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IRC Log for 2012-11-12

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[0:18] <Sonny_Jim> Hurrupm, broken the SD card socket
[0:18] <Sonny_Jim> Fixed it by soldering on a SD-> MicroSD adapter. It's not pretty but it works
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[0:21] <Tachyon`> oh heh
[0:21] <Tachyon`> I did that fix with my first MID
[0:22] <Tachyon`> it's worth mentioning pound shop card readers are an inexpensive source of SD sockets
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[0:28] <_yac_> what's a pound shop?
[0:28] <Tachyon`> as the name suggests, it's a shop where everything costs a pound
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[0:34] <deflux> like a dollar store
[0:34] <deflux> but...
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[0:39] <flaccid> i thought it was where you buy your pounds of things :p
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[1:26] <sidewalk> so when will we get 1gb mem on the pi?
[1:26] <sidewalk> should one place an order now or wait for the 1gb?
[1:26] <flaccid> how long is a piece of string?
[1:27] <Cembo> There's gonna be a 1GB PI?
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> it is questionable if 1g memory in the form factor will be available
[1:27] <sidewalk> flaccid: you thinking of getting a string enlarger? :-)
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> I haven'tnchecjed though
[1:28] <sidewalk> Cembo: im just asking, cause i didnt know there was going to be a 512mb version, but one day... it was there :)
[1:28] <uski> troll alert
[1:29] <flaccid> more like wanker alert :)
[1:29] <uski> (and I'm waiting for the $25 quad-core 2GHz model F)
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> there are devices with comparable price, and 1g
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> less io though, and support
[1:29] <sidewalk> SpeedEvil: so ive read, hence my question
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> the issue is are ram chips available in the correct electrical and physical layout.
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[1:30] <SpeedEvil> this may not be the case
[1:33] <sidewalk> SpeedEvil: so its an issue for the market?
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> the pi is irrelevant.
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[1:34] <SpeedEvil> the chips may not be made
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> even an order for 250k of them would not be worth starting up a line for
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[1:35] <sidewalk> okey, one can place an order for the 512mb version
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[1:36] <kate_r> hi
[1:37] <kate_r> does anyone know how i can stream from the microphone to a client?
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[1:43] <phire> I don't think the bcm2835 can take more than 512mb of ram
[1:43] <phire> Because of the way the address space is laid out
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[1:45] <phire> The top two bits control the cache, so its down to only 1gb of address space
[1:46] <phire> But then the various io peripherals also have to fit in that 1gb
[1:47] <phire> They start (with the bootrom) at 512mb
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[1:47] <phire> If it did support 1gb, there would be gaps in the memory (like 4gb of ram on a 32bit pc)
[1:48] <phire> and 1gb would be the absolute max
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[1:52] <sidewalk> SpeedEvil: thanks to your support ive just placed an order for another raspberry pi :-)
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[1:54] <sidewalk> does X work alot better on the 512mb version?
[1:54] <Tachyon`> it does if you're running firefox or chrome
[1:54] <Tachyon`> int htat it doesn't swap
[1:54] <Tachyon`> for general use it's unlikely to be that noticable
[1:54] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[1:54] <Tachyon`> although I'd be interested to hear if it makes a noticable difference to raspbmc
[1:54] <Tachyon`> since that does hammer the memory as well as the cpu
[1:55] <flaccid> more ram is always good
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[1:59] <sidewalk> isnt it the cpu that restricts the mem to 1gb maximum?
[2:00] <sidewalk> or the ... arch?
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[2:10] <Neutron18> how much current can the GPIO pins of the RPI provide?
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[2:20] <SpeedEvil> 5ma is probably safe
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[2:28] <Tachyon`> hrm
[2:29] <Tachyon`> bear in mind the pi has no protection at all against overcurrent on those pins
[2:29] <Tachyon`> if you make an error, you will kill the device
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[2:48] <Macer> ok. i have no idea what happened with my pi
[2:48] <Macer> it was running.. froze.. now all i get is a red light
[2:48] <Macer> it doesn't even seem to try to boot :-/
[2:48] <Macer> ugh
[2:48] <Essobi> disk probably trashed itself
[2:49] <Macer> no
[2:49] <Macer> i checked the disk in another linux box
[2:49] <Macer> :-/
[2:49] <Macer> it reads fine
[2:49] <piney0> Macer, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[2:49] <Essobi> Macer: both partitions?
[2:49] <Essobi> Macer: Check TP1/TP2
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[2:49] <Macer> blah. i sure hope that isn't the problem :-/
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[2:50] <Macer> i had the most awesome openelec config ever
[2:50] <Essobi> Did you check both partitions?
[2:50] <Essobi> Cause I had just my ext partition curl up and die a few times.
[2:53] <Macer> yes
[2:53] <Macer> my ext partition is fine
[2:53] <Macer> i'm going to make a raspbmc sd and see
[2:53] <Essobi> well.. only two other things it could be.
[2:54] <Macer> since according to the red power light on and nothing flashing thing
[2:54] <Macer> seems like the sd
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[2:54] <Essobi> Did you do an update recently?
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[2:54] <Macer> oh
[2:54] <Macer> i tried to do it with no cables connected
[2:54] <Macer> and just powered with the sd
[2:54] <Macer> no flashing ok light :-/
[2:55] <Essobi> I think the flashing red means it couldn't load the firmware from the fat partition.
[2:55] <Essobi> Nothing on screen? No rainbow?
[3:01] <Macer> nope
[3:01] <Macer> nothing
[3:01] <Macer> :(
[3:01] <Macer> i hope this thing didn't burn out for some reason or something
[3:01] <fuzz1981> rebuild the fat partition
[3:02] <fuzz1981> maybe try a different sd card
[3:03] <Dan39> hmm would the USB port on my laptop make a decent power supply? haha
[3:03] <Macer> oh
[3:03] <fuzz1981> no
[3:03] <Macer> guess it was the sd
[3:03] <Macer> :-/
[3:03] <Macer> damn that sucks. there goes my openelec install
[3:03] <Macer> i had it perfect
[3:04] <fuzz1981> if the ext filesystem is intact you can migrate it
[3:04] <Dan39> main usb ports on computer usually give out a decent amount of current dont they...
[3:04] <Dan39> imma try it and see :D
[3:04] <fuzz1981> apple USB3 can supply 900mA
[3:05] <Dan39> :| doesnt seem like much
[3:05] <fuzz1981> careful .. you could fry a USB port :)
[3:05] <Dan39> dam thought they put out more
[3:05] <fuzz1981> most will probably detect over current and shut down, but some might be fused
[3:06] <fuzz1981> nah, most devices don't need that much power
[3:06] <fuzz1981> i think i read 750mA somewhere for a pi under load
[3:07] <Dan39> solution: extend the AC, not the DC :P
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[3:10] <Dan39> much better voltage with shorter USB wire from power supply
[3:10] <Dan39> not going below 4.73 under full load
[3:10] <Dan39> up at 4.85 under decent load
[3:10] <Dan39> shiftplusone: looks like the wire was the problem
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[3:12] <sraue> Macer, simply put the content from 3rdparty/bootloader and target/ from the build from http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/ to the fat partition and the rename KERNEL to kernel.img
[3:12] <fuzz1981> still a bit low but should be fine
[3:13] <sraue> maybe backup and later restore your old config.txt from there
[3:13] <Macer> sraue: i will try that later. i just installed raspbmc on another sd to see if it was the SD
[3:14] <Macer> wonder what happened
[3:14] <Macer> odd
[3:14] <Macer> it was working fine for like.. weeks :)
[3:14] <Macer> could be an actual bad sd
[3:14] <Dan39> fuzz1981: yea i think i still need a better wire
[3:14] <Dan39> now im using wire that came with my cell phone :P
[3:14] <Dan39> its shorted at least, but probably not heavier guage
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[3:18] <bcgrown> anyone here been able to write to an i2c device? i can read but my write commands have no effect :(
[3:21] <bcgrown> nm... was missing the mode option. works now, woot!
