#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-08

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[0:03] <crouge> is it normal that cpu load is 100% when playing mp3 with mocp?
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[0:05] <narcos> When running apt-get update I get the following:
[0:05] <narcos> W: GPG error: http://archive.raspberrypi.org wheezy InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 82B129927FA3303E
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[0:05] <narcos> What's up with that, Pi People?
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[0:06] <narcos> narcos: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=18176
[0:06] <narcos> narcos: thanks
[0:06] <narcos> narcos: np
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[0:15] <FBeans> 22:39 < asaru> FBeans: i have pocketsnes working great on my pi
[0:15] <FBeans> so
[0:16] <FBeans> turns out the other core is pretty slow
[0:16] <FBeans> im running the ROM remotley, so ill try locally, but it looks poo tbh
[0:16] <FBeans> time to try pocketsnes
[0:16] <FBeans> any tips? do I have to compile it?
[0:16] <FBeans> anyone got a binary?
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[0:26] <axion> just use retroarch-rbp-git and be done with it
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[0:28] <FBeans> ahh
[0:28] <FBeans> are there binaries here
[0:29] <FBeans> I mean, ive already kicked off the compile
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[0:31] <axion> yes for arch linux. unknown for other
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[0:33] <FBeans> ah ha
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[0:33] <FBeans> well compile it is for now then
[0:34] <FBeans> maybe I can share my binary when I have it
[0:34] <FBeans> somewhere
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[0:55] <Troy^> Hello, anyone have any home wine/beer projects on the go with there rasoberry pi
[0:56] <Jever> i got lots of wine/beer at home
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[0:57] <Benighted> troy none of mine lasts long enough to hook up electronics
[0:57] <Benighted> troy how about distillery? scotch pi?
[0:59] <s5fs> Troy^: have you looked at BrewPi?
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[1:05] <Troy^> hmm, lol..
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[1:08] <Troy^> brewpi looks cool
[1:09] <Troy^> Only making wine for now. First time making wine actually or any sort of my own alcohol
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[1:11] <Troy^> made a white pinot gris, might make a red next
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[1:16] <s5fs> i homebrewed for a while but never made wine. takes too long for my liking whereas beer is ready pretty quick. plus, i'm not a wine person.
[1:16] <Troy^> how long does beer take?
[1:16] <s5fs> couple weeks for an ale
[1:17] <Troy^> i tried to do beer. but i will needs kegs, co2 system and a keg fridge
[1:17] <Troy^> wine was cheaper
[1:17] <s5fs> nah you can just bottle it
[1:17] <PhotoJim> if you do ales, you don't need a keg fridge I don't think. it ferments at room temperature.
[1:17] <Troy^> nah i don;t want to bottle it
[1:17] <PhotoJim> oh, you're talking about serving it.
[1:17] <Troy^> i will be doing ales yes. yea
[1:18] <PhotoJim> I like beer better than wine. Easy choice for me, should I homebrew.
[1:18] <s5fs> even corny keg setups aren't too expensive, i see them on craiglist with fridges for a couple hundred bucks
[1:18] <PhotoJim> but I do like a good Riesling.
[1:18] <Troy^> i like beer better as well,
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[1:19] <MystX> Someone said my name and it was too long ago to be in my logs D=
[1:20] <Cembo> MystX
[1:20] <Cembo> There, fixed
[1:20] <MystX> Ty.
[1:20] <Cembo> No problem, mate
[1:21] <asaru> this morning at 9:11 cst
[1:21] * Cembo grabs his cape and wanders off solving crimes
[1:21] <asaru> it was a bad copy/paste, looked like a nick list for the channel
[1:21] <asaru> accident
[1:21] <MystX> Wow. And here I was thinking I was important
[1:22] <asaru> lol
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[1:23] <LowValueTarget> s5fs: 2.5 hours
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[1:23] <Prinler> BRB
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[1:24] <s5fs> LowValueTarget: dang!
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[1:33] <s5fs> LowValueTarget: working properly though? what are you using node on the pi for?
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[1:36] <wry> vikorasmussen: Hmm?
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[1:53] <LowValueTarget> s5fs: im going to use it for web interface for whatever I end up doing with the gpio
[1:53] <LowValueTarget> s5fs: might end up using flask though
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[1:54] <s5fs> i'm using mine to control arduinos via usb/serial connections (which i hope to remote wirelessly later)
[1:54] <LowValueTarget> nice
[1:55] <LowValueTarget> s5fs: my short-sighted goal is to build something like plasmatrim.com
[1:55] <s5fs> yeah, so far i've got it turning an led off/on, haha!
[1:55] <LowValueTarget> im a lumiphile
[1:56] <s5fs> yeah, that was my idea too, but instead of individually addressable leds i was going to use an ikea dioder and just dork with the rgb
[1:56] * LowValueTarget googles to make sure that's not something bad
[1:56] <LowValueTarget> cool
[1:56] <s5fs> i want my pi to be the house automation server
[1:56] <LowValueTarget> aight man
[1:56] <LowValueTarget> im outtie
[1:56] <LowValueTarget> catch ya manana
[1:56] <s5fs> same, peace!
[1:56] <LowValueTarget> good luck!
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[1:57] <rigid> LowValueTarget: hey
[1:57] <s5fs> ditto! if you want any of my code so far lemme know and i'll github it
[1:57] <rigid> damn, too slow
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[1:58] <rigid> s5fs: which ikea dioder?
[1:59] <s5fs> rigid: the multicolor version
[1:59] <rigid> s5fs: can you interface it to the rpi? maybe it's possible to do a plugin for http://wiki.niftylight.de ?
[1:59] <s5fs> rigid: i was going to use an arduino or whatever to interface with it directly
[2:00] <s5fs> rather than using the rasppi
[2:00] <rigid> i'm not really into ikea stuff, i have no idea how it works... i just read "RGB" :)
[2:00] <rigid> hm...
[2:00] <s5fs> same. the dioder is just a few led lightbars and a little controller. seems like an easy hack to get it working, but i wonder if i can vary the light level via pwm or something.
[2:00] <rigid> s5fs: why not use the rpi GPIOs/SPI ?
[2:01] <s5fs> rigid: i dont' want the pi directly connected
[2:01] <rigid> ah
[2:01] <s5fs> the plan is to allow the pi to manage multiple devices, so it's just the brains of the outfit
[2:01] <rigid> s5fs: that's wise...
[2:01] <s5fs> plus, i don't know squat about the gpio pins nor spi, but i believe require an ADC or something?
[2:02] <s5fs> <- not a hardware dude
[2:02] <rigid> with niftyled you could just re-use a configuration and replicate your arduino to enlarge the setup
[2:02] <s5fs> i'm not familiar with niftyled
[2:03] <s5fs> in truth, i dont' care if anythign works well or at all, i just want to do the project and learn stuffs. the less out-of-the-box, the better.
[2:03] <rigid> s5fs: you'd use something like this: http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/index.html but scalability really is an argument for a "USB bridge" (i.e. arduino)
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[2:03] <rigid> s5fs: sure niftyled is brand new, i did it ;)
[2:03] <rigid> if you use it, you can combine this project with later projects :-P
[2:04] <s5fs> this you? https://github.com/niftylight/niftyled
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[2:04] <rigid> yep
[2:04] <s5fs> very cool
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[2:05] <rigid> the GUI configuration tool is not ready yet tho... i guess in the next days a preliminary version will be ready
[2:05] <s5fs> cool man, you doing the whole thing in c++?
[2:06] <rigid> nah, C
[2:06] <rigid> maybe I port it to C++ someday... it would have been wiser to do it in C++ from the beginning
[2:07] <s5fs> haha, so it goes
[2:08] <rigid> s5fs: basically you create an XML config (later, using the GUI) which describes the devices used in your setup, how many leds are connected to each device and how they are arranged... then you choose a tool to feed pixels to it
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[2:09] <s5fs> dang this looks pretty mature, the wiki is nice
[2:09] <rigid> "ledcat" that eats RAW data or image files, "ledcap" that captures the screen to the LEDs, "niftyled-vlc plugin" or "niftyled-gstreamer plugin" to use VLC or any gStreamer media play... etc....
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[2:10] <s5fs> any screenshots or videos of it in action?
[2:10] <rigid> s5fs: it's far from major... some parts are over a decade old but the project is mere 2 years and just recently became somewhat "usable"
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[2:10] <rigid> s5fs: not so cool like I would want but some stuff is here http://wiki.niftylight.de/Category:Showroom
[2:11] <s5fs> this looks pretty slick, i've been noodling with the idea of building some led matrices
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[2:12] <rigid> s5fs: thanks, i'm happy to give support if you want to give it a shot
[2:12] <s5fs> config looks straightforward, at least the xml file does
[2:13] <rigid> there is still stuff on the roadmap to complete but it would be nice to get some attention/participation from the community
[2:13] <s5fs> i'm assuming you've built some large marquees or similar in the past?
[2:13] <s5fs> also, you've seen starfucker's led video wall, yes?
[2:14] <rigid> s5fs: mostly effect lighting but also small videowalls (s. showroom) ... lots of them, yep
[2:14] <rigid> s5fs: no, never heared of it... should i?
[2:14] <s5fs> yeah, pretty cool project: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/09/25/rockstar-quality-led-video-wall/
[2:15] <s5fs> here's a better link: http://dorkbotpdx.org/blog/armatronix/led_video_wall
[2:15] <s5fs> the build is really cool, and it packs down super small.
[2:15] <rigid> did they build it for themselves?
