#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-16

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <SpeedEvil> 55p/w.
[0:00] <SpeedEvil> where installed are more like 1.50.
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[0:05] <Dan39> lol so ive established that it is NOT the connect that is slow between my home and server now
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[0:05] <Dan39> i set up socks5 proxy on other computer in lan, and using curl going thru that socks5 proxy, i can download from server in france to my pi in US at full 7 megabytes/s
[0:05] <Dan39> lmao
[0:06] <Dan39> its kinda a hack job, but it works
[0:06] <Dan39> now i can get full speed
[0:06] <Dan39> it proxies thru 2 servers, but whatever
[0:06] <Dan39> hmm
[0:08] <Dan39> i dont need to proxy thru that 2nd server, what the heck am i doing <_<
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[0:49] <echelon> ok, i checked the expected ship date for the dingleberry pi from newark two days ago and it said 16 nov
[0:49] <echelon> today it says 26 nov
[0:49] <echelon> what's the big idea
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[0:49] <echelon> anyone had to deal with these pricks before?
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[0:50] <echelon> i definitely wouldn't ever leave my distribution up to a brit
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[0:51] <echelon> they wouldn't know how to operate a business let a lone tie their own shoelaces
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[1:14] <fuzz1981> 00:14:42 up 4 days, 8:03, 8 users, load average: 0.14, 0.05, 0.06
[1:23] <echelon> fuzz1981: i got my case from hong kong before i even got my first order of a dingleberry pi
[1:23] <fuzz1981> ok
[1:23] <echelon> and i had ordered the dingleberry pi 2 weeks prior to ordering the case
[1:24] <fuzz1981> and?
[1:24] <echelon> i think it shows a level of incompetence in the people running organization
[1:25] <fuzz1981> no it doesn't
[1:25] <echelon> of course it does
[1:26] <fuzz1981> *facepalm*
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[1:27] <fuzz1981> are you really going to complain that your $35 rpi is backordered? it's called supply and demand
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[1:29] <fuzz1981> tbh if you don't like it .. go build your own .. we'll see how that works out for you
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[1:34] <Hodapp> echelon: What does incompetence of the *supplier* have to do with people running the organization?
[1:35] <fuzz1981> it's not incompetence on anyone's part .. there are often long lead times on parts for manufacturing .. they can't just spit these things out at will. there's a whole supply chain involved
[1:35] <echelon> incompetence lies in the fact that they don't know how to distribute their product
[1:35] <Hodapp> echelon: What leads you to believe that they are incompetent in distributing their product?
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[1:36] <echelon> obviously there wouldn't be a need for people to pay $200 for a unit off of ebay
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[1:36] <echelon> if everything was going fine and dandy
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[1:36] <fuzz1981> do you think apple says "oh, we'll just hold off on providing more iphone 5s" no .. they literally can't make them fast enough .. same thing
[1:36] <Hodapp> echelon: What is the benchmark for 'fine and dandy' in the distribution of a unit?
[1:37] <echelon> they would provide an honest ship date from the start
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[1:37] <echelon> instead of changing it right before the day they say they were supposed to ship it
[1:37] <fuzz1981> so echelon how would you run the operation then
[1:38] <fuzz1981> that's exactly why it called an "estimate"
[1:38] <Hodapp> echelon: Why do you feel that the only meaningful filter under which to view competence of a supplier, is by their ability to meet arbitrary demands you've established?
[1:38] <echelon> an estimate means they're supposed to tell me the day before they were supposed to ship it and they changed the date again?
[1:39] <Hodapp> echelon: More specifically, why do you feel that the whereabouts of one single unit is sufficient to judge the entire operation of not only the supplier, but also of the entire foundation?
[1:39] <echelon> because obviously i'm not the only one complaining about it
[1:39] <fuzz1981> they never were "supposed" to ship it .. like Hodapp said you've established your own arbitrary demand
[1:40] <Hodapp> echelon: And why does the existence of >= 2 complaints form a valid metric?
[1:40] <fuzz1981> "Back Order
[1:40] <fuzz1981> Expected Ship Date
[1:40] <fuzz1981> 26 Dec 2012"
[1:40] <echelon> also, their distributor won't even let you cancel a backorder
[1:40] <fuzz1981> -Newark
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[1:40] <fuzz1981> note the keyword "Expected"
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[1:41] <fuzz1981> there's a great site called dictionary.com that you may want to check out on that one
[1:41] <Hodapp> fuzz1981: Is Newark based in the actual city of Newark?
[1:41] <fuzz1981> i dunno lol
[1:42] <fuzz1981> HQ is in IL
[1:44] <Hodapp> I'd put this kid's age around 16, maybe 18 tops.
