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IRC Log for 2012-11-21

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[0:12] <maicod> LOL http://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-accessories/products/case-sticker-for-the-raspberry-pi
[0:12] <Elspuddy> darn it, i think my sd card on my pi has gone again, i keep getting this error when i try to login to it , "inconsistercy detected by id.so dynamic-link.h:190: elf_get_dynamic_info: assertion
[0:13] <maicod> elspuddy: one of my Pi's is also corrupting filesystems so you're not the only one
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[0:13] <maicod> Elspuddy: do you always halt or reboot it neatly?
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[0:17] <Tachyon`> mine is also corrupting filesystems, heh, half the trouble is the screen display seems to go on shutdown a few seconds before it's finished accessing the card so it's easy to reboot/pull the plug prematurely
[0:18] <maicod> Tachyon`: it also corrupts when rebooting (no power starvation)
[0:18] <Elspuddy> i dont even rebot it till i have too
[0:19] <Tachyon`> yeah mine did that
[0:19] <Tachyon`> I have no idea why
[0:19] <Tachyon`> I've tried four different cards
[0:19] <maicod> Tachyon`: its faulty. my other Pi works fine
[0:19] <Tachyon`> it's somewhat better since I linked out the polyfuse and increased the power supply
[0:19] <maicod> well that one has a GPU fault and quake crashes on that one :P
[0:19] <Tachyon`> but still happens occasionally, perhaps once a fortnight
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[0:19] <maicod> so I am getting a replacement for it
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[0:20] <Tachyon`> at some point I'll sit this one on the tv with a 2.5" HDD and a load of emulators as well as the media player, just have it load kernel etc. from sd then mount root fs on hdd
[0:20] <Tachyon`> that should avoid it
[0:20] <Tachyon`> I need an HDMI switcher with more than 3 inputs
[0:20] <maicod> Tachyon`: I am now running from usb hdd
[0:20] <Tachyon`> or another one for the second HDMI port
[0:20] <maicod> only /boot is on a SD
[0:20] <Tachyon`> I have a rescue system that boots taht way
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[0:21] <maicod> ok
[0:21] <Tachyon`> but the 1.8" HDD keeps disconnecting from the USB then reconnecting
[0:21] <Tachyon`> for no apparent reason
[0:21] <Tachyon`> which is rather less than good when the root fs is on it!
[0:21] <maicod> oh you don;t use powered hub?
[0:21] <Tachyon`> it's powered
[0:21] <maicod> ide hdd needs extra power
[0:21] <maicod> oh OK
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[0:21] <Tachyon`> there's two amps of 5v for pi, hdd adn the wifi bits for the keyboard and gamepad
[0:21] <maicod> maybe usb connector is too wide ?
[0:21] <Tachyon`> well, wireless, isn't wifi
[0:22] <maicod> not tight enough
[0:22] <Tachyon`> the HDD only takes 500mAS
[0:22] <Tachyon`> -S
[0:22] <Tachyon`> so I can't really see where the issue lies
[0:22] <Tachyon`> seems stable enough and it doesn't disconnect when knocked or under heavy use or anything
[0:22] <Tachyon`> it seems quite random
[0:22] <maicod> :(
[0:22] <Tachyon`> it'll work for hours one time then a couple of minutes the next
[0:22] <Tachyon`> that sort of fault is extremely hard to find
[0:22] <maicod> I must go back to my webshop order . brb later
[0:23] <maicod> yeah it sucks
[0:23] <maicod> heisenplug :)
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[0:23] <Tachyon`> lol
[0:23] <maicod> heisenbug
[0:23] <maicod> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug
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[0:23] <Tachyon`> I know what they are, I code
[0:23] <Tachyon`> lol
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[0:24] <maicod> ok :)
[0:24] <maicod> the 'if I demo it its not happening' :)
[0:24] <Tachyon`> uninitialised variables can be a major culprit there, works for ages then something starts prestomping all over it and you have a bug nowhere near where you were working, lol
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[0:24] <maicod> hehe
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[0:28] <scummos> uninitialized memory is easily found with the almighty valgrind
[0:29] <Elspuddy> think i got to pll the plug out my pi, cant reboot it becaues of an error :(
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[0:29] <Elspuddy> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo reboot
[0:29] <Elspuddy> sudo: unable to dlopen /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so: (null)
[0:30] <scummos> su -c reboot
[0:30] <scummos> ;P
[0:30] <djazz> anyone wanna play with my rpi-powered robot?
[0:30] <djazz> webcam ;D
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[0:31] <djazz> (only WASD keys work) http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/rpi/remote/ (Don't drive too far, it needs power from outlet)
[0:31] <Elspuddy> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ su -C reboot
[0:31] <Elspuddy> su: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libpam.so.0: Unable to run arch-specific checks
[0:31] <scummos> your system is seriously screwed
[0:32] <scummos> if you reboot it it will not come backup again, most likely
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[0:32] <scummos> what did you do
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[0:32] <Elspuddy> tryed compling a program called umph, installed tightvnc
[0:33] <Elspuddy> brb, going to pull the plug
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[0:36] <scummos> that can't be all
[0:36] <scummos> what did "tried compiling $program" involve :D
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[0:37] <s5fs> scummos: rm -rf /; ./configure; make; make install
[0:37] <Elspuddy> 100% right, she did not even get the the boot screen
[0:38] <scummos> s5fs: seems like it
[0:38] <s5fs> "works for me"
[0:38] <scummos> Elspuddy: if you ask me, re-flash the SD card, it's probably not worth rescuing ;P
[0:38] <scummos> but still, what the hell did you do :D
[0:38] <Tachyon`> s5fs, you just told that one to delete everything on the root and mounted filesystems...
[0:38] <scummos> it's not that easy to kill a debian system
[0:39] <Tachyon`> was that what you intended?
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[0:39] <scummos> Tachyon`: it was supposed to be a joke
[0:39] <scummos> Tachyon`: and he was well aware that I knew that ;)
[0:39] <Elspuddy> tbh, i think its this sony sd card, i got a 2 gig one but i keep running out of space on that
[0:40] <scummos> if it's really the sdcard causing those errors then it's *seriously* broken
[0:40] <scummos> you should just throw it away then
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[0:40] <djazz> scummos: come on, play with it :D
[0:40] <Tachyon`> that's what she said
[0:40] <scummos> djazz: I just wanted to go to bed... but okay, where? :D
[0:41] <djazz> http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/rpi/remote/
[0:41] <Elspuddy> just a question, is there any way of booting from the 2gig card but use a usb stick/ usb hard drive for storing the os ?
[0:41] <scummos> did you write that ;P
[0:41] <scummos> Elspuddy: yes
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[0:41] <scummos> Elspuddy: just specify a different root FS on the kernel command line
[0:41] <djazz> scummos: ya
[0:41] <scummos> you can edit that in the config file
[0:41] <scummos> cool
[0:42] <scummos> oh yeah
[0:42] <scummos> I gonna kill that JS book
[0:42] <djazz> :D
[0:42] <djazz> u cant
[0:42] <s5fs> scummos: which one?
[0:42] <Elspuddy> o.k, this i under stand but i know know how to do it
[0:42] <djazz> s5fs: JS definite guide
[0:43] <scummos> djazz: how do I punch :D
[0:43] <djazz> press X
[0:43] <djazz> j/k
[0:43] <scummos> Elspuddy: open up the config file
[0:43] <s5fs> that's a big ass book! i just finished 'the good parts' for the 3rd time.
[0:43] <Elspuddy> config.txt ?
[0:44] <scummos> yes
[0:44] <linuxstb> scummos: cmdline.txt ?
[0:44] <Tachyon`> cmdline.txt
[0:44] <scummos> oh yes
[0:44] <scummos> sorry
[0:44] <djazz> scummos: crush my raspberrys!
[0:44] <Elspuddy> hold on, just got to find that right sd card, just booted my riscos one
[0:44] <scummos> how much my little pony stuff do you have
[0:44] <scummos> :D
[0:45] <djazz> scummos: not enough
[0:45] <scummos> also is there a specific reason why the camera is upside down? :D
[0:45] <djazz> scummos: you use chrome, right?
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[0:45] <scummos> no, firefox
[0:45] <djazz> if not, then do
[0:45] <scummos> heh, okay
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[0:45] <djazz> i only added CSS rotation to webkit css
[0:45] <scummos> but it's very cool definitely
[0:45] <djazz> camera is mounted upside down
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[0:47] <scummos> you should leave it on so people can move your furniture with it while you sleep
[0:47] <djazz> :D
[0:47] <djazz> with ehm lights turned off?
[0:47] <Elspuddy> right, im in config.txt
[0:47] <scummos> it needs lights
[0:47] <scummos> Elspuddy: what does it say
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[0:48] <Elspuddy> # uncomment if you get no picture on HDMI for a default "safe" mode
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[0:48] <djazz> I would want a power connector to the NXT
[0:48] <djazz> so i dont have to use batteries
[0:48] <Elspuddy> and a buntch of other stuff
[0:48] <scummos> Elspuddy: it should contain a kernel command line
[0:48] <scummos> root=foobar
[0:48] <scummos> and stuff
[0:48] <scummos> you need to change the root=
[0:48] <scummos> to point to the first partition of the first usb device
[0:48] <scummos> which should be /dev/sda1
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[0:49] <Elspuddy> nope, no root= its all for hdmi output
[0:49] <scummos> pastebin it
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[0:49] <scummos> ... wait, I'll search it myself
[0:50] <linuxstb> djazz: You could perhaps try "-moz-transform: rotate(180deg);" as well in your css.
[0:50] <Elspuddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1373701/
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[0:50] <scummos> Elspuddy: add root=/dev/sda2
[0:50] <djazz> linuxstb: ya, im just lazy
[0:50] <scummos> then dump the OS image onto an empty(!) usb drive
[0:50] <linuxstb> djazz: That's _very_ lazy ;)
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[0:51] <djazz> linuxstb: uploading fix...
[0:51] <djazz> done
[0:51] <Elspuddy> hold on, i was in the wrong file
[0:52] <Elspuddy> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[0:52] <Elspuddy> ~
[0:52] <scummos> djazz: does it actually have that crane?
[0:52] <scummos> oh yeah now it's right
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[0:52] <djazz> scummos: no, thats an old version
[0:52] <scummos> okay
[0:52] <scummos> too bad
[0:52] <djazz> in the left image
[0:52] <scummos> I could steal the JS book then
[0:52] <djazz> it was awesome
[0:52] <djazz> lol
[0:52] <linuxstb> djazz: Works for me, thanks. Very nice project.
[0:52] <djazz> not, really
[0:52] <scummos> what happened to it?
[0:52] <djazz> thx
[0:52] <du> the definitive guide to javascript is a good js book
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[0:53] <djazz> it got disassembled
[0:53] <du> i'm giving it to two former co-workers as late birthday gifts
[0:53] <djazz> its only half left of it
[0:53] <scummos> I like how the "the good parts" is like 1/20 of the reference book
[0:53] <scummos> o a microwave
[0:54] <du> havent read the good parts
[0:54] <du> but the way the definitive guide is wrote is really really good
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[0:54] <scummos> I just avoid javascript
[0:54] <linuxstb> djazz: How does the image update? I don't understand how you do that with an img tag.
[0:55] <scummos> that worked so far, too
[0:55] <djazz> linuxstb: MJPEG stream
[0:55] <djazz> don't ask :P
[0:55] <du> my work is web development so.. that doesn't work anymore
[0:55] <scummos> lol :D
[0:55] <djazz> i use mjpg-streamer
[0:55] <Elspuddy> right, so how do i dump all of 2 gig sd card to 16 gig usb stick ?
[0:55] <djazz> dd?
[0:55] <scummos> yes
[0:55] <scummos> dd if=foo.img of=/dev/sdx
[0:56] <scummos> the rest of the stick will just be ... garbage
[0:56] <scummos> you can resize the rootfs later to fill the whole stick
[0:56] <scummos> there's even a tool for it
[0:56] <scummos> be sure to catch the right value for "x" or you will erase your hard drive
[0:56] <scummos> or, well, not erase, but overwrite
[0:56] <Elspuddy> should i re partishion the usb stick to ext4 ?
[0:57] <scummos> no
[0:57] <scummos> the image contains a FS already
[0:57] <Elspuddy> so fat32 is o.k
[0:57] <scummos> I mean, you can, but it'll be overwritten anyways
[0:57] <scummos> doesn't matter
[0:57] <scummos> can fill it with zeros or /dev/urandom
[0:57] <s5fs> filesystem only matters if you wanna pop the stick into a windows machine or whatever
[0:57] <scummos> yeah
[0:57] <s5fs> oh, and the size of the device
[0:57] <scummos> only wimps use file systems
[0:57] <scummos> real men use tar
[0:57] <s5fs> bah
[0:58] <scummos> tar c * > /dev/sda
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[0:58] <s5fs> i prefer to write each bit by hand, using a magnetized needle
[0:58] <scummos> ;D
[0:58] <Tachyon`> pah
[0:58] <Tachyon`> amateur
[0:58] <du> cowardice
[0:58] <Elspuddy> got you,., back to the dd command, dose it have to be a .img file ?
[0:58] <Tachyon`> you should use butterflies
[0:58] <scummos> Elspuddy: .img is just a totally arbitrary file ending
[0:58] <scummos> Elspuddy: you should use the raspian image you downloaded
[0:58] <scummos> and it should not be compressed or anything :D
[0:59] <du> i do it by finding the unique non-repeating segment of pi
[0:59] <Tachyon`> pi doesn't repeat in any meaningful way
[0:59] <Tachyon`> it's an irrational number, that's kind of the definiton
[0:59] <Elspuddy> sounds like im running set up again and not copying/moving the sd card
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[0:59] <du> i wrote the book on pi, i know
[0:59] * linuxstb likes "gzcat 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img | dd of=/dev/sdX bs=32k" to avoid uncompressing beforehand
[0:59] <Tachyon`> although oddly, e^(i*pi)+1...
[1:00] * Tachyon` snorts
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[1:00] <Tachyon`> the book, what arrogance, lol, I think you'll find the ancient chinese wrote the first book on it
[1:01] <du> yeah... i'm not to sure about that.
[1:01] <scummos> yes, don't uncompress it, use gzcat or gzip -d and pipe the result
[1:02] <scummos> Tachyon`: well, pi and e are kind of closely related from their definitions, so that's not *as* surprising, if you ask me :)
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[1:02] <Tachyon`> it bloody surprised me, heh, and Euler I shouldn't wonder
[1:02] * linuxstb meant "gzcat 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.zip | dd of=/dev/sdX bs=32k"
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[1:03] <Tachyon`> gzcat does .zip?
[1:03] <Tachyon`> the name suggests gzip
[1:03] <scummos> Tachyon`: I have to confess I can't remember whether I was surprised when I saw it the first time ;)
[1:03] <linuxstb> Tachyon`: Yes, if there is only one file inside the zip, and it's compressed with "deflate".
[1:03] <Tachyon`> ahh
[1:04] <Tachyon`> I'll keep that in mind, it'll save me disk space, 2GB images do add up when there's loadd of htem
[1:04] <linuxstb> unzip probably has an option to pipe a specific file to stdout as well.
[1:04] <scummos> I think there are more surprising things tough -- like the riesz representation theorem
[1:04] <scummos> that one really surprised me
[1:04] <Tachyon`> I wish someone would make a festival voice of majel barrett
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[1:04] <Tachyon`> so I can do a proper LCARS interface
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[1:05] <Tachyon`> she died four years ago so additional samples aren't going to be forthcoming -.-
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[1:13] <Elspuddy> bah, no room on the 2gig sd card to get the pi image
[1:13] <scummos> doesn't matter
[1:13] <scummos> it just needs the first 130MB if you boot from the stick
[1:15] <Elspuddy> is there a way of just copying/moving what i got on this 2 gig card to the usb stick ?
