#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-09

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[0:00] <akk> At least, I think most of the language wrappers so far have been contributed.
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[0:00] <heraclitus_> scummos, this is not academic purposes... one quickly gets a grip of the computer... press a key and a thing on screen moves somewhere, no problem at all...
[0:01] <akk> heraclitus_: It maybe depends on who you are and how you learn. For teaching kids programming, it's great to have a minimal language even if it's not used anywhere else.
[0:01] <scummos> heraclitus_: yeah right, but for some reason I feel bad when I learn something that I know I won't be using later :)
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[0:01] <akk> OTOH at least some adults might learn better by trying to jump in to real-world projects, which would point to using a real-world language.
[0:02] <akk> And teens too -- when I was a teen learning programming I learned a lot faster when I was thrown into projects where I had a real goal to accomplish that would be useful to someone else.
[0:04] <heraclitus_> akk, yes this is what i think... so if you want to see one such, check out this... http://freecode.com/projects/tinybc
[0:04] <scummos> akk: yes, same for me. I learn something new iff I have a goal I really want to reach and I need to learn it for that
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[0:07] <heraclitus_> akk, minimal but also very standard, looks like a basic interpreter on some very old microcomputer...
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[0:09] <heraclitus_> which it is that is, implements tom pittman's tiny basic exactly...
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[0:11] <akk> heraclitus_: Maybe so, but you won't find a lot of other interesting projects using BASIC these days.
[0:12] <heraclitus_> akk, sure but, the absolute beginners don't participate in any projects...
[0:13] <akk> heraclitus_: That's why I made the comments earlier about what motivates you.
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[0:14] <akk> If you're happy working in a vacuum on your own little projects, no mixing with code from real projects and also no googling for sample code, then you're fine.
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[0:14] <akk> One big advantage of popular languages/libraries is that when you get stuck, you can google for examples.
[0:15] <heraclitus_> akk, there is sample code, some old basic games run directly, some can be easily ported...
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[0:16] <akk> Actually I missed the beginning of this so I'm not really sure what the point of this argument is.
[0:16] <akk> If it's just whether you should use tiny basic, well, obviously you're happy with it, so go for it!
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[0:16] <sanchaz> Hi
[0:16] <akk> If it's whether most people would recommend everybody start with it, then, well, no, probably not.
[0:17] <sanchaz> Will I notice a difference from a 8GB class 10 SD card to a 32GB class 4? will it become too slow?
[0:17] <rigid> BASIC is a great way to get hooked to computer programming :)
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[0:17] <biberao> hi
[0:17] <heraclitus_> akk, i wrote this tiny basic interpreter http://freecode.com/projects/tinybc
[0:17] <akk> I started with basic myself. But that was a long, long time ago; I wouldn't, today.
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[0:18] <rigid> heraclitus_: nice
[0:18] <heraclitus_> thx :)
[0:18] <rigid> akk: those times were better in terms of software developing... more time to develop, less pressure
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[0:19] <rigid> ...less features, less bugs :)
[0:19] <Lachezar> Hey all. Newbie here, please show some leniency.
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[0:19] <akk> Fewer libraries you need to master! OTOH they weren't as good for people learning programming, with all the cheap hardware and open source languages available now.
[0:19] <akk> And google. :)
[0:20] <heraclitus_> akk, this is the most minimal programming language there can be, yet it is interactive, beginners like things moving around on screen..
[0:21] <Lachezar> Are there any points (pins) connected to the Ethernet port, USB Ports and HDMI port?
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[0:22] <Muzer> is it possible to dual-boot the Raspi?
[0:22] <Lachezar> I am wondering if I can put these on a flat cable.
[0:22] <Muzer> for instance, Linux and RISC OS on the same SD
[0:22] <Muzer> (ie "real" dual-booting rather than just the same kernel with different roots)
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[0:25] <akk> Muzer: A little discussion here but it looks inconclusive: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=16703
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[0:26] <Muzer> (there are no other OSes ported yet, are there? ;))
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[0:26] <akk> This might be a better discussion: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13476
[0:26] <akk> (I'm googling "raspberry pi" dual-boot bootloader, and there are more hits that might be worth exploring)
[0:26] <Muzer> oh, that was pre-raspi :P
[0:26] <Muzer> ec
[0:26] <Muzer> *er
[0:26] <Muzer> not pre-raspi
[0:27] <Muzer> pre-open-source
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[0:28] <biberao> guys
[0:28] <biberao> any of you watched the movie step up revolution?
[0:29] <Muzer> I've seen revolution OS :P
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[0:29] <biberao> :p
[0:29] <biberao> i just saw something and i was wondering if that was physical possible or if it was visual effects
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[0:30] <biberao> maybe if i record a video
[0:30] <biberao> and show it right
[0:30] <Muzer> hmm, so u-boot does exist for Raspi
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[0:31] <Muzer> yeah, I currently have no internet connection on my Raspi (the stupid NIC I ordered of Amazon doesn't seem to work; gonna order a different one and see if that works before moaning).
[0:31] <Muzer> (I say that because it might just be me :P)
[0:34] <maicod> NIC ?
[0:34] <maicod> network card ?
[0:34] <maicod> you mean wifi dongle huh
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[0:38] <Muzer> maicod: nah, for my desktop
[0:38] <Muzer> an extra ethernet port
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[0:38] <Muzer> so I can use it as a repeater for my random devices that don't have wifi :p
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[0:39] <Muzer> (I'm in university halls)
[0:39] <maicod> oh hehe
[0:39] * maicod already thought NIC with Pi sounds weird
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[0:50] <Muzer> yeah
[0:50] <Muzer> just thinking about it, I'd essentially have to:
[0:51] <Muzer> * Get uboot to give me a menu (dunno if it's already supposed to do that or not, or how hard it would be, depending on whether it actually has video at that stage)
[0:52] <Muzer> * Get one of the OSes (probably Linux would be easiest) to boot off a partition other than the one it normally does
[0:52] <Muzer> hmm. Sounds to me like uboot works with scripts, I wonder if it accepts input.
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[0:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Who's talking about dual-booting? I've been able to dualboot, but by making a custom kernel and initramfs which would present a menu and then use pivot_root to boot from where it needs to. Another option is kexec and that is the easier option which works, but has a major flaw (no hardware acceleration for anything).
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[1:00] <Muzer> ShiftPlusOne: I'm talking about Linux + RISC OS ;)
[1:00] <Muzer> so the first is not possible, and the second probably isn't either
[1:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, both are possible
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[1:01] <Muzer> er, sorry? You can't boot RISC OS with a Linux kernel
[1:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't mean using my method... I am just saying it's possible overall
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[1:02] <Muzer> oh, right
[1:02] <Muzer> thought you meant both as in both methods :P
[1:02] <Muzer> yeah. I can't find how to get user input in a uboot script
[1:03] <ShiftPlusOne> if someone who knows how bootloaders work in detail and has the time and desire to work on it gets involved\
[1:03] <Muzer> still possible with uboot but it would basically be it boots one OS unless you press space and type the commands to boot RISC OS AFAIK :P
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[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> but other than that uboot works fine on pi?
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[1:08] <Muzer> ShiftPlusOne: no clue, haven't tried it
[1:08] <Muzer> but someone has a distribution of it
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[1:08] <Muzer> and they didn't mention any caveats
[1:08] <Muzer> so I would assume so
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[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> make sure you check if all of the hadware acceleration works (opengl es and all that)
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[1:21] <Muzer> wtf what madness is this
[1:21] <Muzer> I think the risc os binary has some terrifying wizardry
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[1:22] <Muzer> (binary being SD image)
[1:22] <Muzer> because parted detects it as having an msdos partition table with a fat first partition and a second partition of garbage
[1:23] <Muzer> I then asked my current Linux kernel, it told me that the partition table was an Acorn one with a single ADFS partition (which mounts fine)
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[1:24] <Muzer> to paraphrase Douglas Adams, "I can't help noticing that you have parked your partition table... through mine."
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[1:25] <pasky> Hi! To attach a button to GPIO without risking ESD damage, is an external pullup necessary?
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[1:26] <Vanfanel> Muzer: I also noticed how difficult seems for poor old fdisk to handle the Risc OS partition on the SD. It's "unknown" to him :D
[1:27] <Muzer> but yeah, further to the parted thing, the first FAT partition is valid
[1:27] <Muzer> and I can mount it
[1:27] <Muzer> it seems to be some wizardry to get the raspberry pi to be able to mount the fat partition to run the bootloader
[1:27] <Muzer> without having to implement MSDOS partition tables in RISC OS kernel :P
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[1:28] <Muzer> (I have to mount the FAT partition as an offset of course using the value that parted gives me, as the Acorn partition table doesn't list it at all)
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Muzer, not quite.
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Muzer, the kernel doesn't need to worry about the fat partition at all
[1:29] <Muzer> of course.
[1:29] <Muzer> *of course not
[1:29] <Muzer> but since all the bootloader stuff is in a fat partition, surely there must be something to mount the fat partition
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[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Muzer, yeah, but that's all done by the gpu way before the kernel is even loaded
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[1:31] <Muzer> ShiftPlusOne: indeed. But that's what I'm saying, that can only read MSDOS partition tables, and the RISC OS kernel can only read Acorn partition tables
[1:31] <Muzer> (for the root partition at least)
[1:32] <ShiftPlusOne> oh >_< you're talking about the partition table rather than the partition itself, I see.
[1:32] <Muzer> so it seems to me they've somehow combined two partition tables on one device, which I suppose makes sense if one does it at the start and one does it at the end (which I believe might actually be the case)
[1:32] <Muzer> yeah. Allow me to demonstrate with a pastebin.
[1:32] <Muzer> (in a minute)
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[1:36] <Muzer> er, or not :P
[1:36] <Muzer> it's not doing it now :P
[1:37] <Muzer> the kernel's obviously decided it's had enough Acorns for one day
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[2:01] <NullMoogleCable> hi
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[2:38] <rikkib> Took a while to find this bug.
