#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-05

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[0:01] <mumbles> if i want to turn my raspbery pi into a rich media information display - facebook, twitter feeds etc, is there arleady a project out there that would work ?
[0:02] <LordThumper> anyone got a digital video / audio input to work with Raspbmc?
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[0:15] <[deXter]> LordThumper, you mean using the PVR feature?
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[0:19] <LordThumper> Yes, that is what I am aiming for eventually
[0:20] <[deXter]> LordThumper, Then you'll have to buy the MPEG-2 codec license
[0:20] <[deXter]> possibly even VC-1
[0:20] <LordThumper> Yes, bought it
[0:20] <LordThumper> the MPEG2 I mean
[0:20] <[deXter]> Well LordThumper I would recommend OpenELEC instead. :)
[0:21] <LordThumper> For now, I just want to see if the device is supported by the kernel
[0:21] <[deXter]> ah
[0:21] <[deXter]> I know for sure PVR works in OpenELEC also, it's more frequently maintained/
[0:21] <[deXter]> Of course the actual result would depend on the card..
[0:21] <LordThumper> ofcourse
[0:22] <LordThumper> I don't think OpenElec works on RPI, does it?
[0:22] <[deXter]> it does
[0:22] <[deXter]> it's better maintained, more frequent updates
[0:22] <LordThumper> Oh didn't know that
[0:22] <LordThumper> Thanks, going to try it out
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[0:27] <andi3> 3
[0:27] <[deXter]> 2
[0:30] <rikkib> 1
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[0:32] <rikkib> Ahh The daily dose of Emmerdale farm... What has life come to.
[0:32] <[deXter]> heh
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[0:35] <[deXter]> Say folks, /proc/cpuinfo shows that one of the features of the CPU is "java"
[0:35] <[deXter]> does that mean Java code is hardware accelerated?
[0:36] <mgottschlag> [deXter]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle
[0:38] <mgottschlag> especially "It also prevents open source JVMs from using Jazelle"
[0:38] <[deXter]> O.o
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[0:40] <[deXter]> I wonder if that's what Android phones make use of in order to speed up Java execution..
[0:41] <mgottschlag> isn't dalvik actually open source? I think Android just compiles the code and places the native code in a cache for later use
[0:41] <mgottschlag> I don't know for sure though, I just think I have read that somewhere
[0:42] <mgottschlag> which would make Jazelle unnecessary are (hopefully rather fast, even though not very optimized) native code is executed
[0:42] <mgottschlag> s/are/as
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[0:44] <[deXter]> yep, Android uses JIT
[0:44] <mgottschlag> (jazelle was mainly created for devices which were too small for JIT compilation)
[0:45] <[deXter]> hmm
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[1:05] <FBeans> hola all
[1:05] <FBeans> messing about with joysticks and controllers etc atm
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[1:06] <FBeans> anyone know of any good sources to learn, and configure stuff like ps2 controllers on the pi
[1:06] <FBeans> ?
[1:07] <FBeans> anyone even up?
[1:07] <FBeans> I guess this is mostly a UK channel, and everyone is asleep as it's sunday evening
[1:10] * PhotoJim is sitting in Winnipeg International Airport, but has no intelligent answer :)
[1:10] <FBeans> lol
[1:10] <FBeans> awesome enough response :D
[1:10] <PhotoJim> at the tail end of a YQR-DEN-TPA/TPA-DEN-YYZ/YYZ-YWG-YQR trip :)
[1:10] <FBeans> Im going to try and make myself a pi arcade coffee table
[1:11] <PhotoJim> cool.
[1:11] <FBeans> like the one some guy recently did
[1:11] <FBeans> but almost certainly not as good
[1:11] <FBeans> so im going for some emulators, some controller support
[1:11] <crenn> Anyone having problems with gcc?
[1:11] <FBeans> and then i'll program an interface
[1:12] <FBeans> If you're having gcc problems, I feel bad for you son, I have 99 problems, but the compiler ain't one!
[1:12] <FBeans> (also, sorry, not helpful at all.)
[1:12] <crenn> It's fine, not your fault it's not working
[1:13] <crenn> When I try to compile, I'm getting this: "collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]
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[1:14] <crenn> This is what I'm using to build it: sudo gcc -o spiLCD -I ./bcm2835-1.5/src/ ./bcm2835-1.5/src/bcm2835.c spimapleLCD.c
[1:14] <crenn> And yes, the sudo is not needed, but thought I'd throw it in there just in case
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[1:15] <FBeans> crenn: have you googled the issue?
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[1:16] <Wiisel> FBeans: http://petrockblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/the-retropie-gpio-adapter/
[1:16] <crenn> FBeans: Yep, and no help so far relating to the RPi, going to probably need to branch out though
[1:16] <FBeans> I have no useful c++ knowledge, but It's almost certainly not a GCC issue, its probably specfic to what you are trying to compile
[1:18] <FBeans> hmm Wiisel, my plan is USB powered hub, and xbox/ps2/ps1 controllers
[1:18] <FBeans> so the GPIO route is not quite for me
[1:18] <crenn> Fun thing is, spimapleLCD.c has compiled fine before with that command, but not now
[1:19] <[deXter]> Btw, anyone here upgraded from a Class 6 SD card to a Class 10 and noticed any performance improvement at all?
[1:20] <Wiisel> why all the different pads?
[1:20] <rikkib> wordpress and iceweasel do not like each other
[1:20] <Wiisel> just get anything working and padhack it to real arcade sticks and buttons
[1:21] <FBeans> Wiisel: well really, I don't have a specfic plan
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[1:22] <FBeans> my plan was, "I have these controllers..."
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[1:22] <Wiisel> at most pi will emulate psx and ps1 pads are perfect for pad hacking :)
[1:22] <Wiisel> probably better off using an old laptop or something other than a pi tho tbh
[1:23] <FBeans> ok so pad hacking is the banana I want. I think I have a ps2 pad with an adapter to USB
[1:23] <FBeans> yea, I agree, but where's teh fun there?
[1:23] * plugwash looks at the log
[1:23] <Wiisel> in the games you can play
[1:23] <FBeans> I think i'll start with my main PC and then see if I cant get the pi sorted
[1:24] <FBeans> well, it would be nice to use my pi for something
[1:24] <Gosy> how do i enable the GUI on the rbp?
[1:24] <FBeans> my main plan is really old crappy games
[1:24] <Wiisel> srk is good for pad hacking info and some awesome custom joystics
[1:24] <FBeans> Gosy: what distribution?
[1:24] <Gosy> raspian
[1:24] <FBeans> vov
[1:24] <s5fs> whats the recommended distro right now?
[1:25] <FBeans> no idea, is tehre one
[1:25] <FBeans> Im using arch
[1:25] <FBeans> it comes with no windows manager
[1:25] <FBeans> but it takes 5mins to set something like xfce up
[1:25] <s5fs> i don't need no gui
[1:25] <FBeans> Wiisel: srk, I will look into this
[1:26] <FBeans> s5fs: fe, im currently working on playing games, so some form of gui will be nice
[1:26] <FBeans> I will probably revery to just using X tho
[1:26] <FBeans> *revert
[1:26] <Wiisel> http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php
[1:26] <s5fs> FBeans: fun stuff, i built a mame cab about 10yrs ago
[1:27] <s5fs> thought about doing a small coffee table or similar with the pi, but i likely won't.
[1:28] <FBeans> it seemed so easy, so im going for it
[1:28] <FBeans> It will be well used tho, might even make one for work
[1:29] <s5fs> what sort of cabinet/enclosure are you looking to build?
[1:29] <FBeans> coffee table
[1:29] <s5fs> sweet
[1:30] <FBeans> so easy to do
[1:30] <FBeans> not sure on how easy to use it will be
[1:30] <FBeans> also, it means I can just mount a monitor in it
[1:30] <FBeans> rather than trying to use some expensive screen
[1:30] <FBeans> basially, going for the poor man's arcade
[1:30] <s5fs> agreed
[1:31] <FBeans> so the only thing I need to buy is a usb hub for the controllers
[1:31] <FBeans> then all the power will go into an extension lead
[1:31] <FBeans> and then it will just have one plug
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[1:32] <FBeans> all of it will be easily mountable to a coffee table, then i'll do my best to clean it up and make it look cool
[1:32] <FBeans> I was thinking perspex sides
[1:32] <s5fs> that's pretty cool
[1:32] <FBeans> so that you can just see everything
[1:32] <IT_Sean> In that case, it'll need a lot of LEDs. Light it up like a battefeild.
[1:33] <FBeans> lol
[1:33] <FBeans> I think maybe I could hide it all, still have perspex, but then put a hamster cage in there with a cable connected from the wheel
[1:33] <FBeans> so when people see it they are "WTF - hamster powered arcade"
[1:34] <FBeans> because normal people don't understand computers
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[1:35] <FBeans> the most fun should be creating a program to interface with the contollers, and emulators/native games
[1:35] <FBeans> plan is to abstract all the faff of loading an emulator and configuring a controller away
[1:35] <FBeans> so its just, turn on, choose game, plug conroller, play
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[1:36] <FBeans> i'd love to get fullscreen pong working
[1:36] <FBeans> that's the 1st goal
[1:36] <FBeans> 2 player, 2 controllers
[1:36] <FBeans> coffee table pong
[1:36] <s5fs> sweet idea
[1:36] <unreal-dude> anybody got any tutorials for spi via python?
[1:38] <Wiisel> hack some old atari 2600 paddles into a mini cocktail cab for pong :)
[1:38] <FBeans> then the future future plan would be to wrap it all up in a good tutorial, and a binary, so people can implement the same thing, and take it too more fun levels
[1:38] <FBeans> I guess that is essentially the whole idea for the pi
[1:39] <FBeans> do something fun, share it, someone else uses it, more fun, ..... then something really fun/ usefull is produced
[1:39] <Wiisel> so far pi has me watching more TV :D
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[1:41] <[deXter]> Does anyone know what the keyboard in this picture is called? http://www.skpang.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IMG_00041.jpg
[1:42] <IT_Sean> Dunno what it's called, exactly, but search ebay for small bluetooth keyboard and you'll find it
[1:42] <IT_Sean> it's cheap chinese crap, so... all over ebay.
[1:42] <IT_Sean> You cannot not find it. :p
[1:42] <[deXter]> :/
[1:43] <FBeans> lol
[1:44] <FBeans> What I like about cheap keyboards: when you spill beer on them, it doesn't really matter
[1:44] * IT_Sean is typing on a slightly not-cheap keyboard at the moment, which he loves.
[1:45] <Wiisel> "Mini wireless keyboard ? Amazon"
[1:45] <s5fs> i'm pure laptop these days, if i spill on my keyboard i'm bummed
[1:45] <FBeans> when I learn to care for my keyboards, i'll get a good one ;)
[1:45] <FBeans> I'm thinking about getting a model M at work
[1:45] <Wiisel> heh this ones god knows how old with missing keys
[1:45] <s5fs> man, i used mechanical keyboards forever, not sure what the fascination with them is
[1:46] <FBeans> mainly to piss off the other devs with the sound
[1:46] <FBeans> click click
[1:46] <FBeans> they are pretty awesome to use
[1:46] <FBeans> but, it's 50% usablility and 50% look how cool my keyboard is: click click
[1:46] <s5fs> they're loud, i'll give you that
[1:46] * IT_Sean uses a Logitech Illuminated
[1:46] <[deXter]> they also sound impressive when you're talking to someone over the phone and you're typing away at blazing speeds
[1:47] <Wiisel> i refuse to pay a lot for a keyboard i only touch with one finger
[1:47] <FBeans> I might get one, (i forget it's name) with no keynames on it
[1:47] <FBeans> so its just a bunch of black keys
[1:47] <FBeans> and I think its mechanical
[1:47] <s5fs> yeah, coworker has one
[1:47] <FBeans> so people are all: wtf is that
[1:48] <FBeans> lol Wiisel
[1:48] <Wiisel> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rii-2-4GHz-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad/dp/B004FSFYG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352076483&sr=8-1
[1:48] <Wiisel> looks like the one
[1:48] <[deXter]> hmm
[1:49] <IT_Sean> Aye... that looks like it.
