#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-25

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[0:04] <CelticTurnip> arunkumar413: check out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html (debian.org is probably your best bet for anything Debian related) - and if the internet was working before without issue, it's probably as easy as just restarted the network service
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[0:10] <Cykey> Hey guys! Just got my raspberry Pi
[0:10] * PiBot sets mode +v hugorodrigues
[0:10] <Cykey> it works great, except for the internet
[0:10] <IT_Sean> Woot!
[0:10] <IT_Sean> the internet?
[0:10] <Cykey> I plugged in my ethernet cable
[0:10] <IT_Sean> you... you didn;t... you didn't try to connect it to the internet, did you!?
[0:10] <Cykey> From my rPI to my router
[0:11] <Cykey> but no IP address. `ifconfig -a` doesn't return an IP for eth0
[0:11] <Cykey> Any ideas?
[0:13] * adb (~IonMoldom@178-211-235-11.dhcp.voenergies.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[0:15] <Cykey> I've tried rebooting
[0:15] <Cykey> still, nothing
[0:16] * ChanServ sets mode -o ShiftPlusOne
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[0:21] <[diecast]> deja vu
[0:22] * Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[0:22] <Cykey> Most likely.
[0:23] <[diecast]> someone just a few minutes ago was having the same thing
[0:23] <IT_Sean> I think they make a pill for that. ...or a cream. ...or something.
[0:23] <[diecast]> basically it led to a massive RTFM rage
[0:23] * spacepluk (~spacepluk@ec2-50-19-126-100.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has left #raspberrypi
[0:24] <[diecast]> i personally like to stop, think and double check my physical layer before doing any software based diagnostics
[0:24] <[diecast]> even the most seasoned of admins will be caught up on layer 0
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[0:25] <[diecast]> after that, login to the router - does it recognize the pi as being a client, is it giving out an ip to the pi
[0:25] <IT_Sean> that's nerd speak for 'jiggle all the cables'
[0:27] <Cykey> lool
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[0:33] * Yen (yen@27.6-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
[0:33] <Cykey> Well, my raspberry pi is not plugged into my router. :P It's plugged directly into my modem. [Modem] <-> [TrentNET network switch] <-> raspberry pi + router
[0:34] <Cykey> Where "<->" is an ethernet cable. :P
[0:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Cykey: there are plenty of ways to make it work, just google your distro name and "internet sharing"
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[0:35] <linuxstb> Cykey: Is it really just a modem? If so, then you shouldn't be plugging more than one device into it IIUC.
[0:36] <IT_Sean> ^
[0:36] <IT_Sean> try plugging it into your router
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Sorry, I misread.
[0:36] * [diecast] goes back to watching tv
[0:36] <IT_Sean> so... [innernet]<->modem<->router<->raspi
[0:37] <Cykey> I would love to, but stupid apple only provides one ethernet port, and it's used for input
[0:37] <Cykey> (From modem to router)
[0:37] <Cykey> apple router*
[0:37] <linuxstb> That's not much of a router then ;)
[0:37] <linuxstb> I guess it's wifi?
[0:37] <Cykey> yeah, but they call it a router. ;P
[0:37] <Cykey> just wifi
[0:38] <linuxstb> Then I think you'll either need a new router, a wifi dongle for the Pi, for a wifi->ethernet bridge.
[0:38] <linuxstb> s/for/or/
[0:38] <Cykey> grrr.
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[0:40] <linuxstb> Cykey: Does the router still access the internet when plugged into the switch?
[0:41] <linuxstb> I'm guessing as we're talking to you that it does?
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[0:41] * IT_Sean recommends going out and getting a proper router.
[0:41] <Cykey> lars_t_h: yes
[0:41] <Cykey> linuxstb**
[0:41] <Cykey> ;P
[0:42] <Cykey> IT_Sean, send me some money and I will! ;P
[0:43] * IT_Sean sends Cykey 100 pesos
[0:44] <Cykey> $$**
[0:44] <IT_Sean> ??
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[0:45] <linuxstb> Cykey: Do you know the model name/number of your modem? What is it connected to? ADSL, Cable, Fibre?
[0:46] <Cykey> linuxstb: http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/
[0:47] <IT_Sean> MODEM. Not router. Model and type of modem.
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[0:47] <Cykey> Oh, sorry
[0:48] <Cykey> linuxstb: http://www.motorola.com/Video-Solutions/US-EN/Products-and-Services/Voice-and-Data-Consumer-Premise-Equipment/DOCSIS-Modems-Gateways-and-eMTAs/Cable-Modems/Motorola_SURFboard_SB6120_US-EN
[0:49] <Cykey> Motorola SURFBoard 6120.
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[1:03] <linuxstb> Cykey: I've had a quick read about it, and can't see any magic solutions. As IT_Sean said, a new router is your best bet.
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[1:03] <linuxstb> Although the cheapest solution would probably be a wifi dongle for your Pi.
[1:04] <Cykey> ???and a powered usb hub.
[1:04] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[1:04] <Cykey> which at the end is about as expensive as getting a new router.
[1:04] <linuxstb> Hmm, true. Then maybe a very cheap router would be better. You would only need a wired router, and then you connect your switch to that, and your airport to the switch (changing the airport to work in bridged mode, assuming it can)
[1:06] <IT_Sean> What are cheap netgear wifi routers going for these days? $20? $30?
[1:08] <WJM> I hope you guys don't mind me asking, but could I scrap an old laptop screen and plug it into a pi, or does it not work like that?
[1:09] <tos9> laptop screens generally have proprietary connectors
[1:10] <WJM> oh well, thanks anyway!
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[1:20] <scummos> WJM: theoretically probably yes but I guess it would need a huge lot of reverse engineering and insane skills to actually get it to work ;)
[1:21] <WJM> My electrical skills go as far as shocking myself once, so I probably won't attempt it then.
[1:21] <ShiftPlusOne> If I recall correctly, ben heck uses laptop screen in his mods, so it has to be doable, I'd think.
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[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Just checked, my mistake, he uses monitors.
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[1:29] <gordonDrogon> well excitement in my town tonight. it flooded.
[1:29] <gordonDrogon> along with most of Devon by the sounds of it.
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Your place alright?
[1:30] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/floods-in-buckfastleigh/
[1:30] <gordonDrogon> Yes, thanks. But another meter higher and we'd have been flooded.
[1:30] <gordonDrogon> although I suspect my neighbours would have been flooded first...
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Nothing fn about that.
[1:38] <gordonDrogon> it's stopped raining now - getting windy, so the trees are falling down (reading twitter)
[1:38] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[1:38] <gordonDrogon> and more rain for tomorrow. Dartmoor is *full* there is nowhere else for the water to go..
[1:39] <gordonDrogon> check @bbcdevon and @bbcmatt for some images. poor Devon... Ah well, it is the 'South Wet' I guess.
[1:40] <gordonDrogon> People ask us why our grass is so green... Well, a lot of rain helps!!!
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[1:49] <gordonDrogon> heres a Pi interface board to do just about everything: http://www.pridopia.co.uk/pi-usb-hub-i2c-ad-da-ft232-r1.html
[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[1:51] * Delboy (~openwrt@141-136-248-238.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[1:51] <ShiftPlusOne> pricey
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[1:54] <gordonDrogon> I didn't see a price on it..
[1:54] <ShiftPlusOne> it's in the 'shop' section
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> 50 something euros I think
[1:56] <gordonDrogon> ?52.
[1:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, expensive for 4 more usb ports, I guess.
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[1:57] <gordonDrogon> I can't work out who/what it'saimed at.
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[2:05] <monkeymon> hi
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[2:17] <scummos> the blogger editor is *unbelieveable*
[2:17] <scummos> it's impossible to get HTML escaping right
[2:17] <scummos> ._.
[2:17] <scummos> </random rant>
[2:18] <markbook> yeah
[2:19] <markbook> I'm trying to figure out how to bypass it or do full content uploads or anything else
[2:20] <scummos> it's really unbelieveable
[2:21] <scummos> if you paste in text containing < and >, then it will screw it up totally
[2:21] <scummos> it interprets the < and > as HTML tags
[2:21] <scummos> and if you escape them yourself with &lt; and &gt;, then it escapes those *again*
[2:21] <scummos> seriously, wtf
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, WYSIWYG editors are great.
[2:21] <scummos> if they work they're just okay
[2:21] <scummos> but this doesn't
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[2:24] * akiwiguy|away is now known as akiwiguy
[2:25] * rikkib has mounted USB socket break out board in a plastic box... Live web cam... http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
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[2:25] <rikkib> Now to pull apart the first attempt (green mint tin)
[2:26] * Delboy is now known as Guest22743
[2:33] <[deXter]> I just installed a photo sphere viewer on my Pi. ^_^
[2:38] <Neutron18> silly question, but can the pi power 8 ohm speakers directly from the analog output? :D
[2:40] <ShiftPlusOne> That would draw about 600mA, which I am guessing is way more than allowed.
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[2:41] <[deXter]> In any case, the analog output is terrible
[2:41] <[deXter]> You'd be better off buying a USB sound card
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about gpio
[2:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I am failing at reading today =/
[2:44] <Neutron18> that's fine, it's only going to play 8 bit music anyway
[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know about audio, but I would think not.
[2:45] <ShiftPlusOne> There are cheap speakers which take batteries which might be what you're after.
[2:45] <Neutron18> yeah I went and got my proper speakers
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[3:17] <rikkib> Two 2 liter icecream containers of Raspberries
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[3:25] * ShiftPlusOne should have considered not setting the ban time to 6 days when testing fail2ban. =/
[3:25] <ShiftPlusOne> Now then... to figure out how to get back in
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[3:28] <trentg> Is it possible to run opengl es in a window on rpi?
[3:28] <trentg> X11 window
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[3:39] <Essobi> trentg: afaik all of X is still unaccelerated. so if it does....
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[4:12] <nimtz> does the pi have a serious competitor yet?
[4:12] <ShiftPlusOne> plenty, but none in the price range.
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[4:13] <nimtz> by serious i mean serious
[4:13] <Luke-Jr> ShiftPlusOne: no? I kinda just got one for $5 :P
[4:13] <SpeedEvil> SRS
[4:13] <ShiftPlusOne> and since it's a non-profit, it never will have a competitor.
[4:13] <nimtz> not something that does the same thing at 3 times the price
[4:14] <Luke-Jr> I bought a 3 TB NAS for $5 more than 3 TB bare price
[4:14] <nimtz> non-profits can "compete"
[4:14] <Luke-Jr> embedded PPC running Linux
[4:14] <nimtz> b
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> there's also zipit z2
[4:15] <ShiftPlusOne> (a discontinued product which is fairly cheap now and very hackable)
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> the vendor that was selling them recently emailed me to say running out of stock
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> he was doing 18 of them for 180
[4:18] <SpeedEvil> Luke-Jr: with GPL offer?
[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, but I think they always send out the email saying they are running out.
[4:18] <SpeedEvil> 180 dollars
[4:18] <SpeedEvil> that too
[4:18] <ShiftPlusOne> I expect they will be running out for a while longer.
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> but shipping to the UK murders it unless you can find someone to devoid
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> feedbox
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> debox
[4:19] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah =(
[4:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Well not, UK in my case, but still as bad.
[4:19] <Luke-Jr> SpeedEvil: yes, I confirmed I could build the kernel myself before I ordered
[4:19] <Luke-Jr> SpeedEvil: I saw uboot and other code in there too
[4:19] <SpeedEvil> Luke-Jr: link?
[4:20] <Luke-Jr> sale's over now, but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136880
[4:20] <Luke-Jr> current best deal looks like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148661
[4:20] <Luke-Jr> also verified the code is there for the Seagate, but didn't patch it to build
[4:20] <SpeedEvil> oh
[4:20] <SpeedEvil> fail
[4:21] <Luke-Jr> (both of these have kernels too old for my GNU Make)
[4:21] <SpeedEvil> I thought you were UK based for some reason
[4:21] <Luke-Jr> lol
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[4:21] <ShiftPlusOne> I picked up a 1 TB one from ebay recently for about $100 >=/
[4:21] <Luke-Jr> ShiftPlusOne: new? :P
[4:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[4:21] <Luke-Jr> oh, 1 TB
[4:21] <Luke-Jr> that's no deal!
[4:21] <ShiftPlusOne> exactly
[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> have you tried installing some custom distro on it or anything like that yet?
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[4:22] <ShiftPlusOne> It comes fairly open with ssh support an everything. It doesn't look like they go out of their way to lock you out.
[4:22] <Luke-Jr> ShiftPlusOne: it's expected to deliver on Monday :P
[4:23] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok
[4:23] <Luke-Jr> I don't expect to customize the OS though
[4:23] <Luke-Jr> but we'll see
[4:23] <Luke-Jr> (I figure a Gentoo chroot should be sufficient)
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[4:27] <SpeedEvil> most fun Linux box I've seen recently is the flu card
[4:27] <SpeedEvil> SD card form factor
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[4:27] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[4:27] <Essobi> SpeedEvil: links?
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[4:28] <SpeedEvil> http://meuk.spritesserver.nl/foto/gallery/image/14319/IMG_0897.JPG
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[4:28] <ShiftPlusOne> crazy
[4:28] <SpeedEvil> http://dx.com/p/flucard-sd-memory-card-w-wi-fi-for-camera-white-4gb-162942
[4:29] <SpeedEvil> OK, only 24m ram, but still
[4:29] <Essobi> woa
[4:29] <Essobi> that's neat
[4:30] <ShiftPlusOne> how do you go about hacking your own kernel/distro on it?
[4:31] <SpeedEvil> various people are investigating that
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, I thought you were already past that stage
[4:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Can't find much on that keyasic soc.
[4:32] <SpeedEvil> http://arktronic.com/weblog/2011-10-01/flucard-pro-review
[4:33] <SpeedEvil> you can get a shell
[4:33] <SpeedEvil> the CPU is under the ram chip
[4:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I though it was the keyasic chip. So I guess that's some custom asic chip then. =/
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[4:45] <nickgaw> Hi, After resizing the ext2 filesystem on the sd card with resize2fs -M how can I tell the ammount of megs the entire sdcard takes up?
[4:45] <bbond007> df
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[4:47] <nickgaw> I mount the partition first then do df -h and it is 1.7G but my question is how when using dd do I tell it to end after 1.7 G and not to make a 4 GB card image as my sd card is 4 GB?
[4:48] <bbond007> the image i think is 2gb, so it will end there
[4:48] <nickgaw> so if I do dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdcard.img the image will end at 2 GB not 4 GB?
[4:48] <bbond007> yes
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> wait, you resized the .img file?
[4:49] <bbond007> then you can go into fdisk and remove the partition, recreate it any size that is larger, then resize2fs
[4:50] <nickgaw> no the sd card not the image file as I want to make a backup of it but want it to be as small as possible.
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, got it.
[4:50] <bbond007> you can't go smaller... just larger
[4:51] <ShiftPlusOne> you can go smaller with gparted
[4:51] <nickgaw> resize2fs -M shrunk the partition.
[4:51] <ShiftPlusOne> so you should be able to go smaller if you know the commands
[4:51] <bbond007> cool, never tried it. i'm not sure why i'd want to go smaller anyway
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[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> That's not a bad idea. If I was trying to do the same thing I'd probably do it a more stupid convoluted way (take the dd backup, mount the backup on PC, zero the empty space, then compress).
[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, a clonezilla backup might be the best option.
[4:54] <nickgaw> never tried that method before. What is in the fedora raspberrypi image and does ssh start on boot?
[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> What do you mean by what is in it?
[4:56] <nickgaw> does it have X and what other tools are included and does ssh startup on boot?
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> When I tried it ages ago, it didn't have X preinstalled
[4:56] <nickgaw> are there any raspbian images with no X windows or do they all have X?
[4:56] <[deXter]> Anyways, I'm amazed I can view and serve photo spheres on the Pi!
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> hexxeh's images
[4:57] <trentg> Any opengl programmers here? How do you exit directly to command prompt without Ctrl-C?
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> nickgaw: http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[4:57] <mdim> who has Arch Linux ARM with XBMC on top of it? Does it fit on a 4 GB card?
[4:59] <ShiftPlusOne> trentg: I am no expert, but what are you using to create the surface and handle the input?
[5:00] <[deXter]> mdim, I don't use XBMC, I use omxplayer on the Pi. I do have XBMC but on a separate card, and it's OpenElec not Arch
[5:00] <trentg> EGL and tty input. On escape I return from main but I'm still hanging in the console until Ctrl-C
[5:01] <nickgaw> is there a fedora installer like there is a raspbian one if I wish to do a custom install?
