#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-04

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> and since you use steps for positioning then you can't afford to skip them.
[0:00] <dirty_d> yea the software takes care of all that
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> there is a youtube video of someone driving a stepper off a Pi using the gpio command in a bash script...
[0:00] <dirty_d> you can run a test program to move it all around and back to the same point and check that its actually back to the same place
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> somewhat "sub optimal" :)
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[0:01] <bertrik> I remember seeing tables with acceleration profiles when reverse-engineering a document scanner driver
[0:02] <bertrik> getting those wrong resulted in some funny noises from the stepper motors too :)
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> we were making it up as we went along - 25 + years ago when I last did any serious work with steppers...
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> maybe I need to get some on a Pi and see what happens.
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> Actually, I have an old XY plotter that I keepd meaning to take apart - but it works OK if I could get pens for it - it has steppers and an rs232 interface :)
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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> ah well, bed time..
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[0:15] <echelon> what's all this noise about having to cut the red wire
[0:15] <echelon> can someone please explain
[0:16] <Armand> The BLUE wire!! *runs!*
[0:16] <echelon> how pathetic does a device have to be to require you to cut wires to make it work
[0:16] <Armand> Grab the cat!
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[0:17] <Tachyon`> the pi? no cutting is needed and it has no wires, red or otherwise
[0:17] <shiftplusone> Oh, so it doesn't even come with wires!? </troll>
[0:18] <echelon> to make it work with a lapdock
[0:18] <echelon> i keep reading you have to cut the red wire
[0:18] <_yac_> i remember when i got an electronic experimentation expansion for my Amiga. it had a tonne of wires, all fed off the printer port
[0:18] <_yac_> i think i like the Pi better
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[0:20] <shiftplusone> echelon, the dock is designed for a specific phone, not for a pi. you have to make adjustments to make it work.
[0:20] <bbond007> _yac_, i created a amiga boing ball think for RPi
[0:20] <bbond007> thing
[0:21] <_yac_> aha nice
[0:21] <_yac_> i got a pretty ingenious idea from in here about what to do with ones Pi. going to try to make a solar-powered, 3G-connected, webcam server from it
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[0:22] <Armand> I'm already working on solar. :)
[0:22] <Armand> I have the supply set up already.. except for fuses. -_-
[0:22] <shiftplusone> there are always people working on solar. Yet to see anyone finish it.
[0:23] <Armand> Well, my solar works. :)
[0:23] <Armand> I just need the money to buy the fuses and clips.
[0:23] <shiftplusone> 24/7?
[0:23] <echelon> shiftplusone: well do you know why it's the case?
[0:23] <Armand> It will be..
[0:24] <Tachyon`> well, most people are in britain I suppose, heh
[0:24] <Tachyon`> where the sun is an infrequent visitor
[0:24] <Armand> I've got 28Ah capacity.
[0:24] <shiftplusone> echelon, yes... because it's designed for a phone... the pi is not that phone... therefore they are incompatible devices. I am not sure how much clearer this can be.
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[0:25] <echelon> shiftplusone: that wasn't my question
[0:25] <echelon> i asked why i need to cut the red wire to use the accessory usb port
[0:26] <shiftplusone> echelon, can you link me to where you are reading that?
[0:26] <Tachyon`> red is power (5v) usually
[0:26] <Tachyon`> perhaps there's some reason why they shoudln't be connected together
[0:26] <shiftplusone> echelon, yeah what Tachyon` said. I don't think you have to, but it's to prevent the pi from drawing power and to let the hub supply the power instead.
[0:27] <shiftplusone> (the dock has a hub built in)
[0:27] <echelon> http://rpidock.blogspot.com/
[0:28] <echelon> hmm ok
[0:28] <shiftplusone> echelon, but yes, you're right in that the pi's usb support is not all that it could be.
[0:29] <echelon> i need to find a micro usb female to usb type A male
[0:29] <bircoe> anyone know where to find Crimp Connectors like these in 2x13?
[0:29] <bircoe> http://littlebirdelectronics.com/products/01-254mm-crimp-connector-housing-2x10-pin-5-pack
[0:29] <bbond007> really, this thing dows not have enough cpu to play mp3s with qmmp? anyone know of an winamp type thing that works?
[0:30] <shiftplusone> bircoe, checked element14/farnell?
[0:30] <bircoe> I have
[0:30] <bircoe> well e14
[0:30] <bircoe> migth check RS
[0:30] <shiftplusone> strange... they seem to have everything.
[0:31] <bircoe> they had them in 2x12 (24 pins) then the next jump was to a 36pin version
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[0:31] <shiftplusone> ah
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[0:31] <shiftplusone> so.... why not littlebird itself then?
[0:32] <bircoe> cos the biggest they have is 2x10
[0:32] <shiftplusone> 2x13 sounds like a very non-standard value =/
[0:33] <bircoe> it is!
[0:33] <shiftplusone> maybe get a bigger one and trim it down?
[0:33] <bircoe> which is why it's astounding the foundation chose it!
[0:33] <bircoe> that was my next plan, 2x14 and a few seconds on the bench grinder!
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[0:37] <bircoe> shiftplusone, I think i found what I'm looking for... well close enough anyway
[0:37] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Pcs-2x13-Double-Row-26-Pins-PCB-Female-Header-2-54mm-/140827537501?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c9f9b05d
[0:38] <shiftplusone> Hmm, I am sure you have your reasons for not using a ribbon cable
[0:38] <bircoe> the plan is to make a custom fly lead
[0:39] <bircoe> sort of like this
[0:39] <bircoe> http://a.pololu-files.com/picture/0J1708.600.jpg?1bdf6a4027adaec68cacbcbd5a0af404
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[0:39] <bircoe> plus the ebay ones can be soldered to a PCB!
[0:39] <bircoe> add on boards!
[0:39] <shiftplusone> ah, got it
[0:40] <sambenj> bircoe: like so? http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/k002-slice-of-pi-o/
[0:41] <sambenj> or more http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/slice-of-pi-add-on-for-raspberry-pi/
[0:41] <sambenj> but they also have 2x13 headers - albeit slightly more expensive than those you found on ebay
[0:41] <bircoe> similar... i have soem other ideas tho
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[0:43] <sambenj> i could actually do with a lead just like you posted to split out UART, I2C, power and other GPIO
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[1:11] <schinken> anyone has an idea where i have to connect the wires for the owfs (onewire fs)
[1:11] <schinken> which GPIOs
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[1:12] <IT_Sean> OWFS?
[1:12] <IT_Sean> Never 'erd of it.
[1:13] <schinken> http://owfs.org/
[1:13] * IT_Sean clicks
[1:14] <IT_Sean> How does one normally communicate w/ this stuff?
[1:15] <schinken> i've found this page, where someone uses this with his raspberry (http://raspberrypi.homelabs.org.uk/) but i cant figure out, which wires he uses
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[1:15] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: it's built into stuff
[1:15] <sambenj> GPIO4 schinken
[1:16] <sambenj> from a little googling
[1:16] <IT_Sean> I'm not familiar with it, sorry. ::shurg::
[1:16] <IT_Sean> :p
[1:16] <schinken> sambenj: where do you have the information from?
[1:16] <sambenj> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1225/how-to-use-a-ds18b20-temperature-sensor-in-my-pi
[1:16] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png is this what you're after?
[1:16] <sambenj> 1 wire on GPIO 4 is now supported by official kernel (update from Aug 23) so any distribution that is using it will have this supported. You have to update the kernel however (ensure it's based on kernel 3.2). Then insert wire and w1-therm modules.
[1:16] <sambenj> - from that site
[1:16] <schinken> i think im blind
[1:16] <PredaGR> hello people, while I set 16MB for GPU, Raspbian reports back 232MB, that means it is missing 24MB instead of 16, any idea?
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[1:17] <SpeedEvil> sambenj: pulling up the gpio to 5v may damage the pi
[1:17] <schinken> sambenj: thank you!
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[1:18] <sambenj> schinken: as SpeedEvil says be careful what you do
[1:19] <sambenj> schinken: check out http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro/occidentalis-v0-dot-1
[1:19] <sambenj> "One wire support on GPIO #4 when loaded"
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[1:24] <echelon> ok, i got a female micro usb to 2 male micro usb splitter
[1:25] <echelon> if the raspberry poop's power source draws full 5V from it, i shouldn't have to worry about the accessory port drawing more power, right?
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[1:28] <schinken> sambenj: yes, ill be carefull. i know what im doing with electronics ;)
[1:29] <TheSeven> echelon: your message is totally unreadable
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[1:29] <TheSeven> "accessory port"?
[1:29] <TheSeven> and you're mixing up voltage and current it seems
[1:30] <schinken> sambenj: big thx
[1:31] <echelon> TheSeven: i'm using it with a lapdock
[1:31] <echelon> since the power source on the rpi doesn't handle data, i'm using a microusb splitter
[1:31] <echelon> so i would just have to use one port
[1:32] <echelon> on the lapdock
[1:32] <echelon> but there's supposed to be an issue with the accessory usb port
[1:32] <_deXter_> WOOT!
[1:32] <_deXter_> So I replaced my Microsoft keyboard with a Logitech one, and it's working great! ^_^
[1:33] <echelon> as it tries to draw power as well
[1:33] <echelon> uhm.. were you expecting different results?
[1:33] <_deXter_> Someone should really paste that RPi HCL all over the web
[1:33] <_deXter_> I mean like, everywhere.
[1:33] <shiftplusone> hcl?
[1:34] <_deXter_> Hardware Compatibility List
[1:34] <shiftplusone> ah
[1:34] <_deXter_> I mean, who would imagine that something as simple as a keyboard could have compatibility issues..
[1:34] <plugwash> The trouble with hardware compatibility lists is that just because hardware looks the same and has the same model number printed on it doesn't mean it is the same :(
[1:34] <TheSeven> you mean the list of linux usb device drivers that can handle dwc_otg buggyness?
[1:34] <lunra> I'm actually very surprised my Razer Blackwidow works perfectly.
[1:34] <_deXter_> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Keyboards
[1:35] <lunra> I should add it to the list, hey...
[1:35] <_deXter_> TheSeven, It's got nothing to do with Linux, it's the RPi
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[1:35] <_deXter_> Because the "faulty" keyboard works just fine on all my desktop distros..
[1:35] <TheSeven> "... that can handle dwc_otg buggynes"
[1:35] <chithead> for microsoft keyboards, they need some special kernel option. and the rpi default kernel config has it as module
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[1:35] <TheSeven> buggyness*
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[1:36] <TheSeven> dwc_otg is the pi-specific part that comes into play (and screws things up) here IMO
[1:36] <_deXter_> hmm
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[1:37] <_deXter_> in any case, I hope someone's working on it to fix the issue..
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[1:38] <sambenj> schinken: no problem, glad i could help :)
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[2:04] <bircoe> just finished building the B model of the Lego Technic Supercar... takes a long friggen time!
[2:05] <messenjah> ^^
[2:05] <messenjah> nice
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[2:06] <kjs> Hi Guys
[2:06] <messenjah> hey kjs
[2:07] <bircoe> messenjah, have you seen the new offroad truck?
[2:07] <messenjah> no bro, link?
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[2:08] <bircoe> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9gfG1aQ62Fg/UBIux-E6w8I/AAAAAAAABGg/_6vZ7OfZyyQ/s1600/Lego-Technic-4X4-Crawler-9398.jpg
[2:08] <messenjah> small pic but looks very nice! :D
[2:09] <bircoe> http://technic.lego.com/en-gb/Products/default.aspx#9398
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[2:09] <kjs> ooohhh technics ;)
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[2:10] <messenjah> hehe
[2:11] <messenjah> so still no accelerated linux desktop which would make browsing e.g. much faster?
[2:11] <bircoe> nope
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[2:11] <Tachyon`> no
[2:11] <messenjah> i am a absolute noob on programming but there shoud be a way to use GUI for that or not?
[2:11] <messenjah> :(
[2:11] <bircoe> kjs, i just finished building this: http://db.tt/KUA4BMn3
[2:12] <messenjah> searching forums, some people working on thatt
[2:12] <Tachyon`> is there anywhere a list of all official and not so official distributions for pi?
[2:12] <messenjah> elinux has a list
[2:12] <messenjah> http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=elinux+raspberry+pi+distributions&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Felinux.org%2FRPi_Distributions&ei=EcGVULW8IY3Y0QWHuYCQBQ&usg=AFQjCNGJxjht-XBfUYk1Vag1t6eNt0g3rQ
[2:12] <messenjah> argh sry
[2:12] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[2:13] <messenjah> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[2:13] <messenjah> jo
[2:13] <bircoe> :)
[2:13] <messenjah> but dont think its comlplete
[2:13] <Tachyon`> oh that's a fair few
[2:13] <kjs> bircoe: is that remote control ?
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[2:13] <bircoe> no but is powered
[2:13] <kjs> I remember having the one with the cable, two buttons on the battery unit back / forward ;)
[2:14] <kjs> when i was 8yrs old.
[2:14] <messenjah> kk so iam searching on for GUI using desktop possibilities
[2:14] <bircoe> the doors open and close off the motor and the roof opens and closes as well using the same motor
[2:14] <messenjah> sry bad english bad i am learning
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[2:14] <bircoe> kjs, same... and it took like 8 AA's
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[2:15] <Tachyon`> ah nice, one with enlightenment by default
[2:15] <kjs> bircoe: thats the one!