[2:38] <rikkib> RCC_APB2PeriphClockCmd( RCC_APB1Periph_USART2 | RCC_APB2Periph_GPIOA, ENABLE );
[2:39] <sanchaz> Will I notice a difference from a 8GB class 10 SD card to a 32GB class 4? will it become too slow?
[2:39] <rikkib> yes for disk access
[2:40] <SpeedEvil> it's unclear
[2:40] <SpeedEvil> random access speeds may not correlate strongly with sequential
[2:40] <axion> also depends on the the size of the files written
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[2:41] <axion> class 10 can be slower than class 4 for small files
[2:41] <sanchaz> reading large media files
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[2:41] <axion> large is relative
[2:41] <rikkib> The difference is noticeable
[2:41] <sanchaz> 5gb up
[2:42] <sanchaz> ok thanks I thought it would make a difference
[2:42] <rikkib> I have 2gb c4 and 8 & 16gb c10
[2:43] <axion> i would use class 4 for anything hosuign a linux rootfs
[2:43] <axion> housing rather
[2:43] <sanchaz> I have an 8gb c10 but there's this promotion for a 32gb c4 and c10 but the c4 is half the price of the c10 hence the question
[2:43] <sanchaz> axion why?
[2:45] <axion> class 10 means speed for large continuously written files
[2:45] <axion> and slower for other uses
[2:45] <axion> block size
[2:45] <axion> and hardware architechutre
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[2:46] <sanchaz> I see
[2:46] <sanchaz> ok thanks
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[2:48] <rikkib> RCC_APB1PeriphClockCmd( RCC_APB1Periph_USART2, ENABLE ); //Correct code
[2:49] <axion> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4076
[2:50] <axion> higher class generally means optimized more for sequential reads/writes, rather than random accesses
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[2:54] <DeliriumTremens> anyone having issues with wifi on the pi dropping ridiculous numbers of packets?
[2:54] <axion> take it out of that lead case
[2:54] <axion> (nope)
[2:55] <DeliriumTremens> 1) the case is plastic 2) the dongle is outside of the case 3) jerk ;_;
[2:55] <chithead> the rpi has a particularly poor usb implementation
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[2:57] <axion> i would say driver or it is using too much power under load. have you tried a power hub?
[2:57] <DeliriumTremens> RX packets:1509627 errors:0 dropped:1515396 overruns:0 frame:0
[2:57] <DeliriumTremens> i don't wanna use a power hub
[2:57] <DeliriumTremens> dag nabbit
[2:57] <axion> i didnt say to use one
[2:57] <DeliriumTremens> i just set up a repeater, i may just hardwire to that
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[2:58] <DMackey> Anyone tried that RISC OS on the RPi yet? http://hackaday.com/2012/11/08/raspberry-pi-gets-risc-os-can-now-play-elite/
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[3:18] <rikkib> Yes
[3:18] <rikkib> It works
[3:18] <rikkib> Not many apps for it
[3:19] <rikkib> and it still has to run an emulator to run old apps (not 32 bit addressing)
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[3:42] <rikkib> Ahha... I have a login prompt displayed on my stm32v touch screen. Can't do anything with it yet.
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[3:58] * maicod 's pi says hello :)
[3:58] <rikkib> Hi
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[4:01] <maicod> hi rikkib
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[4:05] * maicod wonders if there exist metal cases for the Pi that act as a faraday cage.
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[4:06] <maicod> I'm suspecting my wi-fi dongle is interfering with the Pi's operation
[4:09] <rikkib> 48KRAM to play with on my stm32v... I need to allocate some more to a bigger buffer to handle the boot bust from the serial console.
[4:11] <rikkib> I get the start and end but in the middle I see lots of [, numbers and little else
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[4:15] <rikkib> Trying with 2K buffer
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[4:16] <rikkib> I wonder how many RPi reboots I have to do to work this out...
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[4:17] <maicod> heh
[4:21] <rikkib> Hmmm... See lots more with 2k buffer but FreeRTOS and message queues in not the way to make things go.
[4:21] <rikkib> is not
[4:22] * maicod doesn't know what you're talking about but it appears stm32v is a display
[4:23] <rikkib> I have connected my stm32v board to my RPi serial port if you are wondering... Working on the STM32V software.
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[4:25] <maicod> oh its more than a display
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[4:26] <rikkib> SBC
[4:26] <maicod> single board computer /
[4:26] <maicod> ?
[4:27] <rikkib> Anyway... Just a hack to start the ball rolling. Now I have to create a new project aligned to what I am trying to do.
[4:27] <rikkib> sbc yep single board comp
[4:27] <maicod> but the Pi is one isnt it ?
[4:27] <maicod> so you connected 2 SBC's then:)
[4:28] <rikkib> Yep
[4:28] <maicod> heh
[4:28] <rikkib> one has a display and not net the other not display and net
[4:28] <rikkib> no net
[4:28] <maicod> I see
[4:29] <rikkib> I use FreeRTOS on the stm32v.
[4:29] <maicod> is the cpu more powerful of the stm32v ?
[4:29] <rikkib> No
[4:29] <maicod> is that linux distro?
[4:29] <rikkib> 72Mhz
[4:29] <maicod> oh :)
[4:29] <maicod> slow :)
[4:29] <rikkib> bus speeds of 32Mhz
[4:29] <maicod> heh
[4:29] <rikkib> 36
[4:30] * maicod is sick of his Pi :(
[4:30] <maicod> it keeps corrupting the SDcard
[4:30] <maicod> i've tried multiple cards
[4:30] <rikkib> Raspbian?
[4:30] <maicod> its not a simple thing to solve
[4:30] <maicod> yeah
[4:30] <maicod> it corrupts after a reboot
[4:31] <invalidopcode> maicod: normal reboots or pull-the-power reboots?
[4:31] <maicod> reboot commands
[4:31] <rikkib> I had a card corrupt but thing it was not the RPi
[4:31] <maicod> I run a script through putty
[4:31] <rikkib> think
[4:32] <maicod> it keeps rebooting the Pi to see if its safe to use . it fails before rebooting 20x so I can't trust my data on it :(
[4:32] <Amadiro> rikkib, bus speed? I thought that's a cortex-M, and doesn't have an external bus at all
[4:33] <invalidopcode> maicod: hm.... that's odd.
[4:33] <invalidopcode> maybe it isn't syncing properly before it shuts down
[4:33] <Amadiro> hm, looks like it has an AHB
[4:33] <maicod> invalidopcode: it is. see http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=19816&sid=4daa21fafcd791fc011afb1e2d0c1b39&p=208946#p208946
[4:33] <rikkib> internal bus speed
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[4:33] <maicod> invalidopcode: what do you mean with syncing ?
[4:34] <rikkib> ie. Fast spi is around 36Mhz
[4:35] <invalidopcode> maicod: well, Linux writes all the data from the device buffer to the device when it shuts down. I've worked on projects before where the system reset before all the data had been writtne
[4:35] <invalidopcode> *written
[4:35] <maicod> invalidopcode: this process sounds as a very good candidate for my troubles
[4:36] <maicod> can I make it wait longer before it reboots ?
[4:36] <maicod> or flush the device buffer yet again before rebooting
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[4:38] <invalidopcode> maicod: I don't know of a command off the top of my head, but I bet there is a command to flush the buffer
[4:38] <maicod> ok i'll google
[4:38] <axion> 'sync'
[4:38] <axion> its a command :)
[4:39] <invalidopcode> thanks axion :)
[4:39] <maicod> thanks
[4:39] <maicod> will need to restore my backup YET AGAIN before trying that
[4:43] <maicod> invalidopcode: the first file e2fsck is trying to repair is /usr/share/man/man8/cifs.idmap.8.gz that doesn't seem like a file being written to disk when shutting down
[4:44] <invalidopcode> hm... I could very well be wrong. Not syncing was just the first thing that came to mind :)
[4:44] <maicod> hehe well most say things like 'power supply' so I appreciate you didn't choose the easy way :)
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[4:47] <invalidopcode> ah haha well your welcome
[4:47] <maicod> ta
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[7:45] <Prinler> Anyone have any experience with dvb-t usb devices and the pi?
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[8:46] <HashNuke> hey guys
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[8:47] <[deXter]> Hi
[8:49] <HashNuke> I got a VGA to RCA cable. Like this - http://www.ebay.in/itm/VGA-male-3-RCA-male-Component-video-audio-cable-shielded-/271098279572#ht_1651wt_923 Can I get this working with the raspberry pi?
[8:49] <[deXter]> yeah
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[8:50] <[deXter]> wait
[8:50] <[deXter]> no
[8:50] <HashNuke> Oh.
[8:50] <[deXter]> that's a VGA to component video
[8:50] <SpeedEvil> not without a HDMI to VGA co better
[8:50] <SpeedEvil> converter
[8:50] <HashNuke> so no rca to vga at all?
[8:50] <[deXter]> Component video != RCA
[8:51] <HashNuke> ok
[8:51] <HashNuke> so I'll have to find a way to donate this :P
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[8:52] <Anppa> composite and component are annoyingly similar words, but a different thingy
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[9:02] <Crenn-NAS> Component needs more cables ;D
[9:02] <Crenn-NAS> It's how I remember
[9:02] <Anppa> composhite has worse quality
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[9:06] <Prinler> Its all garbage
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[9:11] <Hydrazine> morning
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[10:06] <gordonDrogon> morning pi peeps!
[10:06] <Yotson> hi gordonDrogon
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> spent yesterday afternoon/evening in Penzance: http://openshed.org/
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> it's an excellent little hackspace/office/cafe/"place" ...
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> I really hope they can keep it going. Just wish there was someting like it closer - it's a ~3 hour train journey each way..
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[10:08] <Yotson> looks nice. no 'office feeling' and so.
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> they have offices in a separate are for use as quiet spaces by members - it's actually a huge place.
[10:11] <Yotson> even better. :)
[10:12] * Yotson happens to like fluorescent lighting. lol
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> It was an old nightclub - it's next-door to an old cinema too, so the basement is used for storage. before that it was a garage, so it's had a pretty weird old history!