[5:01] <trentg> And every example I've seen so far uses Ctrl-C to terminal
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> what about the quake example?
[5:02] <trentg> Where's that?
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> on the raspberrypi github
[5:02] <ShiftPlusOne> trentg: not sure, but I would expect that you're not destroying the surface properly somehow. Maybe if you go through SDL first, it might be a bit better.
[5:02] <trentg> Cool. I'll check it out thanks
[5:03] <trentg> I'm destroying the surface
[5:03] <ShiftPlusOne> no clue =(
[5:03] <trentg> I get back to a console, it's just hung accepting input on stdin
[5:03] <trentg> Well the quake example may help, thanks
[5:04] <ShiftPlusOne> mind you I haven't tried it, for all I know it's the same issue. Also keep in mind you will need the quake 3 data files.
[5:04] <bbond007> eglTerminate( state->display );
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[5:05] <bbond007> eglDestroyContext( state->display, state->context );
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[5:05] <bbond007> maybe that too
[5:05] <mdim> why is there a license for MPEG-2 that the foundation is selling?
[5:05] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: what do you mean?
[5:06] <mdim> http://www.raspberrypi.com/
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> ...because the license costs money
[5:06] <nickgaw> what does it allow the raspberrypi to do?
[5:06] <mdim> I haven't seen "regular" GNU/Linux distros offering such a thing. Why is RPi different here?
[5:06] <bbond007> you can use mpeg-2 without the license but if they find out the'll send goons over to work you over...
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: ah got it. The license is needed for the GPU to decode mpeg-2 videos. You can still play them using CPU only.
[5:07] <trentg> bbond007: doing that
[5:07] <nickgaw> is there a major difference?
[5:08] <mdim> performance I guess
[5:08] <ShiftPlusOne> You just get a smoother video output without 100% cpu usage.
[5:08] <mdim> do other processors have this enabled by default?
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[5:08] <phire> no
[5:09] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: devices which do will have the cost of the license built into the actual hardware price. Things like settop boxes for example. I am not informed on the topic though.
[5:10] <nickgaw> so why don't they just sell the license in the raspberrypi already?
[5:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and correct me if I am wrong, but your standard PC doesn't do hardware acceleration for video decoding I think.
[5:11] * ShiftPlusOne waits for phire to correct him. >.>
[5:11] <bbond007> ShiftPlusOne, yeah, most do, not on the CPU but on the GPU...
[5:11] <mdim> I don't know, so that's why I'm asking
[5:11] <CelticTurnip> pretty much every Windows app if that's what you mean by standard PC off loads video decoding to the video hardware
[5:11] <phire> ShiftPlusOne, Some gpus do, in which case the license is built into the cost of the gpu
[5:11] <CelticTurnip> both nvidia and amd have decoders built in
[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, that's what I would've expected
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[5:12] <mdim> can you give me one example where this MPEG-2 license key would be useful?
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[5:13] <nickgaw> ok dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdcard.img made me a 3 GB image not at 2 GB image what do I need to pass to dd to make this be correct?
[5:13] <bbond007> DVDs are mpeg2
[5:13] <des2> mdim is's a problem with the GPU
[5:13] <phire> Most countries stream high def tv over mpeg2
[5:13] <mdim> bbond007: so, if I'm not planning to do anything with DVDs with my RPi, there's no need for the key?
[5:14] <des2> They didn't pay the license fee for the GPU hardware decoding license.
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: do you intend on watching any mpeg2 videos?
[5:14] <des2> To keep the price down.
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[5:14] <mdim> ShiftPlusOne: can you tell me how to tell mpge2 videos from others?
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: 'file nameofyourvideofile' should give the info you're after.
[5:15] <des2> If your PI will be used as a media center you'll probably eventually want the license.
[5:16] <mdim> and what's VC-1 for?
[5:16] <ShiftPlusOne> guess
[5:18] <mdim> some more proprietary stuff as far as I can see
[5:18] <des2> Some Microsoft thing that no one probably uses
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> the answer is the same as before, except instead of mpeg it's vc-1
[5:18] <A318T> VC1 is a (not very popular) codec from Microsoft that was intended to compete with h264
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> all those licenses are for video codecs.
[5:20] <nickgaw> for a user mainly using the device to play audio and over ssh will the licenses help me at all?
[5:20] <A318T> no
[5:20] <A318T> video codecs...
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> not at all
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you're an audiophile in which case it will reduce the skin effect in the wires and give a more vibrant sound
[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> </lie>
[5:21] <nickgaw> is raspi-config around for fedora or just raspbian?
[5:21] <A318T> sounds like bs to me
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> A318T: yes, I was just making fun of some of the myths about audio.
[5:22] <A318T> nickgaw, raspi-config just masks commands that are simple to run via ssh
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[5:23] <A318T> ShiftPlusOne, it's really hard to pull of sarcasm in text...
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[5:24] <nickgaw> can I get a copy of raspi-config for fedora?
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[5:24] <A318T> https://github.com/asb/raspi-config
[5:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's written with debian systems in mind, so I am not sure how useful it would be.
[5:25] <A318T> as ShiftPlusOne different distros use different packages and keep config files in different locations
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[5:25] <A318T> and without apt-get or dpkg it probably won't be of much use
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I see update-rc.d which I am pretty sure is a debianism.
[5:25] <nickgaw> it would be.
[5:25] <ShiftPlusOne> if that's a word.
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[5:26] <A318T> so short answer is no
[5:26] <A318T> if you know how to configure a base system then it
[5:26] <nickgaw> what about the resizing of the partition?
[5:26] <ShiftPlusOne> a lot of dpkg-reconfigure as well.
[5:26] <A318T> 's not of much use anyway
[5:27] <A318T> nickgaw, google will help you, just tell him I sent you.
[5:30] <nickgaw> is github free?
[5:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think they'll just give it to you, but you can host your projects on it for free.
[5:32] <nickgaw> that is what I mean free for hosting things on?
[5:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I know, yes of course.
[5:33] <nickgaw> and later can you delete your project from there if you wish?
[5:33] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[5:33] <nickgaw> do they have support you can contact if you need help with their service?
[5:33] <ShiftPlusOne> They documentation is pretty good.
[5:34] <nickgaw> is there a method for contacting anyone should I wish to do so?
[5:34] <ShiftPlusOne> and you can get community help.
[5:34] <ShiftPlusOne> like IRC for example, but don't expect proper customer support.
[5:35] <ShiftPlusOne> You can email them, but meh.
[5:35] <nickgaw> do they give you a git repository?
[5:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe you should browse their website. You'll find better answers there than anything I can provide.
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[5:39] <nickgaw> I will look at it.
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[5:39] <nickgaw> why is there about 3 kernel images on the boot partition of the sdcard when kernel.img is the main one?
[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> what are the file names?
[5:40] <nickgaw> there was like kernel.img kernel-emergency.img then another kernel-64.img?
[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> thre's no kernel-64 O_o
[5:40] <ShiftPlusOne> there's cutdown.
[5:41] <nickgaw> that was the one I was thinking of
[5:41] <nickgaw> what does it do?
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Emergency is sort of a 'safe mode' kernel and cutdown is a cut down kernel. As implied by the file names.
[5:42] <nickgaw> how can I make it use either of the others?
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> the bootloader loads kernel.img, so whichever one is named kernel.img is the one that will be loaded.
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[5:44] <nickgaw> what happens if you plugin the raspberrypi then insert the sd card?
[5:44] <ShiftPlusOne> nothing
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[5:45] <nickgaw> does the filesystem on the boot partition need to be a vfat filesystem?
[5:45] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[5:46] <nickgaw> I thought there was bare metal booting ability on the raspberrypi?
[5:46] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[5:46] <A318T> nickgaw, you ask a hell of allot of questions...
[5:46] <nickgaw> so then should not any filesystem work?
[5:47] <ShiftPlusOne> nickgaw: no, the GPU is hardcoded to load up whatever is on the vfat partition
[5:47] <nickgaw> do filenames matter?
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[5:48] <ShiftPlusOne> bootcode.bin is what the gpu loads first and that's the official, closed source bootloader which takes care of all of the gpu magic and loads kernel.img
[5:48] <nickgaw> I am trying to find the smallest linux system to run on the raspberrypi and lots of them contain lots of tools I will never use what one do you think is the smallest one out there?
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> busybox
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> check out buildroot
[5:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I meant to type buildroot but my brain went for busybox for some reason.
[5:49] <nickgaw> your saying recompiling it and then removing everything else?
[5:50] <A318T> arch is pretty light out of the box
[5:50] <ShiftPlusOne> No, I am saying you use buildroot to compile your own highly customizable rootfs
[5:50] <CelticTurnip> if you're confident not using Linux the current FreeBSD install is 73MB
[5:50] <CelticTurnip> but you'd want to be pretty confident with BSDs before you bother
[5:50] <nickgaw> I am fine with linux but where can I find this freeBSD install?
[5:51] <CelticTurnip> have you used FreeBSD before? do you know how to build/patch an OS from source?
[5:51] <CelticTurnip> http://kernelnomicon.org/
[5:52] <nickgaw> so your saying I would have to compile it from source or could I use ports to install software like normal freeBSD uses?
[5:52] <CelticTurnip> you can use ports, but it's an older build of 10-current, you'll need to understand how the build world stuff works to update it
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[5:53] <nickgaw> where can I find it?
[5:53] <CelticTurnip> probably from the link I already posted
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[5:53] <[deXter]> hmm, apparently USB keyboards don't work yet
[5:53] <A318T> of course they do
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[5:53] <CelticTurnip> [deXter]: correct
[5:53] <A318T> just not hotplug
[5:53] <des2> Last I checked the RPI doesn't have a PS/2 port.
[5:54] <[deXter]> des2, I'm talking about FreeBSD
[5:54] <des2> I know.
[5:54] <A318T> oh
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[5:54] <[deXter]> :)
[5:55] <CelticTurnip> nickgaw: if you've never run a FreeBSD current before you should consider other options, unless you're prepared to be cross compiling, and getting your hands dirty :)
[5:55] <nickgaw> I have run freeBSD under qemu before.
[5:55] <tdy> probably -release
[5:56] <nickgaw> yes release.
[5:56] <nickgaw> does audio work on the raspberrypi under freeBSD yet?
[5:56] <CelticTurnip> they're 2 different monsters, you might want to check out the differences on the FreeBSD website but hey go for it... I love me some BSD, and when I finally get around to bothering it's the OS I'll be putting on my spare 512MBer
[5:57] <CelticTurnip> nickgaw: you've got the links, read :)
[5:57] <nickgaw> I am on the site now. asked before I typed in the URL
[5:57] <des2> Audio doesn't work fully on the PRi yet period.
[5:57] <CelticTurnip> if you're expecting it to be as full featured as Linux currently you've got hopes... the road map is for full support in 10-release
[5:58] <nickgaw> will the freeBSD handbook help me on the upgrading process?
[5:59] <CelticTurnip> if you follow the links and comments on http://kernelnomicon.org/ you'll find what you need, the handbook is pretty much required reading for any FreeBSD user/admin
[5:59] <CelticTurnip> there's a NetBSD port too, links on google :)
[6:00] <nickgaw> netBSD is a mess. does not really include automatic updating like freeBSD does.
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[6:01] <CelticTurnip> if you think 10-current on the Pi is going to be anything less than a mess you're dreaming, it's not a -release, it's a long way from being a -release :)
[6:01] <CelticTurnip> there are custom pi only scripts for updating, it's nothing like 9-release
[6:01] <CelticTurnip> or 8.x-release
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[6:02] <CelticTurnip> you might want to check out the difference between release, stable, and current before you make your mind up :)
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[6:03] <CelticTurnip> personally I'm hoping oneday all of the firmware is open sourced so we can see OpenBSD on the Pi, it's pretty much the perfect OpenBSD router platform :)
[6:04] <nickgaw> I have messed with freeBSD 8.2
[6:04] <ShiftPlusOne> they won't opensource it, but there is hope of an open source alternative.
[6:05] <CelticTurnip> ShiftPlusOne: yeah I've been talking to gumboot (the arm guy) a bit on #openbsd about other arm platforms
[6:05] <des2> Considering the one Ethernet port it has is ethernet over USB I wouldn't say it was perfect.
[6:05] <CelticTurnip> really? sticking to my Soekris's then :)
[6:06] <des2> Yes the ethernet thing hangs off the USB hub the PI has.
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[6:07] <tdy> hmm yep it's in lsusb
[6:07] <tdy> just now noticed
[6:07] <CelticTurnip> I honestly haven't even looked, I fired up XBMC on my 256MBer, and the 512 is for a BSD
[6:08] <CelticTurnip> that thing is just sitting there unopenned, waiting for me to stop being lazy and bother :)
[6:08] <tdy> i'm waiting for my accelerometers to come in before i dig in
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[6:14] <monkeymon> hi
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[6:16] * CelticTurnip cries in the corner now that his dreams of a Pi powered OpenBSD wi-fi router are dead
[6:16] <CelticTurnip> thanks des2 :P
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[6:32] <A318T> des2 to be more accurate the ethernet chip includes a 2 port USB hub and is connected to the SoC's single USB port
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[8:14] <arunkumar413> hi, i connected the rpi to the router using the ethernet cable. now i wan to run commands on rpi using ssh
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[8:21] <arunkumar413> how to know the ip address of the rpi from the ssh terminal of a laptop
[8:24] <tdy> no admin access to the router?
[8:25] <arunkumar413> tdy: no
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[8:27] <tdy> probably have to mount+edit the sd card to use a static ip address
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[8:27] <tdy> although i'm no expert
[8:28] <tdy> but that's the only way i know of, if you can't just log into the router panel
[8:28] <arunkumar413> tdy: i think i found the ip address of the rpi but when i try to connect using ssh i'm getting connection timed out error
[8:28] <mrmoney2012> i'm on arch - think i'd like to simply over clock the arm to 800??? no on demand thing just lock it at 800 - how ?
[8:29] <mrmoney2012> is it two lines force_turbo=1 and arm_freq=800
[8:29] <mrmoney2012> that is all ?
[8:29] <tdy> /boot/config.txt
[8:29] <tdy> i believe so
[8:30] <mrmoney2012> i need those two lines right - nothing else...
[8:30] <mrmoney2012> ok, ta??? will try it
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[8:37] <arunkumar413> ubable to ssh login to the rpi. please help
[8:39] <mrmoney2012> ip address problem ? check home router for DHCP allocation ?
[8:39] <mrmoney2012> can you ping it ?
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[8:43] <arunkumar413> mrmoney2012: ping what? router
[8:44] <arunkumar413> mrmoney2012: i'm able to connect to the intent using the router
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[8:48] <tdy> no, as in ping the rpi
[8:48] <tdy> you're not really sure what the ip is.. you just said you "think you found" it
[8:48] <tdy> what happens when you ping that ip
[8:49] <arunkumar413> tdy: connection timed out
[8:50] <tdy> then it's not the right ip
[8:50] <arunkumar413> tdy: but i'm not sure if that is the ip, previously i shared my laptop internet now i directly connected the rpi to the router. I'm not sure if ssh is enabled in rpi at boot
[8:51] <tdy> it's auto enabled on the official images
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[8:51] <tdy> well, raspbian and arch at least.. i've never used the risc one
[8:51] <arunkumar413> tdy: my first task is to find the ip address of the rpi
[8:52] <rikkib> nmap
[8:52] <monkeymon> anyone using mutt on rpi?
[8:52] <arunkumar413> rikkib: i have nmap installed on my open suse
[8:52] <arunkumar413> rikkib: what's the command
[8:53] <mrmoney2012> arunkumar413: - do you have an iPhone or android ?
[8:53] <arunkumar413> rikkib: only the devices connected to the router not the whole wwan network
[8:53] <arunkumar413> mrmoney2012: no
[8:53] <mrmoney2012> oh
[8:53] <arunkumar413> mrmoney2012: why
[8:53] <rikkib> nmap subnet
[8:54] <rikkib> nmap Or something like that
[8:55] <rikkib> nmap -v -sP
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[8:57] <arunkumar413> rikkib: my router ip is
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[8:57] <pigeta> hi all
[8:58] <rikkib> nmap -v -sP
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[9:00] <rikkib> nmap -v -sP
[9:00] <rikkib> Is the best one
[9:00] * rikkib on expert with netmasks
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[9:01] <tdy> does that just brute force ping all the local IPs?
