#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-01

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[0:16] <Lachezar> Hey all... Can I access GPIO via some device file?
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[0:20] <Sonny_Jim> Lachezar: No idea, might be worth reading the GPIO stuff on the wiki
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[0:21] <Armand> I'm looking at the schematics for the model B.. it looks like only the USB and HDMI rely on the 5v supply ?
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[0:29] <des2> If you look at the CPU you'll see a few pins tied to 5v.
[0:29] <des2> They're 'BAT' pins.
[0:29] <des2> Not sure what they are for exactly.
[0:29] <des2> Other than that you are correct about the USB and HDMI.
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[0:31] <Armand> I did see that and, I must confess, I don't understand it.
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[0:31] <des2> I searched a bit and couldn't find any more info on those pins.
[0:32] <Armand> Likewise. :(
[0:32] <des2> Unfortunately there is no data sheet out in the wild.
[0:32] <Sonny_Jim> Does it not say in the CPU docs?
[0:32] <Sonny_Jim> Oh
[0:33] * Sonny_Jim notices post just above his
[0:33] <des2> There's a programming doc out but not a pin by pin data sheet.
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[0:35] <des2> VDD_BAT1, 2, 3, VDDBAT4 and VDDBAT2
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[0:36] <Armand> Quite annoying.
[0:37] <Lachezar> Sonny_Jim: Okay... After searching a while I'll ask: Where's the GPIO Wiki again?
[0:37] <plugwash> well it's pretty clar that the BAT pins feed the buck converter that powers the core
[0:37] <Sonny_Jim> Lachezar: I'll dig it out, two ticks
[0:37] <Armand> plugwash, I don't really understand how to map on the diagrams.
[0:37] <Sonny_Jim> I'd start here if you haven't already:
[0:37] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_Easy_GPIO_Hardware_%26_Software
[0:37] <Armand> Unless, I'm just not reading right.
[0:37] <plugwash> what we don't know are the specs of that buck converter :(
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[0:38] <Lachezar> Sonny_Jim: I'll take a look. Thanks... I thought I was missing something at the raspberrypi.org
[0:38] <Armand> Which converter, plugwash ?
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[0:38] <plugwash> the one built into the SoC which takes the voltage from the "BAT" pins and creates the core voltage
[0:39] <Armand> Ahhh
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[0:40] <Armand> The board takes fixed 5V input, (with the 1V2 core voltage generated directly from the input using the internal switch-mode supply on the BCM2835 die).
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[0:41] <plugwash> and the problem is because we have no details on the buck converter we have no way of determining the safe input voltage range for the "5V" line
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[0:42] <Sonny_Jim> I remember reading somewhere you can squirt something up to 12V
[0:42] <Sonny_Jim> (or something)
[0:42] <Sonny_Jim> Who knows
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[0:42] <plugwash> 12V will set off the protection circuit
[0:43] <Armand> I get you.. so, 5v on GPIO 2 is the safe bet.. for now?
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[0:43] <Sonny_Jim> Armand: No no no
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> the ldo is 6.2v Max IIRC
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[0:43] <Sonny_Jim> I think GPIO is 3.3V max
[0:43] <Sonny_Jim> but don't take my word for it
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> the zener may not clamp till 9
[0:43] <Armand> GPIO, pin 2, 5v.
[0:43] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:GPIO_Protection_Circuits
[0:43] <plugwash> but IIRC the foundation have said that the protection circuit should be considered as a last resort and running at voltages just before it kicks in is likely to significantly shorten the life of the SoC
[0:44] <plugwash> Sonny_Jim, to clarify there is a 5V pin on the GPIO header and powering the Pi with 5V through it is fine
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[0:44] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> the protection circuit kicks in over the absolute maximum input voltage of the regulator
[0:44] <plugwash> but the GPIO lines themselves are NOT 5V tolerant and must not be connected to 5V
[0:44] <Sonny_Jim> Wasn't sure what the question was
[0:45] <Sonny_Jim> Time for bed I think!
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[0:45] <SpeedEvil> you're lucky it works at all if the protection kicked in
[0:45] <Armand> Hold on...
[0:45] <des2> Armand the GPIO are NOY 5v safe. 3.3v only
[0:45] <des2> NOT
[0:46] <Armand> Well.. that's kinda.. pointless ?
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> 5v logic is so 1970s.
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[0:48] <Lachezar> Hmmm... So... For a Raspberry-Pi powerd car I need a 3.3V driver IC, and some way to output a Hardware PWM on any GPIO pin?
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[0:49] <Lachezar> 1 PWM + 4 GPIO ... Now wher are they hiding? :)
[0:51] <Lachezar> Oh... So stupid of me... The GPIO protection page has two Driver-IC pointed out...
[0:51] <des2> What programming language do you preder Lachezar ?
[0:51] <des2> prefer rather
[0:51] <Lachezar> des2: Java :) But I'll settle for Python. I may end up C/C++, but the tool chain is horrible.
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[0:52] <des2> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/turing-machine/two.html
[0:53] <des2> There's a basic GPIO tutorial using python
[0:53] <Lachezar> des2: Thanks... Put on top-list...
[0:54] <Armand> GPIO voltage levels are 3.3 V and are not 5 V tolerant. There is no over-voltage protection on the board - the intention is that people interested in serious interfacing will use an external board with buffers, level conversion and analog I/O rather than soldering directly onto the main board.
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[0:54] <Lachezar> It does look exactly for me: dumb-a$$ trying to do hardware stuff even though I've held a soldering iron once (soldered Arduino myself).
[0:55] <Armand> Now... I have regulators which give a stable 5v.. I'm not sure about "buffers, level conversion and analog I/O" I only want to provide power.
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[1:00] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[1:00] <des2> turnip
[1:00] * Lachezar bids everyone good night... Time to hit the bed (2AM).
[1:01] <des2> night
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[1:03] <Armand> So, let me get this right... the traces along the 5V lines *may* burn out if there is excessive draw?
[1:04] <des2> yes, depending on the value of excessive
[1:04] <Armand> Ok..
[1:05] <Armand> And, if I incorperate say, a 1A fuse onto the 5V supply.. that will protect from over-current ?
[1:05] <des2> Are you feeding power in via the CPIO ?
[1:05] <des2> GPIO pins ?
[1:05] <Armand> That's the idea.
[1:06] <des2> Yeah 1 A would be fine.
[1:06] <Armand> I haven't actually *done* it yet.. I don't want to kill it.
[1:06] <des2> Make sure that 1A is enopugh for what you need.
[1:06] <Armand> I'm going for minimal power draw, and it's headless.
[1:06] <des2> You can probably go to 1.5 A
[1:06] <Armand> I'll only be using the LAN port
[1:06] <des2> Any USB devices ?
[1:07] <Armand> Nothing.
[1:07] <des2> 1A will be fine
[1:07] <Armand> Power, network, SD card.. that's it.
[1:08] <Armand> My LV regulators are using the LM2596S
[1:08] <Armand> I hear it's supposed to be pretty good..
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[1:10] <des2> sure
[1:12] <Armand> I know I've got some fuse clips out in the shed. Bucket-load of 1A fuses.
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[1:18] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-video
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[1:18] <DooMMasteR> I am gettin wired click noises from my pi
[1:18] <Cheery> I think it's tomorrow or over that, when I can publish this thing.
[1:18] <DooMMasteR> they seem to appear at random??? what might be the cause of it?
[1:19] <DooMMasteR> smetimes the clicks are only 20secons
[1:20] <DooMMasteR> and sometimes even 5
[1:20] <des2> What do you mean from your PI ?
[1:20] <DooMMasteR> then again???50-90secns
[1:20] <DooMMasteR> via the headphone jack
[1:20] <des2> ok.
[1:20] <des2> You are experiencing the clicky audio problem.
[1:21] <des2> Are you upgraded to the latest drivers/OS ?
[1:21] <DooMMasteR> jepp
[1:21] <knoppies> DooMMasteR, I have heard that using the arch image rather than the debian one solves that problem, but I haven't confirmed this yet.
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[1:26] <des2> Which OS are you using ?
[1:27] <des2> BTW, the audio drivers are a work in progress and they know they need work.
[1:27] <DooMMasteR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTeUE_NeRDM
[1:27] <DooMMasteR> made a short video??? maybe it can be heard
[1:28] <DooMMasteR> the loud clicks are quite well noticable
[1:28] <DooMMasteR> they also appear when the sound is in stanby???
[1:29] <DooMMasteR> so after and before the lould popnoise
[1:29] <des2> Only a computer geek would have a Turing poster....
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[1:30] <DooMMasteR> it is REALLY annoying???
[1:30] <des2> Which OS are you using ?
[1:31] <des2> (it'll be fixed eventually, audio is the PI's weakness at the moment and is a persistent Linux issue)
[1:31] <Armand> Thanks for all your advice, guys.. I'm off now. Gnite. .o/
[1:31] <des2> nite
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[1:33] <DooMMasteR> Raspberian
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[1:34] <DooMMasteR> Linux doompi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[1:35] <DooMMasteR> hmm on the other Pi it seems not to be occuring -.-
[1:36] <DooMMasteR> on my new 512MB model I have the problem
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[1:36] <DooMMasteR> on the old really early 256MB model it is not occuring
[1:37] <des2> Only counts if you transfer the SD card and power supply and USB peripherals over.
[1:37] <DooMMasteR> it is the same SD and EVERYTHING
[1:37] <DooMMasteR> just swapped the pis
[1:37] <DooMMasteR> same neviroment???
[1:37] <des2> uh oh.
[1:37] <DooMMasteR> old one fine
[1:38] <des2> Odd.
[1:38] <DooMMasteR> new one cracks and clicks
[1:38] <DooMMasteR> we have other pis
[1:38] <des2> Do you have a voltmeter ?
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[1:38] <DooMMasteR> jepp???
[1:39] <DooMMasteR> and oszilloscpe
[1:39] <des2> Measure the TP1 TP2 voltages on both PIs.
[1:39] <DooMMasteR> 200Mhz at least
[1:39] <DooMMasteR> ok??? will do
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[1:41] <DooMMasteR> 4,7V
[1:42] <DooMMasteR> on the one withput clicks
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[1:43] <chithead> 4.7V is not enough I think
[1:44] <DooMMasteR> 4,75V ond the one with clicks
[1:45] <DooMMasteR> 4,7V on the one without
[1:45] <DooMMasteR> another one without has 4,65V and is also fine??? no clicking
[1:45] <DooMMasteR> but I have also played on my new 512Meg model without clicks
[1:46] <des2> Do you have another powe supply that might output higher voltage ?
[1:46] <DooMMasteR> I think it might be a software isuue???
[1:46] <DooMMasteR> des2: jes tried with different powersupplys???
[1:46] <des2> ok
[1:46] <DooMMasteR> all output around 5-5,1V and the results are even
[1:46] <DooMMasteR> have now booted the new one and so far no clicking -.-
[1:46] <DooMMasteR> ahhrg
[1:47] <DooMMasteR> I hate those inconsistent bugs :P
[1:48] <DooMMasteR> Mem: 221612 77212 144400 0 11660 35752 and it is the new one :P
[1:48] <DooMMasteR> damn wtf
[1:48] <Cheery> I'm really itching from not publishing that node-video RIIGHT yet..
[1:51] <DooMMasteR> des2: so the bug might also appear on older Pis??? who knows??? it does not even always appear on my new one
[1:51] <DooMMasteR> it was just a coincidence that it appeared over 3 reboots -.-
[1:52] <DooMMasteR> or maybe one needs to powercycle to fix the bug o.O
[1:52] <des2> Make sure you are updated to the very latest everything.
[1:52] <DooMMasteR> could that even bee? that it might be clocktree related?
[1:52] <DooMMasteR> Linux doompi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[1:52] <DooMMasteR> Sep 18 2012 01:45:15
[1:52] <DooMMasteR> Copyright (c) 2012 Broadcom
[1:52] <DooMMasteR> version 337601 (release)
[1:53] <des2> WTH is doompi ?
[1:53] <DooMMasteR> my pi
[1:53] <DooMMasteR> hostname is doompi
[1:54] <des2> oh heh
[1:54] <DooMMasteR> doompi
[1:54] <DooMMasteR> :)
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[2:48] <DooMMasteR> o.O
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[3:04] <DooMMasteR> des2: now for >60min not one click
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[3:04] <DooMMasteR> so it seems to be some kind of init/bootstrap problem at initiial powerup
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[3:04] <DooMMasteR> because simple reboots did not fix the issue
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[3:06] <des2> good
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[3:08] <DooMMasteR> des2: not really o.O
[3:08] <DooMMasteR> when I deploy a Pi it should not be in some state but in a working state
[3:09] <DooMMasteR> even after powerloss or something
[3:10] <des2> power off/on reboots will always be different from software reboots.
[3:13] <DooMMasteR> yeah??? but it should be stable and not sometimes result in clicking noises
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[3:13] <DooMMasteR> because I cannot remotly determine or fix it when ir occurs -.-
[3:13] <des2> At the present time the PI audio drivers aren't stable.
[3:14] <des2> There needs work to be done.