[2:16] <kjs> constantly used to steal them out of all the tv remotes ;)
[2:16] <bircoe> http://bricks.argz.com/set/5115-1
[2:16] <kjs> buy a mac its faster...
[2:16] <bircoe> that's old school!
[2:17] <kjs> bircoe: i have it some place
[2:17] <kjs> probably in my dads loft with the half a mile of skaletrix
[2:17] <kjs> however you spell it.
[2:17] <bircoe> when i moved out of home i left all my technic behind... mum donated to to my grandparents and now all the great grandkids use it!
[2:23] <echelon> will putting a heatsink on the arm cpu help with performance?
[2:23] <shiftplusone> no
[2:23] <echelon> why
[2:23] <echelon> it doesn't heat up?
[2:24] <bircoe> becuase theres a RAM chip on top of the CPU
[2:24] <shiftplusone> and heating up doesn't really reduce performance
[2:24] <bircoe> you'd only be cooling the RAM which doesn't get that hot
[2:24] <echelon> oh
[2:24] <bircoe> if you could get it to boot at 1.2 or 1.3ghz then maybe!
[2:24] <sambenj> shiftplusone: the opposite in fact :)
[2:25] <kjs> bircoe: they keep asking me for my stuff, im like no - i still use it (one day).
[2:25] <shiftplusone> sambenj, well... Up to a point >.>
[2:26] <lunra> Is there a good reason why these chips -won't- run at xGHz when the same process technology ghas yielded processors that do?
[2:26] <sambenj> shiftplusone: before the magic smoke escapes
[2:27] <plugwash> bircoe, I don't think any lego ever took 8 AAs
[2:28] <sambenj> mindstorms rcs took 6 AAs
[2:28] <sambenj> rcx*
[2:28] <bircoe> may have been an exaggeration... but it felt like it everytime you had to change them!
[2:29] <kjs> christ python 2.7 on centos, is a bitch
[2:29] <kjs> might have to build an rpm
[2:29] <plugwash> sambenj, as has most other lego electric stuff for a long time
[2:30] <plugwash> the old technic control center used 6 Cs and the new small power functions battery box uses 6 AAAs but those are exceptions
[2:30] <sambenj> plugwash: ah, that was the last set i had :)
[2:30] <shiftplusone> lunra, good question actually =/
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[2:31] <plugwash> Oh and there was also a box that took 1xPP3 but that was usually only used for lighting (you could run motors off it but it wasn't generally reccomended to)
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[2:31] <lunra> I was thinking it was to do with RAM but that runs on a different clock anyway
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[2:34] <bircoe> http://bricks.argz.com/set/5115-1, I had this box, they took 6xAA's
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[2:35] <kjs> i wonder if i still have it
[2:35] <shiftplusone> lunra, I am guessing it's to do with the physical things going on... electrons moving, producing heat, maybe transmission line effects (though I doubt it) and so on. But yeah, I don't know. =/
[2:35] <_deXter_> Btw guys, for those experiencing a reboot when HDD or other device is plugged in: http://www2.pmb.co.nz/blog/computers/raspberry-pi-power-wiring-mods-part-2/
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[2:36] <ralphsaunders> Hey, anyone around?
[2:36] <DomasoFan> hi all. just tried the recent raspbian image again with my class 10 sd card. and this is the errors i got when resizing the stuff with raspi-config: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1598766/pi_issue.txt
[2:36] * maicod is looking for a 5V/2A power supply for the Pi with micro usb plug or with a female USB-A socket (I got the right cable). If you're satisfied with yours (I want a 2A) recommend it to me :)
[2:36] <DomasoFan> now the pi doesn't boot. can that be fixed?
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[2:37] <plugwash> maicod, i'm not sure there is much point. The main input polyswitch will go before you reach 2A
[2:37] <garduino> has anyone installed vnc on rpi?
[2:37] <ralphsaunders> I'm building a little internet radio, and I'm wondering what I should do for speakers. Is it better to take a set of speakers apart, or buy the parts and assemble some?
[2:37] * plugwash is sure loads of people have installed vnc on the rpi
[2:37] <bircoe> dexter... that guy looks dangerous with electronics!
[2:37] <plugwash> but isn't one of them
[2:38] <_deXter_> bircoe, :)
[2:38] <maicod> plugwash: ofcourse but I just mean one thats not weak/unstable. what amperage should I look for ?
[2:38] <garduino> ralphsaunder ... are you building quality or lowend?
[2:39] <plugwash> maicod, hmm, not sure, my personal Pi has a 5V 2.5A PSU hooked up to the GPIO header
[2:39] <maicod> DomasoFan: have you got linux installed on a pc/laptop and have an sd-card reader in that computer ?
[2:39] <ralphsaunders> garduino: I'm leaning towards the higher end of the spectrum if my budget can allow it.
[2:39] <garduino> it would really depend on how much money you want to spend on speakers... in some cases it will save you money by buying bulk speakers and taking them apart in other cases you can buy quality components and build your own boxes and crossovers
[2:39] <maicod> plugwash: LOL so thats even higher than 2 A :)
[2:40] <bircoe> plugwalsh, the point is to not use a PSU that is very close to it's limits which results in voltage drop anytime some decent load is applied to it.
[2:40] <shiftplusone> lunra, after some researching it seems like a lot of it is power vs performance tradeoff as well as RF interference and heat dissipation.
[2:40] <_deXter_> ralphsaunders, If you're aiming for the higher end, you should also consider getting a decent USB soundcard, because the onboard one is really crap.
[2:40] <garduino> have you heard any speakers that you feel are good... just find out which parts are in them... and source the parts
[2:40] <maicod> bircoe: thats why I asked if someone uses and can show me a shop with a neat 2A psu
[2:40] <ralphsaunders> garduino: I'm thinking I'm going to go through probably 3-4 prototypes, so bulk might not be an option :/
[2:40] <plugwash> maicod, specifically i'm using the PSU which came with http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/56475-hub-3x-usb-ethernet-blkgrey-psg90189.html
[2:40] <maicod> ag OK
[2:40] <maicod> ah
[2:41] <ralphsaunders> _deXter_: ah thanks, I hadn't considered that
[2:41] <shiftplusone> lunra, but I haven't been able to find what's actually different in the designs other than the clock frequency.
[2:41] <bircoe> maicod, I did this to my Pi...
[2:41] <bircoe> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OvKO0z0TY-k/UFmWQ1TywsI/AAAAAAAALgY/-7zE9T-UndM/s1600/Pi+Power+Mod.1024.jpg
[2:41] <bircoe> run it with a 5v 3A supply
[2:41] <ralphsaunders> garduino: I'll do that, thank you :)
[2:41] <bircoe> works better than any USB based supply
[2:41] <DomasoFan> maicod: yeah i do.
[2:42] <ralphsaunders> _deXter_: Do you have any guidance on what qualities I should look for in a soundcard?
[2:42] <maicod> bircoe: hehe yeah then normal chargers with these round pins will fit ;)
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> ralphsaunders: it should be green.
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> or orange.
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[2:42] <ralphsaunders> SpeedEvil: No blue? :o
[2:42] <garduino> if I am building a project... I look at the toy store or dollar store for things that have the parts... much cheeper than a parts store
[2:42] <garduino> but that is for low end
[2:42] <maicod> DomasoFan: best is you restore a new image to the card and then install gparted on your computer and use that to resize the partition
[2:42] <bircoe> ralphsaunders, I have one of these, nice quality at a resonable price
[2:42] <bircoe> http://us.store.creative.com/Creative-Sound-Blaster-XFi-HD-Sound/M/B004275EO4.htm
[2:42] <ralphsaunders> Thank you bircoe
[2:43] <ralphsaunders> :O Pricey
[2:43] <ralphsaunders> nice though
[2:43] <bircoe> no that's in the low to mid range of the spectrum
[2:43] <ralphsaunders> dang, guess I am going for the very lowend then
[2:43] <bircoe> if you want expensive look at this bad boy :)
[2:43] <bircoe> http://www.asus.com/Multimedia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_Essence_One/
[2:43] <maicod> DomasoFan: gparted works easy
[2:43] <bircoe> they are ~$500
[2:43] <shiftplusone> lunra, ah and I've actually been taught this but forgot, the tiny wires have a capacitance associated with them so there is also that time it takes for changes in voltage levels to propogate.
[2:44] <ralphsaunders> garduino: I think I may be going that route :<
[2:44] <bircoe> and then you start getting into studio gear which runs up into the thousands of dollars
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[2:45] <bbond007> you could probably get the turtle beach micro one
[2:45] <bircoe> this? http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/sound-cards/audio-advantage-micro-ii.aspx
[2:46] <ralphsaunders> That looks good
[2:46] <bbond007> yeah, i have the original one, not trued it yet
[2:46] <bircoe> looks alright, they don't give you any details spec wise tho
[2:46] <bbond007> it has optical out
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[2:47] * kjs is watching the social network
[2:47] <kjs> lol at their perl / wget scripts
[2:47] <bbond007> i have the older one, bought it like 6 years ago. sounds as good as that sandblaster
[2:48] <Blu3Knight> Anyone have nginx running with wordpress?
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[2:48] <Blu3Knight> on the Pi
[2:48] <kjs> no
[2:48] <bircoe> bbond007, have you compared them?
[2:48] <kjs> wordpress is too much of a hog for a pi ?
[2:48] <Blu3Knight> kjs: No PHP is the Hog??? but it works.
[2:49] <bircoe> and more to the point listened using a quality amplifier and speakers?
[2:49] <bbond007> yes, i have both... to me they are the same on my harmon kardon, but that not hifi gear so...
[2:49] <bircoe> interesting
[2:50] <rikkib> Mowed the front lawn
[2:50] <bircoe> with my equipment the X-Fi spanks everything else I have except the Asus Xonar Essense STX
[2:50] <ralphsaunders> What's limiting with the onboard soundcard on the pi?
[2:50] <bbond007> it pops whenever it starts to play a sound
[2:50] <ralphsaunders> wow really?
[2:50] <bircoe> ralphsaunders, the fact that it's inside the SoC?
[2:51] <bbond007> personally, id get a audio extractor for hdmi before buying USB sound
[2:51] <_yac_> you can make a soundcard with a handful of resistors and some pins :)
[2:51] <ralphsaunders> That sounds more attractive, as I won't be using the HDMI port
[2:51] <bbond007> you can still use it
[2:51] <kjs> shaun parker is legend in this film, for doing lines of coke off a 19yr old girl
[2:51] <ralphsaunders> A lot of the USB soundcards look kinda huge too, which is going to be an issue as I need to build a housing for this thing eventually.
[2:52] <ralphsaunders> _yac_: would it be any good though? :p
[2:53] <bbond007> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ViewHD-HDMI-to-HDMI-3-5mm-Analog-Audio-Converter-Digital-Stereo-Extractor-/280922652762?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item41684b805a
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[2:54] <ralphsaunders> So the sound out of that is better than the sound straight out of the Pi?
[2:54] <bbond007> the hdmi sound sounds great
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[2:54] <bbond007> i don't know the quality of that thing
[2:55] <ralphsaunders> Ah ok
[2:55] <_yac_> ralphsaunders: i wouldn't want to listen to music through it :)
[2:55] <ralphsaunders> Might be the better route to pursue
[2:55] <ralphsaunders> _yac_: hehe
[2:55] <bbond007> if i was worried about quality i'd use a HDMI receiver
[2:55] <_yac_> what is your ultimate target for the audio, ralphsaunders ?
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[2:56] <ralphsaunders> In terms of quality, it's never going to play anything over 320kbps. So I guess I want it to sound as good as when I plug a $40 pair of speakers into my MBP
[2:56] <bbond007> sounds fantastic with RPi, i was watching total recall with AC3 on the RPI... movie sucked, but sound was good. kate beckensale is sporty,.,,
[2:57] <ralphsaunders> There's a new total recall? o_O
[2:57] <DeliriumTremens> unfortunately
[2:57] <_yac_> bbond007: that little device is pretty clever, essentially a 2.0 hdmi soundcard, output-only :)
[2:57] <bbond007> Colin Farell
[2:57] <ralphsaunders> That little hdmi extractor is great int terms of form factor for me
[2:58] <bbond007> yeah, keep in mind its not a decoder, so it won't do multi channel content like DTS or AC3
[2:58] <passstab> hi i'm trying to make a class on the RPI
[2:59] <ralphsaunders> I'd just need the audio out so I could plug some speakers in
[2:59] <Blu3Knight> Anyone know of a good PHP cache system?
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[2:59] <passstab> can anyone recommend sample python scripts?
[2:59] <_yac_> Blu3Knight: Varnish
[2:59] <_yac_> not sure if its lightweight enough to run on the pi though
[2:59] <ralphsaunders> for i in range(1, 100): print "python ftw"
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[3:01] <bbond007> it seems to me that the sound on the headphone clicks and pops whenever it starts, but is it really that bad? i had not noticed... i use HDMI sound...
[3:02] <ralphsaunders> I'll build the first prototype with the onboard card I think, HDMI for the final one
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[3:02] <passstab> specificly i need scripts that are well commented
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[3:03] <ralphsaunders> passstab: what are you looking to do? Learn python in general, or build something with it?
