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IRC Log for 2012-11-24

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[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know the details but you'll need to adjust that setting if you get black bars around your screen.
[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're just sshing in, don't worry about it.
[0:01] <linuxstb> Luke-Jr: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt may help
[0:01] <Luke-Jr> ah
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[0:02] <Luke-Jr> can I give the GPU zero memory, or is 16 truly the minimum?
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't try it.
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Well I would, but I wouldn't expect it to work.
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[0:04] <Neutron18> meh seems like my new pi from RS is also having the same power issues and needs to be modified to work -_-
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[0:04] * linuxstb is reminded that his RS Pi was due to ship this week, but no sign of it
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[0:06] <SzArAk> guys, how can i force using my whole screen while playing videos on xbmc? I get two big black stripes on bottom and top. I can use them for subtitles, but i'd rather do video streching
[0:07] <SzArAk> i tried number of options i found in the menu, changed some different xbmc versions, now i've got rasbmc and still the same - any hints on how to force video strech?
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[0:07] <SzArAk> *stretch
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[0:09] <linuxstb> SzArAk: Is your screen 4:3?
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[0:13] <SzArAk> linuxstb: no, it's 16:9
[0:15] <linuxstb> So the video is squashed vertically? Or you're watching movies with black bars encoded in them?
[0:15] <SzArAk> linuxstb: i mean it's "full hd", 1920x1080. 1080 movies look perfect, but most other typical files not realy
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[0:15] <SzArAk> linuxstb: no, it's squashed. No bars on the actual video file
[0:17] <linuxstb> SzArAk: OK, so all you want is for xbmc to display things correctly? ;) Your question made it sound like you wanted to distort the video to fill your screen.
[0:18] <SzArAk> lol. Yes i just want it to display all videos on full screen, whatever proportion is the video file.
[0:19] <linuxstb> It sounds like xbmc may think your TV is 4:3, but I've no idea if xbmc has a setting for that (I would hope so).
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[0:19] <SzArAk> it seems to know my monitor proportions - menu displays perfectly, it also shows correct resolution in informational pages in settings
[0:20] <SzArAk> there is "display 4:3 videos as (...)" option in settings->video->playback, but it doesn't seem to have any effect
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[0:26] <luc4> Hi! Anyone working on gst-omx?
[0:27] <SzArAk> eh, i think i'm gonna drop the topic for next two hours and live with that issue. If you have any hints, please let me know - I'd be happy to read any when i'm back :)
[0:27] <SzArAk> linuxstb: thank you.
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> feel free to ask again when there are more people on
[0:27] <ShiftPlusOne> or maybe ask in a few of the xbmc channels
[0:28] <ShiftPlusOne> i think there's xbmc-rpi as well
[0:28] <SzArAk> that's a good idea and I'll try that later on
[0:28] <SzArAk> thank you as well :)
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[1:08] <rikkib> Unable to dequeue buffer: Input/output error
[1:08] <rikkib> i: Error grabbing frames
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[1:08] <rikkib> mjpeg-streamer does not run on raspbian either
[1:09] <Guest70745> aaa
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[1:09] <Guest70745> November 2012
[1:09] <Guest70745> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
[1:09] <Guest70745> 1 2 3
[1:09] <Guest70745> 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
[1:09] <Guest70745> 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
[1:09] <Guest70745> 18 19 20 21 22 _ 2_ 3 24
[1:09] <Guest70745> 25 26 27 28 29 30
[1:09] <scummos> alright
[1:10] <IT_Sean> ...
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[1:11] <Guest70745> If you're in trouble he will save the day
[1:11] <Guest70745> He's brave and he's fearless come what may
[1:11] <Guest70745> Without him the mission would go astray
[1:11] <IT_Sean> um... what?
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[1:11] <Guest70745>
[1:11] <Guest70745> He's Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer
[1:11] <Guest70745> Without him life would be much grimmer
[1:11] <Guest70745> He's handsome, trim and no-one slimmer
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[1:12] <Guest70745> He will never need a Zimmer
[1:12] <Guest70745>
[1:12] <Guest70745> Ask Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer
[1:12] <Guest70745> More reliable than a garden trimmer
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[1:12] <Guest70745> He's never been mistaken for Yul Brynner
[1:12] <Guest70745> He's not bald and his head doesn't glimmer
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[1:12] <Guest70745>
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[1:12] <Guest70745> Master of the wit and the repartee
[1:12] <Guest70745> His command of space directives is uncanny
[1:12] <Guest70745> How come he's such a genius? Don't ask me
[1:12] <Guest70745>
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[1:14] <rikkib> I wish they would hurry up and sort out the uvc video driver
[1:14] <scummos> is it broken?
[1:15] <rikkib> I doubt any video streaming works
[1:15] <scummos> hm, okay
[1:15] <scummos> (I never had a screen attached to my pi :D)
[1:15] <rikkib> using the uvc driver
[1:15] <rikkib> I don't have a screen
[1:16] <rikkib> I am streaming of sorts
[1:16] <rikkib> motion
[1:16] <rikkib> and today testing mjpeg-streamer
[1:16] <rikkib> Both have the same issue with the video completion driver
[1:16] <rikkib> It is missing packets from the usb system
[1:17] <scummos> hmm
[1:17] <rikkib> a known issue
[1:17] <scummos> I guess my usual "add a decoupling capacitor" approach won't help here ;)
[1:17] <rikkib> woith packets broken into chunks
[1:17] <BlackFate> rikkib, i streamed my camera today :-/
[1:17] <rikkib> whit with?
[1:17] <rikkib> what
[1:17] <BlackFate> mjpg-streamer
[1:17] <rikkib> uvc?
[1:18] <BlackFate> inout_uvc.so
[1:18] <BlackFate> y
[1:19] <BlackFate> input*
[1:19] <rikkib> ./mjpg_streamer -i "input_uvc.so -y -d /dev/video0 -r 320x240 -f 5" -o "output_http.so -w ./www"
[1:19] <rikkib> Unable to dequeue buffer: Input/output error
[1:20] <rikkib> I get that error after a while
[1:20] <BlackFate> i streamed for about 3-5 mins
[1:21] <rikkib> Well I have many say they stream but I have not seen many that actually are doing it full time
[1:21] <rikkib> I run two RPi
[1:22] <rikkib> One on old kernel that runs without a prob all the time
[1:22] <rikkib> new kernel does not hold up for any time
[1:22] <Disconnect> any idea what would cause a pi to run about a minute before going single-red-light crash? same psu/card/etc works (under load) on the other pi. even a fresh raspbian image with nothing plugged in (not even hdmi) does the same thing
[1:22] <rikkib> same version of motion
[1:23] <scummos> Disconnect: any devices attached? any visible damage on the board? overclock?
[1:24] <Disconnect> no devices, no visible damage. oc to 'fast' settings on raspbmc lemme get those stats real quick
[1:24] <Disconnect> arm 840, core 350, gpu 253, 50/50 ram split
[1:24] <Disconnect> same thing with all that disabled though
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[1:25] <Disconnect> tested f3 and got .4 which (afaict from the forums) is normal
[1:26] <scummos> hm
[1:26] <scummos> can you run like memcheck
[1:26] <scummos> (I have no idea, I'm just guessing around)
[1:26] <Disconnect> it won't run more than 45 seconds before it halts. so.. :/
[1:27] <Disconnect> actually might be a minute or 2 but its less than a minute after it finishes booting
[1:28] <Disconnect> (in the case of raspbmc, it gets into xbmc, get the clock/network set, thinks, then dies. in raspbian it got to the setup menu but not for long.)
[1:29] <scummos> and then it just freezes?
[1:29] <Disconnect> worse. turns off completely, 1 red light.
[1:29] <scummos> did you check the CPU temperature?
[1:29] <Disconnect> well. thats not completely but you know :)
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[1:30] <Disconnect> yah temps are low. never past 55 under load. i can grab my ir scanner and see what it is during the crash
[1:30] <Disconnect> it wasn't hot to the touch after the crash at least so it can't be too bad
[1:30] <scummos> ok
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[1:37] <sitedude> Hey everyone, does anyone have access to a compiler, i am having major issues trying to compile chocolate-doom :(
[1:37] <scummos> another question, who does *not* have access to a compiler ;P
[1:37] <sitedude> haha
[1:37] <scummos> sitedude: pastebin the error message(s)
[1:37] <sitedude> It's actually for a device similar to a pi
[1:38] <sitedude> it's a kids innotab
[1:38] <sitedude> It has uses arm6 and soft-float to compile
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[1:38] <scummos> so you're looking for help compiling software unrelated to the pi on a platform unrelated to the pi in #raspberrypi? ok ;D
[1:38] <sitedude> i just can't get eclipse to compile, i have too many gcc toolchains i think
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[1:38] * normod waves to sitedude
[1:38] <sitedude> i do have a pi though heh
[1:38] <scummos> :D
[1:38] <sitedude> hey normod :)
[1:39] <scummos> yeah, just paste the error messages
[1:39] <sitedude> k let me try to compile
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[1:39] <ShiftPlusOne> the chocolate-doom package is available in arch for pi, so it definitely not too much of a pain to compile.
[1:40] <sitedude> it isn't if it was on a pi :)
[1:40] <sitedude> i'm trying to compile it or a kids innotab tablet
[1:40] <sitedude> i can compile hello world apps that work
[1:40] <sitedude> heh
[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah I got that bit
[1:42] <sitedude> okay now this is going to sound noobish. I can't figure out how to set eclipse to use arm-none-eabi-gcc.exe it says GCC not found in PATH
[1:42] <sitedude> I edited my system variables
[1:42] <sitedude> renamed arm-none-eabi-gcc.exe to gcc.exe to trick it
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[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> bleh... windows?
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I have a feeling you're doing everything terribly wrong.
[1:43] <scummos> haha
[1:43] <sitedude> i would assume so
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[1:44] <sitedude> does eclipse for windows not allow you to manually specify your compilers?
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not really sure where to begin, so I think I'll leave that question for others. Good luck.
[1:44] <sitedude> i would assume it's the same app or nix as windows since it's java based
[1:44] <sitedude> the compiler by itself works fine
[1:45] <sitedude> i just thought using eclipse to compile it would make it easier
[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I wouldn't be using anything of the sort.
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[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I would be using linux with scratchbox2 to cross-compile it.
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[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Keep in mind it has dependencies which you will need to address as well (sdl, sdlmixer, sdelnet and so on)
[1:46] <sitedude> that would let me manually specify the compiling options like armv6 and soft-float?
[1:47] <sitedude> installing linux now
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe there are people here who have crosscompiled stuff for arm on windows who might be able to help you better.
[1:47] <rikkib> I use make file in eclipse
[1:48] <sitedude> i have the make file and everything
[1:48] <sitedude> just couldn't figure out how to tell eclipse what compiler to use
[1:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I would imagine you will need cygwin or something like msys and mingw and you'll need to figure out what env variable you'll need to pass to crosscompile correctly.
[1:49] <sitedude> got cygwin too :) the compiler works fine standalone
[1:49] <sitedude> tested it with some code i wrote
[1:49] <sitedude> i just wanted to test doom or similar on the device
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[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> You might need to run something like ./configure --target=arm-linux dirst
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> *first
[1:49] <sitedude> shift, do you know the packages i need once linux is installed for arm gcc?
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> except with the right parameters
[1:50] <rikkib> That stuff is in the make file
[1:50] <sitedude> let me try that
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[1:50] <rikkib> CC=arm-none-eabi-gcc
[1:50] <rikkib> OBJCOPY=arm-none-eabi-objcopy
[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> listen to rikkib, he seems to know this better.
[1:51] <rikkib> Stuff like that but that is for my cross compile for STM32V arm11
[1:51] <sitedude> set those as enviormental variables?
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> no, that's your makefile, I think.
[1:51] <rikkib> in makefile
[1:51] <Neutron18> are the IO pins of the pi easy to fry, or are they somewhat robust?
[1:51] <rikkib> usually right at the top
[1:51] <scummos> Neutron18: easy to fry
[1:52] <scummos> they're wired directly into the CPU without protection
[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: not robust, but if you don't do anything silly, they should be fine.
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[1:52] <rikkib> makefiles are an art to themselves and I am not expert
[1:52] <scummos> the pi will usually just turn off if you do something stupid
[1:52] <Neutron18> can they take a short circuit to GND when the output is set to 1 for example?
[1:52] <scummos> yes
[1:52] <scummos> well it will shut off the pi's power from my experience
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> silly = load to more than 5mA, or short to ground or high, or apply over 3.3, or under 0.
[1:52] <scummos> it will reboot
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> shorting to ground is risky, and may not kill the pin.
[1:53] <rikkib> but also look for option in makefile that do cross compile
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> rikkib: isn't it more likely that there is a configure script he needs to run with the right options?
[1:53] <sitedude> this ones pretty generic (chocolate dooms)
[1:53] <SpeedEvil> rebooting is not also guaranteed as an indicator
[1:54] <scummos> well you should really avoid it, yeah
[1:54] <rikkib> ShiftPlusOne, Possibly
[1:54] <sitedude> under the CC=arm-none-eabi-gcc can i add the compiler options like -march=armv6 -soft-float ... etc?
[1:54] <ShiftPlusOne> but considering he already has a makefile that's not complaining about configure, maybe not.
[1:54] <rikkib> options go else where
[1:54] <Neutron18> the pins can source and sink current, right?
[1:55] <rikkib> look further
[1:55] <SpeedEvil> Neutron18: yes
[1:55] <scummos> Neutron18: if you configure them correctly, yes. But they cannot sink or source much.
[1:55] <Neutron18> goodie
[1:55] <Neutron18> yeah but at least I won't need pullup resistors and such
[1:55] <sitedude> where else would those go rikib, should i be using a diff program besides eclipse
[1:56] <rikkib> sitedude, There will be a variable for options usually just like CC is defined
[1:56] <sitedude> in makefiles?
[1:57] <ShiftPlusOne> sitedude: where did you get the makefile? I am browsing the source and there isn't one by default. It's generated.
[1:57] <rikkib> sitedude, it will have those sort of compiler flags
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[1:57] <sitedude> maybe i downloaded the wrong chocolate-doom?
[1:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I am browsing the svn branch on sourceforge
[1:58] <rikkib> sitedude, adjust once you find of find where the compile is in the makefile hte flags/options may be defined there
[1:58] <sitedude> http://sourceforge.net/projects/chocolate-doom/files/chocolate-doom/1.7.0/chocolate-doom-1.7.0.tar.gz/download
[1:58] <sitedude> thats the one i download
[1:58] <ShiftPlusOne> pastebin the makefile maybe
[1:58] <sitedude> thanks thats a good idea
[1:58] <sitedude> Thanks again guys :)
[1:59] <ShiftPlusOne> and... I probably don't need to ask, but you haven't compiled sdl and all the other dependencies yet, have you?
[1:59] <sitedude> theres 2 make files
[1:59] <sitedude> makefile.am
[1:59] <sitedude> and makefile.in
[2:00] <ShiftPlusOne> those are autotools files, there should be just a makefile
[2:00] <rikkib> ahhh now I see
[2:00] <Neutron18> I am just hoping to be able to power an IR LED and an IR photodiode's pullup resistor from the pins, should be less than 5mA
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[2:00] <rikkib> You need to read makefile.in
[2:00] <Disconnect> fwiw i've heard of others doing that no problem
[2:00] <rikkib> I think
[2:00] <Neutron18> trying to make a little network IR repeater
[2:01] <rikkib> that will have the options to set the compile options
[2:01] <sitedude> in makefile.in?
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[2:02] <rikkib> .configure -h
[2:02] <rikkib> ./configure -h
[2:02] <rikkib> in the main dir of the source
[2:02] <rikkib> or something like that
[2:02] * ShiftPlusOne thinks we'll just confuse the hell out of sitedude and he should do a bit more research on compiling in general and crosscompiling first.