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[3:22] <fuzz1981> i haven't but i2c should work .. others seem to have it working on the web
[3:23] <bcgrown> yeah, just forgot an option on i2cset
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[3:28] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[3:31] <alcides> what a old network cable
[3:31] <alcides> :P
[3:35] <Viper> rikkib: image is on raspberrypi? :D
[3:36] <rikkib> What do you mean... That is a pic I took of my stuff
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[3:39] <Goleif> Hi! I'm trying to add an NFS source as a video source in XBMC. But the RPi just freezes for ~10 seconds and then absolutely nothing happens. No folders shown or anything. Anyone who has experienced the same thing and fixed it?
[3:39] <rikkib> RPi + STM32V embedded system + switches + relays + relay buffer + 2A DC - DC
[3:40] <rikkib> Debug interface and pl2303 module to debug serial.
[3:42] <invisiblek> Goleif, are you adding the nfs source from within xbmc?
[3:42] <invisiblek> might be better off ssh'ing in and mounting it
[3:43] <invisiblek> then adding the local path in xbmc
[3:44] <Goleif> invisiblek: Yes I am. I don't really have any unix skills (unfortunately). Should I just use "mount -t path path" then?
[3:45] <fuzz1981> http://www.flickr.com/photos/89957509@N03/8177478524/
[3:45] <invisiblek> probably best off googling how to mount an nfs share, depending on your situation there may be more variables here than i care to work with haha
[3:46] <invisiblek> as long as you can ssh to it, it should be pretty easy
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[3:46] <invisiblek> lol fuzz1981 why?
[3:47] <fuzz1981> why not? :D
[3:48] <invisiblek> heh
[3:48] <invisiblek> i was unaware you could power it from gpio
[3:48] <Goleif> invisiblek: Thanks. Good night.
[3:48] <invisiblek> that's pretty cool
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[3:49] <fuzz1981> yep .. just feed it regulated 5v
[3:49] <fuzz1981> using a mini box ATX DC-DC PSU
[3:49] <invisiblek> my pi is going into this: http://invisiblek.imgur.com/all/
[3:49] <invisiblek> bleh
[3:49] <invisiblek> stupid link haha
[3:49] <invisiblek> http://i.imgur.com/fBhxU.jpg
[3:49] <invisiblek> that ^
[3:49] <invisiblek> so i might consider using the gpio instead now that i know about it
[3:50] <fuzz1981> nice
[3:50] <fuzz1981> i'm mostly playing with custom clustering protocols/algorithms .. my office has enough full blown heat generating computers in it :)
[3:51] <invisiblek> heh
[3:54] <bcgrown> anyone know a good auto-highlighting/auto-indenting text editor for writing Python in Linux? and no i'm not going to use vim or emacs. :)
[3:55] <invisiblek> nano
[3:55] <invisiblek> maybe? (not sure if it does python)
[3:56] <invisiblek> yep, it appears it acn
[3:56] <invisiblek> can*
[3:56] <Dan39> vim
[3:57] <bcgrown> what, how does nano do python? gedit is good but doesn't indent
[3:57] <bcgrown> /slap Dan39
[3:57] <invisiblek> http://askubuntu.com/questions/90013/syntax-highlighting-on-nano
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[4:03] <fuzz1981> vim ftw
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[4:04] <bcgrown> vim gives me an urge to murder
[4:05] <fuzz1981> muder other editors? yes. i totally agree
[4:05] <fuzz1981> *murder
[4:06] <Hodapp> ...
[4:06] * Hodapp calmly looks for ammunition
[4:06] <bcgrown> murder whoever invented vim
[4:07] <fuzz1981> once you learn vi commands you'll never go back
[4:07] <bcgrown> invisiblek: nano highlighting works fine, still doesn't do indenting though. :(
[4:07] <invisiblek> =/
[4:07] <bcgrown> i tried once. ended up spending more time trying to find the commands than actually writing code
[4:07] <fuzz1981> you get the hang of it :)
[4:08] <bcgrown> also it's stone-age. i am running a pretty GUI already, I want to use it.
[4:08] <fuzz1981> guis are just for managing term windows :)
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[4:09] <bcgrown> maybe if you're stuck in the past
[4:09] <fuzz1981> but i know where you're coming from lol .. i can get a lot more done in eclipse than vi
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[4:15] <bcgrown> http://wiki.erazor-zone.de/wiki:linux:python:smbus:doc <-- is this really all the documentation for python-smbus??
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[4:35] <novusordo> came home today to find a package from RS :D
[4:38] <rikkib> Man 14K of hosts.deny file
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[4:43] <KnightMustard> Hey. I'm on Raspbian and when I try to install a package I'm told "Install packages without verification [y/N]". Did I do something? How do I fix that?
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[5:08] <fuzz1981> did you change the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
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[5:10] <KnightMustard> fuzz1981: No. Not unless the setup menu did anything without me knowing about it.
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[5:12] <fuzz1981> try doing aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
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[5:17] <KnightMustard> fuzz1981: We may have to do this another night. I'm getting 2000 B/s right now
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[5:18] <fuzz1981> what does cat /etc/apt/sources.list show?
[5:20] <KnightMustard> fuzz1981: deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
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[5:20] <fuzz1981> hmm yep that's correct .. usually isn't that slow
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[5:27] <KnightMustard> fuzz1981: Files are verified now. Thanks
[5:32] <fuzz1981> np
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[6:31] <ricardo> hi, where can I get the instructions to rebuild the Raspberry Pi Fedora Remix image?
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[6:51] <hotwings> [19:38:14] <rikkib> Man 14K of hosts.deny file <-- lol
[6:57] <rigid> ricardo: use gentoo :)
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[7:02] <ricardo> rigid: link?
[7:02] <rigid> ricardo: gentoo.org
[7:03] <rigid> ricardo: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
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[7:09] <ricardo> rigid: thanks
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[7:16] <rikkib> Add a 100 lines of deny ip blocks /8 /16 /24 in one of my apache web sites
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[10:11] <Vanfanel> hi there
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[10:12] <Vanfanel> I'm trying to implement a triple buffer with dispmanx, but I found that, having write_data() being called in a different thread from the update_start() ... update_submit() section causes a deadlock
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[10:13] <Vanfanel> furher investigation in the userland code show that those three functions have their own mutex lock obtained and released on their critical sections, so that shouldn't happen
[10:14] <Vanfanel> I also tried to isolate the code section of update_start() and update_submit() within my own pthreads mutex, but I'm still getting the same deadlock
[10:14] <Vanfanel> Any help would be useful
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[10:46] <Mr_P> Hej hej!
[10:46] <Mr_P> Anyone in who can help me with watchdog?
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> pat the dog.
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[11:00] <artag> i've had a play with it, and patting isn't the problem. It won't bite.
