a cool article about the factory in wales. /me is gonna read it soon
[4:32] <jmadero> does anyone have their pi running through a stereo receiver then to a tv?
[4:32] <maicod> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2058
[4:33] <maicod> jmadero: did you try tvservice -d >edid.dat ?
[4:33] <jmadero> maicod: just reboot, about to try :)
[4:33] <maicod> ok :)
[4:33] <jmadero> this little thing is freaking amazing
[4:33] <maicod> heheh
[4:33] <jmadero> only thing I wish is that flash support was better :-/
[4:34] <jmadero> can't fully replace my computer hooked up to the tv
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[4:34] <maicod> nope indeed
[4:34] <RudeViper> maicod, how do you add someong
[4:34] <maicod> ehw
[4:34] <RudeViper> here - chuck.dudley@lie.com
[4:34] <maicod> what is your msn addres . I will add you and tell how I did it
[4:34] <maicod> LOL you already said it
[4:34] <knoppies> jmadero, I wish flash would DIE and that we could replace it with better alternatives.
[4:35] <jmadero> knoppies: completely agree, but until then...I'm stuck with it
[4:35] <jmadero> and half my shows come on it
[4:35] <jmadero> lol
[4:35] <jmadero> come through*
[4:35] <jmadero> maicod: no luck witht hat command
[4:35] <jmadero> "option requres an argument -- 'd'
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[4:36] <RudeViper> crap - can't get out of search screen
[4:36] <jmadero> GOT IT
[4:36] <jmadero> okay...now what do I do with the EDID?
[4:36] <jmadero> lol
[4:36] <jmadero> trying it to force it to read from edid.dat instead of from tv
[4:36] <jmadero> then hopefully receiver will work from it
[4:36] <jmadero> where do I store the edid.dat so it's read from it?
[4:36] <maicod> RudeViper: press f4 again and go to 'find/add users' in the menu
[4:36] <jmadero> once I add the appropriate option in config.txt of course
[4:37] <RudeViper> ready
[4:38] <RudeViper> has anyone been able to get sound out of the Pi via hdmi cable?
[4:38] <jmadero> RudeViper: I have it, worked out of box
[4:38] <jmadero> on my tv at least, trying now on my stereo receiver
[4:38] <RudeViper> I have it plugged into a 32 inch monitor via HDMI but not getting any sound and videos aren't playing
[4:39] <RudeViper> monitor is actually a 32 inch tv with pc inputs etc
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[4:40] <jmadero> no one knows where to store my edid.dat file?
[4:40] <maicod> jmadero:sorry busy
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[4:41] <jmadero> I have read that I'm supposed to put it on the root of the sd card
[4:41] <jmadero> seems like a strange place to put it
[4:41] <jmadero> lol
[4:43] <Gumby> jmadero: if iti s writing 0 bytes the problem probably isnt with the output file, the problem is probably with the program
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[4:43] <Gumby> or did you get past that now?
[4:43] <jmadero> I got past that
[4:43] <jmadero> just need to figure out where to put it so it's read
[4:44] <jmadero> is it supposed to be on root of sd card?
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[4:45] <Gumby> sounds like it
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[4:47] <jmadero> dangit, I just can't get it to work with my receiver
[4:47] <jmadero> no picture
[4:47] <jmadero> shoot
[4:47] <echelon> is there a single place where i can purchase the model B at the advertised price?
[4:47] <Gumby> lucky for my it "just works" on my 46" Samsung
[4:47] <jmadero> it works with my tv fine, just not going through my receiver
[4:48] <jmadero> sob....I'm a freaking moron
[4:48] <jmadero> ....I pulled my HDMI cord out of my receiver and forgot to plug it back in
[4:48] <jmadero> 99% human error
[4:48] <jmadero> well, good news is, I have a working pi through 5.1 receiver
[4:49] <Gumby> lmao
[4:49] <Gumby> 99%?
[4:49] <jmadero> haha I'm not laughign
[4:49] <Gumby> what was the other 1%?
[4:49] <jmadero> well....the instructions are pretty horrible on the wiki ;)
[4:49] <Gumby> devine intervention ?
[4:49] <jmadero> I mean, they don't say "make sure the HDMI plug is plugged in"
[4:50] <jmadero> ;)
[4:50] <Gumby> lol, geeze
[4:50] <jmadero> no but really, the wiki needs cleaned up at some point
[4:51] <jmadero> I'm a dev for LibreOffice and it's one of our big things
[4:51] <jmadero> "make it dummy proof"
[4:51] <Gumby> indeed
[4:51] * scorphus is stressing his pi: 00:51:05 up 2:02, 4 users, load average: 4.21, 3.54, 2.20
[4:51] <Gumby> I'm an IT consultant and thats one of my main tasks. Make things dummy proof for when I'm not around
[4:51] <jmadero> I'm clearly the dummy most of the time ;)
[4:52] <jmadero> making the edid.dat file was just guess and check, there are no clear instructions anywhere
[4:52] <jmadero> wiki never says "put this on root of sd card"
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[4:53] <jmadero> next task, will my webcam work ;)
[4:53] <jmadero> getting greedy
[4:53] <cyclick> scorphus, how hot does it get?
[4:54] <scorphus> not much, I can rest my finger tip on the chip
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[4:54] <Gumby> hrm, I'm going travelling in south africa over xmas this year. I wonder if I could plug a pi into the cigarette lighter of the car and setup a nightvision cam and record whats goin on outside the tent
[4:55] <jmadero> hahaha that would be amazing
[4:55] <des2> Nah we'd rather see what was going on inside the tent....
[4:55] <jmadero> hm it doesn't love my green drive
[4:55] * maicod is finally back
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[4:55] <jmadero> lol
[4:55] <maicod> sorry others
[4:55] <Gumby> lol
[4:55] <jmadero> sorry? how dare you!
[4:56] <maicod> hahaha
[4:56] <jmadero> j/k
[4:56] <jmadero> ;)
[4:56] <jmadero> here goes my test, "please oh please wonderful 5.1 sound work"
[4:56] <maicod> jmadero: I have only one mind and 2 hands ;)
[4:56] * RudeViper is still confused and irritated
[4:56] <jmadero> anyone have a link to a cheap power source, apparently mine isn't strong enough :(
[4:56] <cyclick> do you recommend xbian or raspbmc for a xbmc ditribution?
[4:57] <jmadero> cyclick: I'm running raspbmc
[4:57] <jmadero> seems good
[4:57] <RudeViper> my pi wont run xbmc
[4:57] <des2> I'd go with the one with bmc in its name
[4:58] <maicod> jmadero: it seems tvservice -d <file> dumps a binary file that needs to be translated by some utilty
[4:58] <RudeViper> anyone been able to "SUCCESSFULLY" get their version B Pi upgraded on the 512 mb ram yet?
[4:58] <jmadero> maicod: yeah I got past that :)
[4:58] <jmadero> thanks
[4:58] <jmadero> doing my test now to see if it worked, then it's making it pretty for my wife....cords are her enemy
[4:58] <maicod> jmadero: hehe I had no time sorry otherwise I'd helped u with that
[4:58] <maicod> LOL
[4:58] <cyclick> RudeViper, you mean software upgrade?
[4:58] <jmadero> she sees one and she's just like "are you kidding me, no, absolutely no"
[4:59] <jmadero> ;)
[4:59] <RudeViper> He was busy teaching another rookie some new tricks
[4:59] <RudeViper> cyclick, no the firmware upgrade
[4:59] <jmadero> no one recommendation for cheap power supply?
[4:59] <RudeViper> some of them have 512mb ram but it isn't activated
[4:59] <knoppies> cyclick, because you can just switch SD cards, I recommend you give both a try. I know nothing about either of them but xbian sounds nicer.
[4:59] <knoppies> jmadero, I use my HTC phone charger.
[4:59] <jmadero> preferably with a small end to plug into the power strip
[5:00] <jmadero> knoppies: bought an off brand one, fail
[5:00] <jmadero> lol
[5:00] <jmadero> the brand name one is a bit steep isn't it?
[5:00] <jmadero> like $40?
[5:00] <maicod> jmadero: like those people who'd rather have no cords then a messy room
[5:00] <RudeViper> jmadero, I use a cellphone charger for mine
[5:00] <maicod> than
[5:00] <jmadero> exactly, but it just adds a new level of challenge ;) and she's worth the trouble of hiding some cords
[5:00] <maicod> jmadero: I hate it if friends ask me to help connecting stuff and start moaning about messyness of the cords
[5:00] <maicod> heh
[5:00] <knoppies> jmadero, I've seen some youtube clips of a guy stress testing a cheap one from china. Im not sure how to get a fairly cheap one that can also put out 1A at exactly 5V and have a stable voltage.
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[5:01] <RudeViper> But once I get it running I am going to build a nice case and run it off of some emergency light batteries
[5:01] <cyclick> RudeViper, firmware is software isnt it? .. anyways I installed the files from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot and it works.. you might have to add "gpu_mem_512=128" to config.txt
[5:01] <knoppies> jmadero, its scary how crap the stuff they sell to the public can be.
[5:01] * maicod is gonna read something on the web brb
[5:02] <RudeViper> cyclick, I have tried that too - but somewhere I think I am missing a step - cause when I do the raspi-config all I see is 256
[5:02] <knoppies> cyclick, if I use the Pi headless, can I set GPU memory to 0mb? or 1mb? (I should probably google that.
[5:02] <knoppies> RudeViper, how sure are you that your board is a 512mb version?
[5:02] <jmadero> damn, now my keyboard is acting funny
[5:02] <RudeViper> knoppies, yep - absolutely
[5:03] <maicod> wow Pi's are made as a cookie of 6 together and latet cut loose : http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012-09-21-11.04.58.jpg
[5:03] <maicod> later
[5:03] <cyclick> knoppies, not sure, but you could try it
[5:03] * maicod wants to have a 6Pi cookie :)
[5:04] <RudeViper> I want 5 or 6 of them
[5:04] <RudeViper> lol
[5:04] <jmadero> I have 1 hour to get this done.....ah! time crunch
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[5:04] <RudeViper> yikes - brb time for a smoke
[5:04] <maicod> RudeViper: 36 :)
[5:04] <jmadero> a smoke....man it's been awhile
[5:04] <RudeViper> maicod, you betcha
[5:04] <maicod> heh
[5:04] <jmadero> (8 years) haha
[5:05] <maicod> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012-09-21-10.58.22.jpg
[5:05] <maicod> the stack highly maginified
[5:05] <maicod> ram+soc
[5:05] <cyclick> RudeViper, to check my memory I used the command: free -h ..
[5:05] <maicod> ram+gpu/cpu
[5:05] <knoppies> RudeViper, this looks relevant: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20255&start=50
[5:05] <jmadero> maicod: do you have surround sound on yours?
[5:06] <maicod> huh THAT fancy ehm NO :)
[5:06] <maicod> I use the audio from the analog port
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[5:06] <jmadero> here goes the test
[5:06] <jmadero> loading....
[5:07] <jmadero> 5.1 sound!
[5:07] <cyclick> do you get clicking noise when sound start and stop on the analog port?
[5:07] <jmadero> beautiful....
[5:07] <jmadero> hm, wife better not learn I just called a piece of machinary beautiful ;)
[5:08] <jmadero> (she's 5' 90 lbs.....just want to be clear I'm joking when I say stuff) haha
[5:08] <maicod> cyclick: yea
[5:08] <jmadero> ....damn, very strange
[5:08] <knoppies> RudeViper, this might also help: https://blogs.oracle.com/hinkmond/entry/oh_snap_my_rpi_was
[5:08] <jmadero> I get the music of a show, not the voices
[5:09] <cyclick> maicod, I wish there was a way to stop that.. it is pretty annoying, specially if the volume is loud
[5:11] <maicod> cyclick: yeah thats the only drawback but you apparantly haven't been a Pi user earlier on cause back then the sound driver was REALLY annoying.
[5:11] <maicod> they just need to leave the sounddriver connected all the time
[5:11] <maicod> maybe that will be done on newer distros
[5:12] <maicod> cyclick: end/begin clicks but during the song no clicks (earlier on there were clicks during songs too)
[5:12] <echelon> how much does element14|newark charge for shipping
[5:13] <cyclick> maicod, so this could be fixed in software?
[5:13] <echelon> i selected standard ups ground (2-3 days)
[5:13] <cyclick> echelon, between $0 and $20
[5:13] <maicod> cyclick: well I think it is just the disabling and enabling of the sound driver so maybe it can be 'left enabled all the time'
[5:15] <RudeViper> knoppies, thanks - going to try those now
[5:15] <knoppies> I wonder if I can get a bluetooth keybaord working on the Pi using a bluetooth adapter.
[5:15] <echelon> i'm not buying a stinkin' raspberry poop for $55
[5:15] <echelon> i'm gonna cancel that shit if they charge me $20 for shipping
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[5:16] <knoppies> echelon, I bought mine for $55NZD with free shipping from element14 (it was shipped from AUS).
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[5:16] <RudeViper> my next task after this is to try and get the wireless working - lol
[5:16] <knoppies> RudeViper, Im going to try that too.
[5:16] <cyclick> knoppies, mine works, its logitech (1 usb adapter for 1 keyboard and mouse)
[5:16] <knoppies> I have a dongle but I don't know if its compatible.
[5:17] * maicod is gonna leave u pi-kiddies :)
[5:17] <echelon> 55 NZ$ = 45 US$ != 35 US$
[5:17] <RudeViper> i have read that mine is - just gotta figure out how to do it
[5:17] <maicod> laterz
[5:17] <knoppies> cyclick, ok, I was going to use one generic bluetooth adapter with a generic mini bluetooth keybaord. But Im glad that the logitech one works.
[5:17] <RudeViper> I'm a total n00b at linux
[5:17] <echelon> what's with all the discrepancy in prices
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[5:17] <knoppies> RudeViper, Ive been using linux for 4 years now.
[5:18] <knoppies> echelon, I don't know. But the 55 includes GST (at 15%) and 'free' shipping.
[5:18] <echelon> this reflects very poorly on upton
[5:18] <RudeViper> I played with it but never really used it till now - I love this thing - lol - I'm probably gonna wind up buying a bunch of them as time goes on
[5:18] <cyclick> echelon, order more then 1, then you will save on shipping
[5:18] <echelon> that's ok
[5:19] <knoppies> RudeViper, I plan on buying a bunch of them, as I test and confirm that I can do the things that I want to do with the Pi. But I thought I would start with one.
[5:19] <jmadero> okay question, when I set audio stream to AC3.5.1 I get no voice, any ideas?
[5:19] <jmadero> if I set it to stereo, works like a charm
[5:19] <knoppies> jmadero, do you get other audio?
[5:19] <knoppies> jmadero, with it in 5.1 mode.
[5:19] <jmadero> yes, everything but voice
[5:20] <jmadero> very strange....
[5:20] <knoppies> jmadero, then the voice is in a channel that is not being mixed in.
[5:20] <RudeViper> knoppies, same here - this one is for a media center idea I have been trying to do for years - if it works then I will get another for a file server
[5:20] <jmadero> knoppies: solution?
[5:20] <RudeViper> knoppies, I have like 20 old IDE drives laying around here that I can stuff into those usb cases and make use of them
[5:21] <knoppies> RudeViper, I wouldnt use the Pi as a file server, because every IO port (except for GPIO) is limited to USB2.0
[5:21] <knoppies> jmadero, try play around in the settings of your media player and see if you can set it to mix the channels in, but other than that I have no idea. Im sorry.
[5:21] <jmadero> no worries, I'll play around
[5:21] <jmadero> that's what this thing is for right ;)
[5:21] <knoppies> jmadero, it might even be that the Pi sends them to your decoder but the decoder ignores them.
[5:21] <RudeViper> knoppies, I know -but it's for household personal use - no business - don't need massive speeds or anything like that
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[5:22] <jmadero> how can I get a terminal using Raspbmc?
[5:22] <jmadero> so I can edit my config.txt file
[5:22] <knoppies> RudeViper, even in my personal use I want decent speed. But thats subjective. Then go for it. I like how small it is and how little power it uses.
[5:22] <RudeViper> knoppies, - my mom wants to set up an aquaponics farm and these things will be great for automating things like feeding the fish and turning pumps on and off
[5:23] <cyclick> RudeViper, using relays?
[5:24] <RudeViper> knoppies, yeah me too - I'm toying with an idea for making a completely self contained media center delio - battery powered with a screen and speakers built into a cool keyboard case - lol
[5:24] <RudeViper> cyclick, yep
[5:24] <Gumby> RudeViper: oh, I ve seen one of those.. lemme find a link...
[5:25] <jmadero> knoppies: you nailed it, receiver wasn't set for 5.1;)
[5:25] <RudeViper> I hope it isn't a video - lol
[5:25] <jmadero> I'm 2 for 2 tonight
[5:25] <Gumby> http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1855&bih=968&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=Rf8MGOfkJU6KTM:&imgrefurl=http://www.clker.com/clipart-14767.html&docid=bdlVGO1bvo5qFM&imgurl=http://www.clker.com/cliparts/8/a/3/1/1197107206400036309metalmarious_Laptop.svg.med.png&w=297&h=296&ei=CVSLUPPDFsG2igKRkoHQAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=549&vpy=175&dur=4019&hovh=224&hovw=225&tx=128&ty=154&sig=103818442827488984621&page=1&tbnh=144&tbnw=144&start=0&ndsp=45&ved=1t:429,
[5:25] <Gumby> r:2,s:0,i:141
[5:25] <Gumby> sorry for the crazy link
[5:26] <RudeViper> lol
[5:26] <Gumby> :D
[5:26] <RudeViper> that is funny - but yeah - but a whole lot cooler
[5:27] <knoppies> RudeViper, wont get much of a battery into a keyboard, but that sounds like its going to be an epic project. I have some ideas using relays too. Actual home automation stuff. I also want to see if I can use the Pi to turn logitech C920 (or similar) into IP Cams for an open source security system.
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[5:28] <knoppies> RudeViper, and I have ideas on using the Pi as an RGB LED controller. I just need to figure out if there is a cost effective way to make/use serial to parallel shift registers to turn the LEDs on/off.
[5:28] <cyclick> knoppies, the motion program is great for this
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[5:29] <RudeViper> knoppies, I think they actually have a board for that - at least it's something to work off of anyway
[5:29] <knoppies> cyclick, I was thinking of trying that on the server end. Thanks for the suggestion.
[5:29] <knoppies> RudeViper, they do? Do you know what its called?
[5:29] <jmadero> I wish they had charged an extra $5 and put it towards their fund to put these in all classrooms in 3rd world countries
[5:29] <jmadero> this product is the most amazing machine I've used
[5:29] <RudeViper> if this damned upgrade works and I get the sound worked out then I can watch movies too
[5:29] <knoppies> jmadero, glad I could help.
[5:30] <jmadero> knoppies: you're the man (maybe?) ;)
[5:30] <RudeViper> knoppies, I saw it on a youtube video - it was REALLY basic stuff but it might be enough to get you started
[5:31] <knoppies> RudeViper, Another idea i have is to try use the RPi as an in-car computer. For data logging and some calculations etc. But that will have to wait a bit.
