#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-31

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[0:00] <Icoin> home: this is a my part for the comunity :)
[0:00] <home> The point of all this was for me to learn built-in stabilization, and some other cool stuff
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[0:00] <home> OpenSys: I am not sure, its small, as long as I can put an IP camera in their
[0:01] <OpenSys> a ip camera
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[0:01] <home> still deciding, how I want to do this :/
[0:01] <OpenSys> big one
[0:01] <Prinler> buy one online.
[0:01] <Prinler> done
[0:01] <OpenSys> ip camera with wifi
[0:01] <OpenSys> losts of power
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[0:02] <Prinler> ebswift where did you find the stepper motors? Are they big enough to make a 3d printer?
[0:03] <OpenSys> you will build a quadcopter monster
[0:03] <OpenSys> for that
[0:03] <RobinJ1995> ok time for bed; let's see what has blown up :/
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[0:03] <ebswift> Prinler on ebay... some people were reporting pretty good torque, with half-stepping i think... i read mixed reports, didn't dig much further to see how good they are
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[0:04] <ebswift> actually 3 bucks was overstating it... $2.20 delivered, jeez I can't even buy the IC for that http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5V-Stepper-Motor-28BYJ-48-With-Drive-Test-Module-Board-ULN2003-5-Line-4-Phase-/271033518283?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1adb48cb&_uhb=1#ht_2711wt_1397
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[0:07] <home> OpenSys: yeah, so wifi is going to come with lots of power?
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[0:08] <home> OpenSys: how about a wifi usb plugged into a raspberry pi, that transfers the data?
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[0:09] <home> OpenSys: how about a wifi usb plugged into a raspberry pi, that transfers the data?
[0:10] <home> OpenSys: I want a quadcopter, but this is becoming huge
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[0:10] <home> I want it to be able to stream video...
[0:10] <Scriven> OpenSys, Do you know how 5.3V will affect USB devices? It would be a pain to need separate voltages for Pi & usb.
[0:10] <home> would be awesome if I could also control it via wifi :/
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[0:10] <ebswift> home, i think the stabilisation stuff uses dedicated chips for speed
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Scriven: WiFi spec is to 5.5v
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> USB
[0:11] <home> really, makes me wonder how to stabilize it >.>
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[0:12] <Scriven> Cause I've read they should be tolerant to 5.5V, but that some may only be tolerant to 5.25.
[0:12] * Scriven has never had to pay attention to this stuff b4. lol
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[0:13] <Prinler> ebswift what you thinking of using the motor for?
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[0:14] <Scriven> I've got the VR set to 5.2V right now to be safe, but it would be nicer if 5.3V was safe too. lol
[0:14] <Scriven> don't want to brown out when there should be no need.
[0:14] <ebswift> Prinler just toys for my son, like integrating into meccano or something - he's not old enough yet so it gives me time to learn :)... i have something similar working already with picaxe made into modules - i can control them over serial from a pc or the pi
[0:15] <SpeedEvil> stuff that does not accept 5.5 is violating the spec
[0:15] <ebswift> what i really want are steppers with encoders so i can set constraints and have known home positions... that part i haven't worked out yet
[0:15] <AC`97> 5.25*
[0:15] <Prinler> ebswift did you see the video i posted earlier
[0:15] <ebswift> no...
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[0:15] <Prinler> http://hackaday.com/2011/11/22/a-doorbell-pleasing-to-both-the-ears-and-eyes/
[0:16] <home> ebarch: I want those kind of steppters too :/
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[0:17] <Prinler> see the video... i think those are motors arnt they?
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[0:17] <ebswift> solenoids?
[0:17] <DeliriumTremens> actuators?
[0:17] <ebswift> yeah, solenoids i think
[0:18] <Prinler> think so?
[0:18] <ebswift> DeliriumTremens :) i'm an electronics newbie, i thought they were solenoids but you are probably right
[0:18] <DeliriumTremens> Hah, I have no idea, just making it up as I go.
[0:19] <OpenSys> Scriven, the fuse will drop the voltage so 5.2 5.3 is safe
[0:19] <ebswift> Prinler for wireless communication i've got these on order RF-DRA887TX and RF-DRA886RX-D
[0:19] <OpenSys> i have 4.99 stable with 5v 3A
[0:19] <ebswift> DeliriumTremens sounded plausible :D
[0:19] <OpenSys> home buy one
[0:20] <DeliriumTremens> I should have run with it.
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[0:21] <bircoe> He initially had a tough time locating actuators for his doorbell, but found a solution in geared pager motors as featured in another xylophone hack on Make.
[0:21] <bircoe> niether actuators or solenoids!
[0:22] <Prinler> ebswift isnt 433mhz the same as home automation?
[0:22] <Prinler> bircoe geared pager motors? whats a pager :p
[0:22] <bircoe> 433mhz is a pretty standard wireless frequency
[0:23] <bircoe> dang it... no wonder my Internet is slow... shaped already!
[0:23] <Prinler> is it? aight
[0:23] <bircoe> it's ok for short range stuff... 50-100m max
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[0:24] <ebswift> actually bircoe, these ones were tested at 150 through obstructions
[0:24] <ebswift> 2km line of sight
[0:24] <ebswift> and $10 for the pair :D
[0:24] <bircoe> they must be way too powerful to be legal :P
[0:24] <Prinler> yeah there is a limit on power
[0:25] <Prinler> ebswift what you gonna use them for
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> http://dx.com/p/flucard-sd-memory-card-w-wi-fi-for-camera-white-4gb-162942
[0:25] <SpeedEvil> smaller Linux system than the pi
[0:25] <ebswift> bircoe, within legal, 25mw
[0:26] <home> SpeedEvil: that gives wifi also?
[0:26] <ebswift> Prinler, to control the steppers through the picaxe from the raspi
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> home: yes
[0:26] <home> one sd card?!
[0:26] <home> really 0_0, wow
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> home: and ap mode
[0:26] <home> thats pretty awesome tech, but the range is short, right?
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> probably only a few metres
[0:26] <home> aw :/
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[0:27] <bircoe> theres a few cards like that on the marker
[0:27] <bircoe> market... internet being shaped must be affecting my typing skills!
[0:27] <home> can't it get a wireless n usb and a ssd card for that same price?
[0:27] <Prinler> gluck with that lol
[0:27] <bircoe> probably then you need a host for it...
[0:28] <Prinler> ebswift what you using the motors for? robots for your kids?
[0:28] <ebswift> yeah Prinler, hook up to meccano for my son, but he's still too young yet
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> bircoe: in principle, it should work with just a battery
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> if possibly reflashed
[0:29] <ebswift> Prinler i'll also demo it to the engineering department here to see if they can use it for teaching, they're using expensive leggo sets at the moment
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[0:29] <ebswift> here's a little story on those dorji 433mhz wireless modules http://www.picaxe.orconhosting.net.nz/DORJI_433ASK.pdf
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[0:30] <Armand> I need to look into stepping motor control.. I need a setup to rotate a solar panel.
[0:30] <bircoe> SpeedEvil, I wouldn't count on that!
[0:30] <bircoe> it probably needs to communicate with it's host to work out what mode to operate in
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> bircoe: why not?
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> yes, but that 'work out' is a mode that cannot be other than done by Linux
[0:31] <ebswift> Armand they're pretty easy, just practice with a cheap low torque one and work your way up to the higher torque ones
[0:31] <SpeedEvil> so you can reflash, and change it
[0:31] <bircoe> I've got 2 of the EyeFi cards, they don't work properly onless they're in a camera, and then only some cameras are supported
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[0:31] <bircoe> http://arktronic.com/weblog/2011-10-01/flucard-pro-review
[0:31] <bircoe> this explains the card quite well... it has a rather odd control system
[0:31] <bircoe> to put it in different modes you have to delete an image on the card
[0:32] <bircoe> after next boot up that image is restored
[0:32] <Armand> ebswift, unless I can get it all dirt cheap.. I'm kinda limited to going all in.
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[0:32] <ebswift> Armand the practise motor + module is $2.20 delivered, that's pretty dirt cheap
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> bircoe: it's a Linux device
[0:33] <ebswift> i think you should be able to control the IC from the raspi the same way as it's controlled from a PICAXE
[0:33] <bircoe> SpeedEvil, I tell ya what tho would make an interesting war driving paltform!
[0:33] <Armand> I need to work out the weight of panels and mounts, to see what I need to buy.
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> bircoe: if you reflash the Linux is on it, you can change that
[0:34] <bircoe> that's assuming there are prebuilt images to flash onto it!
[0:34] <ebswift> it'll be a good project Armand, you should do a write-up on it as you build it
[0:35] <Armand> Well, I do have the website set up for my blog. :D
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[0:38] <SpeedEvil> bircoe: or you can do it yourself
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[0:43] <ebswift> Prinler my other application will be DSLR rail control for timelapses - my discreet picaxe modules will be able to provide unlimited axes of control
[0:44] <ebswift> but i need to solve the encoder thing first, otherwise it would be a big mess trying to zero out all the axes
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[0:54] <bircoe> well time to install linux on my new SSD... later
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[1:08] <Scriven> SpeedEvil, OIC, so 5.5V is the spec, not just 5.25. Thanks for clearing that up, I'll go 5.3v and should be AOK. ;)
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[1:48] <Prinler> RUT ROH
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[1:49] <Prinler> I did a speed step up to turbo and it rebooted fine. I can ssh in... but my VNC shows the old school X mouse with a gray background.
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[1:58] <BillyBag2> Hi, if I connect to i2c is there a recommended value for the pull-ups at the far end?
[1:59] <rikkib> i2c uses the internal pull up
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[2:00] <plugwash> rikkib, minor correction, the pullups in the SoC are nowhere near strong enough for I2C
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[2:01] <plugwash> however the Pi has pullups on the board (but not internal to the SoC) that are strong enough. So most of the time external pullups shouldn't be needed.
[2:01] <BillyBag2> Do you not have pullups at each end? RPi has 1k8 by the looks of it but app note for the chip I want to connect implies pullups at its end too.
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[2:02] <plugwash> Not in most systems i've seen
[2:05] <BillyBag2> OK, lego mindstorm recommends 82K pullups which seams way too precise. But I do not know what is at the other end.
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[2:06] <plugwash> the NXT doesn't have pullups so they need to be fitted at the device end
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[2:07] <plugwash> which seams way too precise <-- I guess you aren't used to buying resistors
[2:07] <rikkib> 0.00004A
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[2:10] <BillyBag2> For voltage dividers I can under stand. For pullups I would expect there to be a little margin for power/performance and you would pick a standard value.
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[2:11] <plugwash> 82K *IS* a standard value
[2:12] <plugwash> 10 12 15 18 22 27 33 39 47 56 68 82
[2:12] <BillyBag2> Oh, I had to by them special as it was not in my pack of resistors. That makes a little more sence now.
[2:13] <BillyBag2> (buy)
[2:13] <plugwash> hmm, /me is curious what pack of resistors you bought
[2:13] <plugwash> since most sets i've used were E12 or better
[2:16] <BillyBag2> Just a pack of standard through hole with "standard" values. But no 82K in there, so had to order them. Usually I have the right values for most standard curcuits.
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[2:19] <BillyBag2> I think they were at least 10% (most?). Just not a full set.
[2:19] * rikkib checks out his smd collection. Yep 50 x 82k
[2:20] <plugwash> mmm, if it was a very cheap set perhaps it only had the E6 values
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[2:21] <rikkib> 3.6 & 3.3v zeners x 100 each
[2:21] <maicod> how do I set the syslog level higher on the Pi ?
[2:22] <BillyBag2> So I think one reason the lego guys got you to add the pullups to your sensor was to save power. There were several ports and not all may have digtal sensors.
[2:22] * plugwash thought it was for another reason
[2:23] <plugwash> one of the ports on the NXT can switch into an RS485 mode and the last thing you would want on a RS485 bus is stray pullups everywhere
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[2:23] <maicod> hi rikkib
[2:24] <rikkib> Hello
[2:24] <plugwash> I strongly suspect that is the reason they pushed the pullups into the sensor (i'm also pretty sure it was a late descision because there are pullups marked as "not mounted" on the schematic)
[2:25] <maicod> the reason I ask about the syslog cause I'd like quake to log the output it gives before going graphical
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[2:26] <rikkib> rsyslog I think is the one used on the rpi
[2:26] <BillyBag2> Ok, cool. So with "internal" pullups on the RPi (PCB) there is no need for external pullups at the other end. Its not a bus termination type issue.
[2:26] <maicod> oh
[2:27] <RudeViper|Laptop> Holla folk
[2:27] <RudeViper|Laptop> the S on this keyboard sticks really bad
[2:27] <rikkib> /etc/rsyslog.conf
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[2:28] <maicod> yeah found it. now gotta find how to make it log more ;)
[2:28] <maicod> thanks
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[2:31] <rikkib> Find out what it logs as and hit crit I think critical is the highest level
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> logging to network is nice
[2:31] <rikkib> Have not really played with logging in that sense... More often than not turning off logging is the issue
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[2:32] <maicod> rikkib: 'hit' crit ? in commandline ?
[2:32] <rikkib> Use crit
[2:32] <rikkib> in the conf file
[2:32] <BillyBag2> Is it possible to some how exclude a particular keyboard from being a normal input device and use it as a dedicated input under sw control?
[2:33] <rikkib> mydaemon.crit
[2:33] <BillyBag2> (USB)
[2:33] <maicod> ok rikkib
[2:34] <chithead> BillyBag2: in X or on console?
[2:34] <rikkib> You will need to read up on rsyslog.conf try man rsyslog.conf
[2:34] <rikkib> or man rsyslog
[2:34] <rikkib> or google is your friend
[2:36] <maicod> hehe OK
[2:36] <BillyBag2> I want a specific keyboard to play no part in console or X. But then have a process that can read from it. Its a standard keyboard.
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[2:38] <BillyBag2> So I think there are two parts. Blacklist the keyboard as a standard input device and then open it as a device explicitly.
[2:38] <TheSeven> raspbmc is awesome - if only the pi would be a little faster :)
[2:39] <maicod> brb
[2:39] <TheSeven> h.264 720p seems to be pretty much maxing it out
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[2:39] <TheSeven> (on a 720p screen, not a 1080 one)
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[2:39] <RudeViper|Laptop> anyone in here use mirc?
[2:39] <bircoe> I can play 1080p under OpenELEC just fine
[2:39] <TheSeven> 256MB model
[2:39] <maicod> theseven: you sure you use the gpu ?
[2:39] <TheSeven> can the gpu do mpeg4?
[2:39] <maicod> 1080p works fine here with omxplayer
[2:39] <bircoe> same, I have 2 256mb models hat both play 1080p smoothly
[2:40] <TheSeven> I thought it was only mpeg2 + vp8 or something like that
[2:40] <maicod> hi bircoe
[2:40] <bircoe> hi maicod
[2:40] <TheSeven> well I haven't tried 1080
[2:40] <maicod> h264 is its main strenght :)
[2:40] <TheSeven> 720p was running smoothly, as long as you didn't do anything
[2:40] <RudeViper|Laptop> Nevermind I figured it out
[2:40] <maicod> you need mpeg2 license for mpeg2 ;)
[2:40] <TheSeven> as soon as any menu gets overlaid or something it will start to stutter, and audio/video will desync
[2:41] <bircoe> not in OpenELEC :) it's buttery smooth
[2:41] <maicod> heh
[2:41] <TheSeven> aha, xbmc is doing something wrong then :)
[2:41] * maicod needs to reboot the Pie :) brb
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[2:41] <bircoe> no RaspBMC is doing something wrong :)
[2:41] <bircoe> OpenELEC also uses XBMC
[2:42] <bircoe> it's just more up to date
[2:42] <TheSeven> anyway, this was just an experiment... my real xbmc board will be a cubie, with sata and much more powerful hardware
[2:42] <rikkib> Hmmm Choc Bar
[2:42] <bircoe> Sounds like overkill!