[3:04] <passstab> teach a class to learn python in general
[3:04] <ralphsaunders> hmm
[3:06] <ralphsaunders> Have you worked with other programming languages before passstab ?
[3:06] <passstab> enough to teach :D
[3:06] <maicod> hahah the teacher should know it the best ofc
[3:06] <bbond007> you need to learn like i did, 6502 assembly
[3:06] <maicod> not 'minimal'
[3:07] <ralphsaunders> Just trying to find a really simple snake game
[3:07] <ralphsaunders> Snake's visual enough and simple enough that it makes for a decent intro to a language
[3:07] <passstab> preferably sans GUI
[3:07] <maicod> bbond007:LDA#$01,STA$8000 LOL
[3:07] <bbond007> these python games that came with my RPI either suck or they just crash. i don't think i want to learn that language.
[3:07] <ralphsaunders> It'd probably be using the pygame library
[3:08] <ralphsaunders> bbond007: Python is a great language
[3:08] <bbond007> then why do these games instantly crash?
[3:08] <passstab> i think text stuff should be good
[3:08] <maicod> bbond007: that was assembly :)
[3:09] <bbond007> maybe its a great language, so is cobol for some things. i just would not want to buy a commercial game written in it
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[3:09] <ralphsaunders> bbond007: Heh, it's a high level language. You wouldn't write a 3D commerical game in it
[3:10] <bbond007> well, these "Python Games" on the desktop, of the 4 or so i tried 1 worked and it sucked...
[3:11] <ralphsaunders> passstab: This may be useful for a more advanced class, no comments in the code but it's very straight forward. http://www.pygame.org/projects/20/169/
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[3:11] <ralphsaunders> bbond007: Python is more useful for web stuff really
[3:12] <ralphsaunders> and embedded systems
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[3:13] <ralphsaunders> passstab: as an intro this'll be useful. http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/introduction.html. Maybe write a little programme to take the students through that takes an input and returns some information
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[3:15] <bbond007> got a new illuminated KB that works with RPI 100% finally :)
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[3:21] <garduino> I am using my rpi on my lg tv... not as easy and clear as I would like it to be... I went to preferences/ Monitor settings ... it responds Unable to get monitor information
[3:22] <bbond007> garduino, i have a lg tv too.. make sure you set it up in the menu as a 'PC' makes a difference
[3:22] <bbond007> and get did of the overscan in the config file probably.
[3:22] <garduino> oh... ok I will look for that option
[3:23] <bbond007> yeah, if you don't do PC it will crop the picture and throw it off and also it will have more lag
[3:23] <maicod> garduino:http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5851
[3:23] <garduino> the config file on the rpi is set for something called overscan?
[3:23] <bbond007> yeah...
[3:23] <garduino> I have to learn about where the config file is then ... just a text file to edit?
[3:24] <bbond007> /boot/config.txt
[3:24] <maicod> sudo nano /boot/config.txt
[3:24] <garduino> great... will try to set my lg now then edit the config
[3:24] <bbond007> you prolly want the setting disable_overscan=1
[3:24] <garduino> maicod... will check that link too thanks
[3:24] <maicod> yw
[3:25] <UnaClocker> You're not using the yellow composite connector to connect it to your TV, are you?
[3:25] <garduino> nope...
[3:25] <garduino> hdmi
[3:25] <bbond007> yeah, i was comparing my Rpi to my notebook computer as far as quality and its about the same
[3:25] <maicod> good :)
[3:25] <bbond007> on the lg tv
[3:26] <ralphsaunders> How much power can I draw from the Pi? (assuming the USBs are running off of a powered hub)
[3:26] <bbond007> i hearing it depends on the revision,,,
[3:26] <UnaClocker> If the USB's are running off a hub, how are you drawing power from the Pi?
[3:26] <maicod> he's connecting the hair drier to it :)
[3:26] <garduino> looks like I dont have a pc mode... I think I saw a game mode in the past
[3:26] <maicod> j/k
[3:27] <ralphsaunders> UnaClocker: powering speakers from it
[3:27] <bbond007> I have seen USB coffee warmers
[3:27] <maicod> bbond007: LOL
[3:27] <bbond007> and beverage coolers
[3:27] <maicod> and mini fridges
[3:27] <UnaClocker> From the headphone jack? That's going to be less than a watt, most likely.
[3:27] <bbond007> i bet dealextreme sells them.
[3:27] <maicod> sure does :)
[3:27] <maicod> china suckers :)
[3:27] <UnaClocker> Yeah, but he already said the USB devices are getting power from the hub, including coffee warmers.. ;)
[3:28] <ralphsaunders> UnaClocker: hdmi would be about the same?
[3:28] <maicod> and hair dryers :)
[3:28] <bbond007> http://www.welookdoyou.com/fufme/index.shtml.html
[3:28] <UnaClocker> HDMI is a digital signal that gets decoded, there's not even enough power exchanged to light an LED, typically.
[3:29] <bbond007> thats going to use a lot of power :P
[3:29] <ralphsaunders> So really, my only option is going to be some tiny mylar speakers
[3:29] <garduino> just use external power for your speakers
[3:30] <ralphsaunders> external power for the pi... and the hub... and the speakers
[3:30] <ralphsaunders> that's becoming a bit of a mess :p
[3:30] <UnaClocker> I have some USB powered speakers, use power from the hub..
[3:30] <maicod> bbond007: omg http://www.welookdoyou.com/fufme/faq-use.html
[3:30] <UnaClocker> They sound like crap though.
[3:30] <bbond007> maybe you can run a lot of that stuff off one PS
[3:30] <ralphsaunders> Unless I could build a circuit that'll take power and split it?
[3:31] <bbond007> get a 8 port USB hub with 2A, then power everything from the USB hub....
[3:32] <bbond007> i did try that, it worked fine
[3:33] <bbond007> i used one port to power the pi, one 2 to power a HD...
[3:33] <ralphsaunders> I think the hub I've got can do that
[3:33] <ralphsaunders> I'm just wondering if I'll be able to move away from that down the road
[3:34] <ralphsaunders> Everything running off the usb means it'll be quite a big clunky object
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[3:34] <bbond007> what are you trying to make, a ipod?
[3:34] <ralphsaunders> Internet radio
[3:35] <zkjellberg> Howdy. Anyone here build the XBian alpha?
[3:35] <UnaClocker> heh, it'll make a good proof of concept while you engineer a smaller solution.
[3:35] <ralphsaunders> Wonder how hard it is to take a component speaker and wire a USB onto the end of it
[3:35] <ralphsaunders> without setting everything on fire
[3:36] <bbond007> depends on your soldering skills i suppose...
[3:37] <ralphsaunders> I fix my guitar regularly
[3:37] <ralphsaunders> I imagine it may be a bit smaller though
[3:37] <zkjellberg> Rather, I am trying to build XBian and the final command 'depmod -a' fails with the following ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/3.2.27+: No such file or directory FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory. | There is a folder /lib/modules/3.2.27/ but I'm not sure what is wrong.
[3:37] <garduino> can I get to boot/config through the fileexplorer?
[3:38] <bbond007> you can get to it by putting the card in your pc and editing it with notepad if all else fails
[3:38] <garduino> file manager that is
[3:39] <garduino> ahhh I could do that
[3:39] <bbond007> if you click on it it will bring it up in the default editor though
[3:40] <bbond007> just the permissions
[3:40] <garduino> and good reminder that I can edit files that way... but would sure like to learn how to do it in linux... this will all take time I know
[3:40] <garduino> root terminal is the one to use right
[3:40] <bbond007> you don't want to learn form me, i'd just use "joe"
[3:41] <bbond007> sudo joe /boot/config.txt
[3:41] <bbond007> make change
[3:41] <bbond007> ctrl-k x
[3:41] <maicod> bbond007: is joe easier than nano?
[3:41] <bbond007> i like it, its a wordstar clone, and you can get a help screen with control-k h
[3:42] <maicod> aha oh its for X ?
[3:42] <maicod> I prefer console :)
[3:42] <bbond007> no, console
[3:42] <maicod> oh ok
[3:42] <UnaClocker> I love nano..
[3:42] <maicod> me too
[3:42] <maicod> UnaClocker: mcedit is goo too
[3:42] <bbond007> i like the editor, but if i was used to nano i'd just keep using that
[3:42] <maicod> good
[3:42] <maicod> ofc bbond007
[3:42] <maicod> u use what u learnt to use
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[3:43] <bbond007> yeah
[3:43] <maicod> sometimes it sucks cause pico is now nano :)
[3:43] <bbond007> and i had to use wordstar, so when i started using linux i found joe
[3:43] <maicod> but the Pi has alias for it
[3:43] <garduino> sudo joe does not work for me... command not found
[3:44] <bbond007> sudo apt-get install joe
[3:44] <maicod> oh its not installed then. you use raspbian wheezy ?
[3:44] <ralphsaunders> oh my, it's 2:44 am
[3:44] <garduino> yes
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[3:44] <maicod> ok do what bbond007 said
[3:44] <garduino> rasvbian wheezy... was the recomended for beginner
[3:44] <maicod> just hit y if it asks y/n question :)
[3:44] <maicod> its that one !
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[3:45] <bbond007> control K then H for help
[3:45] <ralphsaunders> reminds me of an episode of the simpsons..
[3:45] <bbond007> then everything is control k something
[3:46] <bbond007> you can edit 2 files split screen and move between them with ctrl-k n
[3:46] <bbond007> thats kinda cool
[3:47] <ralphsaunders> use vim already
[3:47] <bbond007> :)
[3:47] <UnaClocker> bbond007: Yeah, that's a cool feature.
[3:47] <bbond007> vim started on amiga
[3:47] <ralphsaunders> aw yiss
[3:47] <maicod> vim=vi ?
[3:47] <ralphsaunders> Well, vi I'd assume
[3:47] <bbond007> ya, vim is more of the mainstream vi now i think
[3:47] * maicod never understood how to quit it :)
[3:47] <ralphsaunders> pretty much
[3:47] <ralphsaunders> :q
[3:48] <maicod> yeah I know now :)
[3:48] <ralphsaunders> :p
[3:48] <maicod> it has a help screen now huh
[3:48] <bbond007> at least its standard on most distros, i always have to install joe
[3:48] <maicod> it shows the quit command on that
[3:48] <bbond007> i know enough to edit something in vi though
[3:48] <maicod> I've never liked it
[3:49] <maicod> too rudimentary
[3:49] <bbond007> it can do a lot of stuff...
[3:49] <maicod> I believe ya
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[3:50] <bbond007> like emacs... i remember this dude telling me how he was able to read his email with it...
[3:50] <maicod> christmas stuff is sold out at DX :)
[3:50] <UnaClocker> I spent all day trying to manhandle python into being a procedural language.. I think I failed, as my app doesn't work.. heh..
[3:50] <ralphsaunders> emacs can do anything if you programme it to
[3:50] <UnaClocker> I hate python..
[3:50] <ralphsaunders> *program
[3:51] <ralphsaunders> wtf UnaClocker ?
[3:51] <ralphsaunders> python ftw
[3:51] <bbond007> i'm like, i just use a separate email and editor :P
[3:51] <UnaClocker> I just want it to read a couple temp sensors, and run a couple stepper motors.. It's a 5 minute job on an Arduino???
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[3:52] <ralphsaunders> Wrong tool for the job probably
[3:52] <bbond007> why not use c?
[3:52] <UnaClocker> I know I'm a tool, you don't have to rub it in.
[3:52] <UnaClocker> ;)
[3:52] <ralphsaunders> :p
[3:53] <maicod> UnaClocker: why not use your arduino then :P
[3:53] <lunra> shiftplusone: Oh my, I'm so sorry, I didn't see that you had replied... thankyou for the information!
[3:53] <UnaClocker> Arduino with ethernet costs more than a Pi.. :)
[3:53] <bbond007> another obscure editor i liked to use is xwpe which is a boaland IDE clone, like turbo c, turbo pascal
[3:53] <bbond007> borland
[3:54] <UnaClocker> Mmm, I loved Turbo Pascal.
[3:54] <maicod> UnaClocker: yeah the shields cost dearly
[3:55] <bbond007> UnaClocker, i did apt-get xwpe, but it not use the mouse, i dunno if i needed GPM or something installed... its no fun without mouse support
[3:55] <UnaClocker> I never used a mouse in TP..
[3:56] <UnaClocker> Tap Alt, tap F, tap S, Alt, F, x...
[3:56] <bbond007> oh, you shopuld totally check it out then... its a pretty convincing clone, i used to even use it with debugging
[3:57] <UnaClocker> I just started messing with Geany this week, I'm digging it.. Kinda wondering why the Arduino IDE sucks so bad after using it..
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[4:00] <garduino> what the heck... on my rpi... if I press the @ key I get quote marks... if I press " I get the @ sign... whats up with that?
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[4:01] <ralphsaunders> keyboard layout
[4:02] <maicod> use raspi-config and set your country's keyboard
[4:02] <bbond007> you have a UK layout. fis it in rasp-conf
[4:02] <bbond007> optionally you could buy a UK kayboard
[4:02] <garduino> ya... that the same boot/config.txt file
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[4:04] <garduino> by the way... I read that youtube videos will not work on the rpi yet... does that also mean that netflix will not work?
