#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-02

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[0:00] <Amorsen> drynish, have you seen http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=12070?
[0:01] <Amorsen> Some report that rpi-update helps on raspbian
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[0:02] <Peetz0r> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt is broken
[0:02] <drynish> thanks for letting me know
[0:02] <drynish> I'm using Xbian
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[0:03] <JackberryPI> Good evening :)
[0:04] <JackberryPI> Does someone know, why the cherokee packages got removes in the raspbian repository?
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[0:16] <peejay> Peetz0r: here's a cached version of the rpi config.txt page:
[0:16] <peejay> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:svV20qXx-C0J:elinux.org/RPi_config.txt+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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[0:20] <Peetz0r> peejay: thanks :)
[0:24] <peejay> no problemo
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[0:35] <LordThumper> Ooops, told RPI to install all locales
[0:35] <LordThumper> This is taking ages
[0:38] <LordThumper> Is there a version of Chromium for any of the RPI distros?
[0:38] <LordThumper> Or what browser should I use?
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[0:41] <chithead> use something lightweight. midori is borderline. netsurf works acceptably
[0:43] <Peetz0r> I am installing chromium as we speak
[0:43] <LordThumper> Peetz0r: Do you have the 512MB model?
[0:44] <Peetz0r> yes
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[0:44] <LordThumper> Ah nice, can you tell me if it is any good?
[0:44] <Peetz0r> sure, moment please
[0:44] <LordThumper> sure, thx
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[0:45] <Peetz0r> I've ran webbrowsers on machines with less ram than the Pi before, so you shouldn't have to worry about that at all
[0:46] <Peetz0r> chromium is working fine. Not really fast, but very usable
[0:46] <home> its usable
[0:47] <home> further optimization should make it killer for web browsing
[0:47] <home> anyone know if gpu acceleration is going to be supported?
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[0:47] <Peetz0r> would be very nice, and not impossible at all
[0:47] <LordThumper> ah that's cool
[0:47] <LordThumper> home: did you try enabling it from about:flags?
[0:48] <Peetz0r> But I don't know anything for sure
[0:48] <LordThumper> Peetz0r: Is the CPU overclocked or base?
[0:48] <Peetz0r> overclocked, but I think that won't really matter
[0:48] <tsn> hi is there a sensible way to use another comp to get the packages for the raspberry?
[0:49] <LordThumper> 900mhz?
[0:49] <Peetz0r> 1000
[0:49] <LordThumper> oh
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[0:57] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[1:05] <Benighted> hello
[1:05] <home> hello CelticTurnip !
[1:05] <Blu3Knight> CelticTurnip: Hey
[1:07] <Benighted> Anyone here order the new model from element14 (canada) receive their pi yet?
[1:07] <Benighted> showing eta of mid december?
[1:07] <drynish> still popping the sound :((
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[1:08] <CelticTurnip> you guys all need to move to Australia, I heard about the new 512MB model, ordered, got it the next day
[1:09] <LordThumper> I got mine in about 10 days in Malta
[1:09] <LordThumper> the ETA was actually 1 month
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[1:14] <ebswift> yep, overnight in oz... ordered monday, received tuesday, and i'm in a small town
[1:14] <LordThumper> shipped from australia i assume
[1:14] <ebswift> yeah
[1:14] <ebswift> cases come in from the uk though for some reason
[1:14] <drynish> I received it after 4 months I think ;)
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[1:15] <LordThumper> ordered my case from modmypi
[1:15] <LordThumper> or whatever
[1:15] <Armand> I got mine with case, from modmypi.. took 4 days.
[1:15] <Armand> 3 days waiting for stock.
[1:15] <LordThumper> Yeah still waiting for stock :/
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[1:15] <Armand> Bummer.
[1:15] <LordThumper> They are out of the WIFI dongle i think
[1:16] <ebswift> modmypi case looks nice, though at twice the price i'm paying
[1:16] <bbond007> dunno if anyone is interested in this or not, but http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=63199
[1:16] <Armand> I'm sticking with wired.. all mine will be headless.
[1:16] <LordThumper> Not sure what to do with mine
[1:17] <LordThumper> So got some peripherals
[1:17] <ebswift> LordThumper i'm just using a wnda3200 wifi dongle - dual band virgin branded from the uk at $20 delivered
[1:17] <CelticTurnip> bbond007: anything to do with the Amiga gets a thumbs up from me :)
[1:17] <LordThumper> ebswift: The WIFI dongle I have atm is as large as a normal pen drive
[1:18] <LordThumper> usb drive
[1:18] <LordThumper> and it is slow
[1:18] <LordThumper> 802.11b i think
[1:18] <ebswift> the virgin ones are just a bit longer than a normal thumb drive, but they appear to be awesome value
[1:19] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B005CLMJLU/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1351815432&sr=8-11&keywords=Raspberry+Pi How well does one of these actually work?
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[1:19] <LordThumper> https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-accessories/wireless-USB%20-1N-nano-adaptor-802.11N-(WiFi-dongle)
[1:19] <LordThumper> That is what I got
[1:19] <LordThumper> 10 euros
[1:20] <ebswift> looks pretty cool, same price as the wnda3200
[1:21] <LordThumper> yeah it is small
[1:21] <ebswift> i don't think any of them are good for streaming (though I haven't tried), they should all be equally ok for general wifi as long as there are drivers
[1:21] <ebswift> wnda3200 is dual band, not sure how/if i'm going to leverage that yet
[1:21] <Armand> Would 3G be usable for streaming cam from Pi?
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[1:22] <Armand> I assume it depends on signal quality...
[1:22] <LordThumper> 3G
[1:22] <LordThumper> You would need an adapter that takes a SIM card
[1:22] <IT_Sean> could do. Depends on the res of the video
[1:22] <LordThumper> And drivers for that
[1:22] <Armand> That's an obvious, LordThumper .. ;)
[1:22] <LordThumper> haha
[1:22] <IT_Sean> would probably use Quite a Bit of Data though
[1:23] <bbond007> i been using my rpi connected to pdanet via wifi for 3g
[1:23] <ebswift> it'd be interesting, albeit at $10 a minute in oz
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[1:23] <Armand> London.. cheaper. :P
[1:23] <IT_Sean> that sound expensive.
[1:23] <LordThumper> I wouldn't try streaming HD over 3G :)
[1:23] <Armand> No
[1:23] <ebswift> lucky yous :)
[1:23] <Armand> I'd want to get the video quality just right.. because I'd want it to record and stream the video feed.
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[1:24] <LordThumper> Check the signal quality from where you will be streaming
[1:24] <Armand> Just milling over an idea I had with my brother.
[1:25] <LordThumper> My phone has half-decent speeds over 3G
[1:26] <LordThumper> Just enough for browsing though
[1:26] <Armand> I want to build a cam-copter. :D
[1:26] <LordThumper> haha
[1:26] <LordThumper> That would be cool :)
[1:26] <Armand> i thought so.. it wouldn't be small though.
[1:28] <drynish> i hope my next board will not have this issue
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[1:29] <bbond007> does RPI hardware not support 8bit sound? get an error when i try to select that format...
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[1:31] <chatlow> does the raspbian os have a built in firewall
[1:33] <Sonny_Jim> There's iptables
[1:35] <chatlow> ok. take it linux ufw isnt on raspbian..
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[1:41] <SIFTU> chatlow: ufw is just a front end for iptables I thinnk
[1:42] <chatlow> yeah was just hoping it would be in the pi so i could be lazy
[1:42] <chatlow> time to remember iptables i think
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[1:45] <home> chatlow: or u install it
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[1:50] <chatlow> thanks
[1:51] <home> chatlow: np
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[1:58] <maicod> all Pi's sleeping :)
[1:58] <rikkib> Fri Nov 2 13:58:31 NZDT 2012
[1:58] <maicod> heh
[1:58] <maicod> not here ;)
[1:58] <Armand> maicod, mine is on. :)
[1:59] <maicod> ah cool :)
[1:59] <Armand>
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[1:59] <[deXter]> Anyone here use Arch on the Pi?
[2:00] <IT_Sean> Baked Pi?
[2:00] <IT_Sean> O_o
[2:00] <dirty_d> [deXter], yea
[2:00] <maicod> Site under maintenance
[2:00] <maicod> Baked Pi is currently under maintenance. We should be back shortly. Thank you for your patience.
[2:00] <maicod> LOL
[2:00] <Armand> D'oh
[2:00] <maicod> mine:
[2:00] <Armand> Just updated the packages.
[2:00] <maicod> heh
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[2:00] <Armand> That's an internal address, maicod ?
[2:00] <maicod> sorry my fault
[2:00] <Armand> lol
[2:01] <[deXter]> dirty_d, Is it plug and play-ish? Well by that I mean, does USB automounting work out of the box? How about connecting different types of displays, would they be configured automatically?
[2:01] * Armand palms maicod's face
[2:01] <dirty_d> [deXter], no you have to set up the drives to automount in /etc/fstab
[2:01] <maicod> I need that to reach it myself cause it won't go this route in-out-in :( for you its http://maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php
[2:01] <dirty_d> displays should work though
[2:02] <[deXter]> :(
[2:02] <Armand> Ok, try mine now. :)
[2:02] <dirty_d> its easy though
[2:02] <[deXter]> having to edit fstab isn't feasible
[2:02] <dirty_d> why?
[2:02] <maicod> armand: OK :)
[2:02] <maicod> did u see my stats ?
[2:02] <Armand> Yup. ^_^
[2:02] <[deXter]> I want to use it as a portable media center thingy.. trying different peoples drives, sharing stuff, showing off :)
[2:02] <Armand> I need that on mine, maicod
[2:03] <maicod> cool armand I see your blog site
[2:03] <Armand> I did put phpmystats on there, but it refuses to load. >_<
[2:03] <maicod> armand: its made by atouk
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[2:03] <maicod> he is a user inhere
[2:03] <Armand> I saw his before.
[2:03] <maicod> armand: you have php working ?
[2:03] <Armand> Yup.. need it for Drupal.
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[2:03] <maicod> okay holdon
[2:04] <dirty_d> [deXter], well that would work
[2:04] <dirty_d> the first usb drive would be sda
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[2:05] <maicod> armand: http://maiconet.nl:8080/piwww.zip
[2:05] <maicod> straight from the Pi :)
[2:05] <Armand> Thanks. :)
[2:05] <maicod> thank atouk :)
[2:05] <Armand> Is yours a new model B ?
[2:05] <maicod> please read the readme
[2:05] <maicod> yea
[2:05] <maicod> no
[2:05] <maicod> oops
[2:05] <[deXter]> dirty_d, what if I unplug the drive and plug another one in while the system is running?
[2:05] <maicod> I mean its model B
[2:05] <maicod> not new
[2:05] <Armand> 256MB.
[2:05] <maicod> old one
[2:06] <maicod> yours ?
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[2:06] <Armand> 512
[2:06] <maicod> ah :)
[2:06] <maicod> I have had mine for months
[2:06] <Armand> Oohhh
[2:06] <dirty_d> [deXter], bad things probably
[2:06] <Armand> Got mine on the 27th. :)
[2:06] <maicod> I actually have 2 pi's but one is suspected to be faulty
[2:07] <maicod> I emailed farnell but they suck . they don't reply
[2:07] <Armand> That's ok.. I might still break mine.
[2:07] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Check the power supply, I thought mine was faulty as well??? Until I changed the power supply.
[2:07] <Armand> I need to power it from a solar kit.
[2:07] <Blu3Knight> Armand: You going to power a battery and have the battery power the Pi?
[2:08] <maicod> Blu3Knight: well the same sdcard and other connections to the Pi while running quake3 crashes the Pi from farnell while the one I got from RS works fine
[2:08] <Armand> Blu3Knight, yes
[2:08] <maicod> its the exact same SD card
[2:08] <maicod> same contents
[2:08] <maicod> armand: are you reading the readme stuff inside piwww.zip ?
[2:08] <Blu3Knight> maicod: What about the power supply? I had exactly the same problem??? then I changed the power supply ??? it worked.
[2:09] <maicod> Blu3Knight: but mine is 1.2 A and its tp1-tp2 voltage during operation is identical on both Pi's
[2:09] <Armand> maicod, yup
[2:09] <Blu3Knight> maicod: I would not be speaking??? but I actually have EMails going back and forth to the place I bought it and they agreed to replace it and as a last ditch effort I changed the supplies and it worked.
[2:09] <maicod> arman: cause you need some stuff to install thats why I referred u to it
[2:10] <maicod> oh Blu3Knight :(
[2:10] <maicod> but element14 doesnt even email me back :(
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[2:10] <Blu3Knight> maicod: I did not buy mine from Element I actually bought it from MakerShed at Makers Fair in NY.
[2:10] <maicod> I emailed to export@farnell.com
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[2:11] <maicod> ah OK
[2:11] <Blu3Knight> In fact about to order 2 from them now :)
[2:11] <maicod> Blu3Knight: the power supply I got was selected to be suitable by RS Components.
[2:12] <maicod> it was connected to the item as 'order along with this item'
[2:13] <Blu3Knight> maicod: I understand ??? dig around and see if you have a 5v / 1amp adapter other then those and try it. What is the worst that will happen? I am sure you have one from phones / other things.
[2:13] <maicod> thats the problem I ain't got that
[2:13] <maicod> nope
[2:13] <Armand> Blu3Knight, I've got all my solar kit... I think I might be missing fuse holders though. I didn't find any in the shed. -_-
[2:13] <maicod> my phone has propriaty adapter
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[2:14] <maicod> armand: using nginx ?
[2:15] <Armand> lighttpd
[2:15] <maicod> oh ok
[2:15] <Armand> There is a post of server specs on there. :P
[2:15] <maicod> ehm the phpChart_Lite map should be inside the /var/www
[2:15] <maicod> at first I had it in a submap :)
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[2:16] <Armand> Yeah.. I need to put the zip onto the Pi first. :P
[2:16] <maicod> oh rite ;)
[2:16] <Armand> I'll do it tomorrow.. if I can't wget the file, I'll have to pull the SD.
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[2:17] <maicod> u can wget it from the link I gave you
[2:17] <Armand> Wouldn't do it.
[2:17] <maicod> nope cause it was removed
[2:17] <Armand> lol
[2:17] <maicod> sorry I thought you had it already
[2:17] <Armand> No worries... I have the zip on here.
[2:17] <maicod> I placed it back
[2:17] <maicod> but its back now
[2:17] <maicod> just wget ;)
[2:18] <Armand> ok, hold on
[2:18] <Armand> Done
[2:18] <maicod> heh
[2:18] <Armand> Thank you. :)
[2:18] <maicod> yw
[2:18] <maicod> :)
[2:18] <maicod> I had cleaned it up too soon :)
[2:18] <maicod> I am quite proper ;P
[2:18] <maicod> its a tick :P
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[2:18] <maicod> ehm is that a good english word :)
[2:19] <maicod> a quirk
[2:19] <maicod> <------NL
[2:19] <Armand> tick is fine. :P
[2:19] <maicod> oh rite
[2:19] <maicod> you in the UK?
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[2:19] <Armand> < English.
[2:19] <Armand> Hahaa
[2:19] <maicod> heh
[2:19] <maicod> english from where ?
[2:19] <maicod> so many english ppl lol
[2:20] <Armand> London.
[2:20] <maicod> ah UK then
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> Scotland
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> five
[2:20] <Armand> Oohh!!
[2:20] <maicod> five I know that name
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> Fife
[2:20] <Armand> What do you think about the vote for independence, SpeedEvil ?
[2:20] <maicod> my city noone knows ;)
[2:20] <SpeedEvil> Armand: fucking insane idea
[2:20] <Armand> O_O
[2:21] <Armand> I think it's great.
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[2:21] <Armand> lol
[2:21] <maicod> are they really going to vote for that ?
[2:21] <Armand> About time too..
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> Armand: unless, I was in charge.
[2:21] <maicod> I mean hold a referendum
[2:21] <Armand> Hahahaaa
[2:21] <Armand> Yeah, they are.. pretty sure.
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> I shall definitely be voting against
[2:21] <maicod> so the Queen can't go to Balmoral anymore then :P
[2:21] <maicod> she's evicted ;)
[2:21] <Armand> Stupid bitch anyways.. who cares ? :P
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[2:21] <Armand> Excuse my language.
[2:22] <maicod> let her take my queen with her please ;)
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[2:22] <SpeedEvil> I would support it if the policy of the Scots government was massive nuclear power building progam
[2:22] <maicod> to some far away island
[2:22] <SpeedEvil> to entirely replace all fossil fuels
[2:22] <Armand> SpeedEvil, with the Scots weather... Wind would be better/safer.
[2:22] <SpeedEvil> wind is horribly unreliable
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[2:22] <Armand> In Scotland?? Surely not..
[2:23] <Armand> Shame you can't harness rain power. :P
[2:23] <Armand> trollolololol
[2:23] <maicod> Armand you have a french sounding name :)
[2:23] <maicod> ehe
[2:23] <Armand> What, Martin?
[2:23] <Armand> O_o
[2:23] <Armand> I believe it's closer to being Welsh. :P
[2:23] <maicod> ah :)
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[2:23] <Armand> Sorry. ^_^
[2:23] <SpeedEvil> rain power is negligible unless it's hydro
[2:24] <Armand> Clearly joking, SpeedEvil
[2:24] <maicod> fortunately we have windmills to defend ourselves with :)
[2:24] <Armand> Do they transform into attack helicopters?
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[2:24] <maicod> yea :)
[2:24] <Armand> :D
[2:25] <Armand> I wouldn't mind a wind genny.. but, they are a pain around here. Bloody vandals would ruin it.
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[2:25] <maicod> speedevil: you once loaned a piece of netherlands :)
[2:25] <maicod> I mean scotland did
[2:25] <Armand> I'm taking a risk with solar.
[2:25] <SpeedEvil> wind generators domestically are almost always worthless
[2:26] <SpeedEvil> houses are not built in good locations, and the turbines are essentially never in clear air
[2:26] <maicod> I hate them cause they kill birds
[2:27] <Armand> It's good around here, but.. local concerns with all the bastard kids (not swearing, it's legitimate context)
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> evolution in action
[2:27] <Armand> yeah, birds need ATC. ?_?
[2:27] <Armand> Radar too..
[2:27] <maicod> heh
[2:28] <maicod> they're now trying to decode that message on the pigeons leg
[2:28] <maicod> the dead pigeon in the chimney
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[2:28] <Armand> Ohh.. feel free to sign up on my site, by the way.. any input is quite welcome. :)
[2:29] <Armand> I'll have a proper domain name soon, but the accounts will remain valid.
[2:29] <maicod> armand: have you had a domain before ?
[2:29] <Armand> Long time ago.
[2:29] <maicod> ah its cool to have
[2:29] <maicod> I got mine for like 12 years
[2:30] <Armand> I don't have a fixed IP, so.. I need to.
[2:30] <maicod> oh you need dyndns
[2:30] <Armand> Something like it, yes.
[2:30] <maicod> :(
[2:30] <maicod> my ISP fortunately doesn't regularly change the IPs
[2:30] <Armand> I can get a decent regged domain, with redirect.
[2:30] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Can they take my president with them ???. I am in the US
[2:30] * SpeedEvil ponders selling Armand his four letter .com
[2:31] <maicod> Blu3Knight: oh you don't want Obama ? :)
[2:31] <ebswift> ooh, 4 letters!
[2:31] <SpeedEvil> qkwv
[2:31] <maicod> speedevil: fourletter words .com :)
[2:31] <Armand> Blu3Knight, he's got another term in the bag. :D
[2:31] <prpplague> ReggieUK: ping
[2:31] <ebswift> haha, but still...
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[2:31] <Orii> hey when i try to run rpi-update the site they use i guess is not working
[2:31] <prpplague> ReggieUK: we need to talk about RPi-counsel on elinux asap
[2:31] <Orii> fatal: http//github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware.git/info/refs is not valid: is this a git repository?
[2:31] <maicod> I think obama is the best of the 2 worst
[2:32] <Orii> maicod: the choice between two turds is no choice at all
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> I got it by putting snipes for a fiver on any eBay 4 letter domain
[2:32] <Blu3Knight> Armand: I do not care for any politicians :)
[2:32] <maicod> orii: hehe
[2:32] <Armand> Me neither, but.. Meh. :P
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[2:32] <maicod> anyone had power cuts due to the storm?
[2:32] <Orii> i wish gary johnson or ron paul would have a chance
[2:32] <Blu3Knight> My theory is if you take all the politicians put them on a cruise ship??? and then Sink it.. the world would be better off.
[2:32] <Orii> maicod: once
[2:32] <Armand> O_o
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> maicod: no.
[2:32] <ebswift> nice work SpeedEvil
[2:32] <SpeedEvil> maicod: though I am in Scotland.
[2:32] <maicod> orii: long period?
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[2:33] <Orii> nah like a second
[2:33] <Armand> Well... time for bed. -_-
[2:33] <Orii> anyone able to help my problem with the rpi-update?
[2:33] <maicod> speedevil: hehe you didnt have the storm Sandy
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> I have ups for ~24h
[2:33] <maicod> sleepwell Armand
[2:33] <maicod> speedevil: we have most power lines running underground
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> we do 't
[2:33] <maicod> speedevil: only the 10Kvolt ones not
[2:33] <prpplague> anyone know if this elinux.org user "jeff" is on irc?
[2:33] <maicod> the bit ones on thoese masts
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[2:34] <maicod> big
[2:34] <Armand> Orii, I had to retry a few times.. but, check 'git' is installed.
[2:34] <Orii> it is
[2:34] <maicod> speedevil: probably cause the ground is too rocky huh :(
[2:34] <Armand> gnite all. .o/
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> generally not
[2:34] <maicod> oh
[2:34] <ebswift> SpeedEvil ugh i just looked at my domains, i've got 19 of them, didn't realise i had collected that many :(
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[2:35] <SpeedEvil> it's expensive to bury
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> ebswift: wow
[2:35] <Orii> Armand: i posted the last line of output when i tried running rpi-update
[2:35] <Orii> im using arch-arm
[2:35] <Armand> Orii, I can't really say for that distro... I know I had to try a few times before it worked here.
[2:35] <maicod> speedevil: its been a decision taken LONG ago here
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> maicod: where are you?
[2:36] <Armand> Orii, I'm off now.. but, I hope the people here can help. Good luck.
[2:36] <maicod> is rpi-update suitable for arch at all ?
[2:36] <Blu3Knight> Anyone using the Pi as a web server?
[2:36] <Orii> thank you
[2:36] <maicod> speedevil: Netherlands
[2:36] <Armand> Blu3Knight, yup
[2:36] <prpplague> SpeedEvil: i thought i smelled something, they let just about anyone in here, hehe
[2:36] <Orii> maicod: i would hope so
[2:36] <Orii> from what the forums say it is
[2:36] <Armand> Blu3Knight,
[2:36] <maicod> oh orii I wasnt sure so I said it so you could double check :)
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[2:37] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[2:37] <Orii> ah
[2:37] <Orii> hmmm seems to work now
[2:38] <maicod> speedevil: the intercity ones are above ground: see them on this link: http://www.wijselijkonwetend.org/dienstbaarheid/hoogspanning-1/
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> hmm-
[2:38] <Blu3Knight> Armand: Hmmm.. I will have to check it out as I am probably going to host a BinHost on it.
[2:38] <Blu3Knight> You using apache?
[2:38] <Armand> The specs are on the front page. ;)
[2:38] * Armand is going now.. .o/
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[2:39] <SpeedEvil> http://dx.com/p/flucard-sd-memory-card-w-wi-fi-for-camera-white-4gb-162942?item=1
[2:39] <maicod> speedevil: I probably wouldnt understand your tongue or do you speak non-dialect ?
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> a SD card running Linux
[2:40] <SpeedEvil> the five accent is n general not that strong
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[2:40] <SpeedEvil> Fife
[2:40] <maicod> ah OK
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[2:40] <Blu3Knight> Hmmm is MySQL killing you?
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[2:40] <maicod> isnt fife a combination city to some other city ? like brighton&hove
[2:40] <maicod> I think I remember
[2:40] <SpeedEvil> no
[2:40] <maicod> ah ok
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> fife is a Scottish region
[2:41] <maicod> OK
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[2:41] <maicod> the sdcard with wifi wouldve been nice and handy but its too expensive
[2:42] <maicod> I bet the camera needs to be able to run some config util to store the wifi password etc
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> and yeah
[2:43] <Orii> ok updated firmware
[2:43] <maicod> cool
[2:43] <Orii> now im supposed to run install git-core right?
[2:43] <SpeedEvil> it's kinda an awesome Linux system though
[2:44] <maicod> orii: I think git-core is needed for the rpi-update
[2:44] <maicod> at least thats what I thought
[2:44] <maicod> that otherwise rpi-update doesnt work
[2:45] <Orii> well it seemed to work
[2:45] <maicod> oh maybe git is installed already?
