#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-30

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[0:29] <Tachyon`> hrm, is it usual for the raspbmc installer to sit on Updating service management forever and a day?
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[0:44] <jmadero> anyone have simplink working with their pi?
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[0:48] <cyclick> jmadero, I had CEC-HDMI working with raspbmc and xbian (but with a sharp tv)
[0:48] <jmadero> cyclick: I'm using a LG tv, wondering if it's because I'm plugged into HDMI 4
[0:49] <cyclick> my TV have CEC on all HDMI inputs
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[0:50] <jmadero> I would imagine mine does too, I mean it definitely sees something
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[0:50] <jmadero> HDD Recorder is showing
[0:50] <jmadero> but when I select it just scans indefinitely
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[1:13] <nyrb> Is there a way to ssh into RPi without using monitor/keyboard/mouse ( I don't really want to RPi to use my HDMI Monitor for just enabling SSH server and such) I googled for headless raspberry pi, but they gave different directions
[1:14] <asaru> raspbian has ssh server enabled by default
[1:14] <asaru> just run raspi-config once you're in
[1:15] <nyrb> Strange, I cannot connect to it even I found the ip
[1:15] <asaru> weird. using latest raspbian?
[1:15] <nyrb> yup wheezy raspbian
[1:15] <asaru> when i set mine up i just had to go on my router and check what its ip was
[1:15] <asaru> ssh worked right away
[1:16] <rikkib> I have never seen it installed by default on Raspbian
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[1:17] <rikkib> User are given a screen to set it up
[1:17] <rikkib> raspi-config runs on first start
[1:17] <asaru> i have never once plugged a kbd into my rpi
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[1:17] <asaru> first time i installed raspbian i just ssh in and run raspi-config
[1:18] <nyrb> maybe latest raspbian is different
[1:18] <rikkib> Security
[1:18] <rikkib> Common practice is not to enable it
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[1:19] <garduino> I do not have home internet... I have hotspot on my android phone... I cant find a local wifi dongle to work on my rasppi... anyone know of a way that I can use my linxus wifi router.... to access the internet through my android... then direct plug my rp into the router?
[1:19] <asaru> i have been using 2012-9-18 version of raspbian
[1:19] <asaru> garduino: dd-wrt will let you use wifi as wan source
[1:20] <garduino> asaru... is that a setting inside my admin of my router?
[1:20] <asaru> no, its a new firmware you have to flash to your router
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[1:21] <asaru> google it
[1:21] <asaru> its complicated
[1:22] <garduino> old linksys G ... will search for it on google
[1:22] <asaru> dd-wrt is what you want. there are plenty of guides available
[1:22] <cyclick> openwrt is better
[1:22] <asaru> does it have the same functionality
[1:22] <asaru> wan over wifi?
[1:23] <cyclick> yes
[1:23] <asaru> neat
[1:23] <asaru> tomato isnt bad either
[1:23] <asaru> its really a matter of user preference
[1:24] <cyclick> you can create multiple wifi networks (one for wan and one for hotspot)
[1:24] <asaru> nice
[1:24] <asaru> i used to use mine to grab wan over wifi a while back
[1:24] <asaru> now my linksys just sits there as an ap
[1:24] <Cheery> yet few days and I think I'll get the webgl bindings complete enough that I can concentrate on things like build scripts and nicer graphics demos.
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[1:25] <asaru> is openwrt easier to install on wrt54gs?
[1:25] <Caleb> asaru: dd-wrt was easier to me
[1:26] <asaru> i know the dd-wrt process was complicated
[1:26] <Caleb> but both are easy
[1:26] <Caleb> well
[1:26] <cyclick> it was very easy to install on tp-link and d-link router
[1:26] <Caleb> openwrt should be easier then
[1:26] <garduino> I am on dd-wrt.com
[1:26] <Caleb> pretty much do a 30/30/30 and install the firmware
[1:26] <asaru> i had to flash with vxworks killer or whatever first, then flash with dd-wrt
[1:26] <garduino> should I use spend my time on openwrt instead?
[1:26] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-video/blob/master/tutorial/tutorial-1.js
[1:26] <Cheery> that runs on raspberry pi already
[1:26] <garduino> this sounds all good... glad you guys had some answers about this
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[1:27] <asaru> garduino, try them all if yo uwant
[1:27] <asaru> im sure one of them will suit your needs. but be careful you can brick your router if you do it wrong
[1:27] <cyclick> openwrt is still getting updates... dd-wrt doesnt have a stable recent version
[1:27] <asaru> i see
[1:27] <Caleb> cyclick: i install openwrt on a router and now can downgrade
[1:28] <Caleb> thats what i get for using a testing version
[1:28] <asaru> i still prefer my ipcop machine for routing. like i said my linksys is just an access point these days
[1:28] <cyclick> Caleb, I am using the beta version called attitude-adjustment and havent had any problems
[1:28] <Caleb> cyclick: yeah thats the one i installed
[1:29] <Caleb> just doesnt seem to work all that great
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[1:29] <asaru> well good luck
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[1:29] <asaru> im off, later peoples
[1:29] <garduino> this is all new info for me (glad to know about it)... but want to get my up and running fast... so openwrt seems to be the best / and safest solution for the moment?
[1:30] <Caleb> garduino: seems so and from what ive been told its better than dd-wrt
[1:30] <cyclick> garduino, I like it because there is lots of addons... you can even use it as a security camera server if you router has USB
[1:31] <Caleb> cyclick: hmm that would be cool to have
[1:31] <garduino> ok... great news... this is a good solution... wow - about the security cam... I am also interested in that... searching openwrt on google now
[1:32] <garduino> oh darn... my router is old... no usb...
[1:32] <Caleb> yeah same here
[1:33] <cyclick> take a look at http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-set-up-OpenWRT-on-a-pocket-router-WR703N/
[1:33] <garduino> if I go buy a new router (they dont cost alot)... do most of the new routers support the openwrt concept... letting me use my phones hotspot as my access?
[1:34] <cyclick> garduino .. not all routers are supported... but you should maybe ask your openwrt questions in #openwrt
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[1:37] <garduino> ahhh... thanks... good to know there is an irc chan for openwrt too... I am so new to irc that I often dont think to search for chans... this is great... excited to make progress now
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[1:37] <cyclick> that pianobar program is great on the raspberry pi for listening to pandora
[1:38] <DeliriumTremens> IRC is the way of the future
[1:38] <DeliriumTremens> or something
[1:39] <cyclick> DeliriumTremens, I started with mirc 1.0 or something
[1:39] <DeliriumTremens> before color!
[1:39] <DeliriumTremens> those were the days
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[1:39] <DeliriumTremens> i started using mIRC around 1992/93
[1:39] <cyclick> win3.11
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[1:41] <cyclick> one day facebook will be like IRC
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[1:47] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[1:47] <SSilver2k2> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2012/10/advancemame-deb/ :D AdvanceMAME debs available
[1:47] <SSilver2k2> also http://blog.sheasilverman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/deskcadeproto4buttons.jpg
[1:48] <SSilver2k2> bam, deskcade project is coming along nicely :)
[1:48] <DeliriumTremens> ha
[1:48] <DeliriumTremens> nice
[1:49] <DeliriumTremens> i threw retroarch on my raspbmc install and plan to use the 8bitty controllers from thinkgeek to play my games
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[1:52] <rikkib> Choice.... I have been downloading games. Had an old binary. Will now grab the deb.. Thanks
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[2:16] <SophieRxx> Hi guys
[2:16] <Cheery> hello
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[2:18] <SophieRxx> I can't get my head around BakingPi at all. Keep getting an error when trying to make, found the exact same problem on the forum and that didn't help.
[2:19] <Cheery> I'm a computer hacker.. maybe I can help
[2:19] <SophieRxx> make: arm-none-eabi-as: Command not found
[2:19] <Cheery> that comes from raspi?
[2:20] <Butcho> woot! I have in my hand, a 512meg pi :)
[2:20] <SophieRxx> I'm doing it on ubuntu
[2:20] <Cheery> okay so you've got cross compiling setup.
[2:20] <SophieRxx> Oh wait, I know where I've gone wrong already
[2:20] <jmadero> so I got simplink working but not through receiver, only if directly connected to tv....
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[2:21] <Cheery> it's very simple error. it says 'make' cannot find arm assembler.
[2:21] <SophieRxx> I'm not sure how though, I followed the guide. Hard to get wrong copying and pasting 3 commands
[2:22] <Cheery> can you tell where are you going at?
[2:22] <SophieRxx> How do you mean?
[2:22] <ReggieUK> you'd be surprised how easy it is to get something wrong
[2:22] <Cheery> where's the three lines that you've pasted?
[2:23] <SophieRxx> here - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/downloads.html#gnulinux
[2:23] <SophieRxx> And then I'm following the guide at - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html
[2:24] <Cheery> ok
[2:25] <Cheery> so you've got directory arm-2008q3
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[2:25] <LostInInaka> finally finally FINALLY got OpenVPN working on my Pi???.stupid strangely configured work network???sigh
[2:25] <SophieRxx> Yes
[2:25] <Cheery> give me little time to repeat these commands.
[2:26] <Cheery> takes 3 min to wget
[2:26] <ReggieUK> SophieRxx, do the following in a terminal: echo $PATH
[2:26] <SophieRxx> /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[2:26] <ReggieUK> that's where your problem is
[2:27] <ReggieUK> each time you open a terminal to do work on compiling stuff for pi you need to run the export command
[2:27] <ReggieUK> export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/arm-2008q3/bin
[2:28] <ReggieUK> $HOME on debian/ubuntu is /home/<name of the currently logged on user>/
[2:28] <ReggieUK> so for me $HOME is /home/reggie/
[2:28] <SophieRxx> okay it shows up now when I do echo $PATH
[2:28] <cyclick> set path in .bashrc if you want it to be permanent
[2:29] <ReggieUK> now do this: which arm-none-eabi-as
[2:29] <SophieRxx> Oh wow, was it really that simple? I've been trying to do this for hours and now make works
[2:29] <SophieRxx> I was just missing the export each time.
[2:29] <ReggieUK> yup
[2:29] <SophieRxx> Thank you SO much! I was at the point of giving up
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[2:30] <cyclick> or /etc/bash.bashrc for all users
[2:30] <ReggieUK> as cyclick has mentioned, you can put the export command into $HOME/.bashrc
[2:30] <ReggieUK> but I personally wouldn't
[2:30] <SophieRxx> thank you cyclick
[2:30] <ReggieUK> I would put it in a script and remember to run it at the start of each pi coding session
[2:30] <SophieRxx> Now I know I have to do it each time it won't be such a problem. I thought it was a one time thing.
[2:30] <ReggieUK> if you hard code it into .bashrc, it can interfere with other things and really trip you up
[2:30] <Cheery> SophieRxx: that $PATH -trick is just there so you don't need to type arm-2008q3/bin/arm-none-eabi-as
[2:31] <ReggieUK> Cheery, no it's not :)
[2:31] <ReggieUK> it's so that the system knows where to find it as well
[2:31] <ReggieUK> so all of the automated build systems have got a clue where to find your cross compiler
[2:32] <Cheery> well true that
[2:32] <SophieRxx> All sorted now, thank you so much for the help,I'm really grateful.
[2:32] <ReggieUK> you're welcome
[2:32] <Cheery> go and have fun. :)
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[2:33] <ReggieUK> another useful one is: export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi-
[2:33] <Cheery> does those help in every case when you have to cross compile something?
[2:33] <ReggieUK> not necessarily
[2:33] <Cheery> don't you need libraries after all.
[2:34] <ReggieUK> of course
[2:34] <Cheery> and correct include files
[2:34] <ReggieUK> yup
[2:34] <Cheery> this tutorial is nifty
[2:34] <ReggieUK> but if you can't find your compiler or the automated systems can't find your compiler triplet, then they will fall over, no matter what other includes/libs you've got right
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[2:35] <Cheery> ReggieUK: you think you'd be able to sanitize github.com/cheery/node-video build script for me?
[2:35] <ReggieUK> I can have a look but I can't promise anything :)
[2:35] <Cheery> I had to do absolute paths to catch few shared libraries I mad
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[2:41] <Cheery> I think the c libraries need to be moved into separate project and included as dependency
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[2:52] <ReggieUK> you need to provide instructions on how to build them, then you can set a path to them, or make them build as part of your project
[2:53] <ReggieUK> you're always going to need some kind of hard path if you're not building under a specific directory
[2:53] <Cheery> it might be good idea to keep them along this project, as long as nobody other is using them
[2:54] <ReggieUK> if you're going to hard code paths into your script then YOU need to provide a method for people to build them really
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[2:55] <Cheery> true
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[2:55] <ReggieUK> otherwise you'll constantly be answering debug questions over the library/include paths and how to build them :)
[2:56] <Cheery> would there be a way to check whether there's a certain library in the system?
[2:56] <Cheery> because really I'd like that others could use that context library as well
[2:57] <Cheery> and I'd like to get the system install one if it isn't there
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[2:58] <Cheery> or tell user that he needs the lib
[3:01] <ReggieUK> which system install one?
[3:01] <ReggieUK> on the pi or from your desktop?
[3:02] <ReggieUK> cos you can't pull teh one for your desktop
[3:02] <ReggieUK> it's compiled for x86/a64/not the pi
[3:04] <ReggieUK> http://pastebin.com/vg9h1LFt
[3:07] <ReggieUK> how big do you expect this project to be?
[3:07] <ReggieUK> how many extra libs will it need?
[3:09] <Cheery> well the libdisplay and libvideo -thing is like that, because some apps do not need the functionality provided by libdisplay
[3:09] <ReggieUK> ignore that pastebin, there's a mistake, I forgot a "
[3:09] <ReggieUK> http://pastebin.com/BqavVDE5
[3:11] <ReggieUK> if you chmod +x build-api.sh then you don't need to source it
[3:11] <ReggieUK> just run it with ./build-api.sh
[3:12] <Cheery> I can use similar hack to let user define location of videocode libs and includes?
[3:12] <Cheery> -I$FIRMWARE/include/
[3:13] <Cheery> -L$FIRMWARE/lib/
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[3:13] <garduino> cyclick are you still there?
[3:15] <ReggieUK> Cheery, yes, you could be fairly flexible
[3:15] <cyclick> yes garduino
[3:15] <ReggieUK> but you really need to put some work into how to actually build your whatever it is properly
[3:15] <ReggieUK> your readme just doesn't contain enough information
[3:15] <ReggieUK> what is node-waf for instance?
[3:16] <ReggieUK> how do I get it onto my computer?
[3:16] <Cheery> it's a nodejs related thing
[3:16] <Cheery> you have it if you have nodejs installed
[3:16] <ReggieUK> and what's nodejs?
[3:16] <garduino> cyclick I have installed openwrt on my lynksys... there is an option to update to 47xxx
[3:16] <ReggieUK> think of me as a beginner
[3:16] <ReggieUK> these are the questions that they will ask
[3:16] <Cheery> ReggieUK: it's an interpreter that node-video extends.
[3:16] <Cheery> okay
[3:17] <ReggieUK> ok, so you really need to let people know what the dependencies are at the very least, if you need to include other stuff compiled for arm then you should either explain how to build it or provide a link to somewhere that does
[3:17] <garduino> is the upgrate from 2-4 to 47 needed?
[3:18] <ReggieUK> telling them which env vars to set is also useful
[3:18] <Cheery> ok
[3:19] <ReggieUK> like 'Make sure your compiler path is set in your $PATH env var' in the readme
[3:19] <cyclick> garduino, dont know what that is.. I have v12.09b2
[3:19] <ReggieUK> and 'Set $CROSS_COMPILE var to your compiler triplet'
[3:20] <Cheery> it's small enough overall that it compiles fine on raspberry though.
[3:20] <garduino> ah ok... this is the instructions: You're done! At this point, you are free to continue using brcm-2.4. However, if you wish to use brcm47xx, proceed below.
[3:20] <ReggieUK> oh of course, I'm sure it does
[3:20] <garduino> but I guess it all depends on the router used
[3:20] <garduino> so your version may be different
[3:21] <garduino> I am a bit confused still... :)
[3:21] <ReggieUK> Cheery, again, something else you need to tell people
[3:22] <Cheery> yep
[3:22] <ReggieUK> you're only telling me now :D
[3:22] <ReggieUK> so the CROSS_COMPILE additions I have made will break it working on the pi
[3:22] <cyclick> garduino, sorry can't help you there.. maybe try #openwrt
[3:22] <ReggieUK> but again we can sort that out
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[3:23] <Cheery> how do you find out the platform is pi?
[3:23] <ReggieUK> uname -a or something?
[3:25] <knoppies> ReggieUK, will that really tell its a Pi? Doesnt it just say its ARM?
[3:25] <ReggieUK> well, it depends which specific thing you pick for uname to tell you
[3:26] <ReggieUK> it won't necessarily tell you it's a pi but if it's on arm then it's a good bet you're not cross compiling :D
[3:26] <knoppies> ReggieUK, true.
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[3:28] <Cheery> for libraries it can just try to find libfoo.so.0.1.0
[3:28] <ReggieUK> you can always just tell them to export CROSS_COMPILE= to tell the build scripts that you're cross compiling
[3:28] <Cheery> or better
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[3:30] <Cheery> getting to sleep :)
[3:30] <Cheery> gn
[3:31] <bbond007> man. my rpi is a lot faster with this new sdcard
[3:31] <ReggieUK> http://pastebin.com/9cbA3zV3
[3:31] <ReggieUK> Cheery
[3:31] <ReggieUK> but you still need to sort out the cflags
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[3:45] <garduino> cyclick which mode did you use?
