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IRC Log for 2012-11-22

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[0:00] <Armand> What about the amps draw?
[0:00] <bircoe> CelticTurnip, have you just stuck with the 4x drives or have you gone overboard and added another 4x 2.5" disks?
[0:01] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: just 4x 3.5"s
[0:01] <bircoe> Armand, if it draws 40w at 240v that would be 160mA
[0:02] <bircoe> 166 to be more accurate
[0:02] <Armand> That's still at 240v though.. :(
[0:02] <Armand> I don't really fancy adding a power-draining transformer.
[0:02] <bircoe> you either have an awesoem NAS or settle for something crap that works on 12v :P
[0:02] <Armand> Yeah... I guess.
[0:02] * Armand pokes another look at the QNAP options.
[0:03] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
[0:03] <bircoe> I've got a WD My Book World Edition you can have if you pay for postage :)
[0:03] <Armand> Interesting.... ;)
[0:04] <bircoe> n awful are the words your looking for :P
[0:04] <comradekingu> Armand: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/
[0:04] <bircoe> no
[0:04] <Armand> The MySQL is the most important feature.
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[0:04] <Armand> Thanks, comradekingu :)
[0:05] <bircoe> That's awesome...
[0:05] <bircoe> not enough to get me to switch :) but still awesome!
[0:05] <comradekingu> yepyep, i have a WD external usb3, awful is what they should have named the series
[0:05] <comradekingu> debian on qnap is the boss
[0:05] <Armand> I could still use it... even if just for my laptop. :P
[0:06] <CelticTurnip> meh! just buy a HP MicroServer and get your FreeBSD/ZFS on... or Linux/ZFS if that's your thing :P
[0:07] <Armand> Certainly not BSD.. not familiar.
[0:07] <bircoe> CelticTurnip, I chose OpenMediaVault over FreeNAS because OMV is Debian based... I knwo much more about Debain than I do BSD :)
[0:07] <comradekingu> http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=94 nice mini-atx case if you are going that route
[0:07] <bircoe> and OMV is done by the same dude who started FreeNAS
[0:08] <Armand> comradekingu, A custom build may be the answer, if it allows me to run from 12v.
[0:08] <comradekingu> Armand: yes, dc dc
[0:08] <bircoe> I've got an ITX board here that runs from a 12v 1.5A plug pack :)
[0:08] <Armand> ;)
[0:08] <comradekingu> picoPSU things are nice for that
[0:08] <CelticTurnip> personally I prefer BSD, but in the end they're all pretty much the same... they're nixes, they all have vi :P
[0:09] <bircoe> would run from solar quite well
[0:09] <comradekingu> Another case might be preferable
[0:09] <Armand> See, that sounds better than the WD drive, bircoe.. :D
[0:09] <comradekingu> nice that omw has released something, should save me some time in the future :)
[0:09] <bircoe> considering making it a router
[0:10] <Armand> bircoe, specs ?
[0:10] <bircoe> Runs an ATOM D2700, 4gb RAM gigbit ethernet
[0:10] <Armand> O_O
[0:10] <mhz> wish pi had 2 ethernet ports
[0:10] <CelticTurnip> wish pi had msata :P
[0:11] <bircoe> has a60gb SSD :)
[0:11] <Armand> See, aside from the SSD... that's perfect. ;)
[0:11] <Armand> SATA, I guess ?
[0:11] <bircoe> yeah, only SATA2 tho
[0:11] <Armand> Easy. ;)
[0:11] <bircoe> 2x SATA2
[0:12] <bircoe> HDMI, DVI and VGA out
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[0:12] <Armand> You have to find me a link for that. :D
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[0:12] <bircoe> http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/AD2700-ITX/
[0:12] <mattwj2002> hey all
[0:12] <mattwj2002> :D
[0:13] <bircoe> The ATOM D2700 has a stupid GPU that has almost no support in Linux tho.
[0:13] <bircoe> so no decent hardware acceleration = no XBMC :/
[0:13] <bircoe> = /me sad
[0:14] <Armand> See, that's great.. me likes. :D
[0:14] <mhz> hot little board
[0:14] <Armand> I don't care much about the gfx.. it will be headless. :P
[0:14] <bircoe> so that board, 60gb OCZ Vertex HDD with a cheap ebay PicoPSU runs off a standard 12v 1.5A plugpack
[0:14] <mattwj2002> headless? O_o
[0:14] <bircoe> perfect for headless :)
[0:15] <bircoe> crap for headed!
[0:15] <mattwj2002> it has a gpu though?
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[0:15] <Armand> mattwj2002, Most of my kit will be.. I'll be running a webhost. :P
[0:15] <bircoe> yes there is just crap all support for it
[0:15] <CelticTurnip> I'd like that with the video outs being replaced with serial ports :)
[0:15] <bircoe> not even 64bit Windows drivers
[0:15] <mhz> like the pci slot
[0:15] <CelticTurnip> Armand: get a Soekris :P
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[0:16] * Armand flicks back to google.. ?_?
[0:16] <mattwj2002> Armand: what happened to running it all on pis?
[0:16] <Armand> mattwj2002, still will be.. but, I need a MySQL host and a backup store.
[0:16] <mattwj2002> got ya
[0:17] <CelticTurnip> Armand: check out the Soekris net6501 range, I have 1 of those (it's the shell I'm on right now) - nice headless, low power boxes
[0:17] <CelticTurnip> as long as you're comfortable using serial to configure stuff, they'r great
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[0:17] <Armand> Ohh, sod that. :P
[0:18] <bircoe> That's groovy
[0:18] <Armand> ssh or nothing.... lol
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[0:18] <CelticTurnip> Armand: once it's configured what do you think you'll use?
[0:18] <bircoe> CelticTurnip, not even telnet?
[0:18] <CelticTurnip> Armand: but if you want a truly headless box you need to get your serial on
[0:18] <Armand> le sigh
[0:18] <Armand> lol
[0:19] <comradekingu> bircoe: This is a good place to look http://wwwd.amd.com/catalog/salescat.nsf/shopsearchview?SearchView&Query=[form_factor=Mini-ITX]&SearchOrder=4
[0:19] <CelticTurnip> in BSD it's as easy as cu -s 19200 -l /dev/cua00 - I'm sure it's different in Linux, but hey... it's easy!
[0:19] <Armand> My main concern is power draw... but, I'm going to have to use HDD.
[0:19] <CelticTurnip> my Soekris uses 3W with SSD
[0:19] <mhz> this is exactly why i have a cyclades 1u 48 porter ;)
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[0:19] <bircoe> what OS?
[0:19] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: you talking to me? If so OpenBSD
[0:19] <Armand> I'll probably just end up waiting until I can blow a good amount of money on it.
[0:20] <bircoe> oh of course... you already said that :)
[0:20] <CelticTurnip> nah that's the HPs :P
[0:20] <CelticTurnip> I pretty much run OpenBSD on everything at home except the Pi
[0:20] <bircoe> I see
[0:21] <mattwj2002> BSD = blue screen of death?
[0:21] <mattwj2002> :P
[0:21] <mattwj2002> jk
[0:21] <mattwj2002> :D
[0:21] <bircoe> only if your talking abotu Windows :P
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[0:21] <mattwj2002> good point
[0:21] <mattwj2002> :)
[0:21] <bircoe> and we dont talk abotu Windows here :P
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[0:22] <mattwj2002> could a pi run on windows 8 rt?
[0:22] <Armand> -_-
[0:22] <bircoe> why would you want to? Windows 8 sucks anus
[0:22] <IT_Sean> heynow
[0:23] <DeliriumTremens> bircoe: windows 8 is just windows 7 with a tweaked UI, disable the tiles and it's not that bad
[0:23] <bircoe> Armand, it's not tided up yet but http://db.tt/ULqgPNOw
[0:23] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: I like your reviewing style
[0:23] <mattwj2002> I was just wondering if it was possible....not that I wanted to do it
[0:23] <mattwj2002> :)
[0:23] <bircoe> DeliriumTremens, I see parts of WIndows 7 under the dodgy interface, but it's the interface that lets it down.
[0:24] <bircoe> thanks CelticTurnip :)
[0:24] <DeliriumTremens> bircoe: you dont have to use the interface
[0:24] <bircoe> I know you dont
[0:25] <bircoe> the whole thing is a let down
[0:25] <DeliriumTremens> not really, but okay :D
[0:25] <bircoe> persisting with it is pointless in my view :P
[0:25] <DeliriumTremens> sounds like typical "hate windows because it's popular to do so" speak
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[0:25] <bircoe> no I hate Windows for my own reasons
[0:25] <bircoe> I like WIndows 7, I like how quickly 8 boots, but just hate 8 in general
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[0:26] <BlackFate> DeliriumTremens, actually the hipster logic now says..... support windows 8 cause everyone hates it
[0:26] * DeliriumTremens drives palm into forhead
[0:26] <CelticTurnip> oooh, it's cool?
[0:26] * CelticTurnip orders a copy
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[0:26] <bircoe> Hehe
[0:27] <bircoe> do it CelticTurnip
[0:27] <bircoe> I only did cos it was a $15 upgrade offer for my Win7 laptop
[0:27] * mattwj2002 orders a couple os linux
[0:27] <DeliriumTremens> I'm using it at work and it's quicker than 7 was
[0:27] <mattwj2002> *of
[0:27] <bircoe> I said I liked how quick it was :P
[0:27] <DeliriumTremens> some of the RSATs are improved too
[0:27] <bircoe> doesn't make it a good operating system
[0:28] <DeliriumTremens> I still havent seen you give a reason other than "because"
[0:28] * Slasher006 (~Slasher00@ip-80-226-0-3.vodafone-net.de) Quit (Quit: rennt schreiend davon)
[0:28] <bircoe> If you can't sit down infront of a Desktop Environment and immediately have an idea about how to use it then it's garbage :)
[0:28] <bircoe> Ok...
[0:29] <mattwj2002> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=32&release=latest
[0:29] <bircoe> I hate that I have to use a hot corner and wait for the time to display in order to see my laptops batter charge or wifi stregth
[0:29] <mattwj2002> did anyone see this? ubuntu is crying for donations if you download their OS
[0:29] <bircoe> I hate that theres no start button in the "Desktop"
[0:29] <CelticTurnip> ooh the real review...
[0:29] * CelticTurnip sits back and reads
[0:29] <home> mattwj2002: yeah :D
[0:29] <home> they dying
[0:30] <bircoe> I hate how difficult it is to find standard stuff liek the Control Panel
[0:30] <bircoe> I'd go on but i don't want to
[0:30] <DeliriumTremens> bircoe: you must wear a helmet around town, because it's incredibly easy to use
[0:30] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: a final score?
[0:30] <home> I use Linux Mint
[0:30] <bircoe> Gunna give it a 3.5 out of 10
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[0:30] <home> I recommend using Ubuntu with Cinnamon
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[0:30] <DeliriumTremens> windows button, three letters of what you want to open and you're there
[0:30] <CelticTurnip> DeliriumTremens: you don't like when people don't argree with you, eh?
[0:30] <DeliriumTremens> dont even need a mouse
[0:31] <DeliriumTremens> it's not rocket appliances
[0:31] <mattwj2002> ubuntu use to ship free CDs to people :(
[0:31] <mattwj2002> bastards!
[0:31] <CelticTurnip> here's my reaction to Windows 8... shiet that's ugly, next. Technically better or not than 7 I won't use it. :P
[0:31] <egrouse> haha i remember that mattwj2002
[0:31] <egrouse> i got like
[0:31] <DeliriumTremens> technology is better, without metro ui it looks nearly identical
[0:31] <egrouse> 50
[0:31] <CelticTurnip> mattwj2002: get Slackware it's free
[0:31] <bircoe> DeliriumTremens, that's not the point I'm making... sit a user who is not overly tech focused infront of it and watch how long ti takes them to find basic stuff
[0:31] <DeliriumTremens> your arguments don't make sense
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[0:32] <mattwj2002> CelticTurnip: ubuntu is free too
[0:32] <bircoe> I understand the search and the windows key, it's just stupid to take away simple quick point and click interfaces liek that
[0:32] <CelticTurnip> mattwj2002: yeah but it's Ubuntu
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[0:32] <mhz> ewwwubtu :(
[0:32] * PiBot sets mode +v lollo64it
[0:32] <CelticTurnip> get a UNIX like Linux :P
[0:32] <mattwj2002> but they are asking for money
[0:32] <DeliriumTremens> also, saying it is ugly is ridiculous, most of the window managers used in linux are terrible looking
[0:32] <mhz> and selling amazon
[0:32] <bircoe> when did i say ugly?
[0:33] <CelticTurnip> I did!
[0:33] <bircoe> oh
[0:33] <bircoe> hehe
[0:33] <CelticTurnip> It's ugly.. with a capital FUG!
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[0:33] <CelticTurnip> I'm glad you like it DeliriumTremens, personally I'll wait for something else :P
[0:33] <CelticTurnip> ... and I can see no point rolling it out here at work
[0:33] * bircoe sits back and ignores Windows some more.
[0:34] <bircoe> It's not even on the radar for our organisation
[0:34] * mattwj2002 converts all of bircoe's systems to Windows
[0:34] <CelticTurnip> oooh harsh!
[0:34] <bircoe> mattwj2002, if you want to live I wouldn't do that :P
[0:34] <mattwj2002> lol
[0:34] <mattwj2002> :D
[0:34] * CelticTurnip converts himself to Windows
[0:34] <bircoe> are you a Transformer?
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[0:35] <mattwj2002> I just had a thought
[0:35] <bircoe> Windows Maximus Prime
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[0:35] <mattwj2002> if you could put windows on a pi.......could you say I am putting a pi in the windows?
[0:35] <mattwj2002> :P
[0:35] <bircoe> HAHAHAHA
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[0:36] <bircoe> mattwj2002, errr no :P
[0:36] <CelticTurnip> ouch!
[0:36] <bircoe> nice quit msg CelticTurnip :)
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[0:37] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: yeah had to do a quick restore to my default OS :)
[0:38] <bircoe> heh
[0:38] <mattwj2002> hey one good thing about windows
[0:38] <CelticTurnip> games?
[0:38] <mattwj2002> it isn't Mac OS X
[0:38] <mattwj2002> :P
[0:38] <CelticTurnip> I love Mac OS X :P
[0:38] * bircoe slaps mattwj2002
[0:38] <mattwj2002> and games
[0:38] <bircoe> take that back
[0:38] <mattwj2002> :)
[0:38] <bircoe> OSX pwns WIndows
[0:38] <bircoe> plus it's Unix!
[0:38] <mattwj2002> sure there is a Apple store near me....do you have the original box?
[0:39] <CelticTurnip> as a BSD user OS X is a reasonable *nix
[0:39] <mattwj2002> :P
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[0:39] <bircoe> It's a better *nix than Windows :)
[0:39] <Armand> Sorry guys.. totally dozing off there. :P
[0:39] <mattwj2002> I am just a little bitter
[0:39] <Armand> Thanks for the advice. :D
[0:39] <mattwj2002> I have a Apple fan boy I work with
[0:39] <mattwj2002> haha
[0:40] <CelticTurnip> ewww! there's nothing worse than an Apple user who doesn't use it as a *nix box
[0:40] <bircoe> unless it's someones wife...
[0:40] <mattwj2002> hey can barely use a single button mouse
[0:40] <mattwj2002> :P
[0:40] <mattwj2002> *he
[0:40] <bircoe> I'd rather my wife use her Mac than a WIndows machine
[0:41] <bircoe> atleast the Mac you don't have to reinstall the OS every 6 months :P
[0:41] <mhz> seriously, mac over windoze anyday
[0:42] <bircoe> Was helping a woman at work who rearranged her office the other day, after shutting down and restarting the machin Windows had corrupted some core files and triggered Bitlocker, then constantly failed it's startup repair and now needs Windows reinstalled!
