#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-03

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[0:00] * rikkib has a love hate relationship with writing. Could write well. Had stroke. Learned again but it now takes ten times the checking to catch the dyslexic working of a damaged brain.
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[0:01] * plugwash notes that the linux kernel SPI documentation is pretty poor :(
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[0:02] <rikkib> Ask Chris when he is here
[0:02] <Armand> What's the status on support for the DSI port ?
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[0:04] <plugwash> Armand, the impression I get is that the DSI stuff isn't going to get worked on until the camera is done
[0:04] <Armand> Ok, thanks. :(
[0:04] <Armand> For some reason, I had it in my head that the DSI would be more of a priority. O_o
[0:05] <Armand> But, who am I to say? :P
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[0:12] <plugwash> IMO for educational use at least the camera is more important
[0:13] <plugwash> because it will allow for robotics projects with vision (yes it's just about possible to use a webcam but it's FAR from ideal)
[0:13] <cmdrkeen> hm :-/ okay, i've fixed my wr routine, but still no CS signal
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[0:16] <Armand> That sounds fair enough.. :)
[0:16] <cmdrkeen> have tied miso/mosi, but no data comes throught.. maybe there is something wrong with my kernel module ?.?
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[0:22] <plugwash> silly question but have you exported the pins for GPIO?
[0:23] <plugwash> if so then that may have "taken over" the pins so the SPI controller can't get the pins it needs
[0:23] <cmdrkeen> i shouldn't
[0:23] <cmdrkeen> ^^
[0:24] <cmdrkeen> but i've recognized that i didn't execute rpi-update after my fresh raspbian install
[0:24] * [SkG] (~sconde@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) Quit (Quit: Saliendo)
[0:26] <cmdrkeen> maybe it's a firmware issue?
[0:26] <cmdrkeen> because i didn't ran this update script
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[0:26] <plugwash> maybe, also how do you know if data is coming out or not?
[0:27] <plugwash> LEDs aren't going to show you much at typical SPI bus speeds
[0:27] <cmdrkeen> i know, that's why i have shorten the the MISO MOSI pins
[0:27] <cmdrkeen> but there is no data that comes back
[0:27] <cmdrkeen> i've tested it with spidev_test.c
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[0:29] <cmdrkeen> the LED's did just made sense as long as i believed that the chip select will raise HI when the device is opened
[0:29] <Armand> I know I was asking about this before, but... my mind is hazed.. Can I put 5V into the GPIO, if it's properly regulated and has a fuse ?
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[0:29] <rikkib> CS is positive logic normally but there is not standard
[0:29] <rikkib> no
[0:30] <rikkib> In other words the CS pin is normally high
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[0:30] <rikkib> and is set low by the master
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[0:31] <rikkib> during an spi transaction
[0:31] <cmdrkeen> well
[0:31] <cmdrkeen> yeah.. normally ^^
[0:31] <cmdrkeen> as long as you don't change that explictly
[0:31] <rikkib> There is no standard and some spi chips use normal logic
[0:31] <cmdrkeen> i nean on the pi
[0:32] <rikkib> Yes
[0:32] <cmdrkeen> you can change that behavior in your ioctl mode
[0:32] <rikkib> Perhaps read /drivers/ whereever spi is in the kernel driver tree
[0:33] <rikkib> The RPi is different from a normal spi in that is has a fifo 3
[0:34] <plugwash> Armand, you can put 5V on the 5V power pin of the GPIO header to power the Pi. You MUST NOT put 5V on the GPIO pins themselves.
[0:34] <cmdrkeen> sorry, i didn't get you with that (eng is not my motherlanguage)
[0:34] <rikkib> 3 x 16 bits from what I can gather from reading the data sheet
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[0:34] <Armand> plugwash, that is what I mean.. the 5V input, sorry.
[0:35] <rikkib> cmdrkeen, Give me a moment
[0:36] <cmdrkeen> oh.. hey
[0:36] <cmdrkeen> it works!
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[0:36] <cmdrkeen> ALL!
[0:36] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[0:36] <rikkib> Well done
[0:36] <cmdrkeen> cs.. loopback.. how awesome ^^
[0:37] <cmdrkeen> i could save myself neary 4 hours of hacking around if i hadn't forgot the firmware update
[0:37] <cmdrkeen> ^^
[0:37] <Armand> plugwash, that would only be pin2 then.. not pin 4 also?
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[0:38] <rikkib> cmdrkeen, Have you read the Broadcom BCM2835 ARM Peripheral doc?
[0:38] <cmdrkeen> not yet
[0:38] <plugwash> You should be ok to connect to both pins 2 and 4 indeed it's probablly a good idea to to reduce the current on any individual pin
[0:39] <rikkib> Search on that phrase sould find it.
[0:39] <rikkib> of the elinux wiki
[0:39] <rikkib> or
[0:39] <Armand> plugwash, on a single pin.. would a 2A fuse be too much?
[0:40] <cmdrkeen> yap, i normally look on the elinux page
[0:40] <plugwash> I'd think a 2A fuse would be enough to cut things off before anything catestrophic happened
[0:40] <rikkib> I have 1.1 poly fuse to power the RPi
[0:40] <BillyBag2> Hi, wanted to connect an srf04 ultrasonic sensor. Was considering a 555, RC filter and ADC. I was planning to add an i2c ADC anyway.
[0:40] <plugwash> but since we don't have the actual design files or any official specs it's impossible to know for sure
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[0:40] <rikkib> On a break out board
[0:40] <rikkib> 1.1A
[0:40] <Armand> Ok.. I've only got 2A fuses right now. I can replace that later.
[0:41] <Armand> I can't do too much detailed hackery, as I'm limited by resources (lack of) :(
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[0:41] <cmdrkeen> okay, i want to give you all a huge thank you for your great support
[0:42] <rikkib> Extra resources arrived today... One more 16gb class 10 sd card
[0:42] <cmdrkeen> but i'm out for now to get some sleep. bye guys
[0:42] <Armand> .o/
[0:42] <rikkib> Night
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[0:43] <Armand> I'm really worried about the chances of killing my first unit.. I'm being very cautious in going ahead with this mod.
[0:43] <Armand> I've got all the solar setup working and tested.. all the regulators are good. :)
[0:44] <rikkib> I still have Commander Keen on two old win98 machines here.
[0:44] <Armand> -_-
[0:44] <Armand> Awful games.
[0:44] <Armand> :P
[0:44] <rikkib> Old school game
[0:44] * halfhalo (halfhalo@nasadmin/webteam/halfhalo) Quit (Excess Flood)
[0:44] <Armand> Tie Fighter.. classic!
[0:45] <Tachyon`> hrm, well, gngeo works nicely it seems, odd that it's not packaged
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[0:45] <rikkib> In the early 1980's I was a spacy tech building and servicing machines...
[0:46] <Armand> rikkib, someone needs to port classic DOS games to Pi!
[0:46] <Tachyon`> you've already got dosbox
[0:46] <Tachyon`> they don't need porting
[0:46] <Armand> Go native. :P
[0:46] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepineogeo.jpg
[0:46] <Armand> I'd love to play Tie Fighter again.. on something newer than a Pentium 200 MMX
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[0:46] <Tachyon`> gngeo, you don't need the overclock, it just stops the occasional dips below 60fps
[0:47] <Armand> rikkib, in the early 80's.. I was still at junior school.
[0:48] <Tachyon`> lot of classic games on neo geo (some of which ate far too many 20p coins in my younger days)
[0:49] <Armand> 1942 destroyed my pocket money... lol
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[0:50] <[deXter]> Hey guys, would this adapter here be suitable for the RPi (I've got the 512MB version)? http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/other-electronics/adaptors-chargers/auction-529741482.htm ?
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[0:50] <rikkib> I used to have a collection of old boards and a table top machine that I put in a tv case to make it portable.
[0:50] <rikkib> Eventually the back got smashed off the screen
[0:51] <Armand> >_<
[0:51] <Armand> I do want to build an arcade clone.
[0:51] <Armand> Street Fighter 2 Turbo would be one..
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> [deXter]: you really don't need muktivoltage
[0:51] <Tachyon`> yes, a small mame machine shall be built here, lol
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> only 5
[0:51] <Tachyon`> I have a laptop with 4:3 lcd reserved for exactly that purpose
[0:51] <rikkib> Kids loved it when I serviced the machines. I would open the door and show them where the switch was.
[0:51] <Tachyon`> the bartop style ones
[0:52] <Armand> I've got a junked LCD out back... must investigate.
[0:52] <Armand> brb. -_-
[0:52] <maicod> hi guys
[0:52] <rikkib> Hello
[0:53] <[deXter]> SpeedEvil, Fair enough, but would the 1.5Amps be enough? I mean, would an attached USB HDD for example be able to draw the power if needed?
[0:53] <Tachyon`> probably not unless you disable the polyfuse
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[0:54] <[deXter]> hmm
[0:54] <maicod> dexter: even if the power adapter gives over 1 A the older Pi boards can't power an external USB HDD
[0:54] <maicod> I mean the 256 boards
[0:54] <maicod> you need a powewered hub
[0:54] <Tachyon`> they can if you disable the fuse
[0:54] <chithead> you can power the pi over the its usb-a sockets
[0:54] <maicod> oh
[0:54] <Tachyon`> have one here running an HDD
[0:54] <chithead> the usb sockets don't have a fuse
[0:55] <[deXter]> maicod, I thought they removed the limitation of the USB fuses in the new model?
[0:55] <maicod> ah but that is a bit of tampering and probably not for starters
[0:55] <[deXter]> or @ Tachyon` ^
[0:55] <Tachyon`> they do on the older ones but aye, recent 256s and all 512s have no usb fuses
[0:55] <chithead> the 700mA input fuse remains
[0:55] <maicod> dexter: if u got a new model its different
[0:55] <[deXter]> yeah I have the new one
[0:55] <maicod> ok
[0:56] <rikkib> My setup goes.... 12v power supply -> 2.5A fuse -> 2A avg DC - DC converter -> 1.1A polyfuse -> RPi
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[0:56] <maicod> I would still opt for a hub since 2 usb ports is not enough for most Pi users
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[0:57] <rikkib> 2A avg DC - DC converter -> 1.1A polyfuse -> STM32V
[0:57] <rikkib> 2A avg DC - DC converter -> 4 relays
[0:57] <maicod> rikkib: thats a setup for electronics ppl :)
[0:57] <rikkib> Yes
[0:57] <maicod> heh
[0:58] <[deXter]> chithead, you mean to say I could power the Pi through one of the USB-A ports, while the other one could be connected to a keyboard/mouse or we and it would work? O.o
[0:58] <rikkib> Once I get my needs sorted I will be making a prototype circuit board by hand
[0:59] <maicod> rikkib: u can become rich by selling them :)
[0:59] <rikkib> No... By selling the full system
[0:59] <maicod> oh a 'ready to cook' Pi :)
[1:00] <bircoe> what chithead meant to say was the USB socks NOW don't have a fuse... but they used to.
[1:00] <maicod> cased etc ;)
[1:00] <rikkib> Security systems
[1:00] <maicod> ah I see
[1:00] <rikkib> vid/audio
[1:00] <rikkib> access control
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[1:01] <maicod> anyone with wheezy can do a apt-cache search memtest for me ?
[1:01] <chithead> [deXter]: yes. but be careful, you are not protected from power surge or other badness that way
[1:01] <maicod> I don;t mean memtester but memtest
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[1:02] <chithead> you probably want the kernel's memtester
[1:02] <bircoe> memtest is an x86 only application
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[1:02] <maicod> bircoe: I mean this one https://github.com/mturquette/memtest
[1:03] <maicod> chithead:memtester I tried but I prefer another memtester
[1:03] <bircoe> ahhh not the real memtest :)
[1:03] <maicod> nope not the x86 one :P
[1:03] <maicod> bircoe: is there a package for the version I showed ya ?
[1:03] <bircoe> just download it via git and compile
[1:03] <maicod> otherwise I need to compile it :)
[1:04] <bircoe> it looks pretty light
[1:04] <Blu3Knight> There are 2 memtest ??? 86 and 86+ both of them have problems on arm
[1:04] <bircoe> shouldn't take long
[1:04] <maicod> ok git clone ... ?
[1:04] <bircoe> yeah
[1:04] <maicod> ok :)
[1:04] <Armand> rikkib, just reading your power line there...
[1:04] <bircoe> once it's down cd to dir
[1:04] <bircoe> and compile :)
[1:04] <maicod> Blu3Knight: the one https://github.com/mturquette/memtest is different >
[1:04] <maicod> ?
[1:05] <maicod> ok bircoe :)
[1:05] <maicod> will it compile on arch?
[1:05] <bircoe> but you probably knew that right...
[1:05] <Armand> I'm using a 12v source (solar regulator), so.. I could do pretty much the same, except I don't have the parts to use polyfuse.
[1:05] <maicod> well wasnt sure about how to get it from git
[1:05] <maicod> if git clone was right way
[1:06] <bircoe> assuming you can meet all the dependancy's and theres nothing ARM wise that will break the compile
[1:06] <maicod> oh well we'll see
[1:06] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Yes "git clone git://github.com/mturquette/memtest
[1:06] <maicod> thanks Blu3Knight
[1:07] <maicod> I didnt use git much . only once and I just copied the instructions (commands) to my Pi
[1:07] <Blu3Knight> maicod: What are you trying to do though?
[1:07] <Blu3Knight> Maybe there are better options
[1:07] <rikkib> Although I would like to power the RPi with two header pins I do not think that is a great idea. I will spend the extra few dollars and cut a short usb - power cable in half.
[1:08] <maicod> Blu3Knight: just trying to be able to use the memtest of that url I just pasted
[1:08] <chithead> some external 2.5" sata usb enclosures ship with a cable that has 3 usb plugs. 2 usb-a and 1 usb mini or micro b. that should work just fine
[1:08] <Blu3Knight> You trying to test memory?
[1:08] <maicod> but I thought arch leaves more free memory so the test program can test more of the 256MB
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[1:08] <maicod> yeah
[1:09] <maicod> trying to see if the Pi is sane :)
[1:09] <Armand> rikkib, I really don't have spare USB cables to chop.. and, I already bought the LV regs.
[1:09] <Blu3Knight> Try memtester - http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/ it works under arm
[1:11] <maicod> Blu3Knight: yeah I used it but I prefer a different memorytest program. but ok i could use it ofc
[1:11] <maicod> how can I free up more memory so the memory it tests is as large as possible ?
[1:11] <maicod> I tried setting gpu_mem=16 but the pi doesnt boot
[1:11] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Change the video memory split?
[1:12] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Disable all services running (what distro you using)?
[1:12] <maicod> wheezy at the moment
[1:12] <maicod> but I could use arch too
[1:13] <cyclick> Can the Raspberry pi handle a usb HD that is USB powered?
[1:13] <cyclick> (the 512mb)
[1:13] <Blu3Knight> Have you tried running simple vmstat?
[1:14] <maicod> Blu3Knight: is it suspicious that the Pi won't boot at 16 GPU mem?
[1:14] <maicod> no
[1:14] <maicod> vmstat tests memory?
[1:14] <Blu3Knight> vmstat will gig you a breakdown of use simply, it is built in to the system as well.
[1:15] <maicod> ok will try it once I restored my wheezy image
[1:15] <maicod> I will now try to use memtester on arch or even compile the https://github.com/mturquette/memtest one
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[1:21] <maicod> memtester is now testing 196MB
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[1:24] <Blu3Knight> Anyone know of a affordable web host that will allow storage of operating system and files? I should be finished with the Gentoo Raspberry Pi build and BinHost but my host will not allow it.
[1:24] <maicod> entertain me while waiting for boring memtesting :)
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[1:26] <bbond007> maicod, i got that vga adapter and it worked great
[1:26] <bircoe> this should entertain you:
[1:26] <bircoe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os87PLlyU4k
[1:26] <maicod> bbond: cool !!!!!
[1:26] <bbond007> now i can have my rasp pi on my kvm at work
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[1:30] <maicod> LOL nice ipad spoof :)
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[1:30] <bircoe> its the future... at least till May.
[1:30] <maicod> heheh
[1:31] <maicod> does it really have NO cameras ?
[1:31] <bbond007> the adapter came in fake apple packaging
[1:31] <maicod> bbond007: what was the price again?
[1:31] <bbond007> $15 shipped
[1:31] <maicod> bbond007: I did see the housing was apple white indeed :) as fake as it can be ofc :)
[1:31] <maicod> ok sounds nice
[1:32] <maicod> so the Pi can hookup to a VGA monitor fine ?
[1:32] <bbond007> the picture quality looks good
[1:32] <maicod> cool what resolution?
[1:32] <bircoe> maicod, it has a front camera and a rear 5mp camera...
[1:32] <maicod> oh but worse resolutions then I guess
[1:32] <bbond007> i did 1920 but i would assume other resolutions would work
[1:32] <bircoe> they're jus tpoking fun at the fact they stepped down from 8mp in the rest of the line up
[1:32] <maicod> bbond007: ok :)
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[1:33] <maicod> ah I see a
[1:33] <maicod> they use the old A5 and NO retina display
[1:33] <bircoe> heheh
[1:33] <bircoe> I love that clip
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[1:33] <maicod> yeah its cool
[1:33] * maicod has NO apple products
[1:33] <maicod> bbond007: I might order it too
[1:34] <bircoe> my wife has iPhone 4s, iPad 1 and an iMac
[1:34] <bircoe> I'm either ANdroid or Linux on all my devices
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[1:34] <maicod> I got android on my tablet
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[1:34] <maicod> asus transformer tf101
[1:34] <bbond007> i have a early 2009 mac mini and i upped the ram to 8 gig and replaced the DVD with another HD and the HD with a SSD, installed a win8 paitition... works great
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[1:35] <bircoe> I broke my TF101 :/
[1:35] <maicod> oh ?
[1:35] <bircoe> replaced it with Nexu 7
[1:35] <maicod> you flashed it ?
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[1:35] <maicod> mine has B50 serial and can be repaired over nvflash
[1:35] <bircoe> no... it traveled across a room at a rapid rate and colided with tiles, shattered and ended up shaped like a banana!
[1:35] <maicod> gee
[1:35] <bircoe> mine was b50 as well
[1:35] <maicod> who did throw it ?
[1:36] <maicod> ms. bircoe ?
[1:36] <bircoe> me n the wife got into a big fight and i had it in my hands... than all of a sudden i didnt!
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[1:36] <maicod> :(
[1:36] <bircoe> these things happen
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[1:36] * maicod has no wife so no risk :P
[1:36] <bircoe> besides i was getting anoyed with Tegra 2's inability to play 720p media
[1:36] <maicod> me too
[1:37] <bircoe> such a capable SoC, till you throw HD video at it, then it falls in a steaming heap
[1:37] <maicod> bircoe: the weird thing is that the galaxy tab2 10.1 has tegra2 and same memory amount and CAN play 720P fine
[1:37] <bircoe> hmmm
[1:37] <maicod> weird huh
[1:37] <bircoe> yeah
[1:37] <maicod> my sister has one
[1:38] <bircoe> super happy with the Tegra 3 in the Nexus tho
[1:38] <bircoe> it owns the TF101
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[1:38] <maicod> I like the screen of the tf101 better though
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[1:38] <maicod> whats the price of the nexus 10.1 ?
[1:38] <bircoe> for my uses it's too big
[1:38] <bircoe> not sure
[1:38] <maicod> oh ok
[1:38] <maicod> model nr is ?
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[1:38] <maicod> i'll look it up
[1:39] <maicod> hows battery life and screen quality ?
[1:39] <bircoe> don't get me wrong if i wanted another 10" tablet it would be one of the TF line up
[1:39] <maicod> and sound quality
[1:39] <bircoe> pretty darn nice.
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[1:39] <bircoe> just google Nexus 7
[1:39] <maicod> oh not android ?
[1:39] <bircoe> it is Android :)
[1:39] <maicod> ok I got confusd
[1:39] <bircoe> Jelly Bean
[1:39] <maicod> confused :)
[1:39] <maicod> nexus 7 then
[1:40] <maicod> I didnt upgrade to 4.1 on the TF101
[1:40] <[deXter]> Speaking of Jelly Bean.. I wonder if the Android on the RPi made any progress..
[1:40] <maicod> dunno if it will work :)
[1:40] <bircoe> http://www.google.com.au/nexus/7/
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[1:40] <maicod> is there a nexus 10 >
[1:40] <maicod> ?
[1:40] <bircoe> not yet
[1:40] <maicod> oh ok
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[1:41] <bircoe> rumor has it they were going to anounce it on the 29th till their event was cancelled due to Hurricane Sandy
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> there are hundreds of thousands of them on boats from chia
[1:41] <maicod> hehe
[1:41] <maicod> yeah Sandy was bad stuff :(
[1:41] <bircoe> Google throw in some nice bonus's for buying Nexus devices tho...
[1:42] <maicod> you sound like a seller :))))
[1:42] <bircoe> I got Transformers Rise of the Fallen on the Play Store for free and $25 of PLay Store credit.
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> I have 15 quid. credit
[1:42] <bircoe> just happy with my purchase :)
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[1:42] <SpeedEvil> I've used 3.90
[1:42] <maicod> heheh its ok
[1:42] <maicod> cool /me is gonna try find rise of the fallen 'somewhere' :)
[1:42] <bircoe> My phone is a Samsung Galaxy S3 4G....
[1:43] <bircoe> I'm super happy with it and you should buy one :)
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[1:43] * maicod is very old fashioned with his phone :)
[1:43] <bircoe> oh wait... that's the oppisite of how i feel!
[1:43] <maicod> not happy?
[1:43] <bircoe> it's crap!
[1:43] * maicod is used to 10 inch
[1:43] <bircoe> went from HTC One X to this.
[1:44] <bircoe> the One X is way better than this crap
[1:44] * maicod is confused now
[1:44] <maicod> you dont like your Samsung ?
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[1:45] <bircoe> no i don't!
[1:45] <maicod> too much plastic ?
[1:45] <maicod> I heard thats a complaint
[1:46] <bircoe> battery life is woeful, TouchWiz is garbage, the carrier have locked down soem silly features
[1:46] <maicod> :(
[1:46] <bircoe> i can live with the plasticy feel
[1:46] <maicod> ok
[1:46] <maicod> you can get a rubberized backside to clamp onto it
[1:46] <bircoe> I had a Galaxy S and the build and materials is very similar
[1:46] <bircoe> never looked
[1:46] <maicod> I've felt such a backcover
[1:46] <maicod> it feels nice
[1:47] <maicod> the S3 doesnt slip from yer hands
[1:47] <maicod> I find the amoled colours so superstrong (a bit unrealistic)
[1:47] <bircoe> the carrier have locked down some silly things, like the ability to move around the dock icons on the launcher
[1:47] <bircoe> and auto rotate is disabled in the gallery...
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[1:48] <bircoe> also no share by gmail in the gallery
[1:48] <maicod> you've probably got it for cheaper cause of the simlock
[1:48] <maicod> and the telcoware
[1:48] <bircoe> look whats on Googles website
[1:48] <bircoe> http://www.google.com.au/nexus/10/
[1:49] <bircoe> 2560-by-1600 (300ppi) display!!!!
[1:49] <maicod> cool :)
[1:49] <maicod> wow
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[1:49] <maicod> bircoe lives in ozzyland I see
[1:49] <bircoe> indeed
[1:49] <maicod> heheh
[1:50] <maicod> a land far far awat
[1:50] <tzarc> you're living in the past man
[1:50] <maicod> away
[1:50] <maicod> hehe you mean australia is always ahead in time zone ?
[1:50] <tzarc> for the most part, yeah
[1:51] <maicod> :)
[1:51] <tzarc> if you're in the western pacific, maybe not :P
[1:51] <maicod> I'm in western-eiurope
[1:51] <maicod> europe
[1:51] <maicod> so our times are later than in america :)
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[1:52] <maicod> GMT+
[1:52] <maicod> 1
[1:52] <maicod> Apparaten zijn in uw land helaas nog niet beschikbaar in Google Play.
[1:52] <maicod> We proberen apparaten zo snel mogelijk in meer landen aan te bieden.
[1:52] <maicod> Kom binnenkort nog eens terug.
[1:52] <maicod> it means its not available in MY country
[1:52] <maicod> :(
[1:52] <maicod> the nexus 10
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[1:53] <SpeedEvil> :-(
[1:53] <maicod> cause its too new I guess
[1:53] <maicod> that was Dutch :)
[1:54] <maicod> loop1 of memtester is still running
[1:54] <maicod> so far it says ok,ok,ok
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> do you get the nexus 7 in store? 4?