[3:15] <DooMMasteR> but as said??? it does not seem to be a driver issue??? at least not a direct lone
[3:15] <cyclick> I had better luck with audio through HDMI after setting "sudo amixer cset numid=3 2"
[3:15] <DooMMasteR> I am not using audio over HDMI :)
[3:17] <cyclick> DooMMasteR, with analog, some said that they got rid of the popping/clicking by using mpd/mpc or arch linux
[3:17] <DooMMasteR> cyclick: the popping is fine with me :(
[3:17] <DooMMasteR> (:
[3:17] <DooMMasteR> it is anothe rproblem that sometimes occurs
[3:17] <DooMMasteR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTeUE_NeRDM
[3:17] <DooMMasteR> it is during playback
[3:18] <DooMMasteR> not at start and/or end
[3:18] <DooMMasteR> and it is loud???
[3:18] <DooMMasteR> it is a full sample at maxium level
[3:18] <DooMMasteR> loud CLICKs
[3:19] <DooMMasteR> the pop seems to be the buffer init which is a bit??? bumpy :P
[3:19] <cyclick> ok I haven't encountered that problem... but I switched to HDMI to avoid the popping at start/stop
[3:19] <cyclick> but in analog it was playing fine in between start/stop..
[3:20] <DooMMasteR> as said??? most powercycles do not produce the problem??? but some seem to
[3:20] <DooMMasteR> it starts right after powering up
[3:21] <DooMMasteR> even withoput any driver loaded or sound playing
[3:21] <DooMMasteR> and is not fixable by reboots
[3:21] <cyclick> why do you keep using this character: ???
[3:21] <DooMMasteR> but only by a powercycle without the problem occuring
[3:21] <DooMMasteR> cyclick: it is ...
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[3:21] <DooMMasteR> and faster to type :P
[3:22] <DooMMasteR> ??? instead of ...
[3:22] <cyclick> ok.. it doesnt display correctly on my client..
[3:22] <DooMMasteR> ?? is also better than Ohm
[3:22] <DooMMasteR> cyclick: orly? it is normal UTF-8
[3:22] <DooMMasteR> ?? w??rks?
[3:23] <cyclick> for some reason after you typed the ohm symbol, the ... symbol updated correctly.. but before that is was disaplyed as a black filled square
[3:23] <DooMMasteR> lol
[3:23] <DooMMasteR> fontmagic :P
[3:23] <cyclick> there is bugs everywhere
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[3:24] <des2> Holy cow there's an Ohm symbol.
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[3:24] <DooMMasteR> alt+Z ond a mac
[3:24] <DooMMasteR> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????`
[3:24] <DooMMasteR> the whole 1 alt layer
[3:25] <DooMMasteR> `????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[3:25] <DooMMasteR> and the 2.
[3:26] <DooMMasteR> 90% are useless
[3:26] <DooMMasteR> but some are quite nice to use
[3:26] <des2> heh
[3:27] <DooMMasteR> esp ?????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???
[3:27] <DooMMasteR> and some others
[3:28] <DooMMasteR> but yeah unicode is awesome and bloated :P e.g. all the snow related chars: ??????????????????????
[3:28] <DooMMasteR> why is there a BLACK SNOWMAN o.O
[3:28] <DooMMasteR> U+26C7
[3:29] <des2> Apparently you've never lived in a city.
[3:29] <DooMMasteR> lol
[3:29] <des2> Your snowman turns black quickly.
[3:29] <DooMMasteR> I do, but the air is quite clean here :)
[3:30] <DooMMasteR> so are % OK ??? also OK but?????? ??? o.O
[3:33] <DooMMasteR> and ???9001 arrows :P:??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[3:33] <DooMMasteR> thoes are just FORWRD :P
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[3:35] <cyclick> who needs to go backward
[3:35] <des2> That's a lot of forward arrows
[3:35] <cyclick> ?????????
[3:36] <DooMMasteR> the clicks are back again -.-
[3:36] <DooMMasteR> damn
[3:36] <des2> I'm sticking with ==>
[3:36] <DooMMasteR> ???
[3:36] <DooMMasteR> I have autoreplacements - - > without spaces is automatically converted to ??? and = = > to ???
[3:37] <cyclick> DooMMasteR, so you type 5 characters to be able to display 1?
[3:37] <DooMMasteR> nope WITHOUT the whitespace
[3:37] <DooMMasteR> so 3:1
[3:37] <DooMMasteR> ==>
[3:37] <DooMMasteR> ???
[3:38] <DooMMasteR> damn the clicks are back -.- wtf
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[4:06] <mrlespaulman> I'm having ALSA issues with RetroArch when emulatiing SNES or PSX.
[4:06] <mrlespaulman> The sound drops out any time the framerate flucuates
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[4:07] <mrlespaulman> Anyone here have similar issues?
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[4:19] <peejay> mrlespaulman: still no luck, eh?
[4:19] <mrlespaulman> lol not yet
[4:20] <mrlespaulman> I feel like theres something simple I could do to fix it
[4:20] <mrlespaulman> But...
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[4:20] <mrlespaulman> Maybe not
[4:20] <peejay> any interest in moving to arch linux arm?
[4:20] <mrlespaulman> Im up for it, whats the advantages?
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[4:21] <peejay> i seem to be having better luck with it for audio
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[4:21] <mrlespaulman> in what applications?
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[4:22] <peejay> pianobar & mplayer
[4:22] <peejay> getting decent sound consistently over hdmi
[4:23] <peejay> if you've got a spare SD card, it may be worth a try
[4:23] <mrlespaulman> Very true
[4:23] <peejay> no pulseaudio to deal with :)
[4:23] <mrlespaulman> I may see if I can scrounge one up
[4:23] <mrlespaulman> PulseAudio....GAH
[4:24] <mrlespaulman> What a nightmare
[4:24] <peejay> this is a really good write-up for getting nice system up & running:
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[4:24] <peejay> https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/372
[4:25] <mrlespaulman> I'm so used to Debian-style distros
[4:25] <mrlespaulman> It might me a bit of a learning curve
[4:25] <mrlespaulman> *be
[4:25] <peejay> i was too up until about 2 months ago
[4:26] <peejay> have you been using linux a while?
[4:26] <mrlespaulman> Not too long, maybe 6 months or so now
[4:26] <mrlespaulman> I've learned a lot the last month
[4:27] <peejay> well, the arch wiki is incredible
[4:27] <mrlespaulman> Oh good, it has documentation then
[4:28] <peejay> if i ever have questions on how to do something, or what i may or may not want to install... it's probably been covered
[4:28] <mrlespaulman> Awesome, thats what I rely on heavily
[4:28] <mrlespaulman> I don't know enough to troubleshoot by myself
[4:28] <peejay> there's also an #archlinux-arm channel here on freenode
[4:29] <mrlespaulman> Ah yes I discovered IRC a few days ago, and its been helpful
[4:29] <peejay> :)
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[4:29] <mrlespaulman> when theres people on
[4:29] <mrlespaulman> lol
[4:29] <peejay> hehe, definitely
[4:30] <mrlespaulman> Why does it say there are 371 total people on right now?
[4:30] <mrlespaulman> It seems like just 2
[4:30] <peejay> the more projects grow & spread around the world, the more likely you are to find help at any hour on irc ;)
[4:30] <TSS_Killer> because people idle and have lives
[4:30] <mrlespaulman> lol
[4:30] <peejay> a lot of folks idle
[4:30] <peejay> yeah
[4:31] <mrlespaulman> I wasnt sure if everyone just left their PCs on or what
[4:31] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[4:31] <SpeedEvil> many are asleep in the UK
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[4:31] <SpeedEvil> it being 3:30am and all
[4:31] <mrlespaulman> 23:30 over here
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[4:32] <mrlespaulman> er 11:30 pm
[4:32] <mrlespaulman> is what i meant
[4:32] <peejay> same here
[4:32] <peejay> #reprap is a really busy channel
[4:33] <mrlespaulman> Re Prap?
[4:33] <mrlespaulman> Rep Rap?
[4:33] <mrlespaulman> R. Eprap?
[4:33] <peejay> rep rap. it's an open source 3d printer project
[4:33] <mrlespaulman> Now that is pretty neat
[4:33] <peejay> http://www.reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
[4:34] <mrlespaulman> whoa
[4:35] <mrlespaulman> #D printers...
[4:35] <mrlespaulman> 3D printers...printing 3D printers
[4:35] <mrlespaulman> My mind is blown
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[4:36] <peejay> hehe
[4:36] <mrlespaulman> So how do you get the initial printer?
[4:36] <mrlespaulman> Do you buy it?
[4:37] <peejay> you can buy kits, or look at the bill of materials & source the parts yourself
[4:38] <mrlespaulman> WOW THIS IS CRAZY
[4:38] <mrlespaulman> yet mildly creepy
[4:39] <cyclick> mrlespaulman,you cant print a whole printer anyways
[4:40] <mrlespaulman> Thats what I was thinking
[4:40] <mrlespaulman> What with motors and all
[4:41] <peejay> yeah, it isn't fully self-replicating
[4:41] <cyclick> motors, electronic board and some other hardware
[4:41] <mrlespaulman> Still intriguing though
[4:41] <peejay> you should check to see if you have a hackerspace in your area
[4:41] <peejay> chances are, they have one
[4:41] <mrlespaulman> ...Hackerspace?
[4:41] <peejay> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspaces
[4:42] <mrlespaulman> Excuse my ignorance
[4:42] <peejay> it's all good
[4:43] <peejay> i'm a member at hive76 in philadelphia: http://www.hive76.org/
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[5:15] <Rudeviper> well I guess Adobe is serious about not supporting the linux platform anymore - cause I can't get flash to work on my Debian desktop let alone the pi
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[5:33] <phire> Rudeviper, I think they have just completely given up on flash.
[5:33] <knoppies> Rudeviper, flash should roll over and DIE.
[5:33] <phire> its legacy software now
[5:33] <knoppies> phire, I hope they have.
[5:34] <Rudeviper> that means no more youtube unless you use windows
[5:34] <phire> youtube already has an html5 version
[5:35] <CelticTurnip> I haven't tried it on the Pi but Gnash works perfectly fine for YouTube videos that don't play as HTML5 for me on OpenBSD and FreeBSD
[5:35] <CelticTurnip> never got it to work outside of YouTube though
[5:36] <phire> It's not like there is a subset of flash for video players
[5:36] <phire> you need to support the whole spec
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[5:40] <SpeedEvil> 'need' in principle, yes
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> what's practical with limited resource
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[6:11] <Rudeviper> gnash won't work with firefox
[6:13] <Rudeviper> at least not as an addon as they claim
[6:13] <CelticTurnip> it worked for me, but that's on 2 totally different OSes
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[6:35] <Rudeviper> ooooooo - Windows * ROFLMAO Microsoft buys out Adobe and cancels support for flash in linux - and now they are getting sued for ripping off another company with the "Tile" idea = hahahahahahaha
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[8:14] <[deXter]> w00t, my Pi is here at last!
[8:14] <[deXter]> It's been a long wait since last year but it's worth it.. and I got the 512MB version too ^_^
[8:15] <bircoe> my 512 just arrived!
[8:15] <bircoe> would you be cranky if i saidi orded my 512 2 days ago?
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[8:15] <[deXter]> No, because so did I. :P
[8:15] <bircoe> all good then!
[8:15] <[deXter]> I tried to order on the original release day, but it wouldn't let me
[8:16] <[deXter]> I only got to "register my interest"
[8:16] <[deXter]> They were supposed to email me when it was in stock, but the bloody buggers never did
[8:16] <bircoe> I ordered release day and waited 6 months!
[8:16] <bircoe> one from rs and one from e14
[8:16] <[deXter]> yeah, I tried both as well
[8:17] <[deXter]> They almost completely killed my interest for the Pi..
[8:17] <bircoe> heh
[8:17] <bircoe> they're worth the wait!
[8:17] <[deXter]> yep
[8:17] <bircoe> amazing little things
[8:18] <bircoe> one is going in my car as a media player for the kids...
[8:19] <[deXter]> I want to run mine as a server .. and will get one to build my own portable gaming console. :P
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[8:19] <[deXter]> need to hunt for a suitable LCD screen
[8:20] <bircoe> what type of lcd?
[8:21] <[deXter]> Well, anything reasonably priced. :P Something around 7" would be nice
[8:21] <[deXter]> I've not decided yet.. will first see what sorts of games can run on it comforatbly
[8:21] <bircoe> theres a bunch on ebay...
[8:22] <[deXter]> For now I want to run DOS / NES / SNES games.. need to see if GBA can run without lag as well
[8:22] <[deXter]> I'm sure it could though, I remember playing GBA on my P III 450Mhz
[8:22] <discopig> [deXter], do you have a pi yet?
[8:22] <discopig> oh you did just looked up
[8:23] <[deXter]> discopig, Just got mine today ^_^
[8:23] <discopig> nice
[8:23] <[deXter]> Been playing hide and seek with the couriers since the past three days
[8:23] <discopig> i got mine 1 day before they released the 512mb's
[8:23] <discopig> sadly
[8:23] <[deXter]> Aww :(
[8:23] <discopig> doesn't bug me that much since it's headless though
[8:23] <[deXter]> nice
[8:24] <[deXter]> Mine arrived the next day I ordered - which I didn't expect - and it arrived when I wasn't at home, so they took it back!