[1:44] <fuzz1981> yep
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[1:45] <fuzz1981> little temper tantrum :)
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[2:06] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone know of a case that can hold multiple raspberry pi's?
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[2:12] <fuzz1981> nope i mounted mine to wood
[2:18] <rikkib> I make mine out of aluminium U channel
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[2:40] <fuzz1981> i've got 8 mounted to a 12"^2 piece of wood .. going to use standoffs on top of those to mount another 8 on top of them
[2:41] <fuzz1981> ugh 50% system CPU time processing a 90Mbps TCP stream
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[2:56] <Tachyon`> fuzz1981, are you clustering there?
[2:57] <fuzz1981> yeah
[2:57] <Tachyon`> ah, interesting, with any particular purpose in mind or just because you can?
[2:58] <fuzz1981> developing/playing with distributed databases mostly
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[2:58] <Tachyon`> ahh
[2:59] <Tachyon`> I thought it might be fun to have a play with HyperNEAT on a cluster but I've not got round to it yet
[2:59] <fuzz1981> and i think it's interesting to see what ARM is capable of (probably not these ARMv7's but still good for PoC) .. power consumption is killer for a sizeable cluster :)
[3:00] <Tachyon`> aye and you could get 50 pis for the power of a desktop machine
[3:00] <fuzz1981> yeah you can run 480 PIs from a single 15A 120V circuit :)
[3:02] <fuzz1981> 3000 of them in a 48U cabinet with 2x208V 30A
[3:03] <Tachyon`> rackmount pis, not seen that done yet
[3:03] <fuzz1981> was thinking about it .. easy enough to make a breakout board to power them from a standard ATX supply
[3:04] <fuzz1981> problem is the math doesn't really add up for performance hehe .. maybe a 2 or 4 core cortex but not pis
[3:05] <fuzz1981> a single PCB with a bunch of SoC's and some interconnect between them would be fantastic
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[3:08] <Tachyon`> yeah, the ARM7 isslower than I expected
[3:08] <Tachyon`> much slower than my pandora
[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/ ..... pandora
[3:09] <Tachyon`> otoh risc os is a joy to use with the pi, given I'm used to my A3020, lol
[3:09] <Tachyon`> ?
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[3:09] <Tachyon`> are you still waiting for a preorder?
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[3:09] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, and I upgraded to the 1ghz unit ages ago as well.
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[3:09] <Tachyon`> oh dear -.-
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> it has been only 1 month away for the past 3 years.
[3:10] <Tachyon`> I've had mine since last may, but I took the sensible route and paid the 100 quid over the odds to get one from ebay
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[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, good idea.
[3:10] <Tachyon`> I'd still be waiting otherwise I suspect!
[3:10] <Tachyon`> as I didn't have the money to get a preorder in early
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[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Depends on whether you order for Craig or EvilDragon.
[3:11] <Tachyon`> the 1GHz units are extremely expensive though
[3:11] <Tachyon`> ?666
[3:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, but since I had already paid for the other one, there was just an upgrade fee which didn't seem that much over the top.... plus it's spaced out over a period of 5 years =p
[3:11] <Tachyon`> ah well, there's that, lol
[3:11] <Tachyon`> did you order from craig by any small chance?
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I did
[3:12] <Tachyon`> oh dear
[3:12] <Tachyon`> there was much dodginess going on with him
[3:12] <Tachyon`> rumours of pandoras sent in for repair donating boards to fulfil preorders and never returning etc.
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I ordered way before any of that dodginess showed up =(
[3:13] <Tachyon`> I'm waiting for ED to get his cases in
[3:13] <Tachyon`> so I can replace mine
[3:13] <Tachyon`> which has a broken hinge atm, heh, HP200LX style
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you have to pay extra for that?
[3:13] <Tachyon`> the replacement case? it'll cost me 20 quid when they come in
[3:14] <Tachyon`> the hinge was fine when it arrived bu broke over time, heh, superglued it when it cracked but it later disintegrated entirely
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Ok, thought that sort of thing would be covered by 'warranty'
[3:14] <Tachyon`> yeah, it failed after the year though
[3:14] <Tachyon`> just
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[3:14] <Tachyon`> the LCD cable and battery were replaced under warranty
[3:14] <ShiftPlusOne> how is it overall? worth it?
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[3:15] <Tachyon`> I'm happy with it although I'd be a lot happier if the parts would reappear in stock so I could use it
[3:16] <Tachyon`> I ported a few things
[3:16] <ShiftPlusOne> the 1ghz unit should be nice if I get it before a 3ghz pi comes out.