[2:16] <rigid> making stage suited equipment is not trivial
[2:16] <s5fs> the band contracted a guy to build it for them, local band and local geek
[2:17] <s5fs> yeah, touring bands beat things up. i don't get the impression this build is of that level of quality
[2:17] <rigid> s5fs: to be honest, i'm quite bored from rectangular LED matrix setups... you can do much more if you put a light designer together with a digital graphic artist using niftyled :)
[2:17] <rigid> nice
[2:17] <rigid> i wonder how much they paid for it...
[2:18] <rigid> s5fs: hehe, yesterday i did a plugin for the LPD8806 they use in that wall
[2:18] <s5fs> i feel like they posted the price somewhere, but i forget
[2:18] <rigid> but untested since I don't have a raspi :(
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[2:19] <s5fs> aw man, that's too bad. got one on order yet?
[2:19] <rigid> they use a USB video capture device... ouch
[2:19] <rigid> that's stupid
[2:20] <rigid> s5fs: would i be here otherwise? i'm desperate...
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[2:20] <s5fs> haha! i'm in here to kill time while working
[2:21] <rigid> if you'd use an analog signal on that resolution & LEDs, you need some decent processing ... hence the artefacts in all the photos i guess
[2:21] <rigid> IRC is a great way to kill time :)
[2:21] <DeliriumTremens> best way
[2:22] <s5fs> i know very little about electronics and cannot judge the quality of their build nor design, but it sure has a "coolness" factor
[2:22] <rigid> it's not that I couldn't imagine something better
[2:23] <rigid> s5fs: well, imagine filming the screen of a DVD and scaling that down to low resolution... that's a bit what they're doing
[2:24] <rigid> when you see every small brightness difference (even when not gamma corrected) you want crisp digital data... otherwise every small distortion is visible...
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[2:32] <s5fs> i kinda got the impression they were just feeding video from an ipod or something, haha!
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[2:32] <s5fs> anyways, time to make for home, go work on personal projects for a while.
[2:32] <s5fs> take care gang!
[2:33] <rigid> :)
[2:33] <rigid> o/
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[3:54] <bbond007> got my RPi working with PDAnet on iPhone via USB, totally cool :P
[3:55] <bbond007> did not try powering iphone off the pi, used a hub
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[4:14] <CaptainOblivious> bbond007: Did you supply the internet over Wifi or USB?
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[4:29] <bbond007> CaptainOblivious, over USB
[4:29] <bbond007> something called umx2007
[4:29] <CaptainOblivious> Awesome. I'll have to try that if I get the Nexus 4.
[4:30] <bbond007> i dunno if pdanet for android uses same protocol as pdanet for iphone
[4:31] <bbond007> but it seems meuch better than wifi
[4:31] <bbond007> with pdanet anyway
[4:33] <CaptainOblivious> Pretty sure Android does it over USB natively. It did it on my sisters Droid Incredible a few years ago.
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[5:29] <bbond007> i have real dried raspberries to eat.
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[5:49] <SpeedEvil> I have quick-frozen ones from the garden
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[9:57] <gordonDrogon> Morning Pi chaps of Chappiness! (and Chapeses!)
[9:58] <Anppa> Morning, GordonChaplin
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[10:00] <Armand> Morning, gordonDrogon .o/
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[10:03] <Anppa> oh, it's a shoulder, right. my first thought was amputation :D
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> shoulder?
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[10:08] <Anppa> the . in .o/
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[10:09] <Armand> O_o
[10:10] <nid0> yay, replacement phone coming at 11:32
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Oh...
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[11:01] <bxc> so are there any IO boards actually available for order? gertboard was sold out last i looked and the mancheseter one didn't look for sale...
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[11:07] <Armand> Isn't the Gertboard out of production for now?
[11:08] <bxc> yeah thats what i meant
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[11:08] <bxc> mostly i want something that someone who has a clue about hardware has built to protoct me from myself...
[11:08] <Armand> They won't be selling them in kit form anymore?
[11:08] <bxc> Armand: i thought they'd just run out
[11:08] <bxc> ?
[11:09] <bxc> the schematis were online so i suppose i cna built pieces of it myself
[11:09] <bxc> which is probably fine
[11:09] <bxc> and perhaps more fun
[11:09] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, I'm pretty sure the SNESDev board is just a thinly disguised breakout board
[11:10] <Sonny_Jim> http://petrockblog.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/snesdev-rpi-a-snes-adapter-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[11:10] <Armand> Ok, seems I'm wrong, bxc. :P
[11:10] <Sonny_Jim> Sorry,it's called the RetroPIE adapter
[11:10] <Sonny_Jim> http://petrockblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/the-retropie-gpio-adapter/
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[11:12] <artag> slice of pi/o is available. It's only got 16 bits of digital i/o though, no power drivers, relays, leds stc.
[11:12] <artag> *etc.
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[11:14] <bxc> the relays and higher power stuff is what i'm most concerned about...
[11:14] <_julian> hi
[11:14] <bxc> i guess i can get some of the gertboard parts and build on breadboard
[11:14] <Armand> bxc, I don't want a gertboard.. but, I am looking for a solution for powering the Pi via GPIO.
[11:14] <_julian> anyone in here working with gstreamer on rpi? it seems so far no omx video-output support exists for rpi in gst?
[11:15] <bxc> Armand: i've seen people do that
[11:15] <bxc> Armand: they just stuck a PSu on it, I think
[11:15] <bxc> ask in irc.z.je #raspberrypi
[11:16] <bxc> it was something there i think
[11:16] <Armand> I'll have to roll in regulators and fuses.. at the moment, I'm using a 5V regulator to power some salvaged USB ports.
[11:17] <Anppa> Armand: can one just apply +5V to the correct pins in P1?
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[11:17] <Armand> Anppa, yeah.. but I want protection via fuses and such. My regulator doesn't have a fuse.
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[11:18] <Armand> Using the standard microUSB, I'm relying on the polyfuse. Which is fine, of course.. but, I'm still using the onboard 3.3v regulator.
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[11:19] <Anppa> ... and I assume providing power via a different socket (p1 vs. usb) is a problem?
[11:20] <artag> 5V on P1 isn't a problem (though it does circumvent the fuse, as Armand says). But 3.3 isn't meant to be supplied there, it would be backdriving the 3.3 regulator
[11:21] <artag> so if you want to do that you have to remove or disable the regulator
[11:21] <Anppa> does p1 5V not connect to the same rails that usb after the fuse does?
[11:21] <Anppa> which would feed 5v to the 3.3v regulator just the same?
[11:21] <artag> yes, exactly
[11:21] <shiftplusone> What's the 3.3v used for? Is that for the sd card?
[11:21] <artag> most of the board uses 3.3
[11:22] <shiftplusone> the main chip itself is 3.3?
[11:22] <artag> Armand: what I mean is that if you want to have external regulation for the 3.3 and supply it to the board via p1, it will fight the onboard regulator
[11:23] <artag> the main chip seems to have a 5v supply too. i'm not sure how it's used
[11:23] <shiftplusone> That would all make sense. I have tried to power the pi through gpio, but it didn't work too well. (though it did work)
[11:23] <Anppa> is there a difference between +5V -> microusb -> polyfuse -> 3.3v reg -> 3.3v out and +5V -> own fuse -> P1 -> 3.3v reg -> 3.3v out?
[11:24] <shiftplusone> you can't take off the 3.3v regulator and supply the 3.3v through gpio as well?
[11:24] <artag> shiftplusone: someone has done that, but it does mean removing it
[11:25] <artag> Anppa: I think there's no difference
[11:25] <Anppa> so armand just needs a fuse
[11:25] <shiftplusone> alright thanks for the info
[11:26] <artag> Depends on his regulator really. If that current limits at 1A I wouldn't see much point in a fuse. If it limits at 2 or 3, maybe you should.
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[11:26] <Anppa> I probably wouldn't bother with a fuse :D
[11:29] <artag> I get a bit jumpy when people talk about supplying power on gpio. maybe it's just me, but I think of gpio as the actual i/o pins that go to the processor. you certainly shouldn't power it over those.
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> bxc, not a proper IO board, but: http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/kits/raspberry-ladder-kit.html
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> tandy also have gertboards too: http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/kits/gertboard-deluxe-kit.html
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[11:32] <gordonDrogon> although it looks like they're out of stock for now.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> artag, the GPIO connector on the Pi has power pins too...
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, I've powered a Pi via the 5v on the GPIO connector - worked a treat....
[11:33] <artag> yes, it does, I can see why they get called that
[11:33] <Anppa> they share a connector, but of course it's different if one supplies power to power pins instead of one supplies power to gpio pins
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> that would be somewhat sub-optimal :)
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> back in a tick - local farmers market time.
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[11:41] <FBeans> anyone here that has got retroarch-pocketsnes working on the pi, specifally raspbian
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[11:45] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, all of the peripherals worked as well and everything was as stable?
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[11:46] <artag> what problem did you have, shiftplusone ? I'd expect it to work too
[11:46] <shiftplusone> this was a while back, I don't remember too well.
[11:46] <shiftplusone> I just remember that it worked, but not fully.
[11:46] <artag> were you only supplying 5, or doing something with 3.3 as well ?
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[11:47] <shiftplusone> nuh, just the 5v
[11:47] <shiftplusone> I think there were sd read errors when booting.
[11:47] <shiftplusone> maybe all of the driver updates have sorted that out since then.
