#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-29

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[0:00] <agrif> nid0: no luck, but I just discovered the nfsrootdebug option so I'm trying with that now
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[0:01] <cyclick> anyone found a fix for the popping/clicking sound every time you start or stop to play a sound on the analog output?
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[0:04] <TheSeven> play silence all the time?
[0:05] <Armand> Harsh. :P
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[0:06] <Gumby> cyclick: I did,
[0:06] <Gumby> install arch linux
[0:07] <TheSeven> that output is a filtered pwm
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[0:07] <Gumby> TheSeven: playing silence wouldnt work. the pop exists whether there is audio or not ;)
[0:07] <Armand> I just wondered why the heck all the KDE stuff was running on my Pi.. until I realised I was on the wrong terminal. -_-
[0:08] <TheSeven> I'd assume that the pwm output drops to 0% duty cycle instead of staying at 50% while not playing anything
[0:08] <TheSeven> which means it's being driven all the way negative (and balance out after some time because of the output cap)
[0:09] <TheSeven> and then when starting playback again it will pop again (and briefly have distortion) because it jumps back to 50% and the cap is not at the right voltage level yet
[0:09] <TheSeven> Gumby: why would playing silence not work? wouldn't that prevent the hardware from starting/stopping (and thus popping) at all?
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[0:15] <agrif> nid0: ok I got it to boot, I had to add 'tcp' to the mount options. for some reason udp wasn't working
[0:15] <agrif> thanks for your help though
[0:15] <Gumby> the issue happens when closing and opening a track. so regardless of what is being played, as soon as you go from one track to another there is a pop (or two)
[0:15] <TheSeven> even if something else is playing silence in parallel?
[0:16] <Gumby> ah I see what you mean. play silence + whatever it is you want to hear
[0:16] <TheSeven> yes
[0:16] <TheSeven> to prevent the audio hardware from shutting down
[0:16] <Gumby> that I dont know. could be easily tested even without silence
[0:17] <_yac_> installing stuff in debian is usually as easy as apt-get install xyz && nano /etc/defaults/xyz && service start xyz (all as root)
[0:17] <cyclick> thanks gumby
[0:17] <Gumby> cyclick: no problem. TheSeven's option may work too
[0:17] <mervaka> you guys got somewhere where i can start reading up how to strip back a kernel, without making reference to combine harvesters? :/
[0:17] <Gumby> www.kernel.org ?
[0:17] <G[3z]> what can i be that makes network so slow it's unusable until unplug and replug the cable ? then get 10 in of good speed and than i get to replug again ? any clues ?
[0:18] <mervaka> never really compiled a kernel before.
[0:18] <cyclick> I dont really want to constantly play silence ... isnt there an option to disable powwer saving with the bcm2835? I couldnt find one
[0:19] <TheSeven> well constantly playing silence is basically disabling power saving
[0:19] <Gumby> cyclick: should be pretty easy. just create a service at boot that does it. should not take up much resources at all.
[0:19] <TheSeven> just that you're moving the silence playback from the driver to userspace
[0:21] <cyclick> Gumby, does arch linux also use alsa? does it use pulse audio?
[0:21] <Gumby> the issue doesn't exist in BodhiLinux either, but I was hearing horrible audio quality in Bodhi and anytime I tried to adjust volumes via alsa the audio went all distorted
[0:21] <Gumby> cyclick: yes, it uses alsa
[0:21] <cyclick> I tried to install pulseaudio on raspbian, but it didnt change anything
[0:22] <Gumby> its probably not alsa, its probably the audio driver
[0:22] <cyclick> ok
[0:22] <Gumby> the raspian devs apparently know it is an issue, its just lower on their priority list
[0:22] <Gumby> can't recall where I read that
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[0:23] <TheSeven> does anyone know the pwm frequency of that audio output?
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[0:24] <cyclick> Gumby, I found this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/128 .. someone says that he is using MPD to play sounds and he doesnt get the issue
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[0:25] <Gumby> cyclick: interesting
[0:25] <cyclick> maybe I will try that first if it doesnt need too many dependencies
[0:25] <Gumby> similar to what TheSeven is talking about I believe (but its over my head)
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[0:27] <Gumby> there is also a gapless playback script available but that is quite a hack
[0:27] <Gumby> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20445
[0:28] <Gumby> about half way down
[0:28] <Gumby> however I had mixed results with that. I'd hear a pop every now and then
[0:28] <RudeViper> is there any way to make the pi auto sense HDMI and composite with RaspBMC and have display accordingly? Or do I have reinstall each time?
[0:29] <Gumby> you should never have to reinstall as long as you learn how to fix the problem :)
[0:29] <RudeViper> that is why I am asking
[0:29] <Gumby> so the answer is yes, there is a way. and no, you dont have to reinstall
[0:29] <Gumby> :)
[0:29] <Gumby> I dont know the actual solution to the problem though
[0:29] <Gumby> :)
[0:30] <Gumby> define "reinstall"?
[0:30] <cyclick> Gumby, ok I will try MPD first then it doesnt require much, only 2mb
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[0:30] <RudeViper> I had it set up on the composite 20 inch tv - which turned out to be CRAP - so I put it on the 32 inch tv with hdmi and all I get is top left corner of screen
[0:31] <Gumby> cyclick: cool. I might give that a shot too since I'd rather use debian/ubuntu as oposed to Arch. Although I must say, the pi boots much faster in arch
[0:31] <G[3z]> is there a place to check for RpI known issues ?
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[0:31] <RudeViper> Reload the sd card with the basic files and then reboot and have it go through the process all over again whenever I move the pi
[0:32] <cyclick> G[3z]: here is some https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues
[0:32] <G[3z]> tnx
[0:33] <cyclick> Gumby, never tried arch linux... fast boot is good, might be more efficient
[0:33] <Gumby> RudeViper: you're using raspbmc ?
[0:34] <RudeViper> Gumby, yes
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[0:37] <G[3z]> this network thing is killing me, can it be related to power source ?
[0:37] <_yac_> it's going to be very interesting to see how well the rpi fares, hopefully at least bcm seem better than realtek when it comes to the way they design chips and drivers
[0:39] <RudeViper> I would like to find a way to get my netgear wireless usb unit to work - but gotta solve some other issues first
[0:39] <Gumby> RudeViper: I dont have raspbmc at the moment but you might try running /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s and seeing what the output is
[0:39] <Gumby> just based on some googling I've just done
[0:40] <RudeViper> from the command line right?
[0:40] <cyclick> Any chances to see Windows RT on RPi ?
[0:40] <Gumby> RudeViper: correct
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[0:41] <RudeViper> ok as soon as I can get into it- changeing some stuff in the gui first
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[0:43] <elpuri> anybody had luck with decoding video frames to an EGL image using OpenMAX?
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[0:45] <cyclick> to answer my own question: "Will it run the new Windows 8 ARM version? We are not partners with Microsoft, and their support would be required for porting Windows 8."
[0:46] <plugwash> i'd imagine that the chances of win8 arm getting on the Pi are substantially smaller than the chances of hell freezing over
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[0:48] <Gumby> damn, I need more SD cards
[0:48] <Gumby> hehe
[0:49] <Gumby> constantly writing images to SD is a waste of time
[0:49] <ksa> just buy them ready with image :P
[0:49] <G[3z]> mmm i feel dumb, changing cable seems to have fixed my network issue :(
[0:50] <Gumby> G[3z]: as you should!
[0:50] <Gumby> j/k :)
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[0:50] <cyclick> Gumby, You can have the kernel on the SD card, and have the rest of the system on NFS
[0:58] <cyclick> (or usb, etc)
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[1:05] <RudeViper> ok - here is a really stange question - how do I get out of the raspbmc gui and get to text command line - lol?
[1:05] <Gumby> cyclick: did you try mpd? I havent ever used it before and can't seem to get it working
[1:05] <Gumby> RudeViper: ctrl+alt+f2 (of maybe f3.f4 etc)
[1:05] <Gumby> I believe that should work
[1:05] <Gumby> or, you can ssh in
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[1:11] <Gumby> lol, he wont know how to get back to his desktop
[1:14] <Gumby> ah, figured out mpd
[1:14] <cyclick> Gumby, I did and I'm getting this error: Failed to bind to '[::]:6600': Failed to create socket: Address family not supported by protocol
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[1:15] <Gumby> cyclick: yeah that is fine, it binds to localhost (as shown later in the same message, for me at least)
[1:16] <cyclick> Gumby, it doesnt tell me it successfully binded anywhere but I guess I need to try to play something now.. not sure how to use it yet
[1:16] <Gumby> install mpc as well
[1:16] <Gumby> its a daemon/client type setup
[1:17] <cyclick> ok thanks
[1:17] <Gumby> I haven't quite figured out how to listen to anything yet, but I have the client at least able to query the daemon now
[1:18] <RudeViper> oh well -I screwed something up on the GUI so now I'll have to red the damned thing any way
[1:18] <cyclick> that is a strange setup to be able to play stuff locally but if it works, thats good
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[1:20] <Benighted> anyone here running rom collection browser on openelec?
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[1:24] <RudeViper> Is there even an OS version that actually works right straight from the start?
[1:25] <Gumby> they all "work right" . no offence RudeViper, but don't mistake ignorance for something not working right
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[1:27] <RudeViper> Gumby, I mean right out of the box - not having to tweak this or that? I know the two I have tried do work - but they have to be messed with - I'm just wondering if there is one that is actually plug and play. I'm just curious - I don't want it - I'm just wondering if there is one.
[1:27] <Gumby> RudeViper: there isnt ever an OS that is all things to everyone. So, the answer really is no
[1:28] <RudeViper> ok
[1:28] <Gumby> your expectations differ from mine, from cyclick's etc.
[1:28] <Gumby> also keep in mind that you're working with something relatively green as far as its maturity goes
[1:28] <cyclick> there is problems with 100% of software unfortunately
[1:29] <Gumby> and also wanting to push the pi to its limits
[1:29] <RudeViper> I actually like the Raspbmc - I just screwed mine up playing with it
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[1:29] <RudeViper> lol - that's me - trying to push it
[1:29] <Gumby> I'm pretty sure the pi wasn't designed to be running xbmc :)
[1:29] <ReggieUK> why?
[1:30] <ReggieUK> the broadcom chip in the pi is in the roku which is.......
[1:30] <ReggieUK> a media player
[1:30] <Gumby> I'm not saying it cant
[1:30] <Gumby> or shouldnt
[1:30] <RudeViper> ok - maybe it's my card - I can't even format it
[1:30] <Gumby> I'm saying that probably wasn't high on the list of what it can/cant do when being designed
[1:31] <ReggieUK> you're right though it wasn't designed to be running xbmc specifically but giving us h264 decoding out of the box hinted very badly that it could do that kind of thing
[1:31] <Gumby> just running xbmc uses almost all the cpu power for one (in raspxbmc at least)
[1:32] <ReggieUK> sure but that's because there isn't any 2d acelleration for the 'desktop'
[1:32] <RudeViper> I really like the raspian - but since Adobe isn't going to support flash for linux any more - I'm kinda pissed about that
[1:32] <ReggieUK> hd video however is a breeze on the pi because it's got a hardware decoder in it
[1:32] <Gumby> sure, hd video... not xbmc ;)
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[1:34] <ReggieUK> it was only a few codecs short of being a decent xbmc target and they obviously left the door open there as we can now buy those extra codecs
[1:34] <RudeViper> It seems to work
[1:35] <ReggieUK> hopefully when the 2d acelleration gets sorted out, xbmc will be nicer to work with
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[1:36] <RudeViper> ok - I guess the card reader on my main computer is gorked
[1:36] <cyclick> ReggieUK, the driver is missing the 2d acceleration?
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[1:38] <ReggieUK> there isn't any 2d acceleration for X on the pi
[1:38] <ReggieUK> there is probably useful stuff in opengl, some part of the gpu but at this moment, all the 2d desktop style stuff is all done by the cpu
[1:39] <ReggieUK> someone is working hard on getting it up and running
[1:40] <cyclick> cool, so there is a chance for X to become very responsive
[1:40] <RudeViper> Now I am not asking how it was done - but I am wondering if anyone has been able to clean up composite video on older tv's. Text is extremely difficult to read. And yes I know that is normal - I'm just wondering if there is a fix before I go and look for one
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[1:46] <RudeViper> Cool - I just recovered 3 sd cards my main computer said were no good - lol - now I guess I can play with both versions now
[1:47] <cyclick> RudeViper, make the text bigger?
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[1:50] <RudeViper> cyclick, I haven't figured out how yet - I am going to be moving it around between my HD tv and a couple of others - so I need to figure how to make it autosense and adjust between hd and composite and set resolution for all of them..... BIG project I think - lol - One of them is like a 60 inch
[1:50] <RudeViper> But it is fun to play with... Kept me busy for the last 3 or 4 days - gereat for someone disabled like me
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[1:51] <atouk> rude is a disability ;)
[1:52] <RudeViper> Thank You - I earned it - lol
[1:52] <atouk> or is it the viper part
[1:52] <RudeViper> teheeee
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[1:55] <valkaiser> RudeViper: The readibility of the text over composite video is majorly affected by how good the luma/chroma filter is in the TV. The RasPi is difficult to read on my old CRT TV, but I also have an ancient composite monitor (green on black) that displays text from the RasPi quite crisply and legibly.
[1:55] <cyclick> RudeViper, that is a completetly different problem
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[1:56] <Leestons> I found it difficult(ish) to read on my lcd tv
[1:56] <Gumby> cyclick: finally figured out mpd/mpd
[1:56] <Gumby> mpd/mpc
[1:57] <Gumby> have it playing now, just waiting to see what happens in between tracks
[1:57] <RudeViper> So simply changing the resolution should at least clean it up. It was WAY to small earlier - ok I will see if I figure out a way to do that. Thanks
[1:57] <Gumby> it may be more than resolution
[1:57] <cyclick> Gumby, I havent had a chance to finish.. let me know if it works
[1:57] <Gumby> actually, almost certainly it is
[1:58] <Gumby> mpd might work perfect for what I need, however Arch still boots much faster which is a major plus too
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[1:59] <Gumby> cyclick: no pop between tracks thus far
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[1:59] <valkaiser> RudeViper: You can also change the font size for your terminal. I use tmux for most of my terminal fun, and it has a switch for font size. 14pt made a big difference for me.
[2:00] <cyclick> good Gumby
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[2:09] <valkaiser> RudeViper: The font type itself also makes a difference. An anti-aliased font (often the default) will look fuzzier since it adds shaded pixels for smoothness, which increases the bleedover effect from the composite signal.
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[2:16] <RudeViper> ok thanks - I will see if I can find the adjustments
[2:17] <RudeViper> Great - keyboard isn't working on the hub but mouse does - lol
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[2:24] <RudeViper> This is strange -Keyboard works for a few minutes and then it stops working
[2:26] <atouk> batteries?
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[2:27] <RudeViper> no it's a plug in - I think the hub is shot- it;s an old one
[2:29] <RudeViper> Oh man - RaspBMC has JDownloader - cool
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[2:51] <Louis11> I setup my raspberry pi, with arch. I've got SSH running, but it seems after a few minutes of inactivity ssh is no longer accessible - any clue what's going on?
[2:52] <Milos> What makes you think it's no longer accessible?
[2:53] <Milos> What happens, do you get "Connection timed out" or, what?
[2:54] <Louis11> Well I can no longer send commands over ssh. Any subsequent connection attempts fail.
[2:54] <Milos> How do they fail, you have to be specific otherwise we won't get anywhere.
[2:54] <Louis11> ah true. Well immediately after it stops responding during an active ssh, I get "Write Failed: Broken pipe". Next attempt is a timeout
[2:55] <Milos> Hmm. Is the pi still running and not frozen, or crashed?
[2:55] <Louis11> yup, still running. I can go interact with it
[2:55] <Louis11> as in, I can use the attached keyboard
[2:56] <Milos> Interesting.
[2:56] <Milos> Verify that ethernet is still up?
[2:56] <Milos> Well, I assume you're using ethernet, right?
[2:56] <Louis11> wifi, and as far as i can tell it's still up
[2:56] <Milos> What are you doing to test?
[2:57] <Louis11> I can ping servers from the pi
[2:57] <Louis11> to be quite honest, it seems like he pi is going to "sleep"
[2:57] <Milos> Can you ping that machine that got broken pipe?