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> their coffee machine is a true hack - rescued from rubbish, the control board is now a Raspberry Pi.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> the "till" is a web browser to the website - which runs on the Pi...
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> Messrs. Heath and Robinson would be happy there...
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[10:40] <artag> gordonDrogon: there's a hackspace group in Exeter. It was struggling for space last time I heard but I think it's still active
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[10:46] <gordonDrogon> artag, I went twice last year - I was not at all impressed )-:
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> artag, there is a tiny bit of momentum to get one going in devon, but I've struggled to get people really interested. We've been offered a bench in a local arts project, but people here are lazy. who wants to go to totnes... Devon is huge )-:
[10:48] <Sonny_Jim> I went to a Linux meetup thing in Bristol a few years ago, that was cool. Some guy from the BBC was there talking about how much open source is used in their content streaming
[10:48] <Sonny_Jim> It was in a slightly dodgy area of Bristol, so it was funny seeing a load of geeks eating breakfast in the local greasy spoon right next to the strippers finishing their night shifts
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> they do have an active hackspace in Bristol I've met a few of the members...
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> I lived in bristol until about 10-11 years ago...
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> it's relatively easy to do this sort of thing in a city - high population density, etc.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> I think exeters failed because they just didn't have clue.
[10:52] <artag> that's a shame, i visited a couple of years ago and they seemed a nce crowd
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[10:55] <artag> but it's very difficult to run a place part-time. a weekly meeting is very different from an open workshop
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> I got all enthusiastic ealier this year when I visited madlab in Manchester.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> they seem to get funding by renting out some office space to help pay for it...
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> there is an office local to me - 1 minute off the A38 halfway between Exeter & Plymouth that could support 3 people working in it and have a big bench area for "hacks", etc. Under ?300 a month rental, but I'd need 2 others to come in with me to make it viable
[10:58] <artag> madlab's a slightly different proposition aiui. closer to a commercial maker.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> it's secure, 24/7 access, car park nearby, etc. but I know that I'd not be able to get anyone to share with me.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, but it still has to fund itself.
[10:59] <artag> but the advice is, build a group first and premises later. I've not seen anyone buck that succesfully
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> w've tried. We have over 200 members on the Devon/Cornwall LUG lists - and no-one there is intersted.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> well 1 or 2, but ...
[11:00] <artag> penzance is perhaps closest, didn't they do some sort of kickstart funding? DOn't know how big their core groups is though.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> someone's even tries to setup a exeter only LUG - it's going, but struggling for regular members - it's a 30 minute drive for me.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> penzance for some arts group grant/funding I think.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> but they still need money to pay the rent - latest project is a bike workshop..
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> I'm the only person in Devon that's bothered to go down and see them.
[11:01] <artag> in northampton, we all joined the local model engineers. Which gives us an excellent workshop and place to meet without any big commitment. but we're struggling for members.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> and saturday (tomorrow) I'm going to yeovil to visit a local computer group too - in preference to going to the devon/cornwall meetup which would be much closer (45 mins drive vs. 1.5 hours)
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> time for a coffee I think... back inna bit.
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[12:06] * gordonDrogon tum ti tums.
[12:07] <steve_rox> dont forget to reload dr freeman.
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that's a reference to some stomach medication...
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[12:16] <Sonny_Jim> Any way to hack a PS/2 keyboard into the Pi using the GPIO?
[12:16] <Sonny_Jim> I wanna try RISCOS but I'm too cheap to buy a keyboard
[12:17] <suppreme> i think you would have to port drivers :P
[12:17] <jelly1> is there a way to dualboot on the raspberrypi btw
[12:18] <jelly1> oh i see
[12:18] <nid0> yeah, pull out one sd card and put another in
[12:18] <Armand> lol
[12:18] <jelly1> nid0: you think i am that rich
[12:18] <jelly1> :P
[12:18] <jelly1> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/336/is-it-possible-to-dual-boot-from-the-sd-card
[12:18] <nid0> ??4 is a lot
[12:18] <Yotson> Sonny_Jim: how strict can you time I/O on the rpi? ps2 is clocked at 19200baud from the keyboard.
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[12:19] <jelly1> i will just configure XBM on archlinux
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> it's highly unlikely you'll bit-bang serial on the GPIO accurately.
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> you'd be far better off using the on-board uart to drive the keyboard.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> bother. another parsing bug in my basic. I hate writing parsers.
[12:21] <Yotson> gordonDrogon: how 'multifunctional' is the onboard usart? does it have a clock pin as well. (the s in usart)
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> Yotson, no clock that I'm aware of.
[12:23] <Yotson> than ps2 over uart will be, ehm, difficult.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> oh, is it synchronous? I wasn' aware of that...
[12:23] <Yotson> yup, clocked by the keyboard even.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> Hm. according to wikipedia the clock rate isn't fixed, so it's possible that bit-banging via the Pi might actually work...
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> only one data pin is it bi-directional?
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> oh gross.: http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/ grossity gross grossness with a dose of gross on-top.
[12:28] <Yotson> ah, that was what i used when i tied a keyboard to an avr usart.
[12:28] <jelly1> hmm what method do you guys use for webcam capture?
[12:29] <jelly1> there is ffserver, gstreamer, mjpgstreamer hrrm
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> cheese
[12:29] <jelly1> doesnt that require a gui
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> no idea. only ever used cheese & skypeeee on Linux w/ webcam.
[12:30] <jelly1> oh
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[12:30] <[SLB]> that's what i did http://www.slblabs.com/2012/09/26/rpi-webcam-stream
[12:31] <jelly1> i have the feeling gstreamer pwns ffmpeg
[12:31] <jelly1> [SLB]: yeah mjpg seems efficient
[12:31] <jelly1> ffmpeg/gstreamer both failed when i didnt have swap ;)
[12:32] <[SLB]> eheh
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> looks neat. nice view you have - a bit blue though :)
[12:32] <[SLB]> thanks :)
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[12:34] <jelly1> [SLB]: lemme try that ;)
[12:34] <jelly1> [SLB]: oh you wrote the article nice!
[12:34] <[SLB]> sure eheh
[12:34] <[SLB]> yes thanks :)
[12:34] <jelly1> why didnt you make a deb
[12:35] <[SLB]> i don't know how to, i'm fedora user eheh
[12:36] <[SLB]> hmactually only mjpeg streamer had to be compiled, fswebcam and motion are in the repos already
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[12:39] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, here's on
[12:39] <Sonny_Jim> Would sticking a whacking great big 4700uF cap across the +5V and GND on the USB socket stop my Pi from rebooting when I plug a dongle in?
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[12:42] <gordonDrogon> you probably don't need anything as big as that, however...
[12:42] <Sonny_Jim> I'll give it a whirl, it's what I have handy at the moment
[12:44] <jelly1> hmm fun
[12:44] <jelly1> 404: Not Found!
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[12:45] <jelly1> yay it works now
[12:45] <jelly1> looks good
[12:45] <[SLB]> nice
[12:45] <jelly1> almost realtime
[12:45] <jelly1> and not much cpu used :O
[12:46] <[SLB]> :)
[12:46] <jelly1> i always had a 5 second delay with ffserver
[12:46] <jelly1> awesome part about ffserver is that you can stream to various formats
[12:47] <[SLB]> the delay must be because of the online encoding
[12:47] <jelly1> probably
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[12:47] <Vanfanel> I need some help with dispmanx, currently implementing a triple-buffer mechanism for a dispmanx SDL backend. Is it a good idea to call vc_dispmanx_update_submit() inside the vsync callback function?
[12:48] <jelly1> i should look at the source ;)
[12:48] <jelly1> [SLB]: well i am streaming 320x240 @ 10 FPS
[12:48] * jelly1 tries 15 fps
[12:49] <jelly1> still nice
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[12:49] <[SLB]> :)
[12:49] <jelly1> indeed
[12:49] * jelly1 checks cpu / ram
[12:50] <jelly1> ~ 16 % used and 18 MB ram ;)
[12:50] <[SLB]> nice
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[12:53] <jelly1> [SLB]: i think i know
[12:53] <jelly1> OFC
[12:53] <[SLB]> what
[12:53] <jelly1> duh
[12:54] <jelly1> [SLB]: my webcam can deliver mjpg
[12:54] <jelly1> so mjpg streamer doesnt have to convert anything
[12:54] <[SLB]> ah probably
[12:54] <jelly1> btw mjpgstreamer is OLD
[12:55] <jelly1> Version info:
[12:55] <jelly1> v0.1 (Okt 22, 2007)
[12:56] <Vanfanel> no dispmanx gurus here? :D
[12:56] <Vanfanel> Come on, guys, this is supposed to be the native interface with rpi's graphics hardware
[13:00] <Sonny_Jim> Yay
[13:00] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon: It fixes my reboot problem, although I'm sure I don't need 4700uF, it's what I had handy
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[13:02] <Draylor> smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped <- anyone know how to resolve this?
[13:02] <Draylor> google throws up a bunch of threads with suggestions and others saying they havent helped
[13:03] <Sonny_Jim> tried some of these:
[13:03] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/Rpi_USB_check-list
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[13:13] <Vanfanel> <Draylor> "Oh, thanks, Sonny_Jim! I will check that list"
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[13:30] <[SLB]> Sonny_Jim, did you make something to make it work or it just happens to?
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[13:39] <Draylor> sorry, distracted
[13:40] <Draylor> that list has the same suggestions as teh forum threads which dont resolve the issue
[13:40] <Draylor> just wondering if anyone had come across it & fixed it
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[13:52] <DigitalYeti> hey, was looking into the white/blue LCD displays from Adafruit, but they require soldering.. I'm not an EE guy, does anyone know of a non-soldering/simpler setup to connect a character LCD to a raspberry pi?
[13:53] <ShiftPlusOne> There may be alternatives, but I'd recommend you learn to solder.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> blu tak.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> expoxy.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> an investment in a good soldering iron is worth it. I've had mine for about 35 years now.
[13:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Soldering isn't hard, it's just that the intuitive way to do it is wrong.
