#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <linuxstb> Midasx_: Well, others are getting higher speeds than you, so something is likely wrong with your setup. Are you also using Raspbian?
[0:01] <Midasx_> linuxstb: No I'm using Arch which may be my problem
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[0:02] <axion> i have experienced a correlation between network speed and power supply
[0:02] <Midasx_> I'll get my battery out of the car...
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[0:03] <kieppie> howdy
[0:03] <Midasx_> Anyone go the Rapsberry Jam at Bletchley Park?
[0:03] <atouk> media will be an issue, too. sd card, usb drive, thumbdrive will show different rates
[0:04] <kieppie> does RasPi/Raspbian support LXC yet? I saw a post that it throws kernel panics
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[0:04] <hadifarnoud> where is config.txt for OpenELEC? I want to overclock it
[0:04] <linuxstb> atouk: Midasx_'s test is to /dev/null
[0:04] <axion> atouk: indeed, but we were writing to /dev/null
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[0:04] <atouk> missed that part
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[0:04] <sraue> hadifarnoud, /flash/config.txt
[0:05] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: In the FAT32 partition (which gets mounted inside OE as /flash. If it's not there, then you can create one.
[0:05] <atouk> well, do you have a class 4 dev/null or a class 10 dev/null ;)
[0:05] <hadifarnoud> cheers linuxstb
[0:05] <sraue> hadifarnoud, before editing you must remount r/w: "mount -o remount,rw /flash"
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[0:05] <Midasx_> atouk: Class 10 45MB/s
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[0:06] <Midasx_> ??13 on amazon for a 16GB card, why woudln't you
[0:06] <hadifarnoud> is it a good idea to increase gpu_mem to 192?
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[0:08] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: I assume you have a 512MB Pi?
[0:08] <Sonny_Jim> hadifarnoud: Depends you are using the rest of the memory for anything else
[0:08] <hadifarnoud> no linuxstb
[0:08] <hadifarnoud> it's XBMC only
[0:08] <Sonny_Jim> But remember, more RAM make things quicker.....
[0:08] <hadifarnoud> I wont use it for anything else
[0:08] * Sonny_Jim facepalms
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[0:08] <Sonny_Jim> So how much memory does XBMC use?
[0:09] <hadifarnoud> no idea Sonny_Jim. that's why I'm asking
[0:09] <Sonny_Jim> top will tell you
[0:10] <Sonny_Jim> But giving a GPU more RAM won't make it quicker
[0:10] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: "Mem: 110468K used, 11080K free, 0K shrd, 6544K buff, 36472K cached"
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[0:10] <linuxstb> (xbmc currently playing a video on OE)
[0:10] <Sonny_Jim> You can have bigger/deeper resolutions, sure, but unless you are using the GPU to do 3D graphics, then the amount of RAM won't change anything
[0:10] <hadifarnoud> thanks
[0:11] <hadifarnoud> wont change it then
[0:11] <Sonny_Jim> RAM = storage space, nothing more
[0:11] * Sonny_Jim grumbles about XP and it's appaling pagefile handling
[0:11] <hadifarnoud> :D
[0:12] <hadifarnoud> any1 tried tvheadend? I can't get it to work on OE
[0:13] <hadifarnoud> is OE based on debian?
[0:13] <shiftplusone> no, it's its own thing
[0:14] <hadifarnoud> it doesn't have build essentials either?
[0:14] <shiftplusone> (assuming you're talking about openelec) ?
[0:14] <Gumby> I've used tvheadend
[0:14] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: I haven't tried tvheadend on OE, but it works well in general, and works on my Pi (in Raspbian)
[0:14] <Gumby> on debian
[0:14] <Gumby> was relatively simple once you figure it all out
[0:14] <Gumby> UI is a bit buggy
[0:15] <hadifarnoud> I think the firmware works just fine but can't find any channel
[0:15] <hadifarnoud> I tried OE and Raspbmc
[0:15] <linuxstb> Have you configured tvheadend itself?
[0:15] <linuxstb> (via its web UI)
[0:16] <linuxstb> tvheadend is the server, and the client is the tvh pvr addon for xbmc.
[0:16] <hadifarnoud> yes linuxstb
[0:16] <linuxstb> So did you find the channels in the web UI? (under the Channels tab)
[0:16] <hadifarnoud> it has to find channels though. that's the part im stuck linuxstb
[0:16] <hadifarnoud> no linuxstb
[0:16] <linuxstb> What about multiplexes and/or services?
[0:17] <hadifarnoud> added network by location but nothing
[0:17] <hadifarnoud> Muxes awaiting initial scan:0
[0:17] <linuxstb> What kind of DVB card are you using?
[0:17] <hadifarnoud> Afatech AF9013
[0:17] <linuxstb> Is that on the hardware compatibility list?
[0:17] <hadifarnoud> yes
[0:18] <hadifarnoud> lsusb > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 15a4:9016 Afatech Technologies, Inc. AF9015 DVB-T USB2.0 stick
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[0:18] <linuxstb> What is your location? Are you seeing any multiplexes listed in the Multiplexes tab?
[0:19] <hadifarnoud> Guildford UK
[0:19] <hadifarnoud> yes 6 of them linuxstb
[0:19] <linuxstb> BTW, this would probably have been better in tvheadend's channel (#hts)
[0:19] <linuxstb> Is that Crystal Palace?
[0:19] <hadifarnoud> I try there too
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[0:19] <hadifarnoud> Crystal Palace?
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[0:20] <linuxstb> The transmitter you receive.
[0:21] <hadifarnoud> not sure. it has no case :D I'm quite confident about the model
[0:21] <japro> so in the absence of X running i use linux/input.h directly, any leads how to translate the keycodes to keysyms etc that actually match the users keyboard?
[0:22] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: Above where it says "Muxes awaiting initial scan: 0", what does it say? (for Services: and Muxes: )
[0:23] <hadifarnoud> Services: 0 muxes: 6 linuxstb
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[0:23] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: OK, and in the Multiplexes tab, what is it saying? Do you see a "Quality" column on the right side?
[0:23] <hadifarnoud> yes linuxstb
[0:24] <linuxstb> Do you see anything in the NetworkID or MuxID columns?
[0:24] <hadifarnoud> all 100% ( not checked the monitor quality though)
[0:24] <hadifarnoud> no network name
[0:24] <hadifarnoud> nor Mux ID
[0:24] <linuxstb> OK, then it looks like it's not succeeding in getting any data from your card.
[0:25] <linuxstb> Those two columns should both contain a number.
[0:25] <linuxstb> I'm not sure where things get logged on OE, but you could see if anything is in /var/log/syslog
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[0:26] <hadifarnoud> OE has dmesg
[0:26] <hadifarnoud> doesn't give me much
[0:27] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: Or another possibility is that the tuning file is out of date.
[0:27] <hadifarnoud> for my location?
[0:28] <linuxstb> Yes. Or possibly your aerial is pointing at a different transmitter, not the Guildford one.
[0:29] <hadifarnoud> hmm. might be. but I literally live in Guildford and the network by location has Guildford too
[0:30] <hadifarnoud> anyway I can make sure my card is works fine?
[0:30] <hadifarnoud> any way*
[0:30] <linuxstb> Yes, the network by location is just a list of the transmitters.
[0:32] <linuxstb> The current requencies for the Guildford transmitter appear to be 650000, 674000, 626000, 690000, 722000 and 698000 ?
[0:33] <hadifarnoud> not exactly.
[0:33] <hadifarnoud> is it wrong?
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[0:35] <linuxstb> Yes, looks like they are out of date then.
[0:35] <linuxstb> See http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=SU975486
[0:35] <hadifarnoud> this is what I got now 697,833 kHz 658,167 kHz 634,167 kHz 714,167 kHz 682,167 kHz 738,000 kHz
[0:35] <hadifarnoud> thanks, I add them manually
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[0:36] <linuxstb> Transmission mode is 8K, bandwidth 8MHz (I think...)
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[0:37] <hadifarnoud> is there anywhere I can find all the info I need to add them manually?
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[0:38] <linuxstb> Yes, that site I linked you to.
[0:38] <linuxstb> Plus what I just said? You can leave most of the settings as "auto". But include QAM, transmission mode, and bandwidth
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[0:39] <hadifarnoud> saw them. cool.
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[0:42] <anli__> Seems like raspbmc was a really huge dissapointment
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[0:43] <anli__> -s
[0:43] <anli__> Not a smooth animation anywhere in the interface
[0:44] <cyclick> anli__, I think the rpi is still missing 2d acceleration (but will be available in the future)
[0:44] <hadifarnoud> linuxstb: I can see the QAM, bandwidth but where is the freq?
[0:44] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: If you mean on the website I linked you to, then hidden under the list of channels
[0:45] <hadifarnoud> saw it. that C43 thing. thanks
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[0:46] <hadifarnoud> can I force it to rescan afterwards? I used to delete them and add muxes again to rescan
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[0:47] <anli__> So what you say is that I dont have a media computer yet? :)
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[0:48] <anli__> @ cyclick
[0:48] <anli__> My xbox outperforms this
[0:48] <anli__> And i run the oldest kind of xbox
[0:48] <anli__> Well, it has problems with some videos that the rpi actually runs better
[0:48] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: It should do it automatically. Don't think you can speed it up, although I would delete those broken muxes, so tvh doesn't waste time trying to tune to them.
[0:48] <Polarina> cyclick, what about OpenVG?
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[0:51] <hadifarnoud> linuxstb: for some I don't have the QAM in the list. i.e. QAM 256. does it mean my card does not support it or is it tvh?
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[0:53] <linuxstb> QAM256 is DVB-T2
[0:53] <linuxstb> So yes, your card doesn't support it.
[0:53] <linuxstb> (the HD channels)
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[0:54] <hadifarnoud> ok. done with adding them. now lets see if it works. btw, does the 'monitor signal' work properly on tvh 3.1.6?
[0:55] <linuxstb> I know there were problems, I've no idea if it was/is fixed.
[0:56] <linuxstb> Is it still saying muxes awaiting initial scan?
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[1:05] <hadifarnoud> no linuxstb. it's done scanning I guess but still no luck :( same as before
[1:06] <rigid> does raspbian contain all packages from official debian?
[1:07] <rigid> i wonder if there's babl, gstreamer, vlc and libxml2
[1:07] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: You could try a different transmitter - e.g. Crystal Palace - http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=TQ339712 (it's very powerful, so you may be recieving it in Guildford).
[1:08] <linuxstb> rigid: Everything I've looked for has been there. Don't expect gstreamer or vlc to be able to play back video though.
[1:08] <rigid> linuxstb: yep, i don't need that... but why? isn't there hdmi & X support?
[1:08] <hadifarnoud> linuxstb: I will. I googled for updated list. nothing.
[1:08] <rigid> or framebuffer?
[1:09] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: Are you using your rooftop aerial?
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[1:09] <hadifarnoud> no. it has a small aerial attached to it
[1:10] <geordie> rigid: apt-cache indicates that all four are available in raspbian
[1:11] <linuxstb> Hmm, OK. It could simply be you have no reception where you are - can you use your rooftop aerial to test? Also, is your aerial vertically or horizontally aligned? That will tell you if you're pointing to the local Guildford transmitter (Vertical), or Crystal Palace (Horizontal).
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[1:11] <linuxstb> rigid: Video apps are too slow unless they have been adapted to use the Pi's GPU.
[1:11] <linuxstb> Whcih afaik, gstreamer and vlc haven't.
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[1:13] <hadifarnoud> linuxstb: it's vertical right now. not sure why tvh doesnt have up to date list. or maybe I can find an updated one somewhere? problem with OE is, it doesnt have apt-get or any build tools (make etc.) so I'm stuck with this version
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[1:18] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: If I was you, I would install raspbian and experiment in there.
[1:18] <rigid> linuxstb: ah
[1:19] <linuxstb> rigid: As far as video players go, it's omxplayer or xbmc (as far as I know).
[1:21] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: The latest versions of tvheadend take the latest available channel lists from linuxtv.org (the home of DVB on Linux) at the time you compile it. I'm not sure about the OE version.
[1:21] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: But that shouldn't be a big problem - you only have 5 frequencies to enter (you can't get the DVB-T2 multiplex).
[1:22] <hadifarnoud> sounds good. I actually have Raspbmc on another SD. maybe I remove tvh and compile it again
[1:22] <rigid> linuxstb: i supposed there was working support for the GPU to run X and stuff
[1:22] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: I see you're in #hts now, let's continue there.
[1:22] <hadifarnoud> ok
[1:23] <linuxstb> rigid: Yes, but not for video playback - that requires using the GPU for video decoding.
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[1:26] <rigid> ah, what is vdpau stuff on nvidia
[1:30] <linuxstb> I've no idea how vdpau works. On the Pi, the app just sends the entire video stream to the GPU, and the GPU decodes and displays it.