[11:47] <artag> if anything, i'd expect it to work better than the usb since there's no chance the fuse will cause problems
[11:50] <FBeans> asaru: Having some issues with Raspbian and pocketsnes, wondering how you got around the lack of support for RGB565
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[11:51] <bede> muahahaha: pi1 is alive pi2 is alive pi3 is alive
[11:52] <bede> now let's see if i can get pacemaker to run there
[11:53] <Armand> Sorry, Anppa, artag.. I had to walk the dog. -_-
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[11:54] <Armand> The onboard 3.3v reg is easily removed.. but, I've got a few other things to figure out too.
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[11:56] <Armand> I think I could power 4/6 boards via a USB panel, using only one regulator.. considering the ones I bought are capable of 3A load.
[11:56] <Armand> But, that assumes the draw for each is less than 500mA
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yes - I was powering it via batterys too and driving 2 9v motors...
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[12:02] <Sonny_Jim> It's been a while since I've done it, but how do I make the output of xorg programs show on a different computer?
[12:02] <Sonny_Jim> I thought it was just DISPLAY=remotecomputer:0
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, yes - but you need to make sure the remote has enabled tcp/ip connections - most Linuxes disable this now.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, the easiest is actually to ssh -X from the remote to the Pi, then DISPLAY ought to be automatically set to localhost:10:0 or something like that...
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, however ssh is slow on the Pi, but hey...
[12:06] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm
[12:06] <Sonny_Jim> I'd rather not have the ssh overheard, but I'll give it a whirl
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> I use it occasionally.
[12:08] <Sonny_Jim> btw the Pi isn't great as a Software Defined Radio
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> isn't it?
[12:08] <Sonny_Jim> It can just about do FM modulation, but more than that and it slows to a crawl
[12:08] <Sonny_Jim> Trouble is most of gnuradio is built for monstah PC's
[12:08] <Sonny_Jim> I'm in the process of getting an account on the rtlsdr wiki to write up a page describing my experiences
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> how does gnuradio manage the timing?
[12:09] <Sonny_Jim> pass, I've only just started getting into gnuradio
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> or is it all a kernel module?
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:09] <Sonny_Jim> Oh and pager decoding works on the Pi :-)
[12:09] <Sonny_Jim> But seeing as my hostname points to the UK, what I mean to say is
[12:09] <Sonny_Jim> *theorectically* it works
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[12:11] <tsn> why is it that when is sudo as the default pi users theres no passwd asked, and when I try to do it as another user there is asked a passwd?
[12:11] <shiftplusone> check /etc/sudoers
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[12:11] <nid0> because the pi user is set in the sudoers file
[12:13] <tsn> the pi ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL line?
[12:13] <shiftplusone> that's right
[12:14] <tsn> shiftplusone: ty :)
[12:14] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, whare are you doing that requires the motors? just messing around with it or got yourself a project going?
[12:15] <shiftplusone> *what
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[12:15] <tsn> ouch getting xmonad on a .2 connection is a long procces
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, https://projects.drogon.net/adafruit-protoplate-for-the-rasbperry-pi/
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, near the bottom...
[12:22] <shiftplusone> lcd and keypad going to be through gpio as well? They take up quite a lot of pins without some sort of serial controller.
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> there's no lcd there - yet - the keypad needs 8 pins. motors 2 each.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I am designing a dedicated motor IO card... it'll be ready early next year with a bit of luck. aimed at the Big Track, but has applications for most little floor crawler roberts.
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[12:37] <nid0> [09:10] <nid0> yay, replacement phone coming at 11:32
[12:37] <nid0> van just pulled up, boo, 4 minutes late
[12:38] <nid0> <3 dpd tho
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> nid0, well - it was a 1-hour slot from 11:32 I suspect....
[12:40] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, a few shift registers might be a good idea for the lcd and keypad as well. But yeah, looks good. =)
[12:40] <nid0> yeah it was
[12:40] <shiftplusone> interesting looking keypad too
[12:40] <Draylor> :)
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yea, I made that keypad - um - 28 years ago...
[12:40] <Draylor> shame others havent started doing the whole '1hour window' thing, its great
[12:41] <shiftplusone> yeah, I read that bit
[12:44] <Armand> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-DC-Converter-Buck-Step-down-Voltage-LED-Power-Module-3A-12V-5V-3-3V-UK-/290741304877#vi-content
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I'm not looking ay shift registers though, but something a bit cleverer :)
[12:44] <shiftplusone> magic?
[12:45] <Armand> prayer? *trollolololol*
[12:45] <shiftplusone> (but no, I am a bit curious how to make the most of the limited number of GPIO pins ont he pi)
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> you add on a microcontroller...
[12:46] <Yotson> maybe add a small microcontroller?
[12:46] <Hydrazine> use a GPIO expander?
[12:46] <Yotson> ah... :)
[12:46] <shiftplusone> ah 'course.... and then just pass the commands through uart or somehting like that?
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> SPI, but yes, something like that.
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> although uart is better than spi in one respect - it's full duplex.
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> so the controller can sed data to the Pi asynchronously...
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> pi doesn't have to poll for data.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> but who knows :)
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> I know that I need to go to the kitchen now to do some baking - back in a bit.
[12:51] <shiftplusone> But then if you want to make use of full duplex that would make the microcontroller side of things a bit more difficult wouldn't it? Though if I recall correctly you can just add an interrupt on uart receive... so maybe it's not that complicated.
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[12:52] <Yotson> you could do some buffering on the microcontroller side. stuff data in a circular buffer by interrupts. handle buffer at your leisure.
[12:53] <shiftplusone> Hmm... an idea for a raspberry pi shield... Add a usb-uart module for debugging, an atmega32 for gpio with an onboard programmer for direct writting from the pi and a power supply going to gpio. Anything like that out there already?
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[12:56] <Yotson> sounds a bit like gertboard shiftplusone. He used some pic microcontroller iirc.
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> And you can program the micro straight from the pi as well?
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[12:57] <Yotson> no idea.
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[12:57] <shiftplusone> I should look into that, thanks.
[12:57] <Yotson> another option could be an arduino(compatible) board. Loads of code/hardware for those around.
[12:58] <tsn> is there an easy way to update/upgrade all packages?
[12:58] <shiftplusone> that would just end up being an arduino attached to a pi though, wouldn't it?
[12:59] <shiftplusone> tsn, which distro?
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[13:00] <Yotson> shiftplusone: yup, but that's basically what you do when adding a microcontroller. :)
[13:00] <bagpuss_thecat> Squirm: sounds like you want an Alamode
[13:00] <tsn> shiftplusone: raspbarian
[13:01] <shiftplusone> raspbarian is an actual distro or fo you mean raspbian? Either way, yes, you update like you would in any debian distro.
[13:01] <bagpuss_thecat> http://baldwisdom.com/introducing-raspbery-pi-a-la-mode/
[13:01] <bagpuss_thecat> sorry, not Squirm. shiftplusone
[13:02] <tsn> shiftplusone: sorry can't spell :)
[13:02] <shiftplusone> bagpuss_thecat, yup, that's pretty close (and a nice looking pcb too).
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[13:05] <tsn> tsn: and sorry for being lazy, I just did a man apt-get and the answer was on the first page :(
[13:06] <shiftplusone> heh, sorry I thought you would've had experience with apt before, but yeah it's pretty straight forward
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[13:10] <tsn> shiftplusone: I a gentoo-user so I only really know how to use emerge, but I don't think my patience would allow me to use that distro on the pi
[13:11] <shiftplusone> tsn, you could set up crossdev to build everything on your main pc then treat those as a binary repo and install on them on pi, but I haven't had much success trying to get that set up working.
[13:12] <shiftplusone> tsn, if you like gentoo you might prefer arch on pi rather than raspbian.
[13:12] <Anppa> Armand: why do you want to remove the onboard 3.3v reg?
[13:13] <Armand> To reduce power draw.
[13:14] <Armand> I'm using a solar source.
[13:14] <Armand> Right.. shops.. afk
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[13:16] <tsn> shiftplusone: my main pc at the moment is a thinkpad x32, so working there would not really help me :) And I have another sd-card with arch on it, so I am trying both out :)
[13:18] <shiftplusone> Heh, why on earth do you run gentoo on that? I've tried it on a thinkpad 560z and it wasn't fun.
[13:18] <shiftplusone> wait nvrm, wrong specs >.>
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[13:19] <shiftplusone> I thought it was one of the older <1ghz ones
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[13:27] <tsn> it this faster than that, but not much faster, but I've run it on a p2 once, and that was a pain
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[13:28] <FBeans> 12:09 < tsn> shiftplusone: I a gentoo-user so I only really know how to use emerge, but I don't think my patience would allow me to use that distro on the pi
[13:28] <FBeans> well
[13:28] <FBeans> I was speaking to alphis and he is cross compiling gentoo
[13:28] <Anppa> arch might suit you then
[13:29] <FBeans> and he said he may well blog it all this weekend
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, I have a lot of experience with concurrent programming, etc. doing stuff asynchronously isn't something I'm overly concerend with :)
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Yotson, gertboard uses an ATmega.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> alamodes interesting, but too expensive.
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[13:36] <Yotson> ah ok.
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[13:38] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, oh I know you wouldn't be too concerned. I was just wondering out loud for my own sake =D
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, sure!
[13:40] <shiftplusone> the most i've done with these controllers was make an rpn calculator written in assembly for uni, so I am not too experienced in that area.
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[13:42] <shiftplusone> (aside from arduino stuff, which is just cheating)
[13:43] <Yotson> so? as long as it works, cheating is fine. :P
[13:43] <shiftplusone> yup, that wasn't meant to be take as serious anti-arduino sentiment... a compliment to arduino if anything.