[13:55] <DigitalYeti> part of the issue is that I'm a software guy and just not really interested that much in the EE side of it, more the programming
[13:55] <DigitalYeti> but also, I want something a little more "clean" in terms of setup. I don't want to have to have a breadboard sitting out, etc if I want to use it for something
[13:56] <artag> isn't the raspberry pi all about 'physical computing' ? perhaps you're using the wrong product
[13:57] <DigitalYeti> It's not for me... for me it's about having a small portable inexpensive linux machine
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> if you're doing low level programming (like an lcd), then the two are inseperable. But anyway, if you really refuse to do the simple thing, you can use breadboard wires or any solid core wires and plug them into a header of some sort.
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[13:58] <artag> if you want to customise it, then fine : but I think I agree with the above, learn to solder. But if you want to only touch the software parts, a tablet might be better suited to you
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[13:58] <Yotson> i'm probably missing the point here but in what way is a rpi good for 'physical computing'?
[13:59] <artag> it encourages the attachment of other things. I see it as a less-limited arduino.
[13:59] <DigitalYeti> soldering isn't "simple" to me... like I said, I'm not an ee guy. And as for a tablet, it's a completely different form factor. I think the Rpi was meant to be a good compromise for both types of people; those wanting to learn to program and those wanting to combine a computer with hardware
[14:00] <DigitalYeti> or the ability to crossover easily
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[14:00] <DigitalYeti> and as for the tablet comment, it's a completely different form factor than the rpi
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> DigitalYeti, if you're going to mess around with hardware like LCDs, but refuse to solder, you're going to have a bad time.
[14:01] <artag> yes, it's by no means inflexible. But something sold without a box seems to me inherently for physically customisig, and that's something you don't want to do
[14:01] <artag> the rpi doesn't really have aform factor as such. I'd agree it wouldn't make a good tablet.
[14:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> DigitalYeti http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=14913&p=211606&hilit=texy#p152974
[14:01] <artag> perhaps I should start from the other directuion : what do you want to end up with ?
[14:02] <Yotson> artag: ah, cool that you mentioned arduino. imho a microcontroller is 'better' for that. It can do strict timing related I/O for example. Downside is obviously that it's a bit limited in processing power. I think some microcontoller together with a rpi is a nice combo for 'physical computing'
[14:02] <artag> yes, that certainly solves some problems
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> RaTTuS|BIG, that's not a character display though.
[14:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> well it does show the character I thow at it ... ;-p
[14:03] <DigitalYeti> rattus: that's very similar to what I was looking for
[14:03] <DigitalYeti> thank you
[14:03] <DigitalYeti> all I want to do is be able to show a simple text display and send text to it from the rpi
[14:03] <DigitalYeti> I'm not looking to design my own circuits or anything
[14:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ that will work .. let me find the other link
[14:04] <artag> ok, but is that an aim in itself (ie you want to learn how that's done) or are you aming to build a specific project ?
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[14:04] <DigitalYeti> no, I just want to be able to display text on a small screen
[14:04] <DigitalYeti> that's my only goal
[14:04] <DigitalYeti> lol
[14:04] <DigitalYeti> nothing fancy :)
[14:05] <artag> nothing wrong with that
[14:06] <DigitalYeti> I respect that people want to work on those projects or learn how to interface, I think it's really cool. It's just not my focus :)
[14:06] <artag> and fair enough, that sort of item has been thoroughly covered on the arduino and doubtless will see demand on the Pi too
[14:06] <DigitalYeti> like I don't want to have to wire my own ethernet cable to use SSH on my VPS :-D
[14:06] <DigitalYeti> yeah hopefully... It would be pretty handy
[14:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> DigitalYeti http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=9814 < - that has the code to drive it - look at the latest texy messages for the best version
[14:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh food time
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[14:08] <DigitalYeti> thanks rattus!
[14:08] <DigitalYeti> that's very helpful, I appreciate it! :)
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[14:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> np
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[14:36] <NullMoogleCable> whats the bga pitch of the cpu used for the pi?
[14:37] <jelly1> v0.1 (Okt 22, 20075
[14:38] <NullMoogleCable> ?
[14:39] <NullMoogleCable> like is it 0.8 mm ball pitch PGA-100
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[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know, but maybe you can figure it out from this image http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w143/JamesHughes_photos/RaspberryPi/2011-10-01-018.jpg
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> sorry - been distracted by a client..
[14:44] <NullMoogleCable> http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=4000001
[14:44] <NullMoogleCable> crazy idea
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot with the character LCD displays - they're not hard to drive - can be connected up via breadboards, bu yes, solding is sort of needed for the initial connector...
[14:44] <NullMoogleCable> ratsnest wired pi ;D
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[14:45] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, he already got an answer he was happy with.
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[15:13] <mrmoney2012> can i ask a basic question about shell scripting - if i put an & on the end of a command it runs it in the background right ?
[15:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[15:14] <mrmoney2012> so in a script if i have a number of things in series, like take photo .. sound alarm ??? send email ??? send tweet
[15:14] <mrmoney2012> they will run one after the other (and delay each other)
[15:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[15:14] <mrmoney2012> if i stick an & on the end of them
[15:14] <mrmoney2012> that's a good way to have them all fire off at the same time ?
[15:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes
[15:14] <mrmoney2012> brilliant :-)
[15:15] <mrmoney2012> thanks - sorry just checking my understanding.
[15:15] <mrmoney2012> trying now with my "big red button project"...
[15:15] <mrmoney2012> errr, it's like a big red button connected to GPIO - when you press it - stuff happens !
[15:16] <mrmoney2012> it works - I am very pleased with myself :-).
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[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> Can anyone suggest any good ways of testing the speed of various SD cards?
[15:23] <mrmoney2012> oh another thing???am on standard raspbian build - i currenty start my script as user pi by ssh in and do ./switch1.sh &
[15:23] <Sonny_Jim> dd?
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[15:23] <mrmoney2012> how can i have it start at boot - as user pi I guess ?
[15:26] <zewelor> mrmoney2012: but if you close terminal where you started that command in background it will be killed
[15:26] <Sonny_Jim> mrmoney2012: /etc/rc.local is normally used for things like that
[15:27] <zewelor> su pi -c "command arguments"
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, remember you only have a finite number of cpu cycles and running things concurrently with & may not actually make them run any faster.
[15:28] <zewelor> anyone here using xbmc ( xbian raspbian openelec ) ? I got some grey artifacts when i jump forward backward in video. Is there any cure for that ?
[15:28] <zewelor> mrmoney2012: in some cases it could be even slower
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[15:29] <phire> zewelor, It's probally an issue with the firmware and/or hardware video codec
[15:29] <sraue> zewelor, actually there is no solution for this and its a known issue
[15:29] <zewelor> and maybe someoen here is using openelec with overclock ?
[15:29] <zewelor> is it possible to use overclock with openelec without risk of sd card corruption ?
[15:30] <zewelor> i tried xbian before and i didnt have any issues with sdcard on it
[15:30] <zewelor> and on openelec i get Storage partition corrupted 5 times i tried it :\
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[15:32] <Armand> Is ReggieUK about ?
[15:32] <Armand> or another Op ?
[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Armand, what's up?
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[15:33] <Armand> Just wondering if it would be ok to post the URL for my Pi project site?
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah 'course
[15:33] <Armand> http://www.baked-pi.co.uk/
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> as long as you don't spam
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> If it's SFW and Pi related, sure
[15:33] <Armand> Thanks. :)
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[15:33] <Armand> Very much Pi.. and, not much activity yet.
[15:33] <zewelor> is there some channel for xbmc on raspberry ?
[15:34] <Armand> As for SFW... I'll add some content filtering at some point. :P
[15:34] <mrmoney2012> thanks al will test
[15:34] <mozzwald> Sonny_Jim: this program is for testing sd cards but also displays avg speed http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/
[15:34] <Armand> I'm the only one posting at the moment, so it's all clean.
[15:34] <Sonny_Jim> Armand: Post a pic of the solar powered setup,sounds cool
[15:34] <Sonny_Jim> mozzwald: Thanks
[15:34] <mrmoney2012> have moved the rig (including much wiring) to the kitchen area - MrsMoney will be delighted to see it !
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[15:35] <Armand> Sonny_Jim, bit of a issue with that.. I still need to push images to the host.
[15:35] <mrmoney2012> al = all
[15:35] <Armand> I don't have anything besides the base webhosting enabled.
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> Armand, drupal on a Pi ....
[15:37] <Armand> Yessir
[15:38] <Armand> Works quite well, I think.. even though it's using MySQL.
[15:40] <axion> drupal is so last decade
[15:41] <Armand> lol
[15:41] <mrmoney2012> rails baby
[15:41] <axion> all about django rails, and hunchentoot now
[15:41] <mrmoney2012> maybe that's a bit old hat now though, aren't the cool kids doing lift/scala
[15:42] <Anppa> was scala this "python badly reinvented on top of java"?
[15:42] <mrmoney2012> or whatever....
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> wordpress ftw :)
[15:44] * Anppa is tempted to try out django-cms
[15:44] <axion> CMS are for those that cant do
[15:45] <Anppa> I can for a living and have limited motivation to can on my free time :P
[15:45] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[15:46] <Armand> I'm awful when it comes to coding.. I dunt haff braining fur it.
[15:46] <Armand> :P
[15:47] * axion is a python/lisp web application developer/designer
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> I program in basic.
[15:48] <Armand> I program with a screwdriver.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> actually, I've got someone inersted in using my basic as a web backend cgi type of thing...
[15:48] <axion> real cgi?
[15:50] <mrmoney2012> gotta fly - cheers guys
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[15:51] <axion> cgi requests are quite costly...
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> axion, yea - olde fashioned rather than embedded php/perl type..
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> so apache will fork the program, feed the POST data into it, etc.