[2:03] <rikkib> You are probably right
[2:03] <sitedude> so where it says GCC=yes else gcc= I could add the compiler in the else
[2:04] <rikkib> specially when I usually run on instinct of where to look and what to do
[2:04] <rikkib> no... the package is cross platform compliant
[2:05] <sitedude> i feel dumb now
[2:05] <rikkib> it will tell you what you need to do if you know how to get the info out of it
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[2:05] <rikkib> what does the command ./configure say
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[2:05] <ShiftPlusOne> sitedude: it's not a matter of intelligence, you just need a bit more experience and reading.
[2:06] <sitedude> To assign environment variables (e.g., CC, CFLAGS...), specify them as
[2:06] <sitedude> VAR=VALUE. See below for descriptions of some of the useful variables.
[2:06] <sitedude> thats on ./configure -h
[2:07] <ShiftPlusOne> you pass that straight to configure. so ./configure CC=whatever CFLAGS=whatever and so on should work, I think.
[2:07] <rikkib> prefixes
[2:07] <sitedude> CFlags are thinks like armv6, soft float, etc/
[2:08] <Disconnect> cflags are things like -O2 and such. ARCH and CC are where you do the armv6 etc parts
[2:08] <sitedude> sweet let me try it
[2:09] <rikkib> CFLAGS
[2:09] <CelticTurnip> http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html :P
[2:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gcc/ARM-Options.html#ARM-Options
[2:10] <sitedude> i tried /configure CC=arm-none-eabi-gcc msoft-float -march=armv6
[2:10] <sitedude> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
[2:11] <sitedude> so shold i do ./configure CC=arm-none-eabi-gcc msoft-float -march=armv6 --build ?
[2:11] <rikkib> host linux
[2:11] <sitedude> configure: error: unrecognized option: `-march=armv6'
[2:11] <rikkib> target arm I think
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[2:12] <rikkib> build I am not sure
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> armv6 should be recognised =/ It's in the docs.
[2:12] <ShiftPlusOne> what version of gcc is it?
[2:13] <ShiftPlusOne> also, for host, you specify the system you're building on and target is the system you're building to
[2:14] <ShiftPlusOne> for example --host i686-pc-linux-gnu, except in your case it's not linux and I have no idea what it will be.
[2:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if you run gcc -v and arm-none-eabi-gcc msoft-float -v you can get the variables you need.
[2:16] <sitedude> maybe i need to do this
[2:16] <sitedude> ./configure --host=arm-none-eabi CC=/cygdrive/C/choc/arm-none-eabi-gcc -- then triggers?
[2:16] <Disconnect> are you building it on the arm or on something else?
[2:16] <Disconnect> host is the machine you are typing on
[2:16] <sitedude> on windows heh
[2:16] <ShiftPlusOne> He's building it on windows
[2:17] <Disconnect> target is the machine you are building for
[2:19] <sitedude> darn still isn't working
[2:20] <sitedude> anyone feel like compiling the binary for me heh ?
[2:20] <sitedude> i know its armv6 and msoft-float
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> I am sure you can pull it from debian repos
[2:20] <rikkib> sitedude, Have you installed sdl libs and headers in your cross compile environment?
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> 90% sure he hasn't
[2:21] <Neutron18> erm what parameters should I give mount to mount an SD card partition without nodev?
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> raspberrypi's debian binaries should work for you, just make sure it's not from raspbian, but plain debian.
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[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/chocolate-doom/download
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[2:24] <sitedude> the devices i'm using rns bsybox
[2:24] <sitedude> busybox linux
[2:26] <sitedude> i donno if a .deb would install on busybo
[2:26] <ShiftPlusOne> extract from it
[2:26] <ShiftPlusOne> and busybox isn't a distro.
[2:27] <sitedude> i'm not sure if those libs are installed
[2:27] <sitedude> running GNU Tools ARM Embedded 4.6 2012q4
[2:29] <sitedude> almost got linux installed anyways
[2:29] <sitedude> any recommendations on packages to download to cross compile
[2:30] <ShiftPlusOne> It probably won't help you since you will still need to know the variables you're after.
[2:30] <rikkib> kernel is a good skill
[2:31] <sitedude> i know the correct variables that it requires to compile a hello world app
[2:31] <sitedude> that worked fine, are they different varibles depending on the source?
[2:32] <sitedude> The only two flags i used for my hello world app were the -march=armv6 and msoft-float and it worked perfectly.
[2:32] <ShiftPlusOne> you weren't using a config script for hello world, you were compiling directly
[2:32] <sitedude> yeah thats true
[2:33] <sitedude> does linux by default have arm-none-eabi-gcc
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> no
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> you can download those provided by codesourcery or build using crosstool-ng
[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> the easy option is to download https://sourcery.mentor.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package8739/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2011.03-41-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2
[2:34] <sitedude> awesome thanks :)
[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> (if that link is still up)
[2:36] <rikkib> Hmmm that is old
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I can't find it through their website
[2:36] <ShiftPlusOne> so I just got an old link I had saved
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> You have to make an account on their website to get the download link
[2:37] <rikkib> the raspberry pi github has cross compiler I think
[2:37] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there's that too
[2:37] <rikkib> http://github.com/raspberrypi
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> do 64g sd's work?
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[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I see a few in the verified peripherals list
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> bah... I should actually check on my blog once in a while. I thought it was gathering cobwebs, but people have actually been commenting and asking stuff. Whoops.
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[2:54] <rikkib> I have a web site with 90 members... They do nothing
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[2:54] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[2:54] <rikkib> Makes one wonder
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[2:54] <rikkib> They are mostly Ham radio ops
[2:55] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz
[2:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah nice, didn't know those were still alive.
[2:56] <rikkib> You are just about right with regard to NZ
[2:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, I wasn't being serious but I expected that a little.
[2:57] <rikkib> My site has been up over two years and nobody else contributes
[2:58] <ShiftPlusOne> So on an average night if you turn on your radio and scan around, do you actually find people?
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[2:59] <rikkib> All the time
[2:59] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
[2:59] <rikkib> 10 meters is wide open right around the world
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[2:59] <rikkib> at certain times
[2:59] <rikkib> sun spot cycle is nearly at the top
[3:00] <rikkib> ionosphere lighting up
[3:00] <SpeedEvil> it's amazing. you can talk to people around the world for free.
[3:00] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[3:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I hear there's an "internet" thing that's taking off for that kind of thing too.
[3:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah damn. When I abandoned the blog I was getting barely a few visits per day, now it's over 100. O_o
[3:10] <ShiftPlusOne> (probably a very low number for those of you with proper websites, but I find that quite encouraging) =D
[3:11] <akiwiguy> i have no way to judge hitcount on my website currently, because it's hosted on GitHub Pages
[3:11] <akiwiguy> i might write a JS tracker to callback to another server
[3:11] <akiwiguy> if i stop being lazy
[3:12] <akiwiguy> (i don't want to put Google Analytics on it, ew)
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, If feel dirty for having it on there.
[3:12] <ShiftPlusOne> *I
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[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> But I guess people who don't want google tracking them have already blocked tracking cookies including google analytics.
[3:13] <akiwiguy> i've got Ghostery installed
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Using something like Ghostery for example
[3:13] <ShiftPlusOne> there you go
[3:13] <akiwiguy> yeah
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[3:13] <akiwiguy> i use Google Apps for email though
[3:13] <akiwiguy> so it defeats the purpose slightly :P
[3:13] <lfaraone> Hmm how big is the raspbian image by default?
[3:14] <Jever> 2gb
[3:14] <Jever> ~465 if you download it. but it uses 2gb on the sd
[3:14] <lfaraone> Jever: cool, thanks. I was piping unzip directly to DD so I didn't check.
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[3:22] <lfaraone> Hm. When I plug in my Pi the pwr light turns on but nothing else does, and I don't see anything on the screen.
[3:24] <lfaraone> Oh, the OK light is on but faintly.
[3:26] <Tachyon`> are you sure the PSU is up to the task?
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[3:28] <lfaraone> uh, its my laptop's plug
[3:28] <lfaraone> I can try with an external 5V 850mA cable.
[3:28] <Tachyon`> they don't really work from pc ports very well
[3:28] <Tachyon`> or at all
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[3:28] <Tachyon`> 850mA might be enough
[3:28] <Tachyon`> if you dn't have too much plugged in
[3:29] <Tachyon`> PC ports are supposed to be limited to 500mA and that won't do it
[3:29] <SpeedEvil> most do not limit to 500ma
[3:30] <Tachyon`> they're supposed to and regardless, it soundsl ike that one is, they're actually meant to limit to less than 500mA and only give 500mA after negotiation but they rarely bother with that much
[3:30] <SpeedEvil> they're not supposed to.
[3:30] <lfaraone> I have a cell phone AC adapter which is produces 850mA. The Pi is plugged in directly to the adapter which is connected directly in the wall.
[3:30] <Tachyon`> it's in the standard
[3:30] <SpeedEvil> the port must limit to under 2A.
[3:31] <Tachyon`> are you just making things up, heh
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> the device must not draw over 500ma
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> and 100ma before negotiation
[3:31] <lfaraone> I still get an alert that there's no HDMI signal.
[3:31] <lfaraone> :/
[3:31] <Tachyon`> hrm
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> with more requirements for suspend and OTG.
[3:31] <Tachyon`> what are you trying to boot?
[3:32] <lfaraone> Tachyon`: Raspbian.
[3:32] <SpeedEvil> Tachyon`: the port however is not required to current limit. And most don't. you do know that the current drawn is determined by the load?
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[3:54] <crenn> My raspbian rover worked today!
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[6:40] <trentg> Hi, does the rpi support native thread local storage (__thread) and/or tls with pthreads?
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[6:54] * plugwash can't see any reason why not
[6:54] <plugwash> are you having a problem?
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[7:04] <trentg> plugwash: no, I was being lazy
[7:04] <trentg> I was pretty sure pthreads tls would work, but just tested and __thread does also
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[7:22] <s5fs> just confirmed bluetooth module works, sweet
[7:22] <s5fs> waiting on arduino gear now
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[7:24] <jagginess> howdy.. i got my baby today
[7:24] <WilliamEDIS> gangbang?
[7:24] <WilliamEDIS> :D
[7:24] <bircoe> *cough*
[7:24] <ShiftPlusOne> ...
[7:25] <WilliamEDIS> thats not foul language
[7:25] <jagginess> everything works, just looking for a quick jukebox web frontend.. (solutions?, mpd/jukebox i'm still havent yet tested, as it seems to load forever)
[7:25] <bircoe> never said it was :P
[7:25] <WilliamEDIS> anyone ever tested using a rpi as mediacenter?
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[7:25] <WilliamEDIS> *with NFS as stoirage
[7:25] <ShiftPlusOne> On what grounds is that not foul language?
[7:26] <bircoe> I use a Pi daily with XBMC (OpenELEC) from SMB shares, works like a drea
[7:26] <bircoe> m
[7:26] <WilliamEDIS> on the Oxford dictionary, not marked ShiftPlusOne
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[7:27] <bircoe> this is an interesting warnign sign...
[7:27] <bircoe> http://www.reallyghey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/demotivational-posters-gas-enema.jpg
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[7:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, for future reference, that's not how it works.
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[7:27] <bircoe> yeah I'll take note!
[7:28] <WilliamEDIS> the queen will not be amused about your preference of american english
[7:28] <WilliamEDIS> and send the tropps to the colony
[7:28] <CelticTurnip> ah invasion!
[7:28] <bircoe> I aint scared of no pommies...
[7:28] * CelticTurnip prepares the drop bears
[7:28] <WilliamEDIS> i'm not sure why i wrote tropps
[7:29] <WilliamEDIS> too early here
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[7:31] <bircoe> http://meanwhileinaustralia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/beachygf.jpg
[7:32] <bircoe> :)
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[7:32] <WilliamEDIS> ye always the foreigners mate
[7:33] <bircoe> CelticTurnip, did you know they found a new species of drop bear?
[7:33] <bircoe> http://sleepinginsomniacs.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/528622_419551324728958_1119884679_n.jpg
[7:33] <jagginess> anyone using something like fookebox? (it's a jukebox)
[7:34] <CelticTurnip> ARRGGHHHH!
[7:34] <CelticTurnip> that's it for me, I'm never going outside again
[7:34] * CelticTurnip packs up the OpenBSD boxes and sobs in the corner
[7:36] <WilliamEDIS> but what do you eat
[7:36] <bircoe> it's ok, I hear they're main diet is the english...
[7:36] * CelticTurnip thinks about making a joke about Richard Stallman and eating feet... but stops
[7:38] <bircoe> http://www.letslols.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/The-Difference-Between-Men-And-Women-In-The-Shower.jpg
[7:38] <bircoe> heh
[7:38] <CelticTurnip> :)
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[8:08] <llappy> so, in the field of fun-yet-practical things one can do with a RasPi
[8:09] <llappy> I set up one in my mom's optometry practice today to stream a local radio station 24/7 and play on the in-office speakers via a little Pyle Audio amp
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[8:10] <llappy> whole setup is about the size of 2 stacked Pis, and it replaces a huge AV receiver that got terrible static due to bad radio reception in the building
[8:10] <llappy> (and which was gradually crapping out)
[8:11] <llappy> an init script launches a bash script and writes a pidfile, and the bash script has a while [ 1 ] loop of omxplayer
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[8:25] <amagee> hey i'm trying to install a raspberry pi image onto an SD card using the instructions at "Copying an image to the SD Card in Linux (command line)" here http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[8:26] <amagee> when i "df -h" I get /dev/sdb1 as the device for the SD card
[8:27] <amagee> then i unmount it, and then i run "dd -bs=4M if=/path/to/image.img of=/dev/sdb"
[8:27] <amagee> and it says "dd: opening '/dev/sdb': No medium found"
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[8:28] <plugwash> hmm, how exactly did you unmount it?
[8:28] <amagee> umount /dev/sdb1
[8:29] <amagee> or sometimes I get "Read-only file system" instead of "no medium found"
[8:30] <plugwash> all I can really suggest is trying a different SD card reader, i've never seen that problem myself
[8:30] <ShiftPlusOne> borked card maybe. I'd check dmesg.
[8:31] <amagee> how do i "check dmesg"?
[8:31] <ShiftPlusOne> type dmesg
[8:31] <ShiftPlusOne> and see if there's anything that looks like things went horribly wrong.
[8:32] <amagee> yeah there are a bunch of lines saying things like "[sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled"
[8:32] <amagee> "Asking for cache data failed"
[8:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Not sure, but it doesn't sound good.
[8:34] <amagee> hmm yeah i can't actually even write anything to the SD card
[8:34] <amagee> interesting, will try a different card
[8:35] <amagee> it's a microSD card inside an SD card adapter thingy, could those two things be incompatible somehow?
[8:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I can't see how
[8:35] <jagginess> amagee, fdisk -l , and mount<enter> , nothing should be mounted when doing dd
[8:36] <jagginess> amagee, mount<enter> lists the current mountpoints
[8:37] <amagee> yeah it seems to be the card.. i can't even write files to the filesystem, but i can with another card
[8:41] <amagee> jagginess: neither of those commands shows anything relating to /dev/sdb
[8:41] <jagginess> amagee, fdisk does not show anything about /dev/sdb ?
[8:42] <amagee> output from fdisk -l is blank
[8:42] <jagginess> use sudo as nec
[8:43] <amagee> that's a command?
[8:44] <jagginess> what system are you currently running?
[8:46] <amagee> ubuntu 12.04?
[8:47] <mdim> amagee: sudo gives the command that is prepended with it the root privileges
[8:47] <mdim> and the fdisk tool needs that
[8:48] <amagee> oh, right
[8:48] <amagee> in that case, there is a line for /dev/sdb1 in fdisk -l
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[8:49] <jagginess> mount should not show anything mounted with mount<enter.
[8:49] <jagginess> mount<enter> (use sudo if need to)
[8:49] <amagee> correct, there's no /dev/sdb* in mount
[8:52] <jagginess> amagee, you dont need "-" in front of bs
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[8:53] <amagee> oh, i don't actually have one.. i wrote the command incorrectly here because i'm on a different compuetr
[8:53] <jagginess> ?