[2:45] <maicod> try type git in commandline
[2:45] <Orii> when i try to do rpi-update again it says firmware is up to date
[2:45] <Orii> git is installed
[2:45] <maicod> rite
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[2:46] <Orii> raspi-config does not exist :/
[2:47] <maicod> I have something weird: with gpu_mem=64 at first the /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triangle#
[2:47] <maicod> oops
[2:47] <peejay> Orii: that's only on raspian
[2:47] <maicod> I have something weird: with gpu_mem=64 at first the /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_triangle demos worked fine but suddenly they fail and I need to use at least 96 for gpu_mem
[2:47] <Orii> oh
[2:48] <peejay> what are you looking to do?
[2:48] <maicod> I didnt change anything
[2:48] <Orii> use turbo mode
[2:48] <maicod> hello_triangle.bin: triangle.c:174: init_ogl: Assertion `state->surface != ((EGLSurface)0)' failed.
[2:48] <maicod> this is the error I get
[2:48] <maicod> I can only make it work by changing the memory split
[2:48] <maicod> strange is that it worked before with the current setting
[2:49] <maicod> also quake3 doesnt run anymore without adding more gpumem
[2:49] * maicod wonders what caused this
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[2:50] <peejay> Orii: you can do it manually by editing the /boot/config.txt file
[2:50] <Orii> great :)
[2:50] <peejay> but i haven't done this yet, so i can't give any specific pointers
[2:50] <maicod> peejay: he could try raspi-config
[2:50] <peejay> some folks were talking about it earlier in here
[2:50] <peejay> maicod: he's using arch linux arm
[2:51] <maicod> oh :)
[2:51] <maicod> sorry didnt realize
[2:51] <maicod> someone gave me some settings to try
[2:51] <peejay> and the elinux.org page with the config.txt info isn't working right now :/
[2:51] <Orii> so say i wanted to do 1gz
[2:51] <peejay> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[2:51] <maicod> arm_freq=850core_freq=300sdram_freq=400
[2:51] <Orii> just do 1000?
[2:52] <peejay> i think you have to adjust a few of the parameters like maicod just showed
[2:52] <maicod> peejay: backup your sdcard first
[2:52] <peejay> Orii: ^^ do that ;)
[2:52] <maicod> cause if the Pi crashes the filesys is corrupting
[2:52] <peejay> egads
[2:53] <maicod> I had it :)
[2:53] <maicod> sorry peejay it was aimed at orii
[2:53] <maicod> hehe
[2:53] * maicod got nameblind
[2:54] <peejay> no worries :)
[2:54] <Orii> maicod: those are all on one line?
[2:54] <maicod> no
[2:54] <Orii> ok
[2:54] <Orii> that is what i thought :)
[2:54] <maicod> <cr> NEEDED
[2:55] <maicod> beware that arm_freq is already in there somewhere
[2:55] <maicod> its commented out though :)
[2:55] <Orii> yeah i see it
[2:55] <maicod> OK :)
[2:55] <Orii> so wiat is turbo just on with the firmware?
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[2:55] <Orii> or is it enabled?
[2:55] <maicod> eh ?
[2:55] <maicod> 700 is non overclock
[2:55] <Orii> wait*
[2:56] <maicod> the rest is overclocked
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[2:56] <peejay> Orii: here is a cached version of the config.txt elinux page:
[2:56] <peejay> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:svV20qXx-C0J:elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[2:56] <peejay> it's got some useful info
[2:56] <maicod> peejay: you recon that they deleted the file cause they're updating it ?
[2:57] <Orii> what exactly is turbo mode?
[2:57] <Orii> does it just keep an eye on the cpu so it doesnt over heat?
[2:57] <maicod> wait there's an article about it somewhere
[2:57] <maicod> lemme look
[2:57] <maicod> but I think it was aimed at wheezy
[2:57] <axion> it just disables the cpufreq driver
[2:58] <peejay> maicod: i know that elinux went through and deleted a lot of spammer user accounts
[2:58] <peejay> maybe they were doing a general clean-up today?
[2:58] <maicod> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[2:59] <maicod> peejay: but this wasnt spam at all. poor hard working Pi community ppl who see their files got deleted
[2:59] <peejay> yeah, i know. i'm not sure why it's down
[3:00] <peejay> even if they were updating it, they could have left it up
[3:00] <maicod> so elinux is just a cloud site ?
[3:00] * peejay shrugs
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[3:00] <Orii> so how would i enable turbo mode within config.txt?
[3:00] <maicod> I thought it was pi-only :)
[3:00] * home touches up peejay in a good way
[3:01] <prpplague> maicod: no elinux.org is not a cloud site
[3:01] <peejay> Orii: if i'm not mistaken, turbo-mode is just a frontend-like way of making the changes in config.txt for you
[3:02] <maicod> oh prpplague
[3:02] <peejay> but, again, i could be wrong, as i've never used it
[3:02] <peejay> i've only edited config.txt to get sound over hdmi
[3:02] <maicod> I asked cause peejay said they deleted spam accounts
[3:03] <prpplague> maicod: we just did an upgrade of the wiki, and cleared out a bunch of accounts that were registered to spammers who post spam on the wikis
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[3:03] <prpplague> maicod: are you experiencing a problem with the site?
[3:03] <maicod> peejay:where's the scripts from raspi-config stored. I can have a look at them to tell the settings to orii
[3:04] <maicod> prpplague: ah OK . ehm not me but there is a file missing
[3:04] <maicod> lemme give u the url
[3:04] <peejay> prpplague: it's this page: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[3:04] <maicod> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[3:04] <peejay> :)
[3:04] <maicod> LOL
[3:05] <Orii> so say i wanted to over clock to 1gz
[3:05] * prpplague checks the log
[3:05] <maicod> thanks ;)
[3:05] <Orii> i would set arm_freq=0
[3:05] <Orii> i would set arm_freq=1000*
[3:05] <peejay> maicod: lemme look for scripts. i'm an arch user as well ;)
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[3:06] <maicod> peejay: oh but you know mean you know how to find them on a wheezy distro ?
[3:06] <maicod> I don't know where they are
[3:07] <maicod> orii:you could use any of the 4 or 5 presets we're gonna dig up for ya :)
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[3:07] <Orii> this would work on arch?
[3:07] <Orii> not just raspbian?
[3:07] <maicod> sure if u just enter the values in the config.txt
[3:08] <maicod> its just a combination of the 3 or 4 keywords like arm_freq
[3:08] <maicod> I think at least ;)
[3:08] <prpplague> peejay: got the page that is linked from?
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[3:08] <maicod> prpplague:time to restore a backup (just kidding :P)
[3:09] <maicod> was teasing u :)
[3:09] <prpplague> maicod: files are recorded in a sequential database
[3:09] <peejay> prpplague: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_ConfigurationFile
[3:09] <prpplague> maicod: so every change and file upload can be reverted
[3:09] <maicod> oh OK
[3:09] <maicod> ah handy
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[3:09] * maicod sees it with smallworld eyes sorry
[3:10] <Orii> peejay: how did you enable sound over hdmi>
[3:10] <Orii> ?*
[3:10] <peejay> maicod: are you looking for where the raspi-config binary is, or the source for it?
[3:10] <peejay> Orii: just a sec
[3:11] <peejay> maicod: here's the git repo: https://github.com/asb/raspi-config
[3:11] <maicod> peejay: well I thought the binary uses readable scripts to set the presets for overclocking
[3:11] <maicod> maybe theyre baked into the binary though :(
[3:11] <peejay> binary should be in /usr/bin
[3:11] <maicod> okay thanks for looking
[3:11] <peejay> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1322/where-is-the-script-for-raspi-config-stored-in-the-fs-on-raspbian
[3:12] <peejay> no prob
[3:13] <peejay> Orii: in the /boot/config.txt file, uncomment the line hdmi_drive=2
[3:14] <peejay> this tells the pi that you're using a proper hdmi device, not just a dvi monitor
[3:14] <prpplague> maicod / peejay was the file previous linked there?
[3:14] <Orii> ok
[3:14] <maicod> peejay: I foudn it
[3:14] <Orii> so about that 1gz over clock
[3:14] <Orii> i would set arm_freq=1000 ?
[3:14] <peejay> maicod: nice :)
[3:15] <maicod> http://pastebin.com/0kusrpXQ
[3:15] <peejay> prpplague: i'm not sure, to be honest. i think i first came across the page from a google search
[3:15] <maicod> orii: use any of these presets
[3:15] <prpplague> yea i think i found the issue
[3:15] <Orii> ok thanks
[3:15] <maicod> ehm
[3:16] <prpplague> peejay / maicod reload the page and try again
[3:16] <Orii> what happened to the turbo option?
[3:16] <maicod> 700 250 400 0 = "700MHz ARM, 250MHz core, 400MHz SDRAM, 0 overvolt"
[3:17] <maicod> OK
[3:17] <Orii> maicod: so i just set that option in the config.txt file?
[3:17] <Orii> i am using arch arm btw
[3:17] <maicod> I shift reloaded it but to no avail
[3:17] <maicod> orii: no wait
[3:18] <Orii> oh god that raspberry pi just fried
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[3:18] <Orii> joking of course
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[3:19] <prpplague> maicod: you reloaded this page http://elinux.org/R-Pi_ConfigurationFile and click on the link it does not take you to the new page?
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[3:19] <maicod> of one such line (a preset) the first 3 valus in '700 250 400 0' would be arm_freq=700,core_freq=250,sdram_freq=400 in this example
[3:19] <peejay> prpplague: i'm still getting a "not found" page
[3:20] <peejay> Orii: my heart sank for a second
[3:20] <maicod> does anyone know the variable for the overvolt ?
[3:20] <prpplague> peejay: when you click on the link from the page?
[3:20] <peejay> si
[3:20] <prpplague> odd it is working fine from here
[3:20] <prpplague> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[3:20] <maicod> over_voltage
[3:21] <prpplague> can you view that page?
[3:21] <maicod> its called
[3:21] <maicod> no prpplague
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[3:21] <prpplague> maicod: ok i suspect that your browser cache is not being cleared for that page after we did the wiki update
[3:21] <prpplague> maicod: please try clearing your browser cache and try again
[3:22] <maicod> prpplague: I did shift+reload
[3:22] <maicod> but I will
[3:22] <prpplague> maicod: are you logged in as a user on the wiki?
[3:22] <maicod> no
[3:23] <prpplague> yea, clear you cache and re-try
[3:23] <prpplague> i just a test from two different machines locally and one remote server, the page is rendering
[3:23] <peejay> i can see this page: http://elinux.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/RPi_config.txt
[3:24] <maicod> prpplague: I did but it still doens work. I even loaded internet explorer (didnt use that at all lately) but still not working
[3:24] <maicod> so internet explorer doesnt have it in cache
[3:24] <maicod> so both firefox (cleared cache) and IE don't work
[3:25] <maicod> 404 error
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[3:25] <peejay> i also cleared my cache and i can't see the page
[3:25] <jmadero> hi all, about to turbo mode my pi, can someone tell me exactly what I need in config
[3:26] <prpplague> peejay / maicod one more time - http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[3:28] <maicod> orii: http://pastebin.com/Uwy8nSQH
[3:28] <prpplague> peejay / maicod you able to load that page?
[3:28] <maicod> see my example of entries for the None profile
[3:28] <maicod> yes
[3:28] <maicod> I can see it
[3:28] <Gumby> page works here
[3:29] <prpplague> ok looks like the .txt is causing a failure in the pho
[3:29] <prpplague> php
[3:29] * prpplague renames pages
[3:29] <Gumby> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt does not work
[3:29] <peejay> ah ha
[3:29] <maicod> prpplague: could the RPi_config.txt file maybe have the wrong file permissions ?
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[3:29] <prpplague> maicod: no
[3:30] <Gumby> interestingly, I can wget the .txt file
[3:30] <maicod> ok
[3:30] <maicod> LOL
[3:30] <Orii> maicod: is their supposed to be an example for turbo?
[3:30] <maicod> orii: no with turbo they just mean one of the 3 overclock presets I think
[3:31] <Orii> oh ok
[3:31] <maicod> you understand my example for the None preset ?
[3:31] <Orii> yes
[3:31] <maicod> use it with any of the other 3
[3:31] <maicod> OK
[3:31] <Orii> thank you
[3:31] <Gumby> ah, its not a .txt file that is received.. it is a web page
[3:31] <maicod> yw
[3:31] <maicod> oh LOL
[3:31] <maicod> poor GabrialDestruir
[3:31] <maicod> oops
[3:31] <maicod> poor Gumby
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[3:31] <peejay> hehe
[3:32] <maicod> sorry GabrialDestruir
[3:32] <maicod> I waked u :)
[3:32] <GabrialDestruir> Yes poor me.... my rPi doesn't have Wifi!
[3:32] <Gumby> not poor me. hehe. I was just doing some unrequested troubleshooting
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[3:32] <maicod> GabrialDestruir: you can use a wifi dongle inside a powered hub
[3:33] <maicod> ok Gumby we all try to help
[3:33] <GabrialDestruir> I know, just haven't got around to doing it yet.
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[3:33] <maicod> ok GabrialDestruir
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[3:33] <peejay> prpplague: thanks for looking into that, btw
[3:33] <maicod> I use the 7port Ultron powered hub. its on the verfified pheripherals list
[3:33] <Wolfram74> So, i'm on the OS distributions page looking at options, and I think i'm leaning towards the gentoo linux distro, it's armhf compliant and has a small foot print, what other things should i consider?
[3:34] <maicod> yeah I bet prpplague has a big problem trying to fix the PHP parser to make it parse .txt
[3:34] <jmadero> what is the turbo mode that doesn't kill your warranty? force_turbo isn't it right?
[3:34] <peejay> Wolfram74: have you used gentoo before?
[3:34] <jmadero> Wolfram74: if you haven't used an advanced distro before, I would never recommend gentoo
[3:35] <Wolfram74> I have not, in fact I am considering the RPi a learning experience in open source OSes from the ground up
[3:35] <jmadero> Wolfram74: starting at gentoo is like learning how to drive a car with a ferrari 6 speed
[3:35] <jmadero> lol
[3:35] <prpplague> peejay / maicod i renamed the page and changed the links
[3:35] <peejay> :)
[3:35] <maicod> jmadero: I think the 3 modes in raspi-config are OK. see http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[3:35] <Wolfram74> well, i learned to drive on a subaru with 5 speeds stick, so thats kind of similar?
[3:35] <maicod> prpplague: need us to test it ?
[3:35] <prpplague> peejay / maicod i'll have wmat look at the php tomorrow, if there is a bug, he'll get something filed
[3:35] <Wolfram74> jmadero: so what would you suggest?
[3:36] <jmadero> Wolfram74: debian based for sure
[3:36] <prpplague> maicod: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_ConfigurationFile
[3:36] <jmadero> then if you force yourself to use terminal at leats 50% of the time, you can try gentoo
[3:36] <prpplague> maicod: you should be able to go to that page, and click on the config.txt link
[3:36] <Wolfram74> so is raspbian based off debian which is based off linux?
[3:36] <jmadero> I've been using Linux for 10 years and I am yet to try Gentoo...I'd call myself like a Linux expert (not a guru, but pretty damn solid)
[3:37] <jmadero> Wolfram74: Linux is the core (kernel) of Debian & Gentoo
[3:37] <Wolfram74> right
[3:37] <Orii> man i want to try making a raspberry pi laptop like that vid from adafruit
[3:37] <jmadero> Gentoo just takes it to the extreme by allowing you to use flags and what not, compile everything from source, etc...
[3:37] <Wolfram74> like i said, learning experience
[3:37] <Gumby> ubuntu is based on debian and raspian is based on ubuntu
[3:37] <jmadero> Wolfram74: expect a lot of headaches if you go with Gentoo
[3:37] <jmadero> and a LOT of time
[3:37] <Wolfram74> jmadero: ok, i'll go with the raspian disto then
[3:37] <Orii> gentoo. the pain in the ass that is based off of linux and a lesser extent freebsd
[3:37] <Gumby> no, you dont understand.... A LOT!
[3:38] <peejay> prpplague: it looks good! thanks!
[3:38] <jmadero> I'll give you an example of time wise, I develop for LIbreOffice
[3:38] <maicod> prpplague: thanks. it was not me needing it. I was just helping someone who needed it here
[3:38] <jmadero> so I have to compile from source
[3:38] <jmadero> installing from the package takes about 5 minutes, from source 7 hours
[3:38] <Orii> gentoo is for people with ocd
[3:38] <prpplague> maicod / peejay no worries, just want to make sure there wasn't any hiccups after the upgrade
[3:38] <Orii> anyone try out the slackware arm image?
[3:38] <Orii> slackware ftw
[3:39] <cyclick> slackware would be nice
[3:39] <prpplague> Orii: laptops are easy once you have all the info together
[3:39] <prpplague> Orii: problem is collecting the info
[3:39] <jmadero> Wolfram74: in linux world people who use Arch/Gentoo/etc....will spend hours to learn and then brag about their 2 second faster boot time ;)
[3:39] <peejay> Wolfram74: somewhere between raspian and gentoo falls arch
[3:39] <Orii> they pretty much told you all you need
[3:39] <jmadero> yes, I shouldn't have included arch in there probably haha, but it's still pretty damn complicated
[3:39] <Orii> i can get the docking station they mentioned right now if i wanted
[3:39] <jmadero> I'd say Ubuntu is like a 1 on the difficult scale, gentoo is a 10
[3:39] <Blu3Knight> Orii: Close I am about to put up a Gentoo Image with a BinHost farm behind it so there is no down time compiling.
[3:39] <jmadero> arch is like an 8
[3:39] <Orii> no money though XD
[3:40] <Blu3Knight> jmadero: It is not the boot time, it is the flexibility.
[3:40] <jmadero> maicod: I don't see where it tells me exactly what to put in the config
[3:40] <Orii> jmadero: arch is more like a 5 or 6
[3:40] <jmadero> Orii: what would you put at a 7-8?
[3:40] <prpplague> Orii: yea i love adafruit, but they have never designed or built a commercial mobile device before, hehe
[3:40] <Orii> slackware
[3:40] <maicod> jmadero: http://pastebin.com/Uwy8nSQH
[3:40] <jmadero> I'd say Arch is in the top 3rd of difficulty
[3:40] <Orii> only for its package management
[3:41] <maicod> jmadero: see the piece that starts with ##these should be inserted into config.txt in case you want the None profile (no overclock)
[3:41] <jmadero> maicod: yes, but I do want overclock
[3:41] <Orii> if you know basic commands in linux then arch is like a 3
[3:41] <maicod> jmadero: you'll need to change the values for the 4 variables according to the profiles Modest Medium or High
[3:41] <peejay> jmadero: what distro are you using?
[3:42] <jmadero> xbian
[3:42] <Blu3Knight> jmadero: Gentoo is only difficult because it has to be built form scratch, but that is because of the customizing for CPU, since Raspberry PI is all same hardware on the board. I am building an image to be just as easy as Raspbian but with the flexibility to build any package you want of Gentoo.
[3:42] <Orii> arch linux has some of the greatest online documentation only beaten by the freebsd handbook
[3:42] <jmadero> (had to leave raspbmc.....didn't support my keyboard, drove me insane)
[3:42] <maicod> jmadero: Modest)
[3:42] <maicod> set_overclock Modest 800 250 400 0
[3:42] <maicod> now set the 4 names with these values in config.txt
[3:43] <Blu3Knight> jmadero: Exactly why people use Gentoo or other systems that can be changed to do anything and support anything.
[3:43] <maicod> or choose the High or Medium values of the pastebin
[3:43] <Orii> maicod: the name of those values dont show up by default
[3:43] <Orii> only arm_freq
[3:43] <maicod> no you should add them
[3:43] <maicod> add them
[3:43] <Orii> oh fail i didnt see you linked him the pastebin
[3:43] <Orii> was about to ask why you didnt do so
[3:43] <Orii> nevermind
[3:44] <maicod> remember before doing it backup your sdcard cause it could crash with the overclock turned on and it could ruin your filesystem
[3:44] <maicod> heh
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[3:44] <maicod> cause of not cleanly unmounting etc.
[3:44] <jmadero> thanks, going to try
[3:44] <maicod> a crashed system can't be cleanly unmounted heh :)
[3:46] <jmadero> and this won't ruin my warranty?
[3:46] <maicod> btw I forgot to copy the turbo one !
[3:46] <jmadero> (so confused) lol
[3:46] <Orii> maicod: i keep asking you about that fool! :P
[3:46] <maicod> jmadero: according tot this article not: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[3:46] <maicod> orii: oops hahaha
[3:46] <maicod> orii: it is cause of this:
[3:46] <maicod> Turbo)
[3:46] <maicod> whiptail --msgbox "Warning: some people have reported SD card corruption with this level of overclock." \
[3:46] <maicod> 20 70 1
[3:46] <maicod> [ $? -ne 0 ] && return 1
[3:46] <maicod> set_overclock Turbo 1000 500 600 6
[3:47] <maicod> ;;
[3:47] <maicod> *)
[3:47] <maicod> the whiptail line
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[3:47] <maicod> it made me not read beyong it
[3:47] <prpplague> Orii: just fyi, using a laptop with the RPi, does not make it a laptop, hehe
[3:47] <maicod> heh
[3:47] <peejay> :)
[3:47] <maicod> so for all: the turbo settings are Turbo 1000 500 600 6
[3:48] <Orii> prpplague: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZkz_a52I6s
[3:48] <maicod> 1000 500 600 6
[3:48] <Orii> maicod: how is turbo enabled using only config.txt and not rasp-conf?
[3:48] <maicod> orii: turbo is just another yet higher overclocking mode afaik
[3:49] <prpplague> Orii: yea, i am _very_ familiar with the lapdoc and it's features since i did the reference design for it......, and using a lapdoc with the RPi does not make it a laptop......
[3:49] <Orii> prpplague: dont kick dirt on my dreams! XD
[3:49] <peejay> Orii: the raspi-config program is just a script that makes the changes in config.txt for you
[3:49] <maicod> right :)
[3:49] <Orii> what turbo does is just change the settings dynamicly if the thing is getting to hot right?
[3:49] <jmadero> but does set_overclock still have the temp check?
[3:50] <SpeedEvil> prpplague: no. to make a laptop, you need a pi, a lapdoc, and crucially, duct tape.
[3:50] <Orii> too*
[3:50] <maicod> orii: oh you mean the 'safeguard' for overheating. I don't know anything about that :(
[3:50] <prpplague> SpeedEvil: hehe
[3:50] <jmadero> that's what maintains the warranty
[3:50] <Orii> from what i read that is what turbo does
[3:50] <prpplague> SpeedEvil: and a thermos?
[3:50] <Orii> it allows you to over clock it
[3:50] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[3:51] <SpeedEvil> I'm wondering about nexus 7 laptop now
[3:51] <Orii> and if it gets too hot it will lower the freq so you dont kill your warranty
[3:51] <peejay> hmm
[3:51] <peejay> well, here is the bash script: https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config
[3:51] <maicod> http://pastebin.com/XABUfJDj
[3:51] <Orii> anyone able to clarify>
[3:51] <Orii> ?*
[3:51] <prpplague> SpeedEvil: kindle fire laptop is easier and better, hehe
[3:51] <maicod> this is the part talking about it : http://pastebin.com/XABUfJDj
[3:52] <maicod> whole article is http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
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[3:52] <Prinler> I over clocked my pi to the highest and now the Xwindows only shows gray
[3:52] <Prinler> any ideas?
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[3:53] <SpeedEvil> Prinler: turn it down
[3:53] <Prinler> i just put it back to stock now
[3:53] <Orii> hold the shift key after a reboot
[3:53] <Prinler> same at stock
[3:53] <Orii> will disable over clock
[3:53] <Prinler> Just booted at 700mhz
[3:53] <Orii> you don goodfed
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[3:53] <Prinler> gray with mouse
[3:53] <jmadero> why does the article say that the settings are contained in rasp-config
[3:54] <jmadero> I love when articles don't actually say how to accomplish something
[3:54] <maicod> nah its just the script for 'newbies' to edit the config.txt
[3:54] <maicod> its to make it simple for everyone
[3:54] <Prinler> So can i reconfigure? fix this? or scrap all my hard work?
[3:54] <Prinler> its in /boot/config.txt
[3:55] <Prinler> sudo nano /boot/config.txt
[3:55] <maicod> u could try comment the overclock stuff out and reboot
[3:55] <Prinler> me? its stock now
[3:55] <maicod> but maybe your filesys isnt clean
[3:56] <maicod> I mean corrupted
[3:56] <maicod> I did warn before ;)
[3:56] <maicod> ok but gray X ?
[3:56] <maicod> then there must be damaged files
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[3:56] <Prinler> Its a gray basic screen no icons and larger X mouse icon
[3:56] <Orii> hmmm
[3:56] <maicod> hmm
[3:57] <maicod> did u make a backup ?
[3:57] <Orii> that sounds like a window manager
[3:57] <Orii> fuck....
[3:57] <Orii> twm?
[3:57] <Orii> no
[3:57] <Orii> what does right click do?
[3:57] <Prinler> no way to repair? reinstall xwindows?