[15:52] <axion> apache is quite costly
[15:53] <Armand> Feel free to sign-up on there, by the way.. I'll be happy for any input as the project develops. :)
[15:53] <Armand> FYI: There's no e-mail for the sign-ups yet. -_-
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[15:55] <axion> consider fastcgi and a more lower latency web server with an IO blocking model
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[15:56] <gordonDrogon> axion, it's not for anything serious - just to make someones life easier...
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[15:58] <axion> hehe ok
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[16:00] <Armand> My webserver does need some tweaking, to make it a bit more comfortable for the Pi.. reducing RAM usage and writes to the drive.
[16:01] <axion> yours? or one in particular
[16:01] <Armand> Mine, yes.. I've only got that one for now.
[16:01] <axion> what language did you write it in?
[16:02] <Armand> I didn't.. it's Drupal.
[16:02] <axion> sigh
[16:02] <axion> thats not a webserver
[16:02] <axion> or your own for that matter
[16:02] <Armand> Sorry, I'm just starting with this..
[16:02] <Armand> I mean "mine" as in... the server is my property.
[16:03] <Armand> I think I missed you point there.
[16:03] <Armand> *your
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[16:04] <axion> A web server is what listens for and responds to connections underneath drupal
[16:04] <Armand> The whole software stack wants some optimising..
[16:04] <axion> apache/nginx/lighttpd/etc
[16:04] <Armand> Yes, sorry.. my mistake.
[16:04] <Armand> In this case, lighttpd
[16:04] <axion> also Drupal and CMS's use lots of memory and disk accesses. Speed will be an issue on a Pi.
[16:05] <axion> consider switching to nginx if using apache for some speedup
[16:05] <Anppa> would mysql -> sqlite lessen the burden
[16:05] <Armand> I've been considering off-loading the database to another server, as I'll end up with quite a few hosts.
[16:05] <axion> depends on the size of the database, the medium hosting the database, and how many connections it gets
[16:06] <axion> sqlite is generally for small databases with low connections...usually for local usage
[16:06] <Armand> Of course.. I suspect my entire setup will only be light usage, not a great deal of traffic.
[16:07] <Armand> I only used what I have out of familiarity.
[16:07] <axion> sqlite is not bad for small sites....i recommend it over My anyway
[16:07] <axion> i wonder if drupal supports couchdb instead of sql though
[16:08] <axion> Armand: also i just noticed you use lighttpd
[16:09] <Anppa> or maybe mongodb if couches versioning stuff isn't needed
[16:09] <axion> consider switching to nginx...lighttpd has bad garbage collection and eats up quite a bit more RAM over extended periods of time
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[16:09] <Armand> It was quickly figured that Apache was a bit too much.
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[16:14] <axion> oh yes ofc
[16:15] <axion> even better is nginx...more performant than lighttpd and uses less RAM over time
[16:15] <Armand> I'm pretty new to hosting, so.. it's a lot to figure out.
[16:15] <Anppa> does nginx do wsgi?
[16:15] <axion> yes
[16:15] <Anppa> cool, have to try that some day as well
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[16:17] <Armand> I did run a host before.. but it was a much "heavier" machine. :P
[16:17] <Armand> I went for the full-fat LAMP stack on that.
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[16:19] <axion> i used to use django for a few years
[16:19] <axion> now i use hunchentoot, sexml, and parenscript :)
[16:19] <axion> warning, for serious programmers only :)
[16:19] <Armand> I have no idea what you mean... lol
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> have to say I'm still happy with apache... not sure I have the time right now to investigate the alternatives though.
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm hosting about 1000 websites over a couple of dozen servers, so it's a lot to consider if I were to move!
[16:20] <Armand> I wouldn't mind redoing the stack, as it's only 1 machine... and, it's productive research.
[16:21] <Armand> But, I really want to stick with Drupal for that one.
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> it's a great little platform to experiment locally with.
[16:28] <Armand> Ohh yes. :)
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[16:28] <Armand> Most of what I'm doing here will transfer over to VM hosts easily enough.
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> yes, it should do.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> just pick a good host :)
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[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> Just battery powered my Pi, it's drawing about 300mA, which isn't too bad
[16:32] <Armand> Well, one of my core purposes is to learn more about the entire working of webhosting.
[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> 8 x rechargable AA's and a regulator
[16:32] <Anppa> linear regulator or something more efficient?
[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.ebay.com/itm/280963026967?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> Just one of these, it was cheap
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[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> I want to use the Pi as a radio receiver, so low noise was more important to me
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> Although I reckon if I change the stupidly big cap I used on the USB power line it should draw a little less
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[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> how can I check my CPU speed from the commandline?
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, watch -n1 'uptime ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock core'
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> is a little script I use.
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[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> cool, thanks gordonDrogon
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> Is there any way of setting a CPU speed slower than 700MHz?
[16:40] <dirty_d> yea
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[16:40] <artag> looks like vcgencmd could do with more flexible command parsing
[16:40] <dirty_d> Sonny_Jim, you use the freq settings in config.txt with _min after it
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[16:41] <artag> gordonDrogon: what's your view on using wiringPi with Scratch ? I saw a reference saying you were thinking about it but didn't see a followup
[16:41] <dirty_d> Sonny_Jim, arm_freq_min etc
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[16:49] <johanbr> Hi. For some reason my rpi auto-negotiates its network connection as 1000baseT-HD (half duplex). Other machines connected to the same switch auto-negotiate as full duplex. Is this something to do with the rpi itself, or should I look for other causes?
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[16:52] <nid0> hmm, are you sure about that result?
[16:53] <johanbr> well, that's what mii-tool tells me
[16:53] <nid0> you've got something majorly odd going on if the 100mbit port on a pi is autonegotiating to 1000, as that shouldnt even be a valid negotiation mode
[16:54] <johanbr> oh, right, that's true, it's not supposed to be gigE, I forgot about that
[16:54] <johanbr> $ sudo mii-tool eth0
[16:54] <johanbr> eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok
[16:56] <johanbr> I haven't noticed any network problems, ifconfig says 0 errors/dropped/collisions
[16:56] <nid0> I suspect thats an error in mii-tool, just checked my pi and its returning the same
[16:56] <nid0> yet my pi is definitely negotiating to 100 full duplex
[16:56] <nid0> if you want to double check, install and run ethtool
[16:56] <johanbr> ahh... that would make sense
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> artag, I think someone else has gone some sort of gpio going with scratch, but I don't know how they did it.
[16:56] <nid0> and check the link from your switch
[16:57] <nid0> Speed: 100Mb/s
[16:57] <nid0> Duplex: Full
[16:57] <nid0> Port: MII
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> artag, if I had time I'd look at integrating it myself... (mostly after watching some kids play with scratch last night though)
[16:57] <nid0> ethtool reports the correct negotiation for me
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[16:57] <artag> yeah, saw tha other one but it's only for gpio
[16:58] <artag> whereas you seem interested in extending to random i/o boards
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[16:58] <johanbr> nid0: yep, ethtool reports 100 Mbit FD for me too, so I guess all is well
[16:58] <johanbr> thank you for the help!
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> artag, random? No - I have no real agenda really ...
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> artag, I do have to balance my time between paid stuff and "play time" ... :)
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> not enough time to do everything..
[16:59] <artag> fair enough. but you've done 1 :) I'm not sure how practical it is to support generically, but I guess some standard support will eventually appera
[16:59] <artag> it's going to be anightmare otherwise
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> what? doing gpio in scratch?
[17:00] <phire> I'm tempted to write printf in assembly
[17:03] <artag> no, trying to drive <random io extender> from <random programming language>
[17:05] <artag> easy enough now while it's gpio/gertboard with c/python/java but the number of combinations will get insane
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> artag, oh yes. I know...
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> phire, er.. good luck there, then..
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> artag, while I'd lone the whole 'wiring' idea to catch on, I know there are people who intensly dislike it...
[17:10] <phire> yeah.... variable length args
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> phire, that's not neccessarily an issue - I think it will be quite challenging though!
[17:10] <phire> Its easy if you push all the arguments onto the stack
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> phire, yes, but you need to know how many arguments... that's why gcc now actually counts them...
[17:11] <artag> yeah, I like the concept of a library, especially if it became easily extendible. But I know those functions are painful for their overhead on the arduino and will surely be a fair bit worse on the pi.
[17:11] <artag> I was a bit anti- the pin numbering too, but I think the v2 change has brough ne around a bit on that
[17:12] <artag> *brought me
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> artag, the overhead is negligible on the pi - it can calculate the bits, etc. faster than it can poke the GPIO, so that's not an issue.
[17:13] <artag> it was more the system call to poke the bits I was thinking of. not really something you can get way from on linux if you're in user space
[17:14] <artag> and I can't see people writing in scratch also writing kernel modules to do their i/o with :)
[17:15] <Yotson> from I/O standpoint. isn't the whole os basically 'in the way' of timing and so?
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> artag, there is no system call - I poke memory directly....
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> Yotson, basically yes, but you can work with it - most of the time.
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> a down-side is that to poke memory/hardwware IO directly, you need to be root )-:
[17:16] <Yotson> off course, a couple of buttons/leds will do fine i guess. :)
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> I wanted to write a device driver, but got shot-down in flames by a few people over that one because there is already a /sys/class interface...
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> Yotson, http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/kits/raspberry-ladder-kit.html
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> Yotson, couple of buttons an leds ...
[17:17] <Yotson> :)
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/raspberryLadder2.jpg
[17:18] <artag> i don't really have a problem with direct poking as long as the address is acquired in a maintainable way
[17:18] <Yotson> arduino/avr tinkerer here. i did the led thing already. XD
[17:19] <artag> but it is a bit of a pain to have to run as root
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> artag, yes - that was my intention of the device driver .. trouble is, who know swhat the foundation will do next.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> the quick2wire people look close to producing their IO board too.
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> and they have their own libraries, etc.
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[17:28] <artag> i'm trying to help someone support their i/o parts and trying to find a reasonably open and supportable path, but it's far from obvious what will survive best
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[17:29] <artag> and i wouldn't be surprised if the foundation come out with something quite different to support their education model, which will screw everything up
[17:29] <artag> there's no real clue as to whether that will just be a pi in a box or a complete system
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[17:33] * gordonDrogon nods.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> what sort of IO parts are you looking to support?