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[11:02] <Mr_P> Hmm... I tried to configure it, but it didn't worked.
[11:03] <Mr_P> Or correct... it didn't stopped to work. ;-)
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[11:04] <jondot> hey guys. so after a week with a raspbian on SD card, looks like it wont boot and reinstalling gets me tons of I/O errors
[11:04] <jondot> this means SD card is now broken?
[11:04] <steve_rox> could do
[11:05] <steve_rox> installing from a master image file?
[11:06] <jondot> what do you mean?
[11:07] <steve_rox> usually you download a image file
[11:07] <steve_rox> and write to the sd
[11:07] <jondot> well actually i'm using raspbmc which is based on raspbian. with time i just used it both as streamer and as local home server
[11:07] <steve_rox> least in windows
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[11:07] <jondot> yes, thats what I did. I wrote the installer to SD, then let it boot from RPI and it downloaded everything etc
[11:08] <steve_rox> i guess check the sd card in windows using chkdsk or whatever , try another sd
[11:08] <steve_rox> thats 2 options i can think of at moment
[11:09] <jondot> these things are so crappy like floppies??
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[11:10] <steve_rox> they dont ususally break that easy
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[11:10] <steve_rox> but they are somewhat easy to corrupt from OC or sudden removal and maybe power failure
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[11:12] <jondot> so when you say corrupt is this like garbage corrupt?
[11:12] <steve_rox> nah
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[11:13] <jondot> so what do i do with such card
[11:13] <steve_rox> its really hard to tell over a text based chat interface
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[11:13] <steve_rox> i just suggest testing another sd in it to eliminate a few possiblitys
[11:14] <Opinie> mind my butting in? does jondot's got a bad card, does he?
[11:14] <Opinie> *-s
[11:14] <jondot> i put a new one now, it starts installation again just fine
[11:14] <steve_rox> not sure
[11:14] <steve_rox> im near about to pass out
[11:14] <Opinie> k
[11:15] <steve_rox> could try read/write tests in windows on it
[11:15] <jondot> Opinie: well yea, it was fine for a week but thats it. i'd give it like total 10 hours of operation on an Rpi as a streamer
[11:15] <Opinie> erm. did you over clock it much?
[11:15] <Opinie> *overclock
[11:15] <jondot> no, i don't even know how to do that
[11:15] <Opinie> ok
[11:15] <jondot> i'm using raspbmc out of the box
[11:16] <jondot> can i low level format this thing or in any way return it to factory settings or is this got like a physical sector bad
[11:17] <jondot> i find it hard to believe that this thing has sectors that can die.. its not like it is magnetic or sth
[11:17] <steve_rox> full formatting it on any device should display any errors i think?
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[11:17] <jondot> well i got a ton of IO errors from RPi when i attempted to reinstall a fresh raspbmc distro on it
[11:18] <steve_rox> IO error suggests communication tho , a dead sector etc i doubt would create that error?
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[11:18] <jondot> i see. well i'll try some kind of low-level format.. see how that can be done
[11:19] <steve_rox> shove it into windows and tell it to full format it?
[11:19] <steve_rox> i dunno im too sleepy for this now
[11:19] <Tachyon`> that won't work
[11:19] <jondot> yea will do
[11:19] <jondot> thanks
[11:20] <Tachyon`> the windows full format merely verifies
[11:20] <Tachyon`> you need to fill the card with data
[11:20] <Tachyon`> then format it
[11:20] <Tachyon`> to make sure naything bad is remapped
[11:20] <jondot> hmm.. ok i can do that too
[11:20] <jondot> it matters how many files?
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[11:20] <Tachyon`> one file if it uses the whole card
[11:20] <steve_rox> what about chkdsk with full sector checking
[11:20] <jondot> k
[11:20] <Tachyon`> does that actually write to the sectors?
[11:21] <steve_rox> it tests them
[11:21] <steve_rox> so i assume yes
[11:21] <Tachyon`> but does it WRITE to them
[11:21] <Tachyon`> a lot of things test by merely reading
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[11:21] <steve_rox> then i dont know
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[11:38] <Sonny_Jim> Is there any way to install emulators on OpenELEC?
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[11:38] <n1ko> first hit with google and "openelec emulators" http://openelec.tv/forum/128-addons/38614-openelec-game-console-emulators
[11:38] <Sonny_Jim> I think that link is for x86
[11:39] <n1ko> yes..?
[11:39] <Sonny_Jim> I was wondering more along the lines of RetroArch
[11:39] <Sonny_Jim> But I think I'll need to get a stock Rasbian image and install Retroarch and XBMC
[11:39] <n1ko> afaik theres nothing ready, but copying those guys efforts shouldn't be too hard
[11:39] <jondot> i have a theory
[11:39] <n1ko> just compiling the packages to arm and s on
[11:39] <jondot> does it take extra-power during installation?
[11:40] <n1ko> jondot: nope
[11:40] <jondot> b/c i have rigged my pi into my TV USB port
[11:40] <jondot> it didn't even install on the new card - i got 'i/o' error
[11:40] <n1ko> hook up proper power, i bet your tv cant supply 700mAh
[11:40] <jondot> looks like everything now works on the old card + connecting to power outlet
[11:40] <jondot> n1ko: it worked for a week, today i got the SD corrupted
[11:41] <n1ko> might be or might not be related, but easy to rule out
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[11:42] <artag> has anyone done a distro where the card is always readonly, so it's immune from power failures ?
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[11:51] <steve_rox> need some tiny form of UPS for pi's to prevent total power failure ;-)
[11:55] <Tachyon`> like a pack of AA NiMHs and a charging circuit?
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[12:00] <Jck_true> steve_rox: I bought one of thoose tiny solar usb charging things
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[12:03] <steve_rox> oh?
[12:05] <Jck_true> steve_rox: http://furyfire.info/raspberrypi/accessories.pdf
[12:05] <Jck_true> steve_rox: Page 2 :)
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[12:06] <artag> it runs nicely off a phone charger battery. Haven't tried simultaneously chaarging it, but if that works it would make a perfect UPS
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[12:08] <Jck_true> artag: I ran a split cable.. Not entirely sure if thats safe hardware wise on the charger battery
[12:08] <Jck_true> But it works :)
[12:09] <artag> the pack i've got has a USB outlet to the pi and a mini-b inlet for power, so should be easy
[12:10] <artag> but that solar setup is crazy cheap
[12:10] <Jck_true> artag: It's also crazy bad :)
[12:10] <artag> heh
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[12:10] <Jck_true> that 2600mAh battery is like 1000mAh actual
[12:10] <Jck_true> And you can forget about charging it on the solar...
[12:11] <Jck_true> Took me 1?? days to charge it
[12:11] <Jck_true> (Through a window but still)
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[12:22] <xranby> Jck_true: i wish i had ordered to extra raspberry pi instead on one of these solar recharable usb battery packs :)
[12:22] <xranby> two
[12:23] <xranby> Jck_true: i found a similar model here in sweden
[12:23] <Jck_true> xranby: Yeah mine is broken to peices at home right now actually - I wanted to check the actuall size of the battery
[12:23] <Jck_true> And didn't notice a screw hidden under a sticker
[12:23] <Jck_true> Meaning i ripped the casing in two...