[2:57] <Louis11> yes
[2:57] <Milos> And you still can't use SSH from it?
[2:58] <Louis11> when I interact with the pi directly, yes I can
[2:58] <Louis11> but after a few minutes, ssh breaks again. I guess a better question, how can I keep ssh accessible?
[2:58] <Milos> It's basically known for always working :P
[2:59] <Louis11> lol
[2:59] <Milos> Check your messages log.
[2:59] <Louis11> driving me crazy
[2:59] <Louis11> ./var/logs?
[2:59] <Milos> Try /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog.
[2:59] <Milos> tail -n 240 /var/log/messages
[2:59] <Milos> tail -n 240 /var/log/syslog
[3:00] <Milos> The -n 240 is just to make it spit out the last 240 lines instead of the last 10.
[3:00] <Louis11> hm, looks like the pi isn't up???. lights on but no response when I interact with it directly
[3:00] <Louis11> just a black screen...
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[3:01] <Milos> What lights are on?
[3:01] <Louis11> power is red, and act is green periodically
[3:01] <Milos> If the pi is NOT frozen you should see the OK or ACT LED blink once a second.
[3:01] <Louis11> yea, it's blinking green
[3:02] <Milos> If you type something on the keyboard, does it still not show anything?
[3:02] <Louis11> nope. But it looks like the blinking is not consistent
[3:02] <Louis11> power supply issue maybe?
[3:03] <Milos> From the sounds of it, that's likely.
[3:03] <Milos> Because they issues you're experiencing don't seem common.
[3:03] <Tachyon`> teh OK LED shows SD access
[3:03] <Tachyon`> bear in mind
[3:03] <Tachyon`> so the blinking may not be regular
[3:03] <Louis11> ah, yea it's pretty irregular but it's blinking. Just nothing on the screen
[3:03] <Milos> Yeah - although at idle it should blink once a second.
[3:03] <Tachyon`> is the HDMI all the way in
[3:04] <Tachyon`> if it's even half a mm out on mine, no picture
[3:04] <Louis11> let me check
[3:04] <Tachyon`> you'd also have to reboot as it's only detected at boot time
[3:04] <Louis11> yea it's in all the way
[3:04] <Tachyon`> ah okay
[3:04] <Tachyon`> has it ever wroked?
[3:04] <Louis11> yea
[3:04] <Tachyon`> ah right
[3:05] <Louis11> it works on bootup, then seems to go into a "sleep" mode or something
[3:05] <Milos> Tachyon`, unless the config.txt option is set.
[3:05] <Tachyon`> well, yes, but it isn't by default
[3:05] <Milos> But I doubt that has been in this case.
[3:05] <Tachyon`> which is why I didn't mention it
[3:05] <Louis11> typically I can interact with it, and "wake it up" . . . but not now :/
[3:05] <Tachyon`> yeah, probably PSU issue
[3:05] <Milos> Tachyon`, I think it sholud be default for many reasons.
[3:05] <Louis11> would it be practical to try my iphone charger?
[3:05] <Tachyon`> I used my android phone charger and it was fine
[3:05] <Milos> It won't do any damage, go for it.
[3:05] <Louis11> alright
[3:05] <Tachyon`> but doesn't the iphone use a stupid connector
[3:06] <Tachyon`> my ipod touch does
[3:06] <Milos> USB?
[3:06] <Tachyon`> no, it's some apple connector, very long
[3:06] <Milos> Yes... you remove it.
[3:06] <Tachyon`> eh?
[3:06] <Louis11> yea i just ripped it out
[3:06] <Milos> And you plug in your own USB cable.
[3:06] <Louis11> the charger has a slot for usb
[3:06] <Milos> :)
[3:06] <Tachyon`> oh, mine didn't
[3:06] <Tachyon`> mus tbe the newer ones
[3:06] <Louis11> ah, my old chargers don't
[3:06] <Milos> I dunno mine's 2 years old now.
[3:06] <Tachyon`> only idevice I own is an old ipod touch (second generation)
[3:07] <Milos> Haha.
[3:07] <Tachyon`> and I only own that because it was free
[3:07] <Tachyon`> (broken touchscreen but that was a cheap replacement, 9 quid actually)
[3:07] <Louis11> heh
[3:07] <Louis11> alright, booted just fine??? now to wait i guess
[3:07] <Tachyon`> you might want to link out the polyfuse naer the power if it's causing problems
[3:07] <Tachyon`> it certainly did here
[3:08] <Louis11> polyfuse?
[3:08] <Tachyon`> yeah, it starts to restrict the current at 750mA so if you have USB devices it's a real pain in the arse
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[3:08] <Milos> +1...
[3:08] <Milos> I agree :P
[3:08] <Tachyon`> on mine it caused the HDMI to go off and on
[3:08] <Tachyon`> whenever anything loaded it
[3:09] <Louis11> er, but what's a polyfuse?
[3:09] <Tachyon`> it's a self resetting fuse made of a sort of polymer I think, square component near the power in on the underside of the board, probably green
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[3:10] <Milos> If it 'blows' then you have to wait a few hours for the material inside to recrystallise and allow current to pass through properly again.
[3:10] <Tachyon`> wow, I thought it only took seconds
[3:10] <Louis11> huh, didn't know that
[3:10] <Milos> It's never happened to me but I have read what people have written in the forum, takes a while...
[3:10] <Tachyon`> ahh
[3:10] <SpeedEvil> it's thermal
[3:11] <Louis11> i have a software background, hardware is about outside my scope of knowledge...
[3:11] <SpeedEvil> it's till it cools
[3:11] <Tachyon`> I've put 2A through that port without the fuse adn it's fine
[3:11] <Milos> It's not till it cools.
[3:11] <Tachyon`> so assuming you're fine not having a warranty, link it out
[3:12] <Louis11> hm so far ssh is still up
[3:12] <Louis11> can't recall how long it took last time
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[3:12] <Tachyon`> you're using another PSU though
[3:13] <Tachyon`> a lot of the ones sold intended for pi on amazon and so on are fake
[3:13] <Milos> SpeedEvil, Tachyon` http://elinux.org/Polyfuses_explained
[3:13] <RudeViper> I think I made a typo when setting up the network passowrd for XBMC on raspian - Is there a way to bypass this or reset it? And does anyone know how to get to the command line ando ut of the GUI?
[3:13] <Tachyon`> I got stung with a "1A" one that barely managed 600mA and had like half a volt of ripple
[3:13] <Tachyon`> smbpasswd XBMC maybe
[3:13] <Louis11> yea, the first one I tried was a 1A/5V, this one is my iphone charger
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> Milos: above is wrong
[3:14] <Milos> oh?
[3:15] <Milos> SpeedEvil, "When the power and fault are removed, the PPTC device will cool. As the device cools, it regains its original crystalline structure and returns to a low resistance state where it can hold the current as specified for the device. This cooling usually takes a few seconds, though a tripped device will retain a slightly higher resistance for hours, slowly approaching the initial resistance value."
[3:15] <Milos> SpeedEvil, I see.
[3:15] <Milos> That was from wikipedia.
[3:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/Littelfuse_PTC_1210L.pdf
[3:16] <Louis11> alright, looks like it's stopped responding now
[3:16] <Louis11> er, nvm, just terribly slow now...
[3:16] <Milos> SpeedEvil, I see.
[3:17] <Tachyon`> hrm, could it be overheating I wonder
[3:17] <Louis11> yea, it's unbearably slow atm
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> it never hits original value
[3:18] <Milos> ouch
[3:18] <Milos> Louis11, maybe your SD card is stuffed.
[3:19] <Louis11> Milos: What do you mean exactly?
[3:19] <Milos> You need to find out what part is slow, the CPU or the I/O.
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[3:19] <Milos> Is the green light constantly on when you say it's slow, or what?
[3:19] <Milos> Either way it could still be the SD card.
[3:20] <Milos> It can also be power, though.
[3:20] <Louis11> barely blinking at all atm
[3:20] <Milos> Measure the voltage on the TP1/TP2 points.
[3:20] <Milos> Make sure you're within range 4.75V - 5.25V.
[3:20] <Milos> If you are, then try another SD card.
[3:21] * Milos will be back later
[3:22] <Louis11> hm, alright, thanks
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[4:03] <Ademan> When running raspbian on my pi with a Class 10 Sony SD card, installing anything with apt pegs the CPU according to the LXDE panel, is that normal/can I fix that? I haven't measured it, but without X running, the system still seems heavily hit by apt...
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[4:10] <knoppies> Ademan, I've noticed the same thing, even with SSH and top.
[4:10] <knoppies> Ademan, its not the whole apt-get process, just certain parts of it.
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[4:17] <atouk> probobly the bottleneck is data io to the sd card. thumbdrive or usb hd are much better
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[5:00] <Ademan> hrm is it possible to boot from a USB hard drive? I suppose at worst you just have /boot on the SD card and root on the hard drive
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[5:00] <AC`97> yes. /boot on SD card
[5:01] <AC`97> no sd = no boot
[5:01] <Ademan> ah, fair enough
[5:02] <Syliss> there is no bios and the hardcode points to the sd card
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[5:36] <Ademan> So basically as soon as the board is online it reads block X from the SD card and executes it?
[5:36] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[5:42] <AC`97> ORLY
[5:43] <AC`97> it actually reads the fat partition and executes a certain fat pigg.. erm, file
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[5:47] <Ademan> the SD cards are FAT formatted? hrm haven't looked at them since I flashed them.
[5:47] <AC`97> they so fat :D
[5:48] <AC`97> well, the boot partition is fat
[5:49] <AC`97> anyways, i believe over 99% of SD cards in the world are fat-formatted
[5:49] <AC`97> perhaps that number will change when more raspberries pop out from somewhere
[5:51] <knoppies> AC`97, I tried to make mine ext4, and then used dd to put the img on, but I think the img is in fat so it wrote fat all over my ext4, and then somehow confused palimpsest to think that the 2GB SD card had over 4GB of partitions on it.
[5:51] <AC`97> trololol
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[5:57] <bircoe> LOL
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[5:58] <bircoe> if you write an image to card the FS on the card becomes the FS that is in the image
[5:58] <AC`97> unless you write it into a parition (oops!) :P
[5:58] <AC`97> partition*
[5:58] <bircoe> well theres that
[5:59] <bircoe> there was a dudse here doing that a while ago
[5:59] <bircoe> -s
[5:59] <AC`97> well, correct, more than one
[5:59] <AC`97> :P
[5:59] <AC`97> perhaps even more than two
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[6:28] <bircoe> jeebus digikey really ream you on postage
[6:33] <ccssnet> how much? for what shipped?
[6:33] <bircoe> 2 of these http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&vendor=811&mpart=OKI-78SR-3.3%2F1.5-W36-C&cur=USD =
[6:34] <bircoe> and 2 of these http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&vendor=811&mpart=OKI-78SR-5%2F1.5-W36-C&cur=USD
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[6:34] <bircoe> $30 for shipping!!!!!
[6:35] <bircoe> Mouser want $39 for the same thing...
[6:38] <ccssnet> hmm
[6:38] <ccssnet> nice finds though
[6:39] <bircoe> been eyeing them off for while
[6:39] <bircoe> might have to wait a while longer till an Aussie distributer gets them in the country
[6:40] <bircoe> Element 14 have them as well but at 8.83 ech
[6:41] <ccssnet> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-24V-to-DC-12V-8A-Step-down-Power-Converter-Module-50V-820uF-96W-/290677334570?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43adb8222a
[6:41] <ccssnet> you might find that interesting
[6:41] <ccssnet> ive been eyeing that
[6:41] <bircoe> bit overkill :)
[6:41] <ccssnet> lol
[6:41] <bircoe> 8A for a Pi!!!
[6:41] <ccssnet> well... a cluster?
[6:41] <ccssnet> haha
[6:41] <bircoe> maybe!
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[6:42] <bircoe> just came across these:
[6:42] <bircoe> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2119
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[6:42] <ccssnet> or just long battery time with no power source
[6:42] <bircoe> Pololu seem to understand that people outside the USA want their products
[6:43] <bircoe> $10.95 for shipping
[6:43] <ccssnet> wow nice
[6:43] <ccssnet> i seen some similar to these at esc designcon 2012
[6:43] <ccssnet> forget which company but i got their catalog probably in the pile or related
[6:43] <des2> "During normal operation, this product can get hot enough to burn you."
[6:44] <ccssnet> lol
[6:44] <bircoe> Polou make some decent stuff
[6:44] <bircoe> HAHAH missed that!
[6:46] <bircoe> got one of these here: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/755
[6:46] <bircoe> up to 30v and 15a motor controller without a heatsink!
[6:47] <des2> "During normal operation, this product can get hot enough to burn you"
[6:47] <des2> That's apparently their standard disclaimer...
[6:47] <bircoe> theres a simple solution... don't touch it during normal operation :)
[6:47] <bircoe> it could just be...
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[8:41] <mikarch> Has anyone tried the development branch of git-annex on rpi? I have installed the old version from the standard repo, and it works fine, but I would love to use the new features...
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[9:25] <Yotson> good day all.
[9:27] <knoppies> hello Yotson
[9:27] <Yotson> hi knoppies
[9:28] <Yotson> i was reading about usb 'issues'. Is it all fud or are there still some issues with usb?
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[9:31] <Yotson> idea i have is to use a Rpi as a 'sound sink server' so to say. Adding 4 or so usb sound cards.
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[9:36] <knoppies> Yotson, I dont know about USB issues. When you say sound sink server do you mean you will be recording sound from 4 different USB sound cards?
[9:37] <knoppies> That sounds cool but I dont think the Pi is the best thing to use.
[9:37] <knoppies> actually it might be, depends on what you need to record the sound for.
[9:37] <Yotson> sorry. nope. music on nas, want to be able to play it in more than 1 room.
[9:37] <Yotson> only output so to say.
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[9:42] <knoppies> Yotson, oh. All the same sound?
[9:42] <knoppies> Or different channels?
[9:43] <Yotson> both should be possible.
[9:43] <knoppies> I've heard that debian has a crackle with the analog audio on the Pi (not sure if it will be the same with your sound cards) and arch didn't have that problem.
[9:44] <Yotson> thinking of using mpd. http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Player_Daemon_Wiki
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[9:46] <Yotson> goal is to have all music stored in a central location, the nas, and be able to listen to it in whatever room the wife or i am.
[9:46] <Yotson> so i guess a max of 2 different streams going to a max of 4 outputs.
[9:47] <knoppies> so 8 speakers/channels?
[9:47] <Yotson> each output will have it's own small amplifier and speakers.
[9:47] <Yotson> yup, stereo per channel.
[9:47] <knoppies> hmm. I figure you have the amp/speakers setup already.
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[9:47] <knoppies> I don't know much about the USB side of the Pi, except that mine isnt particularly good with the cheap keyboard I tried to use with it.
[9:47] <Yotson> not at all. Often i first try to get a proof of concept going before i sink money. XD
[9:48] <amithkk> Can anyone tell me when Element14 india will have Raspberry Pi Model B's in stock again?
[9:51] <knoppies> Yotson, thats a wise idea.
[9:51] <Yotson> knoppies: that's the fud i was talking about. :) Read about possible drops of network under load and all kinds of usb issues.
[9:52] <sixxie> alsa obviously works for me (because aplay does), but my own alsa code bombs out so i suspect implementation is not complete
[9:52] <sixxie> (couldn't possibly be my code... ;)
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[9:55] <NuSuey> oh hello everyone
[9:56] <NuSuey> is it possible to use mumble (or some other voip tool) on raspberry pi?
[9:56] <NuSuey> was trying something out with it yesterday
[9:56] <NuSuey> but it just didnt work .. so asking perhabs here would be a good idea
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[9:57] <knoppies> NuSuey, I hope so.
[9:58] <NuSuey> knoppies: how do you mean it? :)
[9:58] <knoppies> NuSuey, having mumble on the Pi would be nice. (although I wouldn't really need it. except maybe for murmur)
[9:59] <NuSuey> well isnt murmur .. mumble? or ?
[9:59] <NuSuey> i just wanted to have it at my parents house
[9:59] <NuSuey> so they just can turn it on..
[9:59] <NuSuey> and i would be able to chat with them
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[10:00] <knoppies> NuSuey, murmur is mumble server.
