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IRC Log for 2012-11-27

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[0:00] <kenyabob_> this might be a frequent question, but where would the cheapest place to get a raspberry pi case be? Most places seems to charge the same amount for shipping as the case costs
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[0:04] <phire> I'm having problems connecting to a serial tty with the latest arch linux install
[0:04] <phire> No messages while the kernel is booting
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[0:05] <phire> and then the getty is at the wrong speed
[0:05] <phire> 38200 instead of 115200
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> found it
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> instead of linking the service like I said earlier
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> copy it
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[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> then edit it
[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> "ExecStart=-/sbin/agetty --noclear %I 38400"
[0:06] <ShiftPlusOne> I am guessing that's where the clock speed problem is from
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[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> this shouldn't do anything but try changing 'console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1' and moving the 'console=tty1' before the rest of it.
[0:08] <ShiftPlusOne> (in cmdline obviously)
[0:08] <phire> much better
[0:09] <ShiftPlusOne> told you main channel would be more helpful =/
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[0:10] <phire> :)
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[0:10] <ShiftPlusOne> got the boot messages as well?
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[0:11] <phire> yeah
[0:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Really, just had to switch the order?
[0:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Didn't think that would work.
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[0:14] <phire> its possible my usb serial converter was confused
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[0:36] <phire> ShiftPlusOne, instead of editing getty@.service
[0:36] <phire> just link serial-getty.service
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[1:01] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone here have experience with Pretec MicroSDs?
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[1:19] <ShiftPlusOne> phire: ah, good tip, thanks.
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[1:29] <Nahledge> How long does it take to get an raspberry pi delivered to Canada. I've heard it takes 3-6 months to get one. Thats pretty ridiculous
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[1:29] <Disconnect> depends on when you order. there are times it takes 3-6 months to get them anywhere
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[1:30] <Nahledge> Is there a dedicated list of reliable shippers anywhere?
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[1:32] <linuxstb> Nahledge: If no-one answers here, you could perhaps try the shipping section on the forums - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=23
[1:33] <home> Meetar: welcome, you have to be registered to join these channels, since they are "special"
[1:33] <home> and we like special channels...
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[1:34] <Meetar> hi all - anyone have any experience getting usb microphones working?
[1:34] <phire> nope
[1:34] <ShiftPlusOne> I have experience plugging them in and them working automagically, but that's about it.
[1:34] <Meetar> ...or dealing with alsa in general? i have arecord working but not sox
[1:35] <Meetar> i couldn't get automagic working either :P
[1:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Does linux load the necessary driver when you plug it in? What does dmesg say?
[1:37] <Meetar> i believe so - it can record using arecord - but sox says "can't open input `default' no such file etc
[1:37] <Meetar> i don't know how to read dmegs - new to linux
[1:37] <Meetar> dmesg
[1:37] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, so it works, just a matter of configuring what you want exactly
[1:37] <Meetar> lots of Alsa opens and closes
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[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> sox is that audio 'swiss army knife' right?
[1:38] <Meetar> i'd like to use the sox utils rather than the basic arecord - yep
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you might just need to pass the right parameter to sox when you launch it
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> try checking the man page
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> 'max sox' or whatever the command is called
[1:39] <Meetar> ...
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[1:39] <Meetar> man rec
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[1:40] <Meetar> yeah i'm not sure how to set those params - i'll give it another look and report back
[1:40] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ Two cameras inside my dmz running motion aggregated on my web server running motion.
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[1:40] <ShiftPlusOne> rikkib: and that's running off a pi?
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[1:41] <mhz> i used motion for a while, ended up moving to zoneminder
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[1:41] <Meetar> rikkib: that's live, eh?
[1:41] <rikkib> two RPi one 512 one 256
[1:41] <rikkib> hello
[1:41] <Nahledge> Are the license keys necessary for playing back DIVX .AVI or .MP4 videos, such as the ones that come from bittorrent generally?
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[1:41] <rikkib> hand
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[1:41] <rikkib> my hand
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[1:41] <Meetar> cooool
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought there were problems with motion?
[1:42] <rikkib> Now to make some json work
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[1:42] <rikkib> There is... Gate 2 will crash in time
[1:42] <CelticTurnip> Nahledge: nope
[1:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah =(
[1:43] <rikkib> gate 1 is running on a 256 running old kernel that does not crash
[1:43] <Nahledge> What media needs the mpeg-2 of vc-i, dvd roms or something? I mean I know its a filetype, but what usually would come in the form and require such key?
[1:43] <Nahledge> My grammar is terrible today :(
[1:44] <phire> Nahledge, dvds
[1:44] <CelticTurnip> Nahledge: hardware accelerated dvd, bluray, microsoft video codecs... if you search the internet for each codec type you'll see what uses them
[1:44] <pksato> mpeg-2 is DVD codec
[1:44] <phire> some blurays
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[1:44] <phire> And digital tv
[1:44] <phire> sometimes
[1:44] <Nahledge> can you even play a dvd disc through pi?
[1:45] <pksato> and some early dtv.
[1:45] <rikkib> I plugged a sd card running latest stuff that was running on a 256 model into the 512 model and it run no prob
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[1:46] <Nahledge> Okay I searched. Pretty uncessary. I could just use an actual dvd player if I had the actualy disc... A usb dvd drive isnt that much more portable than a small dvd player anyway...
[1:48] <trevorman> Nahledge: You can rip DVDs.
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[2:04] <home> so I found a heatsink
[2:04] <home> YAY
[2:04] <home> with fan :D
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[3:02] <Gr33n3gg> http://imgur.com/a/Ic0JC
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[3:05] <rikkib> Haha. Half the sd card is just plastic
[3:06] <phire> Sometimes
[3:06] <Gr33n3gg> ^
[3:06] <phire> sometimes not
[3:06] <Gr33n3gg> inb4 you cut your SD card in half and the flash memory is in the end
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[3:09] <definity> Any one got any good tutoirla on how to use the GPIO pins?
[3:10] <A318T> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[3:10] <Gr33n3gg> definity: check out http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-use-your-raspberry-pi-like-an-arduino
[3:11] <Gr33n3gg> I used the rpi.gpio python library to read my NES controller, it was pretty easy
[3:11] <definity> Cool but i don't know python only C/C++ and ASM
[3:12] <Gr33n3gg> then check out wiringPi, it's a C library
[3:12] <definity> Cool thanks :)
[3:12] <A318T> "You can?t just put sudo before each command because the second command that the output is directed to would not be run as root. So, for simplicity, we drop into root first."
[3:13] <Hodapp> and gordonDrogon develops it, so harass him about problems!