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[8:24] <bircoe> 7" monitors with HDMI aren't that cheap...
[8:24] <bircoe> 2xt5tkrg
[8:24] <bircoe> crap
[8:24] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Protable-7-Touch-Screen-LCD-Monitor-With-HDMI-AV-VGA-For-Car-Video-PC-POS-/150937557831?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2324945b47&_uhb=1#ht_4974wt_912
[8:25] <[deXter]> Oh, for your car PC?
[8:25] <bircoe> no, was seeing what there was that fit's your criteria
[8:25] <[deXter]> Also, that disembodied hand looks really creepy.
[8:26] <[deXter]> It's a really tiny hand for a 7" screen...
[8:26] <bircoe> I'm not doing a car PC as such, simply running OpenELEC to the composite input in the overhead DVD player in the family truckster
[8:26] <bircoe> yeah ebay photos usually have scalling issyes!
[8:27] <bircoe> dinner time... later
[8:27] <[deXter]> cya
[8:28] <phorce1> bircoe: if you don't mind self building just buy an LVDS controller and mosty any 7" netbook screen. Build your own case.
[8:28] <phorce1> bircoe: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LVDS-VGA-DVI-AV-HDMI-LCD-controller-board-for-DIY-2662-/271019078299?pt=US_Server_Boards&hash=item3f19fef29b
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[8:28] <[deXter]> phorce1, Thanks, that's what I was looking for
[8:29] <[deXter]> I wasn't sure if you could connect an LVDS directly to the Pi though.
[8:30] <[deXter]> that board is humongous though
[8:30] <[deXter]> this one looks better: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?p=1553
[8:30] <phorce1> Oh, it was for [deXter]
[8:30] <phorce1> [deXter]: where are you, I only used ebay.au because that's what bircoe used
[8:31] <[deXter]> phorce1, new zealand, but I don't mind ordering from anywhere really..
[8:31] <phorce1> [deXter]: screen like this ---> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Acer-Aspire-One-7GS-UMPC-LK-08905-002-Netbook-Screen-/271074374915?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item3f1d4ab503
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[8:33] <phorce1> [deXter]: I'm in .us so I have to mentally adjust prices and remember to ignore quoted shipping when I look elsewhere. eBay shows more for shipping than the cost of that screen
[8:34] <[deXter]> yep
[8:34] <[deXter]> Anyways speaking of headless..
[8:35] <[deXter]> I don't really have a monitor right now that I can plug my RPi into
[8:35] <phorce1> [deXter]: I've been using my 32" TV when I have time to play with mine.
[8:36] <[deXter]> Can I do the configuration etc using ssh / VNC from my PC, using a crossover cable?
[8:37] <phorce1> If you poke at eBay (search LVDS HDMI LCD controller) you can find some with fewer inputs that are smaller. But if you're going to slap together a small "test monitor" having HDMI + VGA + COMPOSITE at a minimum would be good.
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[8:39] <phorce1> [deXter]: I've had a monitor, never tried messing with it completely headless yet.
[8:41] * phorce1 also hasn't plugged his pi up in over a month. busy busy busy
[8:42] <phire> I mostly use my pi via a serial cable
[8:42] <phire> I hooked it up to a tv once or twice
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[8:43] <discopig> i like having mine headless
[8:48] <knoppies> [deXter], you should be able to, most new RJ-45 jacks come with auto sensing and it doesn't matter if you use a straight or crossover cable.
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[8:50] <bircoe> phorce1, the only thing I don
[8:50] <bircoe> ...
[8:50] <bircoe> don't like about those is the size of the board
[8:51] <bircoe> it's like 6 times bigger than a Pi...
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[8:55] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[8:55] <bircoe> evening.
[8:58] <[deXter]> knoppies, cool
[8:59] <[deXter]> discopig, do you know if VNC/SSH is enabled by default on Raspbian, or is there a config file I can edit?
[9:00] <discopig> yes it is
[9:00] <discopig> you can just ssh into it as soon as it boots
[9:00] <discopig> might has to look up the LAN ip on your router though
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[9:00] <discopig> from there youcan install vnc if you want
[9:02] <[deXter]> Also, just curious: What distro is everyone here running?
[9:02] <discopig> i like raspbian, but i tried arch and it's nice too
[9:02] <discopig> but i stick to raspbian since i like debian
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[9:03] <[deXter]> Well I'm not too fussy re deb/rpm/tgz, just want something that's optimised for the RPi specifically..
[9:03] <discopig> oh
[9:03] <[deXter]> Well, at least initially until I'm familiar with the whole thing :)
[9:03] <[deXter]> Following which I might go for Arch
[9:04] <discopig> arch is nice, it felt slightly fsater
[9:04] <discopig> but overall raspbian and arch are probably on par
[9:04] <knoppies> [deXter], optimized? Then probably arch.
[9:05] <knoppies> but they have done some optimization to the rasbian too.
[9:05] <Dyskette> Isn't arch still softfp?
[9:05] <discopig> no t's hardfloat
[9:05] <discopig> it's*
[9:06] <Dyskette> Huh, when'd that change?
[9:06] <[deXter]> I'm guessing hardfloat = ability to use the hardware FPU?
[9:06] <phire> yeah
[9:07] <Dyskette> It was armel for the longest time after raspbian went armhf
[9:07] <phire> well, less ability, more that the code has all been compiled to actually use hardware floating point instructions
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[9:18] <Xark> [deXter]: Not quite. It is more the calling conventions letting float values get passed in the FPU (as opposed to moving them from gpr to float upon entry). The previous calling conventions worth with or without hardware FPU, but with the armhf conventions you must have a FPU (since arguments are passed in FPU registers).
[9:19] <Xark> s/worth/work/
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[9:20] <[deXter]> nice, thanks Xark
[9:23] <Xark> [deXter]: NP. Bottom line still a nice improvement, depending on how many float functions are called.
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[10:38] <dcm1977> Morning!
[10:39] <dcm1977> Anyone able to help me with a gertboard query?
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[10:51] <bagpuss_thecat> dcm1977: I'm sure if you ask then someone will answer
[10:51] <dcm1977> sure
[10:51] <bagpuss_thecat> but it won't be me, as I don't have a Gertboard
[10:52] <InControl> not many people do have a gertboard due to Farnells total incopetence
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[10:53] <dcm1977> i've built the thing and after a bit a fluster... the ribbon cable had been put on the wrong way around on the pi (when then pibow was added!) I've have it all connected and my multimeter says about 4.7V from the top pin of J7 is that ok or is a bit high?
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> is J7 a 5v pin or a 3.3v pin?
[10:55] <dcm1977> should be 3.3V
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> yea, should be 3.3
[10:56] <dcm1977> but having just checked my multimeter thinks the pi output from the 3.3v power is 4.6V and 7.1V from the 5V
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> top is the on-board 3.3v regulator, bottom is off the Pi.
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> 7.1v ... impressive.
[10:56] <dcm1977> an impressively inaccurate multimeter..
[10:57] <lunra> Is this a cheap analog meter?
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> check it directly on the Pi's T1/T2 points.
[10:57] <[deXter]> Hey guys so I plugged in my pi and booting raspbmc.. and it's just stuck at "USB keyboard something something" and not booting into a GUI...
[10:57] <lunra> If a keyboard is connected, disconnect it
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> ah well. got to pop out for a bit - back later.
[10:57] <lunra> Else, connect one
[10:58] <[deXter]> I tried both
[10:58] <lunra> have you got a keyboard that's lower power/another keyboard?
[10:58] <tehtrb> hi folks
[10:58] <tehtrb> i'm missing libiclient.a
[10:58] <[deXter]> hmm, no don't have any other keyboard
[10:58] <lunra> hmm
[10:58] <tehtrb> gcc: error: /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/libilclient.a: No such file or directory
[10:58] <dcm1977> lunra: nope digital rapitest
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[10:58] <tehtrb> where do i get it ?
[10:59] <[deXter]> what's the default ssh password?
[10:59] <lunra> dcm1977: wow :O.
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[11:00] <bagpuss_thecat> tehtrb: have you tried the solution here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=109704 ?
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[11:02] <tehtrb> bagpuss_thecat i saw it, but i don't rly get the solution
[11:02] <[deXter]> Oh wait, I just plugged it back into the TV.. it's now at a screen "downloading root filesystem"
[11:02] <[deXter]> Problem is my TV and my router are at different locations
[11:02] <[deXter]> so I can have only one on at the same time..
[11:02] <[deXter]> So I plugged it to my router now but I've no idea what's going on..
[11:03] <lunra> Perhaps you should invest in a supported WiFi stick
[11:04] <[deXter]> I have one
[11:04] <lunra> (not sure if raspbmc works with those at all!)
[11:04] <Amorsen> [deXter], I had that problem, I plugged the Pi into my laptop and let the laptop share the Wifi to the ethernet
[11:04] <Amorsen> Until I could get wifi running on the Pi
[11:04] <Sonny_Jim> Easy enough to do
[11:04] <Sonny_Jim> dnsmasq + a bit of iptables magic
[11:04] <[deXter]> Amorsen, Ah that's a good idea.. any tips on how to share that?
[11:04] * lunra is lucky enough to have scored a 50m spool of cat5 for a couple of bucks :>
[11:05] <Amorsen> [deXter] I just enabled sharing in the NetworkManager applet-thingy. I'm on Fedora
[11:06] <[deXter]> Oh? well I could give it a shot.. I have NM as well
[11:06] <Amorsen> I was a bit surprised to find it there, I thought I'd have to play with iptables and stuff
[11:06] <Amorsen> But no, it just worked
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[11:09] <[deXter]> Man this stuff is so exciting.. it's almost like when I got my first PC. :)
[11:09] <Vanfanel> Hi there. I'm trying to implement double buffering in a dispmanx-based libSDL backend, but I need some help
[11:10] <Vanfanel> I'm following this idea: 1) write pixel bitmap data into the offscreen rect
[11:10] <Vanfanel> 2)start instructions for next update
[11:11] <Vanfanel> 3)remove old element 4)create new element (src_rect and the dst_rect to be put on-screen)
[11:11] <Vanfanel> 5)issue update_sync
[11:11] <Vanfanel> But it doesn't work well, still getting some tearing
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[11:16] <[deXter]> Amorsen, do I need to setup DHCP or static routing or anything else?
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[11:17] <[deXter]> Amorsen, do I need to setup DHCP or static routing or anything else?
[11:18] <bircoe> DHCP is fine...
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[11:19] <Amorsen> [deXter] bircoe is right, just do DHCP
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[11:19] <Amorsen> The sharing thingy includes a DHCP server
[11:19] <[deXter]> nothing seems to be happening..
[11:19] <[deXter]> it's stuck at "downloading root filesystem.. 98%"
[11:19] <[deXter]> Ifconfig on my host doesn't show any ip address for eth0
[11:20] <bircoe> what are you trying to do?
[11:20] <[deXter]> I'm trying to boot my rpi!
[11:20] <[deXter]> For the first time
[11:20] <bircoe> with what os?
[11:20] <[deXter]> raspbmc
[11:20] <bircoe> don't mess around with that...
[11:20] <[deXter]> Why?
[11:20] <bircoe> OpenELEC is much simpler to setup
[11:21] <bircoe> RaspBMC is based on OpenELEC but quite old builds
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[11:21] <[deXter]> oh?
[11:22] <Amorsen> Heh, when I set raspbmc up it was just copy image to SD, boot Pi, wait for it to download itself, done
[11:22] <bircoe> download a build from here
[11:22] <bircoe> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/
[11:22] <Amorsen> I'm on raspbian now, but it's difficult to imagine that it could be easier
[11:22] <bircoe> with openelec you run a single script... it formats the card and copies itself to the the card with the config already setup etc.
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[11:23] <bircoe> then simply pop the card in and it boots
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[11:24] <Amorsen> I'd argue that is exactly the same difficulty as raspbmc...
[11:25] <bircoe> yes but on first boot raspbmc downlods itself...
[11:25] <[deXter]> bircoe, okay, I'll give ur suggestion a try
[11:25] <bircoe> and the last time i tried it failed to set itself up correctly
[11:27] <[deXter]> bircoe, that's awesome.. I see there's a build updated today as well!
[11:27] <[deXter]> I'm loving openelec already :)
[11:27] <bircoe> pretty smooth huh
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[11:29] <[deXter]> hmm, can't seem to open this page:
[11:29] <[deXter]> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
[11:31] <bircoe> same... maybe they're having issues at the moment
[11:31] <bircoe> what do you need to know
[11:31] <bircoe> ?
[11:31] <[deXter]> nothing specific, just any gotchas..
[11:31] <bircoe> none as far as i've found
[11:31] <[deXter]> like the raspbian pi website never said I'd need an active internet connection while booting. :P
[11:32] <bircoe> after the create_sdcard script and the first boot it works pretty darn well
[11:32] <bircoe> that's cos raspian downloads itself on first boot
[11:32] <bircoe> the 88mb image you downloaded of OpenELEC isthe complete OS
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[11:34] <[deXter]> ..and it's booted!