[3:46] <garduino> several modes on this page http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/clientmode#bridged.client.mode.brcm-2.4.only
[3:47] <garduino> woops... I see you sent me 2.4... when I already updated to 47.xxx maybe I better downgrade or search for a page with info on 47.xxx - not really understanding what the heck I am doing
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[4:21] <ohhmaar> alright so can someone tell me where buy the MODEL B raspberry pi?
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[4:23] <heathkid> lots of places... just backorder it
[4:24] <knoppies> ohhmaar, just don't buy it from some overpriced guy on ebay.
[4:28] * Xark is amused he got an e-receipt today for the Raspberry Pi stickers he ordered in Feb (received them a few months later - with Eben's autograph on the envelope customs form). :) I guess they are "catching up"...
[4:28] <ohhmaar> so paying $35 is good?
[4:29] <ohhmaar> or should i just wait
[4:29] <Xark> ohhmaar: $35 is the base price (typically you need to add shipping, taxes and duty fees).
[4:29] <knoppies> I think $35 is ok. I paid $55NZD for mine (that includes 15% tax)
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[4:31] <Xark> ohhmaar: I believe "all told" I paid $42 shipped (US from Element14).
[4:31] <ohhmaar> so should i just wait until they improve the shipping process?
[4:31] <ohhmaar> since it takes months to arrive
[4:31] <knoppies> ohhmaar, whether you wait for the shipping or you wait to make the order it doesnt make much of a difference.
[4:31] <Xark> ohhmaar: No, it won't take months anymore. If you order from the right place you are talking days or maybe a few weeks (due to the "bump" from the 512MB model).
[4:32] <ohhmaar> Xark: where is this right place?
[4:32] <knoppies> Although, if they revise it again then waiting might be worth it, but since they just released a revision they probably won't release another one for a while.
[4:32] <Xark> ohhmaar: Well, Element14 was great for me (and others).
[4:32] <knoppies> ohhmaar, try element14. I got mine overnight (from AUS)
[4:33] <ohhmaar> do all of the distributors charge for shipping?
[4:33] <ohhmaar> none offer free shipping?
[4:33] <knoppies> ohhmaar, elementh14 gave me free shipping.
[4:33] <Xark> ohhmaar: I am not aware of any offering free shipping.
[4:33] * Xark stands corrected. :)
[4:33] <ohhmaar> ok, well even it totaling to around 50ish dollars
[4:33] <ohhmaar> is it worth the investment?
[4:33] <AC`97> element14 gave me $3 shipping
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[4:34] <knoppies> ohhmaar, depends what you want to do with it
[4:34] <AC`97> ohhmaar: would you buy a $35 computer for $50?
[4:34] <ohhmaar> I'd buy you for $50..
[4:34] <AC`97> <3
[4:34] <ohhmaar> Just kidding, but yea i understand what you mean
[4:35] <ohhmaar> cause you can reuse it for several things
[4:35] <ohhmaar> I was going to make a dropbox clone
[4:35] <AC`97> it has gpio.
[4:35] <ohhmaar> but it appears to me i can make a tv streaming hub etc
[4:35] <AC`97> if i wanted to add gpio to my computer, i'd have to spend around $50...
[4:36] <ohhmaar> okay, i'll take 1!
[4:36] <bbond007> unless you had an old computer with parallel port
[4:36] <Xark> ohhmaar: Personally, I suggest you order from Element14 (assuming US) and I suspect you will get it fairly rapidly (newer model with 512MB and for <$50).
[4:37] <bbond007> i got mine from MCM electronics and it has 512
[4:37] <bbond007> $35
[4:37] <Xark> bbond007: Yes, UK, right?
[4:37] <bbond007> US
[4:37] <ohhmaar> bbond007 they charge me extra $10 for shipping
[4:37] <Xark> Ahh, OK. Last I checked you had to get a bundle...
[4:38] <bbond007> oh... that a bummer. i bought other stuff from them though and they are fast
[4:39] <Xark> ohhmaar: A few days ago (right after 512MB model announced) Element14 had a "express interest" button, but now they are back to "buy now", so they have stock (or expect it soon).
[4:39] <ohhmaar> Hm, okay im comparing element14 and MCM right now
[4:40] <bbond007> i ordered a hdmi -> vga cable from ebay... its cheaper there than on MCM if you need that
[4:42] <ohhmaar> XarK: so go with element14?
[4:42] <ohhmaar> they wont charge me for shipping
[4:45] <ohhmaar> Xark:*
[4:45] <knoppies> ohhmaar, if they dont charge you for shipping, and its around the $35 mark, then why not.
[4:45] <ohhmaar> okay sounds good
[4:46] <knoppies> bbond007, you can go hdmi -> VGA? I thought you needed an active adapter for that.
[4:46] <knoppies> ohhmaar, do they say how much they have in stock? Or what the estimated waiting time is?
[4:46] <ohhmaar> i just submitted the order
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[4:46] <knoppies> ohhmaar, sweeeeeeet
[4:47] <bbond007> knoppies, some guy on youtube shows it working with a cheapo adapter, and the one from MCM looks the same, so i have my doubts but i'm going to try it
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[4:49] <knoppies> bbond007, I'd be keen to hear how it goes.
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[4:49] <Xark> ohhmaar: Right on. If you haven't, check out their Raspberry Pi forums, videos, documentation etc. Besides selling RPi, they have a nice helpful Pi community there.
[4:49] <bbond007> www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14407
[4:49] <ohhmaar> Awesome, any decent cases i should spend money on?
[4:49] <bbond007> the ebay one i ordered looked the same, so w'll see
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[4:50] <ebswift> element14 has a nice looking and fairly cheap case
[4:50] <ebswift> i ordered 2, but i think they're coming in from the uk
[4:50] <Xark> ohhmaar: Waaaay too many cases to chose from. If you want to spend money, I suggest -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1039 (and it doubles as a heat-sink too!) :)
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[4:50] <ohhmaar> lol Xark, i was being cheap about the shipping costs
[4:51] <ohhmaar> what makes you think i'll buy that
[4:51] <bbond007> $74 for a case for a $35 computer....
[4:51] <Xark> ohhmaar: I didn't, hence the smiley. For you, I suggest to google the "free" paper case (you can fold it yourself). :)
[4:51] <ebswift> http://au.element14.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2113799&MER=MER-BN-PR-2113799
[4:51] <bbond007> 75 rather
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[4:52] <ebswift> if you're buying from element14, search for 'raspberry pi' and look for any accessories you might need to package up into one order
[4:52] <ohhmaar> Xark: I have a cardboard box from a shipment. I'll use that
[4:52] <Xark> bbond007: Well, it IS a real nice case (and heat-sink - even ships with thermal compound). :)
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[4:53] <bbond007> i ordered a heatsync kit from ebay, still waiting on that
[4:53] <Xark> ohhmaar: You certainly don't need a case. You may want to look into powered hubs and SD cards (depending on what you intend to do with the Pi).
[4:53] <bbond007> i got that "bill me later" thing so i been buying all sorts of stupid shit
[4:53] <ohhmaar> Dropbox Clone.
[4:54] <ohhmaar> I uh have a external hdd layin around so prolly use that
[4:54] <Xark> ohhmaar: Neat. OK, but you need to boot from an SD (but you may be able to use a small one).
[4:54] <ebswift> some kind of case is handy... my rpi didn't like it when i placed it down on a screwdriver and shorted the terminals
[4:54] <ohhmaar> I have a 4gb laying around as well. Thanks
[4:55] <ohhmaar> for your help guys. When it arrives I'll let you know
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[4:55] <Xark> ohhmaar: No problem. Hopefully not too long from now. :)
[4:55] <ohhmaar> Hopefully...
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[4:57] <bbond007> i'm hooking a flux capacitor to my gpio line and i'm going to go back in time and same commodore.
[4:57] <bbond007> save
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[4:59] <ohhmaar> whats the gpio?
[5:00] <bbond007> general purpose io
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[5:02] <knoppies> ohhmaar, when you get the board you will notice some exposed pins in two rows.
[5:02] <ohhmaar> do you recommend buying a usb wireless dongle?
[5:02] <ohhmaar> or ethernet
[5:03] <ohhmaar> probably ethernet.
[5:03] <ebswift> ohhmaar ethernet if dealing with streaming or big files
[5:04] <ohhmaar> ok
[5:04] <ebswift> wireless works pretty nice though
[5:04] <bbond007> ethernet is less overhead on the cpu
[5:05] <ebswift> i'm using virgin branded wnda3200 from the UK - dual band wireless for $20 delivered
[5:06] <ohhmaar> So can I download stuff on it?
[5:06] <ohhmaar> like control it from my computer
[5:06] <ebswift> yeah
[5:06] <ebswift> that's what i have it for, so i can ultimately control it from my phone
[5:07] <ohhmaar> so you have it as your own server
[5:07] <ohhmaar> hooked up to a tv im guessing?
[5:07] <bbond007> i usr rdesktop on mine to access windows 7 desktop. works great
[5:07] <ebswift> i'm using ethernet to the one connected to the TV for media streaming
[5:08] <ohhmaar> hm, maybe this will make more sense when i do shit with it.
[5:08] <ebswift> well it's just a computer... it can do whatever you like
[5:09] <ebswift> gpio pins let you interface it to real-world stuff... i'm not really using them at the moment, i'm using a picaxe to control stuff and the rpi controlling the picaxe via serial
[5:09] <ebswift> it's pretty flexible, most people will just interface straight from GPIO
[5:11] <ohhmaar> ebswift what app do you use to connect to it?
[5:12] <ebswift> to the picaxe... minicom, or a very small python program for the moment while i'm testing
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[5:13] <ebswift> i don't use serial on the GPIO because it seems all too difficult when compared to connecting directly with the AXE027
[5:13] <knoppies> ohhmaar, Im going to use mine as an always on server at home that I can remote into using SSH.
[5:13] <ebswift> i have some wireless serial modules in the mail too
[5:14] <knoppies> ebswift, how do you go from Pi to Picaxe? Using USB?
[5:14] <knoppies> ebswift, that sounds like a pretty cool idea.
[5:14] <ebswift> yeah, AXE027 serial->USB
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[5:14] <ebswift> for wireless RF-DRA887TX
[5:15] <ebswift> and RF-DRA886RX-D
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[5:27] <ohhmaar> so i just got the order acknowledgement email
[5:27] <ohhmaar> says availability 0
[5:28] <ohhmaar> and it says Shipping Method : USPS Priority - 2-3 days (Order by 2:30 PM EST)
[5:28] <ebswift> there are plenty in production, maybe none immediately on hand
[5:28] <ebswift> we get them delivered overnight in oz
[5:29] <knoppies> ebswift, you also down under? I got mine overnight from aus too.
[5:30] <ebswift> yep knoppies, element14 is very efficient... other electronics distributors i have ordered from seem to be equally as efficient, the best service i've had from any type of suppliers
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[5:30] <ebswift> if only couriers would do weekends :D
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[5:32] <knoppies> ebswift, poor courier workers.
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[5:32] <ebswift> hehe
[5:33] <ebswift> i've just learned about NEMA 17 hybrid steppers... jeez there's a lot to learn, but those things look great!
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[5:38] <ohhmaar> Further stock expected to ship 3 Dec, 2012
[5:39] <ohhmaar> Fudge, what does that mean...
[5:39] <ebswift> might be faster to order from UK or oz
[5:40] <ebswift> actually, availability here is "please call", hmmm, well i have one due from the courier today, i'll see if it's there in a couple of hours
[5:41] <ohhmaar> when it says assembled board only
[5:41] <ohhmaar> did i buy the right one?
[5:41] <ebswift> sounds right
[5:41] <knoppies> ohhmaar, yes, that just means you dont get a case with it.
[5:41] <knoppies> or an SD card, but dont worry its easy to setup an SD card.
[5:41] <ebswift> you will need a 5v DC power supply that's at least 750ma i think
[5:42] <ohhmaar> so should i call and ask for availability? or just wait until december lol
[5:42] <ebswift> the 'please call' was for oz
[5:42] <ohhmaar> alright. night guys.
[5:43] <ebswift> though it wouldn't hurt to speak to the US distributor
[5:43] <ebswift> g'night
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[6:53] <Prinler^Pi> hey guys!
[6:53] <DeliriumTremens> hello
[6:54] <Prinler^Pi> whats going on tonight DeliriumTremens
[6:54] <DeliriumTremens> watching some QI before going to bed
[6:55] <Prinler^Pi> QI?
[6:55] <rikkib> Tue Oct 30 18:55:17 NZDT 2012
[6:55] <DeliriumTremens> Quite Interesting
[6:56] <rikkib> Come on at 7 here
[6:56] <rikkib> comes
[6:56] <DeliriumTremens> i'm several episodes back
[6:56] <DeliriumTremens> gotta catch up
[6:56] <rikkib> We don't get current here.
[6:57] <DeliriumTremens> we don't either
[6:57] <rikkib> 90% repeats on public tv
[6:57] <Prinler^Pi> never heard of it
[6:57] <DeliriumTremens> i'm not entirely sure any channels in my region of the US show QI
[6:57] <DeliriumTremens> but it's a brilliant show
[7:00] <Prinler^Pi> i like the walking dead
[7:00] <Prinler^Pi> on netflix
[7:00] <Prinler^Pi> love it
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[7:01] <DeliriumTremens> i need to catch up on that too
[7:01] <DeliriumTremens> so far behind on my shows
[7:01] <SophieRxx> 6am and I haven't slept yet, think I've caught the pi bug :D
[7:01] <DeliriumTremens> i've got mine ALMOST where i want it
[7:01] <DeliriumTremens> if im gonna keep playing i'll have to get another
[7:02] <Prinler^Pi> I cant wait to get my sensors and my A/D converter!
[7:03] <Prinler^Pi> i get giddy thinking about it... is that bad?
[7:03] <DeliriumTremens> no
[7:06] <DeliriumTremens> my cat is sleeping next to me, eyes open
[7:06] <DeliriumTremens> in REM, eyes are rolling around, her feet are twitching
[7:06] <DeliriumTremens> her eyes are open hah
[7:06] <Prinler^Pi> lol
[7:07] <SophieRxx> sounds hilarious
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[7:08] <Prinler^Pi> im trying very hard not to pass out. Had way to much to drink
[7:09] <Prinler^Pi> http://www.briandorey.com/post/Raspberry-Pi-Solar-Data-Logger.aspx
[7:09] <Prinler^Pi> check this out
[7:09] <Prinler^Pi> very nice project
[7:15] <Prinler^Pi> Anyone check it out?
[7:15] <Prinler^Pi> Y ou could literally monitor your whole houses use of utilities
[7:15] <Prinler^Pi> how much gas, how much electricity....
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[7:19] <Prinler^Pi> and upload it to the web so you can see it.
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[7:25] <knoppies> Prinler^Pi, Someone mentioned this before.
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[7:25] <knoppies> Prinler^Pi, wonder if it was you.
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[7:28] <Prinler^Pi> prolly
[7:28] <Prinler^Pi> i purchased all the stuffs and its gonna take awhile to come from the UK
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[8:11] <RudeViper> w00t w00t
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[8:16] <RudeViper> Does anyone here use the raspbmc backup addon ?
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[8:36] <Tachyon`> does anyone here know why raspbmc STILL locks up after playing 4-6 tracks of an album (reinstalled newest version on a different sd card yesterday after the 16GB one corrupted itself again and got relegated to camera duties)
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[8:44] <[deXter]> Hi folks
[8:45] <Tachyon`> good morning
[8:45] <[deXter]> 'morning
[8:46] <[deXter]> Getting my new RPi tomorrow!
[8:46] <[deXter]> Well it was delivered today but no one was home, so they took it back. :(
[8:46] <RudeViper> cool
[8:46] <RudeViper> Your gonna love it
[8:47] <[deXter]> I know I will. :P
[8:47] <[deXter]> Anyways, wanted to know whats the best distro out there, now that the sources are fully released?
[8:47] <[deXter]> Any distro updated yet to make use of all the hardware acceleration goodness? :)
[8:47] <RudeViper> I have been playing around with mine for the last four days- I have learned quite a bit but still have a long way to go
[8:47] <RudeViper> what are you going to do with it?
[8:48] <[deXter]> Anything and everything? lol
[8:48] <andi3> [deXter]: how long were you waiting for the board?
[8:48] <knoppies> [deXter], Then try raspbian (thats the debian one) if you have never used linux before, or arch if you have. Apparently analog sound works better in Arch.
[8:48] <RudeViper> media center - raspbmc - anything else use Raspian - unless your a real linux nut
[8:48] <Tachyon`> raspbian is nice
[8:49] <[deXter]> andi3, Since years..
[8:49] <Tachyon`> raspbmc has bloody problems
[8:49] <Tachyon`> which it seems impossible to get any useful information about, at least in here
[8:49] <RudeViper> I have mine working - FINALLY
[8:49] <Tachyon`> also...
[8:49] <Tachyon`> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/541330_546301755399282_1318234774_n.png
[8:49] <RudeViper> #Raspbmc
[8:50] <Tachyon`> ah, didn't realise it had a specific channel, thanks
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[8:50] <ShiftPlusOne> [deXter], all the distros are much the same. Raspbian has raspberry pi specifically in mind, so they try to optimize things accordingly when compiling, I guess. It doesn't really make much of a difference, so I'd go by preference. If you like Arch, use arch, if you like debian use raspbian. It's about personal preferance.