[3:57] <prpplague> SpeedEvil: wanna be the RPi wiki maintainer? hehe
[3:57] <peejay> that's X without a window manager
[3:57] <Prinler> nothig
[3:57] <Orii> peejay: i thought x without a wm is blue
[3:58] <jmadero> okay not going to overclock until I figure out about warranty
[3:58] <jmadero> too nervous about burning out my card
[3:58] <Prinler> perhaps i can reinstall the windows manager?
[3:58] <Orii> perhaps
[3:58] <maicod> jmadero: they DO say the presets settings in raspi-config don't void warranty
[3:59] <Prinler> whats the windows manager called in rasp[bian?
[3:59] <peejay> lxde if i recall correctly
[3:59] <peejay> lemme check
[3:59] <jmadero> maicod: but where are these presets??
[3:59] <Orii> Prinler: probably lxde
[3:59] <jmadero> and why would I have to add those #'s if they are presets
[3:59] <Orii> that is a desktop
[3:59] <jmadero> why can't I just do set_overclock turbo
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[3:59] <maicod> jmadero: if you use wheezy theyre inside the raspi-config menu
[4:00] <Orii> jmadero: because that is with raspi-conf
[4:00] <Orii> what maicod said
[4:00] <maicod> but editing them manually would be the same ofcourse
[4:00] <Orii> of course
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[4:00] <jmadero> okay so doing set_overclock turbo 1000 500 600 6
[4:00] <maicod> "We?ve been doing a lot of work to understand the impact of voltage and temperature on lifetime, and are now able to offer a ?turbo mode?, which dynamically enables overclock and overvolt under the control of a cpufreq driver, without affecting your warranty."
[4:00] <jmadero> that one line?
[4:00] <maicod> see the last 3 words ?
[4:01] <Orii> jmadero: nah
[4:01] <Orii> it is multiple lines
[4:01] <jmadero> dammit, why am I struggling so much to understand this, haha
[4:01] <Orii> its cool man
[4:01] <maicod> jmadero: nope use the 4 variables arm_freq=700
[4:01] <maicod> core_freq=250
[4:01] <maicod> sdram_freq=400
[4:01] <maicod> over_voltage=0
[4:01] <Orii> i get why you are confused
[4:01] <cyclick> what is the warranty?
[4:01] <Orii> ^
[4:01] <Prinler> warranties are for the weak hearted
[4:02] <Orii> lol
[4:02] <jmadero> mine is already at arm_freq=840
[4:02] <jmadero> is that different from core_freq?
[4:02] <maicod> yes
[4:02] <maicod> is your arm_freq starting with a # ?
[4:02] <cyclick> I see everywhere it doesnt affect warranty but it doesnt say what it is.. just curious
[4:03] <jmadero> maicod: http://pastebin.com/Cg4VPMFN
[4:03] <jmadero> good?
[4:03] <maicod> lemme see
[4:04] <maicod> you've got core_freq twice
[4:04] <jmadero> oh yeah, the other one was default
[4:04] <Prinler> nothing i do seem to help
[4:04] <jmadero> 250 better than 375?
[4:04] <maicod> hehe remove it
[4:04] <Prinler> stupid xwindows
[4:04] <maicod> remove this line set_overclock turbo 1000 500 600 6
[4:05] <maicod> jmadero: the 4 keywords need to be arm_freq/core_freq/sdram_freq/over_voltage
[4:05] <jmadero> http://pastebin.com/Rey5LAXP
[4:05] <cyclick> Prinler, usually warranties can at least give you an idea of life expectancy
[4:06] <maicod> now take a look at my pastebin
[4:06] <maicod> for instance
[4:06] <maicod> Medium)
[4:06] <maicod> set_overclock Medium 900 250 450 2
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> cyclick: or minimal legal requirements.
[4:06] <maicod> now fill in your config.txt
[4:06] <maicod> arm_freq=900
[4:06] <maicod> core_freq=500
[4:06] <maicod> sdram_freq=600
[4:07] <maicod> over_voltage=6
[4:07] <jmadero> maicod: but before you said core_freq=250?!!?
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> cyclick: unless you're apple
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[4:07] <maicod> jmadero: depends on which prese you use
[4:07] <jmadero> I feel like a moron
[4:07] <jmadero> haha
[4:07] <Prinler> ok well i guess its all gone to hell
[4:07] <cyclick> SpeedEvil, I don't think minimal legal requirements are very good in the US
[4:07] <maicod> Modest)
[4:07] <maicod> set_overclock Modest 800 250 400 0
[4:07] <Prinler> Have you guys seen the people running these things at 2200mhz?
[4:07] <maicod> Medium)
[4:07] <maicod> set_overclock Medium 900 250 450 2
[4:07] <maicod> High)
[4:07] <maicod> set_overclock High 950 250 450 6
[4:08] <jmadero> okay so turbo would be 1000 550 600 6
[4:08] <maicod> overclock)
[4:08] <maicod> set_overclock Turbo 1000 500 600 6
[4:08] <maicod> yeah BUT
[4:08] <maicod> you can't use that lone
[4:08] <maicod> line
[4:08] <jmadero> maicod: http://pastebin.com/sRPN7S8y
[4:08] <maicod> you need to enter them like this:
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[4:08] <jmadero> this is my last attempt before I quit for the night haha
[4:08] <maicod> <maicod> arm_freq=900
[4:08] <maicod> <maicod> core_freq=500
[4:08] <maicod> <maicod> sdram_freq=600
[4:08] <maicod> <maicod> over_voltage=6
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[4:09] <jmadero> I think that pastebin is right then
[4:09] <DMackey> I put mine at arm_freg=800 and sdram_freq=500
[4:09] <cyclick> slackware and rpi: http://www.daves-collective.co.uk/raspi/
[4:09] <maicod> your core_freq=550
[4:09] <DMackey> Really didn't get into it much yet
[4:09] <maicod> it needs to be 500
[4:09] <jmadero> fixed
[4:09] <maicod> 1000 500 600 6
[4:09] <maicod> OK
[4:10] <jmadero> sweet, ready for a reboot??
[4:10] <maicod> jmadero: check the end of your fikle
[4:10] <maicod> file
[4:10] <maicod> doesnt it have any of the same names ?
[4:10] <maicod> put # before them
[4:10] <maicod> or remove them
[4:10] <jmadero> what I showed you was everything in my file
[4:10] <maicod> oh
[4:10] <maicod> huh
[4:10] <jmadero> default xbian
[4:11] <jmadero> plus the three extra lines
[4:11] <jmadero> 2 actually
[4:11] <jmadero> sdram and over voltage
[4:11] <jmadero> okay, here goes reboot
[4:12] <maicod> mine is http://pastebin.com/9GShXCP5
[4:12] <maicod> why did you remove all these nice # lines :)
[4:12] <jmadero> mine was that long with raspbmc
[4:12] <maicod> they explain everything
[4:12] <jmadero> haha they weren't there to begin with
[4:12] <maicod> oh
[4:12] <maicod> ah I see
[4:12] <maicod> sorry :)
[4:12] <jmadero> okay here we go
[4:12] * maicod crosses fingers :)
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[4:13] <peejay> Prinler: any luck yet?
[4:13] <maicod> brb
[4:14] <peejay> seems like x is starting, but lxde is not
[4:14] <Prinler> no
[4:14] <Prinler> nothing
[4:14] <Prinler> im sad
[4:14] <peejay> i'm trying to find out what may have been corrupted
[4:14] <peejay> it's gotta be some x config file
[4:14] <Prinler> i figure, i can ssh in just fine. Webserver working samba working
[4:15] <Prinler> well can we just reinstall it at command line?
[4:15] <Wolfram74> this wheezy distribution is kind of big, takes up 2 gigs
[4:15] <SpeedEvil> can you start lxde?
[4:15] <Prinler> no
[4:16] <Prinler> i can only get x
[4:16] <Prinler> no icons
[4:16] <peejay> what does your ~/.xinitrc file say?
[4:17] <jmadero> booted, no noticeable improvement
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[4:17] <jmadero> dammit, my pi keeps freezing up when I push c to bring up the menu
[4:17] <jmadero> 3rd time
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[4:18] <Prinler> peejay: where is that file located
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[4:18] <peejay> Prinler: in your /home directory
[4:19] <maicod> jmadero:probably unstable overclocking then
[4:19] <jmadero> maicod: nah was happening before also
[4:19] <maicod> ah oh :)
[4:19] <jmadero> after I changed my skin
[4:19] <peejay> /home/<user>/.xinitrc
[4:19] <maicod> you didnt say that LOL
[4:19] <jmadero> lol yes, I mislead haha
[4:19] <maicod> hehe
[4:19] <jmadero> but yeah, locking up, but I can still ssh
[4:19] <maicod> ok
[4:19] <maicod> putty to it :)
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[4:20] <Prinler> nothing there
[4:20] <peejay> interesting
[4:20] <peejay> the file exists, though?
[4:20] <Prinler> sudo nano /home/pi/.xinitrc
[4:20] <Prinler> nothing
[4:20] <Prinler> empty
[4:20] <peejay> try cat /home/pi/.xinitrc
[4:20] <peejay> no sudo necessary
[4:20] <jmadero> I think it just doesn't like aeon
[4:20] <maicod> jmadero: install lame mp3 encoder and use a wav file to encode and time it and then do the same when the pi isnt overclocked
[4:21] <Wolfram74> i have a query, my SD card had 7.8 gigs of space before i installed raspian (which is ~ 1.9 gig), now i've installed it and have .04 gigs of space left, what happened?
[4:21] <Prinler> no file
[4:21] <jmadero> maicod: first thing is getting it to stop freezing so I can watch my show
[4:21] <peejay> lemme boot mine in to raspian quick
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> Wolfram74: the SD image is 2g
[4:21] <maicod> jmadero: it did that before the o/c huh
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> Wolfram74: it needs expanded to fill the card
[4:21] <jmadero> yeah, after I changed around the look a bit
[4:22] <maicod> :(
[4:22] <maicod> hope you can repair it
[4:22] <jmadero> maicod: ditto
[4:22] <maicod> otherwise use a clean xmbc
[4:22] <maicod> image
[4:22] <maicod> xbmc
[4:22] <maicod> duh
[4:22] <Wolfram74> SpeedEvil: so how much space do i have to work with while using the Rpi?
[4:22] <jmadero> worst case I'll just delete .xbmc folder and start that from scratch
[4:22] <maicod> ok
[4:23] <jmadero> wife is ready for a stable media center ;)
[4:23] <SpeedEvil> Wolfram74: if the filesystem doesn't fill the card, just that amount
[4:23] <peejay> Wolfram74: https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/372#resizeMe
[4:23] <maicod> LOL wife's are always ready for tech stuff that the hubby uses a lot of sweat for to make :)
[4:23] <jmadero> aha true, but it was working an hour ago hahaha
[4:24] <jmadero> then I decided to break it by changing skin
[4:24] <maicod> got backups ?
[4:24] <jmadero> ....who do you think I am? some smart decade long linux user?
[4:24] <jmadero> pf
[4:24] <maicod> jmadero: to get the lame encoder just apt-get install lame
[4:24] <jmadero> backup
[4:24] <Prinler> no file for what
[4:24] <Prinler> no xinirtc
[4:24] <maicod> jmadero: LOL
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[4:25] * maicod is heating up the oven
[4:26] <maicod> snacktime :P
[4:26] <cyclick2> the microwave is much faster
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[4:26] <maicod> jmadero: where are you from ? your name sounds a little 'spanish'
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[4:26] <peejay> Prinler: hmm, apparently raspian doesn't have an .xinitrc file
[4:27] <maicod> cyclick2: not everything is microwave ready :P
[4:27] <peejay> lemme look into this
[4:27] <Orii> raspberry pi is now using turbo mode
[4:27] <cyclick2> maicod, true
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[4:27] <jmadero> Orii: mine too :)
[4:27] <maicod> cool and is it stable so far ?
[4:27] <Orii> idle right now. temp is cool
[4:27] <jmadero> Orii: how are you monitoring temp?
[4:27] <Orii> maicod: it runs
[4:27] <Orii> no glitches so far
[4:28] <maicod> cyclick: my sausage rolls are only good for oven :(
[4:28] <Orii> jmadero: lol heat emmission i feel with my hand XD
[4:28] <jmadero> LOL
[4:28] <jmadero> very scientific
[4:28] <Orii> not touching the pi of course
[4:28] <Prinler> I guess i can just redo it
[4:28] <maicod> orii: cool.try to let it 'think' with some encoder or so . I suggested mp3 encoder called lame (apt-get install lame)
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[4:28] <peejay> Prinler: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[4:28] <Prinler> ok
[4:29] <jmadero> maicod: I don't think I can install lame....running Xbian, isn't it basically so stripped I can't install most things?
[4:29] <maicod> peejay: I'm glad your an X expert . I aint :)
[4:29] <Orii> isnt python installed?
[4:29] <Orii> how about i run an infinite loop?
[4:29] <maicod> jmadero: oh the compile it :)
[4:29] <Prinler> ok
[4:29] <maicod> then compile it
[4:29] <Prinler> it says um
[4:29] <jmadero> maicod: and then tell my wife she'll have a stable machine in 2014
[4:29] <jmadero> ;)
[4:29] <maicod> LOL
[4:29] <peejay> maicod: i'm no expert... ;)
[4:30] <Prinler> says /usr/sbin/lightdm
[4:30] <maicod> peejay: well X11 I can only USE
[4:30] <peejay> hehe
[4:30] <maicod> thats very intelligent huh :)
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[4:30] <maicod> LOL
[4:30] <peejay> Prinler: ok, try a 'sudo lightdm'
[4:31] <Prinler> no space left on directory
[4:31] <peejay> eh?
[4:31] <maicod> type df
[4:31] <maicod> see how much space u got left
[4:31] <peejay> it should have popped up a login screen
[4:31] <Wolfram74> ok, i've tried finding out how to on my own, but not sure where to look, how do i log in when all i have is an SD card with the OS in it jmadero, peejay, SpeedEvil?
[4:32] <maicod> wolfram: you mean remote shell ?
[4:32] <maicod> ssh ?
[4:32] <Prinler> 100% used
[4:32] <Orii> maicod: i rather do something cpu hungry without installing something
[4:32] <jmadero> maicod: no I think he's just trying to log in direct
[4:32] <maicod> prinler: ouch
[4:32] <maicod> oh just enter pi and password raspberry
[4:32] <Prinler> where did it go
[4:32] <peejay> huh
[4:32] <cyclick2> Wolfram74, if you dont have an ethernet cable or wifi usb adapter or anything I dont know
[4:32] <peejay> that's weird
[4:33] <Wolfram74> i have the sd card in my main machine
[4:33] <Wolfram74> it'd have to be done via VM, i think?
[4:33] <jmadero> Wolfram74: just plug it in and hook it to hdmi monitor/tv
[4:33] <jmadero> should boot right up
[4:33] <cyclick2> Wolfram74, yes probably.. you dont have a raspberry-pi right?
[4:33] <Orii> can you configure the sd card to just boot the linux distro and have all other data be on an external hard drive?
[4:34] <maicod> orii: yeah its possible. don;t ask me how though :)(
[4:34] <Wolfram74> I do have a Rpi, but I'd like to figure this out
[4:34] <Orii> so you dont have to worry about screwing up the sd by writing and rewriting data
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[4:34] <Prinler> ok
[4:34] <Prinler> i made room
[4:34] <cyclick2> Wolfram74, why would you use a VM when you have the real thing then?
[4:35] <maicod> good maybe its the reason X didnt load that it couldnt write temp files ?
[4:35] <maicod> try it
[4:35] <peejay> that could be
[4:35] <Prinler> ok i did it and it didnt error now what
[4:35] <Wolfram74> because there will be some times when the VM will be more convenient, I have my laptop with me at all times, but the Rpi stays at home, and the SD card lives in my wallet
[4:35] <peejay> but i wonder what ate up all that space
[4:35] <maicod> ah LOL out of space problems
[4:35] <maicod> yeah me too
[4:35] <Wolfram74> so if i want to get a better handle on how the software works, I can practice/explore on a whim
[4:35] <Prinler> how do i close down X to command line via VNC
[4:36] <maicod> vnc can not do console :)
[4:36] <maicod> it can only take over graphical
[4:36] <jmadero> ssh into it
[4:36] <maicod> yeah ssh it
[4:36] <maicod> but it won't take over your tty :)
[4:36] <maicod> it uses pts
[4:36] <maicod> you won't see a copy of the console screen
[4:37] <Prinler> i did
[4:37] <peejay> try rebooting it and see what happens
[4:37] <peejay> sudo shutdown -r now
[4:37] <jmadero> sudo reboot
[4:37] <Prinler> done
[4:37] <peejay> jmadero: that too ;)
[4:37] <maicod> peejay: I always type halt and reboot :)
[4:38] <peejay> they're both aliases to shutdown ;)
[4:38] <Prinler> why
[4:38] <maicod> oh :)
[4:38] <peejay> less typing
[4:38] <Prinler> RUT ROH
[4:38] <maicod> so theyre not actual commands ?
[4:38] <Prinler> No connection now to PI
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[4:38] <maicod> didnt know that
[4:39] <Prinler> OH ITS WORKING!
[4:39] <Prinler> *happy dance*
[4:39] <maicod> yipeeeee
[4:39] <peejay> woot!
[4:40] <maicod> prinler: the stuff that filled your sdcard partition is probably still there ?
[4:40] <Prinler> ok, do the turbo mode... the one that cranks it up when needed... thats the max setting in the config file?
[4:40] <maicod> you cleaned up something else I guess ?
[4:40] <Prinler> the stuff i cleaned was my torrent downloads
[4:40] <Prinler> im having issues with my mnts
[4:40] <maicod> ah but you don't know what else filled it
[4:40] <Prinler> i mount the USB HD but it mounts my SD card sometimes
[4:41] <Prinler> fills it up.
[4:41] <maicod> type fdisk -l first
[4:41] <Prinler> first?
[4:41] <maicod> sometimes the devs trade place
[4:41] <Prinler> before i download something?
[4:41] <maicod> yeah type it before mounting
[4:41] <peejay> ah ha
[4:41] <Prinler> :(
[4:41] <maicod> then see which devicename belongs to which
[4:41] <Prinler> its automatic
[4:41] <maicod> oh :)
[4:41] <maicod> fstab?
[4:41] <ShiftPlusOne> nimtz: sorry, was asleep. Instead of making a separate website, wouldn't it make more sense to try to get those into the main repo if they are stable and into a testing/unstable repo if not?
[4:42] <Prinler> yeah
[4:42] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
[4:42] <maicod> prinler: could still be the same problem. say you change usb slots with your sdcard (in usb reader) and the external hdd
[4:42] <bbond007> man i can't seem to get non-poppy audio out the headphone..
[4:42] <Orii> i feel there is unbalance when im running a slower machine on a huge hd monitor XD
[4:43] <maicod> prinler: maybe it sometimes is /dev/sdc for the hdd and sbb for the sdcard (in usb) and sometimes vice versa
[4:43] <bbond007> Orii, yeah, 27" here, but you know, quake looks pretty good
[4:43] <Prinler> i forget the fstab location to edit it
[4:43] <Prinler> where is it agsin?
[4:43] <maicod> etc/fstav
[4:43] <maicod> etc/fstab
[4:43] <peejay> /etc/fstab
[4:43] <Prinler> wow
[4:43] <Prinler> your fast!
[4:44] <maicod> hah
[4:44] <maicod> most important file ever :)
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[4:44] <peejay> maicod: i may have misspoke about the halt, reboot, shutdown thing :/
[4:44] <Prinler> ok
[4:44] <maicod> oh dont worry
[4:44] <Prinler> i think its wrong
[4:44] <Orii> one of these days when i get the spare cash i setup a home theater system for my parents with an pi and openelec
[4:45] <bbond007> if they ever get window manager using opengles it should be much better running a desktop
[4:45] <peejay> a quick 'man halt' will show a little difference
[4:45] <Orii> a pi*
[4:45] <maicod> peejay: ah then halt is an actual command I think
[4:45] <Prinler> first line
[4:45] <Prinler> first line /dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot vfat defaults 0 2
[4:45] <Prinler> second line /dev/mmcblk0p2 / ext4 defaults,noatime 0 1
[4:46] <Prinler> third last /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext4 defaults 0 0
[4:46] <peejay> maicod: yeah, it looks like sometimes it does call shutdown, but not always
[4:46] <Orii> the pi is slightly warmer now but that is normal
[4:46] <maicod> oh ok peejay
[4:46] <Orii> very slightly
[4:46] <maicod> peejay: typing halt will do the job I guess
[4:46] * peejay nods
[4:46] <Prinler> on the third line, shouldnt it be /dev/sda /mnt/sda1 ext4 defaults 0 0
[4:46] <maicod> ,noatime is handy
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[4:47] <maicod> it makes the system not update the file times
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[4:47] <peejay> Prinler: no, because you want it to mount that particular partition on /dev/sda
[4:47] <maicod> file access times
[4:47] <Prinler> ok
[4:47] <Prinler> So i have 1 USB drive
[4:48] <Prinler> Gparted shows that partition as /dev/sda1
[4:48] <Prinler> so this is right ? /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext4 defaults 0 0
[4:48] <maicod> peejay: what is wrong in his example?
[4:48] <Prinler> mount sda1 partition to /mnt/sda1?
[4:49] <Orii> hey are their raspberry pi cases that have the t-bar lock hole?
[4:49] <peejay> maicod: Prinler was asking about changing /dev/sda1 to simply /dev/sda
[4:49] <maicod> oh no thats wrong
[4:49] <maicod> ofc it needs to be a specific partition on a device
[4:49] <Prinler> i need it to mount the same every darn time
[4:49] <Prinler> OFC?
[4:49] <peejay> of course
[4:49] <Prinler> ok
[4:50] <Prinler> ok in /mnt
[4:50] <Prinler> I see sda1 and sdba
[4:50] <Prinler> I see sda1 and sdb1
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[4:50] <Prinler> If sda1 is my USB HD what is sdb1
[4:50] <Prinler> nohting in fstab
[4:50] <peejay> that's a good question
[4:50] <peejay> lol
[4:51] <Prinler> ARG
[4:51] <maicod> fdisk -l and see if it says a size
[4:51] <maicod> maybe you recognize it by its size
[4:51] <Prinler> not listed
[4:51] <nimtz> ShiftPlusOne: not sure how to add anything to the main repo
[4:51] <maicod> oh then its not occupied
[4:51] <Prinler> well if its not in fstab then whos making it
[4:51] <peejay> curious what created it
[4:51] <maicod> where do u see it then?
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[4:52] <Prinler> well im a noob, i may habe
[4:52] <maicod> in /dev ?
[4:52] <ShiftPlusOne> nimtz: fair enough, just throwing the idea out there. I just don't like good stuff being spread all over the place.
[4:52] <Prinler> in /mnt
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[4:52] <peejay> maicod: no, it's in his /mnt folder
[4:52] <maicod> oh thats a spare mountpoint
[4:52] <maicod> maybe
[4:52] <maicod> its there fore IF you want to use it
[4:52] <Prinler> well i had another USB HD but i removed it and deleted it from fstab
[4:52] <maicod> yeah then its probably created
[4:52] <maicod> sometimes X automounts stuff too
[4:52] <peejay> ahh
[4:52] <maicod> but thats often in /media
[4:53] <Prinler> well make it go away its scares me
[4:53] <Prinler> sudo rm -rf
[4:53] <peejay> make sure you specify the right directory ;)
[4:53] <Prinler> sudo rm -rf /
[4:53] <peejay> hehe
[4:54] <Prinler> :p
[4:54] <Prinler> sudo blowup
[4:54] <Prinler> never works :(
[4:54] <cyclick2> anyone else having issues with cifs mount points timeout delay being 15+ minutes?
[4:55] <Prinler> sudo kill kenny
[4:55] <maicod> you can safely deleted directories in /mnt if theyre empty (i.e. nothing is mounted on it) BEWARE if its mounted you'll delete all of the contents of the device mounted to it 1
[4:55] <maicod> !
[4:55] <Prinler> no dev connected
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[4:55] <Prinler> but i think transmission was defaulting to it
[4:55] * maicod made a /mnt2 :)
[4:55] <Prinler> so it was saving it on my SD card
[4:56] <maicod> oh thats what happened !
[4:56] <maicod> it filled your sdcard then :(
[4:56] <cyclick2> maicod, I made a /home/pi/media ;)
[4:56] <Prinler> yes sir
[4:56] <nimtz> ShiftPlusOne: well, a single site with all the common non-repo stuff would be useful
[4:56] <maicod> hehehe cool :)
[4:57] <Prinler> ok turbo mode is working now
[4:57] <maicod> prinler: if theres nothing mounted to /mnt/<something> then its a normal directory on the sdcard
[4:57] <Prinler> How can i cpuburn?
[4:57] <maicod> so thats what happened
[4:57] <maicod> peejay: we've finally figured it all out huh :)
[4:57] <peejay> :D
[4:57] <Prinler> ok, well how do i remove it to remove the confusion
[4:57] <maicod> he filled the sdcard :)
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[4:58] <maicod> just delete the directory
[4:58] <maicod> is it empty?