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[0:42] <mhz> looking cross-eyed at a windows box can make it fail
[0:42] <bircoe> Windows... never shut it down... it may never start again!
[0:43] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: same thing happened to me, I have a hex core, SLI gaming box... powered it on after a while of not bothering, thing wouldn't boot...
[0:43] <CelticTurnip> I gave that the old WTF
[0:43] <bircoe> lol
[0:43] <CelticTurnip> seriously was working, no issues at all, powered it off for a week or 2, powered it on, Windows logo and nothing else...
[0:43] <CelticTurnip> :-/
[0:43] <bircoe> it's worse when the boxes are equiped with TPM's and Bitlocker enabled... you have to enter a 40or so char unlock key only for it to fail afterwoods anyway!
[0:43] <CelticTurnip> tried repairing, nothing wrong, reboots, Windows logo nothing else...
[0:44] <bircoe> Windows FTW!
[0:44] <bircoe> That's what i like about *nix so much, rarely would an issue arise liek that where you just have to format the drive and reinstall
[0:45] <mhz> if one must, must, must, use windows.. always good to keep a partition image around created right after the previously installation to rollback to
[0:46] <bircoe> we use SCCM at work so it's a matter of pressing F12 at startup, doing a network boot and letting the automated install run.
[0:46] <CelticTurnip> god bless pxe installs :)
[0:46] <bircoe> indeed
[0:46] <mhz> we use pxe boot to preseed all of our boxes here.
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[0:47] <CelticTurnip> I use PXE at home :P
[0:47] <mhz> i live in squeeze land
[0:47] <CelticTurnip> but hey a dorks a dork!
[0:47] <bircoe> still with all the bloat we run takes 2 hours on modern Core i3 and i5 machines...
[0:47] <CelticTurnip> I mean cool *nix using fellow
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[0:49] <rastahh> how can i create a file with several commands to execute? debian
[0:49] <rastahh> want to ncftp and after that to delete several files
[0:49] <rastahh> so 2 commands in 1 file
[0:49] <bircoe> you mean a script?
[0:49] <rastahh> yo!
[0:49] <rastahh> xD
[0:49] <rastahh> didnt got that now
[0:49] <rastahh> too much beer atm
[0:50] <rastahh> never scripted
[0:50] <bircoe> this will give you the basics you need to know
[0:50] <bircoe> http://floppix.ccai.com/scripts1.html
[0:50] <rastahh> THX bro
[0:50] <bircoe> or
[0:51] <bircoe> you can run commands seperated by a ;
[0:51] <bircoe> so cmd1; cmd2
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[0:51] <rastahh> oh
[0:51] <bircoe> ifconfig; ping 192.168.1.1
[0:51] <bircoe> likethat
[0:51] <rastahh> thats maybe what i need
[0:51] <rastahh> thx
[0:51] <bircoe> they will run one after the other
[0:52] <rastahh> yo
[0:52] <rastahh> thats nice
[0:52] <rastahh> i love linux
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[0:52] <bircoe> or if you use a & instead of a ; it will run both at the same time
[0:52] <rastahh> oh cool
[0:52] <rastahh> but not what i need now
[0:52] <bircoe> just be careful with that cos you won't be able to shutdown the first one without using kill commands
[0:52] <rastahh> wanna backup some files via ncftp and after that delete some files but not all
[0:53] <bircoe> easy, use ; or a script
[0:53] <rastahh> yo
[0:53] <rastahh> tanx mi bro
[0:53] <rastahh> austria
[0:53] <rastahh> ?
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[0:54] <bircoe> nope
[0:55] <bircoe> australia
[0:55] <rastahh> haha
[0:55] <rastahh> kk sry
[0:55] <bircoe> straya cuz
[0:55] <CelticTurnip> rastahh: learn the difference between & and && and learn !! too :)
[0:55] <CelticTurnip> that's a start
[0:55] <rastahh> hmk CelticTurnip
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[0:57] <mhz> !$ is very useful too ;)
[0:57] <mhz> that and ctrl-r
[0:58] <andi3> hi, i have rev2 and not powered hdmi2svga cable, is it going cook the board?
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[0:58] <BlackFate> <bircoe> or if you use a & instead of a ; it will run both at the same time
[0:58] <BlackFate> ops soz... wrong paste
[0:59] <mhz> &&*
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[0:59] <rastahh> i am doin it with a script file
[0:59] <rastahh> seems to be the best way now
[1:00] <rastahh> and easiest :P
[1:00] <rastahh> i am very lazy
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[1:01] <CelticTurnip> and you're doing this while you're drunk?
[1:01] <CelticTurnip> I like your style! :)
[1:01] <mhz> legal pot in wa state is going to be the best thing ever for my python development
[1:01] <rastahh> for real
[1:01] <rastahh> if weed would be legal here i would smoke until my eyes would fall out
[1:01] <mhz> ^
[1:01] <rastahh> but i lost my driving licence already
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[1:02] <BurtyB> that is until you end up in a monged state and don't even know your name
[1:02] <rastahh> enough to stop it here in babylon -.-
[1:02] <CelticTurnip> if you're going to smoke until your eyes fall out I know if worrying if it legal or not should be your biggest concern :P
[1:02] <rastahh> lol
[1:02] <mhz> word from the wise) invest in cheetos
[1:02] <CelticTurnip> I *don't* know...
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[1:03] <rastahh> smoked a lot some times ago
[1:03] <rastahh> now its f****** alcohol
[1:03] <CelticTurnip> and braille lessons
[1:03] <mhz> alcohol =(
[1:03] <rastahh> yeah that suc***** thing
[1:04] <rastahh> but i have to do my work
[1:04] <rastahh> so there is no other way atm
[1:04] <rastahh> everyone is taking drugs
[1:04] <rastahh> day by day
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[1:05] <bircoe> not me... we get drug tested at work :/
[1:05] <rastahh> if its eating until ya belly is like the full moon, or sports, or meat, or your work, or coffee, coke
[1:05] <rastahh> all of that are drugs :)
[1:05] <rastahh> but now i have to work again
[1:05] <rastahh> thx for your help!
[1:06] <CelticTurnip> good luck :)
[1:06] <mhz> take is easy, a bit sleezy :D
[1:06] <rastahh> ^^
[1:06] <rastahh> 0106
[1:06] <rastahh> ...
[1:06] <rastahh> am
[1:07] <CelticTurnip> Thu Nov 22 11:07:55 EST 2012
[1:08] <CelticTurnip> morning here too :P
[1:08] <CelticTurnip> but in the future...
[1:08] <bircoe> same timezone :P
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[1:08] <rastahh> :D
[1:08] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: where you? I'm in Melbourne.
[1:09] <rastahh> that thing, the internet is still a nice thing
[1:09] <bircoe> I live in a town just off the Hume Highway :)
[1:09] <rastahh> if it brings so much trouble and the armagideon to the world :D
[1:09] <rastahh> as*
[1:09] <rastahh> bad english sry
[1:09] <CelticTurnip> I work in Frankson, and live near Baccus Marsh... :P
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[1:09] <CelticTurnip> go the bush!
[1:09] <bircoe> never heard of either :P
[1:10] <bircoe> I'm semi bush...
[1:10] <bircoe> got 8 acres 5k's from town
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[1:10] <CelticTurnip> 1 is at 1 end of Melbourne, the other is outside in the burbs
[1:10] <CelticTurnip> nothing like a small 90K trip 1 way :)
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[1:11] <bircoe> hehe my daily is 140k round trip :)
[1:11] <CelticTurnip> nice! I've been trying to the chick to move further out :)
[1:11] <rastahh> a friend of my is doin' work&travel atm in australia
[1:11] <rastahh> mine*
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[1:11] <CelticTurnip> tell them to watch out for drop bears
[1:11] <rastahh> ^^
[1:11] <bircoe> deadly animals
[1:12] <bircoe> theres nothing more vicious
[1:12] <CelticTurnip> they're the worst
[1:12] <LostInInaka> anildigital: sorry for the late reply???it is a retro pie???working on the xternals a bit now, but been a bit busy
[1:13] <CelticTurnip> rastahh: the Australian museum has an article on them... might want to let your friend know: http://australianmuseum.net.au/Drop-Bear
[1:14] <CelticTurnip> scary things
[1:14] <rastahh> haha thanx CelticTurnip
[1:14] <bircoe> I'd rather do this than come across a drop bear:
[1:14] <bircoe> http://global3.memecdn.com/meanwhile-in-australia_o_865328.jpg
[1:15] <rastahh> :D
[1:15] <rastahh> croco frisbee
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[1:16] <mhz> happy turkey day or whatever everyone. i go home now bye bye
[1:17] <rastahh> ^^
[1:17] <rastahh> cu mhz
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[1:18] <bircoe> hmmm... something to ponder:
[1:18] <bircoe> http://www.reallyghey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/42869341_416australia_afp.jpg
[1:20] <rastahh> argh cannot find a way to delete files recursive(ly) except a specified filename
[1:20] <bircoe> rm -R
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[1:21] <rastahh> rm -R *?[!file] doesnt work
[1:21] <rastahh> yeah but i dont wanna delete it all
[1:21] <bircoe> so if you want to delete a folder called temp
[1:21] <rastahh> some files have to stay
[1:21] <bircoe> rm -R temp
[1:21] <bircoe> oh
[1:21] <rastahh> except given filename
[1:21] <bircoe> is there a pattern of files to delete?
[1:22] <rastahh> they have the name chunk
[1:22] <rastahh> ;)
[1:22] <bircoe> rm -R chunk*
[1:22] <rastahh> lol
[1:22] <rastahh> really?
[1:22] <rastahh> gonna try
[1:22] <rastahh> just deleted all file ;(
[1:22] <scummos> * matches everything, yes
[1:22] <rastahh> ^^
[1:23] <rastahh> yeah but i wanna delete everything except files with filename *chunk*
[1:23] <rastahh> *.*chunk*
[1:23] <scummos> well this doesn't.
[1:23] <bircoe> oh except...
[1:23] <bircoe> heh
[1:23] <rastahh> hehe
[1:23] <scummos> you can try something like rm $(ls |grep -v chunk)
[1:23] <rastahh> hm
[1:23] <bircoe> you could also look at the find command
[1:24] <scummos> yes, or use find, that's the more professional way.
[1:24] <rastahh> find...
[1:24] <rastahh> k
[1:24] <rastahh> new to linux :D
[1:24] <rastahh> thx
[1:24] <scummos> find -exec rm, specifically... but don't run that! :D
[1:24] <rastahh> lol
[1:24] <bircoe> find . -type f \( -iname "*chunk*" \)
[1:24] <scummos> also first run it without -exec rm, and see what it lists
[1:24] <scummos> this is recursive, and the ls thing isn't
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[1:25] <bircoe> if that find works add -exec rm {} on the end
[1:26] <bircoe> MAKE SURE YOU ARE INSIDE AN UNIMPORTANT FOLDER!
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[1:27] <rastahh> kk
[1:27] <CelticTurnip> ... or read the man pages, and teach yourself instead of running commands you don't understand :P
[1:27] <rastahh> just doin ;)
[1:27] <rastahh> only needed a hint
[1:27] <rastahh> find seems to be the right thing
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[1:35] <rastahh> find . -not -name dont-delete -exec rm {} \;
[1:35] <rastahh> maybe
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[1:44] <sirspazzolot> if I wanna watch a video should I put it on the sd card or will it play reasonably well off a usb flash drive?
[1:44] <sirspazzolot> usb2.0
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[2:14] <messenjah> cyaan get it working like i want it to. gwaan fi sleep now. thx bredren fi your advices. without i wouldn't get anything working with scripting
[2:14] <messenjah> cu
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[2:48] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[2:48] <mattwj2002> does anyone have a gentoo raspberry pi?
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[2:51] <chithead> ask for information, not for people
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[2:58] <mattwj2002> okay chithead
[2:58] <mattwj2002> how do you install gentoo on a raspberry pi?
[2:59] <chithead> you can use a normal stage3, however you need to cross-compile the kernel (or use a precompiled one)
[2:59] <chithead> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi describes the steps
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[3:00] <mattwj2002> chithead: so do you use a gentoo live disk for partitioning and what not?
[3:01] <chithead> you partition the sd card using a normal pc, extract stage3 onto it, and copy firmware and the kernel
[3:02] <chithead> only then you plug the sd card into the rpi and boot from it
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[3:04] <mattwj2002> okay
[3:04] <mattwj2002> well all I have is ubuntu and windows on this pc
[3:05] <mattwj2002> could I boot the live cd on my pc and complete the steps?
[3:05] <chithead> ubuntu will do fine, as long as you are able to install a cross compiler for arm
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[3:07] <mattwj2002> chithead: I think I'll just use the live cd
[3:07] <mattwj2002> thanks for your help
[3:07] <mattwj2002> :)
[3:08] <chithead> if you get stuck, you can ask in #gentoo-embedded too
[3:11] <mattwj2002> thanks
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[3:52] <yggdrasil> good evening sirs
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[3:54] * rikkib Hmm, thinks to himself, he can't be talking to me, I am a grotty little Herbert...
[3:54] <IanCormac> Evening!
[3:55] <rikkib> Thu Nov 22 15:55:13 NZDT 2012
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[4:06] <IanCormac> So the fact that you have to purchase a license to use certain hardware for certain video codecs- is that enforced by the bootloader, or by the SoC itself?
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[4:09] <Tachyon`> SoC
[4:09] <Tachyon`> if you're thinking of cracking the bootloader, no chance, heh
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[4:19] <phire> IanCormac, just buy the license, they are cheap
[4:20] <IanCormac> I don't really need it, I just thought it would be a fun RE project
[4:20] <IanCormac> to dissect the bootloader
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[4:21] <Tachyon`> RE?
[4:21] <Tachyon`> oh, reverse engineering
[4:21] <Tachyon`> that parses as religious education here, lol
[4:22] <IanCormac> oh haha. Yes, the latter
[4:22] <phire> You are right about it being a fun RE project, but attacking the licences could get the Foundation in major trouble with MPEG LA
[4:22] * Tachyon` blinks
[4:22] <IanCormac> Maybe I'll find jesus in the bootloader
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[4:22] <Tachyon`> lol
[4:22] <piney0> the bootloader does allow an astronomically large amount of codec licenses in one config file, but imo that takes away the fun.
[4:22] <phire> and no more codecs
[4:22] <IanCormac> phire: I would not release the hacked bootloader, of course. I'm not stupid enough to bring that legal hellstorm down on myself haha
[4:23] <Tachyon`> if you could find some way to change the serial numver
[4:23] <Tachyon`> you might have a chance, but it seems unlikely
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[4:24] <phire> serial number is stored in otp
[4:25] <IanCormac> otp? What does that mean in this context?
[4:25] <Tachyon`> one time programmable
[4:26] <Tachyon`> although if it's like the old PROMs you might be able to just set it to zero
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[4:26] <IanCormac> I've never heard OTP used to mean "one time programmable"??? only ROM or PROM...
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[4:27] <phire> serial number is stored twice, the second time with all the bits inverted
[4:27] <Tachyon`> oh bugger
[4:28] <phire> which would prevent that attack
[4:28] <Tachyon`> er, excuse my french
[4:28] <IanCormac> haha clever
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[4:28] <IanCormac> Unless someone can figure out how to FF out that part of memory
[4:29] <Tachyon`> I really need to throw together a mirc script to remove particular words in here
[4:29] <Tachyon`> it's the only channel out of 30odd I have to watch my language in
[4:29] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: FF is very good at out of memory
[4:29] <Tachyon`> eh?