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[2:44] <TheSeven> so what's the recommended way to get openelec?
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[2:46] <TheSeven> is this the right file? http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20121029172036-r12322.tar.bz2
[2:46] <bircoe> it can be
[2:47] <RudeViper|Laptop> In #mirc trying to get help to auto identify and to get this thing to beep me when someone types my name or certain keywords.
[2:48] <TheSeven> er, wrong channel?
[2:48] <bircoe> TheSeven, extract that archive, then there will be a script called create_sdcard
[2:48] <bircoe> run it and follow the prompts and you'll have a working OpenELEC SD card
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[2:50] <TheSeven> so this can really live with a 128MB card?
[2:51] <bircoe> sort of
[2:51] <TheSeven> wtf... an empty raspbian is much fatter and can do much less :P
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[2:51] <bircoe> the first partion is 128mb
[2:51] <bircoe> the 2nd partition us made up of the remaining space
[2:51] <bircoe> used for settings etc
[2:52] <TheSeven> yeah, although only 100MB of the first partition are actually used
[2:52] <TheSeven> is that squashfs-based?
[2:52] <bircoe> so at a minimum 256mb I'd say, but 256mb sd cards wouldnt perform well!
[2:53] <bircoe> i think so, the system imafe file is < 90mb
[2:53] <bircoe> image
[2:53] <TheSeven> ok, it will probably get my 256MB card then
[2:53] <bircoe> 40or so would be XBMC on its own
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[2:53] <TheSeven> and the raspbian from that will have to move onto a bigger one :)
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[2:54] <TheSeven> no real point in using a 32GB card for openelec I assume? :)
[2:54] <bircoe> depends if you use the storage partition on the card for media or not i guess
[2:55] <TheSeven> not for video data
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[2:55] <TheSeven> that's all mounted via ssh, smb or dlna
[2:56] <bircoe> i put kids shows on mine so i can move it when required to the other tv with no close ethernet port
[2:56] <bircoe> but only using an 8gb card
[2:57] <home> Okay
[2:57] <home> I need a raspberry pi alarm CLOCK ASAP
[2:58] <home> I am thinking of using these speakers for sound output
[2:58] <home> but how would I use it to make an alarm clock >.>
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> sleep 8h;cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio
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[3:00] <Orii> hey do the people that create the raspberry PIs do discounts for people buying many PIs? im trying to start a computer club at my school and they would be perfect
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> no discounts
[3:01] <SpeedEvil> as far as I'm aware
[3:02] <plugwash> Farnell in the UK have volume price breaks that bring the price closer to the foundation's nominal price the more you order (though afaict it never actually gets there)
[3:02] <plugwash> RS seem to charge the foundation's nominal price and then if you are a consumer add a seperate per-order charge for delivery
[3:03] <plugwash> so in general the more you order the closer you are likely to be able to get to $35+TAX but you can't ever get below that
[3:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Orii, yes, the same discount as an a single unit. If it wasn't a charity it would easily cost 5 times as much.
[3:04] <ShiftPlusOne> "as an a single unit?" I think my English broke =/
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[3:07] <home> ShiftPlusOne: you are correct
[3:07] <home> I have verified with the grammar Nazi's
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Is that apostrophe supposed to be there?
[3:08] <home> SpeedEvil: so thats how I would, uhm get audio working?
[3:08] <home> ShiftPlusOne: nope
[3:08] <home> its Nazis
[3:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Good thing we don't have grammar Nazis here then =)
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[3:12] <RudeViper> bugger - gotta get my join script fixed
[3:12] <RudeViper> I need to find the pause command for mirc
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[3:22] <garduino> yesterday I talked with some people here about openwrt... (no one able to help in #openwrt... not active help there)... is there anyone online here that can give me a hand for a few min... I have installed openwrt... and I want to use my phones hotspot... not sure what to do next... cant find instructions online that are clear
[3:22] <garduino> I am doing things so that I can plug my rp in to the router as none of my wifi dongles work
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[3:26] <cyclick2> garduino, follow this guide: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/clientmode
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[3:30] <garduino> clyclick2 my openwrt installed kamikaze... someone said I should be using backfire... do you know about this?
[3:32] <cyclick2> garduino, kamikaze is old look at the folders dates at http://downloads.openwrt.org/backfire/
[3:32] <cyclick2> http://downloads.openwrt.org/
[3:34] <garduino> ok I guess I will try to update that now... then try to understand the clientmode
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[3:36] <RudeViper|Laptop> Ok I got the autojoin fixed
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[3:42] <garduino> clyclick2 I downloaded backfire... will this be a flash or a simple install of a software package
[3:43] <RudeViper|Laptop> WOW - all the linux channels are gone
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[3:44] <SpeedEvil> what?
[3:45] <garduino> cyclick2 I downloaded backfire... will this be a flash or a simple install of a software package
[3:46] <cyclick2> flash from web interface probably but I never used this version so it might be different...
[3:47] <garduino> ok thanks
[3:47] <RudeViper|Laptop> ok - has someone found a way to make flash work?
[3:48] <RudeViper|Laptop> as in being able to watch youtube videos without having to download them first? I still can't get them to play even if I do that first. VLC apparently doesn't work very well on pi
[3:48] <garduino> I am just having trouble finding out what version of openwrt I have installed... I first installed 2.4 then I thought I upgraded to 47xxx then I tried to downgrade ... bricked my router... now it is running again but cant find where it lists the version I am on
[3:49] <RudeViper|Laptop> oh
[3:50] <Icoin> bitcoin-qt @ rpi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93724.msg1308306#msg1308306
[3:51] <bircoe> garduino, the status page should tell you
[3:52] <garduino> bircoe thanks... will look for the status page
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[3:55] <garduino> bircoe there is no "status" page
[3:55] <bircoe> depends on skin, but should look like this:
[3:55] <bircoe> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AEa8K-qoycI/Tk6AKjxMBvI/AAAAAAAACaE/z1dGQzzaTT8/s1600/nslu2_openwrt_status.jpg
[3:57] <garduino> ahhh only in backfire I bet... I am still in kamikazi... an trying to understand how to upgrade... the new flash failed
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[3:57] <bircoe> it shoul dbe in all versions
[4:00] <garduino> found it... had to switch to administration mode... instead of essentials
[4:00] <garduino> I am in 2.4
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[4:01] <bircoe> isn't 2.4 the kernel version?
[4:01] <garduino> Linux version (nbd@baustelle) (gcc version 3.4.6 (OpenWrt-2.0))
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[4:08] <garduino> bircoe... I am still trying to understand if upgrading from kamikazi to backfire is a software install or requires a flash
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[4:14] <Rudeviper> lol - been working on getting mirc set up properly tonight and haven't gotten a thing done tonight - lol
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[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> http://flock.codeweavers.com/ if anyone is interested. (not for pi obviously)
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[4:58] <maicod> hi I have something weird. @ first I could run the hello_triangle demos fine with the gpu_mem=64 setting but now it must be set higher or I get a 'init_ogl: Assertion `state->surface != ((EGLSurface)0)' failed' error.
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[5:33] <bonobonol> evening all..
[5:35] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
[5:35] <bonobonol> wondering if anyone here has tried to install network-manager and network-manager-gnome, and can help me out?
[5:36] <bonobonol> ShiftPlusOne: howdy
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[5:38] <bonobonol> or has experience with sharing an internet connection..?..not really adept enough to understand the connection bridging process..'cause, i have questions..
[5:40] <bonobonol> soo many ?s
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[5:41] <bonobonol> or anyone that is down with minidlna, and willing to lend a hand?
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[5:54] <nickgaw> Hi, Does anyone here know if alsa is all muted on the raspbian image dated 10-28?
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[5:55] <bonobonol> nickgaw: sorry, only got my pi a few days ago???haven't even plugged in the sound yet
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[5:56] <nickgaw> when you first boot it up does sshd automatically come up or do you manually have to start it?
[5:57] <DeliriumTremens> should be up
[5:59] <bonobonol> nickgaw: if not, run raspi-config, and make sure ssh server is enabled
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[6:00] <nickgaw> I don't have a keyboard or monitor connected to the raspberrypi as I was mainly going to use it over the network on the sd card is there any file I can look at to see if it will start up on boot?
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[6:04] <bonobonol> ah, well???gotta go prepare for another brilliant day at work???i'll try again on the morrow???thank you all, and have a wunnerful morning/day/evening/night...
[6:04] <nickgaw> hope work goes well
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[6:05] <bonobonol> nickgaw: thanks, couldn't be worse than today???nowhere to go but up, man???take care
[6:05] <nickgaw> what file can I edit or copy over from my debian desktop where sound works to raspbian so it works?
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[6:16] <bparker> is there any example code available that demonstrates decoding a h264 video directly to an OpenGL texture?
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[6:20] <mrlespaulman> Anyone have any luck running dgen?
[6:20] <mrlespaulman> The sega genesis emulator?
[6:23] <mrlespaulman> I got it with the most recent release of RetroPie, and it's acting kind of strange.
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[7:33] <jellostick> Is the Adafruit starter kit worth it?
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[8:00] <Jck_true> jellostick: I would say depending on how much "stuff" you allready own
[8:03] <jellostick> Yeah, ends up I had none of it. So I just ordered the kit :).
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[9:08] <Icoin> bitcoin-qt and devcoin-qt @ rpi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93724.msg1308306#msg1308306
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[9:17] <Cheery> Icoin: they need processing and bandwidth.. so it might be bit boring
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[9:20] <Electron^-> hello
[9:20] <Electron^-> I need help with arch distro for raspberry
[9:20] <Electron^-> anyone can help me?
[9:20] <Cheery> listening
[9:21] <Cheery> I have limits but I might be able to help you if it's simple thing.
[9:21] <[deXter]> I'm listening as well ^_^
[9:21] <[deXter]> Interested in running Arch on the RPi
[9:21] <Electron^-> I need to launch a program at boot
[9:21] <Electron^-> I've tried rc.local but it don't work
[9:21] <[deXter]> Have you upgraded to systemd yet?
[9:22] <bircoe> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd
[9:22] <Electron^-> I've upgraded all the system using "pacman -Syu"
[9:22] <[deXter]> then most likely you have systemd running
[9:22] <Electron^-> and systemd is installed and launched by the parameter in kernel
[9:23] <[deXter]> you can confirm that by typing: systemctl
[9:23] <Cheery> that's new stuff for me
[9:23] <bircoe> Electron^-, the Arch wiki is an incredible resource, become friends with it!
[9:24] <[deXter]> Electron^-, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#.2Fetc.2Frc.local_emulation_for_systemd
[9:24] <Cheery> I don't have systemctl on my raspi .)
[9:24] <[deXter]> But you can easily create a systemd unit file yourself
[9:25] <Electron^-> systemd-...d-console.path loaded active waiting Dispatch Password Requests
[9:25] <Electron^-> systemd-...word-wall.path loaded active waiting Forward Password Requests
[9:25] <Electron^-> this is the result of systemctl
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[9:28] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[9:33] <Cheery> hi
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[9:37] <Sonny_Jim> raspberrypi kernel: [ 2118.020270] EXT4-fs error (device mmcblk0p2) in ext4_new_inode:941: IO failure
[9:37] <Sonny_Jim> Any idea what's causing this?
[9:38] <swecide> overclock?
[9:38] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
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[9:38] <Tachyon`> erm
[9:38] <Tachyon`> does it appen with only the one card
[9:38] <Sonny_Jim> Nope, got two cards here
[9:38] <Tachyon`> t seems to be saying there's a bad sector
[9:39] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm, and both yield that error
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> It seems that if I leave the fs at 2GB, all is hunky dory
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> I'm using gparted on my laptop to resize them
[9:39] <Tachyon`> are the cards from reputable sources (IE: not dodgy chinese sellers)
[9:39] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> It's an SD card, what more can I say
[9:39] <Tachyon`> well, what more you can say is where it came from, hence my question...
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> I can dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb the whole card without errors on the laptop
[9:39] <Sonny_Jim> So I'm fairly sure there's nowt wrong with them
[9:40] <Tachyon`> well, yes, but that'd work anyway if it was looping round
[9:40] <Tachyon`> have you actually filled them on something else
[9:40] <Tachyon`> I dunno, if you're not ovreclocking that sort of ting shouldn't happen, yet it is, heh
[9:40] <Tachyon`> the pi is known to be rather picky abotu wat cards it works reliably with
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[9:41] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[9:41] <Tachyon`> doesn't like my 16GB sandisk ultra at all, keeps corripting itself
[9:41] <Sonny_Jim> Anyone wanna buy a Pi?
[9:41] <Cheery> I'd hope we could get that changed some day. it's bit nasty thing about SD cards
[9:41] <Tachyon`> I doubt the fault is with the pi
[9:41] <Sonny_Jim> Fed up of having to reformat it every 2 days
[9:41] <hermanhermitage> Anyone running riscos?
[9:41] <Tachyon`> yes, me, for the llast 20 years
[9:41] <Cheery> hermanhermitage: I've got an image on card. right here
[9:41] <hermanhermitage> ok RPi
[9:41] <Tachyon`> hrmph
[9:41] <Sonny_Jim> I might try a different distro before I chuck it in the bin
[9:41] <Cheery> hermanhermitage: but I'm not using it. it was looking bit boring .)
[9:41] <Sonny_Jim> Do all the distros use the same kernel?
[9:42] <Tachyon`> no
[9:42] <hermanhermitage> Cheery: i'm just trying the latest release but the mouse cursor and rendering seems all snafu, maybe i have a bad version?
[9:42] <Tachyon`> and you've still not told me what those cards are or wher ethey came from
[9:42] <Tachyon`> if you will not give good information, how can you expect useful answers?
[9:42] <Sonny_Jim> What they are?
[9:42] <Cheery> hermanhermitage: it was snafu for me as well
[9:42] <Sonny_Jim> It's a 16GB micro SD card?
[9:42] <Tachyon`> brand, size etc.
[9:42] <Sonny_Jim> Came from PC world
[9:42] <Sonny_Jim> It's black
[9:42] <hermanhermitage> Cheery: yeah it might not mean much unless you grew up with it. I used to use Arthur on Archimedes
[9:42] <Sonny_Jim> erm
[9:42] <Tachyon`> have you even checked the compatibility list?
[9:42] <linuxstb> Sonny_Jim: The other obvious question is whether you are using a decent power supply and usb power cable.
[9:43] <Tachyon`> I was getting to that, lol
[9:43] <Cheery> hermanhermitage: why does it mean that much?
[9:43] <Sonny_Jim> linuxstb: I'm using a 750mA Blackberry charger
[9:43] <Cheery> hermanhermitage: or why does amiga OS mean anything?
[9:43] <Tachyon`> that could well be the problem
[9:43] <hermanhermitage> Cheery: nostalgia :-)
[9:43] <Tachyon`> Sonny_Jim, have you experienced any minor keyboard issues?
[9:43] <Tachyon`> keys sticking on etc.
[9:43] <Sonny_Jim> Tachyon`: I use it headless
[9:43] <hermanhermitage> Cheery: quick booting in case of Risc OS, simplicity if you just want to do some simple things
[9:44] <Tachyon`> oh that's very helpfulk, lol
[9:44] <Cheery> hermanhermitage: I'm not sure. I return to C64 and DOS games because I simply like them and they are different than many games nowadays
[9:44] <hermanhermitage> Cheery: yes!
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[9:44] <Tachyon`> if I were you I'd link out the polyfuse and use a 1.5-2A supply
[9:44] <Tachyon`> btu that's assuming voltage drop is occuring, which I can't really tell
[9:44] <Tachyon`> as the main symptoms are dodgy keyboards and flakey HDMI output
[9:44] <hermanhermitage> Cheery: i;m tuning bbc emulator but some issues...