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[1:33] <mythos> iirc the same, only that you get a texture with the video
[1:33] <Armand> rigid, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU
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[1:40] <FBeans> success
[1:40] <FBeans> in one evening
[1:41] <FBeans> I have installed new OS on Pi
[1:41] <FBeans> and emulator
[1:41] <FBeans> and now have controller working
[1:41] <FBeans> fucking easy.
[1:41] <FBeans> and im using sshfs to play roms from my server
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[1:41] <FBeans> so thats the space issue solved
[1:41] <FBeans> I now have all the nes and snes games to play
[1:41] <FBeans> brb completing the world
[1:43] <Tachyon`> you ccan use samba/cifs
[1:43] <Tachyon`> sshfs seems an odd way to do it
[1:43] <Tachyon`> unless your server is non-local
[1:44] <Dagger2> or doesn't have a samba/cifs server installed
[1:46] <dirty_d> server is windows?
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[1:46] <dirty_d> use nfs if not
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[1:47] <Dagger2> and don't bother worrying about security, because nfs doesn't have any
[1:47] <Dagger2> (to a first-order approximation)
[1:50] <SpeedEvil> just put your secret files in a boring lookin directory
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[2:03] <dirty_d> Dagger2, ?
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[2:07] <Dagger2> file access permissions are enforced on the client, which is... somewhat insecure
[2:07] <dirty_d> on nfsv4?
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[2:07] <Dagger2> and the only way to control who can connect is a list of IPs, which are all allowed to connect with no credentials required
[2:08] <Dagger2> yeah, with nfsv4 too
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[2:10] * FBeans got told
[2:10] <FBeans> so
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[2:11] <FBeans> yea, using sshfs because its quick and easy
[2:11] <FBeans> and I was just seeing if it would work
[2:11] <FBeans> which it does, very well
[2:11] <FBeans> connects from Pi- to french server very easily
[2:11] <FBeans> and wll
[2:11] <FBeans> *well
[2:11] <FBeans> next up we'll be getting nes/snes/arcade games to work
[2:11] <FBeans> getting 2 controllers involved
[2:12] <Sonny_Jim> You might be disappointed
[2:12] <FBeans> making sure configuration of those controllers is easy and logical
[2:12] <Sonny_Jim> MAME is slow, SNES has no sound
[2:12] <FBeans> (which bit?)
[2:12] <FBeans> thats OK, small potatoes
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[2:12] <FBeans> step by step
[2:12] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, like really slow
[2:12] <FBeans> Might get using my git, and see if I cant fix some myself
[2:13] <FBeans> then I want to create an interface, so that I can choose, configure and run games using only the joy pad
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[2:13] <FBeans> and then mount it all somewhere like a coffee table or something
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[2:13] <FBeans> and then waste the rest of my life playing old games
[2:13] <Sonny_Jim> You mean like this guy:
[2:13] <FBeans> NES works pretty well!
[2:13] <FBeans> EXACTLY
[2:14] <FBeans> he was my insperation
[2:14] <FBeans> (except with joypads)
[2:14] <Sonny_Jim> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/04/turning-the-raspberry-pi-into-a-cocktail-mame-coffee-table/
[2:14] <FBeans> mine is also much cheaper
[2:14] <Sonny_Jim> tbh, the Pi isn't a very good gaming system
[2:14] <FBeans> he put money effort and skill in
[2:14] <FBeans> of course
[2:14] <FBeans> but thats not the point
[2:15] <FBeans> it /can/ do it
[2:15] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
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[2:15] <FBeans> I can mount the pi so it can easily be removed
[2:15] <Sonny_Jim> Personally, I just slammed an old P3 PC in my arcade cab
[2:15] <Sonny_Jim> Works a treat with AdvanceMAME
[2:15] <FBeans> and there we have it, a plug and play NES
[2:15] <FBeans> stick another SD card in - http server ...
[2:15] <FBeans> etc etc
[2:16] <artag> isn't a NES a plug and play NES ?
[2:16] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[2:16] <FBeans> yes
[2:16] <FBeans> point is, the Pi is so much more
[2:16] <FBeans> and cheap
[2:17] <skurk> I remember hating having to write device drivers on the NES using only the D-pad and 2 buttons
[2:17] <s5fs> FBeans: i love the pi as an arcade emulator idea
[2:17] <skurk> just to get Zelda to boot
[2:18] <FBeans> http://superpiadventures.com/
[2:18] <FBeans> takes an hour or so
[2:18] <s5fs> write a mobile app so you can use your smartphone as a bluetooth controller and you're in business
[2:18] <FBeans> well atm Its all controlled by ssh
[2:18] <FBeans> I have an ssh app
[2:18] <Tachyon`> that server doesn't appear to be responding
[2:18] <FBeans> ... worksforme
[2:19] <skurk> works for me too
[2:19] <Tachyon`> I can access only a google cached copy
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[2:21] <kjs> Anyone used linode before ?
[2:22] <s5fs> kjs: yes
[2:22] <s5fs> i'm connecting from my linode to this channel, that's how i do the irc dance
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[2:25] <kjs> s5fs: rate them ?
[2:25] <s5fs> host has been up for 457 days now
[2:26] <s5fs> it's a bit spendy at $20/mo for a do-nothing server, but i like it
[2:26] <s5fs> their admin panel was compromised some time ago and a bitcoin exchange lost a ton of money
[2:27] <s5fs> i'd buy their service again, it's truly been trouble free
[2:27] <kjs> who's bitcoin ?
[2:28] <s5fs> digital currency
[2:29] <s5fs> here's a link: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/03/bitcoins-worth-228000-stolen-from-customers-of-hacked-webhost/
[2:31] <kjs> Palatinus said he kept his $15,000 worth of BTC that was stolen in what's known as a "hot wallet" that was stored unencrypted on Linode's servers so it would be available for automatic payments.
[2:32] <Sonny_Jim> Hah, never knew that Jeff Minter wrote the music visualation app from the Xbox360
[2:33] <kjs> s5fs: I agree $20 is quite a bit for 512Mb of ram a month...
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[2:34] <s5fs> kjs: right, and i've thought about jumping ship for cheaper options, but there is usually a trade-off. i never feel resource constrained and uptime is stellar. i think i couldn't reach my host twice since i've had it, and i've been a customer for about 2yrs
[2:35] <s5fs> anyways, gtg. best of luck finding a vps host!
[2:35] <kjs> cheers :)
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[2:40] * plugwash has been using bytemark as a vm host for years and they seem pretty good, only real annoyance i've noticed is that if a vm is left quiet for too long it can take a few seconds to spring back into life
[2:40] <plugwash> dunno if that is typical of vm hosting soloutions
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[2:41] <dirty_d> vote yes to global warming
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[2:44] <SpeedEvil> I'm pondering a silly solution
[2:44] <SpeedEvil> the piccolo
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[2:47] <DeliriumTremens> my mom played the piccolo in high school
[2:47] <DeliriumTremens> true story
[2:47] <DeliriumTremens> (??????_???)
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[2:49] <SpeedEvil> err
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> silly autocorrect
[2:49] <SpeedEvil> the Pi Colo
[2:49] <dirty_d> is global warming really that bad?
[2:50] <dirty_d> if it makes the next ice age less severe, isnt it a good thing?
[2:50] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, iirc there was somewhere offering to colo Pis for free
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> exactly
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[2:51] <SpeedEvil> and it gives me an excuse to get a 512m one
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[2:52] <rikkib> Bought another keyboard today... MS Wireless 800 $26NZD/$21USD/$13GBP
[2:56] <rikkib> 50mA dongle... That is a lot more than my Logitech MK320 @ 35mA
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[3:10] <rikkib> MS Wireless 800 does not seem to work on the RPi
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[3:46] <Prinler> WHY is it that a cheesy arse vizio dvd player can play netflix and yet we cant use it on linux? what do ya think is on the vizio? prolly linux of some sorts
[3:47] <Prinler> rikkib my MS wireless combo doesnt work on windows either
[3:49] <rikkib> The shop said it was for Win 8
[3:49] <rikkib> At 26 bucks... Oh well. I must work on something.
[3:49] <rikkib> It
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[4:30] <DooMMasteR> so america has voted for Romney o.O
[4:36] <geordie> still a lot of votes to count
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[7:29] <Xark> Its official (pretty much) and Romney has already conceded -> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/obama-defeats-romney-to-win-second-term-fox-news-projects/
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[7:36] <bircoe> I hoped he'd win...
[7:37] <Xark> Yeah...I hadn't checked recently and DoomMMasteR's comment alarmed me. :)
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi dudes.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> So LGPL or MIT... Ugh )-:
[10:45] <Laban> You're trying to decide on a license to use?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> somone on the pi forums is trying to persuade me to move from lgpl to mit ..
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> for wiringPi
[10:46] <Laban> Well, what are the ups and downs?
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> frankly, I've no idea.
[10:47] <Laban> Dual license it? =)
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> I think the MIT license will allow people to use it in commercial products and not release their changes to the code (if any) while the LGPL requires them to release code changes.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> but lifes too short to read the pages and pages of stuff written about each license.
[10:48] <Laban> http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/10/open-source-licenses-overview-gpl-lgpl-apache-bsd/ Might help?
[10:48] <Laban> Just a few bullets about each license.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> thanks
[10:49] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: do you want paople to publish their modifications on your code? independent to commercial or not
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[10:50] <Laban> What's the persons arguments for you to change?
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> I think that I want modifications to be published.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> So that rules out the mit/bsd, etc. licenses.
[10:51] <Weaselweb> see, it's that easy ;-)
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> their argument appears to be that by being LGPL I have the right to sue them.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> therefore it's uptake in commercial software will be minimal.
[10:52] <linuxstb> That seems bogus. IANAL, but wouldn't you have the right to sue anyway, if they don't comply with any license you use?
[10:52] <Weaselweb> which is nonsense if they conform to LGPL
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> but I think that anyone has the right to sue anyone if they use their software and break the licensing terms.
[10:53] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Precisely.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> exactly.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> so.....
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm leaning towards keeping wiringPi LGPL.
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[10:53] <jelly1> where do you guys get sensors from?
[10:53] <jelly1> dealextreme?
[10:53] * jelly1 is looking for some basic temperature, humidty sensors
[10:54] <Jck_true> jelly1: Where you located?
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> jelly1, I guess it depends on where you are - in the UK where I am there are plenty of online shops without resorting to DX/ or ebay.
[10:54] <jelly1> Jck_true: netherlands
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/humidity-and-temperature-sensor-rht03-p-1034.html
[10:54] <jelly1> so across the channel ;)
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> is a basic temp/humidity sensor.
[10:54] <jelly1> oh fun
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> see if you can google for local online shops selling that model - then you'll find who's out there...
[10:55] <jelly1> :)
[10:55] <jelly1> i know some shops
[10:55] <jelly1> dont think they are super cheap
[10:55] <jelly1> are expension boards worth it btw
[10:56] <Jck_true> Cheap rarely means good...
[10:56] <Wiisel> ebay half the price and twice the wait if not more
[10:56] <jelly1> Jck_true: its just for fun
[10:56] <jelly1> Wiisel: same for DE ;)
[10:56] <jelly1> or DX
[10:56] <Wiisel> DX is hit and miss for me
[10:57] <Jck_true> On that note - I'm gonna advertise a bit for my dx.com <-> RaspberryPi list :D
[10:57] <Wiisel> but then i made an order with next day delivery for a jacket on Monday.........
[10:57] <Jck_true> http://furyfire.info/raspberrypi/accessories.pdf
[10:57] <jelly1> Wiisel: woah
[10:57] <Wiisel> oh looks like it just arrived xD
[10:58] <jelly1> gold plated hdmi....
[10:58] <jelly1> >_>
[10:58] <jelly1> oh that LED module looks awesome
[10:58] <Jck_true> jelly1: LOL never been in the same factory as an gram of gold... But it looks nice to put it in the description :)
[10:59] <jelly1> bluetooth hmm
[10:59] <jelly1> i have no idea what todo with it atm ;)
[10:59] <jelly1> i thought about monitoring temperature /humidty
[10:59] <Jck_true> jelly1: I managed to get an ad-hoc network running on bluetooth
[10:59] <jelly1> ah
[10:59] <Jck_true> Just horribly slow
[10:59] <jelly1> lol
[11:00] <jelly1> the best idea would be measuring kwH / gas
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> Hm. why has the latest dist-upgrade brought in pulseaudio. why do I want pulseaudio on my Pi.
[11:01] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: to steam sound over the network
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> but I don't do that. never have. Grr. why do they foist stuff on me that I didn't ask for and will never use.
[11:01] <Jck_true> I fucked up my bluetooth serial module this weekend :/
[11:02] <Jck_true> Pads are too small for me to solder
[11:02] <jelly1> hmm
[11:02] <Jck_true> And now I only got a single module left
[11:03] <Jck_true> Arduino Nano + 4??" touchscreen + Bluetooth
[11:03] <jelly1> :)
[11:03] <Jck_true> Cool wireless remote
[11:03] <bircoe> what's the touch screen? got a link?