[4:30] <SpeedEvil> Firefox
[4:30] <SpeedEvil> and I know you meant 0xFF
[4:30] <IanCormac> hah
[4:31] <Tachyon`> that wasn't me but okay, lol
[4:31] <SpeedEvil> oops
[4:31] <SpeedEvil> you're the same colour
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[4:32] <IanCormac> It was me. I gotcha ;)
[4:33] <peluke> heh
[4:34] <peluke> anyone familer with the python eeml lib
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[4:36] <Matt_P> did I hear SoC enforced decoding?!
[4:37] <Matt_P> *cough* no *cough*
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[4:39] <IanCormac> say what? I would like to hear more from matt but he left
[4:39] <Tachyon`> what was that?
[4:44] <peluke> neeto it worked
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[6:38] <mdim> hi
[6:39] <mdim> i'm thinking of getting raspberry pi model b
[6:39] <mdim> does it come with any power plug cable?
[6:39] <phire> no
[6:40] <mdim> how do you provide power to it? Via Micro USB?
[6:41] <phire> yes
[6:41] <mdim> So something like this: http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/hnp06-microusb/micro-usb-euro-power-supply-for-raspberry-pi/7263053.aspx
[6:43] <phire> yeah
[6:43] <phire> In theory any cellphone charger with a microusb port that outputs at least 1A of power will work
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[6:43] <phire> But sometimes (especially if they come from china) they lie about how much power they can provide
[6:44] <mdim> 5V / 1A?
[6:44] <phire> yes
[6:45] <mdim> cool, thx
[6:45] <mdim> any US vendor that ships in a reasonable time (up to 1 month)?
[6:47] <phire> no idea
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[6:47] <mdim> how does model b behave in this case when it comes to heat? http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/raspberry-pi-type-b-case-clear/caseclr.aspx ,
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[7:59] <mgarces> hi there
[8:00] <phire> hi
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[8:45] <surfn_> hi, I'm struggling to setup an NFS server
[8:46] <surfn_> this is majorly complicated, when it shouldn't be.
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[8:47] <mdim> anyone ordered from Newark?
[8:47] <]DMackey[> Yup, Me..
[8:47] <mdim> How long does it take to ship within US?
[8:47] <]DMackey[> In fact, I just opened the 512mb RPi just now
[8:47] <surfn_> basically portmapper doesn't exist, and I've no idea a) what the alternative is b) how to enable it
[8:47] <mdim> hehe, cool
[8:47] <]DMackey[> IF they have it in stock, about 5 days
[8:47] <mdim> wow
[8:48] <mdim> IF not?
[8:48] <mgarces> in PT, I ordered mine on a Friday, got mine on Monday :)
[8:48] <]DMackey[> Mine took about 3.5 weeks
[8:48] <]DMackey[> I was in the first lot of Pre-Order AFTER they sold out the first time on the 512mb
[8:49] <]DMackey[> They took out the FUses near the USB ports and placed one of the mounting holes there..
[8:50] <]DMackey[> ok now where did I put the rest of those heatsinks I bought.,.
[8:51] <mdim> ]DMackey[: did you order anything beside board?
[8:51] <surfn_> have you guys got NFS working?
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[8:53] <]DMackey[> I'm in for the ??192 level, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pimoroni/picade-the-arcade-cabinet-kit-for-your-raspberry-p
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[9:02] <gordonDrogon> looks like the ?192 are almost all that's left...
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> only about half way to their goal though.
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> oh wait, double!
[9:04] <]DMackey[> Almost to the 65,536 goal.. \o/
[9:04] <]DMackey[> I'm a C= person so I love that number..
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[9:05] <]DMackey[> http://www.n2dvm.com is my C= site
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> eek :)
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> dates wrong - it's telling me the page was updated on the 6th of the 13th ..
[9:08] <]DMackey[> June 13th 2012
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> and here was me thinking it was a uk site for a minute there.
[9:09] <]DMackey[> Lol, Nope, NY site USA
[9:09] <]DMackey[> blog link is where all the activity is.
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> I never looked at commodore after my experiences with an early PET..
[9:09] <]DMackey[> I really need to start a blog with OTHER stuff I do.
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> Went down the Apple II route.
[9:10] <]DMackey[> I have never even TOUCHED a PET. I'm 45
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> you didn't miss much.
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[9:10] <]DMackey[> Maybe one day I'll grab an Educator 64
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[9:20] <messenjah> na ich werd schon noch ne loesung finden
[9:21] <messenjah> argh sorry
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[9:34] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[9:48] <mgarces> ey CelticTurnip
[9:48] <Armand> Hi, CelticTurnip .o/
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[9:54] <frogman1984> does RP support externl HDD without external power supply??
[9:54] <Armand> If I recall... it's not advised.
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[9:54] <mdim> hardly
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[9:57] <frogman1984> ok...
[9:58] <frogman1984> whatl should be the solution for an ideal HOME MEDIA player device?
[9:58] <cdan> frogman1984, I very much doubt RP's power supply will be able provide enough current for an external HDD
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[9:58] <frogman1984> WIFI? DLNA? or external HDD?
[9:59] <cdan> frogman1984, you can buy a USB hub with external supply
[10:01] <tdy> just came across the PiBorg site
[10:01] <tdy> looks cool, but i guess it's dead
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[10:10] <frogman1984> thanks for the answers
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[10:18] <gordonDrogon> external SDD might just work...
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> but power is king here...
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[10:21] <frogman1984> yes... SSD... not HDD
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[10:26] <Jck_true> frogman1984: Well if you want it dirt simple use a power split cable along with a extra wall adapter...
[10:27] <Jck_true> I power my wifi module that way
[10:27] <frogman1984> wifi module?
[10:28] <Jck_true> I got a 2800mW WiFi USB adapter :)
[10:29] <Jck_true> frogman1984: http://furyfire.info/raspberrypi/accessories.pdf
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[10:37] <Tachyon`> an SSD on the pi?
[10:37] <Tachyon`> what madness is this?
[10:38] <Jck_true> Tachyon`: Well... It would be silent :)
[10:38] <BurtyB> because as we all know SD cards are noisy
[10:38] <Tachyon`> well, yes, but it'd also be expensive, prone to power failure and limited in size, why not just get a virtually silent HDD
[10:39] <Tachyon`> some of the 2.5" ones are really quiet
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[10:39] <Tachyon`> can't hear my 1.8" one at all unless I put my ear to the drive
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[10:40] <Tachyon`> prone to corruption on power failure*
[10:41] <Tachyon`> with an HDD, if the poewr fails, you lose perhaps the file you're writing, with an SSD if the power fails during an erase/rewrite you lose not only the file you're writing but possibly silently corrupt other files that had bits in the same flash sector, I'm not a fan, lol
[10:42] <Tachyon`> (that problem also exists with SD of course)
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[10:48] <bbond007> im on my mk802
[10:48] <Tachyon`> ?
[10:48] <petern_> Still having keyboard issues, but it might only be on RISC OS :-(
[10:48] <Tachyon`> what's that?
[10:49] <Tachyon`> risc os is fine here, what sort of keyboard issues?
[10:49] <Tachyon`> repeating keys for no reason?
[10:49] <petern_> Repeating/missing keys.
[10:49] <Tachyon`> insufficient power is getting to the pi
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[10:49] <petern_> Which is annoying, as I'm using the power supply sold by RS for use with the pi.
[10:50] <Tachyon`> yes, how powerful is it?
[10:50] <petern_> 1200mA
[10:50] <Lexip> Anyone have any tips on finding a small, powered usb hub in the UK?
[10:50] <Tachyon`> ah, then the polyfuse may be the culprit, you may want to either link it out or supply power via USB
[10:50] <Tachyon`> maplins
[10:50] <Tachyon`> or amazon
[10:51] <Lexip> Hmm, will have a look at amazon I guess. Maplin is generally pretty expensive
[10:51] <Tachyon`> a 1200mA PSU is of limited use when the pi limits the power goign in to 750mA
[10:51] <Tachyon`> it is but it's not a den of thieves
[10:51] <Tachyon`> I'm sure the lethal electronics from china are their way of getting us back for the opium trade/wars
[10:52] <Lexip> Don't suppose you can recommend any particulary good hub Tachyon`?
[10:52] <petern_> I've tried with the keyboard direct and via a powered hub.
[10:52] <Tachyon`> what else do you have plugged in?
[10:52] <Tachyon`> wifi dongle?
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[10:52] <Tachyon`> the keyboard is unlikely to be the culprit
[10:52] <petern_> But yeah, the voltage reads as 4.77V
[10:52] <Tachyon`> unless it's wireless, in which case it could be a range issue
[10:52] <Tachyon`> ah right
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[10:53] <Tachyon`> the trouble with linking out the polyfuse is it voids the warranty
[10:53] <Tachyon`> but if you don't much care about that I can pretty much guarantee your problems will go away if you do
[10:54] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PORT-MAINS-POWERED-ADAPTER-LAPTOP/dp/B003DVC7N6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353578044&sr=8-1
[10:54] <petern_> It's weird because the mouse, as far as I can tell, still works normally.
[10:54] <Tachyon`> that's the one I use but the psu is only 1A so you'll be wanting to replace that
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[10:54] <Tachyon`> yeah, mice don't seem to be affected in the same way, not sure why
[10:54] <petern_> And it's a wireless keyboard & mouse, on the same dongle.
[10:54] <Tachyon`> then again a skipped packet with amouse would just mean slightly uneven movement
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[10:54] <Tachyon`> rather than missing/repeated keys
[10:55] <Tachyon`> so it likely is affected but you're not noticing the very small difference
[10:55] <petern_> So... basically my kit is unfit for purpose ;(
[10:55] <Tachyon`> the kit is fine
[10:55] <Tachyon`> it's a design flaw iwth the pi
[10:55] <Tachyon`> the polyfuse etc.
[10:56] <Tachyon`> (well, it's intended to protect people from themselves but has had unintended effects)
[10:56] <petern_> Yeah, I mean the psu & pi
[10:56] <Tachyon`> if you don't care about the warranty link out the polyfuse, it's a square possibly green component on the underside of the board near the power input
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[10:57] <Tachyon`> just solder a small wire across it or something
[10:58] <Tachyon`> I have a 2A supply on mine which I've added an extra end to so it can power both the pi and the above powered hub, that works fine but only after the polyfuse was removed and that's powering a small hard disk in additional to keybaord dongle, wifi, logitech gamepad dongle
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[11:03] <Lexip> Hmm, interesting
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[11:05] <Lexip> Thanks for the link, did you get the power supply of amazon as well?
[11:07] <Tachyon`> er, yes, but I got cheated on the first one
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[11:07] <Tachyon`> let me find the link to the one that did the job
[11:07] <Jck_true> Powering the RaspberryPi from pin 1 and 3 steps around the ployfuse right?
[11:07] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0065JCIPU/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00
[11:08] <Tachyon`> you probably can do it that way but I didn't as I wasn't sure how much current the tracks to the GPIO connector could take
[11:08] <Tachyon`> you can certainly power it via the USB ports
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[11:09] <Jck_true> I just still don't know how I crashed mine.. I accidentitally connected my supply to pin 1 and 2...
[11:09] <Jck_true> Loud pop when my PSU kicked out
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[11:10] <Jck_true> Then my raspberry wouldn't boot (or even show a red light the next 30 seconds
[11:10] <Jck_true> Then it spun back to life :D
[11:10] <BlackFate> hello!i set arm_freq=900... but /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm still reports frequency(45)=700000000. I got latest firmware
[11:10] <Tachyon`> you're bloody lucky
[11:10] <Tachyon`> BlackFate, I think it increases under load only
[11:10] <Jck_true> I just don't get how.. I shouldn't hit the polyfuse at all :
[11:11] <Tachyon`> you probably dind't
[11:11] <Tachyon`> but your PSU likely has a self resetting fuse
[11:11] <Tachyon`> and you probably shorted it or something using the wrong pins...
[11:11] <Jck_true> I removed it from the psu
[11:11] <Jck_true> Then tried to power it from the microusb
[11:11] <BlackFate> Tachyon`, it doesnt :(
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[11:12] <Jck_true> Note to self - Simply snapping the 12v line in a molex plug and mashing it down over the GPIO pins is not really a stable way of powering it
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[11:14] <Armand> O_O
[11:15] * Tachyon` mutters something and edits his list
[11:15] <Armand> I've been powering mine from solar, but I used some USB ports from an old case.. that way I keep the polyfuse. ;)
[11:17] <Lexip> Sweet, thanks again for the link Tachyon`. :-)
[11:18] <Tachyon`> aye, it's actually a phoen supply but cheap and does the job, lol
[11:18] <Tachyon`> speaking of taht
[11:18] <Tachyon`> if you have a phone supply to hand it's probably at least an amp
[11:18] <Tachyon`> so you might give that a try and make sure your existing one is actually doing what's printed on the label
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[11:20] <petern_> Hmm
[11:20] <petern_> Might be worth a try.
[11:21] <petern_> Silly me, expecting things to just work ;)
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[11:22] <Lexip> Don't have any other supplies than the one I have in my Pi :)
[11:23] <Tachyon`> ahh
[11:24] <Lexip> Borrowing a friends iphone 3g, much like the phone, the power supply is of no use Hah
[11:24] <Tachyon`> haha
[11:24] <Tachyon`> yeah, confusingly, the iphone 3g is the second generation
[11:24] <Lexip> Myes, that never did make much sense to me :P
[11:24] <petern_> Also, not hugely impressed, my pi arrived like this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22889721/2012-11-19%2012.48.15.jpg
[11:25] <Tachyon`> I have an ipod touch 2G here which is the same thing but with no phone
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[11:25] <Lexip> Looking at a WP8 though, just haven't decided on which phone to get.
[11:25] <Tachyon`> hrm, plastic box
[11:25] <Lexip> petern_, open like that? Weird :O
[11:25] <Tachyon`> hope it's in an anti static bag within that
[11:25] <petern_> Tachyon`, yeah it is.
[11:25] <Tachyon`> ah right, not so bad then
[11:26] <Tachyon`> lexip, I'd recommend anything by HTC or Samsing
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[11:26] <Lexip> That box looks like a decent case for the Pi! Mine from Element14 just came in an anti-stat bag :(
[11:26] <Tachyon`> I wouldn't not recommend anything runnign iOS (because apple are evil), windows phone (because it's dead) or blackberry (because it's dead)
[11:26] <Lexip> Well I've been looking at Samsung Ativ S, obvious downside being it isn't out until mid dec :(
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[11:27] <Tachyon`> I have an HTC wildfire S atm but I'm waiting fora n SGS3 to be delivered
[11:27] <Tachyon`> don't normally buy expensive phones but the display on that is the bset I've ever seen on a portable device
[11:27] <petern_> I splashed out and bought a case for the pi at the same time. Glad I did because it fits perfectly, holes & all.
[11:27] <Tachyon`> 1280x720 OLED etc.
[11:27] <nid0> i've just got myself a lumia 820, excellent phone
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[11:28] <Lexip> Considering the 920
[11:28] <petern_> I have a Galaxy Nexus. With a crack across the middle :-(
[11:28] <Lexip> All wp8 are so damn similar though, almost impossible to pick one!?
[11:28] <nid0> I would have had a 920 but nokia's got stupid lame carrier exclusivity on it in the uk :(
[11:28] <Tachyon`> it's windows phone
[11:28] <Tachyon`> it's dead
[11:28] <nid0> well, the big difference mainly is that the nokias are better than the htc's
[11:28] <Tachyon`> android is the only choice
[11:28] * Tachyon` snorts loudly
[11:28] <Lexip> nid0, carrier exclusivity?