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> I do have plans to make an 'extended' version of wiringPi that allows new devices to be registered and their 'pins' to be made avalable..
[17:34] <artag> low tech easy-to-build motors, leds etc. so needs buffers.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> ok, so just end devices not like IO expanders then?
[17:34] <artag> and very appropriate to the market for scratch (though I personally don't like it)
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[17:35] <artag> well, it might need an expander to drive it. not sure how many ports atm. but there's a good chance gpio will be enough
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[17:35] <artag> needing to do pwm on more than a couple of ports might tilt me to using a micro
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> well wiringPi has a softwarePWM module... it's OK but not perfect.
[17:35] <artag> though an SPI led drive might be a nicer way to fo that
[17:36] <artag> *do
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> yes, there are a few of these now - that are daisy-chainable..
[17:36] <artag> yes, that's why I say a couple .. I don't think I could lose the builtin audio and I wouldn't want to support many channels of software pwm
[17:36] <Gadgetoid> I use an ATMega on a breadboard running off the Pi's 5v downregged to 3.3v to do PWM
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[17:37] <artag> yeah, that's a respectable way to do it. i'm not sure yet whether this needs to be bare-bone cost or not
[17:37] <Gadgetoid> Often considered buying a PWM chip, but the 328 is just more useful
[17:37] <artag> in some ways, using a micro as the sacrificial buffer isn't a bad idea
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[17:39] <Gadgetoid> It's my preferred way, but I'm just a hobbyist with no plans for permanent fixtures or anything finished/professional
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[17:39] <gordonDrogon> artag, it needs 0.5% cpu per softPwm channel...
[17:39] <Gadgetoid> The breadboard onto which I breakout my Pi has an ATMega as a matter of course, alongside the breakout adaptor, and an additional digital IO expander
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, what Ho!
[17:40] <artag> gordonDrogon: that's not bad at all.
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, had a couple of queries about wiringPi not compiling - turns out it's the version in the python wrappers )-:
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[17:41] <nicdev> any pointers on how to set up nfs for a usb drive connected to
[17:41] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: curious! Those wrappers are a pain, I should probably hand-write some, they'd be a bit more predictable
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, the piNes.c file seems to have lost the <> in the #include <wiringPi> and has 2 double quotes instead...
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[17:41] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I think I pushed a fix for that, or it might be to my private fork which hasn't been merged in yet
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> ok!
[17:42] <axion> nicdev: install, create exports, start?
[17:42] <Gadgetoid> Drat, I'll have to fix that
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[17:42] <Gadgetoid> Merged the pull request that fixes it, will have to update wiringPi-Python to use the latest version
[17:43] <narcos> Hi all. I have xbian on my pi. Is it possible to load a web browser..?
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Not sure what this is about: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi/pull/3
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> Removes: static uint8_t rowOff [4] = { 0x00, 0x40, 0x14, 0x54 } ; and replaces it with an empty array
[17:44] <Gadgetoid> Ah, and then has an offset for 4 rows, 16 cols, or everything else
[17:44] <axion> narcos: sure, install any you want and run it.
[17:44] <Gadgetoid> Logic shown here: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi/pull/3/files
[17:45] <Armand> Is it plausible... to attach a stepping motor with a light sensor to rotate a solar array to track the sun? Using the Pi for monitoring energy output?
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[17:46] <nicdev> sorry my message got truncated. I want to create working exports. i have a usb drive that's loaded by usbmount and i tried to export /media/usb1 where it's mounted but it's not working for me
[17:46] <axion> nicdev: define not working
[17:46] <axion> error please
[17:47] <nicdev> all at installtion, i get a message that rpcbind is installed instead of portmap, does this affect the installation
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[17:48] <narcos> axion: Are there any 'thin' browser options? Or just 'apt-get install firefox' ? Also, I'm not sure how to control it without a mouse
[17:48] <axion> nicdev: nfs v3 or v4?
[17:48] <axion> narcos: look into xombrero
[17:48] <axion> narcos: also midori
[17:48] <axion> there may be others people can recommend...i use xombrero
[17:49] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Seem to have a mix of "" and <>
[17:50] <nicdev> axion: nfs v4
[17:50] <axion> which distro?
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[17:51] <nicdev> axion: i have Raspian installed
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[17:52] <axion> portmap is no longer required for v4
[17:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Should be fixed now
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Ahh... Hm. Someone told me they'd some some sort of pull/push on it and I did wonder what they were on about. It must have been the github they were talking about.
[17:52] <axion> you just need rpcbind running
[17:53] <axion> and statd i think
[17:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Sounds about right
[17:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: They'd have issued a pull request
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it's not in my version at all, so it's going to get a bit weird...
[17:54] <axion> nicdev: im not sure why they are warning you that rpcbind is installed, as that is what has been used for the last few years
[17:54] <axion> portmap no longer used with v4...only 3
[17:55] <axion> im not familiar with debian, but arch linux has extensive info on how to configure nfs that i followed: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS
[17:55] <axion> sorry i must go, good luck
[17:56] <anildigital> guys.. I have installed wheezy.. also I have downloaded movie on it
[17:56] <anildigital> now how to open it via vlc player on my mac
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[17:57] <Gadgetoid> Right, gotta skidaddle
[17:57] <enapupe> anildigital: pen drive?
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[17:58] <axion> anildigital: an nfs server
[17:58] <anildigital> enapupe: isn't there samba or file server
[17:58] <enapupe> yes.. samba
[17:58] <anildigital> axion: any known package that i can install
[17:58] <axion> samba has high overhead for video
[17:58] <axion> use nfs
[17:58] <enapupe> what about sshftp?
[17:58] <axion> very high overhead lol
[17:59] <enapupe> I uploaded some mp3 to the pi through sshftp
[17:59] <enapupe> at something like 2~3mb/s
[17:59] <axion> nfs is very fast for streaming video. you dont want to stress that tiny BCM :)
[17:59] <tripgod> sshftp? you mean sftp or scp?
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[18:00] <anildigital> axion: what is the package?
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[18:00] <axion> nfs-utils
[18:00] <enapupe> tripgod: sftp, ssh file transfer protocol, sshftp, whatever.
[18:00] <axion> see above link i posted
[18:01] <axion> there is ftp over ssh (sftp), and fuse with ssh (sshfs)
[18:01] <axion> both pretty high overhead, especially with ssh's default cipher and compression model
[18:01] <tripgod> enapupe, you'll never see it written as sshftp
[18:01] <enapupe> yes, I was thinking more like copy/paste
[18:01] <enapupe> not to stream it directly ..
[18:02] <enapupe> tripgod: good for you
[18:02] <tripgod> enapupe, good for me? You're the one who looks like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
[18:02] <enapupe> you are the one making a big deal about nothing..
[18:02] <axion> cmon kids.
[18:03] <enapupe> let go.
[18:03] <anildigital> ok
[18:03] <tripgod> why don't you open up and learn? not be so closed-minded and feel insulted just because you don't know crap
[18:03] <enapupe> tripgod: ok thanks.
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> I use NFS.
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[18:05] <axion> yay
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> don't use any of hte 's' things on the Pi if you can avoid it. lot of cpu overhead doing the encryption...
[18:05] <axion> tried explaining that :)
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[18:07] <axion> as well as compression too...not just encryption
[18:07] <axion> its a double no no
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[18:08] <nid0> theres an s in nfs
[18:08] <nid0> \o/
[18:08] <axion> s*
[18:08] <nicdev> axion: thanks for the wiki link, i will go work through it
[18:08] <axion> not *s :)
[18:08] <anildigital> axion: what does this mean mount_nfs: can't mount ~/Public from onto /Users/anil.wadghule/Raspberry: RPC prog. not avail
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[18:15] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> WiCd won't let me configure ethernet port on my laptop at the same time as Wi-Fi )-:
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[18:18] <Armand> gordonDrogon, I can use either or both on my laptop... but, If I disconnect one I lose all connection. >_<
[18:18] <akk> gordonDrogon: Funny how network config programs don't like multiple interfaces. I wrote a script to set up masquerading over eth0 to the pi: https://github.com/akkana/scripts/blob/master/masq
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm in an office on their wifi and plugged my Pi onto laptops ethernet - but if I manually configure it, wicd kills th ewifi.
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> it's a bother
[18:20] <anildigital> any tutorial to setup nfs on wheezy?
[18:20] <tripgod> nice, akk I may be able to use that
[18:20] <nid0> apt-get install nfs
[18:20] <nid0> then http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s03.html
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[18:21] <gordonDrogon> ah, found out how to do it - bit hacky but I can now talk to my pi.
[18:21] <anildigital> nid0: okay trying
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[18:27] <Armand> gordonDrogon, My Pi is plugged into the router.
[18:29] <Armand> So glad we have ssh. :)
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[18:30] <akk> I plug my pi into the router at home, but when I travel (like to hack meets) I use a crossover cable and masquerading.
[18:30] <anildigital> nid0: I have /home/pi/Public in /etc/exports
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[18:31] <anildigital> and ALL: LOCAL in /etc/hosts
[18:32] <anildigital> but it's not workiand did sudo service rpcbind stop and sudo service rpcbind start
[18:32] <anildigital> but it's not mounting
[18:32] <nid0> did you restart nfs after setting up the export?
[18:32] <akk> What does ALL: LOCAL in /etc/hosts do? That doesn't look like normal /etc/hosts syntax.
[18:33] <nid0> and, depending on your config, portmap
[18:33] <anildigital> checking http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-ubuntu-nfs-server-configuration-howto/
[18:33] <Armand> Mine doesn't travel, yet..
[18:34] <nid0> and yes as akk has mentioned, whats the purpose of your hosts entry?