[1:15] <Elspuddy> so i dont need the pi image
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[1:17] <scummos> yes, just specify the sd card device file as the source to dd
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[1:18] <Elspuddy> so dd if=/devmmclk0p1 of=/dev/sda1 ?
[1:18] <scummos> /dev/sda1 sounds dangerous
[1:18] <scummos> are you sure that /dev/sda1 is your usb stick
[1:18] <Elspuddy> yes
[1:19] <scummos> ok, but still no
[1:19] <scummos> that would move the partition contents
[1:19] <scummos> you want to copy the partiton table too
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[1:19] <Elspuddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1373749/
[1:19] <scummos> so you have to leave out the partiton number in both cases
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[1:19] <scummos> that would be the p1 for the card and the 1 for the stick
[1:20] <scummos> ... wait, you are currently using the OS you're trying to copy to the stick?
[1:20] <Elspuddy> yes
[1:20] <Tachyon`> oh heh
[1:21] <scummos> don't
[1:21] <scummos> get the image and dd that
[1:21] <scummos> dding that os will give you an inconsistent file system and everything
[1:21] <scummos> it might work but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it
[1:22] <Elspuddy> sounds like im better off, whipeing this card and reinstalling it (to free up space) downloading the image on to the card and then dd it
[1:24] <scummos> why don't you just use your desktop PC / notebook to do the dd stuff?
[1:24] <Elspuddy> windows
[1:24] <s5fs> Elspuddy: on windows the imaging software is even easier
[1:24] <Elspuddy> or should i just use win32img ?
[1:25] <s5fs> i would, yeah
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[1:25] <s5fs> my built-in sdcard on my laptop either is busted or doesn't work with linux, so i used win32img and it was super
[1:25] <scummos> s5fs: wait easier than dd if=test.img of=/dev/sdb?
[1:25] <scummos> how much easier can it get? :D
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[1:26] <s5fs> never said easier!
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[1:26] <Elspuddy> sounds easy for me, becaues i got the pi image on my pc all ready
[1:26] <s5fs> but in my case, my sdcard reader doesn't work. i had to break down and buy a usb reader!
[1:26] <kallisti5> question... where did loader.bin go?
[1:27] * kallisti5 is a bit outdated on the latest RaspberryPi firmware changes
[1:27] <scummos> <s5fs> Elspuddy: on windows the imaging software is even easier
[1:28] * scummos is confused
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[1:30] <kallisti5> anyone know what happened to loader.bin on the boot partition?
[1:30] * scummos doesnt
[1:30] <kallisti5> hmm
[1:30] <kallisti5> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
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[1:32] <scummos> look for the commit which removed it ;p
[1:32] <kallisti5> thats what i'm doing ^_^
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[1:35] <kallisti5> oh...
[1:35] <kallisti5> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=21862&p=207618&hilit=loader.bin#p207618
[1:35] <kallisti5> "loader.bin no longer needed."
[1:35] <kallisti5> okley-dokely
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[1:36] <scummos> a very informative commit message
[1:36] <linuxstb> Ah, cool - a "hello_jpeg" demo ;)
[1:37] <Essobi> Anyone interested in a write up on how to netboot FreeBSD on your pi?
[1:37] * linuxstb is 8 days out of date
[1:37] <Elspuddy> well it did not like me editing cmdline.txt and pointing to my usb stick
[1:38] <uski> freebsd on the pi ? it works ? because if it does, i want freenas on my pi :)
[1:39] <Disconnect> i searched that earlier today, it sorta works kinda when its not crashing. and without usb or sound.
[1:39] <uski> i see
[1:39] <uski> i'll ask again in one year or so ;)
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[1:42] <du> Essobi yes
[1:42] <CelticTurnip> Essobi: hell ys :)
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[1:49] <Essobi> :D
[1:50] <Essobi> I've got the system up. Still mounting r/o but I'm working on that.
[1:50] <Essobi> Stay tuned then folks. I'll put something together tonight/tomorrow
[1:50] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[1:51] <Essobi> CelticTurnip: http://www.repyoblog.com in case you don't see me announce it.. check there.
[1:51] <CelticTurnip> thanks heaps, I've got a spare Pi screaming out for some BSD loving :)
[1:52] <heraclitus_> i now wrote tiny basic manual for beginners for my interpreter, so who is interested in tiny basic may read. like how to do structured programming with goto. thanks. http://tinybc.sourceforge.net/tinybctut.txt
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[1:55] <ManiacTwister> Are there any CSI-Cameras/drivers for the rpi yet?
[1:56] <Elspuddy> bah , it did not work
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[1:58] <Elspuddy> how do i find out if there is a device attrached but just not monted ?
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[1:59] <heraclitus_> lsusb?
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[2:00] <Elspuddy> thanks heraclitus_
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[2:01] <Elspuddy> o.k so some how the pi dose not find my 16 gig usb stick till i start x
[2:01] <Essobi> heraclitus_: tiny basic? Oooo.
[2:01] <heraclitus_> thanks Essobi :)
[2:03] <Elspuddy> il sort this out tommorw
[2:03] <Elspuddy> nn
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[2:08] <djazz> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4472163595647&set=o.203296286406503&type=1 ;)
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[2:09] <djazz> it's the rpi-powered remote controlled robot ^
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[2:46] <rikkib> A volcano in middle of NZ erupted. Only small but...
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[6:25] <tpaulus> Hello, does anyone know how to use I2C to communicate with a ATTiny 85?
[6:29] <tpaulus> Hello, does anyone know how to use I2C to communicate with a ATTiny 85?
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[6:31] <tpaulus> what I2C library is recomended
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[6:47] <OutOfLine> PiBot is a bit verbose
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[6:52] <Duncan3> ouch
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[7:02] <Adrenline> Anyone know what may be happening when you get "missed completion of cmd 18" at the very end of the installer every time? Ive' tried different types of verified/compatible sd's, made sure nothing else is plugged in, tried the windows and mac installers, and always the same thing, same time, every time.
[7:02] <Adrenline> probably helps to note it's the raspbmc installer, heh
[7:04] <Adrenline> also have verified it's got enough power, including testing the test points.
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[7:18] <Dan39> i thought all the new revision 2 from RS suppose to be 512mb ram?
[7:18] <Dan39> they told me 512
[7:18] <Dan39> i get it and it seems only 256
[7:19] <Dan39> them freakin bastards lied again
[7:19] <peluke> there is a OS change that needs to happen to see the extra 256
[7:19] <peluke> iirc
[7:19] <Dan39> o really?
[7:19] <Dan39> hmm peluke ... didnt i see that nick recently <_<
[7:19] <shiftplusone> You can check by looking at the chip and reading the part code on it
[7:20] <Dan39> nvm must of been in here peluke lol
[7:21] <Dan39> shiftplusone: ah it does say 4G
[7:22] <Dan39> i was looking at my old pi and new pi comparing that
[7:22] <Dan39> but thought they looked the same
[7:22] <Dan39> they are nearly the same haha
[7:22] <Dan39> but til i red the forum post saying 4th digit 2g or 4g in part number starting with K4P, i didnt notice that different <_<
[7:22] <Adrenline> anyone have any ideas on the issue I posted?
[7:23] <shiftplusone> Adrenline, raspbmc seems to have a reputation for being broken most of the time.
[7:23] <Adrenline> :-/
[7:23] <Adrenline> *sigh*
[7:23] <Adrenline> that's unfortunate
[7:23] <shiftplusone> but I don't use it, I just see people complain about it.
[7:23] <Dan39> shiftplusone: really?
[7:23] <Dan39> mines working fine
[7:24] <shiftplusone> I don't know, I said 'seems' because I don't have personal experience to verify that.
[7:24] <Adrenline> not sure if it's some weird issue with the net installers and the new 512's, or what. but same issue, same time, every time
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[7:25] <Adrenline> going to try the prebuilt image in a few mins, see if it makes a difference
[7:26] <mgarces> good morning
[7:30] <peluke> 'morning
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[7:35] <Adrenline> damn, prebuilt was even worse
[7:36] <peluke> have you installed a stock os and confirmed it's not a hardware issue?
[7:38] <Adrenline> not yet, might go that route with a basic debian image next
[7:38] <Adrenline> old pi had hardware issue, rma'd, finally got new one back today about 2 hours ago after ordering in march, haha
[7:38] <peluke> yar .. will confirm you dont have a problem with the memory card
[7:39] <Adrenline> I have tried multiple brands types of cards though, all on confirmed working list, on all cards, same issue happens at same time
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[7:54] <petern_> It worked for me last night.
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[8:07] <Adrenline> so, full pre built image worked fine, it's something with the net installer
[8:07] <Adrenline> *shrug* working now so I'm good. heh
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[9:03] <mgarces> yesterday I tried Raspbmc on my RPi
[9:03] <mgarces> amazing work!
[9:03] <mgarces> I was able to play very high quallity video
[9:04] <mgarces> and it was MPG4
[9:04] <mgarces> does the onboard chip decodes that?
[9:04] <mgarces> I know it does MPG2 (I bought the licence) but I'm not sure with MPG4
[9:05] <mgarces> also, I was not able to control it with my android, but I had little time
[9:05] <petern_> Yeah, tGPUUUU iss used for 264
[9:06] <petern_> Oh, keyoard sses:(
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[9:06] <mgarces> petern_: keyboard what?
[9:07] <Tachyon`> it does mpeg4
[9:07] <Tachyon`> even without raspbmc divx and so on can be palyed
[9:07] <petern_> issues
[9:07] <Tachyon`> in fact the only things it refused to play here were ancient videos enoded with DivX 3.x
[9:07] <petern_> seems better for the moment
[9:08] <mgarces> I was also able to play FLAC
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[9:08] <mgarces> but the sound was crappy, I guess it was the TV fault
[9:09] <mgarces> I have to get a HDMI splitter so I can connect the digital sound to my amplifier
[9:09] <Tachyon`> or just route the sound out of the 3.5mm connector
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[9:09] <mgarces> ye, byt then you loose a lot of quallity
[9:10] <mgarces> and for the audio geeks... thats a deal breaker
[9:10] <Tachyon`> lose
[9:10] <mgarces> also, if you route the sound of the 3.5mm connector, it does not output video from HDMI
[9:10] <Tachyon`> and aye -.o
[9:10] <Tachyon`> erm
[9:10] <Tachyon`> yes it does
[9:10] <mgarces> Tachyon`: sorry, not my main language
[9:10] <Tachyon`> the two can be set independently
[9:11] <Tachyon`> oh right, a lot of people make that error when it is their main language
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[9:11] <Tachyon`> I blame america
[9:11] <mgarces> Tachyon`: I believe you can set that independently, but yesterday my quick test, it did the opposite
[9:11] * whitman is now known as whitman_
[9:11] <mgarces> I will keep trying
[9:11] <mgarces> I was really impressed though
[9:12] <Tachyon`> I use omxplayer in raspbian do do my playback really
[9:12] <Tachyon`> atlhough xbmc is nice
[9:12] <mgarces> yes
[9:12] <Tachyon`> and supports the simplink of my LG TV
[9:12] <Tachyon`> so I can control it with the TV remote
[9:12] <mgarces> I like the media center way to control
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[9:12] <mgarces> how do you do that???
[9:12] <Tachyon`> by having a TV that supports it and turning it on, lol
[9:12] <mgarces> what is the spec?
[9:12] <Tachyon`> XBMC will detect such a TV when started in that situation and it'll just work
[9:13] <mgarces> and what TV do you have?
[9:13] <mgarces> :)
[9:13] <Tachyon`> well, LG call it Simplink
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[9:13] <mgarces> ok
[9:13] <Tachyon`> but I think it really has another name
[9:13] <mgarces> HDMI-CEC
[9:13] <Tachyon`> the TV is an LG 37" 1080p one, I got it for ?50 as faulty then replaced two electrolytic capacitors, now it's not faulty
[9:13] <mgarces> wow
[9:13] <mgarces> lucky you!
[9:13] <mgarces> :)
[9:14] <mgarces> I did that once with a laptop
[9:14] <Tachyon`> yeah, he wouldn't pay for the repair if I wasn't certain
[9:14] <Tachyon`> and I can /never/ be 100% certain
[9:14] <petern_> Nice deal. I'm stuck with a 40" Hitachi that doesn't handle 1080p properly :S
[9:14] <Tachyon`> so he just sold it to me as faulty, lol
[9:14] <mgarces> I'm still waiting for my TV to arrive
[9:14] <Tachyon`> petern_, not 1:1 pixel mapping?
[9:14] <mgarces> LG, 37"
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[9:15] <petern_> It converts it to 1080i first... ... ...
[9:15] <Tachyon`> 37LF65-ZC this one
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[9:15] <Tachyon`> oh right, is it actually a 1920x1080 panel?
[9:15] <petern_> Yes, it is.
[9:16] <Tachyon`> it must support 1080p, you can force the mode to that in config.txt
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[9:16] <petern_> I can force the output to 1080p, but the TV still converts it to 1080i
[9:16] <mgarces> oh I remember wha tI wanted to ask
[9:17] <mgarces> if I poweroff the RPi
[9:17] <mgarces> how do I turn it back on, without plugging again the usb?
[9:17] <Tachyon`> you can't
[9:17] <Tachyon`> unless it's a new one
[9:17] <Tachyon`> in which case you can fit a reset button
[9:17] <mgarces> there is no way to power it with a remote or keyboard?
[9:17] <Tachyon`> does it have the two mounting holes?
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[9:17] <mgarces> mine its the 256MB one
[9:18] <Tachyon`> that's not what I asked...
[9:18] <mgarces> so sorry
[9:18] <mgarces> I dont remember
[9:18] <mgarces> I dont have it here with me now
[9:18] <Tachyon`> there were 3 different types of 256MB one
[9:18] <mgarces> ok, will check later
[9:18] <Tachyon`> if it has two holes in the board for mounting
[9:18] <Tachyon`> you can fit the reset button
[9:18] <Tachyon`> if it doesn't you can't
[9:18] <mgarces> I think it has 2 holes yes
[9:18] <Tachyon`> ah, I'd check the wiki to see exactly how to do it
[9:19] <Tachyon`> as I have an older one so don't actually know
[9:19] <mgarces> cool
[9:19] <Tachyon`> but it is doable
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[9:19] <mgarces> then I can connect the reset button to my arduino, and do some kind of remote reset :)
[9:19] <mgarces> it would be a nice project :)
[9:19] <Tachyon`> well, via a relay or somethign
[9:19] <mgarces> yep
[9:19] <mgarces> something like that
[9:20] <Tachyon`> old 56k modems are an excellent source of solid state relays
[9:20] <Tachyon`> assuming you dont' actualyl have them to hand
[9:20] <mgarces> don't know, also beginner level electronic guy
[9:20] <mgarces> I have a few
[9:20] <Tachyon`> ah, okay
[9:20] <mgarces> not right now
[9:20] <mgarces> because all my electronic stuff is still in my old country
[9:21] <mgarces> will come here in a container at the end of the month
[9:21] <Tachyon`> you're in portugal now?
[9:21] <Tachyon`> oh wait, that looks like a vhost, lol
[9:21] <mgarces> :)
[9:21] <mgarces> I was in Portugal
[9:22] <mgarces> what look like a vhost?
[9:22] <Tachyon`> your host
[9:22] <mgarces> ah
[9:22] <mgarces> lol
[9:22] <mgarces> ok
[9:22] <Tachyon`> mgarces is ~mgarces@s0.sysadmin.pt * purple
[9:22] <mgarces> I am at work
[9:22] <mgarces> no IRC
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[9:22] <Tachyon`> ahh
[9:22] <Tachyon`> where did you move to?