[11:28] <Tachyon`> yeah, and monkeys might fly out of mya rse
[11:29] <Lexip> Tachyon`, wp7 yes, wp8 no! :)
[11:29] <nid0> Lexip: yeah, you can only get the 920 on ee/tmob/orange
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Tachyon`: >=/
[11:29] <Tachyon`> it's already dead, trust me on this
[11:29] <nid0> cant even buy it simfree, it comes locked to those three
[11:29] <Lexip> Wait what, no 920 on o2?
[11:29] <nid0> no.
[11:29] <Lexip> Hmm...
[11:29] <Tachyon`> windows phone is a dead standard, buy it and you'll have something with limited tono support ina year
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[11:29] <nid0> im on o2, hence having to get an 820
[11:29] <nid0> it undoubtedly will be available, but itll likely be at least a couple of months
[11:30] <Lexip> Well I'm on pay as you go now(o2), so swapping carrier isn't a huge deal I guess
[11:30] <Tachyon`> if you must buy a windows phone at least buy one that comes in an android variant too so you can reflash it later
[11:30] <nid0> jeez, give it a rest. great, you love android, you made that clear
[11:30] <Tachyon`> it's not a matter of preference
[11:30] <Tachyon`> it's a matter of what will still be in general use a year or two down the line
[11:30] <Tachyon`> and I won't be censored by you, heh
[11:31] <nid0> which is a matter of opinion, even worse than preference
[11:31] <Tachyon`> go read something, sales figures etc.
[11:31] <Tachyon`> you don't have to take my word for it
[11:31] <Tachyon`> still, it's your money so whatever
[11:31] <nid0> show me the terrible wp8 sales figures demonstrating its dead then
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[11:31] <Armand> I can see the Winphone OS dying as quickly as every other MS effort to hit the mobile market.
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[11:32] <tdy> well, not as fast as KIN
[11:32] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to stream audio live from a 3d sound usb card
[11:32] <tdy> biggest bust ever
[11:32] <gazzwi86> I'm trying to use python to do this
[11:32] <Lexip> Difference is Wp8 is actually good
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[11:35] <gazzwi86> I have posted the python scripts and errors here: https://gist.github.com/4130464
[11:35] * Tachyon` returnns with coffee
[11:36] <Tachyon`> do your own damn research, I'm not here to spoonfeed the wilfully ignorant and I didn't say WP8, I said Windows Phone generally
[11:36] <Armand> Lexip, I don't honestly believe it can displace Android... nor do I believe that MS can develop anything better than Android.
[11:36] <nid0> in other words, you dont have a clue about how wp8 is doing because there are no sales figures released yet, and basically you're talking out your arse
[11:36] <Tachyon`> although windows 8 is a joke, windows rt is a joke, and windows phone 8 will simply never get the market share with a proprietary OS when iOS is already firmly entrenched there and android is a much better choice
[11:36] <Lexip> I don't think it'll replace Android either, I think they'll both continue to have their own share of the market
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Mobile phones.. I just movd to giffgaff .. was on O2.. Getting a PAC from O2 was a PITA (yes, I now GG are owned by O2)
[11:37] <Tachyon`> no, I'm just not here to educate the ignorant, heh, you have web browser and google, use it
[11:37] <Armand> I'm kinda looking forward to MS being pushed down to the ranks of "also-ran" :P
[11:37] <BurtyB> plenty of fanbois on all sides to keep them alive ;)
[11:38] <Tachyon`> and now you're filtered, have a nice day
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> however i've always bought phones outright - at least for the past 10 years or so - can't be doing with a contract anymore.
[11:38] <Armand> I'm sure MS won't disappear anytime soon.. they still have a strong market share in the workplace.
[11:38] <Armand> As for gamers... enough said. -_-
[11:38] <Tachyon`> yeah, but windows 8
[11:38] <Tachyon`> they'd have to train all their staff to use it again
[11:39] <Armand> WinH8 is gawd awful... and, they've carried a few mistakes over from Pista/W7.
[11:39] <Tachyon`> and windows rt is a locked down pile of manure
[11:39] <Armand> W7 is as good as it gets..
[11:39] <Lexip> Armand, mistakes such as? :)
[11:39] <Tachyon`> aye, I refused to use vista
[11:39] <Tachyon`> went from XP to 7
[11:39] <Armand> Completely ruined the networking setup... for 1.
[11:39] <Tachyon`> and it looks like I won't be using windows 8 either
[11:40] <Tachyon`> I did try vista a number of times
[11:40] <Armand> I'll go for Win7, when I get a better gfx card.
[11:40] <Tachyon`> but every time it had some porblem
[11:40] <Armand> I'm still using XP on my main, as I only need directX 9.
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[11:40] <Tachyon`> the horde are safe atm, my subscription ran out last night it appears
[11:40] <Armand> lol
[11:41] * Tachyon` mumbles at the idea of pay by month games
[11:41] <Elspuddy> morning
[11:41] <Armand> I need to get back on Star Trek and destroy more ships. :P
[11:41] <Tachyon`> (level 86 dr?nei firmly entrenched in Pandaria atm)
[11:41] <Tachyon`> ah, I bought the collectors edition of that
[11:41] <Tachyon`> boy was that an unwise purchase
[11:41] <Armand> Star Trek Online ?
[11:41] <Tachyon`> yes
[11:41] <Armand> Free. :D
[11:41] <Tachyon`> it is now
[11:41] <Armand> trollolololol
[11:41] <Tachyon`> it wasn't when I bought it
[11:42] <Armand> I love it.. I've got my sovereign class. ^_^
[11:43] <Armand> I found getting to lvl40 was all too quick though.
[11:43] <Armand> Or, is it 50 ??
[11:43] <Armand> w/e
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[11:45] <Kottizen> Hi everyone. I got a Pi and I would like to be able to remotely switch on and off my toaster at home. Is this possible, and what sort of component should I buy and attach to it? I assume it's something I connect via USB and then use to control the toaster's electricity supply?
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[11:46] <Armand> Tachyon`, someone should port STO to run on Pi. :D
[11:47] <nid0> Kottizen: there're any number of ways, if you want something out of the box you could for example use a lightwaverf wireless power socket and an appropriate rf usb stick connected to the pi, or could do something a bit more DIY via the gpio pins
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[11:49] <artag> how do they lightwaverf bits compare with others ? the switching modules look nice and economical but do you need that wifi link module to do anything useful ?
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[11:50] <artag> i'd prefer a hackable gateway really, but maye that already is
[11:50] <artag> *maybe
[11:50] <nid0> yeah a link module of some kind is needed if you want to do anything beyond using their standard remotes, but pretty much any 3rd party 433mhz transciever is compatible with lightwaverf
[11:50] <nid0> and the proper wifi link module they use just receives commands via http and their makeup is fairly well documented, so its easy enough to put together your own software to send controls through it
[11:51] <Armand> Most toasters have a power lock?
[11:51] <Armand> So, power has to be applied to lock it down..
[11:51] <artag> wasn't always the case, but maybe it's a requirement now.
[11:52] <artag> if it's not a safety law, some resolutely mechanical one like a Dualit might work
[11:52] <Armand> So.. if the power is removed, it automatically pops up.
[11:52] <Kottizen> This one doesn't have a power lock; it'll give heat to the toasts as long as it's plugged into the wall
[11:52] <Armand> Ok
[11:52] <Kottizen> (or well, it has, but I removed it)
[11:52] <Armand> lol
[11:53] <Kottizen> GPIO pins sounds interesting, thank you nid0!
[11:53] <Kottizen> (if anyone has any other suggestions I'm still open!)
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[11:56] <artag> if you use GPIO pins, you'll want either a solid-state relay or a mechanical relay and a transistor driver to switch it. Both perfectly good solutions and not hard to do.
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[11:58] <gordonDrogon> Kottizen, computer toaster. Just say no. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec
[12:03] <Jck_true> There was a tiny tutorial on the forums where a guy modifede one of thoose 6 plugs power rails with a large red switch on them... Anybody stumbled opon that too?
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[12:03] <Jck_true> I just can't seem to find it again
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[12:21] <Tachyon`> heh, my elite port will work on the pi when I finish adapting it
[12:21] <Tachyon`> (as it's pandora related atm)
[12:21] <Tachyon`> but that's as close as you're likely to get to STO
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, is this elite or oolite? I saw on the forums that someone was trying to get oolite going ...
[12:24] <Tachyon`> TNK
[12:24] <Tachyon`> but rahter modified
[12:24] <Tachyon`> one sec, I have pics somewhere
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[12:25] <gordonDrogon> The New Kind ...
[12:25] <Tachyon`> http://boards.openpandora.org/index.php?/topic/4479-pandora-elite-beta/page__hl__%2Belite+%2Bbeta
[12:25] <Tachyon`> yes, that one
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> neat.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> I wish I could justfy buying a pandora box.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> I'd love to see something like my basic running on it :)
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[12:29] <Tachyon`> oolite has user generated missions mind so if eople are doing that might as well leave them to it
[12:29] <Tachyon`> also, someone else can get sued when Braben goes all litigous again
[12:30] <bircoe> I think you enjoy basic a little too much gordon :P
[12:30] <Tachyon`> had to sneak the pandora release out in a forum post as a beta
[12:30] <Tachyon`> so it wasn't too obvious
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[12:32] <bircoe> this combined with a Raspberry Pi hacked into a Megadrive or SNES case would be spectacular!
[12:32] <bircoe> https://www.dragonbox.de/en/consoles-and-tools/71-retrode-2-1.html
[12:33] <Tachyon`> you don't need that
[12:33] <Tachyon`> the pi can run megadrive/snes games
[12:33] <Tachyon`> and neo geo
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> yea I noticed on that site that Braben asked them to stop distributing the source... a bit late, I suspect, but hey ho..
[12:33] <Tachyon`> and probably others, lol
[12:33] <Tachyon`> er, what, where?
[12:33] <bircoe> I know, but running the games directly from the original cartridge screams retro
[12:33] <Tachyon`> I didn't htink he'd noticed it
[12:34] <Tachyon`> anyway, he can, erm, go forth and multiply, heh
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> on http://www.christianpinder.com/games/
[12:34] <Tachyon`> oh right, yes, the original TNK
[12:34] <Tachyon`> he's had his 17 years
[12:34] <Tachyon`> he has not a leg to stand on now if I understand things correctly
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> "Unfortunately in 2003 David Braben, one of the original Elite copyright holders, asked me to stop distribution of E-TNK so it is now quite hard to get hold of.
[12:34] <Tachyon`> which I probably don't, but I think you can only claim patents etc. for so long
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> it's probably copyright - which is a lot longer than patents )-:
[12:35] * Tachyon` sneezes and accidentally posts a link to http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.pandora/newkindpandora.tar.gz
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> and given he's looking for funding to write a new version, then I suspect he might not take kindly to others (again)
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> if only I had a pandora to run it on.
[12:36] <Tachyon`> that's the source
[12:36] <Tachyon`> it depends on liballegro with ogg vorbis support
[12:36] <Tachyon`> as I replaced the nasty midi music with copyright free performances from the vienna philharmonic orchestra
[12:37] <Tachyon`> except the title music which christian pinder wrote himself so that's still as is
[12:37] <Tachyon`> but the parade of ships / docking etc. music is much improved
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> I've just written a cesil interpreter in basic.
[12:38] <Tachyon`> anyway, no original code was used
[12:38] <Tachyon`> so no copyright was violated
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> added in some extras to control a virtual xmas tree lights...
[12:38] <Tachyon`> and that's that, regardless of what braben seems to think
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> Depends on his pockt and his lawyers - they may lay claim to the "game design", etc.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> just like the Tetris people do.
[12:39] <Tachyon`> yes well, he's welcome to attempt to sue me but he'll quickly find out that going after a man on disability with virtually no money isn't very productive, heh
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[12:40] <Tachyon`> I dunno what his problem is anyway, he's made his money from it
[12:40] <Tachyon`> I'm also aiming to create a multiplatform space MMO set in the elite universe
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[12:41] <Tachyon`> for pc/linux/android etc.
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[12:41] <Tachyon`> it's not as hard as you might think, although network lag is proving an issue
[12:41] <Tachyon`> and I'm not sure what to do about that
[12:42] <Tachyon`> it'd be okay at long distances as light lags anyway, if the enemy ship is more than about 20,000 miles away then restrictions due to the speed of light will allow me to work around the network lag
[12:43] <Tachyon`> but close range dogfighting it can become an issue
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> You may find that it's not about the money for him, it's about the status and public appeal (and the money from sales of *his* version rather than people getting something for fre lsewh
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> ouch. my basics just oom'd on me )-:
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> running a cesil program.
[12:46] <AeroNotix> hi all - using the archlinux-arm image. Cannot update. It always gets partway through updating and then freezes. Upon rebooting the system it seems to be in a partially upgraded state, SSHD fails to load. Logs tell a story of SD card errors, though they are vague. Any ideas?
[12:46] <Tachyon`> faulty sd card, maybe it's hitting a bad sector
[12:46] <Tachyon`> can you try another one?
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[12:49] <AeroNotix> Tachyon`: I don't have another one. Any software I can use to test it. I tried fsck. No errors.
[12:50] <Tachyon`> you can pass a parameter to fsck to do a surface scan I think
[12:50] <Tachyon`> you should probably do that
[12:50] <adammw111> Hi, I heard that you can get a cpu frequency applet for lxde, does anyone know how to use it?
[12:50] <Tachyon`> I can't remember what it is though, bad block check I think it's called in the help
[12:50] <AeroNotix> ok
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> AeroNotix, I'd take the sd card out and check it in another PC.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> AeroNotix, however, sudo badblocks -s -c 128 /dev/mmcblk0 will check the sd card...
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> in the pi.
[13:08] <Tachyon`> hd tune is good on windows
[13:08] <Tachyon`> for testing drives
[13:08] <Tachyon`> should that be --badblocks at all?
[13:09] <Tachyon`> unusual way to pass a switch without anything of that nature
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[13:19] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: sudo badblocks -s -c 128 /dev/mmcblk0
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done
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[13:28] <yang2> are the 512MB in size identical to 256MB ? I am asking regarding the chasis
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[13:29] <mgarces> yang2: I believe so
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> don't know 1st hand, but I don't see any reason for them not to be - there would be 100's of very angry pi case makers if they were...
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[13:31] <frikinz> Reminds me that I have to buy a case before a cable slips on the pi.. a case is probably the first thing to buy
[13:32] <frikinz> secondly I'll buy a usb hub. have to check the wiki before buying probably
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[14:11] <diverdude> What are you guys using your pi's for?
[14:12] <Lexip> Media player in my living room :)
[14:12] <yang2> router
[14:12] <BlackFate> seedbox
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> box filler
[14:13] <BlackFate> Lexip, actually a tried an intensive full HD demo and it kinda lagged in some parts
[14:13] <jelly1> router would be slowwww
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[14:13] <jelly1> seedbox too :p
[14:13] <BlackFate> jelly1, which part?
[14:14] <jelly1> BlackFate: I/O
[14:14] <Lexip> I'm not too fusses about full HD, I just playing music and at most 720p videos, works fine and suits my needs! :)
[14:14] <BlackFate> jelly1, i got an external self powered disk
[14:14] <jelly1> BlackFate: still uses I/O
[14:15] <BlackFate> well till now it worked fine. :-/
[14:16] <jelly1> sure it wroks
[14:16] <Lexip> How fast though? :)
[14:17] <BlackFate> i got a slow adsl line and i access my files through wifi.. so i guess im for from reaching that bottleneck
[14:17] <BlackFate> for==far
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[14:19] <diverdude> anybody tried using raspberry pi for some sort of image processing?