[3:13] <A318T> He needs to learn more about linux and sudo before writing inaccurate comments
[3:14] <s5fs> A318T: haha, in what respect? afaik, if you separate commands on the cli (ie, sudo cmd1; cmd2;) then cmd2 will run as current user, not as root.
[3:14] <s5fs> A318T: not to say there aren't better ways to run as root though
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[3:17] <axion> sudo su -c 'cmd1; cmd2'
[3:18] <s5fs> axion: agreed, that works too (being a single cmd executing under sudo)
[3:18] <s5fs> setuid is prob a better idea though
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[3:18] <axion> keep in mind passwordless privilege escalation is a common misuse of sudo though
[3:18] <Hodapp> yes, yes it is
[3:19] <s5fs> axion: true, but not on all platforms/implementations
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[3:19] <Gr33n3gg> just run everyone as root, then you don't have to worry about permissions or anything!
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[3:19] <s5fs> haha, there is value in simplicity
[3:19] <Hodapp> I was in a network security class once where I rooted the test server around a dozen times and did not do a single assignment in the class
[3:19] <axion> some stuff even root cannot do
[3:19] <invisiblek> anyone run retropie?
[3:19] <Hodapp> got an A because the professor was impressed, and also because he told us cheating was not only allowed but encouraged in this course
[3:19] <Gr33n3gg> invisiblek: yes
[3:20] <Hodapp> the majority of these rootings were via setuid privilege escalation
[3:20] <invisiblek> Gr33n3gg, were you able to configure controls for player2? if so would you mind sharing your config withme?
[3:20] <invisiblek> with me**
[3:20] <CelticTurnip> having sudo set up to run every command as root is a quick sign of a bad admin ;)
[3:20] <Gr33n3gg> invisiblek: I do not have a player 2 :(
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[3:21] <CelticTurnip> allowing sudo to drop you to a root prompt is just restarded ;)
[3:21] <invisiblek> ah, k :)
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[3:21] <Hodapp> CelticTurnip: if said admin doesn't ever have anyone else using the machine, I'd forgive it.
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[3:22] <plugwash> well allowing any command kinda implies that they can drop to a root prompt if they want
[3:22] <CelticTurnip> Hodapp: I wouldn't - someone breaks in, sudo -l ... you can run everything... next step... pwned
[3:22] <s5fs> almost across the board, shared accounts of any nature are a bad idea
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[3:23] <plugwash> in general I think a lot of people have computer security backwards, you should log in to the most privilaged environment you are going to use and then lauch stuff with lower privilages
[3:23] <CelticTurnip> sudo is great if used quickly, but this Ubuntufication of just allowing it to run everything is insane IMO
[3:23] <Gr33n3gg> Hodapp: reminds me of this http://global3.memecdn.com/Is-Cheating-Morally-Wrong_o_98747.gif
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[3:23] <CelticTurnip> quickly - what the... properly even...
[3:23] <CelticTurnip> don't worry about me, I'm insane from configuring Cisco's for the last 4 hours ;)
[3:24] <axion> their idea is its more secure to have a random root password that is never accessed, while users blindly copy/paste sudo commands from the web, lol
[3:24] <Gr33n3gg> oh, fun
[3:24] <plugwash> doing the opposite means that someone who can break into your regular environment and setup traps so that next time you escalate to higher privilages the hacker can exploit that
[3:24] <s5fs> plugwash: seems like that would be more risky, the chances of running at a higher level by accident seems more possible
[3:24] <s5fs> axion: for an end-user system, that's totally reasonable imho
[3:25] <s5fs> security is about balancing 'secure' and 'usable', making things too challenging for the end-user will result in the disabling the security entirely (see: windows uac)
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[3:27] <s5fs> CelticTurnip: aye, cisco. i'm dropping in some additional 1142s tomm (APs). hate configuring them, my cisco-foo is rusting and these don't standard ios anyways, fun stuff.
[3:27] <CelticTurnip> I have sudo set up to run 1 command on most the boxes I look after, tail.. that's it :)
[3:28] <axion> i am a believer that you shouldnt use sudo or root blindly if you dont know about linux security
[3:28] <s5fs> CelticTurnip: how do you manage priv escalation? ie, how would you add someone to sudoers for instance?
[3:29] <axion> for an end user, especially
[3:29] <CelticTurnip> I use BSD but I'm sure it's similar on Linux, the visudo command... and just edit
[3:29] <s5fs> axion: haha, i'm a firm believer that everyone should successfully modify the linux kernel before being allowed to surf the web, but nobody else seems to agree
[3:29] <s5fs> CelticTurnip: haha, bad example, but my question stands. when you do need root, how are you going about it? or do you never 'run with scissors'?
[3:30] <s5fs> i have a couple approaches depending on perceived value of the system, but for my own stuffs i tend to just use a fairly restricted sudoers file
[3:30] <CelticTurnip> well I'm in the wheel group so I can use su whenever I need, users that don't need root access (which would be pretty much everyone else) can just use sudo and the commands they're allowed to run
[3:31] <s5fs> oh man, i haven't heard wheel group in a while, cracks me up
[3:31] <definity> can someone tell me why when i goto /dev/port my machine shuts down?
[3:32] <axion> define goto
[3:32] <CelticTurnip> s5fs: that's BSD for ya ;)
[3:32] <s5fs> CelticTurnip: i cut my teeth on solaris and hpux, nowadays it's all windows and linux. haven't seen commercial unix in over two years.
[3:33] <definity> well cat /dev/port
[3:33] <CelticTurnip> last time I used a Sun box running Solaris... was... um... yesterday :)
[3:33] <CelticTurnip> we pretty much use Windows, OpenBSD and FreeBSD here
[3:34] <Tabaliah> My Pi's are alive!
[3:34] <CelticTurnip> \o/
[3:34] <s5fs> CelticTurnip: damn, still running sun gear? incredible! i'm trying to work back to pure software but still about 40% doing systems and network stuff, totally varied.
[3:34] <s5fs> (consulting)
[3:34] * Tabaliah bought four last week but this is the first chance I had to try them . . .
[3:35] <CelticTurnip> s5fs: yeah I'm trying to get myself a Sun Ultra 45 workstation today, just waiting on the owner to turn up so I can put the machine in the car :)
[3:36] <CelticTurnip> I have a copy of Solaris 10 u10 at home, but in all honesty I'll probably dump OpenBSD on it
[3:36] <s5fs> nice, i forget which sun workstations i had. last server i managed was an e4500, i miss turning the key to start 'em. having a forth interpreter for the bootprom is funky too
[3:37] <s5fs> CelticTurnip: i still have the source code for solaris 8 somewhere, haha!