[11:04] <bircoe> looking for a nice screen to use with my Adafruit Ultimate GPS module...
[11:04] <jelly1> :)
[11:04] <Jck_true> bircoe: It's not a display
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[11:04] <Jck_true> just the resistive touch part
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[11:05] <bircoe> oh... well that doesn't help at all :P
[11:06] <bircoe> I wish someone would hurry up and get a port of CM10 out for the Galaxy S3 4G
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[11:08] <bircoe> hmmmm this could do nicely as a screen for GPS!
[11:08] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SainSmart-Mega2560-3-2-LCD-TFT-Touch-Screen-SD-Reader-4-Arduino-UNO-R3-Robot-/261094891095?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item3cca77de57&_uhb=1
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[11:08] <bircoe> bit on the thick side tho... should be able to fix that my removing the headers
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[11:13] <Jck_true> bircoe: Nifty module.. What are your plans with it?
[11:14] <bircoe> display speed from one of these http://adafruit.com/products/746
[11:16] <bircoe> something else that could do the job and it's cheap!
[11:16] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-8-TFT-LCD-module-TF-Card-socket-break-out-for-arduino-/270866804157?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f10eb6dbd&_uhb=1#ht_1833wt_1168
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[12:21] <StMichel> gordonDrogon: you happened to describe the exact reason why I use arch and not raspbian
[12:27] <Jck_true> Fuck
[12:27] <Jck_true> NOO
[12:27] <Jck_true> Dammit that was supposed to be a search
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> StMichel, hi - whats the reason - gpl type stuff?
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> StMichel, or the package dependancies...
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[12:44] <Sv> hi
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[13:17] <StMichel> gordonDrogon: no, just the thing that I like to install things myself and know what is going on there
[13:18] <StMichel> for the "it just works" things and normal usage I have my mac laptop, Pi is there for me to learn software and physical computing
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> sure - hard to know what's really installed these days - or why...
[13:25] <n1ko> anyone had luck with connecting to adhoc network (iphone specifically) with raspbian and r8712u driver?
[13:26] <n1ko> i'm seeing authentication time out's and can't find any info on what might be wrong
[13:26] <n1ko> configured with wpasupplicant
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[13:43] <Armand> What's the worry temp on the core?
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[13:48] <StMichel> 85 degrees centigrade. if I recall correct
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[13:49] <Armand> Coolies.. I'm getting a peak of 44c. :)
[13:49] <StMichel> I believe you can find it in the blog post that introduced turbo-mode
[13:50] <Armand> I made sure that was off.. I don't need to push the machine at all.
[13:50] <jelly1> else put a heat sink on it :P
[13:50] <Armand> I was tempted, that's why I ask.
[13:51] <Armand> I'm thinking about the potential lifetime of the unit.
[13:51] <Cembo> jelly1: A heatsink is pretty much a waste of time
[13:51] <Cembo> and money
[13:51] <jelly1> Cembo: lol prolly
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[13:51] <Cembo> \o/
[13:51] <Armand> ^ as I figured..
[13:51] <jelly1> i didnt care
[13:52] <jelly1> Cembo: i saw some cupper one in some feed
[13:52] <Armand> As much as it would look awesome.. I won't see it. :P
[13:53] <Cembo> jelly1: Even if they were made out of cryptonite, it's pointless when there is little transfer of heat between CPU/GPU and the surface
[13:53] <jelly1> https://tindie.com/ellisgl/raspberry-pi-copper-heat-sink-kit/
[13:53] <jelly1> :P
[13:53] <jelly1> Cembo: ^
[13:54] <jelly1> amd .. http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/AMD-dismisses-numerous-open-source-developers-1745131.html
[13:55] <rigid> Cembo: you use thermal paste to improve the heat transfer...
[13:55] <Cembo> rigid: Between the CPU and memory?
[13:57] <Cembo> It had been stated earlier that there is poor transfer of heat between those two, you'd only get 1-2 degree gain if you were to stick a heatsink on top of the memory
[13:57] <jelly1> LOL
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[13:58] <Armand> Huummmm
[13:58] <rigid> Cembo: surface of the memory? you mean thermal conductivity of the dye?
[13:59] <Cembo> rigid: It's a stacked design
[13:59] <Armand> Now, as the core is quite small... what we can see underneath the RAM is a PCB layer?
[13:59] <Armand> The edges of it...
[13:59] <Cembo> rigid: And the core is not on top
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[14:00] <n1ko> i just put a heatsink on the chips, can't say anything about the others but there was literally no difference on the cpu temp
[14:00] <n1ko> same idle temp, same load temp
[14:00] <rigid> i can't see why this would speak against a heatsink and how you only gain 1-2 degrees
[14:00] <Cembo> It'd be like lowering the temperatures in your room by placing an airco in the room next to it
[14:00] <rigid> at least with active cooling, you should get quite decent results
[14:01] <rigid> Cembo: you mean the IC cases are thermally isolated?
[14:02] <shiftplusone> rigid, it's package on package
[14:02] <shiftplusone> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_on_package
[14:02] <rigid> ah
[14:02] <rigid> shiftplusone: and there's an airgap between packages?
[14:02] <shiftplusone> don't know about how much of an airgap, but there is very little thermal conductivity
[14:03] <rigid> if the top package doesn't act as a thermal isolator, the heat can travel right through it i guess
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[14:05] <rigid> well, i didn't try it so i'm just guessing, but if the two packages are thermally isolated, i'd see that as engineering fail
[14:05] <rigid> did anyone take off the top package to see if thermal paste was used?
[14:05] <shiftplusone> not really, the arm processors are well designed for that
[14:06] <shiftplusone> you have much more powerful ones in your phone without a heatsink, so all of this heatsink talk is just silly, you may as well paint it red and add speed holes.
[14:06] <rigid> i guess it's not trivial to solder them back together... even with a pro reflow setup
[14:06] <shiftplusone> that's right
[14:06] <shiftplusone> check this topic
[14:06] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2084
[14:06] <rigid> shiftplusone: my phone is getting quite hot. the reason there isn't a lot of passive cooling in there is clearly the lack of space
[14:07] <rigid> afaik cooling always increases lifetime even if not necessary
[14:07] <shiftplusone> I am sure there are many other devices with shorted mean lifespans than the cpu
[14:08] <rigid> shiftplusone: it's nonsense that you can't hand solder BGA
[14:08] <shiftplusone> rigid, when did I say you can't?
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[14:08] <rigid> shiftplusone: the post you pasted states that :)
[14:08] <rigid> s/the post/someone in that thread/
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[14:09] <shiftplusone> I pasted the post because it has examples a photo of the chip
[14:09] <shiftplusone> and the ram that goes on top http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/JamesHughes_photos/RaspberryPi/poprambga.jpg
[14:09] <rigid> well, i guess broadcom did their best in terms of cooling, so disassembling the bcm to "improve" it probably won't work... hmm
[14:09] <shiftplusone> I was agreeing with you that it's not trivial.
[14:09] <rigid> shiftplusone: ah ok
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[14:10] <rigid> hm.. they put the ram on top of the core?
[14:10] <shiftplusone> yup
[14:10] <rigid> wouldn't it be smarter the other way round? i guess the core gets hotter than the ram
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[14:11] <shiftplusone> the core is smaller
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[14:11] <mgottschlag> rigid: the core needs connections to all peripherals
[14:11] <rigid> one should try deadbug style :-P
[14:11] <shiftplusone> heh
[14:11] <rigid> mgottschlag: true
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[14:17] <Gosy`web> hey guys
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[15:38] <RobinJ> Can anyone help me out The I/O of my raspie is terribly slow.... inserting a value into a database takes 20 seconds
[15:39] <RobinJ> and my question mark button seems to be suffering from overuse :3
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[15:40] <IT_Sean> What I/O are you using?
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Ethernet?
[15:40] <RobinJ> storage
[15:41] <IT_Sean> Oooohkay... how is said storage attached? USB?
[15:41] <RobinJ> ... the SD card slot
[15:41] <IT_Sean> Oh.
[15:41] * IT_Sean thinks
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[15:42] <IT_Sean> Have you tried a different storage medium?
[15:42] <mgottschlag> and how fast is the SD card?
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[15:44] <RobinJ> mgottschlag: no idea; it's a class 4.
[15:45] <RobinJ> IT_Sean: the raspie doesn't have anything else...
[15:45] <RobinJ> only an sd card slot
[15:45] <mgottschlag> well, there would be USB
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Yes it does.
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Try USB.
[15:46] <mgottschlag> here, my class 4 sd card is slow, but not "terribly slow"
[15:46] <RobinJ> yes but the internal stuff should just work. i want to find a solution, not a workaround
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[15:46] <mgottschlag> my first bet would be that it is just a bad sd card
[15:46] <mgottschlag> with very low write speeds
[15:47] <IT_Sean> Not all SD cards are created equal. Try a different SD card, or try to put your DB on a USB device instead.
[15:47] <RobinJ> writing the image to it was not as terribly slow, and once it STARTS writing it's fast enough. it just takes 20 seconds sometimes for it to actually start writing
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[15:54] <IT_Sean> Sounds like the SD card.
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[15:54] <RobinJ> sigh
[15:54] <RobinJ> does anyone know how to do a benchmark on the sd card?
[15:55] <RobinJ> without powering of the device that is. i know how to do it from my computer, but not on the raspie
[15:55] <_av500_> time dd if=/dev/sdX/large_file of=/dev/null
[15:55] <Armand> 'hdparm -Tt /dev/s**' will give you read test.
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[15:55] <Weaselweb> _av500_: don't use dd for that, use time cat /dev/sdX/large_fil > /dev/null
[15:56] <RobinJ> i always assumed it'd be /dev/sda1.... but it isn't apparently
[15:56] <Weaselweb> which will be faster in most cases
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[15:56] <_av500_> Weaselweb: how much different would the results be?
[15:57] <Weaselweb> _av500_: depends on too much factors to give an actual value. but cat reads as much as possible (up to a buffer limit) and puts it to /dev/null, while dd reads only up to a given blocksize
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[15:57] <RobinJ> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[15:57] <RobinJ> /dev/mmcblk0p1 * 2048 194559 96256 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[15:57] <RobinJ> /dev/mmcblk0p2 194560 3862527 1833984 83 Linux
[15:57] <RobinJ> which partition do i need to run this on?
[15:58] <RobinJ> and.... why does it use a fat32 partition on a linux system? 0.o
[15:58] <Weaselweb> _av500_: oh, do a echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches before testing, otherwise you test the cache
[15:59] <_av500_> Weaselweb: bs=1M added to dd should fix that
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[16:00] <straterra> Could someone compile/run this on their Pi? I'm getting WEIRD results that only show on my Pi and I want to check my sanity.. http://pastebin.com/F0SeJxCf
[16:00] <Weaselweb> _av500_: no, i just tests with qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.1.tar.gz. dd: 3.709s dd+1Mbs: 3.960s cat: 3.589s
[16:01] <Weaselweb> but my current system is slow as hell, so the difference is not much. on a faster system the difference of cat would be greater
[16:01] <_av500_> Weaselweb: and what speed is that?
[16:02] <Weaselweb> _av500_: qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.1.tar.gz has 239606696 Bytes
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[16:03] * _av500_ googles for a calculator... :)
[16:03] <scummos> just use google as a calculator
[16:03] <scummos> ;P
[16:03] <Weaselweb> a rule of thumb: unless you need seek or other special things dd has, there are better alternatives
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[16:05] <scummos> straterra: on x86-x64, it seems to work ok
[16:05] <RobinJ> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=22322
[16:05] <scummos> straterra: (my pi is not currently running) ;p
[16:05] <straterra> scummos: Right..but on the Pi it doesn't work
[16:05] <RobinJ> IT_Sean: the benchmark results seem OK to me
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[16:06] <scummos> straterra: what does it do
[16:07] <straterra> It outputs -0.000010
[16:07] <straterra> all of my float -> char* conversions do similar
[16:07] <scummos> lol
[16:08] <scummos> did you check if valgrind says anything useful?
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[16:08] <straterra> I dont think I have valgrind installed heh
[16:08] <jelly1> vallgrind on a Pi is going to take some time :P
[16:08] <scummos> install it :)
[16:08] <scummos> yeah but not for a 4 line program printing a single float to stdout
[16:09] <jelly1> lol no
[16:10] <scummos> still I found that waiting for valgrind is mostly worth it -- it's ages faster than you could be by searching for the problem by hand ;P
[16:10] <jelly1> kcachegrind is nice
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[16:10] <vikorasmussen> tos9 ] [ Couto ] [ iamredux ] [ mozzwald ] [ sambenj ] [ wmat ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [+Tuxuser ] [ crenn ] [ intelminer ] [ Mr_Sheesh ] [ satellit ] [ wry ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [+uNKy ] [ Cru ] [ ivan`` ] [ msch ] [ satellit_e ] [ x29a ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [+Vlad ] [ cul ] [ j0nnymoe ] [ mumbles ] [ scorphus ] [ Xalior ]
[16:11] <scummos> ._.