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[14:19] <jelly1> yes
[14:20] <diverdude> jelly1, what sort of image processing?
[14:20] <jelly1> face recognition with a webcam
[14:20] <diverdude> jelly1, oh really? nice....how did that go?
[14:20] <Lexip> Oooh, that's a fun project :)
[14:20] <jelly1> don't expect miracles
[14:21] <jelly1> :)
[14:21] <jelly1> but I blame broadcom for it
[14:21] <jelly1> well i did face detection btw, now working on recognition
[14:22] <diverdude> jelly1, hmm i see...what was the problem?
[14:22] <jelly1> diverdude: it's slow :p
[14:22] <Lexip> Your code is slow!
[14:22] <jelly1> no
[14:22] <Lexip> I joke, that's offensive :<
[14:22] <diverdude> jelly1, aha...so raspberry has its problems on the face detection :) Did you use viola jones for initial steps?
[14:23] <jelly1> i have used a haar filter
[14:23] <diverdude> jelly1, ok...and that sends raspberry to the floor?
[14:23] <diverdude> so to speak :D
[14:24] <jelly1> it's partly fetching video / detection
[14:24] <BlackFate> well its only 35usd. Get a beagleboard for miracles
[14:24] <jelly1> so it could be gstreamer encoding/re-encoding
[14:24] <jelly1> BlackFate: if the GPU chip was programmable it would be nice
[14:24] <diverdude> jelly1, yeah...did you try opencv on it?
[14:24] <jelly1> diverdude: sure
[14:24] <diverdude> jelly1, how did that go?
[14:24] <diverdude> even worse? :D
[14:24] <jelly1> it works
[14:25] <diverdude> ohh nice
[14:25] <jelly1> i only used opencv
[14:25] <BlackFate> jelly1, isnt there any work on that?(any future plans)
[14:25] <jelly1> BlackFate: it's still not open
[14:25] <Tachyon`> bah
[14:25] <Tachyon`> why they can't just release data on things you've paid for is beyond me
[14:25] <BlackFate> how does omxplayer do it in the first place?
[14:26] <Tachyon`> the chinese will copy it if so inclined anyway
[14:26] <diverdude> jelly1, whats your development procedure? Do you develop it on your laptop and download it to the raspberry?
[14:26] <Tachyon`> omxplayer just passes the video stream to teh GPU and lets the chips fall where they may
[14:26] <Tachyon`> afaik
[14:26] <jelly1> diverdude: i develop it at my laptop and test it , compile it on the Pi
[14:26] <jelly1> Tachyon`: really
[14:26] <Tachyon`> it has to decode the audio itself
[14:26] <Tachyon`> but other than that, it's just the GPU doing the work afaik
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[14:27] <diverdude> jelly1, ah ok...thats really interresting...i have considered trying this out also
[14:27] <jelly1> Tachyon`: do you need a license for that?
[14:27] <jelly1> :p
[14:28] <Tachyon`> not for mpeg4, yes for mpeg2/ms video (the ms video license might also do DivX 3.x but I've got to buy the bloody thing before I can find out)
[14:28] <jelly1> ugh
[14:28] <Tachyon`> a lot of my DS9 is in DivX 3.x though
[14:28] <Tachyon`> so it will get bought on the offchance, it's only 1.20
[14:28] <the_eye> can omxplayer access dvd drives?
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[14:29] <Tachyon`> I have no idea and I seriously doubt it can deCSS
[14:29] <jelly1> Tachyon`: i wouldnt buy it, it feels wrong
[14:29] <the_eye> (if they're connected via e.g. usb)
[14:29] <jelly1> the_eye: not enough power i bet
[14:29] <jelly1> btw you have dvd's :o
[14:29] <Tachyon`> I dunno, I couldplay DVDs on an old Cyrix 266
[14:29] <the_eye> yes, historycally
[14:29] <Tachyon`> using powerdvd
[14:29] <Tachyon`> so I'd think the pi /can/ do it
[14:29] <Tachyon`> but just hasn't, try VLC
[14:29] <the_eye> can vlc use the gpu?
[14:29] <Tachyon`> as that's packaged and can certainly play DVDs
[14:29] <Tachyon`> no
[14:29] <the_eye> or is that omxplayer only?
[14:29] <linuxstb> the_eye: I'm almost certain the answer is no - it can only play files.
[14:29] <Tachyon`> but it may not need it for just DVD
[14:30] <the_eye> ah
[14:30] <Tachyon`> also, DVD is MPEG2
[14:30] <the_eye> hmm
[14:30] <jelly1> how does omxplayer use the GPU and vlc won't
[14:30] <Tachyon`> so you'd need the license in order to try
[14:30] <jelly1> Tachyon`: ^
[14:30] <Tachyon`> because omx player was written for exactly that
[14:30] <the_eye> yeah, which is why I'm considering buying the license
[14:30] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1: vlc doesn't use omxplayer
[14:30] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: nowai
[14:30] <ShiftPlusOne> *sorry OpenMAX
[14:30] <jelly1> i know vlc != omxplayer
[14:30] <ShiftPlusOne> brain lag
[14:30] <jelly1> huh
[14:30] <Tachyon`> VLC could be improved
[14:30] <Tachyon`> and I hope someone does it
[14:30] <jelly1> nah
[14:30] <jelly1> we have mplayer
[14:30] <Tachyon`> but it's a bit beyond my ability I suspect, I've never even looked at the GPU
[14:31] <the_eye> I personally would prefer if mplayer had a way to use the gpu
[14:31] <Tachyon`> yes, I thought we might want something good
[14:31] <jelly1> gstreamer/ffmpeg should use the gpu
[14:31] <the_eye> so far, only omxplayer does, correct?
[14:31] <Tachyon`> although mplayer does nicely on the pandora
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3342
[14:31] <jelly1> iirc opencv uses ffmpeg or gstreamer
[14:31] <Tachyon`> unfortunately the pandora seems to be 3-4 times the speed on identical code/speed
[14:31] <Tachyon`> wiht my admittedly not very scientific benchmarking
[14:32] <jelly1> anyway back to my stuff
[14:32] <jelly1> i am thinking about letting mjpgstreamer fetch the video and feed that too opencv
[14:32] <jelly1> since mjpgstreamer seems to not swallow that much cpu
[14:33] <jelly1> since I plan to make a sort of surveillance system
[14:35] <BlackFate> jelly1, zoneminder or motion?
[14:35] <jelly1> BlackFate: no, this is a project to write my own ;)
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[14:37] <jelly1> hmm btw openmax is prop?
[14:38] <linuxstb> It's an open spec, but the implementations are proprietory
[14:38] <jelly1> oh fun
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[14:41] <dero> guys, what's the max overclock you did without overvolting?
[14:42] <dero> I am currently doing arm_freq=930, core_freq=850, sdram_freq=850
[14:42] <BlackFate> dero, 800
[14:42] <jelly1> 1000MHz
[14:42] <BlackFate> 1000 needs overvolting
[14:42] <ShiftPlusOne> dero: any luck with the sd corruption investigation of yours?
[14:42] <dero> not yet
[14:43] <dero> I am at 930/850/850 and it's still rock stable ;(
[14:43] <jelly1> i just let it scale itself
[14:43] <dero> I am already flashing another SD card, hopefully get some corruption with it
[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne> good luck
[14:47] <dero> but, it's still a bit mysterious: ext4 is supposed to be very solid, so even in case of recognizable SD problems, it should not mess the filesystem
[14:47] <dero> hence, at worst case, it could be that the current driver implementation accepted some transfer even though it was not going through
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[14:49] <dero> 980/980/980 still stable
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[15:05] <dero> is there a way to show CURRENT clocks (if dynamic overclocking)?
[15:05] <egrouse> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[15:05] <egrouse> for cpu
[15:05] <egrouse> i know that one
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[15:06] <dero> k
[15:06] <dero> show 700
[15:07] <arcanescu> this post was made by emmanuel touzery : https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/32 ... this issue still presists and im getting the same stack....
[15:07] <arcanescu> not sure why this issue was closed as it still exists
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[15:09] <arcanescu> rm: cannot remove `.libs/bufferevent.o': Read-only file system .... im getting this from a program compilation
[15:09] <arcanescu> how do i allow? im already root
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[15:09] <dero> your SD fs is corrupted
[15:09] <dero> check /var/log/kern.log
[15:09] <ShiftPlusOne> check dmesg
[15:09] <dero> it should show the reason
[15:10] <arcanescu> woooho mmcblo0p2
[15:10] <arcanescu> errors fs it is
[15:10] <dero> can you please do
[15:10] <dero> grep mmc /var/log/kern.log
[15:10] <dero> ?
[15:10] <dero> and pastebin the result?
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[15:13] <arcanescu> well it is a fs corruption. I just plugged it in my sd reader it wont read
[15:13] <arcanescu> this is the second time this week
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[15:16] <dero> well, your Pi is still booting?
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[15:38] <arcanescu> +dero: now it is
[15:38] <arcanescu> after fsck
[15:38] <dero> do you still have access to the /var/log/kern.log ???
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[15:38] <dero> I would like to have it ;)
[15:42] <ShiftPlusOne> it might be kern.log.(some number) now.
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[15:53] <akSeya> hello folks :)
[15:53] <akSeya> guys, raspi is unavailable in newark.com does anyone knows where can I buy 2 pieces in US?
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[15:55] <frogman1984> One question guys... I my office we are going to ask for a keyboard for de RB, we are behind getting the K400 of logitech, to control the RB from the sofa.. :-) any known problem?
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[15:58] <frikinz> With raspbian, fsck is launched on boot right? so these corruptions happen while running? I wonder if these problem also appear with ext4 (there were quite some problems found on ext4 lately)
[15:58] <frikinz> with ext3 I meant
[15:58] <dero> it's using ext4, isn't it?
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[15:59] <frikinz> arcanescu: you're running raspbian with ext4 right?
[16:00] <dero> well, the "problems" found with ext4 lately were very very cornerly cases
[16:00] <frikinz> agreed yes
[16:00] <frikinz> some really specific "strange" cases :)
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[16:02] <dero> but, if arcanescu would share his log, we would know more...
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[16:08] <frikinz> Or having a bugzilla.. (just discovering since a few days the pi ecosystem, so it might exist)
[16:08] <frikinz> Well, (un)fortunatly i did not encounter such corruption to share :)
[16:09] <frikinz> but I remember when I was developping for nokia n800 we had plenty and it turned out to be linked to a kernel "bug" or misinterpretation
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[16:10] <dero> I found some way to attack SD corruption in the driver's code, but I am yet unable to replicate SD corruption in a reliable way
[16:10] <dero> just mocking up problems is not enough
[16:11] <arcanescu> aaah sorry about this ive been away from the console
[16:11] <arcanescu> ill paste the log
[16:11] <arcanescu> im running another sd trying to configure something for my freind
[16:12] <arcanescu> it is using ext4
[16:13] <dero> the point is: ext4 should be stable enough to handle write errors (if they are detected)
[16:13] <dero> otherwise, the whole journaling thing would make no sense, ey?
[16:13] <jelly1> ext4 is pretty stable
[16:14] <dero> right, so I think either there are problems which are not detected by the driver OR there are problems detected, but handled incorrectly
[16:14] <dero> (or both...)
[16:14] <axion> nilfs2 ftw
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[16:16] <dero> well, any FS will fail IF the driver doesn't handle/detect write failures
[16:17] <axion> right, 'swhy i do not use SD other than vfat boot
[16:17] <dero> you're pretty smart
[16:18] <axion> overclocking mmc in the slightest amount is a guaranteed way to corrupt any SD of mine
[16:18] <dero> how can I overclock mmc?
[16:18] <axion> but, not overclocking is a guaranteed way to corupt an SD of mine over a span of a month. been through 4 of them before i put root on a 2.5" hdd
[16:18] <axion> dero: config.txt
[16:19] <dero> what setting?
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[16:19] <DeliriumTremens> I've never corrupted an SD
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[16:20] <axion> init_emmc_clock i think
[16:20] <dero> sure?
[16:20] <axion> yes
[16:20] <dero> like this init_emmc_clock=200000000
[16:20] <dero> or more?
[16:21] <axion> its been about 6 months...idk what i used
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[16:23] <dero> hm, doesn't help
[16:24] <axion> ext4 is easy to corrupt on a SD without it even. just write a stream and unpower before the buffer syncs
[16:24] <axion> after fs repair, it is still corrupt everytime
[16:25] <dero> should not happen
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[16:25] <dero> ext4 MUST survive unpowering
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[16:25] <axion> it shouldnt but it does
[16:25] <axion> 100% of the time at that
[16:26] <dero> what is journaling then for in ext4?
[16:27] <axion> i agree, but i never had a corrupted ext4 on any other device.
[16:27] <axion> just the rpi/sd
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[16:27] <dero> yes, because there are bugs in the driver???
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[16:28] <axion> ding ding
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[16:28] <dero> catch22
[16:30] <frikinz> Couldn't this new crc feature also add some more verification?
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[16:31] <dero> axion, you said, you got corruption by just unpowering? did you see anything in the logs?
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[16:32] <axion> no, logs were empty. unpon boot it cannot even mount the fs with a damaged superblock, then repairing allows mounting, but almost every file is corrupt
[16:33] <dero> hm
[16:33] <frikinz> wow, that's really not normal..
[16:33] <dero> I thought about building a safety net into the SD driver that actually verifies every write
[16:33] <axion> it is pretty normal over here...as mentioned i am on my 5th SD (but for 3 months now due to rootfs on hdd)
[16:34] <dero> but, I discared that idea and focus on looking for bugs in handling of errors
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> <dero> ext4 MUST survive unpowering ??? I've power cycles servers in the past and while they have survived in that the file systems were recoverable, it's not been without issues on one or 2 occasions...
[16:35] <frogman1984> One question guys... I my office we are going to ask for a keyboard for de RB, we are behind getting the K400 of logitech, to control the RB from the sofa.. :-) any known problem?
[16:35] <axion> do not get a kb with mm keys, usb ports, speakers, etc
[16:35] <axion> keep it under 140mA if poss :)
[16:36] <dero> do you want a remote or a keyboard?
[16:36] <dero> remote -> FLIRC
[16:36] <dero> http://flirc.tv/
[16:37] <frikinz> dero: you could get some info of other old corruption there: http://www.google.fr/search?q=maemo+sd+corruption
[16:38] <frikinz> metadata checksums: https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums (linux 3.6+)
[16:39] <dero> all that doesn't help if the driver lies
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[16:47] <frogman1984> thanks. +axion
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[16:53] <dero> does "keep it under 140mA" still apply with Rev2?
[16:53] <dero> I thought it passes the current through?
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> CESIL Program to generate primes: http://unicorn.drogon.net/primes.csl
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> and the output: http://unicorn.drogon.net/primes.png
[17:52] <shiftplusone> CESIL? Why does it just look like assembly? O_o
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> "Cesil, or Computer Education in Schools Instruction Language, was a programming language designed to introduce pupils in British schools to Assembler."
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[17:53] <shiftplusone> ...Ah
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's a crappy old assembly sort of thing...
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> I wrote the cesil interpreter in basic.
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[17:58] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I've seen you mention that before. Just had no idea what CESIL looked like.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> neither had I until a few days ago :)
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[17:59] <shiftplusone> Is your basic also interpreted or compiled?
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> it's tokenised and interpreted.
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> so it's sort-of compiled into some sort of funky 16-bit 'machine' ...