[9:22] <mgarces> so I am tunneling vai SOCKS5
[9:22] <mgarces> Mozambique
[9:22] * Tachyon` blinks
[9:23] <Tachyon`> that's an unusual choice, lol
[9:23] <mgarces> I was born here :)
[9:23] <Tachyon`> ahhh
[9:23] <mgarces> and here is the hottest country right now (economy wise)
[9:23] <Tachyon`> this one certainly isn't
[9:24] <Tachyon`> (england)
[9:24] <petern_> Forcing 1080p fixes the line flickering, I suppose. It's still blurred vertically though :-(
[9:24] <mgarces> oh
[9:24] <mgarces> I have a lot of friends there
[9:24] <Tachyon`> the government are busy punishing the poor for the actions of the super rich atm, heh
[9:24] <Tachyon`> you know, big companies get to avoid billions of pounds in tax
[9:24] <mgarces> thats like that everywhere
[9:24] <mgarces> yes, and the small fish pays for everything
[9:24] <Tachyon`> but people who are sick and unable to work are getting forced onto slave laboru schemes etc.
[9:24] <mgarces> while the sharks get fatter
[9:25] <Tachyon`> aye, suppose it isn't new really
[9:25] <Tachyon`> I'm sure we're due a revolution
[9:25] <mgarces> that what I say from Portugal
[9:25] <Tachyon`> unfortunately half the population is too glued to Jeremy Kyle to notice
[9:25] <mgarces> I have friends working in PT
[9:26] <mgarces> in high end coding and sysadmin jobs
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[9:26] <mgarces> and they earn about 1000 euros
[9:26] <mgarces> half of that goes to housing
[9:26] <mgarces> the rest you have to pay the bills and eat
[9:26] <mgarces> I was living in PT for 1 year
[9:26] <mgarces> me and my wife
[9:26] <mgarces> she lost her job
[9:27] <mgarces> 1100??? for 2 people
[9:27] <mgarces> paying the house to the bank
[9:27] <mgarces> she was did not receive help, because the house it's on her name...
[9:27] <mgarces> so... you got a house, but you are still paying to the bank... so you are rich! no need for help
[9:27] <mgarces> let me just say, that Africa does not seem so bad after that year :)
[9:28] <Tachyon`> yeah, my dad lost his house (and his business) in the last recession
[9:28] <Tachyon`> in the mid 1990s
[9:28] <Tachyon`> people went bust owing him money and took him down too
[9:29] <Tachyon`> then the bank sold the house below market value to get their money back leaving him with nothing, heh
[9:29] <mgarces> =/
[9:30] <Tachyon`> I'd moved out a year or two before but aye, that didn't go well
[9:31] <mgarces> thats crappy
[9:31] <Tachyon`> they were moved into housing in a very rough area too, almost pushed my mother into a nervous breakdown
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[9:38] <mgarces> back
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[9:53] <Brianetta> Morning all. I've received an email from Farnell telling me that my Pis are on their way, with a (not-functioning-yet) UPS tracking number. Does anybody know if UPS will require a signature in the UK?
[9:54] <Dyskette> Almost certainly.
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[9:55] <]DMackey[> Looks like my RPi will be here today also. USA.
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[9:55] <Brianetta> What a pain. Reckon a note behind the glass in the door telling them which neighbour to leave it with might work?
[9:56] <Brianetta> Should do, I reckon
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[9:56] <]DMackey[> Fedex accepts that here.
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[9:57] <Dyskette> Brianetta: might work - depends on the individual driver, really. Certainly can't hurt to try!
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[9:58] <Brianetta> The quicker the delivery method, the longer it takes to receive, IME.
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[10:08] <Brianetta> Time to go to work.
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[10:13] <cdan> hello there
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[10:14] <BurtyB> bah I missed Brianetta
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[10:16] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[10:23] <mgarces> hey CelticTurnip
[10:24] <petern_> Ah, Brianetta comes here too, heh
[10:26] <petern_> Seems RISC OS is the most responsive desktop OS so far. Shame that most original apps are not 32 bit compatible :-(
[10:27] <tobias> define desktop OS ;-)
[10:28] <cdan> is this the right channel to talk about raspberrypi hardware prob\lems/solutions ?
[10:30] <CelticTurnip> cdan: you can ask, and if anyone can help I'm sure they will
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[10:31] <tobias> so cdan drop all your solutions here ;-)
[10:32] <cdan> I am trying to figure out how to protect the I2C lines on raspberrypi from common wiring errors like shortcircuit to 5V or grounding etc.
[10:32] <cdan> I am using a protoboard for development
[10:32] <cdan> any ideas ?
[10:33] <akiwiguy> be careful :p
[10:33] <Jck_true> cdan: Grounding *shouldn't* be a problem
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:33] <Jck_true> I'm not sure what the 5v would do through :/
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> cdan, yea, be careful...
[10:33] <cdan> Jck_true, why is that ? I know that I2C have an internal 1800R pullup resistor, but how does this help ?
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> it won't help you if you connect them (or any) GPIO line to +5v.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> it's fry pi time..
[10:34] <Jck_true> Well the receiver pulls DATA linde to ground...
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> I've built up lots of stuff on my Pis since day one and with a bit of care I've never had any issues at all.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> just be careful and you'll be fine.
[10:36] <Jck_true> I smacked the polyfuse once
[10:36] <Jck_true> the Pi wouldn't boot for like 30 seconds :/ had me pretty scared
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> I have accidentally connected outputs to ground and I'm fairly sure I've accidentally connected 5V to a gpio pin too and "gotten away" with it, but it's not something I'd deliberately recommend..
[10:36] <cdan> gordonDrogon, yes right , neverthelessl I would still like to have some kind of protection on my pi ports
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> cdan, your protecting the pi from yourself... just be careful.
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> or go out and buy something like a Gertboard or PiFace...
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[10:37] <gordonDrogon> or any of the other interface boards out there.
[10:37] <cdan> gordonDrogon, I have looked at the gertboard schematics
[10:38] <cdan> gordonDrogon, and it does not have any electrical protection for I2C lines
[10:38] <cdan> gordonDrogon, it has protection for Input or Output lines but not for bidirectional ones
[10:38] <day> Jck_true: polyfuses :o i didnt know those exist..i always explained it with magic if my pc suddenly decides to bootup again :P
[10:39] <Jck_true> cdan: Still - The grounding shouldn't be a problem with I2C...
[10:40] <Jck_true> It's the overvoltage which is the problem...
[10:40] <anildigital_work> Hi .. today I received my second raspberry pi..
[10:40] <Jck_true> Both sender and receiver controls the DATA and the CLK lines on an I2C bus
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[10:42] <Lobs> dero: Hi! in response to your message yesterday, yes i believe i got the cmd13 timeouts with the old kernel.
[10:42] <cdan> Jck_true, I know both I2C pins can also be configured as GPIO. Are they setup as I2C after boot ?
[10:42] <Jck_true> cdan: Oh :| I did not think about that
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[10:43] <dero> hi
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[10:43] <BlackFate> hello! and good morning! i used omxplayer -o hdmi -r video.mov... but i got the black screen of death after i quit the video. how can i fix that?
[10:43] <dero> @Lobs: what has changed? Did you get cmd13 timeouts at boot or later also?
[10:44] <anildigital_work> what should I do with second one?
[10:44] <Lobs> dero: what has changed are seeing messages about ext4 etc
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[10:45] <dero> Lobs: I mean did you have any data corruption? can you provide an old and a new log?
[10:45] <Lobs> dero:i guess i could revert back to the old kernel and record the output again?
[10:45] <cdan> Jck_true, gertboard solves this problem by using a buffer and limitting the current with some resistors. The only drawback is that you have to use a jumper for selecting direction Input or Output
[10:45] <cdan> Jck_true, for I2C lines this is not an option
[10:47] <cdan> Jck_true, furthermore when the master/slave puts a 0 on the line, I suppose it does not short it to the ground, it has an internal impedance that is not 0, so the current that you drain from PI is limited
[10:48] <Jck_true> cdan: I'm lost on that I'm afried... I just implemented an i2c stack in software.. Only vaguely know how it works in ahrdware
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[10:49] <cdan> gordonDrogon, for a 3v3 VCC what is the minimim voltage that is still interpreted as logic 1 ?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> cdan, if you build a protection device for the pi, how are you going to protect that device?
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[10:49] <gordonDrogon> cdan, it's about 1.7v I think, but I'd have to look it up to be sure.
[10:49] <day> cdan: afair U>0,7*Vcc is considered as 1
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> I built a software gpio oscillator a while back and it was swinging round 1.1 to 1.7v ... (don't ask why)
[10:50] <cdan> gordonDrogon, :) well I know what you mean, I am jsut trying to build a board that on one end connects to the PI and on the other end provides a place for hooking wires etc. that will not be soldered so the chances for a short is greater
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> cdan, what about the Mike Cook board? it has zener diodes and built in series resistors..
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Raspberry/Breakout.html
[10:51] <cdan> gordonDrogon, I have tried that solution too. I was not able to see the I2C sensor on my line
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[10:52] <cdan> gordonDrogon, this is why I aaksed about the minimim voltage for 1
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> cdan, oh ok - just for I2C - well - Hm. Really, just connect it up. If your remote device is powered by 3.3v then there is nothing to wory about.
[10:52] <cdan> gordonDrogon, I have used 1W zener which I later found out have a big Iz = 67ma
[10:53] <artag> I2C stands for inter-integrated-circuit (bus). It was never intended to go off-board. But there are I2C buffers available that automatically sense direction
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> if your remote device is 5v and not one of the ultra fast devices then in-theiry there is still nothing to wory about as I2C is driven by open collector outputs...
[10:53] <anildigital_work> what is amazing use of RPi?
[10:53] <anildigital_work> as per you..
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> however some of the ultra high-speed devices actively pull to 5v...
[10:54] <cdan> gordonDrogon, with them and a 330R in line with the diode , the drop on the diode was ~half of VCC = ~1.5 which is too low
[10:55] <cdan> gordonDrogon, I'll try with some 200mw SMD zener that has a Iz=5ma maybe with them I can go close to 1.7v
[10:56] <djazz> anildigital_work: I have three.. I use one in kitchen as webradio
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> are you interfacing to 5v kit or 3.3v kit?
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[10:56] <cdan> gordonDrogon, 3.3v sensor but I want to also add a level shifter so I can connect 5V sensors too
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> my view is that if interfacing to 3.3v kit then there really is no point in adding in protection,buffers, etc. it's a waste of time.
[10:57] <artag> http://www.nxp.com/documents/application_note/AN10441.pdf
[10:57] <cdan> gordonDrogon, yes, this one is the one
[10:58] <artag> the sparkfun board implements the FET scheme in that app note
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> the 5v to 3.3v is a simple resistor divider though, but it's fine for what it's for.
[10:59] <cdan> artag, read this one too but I do not think the shifter offers any protection against miswirings
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> cdan, can't you just check it twice before powering it on?
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> cdan, you're looking for a solution to protect you against yourself. The only thing that will really do that is your little grey cells...
[10:59] <cdan> gordonDrogon, the sparkfun level shifter has 4 channels , 2 of them bidirectional and 2 of them unidircetiona;
[11:00] <artag> cdan: that's right, it's just for on-board interfacing
[11:00] <cdan> gordonDrogon, the unidirectional channels are using a simple divider
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> ok - I'm not going to help protect you against your own mis-wiring.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> we all make mistakes - and learn from them. time to learn.
[11:01] <cdan> gordonDrogon, np :) I was just curious
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> you just need to be careful and methodical.
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> I've built up many 100-wire monsters for the Pi so-far and not blown one up yet...
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> here's something that I made up as I went along: https://projects.drogon.net/adafruit-protoplate-for-the-rasbperry-pi/
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> nothing desparate, but I was dealing with a 9v supply and motors and the Pi ..
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[11:26] <Davespice> folks, has anyone here been able to get spidermonkey to compile on the Pi?
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[11:28] <Elspuddy> morning
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[12:03] <petern_> On RISC OS, sometimes input from my keyboard & mouse is lost. Is this likely to be a power supply issue?
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[12:05] <shiftplusone> Yes, but a different power supply and/or a powered hub might not help you.
[12:05] <petern_> Hmm :S
[12:06] <shiftplusone> Do you get the same problem in linux and what's the voltage between tp1 and tp2 when the devices are plugged in?
[12:06] <petern_> I've not used Linux on it long enough to notice.
[12:06] <petern_> I haven't checked any voltages.
[12:07] <shiftplusone> Also, does your pi board have the polyfuses on the usb side?
[12:07] <petern_> Pass. It's one of the 512MB models.
[12:07] <shiftplusone> look at the board, next to the USB jack
[12:08] <shiftplusone> Do you see two rectangular chips labeled F1 and F2?
[12:08] <shiftplusone> between the LEDs and the usb jacks
[12:08] <petern_> I'd have to check when I'm at home. However input is not totally lost. It's just some keypresses/button clicks don't "make it through"
[12:09] <shiftplusone> Yes, that's common.
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[12:10] <shiftplusone> In my case, one of my keyboard tries to draw enough current to cause a voltage drop on the polyfuse, so it operates under a low voltage (which you wouldn't see between tp1 and tp2) which makes it act a bit flakey.
[12:10] <pecorade> Hi.
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[12:10] <petern_> Might be out of spec, I suppose, I'm using a PS/2 keyboard via a PS/2-USB adapter.
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[12:11] <petern_> Oh, and when I unplug the keyboard the mouse works perfectly again...
[12:12] <Hoerie> isn't ps/2 power draw 275mA?
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[12:12] <petern_> Hoerie, don't know, but the adapter has ports for both, so I guess that could go over. The mouse is a separate wireless one with a USB reciever.
[12:13] <shiftplusone> petern_, You're expecting a bit too much there. Wireless is not the way to go. You need low power devices. http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[12:14] <petern_> (Also, damn, the USB hub I have here is hot...)
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[12:17] <AndrevS> I use a powered USB hub between my pi and any usb device, just to be on the save side.
[12:21] <petern_> PCs have so many USB ports it's hard to find a powered hub in shops :S
[12:22] <shiftplusone> And most are terrible, because they don't need to be good to work with PCs
[12:22] <AndrevS> Really. I just walked in to the local computer store and asked for a powered usb hub.
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[12:23] <petern_> I was in maplin. They have powered hubs, but none of them are sold with a power supply.
[12:23] <AndrevS> Even though, the power supply was only 1A, for 4 ports... so it should have been a little over 2A.
[12:23] <petern_> Exactly :)
[12:23] <petern_> The power adapter for a 7 port hub I had once was pretty chunky.
[12:24] <petern_> (But the hub died)
[12:24] <petern_> Think it was USB 1.1 only too
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[12:24] <AndrevS> And I only bought a new once since my old one appeared to be broken.
[12:26] <AndrevS> The old one did have a 2.5A adaptor
[12:27] <Elspuddy> how do i mount a device ? mount /dev/sda1 ??
[12:28] <Jck_true> Elspuddy: mount dev dest
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Elspuddy, first of all, 'man mount' and google. Other than that, you need to specify where you want to mount it, for example mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/something
[12:29] <shiftplusone> hmm... 'man mount' doesn't sound right, but ok.
[12:29] <AndrevS> gehehehe
[12:29] <Elspuddy> lol
[12:30] <Elspuddy> well what im trying to do is boot my pi from a usb hard drive
[12:30] <Jck_true> You have to boot from an SD card
[12:30] <Hoerie> <shiftplusone> hmm... 'man mount' doesn't sound right, but ok. <-- 'mount man' would sound worse
[12:31] <Lexip> Hoerie :D
[12:31] <AndrevS> I guess he means having the rootfs on hard disk. So, boot loader+kernel on hd, and then telling the kernel root=/dev/sda1
[12:31] <AndrevS> sd*
[12:31] <Elspuddy> AndrevS : bingo :)
[12:31] <AndrevS> boot loader + kernel on sd, root fs on hd
[12:32] <Elspuddy> just trying to figure it out :)
[12:32] <shiftplusone> AndrevS, * bootloader+kernel on SD
[12:33] <AndrevS> typo, i already corrected it, didn't I?