[11:34] <[deXter]> that was.. disturbingly quick and easy.
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[11:34] <bircoe> :)
[11:34] <bircoe> Google cached version of the page your trying to get to
[11:34] <bircoe> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
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[11:35] <[deXter]> Thanks :)
[11:35] <[deXter]> Now I just need to find an 3.5mm to RCA converter
[11:35] <bircoe> no hdmi tv?
[11:35] <[deXter]> lol this is a very old CRT tv here..
[11:35] <[deXter]> I don't really watch TV at all
[11:36] <bircoe> i see!
[11:36] <bircoe> your gunna wanna get a HDTV when you see how well these things play 1080P content!
[11:36] <[deXter]> yeah, I'm planning to..
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[11:37] <[deXter]> just looking for some affordable LED IPS screens
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[11:38] <bircoe> I used to think Apple TV 2's were good, if you can live with the 720P limitation... they could play 1080p but scaled down to 720P.
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[11:38] <bircoe> I ripped my Avatar BD to an MKV turned out to be around 9gb
[11:39] <[deXter]> heh
[11:39] <bircoe> the ATV2 can't play this file without frame skipping like mad... the Pi, plays it perfectly, and the Pi's have a slower CPU
[11:39] <[deXter]> wow
[11:39] <sanone> Is there already some information available on decoding a h264 movie and instead of rendering it directly to screen (framebuffer) rendering it to an opengl textue?
[11:39] <dcm1977> ok so just so you know if your rapitest multimeter starts lying about voltages it is time to change the battery. My 4.7V pi output seems to be 3.3v now!
[11:40] <bircoe> get a Fluke :)
[11:40] <[deXter]> Now just need to figure out how to configure the wifi..
[11:40] <bircoe> sanone, somes like programming at a level that is over my head
[11:40] <bircoe> Wifi is easy
[11:40] <bircoe> plug in Wifi adapter
[11:40] <bircoe> goto Programs
[11:40] <[deXter]> Programs? O.o
[11:40] <bircoe> OpenELEC OS Settings
[11:41] <bircoe> Network Tab
[11:41] <Amorsen> You would think that a multimeter would be able to measure its battery voltage...
[11:41] <[deXter]> lol
[11:41] <sanone> bircoe: most of this is new for me as well.. but there just doesn't seem to be any information on this
[11:41] <bircoe> Change Network Technology to WLAN
[11:41] <bircoe> Change Network Interface to wlan0
[11:42] <sanone> asking the broadcom chip to render ends up in a black box
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[11:42] <bircoe> go down a bit and plug in your wifi details... unfortunately no pretty GUI for picking the SSID
[11:42] <bircoe> then reboot
[11:42] <[deXter]> bircoe, It's only showing it as static ip..
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[11:46] <bircoe> ignore that
[11:46] <bircoe> don't touch that
[11:46] <bircoe> if you leave that setting alone it will DHCP
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[11:48] <[deXter]> oh
[11:48] <[deXter]> too late :P
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[12:15] <[deXter]> This is awesome.. playing 1080p 5.1 video without any lag :D
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[12:17] <des2> congrats deXter
[12:18] <[deXter]> thanks!
[12:18] <[deXter]> Just need to check if my battery pack is pushing out enough power for my pi..
[12:18] <[deXter]> keyboard seems a bit weird
[12:18] <bircoe> on a crt tv :P
[12:18] <des2> battery pack ? uh oh.
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[12:19] <[deXter]> Yeah, it's a belkin USB pack.. 5V @ 2A, or so it says
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[12:20] <[deXter]> Connected my 1TB portable drive to the Pi, as well as my wireless keyboard and muouse
[12:20] <des2> since the PI has a 1.1A polyfuse the 2A should be fine but batteries won't last too long.
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[12:21] <[deXter]> Is that why the pi reboots when I plug/unplug a USB device?
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[12:22] <des2> That reboot on plugin is a common issue apparently related to insufficient power.
[12:22] <bircoe> des2, I have an Aldi branded USB battery pack that runs my Pi for over 8 hours playing media via XBMC... i can't remember it's exact capacity but it could be 8aH
[12:23] <discopig> that's crazy
[12:23] <des2> The PI will draw 500-700mA (not iincluding any USB things plugged in)
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[12:23] <des2> 8 hours+ would be achievable with a 8aH battery
[12:23] <[deXter]> I remember reading that the newer versions will allow usb devices to draw more power or something of that sort?
[12:24] <des2> They removed the 2 140mA polyfuses on the USB ports
[12:24] <des2> On later revision 1 and all revision 2
[12:24] <[deXter]> ah okay
[12:25] <bircoe> i spent 15 mins earlier replacing the fuses on my rev 1 board with a piece of offcut from a diode :)
[12:25] <bircoe> the USB fuses anyway, the main fuse is in place still
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[12:28] <[deXter]> btw
[12:28] <[deXter]> Anyone here used one of those portable mini projectors?
[12:28] <mgottschlag> hey, is there any raspberrypi kernel which is build with proper access to /dev/mem?
[12:29] <nid0> hm, rs now selling via apc boards
[12:29] <dreamreal> mgottschlag: what is "proper access"?
[12:29] <dreamreal> hmm, elinux' OS wizard always suggests the same OS, no matter what you do :)
[12:29] <mgottschlag> well, I always get "Operation not permitted" because of the kernel config (forgot how the config parameter is called)
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[12:30] <dreamreal> mgottschlag: did you provide access via su?
[12:30] <dreamreal> I mean, it's linux; memory is protected by design
[12:30] <mgottschlag> yes
[12:30] <mgottschlag> I believe it is because of CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM
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[12:30] <mgottschlag> I'll try again though just to be sure
[12:31] <dreamreal> that's probably a good thing, though
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[12:42] <bagpuss_thecat> nid0: I've been tempted to get one for a while now
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[12:55] <Lexip> "The letter Q walks into a hexadecimal bar. The barman asks "Why the wrong base?""
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> Lexip, Your coat is over there ... ->
[13:01] <Lexip> :-(
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> Well... almost as bad as: A man with an iPhone walks into a bar and orders a haircut...
[13:03] <Lexip> Love it
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> A polygon is a parrot that's left home.
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> If one synchronised swimmer drowns.. Do they all drown?
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> If a stealth fighter crashes in an empty forest ... does it make a noise?
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[13:07] <Lexip> Are these all from memory?
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[13:08] <Armand> Well, they must have passed through RAM... -_-
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[13:09] <[SLB]> lol
[13:10] <Armand> What bone will a dog never eat?
[13:10] <Anppa> trombone?
[13:10] <Armand> damn you. :P
[13:10] <Anppa> lucky guess, haven't heard that one before
[13:10] <Armand> Who can shave 25 times a day and still have a beard?
[13:11] <Anppa> easy
[13:11] <Anppa> will not spoil :D
[13:11] <Armand> lol
[13:11] <Armand> A barber. -_-
[13:11] <Anppa> might also be a reference to adult entertainment industry :D
[13:11] <Armand> What did the rude prism say to the light beam that smacked into him?
[13:11] <Armand> Anppa!! ?_?
[13:11] <Anppa> it's a possibility! O:-]
[13:12] <Armand> What did the rude prism say to the light beam that smacked into him? "Get bent!"
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[13:15] <rupert> Hi guys, I'm trying to use cmus to play music from the console, but for some reason it will only work when I run cmus as root, otherwise it says it cannot open the device. Is this normal? I tried adding my non-root user to the 'audio' group but that doesn't seem to make a difference.
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[13:16] <Armand> What's Mary short for?
[13:17] <Armand> She's got no legs..
[13:17] <Lexip> LOL
[13:17] <Lexip> These are terrible, love it!
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[13:17] <Armand> What is a dentist's favorite musical instrument?
[13:18] <Armand> A tuba toothpaste.
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[13:18] <Armand> Why does a chicken coop have only two doors?
[13:18] <Armand> If it had four, it would be a chicken sedan.
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[13:20] <chris_99> you peeps seen this http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimoroni/picade-the-arcade-cabinet-kit-for-your-raspberry-p
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> =/
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't like it >=/
[13:26] <Armand> Meh
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[13:31] <Armand> I'm keen to post my project to Kickstarter, but.. I'm awful when it comes to figures and planning and such. :P
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[13:31] <Lexip> What project might that be?
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> not sure about that arcade cabinet thingy...
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> it looks neat, but ...
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> Lexip, yes - they were from memory - my brain jsut doesn't know when to forget stuff.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> like the money he needs - ?2^15
[13:33] <Lexip> Most of what I remember is useles junk hah
[13:33] <Armand> Same here. -_-
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[15:09] <LordThumper> Hi
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[15:10] <LordThumper> I just received my 512MB RPI :)
[15:10] <jelly1> good
[15:10] <LordThumper> I am looking to get started, what do I need apart from an MicroSD ?
[15:10] <jelly1> an SD card
[15:10] <jelly1> usb power supply
[15:11] <dreamreal> LordThumper: cool
[15:11] <tripgod> a keyboard
[15:11] <dreamreal> an HDMI display of some kind
[15:12] <jelly1> internet to google
[15:12] <LordThumper> Is it possible to connect it to my router, and SSH into it?
[15:12] <Armand> LordThumper, a major concern is using a power supply of decent quality.
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[15:12] <Armand> Yes, once ssh is set up.
[15:12] <tripgod> LordThumper, yes
[15:12] <tripgod> some distros even have ssh setup by default
[15:12] <Armand> ^
[15:12] <LordThumper> Ah that's good :)
[15:13] <LordThumper> Regarding the power supply, I was going to connect it to my PC using a USB cable
[15:13] <Armand> I'm using Raspbian myself, which requires you to *enable* ssh.. very easy through the setup menu
[15:13] <jelly1> LordThumper: i wouldnt
[15:13] <jelly1> HTC chargers work nice
[15:13] <peejay> i only use an SD card, power supply, and an Ethernet cable on mine
[15:13] <Armand> As do genuine Apple chargers
[15:13] <LordThumper> Ok, got an HTC charger ready :)
[15:14] <LordThumper> Last thing, I was going to buy the key for MPEG2 decoding
[15:14] <LordThumper> I assume software decoding would be too slow?
[15:15] <LordThumper> (i.e. processor not fast enough)
[15:15] <tripgod> setup your pi first
[15:15] <LordThumper> yeah, need to go buy the SD Card first
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[15:17] <tripgod> LordThumper, you may find that your RPi is screwed up. My red and blue colors are crossed
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[15:19] <LordThumper> ouch :/
[15:19] <LordThumper> Is that phono or HDMI?
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[15:21] <Nodgic> Hello
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[15:22] <Nodgic> I get ?no signal? when booting up my raspberry
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[15:33] <arcanescu> ive got the latest wheezy which supports overclocking on setting to 900Mhz and rebooting i still bootup at 700 (viewer from cat /proc/cpuinfo) -> do i need to increase my voltage from 5v?
[15:34] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: you still here?
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[15:35] <des2> No 5v is fine
[15:35] <des2> voltage is increased internally
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[15:35] <arcanescu> des2: on reboot im not getting the speed
[15:36] <arcanescu> still at 700....
[15:36] <arcanescu> this is rpi rev c
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, hello..
[15:38] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: I might have a patch for wiringPi's gpio command in a bit
[15:38] <dreamreal> (minor fix: "gpio write 4 on" <-- "on" instead of "1")
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[15:38] <des2> Do you have the Oct 30 wheezy ?
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[15:38] <arcanescu> des2: 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.zip this one just downloaded it
[15:41] <des2> ok
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, oh. Hm. ok.
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[15:42] <des2> arm_freq=900
[15:42] <des2> over_voltage=2
[15:42] <des2> Have those 2 settings ?
[15:42] <arcanescu> where? im just using raspi-config to overclock
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[15:42] <DeliriumTremens> i'm not sure its necessary to overvolt for 900 freq
[15:43] <DeliriumTremens> i'm not ;)
[15:43] <des2> config.txt
[15:43] <des2> You may be right DT
[15:43] <DeliriumTremens> i think i'm at arm_freq=900,core_freq=300
[15:43] <DeliriumTremens> no ov
[15:43] <arcanescu> des2: config.text is in the filesystem? or boot ?
[15:44] <arcanescu> i should not use the raspi-config?
[15:44] <cubicool> is Bryan Cole (the author of the rpi_video_core Python library) in this IRC channel?
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[15:44] <des2> /boot/config.txt
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[15:45] <arcanescu> armfreq = 800 corefreq=250 sdramfreq=400 overvolt=0
[15:45] <arcanescu> i set it for 800 you see
[15:46] <arcanescu> its not even going to 800
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[15:46] <arcanescu> let me put it at 900 to see what i get in config.txt
[15:47] <des2> Is that a cut and paste or did u type it ?