[3:37] <CelticTurnip> ^__^
[3:38] <CelticTurnip> I love me some crusty old Unix boxes :)
[3:38] <CelticTurnip> there's a nice old Alpha here I want to "borrow" also
[3:38] <s5fs> i think it was around 2002/2004 that i took a gig doing cobol programming (lawson erp) and that's where my professional unix admin career ended. now it's just pinch-hitting on web servers and the occasional consulting gig doing something basic, haha
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[3:38] <s5fs> man, i ran nt 4 on a dec alpha back in the day, ran sql server. it was soo fast!
[3:38] <CelticTurnip> yeah they were insane boxes
[3:38] <s5fs> CelticTurnip: me too, love crusty old gear. i have a real passion for under-loved tech.
[3:39] <s5fs> during the dot-com boom and bust i was living in sf and oakland, so gear was everywhere
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[3:39] <s5fs> my buddy landed an irix box, we got apache running on it and he hosted our hockey team website for a while, too funny
[3:40] <axion> i want a Lisp Machine
[3:40] <CelticTurnip> I'd like to say it's the same here in Austrlia, but I'd be lying... most people here would walk passed a Indigo 2 or Sunfire if they saw it on the street :)
[3:40] <s5fs> axion: you a lisper?
[3:40] * CelticTurnip I'd cry and pull the car up
[3:40] <axion> exclusively lisp these days
[3:40] <s5fs> axion: fascinating! what sort of work are you doing?
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[3:41] <axion> mostly web apps and gamedev fun
[3:42] <s5fs> so are you compiling down to js for the front-end or how's that working?
[3:42] <axion> for js, i use parenscript, a library to write js in lisp
[3:43] <axion> i do the same for xhtml with sexml library
[3:43] <axion> everything is in pure lisp the way i like it :)
[3:43] <s5fs> gotcha. i know there are a few options but i'm not a lisper.
[3:45] <Hodapp> axion: you silly lisper you.
[3:45] <s5fs> i'm working with js a lot these days, node.js mainly. i don't care for front-end work but am also working on some canvas libraries for medical charting.
[3:45] <Hodapp> axion: just use Emacs in the meantime if you can't find a Lisp Machine.
[3:45] <s5fs> axion: any recommended starting point for lisp?
[3:45] <axion> i dislike emacs (funny coming from a lisper, i know)
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[3:46] <axion> recommend you to read practical common lisp first
[3:47] <axion> and get dirty and head on over to #lispweb where you can find me and others for help :)
[3:48] <s5fs> axion: cool, i'll put it on the list. takes me a while to get moving on new things but i really want to have a better understanding of functional programming.
[3:48] <axion> a couple years ago i was happy with python...for about a decade. i hated the look of lisp, how confusing it seemed, and how hard it seemed to write the simplest code...now i laugh at that.
[3:49] * Hodapp starts sharpening a parenthesis
[3:49] <axion> i ctually think lisp is better at RAD than python, and you can express more in less, yet concise code
[3:49] <s5fs> every smart programmer i know has experience with lisp and most of them really like it. that can't be coincidence.
[3:49] <axion> in less time
[3:51] <axion> lisp is amazing....and was way ahead of its time when invented
[3:51] <s5fs> i've always liked python but have written relatively little code. i competed in pyweek a couple times and built a handful of sites.
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[3:51] <Hodapp> I've found Python very handy for a lot of stuff.
[3:51] <s5fs> it's incredible how little things have changed in the past 30 years w/respect to popular languages.
[3:51] <Tachyon`> http://xkcd.com/297/
[3:51] <axion> the author actually coined the term "artificial intelligence" and it is still probably the most suitable for said task...keep in mind lisp was invented almost 20 years prior to C
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[3:52] <s5fs> Hodapp: i got by with perl or sh/sed/awk. it was awkward but i survived. lotta places i worked didn't have python installed on their systems.
[3:53] <herdingcat> hi, does rpi have any message if no SD card inserted?
[3:53] <Tachyon`> no
[3:53] <axion> no
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[3:53] <herdingcat> so if a wrong SD card inserted any message?
[3:54] <herdingcat> if an empty SD card inserted.
[3:54] <A318T> no
[3:55] <herdingcat> okay
[3:55] <A318T> nothing happens...
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[3:55] <herdingcat> I purchased a USB-TTL cable for serial console support but I don't have SD card now so I'd like to have a try if the console is good
[3:56] <Tachyon`> oh, you might get some output with that, not sure
[3:56] <herdingcat> Tachyon`, if no SD card?
[3:56] <Tachyon`> well, there is a bootloader on the device
[3:56] <Tachyon`> it might produce some console output via a ttl serial cable
[3:56] <phire> it doesn't touch serial
[3:56] <Tachyon`> also, be aware not all ttl serial is created equal
[3:56] <Tachyon`> and the pi won't like the 5v type
[3:56] <herdingcat> phire, I'm confused.
[3:57] <herdingcat> Tachyon`, my cable only has GND, RX, TX
[3:57] <Tachyon`> yes, but is it 5v or 3.3v
[3:57] <bbond007> if its a 3v then you'll need a max232
[3:57] <phire> herdingcat, there is no output on the serial cable until linux starts booting
[3:57] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure the pi inputs are 5v tolerant
[3:57] <Tachyon`> bbond007: , you mean 233
[3:57] <Tachyon`> the 232 is 5v
[3:57] <herdingcat> Tachyon`, I use USB as power
[3:58] <herdingcat> phire, so I can see nothing actually if I don't have SD card.
[3:58] <Tachyon`> are you an atheist by any chance?
[3:58] <herdingcat> phire, got it.
[3:58] <bbond007> Tachyon`, ya, a 233
[3:58] <Tachyon`> someone once said organising atheists was like herding cats, lol
[3:58] <plugwash> The Pis GPIO lines are 3.3V and are NOT 5V tolerant
[3:58] <axion> s5fs: read the introduction here at least: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/introduction-why-lisp.html
[3:58] <plugwash> connecting a 5V source to them is likely to destroy them
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[3:58] <axion> the rest of the book freely readable online is invaluable too, but that will give you an idea of why we love lisp
[3:59] <phire> herdingcat, theoretically there is a way to get it to boot off usb. But the usb to Ethernet connector gets in the way of that
[3:59] <Tachyon`> you can just have a small read only card with the boot files on mind
[3:59] <Tachyon`> and have the root fs on something else
[3:59] <Tachyon`> which is what I'll have to do if I want to use it for anything long term
[4:00] <Tachyon`> as the SD support is flakey as hell
[4:00] <s5fs> axion: cool, i'm looking for an ebook version now. i'm currently midway through a book on multithreaded java, not much fun.
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[4:00] <phire> hmm why is the SD support flakey?