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[18:38] <laurent\> he meant hosts.allow, see man hosts_access
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[18:40] <anildigital> nid0: now mount_nfs: can't mount ~/Public from onto /Users/anil.wadghule/Raspberry: Permission denied
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[18:43] <anildigital> nid0: why it's giving permission defined
[18:43] <nid0> read up
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Armand, yea, my pis normally connect into my office switch at home, but today I'm out at a client site - where I normally use wifi, so I plug the pi into the lappy via ethernet... (no x-over needed)
[18:49] <anildigital> nid0: nothing helping
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[18:54] <Armand> gordonDrogon, I assume you'd prefer that to work... over carrying a network switch everywhere. :P
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[18:54] <bugggg> hey, quick question. does the rpi come pre-assembled or is it a kit?
[18:55] <Armand> pre
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[18:55] <Armand> *quick answer. :)
[18:55] <bugggg> Armand: great, thanks... that's what i thought.
[18:55] <bugggg> =-)
[18:55] <Armand> The BGA on the processor/RAM package alone would be a PITA
[18:57] <anildigital> does this cover
[18:58] <DeliriumTremens> i think so, yes
[18:58] <[SLB]> yes
[18:58] <[SLB]> 192.168.1.*
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[18:59] <anildigital> ok
[18:59] <anildigital> nid0:
[18:59] <anildigital> ?? showmount -e
[18:59] <anildigital> Exports list on
[18:59] <anildigital> /home/pi/Public
[19:00] <anildigital> omg
[19:00] <anildigital> it worked
[19:01] <tripgod> the mask of /24 covers 2^(32-24) addresses = 2^8 = 256
[19:02] <tripgod> as a way to look at it
[19:03] <anildigital> nid0: thanks
[19:04] <[SLB]> with the mask you fix the first 24 bits of the ip
[19:04] <anildigital> now can someone tell me .. I can airplay to wheezy?
[19:04] <[SLB]> so /24 fixes the first 3 bytes, 192.168.1 indeed
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[19:07] <anildigital> now thinking to ditch wheezy and install raspbmc
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> gotta go - byee
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[19:18] <anildigital> anybody using raspbmc?
[19:18] <DeliriumTremens> i am
[19:18] <DeliriumTremens> so is everyone in #raspbmc
[19:18] <DeliriumTremens> -.-
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[19:20] <Datalink> we get OS questions all the time... relax DeliriumTremens :P
[19:20] <DeliriumTremens> i didn't realize i wasn't relaxed, my mistake
[19:23] <Essobi> :D
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[19:25] <DigitalYeti> anyone know why I would get sound through the HDMI out if I'm using yt to play youtube videos, but when I try to play a wav file using aplay I get nothing?
[19:26] <DigitalYeti> I went through some of the stuff on the rpi forum about this and none of the fixes seemed to work :-/
[19:26] <anildigital> okay so can I download torrents with raspbmc?
[19:26] <djuggler> Why does Mike Cook say "While the future of the Gert Board as a kit might be in doubt at the moment" at http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2371
[19:27] <Essobi> Aww.
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[19:27] <Armand> djuggler, there was talk of the Gertboard only being available prebuilt... but, I don't recall where it was.
[19:28] <djuggler> Hmm. Interesting.
[19:28] <djuggler> I would think if anything it would be offered at two price points, kit lower dollar and prebuilt higher dollar.
[19:29] <Armand> I agree, completely.
[19:29] <Armand> Something like that, I'd rather buy as kit.
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[19:32] <anildigital> do I need this?
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[19:32] <anildigital> http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
[19:34] <scummos> if you want to decode mpeg-2 with hardware acceleration, yes
[19:34] <Essobi> Do you?
[19:34] <scummos> otherwise, no
[19:34] <Essobi> Heh.
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[19:36] <sam_nazarko> anildigital: you asked this in #raspbmc too :P
[19:36] <anildigital> yes
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[19:36] <anildigital> scummos: how to enable it
[19:36] <sam_nazarko> within Raspbmc Settings
[19:37] <anildigital> hmm
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[19:37] <anildigital> nice
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[19:40] <sam_nazarko> anyone online that can help me re. some Raspbian packaging
[19:41] <sam_nazarko> who produces raspbian images, is it still Liam Fraser?
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[20:00] <artag> djuggler: farnell were originally going to sell it as a kit, but have apparently decided it will cost less to sell assembled. so they don't want to make kits.
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[20:03] <artag> they thoughtfully decided this, and stopped taking orders, without thinking to consult Gert
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[21:22] <Tachyon`> oh great, presumed consent on logging, heh
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[21:24] <aaearon> ?
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[21:56] <artag> the channel logs ? seems fair - it's advertised, so if you don't want to be logged, don't speak.
[21:57] <_av500_> irc is public anyway
[21:57] <_av500_> anybody can log
[21:57] <artag> yeah, private logs shouldn't ever be a problem. some people object to public logs that can be read by people not in the channel
[21:58] <Meatballs> bit pointless on a channel this size to worry about privacy :)
[21:58] <akk> The problem with IRC logs (I'm not whining about this channel, just saying why sometimes there's resistance)
[21:58] <akk> is that it means it's archived and searchable forever, so it's no longer so much a place for casual chat.
[21:59] <scummos> we
[21:59] <scummos> *well
[21:59] <scummos> who cares :)
[21:59] <scummos> I mean either it's an interesting discussion or it'll just drown somewhere in the depths of the internet
[21:59] <_av500_> artag: I can make my private logs public any way
[21:59] <akk> Just wait 'til you lose a job 20 years from now because of some casual remark you drop on some IRC channel now. :)
[21:59] <scummos> that's bound to happen!
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[22:00] <_av500_> public channel is public
[22:00] <_av500_> logs advertised or not
[22:00] <_av500_> assume they exist
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[22:01] <scummos> assume the axiom of choice holds
[22:02] <plugwash> http://xkcd.com/137/
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[22:04] <bircoe> well said plugwash
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[22:04] <akk> xkcd is eloquent as usual.
[22:04] <artag> indeed. be decent, let the future take care of itself. I don't want to work for someone who blames me for a 20 year old bit of foolishness
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[22:09] <bircoe> http://xkcd.com/149/ nice...
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[22:16] <kkombarji> I'm trying to find the arm128_start.elf file and can't find it. It's not in /boot/
[22:16] <kkombarji> Any ideas?
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[22:16] <bircoe> that's for an old kernel
[22:16] <bircoe> \firmware
[22:17] <bircoe> there is now just the single start.elf file and the memsplit is managed by the config.txt
[22:17] <kkombarji> Well what should I change in the config.txt file then?
[22:17] <bircoe> gpu_mem=128
[22:18] <bircoe> if you only want 64mb for GPU then gpu_mem=64
[22:19] <kkombarji> If that line doesn't exist should I just add it in?
[22:19] <kkombarji> Sorry noob here
[22:19] <bircoe> maybe...
[22:19] <bircoe> what files are in yoru boot folder?
[22:19] <bircoe> do you see one called fixup.dat?
[22:20] <kkombarji> let me check one sec
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[22:22] <SophieRxx> couldn't you just do it through raspi-config?
[22:22] <kkombarji> yes there's a file called fixup.dat
[22:22] <bircoe> depends on the OS installed and if raspi-config is included in that OS...
[22:22] <SophieRxx> Good point
[22:23] <kkombarji> I have raspi-config
[22:23] <bircoe> well give that a go then
[22:24] <kkombarji> It's rebooting now
[22:25] <Mihaylov> Hello, I have power supply problems, I have an apple power supply model A1300 1A-5V and the voltage measuere between TP1 and TP2 is 4,3 volts. Its because of the polyfuse F3?
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[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> unlikely, but you can measure the voltage across the fuse.
[22:27] <bircoe> the fuse wouldn't cause low voltage...
[22:27] <bircoe> the fuse is not a resistor so does not drop any voltage (if it does it's insignificant)
[22:28] <bircoe> the problem is more likely with your USB cable
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> bircoe, actually the fuse does indeed act like a resistor... it's not ye olde fuse.
[22:28] <Mihaylov> The usb cable? o.o
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[22:28] <kkombarji> I had a similar problem. My cable, although brand new, was crap
[22:28] <kkombarji> Micro USB cables often are
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> especially if they are too long
[22:29] <bircoe> ShiftPlusOne, not significant enough to drop .7 volts...
[22:29] <Mihaylov> its a short one
[22:29] <bircoe> maybe .07
[22:29] <ShiftPlusOne> bircoe, depends on the current.
[22:29] <bircoe> within spec...
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[22:30] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that's why I said unlikely, though not impossible.... if it was the case it would be a symptom of a bigger problem.
[22:30] <narcos> Hi all. I have xmbc on my pi. Is there a way to play a movie from the command line?
[22:30] <bircoe> yes
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[22:30] <narcos> bircoe: do share :)
[22:30] <kkombarji> My faulty cable got me through the boot sequence but wouldn't transfer enough power to let the USB or ethernet ports work.
[22:31] <bircoe> go read the XBMC wiki, theres plenty of info through it, it involves using curl or wget to "hit" a URL on the web control interface
[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Mihaylov, if you have a multimeter, and I am guessing you do, you can measure various points to figure out where the drop is coming from. Start with the voltage at the supply, then check the end of the cable.
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[22:31] <Mihaylov> Damn I just want to plug a usb wireless antena and actually use it
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[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Then you might be drawing way too much current from USB
[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> do you have a powered hub?
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[22:34] <Mihaylov> I do
[22:34] <Mihaylov> Also with the powered usb hub the system freezes
[22:34] <Mihaylov> when I up the wlan interface or scan with it
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> are the devices you're trying to use listed as problematic on the verified peripherals list?
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[22:36] <Mihaylov> Yes
[22:36] <Mihaylov> Alfa
[22:36] <Mihaylov> AWUS036H
[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> Where's the best place to buy a Pi in the UK at the moment?
[22:37] <Mihaylov> and AWUS036NH
[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> Just got OpenELEC working with watchseries.eu and it's making my buy another one, it's that good
[22:37] <Mihaylov> and also some non-branded antenas with chipset ralink 3070
[22:37] <linuxstb> Sonny_Jim: Element14 have always been fast for me (i.e. no more than about a week, sometimes faster)
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[22:40] <Davespice> is anyone here familiar with Risc OS? and could maybe help me with something?