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[12:24] <Jck_true> So now the panel is just wired to a voltmeter as a little display
[12:24] <Jck_true> And the battery is just floating on a shelf
[12:24] <xranby> Jck_true: i with the electronics parts for this kind of item would be easily ordered from element14
[12:24] <xranby> wish
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[12:24] <xranby> which
[12:25] * xranby sends apology to all English speakers
[12:25] <artag> i have a little pack from oyama-mobility that says it's 2000mAh. But I suspect that's the pack itself at a typical lithium 3.7V. Once it's boosted to 5V, it's pulling a fair bit more out of the pack than is going to the load
[12:27] <xranby> and Cymraeg speakers, i really should study more languages.
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[12:29] <Jck_true> artag: It is... Just a plain lithium battery wrapped in tin foil and soldered to a stepup converter...
[12:30] <Jck_true> Talking about all this... Anybody know of a OS suitable for the RasPi that could survive reboots like that?
[12:30] <Jck_true> I'm thinking something could mount the SD in read only
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[12:31] <artag> that's what I was asking earlier. it's possible to configure linux so it mounts the disk read-only and keeps all its temporary files in ram. then if it reboots, it loses temporary stuff but the disk isn't corrupt
[12:31] <xranby> Jck_true: edit /etc/fstab and use something like:
[12:31] <xranby> tmpfs /lib/init/rw tmpfs rw,nosuid,mode=0755 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> varrun /var/run tmpfs rw,nosuid,mode=0755 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> varlock /var/lock tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,noatime 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> tmpfs /var/lib tmpfs defaults,noatime 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> tmpfs /var/cache/apt tmpfs defaults,noatime 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> tmpfs /etc/network/run tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0
[12:31] <xranby> /dev/sda1 / ext3 noatime,ro 0 1
[12:32] <artag> you also need to move logfiles and /var stuff off though
[12:32] <xranby> Jck_true: the idea is to keep all system log folders in a tmpfs
[12:32] <xranby> and then your system should boot fine using read only
[12:33] <Jck_true> Let me just make a note of that :)
[12:33] <Jck_true> Maybe even extend the FAT32 portion
[12:33] <Jck_true> Let it write it write occasional logs to that
[12:34] <Jck_true> (Make sure I write only a sepcific times and close the file the moment I'm done)
[12:34] <artag> the best thing for logs is to syslog them over the network to another machine
[12:34] <xranby> Jck_true: you can have a script to enable "service mode"
[12:35] <xranby> sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[12:35] <xranby> umount /var/cache/apt/
[12:35] <xranby> umount /var/log/
[12:35] <xranby> umount /var/lib/
[12:35] <xranby> and then after updating packages re enter ro-mode
[12:35] <xranby> sudo mount -o remount,ro /
[12:35] <xranby> mount /var/lib/
[12:35] <xranby> mount /var/log/
[12:35] <xranby> mount /var/cache/apt/
[12:35] <Jck_true> I'm working on the idea of turning the Raspi into a small PLC unit that's programmable over a web browser
[12:36] <Jck_true> After you finished configuring it the setup will be written to the FAT32 part
[12:36] <Jck_true> (So it's easy to backup and recover on a windows maschine
[12:36] <Jck_true> Sorry - My english is pretty horrible today
[12:36] <artag> you could have an additional fat32 partition for that, keep the boot partition safe
[12:37] <Jck_true> My biggest issue is creating some form of web ui for a plc language...
[12:37] <xranby> Jck_true: i have tested running debian systems in read only mode for over a year on 70+ installations using the above method
[12:38] <Jck_true> xranby: I didn't even know it was that easy - I was having all sorts of ideas about finding linux in the 2.6 branch and loading everything into a ram in a miniefied system etc etc
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[13:33] * bagpuss_thecat lols
[13:33] <bagpuss_thecat> so, I have a loop that fades up or down my LED lighting under the kitchen cabinets, and it's driven by a Raspberry Pi
[13:34] <bagpuss_thecat> I've occasionally wondered why it's not as... smooth or continuous, as it could be
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> scheduling
[13:34] <bagpuss_thecat> evidently I left X running on startup :-)
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> haha
[13:34] <bagpuss_thecat> swirl is randomly consuming various amounts of cpu time
[13:34] <bagpuss_thecat> hence why the variations in speed were never even :-)
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[13:39] <Datalink> heh, screen saver would throw off scheduling
[13:41] <bagpuss_thecat> yah
[13:41] <bagpuss_thecat> just installing SNMP on it so I can prod it with Nagios and Cacti, before disabling slim later today
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[13:52] * linuxstb thanks RS for their generosity - "Thank you for your continued patience in waiting for your Raspberry Pi order. By way of an extra thank you, we?re pleased to let you know that your order for a 256MB Raspberry Pi Model B board will be upgraded to a 512MB revision 2 version of Raspberry Pi."
[13:53] * n1ko thinks that you are crazy for putting up with that
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[13:54] <Maqs> btw, where on earth can I find my order number? I can only find an order reference number that is much lower than those in the FAQ..
[13:55] <linuxstb> n1ko: I already have 4 PIs from Farnell. I need a fifth, but not urgently, so it's not a real problem. RS is entertaining in their incompetence?
[13:57] <n1ko> not really :)
[13:58] <Armand> So glad I didn't order mine from RS.
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[14:04] <SpeedEvil> why 4pi?
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[14:05] <BurtyB> Armand, me too - I've had 5 so far all delivered next day from CPC :)
[14:05] <Armand> \o/
[14:05] <Armand> I bought from modmypi, waited 4 days.
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[14:07] <Macer> wtf
[14:07] <Macer> i did a fresh install
[14:07] <Macer> i changed a few settings
[14:07] <Macer> set the oc to "super"
[14:07] <Macer> or the next step up from normal
[14:07] <Macer> reboot a few times
[14:07] <Macer> this time around.. kernel panic not syncing vfs
[14:07] <Macer> unable to mount root fs on unknown lbock
[14:07] <Macer> seriously?
[14:08] <Jck_true> Macer: You might have trouble with high overclock settings...
[14:08] <Jck_true> Macer: It's a hit and miss with your SD card and CPU
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[14:09] <Macer> yeah but now my sd is trashed
[14:09] <Macer> what a waste of life that was
[14:09] <Jck_true> you can fsck it on a linux maschine...
[14:09] <Macer> plus the slight step up from the next up setting is really conservative
[14:09] <Jck_true> Macer: Oh you only did one step up?
[14:09] <Jck_true> That sounds weird
[14:10] <Macer> yes
[14:11] <Jck_true> I've only had one SD card die on me - And it came to life after an fsck on a differnt system
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[14:12] <Macer> no
[14:12] <Macer> that didn't wrok
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[14:15] <Macer> ugh
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[14:48] <gazzwi86> So is there a electronic device I could use to detect distance?
[14:48] <gazzwi86> I'm thinking a laser that detects where it is broken
[14:48] <Hodapp> gazzwi86: There are ultrasound distance detectors that are fairly cheap, I believe.
[14:50] <gazzwi86> Well I wanted to create a 36 key keyboard and was thinking what the smallest number of devices I could use to do it
[14:50] <gazzwi86> I would use a webcam
[14:51] <gazzwi86> but I want to detect when the foot hits the floor or at least close to it
[14:51] <harbaum> depends on the application. For short ranges these optical sharp sensors are nice: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/articles/sharp/sharp.html
[14:53] <harbaum> utrasonic devices don't work that well on short distances and only have a low resultion in time as you have to wait for all echoes until you can start another conversion
[14:54] <harbaum> But the "number of devices" is difficult. Do these sensors count as one device? If yes, why doesn't a complete keyboard?