[4:05] <SpeedEvil> Netflix won't
[4:05] <bbond007> maybe netflix would work under android
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[4:06] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[4:06] <bbond007> netflix uses msft silverlight, not html5
[4:06] <garduino> yes it work under android phone... you mean I can install andoid os on rpi
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[4:07] <UnaClocker> I can't even get YouTube to work on Chromium.. Googles own browser and Google's video service can't identify each other and just work.
[4:08] <zkjellberg> Android has an official YouTube app
[4:08] <zkjellberg> Sorry, Netflix app that isn't Silverlight
[4:08] <bbond007> it works on some android devices that support DRM. anyway there is supposed to be a 4.0 android for RPi...
[4:08] <bbond007> yeah, its an app
[4:08] <zkjellberg> Android 4.0 build is poor due to graphic driver issues I hear.
[4:08] <zkjellberg> Not sure if the latest open source news about the graphics will improve that.
[4:08] <zkjellberg> Some said it still is missing badly needed kernel modules to really get Android functional
[4:09] <UnaClocker> Android is a bastardization of Linux.
[4:09] <UnaClocker> Like putting a fat suit on an olympic athlete and then sending them off to swim..
[4:09] <bbond007> but on mac or pc it uses sliverlight and as far as i know it does not support linux at all.
[4:10] <zkjellberg> Yup, no Linux support. They were supposed to make an HTML5 client to fix that but just never happened.
[4:11] <garduino> if netflix works on android which is linux... why wont it work on linux (which is linux)
[4:11] <bbond007> zkjellberg, yeah, i don't know about the state of android on the RPI, but that is probably the best bet for netflix, and even then they support devices on a cace by case basis depending on the DRM, so its a real long shot. i was able to get it working on a nook color
[4:11] <UnaClocker> Android isn't really Linux, they just want you to think it is.
[4:11] <UnaClocker> It's less Linux than iOS is BSD Unix.
[4:12] <zkjellberg> garduino: Android features DRM for Netflix which is why they support it.
[4:13] <bbond007> some specific android vendors feature DRM
[4:14] <bbond007> i think thats the whole point of why its only on some devices
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[4:14] <garduino> I thought there was also full install version of linux for the android as well
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[4:33] <Hodapp> garduino: I do believe so
[4:33] <Hodapp> garduino: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
[4:33] <Hodapp> garduino: it functions just with a chroot, I believe
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[4:49] <garduino> while I am in config.txt I see there is an option regarding overclocking... "uncomment to overclock" .. is this something safe to do?
[4:50] <Benighted> up to overvoltage 2,
[4:51] <Benighted> 6 is pushing it a bit, but think firmware is built to prevent damage when overclocking
[4:51] <garduino> not sure what that means... says the default is 700 and the commented freq is 800 ... would other suggest this setting?
[4:52] <garduino> and I see nothing in the config file that will fix my kepy
[4:52] <garduino> keyboard issue where the @ and " are reversed
[4:52] <garduino> or exchanged is a better word
[4:53] <bbond007> garduino, run rasp-config change keyboard
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[4:53] <garduino> do I run rasp-config from command line?
[4:54] <bbond007> yes
[4:54] <bbond007> sudo raspi-config
[4:54] <garduino> ahh ok it is up...
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[5:06] <garduino> thanks to those who advised me to edit the config.txt file for monitor... to remove the outside black lines... that worked well...
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[5:06] <garduino> and thge raspi-config fixed my keyboard issue
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[5:38] <zynx> Has anyone here setup raspbmc and retropie?
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[5:49] <garduino> teach
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[5:56] <kjs> ?
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[6:20] <jmadero> hi all, any samba share people around?
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[6:24] <bircoe> i know a bit...
[6:25] <jmadero> bircoe: my question is quite simple ;)
[6:25] <jmadero> so I'm using xbian, all I want is to share my external to user "joel"
[6:25] <jmadero> because that user is on xbian and on my laptop
[6:25] <jmadero> so I thought that just having user = joel would be enough, but it won't connect still
[6:26] <bircoe> paste your config to pastebin or something...
[6:26] <zynx> anyone ever seen this? error while loading shared libraries: libEGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - it's xbmc related and arose after installing retropie
[6:27] <jmadero> how can I copy it all (sshing into the machine, using nano)
[6:27] <bircoe> cat the file instead
[6:28] <knoppies> bircoe, only if his terminal supports scrollback.
[6:29] <jmadero> bircoe: http://pastebin.com/Jacm9JDM
[6:29] <bircoe> true
[6:29] <bircoe> mostdo
[6:29] <jmadero> mine does ;)
[6:30] <bircoe> looking
[6:30] <jmadero> you can see in /media/usb share
[6:30] <jmadero> I can see the drive, just can't browse or do anything with it
[6:30] <jmadero> I hate that xbian doesn't respect drive labels
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[6:31] <bircoe> replace users with:
[6:31] <bircoe> valid users = joel
[6:31] <_deXter_> So what DE/WM do you all use? I'm using OpenBox at present but would like something even lighter...
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[6:32] <bircoe> dexter, on the Pi... none!
[6:33] <jmadero> rebooting now, time to test it out
[6:33] <_deXter_> bircoe, No X?
[6:33] <bircoe> nope
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[6:33] <bircoe> cli only... i have no use for de ON A pI
[6:33] <_deXter_> ah, well that's different. :P
[6:34] <bircoe> I like dual monitors too much to use a Pi as a desktop machine :)
[6:35] <jmadero> bircoe: no good, still not connecting
[6:35] <bircoe> beats me then :)
[6:35] <bircoe> straight up not connecting or connecting but not showing your share?
[6:36] <jmadero> I see the share in my file manager, asks for username and password, doesn't accept it
[6:39] <bircoe> does the user joel exist on your Pi?
[6:39] <jmadero> bircoe: yeah, verified by sshing using joel as user
[6:39] <jmadero> the fact that xbian uses root as default is kind of lame ;)
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[6:53] <jmadero> got it!, well kind of, right now it's public
[6:53] <cyclick> jmadero, at least that is an easy fix
[6:53] <cyclick> (root)
[6:54] <jmadero> I still am really hesitant to have samba share automount in my fstab....seems so unsafe
[6:55] <cyclick> jmadero, I have mine automounting and it is giving me issues when the share becomes unavailable I get 15+ minutes delays and I am not sure how to fix it yet
[6:55] <jmadero> cyclick: I'll let you know if I have the same problem soon enough
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[6:56] <cyclick> for example if I mount //server/dir to /home/pi/media/dir1, and I type ls /home/pi/media after the share got disconnected that is when I get the 15 minute delay
[6:57] <cyclick> (using cifs)
[6:58] <cyclick> there must be a timeout that is missing somewhere
[6:58] <jmadero> so server/dir is the pi?
[6:58] <jmadero> no you're mounting something to the pi?
[6:58] <jmadero> I'm mounting the pi to my laptop, think you're doing reverse
[6:58] <cyclick> yes mounting to the pi
[6:59] <jmadero> I'm using my pi as my server
[6:59] <cyclick> oh ok
[7:00] <cyclick> what do you use for storage on your pi server?
[7:00] <jmadero> shoot, changed a minor thing and now it's failing again
[7:00] <jmadero> two externals going through a hub
[7:00] <cyclick> ok
[7:00] <jmadero> only other problem is xbian refuses to respect drive labels
[7:00] <jmadero> so they mount as usb and usb1
[7:00] <jmadero> which sucks
[7:00] <cyclick> did we just gain 1 hour
[7:01] <jmadero> I'll gain it at 2am I think
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[7:01] <cyclick> my clock just rolled back.. I'm eastern time
[7:02] <jmadero> ah then you're at 2am
[7:02] <jmadero> that's weird
[7:02] <rikkib> Sun Nov 4 19:01:52 NZDT 2012
[7:02] <jmadero> so you're now only 2 hours ahead of me
[7:02] <jmadero> haha
[7:02] <jmadero> I'm in San Diego
[7:02] <jmadero> you anywhere near that storm?
[7:03] <cyclick> no the storm avoided us in Florida (just had a little wind)
[7:04] <cyclick> I cant believe a category 1 did this much damage
[7:05] <jmadero> pretty crazy from what I've read
[7:05] <cyclick> ~100 dead I think
[7:06] <piney0> it is, i'm in ocean county nj
[7:06] <jmadero> piney0: sorry your state got hit so hard
[7:06] <piney0> running on generator atm
[7:06] <jmadero> pretty insane
[7:06] <piney0> it's not bad at all where I am, but 20 minutes away, i can't believe it
[7:07] <cyclick> piney0, how long have you been out of power?
[7:07] <piney0> since monday night at 7:55pm
[7:07] <cyclick> did they give you a timeline for when you'll get it back?
[7:07] <jmadero> from the news it seems like your governor is doing his job, you'll have it back soon
[7:07] <piney0> borrowed a generator from a friend tonight.
[7:08] <jmadero> he looked exhausted during his interview on the 2nd day
[7:08] <piney0> they say wednesday
[7:08] <cyclick> they were on top of things for this hurricane it looks like
[7:08] <jmadero> why would the first one here work but the second one wouldn't: http://pastebin.com/M47mCCrt
[7:08] <cyclick> but still lots of work ahead
[7:09] <piney0> yea, way better with this than katrina
[7:10] <piney0> the're calling for another storm with 50-60mph winds middle week here, so thats the next big hurdle
[7:10] <jmadero> piney0: hopefully it misses
[7:10] <jmadero> or slows down
[7:10] <piney0> yea, agreed
[7:15] <cyclick> jmadero, those 2 have the same path?
[7:15] <jmadero> I just changed the 1st one to the 2nd one, I was able to browse and what not fine with 1st config, second one I couldn't
[7:15] <jmadero> I just want it to not be public
[7:16] <jmadero> paranoid for safety ;)-
[7:16] <jmadero> basically I want user "joel" to have permissions, no one else
[7:16] <cyclick> ok, I get it now
[7:17] <jmadero> I can feel that I'm close, just can't get the last piece of the puzzle together
[7:17] <cyclick> you have the same user in windows?
[7:17] <jmadero> I don't use Windows ;)
[7:17] <jmadero> I have the same user on my laptop nix machine yes
[7:18] <cyclick> why do you use samba then?
[7:18] <jmadero> I know I can avoid samba, just comfortable with it ;)
[7:18] <jmadero> I was going to try openssh but wasn't sure if Pi coudl do it
[7:18] <cyclick> if you are confortable with it then why do you need help;)
[7:18] <jmadero> what I want is my machine to mount the externals identical to the pi
[7:18] <jmadero> and then share the .xbmc folder
[7:18] <cyclick> ssh works great with the pi
[7:18] <jmadero> so that I can go between living room and bedroom with shows/movies and what not
[7:19] <jmadero> so you'd recommend openssh to mount them?
[7:20] <cyclick> look at NFS or sshfs
[7:20] <jmadero> ah, then it'll wait until tomorrow
[7:20] <jmadero> damn, really thought that this would be easy, I'm going to write a how to for the pi when I get some time
[7:21] <jmadero> piney0: good luck to you
[7:21] <jmadero> cyclick: maybe tomorrow I'll be asking more questions
[7:21] <cyclick> if you really samba I'm sure you are very close
[7:21] <jmadero> mount drives identical, mount pi's .xbmc to my laptops .xbmc
[7:21] <jmadero> then I should be able to stop a movie in the living room, and continue it on my laptop
[7:22] <cyclick> but I find it strange to use samba if you have no windows machine
[7:22] <jmadero> in the bedroom
[7:22] <jmadero> if I'm not mistaken
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[7:22] <jmadero> cyclick: yeah, I used to go between Windows and Nix, my wife used to use Windows
[7:22] <jmadero> now she's also a Linux user
[7:22] <jmadero> last few years
[7:22] <jmadero> never switched away from samba
[7:22] <_deXter_> Anyone here use OpenELEC?
[7:24] <cyclick> jmadero, I havent used xmbc very much.. I didnt know it could do that, I might try it thanks;)
[7:25] <cyclick> _deXter_, you should ask your real question
[7:26] <jmadero> cyclick: it's just an idea that came to mind ;) I mean the config holds the library data and current play position
[7:26] <_deXter_> cyclick, My real question is, does OpenELEC have a built-in auto updater or do I have to manually download the image every time..
[7:26] <jmadero> so I don't see why it wouldn't work
[7:27] <cyclick> jmadero, there should be no problem if your player can accept those parameters as arguments..
[7:28] <jmadero> cyclick: well I'll experiment more tomorrow, keep putting off my law school personal statement....haha off to bed now
[7:28] <jmadero> night all
[7:28] <cyclick> night
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[7:29] <cyclick> dexter, I wasnt saying to ask me .. another suggestion is maybe you can try #openelec because I haven't tried it yet, I plan to tomorrow
[7:29] <_deXter_> cool
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[8:12] <_deXter_> Hi all, is there an upper-limit on the size of the SD card?
[8:12] <_deXter_> So say, can I put in a 128GB card
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[9:11] <Thermoelectric> How long should I expect to wait for a reply to a topic I posted to troubleshooting?
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[9:12] <Jungle-Boogie> probably depends what it is in regards to and how specific you are with you questions/comments
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[9:14] <Thermoelectric> I'm having issues with booting to the GUI, tried to be as specific as I could be.... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=21854
[9:15] <Jungle-Boogie> my initial reaction would be try a faster SD card
[9:15] <Jungle-Boogie> what power source are you using?