[5:32] <RudeViper> I don't think they expected this big of an explosion when they started this project - lol
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[5:33] <RudeViper> before I go reboot now - can someone help me with setting this xchat client up so that it will auto identify me when I log in here again?
[5:33] <Gumby> like I've said before, they started a project to get school aged kids geeks up about PCs and how they work but what they've done is get geeks geeked up about pis
[5:34] <Gumby> RudeViper: its in the server settings
[5:34] <RudeViper> ROFLMAO
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[5:34] <RudeViper> I don't know how to get there - lol - this is the VERY first time I have used irc with linux
[5:34] <Gumby> which OS?
[5:35] <Gumby> distro
[5:35] <Gumby> edit->preferences->networks
[5:35] <knoppies> RudeViper, in xchat click on xchat at the top left (where you would find "FILE")
[5:35] <Gumby> edit freenode
[5:35] <knoppies> then click networks
[5:36] <knoppies> Then find freeNode, and hit edit.
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[5:36] <RudeViper> where is edit?
[5:36] <Gumby> which distro?
[5:36] <knoppies> on the right of the network list.
[5:36] <RudeViper> xchat
[5:36] <jmadero> hm, might have just frozen mine....haha
[5:36] <knoppies> Gumby, I think on his Pi, so probably debian.
[5:36] <Gumby> which linux distro?
[5:36] <Gumby> ah, on his pi
[5:36] <RudeViper> yeah - there is no edit on my screen
[5:36] <knoppies> RudeViper, a distro (short for distribution) is a flavour of linux.
[5:37] <RudeViper> I know - at first I thought he was talking to himslef
[5:37] <Gumby> xchat on a pi? I'd probably just use irssi
[5:37] <RudeViper> then someone answered
[5:37] <Sv> xchat works fine on it
[5:37] <Sv> surprisingly
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[5:39] <RudeViper> oh well guess I will have to do it manually for now
[5:39] <jmadero> knoppies: what is raspbmc based on? debian still?
[5:39] <jmadero> I'm tempted to install Bodhi and try it out
[5:40] <RudeViper> I couldn't get rapbmc to work - kept giving me some keyboard error - on three different keyboards
[5:40] <knoppies> jmadero, I dont know anything about raspbmc, sorry.
[5:40] <RudeViper> ok - brb - cross your fingers everyone - I am going to reboot
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[5:41] <mod_eerf> jmadero, yes raspbmc is debian based
[5:41] <mod_eerf> i use that on my pi
[5:42] <jmadero> anyone see that android is now ported to the Pi?
[5:42] <Gumby> hrm, I wonder if all distros have issue with audio on the RPi or whether it is a hardware problem
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[5:43] <jmadero> Gumby: my guess is it's not hardware
[5:43] <jmadero> just that Alsa isn't supporting it yet
[5:43] <jmadero> I wish they would use pulse front end
[5:43] <Gumby> alsa is working fine for me
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[5:44] <jmadero> Gumby: it's good but pulse is much easier
[5:44] <jmadero> to play around with
[5:44] <Gumby> the issue is that there are loud pops at the start and end of mp3 tracks
[5:44] <jmadero> great, I'll be hearing that soon enough, haven't gotten to testing out music yet
[5:47] <jmadero> crap doesn't like my cheapo remote either
[5:47] <jmadero> surprising, that works perfect in Debian, ubuntu and Bodhi
[5:48] <Gumby> probably just needs to be configured
[5:49] <jmadero> could just use my phone I suppose, touch screen remotes though aren't as good as you'd think though
[5:50] <mod_eerf> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[5:50] <jmadero> hm, food network plugin doesn't work very well :(
[5:53] <des2> Doesn't interface to your 3-d food printer ?
[5:53] <jmadero> lol no video at all ;)
[5:53] <jmadero> vp6 codec?
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[5:58] <Gumby> 3-d food printer? pfffft, who uses those anymore, haven't we moved onto food replicators ?
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[5:58] <RudeViper> fail
[5:59] <RudeViper> ok - raspi-config appears to be in error - running free says I have 512 ram
[5:59] <RudeViper> SWEEEEEEEET
[5:59] <jmadero> okay any idea on how to configure my remote?
[6:00] <RudeViper> lol - not I
[6:00] <RudeViper> now lets test and see if I have sound
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[6:01] <RudeViper> no sound and nothing shows on screen when I play a video
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[6:03] <RudeViper> maybe it's my split -
[6:04] <RudeViper> nobody talking? or is my pi rotting away?
[6:04] <Gumby> mmmmm, rotting pi
[6:05] <RudeViper> crap - thats no fun
[6:05] <RudeViper> I think the problem is the config.txt file - no split showing up
[6:05] <mod_eerf> i use xbmc android remote over wifi
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[6:09] <jmadero> mod_eerf: how? mine keeps saying it can't find xbmc server
[6:09] <jmadero> works fine on my laptop
[6:10] <RudeViper> Has anyone been able to get the latest flash to install on Pi?
[6:10] <mod_eerf> ensure right IP/port and that you're phone is on wifi
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[6:10] <mod_eerf> also remote feature may still work with that message
[6:10] <jmadero> RudeViper: flash is garbage on pi
[6:11] <mod_eerf> although having add'l access to view your files on your android wouldn't
[6:11] <RudeViper> well can't watch youtube and videos won't play either - ugh
[6:11] <jmadero> RudeViper: you do know that Rasperry Pi is basically still in beta version?
[6:11] <jmadero> lol
[6:12] <mod_eerf> you can tail your logs to get an idea of your problem
[6:12] <mod_eerf> cd /home/pi/.xbmc/temp/
[6:12] <RudeViper> yep - but everyone is saying they can do it - I wan't to know how - this thing is advertised to be able to do these things and it won't right now -
[6:12] <mod_eerf> tail -f xbmc.log
[6:12] <RudeViper> I'm not using xbmc
[6:13] <mod_eerf> oh thought you were using raspbmc nevermind
[6:13] <RudeViper> ohh - oopd nevermind
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[6:13] <RudeViper> nope - raspian
[6:13] <RudeViper> I can't get xbmc to work - keep getting a keyboard error - with 3 different keyboard
[6:14] <jmadero> too bad these plugins don't work
[6:14] <jmadero> might still be buying a mini box as a media center :(
[6:14] <jmadero> ESPN plugin works!
[6:14] <jmadero> that's a plus
[6:14] <RudeViper> I know I am doing something wrong - just can't figure out what - there should be some REAL instructions around somewhere
[6:15] <jmadero> that's Linux beta version for you, once "regular users" start getting involved, instructions get better
[6:15] <jmadero> right now devs are focused on.....developing
[6:17] <mod_eerf> keyboard error? hmm
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[6:17] <RudeViper> yeah - won't even install
[6:18] <mod_eerf> did you use the python script method provided?
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[6:18] <Gumby> RudeViper: are you going through a usb hub?
[6:19] <RudeViper> whatever the raspbmc had - no keyboard is plugged into the pi directly
[6:19] <Gumby> is your pi getting enough power?
[6:19] <Gumby> could explain the keeyboard error(s)
[6:19] <Gumby> not enough to power the usb peripherals
[6:20] <Gumby> properly at least
[6:20] <jmadero> RudeViper: I had the issue of low power, had to plug into a better source
[6:20] <RudeViper> seems to be - runs fine otherwise - and anything else plugged into pi is through aself powered hub
[6:20] <Gumby> try going barebones first. see if the errors persist
[6:20] <RudeViper> I am plugged into 5v 1.5 amp cellphone charger
[6:21] <RudeViper> there was nothing but keyboard plugged in all three times
[6:21] <mod_eerf> keyboard plugged directly to the pi?
[6:21] <RudeViper> yes
[6:22] <mod_eerf> and xbmc interface was loaded on screen?
[6:22] <RudeViper> no - it would not even install
[6:22] <mod_eerf> were you connected to internet on the pi?
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[6:22] <RudeViper> yes
[6:23] <RudeViper> I wished it had worked cause that is what I want this thing to do
[6:24] <mod_eerf> did you use the python script method for installing raspbmc to the SD card from your computer beforehand?
[6:24] <Gumby> I'd try another charger/cable if you have one
[6:24] <RudeViper> I have no clue what that is - I followed the directions from raspianbmc ite
[6:25] <RudeViper> site
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[6:26] <Gumby> http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/os-x-linux-installation/ or http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/windows-installation/
[6:26] <mod_eerf> did you use the windows installer for raspbmc or linux/osx ?
[6:26] <RudeViper> windows - don't have mac
[6:27] <jmadero> RudeViper: moving from Windows straight to Raspberry Pi can't be easy....
[6:27] <RudeViper> NO KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[6:27] <RudeViper> lol
[6:27] <jmadero> lol sorry but.....might be good to dual boot on your personal computer
[6:27] <jmadero> to get used to some things
[6:27] <jmadero> and some lingo
[6:27] <jmadero> learning on a beta board is probably not a good plan
[6:28] <jmadero> I've been using Linux exclusively for half a decade
[6:28] <jmadero> and using it dual boot for 10 years
[6:28] <jmadero> and still the Pi is giving me some problems
[6:28] <jmadero> like I just froze it again ;)
[6:29] <RudeViper> I put debian on a virtualbox - just havn't had much of a chance to use it
[6:30] <jmadero> that's why I never recommend VB's
[6:30] <Netham45> So, is the support at Newark paid to be as stupid as possible?
[6:30] <jmadero> people install them and then don't use them
[6:30] <RudeViper> I'm pretty much starting from scratch after having used exclusively windows since it was invented
[6:30] <jmadero> yeah, understandable
[6:30] <jmadero> just learning on a beta machine, be prepared to get angry
[6:30] <jmadero> when I was learning Linux on Fedora 4....I broke a few things
[6:30] <RudeViper> lol
[6:30] <UnaClocker> Newark called me today to appologize.. That was nice.
[6:31] <Netham45> I've been fighting with their support, the guy seems 100% convinced that replacement == return
[6:31] <UnaClocker> I'm not bitter towards them anymore.
[6:31] <Netham45> I want a replacement, I don't want to return it
[6:31] <RudeViper> they really should come up with a course for beginners - cause everything I have seen so far isn't
[6:32] <Netham45> and he just keeps spouting off this crap about how I can only return within 60 days
[6:32] <jmadero> you won't find that with the Pi
[6:32] <jmadero> it's still beta like I said, they are busy fixing bugs
[6:32] <jmadero> you'd find that in Ubuntu or another "beginner" distro
[6:32] <Netham45> RudeViper, the pi isn't really a beginner product
[6:32] <Gumby> RudeViper: they do, its called Ubuntu :)
[6:32] <RudeViper> I mean linux in general
[6:32] <jmadero> ditto to that
[6:32] <jmadero> I used Ubuntu for about 2 years, solid distro
[6:32] <Netham45> If you're looking for easy Linux I'd definately go with ubuntu.
[6:32] <jmadero> even more so for beginners
[6:32] <jmadero> I'm now using Bodhi which is based on ubuntu
[6:32] <RudeViper> really?
[6:32] <jmadero> just a bit more advanced
[6:33] <jmadero> yes, I've transitioned at least 5 people to Ubuntu from Windows
[6:33] <Netham45> I use Bodhi on my tablet, has a nice touch interface.
[6:33] <jmadero> including my wife who hates computers
[6:33] <jmadero> (she now uses Bodhi also)
[6:33] <RudeViper> cause all I have ever heard about ubuntu from a couple of actual techs I know is that it is crap
[6:33] <jmadero> they aren't giving it a fair chance
[6:33] <jmadero> it's made with one thing in mind
[6:33] <jmadero> accessible to the "average" user
[6:33] <Gumby> RudeViper: it depends on your view of what an OS should be
[6:34] <jmadero> those guys would probably swear by Gentoo
[6:34] <jmadero> which to me, sucks
[6:34] <jmadero> I'm good enough to use it, but I refuse
[6:34] <Netham45> As far as Linux goes it's a bit dumbed down. If you need to tweak anything internal it's a pain in the ass
[6:34] <RudeViper> what about being able to play the games they put out like EXA and them
[6:34] <jmadero> spending 200 hours to set it up just isn't worht it
[6:34] <Netham45> It likes to automatically manage and control everything.
[6:34] <jmadero> blame the game developers
[6:34] <jmadero> for using DirectX crap
[6:34] <jmadero> not Linux
[6:35] <RudeViper> Actually the techs swear by redhatlinux distrobutions
[6:35] <jmadero> gah! seriously?
[6:35] <jmadero> maybe for servers
[6:35] <RudeViper> and another one - can't remember the name'
[6:35] <jmadero> they must be from the 80's
[6:35] <jmadero> ;)
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[6:35] <UnaClocker> I ran RedHat??? 13 years ago...
[6:35] <jmadero> okay...early 90's
[6:35] <Xark> RudeViper: CentOs perhaps?
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[6:35] <Gumby> I used to use redhat, then mandrake/mandriva, then pclinuxos
[6:35] <RudeViper> SUSE
[6:35] <Netham45> CentOS or Fedora would be my guess
[6:35] <jmadero> I have heard good things about CentUS
[6:35] <jmadero> OS
[6:36] <jmadero> I ran Suse, didn't work for me
[6:36] <Gumby> Now I use Ubuntu for desktops and debian for servers
[6:36] <jmadero> Gumby: you using Unity?
[6:36] <Gumby> jmadero: yes
[6:36] <jmadero> that's when I ditched Ubuntu and went to Bodhi with E
[6:36] <Netham45> I couldn't stand Unity
[6:36] <jmadero> seriously
[6:36] <jmadero> felt so...childish
[6:36] <Gumby> you get used to it
[6:36] <jmadero> but gnome-shell on top of Ubuntu
[6:36] <jmadero> I liked that
[6:36] <mod_eerf> yea we use red hat 9 on many servers where I work
[6:37] <Netham45> Even on a touch interface Unity feels odd and out of place
[6:37] <mod_eerf> 12+ years old
[6:37] <Gumby> I dont really care about what my shortcut icons look like or how they perform.
[6:37] <Gumby> you have your 6-12 apps you use normally
[6:37] <Gumby> they are easily at hand
[6:37] <Netham45> I hate Unity's default scrollbars
[6:37] <jmadero> Gumby: true, I use a launcher in E for about 10 things
[6:37] <Gumby> others, you can simple do a quick search for
[6:37] <RudeViper> ok - how do you do a dual boot with windows 7 already installed on the computer? I have heard that 7 makes it damn near impossible to do unless you have the other os installed first
[6:37] <jmadero> rarely use anything else, other than a ton of terminal
[6:37] <jmadero> RudeViper: not true
[6:37] <UnaClocker> search? meh.
[6:37] <Netham45> Everything in Unity is so touch friendly, then they threw in those bastard scrollbars.
[6:37] <mod_eerf> Fedora is Red Hat
[6:37] <UnaClocker> categories..
[6:38] <jmadero> you want to install Linux after Windows
[6:38] <Gumby> Netham45: yes, they take a bit of getting used to
[6:38] <jmadero> always
[6:38] <jmadero> Windows screws up the Linux boot loader
[6:38] <jmadero> (another beautiful thing Windows does)
[6:38] <RudeViper> ok
[6:38] <des2> In general it works better when Windows is first since windows installs happily clobber evil competitive OSes
[6:38] <RudeViper> don't go anywhere you two
[6:38] <mod_eerf> dual boot with win7 is actually easy
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[6:39] <Tenchworks> o.O? did I just walk into a a duel?
[6:39] <Netham45> UnaClocker, What did you say to Newark to get them to cooperate?
[6:39] <jmadero> lol I think RudeViper is getting in over his head for this time at night :0
[6:39] <RudeViper> want to run a quick audio test on the Pi and then we need to have a little chat
[6:39] <mod_eerf> http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony
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[6:40] <Netham45> The Pi's PWM audio out is trash, to put it nicely.
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[6:40] <mod_eerf> Just be sure to install Linux after Windows 7 is on your PC
[6:40] <RudeViper> crap - no audi from analog either
[6:40] <jmadero> RudeViper....that's not good
[6:40] <UnaClocker> Netham45: I'd already cancelled my order.. I mostly told them why I cancelled, they explained why I got charged $20 in shipping..
[6:41] <Netham45> Ah
[6:41] <Netham45> I've got a bad Pi here I'm trying to get exchanged
[6:41] <Gumby> I was hoping to use the pi as an audio appliance for a client (they'd be including them along with a subscription service). But these audio issues might make it a no go
[6:41] <Netham45> or at least ask if it's valid for exchange
[6:41] <Netham45> Gumby, try a cheap USB sound card?
[6:41] <RudeViper> Loading that page eerf
[6:41] <Gumby> Netham45: a bit of an issue as the cost of the pi is being eaten already
[6:42] <jmadero> ....I feel bad, mine is running so nicely
[6:42] <Gumby> jmadero: play an mp3 playlist
[6:42] <jmadero> watching big bang theory right now ;)
[6:42] <Gumby> each time a song starts and stops you get a pop like when you first plug in your speakers
[6:42] <Tachyon`> you'll be disappointed with the lack of buzz aldrin
[6:43] <UnaClocker> I have a dead Pi.. I reversed the polarity on it into the GPIO pins.. My mistake.. Live and learn..
[6:43] <RudeViper> I was reading somewhere about adding someone to an audio group or something - and then their audio worked? can you explain that?
[6:43] <mod_eerf> RudeViper, please please backup your data beforehand
[6:43] <Tenchworks> Gumby, yeah if your using the analogue port that seems to happen, gets really annoying >.>
[6:43] <Gumby> RudeViper: that would be in /etc/group
[6:43] <mod_eerf> I always do..and peace of mind is priceless
[6:43] <jmadero> Gumby: remember, brand new Linux user
[6:43] <RudeViper> I don't have crap on here that I am worried about
[6:43] <jmadero> /etc/group means nothing ;)
[6:43] <Gumby> Tenchworks: and unfortunately analog is the only option :(
[6:44] <Gumby> jmadero: no time better to learn than the present
[6:44] <RudeViper> actually I recognize the structure a bit
[6:44] <RudeViper> but that is all
[6:44] <RudeViper> lol
[6:44] <jmadero> RudeViper: that's a good start
[6:44] <Netham45> http://pastebin.com/AmAMGfua My awesome conversation with Newark regarding a bad Pi
[6:44] <Tachyon`> no 12 month warranty legally where you live then
[6:45] <Gumby> Netham45: damn, that is sad
[6:45] <jmadero> RudeViper: looking for instructions now
[6:45] <Tenchworks> Gumby, I keep my volume a bit lower than I'd normally but pretty much resigned to having to get a usb audio thingy. just been too lazy to order one
[6:45] <jmadero> first thing is open a terminal :)
[6:45] <Netham45> Tachyon`, I'm fairly sure the 12 month warranty applies here, they just don't understand what I'm saying.