[8:53] <amagee> the command i actually typed didn't have a hyphen before bs
[8:53] <jagginess> wtf
[8:54] <amagee> i typed it wrong in this window
[8:54] <jagginess> use sudo maybe
[8:55] <amagee> tried sudo with dd, no change
[8:56] <jagginess> amagee, did it finish running ?
[8:56] <amagee> no, just says "Read-only file system"
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[8:58] <jagginess> i'm suspecting dbus on the desktop is hooking on the ubuntu desktop.. try logging out of the GUI and use plain terminal (ctl-alt-f1, .. ctl-alt-f7 returns to gui)
[8:58] <mdim> for those of you who use RPi as a media server - what software do you use? XBMC? MythTV? Something else?
[8:59] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: I am not, but I'd be using OpenELEC if I were.
[8:59] <jagginess> i've just check out gmpc with mpd.. it's working pretty well here..
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[8:59] <jagginess> (using smb mountpoints for the music)
[8:59] <jagginess> (but I need to disable the X logon -- disabled lightdm on startup -- seems to solve lagging problems)
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[9:01] <mdim> pros and cons on using XBMC/MythTV?
[9:01] <mdim> do both run smoothly?
[9:01] <mdim> I'm waiting for RPi model B
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[9:02] <mdim> jagginess: I'm looking for something that deals with all kind of media, not just music
[9:02] <mdim> (but I do use mpd on my laptop)
[9:03] <jagginess> mdim, i wouldnt know what's best.. i'm just using it to play up an old stereo system.. (i'm using an hdmi ->RCA jack converter.. to bring back to life an oldie system)
[9:05] <tdy> as best as i can tell, i'm having this issue with my bluetooth dongle: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42932
[9:05] <Gr33n3gg> mdim: I think it'd run smoothly, I've never tried
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[9:05] <Gr33n3gg> considering the apple tv 2 has about the same specs and the raspi can do 1080, I think it'd be suitable
[9:05] <tdy> can i even do anything about it since the rpi is running kernel 3.2?
[9:05] <tdy> it seems to be patched for 3.7..
[9:06] <mdim> tdy: what distro do you use?
[9:06] <tdy> tried with raspbian and arch arm
[9:06] <tdy> from the official dl page
[9:06] <mdim> I guess Arch Linux (as a rolling distro) will have 3.7 in its repo pretty soon
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[9:07] <tdy> actually i thought that, but my arch arm image uses 3.2.27-14-ARCH+
[9:07] <mdim> of course, not sooner than it appears on kernel.org
[9:07] <tdy> that's with a current -Syu
[9:07] <mdim> hm
[9:07] <mdim> seems like the policy is not the same as for x86 machines
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[9:08] <mdim> but hey, I'm an ex-Arch Linux user, so could be that things have changed in the meantime
[9:09] <tdy> i'm a current arch x86_64 user, and it's still current rolling release there
[9:09] <tdy> i just got my pi a couple days ago, so still new to arch ARM
[9:10] <mdim> I'm planning to put arch ARM as well on my RPi as soon as it arrives
[9:11] <tdy> i'm not even sure that bugzilla report is really the issue.. all the comments mention sony machines.. i'm just gonna get a couple more bluetooth dongles tomorrow
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[9:15] <mdim> tdy: is that the image released on Sep 18 this year?
[9:16] <tdy> yep archlinux-hf-2012-09-18
[9:16] <tdy> the kernel is called linux-raspberrypi http://archlinuxarm.org/packages?arch=&search=linux-raspberrypi
[9:17] <mdim> interesting
[9:17] <tdy> Build Date : Tue 20 Nov 2012 06:02:03 PM CST
[9:17] <tdy> from pacman
[9:17] <mdim> I thought packages would be up-to-date on Arch ARM
[9:18] <mdim> good to know...
[9:20] <mdim> tdy: as far as I can see, nothing newer than that here either: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/tree/master/core/linux-raspberrypi
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[9:22] <mdim> tdy: if you're adventurous enough, you can compile kernel on your own: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_Compilation
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[9:24] <tdy> well i do that on the pc, but it seems a bit different for ARM
[9:24] <tdy> http://wiki.analog.com/resources/tools-software/linux-drivers/input-misc/adxl345#adxl345_on_raspberry_pi_-_a_worked_example
[9:24] <tdy> i was planning to do that when my accelerometers came in
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[9:25] <tdy> but even then, the git sources for rpi kernel are still 3.2.*
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[9:29] <mdim> tdy: I posted a question at #archlinux-arm 16 minutes ago, but still no reply
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[9:31] <tdy> mdim: ah i see, thanks
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[9:33] <cdan> good morning
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[9:33] <tdy> http://xivilization.net/~marek/blog/2012/07/06/current-state-of-rasberry-pi-kernels/
[9:33] <tdy> mdim:
[9:37] <mdim> tdy: cool! thx for the link
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[10:37] <mrmoney2012> looking forward to getting hold of that camera
[10:37] <mrmoney2012> cheap cctv is born ?
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[10:48] * gordonDrogon waves.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> cheap?
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> not sure what planet you're on, but $35 for the Pi + $25 for the camera... then an enclosure if outside, then PSU, cabling, mounts, etc.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> there are ready made cameras with an ethernet socket for that price.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> or cheaper: e.g. http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=10703
[10:50] <mrmoney2012> hmmm ??????.. maybe you have a point !
[10:50] <mrmoney2012> still have a few ideas for tinkering with it though - combining it with gpio - fun!
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> the camera will be a great addition to the Pi though, but to use it to make a standalone 'webcam' .. really not so sure...
[10:51] <bircoe> I have a couple of the DCS-932L's, not exactly a specacular camera....
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> agreed, but sometimes if you want X, then get X, and not Y + Z + time to make them work...
[10:52] <bircoe> I'm using them with motion running on my NAS
[10:52] <bircoe> tis a way better arrangement than the built in software.
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[10:56] <mrmoney2012> bircoe: that's interesting - so motion detects the motion by connecting to the wifi webcams ?
[10:56] <mrmoney2012> what rez do you get ?
[10:57] <bircoe> the cams max at 640x480 and get about 7fps over wifi
[10:57] <mrmoney2012> ok??? yes every time i try webcams i get stuck at 640x480 - never higher
[10:57] <bircoe> faster via ethernet but theres no ethernet close to where they are mounted
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[10:57] <mrmoney2012> home plugs are great for that
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[10:57] <mrmoney2012> i use them all the time.
[10:58] <mrmoney2012> openelec xvmc pi in kitchen on homeplug another in lounge???. and pi for mucking about with on another homeplug
[10:58] <mrmoney2012> ethernet just removes that layer of complexity messing with wifi
[10:59] <mrmoney2012> but that said i plan to try a wifi pi at some stage
[10:59] <bircoe> most of my rooms have at minimum 1 ethernet port, some 3 or 4! but the cams are mounted high and I cbf running cables for data so wifi is fine!
[11:01] <scummos^> afaik those plugs do some terrible EM pollution :(
[11:01] <mrmoney2012> yes - i am a fan of running cable - but i'm not so good at splicing the ends ands and the modern house i'm in has no nice gaps to run it
[11:01] <scummos^> (in the net)
[11:01] <mrmoney2012> would rather have cable runs
[11:01] <bircoe> sucks for you :P we built this place so all the cables went in before the dry wall went up!
[11:03] <mrmoney2012> my $temp = (substr(@data[1], 29, 5)/1000.00); <- this works but stores the temp in the variable to three decimal places (i read it out later text to speech - works great :-)
[11:03] <mrmoney2012> however can anyone help me drop the last two decimals - i.e. 21.1 instead of 21.145 (sorry my coding is rubbish)
[11:04] <mrmoney2012> love the google text to speech thing by the way - brilliant quality - better than espeak.. (requires net connection)
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[11:05] <scummos^> i don't know perl
[11:05] <scummos^> in python you could do $temp[:-2]
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[11:07] <mrmoney2012> oh i see, in python that takes off the last two characters i guess
[11:07] <mrmoney2012> i will try and find perl equiv - thanks
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[11:09] <scummos^> yeah right
[11:09] <scummos^> you could also just use python -- it's cooler anyways! ;)
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[11:09] <mrmoney2012> i think i should dive in...
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[11:10] <mrmoney2012> i did a lot of RoR websites so know ruby a bit - might try that
[11:11] <scummos^> yeah ruby also seems to be nice
[11:11] <scummos^> nicer than perl, anyways
[11:14] <mrmoney2012> just realised - i don't simply want to chop off last characters - i need to round it
[11:14] <mrmoney2012> ie 20.875 is 20.9
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[11:16] <bircoe> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/178539/how-do-you-round-a-floating-point-number-in-perl
[11:19] <bircoe> the cop is in trouble....
[11:19] <bircoe> http://www.letslols.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WTF-did-i-just-see.jpg
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[11:28] <enr1x> hello everyone! is anyone having power issues with the RS AC to MicroUSB power adapter? could it be the source of choppy sound? i currently have a usb sound card (creative live go) connected to a d-link powered hub, but i suspect the raspberry pi still doesn't have enough power. could i be right?
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[11:28] <bircoe> unlikely
[11:28] <mrmoney2012> use a voltmeter to test power on TP1 and TP2
[11:29] <bircoe> there seems to be an issue with Raspbian and Creative USB sound cards...
[11:29] <enr1x> thanks for the tips, but i don't have any voltimeter handy (might as well buy one)
[11:29] <enr1x> bircoe: i am using arch linux arm
[11:29] <enr1x> the sound card works perfectly fine on other computers though
[11:29] <enr1x> (thanks for the replies by the way :) )
[11:29] <bircoe> My Creative X-Fi HD sounds exceptionaly horrible, constant noise
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[11:30] <bircoe> damnit... I was going to try Arch next to get that card working@
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[11:30] <enr1x> bircoe: besides this choppiness, everything works fine on arch, although i don't think the distro can have anything to do with the noise
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[11:31] <bircoe> I said Raspbian as the few instances I've seen of this were all Raspbian...
[11:31] <bircoe> I think it's more kernel/alsa issue
[11:32] <mrmoney2012> i am having great luck on arch with 3 quid ebay usb sound dongle thing
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[11:33] <mrmoney2012> 3.5 jack sound popped all the time - cowldn't sort it so went usb
[11:33] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: and what's the quality like?
[11:33] <mrmoney2012> fine
[11:33] <enr1x> i actually haven't even tried the jack sound
[11:33] <mrmoney2012> it plays bigben dongs on the hour at the moment and reads the temperature in the room
[11:33] <bircoe> fine is below my standard :P
[11:34] <mrmoney2012> was rubbish from 3.5 inch jack (on board) - lots of problems
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[11:34] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: that's a good use!
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[11:35] <mrmoney2012> haha??? yeah??? well I'm loving the tinkering
[11:35] <enr1x> bircoe: could you possible sample the noise and pops you are having? maybe we could compare them, to check if it's actually a kernel issue
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[11:36] <bircoe> going to bed now...
[11:36] <enr1x> good night bircoe
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[11:38] <mrmoney2012> errr - i'm not sure i'd recommend powering your pi using this method??? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20463857
[11:39] <enr1x> hahaha car battery and cans of petrol. jeez!
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> poor guy. probably quite sensible too - suspent it from the ceiling to reduce vibration.
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> the only real issue is fumes and storing petrol.
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> enr1x, what do you think cars have inside them ... ;-)
[11:40] <mrmoney2012> i think there might be a issues with that setup
[11:41] <mrmoney2012> interesting case - madmax!
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the idea - just the implementation.
[11:42] <enr1x> yep, might have been a weird implementation
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> we'll never know for sure as journalists basically lie these days just to "glam up" the story.
[11:42] <mrmoney2012> very true
[11:42] <l_h2o_l> Hi, guys, I hope you can help me, I made a mistake in my fstab file, and now eveything is read-only, I misstyped the "/" : //192.168.1.13/Download / cifs username=username,password=password 0 0
[11:43] <l_h2o_l> How can I delete this line :S since eveything is read-only?
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> take it out and fix it in another PC.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> failing that, try: mount -oremount, rw /
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> probably no space after the ,
[11:44] <scummos> the remount should be easier imo :)
[11:44] <enr1x> mount -o remount,rw / :)
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> failing that, try: mount -oremount,rw /
[11:46] <l_h2o_l> @ gordonDrogon mount -oremount,rw / worked like a charm!
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[11:52] <definity> anybody know about the GPIO here?
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[12:09] <BlackFate> i love the pink case which came along with the PI from RS
[12:10] <mrmoney2012> jeez - how does one find a simple "ding.wav" on the net from a url i can wget
[12:10] <mrmoney2012> grrr - all the searches come up with loads of rubbish "free wav" sites etc that are impossible to navigate / download from
[12:11] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: maybe it'd be a good idea to download a sound pack, like extra/kdeartwork-sounds
[12:11] <enr1x> wget'ing the source package perhaps?
[12:11] <mrmoney2012> that'd work
[12:12] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: or http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Gentle+System+Sounds?content=36537
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[12:12] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: http://www.bi-bo.net/Gentle_Sounds.tar.gz :)
[12:13] <mrmoney2012> perfect thanks - trying
[12:13] <enr1x> yay! i got rid of the sound pops!
[12:13] <enr1x> it just took some .asoundrc tweaking
[12:13] <enr1x> did the x-fi guy leave already?
[12:14] <mrmoney2012> ooo playing one of those makes a terrible noise??? they are ogg
[12:14] <mrmoney2012> will try another player
[12:14] <definity> freesoundproject.org
[12:14] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: oggdec should do the trick
[12:14] <enr1x> or ffmpeg even
[12:14] <bircoe> enr1x, back for a few mins... just checking on Dl's
[12:15] <bircoe> how did you fix it?
[12:15] <enr1x> bircoe: have a look at the sample asoundrc from http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Alsa
[12:15] <enr1x> i tried it now and the sound quality improved a lot
[12:15] <enr1x> there are no pops now, so i think the buffer size did the trick
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[12:15] <bircoe> the software mixer?
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[12:16] <enr1x> bircoe: looks like, yes
[12:17] <bircoe> i did try avarient of the softvol trick, didn't seem to make a difference, can you pastebin your working config?
[12:17] <enr1x> bircoe: even when stressing the rpi with several cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null threads the sound doesn't pop
[12:17] <enr1x> bircoe: indeed
[12:17] <enr1x> wait a tick
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[12:18] <enr1x> bircoe: http://sprunge.us/gfKc
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[12:19] <bircoe> thank you... I'll give that a go when my Pi isn't busy playing back The Dark Knight Rises :)
[12:19] <enr1x> bircoe: i am using a creative live go!
[12:19] <enr1x> bircoe: enjoy it!
[12:19] <mrmoney2012> 678ik./, mlp.<IJ)?o
[12:20] <bircoe> did you also do the module stuff to force USB to be the first card?
[12:20] <mrmoney2012> sorru
[12:20] <bircoe> enjoying it so far!
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[12:20] <enr1x> bircoe: actually i don't see the internal sound card, i might have to enable it by loading a module, but i prefer not having it
[12:20] <then4116> Hi #
[12:21] <bircoe> same... I want to disable it, perhaps i need to look into black listing it
[12:21] <enr1x> bircoe: and you can define the default sound card with the ctl.mixer setting in asoundrc
[12:21] <enr1x> hi then4116
[12:21] <then4116> Got my RasPi today :D
[12:21] <enr1x> congrats, then4116
[12:21] <then4116> and already have a question: Is it possible to start X through ssh?
[12:21] <enr1x> did you wait four months like me?
[12:22] <bircoe> then4116, you have to export the display first if trying to startx via ssh
[12:22] <then4116> enr1x: about half a year. Not mad though, because the upgrade to 512MB RAM happened in the meantime
[12:22] <bircoe> google it, the process is no different from any other *nix
[12:22] <enr1x> then4116: same here, worth the wait i think :)
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[12:23] <mrmoney2012> can't find ogg player.