[9:45] <hermanhermitage> Cheery: again more for bbc freaks
[9:45] <Tachyon`> neither of which you'll see on a headless device
[9:45] <Sonny_Jim> Tachyon`: I use neither HMDI or keyboards
[9:45] <Tachyon`> yes, as I say, not very helpful, lol
[9:45] <Tachyon`> as we have only the SD issue to go on
[9:45] <Armand> I would say, use a decent adapter that does a solid 5V @1A max.
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[9:45] <Cheery> it's bit odd that there were many games for C64, although it looks harder to program than opengl.
[9:46] <Tachyon`> hermanhermitage, let me guess, you're trying to port beebem and for some reason as yet not obvious getting 3-5fps?
[9:46] <Sonny_Jim> I get over 4.7v between TP1 and Tp2
[9:46] <chithead> the input fuse is 700mA, so a higher rated power supply will only help if you remove it
[9:46] <Cheery> but then creating a drawing context may have been so tricky that less people actually do it.
[9:46] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: not yet, i took beebdroid version of B-Em, but its been butchered. Very accurate emu, but really bad perf
[9:46] <chithead> important is that you get 4.9V under load
[9:46] <Tachyon`> yes, I attempted to port it to pandora
[9:46] <Tachyon`> I failed
[9:46] <Tachyon`> ther was something slowing it down and I was never able to find it
[9:46] <SRCR> perhaps a bit of a dumb question, but what file is meant by 'kernel parameters' (source http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi)
[9:46] <Sonny_Jim> chithead: Surely if the device requires more than 700mA that fuse would blow? So removing it won't do anything except remove protection?
[9:47] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: so i've stripped out all graphics using my own dispmanx stuff, and looking at swapping out the current 6502 for a C version and then back to some jit 6502 i have
[9:47] <Tachyon`> well, if you get it working reaosnably well I'd really appreciate the source, perhaps that'll work on pandora (ARM7)
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[9:47] <chithead> SRCR: the file cmdline.txt
[9:47] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: but you are right i'm getting 1.5MHz out of the box for b-em 6502 emu, yet even in my worst nightmwares i cant imagine less than 70MHz
[9:47] <Tachyon`> I spent far too long banging my head off that particular brick wall
[9:48] <Tachyon`> oddly enough, rpcemu built fine and ran full speed
[9:48] <Tachyon`> which suggests an ARM610 is easier to emulate than a 6502 (which it clearly isn't)
[9:48] <chithead> Sonny_Jim: it will remove protection, and allow the rpi (or the attached usb devices) to draw more than 700mA
[9:48] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: i have b-em, beebdroid, beebem and GP2x version of beebem to thumb thru
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[9:49] <Sonny_Jim> chithead: Yeeees, but if it *was* drawing more than 700mA it would blow?
[9:49] <Tachyon`> I've had 2A through mine with no ill effects
[9:49] <Sonny_Jim> But seeing as that fuse hasn't blown, that indicates to me it isn't drawing more than 700mA
[9:49] <Tachyon`> it seems problems will appear at about 2.5A
[9:49] <chithead> blow is maybe the wrong word. the fuse is self-healing
[9:49] <Tachyon`> so don't use more than a 2A PSU
[9:49] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: well original arch was getting 1.5MHz or so on a 8MHz ARM
[9:49] <Tachyon`> !65Host?
[9:50] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: but it wasnt doing cycle counting nor hardware emulation
[9:50] <Tachyon`> I used to have an A3000
[9:50] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: plus its hand rolled ARM, with the A in top 8 bits and re-using arm flags
[9:50] <Tachyon`> I have an A3020 setup in here right now
[9:50] <Tachyon`> I'm very aware of the older acorn stuff ;p
[9:50] <Tachyon`> model B too, with a bit banged sd interface on the user port
[9:50] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: yeah !65Host
[9:51] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: I never went beyond A305/A310
[9:51] <Tachyon`> there was a better emulator than that at one time,cant' remember the name
[9:51] <Tachyon`> ahh
[9:51] <Tachyon`> we had A440s at college
[9:51] <Tachyon`> but I've never owned a big box one
[9:51] <Tachyon`> just the 3000 and this 3020
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[9:51] <Tachyon`> still happy to see RISC OS on something modern
[9:52] <Tachyon`> I'd be much happier if the video didn't appear to be much slower than the beta though
[9:52] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: mouse is just nor working for me properly
[9:52] <Tachyon`> I suspect it may be because it's running in 16M instead of 64K colours
[9:52] <Tachyon`> works okay here, what problem are you experiencing
[9:52] <Tachyon`> are you tryign to use overscan?
[9:53] <hermanhermitage> I just used the image as it was
[9:53] <Tachyon`> are you on HDMI or Composite
[9:53] <hermanhermitage> Cursor corruption, corruption when rubber banding, mouse not going to edge of screen
[9:53] <hermanhermitage> HDMI
[9:53] <Tachyon`> that's very strange, it works fine here
[9:53] <hermanhermitage> Xor cursor (maybe it was on arch, i dont think so)
[9:53] <Tachyon`> no corruption at all
[9:53] <hermanhermitage> Maybe i got a wrong image
[9:53] <Tachyon`> I used the image that came out like 5 days ago
[9:53] <hermanhermitage> same
[9:53] <Tachyon`> and the old alpha one (which was much fsater)
[9:54] <hermanhermitage> when it boots up, does your complain about cant mount drive?
[9:54] <Tachyon`> and it still doesn't do MODE 7
[9:54] <Tachyon`> no
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[9:54] <Tachyon`> how hard is it to have a decent MODE 7 implementation -.-
[9:54] <hermanhermitage> :-)
[9:54] <hermanhermitage> interlaced?
[9:54] <Tachyon`> MODE 1
[9:55] <Tachyon`> IE: no teletext support at all
[9:55] <Tachyon`> or it might be MODE 6 elk style, I dunno
[9:55] <Tachyon`> some bitmapped mode
[9:55] <Tachyon`> I know there's no 5050 but the Arc didn't have one either and that managed a passable mode 7
[9:56] <hermanhermitage> Well its easy to do, but maybe of limited utility the implementors thought
[9:56] <Tachyon`> yeah, along with floppy support
[9:56] <Tachyon`> so I can't use my USB Floppy
[9:56] <Tachyon`> and read my A3020 disks with it
[9:57] <SRCR> chithead: ok thank you
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[10:02] <MagnusNomad> morning.
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> morning chapseses & chaps...
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> mode 7 .. the horrors :)
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> actually mode 7 wa sfantastic. I did a whole factory automation graphics/mimic panels, etc. in mode 7.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> each station had an animation depicting work going through it, and there was an overall status station too.
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> all written in BCPL..
[10:05] <hermanhermitage> a thing of beauty i'm sure :-)
[10:05] <Sonny_Jim> Great, it's mullered my SD card again
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[10:08] <bircoe> Tachyon`> so don't use more than a 2A PSU <= I'm using a 3A supply without issue...
[10:09] <bircoe> why would a high current supply matter?
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[10:09] <Armand> The device will only take what it draws from the supply, right?
[10:09] <Tachyon`> if you need to ask that question perhaps you should read more, heh
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[10:10] <Armand> Sorry, to clarify.
[10:10] <Tachyon`> if you attempt to draw too much via the micro usb port the magic smoke can esxcape, in a nutshell
[10:10] <Tachyon`> just because you're using 3A supply doesn't mean it's supplying 3A
[10:10] <Tachyon`> in fact it probably isn't
[10:10] <Armand> Exactly..
[10:10] <Armand> That's what I was trying to get to.
[10:11] <Tachyon`> oh yes, sorry, didn't see your reply
[10:11] <bircoe> Your kidding, you mean a 3A supply doesn't constantly supply 3A? well I'll be damned.
[10:11] <Icoin> member:identifier:cheery: Bitcoin yes Devcoin no
[10:11] <Tachyon`> okay, sarcasm after you ask a bloody stupid question
[10:11] <Tachyon`> your appearing on my screen privileges have just been revoked
[10:11] <Armand> Sadly, I tend to ask questions in a way that isn't entirely clear. :P
[10:11] <Icoin> cheery: they dnt need that mutch bandwith more cpu power and ram :)
[10:11] <Tachyon`> you didn't ask, bircoe did
[10:12] <Tachyon`> then got sarcastic
[10:12] <bircoe> you stated that you shouldn't use a supply over 2A, I'm asking why... whats stupid about that?
[10:12] <Tachyon`> then got added to the ignore list a few seconds ago, heh
[10:12] <Armand> Ohh, well.. can't help if some people are blinkered to their own petty sarcasm.
[10:12] <bircoe> can't take a constructive question without calling it stupid...
[10:12] <Sonny_Jim> I still can't work out how using a supply bigger than 700mA can work with a 700mA fuse?
[10:12] <bircoe> good work
[10:13] <Armand> Innit, bircoe ....
[10:13] <Armand> Sheesh
[10:13] * bircoe nods
[10:13] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, if it drew more than 700mA, the polyfuse would blow and the Pi would turn off?
[10:13] <Tachyon`> well, it slowly increases resistance
[10:13] <Tachyon`> between 700 and 1200 as I understand it
[10:13] <bircoe> actully the fuse is a 1A fuse...
[10:13] <Tachyon`> above that I think it loses the structure and can apparently take hours to reform it
[10:14] <bircoe> but if you power other devices from the GPIO header then your going to want a supply rated more than the Pi itself will draw.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> use a separate supply.
[10:14] <bircoe> or if you happen to have a spare 3A supply in your PSU box... then use it.
[10:14] <Armand> I've got a regulator here rated for 2/3A.. Still not wired mine via GPIO yet.
[10:15] <bircoe> I don't believe in that gordonDrogon, floating grounds and all
[10:15] <Tachyon`> but as I said earlier, if you link it ou and just use a larger supply (Ideally 2A or so as problems can start appearing at 2.5 apparently) you should be fine
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, you connect the grounds together.
[10:15] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: Cheery : worked it out, my RISC OS write was bad, it must haev some old version of RISC OS it falls back to if it cant find a 2nd partition
[10:15] <Tachyon`> oh odd
[10:15] <Tachyon`> wasn't aware of that
[10:15] <bircoe> I still don't believe in using 2 seperate supplies when one can do the job.
[10:15] <Tachyon`> maybe it was running entirely from ROM
[10:15] <hermanhermitage> Tachyon`: old faster version ;-)
[10:15] <Tachyon`> well, the ROM image
[10:15] <Tachyon`> they were all ROM based once
[10:16] <Tachyon`> and better for it in my opinion
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[10:16] <Tachyon`> you didn't see many archimedes viruses
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, sure - no reason if it's big enough - with the limit of the 700mA avalable via the Pi.
[10:16] <hermanhermitage> wasnt it called Zarch and not virus on arch?
[10:16] <Tachyon`> lol
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[10:16] <hermanhermitage> :-)
[10:16] <Tachyon`> !Zarch was indeed the original Virus
[10:16] <Tachyon`> and !Lander a demo version included on the RO2 disks
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> half wishing I never gave my old Arc away now, but then again it would only be gathering dust...
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[10:17] <Tachyon`> I never give anything away, in this room right now,t here's an Altair, a ZX81, rubber keyed 48K speccy, A1200, A3020, Spectrum +3, C128D and BBC B, lol
[10:18] <Tachyon`> there's a lot more stored, I'm limied by space in what i can have out
[10:18] <Tachyon`> lol
[10:18] <hermanhermitage> hah i wish
[10:18] <hermanhermitage> i even gave away my Amiga 1000
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, yea - I had to give a lot away when I moved 25 years ago, then another move forced more... )-:
[10:18] <Tachyon`> -.-
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, I'm re-buying though - got a BBC B and Apple II now :)
[10:19] <Tachyon`> I have an SD interface on my BBC B
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> actually, my Beeb kit was stolen from one house I was in in Bristol )-:
[10:19] <hermanhermitage> Vectrex is the one collectors item i want... rest i'll just emulate
[10:19] <Tachyon`> it plugs into the user port
[10:19] <Tachyon`> and uses a custom DFS 0.9 ROM
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[10:19] <Tachyon`> you can make one yourself with four resistors and a 3.3v regulator
[10:19] <Tachyon`> (and an SD socket and user port cable of course)
[10:20] <Tachyon`> it may be bit banged but it still seems to load anything in under a seconds
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> I've seen those... thought about getting one for mine, but not bothered yet.
[10:20] <Tachyon`> if you have actual drives it's better to use a 27256 and a switch and write real DFS to one bank and the SDFS to the other
[10:20] <Tachyon`> yes, the ones being sold are not the same as mien
[10:20] <hermanhermitage> thanks for everyones help getting riscos going, cheers, i'm orf...
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[10:21] <gordonDrogon> trouble is I have a few boxes of 5.25" Beeb floppys - and I don't have a 5.25" drive...
[10:21] <Tachyon`> they're based on the same project but we went in different directions
[10:21] <Tachyon`> mainly, his rom has floppy reading/writing routines added
[10:21] <Tachyon`> mine has BBC Master style ROM management added
[10:21] <Tachyon`> so you can *DUNPLUG etc. things
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> actually I think I might get rid of the BBC B. It was really the Apple I was after.
[10:21] <Tachyon`> it uses 5 spare bytes in the disk index to store rom settings
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> I'll donate it to a hackspace maybe.
[10:22] <Tachyon`> (two sets of 16 bits to store configured rom settings and default rom settings for if someone holds down R, two sets of 4 bits to determine language and file roms)
[10:23] <Tachyon`> only slight caveat is the SDFS ROM has to go in the highest priority socket to work proeprly
[10:23] <Tachyon`> so ROM 15 on mine but without sideways RAM probably something else
[10:24] <Tachyon`> you can still do a lot with a BBC
[10:24] <Tachyon`> you can buy an Apple 1 clone from Briel Computers
[10:24] <Tachyon`> (which is oddly where my Altair came from)
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> wonder if they have apple serial cards..
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> I want a serial card to get all my old Apple II programs off their floppys.
[10:25] <Tachyon`> it would appear not
[10:25] <Tachyon`> http://www.brielcomputers.com/wordpress/?cat=33
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> no. just checked. US based anyway.
[10:26] <Tachyon`> I know, my altair came from there however
[10:26] <Tachyon`> he's not htat slow, seems to know what air mail is
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[10:27] <gordonDrogon> it's more the hassle of dealing with imports,tax,duty, etc.
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> and the money grabbing banks taking their cut too.
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[10:28] <Armand> Don't they always ?
[10:28] <Tachyon`> I've never liked import dity
[10:28] <Tachyon`> it seems like highway robbery to me
[10:28] <Tachyon`> given they're doing nothing for it
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Kim-1.. I setup a lab of Aim-65's once - they were Kim based IIRC.
[10:30] <Tachyon`> I think the original kim-1 had better keys
[10:30] <Xark> gordonDrogon: More cousins (but both 6502). Kim was MOS Aim-64 was Rockwell IIRC.
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[10:31] <Tachyon`> it probably also had labels over the windows on the eprom so they didn't lose bits over time
[10:31] <Tachyon`> unlike the one in the picture
[10:31] <Sonny_Jim> As long as the eprom is in a box, it'll be fine
[10:31] <Xark> I came really close to getting a $200 computer with a hex keypad and 6 7-segment readout. Thankfully I convinced my dad to up to $350 for the OSI-C1P (like a B&W VIC-20). :)
[10:31] <Tachyon`> http://www.brielcomputers.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Mkrev0.jpg
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> Heh...
[10:32] <Tachyon`> not in a box, lol
[10:32] <Sonny_Jim> It takes quite a lot of UV to flip a bit on an EPROM
[10:32] <Sonny_Jim> Although a camera flash will do it
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> I know that some 6502 based boards I made had eproms in them were still going 5 years after I left the project - no sticky labels over the eproms!