[13:44] <Yotson> i didn't take it as such. but i had to respond. lol
[13:44] <shiftplusone> but there is something satisfying about getting a keypad an an lcd workin in 4 bit mode directly in assembly without using nice other people's libraries.
[13:44] <Anppa> ... and if arduino is too hard, one can cheat with a raspi :]
[13:45] <Yotson> shiftplusone: definitely. :)
[13:45] <tsn> how hard would it be to use the pi to manipulate a eurorack analogue synth?
[13:46] <shiftplusone> *<except with proper grammar>
[13:46] <Yotson> grammar.fix(); there you go shiftplusone.
[13:47] <shiftplusone> heh
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[14:07] <tsn> oh, there's another thing, if my monitor is not on when I power-up the pi I can't seem to get anything displayed, is this due to a limitation in hdmi, or in my config? I am using the default.
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[14:13] <Gosy> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9965856/linux.jpg
[14:14] <bpuzzled> Gosy: what's in your /etc/hosts?
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[14:16] <bpuzzled> Gosy: it's sudo that's complaining in that screenshot. I suspect all you need is to add gosypi to the list of names for in /etc/hosts.
[14:16] <Gosy> hm wierd
[14:16] <Gosy> lemme try it
[14:17] <Gosy> i got
[14:17] <bpuzzled> that might get rid of sudo's complaints. as for why ddclient isn't starting, /var/log/messages (or /var/log/syslog) probably has a hint.
[14:17] <Gosy> gosyPI
[14:18] <Gosy> still getting erro
[14:18] <Gosy> r
[14:19] <Gosy> added
[14:19] <Gosy> as gosyPI also
[14:19] <bpuzzled> strange.
[14:19] <bpuzzled> it doesn't seem to be prevent sudo from working though.
[14:19] <Gosy> Nov 8 07:17:01 gosyPI /USR/SBIN/CRON[6264]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)"
[14:20] <bpuzzled> that's normal.
[14:20] <bpuzzled> grep ddclient /var/log/messages
[14:20] <Gosy> " gosyPI
[14:20] <Gosy> raspberrypi
[14:20] <Gosy> "
[14:21] <Gosy> doesn't give me a outcme
[14:21] <Gosy> come
[14:24] <Gosy> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9965856/linux.jpg
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[14:26] <bpuzzled> presumably you've set run_daemon to true? I'm not familiar with ddclient at all.
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[14:26] <Gosy> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9965856/linux2.png
[14:27] <Gosy> yeah but where do i set it to 'true' ?
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[14:28] <bpuzzled> probably /etc/default/ddclient
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[14:29] <bpuzzled> the message is slightly truncated in your screenshots, but it looks like it's trying to tell you about that file.
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[14:31] <bpuzzled> yeah, I just installed that package and it's that file you want to change the setting in.
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[14:55] <anildigital> hi friends
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[14:57] <anildigital> what os is better for streaming youtube videos on led tv
[14:57] <anildigital> i installed wheezy
[14:57] <gazzwi86> Im trying to run dark ice and icecast2 on my pi
[14:58] <gazzwi86> I can't seem to get dark ice running
[14:58] <gazzwi86> $ dark ice results in command not found
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[15:00] <rigid> gazzwi86: is that how you type it?
[15:00] <anildigital> what os should I install.. wheezy I am now finding ok
[15:00] <gazzwi86> rigid, no sorry
[15:00] <rigid> gazzwi86: whitespace in commands must be escaped... i guess it's "darkice"
[15:00] <gazzwi86> just darkice
[15:01] <rigid> gazzwi86: but you installed it?
[15:01] <gazzwi86> yeh
[15:01] <rigid> gazzwi86: and just "darkice" is the way to launch it according to the manual?
[15:01] <gazzwi86> I have /etc/default/darkice etc
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[15:02] <gazzwi86> so I'm presuming it all installed, appear to with no errors
[15:02] <rigid> gazzwi86: hm... i'm not sure but you could try "/etc/init.d/darkice start" or "service darkice start"
[15:02] <gazzwi86> anildigital: raspian is working fine for me on a led tv
[15:02] <anildigital> gazzwi86: but can you play youtube videos with it
[15:02] <gazzwi86> service darkice start just threw me to a new line no errors
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[15:03] <rigid> gazzwi86: then it's started now i guess
[15:03] <gazzwi86> anildigital, well i use the guy interface and have the browser up
[15:03] <gazzwi86> i haven't tried streaming videos but everything else is working fine, can't see why it wouldn't work
[15:03] <rigid> gazzwi86: you have to read up the docs how to have the service started automatically on bootup... i'm not too familiar with debian
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[15:04] <gazzwi86> rigid: I'm using raspian, which is a derivative of debian?
[15:05] <anildigital> gazzwi86: I heard with wheezy you can't play youtube as it doesn't have adobe flash in it
[15:05] <gazzwi86> anildigital: I would have thought you could get a package for it
[15:05] <anildigital> gazzwi86: also I want to play videos on my macbook and stream to Led with raspberry
[15:06] <rigid> anildigital: http://youtube.com/html5
[15:11] <anildigital> can RP connect to wifi network ?
[15:11] <anildigital> halp
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[15:14] <gazzwi86> anildigital: if you get a wifi adapter
[15:14] <gazzwi86> check out raspberry pi accepted devices there are a few wifi dongles listed there
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[15:20] <arcanescu> is it possible to use the RPI logo with some mods for a addon module for rpi ? or does it have a copyright issues?
[15:21] <xranby> arcanescu: its under copyright
[15:21] <xranby> arcanescu: you will have to talk to the foundation
[15:21] <ManiacTwister> arcanescu: http://www.raspberrypi.org/trademark-rules
[15:22] <arcanescu> aah thanks.... good i didnt use it
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[15:28] <messenjah> greeeetz
[15:28] <arcanescu> these rules a bit harsh.... should be allowed to say take a bite :( the least
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[15:29] <shiftplusone> you can
[15:29] <shiftplusone> you can't use 'byte'
[15:29] <messenjah> we dont neeeed
[15:29] <messenjah> no more trouble
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[15:54] <hadifarnoud> how can I start something on boot?
[15:54] <hadifarnoud> I did step 11 from http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=18090 but still tvheadend does not start with XBMC
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[15:55] <FreshServer> Hello Guys!
[15:56] <FreshServer> Are there people already here who build there own custom case for the raspberry pi? :D
[15:56] <Yotson> i know a couple that 3d printed their cases.
[15:57] <Hydrazine> some build one from lego
[15:57] <FreshServer> Yea I saw some examples indeed...
[15:57] <FreshServer> I am searching some inspiration to build a nice case.
[15:58] <Anppa> I'll be building a couple as soon as I'll be needing them
[15:59] <FreshServer> Would like to creat one out of wood.. a nice case for the living room.. hehe
[15:59] <Hydrazine> mill it from a solid piece :P
[15:59] <Hydrazine> might be nice
[15:59] <Anppa> FreshServer: I'll do that as well
[16:00] <Anppa> I'll use veneer of some exotic wood
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[16:01] <FreshServer> hmm, I am not sure about what kind of wood? I guess it will be a clear kind
[16:01] <skurk> FreshServer: http://singlelensreflections.blogspot.se/2012/06/plypi-my-raspberry-pi-computer-and.html that guy used layers of plywood, looks pretty good
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[16:02] <FreshServer> yes, that one is not ad at all.....
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[16:03] <Anppa> zebrano or something like that
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[16:04] <FreshServer> thats a good kind indeed
[16:04] <anildigital> I have wifi dongle.. which linux distros work with it?
[16:05] <nid0> my crystal ball says all of them
[16:05] <anildigital> hmm
[16:05] <anildigital> nid0: nice
[16:08] <mod_eerf> hadifarnoud, debian based should have an /etc/rc.local file that allows you to autostart commands/scripts
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[16:09] <mod_eerf> you can point to your start script in that file
[16:09] <hadifarnoud> cheers
[16:11] <hadifarnoud> so I can just add tvheadend in ther? mod_eerf
[16:11] <hadifarnoud> or I need a few more lines?
[16:11] <jelly1> hadifarnoud: doesnt tvheadend use a service?
[16:12] <hadifarnoud> not sure jelly1. I compiled it
[16:12] <hadifarnoud> it was not .deb
[16:12] <jelly1> even worse
[16:13] <hadifarnoud> so I just add tvheadend in /etc/rc.local? is that it? or I add this script? https://gist.github.com/44bdf7c3674d9f45db80
[16:15] <mod_eerf> i'm not sure of the proper syntax for the script you'll need (not familiar with tvheadend). If you have a shell script, you can place it in /etc/rc.local
[16:16] <jelly1> its not nice
[16:16] <jelly1> doesnt tvheadend have a daemon
[16:16] <hadifarnoud> yeah jelly1 but it needs root
[16:16] <hadifarnoud> wouldn't work with XBMC
[16:16] <jelly1> uh so
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[16:17] <hadifarnoud> I have a script I linked you to in /etc/init/tvheadend.conf
[16:17] <jelly1> i mean daemon as in /etc/init.d/tvheadend
[16:17] <jelly1> then just enable that
[16:17] <hadifarnoud> how?
[16:17] <hadifarnoud> noob, sorry
[16:17] <jelly1> well does it exists -> that file
[16:18] <jelly1> bam
[16:18] <jelly1> http://linux.mjnet.eu/post/102/install-tvheadend-from-the-repositories/
[16:18] <jelly1> hadifarnoud: sudo service tvheadend start
[16:18] <hadifarnoud> repo one is old
[16:18] <axion> systemctl enable tvheadend.service
[16:18] <jelly1> axion: i bet he doesnt use arch
[16:18] <axion> so?