[4:01] <axion> the whole book is on the website...recommended to read from there as it has links to code tgz's etc
[4:01] <phire> I know why usb and ethernet are flakey
[4:01] <Tachyon`> I wish I knew, heh
[4:01] <Tachyon`> all I know is I get random sd corruption in linux
[4:01] <Tachyon`> but none at all in risc os
[4:01] <Tachyon`> and no, it's not overclocked atm, it just happens every week or two for no damn reason
[4:01] <Tachyon`> I have a pic somewhere of a running system failing for no reason
[4:01] <phire> Has anyone tried using the second sdhost controller?
[4:01] <axion> Tachyon`: you are not alone...trust me
[4:02] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.pi/piwtf.jpg
[4:02] <phire> Actually, the second sdhost is used during boot, any chance its still running?
[4:03] <Tachyon`> that system hadn't even been turned off or rebooted since tha tcard was written and it still failed, heh
[4:03] <axion> i even went through the trouble of using SD only for /boot
[4:04] <axion> and about hald of the time when i update the firmware, the system will crash, and the sd will fail to boot
[4:04] <Tachyon`> however I keep /usr/src and /rescue on a hard disk
[4:04] <Tachyon`> and /home
[4:04] <axion> or the kernel
[4:04] <Tachyon`> so the failures are less of a problem now
[4:04] <Tachyon`> my suspicion is buggy sd support in the kernel
[4:04] <Tachyon`> or the sd interface itself is failing/disconnecting at random
[4:04] <axion> indeed i always dd the sd after a successful write to it
[4:05] <phire> Yes, but that's not the only place for things to go wrong
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[4:05] <Tachyon`> aye, I have a large fat partition on teh HDD for backups etc.
[4:05] <axion> in 6 months of pi owning, i go through about an SD a month
[4:05] <Tachyon`> phire: perhaps not but it's the only two things I could think of
[4:05] <Tachyon`> having eliminated most others
[4:05] <Tachyon`> power, reboots/power off before writes completed etc.
[4:05] <Tachyon`> and five different SD cards have now exhibited the same issue
[4:05] <phire> So you can consistently reproduce a sd card corruption?
[4:05] <Tachyon`> so it's not that either
[4:06] <Tachyon`> no, did I not say it happens at random?
[4:06] <axion> i would like to try a journal-less fs though, as i susepected ext4 for a while. i have yet to migrate to nilfs2 on my pi
[4:06] <Tachyon`> but I can attempt to fix things, then wait and see if it fails again
[4:06] <CelticTurnip> axion: you serious? I'd be looking for a new platform... screw that! I've been using the same card since day 1 (about 6 months without issue)... if that happened to me on the regularity I'd through the Pi out :)
[4:06] <phire> I'm just wondering if its possible force linux to use the other sd card controller
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[4:07] <Tachyon`> I'm unaware of anything like that, you'd think only one would be connected to teh slot even if there are two
[4:07] <phire> linux has a driver for both, but I have no idea how its selecting
[4:07] <axion> indeed, which is why i run off a 2.5" HDD once booted
[4:07] <phire> They are rerouted with gpios
[4:07] <axion> i can deal with a few MB boot partition corruption occasionally
[4:07] <phire> just like the 2 serial ports which ends up on the same 2 pins
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[4:08] <Tachyon`> thing is, whatever the problem is it seems to affect /only/ extn filesystems
[4:08] <Tachyon`> not risc os, not msdos
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[4:08] <axion> well it does it for vfat for my /boot sometimes, but not as much as ext4
[4:08] <fuzz1981> which problem?
[4:08] <Tachyon`> ah, maybe I've just not got to experience that one yet then, lol
[4:09] <Tachyon`> fuzz1981: sd fs corruption
[4:09] <fuzz1981> ah .. i've never had that happen
[4:09] <Tachyon`> what sort of pi have you got?
[4:09] <phire> The only sdcard problems I ran into were more physical
[4:09] <axion> rev1 256
[4:09] <Tachyon`> and axion, what pi have you got?
[4:09] <fuzz1981> 10 rev2 512
[4:10] <Tachyon`> ah, I think I see a pattern
[4:10] <phire> as in the actual case of the sd card broke
[4:10] <Tachyon`> mine is also an original 256
[4:10] <Tachyon`> wonder if something got quietly fixed
[4:10] <Tachyon`> I need to order a 512 anyway, heh
[4:10] <fuzz1981> there shouldn't really be anything different with the mmc interface
[4:10] <Tachyon`> it also shouldn't be corrupting cards, yet it is
[4:11] <fuzz1981> what kernel?
[4:11] <Tachyon`> I dunno, whatever is current in raspbian hf
[4:11] <fuzz1981> and is it a crappy card?
[4:11] <Tachyon`> 5 cards, from crap to very good
[4:11] <Tachyon`> no difference
[4:11] <fuzz1981> very good as in ebay very good
[4:11] <fuzz1981> or actually very good
[4:12] <Tachyon`> I meant exactly what I said, heh
[4:12] <Tachyon`> oh bollocks
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[4:12] <axion> 5 of the 6 cards i went through were different brands...including sandisk and pny...most class 4, some class 6 and 10...nothing the same about them
[4:12] <Tachyon`> (unrelated)
[4:12] <Tachyon`> yeah, I had a new 16 sandisk, an 8 duracell, and 3 4s from various companies
[4:13] <axion> the first 1 i immediately corrupted myself by overclocking the mmc
[4:13] <Tachyon`> dammit, the cluib is today
[4:13] <Tachyon`> thought it was tomorrow
[4:13] <fuzz1981> did you change any of the clock settings?
[4:13] <Tachyon`> yes and no, that isn't the problem
[4:13] <Tachyon`> as it wasn't overclocked to start with, then it was, then it wasn't again after someon ehere suggester that might be the issue
[4:13] <Tachyon`> it wasn't
[4:14] <axion> same for me
[4:14] <Tachyon`> I have to somehow pack up a tv, pi and related bits and get them to the club on a bike tomorrow
[4:14] <Tachyon`> as someone is restarting the old computer club for the pi
[4:14] <Tachyon`> (used to be st, amiga, pc)
[4:14] <fuzz1981> yeah i never trust overclocking :)
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[4:16] <axion> my pi runs stable at 1ghz/500mhz arm/core (32d uptime currently)
[4:17] <CelticTurnip> is this the same 1 that eats SD cards? :P
[4:18] <axion> it was until i stopped writing to it and use an hdd. overclocking is not the issue, as before i even overclocked it it corrupted sd cards
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[4:20] <axion> also it's min_freq is 400. so running much lower than normal clock rate most of the time
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[4:36] <rikkib> My second 512 RPi arrived today... Ordered yesterday which means there must be some stock in New Zealand. I now have $250 worth of RPi.