[14:57] <Macer> hm. no jabber plugin for xbmc huh? :)
[14:57] <gazzwi86> Well I have another issue, I can't drop a source of relocation down
[14:57] <Macer> i have to rebuild my movie/show databases
[14:57] <Macer> :-/
[14:57] <Macer> this should take 10 hours
[14:57] <gazzwi86> reflection*
[14:57] <Macer> going to dd this damn sd once i get the chance
[14:58] <gazzwi86> I'm projecting onto a public street and need to have all the tech mounted on a wall
[14:58] <harbaum> These don'tneed reflectors.Tey work well on nearly anything
[14:59] <gazzwi86> harbaum: do they need a wall or something to reflect of then?
[14:59] <gazzwi86> or would it just been the foot
[14:59] <artag> this uses the Sharp sensors http://publicinterventions.org/phantom-railings/
[15:00] <artag> but they're aimed at chest level rather than foot
[15:01] <harbaum> that shouln't make much of a difference
[15:01] <artag> i think they're the older analog ones though rather than the ones harbaum linked
[15:02] <artag> Type 2Y0A02
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[15:04] <artag> I don't really understand how you mean to arrange them, but I don't think they'd work well to distinguish a foot on the ground from a foot slightly lifted
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[15:05] <artag> unless it was a short range version that's UNDER the foot
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[15:08] <gordonDrogon> *sigh* why do people make websites fixed for a particular width..
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[15:09] <artag> Because all the world's a <insert my computer model here>
[15:10] <anildigital> Anybody recommend file system format for my 1TB Western Digital harddrive?
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[15:12] <anildigital> I want to use it with mac and raspberry pi
[15:12] <Hodapp> anildigital: you want to use it on a Mac? Good luck.
[15:13] <anildigital> Hodapp: why?
[15:13] <anildigital> both raspberry and mac
[15:13] <Hodapp> anildigital: because of the huge array of FSes that Linux supports natively, OS X supports damn near zero of them.
[15:13] <Hodapp> just about the only ones I can think of are FAT and NTFS (if you abuse that 'native' term quite a bit)
[15:13] <anildigital> Hodapp: :(
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[15:14] <anildigital> NTFS works with rPi?
[15:14] <Hodapp> you might be able to get the drivers for it working.
[15:14] <applegekko> yes all linux distros support ntfs
[15:14] <Hodapp> applegekko: *all* of them?
[15:14] <Hodapp> I highly doubt that.
[15:14] <applegekko> its built into the kernel
[15:15] <anildigital> applegekko: should I go ahead and format it with ntfs support?
[15:16] <Hodapp> Are you talking about ntfs-3g? That's explicitly not a part of the kernel.
[15:16] <Hodapp> anildigital: if you do format it, I wouldn't put anything important on it yet.
[15:16] <anildigital> Hodapp: hmm ntfs 3g and nffs are different?
[15:17] <applegekko> ntfs 3g is the module
[15:17] <Hodapp> applegekko: and it's FUSE, which means it's in userspace, not the kernel.
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[15:18] <applegekko> actually hes right, i'm chattin shit
[15:18] <Hodapp> :P
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[15:18] <Hodapp> it's also what you have to use on OS X, I believe
[15:19] <Hodapp> now, there might be an ext2 userspace driver on OS X too
[15:19] <Hodapp> and then your Linux support is much easier to handle
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[15:21] <anildigital> Hodapp: you are suggesting ext2?
[15:22] <Hodapp> anildigital: if OS X can read ext2/3 (I know there is a project to do this in userspace but I know little about it) then I would definitely say to do that over NTFS
[15:22] <anildigital> back to suqare one.. what should be the file system format for 1TB usb harddrive.. which would be connected to mainly RPi and sometimes in a month or so to a Mac machine?
[15:23] <anildigital> my existing one is hfs
[15:23] <anildigital> and it's not getting detected well on Rpi?
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[15:25] <anildigital> okay... different question.. what would be the best file system for Rpi?
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[15:25] <anildigital> fo usb harddisk
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> an alternative might be to put the disk into a NAS type service - then both can access it via the LAN ...
[15:26] <applegekko> ext4
[15:26] <applegekko> btrfs
[15:26] <woozly> Guys, I have 16Gb SD Card, but after burning it with wheezy, I see not all space
[15:26] <woozly> how to get my space back?
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> boot it and run the raspi-config ...
[15:27] <chithead> you need to increase the size of the partition
[15:27] <woozly> oh.. good, thank you guys!
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> doing it on the Pi is easier. you get the menu automatically at first boot time.
[15:27] <Hodapp> Don't use btrfs, it's half-baked and unstable.
[15:28] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: that's what I ended up doing.
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> yea, seems the easiest way these days.
[15:28] <Hodapp> ext2/3/4 are good, but you may not find good cross-platform ext4 support. OS X has drivers for reading ext2/3 at least, but it sounds like writing is unreliable.
[15:28] <anildigital> looking at http://superuser.com/questions/392702/which-file-system-to-use-in-between-osx-and-linux
[15:29] <anildigital> I already have hfs+
[15:29] <woozly> and question: I use simple usb keyboard (genius kb-120) but It want not to work :/
[15:30] <advisor> i would recommend fat32
[15:30] <woozly> why? It hasn't any usb hubs
[15:30] <woozly> any additional leds
[15:30] <woozly> etc..
[15:30] <anildigital> Hodapp, applegekko: whaat does this error mean? https://gist.github.com/9f321594fb0fbb1b3c2e
[15:31] <Hodapp> advisor: that may be the only one that works, as sucky as it would be
[15:32] <Hodapp> 4 TB FS and can't make > 4 GB files...
[15:32] <Hodapp> er, 1 TB FS
[15:33] <anildigital> Hodapp: is it power issue.. my drive is not powered
[15:33] <anildigital> but i dont think it's related to power
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[15:38] <Davespice> crikey, I'm finding Arc Elite really hard, it's either harder than I remember of my reflexes are rubbish in my old age =)
[15:38] <artag> linux may have problems using fat32 for the whole fs. it doesn't have proper file attributes so it can't express o/g/w permissions correctly
[15:39] <Vanfanel> Davespice: are you playing it natively on Risc OS?
[15:39] <higuita> artag: in the past (kernel 2.0 times maybe), there existed umsdos, its the fat32+a file storing all the permissions... i dont know if that exists today
[15:40] <Vanfanel> Davespice: or are you emulating with ArcEm?
[15:40] <Davespice> Vanfanel: ArcEm
[15:40] <Davespice> on Pi
[15:40] <artag> no, I don't. But I tried to use ssh on a Mac that a fat32 home directory and it wouldn't work
[15:40] <Vanfanel> Davespice: ArcEm has A LOT of tearing...
[15:40] <artag> s/that/with/
[15:40] <Davespice> I can't seem to get flight controls on the keyboard to work
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[16:00] <devswap> whats the model of the new pi with increased memory?
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[16:02] <Armand> Model B.
[16:02] <devswap> armand: thanks - are there any issues with it - I think the previous one had problems from one supplier but not another?
[16:02] <Armand> Unknown.. I have no issues with mine.
[16:03] <Armand> I bought mine in the UK, from modmypi.