[10:00] <NuSuey> thought so..
[10:01] <knoppies> NuSuey, have you been having trouble trying to get mumble running on your Pi?
[10:01] <NuSuey> no problem with starting it..
[10:01] <NuSuey> but with audio
[10:01] <NuSuey> during the audio wizzard.. i couldn't hear anything..(even when i should)
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[10:02] <NuSuey> maybe I shouldn't try it with the debian distro for raspbery but something else?
[10:02] <knoppies> hmm. Try arch.
[10:02] <knoppies> Someone mentioned audio on arch is much better.
[10:02] <NuSuey> never tried arch
[10:02] <NuSuey> but can try it out
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[10:07] <As001> Hello I just bought Raspberry Pi model B and tried to play some video with omxplayer but it seems it can play some files if I convert with ffmpeg with -r 10 or -r 20 but if I try to play original mp4 file I get buggy green screen. Is there any tutorial about this ?
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[10:08] <As001> other payers like mplayer or vlc says something like computer is weak to play file.
[10:08] <As001> *players
[10:09] <As001> I got this issues with mp4 files on the other hand it can play avi files without convert.
[10:09] <Maqs> mplayer and vlc use software decoding, but the cpu is too slow. omxplayer uses hardware decoding, but is limited to what the hardware decoder is capable of - or it's a bug ;)
[10:11] <As001> with ffmpeg -r option I set frame rate so it can play mp4 converted with -r 10 but during conversion or because i lower frame rate picture is pixelized.
[10:12] <As001> what is the hardware decoder capable of ? Is there some good tutorial about this ?
[10:13] <Maqs> mp4 is a container format that may contain mpeg 4, mpeg 2 and mpeg 1 video
[10:14] <Maqs> without additional licenses, the rpi can only decode h.264.. iirc
[10:15] <linuxstb> And MPEG-4 ASP (aka divx/xvid)
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[10:16] <Maqs> As001: you may use ffprobe filename.mp4 to find out the contained codec
[10:17] <booyaa> with mpeg2 license you can watcgh decryopted dvd rips
[10:17] <As001> ok I will try right away
[10:17] <linuxstb> Or look in the omxplayer.log file that would have been created when you played the file.
[10:18] <linuxstb> Or maybe ignore me - looks like that's not too useful.
[10:18] <As001> Stream #0.1(und): Video: h264 (Main), yuv420p, 624x352
[10:19] <bircoe> paste the full log to patebin or something
[10:19] <As001> thats what I got on ffprobe
[10:19] <As001> ok
[10:19] <Maqs> video should be enough for that problem i guess ;)
[10:19] <bircoe> depends on allot of things really
[10:20] <bircoe> perhaps the bitrate is too high or the framerate is screwy... could also be an incompatible audio codec issue
[10:20] <As001> http://pastebin.com/pRSwNRNx
[10:20] <As001> I tried it on my desktop computer I hope it is not a problem
[10:21] <bircoe> audio stream is odd... 22khz mono?
[10:21] <As001> yes that is I can hear audio when I play on Pi but picture is buggy green
[10:21] <bircoe> I had an issue a while back trying to encode a similar stream with ffmpeg on Fedora, unless i forced the track to stereo it failed every time, apparently a bug in ffmpeg...
[10:22] <As001> well I can play it when I convert it with -r 10 but it gets pixelized. Is there any limit regarding framerate what omxplayer can play and not ?
[10:23] <bircoe> the only thing i could put it down to would be options that the file was encoded with but the hardware decoder doesn't support them
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[10:24] <bircoe> it's not -r 10 causing the pixelated picture
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[10:24] <bircoe> -r 10 would only alter the framerate to 10fps, the pixelated picture would be coming from a bitrate that is too low,
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[10:25] <amithkk> Anyone?
[10:25] <bircoe> ?
[10:25] <amithkk> Can anyone tell me when Element14 india will have Raspberry Pi Model B's in stock again?
[10:25] <Yotson> amithkk: ask them?
[10:25] <As001> so I need to convert it to stereo and it should be fine ?
[10:25] <bircoe> have you tried asking Element 14 india???
[10:26] <bircoe> as far as i know there aren't any Element 14 india employees here
[10:26] <amithkk> Nope
[10:26] <amithkk> Let me try that
[10:26] <bircoe> o_O
[10:26] <bircoe> As001, what was your full ffmpeg command to encode the file?
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[10:27] <Yotson> amithkk: when will the local bakery here have those special buns on sale? See? doesn't make sense. :)
[10:27] <amithkk> LOL
[10:27] <As001> ffmpeg -i inputfile.mp4 -r 10 outputfile.mp4
[10:27] <bircoe> it will be be the 31st of November
[10:27] <amithkk> I thought there would be E14India employees here
[10:27] <amithkk> :D
[10:28] <bircoe> As001, that's a little simple :P
[10:29] <As001> how would you convert it ?
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[10:29] <knoppies> amithkk, I doubt it, does their website say anything about a wait time?
[10:29] <bircoe> I mainly use handbrake, but try something like this:
[10:29] <bircoe> ffmpeg -i inputfile.avi -vcodec libx264 -vprofile high -preset slower -b:v 1000k -vf scale=-1:576 -threads 0 -acodec libvo_aacenc -ab 196k output.mp4
[10:29] <knoppies> As001, what does -r do?
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[10:29] <bircoe> -r sets framerate
[10:30] <As001> change fps
[10:30] <bircoe> so -r 10 sets the framerate to 10fps
[10:30] <amithkk> knoppies: nope
[10:30] <knoppies> As001, I have a script which does x264 for me if you want it. I put it together using a few sources on the Internet. bit of trial and error until I got it working.
[10:30] <knoppies> using ffmpeg
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[10:31] <knoppies> amithkk, well, if you order from the AUS one they might still have stock. I ordered mine almost a week ago and they still had 800 units lef.
[10:31] <knoppies> thanks bircoe, I wonder if that will be better than my current settings.
[10:31] <bircoe> As001, you can omit the -threads, that's not necessary
[10:31] <amithkk> knoppies: AUS?
[10:31] <knoppies> amithkk, australia.
[10:31] <As001> ok I will try your command for conversion.
[10:31] <NuSuey> well, would a usb soundcard work on raspberry? i mean.. If not, then I have no option to add a microphone to raspberry or.. do i?
[10:32] <bircoe> I just ordered one from E14 AU and the page said they had 87 in stock
[10:32] <As001> thanks for help I must go now.
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[10:32] <NuSuey> anybodY? :)
[10:32] <knoppies> NuSuey, I dont have a USB sound card to check.
[10:32] <bircoe> NuSuey, are there linux drivers for your sound card?
[10:32] <amithkk> knoppies: That would cost me alot for shipping :P
[10:33] <NuSuey> bircoe: well it did work on my desktop .. if I remember it correctly
[10:33] <bircoe> give it a go and find out :)
[10:33] <knoppies> NuSuey, do your parents not have access to a proper PC? You could also try using something like a smartphone or iPod Touch.
[10:33] <bircoe> it most likely will if it's a common enough chipset
[10:33] <amithkk> BBL
[10:34] <NuSuey> knoppies: they have. i just wanted to give them something easier, so they can turn it on in their living room..
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[10:34] <NuSuey> and not to have their pc turned on
[10:34] <linuxstb> NuSuey: You could buy a proper SIP/IAX phone for not much more than the cost of a Pi + accessories.
[10:34] <knoppies> NuSuey, I understand.
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[10:35] <NuSuey> linuxstb: well I had the idea about mumble, because it is multiplatform.. more people can join and listen/talk ..so..
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: I've dealt with voip for the past 5 years as part of my business..
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Get a cheap laptop and use skype...
[10:36] * bagpuss_thecat nods
[10:36] <bircoe> most laptops have built in webcams and mic's these days
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> alternatively... Get something that's familiar to them - especially if older people -
[10:36] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Why not a hardware SIP phone?
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> the gigaset series of DECT phones are good and have both analog and voip interfaces.
[10:37] <bircoe> Google Nexus 7 is cheap enough :) you can run SKype on that.
[10:37] <NuSuey> well I can just use my iBook with skype in it.. just need to put in in a room with good wifi connection..
[10:37] <NuSuey> but wanted to put it in the living room.
[10:37] * linuxstb also likes the gitaset phones
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, SIP has too many hassles behind NAT - and you need some sort of external registrar service.
[10:37] <linuxstb> Or even gigaset
[10:37] <NuSuey> well it was suposed to be cheap
[10:37] <NuSuey> and I have already bought PI
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> NuSuey, ther's the rub - my voip business has more or less failes partly because people want cheap.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> cheap and voip do not mix )-:
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Ekiga might run on a Pi, but it seemed heavyweight, even on my laptop )-:
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[10:38] <NuSuey> so you say, that raspberry pi ..with a usb soundcard .. microphone/speaker attached in it.. mumble installed.. woudlnt work?
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Ekiga is capable of video.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> but the codecs are the hassle.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> it might work, but I bet you'll spend days trying to make it work.
[10:39] <bagpuss_thecat> SIP and NAT were the biggest ballache I've ever encountered in the home environment
[10:39] <bagpuss_thecat> in the end I used OpenVPN to link my Asterisk server and my home network, and did away with all the pain and suffering. Even then, it's still awful at times
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> bagpuss_thecat, yea )-:
[10:41] <bagpuss_thecat> if anything I'd be inclined to suggest a nice Cisco phone or something with programmable buttons for ease of use, and OpenVPN. But it'll still be ropey, and absolutely terrifying for anyone elderly
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> bagpuss_thecat, yup - which is where things like the gigaset are nice - principle of least surprise...
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[10:43] <NuSuey> ok, if i would just use my iBook for Skype and put it in a room with good wifi.. what would be a good option for rasberry pi to be used just for playing movies ?
[10:43] <bircoe> i know what I'm about to do:
[10:43] <bircoe> http://liliputing.com/2012/10/ubuntu-installer-now-available-for-the-nexus-7.html
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[10:44] <linuxstb> As we're talking VOIP, anyone know if there is there any competitor to Asterisk nowadays, or is that still the de-facto option for PBXes (for about 20-30 users).
[10:44] <bagpuss_thecat> FreeSwitch iirc
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[10:44] <NuSuey> bircoe: waiting for the google event.. got a chinese tablet. the only thing missing is a micro-hdmi on the nexus 7 and im going for it
[10:44] <bircoe> I can live without HDMi
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[10:45] <bagpuss_thecat> bircoe: a colleague did it yesterday. 'awfully pretty' he says :-)
[10:45] <nid0> i'm personally looking forward to my Surface
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> linuxstb, there's the freeSwitch, but I've no idea how usable it is these days.
[10:45] <aaa801> You bought a surface..?
[10:46] <bircoe> had a Chinese tablet... hated it, sold it... bought a ASUS Transformer... loved it but broke it, got the Nexus 7... love it!
[10:46] <NuSuey> so.. what to use on the raspberry? XBMC or something else?
[10:46] <bircoe> apprently Microsoft are cancelling preorders!
[10:46] <bircoe> NuSuey, OpenELEC
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[10:46] <bircoe> hands down the best XBMC for Pi
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> I'm toying with the idea of open sourcing all my PBX GUI for asterisk - might annoy my resellers though, but who knows.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> basically I didn't like any of the GUIs out there, so write my own...
[10:49] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, do your resellers have any claim to the copyright?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> maybe one day.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> knoppies, no.
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[10:50] <NuSuey> bircoe: looks nice. but.. hmhm.. okay, will probably need to give my wireless keyboard to my parents, so my dad wont have to sit near the TV to turn something on >.<
[10:51] <knoppies> gordonDrogon, then we would appreciate it if you did openSource it.
[10:51] <NuSuey> crap. would love some cheap wireless keyboard or something to remotely do stuff..
[10:51] <bircoe> depends on the TV but the Pi supports HDMI CEC so the TV remote can control XBMC
[10:52] <NuSuey> that would be freaking lovely
[10:52] <bircoe> works perfectly on my daughts Teac TV, and works albeit awfully on my Panasonic... doesn't work with my LG tho
[10:52] <bircoe> daughters
[10:52] <NuSuey> well.. OpenElec that is.. will have to try it out. iBook for skype, pi for movies..
[10:53] <knoppies> NuSuey, you get cheap mini bluetooth keyboards. I don't know if the Pi would support those. But i use one for my phone and sometimes my laptop when Im in bed.
[10:53] <knoppies> they arent the greatest for typing but keyboard shortcuts are all good.
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> knoppies, the big issues is the actualy asterisk installation - sometimes it's easier to just go the nerd vittles way...
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> right. local stuff to go - back later.
[10:56] <knoppies> I actually think the Pi is a bit on the "not potent enough" side of the 'POWER' scale for playing 1080p movies.
[10:56] <NuSuey> knoppies: yeah probably. well I have to try stuff with the mumble for pi at first.. but at the end of the week, if it wont work.. openelec.. i'll grab the ibook too.. and bring the stuff to their home, .. because .. why the hell would they call us, when they can just skype :) and my dad probably should watch stuff from the internet at the TV too, so the PI should be good for it :P
[10:57] <knoppies> NuSuey, good :) I hope you manage to get mumble working on the Pi, I suspect the mumble will be easy, its the sound drivers that will be difficult.
[10:57] <bircoe> knoppies, the Pi is perfectly cpable of 1080P thanks to hardware GPU decoding of h264 streams
[10:57] <bircoe> just don't expect good results with HD AVI's
[10:58] <knoppies> bircoe, ONLY if the stream is in h264 and has the correct params when encoded.
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[10:59] <NuSuey> maybe the usb card is just broken.. well .. i will have enough time, since my GF got quite a lot do do this week.. so.. enough time for me to do such stuff as this :
[10:59] <NuSuey> :p
[10:59] <knoppies> and it can run the video well, but that doesn't mean it can run XBMC in the background too. (I've always found XBMC slow on my monster of a PC, although that was a while back and Ive been told its much better now)
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[11:00] <bircoe> I've not found a problem file yet, and it is more than capable of play my 11gb Rip of Avatar which is a 16:9 full frame movie, the Apple TV 2 won't play that file and it has a faster CPU
[11:00] <knoppies> bircoe, you sure that isnt a licensing/codec issue?
[11:01] <knoppies> bircoe, although I wouldnt be surprised. The Pi is mostly a GPU from what I understand.
[11:01] <bircoe> knoppies, try it before you knock it, OpenELEC is pretty darn smooth on the Pi
[11:01] <knoppies> bircoe, ok, I will have to give it a go.
[11:01] <bircoe> when I say can't I mean it can just frame skips like hell
[11:02] <knoppies> bircoe, I was actually planning on using my Pi as an always on headless server. But I had some other ideas (with LEDs and relays etc) that I want to proof of concept with the Pi.
[11:02] <bircoe> the ATV2 will play all sorts of 720P and 1080P (800 cropped) files, but 16:9 high bitrate 080p is too much for it's hardware
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[11:08] <bircoe> now that's what I call a USB sound card:
[11:08] <bircoe> http://www.asus.com.au/Multimedia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_Essence_One/
[11:10] <NuSuey> bircoe: nice one
[11:11] <bircoe> I've got one of these:
[11:11] <bircoe> http://us.store.creative.com/Creative-Sound-Blaster-XFi-HD-Sound/M/B004275EO4.htm
[11:12] <bircoe> It's connected to an old laptop running mpd connected to a homebuilt amp and Wharfedale bookshelfs
[11:12] <bircoe> tis a nice setup
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[11:18] * bagpuss_thecat is using his Pi headless as a 1-wire bus master, PWM lighting controller, and GPIO to MQTT gateway
[11:18] <bagpuss_thecat> it's been running absolutely perfectly for weeks
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[11:26] <gordonDrogon> LEDs and Relays... Mmmmmmm ;-)
[11:27] <Yotson> lol. hi there gordonDrogon
[11:27] <bagpuss_thecat> FETs ftw :-)
[11:27] <Yotson> blinkenleds. -drool-
[11:28] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: I put LED strips under the kitchen cabinets so they illuminate the worktops around the kitchen, and a PIR on the GPIO line. WAF was off scale high :-)
[11:29] <bagpuss_thecat> s/the GPIO/a GPIO/
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[11:33] <knoppies> bircoe, decent wharfedales? Whats the amp like? I have these lovely 150W technics but my amp is a crappy 40W PEAK.