[18:00] <shiftplusone> Using something like yacc?
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> no, using some hand-written C.
[18:01] <shiftplusone> ah nice
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> which I had to admit is slightly sub-optimal, but it mostly works.
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[18:01] <shiftplusone> Currently learning how compilers work, so just curious a bit curious.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> I wish I knew ...
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[18:02] <gordonDrogon> this was a 'how hard can it be' type of personal challenge last xmas... I had the bulk of it written by Januart.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> January*
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> other things sort of took over, but I've spent some free time recently working on it to make it more presentable and stuck it up under git...
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> writing hte cesil interpreter was educational as it's found a few little bugs!
[18:03] <shiftplusone> Think I'll have a go at a basic compiler after I get through this https://www.coursera.org/course/compilers
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> and I've also found that it's a shade harder for newbies to install on their Pi's than I thought.
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon> intersting. is it free?
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[18:05] <shiftplusone> yeah
[18:05] <shiftplusone> all of the coursera courses are free
[18:05] <anildigital> Did anybody install siri proxy on raspberry pi?
[18:05] <shiftplusone> but most run as an actual course with deadlines. This one has a self-study mode so you can go at your own pace and have all the resources available at the start.
[18:06] <peluke> anildigital: ooh I was thinking of that the other day.
[18:06] * gordonDrogon nods.
[18:06] <anildigital> peluke: did you know anyone succeeded?
[18:06] <peluke> anildigital: I forgot about that idea and thus not dug around
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[18:07] <anildigital> trying this now
[18:07] <anildigital> https://gist.github.com/1428474
[18:07] <peluke> anildigital: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9545
[18:08] <anildigital> peluke: thanks
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[18:10] <[SLB]> also udacity.com classes
[18:11] <shiftplusone> [SLB], bookmarked, thanks.
[18:11] <[SLB]> :)
[18:11] <peluke> https://gist.github.com/1428474
[18:11] <peluke> err
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[18:13] <Datalink> Siri proxi?
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[18:14] <peluke> Datalink: pretty much what you think it is; allows you to use SIri on your home nextwork and perform addtional requests
[18:14] <anildigital> Datalink: yes
[18:14] <anildigital> anyone siri proxied here?
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[18:15] <Datalink> ah, no Siri capable apple devices
[18:17] <pecorade> Hi.
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[18:21] <gordonDrogon> well that was intersting. just had a flash downpour - worst I've seen here. river running down the road.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> and my neighbours back door flooding.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> I'd actually botherd to clear my drains earlier and heeded the warnings...
[18:22] <egrouse> uk?
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[18:25] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/road-river.jpg
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> yea, UK, Devon.
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> I live in the 2nd wettest town in Devon... we drain well, so now, 15 minutes after, everything has drained away.
[18:26] <egrouse> aye
[18:26] <egrouse> just started raining here
[18:26] <egrouse> up in leeds
[18:26] <nid0> windy as hell in norfolk, but dry atm
[18:27] <shiftplusone> Those are some tiny looking houses
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> they typically go back a fair way
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> and often up too.
[18:28] <shiftplusone> Yeah, they're like that here too as you get closer to the city.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> yes, there 3-4 storeys, not that deep though.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> Our house is one of he big ones in the street - only 2 storys but as tall as the 3-story one over the road. (Georgian town house)
[18:29] <shiftplusone> ah, fair enough
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> tall = hard to heat )-:
[18:30] <shiftplusone> Fancy looking street too (compared to ours)
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> it's an old town in Devon.
[18:31] <shiftplusone> it shows (in a good way)
[18:31] <anildigital> Failed to fetch http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/cpp_4.6.3-7_armhf.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 89.16.177.90 80] .. anybody?
[18:32] <shiftplusone> did you 'apt-get reload' first?
[18:32] <anildigital> shiftplusone: did apt-get update
[18:33] <shiftplusone> ah my mistake. then yeah no idea.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=tq11+0bt&hl=en&ll=50.481528,-3.776743&spn=0.010841,0.014441&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=10.495289,14.787598&t=h&hnear=Buckfastleigh+TQ11+0BT,+United+Kingdom&z=16&layer=c&cbll=50.481526,-3.776581&panoid=1RVmmPHNDeIsUhFRXzalRQ&cbp=12,264.78,,0,12.97
[18:33] <shiftplusone> cpp_4.6.3-8_armhf.deb is what you're really after
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> woops- didn't realise the url was that long!
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> but my house is the one on the left with the scaffolding
[18:34] <shiftplusone> heh, probably not a good idea to post where you live like that
[18:35] <shiftplusone> Really nice looking area. Makes me want to go travel Europe for a bit.
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> My address is public knowledge.
[18:35] * egrouse letterbombs
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> e.g. do a whois on my domain...
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[18:37] <artag> ah, the notorious tonic wine
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[18:40] <scummos> how would you connect the two sides of a PCB board with each other?
[18:40] <scummos> in a "good" way
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[18:41] <shiftplusone> Etching yourself or what?
[18:41] <scummos> yes
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> scummos: electroless deposition, followed by plating the whole board.
[18:42] <scummos> "electroless deposition"?
[18:42] <scummos> what does that mean?
[18:43] <peluke> electrolysis ?
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> scummos, normally you'd have a via - a hole in the copper on the top and bottom, then olde-fashioned ways would be to put a pin through and solder top & bottom.
[18:43] <scummos> gordonDrogon: yep, I already have some vias -- but I'd like to connect the ground plane at the sides of the board, for good HF behaviour
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> copper foil and a BIG soldering iron?
[18:44] <scummos> heh ;)
[18:44] <scummos> yes, probably
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> scrape off the solder resist, etc.
[18:44] <scummos> I did consider taping a wire there and then soldering it to both sides
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[18:46] <scummos> I didn't understand how that electrolysis thing should work tough
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[18:47] <SpeedEvil> scummos: a solution is made up with an excess of copper ions.
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> scummos: this is deposited on every surface of an inserted PCB, including the drill holes
[18:47] <scummos> so those will really stick to the epoxy parts?
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> the above is how PCBs are made
[18:50] <scummos> cool
[18:50] <scummos> oh
[18:50] <scummos> ;)
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> in practice
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> 2 layer PCBs are now so cheap, to do any 2 layer process at home is generally insane
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[18:51] <scummos> what would be a suitable solution? "can I use my used-up natrium persulfate + copper solution"? probably not?
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> no
[18:51] <scummos> ok
[18:51] <scummos> hm, but it has the advantage of being fast
[18:51] <scummos> I can just... do it
[18:51] <scummos> I don't have to wait for it to be made
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> well...
[18:52] <SpeedEvil> you take several hours at best to make a board, with probably 20 different steps.
[18:53] <scummos> nah, now I know how it's done, I think I can do it in ~45 mins
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> versus click and do something else for a couple of days
[18:53] <scummos> yes, but... couple of days
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> you can't.
[18:53] <scummos> it's quite a lot of time
[18:53] <scummos> why not?
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[18:53] <SpeedEvil> professional board houses take longer than that per cycle
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> monitoring the plating baths is nasty
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> and the other problem is consistency.
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> if you are doing ten boards a day, you can probably get a process down,
[18:54] <scummos> there's no doubt that having them made by a professional is... more professional ;P
[18:55] <scummos> but for quick prototyping I find it clearly preferable to do it myself
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> leave it for a couple of weeks, and the chances go way down
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> if you legitimately have absolutely nothing else to do, maybe.
[18:56] <scummos> see, it just adds an extra week of wait time to every design -> build -> test cycle
[18:56] <scummos> which I find sort of deadly for my kind of workflow
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> I'd like to make pcb's at home - just for the cost of rapid prototyping if nothing else...
[18:57] <scummos> making it yourself just requires you to have, say, two days of time *now*
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> one layer is easy
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> and reasonable to DIY.
[18:57] <scummos> getting it made requires one day now and one day in a week, which is something I more rarely have
[18:58] <scummos> well what I have is basically one-layer
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> scummos: also, what's your budget, and desired performance!
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> ?
[18:58] <scummos> it's "two-layer with a ground plane"
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[18:58] <scummos> "as good as possible" & "as cheap as possible", of course ;)
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> for that, you don't need proper through hole
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> you just don't etch one side, then drill holes and solder.
[18:59] <scummos> yes, I just put some wires through the vias and soldered them on both sides
[18:59] <scummos> yes, that's what I did
[18:59] <scummos> but I want the two sides well connected
[18:59] <lochlite> Hello. Has anybody here a good solution for cross-compiling for the pi on osx?
[18:59] <scummos> (the back side should be ground)
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> scummos: oh. this is the wrong channel
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> ask on ##electronics
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> I thought that was this one,
[19:00] <SpeedEvil> maybe someone will have tried
[19:00] <scummos> haha alright
[19:00] <scummos> I'll try the wire solution, maybe it turns out to work okay
[19:01] <SpeedEvil> I've looked into it in the past, and not found a nice solution for it.
[19:01] <scummos> okay :(
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[19:03] <anildigital> how is this https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[19:03] <shiftplusone> popular
[19:04] <shiftplusone> I don't quite see the point myself.
[19:05] <peluke> //github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[19:05] <peluke> gah
[19:05] <peluke> so unused to putty's paste
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[19:05] <anildigital> shiftplusone: popular for what.. what does it do to your raspberry special
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[19:05] <shiftplusone> anildigital, afaik it just pulls in the latest firmware, drivers and kernel
[19:05] <shiftplusone> Which your OS should do anyway.
[19:06] <anildigital> shiftplusone: I am getting error 404 not found for installing build-essential https://gist.github.com/4bc9cac9db8618d918fa
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[19:06] <anildigital> shiftplusone: do you know any solution for this?
[19:06] <raggi> apt-get update
[19:06] <scummos> yes, whenever you get 404s from apt, run an update
[19:06] <anildigital> raggi: done that
[19:07] <anildigital> raggi: nice to see you hanging in this channel
[19:07] <shiftplusone> either you didn't update properly ^. Or it's a problem on their end.
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[19:07] <shiftplusone> Because it's trying to install a version that they just don't have in their repo
[19:07] <shiftplusone> the one they do have is newer
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[19:07] <anildigital> shiftplusone: it looks like problem on their end as google is coming with couple issues same ip
[19:07] <anildigital> shiftplusone: any simple fix?
[19:08] <shiftplusone> arch linux =p
[19:08] <anildigital> shiftplusone: :(
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[19:08] <anildigital> shiftplusone: i haven't set my other rpi yet..
[19:08] <shiftplusone> you can find the version it's trying to download and store i locally
[19:08] <shiftplusone> so then it doesn't try to download it
[19:09] <anildigital> shiftplusone: you are right.. apt-get update was stuck at 100% so I did press ctrl + c
[19:09] <shiftplusone> http://au.hylafax.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/
[19:09] <anildigital> don't know why it was stuck
[19:09] <shiftplusone> ah, well there you go.
[19:09] <anildigital> shiftplusone: trying again
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[19:15] <anildigital> shiftplusone: it gets stuck at 100% [2 Packages bzip2 0 B]
[19:15] <anildigital> not sure why..
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[19:16] <anildigital> omg it went forward..
[19:16] <anildigital> Reading package lists... 14%
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[19:30] <arcanescu> is there a libevent 2.0 port?
[19:30] <arcanescu> to rpi ?
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[19:52] <arcanescu> im getting this on compiling libevent2 ... http://pastebin.com/t7HM566Z not sure how to fix this
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[20:07] <Hexxeh> it's looking very much like we'll see accelerated X released very soon
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[20:08] <arcanescu> the current X sux
[20:09] <Hoerie> <+Hexxeh> it's looking very much like we'll see accelerated X released very soon <-- nice
[20:10] <Hexxeh> i should mention I have absolutely nothing to do with that work, I'm just watching what's happening
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> any idea how things like SDL will work under it?
[20:12] <Hexxeh> depends how they're doing their rendering really
[20:12] <Hexxeh> i'll take a look at the SDL source
[20:12] * rikkib confronted RS about their failure to supply yesterday. I own two Rel 1 boards but two more ordered at the same time have not been supplied (Order 7th month). I contacted Element 14. They can supply out of Singapore immediately.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> memcpy into the framebuffer by all accounts...
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[20:13] <rikkib> RS EAT end of December
[20:13] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: unlikely to see too much benefit then as far as I know
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[20:13] <Hexxeh> there was an interesting set of patches for SDL that added XRender support, might see some benefit using those?
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[20:16] <Megaf> Hi folks, how to speed up X11 performance on raspbian?
[20:17] <Megaf> raspbmc is much snappier
[20:17] <Hexxeh> amazingly I think we'll actually see MORE of these questions once said drivers are released
[20:17] <Hexxeh> they're not the golden bullet most people think they are
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> actually, not that fussed for now. it's only for my basic..
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> which I've just found a big memory leak in too. ho hum!
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> the sort of thing you often overlook on a desktop as, well who notices if your program grows to 600MB...
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> until you're on a Pi ..
[20:19] <Hexxeh> yup
[20:19] <Hexxeh> though that 512MB bump has helped a LOT.
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't help me - I don't have any..
[20:20] <Hexxeh> it's still the relatively weedy (compared to what people are used to) CPU that's holding things down
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> although maybe I ought to get one, just to make sure wiringPi, etc. works OK on it.
[20:20] <Megaf> <Hexxeh> it's looking very much like we'll see accelerated X released very soon
[20:20] <Hexxeh> i have a bundle of spares lying around here i don't really have uses for
[20:20] <Megaf> hm, so the X server isnt accelerated yet
[20:20] <Hexxeh> i just decided to buy a few for no real reason
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if it's possible to get the GPU to run memcpy...
[20:21] <Hexxeh> perhaps christmas gifts...
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> as I presume it can shift the RAM faster than the ARM can.
[20:21] <Hexxeh> there's DMA
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> can it dma ram to ram?
[20:21] <Hexxeh> yeah it can make copies much faster
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> wonder how much effort it might take - I guess in the kernel which is a place I've never really ventured...
[20:22] <Hexxeh> module went into the standard firmware yesterday to allow access to it
[20:23] <Hexxeh> https://github.com/simonjhall/dma
[20:23] <Hexxeh> that might not be up to date though
[20:23] <rikkib> 34 deg C on the window where the sensor is located. Direct sunlight 8:30am
[20:24] <rikkib> Inside 23 deg C
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> that's the same chap who's already re-written memcpy?
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[20:27] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: yeah, teh_orph
[20:27] <Hexxeh> same guy doing the X11 stuff
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> ok. neat.
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> there's hope yet :)
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[20:30] <scummos> what's the best data transfer rate you achived with the rpi SPI controller, in bytes per second?
[20:30] <scummos> and how?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> um. you can clock it at 32MHz
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> but there is a lot of latency in the kernel, and (worse) it does a form of clock stretching between bytes.
[20:32] <scummos> yeah, I'm noticing :(
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> which doesn't appear to have any issues on the hardware I've tried.
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> it's about 2 or 3 clock cycles
[20:33] <scummos> yep, we discussed the pauses between bytes a while back :)
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> so total clock + data cycles are fine, they're just a bit more than they ought to be.
[20:33] * gordonDrogon nods.
[20:33] <scummos> I had a part which didn't wok, in case you remember
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> have you been looking on a scope?
[20:33] <scummos> the problem turned out to be totally different
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> a-ha..
[20:33] <scummos> adding 200pF condensators to the SPI lines next to the chip solved it ;)
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> condensators.... I hope you formed a challen for the moisture condensing out of them ;-)
[20:34] <scummos> oh, sorry ;)
[20:34] <scummos> in german, the word is "Kondensator"
[20:34] <scummos> I meant capacitors, of course
[20:35] <scummos> I have a 100 ksps 16 bit ADC here, and it turns out to be very difficult to use it at that speed... I only get about 10.000 values per second
[20:36] <adb> 'it condensing the electricity' ..