[1:49] <[deXter]> nice, and it comes with a low-profile receiver too!
[1:49] <[deXter]> There are literally dozens of keyboards out there which look similar but are all slightly different in one way or other..
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[1:50] <[deXter]> wish they didn't use a mini-usb port though
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[2:53] <Tachyon`> Wiisel, do NOT buy the rii
[2:53] <Tachyon`> I made that error with my Pi
[2:53] <Tachyon`> and shortly had to buy another keybaord that was actually usable
[2:54] <Tachyon`> unless you're 7 you won't be typing on it easily, also the range is terrible
[2:54] <knoppies> Today Im going to try one of those PS/2 to USB converters to see if I can get a PS2 keyboard working on the Pi.
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[2:58] <SpeedEvil> I have a think pad track point keyboard hooked to one
[2:58] <SpeedEvil> works well
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[3:22] <tanto> i want a raspberry pi so bad, why are they all sold out :)
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[3:25] <plugwash> where are you?
[3:25] <tanto> texas
[3:25] <plugwash> :(
[3:26] <tanto> signed up to be notified, and it said 5-10 days, so i'm hoping to have one soon-ish
[3:27] * plugwash would suggest actually placing an order (assuming you are talking about newark/mcm)
[3:27] <tanto> whats the url for that one?
[3:28] <tanto> i think i was looking at sparkfun
[3:28] <tanto> i'm new to all of this stuff, only really know of a few sites to order from
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[3:29] <plugwash> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302
[3:29] <tanto> thanks
[3:29] <plugwash> they are currently saything 9th dec but they usually beat their estimates and noone else in the US is likely to have them before newark do
[3:30] <plugwash> because newark are the main distributor for farnell made Pis in the US so basically everyone else in the US will be getting their Pis from them
[3:30] <plugwash> (allied are the US distributor for RS made Pis but RS are terriblly backordered)
[3:31] <tanto> what are the difference between farnell and rs ?
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[3:33] <plugwash> farnell and rs are the two companies who are making and distributing Pis
[3:33] <plugwash> and farnell are doing a much better job of keeping up with demand than RS are
[3:34] <tanto> is the quality the same?
[3:35] <plugwash> I'm not aware of any quality differences but the only people who really know for sure will be those who can see the returns numbers, not us plebs
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[3:35] <tanto> ah ok
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[3:38] <locutox> i want my rpi:(
[3:39] <des2> Farnell is making 30,000/month at the Sony plant in the UK
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[4:21] <lickalott> anyone in here run xbian on a regular basis?
[4:31] <Jungle-Boogie> somewhat regular
[4:32] <Jungle-Boogie> what's up, lickalott
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[4:33] <lickalott> long story long... i had 8.2 but needed the SD card for something else so I wiped it. When i went to reload the only image that would work was .6.
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[4:34] <lickalott> my question is; can I go right to 8.3 from there or do i need to traverse the xbian releases to get there?
[4:35] <lickalott> It's weird though...i can download the image(s) but when i go to extract i get corrupted or missing parts.
[4:37] <lickalott> got anything on that Jungle-Boogie
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[4:42] <Jungle-Boogie> you should be able to install to the newest one
[4:42] <Jungle-Boogie> http://xbian.org/downloads/
[4:42] <Jungle-Boogie> 0.8.3
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[5:20] <lickalott> i tried and when it was done, I tried to extract and it gave me the same errors.
[5:21] <lickalott> Jungle-Boogie......i'm a dumbass!
[5:21] <lickalott> i was trying to extract with winrar.
[5:21] <lickalott> as soon as I used 7zip it worked.
[5:21] <lickalott> sorry to waste your time man.
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[5:49] <kingcrawler> hi does anybody here use fedora remix?
[5:50] <kingcrawler> and know how to start graphical mode from command line?
[5:50] <kingcrawler> i tried "startx" and I get a gnome failed to load error
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[5:55] <kingcrawler> btw I figured it out
[5:55] <kingcrawler> its startxfce4 not startx with fedora remix out of box
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[5:57] <hays_> if i am in the us is there a better way to get an r-pi then to wait for aliied electronics to get them in?
[5:57] <hays_> also what will i need to get linux on it? probably will stick with debian unless theres a reason to try something different
[5:58] <bircoe> can't answer you first question...
[5:59] <bircoe> to boot linux on a Pi you need 3 things, an SD card, an image for that SD card and a computer to write that image to the card.
[5:59] <bircoe> official images are here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[6:00] <bircoe> and the quick start guide is here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide
[6:01] <hays_> thanks
[6:01] <hays_> hrm about the usa thing though.. the website says "several months"
[6:02] <bircoe> what abotu Farnell/E14?
[6:02] <bircoe> I just ordered one from E14, took 2 days to arrive
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[6:03] <hays_> can't find their US site
[6:04] <bircoe> element14 have an US site
[6:04] <bircoe> well sort of
[6:04] <bircoe> http://www.newark.com/
[6:05] <bircoe> no stock tho
[6:05] <bircoe> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302
[6:06] <bircoe> Adafruit sell them as well, their based in NY
[6:06] <bircoe> https://www.adafruit.com/products/998
[6:06] <bircoe> fantastic bunch to deal with
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[6:07] <bircoe> i ordered the Ultimate GPS breakout from them, they sent me the wrong one, sending a new one and told me to keep the other one!
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[6:09] <hays_> hmm maybe i will hold out until things get a little less crazy
[6:09] <hays_> everyone is out of stock
[6:09] <hays_> this device looks neat because it will let me hook to a touchscreen for a project i want... a little easier than arduino
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[6:11] <hays_> using the gpio looks maybe a bit complicated though
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[6:26] <mrlespaulman> Anyone have any luck running DGEN?
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[6:33] <Jungle-Boogie> Thermoelectric, i was trying to use a class four card for various images and even though it was verified on the wiki, it i couldn't boot the images. you should see if you have a friend with a class 6 or higher SD card to see if it will work.
[6:37] <Thermoelectric> Jungle-Boogie, Hmm, okay. I'll see if the new card works, else I'll try a class 6. Should have asked in here before I bought it!
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[6:52] <kingcrawler> i need larger SD cards!!!
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[8:08] <bircoe> Jungle-Boogie, the class of card is unimportant...
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[8:08] <bircoe> I've got Class 6's 4's and 2's here and even a couple of 1gb pree class cards that all work fine
[8:08] <bircoe> it's more likely to be the brand of the card or an issue with the card itself
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[9:14] <Jck_true> I had a card randomly die on me - Had to reflash the image to make th rasp boot again - They SD card controllers are still a bit creepy
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps.
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[10:18] <nid0> ello
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[10:23] <Armand> morning, gordonDrogon .o/
[10:24] <Jck_true> Just need the first proper iPad Mini cases to arrive :D
[10:24] * bagpuss_thecat waves through the mist of painkillers and coffee
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[10:24] <Jck_true> bagpuss_thecat: Don't drink and code!
[10:25] <bagpuss_thecat> :-)
[10:25] * bagpuss_thecat is far from coding, and is currently scratching his head over SNMP weirdness at the other side of the country
[10:25] <bagpuss_thecat> at least it's not routing changes like last time, where I managed to saw off the branch I was sitting on
[10:26] <Jck_true> I'm just adding another entry to my RaspberryPi hardware list
[10:27] <bagpuss_thecat> what is it?
[10:28] <Jck_true> bagpuss_thecat: Oh just a PDF file with stuff I've bought from DX.com and tested with the raspberry
[10:28] <Jck_true> (Lame way of getting refferals :)
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[10:28] <bagpuss_thecat> :-)
[10:28] <bagpuss_thecat> I'm banning myself from looking at new hardware. too many things already, and too many projects
[10:28] <Jck_true> bagpuss_thecat: furyfire.info/raspberrypi/accessories.pdf
[10:30] <bagpuss_thecat> wait, what?
[10:30] <bagpuss_thecat> that mini voltmeter is so cute
[10:30] <bagpuss_thecat> DAMN YOU! :-)
[10:30] <Jck_true> bagpuss_thecat: Haha :P - I bought the solar panel thing on the page
[10:30] <Jck_true> (And acciedntially broke it...
[10:30] <bagpuss_thecat> hehehe
[10:31] <Jck_true> So Now I just soldered the voltmeter to the solar panel and leave it in the window)
[10:33] <bagpuss_thecat> niiice :-)
[10:43] <Jck_true> bagpuss_thecat: Updated it with two additional items (Carrying case and a voltage regulator) - And yes I know I should do this more properly and I plan todo so when i get my webpage running properly :)
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[10:51] <Armand> Ohh, yes.. solar!
[10:51] * Armand checks
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[10:54] <Cadmi> Hello
[10:55] <Armand> Hi, Cadmi
[10:55] <Cadmi> hello armand
[10:55] <Cadmi> do you know if i can connect parallel rgb lcd on raspberry?
[10:55] <tero> hi guys. I am trying to setup 3g modem on pi.. I was trying to use sakis3g but their site is not working :(
[10:55] <Cadmi> i need small lcd sun-readable for it
[10:55] <tero> any ideas where can I get it?
[10:55] <Cadmi> and i see, more common interfaces are parallel rgb
[10:57] <Armand> Jck_true, I went for a much bigger solar setup myself. ^_^
[10:58] <Jck_true> Armand: Got a tiny problem with import customs here not allowing items above the 13USD of value
[10:58] <Armand> O_O
[10:59] <Jck_true> Otherwise I get charged 27 USD in handling + 25% in VAT
[10:59] <Jck_true> So I went for the cheapest and worst :)
[10:59] <Armand> I've only ever ordered real cheap stuff from overseas.
[11:00] <Armand> Thankfully most of the stuff I needed was already in the UK.
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[11:03] <Jck_true> I should get back working on my new webpage :|
[11:04] <tero> does this site works for you or is just me? http://www.sakis3g.org/
[11:05] <Jck_true> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.sakis3g.org
[11:06] <Armand> sarcasm win. :P
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[11:06] <Waldi_> anyone got fritz!wlan working on raspbian?
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[11:33] <Tachyon`> hrm, are CPC and Element 14 the same company
[11:33] <Tachyon`> because I'm damn sure I ordered from element14 but here I am lookinga t a CPC invoice that I didn't notice at the time
[11:34] <Draylor> yup
[11:35] <Draylor> farnell / cpc / element14 - diff names/divisions of hte same thing
[11:35] <Tachyon`> ah right
[11:36] <Tachyon`> the order did go a bit oddly so I did wonder
[11:36] <Tachyon`> (site said pi in stock, email saying pi out of stock and to wait 4 weeks, pi arrives two days later etc.)
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[11:42] <Armand> What's the safe upper limit for the +5V USB input ?
[11:42] <Armand> (power connection)
[11:42] <Jck_true> 140ma?
[11:42] <Armand> Sorry, voltage limit
[11:42] <Jck_true> Not sure what you mean with that...
[11:43] <Armand> What is the maximum safe voltage?
[11:43] <Jck_true> The USB specs saids 5V +- 5% - so that's 4V75 and 5V25
[11:43] <Armand> Okies
[11:43] <Armand> Thank you
[11:51] <mumbles> yay my pibow has arived
[11:51] <Cadmi> has parallel rgb another name ?
[11:51] <Cadmi> i don't find so many information on internet
[11:53] <Draylor> :)
[11:53] <Waldi_> if i insert my wlan usb stick in my raspberry pi directly it reboots instantly, what can this cause? if i use a hub it does not
[11:54] <Waldi_> too low current?
[11:54] <Armand> mumbles, it looks like a nice case design.. not keen on the rainbow colouring though.
[11:54] <Sonny_Jim> Waldi_: Mine does that as well, it's annoying
[11:54] <SzArAk> Waldi_: to high power consumption peak, just plug it in before booting pi
[11:54] <Sonny_Jim> I think a powered USB hub would fix that
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[11:55] <Waldi_> ok, it's also working if i use a usb extension
[11:55] <FBeans> 02:33 < tanto> is the quality the same?
[11:56] <FBeans> um, yea, Farnell and RS just distribute the pi.
[11:56] <ExeciN> How can I ssh into my rpi but keep the output on the physical monitor?