[4:58] <peejay> make sure it's empty
[4:58] <Prinler> i did
[4:58] <maicod> or still having the copied files
[4:58] <Prinler> every time i boot it is there
[4:58] <maicod> cd /mnt
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[4:58] <peejay> or rather, not filled with stuff you'd like to keep
[4:58] <Prinler> like chucky the doll
[4:58] <maicod> rm -f devb
[4:58] <alcides> lol
[4:58] <cyclick2> cant wait to get another sd card to try slackberrypi
[4:58] <maicod> if the name is debb
[4:58] <peejay> hah
[4:58] <maicod> devb
[4:58] <maicod> sdab
[4:58] <maicod> damn
[4:59] <peejay> sdb
[4:59] <maicod> omg
[4:59] <ohhmaar> anyone here have a macbook air?
[4:59] <maicod> sorry I'm becoming erratic LOL
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[4:59] <peejay> hehe
[4:59] <maicod> peejay: I need an energy boost :)
[4:59] <Prinler> ok sdb1 is rm-r'ed
[4:59] <maicod> yay
[4:59] <maicod> what does /mnt hold ?
[4:59] <maicod> what else ?
[4:59] <Prinler> ohhmaar i have many hackintosh no acual macs
[5:00] <Prinler> only sda1
[5:00] <maicod> good
[5:00] <cyclick2> I boycott actual macs
[5:00] <Prinler> i love hackintosh
[5:00] <Prinler> i buy the OS and install it on my intel pc's
[5:00] <Prinler> love it
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[5:00] <ohhmaar> i would attempt to build a hackintosh, but i need a laptop
[5:01] <Prinler> If you could go to Best Buy and say yeah,,,, i want that one, with OSX not Win 8.....
[5:01] <Prinler> Apple would come up
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[5:01] <Prinler> ohhmaar, i am selling my laptop
[5:01] <Prinler> dualcore
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[5:01] <cyclick2> Prinler, steve jobs dont want that
[5:01] <ohhmaar> i'm done with pcs bro, Prinler.
[5:01] <Prinler> it has osx installed
[5:02] <Prinler> lion :p
[5:02] <ohhmaar> lol
[5:02] <Prinler> macbooks are 5x the price
[5:02] <cyclick2> whats wrong with pcs?
[5:02] <Prinler> I want $150
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[5:02] <Prinler> 17" Dell insparon
[5:02] <maicod2> I got disconn
[5:02] <Prinler> inspiron
[5:02] <Prinler> W/E
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[5:03] <Prinler> its a project
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[5:04] <Prinler> would trade for pi's
[5:04] <maicod> I got disconnected and maico was in use
[5:04] <maicod> maicod
[5:05] <peejay> you were still connected as maicod
[5:06] <maicod> yeah but that was fake
[5:06] <maicod> my wifi had disconnected a couple of mins ago
[5:06] <maicod> the irc server thought I was still there ;)
[5:06] <cyclick2> my friend peer disconnected you
[5:06] <maicod> heh
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[5:06] <peejay> hehe
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[5:08] <maicod> it disconnected me right after I said bbl. it was probably psychic LOL
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[5:09] <cyclick2> you must have said bbl after you got disconnected (I didnt see it)
[5:09] <peejay> the bbl never made it to the channel
[5:09] <maicod> ah !
[5:09] <maicod> it cheated on me :)
[5:10] <cyclick2> irc should fix this issue, its been around forever
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[5:10] <maicod> its how irc was 'designed'
[5:10] <maicod> irc is old :)
[5:10] <maicod> love it still
[5:10] <cyclick2> at least they fixed some other issues like nickname collisions
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[5:11] <maicod> cyclick2: every irc-network (like freenode /ircnet/undernet) has their own quirks
[5:12] <maicod> and freenode is much better configured
[5:12] <maicod> I like the nickserv stuff
[5:12] <cyclick2> maicod, yes thats true too
[5:12] <cyclick2> efnet was more like you are on your own
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[5:13] <Prinler> I have a few USB wireless dongles. How would i go about getting them to work? http://www.engeniustech.com/business-networking/discontinued-eol/296-80211g-high-power-250mw-long-range-wireless-g-usb-adapter-with-detachable-antenna-and-superg-108mbps
[5:13] <cyclick2> (channel takeover and become invite only was common)
[5:13] <Prinler> http://www.rosewill.com/products/1116/ProductDetail_Overview.htm
[5:14] <cyclick2> Prinler, mine worked out of the box but you might be able to find a driver somewhere for yours
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[5:15] <cyclick2> Prinler, with linux it's always easier if you check before hand for compatibility
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[5:16] <maicod> prinler: did you buy if especially for the Pi ?
[5:17] <maicod> common realtek and ralink have their modules already loaded in wheezy
[5:17] <peejay> Prinler: here's some info on the rosewill one: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=12383
[5:17] <peejay> you need a powered hub for it apparently
[5:17] <maicod> yea
[5:18] <maicod> on the old rev Pi it will make the polyfuses melt
[5:18] <maicod> I heard
[5:18] <maicod> no own experience
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[5:19] <maicod> I mean when using the wifi dongle in the Pi directly. And btw you don't have 3 ports for mouse and keyboard and wifi dongle
[5:19] <peejay> yeah, i haven't ventured into wifi at all with mine yet
[5:19] <Prinler> whoa, the rosewill one is P&P
[5:19] <maicod> peejay: but your not using wheezy huh
[5:19] <maicod> ?
[5:19] <peejay> no, i'm not
[5:19] <cyclick2> my wifi usb adapter worked but I had some stability issues so I switched back to ethernet
[5:19] <maicod> peejay: ah ok. so you can't just apt-get firmware-x >
[5:19] <maicod> ?
[5:20] <Prinler> how do i ipconfig
[5:20] <maicod> x is the name of say realtek or ralink
[5:20] <peejay> not on the pi, no
[5:20] <maicod> ok
[5:20] <maicod> then its compiling time :(
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[5:20] <peejay> there are some firmware packages for arch, though
[5:21] <peejay> i just haven't had a need to deal with wifi yet
[5:21] <maicod> prinler: if the wlan0 is present the dongle's drive is detected on raspberry wheezy and you can go to X and use wpa_gui to fill in the wifi password etc.
[5:21] <maicod> drive=driver
[5:21] <maicod> peejay: ah I hated the long wire over the ground :)
[5:21] <maicod> the ethernet cable
[5:22] <maicod> I got a sitecom dualband dongle wl-329
[5:22] <Prinler> ok
[5:22] <maicod> don't need the dualband :)
[5:22] <Prinler> its a weird program
[5:22] <maicod> it wasnt bought for the Pi :)
[5:22] <peejay> hehe, it is a bit of a pain, but i want to solve one isue at a time ;)
[5:22] <maicod> ofc
[5:22] <peejay> right now it's alsa
[5:23] <maicod> oh on wheezy it works quite good these days (analog audio port) but only when a sound stops or starts it make a disturbance sound
[5:23] <maicod> not during the sounds
[5:23] <maicod> that was on earlier wheezys
[5:23] <Prinler> ok wifi crashed lol
[5:23] <maicod> LOL
[5:23] <Prinler> that didnt last long
[5:23] <cyclick2> I use a TP-Link WR703N router as a wifi -> ethernet converter
[5:23] <maicod> nope :)
[5:24] <maicod> hehe
[5:24] <cyclick2> (openwrt)
[5:24] <maicod> OK
[5:24] <maicod> so its a wifi to lan switch ?
[5:24] <bbond007> maicod, i noticed that in this program i wrote... popping on headphone
[5:24] <Prinler> how do it check if wlan0 has ip[
[5:24] <peejay> it works ok in arch, but i can make it crash but having two applications access the device
[5:24] <Prinler> ifconfig? ifup?
[5:24] <bbond007> route
[5:24] <maicod> bbond007: its annoying but its better than during the playing of sounds (it did that b4)
[5:25] <maicod> prinler:ifconfig
[5:25] <maicod> see if u got a wlan0
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[5:25] <Prinler> * U 0 0 0 eth0
[5:25] <Prinler> * U 0 0 0 wlan0
[5:25] <maicod> and then go to X
[5:25] <maicod> and then load wpa_gui
[5:25] <maicod> and fill in the stuff
[5:25] <Prinler> ok i see it
[5:25] <Prinler> 1.134
[5:25] <Prinler> very nice
[5:25] <maicod> whats 1.134 ?
[5:26] <Prinler> I really hope it works with rasbmc
[5:26] <Prinler>
[5:26] <bbond007> you can also do ifconfig elan0
[5:26] <Prinler> i figured i could but it didnt show the ip
[5:26] <Prinler> took a little
[5:26] <maicod> it normally shows under the listings in ifconfig
[5:27] <bbond007> i always go fo route first as it will tell you if you have an ip and gateway
[5:27] <maicod> if its not there it isnt connected to tcp/ip
[5:27] <cyclick2> route first then firewall
[5:27] * maicod never uses route command :)
[5:27] <maicod> used
[5:27] <Prinler> cool it works
[5:28] <maicod> hope its stable
[5:28] <maicod> was the signal fine ?
[5:28] <cyclick2> maicod, I just started and it's much easier then firewall
[5:28] <Prinler> now i just need a pi, anyone wanna sell a 256mb pi? help fund the new 512 one you wanna get?
[5:28] <maicod> ok cyclick2
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[5:29] <maicod> prinler: I got one but quake3 is crashing while it doesnt crash on my other Pi
[5:29] <cyclick2> Prinler, I have a 512mb
[5:29] <bbond007> my original wifi usb thing was a dwl-0122 and it had the k.module and everything, just worked horribly slow if at all...
[5:29] <maicod> wifi G ?
[5:29] <maicod> or B ?
[5:30] <bbond007> G
[5:30] <maicod> ah
[5:30] <cyclick2> Prinler, how much are you will to pay for a 512 without shipping costs?
[5:30] <Prinler> hmm
[5:30] <bbond007> the now one i have is a trendnet and its much smaller and better...
[5:30] <maicod> cyclick2: you're a seller of the new Pis ?
[5:31] <Prinler> I dunno man, is it used? like $35 shipping?
[5:31] <jmadero> so just a heads up xbian doesn't like aeon nox
[5:31] <cyclick2> maicod, not really, but I have a second one that I might sell
[5:31] <maicod> ah ok
[5:31] <bbond007> the kernel does say some crap about the realtech module not being mainstream and a "you have been warned" but it works great :)
[5:32] <maicod> cyclick2: he asked for a 256 one and I got one. it seems to be alright but I find it weird that quake3 crashes on it while it doesnt on my other pi
[5:32] <Prinler> cyclick2 where you located?
[5:32] <bbond007> even streaming video, but its only going 15 foot :)
[5:32] <cyclick2> Prinler, sorry I will use it in my car for that price ;)
[5:33] <maicod> cyclick2 is commercial :P
[5:33] <Prinler> Well, they sell for $35 and $10 shipping so $45 right? if its new i would pay that
[5:33] <cyclick2> maicod, if quake crashed I would say that is a bad sign
[5:34] <maicod> cyclick2: yeah its weird. I emailed element14 but so far no replies :(
[5:34] <maicod> theyre too large firm !
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[5:35] <Prinler> cyc name your price
[5:35] <cyclick2> Prinler, I'm in florida.. why dont you get it from element14? you can get it for that price
[5:36] <cyclick2> maicod, did you do memory test?
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[5:36] <maicod> cyclick2: 3 months ago but not recently. I did measure tp1-tp2 and it was the same as the other Po
[5:36] <maicod> Pi
[5:37] <maicod> what memory test you recommend ?
[5:38] <bbond007> i got mine from MCM
[5:38] <bbond007> i wish i would have just gotten 2
[5:38] <cyclick2> maicod, I usually dont have any memory corruption .. but maybe memtester
[5:39] <maicod> i'll try to see if I can find a package :)
[5:40] <maicod> its there :)
[5:41] <maicod> cyclick2: it could be ofc also be a faulty GPU
[5:41] <maicod> i'll test mem thoug
[5:41] <maicod> though
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[5:42] <cyclick2> I'm sure there could be many other causes... I haven't tried Quake on pi .. that was just my first guess
[5:43] * cyclick2 is now known as cyclick
[5:44] <maicod> cyclick2: the pi on which I compiled quake was is the one crashing so its not that it doesnt work on another Pi since its maybe slightly different (it has another brand of memory)
[5:44] <maicod> so the pi on which its not compiled runs the quake fine
[5:47] <maicod> ok the naughty Pi is booting :)
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[5:50] <maicod> I changed the gpu_mem to 16 so the memory is as large as possible
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[5:54] <somethinginteres> how on earth do I plug a monitor into the Model B? Can't find any connection that fits
[5:55] <SpeedEvil> standadhdmi
[5:55] <SpeedEvil> standard HDMI
[5:55] <maicod> hdmi or analog composite (not recommended)
[5:56] <bbond007> they sell a converter for vga
[5:57] <maicod> really ? I mean vga-hdmi would need expensivr
[5:57] <peejay> or you can buy an hdmi to dvi converter
[5:57] <maicod> really ? I mean vga-hdmi would need expensivre hardware
[5:57] <maicod> vga is analog
[5:57] <maicod> hdmi digital
[5:58] <maicod> peejay: yeah only dvi-d ofc
[5:58] <bbond007> maicod, i ordered one off ebay for $10, i'm not 100% sure it will work but it looks the same as the one MCM sells, and some dude says a generic one works
[5:58] <maicod> bbond007: got the weblink?
[5:58] <SpeedEvil> bbond007: it won't
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[5:58] <maicod> sounds intresting
[5:58] <SpeedEvil> if you mean HDMI to VGA
[5:58] <maicod> nope that doesnt work
[5:58] <bbond007> ya
[5:58] <maicod> it needs expensive hardware to convert analog to digital
[5:59] <SpeedEvil> those rely on the 'card' supporting analog out on HDMI pine
[5:59] <SpeedEvil> pins
[5:59] <SpeedEvil> many do
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[5:59] <maicod> oh yea analog-hdmi
[5:59] <SpeedEvil> working converters need a power supply
[5:59] <maicod> speedevil: it has a distinctive metal blade on the connectors face huh
[6:00] <maicod> so it can't be inserted in the wrong dvi-d connector or so
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[6:02] <bbond007> i http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/DISTRIBUTED-BY-MCM-2133899-/83-14407
[6:02] <maicod> ah 25 usd
[6:03] <bbond007> i ordered on off ebay that looks it it
[6:03] <maicod> it looks to be an active digital to analog converer
[6:03] <maicod> OK
[6:03] <bbond007> and some dude reports the generic one works
[6:03] <maicod> lets hope its not fake
[6:03] <bbond007> ya
[6:03] <maicod> generic as in ?
[6:03] <maicod> cause passthrough won't work
[6:03] <maicod> it needs electronics to convert signal
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[6:05] <bbond007> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-male-to-VGA-RGB-female-Video-Converter-adapter-1080P-for-project-tablet-BK-/160907657451?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2576d800eb
[6:05] <bbond007> that the one i bought i think
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[6:06] <maicod> SpeedEvil: I meant this connector http://tinyurl.com/8o4u3xw
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[6:07] <bbond007> oops
[6:07] <bbond007> its this one
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[6:08] <maicod> hope the Pi can deliver enough power on the HMDI bus
[6:08] <bbond007> well, i think MCMs is the same as the ebay one just more $$$. i'll find out
[6:08] <maicod> yea
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[6:09] <bbond007> if not is possible it will work with my Amiga1200
[6:09] <maicod> :)
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[6:51] <Prinler> Is there anyway to do like a cpuburn? load the cpu and monitor the heat? not sure if my case is being to restrictive
[6:53] <Blu3Knight> Prinler: Through proc??? trying to find the correct one
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[6:54] <Blu3Knight> Try this ??? cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperatur
[6:55] <Prinler> i can read the temp but i need to load up the cpu
[6:55] <Blu3Knight> Then just set up a cron and have it log the CPU, time and temp to a file
[6:56] <Prinler> i need to cause the cpu to be 100%
[6:56] <Prinler> Not to log it
[6:56] <Blu3Knight> Prinler: compile something
[6:56] <Prinler> I need it to calculate pi or something
[6:58] <Prinler> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pistresstest/
[6:58] <Prinler> winner winner
[6:58] <Blu3Knight> http://www.devin.com/lookbusy/
[6:59] <peejay> cpuburn should be in the repository
[6:59] <Prinler> doesnt run on arm i heard
[7:00] <discopig> allwinner
[7:01] <peejay>
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[7:03] <peejay> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpuburn
[7:04] <peejay> armhf looks supprted
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[7:04] <Prinler> E: Package 'cpuburn' has no installation candidate
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[7:05] <discopig> what distributon are you using?
[7:05] <Prinler> wheezy
[7:05] <peejay> weird
[7:05] <discopig> ubuntu only supports armv7 and up for armhf
[7:06] <discopig> you could probably just compile it
[7:06] <discopig> i dont know if raspbian has it in its repos
[7:06] <Prinler> no idea how and im off to bed
[7:07] <Prinler> night all
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[7:10] <peejay> a quick google search for raspian cpuburn leads me to believe it's in main
[7:10] * peejay shrugs
[7:10] <peejay> also off to bed
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[7:13] <Jimu> Got my SD cards and cables today, and did a little testing/installing with the Raspbian install... Are the apt-get repositories rather old for a reason?
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[7:14] <Jimu> maybe just not that many updates ARM packages?
[7:14] <Jimu> *updated
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[7:16] <[deXter]> Debian is rather old in general. :P
[7:17] <[deXter]> If you're looking for something more cutting edge, try fedora, or if you want bleeding edge try Arch ^_^
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[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> fedora feel awkward =/
[7:17] <ShiftPlusOne> *feels
[7:17] <[deXter]> O.o why, is it because of gnome 3?
[7:18] <Jimu> On running the desktop (startx), I quickly wished I had a "real" browser. Does Chrome run okay?
[7:18] <[deXter]> *Chromium, and yes it does run pretty smooth
[7:19] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, I don't like their package management system. Could never get used to it.
[7:19] <Jimu> On other Linux OS installs (desktop PCs), Chrome has seemed quicker and more responsive than Chromium. Might be wrong.
[7:20] <[deXter]> It's probably placebo..
[7:22] <Jimu> I installed Node js via apt-get, and it was version 0.4.something, where the current version is 0.8.14. I've since compiled 0.8.14 from source... Can I add this to the repository to save others?
[7:24] <Jimu> seems silly everyone should compile for 2+ hours for the same result
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[7:53] <As001> hello I am still struggling to play video on my raspberry pi. I changed OS type to new 512M image and I still can play some avi files but I have no luck with mp4 file. I tried to change it to ogv but when I play it with omxplayer I get vcodec id unknown.
[7:54] <bircoe> what do you have the gpu mem split set to?
[7:55] <As001> http://pastebin.com/eP9G9vqR here is pastebin
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[7:55] <As001> i get 64 to video
[7:55] <As001> is it possible that omxplayer does not support open codec like theora ?
[7:55] <bircoe> try 128 for video
[7:55] <As001> ok I can try that
[7:56] <ShiftPlusOne> As001: did you check which codecs are hardware accelerated?
[7:56] <As001> how can I check that ?
[7:56] <bircoe> again with the mono audio stream... did you try changing it to a stereo stream?
[7:57] <ShiftPlusOne> THe main website, elinux wiki, wikipedia... it's all over the place. " 1080p30 h.264/MPEG-4 AVC high-profile decoder"
[7:57] <As001> Hmm I can try that too but I can hear audio
[7:58] <bircoe> you can also try loading up an XBMC based distro like OpenELEC or RapBMC and see if they can play the streams
[7:58] <bircoe> have you tried other video's or you keep trying with the same one?
[7:59] <As001> I tried with avi which goes around 200kbps birtrate and it is fine. This one mp4 with around 500 is problem and I tried to convert it to ogv but no success. However that mp4 is fine on desktop machine.
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[8:00] <As001> ok thanks I will try to change audio to stereo.
[8:00] <As001> Then I will come back with results.
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[8:01] <herdingcat> hi, raspberry pi is still making?
[8:02] <bircoe> what?
[8:02] <herdingcat> It seems there's no more kit in element14.
[8:02] <bircoe> are you asking if they are still producing Raspberry Pi's?
[8:02] <herdingcat> bircoe, yes
[8:03] <bircoe> yes they are, what would make you think they're not?
[8:03] <herdingcat> bircoe, still producing?
[8:03] <bircoe> yes
[8:03] <herdingcat> bircoe, I just check the element14 and they told me they cannot get it
[8:03] <Jimu> how do we (users) add to the Raspbian repository to save a lot of compiling by other users?
[8:03] <bircoe> you mean Out of Stock?
[8:03] <herdingcat> bircoe, yes
[8:04] <bircoe> Out of Stock just means they don't have any in stock to ship to you...
[8:04] <bircoe> they are most likely waiting on their next shipment
[8:04] <Jimu> or waiting for enough orders to run another batch
[8:05] <bircoe> Jimu, try finding the project page for raspbian and ask to become a contributer...
[8:05] <herdingcat> bircoe, but I don't think the producing ability is good
[8:05] <bircoe> or more to the point the demand is excessive...
[8:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Jimu, I think there's a #raspbian channel, but I am not sure.
[8:06] <Jimu> there is, no one is talking there, though ;)
[8:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Jimu: ah fair enough, then I guess the raspbian folks won't be talking here either
[8:06] <bircoe> herdingcat, why don't you call your closest element14 and ask when they expect more stock
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[8:08] <herdingcat> bircoe, tried. They told me they don't know.
[8:08] <bircoe> well if they can't tell you when there will be more stock theres not much more we can tell you.
[8:10] <herdingcat> bircoe, okay, thank you.
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[8:11] <bircoe> hmmm kids are quiet... that can't be good.
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[8:15] <As001> I tried with 128M for video but get same result with this mp4 file buggy green screen with few small colour boxes and good audio.
[8:16] <bircoe> TRY ANOTHER MP4 FILE
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[8:17] <As001> I can try but can someone tell me first can I play ogv (theora) video with omxplayer or not
[8:17] <As001> I get complain about video codec when I try this
[8:18] <bircoe> do a google search...
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[8:18] <bircoe> first result with the term "omxplayer ovg" is this:
[8:18] <bircoe> https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer/issues/38
[8:19] <bircoe> ogv rather
[8:20] <As001> ok thanks
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[8:21] <bircoe> that guy is anoying!!! he's been trying to play the same damned mp4 file for a couple of weeks!
[8:25] <ShiftPlusOne> did he specify the codec?
[8:25] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, sorry, I thought mp4 was a container, nvrm
[8:26] <bircoe> don't know... but he doesn't do any testing he just runs straight for help.
[8:26] <ShiftPlusOne> wait, it is a container, nvrm again.
[8:27] <bircoe> mp4 can have multiple meanings... for one it can be a container, usually having h264 video and a aac audio stream
[8:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I looked it up already =D
[8:28] <bircoe> or it can mean mpeg4 abbreviated, which is the codec standard
[8:28] <bircoe> there are many forms of mpeg4 codecs, h264 is one of them, xvid, divx etc are both mpeg4 codecs
[8:29] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, try not to be too rude to the beginners. A simple lmgtfy link should get the point across.
[8:29] <bircoe> not trying to be rude, but you can only repeat yourself soo many times.
[8:29] <axion> they are all implementations of the mpeg4 standard
[8:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I know, it's just a general comment, not saying you were.
[8:29] <axion> part 10 defines h264, part 14 defines the container
[8:31] <ShiftPlusOne> they really like to complicate these standards =/
[8:31] <axion> any software can implement a codec using or deviating from this standard
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[8:31] <axion> the standard is not a codec itself
[8:31] <axion> it is just a set of guidelines for making one
[8:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Might be worth asking him to run "file hisfile.mp4" and paste the output to see what he's actually trying to play.
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[8:33] <bircoe> I'll be leaving the trouble shooting to others next time... i deal enough with people that refuse to read at work.
[8:34] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[8:47] <axion> no no
[8:48] <axion> h264 is a standard. x264 is a codec. mpeg-4 visual is a standard. xvid and divx are codecs.
[8:48] <ShiftPlusOne> couldn't be simpler.
[8:49] <axion> h264 (standard) should not be alongside codecs like divx or xvid
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[8:50] <bircoe> hang on... isn't h264 the codec while x264 is the encoder?
[8:51] <bircoe> H.264/MPEG-4 AVC is a block-oriented motion-compensation-based codec standard developed by the ITU-T Video Coding Experts Group
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[8:53] <axion> yes, it is not a codec, but a standard for a codec to encode video capable of being decoded by hardware that decodes video following the standard
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[9:02] <axion> ffmpeg h264 decoder and x264 are the 'codecs'. you are referring to part 10 of the mpeg-4 'standard' - instructions on how to encode video data to be read by hardware or software decoders compatibly
[9:02] <axion> there are other codecs for this stnadard too...not limited to them
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[9:06] <anacron> I broke my wheezy with dist-upgarde :(
[9:07] <herdingcat> what bootloader rpi uses?