[15:47] <arcanescu> des2: typed it
[15:47] <arcanescu> lemme pastebin it
[15:47] <arcanescu> didnt want to make a mess in the channel
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[15:48] <arcanescu> des2: http://pastebin.com/whwr96Yn
[15:50] <arcanescu> well i did cpufreq-info it says 700 but i am allowed till 900
[15:50] <arcanescu> so i did cpufreq-set -f 900MHz
[15:50] <arcanescu> and now im at 900 according to
[15:50] <arcanescu> cpufreq-info :/
[15:50] <des2> heh
[15:51] <arcanescu> but ironically cat/proc/cpuinfo still states im at 697
[15:51] <arcanescu> which is the right one :) ?
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[15:56] <des2> So are there any sucessful overclockers here that can assist arcanescu ?
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[15:56] <DeliriumTremens> im using raspbmc, set mine through xbmc, i wont be much help
[15:57] <des2> you have /proc/cpuinfo yes ?
[15:57] <arcanescu> des2: :) thanks... well im not sure im just going to experiment I have 2 different set of infos one from cat /proc/cpuinfo
[15:57] <arcanescu> and 1 from cpufreq-info
[15:57] <DeliriumTremens> yus
[15:57] <DeliriumTremens> 898.66
[15:58] <arcanescu> 1 says im at 697 Bogo mips the other says im at 1000MHz (I set the overclock to 1000) now
[15:58] <des2> Oh you know what a bogomips is ?
[15:58] <des2> It's not cpu freq.
[15:59] <arcanescu> okay... so how come Delirium is at 898
[15:59] <arcanescu> and im at 697
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[15:59] <[SLB]> you may have your governor set to powersave
[15:59] <arcanescu> [SLB]: hmmm how do i get it off powersave?
[16:00] <Anppa> do bogomips get recalculated on cpu freq tweaking after boot?
[16:00] <arcanescu> Anppa: i thought they did
[16:01] <[SLB]> they don't
[16:01] <[SLB]> arcanescu, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[16:01] <[SLB]> what does it say
[16:01] <arcanescu> [SLB]: userspace
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[16:02] <arcanescu> i mean thats the output from the cat
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[16:03] <[SLB]> and cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq ?
[16:03] <arcanescu> 1000000
[16:03] <arcanescu> which seems right
[16:03] <[SLB]> su -c 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'
[16:04] <arcanescu> [SLB]: what is that command supposed to do>
[16:04] <[SLB]> set the governor to ondemand
[16:04] <arcanescu> okay its done, restart?
[16:05] <[SLB]> which you have to do at boot time
[16:05] <[SLB]> it's active already but if you reboot you lose it
[16:05] <arcanescu> its back to 700 now
[16:05] <[SLB]> what do you mean
[16:05] <arcanescu> cpufreq-info tells me im at 700
[16:05] <arcanescu> i had set it to : 10000
[16:05] <arcanescu> 1000MHz
[16:05] <arcanescu> extra 0 *typo
[16:06] <[SLB]> do cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq while stressing the cpu
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[16:07] <arcanescu> 1000000
[16:07] <arcanescu> ive set it back to 1000MHz before that command
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[16:08] <[SLB]> so it works
[16:08] <DeliriumTremens> well i was going to order a Raspi t-shirt, but not when it's going to cost me $35
[16:08] <arcanescu> [SLB]: yes the point being that setting freq through just overclock util does not do it
[16:08] <DeliriumTremens> at that rate, i'd just get another pi
[16:09] <arcanescu> you have to cpufrq-set -f it to actually make it go to that
[16:09] <[SLB]> you need this script to be ran at boot time http://pastebin.com/wxLH4xG1
[16:09] <[SLB]> i don't have those commands, i don't know
[16:10] <arcanescu> [SLB]: they come with cpufrequtils...
[16:10] <arcanescu> [SLB]: thanks ill try this now to see if it does anything
[16:10] <[SLB]> i mean, i don't have them and still my overclock works fine
[16:10] <arcanescu> [SLB]: wher edo i need to put this script?
[16:11] <[SLB]> i have it at /etc/init.d/switch_cpu_governor
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[16:11] <[SLB]> and enabled at boot with update-rc.d
[16:11] <arcanescu> let me have a look
[16:12] <[SLB]> but i didn't create it myself, i got it along the way with automatic updates, so i wonder why you don't have it
[16:12] <[SLB]> yesterday too someone else had the same issue, not sure
[16:12] <arcanescu> slb: i have this switch_cpu_governor
[16:12] <arcanescu> at /etc/init.d
[16:12] <[SLB]> ah good
[16:12] <[SLB]> just enable it then
[16:12] <arcanescu> let me see if it is enabled in rc.d
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[16:16] <arcanescu> update-rc.d switch_cpu_governer defaults?
[16:16] <arcanescu> should i add to default run level?
[16:16] <[SLB]> yes
[16:20] <arcanescu> update-rc.d switch_cpu_governor defaults
[16:20] <[SLB]> yes
[16:20] <arcanescu> i did get a message at start saying setting cpugovernor to on demand
[16:20] <arcanescu> i just did cpufreq-info after boot still says 700 MHz :D
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[16:21] <arcanescu> [ok] switching to ondemand scaling governor :]
[16:22] <[SLB]> cpufreq-info | grep hardware\ limits
[16:22] <arcanescu> 700-1000MHz
[16:22] <[SLB]> so it does work
[16:22] <arcanescu> but the current speed is at 700
[16:23] <[SLB]> sure if you're not stretting it, it won't switch up
[16:23] <[SLB]> *stressing
[16:23] <arcanescu> ah
[16:23] <[SLB]> that's the ondemand governor
[16:23] <arcanescu> on demand
[16:23] <arcanescu> :]
[16:23] <[SLB]> :3
[16:23] <arcanescu> :]... thanks....
[16:23] <[SLB]> yw :)
[16:24] <[SLB]> if you want it always overclocked just set it to performance
[16:24] <[SLB]> but it's unnecessary eheh
[16:25] <arcanescu> [SLB]: yea i remeber now i had the governer set on my beagleboard on performance
[16:25] <arcanescu> im a beagleboard user :P
[16:25] <[SLB]> eheh
[16:25] <arcanescu> testing if i can port my apps here
[16:26] <[SLB]> nice
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[16:31] <arcanescu> the pi does not power usb devices through usb port? do i need a powered hub for this?
[16:31] <IT_Sean> You need a powered hub for anything besides a basic mouse / keyboard, bascially.
[16:32] <arcanescu> IT_Sean: thanks..
[16:32] <IT_Sean> No prob.
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[16:38] <Topcat> hey, does anyone have a rev2 piface board? Does anyone have any docs on the jumpers on it
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> I have one.
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> I don't have documentation on the jumpers - yet. but the 2 closest to the relays are connected to the relays..
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[16:42] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: I just spent the morning wracking my brain on why "gpio write 7 on" wasn't working :)
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> the others I don't think you'll ever need to fiddle with.
[16:42] <Topcat> there's three there whats the middle one?
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[16:42] <Topcat> haha :)
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> hang on I'll get mine..
[16:43] <Topcat> is it best not to fiddle with those while its on or?
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> right - the 2 jumpers in the middle are to do with the chip-selects on the I2C chip - I soldered them into my Mk1.
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> So leave them.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> have you got yours going yet? I put support in wiringPi for them.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> there's a little test program too.
[16:45] <Topcat> yeah but I'm new to this. All I've got is the leds to flash like KIT haha. Just wondering if I pull the jumpers to the relays to stop them clicking
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> yes, just pull one at a time and see if it makes a difference...
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[16:46] <arcanescu> [SLB]: to set at performance do i need to change this line in switch_governer : SYS_CPUFREQ_GOVERNOR=/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ?
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. how do people upload big videos to youtube... I've just done a 3 minutes one that's ended up 102MB in size. I've another 10-15 minutes to go yet - it's going to be Gb -that'll take all night to upload )-:
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[16:49] <rikkus> With decent Internet connections
[16:49] <scummos> that sounds too large
[16:49] <Topcat> if you use some compression on them by running the source through handbrake or autoGK they should end up a more sensible size. those sound raw
[16:49] <scummos> probably you're using an unsuitable format?
[16:49] <scummos> try encoding them in, whatever, webm
[16:49] <nid0> use a compressed format rather than raw video
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[16:50] <Dagger2> 102 MB for 3 minutes isn't raw, unless it's very low resolution
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> It's exported via "OpenShot" for Youtube HD quality.
[16:51] <nid0> its a crappy compression, if its compressed
[16:51] <Dagger2> 180x120 at 10 FPS would about do it for raw...
[16:52] <scummos> I think if you encode it in like webm, it might shrink to 10MB or so
[16:52] <scummos> but I don't have a lot of experience with video formats ;p
[16:53] <Topcat> gordonDrogon: is your board labeled like my rev? These jumpers are called JP4, 6 and 5
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> I'll trust openshot for now.
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> Topcat, yes I think so.
[16:54] * gordonDrogon fetches a magnifier
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> yes, 6,5&4
[16:54] <Topcat> JP6 and JP5 are the left and right relays respectively. So I don't know what jp4 does
[16:54] <Topcat> that's the middle and closes to 8 leds jumper
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> pester them for the circuit diagram.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> did you buy it from them? I didn't think it was ready for sale yet.
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> their shop still isn't 'open' ...
[16:57] <Topcat> A friend of mine went up to a thing in Manchester when Ebon Upton did his screencast recently. Picked it up from them there. Put it on my desk and said "play with that"
[16:57] <relik> Hello!
[16:57] <relik> I have a small and simple question
[16:58] <relik> When will be the 5MP sensor be available?
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> Topcat, ok. I've no idea how much tehy're going to sell the mk2 for - any ideas?
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> relik, the camera?
[16:58] <relik> yes
[16:58] <Topcat> none, I assume ??30 like the rev 1 was supposed to be?
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> relik, no idea, but keep reading here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=44
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> that's probably the best place to get news for it.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> Topcat, Eben was talking to them about getting the price down for the mk2, so who knows. they were made in the UK too from what I gather, but the boards makes no mention of that..
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> right - smells like my lunch is finally cooked - back inna bit!
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[17:01] <Topcat> No my board just has a URL on it. Did say from the UK in the blog though didn't they.
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[17:14] <arcanescu> well i tried to : resize the filesystem to take the remaining space on the sd card... and rebooted, once that was done I put the sd card to the PC now the filesystem is corrupted any idea to why this occurs?
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[17:22] <nid0> corrupted how
[17:23] <yinkum> Anybody have any luck with the d-link dwa-131 wireless dongle?
[17:23] <arcanescu> i plugged it into the pc it says unable to mount corrupted SD card
[17:23] <arcanescu> it mounts the boot parition fine but not the rootfs
[17:24] <nid0> what os is on your pc?
[17:24] <arcanescu> ubuntu
[17:24] <arcanescu> 11.04
[17:24] <nid0> just run fsck over the rootfs then
[17:24] <arcanescu> nid0: ill try that thanks
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[17:28] <LordThumper> Anyone using RPI as a media center?
[17:29] <LordThumper> I need to connect it to my decoder using SCART or Coaxial
[17:29] <LordThumper> The signal should already be decoded
[17:29] <sKeiths> i plan to.
[17:29] <sKeiths> but output via hdmi
[17:30] <LordThumper> What connector should I search for
[17:30] <LordThumper> ?
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[17:30] <LordThumper> Also, the OTA signal is encoded as MPEG2 right?
[17:30] <LordThumper> sKeiths: Yeah, I want to output using hdmi to tv too
[17:30] <sKeiths> is there not an RCA video conncetor onboard. i will check tech sheet.
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[17:30] <LordThumper> yes there is
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[17:31] <sKeiths> rca video is a pin on scart. you can get scart to rca video in leads.
[17:31] <LordThumper> However the set top box (the decoder) only outputs SCART and Coaxial
[17:31] <LordThumper> Oh that's awesome
[17:32] <sKeiths> http://pinouts.ru/images/scart_adap.gif the video (yellow) is direct compatible with onboard connector
[17:33] <Holden> LordThumper, you need something like this http://www.nedis.it/images/products/SCART%2050.JPG
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[17:38] <arcanescu> nid0: still corrupted.... ive remounted the image and im using gparted to extend the parititon
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[17:38] <Sonny_Jim> arcanescu: Does this only happen if you resize past 2GB?
[17:38] <LordThumper> Ok I found a SCART to RCA cable
[17:39] <LordThumper> :)
[17:39] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: I just did it only once so i have a 4GB card
[17:39] <LordThumper> Er, is the audio component RCA too?
[17:39] <LordThumper> Seems to be.. different
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> I had a problem where the 16GB card I was sold was actually just a 2GB that had been modified to report back as 16GB
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> So it would work fine, right up until I resized it
[17:39] <Sonny_Jim> And I tried everything, different PSU's, different methods of resizing
[17:39] <sKeiths> audio is 3.5 mm jack, like a walkman.
[17:40] <muxe> Hey, whats wrong when I only hear noise over headphones when I play music? I use raspian with the latest kernel. sound module appears in lsmod and I only get noise when I play something. I use aplay with an ogg file. With "speaker-test" I get the noise only on the left or right channel, depending on what speaker it's testing
[17:40] <LordThumper> ouch
[17:40] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: thats a first a card that was modified to report 16GB but actually being 2GB
[17:40] <arcanescu> they can do that :O ?