[1:55] <maicod> 4?
[1:56] <SpeedEvil> nexus 4
[1:56] <maicod> 7: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/314488/google-nexus-7-16gb-zwart.html
[1:56] <maicod> yea
[1:56] <bircoe> I paid $269 au for my 16gb model
[1:56] <maicod> I dont see Nexus 4
[1:56] <maicod> so not available
[1:57] <bircoe> I do :)
[1:57] <bircoe> sucks to be in the past!
[1:57] <maicod> haha
[1:57] <bircoe> or am i in the future?
[1:58] <maicod> your closer to asia
[1:58] <maicod> thats probably it
[1:59] <bircoe> we still get stuff last!
[1:59] <maicod> oh
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[2:01] <maicod> 'Fewer fans line up for iPad Mini' LOL
[2:01] <bircoe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8zEJuf6CtI&list=UUiC9uvJxy0Ax5-jcd5QDkmA&index=2&feature=plcp
[2:01] <bircoe> LOL love it!
[2:02] <maicod> loop 1 is ready !
[2:02] <maicod> no errors
[2:03] <maicod> the memory problem is probably in the 'non-free' space :)
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[2:05] <maicod> bircoe: it is probably late afternoon out there /
[2:05] <maicod> ?
[2:05] <bircoe> nope, 4 minutes after noon
[2:05] <maicod> oh even earlier
[2:06] <maicod> oops later
[2:06] <bircoe> earlier :P
[2:06] <maicod> huh australia time is ahead of europe time isnt it ?
[2:06] <bircoe> yeah
[2:06] <maicod> ok :)
[2:06] <bircoe> oh
[2:06] <bircoe> got ya
[2:06] <maicod> heh
[2:07] <tzarc> midday on the 3rd
[2:07] <maicod> its 2 am here
[2:07] <tzarc> on the east coast
[2:07] <tzarc> well, southeast, qld doesn't do daylight savings
[2:07] <maicod> november 3rd has only started 2 hours here
[2:07] <maicod> daylight savings are switched off here atm
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[2:08] <tzarc> finally, msvc has variadic templates
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[2:09] <maicod> tzarc: you in australia too?
[2:09] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-video/blob/master/tutorial/tutorial-2.js
[2:09] <tzarc> yup
[2:09] <maicod> ah rite
[2:09] <Cheery> I wonder whether I should take picture of this one.. yet
[2:09] <Cheery> camera's nowhere in sight though
[2:11] <maicod> bbond007: it is only delivered to the USA :(
[2:11] <Cheery> I need a better name for this library.
[2:13] <bbond007> maicod, i thought it showed it shipped from china... strange
[2:13] <maicod> bbond007:http://www.ebay.nl/itm/160907657451?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[2:13] <maicod> this is the item huh?
[2:13] <maicod> http://www.ebay.nl/itm/160907657451?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[2:13] <maicod> it wasnt clickable
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[2:15] <bbond007> yeah, thats the one.... you are right it came from st. louis, that was a usb hub that came from china...
[2:15] * maicod wonders why they don't ship abroad
[2:16] <maicod> they could charge more for that ofc
[2:16] <maicod> I can email the seller
[2:16] <Cheery> anyone sane alive here?
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[2:16] <bbond007> no, actually now there are a lot of things with cheap or free shipping from china to usa
[2:16] <Cheery> I need a library name.
[2:17] <bbond007> i think you could get it from another vendor, i even saw one with analog audio out
[2:17] <maicod> ok
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[2:18] <bbond007> the analog audio one would get around the clicky headphone audio maybe
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[2:18] <maicod> maybe this one ? http://www.ebay.nl/itm/HDMI-Male-to-VGA-RGB-Female-HDMI-to-VGA-Video-Converter-adapter-1080P-for-PC-/330792751474?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d04c8d172
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[2:18] <bbond007> i think the most important thing is "Suitable for almost all HDMI output and VGA input connection" which means its an active converter
[2:19] <somethinginteres> I don't know much at all about electronics so I am going to ask a silly question. Can I use a 5.6V charger for the Pi or will it make bad things happen?
[2:19] <maicod> yeah thats important
[2:19] <bbond007> somethinginteres, prolly work but be more prone to overheating
[2:20] <bbond007> oh, yeah, i like the black color better
[2:20] <bircoe> is this a measured 5.6 volts or rated 5.6 volts?
[2:20] <maicod> bbond: hehe
[2:21] <maicod> bbond007: so far I can't seem to find the ones with analog audio out
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[2:21] <xci> Does any of you guys know any prebuilt light sensor to be used with raspi? I want to build a system where I would morse information with light to the computer (so the sensor would have to be quick to update its measurement), and would rather not build my own chip (I am a noob with electronics).
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[2:22] <bircoe> check adafruit, sparkfun, dfr
[2:22] <somethinginteres> bircoe: rated
[2:22] <bbond007> maicod, yeah, when i used your .nl ebay i did not see the one with audio either,,,
[2:22] <maicod> bbond007: oh maybe its not for sale to europe customers
[2:22] <bircoe> somethinginteres, I'd be careful with that, no load that supply would most likely be over 6 volts
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[2:23] <bbond007> i'm looking for it on the us one so at least you have an idea what it looks like :)
[2:23] <bircoe> but then again if it's of average quality when loaded up it should drop closer to 5bolts
[2:23] <maicod> bbond007: you live in the US ?
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[2:23] <maicod> so I could try ebay.com then:)
[2:24] <bbond007> maicod, no, i'm in Miami, just south of the USA :)
[2:24] <bircoe> HAHAHA
[2:24] <maicod> maimi LOL
[2:24] <somethinginteres> bircoe: dang. I have a 4.5V but the connector doesn't fit. Everything else is over 5V.
[2:24] <maicod> thats IN usa :)
[2:24] <maicod> bbond007: a bit humid out there I guess :P
[2:25] <bircoe> depends on the time of the year :P
[2:25] <bbond007> not today, its in the one month long cool season
[2:25] <maicod> ah ok
[2:25] <maicod> oh 'winter'
[2:25] <maicod> here its almost winter
[2:25] <bbond007> it should be hot and raining for another 11 months soon enough
[2:26] <bbond007> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plug-play-HDMI-Cable-VGA-Audio-Converter-Adapter-HDMI-Input-VGA-Audio-Output-/121009992780?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D3187941633818414657%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121009992780%26
[2:26] <bbond007> thats the one i saw with audio
[2:26] <maicod> Ships to:
[2:26] <maicod> Worldwide
[2:26] <maicod> cool
[2:26] <maicod> I guess NL isnt exception :)
[2:26] <maicod> we're quite compatible LOL
[2:27] <somethinginteres> bircoe: found a 5V. Thanks for the advice.
[2:27] <maicod> thanks for the link
[2:27] <maicod> bbond007: its a bid item :(
[2:28] <bbond007> i wonder if dealextreme has them
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[2:29] <maicod> yeah
[2:29] <maicod> dunno :)
[2:29] <Blu3Knight> They do??? here you go
[2:30] <Blu3Knight> http://dx.com/p/hdmi-v1-4-male-to-vga-female-converter-adapter-cable-white-15cm-130458?item=12 $19.20
[2:30] <Blu3Knight> Cheaper one is $15
[2:30] <bbond007> see any with audio?
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[2:31] <bbond007> i'm still trying to get to the site, my internet is really crappy
[2:31] <maicod> Blu3Knight: cool
[2:31] <maicod> bbond007: always or just now ?
[2:31] <Blu3Knight> Here you go : http://dx.com/p/20-pin-displayport-male-to-vga-female-adapter-black-20776?item=8
[2:32] <bbond007> well its always 1.5mb but now it seems like its on the verge of going backwards.
[2:32] <maicod> bbond007: maybe time to switch ISP?
[2:32] <Blu3Knight> I have never been happier with my ISP ??? 75 Mb Down / 35 Mb Up
[2:33] <bircoe> 8mb :/
[2:33] <cyclick2> Can the Raspberry pi 512mb handle a usb HD that is USB powered or do I need a powered usb hub?
[2:33] <bbond007> yeah, i had a clear 4g wimax thing and that was nice... but when i bought my townhome i realized it did not work here...
[2:33] <Blu3Knight> cyclick2: Hub
[2:33] <bbond007> i think you'll need a hub
[2:33] <maicod> bbond007: ah :(
[2:33] <maicod> too much metal/concrete ?
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[2:34] <bbond007> but this is at&t dsl, and its cheap per month, but like now i have a torrent going, then there could be my dealextreme brand dsl modem...
[2:35] <somethinginteres> hmm, it's not turning on.... Got HDMI from the Pi to the TV but getting "no input signal" on the TV". Any way to check if it's on so I can work out if the problem is w/ the TV?
[2:35] <bbond007> no, just they don't have the coverage in this area as i'm almost in the everglades
[2:35] <bbond007> somethinginteres, does it have an SD card with OS?
[2:35] <maicod> bbond007: ah no crocks in yer yard ? :)
[2:35] <bircoe> somethinginteres, which of the LED's next to the USB port are on?
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[2:36] <bbond007> crocks never, gators maybe
[2:36] <somethinginteres> bbond007: the SD card is in a SD to USB adapter. Is that the problem?
[2:36] <maicod> bbond007: ehm meant those :)
[2:36] <maicod> bbond007: difference is the beak huh
[2:36] <bircoe> somethinginteres, won't work like that
[2:36] <bircoe> the SD card must be in the SD slot
[2:36] <somethinginteres> bircoe: OK
[2:37] <maicod> yeah it wont boot over usb
[2:37] <maicod> otherwise the Pi wouldve become more expensive :)
[2:37] <somethinginteres> bircoe: what exact type of SD? This one is a Micro.
[2:38] <bircoe> you can use micro, as long as it's in an adapter
[2:38] <maicod> bbond007: even seen a live gator out in the field ?
[2:38] <maicod> ever
[2:38] <somethinginteres> bircoe: Micro to normal SD adapter?
[2:38] <maicod> oops :)
[2:38] <bircoe> yes
[2:38] <maicod> scary ?
[2:38] <maicod> there must be dangerous snakes there too
[2:39] <somethinginteres> bircoe: I can't actually find anywhere that'd fit a normal SD card on the board. Where should I look?
[2:39] <maicod> on the backside
[2:39] <maicod> flip the board over
[2:39] <bbond007> i seen kids pulling on their tails at a gas station on allegator alley , i wanted to kill the parents...
[2:39] <bircoe> http://www.compwaresurplus.com/images/kingston-2gb-micro-sd.jpg
[2:39] <bircoe> http://computerlearnhow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pi8.jpg
[2:40] <bbond007> some dud on the news stepped on a coral snake... that was bad news for him.
[2:40] <bircoe> that's what the SD slot looks like
[2:40] <maicod> bbond007: those were probably 'uvenile gators ?
[2:40] <bbond007> and we have bugs
[2:40] <maicod> ah
[2:40] <somethinginteres> bircoe: got one of those. Flipped it over can't see anywhere. Umm, big black area?
[2:40] <Blu3Knight> Has anyone tried using the OS on external USB (Drive / Stick ) with the new Kernel?
[2:40] <maicod> juvenile gators
[2:40] <bircoe> somethinginteres, can you take a picture of the underside of your raspberry pi
[2:40] <Blu3Knight> somethinginteres: Look next to the power supply and flip the board over??? you will see the are where to put it in
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[2:41] <bbond007> no, it looked like a full size one to me... i thought it was really stupid, but the parents wanted a picture i guess and thought it was cute. its my understanding that those things have fast reflexes though
[2:41] <maicod> bbond007: did the dude survive ? yeah thats dangerous
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[2:42] <bbond007> yeah, it was just kids, maybe 5 and 6, they were reaching through a fence pulling on the gators tail. it was stupid...
[2:42] <maicod> yea
[2:42] <maicod> I would not have dared that
[2:43] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: And gator looked at them and said "hmmmm I think it is my mid day snack"
[2:43] <maicod> heheh
[2:43] <bircoe> I've held a gator tail before... at Phuckett Zoo!
[2:43] <bbond007> there are a lot of stupid people in florida, thats why fark has a florida tag
[2:43] <maicod> fark?
[2:43] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: I know??? I go to Florida quite often :)
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[2:45] <maicod> bbond007: here in NL its almost all cable internet and great speeds. I got 60/6
[2:46] <bbond007> then there was the guy that stoned on fake weed and ate the other guys face off...
[2:46] <maicod> the up could be better :)
[2:46] <maicod> geez
[2:46] <bbond007> florida is just really screwed uo
[2:46] <Blu3Knight> maicod: I am in NY ??? optics directly in to the house.
[2:46] <maicod> alot of amusement parks though :)
[2:46] <maicod> Blu3Knight: even better ;)
[2:47] <bircoe> i must have been in the right part of florida when i was there!
[2:47] <somethinginteres> bircoe, Blu3Knight: I think I found where the SD goes but still no luck getting the thing turned on. Sending picture now.
[2:47] <Blu3Knight> somethinginteres: When it turns on what lights do you have on it There are 4 lights
[2:47] <Blu3Knight> maicod: you over by Tampa?
[2:48] <bbond007> i went to Amsterdam NL for a european borland convention. got work to send me there instead of the same thing in san jose because it was cheaper :)
[2:48] <maicod> Blu3Knight: tampa ? I'm in europe (Netherlands)
[2:48] <somethinginteres> Blu3Knight: not seeing any lights on at all
[2:48] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Sorry ment bircoe
[2:48] <maicod> oh heheeh LOL
[2:49] <Blu3Knight> somethinginteres: What power supply are you using is it 5W / 1 Amp?
[2:49] <maicod> bbond007: amsterdam is not far from where I live
[2:49] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Amsterdam was fun when i was there.. too bad it was only 1 day
[2:49] <maicod> the boss paid for it ?
[2:50] <somethinginteres> Blu3Knight: it's got 5V 2A written on it
[2:50] <Blu3Knight> maicod: No was working and drove down from Colone Germany
[2:50] <maicod> bbond007: schiphol is a nice airport huh
[2:50] <maicod> ah OK
[2:50] <Blu3Knight> somethinginteres: it needs to be 5V - 1 Amp or at most I think 1.2 amp
[2:51] <bircoe> 2A is fine
[2:51] <bbond007> i liked it there and everyone spoke english to me, and it was interesting to see people riding bikes while smoking cigs... interesting contrast... here you don't see that unless its a homeless person
[2:51] <maicod> 2A is more so thats fine inded
[2:51] <maicod> indeed
[2:51] <Blu3Knight> I stand corrected
[2:51] <maicod> bbond007: people are more distant in your place you mean ?
[2:51] <bbond007> bike rideres are really into health and smokers do their thing :)
[2:51] <maicod> yeah bikes are really everyday use here
[2:52] <bbond007> you don't see the combo :)
[2:52] <Blu3Knight> Bikes???. I think I have one of those
[2:52] <maicod> LOL
[2:52] <maicod> bbond007: did u like the airport ?
[2:53] <home> you guys
[2:53] <bbond007> the airport was really nice and i was able to find my way to the coffee shop near my hotel where i waited for my room... it was a LONG trip in and i was tired
[2:53] <home> seem busy
[2:53] <home> today
[2:53] <home> you guys seem bust today
[2:53] <home> busy*
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[2:54] <maicod> bbond007: yeah I realise most people coming here want to try out the smoking stuff too :)
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[2:54] <maicod> for me netherlands is just a nice country and nothing to do with the weed stuff . I don't use it ;0
[2:54] <somethinginteres> bircoe, Blu3Knight: OK, in that case, I'll send a photo
[2:54] <maicod> :)
[2:54] <bbond007> maicod, i though they got rid of that though?
[2:54] <bbond007> for tourists anyway
[2:55] <Blu3Knight> somethinginteres: No need for photo ??? are you getting any lights? Even the Red one?
[2:55] <somethinginteres> Blu3Knight: no
[2:56] <maicod> bbond007: ehm there's something called wietpas (pass needed for buying weeds) and its only for Dutch ppl that can get it. but its still an experiment in some cities and the new government is abandoning it. but you still need to show your passport so I'm not sure what tourists can or can'tdo
[2:56] <bircoe> then you have no power
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[2:56] <Blu3Knight> somethinginteres: Do you have another power supply that is 5V / 1 Amp or higher?
[2:57] <bbond007> and then there was this Scottish guy who was like "excuse me, does anyone speak english" and i should have known he wanted money because EVERYONE speaks english and they were ignoring him. he was nice though, just always trying to shake me down for money whenever he saw me,
[2:57] <maicod> somethinginteres: you used Win32DiskImager.exe to write the image you downloaded from the raspberrypi site to SDcard ?
[2:58] <maicod> bbond007: eheh yeah indeed almost everyone speaks english (be it better or worse)
[2:58] <bircoe> maicod, if he has no lights then there are other issues
[2:58] <maicod> oh he has no lights
[2:58] <maicod> didnt see that sory
[2:58] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: I am by-lingual ??? that when I change to the Native tongue .. and they have no clue what I am saying.
[2:58] <somethinginteres> maicod: I'm on Linux.Followed these instructions http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/os-x-linux-installation/ but yeah as Blu3Knight said, no lights at all
[2:59] <maicod> somethinginteres: go to this site : http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[3:00] <Blu3Knight> somethinginteres: I just do it manually.
[3:00] <maicod> the one you following is not for the Pi
[3:00] <bbond007> he was useful for information... just my ATM card cancelled because of all these numbers that got stolen from mastercard, and i only had $200 USD on me for the entire week and could not get more money, so i had to avoid his high priced info
[3:00] <bircoe> somethinginteres, start with the basics, if you have no lights your pi is not getting pwoered up at all
[3:00] <bircoe> try a different power supply
[3:01] <Blu3Knight> Go to the site that maicod gave you then follow the instructions here - http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[3:01] <maicod> bbond007: heheh good that he was friendly to you but always beware in a foreign country (as a 'tourist') for people that you see on the streets etc
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[3:01] <Blu3Knight> bircoe: is correct though??? even if you have no card in the slot ??? the Red light should go on??? that is for the power
[3:02] <bbond007> but i was that was his scam "excuse me, does anyone speak english.." then when you try to help the guy he shakes you down for money. i saw him doing that all around town. honestly it was refreshing. homeless people here are far less interesting and don't really work that hard :)
[3:02] <bircoe> see these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spw82/7179359077/
[3:02] <bircoe> at the very minimum when you plug in power the PWR LED will come on regardless of the state of the SD card
[3:02] <maicod> bbond007: heheh
[3:03] <somethinginteres> bircoe: OK got power. Started w/ red light now an orange glow but still no input signal on the TV.
[3:03] <bircoe> if you don't get the PWR LED on then you have power issues
[3:03] <maicod> bbond007: its a nice little country out here with many ppl (16 million)
[3:03] <bircoe> what abotu the OK light?
[3:04] <bircoe> OK indicates the SD card is inserted
[3:04] <bbond007> one guy last week hit me up as i was comming out of the walgreens. said he ran out of gas and needed money, and i was like "ok, where is your car..."
[3:04] <maicod> LOL
[3:04] <somethinginteres> bircoe: flashing green every few seconds
[3:04] <maicod> walmart ?
[3:04] <bbond007> no car, no gas money from me...
[3:04] <maicod> walgreen is ?
[3:04] <maicod> indeed
[3:04] <bbond007> its like a drug store
[3:04] <bircoe> that means theres a problem with the SD card
[3:04] <maicod> ah OK
[3:04] <bircoe> probably a firmware/boot loader issue
[3:05] <maicod> for the non prescription stuff eh ?
[3:05] <bircoe> do you want to use XBMC?
[3:05] <somethinginteres> bircoe: yeah.
[3:05] <bircoe> use OpenELEC instead...
[3:05] <bircoe> download thisL
[3:05] <bircoe> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20121101072543-r12350.tar.bz2
[3:05] <bbond007> no. i get perscription stuff there.. stuff for my high bp...
[3:05] <bircoe> put your SD card back in your computer
[3:05] <maicod> bircoe: will it run on top of wheezy ?
[3:05] <bircoe> and reflash
[3:05] <[deXter]> OpenElec ftw.
[3:06] <[deXter]> However, I see that the CPU usage is very high even though it's doing nothing.. is that normal?
[3:06] <bircoe> no itwont
[3:06] <somethinginteres> bircoe: OK. will get back to you
[3:06] <bircoe> [deXter], yeah it is
[3:06] <maicod> bircoe: oh inside the .tar.bz2 is a .img ?
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[3:06] <maicod> it looked like a tarball to me :)
[3:06] <bircoe> no inside the tar.bz2 is the install files :)
[3:07] <maicod> oh but how does one install it then?
[3:07] <bircoe> you extract it and run a script called create_sdcard and it sets up the card appropriately
[3:07] <maicod> when the Pi is booted ?
[3:07] <[deXter]> cd to the folder and ./create_sdcard
[3:07] <bircoe> insert the card in the Pi and power on
[3:07] <maicod> ooooooooooooooooooooh
[3:07] <bircoe> and your done
[3:07] <maicod> ok:)
[3:07] <maicod> it probably includes a image file then too
[3:07] <bbond007> gulf coast cats get tarballs
[3:07] <maicod> or tarball
[3:07] <bircoe> no image
[3:07] <[deXter]> lol bbond007
[3:07] <bircoe> well sort of
[3:07] <maicod> ok :)
[3:08] <bircoe> it has a SYSTEM file which is a squashfs image
[3:08] <maicod> ok
[3:08] <maicod> i'll try it
[3:08] <maicod> not now though
[3:08] <bircoe> one of the dev's stalks here
[3:08] <bbond007> maicod, what i liked about the city of Amsterdam was how the buildings seem larger up top... thats strange
[3:08] <bircoe> sraue is the main RPi OpenELEC dev
[3:08] <maicod> with try I don't mean that I doubt I will succeed installing it :)
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[3:09] <bircoe> maicod, if you run the script your cant fail :)
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[3:09] <maicod> bircoe: and I ain't a beginner so......... :)
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[3:09] <bbond007> or maybe that was the effects from the coffee shop
[3:09] <bircoe> it's super simple... cd into the folder after extracting the image
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[3:10] <maicod> bbond007: you mean old age housing ?
[3:10] <bircoe> if your sd card is /dev/sdg then you'd run the script like ./create_sdcard /dev/sdg
[3:10] <maicod> ok bircoe hehe
[3:10] <bircoe> 3 minutes later it's done and you put the card in the Pi and wait for it to boot
[3:10] <home> EW
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[3:10] <bbond007> no, just like in the city, most of the buildings seem larger on the upper levels. like you are looking through a strange lense
[3:10] <maicod> bircoe: so it needs to be installed from a linux distro (not windows) huh?
[3:11] <bircoe> yeah
[3:11] <maicod> I use windows normally :)
[3:11] <maicod> but I got dualboot
[3:11] <bircoe> ewwww
[3:11] <bbond007> they hang over the sidewalk
[3:11] <maicod> ubuntu too
[3:11] <maicod> hehe
[3:11] <bircoe> i wish the Ubuntu team would get their act together...
[3:11] <maicod> bbond007: OK I don't understand that but maybe its cause I am used to it
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[3:12] <maicod> you mean ditch unity ?
[3:12] <bbond007> the Scott told me its because they were taxed by sq/ft at the base, so its free space
[3:12] <bircoe> no just stop with the bugs in LTS releases
[3:12] <maicod> oh
[3:12] <chithead> if you don't like unity, just install another desktop environment
[3:12] <Tachyon`> you can easily be rid of unity, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-deskto
[3:12] <Tachyon`> p
[3:12] <bircoe> i know you can
[3:12] <bbond007> sq/meter i guess, you have the stupid metric system :)
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[3:12] <bircoe> and I was using gnome classic
[3:12] <maicod> bircoe: I tried in vain to remove the f10 gives a right mouse click . I tried all the tricks there are on the web
[3:13] <maicod> bircoe: if I exit mc with f10 I get a right mouse click
[3:13] <bircoe> now switched to Linux Mint with Cinnamon
[3:13] * bbond007 hates the metric system
[3:13] <bircoe> but I think I'll go to Fedora 17 now.