[12:33] <shiftplusone> oh... yeah, reading might have been a good idea on my end.
[12:34] <AndrevS> Anyhow, I've seen a boot loader for raspberry ( http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot ) which should simplify things, but I haven't tried it yet.
[12:34] <Jck_true> Reading is overrated - Just like spelling and common sense...
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[12:35] <shiftplusone> Wow... berryboot is plagiarism if I've even seen any.
[12:35] * shiftplusone goes to check the source code to make sure
[12:36] <shiftplusone> Nope, not plagiarism, nvrm.
[12:36] <shiftplusone> Just looks identical externally to something else.
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[12:37] <AndrevS> are there other boot managers for raspberry?
[12:38] <shiftplusone> Not good ones that I am aware of.
[12:39] <shiftplusone> strictly speaking they are not boot managers, just barebones distros which switch the rootfs
[12:40] <shiftplusone> Unfortunatly kexec doesn't work (well) so you can't switch kernels or anything like that.
[12:40] <AndrevS> Just switch the rootfs... so, using the *same* kernel? not really what I am looking for
[12:40] <petern_> You want a grub replacement?
[12:41] <shiftplusone> AndrevS, I have not looked too deeply into berryboot, maybe they have found a way around the problem.
[12:42] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/maxnet/berryboot/blob/master/buildroot-2012.05/package/berryboot/init
[12:42] <shiftplusone> yeah, it doesn't do anything other than switch_root
[12:42] <AndrevS> I haven't looked at it yet either. I just found out about it though a link on the cubieboard site. Once my second raspberry arrives, I can play a little with in, as my first is running as a print/file server
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[12:42] <shiftplusone> Why do you need different kernels?
[12:43] <shiftplusone> ah nvrm then
[12:47] <Dyskette> Didn't one of the FreeBSD guys port u-boot to the pi?
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[13:19] <Elspuddy> o.k strange i rebooted the pi and now its booting off hte usb hd :)
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[13:23] <dekroning> hi
[13:24] <mgarces> hi there
[13:24] <dekroning> I would like to use my raspberrypi in some proprietary system, is there a way to make sure the OS image and it's software isn't able to be downloaded from the chip?
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[13:26] <mgarces> I guess you could turn it binary.. but it would still be possible to download it...
[13:27] <Meatballs> from the sdcard?
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[13:29] <Jck_true> dekroning: Well - Just ensure all software you have on the SD card is in binary format?
[13:29] <xranby> dekroning: fist make sure you comply with all licenses for the software used on your system
[13:30] <Meatballs> Jck_true, if its worth someones while it'll get reverse engineered :>
[13:31] <Jck_true> Meatballs: Yeah - So it's no differnt than any other system...
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[13:33] <Meatballs> only real protection for sdcard whould be full (disk) encryption but require authentication when it boots up
[13:34] <Jck_true> Meatballs: Well - In theory thoose steps can also be preformed on another system
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[13:34] <mgarces> Meatballs: you could also bound the binaries to a given serial number, so its useless somewhere else... don't know how to do it, just throwing ideas...
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[13:35] <Jck_true> mgarces: Yeah I'm new to Linux myself - But I've been looking at locking SD cards to one raspberry - (prevent people swapping them accidentially in a PLC setup)
[13:36] <mgarces> Jck_true: I am also worried with something like that.. I even asked yesterday about a case that hides the SDCard...
[13:37] <Jck_true> mgarces: Well that should be fairly easy with a script at boottime that compares the serialnumber with a file on the FAT32 partion
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[13:37] <Jck_true> If there's a mismatch refuse to boot
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[13:38] <Jck_true> I'm looking to make a simple home oriented PLC solution - Where you program it from a webserver hosted on the device
[13:38] <mgarces> Jck_true: I have an idea on how (even using udev) but didn't test it myself to suggest how to do it :)
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[13:39] <Jck_true> My main issue is making a suitable web interface for PLC programming :/
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[13:44] <artag> Jck_true: will that involve custom hardware too, or mostly a software thing ?
[13:45] <joar> Hello raspberries, I'm pretty new to fiddling with electronics. Soldered together my first boarduino a few weeks ago and now I want to control 8 12-240V (haven't decided on the hardware yet) lights in using a RaspberryPi.
[13:45] <Jck_true> artag: Software at first.. But i hope to make it hardware based once - specificly 230V relays
[13:45] <joar> my question is: how do you control >5V appliances using 5V electronics?
[13:45] <artag> ok, I'm interested in doing something more plc-like in hardware, it might complement your project nicely
[13:46] <Jck_true> joar: transistors + relays
[13:46] <artag> joar: for such a wide range of voltages, relays are probably the most convenient
[13:46] <artag> (with transistors to drive them as Jck_true suggests)
[13:46] <joar> artag: Jck_true: are there any instructions available for this kind of project?
[13:47] <artag> the piface board is a start
[13:47] <artag> you'd have to add more relays but that's straightforward
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[13:48] <Jck_true> joar: I'm trying to locate a forum post about hacking one of thoose 6 plug extension cards with a red switch on them
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[13:50] <joar> Jck_true: artag: I'd like to be able to dim the ligths individually too, can that be achieved using transistors + relays or would I need any additional hardware?
[13:50] <artag> no, you'd need triacs for that
[13:51] <artag> and they have to be run using optoisolators from the pi
[13:51] <Jck_true> joar: You possibly need more hardware aswell - Since the pi only has one PWM output
[13:51] <artag> you might look at driving remote-controlled light dimmers instead
[13:52] <Tachyon`> PICs have more than 1 PCM output and can do USB
[13:52] <artag> then the mains-y bit is ready built and you don't have to go near the high voltages
[13:52] <Jck_true> artag: My goal is a software plc - Read only linux system - Programmable from a web browser (Settings saved to the FAT partion for easy backup)
[13:52] <joar> artag: I think that might be a good idea.
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[13:53] <joar> artag: what is it I should be searching for if I'm looking for remote-controlled light dimmers?
[13:53] <Jck_true> joar: Where are you located?
[13:54] <joar> Jck_true: Sweden
[13:54] <nid0> my approach to light dimming is a bit less diy, I use lightwaverf switches, you can buy a wifi link box to go with them thatll accept commands via http
[13:55] <artag> Jck_true: i also want the read-only linux, though I'm not that fond of traditional plc ladders. It has a place though. I'm more interested in something packaged up to be installed in a cupboard and drive sensible loads, leaving the sofware to the users. so it would fit in well with your application
[13:55] <nid0> or can buy various RF transciever usb sticks thatll interface with the dimmers
[13:55] <artag> the Ciseco Eve box is aimed at interfacing to wireless controls
[13:56] <nid0> oo, and supports lightwaverf too
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[13:57] <artag> joar: http://homeeasyhacking.wikia.com/wiki/Home_Easy_Hacking_Wiki is one site. There is uinformation for other protocols elsewhere
[13:57] <Jck_true> artag: PLC Ladders?
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[13:58] <artag> ladder diagrams, the traditional way of programming PLCs based on relay logic
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[13:59] <Jck_true> artag: Oh yeah - I hope to make some sort of combination - Basic stuff from a GUI - and if it's more complicated Lua/Ruby/JS
[13:59] <Jck_true> Anyway - Nothing happens as long I just talk about it :)
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[14:00] <artag> yes, good approach. make something with a web interface that's based on simple diagrams and supplement it with code when that's too simple
[14:00] <Jck_true> artag: Web interface is my whole problem now :|
[14:00] <Jck_true> I've made the read-only - with gearman scripts for making it writeable for apt-get update etc
[14:01] <Jck_true> artag: Thanks for your input :)
[14:01] <joar> I wonder if using DMX would be more convenient.
[14:02] <artag> you'd still need an interface, but if you don't mind buying DMX lights it's probably a more robust way to do it
[14:02] <Jck_true> joar: That looks pretty convient actually - You can get UART <->RS485 converters
[14:03] <dekroning> Jck_true: right, like that means C/C++ right?
[14:03] <Jck_true> dekroning: Sorry? :)
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[14:07] <Jck_true> dekroning: You can do the UART stuff from most languages :)
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[14:09] * gordonDrogon shrieks at seeing mention of 'ladder diagrams' !!!
[14:09] <artag> rightly so
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I did a 4-day course with TI learning all about their controllers and ladder - once upon a time...
[14:10] <chris_99> ladder logic, is what's used by PLCs isn't it
[14:11] <Jck_true> We have our own homemade PLC... Which is seriously disturbing sometimes (We only got 16 flags, 16 times that run at preset times etc etc)
[14:11] <Jck_true> Im fairly sure this results in even more horrible programs than ladder diagrams :D
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[14:13] <Jck_true> I just have to find an easy graphical way of doing this from a webinterface :|
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, why not just program it natively - write your own interpreter for it if you have that capabiltiy...
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> it always struck me as odd when I first strted using them - 25 years ago - that it would have been far easier for me to just write a program in C to do the same task on the same hardware.
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[14:21] <artag> easier for you & me, but not for the sparkies used to wiring up relays
[14:22] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I want it to be simple for the end user... It's basic stuff like - "If that relay is high send email to x@y.com"
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> yea.
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[14:22] <artag> Scratch is actually quite close to that, though I find it painful to use
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[14:23] <artag> and it's not a web interface
[14:23] <Jck_true> Our current PLC devices works just fine - It's just a PITA having the local electrician call every time a guy gets a new phone number
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> I remember the speciaist terminals we used to program them too... I suspect they jsut had a fancy character generator with fonts for () and stuff..
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> -(n)-
[14:23] <arcanescu> i ahve an easycap device. do i need to get the driver for it on the pi or it should autodetect?
[14:24] <Jck_true> arcanescu: Plug it in and check the dmesg / syslog output :)
[14:24] <arcanescu> Jck_true: did that it wasnt detected
[14:24] <arcanescu> i mean it did find something on the usb, but no /dev/video*
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[14:24] <shiftplusone> Kind of answers the question the, doesn't it? =p
[14:24] <arcanescu> so im guessing it didnt work
[14:25] <Jck_true> arcanescu: Does it mention anything about firmware? (My TV stick required a firmware blob i had to download - then it worked fine)
[14:25] <shiftplusone> pastebin the dmesg output
[14:25] <arcanescu> is there something in the repo? prebuilt drivers or something i could get hold of?
[14:25] <arcanescu> let me pastebin the dmesg
[14:25] <Jck_true> arcanescu: Oh and check the power - I wrestled 2 days with my tv stick to discover the tuning issues were because of power draw
[14:26] <arcanescu> Jck_true; im powering the pi through a power supply not through usb
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[14:26] <arcanescu> the usb hub is a powered hub
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[14:28] <arcanescu> http://pastebin.com/q7jpRin0
[14:28] <shiftplusone> that's all the relevant parts?
[14:28] <Weaselweb> looks like there is no driver for this device
[14:28] <arcanescu> yes
[14:28] <shiftplusone> If so, yeah, it's not recognised.
[14:29] <shiftplusone> can you pastebin the output of lsusb -vv
[14:29] <arcanescu> but ive seen people sue easycap on rpi ... its a standard usb device
[14:29] <arcanescu> one sec
[14:29] <Disconnect> fyi for all of yesterday's nay-sayers, basic nfs fileserving off the pi this morning is giving over 3M/sec. hopefully raid-1 won't drop that too much. i'll find out tomorrowish when i get the real drives
[14:29] <Disconnect> yah just completed, 514M in 143.7 seconds, 3.6MB/s according to dd
[14:29] <shiftplusone> gosh darn nay-sayers >=/
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[14:30] <arcanescu> hmmm in on a serial console its hard to copy the output from lsusb -vv
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[14:30] <arcanescu> the usb hub is a powered hub
[14:30] <Disconnect> we'll see what it looks like in real life with other load (and raid-1, and writes..) but so far its looking acceptable
[14:31] <shiftplusone> Why is it hard to copy the output from a serial console?
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[14:32] <Disconnect> minicom/hyperterm/screen all have "save log" options..
[14:32] <arcanescu> im using gtkterm
[14:32] <shiftplusone> I am sure lsusb -v will do if you're having trouble
[14:32] <Disconnect> worst case use typescript
[14:32] <shiftplusone> hell lsusb alone should be enough
[14:32] <Disconnect> er 'script'
[14:33] <arcanescu> sec
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[14:34] <arcanescu> http://pastebin.com/7GbKJNEr
[14:34] <shiftplusone> nvrm, What I was after is in dmesg anyway
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[14:34] <shiftplusone> but that helps, thanks
[14:35] <arcanescu> so is it that there is no driveR?
[14:35] <arcanescu> or a hub issue?
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[14:35] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12437&p=177649
[14:35] <shiftplusone> I haven't read the thread but it's about the same device
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[14:36] <arcanescu> okay seems like id have to compile the drivers
[14:36] <shiftplusone> Yup, have fun =)
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[14:38] <Jck_true> My_goofy_command | curl -F "sprunge=<-" http://sprunge.us
[14:39] <Weaselweb> wgetpaste
[14:39] <arcanescu> shiftplusone; http://pastebin.com/RGYVpqXR lsusb -vv
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[14:40] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, just needed the vendor and device IDs to find what driver it needed.
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[14:40] <arcanescu> STK1160 is the one basically
[14:40] <arcanescu> i thought it was prebuilt in the kernel
[14:41] <arcanescu> since 2.6.38 kernel
[14:41] <arcanescu> https://github.com/piotr-e/stk1160-raspberrypi aha :D
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[14:42] <arcanescu> im not sure if this is a standalone version
[14:42] <arcanescu> or wud it require linux headers
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[14:44] <Jck_true> I dislike the recent rush to github :/
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[14:46] <arcanescu> someone should put compile versions of the driver up :/
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[14:47] <Jck_true> arcanescu: You can't build it?
[14:47] <arcanescu> well i need to clone the headers first then build them
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[14:47] <arcanescu> im not so sure exactly how
[14:48] <Weaselweb> it's a shame he doesn't try to mainline that driver
[14:48] <Jck_true> arcanescu: sudo apt-get install git
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[14:48] <Weaselweb> apparently
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[14:48] <Jck_true> git clone git://github.com/piotr-e/stk1160-raspberrypi.git
[14:49] <Jck_true> cd stk1160-raspberrypi
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[14:49] <Jck_true> make
[14:49] <shiftplusone> arcanescu, put in the time and effort to learn how to build drivers. Will save you a lot of hassle.
[14:49] <arcanescu> Jck_true: make -C /lib/modules/3.2.27+/build M=/opt/stk1160-raspberrypi-for_v3.2 modules
[14:50] <arcanescu> make: *** /lib/modules/3.2.27+/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[14:50] <arcanescu> shiftplusone: im with you on that one
[14:50] <jelly1> try using your distro's tools
[14:50] <jelly1> ...
[14:50] <arcanescu> i just need totest this device as soon as i can
[14:50] <jelly1> as always..
[14:51] <arcanescu> it requires headers i dont have them on the pi
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[14:51] <jelly1> what distro
[14:51] <arcanescu> wheezy
[14:51] <Weaselweb> that's why proper cross-compiling is easy to go
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[14:51] <arcanescu> offical one from the rpi site
[14:51] <jelly1> i would a) install kernel headers
[14:51] <jelly1> b) create a .deb
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[14:51] <jelly1> c) dont make install to your system
[14:52] <jelly1> unless you know what you are doing
[14:52] <arcanescu> hmm
[14:53] <jelly1> arcanescu: whats this driver btw
[14:53] <arcanescu> STK1160
[14:53] <jelly1> h i see
[14:53] <arcanescu> easy cap driver
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[15:06] <arcanescu> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=21293 well thanks to whoever made the .deb package here
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[15:22] <BlackFate> Hello, is rpi-update script recommended?