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> arcanescu: Not really
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[17:40] <LordThumper> I had a cheap USB drive that did that
[17:40] <arcanescu> AI_SD_Cards :]
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[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> It loops round after 2GB, so it kills itself
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> Here's a test
[17:40] <arcanescu> Do they do this at the driver level or what?
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> Hardware level
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> Here's a test:
[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> lick your finger and try to rub off the markings on the card
[17:41] <sKeiths> LordThumper , these exist http://www.yourcablehookup.com/images/cables/40645f.jpg
[17:41] <muxe> lol
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[17:41] <LordThumper> sKeiths: Awesome thanks
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[17:42] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: it isnt a practical joke right?
[17:42] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
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[17:42] <Sonny_Jim> I did it to my ones and the markings came right off
[17:42] <arcanescu> them chinese kids are smart (no offence to china btw)
[17:42] <nid0> arcanescu: its not an uncommon thing with cheapo cards, its been done with external hard disks as well
[17:42] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: it wont come off its a kingston
[17:43] <nid0> you get the thing in its nice neat plastic case but crack it open and instead of a 1TB hard drive inside, theres a brick and a 2GB usb thumbdrive set to loop and report 1TB
[17:43] <arcanescu> nid0: its the first ive come across it jeez
[17:43] <arcanescu> wow... brick hah
[17:43] <IT_Sean> O_o
[17:43] <Sonny_Jim> arcanescu: Try making a partition on the disk, then filling the disk
[17:43] <nid0> arcanescu:
[17:43] <nid0> http://www.slashgear.com/fake-hard-drive-has-short-term-memory-not-500gb-08145144/
[17:44] <nid0> first example in google
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[17:44] <nid0> external HDD thats actually a couple of metal bolts for weight plus a thumb drive
[17:44] <Sonny_Jim> The dd image works as it only writes to the first 2GB
[17:44] <arcanescu> hahahaha :D .... that link is amazing
[17:44] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: yes i dded the image then i gparted the drive to extend seems to be working now
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[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> arcanescu: If it keeps on doing it, don't use dd to partition it
[17:45] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: any alternatives?
[17:45] <Sonny_Jim> Try making a partion that fills the whole disk with gparted, copy a load of files onto it
[17:46] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, it could just be you've been unlucky, or you could have a dodgy card.
[17:46] <arcanescu> thats a better idea I guess...
[17:47] <arcanescu> I just need to test something port my apps here to see if i could work with this platform.
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[17:47] <Sonny_Jim> It's a pain because it takes ages, but once bitten twice shy, so I intend to do this to any new card I get
[17:47] <Sonny_Jim> Like I said, spent ages denying it could be the card
[17:47] <arcanescu> true...
[17:48] <Sonny_Jim> In the end I just left it at 2GB until my new cards turn up
[17:48] <arcanescu> 2GB just isnt enough at the moment for me im doing some gstreamer stuff
[17:49] <arcanescu> space hungry
[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> Another option would be a network mount, but it would be slow
[17:49] <arcanescu> nfs
[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> Or plugging in a USB harddisk
[17:49] <Sonny_Jim> In fact depending on the distro, it should be fairly easy to copy the image to a USB hard disk and use that as /
[17:49] <arcanescu> i tried nfs on the beagle and smiliar it was a bit slow really
[17:50] <Sonny_Jim> Can't be any slower than Linux on an Risc PC ;-)
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[17:51] <arcanescu> yea i mean 'slow' is qualititive until i put a number to it :]
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[17:54] <arcanescu> anygood recommended hubs for the PI-> which do not software emulate and reduce the rate through the port ?
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[17:56] <evilbetty> bah
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[18:01] <arcanescu> I keep getting this message on apt-get updates or any package Use of uninitialized value $value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 65, <$__ANONIO__> line 828.
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[18:03] <Sonny_Jim> arcanescu: Take the SD card out and fsck it on a laptop/PC
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[18:04] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: are these signs of corruption yet again?
[18:04] <Sonny_Jim> Yup
[18:04] <Sonny_Jim> Did you resize the card past 2GB?
[18:04] <arcanescu> yes only the rootfs
[18:04] <arcanescu> which is now 3.69 gb
[18:05] <Sonny_Jim> There you go then
[18:05] <Sonny_Jim> I've got 20pence that says you've got a dodgy card that is actually 2GB but reports as bigger
[18:05] <arcanescu> :))
[18:09] <Hopsy> I have 550 Watt power supply, can I use this videocard without any problems? http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/HD7950DC2T3GD5V2/#specifications
[18:10] <nid0> depends on what else is in the machine, but assuming its a decent 550w supply you should be fine
[18:11] <yaMatt> if you're buying a graphics card like that you might as well buy a kick-ass PSU
[18:11] <[SLB]> woo 3 slots?
[18:11] <Hopsy> hmm, I have an core i7
[18:11] <Hopsy> uhm
[18:12] <Hopsy> one ssd, one hdd
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[18:12] <Hopsy> and 16 gb ram, nothing more
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[18:12] <nid0> fwiw sticking my nose in, a 7950 xfx double d black edition is every bit as good but cheaper and uses a slot less
[18:13] <[SLB]> why ati btw ._.
[18:15] <Hopsy> ati?
[18:15] <chithead> ati was bought by amd some time ago, they no longer exist as brand or independent company
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[18:16] <nid0> no need for pedantry though, its perfectly obvious when he says ati he means amd
[18:16] <[SLB]> still heritage, not nvidia nonetheless :3
[18:16] <[SLB]> ^
[18:16] <Hopsy> [SLB]: I dont know, It looked nice :p
[18:16] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:16] <chithead> the 7950 will be a good choice if you plan on using gpu compute
[18:16] <nid0> it is a decent card
[18:16] <Hopsy> [SLB]: is nvidea beter?
[18:16] <nid0> or rather, the 7950 in general is decent, I wouldnt get an asus direcu one though
[18:16] <Hopsy> better *
[18:17] <nid0> Hopsy: asking that's like asking vi nano or emacs
[18:17] <Hopsy> :p
[18:17] <nid0> everyone will defend to the death their preference
[18:17] <Hopsy> haha
[18:17] <chithead> I know a better analogy: western digital, seagate, hitachi or samsung hdds
[18:17] <[SLB]> i think depending on what your target is, but i prefer nvidia, there may be a reason why at univ they hold courses on nvidia architecture
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[18:18] <sKeiths> i prefer aee :D
[18:18] <chithead> the reason why they teach nvidia at universities is cuda
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[18:18] <[SLB]> yes, that too
[18:19] <chithead> but the relevance of cuda is diminishing and a shift to opencl is underway
[18:19] <nid0> frankly in any given price point there's usually not a huge amount of difference either way. i've typically preferred ati for years because their multimonitor support always used to be better, but other than for the few weeks immediately after one or the other releases a brand new architecture to briefly blow the other away, there's typically not much in it in terms of performance
[18:19] <Hopsy> I mean do you get what you paid for? which one is cheaper when I compere together?
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[18:20] <Hopsy> its a difficult choice for me :'(
[18:21] <Hopsy> I dont know much about the two companies
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[18:21] <[SLB]> i've never been disappointed by nvidia cards and if i'm to buy a new one will be nvidia as well, i know this may be a subjective opinion but it makes statistics
[18:21] <Hopsy> neither the graphic cards
[18:21] <[SLB]> are you getting it mostly for playing?
[18:21] <chithead> as you don't say anything about your use case, it is hard to give useful advice
[18:21] <[SLB]> ^
[18:21] <nid0> assuming that asus is roughly your budget, as I said i'd save a few ?? and get the xfx double d black edition version of the 7950, but thats me
[18:21] <Hopsy> uhm, I will play games but not much
[18:22] <nid0> the nvidia alternative would be a 660 or 670 ish
[18:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Hopsy: maybe check tomshardware for some benchmarks. I prefer amd/ati since you get better performance for the same price and since intel has done very dodgy things in the past.
[18:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Hopsy: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html
[18:23] <[SLB]> also for linux support, at least until some years ago, ati was a bit troublesome from what my friends have told me, they had asus notebooks
[18:23] <ShiftPlusOne> no troubles here
[18:24] <Hopsy> btw, I found this graphic card from this link: http://tweakers.net/reviews/2817/4/desktop-best-buy-guide-editie-november-2012-high-end-gamesysteem.html
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[18:25] <chithead> the amd proprietary driver is geared towards ubuntu. if you use another distro, you might have to jump through some extra hoops
[18:25] <chithead> for the free drivers, they should work on any distro
[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, I am using the proprietary driver in mint (which is essentially ubuntu), so perhaps.
[18:26] <ShiftPlusOne> But I do tend to distro hop every now and then and the hardware hasn't caused me any trouble.
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[18:29] <ShiftPlusOne> but again, the decision is mostly based on my dislike of intel and the premium you pay for the intel label. I would imagine that intel has higher quality drivers and is overall better supported.
[18:30] <arcanescu> on running autogen.sh on one of my apps i get: Unquoted string "methods" may clash with future reserved word at /usr/share/autoconf/Autom4te/XFile.pm line 1. and similar errors
[18:30] <arcanescu> is there a version clash here?
[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> and why do I keep saying Intel? I was thinking of CPUs. >.>
[18:31] <ShiftPlusOne> (replace all instances of Intel with Nvidia <.<)
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[19:02] <chris_99> does raspbian not support CEC?
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[19:20] <nimtz> do you guys know if anyone compiled vitetris for raspbian (or armhf)
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[19:23] <nimtz> and is there a site where you can get raspbian binaries or deb packages
[19:24] <nimtz> (im thinking about making one if there isnt)
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[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> why not download straight from the repos? O_o
[19:25] <arcanescu> in order to get a usb webcam working do i need some driver? or shud work out of the obx?
[19:25] <arcanescu> *box
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[19:26] <ShiftPlusOne> arcanescu: depends on the webcam.
[19:27] <arcanescu> is there a list which tells the ones tested? including some capturecards?
[19:27] <muxe> all cams I tried "worked" out of the box
[19:27] <muxe> but none of them really worked ;)
[19:27] <muxe> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Webcams
[19:27] <arcanescu> muxe: heh
[19:28] <muxe> whoops down atm
[19:28] <arcanescu> 404
[19:28] <muxe> yesterday it worked
[19:28] <arcanescu> now it doesnt relaly 'work' :p
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> arcanescu: do you run linux and do you already have the webcam you want to use?
[19:28] <arcanescu> what about capture cards? easycap hauppage alike?
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[19:29] <arcanescu> ShiftPlusOne: yes a logitech one
[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Then plug it in your computer... if it works under whatever distro you're running, it will probably work on the pi.
[19:30] <arcanescu> ubuntu 11.04
[19:30] <arcanescu> ill give that a go.
[19:31] <arcanescu> what kernel version is wheezy running?
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[19:50] <[SLB]> http://www.slblabs.com/2012/09/26/rpi-webcam-stream
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[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> how much bandwidth would such a stream use?
[19:51] <Spiffy> Depends on how many are watching
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[19:51] <netchip> Hi everyone
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> 1
[19:52] <[SLB]> also on the resolution and fps
[19:52] <[SLB]> hi
[19:52] <ShiftPlusOne> any ballpark guess on the range?
[19:53] <Spiffy> 1? 256-512kbit/sec upload
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[19:53] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[20:27] <Natch> Netgear WG111v3 usb wifi dongle works fine with the rpi using rtl8187, in case anyone was wondering
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[20:29] <peejay> anyone playing with alsa & arch on their pi?
[20:29] <peejay> i'm getting some hang-ups when trying to access the sound device by more than one application
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[20:31] <peejay> i thought maybe it was libao because using pianobar & playing a sound with aplay was crashing it
[20:31] <peejay> but aplay + aplay does it as well
[20:32] <peejay> it will play all that is left in it's buffer if you keep opening the device to play a new sound
[20:32] <peejay> but only in chunks
[20:32] <peejay> when the buffer is clear, the whole thing hangs
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[20:42] <nimtz> ShiftPlusOne: i mean for stuff that isnt on the repos
[20:42] <nimtz> like vitetris
[20:43] <nimtz> or crawl 11
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[21:18] <_yac_> so i'm thinking about setting up a cross-compiler on my mac for raspberry pi.i use clang here and it seems about as good as gcc or better mem-wise. anyone aware of anyone doing something similar?
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[21:23] <scummos> i think executables generated by clang are tendentially a bit slower than those generated by gcc
[21:24] <scummos> that information might be outdated tough
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[21:59] <Peetz0r> Can omxplayer playback v4l2? Or how would I get the video from a usb webcam on the screen?
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[22:00] <knoppies> Peetz0r, I don't know but I am also interested in that answer.
[22:02] <Rudeviper> I still haven't been able to get anything to play at all on the pi
[22:03] <linuxstb> AFAIK, omxplayer has no software video decoding, so it can only play the codecs supported by the GPU (h264/MPEG-4 ASP/MPEG-2/VC-1)
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[22:05] <Peetz0r> well, I'm playing youtube in 1080p right now
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[22:08] <Peetz0r> try sudo omxplayer http://haas-en-berg.nl/test.mp4
[22:08] <chithead> _yac_: I found that clang produces significantly slower code than gcc
[22:08] <knoppies> Peetz0r, I haven't managed to play anything in the omxplayer, but I haven't exactly spent a lot of time trying.