[9:01] <arunkumar413> rikkib: its taking a lot of time
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[9:02] <rikkib> SDomething like that
[9:03] <mrmoney2012> interesting - when i aplay a sound via usb sound is good - processor under load - sound is bad.
[9:03] <mrmoney2012> sound quality that is
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[9:05] <arunkumar413> rikkib: its taking a lot of time
[9:05] <rikkib> nmap -v -sP
[9:06] <rikkib> stop it an run that subnmet mask
[9:06] <rikkib> Nmap done: 256 IP addresses (6 hosts up) scanned in 2.40 seconds
[9:07] <tdy> or mount+edit the sd card to set the ip
[9:07] <mrmoney2012> force_turbo=1 and arm_freq=900 <- safe to use ? stable ?
[9:08] <arunkumar413> rikkib: http://pastebin.com/FNZgBvpn
[9:09] <mrmoney2012> i don't think i see a pi there
[9:09] <mrmoney2012> thought the mac addresses for Pi start B8
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[9:13] <rikkib> Host is up (0.00069s latency).
[9:13] <rikkib> MAC Address: B8:27:EB:10:B8:BF (Unknown)
[9:13] <rikkib> Host is up (0.00051s latency).
[9:13] <rikkib> MAC Address: B8:27:EB:42:3C:C5 (Unknown)
[9:14] <rikkib> My two RPi
[9:15] <rikkib> #
[9:15] <rikkib> Nmap scan report for
[9:15] <rikkib> #
[9:15] <rikkib> Host is up (0.14s latency).
[9:15] <rikkib> #
[9:15] <rikkib> MAC Address: 08:ED:B9:F2:E0:89 (Unknown)
[9:15] <rikkib> His
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[9:21] <pigeta> i just install my raspbian now i start read varius faqs and see monitor go black is normal?
[9:21] <arunkumar413> rikkib: is 08:ED:B9:F2:E0:89 my rpi?
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[9:23] <arunkumar413> rikkib: u there
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[9:24] <mrmoney2012> B8:27:EB - my starting mac aslso
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[9:27] <lodenrogue> hello
[9:28] <lodenrogue> anyone on?
[9:29] <pigeta> me yea
[9:29] <lodenrogue> hi
[9:29] <lodenrogue> Do you own a raspberry pi model B?
[9:30] <n1ko> model a's are so rare that its like asking a random guy on a street if his cars have three of four wheels :)
[9:30] <lodenrogue> lol
[9:30] <bbond007> i have a model b 512 and a mk802 clone with 1gb
[9:31] <lodenrogue> I apologize. I am new to this whole raspberry pi world
[9:31] <pigeta> y it come friday for me
[9:31] <pigeta> y me too
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[9:31] <pigeta> mk802 is a memory card?
[9:32] <lodenrogue> i am trying to convince my wife to get me one for christmas. Is there good community support for this product?
[9:32] <bbond007> no its another small pc
[9:32] <bbond007> like a RPi
[9:33] <pigeta> a ok
[9:34] <pigeta> guys to change my monitor resolution what's the comand?
[9:34] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf
[9:35] <bbond007> you need to edit config.txt
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[9:35] <arunkumar413> please help me to find the ip address of my rpi
[9:36] <bbond007> its
[9:36] <n1ko> ifconfig
[9:37] <arunkumar413> n1ko: i'm not on rpi, rpi is connected to the router using ethernet. i'm on laptop connected to router using wi-fi
[9:37] <bbond007> you need to download a network scanner on your laptop.
[9:38] <bbond007> or log into your router and look at the dhcp leases
[9:38] <artag> do the nmap scan again, with rpi unplugged from the router. as long as there aren't other things changing, the difference will show up the pi
[9:38] <el_robin> arunkumar413: maybe you can get this information from your router
[9:38] <tdy> he has no admin access.. and he tried nmap with no success
[9:38] <arunkumar413> n1ko: laptop---->wifi---->router<-----ethernet<------rpi
[9:38] <n1ko> arunkumar413: dhcp table of the router will you it ten
[9:38] <tdy> i suggested editing the sd card for a static address several times, but he seems to want none of that
[9:38] <lodenrogue> does the raspberry pi come with an OS?
[9:38] <bbond007> plug a monitor and kb into the pi and log in
[9:38] <tdy> http://www.penguintutor.com/linux/raspberrypi-headless
[9:39] <arunkumar413> bbond007: but no monitor
[9:39] <n1ko> arunkumar413: but i would suggest you put a static ip on it, so you dont have to fiddle around like that :)
[9:39] <arunkumar413> n1ko: how to put it when i'm not able to find the rpi
[9:40] <tdy> it could be googled, but i even gave a link..
[9:40] <lodenrogue> does the raspberry pi come with an OS?
[9:40] <bbond007> what is the ip of your pc? because its prolly close to the same with a different ending #
[9:41] <bbond007> just go down the line, 101, 102...
[9:41] <n1ko> antlarr: take out the sd card, put in your reader, mount the partition, edit /etc/network/interfaces, put it back in rpi, profit
[9:41] <n1ko> sorry, arunkumar413
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[9:42] <bbond007> but unless you configured it with some sort of remote access, you'll need a monitor and whatnot to configure it properly for remote access
[9:42] <tdy> no
[9:42] <tdy> well, not with the official images at least
[9:42] <tdy> sshd is already enabled by default
[9:43] <pigeta> is normal that after a while i don't do nothing keyboard is dead and only thing i can do is plug off power?
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[9:43] <arunkumar413> bbond007: there is a ethernet slot on my laptop. can i plug it and find the address
[9:44] <artag> yes, but you need to either run a packet sniffer or a dhcp server on your laptop
[9:44] <bbond007> you would need to load ICS on your PC, then it will assign an IP to the PI
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[9:44] <lodenrogue> ok thanks guys
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[9:45] <bbond007> hopefully the pi or your notebook support auto-xover on the ethernet, because really you should have a hub between
[9:45] <bbond007> or use xover cable
[9:45] <artag> i believe the pi does
[9:45] <bbond007> most everything does anymore
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[9:46] <artag> though I always like to have a hub for the blinkenlights
[9:46] <n1ko> arunkumar413: you wont find the address plugged in your laptop since theres nothing giving out the ip to the rpi :)
[9:46] <arunkumar413> ok, now connected the pi to the laptop using the ethernet cable
[9:46] <rikkib> RPi eth is auto
[9:46] <bbond007> n1ko, if he loads ICS, the notebook will act as a dhcp server
[9:46] <arunkumar413> rikkib: now how to find the ip addresss
[9:47] <n1ko> arunkumar413: the address isn't some magical value hard coded in to the rpi, its given out from the dhcp server
[9:47] <rikkib> I told you how... nmap
[9:47] <n1ko> bbond007: sure, but he could have still seen the address from the routers dhcp table :)
[9:47] <arunkumar413> n1ko: nmap what? router or lapotp
[9:47] <n1ko> more easily
[9:47] <bbond007> n1ko, yeah... i have to admit, most ppl don't have this problem.
[9:48] <rikkib> the stuff you posted said ip address
[9:48] <rikkib> Nmap scan report for
[9:48] <rikkib> ping
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[9:49] <tdy> arunkumar413: why do you refuse to just assign a static IP? you've literally spent the last hour trying to find the IP this way
[9:49] <tdy> you could edit the sd card and be done in 5 min
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[9:49] <arunkumar413> rikkib: i receive the packets
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[9:50] <arunkumar413> tdy: i don't know how to assign a static ip address
[9:50] <rikkib> ssh
[9:50] <tdy> n1ko explained it to you, and i posted a link that gives the exact steps
[9:51] <tdy> anyway, time for me to go, good luck
[9:51] <arunkumar413> tdy, i dont have a monitor nor i have a card reader to edit
[9:51] <artag> card reader is a problem. monitor you don't need
[9:53] <artag> but if you don't have a card reader, how did you write the sd card with the os image ?
[9:53] <bbond007> if you had a tv you could plug it into the tv
[9:53] <bbond007> or a projector
[9:53] <bbond007> what kind of laptop does not have a card reader? apple?
[9:54] <arunkumar413> rikkib: i receive the packets from but not able to login using ssh pi@
[9:54] <artag> plenty of laptops don't have car readers
[9:54] <rikkib> waht does it say?
[9:55] <rikkib> ssh -l p
[9:55] <rikkib> ssh -l pi
[9:55] <rikkib> sorry
[9:55] <arunkumar413> rikkib: it says connection timed out
[9:55] <rikkib> That means ssh is not going
[9:55] <bbond007> that means there is no ssh server running or that is the wrong device.
[9:56] <artag> I think you'd get connection refused if ssh wasn't running
[9:56] <artag> ping, and while it's pinging, unplug the ethernet. make sure it stops.
[9:57] <arunkumar413> artag: no it's not stopping
[9:57] <artag> then that's not the pi's Ip
[9:58] <rikkib> oh dear
[9:58] <bbond007> just to be sure dunk the RPi under some water
[9:58] <rikkib> haha
[9:58] <pigeta> don't know why after a while usb keyboard don't want work and i have to power off raspberry
[9:59] <bbond007> sometimes my KB does not work on boot and its on the same wireless dongle as the mouse :) usb is not perfect
[9:59] <arunkumar413> pigeta: may be because of the currennt
[9:59] <arunkumar413> pigeta: how r u powering the rpi
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[9:59] <pigeta> by htc power supply 5v 1A
[10:00] <rikkib> Do you have a multi meter
[10:00] <arunkumar413> pigeta: r u sure its rated 1a
[10:00] <pigeta> y i have a multimeter
[10:01] <rikkib> test on the RPi Points marked tp1 and tp2
[10:01] <arunkumar413> pigeta: turn the keyboard upside down and check if there is any current and voltage rating mentioned
[10:01] <rikkib> Voltage must be above 4.75v
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[10:01] <pigeta> i fount tp1 but not tp2
[10:02] <rikkib> other side of the board
[10:02] <rikkib> by the yellow bit
[10:02] <rikkib> rca con
[10:02] <pigeta> ah near video rca
[10:03] <pigeta> positive in tp1 or tp2?
[10:03] <rikkib> not matter
[10:03] <rikkib> meter just says -
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[10:03] <rikkib> Unless it is analogue
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[10:04] <pigeta> 4.59 v
[10:04] <arunkumar413> :)
[10:04] <pigeta> can be this?
[10:05] <rikkib> can be this
[10:05] <arunkumar413> now connect the keybaord, mouse etc,.. and check
[10:05] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[10:05] <pigeta> no no
[10:05] <pigeta> is already connect mouse and keyboard
[10:06] <rikkib> What distro?
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[10:06] <pigeta> ok now keyboard don't work anymore i test volts again
[10:07] <pigeta> now keyboard dead is 4.94 v
[10:07] <arunkumar413> wish rpi had a 1000uf capactior to avoid loading
[10:08] <pigeta> seem like usb go to sleep
[10:09] <rikkib> Sounds like your keyboard draws to much current out of the RPi
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[10:09] <arunkumar413> pigeta: turn the keyboad upside down and check the current ratings
[10:10] <rikkib> Is your keyboard plugged into the RPi or a powered hub?
[10:10] <scummos> arunkumar413: haha, what?
[10:10] <scummos> oh you mean, see what it reads
[10:10] <arunkumar413> scummos: yes
[10:11] <arunkumar413> scummos: ratings are mentioned on a sticker
[10:11] <pigeta> you mean i change usb port?
[10:11] <scummos> ok
[10:12] <pigeta> or you wanna know what kind of keyboard i have?
[10:12] <rikkib> Is your keyboard plugged into your RPi directly?
[10:13] <pigeta> y
[10:13] <pigeta> now i change usb port
[10:13] <arunkumar413> pigeta: totally what are all teh peripheral connected to rpi
[10:13] <rikkib> RPi usb ports are only capable of handling/providing 150mA total
[10:14] <rikkib> between the two ports
[10:14] <pigeta> now keyboard only
[10:14] <pigeta> and see via rca video cable
[10:14] <rikkib> any more and your voltage drops out of range and the usb chip no go anymore
[10:14] <rikkib> buy a powered hub
[10:15] <pigeta> keyboard is microsoft wired keybord 600 5V 100 mA
[10:15] <arunkumar413> pigeta: check with another powersupply
[10:15] <rikkib> 100mA + mouse + your RPi no go
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[10:16] <pigeta> mouse benq 5 V 100 mA
[10:16] <rikkib> 200mA is way out of spec
[10:16] <pigeta> try only keyboard should work?
[10:17] <rikkib> Probably nothing wrong with your power supply
[10:17] <arunkumar413> try with laptop usb slot to power. I'm using it without any damage to the usb port of laptop. I think mine has a current booster
[10:17] <rikkib> probably but you have no X then
[10:17] <arunkumar413> arunkumar413: i have an hp laptop
[10:17] <pigeta> now i put only keyboard and read value
[10:18] <rikkib> I need to warn you... arunkmar413's advice is not good
[10:18] <arunkumar413> pigeta: istead of checking voltages and calcualtions check with another powersupply
[10:19] <pigeta> now is 4.62 and 4.68 v
[10:19] <rikkib> He can not even connect to his RPi
[10:19] <rikkib> You need a powered hub
[10:19] <rikkib> You need a powered hub
[10:20] <pigeta> 100mA for a keyboard and mouse is high?
[10:20] <rikkib> RPi draw 450mA and up
[10:20] <rikkib> 100mA for a keyboard means over 500mA
[10:21] <pigeta> no i mean what the regoular amperage for a keyboard
[10:21] <Macer> how does that work?
[10:21] <Macer> 100 = 500?
[10:22] <rikkib> Whatever. I use powered hubs and 35mA - 45mA wireless keyboards/mice
[10:22] <arunkumar413> rikkib: but the adapter rating is 1A. the currnt draw is within the range
[10:23] <Macer> i just use my pi as a glorified media center heh
[10:23] <arunkumar413> i'm going bye
[10:23] <pigeta> i have this hub http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=14789 can be ok?
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[10:24] <rikkib> Take the load off the RPi and the critical chips and your RPi will run fine
[10:24] <rikkib> Anything else and you will have problems as seen by regulars here... My keyboard or wireless dongle does not work
[10:25] <rikkib> are you running a powered hub... No
[10:25] <rikkib> Tere are some basic disciplines to computing.
[10:25] <rikkib> There
[10:26] <pigeta> ok now with only keyboard after a while keyboard don't respond anymore and voltage go up to 4.95 V
[10:26] <Macer> do bt adapters not work on a pi?
[10:26] <Macer> bt is rather low powered
[10:27] <pigeta> i try whit that hub what you say guys?
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[10:28] <rikkib> I have two hubs here... Both cheap and nasty... Both work
[10:29] <pigeta> but i cant find how many Ampere this hub can make
[10:29] <rikkib> I have two camera's here one cheap the other a little more... The cheap one works best but both work well
[10:29] <artag> it probably depends more on the hub power supply than the hub itself
[10:30] <pigeta> ok i fount on power supply 5V 1.2A 6W
[10:30] <pigeta> i try
[10:30] <rikkib> I have any number of different keyboards/mice... All but a recent MS wireless 800 work
[10:31] <rikkib> Logitech MK320 works real well
[10:32] <rikkib> I run 1.2 cell phone chargers wall worts and also DC-DC converter to power
[10:32] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[10:33] <pigeta> ok let's try with hub
[10:33] <rikkib> Remember the software running on your RPi is in the unstable development phase
[10:34] <pigeta> what mean?
[10:34] <rikkib> It does have issues however there is also a lot of people doing bad things with there RPi that makes them unstab;e
[10:35] <rikkib> You are the guinea pigs
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[10:35] <pigeta> ok now at start keyboard work and have alway 4.62-4.68 V
[10:36] <rikkib> That is fine for people like me... But others struggle at first
[10:36] <artag> that's painfully low. I suspect it only just works, eventually crashing and halting. then the voltage rises because the power drain is smaller
[10:37] <rikkib> Zachery
[10:38] <rikkib> But internal resets do not happen and the usb system ain't ever going to responde
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[10:38] <pigeta> maybe htc power supply?
[10:39] <artag> don't know, but if you have alternatives, try them
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[10:41] <rikkib> A RPi draws 450mA when run with a powered hub. Any 1A supply will do the job as long as it supplies 5 - 5.25V.
[10:41] <artag> yes. some might drop under load but a hub psu may be better than a phone charger
[10:42] <pigeta> now with hub seem work
[10:42] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf
[10:42] <pigeta> before afte 5 min keyboard won't work anymore and now yes
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[10:43] <rikkib> Never power your RPi through the USB port. If hub back feeds the RPi you need to disconect it to power up again
[10:44] <rikkib> In othjer words plug the main power feed first and then plug the hub that back feeds in
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> morning from soggy Devon.