[11:33] <knoppies> WAF? what does that mean?
[11:33] <nid0> wife acceptance factor
[11:33] <nid0> or wife approval factor
[11:34] <nid0> or any other minor variant
[11:34] <knoppies> bagpuss_thecat, I have had ideas like that, but with more conventional switches and not a Pi, but thanks for sharing. I might try something like that with a Pi too. I wanted to run SIPO shift registers into RGB LEDs to control an (almost) unlimited array of LEDs.
[11:34] <knoppies> nid0, thanks, explains why I dont understand the lingo. I dont have the problem yet.
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[11:42] <gordonDrogon> bagpuss_thecat, yea, my kitchen needs new lighting, but I think I'll settle for a switch :)
[11:43] <Jck_true> Custom LED colors? Brings a whole new aspect to chasing your GF around the kitchen counter with a knife if you can dim the light to a bloody red color....
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[11:53] <knoppies> Jck_true, thanks for that. I hadn't though of that.
[11:53] <knoppies> I was thinking more of a 3D RGB LED cube, among some other things.
[11:53] <bagpuss_thecat> knoppies: RGB is on the cards, but this time for the trelliswork in the garden
[11:53] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: pphhtt, so old fashioned :-)
[11:54] <bagpuss_thecat> to be honest htough, this is supplementary lighting to the bigass main LED GU10s in the ceiling
[11:54] <knoppies> Another thing I want to do is create a tone/siren generator on the Pi that I can play through a loudspeaker, but I really want to make a rumbler (they don't use those here yet, so its not impersonating a police officer) and I don't think my loudspeaker would be capable of a good volume at that frequency.
[11:54] <knoppies> bagpuss_thecat, we found that LEDs were not bright enough for the kitchen.
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[11:58] <bagpuss_thecat> the ones I have blew the existing 35W halogens out the water, and are on par with 50W halogens
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[12:01] <nid0> our kitchen LED gu10's are great, using 4W philips master ones, theyre slightly brighter than your typical 35w halogen
[12:02] <nid0> the crapper is that philips recently updated the range and the new ones look slightly different, and we're only halfway through retrofitting our current bulbs :(
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[12:03] <bagpuss_thecat> ouch
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> bagpuss_thecat, well I did do this with a PIR: https://projects.drogon.net/halloween-pi/
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Menu_Index/Lamps_and_Tubes_Index/GU_Led_5w/index.html
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> those are the LEDs I have in my kitchen - very bright, but I needed 3 of them to replace 2 x 50W GU10's. So 9W replacing 100w - bit of a no-brainer even if I needed an extra bulb..
[12:07] <knoppies> nid0, OUCH. bad timing.
[12:07] <knoppies> 240V, where do you live?
[12:08] <nid0> http://www.novelenergylighting.com/led-lamps-bulbs/led-gu10-lamps-mv/gu10-lamps/gu10-4w-perfect-fit-dimmable/philips-masterled-gu10-spot-perfect-fit-4w-2700k-40d-dimmable.html
[12:09] <nid0> those are what we're now using
[12:09] <nid0> the old version of them has a dark grey surround rather than white :(
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[12:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm still after some nice 'candle' ones to replace the ones in our chandaliers... we have 3 and they're all 200w worth of bulbs..
[12:12] <bircoe> knoppies, Wharfedale Diamond 10.0's, http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/images/wharf050609.jpg
[12:13] <nid0> gordonDrogon: that ^ site has a range of candle bulbs, we've got a 4w philips novallure in our wardrobe
[12:14] <Jck_true> knoppies: I really hope you ment that as a joke :D
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> nid0, Hm. interstin. And the're dimmable too.
[12:15] <nid0> yeah. I find the dimming on led bulbs to be a bit hit and miss though, so dont rely on it without testing it
[12:15] <nid0> most of the bulbs we have here now are dimmable but the dimming down and up is often not very smooth
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> nid0, however at about a tenner each, it's 80 quid per chandalier...
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I'll need to work out how long it will take to save ?80 in electrickery...
[12:17] <nid0> tbh, when I did the maths on all the led bulbs we now have with the range of (mostly philips' bulbs) prices, you almost recover the cost of the bulbs just in how long they last
[12:17] <nid0> the actual power saving is pure bonus
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[12:19] <Milos> If I bridge the F3 polyfuse will that solve the device rebooting when I insert power-hungry USB devices?
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[12:20] <nid0> average lifetime of most of the modern led bulbs seems to be in the region of 25,000 hours, compred to around 2,000 for most incandescents
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[12:33] <hxla> Hello, I was wondering if there is any video renderer available to raspberry? I could edit everything on my computer, but the render job would go to raspberry
[12:34] <hxla> I saw that openshot is available to raspberry but the cli to render is not working =/
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[12:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I need to do some video editing soon, but I do not think I'll be doing it on the Pi!
[12:37] <Draylor> hah
[12:37] <Draylor> would be an interesting experience
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[12:38] <Draylor> but youd only try it once i suspect
[12:38] <hxla> gordonDrogon: I just wanted to use the GPU to render
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> hxla, sure - and actually it ought to be fine for playback too.
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[12:41] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Well I would love video encoding on the raspi - I record alot of video from a fixed camera when i'm sailing - i don't really care how long it would take to convert :)
[12:42] <booyaa> Jck_true: now that stuff's open source, i'd love to see the encoding time for video.
[12:42] <bircoe> I doubt you'd get usable results on a Pi
[12:42] <booyaa> see how fast that gpu is
[12:42] <booyaa> is it only good at decoding?
[12:42] <amki> what is open source?
[12:42] <booyaa> amki: pi userland, which i believe includes the videocore gpu
[12:43] <booyaa> this happende recently
[12:43] <amki> the parts that have been open sourced are said to be utter crap
[12:43] <Jck_true> Should do hardware encoding aswell... And it's only 640x480 video - It's just a pain to convert to h.264 on my laptop
[12:43] <zgreg> the gpu can also do h264 encoding (but with bad quality/coding efficiency)
[12:43] <amki> it seems like broadcom has been shoving everything interesting into the blob for ages and did not really care if the arm part gets open sourced
[12:43] <zgreg> amki: phoronix is utter crap, maybe :)
[12:44] <zgreg> but really, the userland part is exactly what the foundation said it is
[12:44] <bircoe> hardware encoding is only useful if there is software to support it... as far as I know there is none currently in Linux.
[12:44] <zgreg> it's not what people expected, but that does not mean it is of no value
[12:44] <bircoe> at least open sourced... perhaps theres commercial software
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[12:44] <amki> you can take a good long look at the opengl/es and openvg apis
[12:45] <amki> the only thing that is good for is to port other oses to the pi
[12:45] <amki> that gives you 0 possible performance gain
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[12:45] <zgreg> amki: so?
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[12:46] <amki> (12:42:08) booyaa: Jck_true: now that stuff's open source, i'd love to see the encoding time for video. <-- it will stay exactly the same as before
[12:46] <amki> was my point
[12:46] <zgreg> it was already possible to do h264 encoding before the source drop
[12:47] <amki> open sourcing the driver will still not give any performance
[12:47] <zgreg> but gpu encoding really sucks anyway
[12:47] <amki> sony vegas has a marvellous performance under windows using gpu encoding
[12:47] <zgreg> amki: maybe, but not good coding efficiency
[12:47] <zgreg> *all* GPU encoders suck at that
[12:48] <zgreg> and ASIC-based encoders tend to suck in that regard even more
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[12:49] <amki> at least for the moment you have to pick between better coding efficiency or faster encoding
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[12:50] <teh_orph> yo
[12:50] <mumbles> calls up farnell
[12:53] <fakker> and ask them WHERE'S MY TSHIRT
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[13:00] <mumbles> fakker: my "i had a pi and it broke" one?
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[13:11] <Milos> If I bridge the F3 polyfuse will that solve the device rebooting when I insert power-hungry USB devices?
[13:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ leave them plugged in ?
[13:11] <Milos> No.
[13:11] <fakker> no, the tshirt that they were meant to give us with the Pi
[13:11] <bagpuss_thecat> Milos: I imagine that it would permanently solve your problem
[13:12] <bagpuss_thecat> in that it would never work again
[13:12] <Milos> yeah it would
[13:12] <Milos> and it would work properly
[13:12] <Milos> they did a great job removing the USB polyfuses
[13:12] <Milos> now they just have one more to remove.
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[13:13] <Milos> or, at least (of course) increase its current tolerance.
[13:13] <mumbles> woop.
[13:13] <mumbles> farnell said that a new one will be with me shorltey.
[13:14] <mumbles> and i can post the old one back.
[13:14] <Milos> mumbles, what happened to yours?
[13:14] <Laban> Has model A been released?
[13:14] <Laban> or just B+B2?
[13:14] <mumbles> Milos: it smelt hot and stopped working
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> Laban, no modem A yet.
[13:14] <Milos> mumbles, :(
[13:14] <Milos> 'modem' :P
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[13:15] <mumbles> yeh i haden tplugged it into anything differnt either.
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[13:17] <Jck_true> Hmmm b??de EB or JP skriver at hurricane sandy er det lavest lavtryk i en orkan nogensinde i det omr??de...
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[13:17] <Jck_true> ved 942mbar men hurricane wilma var 882 siger wikipedia :S
[13:17] <Jck_true> Tror ikke det bliver s?? slemt
[13:17] <Jck_true> Annnnnnnd sorry :( - Wrong channel
[13:19] <Yotson> :)
[13:20] <mumbles> should have a new pi by tommow !
[13:20] <Jck_true> Just wondered why every newsoutlet state Sandy as being a record low pressure system.. When Wilma was alot lower ....
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[13:32] <[SLB]> the shirt stock finished long time ago
[13:32] <[SLB]> i got mine tho :3
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[13:37] <nid0> I never got a t shirt :(
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[13:38] <booyaa> asides bogomips how does everyone else benchmark their pis?
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[13:38] <nid0> nbench
[13:38] <booyaa> node.js just broke teh 2 hour window for compiling on my new 512mb. it's running same bogomips. and granted my last compile was on 0.8.4
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[13:39] <booyaa> they're up to 0.8.16, but i woulnd't expect it to slow it down significantly
[13:39] <Hodapp> why bother benchmarking a Pi?
[13:39] <booyaa> Hodapp: nosy
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[13:39] <mrlespaulman> All of a sudden I'm getting kernel PANIC when trying to boot!
[13:39] <mrlespaulman> What gives?
[13:39] <booyaa> mrlespaulman: what was the last thing you did?
[13:39] <nid0> undo whatever change you made
[13:40] <mrlespaulman> It froze on xbmc, so I shut it off
[13:40] <mrlespaulman> Thats all
[13:40] <booyaa> mrlespaulman: anything else like file sstem is corrupt?
[13:40] <booyaa> it's rare but the fs can get upset if you dno't shutdown cleanly
[13:40] <mrlespaulman> shouldn't be, can I fix i without losing my data?
[13:41] <mrlespaulman> *it
[13:41] <biberao> yooo
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[13:42] <ReggieUK> it's not that rare with xbmc
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[13:42] <mrlespaulman> I have the card in my linux laptop right now
[13:42] <mrlespaulman> is there a way to manually fix it?
[13:42] <booyaa> normally i've said drop down into single user and run fsck
[13:43] <nid0> just fsck it from the nix laptop
[13:43] <mrlespaulman> Not familiar with fsck, but I'll google it
[13:43] <biberao> my linux system cant even mount root
[13:43] <biberao> it says 160gb is too big
[13:43] <booyaa> yeah you'll need a linux box preferrably debian
[13:43] <nid0> fsck -y /path/to/sd
[13:44] <mrlespaulman> ok thanks
[13:45] <biberao> booyaa: who me?
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[13:47] <booyaa> no that was for mrlespaulman
[13:47] <mrlespaulman> Would I fsck to the boot partition or data?
[13:47] <booyaa> okay looks like it was only 10 mins longer to compile :o)
[13:47] <mrlespaulman> Assuming data partition
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[13:54] <mrlespaulman> Still getting kernel PANIC
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[13:54] <biberao> so
[13:55] <tero> what version of debian for x86 is most similar to raspbian?(packages, kernel etc...) i am trying to troubleshoot a hardware problem for the pi and I will try to install it on a x86 machine first
[13:55] <mrlespaulman> "Kernel PANIC - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel."
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[13:57] <ReggieUK> it pulls cmdline stuff from cmdline.txt on the fat partition
[13:58] <ReggieUK> so check that it isn't corrupted
[13:58] <ReggieUK> then see what the init= cmdline switch is pointing at
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[13:58] <ReggieUK> then check to see whether it is corrupt or not
[13:58] <ReggieUK> +1 for corrupted init
[13:58] <mrlespaulman> Let me check cmdline.txt
[13:59] <mrlespaulman> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[13:59] <mrlespaulman> thats all thats in cmdline.txt
[14:00] <bagpuss_thecat> tero: I believe Raspbian is a derivative of Debian
[14:01] <bagpuss_thecat> s/Debian/Debian Wheezy/
[14:01] <mrlespaulman> where would the init= switch be?
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[14:04] <ReggieUK> probably built into the kernel
[14:04] <biberao> Reggie reggieeee
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[14:05] <mrlespaulman> Odd...my etc, mnt, home, proc, and boot folders are showing as text files
[14:05] <mrlespaulman> not folders
[14:05] <mrlespaulman> what
[14:05] <mrlespaulman> the
[14:05] <mrlespaulman> heck
[14:05] <ReggieUK> ouch
[14:05] <biberao> mrlespaulman: how did you do that?
[14:05] <mrlespaulman> Thats what I'd like to know.
[14:06] <mrlespaulman> I literally did nothing different
[14:06] <biberao> when you found out
[14:06] <biberao> teach me
[14:06] <swecide> mrlespaulman: that happened to my /home partition when I was running with overclock
[14:06] <swecide> home dir..
[14:06] <mrlespaulman> yes, i was running with overclock
[14:07] <mrlespaulman> in fact, i had just changed it yesterday
[14:08] <biberao> so overclock is dangerous
[14:08] <mrlespaulman> Apparently so
[14:08] <biberao> bad boy
[14:09] <biberao> no more feeding
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[14:09] <mrlespaulman> So can I safely assume I'm not getting my files back?
[14:10] <biberao> mrlespaulman: have you tried
[14:10] <biberao> mounting them elsewhere?
[14:10] <Yotson> sure you can. get them from your backup....
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[14:10] <biberao> Yotson: which backup
[14:10] <Yotson> :P
[14:10] <Yotson> that one you should have made.
[14:11] <ReggieUK> unfortunately I don't have rasbian on an sd card atm
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[14:11] <mrlespaulman> lol backup
[14:11] <biberao> Yotson: you havent made one
[14:11] <biberao> mrlespaulman: are you mounting the card elsewhere?
[14:11] <ReggieUK> but xbian doesn't seem to produce/use an init= option
[14:11] <ReggieUK> unless it's buried somewhere
[14:11] <mrlespaulman> its currently mounted to my ubuntu laptop
[14:11] <biberao> ReggieUK: level 1?
[14:11] <ReggieUK> ?
[14:11] <Yotson> biberao: i do. daily. but that won't help mrlespaulman
[14:12] <mrlespaulman> Thats probably a good idea
[14:12] <biberao> init=/bin/sh or something
[14:12] <biberao> you mean?
[14:12] <biberao> i lost my files too
[14:12] <bagpuss_thecat> talking of backups
[14:12] <biberao> the emergency shell says my partition is to big
[14:13] <biberao> 160gb
[14:13] <mrlespaulman> Note to self: Don't overclock, even if it is through Raspbian's handy-dandy menu
[14:14] <biberao> mrlespaulman: maybe your ubuntu is borked
[14:14] <biberao> :P
[14:15] <mrlespaulman> Well I'd much rather Raspbian be borked than my Ubuntu laptop
[14:15] <mrlespaulman> So let's pretend it's Raspbian
[14:15] <ReggieUK> it sounds like it's rasbian
[14:15] <biberao> mrlespaulman: then it could be worse
[14:15] <biberao> mrlespaulman: your pr** library isnt that bad
[14:15] <biberao> :p
[14:15] <mrlespaulman> lol
[14:16] <biberao> ReggieUK's is worse
[14:16] <biberao> well gtg
[14:16] <biberao> seeya
[14:16] <mrlespaulman> could fsck -y have done it?