[22:09] <_yac_> ahh so gcc is preferred then. i only like clang when it produces as fast code with a smaller footprint
[22:09] <Peetz0r> yea, but this just works (provided that yout network can do 5 MBit or so
[22:09] <_yac_> +as gcc
[22:09] <Peetz0r> your*
[22:10] <knoppies> Peetz0r, I will fire my Pi up now and test it.
[22:10] <Peetz0r> okay :)
[22:10] <knoppies> I recently downloaded the arch image and Im contemplating moving to it now or later.
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[22:11] <linuxstb> Peetz0r: For your webcam, you could try something like mplayer or vlc, but their performance will be very slow. Someone has written a GPU-accelerated display driver for mplayer, but I'm not sure if he ever released his code.
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[22:12] <Peetz0r> linuxstb: isn't there some way to get v4l2 input in omxplayer?
[22:12] <linuxstb> It depends what format that video is in.
[22:13] <Peetz0r> could very well be mjpeg, dunno for shure
[22:13] <Peetz0r> sure*
[22:15] <knoppies> Is YUV mjpeg? I always assumed it wasn't.
[22:15] <Peetz0r> I really wouldn't know
[22:15] <linuxstb> Then no, I don't think omxplayer supports mjpeg.
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[22:15] <linuxstb> YUV is just the colourspace used. mjpeg is the compression format.
[22:16] <linuxstb> jpeg (and other formats) typically get decompressed to YUV format, and then that needs to be converted to RGB for dipslay.
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[22:16] <linuxstb> The YUV to RGB conversion is quite slow, but can be done on the Pi's GPU if the software supports it.
[22:16] <Peetz0r> euh, the output is goind to be composite. isn't that YUV again?
[22:17] <Peetz0r> YUV => RGB => YUV :p
[22:17] <knoppies> Peetz0r, I hope its smart enough.
[22:17] <knoppies> thank you linuxstb
[22:18] <Peetz0r> I think the RGB => YUV conversion for the composite output happens somewhere in software, because I can already play video to composite without using much cpu
[22:19] <knoppies> guys, on the Pi my keyboard " key puts out @ (there are some others which are wrong too). I cannot find a key on the keyboard that will give me the " char. I've tried two different keyboards, same result. Im assuming its the language choice, any suggestions?
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[22:19] <knoppies> Peetz0r, software or hardware? I thought software used cpu/
[22:19] * IT_Sean scrapes the @ symbol off of knoppies's keyboard and draws on a " symbol
[22:20] <linuxstb> IT_Sean: What if knoppies wants to send an email?
[22:20] <knoppies> IT_Sean, the " symbol is already on the keyboard, but hitting that key yields @ instead of "
[22:20] * IT_Sean scrapes the ?? symbol off of knoppies's keyboard, and replaces it with an @
[22:20] <IT_Sean> linuxstb, better?
[22:20] <linuxstb> IT_Sean: I'm just confused now...
[22:21] <IT_Sean> knoppies, what layout do you have set up on the Pi, and what physical layout is the keyboard??
[22:21] * linuxstb buys knoppies a new keyboard
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[22:21] <knoppies> physical layout is the standard USA I think. I don't remember choosing a layout for the keyboard on the Pi, but I either chose en_US or en_NZ for the language.
[22:22] <Rudeviper> Peetz0r -how do you stop the video?
[22:22] <IT_Sean> At one time, the Pi defaulted to a UK keyboard layout. Dunno if that is still the case.
[22:22] <IT_Sean> I'm also not sure how to check the current layout, but, it sounds like a config issue.
[22:22] <Rudeviper> got it
[22:23] <netchip> Where can I get a RPi fast??
[22:23] <IT_Sean> you can't
[22:23] <knoppies> netchip, are there any on ebay?
[22:23] <IT_Sean> Get in line w/ everyone else
[22:23] <netchip> Within, let's say - 3 weeks
[22:23] <Peetz0r> Rudeviper: end omxplayer. try ctrl+c
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[22:23] <linuxstb> knoppies: Are you using Raspbian? raspi-config has a keyboard layout option
[22:23] <netchip> knoppies: Well, I'm searching a new one ;)
[22:24] <knoppies> IT_Sean, I think it is a config issue. I just opened up raspi-config and it does have keyboard layout (I dont remember seeing that before) so Im looking in there.
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[22:24] <knoppies> thanks linuxstb. Yes Raspbian, but i am going to try arch too.
[22:24] <IT_Sean> kinkydonuts.
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[22:26] <knoppies> IT_Sean, you were correct, it was using UK and not US. thanks.
[22:26] <Peetz0r> How do I change the audio volume? changing the only slider in alsamixer doesn't actually change the volume
[22:26] <IT_Sean> knoppies. Awesome. Glad to help.
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[22:26] <Rudeviper> Peetz0r still can't get it from youtube though? Why is that?
[22:27] <Peetz0r> you can, but the URL world be much longer
[22:27] <Peetz0r> would*
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[22:28] <knoppies> Rudeviper, maybe because the format my script downloads is not supported by omxplayer. I used the youtube-dl from someone else.
[22:28] <Peetz0r> sudo omxplayer "http://o-o---preferred---sn-5hn7sney---v19---lscache6.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?upn=LzKs2qRbwm0&sparams=cp%2Cgcr%2Cid%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Cratebypass%2Csource%2Cupn%2Cexpire&fexp=911614%2C910207%2C929207%2C916614%2C901447%2C922401%2C920704%2C912806%2C927201%2C925003%2C913546%2C913556%2C920201%2C900816%2C911112%2C901451&ms=au&expire=1351829077&itag=18&ipbits=8&gcr=nl&sver=3&ratebypass=yes&mt=1351805232&ip=
[22:28] <Peetz0r> ...=youtube&key=yt1&cp=U0hURlhNV19MUUNONF9QR0FBOnFCRHdjV1RrY0Ru&id=750c38c3d5a05dc4&title=Rick%20Astley%20-%20Never%20Gonna%20Give%20You%20Up&signature=34C3F166F8DEE4919FA63B8F1D572DD1061EA32B.0283D9247B2591B10B0915C1E31C820E42CC479E"
[22:28] <Rudeviper> what?
[22:28] <Peetz0r> wow, even so long it got split by irc :p
[22:28] <knoppies> Rudeviper, I will see if I can get omxplayer to go straight to youtube.
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[22:28] <Peetz0r> add them together and delete the ...'s
[22:28] <knoppies> Peetz0r, I think your client did that.
[22:29] <Peetz0r> knoppies: yes, it did, and if it would not do that, the the server would cut it off anyway
[22:29] <Rudeviper> I'm not copying and pasting - I am typing it in direct - using the url from youtube
[22:29] <Rudeviper> need to find a way to do it from the browser - properly
[22:29] <Peetz0r> What url? urls like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ point to a webpage, not a video file
[22:30] <Peetz0r> What you would need is a browser plugin that would take the raw video url and pass that to omxplayer
[22:30] <Rudeviper> aha
[22:30] <knoppies> what browsers are supported on the Pi?
[22:31] <IT_Sean> be RIGHT back
[22:31] <Peetz0r> anything that compiles for arm
[22:31] <Peetz0r> mostly midori
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[22:31] <Rudeviper> gnash ins't installed by default on pi
[22:31] <mythos> use youtube-dl -g for that. like mplayer "$( youtube-dl -g uri )" only with omxplayer
[22:31] <Peetz0r> gnash or flash player won't work
[22:31] <Peetz0r> I use the this userscript http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/39167 on my desktop, and copy/paste the urls into an ssh session on my Pi
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[22:31] <knoppies> Peetz0r, I don't like gnash or flash, so thats not a problem.
[22:31] <Rudeviper> it does on my main debian machine
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[22:32] <Peetz0r> best case, a patch for midori to render html5 <video> using omxplayer
[22:32] <Rudeviper> or get full version of firefox on pi - IF that is possible
[22:32] <Peetz0r> (this is the reason why flash sucks and html5 is awesome)
[22:32] <Rudeviper> and I don't mean iceweasel - that one is crap
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[22:32] <Peetz0r> iceweasel == firefox
[22:33] <Peetz0r> only rebranden
[22:33] <Peetz0r> rebranded*
[22:33] <Peetz0r> the name and logo are the only differences
[22:33] <Peetz0r> but one thing is for sure, flash player will never work on any browser on the Pi
[22:34] <Rudeviper> no - there are some major differences - iceweasel is a VERY cut down version - won
[22:34] <Rudeviper> 't support lots of stuff
[22:34] <Peetz0r> Rudeviper: I think you are comparinbg an old version of ice weasel to a recent version of firefox. check the version numbers.
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[22:35] <Rudeviper> whatever was in the package for pi
[22:35] <Peetz0r> okay, maybe the Pi version of iceweasel is a cut down version, but the x86 and amd64 versions of iceweasel are really the same as firefox
[22:36] <Peetz0r> I've not yet ran any browser other than midori on the Pi
[22:36] <Peetz0r> and I'm not planning on using firefox at all
[22:36] <Rudeviper> I am betting Chromium will work
[22:36] <Peetz0r> chromium might definately work, I bet google is working at it right now
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[22:38] <Rudeviper> still have to install the gnash and the icedtea
[22:39] <Peetz0r> gnash won't work for youtube (and a lot of other sites). gnash is compatible with some old versions of flash player, while youtube requires a more recent version
[22:39] <Peetz0r> did you know flash player did not have hardware acceleration at all until version 10?
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> anyone here other than me have IPv6?
[22:44] <Rudeviper> so we can't use a browser to watch any type of youtube site? What the hell is the use then?
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[22:45] <Peetz0r> Rudeviper: well, there's more on this planet than just youtube :p
[22:45] <Peetz0r> also, the xbmc youtube addon works fine with raspbmc ;)
[22:45] <chithead> html5 video should work
[22:45] <Peetz0r> chithead: does midori support that? hardware accelerated?
[22:45] <Rudeviper> according to a few places I have read - it is suposed to work - we are fixing to find out
[22:45] <Peetz0r> or any other browser on the Pi?
[22:46] <chithead> also for mozilla based browsers there is a youtube without flash greasemonkey script which makes youtube use vlc/totem/mplayer browser plugin. hardware acceleration works only with omxplayer
[22:47] <Peetz0r> chithead: yes, that's what I meant. Is there a way to use omxplayer from a webpage? Like an addon that implements html5 <video> with omxplayer?
[22:47] <chithead> you may be able to make omxplayer work with mozplugger, but that would require a lot of tinkering
[22:47] <Peetz0r> hmmz, we are thinking the same direction ;)
[22:47] <Peetz0r> But for now I'll use my raspbmc-Pi for video and my other Pi's for... other stuff ;)
[22:47] <Rudeviper> do you know where the greasemonkey script is or what it is called?
[22:48] <Peetz0r> The one I linked to can be used for that
[22:48] <Blu3Knight> Here is the post on omxplayer support for YouTube Client
[22:48] <Blu3Knight> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=21435
[22:49] <chithead> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/50771
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[22:49] <Rudeviper> ok - I am using chromium and watching a youtube vid right now - slow as hell - so I guess I need to download it first then watch
[22:49] <IT_Sean> pastably.
[22:49] <IT_Sean> HD?
[22:49] <Rudeviper> unless someone knows how to make it passable to omxplayer?
[22:49] <Peetz0r> Rudeviper: if your network connection is fast, then you shouldn not have to
[22:50] <Rudeviper> I have 2 up 20 down - its jumping
[22:50] <Peetz0r> 20 down is good
[22:50] <Peetz0r> sudo omxplayer http://haas-en-berg.nl/test.mp4
[22:50] <Rudeviper> its the browser though -
[22:50] <Peetz0r> ^ how smooth was that command?
[22:50] <Rudeviper> I did that - it works fine
[22:50] <Peetz0r> okay
[22:51] <Peetz0r> then your network is fast enough to stream 1080p youtube video
[22:51] <Rudeviper> but the url for the vid from youtube doesn't work - I get "have a nice day"
[22:51] <Rudeviper> no kidding - I know it is
[22:51] <Peetz0r> it works for me
[22:51] <Rudeviper> I have done 3 tests - 3 different videos - it doesn't work for some reason here
[22:52] <Peetz0r> sudo omxplayer "http://o-o---preferred---sn-5hn7zne7---v17---lscache7.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?upn=kyzKS-pgCFI&sparams=cp%2Cgcr%2Cid%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Cratebypass%2Csource%2Cupn%2Cexpire&fexp=911614%2C910207%2C929207%2C916614%2C901447%2C922401%2C920704%2C912806%2C927201%2C925003%2C913546%2C913556%2C920201%2C900816%2C911112%2C901451&ms=au&expire=1351829961&itag=37&ipbits=8&gcr=nl&sver=3&ratebypass=yes&mt=1351806672&ip=
[22:52] <IT_Sean> :O
[22:52] <Peetz0r> ...=youtube&key=yt1&cp=U0hURlhNV19LS0NONF9QR0FKOmtCRHdjV1RrbENo&id=f5b664a7bab5f5fd&title=PSY%20-%20GANGNAM%20STYLE%20(%EA%B0%95%EB%82%A8%EC%8A%A4%ED%83%80%EC%9D%BC)%20M_V&signature=019C8D2D7006426B17F768C3EE37D8EF213227A4.719594BE1DA6ADE5E7C0B2A3A3DD91E8FCF39BA8" on my Pi is equivalent to the shorter command pointing to my own server
[22:52] <Rudeviper> what the hell
[22:52] <IT_Sean> ...