[9:15] <Jungle-Boogie> how many miliamps is it?
[9:16] <Thermoelectric> A wall wart for a powered hub. Rated at 5V 1A. I've measured the voltage during boot (TP1-TP2) and it does not drop below 5.04V.
[9:16] <Jungle-Boogie> good job
[9:17] <Thermoelectric> So a class 4 card could be causing the issues?
[9:17] <Jungle-Boogie> this was posted about 30 minutes ago on the forums?
[9:17] <Thermoelectric> I posted it a few days ago...
[9:17] <Jungle-Boogie> oh, my mistake, i just noticed the time
[9:18] <Jungle-Boogie> yes, i'm using class 6
[9:18] <Jungle-Boogie> san disk ultra 8 gig class six
[9:18] <Jungle-Boogie> also, you can try writing the image again.
[9:18] <Jungle-Boogie> are you using dd?
[9:19] <Thermoelectric> Yeah, I used dd. Atleast twice for two Raspbian images.
[9:20] <Thermoelectric> First time it did boot to the GUI and seemed to work apart from having issues with the keyboard I was using.
[9:20] <Thermoelectric> But most of the times it kept getting stuck on boot.
[9:23] <Thermoelectric> Also, the verified peripherals page on the Wiki lists the Lexar 8GB SDHC class 4 cards as good, leading me to assume that it's not too slow?
[9:27] <cyclick> Thermoelectric, make sure your SD card is not bad?
[9:27] <Thermoelectric> Are there utilities to test that or is it just a replace it and see thing? (The only other cards I have on hand are class 2)
[9:28] <knoppies> I keep running out of space on my 2Gig SD card with raspbian. I have to clear /var/cache/apt/archives everytime I want to update. I currently have less than 200MB free.
[9:28] <knoppies> I backup the .deb files using sftp in case I re-image, so I dont have to download them all again.
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[9:40] <Thermoelectric> Yep, looks like my SD card may be bad. Not having much luck with Lexar.
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[10:15] <bircoe> Thermoelectric, the class of card is unimportant... I have a Pi running on a class 2 card and it's just fine, slow to boot but still works without issue.
[10:15] <Thermoelectric> I thought as much.
[10:16] <bircoe> could be a dodgy card
[10:17] <bircoe> I have an 8GB Sandisk Ultra Class 6 here that works in everything except my SD card reader... that card read also has no issue with every other SD card i own.
[10:17] <bircoe> so it's something with that card.
[10:17] <Thermoelectric> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is a dodgy card. Doing an RMA request form for it now. Only a few weeks until I get to try with a *hopefully* good card!
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> morning sunday pi peeps.
[10:45] <lunra> morning gordonDrogon :)
[10:46] <lunra> Just realised you're the one who made wiringpi - thanks!
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> yes, that's me!
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> cheers!
[10:48] <lunra> Also, goodnight! Gotta love timezones.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:01] <_deXter_> Does anyone know if OpenELEC is overclocked by default?
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[11:09] <Lartza> _deXter_, iirc it is
[11:10] <_deXter_> thanks
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[11:37] <bircoe> _deXter_, OpenELEC is not overclocked by default, confirm this by checking the config.txt file in the system partition, you'll find that the freq lines are commented out
[11:37] <_deXter_> yep, found that already bircoe thanks, I just oc'd it to 900Mhz..
[11:37] <bircoe> I've found 800 is sufficient
[11:37] <_deXter_> for OpenELE?
[11:37] <_deXter_> *C
[11:37] <bircoe> no lag in the menus etc at 800
[11:38] <bircoe> yeah
[11:38] <_deXter_> oh?
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[11:38] <_deXter_> Have you noticed that cover art doesn't download ?
[11:38] <_deXter_> (not OC related)
[11:38] <bircoe> to be honest I've not yet used it for music
[11:39] <_deXter_> I mean for TV shows
[11:39] <bircoe> oh
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[11:40] <bircoe> ahhh not sure to be honest, at the moment my main XBMC box is an Apple TV2, and I use the external database and art storage features so if one doesn't get the art the other does
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[11:40] <_deXter_> hmm
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[11:41] <_deXter_> well, seems to be working now
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[11:42] <_deXter_> Probably it was a bit too slow and got hung (before the OC) :_
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[11:43] <bircoe> not sure... maybe just network issues?
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[11:44] <_deXter_> network issues? O.o
[11:44] <_deXter_> I thought it prefetched the stuff..
[11:45] <_deXter_> and I spoke too soon, looks the cover arts got stuffed up again
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[11:56] <_deXter_> Wow, turning off RSS feeds and enabling dirty drawing reduced my CPU usage by 30% !
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[12:03] <bryter> i have a galaxy s2 wall charged which does not seem to be original samsung (brandless made in china), which has an output from 4v-6v. Is this type of charger safe to be used with raspberry pi?
[12:04] <Armand> bryter, It should be 5v.. give or take .25. I'd say 6v might be pushing your luck.
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[12:06] <bryter> actually i just checked and output is listed as 4v-8v. since 5v is in the range, does this mean that i can use this charger or not?
[12:06] <bryter> without causing any issues?
[12:09] <Armand> I really wouldn't, personally.. the official specs state 5v. The Pi won't even power from 4.75v.
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[12:31] <shiftplusone> bryter, that means that the output on the supply will fall within that range, meaning in reality it can be anywhere from 4 to 8 volts depending on the amount of current drawn by the pi. Those are horrible specs and I would throw that 'charger' in the bin while your phone still works.
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> some older phones used a current limited charger, and pulse charging
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> Nokia, for example
[12:33] <SpeedEvil> so 4-8 was fine
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[12:34] <SpeedEvil> (it means you can skip an internal voltage converter, and jus uses switch)
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[12:56] <[deXter]> What do you guys think of this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heatsink-for-Raspberry-Pi-/330758220781?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item4d02b9ebed
[13:00] <Yotson> apart from overpriced? XD
[13:02] <[deXter]> Well, As long as it works...
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[13:06] <Armand> You could probably get a set of ramsinks instead..
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> [deXter], I think it's a pointless waste of time.
[13:07] <[deXter]> gordonDrogon, why's that?
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> because the Pi is designed to work without a heatsink.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> therefore fans, heatsinks, etc. are simply a pointless waste of time
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> and moeny.
[13:10] <[deXter]> Well, I'm running it ouside of design specs (ie, it's OC'd) :)
[13:10] <artag> the thermal image on that is rather pretty and shows that the ethernet chip is by far the hottest
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[13:12] <gordonDrogon> mine are OC'd too.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> they're now designed to be OC'd.
[13:13] <[deXter]> hmm
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[13:13] <artag> doesn't the GPU turn it down if it overheats anyway ?
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> it's supposed to.
[13:14] <artag> if you were running it OC and consistently found it to have cut itself down it might be worth consideroing, but without that it's just bling
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to see any of mine get that hot.
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> and I've run them packed in bubble wrap overnight to test.
[13:16] <shiftplusone> even with a a heatsink, you're not going to see any benefits. there is no proper therman conduction from the ram chip to the cpu so you'll only see 1 or 2 degrees difference anyway.
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> possibly in a hot country, in direct sunlight...
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, there is that too...
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> the whole thing is really not designed to have a heatsink on it...
[13:16] <Jever> if you still need heatsinks
[13:17] <Jever> go to ebay.com
[13:17] <[deXter]> shiftplusone, good point
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> but if you want that 'bling' factor, then cover it in heatsinks ;-0
[13:17] <Jever> there are a lot of chinese vendors which are alot cheaper but you have to wait a month
[13:17] <Jever> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-TO220-ANODIZED-ALUMINUM-HEATSINK-HEAT-SINK-15-20-P-/280672525669?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item415962dd65 for example. just replace .com with your country ending
[13:17] <Jever> ah well they don't fit hehe
[13:19] <Jever> but there are a lot of other heatsinks too which you can buy for 2$
[13:19] <shiftplusone> you could also add some speedholes
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> or just not bother...
[13:22] <shiftplusone> or paint it red
[13:23] <Flasking23> painting it red is worth 10% cpu at least
[13:23] <artag> you could paint the edge of the pcb with a green pen
[13:24] <shiftplusone> I do wonder if there's any benefit in adding a heatsink to the ethernet/usb chip... that things gets pretty damn hot
[13:24] <Jever> if it works, it works
[13:24] <Jever> so why bother
[13:24] <Jever> they're designed to get hot
[13:24] <[deXter]> Well that's one chip I'm not worried about, because it's rated till 70C
[13:24] <artag> ethernet chips always do, i guess they probably allow for it in the design
[13:24] <Jever> i read about the guruplug
[13:25] <shiftplusone> hm
[13:25] <Jever> which has two gigabit ethernet ports
[13:25] <Jever> and a poorly designed case
[13:26] <Jever> if you used both ports, well....
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[13:26] <Jever> http://1wt.eu/articles/guruplug-slow-heater/
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[13:28] <chithead> the whole range of *plugs is one big QA fail
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[13:28] <chithead> guruplug: overheating, sheevaplug: psu failing, dockstar: rusting
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[13:37] <Jever> dockstar was quite cheap
[13:37] <Jever> missed to buy one for 21?
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[13:55] <narcos> Hi all. I'm controlling my XBian from the web interface (using the web remote). I changed the WebUI to 'Home Row', but now I've lost the remote control. How can I set it back to the default web UI (via ssh)?
[13:56] <narcos> I go to 8080/addons/webinterface.default/ , but it just says "Connection to server lost"
[14:02] <narcos> *sad*
[14:05] <NucWin> dont know if this will help but think xbmc stores its config in a .xbmc folder within the home of the user running it
[14:06] <narcos> NucWin: Yeah I'm digging around in there now, but haven't found much
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[14:07] <narcos> Know if there's an osx app to control xbmc?
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[14:08] <narcos> Hmm @ "<webskin>webinterface.home-row</webskin>"
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[14:08] <narcos> in guisettings.xml
[14:09] <narcos> If anyone has the default remote set, could you check what your guisettings.xml has?
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[14:11] * narcos changes it to webinterface.default and reboots
[14:13] <narcos> That worked.
[14:13] <narcos> narcos: ^5
[14:13] <Tachyon`> any idea why most distributions give me composite resolution when connected via HDMI? I set the option in config.txt to force HDMI detection but still, SD resolution
[14:14] <Tachyon`> raspbian is not affected but the rest seem to be
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[14:15] <NucWin> Tachyon` are you trying to force an incompatible resolution
[14:15] <Tachyon`> I'm not trying to force any resolution, this is just what I get by default on anything that isn't raspbian or risc os
[14:15] <NucWin> there is a command that will show monitor/tv's compatable modes
[14:15] <Tachyon`> it's a full HD TV, it supports 1080p
[14:16] <Tachyon`> and besides, the options to force a particular mode are commented out
[14:16] * Tachyon` tries uncommenting them and setting 1920/1080
[14:16] <kjs> morning
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[14:17] <NucWin> Tachyon` http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Which_values_are_valid_for_my_monitor.3F
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[14:18] <Tachyon`> oh right, now it's resampling 1920x1080 down to 640x480 or w/e
[14:18] <Tachyon`> it's not a monitor, it's a TV and works by default in Raspbian and RISC OS
[14:18] <Tachyon`> but I'll look..
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[14:19] <narcos> Hm, anyone have success getting the xmbc youtube browser plugin to work?
[14:21] <NucWin> not sure if thats been broken by recent update. it did use to work for me but last time i tried it gave errors and wouldnt list videos
[14:22] <narcos> NucWin: Do you know where the log files would be? I click the link under a youtube video, but nothing happens
[14:22] <Tachyon`> ah yes
[14:22] <Tachyon`> manually setting it to mode 5 worked, thanks
[14:22] <Tachyon`> odd that raspbian does that by default and the rest don't though
[14:24] <Tachyon`> well, sort of worked, this is 1080i
[14:24] <NucWin> maybe raspbian has a newer firmware which can detect your screen correctly
[14:24] <NucWin> narcos sorry i dont try /var/log
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[14:28] <narcos> NucWin: np, ta :)
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[14:30] <mikma> hexxeh: http://hackaday.com/2012/11/03/chromium-on-the-nexus7/
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[15:00] <Vegar> are there any recent versions of transmission for raspbian?
[15:00] <Vegar> i.e. >= 2.7.0
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[15:01] <jelly1> you could compile it yourself :)
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[15:02] <Vegar> jelly1: I was hoping someone had done that already
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[15:02] <Vegar> jelly1: I'm busy working on a web interface for managing files and playing videos
[15:02] <jelly1> what
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[15:02] * jelly1 wouldnt torrent on the Pi, since horrible I/O
[15:03] <tehtrb> hey folks
[15:03] <Vegar> yeah, I've noticed the I/O is terrible
[15:03] <jelly1> max 20MB/s
[15:03] <messenjah> has someone already recieved the 512mb model?
[15:03] <tehtrb> could one of you with raspbian test something for me ?