[12:24] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: aptitude install vorbis-tools or ffmpeg?
[12:24] <enr1x> been ages since i last used debian
[12:24] <enr1x> pacman -S vorbis-tools on arch
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[12:25] <enr1x> you can convert the ogg files with ffmpeg like this: ffmpeg -i OGGFILE.ogg beep.wav
[12:26] <then4116> Hmmm... Actually, shouldn't I at least get a terminal when I connect my TV?
[12:26] <then4116> right now, there's no video output at all
[12:26] <bircoe> what distro?
[12:27] <then4116> Debian
[12:27] <then4116> or Raspbian, if you will
[12:27] <bircoe> you should do, was HDMI connected and display on before powering up the Pi?
[12:27] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: i just converted them like this: `for i in *ogg; do ffmpeg -i "$i" ${i%%.*}.wav; done`
[12:27] <bircoe> and secondly are you sure it's even booting?
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[12:28] <then4116> bircoe: fairly sure it's booting. Chatting from it right now via SSH
[12:28] <enr1x> those sounds are horrible by the way!
[12:28] <mrmoney2012> enr1x: i like the space countdown !
[12:28] <bircoe> so your chatting from it but only fairly sur e:P
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[12:28] <mrmoney2012> enr1x: any more links ?
[12:29] <then4116> not 100% sure the TV was on at boot time. Was connected though.
[12:29] <mrmoney2012> thanks for script
[12:29] <mrmoney2012> do i lose quality converting to wav ?
[12:29] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: nope
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[12:29] <bircoe> reboot it make sue HDMI is connected properly and powered on
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[12:29] <mrmoney2012> ok ta
[12:29] <bircoe> you may need to use some of the info from the wiki regarding HDMI problems
[12:29] <mrmoney2012> brb
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[12:29] <then4116> OK, rebooting..
[12:30] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[12:30] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: you don't lose quality converting from lossy to lossless
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[12:30] <enr1x> you do when doing the opposite
[12:30] <bircoe> dude... he's gone :P
[12:30] <enr1x> yeah just saw that :P
[12:30] <enr1x> d'oh!
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[12:30] <bircoe> :)
[12:30] * CelticTurnip lobs back in
[12:30] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[12:31] <bircoe> phew... was beginning to think one of those gigantic drop bears got you!
[12:31] <CelticTurnip> nah, like I said staying indoors until they're all dead :)
[12:32] <CelticTurnip> hammering the refersh button on NetBSD.org waiting for an official Pi install :)
[12:32] <bircoe> I'll be doing the same when the zombie plague hits
[12:32] <bircoe> arm myself with chainsaws and hedge trimmers
[12:32] <CelticTurnip> I've got nail clippers, I'll probably be the first 1 to die :D
[12:32] <CelticTurnip> ... then come back
[12:32] <CelticTurnip> BRAINZ!
[12:33] <bircoe> HAH
[12:33] <definity> anyone here know about the GPIO
[12:33] <bircoe> speaking ofwhich first season of The Walking Dead on BD is almost finished!
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[12:34] <bircoe> Yep, it stands for General Purpose Input Output.
[12:34] <definity> Have you read the BCM2835 datasheet?
[12:34] * CelticTurnip smells BOFH
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[12:35] <bircoe> no...
[12:35] <then4116> OK, so it was that
[12:35] <definity> I'm confused becuase on page 103 the GPIO goes all the way upto 53 but their are only 26 pins?
[12:35] <then4116> thanks bircoe
[12:35] <bircoe> definity, how are you confused?
[12:36] <bircoe> they obviously chose not to break all of them out, plus some of them are used for other purposes, like sound, the CSI and DSI connectors etc
[12:37] <bircoe> check the schematics for the Pi if you want a better idea of what is going on...
[12:37] <bircoe> your welcome then4116... it's always something simple :)
[12:37] <definity> Well i checked a basic one that was labeled
[12:37] <bircoe> some of the time.
[12:38] <then4116> bircoe: now I gotta figure out how to get rid of LXDE and run Xfce instead...
[12:38] <definity> So the other 28 pins are being used internally?
[12:38] <bircoe> sudo apt-get remove lxde*
[12:38] <bircoe> :)
[12:39] <bircoe> definity, some of them yes... i haven't examined the schematic and compared it to the datasheet so i couldn't say which and how many...
[12:40] <definity> Oh okay i found it
[12:40] <CelticTurnip> oooh! FreeBSD images for Pi!
[12:40] * CelticTurnip \o/s
[12:40] <definity> from GPIO28 - GPIO53 is controlling the sd card and transfering data
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[12:41] <bircoe> CelticTurnip, link me up, I better see what this BSD crap is about
[12:41] <_panzersajt> Hy! I have installed Raspbmc on my raspberry pi and would like to connect my dualshock 3 controller to it. I have followed this tutorial http://booting-rpi.blogspot.ro/2012/08/dualshock-3-and-raspberry-pi.html and installed the whole system twice but I still can't get it connected. It hangs when asks for ps button press.
[12:42] <CelticTurnip> http://kernelnomicon.org/
[12:42] <bircoe> _panzersajt, I'll assume you have a USB BT dongle connected?
[12:42] <_panzersajt> bircoe, yes that's right
[12:43] <_panzersajt> and directly connected
[12:43] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: if you're new to BSD probably better to try it on something fully supported ;)
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[12:43] <bircoe> don't make me install BSD in a VM :P
[12:44] <bircoe> atleast with the Pi if I don't like it I can wipe the SD card and use it for something else!
[12:44] <CelticTurnip> :)
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[12:45] <bircoe> _panzersajt, so every other step in the guide returned the expected results?
[12:45] <_panzersajt> yes
[12:45] <_panzersajt> I'm using raspbian distro
[12:45] <_panzersajt> not
[12:45] <_panzersajt> raspbmc
[12:45] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: I'm assuming you don't want to build your own OS from source, so here you go http://ingmar.s3.amazonaws.com/freebsd-pi/bsd-pi-20121030-1814.img.bz2
[12:46] <bircoe> maybe try compiling the sixd tools again if theres a newer version try it
[12:46] <_panzersajt> no there's no new version
[12:46] <bircoe> nice assumption CelticTurnip :)
[12:46] <bircoe> thanks
[12:46] <bircoe> 73mb... that's lite, assume no Desktop Environment?
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[12:47] <CelticTurnip> the FreeBSD base system doesn't include X
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[12:47] <bircoe> I wish there were more distros for Pi like that :)
[12:48] <bircoe> there should be a Rasbian minus X and all other crap
[12:48] <chris_99> Gentoo?
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[12:48] <bircoe> I'm scared of Gentoo :P
[12:48] <mrmoney2012> enr1x: any more sound packs ?
[12:48] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: personally I'm just glad there's real work happening with the BSDs now... I'd much prefer OpenBSD over FreeBSD but that's never going to happen :)
[12:49] <mrmoney2012> enr1x: I'm looking for a simple system beep / chime etc mainly
[12:49] <chris_99> it's actually quite nice once you get used to it bircoe
[12:49] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: i found a nice one here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/%22Borealis%22+sound+theme?content=12584
[12:49] <CelticTurnip> bircoe: I hope you're joking, because FreeBSD is like Gentoo on crack ;)
[12:49] <bircoe> LOL
[12:49] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: you'll find nice chimes and beeps there
[12:49] <bircoe> now your just trying to scare me!
[12:49] <chris_99> oh is FreeBSD from source too CelticTurnip
[12:49] <bircoe> well back to batman
[12:50] <CelticTurnip> chris_99: of course, Gentoo is like a cheap rip off of the ideas of the BSDs
[12:50] <bircoe> HAHAHAHA
[12:50] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: for i in *ogg; do ffmpeg -i "$i" ${i%%.*}.wav; done (to convert the ogg files to wav)
[12:50] <mrmoney2012> that works - how do i get to a direct download url
[12:50] <chris_99> oh didn't realise that. How is driver support though in BSD
[12:50] <mrmoney2012> to wget it
[12:50] <mrmoney2012> the buttons don't link to the pack itslef
[12:51] <definity> You know anything about the /dev folder in Raspian
[12:51] <mrmoney2012> i'm sure there's a way to discover the direct link in a browser
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[12:51] <CelticTurnip> chris_99: as long as it has network and a command line I've got all I need :)
[12:51] <CelticTurnip> I have no interest in X at all
[12:51] <chris_99> haha
[12:51] <chris_99> what about webbrowsing
[12:51] <l_h2o_l> How can I see the gid of a group in debian?
[12:52] <CelticTurnip> chris_99: I don't use *nix boxes as home computers, all of my BSD boxes are servers
[12:52] <chris_99> ah, i use Gentoo as my main computer
[12:52] <chris_99> and debian on my VPS
[12:52] <enr1x> mrmoney2012: http://ico.bukvic.net/Linux/Borealis_soundtheme/Borealis_sound_theme-0.9a.tar.bz2
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[12:53] <CelticTurnip> I pretty much use OpenBSD for most stuff, and for file servers FreeBSD+ZFS
[12:53] <enr1x> that's aready in wav
[12:53] <bircoe> OMG... Rovio stole the idea for Angry Birds from Charlie Sheen!
[12:53] <chris_99> aha
[12:53] <bircoe> http://www.reallyghey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/demotivational-posters-angry-birds1.jpg
[12:53] <CelticTurnip> I just use a MacBook Air with iTerm/tmux to connect to them all
[12:53] <mrmoney2012> works ta
[12:53] <chris_99> i like ipfw, potentially better than iptables
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[12:54] <CelticTurnip> in the BSD world we use pf now ;)
[12:54] <chris_99> oh heh
[12:54] <chris_99> (i've only used an ipfw port on windows a while back)
[12:54] <CelticTurnip> FreeBSD moved to OpenBSDs PF years ago :)
[12:54] <chris_99> ah
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[12:55] <CelticTurnip> except they use an old version, different syntax... nice and confusing
[12:55] <chris_99> heh, that's rather odd
[12:55] <CelticTurnip> OpenBSD is constantly in development, if the developers don't think something is right they'll change it, it takes a while for the other guys to catch up
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[12:56] <chris_99> which BSD is, it that says only X remote exploits...?
[12:56] <mrmoney2012> enr1x: perfect pack - ta
[12:56] <CelticTurnip> OpenBSD
[12:56] <chris_99> i can't seem to find that mention anymore on their site
[12:57] <_panzersajt> bircoe, so no more ideas?
[12:57] <chris_99> nvm found it
[12:57] <CelticTurnip> "Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!"
[12:57] <chris_99> what services does the default install actually have
[12:57] <chris_99> running
[12:57] <CelticTurnip> running? out of the box? ssh :P
[12:57] <chris_99> haha
[12:58] <bircoe> _panzersajt, the only idea I have is going back to the lounge room and unpausing Batman.
[12:58] <chris_99> i bet you could claim the same for linux
[12:58] <CelticTurnip> if you asked what it incldudes in the base system it's a hell of a long list
[12:58] <CelticTurnip> the 2 remote holes are in the whole base system, not just an OS running openssh
[12:58] <_panzersajt> bircoe, :D ok thanks
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[12:59] <CelticTurnip> the base system includes httpd, nginx, Xenocara (OpenBSDs X), and a hell of a lot more... the audited base system is pretty damn good.
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> why make bread when you can make cake.
[13:00] * gordonDrogon is making scones...
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> sort of cake...
[13:00] <chris_99> what do you mean by 'audited base system'
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[13:01] <[SkG]> Minecraft PE derivated version for RPi incoming https://twitter.com/danfrisk/status/272306586591043584
[13:01] <chris_99> surely minecraft wouldn't work very well on the RPI as theres no 3d acceleration is there
[13:02] <CelticTurnip> chris_99: it's the big difference between GNU/Linux and *BSD... a BSD base system includes the kernel, userland, and X (in OpenBSD) - all of this is made and audited by the BSD team... GNU/Linux on the other hand is the Linux kernel, and a bunch of random stuff that makes a distro
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[13:02] <chris_99> ah ineresting
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[13:03] <chris_99> shouldn't it be GNU/BSD ;) ?
[13:03] <chris_99> what with using the gcc, compiler presumably
[13:03] <bircoe> chris_99, of course theres 3D accel in the Pi...
[13:03] <CelticTurnip> never heard of clang?
[13:03] <CelticTurnip> obviously not :P
[13:04] <chris_99> oh i have, heard of clang, i didn't know they used that though
[13:04] <CelticTurnip> BSDs are BSDs, there are limited GNU tools mainly available through ports
[13:04] <chris_99> they haven't always used clang have they
[13:05] <CelticTurnip> of course not
[13:05] <CelticTurnip> the systems are constantly evolving, if it wasn't for the GPLv3 they'd probably keep using GNU tools happily
[13:05] <chris_99> ah, i don't know much about GPL3
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[13:06] <chris_99> what's the issue with that?
[13:06] <CelticTurnip> in the end it comes down to the idea of the BSD license that you can use code as binary only if you want
[13:07] <CelticTurnip> for example, some company wants to develop a network appliance with openssh they don't need to include the source for openssh
[13:07] <CelticTurnip> or Apple's OS X using FreeBSDs userland
[13:07] <chris_99> ah yeah, for GPL you need to release the source of any modifications you mean?
[13:09] <CelticTurnip> yeah, personally I don't care 1 way or the other. I just use BSDs because they make more sense to me. :)
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[13:13] <gordonDrogon> sconious(n): Person who excels at scone making.
[13:14] <CelticTurnip> :)
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[13:20] <luc4> Hi! Anyone who was able to recompile omxplayer?
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[13:26] <gordonDrogon> and when they're scone, they're scone!
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> They're scone )-:
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[13:33] <scummos> wow, this soldering paste stuff is really worth its money
[13:34] <scummos> makes SMD soldering almost trivial ;)
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> might give it a go for my next pcb project...
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> I need to stick an SMT ATmega down.
[13:35] <scummos> okay
[13:36] <scummos> I just soldered a 10DFN magnetometer with it, 0.4mm pin spacing -- no problem at all
[13:36] <scummos> well I didn't test it yet but it looks good
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> although I've watched a few videos of people soldering QFPs with an ordinary iron and solder..
[13:36] <scummos> certainly possible, but I don't have the necessary skill ;)
[13:37] <scummos> also, it's probably not worth it
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> did you use a hot air gun?
[13:37] <Yotson> 'if it sticks, it fits.' XD
[13:37] <scummos> I used that preheater I posted recently
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> ok
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> thinking of getting an air gun thing.
[13:39] <scummos> this preheater thing was also really worth its money
[13:39] <scummos> 45 euros
[13:39] <scummos> and it works just fine for soldering stuff
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> what temp does it go up to?
[13:40] <scummos> up to 350C
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. my combi microwave thing goes to 200... (what I just cooked my scones in!)
[13:41] <scummos> a microwave! are you crazy :D
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> I didn't microwave scones!
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> It has an IR heater and fan, so works like a fan oven type of thing as well as a grill with different settings.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> so it will microwave, grill, or fan oven (or do fan oven and microwave at the same time)
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[13:43] <scummos> ah, alright
[13:43] <scummos> well the huge advantage of this preheater is that it's so quick
[13:43] <Yotson> yeah, although the cheap version we got here can do it all badly. Like often with do-all boxes.
[13:43] <scummos> it can heat your board to 300C in ~1 minute, and it can also cool it down again
[13:43] <scummos> (you can turn off the heater without turning off the fan)
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> so much for 220C for 10 seconds ... :)
[13:44] <scummos> the air heats up fast
[13:44] <scummos> the board needs some more time
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> it heats from underneath?
[13:44] <scummos> yes
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> so I guess you turn on the heat, & fan and when you see the solder paste start to flow, turn off the heat?
[13:45] <scummos> yep, like that
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> and presumably it would do a whole board at once?