[3:13] <maicod> it displays the right mouse click menu
[3:13] <chithead> maicod: this is a bug in gnome-terminal and xkeyboard-config
[3:13] <bircoe> nice one
[3:13] <maicod> bbond007: I like it ;P
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[3:13] <bircoe> metric rules!
[3:13] <maicod> chithead: aha
[3:14] <maicod> yeah it does ;)
[3:14] <chithead> maicod: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45008 upgrade to gtk+-3.6.0 and xkeyboard-config-2.7 and the problem will go away
[3:14] * maicod never understood what a lbs is :)
[3:14] <maicod> ok thanks chithead
[3:14] <bbond007> not really. i like my house 77 degrees... not 35.734 or whatever :)
[3:15] <bircoe> 35 is fkn hot in a house !!!
[3:15] <chithead> ah wait, ubuntu calls that package xkb-data not xkeyboard-config
[3:15] <maicod> chithead: cool ! I got 12.04 installed. will it work on that one ?
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[3:15] <Blu3Knight> I actually like metric for measurement, when I was building my case for the Pi, I tried using /16's / 32's and then just went to mm and it was so much easier when dealing with precise stuff
[3:15] <bircoe> my house is usually at 20c which is 68f
[3:16] <bbond007> way too cold
[3:16] <bircoe> 20 is just right!
[3:16] <maicod> Blu3Knight: yeah cause metres use decimal multiplications (10mm=1cm. 100cm=1m)
[3:17] <chithead> maicod: the rest of the system won't matter, only these two packages
[3:17] <maicod> I prefer 20 celcius
[3:17] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Yep???.
[3:17] <maicod> chithead: ok cool !
[3:17] <bbond007> first off, it would not be cost effective to have my house at that temp, second off, anything under 75 is too cold :)
[3:17] <maicod> hehe
[3:17] <maicod> you chicken LOL
[3:18] <bircoe> it's not really cost effective to keep a house at 24c (75f) either!
[3:18] <bbond007> this foreclosure townhome just i bought, i have to run at 78 now because the AC is on its last leg
[3:18] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: But you are in Florida ??? where the Temp is anywhere from 70-100 all the time.
[3:19] <maicod> I don't like fahrenheits :)
[3:19] <maicod> celcius is easier cause 0=freezing point
[3:19] <Blu3Knight> accept for the severe times when your temp dips down to the 30's for one day??? usually when I take my kids to Disney in winter.
[3:19] <bbond007> orlando is a lot colder than here
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[3:19] <bbond007> i hate orlando though
[3:20] <maicod> chithead: I noted it all down and will certainly try it out !
[3:20] <maicod> orlando is near the Nasa base ?
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[3:20] <bircoe> I'm used to cold here... gets in the -5 region in winter, but Ney York in winter was a shock to the system!
[3:20] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: I hate it as well??? but I have kids.
[3:20] <bbond007> that is merrit island... i just went there...
[3:21] <bbond007> tat was really neat to tour
[3:21] <Blu3Knight> maicod: Yes??? cape canaveral is an hour or two away
[3:21] <maicod> okay cool cause I like space flight stuff
[3:21] <Blu3Knight> bircoe: Welcome to my world
[3:21] <bbond007> yeah, you should se that apollo rocket they have in there... wow
[3:22] <maicod> humongous ?
[3:22] <bircoe> I took a cruise from port canaveral once, on the way out to see a shuttle went up! was the best sight ever!
[3:22] <bircoe> see = sea
[3:22] <maicod> yeah poor shuttles theyre not here anymore
[3:22] <bbond007> i tried to watch the shuttle go up a few times but because its a 2.5 hour drive, i missed my window when they missed theirs.
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[3:23] <maicod> yeah you never know if they really launch at a certain planned time
[3:23] <maicod> but its over now :(
[3:23] <maicod> elon musk is doing it now :)
[3:23] <bbond007> that whole area, coco beach, the kennedy space center area, vero beach is really nice. thats where i like to go on small vacations
[3:23] <maicod> bbond007: is kennedy space centre a kind of military base ?
[3:24] <maicod> cause I heard Nasa is in fact part of the military huh
[3:24] <bbond007> i did not see much military stuff if any there...
[3:24] <maicod> ok
[3:24] <maicod> but ofcourse there's security
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[3:25] <bbond007> i did not see much security.,. i'd imagine its different on launch day
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[3:26] <Blu3Knight> Nasa is shut down or as good as being shut down anyway
[3:26] <maicod> yeah I've seen security around the astrovan when the astronauts were going to drive to the launchpad
[3:26] <maicod> I mean I saw it on tv
[3:26] <maicod> ah ok
[3:26] <Blu3Knight> Besides most of the NASA stuff is not there
[3:26] <bbond007> who knows... i'd like to move up to that area and leave miami for good, but i think there are a lot of out of work nasa people who are really smart, and i'd have to compete in the job market with those ppl...
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[3:27] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: You in Miami?
[3:27] <bbond007> yeah.
[3:27] <maicod> bbond007: so miami is better to find a job?
[3:27] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: Thats where I go at least 2 to 3 times a year for vacation. My Best friend has an apartment there so its free for me.
[3:27] <bbond007> well, pembroke pines, i would never live in miami :)
[3:27] <maicod> Blu3Knight: yeah I know Nasa stuff is in Houston
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[3:28] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: BTW ??? over by that part of Florida you get RAINSTORMS of Bugs (june bugs).
[3:28] <Blu3Knight> I had a rental car there once ??? and by the time I brought it back to Orlando (for work), it was black (the car was grey when I started out)
[3:28] * maicod would be scared for Lyme disease
[3:29] <bbond007> maicod, I think its better than treasure coast area, but miami is not a good place for computer programmers... i just have had the same job for 10 years...
[3:29] <Blu3Knight> bbond007: Terramark / Verizon is still hiring over there :)
[3:29] <maicod> bbond007: ah still going strong with that job ?
[3:29] <bbond007> Blu3Knight, the worst of the worst things are these things called noseeums(sp?)
[3:30] <Blu3Knight> I just tried working with nginx on the Pi??? sorry but that is like going to the Dentist???. going to Apache
[3:30] <bbond007> they are like a mosquito so small you can't see them, but they leave bites that are far worse than any mosquito
[3:31] <maicod> Blu3Knight: nginx runs fine here
[3:31] <Blu3Knight> maicod: it was the config???. and then I read that there is no directory controls for permissions ....
[3:31] <maicod> ah OK
[3:32] <maicod> try lighttpd ?
[3:32] <Blu3Knight> No Apache should be fine
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[3:32] <maicod> ok hope it doesnt use too many resources
[3:32] <Blu3Knight> I am getting 2 Pi's with 512 in a few days??? will sub the 256 back in to the compiling role, and put the 512 in it splace
[3:33] <maicod> new fresh Pies Yummy :)
[3:36] <_deXter_> So, anyone here powering their board via GPIO?
[3:37] <bbond007> i had a prototype 1024MB Pi, but i left it in a bar....
[3:38] <bircoe> was your previous employer Apple? did you get sacked the first time?
[3:38] <bbond007> was a real bummer, because i had to go all the way to the future to get it...
[3:38] * MichaelC is now known as UKB|Sleep
[3:39] <maicod> ROFL
[3:40] <bbond007> no, they would not let me work for apple. they heard i told bill gates that 640K was plenty of ram for the future...
[3:40] <bircoe> LOL
[3:40] <maicod> heh
[3:40] <bircoe> did you also suggest that HP create a Tablet with their own OS?
[3:40] <Tachyon`> it would be if it were used effectively
[3:40] <bircoe> and that BlackBerry should make a tablet?
[3:41] <bbond007> i went to try and get one of those stupid playbooks and they were sold out...
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[3:42] <Tachyon`> blackberry is deader than a very dead thing
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[3:42] <bbond007> QNX is cool though
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[3:43] <Tachyon`> I remember getting a copy of that on a magazine
[3:43] <Tachyon`> on floppy
[3:43] <Tachyon`> making a big thing about the os/window manager/web browser all fitting on a disk
[3:45] <Syliss> hmm, i wonder how much i could get for my pi and lapdock
[3:45] <maicod> my Pi login. cute eh ? :) http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/screenshot101.jpg
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[3:47] <bbond007> maicod, only 192mb ram? that mist be one of those obsolete Pi's :)
[3:47] <maicod> its firstgen
[3:48] <bircoe> that's old school!
[3:48] <maicod> well it works fine :)
[3:48] <bircoe> I have 2 myself :)
[3:48] <maicod> I can't keep getting new ones :)
[3:48] <maicod> it costs money u know :)
[3:48] <maicod> u were teasing me :)
[3:49] <maicod> did u see my tux ? :)
[3:49] <maicod> its not made by me btw
[3:49] <bircoe> if this wern't $200 I'd be buying it
[3:49] <bircoe> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/kontron-ktt30-puts-tegra-3-on-a-miniitx-board-20120716/
[3:49] <bircoe> page won't load for me
[3:49] <maicod> photobucket ?
[3:49] <bircoe> yeah
[3:49] <maicod> oh
[3:49] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
[3:49] <maicod> weird
[3:50] <bircoe> Connection Lifetime Expired
[3:50] <maicod> its your crappy internet LOL
[3:50] <bircoe> that's the only sort we get in Australia
[3:50] <maicod> oh no that was bbond007's
[3:50] <maicod> ah LOL
[3:50] <maicod> netherlands is in the top10
[3:50] <bbond007> i have crappy dsl service, so i can afford a 512mb Pi
[3:50] <maicod> ah like that ;)
[3:51] <maicod> yeah dsl sucks. it relies on how far the phone central is
[3:51] <maicod> further is worse speed
[3:51] <maicod> here its 2KM
[3:52] <bircoe> I have an 8mb/1mb DSL service
[3:52] <bbond007> i save enough money over comcast cable to buy a new Pi every month :)
[3:52] <bircoe> connected via a RIM, it's congested as crap
[3:52] <maicod> why don't they just put 3GB in a Pi and up the CPU ;)
[3:52] <maicod> hahah bbond007: I pay 50 euro/month
[3:53] <Syliss> yeah comcast is expensive
[3:53] <bbond007> mine is like 1.5/128 or something really lame. but its $20 usd/month.
[3:53] <Syliss> I'm on att dsl cause its cheap
[3:53] <maicod> ah cheaper
[3:53] <bbond007> my iphone is actually faster
[3:53] <bircoe> yeah my Galaxy S3 4G gets 42mb/20mb!
[3:53] <Syliss> mine is 18 usd for 6mbit/768kbit
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[3:54] <bircoe> might have to order me an OUYA
[3:54] <bbond007> there is a new service by Joe Montana going in to this area called OMGFAST and its 50mb for $30
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[3:55] <bbond007> i don't know what technology it is going to use
[3:55] <_deXter_> Or you can build your own OUYA..
[3:55] <bircoe> where can i get a dev board that has a Tegra 3?
[3:55] <_deXter_> I'm sure someone's selling it
[3:56] <_deXter_> anyways you don't necessarily need a tegra 3 for gaming
[3:56] <bircoe> best i've found so far is this, but it's underclocked at 900mhz
[3:56] <bircoe> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geek.com%2Farticles%2Fchips%2Fkontron-ktt30-puts-tegra-3-on-a-miniitx-board-20120716%2F&ei=CIaUULXSMOqWiQfRxYHgBg&usg=AFQjCNG_oW66oBxCSJJJ0ugTsZo6Uxdd-Q&sig2=DavoH5XE9PM0ADlwWBk83g&cad=rja
[3:56] <maicod> I just have measure my internet speed. see http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/screenshot102.jpg
[3:56] <_deXter_> you could get this one as well bircoe (Exynos)
[3:57] <_deXter_> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931
[3:57] * SpeedEvil stabbinates _deXter_
[3:57] <_deXter_> That's the same sort of performance as an S3
[3:57] <bircoe> seen that one... but I'm a huge fan of the Tgra 4+1 core thing...
[3:57] <Syliss> if the ouya can keep the $99 price tag, it will be a nice box
[3:58] <bircoe> I have an S3 and liked the performance of my old One X more... and the S3 has twice the RAM!
[3:58] <maicod> did u see mu speeds ?
[3:58] <maicod> my
[3:58] <bbond007> at&t did tell me that i have a 180gb/month cap and that its an extra $10 if i go over, but i can't check my useage on their page, but i'm sure I am going over... because i never stop downloading.
[3:58] <bircoe> looking now
[3:58] <_deXter_> bircoe, Don't get confused with the slowness that's caused by TouchWiz. :P
[3:58] <_deXter_> put CM10 on it, and watch it fly :)
[3:59] <Syliss> i want the s3, but i still have a contract with my 4s
[3:59] <bircoe> well theres that :P
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[3:59] <bircoe> maicod, you are dead to me
[3:59] <bircoe> go away
[3:59] <maicod> haha
[3:59] * emusan (~emusan@ has left #raspberrypi
[3:59] * maicod feels live :)
[3:59] <bircoe> ps if i ditch the i1152. the URLs work for me...
[3:59] <_deXter_> maicod, That page isn't loading.. photobucket sucks!
[3:59] <bircoe> the log in screen is fun!
[3:59] <maicod> yeah stupid photobucket then
[4:00] <maicod> which is the best picture cloud site ?
[4:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2282617699.png
[4:00] <_deXter_> "Connection Lifetime Expired" "Footprint has terminated the request because it has exceeded the maximum connection lifetime."
[4:00] <maicod> cool speeds speedevil ;-)
[4:00] <maicod> dexter: sue 'em
[4:00] <_deXter_> lol
[4:01] <bircoe> dexter, remove the i1152. at the start of the URL
[4:01] <_deXter_> bircoe, That works like a charm! O.o
[4:01] <maicod> dexter: maybe your browsers timeout is too short ;)
[4:01] <_deXter_> What sort of sorcery is this?!
[4:01] <bircoe> heres all my connection can muster
[4:01] <bircoe> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2282619568.png
[4:02] <maicod> bircoe works for photobucket :)
[4:02] <Syliss> if googles next nexus is as cheap as the nexus 4 is next year, ill switch to it instead of iPhone 5s
[4:02] <_deXter_> okay, now to make everyone here jealous.. :)
[4:02] <maicod> bircoe: much better HAHAHA
[4:02] <bbond007> i still am on an iphone 4 and i'm not buying any more iphones.
[4:02] <maicod> omg that upload speed ;)
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm waiting for Jolla
[4:02] <Syliss> why bbond007 ?
[4:03] <bircoe> i know... it's supposed to be 1mb
[4:03] <SpeedEvil> hopefully...
[4:03] <bircoe> see that's all the punks around here torrenting!
[4:03] <_deXter_> http://i.imgur.com/keU5C.png (Note, this is via wifi, and two of my other flatmates are sharing it right now)
[4:03] <maicod> bircoe: minus the overhead
[4:03] <bircoe> dexter... you can die!
[4:03] <maicod> neat
[4:03] <bircoe> :P
[4:03] <maicod> dexter die :)
[4:03] <maicod> mine is lower :)
[4:04] <maicod> dexter never dies huh :) (the series)
[4:04] <maicod> dexter the serial killer
[4:04] <_deXter_> If I connect via ethernet and no one else is on, I get 98Mbps down and 9.8 up :)
[4:04] <_deXter_> heh
[4:04] <bircoe> I like that Speedtest believes I'm less than 50miles from Sydney while in reality I'm about 300kms
[4:04] <maicod> you like the series ?
[4:04] <_deXter_> yeah, it's the best :)
[4:04] <bircoe> love the series
[4:04] <maicod> it is !
[4:04] <maicod> me too
[4:04] <maicod> debra is coolest :)
[4:05] <maicod> I like her hair :P
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> bircoe: group
[4:05] <bbond007> ok, i though about it, i was looking up the geekbench score on something like my old macbook core duo(not core 2 duo) and it was the same as a iphone 5... so thats impressive... but when you think about it you are really getting screwed because you can't do anything with a iPhone... no local files, etc...
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> geoIP
[4:05] <maicod> speedevil: my ISP even tells the ppl in the world what city I live in
[4:05] <maicod> :*
[4:05] <maicod> :(
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> geoIP thinks I'm 400miles away in London
[4:06] <bircoe> LOL
[4:06] <_deXter_> anyways, I'm off folks, going to buy an LCD monitor for my RPi :)
[4:06] <maicod> is that a site ?
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> no
[4:06] <bircoe> it must be based on where my exchange connects to the backbone
[4:06] <maicod> dexter: with hdmi?
[4:06] <_deXter_> maicod, yeah
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> geoIP is a set of extensions to DNS
[4:06] <bbond007> so the power of a computer in your hand, but with artificial limitations...
[4:06] <maicod> okay I got this one dexter
[4:06] <maicod> :
[4:06] <maicod> HP x2301
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[4:06] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, is that full GEOIP or GEOLITE?
[4:06] <maicod> its a cool screen (its glossy though cause I prefer glossy )
[4:06] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[4:06] <plugwash> and afaict geoip has nothing to do with dns
[4:07] <_deXter_> maicod, 23" ?
[4:07] <maicod> yes
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cmw.me/?q=node/55
[4:07] <_deXter_> maicod, cool, that's the size I was looking for as well
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> on the topic of small computers
[4:07] <bircoe> I have a pair of older Dell 2005FPW's, old but nice
[4:07] <plugwash> it's just a database you can lookup IPs in (the geolite databases are free to download, the full geoip ones have to be paid for)
[4:07] <SpeedEvil> ah
[4:07] <maicod> dexter: its a very cool screen only thing is the power supply is outside of the monitor
[4:07] <maicod> but I LOVE IT
[4:08] <maicod> http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/hp-ultra-thin-x2301-monitor-16-05-2011/
[4:08] <_deXter_> maicod, cool, I prefer it that way
[4:08] <maicod> oh I dont :)
[4:08] <_deXter_> don't want to make the monitor hot and heavy, and I prefer keeping all PSUs in one place
[4:08] <maicod> dunno if the model is still out there
[4:08] <maicod> its not heavy at all !!!!!!!!
[4:08] <maicod> its very light
[4:08] <bircoe> SpeedEvil, the guy that wrote that article is smart!
[4:09] <plugwash> IIRC geolite is based mostly on whois data, so it will normally be where the IP assignment is registered to, geoip adds other data sources too so it's more accurate
[4:10] <maicod> dexter: the screen has a glossy surface and that makes pictures/videos wonderful and unless youre opposite of a window or lamp you dont have troubles
[4:10] <SpeedEvil> maicod: wear black
[4:10] <bbond007> i'm going to look at windows 8 phone this time
[4:10] <maicod> I found it very hard to find a glossy screen . most are matte
[4:11] <maicod> its weird cause all these tablets have glossy screens too
[4:11] <bbond007> everyone in the world hates windows8, except me, and i love it
[4:11] <maicod> I hate it :) not that I have any experience with it LOL
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[4:12] * maicod thinks microsoft thinks ppl don't need anything else than tablets anymore
[4:12] <maicod> the PC has died :)
[4:13] <maicod> dexter: u gone ?
[4:14] * maicod doesnt know how to compile something I got off github
[4:14] <maicod> how does that work ?
[4:14] <maicod> I can;t find configure
[4:14] <maicod> just type make ?
[4:16] <bbond007> i tried to get into programming android. i just hate java. I hate their stupid emulator that brings my i7 to its knees...
[4:16] <maicod> i7 is a mac ?
[4:17] <bbond007> no, toshiba quasimo notebook
[4:17] <maicod> oh and the emulator is running on what ?
[4:17] <maicod> windows ?
[4:18] <bbond007> the android emulator runs on windows or linux or mac. its just as slow on every platform.
[4:18] <bbond007> for that reason most people just use an actual device
[4:18] <maicod> even on a fast cpu ?
[4:19] <maicod> but can you program android-java on a android device ?
[4:19] <bbond007> well, this is only a 1.7 ghz i7, but even running 4x as fast it would be too slow
[4:19] <maicod> oh :(
[4:19] <maicod> I got something called bluestacks but its not for programming
[4:20] <maicod> it runs android stuff but not everything
[4:20] <maicod> and its not the normal apk files u can use
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[4:20] <bbond007> Apples simulator is actually much nicer. i think bluestacks works more like that...
[4:21] <maicod> ah
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[4:21] <maicod> but bluestacks is not really running android itsself
[4:21] <maicod> its just running the aps
[4:21] <maicod> apps
[4:21] <somethinginteres> bircoe: OK I've installed OpenElec onto the SD no errors said install finished but only getting red light nothing else, no input on TV again
[4:22] <bbond007> right, i doubt you could run the debugger against it
[4:22] <maicod> somethinginteres: u connected hdmi to a hdmi port on the tv ?
[4:22] <somethinginteres> maicod: yep
[4:22] <maicod> ok
[4:23] <maicod> bircoe: to be honest I would not have started with openelec but with raspbian wheezy
[4:23] <bbond007> i installed riscos last night... interesting...
[4:24] <bircoe> well either one just works
[4:24] <maicod> bircoe: but openelec is a mediaplay-environment only isnt it ?
[4:24] <bircoe> the install process for OpenELEC is super simple and leaves no room for error while imaging the card
[4:24] <maicod> ah OK
[4:24] <bircoe> yes he wants XBMC
[4:24] <maicod> oh right
[4:25] <maicod> so the troubles seem to be the power huh
[4:25] <maicod> the psu
[4:25] <bircoe> somethinginteres, if you only have a red power light then you now have SD card problems...
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[4:25] <bircoe> either your card is not being read properly or it is fault
[4:25] <bircoe> y
[4:25] <rikkib> I am in... PL2303 usb to serial module hooked to my rpi...
[4:26] <maicod> somethinginteres: when the Pi is flipped to its backside the SD card needs to be with the label side upwards. so the non-label side goes against the circuit board. also note that the metal 'spring' needs to be pressed to the underside of the connector . it will only be like that when the card is fully and correctly inserted into the slot
[4:28] <maicod> the 'spring' is actually a switch that enables power to the SD card once its seated correctly
[4:28] <maicod> it disconnects one of the pins going to the SDcard
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[4:31] <bbond007> if you put the card in upside-down you may have damaged it
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[4:32] <bbond007> although i put a bunch of my cards through the washing machine and they were ok
[4:32] <maicod> but it won't slide in correctly then
[4:32] <rpluto> Hi can someone help with a issue with raspberry
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[4:33] <maicod> heheh bbond007: I once read a test of a magazine on which they washed cards and drove over them with cars and thrown them out of apartment towers etc. and they all WORKED
[4:33] <rikkib> Damn... Stuck in minicom with mc running... Can't exit. haha
[4:33] <maicod> f10 ?
[4:33] <somethinginteres> maicod: nope never put it in upside down. checked and it is making contact. When I had the RaspXBMC on the SD all lights came on. Now with OpenELEC just the red light.
[4:34] <maicod> ok good
[4:34] <rikkib> No go in minicom hooked up to console via serial port
[4:34] <maicod> so the card is seated correctly
[4:34] <rpluto> I only get wlan Ping ON boot
[4:34] <maicod> rikkib: hehe
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[4:34] <Wolfram74> So, i have an old 200 gig hard drive
[4:34] <rpluto> Could be that a power issue, if i connect wlan again after 10 s or so it goes down again
[4:35] <bbond007> Wolfram74, a 200 gig hd is not worth the power it takes to run it :)
[4:35] <rikkib> killall mc
[4:35] <Wolfram74> and I was wondering if it would be reasonable to clean it out, partition it into 10 gig blocks and make them backups of my Rpi
[4:35] <rikkib> lucky the command line still works in mc
[4:36] <bircoe> somethinginteres, how did you put OpenELEC on the SD card?
[4:36] <Wolfram74> bbond007: would that be a considerable use for it?
[4:36] <bbond007> Wolfram74, why not just image your cards and store them on the hd
[4:36] <Wolfram74> *valid
[4:36] <somethinginteres> bircoe: sudo ./create_sd_card /dev/sde
[4:36] <bircoe> ok cool...
[4:37] <Wolfram74> I guess that's what I was thinking of, i just thought that partitioning might be a good idea, because I have no idea what i'm doing for the most part
[4:37] <bircoe> now the issue must be with the SD card
[4:37] <bircoe> I had allot of problems using a MicroSD card in an adapter
[4:37] <bircoe> do you have a spare standard SD card?
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[4:38] <somethinginteres> bircoe: I do have 1 SD card. Sized at 1GB
[4:38] <bircoe> that will be fine
[4:38] <maicod> 1 GB ?