[8:50] <RudeViper> ROFLMAO
[8:50] <andi3> Tachyon`: invalid request
[8:50] <Tachyon`> andi3?
[8:50] <andi3> Tachyon`: sorry, copied half of the link
[8:50] <RudeViper> Tachyon`, I am finally backing up my Pi!
[8:50] <RudeViper> lol
[8:50] <knoppies> Tachyon`, that is pretty neat.
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[8:51] <Tachyon`> kittens make everything better -.o
[8:51] <RudeViper> yep
[8:51] <RudeViper> The College ID one looks like my CDL License - wide eyed
[8:52] <RudeViper> I had kind of a rough nite before hand - hahahahaha
[8:52] <[deXter]> ShiftPlusOne, Yes that's what I thought as well, I was just wondering if the new sources made it yet into any of the distros. Anyways ShiftPlusOne, can you play 1080p H264 on raspbian without lag?
[8:52] <andi3> [deXter]: yes, running something similar to what you run on your pc could be a good choice
[8:52] <RudeViper> Got into a BIG fight with Jose Cuervo
[8:52] <RudeViper> and lost
[8:52] <Tachyon`> yes, usually without lag
[8:52] <Tachyon`> although I have experienced problems on some files
[8:52] <ShiftPlusOne> [deXter], that's not distro specific, you just need to make sur eyou use the right software (omxplayer).
[8:52] <Tachyon`> in particular the star trek HD encodes which skip like hell due to the 8 channel audio apparently
[8:53] <[deXter]> ShiftPlusOne, ah, well that's the sort of info I was looking for, thanks. :)
[8:53] <knoppies> [deXter], depends on the params used when it was encoded into H264, but many people can play their H264 files at 1080p without lag.
[8:53] <[deXter]> cool
[8:53] <Tachyon`> the video generally is always hardware decoded, at least up to bitrates that work out at 5GiB/hour it seems
[8:53] <RudeViper> with Raspbmc you can do youtube though
[8:53] <Tachyon`> can you?
[8:53] <ShiftPlusOne> [deXter], from my experience all of the distro keep up to date fairly well, though there is the rpi-update tool some people use. It pulls in the latest kernel and firmware.
[8:53] <Tachyon`> didn't spot that
[8:54] <Tachyon`> was too busy trying and failing to play the content I have locally
[8:54] <RudeViper> its a little slow to get going but yes
[8:54] <[deXter]> ShiftPlusOne, awesome, thanks will note that down
[8:54] <Tachyon`> hrm, I bet it's downloading it to a ramdisk or something then playing it
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[8:55] <[deXter]> also, does the Pi support UMS-I / II SD cards?
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[8:55] <RudeViper> remote control via web works to - sluggish and keeps loosing connection though - haven't messed with that much yet though - I bet it's in the html coding - That language I know so I will take a look at it tomorrow
[8:56] <[deXter]> *UHS
[8:56] <RudeViper> oh - web viewer addon SUCKS - don't bother with it
[8:57] <Tachyon`> [deXter], I think yes but not at the higher speeds
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[8:58] <[deXter]> hmm
[8:58] <Tachyon`> IE: they'll work but you'll get the 30MiB/second or whatever that's typical with fast cards
[8:59] <RudeViper> I am currently watching you tube videos that I have downloaded
[8:59] <RudeViper> plays really good
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[9:35] <bircoe> hmmm about to rebuild my desktop machine... getting sick of Ubuntu's many flaws... the question is Linux Mint MATE or Cinnamon?
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[9:40] <Jck_true> bircoe: Debian - Go clean :)
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[9:42] <[deXter]> bircoe, Mint XFCE Edition, or Mint Debian edition (which comes with XFCE anyways) :)
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[9:43] <bircoe> never been a fan of xfce
[9:43] <[deXter]> Well wait till you see the 4.10 release
[9:43] <[deXter]> It's a solid DE now. Very professional. Clean, fast, stable.
[9:44] <bircoe> googling...
[9:44] <[deXter]> If you haven't been following the developments: http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
[9:44] <[deXter]> just see how clean, neat, minimal and professional it looks. Now compare that to Unity or Gnome3 or KDE... :P
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[9:55] <Milos> holy crap
[9:55] <Milos> I finally solved all my raspberry pi power issues
[9:55] <Milos> to do with battery
[9:55] <Milos> the solution: $2USD
[9:56] <Milos> adjustable step-down converter
[9:56] <Milos> set it to 5.3V
[9:56] <Milos> now I can hook an HD webcam and 3G dongle to my raspberry pi on its own
[9:56] <Milos> wooooo
[9:56] <Milos> and run it off a lead acid battery
[9:57] <Milos> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251088690509?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 this deserves to be more expensive
[9:58] <[deXter]> Adjustable? Nice
[9:58] <[deXter]> And I hope that it's a switching mode converter and not a transformer type..
[9:59] <Milos> I don't care anymore
[9:59] <Milos> whatever it is
[9:59] <Milos> you have no clue what I have been through
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[9:59] <Milos> I have about 60 types of voltage regulators
[9:59] <Milos> that one does it
[9:59] <[deXter]> Sweet, it uses a LM2596
[9:59] <[deXter]> That's a switching regulator
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[10:00] <[deXter]> 92% efficiency, not bad
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[10:00] <Milos> well
[10:00] <Milos> at 12V to 5V
[10:00] <Milos> it's not 92%
[10:00] <Milos> but like I said I don't mind.
[10:00] <Milos> tried many other things
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[10:01] <[deXter]> Anyways, thanks for the link, *bookmarked*.
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[10:01] <Milos> :)
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[10:20] <ShiftPlusOne> [deXter], xfce is a bit misleading, it's not as light as it comes across (anymore)
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[10:23] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> morning folks.
[10:30] <bagpuss_thecat> mornnign
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> Milos, I've seen a lot of little regulators like that. I still want to build myself a 4-port USB PSU at some point.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> Milos, the question would be: 4 of someting like those, or one bigger one ...
[10:35] <Tachyon`> I use enlightenment
[10:35] <Tachyon`> it's lightweight and looks nice
[10:35] <Tachyon`> it's also packaged in debian
[10:36] <Tachyon`> not sure if it's called enlightenment or e17 in debian, but aye
[10:37] <CelticTurnip> packaged in Debian... lol, what isn't packaged in Debian? :P
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> I used xfce4 ...
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> however I turn off all the 'desktop' stuff.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> I have the same configs on desktop/laptops/Pi's.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> I used fvwm for about 20 years before that
[10:39] * BurtyB was a fvwm95 fan lol
[10:39] <CelticTurnip> I'm still using FVWM now :)
[10:39] <Tachyon`> I preferred original fvwm
[10:39] <Tachyon`> very clean
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> No openbox fans? =(
[10:39] <Tachyon`> I've not tried that one
[10:40] <Tachyon`> is that the one that's rather like nextstep?
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> It's just a wm, but has a menu if you right click the desktop. People tend to customize it by adding custom bits until it is nextstepish
[10:41] <Milos> gonzzor, I bought 10 :D
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I'd still be using fvwm if the upgrade to debian squeeze hadn't caused me issues...
[10:41] <Milos> gordonDrogon, rather
[10:41] <Milos> sorry gonzzor
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[11:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Bah... Is microsoft making all their programs metro-ish?
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[11:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Just installed visual studio express... I don't like it (yet) >=/
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[11:04] <Fleck> i dont like microsoft :D
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> Microsoft?
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> Who are they then?
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> name rings a bell though...
[11:04] <Fleck> hey gordonDrogon, nice loderunner :D
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> Fleck, Heh.. Old apple II :)
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> still working..
[11:04] <Fleck> :)
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> right. some stuff to do locally. laters..
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[11:11] <Jck_true> It still amazes me how much beating a windows install can take through
[11:11] <Jck_true> My current windows install at work is from Aug 2008
[11:11] <Yotson> low expectations?
[11:11] <Yotson> lol, sorry. :)
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[11:11] <Jck_true> I don't think there's a software package which haven't been installed - removed - hacked etc
[11:11] <Jck_true> and yet somehow windows still boots
[11:12] <Jck_true> (Well it shuts down kinda slow - Takes like roughly 5-7 minuts at the saving user settings)
[11:12] <Jck_true> (And well at every boot it reports finding new hardware called "Nets" which it can't find any drivers for)
[11:13] <Jck_true> (And Thumbnails of openoffice documents freezes explorer for 20-30 seconds)
[11:14] <Jck_true> (And sometimes it refuses to enable my wifi antenna again unless I reboot)
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[11:15] <Jck_true> (And RS232<->USB adapters occasionally gives me a BSOD or just makes every usb device hang on my system)
[11:15] <Jck_true> Other than that everything is just fine and dandy
[11:15] <Fleck> my linux install on one bow is from 2k5, now what? :)
[11:16] <Fleck> *on one box
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[11:33] <IanMc> Hi all, just got my Pi the other day
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[11:34] <IanMc> Can I ask, what is everybody programming the Pi with? I'm new to linux
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[11:36] <linuxstb> IanMc: Maybe a better question will be to say what you want to do, and then people can suggest a suitable language. Personally, I'm developing some DVB software, so am using C.
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[11:38] <IanMc> ah, thanks linuxstb
[11:38] <IanMc> I think I'll mostly be using the IO pins and serial port
[11:39] <linuxstb> Then I think people will probably say python (but I've no experience of doing that on my Pi)
[11:39] * linuxstb waits for someone to say python
[11:39] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd go with C or C++. Many people prefer higher level languages like pytho...yeah that
[11:40] <IanMc> ok cool, thanks. Any news of getting Android on it yet ?
[11:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I think there are people making progress, but there seems to be something missing in the recently opensourced libraries. I don't have much interest though, so I am not sure.
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[11:43] <IanMc> well, its all exciting stuff.
[11:45] <Nik05> C++ ofcourse :P
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[12:18] <Nik05> github down again? :P
[12:18] <tinti> Nik05: what ???
[12:19] <Nik05> i cant update firmware
[12:19] <Nik05> getting 403 error
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[12:22] <Nik05> who has problems with Hexxeh rpi-update?
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, if somethings missing, then write it ;-)
[12:23] <Nik05> oh now it is updating :S
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, hell, I don't even know what it is that is missing (if anything at all)
[12:24] <Nik05> yey and it needs a reboot
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> So it looks like overclocking is cool - but my Pi's are much more sensitive to overclocking the sdram than the cpu ...
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> when they're not happy at high-speed (500MHz sdram) then weirdoes happen - espeiclaly if the power supply is marginal!
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> SD card issues and random lock-up/segfaults/oops ...
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> remove the sdram overlock and bingo - up to 1GHz they go..
[12:30] <Milos> what the hell is "Disable dispmanx auto-offlining when not required"
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[12:31] <Milos> man I hate when the github is updated without citing documentation on what's changed thanks to the non-open-source-ness of the firmware
[12:31] * Milos mumbles
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. posties just been, but didn't deliver what I'm waiting on )-:
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[12:37] <[SLB]> just got my 512mb raspi \o/
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[12:39] <[SLB]> 11 days total waiting time from order to delivery by royal mail uk to italy
[12:40] <[SLB]> they could put some sponge or rubber stuff in the package though..
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> at least you got it ...
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> no local sellers in Italy then?
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[12:41] <[SLB]> not that i know of, possibly, but i went for farnell right away
[12:42] <ShiftPlusOne> swecide, did you get my pm?
[12:42] <swecide> I guess not
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[12:47] <[SLB]> brb booting from the new one
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[12:49] <mumbles> who poingd
[12:49] <mumbles> ah randem highlight
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[12:52] <mumbles> waiting for my new pi to be delivered
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[12:53] <[SLB]> \o/
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[12:55] <[SLB]> free -m
[12:55] <[SLB]> total used free shared buffers cached
[12:55] <[SLB]> Mem: 486 135 350 0 14 77
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[12:56] <[SLB]> nice the webserver is really faster
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[13:00] <gordonDrogon> probably as it can keep more cached.
[13:01] <[SLB]> eheh
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[13:01] <[SLB]> and temperature is normal, i've read someone saying their 512mb pi was at 80?C
[13:03] <biberao> yo
[13:03] <biberao> guys
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[13:03] <mumbles> [SLB]: as long as it dosent get as hot as mine did
[13:05] <bagpuss_thecat> doh
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> Hm. taking cpu from 900MHz to 1GHz while keeping SDRAM at 400 only shaves 3 seconds off a 90 second compile.
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. just seen this: Want to co-lo a Pi for free? http://www.edis.at/en/server/colocation/austria/raspberrypi/
[13:11] <BurtyB> gordonDrogon, they've been doing that for a while - don't know anyone who has one live there though
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[13:14] <booyaa> yeah there's a few gotchas
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[13:14] <booyaa> that will result in them taking ownership of your device
[13:14] <booyaa> but still it's amusing a raspi coloc
[13:15] <SpeedEvil> only if you refuse to pay shipping
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[13:15] <booyaa> i'd want a coloc where i can stick my gpio into some expensive ass sensors
[13:15] <booyaa> hurr
[13:16] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: Y U NO COLOC?
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> remote proctology?
[13:16] <booyaa> ugh
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, er.. I have my own co-lo space in Sheffield :)
[13:16] <booyaa> mind bleach
[13:16] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: hehe nice
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> I might put a Pi up there for fun next time I have anything to send there.
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> I can usb power it off another server :)
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> wonder if there is Linux software to run the USB as a client-side device emulating usb storage...
[13:19] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: so you can do a remote poweroff?
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, no - so I can provide a 'usb drive' for more storage than the local SD card.
[13:19] <booyaa> ah
[13:19] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: one of my friends is now running his rootfs off iscsi storage
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, I think nid0 here has been doing that for some time now.
[13:20] <booyaa> used the recipe in elinux very happy with it. does require the overhead of gigabit ethernet
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> the pi only has 10/100 ..
[13:20] <nid0> yeah, my pi's have been running iscsi for a while
[13:20] <booyaa> ooer that's a fair point
[13:20] <nid0> (fwiw I wrote the guide on elinux)
[13:20] <booyaa> using bog standard
[13:20] <booyaa> nid0: hahah nice one dude
[13:21] <booyaa> should tell my friend on your irc so he can heap praise ;)
[13:21] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: no USB client mode support
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> I like the flexability of being able to boot mine withouth needing to be plugged in - e.g. when I'm on the train :)
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I thought that's what the usb gadget stuff was for? Guess I'm wrong )-:
[13:21] <trevorman> the USB controller needs to support it
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, ah, ok.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> still - it was only a thought :)
[13:22] <trevorman> you might be able to do it with a model A though. I think the SoC can do it
[13:22] <trevorman> the SMSC chip can't though
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I meant on a standard PC though - make one of my servers pretend to be a USB drive to the Pi - but I guess they have the same issues if the hardware can't run in client mode.
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[13:26] <trevorman> ah right. don't think any PCs USB controllers have that ability. it is generally just in SoCs
[13:26] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[13:34] <Kane> hey o/
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> probably for things like phones, etc. I suspect which are client devices then...
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[13:47] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: yeah
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> any suggestions for a video editor under (debian) Linux (not to run on my Pi though!). My camera seems to create .mov files ...
[14:33] <RobinJ> OpenShot or Kdenlive
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> kdenlive - I've heard of that.
[14:33] <[SLB]> avidemux2
[14:34] <[SLB]> you just need to convert?
[14:34] <mads-> I just received my raspberry yesterday. can anyone recommend a good wifi dongle for it? I remember not all wifi dongles work on linux (that was some years ago though)
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> kdenlive - wants to install about 200 K packages...
[14:34] <RobinJ> gordonDrogon: yeah it's got bloated kde dependencies
[14:35] <RobinJ> try openshot
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> I want to edit/chop bits out, fast-forward some other bits to make a video a bit smaller.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> youtube can wory about converting it ...
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[14:35] <cyclick> mads-, http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10308&cs_id=1050108&p_id=8072&seq=1&format=2
[14:35] <RobinJ> btw just got mine today :p
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[14:37] <mads-> $7.44 for that dongle. I can only imagine what it's gonna cost shipping it to Europe :) Thanks for the link though, gonna see if I can find it a little closer to home
[14:37] <mads-> But I hadn't imagined you could get such a cheap dongle
[14:38] <RobinJ> ?10 prolly
[14:39] <Jck_true> mads-: http://dx.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-150mbps-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-48166?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[14:39] <RobinJ> in the end my raspberry pi cost me ?45, in stead of $25
[14:39] <RobinJ> er
[14:39] <Jck_true> mads-: 9 USD - Including free shipping from china... If you don't mind waiting
[14:39] <RobinJ> *in stead of $35
[14:39] <RobinJ> 35 US dollars = 27.0396 euros
[14:39] <mads-> Jck_true, yeah thanks. I was just browsing around there too. I don't mind waiting. I have a cord - but I don't want the cord hanging there forever
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[14:40] <RobinJ> was a bit surprised though; they just stuffed mu raspie into an enveloppe xd
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[14:40] <mads-> RobinJ, me too. I was also surprised how small it was. Smaller than I had imagined.