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> ExeciN, that's nothing stopping that.
[11:56] <Waldi_> anyone using carl9170?
[11:56] <FBeans> ExeciN: if you use the program screen
[11:57] <Waldi_> ExeciN vpn
[11:57] <Waldi_> ? :D
[11:57] <FBeans> then you can view the same stuff on both monitors
[11:57] <FBeans> everyone should always use screen (or alternatives)
[11:58] <FBeans> because i'ts the most useful thing EVER!
[11:58] <Sonny_Jim> screen is certainly handy, although I've never used it for split screen like that
[11:58] <ExeciN> Every time I try to ssh into my rpi i get the output on the ssh client. I want the output at least on the physically connected monitor.
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[11:59] <ExeciN> Am I missing an argument?
[11:59] <Sonny_Jim> Remote desktop would be easier and quicker to setup
[11:59] <Amorsen> You ssh in and it changes where something is output? Err?
[11:59] <ExeciN> Remote desktop also uses much more ram
[11:59] <Fleck> and slower
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[11:59] <Sonny_Jim> Plug a keyboard in and use that?
[12:00] <Fleck> ;p
[12:00] <ExeciN> It doesn't matter what I am doing through ssh, the monitor still shows the system in idle state
[12:01] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, the screenblank will kick in
[12:01] <Tachyon`> setterm -blank 0
[12:01] <Sonny_Jim> And that's exactly how ssh is supposed to work, remember Unix was for big multi-user systems
[12:01] <Tachyon`> will disable screenblank at the console
[12:02] <Sonny_Jim> You could always log the output of screen (screen -L) and then tail the output (tail -f screen.log)
[12:02] <Amorsen> "synergy" is what you want, but I am not sure how well it works without X
[12:02] <Tachyon`> you can also redirect the output of commands to /dev/tty12 or w/e and have your systen display that
[12:02] <Tachyon`> hrm, or you could do that
[12:02] <Tachyon`> although would a screen log contain all the control codes etc. or does it strip things out to make them more human readable
[12:02] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah
[12:03] <Amorsen> It looks like synergy works on the Pi
[12:03] <Sonny_Jim> You *can* view a running screen session, I just can't remember how
[12:03] <FBeans> ExeciN: what is your goal, what are you actually trying to do? SSH is for remotley connecting to the command line of another maching (amonst about another million things). But it's not designed to show things on two monitors.. it can be done though
[12:04] <Amorsen> http://synergy-foss.org/da/
[12:04] <Amorsen> Err http://synergy-foss.org/
[12:04] <Sonny_Jim> From the sounds of it I think he wants console only
[12:04] <Sonny_Jim> Otherwise x11vnc would have sorted this problem already
[12:04] <ExeciN> What about only the physical monitor instead of the remote?
[12:05] <Sonny_Jim> I think tbh synergy and X would be the best bet
[12:05] <FBeans> ExeciN: try this.
[12:06] <Sonny_Jim> As synergy doesn't transfer the picture over the network, only mouse/keyboard it'll be fairly snappy
[12:06] <FBeans> 1. on the local machine, install screen.
[12:06] <FBeans> Then run screen, "screen"
[12:06] <FBeans> 2. On the other machine, ssh in using the same user
[12:07] <FBeans> and then connect to the same screen session using "screen -x"
[12:07] <FBeans> you will then have the same terminal window open locally and remotely
[12:07] <Sonny_Jim> Or there's this:
[12:07] <Sonny_Jim> http://superuser.com/questions/67659/linux-share-keyboard-over-network
[12:07] <Sonny_Jim> Good old netcat
[12:08] <FBeans> there are about a billion ways to do what you are asking. But ideally you'd explain exactly what you want to do first, so we can recomend the most relevant thing...
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[12:10] <ExeciN> I want to "type" without connecting a keyboard
[12:11] <Sonny_Jim> Try the link I posted
[12:11] <Sonny_Jim> That's about as close as plugging a physical keyboard in and uses the least resources
[12:15] <Sonny_Jim> (plus I'm interested to see if it would actually work)
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[12:20] <Armand> w00t!
[12:20] <Armand> I've got 5V stable into the board from solar. :)
[12:20] <Armand> Cheated somewhat and went straight for the micro USB input to save on buying a fuse. :P
[12:21] <Cadmi> Do you know what is parralel rgb? a connector? a protocol?
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[12:23] <phire> I think its more of a protocol than a connector
[12:24] <Cadmi> i don't find any webpage that explains it
[12:24] <Cadmi> i don't know if maybe it has another name
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> RGb is ... RGB - 3 connectors - more or less in parallel...
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[12:33] <phire> There are buses with 6 or 8 wires per colour
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> are there?
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> must be something pretty specialised...
[12:34] <lunra> No, think about 24bit colour
[12:34] <lunra> 8 bits for each color
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> sure, but that's usually inside a chip. very very rare to get that externally these days.
[12:35] <lunra> While analog RGB is generally just three wires.
[12:35] <phire> and then there is the DPI bus, which is actually supported on the bcm2807
[12:35] <phire> but not routed on the rpi
[12:35] <phire> 8, 16 or 18 wires
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> isn't that serialised though?
[12:35] <phire> No, thats the DSI bus
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> dsi. dpi. gah!
[12:36] <Armand> Yayz!
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[12:36] * Armand has Pi powered by solar
[12:36] <lunra> I'm surprised your panel is pushing enough current
[12:36] <lunra> but glad :D
[12:37] <Armand> Well, it's on a 12v regulator with 3x 12v batteries. :D
[12:37] <Armand> I've got about 21Ah of charge there.
[12:37] <lunra> Ah :)
[12:37] <Amorsen> Some people have been playing with replacing the LDO with a switching regulator, for 75% power savings
[12:37] <Amorsen> I don't know if any succeeded yet
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[12:38] <Armand> I've used a 5v regulator to supply a USB front port that I pinched from an old PC.
[12:38] <Armand> that way, I still have the polyfuse on the Pi board. :)
[12:39] <FBeans> so by that you mean, that your Pi is running on batteries
[12:39] <Armand> ohh yes. :D
[12:39] <FBeans> and has a solar panel plugged into it ;)
[12:39] <Armand> Yup
[12:39] <FBeans> going to test it
[12:39] <FBeans> leave it out all day
[12:39] <FBeans> see when it dies
[12:40] <lunra> is it for fun, or some amazing project?
[12:40] <Armand> It's working now.. so, let's see if it's still on tomorrow.
[12:40] <FBeans> how long can 3 12V batteries last?
[12:40] <lunra> I mean, it's a project in its own right
[12:40] <Armand> I'm going to expand the project to run 4 Pi.
[12:40] <Armand> Each will host an individual website.
[12:40] <FBeans> please tell me that you are goiing to put it into a helium balloon and send it into the edge of space
[12:41] <FBeans> and then make it fall back to earth breaking the sound barrier
[12:41] <FBeans> FelixPi
[12:41] <Armand> FBeans, if we assume a max draw of ~500mA, then 21Ah lasts around 42hrs.
[12:41] <Armand> I think... :P
[12:41] <FBeans> that sounds pretty reasonable
[12:41] <Armand> I do have another battery, which would give me 28Ah
[12:41] <FBeans> and how quickly can the panel charge the batteries
[12:42] <lunra> Sadly batteries aren't 100% efficient when run outside their optimal drain current. But should be negligable.
[12:42] <Armand> Not very, I guess.. I've not tested a good output yet, with the crappy weather.
[12:42] <Armand> lunra, assumed figures at the moment
[12:42] <Armand> These are deep-cycle batteries, lead acid.
[12:42] <FBeans> Armand: I take it you are in the UK.
[12:42] <Armand> Yup, London
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[12:43] <FBeans> So it will die in 42 hours and com back up again in about 7months
[12:43] <FBeans> oo Im also in London :D
[12:43] <Armand> lol
[12:43] <Armand> I'm planning to install my panels on the roof, so.. that will be better.
[12:44] <Armand> So far, I only have a single 20W panel.
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[12:44] <FBeans> that's all pretty cool
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[12:44] <FBeans> I like Pis
[12:44] <Armand> Me too. :D
[12:44] <FBeans> I'm going for a arcade machine
[12:44] <Armand> Sounds like fun. :)
[12:44] <FBeans> but need to fill a gap in knoweldge
[12:44] <FBeans> mainly how linux deals with input
[12:45] <FBeans> I want to create a pi that can take any usb controller
[12:45] <FBeans> and any old game or ROM
[12:45] <Armand> I really have no idea.. I'm going headless with no peripherals
[12:45] <FBeans> and just be able to play anything
[12:45] <FBeans> (limiting, of course, to the PIs performance)
[12:46] <FBeans> so all of nes and snes and gameboys and DOS and linux native's (if simple)
[12:46] <FBeans> and just program an interface to emulators etc
[12:46] <FBeans> so that it's literally plug, choose play.
[12:46] <FBeans> Not plug, spend hours configuring everything... give up.
[12:47] <Armand>
[12:48] <Armand> Well, the hours will be spent doing all your config to get it into a running state... then it's all fun. :D
[12:48] <Armand> temp=38.5?C (101.30?F)
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[13:00] <[SLB]> Armand, there's some problem with drupal, maybe you need some rewrite rules or something
[13:00] <Armand> Do explain.
[13:01] <[SLB]> or maybe just slow, i got mysql errors earlier, trying to open the comments on a post of yours
[13:01] <[SLB]> reloaded a few times and it slowly opened now
[13:01] <[SLB]> are you using some caching system maybe?
[13:02] <Armand> Oohh... it might have bombed. I was testing the voltage.
[13:02] <[SLB]> ah ok eheh
[13:02] <[SLB]> it's working now
[13:03] <Armand> I had to crank up the LV regulator a little.. it was dipping below 4.75
[13:03] <[SLB]> i see
[13:03] <Armand> I turned it up to 5.2v, just to be safe.
[13:04] <[SLB]> eheh
[13:06] <Armand> Now it works... I should look at making the wiring safe and secure.
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[13:25] <Tachyon`> safe and secure is overrated
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[13:26] <Armand> Well.. I am overly paranoid about the chances of killing my first unit.
[13:26] <Armand> That's why I've gone for the USB port, rather than an inline fuse from the LV regulator.
[13:31] <Cadmi> can i connect a parallel rgb lcd module to raspberry?
[13:31] <Cadmi> i think that i can connect to GPIO (using an expander, because the lcd has more than 30 signals)
[13:31] <Cadmi> but it imagine that i have to write a driver later
[13:31] <Cadmi> right?
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[13:34] <Tachyon`> that would be quite slow
[13:34] <Tachyon`> you can get 8 bit displays, also SPI
[13:34] <Tachyon`> you might consider one of those
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[13:37] <Cadmi> Tachyon` why it can be slow?
[13:38] <Cadmi> i need a full color lcd with touchpanel, and i saw overinternet that the most are Parallel RGB
[13:38] <Tachyon`> well the expander ICs always slow things down for obvious reasons, even if it were 100% efficient which it isn't, you'd be going a quarter speed doing 32 bits witha n 8 bit port and I seriously doubt it being anywhere near even that fast, you're much better off just buying the correct type of display
[13:38] <Tachyon`> one second, I'll look for the one I used last time
[13:39] <Cadmi> ok thank you
[13:40] <Cadmi> i'm looking displays at panelook.com, I suppose you know this page. It has a very big Database of displays, and my conclusion is that 95% use paralel rgb interface
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[13:40] <Cadmi> so using SPI or I2C take me out options to choose diferent models of displays
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[13:41] <Cadmi> look this please:
[13:41] <Cadmi> http://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&pagesize=50&order=panel_id&panel_type=&product_composition=&brand_family=&application=&rohs_compliance=&inch_low=3.7&inch_high=6.5&resolution_pixels=&aspect_ratio=&surface_glare=&touch_screen=&display_mode_polarizer=&brightness_low=-1&brightness_high=-1&transmissive_cr=-1&gray_depth_main=&display_colors_amount=&color_saturation=-1
[13:41] <Cadmi> &viewing_angle_function=-1&3d_display=&sunlight_readable=&signal_type_category=&vertical_frequency=&reverse_scan=&lamp_type=&lamp_unit_replaceable=&lamp_life_time=-1&embeded_lamp_driver_board=&operating_temperature_low=-20&operating_temperature_high=60&button=Search
[13:41] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181008290930
[13:41] <Tachyon`> there, cheap, spi and touchscreen
[13:42] <Cadmi> i need it bigger
[13:42] <Cadmi> between 4 and 6"
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[13:42] <Tachyon`> ah right
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[13:43] <Cadmi> Tachyon` with the screen you suggest me should i write a driver?