[4:37] <rikkib> Outstanding Element 14
[4:37] <A318T> I have 2x 256's and 3x 512's!
[4:37] <rikkib> Uggg
[4:38] <rikkib> One more than me
[4:38] <A318T> one has yet to be removed from the box...
[4:38] <A318T> sitting there mocking me
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[4:39] <rikkib> I lack power supplies atm
[4:40] <rikkib> and I need a couple more sd cards I guess... I have three.
[4:41] <rikkib> and an OS that hangs in there with motion...
[4:42] <rikkib> something the current Raspbian can't do.
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[4:42] <fuzz1981> hehe i'll have 22 in a few weeks :)
[4:43] <fuzz1981> have 10 running on the network right now
[4:43] <rikkib> One in the hand is worth more than two in the bush
[4:43] <rikkib> Wow
[4:43] <CelticTurnip> fuzz1981: what are you doing with them?
[4:44] <fuzz1981> dev
[4:44] <rikkib> mini super computer
[4:44] <fuzz1981> distributed software
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[4:45] <cyclick> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2012/11/raspberry-pi-vs-mk802.html
[4:45] <axion> screw mk802. get an mk808
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[4:46] <axion> mk802 is sloooowwwww
[4:46] <cyclick> what about raspberry-pi?
[4:46] <axion> slower hehe
[4:46] <fuzz1981> i just got a MX53 Cortex A8 today
[4:46] <axion> cant beat a dual core 1.6ghz, with quad core gpu capable of 2160p and realtime encoding
[4:46] <axion> cortex a9
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[4:47] <fuzz1981> i'm looking at ordering one of those A15 boards
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[4:50] <axion> rikkib: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-in-1-DC-5V-15000mAh-9V-8500mAh-12V-6500mAh-Super-Rechargeable-Lithium-ion-Battery-for/601315288.html for your multi-pi powering needs...highly recommended
[4:51] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesaleproduct/wholesaleProductDetail.htm?productId=526499533&productSubject=5-PCS-LLOT-LM2596-DC-DC-Converter-Power-Supply-Buck-Step-Down-Module-4-40V-to
[4:52] <rikkib> This is what I will be using on my proof of concept
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[4:53] <rikkib> The application is a gate opener... It has 24v dc and cat6e to the gate 150m away
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[4:54] <axion> so what do you need 7 pi's for?
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[4:55] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ There is one powering my STM32V on the bench atm.
[4:55] <rikkib> Me?
[4:55] <axion> yes you, with $250 worth of pi's that need to be powered
[4:55] <rikkib> $250NZD
[4:56] <rikkib> Landed they are $55.50NZD
[4:56] <axion> aha. i was doing usd before shipping :)
[4:56] <axion> 4 is different than 7
[4:57] <rikkib> I have 4 and 2 are 256 models so they will never be used anywhere but here on the r&d bench
[4:57] <rikkib> Never said I had 7
[4:57] <axion> i know...i did the math in USD....just updated my answer to 4 :)
[4:57] <CelticTurnip> I thought the getting ridded off in .au land tax was high, but damn it's bad in NZ :)
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[4:58] <rikkib> Will have another 2 when RS is able to supply
[4:58] <rikkib> On back order and paid for already...
[4:58] <rikkib> RS DEA end of dec
[4:58] <CelticTurnip> it seems RS are pretty shocking for delivery, I've only ordered through e14 and had no issues
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[5:00] <rikkib> I emailed E14. Thay were showing on stock. They phoned me and set one aside and a few hours later more stock arrived from Singapore.
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[5:02] <rikkib> So I ordered another. Thur E14 phoned. Have both Items. Tuedays
[5:02] <rikkib> dyslexic fingers
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[5:04] <axion> what does your stm32v do?
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[5:05] <rikkib> touch screen arm11
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[5:05] <rikkib> Have it hooked to the RPi serial and spi ports
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[5:05] <axion> yes but purpose? just using instead of hdmi or?
[5:05] <rikkib> want to put 320x240 web cam image on the screen
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[5:06] <rikkib> touch control of a headless RPi
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[5:07] <rikkib> Part of the overall scheme of things using the RPi as a security device
[5:08] <axion> do you program the graphics, or is there some api for displaying things
[5:08] <Tachyon`> sdl might be your first port of call
[5:08] <axion> i am building a portable DAP...would be nice to have a touchscreen for changing tracks, etc
[5:08] <Tachyon`> although you'll probably have several different answers to what's best
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[5:09] <axion> and SDL is the only thing i am well versed in...it would def be in SDL if i could do it
[5:09] <Tachyon`> SDL handily works from the console or X
[5:09] <rikkib> I have not started on the programing yet apart from a small test to talk to ttyAMA0
[5:09] <Tachyon`> unless lazy coders don't bother to set a default palette
[5:09] * Tachyon` glares at the vice coders
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[5:10] <rikkib> I plan of doing a custom solution for 32 bit spi bust mode and 36MHz
[5:10] <rikkib> at 36MHz
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[5:12] <rikkib> One need to compare BCM and ARM Cortex data sheets to see where the best compatible mode is.
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[5:45] <axion> PiBot: you missed 7 nicks with your voice spam
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[5:47] <ryushe> anyone here mess around with 3G modems?
[5:49] <Milos> rpi devs should comment stuff more
[5:49] <Milos> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/ada8b4415ff44d535d63e4291a0eca733bc2ad0f
[5:49] <Milos> what difference does this cause
[5:49] <Milos> ryushe, yes that's all I mess around with
[5:50] <ryushe> \o/
[5:50] <ryushe> so, 2 quick questions if I may
[5:50] <Milos> ok
[5:51] <ryushe> have any experience with getting this going with an AT&T prepaid data only simcard??
[5:52] <Milos> o_o
[5:52] <Milos> how does it matter what SIM it is, if it's a data SIM then you should be good to go if you know the APN
[5:52] <ryushe> secondly, I assume you're using Sakis? I got a Huawei e173 modem, but when I reboot the damned thing mounts as a CD instead of as a modem. Any way to automatically start it in modem mode and have it connect by default?
[5:53] <Milos> what on earth is sakis
[5:53] <ryushe> Sakis3G?
[5:53] <Milos> you need to use usb_modeswitch
[5:53] <Milos> I have no idea what sakis3g is
[5:53] <ryushe> http://www.sakis3g.org
[5:53] <ryushe> seems to work for a lot of people
[5:54] <Milos> I prefer to do things manually, that looks like it automates a whole bunch of things
[5:54] <ryushe> as far as I know, it does.