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[16:40] <anildigital> okay so now I formatted my usb harddrive with ext4 .. now is getting this error now https://gist.github.com/4465902f8d8ec75b57e4
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[16:42] <n1ko> and you attached the hard drive to a non powered port on pi / usb hub? :)
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[17:21] <bagpuss_thecat> \o/
[17:21] <Armand> .o.
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[17:26] <Cheery> I think I'll make my first contribution to raspberry pi foundation's codebase, and try to figure out what that eglGetDisplay + nodejs bug actually is.
[17:27] <Cheery> the userbase is available and compilable now right?
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[17:47] <fuzz1981> mmmm pi
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[17:49] <DexterLB> is there a place where I can purchase an SDHC that is guaranteed to work at a relatively high speed? Buying a card from an everyday store or ebay seems to end up with a piece of crap that can barely do 2mb/s, regardless of its class, in 50% of the cases
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[17:49] <[SLB]> sandisk from amazon
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[17:53] <zmo> hello
[17:54] <bparker> hi
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[17:54] <zmo> I dd'ed the raspbian image on a sdcard, and when I want to boot, I need to plug/unplug 15 times
[17:55] <zmo> once it boots, I got like 45s before it crashes with io errors
[17:55] <pecorade> Hi.
[17:55] <zmo> (I got a rev.A rasppi)
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[17:55] <fuzz1981> my sandisk extreme 16gb work very well
[17:56] <zmo> I tried to google about it, but I can't find posts about that category of problems
[17:56] <zmo> (got a sandisk 4G)
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[17:56] <fuzz1981> 20MB/sec .. 4k random is 750KB/sec
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[18:07] <anildigital> n1ko: yes
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[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm
[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://piregistration.element14.com/signup.html
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[18:13] <frxstrem> does anyone know how to get ASCII video playback (over a regular SSH connection) working in VLC in Rasbian?
[18:15] <Matt> ascii video playback?
[18:15] <Matt> like aalib?
[18:15] <frxstrem> I think it's libcaca it uses
[18:15] <frxstrem> But when I try it (it's default when DISPLAY isn't), I don't get any video output (nor audio output)
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[18:37] <mhz> ello
[18:38] <Armand> Herro!
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[19:10] <PhotoJim> raspbi-config seems to be missing on this installation (first time using it non-headlessly). where should it be located?
[19:11] <rikkib> raspi-config
[19:11] <PhotoJim> root@fernleigh:/bin# raspbi-config
[19:11] <PhotoJim> bash: raspbi-config: command not found
[19:11] <arcanescu> not bi
[19:11] <PhotoJim> oh, raspi
[19:11] <PhotoJim> heh
[19:12] <DexterLB> in the newest raspbian image, is the OK LED on the raspberry pi used to indicate something?
[19:12] <PhotoJim> ding. thanks.
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[19:12] <DexterLB> it keeps blinking randomly
[19:12] <nid0> it indicates ok-ness
[19:12] <NucWin> and sd access
[19:12] <arcanescu> it means usually its alive
[19:12] <DexterLB> ty :)
[19:13] <arcanescu> now if doesnt blink... get the crash cart cpr etc
[19:13] <arcanescu> :]
[19:13] <DexterLB> lol
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[19:15] <DexterLB> hmm, I have a chinese hdmi->vga cable, and I'm trying to use it with the rpi, so far no luck
[19:15] <DexterLB> regular hdmi output to a DVI monitor works
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[19:16] <DexterLB> those hdmi->vga cables, they are supposed to need RGB colour format on the hdmi, right?
[19:16] <artag> yeah, simple cables won't convert digital from rpi into analog for vga
[19:17] <plugwash> Some vendors are selling passive HDMI-VGA cables, these will only work if the device specifically supports a non-standard analog mode on it's HDMI connector and the sellers offering them without making this extremely clear are IMO selling goods that are not fit for purpose
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[19:21] <DexterLB> plugwash: the one I have said that it converts digital to analogue, and that it works for any HD receiver/player/videocard
[19:21] <DexterLB> I am however very sceptic
[19:22] <DexterLB> doing so would require digital processing, DACs etc
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[19:22] <plugwash> active converter cables certainly do exist and at least some of them work on the Pi
[19:23] <DexterLB> doubt that it can all be fit inside such a tiny connector, and even if it is possible, only for $10?!
[19:23] <DexterLB> but still, it's worth a try
[19:23] <DexterLB> I'll try playing with config.txt
[19:23] <DexterLB> like the second answer to this question http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/222/can-a-simple-cable-convert-hdmi-output-to-vga
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[19:26] <DexterLB> what does hdmi_safe do?
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[19:36] <Muzer> bought a new NIC, this one actually works
[19:37] <Muzer> so hopefully, if all my routing settings still exist (which they probably don't), I should finally be able to get my Raspi online :P
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[19:40] <PhotoJim> this Pi isn't doing audio. I notice that the volume is locked on "mute" if I invoke alsamixer. not sure if that's significant. ideas?
[19:41] <PhotoJim> HDMI connection to a TV, but my other Pi, connected similarly (through a home theatre receiver) has working audio.
[19:42] <PhotoJim> oops, I should ask in raspbian
[19:42] <PhotoJim> I thought I was there. wrong window. :)
[19:42] <rikkib> #Set output to aux 0 auto 1 aux 2 hdmi
[19:42] <rikkib> printf "Setting Audio Output to Aux Speaker.\n"
[19:42] <rikkib> amixer cset numid=3 1
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[19:44] <rikkib> From my /etc/rc.local
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[19:48] <PhotoJim> let me try that.
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[19:49] <PhotoJim> no change, alas.
[19:50] <PhotoJim> my other Pi seems to have acquired the same problem since the last time I had audio working.
[19:50] <PhotoJim> Raspbian OS
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[20:29] <fuzz1981> ssh to pi from ipad mini with lte mifi
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[20:32] <fuzz1981> pwd
[20:32] <Russ> ~
[20:32] <fuzz1981> lol :)
[20:33] <PhotoJim> I've sshed to one of my Pis over dialup Internet from a netbook :)
[20:34] <PhotoJim> I could do it from my LTE hotspot but I have no LTE unless I stand on the roof :)
[20:34] <fuzz1981> oh how i dont miss dialup :)
[20:36] <fuzz1981> i just picked up the lte hotspot .. hopefully works at home
[20:36] <novusordo> anyone here familiar with retroarch on the Pi?
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[20:36] <fuzz1981> good to have around if the cable goes out
[20:36] <PhotoJim> I still use dialup at the cottage occasionally. I get a bunch of free hours, and for IRC and stuff, it's fine.
[20:36] <PhotoJim> but if you want to move files... not so much.
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[20:37] <PhotoJim> my hotspot works here, but in HSPA+ mode. not that I bought it to use here. I bought it to take with me when I travel.
[20:38] <fuzz1981> yeah mine is mostly for travel, backup and car
[20:39] <PhotoJim> it's only EDGE at my cottage. so you can see why dialup ain't so bad. :)
[20:39] <fuzz1981> evdo reva is basically useless here on my mobile
[20:40] <PhotoJim> EDGE is 2.5G. think 1x in your parlance.
[20:40] <PhotoJim> a little faster. but not much.
[20:40] <fuzz1981> i had clear wimax but the coverage sucks
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[20:40] <pecorade> Wifi works. Hurray!
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[21:12] <fuzz1981> driving in a car down the interstate
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[21:13] <fuzz1981> how things have changed :)
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> raspberry ladder video...