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [+vlt ] [ Cy-Gor ] [ Jaac ] [ mwschib ] [ Scriven ] [ Xark ]
[16:11] <djazz> ?
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [+w0m ] [ d3nd3 ] [ jbermudes ] [ MystX ] [ scummos ] [ xci ]
[16:11] <msch> vikorasmussen: yes?
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [+wcchandler_ ] [ darkbasic ] [ jbpros ] [ mythos ] [ SebastianFlyte ] [ xranby ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [+wietze ] [ datagutt_ ] [ jelly1 ] [ n1ko ] [ shiftplusone ] [ yaMatt ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ [diecast] ] [ Datalink ] [ jimerickson ] [ Naked ] [ Simon- ] [ yano ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ [SLB] ] [ Davespice ] [ jnd ] [ Natch ] [ sjaak_trekhaak ] [ yoavz ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ ]DMackey[ ] [ decbot ] [ johang ] [ Neal_ ] [ skurk ] [ yofel ]
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[16:11] <jelly1> ugh someone kick him
[16:11] <Mr_Sheesh> it's a harrassbot
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ _av500_ ] [ Delboy_ ] [ jprvita|afk ] [ necreo ] [ smw ] [ Yotson ]
[16:11] <uNKy> one way to make everyone's nick notifier go nuts
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ _Trullo ] [ Demp ] [ Jungle-Boogie ] [ netchip ] [ SolderPI ] [ zabomber ]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ _wilson_ ] [ des2 ] [ ka6sox-away ] [ netman87 ] [ soldicon ] [ zaivaldi ]
[16:11] <[diecast]> uhhhh
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ _yac_ ] [ DexterLB ] [ kcunning ] [ nferenc ] [ Sonny_Jim ] [ zgreg ]
[16:11] <Davespice> ahhh
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 [ a5m0 ] [ Diaoul ] [ KiLaHuRtZ ] [ nid0 ] [ spaola ]
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[16:11] <Cembo> Well, that's an inefficient way to spam
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 -!- Irssi: #raspberrypi: Total of 407 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 57 voices, 347 normal]
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 -!- Channel #raspberrypi created Sat Aug 13 16:04:23 2011
[16:11] <Yotson> ignore goes a long way. ;)
[16:11] <Davespice> what is happening??
[16:11] <yaMatt> looks like more a mistake than anything
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> 14:54 -!- Irssi: Join to #raspberrypi was synced in 7 secs
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> :\
[16:11] <vikorasmussen> right click from my windows machine was appearantly both copy and paste :\
[16:12] <[diecast]> my client doesnt ignore
[16:12] <vikorasmussen> sorry
[16:12] <kcunning> Bad cut and paste :)
[16:12] <scummos> jelly1: yeah, kcachegrind is very nice, so is massif-visualizer
[16:12] <Maqs> it's the irssi-copy-and-paste way of spam :P
[16:12] <yofel> ^^
[16:12] <d3nd3> lol
[16:12] <jelly1> vikorasmussen: start using a client that supports warnings when copy pasting big amounts
[16:12] <jelly1> aka a serious client
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[16:12] <scummos> konversation is nice
[16:12] <vikorasmussen> jelly1: Heh, actually it did warn me after a bunch of lines
[16:13] <scummos> "You are attempting to paste a large portion of text (159 bytes or 8 lines) into the chat. This can cause connection resets or flood kills. Do you really want to continue?"
[16:13] <scummos> yeah
[16:13] <jelly1> vikorasmussen: then its your fault
[16:13] <[diecast]> one might argue that the client works better in the fact it uses sleeps between lines
[16:13] <[diecast]> my client does that as well. i could paste a million lines
[16:13] <jelly1> mine just warns me
[16:13] <vikorasmussen> jelly1: Ofcourse, I managed to stop it from pasting the last 20 lines though
[16:13] <[diecast]> thats annoying =)
[16:13] <jelly1> paste ludrcious amount of spam [y/n]
[16:14] <jelly1> [diecast]: no its commono sense
[16:14] <scummos> the sleeps are the worst possible solution for that problem on the client-side
[16:14] <jelly1> *common
[16:14] <[diecast]> na
[16:14] <scummos> a flood-kill would be far better xD
[16:14] <[diecast]> that would result in freenode interruption
[16:14] <[diecast]> but of course, the user is ultimately responsible
[16:15] <[diecast]> i cant think of a time when i've pasted more than one line
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[16:15] * vikorasmussen was kicked from #raspberrypi by shiftplusone
[16:16] <jelly1> lol a bit late
[16:16] <Armand> Haha
[16:16] <shiftplusone> yeah, a little
[16:16] <scummos> well that was sort of pointless now :D
[16:16] <[diecast]> well, he'll get the message maybe next time will think again
[16:17] <[diecast]> or get a new client =)
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[16:17] <shiftplusone> Nuh, I shouldn't have kicked him
[16:17] <shiftplusone> ah, welcome back
[16:17] <shiftplusone> >.>
[16:17] <scummos> lol
[16:17] <vikorasmussen> Even after saying I was sorry :p
[16:18] <shiftplusone> yeah, I was a bit preoccupied and only read that afterwards =(
[16:18] <Armand> I'd give a temp ban, just for the stupidity of it. :P
[16:19] <jelly1> or just +ignore
[16:19] <jelly1> anyway its done
[16:20] <vikorasmussen> ah, so jelly1 hasn't seen anything I've written to him :)
[16:23] <straterra> scummos: valgrind isn't available on this distro..im 99% sure its an issue with the pi and floating point
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[16:27] <scummos> oh, there isn't valgrind for arm? :(
[16:28] <mgottschlag> looks like it is armv7 only
[16:28] <mgottschlag> although valgrind on arm would be nice
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[16:29] <straterra> Personally, working floating point would be better -_-
[16:29] <mgottschlag> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276897 <- valgrind armv6 patches
[16:30] <mgottschlag> straterra: indeed, but it sounds like you would need to debug the libc to find the root of your problems
[16:30] <mgottschlag> you could try wether the functions from math.h work by printing the float result reinterpreted as a 32bit hex number and check that
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[16:31] <mgottschlag> (to find out how much is broken)
[16:31] <scummos> are you sure that you, like, are compiling and running the correct executable and stuff
[16:31] <scummos> also run it in gdb and disassemble it
[16:31] <straterra> Doing float math is working fine. I'm using it for celcius to farenheit conversions without issue. The only issue I'm finding is with that conversion to char*
[16:32] <scummos> did you try cout
[16:33] <straterra> No
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[16:52] <arcanescu> not being abkle to view a ext4 filesys on a windows machine is a nusance. are there ways around this?
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[16:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> arcanescu http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-read-ext3ext4-linux-partition-from-windows-7.html
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[16:54] <skurk> arcanescu: http://bit.ly/YJIXl2
[16:54] <saturation> arcanescu: did you even try to google it? :)
[16:54] <arcanescu> lmgtfy: my favourite link
[16:54] <skurk> ;)
[16:54] <arcanescu> +saturation: if im honest i didnt
[16:55] <saturation> yeah :)
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[16:55] <saturation> straterra: what do you do with rabbitmq? :)
[16:55] <skurk> lmgtfy is the RTFM of the 21st century
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[16:56] <arcanescu> skurk: absolutely
[16:56] <bede> thats like so 2011
[16:56] <arcanescu> noone reads the manual these days
[16:56] <arcanescu> its all abt lmgtfy
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[16:56] <bede> arcanescu: what makes you think people read the manual before?
[16:57] <skurk> cause manuals come on cds and people don't have readers
[16:57] <arcanescu> at first i had mistaken the f in lmgtfy as a swear word
[16:57] <arcanescu> bede: not really manuals did come in paper form but since they were written by some kids in china
[16:57] <arcanescu> they werent too good
[16:57] <arcanescu> no emphasis is ever paid on proper manuals anyway
[16:57] <bede> to be fair, making good manuals is hard.
[16:58] <skurk> indeed
[16:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> there is a http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ ..... but I better not link it as I dont want to be kicked
[16:58] <straterra> saturation: work queue communication
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[16:59] <Sonny_Jim> RagBal: www.lmgtfy.com is slightly safer for work
[16:59] <Cembo> RaTTuS|BIG: The first two sentences on that site are fundamentilly wrong already
[16:59] <saturation> straterra: yea, byt that are you handling with raspi?
[16:59] <RagBal> Pardon?
[16:59] <saturation> what kind of tasks?
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[17:00] <straterra> Collection and distribution of tasks based on local environment sensors over i2c
[17:00] <saturation> RaTTuS|BIG: see topic, no foul language
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[17:00] <straterra> I fixed the issue.. asprintf is broken
[17:01] <saturation> straterra: sounds neat! so you collect data with i2c sensors and manage those "packets" with raspi, then what? where does it end?
[17:01] <saturation> straterra: erlang?
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[17:02] <straterra> It goes through rabbitmq to other devices and display front ends. One of the frontends controls an alarm, one presents the data over SNMP via net-snmp, one shows the data locally on an LCD screen
[17:02] <straterra> etc
[17:03] <straterra> It's for a 1u datacenter monitoring system
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[17:13] <drachensun> I think this might of interest, its a pre-order for a Linux tablet that dual boots Android, supports XBMC, Plasma-Active and more, http://www.indiegogo.com/pengpod
[17:13] <DeliriumTremens> i just dont see why you would want a tablet for that
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[17:17] <drachensun> there are tv sticks too
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[17:18] <scummos> whee plasma active
[17:19] <Sonny_Jim> Fun with USB DVB-T tuners:
[17:19] <Sonny_Jim> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[17:20] <Sonny_Jim> You can use them as GPS devices, pick up aircraft radio tranmissions, plot aircraft positions in real time, decode pager messages
[17:20] <Sonny_Jim> They are acutally 30MHz - 2200MHz tuners for ??12, which is not bad considering what the pro equipment costs
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[17:39] <cyclick> Sonny_Jim, cool I have one and I didnt think about using it as a GPS receiver...
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[17:56] <anildigital> hi guys..
[17:56] <anildigital> I received my raspberry pi today
[17:56] <anildigital> now how do I run it...
[17:56] <anildigital> I have SD card..
[17:56] <anildigital> a regular USB to USB cable
[17:56] <anildigital> halp
[17:56] <Benighted> hey
[17:56] <Benighted> www.raspberrypi.org
[17:56] <anildigital> Benighted: yep
[17:57] <DeliriumTremens> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=26
[17:57] <DeliriumTremens> specificly the very first sticky: How to start using your Raspberry Pi
[17:57] <Benighted> basically just go to download, and it will guide you
[17:57] <Benighted> very noob friendly
[17:57] <Benighted> documentation is your friend
[17:57] <anildigital> I don't have micro usb power supply
[17:58] <anildigital> what if I connect it to my macbook pro
[17:58] <Benighted> nope
[17:58] <Benighted> need to get one
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[17:59] <Benighted> pretty cheap options out there, just make sure it's 5V (usually phone wall charger is ok)
[17:59] <anildigital> Benighted: there is no socket for microusb on my raspberry pi
[18:00] <Benighted> anildigital it's by the sd cardslot, bottom right if you're looking at it with the raspberry upright
[18:00] <Benighted> sorry bottom left, I'm so tired
[18:00] <Benighted> lol
[18:00] <DeliriumTremens> anildigital: sure there is, it's what your power cable is plugged into -.-
[18:00] <Benighted> warning - coding is addictive
[18:00] <muxe> hey, anybody knows why rpi-update always fails with: "error: unable to resolve reference refs/remotes/origin/master: No such file or directory"
[18:01] <Benighted> muxe last few times I've used it I've got some name resolution issues and timeouts to
[18:01] <Benighted> think it's indicative of demand exceeding supply of bandwidth
[18:02] <anildigital> BenightedI: oh okay
[18:02] <anildigital> Benighted I have one
[18:02] <muxe> im just gonna delete my local repo and check again :)
[18:02] <anildigital> now it's microusb to usb wire I have
[18:02] <anildigital> can I connect it to my macbook pro?
[18:03] <DeliriumTremens> it might not have enough juice, but you can try
[18:03] <axion> depends on your power requirements
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[18:04] <LowValueTarget> anildigital: micro usb for power from my macbook pro works just fine
[18:04] <Vlad> anildigital: you'll likely be fine powering it off your macbook's USB for now
[18:04] <LowValueTarget> for the board and an sd card
[18:04] <anildigital> Can I stream videos using wheezy?
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[18:05] <LowValueTarget> anildigital: if there's a linux app that will do what you want
[18:05] <LowValueTarget> it's debian
[18:05] <LowValueTarget> keep in mind power/cpu/ram requirements
[18:06] <LowValueTarget> you're fine
[18:06] <DeliriumTremens> anildigital: what exactly are you hoping to accomplish?