[14:40] <RobinJ> hm nah not really size was as expected
[14:41] <RobinJ> just made a makeshift case in some toy building material
[14:41] <mads-> But buying the power, SD card, HDMI cable on the side, the pi is still a super cheap alternative
[14:41] <RobinJ> in the end everything together i needed was ?80
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[14:42] <mads-> I paid ?35 for the pi + shipment. ?20 for cables (power, hdmi and sd card)
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[14:43] <RobinJ> ?45 for pi and shipment and 35 for a switch, adapter and sd card
[14:43] <mads-> Jck_true, do you have any experience with that dongle working on linux?
[14:43] <RobinJ> and a power adapter not to forget :p i connected my pi, saw the light go on, and a minute later the power adapter blew up
[14:43] <Jck_true> mads-: Nope - Just picked the most popular on dx.com - You can check the reviews - Alot of linux users among them :)
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[14:44] <mads-> Jck_true, super. Just thought I would ask. :)
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[14:45] <Jck_true> mads-: http://furyfire.info/raspberrypi/accessories.pdf
[14:45] <Jck_true> mads-: The stuff I've gotten from DX so far and have tested :)
[14:45] <mads-> thanks :)
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[14:48] <mads-> Nice. Could be awesome with such Digital Tube Red LED Module.
[14:48] <mads-> I'm not much of a hardware geek. But could be super fun to play around with.
[14:49] <Jck_true> mads-: Well.. if i should give you an advice it's the best starting point - The female headers fits straight on the GPIO pins
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[14:50] <Jck_true> And you can draw power directly from the board... I've made a basic interface - But it's pretty fun working out your own if you have the time and interrest :)
[14:50] <msch> i hate that http://dx.com/p/usb-webmail-msn-skype-notifier-1-3m-cable-51824?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate/ is sold out
[14:51] <mads-> Think I will try that as well. I could maybe modify yours a little to my own needs
[14:51] <mads-> msch, just noticed that. I was just about to buy it :(
[14:51] <Jck_true> msch: There's clone - Differnt style through http://dx.com/p/usb-universal-e-mail-webmail-im-notifier-gmail-outlook-outlook-express-pop3-27062?rt=1&p=2&m=2&r=3&k=1&t=1&s=51824&u=27062
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[14:52] <msch> Jck_true: how do you know that it's the same USB HID interface?
[14:52] <IT_Sean> I was just about to post that one, Jck_true
[14:52] <Jck_true> msch: Forum posts talks about same software - And it got the same PID and VID
[14:53] <msch> Jck_true: ah :)
[14:53] <msch> but it doesn't look as good :)
[14:53] <Jck_true> It's not that cool through - Not very bright... You can't change the colors fast - But it's fun for a project
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[14:59] <Jck_true> Anyway - I should remember to update my list when i get stuff the next few weeks
[14:59] <Jck_true> Got a few things in the pipe :)
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[15:01] <mumbles> well the men in brown have pickedup my dead pi
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[15:01] <Jck_true> mumbles: Did they leave a white outline on the tarmac where they found the victim?
[15:02] <DeliriumTremens> why do you presume it was found dead at an airport?
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[15:02] <IT_Sean> DeliriumTremens, they don't actually do the white outliney bit, you know.
[15:02] <nid0> tarmac is at more places than airports
[15:03] <DeliriumTremens> THEY DO TOO
[15:03] <Jck_true> IT_Sean: Aww dammit - I always wanted it written in my will that i wanted it done in pink...
[15:03] <DeliriumTremens> nid0: i have a feeling i'd have to be british to call it tarmac elsewhere
[15:03] <IT_Sean> they don't.
[15:03] <IT_Sean> it would contaminate the crime scene
[15:04] <DeliriumTremens> Jck_true: they wouldn't see your will until well after the chalk line process was completed
[15:04] <Jck_true> DeliriumTremens: You and your logic :|
[15:04] <Jck_true> why can't we all just be happy fools
[15:04] <DeliriumTremens> I am a pretty happy fool in most instances.
[15:05] <Jck_true> dude -- I've seen you... You're not pretty...
[15:05] <mads-> Does anyone have experience with running netflix on raspberry - I guess most of the raspberry OSes are linux
[15:05] <[SLB]> gordonDrogon, you needed someone to test gpio -version with a 512mb pi or something like that?
[15:05] <Jck_true> mads-: Can't be done (yet) atleast :)
[15:06] <mads-> damn it :(
[15:06] <DeliriumTremens> ;_;
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[15:06] <Jck_true> And I don't think the efford of porting android to the rasp is gonna affect that either
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], does gpio -v return the right board version?
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[15:07] <[SLB]> ah okay, i had to update it from 1.3 to 1.4
[15:07] <[SLB]> now it says This Raspberry Pi is a revision 2 board.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> phew :)
[15:08] <[SLB]> rev 000f
[15:08] <[SLB]> nice :)
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[15:08] <gordonDrogon> popping out for a bit.
[15:08] <[SLB]> ~
[15:10] <mumbles> I have a cat on my lap
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[15:34] <SirLagz> Hai, Has anyone used a hdmi extender successfully with the Pi ?
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[15:34] <DeliriumTremens> neg
[15:34] <DeliriumTremens> never tried
[15:35] <trevorman> SirLagz: don't see why it wouldn't work
[15:36] <trevorman> you may need to tweak the drive strength and other HDMI options as the transmitter module might be finicky but otherwise it should just work
[15:36] <SirLagz> Yeah I don't see why either, but the Pi isn't giving me a display when I have it plugged into the extender
[15:36] <SirLagz> yeah I've played around a little bit with the drive strength. using config_hdmi_boost=4 already
[15:36] <trevorman> did you plug it into the extender before you started the rpi or after?
[15:36] <trevorman> what does tvservice think the resolution is?
[15:37] <SirLagz> before
[15:38] <SirLagz> well. funny thing that...I don't have enough space to plug a keyboard into the Pi where it is at the moment, so I can't run tvservice lol
[15:38] <trevorman> got network?
[15:38] <SirLagz> and i haven't configured wifi or anything because of the keyboard
[15:38] <SirLagz> not atm
[15:39] <SophieRxx> So can't even SSH...hmm
[15:39] <SirLagz> lol nope. and I don't have enough space to fit the usb wifi adapter in
[15:39] <SirLagz> go me haha. stupid usb hub didn't work as i planned :(
[15:39] <booyaa> SirLagz: not even ethernet?
[15:39] <SophieRxx> Is ethernet possible?
[15:39] <SirLagz> I don't have ethernet available atm
[15:40] <booyaa> serial?
[15:40] <SirLagz> serial is beyond my ability haha
[15:40] <trevorman> SirLagz: try hdmi_safe=1
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[15:41] <trevorman> it'll force HDMI to be enabled, set drive strength to 4 and default to something like 640x480
[15:41] <SirLagz> ah. I shall give that a shot.
[15:41] <booyaa> good luck ;)
[15:41] <SirLagz> lol cheers
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[15:44] <SirLagz> nup. still nothing.
[15:45] <trevorman> hmm
[15:45] <SirLagz> pity I don't have any other hdmi devices to try this extender on =/
[15:45] <SirLagz> hope it's not the extender that's buggered. It's very *cosy* the way it's arranged now lol
[15:48] <trevorman> not sure then. you need to be able to check tvservice on the rpi and also confirm that the extender is working.
[15:48] <trevorman> is it an active extender?
[15:48] <SirLagz> no, just a cable
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[15:48] <SirLagz> yeah I might wait until I get some USB port extenders so I can extend the Pi's original ports to the outside of the case and then I can play with it a bit more
[15:50] <SirLagz> has anyone seen any panel mount HDMI extenders around ?
[15:50] <trevorman> eh?
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[15:50] <SirLagz> HDMI socket with screw holes so I can mount it onto a panel
[15:50] <trevorman> wait. are you talking about an extension cable?
[15:50] <trevorman> I thought you meant the boxes that let you carry HDMI over Cat5
[15:51] <SirLagz> well, an extension cable, but the socket end has holes to mount it
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[15:51] <SirLagz> well, It's pretty much a short extension cable
[15:51] <SirLagz> Guess I shoulda been more specific.
[15:51] <trevorman> the RPi should work with no problems with any well made extension cable as it should just be straight through
[15:51] <SirLagz> yeah that's what i thought too....
[15:51] <trevorman> if the HDMI output works fine on the RPi and the TV/monitor you're plugging it into is fine then I'd suspect the extension cable you've got
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[15:52] <SirLagz> http://www.dx.com/p/128243 <-- that's the extender thing I'm using
[15:52] <SirLagz> extension*
[15:52] <SirLagz> I guess I'd need to try the extension cable on something else to verify that the extension cable works then
[15:52] <SirLagz> buggerage.
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[15:54] <trevorman> it should work and adafruit sell one that specifically says raspberry pi so I think your cable has a problem
[15:54] <trevorman> https://www.adafruit.com/products/978
[15:54] <trevorman> there shouldn't actually be any difference between your one and the adafruit one though so I'm thinking a faulty cable or bad connection
[15:54] <SirLagz> yeah
[15:55] <SirLagz> wouldn't be surprised if it was a bad connection actually...the cable is a fair bit too long to fit into what I have it in
[15:55] <SirLagz> might pull the case apart again and try and plug the extension in with it fully unfolded and see how I go
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[15:56] <SirLagz> can't get it much shorter than what I have though...i think I need a bigger case.
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[15:59] <SirLagz> hmm..actually I tried it without the extension, just with a 90' adapter and that still didn't work =/
[16:01] <trevorman> can you temporarily remove that 90 deg adapter?
[16:02] <trevorman> just wedge the rpi in at an angle or something making sure its not shorting on anything
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[16:04] <SirLagz> yeah, if I plug the HDMi straight in, it works fine
[16:04] <trevorman> the extender?
[16:05] <trevorman> rpi <-> extender <-> cable <-> TV
[16:05] <SirLagz> sorry, I meant RPI -> HDMI -> TV
[16:05] <SirLagz> RPI -> Extender -> HDMI -> TV doens't work
[16:05] <trevorman> nah I mean with the extender in but not the 90 degree thing
[16:05] <SirLagz> neither does RPI -> 90' -> HDMI -> TV
[16:06] <SirLagz> neither does RPI -> 90' -> Extender -> HDMI -> TV
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[16:06] <trevorman> very odd
[16:06] <SirLagz> HDMI meaning the cable there. *oops*
[16:06] <trevorman> yeah
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[16:08] <SirLagz> I would have thought the 90' adapter wouldn't have been an issue but even that didn't like it
[16:08] <SirLagz> Unless it's just because of the way the case is...*hmmm*
[16:09] <SirLagz> might pull out the extension cable later on in case it's exerting presure on the 90' adapter when it's plugged in
[16:09] <SirLagz> otherwise I'm all out of ideas =/
[16:09] <SirLagz> lol...i just realised I have a laptop that I can use to test the hdmi extension *herpa derpa*
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[16:30] <SirLagz> well the 90' adapter definitely works
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[16:37] <trevorman> so the adapters work and the rpi works directly
[16:37] <SirLagz> i haven't tried the extension cable
[16:37] <SirLagz> but the 90' adapter works
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[16:51] <jhend60> Hi all, I'm trying to decide which way to go in terms of powering my Pi running raspbmc (which tends to hard-crash a fair amount). I am currently using an iPhone 4 wall charger (1A,5V), but also have a DUB-H7 dlink usb hub, which does have two 1.2A 'fast charge' ports. However, these ports revert to 500ma when plugged into a computer (AKA the pi). I am wondering if there would be an improvement in using a Y connector (2xMALE B to 1xMi
[16:52] <SirLagz> if you find out how it sets the 'fast charge' mode then you can make a cable that will still 'fast charge' and supply 1.2 A to the Pi
[16:52] <SirLagz> How do you know they revert to 500ma ?
[16:53] <amithkk> jhend60: Schematics on the DUB-H7?
[16:53] <jhend60> The LED changes from 'fast-charge mode' to standard mode. Also, others have identified this problem in forums.
[16:53] <SirLagz> ah
[16:54] <SirLagz> Y cable might be the easiest then.
[16:54] <jhend60> Im just not having much luck at all atm -.- part of SD card broke off, things are seeming really unstable
[16:55] <DeliriumTremens> jhend60: my raspbmc pretty much never hard crashes
[16:55] <jhend60> However, using a standard port on the hub seems to be more reliable than the wall charger haha
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> they might fast-charge if you short the data-lines together - but do check - I just have a feeling I've read that somewhere...
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> if you have a usb lead you don't mind sacrificing...
[16:56] <jhend60> I think raspbmc's super mode enabled overvolt without warning me either :P which may have been part of the issues
[16:57] <jhend60> Haha
[16:57] <SirLagz> haha
[16:57] <SirLagz> that doesn't help :P
[16:57] <jhend60> And the fast charge becomes disabled as soon as the input from the hub has a computer connected to it
[16:57] <DeliriumTremens> you should check what something will do before enabling it ;)
[16:57] <jhend60> I need to be able to use the hub as a hub
[16:57] <jhend60> yeah
[16:58] <jhend60> goodbye warranty
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[16:59] <jhend60> I think I read that somewhere too... but I don't know how it would work...
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[17:01] <jhend60> So - basically, falling short of using the fast charge port, my best option would be to use a y cable (rather than buying some new PSU?)
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[17:02] <SirLagz> Depends on how much effort you want to put into it...
[17:02] <SirLagz> If it were me, I'd just get a Y cable.
[17:02] <SirLagz> simpler and faster
[17:03] <jhend60> Yeah
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[17:03] <jhend60> I'll think i'll go that way
[17:03] <SirLagz> cheaper too haha
[17:03] <jhend60> You never know if a new PSU will provide a 'good, consistent' supply of power
[17:04] <jhend60> lot's of people have been having issues finding one :/
[17:04] <SirLagz> I'm using one that is supplying a constant 5.4V of power
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[17:04] <jhend60> im just hoping that the hub's power supply is good
[17:04] <jhend60> nice
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[17:07] <jhend60> Anyway, i'll look at buying this y cable now. Really hope it fixes my issues.
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[17:10] <jhend60> Too bad its practically impossible to obtain this cable in australia.
[17:11] <jhend60> without resorting to ebay :P
[17:11] <SirLagz> dealextreme
[17:12] <AC`97> kaidomain (eww)
[17:12] <TheSeven> bwahahahaha
[17:12] <SirLagz> West Coast or East Coast jhend60 ?
[17:12] <SirLagz> I'm in Perth :D
[17:12] <TheSeven> I assume you want your cable now, and not in >3 months?
[17:12] <SirLagz> kaidomain is horrible :P
[17:12] <TheSeven> then you probably shouldn't chose DX
[17:12] <TheSeven> choose*
[17:12] <SirLagz> haha
[17:12] <SirLagz> Dealextreme takes a while, but not 3 months :p
[17:12] <SirLagz> kaidomain was worse for me
[17:12] <TheSeven> well, I've ordered at DX 2 times
[17:13] <jhend60> east coast
[17:13] <jhend60> brisvegas :P
[17:13] <TheSeven> the first time it was just 2 months, but I just ordered a single item
[17:13] <TheSeven> this time it's 3 months already and they still haven't shipped it
[17:13] <AC`97> quickest from dealextreme was 4 days :D
[17:13] <SirLagz> anyway I'm off for the night. cya guys
[17:14] <TheSeven> their customer service is the worst I've ever seen so far
[17:14] <jhend60> thanks for the help
[17:14] <SirLagz> np
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[17:14] <TheSeven> blaming a delay on an order from june on china's national congress
[17:14] <TheSeven> and similar shit
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[17:16] <bagpuss_thecat> I concur with the DX observations. It took over 3 months to get me a 7USD thing delivered to the UK
[17:17] <jhend60> Anyone used lindy.com.au?
[17:17] <jhend60> site looks dodgy, but they have the cable i need :P
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[17:17] <DeliriumTremens> what cable?
[17:17] <DeliriumTremens> why not monoprice?
[17:18] <jhend60> dual usb male - single micro
[17:18] <jhend60> male type a - single micro
[17:18] <AC`97> i fixed dx's site once. and got a lot of om nom nom points
[17:19] <tld> most stuff from DX to here (Norway) used to get here in 2-3 weeks.
[17:19] <tld> occasionally taking longer before they shipped.
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> AC`97: fixed?
[17:19] <AC`97> like, login problem.
[17:20] <AC`97> due to crappy javascript written by a noob
[17:20] <AC`97> but... i was a noob at javascript also. didn't prevent me from fixin' it :D
[17:20] <AC`97> <- customer since 2007
[17:20] <TheSeven> they're refusing any kind of compensation for delays of 3+ months
[17:21] <TheSeven> basically saying "it's normal and to be expected"
[17:21] <AC`97> lolwot
[17:21] <jhend60> found it on monoprice
[17:21] <TheSeven> they also refused to cancel the order and refund
[17:21] <AC`97> communicate with them in chinese. they'll be much nicer to you.
[17:21] <TheSeven> oh, and I submitted some ratings more than a month ago - they're still pending review
[17:21] <tld> TheSeven: I wouldn't have expected compensation, but I would have expected them to cancel at request, after 3+ months.
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[17:22] <TheSeven> well, I would have just expected some sign of good will, like adding a tracking number for free or something like that
[17:22] <AC`97> my longest cancel took 6 months... until i remembered and contacted them about it :P
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[17:22] <TheSeven> well, if this shit continues I'll let my lawyer communicate with them
[17:23] <AC`97> TheSeven: china? o.o
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[17:23] <TheSeven> well maybe they'll finally take action if they get threatened a bit
[17:23] <TheSeven> I know that I their legal system won't do anything, but credit card companys might :P
[17:23] <AC`97> try paypal first, if that's what you used
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[17:24] <TheSeven> no, I don't use paypal because that's just as much of a scam as DX
[17:24] <tld> Some delays I haven't been happy with, but they've actually been quite cooperative at times. I missed pickup of a package once, so it got returned, and they were cooperating in getting it reshipped for example.