[15:03] <WhiteBreath> The IO is kinda horrible
[15:03] <Vegar> it's quite disappointing
[15:03] <jelly1> cache all the things
[15:03] <WhiteBreath> For Direct Download I guess it's okay
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[15:03] <WhiteBreath> Not enough memory for cache
[15:04] <tehtrb> i'm having trouble with mocp
[15:04] <jelly1> 450 MB free
[15:04] <Vegar> I'm actually amazed that I/O is the limiting factor
[15:04] <Vegar> I had assumed that video playback would be dodgy, but it has played anything I've thrown at it so far
[15:04] <tehtrb> guys, plz help me out
[15:04] <WhiteBreath> I think CPU also a limiting factor
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[15:06] <Vegar> I might be looking at buying one of those plug computers
[15:06] <Vegar> they should be more capable
[15:06] <Vegar> but the cost is quite a lot higher than for a pi
[15:07] <WhiteBreath> Also has anyone got the Ethernet to perform speeds higher than 40mbits?
[15:08] <Nik05> mbits is not a speed
[15:10] <WhiteBreath> mbit/s
[15:11] <WhiteBreath> that should be a speed
[15:11] <Nik05> well ok Mbit/s is a speed :P
[15:11] <Vegar> have there been any rumours about improving the I/O performance of the pi?
[15:11] <Vegar> can anything be done in software?
[15:12] <WhiteBreath> I don't think it's possible
[15:12] <WhiteBreath> I notice the cpu spikes with high I/O
[15:14] <WhiteBreath> Maybe some DMA implementation for the Ethernet
[15:20] <Vegar> the pi is actually awesome at video playback
[15:21] <Vegar> perhaps a remote file storage is better than USB?
[15:21] <Vegar> better as in faster
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[15:23] <hrebicek_wfh> with 100 M/s you will get not too much form the remote storage, I achieved 2MB/s over NFS
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[15:23] <Jever> 5mb/s ethernet
[15:23] <Jever> ~3mb/s wlan
[15:23] <Jever> and ~5mb sdcard
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[15:23] <Jever> ethernet tested per wget
[15:24] <hrebicek_wfh> while the SDHC performs over 10 MB/s
[15:24] <Jever> maybe. tried it in april
[15:24] <Jever> the current firmware should be faster
[15:24] <Jever> :)
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[15:27] <Amorsen> Remember, ethernet goes over USB too
[15:27] <Vegar> ah
[15:27] <Vegar> of course
[15:27] <Vegar> doing ls on the USB drive takes two seconds
[15:28] <Vegar> can the latency be improved?
[15:28] <Tachyon`> I got about 8MiB/sec over samba...
[15:28] <Tachyon`> using the wired connection
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[15:29] <Amorsen> I get quite a bit better performance from the SD card than you are seeing over USB Vegar
[15:29] <Amorsen> Does SD go over USB?
[15:30] <chep> hello
[15:32] <Amorsen> No it looks like the SD is dedicated, no wonder it is faster than USB then
[15:32] <jelly1> hehe
[15:32] <jelly1> and usb and ethernet is shared
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[15:33] <Amorsen> Yes ethernet is just a USB device
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[15:33] <hrebicek_wfh> Amorsen: the SD is more directly connected probably, as visible a /dev/mmc*, but my 4GB kingston is not faster than on USB
[15:33] <chep> i've installed raspian on my raspberry and everything is working well except 5.1 audio. I only have 2.1 output with omxplayer or alsa. Do anyone know what i have to do to enable 5.1 output?
[15:34] <jelly1> why use omxplayer when there is mplayer
[15:35] <chep> is mplayer able to use hw decoding?
[15:35] <hrebicek_wfh> are you sure the RPi has an 5.1 sound card?
[15:35] <Sonny_Jim> I thought it was just 2 channel
[15:35] <Sonny_Jim> With no inputs either
[15:36] <chep> :-s
[15:36] <chep> people in comments of some videos say they have 5.1 output
[15:36] <Amorsen> It should be able to do 5.1 passthrough on HDMI...
[15:37] <chep> maybe they are just lying
[15:37] <Vegar> there may be a setting you need to change somewhere
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[15:38] <Vegar> or the video/audio you're trying to play doesn't have 5 channels
[15:38] <chep> when i play the same video with my pc i have 5.1 output
[15:39] <Amorsen> There is a risk that it is encoded in a way which the Pi can't play
[15:40] <chep> with some file the "same sound" is played by all speakers but they play sound (sorry i don't have enough vocabulary to explain this)
[15:40] <Sonny_Jim> Amorsen: Ah, that's makes sense about the HDMI.
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[15:46] <WhiteBreath> Ethernet is just a usb device...? hmm...
[15:46] <WhiteBreath> That means everything is bogged down by the usb bus speed?
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[15:47] <MickeySoFine> Hi All
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[15:48] <MickeySoFine> I've installed and configured raspbmc and I'm trying to get the startup script to run when my raspberry pi reboots
[15:49] <Sonny_Jim> WhiteBreath: Yup
[15:49] <Sonny_Jim> What did you expect for $35?
[15:49] <Sonny_Jim> :-p
[15:49] <WhiteBreath> Lol
[15:49] <WhiteBreath> A dedicated Ethernet chip :-P
[15:50] <MickeySoFine> I followed a guide here http://anup.info/blog/2012/07/29/raspbmc-wifi but the part about setting for reboot in /etc/init.d doesnt work
[15:54] <tehtrb> can a raspbian user help me troubleshoot mocp ?
[15:54] <tehtrb> i want to reproduce error
[15:54] <tehtrb> cpu usage 100% when playing webstream from somafm
[15:56] <chep> Vegar Amorsen : i just tested to play a 5.1 wav file. with mplayer: only 2.1 output a 3D sound is "simulated". With omxplayer: Assertion `sampleSize == 2' failed.
[15:58] <Sonny_Jim> tehtrb: What audio driver are you using?
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[15:59] <tehtrb> audio driver works with nvlc
[16:01] <tehtrb> snd-bcm2803
[16:01] <tehtrb> 2835 i mean
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[16:11] <Vanfanel> Hello there
[16:13] <Vanfanel> regarding dispmanx, the function vc_dispmanx_resource_create seems to accept a parameter wich is a called native_image_buffer handle. Now I know there's no function to access the native image buffer address
[16:13] <Vanfanel> But I've read that it's possible to direcly find and access the base memory addess somehow, signing and then scaning /dev/mem
[16:14] <Vanfanel> is there any example code I could take a look at?
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[16:20] <Sonny_Jim> tehtrb: I meant pulseaudio, ALSA, OSS?
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[16:22] <tehtrb> weird Sonny_Jim , can't find neither in sudo htop
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[16:28] <tehtrb> or through ps -e
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[16:45] <zynx> anyone know how to fix this ( get it on raspbmc after installed retropie ): error while loading shared libraries: libEGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[16:47] <psino> I'm having some issues with my newly arrived B model RPi. It worked for about 10 minutes before it randomly shuts down, and I can only get it to start booting once in a while now. And when it boots, it usually just seems to shut down randomly somewhere in the boot-sequence, about 20-30 seconds in??? is there any way I can find out what is wrong, or is this a hardware issue?
[16:48] <[7]> psino: how are you supplying power to the board?
[16:48] <psino> sometimes when I give it power, I only get the constant red power light and sometimes both the red power and the green activity light is on constantly
[16:48] <psino> using a 1A ipod power adapter
[16:48] <[7]> any usb devices connected to the pi?
[16:49] <psino> not at the moment, but I originally had a generic dell keyboard (5v/100mA)
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[16:50] <[7]> do you have a voltmeter around?
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[16:51] <psino> yes
[16:52] <[7]> can you measure the voltage between TP1 and TP2 while it's booting?
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[16:55] <psino> I cant get it to boot at the moment, I think I have to leave it without power for a few minutes first, but I was reading about 4.75->4.9. I have an analog voltmeter
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[16:56] <[7]> so it didn't drop below 4.5V even briefly while crashing?
[16:57] <psino> I think I have to wait a few minutes without it having power before I can get it to boot
[16:57] <psino> at the moment it just goes into one of the two states I wrote above (either just red light, or constant red + green light) without anything happening
[16:58] <[7]> hm... locate the polyfuse on the bottom of the board, in the power connector corner
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[16:58] <[7]> power up the board
[16:58] <[7]> check the voltage across that polyfuse
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[16:59] <[7]> it should be almost zero
[16:59] <psino> the polyfuse is the green thing with F3 marked right next to it?
[16:59] <[7]> yes
[16:59] <psino> that says T075?
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[17:03] <psino> [7]: pretty much 0. the needle on my voltmeter didn't visibly move.
[17:03] <[7]> hm... I'd try another power supply and possibly another sd card just to rule that out
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[17:06] <tripgod> lol analog meters
[17:08] <psino> preparing another sd card now
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[17:19] <psino> same thing happens with another sd card and a all the power adapters I've tried
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[17:30] <Pricey> :O ralphsaunders
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[17:31] <psino> is it possible I've just been unlucky and gotten a faulty board?
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[17:35] <Sonny_Jim> Am I right in thinking that mono won't work on the RaspberryPi as it's like wine?
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[17:39] <msch> Sonny_Jim: nope, mono can create ARM instructions, it also works on the iphone for example
[17:40] <Sonny_Jim> Oh ok
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[17:41] <Sonny_Jim> Even if it's an exe?
[17:42] <IT_Sean> https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/31/d6S6j97A6Ee2u_WOcWPvfA2.jpg
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[17:53] <ralphsaunders> Where's the best place to go for raspberry pi related components in the UK?
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[17:58] <des2> What do you mean by 'related components' ?
[17:59] <ralphsaunders> I'm really after a breakout board that uses a clip to the GPIO and then the board can be attacked to a breadboard
[17:59] <ralphsaunders> Then I guess it'd just be normal components, like buttons and dials
[18:00] <ralphsaunders> adafruit has this https://www.adafruit.com/products/914, but their shipping costs to the UK weren't very clear.
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[18:06] <Armand> ralphsaunders, www.modmypi.com might be worth a look.
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[18:15] <Vegar> I'm getting this output from omxplayer: file : test.wmv result 41 format asf audio streams 0 video streams 1 chapters 0 subtitles 0
[18:15] <Vegar> and no playback
[18:15] <Vegar> what does it mean? is the format unsupported?
[18:16] <Vegar> also this is in the log:
[18:16] <Vegar> ERROR: COMXCoreComponent::DecoderEventHandler OMX.broadcom.video_decode - OMX_EventError detected, nData1(0x80001019), port 1
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[18:16] <_yac_> i spalshed and bought a transcend 8gb class 6 card :) the 2gb one i had was starting to feel slow and cramped, although i have no idea if the new card will be any faster
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[18:17] <ralphsaunders> Thanks Armand
[18:17] <Armand> Quite alright. :)
[18:19] <ralphsaunders> I guess the main difference between soldering components and my guitar stuff is that I can't really get these things too hot.
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[18:24] <Armand> If you're soldering anything, it should really be on a breakout board.
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[18:25] <interrobangd> Hi
[18:26] <Sonny_Jim> ralphsaunders: I've got a SNESDev board
[18:26] <Sonny_Jim> That seemed a quick and easy way to get what I wanted
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[18:26] <interrobangd> it is possible to power ON the RPi without re-plug the mini-USB kable? GIPO?!
[18:26] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspihub.com/go/eb049744e0511961056d8d4e768b5a6255b3cf93aadec133c2e6a8586bedea78
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[18:28] <interrobangd> i can only power off the RPi by using GIPO and a script/programm that use "shutdown" command
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[18:52] <asaru> wire an on/off switch into your micro usb cable
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[18:53] <interrobangd> sorry, but this is not what i prefer
[18:54] <interrobangd> i need somethink like a power on/off like ATX PCs
[18:54] <interrobangd> *something
[18:54] <shiftplusone> doesn't the newer version have a switch on the board?
[18:54] <IT_Sean> There isn't such a thing for the Pi, interrobangd
[18:54] <IT_Sean> If it's plugged in, it's on.
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[18:56] <asaru> yeah the power on/off would have to be wired into the incoming power line, ie the usb cable
[18:56] <bircoe> The shutdown command will shutdown the OS but not power off the Pi.
[18:56] <asaru> unless you power over gpio then you can put it there, but really whats the difference
[18:57] <shiftplusone> power over gpio might cause a few problems.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[18:58] <_yac_> has anyone been playing around with those oled displays commonly found on ebay for their Pi?
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> interrobangd, connect a relay between the +5v and ground. activate the relay, shorting the 5v to ground. The Pi will reboot after you open the relay ...
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> not a method I'd recommend though...
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> but hey ...
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Aye, that sounds shanky
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> On Rev 2 boards the reset pin is brought out somewhere...
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[19:01] <interrobangd> did you try it?
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[19:02] <_yac_> id much rather connect the relay so that in its rested state, it connects the 5v to the Pi, but when activated, breaks this connection.
[19:03] <perfumeSwell> Hi there. I can play the Big Bunny test file flawlessly with hello_video, but when I use omxplayer, there's visible stutter. Is there a known way to fix this?
[19:06] <interrobangd> _yac_, you think to power the RPi about the GIPO instead of USB?
[19:07] <_yac_> so i just meant if one wants a reset switch it's better to cut off 5V rather than short it to ground
[19:07] <IT_Sean> Don't even need a relay for that. just a N/O momentary button on the power lead.
[19:07] <IT_Sean> err... N/C rather
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[19:11] <interrobangd> bircoe, so even OS is down, the RPi is still on?
[19:11] <IT_Sean> if hte Pi is plugged in, it is on.