[9:08] <anacron> herdingcat: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[9:29] <jelly1> ugh discovered opencv is horrible slow on the pi
[9:29] <jelly1> i wonder how easy it is to work with the GPU
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[9:39] <Xark> jelly1: You can look at the GLES examples in /opt/vc
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[9:40] <jelly1> Xark: hmm
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[9:48] <jelly1> any way to show the cpu frequency
[9:48] <jelly1> ?
[9:48] <Armand> 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[9:49] <jelly1> nope
[9:49] <bircoe> Xark, I watched that review... looks like a fun little game!
[9:50] <jelly1> Armand: it doesnt state it
[9:50] <Armand> Should do. O_o
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[9:50] <Xark> :D
[9:50] <bircoe> not on the Pi
[9:50] <Armand> D'oh!
[9:50] <bircoe> cpuinfo only shows the bogomipis score
[9:50] <Armand> My bad... -_-
[9:50] <jelly1> indeed
[9:50] <jelly1> duh cpupower
[9:50] <Armand> must.... not... host... command.. >_<
[9:51] <bircoe> but in the case of the Pi this translates roughly to MHz
[9:51] <jelly1> ok i am running on 1000 Mhz
[9:51] <jelly1> i am gooiiing so faaast
[9:51] <bircoe> a 700mhz clocked pi should shoe a bm score of 697
[9:51] <jelly1> lol
[9:51] <jelly1> 697.95 here
[9:52] <jelly1> all depends on the calculation
[9:52] <jelly1> I have a problem with opencv being so slow
[9:53] <bircoe> there is something to show mhz... i'll see if i can find it
[9:53] <jelly1> bircoe: it just told you
[9:53] <jelly1> cpupower frequency-info
[9:53] <jelly1> current CPU frequency is 1000 MHz.
[9:53] <jelly1> oh btw
[9:53] <bircoe> oh
[9:53] <bircoe> heh
[9:53] <lunra> vcgencommand
[9:53] <Armand> 'vcgencmd measure_clock arm' works, if you've got the rpi-update.. ?
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[9:53] <bircoe> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[9:54] <lunra> *vcgencmd
[9:54] <bircoe> try that one :)
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[9:54] <lunra> But to use that, you may need to fill your LD_PRELOAD envvar with /opt/vc/lib or something close, look around
[9:54] <lunra> But that's only if you get missing library errors
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[9:55] <Armand> I'm using Raspbian, so.. I can't really say. :P
[9:56] <jelly1> i wonder if the default firmware scales the freq
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[9:56] <bircoe> depends how new
[9:56] <jelly1> it doesnt
[9:57] <jelly1> i guess i need to set something on config.txt
[9:57] <jelly1> hardware limits: 700 MHz - 700 MHz
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[10:06] <[SLB]> ie. arm_freq=900
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[10:07] <jelly1> [SLB]: i want the frequency to be dynamic
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[10:07] <[SLB]> yes
[10:07] <[SLB]> between what
[10:07] <jelly1> 700-1000
[10:07] <jelly1> or isnt that possible P
[10:07] <[SLB]> arm_freq=1000
[10:08] <jelly1> hmm
[10:08] <jelly1> [SLB]: then it regulates according to the governor?
[10:08] <[SLB]> yes
[10:08] <jelly1> nice
[10:09] <[SLB]> the minimum freq is also settable with arm_freq_min, in case you want to change the default value of 700
[10:09] <jelly1> hmm
[10:09] <jelly1> [SLB]: cool works
[10:09] <[SLB]> nice :)
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[10:17] <bircoe> hmmm seens theres no way to get a copy of IBM AIX.... anyone know of a very similar alternative?
[10:18] <lunra> Other than curiousity, what the heck would you want AIX for?
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[10:19] <lunra> How similar do you need? There is IRIX, HPUX, and the BSDs...
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps & chapeses.
[10:19] <lunra> Morning gordonDrogon :)
[10:19] <lunra> Just stick a few hundred NOPs in the interrupt handler to simulate the performance of AIX.
[10:20] <discopig> lol
[10:20] <discopig> that's accurate
[10:21] <bircoe> lunra... our AIX guy just quit, they'll desperately be looking for someone to take over and the chancees of there being anyone else in our org that knows anything about AIX or is even remotely interested are pretty much none
[10:21] <lunra> I'm only saying that for a laugh, I have no idea how AIX performs
[10:21] <bircoe> hah
[10:21] <lunra> bircoe: As long as you're good with Unix, you should adapt fine
[10:22] <lunra> If you're lucky you might be able to find a shell box on the net running AIX ... or you can write a crawler that illegally tries to telnet into AIX boxes with the password 'root'
[10:22] <bircoe> LOL
[10:23] <bircoe> given the org I work for that's not the most desirable approach.
[10:23] <lunra> I've no doubt you'll find a few open boxes :P
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[10:25] <basti> hello. ine question: i have an psu with an output of 5.35V. will that work with the pi, or is that too much?
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[10:25] <lunra> basti: Best not to risk it
[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd use it, but I wouldn't recommend it.
[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> but I have a few spare pis
[10:26] <basti> ok. i guess i will use a resistor or something
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[10:27] <gordonDrogon> you have AIX servers still running?
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[10:29] <bircoe> apparently so, we have many mission critical systems that must have 0 downtime
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> basti, if it's designed to power usb devices it might be ok, but it sounds like it's not that well regulatd.
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, well, er, good luck :)
[10:30] <tzarc> AIX is.... interesting.
[10:30] <tzarc> the management console can be quite useful too
[10:30] <tzarc> been ages since I used one tho
[10:32] <lunra> Is mission critical. Runs outdated, proprietary, unmaintainable OS. Gotta love 'organisations' :)
[10:32] <basti> gordonDrogon, it is a psu for harddrives. it hast two outputs. 5V and 12V. it has 2A, thats why i want to use it
[10:33] <bircoe> mission critical as in could potentially result in life threatening situations if it's not working!
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[10:34] <lunra> o_o. Please tell me you don't work at a nuke silo
[10:36] <Draylor> hah. havent touched AIX in 10+ years
[10:36] <Draylor> yet i still have the nightmares ;)
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> basti, well ... who knows. if it were me, I'm probably plug it in, but it's up to you..
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[10:38] <chatlow> just installed apache2 on the pi and for some reason I don't have the httpd.conf file in /etc/apache2... any ideas? reinstall?
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> 100% uptime is really really hard to achieve.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> chatlow, looked in /etc/httpd ?
[10:39] <chatlow> check now - always thought it was in /etc/apache2
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[10:39] <nid0> it varies
[10:39] <Draylor> lol
[10:39] <Draylor> how to spot someones distribution of choice, method #642
[10:40] <nid0> fwiw, its also apache2.conf on debian, not httpd.conf
[10:40] <chatlow> no httpd folder in /etc
[10:41] <nid0> hey hold on
[10:41] <nid0> just read up properly
[10:41] <nid0> if you're using the raspbian image and installed from the repos, it is/should be /etc/apache2
[10:42] <nid0> but its apache2.conf, not httpd.conf
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[10:42] <chatlow> i've got apache2.conf and ports.conf in /etc/apache2. but on my main linux machine i also have httpd.conf
[10:42] <nid0> apache2.conf == httpd.conf
[10:42] <chatlow> great, thanks for that
[10:43] <chatlow> bit confusing as linux has both apache2.conf and httpd.conf in /etc/apache2
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[10:44] <nid0> youll probably find that on w/e distro your main system is, apache2.conf is empty or just loads httpd.conf
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[10:45] <chatlow> nido: you're right again.. thanks for clearing that up
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> it's things like that which make me abandon debians packaging and go directly to the source...
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> at least I can go to the apache website and look where the defaults are...
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> or use my own. e.g. my apache config files are in /usr/local/apache2/conf
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[10:49] <nid0> our setup's similar, /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf
[10:49] <nid0> no 2 for legacy purposes from before apache2 :>
[10:50] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> mostly old habits, but at one point I was looking after solaris/h-pux/*bsd/ and a couple of Linuxes and the users wanted everything to look the same on all platforms, so it's sort of stuck..
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[10:53] <basti> another one: i enabled everything mentioned here: http://androinica.com/2010/07/how-to-set-up-xbmc-android-remote/. but when using the android app, it says, that it cant connect to xbmc. ip/port etc are correct. on xbmc itself a little notification pops up when i try it.
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[10:58] <bircoe> lunra... no nukes involved :P
[10:58] * lunra breathes a sigh of relief
[10:59] <bircoe> what do you think the closest free alternate to AIX would be, are FreeBSD and OpenBSD similar?
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, it really depends on what you need them for .. if running 3rd party software you may not have a choice.
[10:59] <discopig> slowaris is the closest to real unix
[10:59] <discopig> but it isnt saying much
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> if it's home-written stuff, then you may want to look at what might be the most suitable
[11:00] <discopig> so i'd stick with a *bsd
[11:00] <bircoe> nothing in particular... just wanna sink my teeth in and do some learning, see if it's what i want to work with
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> I'd work with Linux..
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> but then I already do ;-)
[11:00] <bircoe> I do :P everything in my house in Linux except my Wife's iMac and my Laptop which dual boots Fedora and Win8
[11:01] <bircoe> might boot up Solaris in a VM
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> you'll regret it - welcome to the dark ages ;-)
[11:01] <Armand> Most of what I'm subjected to is Windows..
[11:02] <bircoe> still can't get used to Oracle buying out Sun!
[11:02] <bircoe> Armand, I deal with Windows every day at work, it's a relief to get back to an OS that is actually fun and promotes hacking/tinkering!
[11:03] <Anppa> my wife uses linux as well, once upon a time i told her she can use windows if she wants, but i won't provide support for that... :D
[11:03] <Armand> Well, I'm a Support Tech (looking for work) so, it's mainstream. -_-
[11:03] <bircoe> LOL nice work Anppa
[11:03] <Armand> I only get to use Linux OSs on whatever I set up myself.
[11:04] <bircoe> Arman, I work help desk... and believe me Windows does your head in.
[11:04] <Anppa> linux @ home and @ all three jobs i have...
[11:04] <Armand> Ohh, I know.. my experience goes back to DOS5. :P
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[11:04] <bircoe> on a support front i mean :)
[11:04] <Armand> Yuh-huh..
[11:05] <Armand> I'm doing an MSCE and CCNA, so... yeah. -_-
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[11:06] <bircoe> it's perfectly ok to use as a desktop environment
[11:06] <bircoe> but supporting the same stupid problems day in day out is almostenough to make you want to bash your head on a wall!
[11:06] <Armand> Well, you don't get much choice in the mainstream.. especially office environment.
[11:07] <bircoe> I know, we were using XP and Office 2003 up until mid this year
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[11:07] <bircoe> and only upgraded because MS pulled extended support
[11:07] <Armand> Heck, my main rig still runs XP. ^_^
[11:07] <bircoe> if extended support was to go on another 5 years I could bet we'd still be running XP
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> I switched my wife to Linux some 14 months back and she's adapted OK.
[11:07] <bircoe> yeah but when we buy new laptops you sturggle to get XP drivers these days!
[11:08] <Armand> I don't intend on moving forward until I get a new graphics card.
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> However one contract she has, have provided her with a Win7 PC - and she hates it! Finds it very frutsrating to use now.
[11:08] <Armand> Even then, I'll just dual-boot.. Win7 and Debian.
[11:08] <bircoe> my wife did ok with Linux, couldn't get her head around case sensitivity... ie when searching for images in a dialog box .JPG is not the same as .jpg
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> I have one old laptop that's dual-boot - XP & Debian and one old PC running Win2K - about to be moved to an emulator though - only because I have some very old accounts on it.
[11:09] <bircoe> I think Win7 is the best of the Win's to date, Win8 has some major oversights and shortfalls that are going to be aweful to deal with on an enterprise scale!
[11:09] <Armand> Win8 won't be ready for market for a long time..
[11:09] <Armand> Vista never was. :P
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[11:10] <bircoe> no but one of the coordinators in our org that has allot of influence in the SOE is a pure MS man... wants to move all our stuff over to MS systems.
[11:10] <Armand> Kill him now.
[11:10] <bircoe> I'd love too
[11:11] <Armand> Hold up... Let me.. I've got a hatchet
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[11:11] <bircoe> he actually made a massive screwup with the structure of Active Directory lately that is making him look like a fool!
[11:11] <bircoe> it's awesome!
[11:12] <tehtrb> who does a pharaoh talk to when he's sad ?
[11:12] <tehtrb> HIS MUMMY
[11:12] <bircoe> hah
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[11:13] <bircoe> anyhoo time to go watch some tv shows
[11:13] <Armand> housework.... \o/
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> ah, back to bad jokes again ;-)
[11:16] <tehtrb> bad jokes are awesome
[11:16] <tehtrb> what's the definition of a good farmer ?
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> What goes hahahahaha (lol lol lol) .... <crash>
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> Man laughing his head off.
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> enough for today, I think.
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[11:18] <Armand> What do you call a man with no legs?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> I have chocolate brownies to make for a friends birthday tomorrow.
[11:18] <Armand> Anything you like.. he can't chase you. :P
[11:18] <Armand> gordonDrogon, apple and cinnamon cookies!
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> Armand, no, chocolate brownies.
[11:19] <Armand> :(
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> I'll try this recipie first: http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/531652/chocolate-brownies
[11:20] <Armand> Seems ok..
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> the ones from that site often are
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> right - to the coop!
[11:21] <Armand> :D
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[11:26] <aaa801> i want cookie
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[11:28] <Armand> Gimme the ingredients and I'll make some. ^_^
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[11:29] <des2> It's GordonDrogon that usually bakes.
[11:30] <Armand> I don't get much chance these days, but I love to cook.
[11:30] <Armand> I make the most awesome apple & cinnamon cookies. :D
[11:33] <Yotson> just started the machine. fresh, home baked bread in 3 hours.
[11:33] <Yotson> mind, no way back to bought bread. ;)
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[11:33] <des2> WHich machine do you have ?
[11:34] <Armand> MACHINE!! >_<
[11:34] <Yotson> brand is AFK.
[11:34] <Armand> You lazy.... .!
[11:34] <Armand> ?_?
[11:34] <Yotson> yup. lol
[11:34] <Armand> Ppfffftt..
[11:35] <Armand> Can't beat making bread yourself.
[11:35] <Yotson> i'm serious, the brand is A.F.K.
[11:35] <Yotson> and indeed, no way back.
[11:36] * Armand sighs and shakes his head...
[11:36] <des2> http://pikimal.com/bread-machine/afk-bm-2n-bread-machine
[11:36] <des2> heh. There really is an afk.
[11:37] <Yotson> :) That seems to be the one we have.
[11:37] <aaa801> i saw a energy drink called pussy and one called LOL
[11:37] <aaa801> soo tempted to rearange asdas isles
[11:37] <Armand> pussy is in the shops in the UK..
[11:37] <Armand> -_-
[11:37] <aaa801> well duh
[11:37] <Armand> Sorry.... it's just awful.
[11:38] <Armand> You know someone only did it for the lolz
[11:38] <aaa801> ye
[11:38] * aaa801 is going iseries soon
[11:39] <Armand> ?
[11:39] <nid0> sansburys mango and passion fruit energy drink is gorgeous
[11:40] <Tachyon`> the ones called pussy were detailed on ashens.com
[11:41] <aaa801> nid0: i find it hard to believe that anything that tastes good comes from sainsburys
[11:41] <nid0> funnily enough they have entire supermarkets full of things that taste good
[11:42] <aaa801> but sainsburys isnt one of them =;/
[11:43] <nid0> riiiight
[11:43] <Tachyon`> all the big ones are worth an avoid unless you like bankrupting farmers
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[11:45] <nid0> those poor poor farmers not getting an appropriate amount of pay for the discounted coke and dolmio :(
[11:46] <Dyskette> Well, just buy your meat and produce elsewhere.
[11:46] <Tachyon`> indeed
[11:47] <Dyskette> Grocer's and butcher's tend to be both cheaper and better than supermarkets in my experience.
[11:47] <Dyskette> At least round these parts.
[11:48] <aaa801> the butchers is inside my local tescos
[11:48] <aaa801> -.-'
[11:49] <[deXter]> Installing arch on my pi now, just realised there's no need to unzip the file first.. I just unzip directly to dd! :D
[11:50] <[deXter]> It's little things like this that make *nix sooo worth it. :)
[11:50] <aaa801> [deXter] : ":(){ :|: & };:" to make it go faster
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> aaa801: don't do that
[11:50] <chithead> there are channels where suggesting a forkbomb is a bannable offense
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> WARNING: do not type that ^^^
[11:50] <[deXter]> ;)
[11:50] <aaa801> meh someone in here did it to me before :)
[11:51] <aaa801> You meanie :(
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> aaa801: so let the mods know about it.
[11:51] <aaa801> MEAN
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[11:52] <[deXter]> In any case, a forkbomb doesn't affect my system. :P
[11:52] <aaa801> eha
[11:52] <aaa801> how
[11:52] <nid0> well, any properly configured system should have forkbomb protection
[11:53] <ShiftPlusOne> chithead: I am inclined to say that this is one of those channels.
[11:53] <[deXter]> ^
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[11:53] <[deXter]> I mean, what nid0 said.
[11:53] <aaa801> forks on windows are soo dam slow
[11:53] <aaa801> you could set off a fork bomb and not feel ill effects from it for 20mins+
[11:55] <Armand> Dumb question... forkbomb ?
[11:55] <nid0> basically a recursion that spawns process forks indefinitely
[11:55] <Armand> Ahhh
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Armand: not a dumb question. But yeah, what nid0 said.
[11:55] <Armand> I just about understand. :P
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[11:55] <nid0> = hundreds/thousands of duff processes spawning forever, draining all system resources and eventually crashing it
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[11:56] <Armand> Ooohhh... processes.. I knew I meant to ask something!
[11:57] <Armand> 2323 www-data 20 0 36364 2516 232 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.00 php-cgi < I get about 4/5 of these showing on 'top'.. I'm using Drupal on lighttpd. Is this normal?
[11:58] <nid0> yes
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[11:59] <Armand> Is there a way to safely restrict those, so it's using less memory?
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[12:00] <nid0> you can limit the amount of memory any PHP process can use through php.ini
[12:00] <nid0> but if you set it too low drupal will just start erroring with memory exhaustion
[12:00] <nid0> your best bet would be to enable a PHP opcode cache
[12:05] <Armand> memory_limit = 128M < php.ini
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[12:05] <nid0> well, there ya go
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[12:06] <Armand> I remember something about limiting child processes , but I'll be damned if I can remember where. -_-
[12:07] <nid0> in lighttpd.conf
[12:07] <nid0> you can set the limit on fcgi children and max requestsd
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[12:09] <Weaselweb> Armand: ulimit maybe?
[12:10] <Armand> Yeah... I have a lot of reading to do.
[12:10] <jelly1> or use something lighter then drupal
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[12:12] * Armand sighs..
[12:13] <mongrol> I have a VPS server with 256MB ram
[12:13] <Armand> If I wanted to use something other than drupal, I would have..
[12:14] <mongrol> it runs mysql, drupal, wordpress + 3 other php sites in about 160MB
[12:14] <mongrol> my webserver is nginx
[12:14] <Armand> total used free shared buffers cached
[12:14] <Armand> Mem: 497764 267892 229872 0 20496 177672
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[12:27] <[deXter]> lol, found this quote on the forums: "I now own 2 RPi - does that mean I own a circumference?"
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> I've run the forkbomb onna pi..
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> top - 11:30:20 up 3 days, 15:21, 4 users, load average: 118.94, 25.44, 8.43
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> now it's run out of ram.
[12:31] <des2> 118.94!
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> top - 11:31:10 up 3 days, 15:22, 4 users, load average: 651.08, 184.56, 63.43
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> Tasks: 1244 total, 476 running, 685 sleeping, 0 stopped, 83 zombie
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> %Cpu(s): 2.7 us, 70.4 sy, 0.0 ni, 0.0 id, 20.5 wa, 5.1 hi, 1.3 si, 0.0 st
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> KiB Mem: 237868 total, 228876 used, 8992 free, 48 buffers
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> KiB Swap: 65532 total, 65532 used, 0 free, 2840 cached
[12:31] <tzarc> you dun broked
[12:31] <Armand> Well done!
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> more or less. took it about 30 seconds
[12:32] <tzarc> forkbomb?
[12:32] <Armand> A bomb... with forks in
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> Bomb Voyage ..
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> might have to power cycle it...
[12:35] <bagpuss_thecat> so, the PWM controllable lights, 1-wire temperature monitoring, and PIR sensor on the Pi in the kitchen had such a high WAF she just asked me when I get the next one to do similar stuff in the converted loft
[12:35] <bagpuss_thecat> \o/
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[12:38] <des2> Is your high-waf project on the web bagpus ?
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> WAF? Wife Approval Factor?
[12:39] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_acceptance_factor
[12:39] <[deXter]> heh
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:40] <Armand> Sometimes one can be glad for a 3400 mile seperation. :P
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[12:40] <bagpuss_thecat> des2: bits of it is. mainly the MQTT stuff
[12:41] <bagpuss_thecat> https://github.com/kylegordon/
[12:41] <des2> Thanks
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> oh well, power cycle and it's fine. not done a fork bomb for a long time. what fun. and now to the kitchenarium.
[12:41] <Armand> gordonDrogon, did you make my damned cookies yet?? ?_?
[12:41] <bagpuss_thecat> going to use http://www.circuits.io/ to draw out the simple circuit involved at the weekend, and publish something on http://lodge.glasgownet.com
[12:42] <des2> cool
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> bagpuss_thecat, Ah! From the dolphin sanctuary :-)
[12:42] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: where have you been
[12:42] <bagpuss_thecat> all praise the dolphin
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> I've used Fritzing for some stuff, but the schematic capture is sometimes challenging.
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[12:42] <bagpuss_thecat> I've found that too
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, I've been to the shops to get some stuff to make chocolate brownies which I'm about to do now.
[12:43] <aaa801> DOET
[12:43] <aaa801> BROWNIES!!11
[12:43] <bagpuss_thecat> omnomnomn
[12:43] * bagpuss_thecat will be making ice cream and pancakes tonight
[12:43] <bagpuss_thecat> rock and roll Friday night
[12:43] <aaa801> anyone got the display config for the 3.5" screens?
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I think you'll find it's Yum yum yum ... None of this 'nom' stuff here...
[12:44] <bagpuss_thecat> om nom nom is the IRC standard dontchaknow?
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I know what I know.
[12:44] <aaa801> nom
[12:44] <bagpuss_thecat> om
[12:44] <aaa801> nom
[12:44] <bagpuss_thecat> nom
[12:44] <aaa801> om
[12:44] <bagpuss_thecat> nom
[12:44] <aaa801> eww rasins!
[12:44] <bagpuss_thecat> lol
[12:45] <aaa801> i have my pi and my screen running off a li-po now
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSVD3nzsIyA At about 00:26 onwards ... (but listen to the lot)
[12:45] <aaa801> :3
[12:45] <Armand> gordonDrogon, Yum is on Fedora, you n00b. :P
[12:46] <des2> what screen are you using ?
[12:46] <aaa801> that cheap 3.5" reversing screen
[12:46] <bagpuss_thecat> gordonDrogon: oh fair enough :-) yumyumyum permitted :-)
[12:46] <bagpuss_thecat> too many smileys error
[12:46] <des2> reversing screen ?
[12:46] <aaa801> des2: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0056WJP1M
[12:46] <aaa801> runs on 12v
[12:46] * bagpuss_thecat goes back to poking at LTO5 firmwares and generally getting irritated
[12:46] <aaa801> lipo is 12v, got a 5v ubec for the pi
[12:46] <aaa801> all seems good
[12:47] <des2> tx.
[12:47] <aaa801> ?
[12:47] <des2> thanks.
[12:48] <des2> Power Consumption:0.53W
[12:48] <des2> That's pretty good.
[12:49] <aaa801> #ye
[12:49] <aaa801> ive gota get a project box for all my things
[12:49] <aaa801> the mess of cables is growing :(
[12:49] <aaa801> ok time to write up something to hackily use the wii remote as a keyboard
[12:49] <aaa801> step 1, find the freking wiimote
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[12:53] <bagpuss_thecat> aaa801: the wife donated an ice cream box for my project. Worked well :-)
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[12:53] <aaa801> lol
[12:53] <aaa801> i dont have ice cream :(
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[12:55] <[deXter]> wow, gpu_mem makes such a huge difference it's crazy!
[12:55] <[deXter]> When I first booted this up:
[12:55] <[deXter]> Mem: 183M 163M 20M 0B 20M 115M
[12:55] <[deXter]> after setting it to 64
[12:55] <[deXter]> Mem: 436M 31M 404M 0B 4.7M 16M
[12:57] <aaa801> aww you got one of the new pi's
[12:57] * aaa801 stares at his 256mb board
[12:59] <[deXter]> I'm actually a bit disappointed that the 512MB came out so soon
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[12:59] <Jck_true> OMFG! The rasp forum seems to be all minecraft:|
[12:59] <[deXter]> the 256MB would have forced devs to optimize their applications and distros to switch over to more efficient DEs..