[16:18] <hadifarnoud> worked :)
[16:18] <axion> systemctl is al over
[16:18] <axion> systemd rather
[16:18] <hadifarnoud> tvheadend start/running, process 1014
[16:19] <jelly1> axion: does raspbmc have systemd?
[16:19] <axion> it should be anyways
[16:19] <jelly1> or raspberrypi's debian distro
[16:19] <anildigital> I have connected wifi dongle.. i
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[16:20] <jelly1> hmm you can switch it seems http://blog.higgsboson.tk/blog/2012/09/19/systemd-on-raspbian/
[16:20] <anildigital> wpa gui .. still says . Scanning
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[16:20] <hadifarnoud> well it said started but webui not working.
[16:20] <jelly1> hadifarnoud: check your config
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[16:21] <anildigital> anybody know any simple method to connect to wifi ..
[16:21] <messenjah> someone needs an 48h uploaded premium code?
[16:21] <jelly1> networkmanager
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[16:23] <hadifarnoud> jelly1: I used the same config as before
[16:23] <hadifarnoud> not running
[16:23] <jelly1> hmm
[16:23] <jelly1> what is not running?
[16:23] <hadifarnoud> nothing in /var/log/messages either
[16:27] <hadifarnoud> what happens if I just add tvheadend in /etc/rc.local ?
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[16:31] <mod_eerf> did you start tvheadend as root, or as pi ?
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[16:32] <mod_eerf> seems with the script you linked before, it's being run from pi and forked to background
[16:33] <mod_eerf> su - pi -c "/usr/local/bin/tvheadend -f" from your link at https://gist.github.com/44bdf7c3674d9f45db80
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[16:50] <hadifarnoud> mod_eerf: I tried with just tvheadend in rc.local
[16:50] <hadifarnoud> still not loading it
[16:51] <hadifarnoud> ps -au |grep tvheadend does not show me any tvheadend. why the service is saying it was successfully ran?
[16:52] <axion> log, log its better than bad - it's good!
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[16:54] <HashNuke> hey all
[16:54] <johskar> Hi to you too HashNuke
[16:54] <axion> hi
[16:54] <hadifarnoud> mod_eerf: I have to run it as pi
[16:55] <mod_eerf> it did run successfully as pi?
[16:55] <HashNuke> I installed xmonad on my Pi (which runs the latest Raspbian). But when I run "xmonad" it says. /home/pi/.xmonad/xmonad-arm-linux does not exist.
[16:55] <hadifarnoud> no mod_eerf
[16:56] <hadifarnoud> ps -au |grep tvheadend shows nothing
[16:57] <hadifarnoud> oh. it works now. all I did was a few reboot
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[17:08] <hadifarnoud> my ext HDD used to mount in /media/usb0/ now it's /media/1e951e40-a310-3a2d-8b42-99ba6e6df24e
[17:08] <hadifarnoud> how can I change it back?
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[17:10] <mod_eerf> /etc/fstab file handles your mountpoints
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[17:11] <hadifarnoud> just symlinked it :D way easier
[17:11] <arcanescu> anyone here who used this : http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2012/06/raspberry-pi-and-frontline-sms/
[17:11] <mod_eerf> true true
[17:11] <arcanescu> apparently vodafone say through this dongle you cant* send an sms message...
[17:11] <arcanescu> I can receive messages fine but i cant send ...
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[17:19] <hadifarnoud> did anyone try hfs+ with read/write?
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[17:34] <DeliriumTremens> arcanescu: you are determined
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[17:41] <anildigital> so .. what packages should I install for wheezy?
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[17:42] <anildigital> also can I remotely control screen of my raspberry pi
[17:42] <anildigital> like vnc
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[17:46] <DeliriumTremens> http://myraspberrypiexperience.blogspot.com/p/setting-up-vnc.html
[17:46] <DeliriumTremens> After an exhausting 15 second google search, I came up with that.
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[17:47] <FR^2> DeliriumTremens: I prefer x11vnc
[17:48] <DeliriumTremens> I don't use any vnc on mine, i was just pointing out the huge amount of information already out there regarding Pi and vnc
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[17:53] <anildigital> is there flash player for wheezy?
[17:56] <jelly1> no this is ARM
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[17:58] <Lexip> Kinda expected you to kick him down a bottomless pit :/
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[18:01] <Lexip> :-(
[18:01] <jelly1> does webcams have issues when they dont get enough power?
[18:02] <Armand> It's ok, Lexip.. I'm wearing fluffy kitten slippers. :P
[18:04] <LowValueTarget> jelly1: most power hungry usb devices do
[18:04] <jelly1> [video4linux2,v4l2 @ 0x16715e0] mmap: Cannot allocate memory
[18:04] <jelly1> thats my problem
[18:04] <Lexip> I'm not expert on electronics, but I believe all electronical devices experience "issues" when they don't get enough power...
[18:04] <jelly1> when recording video
[18:05] <jelly1> so i will try a hub ;)
[18:05] <Lexip> no*
[18:05] <Lexip> And okey Armand, I'll let you off for now then!
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[18:37] <dreamreal> okay, reading the gpio pins is ... interesting, because I'm getting inconsistent data.
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[18:37] <dreamreal> with NO CIRCUIT ESTABLISHED (like, the wires not connected at all) I'm getting inconsistent values back.
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[18:41] <scummos> it is not very surprsing that in an average electronics circuit, open connections behave randomly
[18:41] <scummos> so connect them properly and they will stop behaving randomly ;P
[18:42] <dreamreal> scummos: well, maybe I'm missing something
[18:42] <dreamreal> but I have pins connected to a breadboard, but NO connection at all
[18:42] <scummos> and you're reading them as inputs, dreamreal?
[18:42] <dreamreal> and gpio is returning both 0 and 1 for reads
[18:42] <dreamreal> yes
[18:42] <dreamreal> gpio mode 2 in, gpio mode 3 in
[18:42] <scummos> yeah, as said, that doesn't in the least surprise me
[18:42] <scummos> connect them to GND then read them again
[18:43] <dreamreal> gpio read 2 = 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0
[18:43] <scummos> if you still get different values then something is wrong
[18:43] <scummos> yeah, not surprising ;P
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[18:43] <scummos> might depend on random electromagnetic waves in your room
[18:43] <dreamreal> okay, connecting it directly to GND does seem to correct the consistency issues
[18:43] <scummos> then everything is fine
[18:44] <dreamreal> okay. Well, the circuit I'm building is: wiringpi pin 2 (physical pin 13) to a pushbutton to ground
[18:44] <dreamreal> (simple detection of a circuit)
[18:45] <scummos> alright
[18:45] <scummos> then make sure your input pin is connected in any case to either GND or VDD
[18:46] <scummos> and never just open
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[18:46] <scummos> as I understand it, leaving it open will give you a very tiny capacitor, which will be filled and emptied based on electromagnetic waves around, air humidity, ...
[18:47] <scummos> and you'll measure the voltage of that condensator
[18:47] <scummos> basically
[18:48] <dreamreal> okay. Then I'm misunderstanding something fairly important. I was looking at gordon's ladder schematic (https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ladder_bb.jpg) as a check, and I can't get THAT to read consistently.
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[18:51] <scummos> I'm not much of an electronics expert, but did you try adding like a 10k resistor
[18:51] <dreamreal> no. But where would I put it?
[18:51] <bircoe> could that be a v1 vs v2 board issue? as in the v2 boards pinouts are different?
[18:52] <dreamreal> bircoe: I have a v1 rasp B, but the pins should be right
[18:52] * bircoe nods
[18:53] <scummos> dreamreal: if I get that right then the switch pulls the input pin to GND when pressed?
[18:53] <artag> don't you have to do something to the port to switch on the internal pullup ?
[18:54] <dreamreal> artag: sudo gpio mode 2 in
[18:54] <scummos> try connecting the pin to 3.3V over 10K
[18:55] <scummos> but yeah, the internal pullup sounds better ;P
[18:55] <bircoe> when you say you can't get it to read consistent is the switch bouncing?
[18:55] <bircoe> does the code include debounce functionality?
[18:55] <dreamreal> bircoe: what do you mean by "bouncing?"
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[18:55] <bircoe> rapidly changing state
[18:55] <artag> dreamreal: I think it also wants 'up'
[18:56] <dreamreal> artag: hmm
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[18:56] <dreamreal> do all of the pins have that?
[18:57] <bircoe> dreamreal, heres an Arduino tutorial on debouncing, same concept would apply to what ever code is running on the Pi
[18:57] <bircoe> http://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Debounce
[18:57] <scummos> bircoe: I'm not sure how the code works but if I'd written it then that wouldn't matter
[18:57] <artag> dunno, only just started playing with this stuff. gordonDrogon's the man
[18:57] <bircoe> "Without debouncing, pressing the button once can appear to the code as multiple presses."
[18:58] <artag> yeah, but that will die out in a few tens of ms
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[18:58] <scummos> yes
[18:58] <scummos> dreamreal: try the 10k resistor, and if that fixes it, you should read on the internal pullup thing
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[18:58] <bircoe> anyhow, it's 5am and time for me to go to work... yay.
[18:59] <scummos> lol
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[18:59] <dreamreal> bircoe: thanks, enjoy :)
[18:59] <scummos> is there a chart somewhere about what changed in the pin layout from rev 0 -> rev 1?