[10:32] <Tachyon`> still, it's not a good idea to lwave them like that
[10:32] <Tachyon`> leave
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> sure, but during development I was updating them daily... and we just never got round to it...
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[10:34] * gordonDrogon rolls this out again: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[10:35] <Armand> So glad I wasn't born in the '30s... *trollololololol*
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Armand, there there there. keep taking the tablets as prescribed...
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[10:36] <Armand> I try, but they taste funny. :(
[10:36] <Anppa> erm.. is it out yet? :]
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[10:36] <Anppa> long time, no #raspberrypi
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK14
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> it has to have one of the crappiest microprocessors of all time inside it.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> but it was easy to hand-assemble code for...
[10:37] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, can it run Crysis?
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[10:37] <bircoe> :)
[10:38] <Armand> Hahahaa
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[10:38] <Armand> Yeah, renders 1 frame a year
[10:38] <bircoe> LOL
[10:38] <bircoe> thats a horid refresh rate...
[10:39] <Armand> Play by e-mail ? :P
[10:39] <bircoe> heh
[10:39] <Sonny_Jim> Play by punch card
[10:39] <bircoe> even better!
[10:40] <Armand> Ahhh... yes.. snail-mail. :P
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I used to play chess by snail-mail...
[10:41] <bircoe> Adafruit pooched my order... now I can't do anything till Sandy has passed!!!
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I think a lot of people did way back...
[10:41] <Armand> Sod that.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. todays google doodle is good.
[10:42] <Armand> Reminds me of the episode of Red Dwarf... the ships computers playing by mail. :P
[10:43] <bircoe> it is pretty good gordonDrogon, but I reckon the best one was the Pacman doodle!
[10:43] <Sonny_Jim> "Horsey to king bish 3, oh wait, they can't move like that"
[10:43] <Armand> \o/
[10:43] <bircoe> https://www.google.com/doodles/30th-anniversary-of-pac-man
[10:44] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[11:15] <[7]> hm, is there an easy way to detect if hdmi is plugged?
[11:15] <[7]> and to boot a different system depending on that?
[11:15] <[7]> what would be the best way to dualboot? kexec?
[11:16] <[7]> hm, and I'd need a different gpu split as well... damn
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> [7], good luck...
[11:17] <[7]> so this would have to be done inside that damn proprietary gpu blob
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> [7], maybe easier to have 2 Pis..
[11:17] <Amorsen> Well with a 512MB Pi you can perhaps afford to lose 128MB in all cases
[11:17] <bircoe> They're cheap enough
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[11:17] <[7]> it's a 256MB one
[11:18] <Armand> bircoe, cheap enough that you'll buy me 3 with 8GB SD cards??? ;)
[11:18] <[7]> and buying a second pi just wouldn't be as much fun :P
[11:18] <[7]> Armand: +1
[11:18] <bircoe> mmm probably not, altho i just bought my 3rd and have 3 8gb cards, does that count?
[11:19] <Armand> Only if you send them over... :P
[11:19] <[7]> ...to me
[11:19] <Armand> shush you.. ?_?
[11:19] <[7]> :P
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> [7], just use 2 differnet SD cards then.
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[11:19] <Amorsen> Someone should invent an SD card with a switch on it...
[11:20] <Amorsen> Bank switching, like in the bad old days
[11:20] * [7] still wonders why his 2GB minisd card with an adapter refuses to boot on the pi
[11:20] <[7]> Amadiro: use the good old lock switch? :P
[11:22] <[7]> hm, does openelec require network connectivity during the first boot?
[11:23] <[7]> and how are the chances that it will support usb wifi dongles?
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[11:25] <Amorsen> I meant a switch that turned a 16GB card into two different 8GB cards
[11:26] <Amorsen> Change it with the power on for hilarious effect...
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[11:27] <Armand> -_-
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[11:33] <linuxstb> [7]: I don't think OpenELEC needs a network connection, but have never tried.
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[11:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. another of my customers gone bust. not good...
[11:40] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: The tiny 3 man company i'm at just lost around 30k ?? after a customer went bust :/
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, ouch )-:
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> fortunately in this case I've not actually lost anything here- they're paid up.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> time for another coffee..
[11:42] <Jck_true> It amazes me sometimes to watch what kinda webpages certain companies have
[11:42] <Jck_true> Don't they get how less is sometimes more
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[11:52] <Amorsen> A web page which takes less than 20 seconds to load must obviously be primitive and useless
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[11:54] <Armand> O_o
[11:55] <Armand> That's a crass and pointless assessment.
[11:55] <[7]> ouch
[11:55] <[7]> that openelec installer surely deserves some more sanity checks and better error handling
[11:55] <[7]> http://pastie.org/5142178
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> a website that takes 20 second to load will never be seen by over 80% of the potential viewers as the attention span is 8 seconds - and lowering.
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[12:00] <Armand> A page that takes LESS than 20 seconds to load isn't clogged with flash and shit scripting.
[12:01] <nid0> I suspect a couple of people must have missed out on this thing called sarcasm
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> there is that.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> and there are some really really terrible websites out there.
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> when I was looking for PCB manufacturers in the UK I found this site: http://www.p-m-services.co.uk/ the good thing is that it loads fast. The bad thing ... well you tell me ;-)
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[12:03] <nid0> plenty of worse websites than that, I could point you to a fair few that we host :p
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> the really bad thing is that they never replied to my email )-:
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> nid0, bet I host worse websites than you do ;-)
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> then again, you have the advantage of scale!!!
[12:04] <nid0> challenge accepted!
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> I don't particularly want to trawl through my clients sites - I'll take your word for it...
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> actually, some of my clients do have really nice sites.
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[12:06] <nid0> tbh, half of our really shitty sites are government and nhs ones
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> doesn't surprise me.
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[12:08] <phire> [7], you can edit the config file and change the gpu spit then reboot on the fly
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[12:08] <phire> actually, I'm not 100% sure you can trigger a reboot
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> from a linux program? easy - exec /sbin/reboot
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> (as root)
[12:09] <phire> but does it reload the binary blob?
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> hm. I'm pretty sure it does as I changed my config.txt recently when updating to the new split and just rebooted rather than power cycling and it seemed to work OK.
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[12:10] <phire> That settles that then.
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[12:12] <phire> Ofcourse, there is always the option of editing the gpu code
[12:13] <phire> the gpu split is selected in bootcode.bin which is really small and reasonably easy to understand
[12:14] <phire> At that point hdmi isn't fired up and we have no clue how to do that
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[12:15] <phire> however, it should be possible to fire up the i2c device and read out the monitors EDID information
[12:15] <phire> that stuff is all documented
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> oh is that why they moved the I2C on the Rev 2 boards?
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[12:20] <phire> I don't think so, the bcm2835 has 3 i2c interfaces
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[12:20] <phire> one is permanently connected to the hdmi port, and the videocore (or the code running on the videocore) claims ownership of it
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[12:21] <phire> touching that i2c controller from arm will probably cause bad things to happen.
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[12:22] <Elspuddy> hello :)
[12:24] <[7]> phire: I thought bootcode.bin wasn't even open source?
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[12:27] <phire> [7], it's not open source, but hardly an open book
[12:27] <phire> *hardly a closed book
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[12:28] <phire> said book is written in an alien language, but not impossible to read
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> ah right.
[12:30] <phire> We understand most of it
[12:30] <Elspuddy> any one know why cups on the pi wont print out pdf files ?
[12:31] <phire> Any chance the pi is just really slow and taking a long time?
[12:32] <Elspuddy> well i started prnting this 3 page pdf 5 mins ago
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[12:34] <Amorsen> It's probably worth doing a vmstat, just to see if you're deep in swap
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> run 'top' in a window..
[12:35] <Elspuddy> vmstat 0 0 144 38292 24396 140496 0 0 0 1 18 16 0 0 99 0
[12:35] <Elspuddy> and what am i looking for in top ?
[12:35] <Amorsen> vmstat 1, sorry. But that looks harmless
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> just read the top few lines - it'll tell you.
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[12:37] <gordonDrogon> you'l lsee if it's using swap, or if it's just sitting there at 100% cpu usage.
[12:37] <Elspuddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1320510/
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> if it's not sitting at 100% cpu and not swapping, and still feels slow, then look atthe 'sy' number on the %Cpu(s) line.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> if that's high, it might be waiting on general disk IO.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> I think it's given up.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> looks like it's chosen to ignore your print job ...
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[12:40] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
[12:40] <Elspuddy> looking at the cups admin page i think mu cups install and gone again, >???ABLE CLASS=#page" SULMARY="Administration">
[12:40] <Elspuddy> thats from the admin page
[12:40] <Sonny_Jim> It looks like I've been sold some dodgy cards, which would explain my problems with corruption
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[12:40] <Sonny_Jim> It looks like they are 2GB cards made to report that they are 16GB
[12:40] <Sonny_Jim> As anything up to 2GB they are ok
[12:42] <Amorsen> Those are quite common, unfortunately
[12:42] <Viperfang> At least its easy to verify
[12:42] <plugwash> where did you buy them from?
[12:43] * Elspuddy reboot the pi
[12:43] <Sonny_Jim> Fortunately I haven't left feedback yet
[12:44] <Sonny_Jim> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150925029533
[12:44] <Armand> I got my Sandisk from play.com, thankfully a good'un.
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[12:45] <Elspuddy> went down my local maplins to get my sdcard :)
[12:45] <plugwash> ahh ebay :(
[12:45] <Sonny_Jim> I have a friend who runs this website:
[12:45] <Sonny_Jim> www.shop4usb.co.uk
[12:45] <Sonny_Jim> I'll give him a bell
[12:47] <Wiisel> I just ordered http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/sandisk-class-10-ultra-memory-cards-twin-pack-16-gb-17771646-pdt.html
[12:48] <plugwash> damn currys are expensive
[12:48] <Wiisel> i didnt think ?19 was too bad for 16gb class 10 x2
[12:49] <Wiisel> ?7-8 seems to be the going rate online
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[12:50] <Elspuddy> hmm, /dev/mmcblk0p2 contains a file system with errors cheack forsed, error while reading over extent tree in imode 13105 : corupted extent header
[12:50] <yaMatt> yeah, sounds pretty reasonable, exceptional for currys
[12:51] <Wiisel> wouldnt have bothered at their normal ?39.99
[12:51] <yaMatt> could do it for about ??18 on Amazon
[12:52] <Wiisel> yeah but for ?1 i can reserve and collect :)
[12:52] <nid0> their "normal" prices arent normal at all though, theyre just your typical "have it at a higher price for the minimum time allowable to then lower it back to the real price to make it look a bargain"
[12:52] <Wiisel> I like my orders posted yesterday :D
[12:52] <Elspuddy> should i clear imode ?
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[12:54] <Elspuddy> sorry inode
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[12:58] <tehtrb> heheh
[12:58] <tehtrb> you guys wanna hear a nice fail ?
[12:58] <tehtrb> company rolls out new VPN clients
[12:58] <tehtrb> users start their vpn gui
[12:58] <tehtrb> the windows calc.exe opens
[12:58] <tehtrb> AWESOME
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[12:59] <Armand> \o/
[12:59] <[7]> wtf
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[13:00] <[7]> some kind of debugging remnant?
[13:00] <Armand> Sounds like a prank. :P
[13:00] <tehtrb> software deployment failure :D
[13:00] <tehtrb> big, big multinational corporation :D
[13:01] <Armand> Shhh... I once pranked BA. :P
[13:01] <tehtrb> Bachelor of Administration ? :D
[13:01] <Armand> British Airways.
[13:01] <tehtrb> oic
[13:02] <Armand> Software deployment, I added a little extra.. nothing harmful, just a funny message that was displayed on around 400 terminals. :P
[13:02] <tehtrb> "f*k you" ?
[13:02] <tehtrb> meh
[13:02] <tehtrb> not enough inspiration
[13:02] <tehtrb> tell me, what was it
[13:03] <Armand> Hahhaa
[13:03] <Armand> I've got a picture on an archive CD somewhere.
[13:03] <tehtrb> upload it
[13:03] <Armand> Was a long time ago.
[13:03] <tehtrb> now that u have a raspi server ;)
[13:03] <Armand> I'd have to find it first. -_-
[13:03] <Armand> The CD, that is.
[13:04] <tehtrb> hm
[13:04] <Armand> This was... '98?
[13:04] <tehtrb> i'd be looking forward to a ping should you find it
[13:04] <tehtrb> query ping, i ignore ctcp's
[13:04] <Armand> rgr
[13:05] <Armand> I do need to dig through those old CDs.. I've got no idea what's on most of them
[13:05] <Armand> Some are dated '95~2000
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[13:07] <tehtrb> xD
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[13:08] <tehtrb> i should probably look thru my stuff aswell
[13:08] <tehtrb> hate it when burnt cd's are not labelled
[13:08] * tehtrb wonders what old stuff he may still have flying around
[13:08] <Anppa> Armand: "Kilroy was here"? :D
[13:11] <Armand> ,,,^_^,,,
[13:11] * Anppa now has remote control of up to 16 servos attached to raspi i2c
[13:12] <bagpuss_thecat> \o/
[13:12] <Anppa> PCA9685 is a nice chip
[13:12] <bagpuss_thecat> was just about to ask, what expander?
[13:12] <bagpuss_thecat> but, yah
[13:13] <Anppa> intended as a led dimmer, but a sort of general purpose pwm thingy
[13:13] * bagpuss_thecat nods
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[13:25] <Rudeviper> has anyone succeded in getting flash installed yet?
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[13:31] <Viperfang> Rudeviper: I had him set as my wallpaper
[13:31] <chithead> I was able to compile gnash and lightspark, but no browser which supports plugins yet :p
[13:32] <Rudeviper> try chrome
[13:32] <chithead> chrome is an issue because you need to patch the v8 build system to work with armv6-hardfp
[13:33] <Rudeviper> ohhhhhh********insert proper multiple swear words*********
[13:34] <Rudeviper> without browser support it's uselss
[13:35] <Sonny_Jim> Anppa: Cool!
[13:35] <Anppa> will do a wifi-rc-raspi-airplane
[13:35] <Anppa> hopefully wifi won't run out of range
[13:35] <Rudeviper> lol
[13:35] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[13:36] <Sonny_Jim> I'd be more worried about the amount of batteries needed for the Pi
[13:36] <Anppa> but not for the electric motor providing propulsion?
[13:36] <Sonny_Jim> But I suppose you only need ~1Hour worth of running time
[13:36] <Sonny_Jim> I've been messing around with battery powered Pi
[13:37] <Sonny_Jim> Also latency might be interesting
[13:37] <Anppa> tried it already with a joystick attacked to a laptop dunno how it feels in flight
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[13:38] <Sonny_Jim> Connected via wifi or ethernet?
[13:38] <Sonny_Jim> Because once those packets start to drop.....
[13:39] <knoppies> Anppa, I don't know if WiFi is the best option, but sounds interesting. Im keen to hear more. Anppa I know someone who has plans to have a RPi as the brains on a UAV quadrocopter that he can control over 3G. Although the RPi will make most of the flight decisions for him (much like a drone) he just tells it where to go.
[13:39] <knoppies> Anppa, you might want to have a look at this: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1356
[13:40] <knoppies> There is a 6 channel one for $20 too.
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[13:41] <Anppa> well, the servos are already taken care of
[13:41] <knoppies> oh, nice.
[13:41] <knoppies> you using GPIO?
[13:41] <Anppa> PCA9685 on i2c
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[13:43] <knoppies> you might want to try makeshift cantennas for extra range.
[13:43] <knoppies> Although someone will have to keep the cantenna pointed at your RC plane.'