[6:46] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm, perhaps they're from india, like 3 customer services
[6:46] <Tenchworks> Netham45, OUCH >.>
[6:46] <jmadero> RudeViper: useradd -G {group-name} username
[6:46] <jmadero> fill in the blanks :)
[6:46] <Tenchworks> Netham45, phone them up and have them escalate you to a higher teir CS rep?
[6:47] <Netham45> Tenchworks, Yea, I requested that it be forwarded to someone higher up in the last e-mail I sent.
[6:47] <jmadero> I'll probably be back and forth, wife just got back from dance and I want to spend at least part of my Friday with her :)
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[6:47] <Gumby> I tried to return a a Lenovo laptop due to it failing to power on. the specific models has 6+ forum pages on the Lenovo support site regarding the same problem. Lenovo told me that the laptop was out of its 1yr warranty but they would allow me to purchase the extended warranty and they'd look at the laptop. I responded saying that the claim was made 5 days before the end of the warranty period as per the receipt that was sent with it.
[6:47] <Netham45> jmadero, doesn't he need a -a in there to append to the groups instead of overwriting?
[6:47] <jmadero> Netham45: good point ;)
[6:47] <RudeViper> jmadero, oh no you don't - don't walk away after getting my interest up
[6:47] <Gumby> they responded 5 days later asying that it was out of warranty now and that they could not do anything unless I purchased the extended warranty
[6:47] <RudeViper> lol
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[6:48] <jmadero> RudeViper: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/
[6:48] <jmadero> good start for groups
[6:48] <Netham45> Oh god, Lenovo support
[6:48] <jmadero> audio group is called "audio"
[6:48] <jmadero> no quotes of course
[6:48] <Netham45> I had a secondary PSU I'd purchased for my laptop randomly die
[6:48] <Gumby> I'll never buy another Lenovo product again
[6:48] <mod_eerf> cyberciti.biz is GREAT site
[6:48] <Netham45> I had to spend a good two hours on the phone to just get to the right department to make a claim
[6:48] <RudeViper> is that what I have to do to get audio on my end?
[6:48] <mod_eerf> jmadero, great suggestion
[6:48] <Gumby> Netham45: did they deny your claim even though it was still within its warranty period?
[6:49] <Netham45> No, they fufilled it
[6:49] <jmadero> RudeViper: it's a start ;)
[6:49] <jmadero> mine worked out of box, surprised yours isn't
[6:49] <Netham45> it took like 4 weeks to get the new PSU here, but it did get here.
[6:49] <Netham45> and since I still had my main PSU it was just more of an inconvienience than an issue.
[6:49] <Gumby> I can't believe they just straight up denied to send me an RMA # even though the product was within its warranty period
[6:50] <Netham45> Mine also had a good 8 months left in the warranty
[6:50] <jmadero> RudeViper: I'm still wondering about your power supply
[6:50] <Gumby> hrm, this bodhi pi image is taking a VERY long time to write to the SD card
[6:50] <jmadero> could explain the audio also
[6:50] <RudeViper> it's a 1 am 5 v
[6:51] <jmadero> Gumby: sweet, let me know how it works when it's done ;)
[6:51] <RudeViper> amp
[6:51] <jmadero> RudeViper: doesn't matter
[6:51] <jmadero> could be not consistent
[6:51] <Gumby> RudeViper: how are you outputting audio?
[6:51] <jmadero> mine is also, it sucks
[6:51] <Netham45> I think if your PSU was bad to the point that audio was failing you'd be seeing other issues.
[6:51] <jmadero> off brand, wasn't working right
[6:51] <Gumby> HDMI or analog?
[6:51] <jmadero> Gumby: both
[6:51] <RudeViper> tried both hdmi and analog
[6:51] <jmadero> power supply is actually a real possibility
[6:51] <jmadero> off brand?
[6:51] <Gumby> if HDMI is plugged in, analog wont work by default
[6:51] <Gumby> or at least mine didnt when I tried
[6:51] <RudeViper> psu Samsung
[6:51] <Gumby> try booting with hdmi unplugged
[6:51] <Netham45> In XBMC I had to change it from HDMI to Analog then reboot to get analog out
[6:52] <RudeViper> no video
[6:52] <Tenchworks> ssh into it?
[6:52] <RudeViper> what he say?
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[6:53] <Gumby> boot with hdmp unplugged and speakers or headphones plugged into analog, then after it is booted ssh into it from windows using putty
[6:53] <Gumby> s/hdmp/hdmi
[6:53] <RudeViper> why in hell do I want to put putty on my pi?
[6:53] <UnaClocker> That's so lame that windows doesn't have ssh built in..
[6:54] <mod_eerf> on your windows box
[6:54] <jmadero> lol
[6:54] <RudeViper> lol - I knew what you meant
[6:54] <jmadero> oh funny funny
[6:54] <jmadero> ;)
[6:54] <RudeViper> I just don't know how
[6:54] <PReDiToR> SSH is the single best thing about UNIX.
[6:54] <Tenchworks> UnaClocker, funny how there's still telnet though
[6:54] <RudeViper> Sorry - I just couldn't resist
[6:54] <UnaClocker> heh, yeah..
[6:54] <Tenchworks> could go watch some ascii star wars
[6:54] <PReDiToR> towel.blinkenlights.nl
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[6:55] <Gumby> Tenchworks: indeed
[6:55] <mod_eerf> ha
[6:55] <PReDiToR> I'd like to see that in IPv6
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[6:55] <Gumby> although, the single best thing about linux might just be that it isnt windows
[6:55] <mod_eerf> so you're able to ssh into your pi?
[6:56] <jmadero> Gumby: hahaha that was smooth
[6:56] <PReDiToR> OSX isn't Windows, that's its claim to fame
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[6:56] <jmadero> another good point
[6:56] <Tenchworks> haha
[6:56] <Gumby> PReDiToR: I dont have access to / on that server
[6:56] <PReDiToR> OMG, my Mac has a dirty dirty command line? Eww. Get it off!
[6:56] <Tachyon`> heh
[6:57] <UnaClocker> Yeah, and you can finally pull up a full screen terminal in OSX??? :)
[6:57] <UnaClocker> Hide the GUI...
[6:57] <RudeViper> you guys going to be around tomorrow evening?
[6:57] <RudeViper> I don't know how
[6:57] <RudeViper> plus I am talking to you on it
[6:57] <Tachyon`> you're lucky your mac HAS a command line
[6:57] <Tachyon`> they didn't until OSX
[6:57] <RudeViper> thats why I am asking about tomorrow evening - I can get the laptop in here and run mirc and work on this without all the struggling and stuff
[6:58] <RudeViper> I can remember using Mac's as boat anchors - and I am not joking
[6:58] <Gumby> weird, I just burped and it tasted like rye and coke
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[6:58] <RudeViper> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - what are you drinking Gumby?
[6:58] <PReDiToR> I've never played with a Mac. I'm toying with the idea, but I'm not sure I can get another mortgage on my house ...
[6:58] <UnaClocker> Those old classics are becoming collectors items.. If I had one, I'd stick a Pi in it..
[6:58] <Tachyon`> heh
[6:59] <Gumby> RudeViper: been slamming rye and cokes all night. the weird thing is I dont usually burp
[6:59] <Gumby> lol, j/k
[6:59] <Tachyon`> well, you can run OSX on most modern laptops these days
[6:59] <Tachyon`> just not in a way that pleases apple
[6:59] <Gumby> havent had a drop to drink
[6:59] <RudeViper> ROFLMAO
[6:59] <PReDiToR> I'll ask you ALL about that at the jam =)
[6:59] <Tachyon`> ahh ;p
[6:59] <Jungle-Boogie> PReDiToR, just go to frys and max out the terminal and rm -rf / and walk away to see who freaks out
[6:59] <RudeViper> Gumby, you going to be on tomorrow evening?
[7:00] <jmadero> I wish XBMC supported commercials:(
[7:00] <mod_eerf> i know a guy that does the hackintosh thing
[7:00] <Gumby> RudeViper: most likely
[7:00] <PReDiToR> Jungle-Boogie: We don't have a Fry's this side of the pond, mate. I could go to PC World and do it though.
[7:00] <RudeViper> OH MY GOD!
[7:00] <UnaClocker> I have 4 hackintoshes.. Every PC in my house..
[7:00] <Jungle-Boogie> PReDiToR, for sure!
[7:00] <jmadero> now I have to play on laptop at same time just so someone makes some money off me watching ;)
[7:00] <RudeViper> I wish I could watch that
[7:00] <PReDiToR> They used to use the store number as the screensaver password. I wonder if they still do?
[7:01] <Jungle-Boogie> i always thought that's what it would be
[7:01] <Jungle-Boogie> something easy that everyone knows
[7:01] <Tachyon`> anyone can do the hackingtosh thing, how hard is it to put a CD in, select modules for your cpu/audio/network and sit looking at it while it installs, lol
[7:01] <mod_eerf> ha
[7:01] <PReDiToR> Shared secret. Except that Alice,Bob, tom Dick and Harry know the secret.
[7:01] <Jungle-Boogie> http://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/
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[7:01] <UnaClocker> Hackintoshing hasn't used optical media in a long time.
[7:01] <PReDiToR> OMG, like it's that easy =/
[7:02] <Tachyon`> the way you do it maybe
[7:02] <RudeViper> how about opening someones cd drive from 1500 miles away
[7:02] <Tachyon`> PReDiToR, yes
[7:02] <Tachyon`> lol
[7:02] <RudeViper> old joke I know - but
[7:02] <Tachyon`> I'll bring you a DVD
[7:02] <Jungle-Boogie> PReDiToR, Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.
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[7:02] <PReDiToR> SSH user@host.tld "sudo eject"
[7:02] <UnaClocker> Unless you have an AMD CPU.. Then hackintoshing is a PITA and not worth living.
[7:02] <Gumby> PReDiToR: I prefer dmesg > /dev/dsp
[7:02] <RudeViper> send someone a "movie" and when they run it the screen shows "Formating C:"
[7:03] <Jungle-Boogie> check out the subreddit for hackintosh builds
[7:04] <Gumby> RudeViper: take a screenshot of their desktop, delete all their desktop shortcuts, hide the taskbar, then use the image you made of their desktop as their background.
[7:04] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/macmini9.jpg My computer, 3 years ago..
[7:04] <PReDiToR> Clive Barker's Weaveworld - One, Two, then the multitude.
[7:04] <Tachyon`> oh, I have that book
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[7:04] <RudeViper> Damn - never tried that but it would be funny as hell
[7:04] <Tachyon`> along with Cabal which I'm sure turned into Nightbreed, heh
[7:04] <PReDiToR> Yes, it did
[7:05] <PReDiToR> So Dells are useful for something?
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[7:05] <Tachyon`> ?
[7:05] <PReDiToR> http://www.neonsquirt.com/macmini9.jpg
[7:05] <RudeViper> yep - boat anchors and body weights
[7:05] <PReDiToR> UnaClocker: 's PC
[7:05] <Tachyon`> ah, all sorts of machines
[7:05] <UnaClocker> hehe, that thing was so bulletproof.. Was a great machine till I got my Air..
[7:06] <Tachyon`> most recently a Toshiba A100 and A300 here
[7:06] <Gumby> RudeViper: yeah its a good one. Especially when they try to reboot multiple times to fix the "problem"
[7:06] <RudeViper> need to get a film of that one
[7:06] <Tachyon`> but you can just build a full size mac
[7:06] <RudeViper> HOLY crap - that would go viral
[7:06] <Tachyon`> if you pick the hardware carefully
[7:06] <Tachyon`> but for a fraction of the cost
[7:06] <Tachyon`> they actually sued some company for doing exactly that
[7:06] <Gumby> OSX doesnt like my wifi card :(
[7:07] <Tachyon`> as there are restrictions on what hardware you're allowed to run your legally purchased copy of OS:X on
[7:07] <PReDiToR> RudeViper: That's OK WiFi is insecure anyhow.
[7:07] <Tachyon`> although after teh whole iOS dev debacle that's hardly surprisng
[7:07] <des2> Slap an Apple log on it and pretend you paid double.
[7:07] <RudeViper> lol
[7:07] <PReDiToR> Oops. Gumby, not RudeViper
[7:07] <Gumby> yeah, thats right. I'm gumby damnit!
[7:07] <PReDiToR> Is that Mr Gumby?
[7:08] <RudeViper> Hey - they have a Windows Installer for Ubuntu
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[7:08] <PReDiToR> Wubi?
[7:09] <mod_eerf> psystar in florida was sued by apple long ago for that, yea
[7:09] <RudeViper> So what should I get - the installer or download the dvd?
[7:09] <RudeViper> You do know there is a hurricane out there right now right?
[7:09] <PReDiToR> It was snowing here.
[7:10] <UnaClocker> Weather is lovely here.
[7:10] <RudeViper> I don't think I would have known about it but the damned thing keeps rocking my trailer and disturbing my train of thought
[7:10] <mod_eerf> i dunno...the whole idea of building a computer for OSX and having Apple potentially cause issues with your programs calling home...i say go linux
[7:10] <PReDiToR> I wish I was in Arizona.
[7:10] <des2> Get the Windows Installer....
[7:10] <mod_eerf> but thas just me
[7:10] <RudeViper> You guys know both Apple and Windows have been doing that for years right?
[7:10] <PReDiToR> Not just any old Linux. If you're gonna do it, do it properly. Gentoo!
[7:11] <RudeViper> Ubuntu - for the n00bs\
[7:11] <Tachyon`> that's a funny way of spelling debian
[7:11] <PReDiToR> Starter Linux.
[7:11] <mod_eerf> i use slackware
[7:11] <des2> mod_eerf has slack.
[7:11] <mod_eerf> i am a slacker
[7:11] <RudeViper> unfortunately - I use Windows 7
[7:11] <UnaClocker> There's a great app for OSX called Little Snitch. It's a bit annoying, because EVERY app and EVERY call out on the internet pops up and asks for your permission.. But it definitely stops calls home.
[7:11] <PReDiToR> We were all noobs once, we weren't lucky enough to have our hands held tightly by Mark Shuttleworth. We had to do it the hard way.
[7:12] <Tachyon`> yeah, on machines with 1K of ram in some cases, lol
[7:12] <des2> We call that an outbound Firewall UnaClocker...
[7:12] <UnaClocker> With a handy GUI.
[7:12] <UnaClocker> :)
[7:12] <Tachyon`> although I built a replica Altair last year, 1K seems generous in comparison with what that came with
[7:12] <PReDiToR> Windows firewalls used to do that. These days you can't find one that bugs you every ten seconds =(
[7:13] <mod_eerf> i used little snitch (briefly) on my macbook pro
[7:13] <UnaClocker> It's nice, which program, what URL, what port and service, yes, no, always, never...
[7:13] <mod_eerf> that was damn annoying..but it works
[7:14] <mod_eerf> i recorded a lot with Logic Pro, so I dual boot Slackware/OSx
[7:14] <PReDiToR> I have that kind of thing on my jailbroken (4.3.3) iPhone4.
[7:14] <RudeViper> Gumby, ok should I get the newest release that will only be supported for the next two years
[7:14] <mod_eerf> but I haven't used the OSX partition for about a year
[7:14] <UnaClocker> Once you get the normal apps set to always, it calms down and is just useful.. But that first week.. Holy crap..
[7:14] <des2> People playing with the new generation of microcontrollers like the MSP430 series often have to deal with such Ram limitations.
[7:14] <RudeViper> Gumby, or should I get the slightly older one that will be supported for 5 years?
[7:14] <RudeViper> Damn that doesn't make much sense does it
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[7:14] <Tachyon`> you bought an iphone 4, heh
[7:14] <PReDiToR> ??250
[7:15] <des2> Do you really want to be using the same OS for 5 years ?
[7:15] <Gumby> RudeViper: it doesnt matter really.
[7:15] <RudeViper> nope
[7:15] <Gumby> RudeViper: grab the newest, it is easy to upgrade later should you want to
[7:15] <Tachyon`> the only idevice here is a second gen ipod touch I was given yesterday (which needs a new trouchscreen assembly but that's less than a tenner now)
[7:15] <UnaClocker> Get Linux Mint MATE edition.. It's like Ubuntu, but with a good old GUI..
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[7:16] <Tachyon`> I'd never develop for iDevices though, the agreement is far too restrictive and the peer review means your app you've spent months on can be rejected for no good reason with little recourse
[7:16] <UnaClocker> I've got 3 iTouch4's, 3 AppleTV2's, 2 iPhone4's, 2 MacBook Air's (a 13 and an 11)..
[7:16] <UnaClocker> Oh, and an iPad1.
[7:17] <RudeViper> I have an Itouch but the screen is busted - I sent for parts and they sent the wrong ones - and then disappeared - WTH is with people these days
[7:17] <PReDiToR> Can I comme and root through your "old tech that I haven't thrown away yet" boxes please?
[7:17] <Tachyon`> mine?
[7:17] <PReDiToR> UnaClocker: 's
[7:17] <Tachyon`> was going to say, that might have taken some time, lol
[7:17] <RudeViper> 10 or 20 linux boxes there I bet
[7:17] <UnaClocker> PReDiToR: hehe, I sold the iTouch2's that my kids upgraded from to co-workers, and gave away my 3 iPhone2G's when I got the iPhone4's...
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[7:18] <UnaClocker> I kept killing my first iPhone, so I had to have a spare, hence having 3..
[7:18] <PReDiToR> I finally threw away my 486, but I can't let go of this Toshiba Libretto P1/75
[7:18] <UnaClocker> Mmm, I miss my P1/120 laptop.. I overclocked it to 133 when I found dipswitches on the motherboard..
[7:19] <PReDiToR> I miss my Pentium Pro.
[7:19] <UnaClocker> Epic chips..
[7:19] <PReDiToR> Highly underappreciated.
[7:19] <UnaClocker> Peak of Intel's engineering skills.
[7:20] <Tachyon`> what was underappreciated were the archimedes machines.. still, ARM seems to be taking over the world now and thanks to the pi there are now far more risc os capable machines available than were ever made by Acorn
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[7:22] <UnaClocker> My new 512mb Pi doesn't seem to miss key presses like my old Pi does.. Even booting off the same SD card/install..
[7:22] <PReDiToR> Our school didn't know what to do with their computers. The only clue they had was the BBC and even then it was just a bit of BASIC.
[7:22] <PReDiToR> UnaClocker: Better power/USB?
[7:22] <PReDiToR> Rev 2 board
[7:22] <des2> Did your old PI have USB polyfuses ?
[7:23] <UnaClocker> Nope, litterally swapped the board, nothing else changed.
[7:23] <Tachyon`> oh heh, still got a BBC B setup here (and an A3020 actually which I setup again recently so I can learn ARM assembly)
[7:23] <UnaClocker> Nope, I jumpered them.