[4:38] <somethinginteres> maicod: yes
[4:39] <maicod> bircoe: wheezy needs 3+ huh
[4:39] <maicod> does openelec <1 GB ?
[4:39] <bbond007> 2gb at least
[4:39] <bircoe> maicd the boot partition on OpenELEC is 128mb
[4:39] <maicod> ok but he just said his card is JUST 1 GB
[4:39] <bircoe> ?
[4:39] <maicod> <somethinginteres> bircoe: I do have 1 SD card. Sized at 1GB
[4:39] <bircoe> OpenELEC would work on a 256mb card...
[4:40] <maicod> aha thats what I meant to ask
[4:40] <bircoe> heh
[4:40] <maicod> cause wheezy needs larger card than 1 GB so I thought : this is IT !
[4:40] <maicod> I thought it was the big mistake :)
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[4:41] <bircoe> the create_sdcard script partitions the card like this:
[4:41] <bircoe> 128mb FAT for boot, contains firmware, kernel and system image
[4:41] <maicod> iwconfig wlan0 power off
[4:41] <maicod> sorry
[4:41] <bbond007> i had to dig through all my junk looking for a 2gb card for the riscos.. i found like 3 sony memory cards of 2gb... finally a micro one
[4:42] <bircoe> the rest becomes a storage partition where settings are stored for XBMC and the ssh keys etc
[4:42] <maicod> rpluto: could it be a wifi power saving mode problem ? I have iwconfig wlan0 power off
[4:42] <maicod> in my etc/rc.local
[4:42] <maicod> stupid <CR> in my paste :(
[4:42] <bircoe> heh
[4:42] <maicod> yeah it ruined my line
[4:42] <somethinginteres> bircoe: will try w/ this card and report back
[4:43] <maicod> somethinginteres: good luck !
[4:43] <somethinginteres> maicod: Thanks. :)
[4:44] <maicod> yw
[4:44] <bbond007> i think if i redo this again i/m going to try and make the boot like 16GB FAT and then 16 for the os to make it fast to copy files to the RPI without using the network, but then there is the whole 4gb fat file size, and i don't think boot can be ntfs
[4:45] <bbond007> i tried to do fat/ext4/ntfs and that dis not work, windows did not see the ntfs
[4:45] <bbond007> and fat/ext4/fat did not work
[4:46] <maicod> yeah fat32 is limited to 4GB filesize :(
[4:46] <bbond007> which would be fine, for the most part, but i am starting to get some 3d movies exceeding that
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[4:46] <maicod> bbond: try mount.cifs to mount network shares
[4:47] <bbond007> maicod, i do, works great... but my network is 100mb which is slow
[4:47] <maicod> sudo mount.cifs // /mnt2/laptopd -o password=xxx
[4:47] <maicod> example
[4:47] <bbond007> actuall i do mount -t cifs, but same deal
[4:47] <maicod> ok ah you knew about that already. sorry thought I could help u ;)
[4:48] <bbond007> my notebook can write to the card at like 25mb/sec
[4:48] <maicod> yeah mount -t whatever is the same as mount.whatever
[4:48] <maicod> and you want to fill it with HD movies with filesizes over 4GB ?
[4:48] <rpluto> maicod: I try that but gives a error set
[4:49] <bbond007> most of the time they are smaller than 4gb, but i'm starting to dl more 3d stuff that is larger
[4:49] <maicod> rpluto: if u type ifconfig does it show wlan0 ?
[4:49] <rpluto> maicod: Operation not permited
[4:49] <rpluto> Yes
[4:49] <maicod> rpluto: oops sorry type sudo ifconfig
[4:50] <rikkib> Anyone know how to set the RPi console on ttyAMA0 to 40 columns?
[4:50] <rpluto> If i bring connection up o can get wlan again for 10 s or so
[4:50] <maicod> and sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off
[4:50] <maicod> rpluto: do you use wheezy ?
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[4:50] <rpluto> maicod: No i use raspbmc
[4:51] <maicod> ok
[4:51] <maicod> so your wifi dongle is recognized ?
[4:51] <rpluto> With that command o get set failed on device
[4:51] <rpluto> Yes
[4:51] <maicod> ok
[4:52] <maicod> with my wheezy what I do to setup lan is going to X and use wpa_gui
[4:52] <maicod> oops wifi I mean
[4:52] <maicod> LOL
[4:52] <rpluto> I use nmcli
[4:52] <maicod> whats that
[4:52] <maicod> ?
[4:52] <rpluto> With a config file
[4:52] <rpluto> Networkmanager
[4:52] <bbond007> maicod, before i came to miami (10 years ago) i actually had a job in TX porting linux kernel and writing device drivers for a custom arm sa1100 platform... this is all coming back to me :)
[4:53] <maicod> bbond007: heheh yeah playing with linux is cool
[4:53] <maicod> rpluto: try apt-get install wicd-curses
[4:53] <bbond007> that thing was 133mhz with 16mb ram though
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[4:54] <maicod> rpluto: its a networkmanager under console (using curses for 'gui')
[4:54] <maicod> bbond007: well 'almost' more than a Pi :)
[4:54] <UnaClocker> :) Chatting from my Pi.. :)
[4:54] <maicod> the mhz isnt :)
[4:54] <maicod> heheh UnaClocker, finally got xchat up?
[4:55] <somethinginteres> maicod: seems to be taking it's time on the "discarding device block" portion of the .create_sdcard script. Hopefully it's alright
[4:55] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I think I tried it before, back when the keyboard wasn't playing nice..
[4:55] <UnaClocker> Seems like the keyboard works a lot better on the 512mb Pi..
[4:56] <rpluto> maicod: Ok please w8 a second
[4:56] <maicod> somethinginteres: I don't have experience with the openelec installer (bircoe has) but it looks like its deleting the old contents of the card ?
[4:56] <maicod> ok rpluto
[4:56] <somethinginteres> miacod: yeah looks like it. Just went onto the step so all good.
[4:56] <maicod> UnaClocker: yeah we talked about it earlier when u had the keyboard trouble
[4:57] <rikkib> Ahhhh stty rows 15 columns 40
[4:57] <maicod> somethinginteres: weird that it doesnt just delete the partitions and recreates new ones
[4:57] <bbond007> UnaClocker, my keyboard skips and repeats one some boots(and then i reset the hub), works perfectly fine on other boots.... so anyway the usb needs work
[4:57] <rpluto> maicod: Shoud i add pi user to netdev group?
[4:57] <UnaClocker> I'm trying to give myself a crash course in Python at the moment.. Got bored and figured I'd fire up IRC.. :)
[4:58] <maicod> rpluto: that sounds familiar. I think I've seen that somewhere. but I don't know what its needed for anymore :)
[4:58] <rikkib> and it works to
[4:58] <maicod> rpluto: it won;t be hamrful to do so
[4:58] <maicod> I guess
[4:58] <maicod> as long as it doesn't kill ya proceed with it :)
[4:59] <maicod> UnaClocker: hehe irc is social huh
[4:59] <rpluto> maicod: I add then if have some problem i remove it from the group
[4:59] <maicod> yea
[4:59] <UnaClocker> Yup
[4:59] <rpluto> Problem with dependencies
[5:00] <maicod> rpluto: wicd is quite nice . you need to tick a few boxes 'enable dhcp' after you've ticked on your ssdi-name in the list
[5:00] <UnaClocker> What's the trick with getting YouTube to realize the Chromium IS HTLM5?
[5:00] <maicod> rpluto: I meant like 'enable dhcp' . and fill in the password ofc
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[5:00] <maicod> rpluto: deps ? oh damn
[5:01] <rpluto> maicod: I dont have problem with that i can make the connection right
[5:01] <maicod> yeah but just to be sure
[5:01] <rpluto> Only have problem 10/ after that
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[5:01] <maicod> it disconnects huh
[5:01] <rpluto> If after that 10 s i connect again i have more or less 10s again
[5:02] <rpluto> Yes i lost ping (connection)
[5:02] <maicod> rpluto: only thing why I gave u the iwconfig stuff is cause when I used putty (windows ssh client) to login my Pi , the connection went dead after some minutes of me being inactive. it is some builtin power saving in wifi adapters :(
[5:03] <maicod> rpluto: I try to help but I don't know what is happening :(
[5:03] <maicod> rpluto: tried another wifi dongle?
[5:03] <rpluto> Thx maicod, i dont know if is a power issue
[5:03] <maicod> me either ofc :)
[5:04] <rpluto> No i just have this one
[5:04] <maicod> just my 2 cents
[5:04] <maicod> okay
[5:04] <steve_rox> wpa_gui does nothing for me but the os detects the wifi usb
[5:04] <maicod> if u type sudo ifconfig after the 10secs
[5:04] <maicod> will it still show the IP ?
[5:04] <rpluto> No
[5:04] <UnaClocker> Sounds like a polyfuse heating up and then cooling back down.
[5:04] <maicod> aha
[5:04] <bbond007> OMG... i just thought of the one device i have i have not tried to get working with the RPI yet... can't believe i forgot this one...
[5:04] <maicod> so the wifi connection is dropped
[5:04] <maicod> weird
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[5:05] <maicod> if u type ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0 it works for another 10 secs ?
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[5:05] <steve_rox> i got wifi working on xbmc tho
[5:06] <maicod> rpluto: you're not working under X11 right ?
[5:06] <rpluto> Right
[5:06] <maicod> okay cause I had trouble with older raspbian wheezy releases under X
[5:06] <maicod> with wifi
[5:06] <maicod> the keyboard started repeating chars too
[5:06] <maicod> it had something to do with a driver for the usb chip on the Pi
[5:06] <rpluto> maicod: I dont use ifup or Ifdown i use nmcli con up id .....
[5:07] <maicod> oh rite
[5:07] <maicod> I only know the if commands ;)
[5:07] <rpluto> :)
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[5:07] <maicod> its all the same :)
[5:07] <bbond007> it works... the dealextreme arcade joystick works...
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[5:07] <maicod> rpluto: I don't know what else to suggest now
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[5:08] <rpluto> What chip do u use Rtl....
[5:08] <maicod> ehw
[5:08] <maicod> ralink I think
[5:08] <maicod> its the wl-329 stick from sitecom
[5:09] <bbond007> r8712 here
[5:09] <bbond007> trendnet
[5:09] <maicod> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0df6:0041 Sitecom Europe B.V. WL-329 Wireless Dualband USB adapter 300N
[5:09] <UnaClocker> I hate Wifi, long live hardwired ethernet! :)
[5:09] <maicod> haha u chicken :)
[5:10] <UnaClocker> Wifi is for phones, tablets, and laptops that aren't desktop replacements.
[5:10] <bbond007> UnaClocker, same here, i use the wifi to connect to my iphone for internet at work though
[5:10] * maicod uses his laptop with wifi all the time
[5:11] <UnaClocker> Me too, but I also use the battery in it.. Seems most people only use their laptop while it's plugged into the wall for power.. heh.. Kinda defeats the wireless idea..
[5:11] <rpluto> http://dx.com/p/leguang-lg-n18-150mbps-ieee802-11-b-g-n-usb-2-0-wi-fi-wireless-network-adapter-black-dc-5v-121069
[5:11] <maicod> yeah and I'm such a person cause I want to preserve the battery LOL
[5:11] <bbond007> in the house i was having problems with my plex crap so i put used 85mb powerline ethernets in every room
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[5:12] <maicod> thats a small one rpluto :)
[5:12] <rpluto> Mine is this one, rtl8188
[5:12] <UnaClocker> Gigabit ethernet for me.. :)
[5:12] <maicod> my mouse receiver looks like that :)
[5:12] <rpluto> Yes it is
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[5:12] <rpluto> Lol
[5:12] * maicod has to go for now. maybe back later
[5:12] <cyclick2> UnaClocker, some fridge also use wifi
[5:12] <maicod> taking a break :)
[5:12] <rpluto> Thx maicod
[5:12] <bbond007> my driver for the r8712 bitches about being from "the staging area" and that "you have been warned..."
[5:12] <maicod> rpluto: I didnt solve it though :(
[5:13] <rpluto> But u try
[5:13] <rpluto> :)
[5:13] <maicod> rpluto: try it with a wheezy image and see if it works there. then u know if its the dongle thats doing the bad stuff
[5:13] <UnaClocker> cyclick2: My 3 Pi that will be controlling the heating in my house will be hardwired.
[5:13] <maicod> rpluto: if its doing the same ditch the wifi dongle :)
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[5:14] <rpluto> Ok i will try
[5:14] <maicod> rpluto: just take the image from the rpi site
[5:14] <rpluto> I only have one sd card
[5:14] <maicod> o :(
[5:14] <maicod> damn u got to backup it first then
[5:14] <rpluto> Have to backup this one
[5:14] <maicod> yea
[5:14] <rpluto> Sure
[5:14] <bbond007> but it takes 3 Pi's to controll your heating? you must have complicated environmental requirements...
[5:14] <cyclick2> UnaClocker, my pi is hard wired to a wifi router that itself is a wifi client of another router
[5:14] <maicod> but I sense u know how :0
[5:14] <maicod> you don't see like a beginner heehe
[5:15] <rpluto> Yes, i use DD
[5:15] <maicod> rpluto: tomorrow order a) wifi dongle b) sdcard LOL
[5:15] <bbond007> i could probably control the climate in this place with a commodore 64
[5:15] <UnaClocker> bbond007: Sort of.. Big house, 6 zones, each Pi will control 2 zones..
[5:15] <rpluto> lol
[5:15] <maicod> rpluto: if u got cash :)
[5:15] <rpluto> And a USB hub with power
[5:15] <maicod> yeah
[5:16] <rpluto> Because i think this is a power issue
[5:16] <cyclick2> UnaClocker, your internet connection might be wireless somewhere along the way and you dont even know it
[5:16] <maicod> I got the ultron one (see the verified list on elinux)
[5:16] <UnaClocker> bbond007: I'll definitely have more CPU power than I need, but at $35 a pop, with ethernet, it's cheaper than an Arduino.
[5:16] <maicod> its got 7ports
[5:16] <maicod> rpluto: sounds like it !
[5:16] <maicod> do you have the old Pi ?
[5:16] <maicod> with polyfuses
[5:16] <rpluto> Old 256 one ?
[5:16] <maicod> well theres old and new 256 ones
[5:17] <rpluto> Dont know the diference
[5:17] <maicod> the older ones had polyfuses and those can melt when using a wifi dongle in the Pi directly
[5:17] <bbond007> yeah.. you may as throw those 256 ones at it, there about worthless :P
[5:17] <maicod> <---not very good in this matter
[5:18] <maicod> bbond007: should he look for the fuses ?
[5:18] <maicod> the ones next to the USB port
[5:18] <maicod> I don't know if you can tell if those are removed in newer versions
[5:18] <bbond007> no, i mean use the 256 ones to control the house temp. I don't know anything about the fuses.,,,
[5:18] <maicod> ok :)
[5:18] <rpluto> :)
[5:18] <UnaClocker> The new version only has a polyfuse at the USB power input.
[5:19] <UnaClocker> And yeah, I've got 3 256mb Pi (well, 4 if you count the one I fried)
[5:19] <maicod> rpluto: http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3530.jpg
[5:19] <maicod> see the usb connector ?
[5:19] <maicod> left of it are 2 green thingies
[5:20] <maicod> in between is a black one
[5:20] <maicod> I believe those are the polyfuses
[5:20] <maicod> and in newer versions they are removed as far as I know
[5:20] <bbond007> what do you do with them, just bridge them?
[5:20] <maicod> I wouldnt tamper with them :)
[5:20] <maicod> some ppl do :)
[5:21] <UnaClocker> I jumper them. Solder a leg from an LED across them.
[5:21] <maicod> UnaClocker: can you help rpluto determine which rpi version he got ?
[5:21] <UnaClocker> They're obviously worthless, since the RPi foundation eliminated them in the later design.
[5:22] <bbond007> thats what i'd do if they were giving me trouble, after all, the thing only cost $35 :)
[5:22] <maicod> yeah though on the newer ones power hungry wifi dongles can still make it broken I heard
[5:22] <UnaClocker> If he's got "those green things" near the USB, it's a first edition. If they're black, it's a second edition. If there's a mounting hole there, it's a third edition.
[5:22] <maicod> ah the 512 one huh
[5:22] <maicod> rpluto: ure checking ?
[5:23] <UnaClocker> No, the 512mb is the fourth edition.
[5:23] <rpluto> Yes i am trying
[5:23] <maicod> in ANY case the best is using a powered hub
[5:23] <UnaClocker> There was a 256mb with mounting holes.
[5:23] <maicod> oh
[5:23] <maicod> aha
[5:23] * maicod got 2 oldest version Pi's
[5:23] <maicod> see that picture
[5:23] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3530.jpg
[5:23] <UnaClocker> My dead one is from the first 10k batch.
[5:23] <bbond007> maicod, that is the only thing i noticed with the VGA agapter, started having random crashes i had not had, then removed the wifi and it was fine, but could do wifi fine without VGA, but that was with my 750va PS.
[5:24] <somethinginteres> bircoe: well I installed OpenElec onto the 1GB SD. All the lights came on. The OK light flashed a lot for a long time then it went off. Still "no input signal" on the TV
[5:24] <rpluto> My version is 2011.12
[5:24] <maicod> bbond: ah then you probably should put the wifi dongle in a powered hub
[5:24] <maicod> rpluto: that doesnt say me anything :)
[5:24] <rpluto> And ond the right of USB i dont have that
[5:25] <bbond007> yeah, i switched to a 2A ps and it was all good.
[5:25] <maicod> okay bbond007 cool
[5:25] <UnaClocker> 1GB is really small, are you sure that's big enough? I use a 2GB card with RaspBMC, and that works..
[5:25] <maicod> so the vga thingy is useful !
[5:25] <bbond007> but i just thought i would mention it. it does use some power....
[5:25] <maicod> somethinginteres: it sounds like it booted but didnt enable the hdmi out
[5:26] <maicod> bbond007: I told ya that yesterday :) I said maybe it will not work cause it needs power from the Pi and it might not be enough
[5:26] <somethinginteres> maicod: right.
[5:26] <bbond007> the vga thing is really useful so i can put the pi on my KVM at work and get ento my personal mail and stuff....
[5:26] <maicod> I mean I was thinking about that :)
[5:26] <bircoe> somethinginteres, perhaps your TV isn't supported properly
[5:27] <maicod> bircoe: could it have to do with hdmi settings in config.txt ?
[5:27] <bbond007> the quality is better on the DVI but the VGA looks way better than i expected...
[5:27] <bircoe> theres some info here about forcing display modes
[5:27] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[5:28] <bbond007> i'll probably end up just getting a 2nd Rpi
[5:28] <maicod> bbond007: cool
[5:29] <maicod> bbond007: some time ago active hdmi-to-vga hardware costed like 50+ dollars
[5:29] <maicod> bircoe: ah I remember that indeed
[5:30] <maicod> some screens (mainly used for computers) being of one category and tvs being of the 2nd category
[5:30] <maicod> maybe his tv is in an identity crisis :)
[5:31] <maicod> pluto: so u need 3 new hardwares :)
[5:31] <maicod> oops rpluto
[5:31] <bbond007> maicod, do you have scart video ports there?
[5:31] <maicod> bbond007: on my CRT TV
[5:31] <maicod> and old VCR
[5:31] <maicod> hehe
[5:31] <rpluto> :)
[5:31] <bbond007> yeah, those are useful. they don't put those on stuff here...
[5:32] <maicod> aha
[5:32] <maicod> its french
[5:32] <rpluto> Try with other psu
[5:32] <maicod> but its used in europe
[5:32] <maicod> I find those connectors super ugly
[5:32] <bbond007> like for retro computers that want to go 15hz video
[5:32] <maicod> I got adapters that are just scart plugs with on the other end composite sockets
[5:32] <rpluto> Bahh nothing
[5:32] <bbond007> yeah, kind of reminds me of the UK ipod plug i saw the other day....
[5:33] <maicod> hehe
[5:33] <rikkib> 16 wires hooks to my gpio port.
[5:33] <bbond007> looks like the plug to my electric dryer
[5:33] <maicod> LOL
[5:33] <maicod> show a picture rikkib :)
[5:33] <bircoe> w00t... finally found the adapter for my wireless keyboard... now i can't find the wireless keyboard :/
[5:33] <maicod> hahaha
[5:33] <rpluto> Hehhe
[5:34] <maicod> maybe it will respond to cry from the adapter
[5:34] <rikkib> No camera until it comes back tommorrow night
[5:34] <maicod> like a keyfinder ;)
[5:34] <cyclick2> you need to attach them with a cord somewhere bircoe
[5:34] <UnaClocker> I really like Geany.
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[5:34] <maicod> rikkib: ok :)
[5:34] <bbond007> maybe they need to put a pager on it, like the old wireless phones...
[5:35] <rikkib> Hang on I can get screen cap from the camera hooked to it...
[5:35] <bircoe> cyclick2, oh you mean kind of like a wireless keyboard but with a cable instead :)
[5:35] <maicod> cordless phones have function to find find the phones by pressing a home button on the base
[5:35] <cyclick2> bircoe, exact ;)
[5:35] <maicod> cool
[5:35] <rikkib> Give me a mo
[5:35] <bbond007> that was great, i'd hit that pager on the base when my sister was on the phone :)
[5:35] <maicod> heheh :)
[5:36] <maicod> the first ring is always unsynced
[5:36] <maicod> the base goes first :)
[5:37] <bbond007> there used to be a number you could dial and hang up and it would dial you back and just ring the phone... i'd do that to her too...
[5:37] <maicod> I remember
[5:38] <maicod> we had that in europe too
[5:38] <rpluto> maicod: Found other dongle same issue
[5:38] <bbond007> and i'd call prank people with the A500 computer...
[5:38] <rpluto> One old one 11g
[5:39] <rpluto> That i use to play games on PSP via kaid
[5:40] <maicod> bbond007: got a a500 too and a4000 :)
[5:40] <maicod> rpluto: ah :(
[5:40] <maicod> rpluto: maybe need a powered hub then
[5:40] <maicod> I am eating NOW so silent
[5:40] <rpluto> Can be a kernel?
[5:40] <rpluto> Lol
[5:40] <rpluto> Ok
[5:40] <maicod> rpluto: try the wheezy image too
[5:40] <bbond007> i still have an a1200
[5:41] * maicod a500/4000
[5:41] <bbond007> and broken cd32
[5:41] <maicod> mine still works
[5:41] <maicod> the a501 too
[5:41] <maicod> the hdd
[5:42] <bbond007> i ended up getting one of those NOS NTSC CD32s that poped up about 2-3 years ago.. really never worked right
[5:42] <maicod> hehe funny cause I got mine years later than the amiga era too (on a trade fair) and it came without a PSU
[5:43] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-cams2.jpeg
[5:43] <maicod> but I got one seperately later on
[5:43] <bbond007> the 1200 has an 060 so its pretty nice still
[5:43] <rikkib> my web site is slow
[5:43] <maicod> bbond007: still got superfrog CD32 cd :)
[5:43] <bbond007> yeah... i remember 2D games :)
[5:43] <rikkib> Pic from cam on my desk looking at my RPi with 16 wires hooked to it
[5:44] <maicod> superfrog lucozade :
[5:44] <maicod> :)
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[5:44] <bircoe> rikkib, motion working any better yet?
[5:44] <rikkib> no
[5:45] <bbond007> i still try and play shadow of the beast 1 and 3 and still have a terrible time
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[5:46] <maicod> cool wires rikkib
[5:46] <maicod> bbond007: LOL
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[5:47] <rikkib> In the pic you can see the push button I use, the pl2303 module and the corner of the stm32v board.
[5:47] <rikkib> My RPi lives in an aluminium box
[5:47] <somethinginteres> bircoe: tried hdmi_safe=1 and sdtv_mode=2 (PAL), no dice
[5:48] <maicod> rikkib: now watch out cause the thiefs think you are rich if u have security cams :)
[5:48] <bircoe> you may have a faulty pi...
[5:48] <bircoe> what kind of display and how are you connecting it?
[5:48] <maicod> mine lives in plastic lego :)
[5:49] <somethinginteres> bircoe: HDMI from Pi to HDMI on the TV which is NEC branded.
[5:49] <maicod> could be the cable ?
[5:49] <maicod> just guessing now
[5:49] <rikkib> Now I have figured out how to set console columns and rows I can proceed to write some software for the STM32V... 320x240 display = 15 rows by 40 columns
[5:49] <maicod> hehe
[5:50] <bbond007> i wonder if anyone bought that $75 case
[5:50] <maicod> cool
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[5:50] <maicod> which ?