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[18:07] <Benighted> anildigital - yes you can play games and video in wheezy using over 128 memsplit, but you're best off doing so from command prompt using builtin omxplayer
[18:08] <DeliriumTremens> o.O
[18:08] <DeliriumTremens> xbmc works a charm on my pi
[18:08] <anildigital> DeliriumTremens: stream videos on LED tv
[18:08] <DeliriumTremens> stream videos from where?
[18:08] <Benighted> anildigital: you will be hard pressed to get youtube streaming sufficiently - you may benefit more from 'berryboot' so you can try out some OS's first
[18:08] <anildigital> DeliriumTremensfrom internet
[18:08] <DeliriumTremens> gotcha, carry on
[18:09] <Benighted> xbmc is good, just no web browser
[18:09] <FBeans> install one
[18:09] <Benighted> FBeans: have you tried it?
[18:09] <anildigital> any other good one than wheezy .. I can start downloading now
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[18:11] <Benighted> Anil, download berryboot, it will download and install on the fly
[18:11] <Benighted> Try OpenELEC (probably what you want), Wheezy, Puppy Alpha isn't bad either
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[18:12] <Benighted> After you're comfortable navigating Wheezy may want to try a more challenging distro like Arch or Slackware
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[18:13] <hyde> ...or Mer :)
[18:13] <anildigital> Benighted: why are they recommending wheezy
[18:13] <anildigital> ok
[18:14] <arcanescu> kind of off topic- but is there a way to send an sms in pdu format through the PI ?
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[18:15] <muxe> im doing an rpi-update and its kind of "stuck", htop shows 100% cpu load but the task with the most cpu load is htop with 7% oO
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[18:16] <FreshSpider> Good evening guys !
[18:16] <Benighted> anildigital: Wheezy is the most user friendly out of the box desktop distro
[18:17] <FreshSpider> Evening for is in the netherlands.. (lol)
[18:17] <FreshSpider> I have a question about my raspberry PI version B
[18:17] <Benighted> FreshSpider: thought so
[18:17] <DeliriumTremens> arcanescu: maybe you can get some sort of online service to do it?
[18:18] <FreshSpider> Currently I am streaming a mkv movie 1080p (10,2GB) from my local webserver.
[18:18] <FreshSpider> I have a stutter like every 20seconds
[18:18] <hyde> arcanescu: for that purpose RPi is just a Linux (or whatever OS you put in it) PC, it does not have a GSM chip, so answer is not Rpi specific, really...
[18:18] <FreshSpider> just 0,5s or 1s
[18:18] <arcanescu> +DeliriumTremens: i tried, couldnt find one....
[18:18] <DeliriumTremens> couldnt find one that does PDU?
[18:18] <axion> FreshSpider: what bitrate and codec mkv?
[18:19] <arcanescu> hyde: yes, i just asked cause maybe someone might have expereinced it
[18:19] <FreshSpider> On my MacBook it runs very fine!
[18:19] <FreshSpider> Uhhhh
[18:19] <arcanescu> DeliriumTremens: nope
[18:19] <DeliriumTremens> ??\_(???)_/??
[18:19] <Benighted> arcanescu: would be neat to add something similar to http://frozenmist.co.uk/downloads/berryio/
[18:20] <arcanescu> i looked at voipbuster thats on the Pi that only does normal sms
[18:20] <hyde> arcanescu: were you thinking of using network service, or some USB device, to send the SMS?
[18:20] <FreshSpider> Sherlock.Holmes.2.A.Game.of.Shadows.2011.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-CyTSuNee.mkv
[18:20] <DeliriumTremens> any way to have the pi encode it, send it using a standard sms service, then decode it with a third party app on whatever phone gets it?
[18:20] <axion> FreshSpider: ok, x264...but what bitrate?
[18:20] <DeliriumTremens> FreshSpider: you don't say
[18:21] <DeliriumTremens> i've heard people have issues with DTS
[18:21] <arcanescu> hyde: i dont mind any. I have a trackign system I made, it excepts sms messages only in pdu form
[18:21] <arcanescu> Imthinking using the PI to send messages to it
[18:21] <FreshSpider> How can I get the bitrate ? :$
[18:21] <DeliriumTremens> is the tracking system on a phone?
[18:21] <Benighted> Anyone using XBMC with Rom Collection Browser?
[18:21] <DeliriumTremens> Benighted: yes
[18:22] <arcanescu> DeliriumTremens: yes it is very low power and an old phone
[18:22] <arcanescu> the board slides on the phone
[18:22] <DeliriumTremens> RCB 1.0.6
[18:23] <Benighted> DeliriumTremens: can we have a quick side chat? It's driving me batty, I can see all my roms but fails on launching
[18:23] <DeliriumTremens> Mine fails on launching too :3
[18:23] <Benighted> Gah
[18:23] <DeliriumTremens> I updated from 1.0.1
[18:23] <DeliriumTremens> which also failed
[18:23] <Benighted> What emulators you using?
[18:23] <DeliriumTremens> but 1.0.6 doesn't even spew an error
[18:23] <axion> FreshSpider: mplayer will tell you
[18:23] <DeliriumTremens> in xbmc.log it shows the launch as successful
[18:23] <DeliriumTremens> i should see if those processes are still running..
[18:24] <Benighted> I got it working on Raspbian, installed RetroPie and EmulationStation - got that working, so now determined to get it working on OpenELEC
[18:24] <Benighted> when I do, I'll be posting a noob friendly how-to, because I've been at this for weeks
[18:24] <DeliriumTremens> i'm using Raspbmc
[18:24] <Benighted> both based on xbmc
[18:25] <Benighted> should be the same
[18:25] <DeliriumTremens> Everything works aside from launching within xbmc -.-
[18:25] <DeliriumTremens> nes, snes, atari2600, mame
[18:25] <DeliriumTremens> i can launch manually, or using emulationstation
[18:25] <DeliriumTremens> but not with RCB
[18:25] <Benighted> right
[18:25] <Benighted> trying some new emulators today, will let you know how it turns out
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[18:26] <DeliriumTremens> at least with v1.0.1 i was getting errors
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[18:27] <axion> FreshSpider: playing 1080p smoothly over a network can be a challenge, and a hit or miss. The pi's network speed is not very fast and dependant on power supply used, and also DTS audio will slow it down a bit. Consider adjusting smsc95xx.turbo_mode in cmdline.txt, trying another power supply, using wifi instead, or increasing the pi's cpu/gpu clock speeds
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[18:28] <messenjah> wifi is faster than lan?
[18:28] <dirty_d> weed is completely legal in colorado and washington now, lol
[18:28] <dirty_d> thats crazy
[18:28] <axion> it very well could be when we're talking about the pi's lan
[18:28] <messenjah> wow!
[18:28] <messenjah> what a goal
[18:28] <messenjah> nice news dirty_d
[18:28] <FreshSpider> @axion: thanks!
[18:28] <FreshSpider> I think yes, its the bitrade
[18:29] <FreshSpider> I play now a movie of 720p and it works well
[18:29] <messenjah> hmk axion
[18:29] <dirty_d> i wonder what will happen now?
[18:29] <axion> its still illegal
[18:29] <axion> federal law overrides it
[18:29] <dirty_d> "Breaking news, drug related crime in CO and WA decline by 1000%"
[18:30] <messenjah> ^^
[18:30] <arcanescu> yes its easily avaiable now
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[18:30] <arcanescu> no need to fight over drugs
[18:30] <dirty_d> yea, but the FBI dont drive around looking for people smoking weed
[18:30] <arcanescu> ;)
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[18:31] <dirty_d> strange country we have here how something can be legal in the state but not in the federal gov
[18:31] <axion> not that i think its a drug, but dont let the freenode ircops see you talking about it or you will be klined
[18:31] <dirty_d> ok
[18:31] <arcanescu> dirty_d: weed is legal in state?
[18:31] <axion> they have a strict policy as this network is hosted in the UK
[18:31] <dirty_d> arcanescu, CO and WA since yesterday
[18:32] <dirty_d> ahh i see
[18:32] <arcanescu> dirty_d: wow must visit them states
[18:32] <dirty_d> lol
[18:32] <messenjah> ^^
[18:32] <arcanescu> :P
[18:32] <arcanescu> the new amsterdam
[18:32] <FreshSpider> Weed, its legal in The Netherlands too..
[18:32] <FreshSpider> Lol
[18:32] <arcanescu> helllooooooo CO WA
[18:32] <arcanescu> yes
[18:32] <arcanescu> :D
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[18:33] <FreshSpider> Right now, we need passes to buy weed in the netherlands :/
[18:33] <arcanescu> what the ... what passes?
[18:33] <skurk> passports
[18:33] <FreshSpider> no
[18:33] <arcanescu> i thought you can go into a coffe shop and get some
[18:33] <FreshSpider> Special Weed passes!
[18:33] <FreshSpider> omg
[18:33] <messenjah> yo that scks FreshSpider
[18:33] <anildigital> anyone has link to flash wheezy to sd card .. I have macbook pro.. so osx is the os
[18:33] <FreshSpider> Thats how it was always yea!
[18:33] <FreshSpider> BUT?.
[18:34] <skurk> you need to be a dutch citizen to buy weed in the netherlands now
[18:34] <skurk> to stop "drug tourism"
[18:34] <FreshSpider> true
[18:34] <messenjah> anildigital: use the dd command on terminal
[18:34] <FreshSpider> the passes will be gone for sone
[18:34] <skurk> which was sort of the only tourism to the netherlands :)
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[18:34] <dirty_d> meanwhile in colorado... http://i.qkme.me/3roce0.jpg
[18:34] <FreshSpider> because, nobody wants to say "Hello, I use weed"...
[18:35] <FreshSpider> So They go faster to a drug dealer on the corner
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[18:35] <Benighted> Gov't doesn't care about weed, they just don't want hemp farmers ruining their gas, clothing, textile, and paper monopolies (ironically the crop that built the US from the ground up)
[18:35] <messenjah> anildigital: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[18:35] <FreshSpider> They tested the passes for (I guess) one year, and it gives more problems so, soon its like the old way
[18:35] <messenjah> what a nice discussion we have here now :D
[18:35] <FreshSpider> lol indeed,
[18:36] <FreshSpider> But, I really don't care about the weed :/
[18:36] <FreshSpider> I am clean now for 2 weeks
[18:36] <FreshSpider> and I am happy with that
[18:36] <messenjah> 3 months
[18:36] <messenjah> too
[18:36] <messenjah> ;)
[18:36] <FreshSpider> ?. I joke :+ lollll
[18:36] <DeliriumTremens> gad, i havent smoked in like 8 months
[18:36] <skurk> they could just have people say some complex phrase in dutch cause that language is impossible for foreigners
[18:36] <messenjah> no joke
[18:36] <messenjah> lost driver license ;)
[18:36] <messenjah> want it back
[18:36] <FreshSpider> haha, that sucks
[18:36] <messenjah> indeed
[18:36] <Benighted> I quit several times, still daily ;)
[18:36] <dirty_d> Benighted, the DEA would be out of a lot of jobs if it were legal too
[18:37] <dirty_d> i think thats a big big part of it
[18:37] <FreshSpider> I smoked just 'sometimes'? I passed that age I guess
[18:37] <DeliriumTremens> fluggaenkdechioebolsen
[18:37] <axion> WA has a blood limit for driving
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[18:37] <arcanescu> Well
[18:37] <axion> thats rediculous as it stays in your blood for up to a week
[18:37] <Benighted> dirty_d yeah, need to justify their paycheques somehow, may as well be telling legal adults how to live their personal lives
[18:37] <arcanescu> Now Obama promised new Jobs
[18:38] <axion> usually 3-4 days before its found in fat cells only
[18:38] <arcanescu> look its just been one day and WA and CO have new jobs
[18:38] <FreshSpider> What about mushrooms
[18:38] <FreshSpider> its not that populair no?
[18:38] <arcanescu> selling shrooms and what not
[18:38] <dirty_d> axion, no they check your blood to see how high you are
[18:38] <axion> exactly
[18:39] <axion> you cannot check for weed in your blood, only metabolites of weed
[18:39] <dirty_d> well they check for the one that makes you high
[18:39] <axion> there is no telling how long it has been or how high you are
[18:39] <dirty_d> once you stop being high the blood chemistry is different and can be detected
[18:39] <Benighted> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAvZAJm12U
[18:40] <FreshSpider> But what about the cops who check you of weed use when you drive a car?
[18:40] <axion> you guys missed my point
[18:40] <dirty_d> they arent checking the metabolites though
[18:40] <dirty_d> theyre checking the active chemical
[18:41] <FreshSpider> ah, and these can just be there after a couple of hours? after using?.
[18:41] <arcanescu> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/colorado-washington-states-legalize-recreational-marijuana/story?id=17652774#.UJqc1Ha8yPI
[18:41] <Benighted> axion the 5-0 is telling people they can use a breathalyzer now
[18:41] <arcanescu> duuuuuuuuuuuudeeeeeeeeeeeeee wherez my w**d ?