[13:45] <scummos> altough from my experience it can be very bad to turn off heat too early
[13:45] <scummos> nah, the air blowout is pretty small
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[13:45] <scummos> about 6x6 centimetres or similar will be heated at once
[13:45] * gordonDrogon nods.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> I might try with the hot air gun to start with.
[13:46] <scummos> sure
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> a place I work locally has a rework bench so I'll go & have a play with theirs.
[13:46] <scummos> ah, cool
[13:47] <scummos> yeah a hot-air gun is surely the more professional way of doing things...
[13:47] <scummos> but this was cheaper ;)
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> and a friend bought one of these recently: http://labtronix.co.uk/drupal/shop/soldering/898bdplus
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> and says it's really good too.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> so that's affordbale.
[13:48] <scummos> yeah, sort of
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> and I really need a new soldering iron - I think my old one ought to be in a museum...
[13:49] <scummos> yeah you showed photos of it already :D
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> hehe...
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> I've had it 35 years... and it was 2nd-hand when I bought it.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> hm. the Pi having such a hige range of screen resolutions makes writing little games somewhat intersting...
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> especially in my naive little way in basic..
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> anyone want a programmable virtual xmas tree light system - programmed in CESIL ?
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/tree.png
[13:52] <chris_99> CESIL?
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/row0.csl
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, yep. fraid so.
[13:53] <scummos> uh-oh
[13:53] <scummos> do you guy know QML? ;)
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> never heard of it.
[13:53] <chris_99> how's your interpreter work, gordonDrogon
[13:53] <chris_99> what kind of parser is it, i mean
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, the basic is fine - so I wrote a cesil interpreter in it...
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/rtb-download-and-install/
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> cesil interperer: https://git.drogon.net/?p=cesil;a=blob;f=cesil.rtb
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, Ah, you mean what type of parser is it?
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> to which the answer is: one I made up as I went along.
[13:58] <chris_99> yeah what type
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[13:59] <aaa801> Anyone know if its possible to install ubuntu to a udf usb drive?
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> I'm not really an expert on compiler/parsing algorithms, etc.
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[13:59] <gordonDrogon> the program is tokenised into a sort of virtual 16-bit machine, then interpreted at run-time.
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> it's not like olde-fashioned basics in that I also build up a symbol tables of variables and procedures/functions.
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[14:00] <chris_99> you could even JIT it ;)
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> so looking them up at run-time is quick - all numbers are pre-converted into binary, etc.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> one thing that could be improved is converting expressions into RPN - that could be pre-done, or JIT'd and cache the resulting RPN stack for the next time...
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> that's pretty standard shunting yard stuff - which is quick, but could be quicker...
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> I could do more syntax checking at program entry time to remove the (small) over head at run-time, but it's diminishing returns here.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> and I'm sort of happy the way it is - it's a shade slower than python and a lot quicker than PHP when I fed a benchmark into it.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> but C is 100 times faster on the same benchmark ...
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> which makes it a crying shame when I see my clients writing 1000's of lines of PHP then asking me why the web server is going so slow )-:
[14:05] <scummos> benchmarking python vs php is actually quite impossible
[14:05] <scummos> it's not that one is faster than the other...
[14:05] <scummos> they're just fast at doing different things
[14:06] <scummos> if you do a long of string formatting and concatenating and printing for example, php is way faster than python
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> actually, TBH, a lot of the waiting with my clients stuff is fetching out of a database... that wouldn't really improve by much at all if it were written in C.
[14:06] <chris_99> get them to use HipHop PHP, gordonDrogon ;)
[14:07] <scummos> yes that's also my experience
[14:07] <scummos> most of time spent on a webserver is for waiting for the db
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, intersting - I'd heard of that project, but didn't realise it was now go/public.
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> I have actually run my basic as a cgi back-end - just as a bit of a hack to see if I could...
[14:08] <chris_99> heh
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> and a friend is trying to get me to add in sqlite support, but really... I did associative arrays for him, but think I might draw the line at sqlite...
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> foo$ ("hello, world") = "Hello, universe"
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> is valid.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm trying to get that xmas tre thing in cesil in Decembers MagPi.
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[14:11] <scummos> ah I wanted to tell about QML :D
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that most people won't bother fetching the code though.
[14:11] <scummos> QML is the qt markup language
[14:11] <scummos> it's incredibly nice for making 2D UIs
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> scummos, I did a quick google on it.
[14:11] <scummos> or drawing animated stuff
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> is qt acellerated on the pi?
[14:11] <scummos> i think QML uses openGL ES
[14:12] <scummos> which is supported on the pi
[14:12] <scummos> so theoretically --yes
[14:12] <scummos> in practice, I don't know ;)
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> don't really have time to really look right now though.
[14:15] <scummos> yeah, if you don't want to do something with it, it's not worth it
[14:15] <scummos> but in case you want to do nice animated UI one day... you might remember it :)
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> and I might do it in basic too :)
[14:16] <scummos> yeah but...! it's like hundred times less effort in QML (in case you want animations etc.)
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> very probably :)
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> seems to be some intersst in riscOs & ye olde bbc basic too...
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> but I saw something that I suspect in these enlightened days might just make kids turn their backs immediately )-:
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> FORN%=1TO324000:SYS&58F81,24,1:SYS&58F81,24,0:NEXT:S%=TIME-T%
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> *sigh*
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> yes, it might be fast, but what does it mean. If I want to write code like that, I'll go & program WITCH.
[14:19] <Neutron18> why oh why does the USB stuff have to be so unstable on the pi :(
[14:20] <Neutron18> I only trust the pi as a toy, and not something that can be put to a real task where reliable hardware is needed
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> Neutron18, you paid toy money for it.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> remembe it was designed to a budget and that includes the SoC inside it - which was designed to be "good enough" but really not much more for the average set to box ...
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> so I actually think the work the people who're doing hte kernel stuff on it is bloody marvelous to get it to do what it's currently doing, but yes, there are still some deficiecies.
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> but it's good enough for the majority - keyboard & mouse - fine. etc.
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[14:23] <Neutron18> I have the thing plugged into a powered USB hub where I have an RF receiver for my wireless mouse and keyboard, and a wifi dongle
[14:24] <Neutron18> after a few reboots and unplugging/replugging it will work fine for a long time, but then if I leave it on overnight, it's usually dead by the morning
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> so... See if you can capture any backtraces, logs, etc. and feed them back to the people who're doing the USB.
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[14:26] <scummos> woo, it's detected on the i2c bus!
[14:26] * scummos is happy
[14:27] <Neutron18> I don't mean to whine and complain, it's just that the thing would have been brilliant as a little dedicated box to do small things where a full computer would have been too expensive.. such as now when I am setting them up as a network IR repeater to remotely control my satellite decoder.. but then the question is, can I trust the pi at home to actually work when I am far away and need to switch channels?
[14:27] <scummos> the pi itself is very reliable
[14:28] <scummos> you just need to worry about software, network connection, power supply
[14:28] <Neutron18> and I think power supply is where it fails :P
[14:29] <Neutron18> I left the multimeter in my car so I haven't checked the voltage on the test points with this MicroUSB adapter from RS components
[14:29] <Neutron18> but I won't complain too loudly, it may not be a power issue at all :>
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[14:30] <Neutron18> what happens is every once in a while when I try to boot it, I get flooded with messages saying "reset high-speed USB device using dwc_otg", and it keeps doing that until I unplug the USB hub altogether
[14:31] <Neutron18> then I can wait until the pi boots and try plugging it back in, and it may power up a few of the devices connected to it, then if I unplug and replug each of those one at a time they all get up and running
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> not easy if you're remote though.
[14:37] <Neutron18> I won't need any devices connected to it once it's set up correctly though
[14:37] <Neutron18> hmm looks like my SD card has become corrupted :(
[14:37] <Neutron18> time for reimaging then :P
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[15:01] <scummos> anyone familiar with i2c here?
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> not yet )-:
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> another thing on my to-do list.
[15:05] <lee> *really* looking forward to the camera addon, saves buggering about with the hack I have which requires a larger project box than I wanted
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[15:15] <scummos> mh
[15:15] <scummos> everything about this magnetometer works... execpt for the magnetic field sensors
[15:15] <scummos> it even reports the chip temperature
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[15:21] <scummos> ah now it works
[15:21] <scummos> cool ;)
[15:22] <chris_99> i'm curious how those electronic compass dealios work
[15:22] <chris_99> do they use the hall effect
[15:23] <scummos> actually I don't know
[15:23] <scummos> let me look it up
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[15:27] <chris_99> apparently some do, but theres _loads_ of different types http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetometer
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> also lookup fluxgate compasses and MEMS sensors ... it's an interesting area of micro mechanicals and widgetry.
[15:28] <scummos> chris_99: I personally would guess that the hall effect needs a little bit stronger fields
[15:29] <scummos> than 0.1uT
[15:29] <scummos> for such a small chip
[15:29] <chris_99> i'm playing with hall effect sensors and neodyium magnets and PIC chips
[15:29] <scummos> this is the data sheet
[15:29] <scummos> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1624886.pdf
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[15:33] <scummos> hm does anyone know how I can get a repeated start condition with the i2c kernel driver?
[15:33] <chris_99> fluxgate must relate to the flux capacitor!
[15:33] <scummos> what kind of ioctl do I have to do?
[15:38] <scummos> gordonDrogon: does wiring pi support i2c? ;)
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> scummos, no...
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> not yet anyway.
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> but from what I've seen it's not that hard to use, so not sure how I'll 'support' it as it were - maybe like SPI - which again is easy to use directly, but I procided some easy to use 'wrapper' round the main things.
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[15:56] <anildigital> what are possibilities of projects with raspberry pi and aruduino uno device?
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[15:57] <Neutron18> just about anything. the pi has a limited number of IO pins, and can't do analog inputs/outputs, but it has much more resources than an arduino
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> anildigital, the world is your bivalve...
[15:58] <BlueChip> Does anyone know what audio is generated when test_mode is enable (in config.txt)?
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[15:59] <mumbles> herm havent played with my pie for a while
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[16:00] <artag> the arduino i2c library is a bit limiting (eg it can't do things like repeated starts) so not a good model for WiringPi
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I guess I'm not really a big fan of I2c mysef - probably why I've not gotten round it it yet..
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> however all I'll be doing is providing easy wrappers round what the linux kernel provides - like I did with SPI.
[16:02] <artag> no, i prefer spi. simpler and more reliable
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I've no intention whatsoever to go and start bit-banging the hardware directly.
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[16:03] <BlueChip> Does anyone here have a known-working RPi and able to test "test_mode" for me please? ...My unit is NOT connected via HDMI
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> what does test_mode do?
[16:04] <BlueChip> "test_mode enable test sound/image during boot for manufacturing test."
[16:04] <BlueChip> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> I have no 3.5mm audio capability that I can easily hook up, so pointless..
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[16:06] <BlueChip> also: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=h4odLCArZAEC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=raspberry+pi+%22test+mode%22&source=bl&ots=FICgOahXMk&sig=293vM1j_pSFqQBmNhGKPSmPZAXY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pd-wUKrTAY-3hAfA6YDIBg&sqi=2&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=raspberry%20pi%20%22test%20mode%22&f=false
[16:06] <BlueChip> :(
[16:07] <BlueChip> Could you test it via HDMI and tell me if it "just beeps" or "plays a constant tone" please?
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> ok. hang on.
[16:07] <BlueChip> thank you
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> nothing happens.
[16:10] <BlueChip> no audio at all?
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> I tried both test_mode=1 and test_mode=true
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> no boop.
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> no beep either
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> normal hdmi video.
[16:10] <BlueChip> hmmm, thank you
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[16:10] <BlueChip> you got the test pattern OK?
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> no
[16:10] <BlueChip> oh
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> but my TV often msses that.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> it takes a second or 2 to 'wake up' again on a reboot.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> so I rarely see the big colour square.
[16:11] <BlueChip> righty - and the display is there-and-gone quite quickly :(
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> the display is 'normal' to me.
[16:12] <BlueChip> I guess I will add "write a test kernel.img" to my todo list :)
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[16:13] <BlueChip> In the mean time I guess "install XBMC" is the workaround <sigh> ....many thanks dude :)
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[16:17] <scummos> gordonDrogon: yeah, I need a somewhat special feature and none of the libraries I look at has it ;)
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> scummos, is it supported by the kernel driver at all?
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[16:28] <scummos> gordonDrogon: apparently, because i2cget works just fine
[16:29] <scummos> i.e. i2cget supports it
[16:29] <scummos> I'll just work my way through the icotls then ;)
[16:29] <scummos> ioctls
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[16:42] <eni23> is it possible to add deb-multimedia to wheezy raspian?
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[16:44] <BlueChip> "apt-cache search" maybe?
[16:46] <garo> I want to make a backup with "dd" of my sd-card but without turning of my pi. I guess this should be give good results if i could tell the kernel not to sync when it wants to write to a file on the sd-card . (i already turned off the swap)
[16:47] <garo> any opinions on whether this is a good/bad idea or how i should tell it not to sync ?
[16:48] <BlueChip> </confused> ...dd backup without turning on pi ...how will you run dd (or anything for that) with no power connected to the computer?
[16:48] <scummos> you cant
[16:48] <garo> off
[16:48] <scummos> oh off
[16:48] <scummos> right
[16:49] <scummos> garo: mount all filesystems readonly
[16:49] <scummos> then it should work
[16:49] <BlueChip> ah!
[16:49] <BlueChip> where will you store the result of the dd ?
[16:49] <garo> i don't think the system will like that if even / is ro
[16:50] <BlueChip> of=???
[16:50] <garo> i would send it over the network to another system with netcat
[16:50] <BlueChip> right
[16:50] <eni23> garo: best is to do dd with unmounted device otherwise you may got errors that the dump was not unmounted correctly
[16:50] <scummos> garo: I think it does not like remount it ro...
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[16:51] <eni23> garo: just use rsync scp or something sililar for backup :9
[16:52] <BlueChip> That will only backup files, not the SD content
[16:52] <eni23> BlueChip: so what?
[16:53] <BlueChip> i guess "I want a backup of my sd card" does not mean "i want a backup of my files" :/
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[16:53] <eni23> BlueChip: its nearly the same except partitions :)
[16:53] <BlueChip> nearly != ==
[16:55] <eni23> eg on servers nobody does a dd of an mounted drive they use rsync or so because its not that hard to recreate partitions. otherwise just clone the sdcard with an sd-card reader
[16:55] <garo> ok i think i'm going to go for something between: a dd of the beginning of the card and /boot (i can umount that pretty safe) and rsync the rest
[16:56] <eni23> garo: yup its a good way to backup an active system
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[16:57] <eni23> does anyone has runned an raspi for a few months whitout turning it off?
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[17:01] <_panzersajt> Hy! I have installed Raspbmc on my raspberry pi and would like to connect my dualshock 3 controller to it. I have followed this tutorial http://booting-rpi.blogspot.ro/2012/08/dualshock-3-and-raspberry-pi.html and installed the whole system twice but I still can't get it connected. It hangs when asks for ps button press.
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[17:01] <BlueChip> reboot - look in /var/log/syslog and with a bit of luck the problem will be listed :)
[17:02] <BlueChip> I assume by "hang" you mean "needs a reboot"?
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[17:03] <sutterCane> i hae a strange sound problem. the volume is _realy_ low and i cant change it in the alsamixer. any ideas?
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[17:04] <_panzersajt> BlueChip, not exactly
[17:04] <_panzersajt> nothing happens after press ps button
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[17:04] <BlueChip> Ah. Then my thought is probably worth discarding :/
[17:05] <_panzersajt> this is my second installation
[17:06] <_panzersajt> started again to ensure no old config file remained on pi
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[17:07] <mrmoney2012> gordon - gpio: error while loading shared libraries: libwiringPi.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:07] <mrmoney2012> any clues ?
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> arch?