[19:11] <IT_Sean> *the
[19:12] <interrobangd> ok
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[19:12] <interrobangd> what is the RPi doing when OS is down
[19:13] <shiftplusone> ...plotting
[19:13] <IT_Sean> scheming
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[19:14] <interrobangd> ah that nice picture befor booting, right?
[19:14] <shiftplusone> biding it's time
[19:14] <kjs> yo
[19:14] <shiftplusone> intelminer, no, in reality it doesn't do anything when it's off.
[19:14] <IT_Sean> plotting your downfall
[19:15] <interrobangd> thanks
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[19:22] <Armand> It does the same thing every PC does when "powered down"... tries to take over the world.
[19:23] <StMichel> Hmm, I just remembered those "It is now safe to turn off your computer" screens after shutting down... Was that Windows 95?
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[19:24] <shiftplusone> I think 98 as well
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[19:24] <shiftplusone> and 3.1 probably
[19:25] <interrobangd> no, it quit to DOS
[19:25] <shiftplusone> ah, that's right
[19:25] <shiftplusone> It has been... a while.
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[19:43] <LordThumper> Anyone using RASPBMC?
[19:43] <LordThumper> I need suggestions for what hardware to get to capture live tv
[19:44] <Tachyon`> try asking in #raspbmc
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[19:44] <laurent\> or try something else than a raspberry pi ! :)
[19:45] <perfumeSwell> Any omxplayer officianados here?
[19:46] <Tachyon`> well, I use it..
[19:46] <Tachyon`> .what's the problem?
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[19:46] <perfumeSwell> *aficionados
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[19:46] <perfumeSwell> I'm trying to solve 1) The seconds of startup time it's taking, and 2) Figure out how to jump to a specific point in a video.
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[19:56] <mebus> hi! is there another mirror for the occidentalis v0.2 image?
[19:56] <mebus> the originmal one is very slow.
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[20:05] <perfumeSwell> I'll just describe what I'm trying to do: I'd like to be able to switch between videos, jumping in at specific points from a shell script/Python. Advice?
[20:06] <perfumeSwell> I'm fine doing some converting of the videos beforehand.
[20:06] <mebus> dbus
[20:07] <perfumeSwell> mebus: I'm not familiar with it, but I'm listening :)
[20:08] <mebus> perfumeSwell: use vlc or any other player and talk to it via dbus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus
[20:08] <mebus> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html
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[20:08] <perfumeSwell> mebus: Ok. I'll give that a shot. I was planning on running without the desktop. Do you think I'll avoid laggy playback this way?
[20:11] <mebus> perfumeSwell: no idea.
[20:12] <perfumeSwell> mebus: np. Playing with it now, and I'll report back. Thanks!
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[20:12] <shiftplusone> If you think omxplayer is laggy, vlc isn't going to be better.
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[20:18] <perfumeSwell> Hmm... I'm ssh'd in to my raspberrypi, but I want the video played via the video or HDMI out (like th default behaviour of omxplayer and hello_video). Can I do this?
[20:18] <perfumeSwell> *with VLC
[20:19] <laurent\> do vlc/xine/mplayer have support for openmax ?
[20:19] <perfumeSwell> I don't know what that is, but... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3342 ?
[20:20] <perfumeSwell> Looks like no?
[20:21] <laurent\> the answer for these player is no i'm afraid
[20:22] <laurent\> and i don't expect omxplayer to get most features of vlc/xine/mplayer anytime soon
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[20:23] <perfumeSwell> Damn. So laurent\/mebus: Still think VLC is the way to go? Basically, I'd like to put a couple video filenames and timestamps in some kind of shell or Python script, and run it while SSH'd in and have it switch between them as specified via raspberrypi's video or HDMI out.
[20:24] <mebus> perfumeSwell: don't know
[20:24] <mebus> just an idea
[20:24] <perfumeSwell> mebus: Is the only way to run VLC by bringing up the desktop env?
[20:25] <kjs> cant you use mplayer
[20:25] <kjs> you can run a vlc video from the cmdline iirc as well.
[20:26] <perfumeSwell> kjs: But without this openmax, I can't have it play out the right video out?
[20:26] <laurent\> perfumeSwell: vlc can run from cmd line without a gui
[20:26] <perfumeSwell> getting mplayer now...
[20:27] <mebus> perfumeSwell: I don't know. I'm using my raspberry headless.
[20:27] <laurent\> afaik mplayer won't have support for openmax without patching
[20:27] <perfumeSwell> laurent\: When I vlc <filename> It goes in to some weird ascii mode (I'm SSH'd).
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[20:27] <kjs> you can use vlc.
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[20:28] <kjs> http://wiki.videolan.org/Video_Output can't you just run X on that display, shell in and run the command / script to play your vids
[20:28] <laurent\> perfumeSwell: not using the correct DISPLAY and/or the correct video output module
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[20:29] <perfumeSwell> kjs/laurent\: Yep. This sounds like the right track, though I'm not super familiar with all this.
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[20:31] <perfumeSwell> So the idea is 1) Create x display on the video output 2) Hook up vlc to that 3) connect to vlc and control it?
[20:32] <laurent\> framebuffer might also be a way to do it without X
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[20:32] <perfumeSwell> laurent\: I'm listening. I had been somewhat warned against X...
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[20:34] <laurent\> i haven't done much testing, in your case it might be better to use the framebuffer instead of running xorg
[20:35] <laurent\> i don't plan on using my rpi to do anything related to video (decoding/encoding)
[20:35] <laurent\> as support for it is very poor. (and i can't really help with that)
[20:38] <perfumeSwell> So I'm having VLC send video to framebuffer, or is VLC no longer involved?
[20:39] <laurent\> oh it is, just tell him to use it, i guess it should be something like -V fb
[20:39] <laurent\> or fbdev
[20:39] <perfumeSwell> cvlc --vout fb <filename>?
[20:40] <laurent\> yep something like that
[20:40] <perfumeSwell> inhibit interface error: Failed to connect to the D-Bus session daemon: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11
[20:41] <anacron> can vlc actually play any videofiles for real with rpi?
[20:41] <IT_Sean> Only if you ask it very nicely
[20:42] <anacron> wouldn't omxplayer be better choice
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[20:42] <perfumeSwell> anacron: can I jump to a specific time in omxplayer, though?
[20:43] <perfumeSwell> laurent\: will "fb" choose my video out by default?
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[20:44] <anacron> perfumeSwell: I don't know about that
[20:46] <Gosy> I can't get my raspberrypi to work
[20:46] <Gosy> :\
[20:46] <IT_Sean> 'sit plugged in?
[20:48] <anacron> have you tried turning it off and on?
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[20:49] <shiftplusone> What's the serial number of your toaster?
[20:50] <IT_Sean> Gosy... what happens when you plug it in?
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[20:53] <rikkib> Null pointer exception.
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[21:00] <Vegar> what does the rpi-update script actually do?
[21:00] <IT_Sean> updates your raspi
[21:01] <UnaClocker> Read the script
[21:01] <Vegar> yes, but what does it update?
[21:01] <Nik05> it pulls from Hexxeh's git repository
[21:01] <jelly1> archlinuxarm doesnt need that script btw
[21:01] <Nik05> and then it updates kernel and firmawre
[21:01] <Vegar> I see
[21:01] <Vegar> can't the firmware and the kernel be updated via apt?
[21:01] <Vegar> (raspbian)
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[21:02] <Nik05> i think the raspbian repository has it too
[21:03] <rikkib> rpi-update pulls the latest firmware for the official repository. apt-get updates for latest release
[21:03] <rikkib> from
[21:04] <Vegar> ah, and those are different?
[21:04] <rikkib> rpi-update = bleeding edge. apt-get not so bleeding edge
[21:05] <rikkib> If there is such a thing as really it is all bleeding profusely.
[21:05] <Nik05> ;p
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[21:06] <Vegar> hehe
[21:06] <rikkib> motion has not worked since they moved to the otg way.
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[21:07] <Vegar> I see there is an overclock setting in raspi-config. Is this the temperature-scaling overclocking stuff I read about a few weeks ago?
[21:07] <Nik05> what is otg?
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[21:07] <rikkib> otg is method to eel with usb
[21:07] <rikkib> deel
[21:07] <rikkib> deal
[21:08] <Nik05> oh ok
[21:08] <hyde> hi, is there already, or has anybody thought of, a command line RPi image flashing tool (at least for Linux), which would take the image file, wait for card entered, figure out the card reader from dmesg, confirm device, unmount (if automounted), flash, resize partition.
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[21:10] <rikkib> it is called dd
[21:10] <Vegar> the automagic mounting in gnome/xfce will automount the new partitions as soon as they are created by dd and corrupt the copying process
[21:11] <rikkib> if you need to know how to resize check out raspi-config
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[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> It's much quicker resizing on a computer
[21:13] <Sonny_Jim> I use gparted
[21:15] <rikkib> and is just another thing on a new install todo... This may entail removing lots of software of no real use to some.
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[21:19] <hyde> yeah, only non-nice thing about gparted is, it's so slow scanning the devices
[21:19] <hyde> first when started, then 2nd time when unmounting the volume to resize
[21:20] <jelly1> woah raspberry pi makes quiet a differnece when check 320x420 res versus 480x640
[21:20] <hyde> (because obviously I do not remember to do it before starting gparted)
[21:20] <jelly1> like 2.3x faster on low res
[21:20] <hyde> well, check the ratio of pixels...
[21:20] <shiftplusone> you can start it and specify the device at the same time (gparted /dev/sdc, for example), then it doesn't scan all devices I think
[21:22] <hyde> and the tool I was thinking would probably be a shell script wrapper around dd and parted, at least the first version
[21:22] <hyde> well, maybe when I need to do image writing next time... ;)
[21:24] <rikkib> As for writing something for the community. Think very carefully before making such commitments. Just suggestion something can yield unexpected results.
[21:24] <rikkib> suggeting
[21:24] <rikkib> ahhhh
[21:25] <rikkib> When I suggested that asb was making things more difficult for new users I was promptly tossed off the RPi forum.
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> ASB?
[21:26] <rikkib> In relation to raspi-config
[21:26] <rikkib> asb = lead developer at foundation.
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:27] <rikkib> There is a side to the foundation that does not sit well with me.
[21:28] <rikkib> I made the suggestion and wrote the code that could be added to raspi-config to address my concern.
[21:29] <rikkib> raspi-config has been updated since with no additions other than what asb things it should have.
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> code foe what?
[21:30] <rikkib> Simple stuff
[21:30] <hyde> OSS world has a lot of egos, one might say it's driven by egos... which has downsides too
[21:30] <rikkib> allow new users to set an ip address if they do not have dhcp
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:30] <rikkib> set root password
[21:30] <rikkib> set hostname
[21:30] <hyde> rikkib: anyway, if you're not fond of raspbian, you might find Mer interesting... that's just the image I was just flashing
[21:30] <rikkib> set dns
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[21:31] <shiftplusone> hyde, isn't that applicable to any community?
[21:31] <linuxstb> rikkib: Yes, I've seen some odd behaviour from the foundation too - it seems an extremely closed "community".
[21:32] <hyde> shiftplusone: well, some are driven by money, some are driven by "real" necessity. OSS world has neither, so egos are important fuel for it
[21:32] <rikkib> One needs to be careful what you say here to... I am sure people are watching.
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> Who was after a CNC mill earlier?
[21:33] <hyde> ("real" as in, if you do not get along, you'll be ruined in real life)
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX1cO2XhMrg&feature=related
[21:34] <rikkib> My tolerance for, how shall I say this, morons, is very low having run Linux since it came into existence virtually.
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, do your own stuff - run your own blog - if people want it, they'll find it.
[21:35] <shiftplusone> hyde, hmm, I suppose. It just seems like if you look closely at any group, there is some ego involved, especially in things people take seriously (religion, political movments and so on). But yeah, I see your point.
[21:35] <hyde> of course OSS world has the counter-force for egos... fork!
[21:35] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Oh yes. I read my apache logs.
[21:36] <hyde> well, also religions are pretty good at "forking", I recon
[21:36] <hyde> as well as political parties
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> it never ceases to amaze me what I thought would be a neat little set of functions wanted by a handfull of people has turned into..
[21:36] <hyde> but, offtopic
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[21:36] <rikkib> I am tossing up whether to publish and as you know have been working on git and web... It is up with one project.
[21:37] <hyde> gordonDrogon: I'm intrigued, so what are you talking about, exactly?
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> hyde, my wiringPi stuff mostly.
[21:38] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/gitweb
[21:38] <hyde> gordonDrogon: interesting!
[21:38] <shiftplusone> hyde, in political movments, forking tends to spawn little groups which evolve into different movments which split up further and dissolve. An example being occupy wallstreet. They has a common broad goal, then little subgroups started to form (anti-war, pro-equality, socialists and so on) until the tension between the groups dissolved the movment. Maybe forking should be a bit of a last resort rather than the first course of action.
[21:40] <Vegar> raspbian: how to read cpu temperature?
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[21:40] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, What I like about wiringPi is the coding is nice and simple and seems to follow all the sort of standards that I am used to.
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[21:40] <hyde> shadeslayer: well, forking is pretty rare, and usually with a good reason
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[21:41] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, I have a style that's different from most folks - but it stems from me being a bit dyslexic and I like things to line up!