[5:50] <maicod> show me :)
[5:50] <rikkib> Lucky I have the pl2303 module... Makes life easy.
[5:50] <somethinginteres> maicod: possibly but the cable has worked in the past going from my PC to TV. The TV is detected on my computer if I plug in the HDMI.
[5:50] <bircoe> somethinginteres, give this one a try
[5:50] <bircoe> hdmi_drive=2
[5:50] <somethinginteres> bircoe: should I leave the other settings such as hdmi_safe=1 in the config.txt too?
[5:51] <bircoe> nah get rid of them
[5:51] <maicod> somethinginteres: yea it was just an idea
[5:51] <maicod> to rule out things
[5:51] <UnaClocker> Anyone else using this for their login MOTD? http://i.imgur.com/sxHhN.png
[5:52] <bircoe> nope but that's awesome!
[5:52] <rpluto> Very nice
[5:53] <UnaClocker> Here's the code to do it: http://pastebin.com/phtqcy9Z
[5:53] <rpluto> Thx UnaClocker
[5:53] <bbond007> https://www.adafruit.com/products/1039
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[5:54] <UnaClocker> I tweeted it to @Raspberry_Pi a week ago, probably got lost in the noise, I thought for sure they'd retweet it.
[5:54] <bbond007> that case is mil spec
[5:55] <maicod> UnaClocker: sweet
[5:55] <maicod> UnaClocker: on twitter your like a drop of oceanwater
[5:56] <UnaClocker> heh, billet aluminum Pi case.. What would Steve Jobs use? :)
[5:56] <UnaClocker> That, or pure glass.
[5:56] <maicod> hehe cool but overkill since the Pi is only $35
[5:56] <somethinginteres> bircoe: nup, no dice
[5:56] <maicod> aluminium makes contact with Pi and then bzzzzzzzzzzzz
[5:57] <bbond007> steve jobs would need to have a case with rounded corners otherwise he'd get the RPi stuck in his anus.
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[5:57] * bbond007 hates steve jobs
[5:57] <UnaClocker> Those corners are pretty round, and the edges look to have a nice smooth chamfer.
[5:58] <maicod> did u all see the boat ?
[5:58] <maicod> the one made in my country LOL
[5:58] <lunra> vibrator shield for rpi?
[5:58] <maicod> jobs didnt live long enough to see it
[5:58] <cyclick2> If I start audio on the rpi through ssh, how can I also play that sound on my local PC ?
[5:58] <UnaClocker> Nah, didn't see it, I saw a link to it though.
[5:59] <UnaClocker> cyclick2: Not really, no.
[5:59] <maicod> http://newsfixnow.com/2012/11/02/steve-jobs-yacht-revealed/
[5:59] <UnaClocker> hehe, not pulling up a news site on the Pi.. That'd take a week. ;)
[5:59] <maicod> haha
[6:00] <maicod> unaclocker: did u make the artwork ?
[6:00] <cyclick2> UnaClocker, there must be a way ..
[6:00] <maicod> UnaClocker: exaggerator !:)
[6:00] <UnaClocker> Nope, was on Reddit.
[6:01] <bbond007> steve jobs would love the RPi... its small, underpowered, and totally unexpandable. the only thing he have to change is the price.
[6:01] <maicod> UnaClocker: ok :)
[6:01] <rpluto> bbond007 lol
[6:01] <cyclick2> bbond007, I think there is to many plugs on the rpi for jobs?
[6:01] <UnaClocker> Unexpandable? It's got a GPIO port.. He'd have the board redesigned without that.. Remember the first iMac?
[6:01] <maicod> http://news.yahoo.com/steve-jobss-secret-yacht-looks-giant-iphone-004847219.html
[6:02] <maicod> no flash :)
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[6:02] <bbond007> and he would have to make the ports more propritary....
[6:02] <UnaClocker> First iMac had an expansion slot.. 3DFX came out with a 3D video board that used it. Second iMac and all later iMacs didn't have that slot.
[6:02] <maicod> like that bullet connector ehm forgot its name
[6:03] <maicod> some kind of usb3
[6:03] <rikkib> UnaClocker, That even works in the console hooked to ttyAMA0 running through minicom
[6:03] <UnaClocker> Yup.. :)
[6:04] <maicod> is it lightningbolt ?
[6:04] <UnaClocker> maicod: Yup, it's a boat..
[6:04] <maicod> hah
[6:04] <maicod> its a gian IMAC :)
[6:04] <maicod> giant
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[6:04] <maicod> we built it here :P
[6:05] <bbond007> then some stuff they do just sucks.... i have core duo macbook(not core2 duo) that cant run the latest OS... unless you delete like one xml file... what dicks
[6:05] <maicod> heh
[6:05] <bbond007> i could see if its a real technical limitation...
[6:05] <bbond007> like the fact that it does not have 64bit cpu
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[6:06] <maicod> its making your valued hardware seem obsolete
[6:06] <UnaClocker> heh.. I had a G4 iMac that was 66MHz too slow to run 10.5, quick hack of the install script and it was on there.. Ran better than 10.4 did.
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[6:07] <UnaClocker> I wasn't complaining, since I got that computer for free.. :) Dead backlight inverter, easy fix.
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[6:07] <maicod> what does the inverter invert then?
[6:07] <maicod> light obviously
[6:08] <maicod> but what for :0
[6:08] <maicod> :)
[6:08] <rikkib> power
[6:08] <rikkib> hv
[6:08] <UnaClocker> Takes the DC voltage from a computer power supply (12v usually) and steps it up to the 10k volts AC that it takes to run a cold cathode flourescent lamp.
[6:08] <maicod> oooooooooooooooooh
[6:08] <UnaClocker> LCD backlight.
[6:08] <maicod> the powering part of the backlight
[6:08] <bbond007> then have you ever walked into an apple store? those "genius" guys. at least i know if i totally give up on personal hygiene while being a condescending prick, i'll there will be a place for me to work...
[6:09] <maicod> UnaClocker: I know those :) I got a tube in my desktop pc and it also uses a small circuit board for the 10K volts
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[6:09] <maicod> bbond007: I thought the personel needs to be ultrahip ? not ultraclean apparantly :)
[6:09] <UnaClocker> heh, I love the Apple store.. Problem with my iPhone? 5 minutes later I'm walking out of the store with a brand new one.. Meanwhile my droid loser friends have to mail their dead phones across the country and wait a week..
[6:10] <rikkib> hv to strick the tube
[6:10] <maicod> rikkib: the voltage is high but amps is low huh?
[6:10] <maicod> so not dangerous
[6:10] <rikkib> yep
[6:11] <maicod> rikkib: my tube doesnt light up to the top anymore :(
[6:11] <rikkib> just raise the hair on your arm
[6:11] <maicod> heh
[6:11] <maicod> its not fully lit
[6:11] <maicod> only 3/4 of it
[6:11] <maicod> the light 'moves'
[6:11] <bbond007> yeah, i go in there and i'm like ogre from revenge of the nerds.... "nerds!!"
[6:11] <rikkib> run of go juice (gas)
[6:11] <rikkib> out of
[6:11] <maicod> ah the gas has leaked ?
[6:12] <UnaClocker> Burned up the phosphor.
[6:12] <maicod> ah OK
[6:12] <rpluto> Was the 800mhz safe ?
[6:12] <rikkib> That is a better explanation
[6:12] <UnaClocker> 800MHz should be stock.
[6:12] <maicod> UnaClocker: it has a microphone and if I change the switches setting it can react to sound LOL
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[6:12] <UnaClocker> heh, that's probably why it burned up then.. ;)
[6:13] <UnaClocker> They weren't meant to do that.. ;)
[6:13] <maicod> UnaClocker: I never use that mode
[6:13] <maicod> UnaClocker: its fun to see though :)
[6:13] <bbond007> if i could go back in time the first thing i'd do is figure out a way to save commodore while killing apple...
[6:13] <rpluto> Do u use 500 mhz maicod
[6:13] <UnaClocker> Yeah it is.. Used to have one in the back of my car.. Used so little power, I could leave it on overnight..
[6:13] <maicod> isnt commodore long gone ?
[6:13] <maicod> rpluto: 500 on what ?
[6:13] <maicod> arm_freq minimum is 700
[6:14] <bbond007> not if i can change time...
[6:14] <rpluto> Ok
[6:14] <maicod> rpluto: you mean overclocking ?
[6:14] <rpluto> Yes
[6:15] <maicod> rpluto: currently its not overclocked here
[6:15] <bbond007> flux capacitor tied to the gpio lines... its all very complicated,.
[6:15] <rpluto> I never try
[6:15] <UnaClocker> http://www.commodoreusa.net Nah, Commodore isn't gone, you can buy a brand new C64 with an i7 CPU.. ;)
[6:15] <maicod> rpluto: in raspbian wheezy there is presets in raspi-config tool
[6:15] <maicod> hahah UnaClocker LOL
[6:15] <maicod> it runs on steroids :)
[6:15] <bbond007> UnaClocker, that outfit is based near here in Fy lauterdale
[6:16] <UnaClocker> That C64 has been on my wish list for a couple years now.
[6:16] <bbond007> yeah, its overpriced....
[6:16] <maicod> nice shell of a c64 :)
[6:16] * UnaClocker nods.
[6:16] <UnaClocker> Unergonomic keyboard with cool switches..
[6:16] <maicod> rpluto: the overclocking question has nothing to do with the wifi right
[6:16] <maicod> ?
[6:16] <bbond007> i bought a tron BR and it came with an advert for commodore usa's new c64
[6:17] <rpluto> Right maicod
[6:17] <UnaClocker> bbond007: Well targetted advertising.
[6:17] <rpluto> Just to know because this lastest kernels support that
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[6:19] <bbond007> well, one thing is if the KB layout is like the original c64, its missing some keys that are essential now, so its not really that usable.
[6:19] <maicod> rpluto: dunno with other distros but you could manually edit config.txt on /boot
[6:19] <bbond007> but it has a runstop key
[6:19] <maicod> rpluto: I copied a piece out of the raspi-config script to peek at the presets . see this http://pastebin.com/Uwy8nSQH
[6:19] <maicod> rpluto: see the example I under the first piece of code
[6:20] <maicod> ##these should be inserted into config.txt in case you want the None profile (no overclock)
[6:20] <maicod> arm_freq=700
[6:20] <maicod> core_freq=250
[6:20] <maicod> sdram_freq=400
[6:20] <maicod> over_voltage=0
[6:20] <maicod> ############################################################################################
[6:20] <maicod> that
[6:20] <maicod> now take the appropriate preset and fill in its values in the above mentioned keywords in respective order
[6:21] <maicod> and put those in the end of config.txt
[6:21] <maicod> beware if the Pi runs unstable the filesys can get corrupted so also backup it first
[6:22] <rpluto> Ya i read about that
[6:22] <bbond007> maybe my rpi heatsinks will come in next week
[6:22] <UnaClocker> Yeah, that's mighty annoying when your SD card gets screwed and you have to start all over.
[6:22] <maicod> yeah had that a couple of times :)
[6:22] <rpluto> I dont go use that none is Good
[6:22] <bbond007> i never had that happen yet, so mabe i should back mine up
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[6:23] <maicod> rpluto: none is the default settings so that one is not the right one to choose if u wanna overclock
[6:23] <UnaClocker> Happened to my RaspBMC install 4 times.. They seem to have finally gotten it to work properly.
[6:23] <bbond007> but i have the 512k one and not the crappy 256 with the crappy fuses
[6:23] <UnaClocker> 512k, huh? :)
[6:23] * maicod will LOL at u all when I'll receive my 1024MB Pi
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[6:24] <UnaClocker> If I find a source to buy a 512mb chip, I'm going to try swapping the ram on one of my 256mb units..
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[6:25] <bbond007> you won't get it first.... just won't happen.. .US is 3-4 months ahead of .NL in technology
[6:25] <maicod> hahaha
[6:26] <maicod> we're not like ehm thick :)
[6:26] <bbond007> its all that pot smoking
[6:26] <maicod> we built jobs boat ;)
[6:26] <bbond007> and he died waiting...
[6:27] <maicod> UnaClocker: got the picture on my Pi :) (ansi art)
[6:28] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I really like it.. Old school.. :)
[6:28] <maicod> hehe yeah
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[6:28] * maicod wonders what makes the overlay on the console when the Pi boots
[6:29] <maicod> the one showing the raspberry icon
[6:29] <UnaClocker> Yeah, good question.
[6:29] <maicod> is it a program?
[6:29] <maicod> if u type clear its gone
[6:29] <bbond007> maicod, i remember that and if its the same as the 2.4 kernel is in fbconsole
[6:29] <UnaClocker> Gotta be a PNG somewhere that the framebuffer loads by default.
[6:29] <maicod> ok
[6:30] <maicod> root@raspberrypi:/# find / -name fbconsole
[6:30] <maicod> no luck
[6:30] <UnaClocker> Google it... :)
[6:30] <maicod> heh
[6:30] <bbond007> back in the 2.4 kernel it was a bitch to change, statically compiled into the kernel, propritary format, etc...
[6:30] <maicod> oh :)
[6:31] <rpluto> maicod: I saw my old config file And there was shit on that
[6:31] <rpluto> 840arm
[6:31] <maicod> what shit ?
[6:31] <rpluto> 350core
[6:31] <maicod> oh wasnt it commented out ?
[6:31] <rpluto> And 253gpu
[6:31] <maicod> then you were already overclocked ;)
[6:32] <bbond007> i changed it. remember when i said i worked on that sa1100 handheld.... well, thats when arm linux was just starting out, so its hopefully changed..
[6:32] <rpluto> Ya maby that is the reason for my issues
[6:32] <maicod> rpluto:maybe
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[6:32] <maicod> remove them all :)
[6:33] <maicod> or use the None profile values
[6:33] <maicod> whatever u wish :)
[6:34] <rpluto> Force turbo is for what
[6:34] <maicod> is that a specific option?
[6:34] <maicod> where did u see that ?
[6:34] <bbond007> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/Device-Profile-AML-M7100-wireless-data-collection-terminal/
[6:34] <rpluto> Under config
[6:34] <bbond007> an interview with me back 10 years ago
[6:34] <maicod> rpluto: oh I've not tampered with that option
[6:36] <maicod> can u paste your config.txt on pastebin?
[6:37] <maicod> mine is this one: http://pastebin.com/9GShXCP5
[6:37] <maicod> its from wheezy
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[6:41] <bbond007> maicod, also it was strange in .NL, i was just average height for once...
[6:41] <maicod> yeah we're tall :)
[6:42] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/screenshot101-1.jpg
[6:42] <maicod> overkill hehe
[6:42] <bbond007> i was standing in line for something and i realised that.
[6:42] <maicod> <- 1m80
[6:42] <bbond007> in Miami i'm like a giant
[6:43] <maicod> not so tall
[6:43] <maicod> in Miami many latin ppl ?
[6:44] <bbond007> Yes, a lot and they are pretty short
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[6:44] <maicod> yeah like 1m60 huh
[6:45] <UnaClocker> Mmm, metric...
[6:45] <bbond007> i would be 190.5 i think
[6:45] <bbond007> i hate metric
[6:46] <maicod> I don't :)
[6:46] <maicod> we hate what we don't know eh :)
[6:47] <bbond007> well, the sockets wrenches are easier to organise, but other than that... its a PIA
[6:48] <maicod> oh the 10mm 11mm 12mm etc. huh
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[6:48] <bbond007> no... i learned metric in school.. and there where like "one day.... you'll be using this..." was tested on it, etc... spent all my time on that and did not learn to spell words correctly..
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[6:49] <maicod> yeah depends on the school what is emphazised and what is disregarded
[6:49] <bbond007> yeah vs 1/2 9/16 3/4 etc..
[6:49] <maicod> ah OK
[6:50] <maicod> the wrench things with a closed and open side ?
[6:50] <maicod> both having the same size
[6:50] <maicod> 10mm or so
[6:50] * maicod used one for his car last week
[6:50] <rikkib> 3 pieces of Tarakihi (http://goodfishbadfish.com.au/?fish=jackass-morwong) and curly fries for dinner.
[6:51] <rikkib> $13NZD
[6:51] <maicod> u want to get us to eat seafood rikkib ?
[6:52] <bbond007> i had fish tacos for dinner
[6:52] <maicod> rikkib is preparing for the restaurant it seems
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[6:53] <maicod> rikkib: i've seen a NZ series on food hygiene inspections. forgot the name of the dep. but they give ratings or so and if u do bad u get a bad rating and u can get closed
[6:53] <maicod> restaurants I mean
[6:53] <rikkib> yep
[6:54] <rikkib> council bylaws and testing
[6:54] <maicod> I saw it on Zone Reality
[6:54] <maicod> we got the VWA (voedsel en waren authoriteit)
[6:54] <rikkib> All food outlets get tested
[6:54] <maicod> authority for foods and .....
[6:54] <maicod> waren=goods
[6:54] <maicod> same here I guess
[6:55] <UnaClocker> Ok, keyyyyboardddddd doesn't wor cpu oloa
[6:55] <UnaClocker> heh
[6:55] <rikkib> Mum is the ifsherman around here
[6:55] <maicod> oh LOL
[6:55] <bbond007> when i went to .NL i had to eat burger king every day because its all i could afford and even that was expansive
[6:55] <rikkib> She goes to see her friends with a boat...
[6:55] <maicod> bbond007: the local chips shops are cheaper
[6:55] <maicod> snackbar
[6:56] <maicod> theyre called
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[6:56] <rikkib> fish & chip shops
[6:56] <maicod> and sell chips (the fat fries) and all kinds of other baked in grease stuff :)
[6:56] <maicod> no fishes here :)
[6:56] <maicod> not in chips shops
[6:56] <bbond007> maicod, i finally found a place that would take my discover credit card and i ate like a king on the last day
[6:56] <maicod> hehehe good
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[6:57] <maicod> I prefer the fat chips and not the french fries
[6:57] <maicod> bbond007: can you get the fat chips in usa ?
[6:57] <bbond007> mastercard or visa cancelled a bunch of debit cards on the day i left because of hackers and mine was one of them..
[6:57] <maicod> belgian chips its called maybe
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[6:57] <maicod> flemish
[6:57] <rikkib> skinny ones a horrible
[6:58] <rikkib> curly fries are neat
[6:58] <rikkib> same size at fat chips
[6:58] <maicod> yeah but not so fat huh?
[6:58] <maicod> are they ?
[6:58] <maicod> ours are straight
[6:58] <rikkib> but curled up
[6:58] <maicod> burger king sells those ?
[6:58] <bbond007> maicod, i was in the holiday in near the Amstil river
[6:58] <bbond007> holiday inn
[6:58] <maicod> oh yeah De Amstel
[6:58] <maicod> OK
[6:59] <maicod> what was the street ?
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[6:59] <bbond007> can't remember, was like 7 or 8 years ago
[6:59] <maicod> ok :)
[6:59] <rikkib> Favorite... Pacific oysters in batter
[7:00] <maicod> http://www.snackspecialist.nl/images/patatallerlei.jpg
[7:00] <maicod> this is Dutch Patat
[7:00] <maicod> you can get it at De Snackbar
[7:00] <rikkib> Collect at low tide with hammer and large screw driver
[7:00] <bbond007> I had $200 which was like 180 euro at the time, so i was broke :)
[7:00] <maicod> not at the american shops like macdonalds ;)
[7:00] <maicod> so you had to eat cheaply
[7:01] <bbond007> then i would go to some convention center, REI or something
[7:01] <maicod> bbond007: couldnt u let someone from your family wire money?
[7:01] <maicod> RAI
[7:01] <maicod> its in Amsterdam-Zuid
[7:01] <maicod> south
[7:01] <maicod> its where the trade shows are held too
[7:02] <maicod> De RAI
[7:02] <rikkib> Bottled peaches off my tree and vanilla ice cream for desert later
[7:02] <bbond007> I did ok, i was able to eat there for free... at my convention. then i'd leave and go around the city
[7:02] <maicod> ah OK
[7:03] <maicod> did u see our chips ? http://www.snackspecialist.nl/images/patatallerlei.jpg
[7:03] <bbond007> i'm sure i could have gotten more money, also I passed that place that took the discover card like 10 times before i noticed they took it
[7:03] <rikkib> Amsterdam... I know where I would be heading if I were there.
[7:03] <maicod> not curly but not thin like french fries
[7:03] <maicod> hehe
[7:03] <maicod> you took Tram or Metro ?
[7:03] <maicod> or Bus :)
[7:03] <bbond007> they served my shrimp with the heads on, that was a little odd
[7:03] <maicod> yuck
[7:03] <bbond007> train
[7:04] <maicod> ah train can be done too ofc
[7:04] <bbond007> it was a nice train
[7:04] <maicod> just one or two stations
[7:05] <bbond007> plus i still had money left over, but i would have gone out to eat more had i of had more money
[7:05] <maicod> yellow with blue stripes huh
[7:05] <maicod> ok
[7:05] <maicod> NS is name of railways
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[7:06] <bbond007> that was the only time i left the US other than canada and mexico
[7:07] <maicod> i've never been outside europe
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[7:07] <maicod> its time for my bed now
[7:08] <maicod> seeya later :)
[7:08] <bbond007> my old landlord took me to Hawaii with him, which is the furthest i've gone, but thats still US
[7:08] <maicod> yeah :)
[7:08] <bbond007> which was awsome, bacause my phone worked :)
[7:08] <maicod> LOL
[7:08] <maicod> I must go now
[7:08] <bbond007> yeah, i need to head out too...
[7:08] <Timmmaaaayyy> so far i have a chatroom and openvpn being hosted on my pi???.what else should i do?
[7:08] <maicod> okay
[7:09] <maicod> bye
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[7:09] <bbond007> the amsterdam hotel wanted $$$ for everything.... wakup call $$
[7:09] <Timmmaaaayyy> i bet it would make a good place to hold quassel core.....hmmmm
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[7:44] <datafirm> hi
[7:44] <datafirm> Is there a way to mount my archlinux image on os x or an emulator? I messed up a config file and lost network and need to alter a file on the SD card.
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[7:49] <datafirm> assuming I can convert the disk with dd and convert to a VHD or something?
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[8:06] <discopig> datafirm, you could just mount it
[8:06] <discopig> you dont need to bot it in anything
[8:07] <discopig> mount the ext partition and edit the file then put it back in the raspberrypi
[8:07] <datafirm> discopig: Im trying that.. sudo mount_msdos -o nosuid /dev/disk2s2 ~/pi
[8:07] <datafirm> mount_msdos: Unsupported sector size (0)
[8:07] <discopig> why mount_msdos?
[8:07] <discopig> the partition is ext3/ext4
[8:08] <datafirm> discopig: don't think those are supported on os x?
[8:08] <discopig> http://www.thewireframecommunity.com/node/174
[8:08] <datafirm> maybe with fuse?
[8:08] <discopig> eah
[8:08] <discopig> yeah
[8:08] <discopig> seems to be the only way on osx
[8:08] <datafirm> discopig: cool! thanks
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[8:11] <datafirm> that aint working bummer.
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[8:34] <StMichel> I have a VirtualBox machine with Arch Linux on a mac, with which I can edit those linux partitions
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[9:30] <ciphergoth> I've installed bind9 on raspbmc but it doesn't seem to start at boot time. Anyone here understand how upstart and init.d play together? How do I watch the boot process?
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[9:34] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps.
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[10:04] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, I connected a pl2303 usb to serial module to my RPi today.
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[10:06] <rikkib> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/391
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[10:09] <rikkib> Good night all
[10:09] <shiftplusone> 'night, love you
[10:10] <shiftplusone> * just 'night
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[10:13] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[10:14] <shiftplusone> I don't know... seemed approporiate at the time.
[10:15] * Wiisel hugs shiftplusone there there...
[10:16] <shiftplusone> thank you =)
[10:16] * bircoe backs away
[10:16] <_deXter_> Hi folks
[10:17] * bircoe doesn't want to be involved in any of this sissy stuff..
[10:17] <shiftplusone> heh
[10:17] <_deXter_> My bluetooth keyboard/mouse is quite choppy and erratic, I tested them with my other computers and it works fine though
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[10:17] <_deXter_> Now I connected the receiver using a powered hub
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[10:18] <_deXter_> and my RPI is connected to a 5V 1A charger.