[22:52] <Rudeviper> youtube links don't look like that
[22:52] <Peetz0r> yeah, that is a URL to a youtube *video* (not a youtube *webpage*)
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[22:52] <Peetz0r> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 is just a webpage, which omxplayer won't understand
[22:53] <linuxstb> Peetz0r: You shouldn't need to use sudo with omxplayer
[22:53] <Rudeviper> the problem is that with x running the cpu is running full out - 100% -
[22:53] <Peetz0r> linuxstb: somehow my pi doesn't play video without sudo
[22:53] <Peetz0r> also, I don't run X
[22:53] <Rudeviper> need to get out of x to do - but then you can't find vids
[22:54] <linuxstb> Peetz0r: Which distro are you using?
[22:54] <Peetz0r> raspbian
[22:54] <Rudeviper> is there a browser that works without x?
[22:54] <Peetz0r> also, it works here with X running as well
[22:54] <linuxstb> Strange. Are you using the normal "pi" user?
[22:54] <Peetz0r> Rudeviper: yeah, links, lynx, w3m, netsurf
[22:54] <Peetz0r> linuxstb: nope, I created a 'peter' user
[22:54] <Rudeviper> my cpu is running at 100% all the time if I am running x
[22:54] <Peetz0r> do I need to be in a video group or something?
[22:55] <linuxstb> Ah, that will be the problem. You need to add that user to the video group.
[22:55] <Peetz0r> my cpu is at 15~20% while playing 1080p video over http, running X, and having three ssh connections to my desktop
[22:55] <Rudeviper> my cpu is running at 100% all the time if I am running x
[22:55] <Rudeviper> is there a browser that works without x?
[22:56] <Peetz0r> Rudeviper: yeah, links, lynx, w3m, netsurf
[22:56] <Peetz0r> but none of there browsers will ever support video ;)
[22:56] <Peetz0r> these*
[22:56] <Peetz0r> maybe netsurf, in a very distant future
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[22:57] <knoppies> How do I tell which display the Pi is using? I want to use env DISPLAY=0.0 program
[22:57] <Rudeviper> so basically we are screwed for using raspian - we need to use Raspbmc to use the pi for a media center
[22:57] <knoppies> over SSH to open on Pi's monitor.
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[22:58] <scummos> knoppies: the $DISPLAY environment variable controls this
[22:58] <Peetz0r> if you really want just a media center, then raspbmc is the way to go
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[22:58] <prpplague> ReggieUK: ping
[22:58] <knoppies> scummos, yea why didnt I think of that. thank you.
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[22:58] <linuxstb> Peetz0r: "sudo usermod -a -G video peter" (and then log out and back in) should fix it.
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[22:59] <Peetz0r> linuxstb: already did that, and works :)
[22:59] <Jimu> Anyone know if I can use an iPhone charger base with a USB->MicroUSB cable for power?
[22:59] <Peetz0r> Jimu: yes, you can
[22:59] <Rudeviper> well - I wanted more than that - but that is what it's main purpose will be...So I can live with that and then later get another pi when I am ready to mess with coding for it - I really need to start working with Linux as a main computer and use windows for stuff that linux won't do like gaming
[22:59] <Peetz0r> I think avaryone uses their phone charger for their Pi
[22:59] <linuxstb> Peetz0r: OK, then I'll stop telling you things you already know ;)
[22:59] <Peetz0r> linuxstb: okay :)
[22:59] <Jimu> Peetz0r: excellent, thank you sir
[23:00] <Rudeviper> Jimu - It really isn't recommended but it has been shown to work
[23:00] <Blu3Knight> Jimu: You can as long as the power output is correct on it.
[23:00] <IT_Sean> Jimu: should do.
[23:00] <Rudeviper> wow - someone beat my 2nd line- lol
[23:00] <Rudeviper> I am using my samsung charger right now for it
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[23:00] <Blu3Knight> Rudeviper: I am using two of them for 2 Pi's, the important thing is if it outputs out true 1A
[23:01] <chatlow> can someone please recommend the best web server for the pi? was going to use a lamp setup but might be a bit heavy..
[23:01] <Rudeviper> I'm working on using a 12v supply to run the pi and hub - with some sort of battery pack in between
[23:01] <Peetz0r> chatlow: I've ran LAMP on a pentium 3, and it was mostly idle, so the Pi can ahndle it with ease as well
[23:02] <Rudeviper> Hopefully at least one of the two monitors I am being given tomorrw will be HDMI -
[23:02] <Peetz0r> chatlow: but there are other lightweight servers out there like ngnix and lighttpd
[23:02] <Blu3Knight> chatlow: Apache should be fine ??? you can actually limit memory for it, by modifying config ??? here is a quick link for it. https://www.virtacoresupport.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=102 --- Do a search yourself you could probably find others describing it in more detail.
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[23:02] <chatlow> ah ok, thanks. looking at a very basic setup to host a personal site so may not even need the database side of things
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[23:03] <Peetz0r> I just recieved my Pi monitor today. Composite. 3,5". $22,60. http://dx.com/p/49796
[23:03] <Blu3Knight> apache is not what is going to kill it in LAMP
[23:03] <Rudeviper> I am preping this computer to run Windows 8 and Linux tomorrow - dual boot situation - I am finding having to switch out of Vbox at times to be a pain.
[23:03] <Blu3Knight> MySQL will be the killer there
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[23:03] <Blu3Knight> So I would recommend using apache with something other then MySQL, there are alterntaives.
[23:03] <Rudeviper> I want a full size monitor - even if it is only a 14 or 15 inch m onotr - those little ones won't serve my purpose right n ow
[23:03] <Peetz0r> Blu3Knight: depends, if you don't do really heay work, mysql won't be a problem anyway
[23:04] <Peetz0r> Rudeviper: I don't have space or money for a full size one. also, most of my screens are vga-only, so they won't work with the Pi
[23:04] <chatlow> thanks, just taking a look at that link now
[23:05] <Blu3Knight> Rudeviper: Do you have a DVI output?
[23:05] <Rudeviper> I am hoping that these aren't straight vga - if so then I will have to do something else while I set the pi up to run as my media center
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[23:05] <Blu3Knight> Peetz0r: Then why not just install sqlite
[23:05] <Rudeviper> nope
[23:05] <DMackey> Picade, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimoroni/picade-the-arcade-cabinet-kit-for-your-raspberry-p?ref=live
[23:05] <Blu3Knight> Rudeviper: Well there is a way to get VGA working with HDMI but it is not pretty
[23:05] <chatlow> anyone heard stories of the pi overheating? paranoid about leaving it on for a long period of time
[23:06] <Rudeviper> no DVI output - only composite and hdmi are available on Pi's
[23:06] <DMackey> Why do awesome things come along when I'm broke... just MAY have to crack the CC out for the Picade.
[23:06] <Blu3Knight> chatlow No ???. not unless it is over clocked. I have been compiling on the PI's for 3 weeks straight (just turning them off long enough for the hurricane to hit) ..
[23:06] <Rudeviper> My pi has been running for two days straight with the CPU running at almost 100% the whole time
[23:06] <DMackey> No overheating problems with the RPi yet... UNLESS its way overclocked..
[23:07] <peejay> hdmi & dvi are both digital output. you can use an hdmi to dvi converter
[23:07] <Blu3Knight> Rudeviper: Yes??? but I am running my DVI monitor for the PI now. It is an DVI to HDMI converter = $2 from china or $8 from MicroCenter.
[23:07] <chatlow> won;t be overclocking it for what i need it for so that;s good news. hope all is ok after the hurricane.
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[23:08] <Blu3Knight> Rudeviper: To actually have it VGA you would need two adapters, one HDMI to DVI and then a DVI to VGA??? not pretty.
[23:09] <DMackey> I have one of my RPIs hooked thru HDMO to DVI.
[23:09] <Blu3Knight> I was going to open up a raspberry component sore to carry all that ??? accept I found out that I can not buy Pi's at a discount since the exclusive deal.
[23:09] <Blu3Knight> So that Idea went out the window.
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[23:11] <linuxstb> You can buy HDMI to VGA adapters. e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neewer-Black-Adapter-Converter-Laptop/dp/B007KEIRNG
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[23:12] <dirty_d> any of you hear of any rpi CNC projects?
[23:12] <dirty_d> not sure if there are any decent linux CNC programs
[23:12] <Blu3Knight> CNC ??
[23:12] <dirty_d> the most common i hear of is mach3
[23:13] <dirty_d> but thats for windows
[23:13] <dirty_d> Blu3Knight, computer controlled numerical i think
[23:13] <dirty_d> its a system where a computer controls a mill or late etc to build parts
[23:13] <DMackey> dirty_d, thats correct.
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[23:13] <DMackey> In fact I'm WORKING in a CNC shop now :D
[23:14] <dirty_d> thats cool
[23:14] <prpplague> ReggieUK: just fyi, we just did an upgrade on the elinux.org wiki. we are trying to block out some spammers, so if you get some valid users complaining about being blocked, please contact me or wmat
[23:14] <dirty_d> ive always wanted to be able to make precise parts
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[23:14] <dirty_d> the cheapest mill is like $700 though
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[23:15] <Blu3Knight> prpplague: In about a week I will have another distro to add to your list :)
[23:15] <prpplague> Blu3Knight: ??
[23:16] <Blu3Knight> prpplague: for elinux.org RPi page :)
[23:16] <prpplague> Blu3Knight: ahh well elinux.org is used for thousands of other things than RPi, and don't use RPi
[23:16] <prpplague> sorry i meant: and i don'tuse RPi
[23:16] <dirty_d> DMackey what do you do?
[23:16] <Blu3Knight> prpplague: But you have a page there for selecting distress for the PI
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[23:17] <prpplague> Blu3Knight: yes _someone_ as a page there
[23:17] <prpplague> Blu3Knight: like i said the elinux.org isn't just about RPi
[23:17] <Blu3Knight> prpplague: and just because you are not using a RPI we will not hold it against you (grin)
[23:17] <Blu3Knight> prpplague: I know ???.
[23:18] <prpplague> Blu3Knight: hehe, and because you are using one, we won't hold it against you either
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[23:21] <peejay> dirty_d: there is a linuxCNC distro, which is based on ubuntu
[23:21] <peejay> http://www.linuxcnc.org/
[23:22] <peejay> and with a quick google search: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=14122
[23:22] <dirty_d> linuxCNC thats the one program i found
[23:22] <peejay> well, it's a whole suite of programs bundled into a linux disto
[23:22] <peejay> but, yeah
[23:22] <_av500_> that is the definition of distro :)
[23:23] <dirty_d> hmm
[23:23] <dirty_d> i wonder why they need a RT kernel
[23:23] <dirty_d> well actually it makes sense
[23:23] <peejay> i would guess to get rid of latency in motor control
[23:24] <dirty_d> the stepper driver proably only processes very low level commands
[23:24] <dirty_d> not G code
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> I was using CNC 25+ years ago... I;d have hoped something might have improved by now, but ...
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[23:25] <peejay> heh
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[23:31] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, this looks pretty damn advanced, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjzhygzafr0
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, yea, it's pretty neat. I left that world 24 years ago though - at that time they were just experimenting with stuff like that.
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[23:34] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, this might be a dumb question, but do they recycle chips?
[23:34] <dirty_d> id hopethey do
[23:35] <dirty_d> its like 95% of the metal on some parts
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[23:37] <gordonDrogon> the swarf? I've no idea - we used to put it in a skip and sent it off to the scrap metal merchants...
[23:37] <dirty_d> yea, they must
[23:37] <dirty_d> alright im out, trivia time
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[23:46] <Blu3Knight> man github is slow :(
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[23:51] <drynish> Hi everyone, just got my r. pi
[23:52] * intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:53] <drynish> can I ask a question?
[23:54] <chithead> this is irc, never ask to ask
[23:55] <drynish> Mine is connecting through the audio jack to my A/V receiver... and when a video starts or stops this is a harsh sound (crackling almost) as if the power is coming in
[23:55] <drynish> or coming out... (stopping)
[23:55] <drynish> Is there a way to tell xbmc to always keeps that output up?
[23:57] <drynish> chithead, just to tell you that I know how to ask, I wanted to be sure that there was someone on :P
[23:58] <Blu3Knight> drynish: try fooling around with "alsamixer"
[23:59] <drynish> Blu3Knight, Yeah I saw some tuto on that, can I use a script at boot that could send some commands to the system?
[23:59] <Blu3Knight> drynish: for sound?

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