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[7:24] <UnaClocker> 4amps of 5v into the GPIO pins.. No fuses.. You'd think the keyboard would work.. ;)
[7:24] <Tachyon`> not that I need the A3020 now, I didn't expect Pi RISC OS to be this usable so quickly
[7:24] <Tachyon`> been waiting more than a year just for keyboard/mouse support on the pandora port
[7:25] <RudeViper> looks like I do have a problem with the keyboard - gonna have to dig out some other ones tomorrow to test out
[7:25] <Tachyon`> might just be drawing too much current
[7:26] <RudeViper> it keeps sending ---------- untill I hit a different key
[7:26] <Tachyon`> I wouldn't suggest linking out the polyfuse next to the power input as that would void your warranty
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[7:26] <Tachyon`> although it may well also solve your problem
[7:26] <RudeViper> guess I will have to use the old ps2 with my usb adapter
[7:27] <Tachyon`> ah yes, so it has to power a keyboard /and/ a converter, I'm sure that'll make things much better -.-
[7:27] <UnaClocker> Tachyon`: I void warranties??? http://i.imgur.com/rEQIWh.jpg
[7:28] <RudeViper> won't know till I dig them all out and take a look - I might have a wireless one - think that will work without any drivers - lol
[7:28] <Tachyon`> ah lol, I menat the one near the power input though that restricts the input to 750mA
[7:29] <UnaClocker> Tachyon`: https://twitter.com/UnaClocker/status/257544396176752640/photo/1/large Don't reverse the polarity into the GPIO pins.
[7:29] <Tachyon`> I dunno what it'll actually deal with but I've had 2A through there with no ill effects
[7:29] <Tachyon`> oh that's not looking good
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[7:30] <UnaClocker> Yeah, the magic smoke got out. They use a surprisingly small amount..
[7:30] <Tachyon`> rofl
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[7:31] <des2> UnaClocker found the hidden C/GPU
[7:31] <bbond007> when i boot my rpi i get key repeats and sticking keys until i turn off and back on my usb hub. anyone know a fix for that?
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[7:32] <UnaClocker> des2: Makes me want to attempt a ram upgrade on one of my other Pi..
[7:32] <RudeViper> I finally got it to work - after 3 days of trying
[7:32] <shiftplusone> bbond007, you can void your warranty by shorting out the polyfuses or you can try a different keyboard... one that doesn't draw much current.
[7:32] <UnaClocker> bbond007: SSH into it..
[7:33] <UnaClocker> Generally, try a different keyboard. Don't use an unpowered hub, don't use a wireless keyboard.
[7:33] <bbond007> shiftplusone, even though i have the KB plugged into the hub(16-port)
[7:33] <UnaClocker> The wireless keyboard dongle draws more power than a standard keyboard..
[7:34] <shiftplusone> bbond007, the older pi has a silly design when it comes to usb power and a a 16 port usb hub is bound to be low quality.
[7:34] <Tachyon`> 16 port, christ, it must have 5 chips in it
[7:34] <UnaClocker> Yeah, true that.. 16 port would be 4 or 5 hubs daisychained interally..
[7:35] <Tachyon`> 5 since each one takes a port
[7:35] <shiftplusone> yup and pi already huas a built in hub
[7:35] <Tachyon`> except the first
[7:35] <bbond007> this is the 512, and that hub was from think geek and it looks pretty solid...
[7:35] <UnaClocker> hehe, 6 hubs later, yeah.. Plug the keyboard directly into the Pi.
[7:35] <shiftplusone> UnaClocker, +1
[7:36] <UnaClocker> Even high quality, that's a lot of lag relaying that signal through that many hubs.
[7:36] <shiftplusone> so the 512 model doesn't havy any polyfuses on the usb port?
[7:36] <bbond007> gotcha, which is the other thing backlit KB, so can't really plug it directly in, maybe i'm best off just doing the reset :)
[7:36] <Tachyon`> no, nor does my 256
[7:36] <Tachyon`> it has 0 ohm SMD resistors instead
[7:36] <des2> Right shiftplusone
[7:36] <shiftplusone> good
[7:37] <UnaClocker> The 512 model has a mounting hole instead of polyfuses.
[7:37] <UnaClocker> Figures they'd add mounting holes the day after I submitted my shield to the fab..
[7:37] <shiftplusone> is there any current limiting other than what the traces and components are capable of?\
[7:37] <Tachyon`> yes, the polyfuse?
[7:38] <UnaClocker> Still has the input polyfuse.
[7:38] <des2> The input USB power still has a polyfuse.
[7:38] <shiftplusone> still 700ma?
[7:38] <des2> Other than that, no.
[7:38] <Tachyon`> 750.
[7:38] <UnaClocker> If you're powering through that jack.. I'm not..
[7:38] <shiftplusone> ah right
[7:38] <des2> 700 design 1.1A trip.
[7:38] <Tachyon`> there's no real boundary, the resistance increases as you exceed 750
[7:39] <Gumby> hrm, bodhilinux on the pi doesn't much like me futzing with alsa when media is playing. and no matter what alsa is set to, it always starts playing (using mpg123) at the same volume
[7:40] <shiftplusone> do you think the traces can handle 2 500mA usb devices along with whatever the pi needs at full load if you short out the input fuse?
[7:40] <UnaClocker> Yes
[7:40] <Gumby> as soon as I change the volume the audio gets all crackly and distorted
[7:40] <UnaClocker> I feed 4amps into my GPIO pins, and don't power my 7 port hub.. ;)
[7:41] <des2> !
[7:41] <UnaClocker> hehehe, yeah, I void warranties.
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[7:41] <PReDiToR> Wouldn't it be better to put a diode inline with a wire from the +5 of the microUSB port to the USB +5?
[7:41] <shiftplusone> Void warranties? http://goo.gl/BM3P7
[7:41] <UnaClocker> diodes have voltage drops.
[7:42] <des2> UnaClocker isn't happy until chips desolder themselves.
[7:42] <PReDiToR> Not as much as routing the power through the whole board, I imagine
[7:42] <UnaClocker> hehehehe
[7:42] <bbond007> why so worried about void warranty on a $35 device?
[7:42] <UnaClocker> bbond007: EXACTLY.
[7:42] <UnaClocker> My idea of learning with my Pi is just slightly different than they had intended.
[7:43] <shiftplusone> bbond007, because it's a disclaimer worth giving so that people don't go complaining to the foundation that we broke their pi.
[7:43] <PReDiToR> Worried about warranty? Why not Zoidbeg? (\/) (\/)
[7:43] <UnaClocker> hehe, PiSmoker would be a good nick..
[7:43] <bbond007> i would like to hook the pi to an amiga 1200 clockport somehow.
[7:44] <locutox> amiga:D
[7:44] <bbond007> or pcmcia :)
[7:44] <des2> ok who let an amiga fanatic in ?
[7:44] <PReDiToR> The
[7:44] <Tachyon`> hrm, clockport
[7:44] <UnaClocker> I loved my Amiga 500..
[7:45] * Tachyon` is fairly happy with his 1200
[7:45] <locutox> i'm more a c64 person but i have an a500
[7:45] <PReDiToR> No no no. Old tat.
[7:45] <PReDiToR> Emulate.
[7:45] <Tachyon`> ugh
[7:45] <PReDiToR> Recycle.
[7:45] <bbond007> Tachyon`, do you have indivision aga mk2?
[7:45] <Tachyon`> I'll pretend I didn't see that
[7:45] <Tachyon`> bbond007, no, unfortunately
[7:45] <Tachyon`> pondering one
[7:45] <locutox> amiga is easy to emulate
[7:46] <UnaClocker> Good old 68k...
[7:46] <Tachyon`> yeah right, you try getting any modern amiga emulator to run faster than an arthritic snail on the pi
[7:46] <Tachyon`> and I think the older UAEs contain intel code so they're out too
[7:46] <PReDiToR> Technically, snails can't suffer from arthritis. No bones, you see.
[7:46] <Gumby> lmao
[7:47] <UnaClocker> I was so looking forward to building a Mame cabinet with a tiny Pi running the whole show.. Maybe now with the GPU "driver" release..
[7:47] <bbond007> Tachyon`, its great... if you are lucky enough to have a monitor that can sync to it on hdmi, (until the proper firmware is done) its a real treat
[7:47] <Tachyon`> I have a multisync
[7:47] <Tachyon`> so probably
[7:47] <Tachyon`> no HDMI but it does work with most things
[7:47] <locutox> it would be nice if someone could write a decent crt emulator for the video
[7:48] <bbond007> yeah, then you'd be good, but i read work on the firmware has been resumed..
[7:48] <UnaClocker> Someone should bitbang a VGA monitor off the GPIO pins..
[7:48] <locutox> i want my pal leakage effects!
[7:48] <Tachyon`> ...
[7:48] <PReDiToR> UnaClocker: +1
[7:48] <Tachyon`> you'd only get 8 colours
[7:48] <Tachyon`> like the old BBC displays
[7:48] <PReDiToR> How many colours do you need for SSH?
[7:48] <Tachyon`> 16
[7:48] <des2> 2
[7:49] <PReDiToR> des2: wins a cigar
[7:49] <Tachyon`> no he doesn't, even vt52 needs 3
[7:49] <Gumby> define "need"
[7:49] <Tachyon`> one for bold
[7:49] <PReDiToR> "needs" is a strong word
[7:49] <bbond007> i never seen a bbc but i can't wait to try riscos, but i have just not seen how to dl it yet.
[7:49] <Tachyon`> it's on the foundations site?
[7:49] <Tachyon`> under downloads?
[7:50] <bbond007> i don't think its on there yet, but i'll check again..
[7:50] <des2> I only need bold for 'man' and half the time that doesn't work anyway
[7:51] <UnaClocker> I used to play with one of these and a really old CP/M machine: http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/adm3a.jpg I wish I could find one, I'd make an adapter to plug it into the Pi's serial port..
[7:51] <Tachyon`> if you really want to generate VGA from the pi, it'd be better to add a parallax propeller to some GPIO and have that generate the terminal
[7:51] <UnaClocker> dumb terminal..
[7:51] <PReDiToR> http://www.pilearn.com/Pages/Page1001.html
[7:52] <PReDiToR> RISC OS on the RasPi
[7:52] <bbond007> does the riscos have a demo scene like amiga?
[7:52] <Tachyon`> ahh, that tutorial is from july
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[7:53] <Tachyon`> the risc os open site is worth checking for updates
[7:53] <bbond007> yeah, i think Riscos5_disto.zip link is no longer good...
[7:53] <UnaClocker> hehe, remember BeOS...
[7:53] <des2> Oh no, someone said the B word....
[7:53] <bbond007> i bought beos 4.5 then it became free
[7:54] <UnaClocker> Then it rolled over and died. ;)
[7:54] <bbond007> yeah
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[7:54] <bbond007> i remember using all these broken irc clients then i started writing a broken one of my own
[7:54] <PReDiToR> Minix on the RasPi, then we await the second coming of the Linus.
[7:54] * [SLB] is now known as [SLB]`
[7:54] <bbond007> for beos i mean
[7:55] <UnaClocker> The Steve Jobs biography said they had bet the farm on selling themselves to Apple, and when Steve came back along with NeXT, they were up a river without a paddle.
[7:55] <PReDiToR> Steve who?
[7:55] <PReDiToR> <trollface.jpg>
[7:55] <Tachyon`> ah, minix, heh, that's more or less turned into linux now
[7:55] <UnaClocker> ;)
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[7:56] * Tachyon` mumbles again that steve jobs is almost canonised and dennis ritchie gets barely a mention
[7:56] <des2> Minix - could have been linux except for want of $$$$
[7:56] <bbond007> yeah, kind of a shame, osx is ok now i guess, but it was a huge pig for a long time and beos was fast and seemed much more efficient
[7:56] <UnaClocker> Tachyon`: Without Dennis Ritchie, there'd be no OSX...
[7:57] <Tachyon`> of this I'm very aware -.-
[7:57] <PReDiToR> Mr Ritchie's son isn't doing much for the family name. I mean, that terrible Eastenders thing is awful.
[7:57] <Tachyon`> eh?
[7:57] <Tachyon`> I don't watch eastenders
[7:57] <Tachyon`> or any broadcast TV actually
[7:57] <UnaClocker> He is to steve jobs like god is to jesus.. or something..
[7:57] <PReDiToR> Me either. But you're aware that Shane Ritchie is an actor, right?
[7:57] <Tachyon`> I wasn't but I am now, lol
[7:57] <PReDiToR> And no relation to Dennis, I'm fairly sure.
[7:57] <Tachyon`> ahh
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[7:58] <Tachyon`> have been watching the new red dwarf, don't think it's as good as the old ones (particularly seasons 1-4)
[7:58] <PReDiToR> Has anyone read "Just for fun"?
[7:59] <Gumby> nope, I'm illiterate
[7:59] <des2> Is that like 'Just for Laughs' ?
[7:59] <PReDiToR> Linus Torvald's biog. Funny in places, explains how he accidentally develpoed Linux.
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[8:00] <Tachyon`> did you ever see that email exchange between him and a CS professor? "You would not get a high mark for such a design if you were my student" etc.?
[8:00] <Tachyon`> might have been usenet actually
[8:01] <PReDiToR> Sounds like the bit right before Linus would say "up yours"
[8:01] <bbond007> Tachyon`, yeah the minux guy
[8:01] <PReDiToR> Andrew Tanenbaum
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[8:02] <des2> Once again in the real world a Computer Scientist loses to reality.
[8:03] <PReDiToR> Those who can, sue.
[8:05] <Tachyon`> ah yes, that's him
[8:05] <Tachyon`> did find the message but google have made an even bigger mess of groups and gave up trying to find a usable link
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[8:15] <rymate1234> so guys
[8:15] <DeliriumTremens> so
[8:15] <rymate1234> Plugged my Pi into composite
[8:15] <rymate1234> why is it 4:3 :(
[8:16] <des2> Because ?
[8:16] <des2> What format is your monitor ?
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[8:16] <des2> 4:3 is the historical composite monitor format.
[8:16] <rymate1234> its a 16:9 TV
[8:16] <des2> You can specift other formats in the config.
[8:17] <rymate1234> how? :D
[8:17] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[8:18] <des2> sdtv_aspect=1 4:3
[8:18] <des2> sdtv_aspect=2 14:9
[8:18] <des2> sdtv_aspect=3 16:9
[8:18] <des2> Better question, why are you using composit on a modern TV ?
[8:19] <rymate1234> cuz this modern TV has no hdmi :(
[8:19] <des2> What inputs does it have ?
[8:19] <rymate1234> idk
[8:20] <rymate1234> all I know is that it has composite and scart
[8:20] <rymate1234> I think it also has a PC input
[8:20] <des2> Are you French ?
[8:21] <rymate1234> Nope, why do you ask?
[8:21] <bbond007> rymate1234, they make converter to go from the rpi hdmi to vga
[8:21] <rymate1234> oh?
[8:21] <des2> Cause SCART originated in France.
[8:21] <rymate1234> How much are they?
[8:22] <bbond007> $25 usd, i'm looking up the link
[8:22] <locutox> scart, yuck my old tv used to have one of those
[8:22] <des2> SCART is also analog.
[8:22] <des2> So must not be a recent TV
[8:22] <rymate1234> des2, It's a refurbushed old widescreen TV. Its even slightly flat!
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[8:23] <des2> heh.
[8:26] <bbond007> rymate1234, http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14407
[8:26] <PReDiToR> All TVs in the UK have SCART. Several usually. Most stuff runs on it here.
[8:27] <Tachyon`> yeah, it seems that's just not used in america at all
[8:27] * rymate1234 lives in the UK
[8:27] <Tachyon`> which given NTSC you'd think they'd be looking for any excuse to add a proper RGB input
[8:27] <PReDiToR> They use NTSC, they don't care what their TV looks like, just so long as you don't have to watch a programme for more than three minutes without an advert lol
[8:28] <Tachyon`> I often wonder why sky/cable have adverts
[8:28] <Tachyon`> when you're charged for the damn channels
[8:29] <PReDiToR> To make Murdoch richer.
[8:29] <PReDiToR> And Branson
[8:29] <rymate1234> I actually like adverts
[8:29] <Tachyon`> they had a spat in about 2007 and there was no sky channels on cable for over a year
[8:29] <PReDiToR> Stockholm Syndrome
[8:29] <rymate1234> I use them as toilet breaks
[8:29] <Tachyon`> they couldn't reach agreement on the fees
[8:29] <rymate1234> :>
[8:30] <PReDiToR> The most used button on my remote is the mute.
[8:30] <Tachyon`> that's the point at which I told cable to stick it and stopped wtaching broadcast at all, no need now, why watch somethign where I have to be there at a specific time when I can just download it earlier and watch it at my convenience, heh
[8:30] <PReDiToR> I hate visiting houses where the TV is on and you're trying to talk to the people who live there.
[8:30] <Tachyon`> argh
[8:31] <Tachyon`> yes, and usually on some dire load of exploitative crap like x-factor
[8:31] <PReDiToR> I usually ask them to make me a coffee and turn the TV off while they're out of the room.
[8:31] <PReDiToR> I've even been known to hide the remote.
[8:31] <Tachyon`> lol
[8:31] <PReDiToR> "Dunno mate, it just turned off"
[8:31] <Tachyon`> well it's bloody ignorant leaving a tv on while visitors are present
[8:32] <PReDiToR> You old fashined person, you
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[8:32] <PReDiToR> http://virtualteachingassistant.com/blog/mind-shift/partial-attention-disorder/
[8:33] <Tachyon`> did get a proper HD TV for 50 quid mind the other week (37")
[8:33] <Tachyon`> was 'dead'
[8:33] <Tachyon`> so gave him that for it then replaced the two popped caps in the inverter board
[8:33] <PReDiToR> Asda has a Polaroid 22" for ??89.99
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[8:33] <shiftplusone> http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-doesnt-own-a-tel,429/
[8:34] <Tachyon`> not bad but I can just wait for these things to appear at the shop then get them for bugger all and fix them
[8:34] <Tachyon`> speaking of which, don't suppose you want to buy an i3 laptop
[8:35] <PReDiToR> I have an i5
[8:35] <Tachyon`> ah right, lol
[8:35] <PReDiToR> But you'll see that in a few weeks when you Hackintosh it <grin>
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[8:39] <Tachyon`> make sure you back it up first, hackos has been known to convert partition schemes to GUID without asking before whch can be a problem for windows (althouh linux is fine with it)
[8:40] <PReDiToR> I should have made this GPT to start with.
[8:41] <Tachyon`> microsoft kill grub every time, macos kills your partition table
[8:41] <Tachyon`> well actually it just overwrites the MBR (windows) but still, heh
[8:41] <Tachyon`> you'd think it'd check for non-standard executable boot code and leave it if it's foind
[8:42] <PReDiToR> You mean like "peaceful coexistance" Species 8472 and the Borg aren't exactly known for that, are they?
[8:43] <Tachyon`> er, not really
[8:43] <PReDiToR> existence. Oops.
[8:43] <Tachyon`> species 8472 are called the undine now
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[8:43] <Tachyon`> well, assuming STO is canonical which it might not be
[8:43] <PReDiToR> Is that something from a cartoon, or that Enterprise rubbish?
[8:43] <PReDiToR> Oh, a game.