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/K5zrgEDsxSQ
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> don't laugh too much :)
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[21:50] <OpenSys> ha ha gordonDrogon, play with leds and buttons ?
[21:50] <s5fs> dang, long video!
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> yea, I did try to trim it too & fast forward sections.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> must get more ruthless...
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> my first attempt using openshot to edit videos though.
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[21:52] <s5fs> right on. i don't do any video stuffs, helped my kid with a homework assignment a couple weeks ago, that's about it
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[21:59] <gordonDrogon> better write the blog now..
[21:59] <rikkib> Your work bench is much more nicer than mine... http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[22:00] <rikkib> breakfast... Watch rest of vid later
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[22:03] <scummos> rikkib: haha nice colorful wires ;)
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[22:09] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. it's easy to just push everything to one side!
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[22:13] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/bench.jpg
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> too much stuff - not enough bench..
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[22:16] <_yac_> hoarder huh :)
[22:18] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> it's all neccessary, I can assure you ;-)
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[22:29] <scummos> hahaha
[22:29] <scummos> it looked cleaner in the video! :D
[22:29] <_yac_> course... :)
[22:29] <scummos> nice pot! :D
[22:30] <_yac_> i like that it has a whiteboard .)
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[22:32] <nimitz> in case anyone wants crawl 0.11 for respbian
[22:32] <nimitz> http://crawl.develz.org/debian/pool/0.11/c/crawl/
[22:32] <Muzer> hmmm
[22:32] <nimitz> (the repo only has 0.10)
[22:32] <nimitz> (you need the armhf package)
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[22:33] <Muzer> at the moment, is the best way of sanely dual-booting to have a minimal kernel that boots quickly from a ramdisk and gives you a menu, allows you to choose a kernel.img and cmdline.txt and reboots with those, then to write a script in each OS's shutdown to restore the old kernel.img and cmdline.txt?
[22:34] <scummos> nimitz: crawl is supposed to be played online!
[22:35] <nimitz> true
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> I have 2 whiteboards.
[22:35] <nimitz> but some pis arent online all the time
[22:35] <scummos> poor pis
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> nethack.alt.org
[22:35] <nimitz> i dont even know whats a good "long" range wifi adapter
[22:35] <Muzer> (or hell, at boot would be much better)
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> just saying
[22:35] <_yac_> i miss vintage tools though gordonDrogon :)
[22:35] <nimitz> SpeedEvil: +1
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> telnet
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> vintage? My soldering iron you mean?
[22:36] <nimitz> is there a wifi usb adapter that's "cheapish" has decent range and works with latest raspbian out of the box?
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/weller.jpg
[22:39] <_yac_> yeah i saw that, was nice
[22:39] <scummos> haha it looks like from 1970 :(
[22:40] <_yac_> seems to be original sponge too, which is always a huge plus
[22:40] <scummos> * :)
[22:40] <scummos> cool
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> yea, sponges are cool.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I've had that for 35 years.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> and it was 2nd hand when I bought it.
[22:40] <_yac_> :)
[22:40] <rikkib> I have DSE (Dick Smith Electronics) T2200 solder station (About $100NZD) with spare tips and spare element.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> the magnastat sticks sometimes.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I really need a new one, but ...
[22:40] <rikkib> It would be hitting ten years now
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> wellers are expensive...
[22:41] <_yac_> you could upgrade to the 80ish weller model, that's the one i have
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> back in a tick. tea...
[22:41] * rikkib wants a heat gun
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[22:41] <rikkib> Both types... SMD and heat shrink
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[22:42] <rikkib> Use a toaster over for smd and hair dryer for heat shrink
[22:42] <rikkib> oven
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[22:44] <fuzz1981> i've switched from weller to hakko
[22:44] <scummos> a toaster, what? :D
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[22:45] <scummos> heat shrink, I do that with the soldering iron, works perfectly
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[22:50] <nimitz> is there a changelog of non-bugfixes
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[22:50] <nimitz> (wrong channel)
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[22:50] <ryushe> Not being familiar with the GUI that raspbian uses, any way to have it automatically open a browser and put it fullscreen when it starts the window manager?
[22:50] <scummos> which window manager do you use
[22:51] <nimitz> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[22:51] <ryushe> the default one that starts when you boot up Raspbian ;)
[22:51] <ryushe> whichever one that os
[22:51] <ryushe> is
[22:51] <ryushe> feels a bit like fluxbox, but a bit more dumbed dowb
[22:52] <ryushe> nimitz: perfect, thanks
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> hair drier isn't generally hot enough for heat shrink...
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> a friend of mine is suggesting this to me: http://labtronix.co.uk/drupal/shop/soldering/898bdplus
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[23:09] * scummos would like to have a hot air gun too but doesn't know whether it's worth buying one
[23:09] <rikkib> I am moving more to modules rather than building bits now days. Test equipment takes a higher priority such as the MFJ-269 I have. Not that I have much test equipment. 30Mhz scope, frequency counter, 2 multi meters
[23:09] <scummos> since I don't exactly have hundreds of parts I want to solder with it
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[23:10] <rikkib> Toaster oven good...
[23:10] <rikkib> For making new stuff
[23:10] <ebswift> i was lucky enough to be able to borrow a USB CRO scope long term from work... i never knew how to use one, just plugged it in, hooked it up, ran the software, and blam was able to solve some problems straight up... it's good to have
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[23:13] <scummos> yeah I'm still considering buying one of those 250M samples/s ADCs for 100 bucks and building one myself :D
[23:13] <rikkib> I had test jigs with two scopes when servicing space invader machines
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[23:14] <rikkib> Good and bad side by side makes fixing false a few minute job
[23:14] <rikkib> faults
[23:14] <scummos> yeah a good oscilloscope really is for electronics what valgrind is for programming ;P
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[23:15] <fuzz1981> couldn't agree more :)
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[23:18] <plugwash> mmm, for digital stuff IMO a 4-channel scope is pretty damn usefull two channels isn't really enough IMO
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[23:18] <plugwash> and it really needs to be a storage scope
[23:18] <fuzz1981> i use a usb scope
[23:18] <fuzz1981> triggers are mandatory
[23:19] <scummos> I have a analog 2-channel scope from 1970
[23:19] <scummos> it's pretty good for being from 1970 but it's obviously not a storage scope ;P
[23:19] <fuzz1981> hehe nice .. I had an old heathkit analog when i was a kid
[23:19] <fuzz1981> round CRT display
[23:19] <scummos> haha yay, round displays ftw
[23:19] <plugwash> another useful thing some modern scopes can do is show you what happened BEFORE the trigger
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[23:19] <bbond007> it got my heatsinks installed
[23:20] <fuzz1981> yeah my usb will show before the trigger as well .. that's very important :)
[23:20] <scummos> plugwash: oh, yes, indeed
[23:20] <ebswift> is a scope used for designing as well as for finding a fault?
[23:20] <fuzz1981> you move the trigger across the time axis
[23:20] <fuzz1981> yes
[23:20] <rikkib> A spectrum analyzer is high on my wish list if I had the money. Specially one that goes to 3GHz.