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[13:43] <Tachyon`> I suspect there'll be libraries for it already
[13:43] <Tachyon`> but I doubt it'd be that hard if there aren't
[13:43] <Tachyon`> it is only serial at the end of the day
[13:43] <Tachyon`> and those displays are intelligent
[13:44] <Cadmi> parallel more difficult probably?
[13:44] <Tachyon`> IE: you can send command to say draw this primitive or output this text here
[13:44] <Tachyon`> very muchmore difficult
[13:44] <Cadmi> thought it's 8 wire
[13:44] <Tachyon`> the one I mention can do both parallel and SPI
[13:44] <Tachyon`> btu I'd be using it in SPI mode
[13:44] <Tachyon`> also beware screens that are parallel for the LCD and SPI for the touchscreen only
[13:44] <RaycisCharles> What's the coolest things you guys have done with your Rpi?
[13:44] <Tachyon`> I got burned once that way
[13:45] <Cadmi> aham
[13:45] <Cadmi> Tachyon` the problem is that the most lcd are parallel rgb
[13:45] <Cadmi> so i have more choises to choose
[13:45] <RaycisCharles> Cadmi, did you use the 512mb version for your ham?
[13:46] <Tachyon`> I realise that, but do you really want to eat the whole port with the display?
[13:46] <Cadmi> but if it's going to give me problems..
[13:46] <Tachyon`> they definitely make spi touchscreen ones in 3.5" but not sure about 4-6, never looked for anything that size
[13:46] <Cadmi> RaycisCharles i have to buy the raspberry yet
[13:47] <Cadmi> Tachyon` i can use an expander
[13:47] <Cadmi> GPIO expander, isnt it?
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[13:47] <Tachyon`> you can use expanders, there's also boards that will let you drive 16 bit displays with an 8 bit output
[13:48] <Cadmi> aham
[13:48] <Cadmi> What i exactly need is a lcd screen sun-readable of 5" more or less, full color
[13:48] <Tachyon`> it's just not how I'd do it but it's your project I suppose, lol
[13:48] <Tachyon`> heh, sun readable, good luck with that
[13:48] <Cadmi> haha
[13:48] <Cadmi> why?
[13:48] <Tachyon`> I've yet to own an LCD device with colour that I can read outside
[13:48] <Tachyon`> although the kindle is very nice in that respect at least
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[13:49] <Tachyon`> amazon seem to have given up on e-paper thoguh so buy your kindles while you still can
[13:49] <Cadmi> i hope
[13:49] <Tachyon`> they've gone with some horrible sidelite LCD for the new ones
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[13:49] <Cadmi> if the manufacturer tells it's sun readable...
[13:49] <Cadmi> it whould be :P
[13:49] <Cadmi> should*
[13:49] <Tachyon`> I wouldn't count on it
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[13:49] <Cadmi> it's very important for my project to be sun-readable
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[13:50] <Cadmi> maybe i should use oled?
[13:50] <Tachyon`> the only machine I've ever had that was sun readable was my OLPC XO and someone nicked that
[13:50] <Tachyon`> (maybe they liked the colour, I don't know)
[13:50] <Cadmi> what about oled?
[13:50] <Tachyon`> when my SGS3 arrives tomorrow I'll tell you
[13:50] <Tachyon`> lol
[13:50] <Cadmi> hahah
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[13:50] <Tachyon`> dont' have anything with OLED here atm
[13:50] <Cadmi> ok
[13:51] <Cadmi> one question
[13:51] <Cadmi> i saw that there are two different parallels interfaces for lcd
[13:51] <Cadmi> - Parallel RGB
[13:51] <Tachyon`> more
[13:51] <Cadmi> - Paralel Data
[13:51] <Cadmi> what's the difference?
[13:51] <Cadmi> i'm looking for the lcd on panelook.com
[13:51] <Tachyon`> there are two main standards for laptop screens
[13:51] <Cadmi> and the most are parallel rgb
[13:51] <Cadmi> aha
[13:51] <Tachyon`> and most are indeed parallel RGB
[13:51] <Tachyon`> however
[13:52] <Tachyon`> when you look at screens that are not laptop screens, all sorts of other standards appear
[13:52] <Tachyon`> 8/16 bit parallel for example
[13:52] <Tachyon`> serial, spi
[13:52] <Cadmi> 8/16 bit parallel is the same as rgb paralel ?
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[13:52] <Tachyon`> well, not the same as because RGB parallel has I thikn 8 lines per colour, then your clocks, syncs etc.
[13:52] <Cadmi> aha
[13:53] <Tachyon`> whereas the 8/16 bit ones just accept commands over a bus
[13:53] <Tachyon`> it's not raw rgb data as arule
[13:53] <Cadmi> ok let's imagine i buy a rgb parallel lcd (the only reason is because the 98% of the lcds are rgb parallel)
[13:54] <Tachyon`> I shold point out I've never atually done anything with teh laptop style screens, that connector looks tiny, heh, so may be hopelessly wrong but that's my impression from peering at the datasheets
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[13:54] <Cadmi> what should i do to connect it to my raspberry
[13:54] <Cadmi> aham
[13:54] <Cadmi> 1. Buy a GPIO expander
[13:54] <Tachyon`> really, you're just making things hard for yourself, heh
[13:54] <Cadmi> i understand
[13:54] <Tachyon`> and remember how quickly you have to access those screens
[13:55] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure the pi could ven drive one if you made the interface
[13:55] <Tachyon`> what with it not having a real time kernel and all
[13:55] <Cadmi> arg
[13:55] <Tachyon`> I think timing is fairly critical with them
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[13:55] <Tachyon`> what you might be able to do
[13:56] <Tachyon`> is make aninterface with a parallax propeller or something
[13:56] <Tachyon`> and have the pi control that
[13:56] <Tachyon`> witht he prop driving the display
[13:56] <Cadmi> aha i understand
[13:57] <Cadmi> and do you think it's difficult to drive an rgb parallel lcd?
[13:57] <Cadmi> should the manufacturer gives me any driver?
[13:58] <chithead> the manufacturer will give you a driver when it makes economic sense for him
[13:58] <Cadmi> grr
[13:58] <Cadmi> ok, so on the other hand, is it difficult to write a driver for an rgb lcd controller?
[13:59] <Cadmi> i would use any other interface, but looking on the market all the lcds are rgb parallel
[13:59] <Cadmi> there are few spi, or i2c
[14:00] <Cadmi> in fact,i didn't found any touchscreen SPI or I2c of 5"
[14:00] <Cadmi> color
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[14:03] <Wiisel> do all Pi's smell?
[14:03] <IT_Sean> O_o
[14:03] <Wiisel> mine always gives off that melting hot smell
[14:03] <IT_Sean> O_O
[14:03] <IT_Sean> RUN!!!!!!!!
[14:03] <Wiisel> its not that hot to touch tho
[14:04] <Tachyon`> ah, seems driving such an LCD with a prop is out of the question too due to pin/memory limits
[14:04] <Tachyon`> bah
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[14:04] <Tachyon`> oh yes, the toasting electronics smell
[14:04] <Tachyon`> that's normal
[14:05] <Wiisel> smells like its sizzled
[14:05] <Wiisel> its growing on me :D
[14:05] <Tachyon`> yeah, you just get that with very new stuff as a rule, normally you don't notice due to casing etc.
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[14:07] <Wiisel> had me worried i thought it was my modded SD reader
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[14:11] <Cadmi> Tachyon` memory limits also?
[14:11] <Tachyon`> not on the pi, more using the prop, the pi has enoguh for any reasonably sized framebuffer
[14:12] <Cadmi> ah ok
[14:12] <Cadmi> ops
[14:12] <Cadmi> i found a website where spi are more common
[14:12] <Cadmi> :P
[14:12] <Cadmi> http://www.trulydisplays.com/tft/index.html
[14:12] <Cadmi> in fact, lot of tfts supports many interfaces
[14:12] <Cadmi> o_O
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[14:14] <Cadmi> but i can't know if this are sun-readable
[14:16] <Cadmi> Tachyon` thanks for your help
[14:16] <Cadmi> ;)
[14:16] <Tachyon`> I think most won't be sunreadable
[14:16] <Tachyon`> however, you could always go with a hood or someting
[14:16] <Tachyon`> as used on camera LCDs so you can raed them outside
[14:17] <Tachyon`> not sure what your project actually is
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[14:17] <Cadmi> the lcd should go in a motorbike..
[14:17] <Cadmi> in the direction commander
[14:17] <Cadmi> by the way i found an lcd who says that the interface is MPU/SPI+RGB
[14:17] <Cadmi> SPi + RGB ?
[14:17] <Cadmi> both at the same time?
[14:18] <Cadmi> more difficult
[14:18] <Cadmi> omg
[14:18] <Cadmi> http://www.trulydisplays.com/tft/specs/4.0in%20480x800%20TFT480800-42-E%20Spec.pdf
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[14:23] <Armand> I'm reading 4.9v on my test points, with an input of 5.2v on the micro USB.. should I go up to 5.25v to get 5v on the board, or just leave it as is?
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[14:29] <ExeciN> I wrote a simple hello world program https://gist.github.com/0af9fd14ae2779f0f8a5 and when I click compile on Geany it is giving me this https://gist.github.com/f8687bc267d1c243be0a
[14:29] <ExeciN> what am I doing wrong?
[14:29] <Cadmi> Tachyon` last question please. I see that they are a lot of lcd that uses SPi + 6 bit for RGB. Should it be difficult also?
[14:29] <Tachyon`> tha'ts probably actually 18 bit + syncs, 6 bits per colour
[14:30] <Tachyon`> and spi for touchscreen only
[14:30] <Tachyon`> so yes, difficult
[14:30] <ExeciN> never-mind, I missed () after int main.
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[14:34] <Cadmi> mm
[14:34] <Cadmi> the idea is to get a lcd only using spi or i2c
[14:36] <Cadmi> Tachyon` whay about lvds or dsi?
[14:36] <Tachyon`> there's no DSI support as yet
[14:36] <Tachyon`> otherwise I'd have suggested those
[14:36] <Tachyon`> ah, leet o'clock
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[14:37] <Cadmi> yah i know :(
[14:38] <Cadmi> Tachyon` at which level rgb interface implies writting the driver? I mean, conceptually, what should the driver do?
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[14:38] <Tachyon`> hang on, got to call the quack
[14:38] <Cadmi> ok
[14:39] <Cadmi> sry
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[14:51] <Nik05> hey guys how do i properly check my SD card?
[14:51] <Hodapp> check it?
[14:51] <Nik05> fs check
[14:51] <Hodapp> use fsck
[14:51] <Nik05> i did `shutdown -r -F now`
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[14:51] <Nik05> and then looked at /var/log/fsck/fscheck
[14:52] <Nik05> but it only says:
[14:52] <Nik05> Log of fsck -C -R -A -a -f
[14:52] <Nik05> Thu Jan 1 01:00:15 1970
[14:52] <Nik05> then the version number and the date, after that nothing
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[15:10] <nid0> Nik05: just do a manual fsck and watch its output?
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[15:35] <yehnan> hi, I just booted up RISC OS on raspberry pi. How do I "shutdown" the OS?
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[15:37] <gordonDrogon> switch it off.
[15:38] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: just pull off the power plug?
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[15:40] <Maqs> seems RISCy.. (bad pun monday, sorry).. http://www.riscository.com/2011/three-times-a-shutdown/
[15:41] <Maqs> -> ctrl+shift+f12 should shut it down, but you have to switch if off manually after that
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[15:42] <yehnan> Maqs: I see. thanks
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[15:42] <Maqs> you're welcome
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[15:47] <Sonny_Jim> 32GB Class 4 branded SD card, ??10.50
[15:47] <Sonny_Jim> Fair price?