[20:36] <rikkib> I have had a look at the kernel spi driver. It is only 8 bit.
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[20:36] <scummos> adb: yup!
[20:36] <rikkib> The arm spi module is capable of 16 bit
[20:36] <scummos> rikkib: yes, that's fine, it just transfers three bytes
[20:36] <adb> ;)
[20:37] <scummos> (three bytes per cycle)
[20:37] <rikkib> The buffer is 32 bits from memory
[20:38] <rikkib> Bust mode is 32 bits in two 16 bit transfers
[20:38] <dero> guys, does anyone remember when latest SD corrpution bugs in kernel were fixed?
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[20:38] <scummos> rikkib: so, what does one learn from that?
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> dero, can't you just check the git logs?
[20:39] <rikkib> The driver is far from optimum
[20:39] <dero> good idea
[20:40] <scummos> rikkib: I'm noticing ;)
[20:40] <rikkib> If one connects something like a stm32v board the link can not run at full speed
[20:40] <scummos> I'll have a look at it
[20:40] <scummos> what's a stm32v?
[20:40] <rikkib> arm11 Mortex M3
[20:40] <scummos> rikkib: do you think one could improve the driver to have less delays with moderate effort, or is it going to be difficult?
[20:40] <rikkib> Cortex
[20:40] <scummos> that doesn't really tell me more *g
[20:41] <rikkib> Yes but with conditions
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[20:41] <rikkib> Talking to another arm could benefit from full 16 bit trqansferes
[20:41] <scummos> the controller supports that?
[20:41] <rikkib> 32 bit at a time clock stretching to hold transfers
[20:42] <rikkib> next transfer is then almost constant
[20:42] <scummos> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're talking about
[20:42] <rikkib> In otherwords the spi is cintunious
[20:43] <rikkib> continuous
[20:43] <rikkib> clock
[20:43] <scummos> it currently is not, is it?
[20:43] <rikkib> No
[20:43] <rikkib> stops after each transfer
[20:43] <scummos> it just transfers a number of bytes and then there's a huge pause
[20:44] <scummos> does the ioctl() add overhead?
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[20:45] <rikkib> Each transaction is separate with the bcm driver
[20:45] <scummos> yes
[20:45] <scummos> but where do you think is the main bottleneck?
[20:45] <rikkib> The driver does it the most basic way
[20:46] <rikkib> To improve a 16 bit mode is needed
[20:46] <scummos> won't that give like, a factor of 2 only?
[20:47] <rikkib> The arm spi on the RPi is slightly different in that it has a fifo
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[20:48] <rikkib> You can load and send interupt dma driven
[20:48] <scummos> hm, but what does this have to do with the 16 bit mode?
[20:48] <dero> I am just curious, but why would SPI be much faster than current SDHCI implementation?
[20:48] <scummos> huh, what does this have to do with anything now? ;)
[20:49] <rikkib> If next byte is available all the time the spi with keep the clock going and next bit on next clock (stretched)
[20:49] <scummos> rikkib: will it toggle CS when doing that?
[20:49] <rikkib> arm cortax has settings to hadle this type of fast spi transfer
[20:50] <rikkib> No CS toggles but as I said other arm spi modules can handle this
[20:50] <scummos> what do you mean by "other arm SPI modules"?
[20:51] <rikkib> In conjunction with clock stretching. One needs to read the data sheets for both arm cpu's
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[20:51] <gosydelix> shiftplusone:
[20:51] <gosydelix> u there?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> gosydelix, yup
[20:51] <gosydelix> sweet
[20:51] <gosydelix> pm?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> ok
[20:51] <rikkib> rpi arm6 stm32v arm11
[20:51] <_av500_> s3cr3ts
[20:52] <scummos> rikkib: I don't know what you want to do but I want to do something else which does not involve two ARM processors ;)
[20:52] <dero> okay, guys, I thought your were talking about using SPI to talk to SD cards... instead of using the controller
[20:52] <scummos> no
[20:53] <scummos> I'm talking about using SPI to talk to a high-speed ADC
[20:53] <rikkib> I am pointing out that other arm processors can run faster... Others may have similar facility to handle the little quirks
[20:53] <scummos> okay
[20:53] <rikkib> Those quirks effect you badly
[20:54] <dero> ok
[20:54] <scummos> rikkib: do you think it would be possible to significantly improve SPI performance on the pi?
[20:55] <rikkib> In most cases no... In cases such as pointed out, yes
[20:55] <scummos> ok
[20:56] <scummos> so in my case, it's sort of bad luck?
[20:57] <rikkib> The RPi has 16 bit fifo
[20:57] <rikkib> on the spi
[20:57] <rikkib> 4 x 16 bits
[20:58] <rikkib> The driver olny uses 8 bits
[20:58] <scummos> what does 4x16 bits mean in that case?
[20:58] <scummos> 4 buffers?
[20:59] <rikkib> Hmmm trying to remember all the stuff
[20:59] <rikkib> I probably need to have the data sheets in front of me
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[21:01] <rikkib> There is a way of loading one part of the buffer while the other part of the buffer is being sent odd and even sort of mechanism
[21:02] <rikkib> But what I am interested in is the full on way arm to arm is able to work
[21:02] <scummos> that sounds good
[21:02] <scummos> does the current driver use interrupts? looks more like busy waiting
[21:04] <rikkib> Transaction is completed with interrupt from memory
[21:04] <rikkib> No dma
[21:05] <scummos> ok
[21:05] <rikkib> It loads the fifo sets the spi adrift sends and then waits of a byte to be recieved
[21:05] <scummos> could busy waiting instead of using the (quite long) delays help?
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[21:05] <rikkib> for a byte
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[21:05] <scummos> for a byte?
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[21:06] <rikkib> waits for a byte to be received
[21:06] <Armand> I need to get a byte... to eat.. -_-
[21:07] <rikkib> I suggest you become familiar with the bcm spi driver
[21:07] <scummos> I'm trying to ;)
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[21:08] <dero> q: do I need to have package cpufreqd installed to have dynamic overclocking?
[21:08] <rikkib> If your spi can handle 16 bit transfers at a time you will double your speed just like that
[21:09] <rikkib> burst mode for the for the RPi spi module can do 32 bits per transfer
[21:09] <scummos> yes but I need more like a factor 10 ;)
[21:10] <scummos> also if I need to transfer two 16 bit words, then I add further overhead, since I only need to receive 24 bits
[21:12] <rikkib> 200pf on the bus will have an effect of speed
[21:12] <rikkib> on
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[21:13] <rikkib> again from memory max is 400pf and that will slow you down quite a bit.
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[21:15] <gordonDrogon> what I don't get is that there is a FIFO, so if you stuff 4 bytes in the FIFO, then why are the transmitted as 4 bytes (with a gap/stretched clock) rather than just a 32 bit stream...
[21:15] <scummos> rikkib: sorry? you mean, it limits the frequency?
[21:16] <rikkib> yep
[21:16] <rikkib> and distance
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> I never id work out the point of 16/32 bits transfers over SPI...
[21:16] <rikkib> bus capacitance
[21:17] <scummos> but won't it just... not work if the frequency is too high?
[21:17] <rikkib> distance gordon
[21:17] <rikkib> error correction
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[21:18] <rikkib> 16 bit data 16 bit crc
[21:18] <rikkib> 32 bits
[21:18] <scummos> wait, SPI has error correction?
[21:18] <rikkib> think hdlc
[21:18] <rikkib> crc checking
[21:18] <rikkib> arm11 has built in crc
[21:19] <scummos> SPI transfers checksums? noo...
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[21:19] <rikkib> on spi
[21:19] <scummos> yeah you can do it but
[21:19] <scummos> my ADC does not
[21:19] <rikkib> Different purpose like spi across a factory
[21:19] <scummos> of course you can do checksums but it's not part of the protocol
[21:19] <rikkib> a wrong bit = broken router bit
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> SPI is nothing more than an unstructured bit-stream.
[21:20] <scummos> there is no router bits on SPI
[21:20] <scummos> are you talking about i2c?
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> if you want to put a protocol/crc on it, then that's up to the person doing it.
[21:20] <rikkib> route as in mechanical
[21:20] <scummos> SPI does routing via chipselect, which is a seperate pin
[21:20] <Lobs> dero: Hi!, did you get the link to that second video i sent the other day?
[21:20] <rikkib> of destroy sheet of stainless
[21:20] <rikkib> or
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> you really woudn't use SPI or I2C across a factory...
[21:22] <scummos> so again, is the bottleneck the hardware communication between the processor and the SPI controller, or the time it takes to execute the driver control code?
[21:23] <scummos> would it e.g. help to call bc2835_spi_transfer directly, from another kernel driver?
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> my supicion is that the peripherals on the SoC are somewhat "sub optimal" in places - ie. good enough for a set top box, but ...
[21:24] <scummos> quite possible :(
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[21:25] <rikkib> High speed adc is normally the domain of dsp
[21:25] <scummos> 30kB/s is not exactly high-speed ;)
[21:25] <scummos> well it would need a data rate of 300kB/s
[21:25] <scummos> I tought that would still be possible without a special FPGA board or whatever
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> what is it you're trying to sample?
[21:26] <scummos> in the end, output of an AD8302 phase comparator, probably, but currently just random stuff for testing pruposes.
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[21:26] <scummos> *purposes
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> ok
[21:27] <scummos> (the AD8302 costs about as much as the pi :D)
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> Yea, maybe the Pi isn't the best thing for that sort of stuff
[21:27] <scummos> yep
[21:27] <scummos> but it would be terribly convenient ;)
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[21:28] <scummos> guess I'll have to buy something realtime-capable sooner or later
[21:29] <scummos> but for testing, the pi is just soo nice...
[21:30] <rikkib> Olimex H103 board and use 8 bit parallel to RPi
[21:31] <rikkib> hook your ad8302 to the olimex
[21:31] <scummos> the pi looks so pretty when LAN is on, can I use the LEDs for something else? :D
[21:31] <scummos> okay
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> I think even an 8bit parallel might struggle - reading the GPIO in 8-bit mode is challenging.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> scummos, you can use the 'OK' led...
[21:32] <scummos> ah, you mean, use the GPIOs in parallel... good idea
[21:32] <scummos> but I sort of need them for controlling some switches
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> yes, you need to do some bit shuffling though - they're not consecutive...
[21:32] <scummos> yes ;(
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[21:32] <gordonDrogon> Rev 2 has 4 more GPIOs..
[21:32] <scummos> but I still hope we will get a working realtime kernel one day
[21:32] <scummos> ya, I could also get a MUX for the switches
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> even then - they are factors that'll stop you - I understand the GPU controls the memory refresh, etc.
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[21:33] <scummos> yes, but from what I understood given that the firmware was released, there might be hope to disable the GPU completely or similar?
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> you might get millisecond repeatability, but microsecond or better? not sure...
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> it's dram - it needs to be refreshed...
[21:34] <scummos> oh, and that needs CPU cycles?
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> needs memory cycles
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> which normally would stall a cpu.
[21:34] <scummos> hm right
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> not much, but I don't know how the memory is engineered.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of work on dram memory many years ago - we were experimenting with getting the cpu to do the refersh rather then external hardware....
[21:35] <scummos> but if you knew when they happened, you could time your memory access to not happen at that times, no?
[21:35] <scummos> I mean, most of the time you aren't actually accessing memory
[21:35] <scummos> okay
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> sure - if you knew the details then you'd know the timing intervals and could compensate, but reading through the things on the forum a while back about the logic analyser project I'm not sure they found a satisfactory soution.
[21:37] <scummos> which is related to the processor design not being fully open-sourced, or rather not?
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> it's the gpu really - it controls all the hardware -the arm is just tacked on the side..
[21:37] <scummos> uh, okay
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> so maybe something that can do the high-speed sampling for you, buffer it up, then feed it into the pi drip by drip..
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[21:38] <scummos> yep
[21:39] <scummos> well, fortunately, the high-speed sampling is just "nice to have". it's not absolutely mandatory for my project.
[21:39] <scummos> so I'll just build it with what I have, and when the rest works I can still add high-speed sampling
[21:39] <scummos> there's really enough other things which probably will not work easily ;)
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[22:11] <maicod> I'm ordering a 512MB Pi and now I read that a powered hub should not give more than 2.5A in fault conditions but I already got a 3000ma=3A Hub. Its on then verifified pheripherals list. Is it dangerous to use on the new 512MB Pi ?
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> probably not.
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> no-one sticks to the standard anyway.
[22:14] <maicod> you mean its not really giving 3A ?
[22:15] <tpaulus> the Pi will draw as much amperage as it needs
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[22:15] <maicod> tpaulus it says 'in fault conditions' don't know what they mean with that
[22:15] <maicod> "It is now possible to reliably power the RPI from a USB hub that back feeds power, but it is important that the chosen hub cannot supply more than 2.5A under fault conditions."
[22:16] <maicod> maybe this only is when using the USB connecting back to the micro usb to power the Pi ?
[22:16] <maicod> I'm not planning to run my Pi off the Hub
[22:16] <tpaulus> maicod, I believe that a fault condition is when you short it out
[22:16] <maicod> ok
[22:16] <tpaulus> the 2.5 applies to the hub power right?
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[22:17] <maicod> tpaulus: I'm extremely careful using my new Pi once its arrived since my first 2 (first generation) Pi's both have faults
[22:17] <maicod> not my fault btw
[22:17] <maicod> it just says the HUB should not give more than 2.5A to the Pi I think
[22:18] <maicod> so maybe its only when I would use the HUB to power my Pi
[22:18] <shiftplusone> The hub shouldn't give anything to pi... O_o
[22:18] <maicod> some people do that
[22:18] <tpaulus> maicod, the pi needs about an amp, so you can use an average cell power supply which dumps out an amp, but the powered hum, should not have more then 2.5 amps, else the pi might get damaged. That is at least what i understand maicod
[22:18] <shiftplusone> and pi wouldn't draw anywhere near that int he first place
[22:18] <tpaulus> *hub
[22:18] <tpaulus> exactally
[22:19] <maicod> tpaulus: there's 2 situations and you seem to mix them up
[22:19] <maicod> one situation: use a power supply for the micro usb port
[22:19] <tpaulus> the pi draws 1 amp ish
[22:19] <maicod> 2nd situation: use a hub (with its own power supply) to connect one of its usb outputs to the micro usb to power the Pi
[22:19] <tpaulus> it should have no problem with a little more
[22:20] <Lobs> the amp rating will be so if a fault happens on the hub (I.E a short or exceess power draw) the power draw through the pi to the hub wont be too high, or else the pi will burn out components.
[22:20] <maicod> well they say it shouldnt be able to give more than 2.5A
[22:20] <tpaulus> I would not try option 2, but it is possible, and that is where the 2.5 comes in
[22:20] <Lobs> if the hub has it's own power supply and does not draw from the pi, you could do whatever you want it should be fine.
[22:21] <maicod> tpaulus: ah right so me who doesnt use that option will not have trouble with the HUB cause its not powering the Pi huh
[22:21] <Hexxeh> i really need to stop buying Pi... http://cl.ly/L59V
[22:21] <tpaulus> Exactly maicod
[22:21] <maicod> but say my power supply is turned off (the one on the micro usb) won't the hub direct current inside the USB sockets ?
[22:22] <maicod> HUB to the large USB connector
[22:22] <maicod> current traveling that way
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[22:22] <tpaulus> I don't think it will do that maicod
[22:22] <maicod> LOL Hexxeh
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, Hehe...