[13:00] <Jck_true> [deXter]: Only way to fix bad software - add more hardware!
[13:00] <[deXter]> Remember how it was back in the days of the C64, Atari and only 640kb of conventional memory?
[13:01] <Jck_true> NO! You can't run minecraft on your raspberry Doesn't matter if you overclock to 1GHZ or get the new one with 512mb ram!
[13:01] <mongrol> 64KB had the C64
[13:01] * Jck_true bangs head against his desk
[13:02] <Jck_true> [deXter]: Well... Win3.11 did manage to run a full window manager with multitasking and a browser?
[13:02] <Jck_true> and it fitted on what... 11 x 1.44 floppies?
[13:02] <des2> Has microsoft released windows 8 for the Pi yet ?
[13:02] <[deXter]> Jck_true, exactly my point - I had a win 3.11 machine and it worked beautifully on just 4MB RAM
[13:03] <Jck_true> Hmm on a side note through
[13:03] <[deXter]> If we allow the RPi's hardware capabilities to grow exponentially, eventually CRAP like Unity will find it's way there..
[13:04] <mongrol> I agree
[13:04] <mongrol> ITs contraints is what makes it great
[13:04] <Jck_true> yeah - I was so proud when i got a whole LAMP stack configured - And then it dawned on me that this wasn't the point
[13:05] <Jck_true> But oh well - We can't really complain when they keep backwards compatability and the price tag
[13:05] <[deXter]> well as a user, of course not
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[13:08] <Armand> Sodding Minecraft.. I really cannot see the appeal. ?_?
[13:09] <Jck_true> Make a cheap I2C relay daughter board for the raspberry... Write a simple PLC daemon... Run a webserver where the thing can be managed from...
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[13:09] <Jck_true> Been thinking about it the last few days- even with expensive 230v relays you could keep the whole thing under 200USD retail
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[13:10] <Jck_true> Then it's just a matter of writing a webinterface where the thing can be managed
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[13:21] <[deXter]> http://www.instructables.com/id/Coffee-Table-Pi/
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[13:26] <aaa801> online resize takes forever..
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> brownies cooking..
[13:39] <Armand> Where's my damned cookies ?? ?_?
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> *sigh* Customer just called - my web server is going slow. Yes, I say, it is - that's because you have a website that's actually busy today - for a change and that grossily innefficient PHP code your web 'developer' wrote 3 years ago is now coming bac kto bite you like I said it would ...
[13:40] <Armand> trollolololol
[13:41] <nid0> he on a dedicated machine?
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> yes
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> nothing too special, but it's 4GB+dual core pentium.
[13:41] <nid0> thats gotta be some bad code
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> but he's stingy and has overloaded it - it's got about 30 sites on it.
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[13:42] <Cadmi> Hello
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> they have this ecommerce system they wrote in-house - it's actually very good - just grossly innefficient.
[13:42] <nid0> well, whether thats an issue depends how shitty and busy they are :P
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[13:42] <gordonDrogon> it's just not scalable.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> I'll turn off binary logging on the mysql server - they don't really need it. that'll help a little.
[13:43] <Cadmi> ?? dsi quality vs analog ?
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[13:44] <nid0> we see ranges right across the spectrum on our vps's, some customers on fairly minimal low spec vps's succesfully running major (dynamic) websites that receive (litterally) tens of millions of page views a month and chug along no problem, to massive high spec systems that struggle like hell serving a few tens of thousands a month with Magento installs or WordPress + millions of crummy
[13:44] <nid0> plugins
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> ugh. megento..
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> a customer asked me to look into that for them a while back, I had a quick look then politely declined.
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> ah, alarms gone - time to check the oven..
[13:45] <Weaselweb> what's the problem with magento?
[13:45] <nid0> I think it falls into a similar category as your customer's in-house script - its a fairly decent ecommerce system in terms of actual usability, but its grossly resource inefficient
[13:47] * gordonDrogon nods.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> I think some of them just try to do too much.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> or the customer gets some automated plugin that then adds in 10,000 new items a day...
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[13:50] <jelly1> or the query's suck
[13:53] <nid0> came across a very thoughtful forum install the other day that for some obscure reason logs the ip of every single resource request (not even just page request, every resource of every page) to a db table, and never prunes it
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[13:54] <nid0> table had 27 million rows in it when I noticed it, from what seems to be a little under a year
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> eek!
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[13:58] <bagpuss_thecat> nid0: wp_flickr did similar for a while. I only found out when I spotted the 500+Meg table in MySQL
[13:58] <bagpuss_thecat> suffice to say, my 512Mb RAM VPS wasn't happy with it
[13:59] <nid0> heh
[14:00] <Datalink> ugh, I have to audit my Wordpress install some time... but I really don't want to, and I haven't posted to that blog in... over a year x.x
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[14:02] <codemagician> has anyone had any luck getting the GNU ARM bin tools to work on either Mac or Linux
[14:02] <codemagician> *binutils toolchain
[14:02] <codemagician> I want to be able to write ARM Assembler on my Macbook with i7 core processor and have it cross compile
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[14:04] <codemagician> none of the binaries for mac or linux worked for me. http://gnuarm.com/
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[14:04] <codemagician> also none of the packages would compile on either platform
[14:04] <[deXter]> codemagician, works fine for me on arch
[14:05] <[deXter]> I just had to install arm-elf-binutils ^_^
[14:05] <[deXter]> and of course, related packages.. but they're all in the repos
[14:05] <codemagician> DexterLB: do you mean sudo apt-get install ...
[14:06] <[deXter]> no
[14:06] <Datalink> now we just need to port the mach kernel to the pi's hardware
[14:06] <des2> Assembler doesn't compile it assembles.
[14:06] <codemagician> des2: semantis
[14:06] <codemagician> semantics
[14:06] <[deXter]> codemagician, That was on Arch Linux.. you'll have to search your distro for whatever is the appropriate package
[14:06] <codemagician> lol
[14:07] <codemagician> i want to be able to assemble ARM v4 instructions to both object files and raw ARM machine code binaries
[14:09] <Datalink> blar school soon...
[14:10] <Cadmi> can mini lcds support hits (as rain hail hits for example? )
[14:11] <Cadmi> i want to install one in my motorbike
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[14:11] <des2> Not unless encased.
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[14:12] <Cadmi> des2 i want it to be touch
[14:12] <Cadmi> :/
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[14:13] <des2> Get a tybe of silicone and make your own
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[14:13] <des2> Then send it to hack a day and become famous.
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[14:14] <codemagician> Anyone know how to get an ARM Assembler working using either Ubuntu or Mac OS X 10.7 Lion
[14:14] <dirty_d> codemagician, install an assembler
[14:15] <des2> What happened under Ubuntu ?
[14:15] <codemagician> I need to know if there are premade binaries that work?
[14:15] <codemagician> gnuarm.com didn't work
[14:16] <codemagician> I need a version of the cross compiler toolchain for ubuntu or mac
[14:16] <dirty_d> codemagician, gnu as?
[14:16] <codemagician> dirty_d: gnu as is part of the binutils, but that won't compile on either of my platforms
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[14:17] <dirty_d> codemagician, are you trying to compile on the rpi or on a pc?
[14:17] <Cadmi> des2 silicone ???
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[14:17] <codemagician> dirty_d: cross compiler
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[14:18] <dirty_d> codemagician, use crosstools-ng to compile the cross compiler
[14:18] <des2> silicone sealent that is often used to make things waterproof.
[14:18] <dirty_d> but id imagine ubuntu already has an arm cross compiler
[14:19] <dirty_d> codemagician, apt-cache search arm-gcc
[14:19] <dirty_d> or gcc-arm
[14:19] <dirty_d> does that show anything?
[14:19] <codemagician> I'm not going to create my own cross-compiler
[14:19] <des2> http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/a-good-compromise-cross-compiling-with-distcc/
[14:20] <Weaselweb> codemagician: there are prebuilt cross-compilers (e.g. for arm) that run on linux, e.g. codesourcery, they have now a different name, don't remember which
[14:20] <codemagician> sudo apt-get install binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi I'm trying this
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[14:21] <codemagician> think that might be it guys
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[14:21] <dirty_d> codemagician, should be
[14:22] <codemagician> seems to be working
[14:24] <codemagician> anyone know how to turn the .o object file into a single executable
[14:24] <codemagician> ?
[14:24] <des2> Yes use the linker.
[14:25] <codemagician> So far I got this http://pastebin.com/cDcbQF3T
[14:25] <des2> BTW, here's complete cross compiling instructions: http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/a-good-compromise-cross-compiling-with-distcc/
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[14:27] <codemagician> des2: that's for something else
[14:27] <codemagician> des2: do you know how to make a ROM image using the linker?
[14:27] <codemagician> des2: and also just an executable file that will run on the pi
[14:29] <Cadmi> des2 ok thanks
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[14:29] <des2> I would recommend you get distcc working.
[14:29] <Weaselweb> codemagician: i doubt you can run a simple binary on the rpi. but you can give http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ a try
[14:30] <des2> By 'rom image' do you mean replacement for the OS /
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[14:32] <arcanescu> having the speed at 1000MHz - overclocked sometimes causes the board to become non responsive any reason for that?
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[14:32] <des2> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/downloads.html#template
[14:32] <codemagician> Weaselweb: that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Great :)
[14:32] <des2> You might find that linkuseful.
[14:32] * bagpuss_thecat hugs distcc
[14:33] * jelly1 is trying to use crosstool
[14:33] <des2> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/31/84-mb-minimal-raspbian-armhf-image-for-raspberry-pi
[14:34] <des2> That's also useful for those desiring a minimal linux
[14:34] <jelly1> but still copiling..
[14:34] <jelly1> *compiling
[14:34] <codemagician> Weaselweb: did you write this?
[14:35] <arcanescu> do i need some heatsink on or something?
[14:35] <Weaselweb> codemagician: no, it's a course on that university they are offering
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[14:36] <des2> Yes all PIs may not be above to do 1000MHz
[14:36] <des2> able rather
[14:36] <tzarc> heh, 84MB raspbian, I think I got mine down to ~25
[14:36] <des2> You can monitor your PI's temp to see if you need a heatsink
[14:36] <tzarc> minbase debootstrap with post-clean
[14:36] <des2> There's automatic throttling.
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[14:37] <arcanescu> des2: "alli pis" you mean some are and some arent its down to the silicon?
[14:37] <des2> tzarc cool
[14:37] <des2> If yould be nice if you wrote up short instructions
[14:37] * jelly1 uses automatic trottling with 1000Mhz
[14:37] <des2> Yes arcanescu at semiconductor manufacturers they select the speed a CPU can do by testing
[14:38] <arcanescu> i did have automatic throttling id remoevd that and set the governor to performance
[14:38] <arcanescu> so its always at 1000Mhz
[14:38] <des2> Do you know how to monitor your PI's cpu temp ?
[14:38] <arcanescu> yes i read about the tools
[14:39] <arcanescu> i can use to do that...
[14:39] <tzarc> lemme rerun debootstrap and find out the size
[14:39] <des2> Overclocking will to some extent depend on the quality of your power supply.
[14:39] <tzarc> last time I did it was ~aug
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[14:40] <arcanescu> i have a goo clean powersupply... soldered wires onto the pi
[14:40] <arcanescu> to power it throught he power supply
[14:40] <des2> you can increase the ability of your PI to overclock by overvolting the cpu
[14:40] <des2> but too much voids the warranty.
[14:41] <arcanescu> des2: i just used the raspi config
[14:42] <des2> no over_voltage ?
[14:42] <arcanescu> des2: it does do overvolr
[14:42] <arcanescu> 6 for 1000MHz i presume
[14:43] <des2> ok 6 is the ok for warrant max
[14:43] <des2> warranty
[14:43] <arcanescu> des2: good utility for temperature monitoring?
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[14:44] <DeliriumTremens> a thermometer
[14:44] <arcanescu> im running a program thats processor intensive maybe i can & it with the temperature to see how it increases/dec overtime
[14:45] <codemagician> How does the ARM1176 start execution, does it begin at address 0x00000000
[14:45] <codemagician> If so, how is the memory mapped?
[14:45] <codemagician> Is there a ROM that bootstraps the OS?
[14:46] <des2> The GPU boots the PI off the SD card
[14:46] <codemagician> I assume the memory address space mapping is fixed by hardware- is there any documenation?
[14:47] <codemagician> is there a built in bootstrapped?
[14:47] <Weaselweb> ask broadcom and I guess you will get nothing
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[14:48] <codemagician> Weaselweb: but what about the PI team, they must have written a ROM image?
[14:48] <codemagician> or does the SD cards flash memory map to the address space?
[14:48] <des2> There's secret gpu code that gets bootloader info from the sd card
[14:48] <Weaselweb> iirc some have a NDA
[14:49] <Weaselweb> SD cards are non-linear memories, so you can't map them directly
[14:49] <des2> You'll know it has been crasked the first time someone boots without an sd card.
[14:49] <codemagician> so is there a controller between the chip and the SD card?
[14:50] <codemagician> but who wrote the bootstrap loader machine code?
[14:50] <tzarc> 23M min-install.tar.xz
[14:50] <tzarc> winnar
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[14:50] <tzarc> that said, it's not a filesystem that can be copied over, it's a tarball containing the files
[14:51] <ShiftPlusOne> codemagician: I would imagine that would be the broadcom guys.
[14:51] <tzarc> still, format a card/usb and rsync it across
[14:51] <tzarc> suppose I could set up a loopback and format that *shrug*
[14:51] <codemagician> so does anyone know what happens when it boots?
[14:51] <Weaselweb> codemagician: there is a SD card controller in the SoC (next to the ARM) which can talk to SD cards and the bootstrap loader is in the GPU ROM
[14:52] <Weaselweb> broadcom does
[14:52] <codemagician> what is the GPU versus to Soc?
[14:52] <codemagician> same chip?
[14:52] <ShiftPlusOne> codemagician: vaguely... the GPU starts up, gets the sdcard working, loads the firmware files then runs the kernel.
[14:52] <codemagician> loads them to where?
[14:52] <des2> The GPU is the controller
[14:53] <codemagician> G standing for?
[14:53] <des2> The firmware for booting is in the GPU's rom
[14:53] <mikey_w> The SOC is a GPU with an ARM processor attached as a slave.
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[14:53] <codemagician> General?
[14:53] <des2> Graphics Processing Unit
[14:53] <arcanescu> the documentation mentions to use a temperaturewidget im not usin the gui rather a console.... how to print it on ont he console?
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[14:53] <Weaselweb> arcanescu: sensors?
[14:53] <codemagician> But the GPU deal with graphics, so why not CPU (as in ARM itself) ?
[14:54] <des2> because the GPU is more powerful.
[14:54] <des2> They are integrated together.
[14:54] <codemagician> is the GPU made to do fetch and write
[14:55] <codemagician> ok, so the lepricon inside broadcoms secret lamp loads the kernel from the SD card from the kernel.img file to where?
[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> codemagician: if you don't mind me asking, why do you need to know this... what are you doing?
[14:55] <des2> About the Raspberry Pi???s boot process: On power-up, the VideoCore GPU, not the ARM CPU, is in control, and the SD card slot is the only peripheral device with power. The firmware burned into the GPU???s PROM requires a DOS-style partition table; a FAT-formatted first partition; and the files ???bootcode.bin???, ???loader.bin???, and ???start.elf??? in that partition. (see note 1) The GPU loads the ???start.elf??? file, eventua
[14:55] <des2> The boot sequence carries out several pre-boot tasks:
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[14:55] <ShiftPlusOne> to memory, where else?
[14:55] <des2> configures the memory split for the CPU and GPU
[14:55] <des2> reads and parses ???config.txt??? from the same partition on the SD card and applies the settings (like a PC???s BIOS settings)
[14:55] <des2> loads the ???kernel.img??? file, again from the same partition
[14:55] <des2> activates the CPU to begin executing the loaded kernel image
[14:56] <des2> http://mindplusplus.wordpress.com/
[14:56] <codemagician> ShiftPlusOne: yes, but how it the memory organised
[14:56] <arcanescu> Weaselweb: no jsut the core temperature
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[14:57] <Weaselweb> arcanescu: does sensors show your core temperature? then you can find it somewhere in /sys/class/hwmon/...
[14:57] <ShiftPlusOne> codemagician: I suppose you could do a memory dump and analyze it.
[14:57] <codemagician> ShiftPlusOne: I'm just trying to establish what gets copied into memory and where so I can write an OS
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[14:57] <arcanescu> Weaselweb: let me check
[14:58] <codemagician> ShiftPlusOne: some parts of the total memory address space must be reserved and premapped
[14:58] <Weaselweb> imo, the rpi is a bad choice for writing an own OS, you don't have the needed documentation about the hardware
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[14:58] <des2> arcanescu /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[14:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Weaselweb: I'd argue that investigating that for yourself make it more interesting
[14:58] <mumbles> so what do with my raspberry pi
[14:58] <ShiftPlusOne> *makes
[14:59] <mumbles> now i have a new one
[14:59] <arcanescu> ok 28.8C
[14:59] <arcanescu> thanks des2
[14:59] <Weaselweb> ShiftPlusOne: you mean challenging :)
[15:00] <codemagician> In that OS tutorial the guy knew the GPIO controller was at address 0x20200000
[15:00] <codemagician> where did he get this info
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> but I would start with pc or qemu... chances are you will get through 5 lines of code and realise it's more difficult than you thought.
[15:00] <Weaselweb> codemagician: maybe the linux kernel driver
[15:00] <ShiftPlusOne> codemagician: yes, the linux kernel drivers
[15:01] <codemagician> So a course to write an OS is done by reverse engineering the existing kernel?
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I did a bit of LED blinking ages ago. All the info was in the source files.
[15:01] <codemagician> sure there is no basic memory address map?
[15:01] <ShiftPlusOne> There's also some gpio documentation
[15:01] <codemagician> even the BBC micro had one of these
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[15:02] <dreamreal> codemagician: there is, it's part of the BMC2835 docs
[15:02] <ShiftPlusOne> codemagician: I think this device isn't good for what you want to do with it.
[15:02] <Weaselweb> i doubt that course is about writing a (complete) OS. it seems it is just doing some assembler and doing something on the lcd
[15:02] <dreamreal> it's just not trivial
[15:03] <codemagician> So there is no official documentation about the memory map?
[15:03] <Weaselweb> well, you can write some bare metal software for the pi, but you have to dig the necessary information by reverse engineering or studying the linux source code
[15:03] <dreamreal> there is, yes, the BMC2835 docs
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> codemagician, it starts at zero and goes up from there.
[15:04] <codemagician> lol
[15:04] <dreamreal> the broadcom docs are great fun, too
[15:05] <codemagician> is the memory controller all hidden onboard the SoC too?
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> we have no effective docs dreamreal
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> they are all closed, other than a trivial amount
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> for example, my Ti phone CPU has a 2500 page data sheet
[15:08] <codemagician> do any of the linux distos have any references to memory points?
[15:10] <des2> I rememver when manufacturers would send you entire data-sheet books for free.
[15:11] <des2> But mosty anything GPU related is secret now.
[15:11] <codemagician> but memory mapping isn't a big deal
[15:11] <codemagician> *address mapping
[15:12] <codemagician> The raspberry pi team know the address mapping else they would never have been able to put it together
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> codemagician, there are lots of articles, etc. online about how it all works. the MMU is fairly standard for ARM from what I gather. The hardware memory mapped IO is mostly in the Broadcom ARM Peripherals manual.
[15:12] <codemagician> which makes me wonder if they withhold it to prevent people writing custom games on it
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> what you won't get is the internal gpu widgetry.
[15:13] <des2> The peripherals data sheet is public
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> codemagician, I think that if you can write/port quake 3 to it, then they are not exactly witholding anything stopping you from writing games on it.
[15:13] <peejay> codemagician: the raspberry pi team also works at broadcom
[15:14] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[15:14] <codemagician> just seems strange there is no address space map to see on a single diagram
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> peejay: the brush is a bit too broad there.
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> codemagician, and there are plenty of "bare metal" turotials, etc. online too. just google them.
[15:14] <des2> Shows you address maps
[15:14] <des2> So look there codemagician
[15:14] <codemagician> des2: :)
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> the riscos and *bsd teams have posted their things to it with nothing more than what's publicly avalable.
[15:15] <ShiftPlusOne> peejay: You don't work at rmit by any chance, do you?
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[15:16] <yggdrasil> good day sirs.
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> hello norse god of the unpronouncable.
[15:16] <peejay> ShiftPlusOne: i do not
[15:16] <yggdrasil> hehe
[15:16] <peejay> sorry for the broad brush stroke ;)
[15:16] <yggdrasil> whats the latest with our pi ?
[15:16] <yggdrasil> havnt been keeping up.
[15:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yggdrasil isn't a god, it's a tree of life sort of thing if I recall correctly
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> rev 2 board - 512MB of ram - and that's about that.
[15:17] <ShiftPlusOne> well, there are the extra codecs as well
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> for sale :)
[15:17] <des2> actually the release of a lot of the interface code was big news
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> pi rainbow case dudes making an arcade game - first uk project of kickstarter...
[15:18] <yggdrasil> yes its a tree.
[15:18] <yggdrasil> hmm..
[15:18] <yggdrasil> codecs ? for video playback ?
[15:19] <peejay> yeah: http://www.raspberrypi.com/license-keys/
[15:20] <yggdrasil> hmm. thats pretty lame.
[15:20] <ReggieUK> hardly
[15:20] <nid0> whats lame about it?
[15:20] <yggdrasil> the cost
[15:20] <ShiftPlusOne> that would be the last word I would use O_o
[15:20] <yggdrasil> why isnt it gpl ?
[15:20] <nid0> you'd rather pay the cost when you bought the pi?
[15:20] <peejay> it keeps the cost of the boards down
[15:20] <yggdrasil> hmm..
[15:20] <ReggieUK> right, cos you've never paid for a codec license before yggdrasil?
[15:21] <yggdrasil> ill have to research this.
[15:21] <yggdrasil> wait brb gotta go take fcare of something.
[15:21] <ReggieUK> you should
[15:21] <ReggieUK> I like that statement '[14:20] <yggdrasil> why isnt it gpl ?'
[15:21] <peejay> yggdrasil: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839
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[15:22] <ReggieUK> just to be clear, you don't have to pay for the hardware codec to decode video on the pi :D
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> you do
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> but you already have
[15:23] <ReggieUK> well, unless you want it a reasonable resolution and at the framerate of the source video
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[15:23] <ReggieUK> my point was that there are software based codecs all over linux but they're next to useless on the pi
[15:24] <ReggieUK> and of course the h264 license on the pi is bought and paid for when you purchase your pi
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[15:27] <Amorsen> Besides, you get that warm fuzzy feeling of contributing to software patents
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[15:28] <Amorsen> Priceless really
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[15:29] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221 <== yggdrasil
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[15:37] <mumbles> has anyone got a good hdmi to d-sub conversion cable ?
[15:38] <des2> Someone posted one for about $20 the other day.
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[15:39] <des2> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14407
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[15:39] <des2> mcm offers that one for $25.
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[15:44] <des2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ZK-000J-00083
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> they're coming down in price now.
[15:46] <Blu3Knight> Anyone running on raspbian and upgraded their Boot system ??? I am having errors with new kernel what was running fine before.
[15:46] <Blu3Knight> Sorry I mean anyone running on anything but Raspbian
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[15:48] <odin_> ok where is the raspbian system for package managing ? I have used OBS (OpenSuSE build Service) and Launchpad (ubuntu), not Koji (RHEL, too much red tape to be PM)
[15:49] <yggdrasil> apt ?
[15:50] <yggdrasil> odin_: what are you trying to do ?
[15:50] <odin_> no like OBS/launchpad, an auto builder that will robotically check git SCM and rebuild package and publish to a repo that "the public" can use and download from
[15:50] <des2> raspbian = debian = apt-get
[15:51] <odin_> it does not need to be mainline, just accessible, but mainline is ok too, providing the distro (debian) doesn't make the "Package Manager role" a full time job
[15:51] <yggdrasil> i think you may want um.
[15:51] <yggdrasil> let me think .. whats it called
[15:51] <ReggieUK> yum?
[15:51] <yggdrasil> no hes looking for a git thing.
[15:51] <ReggieUK> don't think that's a deb thing
[15:51] <yggdrasil> to check in sources.
[15:51] <ReggieUK> tig
[15:51] <yggdrasil> check in and out sources.
[15:52] <ReggieUK> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Tig
[15:52] <odin_> look here for Ubuntu I do: https://launchpad.net/~qtjambi-community/+archive/libqtjambi-snapshots (feast on that good stuff)
[15:52] <yggdrasil> yea that looks right.
[15:53] <odin_> well now I ported it to RPi, the instructions for a ubntu user to download is right in the launchpad link, so I want the same thing for Raspbian/debian
[15:53] <yggdrasil> k im confused.