[19:01] <artag> https://projects.drogon.net/wiringpi-and-the-raspberry-pi-revision-2/
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[19:02] <scummos> artag: it does have two 5V pins now?
[19:03] <artag> yeah, think they have assigned some of the spares too
[19:03] <scummos> hm alright
[19:03] <scummos> more dangerous :D
[19:03] <artag> pins 2 & 4 are both 5V
[19:04] <artag> though they were in v1 apparently
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[19:05] <scummos> I'm very sure that my board has only one 5V pin
[19:05] <scummos> the upper one
[19:05] <artag> i'm just looking at the schematics
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[19:07] <artag> but having said that, my oldest board has them linked
[19:07] <scummos> hmm
[19:07] <scummos> okay
[19:08] <artag> that's one old enough to have usb fuses
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[19:08] <scummos> I even have a schematic here which shows that pin as DNC
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[19:09] <artag> i'm looking at the 17 april board schematic. it doesn't have anything marked DNC, but I think they did on some pinout diagrams
[19:10] <artag> there might be earlier schematics around too
[19:10] <scummos> ah yeah, the history of the wiki page says "show true connections of previously DNC pins"
[19:10] <scummos> http://elinux.org/images/archive/2/2a/20120928185221!GPIOs.png
[19:11] <artag> yeah, I understood they were connected but they didn't want to commit to it so they marked them DNC
[19:11] <scummos> oh
[19:11] <scummos> alright
[19:11] <scummos> well, good to know that that pin there is 5V ;P
[19:11] <scummos> so I'd better be more careful with it
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[19:19] <jelly1> hmm
[19:19] <jelly1> [video4linux2,v4l2 @ 0x1f915e0] mmap: Cannot allocate memory
[19:19] <jelly1> fun!
[19:19] <scummos> sounds like out of memory
[19:19] <jelly1> cannot
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[19:19] <jelly1> htop disagrees ;)
[19:20] <jelly1> 27/436MB used
[19:21] <scummos> valgrind it! ;p
[19:21] <jelly1> no
[19:21] <scummos> oh right there was that problem that there's no valgrind on armv6 :(
[19:23] <jelly1> scummos: i guess video capturing is hard O_o
[19:25] <scummos> jelly1: hm, what do you mean? ;P
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[19:33] <artag> I saw another comment about memory allocatin somewhere - isn't it related to requesting pci-dma memory or something ?
[19:33] <jelly1> hrrm
[19:33] <jelly1> well using ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -r 5 -t 30 -i /dev/video0 test.avi
[19:33] <artag> it's expecting a special class of memory that doesn't exist on a pi
[19:34] <jelly1> hrrm
[19:34] <artag> icbw
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[19:45] <dreamreal> I'm now wondering if it's these dadgum pushbuttons themselves - they won't seat in a solderless breadboard worth a flip.
[19:45] <jelly1> hmm can't find it on google
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[19:48] <dreamreal> and I think that's it. The skpang solderless breadboard doesn't hold the button at all, really; the radio shack one isn't much better but it's a LITTLE better.
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[19:48] <scummos> dreamreal: solder it on a real board ;P
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[19:49] <jelly1> i got it
[19:49] <scummos> the switch at least
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[19:49] <Gosy> which ftp server is more efficient for rbp?
[19:49] <jelly1> ftp isnt efficient
[19:49] <jelly1> :P
[19:49] <Gosy> :(
[19:49] <Gosy> why not
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[19:50] <biberao> yo raspberries
[19:50] <jelly1> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[19:50] <jelly1> use nfs/smb/scp
[19:51] <biberao> hey jelly
[19:51] <jelly1> ohai
[19:51] <Gosy> vpn then
[19:51] <jelly1> vpn?
[19:51] <Gosy> vpn gateway
[19:52] <jelly1> how does that help with filesharing :p
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[19:53] <biberao> jelly1: which distro are you using on the pi?
[19:53] <jelly1> archlinuxarm
[19:53] <Gosy> while i want to be able to reach my files..
[19:53] <biberao> ah i thought so
[19:53] <jelly1> Gosy: use ssh
[19:53] <Gosy> well*
[19:54] <biberao> jelly1: i wondered if you were running away from your nature
[19:54] <jelly1> oh lol
[19:54] <biberao> Gosy: you're using the pi for what
[19:54] <jelly1> i want a new gstreamer/ffmpeg
[19:54] <jelly1> / opencv
[19:54] <Gosy> biberao : yep
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[19:54] <jelly1> woop woop libv4l2: error allocating conversion buffer
[19:54] <biberao> Gosy: i meant for what
[19:55] <nid0> Gosy - if you want remote access to your files just use scp or ftp, if you want local network access use nfs
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[19:56] <Gosy> but isn't vpn also used to cloak your ip adress? like if the internet @ ur office blocks some webpages, i can just vpn to my homenetwork and access them?
[19:57] <jelly1> or proxy
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[19:57] <jelly1> Gosy: use a socks proxy
[19:57] <Gosy> whata hell is that
[19:57] <jelly1> google
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[19:59] <dreamreal> geez, finding decent parts to work with is a PAIN
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[20:01] <biberao> Gosy: use ssh
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[20:05] <Gosy> hmm seems advanced :|
[20:06] <scummos> ssh is the basic thing
[20:06] <scummos> for everything
[20:07] <Gosy> but how do i move files from
[20:07] <Gosy> ssh
[20:07] <Gosy> i mean
[20:07] <scummos> scp
[20:07] <Gosy> from my pi to my pc ?
[20:07] <scummos> scp :)
[20:07] <Gosy> kk
[20:07] <scummos> "man scp" will tell you everything :)
[20:08] <Gosy> oki then
[20:08] <Gosy> another problem
[20:08] <scummos> oh and does anyone else think it's quite hilarious that ssh has options called -1, -2, -3, -4, and -6 ? :D
[20:08] <Gosy> i got ddclient installed but can't make it run ..
[20:08] <scummos> *scp
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[20:11] <biberao> Gosy: damn piracy makes you go nuts :p
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[20:11] <Gosy> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9965856/linux.jpg
[20:12] <johang> linux!!!
[20:12] <scummos> ... so what? ;P
[20:12] <Gosy> my ddclient doesn't run ..
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[20:13] <Dagger2> Gosy: looks like you should set run_daemon=true in /etc/default/ddclient
[20:13] <anildigital> anybody know how can I airplay with wheezy?
[20:13] <biberao> Gosy: is your pi that far away from you?
[20:14] <anildigital> I want to run airplay service on my wheezy... halp
[20:16] <lee> anildigital: http://trouch.com/2012/08/03/airpi-airplay-audio-with-raspberry/ ?
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[20:23] <anildigital> lee: also after some time with no activity .. my screen goes black
[20:23] <anildigital> why?
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[20:25] <tehtrb> folks, can you help ?
[20:25] <tehtrb> alsamixer won't start
[20:25] <tehtrb> no such file or directory
[20:25] <scummos> probably some screenserver service turning it off
[20:25] <scummos> tehtrb: no such file or directory what?
[20:25] <tehtrb> tehtrb@phost ~ $ alsamixer
[20:25] <tehtrb> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[20:25] <tehtrb> already purged and reinstalled alsa-utils
[20:26] <tehtrb> snd-bcm is modprobed and in /etc/modules
[20:26] <scummos> you can strace it to see what file it searches for
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[20:26] <tehtrb> that's a lot of message
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[20:26] <tehtrb> whatever language that is
[20:26] <tehtrb> the output is longer than the backlog
[20:27] <anildigital> no video airplay on wheezy?
[20:27] <tehtrb> don't know, keyboard don't work
[20:27] <tehtrb> headless cli webradio
[20:27] <tehtrb> do not like mplayer
[20:27] <tehtrb> mocp has weird bug that uses 100% cpu
[20:27] <tehtrb> nvlc uses too many resources
[20:27] <tehtrb> mplayer worked before i left the house
[20:28] <tehtrb> i come back, process still playing but no sound
[20:28] <tehtrb> erm, *do not like mpd
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[20:29] <tehtrb> can't less the strace output
[20:29] <Gosy> [20:13] <+Dagger2> Gosy: looks like you should set run_daemon=true in /etc/default/ddclient
[20:29] <Gosy> that file is empty
[20:29] <Gosy> [20:13] <biberao> Gosy: is your pi that far away from you?
[20:29] <Gosy> no just sitting next to me
[20:29] <anildigital> Why OS do you guys use?
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[20:30] <Dagger2> Gosy: that's not a problem
[20:30] <jelly1> anildigital: the best..
[20:30] <Dagger2> well, it does mean you'll have to guess at the syntax... "run_daemon=true" was my guess at it
[20:30] <Gosy> Dagger2: should i just write that to that empty txt file?
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[20:31] <Gosy> wow
[20:31] <Gosy> that was easy..
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[20:34] <tehtrb> hmm, found smtn in user.log
[20:34] <tehtrb> Nov 5 11:56:42 phost pulseaudio[32347]: [alsa-sink] alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!
[20:34] <tehtrb> Nov 5 11:56:42 phost pulseaudio[32347]: [alsa-sink] alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_bcm2835'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
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[20:37] <Gosy> could anyone try to highlight me fast?
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[20:38] <rymate1234> Gosy,
[20:38] <rymate1234> hey
[20:38] <Gosy> thank you =)
[20:38] <rymate1234> Welcome :D
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[20:39] <lee> anildigital: it's the default screensaver
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[20:54] <anildigital> lee: :)
[20:54] <anildigital> lee: btw.. what is the best torrent downloader for raspberry pi?