[10:44] <rikkib> We beat the Welsh
[10:45] <rikkib> Another miserable winter in England huh?
[10:47] <pigeta> mmmm now keyboard is dead again
[10:48] <artag> pigeta: while the keyboard is working, start something on the pi that runs continuously. then when the keyboard stops working you'll know whether it's just the keyboard or the whole thing
[10:48] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[10:49] <pigeta> like run top command?
[10:49] <artag> yeah
[10:50] <pigeta> ok
[10:51] <pigeta> maybe the usb port have a sleep mode if i dont work for a while?
[10:53] <pigeta> now wait
[10:58] <pigeta> top run keyboard and mouse is dead
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, local flooding overnight.
[10:58] <artag> so the pi is still going ?
[10:59] <rikkib> Where I am sitting is below sea level by a foot or two
[10:59] <rikkib> Never had wet feet here
[10:59] <pigeta> y pi,lxde,top run but keyboard and mouse no
[11:00] <rikkib> 52 years
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[11:00] <rikkib> I live on a flat peat swamp plain
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[11:00] <artag> so it seems like the keyboard is the reason for the current dropping ? that's surprising
[11:00] <rikkib> Never ever seen a bad weather event here
[11:01] <artag> something else you could try .. instead of top, run 'tail -f /var/log/dmesg'
[11:01] <SoulRaven> i have a offtopic question, anybody knows any applicaion that combine multiple cloud storage solutions? like, drobox, amazon, gdrive, yandex, U1, skydrive?
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[11:03] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, I started making a new better usb break out box today... In front of the cam now. http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> not sure what I'm looking at, but it has flashging lights and lots of wires, so must be good :)
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> can't work out if a comment to my site is spammy/link laundering or not... The comment is: I think the admin of this web site is genuinely working hard in support of his web site, as here
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> every data is quality based information.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> and it links to: http://www.minecrafthumor.com/
[11:05] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[11:05] <artag> sounds like spam
[11:05] <scummos> yeah, sounds like spam
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[11:06] <rikkib> smeels like spam
[11:06] <scummos> it's totally generic and it has a link
[11:06] <scummos> so it's probably spam ;)
[11:06] <rikkib> smells
[11:06] <rikkib> must be spam
[11:06] <rikkib> minecraft being the tell tail sign
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> but oddly enough I actually watched some minecraft tutorial videos last night... and was almost sucked in...
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[11:08] <rikkib> search krebs bennett to see what I do to scummy hacker/spammers
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> right quick shower, then off out again to take more photos of the floods I took last night
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/floods-in-buckfastleigh/
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[11:09] <rikkib> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/01/battling-the-zombie-web-site-armies/
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[11:11] <pigeta> ok i run 'tail -f /var/log/dmesg' now wait?
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, yea. good stuff there indeed.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> pigeta, no - that file will never grow on a debian system
[11:12] * rikkib Time for this little kiwi to go to bed...
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> pigeta, not sure what you're after but try kern.log
[11:13] <pigeta> i see mmc0: missed completation of cmd 18 DMA (512/512) -ignoring it
[11:13] <pigeta> mmc0:DMa IRQ 6 ignored
[11:13] <artag> pigeta: I was interested ot know if it reports USB problems when the keyboard dies
[11:13] <pigeta> ok
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[11:14] <pigeta> and waht gordon mean with kern.log
[11:14] <rikkib> gordonDrogon, Just one of many engagements... I talk to Vinton Cerf, have done for years, about internet governance etc... The WDPRS system is my idea.
[11:14] <rikkib> Night all... Web cam off
[11:15] <pigeta> i go smoke in mean time i wait
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[11:16] <btcbuy316> hey guys can i ask a question about raspberry pi ssh?
[11:16] <n1ko> yep
[11:17] <btcbuy316> is there a way i can connect to my raspberry pi on my laptop and open a browser though ssh? i would like to be able to browse the internet on my laptop, and im thinkijng if i ssh and open up chromium on it, ill be able to use that chrome to go to webpages and just browse
[11:17] <artag> pigeta: yeah, gordonDrogon's right, I should have said 'sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log'
[11:18] <n1ko> btcbuy316: so you want the browser to be running on the rpi?
[11:18] <n1ko> not exactly sure what are you trying archieve, but sure, ssh -X
[11:18] <mgottschlag> ... or do you want an SSH proxy?
[11:21] <btcbuy316> just want the chromium browser to show up on my laptop screen
[11:21] <btcbuy316> ssh -X chromium?
[11:22] <Dyskette> If your laptop has X installed, then ssh -X username@yourpi and run chromium from the ssh terminal after login.
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[11:22] <n1ko> btcbuy316: well you need ip and user also for that to work, but yeah
[11:23] <n1ko> and of course a os that supports X11, windows for example dont (without some magic installed, dont know about the specifics since i dont use windows)
[11:24] <btcbuy314> uv never used windows?
[11:25] <btcbuy314> does mac have X installed?
[11:26] <btcbuy314> n1ko: im guessing you use mac if you dont use windows
[11:26] <n1ko> linux and osx, yes
[11:26] <btcbuy314> yep i knew it
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[11:27] <btcbuy314> if someone doesnt use windows its like 99% chance they are using mac
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[11:28] <pigeta> ok nothing show but keyboard don't work anymore
[11:28] <pigeta> try with sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[11:28] <artag> pigeta: yeah, sorry - you need to do 'sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log'
[11:28] <pigeta> no problem
[11:29] <artag> seems /var/log/dmesg only gets updated at boot on debian
[11:30] <pigeta> could be raspebian that have problem?after do that command try another distro?
[11:31] <artag> no, just tried it on my desktop debian. kern.log is live, dmesg isn't
[11:32] <artag> it's not important, it just seems like the USB system goes away and I wondered what the kernel was reporting
[11:33] <pigeta> damn block but can't read on terminal
[11:33] <artag> does the ethernet still work when the keyboard is dead ?
[11:36] <pigeta> now i could only read raspberrypi kernel: [221.382907] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0 : failed to read registryindex 0x00000114
[11:36] <pigeta> but there is much more
[11:37] <pigeta> can i read the kern.log after i power off and restart siste or all data is lost?
[11:37] <artag> if you had to crash the power off it might not be written
[11:38] <pigeta> so i can read or not?
[11:38] <artag> is tail -f producing output constantly ? I'm not bothered about the old stuff, just what happens when the keyboard dies
[11:39] <artag> you can read, but you might not see the last bits, and those are the interestong ones
[11:39] <artag> it might even get cleared out on reboot, not sure about that
[11:42] <pigeta> ok ken.log is there
[11:42] <pigeta> i try copy and paste here
[11:44] <artag> not the whole log, it will be big. but you might see something like
[11:45] <artag> Nov 25 10:44:31 raspberrypi kernel: [ 229.913817] usb 1-1.2: USB disconnect, device number 5
[11:45] <artag> that's what I see ifI disconnect the keyboard
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[11:51] <pigeta> now that i try to plug in my usb pen drive of sandisk
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[11:53] <pigeta> the led on the pen drive,when keyboard blocked,stop flashing
[11:54] <pigeta> i can't find my usb pendrive with comand mount while is insert on usb hub
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[11:54] <satellit> try powerd hub? is Rpi getting enough juice?
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[11:55] <pigeta> to see debut i i see on lsub
[11:56] <pigeta> 0781:5406 sandisk corp cruzer microu3
[11:56] <pigeta> to mount it?
[11:56] <pigeta> fdisk -l don't show nothing
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[11:57] <satellit> you may have to remove U3 hidden directory first
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[12:03] <dero> just did order some MK8080
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[12:09] <pigeta> why i cant find the device with comand mount
[12:09] <linuxstb> Does "ls -l /dev/sd*" show anything?
[12:09] <pigeta> i change usb pen i put a kingston datatraveler 1 gb and it show me on lsusb
[12:10] <pigeta> i mean pean drive
[12:10] <pigeta> sd i can see
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[12:11] <linuxstb> I'm not talking about SD cards.
[12:12] <linuxstb> (the sd there stands for "SCSI disk" I think), and /dev/sd* are the standard device names for disks in Linux
[12:13] <pigeta> i see brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8,0 oct 29 00:26 /dev/sda and brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8,1 Oct 29 00:26 /dev/sda1
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> d3nd3, ping :)
[12:15] <linuxstb> pigeta: OK, then the USB stick is recognised by the kernel OK. You can try "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[12:16] <linuxstb> If it works, it will say nothing.
[12:16] <linuxstb> But then you can find the contents of the disk in /mnt/
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[12:20] <pigeta> i should make a directory in/mnt maybe?
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[12:21] <linuxstb> pigeta: You can if you want, but no need. The directory you mount the disk to is completely arbitrary - you can mount it to anywhere.
[12:22] <linuxstb> Do you get an error with that command then>
[12:22] <linuxstb> ?
[12:23] <pigeta> no
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[12:41] <luc4> Hi! Anyone who tried to compile the omxplayer recently?
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[12:46] <pigeta> have the kern.log but is very big
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[12:51] <pigeta> i try to resume all kern.log http://pastebin.com/ZeNYftWR
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[12:54] <pigeta> anyway the usb port after 2-3 min always block
[12:57] <pigeta> try with another power supply?
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[13:12] <pigeta> i try another distro like arch
[13:12] <pigeta> to see id raspbian or somethig else
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[13:21] <btcbuy314> anyone know a good heatsinc source? my pi gets very hot and i want to keep it cooler
[13:23] <Armand> Put it in a cooler location ?
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[13:25] <binhex> Why should I "never" use a while-loop in Python ?
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[13:27] <mrmoney2012> OMG - just trying mjpg_streamer and set it to 30 fps - amazing - on pan of course but totally fluid picture
[13:27] <fairuz_> Hi guys. If I want to light up for example 16 LEDs independantly. I can use something like a raspberry with two shift registers right? If my understanding is correct, I must use a cascadable shift registers?
[13:27] <mrmoney2012> cpu not really breaking a sweat
[13:28] <n1ko> btcbuy314: getting very hot is not a problem
[13:28] <artag> pigeta: it seems as though the usb hub / ethernet device stops working, but doesn't give much clue about it. that index 114 thing has been reported on the forums, I think, but I don't know what it means
[13:28] <n1ko> btcbuy314: the heatsink won't help anyways
[13:29] <binhex> How can I emulate the GPIO, say I want to test the code before actually wiring up stuff ?
[13:29] <pigeta> now i try with archlinux
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[13:29] <pigeta> to see if problem remain the same
[13:30] <btcbuy314> n1ko: its a problem for me lol, in all seriousness though i do actually need one, do you or anyone else here know where i can get a good quality one
[13:30] <pigeta> i found a psp power supply 5 v 2A even i try use this to power on my raspberry?
[13:30] <btcbuy314> pigeta: i wouldnt use that
[13:31] <pigeta> why?
[13:31] <btcbuy314> if you want a good power supply you should try the apple iphone or ipad chargers
[13:31] <btcbuy314> they are a little on the pricey side of things but they are very well rated
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[13:31] <btcbuy314> theres another brand thats also good let me find out
[13:31] <n1ko> btcbuy314: no matter how good quality heatsink you find it won't make any difference. If you want something fancy to dress your rpi just pick scrap metal and colour it like you want
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[13:32] <Armand> pigeta, do you have that PSU already, or are you thinking about buying it?
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[13:34] <btcbuy314> n1ko: it may be a small difference but it still makes it a little cooler
[13:35] <btcbuy314> iv noticed a change with my friends raspberry pi first hand
[13:35] <n1ko> i've monitored the change first hand and theres not one ;)
[13:35] <n1ko> and it doesn't really affect anything since the rpi won't be any more stable overclock more or even last longer
[13:36] <n1ko> but anyways, feel free to try firsthand of course. You can buy heatsinks on ebay for example for couple of dollars
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[13:37] <pigeta> armand: i have that power supply so what i have to do try or not?
[13:37] <Armand> If it supplies a clean 5V, it should be good.
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[13:39] <Armand> I suspected my PSU's weren't good enough at first... just turns out I had a naff image on the SD. -_-
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[13:43] <Armand> btcbuy314, what's your peak temp?
[13:45] <pigeta> anyone here know the login anr pw for arch on raspberry
[13:45] <Armand> Default login Username: root Password: root
[13:46] <btcbuy314> idk why? i just know it was damn hot lol
[13:47] <btcbuy314> Armand: dont say your root password in irc EVER lol
[13:47] <btcbuy314> im sure nobody will do anything but you really should keep that secret
[13:47] <Armand> btcbuy314, not mine.. I'm not stupid. :P
[13:47] <Armand> pigeta, asked for the DEFAULT.
[13:47] <btcbuy314> ahh ok
[13:47] <pigeta> y
[13:48] <btcbuy314> we dont know why you asked that
[13:48] <btcbuy314> you should know the answer
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[13:49] <Armand> btcbuy314, watch "/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq"
[13:49] <btcbuy314> im having trouble finding the website where the guy tests all the different power supplies iwth osciscopes ands tuff
[13:49] <Armand> Not sure, but maybe that only works on raspbian.. ?
[13:50] <pigeta> arch don't have a default desktop manager right?
[13:50] <pigeta> i have to download?
[13:50] <Armand> btcbuy314, I'd have to be pretty dumb to leave my root login at default... :P
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[13:52] <pigeta> for now all working
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[13:53] <btcbuy314> he concluded that iphone/ipad chargers were second best and something else was better anyone know what it was
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[13:53] <btcbuy314> all i know was the charger was cylindrical in shape
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[13:54] <Armand> btcbuy314, I didn't see any assumption of "better", except from yourself..
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[13:55] <pigeta> Armand: could be the raspbian os the problem?
[13:56] <Armand> what problem? sorry...
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[13:57] <btcbuy314> Armand: what was the site?
[13:57] <btcbuy314> Armand: or do you know the power supply i was talking about?
[13:57] <Habbie> btcbuy314, the cylindrical thing is the hp touchpad charger
[13:57] <btcbuy314> thanks!
[13:57] <Armand> btcbuy314, no idea.
[13:58] <btcbuy314> Armand: then why are you saying you didnt see the assumption
[13:58] <btcbuy314> of course you didnt if you didnt even see the post
[13:58] <Armand> I didn't see pigeta make any assumption.
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[13:59] <Habbie> btcbuy314, http://www.arcfn.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
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[14:00] <affix> I am gonna make a rasberry pi + RC Car + Webcam + 3G Dongle remote joystick controlled robot
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[14:04] <pigeta> now i try with archlinux and seems that sometimes usb port go to sleep and after a while come back and keyboard work again
[14:05] <btcbuy314> Armand: im talking about you not pigeta
[14:05] <Armand> I'm saying what I saw.. I can't make direct comparisons against a PSU I don't have.
[14:06] <pigeta> now seems all die even the network like before in raspbian
[14:06] <Armand> FYI: I use an Apple charger, as it's all I have.
[14:06] <pigeta> seems not a os problem
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[14:06] <pigeta> i try to change keyboard
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[14:06] <btcbuy314> you said im the only one that assumed the hp touchpad charger was better but i didnt even really say that, im just saying what the post said, which you are disputing for some reason
[14:07] <Armand> Ooohhh...
[14:07] <btcbuy314> <+Armand> btcbuy314, I didn't see any assumption of "better", except from yourself.
[14:07] <Armand> So, not personal experience.. just reading a review?
[14:07] <btcbuy314> he concluded that iphone/ipad chargers were second best and something else was better
[14:07] <btcbuy314> <+btcbuy314> he concluded that iphone/ipad chargers were second best and something else was better
[14:08] <btcbuy314> i was asking who saw that post where that guy compared all the chargers
[14:08] <Armand> right..
[14:08] <btcbuy314> and he said that the hp one was better
[14:08] <Armand> I'm just saying, I didn't see where he made that conclusion.
[14:09] <btcbuy314> and then you said you didnt see that assumptoon from anyone else except me
[14:09] <Armand> Ok..
[14:09] <btcbuy314> see
[14:09] <Armand> Well, never mind. :)
[14:09] <Armand> I apologise if I was jumping to the wrong assessment.