[23:20] <fuzz1981> i used a scope a lot doing embedded software dev
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[23:21] <fuzz1981> so much easier when you can "see" what you're drivers are doing :)
[23:21] <fuzz1981> argh *your
[23:21] <scummos> I'm trying to build a networka analyzer :D
[23:21] <scummos> the board layout is done
[23:22] <scummos> now I just need to solder it
[23:22] <scummos> (I have most of the parts too)
[23:22] <ebswift> yeah... what about for looking at loads and deciding on resistor/capacitor values, or does all that come down to maths?
[23:22] <scummos> and then it has to work of course
[23:22] <fuzz1981> network analyzer for RF?
[23:22] <scummos> yes, for around 400MHz
[23:22] <fuzz1981> nice
[23:22] <scummos> the hardware could theoretically handle up to 3.5GHz or so
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[23:23] <fuzz1981> i got to play with a network analyzer once for 2.4GHz impedance matching
[23:23] <rikkib> mfj-269 partly does to 450MHz
[23:23] <scummos> oh and it will be pi powered of course :)
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[23:23] <fuzz1981> turns out our pcb trace wasn't matched :P
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[23:24] <scummos> rikkib: but 400 dollars! ;P
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[23:24] <scummos> the components for this one are more like 50
[23:24] <plugwash> mmm, specans are expensive, I was involved with buying one at uni and iirc it cost us about ??8K even with our discount
[23:24] <rikkib> 0-150MHz plus 410 - 450MHz or so
[23:24] <rikkib> $800+ NZD
[23:24] <plugwash> (it was a R+S FSH8)
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[23:25] <DooMMasteR> hmm some small spectrum analyzer :P
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[23:26] <DooMMasteR> RSA6000 -.- have it at University but it is quite heavy on the wallet -.-
[23:26] <scummos> I'm really curious whether this thing is going to work
[23:26] <DooMMasteR> something about 60k???
[23:26] <DooMMasteR> -.-
[23:26] <scummos> it would be really cheap if it would
[23:26] <rikkib> plugwash, Are you an active Ham?
[23:27] <plugwash> no, i'm not a ham, i've been doing some work at uni with 2.4GHz wireless sensor networks though
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[23:27] <rikkib> Hmmm. I thought you were.
[23:27] <plugwash> and we thought we might end up doing some 5.8GHz stuff too (hence why we got the FSH8 not the FSH4)
[23:28] <DooMMasteR> plugwash: aren't they pretty much basic devices
[23:29] <plugwash> the FSH8 is a pretty conventional specan but it's portable
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[23:29] <DooMMasteR> ahh ok
[23:29] <DooMMasteR> the Tek ist not portable at all
[23:29] <DooMMasteR> it is driveable :P
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[23:29] <DooMMasteR> but goes at least to 8GHz
[23:30] <DooMMasteR> and ist software upgradable to 14GHz
[23:30] <plugwash> one thing I have realised since we got the FSH8 though is that there are two types of specan
[23:30] <DooMMasteR> and offers nice 110MHz of bandwidth :P
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[23:30] <plugwash> "conventional" specans do the spectrum analysis in the analog domain and then digitise
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[23:30] <DooMMasteR> plugwash: in what aspect?
[23:31] <plugwash> which makes them relatively slow because most of the information in the input signal is lost
[23:31] <plugwash> while there are now some specans that digitise first and then analyse
[23:31] <plugwash> making them MUCH faster because they can reuse the same input information for all frequencies
[23:31] <DooMMasteR> plugwash: the Tek can do both??? but RT stuff is limited in bandwidth
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[23:32] <DooMMasteR> record is always @110Mhz band and then you can filter that data afterwards
[23:32] <plugwash> yeah, I can understand why it would be limited in bandwidth but when you want to find the power peak within a narrowish bandwidth range quickly the digital approach is much better
[23:33] <plugwash> but noone seems to offer it in a portable form yet :(
[23:33] <DooMMasteR> another institue here has a R&S FSE??? which is a lot faster than the Windows based Tek device
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[23:33] <DooMMasteR> but cost far >100k???
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[23:34] <fuzz1981> played with a spectrum analyzer once too
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[23:34] <DooMMasteR> offers less bandwidth but goes to 40Ghz or so and is sooo quick
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[23:35] <fuzz1981> debugging a chipcon CC2420 RF layout
[23:36] <Gosy> shiftplusone
[23:36] <Gosy> you there?
[23:36] <scummos> fuzz1981: ok, if my network analyzer doesn't work I'll mail it to you and you debug it :D
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[23:36] <fuzz1981> lol
[23:36] <scummos> with that thing
[23:37] <fuzz1981> this was with borrowed lab time between a few companies
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[23:37] <scummos> okay :(
[23:37] <DooMMasteR> I am moslty using/missusing the Tek as an Osci :P
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[23:37] <SgrA> .
[23:37] <DooMMasteR> because the Tek Osci we have is running Windows XP and that is fucked up???
[23:38] <fuzz1981> finally got to use the network analyzer and could show the impedance mismatch of the pcb trace
[23:38] <DooMMasteR> hehe
[23:39] <rikkib> What freq?
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[23:39] <DooMMasteR> but prices for the tech are too high??? the MSO71254C we have was a donation??? would surely have cost >100k???
[23:39] <fuzz1981> 2.4GHz
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[23:42] <fuzz1981> ugh broken toe is killing me today
[23:43] <s5fs> broken digits suck
[23:43] <s5fs> sorry you're in pain fuzz1981
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[23:43] <fuzz1981> yeah first time .. unbelievable pain
[23:43] <s5fs> fuzz1981: no, i believe it. i've broken thumbs, regular fingers, ankles, wrists, etc. gotta love it.
[23:43] <rikkib> Try broken ribs
[23:44] <rikkib> next :)
[23:44] <s5fs> never broken a rib, but cracked my sternum once!
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[23:44] <rikkib> Twice
[23:44] <s5fs> nothing like having to choose between pain and oxygen
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[23:45] <rikkib> Fell over carrying a rack system and landed on it no my back. two ribs
[23:45] <rikkib> on my
[23:45] <s5fs> youch
[23:46] <rikkib> Other was rugby two ribs
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[23:46] <s5fs> most of my breaks were skateboarding-related, although i broke my ankle "dirt skiing"
[23:46] <s5fs> now rugby, there's a hardcore game!!
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[23:47] <rikkib> leg multiple compound tib/fib
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[23:47] <rikkib> motor bike
[23:47] <rikkib> at 60mph
[23:47] <s5fs> haven't wrecked a bike yet, been lucky!
[23:47] <rikkib> So I know what you are feeling
[23:48] <rikkib> 3 months in hospital and lucky not to loose it
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[23:48] <s5fs> fuzz1981: icing helps, as does any sort of pain meds, even just anti-inflammatories. rest and distraction is my normal cure.
[23:49] <fuzz1981> doctor gave me vicodin lol gone now just taking advil
[23:50] <s5fs> fuzz1981: well man, you're not supposed to take them all in a weekend, even if your friends come over with beer!
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[23:50] <s5fs> fuzz1981: okay so how'd you bust the toe?
[23:50] * rikkib Outside time. Summer gardening to do.
[23:51] * rikkib saves his work.
[23:51] <s5fs> summer?? raining here in portland oregon (as usual)
[23:51] <fuzz1981> lol nothing exciting .. caught it on the corner of the kitchen island walking by :)
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[23:52] <s5fs> worst. not even a cool story ;-)
[23:52] <fuzz1981> lol i know
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[23:53] <fuzz1981> i've done that a million times and this one time it was some weird angle that busts it :P
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