[17:07] <mrmoney2012> yes
[17:08] <mrmoney2012> Followed your build instructions - git cloned first
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> you need to add /usr/local/lib into /etc/ld.so.conf
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> then run ldconfig
[17:08] <mrmoney2012> simple as ? just add that line and ldconfig...
[17:08] <mrmoney2012> ok, thnks tryin
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> I think do.
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> this is an annoyance - debian has that in as standard )-:
[17:09] <mrmoney2012> ok.. hmmm i see lines in it like include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> I might just start sticking it in /usr/lib and be done with it.
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> yes, you can add a file there if you want to, but just add it on the end for now.
[17:10] <mrmoney2012> so hess syntax for me is...include /usr/local/lib/*.conf
[17:10] <mrmoney2012> does that sound right ?
[17:10] <mrmoney2012> hess = guess
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> no -
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> just add one line to the end: /usr/local/lib
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> nothing else.
[17:10] <mrmoney2012> oh - ok??? gotcha
[17:10] <mrmoney2012> tryin
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> if you like, you could create a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d called (e.g.) local.conf and put the single line /usr/local/lib in that file...
[17:11] <mrmoney2012> seems to work now - thanks - now to try my circuit??? hmmm
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> debian has a file called: libc.conf there which has: /usr/local/lib in it.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> ok :)
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> I might make the make install cleverer..
[17:12] <mrmoney2012> blooming heck' it works :-)
[17:13] <mrmoney2012> thanks golden dragon!
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[17:13] <mrmoney2012> did a quick test??? i do gpio read 0
[17:13] <mrmoney2012> reads 0
[17:13] <mrmoney2012> then i press the button held down ??? reissue command and I get a 1
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[17:14] <mrmoney2012> who'd have thought a simple switch could bring so much joy ! - now to get it to read me the temperature when i press it
[17:14] <mrmoney2012> or something...
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[17:18] <eni23> just for information: its not possible to use every package of deb-multimedia, seems its compiled for a different instruction set of armel
[17:19] <mrmoney2012> hmmm, pin='gpio read 0' <- this line in my script not working moans about ./switch.sh: line 9: [gpio read 0: command not found
[17:20] <mrmoney2012> yet gpio read 0 is fine on command line
[17:20] <x29a> did you intent to use backticks?
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[17:21] <mrmoney2012> hmmm- think you might be onto something - am trying different tick
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[17:23] <mrmoney2012> sorry - what is the correct tick to use in such a circumstance ?
[17:23] <mrmoney2012> ' " `
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[17:23] <mrmoney2012> context is this pin="gpio read 0"
[17:23] <scummos> hm
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[17:23] <scummos> in the kernel there's a i2c_smbus_read_byte_data function which does what I want
[17:24] <scummos> I guess I cannot call that from user space? ;)
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[17:26] <mrmoney2012> working.. woot.
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, have a look at the tuxx.sh code, but it shouds like you're sorted now.
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> Hm. noticing someone wanting to use riscos because they think linux can't do multithreading )-:
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[17:27] <zleap> hmm
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[17:27] <zleap> riscos is fine as long as you can find the software for it i guess
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[17:28] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: thanks - will take a look - yes all sorted now :-)
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> zleap, yea sure, but it's intersting that no-one is telling him that Linux is perfectly capable of doing what he needs to do. Oh well, I guess the riscos community needs all the members they can get ;-)
[17:30] <zleap> is this on the forums ?
[17:30] <zleap> gordonDrogon, yeah but its like asking a hardcore emacsd fan to admit that vi can do the same job
[17:31] <ukscone> zleap: you mean vi can wash dishes and iron your clothes too?
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> zleap, yea on the forums.
[17:31] <chris_99> vim is so much prettier than emacs
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm wondering if the foundation might consider "jumping ship" to riscos as it's now looking very usable...
[17:32] <zleap> my point is one camp isn't going to recommend something other than what they say is better
[17:32] <zleap> gordonDrogon, hmm
[17:32] <chris_99> so, what is the advantage of riscos
[17:33] <zleap> not sure its written for arm from the ground up
[17:33] <zleap> so i guess that is one advantage
[17:33] <zleap> been around for years, too,
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[17:34] <ukscone> zleap: one advantage is a lot of us older bods were brought up on riscos (not me as it appeared after i left school) so a lot of ingrained knowledge
[17:34] <zleap> yeah
[17:34] <zleap> same as with linux really as that has unix roots
[17:34] <ukscone> zleap: it's mostly nostalgia and that it works in a different way
[17:34] <zleap> yeah
[17:35] <zleap> and it has basic built in
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> I bought an Arc after my Beeb was stolen, but by then I was doing too much with Unix that it was nothing more than a cute toy.
[17:35] <zleap> now what we need is for them to get rtb built in :D
[17:35] <ukscone> zleap: in theory they could put an eprom on the raspi pcb and boot riscos with no sd card
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> I did write some program with it - mostly fancy screen savers..
[17:36] <ukscone> one of my friends did very well hacking vax's and JANET using his archimedes, much better than i did with my olivetti laptop
[17:36] <zleap> ah janet, i remember that being mentioned years ago, joint academic network
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[17:37] <artag> riscos has no following outside the UK though, and linux has exploded in the 15 years since Acorn died
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[17:38] <zleap> we need to be careful we don't end up teaching one OS, we need to give people a range of skills
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[17:38] <mrmoney2012> hmmm - weird .. was working - reboot and now the pin seems to be floating...
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> activat ea pulll up/down?
[17:39] <mrmoney2012> but i do i have gpio mode 0 down .. at the top of my script before the infinite lloop
[17:39] <artag> does moern riscos still have the residue of Arthur in it ? I haven't used it since riscos 3
[17:39] <artag> *modern
[17:40] <zleap> so what version we up to now then
[17:40] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: i thought that's what did it - the gpio mode 0 down ??? thought that sorted it
[17:40] * zleap has a archemedies manual, so it may come in handy for riscOS
[17:41] <artag> not sure what it's called really. riscos 3 is 26 bit
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> how is the button connected?
[17:41] <ukscone> zleap: the one on the raspi is 5 but there is a v6 for people who are paying for it but not for the raspi
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[17:41] <mrmoney2012> aha - how yer asking !
[17:41] <zleap> ok cool
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[17:41] <ukscone> zleap: iirc v6 is just for the risc pc or the lonyx
[17:42] <mrmoney2012> well - wiring pi pin 0 to reistors to physical pin 1 (3.3v)
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> yes, activate the pull down.
[17:43] <mrmoney2012> got my thermometer powered on the physical pin 1 also and wondering if that might be mess in with things...
[17:43] <mrmoney2012> on which pin?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> brb on phone.
[17:43] <zleap> k
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[17:49] <mdim> did anyone try running MythTV? According to http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=714 MythTV uses a lot of memory, hence maybe not suited for RPi (model B)
[17:50] <petern_> i found mythtv slow on my core2quad
[17:50] <mdim> petern_: in other words, you don't see it running on RPi?
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[17:51] <petern_> i find it unlikely, but you never know
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> right. where were we...
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, there's very little current avalable out of the 3.3v pin..
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, technically only about 55ma...
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> however I've sucked 170ma out of the Pi in the past to light up 17 LEDs @ 10mA each...
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, for an easy button input, use the I2C pins if you're not using I2C - wiring Pi pins 8 & 9 - they have on-board 1.8K pull-ups, so you just get a switch to ground, configure them as inputs and off you go - they read as 1 when not pushed and 0 whenb pushed.
[17:53] <mrmoney2012> well this is the odd thing - i have a switch.sh script which behaves fine when run manually, it has the line gpio mode 0 down before the loop - all fine
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:54] <mrmoney2012> when i run it from cron at boot like this @reboot /path/switch.sh & <-- it floats
[17:54] <mrmoney2012> i think
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Most odd..
[17:55] <mrmoney2012> basically when the button is pressed it speaks the temp - with my @reboot thing it speaks the temperature contstantly - slightly amusing but wierd
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> so it subsequently reads random 1's and 0's ...
[17:56] <mrmoney2012> yes - the reboot way???no doubt i'm missing something obvious
[17:56] <mrmoney2012> if i boot it and do ./switch.sh &
[17:56] <mrmoney2012> manually - works fine
[17:57] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: noted re pins 8 and 9 .. ta will have to give a go
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if something in the boot sequence is fiddling with the gpio ports then.
[17:58] <mrmoney2012> yes - did occur to me
[17:58] <mrmoney2012> i will try and run it later in the process and see if that helps
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> actually, the pull up/downs are supposed to survive a power cycle - according to the ARM peripherals manual...
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> I'd remove it from cron and stick it in /etc/rc.local - that's run pretty late on.
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[17:59] <mrmoney2012> ok, will try the arch equivalent
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> as for riscos ... I suspect there's been too much effort by the foundation already to jump to it from Linux. Interesting idea though.
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[18:11] <eni23> mabye someone can help me: i can play sound on raspian with root (aplay) but not as normal user. is this an known issue?
[18:13] <enr1x> eni23: you need to add yourself to the 'audio' group
[18:13] <enr1x> eni23: as root: gpasswd -a YOUR_USERNAME audio
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[18:14] <eni23> enr1x: ok thanks. im not running any gui so better usermod -a -G audio :)
[18:15] <enr1x> eni23: gpasswd doesn't need any gui :)
[18:16] <enr1x> eni23: it's an util that comes with the 'shadow' package, at least on arch linux
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[18:17] <eni23> oenr1x: does not help, the same as before
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[18:18] <enr1x> eni23: you have to relogin for the changes to take effect
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[18:18] <enr1x> eni23: and you can check if you're part of the audio group running `id'
[18:19] <eni23> enr1x: ok works now. shure i did relogin :) i had messed with /etc/asound.conf that was the problem
[18:20] <enr1x> eni23: what's your audio setup like? did you have any issues with audio?
[18:21] <eni23> enr1x: no now no more issues. setup is just raspi with wheezy and need jack output not hdmi. thanks again
[18:22] <enr1x> eni23: np. and sound card?
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[18:23] <eni23> enr1x: first internal now im messing with an rme fireface uc but seems there are other problems
[18:24] <enr1x> eni23: are you using the realtime kernel?
[18:25] <eni23> enr1x: no
[18:25] <enr1x> eni23: i was just wondering how it could perform on the pi...
[18:26] <eni23> enr1x: doesnt works really well right now. and seems that its not possible to configure the card whitout a gui
[18:27] <eni23> enr1x: but the fireface uc got an own dsp so there is not much work for the raspi cpu
[18:27] <enr1x> eni23: i had a focusrite that worked just fine, but that was a firewire card so i can't help you with that
[18:27] <enr1x> eni23: what issues are you having?
[18:28] <eni23> enr1x: the card is running fine with on my desktop so i will figure it out
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[18:29] <eni23> enr1x: (desktop is debian) biggest problem is to pach channels
[18:29] <enr1x> eni23: ... because you need a CLI tool to do that? have you tried with X forwarding?
[18:30] <eni23> enr1x: yup. im tring to build an multichannel network player so wont be really cool to do i with an gui
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[18:32] <enr1x> eni23: then i think the best bet is X forwarding unless you can patch it via a virtual fs
[18:32] <eni23> buuut the sources of hdspmixer are aviable it should be possible for me to change it as i need it
[18:32] <enr1x> eni23: i remember my focusrite could be patched via a virtual fs
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[18:33] <eni23> just looked over the source real quick seems like its possible
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[18:33] <eni23> enr1x: for the rme cards you need the hdspmixer and hdspconf-tool
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[18:50] <zilly> Is there a way to install Raspberry Pi's video core on a regular x86 install of Fedora?
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[18:50] <Benighted> have a samba problem with a USB connected hard drive (worked fine on my mint install previously)
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> zilly: what do you mean?
[18:50] <Benighted> anyone able to provide any tips?
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[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Benighted: I don't but other might if you provide more detail.
[18:51] <zilly> ShiftPlusOne: I want to try to use PyOpenMax on a regular install of Fedora but it needs RPi's VideoCore to work. I'm wondering if there's a way I can install that on Fedora.
[18:51] <eni23> another question: omxplayer just whishes me a nice day but not playing any video
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> zilly: the videocore is actual hardware, you can't install it on anything, it's the GPU and all that other magic. I don't know about OpenMAX, but there are ways to run OpenGL ES on the desktop, for example.
[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> There might be something for openmax, but I haven't seen it.
[18:54] <zilly> ShiftPlusOne, ok. Yeah, that makes sense. I was just seeing that what I need is a libbcm_host which is an interface to the hardware on the Pi /=
[18:54] <Benighted> Ok, well for starters I'm Linux+ certified so I know my way around, added the USB drive to /etc/fstab, mount -a, installed samba, samba-common-utils, created samba users and added the share - ran testparm OK, able to browse to the samba share but can't get it to list contents
[18:55] <Benighted> it's an ntfs drive, so I installed ntfs-3g
[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a strange one.
[18:55] <Benighted> I know right?
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[18:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Any errors at all in the logs?
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[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Might have hints there... maybe a permissions problem of some sort. That's all I can think of, sorry.
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[18:58] <Benighted> yes, I think it might be permissions related too, think adding a directory mask of 022 might fix it?
[18:59] <Benighted> was hesitant because I don't want to blow up my ntfs drive, it's strange though because the exact same drive was plugged into my mint install and shared without any permissions issues
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know I don't normally use octal, but I am guessing that's +x?
[18:59] <Benighted> thinking there is probably just a lib or packages I'm missing
[19:01] <Benighted> yes, 4=read+1=execute=5, umask 022 would result in permission set 755
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> got it.
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> you're not going to blow anything up by trying
[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> ntfs doesn't support linux permissions obviously, so if anything the problem might be one of the parent directories.
[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> But again, I am not a samba user, so I should probably shut up. >.>
[19:02] <Benighted> well, I haven't done alot with NFS, you think that may give better results
[19:02] <Benighted> ?
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Do you intend to access the share from windows?
[19:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I've read the NFS isn't too great for windows.
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[19:04] <ShiftPlusOne> But I was asking earlier which one is 'better' and people did seem to favour NFS for linux-only access.
[19:04] <Benighted> nope, all linux household
[19:04] <scummos> does anyone know a program which draws a plot from a file every 0.5 seconds or so
[19:04] <Benighted> even my gf
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> scummos, you can script gnuplot ...
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> scummos, or you can write a program in basic to do it ;-)
[19:05] <scummos> hmm
[19:06] <scummos> ok, I'll hack a python script together
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[19:08] <gordonDrogon> gnuplot has been about for donkeys years though. loads online about it, but it does show its age.
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[19:12] <scummos> yes, it does :(
[19:13] <Benighted> ShiftPlusOne: smbd/service.c;995(make_connection_snum) Can't become connected user!
[19:14] <Benighted> that's all the log entry states
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe worth asking in #linux
[19:14] <Benighted> ah, you know what, figured it out
[19:14] <Benighted> maybe
[19:15] <Benighted> sec, I'll test it
[19:15] <rikkib> Sun Nov 25 07:15:26 NZDT 2012
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[19:17] <rikkib> Damn wheezy soft float has same problem as Raspbian.
[19:17] <ShiftPlusOne> What problem is that? O_o
[19:17] <rikkib> Nov 24 20:24:39 raspberrypi motion: [1] Started stream webcam server in port 8081
[19:17] <rikkib> Nov 24 20:58:29 raspberrypi kernel: [12052.125518] uvcvideo: Non-zero status (-5) in video completion handler.
[19:17] <rikkib> Nov 24 20:58:31 raspberrypi motion: [1] v4l2_next: VIDIOC_DQBUF: EIO (s->pframe 3): Input/output error
[19:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, right.
[19:18] <rikkib> Both motion and mjpg-streamer crash
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[19:27] <Benighted> ShiftPlusOne: yes permissions issue confirmed
[19:28] <ShiftPlusOne> What was it exactly?
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[19:31] <Benighted> still working on it but created a home directory for one of my samba users which showed up ok
[19:32] <Benighted> usually the first thing I do, but since it has worked in the past didn't think it would have a problem
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[19:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm... is there a way to check if a binary is using hard or soft float?