[17:24] <AC`97> lol
[17:25] <tld> My bank (through which I have to deal with VISA-stuff), is even less cooperative than PayPal, so I generally prefer PayPal, due to easier refunds.
[17:25] <AC`97> i lost a couple hundred dollars to paypal once
[17:25] <AC`97> but that was mannny years ago
[17:25] <TheSeven> but that's another story (it is completely unacceptable for a payment service to just kill off a transaction because they think it's suspicious without telling neither the seller nor buyer, and continueing to show it as "pending" on the website)
[17:26] <tld> Don't get me wrong. PayPal is *evil*. That doesn't mean the others are better though.
[17:26] <AC`97> they also cancelled 2 of my accounts
[17:26] <TheSeven> paypal's customer service said that this is also normal, the transaction will just expire after 14 days without progress, but nobody will be notified before that time, that the transaction won't get through
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[17:28] <tld> insane
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[17:28] <TheSeven> and this was not an international transaction
[17:28] <tld> anyone tried ordering clothing from DX btw?
[17:29] <TheSeven> the only reason I used paypal (instead of a simple wire transfer) was that I wanted it to be *fast*, which they completely screwed up
[17:29] <TheSeven> tld: I wouldn't dare...
[17:29] <jhend60> Hmmm, im gonna keep looking for an Australian store, 36 dollars for shipping is ridiculous for a 90c cable.
[17:29] <tld> jhend60: eBay?
[17:29] <jhend60> hahaha
[17:29] <TheSeven> but yeah, I've spent several hours on the DX issue already. 14 roundtrips with customer service, and the majority of my items still haven't left china.
[17:30] <jhend60> last resort
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[17:30] <Wiisel> Ive always had good results with DX
[17:30] <AC`97> i've spent over $10k on dx stuff :P
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[17:30] <TheSeven> and the items that have arrived were of really terrible quality
[17:30] <AC`97> you get what you paid for? XD
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[17:31] <tld> Not sure I've paid over $10k, but I have probably made 100-200 orders.
[17:31] <TheSeven> a charger that I bought died within days due to really crappy soldering (fixed that)
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[17:32] <tld> I think the thing to do with DX, is order max 2-3 items in the same order (shipping is free anyways), and *know* what you order from there, and not.
[17:32] <TheSeven> and I also bought 2 pieces of another item, they behaved completely different upon arrival
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[17:32] <TheSeven> one seems to be working, the other one is very strange
[17:32] <tld> If it's no rush, I'd rather buy something for $2 from DX, then the same *identical* thing for $25-$35 locally.
[17:32] <jhend60> doesn't look like there's any of the cable I need *in* australia
[17:32] <tld> jhend60: which cable?
[17:32] <tld> (sorry if it was said already)
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[17:32] <jhend60> Dual USB-A to Micro B
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[17:33] <AC`97> make one
[17:33] <tld> Dual USB-A? Can I ask what you need it for?
[17:33] <jhend60> honestly dont want to do any soldering kthx
[17:33] <AC`97> crimp
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[17:34] <jhend60> powering the pi from a hub, each port only puts out 500ma
[17:34] <jhend60> dual cable will provide 1a
[17:34] <tld> well, that depends on the hub.
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[17:34] <jhend60> apparently the solution works for this hub
[17:34] <AC`97> jhend60: how do you know ?
[17:34] <tld> would it be an option to use a 1A wall-charger? (or do you need connectivity as well?)
[17:35] <jhend60> Well the 1A wall charger I have isn't very stable
[17:35] <jhend60> AC`97: I can't be sure. I only know that other people have suggested using a Y cable
[17:36] <tld> jhend60: you basically want this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1ft-Dual-USB-A-to-Micro-B-Y-Power-Booster-Cable-for-External-Hard-Drive-YS-US7-/280750493818?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item415e08907a
[17:36] <jhend60> Yep, but without having to wait for international shipping haha
[17:37] <jhend60> especially considering that hurricane will have slowed things down in some cases.
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[17:38] <tld> jhend60: Still international, but UK might be faster? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-ft-USB-Y-Cable-for-External-Hard-Drive-Dual-USB-A-to-Micro-B-/110916085125?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Cables&hash=item19d31d2585&_uhb=1#ht_1910wt_1398
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[17:39] <jhend60> yeah true.
[17:39] <jhend60> might give uk a try.
[17:40] <tld> I'm not sure if it'll work out the way you want it to though. The cable could do signaling on one USB-port, and power on the other.
[17:41] <tld> Another thing you could do, would be an adapter, and then something like this? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-2-0-A-Male-to-two-A-Male-Data-Power-Y-Cable-/280849966665?pt=AU_Laptop_Accessories&hash=item4163f66649&_uhb=1#ht_943wt_1165
[17:41] <jhend60> i've read in most cable descriptions that the second cable is only used to boost the power
[17:42] <tld> The second is only used for power, the question is the first one. If that's used for both data and power, or only data.
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[17:42] <tld> You can draw more power from a port, if you don't do comms over it as well.
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[17:43] <tld> so separating the two could make sense (and isn't harder than handling split of the currentdraw)
[17:43] <tld> but if the hub will only give 500mA, this won't help if that's how the cable is set up.
[17:44] <jhend60> hmm
[17:44] <tld> Not trying to be hard on your or anything, just would be kinda bad to wait for 2 weeks, then get a solution which doesn't work.
[17:45] <jhend60> yeahh
[17:45] <jhend60> if the first cable is used for data and power, and the second for power, would this be a problem?
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[17:46] <tld> Do you need 1A, because you need 1A, or because you need "more than 500mA"?
[17:46] <jhend60> raspberry pi `requires` 1A, just trying to be more on the safe side
[17:46] <jhend60> I mean, it seems to work fine when running off a 500ma port
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[17:47] <tld> Well, it could work, but I'm not sure if the load would be split exactly 50/50 between the ports.
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[17:47] <jhend60> But I have experienced a couple of hard crashes in either case (running on a iphone charger 1A / running on the 500ma port)
[17:47] <zgreg> the raspberry pi without any peripherals just requires ~400 mA maximum
[17:48] <zgreg> so unless you stick something into the USB ports that consumes a lot of power, you're fine in many cases
[17:48] <jhend60> Hmm yep, and as long as the hub doesn't try to draw power from the pi haha
[17:48] <zgreg> also, the pi itself even runs with just about 4.3V
[17:49] <linuxstb> zgreg: Is that with or without ethernet?
[17:49] <jhend60> I am pushing it quite a bit tho (large xbmc library, full 1080p rendering over NFS shares)
[17:49] <jhend60> with
[17:49] <zgreg> most devices don't however :)
[17:49] <zgreg> *USB devices
[17:49] <zgreg> I don't remember, sorry
[17:50] <zgreg> I only remember being surprised it runs stable with such a low voltage
[17:50] <jhend60> im running 1 USB (which I am running/booting off) directly from the pi, +ethernet.
[17:51] <jhend60> Well I have noticed that it does run worse using the walladapter over the 500ma port
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[17:51] <tld> I don't remember how power is set up on the thing??? It's a 3.3V device, and the 3.3V is powered from 5V rail? So giving it a 1A 5V supply, on the exposed 5V pin, should be a fix?
[17:51] <tld> (if there's nothing but the regulator needing 5V, power directly at 3.3V?)
[17:52] <jhend60> I'd rather not do anything with GPIO pins :P
[17:52] <jhend60> to be honest.
[17:53] <tld> tsk, tsk, time to learn. :-P
[17:53] <tld> (I can understand the impulse, but it can actually be quite fun)
[17:53] <jhend60> hahaha its not that i don't want to learn... i just need a fast solution haha
[17:54] <tld> that's what they all say.
[17:54] <tld> ;)
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[17:54] <jhend60> Im software design, not elec. engineering student haha
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[17:57] <jhend60> Hmm darn... now I'm unsure as to what I should do -.-
[17:57] <tld> Send your Raspberry to me, and I'll fix it.
[17:57] <jhend60> hahahah
[17:57] <jhend60> sure thing :P
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[17:58] <tld> He doesn't trust me. :(
[17:58] <jhend60> you could be a space alien.
[17:58] <jhend60> for all I know.
[17:59] <tld> How'd you know?
[17:59] <tld> On a more serious note though???
[17:59] <jhend60> :O
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[17:59] <tld> a 1A normal half-sane USB/iPhone/whatever-charger, cut the wire, solder, crimp or even glue it to a female jumper cable, connect ground first, then 5V.
[17:59] <tld> Easy, fast.
[18:00] <jhend60> ok
[18:00] <tld> Might want to remove power from the hub, not entirely sure.
[18:00] <jhend60> as in the input from hub to pi?
[18:00] <tld> Oh, and I'm tired and caffeine-deficient, so might want to confirm with at least one other person here before you do it.
[18:00] <tld> Yeah.
[18:00] <jhend60> well, the hub doesn't seem to backpower the pi
[18:00] <tld> If the 5V regulation is off on either of them, things could get interesting.
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[18:01] <tld> (You could have power flowing from one of them, through your pi, into the other??? )
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[18:01] <jhend60> yeah
[18:01] <jhend60> unfortunately, dont have a multimeter that actually works.
[18:01] <jhend60> so haven't been able to test these things :P
[18:01] <tld> anyways, I think the idea should be workable, it's what I'd do (after thinking it through first), but I'm *not* a Pi expect.
[18:02] <jhend60> so running it directly into the GPIO is better exactly how haha
[18:02] <jhend60> isn't the problem at the power supply side?
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[18:03] <RudeViper> Good Afternoon All
[18:03] <d3nd3> hi
[18:04] <tld> Which is why I'm suggesting you not use the power supply on the hub side, but a separate 1A 5V USB-charger-type-thingy, to power the Pi directly.
[18:04] <Prinler^Pi> Hey everyone
[18:04] <tld> but I've got to head off, fix some dinner on the table???
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[18:04] <jhend60> D:
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[18:05] <Prinler^Pi> Why would you need more then 1A into a rpi?
[18:05] <RudeViper> From what I have read - it is actually NOT RECOMENDED that you plug your pi into the computer
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> what I've found in the past day or 2 is that overclocking and SDRAM speed plus a marginal power supply is not a good combination. So my Pi's run OK down at 4.7v but overclock the sdram and ....
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, I'm running 2 Pi's off a laptop right now...
[18:05] <jhend60> gordonDrogon: I've also had problems
[18:06] <AC`97> i'm running a laptop off 2 Pi's
[18:06] <Prinler^Pi> gordonDrogon, why
[18:06] <AC`97> >:D
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> Prinler^Pi, why what? run off a laptop? it's convenient for where they are right now.
[18:06] <RudeViper> I am only saying the it is NOT recommended
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon> RudeViper, who says that? I've never seen it anywhere...
[18:06] <Prinler^Pi> what is the bare power requierments of a pi?
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> The Pi needs 5 volts with a supply capable of giving it 700mA.
[18:07] <Prinler^Pi> It says not to plug into a computer
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> Prinler^Pi, where?
[18:07] <Prinler^Pi> the paperwork inside the box
[18:07] <AC`97> it says not recommended.
[18:07] <Prinler^Pi> I purchased mine from element14
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> I've probably thrown all that away )-:
[18:07] <Prinler^Pi> THE ONLY real supplier of PI's
[18:07] <AC`97> they just don't want you to blame them after you fry your port
[18:07] <d3nd3> the guy above said that 400 ma it runs.. i see many mixed opinion, he say pi alone is ok with 400 ma .. just not with usb also:P
[18:08] <Prinler^Pi> In the paper it says dont use a computer. A computer will give max 500ma
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> oh that's not going to happen - most laptops/PCs will take 3G dongles - or charge phones..
[18:08] <AC`97> my laptop will power an unpowered hub with 4 wifi dongles plugged in
[18:08] <AC`97> ...1watt dongles
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> yea, in-theory a USB port shouldn't give more than 100mA but all do... well almsot all. I'm sure there are 1 or 2 that actually obey the standards, but I've yet to meet one.
[18:09] <piney0> the paperwork says 'shall only be connected to an external power supply' who said a computer is not an 'external power supply' ?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> I think they're only erring on the side of caution.
[18:09] <d3nd3> i had to purchase a powered usb hub, the components i were using were drawing too much power
[18:10] <Prinler^Pi> Would hate to plug a accesorized pi into a laptop and fry the USB ports... Waste of a laptop when the cable i use is a 1A usb premade for some LG smartphone. cost me a few $
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> jhend60, I've powered a Pi into its GPIO port too..
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> jhend60, it avoids the polyfuse which can have a little bit of voltage drop over it.
[18:10] <RudeViper> d3nd3, they said in the videos and on forums somewhere that that is suggested and prefered - you should only really use the on board USB for mouse and keyboard
[18:10] <jhend60> Yeah that seems to be the main advantage
[18:11] <RudeViper> although if you do that you can't connect antything else - so I use a powered hub on one port only - and everything goes into that
[18:11] <DeliriumTremens> RudeViper: lol mouse and keyboard
[18:11] <DeliriumTremens> they can get fecked if they think i'm not going to throw other things in my ports
[18:11] <AC`97> ...
[18:11] <Prinler^Pi> ...
[18:12] <RudeViper> DeliriumTremens, Well you do need to control it - either local or via web or ssh
[18:12] <d3nd3> i have a wifi dongle, usb sound card/amp, usb keyboard, usb mouse, usb powering the pi, usb data to the pi, power cord from the mains adapter ... this is on my 7 port usb hub
[18:12] <jhend60> gordonDrogon: I have a 512M pi, would that even have a polyfuse anyway? not sure of my boards revision.
[18:13] <AC`97> jhend60: input polyfuse only, i believe
[18:13] <d3nd3> and yes my particular usb hub backflows power into the pi through data cable
[18:13] <AC`97> d3nd3: new version Pi ?
[18:14] <d3nd3> yes
[18:14] <AC`97> i hope your power adapter is reliable
[18:14] <jhend60> d3nd3: what brand/model hub?
[18:14] <AC`97> else misbehaving power adapter = fried pi
[18:14] <d3nd3> pluscom 7 port, its on the prephirels elimnux wiki as working power hub, but it mentions the backflow
[18:14] <jhend60> hmmk
[18:14] <jhend60> my dlink dub-h7 doesn't seem to backflow power
[18:15] <AC`97> neither does mine
[18:15] <jhend60> im mainly just confused as to why the 500ma port on the dlink runs more stabily than my iphone 1A wall adapter at this point.
[18:15] <d3nd3> if i put the usb sound/card in a particular port on the power hub ... then my pi acts strange in terminal ... when i hit keyboard button, it spams it over and over
[18:15] <d3nd3> but on another port withint he 7 port, it works juts fine, strange
[18:16] <AC`97> d3nd3: because your hub is actually 2 hubs mashed together
[18:16] <piney0> d3nd3, that could be because a 7 port hub is actually 2 hubs with one daisy chained
[18:17] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CugfNNxmhhbXvjUjyDJ6mvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[18:17] <AC`97> ^ my hub
[18:17] <d3nd3> ok
[18:17] <jhend60> lol
[18:18] <RudeViper> I am still trying to figure out what to do about a case - lol - mine is sitting on a piece of styrofoam
[18:18] <AC`97> O.o
[18:18] <d3nd3> i would prefer a perfect setup, i have to learn some things about electricity first, i'm total newbie , but i'm up for some manual hacking if thats what it requires
[18:18] <DeliriumTremens> i dont like my case
[18:18] <piney0> RudeViper, have lego's around?
[18:18] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ISEdCXtdNK8xQw_deyjeq_DJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink my case is bulky
[18:18] <RudeViper> nope
[18:19] <DeliriumTremens> http://www.built-to-spec.com/blog/kit-instructions/raspberry-pi-enclosure-assembly-instructions/
[18:19] <DeliriumTremens> it was incredibly hard to get the pieces together
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> jhend60, they still have the 5v polyfuse, but not the USB ones.
[18:19] <d3nd3> i have a second pi , ordered .. with that one i ordered a power supply from RS components
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> I've just read a post on the forums suggesting phone 'chargers' might not be the best power supplies anyway...
[18:20] <RudeViper> too bad they didn't have the schematics for that one - I'm thinking of using either balsa wood or acrylic
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> as they might not be as well regulated as something actually designed to power a usb device...
[18:20] <jhend60> thats exactly why i'm looking into using the hub by itself to provide the power
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> I have a hub that powers a Pi (or 2) too.
[18:20] <jhend60> the 1A iphone charger is doing nowhere near as good a job as just using a 500ma port on the hub
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> cheap hubs don't have any current regulation..
[18:21] <d3nd3> 1) multimeter 2) components from internet 3) solder
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> mine doesn't. it's got a 2A PSU and I could probably pull all 2 of those amps out one socket if I tried...
[18:21] <d3nd3> 4) knowledge 5)confidence 6) adventurous curiosity
[18:22] <gordonDrogon> d3nd3, go to here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/ get a LED going :)
[18:22] <jhend60> i have 4 and 6.
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[18:23] <d3nd3> i will definately try
[18:24] <d3nd3> definitely , my spell checker just taught me something
[18:24] <jhend60> Hmm. I think i'll order a Y cable, and just keep using a 500ma port on the hub for now.