[13:43] <Anppa> a neckstrap for the laptop :D
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[13:44] <Anppa> cantenna would need an external wifi dongle
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[13:45] <Anppa> it's going to be a relatively slow flying park flier, no need for miles and miles of range
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[13:45] <Anppa> have to do range tests to see how it goes
[13:45] <Armand> I've been talking with my brother, about a Pi equipped RC helecopter.
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[13:46] <Armand> We've cut the Pi's involvement to cam duties though, not the RC portion.
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[13:47] <knoppies> Armand, Pitty I missed what you said. I also plan on using a Pi as a feed for turning a webcam (the C920) into an IP Cam.
[13:47] <amki> Armand: what are you using to steer the RC helicopter?
[13:47] * knoppies is going to find the logs for this channel.
[13:48] <Anppa> now planning to power the pi + servos on 1xAA lithium through max1708 and a separate bigger battery for the motor
[13:48] <Armand> amki, standard RF RC controls.
[13:49] <amki> I'm asking because I wanted to build a quadrocopter once but getting the parts is quite difficult in europe :|
[13:49] <Armand> quad- as in?
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[13:50] <amki> Armand: http://greenlichen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/quadrocopter.jpg
[13:50] <Armand> 4 rotors ?
[13:50] <amki> exactly
[13:50] <Armand> Ahh
[13:50] <Anppa> we have a couple of http://ardrone2.parrot.com/ at work
[13:50] <amki> hmm... that's a bit too closed for me I guess
[13:51] <Armand> Our idea is a ordinary RC helicopter.
[13:51] <amki> well how do you plan to transmit the webcam data?
[13:51] <Armand> Simply equipped with a 3G connected Pi.
[13:51] <Anppa> sort-of-nice as a toy, maybe the closedness, but 10 minutes of flight time is pretty limiting
[13:51] <Armand> Also, it will record to SD.. so, signal drop-out isn't a massive concern.
[13:52] <Armand> *for the 3G, that is.
[13:52] <amki> Anppa: if it was an open platform you could just include a lipo and motors that would be more pleasing to you ;)
[13:53] <amki> Armand: without live-streaming option?
[13:54] <Armand> Using the 3G to live stream..
[13:54] <Armand> But, also recording.
[13:56] <amki> how much power will the 3G connection cost?
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[13:56] <Armand> No idea.. I can't find my dongle to test. >_<
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[13:57] <amki> I guess you want to use a Huawei E220 or similar device?
[13:58] <Armand> Not sure, as I say.. I can't find the one I have.
[13:58] <Armand> I suppose I'd just get a new one anyway.
[14:00] <amki> at least huawei doesn't seem to bother giving data on energy consumption
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[14:01] <Milos> Hello
[14:01] <Milos> you are officially talking to a 3G power user
[14:01] <Milos> what are the questions
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[14:02] <Anppa> 1) can we talk to you non-officially? :D
[14:02] <Milos> haha
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[14:03] <Milos> in terms of 3G dongles and such, http://www.wut.co.nz/images/lm2596s.jpg
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[14:03] <Milos> got that think plugged in, Logitech C920 webcam + GPS in the second USB port
[14:04] <amki> how much energy does a regular 3g device consume?
[14:04] <Milos> from 250mA to 500mA to more
[14:04] <Anppa> looks like you can supply +5v to P1 pins?
[14:04] <Milos> we have the same idea in mind anyway so, that's why you're doing the sames tuff to me
[14:04] <Milos> I'm making a quadcopter as well
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[14:04] <Milos> I've just spent the last 4 or 5 months finding a stable voltage regulator
[14:05] <Milos> because 3G kept cutting off, over and over due to a drop on voltage when it starts to consume a lot of current
[14:05] <Milos> but it's good now thanks to a trusty LM2596
[14:05] <Milos> set tot 5.3V
[14:05] <Milos> s/tot/to/
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[14:06] <Armand> Milos, LM2596S ?
[14:06] <Milos> yah
[14:06] <Milos> best purchase ever
[14:06] <Armand> Awesome.. I've bought 2.
[14:06] <Milos> I've tried like
[14:06] <Milos> 500,00000000,0000000000000000 other regulators
[14:07] <Milos> spent over $100USD on all sorts of regulators
[14:07] <Armand> O_O
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> sheesh
[14:07] <Milos> yes
[14:07] <bagpuss_thecat> o_O
[14:07] <Armand> Glad I got the right ones first time then. :P
[14:07] <IT_Sean> O_o
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> How many regulators did you buy?
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> Seriously
[14:07] <Milos> like, 30
[14:07] <Sonny_Jim> Coz all the ones I ever see are like 50c?
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[14:07] <Armand> They aren't even $5 each ?
[14:08] <Armand> sorry, for a built PCB regulator..
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> oh
[14:08] <Milos> I didn't really care how much they cost, I was simply getting pissed that they weren't doing the job
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[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> This is for a Pi right?
[14:08] <Armand> Yeah
[14:08] <Milos> yes
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[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> So pretty much any 5V/2A regulator will do, with a couple of smoothing caps?
[14:08] <Milos> that along with the whole "rev1 didn't let you consume >100mA without brinding stuff on the PCB"
[14:08] <Armand> See, I'm going to run mine on solar.. I'm stepping down from 12v
[14:08] <Milos> Sonny_Jim, first,
[14:08] <Milos> you need to buy a 3G dongle
[14:08] <Milos> and find out how sensitive it is
[14:08] <Sonny_Jim> Oh ok, sorry, didn't read the whole lot
[14:09] <Milos> then you can talk about what "can do" :P
[14:09] <Sonny_Jim> Yes, the +5V USB on the Pi is very noisy
[14:09] <bagpuss_thecat> linear regulators will run hot, especially if you're dumping 7v across them at 700mA or more
[14:09] <Sonny_Jim> I see this with my DVB-T dongle
[14:09] <Armand> I won't be using USB. :)
[14:09] <Milos> Sonny_Jim, there you go
[14:09] <Milos> Armand, :)
[14:09] <Armand> I'm going for lowest draw possible.
[14:10] <bagpuss_thecat> I went for LM7805 pin compatibility, and bought a few Recom R-78B5.0-1.5 regulators
[14:10] <bagpuss_thecat> Armand: so what draw are you going to achieve?
[14:10] <Armand> Don't know yet.
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[14:11] <Armand> I can't do the maths for that. :P
[14:11] <Milos> LM7805 is crap for going down from 12V just by the way.
[14:11] <bagpuss_thecat> I measured, iirc, 576mA at idle
[14:11] <Milos> I wouldn't use LM7805 unless you're doing some tiny regulations
[14:11] <Milos> because it just consumes it as heat and then you might need a heatsink
[14:11] <Milos> and it's simply a waste
[14:11] <bagpuss_thecat> Milos: yes, any linear regulator is crap
[14:11] <bagpuss_thecat> 12v to 5v at 600mA is like 1.7W
[14:11] <Milos> like, you'd be silly to use it in most cases
[14:11] <Armand> Milos, is the LM2596 better for a 12v source?
[14:11] <bagpuss_thecat> or thereabouts
[14:11] <Milos> Armand, hugely
[14:11] <Armand> Awesome. :D
[14:11] <Milos> Armand, it's 80% efficient
[14:11] <bagpuss_thecat> yes
[14:11] <Milos> which is respectable
[14:12] <Milos> (80% efficient at 12V to 5V)
[14:12] <Milos> but more efficient at different voltages
[14:12] <Armand> at 3.3v ?
[14:12] <Milos> you have to read the spec to find out more
[14:12] <bagpuss_thecat> switching regulators are generally better in most cases, except where you have RF noise to consider
[14:12] <Milos> look up LM3596 on google and you'll find graphs on the TI site Armand
[14:12] <Milos> I meant 2596s
[14:12] <Armand> Okies.
[14:12] <Milos> my typing is atrocious today
[14:12] <Armand> It's ok, so is my reading.
[14:13] <Anppa> I'll be doing step-up, will try out max1708
[14:14] <bagpuss_thecat> ow, 4.2 watts of power dissipated. where did I get 1.7W from?!
[14:14] <Milos> bagpuss_thecat, I thought your value looked low but I didn't bother checking
[14:15] <Elspuddy> bah, think i got to do a reinstall again :/
[14:15] <Milos> Elspuddy, you should take regular snapshots of your SD card
[14:15] <bagpuss_thecat> Milos: :-)
[14:15] <Armand> Milos, you mean the WEBENCH thing on the site ?
[14:16] <Milos> Armand, let me refresh my memory
[14:16] <Milos> oen sec
[14:16] <Armand> http://www.ti.com/product/lm2596#relprod
[14:16] <Milos> no the datasheet
[14:16] <Milos> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2596.pdf
[14:16] <Milos> Armand, page 5
[14:16] <Milos> third graph
[14:17] <Armand> Ahh.. I told you my reading was awful. Couldn't see it for looking. :P
[14:17] <Milos> 3.3V is looking crap
[14:17] <Milos> higher the output the better
[14:17] <Elspuddy> Milos : how do i do this ?
[14:17] <Milos> Elspuddy, which OS do you use?
[14:17] <Elspuddy> also i now lost my sd card reader ..
[14:17] <Milos> windows or linux?
[14:17] <Elspuddy> windows, but im reinstalling my piu
[14:17] <Elspuddy> pi
[14:18] <Milos> Elspuddy, ok, so you download win32diskimager
[14:18] <Milos> before you stuff up your pi, you should use the 'read' function of the software and write the image to your computer
[14:18] <Milos> that way, when it stuffs up, you can use the 'write' function to write it back to the SD card
[14:18] <Milos> get me?
[14:19] <Milos> and when I mean stuff up your pi I meant stuff up your SD card
[14:19] <Elspuddy> 100%
[14:19] <Milos> 100% what
[14:19] <Elspuddy> on on getting you :)
[14:19] <Milos> oh good
[14:19] <Armand> Milos, that's measured at 3A draw? So.. is that going to be the same at a lower draw <500mA ?
[14:20] <Milos> Armand, that's a good point actually.
[14:20] <Milos> I can't say for sure. I'm assuming it's going to be similar.
[14:20] <amki> I would use something like rsync for bigger sd cards instead of saving a full image
[14:20] <Milos> amki, of course you can do cooler things as complexity increases.
[14:20] <Milos> My goal is to kiss, but if Elspuddy wants to learn rsync, go for it.
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[14:21] <Armand> I really should go wire up my solar kit...
[14:21] <amki> rsync is one (quite big) manpage away to learn and is quite useful in many other applications (espacially since there are windows builds)
[14:21] <Milos> :P
[14:22] <Elspuddy> rsync sound compuclated
[14:22] <Milos> that typo made me laugh
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[14:25] <nid0> rsync is perfectly easy, but whats wrong with dding images?
[14:25] <Elspuddy> <-- dislexic :)
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[14:25] <amki> nid0: if you have a big sd card you will get a big image
[14:25] <Milos> I think amki was just suggesting an alternative that doesn't use as much disk space.
[14:26] <Milos> BUT
[14:26] <nid0> amki: this is why god gave us gzip
[14:26] <Milos> In satying that, you can compress it and all the zeros will disappear.
[14:26] <nid0> empty space on card = no space taken up in gzipped image
[14:26] <Milos> However it does take time to compress.
[14:26] <Elspuddy> whats a good way of whiping a sd card ?
[14:26] <amki> first making a huge image just to compress it is thinking around the corner imho
[14:26] <Milos> Elspuddy, what kind of wiping are you after
[14:27] <Milos> if you want to completely format it on Windows you have to go into Disk Management and get rid of the partitions
[14:27] <Milos> if you can't be bothered doing that you can use the official SD card formatter
[14:27] <Hodapp> rsync also can compress while sending...
[14:27] <amki> I would use something easy as rsync -avz [source] [target] and go on from there
[14:27] <Hodapp> as in the -z option amki just gave
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[14:27] <Milos> rsync doesn't need to compress while sending.
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[14:27] <Milos> you're talking about a completely different thing now
[14:28] <Elspuddy> well i need to wipe the partion off this sd card so i can re use it in windows
[14:28] <Milos> with rsync you don't get zeros taking up space because it's on the filesystem level
[14:28] <amki> if you go on from rsync -avz you don't need to understand all switches rsync supports, only those you might want to use
[14:28] <Milos> with dd you do, because it's just writing the entire disk to a file
[14:28] <Milos> which was the original comment
[14:29] <Milos> Elspuddy, get the official SD card formatter or if you know how to use Disk Management then delete the partition on there
[14:30] <knoppies> Milos, your switch and regulator are looking sexy on the side of that battery.
[14:30] <knoppies> More so the regulator than the switch.
[14:30] <Milos> knoppies, nice to see you're still up
[14:30] <Milos> I thought you went to bed
[14:31] <knoppies> Milos, I should have gone to bed 4 hours ago, but Ive been coding something in python.
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[14:31] <knoppies> Which is why I've been away from IRC.
[14:31] <Milos> the beauty of python
[14:31] <knoppies> Im actually learning quite a lot and its much easier than I anticipated.
[14:31] * knoppies is a python nooooob
[14:31] <Milos> well that is their goal
[14:31] <Milos> to make programming simple and clear
[14:32] <knoppies> Probably why so many suggest it as a good language to start (and why we have the Pi in the first place)
[14:32] <Milos> :D
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[14:32] <Armand> w00t! That's my network cable sorted.
[14:32] <Milos> w00t
[14:32] <Milos> what was wrong with it
[14:33] <Armand> I don't have any cat5 long enough to go into the shed.
[14:33] <Armand> My dad is going to buy a 305M roll, ends and a crimptool.
[14:33] <Armand> Solved. \o/
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> cat won't work that long
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[14:34] * Armand sighs
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> I think 100m was the tops for 10mbps
[14:34] <ReggieUK> 100m isn't it?
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Aye
[14:34] <Armand> It's a roll.. I'm not using all of it.
[14:34] <Elspuddy> make as needed
[14:34] <Armand> I need to go about 16M.
[14:34] <IT_Sean> Send me the leftovers.
[14:34] <Armand> Psst
[14:34] <Amorsen> Just because you have a 305M roll doesn't mean you have to use it all in one go...
[14:34] <Armand> Sure.. *rolls eyes*
[14:34] <ReggieUK> why are you buying 305m if you only need 16?
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[14:34] <ReggieUK> you can buy 20m cables
[14:35] <Armand> My dad wants to run a cable upstairs too.
[14:35] <Armand> lol
[14:35] <Armand> It's only 30M needed.
[14:35] <ReggieUK> 12 floors?
[14:35] * Milos giggles
[14:35] <Armand> No, 2.
[14:35] <knoppies> ReggieUK, why you such a troll?
[14:35] <Armand> My dad... Captain Overkill. ^_^
[14:35] <Milos> leave the poor guy alone if he wants half a kilometer of stuff let him use it
[14:35] <IT_Sean> :o
[14:35] <Armand> Ohh.. I'll cut shorts for connecting my Pi Rack.
[14:36] <IT_Sean> There is something to be said for having miles of something. :p
[14:36] <Amorsen> Rolls are fairly cheap
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> use NFC.
[14:36] <knoppies> IT_Sean, never being able to find it when you need it.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> and two compressed air tubes to shuttle a mobile back and forth
[14:36] <Amorsen> But life is too short to debug cables made by me
[14:36] <Armand> I will always need more..
[14:37] <Armand> Same with twin-core/twin & earth.