[8:43] <Tachyon`> Star Trek online, yes
[8:43] <Tachyon`> which I unwisely bought the collectors edition of
[8:44] <PReDiToR> I'd guess at non-canon
[8:44] <Tachyon`> yeah, seems the peacemaking in voyager didn't go so well after all
[8:44] <Tachyon`> ds9 in ST:O is a joke too
[8:44] <Tachyon`> you can't even enter the habitat ring
[8:44] <Tachyon`> and nothing is where it should be
[8:45] <PReDiToR> DS9 was too soapy.
[8:45] <Tachyon`> you ever seen the voyager ep where the ship gets rearranged?
[8:45] <Tachyon`> pah, DS9 was the best trek of the lot
[8:45] <Tachyon`> at least they bothered with story arcs and character development
[8:45] <Tachyon`> instead of trying to remake TOS again
[8:45] <PReDiToR> There were some good arcs, good characters and excellent eps. But it was too soapy.
[8:45] <Tachyon`> I'd still take B5 over any trek though
[8:46] <PReDiToR> I grabbed 50GB of that. It took ages to watch. But yeah, good.
[8:46] <Tachyon`> well, season 1-4, season 5 was bit weak
[8:46] <Tachyon`> but that was made as an afterthought
[8:46] <Tachyon`> as JMS thought it was being cancelled at the end of s4
[8:46] <Tachyon`> then it wasn't after all
[8:46] <PReDiToR> Oh noes, we're cancelled! We need to tie up all the loose ends.
[8:47] <Tachyon`> so the whole battle for earth taht was supposed to take teh whole of S5
[8:47] <Tachyon`> was compressed into the second half of S4
[8:47] <Tachyon`> so we got Byron etc., heh
[8:48] <Tachyon`> mind you, we were supposed to get 5 seasons of crusade and got only half a season
[8:48] <Tachyon`> with massive network interference to boot
[8:48] <PReDiToR> That wasn't special.
[8:48] <Tachyon`> ?
[8:48] <PReDiToR> There was nothing outstanding about Crusade
[8:48] <Tachyon`> how do you know, only a tenth of the story was actually seen, heh
[8:49] <Tachyon`> but I think it would have been good had it been finished and JMS not been overruled all the time
[8:49] <PReDiToR> It was episodic and you just knew that either Gaelen or the stealing woman were going to fight the Balrog every time.
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[8:50] <Tachyon`> balrog? have you strayed into lord of the rings?
[8:50] <Tachyon`> but yeah, I do see your point there
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[8:50] <Tachyon`> heh, no good scifi being made atm (falling skies is okay but 10eps/year does not a series make)
[8:50] <knoppies> hello Pickley
[8:50] <Pickley> Hey
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[8:51] <Tachyon`> they were going to make a series based on the rangers
[8:51] <Tachyon`> but only a pilot was made (and released as a film)
[8:52] <PReDiToR> I'm going to go blow up some tanks in World of Tanks. BBL.
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[8:53] <Gumby> damn, I just can't win with these audio issues. raspian wheezy has popping issues at the beginning and end of each track and the volume control in bohdhi seems severely busted. perhaps arch would be better
[8:55] <shiftplusone> You're going to have these issues until you switch to hdmi
[8:55] <Gumby> not an option unfortunately
[8:56] <Gumby> so is it simply a hardware issue then?
[8:56] <Tachyon`> it's a driver issue
[8:56] <Gumby> because the issues differ between OS
[8:56] <shiftplusone> yeah, driver issue, not hardware
[8:57] <Gumby> well that is no good
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[8:57] <Gumby> I guess this project may be put on hold then
[8:58] <Tachyon`> you might have some success with a cheap USB sound card?
[8:58] <rymate1234> huh?
[8:58] <Tachyon`> assuming any are supported
[8:58] <Tachyon`> which they might not be, heh
[8:58] <rymate1234> what's the issue with the 3.5mm sound jack?
[8:58] <rymate1234> seems fine for me
[8:59] <shiftplusone> rymate1234, do you use it to listen to music?
[8:59] <Gumby> Tachyon`: this project is basically a subscription service in which the hardware will be given away for free
[8:59] <Gumby> so adding any more costs is an issue
[8:59] <Tachyon`> hrm, are you putting any money back into the foundation while using the hardware to make a packet?
[8:59] <rymate1234> shiftplusone, I've used it for a youtube app
[9:00] <Gumby> Tachyon`: no idea. I'm just supplying the idea to someone
[9:01] <Gumby> but if the hardware can't do it, it is irrelevant
[9:01] <shiftplusone> the hardware can, the software doesn't (until someone fixes it)
[9:02] <Gumby> rymate1234: my issue is that there is a poping noise at the beginning and end of any audio file that is played
[9:02] <Gumby> in rasbian wheezy that is
[9:02] <Gumby> in bodhi linux there was no popping, however the audio quality was very poor
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[9:08] <rymate1234> hmmm
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[10:01] <linuxstb> Gumby: Which applications are you using to play audio? That sounds like something that could be fixed in the application, but I'm guessing you're not a programmer.
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[10:01] <Gumby> linuxstb: it happens in mpg123, mpg321, and mplayer
[10:01] <Gumby> on rasbian wheezy
[10:01] <Gumby> I've just setup arch linux, no issues there with audio quality or the popping between files
[10:02] <linuxstb> OK, so Raspbian must be using an older version of the audio driver (I guess).
[10:02] <linuxstb> So all is good then? (if you use Arch)
[10:05] <Gumby> I dont have raspbian to compare to. But here is arch http://pastebin.com/PTABZjrD
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps & chapeses!
[10:06] <Gumby> linuxstb: seems to be ok. But I am quite unfamiliar with it and it looks like for the Pi you need to build from the bottom up and I've already hit a few snags (but at least the audio is working)
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[10:09] <Gumby> hrm, I know phire from elsewhere
[10:09] <Gumby> perhaps a differend phire
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[10:12] <Tachyon`> christ, if I go over my 15GiB allowance on Three htey charge ?105/GiB for the overuse
[10:13] <Tachyon`> they don't say that, they say 10.2p per MiB but that's what it works out as
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> expensive, isn't it.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> wonder what their PAYG tarrifs are like these days as I'm fed-up with O2.
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[10:20] <Gumby> linuxstb: it could very well simply be an alsa issue
[10:20] <Gumby> in which case that is an easy fix
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[10:26] <Tachyon`> terrible on PAYG
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[10:26] <Tachyon`> that's why I just bought this contract
[10:26] <Tachyon`> ?18/month for 15GiB
[10:26] <Tachyon`> best on prepay is ?15/month for 7GiB I think
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Hm. My data usage is normally quite low.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> normally well under 1 GB/month.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> probably under 100MB/month most months.
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[10:38] <brookman32k> Hi. I have installed the latest wheezy image and it only seems to recognize 256MB ram even though I should have the 512MB version...
[10:38] <knoppies> brookman32k, that makes two of us. Apparently you need to update something.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> run apt-get update/upgrade (as root/sudo)
[10:39] <des2> sudo apt-get update
[10:39] <des2> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> then you may need to run rpi-update
[10:39] <brookman32k> it fails
[10:39] <knoppies> des2, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:40] <knoppies> brookman32k, whats the error message?
[10:40] <brookman32k> all 404 errors
[10:40] <Tachyon`> hrm
[10:40] <knoppies> is it plugged into your network?
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> you need to be connected to the Internetweb
[10:40] <Tachyon`> lol
[10:40] <brookman32k> i am
[10:40] <des2> Your tube is broken
[10:40] <knoppies> brookman32k, can you ping google.com?
[10:40] <Tachyon`> have you been playing in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:40] <brookman32k> yes
[10:40] <Tachyon`> he's getting 404 though, not host not found
[10:40] <knoppies> Tachyon`, good point.
[10:41] <Tachyon`> either a proxy is no longer proxying
[10:41] <brookman32k> also: the following signatures couldn't be verified...
[10:41] <Tachyon`> or something in the apt config I'd say
[10:41] <knoppies> brookman32k, is it a fresh install of wheezy? What have you done to it so far?
[10:41] <Tachyon`> brookman32k, what sort of network connection are you using?
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[10:42] <brookman32k> it tries to fetch .../sequeeze/contrib/binary-armhf/Packages
[10:42] <brookman32k> 404
[10:42] <Tachyon`> squeeze you mean I hope
[10:42] <Tachyon`> otherwise I may have spotted the problem
[10:42] <brookman32k> typo sorry
[10:42] <Tachyon`> what type of internet connection is it?
[10:43] <brookman32k> my home connection
[10:43] <brookman32k> cable
[10:43] <Tachyon`> hrm, okay
[10:43] <Tachyon`> and it must be working given you're here
[10:43] <brookman32k> withought proxy or something
[10:43] <brookman32k> :)
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[10:43] <brookman32k> maybe i'll try a fresh install
[10:44] <Tachyon`> i wonder if your mirror is incomplete
[10:44] <Tachyon`> or in mid update
[10:44] <Tachyon`> can you try another mirror?
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[10:45] <brookman32k> already restoring the sd card now ^^
[10:46] <brookman32k> maybe the update failed because once the partition was full
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[10:48] <knoppies> brookman32k, I dont think that will give a 404.
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[10:51] <brookman32k> ok, on the fresh installation the update works
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[11:03] <brookman32k> after a successful apt-get update and upgrade as well as a raspi-config update, I still only get 256MB ram in the memory_split option
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> 404 is file/object not found
[11:05] <brookman32k> i'm not getting any 404s now
[11:05] <knoppies> brookman32k, open a terminal and do free
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> running apt-get update on a pi ... ok, so-far..
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[11:07] <brookman32k> total: 189104
[11:07] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, how big is the download size?
[11:07] <knoppies> brookman32k, thats not good.
[11:07] <knoppies> brookman32k, you want more like 489
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> knoppies, it will depend on how long it was since the last upgrade - this mornings appears t obe pulling 20MB.
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> so I can verify that the remote servers, etc. for doing an uptate/upgrade appear ok - for me, anyway.
[11:12] <brookman32k> maybe the shop sent me a 256MB version by accident. i think i could confirm it with the id printed on the chip, right?
[11:12] <knoppies> brookman32k, somewhere in the middle it will say 2G or 4G.
[11:12] <knoppies> bigger is better.
[11:13] <Gumby> sssh, dont tell my gf that
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[11:13] <knoppies> Gumby, is she listening?
[11:14] <Gumby> who knows man, you can never tell
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[11:16] <brookman32k> knoppies: it says 4G. so it really is the 512MB version :)
[11:17] <knoppies> brookman32k, good.
[11:17] <knoppies> its a bit worrying that you guys are having trouble updating yours, because I also have a 512 version. I havent tried updating mine yet, but I would like to when I finally get the time.
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[11:23] <biberao> hi
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[11:26] <brookman32k> has anybody ever had the problem that some keyboard strokes aren't registered? like one stroke in 20. it really annoys me...
[11:27] <des2> So was that one stroke in 20 or 200 ?
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[11:27] <brookman32k> i'd say one in 20
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[11:27] <brookman32k> maybe 50 at max
[11:28] <des2> possibly a power problem
[11:29] <brookman32k> ok, i'll try it with switched off background light
[11:29] <biberao> any good vnc server/client?
[11:29] <linuxstb> brookman32k: I'm not sure if Raspbian includes the 512MB updates yet, so you may have to do it manually (download the latest start.elf, fixup.dat and bootcode.bin to /boot/ and add e.g. gpu_mem=128 to your config.txt)
[11:30] <brookman32k> oh i see
[11:30] <linuxstb> Or use this rpi-config script people keep talking about, but I've never used it (it doesn't appear to be part of Raspbian unless I'm misunderstanding things).
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[11:31] <brookman32k> rpi-config or raspi-config?
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[11:32] <linuxstb> rpi-config - something different to raspi-config
[11:33] <linuxstb> brookman32k: Read this thread - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=21106 (all of it - the first post is out of date)
[11:33] <brookman32k> thanks
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[11:38] <knoppies> biberao, thats a good question.
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[11:38] <biberao> knoppies: you mean the vnc?
[11:38] <knoppies> brookman32k, from what I understand the USB has some loss on it. It might be that, it might also be your keyboard.
[11:38] <knoppies> biberao, yes.
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[11:39] <brookman32k> loss of what? voltage?
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[11:40] <^}^> hi all
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[11:40] <brookman32k> hi
[11:40] <biberao> oh
[11:40] <knoppies> brookman32k, I would say data packets but I dont think that USB talks in data packets.
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[11:43] <brookman32k> my keyboard works fine on my desktop. but probably it takes to much power. it's a logitech devide with built in display and background light...
[11:43] <brookman32k> device*
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[11:44] <knoppies> brookman32k, I would try run something without the build in display (or somehow turn it off). Either that or try a powered hub.
[11:44] <knoppies> brookman32k, it probably does take too much power.
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[11:48] <knoppies> s/build/built
[11:48] <brookman32k> i can't turn off the display (and it's the only keyboard i have). i'll have to buy one anyway
[11:51] <knoppies> brookman32k, I wonder if you could get synergy running on a pi.
[11:51] <brookman32k> what is synergy?
[11:52] <brookman32k> this? http://synergy-foss.org/
[11:52] <knoppies> brookman32k, yes.
[11:53] <knoppies> brookman32k, it shares keyboards/mice between computers over IP.
[11:53] <des2> synergy is when you mix gasoline and air and light a match
[11:53] <knoppies> you probably figured that out by now.
[11:53] <brookman32k> well probably it's easier to just access it via ssh
[11:53] <knoppies> des2, inside a combustion chamber.
[11:53] <knoppies> brookman32k, if you only work in a terminal, synergy is for GUI access.
[11:54] <el_robin> knoppies: I think it should works if you are running X on RPI
[11:54] <brookman32k> yes. i just mean for now
[11:54] <biberao> so
[11:54] <biberao> it will take 4weeks to get my pi
[11:54] <biberao> :|
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[11:55] <brookman32k> biberao: where did you order it?
[11:55] <knoppies> biberao, where are you? On the bottom end of the world it was over night, and it was an international shipping.
[11:55] <biberao> knoppies: but it will be cheaper
[11:55] <biberao> :p
[11:55] <biberao> brookman32k: well i can order from another store
[11:55] <biberao> it will take 2 days
[11:56] <brookman32k> yeah. i got mine in 1 day :)
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[11:56] <biberao> monday ill figure it out
[11:56] <biberao> the store's owner advised me another similar products but none of them have gpios and stuff
[11:56] <brookman32k> if i weren't too lazy i could have picked it up at the shop the same day ^^
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[11:57] <biberao> brookman32k: you guys have physical stores with pis?
[11:57] <brookman32k> yes
[11:57] <biberao> lucky
[11:57] <biberao> we got niltz
[11:57] <brookman32k> it costs 65 usd however
[11:59] <biberao> oh
[11:59] <biberao> here in 2 days pi plus rca cable power cable microusb case
[11:59] <biberao> 68euros with taxes and free shipping
[12:00] <brookman32k> linuxstb: that helped, thanks! now i can see the whole 512MB :)
[12:00] <biberao> ut i can take 23%
[12:00] <biberao> which are taxes
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[12:02] <brookman32k> i payed 63 euro for Pi, case and shipping
[12:02] <Tachyon`> ow
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[12:08] <biberao> brookman32k: see
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[12:09] <biberao> its not so much difference
[12:10] <Tachyon`> sounds quite differnet, I paid ?35 to farnell for pi, case, postage etc.
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[12:33] <knoppies> brookman32k, how did you manage that (see the whole 512mb?)
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[12:34] <knoppies> brookman32k, nvm, I found what linuxstb said
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[12:37] <brookman32k> i used this: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[12:46] <tanuva> Its funny how you already got your new pis so fast, I'm still waiting for an order at rs from weeks ago, they estimated pis to come in november >.<
[12:47] <lupinedk> tanuva order from farnell instead
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[12:47] <x29a> tanuva: cancel and order at farnell, if you want your pi
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[12:48] <knoppies> tanuva, might be because they delaying the order so you get a 512mb version. They must have a lot of backlog.
[12:48] <cyclick> it took less then 2 weeks for mine to get here from element14
[12:49] <knoppies> it took one day to get mine from element14.
[12:49] <des2> Did you use a gun ?
[12:50] <knoppies> des2, no I ordered from nz.element14 and they sent it form a warehouse in AUS. at the time they said they had 800 in stock.
[12:51] <tanuva> knoppies: oh, interesting, I didn't check their faq for some time. So I'll be getting the 512mb version shipped in 2nd week of november..
[12:51] <tanuva> looks like that might be worth the wait
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[12:51] <tanuva> (except I provided them with a free credit for almost 2 months now...)
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[13:02] <Pr070cal> hi im using a edimax wifi adapter i used the install-rtl8188cus.sh script but i have huge packet loss more than rx packets :(
[13:03] <Pr070cal> raspberry pi atheros
[13:04] <Pr070cal> oops sorry ignore the line above was just doing a search
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[13:12] <SpeedEvil> are you using a powered GB?
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> hub
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[13:14] <Pr070cal> no i may test that though
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[13:19] <Pr070cal> just tried a powered hub and still have large amount of dropped packets
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[13:32] <SpeedEvil> :'(
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[13:37] <linuxstb> tanuva: I order a Pi from RS in July, and they are still estimating November? (In the meantime I've ordered and received 4 from Farnell). Last one, I ordered about 10 days ago, and it arrived a couple of days ago.
[13:37] <m0spf> Farnell seem to be the place to get them from, next day delivery seems to be the standard in the UK from them
[13:38] <linuxstb> I've never had it next day from Farnell (I'm in the UK). But normally not much more than 1 week.
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[13:42] <des2> Don't order from RS unless they have it in stock.
[13:42] <des2> Farnell is making PIs in the UK
[13:42] <linuxstb> tanuva: What's your order number? I ordered on 16 July and mine ends with 165xxx, which I think means it will be shipped between 19th and 25th November according to the FAQ
[13:42] <des2> RS is still making them in China
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[13:44] <tanuva> linuxstb: I'm at 1010159 iirc, so it should be the 2nd week of november
[13:45] <linuxstb> tanuva: OK. I hope you ordered before me ;)
[13:46] <tanuva> linuxstb: 16. july
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[14:45] <tnmoc> I am trying to fix a Pi that is used by the public (I'm in a museum), somehow the resolution has changed from 1280x1024, to 1280x720. It is running Raspbian and in the GUI monitor settings there is no option for 1024. In the config file I try to specify the resoltuion I end up a witha really thin resolution that is evn worse. Any ideas?
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[14:47] <mrmoney2012> hi all with the recommended image the emory splits offered by the menu at boot don't cater for 512mb i think - ?
[14:47] <mrmoney2012> is there a way to sort that ?
[14:47] <des2> What interface is it ? HDMI ?
[14:48] <des2> mrmoney are you updated to the latest files ?
[14:48] <tnmoc> des2: HMDI to DVI. I am typing this on one that is set up int eh exact same way
[14:49] <tnmoc> I guess I could swap the SD cards to check it isn't the hardware.