[15:23] <dero> yes
[15:24] <dero> I am using it ;)
[15:24] <dero> all: does anyone have a good WAY to replicate SD card corruption? config.txt + cmdline.txt + activity
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[15:24] <BlackFate> dero, apart from this script, will rasbian ever upgrade the firmware with just dist-upgrades?
[15:25] <dero> BlackFate, dist-upgrades does update all the packages and also the kernel on debian system. But, the Pi is "special"
[15:26] <dero> IMHO the kernel is not stored in the Debian repos
[15:27] <BlackFate> oh ok! thought they ware all part of rasbian
[15:27] <BlackFate> thanks dero !
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[15:41] <Davespice> ladies and gents, boys and girls, if anyone here is good at solving Linux build issues; help would be greatly appreciated here; http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23423
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[15:42] <shiftplusone> You're porting oolite?
[15:42] * Davespice grins
[15:42] <shiftplusone> =D
[15:42] <shiftplusone> isn't it going to be a pin converting over to opengl es?
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[15:42] <Davespice> tyring to, at the moment this is more of an evaluation
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[15:43] <Davespice> yeah, it looks like, from the code that the graphics engine is all that needs to change
[15:43] <shiftplusone> Haven't come across that error unfortunatly =(
[15:43] <Davespice> it could be really horrible needing shader pipelines to be rewritten
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[15:44] <Davespice> its complex, for anyone to be any help at all they're probably going to need to follow the steps at the bottom of my post and try it themselves + look at what the makefiles say
[15:44] <[SkG]> Davespice, your prolem relies on building spidermonkey?
[15:45] <Davespice> correct, the build of spidermonkey is part of the overall Oolite build script
[15:45] <Davespice> I have found this though; https://github.com/iriscouch/build-couchdb/issues/58#issuecomment-9939332
[15:45] <[SkG]> ok, let me check something
[15:45] <Davespice> but I don't know what to do with that information
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[15:50] <Davespice> this is the exact package its trying to build; http://jens.ayton.se/oolite/deps/firefox-4.0.source.js-only.tbz
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[15:51] <jelly1> yay obscure source
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[15:54] <shiftplusone> Davespice, there seems to be a lot of interest in porting oolite to pi on the oolite forum, so maybe looking there might yield something
[15:54] <shiftplusone> way nvrm... that's your post >.>
[15:54] <shiftplusone> (wait
[15:54] <shiftplusone> gah.... my keyboard is all wrong today.
[15:54] <Davespice> yeah I am active on their forum
[15:54] <jelly1> oolite the game?
[15:54] <arcanescu> ive now got this file INSTALL /opt/stk1160-raspberrypi-for_v3.2/stk1160.ko
[15:54] <arcanescu> compiled and ready...
[15:54] <arcanescu> after this i do depmod -a
[15:54] <shiftplusone> jelly1, indeed
[15:55] <arcanescu> and reinsert my device and apparently its still not getting detected
[15:55] <jelly1> arcanescu: dmesg
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[15:55] <arcanescu> jelly1: its the same as before doesnt say driver loaded or anything
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[15:55] <jelly1> arcanescu: you didnt load it
[15:55] <arcanescu> should i manually insmod it? or do i need to move the file .ko to somewhere else
[15:55] <jelly1> just insmod it
[15:56] <arcanescu> Error: could not insert module stk1160.ko: Unknown symbol in module
[15:56] <jelly1> awesome
[15:57] <arcanescu> .
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[15:58] <shiftplusone> Well... I am going to reboot into linux and give this compile a go.
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[15:59] <[SkG]> Davespice, I'v checked the error and I can reproduce it. I'll have a look later into it. If I discover something I'll reply your post.
[15:59] <arcanescu> jelly1: what could be the problem ?
[15:59] <jelly1> arcanescu: no clue
[15:59] <jelly1> check dmesg
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[16:01] <arcanescu> jelly1: http://pastebin.com/RzjdcrLi
[16:01] <jelly1> go go google
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[16:04] <anildigital> fi you guys have two raspberry pis what do you use second one for?
[16:04] <anildigital> first one I use as media center
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[16:10] <LostInInaka> anildigital: I have 4: a media center, a SSH/VPN Server, a game system, and???uhhhhhh not sure about the fourth yet???but maybe something to do with my dslr
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[16:11] <tobias> LostInInaka: why cant 1 to 3 be one system? :)
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[16:12] <LostInInaka> well???the media center is portable, so I can take with me???the SSH/VPN server is perm-connected next to my route, the game system is for???ahem???work???.and the 4th???.portability???so yeah, I could probably manage with 2 but why? :)
[16:13] <g_r_eek> hey channel, i have running an image from raspberry-asterisk.org which is pretty much slimed down, with starts i can start the LXDE - is there a way to install midori web browser or any other? i tried with pacman but packman is not found
[16:13] <g_r_eek> *startx
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[16:13] <jelly1> g_r_eek: go ask the distro guys
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[16:14] <g_r_eek> jelly1: from rasberry-asterisk ?
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[16:14] <jelly1> g_r_eek: ofcourse
[16:14] <petern_> Hmm, yeah... tried with the USB hub and the keyboard's still problematic :-(
[16:15] <g_r_eek> jelly1: they do not seem to have an irc channel, anyone in here knows how?
[16:15] <linuxstb> g_r_eek: Guessing it may be based on Raspbian, try apt-get
[16:16] * jelly1 wonders why ppl create these silly distro's
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[16:16] <jelly1> imo just use raspbian
[16:16] <g_r_eek> linuxstb: yes it is raspbian apt-get install (and whats the package of midori?)
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[16:17] <linuxstb> Try "apt-cache search midori"
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[16:18] <g_r_eek> linuxstb: thanks!
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[18:12] <gazzwi86> has anyone got gsstreamer working?
[18:13] <gazzwi86> I'm running into an error when using the pulsesink: GstPulseSink:pulsesink0: Failed to connect: Connection refused
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[18:20] <BlackFate> gazzwi86, maybe add yourself to pulse and pulse-access group?
[18:20] <gazzwi86> BlackFate: how would I do that?
[18:21] <BlackFate> usermod -G -a pulse pi
[18:21] <BlackFate> usermod -G -a pulse-access pi
[18:21] <BlackFate> with sudo
[18:22] <gazzwi86> BlackFate: group '-a' does not exist
[18:22] <gazzwi86> does that mean pulse does not exist
[18:22] <BlackFate> sozzz
[18:22] <BlackFate> -a -G
[18:22] <BlackFate> reverse the order
[18:23] <gazzwi86> cool
[18:23] <gazzwi86> worked
[18:23] <gazzwi86> but still same error with the pipeline
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[18:23] <gazzwi86> is this a gsstreamer plugin issue do you think?
[18:23] <BlackFate> gazzwi86, before issuing the command try to relogin..
[18:24] <gazzwi86> reboot?
[18:24] <BlackFate> well... ok :P if it makes it easier for you
[18:24] <BlackFate> reboot
[18:24] <gazzwi86> BlackFate: I don't know how to re log in
[18:25] <gazzwi86> :/
[18:25] <BlackFate> reboot it. its ok
[18:25] <gazzwi86> kool
[18:25] <gazzwi86> waiting for it to come back up
[18:25] <gazzwi86> BlackFate: still the same issue
[18:25] <BlackFate> what's the command?
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[18:27] <AeroNotix> My raspberry pi arrived!! WOOT
[18:27] <tanuva> AeroNotix: congratz, mine got shipped yesterday
[18:27] <AeroNotix> is sshd enabled by default on the ArchLinux arm build or will I need to chroot into the image whilst it's mounted on my pc?
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[18:28] <odin_> RS say they shipped yesterday evening 512Mb version, think I want to put android on it
[18:29] <AeroNotix> also - how can I see which version I got without booting it/
[18:29] <odin_> my other one 256Mb has raspbian already
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[18:31] <BlackFate> AeroNotix, from the chipset
[18:31] <AeroNotix> BlackFate: some model #?
[18:31] <BlackFate> the code written on it
[18:31] <scummos> AeroNotix: the very first version has a LED called "OK"
[18:31] <scummos> it was changed in the other two versions
[18:32] <AeroNotix> hmm, no LED OK
[18:32] <AeroNotix> :D
[18:32] <scummos> then you have either rev 1 or 2
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[18:32] <AeroNotix> ACT/PWR/FDX/LNK/100
[18:32] <AeroNotix> BlackFate: which chip?
[18:32] <scummos> yeah then you need to look at the chipsed, but ask BlackFate what it reads for which model ;)
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[18:33] <AeroNotix> the samsung chip?
[18:33] <BurtyB> AeroNotix, yes, 256 says 2G 512 says 4G somewhere in the string iirc
[18:34] <AeroNotix> X4P4G324EB-AGC1
[18:34] <AeroNotix> 512 then?
[18:34] <scummos> yes probably
[18:34] <scummos> mine says 2G
[18:34] <AeroNotix> EPIC
[18:34] <AeroNotix> so happy
[18:34] <BlackFate> y
[18:34] <AeroNotix> I was waiting from June, it got lost in the post
[18:34] <scummos> haha okay
[18:34] <scummos> wait
[18:34] <scummos> it got probably lost somewhere else
[18:35] <AeroNotix> then I got in touch with RS, they bounced me to the RPi people
[18:35] <AeroNotix> Problem is: I live in Poland
[18:35] <AeroNotix> the post is notoriously bad
[18:35] <scummos> no
[18:35] <scummos> it's not the post
[18:35] <AeroNotix> I am not surprised if it got stolen
[18:35] <scummos> it must have been shipped just recently
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[18:35] <scummos> because the 512 model is not being manufactured since a long time
[18:35] <AeroNotix> really? I had notifications that it got shipped in September
[18:35] <AeroNotix> exactly
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[18:35] <AeroNotix> I had it reshipped
[18:36] <scummos> hm okay
[18:36] <scummos> probably one of the first 512ers then ;)
[18:36] <AeroNotix> excellent
[18:36] <scummos> ah, okay
[18:36] <AeroNotix> I am so happy
[18:36] <AeroNotix> time to get hackin' on it
[18:36] <scummos> phew -- who needs RAM anyways
[18:36] <AeroNotix> ram is awesome
[18:36] <AeroNotix> more ram == more stuff
[18:36] <scummos> i want 10 SPI controllers instead
[18:36] <AeroNotix> meh, i2c
[18:36] <scummos> oh and onboard wireless ;)
[18:36] <scummos> i2c is too slow for the really cool chips
[18:37] <scummos> ... for some of them
[18:37] <AeroNotix> maybe so. What are your plans for the rpi
[18:37] <AeroNotix> ?
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[18:37] <scummos> i'm building a radio interferometer
[18:37] <scummos> for astronomy
[18:37] <AeroNotix> cool, git/mpd server
[18:37] <scummos> it doesn't really have any working components yet, but well :D
[18:38] <AeroNotix> hehe
[18:39] <Davespice> hmmm, Nasa may have found evidence of life (or past life) on Mars, we live in interesting times (this is just my best conjecture btw) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2236333/Curiosity-team-set-reveal-major-discovery-Martian-soil--just-yet.html
[18:39] <scummos> AeroNotix: I mean I do prefer i2c over SPI, but it's just not possible for high data rates or so
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[18:40] <scummos> Davespice: let's wait for them to actually publish something, and then let's wait two years if someone finds out it was wrong ;)
[18:40] <AeroNotix> Davespice: FYI, your link spans >1 line. I can't copy it using weechat.
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[18:40] <scummos> then we can be excited
[18:40] <scummos> use a terminal emulator which supports copying links ;)
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[18:41] <AeroNotix> scummos: such as? I really like urxvt
[18:41] <scummos> konsole
[18:41] <AeroNotix> smells like a dependency bomb to me
[18:41] <scummos> http://i.imgur.com/fd23h.png
[18:42] <scummos> well if you're not using other KDE applications, then yes, you need Qt, and kdelibs/kdebase ;)
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[18:43] <AeroNotix> scummos: no TWM?
[18:43] <AeroNotix> :P
[18:43] <AeroNotix> anyway
[18:43] <AeroNotix> afk
[18:43] <AeroNotix> getting this baby runnin'
[18:43] <scummos> why would you need TWM? :D
[18:44] <AeroNotix> oh man, try it
[18:44] <AeroNotix> SO much better
[18:44] <AeroNotix> oh
[18:44] <AeroNotix> is SSHD enabled by default on the rpi?
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[18:44] <AeroNotix> on the arm build*
[18:44] <scummos> i'm using awesome and I won't change it for twm
[18:44] <scummos> yes, it is
[18:45] <AeroNotix> awesome == twm
[18:45] <AeroNotix> tiling window manager
[18:45] <s5fs> AeroNotix: what other tiling wms have you used? i'm looking to leap away from this crapshow ubuntu calls "unity"
[18:46] <scummos> well twm actually is the tabbed window manager so that is a bit confusing ;P
[18:46] <scummos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm
[18:46] <scummos> s5fs: try awesome
[18:46] <s5fs> easy to learn?
[18:47] <scummos> except for the config file with is sort of a lua beast, yes
[18:47] <scummos> very powerful, too
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[18:48] <s5fs> cool, i'll try to give it a look over the holiday weekend
[18:48] <s5fs> i'm up to my ears in a project so i'm hesitant to make too many changes on my laptop, haha
[18:48] <scummos> heh ;)
[18:48] <scummos> you can run it in a window
[18:48] <AeroNotix> s5fs: I use Qtile, it's a pure python tiling window manager
[18:49] <AeroNotix> s5fs: I've tried allsorts, but Python wins for hackability
[18:49] <s5fs> i'll prob spin up a vm before moving into my work machine
[18:49] <scummos> that sounds overkill
[18:49] <AeroNotix> s5fs: #qtile on OFCT
[18:49] <AeroNotix> OFTC*
[18:49] <BlueChip> I am following Alex Chadwick's OS dev guide ...it talks you through assembling a kernel.img file and then tells you to "replace the kernel.img on an SD Card with which contains a working OS" ...Where can I find a guide to explain how to populate an SD Card for native boot?
[18:49] <s5fs> the hackability aspect is tempting, but i'm not sure what i really need
[18:50] <s5fs> scummos: nah, i can provision a VM in less than 5min in vmware. the extra insurance is worth it imho, lost productivity right now is no good for me (says the guy dorking around in irc)
[18:51] <AeroNotix> imho irc is more productive, real people are prone to wasting time and being moronic
[18:51] <AeroNotix> :P
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[18:51] <scummos> alright
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[18:52] <scummos> I don't really see what might go wrong, but if you feel safer that way, it's fine :)
[18:53] <anildigital> I have /media/usb folder shared on samba.. now I want to share only /media/usb/* except /media/usb/downloads
[18:53] <s5fs> scummos: i'm pretty risk-adverse, haha! i'm a professional at breaking things.
[18:55] <scummos> i know that feeling
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[18:57] <AeroNotix> anildigital: man samba?
[18:57] * anildigital \m/
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[18:59] <b0ot> Does anyone know if Wheezy would support gtkmm3.0?
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[19:00] <BlueChip> Is ther a Raspberry Pi Developers channel?
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> #raspberrypi-dev , but it's quiet
[19:01] <BlackFate> anildigital, just chmod the users out
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[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueChip: you'll probably have better luck in this channel.