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[15:51] <yehnan> Sonny_Jim: seems cheap to me.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> Maybe it's changed - I don't recall doing anything special on my old Archimedes, but admittedly that was some time back!
[15:51] <Sonny_Jim> Heh
[15:51] <Sonny_Jim> I can't actually remember how to shut them down either
[15:52] <Sonny_Jim> Not in the right hand corner on the Acorn?
[15:52] <Sonny_Jim> Middle button
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> too fiddly... :)
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> I just push the off button on my laptops now.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> they then shutdown a few seconds later...
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[16:08] <tld> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TiXUF9xbTo <-- Brilliant. :)
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[16:17] <arcanescu> well after running froma day i get this from the kernel: [247835.563303] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000004
[16:17] <arcanescu> and kernel trap .. kdb
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[16:18] <odin_> xranby, afternoon, do you know about ARM JVM Warning: SIGPIPE handler expected:libjvm.so+0x28cbac found:0x00000001 issues ? maybe do to with signal handler chaining ?
[16:18] <arcanescu> the whole thing looks like this: http://pastebin.com/54Qxs1Bz im overclocked to 950 is that something to do with the overclocking?
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[16:25] <Sonny_Jim> What's considered a 'safe' overclock?
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[16:28] <arcanescu> not sure but it was just to point out that maybe the overclock is causing it to hang
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[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> Sheesh
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> My Pi boots in less than half the time with this class 4
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[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> Note to anyone in here about to buy a card, it's worth paying a little extra to get a reputable brand
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[16:38] <arcanescu> which brand?
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> Here's the thing, it's not even a brand I've heard of
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> Integral?
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> But I got it from my friend who runs his own online shop
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.shop4usb.co.uk
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[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> So I can go moan at him if it's dodgy ;-)
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> So far it's flying along
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[16:40] <tero> anyone here tried anything with uart port on the rpi?
[16:41] <tero> I can't get it to work on lower bitrate
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[16:43] <baconizer> haha, awesome
[16:43] <baconizer> just ordered :)
[16:43] <baconizer> i have so many plans
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[16:45] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: ive had integral cards
[16:46] <arcanescu> got them from maplin
[16:46] <arcanescu> but maplin are a ripoff
[16:46] <Sonny_Jim> How much?
[16:47] <arcanescu> it was > 10
[16:47] <arcanescu> im sure
[16:47] <baconizer> what accessories do i need to get started with some interfacing with my pi? besides a breadboard and some transistors for 120v, i figure
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[16:48] <baconizer> (like do i need power adapter?)
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[16:50] <des2> The GPIO pins use 3.3 v
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[16:51] <des2> So if you are going to send data as input to the PI you need some source of 3.3v
[16:51] <des2> The PI takes 5V input power.
[16:51] <baconizer> *nod* but it needs power right? it looks like the "board only" deals dont come w/ power supplies
[16:51] <baconizer> http://canada.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302?ref=lookahead
[16:51] <des2> Right the PI needs 5V at at least 700mA to work.
[16:51] <baconizer> thats what im ordering
[16:52] <baconizer> doesnt appear to come w/ PS
[16:52] <des2> A 5V 1Amp supply is recommended.
[16:52] <des2> With a micro USB connector.
[16:52] <baconizer> *nod*
[16:52] <baconizer> im putting together a laser beam interface that detects breaks in a beam
[16:53] <DeliriumTremens> are you trying to baconize poultry?
[16:53] <DeliriumTremens> with lasers?
[16:53] <baconizer> for halloween next year, so that kids will hit a button, start w/ 30 candy bars, and every time they break the beam it deducts 1 bar
[16:53] <baconizer> then when they get to the door they hit a button and it dispenses
[16:53] <baconizer> from a hopper
[16:54] <DeliriumTremens> what happens when one just walks up to your door, hits the button, then has a friend stand back at the "start" button and they just go back and forth
[16:54] <des2> such systems are problematic since they hav trouble when groups of kids arrive.
[16:54] <DeliriumTremens> getting 30 bars at a time
[16:54] <baconizer> oh, ill be supervising
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[16:55] <baconizer> i could multiply # of kids times 30bars when they start
[16:55] <baconizer> no big deal
[16:55] <baconizer> just want to settle everything i need to get started in one order
[16:55] <DeliriumTremens> 30 bars seems like an awful lot
[16:55] <baconizer> i expect the difficulty of the course to be high
[16:55] <baconizer> plus, big # of candybars = big incentive to play the game
[16:55] <DeliriumTremens> What if James Bond Jr. comes in?
[16:55] <Matt> you underestimate kids :)
[16:56] <baconizer> haha, im excited to see the results
[16:56] * baconizer will write a paper
[16:56] <baconizer> so, rasp pi, poewr supply, gotta find a camera or something to interpret beam interruption visually i guess
[16:56] <baconizer> anything else you gents/ladies recommend for first pi purchase ever?
[16:56] <baconizer> or is this overkill for the project i have in mind
[16:57] <baconizer> is there enough input/outputs on the pi, do i need to multiplex/demulti etc
[16:57] <baconizer> should i buy 2 considering the lag time for the pi's, as backup?
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[17:06] <scummos> backup? ;p
[17:06] <scummos> do you plan to fry it? :D
[17:07] <baconizer> dont plan to, murphys law tho
[17:07] <Sonny_Jim> baconizer: This is the sort of project which would be better carried out using 74xx logic chips, but I can see it being fun using a Pi to do it
[17:08] <Sonny_Jim> With a Pi you could record a video of the best 'run'
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[17:09] <baconizer> time to beat
[17:09] <baconizer> oh thats genius, work time into it
[17:09] <baconizer> so you have to be fast AND accurate
[17:11] <baconizer> ok just bought em
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[17:15] <Gunni> it makes me a sad panda that my rpi is now outdated :(
[17:16] <baconizer> whys that
[17:16] <DeliriumTremens> Gunni: buy another?
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[17:16] <Gunni> but import to Iceland is bloody expensive, even for such a cheap computer
[17:16] <Sonny_Jim> Cool, distcc was way easier to setup than I remember
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[17:17] <Gunni> and resellers in Iceland say that the owners of the pi's don't want resellers in Iceland to, well, resell it...
[17:18] <des2> Why is your PI outdated ?
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[17:20] <Gunni> 256 MB ram, when it's now sold with 512 MB
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[17:20] <Sonny_Jim> Does anything actually need more than 256MB at this point?
[17:21] <nid0> "need", or "work better with"?
[17:21] <des2> Consider your PI a model A with the addition of a 2nd usb + ethernet
[17:21] <Gunni> wasn't 640 K supposed to be enough?
[17:22] <Gunni> anyways, i'd like more, for some java shit i run sometimes and replacing an old pc with a rpi would be so classic
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[17:23] <Sonny_Jim> nid0: Well, it'll only 'work better' because it's not using swap and that only happens when you need more than 256MB
[17:24] <artag> java on the rpi is apparently unoptimal
[17:24] <Sonny_Jim> Having more RAM by default doesn't make things quicker, you can blame XP for peoples perception of that
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[17:24] <nid0> that's horribly wrong in many use cases
[17:25] <Matt> artag: suboptimal?
[17:25] <artag> that too
[17:25] <nid0> the pi will work much better through having more memory in many situations
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Such as?
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Desktop?
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[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Compiling?
[17:26] <Sonny_Jim> Two things that you shouldn't be buying a Pi for anyway
[17:26] <nid0> to name 3 off the top of my head, running as a webserver, running as a media centre, and on-device compilations
[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> You are trying to tell me a webserver with a 950MHz processor and an ethernet port connected via USB needs more than 256MB?
[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> The bottleneck is going to be elsewhere
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[17:27] <nid0> no, you're trying to tell me that it wont be better with more than 256MB
[17:27] <nid0> and thats bull
[17:27] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[17:28] <nid0> on a device like the pi, dynamic web content performance is about 95% down to cachine
[17:28] <nid0> g*
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[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[17:28] <nid0> and more memory = more caching
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> I suppose you buy Monster cable as well? :-p
[17:28] <nid0> no, I just have a clue
[17:28] <Sonny_Jim> heh
[17:29] <Sonny_Jim> I might go buy some more RAM, it might give me a clue
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[17:33] <scummos> why are you buying a pi if you care about performance
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> Eeeee... when I wur a lad, we had webservers running on 100MHz AMD chips with 128MB of RAM...
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[17:58] <nid0> nowadays we have webservers with 48GB of ram, throwing gobs of cache at crummily written code helps immensely
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[18:01] <Sonny_Jim> Quick, throw some cache at it! ;-)
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[18:03] <DeliriumTremens> make it rain!
[18:03] <jonconley> Sonny_Jim: http://www.downloadmoreram.com
[18:03] <tero> any ideas guys?
[18:03] <tero> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22143
[18:03] <Sonny_Jim> Have you tried minicom?
[18:04] <Sonny_Jim> The linux kernel serial/TTY layer is horrific, or at least it was when I last looked at it.
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[18:08] <gordonDrogon> tero, looks like you have an answer..
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[18:10] <arcanescu> i just dled more ram
[18:10] <arcanescu> woooho
[18:11] <FBeans> get more
[18:11] <FBeans> you can never have enough]#
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[18:11] <FBeans> the more you download, the faster you can download more
[18:11] <FBeans> then just download faster internets
[18:11] <FBeans> and get some MHz while you are their
[18:12] <Armand> Well, you ain't having none of my GHz.. ?_?
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[18:12] <odin_> xranby, I think the issue is that we are not using JVMs libjsig.so to do proper signal chaining, we seem to get away with it on intel, but not on ARM, this is also means the version of Qt for QtJambi is "special" to link QtCore/Gui/Webkit (at least) against libjsig.so
[18:12] <FBeans> if you have a 3d printer, a futeristic awesome one...
[18:12] <FBeans> I guess you could download ram
[18:12] <arcanescu> thanks thats all i needed more ram
[18:12] <arcanescu> now my pi wont hang
[18:12] <arcanescu> phew
[18:13] <FBeans> that's good
[18:13] <arcanescu> gstreamer -> pi hangs
[18:13] <FBeans> close call
[18:13] <arcanescu> fosters
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[18:14] <Armand> Carlsberg don't make mini PCs....
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[18:19] <arcanescu> they cud try
[18:20] <DeliriumTremens> yeah, Carlsberg makes beer
[18:20] <DeliriumTremens> god
[18:20] <arcanescu> it doesnt harm to explore possiblites
[18:20] <arcanescu> beer
[18:20] <arcanescu> and then u said god
[18:20] <DeliriumTremens> I see you know how to read.
[18:20] <DeliriumTremens> Gold star!
[18:21] <arcanescu> mutually exclusive
[18:21] <arcanescu> thanks awww
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> Hm. can I mount The Interweb as swap...
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> then I can haz it all!
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[18:33] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I don't think the internet would work as a good swap drive, maybe a good /dev/urandom but not as a swap...
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> heh...
[18:36] <Sonny_Jim> Wasn't it Torvalds who said "Backups? Pah, I just upload it to kernel.org and let the world mirror it for me"
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, actually, I have a 100Mb symetric leased line at a client site, so swap over nfs - to a remote server... might just work as a proof of concept ;-)
[18:37] <Sonny_Jim> I'm currently compiling gnu-radio for the rpi, even with distcc I think it's going to take a while
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[18:37] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, depends on the latency of the connection but I'd wanna find out how it goes
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[18:39] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, Hm. a ping's about 8ms rtt.. bit much for 300 miles, however it's via London (devon - london - sheffield & back)
[18:39] <s5fs> yeah, it's the latency that kills you, not the bandwidth
[18:39] <Sonny_Jim> that's a lot of purple piping
[18:40] <Sonny_Jim> I think I've seen most of that going in as well
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> yea, there's loads of fibre everywhere - you just need to pay for it.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> something I struggle to get over to my clients. ah well.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> they're not my clients anymore :)
[18:44] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, is it worth downloading the RiscOS image if I don't have a monitor, keyboard and mouse?