[14:50] <mrmoney2012> des2: yes
[14:50] <des2> Is there a possibility someone screwed with the monitor ?
[14:50] <mrmoney2012> i did apt-get update and upgrade
[14:50] <des2> and rpi-update ?
[14:50] <mrmoney2012> then do i need to rerun the config ?
[14:51] <tnmoc> des2: Possibly, but I doubt it. I shall disconnect on here and swap the SD cards to see what happens! Thanks
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[14:51] <mrmoney2012> oh no not rpi-update
[14:51] <mrmoney2012> will do that now
[14:51] <des2> It's my expeience that in public people will press buttons they shouldn't
[14:52] <des2> And resetting the monitor may be required
[14:52] <mrmoney2012> but i did select the update option in the initial menu
[14:52] <des2> mrmoney there's a bit of confusion as the method is sort of in flux
[14:53] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=21106
[14:53] <des2> Somone posted that link regarding the 512 issue earlier. Read the whole thread.
[14:54] <des2> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[14:54] <des2> make sure you have and run that
[14:55] <mrmoney2012> ok ta
[14:55] <mrmoney2012> do i need to do sudo wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[14:55] <mrmoney2012> or just type sudo rpi-update ??? after i've updated the system
[14:56] <des2> well that long line installs rpi-update properly
[14:56] <mrmoney2012> ok
[14:56] <mrmoney2012> ta
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[14:57] <mrmoney2012> looks good https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/commit/da74cb3641dbf5e745c91e7bd2b461a713625942
[14:57] <mrmoney2012> so i will try installing via the long line then running it
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[15:32] <Bear_DK> is there an API on the raspberry which uses hardware to resample audio?
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[15:42] * djazz made a simple web interface for listening to webradio, youtube or other URL using omxplayer and node.js!
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[15:43] <biberao> djazz: share it
[15:43] <Tachyon`> ah, cold war star trek, lol
[15:43] <des2> Good question Bear_DK
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[15:44] <Tachyon`> I didn't know omxplayer could play remote sreams o.o
[15:44] <biberao> djazz: :p
[15:44] <djazz> biberao: http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
[15:44] <biberao> djazz: the source :p
[15:44] <djazz> the source is in the source zip file
[15:44] <djazz> dont put on anything stupid in my kitchen now
[15:44] <djazz> :D
[15:44] <biberao> oh its there
[15:44] <biberao> thanks
[15:44] <biberao> is it supposed to play?
[15:44] <Tachyon`> that page looks iphone shaped
[15:45] <Tachyon`> I think it's playing at his end
[15:45] <des2> That's nice djazz, simple.
[15:45] <biberao> oh
[15:45] <djazz> biberao: it plays right now in my kitchen
[15:45] <biberao> djazz: lol
[15:45] <biberao> oh
[15:45] <djazz> i use wifi to the pi
[15:45] <biberao> 14:44 < djazz> dont put on anything stupid in my kitchen now <-
[15:45] <djazz> so it streams
[15:45] <biberao> now i got it
[15:45] <djazz> aha
[15:45] <biberao> djazz: the source file is damaged
[15:45] <djazz> someone put P4 on
[15:45] <Tachyon`> ah right, so killing in the name of by rage against the machine is out of the question
[15:45] <djazz> it is?
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[15:46] <biberao> yes djazz
[15:46] <djazz> i can download it
[15:46] <biberao> i can too
[15:46] <biberao> but its damaged on opening
[15:46] <djazz> and open it
[15:46] <biberao> djazz: here doesnt work
[15:46] <biberao> :|
[15:46] <biberao> its either damaged or something
[15:46] <biberao> its empty
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[15:47] <des2> THe source isn't found.
[15:47] <djazz> ah
[15:48] <djazz> file manager crashed
[15:48] <djazz> hold on
[15:48] <biberao> djazz: tell me if you like the song
[15:49] <biberao> its good when you're mad at your lady
[15:49] <biberao> or opposite lol
[15:50] <djazz> its offline now
[15:51] <djazz> hold on
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[15:52] <Tachyon`> eh? you didn't actually play killing in the name of did you? that was a joke...
[15:52] <djazz> biberao: now?
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[15:53] <djazz> http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
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[15:53] <biberao> djazz: same
[15:53] <biberao> error
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[15:55] <djazz> biberao: i can even download it on my phone
[15:55] <djazz> i'll upload on my apache server..
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[15:55] <biberao> *weird*
[15:56] <des2> It downloaded but the archive is damaged or in the wrong format
[15:56] <djazz> biberao: anyways, you need to install node.js and youtube-dl
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[15:56] <djazz> to use it
[15:56] <biberao> see djazz
[15:56] <biberao> des2: has the same problem
[15:56] <Bear_DK> anyone know if the Raspberry supports "ARMv6T2 optimizations"?
[15:56] <djazz> here you go: http://djazz.mine.nu/files/omxradio.zip
[15:57] <biberao> djazz: fixed
[15:57] <biberao> thanks
[15:57] <des2> that worked
[15:57] <djazz> :)
[15:57] <djazz> biberao, des2: what browser do you use?
[15:58] <biberao> firefox
[15:58] <djazz> ah
[15:58] <djazz> it works in chrome :)
[15:58] <djazz> its probably cuz I compress files serverside
[16:00] <djazz> fast forward/backward only works on local files i think
[16:00] <djazz> i tested with a local mp4
[16:02] <des2> Bear_DK I believe the BCM2835 supports ARMv6T2
[16:03] <biberao> bye have to go
[16:03] <biberao> seeya
[16:03] <Bear_DK> des2: hm, ok. I'll look into it
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[16:19] <jelly1> yes my RAM/GPU split works \o/
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[16:23] <blueslee> hello folks, did anyone succeeded in running flash on the raspberry pi, for instance using arm libs from maemo, android etc?
[16:23] <jelly1> blueslee: i dont think there is ARM flash
[16:23] <jelly1> but then again there is flash on android
[16:23] <blueslee> jelly1: i have an n9, n900 and it runs flash
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[16:24] <jelly1> anyway proc wont like it
[16:24] <jelly1> blueslee: minitube
[16:24] <jelly1> for youtube
[16:25] <blueslee> jelly1: as far as i remember someone switched libflash*.so from android to maemo for fennec and it worked
[16:25] <jelly1> O_o
[16:25] <blueslee> jelly1: flash is the missing part for me, before i buy it
[16:26] <jelly1> blueslee: what do you need flash for?
[16:26] <blueslee> jelly1: live streaming, nba basketball
[16:26] <jelly1> eek
[16:26] <jelly1> blueslee: I would use RTMP streams
[16:27] <blueslee> jelly1: i also dont like flash but the world out there uses it
[16:27] <jelly1> blueslee: in XBMC i can watch flash streams, without using falsh ;)
[16:27] <jelly1> *flash
[16:28] <blueslee> jelly1: you mean rtmp streams and others
[16:28] <jelly1> yes
[16:28] <jelly1> but that's just me avoiding flash
[16:29] <jelly1> since flash is unsupported on linux
[16:29] <blueslee> i will write the nba an email that they should drop flash:-)
[16:29] <jelly1> haha
[16:29] <jelly1> then they will switch to silverlight
[16:29] <jelly1> :P
[16:30] <blueslee> silverlight is also not dead, i kind of zombie which appears here and there
[16:30] <piney0> might as well be the nhl if the only option to watch is flash
[16:30] <jelly1> i wish it was dead
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[16:32] <blueslee> the nba has an app for the i-world devices and they do not support flash, how they do the streaming there?
[16:32] <jelly1> i bet rtmp
[16:32] <jelly1> hmm what would be a smart split for XBMC?
[16:33] <blueslee> so flash is only needed for the ui, maybe ...
[16:33] <jelly1> i guess XBMC doesnt eat mem
[16:34] <blueslee> i like the xmbc and remote controls from smartphones, thats exactly what i want
[16:34] <jelly1> blueslee: i have that ;)
[16:34] <jelly1> but now its an old laptop, soon XBMC
[16:34] <jelly1> once everything is installed and downloaded ;)
[16:35] <blueslee> the problem is the content sd card, hard disk etc i dont have so much content, all i watch from time to time is internet streaming, and a lot of them is flash
[16:35] <blueslee> jelly1: what about sopcast?
[16:35] <jelly1> sopcast?
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[16:36] <blueslee> jelly1: p2p streaming
[16:36] <jelly1> oh
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[16:37] <Icoin> hi is someone able to crosscompile devcoind fpr wheezy ? http://sourceforge.net/projects/galacticmilieu/files/DeVCoin/
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[16:37] <Icoin> there is a bounty for this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg1271093#msg1271093
[16:37] <blueslee> jelly1: need to go now, thank you for your time
[16:38] <jelly1> ok
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[16:41] <Diaoul> .deb packages for XBMC @ https://github.com/Diaoul/xbmc-rbp-packaging/downloads
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[16:43] <Bear_DK> anyone know why dmesg shows this error: "smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped"?
[16:50] <zgreg> because the USB driver still sucks
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[17:02] <RudeViper> Good Morning all - looks like I survived the hurricane last night
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[17:09] <Tachyon`> oh heh, this nokia has pictoral instuctions showing how to open the battery cover... on the /inside/ of the battery cover.
[17:10] <des2> That helps you to know you did it correctly
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[17:17] <RudeViper> Tachyon`, Good morning
[17:18] <Tachyon`> hi
[17:19] <RudeViper> brookman32k, Go into terminal and type "free" at the prompt - raspi-config doesn't show it but it will there if you did it right
[17:19] <RudeViper> WOW - look at that Tachyon` - me giving Linux advice - WOOOW!
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[17:20] <Tachyon`> oh, you met the hurricane
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[17:20] <RudeViper> and WON!
[17:20] <Tachyon`> it was showing 70MPH winds over 200 miles from the centre on thursday
[17:20] <RudeViper> lol
[17:21] <Tachyon`> surprised there are buildings left in its path, let alone people
[17:21] <RudeViper> brookman32k, take a look at this link - https://blogs.oracle.com/hinkmond/entry/oh_snap_my_rpi_was
[17:22] <des2> that arm496 stuff is obsolete
[17:22] <RudeViper> yeah - we got 70+ gusts here
[17:23] <des2> It changed a few days ago.
[17:23] <RudeViper> doesn't matter if it works
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[17:23] <RudeViper> and it did
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[17:24] <djazz> omxplayer + node.js = remote webradio/youtube music player! https://github.com/daniel-j/omxradio live: http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
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[17:30] <Benighted> Just wondering, has web browsing improved much on the 512 model?
[17:30] <brookman32k> RudeViper: thanks. i got it working earlier
[17:30] <RudeViper> cool
[17:30] <RudeViper> to be honest - I just figured that one out myself lastnight
[17:31] <RudeViper> VERY lightly
[17:31] <jelly1> Benighted: sure more mem improves performance
[17:33] <RudeViper> brb - gotta reboot now that I have it set for 128 video.------
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> well, the sun is shining & it's the weekend, therefore th BBQ is lit...
[17:36] <brookman32k> we just have the first snow here ;_;
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> yea, I hear other bits of the UK have had snow...
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[17:45] <gordonDrogon> http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php <--- a few miles from where I am ...
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[17:53] <biberao> gordonDrogon: !!
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[18:12] <RudeViper> well that did NOT work either - well first things first - I am headed out to get a new keyboard
[18:13] <RudeViper> got the laptop moved Tachyon` for later when I install Ubuntu and need help - I'll be on mirc in this channel - lol
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[18:17] <RudeViper> I forgot - how do you change nick's
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[18:19] <IT_Sean> /nick
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[18:19] <IT_Sean> RudeViper, to change your nick, type /nick [newnick]
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[18:21] <RudeViper|Away> thanks
[18:21] <home> :o why?
[18:21] <RudeViper|Away> it's been a while since I used IRC
[18:22] <IT_Sean> No prob.
[18:22] <home> sammme
[18:22] <home> I don't know why it says "home"
[18:22] <IT_Sean> ?
[18:22] <IT_Sean> ... because that is what you set as your nick.
[18:23] <home> nah
[18:23] <home> it uses me home directory
[18:23] <home> name
[18:23] <home> which is set to home
[18:24] <IT_Sean> What client are you using? O_o
[18:24] <home> xchat
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[18:24] <IT_Sean> you can set your nick to whatever you want in the channel properties. I've used xchat. You can also change it on the fly with /nick
[18:24] <Mike-N-Go> RudeViper|Away: What is it you need help with?
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[18:58] <mrmoney2012> confused about turbo mode
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> well that was a nice afternoon bbq!
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> and now some mutton is slowly roasting as it cools down :)
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[19:09] <PReDiToR> A bbq? Wow. That must have made your garage smokey.
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> it's been sunny & dry here all day.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> http://www.dartcom.co.uk/dartcam/index.php <- Lovely evening.
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[19:29] <UnaClocker> Got my 3.5" LCD yesterday.. Gotta dig up a 12v power supply for it and see how it looks. :)
[19:29] <UnaClocker> I wonder if the Pi will be at all usable on it.
[19:30] <home> nope
[19:30] <home> suckah
[19:30] <UnaClocker> You again.. ;)
[19:32] <s5fs> such words of encouragement!
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, should be find if you can get a big font, or for videos.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, you'll need to fiddle with the overscan, etc settings, but I got a good solid 640x480 on my old monochrom tube monitor without any issues.
[19:33] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I'll be using it with a custom GUI for controlling my project, in the end..
[19:34] <UnaClocker> Nice
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> I put a double-side font in my BASIC, so I got olde 40-column text when I connected it to my TV
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> double-sized*
[19:35] <UnaClocker> Nice. :)
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg <-- 80 column
[19:36] <scummos> hahaha that looks like fun
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[19:36] <UnaClocker> http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0045IIZKU/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1&isremote=0 That's the screen I got.. Looks usable..
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[19:37] <quadmasta> hi room
[19:37] <UnaClocker> Hiya!
[19:37] <quadmasta> I'm a raspi noob and I'm experiencing some oddities
[19:37] <UnaClocker> sticking keys on the keyboard?
[19:37] <UnaClocker> #1 oddity.. ;)
[19:38] <quadmasta> my raspi boots into wheezy and then after a while it drops USB and network
[19:38] <UnaClocker> Using a powered USB hub, or plugged straight into the onboard USB ports?
[19:38] <quadmasta> I've tried both
[19:38] <quadmasta> doesn't seem any better in either configuration
[19:38] <UnaClocker> done an update/upgrade recently?
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, I think with a custom GUI it'll be excellent - not really good for general purpose use though, but I'm sure these little things have a place in applications.
[19:39] <quadmasta> it's a fresh image
[19:39] <quadmasta> also, it doesn't stay stable long enough to do one from the board
[19:39] <UnaClocker> Should do an update/upgrade right away then.
[19:39] <UnaClocker> heh, that sucks.
[19:39] <UnaClocker> gordonDrogon: Yeah, I agree..
[19:40] <quadmasta> UnaClocker: got a search term I can use in order to do update/upgrade?
[19:40] <UnaClocker> from the command line, sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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[19:42] <quadmasta> debian uses apt?
[19:42] <quadmasta> it dies before I can do anything
[19:43] <quadmasta> what should I check?
[19:44] <UnaClocker> Your power supply.. Sounds like it's junk.
[19:44] <quadmasta> I've tried several
[19:44] <UnaClocker> debian created apt, anything else that uses apt is a debian derivitive.
[19:44] <quadmasta> the USB port on my computer
[19:44] <quadmasta> the powered USB hub
[19:44] <quadmasta> a phone charger
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[19:44] <UnaClocker> Is this a eBay cheapie USB hub?
[19:45] <UnaClocker> Or otherwise cheap chinese hub?
[19:45] <quadmasta> got it at MicroCenter
[19:45] <quadmasta> it's CyberPower USB hub
[19:45] <UnaClocker> Have you tried running without the hub, just the keyboard into the USB port?
[19:46] <quadmasta> yeah
[19:46] <quadmasta> I'll try again
[19:47] <quadmasta> all fails
[19:47] <quadmasta> tried 2 different keyboards
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[19:49] <quadmasta> it stays up if I unplug the ethernet cable
[19:50] <quadmasta> then I plug in the ethernet and it crashes
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[19:51] <quadmasta> UnaClocker: what should I check?
[19:51] <bircoe> check your voltages
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[19:52] <UnaClocker> Sounds like a bad USB cable.
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[19:55] <quadmasta> this is infuriating
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> power it from a PC rather than from the hub.
[19:59] <quadmasta> I've tried a PC, an AC adapter, the hub
[19:59] <quadmasta> same end result
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[19:59] <quadmasta> going to try the soft-float wheezy
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[20:00] <quadmasta> is this likely power related?
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> I very much doubt that switching to soft-float will make any difference.
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[20:05] <Cheery> hi all
[20:06] <tld> hi
[20:06] <Cheery> I'm going to write two classes and node-libraries today.
[20:06] <Cheery> the one is a video/display -library.
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[20:12] <Rudeviper> Well got a new keyboard and mouse. Gotta clear off desk and check the power supply and see if there is an issue there.
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[20:16] <Rudeviper> Now I have a good question. I need to edit my config.txt to get the proper split for video - but when I try to do it in X - it won't let me save it- How do I edit it and save it?
[20:17] <quadmasta> how do I add a sudoer in debian?
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[20:21] <atouk> visudo
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[20:22] <atouk> Rudeviper, do it from a root console
[20:22] <stevep> Anyone know how I can print some kind of controls on top of omxplayer on the rpi?
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[20:22] <atouk> or, sudo nano ...
[20:22] <stevep> something like "when you pause it shows a pause icon above omxplayer"
[20:23] <Rudeviper> atouk, Total n00b here don't know how to do that - but in the file manager I found an option to open the /boot folder as root - going to try that.
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[20:24] <stevep> Rudeviper: you'll want to do whatever in that folder on the command line
[20:24] <Rudeviper> Cool - that worked
[20:25] <Rudeviper> ok I have the 512 version - do I need to put the gpu_mem_256 option in there or do I have to use both?
[20:26] <stevep> nice, i wish i had that
[20:26] <Rudeviper> ok that didn't make sense - lol - do I have to use both options or can I just use one
[20:26] <stevep> you use just one
[20:26] <Rudeviper> thanks
[20:26] <stevep> the 256 one will split your ram 50/50 with the gpu/arm
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[20:26] <stevep> IMO, the GPU does REALLY well with just 128
[20:26] <stevep> but the arm chip could use more help
[20:27] <Rudeviper> That is what I am trying to do - use 128mb for video
[20:27] <atouk> not answering 512 questions until i get mine. 3:2 odds i'll be wrong, and i already have 9:2 that i'm wrong with 256 answers
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[20:27] <mumbles> my pi just died.
[20:27] <Rudeviper> there next time I reboot it should work better
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[20:28] <Rudeviper> I'm getting set up to install Ubuntu on my main computer (dual boot Windows 7) and LEARN linux - for real
[20:28] <mumbles> https://twitter.com/jjedmondson/status/262255938453532672
[20:29] <s5fs> Rudeviper: why dual boot when you can virtualize?