[22:22] <tpaulus> Hexxeh, i think you have a pi problem
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[22:22] <Hexxeh> yeah
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> maicod, yes it will - if it's a cheap one - which most are - mine does.
[22:23] <maicod> hexxeh/gordon the Pi won't accept power from a powered Hub if its connected to one of the 2 large USB connectors ?
[22:23] <shiftplusone> Lobs, not sure that makes sense. Given the fuse on the input, how could an unpowered hub fry a pi?
[22:23] <Hexxeh> there's another couple of boxes downstairs...
[22:23] <maicod> oh :(
[22:23] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[22:23] <Lobs> shiftplusone: if can draw too much power from the pi's usb port.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, the blue audio jacks? that's new ... all mine are black..
[22:23] <maicod> gordonDrogon: but since my HUBS psu is 3A it could possible send 3A over the USB connector when the micro usb is not getting any power ?
[22:23] <Hexxeh> yeah, they changed colour when they moved production to the UK i think
[22:23] <Hexxeh> different supplier
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[22:24] <tpaulus> The fuse will blow maicod
[22:24] <Hexxeh> i think i have a full set here actually minus alpha/beta
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> maicod, the Pi will only talk as much current as it needs - unless there is a fault.
[22:24] <maicod> I thought they removed those fuses :)
[22:24] <shiftplusone> Lobs, yet the current would still need to come from pi's supply and go through the polyfuse...
[22:24] <Hexxeh> and as much as i tried, i couldn't get my hands on any of those... :P
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> maicod, go and read up on ohms law.
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[22:25] * maicod is just trying to be careful not to damage a brand new Pi (latest model) with his powered HUB
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> I did seriously toy with the idea of buying one of the first 10 off ebay, but I really could not have justified it..
[22:25] <Lobs> shiftplusone: a fuse wont save you from eveything, it takes time for the fuse to activate which *could* be too late depending on what is going on.
[22:25] <maicod> I won't use it to power the Pi over the micro usb
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> maicod, I use a powered hub to power my Pi(s) over their micro usb ports.
[22:25] <Lobs> shiftplusone: it is all a could/might/maybe/just in case thing.
[22:25] <maicod> gordonDrogon: could it exceed 2.5A in fault cases ?
[22:25] <maicod> if the PSU is that strong
[22:26] <shiftplusone> Lobs, fair enough, but there are also capacitors all over the place which would prevent a change in current that's too fast for the fuse to react to (I am speculating at this point). But yeah, fair point.
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> maicod, ZOMG!!! Go look up Ohms law, please.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> maicod, I could connect up a 5v 200amp welding set and it would be fine.
[22:27] <maicod> gordonDrogon: I was talking about fault condition (i.e. short circuit)
[22:27] <maicod> but OK
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> maicod, sure - a short is a short - black smoke time.
[22:27] <maicod> hehe
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> make sure you don't get a short.
[22:27] <maicod> I will :)
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[22:27] <tpaulus> maicod, just don't short it out!
[22:27] <maicod> heh
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> put pi in a box, or don't put it in a metal table, etc.
[22:28] <maicod> ofc
[22:28] <maicod> its in lego and I also ordered a blue plastic case :)
[22:28] <maicod> normally I lay something non metallic under it if I use it bare
[22:28] <apollo> hahaha???. I was going to try to fix a friends electric lawn mower. We pulled some of the stuff apart and had left it on a metal table for a second. I went to look for some cardboard and he plugged it in!
[22:28] * Lobs would like to see this 5V 200A welding kit!
[22:28] <apollo> metal tables are dangerous.
[22:29] <maicod> hexxeh: did you have to unhook all these Pi's to take the picture ? :)
[22:29] <maicod> my table cloth is metallic
[22:29] <Hexxeh> maicod: only one of them which was sat in it's laptop dock
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[22:29] <maicod> hexxeh: do you have 'jobs' for all of them?
[22:29] <Hexxeh> no, not those ones
[22:29] <maicod> hexxeh: oh you resell them>
[22:29] <maicod> ?
[22:29] <rikkib> 31 deg C in my workshop 10:30am. Have to open doors.
[22:30] <Hexxeh> the boxes downstairs do have a use though (when i get around to finishing the enclosure)
[22:30] <maicod> -100 C here :(
[22:30] <maicod> hexxeh: what is the plan for the new ones?
[22:30] <Hexxeh> rackmount
[22:30] <maicod> ok
[22:30] <Hexxeh> i'm building an enclosure that houses a bunch of them in a 1u case
[22:30] <maicod> hexxeh: did u know they are made in a 6-attached manner ?
[22:30] <maicod> like a candy-bar
[22:31] <maicod> 6 together
[22:31] <Hexxeh> yeah, seen the photos
[22:31] <maicod> ok :)
[22:31] * maicod wants a 6-together kit :)
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> Lobs, nay, it's 2V :)
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[22:32] <maicod_away> bbl :)
[22:32] <Lobs> maicod_away: i think you would have a connector issue with them not being broken apart,
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[22:34] <maicod_away> oh yeah
[22:34] <maicod_away> it could be that they are too close to hookup cables to them
[22:34] <maicod_away> it would be fun to see them though and then later break them apart :)
[22:35] <maicod_away> has model A been sold already?
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[22:37] <Hexxeh> no, not yet
[22:37] <maicod_away> ok
[22:38] * maicod_away wonders if one or two usb ports will make much cost cutting
[22:38] <Hexxeh> it's not the only difference
[22:38] <maicod_away> ofc
[22:38] <Hexxeh> no ethernet, 1 USB, half the RAM
[22:38] <maicod_away> also for the newest model?
[22:38] <Hexxeh> imho the model B is a no brainer now it's 512MB
[22:38] <maicod_away> yeah I'm not really planning to get model A
[22:38] <maicod_away> just informing
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> they still planning the model A? is it worth it now?
[22:39] * maicod_away wonders why they didnt update the ARM to a faster one
[22:40] * maicod_away thinks not many will get sold
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[22:40] <maicod> useless to be called away this way :)
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> arm speed isn't everything. peopel already overclock to 1.1GHz.
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> and while it makes a difference, it's not stellar...
[22:41] <scummos> if you had one with a faster SPI, I'd buy it :D
[22:41] <maicod> SPI is ?
[22:41] <maicod> serial.....
[22:41] <scummos> serial peripherial interface
[22:41] <maicod> ?
[22:41] <maicod> ah indeed
[22:41] <scummos> used to communicate with some chips, mainly
[22:43] <maicod> would indeed be great if the pathways between the chips would be wider
[22:44] <scummos> why that
[22:44] <maicod> well it would perform better I guess
[22:44] <scummos> what
[22:44] <scummos> why
[22:44] <maicod> you said it yourself
[22:45] <maicod> faster SPI
[22:45] <scummos> what do you mean by "wider"?
[22:45] <maicod> it was just a metaphore
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[22:45] <maicod> I mean like comparing a 2-lane road to a 4-lane road
[22:45] <scummos> okay yeah
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[22:45] <maicod> heh
[22:45] <scummos> I don't think that's the problem with SPI
[22:45] <maicod> forget it :)
[22:46] <scummos> also SPI is serial, not parallel ;)
[22:46] <maicod> no the 'pressure' (the speed) should be higher
[22:46] <maicod> yeah so the pressure onto one 'lane' :)
[22:46] <scummos> hm yeah okay :D
[22:46] <maicod> clock sped
[22:46] <maicod> speed
[22:47] * maicod is away for real now
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[22:53] <maicod-away> weird the exports site from farnell doesn't even sell a EU power supply. They only list the UK one. I don't need one but I find it weird.
[22:54] <shiftplusone> very verbose way to be away
[22:54] <maicod-away> heh
[22:55] <maicod-away> talking from the distance :)
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[23:11] <relik> Hello how can i connect my wireless keyboard?
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[23:12] <maicod> relik: did u insert the wireless dongle in one of the USB ports ?
[23:12] <relik> yes i did
[23:12] <maicod> the dongle of the keyboard
[23:12] <maicod> the keyboard doesnt work?
[23:12] <relik> but normally i should enter a 4 digit password and connect
[23:12] <maicod> oh damn
[23:13] <relik> no it does not
[23:13] <maicod> maybe the keyboard is too fancy
[23:13] <shiftplusone> have you googled the answer?
[23:13] <shiftplusone> No, it's not too fancy.
[23:13] <maicod> could you remove the password from the keyboard on a pc ?
[23:13] <relik> well i couldnt find a lot of information
[23:13] <shiftplusone> Is it bluetooth?
[23:13] <maicod> oh thats it
[23:13] <relik> shiftplusone: its bluetooth yes
[23:14] <maicod> good suggestion
[23:14] <maicod> didnt think of bluetooth
[23:14] <shiftplusone> don't know about debian, but... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth_Keyboard
[23:14] <shiftplusone> first result
[23:15] <relik> hmmmm
[23:15] <relik> i use linux but i will follow these instruction
[23:16] <relik> i heard the source code of the gpu firmware is available
[23:16] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[23:16] <relik> does that mean we can use the gpu for scientific instructions?
[23:16] <shiftplusone> Not that I am aware of, I wouldn't hold my breath
[23:17] <shiftplusone> it will be reverse engineered way before broadcom releases anything interesting
[23:17] <relik> hmm ok
[23:18] <relik> any idea why they have used this broadcom gpu?
[23:18] <shiftplusone> because it's very fast and they could get it very cheap.
[23:18] <relik> fair enough
[23:18] <shiftplusone> in other words, pi would probably no exist without it.
[23:18] <shiftplusone> *not
[23:19] <relik> well i just have it for a few minutes now
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[23:19] <relik> it took me about 3 months before i received it
[23:19] <relik> i have no clear idea yet what i will do with it
[23:21] <AeroNotix> https://gist.github.com/4133142 something for your MOTD :)
[23:23] <shiftplusone> crafted that one yourself?
[23:23] <AeroNotix> kind of, I ran the logo through an ascii converter
[23:23] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:24] <relik> does video conferencing works properly for the raspberry pi?
[23:24] <relik> (skype in example)
[23:24] <rikkib> no
[23:24] <rikkib> no skype
[23:24] <shiftplusone> skype is not open source
[23:25] <IT_Sean> No.
[23:25] <relik> what do you use your raspberry pi for?
[23:25] <rikkib> I have one doing 1 fps + audio over tcp
[23:25] <relik> thats slow
[23:25] <rikkib> 320x240
[23:26] <rikkib> fits the purpose I want
[23:27] <rikkib> add cam/mic, relay and switches and you have a net security appliance
[23:27] <rikkib> that you can conrtol something with
[23:27] <AeroNotix> rikkib: why are you doing that with skype/
[23:28] <AeroNotix> ?
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[23:28] <shiftplusone> AeroNotix, O_o
[23:28] <relik> rikkib: you can buy a nice ptz camera for 30$
[23:28] <rikkib> motion i use
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[23:28] <relik> with inbuild motion detection
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[23:30] <rikkib> <relik> does video conferencing works properly for the raspberry pi?
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[23:31] <rikkib> No but. I do it with motion and rtp streaming between two points
[23:31] <relik> ok
[23:31] <rikkib> So RPi is capable of doing it but...
[23:32] <shiftplusone> Surely there are non-skype alternatives that would 'work' though?
[23:32] <relik> it should work pretty fast
[23:32] <relik> as h264 is accessable via the gpu so i heard
[23:32] <relik> *decoding
[23:32] <rikkib> Not to my knowldege
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> http://projectiris.co.uk GPL iris recognition
[23:33] <relik> its pretty sad that it doesnt support aes hardware crypto
[23:33] <rikkib> Indeed the current kernel has issues with usb effecting usb cameras
[23:34] <rikkib> I run 2 rev 1 RPi one with current kernel and one with an old one (7th month)
[23:34] <rikkib> current kernel crashes motion
[23:34] <rikkib> uvc video driver
[23:36] <rikkib> RPi developers have enough trouble understanding the usb system driver and they have more docs than I can get hold of... So the hope of me understanding is next to none
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> you can run asterisk on a Pi - should be able to run something like Ekiga for audio, but the video encoding will kill it.
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[23:48] <rsc> Does somebody have a RPi around? Is there a chance to figure out which of the two USB ports is currently in use?
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> anyone know if the SDL libraries are installed by default on Raspbian & Arch? I't's been so long since I installed raspbian that I've forgotten..
[23:49] <shiftplusone> I'll check arch
[23:49] <shiftplusone> probably not
[23:50] <shiftplusone> actually, yes. But I may have installed something that pulled it in.
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> rsc, yes, it's possible to tell.
[23:50] <shiftplusone> .... I am no help at all.
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, no wories :)
[23:51] <rsc> gordonDrogon: so I'm looking for the relation like /dev/sda(1) and the used USB port. Any pointer for /proc or /sys?
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> rsc, I used lsusb -tv
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> rsc, 'port 3' appears to be the bottom one, 'port 2' the top one.
[23:51] <rsc> gordonDrogon: which looks like what for you with two USB devices? Anything to copy & paste into my query?
[23:51] <AeroNotix> I doubt the SDL libs are there by default, I mean, why?
[23:51] <rsc> gordonDrogon: "Port 1: Dev 3, If 0, Class=vend., Driver=smsc95xx, 480M"
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> rsc, http://unicorn.drogon.net/usb.txt
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> rsc, the top block is a keyboard plugged into the bottom port, the 2nd block is a keyboard plugged into the top port.
[23:52] <AeroNotix> gordonDrogon: I have a pretty virgin Arch install and /usr/include/ doesn't have the SDL libs
[23:53] <rsc> gordonDrogon: ah! Thanks.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> AeroNotix, python - pygame uses SDL, so I thought they might be there by default - howevr this is for my basic which uses them - just trying to help someone get them installed.
[23:53] <AeroNotix> gordonDrogon: well I don't have them and it's a pretty bare install, just git/emacs/htop
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> AeroNotix, ok, thanks.
[23:53] <AeroNotix> np
[23:54] <AeroNotix> any reason why you're choosing to write a basic interpreter?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> I've already written it.
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> because I wanted to.
[23:54] <AeroNotix> just asking
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> a personal project.
[23:54] <AeroNotix> does it compile to native?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> I set my self something every year.... last years (Dec/Jan) was to write a BASIC interpreter.
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> it tokenises into a 16-bit sort of pseudo code thing.
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[23:55] <AeroNotix> ah
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> I'd never written a 'proper' sort of thing like this before - plenty of little interpreters for stuff, but never a full-on system.
[23:56] <AeroNotix> what's a "full system" wrt a BASIC interpreter?
[23:56] <AeroNotix> does it have GC?
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> it started off when I found some 32 year old printouts of some basic I wrote...
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> no GC.
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> but it doesn't really need it.
[23:57] <AeroNotix> why not?
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> it opens an SDL window and everything runs in there.
[23:57] <AeroNotix> oh, so it's implemented in Python?
[23:57] <AeroNotix> (you mentioned pygame before)
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> because it has an operating system behind it which handles malloc/free for me.
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> no, C.
[23:57] <AeroNotix> oh ok
[23:57] <AeroNotix> interesting
[23:57] <AeroNotix> github?
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> no - I own my own servers, so use them - https://git.drogon.net/ but I've identified a few bugs today, so am about to check in some updates.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> or git clone git://git.drogon.net/rtb
[23:59] <AeroNotix> cgit or gitweb?
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> gitweb
[23:59] <AeroNotix> ok
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> seems to work.
[23:59] <AeroNotix> cesil?
[23:59] <AeroNotix> yeah I like the simplicity of gitweb
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> yea cesil - something I'm doing for the MagPi..

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