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[14:17] <ReggieUK> probably not as such
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> mrlespaulman, have you looked in lost+found?
[14:17] <ReggieUK> fsck just fixed what it saw
[14:17] <mrlespaulman> apparently i need to be root to view lost+found
[14:17] <ReggieUK> sudo -i
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> I'm quite surprised at that level of corruption though. Have to say in many many years of Linux use, I've only very rarely seen big-levels of corruption.
[14:19] <mrlespaulman> Oh sweet I'm a rare case
[14:19] <mrlespaulman> I'm famous
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> I'm wondering if the distro you are using is doing something somewaht non-standard with the filesystem to try to make it faster ,etc.
[14:20] <mrlespaulman> Well, I know plenty of others who use the overclock through Raspbian and seem to make it out just fine
[14:20] <mrlespaulman> *know of
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm using overlock too.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> 1.1GHz on one Pi.
[14:20] <mrlespaulman> Yeah, i was only 950mhz
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> but only one is reliable at that speed )-:
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> so have you put the SD card in another PC and tried to read it?
[14:21] <mrlespaulman> I only have one linux pc
[14:21] <mrlespaulman> this one
[14:21] * bagpuss_thecat once had a disk failure that lost the root inode
[14:21] <mrlespaulman> unless windows reads ext4
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> ok, so the only Linux thing is the Pi?
[14:22] <mrlespaulman> No, the Pi and my Ubuntu laptop
[14:22] <mrlespaulman> which I'm on
[14:22] <mrlespaulman> And the SD card is ounted in here now
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> right - so put the card into the ubuntu pc and read it.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> copy the files off you need, then I'd start from scratch and re-create it.
[14:22] <mrlespaulman> ye, thats how I knew the folders were text files
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[14:23] <mrlespaulman> problem is, the files I needed were in the home folder
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> and they're not there now?
[14:24] <mrlespaulman> Well, the home folder is now a text file entitled "home"
[14:24] <mrlespaulman> along with boot, etc, proc, and mnt
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> text files?
[14:24] <mrlespaulman> Yeah.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> can you pastebin an ls -la on it?
[14:25] <mrlespaulman> how do I find my sdcard via commandline?
[14:25] <mrlespaulman> /dev/sdb2?
[14:25] <mrlespaulman> How do access it
[14:25] <mrlespaulman> Thats what I meant
[14:25] <swecide> is it mounted? just df -h
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> mrlespaulman, if you can't find it, how do you know they are all text files?
[14:27] <mrlespaulman> http://pastebin.com/kHEzDcKc
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[14:27] <mrlespaulman> I was using the gui
[14:27] <mrlespaulman> like a n00b
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[14:28] <mrlespaulman> Check out the pastebin link though.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> ok :)
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> so - yes. amazing.
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> I've never seen directoris turned into files. however what does the home 'file' say? cat home
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> also - see lost+found - any files that fsck recovered should be placed there - however they will be stored with the filenames turned into numbers.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> frankly, I'd jsut forget it and start again - I mean, just how much have you lost that you didn't have stored elsewhere?
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[14:31] <mrlespaulman> http://pastebin.com/QLX29RWp
[14:31] <mrlespaulman> just some scripts I did the other night
[14:31] <mrlespaulman> It's just annoying
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[14:35] <mrlespaulman> Well I'm gonna deal with reinstalling later
[14:36] <mrlespaulman> time to write some music
[14:36] <mrlespaulman> Thanks for your help though
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> sorry - went afk.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> if you can't recover anything from lost+found then it's a bit of a lost cause.
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> fsck will normally put any files it finds when it's scanning into lost+found.
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[14:52] <AgIt0> Hey guys! Just got my raspberry pi, and I am really interested in using the GPIO pins. But I know nearly nothing about electronics. Can you recomend a few books, or just dip into some tutorials?
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[15:01] <[SLB]> http://learn.adafruit.com/
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> you could start there, but it sort of assumes you know a little bit already.
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[15:10] <AgIt0> Thanks looks awesome will try it shortly actually :)
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[15:22] <mumbles> now to setup my new micro sd card for my phone
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[15:33] <codemagician> Gadgetoid: I thought about your python wiring project last night
[15:33] <Gadgetoid> codemagician: do tell?
[15:33] <codemagician> Gadgetoid: can I get the git url again
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[15:34] <codemagician> Gadgetoid: well, remember I said the C code would have different return codes based on the outcome of events
[15:34] <codemagician> Gadgetoid: it seemed as if you had written a python layer on top of the C code library right?
[15:34] <Gadgetoid> Pending version is here: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi-Python
[15:34] <Gadgetoid> codemagician: Mostly generated, but you could say "written" if you were being generous
[15:35] <Gadgetoid> My mirror of the C code lives here: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi
[15:35] <codemagician> one thing I noticed was that you had designed the Python API based on the variable args and effectively a facade on top of the c library calls
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[15:35] <Gadgetoid> With Gordon's original being here: http://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=summary
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[15:36] <Gadgetoid> codemagician: the general idea is to create a nice class-based wrapper that ultimately just fires the C library functions, but makes them??? prettier
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[15:37] <codemagician> Gadgetoid: my thought was that Python has it's own way of doing things that is familiar to python programmers. For example, the reason the c library returns exit codes as integers is because it doesn't support exception handling
[15:37] <codemagician> since Python supports exception handling it would make more sense for the python library to throw exceptions based on the return codes of the underlying c libary
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> therer's very few things that return an error code in wiringPi...
[15:38] <Gadgetoid> codemagician: human-readable language errors, then.. makes sense
[15:38] <codemagician> for example, the c library might try to do some activity. It fails and returns a LCD_PROBLEM_1 which is effectively just an integer return code
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> actually only the initial wiringPiSetup ...
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> and if that fails - then it's more or less game over.
[15:38] <des2> Darn ugly libraries...: http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/the-worlds-ugliest-buildings/10
[15:39] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: truethat
[15:39] <codemagician> instead of the python code doing the same, you would define a custom exception class LcdProblem and then have the python code say. if return_code == LCD_PROBLEM_1: raise LcdProblem()
[15:40] <codemagician> now the API is tidier because the caller can say??? try: wiring.doSomething() except: LcdProblem as e print "There was a problem with LCD number 1"
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a python programmer, but I feel you're solving a problem that doesn't exist.
[15:40] <codemagician> thus removing the need for ugly return codes from the underlying c library
[15:41] <codemagician> "ugly" meaning no semantic meaning (just ints)
[15:41] <codemagician> well, remember once people start using this python library it can never be changed
[15:41] <codemagician> so the API should be thought out carefully
[15:42] <codemagician> before people build their apps on top of it
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> maybe you're missing the point - if the wiringPiSetup/lcdSetup, etc. fails for whatever reason, it's game over. program no wory any more, dead, gone, kaput. gone to the great parrot forrset in the sky, etc.
[15:42] <codemagician> the c library can convey meaning to the python calling code by having a distinct set of return codes for every event
[15:43] <Gadgetoid> Never a truer word, I regret the lack of care I've taken with the APIs, they should be closely aligned!
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> so why no just ask me to change the C library then?
[15:43] <codemagician> and how will you know it's failed
[15:43] <codemagician> because python will just receive an exit code of 1 and no way of knowing what happened
[15:43] <codemagician> the python programmer just receives "error"
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> why don't you check errno ?
[15:43] <codemagician> no explanation and the c library has existed and finished with no further info
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> or doesn't python have that concept?
[15:44] <codemagician> but I noticed that there is no definition of exit codes for the c library
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> errno errno errno
[15:44] <codemagician> it either returns 0 or 1
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> if return is -1 then check errno.
[15:44] <codemagician> I ese
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> its' been like that for some 40 year snow.
[15:44] <codemagician> so can the python code get the errno?
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> currently wiringPi actually prints an error message as some errors don't fit in with the errno concept.
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> although I really want to remove all those prints and just make it return the error.
[15:46] <codemagician> as long as each event can exit with a different errno and python can read those the python library can abstract the errno concept and using it's native exception handling mechanics
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> I still feel youre solving a problem that doesn't exist.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> if wiringPi can't initialise - realistically, what can you do?
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> other than pring an error message, I really don't think thee is anytning you can do.
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[15:48] <codemagician> think from the perspective of a python caller
[15:48] <RudeViper> Holla folks
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> right - I write a program in programming languiage X to use the gpio - the call to setting up the gpio fails - my program can no-longer function so it exits.
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[15:49] <codemagician> exists without even saying what failed?
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't matter what the programming language it, if it needs X and can't get X, then it fails.
[15:50] <codemagician> so no exceptions
[15:50] <codemagician> no explanation as to what failed or what might need adjusting
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> why not just ask the author of wiringPi to add in error codes?
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[15:51] <codemagician> we have crossed wires, I thought that you wrote that part
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I do.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> but you've not asked me. you keep going on about exceptions, etc.
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[15:51] <codemagician> briefly, who wrote the c and who's writing the python
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> my point is that it's a waste of time because if you can't initialise wiringPi, etc. then you just print a message to that effect and die.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> I write the C.
[15:52] <codemagician> but you said the author of wiringPi isn't you?
[15:52] <codemagician> are there 3 people
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> No I didn't.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> I asked you to ask the author - ie. ask me. I've not been asked.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> but I'm saying it's a waste of time.
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[15:54] <codemagician> in the c code, I see a whole lot of exit codes
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> just what is your python program going to go with the knowledge that (say) mmap failed. You can't re-try it. You can't tell the user that as they'll just whinge about weird error messages - you might as well just say: Can't open gpio, sorry, doe.
[15:54] <codemagician> *exit points
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[15:55] <codemagician> so there are many reasons and things that can 'fail' right?
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html#id2878538
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[15:56] <gordonDrogon> many reasons, yes. in theory. in practice, the usual one is that you need to be root. once root, then everything else will "just work"
[15:56] <codemagician> my suggestion was just to pass back a unique errno for each scenario
[15:57] <codemagician> then the python library can raise different exception types based on those codes
[15:57] <Gadgetoid> I feel like I've been stabbed in the stomach by a sharpened pork saussage
[15:57] <codemagician> the end result is that a person using the python API can try: doSomethingOnDevice() except: SomeParticularEventType e
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> youre just overly complicating stuff for the sake of it.
[15:59] <codemagician> gordonDrogon: you just sent me a link with an exact explanation of what I have been saying from the outset
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> did you not read: Rule of Repair: Repair what you can ? but when you must fail, fail noisily and as soon as possible.
[16:00] <codemagician> yes
[16:00] <codemagician> fail noisily means pass back as much info to the call chain
[16:00] <codemagician> Well-designed programs cooperate with other programs by making as much sense as they can from ill-formed inputs; they either fail noisily or pass strictly clean and correct data to the next program in the chain.
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> ok. do feel free to fork a version of wiringPi and maintain your way. I'm not.
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> hanve a nice day, etc.
[16:01] <codemagician> ok, no need to listen to me I've only been a senior software engineer for 20 years
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> well if you want to willy wave about it, I beat you by 10 years.
[16:02] <codemagician> you wrote c in team before?
[16:02] <codemagician> I doubt it
[16:02] <codemagician> no err return codes whatsoever in any of your code
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[16:03] <RudeViper> basic question. I can't seem to access the remaining part of the sd drive on my pi running Raspbmc. Is it because the OS didn't format and mount it or is it cause there isn't anything left on the drive?
[16:03] <codemagician> Gadgetoid: good luck with the Python, you will need it
[16:04] <des2> How much is remaining, and did you put a partition on it ?
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[16:04] <des2> And have you run gparted ?
[16:04] <RudeViper> I just ran the setup program - nothing else
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[16:05] <des2> Is gparted installed on your pi ?
[16:06] <RudeViper> I do not know
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[16:06] <RudeViper> I have installed nothing but the raspbmc
[16:06] <des2> ah k
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> so who thinks it would be good for the MagPi to publish some BASIC programs to type into a Pi ;-)
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> I think it might be fun.
[16:09] <Gadgetoid> Go for it! Reminds me of the Commodore 64 days, ahh
[16:09] <Gadgetoid> Typing in pages of cheats, ha!
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[16:09] <des2> If you don't have gparted installed, try: sudo apt-get install gparted
[16:10] <Benighted> anyone have rcb working on openelec or raspbmc yet?
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> yea - trouble is, it's just to easy to wget the file if it's online...
[16:10] <RudeViper> ok - but first - do you know the command to get out of the GUI and into the console? The commands I was given yesterday don't work
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, Ctrl-Alt-F1
[16:11] <RudeViper> didn't work
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> wow.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> don't know then. You can try Ctrl+Alt+Backspace - that usually 'kills' X.
[16:14] <RudeViper> negative
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> so there's no menu options anywhere to exit?
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> in which case, maybe dump raspbmc and install standard raspbian.
[16:17] <des2> We need someone that's actually used Raspbmc and knows how to get a shell prompt. Anyone ?
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> I've never tried any of these media type installs...
[16:17] <RudeViper> gordonDrogon, for a programmer that is a stupid remark
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, if you say so.
[16:18] <des2> RudeViper I see there is a #raspbmc channel here on Freenode.
[16:19] <Benighted> I've used raspbmc, would either be under system settings, or raspbmc settings
[16:19] <RudeViper> ok - didn't see that - thanks des2
[16:19] <RudeViper> no there is an exit option but that just shuts off my monitor and reboots the pi
[16:20] <RudeViper> that option is under the power button on the screen
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm installing raspbmc just to see what it's all about.
[16:30] <RudeViper> Note to everyone - don't use the power button/exit mode to get into console - if your not fast enough it can gork your installation it just did mine
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[16:31] <RudeViper> all I get from it now is the blue bubble screen - lol
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll stick to raspbian afterall then...
[16:32] <RudeViper> guess the only way to get into the system on raspbmc is to ssh in
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[16:32] <RudeViper> here goes another 45 minutes to get back up and running - glad I am making all these mistakes early - lol
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> they do seem a little bit bandwidht limited. odd that they don't do a straightforward 2GB image
[16:33] <des2> If you don't have to reinstall at least 3 times you're doing it wrong...
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> seems to be downloading mine from arizona.edu... I'm in the UK ...
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> speed is a meager 1-2Mb/sec )-:
[16:35] <bagpuss_thecat> RaspBMC is really nice
[16:35] <bagpuss_thecat> it does the job well, and the auto-update mechanism is well done
[16:35] <Benighted> I prefer over openelec
[16:35] <bagpuss_thecat> haven't tried OpenElec yet, but it's on the cards
[16:36] <Benighted> if you like raspbmc there isn't much of a need
[16:36] <bagpuss_thecat> when I buy another R-Pi that is
[16:36] <bagpuss_thecat> all my XBMC frontends are Optiplex 755s. One day I'll replace them
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[16:37] <RudeViper> des2 This is install #5 so I must really be on the right track then
[16:37] <des2> heh
[16:38] <Benighted> bagpuss_thecat - fps is much better on raspbmc - just tested and about 10-15 fps on avg improvement over openelec
[16:38] <bagpuss_thecat> what's it like when pulling data over NFS?
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[16:39] <bagpuss_thecat> I've heard anecdotal reports that the buffer can't be kept full
[16:40] <Benighted> haven't setup nfs yet, but flawless smb streaming
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> there's a few tuning tweaks on nfs to make the read/write buffers big, but it's nothing desperate.
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[16:43] <bagpuss_thecat> cool. there is hope then :-)
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> nolock,hard,intr,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,bg,proto=tcp,nfsvers=3,fsc
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> is the usual options I use.
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[16:47] <bagpuss_thecat> ta
[16:47] <bagpuss_thecat> ooh, fsc
[16:47] <bagpuss_thecat> working well for you?
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> er, no.
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[16:47] <bagpuss_thecat> :-)
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> actually I turned caching off.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> seems to cause more issues that it might solve.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> for now anyway.
[16:48] <DeliriumTremens> http://i.imgur.com/w39Eo.png
[16:48] <DeliriumTremens> :3
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> I used my wifes PC as a test :) And what used to happen was that cacehfilesd would fill up the 32GB SSD it has - so I turned it off on her PC and she's not noticed any difference - the LAN to her ofice is only 100Mb too.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I have a screen with a fancy big R on it on the raspbmc Pi.