[15:53] <Blu3Knight> Anyone successful booting the Pi from external drive (USB drive) using the new Kernel?
[15:53] <odin_> Unbutu user does: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:qtjambi-community/libqtjambi-snapshots ... etc... and gets my package
[15:53] <yggdrasil> thats just adding the repo
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[15:53] <odin_> yes indeed adding repos and downloading and installing
[15:53] <ReggieUK> no that's not how it happens odin_
[15:53] <yggdrasil> you can also just edit the apt sources list.
[15:53] <yggdrasil> cat /etc/apt/sources.lst
[15:53] <ReggieUK> adding the repo allows the user to select it via APT-GET
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[15:54] <odin_> I am not asking how to add a repo with apt
[15:54] <ReggieUK> sudo apt-get install --install-suggests libqtjambi-snapshot \
[15:54] <ReggieUK> qtjambi-examples-snapshot qtjambi-designer-snapshot ant-qtjambi-snapshot
[15:54] <ReggieUK> that will get it on debian too
[15:54] <bbond007> the cheapo ebay hdmi->vga converter works great. picture looks fantastic
[15:54] <yggdrasil> bbond007: how much was it ?
[15:54] <odin_> I am asking for the system Raspbian uses that is like Launchpad or like OpenSuSE Build Service or like KOJI
[15:55] <bbond007> $15 with shipping, which is pretty good because it is an active converter... looks like an apple product :)
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[15:55] <odin_> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji RHEL/Fedora's autobuild system, https://build.opensuse.org/ OpenSuSE autobuild system, the link above is launchpad which is ubuntu
[15:55] <odin_> so what is RPi's autobuild system ?
[15:56] <bbond007> looks like the same one mcm sells for $25
[15:56] <Blu3Knight> So anyone using external boot drive with the Pi??
[15:56] <nid0> <
[15:57] <Blu3Knight> nid0: including the new kernel?
[15:57] <nid0> not yet
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[15:57] <nid0> my pi's currently boot over iscsi so need custom compiled kernels
[15:57] <yggdrasil> wow thats cool.
[15:58] <Blu3Knight> Ok???. I just ran in to a problem upgrading the kernel ??? for some reason USB not recognized, I can only assume that the USB is now a module in the pre-built one.
[15:58] <Blu3Knight> Wanted to confirm if someone had the problem or not :)
[15:58] <odin_> http://www.debian.org/ports/ and http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ how do get package into autobuilders? and where is raspbian port ?
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[15:59] <ReggieUK> odin_, ask on #raspbian
[15:59] <ReggieUK> as they would know if anyone would
[15:59] <odin_> ok thanks
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[16:12] <Wolfram74> I'm trying to resize the partitions on my SD card so it uses the whole card and not just leave me with 50 megabytes of space, but I apparently don't have "parted"
[16:12] <des2> gparted ?
[16:12] <Wolfram74> command not found
[16:12] <Blu3Knight> Wolfram74: what is your partition type
[16:12] <ShiftPlusOne> apt-get install parted ?
[16:12] <Wolfram74> I'm on a mac so all i have is this cockamamey disk-utility application
[16:13] <ShiftPlusOne> oh... I am sorry.
[16:13] <Wolfram74> yes, so am i
[16:13] <Wolfram74> I'm trying to switch over to linux
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[16:15] <Wolfram74> the information i can glean is that the "partition map scheme" is "master boot record"
[16:15] <Blu3Knight> Wolfram ??? so what are you trying to do with partition
[16:16] <Wolfram74> with 58.7 megs I think being the disk image i installed, of wheezy raspian, 1.88 gigs partitioned and empty and 5.88 unclaimed
[16:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Blu3Knight: he wants to resize the disk image to fill the whole sdcard.
[16:16] <Blu3Knight> If you are talking about the SD card for the PI once you boot the system there are tools to do that.
[16:16] <Wolfram74> yeah
[16:16] <peejay> Blu3Knight: can you resize a partition that is mounted?
[16:16] <nid0> as above, why not just resize on the pi?
[16:16] <Blu3Knight> if you are using Raspbian it pops up a menu, and there are tools for other linux partition types that can be used
[16:17] <nid0> peejay: ofc
[16:17] <peejay> i did not know that
[16:17] <peejay> cool :)
[16:17] <nid0> well
[16:17] <Wolfram74> it's listed as an option in the wiki
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[16:17] <nid0> technically its not resizing the partition, its just deleting it and making a new, bigger one
[16:17] <nid0> then resizing the fs to fill the partition
[16:17] <Blu3Knight> Expanding allowed ???shrinking is not
[16:17] <Blu3Knight> sudo resize2fs /dev/sda1
[16:17] <Wolfram74> I was just hoping i could do something useful on my laptop when my Rpi is not available for tinkering, but the SD card is
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[16:17] <peejay> ah, ok
[16:18] <peejay> Wolfram74: there is always the gparted livecd, too: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[16:18] <peejay> which i think i linked last night from that sparkfun page
[16:18] <peejay> https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/372#resizeMe
[16:19] <yggdrasil> my pi has been turned off for about 3 months ;)
[16:19] <yggdrasil> im running update on it ... slow.
[16:19] <yggdrasil> not sure what im gonna do with it.
[16:20] <Wolfram74> yeah, the instructions stipulated logging onto my pi, so i ended up going on a bit of a snipe hunt trying to figure out how to emulate an Rpi on my laptop with SD card as reference
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[16:23] <XedMada> anyone aware of any generative visuals frameworks successfully running on Pi?
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[16:26] * ShiftPlusOne has no idea what a generative visuals framework even is >.>
[16:27] <Wolfram74> Well, i'm going to scamper off now
[16:27] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[16:27] <peejay> like processing and openFrameworks?
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[16:28] <peejay> i know openFrameworks is being worked on, but not sure the state to processing
[16:28] <peejay> the state of*
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[16:28] <XedMada> peejay: along those lines, but there are more interesting niche ones out there on linux. I know processing wont work any time soon.
[16:28] <peejay> no, not it won't :)
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[16:29] <peejay> i'm not familiar with other ones, to be honest
[16:30] <XedMada> peejay: http://flam3.com/ is a nice example
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> MagPi is out!
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[16:33] <peejay> XedMada: whoa. never knew of that before
[16:33] <peejay> very nice
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[16:35] <yggdrasil> gordonDrogon: whats magpi ?
[16:35] <XedMada> peejay: im sure Electric Sheep is too much for Pi to handle, but id hoped to find something lighter to make pretty graphics.
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[16:37] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: woot!
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> http://www.themagpi.com/
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> see page 10...
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> and then hop on over to: http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/raspberry-ladder-kit.html ;-)
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> just finishing off the video this afternoon, so will upload it to youtube later on.
[16:40] <XedMada> looks like Pi3D is the answer to my visuals needs
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[16:41] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: do you know if themagpi has persistent subscriptions available?
[16:42] <peejay> XedMada: nice! i'll check it out later today
[16:42] <yggdrasil> cool man some light reading !
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[16:46] <gordonDrogon> dreamreal, I've no idea - I suspect it's just a "buy it now" type of thing for the printed version.
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[16:51] <dreamreal> gordonDrogon: cool on the article
[16:51] <dreamreal> :)
[16:52] <IT_Sean> http://blogs.fsfe.org/clemens/2012/10/30/the-one-button-audiobook-player/
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[16:54] <des2> It's a shuffle clone with he lack of display ideal ?
[16:54] <IT_Sean> I thought it was rather neat.
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[16:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, good idea for someone who doesn't need more technology.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> my wory would be mobility of a 90 year old - to plug in a usb stick, etc. my old grand father in-law (94 when he died a few years ago) had a mouse that was like a joystick as he was losing the ability to grip things...
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[17:06] <biberao> hi
[17:09] <des2> Hi biberao
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[17:10] <biberao> hey des2
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[17:25] <aaa801> Anyone had a white dot in the middle of the screen when trying to run emulationstation
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[17:27] <DeliriumTremens> aaa801: i want to say i've heard of that issue before
[17:27] <aaa801> =/
[17:27] <DeliriumTremens> and now i cant remember what caused it
[17:27] <DeliriumTremens> but i don't have any issues running emulation station, so i'm even less helpful
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[17:28] <mrlespaulman> Man, RetroArch is taking forever to start a ROM for some reason
[17:29] <mrlespaulman> Now I have to figure that out
[17:29] <mrlespaulman> argh
[17:29] <DeliriumTremens> working great here :3
[17:29] <DeliriumTremens> although, Rom Collection Browser for xbmc v12 is borked and I have to launch manually
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[17:29] <DeliriumTremens> until the RCB update is released
[17:30] <mrlespaulman> Yeah, everytime I try to use RCB, XBMC is in front of the game
[17:30] <mrlespaulman> nut in small window form
[17:30] <mrlespaulman> *but
[17:30] <DeliriumTremens> the launcher.py script doesn't work with v12
[17:30] <DeliriumTremens> because it's still calling httpapi
[17:31] <DeliriumTremens> instead of JSON
[17:32] <mrlespaulman> /dang its taking forever to move a NES file from my NAS to the RPi
[17:32] <DeliriumTremens> why are you moving them directly to the pi? o.O
[17:32] <mrlespaulman> Trying to isolate the problem
[17:33] <Blu3Knight> Anyone running nginx as a web server?
[17:33] <arcanescu> i added files in lib/firmware on boot a driver loads up utilising these files... ive now removed these files from lib/fimrware the driver still loads.... how do i remove the old drivers completely to update?
[17:34] <mrlespaulman> AHA!
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[17:34] <mrlespaulman> So the bottleneck is somewhere in the network
[17:35] <DeliriumTremens> sounds like it
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[17:35] <DeliriumTremens> if it took more than a fraction of a second to move an NES file
[17:36] <mrlespaulman> Hmmm, just SSH'd to my NAS and ran ps -e
[17:36] <mrlespaulman> theres 20 instances of bftpd running
[17:36] <mrlespaulman> Not sure if normal
[17:36] <DeliriumTremens> -.-
[17:36] <mrlespaulman> lol
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[17:37] <mrlespaulman> rebooting that thing
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[17:38] <mrlespaulman> Heres a question for you
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[17:38] <mrlespaulman> Would it be possible to map my USB joypad to be usable in the terminal?
[17:38] <mrlespaulman> e.g. use of D-pad
[17:38] <hyde> hmm, is there a nice & simple non-daemon DHCP server for Ubuntu, suitable for using with RPi?
[17:39] <DeliriumTremens> ??\_(???)_/??
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[17:39] <hyde> ...asking before I start installing full dhcp3-server package
[17:39] <hyde> ...ideal would be something, which runs on console, and prints leases as it gives them
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[17:40] <Cadmi> hello
[17:41] <Cadmi> Do you know if LCD TFTs support vibration? I want to put it on my motorbike which vibrates a lot
[17:41] <Cadmi> with my raspberry
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[17:43] <hyde> Cadmi: you mean, tolerate vibration?
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[17:45] <hyde> (I mean, phones are screens which support haptic feedback through vibration, so the distinction matters)
[17:45] <_yac_> i think the displays themselves tolerate it, but stuff like ribbon cables or those even thinner printed ones and their connectors/sockets usually don't over time, unless you do it military style
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[17:45] <Cadmi> hyde yes
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[17:45] <Cadmi> sorry for my english jeje
[17:45] <Cadmi> any problem with raspberry tolerance ?
[17:46] <_yac_> usually the smaller screens are more rugged i think, but i also think you get what you pay for. automotive screen are more likely to come with a warranty that covers failure from vibrations
[17:46] <yaMatt> most people are quite tollerant
[17:46] <des2> I don't think so everything is soldered well except the big capacitor.
[17:46] <_yac_> yo hablo espanol pero este canal solamente ingl??s
[17:46] <hyde> on a motorbike, as long as it's properly secured, both device and cables, then it's fine
[17:46] <yaMatt> the capacity beside the power USB plug?
[17:47] <yaMatt> capacitor*
[17:47] <des2> yes people keep breaking that off in the early units.
[17:47] <des2> When they push on it
[17:47] <Cadmi> _yac_ militare style?
[17:47] <hyde> but if parts are loose, then vibration will eventually break them
[17:47] <Cadmi> _yac_ hola !! yo soy espa??ol jeje
[17:48] <_yac_> hyde: yeah properly secured against vibrations, or it'll come loose Cadmi: use heavy-duty stuff, install it so that you can pick up the bike almost by lifting it in any part of the design
[17:48] <Cadmi> ahm
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[17:49] <hyde> ...also some dampening between the device and metal parts of bike will reduce the G forces a lot
[17:49] <aaa801> =/, fixed the white dot, now i have no dam sound
[17:49] <_yac_> if you use bolts you need to either secure them with nylon locking nuts or regular nuts with loctite(just make sure to get the right one if you plan to ever unscrew that bolt)
[17:49] <Cadmi> aha
[17:49] <Cadmi> ok thank you
[17:49] <Cadmi> i don't know if all what i need is possible
[17:50] <Cadmi> i want my lcd in the motorbike
[17:50] <hyde> ...and important thing is to keep things light. more mass means more stress in acceleration
[17:50] <Cadmi> and if possible
[17:50] <Cadmi> resists hits
[17:50] <Cadmi> (when for example it rains a lot..)
[17:50] <narcos> Hi Piers. I'm trying really hard to get my Pi onto my WPA network with a Edimax EW7811Un. I've followed Raspberry_Pi_wireless_adapter.pdf
[17:50] <narcos> But, to no success.
[17:50] <narcos> Could anyone help me debug ? I'm not sure where to look for errors
[17:50] <narcos> I don't see anything error like in /var/log/messages
[17:50] <hyde> Cadmi: you need a waterproof case for it, if you want it be ok in rain while driving
[17:51] <Cadmi> hyde aha very interesting
[17:51] <Cadmi> hyde but i need my lcd to be touch
[17:51] <hyde> ...water + wind = water getting to places you thought were safe
[17:51] <narcos> Actually, I lie, in /var/log/messages I see - Nov 2 16:49:00 localhost vmunix: [ 13.359675] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[17:51] <hyde> Cadmi: then you need a screen which is waterproof
[17:52] <Cadmi> hyde my ideal, to save money, is to buy a lcd and a overlay touch kit
[17:52] <Cadmi> resistive
[17:52] <Cadmi> to allow touch with gloves
[17:53] <Cadmi> do you know overlay touch kit ?
[17:53] <hyde> yeah, you want resistive... A cheap waterproof Android phone might work as a display too
[17:53] <hyde> no
[17:53] <Cadmi> aham
[17:54] <Cadmi> hyde when you have a non- touch lcd you can with this kit, get it to be touch
[17:55] <Cadmi> it's a thin panel that its set on the screen
[17:55] <Cadmi> and has a controller which is connected throught usb
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[17:55] <Cadmi> but i don't know if i will be able to seal it
[17:56] <Cadmi> buying a touch screen is more expensive
[18:00] <dirty_d> cant you use thin plexiglass and silicone sealant?
[18:00] <dirty_d> glue the plexiglass to the egde of the screen
[18:01] <hyde> dirty_d: I think intention was to use resistive touch screen
[18:01] <dirty_d> oh
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[18:04] <narcos> So, this pdf - elinux.org/images/4/4b/Raspberry_Pi_wireless_adapter.pdf - it has a hyperlink, that I cannot click, to obtain new drivers
[18:04] <narcos> Seems silly making the document PDF
[18:05] * narcos finds http://www.rapi.co.uk/edimax-ew7811un
[18:05] <Navi> it's not a hyperlink
[18:05] <Navi> it's blue text that was underlined
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[18:06] <DeliriumTremens> once i got the drivers installed, my edimax works very well
[18:06] <DeliriumTremens> now i'm using raspbmc, which has the drivers loaded by default
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[18:12] * SpeedEvil has too much of almost everything.
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[18:13] <SpeedEvil> except coke and hookers. or indeed Pepsi, and any position of rugby player.
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[18:16] <aaa801> damit virtualbox
[18:17] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: So I installed the xbian image, and followed that tutorial. Here's the result : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wcECLZt6
[18:17] <narcos> I suspect the culprit is "http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wcECLZt6"
[18:17] <narcos> I suspect the culprit is "Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT" , rather
[18:18] <DeliriumTremens> possibly
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[18:19] <DeliriumTremens> did you set up wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[18:20] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: Yeah, as per that tutorial
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[18:20] <DeliriumTremens> if you do ifdown wlan0 then ifup wlan0 what does it say?
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[18:23] <hyde> woohoo, I think this was the first time I have been pleasantly surprised by Ubuntu's Network Damager... It actually managed to set up internet connection sharing without hassle
[18:24] <dreamreal> des2: heh. Talking about wires, resistors, etc. I have ten M-F connectors on hand, and I need about 20 more... along with bins and, bloody hell, a light with a magnifier and a vise. :)
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[18:26] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6xjXeenc
[18:26] <DeliriumTremens> try
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[18:26] <DeliriumTremens> dhclient wlan0
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[18:28] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: I don't think that'd work as iwconfig shows it as not even being associated?
[18:28] <DeliriumTremens> try it
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[18:28] <hyde> narcos: you need to set the ssid somehow, dhcp will not understand anything about that
[18:29] <DeliriumTremens> hyde: he did set the ssid
[18:29] <Cadmi> anyone knows if resistive touchscreen can be adjusted in therms of considering contact or not ?
[18:29] <hyde> well, iwconfig does not show ssid
[18:29] <narcos> hyde: I set my ssid in my wpa_supplicant.conf
[18:29] <Blu3Knight> Hey if anyone is looking for PI's in the US maker shed ??? www.makershed.com has them and it is shipping next day.
[18:29] <hyde> ...and there is some daemon or something, which sets it to the interface?
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[18:30] <DeliriumTremens> narcos: when my edimax failed to grab a lease, i got it to start grabbing with dhclient
[18:30] <hyde> or how does ssid get from that file to the network interface?
[18:30] <DeliriumTremens> hyde: in /etc/network/interfaces you add: wpa_supplicant -dd -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
[18:31] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: Yip
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[18:32] <hyde> DeliriumTremens: ok, starting to get this... I'd try to set the essid manually with iwconfig and see what happens with that
[18:32] <hyde> (looking at the paste)
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[18:33] <DeliriumTremens> narcos: i want to say i get the SIOCSIWENCODEEXT invalid argument line each time my wlan0 interface comes up
[18:33] <DeliriumTremens> but it works
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[18:34] <DeliriumTremens> i was racking my brain with it failing to discover a lease, then dhclient magically fixed all my issues
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[18:35] <DeliriumTremens> either way, i switched to static
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Gah. Can't access wordpress.com becuase all the links to gravatar.com are not timing out )-:
[18:46] <DeliriumTremens> are /not/ timing out?
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> well it seems that gravatar is not responding to me - so I view a page on wordpress.com and it sits there forever waiting for gravatar.com to reply - which it's not )-:
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> Hm. maybe it's ghostery.
[18:50] <[SLB]> works here
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[18:53] <hyde> gordonDrogon: would adblocking gravatar make it work? ;)
[18:54] <hyde> ...or just adding all host names to hosts file of your PC
[18:54] <DeliriumTremens> i wonder if narcos got his wifi working
[18:54] <hyde> at least all the non-working ones
[18:54] <DeliriumTremens> I'LL NEVER KNOW
[18:55] <hyde> he'll be back
[18:55] <DeliriumTremens> they always come back
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I've whitelisted wordpress.com and gravatar.com in ghostery. made some difference.
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> reasons I'm searching is because some muppet has just left a rather whiney/abusive comment about the pages on my projects site (pages, not posts) not having the date on them.
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[19:00] <gordonDrogon> he has a point, although pages are static content...
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> but I can't see how to enable the date display on static pages.
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> Looks like the issue might be some ipv6 routing .. bah.
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[19:09] <DeliriumTremens> wb narcos
[19:09] <narcos> Doh, think I killed my net when I was trying to debug
[19:10] <narcos> Only noticed when I timed out here
[19:10] <narcos> Ended up plugging the Pi in via ethernet
[19:10] <narcos> Thanks DeliriumTremens :)
[19:10] <DeliriumTremens> that's weird
[19:10] <narcos> Next problem, mounting a remote samba share from xbmc
[19:10] <DeliriumTremens> the edimax is a pretty solid dongle
[19:10] <DeliriumTremens> i mount my cifs shares at the OS level then direct xbmc to the mount
[19:10] <narcos> I can see the file share via smblcient, but smbmount doesn't seem to be included
[19:10] <DeliriumTremens> :3
[19:11] <narcos> Hm
[19:11] * narcos Googles cifs
[19:11] <DeliriumTremens> cifs == samba
[19:11] <DeliriumTremens> smb is depreciated, use cifs
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[19:12] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: And from xbmc, how do I mount them?
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[19:12] <DeliriumTremens> i never bothered mounting from xbmc
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[19:12] <DeliriumTremens> i have my shares mounted at startup to /mnt/Share then I point xbmc at those locations
[19:12] <narcos> So I have my media drive plugged into a mac - not sure if it supports cifs?
[19:12] <DeliriumTremens> you can do nfs?
[19:13] <narcos> yeah
[19:13] <narcos> I think
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[19:13] <DeliriumTremens> faster anyway
[19:13] <dw> hey. is it possible to register usb gadget drivers for use with the power line? i see it actually speaks data when plugged into another compuer
[19:13] <DeliriumTremens> works almost the same as cifs
[19:13] <DeliriumTremens> at least the cmd to mount
[19:13] <narcos> Hm, the mac gives me SMB, FTP, and AFP
[19:13] <DeliriumTremens> so you should use cifs
[19:14] <narcos> Hm, ok, so I've shared a folder from my MacBook with the SMB option ticked.
[19:14] <narcos> From the pi I can see it with "smbclient -L //my.ip
[19:14] <narcos> "
[19:14] <narcos> How shall I mount that share from the pi...?
[19:14] <narcos> Is there a cifs client..?
[19:14] <DeliriumTremens> mount -t cifs
[19:15] <DeliriumTremens> mkdir /mnt/<folder>
[19:15] <narcos> ah
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[19:15] <DeliriumTremens> mount -t cifs //ip/share /mnt/<folder> -o username=user,password=pass
[19:15] <DeliriumTremens> that wont stay persistent though, so when you restart its going to drop
[19:15] <DeliriumTremens> you need to look up adding mounts to fstab
[19:16] <narcos> "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //"
[19:16] <DeliriumTremens> nice
[19:16] <narcos> from "mount -t cifs // /media/movies"
[19:16] <DeliriumTremens> try mount -t smb?
[19:16] <Rudeviper> can we use a composite to VGA adapter to get video on our monitors??????????
[19:16] <narcos> "mount: unknown filesystem type 'smb'"
[19:16] <narcos> Rudeviper: With enough question marks, you can do anything :)
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[19:17] <Rudeviper> lol
[19:17] <DeliriumTremens> narcos: i'm not familiar with mac at all
[19:17] <IT_Sean> I'm sorry. We can only answer questions that end in a SINGLE "?"
[19:17] <Rudeviper> Seriously though - can we use that adapter?
[19:17] <narcos> Hmm @ http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=7446&p=91785
[19:17] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: It's a windows share from the network's point of view
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Rudeviper, is it a composite to VGA dapter, or a VGA to composite adapter?
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[19:18] <DeliriumTremens> try...
[19:18] <DeliriumTremens> mount -t cifs //ip/share /mnt/<folder> -o username=user,password=pass,nounix,sec=ntlmssp
[19:18] <narcos> Just apt-getting cifs-utils
[19:19] <DeliriumTremens> or that
[19:19] <DeliriumTremens> hah
[19:19] <narcos> 13mb of new packages.
[19:19] * narcos waits...
[19:19] <DeliriumTremens> did you get wlan0 up?
[19:19] <narcos> Nope.
[19:19] <DeliriumTremens> perfect
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[19:19] <narcos> Problem for another day.
[19:19] <narcos> Maybe if I cry enough onto the Pi the tears will make it work :-(
[19:20] <Rudeviper> well - the one I was looking is computer to tv - so that one probably won't work - I am trying to find composite to vga - but will that work?
[19:20] <IT_Sean> the computer to tv one would be VGA to composite. Not sure that would work.
[19:21] <IT_Sean> I don't think there is such an adapter. At least, not a passive one. A composite to VGA adapter, if such a thing exists, is bound to cost more than the Pi itself.
[19:21] <narcos> Holy good gravy batman, the cifs plays nice.
[19:21] <Rudeviper> probably not - I found one that is composite to vga - and according to the description it should work
[19:21] <DeliriumTremens> just out of curiosity
[19:21] <DeliriumTremens> what is your output of lsmod
[19:21] <DeliriumTremens> is 8192cu in there?
[19:23] <narcos> "Downloading movie information
[19:23] <narcos> "
[19:23] <Rudeviper> I have one of the old composit in svideo and cable line out for tv - but I would like to have a set up so I could use a monitor at my desk and not have to put a tv up here too when I am messing with the pi
[19:24] <Rudeviper> but I guess using the web control - or ssh will have to do.