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[5:54] <Milos> you need to install usb_modeswitch in order to swtich your device from the built-in flash memory to the actual modem interface
[5:54] <Milos> no it will never start automatically in a modem mode
[5:55] <Milos> but once usb_modeswitch is installed and correctly configured, it will automatically switch it when you plug it in, and bedone within 20 seconds
[5:55] <ryushe> ah
[5:55] <Milos> s/bedone/be done/
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[5:56] <ryushe> also when it reboots I assume? I am planning on having this thing sit pretty out of reach on 3g. I was hoping that when the thing reboots or loses power, it would automatically switch it to modem mode
[5:57] <Milos> that's what my pi does yes, but I wrote a separate start script for it because it didn't always do it on boot, I blame the pi for having quite a crap USB subsystem
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[5:57] <Milos> so it couldn't always switch properly on a cold/warm boot
[5:57] <ryushe> hmm
[5:58] <Milos> so my script just runs `udevadm trigger` if the device doesn't exist on boot
[5:58] <Milos> which is what triggers udev to recognise the device, and then usb_modeswitch will switch it
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[5:59] <Milos> so for you, you should just install usb_modeswitch, and half your problems should be gone
[5:59] <ryushe> gotcha
[5:59] <ryushe> so if you set everything up yourself, I assume you use wvdial?
[5:59] <ryushe> just did that
[6:02] <Milos> to test yup
[6:02] <Milos> otherwise it's in my network startup
[6:02] <Milos> I use Gentoo anyway so it's different if you're using any other distro
[6:02] <Milos> so I can't walk you through that but there should be plenty of howtos online
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[6:02] <Milos> did wvdial work for you?
[6:03] <ryushe> I'll have to read more about this. So far the device is not reporting anything besides it being plugged in. It's not connecting at least, says it's looking for network :/
[6:04] <Milos> hmm hang on
[6:04] <ryushe> ie. the indicator light says that
[6:04] <Milos> looking for network?
[6:04] <Milos> so it hasn't even found a provider?
[6:04] <ryushe> apparently not
[6:04] <ryushe> bah
[6:04] <Milos> that means there's something wrong with your SIM and/or account
[6:04] <ryushe> oh well, it'll have to wait till tomorrow then. AT&T ain't open anymore
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[6:05] <ryushe> thanks for the info. I'll read more about this and see if I can figure this thing out. It's sort of crucial to my project that this works :/
[6:06] <Milos> well, is the OS recognising the device - is there a /dev/ttyUSBX or ttyACMx device?
[6:07] <ryushe> I see a ttyAMA0
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[6:07] <ryushe> but that's just RS232
[6:08] <ryushe> in other words, no. Don't see a device
[6:08] <Milos> yeah so your device isn't being recognised at all
[6:08] <Milos> did you install usb_modeswitch?
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[6:08] <ryushe> I do all of a sudden have a wwan0 network interface
[6:09] <ryushe> Milos: yep
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[6:09] <Milos> wwan0 sounds promising but I've never heard of anything that makes that device
[6:09] <Milos> https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Huawei+e173+usb_modeswitch&oq=Huawei+e173+usb_modeswitch&aqs=chrome.0.57.1839&sugexp=chrome,mod=8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Huawei+e173+usb_modeswitch+wwan0&oq=Huawei+e173+usb_modeswitch+wwan0&gs_l=serp.3...25894.26343.0.26490.6.5.0.0.0.0.301.1095.2-3j1.4.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.WsCVBZ9wzhs&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=793b1fd8ab0
[6:09] <Milos> ca929&bpcl=38897761&biw=1920&bih=979
[6:09] <Milos> sounds about right
[6:10] <Gr33n3gg> how does one pronounce huawei? "hoo-way"?
[6:10] <Milos> Hua Wei
[6:10] <Milos> just like that
[6:10] <ryushe> from dmesg: "cdc_ether 1-1.3.4:1.1: wwan0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.3.4, Mobile Broadband Network Device, 02:50:f3:00:00:00"
[6:11] <Milos> so you're good
[6:11] <Milos> now try unplug it and plug it in?
[6:11] <Gr33n3gg> wat, it's pronounced "wah-way"
[6:12] <ryushe> good, got ttyUSB0, 1, and 2
[6:12] <Milos> yep so one of those will be your modem
[6:12] <Milos> you can fiddle with wvdial or something
[6:12] <Milos> see if you can talk to it
[6:12] <ryushe> after unplugging / plugging back in
[6:13] <Milos> wvdial has an autodetect thing
[6:13] <Milos> I think it's wvdialconf
[6:13] <Milos> try wvdialconf
[6:13] <ryushe> so after the modeswitch is done, it keeps that info if you unplug it and plug it back in?
[6:13] <rikkib> My Raspberry Pi USB Break Out Box http://www.zlham.geek.nz/
[6:13] <Milos> usb_modeswitch will swtich all modems that it knows about, and it seems like it knows about your one, so every time you plug it in it should automatically switch and you'll be good to go
[6:14] <Milos> perhaps in some cases that won't happen, but maybe you'll be lucky every time
[6:14] <ryushe> that's great then
[6:14] <Milos> in any case, if it doesn't, just run `udevadm trigger`
[6:14] <Milos> should do it
[6:14] <ryushe> wvdialconf found modem on ttyUSB0
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[6:15] <Milos> cool, so it looks like you're set, just need to talk to the network operator
[6:15] <ryushe> heh, max speed is 9600 though
[6:15] <ryushe> is that normal or because the network cannot be found yet?
[6:15] <Milos> hmm
[6:15] <Milos> let me do some checks
[6:16] <Milos> well
[6:16] <Milos> Mine goes up to the max of 115200 which is only 14KB/s, which is nonsense because I get full 7.2Mbps speed
[6:16] <Milos> so don't ask me
[6:16] <Milos> (I don't think you should worry about that number)
[6:17] <ryushe> yeah, I'd like to see it connect at least.
[6:17] <Milos> if you run wvdial now, it will try to connect but you should see the "NO CARRIER" error message
[6:17] <ryushe> my project uses at most 150kb a day anyways, spread out over the day, so speed is not a real concern here tbh
[6:18] <Milos> sweet as, sounds like you'd be happy even with 2G GPRS speeds
[6:18] <ryushe> it's telling me that the configuration file has no phone number, login name and password set. Which I'll hopefully fix when I get those damned AT&T people to actually talk to me
[6:19] <ryushe> 2G would be fine
[6:19] <Milos> ah of course
[6:19] <Milos> forgot about that!