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[22:41] <Davespice> *tumbleweed*
[22:41] <_av500_> <crickets>
[22:42] <Yotson> *
[22:42] <plugwash> hmm, my knowlege of risc-os is extremely rusty
[22:42] <plugwash> but what exactly is the problem?
[22:42] <artag> i used to use it, unenthusiastically, about 14 years ago. not sure I can remember much
[22:42] <Davespice> okay I am trying to follow the instructions on this site (http://kimondo.co.uk/elite-making-a-game-that-looks-as-good-as-the-box-art/) to get ArcEm running Archimedes Elite
[22:43] <Davespice> the guy provides a zip file with everything you need
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[22:43] <Davespice> the problem I have is when I try to run the !ArchEm application, I have an error saying "An application that loads a file of this type has not been found by the Filer. Open a directory display containing the required application and try again"
[22:44] <Davespice> I was so excited to play Archimedes Elite again too <sigh>
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[22:45] <Davespice> I suppose any of you here could also try it, if you've got a spare SD card and Pi
[22:45] <artag> so .. it's complaining it doesn't know how to run the emulator ?
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[22:46] <Davespice> yes, I presume so, and I have no idea how to solve this, according to the instructions on kimondo.co.uk it should just run and then you choose which rom to load
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[22:46] <plugwash> so you are trying to run an emulator under riscos on the Pi?
[22:46] <artag> will it fit on a 2 gig card ?
[22:46] <plugwash> what is the emulator intended to run on?
[22:46] <Davespice> as far as I know, on the Pi
[22:47] <artag> it's intended to run arm2 riscos apps under arm6 riscos i think
[22:48] <plugwash> hmm,all I can suggest is contacting the guy who released it
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[22:48] <plugwash> it does seem strange that a pre-canned image intended for use on the Pi wouldn't work
[22:49] <artag> it may be that he's installed some other app and forgotten to document it
[22:49] <Davespice> yeah that must be it
[22:50] <artag> probably something fairly popular if he hasn't had a lot of complaints
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[22:51] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[22:52] <Davespice> well... someone else has posted on the Pi forums complaining they can't get it working either
[22:52] <artag> is there a riscos irc channel ?
[22:52] <Davespice> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=22240&p=212349#p212349 - see the comment from Trixer above, I had the same problem as him before I realised you must unzip the zip file under Risc OS and not prior to transferring the files
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[22:53] <Davespice> yeah there is, it has about 5 people in it, I've just tried to see if any of them are awake
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[22:54] <artag> any clues on the arcem site ?
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[22:54] <Davespice> not really
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[22:55] <[deXter]> Guys, did you know that Element 14 was originally Acorn Computers Ltd - which produced the famous BBC Micro? O_o
[22:55] <artag> no, it wasn't
[22:56] <plugwash> [deXter], trading names aren't nessacerally unique
[22:56] <artag> element 14 was Pace
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[22:56] <artag> the new element 14 is just a part of farnell
[22:56] <[deXter]> artag, http://web.archive.org/web/19990506183321/www.acorn.co.uk/acorn/news/press/e14qa.html
[22:56] <Davespice> Arm Holdings was Acorn wasn't it?
[22:57] <[deXter]> it was part of Acorn - a subsidary
[22:57] <plugwash> Acorn did rename themselves to element 14 at one point
[22:57] <artag> Acorn begat Arm. Then Acorn was dying, and badged itself as element 14 to make set top boxes with Pace
[22:58] <plugwash> but that element 14 has nothing to do with the element 14 that exists today
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[22:58] <[deXter]> well that's a pretty incredible co-incidence
[22:58] <artag> in fact, there was a short overlap, but I think by then the Acorn company was so moribund they didn't care that farnell had used the name
[22:59] <artag> element 14 is Silicon
[22:59] <artag> maybe they even bought the name
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[23:06] <artag> have you tried arcem under unix ?
[23:06] <artag> sounds less painful than having to run riscos
[23:07] <[deXter]> Speaking of RiscOS, anyone got WiFi working?
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[23:10] <steve_rox> riscos with wifi eh :-)
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[23:11] <steve_rox> i have some old floppys here somewhere with riscos files on it but i have nothing that can read em as far as i know
[23:13] <[deXter]> I would love to see QNX on the Pi :)
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[23:19] <Mehhh> Anyone here doing internal lapdock mods?
[23:19] <artag> i'm getting the same error as you
[23:24] <hadifarnoud> forgive me if unrelated, anyone knows a osx command for gist?
[23:27] <hadifarnoud> nevermind. found it
[23:27] <artag> Davespice: still there ?
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[23:36] <artag> although i dislike riscos, i have to say it runs pretty well on the pi
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[23:42] <Davespice> yes
[23:42] <Davespice> yeah it is nice and smooth
[23:43] <Davespice> boots up from cold in about 6 seconds or something thereabouts
[23:43] <artag> it seems all the filetypes are missing from the contents of that zipfile
[23:43] * Davespice desperatly wants to play Archimedes Elite on it
[23:43] <Davespice> yeah, I have just learn that a lot of them should be marked as obey type files
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[23:43] <artag> yeah
[23:43] <artag> not suer if other types need to be set too
[23:44] <Davespice> so at some point the zip has become mangled
[23:44] <artag> i think it's been zipped with plain zip instead of !SparkFS
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[23:45] <X-warrior> I have a Sandisk microSDHC 8gb class 10 and I can't get it working with rapsberry pi, but in elinux list says it is compatible (with the latest 2012-10-28 raspbian)
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[23:45] <X-warrior> I tried with a regular SD and it works
[23:45] <X-warrior> any ideas?
[23:46] <Tachyon`> Davespice, no elite for us as yet
[23:46] <Tachyon`> need Aemulor Pro
[23:46] <Tachyon`> and it hasn't been ported yet, although I read work is ongoing
[23:46] <Davespice> Tachyon`: http://kimondo.co.uk/elite-making-a-game-that-looks-as-good-as-the-box-art/ <-- have you read this though?
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[23:47] <Tachyon`> although my pandora build could probably be built on the pi but I'd rather not attract the attention of Braben
[23:47] <Tachyon`> oh yes, I've seen that
[23:47] <Tachyon`> pledged 20 quid and a kick up the arse for braben
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[23:48] <Davespice> the guy who wrote that article also posted a zip file, which is apparently everything you need to make Arc Elite run
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[23:48] <Davespice> and I've been banging my head against a wall since about 7 this evening trying to make it work :)
[23:48] * Davespice bangs some more
[23:48] <Tachyon`> how?
[23:48] <Tachyon`> it's a 26 bit application
[23:48] <Tachyon`> can you point me at the zip file?
[23:49] <Davespice> the zip file contains !ArcEm, a Risc OS 3 Rom, and Arc Elite
[23:49] <Tachyon`> if it contained 32 bit replacements for binaries
[23:49] <Tachyon`> oh right
[23:49] <Tachyon`> well, yes, you can do it that way
[23:49] <Tachyon`> I thought you meant on the pi
[23:49] <Davespice> there is a screen shot of him playing it
[23:49] <Tachyon`> oh, !ArcEm
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[23:49] <Davespice> problem is I can't get it working, the zip file he has posted has lost all its file types
[23:49] <Tachyon`> I'd quite like to see the zip itself
[23:50] <Tachyon`> they'll be inside the zip surely
[23:50] <Tachyon`> you need to extract it with !SparkPlug
[23:50] <Tachyon`> on the acorn itself
[23:50] <Tachyon`> or I have the original elite on my A3020, I could archive it up as i have !SparkFS on there
[23:50] <Tachyon`> althoguh taht won't help you with !ArcEm
[23:50] <Tachyon`> the rom it probably doesn' tmatter
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[23:51] <Tachyon`> although thinking about it, is not the acorn release of !Elite on Ian Bell's site?
[23:51] <artag> there's sparkfs on the riscos sd image
[23:51] <artag> but it seems to lose the file types
[23:51] <Davespice> Tachyon`: direct link; http://kimondo.co.uk/projects/raspberrypi/ArcEm.zip
[23:51] <artag> you can set them manually if you have the patience
[23:51] <Davespice> yeah
[23:52] <Tachyon`> it appears to have died
[23:52] <Tachyon`> as bigfoot ahs gone
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[23:52] <Tachyon`> also, ~Yoink~
[23:52] <Davespice> I think they are supposed to be of type 'feb'
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[23:52] <artag> yes, setting that gives another error
[23:52] <artag> complains a file isn't a module.
[23:52] <Tachyon`> I should also point out distribution of that rom is a bit dodgy
[23:53] <Tachyon`> oh right, hrm
[23:53] <artag> have to look in the !boot script and find which it is, then make that module-type
[23:53] <artag> yeah, wondered that
[23:54] <Davespice> I am prepared to go through all the files, but I have no idea what each ones type is
[23:54] <artag> best way is to open another app, see what types the files it contains are
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[23:54] <artag> eg look at a !boot, it says it's type 'Obey (feb)'
[23:55] <artag> so set the file type of !Boot and !Run to feb
[23:55] <artag> !Help should be text, fff
[23:55] <Tachyon`> I'm looking on this device now
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[23:57] <Tachyon`> oh, I see
[23:57] <Tachyon`> the zip itself is broken
[23:57] <Tachyon`> ffd everywhere
[23:58] <Tachyon`> still, if just !ArcEm is replaced it should be okay
[23:58] <chuckhendo> Trying to set up my Pi almost like a kiosk - needs to respond kindly the abrupt power offs without corrupting the file system. Tried SD card lock but doesn't seem to work. Any suggestions?
[23:58] <Peetz0r> chuckhendo: what filesystem do you use?
[23:59] <Peetz0r> I use ext4, and pulling the plug has never been a problem for my Pi (and other linux machines)
[23:59] <Davespice> okay, so !Boot=feb, !Help=fff, !Run=feb, !Sprites=Sprite... now when I run !ArcEm it says "This is not a relocatable module" progress??
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