[18:41] <arcanescu> :P
[18:41] <dirty_d> FreshSpider, its like a brethalyzer for weed
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[18:42] <dirty_d> its measuing the active chemical that makes you high, so they can tell if youre too high to drive
[18:42] <dirty_d> tehy dont care about hte metabolites that stick around
[18:42] <FreshSpider> ah, ok .. I understand the way of testing.. cleaver :/
[18:43] <axion> they test ng per mL in blood, which has no saying how high you are, or if at all. also different labs have different cutoff points
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[18:45] <dirty_d> axion, why not?
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[18:47] <axion> why doesnt it say how high you are?
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[18:49] <anildigital> dd: /dev/disk1: Operation not supported
[18:49] <anildigital> on mac
[18:50] <messenjah> you have to use "sudo dd"
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[18:50] <messenjah> and enter your pw
[18:50] <anildigital> messenjah: yep .. I am using sudo
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[18:51] <messenjah> Using the device name of the partition work out the raw device name for the entire disk, by omitting the final "s1" and replacing "disk" with "rdisk" (this is very important: you will lose all data on the hard drive on your computer if you get the wrong device name)
[18:51] <dirty_d> axion, yea
[18:51] <messenjah> hm
[18:52] <akk> You made sure all partitions were unmounted before running dd, right?
[18:52] <anildigital> ?? sudo dd if=/Users/anil.wadghule/Code/2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m
[18:52] <anildigital> dd: /dev/disk1: Operation not supported
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[18:52] <messenjah> shure disk1???
[18:52] <axion> it just says you have smoked in the last 1-2 weeks...it declines quite fast ater the first day, but a high level from an ocassional user could be very similar to a chronic user a week or 2 later
[18:52] <messenjah> sure*
[18:52] <axion> its not reliable
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[18:52] <messenjah> disk1 seems not to be the right
[18:52] <scummos> dirty_d: hey, don't know if you remember me -- we were discussing about frying-pan soldering some weeks ago
[18:53] <dirty_d> axion, http://norml.org/legal/drug-testing/item/the-abcs-of-marijuana-and-drug-testing see blood testing
[18:53] <Benighted> Anyone else here using Rom Collection Browser?
[18:53] <dirty_d> scummos, i do
[18:53] <dirty_d> how did it go?
[18:53] <Benighted> And have it working?
[18:53] <scummos> dirty_d: I tried it since and I successfully soldered a 10QFN-chip with that method
[18:53] <scummos> dirty_d: but the board got quite burnt in the process...
[18:53] <peetaur2> anildigital: on FreeBSD you get an error like that if you don't use some "sysctl -w debugflags...." type command; maybe you need something similar?
[18:53] <axion> "THC only remains detectable in the blood of cannabis consumers for a few hours (though low, residual levels may be detected in chronic smokers for up to 12-24+ hours" this is a little understated. it is typically much longer but still proves my point
[18:53] <scummos> dirty_d: reading the internet tells me that the common FR-4 material those boards are made out is unsuitable for this kind of technique. now I'm wondering, what do I use instead?
[18:54] <dirty_d> scummos, it got burned?
[18:54] <scummos> dirty_d: it got pretty brown
[18:54] <scummos> dirty_d: the epoxy clearly suffered visibly from the high temperatures
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[18:54] <dirty_d> scummos, i think you did it way too hot
[18:55] <axion> dirty_d: in other words, there is no telling you were high at the time of driving. it just says you were high recently, maybe a week prior, maybe a day prior, or MAYBE while driving
[18:55] <scummos> dirty_d: hm, I actually had a thermometer and it said around 240??C
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[18:55] <scummos> dirty_d: wikipedia says that the material will denaturalize at 140C, which is way too low for soldering... and it also says the material is unsuitable for this kind of technique ;p
[18:55] <anildigital> now it says resource busy
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[18:56] <dirty_d> axion, theres a direct correlation between the amount of that chemical they are looking for and how high you are.
[18:56] <akk> anildigital: asking again: are you sure you've unmounted any partition on that device.
[18:56] <peetaur2> anildigital: maybe you need to unmount it... maybe your OS auto-mounted it already
[18:56] <dirty_d> its the same principal as blood alcohol level
[18:56] <dirty_d> the chemcial in your blood IS what makes you high
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[18:57] <axion> no there is not. it drops drastically after a couple hours of use, yes. but for a chronic smoker this could be the same level as a user that is high, only after not smoking for a few days
[18:57] <dirty_d> it doesnt just stay in your brain, its in your entire bloodstream
[18:57] <axion> it is all subjective
[18:57] <dirty_d> axion, yes they have SOME in their blood
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[18:57] <dirty_d> theyre looking for a large amount meaning youre high as hell
[18:57] <dirty_d> and not fit to drive
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[18:58] <axion> yes but you fail to read what i said
[18:58] <axion> i work for a damn lab lol
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[18:58] <dirty_d> axion, what kind
[18:59] <axion> we do pre mployment blood tests at a hospital i work at
[18:59] <axion> anyway off topic
[18:59] <dirty_d> why blood tests?
[18:59] <anildigital> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4751&start=50 helps
[18:59] <FreshSpider> lol
[18:59] <dirty_d> urine is more effective
[18:59] <dirty_d> or hair
[19:00] <axion> because its a hosptial and the most reliable method not easily compromised
[19:00] <FreshSpider> hahaha
[19:00] <FreshSpider> I can't image a cop who take some of my blood or my hair :+
[19:00] <dirty_d> axion, but like you said, only reflects the past day or two
[19:01] <dirty_d> maybe they know stoners make great nurses and want to give them a break, lol
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[19:03] <FreshSpider> @axion, the valid code for the turbo activation in cmdline.txt is, 'smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N' ?
[19:03] <anildigital> how long it take do dd image..
[19:03] <axion> yes change N though
[19:04] <axion> depends on sd card speed and image size of course
[19:04] <axion> how long does it take to drive?
[19:04] <anildigital> I added n as 1m
[19:04] <anildigital> too slow??? :(
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[19:09] <anildigital> how are you guys using your Raspberry Pi?
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[19:11] <Benighted> entertainment, and server
[19:11] <axion> thin client, web/ssh server, videos, and lisp image
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[19:13] <dirty_d> mines a wireless gateway/media center
[19:14] <anildigital> axion, Benighted, dirty_d nice
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[19:14] <anildigital> it's still dd'ing
[19:14] <axion> go make some coffee
[19:14] <anildigital> 1177550848 bytes transferred in 829.852798 secs (1418988 bytes/sec)
[19:15] <anildigital> axion: more than hour ?
[19:15] <axion> very well could be
[19:15] <anildigital> or few more minutes
[19:15] <Benighted> axion, everything but lisp ... what is that?
[19:15] <Benighted> no one using rom collection browser working?
[19:16] <axion> put simply, a family of programming languages
[19:17] <Benighted> anyone have recommendations of how to take programming to the next level? It seems the pi has done what I bought it for, peaked my interest in programming and fully converted me from Windows to Linux
[19:17] <anildigital> should I start with bs=4M
[19:17] <anildigital> 10M
[19:17] <s5fs> Benighted: solve some problems, scratch your own itch
[19:17] <Benighted> bs=1M
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[19:17] <FreshSpider> I just use my pi as an media center (got a webserver here too).. I would like to see if I can make a live wind force meter out of with.. Something with 3G who sends me data of the wind..
[19:18] <anildigital> Benightedwhy 1M
[19:18] <FreshSpider> I am a fanatic windsurfer.. lol
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[19:18] <Benighted> s5fs: doing so now with trying to get RCB working for the 5th consecutive week lol
[19:18] <anildigital> data of wind?
[19:18] <axion> Benighted: learn a new language
[19:18] <FreshSpider> yes, wind data.
[19:19] <scummos> dirty_d: so, when you did this kind of hotplate soldering stuff, you just used ordinary boards? no special heat-resistant material?
[19:19] <s5fs> Benighted: not familiar with RCB, i'm using node.js on my rasppi, looking to pick up a few more to build a small cluster
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[19:19] <dirty_d> scummos, nope just regular FR4
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[19:19] <Benighted> node.js, you mean to cluster pi's?
[19:19] <Benighted> mmm cluster pi
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[19:20] <dirty_d> scummos, how long did you have it on the plate?
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[19:20] <Benighted> I'm prepping for my Linux+ exams right now, want to learn python and php after
[19:20] <s5fs> Benighted: yes. i'm planning on using one pi as a load balancer, and the remaining pis as node.js 'nodes'. thinking about using riak for the database.
[19:20] <axion> Benighted: go for lisp :)
[19:20] <scummos> dirty_d: not sure exactly, but no longer than a minute for sure.
[19:20] <s5fs> php is funky, i'm not sure i'd make the investment these days
[19:21] <scummos> I'll have to do some more experiments then, if you say it works
[19:21] <Benighted> s5fs: interesting, I was hoping to try similar but it's beyond my understanding atm axion: can you provide advantages?
[19:21] <akk> Knowing a little PHP is useful.
[19:21] <axion> for lisp?
[19:21] <s5fs> sure, but if you know another language then php is pretty easy to pick up
[19:21] <dirty_d> scummos, thats also probably a little too hot
[19:22] <Benighted> I already know a little PHP and not scared to crack a file and start editing, good to note about not learning the bulk of it
[19:22] <akk> Not for lisp. And yeah, PHP is easy to pick up, Lisp isn't.
[19:22] <s5fs> i just believe that it's value is dropping in favor of rails and node.js
[19:22] <scummos> dirty_d: but does solder not need like 240C to melt?
[19:22] <akk> Lisp isn't all that useful today except for fun brain-stretching.
[19:22] <axion> its one of the oldest high level languages, but its still in widespread use...older than C. NASA helped create it. the original author coined the term artificial intelligence. it is still the preferred language ion the scientific community for this reason. dont let that scare you...its actually easier than python once you get up and running
[19:23] <dirty_d> scummos, nope 60/40 melts at 188C
[19:23] <Benighted> currently know powershell, bash, html/css, bit of java, then wanted to get more into mysql/php dev for some site ideas, and python for application building - steer my learning if you have suggestions :P
[19:23] <scummos> dirty_d: really. that explains things... I'll try with a lot lower temperature then next time
[19:24] <FreshSpider> it's funny yo read :)
[19:24] <FreshSpider> I am a web developer for 5 years now
[19:24] <axion> fud. lisp is very useful. its starting to replace python/ruby for web development
[19:24] <s5fs> Benighted: python is the most general-purpose in the list imho (second to java), i'd suggest continuing your education there
[19:24] <dirty_d> scummos, i really only leave it on as long as it takes for the solder to melt
[19:24] <FreshSpider> 5 years of experiance
[19:24] <axion> much like they replaced php
[19:24] <FreshSpider> in php and all that languages
[19:24] <dirty_d> scummos, i dont do this anymore though, i have a hot air gun
[19:24] <scummos> dirty_d: but still wikipedia says the glass transition temperature of FR-4 was 140C, and I'd interpreted that as the temperature where it will be changed permanenly
[19:24] <scummos> dirty_d: yeah, okay :)
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> it's not
[19:24] <anildigital> should I do next
[19:24] <anildigital> next
[19:25] <scummos> lisp is not going to replace anything imo ;P
[19:25] <anildigital> while configuring
[19:25] <scummos> especially not python for web development
[19:25] <s5fs> axion: i'm not aware of anyone using lisp for web work, although i wouldn't doubt it. my guess is that it's still very much a niche market.
[19:25] <axion> #lispweb
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> glass transition is where it 'melts' and goes a little floppy
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[19:25] <axion> look at the 20 or so web frameworks or ask around in there :)
[19:25] <scummos> SpeedEvil: so it might survive higher temperatures without permanent denaturalization?
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:25] <scummos> alright, thanks!
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> short term
[19:25] <scummos> yes, sure
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> it's actually the epoxy
[19:26] <scummos> the chips need to survive too ;P
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> also, heating over 140c may cure the epoxy more
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> chips are soldered at >200c
[19:27] <axion> i used to do web app devleopment in python due to RAD. now i do it in lisp, even faster and easier. so i beg to differ that lisp is not ready for webdev
[19:27] <Benighted> thanks s5fs, axion I will continue with python, and will need to look into node.js more too - lisp will need to wait
[19:27] <Benighted> scummos, thank you too!
[19:27] <scummos> Benighted: i didn't really do anything, but thanks :)
[19:28] <scummos> I can recommend python, in any case :D
[19:28] <s5fs> python is a great general-purpose scripting language, you can't go wrong
[19:28] <axion> lisp is too magical to understand, therfor pretty intimidating
[19:29] <s5fs> axion: learning lisp is on my to-do list, but it's hard to figure out where to fit it in.
[19:29] <axion> i mean have you heard of an application that can recompile itself and learn from its mistakes during runtime
[19:29] <axion> ?