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[18:45] <Sonny_Jim> What I mean is that there's no chance I can set it up to work via vnc
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[19:02] <Mihaylov> Hello
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[19:04] <Mihaylov> Why raspberry pi freezes with usb wireless adapters?
[19:04] <Sonny_Jim> Do you mean reboots?
[19:04] <Sonny_Jim> When you plug them in?
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[19:05] <Mihaylov> No, the system freezes, it doesn't respond to any inputs
[19:05] <Mihaylov> So I have to unplug the power cable
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[19:11] <Mihaylov> And I have a powered usb hub so I don't understand why it freezes that bad, also the SD is class 10, could it be because of the journaling?
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[19:16] <tehtrb> Mihaylov there's been trouble with powered hubs in the past
[19:16] <tehtrb> i'm pretty sure it's the usb devices
[19:17] <Mihaylov> tehtrb i've tried different chipsets: ralink 3070, realtek 8187L atheros... all the same
[19:17] <tehtrb> hm
[19:17] <tehtrb> idk
[19:17] <Mihaylov> Only happens when I try to "up" the interface for scanning
[19:18] <Mihaylov> :(
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[19:19] <d3nd3> you tried different chipsets
[19:19] <d3nd3> chipset is for what?
[19:20] <d3nd3> chipset of which device ?
[19:20] <Mihaylov> d3nd3 only drivers and linux support only that, but both ra3070 and rlt8187L are well supported
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[19:22] <d3nd3> Mihaylov: is your usb wireless listed in the known to work wiki page?
[19:22] <arcanescu> can someone shed light on whats causing this : http://pastebin.com/54Qxs1Bz
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[19:26] <arcanescu> or how should i go about debugging whats causing this?
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[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd check if there's a similar bug report already. If not, I'd report it.
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[19:27] <Sonny_Jim> Well, what is the Pi doing when it happens?
[19:27] <arcanescu> ShiftPlusOne: do you think its a bug?
[19:28] <arcanescu> Sonny_Jim: reading a v4l2src and running gstreamer
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> well, it's not healthy behaviour.
[19:28] <Sonny_Jim> File it as a gstreamer bug
[19:28] <arcanescu> it doesnt happen immediately it happens like after 20 minutes or so
[19:28] <arcanescu> Im also pushing data on a FTDI f232h chip
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[19:29] <Mihaylov> d3nd3 where I can find that list?
[19:29] <arcanescu> /dev/ttyUSB0 for that matter of fact
[19:29] <Mihaylov> d3nd3 but I believe that my adapters are supported
[19:29] <d3nd3> i meant this:http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
[19:29] <arcanescu> i read the ftdi drivers caused a problem... but not sure.... Sonny_Jim: its not a gst bug since it works fine on other platforms
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[19:30] <LowValueTarget> anyone know if the raspbian wheezy image has ssh setup by default
[19:31] <LowValueTarget> trying to prevent hooking up to a display and peripherals
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[19:32] <rikkib> ssh is enabled in Raspbian
[19:32] <LowValueTarget> ty
[19:32] <rikkib> You need dhcp
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[19:33] <d3nd3> arcanescu: are you using virtual machine ?
[19:33] <Mihaylov> d3nd3 yes its on "working USB wifi adapters" - AWUS036NHA
[19:35] <arcanescu> d3nd3: no im not
[19:35] <arcanescu> talking to a pi using uart
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[19:37] <d3nd3> arcanescu: i can't help you sry, its over my head
[19:37] <arcanescu> :) thanks though... not sure whats causing this
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[19:40] <rikkib> I hooked a PL2303 usb to serial module the other day... It seemed to work fine.
[19:41] <arcanescu> this is a ftdi f232h im talking to works fine like for 20 mins
[19:41] <arcanescu> then i get this crash im not sure why.... it might not be the ftdi ...
[19:41] <arcanescu> feels like a out of memory
[19:42] <rikkib> top
[19:42] <arcanescu> funny thing is it crashes faster if i run the application like nice -n 10 app
[19:44] <Mihaylov> What means drivers from aircrack-ng?
[19:45] <jelly1> lr2n to hack
[19:45] <arcanescu> Mihaylov: maybe you can rephrase the question
[19:46] <Mihaylov> arcanescu: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters my device is listed as a tested/working one
[19:46] <Mihaylov> "WUS036NHA: Tested on Raspbian (drivers from aircrack-ng)"
[19:46] <arcanescu> rikkib: top seems to be fine
[19:46] <jelly1> Mihaylov: so what has aircrack has todo with drivers..
[19:46] <jelly1> Mihaylov: aircrack is a tool
[19:46] <arcanescu> Mihaylov: get the drivers from their site then ?
[19:46] <jelly1> no
[19:46] <Mihaylov> I know
[19:47] <jelly1> no
[19:47] <Mihaylov> thats why I am asking
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[19:47] <jelly1> in linux you don't make install crap
[19:47] <arcanescu> it allows you to sniff/analyze traffic
[19:47] <arcanescu> over wifi
[19:47] <jelly1> Mihaylov: 9/10 drivers are in the kernel
[19:47] <jelly1> so did you put your wifi adapter in the pi and checked if it worked?
[19:47] <Mihaylov> My rpi freezes with my wifi adapter
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[19:48] <jelly1> awesome
[19:48] <jelly1> Mihaylov: kernel panic?
[19:48] <Mihaylov> it works until the point when I try to "up" the interface for scaning or conect to a SSID
[19:48] <jelly1> hmmm
[19:48] <jelly1> did you check the output in dmesg?
[19:49] <rikkib> Are you powering you wifi from a powered hub?
[19:49] <Mihaylov> rikkib yes
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[19:57] <dreamreal> Mihaylov: which adapter?
[19:57] <Mihaylov> dreamreal
[19:57] <Mihaylov> WUS036NHA
[19:58] <dreamreal> hmm
[19:58] <Mihaylov> AWUS036NHA* I have others too
[19:58] <Mihaylov> Like one "Not Branded" with ralink 3070 chipset
[19:58] <Mihaylov> and the other AWUS036H
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[20:00] <RobinJ> For some reason my Pi seems to be terribly slow, while it's oly using 4% CPU and 32MB RAM
[20:02] <jelly1> I/O
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[20:03] <RobinJ> ? listing files isn't that much I/O
[20:03] <RobinJ> neither is an INSERT query into a database
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[20:05] <rikkib> How many usb devices have you got plugged in
[20:06] <RobinJ> None.
[20:06] <rikkib> OS Raspbian? Updateed?
[20:06] <RobinJ> The only cables plugged in are ethernet and power
[20:06] <RobinJ> Arch Linux
[20:07] * rikkib has no experience with Arch
[20:07] <RobinJ> Linux is Linux in the end
[20:07] <jelly1> different kernel/ distro is differnet
[20:07] <zleap> yeah
[20:08] <RobinJ> Linux RaspberryRobin 3.2.27-13-ARCH+ #1 PREEMPT Sun Oct 21 02:16:17 UTC 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:08] <jelly1> + config
[20:08] <zleap> rikkib, yeah i think its updated to allow for 512 mb ram and splitting of ram and gpu ram
[20:08] <RobinJ> zleap: it reprot 400somethingMB of RAM, so i guess so
[20:08] <RobinJ> *reports
[20:09] <RobinJ> only 32MB used though
[20:09] <zleap> i am sure you can configure it, however i don't see why you would want more than 32mb of ram for video, esp out of 512mb, thats a pretty biggish chunk
[20:10] <RobinJ> ? no i mean it's only using 32MB at this moment
[20:10] <RobinJ> i don't need much video memory; i don't have a GUI running
[20:10] <zleap> well that seems to work out as 6.25% which seems rather low percentage
[20:11] <d3nd3> Mihaylov: Alfa AWUS036H RTL8187L
[20:11] <RobinJ> .... zleap which is a good thing, and makes it even more strange that it's working so slow
[20:11] <zleap> yeah
[20:11] <Mihaylov> d3nd3 Yes
[20:12] <zleap> what else is running that could be causing problems
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[20:12] <RobinJ> investigating the I/O thing though; i think linux had some kind of patch that just writes everything to a buffer in memory and writes the buffer to the storage every minute or so, to preserve sd card lifespan
[20:13] <d3nd3> Mihaylov: it might be worth installing aircrack, i'm not sure what they mean exactly with "drivers from aircrack-ng"
[20:13] <RobinJ> d3nd3: some drivers features are required for aircrack
[20:14] <Mihaylov> d3nd3 if I remember well, aircrack is not on repos, but the last time I got it from sid i think
[20:14] <d3nd3> RobinJ: on elinux.org it has quote "AWUS036H (500mW version): Tested on Raspbian (drivers from aircrack-ng). " ...
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[20:14] <RobinJ> so install those
[20:14] <RobinJ> ..
[20:15] <RobinJ> for god's sake it seems to have completely frozen or something....
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[20:17] <RobinJ> load average is 5.57%, so really i dunno what could possibly be causing it to be so slow
[20:17] <jelly1> RobinJ: dmesg
[20:17] <jelly1> your logs
[20:17] <Matt> 5.57%?
[20:17] <RobinJ> yes
[20:17] <Matt> that doesn't look like a load ave :)
[20:17] <jelly1> load isnt in percentag
[20:17] <jelly1> *percentage
[20:17] <Matt> given load average isn't a percentage
[20:17] <RobinJ> ... that's what i thought, but what else can it be? 500%?
[20:17] <RobinJ> Matt: last dmesg: [ 32.125736] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[20:18] <RobinJ> *jelly1
[20:18] <jelly1> RobinJ: boring
[20:18] <RobinJ> [root@RaspberryRobin ~]# uptime
[20:18] <RobinJ> 19:18:16 up 3 days, 21:16, 2 users, load average: 6.61, 6.98, 5.63
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[20:18] <zleap> RobinJ, nice
[20:18] <Matt> load average is the average number of processes that are waiting to be scheduled onto the CPU within a 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute period
[20:18] <d3nd3> Mihaylov: mb its to do with using mac80211 instead of legacy , http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_drivers
[20:19] <Matt> so on a single core system, such as the pi, a load average of 1.00 means that the system is fully loaded
[20:19] <RobinJ> Matt: so it doesn't have anything to do with cpu usage? 0.o
[20:19] <RobinJ> lol
[20:19] <rikkib> top - 08:19:08 up 2 days, 15:56, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[20:19] <RobinJ> and 5 means...?
[20:19] <Matt> and >1.00 means that there are processes waiting for CPU at any given time
[20:19] <RobinJ> that's not good
[20:20] <RobinJ> but how can the cpu usage be 4% then
[20:20] <Matt> IO comes into play as well
[20:20] <RobinJ> on my own system it's alwxays 1.x
[20:20] <rikkib> top - 08:19:59 up 19 days, 12:05, 11 users, load average: 0.15, 0.09, 0.08
[20:20] <RobinJ> and that's a 6-core machine
[20:20] <Matt> processes that are waiting on IO also count
[20:20] <RobinJ> i've never known a load average under 1.0 actually
[20:20] <rikkib> The last one is my I386 machine
[20:20] <Matt> on a 6-core box, 100% load on all CPUs would be a load avg of 6.00
[20:21] <RobinJ> hehe
[20:21] <Matt> load avg is an intresting metric :)
[20:21] <Matt> 7:21PM up 13 days, 22:52, 8 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
[20:21] <Matt> this box is obviously fairly quite :)
[20:21] <Matt> unlike my laptop
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[20:21] <Matt> 14:21:38 up 4 days, 1:51, 16 users, load average: 0.40, 0.51, 0.48
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[20:23] <jelly1> 19:23:41 up 55 min, 1 user, load average: 0.77, 0.32, 0.15
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[20:24] <RobinJ> avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle
[20:24] <RobinJ> 0.42 0.00 0.98 14.75 0.00 83.85
[20:25] <rikkib> One thing I have noted. When Raspbian first starts up there is a high load average. This settles down after a while but....
[20:25] <RobinJ> is this any use?