[18:24] <Spiffy> Does anyone here, by any chance, have access to download firmware updates from cisco.com? I would really like the ned ASA 9.01 and ASDM 7.0.1 :/
[18:24] <jhend60> Now onto my other problem. What SD card to replace my now chipped class 6 sandisk 8GB D:
[18:24] <jhend60> haha
[18:25] <jhend60> i think i can figure that one out myself D:
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> chipped
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> ?
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> do you mean physically damaged?
[18:27] <DeliriumTremens> it's got a real attitude problem
[18:28] <AC`97> i thought them things only die when UNchipped
[18:28] <RudeViper> Here is a good technical question.
[18:29] <RudeViper> if you plugged a good 5 volt 2 or 3 amp supply into the pi - would that be enough to run the pi and a 4 port hub powered via one of the on board usb ports?
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[18:31] <RudeViper> I ask cause I am thinking of taking a 12 volt power supply that I have and using a separate voltage control circuit to bring it down to 5 volts - it the above idea is not a good one there is still enough power to run an 2nd 5 volt circuit for a pair of powered hubs I have here.
[18:31] <scummos> sounds like yes
[18:32] <AC`97> RudeViper: linear regulator? XD
[18:32] <scummos> the pi needs at most like 700mA
[18:32] <AC`97> regulator go pop = 12v to pi
[18:32] <RudeViper> AC`97, not if it is done right
[18:32] <AC`97> done right how ??
[18:32] <scummos> can always have a fuse ;P
[18:32] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate
[18:32] <AC`97> pi already has fuse
[18:33] <d3nd3> my pi is running on luck
[18:33] <AC`97> my pi runs on raspberries
[18:33] <scummos> AC`97: well add an extra fuse
[18:33] <AC`97> extra fuse doesn't prevent 12v from getting to pi
[18:34] <d3nd3> RudeViper: i think i know someone who does that, and for him it works
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[18:34] <RudeViper> proper 5v regulator and protection circuits to prevent over voltage and amperage as well as special power bleed off
[18:34] <RudeViper> d3nd3, do you think you could check that for me
[18:34] <AC`97> or just use a switching power supply circuit.
[18:35] <Prinler^Pi> have you guys watched the ben heck show?
[18:35] <bertrik> the pi + usb hub might drop too much voltage to have enough voltage out the usb hub for peripherals
[18:35] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/f_rOpPTnh3bCuGjcQd3NOvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink om nom nom
[18:35] <RudeViper> what is that?
[18:35] <AC`97> my frankenhub
[18:36] <jhend60> gordonDrogon: as in it's got a slight chip out of the left hand side. It required to be on a certain angle to work.
[18:37] <jhend60> also the LOCK switch has just fallen off as well.
[18:37] <jhend60> Im suspiscious as to whether this is a legitimate sandisk card considering how easy it's fallen apart.
[18:38] <Prinler^Pi> I just purchased 8, 2GB, Dane Electric, SD cards for .99 each :P im selling them for $5
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[18:42] <SophieRxx> Why were they so cheap Prinler^Pi ?
[18:43] <Prinler^Pi> they were clearing them out
[18:43] <Prinler^Pi> was at a gas station
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[18:45] <jhend60> Still have issues with my K400 wireless keyboard not working D:
[18:45] <jhend60> even with both 'fixes' applied
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[18:47] <RobinJ> who needs a keyboard anyway =D
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[18:48] <RobinJ> jhend60: have you checked whether your keyboard is detected yet?
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[18:51] <jhend60> RobinJ: well, I have checked syslog after boot. the keyboard is loaded, xbmc simply isn't picking it up about half the time
[18:52] <RobinJ> nly half the time? have you checked the batteries?
[18:53] <RudeViper> I'm looking at all the CRAZY and UNIQUE cases out there. I forgot how STRANGE the world is - lol
[18:53] <RobinJ> :p
[18:53] <RudeViper> Cardboard case - Folding Mylar Case (totally non protective - lol)
[18:53] <jhend60> seemed to have no problem on a laptop. it seems funny though.
[18:54] <RobinJ> is the lego case protective then?
[18:54] <RobinJ> mine's prolly the most unprotective out there
[18:56] <RobinJ> RudeViper: http://imgur.com/xiopA,RmSuD
[18:57] <RobinJ> my raspie's in the red box btw
[18:57] <RobinJ> the white thing is just my switch :')
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[19:00] <RobinJ> btw does anyone know how to check the temperature and do the turbo mode thing on arch linux?
[19:00] <RudeViper> Interesting - lol
[19:00] <Prinler^Pi> we need a cloud of pi's
[19:02] <Prinler^Pi> there is no temp sensors
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[19:03] <bertrik_> I distinctly remember being able to read the pi temperature
[19:04] <RobinJ> on raspbian i think it's out of the box
[19:04] <RobinJ> but i'm using arch linux
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[19:06] <[SLB]> there is a temp sensor
[19:07] <RobinJ> .. no shit, sherlock :p
[19:07] <RobinJ> and how do i get the temperatures?
[19:07] <RudeViper> ooops somebody gonna get a nasty gram
[19:07] <[SLB]> slb@pi ~ $ /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[19:07] <[SLB]> temp=48.7'C
[19:08] <RobinJ> it's missing some shared libraries
[19:08] <RudeViper> I can get mine just by going into system settings but I am running RaspBMC
[19:08] <Prinler^Pi> I was told i was an idiot because i asked if there was a temp sensor onboard.... WTF ... it really does?
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[19:09] <RobinJ> RudeViper: i haven't even hooked a screen up to my raspie
[19:09] <RobinJ> urgh of course >.<
[19:09] <RobinJ> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:09] <RobinJ> [root@RaspberryRobin ~]# pacman -S libvcos
[19:09] <RobinJ> error: target not found: libvcos
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[19:10] <RudeViper> I have - it's running on a 32 inch Samsung with HDMI
[19:11] <Prinler^Pi> what is the command?
[19:11] <RobinJ> lol
[19:11] <RobinJ> Prinler^Pi: what command?
[19:11] <[SLB]> you need to update the firmware then
[19:11] <RobinJ> the general problem seems to be that /sys/bus/pci/devices doesn't exist
[19:11] <RobinJ> so sensors-detect can't see which hardware is on board
[19:12] <[SLB]> who told you you were an idiot maybe now is biting his tongue lol :)
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[19:12] <Prinler^Pi> How do i read the sensor
[19:12] <bertrik> RobinJ: it's not a sensor that is detected by sensors-detect
[19:12] <RobinJ> Prinler^Pi: normally by using the sensors command, but as you can see that doesnt work for me
[19:12] <RobinJ> what? that sucks :/
[19:13] <bertrik> I think I saw a patch for sensors-detect to avoid the pci scan on devices without pci
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[19:14] <bertrik> I think it was this one https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806364
[19:14] <bertrik> Prinler^Pi: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[19:15] <RobinJ> oh wait the pi just doesn't have a pci bus :p
[19:15] <RobinJ> bertrik: i'm missing a shared library that isn't in the repo's :/
[19:16] <bertrik> RobinJ: I don't know much about the specifics of raspbian, but I guess those libs are raspberry-specific
[19:16] <RobinJ> it isn't raspbian
[19:16] <RobinJ> wait it seems they're in a seperate folder
[19:17] <bertrik> I wonder what vcgencmd does exactly
[19:17] <bertrik> the executable is quite small
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[19:18] <Prinler^Pi> wow
[19:18] <Prinler^Pi> a whole 44.4C
[19:19] <RobinJ> fixed it
[19:19] <RobinJ> needed to create some symlinks
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[19:22] <RobinJ> Prinler^Pi: [root@RaspberryRobin ~]# /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[19:22] <RobinJ> temp=44.9'C
[19:23] <bertrik> I have a DS1621 temperature sensors attached to my raspi, sensors-detect finds it but the ds1621 driver is apparently not part of the kernel on raspbian
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> hmph. can't get tinybasic to run their own pi calculation example.
[19:23] <RobinJ> not that strange though
[19:23] <RobinJ> this is on my normal computer; http://pastebin.com/ny6qVp8K
[19:24] <RudeViper> This blasted thing has a mind of it's own
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[19:24] <RobinJ> RudeViper: no it doesn't.
[19:25] <RobinJ> Rule #1: If a human tries to argue with a logical device like a computer, the device always wins
[19:25] <Prinler^Pi> Cool, i added a wiget to my taskbar neato borito
[19:25] <nero> Rule #2: A big bucket of water, window, or hammer can nullify Rule #1.
[19:25] <RudeViper> it's got attitude though
[19:26] <RobinJ> xD
[19:27] <RudeViper> All the darned temps are in C and I want F but there is no where to change it - lol
[19:27] <scummos> CPU FAN Speed: 448 RPM (min = 600 RPM, max = 7200 RPM)
[19:27] <scummos> yeah sure
[19:27] <RobinJ> RudeViper: deal with it, ?C owns ?F :D
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[19:28] <bertrik> try sensors -f
[19:28] <RobinJ> by the way; do americans use the imperial system (yards, miles, inches, ...) or the metric system (meters, kilometers, grams)?
[19:28] <nero> RobinJ: in the US, imperial.
[19:29] <RobinJ> ok
[19:29] <nero> Canada is metric.
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[19:29] <RobinJ> so also miles per hour?
[19:29] <RobinJ> derp
[19:29] <RobinJ> ok
[19:29] <nero> aye.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> wow. tinybasic pi calculator took 65 seconds.
[19:29] <RobinJ> i always missed the logic in the imperial system, if there is any
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I ran it in RTB and it took 2.
[19:29] <Spiffy> RobinJ: there isn't any
[19:29] <scummos> RobinJ: there is none
[19:29] <RobinJ> ok, that expalins it then :p
[19:29] <nero> RobinJ: there is, but it is historical, and makes little sense today.
[19:29] <RobinJ> doesn't explain why we still use it then, though
[19:29] * scummos doesn't
[19:29] <scummos> :D
[19:30] <Spiffy> No sense. It makes, no sense.
[19:30] <RobinJ> well neither do i, cause i wasn't raised with it luckily
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[19:30] <RobinJ> i always knew britain was conservative (? and stuff), ut didnt know about america
[19:30] <nero> Spiffy: depends on what you do.. if you are surveyor, dealing with plats, acerage, etc.. there is quite a bit of logic/sense.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> in-theory we're almost all mertic in the UK apart from road speeds and distances.
[19:31] <RobinJ> oh well, just wanted to know :p
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[19:31] <RobinJ> gordonDrogon: .... then what remains?
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> however we still buy beer & cider in pints, but spirits & wine by the ml.
[19:31] <RobinJ> i still can't remember stuff like yards, miles and feet :p
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> a meter measures 3 foot 3, it's longer than a yard you see.
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[19:31] <RobinJ> gordonDrogon: keep it like that! pints at least have something in them, as opposed to our 25cl glasses
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> a litre of water is a pint and three quarter.
[19:32] <nero> liquor is one place in the US that we use metric.. :D
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[19:32] <nero> easier to do the math when inebriated I guess.
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> I was brought up on old stuff by my grandparents... but learned both at school.
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[19:33] <Xpl01t> Is it possible to play a TV streaming (rtmp protocol) in the Raspberry Pi? I'm trying to play this one here: rtmp://play2go.tv:1935/live, but I don't know how to do it.
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> moves from ?/d to decimal currency in 72...
[19:33] <RobinJ> at school i was thought in ?, but at that time we were still using Franks
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[19:33] <DooMMasteR> hi there
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> RobinJ, you didn't have to learn your 12 times table...
[19:33] <RobinJ> 12 times table?
[19:33] <DooMMasteR> vcgencmd codec_enabled h264 alswys returns h264=disabled
[19:34] <DooMMasteR> on my pi
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[19:34] <RobinJ> you mean 1*1, 2*2, x*x, 12*12?
[19:34] <DooMMasteR> vcgencmd version
[19:34] <RobinJ> course i did
[19:34] <DooMMasteR> Sep 18 2012 01:45:15
[19:34] <RudeViper> Well I asked over in the other channel lets see if I get a nasty remark this time instead of an answer - if at all
[19:34] <DooMMasteR> version 337601 (release)
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> 4 farthings in a penny, 2 ha'penys, 12 pennies to the shilling (with 1, 3 and 6 penny coins), 20 shillings to the pound.
[19:34] <DooMMasteR> how can I enable h264?
[19:34] <DooMMasteR> I htought it would be enabled by defaut
[19:34] <scummos> DooMMasteR: buy it I think...?
[19:34] <RobinJ> DooMMasteR: by buying a license :')
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> playback is enabled by default.
[19:34] <RobinJ> http://raspberrypi.com/
[19:35] <DooMMasteR> I thought it was included
[19:35] <[SLB]> you don't need a license for h264
[19:35] <RobinJ> don't really understand why the raspie can't just use the same gstreamer stuff ubuntu and mageia and all those distros use
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> it can...
[19:35] <Xpl01t> Hey guys, please: Is it possible to play a TV streaming (rtmp protocol) in the Raspberry Pi? I'm trying to play this one here: rtmp://play2go.tv:1935/live, but I don't know how to do it.
[19:35] <DooMMasteR> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> but they're all done in software and the Pi isn't fast enough for that.
[19:35] <RobinJ> but it doesn't perform well enough? or why do we need the licenses then
[19:35] <RobinJ> ah
[19:35] <RobinJ> k
[19:35] <DooMMasteR> [SLB]: I thought the same
[19:35] <RobinJ> that's why fuck patents
[19:35] <[SLB]> licenses are for mpeg2 and vc1, not h264
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> the gpu decodes h624 in real-time.
[19:36] <DooMMasteR> but it is disapled
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> RobinJ, what kind of patents?
[19:36] <scummos> [SLB]: oh ok, sorry then
[19:36] <scummos> gordonDrogon: the h.264 one probably? :)
[19:36] <RobinJ> gordonDrogon: software patents onthings taht are generally used, like mp3 and mpeg
[19:36] <DooMMasteR> so will encode somehow work anyways? or is there something wron with my py
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> RobinJ, I was pointing out the motd of the forum...
[19:37] <RobinJ> ?
[19:37] <[SkG]> <Xpl01t> Hey guys, please: Is it possible to play a TV streaming (rtmp protocol) in the Raspberry Pi? I'm trying to play this one here: rtmp://play2go.tv:1935/live, but I don't know how to do it. <--- omxplayer
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> I thought it could play back h264 natively? and that the license was the transcode it..
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Hmm.
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> wonder what I was watching last night then...
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[19:38] <[SLB]> it does, there's the 30mb big buck bunny video clip example
[19:38] <Xpl01t> Guys, please: is there a way to play this streaming TV channel on the RPi???? Its url is: rtmp://play2go.tv:1935/live
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], ah, ok - just re-read your last few messages. understand now!
[19:39] <[SLB]> :)
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> anyway, tinybasic is as slow as a slow thing :)
[19:40] <[SLB]> eheh
[19:40] <DooMMasteR> gordonDrogon: the licens WAS needed for encoding but the blog article states it will be enabled by default
[19:40] <DooMMasteR> but it aint
[19:41] <Prinler^Pi> What is the best browser for Wheezy?
[19:41] <Nik05> iceweasel :P
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> chromium
[19:41] <nero> lynx
[19:41] <Nik05> elinks
[19:41] <Nik05> links
[19:42] <Prinler^Pi> I installed chromium and it worked good for awhile
[19:42] <Nik05> :P
[19:42] <Xpl01t> midori ????
[19:42] <Nik05> nero does lynx support tabs? :P
[19:42] <[SkG]> <Xpl01t> Guys, please: is there a way to play this strea... <--- Read again, I said how to.
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[19:42] <[SLB]> my pi says:
[19:42] <nero> Nik05: sure.. use it along with Screen.. ;)
[19:42] <[SLB]> H263=enabled
[19:42] <[SLB]> H264=enabled
[19:42] <[SLB]> MPG2=disabled
[19:42] <[SLB]> VP8=enabled
[19:42] <[SLB]> WVC1=disabled
[19:43] <nero> er..screen even
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[19:43] <[SLB]> how do you check it's not enabled?
[19:44] <Xpl01t> [SkG]: i'm sorry, i saw only now you said that was omxplayer. So, what I should do? Everytime I command "omxplayer rtmp://play2go.tv:1935/live" it says "have a nice day ;)" and finishes =/
[19:44] <[SkG]> Xpl01t, using the one which come whit the reference image?
[19:44] <DooMMasteR> vcgencmd codec_enabled h264
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[19:45] <DooMMasteR> [SLB]: that is how it is documented
[19:45] <[SLB]> capital H
[19:45] <Xpl01t> [SkG]: i just downladed Debian Wheezy from the website and installed it
[19:45] <Prinler^Pi> Welcome Xpl01t
[19:46] <[SkG]> and where you get the omxplayer Xpl01t ?
[19:46] <Xpl01t> [SkG]: i guess it came with Debian
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[19:46] <[SkG]> then...
[19:46] <Xpl01t> I didn't installed it from apt-get, i guess
[19:46] <[SkG]> you are using raspbian?
[19:47] <Xpl01t> yea, i'm using raspbian (Debian Wheezy, isn't it?)