[14:10] <btcbuy314> are you kidding me its obvious its right on the first page
[14:10] <btcbuy314> http://www.arcfn.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
[14:10] <btcbuy314> the hp touch pad has rating of 5
[14:10] <btcbuy314> its the only one with a ful 5/5
[14:10] <btcbuy314> while apple is 4/5
[14:11] <Armand> Not really obvious on something I haven't read yet. ;)
[14:12] <btcbuy314> which leads me to the question i asked earlier
[14:13] <btcbuy314> why did you say nobody made that assumtion except myself when you didnt even read what iw as talkiing about
[14:13] <btcbuy314> kinda... peculiar... isnt it
[14:13] <btcbuy314> ?...
[14:13] <btcbuy314> yes, indeed.
[14:13] <Armand> If I didn't read it... I could only take your statement as an assumption. :P
[14:13] <Armand> Again... never mind.
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> the above ytester also doesn't fully understand the USB charging protocols
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> the voltage signals the maximum current.
[14:14] <btcbuy314> who me? i understand
[14:15] <btcbuy314> no...
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> there is a specified sag, at which the charged device should back off
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[14:15] <btcbuy314> the voltage signals the difference in electrical potential.....
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: the USB standard, not normal electronics laws.
[14:16] <btcbuy314> it works iwth usb too
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[14:16] <SpeedEvil> the USB charging specification uses voltage sag to signal nearing max load, intentionally
[14:16] <btcbuy314> the voltage in the usb wire is differnce in potential
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> proper chargers are supposed to droop in voltage as their current limit is neared
[14:17] <Armand> Mine doesn't even get close to max load..
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[14:17] <SpeedEvil> this is quite separate from normal power supply behaviour
[14:17] <Armand> It's been running 24/7 for well over a week.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> and is the reason the apple chargers shown aag.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> sag
[14:18] <btcbuy314> yeah the hp and ipad chargers have 2 amps most things espceally raspberry pi are getting nowhere near that
[14:18] <btcbuy314> so we dont have to really worry about max load
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=m-feedu&v=wi-b9k-0KfE is excellent
[14:19] <btcbuy314> im not clicking that]
[14:19] <btcbuy314> its probably rick roll
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> teardown in detail of Chinese psu
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> with explanations about why it is unsafe
[14:20] <btcbuy314> LOL the chinese psu are you kidding me???
[14:20] <btcbuy314> no thanks, im good with my ipad psu
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> there are .5mm gaps separating mains from output
[14:20] <btcbuy314> idc the chinese ones are complete shit
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> many people think cheap chargers are just fine.
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> hence linking to the above.
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[14:21] <SpeedEvil> Chinese unbranded ones, totally.
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> often dangerous shit.
[14:21] <moogs> Where is the best place to get a raspberry pi in the United States?
[14:21] <btcbuy314> what makes them so bad
[14:21] <btcbuy314> elemt 14
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: in short, the required distance between input and output to get approval is something like 5mm.
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[14:22] <SpeedEvil> for good reason - mains can in some cases arc across, and connect input to output.
[14:22] <Armand> I'm using one of the later iPhone chargers, max 1A.. seeing as my rPi is headless with no extra hardware, it's doing fine. :)
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[14:23] <SpeedEvil> in most of the no name or fake chargers, there is no thought given to safety.
[14:23] <btcbuy314> whats the chinese distance
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> there is none
[14:23] <Armand> About 3 miles.
[14:23] <Armand> trollolololol
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> it's whatever can sort of work.
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> .5mm or so is not unknown,
[14:23] <moogs> btcbuy314: there is no availability for raspberry pi's on that website. suggestions?
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> between mains voltage, and the metal end of your USB cable.
[14:24] <btcbuy314> can it kill someobody
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> easily
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> or catch on fire.
[14:24] <Armand> 240v! \o/
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> or kill your device.
[14:24] <btcbuy314> theres some site wher eyou can buy for like 5 $ more
[14:24] <phire> Whats the best way to hook two raspberry pis together via their serial ports? As in physically mating to the headers?
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[14:24] <btcbuy314> what happens if it kills somebody
[14:24] <btcbuy314> you sue them i guess?
[14:24] <Armand> They dead..
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: nothing
[14:24] <btcbuy314> id just sue them
[14:24] <phire> Considering I'm going to making an order from element 14
[14:25] <moogs> btcbuy314: do you have links to those websites? the only ones i can find is $65+. i do not want to pay that much. maybe 45 max.
[14:25] <btcbuy314> if it was my family member or something
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[14:25] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: the seller bought then from a factory in China, and is likely a small businessman,
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: in China.
[14:25] <Armand> btcbuy314, wouldn't you go all Hollywood and storm the factor, killing everyone in your path to the big boss?
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: he then posts them to the USA.
[14:25] <Armand> *factory
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: good luck suing.
[14:25] <btcbuy314> what do you mean good luck
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> no way in hell.
[14:26] <btcbuy314> if someone dies id be able to get a GOOD lawyer
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> even if it kills someone.
[14:26] <btcbuy314> lol i dont think you understand how serious it gets if someone dies
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> firstly, you need a good Chinese lawyer, in China.
[14:27] <moogs> anyone know of a website, other than element14 and amazon, that sells raspberry pi's? i am looking for one but cannot find anyone
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> then, the person you are suing probably has an income of $10k/year, if he's doing well.
[14:27] <btcbuy314> so i sue him for his 10k a year until he pays back
[14:27] <Armand> btcbuy314, it's irrelevant.. try suing someone in China for the LACK of safety standards and LACK of law?
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[14:27] <btcbuy314> or you know
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[14:27] <btcbuy314> his insurance pays
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> what insurance?
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> you are also assuming what he did is a crime in China.
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[14:28] <Armand> ^
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[14:28] <Armand> SpeedEvil wins! \o/
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[14:28] <btcbuy314> if i have car insurance and i hit someones car and kill them my insurance pays for the damages, basically same idea here except not for a car
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> and that the Chinese court will fairly treat your case.
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: that's all fine.
[14:28] <Armand> btcbuy314, you ain't in Kansas anymore. :P
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: except the seller (in China) has no insurance.
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[14:29] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: and isn't required to by law, so there is no state backed scheme to claim on.
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[14:29] <btcbuy314> plus i wouldnt sue the factory worker, thats retarded the worker is just a person doing his job id sue the person in charge who is obviously much better off and actually would have 1000000 of dollars
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: you have no cause of action against the maker.
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> they made the charger.
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> they did not sell it to you.
[14:30] <btcbuy314> my cause of action is the death lmao pretty obvious
[14:30] <Armand> btcbuy314, Chinese law won't work in your favour.
[14:31] <btcbuy314> are you an expert in chinese law? no? didnt think so.
[14:31] <Armand> Are you?
[14:31] <btcbuy314> yes
[14:31] <Armand> Sure.. ;)
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> in short, no, you can't sue people in China, for selling substandard lethal goods, unless you are well connected. even then, you may not be able to sue the appropriate person.
[14:32] <btcbuy314> all that matters is a sue SOMEONe
[14:32] <Armand> And, I'm an expert in India law.. I'm going to sue someone for making cheap, shitty cars..
[14:32] <axion> even then, you're not chinese and the courts over there are extremely biased
[14:32] <Armand> *Indian
[14:32] <btcbuy314> id sue the president of china if i damn well had to
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> there is nobody with any US assets to sue.
[14:32] <Armand> HAHAHAHA
[14:32] <Armand> You dick
[14:32] <SpeedEvil> the Chinese factory, or the vendor have no us assets.
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> us courts can do nothing, other thannrequest extradition.
[14:33] <Armand> SpeedEvil, even if they do.. it's bound to be a "seperate company"
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> good luck with extraditing Chinese nationals.
[14:33] <Armand> Won't happen
[14:33] <btcbuy314> if they killed someone im pretty sure it would happen....
[14:33] <Armand> No
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> unfortunately not.
[14:34] <axion> "pretty sure" under what evidence?
[14:34] <Armand> Do China have such treaties will ANY country?
[14:34] <Armand> *with
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> selling goods which do not comply with safety standards overseas is not a serious crime in China,
[14:34] <Armand> (I'm on a bad keyboard day, I think)
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> don't think so.
[14:35] <Armand> Pretty sure they don't..
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if it's a crime at all
[14:35] <Armand> Doubtful.
[14:35] <btcbuy314> under the evidence that my cousin got a chinese extradited for tryigng to steal money
[14:35] <Armand> Otherwise, they would have covering safety standards and laws.
[14:36] <SpeedEvil> if the crime is convenient for the Chinese, it will be prosected
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> or the person extradited or executed
[14:38] <Armand> Article 8 The request for extradition made by a foreign state to the People's Republic of China shall be rejected if:
[14:38] <Armand> ??????(1) the person sought is a national of the People's Republic of China under the laws of the People's Republic of China;
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[14:40] <SuperRoach> Morning, all :)
[14:40] <Armand> Yo!
[14:40] <SuperRoach> Hi Armand :)
[14:41] <SuperRoach> Was curious - has anyone powered a few (3+) rasperry pi's before? did you find a powered hub you could use for it?
[14:41] <axion> sure
[14:42] <Armand> SuperRoach, I'm going a slightly different path by using a 5V regulator to power some salvaged USB ports. ;)
[14:42] <SuperRoach> Armand, that's resourceful thinking.
[14:42] <axion> SuperRoach: i power more than that reliably with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817364025
[14:42] <Armand> Well, my setup is solar.
[14:43] <axion> SuperRoach: 5A
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[14:44] <SuperRoach> was looking for the amperage :) that's very good then
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[14:45] <Armand> btcbuy314, SpeedEvil: http://english.gov.cn/laws/2005-09/22/content_68710.htm
[14:45] <axion> SuperRoach: i apologize its 5V/4A
[14:46] <then4116> 4A?
[14:46] <then4116> doubt that
[14:47] <axion> it is
[14:47] <axion> i power quite a lot with it and with over a month of pi uptime, i'd say it is reliable
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[14:55] <then4116> So it appears that Arch runs much, much faster on the RasPi than Debian does. Go figure.
[14:56] <Armand> then4116, The latest version of this image uses the hard-float ABI
[14:57] <Armand> :)
[14:57] <then4116> don't really know what that means ??.??
[14:57] <Armand> It's optimised for the rPi.
[14:58] <Armand> *basically.
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[14:59] <then4116> neat
[14:59] <Armand> Raspbian is an unofficial port of Debian Wheezy armhf with compilation settings adjusted to produce optimized "hard float" code that will run on the Raspberry Pi. This should provide significantly faster performance for applications that make heavy use of floating point arithmetic operations.
[14:59] <Armand> I know that's from Raspbian, but.. principle applies. ;)
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[15:00] <then4116> have fun!
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[15:09] <PhotoJim> then4116: basically that's the case because that hard-float feature is in hardware on the Pi, but Debian that runs on the Pi is made to run on other versions of the same processor that lack that hard-float feature, so it's performed in software instead. the more you can do in hardware (generally), the faster you'll be. so Raspbian is reasonably fast because it does exactly that.
[15:10] <artag> soft-float has to take a processor exception to get into the hardware float library (so it can be replaced with a soft library, like PhotoJim says)
[15:10] <artag> hard-float compiles the calls right into the code so it's faster, but not as portable
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[15:14] <PhotoJim> artag: that's still slightly different than I expected. I thought soft-float would have done all the floating point functions in software. I was analogizing with how things were when my Debian 486 was still only a 486SX and all the floating point stuff was done in software. upgraded it to a DX, gave it a hard-float-capable kernel and I got a nice speed boost.
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[15:18] <Armand> sodding rain. -_-
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 things at issue on the Pi with hard vs soft fp ...
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> and just one is the actual hardware part..
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> it's possible to use hardware floating point under Debian (the original) one with the right compiler flags.
[15:20] <moogs> Anyone know of any available websites selling Raspberry Pi's?
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> and you do get a speed up (or did, no-one uses the original Debian anymore - well, no-one should be!)
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> the other issue that makes a difference is the way floating point numbers are passed to functions - the ABI.
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> and that's really what Raspbian is about (as well as making hard FP the default)
[15:21] <artag> PhotoJim: yes, the names are slightly confusing
[15:21] <Armand> moogs, https://www.modmypi.com/ < might be worth a look.
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> a lot will depend on your country, moogs ..
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> Armand, rain? https://projects.drogon.net/floods-in-buckfastleigh/
[15:22] <Armand> gordonDrogon, Ohh, nothing serious.. it's real calm here.
[15:22] <Armand> Just a touch too cold, when I don't have my gloves. >_<
[15:23] <moogs> i live in the united states.
[15:23] <Armand> moogs, they will ship to the US
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[15:26] <PhotoJim> UK shipping to North America is surprisingly cheap. I can often buy things cheaper from UK to Canada than I can from US to Canada, which is ridiculous.
[15:26] <PhotoJim> (mostly because US now requires Priority Mail to Canada, which is unnecessary for a lot of stuff, but I meander.)
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[15:27] <Armand> A friend in Canada got his in under 2 weeks, from modmypi.
[15:28] <PhotoJim> yeah, takes a little while, but not crazy.
[15:28] <PhotoJim> two weeks is very tolerable.
[15:29] <Armand> Yes..
[15:29] <Armand> I got mine in 4 days, so... YAY!
[15:29] <Armand> But then, I'm in London. :P
[15:29] <PhotoJim> Mine took months, but that was back near the beginning :)
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[15:30] <PhotoJim> and I assume you don't mean mighty London, Ontario :)
[15:30] <Armand> Ohh, I skipped all that nonsense.. I didn't buy mine until the 512MB came out.
[15:30] <Armand> lol.. hell, no.
[15:30] <PhotoJim> yeah, mine are 256 MB. tempted to get one of the new ones. the RAM is useful.
[15:30] <PhotoJim> (London, ON is actually not a hick place. I think it's about 600K and it's only a couple of hours' drive from Toronto. Even has an airport. :) )
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[15:31] <Armand> I know where it is... but, no way am I moving there. :P
[15:31] <PhotoJim> Cost of living will be better. No idea if the jobs situation is better. Ontario is about as bad as it gets in Canada now. (My part of Canada is as good as it gets in that regard.)
[15:32] <Armand> I'm going to NJ. :)
[15:32] <PhotoJim> I think it's worse in NJ than it is in Ontario. Winters notwithstanding :)
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[15:35] <Armand> Nothing I want in Ontario.. ;)
[15:36] <PhotoJim> if you want the coastal experience in Canada, and decent-sized cities, you probably want Vancouver, BC or Halifax, NS.
[15:36] <PhotoJim> depends on which coast and what weather you want.
[15:36] <Armand> I don't want Canada at all.... besides, I'd have to kill someone in Ontario.
[15:36] <Armand> That's a situation I'd rather avoid. P:P
[15:36] <Armand> :P
[15:36] <PhotoJim> and why would you have to kill someone in Ontario?
[15:37] <Armand> lol.. I shouldn't have said that.
[15:37] <PhotoJim> but you did say it. :)
[15:37] <PhotoJim> so one person in my country has soured you on the whole place? Sigh. :)
[15:37] <Armand> Nah..
[15:38] <Armand> Just have far more reason to be in NJ.
[15:38] <PhotoJim> well, my New Jersey experience is limited to flying home out of EWR.
[15:38] <PhotoJim> and taking the train through Newark from Philadelphia.
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[15:39] <Armand> Well, my GF is in NJ, so that's where I'm going. :)
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[15:41] <PhotoJim> well, that explains it.
[15:41] <PhotoJim> but if things don't go well there economically, consider my fair land to the north with its stronger economy :)
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[15:44] <Armand> PhotoJim, She hates the UK weather.. I doubt she will like Canada. :P
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[15:45] <PhotoJim> Depends where in Canada. we have a lot of different climates.
[15:45] <Armand> Yup
[15:45] <PhotoJim> it gets pretty cold in New Jersey. it's probably nicer, overall, on the west coast of Canada. but the cost of living is high.
[15:45] <PhotoJim> there are palm trees in Vancouver. No joke.
[15:46] <PhotoJim> Not many. But some. Outside. :)
[15:46] <Armand> Do they wear winter jackets? :P
[15:46] <PhotoJim> No.
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[15:46] <PhotoJim> But they're in a specific area of West Vancouver that is exposed to more water, that keeps them warmer during the coldest parts of winter.
[15:46] <Armand> :)
[15:46] <PhotoJim> and it never goes that far below 0C in Vancouver. :)
[15:46] <Armand> We get 0c sometimes.. I don't mind it.
[15:47] <PhotoJim> it gets a lot below 0 where I live (west central Canada). but the winters are usually pretty sunny and dry.
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[15:48] <PhotoJim> lots of snow so far this year, but that's unusual. typically we only get a few centimetres at a time, weeks apart.