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> knoppies: if you buy large enough reels, they are easy to ring
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> find
[14:37] <ReggieUK> something to be said for ebay
[14:37] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30M-METER-RJ45-ETHERNET-CABLE-CAT5e-LAN-NETWORK-WIRE-INTERNET-LEAD-broaddband-/150935111917?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D350332772356%26ps%3D54
[14:37] * dreamreal wishes the rpi had analog inputs onboard
[14:37] <dreamreal> connecting an LDR to an MCP3002 is driving me crazy. :(
[14:37] <bagpuss_thecat> Cat5 cores also make useful wires for breadboarding and circuit making with
[14:37] <Armand> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-ROLL-OF-305M-CAT5E-ETHERNET-NETWORK-CABLE-UK-/260727061942?pt=UK_Computing_NetworkingCables_RL&hash=item3cb48b3db6
[14:38] <swecide> The last time I bought an ethernet cable from ebay I had to redo one of the ends, fucking newbies
[14:38] <swecide> oops sorry.. language..
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> cheap cat may be copper coated
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> cat
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> cat5
[14:38] * Armand goes in hunt of a copper-coated cat.. ?_?
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[14:40] <dreamreal> ... and amazing things happen when you wire properly.
[14:40] * dreamreal bonks head.
[14:40] <IT_Sean> I always liked making cables.
[14:40] <Amorsen> I don't mind making them as long as I don't have to use them afterwards
[14:41] <IT_Sean> It's rather dull ,mindless work, but, nobody bothers you when you are doing it :p
[14:41] * bagpuss_thecat hates making them
[14:41] <Amorsen> Well unless I can borrow a Cat5e tester, but most of the time I can't
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[14:41] <bagpuss_thecat> but, in the goal of making my house wired properly, I have my house all patch panelled up
[14:41] <Armand> I normally use a multimeter..
[14:41] <bagpuss_thecat> and at work the technicians make cables :-)
[14:42] <Armand> Not made many cables though.. would be a PITA for batch-crimping.
[14:42] <Sonny_Jim> IT_Sean: As long as you have a decent ratchet crimper, making CAT5 cables is quite cathartic, like knitting
[14:42] <IT_Sean> YES!
[14:42] <Amorsen> Armand, a multimeter is fine if you're doing 100Mbps cable for the Pi
[14:42] <Sonny_Jim> Just sit behind the racks, put the radio on
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[14:43] <Armand> Amorsen, yup
[14:44] <Sonny_Jim> Is there a line-in on the soundcard on the Pi?
[14:45] <Amorsen> I work for a VoIP phone company, aka as "we'll expose every problem in your network"
[14:45] <Elspuddy> Sonny_Jim: not as far as i know
[14:45] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose a quick look with alsamixer would say
[14:45] <Amorsen> s/as //
[14:45] <Sonny_Jim> No, it doesn't
[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> http://pocsag1200.dyndns.org/153-353.log
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[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> Raspberry Pi decoding pager messages with a ??12 DVB-T tuner ^^
[14:46] <Amorsen> The amount of crap ethernet wiring out there is amazing
[14:46] <zgreg> sigh... has AMD gone crazy?
[14:46] <chris_99> Sonny_Jim, what program did you use for that
[14:47] <DeliriumTremens> Sonny_Jim: I think you're going to want a usb sound board
[14:47] <zgreg> they have these strange plans to make ARM-based opteron server processors
[14:47] <Sonny_Jim> chris_99: It's rtl_fm (from rtl_sdr) piped into multimonNG
[14:47] <dreamreal> or an AtoD converter like the mcp3002
[14:47] <Sonny_Jim> I want to put the full blown gnuradio setup on there but I don't have enough space, need to get another card
[14:47] <Amorsen> zgreg, is it all that strange?
[14:48] <zgreg> Amorsen: yes, because they already have bobcat
[14:48] <bagpuss_thecat> Sonny_Jim: I wish to subscribe to your newsletter :-)
[14:48] <zgreg> and intel has the atom
[14:48] <knoppies> Whoever wired the patch panels in my house had no idea what they were doing. I had to open them all up and rewire the plugs (at least the cables went to the correct rooms)
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> bagpuss_thecat: Hey, at least I'm using my Pi for something other than media playing/MAME
[14:49] <zgreg> ARM doesn't offer any advantage in servers
[14:49] <IT_Sean> I used to work with someone that would NEVER use the standard pinout foe ethernet.
[14:49] <IT_Sean> *for
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> T568-B?
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> What an ar*e
[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> Kick him in the shins
[14:49] <IT_Sean> He'd put the wires in whatever order he wanted, and then shout at you over the radio to do it the same way at the other end.
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[14:49] <Sonny_Jim> Oh god, one of those
[14:49] <IT_Sean> Yeah.
[14:50] <Sonny_Jim> It doesn't matter?
[14:50] <bagpuss_thecat> Sonny_Jim: never a wiser word said :-)
[14:50] <Sonny_Jim> (sorry)
[14:50] <knoppies> Sonny_Jim, its wonderful when you are the only one who can fix the cable when something goes wrong with it.
[14:51] <knoppies> Im off to bed.
[14:51] <knoppies> Good night gentlemen.
[14:51] <IT_Sean> g'nite
[14:51] <Amorsen> zgreg, if they provide more separate boxes in the same space, I'll buy them...
[14:51] <bagpuss_thecat> I'm likely to be getting another R-Pi soon and will be hooking it up to my 70cm radio gear
[14:51] <Armand> I need to source 3 more..
[14:51] <Armand> -_-
[14:51] <Sonny_Jim> bagpuss_thecat: I don't know wavelengths in cm, what freqs is that?
[14:51] <zgreg> if you need many machines in little space there are blades already
[14:52] <knoppies> Sonny_Jim, according to wikipedia its around: 430?450 MHz
[14:52] <Sonny_Jim> Well, I'm just glad I figured out my corruption problem and I feel a little stupid as people said it was probably the card
[14:52] <Sonny_Jim> Oh ok, a ??12 DVB-T dongle will receive that
[14:52] <bagpuss_thecat> ~430MHz
[14:52] <Sonny_Jim> It does 30MHz up to around 1700MHz
[14:52] <bagpuss_thecat> yah, want to fiddle with SDR stuff too
[14:52] <chris_99> what dongle did you use Sonny_Jim
[14:52] <zgreg> well, I don't get the ARM-for-server hype -- there are very low-power mini servers based on atom on the market, but they aren't all that popular
[14:53] <Holden> bagpuss_thecat, hooking it up how?
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[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> I've got both a FC00012 based one and an E4000 one
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> the E4000 one is much, much better
[14:53] <bagpuss_thecat> Holden: well, probably 2m actually, as an APRS node
[14:53] <Sonny_Jim> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[14:53] <Armand> zgreg, I'm using my Pi as a webserver, for my project blog/forum.
[14:54] <Sonny_Jim> The good news is that rtl_sdr compiles and runs fine
[14:54] <Holden> bagpuss_thecat, I recently tried to record SW signals from my radio using a rpi and a usb sound card, but had pops/clicks problems...
[14:54] <chris_99> cheers Sonny_Jim what brand is the E4000 one you've got?
[14:54] <Sonny_Jim> It's a Videomate Compro U620F
[14:54] <Sonny_Jim> There's a list on the RTLSDR wiki
[14:55] <chris_99> cool, cheers, i fancy getting one now
[14:55] <Sonny_Jim> You can also use the Pi to receive and pipe the signal to a laptop for processing
[14:55] <Amorsen> zgreg, atom is awfully underpowered though, ARM from AMD is likely to be 8 core at elast
[14:55] <Amorsen> least
[14:55] <Sonny_Jim> Although it really needs to be ethernet connected, tried wireless but didn't really have the bandwidth to do it nicely
[14:56] <zgreg> Amorsen: ARM is also awfully underpowered, and if they go for many-core and high clock frequencies, it will certainly not be power efficient
[14:56] <Armand> Do AMD *do* power efficient ?
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[14:57] <zgreg> Armand: that's what they're promoting...
[14:57] <IT_Sean> Armand, No.
[14:57] <IT_Sean> :p
[14:58] <Armand> Well... If they manage to get anything to market, I'll be slightly impressed.
[14:58] <zgreg> AMD is pretty much fucked, really. they laid off a notable amount of engineers
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[14:58] <Armand> lulz
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[14:58] <zgreg> ...and have no notable current product
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[14:59] <Amorsen> zgreg, phones are already quad-core and reasonable speed...
[15:00] <Sonny_Jim> For anyone else running their Pi headless, the RetroPie GPIO adapter team has updated their code so the button can be used to shutdown the Pi
[15:00] <Sonny_Jim> Handy when I lose connectivity and don't want to corrupt the filesystem
[15:01] <bagpuss_thecat> oh, cunning
[15:01] <bagpuss_thecat> lols, I use a GPIO to remotely shut down a Bifferboard. I should have done the same for my Pi
[15:01] <Armand> Sonny_Jim, link?
[15:01] <zgreg> Amorsen: depends on what you look at. compared to atom current ARM cores are still dog-slow.
[15:01] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/petrockblog/SNESDev-RPi
[15:01] <Sonny_Jim> That's the code
[15:02] <DeliriumTremens> 'the button'
[15:02] <passcod> does corruption happen at all frequently though? I've never experienced it on the pi despite hard resetting quite a lot?
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[15:02] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspihub.com/go/eb049744e0511961056d8d4e768b5a6255b3cf93aadec133c2e6a8586bedea78
[15:02] <Sonny_Jim> That's the adapter
[15:03] <DeliriumTremens> Sonny_Jim: my problem is having /cords/ to controllers for gaming
[15:03] <DeliriumTremens> how archaic
[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> Get some NES IR controllers?
[15:04] <DeliriumTremens> I want to try out the bluetooth 8bitty controllers
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[15:04] <Armand> Sonny_Jim, I certainly won't go through all that.. just to have a shutdown button. :P
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[15:04] <priyesh> how do i stop uname from being called when I ssh in?
[15:05] <DeliriumTremens> priyesh: is it in /etc/motd?
[15:05] <priyesh> nope
[15:05] <priyesh> /etc/motd is empty
[15:05] <priyesh> (i'm on the debian image)
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> Armand: Well, I wanted some buffers/protection on the Pi and it seemed a quick way of doing it
[15:05] <Armand> Sounds reasonable.
[15:06] <DeliriumTremens> priyesh: dunno then, i'm using raspbmc that's where mine was
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[15:07] <bagpuss_thecat> /etc/init.d/motd updates /var/run/motd.dynamic, which is probably included in your login
[15:08] <bagpuss_thecat> rm /var/run/motd.dynamic, and your uname output will go away. just tried it on raspbian and it worked
[15:08] <bagpuss_thecat> tweak /etc/init.d/motd to suit to make it permanent
[15:11] <priyesh> bingo
[15:11] <priyesh> i think that's it
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[15:12] <priyesh> yet
[15:12] <priyesh> tes
[15:12] <priyesh> * yes
[15:12] <priyesh> got it
[15:12] <priyesh> "uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd.dynamic" was in /etc/init.d/motd
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[15:14] <DeliriumTremens> weird, all kinds of stuff in my /etc/init.d/motd
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[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> Cool, well my poweroff button works
[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> Just need to whip up an init.d script to load it on boot
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[15:27] <Sonny_Jim> Pfft, the buyer I got my dodgy SD cards from has given me a refund, but wants me to return them
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[15:31] <ReggieUK> tell him to come and collect them
[15:31] <ReggieUK> unless he wants to refund postage for his shonky gear
[15:31] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[15:32] <ReggieUK> or tell him if he doesn't pay return postage you'll open a complaint
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
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[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> I'll just neg him anyway
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> He's sold 811 of them
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> So he *must* know they are shonky
[15:33] <muxe> does anybody have any info on h264 ENcoding on the raspberry. All I found was that it now should be possible if anybody implemented it in some kind of software (ffmpeg, ...). did anybody do this yet? :)
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> I just feel a bit of a prat as plenty of people in here told me it was probably the card
[15:34] <Sonny_Jim> "No no no" I said, "I've filled it with dd and it was fine"
[15:34] * Sonny_Jim facepalms
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[15:35] <Amorsen> Heh
[15:35] <Armand> Sonny_Jim, when I first got mine.. I just dumped 8GB of files onto it and copied to another PC.
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[15:35] <Armand> Took ages. :P
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[15:36] <Amorsen> It's a pain in the rear to test, and if you don't test it can take weeks or months before you hit the problem
[15:36] <Sonny_Jim> This is the thing, I think they are 2GB cards modified to report back as 16GB
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[15:36] <Sonny_Jim> So with the stock image, it worked fine
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[15:37] <Armand> Precisely.. I did the same with my CF card.
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> Only when you tried expanding it did they go plop
[15:37] <Amorsen> Yep, those are very common
[15:37] <Amorsen> And they handle zero writes
[15:37] <Sonny_Jim> Still, got 2 x 2GB cards for nowt
[15:37] <Amorsen> Those are just simulated
[15:38] <Amorsen> Sonny_Jim, which brand are they supposed to be?
[15:38] <Armand> disk[Total: 7.4GB, 19.8% free]
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[15:39] <Sonny_Jim> Nothing written on them
[15:39] <Sonny_Jim> But then again, I've got a 'good' 4GB card that is unbranded
[15:40] <Amorsen> Sandisk cards are often fakes, apparently
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[15:40] <Sonny_Jim> The worst part is that I have a good friend who runs a shop devoted to selling USB bits and bobs
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[15:40] <Sonny_Jim> And he sells 16GB for pretty much the same price I paid
[15:40] <Amorsen> Ouch
[15:40] <Sonny_Jim> So it was silly getting them from ebay, but meh, I saw next day delivery
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[15:41] <Sonny_Jim> oh my
[15:42] <Sonny_Jim> The fact I can lick my finger and RUB OFF THE MARKINGS should be a big indication of they shonkery
[15:42] <IT_Sean> Heh
[15:42] <IT_Sean> wow.
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[15:44] <Amorsen> I bought a 16GB Sandisk off Ebay, so far it seems genuine.
[15:44] <Sonny_Jim> One thing I did notice was that although I could create an ext4 filesystem, it wouldn't mount directly after creation
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[15:45] <Sonny_Jim> although using dd to transfer the image to the card would work
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[15:47] <Amorsen> Apparently if you use FAT, some of the cards will manipulate the FAT table to look full when they run out of capacity
[15:47] <Amorsen> But they probably don't support ext4
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[15:50] <Anppa> all that trouble to save a bit of flash...
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[16:04] <[SLB]> hrm git screwed up?
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[16:04] <[SLB]> working now, buh
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[16:08] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, I'm trying to write an init script for an app that doesn't daemonise
[16:09] <Sonny_Jim> Can anyone point me to an init script that might be suitable as a base for modifying? The ones I am looking at tend to be for apps that daemonise
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[16:22] <bagpuss_thecat> Sonny_Jim: most of my python scripts don't daemonise, so I use start-stop-daemon as I'm writing for Debian and derivatives
[16:22] <bagpuss_thecat> this works for me... https://github.com/kylegordon/mqtt-gpio-trigger/blob/master/mqtt-gpio-trigger.init
[16:22] <Sonny_Jim> I've just noticed /etc/init.d/skeleton
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[16:22] <Sonny_Jim> Seems to be what I'm after
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[16:23] <bagpuss_thecat> so that's where it came from :-)
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[16:31] <mrlespaulman> Anyone here ever get DGEN to run correctly?
[16:31] <mrlespaulman> The Sega Genesis/Megadrive emulator?
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[16:32] <steve_rox> i run it
[16:32] <steve_rox> define correctly
[16:32] <mrlespaulman> Well, I can successfully run it once
[16:32] <mrlespaulman> It wont run again until I reboot
[16:32] <mrlespaulman> All I get is a black screen
[16:33] <mrlespaulman> But I can escape out of it
[16:33] <steve_rox> what vid connector you using
[16:33] <mrlespaulman> hdmi
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> Under X or FB?
[16:33] <mrlespaulman> Using it from command line
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> so FB?