[20:54] <anildigital> wheezy?
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> console or not?
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[21:01] <comradekingu> anildigital: transmission?
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[21:02] <anildigital> can it be controller by webpage
[21:02] <anildigital> or remotely
[21:02] <lee> anildigital: no idea, I don't do torrents
[21:02] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: console yes
[21:02] <ShiftPlusOne> rtorrent
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[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RTorrent#Web_interface
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[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd go with rtorrent and rutorrent for remote access. Or combine ssh with screen for remote.
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[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Ooh, wayland on pi... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTk77JRAKw
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[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> looks pretty damn good
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[21:10] <messenjah> indeed ShiftPlusOne
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[21:21] <Takyoji[laptop]> So, any efficient method of streaming audio on a RaspPi from an audio in source?
[21:22] <Takyoji[laptop]> I was trying with VLC, and apparently there was 100% processor utilization
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[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd try pulseaudio
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[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on what you're doing exactly
[21:22] <Takyoji[laptop]> But this is for public streaming
[21:22] <Takyoji[laptop]> I've done PulseAudio networking before, yes
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[21:23] <Takyoji[laptop]> I assume the Raspbian/Debian repositories don't have a recent version of VLC nor ffmpeg to have Opus support yet?
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, no idea then.
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[21:25] <Takyoji[laptop]> Isn't there some onboard implementation of a MP3 or Ogg stream encoder or anything?
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[21:27] <crippa> hi. I'm running arch on my raspberry, and I wonder how I could play mp3s or even divx (if possible) from ssh.
[21:27] <crippa> meaning I choose what to play from shh and I hear it from the raspberry
[21:27] <crippa> or see it on the screen
[21:27] <crippa> attached to it
[21:28] <scummos> you can for example use sshfs
[21:28] <scummos> to mount a network device and then just use your media player of choice
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[21:28] <scummos> ah no wait, you want to control it remotely too
[21:28] <crippa> yep..
[21:28] <scummos> yeah then you can just play it
[21:29] <crippa> how?
[21:29] <scummos> with a CLI player that's trivial
[21:29] <scummos> e.g. cvlc <file>
[21:29] <scummos> if you want to open the player UI on the pi... uh...
[21:29] <scummos> not sure
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[21:29] <crippa> I'm currently using mpg123
[21:29] <crippa> and I have no gui on the pi
[21:30] <Takyoji[laptop]> Or you can have the Raspberry Pi as a PulseAudio sink. So that it would essentially play whatever is streamed to it (which is somewhat simple to get working on a Linux desktop setup)
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[21:32] <crippa> Takyoji[laptop]: this sound interesting
[21:32] <crippa> will it work only with mp3s, or also with videos?
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[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> audio only
[21:33] <heraclitus_> what the hell is going on, my posts in raspberry pi forum are not published
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that will also take care of decoding on the main pc, so it won't waste too much cpu.
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[21:33] <crippa> oh no...
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[21:34] <crippa> Isn't there anything like working as a media player, say like xbmc, but having a packet manager for installing programs?
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't tried it, but there is raspbmc or something like that
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> which I think is debian based
[21:34] <crippa> with package manager?
[21:35] <crippa> ok cool...
[21:35] <heraclitus_> someone wrote tiny basic one interpreter for raspberry pi, now i am not allowed to say that i wrote a tiny basic interpreter http://freecode.com/projects/tinybc a year before
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[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, says who?
[21:36] <heraclitus_> i don't want to develop any more, this looks like tyranny and not development
[21:36] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, i the author of that interpreter
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> you are telling yourself you can't say you wrote a tiny basic interpreter?
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I am asking why you can't say that? what's the problem?
[21:38] <heraclitus_> i say i cannot write about my interpreter in raspberry pi forum, my posts are not published
[21:38] <Gosy> where does my downloaded stuff go to in the RBP? i mean, is there a pre-defined download folder?
[21:39] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, i post in raspberry pi forum and my posts never appear
[21:39] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, are you sure your interpreter has anything to do with it? Have you been abusive to anyone or perhaps there is just a technical problem?
[21:40] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, i have never written anything in raspberry pi forums so no way i could been abusive
[21:40] <Gosy> Anyone :)?
[21:40] <heraclitus_> ok, i don't care what you say any more
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> so how could your interpreter have anything to do with it? It's not like they would've pre-screened you to make sure you don't talk about it... that's just silly.
[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, check for ~/Downloads or soemthing like that
[21:41] <Gosy> Hmm thanks
[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> (~/ being your home folder)
[21:41] <Gosy> -bash: cd: /home/pi/Downloads: No such file or directory
[21:41] <heraclitus_> my Tiny BASIC interpreter is this http://freecode.com/projects/tinybc , lgpl license you are welcome to use it
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[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, what do you have in your home folder, can you ls it?
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> it should be there somewhere
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> and what did you download with?
[21:43] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, because someone else wrote a very similar interpreter a year after...
[21:43] <Gosy> wget
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, then it's in the folder you were in when you ran wget
[21:43] <Gosy> pi@gosyPI /home $ ls
[21:43] <Gosy> pi
[21:43] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, now is touting it in raspberry pi forum, and my posts don't appear
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[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Any forum users on here? Do the posts require moderator approval or something?
[21:44] <Gosy> ShiftPlusOne: i can't remember which folder i was in.. isn't there any search function to find it?
[21:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, yeah, 'find' but make sure you know how to use it
[21:45] <Gosy> hmm, total noobie at it. Care to help me out abit :)?
[21:45] <linuxstb> ShiftPlusOne: If you're talking about raspberrypi.org, then yes, I recall my first few posts were moderated.
[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, ^
[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, your interpreter has nothing to do with it, I guess new users (under a certain number of posts) are prescreened to keep the bots away.
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> linuxstb, thanks
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, sure, can you just "ls ~/" first?
[21:46] <Gosy> ShiftPlusOne; found it. Whats the command to move a file to another destination
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> mv
[21:46] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, is there any general place to recommend software for raspberry pi?
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, maybe there is a page on elinus for it, I am not sure. A forum post would be approporiate as well.
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> *elinux
[21:47] <McSalty> Does any one know if it is possible to disable the hdmi port of a pi? I would like to do this to reduce power since i'm not using it anyway. Are their power states which can be adjusted?
[21:48] <Gosy> Length: 5008246 (4.8M) [application/octet-stream]
[21:48] <Gosy> Saving to: `download'
[21:48] <Gosy> how do i locate that folder.. lol
[21:48] <Gosy> whata hell..
[21:48] <linuxstb> McSalty: "tvservice --help"
[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, I think 'download' is the file name it saved as
[21:49] <linuxstb> McSalty: I'm guessing tvservice -o may do what you want.
[21:49] <Gosy> ShiftPlusOne: that's odd.
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, http://elinux.org/Rpi_Software
[21:49] <Gosy> i downloaded a .tar.bz2 file
[21:49] <Gosy> but it saved it as "download"?
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> what was the url?
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[21:50] <McSalty> linuxstb: wonderful, thanks. going to try it right now
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> it might have been redirected a few times
[21:50] <Gosy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/files/Mumble/1.2.3/murmur-static_x86-1.2.3.tar.bz2/download
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, yeah that's not a direct link to the file... it redirects. As you can see that ends in 'download' rather than the filename.
[21:51] <Gosy> ahh man..
[21:51] <Gosy> so i should remove the
[21:51] <Dagger2> Gosy: use --content-disposition
[21:51] <Gosy> ~/download from the link
[21:51] <ShiftPlusOne> You can "mv download murmur-static_x86-1.2.3.tar.bz2" to rename it
[21:51] <Gosy> Dagger2: how do i do that??
[21:51] <Dagger2> the filename in this case is given in the Content-Disposition header, which wget doesn't enable by default because it's stupid :/
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, are you familiar with the 'man' command?
[21:52] <McSalty> linuxstb: it works, tvservice -o did the job. thanks again
[21:52] <Dagger2> `wget --content-disposition http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/files/Mumble/1.2.3/murmur-static_x86-1.2.3.tar.bz2/download`
[21:52] <Gosy> sweet
[21:52] <Gosy> ShiftPlusOne: no , i am not :(
[21:52] <linuxstb> McSalty: Great.
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Gosy, well, whenever you're not sure about what a command does or what options it has, you can run man. For example, "man wget" will tell you all about wget.
[21:53] <Gosy> worked like a charm Dagger2!
[21:53] <Dagger2> and you can put "content_disposition = on" in ~/.wgetrc to turn it on by default, as far as I can make out from the manpage
[21:53] <Gosy> ahh nice!
[21:53] <Gosy> sweet, hold on a min Dagger2, lemme see if i can manage that
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[21:54] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, ukskone installed my interpreter for raspberry pi already a year ago, there is a forum post about it, but all seem to forgot it... i think i'm tired, and will not try any more... i had a point, my interpreter is fully standard, using only curses, while this interpreter uses a strange completely non-standard graphics... for game programming i think it's better to use pygame...
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[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, ah yeah, I remember him testing it.
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> heraclitus_, it might just be the case that BASIC isn't all that in demand and the few people who do want to try it out on pi will use the first thing they hear about, which it probably the other one. I would add it here http://elinux.org/RPi_Programming under "Tested on RPi"
[21:59] <ShiftPlusOne> which will probably be the first point of reference for people researching this sort of thing.
[21:59] <ShiftPlusOne> but if you don't care, then it doesn't matter anyway.