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> http://www.token.com.tw/smd-power-inductors/image/leadfree-ir-reflow.gif
[19:29] <Benighted> scummos yes,you added perspective, always appreciated!
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> scummos:
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[19:29] <nid0> random question, anyone whose active imminently thinking of installing apache on their pi?
[19:29] <s5fs> axion: no, but i haven't been looking at it either
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[19:30] <s5fs> nid0: i passed over apache in favor of rolling my own using node.js
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[19:30] <s5fs> nid0: i'd also look at lighttpd over apache too
[19:30] <arcanescu> lighthttpd
[19:30] <arcanescu> i use that
[19:30] <Benighted> axion, I will not forget about it, but prioritization needs to be put lower than something as multi-purpose as python
[19:30] <anildigital> I don't have keyboard. I have mouse only
[19:30] <anildigital> now how do I control :)
[19:30] <scummos> SpeedEvil: that's lead-free, isn't it? so my temperatures are probably somewhat lower
[19:30] <Benighted> axion: intriquing points though
[19:30] <dirty_d> Benighted, have you learned python?
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> scummos: lead free will be all in the last decaish
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> decadeish
[19:31] <s5fs> it seems that all functional programming boils back down to lisp anyways, it's inevitable that i'll dork with it at some point, haha
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[19:31] <SpeedEvil> excepting some things
[19:31] <Benighted> dirty_d: I'm in the process, just need to finish up my Linux+ certification (hopefully writing exams in the next week)
[19:31] <anildigital> is keyboard compulsory for first time?
[19:31] <Benighted> dirty_d then full python learning
[19:31] <s5fs> anildigital: i haven't hooked up a keyboard to my pi ever, i access it entirely via ssh
[19:31] <dirty_d> Benighted, maybe take a look at C++
[19:32] <dirty_d> Benighted, the new 2011 standard
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[19:32] <scummos> SpeedEvil: for hobbyists lead is still ok, isn't it
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> scummos: it depends
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[19:32] <anildigital> s5fs: it's asking to config
[19:32] <anildigital> like info
[19:32] <anildigital> enable or disable ssh server
[19:32] <anildigital> now I don't have keyboard to choose that
[19:32] <dirty_d> scummos, just dont eat your gadgets
[19:32] <Benighted> dirty_d: thank you - I've wanted to learn C++ for ages but the math, it burns
[19:32] <scummos> dirty_d: oh really :D
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> lead free plus leaded parts in some cases can be a major problem
[19:32] <s5fs> anildigital: why no keyboard?
[19:32] <dirty_d> Benighted, math? no more than in python
[19:32] <anildigital> s5fs: I don't have it now
[19:33] <s5fs> anildigital: physically you don't have a keyboard, or it's plugged in and just not working?
[19:33] <scummos> SpeedEvil: oh, you mean, if components are designed for lead-free soldering?
[19:33] <Benighted> dirty_d: hmm, I'll need to give it another look
[19:33] <anildigital> it's asking to config
[19:33] <rikkib> Raspbian comes with ssh enabled
[19:33] <anildigital> how do I choose finish
[19:33] <scummos> SpeedEvil: but the reflow profiles I find here always have peak temperatures of about 230 degrees
[19:33] <anildigital> raspi-config window
[19:34] <s5fs> anildigital: sorry, i'm not certain how to help.
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[19:34] <rikkib> Just find your ip address and connect from a remote machine
[19:34] <SpeedEvil> scummos: yes. in some cases, alloying can mean the parts fall off the board in 3 months
[19:34] <anildigital> rikkib: what is it's username and password
[19:34] <scummos> heh okay
[19:34] <axion> lisp is pretty impressive. in 1998 nasa launched a spacecraft to deep space with a piece of lisp code running that developed a bug...they were able to have the program fix itself while it was running, some millions of miles away
[19:34] <rikkib> User pi pass raspberry
[19:34] <scummos> that really sounds like lisp ._.
[19:35] <Benighted> axion: I'll definitely have to check out lisp for my space pi
[19:35] <axion> hehe
[19:37] <axion> you could name it picard
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[19:38] <s5fs> engage!
[19:39] <s5fs> starship enterpi
[19:39] <steve_rox> you gave a pi a warp drive?
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[19:41] <Benighted> s5fs: R2pi2
[19:41] <Benighted> C3piO
[19:41] <s5fs> haha, love it!
[19:42] <s5fs> i'm still more of a trek fan than a wars fan, but that's me
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[19:42] <Benighted> :) I've got respect for both, not overly fanatical though
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[19:43] <Benighted> DeliriumTremens: You still around?
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[19:45] <Benighted> ugh, anyone know a way to enable ssh (or tty2) in raspbmc/openelec?
[19:45] <Benighted> seriously stupid there is no terminal option
[19:46] <anildigital> how to turn it off?
[19:46] <anildigital> remove the usb directly?
[19:47] <anildigital> also.. how do I know
[19:48] <LowValueTarget> anildigital: If you're running raspbian or another linux distro, I would `shutdown -Ph now`
[19:48] <LowValueTarget> then wait until you see no act or network activity
[19:48] <LowValueTarget> and unplug
[19:48] <anildigital> I am using whizzy
[19:48] <LowValueTarget> that's linux
[19:49] <anildigital> how do I know whether it's 256MB vs 512Mb?
[19:49] <messenjah> 2G or 4G
[19:49] <messenjah> google is full of that
[19:50] <messenjah> sry
[19:52] <anildigital> ok
[19:52] <messenjah> if you find 2G on the samsung chip on the raspberry pi its 265mb, 4g is 512
[19:53] <Benighted> anildigital: top
[19:53] <anildigital> must be 256
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[19:54] <anildigital> 4G
[19:54] <anildigital> :D
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[19:54] <DeliriumTremens> Benighted: sup
[19:55] <messenjah> oh cool, i ordered mine 2 days ago
[19:55] <messenjah> will be a 4G too
[19:56] <Benighted> DeliriumTremens: what emulators did you try?
[19:56] <messenjah> my second
[19:56] <DeliriumTremens> nes, snes, atari2600, mame
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[19:57] <Benighted> nes/snes which ones?
[19:57] <hadifarnoud> can anyone know how to change raspbmc boot logo?
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[19:57] <Adie> :/
[19:57] <Adie> someone sell me a raspberry pi
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[19:59] <s5fs> Adie: i'll rent you time on my pi if you want ;-)
[19:59] <s5fs> like old skool unix time sharing
[19:59] <Adie> :/
[19:59] <messenjah> :D
[20:00] <Adie> I want one but they are backordered for months :/
[20:00] <Benighted> DeliriumTremens: how to did implement them, did you use zsnes.exe, or the linux source?
[20:00] <Adie> unlike most people
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[20:00] <s5fs> haha, i'm most people, what is your purported use?
[20:00] <nid0> I *could* sell you one of mine
[20:00] <Benighted> Adie I have many uses for them, that's why my first order was for 2, now I ordered 3 more :)
[20:01] <s5fs> yeah, i need 3 more
[20:01] <Adie> ima stuff it in the corner next to my router
[20:01] <Adie> running an irc bouncer, and internet radio
[20:01] <Adie> cuz I love listening to internet radio
[20:01] <Adie> :/
[20:01] <s5fs> haha, i'm using a vm for irc stuffs and my pi lives next to my router too, i made it a lego case over the weekend
[20:02] <messenjah> lego case too here
[20:02] <messenjah> pretty nice
[20:02] <messenjah> and i love lego
[20:02] <s5fs> mine looks like crap but it's workable
[20:03] <s5fs> i have a bunch of pieces from a mindstorm kit and some gigantor crane i thought was cool
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[20:05] <messenjah> ^^
[20:05] <messenjah> i followed a tutorial ;)
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[20:06] <s5fs> that's probably wise, i spent way more time than i should've on the case
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[20:09] <dirty_d> DeliriumTremens, the beer?
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[20:13] <s5fs> what are you folks using as 'companion' microprocessors? right now i'm using an arduino uno but it's too large, i'd prefer something smaller
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[20:13] <rikkib> STM32V
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[20:14] <akSeya> hi folks :)
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[20:14] <rikkib> 320x240 Touch screen plus lot more
[20:14] <s5fs> yeah, i'm only seeing them with displays
[20:14] <akSeya> anyone from NY? can you tell how long it took to receive your raspi after ordered, and how much costs the shipment?
[20:15] <Benighted> akSeya: probably into december now, shipping is reasonable, maybe 6-8 bucks
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[20:16] <akSeya> :) i friend of mine if going to NY from Brazil.. i'm asking him to bring me two pieces of pi :)
[20:17] <Benighted> my motto is, always buy one more than you're going to need...
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[20:17] <Benighted> ...because it's inevitable someone who sees yours will want one without the lengthy wait
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[20:17] <Benighted> ...or you will find other uses for your existing, and want to keep one free to tinker with
[20:18] <s5fs> Benighted: good strategy. i bought my pi from a buddy who ordered too many. glad i waited before buying multiples now that the 512 is out.
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[20:20] <akSeya> Benighted, i have one already
[20:20] <akSeya> now I want 2 more, with 512 :P
[20:20] <Benighted> s5fs: thanks, I bought 2x 256 model, within 2 weeks of having it a friend of mine expressed keen interest, so I'm selling him one (partly why I'm so insistent on getting roms working) and placed order for 3 more of the 512
[20:21] <Benighted> probably will use the 256 for GPIO testing/prefabs, and keep my 512's as server, thinclient, and entertainment devices
[20:22] <akSeya> my GF kicked my raspi, and it broke the card holder :(
[20:23] <akSeya> I had to fix it with epoxi.. now it will be hard to sell it
[20:23] <akSeya> but I still want two with 512
[20:23] <akSeya> XD
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[20:23] <akSeya> I payed abot US$190 for mine =/
[20:24] <DeliriumTremens> dirty_d: the beer or the affliction, however you want to look at it
[20:24] <akSeya> brazilian taxes....
[20:25] <rikkib> 190 each?
[20:25] <akSeya> I bought just one
[20:25] <akSeya> but yeah, 190 =/
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[20:27] <rikkib> Brazilian dollar worth more or less than USD?
[20:27] <akSeya> rikkib, US$1=RS$2,00
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[20:28] <rikkib> Ahhh than brings it into perspective
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[20:28] <rikkib> That
[20:28] <akSeya> but i payed US$190
[20:29] <rikkib> Hmmmm
[20:29] <rikkib> To early in the morning to think about numbers
[20:29] <axion> anyone try a mk802/ug802/mk808 device yet?
[20:30] <rikkib> Does Brazil have RS opr Element14?
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[20:30] <akSeya> on invoice, newark described raspi = $35, shipment = $20 , handling fee (or something like that) = $20. Then Brazilian taxes costed almost 100% over the invoice price =/
[20:31] <akSeya> I was one of the first 10000, I couldn't wait XD .. but now yes, there is a newark, it is costing R$170 (almost US$85)
[20:32] <akSeya> but that's why I'm asking my friend.. he is going on vacations to NY, then he can mock two on his luggage and skip taxes ;)
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[20:33] <rikkib> I pay $56NZD which is $46.26USD
[20:33] <akSeya> fair enough
[20:34] <arcanescu> how many ppl here work at the Pi Factory ?
[20:34] <rikkib> That is shipped to my door.
[20:34] <rikkib> From RS
[20:36] <rikkib> akSeya, Is the time in Brazil 17:36 +- a few minutes?
[20:36] <akSeya> yeap, that's it
[20:36] <LowValueTarget> i lucked out and ordered mine from makershed... $50 after tax and shipping and received it in less than a week
[20:36] <LowValueTarget> my element 14 order wasn't going to ship until dec 2
[20:36] <rikkib> I have a STM32V clock that I have made. One of the clocks is set to RBST
[20:37] <rikkib> BRST
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[20:37] <rikkib> I am a ham... Like to know the time in places.
[20:37] <akSeya> :)
[20:38] <rikkib> My little sbc clock shows 8 clocks
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[20:40] <akSeya> what does "sbc" mean?
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[20:41] * rikkib likes the idea of going to Brazil... Probably never happen but. My sister looked after a girl going to school here. Exchange student at high school (age 13 - 17)
[20:41] <Adie> hot.
[20:41] <rikkib> single board computer
[20:41] <akSeya> oh :)
[20:42] <rikkib> STM32V which is actually two modules
[20:42] <rikkib> cpu and screen
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[20:43] <rikkib> Pity the RPi does not have a full 16 bit bus on gpio
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, there are 17 GPIO pins on a rev 1 pi - 21 on a Rev 2...
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[20:56] <plugwash> true but afaict they are spread across a load of different "ports" rather than all being part of a single port
[20:57] <plugwash> So lots of bit fiddling would be needed to actualy output 16 bit values on them
[20:57] <plugwash> and you'd have to do all the addressing manually
[20:57] <rikkib> STM32D, the display that goes with the STM32V requires 26 lines
[20:58] <rikkib> ,
[20:58] <Datalink> I... see 17 GPIO on 1 port, with a function you can address them as a 16 bit integer
[20:58] <Datalink> it'd be a lookup table, sure but it's possible
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> well... it's one port, but the bits are not adjacent - which is a fiddle.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> and it takes 2 writes - one to turn bits off and one to turn them on - I've just added in an 8-bit write into wiringPi...