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[15:48] <Armand> It's only my hands that really suffer when it's cold... bad circulation. :(
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[15:48] <PhotoJim> my hands get cold too, but we have good heating in this country, needless to say. :)
[15:49] <PhotoJim> it's a nice comfortable 20 here in my office even though it's -19 C outside.
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[15:49] <rymate1234> so
[15:49] <rymate1234> Powering my rpi
[15:49] <rymate1234> from my powered usb hub
[15:50] <rymate1234> which connects to my pi
[15:53] <scummos> wjat
[15:53] <scummos> *what
[15:53] <scummos> sounds like fun
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[15:54] <rymate1234> all I did was
[15:54] <PhotoJim> that's how I'm running my Pi in the living room now. works well.
[15:54] <rymate1234> power my usb hub
[15:54] <rymate1234> and use the usb hub as power instead of the pi
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[15:56] <sevenforall> Hey
[15:56] <sevenforall> I know the Raspberry Pi can run XBMC and play full-HD videos pretty well, but does it do that pretty smoothly or a tad laggy overall?
[15:57] <sevenforall> I'm asking because I'm frustrated by my WD TV Live because it's awfully laggy, and I wonder if the Pi would be an improvement.
[15:58] <Habbie> when i tried a few months ago, playback was smooth, xbmc menu was a bit laggy, and DTS could push the cpu limits; from what i hear, this has all improved since
[15:58] <sevenforall> That's nice
[15:59] <Habbie> i'm sure someone else can provide uptodate experience
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[16:12] <pigeta> ehi guys i'm back
[16:13] <pigeta> i changed my htc power supply
[16:14] <Armand> Any joy?
[16:14] <pigeta> i put a psp power supply on (5V 2,5 A) now wait and see if usb and eth0 block again i launch a ping to router now let see what happen
[16:15] <pigeta> but the voltage betwen TP1 and TP2 before was 4.62 now 4.86
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[16:16] <Armand> 4.62 = too low?
[16:16] <Armand> The minimum is 4.75 to boot?
[16:17] <Habbie> yes
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[16:22] <Tachyon`> http://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/75937_421812394553271_717447666_n.jpg
[16:22] <Tachyon`> remember that from the spectrum mags
[16:22] <egrouse> no
[16:23] <Tachyon`> which was all the more odd as virtually no spectrums used 5.25" disks
[16:23] <Habbie> hehe
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[16:27] <sevenforall> "Piracy = Theft", never really got that
[16:28] <sevenforall> I never prevented a certain item to be purchased, I simply didn't buy it which I wouldn't do anyway :o
[16:28] <Habbie> piracy = theft is dumb comparison
[16:28] <Habbie> piracy is about as stupid, though
[16:28] <sevenforall> I never bought more stuff than now I pirate every now and then
[16:30] <Tachyon`> I blatantly pirate games but I do pay for things that catch my attention, sadly most things don't, heh, why pay for something that's going to be played for less than 30 minutes... If they want to stop that they should make it easier to evaluate these thigns fully, perhaps a time limited demo on a service like onlive or something but they often don't.
[16:31] <Habbie> trials do help, yes
[16:31] <Habbie> if a game does not have a trial i just don't play it
[16:32] <Habbie> unless i know i'll like it
[16:32] <pigeta> to change monitor resolution and aspect ratio what have to do?
[16:32] <sevenforall> The way the music industry works simply doesn't encourage me to pay. I want to pay the artist for his work, not the guy who knows what artists are going to bring him money.
[16:32] <Habbie> sevenforall, but if you pirate, nobody gets anything - not even the artist
[16:33] <sevenforall> Habbie: If I pirate, I get to know the artist's work, and I can decide to go to live events and purchase merchandise, which is basically the only way to get some money to the artist
[16:33] <PhotoJim> middlemen are necessary. I want to pay the farmer for his oats, alas, third parties aggregate the oats for me and bring them to my city. they make it easier for me.
[16:33] <Tachyon`> at one time artists made their money from live performances and that was it
[16:33] <Habbie> sevenforall, except without album sales, there are no live events
[16:34] <sevenforall> Habbie: I don't see a reason why not.
[16:34] <Tachyon`> before recorded music that's how it worked
[16:34] <sevenforall> The artist doesn't pay to get on stage, the stage owner pays the artist to play there.
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[16:34] <Habbie> sevenforall, because upfront costs for live events are fronted by the recoring companies
[16:34] <Tachyon`> the current way is relatively new
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[16:34] <Habbie> sevenforall, and how will the owner know to book someone if he hasn't sold albums?
[16:34] <Habbie> it's not that simple
[16:35] <sevenforall> Habbie: That's why you usually start off small, and you'll get your name around
[16:35] <timmmaaaayyy> whats your favorite way to run XBMC on the pi? raspbmc? openelec? other?
[16:35] <sevenforall> Lots of artists release their albums themselves these days, a much better way
[16:35] <Habbie> timmmaaaayyy, from what i hear raspbmc is the way to go these days
[16:36] <timmmaaaayyy> i was seeing the saem from what the goog tells me
[16:39] <pigeta> still blocked
[16:40] <pigeta> now from TP1 and TP2 i read 5,30v
[16:40] <pigeta> how it possible?
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[16:41] <Armand> pigeta, the PSU is compensating, to level it's output voltage... at a guess.
[16:42] <Armand> I think 5.25v is the recommended max.
[16:42] <pigeta> why usb and eth0 chrash?
[16:43] <sraue> Habbie, i have heard OpenELEC is the only way to go these days
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[16:48] <artag> no, piracy = theft. threatening someone with a cutlass on a ship and taking their doubloons is theft alright. but it hasn't got anything to do with copying software.
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[16:50] <pigeta> don't know that do more any ideas?
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[16:53] <artag> pigeta: did you try another keyboard ?
[16:53] <pigeta> yes 2 keyboard
[16:53] <artag> have you tried without either mouse or keyboard ?
[16:54] <pigeta> yes only keyboard
[16:54] <artag> try with no keyboard, use only ethernet
[16:54] <artag> and no screen
[16:55] <pigeta> but they are on an usb hub 5V 1A
[16:55] <pigeta> ok i try
[16:56] <artag> yes, you've done everything sensible, but USB is still going wrong. so try without any usb device (except the builtin ethernet)
[16:56] <artag> make sure you can ssh to it first, then remove all usb stuff and try
[16:56] <pigeta> mmm i dont think to enable ssh
[16:57] <artag> if you're using stck raspbian image it's already enabled
[16:57] <artag> *stock
[16:57] <pigeta> ok
[16:58] <pigeta> but i never used ssh
[16:58] <artag> time to learn :)
[16:58] <pigeta> can you explain me how?
[16:58] <Armand> artag, don't you need to actively enable ssh from the first-boot menu?
[16:58] <artag> Armand: I don't think so, but we can soon find out
[16:58] <artag> pigeta: what sort of pc do you have ? windows, linux, osx ?
[16:59] <Armand> I know I had to on Raspbian.
[16:59] <pigeta> both linux windows
[16:59] <Tachyon`> along with microsoft debian presumably
[16:59] <Armand> ?_?
[16:59] <artag> ok, and you know the ip address of the r-pi ?
[16:59] <pigeta> now i ping my raspberry
[16:59] <pigeta> y
[16:59] * Armand gives Tachyon` some conditioner to treat his split hairs. :P
[17:00] <artag> ok, so from linux 'ssh pi@'
[17:00] <artag> do it soon after booting so you know it's working
[17:00] <ShiftPlusOne> SpeedEvil, Armand, btcbuy314, hey guys, could you watch the language please (referring to the China discussion)
[17:00] <Armand> ShiftPlusOne, How long ago was that? O_o
[17:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ages
[17:01] <pigeta> and in windows?
[17:01] <Armand> I think that's a dead stick, ehh, ShiftPlusOne.. ;)
[17:01] <artag> don't bother with windows, it's easier from linux. but can be done if you must
[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Armand: no stick, 'hey, don't do that'
[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> *just a
[17:02] <Armand> lol
[17:02] <Armand> Fair enough..
[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
[17:02] <Armand> I don't think it really got out of hand. :)
[17:03] <ShiftPlusOne> nope, it didn't, but we are trying to keep it child friendly, since it's raspberry pi and all that.
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[17:05] <artag> pigeta: something even easier - no need for ssh. just keep pinging it
[17:05] <artag> but ssh is good to learn
[17:06] <markbook> ??
[17:06] <pigeta> yae i just do but want try even with ssh
[17:06] <artag> yup
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[17:09] <pigeta> the ping now crash
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[17:09] <artag> :(
[17:09] <artag> so that's with no USB devices, no screen, 5.3V ?
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[17:10] <markbook> why doesn't anyone think it's a good idea to hook up a USB serial port?
[17:11] <markbook> I don't wait for the pi to boot or load it with a USB keyboard, I hook the serial port to my laptop USB and *watch* it boot.
[17:11] <artag> it is a good idea, but most people struggling with getting it working don't have one, especially a 3.3v one
[17:13] <markbook> they're not that hard to get or make
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[17:14] <artag> no, totally worth it
[17:14] * markbook argues with board designers that an exposed serial port via RJ45 or USB should be mandatory and the first thing brought out
[17:14] <markbook> and they universally say "oh that's to *complicated* for mere mortals"
[17:14] <artag> but people come along with 'i haven't got a power supply or a monitor and i don't know if my sd card works and i want it to work NOW'
[17:14] <artag> :(
[17:15] <markbook> like waiting blindly for a net port to come up isn't black magic.
[17:15] <pigeta> 5.08V
[17:15] * markbook runs his with no head and no keyboard. USB into one laptop port for power, serial into the other for com.
[17:15] <markbook> well at least to test.
[17:15] <phire> me too
[17:15] <artag> 5.08 sounds Ok but didn't you get 5.3 with the ps3 supply ?
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[17:16] <phire> But I need to get a better usb to serial cable
[17:16] <phire> Turns out my one was counterfeit, and misbehaved in some situations
[17:16] <artag> i just use ethernet or wifi and a nexus 7 charger. when the light stops flashing I log in. but maybe i was lucky.
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[17:18] <artag> it also works fine off 2 other 1A chargers, one motorola and one belkin
[17:18] <markbook> http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=44W3509&COM=embedded-link_RaspberryPiAccessories
[17:19] <markbook> they need to come back into stock and be added to every accessory list
[17:19] <artag> yeah, that's pretty easy. pity they didn't use a better header so you couldn't get the pins wrong
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[17:20] <artag> pity they didn't put a $2 serial chip on the board so you could connect it through the usb port, but I guess some laptops wouldn't have enough power
[17:21] <phire> I highly doubt you will run into a laptop with a shortage of power
[17:21] <markbook> not like that anyway
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[17:21] <artag> well, mine works ok. but strictly, it's over the usb limit so it wouldn't be unreasonable if it failed
[17:22] <phire> In order to enforce the usb limit, laptops/computers would have to install polyfuses
[17:22] <phire> which they don't
[17:22] * Disconnect needs to figure out why one of the pi's goes red-light-crash after a couple mins of running. (Its not psu, its not OS. same everything is running on the other unit fine, modulo occasional xbmc crashes.)
[17:23] <artag> i think a full-spec usb port would measure the current and shut down if it was over. but I don't know whether many do that
[17:23] <Disconnect> phire: way back when in android (g1 days) you could force the g1 to draw full current. jbq said he blew up 3-4 desktop usb ports that way during development..
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[17:23] * Disconnect did that on his work desktop just for S&G but it survived.
[17:24] <phire> oh sure you can blow the port up
[17:24] <pigeta> now im log in by ssh and only ethernet cable
[17:24] <pigeta> what i could do?
[17:24] <artag> good !
[17:24] <artag> everything you can do from the keyboard in a terminal window
[17:24] <phire> that is completely different to encountering a shortage of power
[17:24] * markbook really needs to start writing the "just what could I do?" blog.
[17:24] <artag> except it won't start X programs
[17:25] <Disconnect> sure, my comment was just that most ports don't limit properly. its cheaper that way..
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[17:25] <phire> yeah
[17:25] <pigeta> y to see kern.log what is command?
[17:25] <artag> also, you can do 'scp file pi@' and it will copy 'file' to the pi
[17:26] <phire> So, whats the best way to connect something to the gpio pins?
[17:26] <artag> more /var/log/kern.log
[17:26] <pigeta> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ yRead from remote host Connection aborted
[17:26] <artag> or tail -f /var/log/kern.log to keep seeing the latest stuff
[17:26] <pigeta> Connection to closed.
[17:26] <phire> I'm finding it hard to find propper components to deal with a 0.1" header
[17:26] <satellit> I found a powered usb 4 way adapter with keyboard and mouse on it works best for Rpi
[17:26] <pigeta> crash again :(
[17:27] <artag> yeah, if the ping failed the ss will fail too
[17:27] <pigeta> so what do now?
[17:27] * Disconnect has "recommended" chargers from mcm but they run 4.6 or less. :( one of the listed hubs gets it to 4.8 steady, and no crashes, so..
[17:28] <artag> dunno. find someone else with one and swap bits until you work out what's faulty ?
[17:28] <Disconnect> I'm kinda surprised that they've rev'd the boards a couple of times without finding some way of solving the psu issue. or just selling a supported psu..
[17:28] <artag> return the board and hope another one is better ?
[17:28] <phire> Which part of the board is underpowering?
[17:29] <phire> what even requires 5v power?
[17:29] <pigeta> where i can contact assistence?
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[17:29] <markbook> you're looking at it?
[17:29] <artag> the usb hub / ethernet device does. but i'm not sure if that's just for powering downstream devices, maybe it doesn't care itself
[17:30] <artag> pigeta: the place you bought it from, if you want to exchange it
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[17:30] <pigeta> online i bought
[17:31] <artag> sure, but online should still do returns
[17:31] <pigeta> from rs componets uk
[17:31] <artag> :( a long wait, then
[17:32] <Habbie> i'd presume they have some reserved stock for returns
[17:32] <Disconnect> artag: fwiw mcm says they are in stock still. (not sure if they are usa only though.)
[17:32] <Habbie> of course, at the pi pricepoint you could just order a new one from farnell while you wait for the return to be processed
[17:32] * Disconnect has a 3rd on the way, fortunately. it can replace the dead one while I exchange it..
[17:34] <artag> RS are a company with years of history in the UK. everyone uses them - they're expensive, but they ship fast and keep big stocks. But they have been unbelievebly bad with their r-pi sales and still seem to be in a total mess
[17:34] <Disconnect> they were telling me last month that they still hadn't filled orders from July and if I ordered, I could expect it sometime around march..
[17:34] <Disconnect> mcm got it to me in 3 weeks. (there were other issues, but they got those resolved as well.)
[17:36] <artag> mcm seem to be part of farnell / newark
[17:37] <artag> farnell were useless on the day the pi got released but seem to have got themselves in order since. though they've been a bit evil over the gertboard thing
[17:37] <artag> it's a shame the camera is being done by RS. I hope it's available elsewhere
[17:37] <Habbie> what evil thing did they do regarding gertboard?
[17:38] <artag> they got an exclusive contract to ship kits, then changed their mind and decided to only ship built ones. which is sort of fair enough, except they didn't appear to tell gert and just went out of stock.
[17:39] <Disconnect> maybe it was newark that was telling me that. either way, mcm ended up coming through when the other US vendor couldn't
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[17:39] <artag> RS is Allied, isn't it ?
[17:40] <Habbie> artag, oh, annoying
[17:41] <Disconnect> yah it was allied that was so far backordered. jusrt checked the site :)
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[17:45] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm looking for a good wifi dongle that doesn't require a hub???.. ideas?
[17:47] <ShiftPlusOne> not sure that there would be one
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[17:47] <Habbie> there are plenty of those
[17:48] <Habbie> i don't have any model numbers handy, sorry
[17:48] <ShiftPlusOne> would've thought a wifi dongle would be inherently something that requires substantial current
[17:49] <artag> I use a no-name one from ebay, cost ??5. I don't use a hub (but I don't use keyboard or mouse either)
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nice
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[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> artag: and your pi has the fuses on usb side?
[17:49] <artag> [425850.997574] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=148f, idProduct=5370
[17:49] <artag> [425850.997580] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[17:49] <artag> [425850.997584] usb 1-1: Product: 802.11 n WLAN
[17:49] <artag> [425850.997587] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: Ralink
[17:49] <artag> [425850.997590] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 1.0
[17:49] <artag> that's how it identifies itself
[17:49] <timmmaaaayyy> awesome!