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[22:02] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, i can write whatever interpreter, but i thought through every element of it, whenever i thought to change something, i found that it is not reasonable to change anything... this was like intended for the very beginners as the most simple possible programming language...
[22:02] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, ok thanks
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> yw, good luck
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[22:22] <heraclitus_> ShiftPlusOne, what i think, only the most minimal, and then python, this is what i think...
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[22:23] <jelly1> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2012-November/006133.html lolz
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[22:27] <heraclitus_> the most minimal because, the beginner would not get a grip of a computer, when learning python at once...
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[22:35] <scummos> I'd even recommend to get started with python
[22:36] <scummos> and as soon as you wrote a few small things you should do a bit of C to understand stuff
[22:36] <scummos> and then you can go back to python :D
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[22:36] <rymate1234> I prefer Java
[22:36] <scummos> but getting started with python is so much easier than getting started with C
[22:36] <scummos> C gives you neither :D
[22:36] <scummos> er java
[22:36] <rymate1234> :(
[22:36] <scummos> ;D
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[22:36] <rymate1234> any tips for learning python then? :D
[22:37] <scummos> rymate1234: type pseudocode and see it working magically :)
[22:37] <rymate1234> lol
[22:37] <chaoshax> C is easy.
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[22:37] <scummos> C is not easy
[22:37] <rymate1234> if this_sucks:
[22:37] <rymate1234> exit()
[22:37] <scummos> yes
[22:37] <scummos> like that
[22:37] <rymate1234> :o
[22:38] <scummos> rymate1234: no seriously, read the tutorial at python.org and then just start writing whatever you want -- the rest you'll learn automatically then
[22:38] <rymate1234> will do at the weekend :D
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[22:56] <Gosy> how do i unpack a .bz2 file?
[22:57] <[SLB]> tar xjf file.bz2
[22:57] <[SLB]> or bunzip2
[22:58] <x29a> Gosy: http://www.brunolinux.com/03-Installing_Software/Tar_Unpacking_Packages.html
[22:58] <Gosy> ah sweet!
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[22:59] * Gosy kisses x29a
[22:59] <scummos> Gosy: most archives in linux are .tar archives, but since tar does not have compression, they're additionaly compressed with gzip, bzip, or lzma. however tar supports unpacking compressed archives, so you can unpack almost everything with tar xf <file>
[22:59] <scummos> except if it's zip, then you can use "unzip <file>"
[22:59] <scummos> but that's somewhat uncommon
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[23:02] <Gosy> what does " ./murmur.x86: cannot execute binary file" stand for?
[23:02] <Gosy> Thanks scummos!
[23:02] <jelly1> Gosy: you download a 64 bit version, not arm
[23:02] <jelly1> congrats
[23:02] <Gosy> gg
[23:02] <Gosy> now i have to remove everything i guess
[23:03] <scummos> ;D
[23:03] <jelly1> Gosy: doesnt your distro ship murmur..
[23:03] <Gosy> how do you mean
[23:03] <jelly1> Gosy: what are you using
[23:03] <scummos> Gosy: you usually do not download archives from the internet manually if you want to install software in linux
[23:03] <scummos> Gosy: you just tell your package manager to install it for you
[23:03] <Gosy> scummos : where can i find a proper mumble server version
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[23:04] <scummos> i don't know but I suggest you search the package repository of your distribution
[23:04] <jelly1> >_>
[23:04] <Gosy> should i start the GUI for that or ?
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[23:05] <Gosy> and how can i remove a whole folder?
[23:06] <jelly1> Gosy: you should start reading a wiki/howto/book
[23:06] <Gosy> Indeed :)
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[23:07] <akk> Any xchat users? How do you get it to autojoin with this channel if it takes a while to authenticate with nickserv?
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[23:07] <akk> (This channel is the only one I have trouble with.)
[23:07] <tos9> akk: I'm not one, but put your nick in the server password.
[23:07] <tos9> Or use SASL if xchat has that.
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> setup chat connect passwords
[23:07] <[SLB]> akk /set irc_join_delay 10
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> xchat
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[23:09] <akk> [SLB]: Will xchat remember that if I type it in this session?
[23:09] <[SLB]> yes
[23:09] <akk> Thanks, will try that. (And maybe try the nick as the server passwd too, as tos9 said ... it'll really accept that?)
[23:10] <[SLB]> yw
[23:10] <tos9> akk: Yes. The password for the nick of course. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify
[23:10] <Gosy> scummos : how can i search my "raspberry" repo for the stuff i want?
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[23:11] <akk> tos9: That's better than putting the same password under nickserv passwd? That's where I have it now.
[23:11] <tos9> akk: It means that by the time you connect you're identified.
[23:14] <Gosy> anyone ?
[23:16] <akk> Gosy: You mean searching for packages you can install on raspbian or whatever distro?
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[23:25] <maicod> hi
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[23:28] <scummos> Gosy: apt-cache search <word>
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[23:31] * maicod forgot the url to the raspberry ansi-art (raspberry for your etc/motd) :(
[23:34] <maicod> all Pies r in the fridge it seems :)
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[23:39] <NullMoogleCable> Kernel Drivers Compiled to Javascript and Run in Browser
[23:39] <NullMoogleCable> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/pooka/rump.js/
[23:39] <scummos> oh that javascript stuff...
[23:39] <scummos> it's very funny but sooo useless :D
[23:40] <NullMoogleCable> im trying to figure out what the heck they are saying lol
[23:40] <NullMoogleCable> https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/kernel_drivers_compiled_to_javascript
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[23:44] <heraclitus_> scummos, it is easy for these who know c, to read the python manual, and then start the programming... but the beginner thinks, i am a complete idiot, i don't know anything... takes time when one learns to print out something, but to make something to move on screen with python, this needs quite a learning...
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[23:44] * maicod is running a script (remotely) rebooting my Pi to see if it still corrupts the filesystem every now and then
[23:45] <scummos> heraclitus_: sure. but getting something useful, say, a program that calculates prime numbers, is so much easier for a beginner to do with python than with C
[23:45] <scummos> heraclitus_: you don't need a compiler, you don't need a debugger, you don't get strange segfaults, ...
[23:45] <akk> Making something move on screen is not just learning the language (Python, C, whatever) but also learning a stack of graphics libraries.
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[23:46] <akk> OTOH most libraries have a simpler API in Python than in C.
[23:46] <heraclitus_> scummos, sure, i'm talking about the most minimal language which is much easier then python
[23:48] <scummos> akk: yes that's true, programming Qt in C++/python is mainly just "do I need to use semicolons or not"
[23:48] <scummos> heraclitus_: what do you mean by the most minimal language?
[23:49] <NullMoogleCable> hmm
[23:49] <NullMoogleCable> is it possible to write an entire os in java that can run on the pi?
[23:50] <scummos> doesn't java always need that VM stuff
[23:50] <akk> Why would you want to use Java on a slow low-resource machine?
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[23:51] <scummos> s/ on a slow low-resource machine//g
[23:51] <akk> heh, agreed, scummos
[23:51] <NullMoogleCable> well it does have java optimizations
[23:51] <scummos> yes but it's still slower than c++
[23:53] <scummos> akk: I just noticed that I totally misread your sentence about APIs, I read "similar" instead of "simpler"
[23:53] <scummos> but it's true, *if* a library has a dedicated python API, it's usually much easier to use than the C counterpart
[23:54] <akk> Yes, they are both similar and simpler.
[23:54] <scummos> unfortunately, many libraries are available in python only through thin wrappers which makes them quite C-like
[23:54] <heraclitus_> scummos, basically, go there, print that, wait a key to be pressed...
[23:54] <scummos> heraclitus_: okay, and which language would that be?
[23:54] <heraclitus_> scummos, tiny basic...
[23:54] <scummos> heraclitus_: okay, but python has the advantage that you can actually do serious stuff with it. :)
[23:55] <akk> And sometimes the Python APIs are missing important things that are there in the C API (like driving PWM on the Pi).
[23:55] <scummos> so you don't use your time to learn a language which nobody uses in reality
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[23:55] <scummos> akk: yeah :( but that'd be easy to add
[23:55] <scummos> if you really wanted it you could just implement it, would probably take you half an hour
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[23:56] <heraclitus_> scummos, yes but, tiny basic is so simple that one can just forget it when starting to use python, not much learned would be lost...
[23:56] <akk> scummos: But alas it's a lot harder to distribute code that also requires people build your new C-based python library from scratch.
[23:56] <scummos> (I'll just leave this claim here and it's up to everybody to conclude that it's probably hilariously wrong and it'll take two days in reality)
[23:56] <akk> I'm still looking forward to when more standard libraries include it.
[23:57] <akk> It's probably somewhere in between those two estimates. But you still end up with a nonstandard library.
[23:57] <scummos> heraclitus_: yeah you're probably right. but I personally feel better if what I learn isn't for purely academic puposes :)
[23:57] <akk> Maybe half an hour if you already have a lot of experience building python modules in C.
[23:57] <scummos> akk: oh, you can just submit it to upstream. If you did it right there's no reason why they wouldn't add it to the official release.
[23:58] <scummos> at least I'd hope that'd be the case :)
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[23:58] <akk> Depends on the project. Some welcome outside code, some don't.
[23:58] <akk> I have no personal experience (yet) with any of the projects creating python APIs for the pi.
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[23:59] <scummos> in my opinion any project maintainers that don't accept patches from outside just because they come from outside are dumbasses :)
[23:59] <akk> WiringPi looks pretty happy to take outside code contributions.

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