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, you can read them as a 32-bit integer, but you then need to unpack the bits...
[20:59] <rikkib> FSMC bus plus spi
[20:59] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, yeah, like I said, lookup table
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's possible, but fiddly. the Pi is really not the device for doing that sort of stuff with...
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[21:03] <Benighted> anyone bored, and want to help me get emulators working on raspbmc or openelec?
[21:03] <Benighted> lol
[21:03] <asaru> the retropie script works well
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[21:03] <asaru> some of the emulators are a little buggy at times but for the most part it wroks
[21:04] <asaru> *works
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[21:05] <Benighted> asaru: for xbmc?
[21:05] <steve_rox> i got sms emulator working but the sound sync is wayyy off :-/
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[21:07] <axion> decrease the buffer
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[21:08] <Benighted> how you get it working steve_rox
[21:09] <asaru> well
[21:09] <asaru> as far as xbmc goes you could use the advanced launcher to start the emulators
[21:09] <asaru> i dunno about emulator addons for xbmc
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[21:12] <steve_rox> i cant rember what the emulator is called now
[21:12] <asaru> sms?
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[21:13] <asaru> i would probably still just install retroarch and use the advanced launcher to start it
[21:13] <steve_rox> gcat-mastersystem-1.1.tar.gz
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[21:14] <steve_rox> seemed simple to get it started
[21:14] <steve_rox> lack of joystick support annoying tho
[21:14] <Benighted> asaru got retroarch working on wheezy, but not raspbmc
[21:14] <steve_rox> theres also some timeing issue with it , as when im in the special stage of sonic1 the clock runs down way too fast
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[21:19] <bertrik> oh, gcc was upgraded from 4.4 to 4.6?
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, Joystick did you say? https://projects.drogon.net/nes-controller-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[21:20] <bertrik> nevermind, not sure about that, and a question for #raspbian anyway
[21:20] <steve_rox> usb based
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, that's boring :)
[21:20] <steve_rox> but simplier
[21:21] <steve_rox> i had one spare , sega saturn usb retro pad
[21:22] <plugwash> bertrik, raspbian offers gcc 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7
[21:22] <steve_rox> just installed something called filetea to the pi which is a web based file shareing system , seems aptitude is servering a old alpha copy
[21:22] <plugwash> but the default is and always has been 4.6
[21:22] <steve_rox> i managed to get a updated copy in tar format but no idea how to update
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[21:24] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: always impressed with your work. i look forward to the day where i can do similar work.
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[21:29] <gordonDrogon> s5fs, cheers! I just doing what I enjoy though.
[21:30] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: that's the best approach, keep it up!
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[21:31] <steve_rox> i want to try hack my pi into a sega game gear but theres many obsticals to overcome
[21:32] <steve_rox> the 3.5 lcd inside it looks impressive
[21:33] <s5fs> steve_rox: the pi have enough horsepower to pull that off?
[21:34] <steve_rox> to run what
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[21:34] <s5fs> game gear emu
[21:34] <steve_rox> haha
[21:34] <steve_rox> runs pefect speed apart from sound sync and a few other things
[21:34] <steve_rox> iam running at 1ghz tho
[21:35] <s5fs> nice! don't forget to make the final form factor kinda crappy to hold for extended periods of time ;-)
[21:35] <steve_rox> heheh
[21:35] <steve_rox> i saw that gameboy one they did
[21:35] <steve_rox> it was messy to say the least
[21:35] <s5fs> did they have bonk's adventure on the gamegear? i forget.
[21:35] <s5fs> i had the genesis, loved it
[21:35] <steve_rox> whats that
[21:36] <steve_rox> i do have genesis emu setup too
[21:36] <s5fs> what!? bonk's adventure is probably the best gigantic-headed angry caveman game ever made.
[21:36] <s5fs> go ahead, name a better one!
[21:36] <steve_rox> errr
[21:36] <steve_rox> captain caveman
[21:37] <steve_rox> or something
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[21:38] <s5fs> haha!
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[21:41] <steve_rox> do i win? ;-)
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[21:42] <Porpado> Would the raspberry pi make a good media center computer to hook up to my projector?
[21:42] <nid0> it would make a cheap one
[21:42] <nid0> good is subjective
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[22:04] <LowValueTarget> has anyone compiled node.js on their pi in raspbian
[22:04] <LowValueTarget> holy hell compile takes forever
[22:04] <jelly1> yes some people did..
[22:05] <jelly1> the reason why, no one knows
[22:05] <LowValueTarget> what ... installing node on the pi?
[22:05] <s5fs> LowValueTarget: yeah, totally
[22:05] <LowValueTarget> pfft. Haters gon' hate.
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[22:23] <dirty_d> http://cdn.crackberry.com/files/kevin/hatersgonnahate.jpg
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[22:32] <TheSeven> hm... how do i get udev to correctly evaluate rules for devices that are detected during kernel init already?
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[22:38] <mrmoney2012> sorry for such a basic question but I'd like to run a script at boot - where do i specify ?
[22:38] <mrmoney2012> currently i ssh in and type ./switch1.sh &
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[22:39] <mrmoney2012> i also need it to be running from the base of the use pi, as the user pi really
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[22:41] <Meatballs> try /boot/boot.rc ?
[22:41] <FBeans> ?
[22:41] <FBeans> I dont have a boot.rc file in my /boot dir
[22:41] <FBeans> ...
[22:42] <FBeans> also, is this core going to be ok with the Pi
[22:42] <mrmoney2012> is ok??? in crontab maybe.. @reboot /home/steve/bin/foo
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[22:42] <FBeans> wow
[22:42] <FBeans> well thanks brain
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[22:42] <FBeans> I am in the wrong channel responding to people, who are clearly not talking to me
[22:42] <FBeans> good.
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[22:43] <Meatballs> :>
[22:43] <TheSeven> I'd use /etc/rc.local or an init/upstart script
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[22:44] <FBeans> anyone who has used retroArch...
[22:45] <FBeans> do you know if there is a core for the snes
[22:45] <FBeans> (I have heard it's poo, but want to try it)
[22:45] <FBeans> the core im using is just for NES
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[22:46] <s5fs> LowValueTarget: i compiled node overnight on my pi, future builds will be cross-compiled
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[23:17] <asaru> FBeans: pocketsnes-libretro
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[23:19] <LowValueTarget> s5fs: never had to cross compile before
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[23:19] <LowValueTarget> probably worth checking out
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[23:20] <hetii> Hey :>
[23:21] <hetii> Small question. i install on my pi board xbmc, in the setting i enable airplay service.
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[23:21] <hetii> How can i test it ? for eg how can i stream something from my laptop with debian intro this service?
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[23:23] <FBeans> asaru: Im in #retroarch, currently getting some help compiling snes9x-next
[23:24] <FBeans> we'll see how that goes
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[23:26] <LowValueTarget> s5fs: did it take all night?
[23:26] <s5fs> LowValueTarget: well, i fell asleep so i have no idea how long it ran, haha!
[23:27] <LowValueTarget> i started mine at 1530 -- been running for an hour
[23:27] <s5fs> but yeah, i won't compile on the pi again, it's just stupid slow
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[23:27] <s5fs> if i were at home i'd post my binary for you
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[23:29] <s5fs> LowValueTarget: i've also noticed that initial requests are very slow
[23:29] <LowValueTarget> hmmm
[23:29] <LowValueTarget> could be your code?
[23:29] <LowValueTarget> are you overclocked at all?
[23:30] <s5fs> possibly, but subsequent requests are quick. no, i haven't overclocked it at all, it's prob underclocked slightly
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[23:31] <s5fs> the node server i wrote is dead simple, not even sure i'm using connect, just http/https
[23:31] <LowValueTarget> hmm
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[23:35] <s5fs> LowValueTarget: i stood the pi up about 2wks ago, connected it to an arduino and that's about it. i've done no profiling or performance tuning at all for either the host nor the app.
[23:35] <LowValueTarget> yeah
[23:35] <LowValueTarget> just got my sd card today
[23:38] <FBeans> s5fs: :/ im doing it as we speak, compiling on the Pi that is
[23:38] <FBeans> must set up cross compiling
[23:38] <s5fs> FBeans: honestly, it would prob take me less time to setup cross compiling and compile what i want than to do it again on the pi, haha!
[23:39] <s5fs> but! i can't watch star trek while confiring things
[23:39] <FBeans> that's the main reason I run gentoo
[23:39] <FBeans> time for an update
[23:40] * FBeans browses downlaoded TV
[23:40] <FBeans> *downloaded
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[23:40] <asaru> FBeans: i have pocketsnes working great on my pi
[23:40] <asaru> sound and all
[23:40] <asaru> only problem i've found so far is some of the games drop my second controller
[23:41] <asaru> like dkc
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[23:42] <FBeans> hmm
[23:42] <FBeans> is that working well with snes asaru ?
[23:42] <asaru> but im using gamecon-gpio with snes controllers, so the bug might be in there somewhere
[23:42] <asaru> yeah it plays every game i throw at it
[23:42] * rikkib is loading software onto a STM32V board to talk to the serial console on the RPi. Cross your fingers.
[23:42] <asaru> just some games wont use controller 2
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[23:42] <FBeans> thats kind of annoying, im half way through compiling this other core
[23:43] <asaru> well give it a shot
[23:43] <asaru> let me know how it works out
[23:43] <asaru> and if you can play 2 player coop in donkey kong country
[23:43] <asaru> :)
[23:43] <FBeans> lol
[23:43] <FBeans> I have that 5meters away on my snes
[23:43] <FBeans> but I WANT IT HERE TOO
[23:43] <FBeans> lol
[23:43] <asaru> lol
[23:43] <asaru> right
[23:43] <asaru> my plan was to mount everything inside an actual snes
[23:44] <asaru> with a 7" or so screen on top, where the cartridge would go
[23:44] <asaru> i have psx emulation working great too on my pi
[23:45] <asaru> with pcsx-libretro
[23:45] <FBeans> thats awesome!
[23:45] <asaru> and the retropie script seems to work well, i've tried using it and i've tried compiling everything myself
[23:46] <asaru> only thing about that script i dont like is it makes all the dirs for stuff regardless if you decide to include said emulator
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[23:46] <FBeans> yea
[23:46] <asaru> everything else seems to work fine
[23:46] <FBeans> but that sounds pretty great
[23:46] <FBeans> my plan is to clone the coffe table idea
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[23:46] <asaru> nice
[23:46] <FBeans> but a poor mans version
[23:46] <FBeans> with controllers
[23:46] <wjoe> Wow really? I didn't think the pi would be able to handle PSX emulation
[23:46] <asaru> yeah it plays tony hawk just fine lol
[23:46] <wjoe> I guess phones have been able to a while, and it's not that much weaker
[23:47] <asaru> i've also tried crash bandicoot and tenchu and a couple others
[23:47] <asaru> mgs and syphon filter obviously
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[23:47] <asaru> little slow in mgs
[23:47] <asaru> but i was using snes controllers lol
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[23:47] <wjoe> Haha
[23:47] <asaru> that gamecon-gpio has support for psx controllers as well
[23:48] <asaru> so i'll probably get some extension cables and throw a couple of those on there one day
[23:49] <wjoe> We were using a PS2 controller with a USB converter to play Mario bros 3 yesterday
[23:49] <wjoe> Worked surprisingly easily. Thanks standard input devices
[23:49] <asaru> nice
[23:50] <wjoe> How do you use controllers with GPIO?
[23:50] <asaru> gamecon-gpio
[23:50] <wjoe> Well I mean, physically
[23:50] <asaru> kernel mode drivers for snes/nes/gc/n64/psx controlelrs
[23:50] <asaru> maybe more i dunno
[23:51] <wjoe> Have to cut open the wires or something?
[23:51] <asaru> i bought a pair of snes extension cables
[23:51] <asaru> cut them in half and wired the female ends to gpio
[23:51] <asaru> so i can plug real snes controlelrs into them
[23:51] <wjoe> Nice
[23:51] <asaru> i'll do the same with psx cables
[23:51] <asaru> maybe some others
[23:52] <asaru> but this gamecon-gpio only supports up to 4 i gues
[23:52] <asaru> i could probably fix that assuming there are enough gpio pins available for data channels
[23:52] <asaru> all the nintendo flavors use the same pinouts mostly
[23:52] <asaru> nes clk/latch/v+/gnd/data
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[23:53] <asaru> so my 2 snes controllers share clock/latch/ground/v+ and then use separate pins for data
[23:53] <wjoe> I'm going to have to do some reading on that stuff. Haven't touched GPIO so far
[23:53] <asaru> i soldered a little board for the connectors
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