[20:25] <RobinJ> it's been running for 3 days
[20:25] <rikkib> The kernel is in the unstable phase
[20:25] <RobinJ> lol
[20:25] <Mihaylov> d3nd3 ill try that, thanks for your time
[20:25] <Matt> it's high during boot because you're starting up a whole bunch of daemons
[20:26] <Matt> and there's a lot of IO going on
[20:26] <RobinJ> only 3 daemons here =D
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[20:27] <Matt> if you're intrested, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_%28computing%29
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[20:28] <rikkib> Matt, Several noted a jump in load average a while ago and I believe there were issues with the kernel related to reporting load/bogomips
[20:30] <Matt> yeah, that was all tied into the dynamic cpu frequency scaling stuff
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[20:38] <straterra> Have any of you tried compiling zeromq on Debian on a Pi?
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[20:44] <Gunni> Polarina, o/
[20:44] <Polarina> Gunni, hi.
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[20:48] <Polarina> Will Raspberry Pi's GPU support OpenGL ES 3?
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[21:05] <mikarch> Has anyone tried the development branch of git-annex on rpi? I have installed the old version from the standard repo, and it works fine, but I would love to use the new features...
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[21:11] <sd666> hi
[21:12] <sd666> i have a problem with hello_video app - it just hangs at end of file created by x264...
[21:12] <sd666> anybody with omx debug skills/
[21:12] <sd666> ?
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[21:26] <mumbles> anyone used a 4gb card and this ? http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
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[21:28] <DeliriumTremens> mumbles: i would reccomend using Raspbmc or similar
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[21:28] <mumbles> DeliriumTremens: dident like it when i tried it the last time
[21:28] <DeliriumTremens> ??\_(???)_/??
[21:28] <DeliriumTremens> it will be more stable
[21:29] <tripgod> Then try xbian
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[21:30] <mumbles> tryng now
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[21:35] <arcanescu> ??\_(???)_/??
[21:35] <arcanescu> nice one
[21:35] <arcanescu> it doesnt work ??\_(???)_/??
[21:35] <DeliriumTremens> yes it does
[21:35] <cyclick> mumbles, you should try openelec
[21:36] <arcanescu> i meant a reply to it doesnt work : ??\_(???)_/??
[21:36] <cyclick> it was my favorite of the 3 mentionned
[21:37] <arcanescu> http://openelec.tv/ -> Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL umhmm
[21:38] <cyclick> installing openelec using windows: http://www.squirrelhosting.co.uk/hosting-blog/hosting-blog-info.php?id=9
[21:40] <arcanescu> yes i got to that post i just didnt get to the main site i wanted to knwo what it was
[21:41] <cyclick> arcanescu, its working for me (openelec.tv)
[21:41] <arcanescu> are you sure ur not looking at a cachd page... im getting this : Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL
[21:42] <cyclick> yes I loaded it in a different browser...
[21:42] <arcanescu> weird
[21:42] <arcanescu> well i was looking at a cached page its backup now meh
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[21:42] <arcanescu> ??\_(???)_/?? the web
[21:42] <DeliriumTremens> overuse!
[21:43] <cyclick> it should not be used at all
[21:44] <mumbles> my internet is really rubbish tonight
[21:46] <cyclick> must be anonymous
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[21:47] <cyclick> Anonymous: Operation V (Nov. 5th 2012)
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[21:48] <zleap> cyclick, what is that then ?
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[21:48] <cyclick> I dont know exactly, just a guess
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[21:48] <cyclick> apparently they are hacking alot today
[21:48] <zleap> ok
[21:48] <zleap> oh
[21:49] <zleap> bit sites i guess
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[21:49] <arcanescu> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=OpenELEC_SABnzbd-Suite_addon this is one cool addon
[21:49] <LowValueTarget> well that's not encouraging... flashed an sd with raspbian, powered with micro usb ... no ack light
[21:49] <LowValueTarget> trying a diff sd card
[21:49] <zleap> ok
[21:50] <zleap> check that it isn't write protected or locked
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[21:50] <LowValueTarget> not locked zleap
[21:50] <zleap> ok
[21:50] <LowValueTarget> patriot EP Series class10 64GB
[21:50] <LowValueTarget> trying an eye-fi 4GB... all i have as a spare at the moment
[21:50] <zleap> so a high end card then
[21:51] <LowValueTarget> yup
[21:51] <LowValueTarget> i have a sandisk 16GB class 10 that will be here wednesday
[21:51] <zleap> 16 gb should be fine, 64 gb sounds rather overkill for a pi
[21:52] <LowValueTarget> formatting the card using os x - ms-dos ... then dd'ing the image over
[21:52] <zleap> unless you're doing a really big project
[21:52] <LowValueTarget> yeah... had it laying around zleap
[21:52] <zleap> k
[21:52] <cyclick> 64gb is fine but I heard some have problems with class 10?
[21:52] <zleap> hmm
[21:53] <zleap> do you need to format it first, dd should just overwrite what is on there, then from te config you can make the fs take up the whole disk
[21:53] <LowValueTarget> could try that... just erasing everything on the sd and making it free space
[21:54] <Cheery> https://github.com/cheery/node-udev - this is useful if you need to detect input devices you plug into your system.
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[21:55] <LowValueTarget> arg... nothing but power light when trying the other sd card
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[21:55] <ralphsaunders> Cheery: are their similar libs for Python?
[21:55] <Cheery> ralphsaunders: yep
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[21:56] <ralphsaunders> awesome. I was thinking I was going to have to write my own :D
[21:56] <LowValueTarget> zleap: trying dd after formatting to free space only
[21:57] <vikorasmussen> Hi, is it normal that I get "cannot execute binary file" for commands such as passwd, nano or arp`?
[21:57] <jelly1> vikorasmussen: no
[21:58] <vikorasmussen> jelly1: any idea why then? It should be a relatively standard install of wheezy downloaded two or three days ago :\
[21:58] <jelly1> sounds like a corrupted fs
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[21:59] <zleap> ok just copied my lubutu iso to /var/www
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[21:59] <Cheery> pretty cool stuff
[21:59] <Cheery> it compiles a while, but works darn great on raspberry pi after that :)
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[22:01] <vikorasmussen> jelly1: It could be, I am just testing with an old card I had laying around. any way to run a quick check of the fs?
[22:02] <LowValueTarget> zleap: i should have led indicating sd read/write yes?
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[22:03] <zleap> not sure
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[22:03] <zleap> i don't on mine,
[22:04] <zleap> but some of my flash drives have leds, usb card readers usually have leds, my desktop has a slot but no led, kinda rely on the OS to tell me if its has activity
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[22:09] <LowValueTarget> im talking more specifically about the leds near the power led on the pi itself
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[22:13] <Prinler> hey guys :)
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[22:15] <Wiisel> LowValueTarget: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?f=31&t=12530
[22:15] <Wiisel> according to that you should
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[22:16] <LowValueTarget> thanks Wiisel
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[22:17] <Wiisel> ACT i guess thats for activity
[22:17] <LowValueTarget> what i figured
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[22:28] <LowValueTarget> zleap: issue resolved
[22:28] <LowValueTarget> the way i formatted it
[22:28] <LowValueTarget> had to leave it as free space
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[22:41] <zleap> cool
[22:41] <zleap> i am trying to configure stellarium for my location
[22:42] <Prinler> I just got my raspberry pi case...
[22:42] <Prinler> Man what a nice case!
[22:42] * Polarina just bought a Pi herself, just hours ago.
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[22:44] <scummos> whe
[22:44] <scummos> e
[22:45] * Polarina has jet to plug it in.
[22:45] <Polarina> It just smells good right now. :P
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[22:49] <scummos> it... smells good? okay
[22:49] <Polarina> scummos, you know, fresh electronics..
[22:50] <scummos> yeah, sure :)
[22:50] <Prinler> lol
[22:50] <nyrb> initially i thought you said it smelled like raspberry
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[22:52] <IT_Sean> Everyone knows that raspberrypis smell of plums
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[22:53] <d3nd3> does anyone have a 3d printer can print me a case pl0x
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[22:54] <IT_Sean> Anyone with a 3d printer an print me a 3d printer!?
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[22:55] <Polarina> IT_Sean, 3D printing doesn't work that way.
[22:55] <AlcariTheMad> Polarina: reprap
[22:55] <IT_Sean> :/
[22:55] <AlcariTheMad> Polarina: it does to about 65%
[22:56] <Cheery> does author of node-openvg listen?
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[22:58] <Gosy> does anyone know why i can't edit some config files in the rbp?
[22:59] <Gosy> almost like its having it's own life
[22:59] <Gosy> im pushing the UP arrow, and it types an "A" ..
[23:00] <Gosy> anyone?
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[23:03] <Gosy> i really need help with this.. i think i've messed up my /etc/network/interface file..
[23:04] <AlcariTheMad> Gosy: ^[[A is what you'd see if the up keypress wasn't being handled by your shell or editor
[23:04] <Gosy> but why..
[23:04] <Gosy> i mean, i did
[23:04] <Gosy> sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[23:04] <Gosy> and i can't edit..
[23:04] <Gosy> i just makes random stuff when i type
[23:04] <Gosy> and i cant make spaces and such ..
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[23:06] <tripgod> Gosy, learn the keyboard layout for vi
[23:06] <tripgod> It's not for noobs
[23:06] <Gosy> where do i do that?
[23:06] <Gosy> well, how am i suppose to edit stuff in there :) ?
[23:06] <scummos> you press i
[23:07] <scummos> then you edit stuff
[23:07] <tripgod> Google vi keyboard. Press i to get into insert mode
[23:07] <rymate1234> I prefer nano
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[23:07] <scummos> then you press ESC to go back into command mode
[23:07] <Gosy> Great.. i shut the pi off, and now it says "FAIL" on loading network interfaces
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[23:07] <scummos> maybe you screwed up the network config file with vi?
[23:07] <Gosy> scummos : exactly.
[23:07] <Gosy> be right back
[23:07] <rymate1234> Gosy, use sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[23:07] <scummos> either way, it doesn't sound very catastrophic
[23:07] <scummos> :D
[23:07] <scummos> noo don't use nano
[23:07] <scummos> it's for bad people *grin*
[23:08] <rymate1234> I use vim
[23:08] <scummos> then you're a good person rymate1234
[23:08] <scummos> :D
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[23:09] <tripgod> Gosy this is when you use your backup
[23:09] <plugwash> and wants to know why people maintain such an attatchment to an aincient editor whose design made sense at the time but really doesn't nowadays
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[23:10] <Torne> does anyone know if the UART is initialised by the bootloader?
[23:10] <tripgod> Tradition. Why change a keyboard layout when you're already productive on one
[23:10] <Gosy> great
[23:11] <Torne> there are config parameters for init_uart_baud and init_uart_clock, but it's not obvious which UART it's talking about
[23:11] <Gosy> i just failed again
[23:11] <rymate1234> plugwash, what text editor do you use then
[23:11] <Gosy> which is the best to edit with then?
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[23:11] <rymate1234> nano for noobs
[23:11] <Gosy> nano
[23:11] <Gosy> vim
[23:11] <Gosy> or vi
[23:11] <Gosy> ?
[23:11] <tripgod> vim is the best
[23:11] <Gosy> i dont get it
[23:11] <plugwash> a mixture, nano is ok for editing small config files but the lack of current line information rules it out as a coding editor IMO
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[23:11] <tripgod> Vi is old
[23:12] <plugwash> mostly I use mcedit where available (and if i'm root it very quickly WILL be available)
[23:12] <Gosy> vim : command not found
[23:12] <rymate1234> nano then
[23:12] <plugwash> I also use gedit quite a bit
[23:12] <scummos> install vim then
[23:12] <tripgod> Most distros will sym link vi to vim
[23:12] <scummos> also kate > gedit :)
[23:12] <Gosy> how do i edit in nano?
[23:13] <scummos> Gosy: just type
[23:13] <scummos> but it's nano... it's bad :(
[23:13] <Gosy> ...?
[23:13] <tripgod> Doesnt it tell you on the bottom?