[19:47] <[SkG]> yes but I thougth it was the oficial one
[19:47] <[SkG]> apt-cache policy omxplayer
[19:47] <[SkG]> and say me which version is installed
[19:47] <Xpl01t> I guess it is official one, because I downloaded it from the RaspberryPi.org website
[19:47] <Xpl01t> ok, i'll see, wait a sec
[19:48] <Xpl01t> omxplayer:
[19:48] <Xpl01t> Installed: 0.2.1~git20120916~2612f1d7
[19:48] <Xpl01t> Candidate: 0.2.1~git20120916~2612f1d7
[19:48] <Xpl01t> Version table:
[19:48] <Xpl01t> *** 0.2.1~git20120916~2612f1d7 0
[19:48] <Xpl01t> 500 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy/main armhf Packages
[19:48] <Xpl01t> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:48] <[SLB]> DooMMasteR, ^
[19:48] <Xpl01t> That's it (sorry for the flooding)
[19:48] <[SkG]> (yeah sorry, by official "Debian" I meah the non hard float arm debian. For us, at rpi, the "official" debian is Raspbian)
[19:48] <RudeViper> DeliriumTremens, Wow - there are some nice guys over there along with the real smart alecs and you know whats
[19:48] <[SkG]> lol with "Installed" was enough
[19:48] <DeliriumTremens> over where?
[19:48] <[SkG]> let me check something Xpl01t
[19:48] <Xpl01t> ok
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[19:49] <DooMMasteR> [SLB]: I have seen some RPis with it enabled
[19:49] <DooMMasteR> but mine is not
[19:49] <[SLB]> maybe you missed it, i said try with capital H
[19:49] <DooMMasteR> [SLB]: ahhhh
[19:49] <DooMMasteR> loool
[19:50] <[SLB]> lol indeed :D
[19:50] <DooMMasteR> vcgencmd codec_enabled qwer
[19:50] <DooMMasteR> qwer=disabled
[19:50] <DooMMasteR> sersly WTF is that
[19:50] <DooMMasteR> -.-
[19:50] <[SkG]> well Xpl01t I think it should work, let me a second and I'll test that stream
[19:50] <DooMMasteR> not cool
[19:50] <RudeViper> DeliriumTremens, In the other channel we are in
[19:50] <DooMMasteR> broadcom is fucked up :P
[19:50] <DeliriumTremens> ah
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[19:50] <[SLB]> whatever you query it for, it says disabled if doesn't exist as enabled
[19:50] <Xpl01t> [SkG]: ok :)
[19:51] <[SLB]> but what you care of is only what's enabled so yea :3
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[19:55] <RudeViper> Wow I guess the rules only apply to some
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[20:04] <RobinJ> DooMMasteR: watch it, eben works for broadcom :p
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[20:06] <RudeViper> And I got yelled at for ALOT milder language than that
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[20:08] <rikkib> Haha chan ops come out of the woodwork...
[20:08] <ShiftPlusOne> =D
[20:08] <RudeViper> Yep
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[20:08] <nero> how about a channel pastebin rule? ;)
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[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Haven't seen much of a problem with people pasting silly amounts of anything.
[20:09] <rikkib> Nonetheless Broadcom has a very bad reputation amongst IT pro's here in this country.
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[20:10] <RobinJ> what was the use of that?
[20:10] <RudeViper> It's actually an insult here
[20:11] <RudeViper> use of what?
[20:11] <RobinJ> kicking him
[20:11] <nero> So I have a 10-year-old nephew, who wants to learn more about electronics, and robotics. Debating between getting him an arduino + some kit (perhaps a LOL shield, or parts for an LED cube) and a RaspPi + something like the adafruit prototyping/pi crust board. Any thoughts on a fun electronics/robotics project for a kid who wants to learn?
[20:12] <nero> (I'd be helping him with the project, and he said he wants to learn to solder, so I'd help with that as well)
[20:12] <RobinJ> nero: gertboard?
[20:12] <RudeViper> anti gravity device?
[20:12] <nero> RobinJ: ahh, I forgot abou tthe gerboard.. that would work.
[20:12] <RobinJ> *shivers*
[20:12] <RobinJ> keep me away from a soldering iron unless you want the house on fire
[20:13] <nero> RobinJ: nah.. I learned to solder when I was 8 or 9.. and my nephew is quite a mature/determined kid.
[20:14] <nero> my 3-year-old, however, will not be going near the soldering iron any time soon ;)
[20:14] <RobinJ> lol
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[20:14] <Wiisel> MSP430 LaunchPad
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[20:14] <Wiisel> under a fiver
[20:15] <nero> Wiisel: humm, that looks like it could be a cool platform to learn on.
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[20:16] <Wiisel> seen some fun projects on yotube and with the price its a winner
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[20:19] <anli_> What sd card should I buy?
[20:19] <nero> Wiisel: thanks for the idea.. I'll definitely keep that in mind. Could do that + some servos, motors, etc.. to do a little robot.
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[20:24] <rikkib> 5 plus weeks and still no replacement SD card from the supplier. Certainly not a good decision buying on price in this instance.
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[20:26] <Wiisel> nero: you may want to checkout Energia for the MSP430 if your familiar with Arduino IDE.
[20:26] <Wiisel> Ive chosen the launchpad because its the cheapest thing for me to blow up
[20:27] <rikkib> The small things mount up. Two sets on stuff for two RPi. And allowing 6 weeks for a replacement SD just adds to the frustration.
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[20:29] <rikkib> I run the following toys... RPi x 2, STM32V x 3, MC9S08 x 1 and one TSM320-P28016
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[20:33] <anli_> Do I need to buy an adapter as well?
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[20:35] <tld> Wiisel: How are you programming the launchpad? (I've got two of them, and getting familiar with msp430 is fast approaching top of my todo-list)
[20:35] <Wiisel> Im not yet its stuck in the post :D
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[20:35] <tld> anli_: adapter for what? (wasn't obvious from a scan of backlog, and since you haven't gotten an answer, I thought I should ask??? )
[20:36] <tld> Wiisel: :(
[20:36] <tld> Wiisel: Will you be looking to do things on windows, linux, or something else?
[20:36] <Wiisel> windows probably i suck in *nix
[20:36] <tld> hmm
[20:36] <rikkib> anli_, Go for a class 10 card 8 or 16gb. They usually come for adapters but check. If you do not have a sd card reader you will need one of those to.
[20:37] <rikkib> with adapters
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[20:38] <anli_> Sorry, I meant "power supply" when I said adapter
[20:38] <anli_> But as I understand it a micro usb cable is all I need
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[20:39] <nero> anli_: depending on use, you'll want at least a 1amp PSU for that micro USB cable.
[20:39] <nero> (Amazon sells a nice 2amp that I am using, which is quite inexpensive- their amazon essentials brand)
[20:39] <mads-> I just tried plugging a verbatim external hard drive to my raspberry. It just started beeping (the hard drive). It is USB powered - can the beeping be caused by too little power from the raspberry?
[20:40] <nero> mads-: I'd guess you'll need an external powered USB hub to run an external hard drive.
[20:40] <nero> (is it ia mechanical drive or SSD?)
[20:40] <anli_> What is a lamp PSU? Cant I use a mobile phone charger?
[20:40] <tld> mads-: A raspberry powered through USB would normally not have enough power for a USB-powered HDD.
[20:40] <anli_> oops, cell phone charger
[20:40] <mads-> nero, I guess it's mechanical. 500 GB and was pretty cheap
[20:41] <nero> anli_: yes.. just make sure it supplies at least 750 milliAmp, or preferably 1 amp.
[20:41] <nero> mads-: you'll definitely need to use a powered hub for that.
[20:41] <anli_> Is there an alternative to powering the raspberry pi through the micro usb port?
[20:41] <mads-> nero, I'll just look dx through for that :)
[20:42] <anli_> 1 amp? Isnt that enough for killing an elephant?
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[20:43] <nero> anli_: shrug.. its not enough to charge my iPad (which has a 2.2amp charger IIRC)
[20:43] <Prinler^Pi> no
[20:43] <Prinler^Pi> it takes 2A
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[20:43] <nero> There- 2.2A- enough to kill an elephant AND charge an iPad.
[20:43] <anli_> hehe
[20:44] <tld> I suppose it all depends on where you put those 2A.
[20:44] <anli_> It feels like I know less and less about what to buy for my rp :)
[20:44] <anli_> Hahahaha
[20:44] <tld> where on the elephant I mean
[20:44] <anli_> You talk about possible places on an elephant or an ipad?
[20:44] <anli_> Ah
[20:44] <nero> anli_: typically, if you are having stability issues with a Rasp Pi, it is due to inadaquate power. if you get yourself a 1amp + supply, you'll likely be good.
[20:45] <anli_> A lamp as in "this will brighten the room"?
[20:45] <anli_> oh, 1amp, not lamp
[20:45] <tld> 1amp as in 1 - one - amp, not as in lamp.
[20:45] <nero> and as to your question if you can supply power elsewhere, you can supply power via the GPIO pins, but you need to be very careful.
[20:45] <anli_> lol
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[20:46] <anli_> I will only do stuff that permits me to be careless
[20:46] <tld> then you can't do much with an rpi.
[20:46] <tld> actually, you can't take it out of the packaging it came with.
[20:46] <nero> look at the specs on your mobile phone charger.. it may suffice.
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[20:46] <RobinJ> anli_, ok, then run sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda without checking what it does first; that's definitely careless :D
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[20:47] <anli_> Hehe
[20:47] <tld> other than the 3.3V regulator, is there any other stuff using the 5V rail?
[20:47] <anli_> Seems that I need to proceed slowly with this toy
[20:48] <anli_> Engaging friends that knows more abot hardware than I do
[20:48] <tld> don't do anything you shouldn't, and you'll be fine.
[20:48] <anli_> lol
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[20:48] <nero> some worker wrote on my pi board with a red permanent marker.. grr.. what kind of quality control do they have there?? ;)
[20:48] <anli_> Does "do anything you shouldn??t" include buying a rpi? :)
[20:49] <tld> no, you can buy it.
[20:49] <tld> not sure about unpacking ti.
[20:49] <anli_> Already done
[20:49] <anli_> Using violence btw
[20:49] <tld> well, then you're just screwed.
[20:49] <tld> ;)
[20:49] <anli_> :)
[20:49] <nero> anli_: get the pi, an hdmi cable to whatever video source you need, a 8-16gig class 10 SD card, and a power supply/micro usb cable, and start having fun with it.
[20:50] <anli_> I seem to have two sd card slots
[20:50] <anli_> Thanks for the list nero
[20:50] <nero> no case? just tape it to your wall or something (assumping your wall isn't a conductive material)
[20:50] <anli_> lol
[20:50] <tld> if you need more power than you can get over USB, connect a 1A USB charger instead. Simple as that really.
[20:50] <nero> on your pi?
[20:50] <anli_> yeah
[20:50] <anli_> One beside the rj45
[20:51] <anli_> And one one similar on the other side of the cpu/gpu
[20:51] <rikkib> I use my main RPi on my Philips 236v LCD computer monitor with DVI-D cable
[20:51] <nero> tld: it depends on the machine you are powering it from.. my MacPro can't seem to supply enough power, but my wife's MBP can.. which is strange to me..
[20:51] <rikkib> HDMI - DVI-D
[20:51] <nero> anli_: those are the DSI and CSI slots..
[20:51] <anli_> Wow, CSI
[20:51] <nero> the SD card slot is on the under side of the board.
[20:51] <rikkib> That way all my computer resources are right in front of me.
[20:52] <anli_> found it, did not expect anything to be on that side
[20:52] <tld> near: it depends on so many different things???
[20:53] <tld> there are different spec's for powering things over USB, different ways to lay out the USB-ports on the machines, and so on.
[20:53] <tld> there's also software-control
[20:53] <tld> so you could end with issues like the MBP being able to power it, because it does *not* have a driver.
[20:53] <nero> tld: aye.. that is why I was saying, for reliable power, get a dedicated PSU ;)
[20:53] <tld> seems everyone agrees really
[20:53] <anli_> So the micro usb port on the pie is not supposed to be used with connecting external devices then? Only to provide power?
[20:54] <nero> anli_: correct.
[20:54] <anli_> I like those answers
[20:54] <nero> and the two full sized USB ports.. well, don't try to use anything that consumes much power.... for things like external drives, you'll need a powered USB hub.
[20:55] <tld> Or NAS. :)
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[20:55] <anli_> Ah, will only connect this to my tv and use xbmc, hm, wonder if I can put my xbox hand control somewhere in the pie
[20:55] <nero> (e.g.- I can do a generic keyboard + mouse, or keyboard + wifi dongle, but keyboard + bluetooth dongle, and it crashes)
[20:56] <anli_> keyboard and mouse is needed I suppose
[20:56] <anli_> I will use cable to get network anyway
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[20:57] <anli_> Is sandisk a good choice for a sd card?
[20:58] <anli_> I read about someone having problems
[20:58] <nero> anli_: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[20:59] <nero> I use a sandisk extreme 16gb (45MB/s) and it works great.
[20:59] <anli_> aha
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[21:00] <Prinler^Pi> Have you guys seen this totally cool door bell? hack a day...
[21:00] <rikkib> Transcend 16 & 8GB class 10 cards here
[21:02] <rikkib> Already have a door bell on my RPi
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[21:03] <rikkib> system("aplay doorbell2.wav");
[21:03] <Prinler^Pi> lol
[21:03] <Prinler^Pi> lemme find the video
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[21:04] <rikkib> I have a switch in series with a 560ohm resistor to ground on P1-5.
[21:05] <rikkib> Relays on other ports. Small daemon to poll the switch and trigger events such as aplay
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[21:06] <rikkib> Have proof of concept site. Goal: Open a gate 150 meters away with vid/aud to end point and aud to gate.
[21:07] <rikkib> Site not ready until early next year. Probably the time frame to get more RPi to do the job.
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, you know you can buy things off the shelf for that ;-)
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, have to admit they're rather pricey though!
[21:15] <rikkib> Zacery
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[21:16] <rikkib> There is more to it as well
[21:16] <nero> darn you hurricane sandy, and you delaying the swings I ordered off amazon..
[21:16] * nero shakes fist.
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[21:17] <rikkib> Such as the client works for the largest computer company in NZ
[21:17] <Prinler^Pi> http://hackaday.com/2011/11/22/a-doorbell-pleasing-to-both-the-ears-and-eyes/
[21:17] <Prinler^Pi> check that out!
[21:17] <rikkib> Thanks
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[21:20] <rikkib> Iceweasel just not playing nice on my Linux box now days
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[21:20] <rikkib> Damn utube, facebook and other links lock it up.
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[21:24] <Prinler^Pi> its a neat door bell that will play any song you want if you program it to do so
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[21:24] <Prinler^Pi> all mechanicly
[21:25] <nero> But can it be heard over the sound of 2 dogs barking loudly? ;)
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[21:25] <nero> Perhaps I should teach them to bark any song.. hummm...
[21:26] <ingamedeo> Raspberry and Halloween https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euxEsolfh1A&feature=g-all-esi
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[21:28] <rikkib> Idea that occurred to me a while ago. RPi gate opener has stereo out. One chan used to talk to person at gate and other chan has speaker down the drive. Play dog sound on that speaker.
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[21:29] <rikkib> I am releasing the dogs.
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[21:33] <sirclockalot> does anyone have the screen flicker on and off when playing video in raspbmc?
[21:34] <sirclockalot> it will play for a few minutes then it's as iff the screen looses connection with the raspberry pi
[21:34] <sirclockalot> but only during video playback
[21:35] <sirclockalot> i tought it might be the power supply, so i switched to a 2amp power supply
[21:35] <sirclockalot> still happening
[21:35] <sirclockalot> i even overclocked the video core to see if it might make a difference
[21:37] <Prinler^Pi> lol @ rikkib
[21:37] <NucWin> sirclockalot ive seen that. force the resolution to 720p and it will stop.
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[21:38] <sirclockalot> NucWin: sucks considering i wanted to play 1080p
[21:38] <NucWin> if you really want the 1080 it is possible to get it to stop with enough of an overclock
[21:38] <NucWin> i had managed to get it working without overvolting
[21:39] <sirclockalot> so it's a CPU problem?
[21:39] <sirclockalot> or a GPU problem?
[21:39] <NucWin> not totally sure what causes it but overclock the core as that is cache & ram
[21:39] <NucWin> not got my pi with me to look at config
[21:40] <sirclockalot> does raspbmc have a cpu governor?
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[21:40] <NucWin> it has an overclocking config thing in the raspbmc settings program
[21:40] <sirclockalot> if i put it to 1Ghz and overclock the ram plus overvolt 6 
[21:40] <NucWin> i went the other way
[21:40] <NucWin> i didnt overvolt but forced turbo
[21:40] <sirclockalot> i hate that little app, keeps messing up my config file and changing the overscan
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[21:41] <NucWin> think i did cpu 950 core 450
[21:41] <sirclockalot> ok
[21:41] <NucWin> ram 450
[21:41] <sirclockalot> thanks
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[21:42] <NucWin> cant remember what i did h264 at but i used the formular from the wiki in wolfram alpha
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[21:45] <Prinler^Pi> Is it better to use terbo mode or set the max settings all the time?
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[21:45] <gordonDrogon> probably safer to use the auto-turbo mode.
[21:46] <sirclockalot> but isin't turbo mode only good with an ondemand governor or did i get it the wrong way round?
[21:46] <NucWin> floor(2400 / (2 * 450)) * (2 * 450) / 6 = GPU @ 300
[21:47] <Prinler^Pi> well whats the max i can safely set my stats to?
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> sirclockalot, yes.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> sirclockalot, as in yes- use the ondemand.