[20:29] <s5fs> Rudeviper: i rock ubuntu as my primary os and run win7 as a vm, but i don't do any gaming on the vm just dotnet dev. works great though.
[20:29] <swecide> Rudeviper: if you want to learn it for real, get rid of windows.
[20:30] <Fleck> mumbles on what to look in those pics?
[20:30] <swecide> in my experience people think linux is cool and all but as soon as thing starts to be hard, they boot windows
[20:30] <Rudeviper> there seems to be some opinions of limitations with virtualization - and I can't get rid of windows - I play some online games that need windows
[20:30] <atouk> d17 fried. what did you plug in?
[20:31] <stevep> Rudeviper: I'd recommend virtualbox
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[20:31] <stevep> if you just want to learn it
[20:31] <s5fs> virtualbox all the way
[20:31] <stevep> my company pays for vmware for me
[20:31] <stevep> i installed debian to test some things that would go on my rpi
[20:31] <stevep> works great
[20:31] <stevep> doesn't require a dual boot
[20:31] <Rudeviper> not just learn it - USE IT - I'm going to start learning to do some programming
[20:31] <stevep> you can just open a window
[20:32] <stevep> have to learn it before you can USE it :)
[20:32] <Rudeviper> yep
[20:32] <atouk> does virtualbox handle USB properly?
[20:32] <Rudeviper> I have virtualbox installed with Debian on it
[20:32] <s5fs> atouk: define 'properly' haha
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[20:33] <Rudeviper> that is one issue I am worried about
[20:33] <s5fs> atouk: it supports usb passthrough to hosts, i'm able to access thumbdrives and whatnot in my guests with not much trouble
[20:33] <stevep> yeah it would work
[20:33] <Rudeviper> when I am in linux mode I want ALL features and resources available - no limitations
[20:33] <stevep> you may have to tell vbox to use it
[20:33] <stevep> i can't remember
[20:33] <stevep> then i guess dual boot is your answer
[20:34] <stevep> i just love the fact that im already on my mac while im doing debian things
[20:34] <stevep> switching back and forth is as simple as minimizing
[20:34] <atouk> can you gparted a usb device with it?
[20:34] <stevep> oh and i recommend learning command line without a window system
[20:34] <Rudeviper> yep
[20:34] <stevep> i've used usb drives with my vbox
[20:34] <stevep> can't remember how to config it
[20:34] <atouk> guess that's "properly" enough
[20:34] <s5fs> atouk: i'd assume so, i've updated my iphone over usb
[20:35] <stevep> i was testing my media center app for the rpi on it
[20:35] <stevep> and plugged in my 2TB hard drive
[20:35] <stevep> im gonna github my project when it's a bit further along
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[20:50] <stevep> where do you install new fonts on the rpi raspbian?
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[20:58] <stevep> no matter where i install them, they dont work on chromium
[20:58] <stevep> i am running the fc-cache command
[20:58] <stevep> do i need a reboot too?
[20:58] <s5fs> no idea, i run my rpi headless
[20:59] <stevep> i guess my media center gui will have to run on basic fonts too then...
[20:59] <s5fs> stevep: do you see the fonts when you run fc-list?
[21:00] <stevep> yes
[21:00] <Icoin> how i can figure if i have the 512 B version here ?
[21:00] <s5fs> stevep: seems like a good start! give it a reboot and report back, i'm curious :)
[21:00] <stevep> i will in a few
[21:00] <stevep> testing the fifo commands to omxplayer first
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[21:01] <stevep> think ordering the 512M ram version will help the slowness when im running chromium?
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[21:03] <s5fs> not sure, but i doubt it would make it slower
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[21:03] <s5fs> i haven't done any profiling on my pi, haven't done much to it tbh, so i have no idea where the bottlenecks are, but i'm guessing 'disk'
[21:04] <obcd> x not being hardware accelerated perhaps?
[21:04] <stevep> yeah
[21:04] <stevep> that hurts
[21:04] <stevep> perhaps i need a faster sd card too
[21:04] <stevep> just got the one they sent me with the pi
[21:05] <stevep> with raspian already on it
[21:05] <obcd> sd card speed factor is usually write speed.
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[21:06] <obcd> as sd cards are flash and that doesn't write very fast.
[21:06] <AC`97> false. flash writes faster than spinny hard drives.
[21:06] <AC`97> it's just sd cards that are slow :P
[21:07] <mrlespaulman> Anyone know how to get snes retroarch running fullspeed?
[21:07] <AC`97> bump up the frameskip
[21:07] <mrlespaulman> Seems the sdl audio tends to slow it down a bit
[21:07] <mrlespaulman> is there frameskip on retroarch?
[21:07] <AC`97> lower audio sample rate
[21:08] <obcd> I was refering to different class sd cards
[21:09] <mrlespaulman> So...which systems have been able to be successfully emulated/playable on the pi?
[21:09] <mrlespaulman> Obviously NES and SNES
[21:09] <obcd> unless you use the swap intens, not much is written.
[21:09] <stevep> i think they are working on hardware accelerating chromium too
[21:09] <stevep> might help
[21:09] <obcd> GBA also
[21:09] <mrlespaulman> oh nice
[21:10] <mrlespaulman> wasnt aware of that one
[21:10] <mrlespaulman> what about DOS stuff?
[21:10] <mrlespaulman> like via dosbox or something?
[21:10] <obcd> dosbox works but is slow
[21:11] <obcd> we need a hardware accelerated sdl layer....
[21:11] <mrlespaulman> I wish the ALSA worked better with Retroarch
[21:11] <stevep> then all of sudden the GPU is doing too much to have decent video playback...
[21:12] <obcd> In what occasion?
[21:12] <stevep> when everything else is hardware accelerated
[21:12] <mrlespaulman> Any fixes for the ALSA cutting out yet?
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> obcd, just using the gpu as a blitter for sdl would help...
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> one day...
[21:14] <obcd> I was thinking the same. It can be done one sdl function at a time...
[21:16] <obcd> A lot of games and emulators use sdl for their graphics.
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[21:16] <gordonDrogon> My BASIC uses SDL..
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> I've had to really think about optimising a few things for the Pi.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> it runs OK though.
[21:17] <obcd> I tested sdlbasic once, I assume that isn't yours?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> not heard of it.
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[21:17] <obcd> But you have that great blog post that's in my favorites
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[21:19] <obcd> So, is your basic available somewhere?
[21:19] <obcd> Preferrable not just the binary :-)
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> not officially yet, but if you look in http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> you'll find binarys :)
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> there's 1 or 2 little embarrasing things in it that I want to tidy up before I release the source.
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> and I may have the urge/push to do so before december as I'm toying with the idea of releasing some code written in BASIC to play with my ladder board.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> although providing a binary .deb is also on the cards.
[21:21] <obcd> You sure aren't sitting quiet...
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> yea, running out of spare time..
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[21:23] <obcd> I think I know the feeling.
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[21:24] <obcd> sdlbasic was working fine, but the ide was slow on the pi
[21:25] <obcd> it had some nice examples of what could be done.
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll have a look at it.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at putting together a full-screen editor for mine.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> although... who knows. you can write programs without line numbers in an external text editor though.
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[21:27] <aaa801> sooooo tired
[21:27] <aaa801> dam you comiccon :3
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> GOTO B99-BED
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> oops, slipped into COBOL there ;-)
[21:28] <aaa801> lol
[21:28] <aaa801> took a hour to get there
[21:28] <aaa801> and 3 hours to get back
[21:28] <aaa801> all the lines were closed q_q
[21:29] <obcd> text editor is fine, but syntax highlighting is better...:-)
[21:29] <obcd> we are used to be spoiled.
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> obcd, I am unable to work with syntax highlighting, so it's very un-fine for me.
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[21:31] <obcd> All the comments in their own color is already a good start.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> unless you're me )-:
[21:32] <obcd> oops, I think I am following now. Problems with colors?
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[21:35] <gordonDrogon> it just doesn't work for me. I'm not colour blind, but too many colours in text is confusing.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I've never had problems reading/decoding text though.
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[21:36] <gordonDrogon> I am somewhat dyslexic though.
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[21:36] <gordonDrogon> and I hate it that people think that 'colour-ls' is a good thing )-:
[21:37] <saturation> is it ok if I plug the usb device out, eth0 restarts?
[21:37] <obcd> fair enough. I can understand that.
[21:38] <obcd> @saturation, what usb device?
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[21:38] <obcd> It's not ok, but it doesn't come as a suprise either.
[21:40] <Tachyon`> colour ls is a good thing, we're not on amber VT52s anymore!
[21:40] <Tachyon`> (and if you were it'd default to monochrome)
[21:40] <saturation> obcd: 3g modem
[21:41] <Tachyon`> (and I /am/ colour blind but have no problems at all)
[21:41] <obcd> @saturation connected directly to the pi or 2 a self powered usb hub?
[21:41] <Tachyon`> is intended for a black background though, if you're using it with a white background it's bound to look pretty rubbish
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> saturation, your 3g modem is probably overloading the 5v supply.
[21:41] <saturation> obcd: directly
[21:41] <saturation> I am using nokia ac-12
[21:41] <saturation> ac-10
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> saturation, or causing spikes in it when you plug it in/out.
[21:42] <saturation> it should be over 1200mA
[21:42] <AC`97> ...
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg <-- did someone say amber?
[21:42] <saturation> crapity crap
[21:42] <obcd> precisely, 3g modems are very power hungry
[21:42] <saturation> is there any "special" power suplies for raspi?
[21:43] <saturation> made for it
[21:43] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: we almost got egl on android :3
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> saturation, even if there are, then there are other factors. e.g. the 700mA polyfuse on the input..
[21:43] <saturation> gordonDrogon: hmm, version 2 also?
[21:43] <saturation> erm aa I got it
[21:44] <saturation> there was a problem in usb output 100mA etc. so there is one for input power as well?
[21:44] <obcd> You could try a split usb cable and power the stick that way.
[21:45] <obcd> there still is a 1.1A polyfuse on the input
[21:45] <obcd> and the usb current passes trough that as well.
[21:45] <saturation> yea but pi should not draw like 8000mA ?
[21:45] <saturation> erm 0.8
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[21:46] <wej> 3g modems usually draw about 450 to 500 mA
[21:46] <RudeViper> Holla - I'm back
[21:46] <obcd> nope, 0.3 - 0.5 Amps for the Pi
[21:47] <Gumby> WB RudeViper
[21:47] <saturation> wej: and it there is input fure to limit current to 1.1A minus the 0.5A equals 0.6A so for pi that should be enough
[21:47] <saturation> well there is spike then
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[21:47] <wej> i wouldn't count on it being enough
[21:48] <saturation> put more capasitators! :)
[21:48] <obcd> you could try, but the pcb tracks are also limited.
[21:49] <obcd> so, disconnecting the stick power wire and connecting that directly to the supply
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[21:49] <obcd> would be a safer solution.
[21:49] <wej> some 3g modem even draw more than those 500 mA, even though that's more USB2 needs to supply
[21:49] <RudeViper> Gumby once I get finished eating I'm gonna burn the Ubuntu disk and start loading
[21:50] <wej> what model are you using?
[21:50] <Gumby> RudeViper: cool, good luck
[21:50] <obcd> nokia ac 10
[21:50] <saturation> nokia ac-10 power adapter and 3g-modem is also from nokia, cs-17
[21:50] <rikkib> As current increases so does voltage drop. It is the low voltage that kills the RPi or makes things no work. Solution a better power supply.
[21:51] <wej> hm, ok, don't know about those nokia devices, never had one
[21:51] <RudeViper> I hope I bookmarked that from last nught
[21:51] <saturation> rikkib: but this is while I unplug the device
[21:51] <saturation> UNplug
[21:51] <stevep> boo yaa! play controls for omxplayer in a fifo!
[21:52] <stevep> but the ARM is so slow it takes like 5 full seconds before a pause actually happens
[21:52] <stevep> but whatever! my wife can use it
[21:52] <RudeViper> oh no - they are bookmarked on the Pi - not main puter - crappola
[21:52] <obcd> the ac10 is just the charger/ supply?
[21:53] <saturation> yeah
[21:53] <stevep> btw, i had to put in a usb hub that is powered to get most of my usb bluetooth and other things working properly
[21:53] <Gumby> interesting. If I use mpg123 and do "mpg123 /data/media/*.mp3" I get the audible 'pop' at the beginning and end of each track. If I instead do "mpg321 --loop 0 `ls -1 /data/media/*.mp3`" I get no 'pop' between each track
[21:54] <obcd> brb some dishes to fight with
[21:54] <Gumby> feeding mpg123 a wildcard seems to be a bad idea
[21:54] <Gumby> (on the pi)
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[21:54] <Sonny_Jim> Gaaah, ext4 partition has got corrupted AGAIN
[21:55] <Sonny_Jim> Bit fed up of having to wait 2 hours to set it all up again
[21:55] <Sonny_Jim> Suggestions?
[21:55] <Gumby> go back in time and image the card before the corruption happened?
[21:56] <Sonny_Jim> Ok
[21:56] <Gumby> its all I got, sorry
[21:56] <Sonny_Jim> Any SENSIBLE suggestions as to why it keeps on happening
[21:56] <rikkib> Sonny_Jim, Try a different power supply
[21:56] <Gumby> bad power? pulling the SD card out while running?
[21:56] <rikkib> Diffrent SD card
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> I don't see why a different SD card would make any difference, personally
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[21:57] <rikkib> Use a powered hub
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> But I'll try a different PSU, atm I'm just using a USB port to power it
[21:57] <rikkib> Test voltage tp1 - tp2
[21:57] <Gumby> damn, the audio pop is back. arghhhh. thought I had it licked
[21:58] <rikkib> Sould be above 4.75v
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[21:58] <rikkib> Hit it with a hammer
[21:58] <Gumby> hrm, Ive one more theory to test
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[22:00] <rikkib> One person said recently his audio sounded like a demon.
[22:00] <Gumby> lol
[22:00] <Gumby> that was me
[22:00] <rikkib> haha
[22:00] <Gumby> when I tried that gapless script
[22:01] <Gumby> I had set the wrong audio type in part of the script
[22:01] <rikkib> What kernel are you running?
[22:01] <Gumby> or rather, the default was incorrect for the media I was using
[22:02] <Gumby> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[22:02] <Gumby> I tried a few things last night. One, Bodhi Linux for the Pi. No popping noise between tracks, but horrible sound quality.
[22:03] <Gumby> I also try Arch Linux as well, seemed to be ok but I had issues with the OS after following a bad howto
[22:03] <Gumby> the Arch path will need to be revisited
[22:03] <Gumby> its only in Rasbian Wheezy that the popping noise exists frequently between tracks
[22:04] <Gumby> the weird thing is. last night I had it playing on rasbian, no issues. let it play all night, checked in the AM, no problems
[22:04] <rikkib> All RPi base developers need a whack on the wrist I suspect
[22:04] <Gumby> I rebooted, problems
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[22:06] <rikkib> What I am having to do it work on two systems.
[22:06] <rikkib> is
[22:06] <rikkib> 1 with old kernel that does hang in there with motion
[22:06] <rikkib> 2 One I keep fully up to date
[22:07] <rikkib> 1 so I can carry on regardless with other development
[22:07] <rikkib> 2 so I know when things get fixed.
[22:08] <RudeViper> Gumby what size should I make the linux partitions? I've got 500+ gig to play with
[22:08] <biberao> hi
[22:08] <biberao> Datalink: ?
[22:08] <Gumby> RudeViper: you can let ubuntu choose if you like (guided, I believe is the option)
[22:09] <Gumby> how much memory do you have?
[22:09] <RudeViper> 8gb
[22:09] <Gumby> Id probably go 30GB for /, 8GB for swap, and the rest /home
[22:10] <home> no you ont
[22:10] <home> wont
[22:10] <Gumby> you could do a /var partition as well
[22:10] <saturation> hmhm
[22:10] <RudeViper> The instructions say I need to shrink the volume -
[22:10] <saturation> why 8Gb swap?
[22:10] <RudeViper> on the w7 part
[22:10] <Gumby> ah, you have win7 on it already
[22:10] <RudeViper> yeah
[22:11] <Gumby> well, decide how much you want there still
[22:11] <RudeViper> have to have that for a while
[22:11] <Gumby> and please please, just in case. make sure all your important data on windows is backed up
[22:11] <Gumby> before proceeding
[22:11] <RudeViper> just out of curiosity - is there any REAL reason why I should not run this under virtual box?
[22:11] <Gumby> I dont see any
[22:12] <Gumby> not for learning
[22:12] <RudeViper> will I be able to move files between windows and linux like movies etc?
[22:12] <Gumby> yes
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[22:12] <Gumby> it will require some setup of course
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[22:12] <RudeViper> ok I have a Debian VB install - should I dump that?
[22:13] <Gumby> up to you
[22:13] <RudeViper> and go with Ubuntu then to leard
[22:13] <Gumby> you'll learn faster on debian probably
[22:13] <Gumby> lol
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[22:13] <RudeViper> really? cause I have alreadyu
[22:13] <Gumby> Ubuntu does more for you automagically
[22:13] <atouk> why not just use the pi to learn on?
[22:13] <RudeViper> don't want that
[22:13] <Gumby> so your need to learn something is less
[22:13] <Gumby> if you have debian just use that
[22:13] <RudeViper> I want to KNOW how to USE linux -
[22:14] <atouk> and the pi limits that?
[22:14] <Mehhh> Rude, man-pages
[22:14] <Gumby> I think he wants an every day linux desktop to use in place of his desktop
[22:14] <tld> hmm
[22:14] <tld> model B seems like a significant step up?
[22:14] <Gumby> windows desktop
[22:14] <RudeViper> Gumby - ok have Deb 64bit - 2 proc and 1gb of ram - is that enough?
[22:15] <Gumby> RudeViper: plenty
[22:15] <Mehhh> Why didn't he pick a board with more ooooomph
[22:15] <Mehhh> MK802 II
[22:15] <atouk> arm processor with 256 meg is more than enough to lean linux....