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[21:43] <rikkib> My comment is aimed at C style more than say other languages
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> I write php the same way. BASIC similarly.
[21:44] <rikkib> I do C, java php and not much else now days.
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> I just never undeerstood why people wouldn't put spaces in a source file - of-course 40 years ago disk space was expen$ive, but ...
[21:44] <rikkib> html and bash I guess
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> if(a<b|c!=d){foo=42;}
[21:45] <UnaClocker> I really should give WiringPi a try.. Python pisses me off.
[21:45] <jelly1> what
[21:45] <jelly1> python == awesome
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> there is a wiringPi library in Python.
[21:45] <UnaClocker> heh, you should see my code.. I wasn't meant to program in python.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> but I've never gotten into Python at all...
[21:46] <jelly1> UnaClocker: start reading python books then..
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> I've done so much in C in the past 30+ years.. hard to change!
[21:46] <UnaClocker> I don't learn from books. I've never learned a language from a book. I learn from diving in and fighting.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> the most radically different thing I've used was occam I think.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> another language where indentation is significant...
[21:47] * jelly1 never really had problems moving from C to python
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[21:47] * rikkib has no quals at all... Apart from training as a Telecom Lineman
[21:48] <UnaClocker> Yeah, freakin python.. I had a space in front of a "def" and it made it part of the previous def.. Dumbass language.
[21:48] <rikkib> Entirely self taught.
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, you'll appreciate this then: http://dvice.com/archives/2012/10/ethiopian-kids.php
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[21:49] <tos9> What's that my father used to say? A bad workman blames his tools :).
[21:49] <rikkib> Started at age 12 with a box of old navy components.
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[21:49] <hyde> btw, is this not necessary with moder SD cards, or is ext4 somewhat SD-friendly, or would it make sense to use some other filesystem than ext4 on an RPi Linux?
[21:49] <rikkib> Born in 1960 I have been fortunate.
[21:50] <jelly1> ext4 has journaling
[21:50] <jelly1> go figure!
[21:50] <jelly1> you can disable it though
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[21:50] <jelly1> and still benefit from all the awesome ext4 features
[21:50] <rikkib> ext4 is pretty seamless
[21:51] <UnaClocker> What is an awesome ext4 feature?
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[21:51] <rikkib> It keeps track of changes
[21:51] <hyde> Well, on flash block devices, a good file system pretty much has to use jouranlling
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[21:52] <rikkib> it can recover from power outage
[21:52] <hyde> since nothing is deleted until absolutely necessary
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> hyde, ext4 is fine.
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[22:00] <UnaClocker> Here's my heinous Python sketch.. http://pastebin.com/SsZHR8n5 It runs, but I haven't gotten it to move my stepper motor at all yet.. My much simpler sketch that simply cycled through the pins did, though..
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[22:00] <UnaClocker> I tried to modularize it, so it can do forwards and backwards on two different steppers.. (sets of GPIO pins)..
[22:01] <UnaClocker> And I'm trying to keep it cycling through the main loop of the program while stepping, so that the program doesn't come to a halt while the steppers are running..
[22:03] <UnaClocker> Cj810k018jC
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[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> That's the combination to my luggage!
[22:03] <UnaClocker> Yeah, guess I'll change that password now.. What a dumbass.. heh
[22:05] <psino> I'm currently getting reading 110mV across F3, might this be causing the board to shut down randomly or fail to boot? if I understood this correctly, the problem will go away in a few days by just waiting?
[22:08] <UnaClocker> F3 is a fuse, polyfuse. They do drop voltage. 110mV isn't too bad..
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[22:15] <UnaClocker> jelly1: You see that python I posted?
[22:16] <psino> :/ then I'm out of ideas why this board isn't working. just got it today (my first RPi), TP1/2 has a pretty stable 4.66 volts. It sometimes boots, idles at 4.72 V at raspie-config until the screen suddenly goes black, nothing works and after a few seconds, it reads 4.91 V. after this the device needs around 30 minutes before it even wants to attempt booting again :(
[22:17] <UnaClocker> Noisy power supply?
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[22:19] <psino> I don't know at what point its defined as noisy, but during boot it sometimes moves from 4.66 to 4.67, and I dont know if the change to 4.72 makes any difference
[22:19] <psino> but I never read something as high as 4.9 before a while after it has crashed
[22:20] <UnaClocker> Noisy would be high frequency ripple on the DC power. You'd need a scope to see it.. Are you using a cheap chinese power supply, or a good one?
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[22:21] <psino> Desgined by Apple, Made in China
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[22:23] <UnaClocker> Is it a real one that came with an iDevice, or one you bought on eBay?
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[22:24] <psino> I've tested with the charger that came with my ipad, ipad2, iphone3 and 4
[22:24] <psino> all original adapters
[22:25] <psino> I've also tried the charger that came with my samsung galaxy nexus (google phone-thingy), which seems to give the lowest voltage
[22:25] <UnaClocker> heh.. Ok..
[22:25] <psino> also tried running it off my motherboard on my pc, which is an asus, getting the same behaviour on each
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[22:26] <psino> with the samsung one giving the lowest voltage and the motherboard giving the most fluctuations??? but since all the tests have been on the same device, I don't think I can rule out that the order of my tests may interfere with the results
[22:26] <Armand> psino, doesn't the Pi need a minimum of 4.75 to boot?
[22:28] <psino> Is that measured between TP1 and TP2 or somewhere else?
[22:29] <Armand> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Power_Supply_Problems
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[22:33] <psino> I've found a power adapter that gives me 5.02 between TP1 and TP2 now, and F3 reads 086mV, but no attempt is made at booting
[22:34] <Vegar> psino: any USB devices connected?
[22:34] <psino> none, just a hdmi cable to my monitor
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[22:37] <Vegar> odd
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> anyone played with the tinybasic that was published recently?
[22:40] * Tachyon` avoids another rant
[22:41] <psino> I just waited a few minutes, and plugged it in again. the same supply that showed a stable 5.06V suddenly showed up as 4.80V, and right after the RPi blackscreened/stopped working, it went up to 4.96V. both ACT/PWR gives solid/non-flashing green lights. after a minute or so it is back at showing 5.06V
[22:42] <IT_Sean> dodgy power supply
[22:42] <IT_Sean> perhaps?
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[22:43] <psino> if it is, I have 5 dodgy apple power supplies, a dodgy motherboard on all ports and a dodgy samsung charger as well
[22:43] <psino> it seems kinda weird to me though :/
[22:43] <IT_Sean> O_o
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, a rant about basic?
[22:45] <Tachyon`> that particular basic
[22:45] <Tachyon`> which is nonstandard in the extreme and a very bad choice but I think I alraedy went there the other day
[22:45] <artag> psino: have you tried various USB cables ?
[22:45] <psino> I can get ahold of a completely different power converter tomorrow and test with that, but if that doesn't work??? is it plausible that it's just this board that has a defect? or is there something else left to check?
[22:46] <psino> artag: yes, I've thrown away a few microusb-cables that has been getting me bad voltages
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, yes... indeed. agree there - just thought I'd benchmark is against my basic though :)
[22:47] <psino> I guess I could buy another microusb cable tomorrow, but I'm not sure how I can guarantee that it will be any better than what I have right now
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[22:47] <Tachyon`> that's a PSU issue
[22:47] <Tachyon`> your cable is fine
[22:47] <artag> no, you've tried a few, that's a fair test
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[22:47] <Tachyon`> link out the polyfuse and if that fails, buy a better psu
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[22:47] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[22:50] <artag> my only concern with that is that it sounds as though either the PSU drops voltage too easily, or the rpi takes too much current. The PSU is the obvious culprit .. but he's already tried several good quality ones. So if the rpi is taking excessive current, is it a good idea to bridge the fuse ?
[22:51] <psino> I'm pretty sure that would void any warranties too
[22:52] <psino> at the moment I'm thinking of trying to return it for a replacement since I just got it and it has never worked properly
[22:53] <IT_Sean> I say go for it
[22:54] <Tachyon`> it probably would void the warranty
[22:54] <Tachyon`> I'm sort of assuming nobody really cares about this
[22:54] <Armand> I'm more concerned with killing mine... that's the only reason I haven't modded it yet. :P
[22:54] <Tachyon`> what devices do you have plugged into the pi hen it fails?
[22:54] <IT_Sean> Welcome to #raspberrypi. We void warrenties.
[22:54] <Tachyon`> lol
[22:57] <psino> Tachyon`: just an hdmi monitor
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[22:57] <Tachyon`> no wifi dongles, hard disks, wireless keyboarsd etc.?
[22:58] <psino> nothing
[22:58] <Tachyon`> hrm, that should just work
[22:58] <psino> only cables connected to it is the hdmi cable and the microusb which powers it
[22:58] <Tachyon`> yeah, it's a shame you don't haev another pi to try
[22:58] <psino> I wouldn't be concerned about voiding the warranty if it didn't take me months to get another one
[22:58] <Tachyon`> order from element14
[22:59] <Tachyon`> they deliver in a week or two
[22:59] <Tachyon`> if you're in teh UK at least
[22:59] <jmadero> hi all, every time I try to sshfs I get disconnected from my pi, any suggestions?
[22:59] <psino> im in norway
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, fyi - it's some 30 times slower than RTB..
[22:59] <Tachyon`> ah, perhpas teh whales are blockading you in protest then
[22:59] <Tachyon`> oh lol
[22:59] <Tachyon`> I'm not surprised
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> it's not terribly clever at all, but it is 'small' :)
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[23:00] <psino> element14 doesn't ship to norway, but says "coming soon". so I'm pretty screwed over if I void my warranty on this one
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[23:11] <jmadero> how do I install sftp server on the pi
[23:11] <jmadero> so I can use sshfs
[23:11] <rikkib> apt-get install ssh
[23:12] <rikkib> sftp i part of that package
[23:12] <rikkib> is
[23:12] <rikkib> sorry misread the question
[23:12] <jmadero> sweet, trying now :)
[23:12] <jmadero> just want to sshfs into it and mount it to my laptop
[23:13] <rikkib> I think the answer is still correct but
[23:13] <bryter> i am currently using xbian with raspberry pi and i wanted to know if there is anyway to map some more keys. i currently am using my hdtv remote to control the pi (hdmi-cec) and the majority of keys work but some of them have no functionality with the pi.
[23:13] <rikkib> ssh is install by default of Raspbian
[23:13] <rikkib> on
[23:14] <jmadero> Raspbian fails horribly on my machine
[23:14] <jmadero> doesn't play nice with my wireless keyboard
[23:14] <home> bryter: take it to #xbian
[23:14] <jmadero> nor my remote
[23:14] <rikkib> gee my fingers are dyslexic today
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[23:17] <jmadero> now I have a worse problem fuse: bad mount point `/media/usb': Transport endpoint is not connected
[23:19] <bryter> if i were to change what the pressing of a specific remote button does to xbmc, what file while i have to change or add?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> jmadero, if your keyboard has a proprietary over-air interface, then it's nothing to do with raspbian...
[23:20] <jmadero> gordonDrogon: works fine with every other Linux distro
[23:20] <jmadero> including xbian
[23:20] <jmadero> Bodhi, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Fedora
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> jmadero, is it bluetooth then?
[23:20] <jmadero> no
[23:21] <jmadero> more concerned about sshfs now
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> then there is no reason it won't work under raspbian - it's just a usb keyboard & mouse to the host.
[23:21] <jmadero> it doesn't, so I use xbian which is fine
[23:21] <jmadero> but I am getting a bad mount point with sshfs, this is my concern now
[23:22] <mgottschlag> jmadero: did you try unmount before? the mountpoint could still be bad because of a previous failed sshfs attempt
[23:22] <mgottschlag> *umount
[23:22] <jmadero> ....bingo
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[23:22] <jmadero> mgottschlag: thanks
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> is the encryption overhead via sshfs worth the bother?
[23:22] <jmadero> nevermind
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> file transfers are going to be quite slow, surley?
[23:23] <jmadero> it seemed to work but when I try to cd into the folder I get input/output error
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[23:26] <mgottschlag> jmadero: how exactly did you mount the sshfs?
[23:26] <jmadero> sshfs joel@ /media/usb
[23:26] <jmadero> asked for a password
[23:27] <jmadero> put in password, accepted password (no error)
[23:27] <jmadero> but when I do cd /media/usb spits out input/output error
[23:28] <mgottschlag> try sshfs joel@ /media/usb
[23:28] <mgottschlag> some sshfs versions break when the slash is omitted in rare cases
[23:30] <jmadero> apparently something is happening, says device or resource busy
[23:31] <jmadero> not actually mounting my drive, nothing shows up
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[23:36] <jmadero> shoot I don't get why it's not working
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[23:37] <jmadero> I am a freaking idiot.....drive wasn't connected
[23:37] <jmadero> hahahha
[23:38] <IT_Sean> ....
[23:38] <IT_Sean> that's pretty specalist...
[23:38] <jmadero> seriously
[23:38] <jmadero> I disconnected the drives this morning to connect to my laptop
[23:38] <jmadero> guess I forgot to connect them again to the pi
[23:38] <jmadero> haha
[23:38] <jmadero> my wife just laughed at me haha
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[23:45] <jmadero> but when I try to cd into the folder without su priv. it gives me permission denied
[23:45] <jmadero> how can I access the folder without root priv.
[23:46] <jmadero> nvm, got it
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