[17:50] <timmmaaaayyy> i hope i get that lucky. to ebay i go
[17:50] <artag> Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[17:50] <Habbie> the usb ports yield 140mA
[17:50] <artag> I normally use it on one that has no fuses,
[17:50] <artag> but i've also tried it on one that does, and it worked
[17:51] <artag> but I haven't tested it for long periods
[17:51] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
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[17:53] <Habbie> apparently the 140mA per-port limit has been removed in a pi revision a few months ago
[17:53] <Habbie> just limiting total draw to 750mA
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[17:53] <Habbie> i have no idea how much room that leaves
[17:54] <timmmaaaayyy> i can't lie???.for some reason i get confused as hell when it comes to power
[17:55] <timmmaaaayyy> i'm using the charger from the HTC phone and i've never had a single issue. then again i run headless with nothing plugged in
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[17:55] <IT_Sean> ahoy
[17:56] <Tonus> timmmaaaayyy, I have http://dx.com/p/mini-100mw-150mbps-ieee802-11b-g-n-usb-wifi-wireless-network-adapter-w-antenna-black-117398 and that works both as client and AP. also Ralink5370 chip.
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[17:57] <timmmaaaayyy> awesome again. thanks so much everyone. especially artag and Tonus!!
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[18:02] <artag> mine looks like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WIFI-150MBPS-WIRELESS-ADAPTOR-802-11-B-G-N-LAN-NETWORK-MINI-USB-DONGLE-ADAPTER-/180907070265?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item2a1ee6d339
[18:02] <artag> but that's no guarantee it's the same
[18:03] <artag> I can't remember who I bought it from, I've had it a long while
[18:03] <artag> maybe 9 months
[18:03] <artag> but I guess for ??3.89 it's worth a try :)
[18:04] <timmmaaaayyy> i just ordered 2 of them???.one with integrated antenna and one with external
[18:04] <timmmaaaayyy> see how differently these guys work
[18:07] <artag> seems like it takes 100mA
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[18:19] <petern_> hmm, 500mA for my dongle
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[18:19] <artag> this is the exact one I bought, but these sort of things are well known for substituting different chips when it suits them so no guarantees
[18:19] <artag> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Wireless-Wifi-150mbps-11-N-Usb-Dongle-WLAN-Network-Adapter-/120782587719?ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123
[18:20] <artag> but looks pretty much the same as the ??3.89 one I linked
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[18:23] <artag> I don't think my router does 150Mbs so it may be running in a loweer power mode
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[18:50] <timmmaaaayyy> http://pastebin.com/bYvmVbFA -->anyone know why apache2 has so many processes going?
[18:52] <akk> It splits into multiple threads to handle multiple incoming requests (AIUI).
[18:52] <Habbie> how's your MaxClients setting?
[18:52] <Habbie> akk, processes even, usually
[18:52] <timmmaaaayyy> it's default???whatever that is
[18:52] <akk> yes, processes, quite right
[18:52] <Habbie> so look at it
[18:53] <timmmaaaayyy> MaxClients 150
[18:53] <Habbie> that means it can grow to 151 processes
[18:53] <Habbie> probably a bit too much for the pi
[18:53] <ShiftPlusOne> might want to use nginx instead
[18:54] <timmmaaaayyy> ahhh, so startservers is set to 5??????so it's starting 5 no matter what. i had no idea it did this
[18:54] <Habbie> indeed
[18:54] <Habbie> nginx, lighttpd, or apache with a different mpm
[18:54] <timmmaaaayyy> i montior this thing with zenoss???..zen can monitor apache somewhat decently. anyone know if zen can monitor nginx as well?
[18:54] <timmmaaaayyy> i want to get good with apache becuase we use it at work
[18:56] <Habbie> then stick with apache
[18:56] <Habbie> and learn how to keep it tight
[18:57] <ShiftPlusOne> then use apache on your pc, not pi.
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> unless 'course you don't care and it's just for the hell of it
[18:58] <timmmaaaayyy> i ru a little php chat room with a max of two consecutive users. anyone see any issue with saying: startservers 2 (5), minspareservers 0 (5), maxspareservers 2 (10), max clients 20 (150). defaults are in parenthesis
[18:59] <Habbie> what do you mean by consecutive?
[19:00] <timmmaaaayyy> vocubalary > me???.i meant concurrent
[19:00] <timmmaaaayyy> also???.spelling > me
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[19:03] <UnaClocker> Re-encoding a bunch of my video so it'll play properly on XBMC on my Pi.. Amazing how much faster my quad core desktop is at this than my MacBook Air..
[19:03] <UnaClocker> ;)
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[19:12] <pigeta> guys but power supply of micro usb put out 5V only or even 3.3V?
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[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know exactly what you're asking, but you should never have 3.3v coming out of usb anything
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[19:15] <Armand> Signal 5 volt DC
[19:15] <Armand> Max. voltage 5.00?0.25 V
[19:15] <Armand> USB Specs ^
[19:15] <Armand> pigeta, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus
[19:16] <pigeta> y but in a usb cable i have 4 conductor red +5V black gnd and other 2 are used like power supply or not?
[19:16] <Armand> data +/-
[19:16] <Armand> power (5V), data+, data-, ground.
[19:17] <pigeta> yea data +\- are used in micro usb connector of raspberry
[19:17] <pigeta> ?
[19:17] <Armand> No
[19:17] <Habbie> doesn't it short them?
[19:17] <Armand> I wouldn't think so... it's NC, I think.
[19:18] <pigeta> only +5 and gnd are used right?
[19:18] <TheSeven> yes
[19:18] <Habbie> ah got it, chargers can short the data lines to indicate that they're chargers
[19:19] <TheSeven> exactly
[19:19] <Habbie> apologies for the confusion
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[19:21] <Armand> Only the +5V and ground have connections.
[19:21] <Gosy> hm
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[19:40] <pigeta> can i put + 5v and gnd on gpio connector instead of micro usb ?
[19:40] <Habbie> i believe so
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[19:50] <Armand> pigeta, you'll want a fuse..
[19:50] <pigeta> what?
[19:51] <Armand> Powering via the GPIO, you'll not have a fuse.
[19:51] <AndrevS> overcurrent protection.
[19:52] <Armand> ^
[19:52] <pigeta> ah
[19:53] <pigeta> so is better don't?
[19:53] <Armand> That's why I went for powering a USB port with my solar.
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[19:56] <pigeta> i try with power supply LG 5.1V 0.7A
[19:57] <pigeta> and only ethernet by ssh
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[19:59] <pigeta> i have 4.75 V TP1 and TP2 with this power supply now wait if block again
[19:59] <pigeta> a good power supply for our raspberry pi what is?
[19:59] <Armand> I'm using an Apple charger 24/7
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[20:00] <pigeta> how many ampere it have in out?
[20:00] <Armand> Mine is rated to 1A
[20:00] <Habbie> pigeta, 1.2A out is recommended i believe
[20:00] <Habbie> 1A will do, usually
[20:01] <TheSeven> 4.75V should be fine if you do not use picky usb devices
[20:01] <TheSeven> (through an unpowered hub)
[20:01] <pigeta> y but with psp power supply 2.5 A 5 V i have the same problem
[20:01] <pigeta> y i have powered hub
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[20:02] <tdy> you have a separate powered hub and have power issues on the pi?
[20:02] <Armand> Maybe the hub is limited.. ?
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[20:02] <pigeta> limited in what?
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[20:02] <Armand> Some hubs will be limited to 500mA.
[20:03] <Armand> Say, a 4-port hub with only 2A supply.. will limit each port to 500mA.
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[20:04] <Habbie> Armand, some will just limit the total; some will fry the supply :)
[20:04] <Armand> Yes, indeed.
[20:04] <Armand> The *safe* option is to limit the current
[20:04] <Habbie> :)
[20:05] <Armand> I'll be getting a splitter cable, with no regulation.
[20:05] <Armand> I can draw 2/3A from each 5V regulator.
[20:05] <Armand> 30A from my 12V regulator.
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[20:08] <pigeta> ahhhhhhh
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[20:09] <pigeta> i lost coonesction via ssh again
[20:09] <Armand> :(
[20:09] <pigeta> 3 power supply i try
[20:09] <pigeta> i can't thinsk is a problem of this
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[20:10] <pigeta> can be something into the kernel?
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> so who wants to play snake in basic on a Pi :)
[20:26] <Armand> Nah... :P
[20:26] <Armand> Mine has pages to serve.
[20:27] <mrmoney2012> i've said it before ??? and I'll ??? mjpeg-streamer rocks.
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> that's boring...
[20:28] <Armand> gordonDrogon, webhosting isn't exactly exciting... lol
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[20:30] <rymate1234> I might start a small minecraft server on my rpi
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> Armand, I know - it's part of my dayjob..
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> not that I have a dayjob, being self employed and all that, but ...
[20:31] <Armand> Same.. it sucks. No work. :(
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, did you see the news about minecraft for the Pi?
[20:31] <rymate1234> yes
[20:31] <rymate1234> looking forward to it
[20:32] <zleap> ohh mine craft for the pi ?
[20:32] <rymate1234> especially as it's supposed to be free
[20:32] <rymate1234> and possibly open source
[20:32] <artag> mrmoney2012: what cam are you using ?
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough, I'd never looked at minecraft until yesterday - then I watched some tutorials online about it... it looks a bit addictive..
[20:32] <Armand> Looks dull to me
[20:32] <Armand> Like Second Life meets lego. :P
[20:32] <rymate1234> It got me addicted at one point
[20:33] <mrmoney2012> i know nothing about the craft of mining
[20:33] <rymate1234> Armand, with zombies!
[20:33] <zleap> robinc works on second life i think
[20:33] <Armand> rymate1234, SL has more than just zombies. :P
[20:33] <rymate1234> I've never played it
[20:33] <zleap> i was under te impression ,minecraft needed higher spec than the pi
[20:33] <zleap> anyone got a link please
[20:33] <rymate1234> zleap, not when they port the pocket edition of MC
[20:34] <mrmoney2012> artag: two - Logitech, Inc. Webcam C250 and Microdia MSI Starcam Racer
[20:34] <mrmoney2012> i think that's right - from lsusb
[20:34] <mrmoney2012> Starcam racer - how about that eh !
[20:35] <mrmoney2012> rather boringly both at 640x480
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> zleap, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2565
[20:35] <mrmoney2012> I need bt infinity to come to my street - uplink is no good on this bog standard adsl i have.
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[20:36] <zleap> got it
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[20:36] <frojnd> Hi there.
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[20:37] <dero> Hola!
[20:37] <rymate1234> One thing I want to do with Minecraft: Pi edition is port it to normal PC's
[20:37] <zleap> i lol
[20:37] <rymate1234> So people with crappy PC's can play it
[20:37] <zleap> port to android
[20:37] <zleap> then play on tablets
[20:38] <dero> buy MK808
[20:38] <frojnd> I'm gonna set up my raspberry pi for little data storage (I already have one external 1TB usb disk) and after I get another one I'll use it for torrenting. I don't have hdmi cable or hdmi-to-dvi converter so I'm not able to install it with display. How can I install it without display? And which distro do you suggest me for installation?
[20:38] <zleap> use composite i guess and a older tv
[20:38] <dero> install any distro and use ssh
[20:38] <dero> tried with RASPBMC and RASPBIAN
[20:38] <frojnd> dero: ok tnx
[20:39] <dero> user pi pass raspberry
[20:39] <frojnd> dero: after I put e.g. raspbian on sdcard and put it into rpi, I wait for how long until it's installed and I'm able to ssh to it?
[20:39] <dero> 30 seconds
[20:39] <frojnd> that's sweeet :)
[20:39] <zleap> frojnd, you need to enable ssh server
[20:39] <frojnd> but.. raspbian has X iirc?
[20:39] <frojnd> zleap: then this won't work for me..
[20:39] <linuxstb> zleap: It's enabled by default in the latest image.
[20:39] <dero> afaik when you first log on with SSH, it will take you to a config dialog
[20:40] <dero> ssh is enabled by default
[20:40] <zleap> linuxstb, ok cool
[20:40] <frojnd> I don't need x, is there an imag without x?
[20:40] <frojnd> image*
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[20:40] <dero> raspbmc
[20:40] <zleap> i did get x to display on a remote computer
[20:40] <artag> if it's not enabled by default (I think it is) you could use occidentalis. that's pretty much the same as raspbian
[20:41] <zleap> export the display and you need a 2nd x server running on remote computer
[20:41] <artag> you can just un-install X if you don't need it
[20:41] <frojnd> dero: I don't need xbmc :)
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[20:42] <dero> I think raspbian install some tiny X desktop by default
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[20:42] <artag> lxde
[20:42] <dero> you can then apt-get uninstall the stuff if you don't want ot
[20:42] <dero> yepp
[20:42] <dero> apt-get purge lxde
[20:42] <tdy> no one mentioned arch-arm? i only skimmed the back log
[20:42] <frojnd> wonder if archlinux comes with preinstalled and running ssh server..
[20:43] <frojnd> if it does I'll try arch linux first
[20:43] <dero> I tried both raspbmc and raspbian yet
[20:43] <frojnd> tdy: heh, does arch-arm have ssh-server running by default?
[20:43] <dero> both work okay
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[20:43] <tdy> frojnd: yep
[20:43] <tdy> frojnd: and no X by default
[20:43] <frojnd> tdy: we have a winnter \m/
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[20:43] <frojnd> tdy: I like this..
[20:44] <frojnd> let's get this baby running
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[20:44] <dero> holy crap, I am just trying to recover a SD card. I compiled some arcade emulators with raspbian and maximum performance overclocking,. the whole partition is gone...
[20:44] <frojnd> tdy: one more q. does the new images already include systemd?
[20:45] <rymate1234> Uh oh
[20:45] <frojnd> tdy: or they are still on inits
[20:45] <rymate1234> dero went full overclock
[20:45] <tdy> frojnd: converted to systemd already
[20:45] <rymate1234> never go full overclock
[20:45] <frojnd> tdy: but that is awesome!
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[20:45] <dero> yes, there was a warning. but, can you imagine, my linux desktop doesn't even recognize mmcblk0p3 anymore
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, pay for annexe-m ..
[20:46] <dero> does anyone know how to recover a LOST partition?
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> how did you lose it?
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[20:47] <Armand> One does not simply lose a partition..
[20:47] <dero> compiling mame and other stuff on raspbian with overclock set to 1000
[20:47] <dero> there was nothing in the kern.log
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> sure it was p3?
[20:47] <dero> yes
[20:47] <dero> just tried to reboot one hour ago and now it's gone
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> this is not raspbian then?
[20:48] <dero> well, wait
[20:48] <dero> doesn't raspbian have a swap?
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> not any more.
[20:48] <Armand> It does
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> not a partition.
[20:48] <Armand> Ohh, my image is a little older. :P
[20:48] <nahledge> Does raspberry pi support output to old tv's that only have the red/white/yellow input holes? You know the ones dvd players connect through.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> nahledge, yes.
[20:49] <zleap> composite
[20:49] <Armand> nahledge, composite.. yes.
[20:49] <dero> that'S what fdisk says:
[20:49] <dero> /dev/mmcblk0p1 8192 122879 57344 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[20:49] <dero> /dev/mmcblk0p2 122880 15523839 7700480 83 Linux
[20:49] <dero> but I am unable to mount p2
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> dero, so it's p2.
[20:49] <zleap> just the yellow video one
[20:49] <nahledge> what exactly does composite mean in this context.
[20:49] <zleap> then you hsve audio out anyway
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> nahledge, if you're american it means RCA.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> dero, do you have another PC to put the SD card in?
[20:49] <dero> ah, I was confused because ubuntu doesn't show the automount icon for the "root" partition, only "boot" is shown
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[20:50] <dero> another PC?
[20:50] <artag> it means composite-sync. the horizontal, vertical sync and the video are all on the same wire
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> other than the Pi.
[20:50] <nahledge> okay so I cant push audio do the TV via rca, only video? I would then need headphones or speakers?
[20:50] <dero> yeah, the SD card is currently sitting in my Ubuntu WS
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> dero, try: fsck -fC /dev/mmcblk0p2
[20:50] <artag> no, rca video is just video
[20:50] <dero> e2fsck: unable to set superblock flags on /dev/mmcblk0p2
[20:50] <rymate1234> gordonDrogon, what does that do? :o
[20:51] <artag> use the 3.5mm jack if it's good enough, or a USB soundcard
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, file system consistency check force Verbose output.
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> dero, it's hosed.