[19:02] <BlueChip> ShiftPlusOne: thanks - problem is I suspect my problem is too low-level for a user forum :/
[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> The people in the dev channel are also in here
[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> for the most part
[19:03] <BlueChip> Trying to get my pi to boot ...and I don't mean "boot linux" or "bott riscos" ...but "boot myOS" ...and wondering how to set up my SD Card
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[19:04] <ShiftPlusOne> The same way it's set up by default, just replace the kernel with your own.
[19:04] <BlueChip> any takers?
[19:04] <BlueChip> So I *must* install linux and then hack the kernel out ?
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> no, I am just saying it's the same, you don't need the linux kernel.
[19:05] <BlueChip> The same as what? I don't yet have a reference point
[19:05] <ShiftPlusOne> This might be of interest to you http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
[19:05] <BlueChip> That is the guy I am working with - lol
[19:05] <BlueChip> he says "install linux and hack out the kernel"
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Make a fat partition, copy the firmware there and put your kernel there.
[19:06] <BlueChip> where do I acquire this firmware?
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, that's the quick and sure way to do it.
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> github, hang on
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[19:07] <BlueChip> Ah - that is the *official* code yes??
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> If you have a REALLY low level question, then #raspberrypi-internals might be for you.
[19:07] <anildigital> BlackFate: done.. by using smb.cnf
[19:07] <BlueChip> I *will* be getting down and dirty eventually, but not just yet
[19:07] * petern_ mumbles... bought a wireless keyboard on the supported list, and I still get stuck keys :-(
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, that's straight from the horse's (Eben's) mouth.
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> not to call Eben a horse.
[19:08] <petern_> At least it was cheap. The expensive one was on the not supported list (for ... stuck keys ...)
[19:09] <BlueChip> Is github/raspberrypi/firmware the "official" source of the required firmware?
[19:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Again, yes it's THE source.
[19:09] <BlueChip> (again?) Brilliant, thanks :)
[19:10] <ShiftPlusOne> have fun
[19:10] <BlueChip> I am ...see csud on google code ;)
[19:10] <anildigital> LostInInaka: there?
[19:10] <anildigital> LostInInaka: game system of what.. what config?
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[19:12] <BlueChip> Where can I find instructions on what to do with these offical files?
[19:12] <ShiftPlusOne> just put them in the root of the fat partition on the sd
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[19:13] <BlueChip> I would like to know the purpose of each file ...I know I don't need the license files, but why do I need three kernels installed?
[19:13] <BlueChip> *I know -> I suspect
[19:14] <Topcat> If I wanted an OS like the pi to run on my laptop in vbox, obviously I can't use the ARM version but what build should I get? Just the latest stable debian iso ?
[19:14] <BurtyB> Topcat, depends what OS you have on your pi ;)
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[19:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Topcat: it's a pretty standard OS, so yes, plain Debian should feel the same on x86 as on pi. If you want a limited, but more authentic way to do it then QEMU can emulate most of the hardware.
[19:15] <BlueChip> I don't know "vbox" but most virtual machines need special images ...just hunt down a Debian image for your VM
[19:15] <t7> how do i install plain old debian? (not raspbian)
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> put the cd into your PC and turn it in.
[19:15] <ShiftPlusOne> You go on the debian website and read their documentation.
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> So.. Who wants to write a progam in CECIL to program xmas tree lights..
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[19:16] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
[19:16] <petern_> And now this cheap keyboard is mostly working, but it does feel really cheap :-(
[19:16] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueChip: So... you haven't launched linux yet and you want to write your own OS straight away?
[19:16] <bttf> can i just connect my pi to my laptop via usb to micro usb for power ? do i have to worry about it frying the circuits?
[19:17] * gordonDrogon feels a wave of incredulity washing over him...
[19:17] <ShiftPlusOne> bttf: not frying circuits so much as the USB port possibly not supplying enough current. The power requirements are well beyond USB spec.
[19:17] <BlueChip> ShiftPlusOne: Close, I installed XBMC to make sure the device was working and I want to write an OS next
[19:17] <bttf> ah i see
[19:18] <t7> i cant boot from usb can i... how am i gonna install onto the same media i am booting from
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> bttf, but it'll probably work OK. It does for me over all my PCs and Laptops...
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[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> t7: are you installing into VirtualBox or on your PC?
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[19:18] <t7> ShiftPlusOne: i can do
[19:19] <t7> i have raspbian on this sdcard right now, can i just over write the big partition with something else
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> so no-one wants program in cecil, huh?
[19:19] <t7> leaving the booty bit intact
[19:19] <anildigital> any recommended OS for making my RPi as game system?
[19:19] <t7> gordonDrogon: what is cecil?
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> anildigital: what kind of game system?
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> t7, yea, excactly. it's a dead and buried programing language that never should have been, however...
[19:20] <ShiftPlusOne> anildigital: I'd go for either arch if you need something flexible or buildroot if you need something barebones.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> I'm writing a cecil interpreter in basic.
[19:20] <BlueChip> lol
[19:21] <t7> i have never heard of it, im gonna wiki
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[19:21] <gordonDrogon> it's ok. I wrote the basic interpreter in C.
[19:21] <BlueChip> lmao
[19:21] <BlueChip> :)
[19:21] <BlueChip> and the C compiler in asm?
[19:21] <piney0> lol
[19:21] <ShiftPlusOne> BlueChip: There is no official documentation for each of the files. As far as we are concerned they are closed blobs of magic. You can get hints of what each file does by analyzing them and there is a reverse engineering effort going on.
[19:21] <t7> "dynamic types" no thankyou :)
[19:21] <BlueChip> I hope the asm was written "copy con"
[19:21] <gordonDrogon> nah, hand keyed it in in binary on my php11..
[19:21] <BlueChip> :D lol :D
[19:22] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: NES/SNES games.. or probably play age of empires
[19:22] <ShiftPlusOne> anildigital: Age of empires? How do you intend to do that?
[19:22] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: dreaming
[19:23] <BlueChip> ShiftPlusOne: righty !
[19:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[19:23] <BlueChip> anildigital: for emulators, install linux :/
[19:23] <BlueChip> anildigital: for windows games, forget it
[19:24] <Elspuddy> i here there are some hardcore openTTD players out there :)
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> anildigital: all distros are very much the same, just presented differently, but I think in your case I think Arch provides the best starting ground
[19:24] <t7> ShiftPlusOne: the documentation says install from removable media... can i even do that?
[19:25] * ShiftPlusOne sucks at openTTD
[19:25] <BlueChip> aha! " *start.elf, bootcode.bin and loader.bin are the GPU firmware and bootloaders. The kernel.img files are builds of the Linux kernel "
[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> t7: yes, it's possible
[19:25] <petern_> Elspuddy, I found it a bit slow :-(
[19:25] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: can you prove the arch download link
[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> anildigital: it's on the pi download page!
[19:25] <petern_> Although it's a bit better when you disable the extra zoom levels
[19:26] <BlueChip> I can only assume start_cd.elf matches *start.elf !!
[19:26] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: cool
[19:26] <t7> ShiftPlusOne: can you point me to any documentation ?
[19:26] <t7> or explain
[19:26] <petern_> That's annoying, keyboard started playing up again :-(
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[19:28] <BlueChip> right - gtg ... ShiftPlusOne: many thanks - I suspect we may speak again :)
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[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> take care
[19:28] <petern_> Hmm, of course, that was the RISC OS port of OpenTTD.
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[19:29] <ShiftPlusOne> t7: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> t7: you should really google things like that first. You're essentially asking people to google things for you, which many people on IRC don't take kindly to, so you can expect a lot of rudeness and attitude if that's something you stick to doing.
[19:32] <t7> ShiftPlusOne: i have been googling believe me. Sometime you need to know what to look for
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[19:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I understand that you're completely new, so I can appreciate that google might not be helpful if you don't know the basics.
[19:34] <coin3d> hi there. i just tried to use my raspberry pi as a wireless access point - works fine, except that its really slow. I can get about 3 MB/s (although 802.11n) and i noticed that hostapd, as well as some kernel processes take up all cpu time when copying files via wlan. is that "normal", or is it possible to load some hardware extension to speed that up a bit?
[19:34] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: what after installing Arch ARM linux on RPi?
[19:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Pretty sure that's normal
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> anildigital: whatever you want =D
[19:35] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: does it have gui?
[19:35] <ShiftPlusOne> not by default, but you don't need one if you just need to run emulators
[19:36] <ShiftPlusOne> anildigital: you can install whatever you want on it, including all the stuff that comes preinstalled on raspbian if you need any of it.
[19:37] <anildigital> ShiftPlusOne: okay
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[19:45] <AeroNotix> hi
[19:45] <AeroNotix> so I've dd'd the image to my sd
[19:45] <AeroNotix> and I've plugged it into the pi
[19:46] <AeroNotix> and I've plugged in power, and I've waited 10 or so minutes
[19:46] <AeroNotix> but it's not appeared on the network
[19:46] <AeroNotix> archlinux arm img
[19:46] <AeroNotix> please advise
[19:46] <AeroNotix> I got told sshd started automatically
[19:46] <ShiftPlusOne> it does
[19:46] <ShiftPlusOne> what do the lights do when you power up the pi?
[19:46] <AeroNotix> pwr led
[19:46] <AeroNotix> just that
[19:46] <AeroNotix> red
[19:46] <applegekko> did you sync after the dd comleted?
[19:47] <ShiftPlusOne> is your SD card on the verified peripherals list?
[19:47] <AeroNotix> applegekko: yes
[19:47] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: oo I don't know
[19:47] <AeroNotix> 1 sec
[19:47] <OutOfLine> i have seen this too, second boot worked....
[19:47] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[19:47] <AeroNotix> OutOfLine: 2nd boot, ok. I'll give that a go
[19:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd make sur eyou DD'd it right, that you power supply is good and that your sd card is good.
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> you should see the lights flicker when you plug it in
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[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't need to wait minutes or anything like that, arch boots very quickly.
[19:48] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: I run arch as my main distro, so I know that.
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[19:48] <AeroNotix> But hmm, the sd card isn't on the list
[19:48] <AeroNotix> I'll try rebooting
[19:48] <tpaulus> Hello, what is the best library to use for I2C communication?
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Well you said you waited 10 minutes, which seemed excessive.
[19:49] <applegekko> hook it upto a tv and see if there is error
[19:49] <tpaulus> Arch should boot very quickly, less than 1 min
[19:49] <ShiftPlusOne> if the lights don't flicker, I doubt there will be output
[19:49] <AeroNotix> problem is, I have no hdmi cable
[19:49] <tpaulus> you also could try reading the serial output messages
[19:50] <applegekko> no comp cable either?
[19:50] <tpaulus> using a USB to serial converter
[19:50] <AeroNotix> wtf is a "comp cable"
[19:50] <tpaulus> composite video
[19:50] <AeroNotix> oh, no.
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[19:50] <AeroNotix> I don't have a tv
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[19:50] <AeroNotix> just a vga monitor
[19:50] <tpaulus> AeroNotix, do you have a USB to serial converter?
[19:51] <AeroNotix> tpaulus: nope
[19:51] <t7> unetbootin wants to install over a gigs worth of packages wtf
[19:51] <AeroNotix> what's the hostname for when it joins the network?
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> How on earth are you going to get any output if the firmware hasn't even loaded?
[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> AeroNotix: alarmpi
[19:51] <tpaulus> AeroNotix, how about an arduino?
[19:52] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: tpaulus I have two :)
[19:52] <AeroNotix> tpaulus: I have two
[19:53] <tpaulus> AeroNotix: if you remove the Atmega chip, you can use the Serial to USB chip to read the kernel messages
[19:53] <artag> good idea, but 5v / 3v3 issue ?
[19:53] <AeroNotix> I'm just going to try reloading the SD card again
[19:54] <tpaulus> only if you are going to write, the pi can't handle 5v well, but it can do it, might damage it though
[19:54] <artag> yeah, might get away with pi tx -> ftdi rx only
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[19:54] <b0ot> hello
[19:54] <tpaulus> If you have a level shifter that would be great
[19:54] <AeroNotix> Isn't anyone thinking this is ridiculous?
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[19:55] <b0ot> Anyway to get out of the g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)
[19:55] <tpaulus> http://adafruit.com/products/954 i have had great success with this cable, and it runs at 3.3v
[19:55] <ShiftPlusOne> AeroNotix: what is?
[19:55] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: needing to read serial output and the like... the idea is to give this to kids
[19:55] <ShiftPlusOne> b0ot: that's nowhere near enough information.
[19:55] <artag> yeah, it's generally easier if you start off with the thing in it's normal boot, but if you haven't got a suitable monitor you'll have to improvise
[19:56] <b0ot> ShiftPlusOne, I think it just means there is not ennough ram
[19:56] <AeroNotix> b0ot: cross compile?
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> b0ot: it can mean hell of a lot of things.
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> AeroNotix: yeah, this isn't something that the average user needs to do. I have no idea why you're told to do this in the first place.
[19:56] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: my thoughts exactly.
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[19:57] <AeroNotix> I'll reload the SD
[19:57] <AeroNotix> and I'll chroot into it this time and ensure it's working
[19:57] <AeroNotix> grub's up though so brb :)
[19:57] <AeroNotix> thanks all anyway
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[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> AeroNotix: You've narrowed the problem down fairly well. If the lights don't flicker, the problem is either with the sd card itself or the few files on the fat partition.
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> double check http://www.elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[19:58] <tpaulus> also if the ok/act led blinks in a specific pattern, there is something wrong with your boot partition, also on elinux
[19:58] <tpaulus> forum
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[20:04] <tpaulus> what is the recommended library to be used for I2C?
[20:05] <ShiftPlusOne> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ maybe?
[20:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Haven't used gpio myself yet
[20:05] <tpaulus> Trying to use it with python
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi-Python
[20:06] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe gordonDrogon can enlighten you best on this matter
[20:06] <tpaulus> I have used wiring pi, but it is not python compatible and it needs to be compiled every time you want to test it
[20:07] <ShiftPlusOne> What about the python wrapped version I just linked?
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> What ho!
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi doesn't do any I2C yet (sorry)
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> I've just not had time to add any sort of sensible support in.
[20:09] <tpaulus> do you know any good I2C libs for python?
[20:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, my mistake then
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> However I do have a box full of I2C 'toys' now, so hopefully soon...
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't know anything about Python.
[20:09] <ebarch> hmm, any idea if there are any QFN atmega32u4 or atmega16u2 micros at the space?
[20:09] <tpaulus> grodonDrogon, trying to communicate with a ATTiny 85, acting as a I2C slave
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> I've used I2C on atmegas, but only as a master.
[20:10] <ebarch> whoops, wrong channel
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> tpaulus, I'd go for serial unless you need speed (in which case i'd use SPI)
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> but maybe that's just me :)
[20:12] <Cheery> Hey there's one really good reason why you should jump into boat and help me pressure foundation to document/provide few features into firmware!
[20:12] <Cheery> http://mozilla.github.com/pdf.js/
[20:12] <tpaulus> i am sending a number between 0 and 255
[20:12] <tpaulus> how do you use the serial port with python?
[20:12] <Cheery> people have started to do such funny projects over javascript that implement quite complex applications.
[20:13] <Cheery> and if we'll get the canvas etc. to node.js, we can use some of those.
[20:14] <Cheery> or oh wait.. that's depending on DOM.
[20:15] <tpaulus> gordonDrogon: I have the slave side taken care of, just need the pi to be master, and there are no good libs out there
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> tpaulus, isn't there one from quick2wire?
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[20:18] <tpaulus> gordonDrogon: Thanks!
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[20:23] <AeroNotix> fat16 or fat32 for rpi?
[20:23] <AeroNotix> arch image
[20:24] <scummos> fat?
[20:24] <scummos> for linux?