[23:13] <scummos> Gosy: spend five minutes to learn vim, seriously :)
[23:13] <Gosy> i dont have vim mate
[23:13] <tos9> s/minutes/lifetimes
[23:13] <scummos> Gosy: get it
[23:13] <Gosy> and i cant inatall anything
[23:13] <plugwash> scummos, kate is nice but I find the load times very long (probablly partly because I don't use any other kde apps most of the time so it has to load everything from scratch)
[23:13] <scummos> oh okay
[23:13] <Gosy> coz my network/interface ia messed up
[23:14] <scummos> plugwash: really? for me it starts in under a second
[23:14] <tripgod> I dont think the pi is noob-friendly
[23:14] <scummos> plugwash: I do load kded and stuff on boot, tough... so yeah, maybe it's that
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[23:14] <tripgod> Kde daemon?
[23:14] <artag> it really is worth learning the basics of vi, you'll often find yourself in a unix with nothing else
[23:14] <scummos> yes
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[23:15] <tripgod> Well thats why it loads in a second
[23:16] <scummos> tripgod: yeah, but since I use lots of apps like telepathy-kde, kate, kdevelop, konversation, konsole, kmix, klipper ... from KDE, it doesn't really matter for me
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[23:16] <s5fs> learning vim is a long process, if you wish to learn more than just basic navigation and switching modes
[23:16] <Gosy> nano worked like a charm
[23:16] <plugwash> Gosy, nano is fine for tasks like editing the interfaces file
[23:16] <plugwash> whatever the elitists say
[23:16] <scummos> s5fs: yes, but if you learned it once, you can always just expand your knowledge
[23:16] <scummos> also it has very nice syntax highlighting!
[23:16] <Gosy> just to find a normal page of the interface now
[23:16] <s5fs> scummos: agreed, i'm working on building up my vimfoo these days
[23:17] <scummos> oh also, kate has a very nice vi mode! :D
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[23:17] <tripgod> Heh. Vimfoo
[23:17] <artag> you only need insert, escape, write, quit to get yourself out of a hole. everything else is just icing
[23:17] <scummos> yep
[23:17] <s5fs> what if you enter the basement? (ie, :vi)
[23:17] <s5fs> or get into record mode? haha! those always tend to hork newbies
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[23:18] <Gosy> Thanks
[23:18] <Gosy> guys
[23:18] <scummos> s5fs: pressing ESC and :q a sufficient number of times usually helps :D
[23:18] <Gosy> nano did the magic for me
[23:18] <scummos> Gosy: cool, now you can install vim!
[23:18] <s5fs> but yes, basics is good enough, but basics aren't enough to justify learning vim (imho), esp if the person is new to nix in general (lots to learn)
[23:18] <Gosy> scummos
[23:18] <scummos> well vim has very nice highlighting for *everyting*, that alone is reason enough to make it preferrable for me over nano
[23:18] <Gosy> sudo apt-get install vim ?
[23:18] <s5fs> for the pi tho, i dunno
[23:18] <scummos> Gosy: yep
[23:19] <scummos> Gosy: also apt-cache search vim, and if there's some extra highlighting package or so, get that too
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[23:19] <s5fs> scummos: right, but now you've encroached into 'programmer-land', where vim really excels
[23:19] <scummos> Gosy: also put ":syntax on" in your ~/.vimrc
[23:19] <Gosy> scummos: i was actually trying to set a static ip adress while following a youtube guide.. but failed lol
[23:19] <scummos> s5fs: don't you find syntax highlighting very useful when editing, like, init scripts or htaccess files or whatever? I do
[23:19] <rymate1234> ^
[23:20] <s5fs> yeah, but it's not vital
[23:20] <scummos> and vim actually has highlighting for most of them which is close to syntax checking
[23:20] <scummos> yeah, not vital, sure... but then again, you could also use cat :)
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[23:20] <s5fs> or ed
[23:20] <scummos> or ed
[23:20] <s5fs> haha! o/
[23:21] <scummos> altough I have to confess that I never managed to edit anything with ed
[23:21] <s5fs> same
[23:21] <s5fs> i wrote my own line editor once as a programming exercise, it was called 'edd'
[23:21] <scummos> :D
[23:22] <s5fs> okay, so vim is a super rad tool. i recommend it if someone is willing to make the investment, no question.
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[23:22] <s5fs> i'm lurking the vim channel right now, so thats gotta say something ;-)
[23:22] <Gosy> vim was even more confusing than nano..
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[23:22] <s5fs> Gosy: vim's power is not in simple line editing, and i agree it's totally bizarro the firest few times you use it
[23:23] <Gosy> whata hell is this
[23:23] <Gosy> "shell returned 127"
[23:23] <Gosy> "press ENTER or any command to continue"
[23:23] <Gosy> what is i dont want to continue?
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[23:23] <s5fs> escape?
[23:24] <Gosy> doesn't work
[23:24] <s5fs> Gosy: hit enter.
[23:24] <Gosy> doesn't work
[23:24] <s5fs> i mean, it's a $35 computer, what could go wrong??
[23:24] <s5fs> are you in vim or..?
[23:24] <Gosy> ye
[23:24] <Gosy> vim atm
[23:24] <s5fs> okay
[23:24] <Gosy> can't get out
[23:24] <Gosy> from a file atm
[23:24] <s5fs> hit escape twice
[23:24] <bparker> type :q
[23:24] <s5fs> then type :q!
[23:24] <s5fs> and enter
[23:24] <Gosy> getting error when typing
[23:24] <Gosy> :q!
[23:24] <Gosy> ah now
[23:25] <Gosy> after the 2 escapes
[23:25] <s5fs> welcome to vim, it gets better
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[23:25] <s5fs> same goes with unixy systems, they too get better (just gotta memorize the first 200 commands, then it's intuitive)
[23:25] <Gosy> bye bye vim
[23:25] <xci> vim is a great tool, but might be rough if someone is not giving you the needed instructions for the five first minutes
[23:25] <Gosy> welcome nano
[23:25] <xci> and so the world lost another great hacker
[23:26] <xci> ^^ - just kidding
[23:26] <s5fs> haha!
[23:26] <scummos> Gosy: take just 5 minutes to learn vim, ok? I'll tell you how to use it
[23:26] <scummos> Gosy: if you don't like it afterwards you can still go to nano
[23:26] <s5fs> man, i keep losing friends to OSX and textmate / sublime text 2
[23:26] <Gosy> i tried vim
[23:26] <Gosy> but it was more confusing mate
[23:26] <s5fs> i feel like the last linux guy in certain communities, sucks
[23:26] <Gosy> do i still have to hit "i" to edit?
[23:26] <scummos> Gosy: everything is confusing if you don't have any idea how to use it... especially vim
[23:27] <scummos> Gosy: yes. there's two main modes: the command mode, and the edit mode
[23:27] <s5fs> Gosy: you don't just 'use' vim, you learn it over a series of frustrated mistakes ;-)
[23:27] <scummos> Gosy: it starts in command mode; and you can go to the insert mode by pressing i
[23:27] <Gosy> s5fs: i can clearly see that lol
[23:27] <tripgod> Gosy you really need to google "vi cheat sheet"
[23:27] <scummos> Gosy: then you can edit (and in vim, also move the cursor and stuff) and by ESC, you get back to command mode
[23:27] <s5fs> Gosy: so, i'd still recommend that you use whatever the easiest editor is for you TODAY, and then pick up vim later
[23:27] <scummos> Gosy: in command mode, you can for example do ":w" to save your file, or ":q" to quit.
[23:27] <xci> s5fs: I know how you feel... I used to absolutely love vim, then I started doing more iPhone development and basically did everything with xcode
[23:27] <Gosy> im really new to linux shell
[23:28] <scummos> Gosy: and that's basically it; there's a huge lot of things it can do, but you can pick them up over time.
[23:28] <artag> ZZ in command mode is also uesful, does save & quite
[23:28] <xci> now I just miss the times I was writing just some stupid C++ algorithms stuff all the nights
[23:28] <scummos> Gosy: also put ":syntax on" in your ~/.vimrc to get nice highlighting (you'll like it!)
[23:28] <artag> carefull, he might get to like it
[23:29] <s5fs> xci: i've spent the last 3yrs in visual studio and eclipse, very refreshing to get back to vim for my programming
[23:29] <scummos> s5fs: kate with vi mode! :))
[23:29] <tripgod> Or throw linux out the window because he doesnt want to rtfm
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[23:30] <s5fs> scummos: i'm not big into kde nor do i wanna pick up yet another ide-looking tool. i can still run eclipse or netbeans if i wanna live there ;-)
[23:31] <xci> artag: :D - I have a funny story about that! ZZ saves and quits, while zz centers the line under the cursor. Once I entered a bunch commands in a row, but little did I know, caps lock was on. If you have used vim a lot, you know that a lot of commands with caps lock on tend to do stupid stuff, and you have to press a lot of 'u'. However, at the time I had the habit to press 'zz' at the end of each bunch of commands to have the last modified line in
[23:31] <s5fs> vim is just plain funky and i very much like that
[23:31] <s5fs> xci: yup, that's why i consider ZZ a bad habit
[23:31] <scummos> s5fs: kate is very much non-ide-like, there's kdevelop which really is an ide
[23:31] <scummos> (i happen to be involved with kdevelop :D)
[23:31] <scummos> (which is why I feel like I have to advertise it a bit!)
[23:31] <xci> s5fs: yeah
[23:32] <xci> s5fs: I steer clear of z nowadays unless I want to quit with one hand
[23:32] <artag> heh
[23:32] <artag> i'm tempted to disable caps lock, it's never useful
[23:33] <s5fs> scummos: haha, okay, that's cool then.
[23:33] <s5fs> remap capslock to something useful. i'm thinking about it for my leader key
[23:34] <tripgod> I'm a ZZ man all the way
[23:34] <xci> yeah, I think ZZ is fine, zz is super dangerous
[23:35] <s5fs> yeah and zzzz is like twice as bad as zz (the second set of zz deletes your facebook profile, but also empties your bank acct)
[23:35] <xci> :D
[23:36] <artag> that's ok, i don't have facebook and my bank account is already empty
[23:37] <Tachyon`> zzzzzz changes the cosmological constant. this is bad. don't do that.
[23:37] <rymate1234> zz?
[23:37] <rymate1234> ZZ?
[23:37] <s5fs> rymate1234: careful!
[23:37] <scummos> Tachyon`: hahaha
[23:38] <rymate1234> zzzzzzzzzzzz
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[23:39] <artag> that unleashes the Old Ones
[23:39] <thirdwhl> hi all, looking for a suitable battery pack for my Raspberry Pi and am looking at mobile emergency chargers as a possibility... there's one I see on eBay that provides 12Ah at 5.3V, would the every 300mV cause my RPi any woe, or should this be fine?
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[23:42] <Tachyon`> the pi would be fine
[23:42] <Tachyon`> your USB devices may not be, it depends
[23:42] <thirdwhl> thanks
[23:42] <Tachyon`> although I wouldn't expect .3v to do much harm, risk it if you will
[23:43] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, it appears that my wireless dongle craps itself whenever the USB bus is busy: [ 5771.822957] zd1211rw 1-1.2:1.0: TX-stall detected, reseting device...
[23:43] <rikkib> Risc OS seems useable... Interesting.
[23:43] <thirdwhl> does it pass that straight through the USB ports?
[23:43] <artag> apparently the usb voltage spec is 5.0 +- 0.25, so you'd only be 50mV over. and some will be lost in the pi itself
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[23:44] <artag> there's just fuses in the way. only one fuse in the case of current production models
[23:45] <thirdwhl> mine is the model B with 256mb ram
[23:45] <artag> yeah, there are at least 2 versions of that
[23:45] <artag> later ones have no usb fuses
[23:46] <artag> but the inlet fuse is quite likely to lose you 50mV
[23:47] <artag> 225mV on mine, with ethernet active
[23:47] <artag> it'll be more with usb stuff plugged in
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[23:54] <Gosy> anyone knows if there is a client for updating ip-adress-client from no-ip.org?
[23:54] <Sonny_Jim> ddclient?
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[23:55] <Gosy> does that include no-ip.org?
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[23:58] <Gosy> Sonny_Jim: care to explain more :)?
[23:58] <Gosy> I'm a total noob so.. :p
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[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> By the power of Google:
[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> http://machine-cycle.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/update-no-ipcom-and-dyndnscom-dynamic.html
[23:59] <Sonny_Jim> Or just type sudo apt-get install ddclient, it comes with a menu driven setup thing

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