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> wonder what happens next.
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[16:50] <DeliriumTremens> xbmc loads?
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[16:50] <nid0> filled up the ssd?
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[16:50] <nid0> how did you manage that :s
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> oh, now it's changed - it's behind me, so I need to keep looknig back. Hm.
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[16:52] <acexor> hello gents
[16:52] <acexor> and femmes'
[16:53] <acexor> any1 have any experience with the xbmc distros for pi?
[16:55] <DeliriumTremens> a little, yes
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[16:55] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: at least it worked for you. I didn't get anything cached. I didn't try too hard though, as I've got GigE everywhere
[16:57] <Benighted> acexor yes
[16:57] <acexor> well the reason i ask was
[16:57] <acexor> because im wondering if there is one distro better than the other
[16:57] <acexor> or
[16:57] <DeliriumTremens> i've only used raspbmc
[16:57] <acexor> is it personal preference at that point
[16:57] <DeliriumTremens> with quite good success
[16:57] <acexor> gotcha
[16:57] <Benighted> raspbmc seems to have better framerates
[16:58] <Benighted> they are virtually identical otherwise
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[16:58] <DeliriumTremens> raspbmc is also in very alpha stages
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit 'clunky' with the mouse (raspbmc)
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> pretty though.
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[16:59] <DeliriumTremens> havent used a mouse with mine yet
[16:59] <DeliriumTremens> just my tv remote
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> I don't have any IR capabilities for the Pi.
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[17:07] <bagpuss_thecat> I swear I'm going to throw this kit out the window
[17:07] <bagpuss_thecat> driving me up the proverbial wall
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> your Pi?
[17:08] <atouk> yeah, fun. ain't it? ;)
[17:08] <bagpuss_thecat> a remote Dell PV-124T loader
[17:08] <bagpuss_thecat> words can't describe how awful it is, and this channel won't let me use the language to try
[17:08] <nid0> ugh, tapes
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Tapes :)
[17:10] <Cheery> hi gordonDrogon
[17:10] <bagpuss_thecat> the TL2000s and TL4000s are mostly reliable, but these wee PV-124T are the spawn of satan
[17:10] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: saw this already= https://github.com/cheery/node-video
[17:10] <Cheery> ?
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> no, not seen it.
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[17:16] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: what do you think about it?
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> it looks intersting - if it's idea is to make it easy for people to get into graphics programming..
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[17:20] <gordonDrogon> so does raspbmc not recognise .mp4 files?
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[17:23] <Hoerie> <+gordonDrogon> so does raspbmc not recognise .mp4 files? <-- I think they worked for me (RC4 though)
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[17:24] <atouk> trees starting to come down
[17:24] <Xalior> I keep forgetting this place exists :)
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[17:29] <atouk> new raspi-config
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[18:02] <d3nd3> any play quake 3?
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[18:04] <RudeViper> can anyone give me the actual path to the Debian Desktop - there is a picture there that I want to move to the pi via ssh?
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[18:04] <linuxstb> RudeViper: ~/Desktop/ is usual
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[18:11] <RudeViper> ok - trying to transfer a picture 2.4 mb on raspbmc locked up the pi -
[18:11] <RudeViper> lol
[18:11] <atouk> overclock/sd card?
[18:12] <RudeViper> no I didn't
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> so...
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> that was raspbmc. it plays videos. how cool is that!
[18:16] <d3nd3> quake 3 @ internet play = crash ,but locally works ;/
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, it exits to a terminal when I push the power button. it gives me a login.
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, need to push 'esc' on the keyboard.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> this is the first time I've had a Pi play video.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> and sound.
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> (other than doom)
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> sorry if I seem a bit excited, but I see what people see in this whole media stuff now.
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> it's an intersting concept.
[18:18] <crypt0s> anyone on here built the raspi kernel from lp0? https://github.com/lp0/linux
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[18:19] <crypt0s> or successfully built the raspi default kernel with cross-compile?
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[18:19] <gordonDrogon> think I'll have some lunch now.
[18:19] <RudeViper> gordonDrogon, I realize that - and probably on most systems it works - but it shuts my monitor off too - and by the time I get the monitor on that screen in gone - I saw it on my composite monitor but not on the hdmi one - that is a problem on my end not the pi
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[18:20] <RudeViper> I am able to ssh into it now though just can't seem to get it to transfer a file for me - probably a syntax error in my command or something
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, I have an hdmi one - it times out on the login & re-launched xbmc after about 30 seconds though.
[18:21] <des2> file can be transferred via sftp or just ftp.
[18:21] <des2> Do you have sftp ?
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> I used ftp - any of the 's' things will be slower.
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[18:21] <des2> yeah what Gordon said.
[18:21] <RudeViper> for some dumb reason it actually tunrns off my monitor - lol
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> what I did find was a sym link in /home/pi/media to /media, but the permissions/owner of /media were root.root
[18:22] <RudeViper> hmmm - wonder if that is my problem with the file transfer then
[18:22] <d3nd3> scp myimage.jpg root@
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> once I had a file in /media, it seemed to go through some sort of re-indexing thing then it found it and I was able to play it - so I've been watching a dr. who episode for the past 45 minutes...
[18:22] <RudeViper> p: cannot stat `~Desktop/Shrimpfest-2012.jpg': No such file or directory
[18:23] <RudeViper> d3nd3, ok I will try that
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> there are no files in ~ by default - at least none in mine.
[18:24] <cubicool> Any developers in here familiar with the internal purpose of the src_rect structure in the vc example code?
[18:25] <RudeViper> um - whats the stock root password?
[18:26] <DeliriumTremens> raspberry
[18:26] <RudeViper> that is what I thought - it isn't working
[18:26] <d3nd3> are you running ssh as root ?
[18:26] <atouk> do sudo passwd root and change it
[18:26] <d3nd3> if not, replace root with the user you run it as
[18:28] <RudeViper> ok now I am getting the original error -- the pssword is fixed
[18:28] <d3nd3> which problem?
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[18:28] <d3nd3> what os are you running on your other pc ?
[18:28] <RudeViper> cp: cannot stat `/~Desktop/Shrimpfest-2012.jpg': No such file or directory
[18:28] <RudeViper> running Debian
[18:28] <d3nd3> its ~/
[18:28] <d3nd3> not /~
[18:28] <RudeViper> ok
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[18:29] <RudeViper> same error though and I know the file and directory exhist - I put the picture on my desktop
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[18:30] <atouk> `~/Desktop/Shrimp*.*'
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[18:31] <d3nd3> don't use double quotes with ~, because that won't work
[18:31] <IT_Sean> "~"
[18:31] <IT_Sean> ?
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[18:31] <RudeViper> ok I figured it out - it is looking on the pi for the desktop
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[18:31] <d3nd3> also just check the file is there with .. ls ~/Desktop | grep Shrimp
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[18:32] <d3nd3> ok
[18:32] <RudeViper> it's there I see it
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[18:33] <d3nd3> did you type this scp command on your pi
[18:33] <d3nd3> or your pc
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[18:33] <RudeViper> pc -
[18:34] <RudeViper> I am ssh into pi - I need to move file from pc runing debian to pi
[18:34] <d3nd3> scp file root@ip.of.pi:destinationpath
[18:34] <d3nd3> lol
[18:35] <d3nd3> scp myimage.jpg root@
[18:35] <d3nd3> this is the command
[18:35] <d3nd3> if you do it from the Desktkop folder
[18:35] <d3nd3> cd ~/Desktop
[18:35] <[SLB]> from the pi you can also use scp to copy from pc
[18:36] <[SLB]> scp pc.user@pc.ip:pc.path/file pi.path/
[18:36] <RudeViper> ok - the problem is I am logged into the pi from the root terminal - so I need to log into the pi from destop
[18:36] <[SLB]> interchangeable, however you prefer
[18:36] <d3nd3> is that only if he is running an ssh server on his local pc ?
[18:37] <[SLB]> yes sorry i assumed he does?
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[18:39] <RudeViper> now I'm not getting any response from the command - is that cause it is doing it and it is taking some time?
[18:39] <d3nd3> yes
[18:39] <d3nd3> probably so
[18:39] <d3nd3> its really simple, its all in one command
[18:39] <d3nd3> when its done, you will find the file on the pi
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[18:40] <[SLB]> wait, there may be a simpler way, you are running a graphical interface on your local pc?
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, if ssh'd into raspbmc, then sudo -i
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[18:40] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, will get you to root, then passwd root
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> and enter a new password.
[18:40] <RudeViper> yes I am running X on debian machine
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[18:40] <RudeViper> in a virtual box
[18:41] <[SLB]> if so, just open sftp://pi.ip in the file explorer, say nautilus or whatever you are using
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> Just use ftp - the Pi is slow for the encrypted stuff, and it's really not needed on your own LAN.
[18:41] <RudeViper> ssh: connect to host 192.168.4 port 22: Connection timed out
[18:41] <RudeViper> lost connection
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[18:42] <[SLB]> i just use sftp because it comes along with sshd but yea
[18:43] <RudeViper> not working
[18:43] <[SLB]> 192.168.4 is not a valid ip
[18:43] <d3nd3> ^^
[18:44] <RudeViper> it is on my system - I just pinged it
[18:44] <nid0> no it isnt
[18:44] <nid0> and no you didnt
[18:44] <[SLB]> ^
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[18:44] <RudeViper> that is the internal ip on my network
[18:44] <[SLB]> an ip is composed of 4 bytes, not 3
[18:44] <RudeViper> oh crap - I see it
[18:44] <d3nd3> 1.4
[18:44] <d3nd3> 0.4
[18:45] <RudeViper> ssh: connect to host 192.168.4 port 22: Connection timed out
[18:45] <RudeViper> lost connection
[18:45] <d3nd3> ??
[18:45] <[SLB]> again?
[18:45] <nid0> thats still an invalid ip.
[18:45] <Cheery> anyone of you written some webgl stuff?
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[18:47] <RudeViper> I don't know why the .1 isn't showing in here but it is there on the term
[18:48] <RudeViper> bash: sftp://pi@ No such file or director
[18:48] <[SLB]> not in bash
[18:49] <des2> type: sftp
[18:49] <des2> Then > put filename-goes-here
[18:49] <RudeViper> I did in a terminal window
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[18:57] <mumbles> photo fo my dead pi https://dl.dropbox.com/u/90210239/20121029_174042.jpg
[18:58] <Spiffy> Why did you kill it? :P
[18:59] <mumbles> I dident.it smelt hot
[18:59] <Spiffy> Oh
[18:59] <RudeViper> hmmm - it says permission denied when I try so move the file
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[19:03] <RudeViper> hahahahaha - figured it out - had to chmod the dire
[19:03] <RudeViper> dir
[19:04] <RudeViper> thanks for the info though. I was trying to do this in terminal not in file manager
[19:05] <tinti> does anyone have succeeded using kdgb on rpi
[19:05] <tinti> ?
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[19:07] <RudeViper> I guess maybe a 2mb picture for a profile pic is too much
[19:08] <RudeViper> pi seems to be locked up agian
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[19:13] <jmadero> hi all, if someone has a bit of time can you check out my question on the forum http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=21434
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[19:14] <des2> jmadero there is also a #raspbmc irc channel here.
[19:14] <jmadero> des2: good to know, active?
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[19:15] <des2> lots of people there
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[19:27] <crypt0s> fuckin compile errors, lol
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> crypt0s, what type of compile errors was that?
[19:29] <crypt0s> was compiling a raspi fork of linux 3.5 -- lp0. Had a bunch of fails on netfilter
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> indeed...
[19:30] <crypt0s> the stock raspi kernel wasn't compiling because of a clock issue -- might have been related to this documented bug: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=16267
[19:30] <crypt0s> I pulled from the stock kernel config though -- one would have thought it'd have the right settings lol.
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[19:31] <Anto|ne> Hello
[19:31] <crypt0s> ah
[19:32] <crypt0s> netfilter compile errors in the stock kernel
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[19:32] <Anto|ne> I got a raspbian from my raspberrypi (128Mo Ram), i need to change anything to use it in the new 256Mo Ram ?
[19:32] <crypt0s> anyone else run into this bug?
[19:32] <aaa801> you mean 512mb
[19:32] <Anto|ne> yes sorry
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[19:32] <aaa801> Just set the memory split in the config
[19:33] <aaa801> o wait
[19:33] <aaa801> they changed everything
[19:33] <aaa801> :s
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[19:34] <Anto|ne> ??
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[19:34] <aaa801> Im actualy not sure what you have to change now, it used to be a case of just renaming the split, but they dumped that lately
[19:36] <[SLB]> gpu_mem
[19:36] <[SLB]> and you must update the firmware
[19:37] <Anto|ne> arf ok..
[19:37] <Anto|ne> thanks
[19:37] <[SLB]> yw
[19:37] <Anto|ne> but if i upgrade
[19:37] <Anto|ne> firmeware will be compatible in 2 versions of raspberrypi ?
[19:37] <jelly1> Anto|ne: what distro are you uisng?
[19:38] <jelly1> *using
[19:38] <Anto|ne> (just change in config)
[19:38] <Anto|ne> raspbian
[19:38] <[SLB]> yes
[19:38] <Anto|ne> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[19:39] <[SLB]> not sure since when it's enabled for 512mb
[19:39] <[SLB]> but that seems a bit old
[19:39] <Anto|ne> ok
[19:40] <Anto|ne> Thanks
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[19:40] <Essobi> Have they patched the EXTFS4 eating bug in the raspbian updates?
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[19:41] <mumbles> is missing useing his rasberry pi
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[19:46] <crypt0s> drivers/built-in.o: In function `sdhci_send_command':
[19:46] <crypt0s> clkdev.c:(.text+0x892d4): undefined reference to `enable_llm'
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[19:49] <sKeiths> hi, i done apt-get install screen and it tried to fetch a .deb file. pi does not have internet. i downloaded the .deb and transfered it onto the pi. where can i put the deb so it don't try to look for it on internet
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[19:51] <Dyskette> sKeiths: /var/cache/apt/archives I think
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[19:51] <sKeiths> i will try that.
[19:53] <sKeiths> perfect. thanks Dynetrekk
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[19:53] <swecide> I curious why you wouldn't just dpkg -i *.deb
[19:54] <[SLB]> ^
[19:54] <sKeiths> i am a newbie.
[19:54] <sKeiths> didn't think of that
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not sure I like the errors I'm getting from apt-get update...
[19:58] <Essobi> O_o
[19:58] <Essobi> what now?
[19:59] <cyclick> If I have a windows share that was mounted but is not currently available (server got disconnected), it takes more then 10 minutes to execute the "ls" command in the parent folder (for example if it was mounted at /home/pi/movies and I do "ls /home/pi")... Any way to fix that?
[20:01] <DeliriumTremens> what is going on in the background?
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I think I have have my first SD card corruption...
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> if I have, it will be such a bother )-:
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> [208324.434392] mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> [208324.435573] mmcblk0: error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x900
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[20:02] <bertrik> gordonDrogon: congrats ... :|
[20:02] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: ouch. I had mine last week.
[20:02] <Essobi> err a few weeks ago.
[20:02] <Essobi> Is that related to the ext4 kernel bug?
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> Essobi, unlikely - it's on the /boot (vfat) partition.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> and I've not rebooted this pi yet.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> just did an upgrade and lots of things failed. /boot is almost empty.
[20:04] <cyclick> deliriumTremens, not sure what happens in the background .. I dont get any output for all this time.. in fact it is more like 15 minutes
[20:04] <DeliriumTremens> i meant, can you do top and see what is taking up resroucrs?
[20:04] <DeliriumTremens> resources
[20:04] <DeliriumTremens> man, i screwed that up
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not having a good day. one pi crashed during update, one with sd card errors, one ok.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit of a bother.
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[20:05] <[SLB]> do you get segfaults on calling commands?
[20:06] <DeliriumTremens> but at least you have 3 pis
[20:06] <DeliriumTremens> [SLB]: that happened to me once :D
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], not yet. going to check some stuff before I do a reboot..