[20:24] <scummos> how about... ext4
[20:24] <AeroNotix> derp
[20:24] <AeroNotix> I was thinking.... it's an SD card, obviously FAT
[20:24] <AeroNotix> lol
[20:25] <AeroNotix> but yeah, ext* makes sense
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[20:26] <scummos> AeroNotix: dumping the image to the card will overwrite the FS anyways
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[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> AeroNotix: you should probably specify what you're doing because what you're saying it's making much sense. FAT is used for the kernel and firmware files and the other partition can be whatever you want.
[20:27] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, I was getting confused because I'm used to formatting sd/usb cards as FAT*
[20:27] <AeroNotix> forgot this thing will be running linux
[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> just making sure you know that you will still require the fat partition.
[20:28] <artag> but no need to format it at all. you're going to copy partition table and everything onto it
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> artag: depends on what he's doing. for all we know he's installing it manually for some reason.
[20:29] <artag> true
[20:29] <AeroNotix> I'm just dd'ing it across
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> then no formatting necessary
[20:29] <scummos> well then the FS does not matter
[20:29] <AeroNotix> kk
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> dd, then sync and you're done.
[20:29] <AeroNotix> just making sure since it didn't work before and that's what I did
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I would resize the partition to fit the sd though
[20:30] <artag> did you dd it to the raw device, or to a partition ?
[20:30] <AeroNotix> of=/dev/sdd1
[20:30] <AeroNotix> :)
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> there's your problem
[20:30] <AeroNotix> rly
[20:30] <artag> you want sdd
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> * of=/dev/sdd
[20:30] <AeroNotix> hmm, I'm sure I've always dd'd to a partition
[20:30] <AeroNotix> nevermind
[20:30] <AeroNotix> ok
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> artag: well spotted
[20:31] <AeroNotix> 3rd time's the one
[20:31] <AeroNotix> :)
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[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Didn't occur to me that that's something someone would even try
[20:31] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: oh come on
[20:32] <AeroNotix> I must've used dd about 5 times in my life
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> A lack of imagination on my behalf not a lack of competence on yours =P
[20:32] <AeroNotix> regardless
[20:32] <AeroNotix> Anyone using Go on their pi?
[20:33] <AeroNotix> I know *the official* language is Python but .... really?
[20:34] <artag> yeah, don't get in the habit of copying to the raw partition. It's sensible on an SD that needs multiple parttions writing but you'd want to think carefully before doing it on your hd
[20:34] <AeroNotix> To be fair, I need to learn DD proper. I rarely use it and it's arguably one of the most harmful commands available on Linux
[20:34] <ShiftPlusOne> AeroNotix: keep in mind that your SD card might be 16G or whatever, but the partition is only about 2G, so you will want to resize it.
[20:34] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: I just want to boot for now
[20:35] <AeroNotix> ShiftPlusOne: but I'll keep that in mind, thanks
[20:35] <ShiftPlusOne> alright... I thought you might have wanted to install things too.
[20:35] <AeroNotix> indeed I will, but first light and all that :)
[20:35] <artag> dd's not more harmful than anything else, it's the use of root and /dev/sd* that needs care
[20:36] <AeroNotix> true
[20:37] <AeroNotix> christ I wish I got a class 10
[20:37] * AeroNotix yawns
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> don't do that
[20:37] <AeroNotix> which bit?
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> the yawning
[20:37] <AeroNotix> oh ok, sure np
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[20:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I have to yawn even if I see the word, heh.
[20:38] <AeroNotix> haha
[20:38] <ShiftPlusOne> (I am not being serious ofcourse, I am not outlawing yawning)
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[20:38] <AeroNotix> I DECREE, NO more yawning!
[20:38] <AeroNotix> :)
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[20:40] <dero> hi, does anyone know if there is a good joystick/gamepad for the pi + mame?
[20:41] * ShiftPlusOne likes his icontrolpad
[20:41] <dero> for gaming?
[20:41] <dero> latency?
[20:42] <AeroNotix> surely you're not worried about latency when gaming on the rpi?
[20:42] <dero> well, I am thinking about buying a pi (third pi) for my kids for gaming
[20:42] <AeroNotix> emulators etc?
[20:42] <dero> I already convinced my wife that the pi is much better than an xbox ;)
[20:42] <AeroNotix> haha
[20:42] <AeroNotix> GOOD JOB
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Have fun convincing your kids
[20:43] <dero> 3+6 years
[20:43] <AeroNotix> dero: get 'em young
[20:43] <ShiftPlusOne> they'll catch on
[20:43] <AeroNotix> I think computing is a great hobby for kids
[20:43] <AeroNotix> being a computer whizz is 'easy' when you're a kid
[20:43] <AeroNotix> make the lights on screen flash and you're like james bond
[20:43] <dero> I started with 6 and got my PhD with 27 ;)
[20:44] <AeroNotix> :)
[20:44] <dero> btw. I am still waiting for SD corruption logs! please contribute to my thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=23427
[20:45] <dero> I am currently reviewing the driver's code
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[20:46] <Syco54645_work> oh good. mcm electronics seems to have given my email to an independent market research firm
[20:46] <Syco54645_work> fml
[20:46] <Syco54645_work> this makes me rather angry
[20:47] <ShiftPlusOne> so did farnell
[20:47] <Tachyon`> not so much in the way of emulation on pi as yet
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[20:49] <Syco54645_work> ShiftPlusOne: same company
[20:49] <Syco54645_work> that is bs
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[20:49] <Syco54645_work> wonder if this is why i have gotten a ton of spam
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[20:50] <Syco54645_work> 7+ years with this email and no spam
[20:50] <Syco54645_work> recently i get a ton
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[20:52] <petern_> Hmm, maybe I should try with a wired USB keyboard... :S
[20:53] <petern_> Or maybe it's just RISC OS that's ... bad?
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[20:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Have a multimeter handy?
[20:54] <artag> I had trouble RISC OS. It kept changing the numlock status
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[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> I'm off. 'night
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> Syco54645_work, I've had the same email address since 1995 - I get 1000's of spam to it...
[20:58] <Syco54645_work> gordonDrogon: yes well my spam just started up
[20:58] <Syco54645_work> ;)
[20:58] <Syco54645_work> just annoyed that mcm/farnell would give my email away...
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> that is a bit crap, yes.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> but I suspect there is a cop-out in the small print where they say they will share information with their partners, etc.
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[20:59] <Syco54645_work> probably
[20:59] <Syco54645_work> just wont order from them again
[21:00] <Syco54645_work> newegg sale in 1 minute
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> Syco54645_work, are you sure it was farnell though? It should have been anyone who had your email address who's system then got compromised - I've seen that a lot.
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[21:03] <Syco54645_work> gordonDrogon: well they said
[21:03] <Syco54645_work> MCM have asked an independent research agency (that's us!) to invite Raspberry Pi users to share their views. To do so, we???e created a short online survey.
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[21:03] <Syco54645_work> funny thing is, if they had actually asked me i would have gladly taken part of a survery
[21:03] <Syco54645_work> but because they didnt eff em
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
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[21:05] <mrmoney2012> hello pi people
[21:05] <mrmoney2012> i've had some filesystem corruption and now want to run fsck
[21:05] <dero> mrmoney2012: fs corruption? do you have a log file?
[21:05] <dero> a log file showing mmc errors?
[21:05] <mrmoney2012> i'm on arch - how do i do it???? i thought shutdown -rF - not liking that command though, and also i want to say - fix all the errors
[21:06] <anildigital> anybody tried installing siri proxy on raspbian?
[21:06] <dero> /var/log/kern.log
[21:06] <mrmoney2012> dero: yes dmesg showed errors
[21:06] <dero> can you PM me the errors?
[21:06] <Amadiro> mrmoney2012, why not just run fsck?
[21:06] <mrmoney2012> dero: not in messages.log
[21:06] <dero> kern.log
[21:06] <mrmoney2012> Amadiro: filesystem is mounted
[21:07] <Amadiro> mrmoney2012, go into init 1 and unmount it, I guess
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[21:08] <mrmoney2012> Amadiro: not sure about that procedure
[21:08] <Amadiro> According to a cursory google search, creating a file /forcefsck and then rebooting will force fsck on the next startup
[21:08] <Amadiro> I have no clue whether that still applies, however
[21:09] <mhz> im in love with my pi
[21:09] <mhz> it makes me very happy
[21:09] <mhz> id probably marry it if i could
[21:09] <mhz> if my state had such laws
[21:09] <mrmoney2012> Amadiro: i googled that too - and did it - it didn't work
[21:09] <mhz> ai marriages
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> be easier if you can fsck it out of the Pi
[21:10] <petern_> Oh balls, got tounpgg everything o check te test points
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> sacard reader in another linux pc..
[21:10] <petern_> oh wow, this is going wrong :-(
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[21:10] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: ok i hear u
[21:10] <dero> forcefsck kernel param?
[21:10] <mrmoney2012> i have a mac here with a sd card reader
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> however I'm not sure why /forcefsck isnot working..
[21:10] <dero> forcefsck=yes
[21:10] <mrmoney2012> dero: where do i put that ?
[21:10] <dero> put in cmdline.txt
[21:11] <mrmoney2012> oh
[21:11] <mrmoney2012> ok thanks..
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> checkfs.sh: if [ -f /forcefsck ] || grep -s -w -i "forcefsck" /proc/cmdline
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> either ought to work.
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[21:11] <mrmoney2012> dero: i stick it on the end of the line?
[21:12] <dero> should work as golden dragon says
[21:12] <mrmoney2012> i don't understand the golden dragons command
[21:12] <mrmoney2012> it's all greek to me
[21:13] <dero> try putting forcefsck at the end of cmdline.txt
[21:13] <mrmoney2012> ok
[21:13] <mrmoney2012> after rootwait
[21:13] <mrmoney2012> ?
[21:13] <dero> and the bloody end!
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> can I have a golden dragon too?
[21:13] <dero> I thought you already got one?
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> can't see any )-:
[21:14] <mrmoney2012> root wait is the last word on the commandline.txt thingamijig
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[21:14] <mrmoney2012> i stick it after that
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[21:14] <dero> put it at the bloody end!
[21:14] <mrmoney2012> ok.
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[21:14] <dero> or at the beginning, actually, it's irrelevant ;)
[21:15] <mrmoney2012> i don't really want to have to press "y" 1,000 times also after it reboot
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[21:15] <mrmoney2012> anyway to avoid that..
[21:15] <dero> then take out the card and put it into a linux machine
[21:15] <mrmoney2012> oh
[21:15] <dero> sudo e2fsck /dev/mmcblk0p3
[21:15] <dero> or so
[21:15] <mrmoney2012> what about my macbook.. that do ?
[21:16] <dero> can't tell
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[21:16] <mrmoney2012> doesn't have e2fsck
[21:16] <mrmoney2012> hmm
[21:16] <artag> is there a live CD for mac ?
[21:16] <dero> you can try to force unmount it
[21:16] <dero> but, may crash your pi
[21:16] <mrmoney2012> i will try the forcefsck=yes
[21:16] <dero> could work
[21:17] <dero> sudo umount -f / && sudo e2fsck -p /dev/mmcblk0p3
[21:18] <artag> e2fsck won't be there once you've umounted
[21:18] <dero> no, will not work
[21:18] <dero> yeah, he would need to copy e2fsck and all libs to /boot
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[21:19] <AeroNotix> what's the arm ssh password? (got it going :D)
[21:19] <dero> /boot is sitting on p1, but will also be gone after umount
[21:19] <mrmoney2012> basically - this is a 512mb pi and it's corrupting SD cards left, right and bloody centre
[21:19] <dero> yes
[21:19] <dero> I am currently chasing corruption code
[21:19] <dero> but, I need logs
[21:19] <mrmoney2012> i am testing the theory that it's PSU related but it is a little bit annoying
[21:19] <mrmoney2012> my other pi's are fine
[21:19] <dero> if you had a log, share with me!
[21:19] <dero> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=23427
[21:20] <mrmoney2012> dero - is this occurring with the new model ?
[21:20] <mrmoney2012> the 512 meg one ?
[21:20] <dero> yeah
[21:20] <dero> with overclocking
[21:20] <mrmoney2012> in the main ?
[21:20] <dero> it's very rare for me, but I could replicate it once
[21:20] <dero> overclocking + copying things around
[21:22] <artag> dero: how did you know corruption had occurred ? Did you come across it elsewhere or do you get console output ?
[21:22] <dero> checking /var/log/kern.log, I found a lot of ugly looking mmc errors
[21:22] <dero> e2fsck then barked on messed up inodes
[21:23] <dero> this is a bad sign: Nov 19 01:26:57 raspbmc kernel: [ 1692.081647] mmc0: resetting ongoing cmd 25DMA before 4096/4096 [17]/[52] complete
[21:24] <mrmoney2012> : try putting forcefsck at the end of cmdline.txt <- didn't work
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[21:24] <dero> reflash the card
[21:25] <dero> if it's really badly corrupted, you're out of luck anyway
[21:25] <mrmoney2012> grrrr
[21:25] <mrmoney2012> yawn
[21:25] <AeroNotix> http://i.imgur.com/Kpo3Z.png :D
[21:25] <djazz> RaspiBot enjoying some movie watching http://i.imgur.com/AckQm.jpg remote control: http://bit.ly/NUtlcq
[21:25] <dero> but, can you save /var/log/kern.log before?
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[21:25] <AeroNotix> djazz: eugh javascript
[21:25] <AeroNotix> djazz: is that why it's using it as seat?
[21:26] <AeroNotix> :P
[21:26] <dero> wtf?
[21:26] <djazz> AeroNotix: all software except for the nxc code is javascript for this project
[21:26] <djazz> even the server
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> dero, I got one: Nov 19 09:30:55 pi0 kernel: [ 14.433447] mmc0: missed completion of cmd 18 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[21:26] <AeroNotix> djazz: my condolences
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> nothing for the past 2 days though..
[21:27] <djazz> AeroNotix: whats wrong with js?
[21:27] <AeroNotix> djazz: I'm not starting a holy war in #raspberrypi
[21:28] <AeroNotix> djazz: I'll just say I'm not a fan and leave it at that
[21:28] <AeroNotix> djazz: however, your site is pretty cool :D
[21:28] <djazz> k
[21:28] <djazz> thx
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[21:30] <mrmoney2012> so can i force fsck at reboot (arch)
[21:30] <mrmoney2012> must be a way
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[21:30] <mrmoney2012> aha http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/50762/how-to-automatically-force-fsck-disks-after-crash-in-systemd
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[21:32] <mrmoney2012> nope...grrr
[21:33] <BlackFate> mrmoney2012,
[21:33] <BlackFate> touch /forcefsck
[21:33] <BlackFate> and reboot
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> tried that. no dice
[21:33] <AeroNotix> hmm
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> am trying mount / -o remount,ro
[21:33] <mrmoney2012> but / is busy
[21:33] <AeroNotix> just syu'd on this and it's seemed to have crashed
[21:33] <AeroNotix> should I just leave it, I'm over SSH
[21:34] <BlackFate> mrmoney2012, does /etc/fstab have 0 1 / 0 2 e.t.c in the end of all lines you want to be checked
[21:35] <AeroNotix> seems to have dropped off the network as well
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[21:35] <mrmoney2012> BlackFate: looking
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> its got 0 0
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> on the / line
[21:36] <BlackFate> ok... change theme to 0 1
[21:36] <BlackFate> 0 2 etc..
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> do i need 0 1 ?
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> ok
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> eh
[21:36] <AeroNotix> ok - I'm logged in via SSH. I've syu'd. It crashed updating, I restarted. Again I login, syu, crashes. Drops off the network. What gives?
[21:36] <BlackFate> first line... 0 1 second line 0 2
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> dump / pass on the / line
[21:37] <mrmoney2012> devpts is line one then shm then boot
[21:37] <BlackFate> mrmoney2012, just your disks..
[21:37] <BlackFate> mrmoney2012, just change the / for start
[21:38] <mrmoney2012> to 0 1 ?