[19:24] <DeliriumTremens> narcos: well that will be running for a while ;)
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[19:25] <narcos> Zounds. My WiFi is up the creek.
[19:25] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: Not sure what the last message you saw from me was - I saw you asking if you got my wlan0 up. I said no, and was going to try crying onto it.
[19:26] <DeliriumTremens> yes i saw that
[19:26] <DeliriumTremens> lol
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[19:26] <DeliriumTremens> i asked if you had 8192cu in your output of lsmod
[19:27] <narcos> Ja I do
[19:27] <narcos> I was chatting to some guys on #linux, and they said for the kernel version I have there's no need to add new drivers
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[19:28] <DeliriumTremens> well if you have 8192cu in there, it should work
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[19:28] <LordThumper> Hi again
[19:28] <LordThumper> Does anyone use Raspbmc?
[19:28] <DeliriumTremens> I do
[19:28] <narcos> Sweet, playing my first movie over the pi
[19:29] * narcos hugs DeliriumTremens for the help
[19:29] <narcos> :P
[19:29] * DeliriumTremens nods
[19:29] <LordThumper> Do you know how I can show the video input through the phono input?
[19:29] <LordThumper> The video RCA connector
[19:29] <DeliriumTremens> wut
[19:29] <IT_Sean> phono output?
[19:29] <DeliriumTremens> oh
[19:29] <IT_Sean> video input?
[19:29] <LordThumper> yes
[19:29] <IT_Sean> the Pi hasn't got a video in
[19:30] * Rudeviper jumps up and down waving at LordThumper! I do!
[19:30] <DeliriumTremens> IT_Sean: almost positive it's a case of ESL
[19:30] <hyde> hmm, this may sound like a stupid question, but what is the standard way to do SW dev for RPi? Let's say, using Raspbian.
[19:30] <LordThumper> Er yes english is my second language
[19:30] <LordThumper> But
[19:30] <LordThumper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector
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[19:31] <LordThumper> Also called phono connector
[19:31] <Rudeviper> LordThumper both HDMI and the composite video ports are outbound only on the pi - at least that is what the documentation imply's.
[19:31] <DeliriumTremens> he knows that
[19:31] <LordThumper> I see
[19:31] <DeliriumTremens> it's a matter of your video only going out through hdmi?
[19:31] <narcos> Damn, this is the first time I've used a media centre for my terabyte of movies. It's epic how it auto populates stuff from imdb.
[19:32] <DeliriumTremens> you...scraped a TB of movies that quickly?
[19:32] <IT_Sean> LordThumper, those are both OUTS.
[19:32] <IT_Sean> They ouput only.
[19:32] <LordThumper> Yes, I understood 5 minutes ago :)
[19:32] <LordThumper> But thanks
[19:32] <IT_Sean> Okay.
[19:32] <IT_Sean> I was safk... just trying to help m8.
[19:32] <LordThumper> So, any way to connect the pi to a live tv stream?
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[19:33] <IT_Sean> is this 'stream' on the internet?
[19:33] <LordThumper> USB DVB-T dongle?
[19:33] <LordThumper> no
[19:33] <LordThumper> from my decoder
[19:33] <LordThumper> OTA
[19:33] <DeliriumTremens> narcos: are you using mysql for your db?
[19:34] <IT_Sean> You would need aditional hardware to get the video into the pi. a USB tuner or video input device.
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Not to mention the software to handle it.
[19:34] <LordThumper> I see
[19:35] <LordThumper> I wanted to be put the pi between my decoder and my tv, so I could record TV
[19:35] <LordThumper> to put*
[19:35] <steve_rox2> i have a usb digital device no idea how to make it work on the pi
[19:36] <steve_rox2> the power consumption would lead to hubs
[19:36] <IT_Sean> The raspi has no way to take the video in from your receiver. you need an additional hardware device to capture the video and pass it to the Pi, as well as ARM compatable software to handle that hardware
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[19:36] <narcos> DeliriumTremens: Nafc - whatever xbian does my default. I didn't see an option to choose.
[19:36] * narcos Googles for fstab and cifs
[19:37] <LordThumper> Seems there are RCA to USB cables available
[19:37] <IT_Sean> yes, that is what you would need. Plus the drivers and software to handle the video stream & device.
[19:38] <IT_Sean> The tricky part would be getting one of those to work on the Pi.
[19:38] <IT_Sean> You would need to get ARM compiled drivers.
[19:38] <LordThumper> If I can find linux drivers, I could compile them myself
[19:39] <IT_Sean> go for it.
[19:39] <LordThumper> raspbmc seems to have a "live tv" menu
[19:39] <LordThumper> Is that an internet stream?
[19:39] <IT_Sean> No, that would be ofr a tuner
[19:40] <IT_Sean> *for
[19:40] <IT_Sean> *or other input device
[19:40] <LordThumper> I see.
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[19:41] <LordThumper> Any suggestions for a USB tuner?
[19:42] <IT_Sean> Sorry, not from me.
[19:42] <DeliriumTremens> narcos: xbmc is still alpha especially on the pi, sometimes requires reinstalls cus it will break
[19:42] <LordThumper> Ok, I assume that it is impossible to descramble the paid channels with a tuner anyway
[19:42] <DeliriumTremens> if you move your db to a mysql backend you can avoid rescraping your libraries
[19:43] <IT_Sean> You would need some sort of USB cablecard drive from your provider... IF there is such a thing
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[19:43] <LordThumper> Don't think my provider sells those, only set-top boxes and the tuner that can be plugged in the tv
[19:44] <LordThumper> Don't it uses a USB connector
[19:44] <IT_Sean> then no, you would have no way to descramble, unless you get another BOX from the provider, and run that into the USB capture device.
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[20:36] <b0ot> How would I install camera.app
[20:36] <b0ot> wheezy doesn't like my camera when i plug it in
[20:36] <b0ot> and i heard getting camera.app would fix it
[20:36] <scummos> what's "camera.app"
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[20:37] <scummos> maybe loading the uvcvideo kernel module would help more ;P
[20:37] <scummos> but the kernel should do that automatically
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[20:40] <b0ot> scummos,
[20:41] <b0ot> i get a wierd lock error
[20:44] <scummos> well the error message would be sort of helpful
[20:44] <Tachyon`> hrm, I'd not thought of trying the scumm games
[20:45] <Tachyon`> day of the tentacle o pi
[20:46] <shiftplusone> don't forget monkey island as well
[20:47] <DeliriumTremens> aw yis, monkey island
[20:47] <b0ot> Error initializing camera: -60: Could not lock the device
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[20:50] <scummos> are you root?
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[20:52] <b0ot> yes
[20:53] <b0ot> scummos, should I not be?
[20:53] <basti> does someone know what the status of the dts license is? i really would like to buy one
[20:54] <scummos> b0ot: no, that's ok for testing... hmm... did you look at dmesg?
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[20:58] <b0ot> http://pastie.org/5173492
[20:58] <scummos> well this looks good, doesn't it?
[20:58] <scummos> [ 3866.044275] usb 1-1.3: Product: KODAK EASYSHARE C182 Digital Camera
[20:58] <scummos> that looks like the camera was recognized correctly
[20:59] <b0ot> scummos, doesn't work
[20:59] <scummos> how do you determine that?
[20:59] <shiftplusone> scummos, I think that only says that it recognises the name... I don't see any drivers loading or anything like that.
[20:59] <rikkib> Replug the device
[21:00] <scummos> shiftplusone: are you sure? might be...
[21:00] <scummos> if in doubt, check with lsusb -v
[21:00] <scummos> it'll tell you which driver is used to control a device
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[21:02] <yimmy> quiet in here
[21:02] <shiftplusone> Yup, that's something you can decide in under a minute after joining >_<
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[21:03] <yimmy> 405 people you expect to see some movement in a hurry :)
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[21:03] <scummos> well most of them are idle ;P
[21:03] <scummos> it's always like this in IRC
[21:03] <scummos> I only know few channels where there's always someone talking
[21:04] <scummos> b0ot: try using another program to control the camera, which one are you using now?
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> say cheese ...
[21:05] <scummos> yes, that's what I'd have suggested too
[21:05] <mythos> he joint a minute before his quiet-statement... enough said
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[21:22] <mumbles> ok useing raspberian weezy is there a apt-get that shows up the date/time and twitter feeds?
[21:22] <mumbles> custom homepage style?
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[21:29] <mrmoney2012> grrr - need help first time with GPIO and breadboard waiting for success till i open a beer...
[21:29] <mrmoney2012> so far - no beer???.
[21:30] <mrmoney2012> am doing this??? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/temperature/#step-six
[21:30] <mrmoney2012> am on step3 ???
[21:31] <mrmoney2012> everything is connected up.. i do sudo modprobe w1-gpio && sudo modprobe w1-therm && cd /sys/bus/w1/devices/ && ls (as instructed)
[21:31] <mumbles> mrmoney2012: i have beer but cant help.
[21:31] <mrmoney2012> but the the serial number of the sensor is just not there !
[21:32] <mrmoney2012> just a directory called w1_bus_master1
[21:32] <yimmy> do you have a resistor on your temp sensor from step 2?
[21:32] <mrmoney2012> i expected to see that directory and the serial number of my sensor
[21:32] <mrmoney2012> yimmy: good question - yes. but i'm not certain it's the right one
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[21:33] <yimmy> 4.7k is ideal
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> that matters right ?
[21:33] <nero> it certainly does.
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> guy in maplin told me it was the right one
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> hehe
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> i have a meter here with me
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> not great on using it though
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> check the resistance ?
[21:33] <nero> what are the color bands?
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> set to 20K, 2K ?
[21:33] <nero> on the resistor?
[21:34] <mrmoney2012> am colour blind
[21:34] <mrmoney2012> hehe
[21:34] <nero> 20k will do the trick then..
[21:34] <mrmoney2012> ok
[21:34] <mrmoney2012> checking
[21:34] <mrmoney2012> one mo
[21:34] <nero> 2k would measure a resistence between 0 and 2k. you are measuring for 4.7k.
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> *sigh* all that stuff being done as root. Just install wiringPi and use the gpio program...
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> although it doesn't have 1-wire stuff.
[21:34] <yimmy> and also make sure its soldered from signal to vcc, not gnd
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[21:35] <mrmoney2012> 20k settting??? readout fluctuates between 0.04 and 0.05
[21:35] <nero> then your resistor is way too small.
[21:35] <mrmoney2012> thats putting the probes on each side of the resistor
[21:35] <mrmoney2012> ooooops
[21:35] <mrmoney2012> naughty maplin !
[21:35] <mrmoney2012> but good news! :-)
[21:35] <mrmoney2012> as that might explain it i guess
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> that step 5 is wrong too.
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> Connect the 220??? resistor between the ground pin of the Pi and the other (longer) leg of the LED.
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> will shutdown the pi and examine this other bag of resistors
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> That should be the shorter leg.
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: - haven't got anywhere near that far yet.
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> my beer promise to myself is when i can read the sensor !!
[21:36] * mrmoney2012 hopes he has the resistor
[21:37] <mrmoney2012> what should my meter read on 20K setting ?
[21:37] <nero> 4.7
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[21:37] <mrmoney2012> thanks
[21:37] <mrmoney2012> i got the kit on ebay.. 9.99
[21:37] <mrmoney2012> bag of bits with it
[21:38] <mrmoney2012> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121004603595&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:GB:3160
[21:38] <yimmy> no 4.7k resistors in there
[21:38] <nero> The 4.7 khom resistor should have (going in one direction) yellow, purple, red, then a blank, then (usually) a gold or silver stripe (if I am remembering my resistor codes)
[21:38] <mumbles> thats cool.
[21:38] <mrmoney2012> 1at resistor tested = 10.18
[21:39] <mrmoney2012> yimmy: :-(??? so I'm snookered?
[21:39] <mumbles> i have a bagt of resistors from maplins ages ago
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[21:39] <yimmy> that ebay link says you've got 6 330ohm resistors, and 3 10k resistors
[21:39] <mrmoney2012> grrr??? so close and yet so far
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[21:40] <mumbles> wish i had money
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[21:40] <mumbles> bookmarks
[21:40] <nero> mrmoney2012: get yourself something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-365-Piece-Resistor-Kit/dp/B0002HBQHW
[21:40] <Blu3Knight> Has anyone tried to have the OS on an external USB with the new Kernel that was released?
[21:41] <nero> if you're planning on doing anything with electronics.
[21:41] <mrmoney2012> so it won't work with 330ohm or 10k
[21:41] <yimmy> you might be able to get away with using the 2 10k resistors and wiring them in parallel
[21:41] <mrmoney2012> aha !
[21:41] <nero> or 14 or so of the 330ohms in series ;)
[21:42] <mrmoney2012> so connect them to each other on my bread board to somehow make the resistance 4.7
[21:42] <mrmoney2012> i will test on a spare bit of the bread board
[21:42] <nero> connected in parallel, they'll give you 5kohm.
[21:42] <yimmy> so instead of a single 4.7k oh resistor, use the two 10k resistors. side by side
[21:42] <mrmoney2012> ok??? trying
[21:42] <mrmoney2012> ta
[21:43] <nero> mrmoney2012: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits#Parallel_circuits
[21:43] <nero> (that link also shows how you'd calculate the resisistance you get from 2 10kohm resistors in parallel)
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[21:45] <mumbles> io need something cool to do with my pi
[21:45] <nero> mumbles: make a digital picture frame.. :)
[21:46] <mrmoney2012> ok???
[21:46] <mrmoney2012> i kind of guessed about parrallel
[21:46] <mrmoney2012> but now my resistance reads 5
[21:46] <mrmoney2012> across the pins
[21:46] <nero> it should.
[21:46] <mrmoney2012> here goes...:-)
[21:46] <yimmy> I'm trying to monitor a kegerator but having issues with python reading from the arduino. I'm not getting the same output in python as I am from the arduino view screen :(
[21:47] * mrmoney2012 hopes beer is imminent
[21:47] <bircoe> are your sensors connected to the Arudino?
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[21:47] <yimmy> yeah, DS18S20 and flow sensors so I need the interrupts on the arduino
[21:48] <bircoe> ahhh
[21:48] <bircoe> how are you trying to connect to it?
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[21:48] <bircoe> serial or USB?
[21:48] <yimmy> usb
[21:48] <mrmoney2012> O M G - BEER TIME :-)
[21:48] <mrmoney2012> thanks very much - what a great place to get help!
[21:48] <nero> yay!
[21:49] <mrmoney2012> now lets see if i can read the temp
[21:49] <yimmy> grats
[21:49] * nero wishes he could have a beer.. :(
[21:49] <bircoe> can you paste and example of the output of both?
[21:49] <mrmoney2012> the serial number is there
[21:50] <mrmoney2012> 21.875 degrees
[21:51] <mrmoney2012> and i put it in my hand and it goes up
[21:51] <mrmoney2012> wonderful
[21:51] <bircoe> sounds like it works to me :)
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[21:51] <mrmoney2012> first time i have connected anything to a computer like that
[21:51] <mrmoney2012> it's not so hard.
[21:53] <bircoe> what temp sensor?
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[21:54] <yimmy> He's using a DS18B20
[21:54] <bircoe> ahhh ol trusty
[21:55] <mrmoney2012> got a couple on the bay
[21:55] <mrmoney2012> couple of quid each
[21:55] <bircoe> they're a fun sensor...
[21:55] <bircoe> you can run multiple sensors paralleled on the same cable
[21:55] <mrmoney2012> my first attempt was soldering connections??? this id not go well !
[21:55] <mrmoney2012> breadboard is easy
[21:56] <nero> soldering takes a bit of practice.. make sure you get yourself a "third hand", as it makes the process much much easier.
[21:56] <Blu3Knight> nero: Third Hand = Vice??
[21:57] <bircoe> or just get really tricky without how you use tools lying around your desk!
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[21:57] <nero> Blu3Knight: something like this: http://compare.ebay.com/like/190735389032?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
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[21:58] <Blu3Knight> nero: Vice = Clamps = Same thing = Third Hand
[21:58] <nero> Blu3Knight: heh.. the only vice I have is a 9" vice I use out in the garage.. isn't quite appropriate for soldering ;)
[22:00] <mrmoney2012> i got the third hand today at marlin also - 9.99 crocodile clip thingy
[22:00] <mrmoney2012> but not needed to solder now with the breadboard
[22:00] <mrmoney2012> amazing thing
[22:01] <nero> mrmoney2012: are you using a ribbon cable or some such to connect the GPIO pins to the breadboard? Or individual wires?
[22:01] <mrmoney2012> no ribbon
[22:01] <mrmoney2012> individual wires
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[22:21] <yimmy> so anyhow, back to my arduino to pi connection via usb tty.
[22:22] <yimmy> on all systems but reading with python I get a CSV line. like this "32,32,0,200" without the "" for the temps and then the flow meter readings
[22:23] <yimmy> actually I: might have just fixed it with a better power supply
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[22:24] <yimmy> I'll let it run awhile longer but was getting a bunch of \0x00
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[22:30] <Datalink> yimmy, you do need a supply able to supply both the Pi and the Arduino, my supply's too low, I typically end up using TTY straight but I also have a 3.3v capable Arduino
[22:30] <yimmy> my flow sensors need 5v. but I had a powered usb hub on it. I took the hub off and am now powering the arduino directly with another power supply.
[22:31] <Datalink> ok
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[22:35] <yimmy> yup still working. Time to go pour myself a beer and see if it blows up
[22:36] <yimmy> w00t
[22:36] <yimmy> cold beer and successful monitoring!
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[22:40] <SpeedEvil> http://community.ebay.co.uk/topic/Search-Categories/Wildcard-Search-Withdrawal/1700102621
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> if you care about eBay removing wildcards from search
[22:43] <Tachyon`> anyone had the pi running a neo geo emu yet?
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[23:00] <bbond007> i can confirm this $15 HDMI->VGA adapter works great with RPI http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-male-to-VGA-RGB-female-Video-Converter-adapter-1080P-for-project-tablet-BK-/160907657451?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2576d800eb
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[23:01] <jmadero> afternoon all
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> odd
[23:02] <jmadero> anyone have a ssh client on android phone that they can connect to their pi? I tried one last night, got to asking for my password but then kept refusing it
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[23:02] <NucWin> i use connectbot for my ssh needs
[23:03] <jmadero> NucWin: that's the one I tried, hmm,
[23:03] <NucWin> & es file explorer for sftp
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[23:03] <jmadero> very strange that it kept saying my password failed
[23:04] <jmadero> tried shutting down my pi remotely last night and just couldn't connect
[23:04] <NucWin> i also use Fing network scanner to find the ip address of my pi on the network
[23:04] <NucWin> if your trying to connect from outside of your router you would need to map a port on your router
[23:04] <jmadero> within router, I mean it connects
[23:04] <jmadero> it just refuses password
[23:04] <jmadero> the ip is static to the pi
[23:05] <jmadero> can ssh just fine within Bodhi
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[23:05] <NucWin> oh i might have had a password issue once
[23:05] <NucWin> try changing the password to something simple and lowercase
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[23:06] <jmadero> lol it's the default, can't get much simpler than that
[23:06] <NucWin> i think its a keyboard related thing
[23:06] <jmadero> "raspberry" haha
[23:06] <NucWin> maybe use keypair then
[23:06] <jmadero> yeah that's a good idea, I'll try that
[23:06] <NucWin> connectbot has keygen
[23:06] <jmadero> another question, anyone have aeon working ?
[23:06] <jmadero> mine kept locking, not sure why a skin would freeze the pi
[23:06] <jmadero> unless there's a bug with the theme
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[23:18] <rikkib> After 5 + weeks a replacement SD arrived. One of my Transcend 16gb class 10 cards went bad. Blocks 0 - 2 unreadable.
[23:20] <bertrik> Do you think the pi killed it?
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[23:28] <zleap> i thought sd cards were meant to be more reliable than normal HDD, how does this affect solid state drives
[23:29] <plugwash> SD cards suck at the kind of workloads operating systems put them under, unfortunately there is no other soloution that gives the easy interchangability, low prices and ability to be written by a standard PC for recovery.
[23:30] <zleap> ah
[23:30] <zleap> i am off anyway, chat later
[23:30] <plugwash> SSDs have far more advanced controllers that are designed to cope with the workloads operating systems put them under (they still screw it up sometimes though)
[23:31] <zleap> hmm
[23:31] <zleap> so normal magnetic stuff is still the most reliable
[23:31] <zleap> i guess
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[23:31] <zleap> got 2 go anyway
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[23:31] <plugwash> SSDs probablly stand rough treatment better than HDDs but for a box that is sitting still I'd expect HDDs to be the most reliable
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[23:32] <plugwash> P.S. just because sectors are unreadable doesn't nessacerally mean they are unwritable
[23:32] <cmdrkeen> hello
[23:32] <plugwash> hi
[23:32] <cmdrkeen> is someone in here with some expierience on the spi_bcm2708 module?
[23:33] <cmdrkeen> because i don't get the chip select to work ?.?
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I've used it.
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[23:34] <cmdrkeen> i've tried this "native?" lib bcm2835, and with this, it is working
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> the chip selects work when you send data over it - you choose which one by opening the appropriate /dev/ device.
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> have a look at my simple spi helpers in wiringPi for some hints.
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[23:35] <cmdrkeen> gordonDrogon: yeah, i know that spidev0.0 and spidev0.1 are triggering the pins
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> you should never need to use that 'bit banged' driver.
[23:36] <cmdrkeen> thats why i want to use the prefered method :-)
[23:36] <cmdrkeen> OOH
[23:36] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, can the SPI system do more than one thing during a single action of the chip-select?
[23:36] <cmdrkeen> you are gordonDrogon!
[23:36] <cmdrkeen> heey.. cool lib ;-)
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> you can transfer multiple bytes - but that's about it.
[23:37] <cmdrkeen> i've looked already at your code
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:37] <cmdrkeen> but you've stated something interessting
[23:37] <cmdrkeen> it triggers only if i send data?
[23:38] <cmdrkeen> i thought it would be triggered directly after the open call
[23:38] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, hmm if you can't do a multi-stage transaction with only one activation of the chip select it's pretty crippled IMO
[23:39] <rikkib> Some spi's can handle the cs going high for a short time
[23:39] <cmdrkeen> gordonDrogon: can i send you my (still hacky) samplecode?
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, hey, I didn't write the kernel code...
[23:39] <plugwash> the thing is on SPI the chip select often does more than just select a chip, it also acts as a start of transaction market in many cases
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> from what I gether, as soon as you start to send data it activates the CS, then removes it when the data xfer is over.
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> cmdrkeen, send the code if you want...
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> I've not had issues using it to talk to A/D's, D/A's and those fancy LED drivers (which don't need CE anyway)
[23:40] <cmdrkeen> gordonDrogon: okay.. and at 500khz, i should not see my LED flicker at all
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> you can run it at 32MHz.
[23:41] <plugwash> how are reads handled, does it always just read in the same number of bytes it writes out?
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> but there is a bit of kernel latency...
[23:41] <cmdrkeen> is there a minimum spped?
[23:41] <cmdrkeen> speed
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, yes - it's bit out/bit in synchronised to the clock.
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> no idea what the minimum is - I started at 500MHz when I was testing..
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[23:42] <gordonDrogon> anyway, i'm off to bed - laters!
[23:42] <plugwash> 500MHz seems very high for a SPI clock to me......
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[23:42] <rikkib> Perhaps Commander Keen needs to do a loopback test first
[23:42] <cmdrkeen> khz
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[23:44] <cmdrkeen> hmm.. or i simply need to hook up some real chips rikkib.. i have two LED's connected to the CS pins
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[23:44] <rikkib> Hopefully through a buffer.
[23:44] <cmdrkeen> but the loopback test is a good idea
[23:44] <cmdrkeen> low current
[23:45] <cmdrkeen> with matching resistors (1k5)
[23:45] <cmdrkeen> should be save ,-)
[23:45] <cmdrkeen> ;-)
[23:45] <rikkib> None of the pins of the RPi are really capable of driving much
[23:46] <rikkib> power wise I mean
[23:48] <cmdrkeen> i know, that's why i've used low current led's
[23:48] <cmdrkeen> btw, i've found the error
[23:49] <rikkib> Do what I do. Pillage PC's for the connectors (leads to front panel led's and switches). Use a multi meter to test pin state.
[23:49] <cmdrkeen> my write/read call fucks up during ioctl.. that's why no chip sel fires HI
[23:50] <rikkib> Careful with the bad words please. Chan can have kids.
[23:50] <cmdrkeen> and i thought cs comes after opening the driver, so i've did not checked my return
[23:50] <cmdrkeen> oh.. i'm sorry ?.?
[23:51] <rikkib> ahhh test return value is a catch in many languages
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[23:53] <rikkib> Good luck with the spi. I am interested in it as I have STM32V boards that I am hooking up to the RPi
[23:53] <rikkib> Current wired to the boards and slowly working in the software for both ends.
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[23:54] <rikkib> I am going to work on serial first and get a serial console going
[23:55] <rikkib> Then fast data over spi
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[23:57] <cmdrkeen> i will write a tutorial about spi on my blog
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