[20:06] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: oh sweet baby jebus. :(
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[20:07] <[SLB]> eheh, to me too, had to fsck it but went smooth
[20:07] <cyclick> DeliriumTremens, nothing taking CPU power.. top itself is at the top with 1.5% or something like that
[20:08] <cyclick> DeliriumTremens, when ls is finally successful, I get this error: ls: cannot access movies: Host is down
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[20:08] * DeliriumTremens shrugs
[20:08] <[SLB]> worst it happened is that it ate some files, found later in lost&found and easily fixed installing the corrupted packages on top of them
[20:09] <[SLB]> fsck -fC, that is
[20:09] <cyclick> DeliriumTremens, but it does list that directory
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the 2 Pis that were having issues are being powered off the same hub...
[20:09] <DeliriumTremens> [SLB]: i just reinstalled
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm now wondering if this new turbo thing is causing power spikes to kick in.
[20:09] <cyclick> http://pastie.org/5133773
[20:10] <DeliriumTremens> is the host, in fact, down?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> I think I need to build a proper Pi Power Brick myself.
[20:10] <rikkib> libluajit-5.1-common libraspberrypi-bin libraspberrypi-dev libraspberrypi-doc libraspberrypi0 luajit raspberrypi-bootloader raspi-config
[20:10] <rikkib> new stuff
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[20:11] <cyclick> DeliriumTremens, the host is not down as I am executing the ls from that host.. but I am not trying to list files in the windows share anyways but 1 level up
[20:11] <rikkib> asb has not bothered to add the code I wrote to raspi-config
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[20:16] <rikkib> reboot
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> Gah. I've just searched maplin site for transformers too.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> they have a nice torroidal one, but it's out of stock.
[20:17] <rikkib> apt-get update seems to have handled the fact I manually updated the kernel a couple days ago.
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[20:21] <rikkib> I wonder how long motion will last before it crashes the uvc kernel driver
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - segfaults the kernel panics...
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[20:22] <bircoe> if it's anywhere near as stable as the x86 version... I get months and months without issue
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[20:23] <rikkib> Not on the RPi... Has been crashing now for two months
[20:23] <rikkib> The last kernel that does work is from the 7th month
[20:23] <bircoe> i see
[20:23] <rikkib> I have two RPi
[20:23] <bircoe> what distro?
[20:24] <rikkib> One runs faultlessly
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[20:24] <rikkib> Raspbian
[20:24] <bircoe> that's a surprise
[20:24] <rikkib> The old kernel but it has issues. Can't run keyboard and cam at same time
[20:25] * maicod is unlucky with overclocking. I used the most modest setting in raspi-config and already my filesys is damaged :( (I got backups don't worry). will this mean a higher overclock setting will certainly not work either ?
[20:25] <Jimu> mumbles: it looks like the component on the right (D17) is broken?
[20:26] <bircoe> maicod, I've overclocked mine for months, they require pretty modest settings, but the very first time I tried core_freq=333 it corrupted the data partition... boot partition survived
[20:26] <rikkib> Looks like reverse polarity to me
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[20:26] <maicod> bircoe: I used the 800/300 setting
[20:27] <maicod> the first one in raspi-config overclock settings
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[20:27] <bircoe> Diodes are supposed to protect against reverse polarity, I'd say that's more of an over current fault
[20:27] <maicod> maybe a higher one WITH overvolt will work ?
[20:27] <bircoe> maicod, try this:
[20:27] <bircoe> arm_freq=850
[20:27] <bircoe> core_freq=300
[20:27] <bircoe> sdram_freq=400
[20:27] <bircoe> perfectly stable on both of my Pi's
[20:27] <maicod> OK will do that once I restored my backup :)
[20:27] <maicod> thanks
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[20:28] <maicod> bircoe: I got all kinds of inodes crosslinked on mmcblk0p2 :(
[20:28] <bircoe> nice
[20:28] <maicod> heh
[20:28] <bircoe> i couldn't be bothered checking what failed, just repartitioned the card and moved on!
[20:28] <maicod> will do so :)
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[20:29] <rikkib> bircoe, The diode protects by shorting reverse voltage and causing a fuse to blow. If there is no fuse then fault current blows the diode and everything else on the board will die
[20:29] <maicod> bircoe: how can I create a backup with dd so that I can use the win32diskimager to restore it whilst not backuping the part of my card thats not partitioned ?
[20:30] <rikkib> The board is a brick
[20:30] <maicod> hi atouk
[20:30] <atouk> keep getting power surge reboots
[20:30] <maicod> Sandy ?
[20:30] <atouk> yup
[20:30] <maicod> :(
[20:31] <maicod> maybe you need a surge protection?
[20:31] <atouk> scanners on. trees down and power line fires all over the place
[20:31] <maicod> damn
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> right. one Pi resurected. it's definateyl the turbo mode - probably the sdram settings that's killing it.
[20:32] <maicod> gordonDrogon: where's the Dragon :)
[20:32] <rikkib> See a pic on the morning news of a crane folded over by the wind
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[20:32] <maicod> guys out there hope you don't get wet feet or worse or power cuts
[20:33] <maicod> in netherlands most power lines are underground
[20:33] <bircoe> maicod, dd if=/dev/sdX of=image.img
[20:33] <maicod> bircoe: thanks but that will backup all of the card huh?
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[20:34] <bircoe> ahh k
[20:34] <bircoe> first partition would be /dev/sdX1
[20:34] <maicod> bircoe: the guys of wheezy have made a smaller image of JUST the 2 partitions .
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> maicod, no dragons here! Drogons all the way ;-)
[20:34] <maicod> haha
[20:35] * rikkib turns his antenna towards the US. Not many signals today on 10 meters
[20:35] <maicod> rikkib: u close to the border ?
[20:36] <maicod> u mean wifi signals huh
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[20:36] <mumbles> Jimu: yeh
[20:36] <bircoe> rikkib, you are correct if the Diode is in parallel, I am correct if it's in series.
[20:36] * rikkib has no borders. Only sea
[20:37] <bircoe> not looked closely enough at the schematic to know which one
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[20:39] <rikkib> Guess what? I have tested the power in circuit. Power down you RPi and put a meter across tp1 tp 2
[20:40] <rikkib> Switch the meter leads.
[20:40] <maicod> it shows 1.75 here
[20:40] <maicod> I rememberred :)
[20:40] <maicod> maybe my powered hub is powering that voltage onto the P
[20:40] <maicod> Pi
[20:41] <rikkib> D17 = Back to back zener diode
[20:41] <rikkib> Across the power in
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[20:42] <maicod> rikkib: I meant voltage accross tp1 and tp2 when the pi was powered off
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[20:42] <rikkib> Of course overvoltage would kill the part
[20:43] <rikkib> maicod, Sorry my words are related to another issue mumbles had
[20:44] <maicod> oh sorry. I just replied in general about the voltage between tp1 and tp2 when the Pi has no power :) I shouldve not intervened :)
[20:44] <maicod> I will be back later. need to reboot to Ubuntu
[20:44] <bircoe> maicod, with dd the only way to get the parts that only have data is to image each partition separately, if you just image the device it does the whole thing, empty space and all, on the plus side you can compress the image afterwoods and the empty space won't take up disc space then
[20:45] <maicod> bircoe: yeah what I want is this: backup bootblock/part1/part2 into one image but not beyond the end of part2 if the sdcard has space left
[20:46] <bircoe> well i guess you can do that but you have to know where the image ends
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> what's the latest rune for the gpu memory things in config.txt ?
[20:46] <bircoe> you can specify the number of blocks to backup
[20:46] <maicod> bircoe: can I use the end blocks of part2 when doing fdisk -l ?
[20:47] <bircoe> bs=1024 count=0 seek=$[1024*100] this would image the first 100mb
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[20:47] <maicod> what does the $ do ?
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[20:47] <bircoe> maths expresion
[20:47] <maicod> ah ok
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[20:48] <maicod> I will try this then ! if say I know part2 ends before 4 GB mark I just make it 1024*4096
[20:48] <bircoe> might just do the trick
[20:48] <maicod> hehe thanks
[20:48] <bircoe> write the image to a spare card afterwoods
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[20:48] <maicod> to check it out huh
[20:48] <bircoe> just to be sure that it's all good
[20:48] <maicod> yea
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[20:48] <rikkib> variable containing a math expression
[20:48] <maicod> good idea ;)
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[20:49] <maicod> I could do seek=4096m ?
[20:49] <maicod> M
[20:50] <maicod> don't I need to use a bs ?
[20:50] <bircoe> there's many ways to do it
[20:50] <maicod> maybe bs=1024K ?
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[20:50] <bircoe> you could also do bs=1M count=4096
[20:50] <maicod> Ok
[20:51] <rikkib> bs=4M writes fast
[20:52] <maicod> isnt that too much caching ?
[20:52] <rikkib> But takes time to clear buffer at end
[20:52] <maicod> ah yea
[20:52] <rikkib> sync
[20:52] <rikkib> I use 4M on my class 10 card
[20:53] * rikkib had a really frustrating day getting gitolite running
[20:55] <maicod> bs=1M count=0 seek=4M would be good ?
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[20:56] <RudeViper> anyone know how to access a usb drive plugged in the Raspbmc?
[20:58] <rikkib> Technically it should mount when plugged in. Does Raspbmc have a file manager?
[20:58] <maicod> maybe its mounted under /media ?
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[21:00] <RudeViper> maicod, I dont see it there - rikkib - it does but I don't see the drive
[21:00] <maicod> maybe lsusb ?
[21:00] <maicod> it will list mounted usb drives
[21:00] <maicod> not sure if thats helpful :)
[21:00] <RudeViper> pi didn't pick up the drive - had to plug it back in
[21:01] <maicod> maybe the device name is there also and you can use mount to mount that device
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[21:03] <RudeViper> Got it - I can even transfer some files to the SD card - anyone know what the largest size sd card that can be used for pi?
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[21:03] <rikkib> kc4tvz is a real keen Ham. Always calling CQ on 10 meters
[21:03] <maicod> I think 32GB
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[21:03] <RudeViper> KD4UVI here
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[21:04] * rikkib makes a note
[21:04] <zleap> hello
[21:04] * rikkib zl1upb
[21:04] <zleap> how are you ?
[21:04] <RudeViper> Howdy fellow ham -
[21:04] <zleap> fellow ham ?
[21:05] <RudeViper> You thinking of all kinds of neat things that this pi can be used for on amateur radio?
[21:05] <RudeViper> zleap - talking to rikkib
[21:05] <zleap> sorry
[21:06] <rikkib> No... Not really. Maybe later I will look at my G1000 rotor
[21:06] <RudeViper> Wow - copying files to sd card on this thing is SLOWWWWWWW
[21:06] <rikkib> and G550
[21:06] <rikkib> My focus is on a security appliance
[21:06] <rikkib> Gate opener with cam/audio
[21:07] <RudeViper> I as thinking of getting a baycom modem and one of those diode controlled radios and using it for a packet node or even a packet bbs
[21:07] <rikkib> Button at gate to call end point intercom tpye thingy
[21:07] <RudeViper> nice
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[21:08] <rikkib> Problem is in its current devel stage it is not stable
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[21:08] <rikkib> Security needs absolute stability
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[21:12] <gordonDrogon> well. mamaged to resurec both those Pi's without resorting to re-flashing.
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> and it definately seems to be the sram overclocking that's the issue.
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[21:13] * rikkib have never been a fan of overclocking
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> combined with possibly sub-optimal PSUs.
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> now running memtester on all 3.
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> @900MHz
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> butstandard sdram speeds.
[21:14] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Do you run your own git server?
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[21:16] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: I think I've implemented enough of the webgl that I can try it out.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, yes.
[21:17] <rikkib> Packages you use?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> Cheery, good luck! It's something I've never looked at - the only linux graphics for me has been SDL.
[21:17] <rikkib> Please
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, er gitweb.
[21:17] <rikkib> K
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, and git-daemon.
[21:18] <rikkib> I set up gitolite yesterday
[21:18] <rikkib> Frustrating
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> gitweb is a set of cgi's that work from apache.
[21:18] <rikkib> That is what I want
[21:19] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: I'm going to need it. thanks
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, I don't think it was too hard - https://git.drogon.net/
[21:20] <rikkib> Thanks
[21:20] <rikkib> You must do a lot of writing
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[21:22] <gordonDrogon> sometimes.
[21:22] <rikkib> I have huge issues writing... Stroke survivor. Have to check a zillion times and I still miss stuff.
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> and sometimes I go for days without doing anyting
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> might run my disk torture test on the SD cards overnight too....
[21:23] <rikkib> I used to spend at least a week every month putting out a newsletter for my Ham hobby site. ZLHam Bandscope
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[21:27] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, SPI question or two. From what I see the spi driver does not support the full range of what the cpu spi module does. Is this correct from what you know?
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> er. no idea.
[21:27] <rikkib> K
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> from what I can tell, the kernel driver does everything correctly.
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> I don't know what else it could do that isn't supported.
[21:28] <rikkib> 16 bit + crc
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> it will do 16 bit xfers if you ask it to.
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> as for crc's ... is there spi hardware that uses crc's ?
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> news to me.
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[21:29] <rikkib> My stm32v does true 16 bit + auto crc
[21:29] <rikkib> I thing the bcm spi driver does a dummy type 16 bit
[21:29] <rikkib> type of
[21:30] <rikkib> It only has a 8 bit buffer
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> is keeps CS low for the bytes transfered - however there is a gap, or a stretched clock between bytes.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> I think this is a limitation of the hardware.
[21:30] <rikkib> I need to go back to the data sheet etc
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> there is a 16-byte FIFO from what I gather - the kernel driver tries to keep it full.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> but I did read something in the forums about added latency, so that might be something to do with it.
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[21:32] <rikkib> I can handle the data that comes out of the RPi spi
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[21:32] <rikkib> It is the way it is loaded at the moment from what I can gather
[21:32] <rikkib> 8 bits at a time
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> you can write a buffer of up to 4K
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> you don't need to get your program to send it byte at a time.
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> that's just bonkers!
[21:33] <zgreg> 16 bit + crc?!
[21:33] <zgreg> spi does neither specify transfer size nor any crc algorithm
[21:33] <rikkib> 16bit stream + crc at end
[21:34] <rikkib> fixed packet size stuff
[21:34] <rikkib> hdlc
[21:34] <zgreg> well you handle that yourself
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> excactly. SPI is just a synchronous serial transfer bus.
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[21:34] <biberao> hi
[21:34] <biberao> so
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> the kernel will let you write 1 byte or 4096 bytes at a time.
[21:34] <rikkib> I am trying to figure out if I need to add stuff to the kernel driver
[21:34] <biberao> sandy is comign?
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[21:35] <zgreg> rikkib: no
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, no -
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> the kernel driver provides the transport - if you want to impose a protocol on-top of that, then you do that in your own programs.
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> otherwise, how would I talk to an SPI device that doesn't use CRC, etc. ?
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[21:36] <gordonDrogon> e.g. all the SPI deivces I've used so-far don't need CRCs.
[21:36] <zgreg> TL;DR SPI is layer 1, HDLC encapsulation or whatever is layer 2-4
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> the A/D needs 3 bytes. the D/A 2 bytes. the IO expanders 2 or 3 bytes, the LED strings - 1000's of bytes..
[21:36] <rikkib> As you have noted, there are latencies.
[21:37] <rikkib> To make the stm32v go as fast it can I need to look into everything and have done a first read of all I can find.
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, remember it's the master that drives the clock.
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> and I don't think there is a slave SPI driver for the Pi yet.
[21:39] <rikkib> I have used hdlc over blowfish encrypted links (GSM)
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> SPI isn't hdlc.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> although you might be able to implement some sort of hdlc over SPI if you want.
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> it's not really full duplex though
[21:40] <rikkib> I intend to use hdlc or something similar...
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> I think you might be overcomplicating things.
[21:40] <rikkib> I know where everything fits in the puzzle
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> if you just want to pass arbitary binary data from A to B.
[21:41] <zgreg> yeah
[21:41] <rikkib> I am establishing parameters
[21:41] <rikkib> atm
[21:41] <RudeViper> ooooops I guess the pie isn't too big on multi-tasking - lol
[21:41] <zgreg> any kind of encapsulation adds overhead
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, huh? it's very good...
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[21:43] <rikkib> zgreg, I want to transfer 46K as fast as I can
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[21:43] <rikkib> stm32v screeen data
[21:43] <rikkib> get back touch screen data
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[21:44] <rikkib> int line from stm32v to RPi
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> in which case, don't add any protocol overheard to it.