[19:42] <scummos> hm, readelf?
[19:42] * scummos doesn't know
[19:43] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[19:43] <scummos> Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP
[19:43] <scummos> I don't know what SP and DP mean but that might be the information you're looking for?
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like it, but I don't know what it means either >.>
[19:44] <scummos> :)
[19:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Something to google anyway, thanks.
[19:44] <enr1x> single precision and double precision?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> enr1x, what about them?
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[19:44] <scummos> Tag_FP_arch: VFPv2
[19:45] <scummos> oh right
[19:45] <scummos> that fits ;)
[19:45] <scummos> gordonDrogon: the meaning of SP and DP
[19:45] <enr1x> scummos: exactly
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> a-ha... (doh!)
[19:45] <enr1x> d'oh!
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> indeed :)
[19:46] <rymate1234> woot
[19:46] <rymate1234> !
[19:46] <rymate1234> http://mojang.com/2012/11/minecraft-is-coming-to-the-raspberry-pi/
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[19:47] * ShiftPlusOne is sceptical
[19:47] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, it's the 'pocket edition'
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> MC is something I've never gotten into.
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Nice that there's interest from mojang though.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> does it run under Linux at all?
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon: it takes a special kind of autism to truly appreciate it. =)
[19:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, it does.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> I suspect I'd need a decent graphics card. all I have is a dumb framebuffer...
[19:49] <rymate1234> I'll probably port the pi version to x86
[19:49] <rymate1234> lmao
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[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Given it's java, you'd probably need to convert the opengl parts and that's it.
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Not trivial, but doable.
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[19:50] <gordonDrogon> ah, it's java.
[19:50] <scummos> I still think it's pretty epic that this $2 magnetometer has in fact a temperature register
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon: yeah, it's not exactly a high end game in terms of graphics, but somehow manage to lag without a proper card.
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[19:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Especially on laptops for some reason.
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> scummos, does the manual suggest using the temp. sensor to tune the results of the magnetometer?
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[19:51] <scummos> gordonDrogon: no; I guess they do that internally
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[19:52] <monkeymon> hi
[19:54] <enr1x> hi monkeymon
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[19:55] <SpeedEvil> ShiftPlusOne: mine craft is actually challenging, GPU wise
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[19:56] <SpeedEvil> rendering a few hundred thousand textured blocks...
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I know it is in practice, but I don't quite understand why it should be. O_o
[19:56] <monkeymon> hi enr
[19:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Fair enough, yeah.
[19:57] <monkeymon> hey all. for 1080p playback are people just using omx player or xmbc?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> so minecraft is rubbish IMO. Or the company selling it just sucks. They won't tell me how much it costs until I register with them Why do I need to register?
[19:57] <monkeymon> im trying to using a raspberry pi as a video server without a gui. just black screen and then triggered videos.
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon: I have a free copy if you're interested
[19:58] <scummos> yeah, rather play Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, nah. don't have time and my PC is crappy. thanks.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> ah ?17.99
[19:59] <ShiftPlusOne> really? looks like it has gone up
[19:59] <enr1x> there's an open source clone now, called minetest, haven't tried it actually
[19:59] <enr1x> but i've alwas seen it listed as one of the most popular games on debian atm
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[20:01] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil: I was under the impression that opengl is smart about that sort of thing (in terms of caching and reusing). Sure it's 100s of blocks, but they're mostly the same. I suppose there are transforms to apply to each block, but still. Sound like an optimization issue rather than actual hardware requirements.
[20:01] <SpeedEvil> 10000s
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> the transforms differ as true p
[20:02] <SpeedEvil> the angle changes
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[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> true
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, that's one more thing I am no longer confused about, thanks.
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[20:15] <RaspberryPie> Hey :)
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[20:20] <monkeymon> hi
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[20:23] <RaspberryPie> Whats up?
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[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> What's bash syntax for "replace this with whatever the output of this command is" I thought it was curly braces, but apparently not. (If anyone knows off the top of their head)
[20:29] <rikkib> Anyone know who the person known as jamesh of the RPF is?
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[20:29] <rikkib> on
[20:29] <ShiftPlusOne> found it, it was $(command)
[20:30] <Benighted> nice
[20:30] <Benighted> what is the application for?
[20:30] <rikkib> I knew that... Just did not understand the Q
[20:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I didn't know it was called command substitution, so I wasn't sure how to ask
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[20:31] <rikkib> So many languages so little time :)
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Benighted: I want to automatically read the startsector of a partition on a disc image, multiply it by 512 and use that to mount that partition of the disc image, but I want to do that in a single step. So that's a part of it.
[20:32] <ShiftPlusOne> instead of using file, bc, mount -o offset=... and so on.
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[20:34] <Benighted> right on
[20:35] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[20:35] <Benighted> hi CelticTurnip
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[20:54] <binhex> Anyone here ?
[20:54] <rikkib> Maybe
[20:54] <CelticTurnip> nah they all just left
[20:54] <monkeymon> yes
[20:56] <binhex> I don't have all my parts yet for my raspberry but, I want to emulate some events with my keyboard. How can I modify this code to work with example a keypress of UP arrow.
[20:56] <binhex> while(True):
[20:56] <binhex>
[20:56] <binhex> if(down==True):
[20:56] <binhex>
[20:56] <binhex> if(GPIO.input(23)==False):
[20:57] <binhex> what I want to do is to give GPIO.input(23) a value of True when I push the left arrow on my keyboard
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Python, I assume?
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> this is a home built keyboard, I presume?
[21:00] <Benighted> thanks ShiftPlusOne, later all
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[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't quite deciphered what you're trying to do.
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[21:10] <des2> Pogoplug B01 $13 with free shipping. http://www.buy.com/prod/pogoplug-multimedia-sharing-device-classic-pink/219855865.html
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> free US shipping or worldwide?
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> "This recipient does not accept payments from non-US PayPal accounts." that answers that I guess.
[21:13] <des2> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/pogoplug-provideov3
[21:13] <des2> Yeah US only unfortunately.
[21:14] <ShiftPlusOne> That's a shame, it's a good deal.
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[21:14] <pigeta1> hi
[21:15] <pigeta1> i recived yestarday my raspberry 512 mb
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[21:15] <wiiguy> congrats
[21:16] <pigeta1> tnx now i want try to install for first raspbian with xmbc
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[21:18] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:19] <mdim> piney0: let us know how it goes
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[21:20] <wiiguy> well what use had that ?
[21:20] <mdim> I ordered the same Pi version two days ago, and am planning to put xbmc on it as well, but I'll probably go with Arch Linux ARM (I assume it consumes less resources than raspbian)
[21:20] <wiiguy> he says somethign and leave s...
[21:21] <mdim> didn't notice :)
[21:21] <wiiguy> where did ya order ?
[21:21] <wiiguy> farnell or crappy rs ?
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[21:22] <mdim> farnell/newark
[21:22] <wiiguy> lucky you
[21:22] <wiiguy> need a cc to order from there :(
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[21:23] <wiiguy> i do wonder if i were to get a prepay creditcard from visa would farnell accept it ? tehy are not verivied
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[21:25] <rikkib> RS NZ has no RPi until end of Dec
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> got a local farnell?
[21:25] <wiiguy> no
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[21:25] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/ Top article
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[21:26] <rikkib> I don't like giving RPi bad press but
[21:26] <rikkib> or RS which is the case here
[21:27] <wiiguy> RS is a bad supplier
[21:27] <rikkib> But where RS could not supply E14 was wiling to try a little harder on short notice
[21:27] <wiiguy> E14 ?
[21:28] <rikkib> Element 14 which Farnell
[21:28] <wiiguy> ah
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Any sed/regexp person might be able to tell why this command doesn't do what I think it should? I'd expect that to replace the first start sector number with '(OVERHERE'). http://pastie.org/5428877
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[21:35] <scummos> whoo
[21:35] <scummos> I have a mesh in blender which I can rotate by rotating the sensor :))
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[21:36] <scummos> it needs some more trigonometry and axis alignment
[21:36] <scummos> but it's quite great :D
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> is it responsive/accurate at all?
[21:36] <scummos> yes quite
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[21:36] <scummos> the sensor is 80Hz
[21:36] <scummos> if you average 15 values... it's quite accurate and responsive
[21:37] <scummos> if you draw every value it's sort of jittery
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Planning to do some sort of 3d modeling glove or just testing?
[21:37] <scummos> nah, just for fun.
[21:37] <scummos> the sensor was two bucks at farnell so I tought, wow, I'll buy that :D
[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess it wouldn't be trivial to actually track the position of it though
[21:37] <scummos> yes, you can't; you need another sensor
[21:38] <scummos> position doesn't influence this thing at all
[21:38] <scummos> well if you moved it to america you'd probably notice
[21:38] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[21:40] <scummos> it also follows the movement of a magnet in my hand :D
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[21:42] <scummos> yeah, a pretty nice toy. especially for that price. the 16 bits are sort of pointless as the lowest 4 are only noise, but okay
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> feed it through a low-pass filter.
[21:46] <scummos> feed what through a low-pass filter?
[21:47] * ShiftPlusOne wonders how that would work on a digital device
[21:48] <scummos> it's fully digital... 3 axis, 16 bits, in a 2mm x 2mm package with i2c interface
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> use a digital filter - in code.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> it's pretty straightforwards.
[21:50] <scummos> I do that
[21:50] <scummos> I do a floating average of 15 values
[21:50] <scummos> improves it by a large amount
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> that's essentially what his averaging accomplishes though. I would think
[21:50] <scummos> yes
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> you treat it like a big fifo.
[21:50] <scummos> yes
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> typically on a microcontroller I'd make it a power of 2 deep, so the divide is just a shift.
[21:51] <scummos> it's not a microcontroller; it's a dualcore i5
[21:51] <scummos> it doesn't care ;)
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> so 16 deep, then (sum) >>4
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> true, but it doesn't hurt..
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> (and here was me thinking it was a Pi ...)
[21:52] <scummos> the data is transferred from the pi over fuse and WLAN to a python script running in blender
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[21:52] <scummos> I know, not a very fine-crafted architecture :D
[21:52] <scummos> but easy to set up!
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[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> where does fuse come in exactly?
[21:53] <scummos> there's a script running on the pi which communicates with the sensor and writes everything to a file
[21:53] <scummos> and the pi's FS is mounted over fuse
[21:53] <scummos> and the blender script reads the file ;D
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, got it
[21:54] <scummos> I know it's horribly ineffecient but meh
[21:54] <scummos> it works ;)
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[21:54] <PhotoJim> scummos: you can't just use NFS?
[21:54] <scummos> what's the benefit?
[21:54] <ShiftPlusOne> It's like a rube goldberg machine of data transfer.
[21:55] <PhotoJim> NFS is pretty fast, that's the advantage.
[21:55] <scummos> is it really that much faster than sshfs, with compression?
[21:55] <PhotoJim> you should be able to saturate your network link, or at least, if your storage is slower, saturate its transfer rate.
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[21:55] <PhotoJim> depends on your transfer rate, but since compression is CPU-intensive, I'd wager yes.
[21:56] <scummos> ShiftPlusOne: pah! I can think of much more convoluted setups
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[21:56] <PhotoJim> if you're using a 1 Mbps Internet connection, maybe not. you might want compression there.
[21:56] <PhotoJim> over a LAN, no, you don't want compression or encryption, usually.
[21:56] <scummos> PhotoJim: yeah, but the most I will transfer is 480 bytes per second
[21:56] <PhotoJim> (unless you distrust LAN users)
[21:56] <PhotoJim> well if that's all you're sending, it probably doesn't matter.
[21:56] <scummos> plus spaces and newlines but whatever
[21:56] <PhotoJim> but it will use less CPU to use NFS.
[21:56] <scummos> okay
[21:56] <scummos> thanks for the tip
[21:56] <PhotoJim> and might be something fun to learn.
[21:56] <scummos> if I have more data to transfer I will use it
[21:57] <PhotoJim> your approach has its advantages though. you can't always run an NFS server on the other end.
[21:57] <PhotoJim> but if you can, I like NFS.
[21:57] <scummos> ok
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[21:57] <scummos> nah If I wanted to do it well, I would probably use netcat and sockets
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[21:57] <scummos> skip the filesystem step
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[21:57] <scummos> it's quite unnecessary
[21:57] <PhotoJim> let me test my I/O rate over my LAN here via NFS. I'm curious now. (from the Pi)
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[21:58] * PhotoJim is making a 100 MB file over NFS
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I am getting 10000kB/s from one PC to another over NFS.
[21:58] <PhotoJim> 4.8 MB/s to write
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't have a benchmark for sshfs though
[21:59] <scummos> sshfs has encryption
[21:59] <scummos> which is probably not terribly efficient
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[21:59] <PhotoJim> scummos: it's not efficient, but it's occasionally useful, e.g. if you have a distrusted network.
[21:59] <PhotoJim> 9.1 MB/s reading. nearly saturating the link.
[21:59] <scummos> of course it's useful
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[22:00] <scummos> but not for communication from my pi to my notebook which consists of sensor data ;)
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[22:00] <PhotoJim> encryption and compression are useful over dialup and most broadband connections. I probably wouldn't compress on really fast broadband though.
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[22:00] <PhotoJim> No. :)
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[22:00] <PhotoJim> well, it's easy to set up NFS, if you care to experiment.
[22:00] <scummos> I will do
[22:00] <PhotoJim> I actually posted on the Raspbian FAQ how to set up your Pi as an NFS client.
[22:00] <scummos> but now I have to go back to the boring experiments -- those we do at university :(
[22:00] <scummos> I'll try it out in the next days
[22:00] <arunkumar413> how to share my laptop wireless internet with raspberrypi over ethernet
[22:00] <scummos> alright
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[22:01] <PhotoJim> Heh, I stand at the front of the class. Much easier. :)
[22:01] <scummos> heh
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[22:02] <ShiftPlusOne> scummos: actually that's a good idea. I may need to design a few labs which include raspberry pi, and the accelerometer thing might be something people would find interesting.
[22:03] <scummos> this is a magnetometer
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> shh
[22:03] <ShiftPlusOne> accelerometer it is.
[22:03] <scummos> I wanted an accelerometer too, but they aren't as cheap / easy
[22:04] <scummos> pressure is even worse
[22:04] <]DMackey[> is there a program I can use to Stress Test the RPi?
[22:04] <PhotoJim> ]DMackey[: Compile something big. :)
[22:04] <scummos> ]DMackey[: cat /dev/urandom |gzip -9 > /dev/null
[22:04] <]DMackey[> I wanna push the RPi for awhile to see what it does.
[22:05] <]DMackey[> Ahh like the Quake3 deal?
[22:05] <scummos> ]DMackey[: just run the command I posted
[22:05] <scummos> ...the miniumum pressure sensor I found costs 6 euros, is sort of huge, and needs > 20mA of power
[22:05] <]DMackey[> K, trying..
[22:05] <scummos> and it's even sort of bad
[22:05] <PhotoJim> Or download the source for gcc and build it. That takes awhile.
[22:05] <PhotoJim> You might want to do it over NFS though, so you don't wear out your SD card unnecessarily.
[22:06] <ShiftPlusOne> PhotoJim: it's going to null, so it shouldn't.
[22:06] <]DMackey[> Pfff, SD cards are cheap. 16gb for $18.88 last one I purchased.
[22:06] <PhotoJim> ShiftPlusOne: no, I meant if he builds something like gcc. That command is fine.
[22:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, got it.
[22:06] <PhotoJim> 4 GB for $1 yesterday at ncix.com for the Canadians.
[22:08] <]DMackey[> Ok, running that command 'cat /dev/urandom |gzip -9 > /dev/null &'
[22:08] <]DMackey[> lets see if we can warm the room up now lol
[22:08] <scummos> ]DMackey[: check htop and see that it's really using all the CPU ;)
[22:08] * scummos is promoting htop
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> If you want to warm up the room, use the internet connection and usb a bit.