[3:16] <Tachyon`> was working on an improved amiga emulator
[3:16] <Tachyon`> but it ground to a halt as I encountered problems when building AGA support in
[3:16] <Tachyon`> IE: it dropped to like half speed even when emulating an OCS/ECS machine
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[3:17] <Tachyon`> attempted to find the problem by profiling bu without much luck, possibly because I don't really know what I'm doing with the profiler (or the slowdown was in a library)
[3:17] <ShiftPlusOne> hm, I would imagine that an amiga emulator wouldn't be too taxing on something like a pandora
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[3:17] <Tachyon`> first time I'd attempted profiling you see but I suspect the culprit was the SDL library
[3:18] <Tachyon`> had serious issues with beebem too, just cannot get more than 3-5fps from it
[3:18] <Tachyon`> although rpcemu ported fine and works full screen (and only required a single line change to the code)
[3:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Is SDL in any way accelerated?
[3:23] <Tachyon`> err, sometimes, it depends
[3:23] <Tachyon`> there's a version for pandora that is
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean specifically on pandora
[3:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[3:24] <Tachyon`> it'd be nice to see some acceleration on the pi
[3:24] <Tachyon`> I'm pretty much at the limit running gngeo full screen at the consoel
[3:25] <Tachyon`> oh great, israel are calling up 30,000 reservists to commit some more war crimes, heh, wonder when we're going to see regime change there, heh, not that I suppose america will do anything, they have after all been arming them for decades
[3:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Same old, ey?
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[3:59] <Syliss> hmm
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[4:01] <greg11> #join raspbian
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[4:13] <cyclick> Tachyon`, Israel is saying terroists in Gaza hide behind citizens (by setting up missile launchers in schools, etc..) ?
[4:13] <Tachyon`> heh, israel say a lot of things
[4:13] <Tachyon`> mostly to distract attention away from all the evil shit they do
[4:13] <Tachyon`> er, excuse my language, forgot which channel this was for a moment
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[4:15] <fuzz1981> ugh .. rpi acts strange under heavy network load
[4:15] <echelon> what, like launching rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas?
[4:15] <fuzz1981> keys constantly repeating on usb keyboard
[4:15] <Tachyon`> erm, israel have bombed schools in gaza intentionally
[4:16] <Tachyon`> claiming them to be terrorist training camps
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[4:16] <Tachyon`> not to mention repeatedly hitting infrastructure which is obviously going to disproportionately affect civilians
[4:17] <Tachyon`> there's propaganda flying about from both sides
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[4:17] <Tachyon`> but the UN have documented israeli war crimes, in the 2009 invasion for example
[4:17] <Tachyon`> which we're likely about to see round to of
[4:18] <Tachyon`> last time it was 1300 palestinian deaths, mostly civilians vs 13 israeli deaths, 4 from friendly fire
[4:18] <Tachyon`> that tells you all you need to know
[4:19] <invisiblek> ^that
[4:20] <cyclick> 2009 was the start of it?
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[4:20] <SpeedEvil> assymetric death ratios does not of itself mean war crimes.
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rorke's_Drift
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[4:22] <Tachyon`> no, but herding nearly 100 members of one family into a house then repeatedly shellign it does
[4:22] <Tachyon`> and the UN confirmed that one
[4:25] <fuzz1981> there are a really high number of hardware USB host interrupts being fired it seems
[4:25] <echelon> Tachyon`: palestinians have been caught using UN ambulances to transport weapons
[4:25] <echelon> and the UN was well aware of it
[4:26] <Tachyon`> israel shouldn't even be there, it is a state founded by terrorism
[4:26] <Tachyon`> hotel bombings and so on, heh
[4:26] <Tachyon`> just everyone was sympathetic after WW2 and let them get away with it
[4:27] <SpeedEvil> fuzz1981: the pi needs to service USB 1000/s
[4:27] <fuzz1981> why?
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[4:27] <SpeedEvil> either because the usb'hardware sucka, or the driver sucks
[4:27] <fuzz1981> it's serviced more interrupts in 4 days than my desktop has in 76 days lol
[4:27] <fuzz1981> there's something not right there :)
[4:28] <phire> I think its the hardware that sucks
[4:28] <Tachyon`> I think it might be ARM related
[4:28] <Tachyon`> my ARM based NAS has the same issue
[4:28] <fuzz1981> odd
[4:28] <phire> it wasn't designed with the idea that it would be used in host most full time
[4:29] <fuzz1981> does your other ARM use dwc_otg_hcd?
[4:29] <Tachyon`> it's not very easy to tell, this NAS isn't the friendliest of beasts
[4:29] <phire> So the start of frame packets that a real usb host would send automatically have been onloaded to the main cpu
[4:29] <Tachyon`> and in order to get a prompt I have to boot it with all the drives pulled
[4:29] <Tachyon`> and I can't do that now
[4:30] <Tachyon`> as I'm downloading to them
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[4:38] <fuzz1981> phire: can you explain?