[21:38] <BlackFate> mrmoney2012, yeap... just that and save it
[21:38] <BlackFate> then touch /forcefsck
[21:38] <mrmoney2012> done
[21:38] <mrmoney2012> pass gone to 1
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[21:38] <mrmoney2012> ok
[21:38] <BlackFate> aaaaaaand reboot :P
[21:38] <mrmoney2012> done
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[21:39] <AeroNotix> hmm, I'll try again then
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[21:39] <mrmoney2012> nope???.grrrrrrrr
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[21:45] <petern_> 4.77V
[21:45] <petern_> aaaandi's going mad
[21:45] <petern_> :S
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[21:48] <scummos> 4.77V sounds good :D
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[21:54] <gordonDrogon> oh what an eedjit I am.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> just realised string comparisions are the wrong way round in my BASIC.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> Bother.
[21:55] <petern_> scummos, but I still have input issues
[21:56] <scummos> why are you using BASIC :)
[21:56] <petern_> Why not?
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[21:58] <yggdrasil> hehe
[21:58] <scummos> petern_: I just feel that a modern language like python would be much easier to use
[21:58] <yggdrasil> its not object oriented ?
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[21:59] <scummos> "it looks ugly" :)
[22:00] <AeroNotix> who was saying they were working on SD card problems?
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> scummos, because I wrote it..
[22:00] <AeroNotix> gordonDrogon: you wrote BASIC?
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> AeroNotix, I wrote my own basic interpreter, yes.
[22:01] <OutOfLine> AeroNotix: that's dero
[22:01] <scummos> ah right, you're the guy with the basic interpreter, I remember that ;)
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/
[22:01] <djazz> scummos: disco! http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/rpi/remote/
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[22:03] <scummos> hahaha omg
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> djazz, too many people fighting it... video keeps losing too...
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> but pretty neat non the less!
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[22:05] <djazz> :D
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[22:18] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[22:19] <Smashcat> Hi, anyone know how to add a new partition to an sdcard on the rpi? I've used fdisk to create a new partition as the stock raspbian image only creates a tiny 2gb partition for root. However I can't run mke2fs as it says its mounted even though it is not
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[22:21] <AndrevS> Did you rescan the partition table after creating the partition?
[22:21] <Smashcat> yes, and I've rebooted
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[22:22] <artag> you know there's a built-in tool to expand the 2gb partition to fill the card ?
[22:22] <Smashcat> Actually I've just answered my own question - I can just use the card reader on my windows PC to create the new partition ;-)
[22:23] <artag> that will create the partition, but it will be FAT32, which isn't the best choice
[22:24] <Smashcat> artag: Nope, didn't know that. I did a search and just found people using debian to resize. Looked like a long process, so I just wanted to make a new partition
[22:24] <AndrevS> Well, if you've created the partition, it should be the third, so /dev/mmcblk0p3
[22:24] <AndrevS> so mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p3 (as root) is supposed to work
[22:25] <Smashcat> AndrevS: Yes, that's exactly what I was typing. Meh, I'll create the partition in Windows and use it like that - thanks though!
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[22:25] <enr1x> hello everyone!
[22:25] <artag> Smashcat: well, it's fine to create another one, plenty of reasons why you might want to do that. but if you just want an easy life, there's a 'resize partition' option in the raspi-config menu
[22:25] <AndrevS> Anyways, to resize, you should be able to use http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3119&p=18939&hilit=resize+partition#p18939
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[22:26] <AndrevS> It's kinda ugly, but it should work, provided your distro doesn't have a gap between boot and rootfs partitions
[22:27] <enr1x> has anybody a creative go usb sound card? i am using one with my rpi model b, 512mb, but the sound is kind of choppy (really short clicks). could this be due to a power problem? i am using an AC to micro usb adapter from RS (1A IIRC)
[22:27] <mrmoney2012> class 10 sd cards ok?
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[22:36] <Smashcat> I did as suggested and used the resize tool in the end - worked great! thanks.
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[22:57] <djazz> scummos: mirror! http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/rpi/remote/
[22:58] <scummos> hahaha great idea
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[23:01] <Smashcat> Anyone managed to get this to work in X on Raspbian? https://github.com/chriscamacho/gles2framework - only seems to work with software rendering, so don't really see the point?
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[23:33] <egrouse> what sort of temperatures are people seeing on their pi's, out of interest?
[23:33] <_av500_> room temperature
[23:34] <Armand> Around 44c
[23:34] <Armand> @stock settings
[23:34] <egrouse> is your room really warm, _av500_ ?
[23:34] <_av500_> nope, its just unpowered
[23:34] <Hattara-pilvi> Trying to build a custom stripped down kernel. Booting fails due to mmcblk0 not existing in /dev. Anyideas which config option I might be missing. I MMC_BLOCK enabled and the BCM2708 ones in MCC/SD/SDIO. That should be it riht?
[23:34] <egrouse> ;)
[23:35] <egrouse> im getting like 53C atm - imagine having it in a case could increase temp somewhat?
[23:35] <egrouse> only got the pi today just having a mess around
[23:35] <egrouse> :)
[23:35] <Armand> _av500_, cheating. :P
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[23:36] <Armand> egrouse, how are you monitoring temp?
[23:36] <egrouse> i found some script that adds it to the prompt in terminal
[23:36] <egrouse> sec
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[23:36] <egrouse> you can get just the value though via `sudo /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp`
[23:36] <Armand> vcgencmd ?
[23:36] <Armand> ;)
[23:37] <egrouse> aye
[23:37] <egrouse> :)
[23:37] <Armand> watch "/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq"
[23:37] <Armand> Try that line.. :)
[23:37] <egrouse> oh n1
[23:37] <egrouse> sweet
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[23:37] <egrouse> time to split that in a screen and run some heavy stuff see what happens
[23:38] <Armand> It's nice if you have the clock governer enabled.. you can see the core speed change. :P
[23:38] <egrouse> aye
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[23:38] <egrouse> yeah thats handy
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[23:39] <egrouse> are there any included/easy to install apps for putting load on the GPU?
[23:39] <Armand> Mine runs at constant stock, it's not being stressed. :)
[23:39] <egrouse> maybe i should search on the internet or something
[23:39] <egrouse> might help
[23:39] <Armand> I have no idea.. mine is a headless webhost.
[23:40] <egrouse> yeah
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[23:40] <egrouse> still not sure what im gonna do with mine
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[23:40] <egrouse> raspberry playground
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[23:42] <messenjah> its my download manager
[23:42] <messenjah> pyLoad ftw
[23:42] <Armand> Coolies
[23:42] <messenjah> irc + screen
[23:42] <Armand> I need to buy more units. :P
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[23:43] <Armand> rikkib!
[23:43] <rikkib> Hi
[23:43] <egrouse> yeah i think downloading could be a useful use of it
[23:43] <Armand> How's you?
[23:43] <Armand> egrouse, what is it downloading to ?
[23:43] <messenjah> 3watts is a nice consumption
[23:43] <rikkib> Fine... Trying to get plasma stuff working
[23:44] <Armand> Joy!
[23:44] <egrouse> in an ideal world i would like to put sab + sickbeard + etc (perhaps even xbmc) on there, with ext hdd for storage - but first i am going to play around and see what i can actually get away with doing ;)
[23:44] <Armand> I screwed up my debian install on the laptop, so I had fun trying to remember how to get the NVidia drivers working again. >_<
[23:44] * agrajag` is now known as agrajag
[23:44] <rikkib> plasma desktop on KDE
[23:44] <Armand> egrouse, ext hdd.. of course. :D
[23:45] <Armand> You don't want to be constantly downloading to SD. :P
[23:45] <rikkib> on my Debian x86 gateway machine
[23:45] <egrouse> haha indeed??? you'd run out of space pretty quick
[23:45] <Armand> Yeah, my laptop is my main comms machine.. I was so pissed for having to reinstall
[23:45] <rikkib> Danger Will Robinson...
[23:45] <bircoe> egrouse, sab server is one of my intended goals...
[23:45] <egrouse> guy at work has his old SSD hooked up to usb and holding all the boot/root filesystem
[23:45] <Armand> O_o
[23:46] <bircoe> I think tho asking sab sick and xbmc to run on the same Pi will be pushing the somewhat limited hardware capability
[23:46] <egrouse> yeah indeed bircoe
[23:46] <Armand> I want to use a Pi for NAS, it's a shame they don't have SATA ports. -_-
[23:46] <egrouse> i would love sab + sickbeard at least, xbmc would be a nice plus but doubtful i guess with the specs??? one way to find out ;)
[23:46] <Armand> Suggestion to Gert: Add SATA! :P
[23:47] <bircoe> Armand, Pogoplugs have SATA...
[23:47] <Armand> huhwhanow?
[23:47] <egrouse> damn network cables with broken clips...
[23:47] <egrouse> keep falling out
[23:47] <egrouse> :(
[23:47] <bircoe> the cheap ones are pink tho :/
[23:47] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pogoplug-Multimedia-Sharing-Streaming-Device-Stream-Video-to-Mobile-Gadgets-/130778547210?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item1e7302440a&_uhb=1#ht_1216wt_1168
[23:47] <egrouse> spraypaint
[23:48] <Armand> Ohhh gawds, that's fugly in pink. >_<
[23:48] <egrouse> fixes nasty colours on anything 90% of the time, every time
[23:48] <Armand> My gf will love it though. :P
[23:48] <bircoe> take the board out of the case :P
[23:48] <egrouse> aye
[23:48] <bircoe> you ahve to open the case to get to the sata port anyway
[23:48] <egrouse> everyone knows raw circuit boards look better
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[23:49] <Armand> bircoe, I'm eyeing up QNAP units for NAS.. I like them. :)
[23:49] <Armand> egrouse+++
[23:49] <egrouse> :)
[23:49] <bircoe> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[23:49] <bircoe> HP MicroNAS
[23:49] <bircoe> cheaper, faster, better
[23:49] <Armand> cheaper = better. :P
[23:49] <egrouse> isnt that a daft punk song
[23:49] <bircoe> Microserver rather
[23:50] <Armand> Buy me one..... :D
[23:50] <Armand> lol
[23:50] <bircoe> I own on ealready :P
[23:50] <Armand> bitch. :P
[23:50] <egrouse> lol
[23:50] <bircoe> not gunna buy another
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[23:50] <Armand> I need something to use as a MySQL server and to backup the SD images.
[23:51] <bircoe> I have MySQL running on my Microserver :)
[23:51] <Armand> :)
[23:51] <bircoe> as well as SAB
[23:51] <bircoe> it's kinda of the bitch of my network
[23:51] <rikkib> SAB?
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[23:51] <bircoe> does everything i can get it to
[23:51] <bircoe> sabnzbd
[23:51] <egrouse> usenet client
[23:51] <egrouse> best usenet client***
[23:51] <bircoe> monitors ip cams with motion...
[23:52] <egrouse> how does the pi handle with parity checks/repairs bircoe ?
[23:52] <egrouse> thats one thing i was a little worried about maybe
[23:52] <bircoe> no sab is on my HP Microserver
[23:52] <egrouse> ah ic
[23:52] <Armand> Ohhh geez..
[23:53] <Armand> Those HP's are using AMD chips.. O_o
[23:53] <bircoe> it runs a Debian based x86-64 Linux distro called OpenMediaVault
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[23:53] <bircoe> Armand, hence why the network transfer speeds are insane :)
[23:53] <rikkib> nanae
[23:53] <Armand> lololol
[23:53] <bircoe> I read off it at 80+mb/s and write to it at 50+
[23:54] <Armand> Looks like they will have higher power draw than a QNAP ?
[23:54] <bircoe> not by much
[23:54] <bircoe> the draw card is x86 CPU :P
[23:54] <CelticTurnip> <3 the HP MicroServer... I have 2 at home :)
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[23:54] <Armand> To some people, 100W isn't "much" :P
[23:54] <ProLoser|Mac> hallo
[23:54] <bircoe> IF you desire you can run Windows...
[23:54] <ProLoser|Mac> does raspberry pi handle video?
[23:54] <Armand> Yuk!
[23:54] <bircoe> IF your insane that is
[23:54] <ProLoser|Mac> like can i use it for xbmc?
[23:54] <egrouse> whats that bircoe ?
[23:54] <egrouse> 'windows'
[23:54] <ProLoser|Mac> or is it not fast enough
[23:54] <egrouse> yes ProLoser|Mac
[23:54] <egrouse> you can put xbmc on there
[23:54] <egrouse> it has hdmi out
[23:55] <Armand> bircoe, Debian... all the way.
[23:55] <CelticTurnip> 100W hell with 4x HDDs I use a maximum of 45W on my HPs
[23:55] <ProLoser|Mac> does video stutter?
[23:55] <egrouse> not tried it myself??? only got my pi today
[23:55] <bircoe> I know, Windows is like the filthiest word in the world!
[23:55] <egrouse> i just know it has been done
[23:55] <ProLoser|Mac> what about a snes emulator?
[23:55] * Armand shuffles around, looking for his troll-detector..
[23:55] * dedis (~dedis@akw403.cs.yale.edu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:55] <ProLoser|Mac> what is the main purpose people use their pi's for?
[23:55] <egrouse> if one is existence for ARM architecture then i would say yes, but not sure without looking if one does
[23:55] <egrouse> im gonna use mine
[23:55] <egrouse> for
[23:55] <egrouse> dicking around
[23:55] <CelticTurnip> ProLoser|Mac: XBMC, and I'm waiting on BSD support for my 512MBer
[23:55] <Armand> lol
[23:55] <bircoe> Armand, I run this on my Microserver: http://www.openmediavault.org/
[23:56] <Armand> ProLoser|Mac, I'm using mine as a webhost.
[23:56] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: N40L? or the old 37?
[23:56] <bircoe> I have the 36
[23:56] <bircoe> so the 1.3ghz CPU and only came preinstalled with 1gb RAM
[23:56] <ProLoser|Mac> is it only possible to buy a pi onlin?
[23:57] <egrouse> where are you based ProLoser|Mac ?
[23:57] <Armand> I think I might need a big ol' lump of RAM in mine, bircoe...
[23:57] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: sweet, I have 2 N40Ls running OpenBSD
[23:57] <ProLoser|Mac> california
[23:57] <bircoe> ProLoser|Mac, have you tried Walmart?
[23:57] <egrouse> ah, unsure then - you can buy them in stores here in the uk but dunno about there
[23:57] <ProLoser|Mac> seriously?
[23:57] <bircoe> CelticTurnip, I do need to get another one :)
[23:57] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: they're so cheap here in .au land $240 each
[23:58] * Cykey (~textual@modemcable107.108-22-96.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"])
[23:58] <bircoe> mine was $230 :)
[23:58] <CelticTurnip> best lower power box I bought in a while
[23:58] <bircoe> they dissapeared for a while tho
[23:58] <bircoe> starting to come back again
[23:58] * InControl (~InControl@firewall.adslnation.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:58] <Armand> I will need something for MySQL and backups... but, I need to look at power draw.
[23:58] <Armand> If I can find something that runs on 12v, I'll be laughing..
[23:59] <bircoe> Armand, ignore the power consumption the Microserver is the most versatile "NAS" box you'll come across
[23:59] <ProLoser|Mac> is there an official site for me to buy one from?
[23:59] <bircoe> NAS is in quote as it can be used for so much more
[23:59] <bircoe> Newark
[23:59] <Armand> Draw is important.. I'd like to run it on the solar array, if possible.
[23:59] <CelticTurnip> Armand: if you aren't using Windows you'd be heard pressed to hit 60W no matter what you do with the HP
[23:59] <CelticTurnip> like I said mine peak at 45W and that's with 4x RE4 enterprise drives running in OpenBSD softraid
[23:59] <bircoe> last time I checked mine it idled <40w

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