[22:15] <RudeViper> I can change it - have a quad with 8 gb
[22:15] <RudeViper> not when you can't get it to work
[22:15] <Gumby> Mehhh: its not that the pi isnt enough. he wants to force himself to learn by freeing himself from windows (as much as possible)
[22:16] <Mehhh> The freescale iMX6 boards are cheap
[22:16] <Mehhh> Ok, so start with ubuntu and keep VMs of WinXP / 8
[22:16] <atouk> sounds like he wants to learn to drive stick, but only if it's in a ferrari
[22:16] <Gumby> lol
[22:17] <atomize> @atouk true that - you while learning linux, it may be beneficial to have processing limitations as once you run in to them amidst trying to accomplish something, one might understand something better about the relationshipo between processing power and computing capabilities in linux
[22:17] <Mehhh> I just don't understand the problem
[22:17] <Mehhh> He could even get a free vps
[22:17] <Gumby> no, he wants to drive stick but he has this auto in his garage that he wants to get rid of first :)
[22:17] <Mehhh> and learn that way
[22:17] <RudeViper> Amen Gumby
[22:18] <Gumby> instead of going cold turkey is is using a patch
[22:18] <Gumby> instead of going cold turkey HE is using a patch
[22:19] <RudeViper> I have to have windows for some things- but I'm going to use linux when I'm not playing the games that require it - and only haVE 1 machine to use for both
[22:19] <atouk> no, you have a pi ;)
[22:19] <Gumby> heh
[22:19] <Gumby> his pi also seems to have a few issues
[22:19] <RudeViper> yeah - won'
[22:19] <Gumby> but that is another story entirely
[22:20] <RudeViper> t play video or sound
[22:20] <RudeViper> lol
[22:20] <Gumby> it "will" you just have to know how to tell it to :)
[22:20] <RudeViper> true
[22:21] <RudeViper> but trying to find the information while working with it is SLOW - and the fact so much of those pages have Flash on them
[22:21] <Gumby> the guys here are somewhat correct, you could learn on your pi without the need for any other linux distro. But I get where you're coming from as well wanting to use linux as a daily driver to try and ween yourself away from windows
[22:22] <RudeViper> a good tech should know BOTH -
[22:22] <Gumby> use a flash blocker in your browser
[22:22] <RudeViper> I know windows - now it's time to learn a REAL OS
[22:22] <Mehhh> Windows is a real OS
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[22:22] <Mehhh> in fact, the fastest cloud platform is powered by Windows
[22:23] <Mehhh> gg
[22:23] <Mehhh> Let the hate flow through you
[22:23] <RudeViper> I hate the price and the limitations
[22:23] <atouk> lets, see. wants linux based, as much memory and cores as possible, video and sound, refuses to walk before flying (don't explain to me how it works, just tell me how to do it).. Ladies and gentlemen, i present to you our prototype mac user.
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[22:23] <Gumby> lmao
[22:23] <Mehhh> rofllll
[22:23] <Gumby> s/linux/unix
[22:24] <Mehhh> he should start with a free linux VPS
[22:24] <RudeViper> nope - I wouldn't own a Mac
[22:24] <Mehhh> prob ubuntu or deb
[22:24] <RudeViper> Debian
[22:24] <Gumby> why when he can run something in virtual box?
[22:24] <RudeViper> just got to solve a small file sharing issue first
[22:24] <atouk> (I wouldn't own a mac) ok, rude just gained 10 experience/iq points
[22:24] <Mehhh> because of being able to understand without X and remote
[22:25] <Mehhh> headless, etc
[22:25] <Gumby> I'd own a Mac. But only second hand and OSX would come off of it within an hour of me owning it
[22:25] <Mehhh> Unless OSX had Py 3.3 support stock, nope.
[22:25] <atouk> what small file sharing issue?
[22:25] <Gumby> Mehhh: thats not too hard. just dont install X
[22:26] <Mehhh> That's easy for you to say, but not for him to understand
[22:26] <Mehhh> the other thing is
[22:26] <Mehhh> on a vps
[22:26] <Mehhh> you can have them erase the node
[22:26] <Mehhh> instantly
[22:26] <Mehhh> how many people have installed linux 3215435434 times in vms?
[22:26] <Mehhh> hours and hours wasted
[22:26] <atouk> lets see if we can talk him through his pi issues (looks at channel name)
[22:26] <Gumby> install once
[22:26] <Gumby> take a snapshot
[22:27] <Gumby> done
[22:27] <Mehhh> Not really, I assume he's running a HDD
[22:27] <RudeViper> not on pi
[22:27] <Mehhh> He can't compete on his home system
[22:27] <Mehhh> vs
[22:27] <Mehhh> a vps
[22:27] <Mehhh> Even in terms of management for the first steps
[22:27] * Gumby shakes his head.
[22:28] <Mehhh> or ease of use
[22:28] <Gumby> needless in my opinion, but you're entitled to yours
[22:28] <Mehhh> I'm just looking at the amount of variables, not the depth of each.
[22:29] <Gumby> RudeViper: as atouk suggested, why not work on fixing your pi. you WILL learn as you do that
[22:29] <atouk> isn't this raspberry pi channel?
[22:29] <Gumby> RudeViper: use putty from windows (or if you prefer, boot the ubuntu liveCD and use the desktop there)
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[22:30] <RudeViper> because pi is extremely slow and has some issues - need to understand some of the basics to fix that
[22:30] <Gumby> you CAN use Ubuntu without installing it
[22:30] <RudeViper> why I have debian in a vbox
[22:30] <Gumby> ok, use debian
[22:30] <Gumby> works as well
[22:30] <Gumby> fire up that VM, fire up the Pi, ssh into the Pi
[22:30] <atouk> rude, you haven't even started to learn ls, cp, mv, mkdir, sudo, etc. how can you already be complaining about speed?
[22:30] <RudeViper> ad th pi is based on debian - rightA?
[22:31] <RudeViper> actually I do know those commands
[22:31] <RudeViper> not everything yet though
[22:31] <Gumby> atouk: even if we work on his pi we are really working on #debian and not #raspberrypi :)
[22:31] <atouk> then i'm sure that the pis is a lot faster than you can read through a good linux book and play along
[22:32] <Gumby> or #linux hehe
[22:32] <Mehhh> BodhiLinux runs fairly well on Pi
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[22:32] <Gumby> I tried Bodhi last night. Using mpg123 was a horrible experience on it
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[22:33] <Gumby> sound quality was horrid
[22:33] <Gumby> but then again, Ive been having sound issues everywhere
[22:33] <Mehhh> For pi?
[22:33] <Gumby> yes, for pi
[22:33] <Mehhh> LOL, sound on pi
[22:33] <Mehhh> Sorry i never even thought to use it
[22:34] <Gumby> why use bodhi then? (and its desktop)
[22:34] <Mehhh> Programming
[22:34] <Mehhh> sublime text 2 + E17 + py3 = dream
[22:34] <Gumby> LOL, video on a pi
[22:34] <Gumby> Sorry i never even thought to use it
[22:34] <Mehhh> You're right, I don't use it for that
[22:34] <Mehhh> File / dev serv
[22:35] <Mehhh> The MK802 is better at everything else
[22:35] <Mehhh> for my needs
[22:35] <RudeViper> the isn't a #linux on here that I can find
[22:36] <Gumby> my needs are few. NIC, audio output, runs linux, audio doesnt pop between tracks
[22:36] <RudeViper> and #Debian appears to DEAD right now
[22:36] <Gumby> RudeViper: your best bet is to not ask there
[22:36] <Gumby> they'll more than linkely just say something like RTFM
[22:36] <Gumby> likely
[22:37] <Gumby> Mehhh: I've found Arch to run quite fast on the Pi
[22:37] <RudeViper> not likely - I am almost certain they would
[22:37] <Mehhh> Arch is ok, but I use a script for all my base installs
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[22:37] <Mehhh> which is easier to manage on deb based
[22:37] <Mehhh> that way i can dev on any platform
[22:38] <RudeViper> In fact years ago when I was "playing with linux" trying to repurpose and old machine - I think I was told that a multitude of times
[22:38] <Mehhh> Bodhi also maintains the best versions of E17 and E configs of any distro
[22:38] <RudeViper> but MOST of the people on here are alot nicer and tend to help and not ridicule those of us who are just starting - but even here there a few
[22:39] <Mehhh> Maybe they think you're rude
[22:39] <RudeViper> "SUPERIOR" beings that look down their noses at those who don't know as much as them
[22:39] <Gumby> there are a lot of those everywhere in life
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[22:40] <RudeViper> The name was in fact EARNED - but not the way you just implied sir
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[22:40] <saturation> Mehhh: sublime text2 is for linux too?
[22:40] <atouk> lets get back on topic. he has a pi. it isn't working. does he want help getting it running...
[22:40] <Mehhh> Yeh
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[22:41] <saturation> why not vim? :)
[22:41] <saturation> or emacs
[22:41] <Mehhh> because they aren't as fast for certain things
[22:41] <Mehhh> sorry, outdated
[22:41] <Mehhh> no thumbnail code selection
[22:41] <Mehhh> no multi-page hotkey settings on the fly
[22:41] <UnaClock_> I always liked "edit" in Windows.. Wish I could find an edittor just like that in *nix..
[22:41] <RudeViper> yes - lets do this first - speed - what can I do to get rid of all the junk that slows it down and make it easier to search info out?
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[22:42] <Mehhh> no python console stock, no git / stackoverflow stock acting plugins
[22:42] * atouk shrugs and wanders off to check storm news
[22:42] <Mehhh> No portability among configs for running on a server via JSON based settings
[22:42] <Gumby> RudeViper: are you running the desktop on the pi?
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[22:43] <saturation> :)
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[22:43] <UnaClock_> I need to write a python server/client for my LAN that can exchange variables between different Pi.. Getting that deep into Python seems to be a PITA..
[22:43] <RudeViper> not at the moment - I am stting it back up right now - had to change locations
[22:43] <Mehhh> How so Una?
[22:43] <Mehhh> Just pass it with the command python...
[22:44] <Mehhh> remotely
[22:44] <Gumby> RudeViper: my suggestions, dont use the pi to find your answers, use your desktop. ssh to your pi and copy/paste the commands you find using your desktop into your ssh console
[22:44] <Gumby> much faster
[22:44] <RudeViper> brb need this network cable for pi
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[22:44] <Gumby> using the pi to find the answers to * will more than likely be a lesson in frustration
[22:44] <UnaClock_> Not following you there.. I need a python program running on one pi to ask a python program on another Pi for a variable (say an 8 bit number)...
[22:45] <atouk> one way? and how often?
[22:47] <UnaClock_> One way would be fine, probably once every minute or so.. 30 seconds minimum, I imagine.
[22:47] <Mehhh> uhhh una
[22:47] <Mehhh> you could easily use
[22:47] <Mehhh> bash/ssh or smbus
[22:47] <Mehhh> Plus there are multiple projects that aren't arch specific on git already
[22:48] <Mehhh> for something in use for say... 50 pis
[22:48] <UnaClock_> hehe, every time I ask a dificult question about python, people tell me to use bash.. ;)
[22:48] <atouk> keep it simple. pi1 writes to file, pi2 reads from file
[22:48] <Mehhh> It's not difficult
[22:48] <Mehhh> it's just more simple
[22:48] <Mehhh> You want to make something complicated that is not
[22:48] <Mehhh> You'
[22:48] <UnaClock_> atouk: Mmm, hey.. That'd be pretty simple..
[22:48] <Mehhh> You'll take a perf hit
[22:49] <Mehhh> for no reason
[22:49] <UnaClock_> performance isn't an issue, I'm building an embedded device..
[22:49] <Mehhh> Yes, yes it is
[22:49] <Mehhh> as you would know if you searched github already
[22:49] <Mehhh> and the py raspi forum sections
[22:50] <UnaClock_> Ok.. Well thanks for the suggestion atouk, I may just go that route.
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[22:51] <atouk> it also gives you a hradcopy list of the data in case you a history for whatever reason
[22:51] <UnaClock_> Graph the changes over time.. Yeah..
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[22:53] <RudeViper> well - I am back - having a problem with the composite video - won't fit right on screen - can't log into it cause can't see it
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[22:57] <RudeViper> using composite video the bottom two or three lines of the screen are cut off - meaning where you type in commands = interetsting
[22:57] <Gumby> RudeViper: ssh man ssh
[22:58] <RudeViper> I don't know how - that was what we were talking about last night remember
[22:58] <Gumby> do your desktop and pi both have network connectivity?
[22:58] <UnaClock_> Overscan settings in the config.txt
[22:59] <RudeViper> thank you
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[23:01] <RudeViper> UnaClock_ That worked thanks
[23:01] <UnaClock_> :)
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[23:02] <Gumby> you fixed the overscan issue but you dont know how to use ssh?
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[23:02] <RudeViper> raspi-config
[23:02] <RudeViper> lol
[23:02] <Sonny_Jim> Is it possible to underclock the Pi, so I could extend battery life? Or will it be counter productive?
[23:03] <Milos> yes
[23:03] <Milos> it can be done
[23:03] <Milos> just give it a lower clock :)
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> Cool
[23:03] <UnaClocker> ssh isn't built into windows, a lot of people aren't familiar with it..
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> I've got a RC UBEC and a battery pack with 4 x 2000mAh batteries
[23:03] <Milos> Sonny_Jim, it might not give you a lot of extra battery life but it might give you some.
[23:03] <UnaClocker> Now if they all had Mac's.. ;) ssh is built into that.. heheh
[23:03] <RudeViper> ok - is there a way to irc without runnin startx?
[23:04] <UnaClocker> RudeViper: ircii
[23:04] <RudeViper> I assume I have to install it first?
[23:04] <UnaClocker> Yeah, sudo apt-get install ircii may do the trick..
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[23:04] <RudeViper> did that
[23:04] <Gumby> RudeViper: why use the desktop on the Pi? Why not connect remotely to the Pi from your desktop. Then you will not have the speed issues on the Pi
[23:05] <RudeViper> what about a web browser?
[23:05] <Gumby> use your desktop PC for that
[23:05] <RudeViper> ok Gumby how do I do that?
[23:05] <UnaClocker> Web browser without X??? Ugg??? No, you don't want to go there.
[23:05] <Gumby> you are on your desktop right now?
[23:05] <Gumby> your desktop PC using windows?
[23:06] <RudeViper> my laptop - but I have a desktop in front of me
[23:06] <RudeViper> I can flip to that easy
[23:06] <Gumby> either way, fire up the debian VM you were talking about
[23:06] * RudeViper is now known as RudeViper|Laptop
[23:06] <atouk> two words, css
[23:06] <UnaClocker> If you must web browse from a text console, we used to use "lynx" 20 years ago...
[23:06] <UnaClocker> Nearly 20, anyways..
[23:07] <Gumby> I'm trying to get him to NOT use the Pi as a main PC and connect to the Pi using ssh from his desktop pc or laptop
[23:07] <Gumby> he is having issues with the Pi's desktop speed, web browsing etc
[23:07] <Gumby> so remove that from the equation
[23:07] <UnaClocker> Gumby: Why? I use it as a PC when I'm feeling??? umm, what's the word for wanting to hurt yourself?
[23:08] <UnaClocker> heheh, just kidding..
[23:08] <Gumby> hehe
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[23:08] <UnaClocker> Really though, I have it hooked to my 47" TV and I find that's a great way to teach Arduino programming..
[23:09] <UnaClocker> Easy for all to see.. Takes like 3 minutes to compile the blink sketch...
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[23:09] <Gumby> I'm sure it is
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[23:09] <d3nd3> hi all
[23:09] <d3nd3> i just installed quake3, any servers ?
[23:09] <Gumby> the issuewith RudeViper|Laptop is that he is trying to learn basic commands and how to do "stuff" (like fix audio/video) so he is browsing websites etc. From the Pi, this is slow for him
[23:10] <UnaClocker> Does sound work in Q3 yet? Last time I tried it, back in like June, it was kinda boring playing it silently..
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[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> Hurrpmh
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[23:12] <Sonny_Jim> unable to read file triggers file
[23:12] <Gumby> RudeViper|Laptop: hows it coming ?
[23:12] <RudeViper|Laptop> oops gotta put a chat on desktop - lol
[23:14] <Gumby> perhaps I am assuming too much here. RudeViper|Laptop, do you have separate audio/video peripherals for your Pi and PC?
[23:14] <RudeViper|Laptop> yes
[23:14] <Gumby> ok good
[23:14] <RudeViper|Laptop> I am not EXACTLY a n00b - just not familiar with Linux at all
[23:15] <Gumby> get an IRC client installed on your desktop
[23:15] <RudeViper|Laptop> working on it
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[23:15] <Gumby> and when I say desktop I mean PC
[23:15] <Gumby> hehe
[23:15] <Gumby> your home computer
[23:15] <RudeViper|Laptop> yeah
[23:15] <home> stop pinging me
[23:15] <Gumby> lol
[23:15] <home> RudeViper|Laptop: you area noob
[23:15] <home> RudeViper|Laptop: and its a good thing
[23:16] <d3nd3> yeah sound works
[23:16] <Mehhh> Rude, are you a Windows CLI / batch newb?
[23:16] <Mehhh> If not, get a conversion chart
[23:16] <RudeViper|Laptop> lol - couldn't figure out how to install it from X - had to go to terminal
[23:17] <Mehhh> granted, commands like bitadmin aren't the same or available
[23:17] <RudeViper|Laptop> what the heck is that?
[23:17] <Gumby> RudeViper|Laptop: install what?
[23:17] <RudeViper|Laptop> it's installing - brb - going to grab a smoke while it does
[23:18] <Gumby> I'm guessing an IRC client in his Debian VM
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[23:22] <PCLine_> Digital TV Frame... Check that one off my list.
[23:23] <PCLine_> Hello everyone.
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[23:26] <RudeViper> Ok - I am in on the desktop
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[23:27] <RudeViper> Gumby, I am on Destop and pi is fired up
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[23:27] <Gumby> lol
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[23:28] <RudeViper> wow
[23:28] <Gumby> wb chuck
[23:28] <RudeViper> I was in term mode running xchat and closed term window - dummy
[23:28] <RudeViper> lol
[23:29] <Gumby> ok, do you know your Pi's IP address (and have you enabled SSH in raspi-config)
[23:30] <RudeViper> have to check 2nd part
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[23:31] <d3nd3> quake 3 at window mode ? my fullscreen quake3 is not scaled/positioned correctly , i am connected through hdmi on a widescreen tv
[23:31] <d3nd3> r_fullscreen 0 not functioning
[23:31] <RudeViper> ok ssh is enabled on pi - what is command to use on pi to get ip?
[23:32] <linuxstb> Anyone know how many codec license keys you can have in the same config file (comma-separated for the same codec).?
[23:32] <linuxstb> RudeViper: /sbin/ifconfig will show it
[23:32] <d3nd3> @Rude ifconfig
[23:35] <RudeViper> ok got that -
[23:35] <RudeViper> thanks
[23:37] <Gumby> you got the IP?
[23:38] <Gumby> on the debian VM open a console/terminal and do ssh pi@your.pis.ip
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[23:43] <Hexxeh> ubuntu on nexus 7, well damn this is fun.
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[23:44] <RudeViper> cool - I am in
[23:44] <RudeViper> I assume this is going to be ALOT faster
[23:45] <Gumby> indeed
[23:45] <Gumby> you could have even skipped the VM part and used a windows ssh client called Putty
[23:45] <Hexxeh> also testing teh_orph's fast X stuff today :D
[23:46] <RudeViper> I know - but I would prefer to just be using one OS at a time - don't want to confuse things running windows and linux while I try to lear linux
[23:46] <RudeViper> god my typing sucks lately
[23:48] <RudeViper> Taking notes
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[23:50] <RudeViper> ok - sound works with composite video - but video still doesn't work
[23:51] <RudeViper> and neither aduio or video work in hdmi
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