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[10:18] <_deXter_> The voltage between TP1 and TP2 I got was 4.91V
[10:18] <scale> hello
[10:18] <_deXter_> Is that sufficient?
[10:18] <shiftplusone> _deXter_, should be fine. USB on pi is just dodgy in general.
[10:18] <_deXter_> Not the answer I was hoping for, shiftplusone :(
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[10:20] <_deXter_> I don't get why it should be a problem though? I mean my HDDs seem to work fine, I can play a 4gig 1080p video without any lag.. why should the keyboard/mouse lag?
[10:20] <Wiisel> my first day was fun using a 1.5A keyboard xD
[10:20] <bircoe> excessive!
[10:21] <Wiisel> 3.5" or 2.5" HDD's?
[10:22] <_deXter_> Wiisel, 2.5" 1TB WD Elements Portable
[10:22] <scale> is this normal my raspberry is running a IRCD and a ssh server, listenning ports are not standard , 50453,50876. not one single connection from outside in 10 days?
[10:23] <Wiisel> some 2.5" enclosures are real greedy they generally make my life hell.
[10:24] <bircoe> scale are those ports exposed through your router (ie forwarded)?
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[10:24] <scale> bircoe, yup i connected every day from outside
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[10:25] <scale> bircoe, nano /var/log/auth.log nothing, only my connection
[10:25] <bircoe> i guess it's possible...
[10:25] <bircoe> maybe your not interesting enough to probe :P
[10:26] <scale> bircoe, oh whole internet
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[10:34] <Vegar> as long as ssh runs on a nonstandard port it'll be left alone
[10:34] <Vegar> oh.. he left
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> I have some servers with ssh open to the whole wide internet...
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> and the log files do fill up )-:
[10:38] <_deXter_> So anyone managed to get any wireless keyboard working properly at all?
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> I borrowed one a while back and it just worked...
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> I was told it was a cheap one from Argos...
[10:38] <shiftplusone> _deXter_, I had a mini keyboard+mouse thing which worked worked fine.
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> keyboard & mouse - tiny little usb dongle.
[10:38] <netchip> Hey people
[10:39] <netchip> What's the status of the gfx drivers?
[10:39] <shiftplusone> 'lo person
[10:39] <netchip> is it already open-sourced?
[10:39] <_deXter_> Sigh, then it could be just this keyboard then
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[10:39] <shiftplusone> _deXter_, or the dongle I suppose.
[10:40] <_deXter_> How do I return this thing now? I don't think the storekeeper will buy me excuse.
[10:40] <shiftplusone> netchip, yeah they are open, but not too interesting.
[10:40] <_deXter_> That it doesn't work with the RPi.
[10:40] <shiftplusone> _deXter_, apply a high voltage to the pins and say it doesn't work >.>
[10:40] <shiftplusone> (don't do that)
[10:40] <_deXter_> lol
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[10:41] <shiftplusone> ebay or an actual store?
[10:41] <netchip> shiftplusone: Not for the Android project?
[10:41] <_deXter_> shiftplusone, actual retail store
[10:41] <shiftplusone> netchip, sorry, not sure, don't follow any android developments.
[10:42] <_deXter_> I bought this keyboard/mouse specifically so that I can use it with the Pi..
[10:42] <shiftplusone> _deXter_, and they don't have a return policy?
[10:44] <_deXter_> shiftplusone, I guess so, I could try.. but what are the odds that I get another keyboard/mouse and that doesn't work too?
[10:44] <_deXter_> From what I've been reading so far, this seems to be a fairly common issue with the Pi..
[10:45] <shiftplusone> I'd avoid bluetooth and get something from here http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[10:45] <shiftplusone> though I'd still try to rule out the dongle as the problem.
[10:46] <_deXter_> shiftplusone, My keyboard is listed in there, well sort of
[10:46] <_deXter_> I don't see how the dongle could be a problem - works fine on my laptop.
[10:47] <shiftplusone> as you know, raspberrypi isn't a laptop
[10:49] <_deXter_> Oh wait a sec.
[10:49] <_deXter_> Dammit!
[10:49] <_deXter_> My exact keyboard is listed under there as problematic! :(
[10:49] <_deXter_> I wasn't aware that list existed.. no one told me! :(
[10:50] <shiftplusone> did you look for it?
[10:51] <_deXter_> I didn't know there was a problem in the first place.
[10:51] <_deXter_> I mean USB HID is fairly standard stuff, it's not exactly new technology..
[10:52] <_deXter_> If I were buying some fancy gadget I would probably have researched it.. who would imagine that a keyboard will not work properly? :P
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[10:57] <[SLB]> hm, i found that the new 512mb pi reboots when i plug/replug a wifi dongle, whilst the old 256mb one doesn't.
[10:57] <[SLB]> how so, is it the lack of the polyfuses?
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[11:04] <shiftplusone> possibly
[11:05] <shiftplusone> I'd say probably, but to be sure you'd need to check the voltages when it resets.
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[11:10] <_deXter_> [SLB], Mine does too
[11:11] <_deXter_> [SLB], lemme check if it does the same if it's connected via a hub..
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[11:11] <[SLB]> should check it, yes, but since it didn't happen with the other pi, i'm not sure how much the voltage would affect it, it's the same phone charger hm
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[11:16] <shiftplusone> [SLB], there is still a polyfuse on the input. When the current trips, the polyfuse uses has a higher resistance, which causes a voltage drop. I am guessing in this case it's enough to reset the pi.
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[11:18] <[SLB]> i mean it doesn't happen on the other pi because it's the single usb fuse that opens then? but i don't see any interruption in the other one, all works fine
[11:18] <[SLB]> should check with a tester i guess
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[11:19] <_deXter_> Sweet, just unpacked my new LCD monitor which I bought exclusively for my Pi ^_^
[11:20] <[SLB]> nice eheh
[11:20] <_deXter_> No I'm no longer forced to SSH into it :)
[11:20] <_deXter_> Eh, actually I still have to ssh because I have an incompatible keyboard :/
[11:20] <shiftplusone> [SLB], on the other pi the polyfuses on the usb side are a part of circuitry which detects an overcurrent condition which then shuts that usb port off, I believe. So it wouldn't cause the main polyfuse on the input to trip.
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[11:22] <[SLB]> yes, i know that, but then if the usb fuse would be triggered, the dongle shouldn't work during that time, but it continuously works, so nothing gets triggered by the dongle un/plugging
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[11:23] <[SLB]> but other than the fuses, i can't think of anything else, is that the only difference?
[11:23] <shiftplusone> the polyfuse is like a variable resistor, it might have been in a state where the voltage was low enough for the dongle to still work, but not low enough to trip the overcurrent condition.
[11:23] <[SLB]> ok makes sense
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[11:27] <[SLB]> if i boot the pi with the dongle already plugged, all works fine, it's just the replugging action that makes it reboot, unplug works fine as well
[11:28] <_deXter_> [SLB], I just tested it with a powered hub, it's all good
[11:28] <[SLB]> ah nice
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[11:46] <netchip> YEAAAAH
[11:46] <_deXter_> Indeed.
[11:47] <netchip> My Android phone gives finally a socket command (via netcat) to my PC :P
[11:47] <_deXter_> and I finally managed to set up DHCPD on my laptop so that I can share my internet with the RPi. :)
[11:47] <netchip> So this means, once I get my RPi, and my X10 controllers, I can control my house via my phone =D
[11:47] <netchip> _deXter_: Nice!
[11:48] <shiftplusone> netchip, awesome. Are you documenting things as you go?
[11:49] <netchip> shiftplusone: Yeah, I'm going to publsih my source code etc
[11:49] <netchip> :)
[11:50] <shiftplusone> I may have pi related project at uni next year and it will either be designing a set of labs to learn to use the pi or home automation using pi.
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[11:50] <netchip> :D
[11:50] <netchip> Cool :D
[11:51] <shiftplusone> No, not cool It has to have original value so if you do a good job, I have to do a much better job >=/
[11:52] <netchip> uhm
[11:52] <netchip> If you run mochad on an RPi, you can control it via netcat, so, you write an interface (socket class in Java) to communicate with mochad ;)
[11:52] <netchip> I got the idea from a Linux magazine
[11:53] <netchip> It's something like openRemote but selfwritten
[11:54] <shiftplusone> are x10 devices quite expensive?
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[11:59] <netchip> shiftplusone: I'll google for it, didn't buy them yet
[11:59] <shiftplusone> I've only checked ebay so far, seems like it would be pretty expensive to do the whole house like that.
[11:59] <shiftplusone> Also, what controller are you going to use?
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[12:05] <[SLB]> under 30usd i guess
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[12:15] <uabn93> hello
[12:17] <uabn93> is anyone awake?
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[12:20] <aaa801> Internet speed, dropping :(
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[12:28] <netchip> ...
[12:28] <netchip> hate java
[12:28] <netchip> W/System.err( 635): java.net.ConnectException: failed to connect to / (port 3001): connect failed: ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out)
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[12:29] <netchip> "/".... I never wrote that, I wrote ""
[12:29] <netchip> it works again, sigh
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[12:31] <jelly1> then don't use java!
[12:31] <shiftplusone> isn't this for android?
[12:31] <netchip> shiftplusone: It's for Android, indeed
[12:32] <shiftplusone> yeah... not many alternatives then.
[12:32] <netchip> But it now works fine & it writes characters to my PC =O
[12:36] <netchip> shiftplusone: interested in my source code??
[12:37] <shiftplusone> Not yet, but I am interested in where you intend to keep it so that I can check up on it once in a while.
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[12:39] <netchip> shiftplusone: I'll host on github/bitbucket. I can't choose =/
[12:40] <shiftplusone> github seems like the popular choice
[12:40] <[SLB]> ^
[12:40] <netchip> Okay then. I'll clean up my github & host it there ;)
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[13:05] <WhiteBreath> Hello all
[13:06] <WhiteBreath> Anyone?
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[13:14] <WhiteBreath> I'm getting some lines in the /var/log/messages which are unusual
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[13:15] <WhiteBreath> kernel: [ 6961.180843] ifplugd D c037a204 0 1581 1 0x00000000
[13:15] <WhiteBreath> No idea kernel: [ 6961.180908] [<c037a204>] (__schedule+0x2bc/0x568) from [<c037b720>] (__mutex_lock_slowpath+0xb8/0x154)
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[13:41] <jelly1> looks like a segfault
[13:48] <netchip> Expanding my ncat app ^^
[13:48] <netchip> (it's to communicate with mochad to turn on lamps etc)
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[14:07] <narcos> Hi all.
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[14:08] <narcos> When I play movies on my xbian Pi I occasionally get an error message at the top of the screen, about smbfs. Is there a way to disable displaying such error messages when a movie is playing?
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> hey ho. afternoon already.
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[14:25] <hyde> hi, is opengl supposed to work on raspbian?
[14:25] <hyde> how?
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[14:26] <scummos> only OpenGL ES afaik
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[14:27] <Vanfanel> do you guys know about any way to setup physical screen resolution after boot? I'd need to change between 60HZ and 70HZ modes
[14:27] <Vanfanel> fbset won't really change resolution
[14:28] <Vanfanel> I've been looking at dispmanx functions but I can't find anything
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[14:30] <hyde> trying to run raspbian's own glxgears, glxinfo, and opengl demos from qt4-demos package
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[14:31] <netchip> Are the problems with class10 sdcards fixed??
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[14:34] <WhiteBreath> segfault?
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> netchip, unlikely - but I haven't keept up with the latest issues - won't there always be an issue with the 3.3v vs 1.8v thing?
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> netchip, and isn't 20MB/sec the fastest you'll get anyway - which is achievable with a class 6?
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> my own thoughts are that if you need faster than that, then maybe the Pi isn't the best platform )-:
[14:41] * jelly1 gets 20MB/s
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[14:43] <netchip> gordonDrogon: Well, I don't need faster than that... But it's linda annoying when your SDCards don't work
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> netchip, yea, there is that.
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> but from what I gathered a lot is to do with the class 10 cards negotiating 1.8v which the pi can't do...
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[14:59] <netchip> gordonDrogon: ah okay
[15:00] <netchip> for anyone interested in domotica combined with mochad (what you can control with netcat), I've written an app (Android) to send commands
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[15:00] <dirty_d> ive been watching way too much walking dead
[15:01] <dirty_d> i keep having zombie apocalypse dreams
[15:01] <jelly1> stop playing L4D2
[15:01] <dirty_d> and then i lay awake thinking of how to build the most efficient zombie killing tool
[15:02] <dirty_d> it must: 1) never run out of ammo. 2) not fatigue the user. 3) last through a full day of zombie killing before needing refueling/recharging
[15:03] <ReggieUK> how can you watch too much walking dead? there's only been 1.5 series so far
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[15:03] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, because i watched all episodes in like 2 or 3 weeks
[15:03] <ReggieUK> cattle grid, sandblaster, big pile o' sand, go go go
[15:04] <ReggieUK> or pebble-dash machine
[15:05] <dirty_d> sandblaster might be a lottle slow, lol
[15:05] <ReggieUK> depends how many there are
[15:05] <dirty_d> 4) must be agile and portable
[15:05] <jelly1> machete
[15:05] <dirty_d> jelly1, you violate rule #2
[15:06] <jelly1> oh
[15:06] <ReggieUK> now you're moving the goalposts
[15:06] <dirty_d> a lightsaber would be perfect
[15:06] <dirty_d> what about like a spear with a motor and sword that spins on the end?
[15:06] <dirty_d> lol
[15:06] <ReggieUK> and now you're introducing different genres to satisfy your starwars fanboyism
[15:08] <dirty_d> well it would be perfect but, 5) must be constructable with present day technology
[15:09] <ReggieUK> I think 4 is the wrong rule
[15:09] <ReggieUK> my solution assumes that the user will not be bothered with running around chasing zombies
[15:09] <dirty_d> im thinking of something for escaping/moving to another location
[15:09] <dirty_d> removing #4 would be good for holding down the fort
[15:10] <ReggieUK> it also assumes that the user is bunkered down in a well defended facility
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[15:10] <ReggieUK> and is merely to clear access when necessary
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[15:11] <dirty_d> i wonder how powerful a pulsed plasma thruster is
[15:12] <dirty_d> maybe enough to crack a skull
[15:12] <netchip> This is soooo C00L. I can (if I buy a few X10 controllers) make my house automatic =D
[15:12] <netchip> and controllable via phone
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[15:12] <netchip> via selfwritten app
[15:13] <dirty_d> yea
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[15:13] <dirty_d> i did that to a lesser extent with my tv
[15:14] <netchip> Wow, nice :)
[15:14] <dirty_d> search for movies and play them from my phone
[15:14] <netchip> lzayness FTW ;D
[15:14] <netchip> lazyness*
[15:14] <dirty_d> yea, it sucked having to use the keyboard every time i needed to search/pause/play etc
[15:15] <dirty_d> especially since im watching from bed
[15:15] <dirty_d> in a living room it wouldnt be a big deal
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[15:16] <netchip> dirty_d: Which protocol you used?
[15:17] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, wait 1.5? theyre on S03E04 now i think
[15:17] <dirty_d> netchip, on the rpi there is a python webserver and my phone goes to the webpage to control it
[15:17] <ReggieUK> are they?
[15:17] <dirty_d> i used cherrypy
[15:17] <dirty_d> yea
[15:17] <ReggieUK> I need to catch up then
[15:18] <netchip> dirty_d: Nice one, but wasn't it more simple to just use ncat?
[15:18] <dirty_d> i just watched the first episode of season 3 last night
[15:18] <dirty_d> netchip, i dont think so
[15:18] <dirty_d> netchip, https://github.com/dirty-d/rpyvideoserver
[15:19] <netchip> dirty_d: I've written an app which is ncat client in a few hours. In the future it will take me < 1 hour... I think it's more simple
[15:19] <dirty_d> netchip, i might be thinking of something else
[15:19] <netchip> looks nice
[15:19] <dirty_d> netcat?
[15:19] <netchip> yup
[15:20] <dirty_d> youd have to make an app though right?
[15:20] <dirty_d> i just made a simple html page to control it
[15:20] <netchip> An app, is IMHO easier than messing with python etc... I don't know a shit of python/HTML ;D
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[15:22] <netchip> dirty_d: ^
[15:23] <dirty_d> yea it probably is simpler
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[15:23] <dirty_d> i already made a python webserver with RPC framework for something else so a lot of the work was already done
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[15:26] <netchip> ah
[15:26] <rpluto> Hi everyone
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[15:27] <dirty_d> hi
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[15:30] <stapper_> How can i check what the cpu clock is when logged in, not via config.txt
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[15:31] <dirty_d> its in /sys i think
[15:32] <dirty_d> stapper_, `cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq`
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[15:32] <stapper_> meci
[15:32] <stapper_> merci
[15:33] <dirty_d> its in kHz
[15:33] <stapper_> i have adjusted the config.txt to 800 but the cpuinfo still gives me 700
[15:34] <stapper_> i'm playing with arch linux
[15:34] <dirty_d> stapper_, if you have a recvent kernel and firmware it uses dynamic scaling
[15:34] <dirty_d> start something that is processor intensive
[15:34] <dirty_d> then read that file
[15:34] <dirty_d> it should go up to 800
[15:35] <stapper_> tnx
[15:35] <dirty_d> np
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> IPv6 numbers are big. really big. I mean, you might think it's a long way to go to the chemists, but that's just peanuts compared to ipv6 ...
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> trying to get my customers to get their heads round ipv6.
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[15:46] <odin_> no.. I am at ::1 and my chemist is at 2a01:1::1 must smallers numbers than and :P
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[15:46] <odin_> *much
[15:49] <dirty_d> so ipv6 eliminates the need for nat right?
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[15:49] <odin_> it does if you understand the difference between Network Address Translation and Stateful Inspection Firewall
[15:49] <odin_> if you don't understand that difference you can get confused
[15:49] <dirty_d> im confused then
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[15:50] <odin_> Network Address Translation makes it so your local LAN can be and everyone else local LAN is too
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[15:50] <dirty_d> a college for example would have its own first 64 bits, then each computer on the college would have its own last 64 bits right?
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[15:51] <mrlespaulman> Hey, here's a question for you
[15:51] <mrlespaulman> My Logitech wireless keyboard works sometimes
[15:51] <odin_> Stateful Inspection Firewall makes it so that you can connect out and use services on the internet but no cowboys from the internet can come and snoop around your network by blocking/restricting incoming data flow
[15:51] <mrlespaulman> but not all the time
[15:51] <Dagger2> I would hope a college would get more than one /64, but roughly yes
[15:51] <dirty_d> Dagger2, why would they ever need more than one?
[15:52] <odin_> yes the last 64 bits can also simply re-use the 48 bits from the ethernet card MAC address
[15:52] <mrlespaulman> I have to reboot a couple times and then it starts working again. whats up with that?
[15:52] <Dagger2> because you use one /64 per subnet, and you often want more than one subnet
[15:52] <dirty_d> mrlespaulman, could be a power thing
[15:52] <odin_> and now you have a unique IP on any network on your campus without needing to negotiate one with the campus network
[15:52] <Dagger2> unless a big flat L2 network makes sense for your organization
[15:53] <shiftplusone> mrlespaulman, what steps have you taken to figure out what's up?
[15:53] <odin_> this allows for things like roaming around campus with always connected connections to the internet
[15:53] <mrlespaulman> I have the receiver plugged in a powered usb hub though
[15:53] <Dagger2> ... and considering that a big flat L2 network doesn't make sense for me at home, it definitely won't for a college
[15:53] <dirty_d> Dagger2, are there any other ways to deal with that?
[15:53] <dirty_d> it would seem more efficeint
[15:53] <mrlespaulman> Well, I'm not exactly sure what steps to take
[15:53] <mrlespaulman> It seems to be powered sufficiently
[15:53] <shiftplusone> Have you checked that the keyboard is not listed as problematic ont he verified peripherals list?
[15:54] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[15:54] <dirty_d> Dagger2, well do you think it would be more common for them to get a /48 or something?
[15:54] <odin_> well for a single device you probably don't need more than a single usable IP6 address, a host address a /128
[15:54] <Dagger2> I would *hope* so
[15:54] <dirty_d> thats still a lot of addresses for the world i guess
[15:55] <mrlespaulman> It's under problem, but due the occasional sticky key
[15:55] <mrlespaulman> which I can live with
[15:55] <Dagger2> ISPs seem to love screwing over their customers for no reason though, so...
[15:55] <odin_> but for a DSL subscribe at home, they might like multiple subnets, I hope that DSL connections are given /56 (256 subnets possible)
[15:55] <mrlespaulman> When it is recognized, it works great
[15:55] <odin_> rather than the minimum of /64, so that a single home can if it chooses run and have multiple subnets
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[15:56] <dirty_d> these addresses are given by geographocal location?
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[15:57] <dirty_d> if all of the /48 addresses were spread over the entire earths surface, how far apart would each be?
[15:57] <odin_> IP4 addresses are already given out georgraphically, in a fashion its just that when running out you have to fill in all the holes
[15:57] <odin_> but IP6 can leave holes for future expansion and still have plenty of IPs left over
[15:58] <odin_> even if the ISP gives out /56 to every subscriber, how many IPs have more than 16million customers (24 bits worth0 ?
[15:58] <dirty_d> right
[15:58] <odin_> even if they overflow they simply get another (or the next in sequence, if the left holes) range at the //32 level
[15:59] <dirty_d> i wonder if this will carry over when we are in space
[15:59] <odin_> but the global routing tables using BGP are nice and clean, 1 entry per ISP
[15:59] <odin_> 1 IP6 prefix entry per AS
[15:59] <Dagger2> ARIN reserves a /29 for each /32 they give out, so you can expand into that easily
[16:00] <odin_> at the moment a global ISP might have 100s of disconnected prefixes, stuffing up global routing tables
[16:00] <odin_> so there you go
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[16:00] <odin_> a single ISP can expand to have 128million customers and still afford to give out /56 to each, giving each end user the ability to have 256 subnets at home
[16:01] <odin_> before any concern of needing more IPs at the global routing level
[16:01] <dirty_d> i wonder if in 20 years they are gonna be like "damn we should have made it 1024 bits"
[16:01] <Dagger2> you do realize how big 2^128 is, right?
[16:01] <odin_> I bet there are only a handful of ISPs that can claim 128mil customers and most of them get that number by operating globally and in different regions so they would under IP6 split up that customer based into different IP6 /29 already
[16:02] <dirty_d> yes
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[16:02] <Dagger2> then you shouldn't be wondering that
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> odin_, I get a /56 with my home/office ADSL
[16:02] <odin_> thats great, I can't wait to get /56 from my ISP in UK
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[16:03] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> odin_, I'm in the UK too.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> Bethere are supposed to working on it though...
[16:05] <odin_> yeah like everyone has been for the past 2 years of asking
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> Hmm.
[16:06] <odin_> most I guess are waiting for BT to announce it, is thre a consumer/office level service with native IP6 for under 30 GBP/PCM ?
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> Be don't need BT to announce ipv6.
[16:06] <odin_> no but most ISPs do
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> no they don't.
[16:06] <odin_> thats why they dont have it since they piggy back wholesales BT
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> My Internet goes over the BT wholesale network and I get native IPv6.
[16:07] <odin_> only the likes of virgin and services on top of LLU don't use BT
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> BY runs a layer 2 network.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> *BT
[16:07] <odin_> BT also do wholesales DSL
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> to all intents and purposes.
[16:07] <odin_> they are MOST ISPs in the UK
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> My ISP is Entanet.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> the 1's and 0's go over the BT Wholesale network.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> but Enta provide the Internet.
[16:07] <odin_> entanet have been a first mover in IP6 for ages
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> AAISP were arguably the first.
[16:07] <Dagger2> BT present a customer's line as PPP to the ISP, and the ISP can do v6 over that without BT's involvement
[16:08] <Dagger2> AAISP being the example for that
[16:08] <odin_> you are confusing BTs wholesale baseband products with their DSL products
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, that's what I see.
[16:08] <odin_> most ISPs simply buy 1 pipe to BT and have BT do all the local work
[16:08] <odin_> like DHCP
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> anyway, if you want IPv6 from entanet it can be had for under ?30 a month depending on the monthly cap and elevated (or not) service.
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm paying ?25.75+VAT a month for a 45GB monthly cap 8am to 8pm and elevated services.
[16:10] <UnaClocker> 45gb.. heh, I'm downloading a 45gb file right now.