[21:44] <rikkib> touch screen RPi gets data
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> just blit it over.
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[21:45] <rikkib> yes but also want some checking of commands
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> maybe you need a low-bandwidth channel for stuff like touchscreen - e.g. serial?
[21:45] <rikkib> so a command structure
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[21:46] <rikkib> I have i2c spi and serial
[21:47] <rikkib> I have plenty of options just need to fugure the best way to do it all
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> forget i2c for now - serial is full duplex and can run at 11500 baud - fast enough for a simple command channel
[21:47] <zgreg> well, why don't you just use SPI for the bulk data (i.e. display updates) and i2c for touchscreen/interrupts?
[21:48] <rikkib> I am going to hook to the RPi serial and spi. Whether I need to use i2c is up for debate atm
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> I'd use serial as you'd need to poll using I2c.
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[21:48] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: huh, the pi cannot be an i2c slave?
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> the remote could send stuff back asynchronously via serial.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> zgreg, actually, I've no idea, but I didn't think it could be at present...
[21:49] <piney0> can't you bitbang an i2c slave?
[21:49] <piney0> the pi as an i2c slave*
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> piney0, it's getting data back asynchronously - well, I don't know if that's a requrement, but it's relatively easy via serial.
[21:49] <zgreg> probably, but question is how efficient that would be
[21:50] <piney0> good point
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> depends on the data - touchscreen - a simple position, pressure, etc ? seems fairly low bandwidth to me..
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> I mean - we used to have serial mice once uponatime :)
[21:50] <rikkib> hmmmm
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[21:51] <rikkib> I also have usb and usb-serial on the stym32v
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> KISS ...
[21:52] <rikkib> Already tested stmflash on the RPi
[21:52] <rikkib> So people can just buy the board without the need for jtag
[21:52] <rikkib> and just load the s/w
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> what is this board?
[21:53] <rikkib> stm32v Hy-mini
[21:53] <rikkib> From China
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[21:54] <gordonDrogon> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-STM32-HY-MINI-STM32V-Development-Board-STM32F103VCT6-With-3-2-LCD/312788_425312334.html
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> like that?
[21:54] <rikkib> Like that
[21:55] <rikkib> And that is where I get them from
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[21:55] <rikkib> $50usd each or so
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> Heh. $35 for the board, $37.50 shipping...
[21:56] <rikkib> Good bang for your buck
[21:56] <rikkib> I run FreeRTOS on them
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[21:57] <gordonDrogon> nice little toys, I guess.
[21:58] <rikkib> You need a JTag interface for it. I use Olimex
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[21:58] <rikkib> if you are serious
[21:59] <rikkib> Users can program through usb - serial PL2303
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> I've no use for them at all right now.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> so it would be a toy - and I have enough of them currently gathering dust )-:
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> anyway, it's top-gear bond special time on tv!!!
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[22:12] <Vegar> I'm reading this:
[22:12] <Vegar> http://stevenhickson.blogspot.no/2012/10/fixing-raspberry-pi-crashes.html
[22:12] <Vegar> and it says "Your usb hub has a problem where it is creating a feedback loop. Tape over the +5V pin on the USB cord (You should use a multimeter to find it). Fixed, though a bit sketchily."
[22:13] <Vegar> is that a confirmed fix for USB dodginess?
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[22:21] <obcd> Nope, it's just a fix for back powering usb hubs
[22:21] <obcd> I mean upstream powering..
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[22:32] <djazz> i made a quick demo of omxradio - Web interface for playing media on the Raspberry Pi! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrgPvr6pDV0
[22:32] <djazz> https://github.com/daniel-j/omxradio
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[22:39] <Tachyon`> is it me or is this new risc os release slower than the alpha by quite a bit?
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[22:55] <andi3> djazz: nice, is it running over bluetooth?
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[22:58] <djazz> andi3: no, wifi
[22:58] <swecide> oh it's playing Dubmood!
[22:58] <djazz> raspi runs a webserver that i connect to from phone/computer
[22:59] <djazz> and it streams youtube videos over wlan
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[22:59] <djazz> or local files if you enter a relative/absolute URL
[22:59] <andi3> thre is something very tiny plugged to usb, it is wifi?
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[22:59] <djazz> yes
[23:00] <djazz> it uses node.js, so you must compile/install that first
[23:00] <djazz> andi3: live demo: http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
[23:01] <djazz> the same url as in video
[23:02] <RudeViper> Wow that was weird I plugged in my usb wireless adapter and the darned pi shut off - now it won't show anything on screen
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[23:02] <djazz> RudeViper: cant turn it on when pluggen in?
[23:02] <djazz> my rev2 board turn off when i plug in/out wlan
[23:02] <RudeViper> nope - it fires up - see the text and then black screen
[23:02] <djazz> rev1 works just fine, because it has the mA cap
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[23:02] <djazz> hm
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[23:05] <andi3> djazz: I can see site :)
[23:05] <djazz> ofc :)
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[23:05] <djazz> but speakers are turned off now
[23:05] <djazz> XD
[23:06] <djazz> i'll turn them on
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[23:06] <djazz> again
[23:06] <djazz> put something good on!
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[23:06] <djazz> http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
[23:07] <andi3> does it show what is currently playing?
[23:07] <andi3> there is on the bottom
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[23:09] <RudeViper> yep guess this installation is gorked - shows the pink R screen and then goes black - and stay's there.
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[23:09] <Tachyon`> grawr
[23:09] <Tachyon`> why is the worst basic dialect ever being considered when brandy is available, tiny basic doesn't even do strings in the standard way
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[23:12] <andi3> is it possible to buy the board somewhere in UK without weeks of waiting time?
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, ah, tinyBasic ;-)
[23:13] <Nik05> which board? :P
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, Get RTB: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/
[23:13] <Tachyon`> if they want to include a basic that was used as kids at shcool etc.
[23:13] <Tachyon`> then they should be using brandy
[23:13] <Tachyon`> whch is BBC BASIC V
[23:13] <Tachyon`> tiny basic is just, well, crap and non-standard, heh
[23:13] <Nik05> oh wait raspi board ofcourse
[23:13] <RudeViper> ok here goes reset #7 - ROFLMAO!
[23:13] <Nik05> i thought i was in #asm oops, bye
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I really don't like brandy. it doesn't work well at all - far too many hassles with upper/lower case, etc.
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> I think I'm going to push RTB in the next week or 2 though. just working out the best way to distribute it - it's a 90 second compile on a Pi...
[23:14] <Tachyon`> it works very well, you jsut don't know how to use it evidently
[23:14] <Tachyon`> it's also what people learned on for like 10 years
[23:14] <Tachyon`> on the BBC and Archimedes machines
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[23:15] <Tachyon`> (hint, it's supposed to be used with caps lock ON)
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[23:15] <djazz> i pinged out didnt I?
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[23:16] <zgreg> am I the only one that thinks it is a horrible idea to teach basic in this day and age?
[23:16] <Tachyon`> addionally BBC BASIC V is highly structured and as close to C as you're going to get in a basic
[23:16] <Tachyon`> well, it wouldn't be my first choice
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[23:16] <Tachyon`> but if they want a basic, ffs give them a good one
[23:16] <Tachyon`> which tiny basic patently is not
[23:16] <zgreg> >basic
[23:16] <zgreg> >a good one
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, I know. I started earlier on Apple IIs. don't make it any easier.
[23:17] <zgreg> you are funny :)
[23:17] <Tachyon`> I started on the ZX81, heh
[23:17] <Tachyon`> then went to the spectrum, BBC
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, have a look at RTB - it's got more "structure" than brandy has.
[23:17] <andi3> Nik05: the one with 64kB RAM, ohh no with 512MB :)
[23:17] <Tachyon`> I've not seen RTB as yet, I can look at it I suppose
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> there's binarys on http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/ as well as the reference manual.
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[23:18] <Tachyon`> that's a clear ripoff of bbc basic
[23:18] <Tachyon`> heh
[23:18] <Tachyon`> it even looks like it
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> it's got some Apple II constructs in it.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> However it's the only basic I know of with the looping constructs it has.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> cycle ... repeat
[23:19] <Tachyon`> BBC Basic has them
[23:19] <Tachyon`> repeat until, etc.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> not top and bottom :)
[23:20] <Tachyon`> anyway, specbas is a modern basic designed for linux systems, has an editor that doesn't look like it came from 1982 also
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> still won't make it any easier to get people to adopt it )-:
[23:20] <Tachyon`> and a lot of advanced features, it's under active development too
[23:21] <Tachyon`> mp3/mod support, graphics, sprites, packages (containing files and the app) and so on
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> wonder why it didn't turn up on my searches for basics under linux 9 months ago... I thought I'd found them all )-:
[23:21] <Tachyon`> 3d support was appearing last I looked
[23:21] <Tachyon`> it's newish
[23:21] <Tachyon`> https://sites.google.com/site/pauldunn/
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if it's too much though.
[23:21] <Tachyon`> there's a pi build there
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> sprites in RTB fwiw... no sound though. Was never sure what I'd do with it.
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[23:24] <Tachyon`> oh well, there's a licensing issue with specbas
[23:24] <Tachyon`> the audio library isn't entirely free
[23:24] <Tachyon`> so it's not an option it seems anyway
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[23:24] <Tachyon`> it's free to use but there are restrictions apparently, oh well -.-
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> it seems to work - very slow though.
[23:25] * Tachyon` grinds teeth at yet another licensing issue
[23:25] <Tachyon`> is it?
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> RTB is GPLv3.
[23:26] <Tachyon`> oh, RTB?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> maybe just slow as I'm running it remotely.
[23:26] <Tachyon`> I meant specbas, heh, thought you might be giving it a try as I'd linked the site -.o;
[23:26] <geordie> what do hicks do at hallowe'en?
[23:27] <fakker> eat kids?
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, always nice to try other basics!
[23:28] <Tachyon`> give the plasma demo a try
[23:28] <Tachyon`> there's a few examples but that does show off a couple of the more unusual graphics features
[23:29] <Tachyon`> that sandisk ultra 16 corrupted itself /again/
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> not spotted the examples...
[23:29] <Tachyon`> it's now been relegated to camera duties, heh
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[23:29] <Tachyon`> cat should show a dir listing
[23:30] <Tachyon`> cd does what you'd expect, although being baic the argumetn will be in quotes
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> hang on - I'll fire it up on a display.
[23:30] <Tachyon`> you may recognise the mouse pointer
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[23:32] <gordonDrogon> not really..
[23:32] <Tachyon`> amiga, lol
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> never had one )-
[23:32] <Tachyon`> ahhh
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I'll need to rtfm - I'm typing commands at it and nothings happening )-:
[23:32] <Tachyon`> cat
[23:32] <Tachyon`> cd "demos"
[23:32] <Tachyon`> etc.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> there are no demos, no files that came with it.
[23:33] <Tachyon`> if you hit enter with nothing, it'll show/hide the main program window
[23:33] <Tachyon`> oh right, they must not be in the pi release
[23:33] <Tachyon`> it's very new
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[23:33] <Tachyon`> shame about the licensing issue though, this basic is very easy to use
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[23:34] <Tachyon`> https://sites.google.com/site/pauldunn/home/manual
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> yea, worked out the mode thing now.
[23:34] <Tachyon`> there's a manual there
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> Ah, the demos are in the windows zip file.
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[23:36] <Tachyon`> I tend to use it on my pandora, it's really handy on that system
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> got plasma running ;-)
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I think it's an intersting little thing - trying to be more of a machine emulator too, I guess.
[23:38] <Tachyon`> ahh, there's a fair few examples, I think there's a mandelbrot in ther esomewhere
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[23:39] <Tachyon`> well, no, it's a superset of speccy 128 basic though
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> is that what a speccy 128 looked like then? I've never used one of those either.
[23:39] <Tachyon`> well, it looked a bit like that, lol
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> ok !
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[23:40] <Tachyon`> http://www.fruitcake.plus.com/Sinclair/Spectrum128/ExtendedBASIC/Images/Screenshots/ExtendedBASICListing.gif
[23:40] <Tachyon`> speccy 128 basic
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> I used old HP, dialup "timesharing" system, apple/pet/trs80 and some other little micros at the time...
[23:40] <zleap> the 128 had the same keyboard as the 48k plastic keys the 128+2 /3 had a more conventional keyboard
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> ah right.
[23:40] <Tachyon`> although that one has been hacked but taht's what it looked like
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[23:40] <Tachyon`> I preferred the 128 keyboard to the +2/+3 ones
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[23:41] <Tachyon`> as they dropped all the keywords from the keys on the later ones making them tricky to use in 48K mode
[23:41] <zleap> yea
[23:41] <Tachyon`> I still have an original 128 with +D
[23:41] <Tachyon`> and a /very/ expanded +3
[23:41] <zleap> i have a +D
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[23:41] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.old/specplus3enew.jpg
[23:41] <zleap> i actually managed to use norton disk edit once to get dos to read a +D disk
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. is there a way to list programs to disk as text files? they seem to be stored as binarys )-:
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[23:42] <Tachyon`> aye, you can read/write those natively in some PC emulators
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> a friend of mine restores speccys for beer & concert money...
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[23:42] <Tachyon`> erm, I think there is a way to do that but can't remember what it is
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[23:43] <Tachyon`> it might be mentioned in teh manual under save
[23:43] <zleap> edit the hex identifier byteat the start of the disk to that which dos recognises
[23:43] <zleap> byte
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[23:43] <Tachyon`> it'd take more than that, it's an entirely different format isn't it, no subdirectories etc.
[23:43] <zleap> well it worked
[23:43] <geordie> fakker: they pump kin
[23:43] <Tachyon`> no way DOS read a +D disk with just that byte changed, heh
[23:44] <zleap> hmm
[23:44] <Tachyon`> you could view the sectors
[23:44] <zleap> i will hve to have a look
[23:44] <Tachyon`> as that's more or less the same
[23:44] <sixxie> it was all about the spectrums and c64s... dragon owner like me was somewhat out of it
[23:44] <zleap> maybe tat was it
[23:44] <Tachyon`> but the actual format is very different
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[23:44] <Tachyon`> ah, dragon 32, lol
[23:44] <Tachyon`> CoCo really
[23:45] <Tachyon`> never did much with those
[23:45] <Tachyon`> curious machine in some ways though
[23:45] <sixxie> well we in the uk didn't know it was basically made to be a clone at the time
[23:45] <Tachyon`> I remember I got one in about 1990 and was charged extra for taking it home in a taxi, lol
[23:45] <Tachyon`> it's not a person, it's a dragon
[23:45] <sixxie> just assumed it got that way because they were both so close to the reference design
[23:45] <Tachyon`> but he charged me for an extra person anyway, lol
[23:45] <zleap> flol
[23:45] * dragon glares at Tachyon`
[23:46] <Tachyon`> sorry, not you
[23:46] <dragon> Then who?
[23:46] <Tachyon`> the Dragon 32 computer
[23:46] <dragon> That's neat.
[23:46] <Tachyon`> released in 1982 or thereabouts
[23:46] <Tachyon`> in the UK
[23:46] <dragon> You can call it D32 in short!
[23:46] <Tachyon`> same as the tandy colour computer but a different rom
[23:46] <dragon> Otherwise you keep pinging me and I'll keep glaring. XD
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> remember those.
[23:46] <Tachyon`> so teh start of memory was a page out preventing running of CoCo games withotu fiddling
[23:46] <Tachyon`> ah, okay, lol
[23:46] <zleap> my practical things to do with a computer book has dragon programs
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> had a kid come up to me recently and start typing stuff into my Pi running RTB -
[23:47] <zleap> :)
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[23:47] <Tachyon`> yeah, was talking to someone in teh shop earlier who wants one for his nephew
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> I was suitably impressed - his dad bought his a dragon 32 - he's 10 years old!
[23:47] <zleap> cool
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[23:48] <zleap> i found a spectrum java emulator the other day, can't work out how to get extendedmode in basic
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> Ah, I see how plasma works. I'm crap at dreaming up demos like that.
[23:48] <sixxie> i know a guy got his dragon out to introduce the kid to programming
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> will convert it to RTB - tomorrow.
[23:48] <sixxie> recently, that is
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg :)
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> bed time for me...
[23:50] <sixxie> likewise, g'night
[23:50] <zleap> is that loderunner
[23:52] <dragon> argh.
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