[6:19] <Milos> your phone number will most likely be *99#
[6:19] <Milos> if not that then a combination of it, like: *99***9#
[6:19] <Milos> and username/password will be whatever they tell you
[6:19] <Milos> oh and you'll need to know the APN
[6:19] <Milos> APN = access point name
[6:19] <Milos> which they will tell you and/or you can pick from
[6:19] <Milos> for example, if you need to CONNECT to your raspberry pi remotely
[6:19] <Milos> for example via SSH
[6:19] <ryushe> where do I set this? in the wvdial.conf file?
[6:19] <Milos> then you need to connect an APN that allows inbound connections
[6:20] <Milos> it will be in the following line:
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[6:20] <Milos> AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","direct"
[6:20] <Milos> that's a message that will be part of your chat script
[6:20] <Milos> a chat script is what wvdial executes
[6:20] <Milos> one sec someone's at the door
[6:21] <Milos> back
[6:21] <Milos> so to connect to 3G something needs to send your modem a bunch of commands
[6:21] <Milos> such as
[6:21] <Milos> ATZ
[6:21] <Milos> ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0
[6:21] <Milos> then AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","direct"
[6:21] <Milos> then ATDT <phone number goes here>
[6:22] <Milos> you should see that in the wvdial configuration somewhere
[6:22] <Milos> numbered like Init1 Init2 Init3 maybe
[6:22] <Milos> if I remember correctly
[6:22] <ryushe> gotcha
[6:22] <ryushe> I only have init1 and init2 for now
[6:22] <Milos> you won't need the ATDT one, that one dials the phone number automatically
[6:22] <ryushe> fascinating stuff
[6:23] <Milos> so you'll have the first two and AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","direct" where "direct" is your APN name
[6:23] <Milos> it can be anything, you just need to ask your ISP
[6:23] <Milos> and also like I said, if you need to connect to it remotely, then tell them that too
[6:23] <ryushe> ah, the googles tell me that baud numbers can be ignored with USB modems
[6:23] <Milos> because they might give you an APN that's just for regular surfing
[6:23] <Milos> yeah and there you go
[6:23] <ryushe> I will need remote connections, if only to keep tabs on things
[6:23] <Milos> yup
[6:24] <ryushe> as well as a little thingy that's running on port 80
[6:24] <Milos> so just ring up AT&T or go in-store of whatever and ask about their data plans
[6:24] <Milos> if they tell you to use an APN, add an Init3=AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","direct" where "direct"
[6:24] <Milos> with quotes or whatever
[6:24] <ryushe> good stuff.
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[6:25] <ryushe> So looks like with the card properly activated and an APN I should be good to go
[6:25] <Milos> yup
[6:25] <Milos> so right now you just need user, pass and APN
[6:25] <Milos> and you're done
[6:25] <ryushe> then all we have to do is figure out how to have it auto dial after possible reboots or when it loses connection
[6:25] <Milos> hope that helps
[6:25] <Milos> yeah that's where ppp comes in handy
[6:25] <Milos> ppp is what you will actually configure to run your connection
[6:25] <Milos> wvdial is just for testing really
[6:25] <Milos> what distro do you use?
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[6:26] <ryushe> it does
[6:26] <ryushe> thanks much for the info
[6:26] <ryushe> appreciate it
[6:26] <Milos> no problem
[6:26] <ryushe> raspbian
[6:26] <ryushe> I installed PPP earlier
[6:27] <Milos> yup
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[6:27] <Milos> have a search around the net for debian (because that's the same as raspbian really) with 3G ppp mobile Internet
[6:27] <Milos> you should be able to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces or wahtever the config file is
[6:28] <Milos> and then you can do stuff like /etc/init.d/network start or whatever and it will bring up your connection automatically
[6:28] <ryushe> first time I've ever played with something like this actually. That is, with a modem on linux.
[6:28] <Milos> :D
[6:28] <Milos> you'll figure it out
[6:28] <Milos> give some time, patience and learning
[6:28] <GabrialDestruir> Can the rPi handle 32GB cards?
[6:28] <Milos> and you'll be a pro in no time
[6:29] <Milos> GabrialDestruir, check the elinux page
[6:29] <Milos> GabrialDestruir, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[6:30] <Milos> it seems like 32GB is fine, and I even see a 64GB Kingston one
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[6:30] <ryushe> Milos: thanks again, appreciate the time
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[6:32] <GabrialDestruir> Aw crap, the ones I ordered are on the naughty list.
[6:32] <Milos> ryushe, my pleasure, hope it all works out with AT&T.
[6:32] <Milos> GabrialDestruir, :D
[6:32] <ryushe> hope so too. guess we'll find out. good thing is with this prepaid stuff, I can always switch to some company that's a bit more user friendly
[6:33] <ryushe> which provider do you use yourself? (assuming you're in the US?)
[6:33] <GabrialDestruir> Order some G.Skill 32GB MicroSDs with adapters
[6:35] <N0_Named_Guy> I just wanted to share that I made a game on C++ a while ago. Just because I could, I compiled it on an RPi. It ran! (although nothing was shown on screen, because of the shader use)
[6:37] <GabrialDestruir> Hoping to use one on my media center for faster net transfer speeds since trying to drop files or pull files from my External connected to the Pi creates a huge bottleneck
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[6:44] <GabrialDestruir> Wow.... are heatsinks really need for the rPi? lol
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[6:55] <GabrialDestruir> We should totally put all the verified peripheral stuff into a table so it's better organized.
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[6:56] <echelon> if anyone's interested, the motorola lapdock is being sold for $40.. http://1saleaday.com/flash/lapdock/
[6:56] <echelon> you can connect it to your dingleberry pi
[6:57] <echelon> requires a couple of cables and adapters though
[6:57] <echelon> but the built-in battery will give it 8+hrs of usage
[6:59] <GabrialDestruir> I was actually planning to grab one of those and see if I can reverse a OTG y Cable with adapters to make it work.
[7:01] <GabrialDestruir> Assuming I could make it works it'd make a viable alternative to having to splice your own cables.
[7:01] <echelon> GabrialDestruir: i ordered this.. http://dx.com/p/micro-usb-female-to-micro-male-female-adapter-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901
[7:02] <echelon> someone said you don't have to splice the cable
[7:02] <GabrialDestruir> and it works?
[7:02] <echelon> i havent yet received it so i havent been able to test it out
[7:02] <echelon> but yeah it should
[7:03] <GabrialDestruir> You'll need at least one adapter to plug into the USB side of the Pi
[7:03] <Ben64> thats a really good price for the lapdock
[7:03] <echelon> yeah, i got one
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[7:03] <echelon> female micro usb to male type a
[7:04] <Ben64> but I just spent $180 this past week
[7:04] <Ben64> dunno if I should
[7:04] <GabrialDestruir> I'm eager to hear your results, I've been putting off getting a laptop dock because I didn't want to have to make my own cord.