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[21:50] <sirclockalot> arm_freq=950
[21:50] <sirclockalot> core_freq=500
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[21:50] <sirclockalot> gpu_freq=350
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[21:50] <sirclockalot> h264_freq=300
[21:50] <sirclockalot> sdram_freq=500
[21:50] <sirclockalot> safe to reboot?
[21:50] <sirclockalot> or will i have to overvolt this?
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[21:52] <SophieRxx> Easy way to find out, and if it doesn't work just reboot holding shift
[21:53] <sirclockalot> ok
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[21:53] <sirclockalot> thanks
[21:55] <RudeViper> Do you have to run the firmware upgrade everytime you have to reinstall the OS?
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[21:57] <SophieRxx> Are you talking about for the 512mb RudeViper ?
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[22:00] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[22:01] <SophieRxx> Hi
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[22:11] <mads-> ftp client for the raspberry - which one would I use?
[22:13] <plugwash> hmm, /me hasn't used ftp much in a long time
[22:13] <plugwash> i'm sure the traditional command line ftp client will work, whether it's what you want is another matter
[22:13] <plugwash> I suspect most of the GUI ones will run too but I don't know how fast
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[22:16] <RudeViper> depends on what you want to do with it
[22:16] <RudeViper> if you use firefox or iceweasel you can use filezilla
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[22:23] <CelticTurnip> ncftp is a nice command line client, dunno why you'd need/want a gui
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I use ncftp too.
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[22:24] <Wiisel> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/bramble has anyone watched the vid with English subs?
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[22:31] <RudeViper> SophieRxx, yes I was - and I confirmed - yes you do. But since I will be keeping back up copies of both my raspian and bmc configurations I won't have to worry about it.
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[22:32] <RudeViper> Has anyone solved the watching youtube video problem yet????????
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[22:35] <RudeViper> OOHHHHHHH sweet - they updated the raspi-config now - if you do the memory split upgrade and then upgrade the raspi-config FROM the raspi-config itself you can then set your memory split via the raspi-config script
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[22:37] <Gosy> is there a swedish raspberrypi user in here who would like to assist me in some basic questions :) ?
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[22:40] <TheSeven> hm
[22:40] <TheSeven> $ wget -O - http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer.img.gz | gunzip | sudo dd bs=4M of=/dev/mmcblk0; sync
[22:40] <TheSeven> is that supposed to work?
[22:41] <TheSeven> the resulting card doesn't boot on the pi
[22:42] <Gosy> anyone???
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[22:44] <Armand> If I'm powering the Revision 2 board via the GPIO pins... should I include fuses on my step-downs?
[22:45] <TheSeven> depends on what you're trying to protect it against and how well protected the stepdowns are
[22:45] <Armand> I don't think I have any fuses from source, so far..
[22:45] <TheSeven> what is the source?
[22:46] <Armand> 12v solar
[22:46] <TheSeven> probably battery buffered? so can deliver quite some current...
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> what would happen if you plugged in a usb device which shorted the +5v to ground...
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> that's the sort of thing you need to protect against.
[22:46] <TheSeven> to prevent burns I'd add a fuse between the panel+battery and the stepdown, maybe 3 amps or something like that
[22:47] <Armand> It's a deep-cycle battery rated at 7Ah... I've got a 12v charge regulator and 2 step-downs to provide 5v & 3.3v
[22:47] <TheSeven> a good stepdown should shut down in such a condition though
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Why 3.3?
[22:47] <Armand> And, I won't be using USB.. only the network port
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> do not feed 3.3v into the GPIO port...
[22:47] <Armand> Well, this is why I have to ask questions..
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> the 3.3 is generated on the Pi from the 5v supply.
[22:48] <Armand> I've seen guides claiming power savings using an off-board regulator.
[22:48] <RudeViper> what is the command in raspian to get cpu temp? someone posted it for somebody earlier but I didn't copy it down...ooooops
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> Armand, very possibly, but you'll need to unsolder the existing 3.3v first.
[22:48] <TheSeven> Armand: sure, you can save a little bit of power by having a stepdown instead of an LDO for the 3.3v rail
[22:48] <Armand> That's what I've seen, yes.
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[22:49] <TheSeven> the onboard one tolerates being powered externally, but that will probably make the power consumption worse, not better
[22:49] <Armand> As I guessed.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> I'd still put some sort of fuse/limiter on it - lower than 3A - 1A.
[22:49] <TheSeven> OTOH the main power consumption is on the 5V rail
[22:49] <Gosy> oki, could anyone help me out abit? i would like to take the conversation on a query / pm
[22:49] <Armand> Considering it's only using the LAN port and an SD card, would 1A be a good limit?
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> just saving anything from shorting out anything - even by accident, sliver of wire falling on the board, anything.
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> 700mA is more than enough to run a Pi...
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[22:50] <TheSeven> it will draw ~1.9W idle, with an external 3.3V regulator you can reduce that by 150mW at best
[22:51] <Armand> lower = better.. solar.
[22:51] <Armand> gordonDrogon, I'm talking about a safe rating for the fuse.
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[22:51] <TheSeven> the question is whether the quiescent current and losses of the stepdown outweigh the savings
[22:52] <TheSeven> Armand: for that kind of application you can very well use a 1A fast blow fuse on the 12V input
[22:52] <Armand> Only one way to find out. :P
[22:52] <Armand> Ok, that should be easy enough.
[22:52] <Armand> Certainly easier than putting fuses on 5v & 3.3v
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[22:55] <TheSeven> and it avoids voltage drop on the critical rails
[22:55] <Armand> Being as I want to rack up a load of Pi units on the solar source, I really need to watch the total draw.
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[22:58] <TheSeven> what kind of stepdown are you using?
[22:59] <TheSeven> the pi generally isn't really well suited for this purpose, the GPU keeps drawing a huge amount of current even if you're running it headless
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[22:59] <TheSeven> full CPU load vs. idle just makes a 10-20% difference in power consumption
[23:00] <Armand> I've got variable voltage regulators good for 2/3A
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[23:01] <TheSeven> as you say you aren't using USB, there is a hack you might be interested in
[23:01] <Armand> Go on. :)
[23:02] <TheSeven> configure a single stepdown for about 3.0-3.2V and hook that up to both the 5V and 3.3V rails
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[23:02] <TheSeven> should work fine except for the fact that your USB Vbus won't be 5V of course :)
[23:02] <TheSeven> ethernet works fine with such a setup
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[23:03] <Armand> The 5v is only required for USB ?
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[23:04] <Armand> Interesting..
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[23:04] <Hydrazine> very interesting
[23:05] <Hydrazine> how much power would this save?
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[23:08] <TheSeven> Hydrazine: totally depends on your stepdowns
[23:09] <TheSeven> the 5V rails powers 4 things:
[23:09] <SophieRxx> Just updated my pi, must say I preferred the old memory split on raspi-config
[23:09] <TheSeven> the processor core voltage, through a switching regulator
[23:09] <TheSeven> the 3.3V rail through and LDO
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[23:09] <TheSeven> the 2.5V rail through an LDO
[23:09] <TheSeven> USB vbus + HDMI detection power supply
[23:10] <TheSeven> we don't care about the 3.3V LDO
[23:10] <TheSeven> the 2.5V one's dropout is sufficiently low
[23:10] <TheSeven> USB vbus is only relevant for USB devices, which you aren't using
[23:10] <TheSeven> which leaves only the HDMI eeprom voltage
[23:10] <Armand> Nor am I using HDMI
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[23:13] <Gosy> Guys, could anyone help me out abit
[23:13] <TheSeven> Gosy: not in swedish
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[23:13] <Gosy> No, i'm not looking for swedish help
[23:13] <Gosy> im wondering if anyone could help me out , it doesn't matter :)
[23:13] <Armand> TheSeven, abit made motherboards... sheesh.. :P
[23:14] <TheSeven> Armand: roughly 300mA go down through the vcore regulator, ~100mA on 3.3V, 80mA of which go into the ethernet chip
[23:15] <TheSeven> the thing is that the input current will increase as the input voltage drops because of the internal vcore stepdown
[23:15] <Armand> Which means, we'll save a good bit by not using a 5V input ?
[23:16] <TheSeven> not necessarily
[23:17] <TheSeven> it depends on how efficiently the stepdowns operate in different conditions
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[23:18] <TheSeven> the main advantage is that you save the quiescent current of the second stepdown regulator
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[23:19] <TheSeven> the stepdown tends to get less efficient as you reduce the "intermediate" voltage though
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[23:21] <Armand> You mean, loses.. because I'm using a 12v source?
[23:21] <Armand> losses (?)
[23:21] <cubicool> Hi everyone; I'm at work and so I can't test this, but: do you need to be running X to use the broadcom display libraries? Or does it write directly to the display, whether or not X is running?
[23:22] <cubicool> (I may be using the wrong terminology calling them "broadcom display libs")
[23:22] <cubicool> The stuff in /opt/vc/src. :)
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[23:24] <Prinler^Pi> Ok i am looking at monitoring voltages and amp flow of low voltage 12-24 volts DC. I purchased an ADC PI A/D conveter that goes on the GPIO Port on the PI. If i use
[23:24] <Prinler> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160898414478?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[23:24] <Prinler^Pi> and connect them to
[23:25] <Prinler> http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/7/ADC-Pi---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[23:25] <Prinler> Is this gonna work?
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[23:27] <Hexxeh> cubicool: X doesn't need to be running
[23:28] <cubicool> Hexxeh: are there any projects yet building small UI kits on top of what Broadcom provides?
[23:28] <Hexxeh> cubicool: not that i've heard of
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[23:32] <bircoe> Hexxeh, nice work with Chromium on the Nexus 7!
[23:32] <Hexxeh> thanks
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[23:33] <Syliss> ugh i want a n7 so bad
[23:33] <bircoe> getone :) they're getting pretty cheap
[23:33] <bircoe> i believe they've just dropped the N7 on the Play Store to 199 USD
[23:33] <Syliss> it was that price before, but for the 8gb model
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[23:34] <bircoe> yeah but 16gb for that price now
[23:34] <Syliss> rent and bills are more important atm
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[23:34] <bircoe> I hear that...
[23:34] <Syliss> me not working = worried
[23:34] <RobinJ1995> this just can't be good.....
[23:34] <bircoe> I sold my PLaystation 3 to get the N7!
[23:34] <RobinJ1995> my raspie seems to have suddenly turned of
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[23:35] <ebswift> power supply died?
[23:35] <knoppies> RobinJ1995, might have something to do with your power supply (possibly even too little supply). Where you doing anything intensive on it at the time? Do you know what temp it was at? Where you overclocking it?
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[23:35] <RobinJ1995> last time i checked 45??C
[23:36] <RobinJ1995> nothing intensive; just a php script and a znc server
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[23:36] <RobinJ1995> not overclocking
[23:36] <RobinJ1995> it just arrived in the mailbox today
[23:36] <RobinJ1995> and has already blown up my previous power supply
[23:37] <bircoe> what were the power supplies?
[23:38] <DeliriumTremens> A gerbil on a wheel?
[23:38] <Armand> Nuclear power-station?
[23:38] <RobinJ1995> the previous one was an american one which i put into a US-EU adapter
[23:39] <RobinJ1995> if it has blown up this one as wlel then i'm going to get angry, cause that was my phone charger
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[23:39] <ebswift> 5v supplies are cheap
[23:39] <RobinJ1995> both are 5 volt ones
[23:39] <DeliriumTremens> I like how you're already speaking about your phone charger in past tense.
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[23:40] <RobinJ1995> yeah i'm getting kinda paranoia here
[23:40] <RobinJ1995> it was out of the box for 1 minute and it already blew up my power adapter; how would you be? :p
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[23:40] <ebswift> what load rating on the supply?
[23:40] <Armand> I had a little trouble finding a good mains>USB adapter.
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[23:41] <Armand> My apple charger is perfectly good though. :)
[23:41] <Scriven> Anyone here know about the acceptable range of USB? I'm trying to setup a voltage regulator, but unsure what to set it at. Right now it's 5.2V, which AFAIK will provide 4.9 to the pi after the usb protect diode, but IIRC the pi would be happier w/ 5V. Will USB devices be happy with 5.3V?
[23:41] <ebswift> also, RobinJ1995, the cable could be an issue - i had all kinds of power issues until i did the barrel jack mod
[23:41] <RobinJ1995> ebswift, what what on the supply?
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[23:42] <ebswift> yeah
[23:42] <ebswift> many usb cables can't carry sufficient current it seems
[23:42] <RobinJ1995> i'm a software guy; keep me away from hardware if you like to keep your roof where it is =D
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[23:42] <ebswift> yeah, software guy here, but i had to work out how to get juice to the pi
[23:43] <ebswift> wifi kept dropping on me and it was because of the usb power supply
[23:43] <ebswift> even with a 2 amp supply
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[23:43] <Armand> Mine supplies a solid 5V and it's good for 1A
[23:44] <ebswift> i use a 1A supply now that i've overcome the cable problem
[23:44] <ebswift> got plenty of juice
[23:44] <RobinJ1995> well my cpu usage had an avarega of 4%, so power shouldnt be a problem
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[23:45] <ebswift> the easy way to see if it's your usb cable is to measure the voltage from the little TP1 and TP2 holes once you fire the pi up
[23:45] <Armand> ;)
[23:45] <ebswift> if it drops under 4.75 you will have probs
[23:46] <bircoe> A good quality supply with a good quality cable is the Nexus 7 charger...
[23:46] <Armand> Yeah.. my LG charger is rated at 5V, but tests at 4.7
[23:46] <ebswift> i didn't try the nexus one, it was at work when i was having the power probs at home
[23:46] <ebswift> bircoe's barrel jack mod would fix that
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[23:47] <bircoe> Just tested with my Pi with a Nexus 7 charger, 5.5v no load, 5.1v light load and 4.8v booting
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[23:48] <RobinJ1995> ebswift, i'd like to keep the roof where it is, thank you
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[23:48] <cubicool> What voltage supply is TOO much for the Pi?
[23:48] <ebswift> RobinJ1995 well at least try a different usb cable next time, that might make a difference
[23:48] <bircoe> ebswift, i really should make those adapter cables!
[23:48] <cubicool> (I'm using a Samsung 5V myself, but I have issues with any USB devices...)
[23:48] <ebswift> stop them blowing up
[23:48] <RobinJ1995> ok, i just hope i havent blown up anything...
[23:49] <ebswift> bircoe, supply a case with the cable ready to solder so it's integrated into the case... with a power switch too
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[23:49] <ebswift> i did the tv one with the barrel mod and a power switch, it's great
[23:49] <bircoe> cubicool, when my 512mb Pi's shows up I'll push the limits of 5v till it blows up and let you know!
[23:50] <OpenSys> lol
[23:50] <OpenSys> 5.3v max
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[23:50] <bircoe> pish the limits on a 256mb pi that is :)
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[23:51] <Icoin> Hi all Devcoin for RaspberryPi released: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101559.msg1308072#msg1308072
[23:52] <cubicool> bircoe: I got my 512 just a few days ago; been hacking the VideoCore stuff, trying to come up with some ideas about apps I could write.
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[23:53] <home> I need to find time
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[23:53] <Prinler^Pi> what does VCC mean
[23:53] <home> to use my Raspberry Pi , and write some vision code
[23:53] <home> I need to get OpenCV on the thing going >.>
[23:53] <bircoe> vcc is the positive supply rail
[23:54] <Prinler^Pi> how do these hook up http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/3/Raspberry-Pi/7/ADC-Pi---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[23:54] <bircoe> ie if you've got a 5v supply negative is GND and positive is VCC
[23:54] <Prinler^Pi> oops
[23:54] <OpenSys> VCC = IC power supply
[23:54] <Prinler^Pi> ok
[23:54] <Prinler> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160898414478?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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[23:55] <Prinler> Im guessing the big blue block is the in and out of the flow of energy and the 3 pin header goes to my pi for reading ?
[23:55] <bircoe> yep
[23:56] <home> Icoin: what is that?
[23:56] <ebswift> it's insane how cheap all these little integrated modules from china are... i was looking at stepper motors with the board, with a ULN2003A for 3 bucks delivered
[23:56] <home> I want to build a quadcopter with my raspberry pi
[23:56] <home> is it do-able?
[23:56] <home> i have an MCU
[23:57] <home> such as an arduino uno
[23:57] <Icoin> the devcoin-at and devcoind, do you know what bitcoin is ?
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[23:57] <home> Icoin: I hear itsa virtual currency, but that's really it
[23:57] <Icoin> home: yes thats right
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[23:57] <OpenSys> home, sure that you able to do it
[23:58] <OpenSys> the problem is the battery
[23:58] <DeliriumTremens> you're going to mine bitcoins with a pi?
[23:58] <Icoin> home: now everyone on a rpi can have a devcoin wallet running
[23:58] <ebswift> home, you need it to be able to lift the pi and a power supply... could you use one of the off-the-shelf quad copters with their built-in stabilisation and add the pi in for extra smarts?
[23:58] <Icoin> DeliriumTremens: no, but i can run the application
[23:58] <home> Icoin: do I make money? :D ?
[23:58] <Icoin> send and recive coins :)
[23:58] <home> OpenSys: 12V battery?
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[23:59] <Icoin> home: no i work with bitcoins and devcoins :)
[23:59] <home> ebswift: We don't have built-in stabilisation, this project is going to be from scratch :/
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[23:59] <OpenSys> home, what size of quadcopter, 12v bat is very big

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