[16:10] <odin_> is the cap only in that period? and is there a way to see what it is currently at each day ?
[16:10] <Dagger2> fairly sure BT don't do DHCP at all
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> it's uncounted, but can be 'managed' outside that times.
[16:10] <Dagger2> aren't IPs assigned by PPP?
[16:10] <Tachyon`> yeah, BT is PPPoA
[16:11] <UnaClocker> Dagger2: No, DHCP assigns IP's.PPP is a protocol.....................
[16:11] <UnaClocker> Great, keyboard issues are back today.
[16:11] <odin_> I don't use PPPoA here, fed up of the PPPoE MTU loss
[16:11] <Tachyon`> the IP address is passed as part of the ppp handshaking
[16:11] <odin_> not sure why Vigor110 don't fix their device to allow baby jumbo frames
[16:11] <Dagger2> and if BT were handling everything then the ISP wouldn't need to buy a line from BT at all, they'd just let BT handle it
[16:11] <Tachyon`> it is NOT DHCP in that situation
[16:12] <Dagger2> UnaClocker: I believe PPP has a mechanism (which isn't DHCP) to assign IPs to the PPP client
[16:12] <Dagger2> much like OpenVPN does
[16:12] <UnaClocker> Haven't used PPP in over 13 years, since giving up dialup internet.
[16:12] <odin_> yes PPP has IPCP
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> UnaClocker, if your internet is via DSL of some sort, then your modem/router is doing the PPP for you.
[16:13] * UnaClocker stands corrected.
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[16:13] <Dagger2> odin_: AAISP have a few servers in London, and BT present customer connections to those servers via PPP, which is L2 -- they can then do v4 or v6 over the PPP tunnel as they please
[16:13] <UnaClocker> I can't say anything about DSL that wouldn't appear to be trolling. ;)
[16:13] <Dagger2> I was assuming that's how it's handled for all non-LLU providers
[16:14] <odin_> my understanding is that the packets run over BTs internal network once IP goes live
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, I think BT at one point could sell you a managed service, but all ISPs I know buy wholesale and run their own LNSs - which are the PPP termination routers, so to them, BT is just a big L2 type network...
[16:15] <odin_> maybe using MPLS or other ways to make them for endpoints
[16:15] <odin_> but sure the PPP phase maybe presented in the way you know of
[16:15] <odin_> s/make/mark/
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> at the end of the day, it's not a big deal, I know I get native IPv6, I know my data goes over the BT Wholesale network, I know my ISP, Entanet is the 'first hop' in my traceroutes - it's their kit terminating the ppp, giving me my IP addresses, etc.
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[16:17] <odin_> so this is why people way for BT to be ready, I think this is part of their 21st century network thing, that everything is IP and a packet, including voice
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> they dropped the voice stuff some years ago...
[16:18] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: i think the dlm killed my interwebs speed
[16:18] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: got a engineer coming out next week >_>
[16:18] <Dagger2> ... I was just pointing out that ISPs don't need to wait for BT to be ready...
[16:18] <aaa801> http://www.talktalkmembers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89406
[16:19] <aaa801> look at my speed drop lol
[16:19] <odin_> of course I maybe completely wrong as the specific details have never been important to me, only the end goal
[16:19] <Dagger2> certainly AAISP are managing it, and that's on 20CN or 21CN as well as Be LLU
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, indeed - AAISP, Enta, Goscomb, IDNET and several others are all managing it over the BT Wholesale network.
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> Goscomb are even managing it over the TalkTalk LLU network too..
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> as well as the Be LLU..
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> But when BT do eventually get their act together, then there will be no excuse for the others not to. ISPs like Zen really surprise me too - I'd have though they've have been up on iut.
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[16:23] <stapper_> Is chrooting an sdcard filesystem a faster way to build something for the pi?
[16:23] <odin_> just looked up bethere's info and looks like noting will happen until Jun 2013 (once a round of upgrades are all completed for everyone)
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[16:23] <odin_> they are 4 months into a 12 month upgrade cycle
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> odin_, as a reatively new ISP they ought to have been doing IPv6 from day 1 )-:
[16:24] <odin_> I suspect BT Infinity 2 will available for me before that date
[16:25] <odin_> and if it supports IP6 I shall defect back to BT
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> odin_, you can get IPv6 tomorrow - why use BT?
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> odin_, if you currently have a Be line, then look at: http://www.goscomb.net/connectivity/broadband/consumer
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> ?26 a month for 200GB
[16:28] <odin_> I support entanet used to have a rack in their colo facility in their HQ for some years
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> well you can get it from Entanet too (disclaimer I'm a reseller)
[16:28] <Tachyon`> heh
[16:28] <odin_> I guess I am too if I had a 42U rack there
[16:28] <Tachyon`> I'm getting 17.5GiB for 18 quid/month
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> not sure about the sutiation where yo have a WLRd line to Be though.
[16:29] <Tachyon`> which might not sound very impressive (and it isn't)
[16:29] <Tachyon`> but it's a three mifi so can take it with me
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> handy :)
[16:29] <Tachyon`> I actually use virgin, the 3 connection is for emergencies
[16:29] <Tachyon`> and my wearable computer if I ever finish it
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> I use O2 or Three for backup...
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> what I hate with them now is that PAYG is not PAYG anymore - it's Use it or Lose it.
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[16:31] <odin_> I like bethere as they don't use PPPoA or PPPoE or anything I can bridge
[16:31] <odin_> what does entaNET delivery on? and BT Infinity 2?
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[16:32] <odin_> I want 3rd party media converter that does not mangle 1500 MTU frames (this rules out PPPoE)
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> odin_, Be delivers on PPPoA over the copper.
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[16:32] <Dagger2> AAISP can do PPPoE with 1500 MTU via baby jumbo frames
[16:33] <Dagger2> for what it's worth. you probably won't like their pricing
[16:33] <odin_> which is bridged via RFC1483 for me
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> the only way to keep those 1500 byte frames is to terminate the pppoa in your router rather than convert it to the usual pppoe that the linkes of the vigor 120's do.
[16:33] <odin_> what is the device, a 3rd party device ? or "their" router
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> I looked at plugin PCI cards for a PC - but they're not cheap )-:
[16:34] <odin_> no I use RFC1843 bridging and I am presented with ethernet interface through a Vigor110, full 1500 byte frames no mangling involved
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> ok, but is it really that important?
[16:35] <odin_> maybe I can do this for BT too, since I probably converted from old USB ADSL1 2/8Mbit device to ADSL2+ device at the time it went to bethere
[16:35] <odin_> 1500 frames are more important than IP6
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[16:36] <gordonDrogon> ok, if you say so.
[16:36] <milonz> hello, i'm using the latest mjpg-streamer (svn) on the latest rasbian (@1GHz). I've got some strange issues, with a yuv webcam; i have a strange issue, my pics are 75% green (only the first 25% are generated)
[16:36] <milonz> on 640x480
[16:37] <milonz> the pics are only generated correctly on 320x240 (i can't go highter without expriencing this issue)
[16:38] <milonz> is there someone who tried yuv cameras ? (works perfectly on a PC box, Ubuntu 12.04)
[16:41] <milonz> i've found some threads about the Raspberry's USB shared bus, which it is too slow, but it doesn't make any sense to me, usb2.0 should be sufficient for streaming svga jpgs across the wifi + capturing at least 15 uncompressed pics ...
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> are you doing anything else with the USB at the same time?
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[16:43] <milonz> ssh and http jpg streaming on a buffalo wifi card, on one port, and capturing webcam on the other (no wired ethernet connection)
[16:43] <milonz> the wifi seems fine (i've dist upgraded the raspian by this way)
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[16:44] <milonz> the http server created by mjpg streamer is accessed by lan, of course
[16:45] <milonz> when i look at the cpu usage, there is between 30 and 90% used, depending on the resolution / framerate i choose
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[16:46] * jelly1 has the feeling raspberrypi is zomg slow with video
[16:46] <milonz> possible =)
[16:46] <jelly1> i blame broadcom
[16:46] <milonz> but i don't understand where the bottleneck is
[16:46] <jelly1> milonz: cpu
[16:46] <jelly1> and gpu
[16:47] <milonz> well, let's assume it's cpu and gpu
[16:47] <milonz> i've got perfect images created at 320x240
[16:47] <jelly1> is this a video stream btw
[16:47] <johang> are you encoding or decoding?
[16:48] <milonz> i'm capturing the frames (i don't know if they are uncompressed or jpg) by yuv method
[16:48] <milonz> and i've encoding them in framerate x jpgs, 80% quality
[16:49] <milonz> i'm encoding, sorry
[16:50] <milonz> but when i choose any resolution higher than 320x240, let's say 400x300, my pics are getting garbled with green pixels
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[16:51] <milonz> at the beginning, i thought that the capture method did get confused by coordinates send by the webcam (but why on raspbian and not on ubuntu ?)
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> USB is half duplex.
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[16:52] <gordonDrogon> and the Pi's LAN is on the same USB as everything else.
[16:52] <milonz> yeah i know
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> so if reading from the camera and sending out via LAN, it's really pushing the USB...
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> and the Pi's basically rubbish with the USB.
[16:53] <jelly1> awesome
[16:53] <milonz> but 60 MB/s should be sufficient for capturing let's say 15 frames at 400x300, and for transmitting the jpgs via HTTP
[16:53] <milonz> ?
[16:53] <milonz> it's USB 2.0 isn't it ?
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> doesn't matter what USB version it is - it's still somewht sub-optimal.
[16:54] <milonz> =//
[16:54] <milonz> so i can garbage my raspberry and forget the "ip webcam" idea ?
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> what's the data rate for taking 400x300 frames? Are they raw frames or compressed?
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> I don't know - it might be possible to be more clever with it.
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> e.g. try each thing separately - read from the camera and just dump the data - see what cpu usage that needs.
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> then send data out the LAN on it's own - see what cpu usage that needs..
[16:56] <milonz> i think that the data rate is uncompressed when capturing (let's say 15 frames, so this should be 5,4MB/s). When transmitting the jpg pics, i don't know, but let's say 1MB/s, this should be inferior
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> Bytes or bits?
[16:57] <milonz> bytes
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> my cheapie webcam sends at about 2.5Mbit/sec per stream.
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> we have in theory 100 Mb/sec to play with on the Ethernet.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> 5.4MB/sec is 54Mbits/sec.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> and remember it's half duplex.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> Try pinging your Pi wen it's reading from the camera.
[16:58] <Viperfang> 43.2Mbits/sec
[16:58] <milonz> i could do this now
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> Viperfang, *10 is an easier calc ;-)
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[16:59] <Viperfang> yup, but when there sint alot to play with...
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> builds in safety, but sure..
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> I really think the Pi's USB isn't up to doing 2 separate high-speed streams like this.
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> which is a shame, but it was never designed to do that..
[17:00] <milonz> i'm about 40% cpu usage
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> Ethernet -> GPU or USB storage -> GPU, never USB in to USB out ...
[17:01] <milonz> 15 frames 400x300
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> 40% just reading the camera?
[17:01] <milonz> no
[17:01] <milonz> reading + streaming the camera
[17:01] <milonz> pings are 1ms and some 40ish ms when slowed
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> ok - but any higher camera resolution and you lose data?
[17:02] <milonz> at 400x300, i already lose some data
[17:02] <milonz> because 1/5 of my stream is green
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> are you doing software YUV to motion jpeg on the ARM?
[17:03] <milonz> yeah, my webcam is "el cheapo"
[17:03] <milonz> is there a mean to trace the usb bus usage ?
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> there are separate analysers.
[17:03] <milonz> i'm interested =)
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> google...
[17:03] <milonz> ok
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> but I suspect they'll cost you more than a decent camera :)
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> other things to look for - in 'top' look at the other spu usages - system, irq, etc. also in a terminal watch -n1 cat /proc/interrupts
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> it might just be that the arm is spending more time servicing the interrupts than it's telling you.
[17:06] <milonz> the system % is about 5%
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> and are you writing anything to SD at the same time? if so, try not to, etc.
[17:06] <milonz> i don't think (at least, if mjpg-streamer isn't writing temp files)
[17:07] <milonz> i'll trace that (this should be an issue)
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm not 100% convinces those numbers are accurate on the Pi - e.g. in the early days the USB was soaking up some 10% of the cpu (or something like that) yet there was no sign of it on top, etc.
[17:07] <milonz> i'll try to benchmark an usb drive
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[17:07] <milonz> ok
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[17:09] <milonz> Every 1,0s: cat /proc/interrupts Sat Nov 3 17:08:32 2012
[17:09] <milonz>
[17:09] <milonz> CPU0
[17:09] <milonz> 3: 456209 ARMCTRL BCM2708 Timer Tick
[17:09] <milonz> 32: 31532669 ARMCTRL dwc_otg, dwc_otg_pcd, dwc_otg_hcd:usb1
[17:09] <milonz> 52: 0 ARMCTRL BCM2708 GPIO catchall handler
[17:09] <milonz> 65: 65631 ARMCTRL ARM Mailbox IRQ
[17:09] <milonz> 66: 1 ARMCTRL VCHIQ doorbell
[17:09] <milonz> 75: 1 ARMCTRL
[17:09] <milonz> 77: 11108 ARMCTRL bcm2708_sdhci (dma)
[17:09] <milonz> 83: 20 ARMCTRL uart-pl011
[17:09] <milonz> 84: 47870 ARMCTRL mmc0
[17:09] <milonz> FIQ: usb_fiq
[17:09] <milonz> Err: 0
[17:09] <IT_Sean> ...
[17:10] <milonz> i've never used this tool before, but i suppose the usb bus is the second line
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[17:14] <jelly1> milonz: pastebin
[17:15] * aaa801 slaps milonz around the face with a pastebin
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> from waht I understand, the ARM has to poll the USB hardware - so to do that, there is a ticker interrupt that wakes it up, does the poll, then goes back to sleep. I think they changed this poll to happen less often, but do move checking during each poll, or something.
[17:15] <milonz> sorry =)
[17:15] <milonz> i'm not used to irc
[17:15] <IT_Sean> it's common sense, really, not to flood the channel.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> but it's still easy to see that usb is taking 1000's of interrupts a second.
[17:15] <dirty_d> i wanna buy a milling machine, damn expensive though
[17:15] <dirty_d> rpi cnc
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, yea, very expensive - even the 'cheap' indian or chinese imports are still expensive...
[17:16] <dirty_d> the one im looking at, X3, is like $1350 shipped
[17:16] <dirty_d> CNC kit is $600
[17:16] <dirty_d> doesnt include electronics
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, ebay 200722135812
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[17:18] <dirty_d> oh im looking for something a lot bigger
[17:18] <dirty_d> this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shop-Fox-M1111-Variable-Speed-6-x-21-Dovetail-Mill-Drill-Column-X3-/121001938216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c2c470d28
[17:18] <datafirm> Im using ArchLinux.. anyone know how to _create_ an AdHoc network during boot with systemd. All the articles I read and things Im trying with netcfg seem to fail because wpa_supplicant tries to connect to the AdHoc network I specify.
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[17:19] <nero> dirty-d: go find an old manual bridgeport that needs some TLC
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, Hehe... hope you have somewhere to put it :)
[17:20] <nero> (something like this: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/tls/3313759446.html)
[17:20] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i dont, lol
[17:21] <milonz> at least, mjpg_streamer isn't doing any temporary files
[17:21] <milonz> (i feared it)
[17:21] <milonz> i'll do some more diags tomorrow
[17:21] <milonz> on the limited usb bus
[17:22] <milonz> thanks guys !
[17:23] <milonz> bye
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[17:25] <nero> I had a chance to buy a bridgeport from a research lab I worked in.. perfect condition, 5hp motor, about $10k in tooling.. they wanted to get rid of the whole thing for $1k.. I had no room, and passed it up.. :(
[17:25] <nero> (Still kicking myself in the behind for that one!)
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I used to work in a university machine shop... had access to tonnes of stuff...
[17:28] <dirty_d> id have absoluteley no place for a bridgeport
[17:28] <dirty_d> i could put an x3 in my parents basement
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> and my family's background in mechanical engineering, grandfather had his workshop with lathe, mill, etc...
[17:28] <dirty_d> it would be a pain though
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[17:28] <dirty_d> i need a house, living in an apt sucks
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[17:28] <nero> if I had to do it over again, I'd make room.. ;) i.e.- get rid of my bathroom for it.. :D
[17:28] <nero> (actually, now I do have room.. which makes it even harder to look back on..)
[17:29] <dirty_d> nero, im sure you can find one on craigslist
[17:30] <nero> dirty_d: not for the deal I could have gotten that old one for.. on CL, a non-working, rotting/rusting bridgeport goes for over $1k.. this thing was in perfect working order (probably $8-10k on CL now)
[17:31] <dirty_d> pulsejet powered rc airplane, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmbnzCV4vUc&playnext=1&list=PL0D7083D637A324E0&feature=results_video
[17:31] <dirty_d> thats just crazy
[17:31] <dirty_d> sounds horrifying
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[17:57] <Armand> Who was interested in my solar Pi project?? I have an awful memory. :(
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[18:05] <alcides> Armand link
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[18:06] <Armand> alcides,
[18:06] <Armand> That's the webserver.. I've only been able to post pics to my facebook group so far.
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[18:10] <Citillara> Armand what's exactly the project (good evening everybody by the way)
[18:10] <Citillara> ?
[18:10] <Armand> Solar powered Pi webservers.
[18:11] <Citillara> err I might sound quite like an old newbie question : but what about when changing powersource when night comes ? :)
[18:11] <Armand> I've got about 28Ah of battery charge. :D
[18:11] <_yac_> ohh i want a solar powered Pi webserver w/ 3g dongle and webcam support
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[18:12] <Citillara> 28 ? means that even if your Rpi draws it's max current (1.5A) it would last 18h ?!
[18:12] <Citillara> what's the size of the battery ?
[18:12] <Armand> Well, it's headless.. network only, so the draw shouldn't really exceed 500ma.
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[18:13] <mumbles> are there any projects out there that do soscial meida feeds?
[18:13] <Armand> I've got 4x 12v@7Ah.
[18:14] <Citillara> makes a really big cluster size for a server
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[18:15] <Citillara> about 15cm width, to 20cm high
[18:16] <Armand> These batteries are about 6cm x 15cm each
[18:17] <Citillara> and second concern if you don't mind : about max write cycles on the sd card ? they're not limitless and assuming your webserer keeps a log and has an sql server, the lifespan maye go short
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[18:21] <Citillara> Dunno if that's a good idea, but using an usb external HD could do the job, no ? Boot the RPi only on the ram
[18:24] <Armand> Citillara, Eventually I'll put the database on a seperate server.
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> the general concensus is that you're highly unlikely to 'wear out' and SD card in the lifetime of the Pi...
[18:25] <Armand> http://www.flickr.com/photos/64022911@N02/8151048415/in/photostream
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> not impossible, but for a few quid, just buy another one.
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[18:26] <gordonDrogon> Armand, yummy batteries, but you really ought to get the colour coding better - 2 yellows off the same battery...
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[18:26] <Armand> Temporary wiring... those are the cables that came with the pack.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> it'll all end in tears ;-)
[18:27] <Armand> I've got 4 batteries, but only enough connectors for 3. -_-
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> wish I lived in a sunny place...
[18:31] <Armand> Me too. -_-
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> 2nd wettest town in Devon...
[18:32] <Armand> London.. *sighs*
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> well we're both far enough south ... if we can get some sun...
[18:32] <Citillara> not any better here :/
[18:32] <Armand> Yeah.. it was clear this morning, but.. I didn't really get the time.
[18:32] <Citillara> didn't saw the sun in 2 months
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[18:42] <Armand> It's often quite clear in winter, unless it's real moody.
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[18:55] <Armand> gordonDrogon, I need to get a lot more of those split spade connectors, some inline fuse holders and 1A fuses.
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[18:56] <gordonDrogon> Armand, halfords.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> Armand, or any car shop.
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[18:56] <Armand> I'm waiting on money. -_-
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[19:00] <Armand> Once I've got a bit of cash, I'll redo the wiring and complete the LV regulators.
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[19:04] <rikkib> Sun Nov 4 07:04:25 NZDT 2012
[19:04] <Blu3Knight> How much faster is Nginx as compared to Apache when serving PHP content (wordpress)?
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[19:08] <jelly1> Blu3Knight: benchmark it
[19:08] <Blu3Knight> jelly1: I currently set up apache on the PI??? very slow I am wondering if it is PHP or the Web Server.
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[19:09] <Blu3Knight> Easy enough to switch over though
[19:10] <jelly1> htop
[19:10] <jelly1> depends on apache config too
[19:11] <Blu3Knight> Apache config is very simple ??? but once I load up nginx I can flip flop both
[19:12] <Blu3Knight> Hmm??? then of course I can enable one of caching systems
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[19:16] <GabrialDestruir> I have a question, is it possible to get openelec to turn off my TV when it goes into screensaver mode or w/e?
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[19:44] <Tachyon`> ah, and another mysteriously corrupt ext4
[19:44] * Tachyon` notes he's now tried no less than four cards
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[19:53] <garduino> .
[19:53] <Armand> ,
[19:53] <IT_Sean> ?
[19:53] <shiftplusone> '
[19:53] <Armand> !
[19:54] <IT_Sean> &
[19:54] <Armand> ?$?$
[19:54] <chithead> ??
[19:54] * Armand needs some. :P
[19:55] <IT_Sean> $?
[19:55] <Armand> Yup.. about $280/?170 to get phase one of Baked Pi complete.
[19:55] <Armand> *phase 2, rather.
[19:56] <garduino> been using arduino... a number a days ago people here told me they are using rp for input/output... told me of some da converters... using attiny, etc. I just want to do some very basic tests today... use some language and whatever input output the rp has to test something such as a tmp/humidity sensor... or maybe turn on a servo motor
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[19:57] <ohhmaar> so newark isnt shipping until december 3rd...
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[20:05] <akk> garduino: Adafruit has some chips and tutorials on DAC/ADC ... I'm working through them myself (also coming from Arduino), so can't report how well they work.
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[20:07] <garduino> akk ...Adafruit... is that a website or a user here
[20:07] <akk> garduino: It looks like analog I/O is still an edge case in the R Pi world, not that much written about it yet.
[20:08] <garduino> or maybe adafruit is the maker of the rp?
[20:08] <akk> garduino: Adafruit.com -- they sell tons of Arduino stuff too (I've always gone there for arduino parts and tutorials).
[20:09] <garduino> will check it out... did you get anyting up and running yet?
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[20:11] <garduino> akk just found a page that might help us both out http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-like-an-arduino
[20:12] <akk> garduino: That one's pretty minimal ... fine for digital I/O, won't help you with analog.
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[20:16] <garduino> akk ... ahhh ok... that is why there was talk here of making da converters with attiny
[20:16] <akk> Yes, it's easy to do if you use an Arduino as an ADC/DAC, of course.
[20:17] <akk> But that's more expensive and takes more space and power, so I've been trying to do it with just a chip (no luck yet).
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[20:18] <garduino> did you already try the attiny 85 ic?
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[20:21] <rikkib> Hmmm console takes a little while to re-spawn when unplugged... Interesting
[20:21] <akk> No -- I've played with teensys a little, not the attiny.
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[20:25] <akk> But garduino, what makes an Arduino so easy to talk to from a Pi is that you can use a USB/serial protocol ... the attiny lacks usb, doesn't it? So how would you talk to it from the Pi?
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[20:26] <rikkib> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/391
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[20:27] <SpeedEvil> serial
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> over the serial port
[20:29] <akk> Does it have enough pins to do that and still have analog I/O pins left? (I'm having trouble finding attiny specs.)
[20:29] <rikkib> pl2303 can be used either way... The one I have connected atm is hooked to P1 tx rx data.
[20:29] <garduino> does anyone know of a way to use a window, within my laptop screen, as a monitor for the rpi?
[20:29] <akk> And is that easier than talking I2C or SPI to an ADC or DAC chip?
[20:29] <IT_Sean> garduino, VNC.
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[20:30] <IT_Sean> Run a VNC server on the Pi, and connect to it via a VNC client running on the laptop.
[20:30] <garduino> vnc... I should have thought of that... ok
[20:30] <IT_Sean> Yes, you should have. :p
[20:31] <garduino> haha... that is better than trying to hook up the rpi to the tv in the living room
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[20:32] <garduino> but I still dont have internet yet on my rpi... trying to get openwrt to work still so I can hotpot from my phone... (none of my usb dongles work out of the box)
[20:32] <IT_Sean> um... it's got an ethernet port, you know.