[20:51] <dero> okay, fsck is giving lots of bad inodes
[20:51] <rymate1234> ah
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> dero, you can add a -y to the flags - that'll answer 'yes' to all the questions, but if it starts to move stuff into lost+found then you'll lose filenames.
[20:52] <dero> okay, partition is still there. I was confused, I am using both raspbmc (p3=root) and raspbian (p2=root)
[20:52] <dero> reparing, I hope the /var/log is not gone
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> or, you might want to try mounting it read-only and copying some files off - if it will let you.
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> mount -r /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> then ls /mnt
[20:53] <dero> okay, thanks I can mount again
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[20:53] <dero> var/log is gone
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> dero, check the lost+found firectory.
[20:54] <dero> find | grep kern.log shows nothing
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[20:55] <artag> it won't have the right name if it's in lost+found
[20:55] <dero> grep Linux * shows some files with logs, good
[20:55] <artag> if it knew the right name, it'd have put it there
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[20:56] <dero> grep mmcblk * does NOT show any mmc related errors
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[20:58] <dero> looks like the device has been silently corrupted, gdamn
[20:58] <Armand> dero, hint: Don't overclock it..
[20:59] <dero> I thought that SD corruption should show up in the logs somehow
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> maybe the SD wasn't corrupted, but the filesystem was.
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> that's what I found when I overclocked the ram.
[21:00] <dero> how does it get corrupted?
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[21:01] <Armand> I/O requests being passed too quickly and not written correctly.
[21:01] <dero> without showing mmc related errors in the kern.log?
[21:01] <Armand> ...at a guess
[21:01] <dero> do you think they just "slip"
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> many ways - if memory is corrupted and it's written to disc as part of the filesystem metadata then ...
[21:01] <dero> I once saw a dma-transfer-problem and looked at the driver's source code
[21:01] <Armand> "slip" is nearly appropriate.
[21:02] <dero> I had the feeling that the error handling was not very accurate
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> I've just had a server scribble all over a disk due to memory & motherboard issues )-:
[21:02] <dero> but, at least, I had an error message in the kern.log
[21:02] <dero> so, you think that the driver+sd-card is maybe acting okay, but the block they write is already messed up?
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> if you're doing lots of new writes then the system might not notice filesystem corruption for a very long time.
[21:02] <dero> or the DMA controller is reading crap from memory?
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> dero, who knows - but it's entirly possible that the hardware is fine, but the software isn't. (analogy - ish)
[21:03] <dero> I guess that the ext4-implementation is rock solid
[21:03] <dero> also, the SD-card driver is quite okay, at least IT SHOWS errors when they appear
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[21:04] <dero> also, there is CRC checking between controller and SD-card. so, it can only be that the controller's DMA pipeline is reading crap
[21:04] <dero> or that the SD-card says "I wrote the data", but is lying (very unlikely)
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> dero, ext4 (and most other filesystems) is only a ssolid as the memory they're running from.
[21:07] <dero> okay, but the pi itself runs solid, it's only between controller and memory -> DMA
[21:07] <dero> as said, it may be that the controller is reading wrong data from memory
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[21:08] <gordonDrogon> who knows.
[21:08] <dero> a couple of weeks I already thought about a verify hack in the driver
[21:09] <dero> we let the driver read back the data it just wrote to the SD and verify its correctnes
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[21:09] <dero> but, then I was assuming that problems will show up as errors in the kern.log and was focusing on reviewing the driver's error handling procedures
[21:10] <dero> but, now I am "convinced" that corruption may occur silently
[21:10] <dero> a verifying driver will give one read penalty per write, but that might be considerable
[21:10] <dero> thumb up/down ?
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[21:14] <dero> do you guys want me to write a safety-verifying-driver-at-write patch?
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[21:26] <pkircher> does somebody have a working workaround to get node.js running on the pi ? ive searched like all the tuts out there ..
[21:26] <pkircher> but 0.8.2 isnt availbe anymore
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[21:42] <rikkib> 430 RPi left on Element 14 NZ/Aus... I think I will order another 512 board today to go with the one I orders on Friday.
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[22:04] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Are you in ?
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[22:11] <scummos> first release of my python IDE (plugin): http://scummos.blogspot.de/2012/11/kdev-python-14-stable-released.html
[22:11] <scummos> so if you want to do some python on the pi... :)
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, hello..
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> here, but back in 5. gotta put some bread in the oven..
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> hm. oven not quite hot enough..
[22:14] <scummos> ah bread... I was thinking you were doing some oven soldering ;)
[22:14] <Gadget-Mac> Okies, wondering if you'd tried Pi prgramming of tiny84's or similar ?
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> yea, I got out of step due to the flooding last night, so made it today instead.
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> not tried that - only 328's (and 168s)
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> using the gpio/icsp way or usb serial?
[22:17] <Gadget-Mac> gpio/icsp
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[22:18] <gordonDrogon> if the program the same way as 328s then it ought to be fine.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> the avrdude program with the patches in it isn't blisteringly fast, but it's adequete - biggest issue is probably getting the wires to it.
[22:21] <Gadget-Mac> Ok, I'll give it a go.
[22:21] <Gadget-Mac> Thanks for the work you did :)
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> cheers.
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[22:27] <UnaClocker> scummos: How's that run on the Pi, decent speed? Seemed KDE was too heavy for the Pi in the past..
[22:28] <scummos> actually it runs pretty slow. but you can use it on your notebook and mount the pi's FS via ssh. that's what I do.
[22:28] <scummos> it just needs more than 256MB memory
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[22:28] <scummos> it parses all your python code... that quickly needs ~700MB
[22:28] <scummos> or 500
[22:28] <sevenforall> Does the Raspberry Pi actually output 5.1+ DTS audio? :o
[22:29] <bbond007> i know it does AC3 just fine
[22:29] <sevenforall> Well, yes, but that's a whole different league.
[22:29] <sevenforall> That's usually 2.0 on 1/4th to 1/8th of the quality
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[22:30] <bbond007> my tv does not have DTS passthrough, and i have no HDMI receiver, but i'd assume it would pass through dts...
[22:31] <bbond007> i would think the PI would pass through DTS just fine, decoding I have heard its not fast enough
[22:32] <sevenforall> Hm okay
[22:32] <sevenforall> I must admit I am not certain how the whole network would look anyway
[22:33] <sevenforall> There's the TV, the media center (perhaps the Pi there) and the audio set... The only output is the media center, and both the TV and the audioset need HDMI input... I guess I'll learn how that works as soon as I get my new TV and audioset
[22:33] <bbond007> actually my TV does have DTS if you put it in the region of Korea, just all of the apps won't work right.
[22:34] <bbond007> i had to use a service menu app just to get AC3
[22:35] <sevenforall> Hmm
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[22:35] <bbond007> you would run the PI into the reciever and then the the receiver to the tv....
[22:36] <sevenforall> So one of the HDMI inputs may function as an output?
[22:36] <bbond007> yes, it will has at least one HDMI output, as as a HDMI switch
[22:37] <sevenforall> Oh wait, it does indeed, hehe
[22:37] <sevenforall> That explains an awful lot
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[22:38] <bbond007> i'm looking at getting a new receiver as well... my current one is harmon kardon, and i really like it... so i'll get a new HK
[22:38] <bbond007> to get AC3 or DTS sound with omxplayer i think you'll use the option -ohdmi -p
[22:39] <sevenforall> http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/Images/Product%20Images/Home/HTP-071-rear_large.jpg <-- That's the back of the one I'm considering, and it has a HDMI output I see now
[22:39] <rikkib> Another 512 RPi from Element 14 is on its way...
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[22:39] <sevenforall> rikkib: They produce them so slowly you can announce that every now and then?
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[22:41] <rikkib> I have been having problems with RS NZ so switched suppliers and have two on there way from Element 14 Aus (They supply NZ with this sort of stuff instead of keeping stock here).
[22:41] <bbond007> sevenforall, make sure it supports hdmi 1.4 for 3D
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[22:43] <rikkib> Non supply from RS was threatening to delay getting machines set up at proof of concept project (A gate opener/vid/aud intercom).
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[22:44] <rikkib> Now I should be able to get at least one installed too test in the next couple of weeks.
[22:44] <sevenforall> bbond007: Apparentely it does, it doesn't say 1.4, but it does market with 3D Ready so I assume that's their way of indicating it has 1.4 HDMI
[22:44] <sevenforall> -e
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[22:46] <bbond007> yeah, probably just you don't want to get something that will not be compatible with next gen stuff even if you don't have a 3d tv yet
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[22:46] <sevenforall> bbond007: We'll be buying that audioset with our 3D TV. It says everywhere that it supports 3D video, so I'm just going to assume it does
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[22:48] <bbond007> have you looked at harmon kardon? i'll probably end up getting one off ebay
[22:48] <sevenforall> They aren't very popular in the Netherlands, never heard of them
[22:49] <bbond007> the HK i have now is only 40watt per channel and it absolutely kills this yamaha i have with 600 watt
[22:50] <bbond007> not that popular here either which is why i'll go through the ebay store which sells new or refurb
[22:51] <sevenforall> I care more for sound quality and dB
[22:51] <sevenforall> You can indeed have more loudness out of 40W than out of 600W
[22:51] <bbond007> its not just loudness... it sounds better
[22:52] <bbond007> and does not distort at high volume
[22:53] <sevenforall> Yes
[22:53] <bbond007> also the weight of the units... the HK is heavy.. yamaha not so much.
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> what is the point of minecraft? is there actually a game to win?
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> or do you just keep building/farming/killing monsters forever?
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> yes
[22:58] <SpeedEvil> it's open ended
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Hm. ok.
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> I've been watching more tutorials.
[22:58] <bbond007> people also recreate other things in mindcraft.. starwars trench run, etc..
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> usable for the 10 minute 'days' when the monsters don't come out ...
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> it's an interesting concept...
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uwCEBEAKh6o
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> err
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> I've seen videos of the CPUs people have made in it too.
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> nvm, I thought this was another channel
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> don't click that
[23:00] <bbond007> i'm going to click it
[23:00] * SpeedEvil wishes quasseldroid would show the channel.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> I clicked - shame it's the mobile tube ...
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[23:01] <lodenrogue> hello everyone
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[23:01] <bbond007> can't you just change the "m." to "i."
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[23:04] <lodenrogue> what OS are you guys using for rpi?
[23:04] <zleap> raasbian
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> Linux.
[23:05] <lodenrogue> which version of linux?
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> win95
[23:05] <zleap> lol
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[23:07] <ubuntourist> Hullo. HDMI sound not working except for the freshly compiled hello_audio. I just turned on my Raspberry Pi for the first time today (and apt-get dist-upgraded it). I decided to use the 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian image.
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[23:07] <frojnd> I just installed Arch Linux on rpi and it's great. Is is possible to assign GPU ram to system RAM? Is there a wiki for that?
[23:07] <ubuntourist> I've followed the recommendations to change /boot/config.txt and /etc/modules but no joy. Any tips?
[23:07] <lodenrogue> gordonDrogon, which version of linux do you use?
[23:08] <frojnd> I'm using rpi for my data server and I don't need any X, therefor I don't need GPU
[23:08] <zleap> lodenrogue, official linux is the kernel
[23:08] <lukas123_> Hello. When I type "uname -a" it is written "PREEMPT" on my standard installation for the raspberry. Does this mean, the kernel already has the preempt patch applied (https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RT_PREEMPT_HOWTO)?
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian.
[23:08] <zleap> so if you're asking what version i am guessing distribution
[23:09] <lodenrogue> right, which distro I meant.
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[23:09] <frojnd> Am I talking nonsense? :| please correct me if what I said was total nonsense
[23:09] <zleap> lodenrogue, have you just recieved a pi then
[23:10] <lodenrogue> I am trying to convince my wife to get me one for christmas.
[23:10] <zleap> frojnd, i think you can split the ram, between ram and gpu ram
[23:10] <zleap> lodenrogue, ok
[23:10] <lodenrogue> I want to do some research before I get it to speed up the set up process.
[23:10] <zleap> maybe you should simply ask for a PI + card, + psu etc and you can worry about the OS
[23:11] <frojnd> zleap: ok, can you please give me some direction how to do that, url would be great but words to type into goole will also do
[23:11] <zleap> erm
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[23:12] <lodenrogue> Well, I don't know if that will fulfill my goal of having only free (free as in freedom) software on the pi.
[23:12] <zleap> frojnd, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/search.php?keywords=split+ram&sid=12c877653c527a4176f1f00f36ec77db
[23:12] <zleap> lodenrogue, debian is generally free software
[23:13] <frojnd> zleap: thank you!
[23:13] <zleap> np, gordonDrogon is more of an expert though
[23:13] <lodenrogue> I had tried ubuntu on my current computer and didn't like it. Maybe I'll install mint. Is Fedora a debian build?
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[23:13] <zleap> fedora is red hat based so no
[23:14] <zleap> mint, ubuntu are both derived from debian however
[23:14] <zleap> pre debian tries to be free software in that you have to enable the repositories that give you non free stuff
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[23:15] <lodenrogue> Good to know. You are a great resource for information. thank you
[23:15] <zleap> np
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[23:16] <frojnd> rpi doesn't have hwclock, Better I setup ntp then :)
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[23:17] <ubuntourist> No tips on HDMI audio a la raspbian then?
[23:18] <zleap> ubuntourist, if you run pythoin games it asks if you want to use hdmi for audio
[23:18] <zleap> so it must be possible
[23:20] <ubuntourist> zleap, I was able to get the hello_audio app to play (/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_audio) after compiling it, but that's the only thing recognizing sound. (Didn't try the pygames.)
[23:21] <zleap> ok
[23:21] <zleap> wel if tat is pyton the source code may reveal something useful
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[23:21] <zleap> as its just calls up the audio but then calls up a gmes list which calls up the game you select
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[23:22] <bbond007> have you looked at the hdmi options in /boot/config.txt?
[23:22] <ubuntourist> zleap, the hello_audio is C source. Hence the need to compile. But I guess that's where I'll look, if I don't find some obvious answer.
[23:23] <bbond007> you just want default sound to be HDMI?
[23:23] <ubuntourist> bbond007, yep. Changed /boot/config.txt and /etc/modules as recommended several places.
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[23:24] <bbond007> i think you want hdmi_mode=2
[23:24] <ubuntourist> bbond007, for now, yes. I want to make it default to that. But running tests that explicitly tell it to use HDMI failed, with the exception of hello_audio
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[23:24] <zleap> is there noting in that configuration tool for audio
[23:26] <bluefirecorp> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/11/24/minecraft-ported-to-the-raspberry-pi-to-officially-be-released-as-minecraft-pi-edition/ ??? .-.
[23:26] <ubuntourist> bbond007 So, neither defaulting by editing /boot/config.txt & /etc/modules, nor explicitly telling it to use HDMI worked with the one notable exception hello_audio.
[23:27] <ubuntourist> zleap, I didn't see any audio config GUI. I messed with amixer, which was one suggestion.
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[23:27] <bbond007> well, hello audio is designed to talk directly to the chipset, its not using alsa or whatnot, so that is expacted
[23:27] <ubuntourist> bbond007, Ah. A clue (of sorts) as to why that's different.
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[23:29] <zleap> i am off anyway, chat later guys
[23:29] <lodenrogue> bye
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[23:29] <zleap> cya
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[23:29] <zleap> the forums on the raspberry pi site are worth looking at
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[23:30] <ubuntourist> bbond007 Dunno much about HDMI, except that I've gotten a Mac Mini that dual boots Mac OSX and Ubuntu to talk to the HDMI port on the TV it's connected to with no troubles. So, I wasn't expecting too much trouble from the RPI plugged into the same system.
[23:31] <bbond007> hdmi_drive=2
[23:31] <bbond007> i think thats the setting
[23:32] <ReggieUK> https://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade
[23:32] <ReggieUK> really nice mod from someone :)
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[23:33] <rikkib> My web cam is online again. Making a break out box for USB today. Cam setup... Headless RPi running motion on a private ip address inside my DMZ. Motion running on my web server that takes in input from the motion instance running on the RPi.
[23:33] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
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[23:36] <iMatttt> Yay a voice
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[23:41] <ubuntourist> bbond007 (Stepped away). Yeah, that's what I set in /boot/config.txt before turning to IRC for help. (It was there but commented out.) But I'll continue to experiment.
[23:42] <ubuntourist> Anyway, my day is disappearing. Time to get a late lunch / early dinner.
[23:42] <ubuntourist> bbond007 Thanks for the distinction about hello_audio. It may prevent me from pursuing false leads.
[23:43] <ubuntourist> Ta-ta all.
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