[22:09] <arunkumar413> how to share laptop wireless internet with raspberrypi over ethernet
[22:09] * ShiftPlusOne got ridiculed and mocked in ##linux for using htop =(
[22:09] <ShiftPlusOne> (instead of ps aux)
[22:09] <scummos> yeah whatever
[22:09] <scummos> some people just can't take progress
[22:09] <PhotoJim> I like htop, but ps aux has its uses. they're complementary.
[22:10] <scummos> arunkumar413: read on linux networking ;)
[22:10] * scummos never uses ps
[22:10] <scummos> I use either htop or sometimes pidof
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[22:10] <PhotoJim> ps aux | grep nameoftaskyouwant is very useful.
[22:10] <scummos> yes... but pidof covers that in most cases
[22:10] <scummos> for me at least
[22:11] <arunkumar413> scummos: how to create ip tables
[22:11] <scummos> arunkumar413: I'm not a linux networking expert, I need to look everything up too
[22:11] * PhotoJim now has his Cobalt on its knees doing that CPU killer task
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: your laptop is running what?
[22:11] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: linux
[22:11] <ShiftPlusOne> which?
[22:12] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: open suse
[22:12] <ShiftPlusOne> I think opensuse might have connection forwarding in the control panel.
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[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> if not, Go to NetworkManager, edit the wired connection -> IPv4 Settings -> and change method to "Shared to other computers".
[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> And that should be enough
[22:13] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: but the raspberry should be configured to get internet on raspberry
[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, that will work
[22:13] <ShiftPlusOne> it forwards the internet connection as well.
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> It does on Mint, but on Arch I had to run an extra iptables command.
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Not sure about opensuse
[22:14] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: it forwards but how to configure raspberry to accept it as the internet connection
[22:15] <ShiftPlusOne> it will by default
[22:15] <ShiftPlusOne> just use dhcp
[22:15] <arunkumar413> no, i tried it didn't
[22:15] <ShiftPlusOne> does it lease an IP address?
[22:15] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: dhcp on laptop or rpi?
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> rpi
[22:16] <]DMackey[> what is the MAX size sd card that can be used on the RPi?
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> NetworkManager run dnsmasq as the dhcp server for the ethernet connection.
[22:16] <]DMackey[> Currently using 16gb cards
[22:16] <ShiftPlusOne> ]DMackey[: I don't know if it's max, but there are 64G ones listed on the verified peripherals list.
[22:16] <]DMackey[> Ahh ok tnx.
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: on you laptop, once the pi is booted, is there anything in /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases ?
[22:19] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: right now i've not connected will connect tomorrow morning
[22:20] <]DMackey[> Someone needs to design a headbord like device for the RPi, Put all the ports one one straight line.
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: if you want to do it manually, then you can follow the steps here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_Share
[22:21] <]DMackey[> headerboard that is
[22:21] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: i want to do it automatically
[22:21] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: i configure i should just run the dmasq command. correct?
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: not what I meant. I mean that if you don't want to use NetworkManager to take care of the magic for you, you can enter the command yourself.
[22:22] <ShiftPlusOne> no, you don't run anything, NM does everything.
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[22:23] <]DMackey[> I would love to put an RPi in an old Commodore 1541 case w/psu but the port placement is kind of a pain
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[22:23] <]DMackey[> I have a bunch of old drives here I grabbed from a commodore expo a few months back
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[22:25] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: but there is no nm in rpi
[22:25] <]DMackey[> Where is the startup message you see AFTER loggin into the wheezy distro? I want to edit it.
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: I almost feel like you're trolling me. Your pi is fine with the default settings, you don't need to do anything there.
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[22:27] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: ok, how to run dmasq in laptop
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> You don't
[22:27] <ShiftPlusOne> NM does it automatically when you change the 'shared to other computers' setting.
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Though you should stick to your distro's recommended method.
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Internet_connection_sharing
[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I only described what I do on my Mint PC. If I were running OpenSUSSE, I would follow the directions on the page I just linked you to.
[22:29] <ShiftPlusOne> *OpenSUSE
[22:29] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, you want to share your eth0 interface?
[22:29] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: but i read on the web that rpi doesn't have an ip address and we need to create the ip tables by editing the /etc/networking/ file
[22:29] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: please look up what dhcp and dynamic IP is.
[22:30] <rikkib> route
[22:30] <rikkib> Kernel IP routing table
[22:30] <rikkib> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
[22:30] <rikkib> default 192.168.44.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
[22:30] <rikkib> 192.168.44.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
[22:30] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne:let me try once again
[22:31] <rikkib> type sudo route
[22:31] <BlackFate> arunkumar413,
[22:31] <BlackFate> sudo su
[22:31] <BlackFate> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[22:31] <BlackFate> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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[22:31] <BlackFate> connection sharing
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[22:32] <rikkib> Yeah
[22:33] <rikkib> I use Debian ipmasq... He has been trying to set his up for a while
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[22:34] <ShiftPlusOne> To sum up, you have 3 alternatives: Using the OpenSUSE control panel, using NetworkManager, or entering the commands yourself. Pick a method and follow the steps and you should be fine.
[22:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I like NetworkManager since you only need to change 1 setting and everything happens automagically. Your milage may vary since we're running different distros. If I were you'd follow these instead: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Internet_connection_sharing
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[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> BlackFate: with your method, he'd still need a dhcp server or a static IP setup, wouldn't he?
[22:37] * rikkib Today's task in paradise, rip a usb connecter off an old mother board and build a break out box so I can measure usb current. Found the box and banana sockets/plugs I had stashed away.
[22:38] <BlackFate> ShiftPlusOne, well... why mess with these?.... almost all routers have dhcp...
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne> BlackFate: So that way the router will see the rpi as a separate device? O_o
[22:41] <BlackFate> ShiftPlusOne, when rpi connects to network, it gets an ip address from the router.... if there is no dhcp server in the first place... then you propably need to set them by yourself
[22:41] <BlackFate> but all modern router have dhcp enabled by default
[22:41] * ShiftPlusOne isn't sure it would work quite that way.
[22:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll take your word for it though, fair enough.
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[22:42] <BlackFate> ShiftPlusOne, you use rasbian?
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> arch
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[22:44] <BlackFate> ShiftPlusOne, does it have the new systemd etc?
[22:44] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[22:44] <arunkumar413> ShiftPlusOne: ok, now i connected the rpi to the laptop using the ethernet cable
[22:45] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, you want to give net to your rpi?
[22:45] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: yes
[22:45] <BlackFate> ok... listen up...
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> BlackFate: he wants to share his laptop's net connection (running OpenSUSE) to his pi.
[22:46] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, from your laptop:
[22:46] <BlackFate> sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
[22:46] <BlackFate> sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
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[22:46] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: what i did is created a wired connection and selected the ip4 to shared to other computers
[22:47] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: change that back, it's a different method.
[22:47] <BlackFate> no.... you need to share the wifi
[22:47] <BlackFate> the wifi gets shared.... am i right?
[22:47] <BlackFate> ShiftPlusOne, want me to vnc you?
[22:47] <BlackFate> ops
[22:48] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, **
[22:48] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: laptop is connected to internet using wifi and i want to share this over ethernet cable
[22:48] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, yeap.. i got it
[22:48] <BlackFate> so... you masquerade wlan0 interface
[22:48] <BlackFate> enable ip forwarding
[22:49] <BlackFate> and assing ips tou laptop and rpi
[22:49] <BlackFate> and finaly... assign DNS server to rpi
[22:49] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: but tried to open the yast but it said the network is being managed by network manager
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[22:50] <ShiftPlusOne> arunkumar413: forget everything I told you and just try what he's saying.
[22:50] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, what distro does your laptop run?
[22:50] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: open suse
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[22:50] <BlackFate> so.. you are using network manager... right?
[22:51] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: yes
[22:51] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, firstly share the wifi interface from network manager
[22:52] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: do i need to change the ip4 of wi-fi to share to other computers or authomatic dhcp?
[22:52] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, no need to change your ip settings.. just share
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[22:53] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: how to share?
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[22:54] <BlackFate> damn these manager
[22:54] <BlackFate> s
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[22:54] <BlackFate> arunkumar413,
[22:54] <BlackFate> download x11vnc
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[22:55] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: ok wait
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[22:56] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: ok done
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[22:59] <lars_t_h> Hi everyone. The modmypi case support the rev 2 model b board, does it also support the rev 1 board? Thanks for any answer
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> lars_t_h: unless they have changed it, yes, my rev1 is in a modmypi case.
[23:00] <rikkib> Ahha... Found a usb break out board in an old compaq. Front panel audio/mic and two usb sockets. I will be able to wire one for straight through and one to measure current.
[23:00] <lars_t_h> ShiftPlusOne, thx
[23:00] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[23:02] <Neutron18> the pi doesn't need any extra cooling when overclocked to 1GHz, will it? :>
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[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: What kind of cooling are you thinking of?
[23:05] <Neutron18> CPU
[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I mean, like a heatsink, a fan or what?
[23:05] <Neutron18> yeah a heatsink
[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, a heatsink would help you.
[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> *wouldn't
[23:05] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
[23:05] <ShiftPlusOne> typo
[23:06] <Neutron18> so no need to do any extra cooling then
[23:06] <rikkib> Do you like the tee shirt
[23:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: I don't know if there's a need, but there's no simple effective way even if there was a need.
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[23:07] * CelticTurnip clicks link
[23:07] <CelticTurnip> that t-shirt rocks! :)
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[23:07] <Neutron18> I have some little RAM heatsinks with double sided tape, I fit one on my one RPI, and it fits perfectly, but yeah it might not be needed so..
[23:07] <ShiftPlusOne> rikkib: the language rule applies to links as well, heh.
[23:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: it wouldn't do anything.
[23:08] <CelticTurnip> ShiftPlusOne: you must find the internet extremely annoying, it's pretty rude out there :P
[23:08] <DooMMasteR> anyone know a good way to implement a tachometer?
[23:08] <DooMMasteR> I have no free interrupts so I will need an external solution for it
[23:08] <rikkib> haha
[23:08] <DooMMasteR> some kind of tachometer chip which retuns events/time to me
[23:09] <rikkib> Break out board does not fit in my box
[23:10] <CelticTurnip> and little kids on irc don't ever grep the Linux kernel source :P
[23:10] <CelticTurnip> they have rude words a plenty in your favourite kernel
[23:10] <ShiftPlusOne> Not in the mood for you today, CelticTurnip
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[23:12] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: ok now i want to install ffmpeg in rpi
[23:13] <BlackFate> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg ?
[23:13] <rikkib> hot plugging cameras
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: The cpu is underneath the RAM and there is no proper thermal coupling between the two.
[23:13] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: At best you'll get a degree or two difference with a heatsink on the ram.
[23:14] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: i want to use rpi and a surveillance cam. i have a webcam and use ffmpeg as video server
[23:14] <Neutron18> isn't the big chip in the middle the CPU/GPU/RAM?
[23:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: it's not 1 chip, it's one stacked on top of another.
[23:15] <Neutron18> sure I don't know how the various components are arranged inside the package, but it'll still distribute the heat to some degree
[23:15] <Neutron18> hmm
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> poorly
[23:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Neutron18: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_on_package
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> it's designed to lose heat from the bottom
[23:15] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, try motion or zoneminder.. or even mjpg-streamer
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> point a tiny fan at the bottom of the board
[23:16] <johang> put it in the freezer
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, a fan ins probably the most likely method that would help, but verify that you even need it.
[23:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Also, don't try to run the fan off of the GPIO.
[23:16] <Neutron18> not going to bother with any cooling anyway
[23:16] <johang> why do people need cooling of the RPi?
[23:16] <CelticTurnip> so they can overclock
[23:17] <CelticTurnip> and like all hardware different chips run at different temps
[23:17] <Neutron18> if it goes up in smoke, then too bad.. I can order another one :p
[23:17] <Macer> haha
[23:17] <Macer> not all people want to deal with ordering a new one
[23:17] <Macer> especially when supplies get low :-P
[23:18] <Neutron18> but it looks like farnell are done with their deliveries now, and RS have ~4 weeks of delivery time?
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[23:23] <rikkib> 514 in stock for next working day delivery
[23:24] <rikkib> http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b-512mb/dp/2191863?ICID=ap-rpi512-hwb
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[23:26] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: unable to install ffmpeg in rpi. could you please help me once again
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[23:27] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: i tried sudo apt-get update and then tried to install ffmpeg
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[23:29] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, what's the output of sudo apt-get install ffmpeg?
[23:30] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: unable to fetch some archives
[23:30] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: i think connection is lost
[23:31] <BlackFate> you can always check your connection by pinging google
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[23:32] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: yes the connection is lost
[23:32] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: what's the command to run commands remotely on rpi
[23:33] <scummos> http://imgur.com/a/RCznt#0 whee
[23:33] <BlackFate> maybe a cable moved or something? its not like something from what i did can break out of the blue
[23:33] <BlackFate> ssh pi@IP
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> scummos: looks good =)
[23:34] <scummos> the layout is crap but I didn't have much time to make it :)
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> No bodge wires = good enough
[23:35] <scummos> heh
[23:35] <scummos> those 1206 resistors are great for routing
[23:36] <scummos> they're like bridges
[23:36] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: the conection is lost. i checked the cable and reinserted it
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[23:38] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: i pinged the laptop from rpi. Able to receive the packets but no internet
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[23:38] <BlackFate> arunkumar413, check /etc/resolv.conf
[23:38] <BlackFate> and paste route -n
[23:38] <[diecast]> pinging has nothing to do with routing
[23:38] <BlackFate> these on rasp
[23:39] <billkd> The Purple Fullcrap Ball says: this is only fooling blabber
[23:40] <billkd> The Purple Fullcrap Ball says: dont sent any message any more stupit n idiot
[23:40] <billkd> /dev/bollocks says: benchmark real-time e-business
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[23:42] <arunkumar413> BlackFate: unable to edit the file used this command sudo edit /etc/resolv.conf
[23:42] <CelticTurnip> sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf arunkumar413
[23:42] <CelticTurnip> edit means use your favourite editor ;)
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[23:45] <arunkumar413> CelticTurnip: ok, done added route-n to the resolv.conf . But still no internet
[23:45] <[diecast]> heh
[23:46] <BlackFate> jessus
[23:46] <BlackFate> arunkumar413,
[23:46] <BlackFate> press the vnc command again
[23:47] <[diecast]> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-network-troubleshooting-tips.html
[23:48] <[diecast]> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25557
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[23:49] <[diecast]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRHT1Q0jE78
[23:49] <[diecast]> another howto guide for network setup
[23:49] <CelticTurnip> arunkumar413: imho maybe you should read some guides on Linux/UNIX - probably a lot smarter than typing random commmands you don't understand in to a computer :)
[23:49] <[diecast]> the video one is using the gui
[23:50] <CelticTurnip> networking is trivial on Linux if you understand how it works
[23:50] <[diecast]> not to a beginner.
[23:50] <[diecast]> especially not in terminal
[23:50] <asaru> lol
[23:50] <asaru> man resolv.conf
[23:50] <asaru> ftw
[23:51] <CelticTurnip> I've used UNIX for over 20 years, it's been pretty well documented for all of those years
[23:51] <[diecast]> oh boy
[23:51] <CelticTurnip> IMHO it's best to read and learn, rather than ask and hope for the best
[23:51] <[diecast]> yes, the wikis and forums were exploding with info when i started in 1993 o_O
[23:51] <CelticTurnip> but whatever
[23:52] <[diecast]> and google was a great help back then too..................
[23:52] <[diecast]> arunkumar413: but really, just find a tutorial on linux networking. more than likely its a routing issue
[23:53] <CelticTurnip> [diecast]: that's nice, man pages and books worked for me :P
[23:53] <[diecast]> obviously i was being sarcastic since those didn't exist
[23:53] <[diecast]> not a contest
[23:53] <CelticTurnip> indeed
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