[16:33] <mrlespaulman> in Raspbian
[16:33] <steve_rox> i have issues when using composite myself
[16:33] <mrlespaulman> Not sure what FB means
[16:33] <steve_rox> this will be fun to figure out
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> Sorry, I mean do you have xorg running or using the Framebuffer device?
[16:33] <steve_rox> did you disable the open gl accellration?
[16:34] <mrlespaulman> Sonny_Jim: I have no idea.
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[16:34] <mrlespaulman> steve_rox yes
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> Can you wiggle the mouse?
[16:34] <steve_rox> i shall get you a typical command line i use to start it
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> If not, it's framebuffer
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried under xorg?
[16:34] <mrlespaulman> Well, I'm not using a mouse
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> eg startx
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[16:35] <mrlespaulman> Can X be navigated with the keyboard?
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> You might want to install x11vnc
[16:36] <steve_rox> heres the cmd
[16:36] <steve_rox> ..
[16:36] <steve_rox> dgen Roms/Sonic.BIN -g 0 -G 320x240
[16:36] <Sonny_Jim> Then use vnc to control it
[16:36] <steve_rox> i launch that inside of X
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[16:36] <steve_rox> if you do it outside of X the vid reverts to hdmi
[16:36] <steve_rox> and i need composite
[16:36] <mrlespaulman> Ok, I'm in terminal in X
[16:37] <steve_rox> the low screen size makes the emu run faster
[16:37] <steve_rox> reduceing the pi's native res you dont notice and its full screen
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[16:37] <mrlespaulman> ...and its working
[16:37] <mrlespaulman> albeit no sound and awfully choppy
[16:37] <mrlespaulman> video
[16:38] <steve_rox> what you clocking the cpu at?
[16:38] <mrlespaulman> stock 700mhz
[16:38] <steve_rox> your need more
[16:38] <steve_rox> mines at 1ghz
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[16:38] <mrlespaulman> Last time I overclocked, all my directorys turned into text files
[16:38] <steve_rox> when ran in the specifyed res sonic runs 99% perfeect
[16:39] <steve_rox> you went too far with it
[16:39] <mrlespaulman> but thats another story for another time
[16:39] <steve_rox> overclocking too far can lead to corruption
[16:39] <mrlespaulman> Only 950mhz
[16:39] <steve_rox> theres a few values in config you modify together
[16:39] <steve_rox> not just one on its own
[16:39] <mrlespaulman> I used the raspi-config tool
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[16:40] <steve_rox> i tryed that but it failed
[16:40] <steve_rox> the pre defined turbo mode wouldent work
[16:40] <steve_rox> so i manually changed it to find one that works
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[16:41] <steve_rox> but your definately going to have to increase your cpu speed
[16:41] <steve_rox> even at 1ghz sonic runs the cpu useage very high
[16:42] <mrlespaulman> So why is it working in X and not command line?
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[16:42] <steve_rox> im not sure on that one i dont run it outside of x
[16:42] <steve_rox> cos every time i do the vid output changes to hdmi
[16:42] <steve_rox> thinking someone would have to mod the code to change its video device
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[16:43] <steve_rox> i only wish we had a rom launcher/menus
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[16:44] <steve_rox> sh scripts annoy me for menus
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[16:44] <mrlespaulman> lol gotta love whiptail menus
[16:44] <steve_rox> whiptail?
[16:45] <mrlespaulman> like the raspi-config menus
[16:45] <mrlespaulman> I just use that to make my launchers
[16:45] <steve_rox> i have no idea how to
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[16:45] <steve_rox> im too new to linux to know
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[16:46] <mrlespaulman> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bash_Shell_Scripting/Whiptail
[16:46] <steve_rox> thanks
[16:46] <mrlespaulman> Sonny_Jim, what were you mentioning earlier about FB?
[16:47] <steve_rox> dgen is the only emulator ive got going on the pi
[16:47] <mrlespaulman> So far I have NES, SNES, and PSX all layable
[16:47] <mrlespaulman> *Playable
[16:47] <steve_rox> i want a sms emulator
[16:47] <mrlespaulman> just working on genesis now
[16:47] <gyscos> Hey :) This question must be asked every hour, but is there a moderately high-level (higher than openGL or openVG or fb) accelerated graphics library available ?
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[16:49] <steve_rox> i did try get mame working but it constantly moans about missing rom files dispite them being present
[16:50] <Sonny_Jim> mrlespaulman: When an app wants to display to the screen, there's a few ways it can do so
[16:50] <mrlespaulman> ok
[16:50] <Sonny_Jim> One is to write directly to the framebuffer device (/dev/fbdev)
[16:50] <Sonny_Jim> another is to use xorg to do it
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[16:50] <Sonny_Jim> typically fbdev isn't hardware accelerated
[16:51] <mrlespaulman> So if DGEN is running from command line, which method is it using?
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> Well, if you don't run it under X (eg startx, then DGEN) then that's the framebuffer
[16:51] <Sonny_Jim> sorry
[16:51] <mrlespaulman> ok, gotcha
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[16:52] <steve_rox> i find it will work outside of X but only if you have a hdmi display
[16:52] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, normally it's best to run graphical apps under X
[16:52] <ReggieUK> ?
[16:52] <mrlespaulman> It's odd that running it via CL it only works once, while via X it works everytime
[16:52] <mrlespaulman> but slow as balls
[16:52] <Sonny_Jim> mrlespaulman: It's because writing to the framebuffer is pretty low level
[16:52] <steve_rox> you need more cpu speed
[16:52] <Sonny_Jim> hence why it screws up the output when it exits
[16:53] <sKeiths> mrlespaulman: thanks for the whiptail hookup.
[16:53] <mrlespaulman> sKeiths No problemo
[16:53] <steve_rox> indeed on the whiptail
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[16:53] <mrlespaulman> It makes thing a wee bit less ugly
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[16:54] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[16:54] <steve_rox> and msdosy looking :-D
[16:54] <Sonny_Jim> Here I am whipping up an init.d script for an app and the developer of the app is saying "Don't worry, just run it from inittab"
[16:54] <Sonny_Jim> :-O
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[16:54] <Sonny_Jim> I'd rather have a proper init.d script, thanks
[16:54] <mrlespaulman> Sonny_Jim, do I have any alternatives to get DGEN working then?
[16:55] <Sonny_Jim> Well, imho, the better way would be to run it under X
[16:55] <Sonny_Jim> But if it's quicker under framebuffer.....
[16:55] <mrlespaulman> And what about the 1fps deal?
[16:55] <Sonny_Jim> No idea
[16:55] <mrlespaulman> lol
[16:55] <mrlespaulman> weird
[16:55] <Sonny_Jim> tbh I don't use my Pi for anything graphical, so I haven't played around with it that much
[16:56] <mrlespaulman> oh true
[16:56] <Sonny_Jim> In fact I never plug a TV into it unless something is borked
[16:56] <mrlespaulman> Hey, is there a way to clear framebuffer?
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[16:56] <Viperfang> clear
[16:56] <mrlespaulman> or something like that
[16:57] <Viperfang> you can reset the terminal with reset
[16:57] <mrlespaulman> ah, no luck still
[16:58] <mrlespaulman> Dang
[16:59] <mrlespaulman> Anybody ever get ALSA working with Retroarch?
[16:59] <DeliriumTremens> yes
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[16:59] <mrlespaulman> As in no dropouts in sound?
[17:00] <DeliriumTremens> it worked by default with NES, SNES, and Atari 2600
[17:00] <DeliriumTremens> I had to do a tweak to get it working with MAME
[17:00] <DeliriumTremens> are you using analog sound?
[17:00] <mrlespaulman> Using hdmi
[17:00] <DeliriumTremens> i havent had any drop outs
[17:01] <Sonny_Jim> DeliriumTremens: Was that with MESS or separate emulators?
[17:01] <DeliriumTremens> mrlespaulman: did you do: amixer cset numid=3 2
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[17:01] <DeliriumTremens> Sonny_Jim: imame4all
[17:01] <mrlespaulman> My SNES will run full seed with alsa, but the sound drops out when the fps drops by even a little
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[17:01] <mrlespaulman> no, what does that do?
[17:02] <DeliriumTremens> sends all sound to hdmi
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[17:03] <dreamreal> does anyone have any examples of driving the mcp23008 using C?
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> is that the 8-channel ADC?
[17:04] <dreamreal> no, that's the IO expander
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. yes.
[17:04] <dreamreal> I've been looking at wiringpi and a few other libs, and I wish there was a canonical library for I/O :/
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> the I2C one.
[17:04] <sKeiths> I was playing with whiptail and through up a gauge and now cannot get back to shell. any ideas
[17:04] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: yeah
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> I';ve used the SPI one, but not the I2C one - although I do have one on my bench ready for some testing.
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[17:05] <mrlespaulman> DeliriumTremens: Now I have no sound at all
[17:05] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: I keep thinking there's potential for a library that actually exposed everything fairly well, without having to rely on gertboard/wiring analogues
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, and yes, I have plans to so something regarding the IO "pin" type assignment when adding in new GPIO expanders, etc.
[17:05] <mrlespaulman> How would I revert that cset deal?
[17:06] <DeliriumTremens> amixer cset numid=3 0
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[17:06] <DeliriumTremens> 2 = hdmi
[17:06] <DeliriumTremens> 0 = auto
[17:06] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: you're the author of wiringpi?
[17:06] <peejay> sKeiths: does ctrl+c work?
[17:06] <sKeiths> nope
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, yep.
[17:06] <DeliriumTremens> pretty sure that setting gets trashed upon reboot too
[17:06] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: oh, nice. It's what I've been using :)
[17:06] <sKeiths> oh, it came out now.. thats weird.
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[17:06] <peejay> sKeiths: login on another teminal, find the process ID and kill it?
[17:06] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: is privmsg okay?
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[17:06] <peejay> oh, ok
[17:07] <sKeiths> it just took its time.
[17:07] <mrlespaulman> hmm still no sound
[17:07] <mrlespaulman> rebooting
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[17:17] <mrlespaulman> For some reason my Pi is trying to use PulseAudio instead of the ALSA driver
[17:17] <mrlespaulman> How do I switch it back?
[17:17] <steve_rox> does the audio go thu the hdmi or something?
[17:18] <mrlespaulman> I have no audio because its not using the ALSA driver
[17:18] <steve_rox> i dont rember haveing to change drivers
[17:19] <steve_rox> within X i allways found the desktop prog turned the volume down by default
[17:19] <mrlespaulman> Im saying the Pi itself is outputting via PuulseAudio
[17:19] <mrlespaulman> Nothing has sound now
[17:19] <steve_rox> werid
[17:19] <mrlespaulman> I need to change it back
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[17:22] <steve_rox> trying to get the hang of this whiptail syntax now
[17:23] <mrlespaulman> Anyone know how to set the sound driver on Raspbian?
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[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> does alsamixer show anything?
[17:27] <zgreg> what's trying to use PA? I mean, which application are you using?
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[17:28] <mrlespaulman> alsamixer shows /standard stuff, just it lists pulse audio as the driver
[17:28] <mrlespaulman> Pressing f6 lets me view ALSA, but it doesnt set it
[17:28] <mrlespaulman> zgreg, everything is
[17:28] <mrlespaulman> somehow
[17:29] <zgreg> looks like alsa is configured to use the PA adapter
[17:30] <mrlespaulman> Right
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[17:30] <mrlespaulman> I dont want that
[17:31] <zgreg> do you have anything configured for alsa? /etc/asound.conf?
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[17:32] <zgreg> by default, alsa should not route audio through PA
[17:32] <mrlespaulman> asound.conf isnt there
[17:33] <mrlespaulman> could this have changed it? amixer cset numid=3 2
[17:34] <peejay> pasuspender?
[17:34] <peejay> http://linux.die.net/man/1/pasuspender
[17:35] <peejay> alternatively, here's a page on turning PA on or off: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7130/2
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[17:41] <mrlespaulman> Anyother ideas?
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> tried a reboot?
[17:41] <mrlespaulman> Sound was working this morning
[17:41] <mrlespaulman> yeah man
[17:41] <mrlespaulman> no luck
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> oh
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> Odd
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[17:42] <DeliriumTremens> well dang man
[17:42] <DeliriumTremens> the amixer trick worked a charm for me
[17:42] <DeliriumTremens> but it kept reverting on reboot, so i added it to my startup
[17:42] <narcos> Hi all. Could someone give me a hand connecting my Pi with a EDIMAX wifi usb dongle to my WPA network? I can connect to an open one, but can't seem to for my WPA
[17:43] <DeliriumTremens> narcos: http://elinux.org/images/4/4b/Raspberry_Pi_wireless_adapter.pdf
[17:43] <DeliriumTremens> did you follow that?
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[17:44] <Sonny_Jim> narcos: I set mine up via /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:44] <DeliriumTremens> ^
[17:44] <Sonny_Jim> then did sudo ifdown wlan0, sudo ifup wlan0
[17:45] <DeliriumTremens> i followed the elinux guide and it worked a charm
[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> although I had to install a firmware package first, if you can connect to open ones that suggests it's all working, just need configuring
[17:45] <DeliriumTremens> had some weird issue with static ip
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[17:47] <narcos> Sonny_Jim, DeliriumTremens: ta
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[17:48] <DeliriumTremens> i /also/ had some weird issues with my PSK
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[17:49] <peejay> mrlespaulman: the sound module is loaded, and the card is unmuted, yes?
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[17:54] <mrlespaulman> peejay, i believe so
[17:54] <mrlespaulman> Care to walk me through it though?
[17:55] <mrlespaulman> In case I missed something stupid
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[17:56] <peejay> mrlespaulman: sure
[17:56] <peejay> lsmod should return something with snd_bcm2835
[17:57] <mrlespaulman> yep
[17:57] <peejay> so "lsmod | grep snd_bcm2835"
[17:57] <mrlespaulman> its there
[17:58] <peejay> regarding muting, alsamixer should show a green 00 under each column
[17:58] <mrlespaulman> yes...00 is there
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[17:58] <mrlespaulman> So its muted
[17:58] <mrlespaulman> ?
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[17:59] <peejay> no, it's unmuted
[17:59] <peejay> MM would be muted
[17:59] <mrlespaulman> oh yeah ok
[17:59] <mrlespaulman> I see now
[17:59] <peejay> hmm
[18:00] <peejay> so what has changed since this morning?
[18:00] <peejay> just running that amixer command?
[18:00] <mrlespaulman> Alsamixer displays Pulseaudio under Card and chip
[18:00] <mrlespaulman> and yes
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[18:00] <mrlespaulman> thats it
[18:01] <mrlespaulman> If I hit F6 in Alsmixer, I can select the ALSA device
[18:01] <mrlespaulman> The bcm2835 ALSA deal
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[18:02] <mrlespaulman> And it displays the bcm2835 ALSA under Card
[18:02] <mrlespaulman> and Broadcom Mixer under chip
[18:02] <mrlespaulman> but upon exiting alsamixer and running it again, its back to pulseaudio
[18:03] <peejay> and you're trying to get sound over hdmi, right?
[18:04] <mrlespaulman> yep
[18:05] <Elspuddy> bar http://rohankapoor.com/ , is there any other ways to get airprint working via the pi ?
[18:05] <peejay> lemme boot up my pi quick
[18:05] <mrlespaulman> if I chane the settings for RetroArch to accept PulseAudio, it works, albeit crappily
[18:07] <steve_rox> im still going mad trying to learn whiptail syntax , seems limited examples online
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[18:08] <mrlespaulman> Protip: menu selection s output to stderr
[18:08] <mrlespaulman> you can use 2>file or 2>variable to grab the selection
[18:08] <steve_rox> im attempting to find out how to read the input and take action based on that input
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[18:09] <steve_rox> most the examples just show how to make the menus and nothing more
[18:09] <mrlespaulman> as in type a string?