[20:33] <garduino> will that ethernet port help me get internet access though my router does not have internet yet? I am using my phones hotspot now to connect thought my laptop
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[20:34] <IT_Sean> you only need to connect via the network from the VNC client on your laptop to the VNC server on the Pi. It doesn't have to go out into the world... just through the router.
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[20:35] <garduino> ok that makes sense...
[20:35] <garduino> so I can just download the linux version of vnc and drag it over to the rpi
[20:35] <^robertj> hey all, I bought an Asus USB-N10 USB Wifi Adapter and it's now showing up on dmesg at all, safe to assume that it needs a powered USB hub? Lots of folks seem to have had sucess but didn't explicilty mention theh ub
[20:37] <rikkib> Anything over about 100mA is to much for the RPi it seems
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[20:37] <bbond007> i finally found a backlit keyboard that works with RPi
[20:39] <rikkib> No light in your part of the world?
[20:40] * rikkib has never seen a back lite keyboard.
[20:40] <bbond007> yeah, and i learned to type incorrectly... :)
[20:40] * IT_Sean is typing on a backlit keyboard right now
[20:40] * IT_Sean loves his backlit keyboard.
[20:40] <rikkib> Oh no they are coming out of the woodwork :)
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[20:44] <rikkib> Man the RPi has got me relearning stuff I had forgotten 10 years or more ago...
[20:44] * Armand can't see the point.. when it's dark, I can't see the keys. :P
[20:45] <rikkib> Stuff like serial coms that I thought was dead...
[20:47] <bbond007> so anyway, this logitech unifying stuff works well with RPI.... my other KB did not work at all with the riscos
[20:47] <Armand> I bought mine to learn.. mostly in respect of webservers, but also refresh my electronics know-how.
[20:48] <rikkib> Have MK320 that works well with RPi
[20:48] <rikkib> 35mA dongle
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[20:49] <bbond007> i like this unifying stuff because i was able to combine both kb and mouse to one dongle....
[20:50] <Armand> Quite happy to run mine via SSH.. I don't need anything else. :D
[20:50] <bbond007> and now i need to throw away all these BT keybolards...
[20:50] <rikkib> I have ps2 style KVM
[20:50] <akk> ssh for me too
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[20:51] <Armand> Well, mine only needs to run headless... and, I wanted to reduce power draw as much as possible.
[20:51] <rikkib> same ssh mostly... Plug in the MK320 when needed
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[20:51] <bbond007> i use my RPI on a KVM at work, i even bought a cheapo HDMI->VGA deal to use with the kvm
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[20:52] <rikkib> DVI-D Philips monitor
[20:53] <rikkib> vga for the PC through kvm and RPi direct... Means I have to do button sequence to change between PC's and RPi
[20:53] <bbond007> yeah, thats what i was doing, but for $15 now i don't have to press that 2nd button
[20:54] <rikkib> Can drop to the RPi by keyboard shortcut by switching to an unused kvm input
[20:54] <rikkib> But to get back I have to push monitor buttons which is a pain
[20:56] <akk> I just got a DVI KVM ... so nice, no image degradation like with VGA KVMs.
[20:56] <rikkib> As I run Linux ssh is real convenient.
[20:57] <bbond007> i have been looking for an HDMI kvm, just going to old off on those until the reviews on them start to improve
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[20:57] <cmdrkeen> hello there
[20:57] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[20:57] <rikkib> Hello Commander
[20:57] <Armand> For my webhosts, ssh is the perfect solution.. as I can't imagine having to connect KVM for as many units as I want.
[20:57] <rikkib> Are you keen today :)
[20:57] <cmdrkeen> :-)
[20:58] <cmdrkeen> hi rikkib
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[21:00] <Wolfram74> What ever happened to dave spice and his computer music articles?
[21:00] <Wolfram74> he wrote one in magpi issue 2, but i haven't seen a second one
[21:00] <rikkib> Sun Nov 4 08:59:33 NZDT 2012 One more hour till breakfast... Been up since 7
[21:01] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:01] <cmdrkeen> well.. sadly, i have to ask another more or less stupid question: i have 3 rasperry pi's, and one micro wlan sudb stick. this stick has horrible lags on all of my pi's. every 5 to 10 minutes, the connection goes down for one minute, and i can't find any reason for that
[21:01] <cmdrkeen> has someone made similar expierences with those usb wlan sticks?
[21:01] <IT_Sean> is the stick plugged directly into the pi, or is it in a powered hub?
[21:01] <cmdrkeen> directly into the pi
[21:02] <bbond007> my trendnet works directly plugged in
[21:02] <IT_Sean> it might not be getting enough powah. Try a powered hub.
[21:02] <cmdrkeen> but it is a rev B, so it should be enouth power to get this little thing to work
[21:02] <IT_Sean> do you have a powered hub? Might be worth a shot... if only for testing.
[21:02] <UnaClocker> Model B, I think the revisions are numbered.
[21:02] <cmdrkeen> all of my three pi's are rev B - makes more sense
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[21:03] <cmdrkeen> model B, yes.. sorry
[21:03] <UnaClocker> There have been 4 revisions of the model B..
[21:03] <IT_Sean> Which revision?
[21:03] <cmdrkeen> one B rev 1 and two B rev [NEWES] (these with 512 MB)
[21:04] <UnaClocker> There ya go..
[21:04] <cmdrkeen> NEWEST (damn t key :-)
[21:04] <IT_Sean> I'd try the powered hub anyway.
[21:04] <cmdrkeen> well.. i didn't have one, sadly ^^
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[21:04] <IT_Sean> oh.
[21:04] <IT_Sean> bugger.
[21:05] <rikkib> Local RF interference is one thought
[21:05] <cmdrkeen> so, is it the common behavior for powering probs (i know, once the power doesn't fit, everything could happen)
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[21:05] <cmdrkeen> hmm.. yeah.. there are many WLAN's around here
[21:05] <agrif> would anyone in here happen to know if you can run weston over DRM on the rpi?
[21:06] <Cheery> if an EGL burns and dies, does it leave a log?
[21:06] <UnaClocker> What's an EGL?
[21:06] <cmdrkeen> i could try to switch the channel to a number that isn't used so much
[21:07] <IT_Sean> could do.
[21:07] <cmdrkeen> i'll try .-)
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[21:08] <bbond007> i put everything in my townhome on those powerline adapters and got rid of wifi for stationary PCs... much better... got the powerline switched hubs for $10 each
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[21:08] <vl4kn0> I'm using Archlinux ARM and want to use clang but I always get this error message clang: warning: unknown platform, assuming -mfloat-abi=soft
[21:08] <akk> bbond007: Do those work with Linux?
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[21:09] * rikkib No not power line modems
[21:09] <bbond007> they work with anything. you just plug it into an outlet and then it brings 4 ports...
[21:09] <rikkib> Hams worst enemy
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[21:10] <bbond007> i bought 8 of them, so lets see, thats 32 ports in here...
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[21:11] <rikkib> I tried NE5050 chips... Kept blowing them up...
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[21:15] <cmdrkeen> oooh c'mon! you don't wanna tell me that windows 7 still doesn't support channel 12 and 13 ?.?
[21:17] <GabrialDestruir> Is there any way to test if a tv is CEC compatible? Short of looking up all the information on the tv model, etc?
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[21:18] <cmdrkeen> GabrialDestruir: have you tried to connect the pi with the TV and see if it recognizes it as raspberry pi?
[21:18] <cmdrkeen> if you have physical access to the tv model :-)
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[21:19] <rikkib> CEC = kernel module?? Maybe it will test on load.
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... my TV doesn't have the ability to recognize anything as far as I know.... so I'm guessing no CEC support?
[21:19] <echelon> ok, newark.com just changed its back order date again
[21:19] * rikkib knows nothing about CEC
[21:19] <echelon> gonna cancel the order
[21:19] <cmdrkeen> hmm.. can you post the model?
[21:21] <Cheery> anyone has node.js binary with debug info in it?
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> NS LCD26A
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir> Insignia
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[21:24] <cmdrkeen> http://www.manualslib.com/manual/77387/Insignia-Ns-32l550a11.html?page=43
[21:24] <cmdrkeen> have you tried this already?
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[21:25] <GabrialDestruir> That's not the right model....
[21:25] <cmdrkeen> damnit.. google! ^^
[21:25] <GabrialDestruir> From there I was able to find the right model
[21:25] <GabrialDestruir> but I have 100 pages to go through
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[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> no cec support it looks like
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir> that sucks
[21:28] <cmdrkeen> :-/
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[21:28] <GabrialDestruir> I'll have to invest in one of those infrared USB controller things
[21:29] <cmdrkeen> hmm, but there are cheap USB IR receiver
[21:29] <cmdrkeen> yeah.. okay, you where faster :-)
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[21:31] <GabrialDestruir> Will have to look into the best USB IR Receiver/Transmitter for the Raspberry Pi, I suppose if all else fails I can just get a receiver and use a universal remote xD
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[21:36] <cmdrkeen> and yet another day, you guys solved my problem :-)
[21:36] <cmdrkeen> switching the channels have worked
[21:36] <cmdrkeen> had
[21:36] <IT_Sean> Nice
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[21:37] <cmdrkeen> so, there where nearly 9 different wifi's in the same chan
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[21:38] <rikkib> wifi overload
[21:38] <cmdrkeen> i switched to the value with the least count of "neightboors" (wich was 11, because 12 and 13 are not supported by win??) and now everything runs smooth so far
[21:39] <cmdrkeen> yeah, you're right rikkib every two or three days, there is even a google car around ehre
[21:39] <cmdrkeen> here
[21:39] <cmdrkeen> ^^
[21:39] <rikkib> Bad google
[21:40] <rikkib> They been ordered to destroy data somewhere
[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> In the US anyways, 12,13, and 14 are unsupported.
[21:40] <cmdrkeen> i think they want my pi config ?.?
[21:40] <rikkib> Maybe here in NZ
[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> AT least from my understanding
[21:40] <Cheery> hmm
[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> Also I think you can't legally use them in the us
[21:41] <cmdrkeen> i've heard that too, GabrialDestruir
[21:41] <Cheery> I could play with libudev and evdev tomorrow.
[21:41] <IT_Sean> Aye, make sure yo uare using a LEGAL channel if you are in the states.
[21:41] <cmdrkeen> no, i'm in germany
[21:41] <Cheery> I spent today for writing some image library bindings.
[21:41] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-openil
[21:41] <cmdrkeen> in germany, the most of the stuff you're do is illegal :-D
[21:41] <IT_Sean> heh
[21:42] <IT_Sean> silly germans
[21:42] <rikkib> 5gig wifi is a prob here... We have weather radar. Wifi is secondary and must not interfer
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[21:43] <cmdrkeen> what do you think about an low budged ambilight for the pi that runs over SPI?
[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> Trying to get use to Win8 is weird .-.
[21:44] <cmdrkeen> does it makes sence, in raspbmc for example? because i thought it would be a cool tutorial?
[21:44] <cmdrkeen> -?
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[21:46] <GabrialDestruir> That could be cool..
[21:47] <GabrialDestruir> I'd probably switch from openelc to raspbmc if I could build something like that.
[21:48] <cmdrkeen> well, you already can with just an arduino and some RGB leds
[21:48] <cmdrkeen> take a look at boblight
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[21:49] <GabrialDestruir> True, just incorporate that into the Pi then?
[21:49] <GabrialDestruir> Have it analyze the video stream before it goes out and then send the information as required?
[21:50] <cmdrkeen> it analyzes the frame
[21:51] <cmdrkeen> and send the values to your device
[21:51] <cmdrkeen> i didn't took a deeper look in it yet
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> Right, but if you had it on the pi itself, you'd have to do like a video loopback, so it could look at what it was outputting, wouldn't you?
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> Assuming you were running XBMC on the Pi too
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[21:58] <TheSeven> hm, someone really needs to fix usb on the pi
[21:58] <TheSeven> i just tried to get openelec up and running with wifi, and it's way too unstable
[21:59] <GabrialDestruir> powered usb hub
[21:59] <TheSeven> that definitely isn't it
[21:59] <TheSeven> power is perfectly stable
[21:59] <cmdrkeen> is openelec stable on the pi?
[21:59] <TheSeven> both at the pi and at the wifi dongle
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[22:00] <GabrialDestruir> stablish
[22:00] <TheSeven> cmdrkeen: apart from occasional lags and that well known USB instability it seems fine
[22:00] <GabrialDestruir> I get an occasional crash every now and then
[22:01] <TheSeven> GabrialDestruir: I have a feeling that what I'm observing is a nasty combination of two bugs
[22:01] <TheSeven> one being in dwc_otg and one in carl9170 or the wifi hardware/firmware
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm
[22:02] <Tachyon`> I'm suffering occasional SD corruption with mine and I've now tried four different cards
[22:02] <Tachyon`> has anyone else experienced that? suddenly going unbootable reporting an unmountable fs or w/e
[22:02] * TheSeven had that only once with raspbian
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[22:02] <Tachyon`> three times with raspbian, once with raspbmc now
[22:02] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't had that issue.
[22:03] <TheSeven> any sudden poweroffs or power supply glitches?
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[22:03] <Tachyon`> on one occasion, yes, on two all I did was sudo reboot and it just didn't come back up
[22:03] <TheSeven> some SD cards don't like getting powered off immediately after completing a write
[22:03] <Tachyon`> IE: no loss of power at all
[22:03] <TheSeven> hm, interesting
[22:03] <TheSeven> would be even more interesting to know if the corruption already existed before that reboot
[22:04] <Tachyon`> well, that's not really knowable at this point unfortunately
[22:04] <GabrialDestruir> Well if it's persisting over SDCards, it could be a fault sd slot.
[22:04] <TheSeven> seems unlikely, unless the pi is driving the sd card in spi mode
[22:04] <Tachyon`> if it were a faulty slot I'd expect to see much more of it though, although it can't hurt to resolder it just in case
[22:05] <TheSeven> mmc mode has CRC in the protocol that would detect communication errors, so it could only be a flaky power pin or something
[22:05] <Tachyon`> ah right, hrm, the crc applies to the write address as well as teh data?
[22:05] <TheSeven> yes, to basically everything
[22:05] <Tachyon`> it's behaving as if it's written data to the wrong place...
[22:05] <Tachyon`> ah right
[22:05] <GabrialDestruir> If it were a flaky power pin he'd be able to tell from the uptime
[22:06] <Tachyon`> uptime is fine, has been up to several days and unexpected reboots I would certianly notice
[22:06] <GabrialDestruir> That is it if were randomly shutting off and back on, the uptime would indicate as such.
[22:06] <TheSeven> GabrialDestruir: I mean a flaky power pin in the sd card socket that makes the card do weird things
[22:06] <GabrialDestruir> Oh, right.
[22:07] <TheSeven> anyway, I'd expect any contact issues to be on the card<=>socket side rather than on the socket<=>board side
[22:07] <Tachyon`> oh well, I'll stick it in the pandora and run fsck.ext4 over it, might yield some success
[22:07] <TheSeven> maybe some contact springs not being bent correctly, or some dirt somewhere
[22:08] <Naked> anyone here an expert on SPI?
[22:08] <Tachyon`> ext4_check_descriptors: Checksum for group 32 failed (37658!=0)
[22:08] <Tachyon`> is what it's complaining about
[22:08] <TheSeven> but if everything worked right this kind of problem should be detected and recovered on the fly by retrying the write in question
[22:08] <TheSeven> Naked: I know the protocol, but not the SPI interface hardware or drivers on the pi
[22:09] <TheSeven> Tachyon`: hm, so something got zeroed...
[22:09] <Tachyon`> hrm, fsck failed
[22:09] <TheSeven> could possibly be a power glitch during a write (or wear leveling) in combination with not very robust firmware
[22:09] <Tachyon`> "unable to set superblock flags on /dev/mmcblk0p2"
[22:10] <Naked> TheSeven: okay, then you probably don't know this, but: is it customary to have the SPI "skip" a clock after each data word (8 bits only for RPi SPI)?
[22:10] <Tachyon`> not seen fsck fail before
[22:10] <Tachyon`> ahh, maybe
[22:10] <TheSeven> (I mean card firmware, not pi firmware)
[22:10] <Tachyon`> ah, checking and repairing the second time
[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> Could it be a bad formatting issue?
[22:11] <TheSeven> Naked: seems odd
[22:11] <Tachyon`> hrm, no files seemed to be damaged
[22:11] <TheSeven> there is no dummy clock between bytes usually
[22:11] <Naked> TheSeven: the RPi puts in one
[22:11] <Tachyon`> ah well, pandora says it's repaired it, let's see if it boots
[22:11] <TheSeven> Naked: can you describe this in more detail? ideally a logic analyzer trace? :)
[22:12] <Davespice> hey folks, can anyone here point me in the right direction?
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[22:12] <Tachyon`> ah, it boots
[22:12] <Tachyon`> I think I'll back this up while it's working
[22:12] <Davespice> I have the following two error messages when I try and install any packages on my Pi
[22:12] * TheSeven points into they sky :P
[22:12] <Davespice> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[22:12] <Davespice> E: Sub-process http received a segmentation fault.
[22:12] <Tachyon`> segfault
[22:12] <Tachyon`> that's not a good sign
[22:12] <Tachyon`> how much free ram have you got?
[22:12] <Naked> TheSeven: here's one: http://bayimg.com/JAfDDAaeI
[22:12] <Naked> TheSeven: that's from the SCLK line
[22:13] <Davespice> Tachyon`: 76 MB currently
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[22:13] <Tachyon`> hrm, you're sure it's an arm6 binary?
[22:13] <Tachyon`> oh aye, you'd expect it to be
[22:13] <Davespice> it happens when I use apt-get
[22:13] <Tachyon`> yeah, it shouldn't
[22:13] <Tachyon`> something is corrupt
[22:14] <Tachyon`> have you an alternative sd card you can try a new copy of the image on?
[22:14] <Davespice> okay so probably time to reflash the sd card then
[22:14] <TheSeven> Davespice: if it's perfectly reproducible I'd expect file system corruption of some kind
[22:14] <Tachyon`> er, or that
[22:14] <Davespice> yeah it happens every time, okay cool, no worries, I've got everything on I need to keep backed up
[22:14] <TheSeven> Naked: I see groups of 8 clocks...
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[22:15] <TheSeven> so no dummy clocks between bytes
[22:15] <Naked> TheSeven: yes - and word length is 8 bits - so I am asking if the gap between the groups customary in SPI protocol? all the other links I have seen just have the SPI stream totally gapless
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[22:16] <TheSeven> this is just some delay while it's fetching the next byte from memory or something like that
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[22:16] <Naked> TheSeven: what I meant by skipping was that it leaves one clock pulse out, exactly
[22:16] <TheSeven> it's perfectly valid to pause the clock at any time for SPI
[22:16] <TheSeven> but you aren't required to, so this is up to the implementor
[22:17] <Naked> TheSeven: I know, the master controls the clock after all - I am asking if it is common that SPI devices work this way since I haven't seen any indication of it in the online resources I've found
[22:17] <TheSeven> stuff like this can also depend on the software driver
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[22:17] <TheSeven> it usually depends on operating frequencies of the involved buses and the presence of buffers
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[22:18] <TheSeven> some hardware will be more efficient by having the next byte ready in time and immediately continuing
[22:18] <TheSeven> some other hardware (like the pi apparently) doesn't do that and only loads the next byte after finishing the previous one (or the driver doesn't yet know what the next byte is going to be early enough)
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[22:19] <TheSeven> if there is heavy load on the pi you might get situations where it skips 2 clocks as well
[22:19] <Naked> TheSeven: the RPi hardware has separate 16-byte FIFOs for RX and TX
[22:19] <Naked> TheSeven: this FIFO is filled to the brim at all times in my use case
[22:19] <TheSeven> in that case I'd blame the driver for not using them, or the application (or API) for not allowing to use them
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[22:20] <Naked> TheSeven: so load shouldn't be a factor - but obviously the hardware can take 1 extra clock even to get the next byte from the fifo
[22:20] <TheSeven> that would be some badly implemented hardware then
[22:20] <TheSeven> do you know that the data is already in the fifo?
[22:20] <Naked> TheSeven: no, there is no driver in between, I am writing to the BCM2835 peripheral addresses directly
[22:20] <TheSeven> ok
[22:20] <TheSeven> in that case... weird SPI interface core
[22:21] <Naked> I wonder if there's any way I could get a question about this all the way to Eben, or someone really in the know...
[22:21] <TheSeven> I doubt the details of this are known to many people
[22:22] <TheSeven> not even sure if there's anyone at broadcom who knows, or if they just bought an IP core from some other company
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[22:22] <Naked> TheSeven: yeah, maybe so...
[22:23] <TomSlominski> Hi. My raspberry pi is segfaulting a lot (and I mean, a LOT) on boot. Also, SSH doesn't even seem to be able to start properly.
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[22:47] <shiftplusone> tomaw, which images have you tried?
[22:47] <shiftplusone> TomSlominski, *
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[23:09] <dirty_d> anyone messed with an RTAI kernel?
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[23:09] <TomSlominski> shadeslayer, im onto fixing it now, i think, thanks though
[23:09] <TomSlominski> shadeslayer, sorry, not you
[23:09] <TomSlominski> shiftplusone, im onto fixing it now, i think, thanks though
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> evening...
[23:11] <IT_Sean> ev'ng
[23:11] <shiftplusone> 'morning
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Naked, I see gaps between bytes using the kernel driver fwiw - it's a sort of 'clock stretching' I think the SPI interface is somewhat 'sub optimal' ...
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Naked, it works ok, but could be better.
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[23:35] <Naked> gordonDrogon: in my case, the clock stretching is really a problem, unfortunately :(
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> what is it you're talking to?
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[23:49] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, how feasible is driving stepper motor over GPIO at say 1500 steps per second from userspace?
[23:50] <echelon> i hear there are usb cables that split one connector for power and another cable for data
[23:50] <echelon> anyone where i can find them
[23:50] <echelon> know*
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's do-able, but you'll potentially get jitter.
[23:52] <echelon> i need it for the motorola lapdock
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, you can delay down to 100uS with miniumal cpu impact - need hard loops for less than that.
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, so at 100us you can get 10K pulses/sec.
[23:53] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, do you think the jitter would be bad?
[23:53] <Armand> Damned logmein. >_<
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> the real issue is if you've ramped up a stepper motor to make it run fast - if the Pi pauses for a step or 2, then the stepper might stall and not restart at that high speed.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> if you've not ramped up speed and are running in side the torque limit for the speed then you'll be ok, but not as smooth as driving it from a dedicated microcontroller.
[23:54] <dirty_d> hmm
[23:54] <Armand> I need to buy some 1A inline fuses, and the annual subscription (I didn't know about) has cleared out my paypal...
[23:55] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, can't really do that because I want to run CNC software
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> Armand, go to an ordinary electrical shop! You know, those things made out of bricks and mortar...
[23:55] <Armand> gordonDrogon, no money.. they just cleaned me out. I've had to dispute the transaction.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, that's the issue - if you're driving it inside its limits then you'll be fine - although the cut finish might be a bit rough.
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[23:55] <gordonDrogon> Armand, ah, ok...
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, so if doing a lathe cut - you'd drive it slowly for the cut, then pull back, and drive it fast, ramping up for the return - if you miss a step there, then 'computer crash' has a new meaning
[23:57] <Armand> I've got a 2A fuse that I could use with some spade connectors, but.. it's not ideal.
[23:57] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, the motor isnt really going fast, it would be microstepping.
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[23:57] <Armand> I really want to setup the supply properly and not risk killing my Pi.
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, that's fine for a cut - but you really don't want to hang about on the return ...
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> Armand, or damaging the batterys.
[23:58] <dirty_d> what do you mean?
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, if you take 60 seconds to do a cut, you don't want to wait 60 seconds to bring the took back to the start..
[23:58] <Armand> The batteries are on a regulator, I think they will be safe. (?)
[23:58] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, right
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, so you'd typically drive it faster on th return.
[23:59] <dirty_d> hmm yea
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, maybe people don't bother ramping up these days... Hmmm
[23:59] <dirty_d> they do in all the youtube videos
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> you can make stepper motors fly much faster if you ramp up the speed, but the avalable torque goes down.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> you need to ram them down again, else you skip steps.

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