[4:38] <fuzz1981> oh
[4:39] <fuzz1981> the CPU has to generate frames that aren't being handled by hardware
[4:40] <fuzz1981> wow the dwc_otg drivers are huge lol
[4:41] <phire> Hopefully things can be improved with better drivers
[4:42] <fuzz1981> i hope so .. really hurts ethernet :/
[4:46] <SpeedEvil> phire: problem is there are no USB controller docs, other than the source
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[4:47] <funkadelic> are currently sold raspis shipped with the latest firmware?
[4:47] <funkadelic> or are they behind?
[4:47] <phire> firmware is on the sdcard
[4:48] <plugwash> Tachyon`, I think it really comes down to the fact that many arm chips integrate rubbish USB controller IP
[4:48] <phire> part of the os image
[4:48] <funkadelic> oooh it is, ok
[4:48] <plugwash> because they are mostly expecting people to use it in very simple setups so they don't care to spend the extra for something robust
[4:48] <funkadelic> people need to be less ambiguous haha
[4:49] <Tachyon`> wonder if ther's a new raspbmc yet
[4:49] <Tachyon`> there was mention of a new XBMC with pi support included
[4:49] <funkadelic> does pi support xbmc right now in any way?
[4:50] <funkadelic> I was thinking of trying it out
[4:50] <Tachyon`> aye, there's a build, it's not the quickest ever but works fine
[4:50] <fuzz1981> what's the max throughput of SPI on the bcm?
[4:50] <Tachyon`> there's a channel for it, #raspbmc
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[4:54] <fuzz1981> 3) The Foundation has discovered that the controller and its driver expect realtime response from the ARM core, and if Linux's non-realtime scheduling doesn't respond in 1 ms, a split transaction USB event can be dropped. Not surprisingly, this occurs regularly and produces lost mouse clicks, stuck keyboard keys, etc..
[4:54] <fuzz1981> ugh
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[4:55] <rikkib> and causes motion to crash
[4:55] <phire> I thought they fixed that issue with an firq
[4:56] <SpeedEvil> ow
[4:56] <rikkib> Nov 16 15:56:14 raspberrypi kernel: [84870.395453] uvcvideo: Non-zero status (-5) in video completion handler.
[4:56] <rikkib> Nov 16 15:56:16 raspberrypi motion: [1] v4l2_next: VIDIOC_DQBUF: EIO (s->pframe 1): Input/output error
[4:57] <fuzz1981> i have FIQ enabled, and if i slam packets into ethernet my keyboard keys will 'stick'
[4:57] <rikkib> fuzz1981, Where did that text come from please?
[4:57] <fuzz1981> slashdot
[4:57] <fuzz1981> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/08/24/2228251/serious-problems-with-usb-and-ethernet-on-the-raspberry-pi
[4:57] <rikkib> Thanks
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[4:59] <fuzz1981> A Preamble is not auto-generated so any MDIO access must be preceded by a write to thisregister of 0xFFFFFFFF. Furthermore, a bug in the USB PHY requires an extra clock edge soa write of 0x00000000 must follow the actual access.
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[5:06] <Jimu> What's the big difference between the Arch image and the Raspbian? Less programs in the Arch? Different kernel?
[5:06] <funkadelic> I read somewhere that there's a Raspi with 256MB memory, and one with 512
[5:06] <funkadelic> how can I know I'm getting one with 512?
[5:06] <Jimu> funkadelic: if you haven't gotten it yet, you're getting the 512
[5:07] <funkadelic> I got 2 in August, and I'm planning on ordering a few more
[5:07] <funkadelic> would the ones from August be 512?
[5:07] <Jimu> The August ones are probably 256. I'll get you the link
[5:08] <funkadelic> and in case I want to buy some used pis, how can I identify them?
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[5:08] <funkadelic> I'm buying a ton of these things haha
[5:08] <fuzz1981> by the numbers on the chip
[5:08] <fuzz1981> were there any rev2 boards with 256MB?
[5:08] <funkadelic> oh ok, does anyone know where I could find a history?
[5:08] <Jimu> funkadelic: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180
[5:09] <Jimu> This shows pics of the two different boards, with identifier for RAM amount: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2191
[5:11] <funkadelic> thanks so much Jimu
[5:12] <Jimu> The raspberrypi.org site is very worth watching
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[5:17] <Jimu> The kid's High-Altitude Balloon experiment was pretty cool. It would be nice if we could use the DSI and CSI ribbon connections for a camera and display
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[5:17] <Jimu> experiment I speak of: http://www.projectblacksky.com/
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