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[18:10] <steve_rox> i guess
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[18:10] <steve_rox> ive done string scipting in past but i just dont know the syntax with this
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[18:13] <mrlespaulman> This PulseAudio crap is pissing me off
[18:14] <steve_rox> not sure why your haveing sound issues
[18:14] <steve_rox> im using defaults without issue
[18:14] <peejay> i don't think i've ever heard of a pleasant pulseaudio experience
[18:14] <DeliriumTremens> you can blame me, but the amixer command certainly didn't break anything on my end
[18:14] <mrlespaulman> Dude your fine
[18:15] <mrlespaulman> its something stupid on my end for sure
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[18:17] <steve_rox> is there such a cmd while being in X to manipulate the window style? eg remove title or make window on top?
[18:17] <SpeedEvil> that would be an ecumenical matter.
[18:17] <mrlespaulman> ...and its working again!
[18:18] <peejay> interesting...
[18:18] <mrlespaulman> I dont know what the heck I did
[18:18] <Sonny_Jim> steve_rox: That's down to the window manager
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> more seriously. the window manager does that,
[18:18] <steve_rox> dammit farther ted
[18:18] <Sonny_Jim> X can get confusing
[18:18] <DeliriumTremens> lol mrlespaulman
[18:18] <steve_rox> i need some way to automatically manipulate it
[18:18] <mrlespaulman> I swear this thing is like some kind of HAL9000
[18:19] <mrlespaulman> It's playing me against myself
[18:19] <steve_rox> wouldent be a issue if i could disable hdmi
[18:19] <mrlespaulman> for its own entertainment
[18:19] <peejay> mrlespaulman: did you explicitly install pulseaudio?
[18:19] <mrlespaulman> No, it seems to have come with the newest Raspbian image from 10-28-12
[18:19] <mrlespaulman> I recently reimaged my card
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/89718/1351629673/Halogen9000.jpg mrlespaulman
[18:20] <peejay> ahh, ok
[18:20] <peejay> i'm running an older image and it doesn't appear to be installed
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[18:20] <mrlespaulman> SpeedEvil: lol
[18:20] <mrlespaulman> yeah i was previously, and it wasnt there
[18:21] <home> hope..eh
[18:21] <mrlespaulman> Now if I could just keep ALSA from dropping out during emulation
[18:21] <mrlespaulman> I'd be set
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. filled triangles!
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> it's the little things that amuse me.
[18:23] <steve_rox> think ill give up with trying to make a whiptail menus for now
[18:24] <mrlespaulman> When I close a rom, I always see "[ALSA]: poll() was signaled, but EAGAIN returned from write. Your ALSA driver might be subtly broken"
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[18:24] <steve_rox> did you compile that binary or whatever?
[18:24] <mrlespaulman> printed on screen a billion times
[18:24] <mrlespaulman> hm?
[18:25] <steve_rox> for dgen
[18:25] <mrlespaulman> oh yeah last night i compile it
[18:26] <steve_rox> well your havein more problems than i did
[18:26] <steve_rox> took me some time to get it working
[18:26] <steve_rox> only issue is i have to launch it within X
[18:27] <steve_rox> brb
[18:27] <IT_Sean> /clear
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[18:28] <mrlespaulman> Its not the billions of messages that bother me, ts the fact that something is causing them to appear
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[18:30] <Sonny_Jim> mrlespaulman: I'm guessing wonky drivers
[18:30] <Sonny_Jim> Have you got a USB soundcard you can try?
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[18:30] <Sonny_Jim> I think you can modify /etc/modules to not load the built in soundcard
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[18:31] <mrlespaulman> actually.......i do have a usb deal
[18:32] <mrlespaulman> first, how would i update the drivers for ALSA?
[18:32] <mrlespaulman> sudo apt-get install alsa-utils?
[18:32] <peejay> mrlespaulman: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6750&start=250
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[18:32] <peejay> do a find on page for: "YAY! I fixed my audio problems!"
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[18:33] <mrlespaulman> peejay Im reading the exact thread already lol
[18:33] <peejay> there seems to be a config file for retroarch
[18:33] <peejay> :)
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[18:34] <rpdmatt> hellooo
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[18:34] <mrlespaulman> there is
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[18:37] <Elspuddy> bah, cpus , "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed"
[18:37] <Elspuddy> cups even
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[18:41] <gordonDrogon> right. now I can do solid triangles in RTB I can improve the clock program...
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[18:47] <peejay> mrlespaulman: any improvement?
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[18:48] <mrlespaulman> Well, trying to see if this usb soundcard will help
[18:48] <mrlespaulman> gotta figure out how to get it going
[18:48] <peejay> ah, ok
[18:48] <mrlespaulman> it shows up in lsmod
[18:50] <mrlespaulman> I may just learn to deal with sound drop outs and be done with it
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[18:55] <Elspuddy> hmm, was about to give up on setting pu my pi as a print server, when i rebooted and got that file system error again
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[19:11] <Gosy> TheSeven, where are you hiding!? :)
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[19:12] <Gosy> [7] is that you :o ?
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[19:12] <steve_rox> iam back
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> evening halloweed pi's !
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> or even Halloween ...
[19:53] <Rudeviper> lol
[19:53] <IT_Sean> Happy hallo of ween
[19:54] <Rudeviper> Holla folks
[19:54] <Rudeviper> Whats up?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> What Ho! Mr. Rudeviper
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> Rudeviper, the sky.
[19:54] <Rudeviper> and my blood preasure
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[20:11] <sambenj> hello chaps - got a quick electronics question... i've built this circuit: http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~pyc23/ir_sensor.html
[20:11] <sambenj> and have it connected to a PCF8591 over i2c - which works ok
[20:12] <sambenj> and i can see the value change when i zap the IR transistor with a remote, but it doesn't react to reflection from the IR LED as it should
[20:13] <sambenj> i.e. to sense proximity. am i correct in thinking that it has too little voltage to realise such a small change? and to alleviate this, i should lower the 10k resistor?
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> firstly... are you sure you've put your IR led in the right way round?
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> You can't just look at it to see if it's lit..
[20:16] <IT_Sean> Use a camera without an IR filter to check it. Most cheap phone cameras do not have an IR filter.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> or an ammeter...
[20:16] <scummos> "put a perfectly isolated cup of coffe in front on it and if it's boling in 20 years, it works"
[20:16] <sambenj> hi gordonDrogon yeah i can see it lit on my phone camera :)
[20:16] <IT_Sean> heh
[20:16] <scummos> how boring
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> Erm
[20:16] <Sonny_Jim> Surely only the transmitter show show on a camera phone
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> Not a receiver, or have I misunderstood?
[20:17] <IT_Sean> That is correct.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> in that case what happens when you point the LED at the phototranny?
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> ie. point it directly rather than relying on a reflection.
[20:17] * Sonny_Jim fixes pinball tables that have opto sensors
[20:17] <sambenj> well, they're soldered side by side, so not much! let me find another i can test with
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> can you bend them at all? try a mirror..
[20:18] <peejay> try somethine with high relflectivity?
[20:18] <peejay> something*
[20:18] <Rudeviper> Just out of curiosity - has anyone tried using cellphone batteries to run the pi? I am kind of curious how long those batteries would last. And yes I know they are only 3.7v and that you have to hook 2 in series and then reduce the voltage to a max of 5.2v
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> not sure it's the sort of thing I'd use myself to gauge proximity, however if it works for you...
[20:18] <Sonny_Jim> Rudeviper: You can use something called a BEC from the RC world
[20:19] <sambenj> i used a piece of tin foil right up close, and got a tiny change 255 - 240
[20:19] <scummos> not very long
[20:19] <sambenj> lemme grab a mirror
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> Rudeviper, go read up on LiPo batteries before connecting 2 in series. Please.
[20:21] <sambenj> with a mirror i can get it to go between 255 and 250...
[20:21] <Matt> gordonDrogon: b00m?
[20:21] <scummos> BOOM
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> More like "sizzle"
[20:22] <Sonny_Jim> or "Poof"
[20:23] <Sonny_Jim> But yeah, there's a reason why most airlines won't carry LiPo as cargo
[20:24] <Sonny_Jim> I think I did some back-of-an-envelope caluculations that came to 15hrs on a 2000mAh battery
[20:24] <sambenj> i've just stuck an IR LED from the same bag to a 1.5v (it's rated source) battery and touched it against the transistor, the lowest reading was ~150
[20:27] <sambenj> i know it's nowhere near as accuarte or sensitive as sonar ot something, but thought it might atleast be able to note if something was within 6", plus it was a simple enough circuit for someone who's just getting started with this sort of thing
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[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> oh I see
[20:29] <Rudeviper> actually - with proper care they won't do that
[20:29] <Sonny_Jim> So you are expecting to bounce an IR signal off something into a receiver?
[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> Normally in my experience you fire the IR signal straight at the receiver and then you can only tell if something breaks the signal
[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> At least that's what we do in the pinball world
[20:30] <Sonny_Jim> So not really sonar, more like laser tripwire
[20:31] <sambenj> hi Sonny_Jim: yeah that's right the transistor should be affected by the 'reflected' IR waves
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[20:32] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, I'm not sure that IR gets reflected like that
[20:33] <Sonny_Jim> In fact I've seen IR pass through solid things
[20:33] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on the IR freq
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> Matt, they shouldn't!, but you need to be careful charging and balancing them.
[20:34] <peejay> gah, now /my/ audio stopped working
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> sambenj, I did loads with IR detectors many years ago - they were OK, but ..
[20:34] <sambenj> Sonny_Jim: shining the LED onto a wall for example, and looking through my phone's camera shows the spotlight, therefore the waves are making it from the led to the wall, and back to the camera
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> oh ok
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> Like I said, my only experience has been with opto switches on pinball
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> sambenj, we ended up modulating the IR out of the photodiode and detecting this at the reciever - that sort of helped with things like sunlight getting in the way...
[20:34] <Sonny_Jim> Although the camera phone is probably several times more sensitive
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> sambenj, maybe you need another transistor to up the sensitivity -changing that 10K resistor isn't gonig to do that really.
[20:35] <sambenj> gordonDrogon: yeah i just wanted something simple and cheap to begin with :( can you think of any ways this could be rescued?
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> sambenj, 2 or 3 more IR LEDs.. ?
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[20:37] <sambenj> gordonDrogon: could be worth a shot :)
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> sambenj, ah, did you look at the graph of their results?
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> sambenj, it's not that good...
[20:37] <rikkib> Wave length
[20:38] <sambenj> gordonDrogon: i didn't actually - i don't have excel
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> sambenj, neither do I but libreoffice opeens it ok.
[20:39] <rikkib> Match
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> hang on - I'll get a capture for you.
[20:39] <sambenj> gordonDrogon: much appreciated!
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> unicorn.drogon.net/graph.png
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[20:42] <sambenj> gordonDrogon: thank you! hmm, 3 inches is could live with i think
[20:42] <sambenj> i*
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> yes, but look at the change - from 5v down to 4.5 ... unless it's a mirror.
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> and that sounds simlar to what you were seeing...
[20:44] <sambenj> 4.5/0.02 = 225
[20:44] <sambenj> so yeah
[20:45] <sambenj> :(
[20:45] <sambenj> ah well! guess it's time for a new project :)
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> Well, at least you did something that wasn't mediaplayer/MAME :-)
[20:45] <Sonny_Jim> Well done :-)
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> it might be worth more experiments - a 2nd LED, or if you can. angle them.
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[20:48] <sambenj> gordonDrogon: just about to solder a second on... let's see how we fare
[20:48] <sambenj> once my ?8 iron heats up...
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> ?
[20:49] <sambenj> soldering iron - not clothing :)
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> you .... iron clothes?
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> what a concept.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> This is the sort of thing we used to use: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/photointerrupter/1714918/
[20:59] <asaru> i prefer to solder clothes
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> gosh they're expensive..
[20:59] <sambenj> i have one shirt that needs ironing, that's why i don't wear it... :)
[21:00] <sambenj> an extra led gave around the same results as their graph...
[21:00] <sambenj> c'est la vie
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> ah well.
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[21:02] <sambenj> thanks for the help anyway guys! much appreciated
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[21:30] <_yac_> an apple ipod charger should be fine powering a raspberry pi, right?
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[21:31] <IT_Sean> iPod / iPhone, oir iPad?
[21:31] <IT_Sean> *or
[21:31] <_yac_> ipod / iphone
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Look at the bottom of it... what is the rated output?
[21:32] <IT_Sean> (I don't have mine in front of me)
[21:32] <_yac_> ahh wait maybe its only 500mA? couldve sworn it was 1A
[21:32] <IT_Sean> the iPad one is 1amp. The iPod / iPhone one is less.
[21:32] <IT_Sean> It will say right on it what the output rating is
[21:33] <_yac_> my iphone charger says 1A but its one of the newer ones
[21:33] <IT_Sean> ah. okay.
[21:33] <IT_Sean> that would do.
[21:33] <IT_Sean> 1a is more than enough for a pi
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> This is what I couldn't work out
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> How come people recommend a 1A PSU, when the Pi is fused at 700mA?
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[21:35] <_yac_> always err on the conservative when recommending psu sizes imo
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, but surely that means <700mA?
[21:37] <_yac_> my sony ericsson was rater 830mA and it seemed to hang when i tried booting it (256MB ram model)
[21:37] <rikkib> I run a phone wall wart rated at 1200mA max. It gives 4.75v across tp1 & tp2.
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> to be honest I would of thought that the quality of PSU means more than than the power output
[21:39] <rikkib> I also have a DC-DC converter rated at 2A continuous. My RPi draws 450mA with voltage set to 5.5v giving 4.75v tp1-tp2
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> how much is the polyfuse dropping?
[21:40] <rikkib> Hmmm .6 from memory
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[21:41] <rikkib> Hang on that was the polyfuse I had on the adapter board
[21:41] <rikkib> Really I can't recall
[21:42] <rikkib> I tested my usb-mini-usb break out
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[21:43] <rikkib> Then powered my RPi from the wall again. Currently the relays and STM32V are being powered from the dc-dc
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[21:44] <rikkib> I did such a poor job of the usb breakout I made I am going to do it again.
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[21:46] <rikkib> Need to de-solder a USB socket from a mother board as well to add more features.
[21:47] <rikkib> So many things without power ratings on them.
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I don't have a pi exposed as it were so can't meansure the voltage drop over the polyfuse. 0.6V seems rather a lot though.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> Hm..
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[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> Not really?
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> 0.7V is standard isn't it?
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> Well, depending on how the sillicon is doped?
[21:59] * Sonny_Jim has a very vague understanding based on an electronics class many moons ago
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 5.06 before and 4.96 after, that's 0.1v drop.
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> it's not a diode.
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that's a good one - that's an HTC charger putting that out.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> the PSU on the cheap powered hub I got is putting out 5.1v too. (5v after the polyfuse.)
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[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> Like I said, very vague understanding
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[22:04] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[22:14] <[7]> so does openelec support wifi? if so, how would one configure it? is it integrated into xbmc?
[22:14] <jelly1> linux supports wifi
[22:14] <jelly1> depends on wifi brand
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[22:15] <[7]> some usb dongle from avm with an atheros chipset
[22:15] <[7]> but i mean if the userspace supports it, e.g. if there is a wpa supplicant and a tool to configure it
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[22:18] <jelly1> [7]: don't know
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[22:42] <peejay> well, that's weird...
[22:42] <satellit> [7]be sure to use a powered hub
[22:42] <peejay> when playing "/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav," over the analog audio output
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[22:42] <peejay> i hear "front, center"
[22:42] <peejay> when i play it over hdmi, all i hear is, "center"
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[22:45] <[7]> satellit: no, I'll use a bus powered one abd I bet that it will work regardless
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[22:46] <satellit> ok mine fails if not enough power....: )
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[23:54] <[7]> hm... my mouse refuses to work with openelec...

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