[7:04] <GabrialDestruir> I've spent.... like 300 today.... damn christmas shopping =\
[7:06] <GabrialDestruir> On the other hand I am getting a Wifi Dongle and a Hub for my Pi, along with new cards, so all is good :D
[7:06] <ccssnet> GabrialDestruir: 170 here
[7:08] <echelon> tsk.. forgot where i got the usb adapter
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[7:09] <GabrialDestruir> Eugh...
[7:09] <GabrialDestruir> Newegg hasn't sent me my receipt =\
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[7:10] <echelon> GabrialDestruir: same
[7:10] <echelon> they're under heavy load
[7:10] <echelon> aha.. found it
[7:10] <echelon> http://www.focalprice.com/CA0352B/USB_A_Male_to_Micro_USB_Female_Adapter_Black.html#.ULRZWe8u3PM
[7:11] <TheTodd__> what are some symptoms that an SD card is bad or is busted? Will it just not work at all or just work partially?
[7:11] <echelon> that will go with the data connector
[7:11] <echelon> TheTodd__: won't be able to mount
[7:11] <GabrialDestruir> You can tell when it's bad, when Windows starts telling you it needs to format it 90% of the time.
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[7:12] <TheTodd__> so if I can get it to mount in Linux, but it won't boot in a Pi there's something else wrong?
[7:12] <GabrialDestruir> Possibly.
[7:12] <echelon> TheTodd__: are you using usb?
[7:12] <GabrialDestruir> Improper formatting of the boot partition
[7:12] <echelon> yeah
[7:12] <fuzz1981> what happened before it stopped booting?
[7:12] <echelon> if you use usb to set it to bootable it won't work
[7:13] <echelon> like a sdcard to usb adapter
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[7:13] <TheTodd__> I did a pacman -Syu and there was a new kernel (it's Arch Linux that I'm running on the Pi)
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[7:14] <fuzz1981> echelon: i setup all my cards with a usb sd card adapter and a bash script and it worked fine
[7:14] <TheTodd__> rebooted everything was fine, then shut down to rebuild the box that the pi is in and when I restarted it wouldn't come up
[7:14] <echelon> i guess it depends on the adapter
[7:14] <GabrialDestruir> Updated kernel might have caused issues.
[7:15] <GabrialDestruir> Possibly missing the bootloader file that launches the kernel?
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[7:15] <fuzz1981> you might want to try copying everything from vfat, mkfs.vfat it, and copy everything back
[7:15] <TheTodd__> ok, I'll try that. Thanks for the advice
[7:16] <GabrialDestruir> It'd be easier to check all the files required to boot are there first.
[7:16] <fuzz1981> does the ACT light blink at all when you power up the pi?
[7:16] <TheTodd__> yeah
[7:17] <fuzz1981> how much does it blink? lol
[7:17] <TheTodd__> but I haven't had a chance to hook it up to a monitor and serial out is flakey at best with Arch -> linux... I need to get Windows 7 back on this laptop
[7:17] <GabrialDestruir> Virtualbox
[7:17] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[7:17] <TheTodd__> it's not slow... it's a fast irregular blinking, but then it stops
[7:17] <fuzz1981> if it's blinking it's likely loaded or loaded the kernel
[7:18] <fuzz1981> serial should work fine with linux
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[7:19] <TheTodd__> it "should" work fine, but my experience is it's pretty flakey
[7:19] <fuzz1981> what are you using for a terminal?
[7:19] <TheTodd__> Arch will sometimes show all the boot messages, but then won't let me log in
[7:20] <GabrialDestruir> My sound should have worked fine with Ubuntu on my laptop, but they changed something in 12.10 and it's broke. So "fine" usually means broken xD
[7:20] <fuzz1981> heh serial is usually something that works pretty stellar :)
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[7:20] <fuzz1981> junk laptop audio is a different story :)
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[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> It bugs me that it worked fine in 12.04 but not in 12.10, wasn't just the install either, tried a Live CD and had the same issues.
[7:22] <fuzz1981> fix it :)
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> I did... went with Windows 8
[7:22] <TheTodd__> sorry for the delay, I'm using minicom
[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[7:23] <fuzz1981> TheTodd__: try using screen .. screen /dev/ttyS0 115200
[7:23] <TheTodd__> really? I can use screen like that? cool. I'll give that a try tomorrow
[7:23] <fuzz1981> yep
[7:24] <fuzz1981> best way to pull up a serial terminal :) minicom is modem oriented .. control lines, hw/sw flow control etc etc
[7:24] <TheTodd__> in my case it'd be /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 right? (I'm using the AdaFruit cable)
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> What's the best way to setup a raspberry pi with a Nexus 7 monitor, VNC?
[7:24] <fuzz1981> yeah /dev/ttyUSB0 for FTDI chips
[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> Or something better?
[7:24] <TheTodd__> thanks, I can't wait to try that. I really like using screen
[7:25] <Ben64> If I use `omxplayer -r`, when the video stops, the screen is blank and I can't see the console anymore. How can I fix that?
[7:26] <axion> type reset
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[7:28] <echelon> GabrialDestruir, Ben64 parts list that i ordered for hooking up the pi to lapdock.. http://dark-code.bulix.org/6viava-82548?raw
[7:28] <Ben64> axion: doesn't work
[7:28] <axion> try: sudo su -c 'clear > /dev/tty1'
[7:29] <echelon> so far i havent yet received the dingleberry pi and microusb split cable
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[7:30] <GabrialDestruir> Awesome :D
[7:31] <Ben64> axion: nada
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[7:31] <GabrialDestruir> Try.... sudo reboot
[7:31] <Ben64> `omxplayer -r` changes the resolution to match the video, but when it goes back to 1080p afterwards, no console
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[7:34] <axion> Ben64: fbset -depth 8 && fbset -depth 16
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[7:35] <Ben64> axion: that did it, thanks!
[7:36] <axion> Ben64: usually one uses a wrapper script with omxplayer to work around this and other problems with omxplayer
[7:36] <axion> debian includes one with their package with this problem fixed
[7:37] <Ben64> I'm using debain : /
[7:37] <Ben64> what other problems does omxplayer have?
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[7:39] <GabrialDestruir> Got a detachable antenna but no dualband.... I guess that's a fair trade off
[7:39] <echelon> GabrialDestruir: from the looks of the picture one end is for charging, the other is for data.. http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_107901_1.jpg http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_107901_3.jpg
[7:40] <axion> Ben64: if you play a video that is of a different aspect than your display device, you will see the console behind the video
[7:40] <GabrialDestruir> Oh that's just beautiful.
[7:41] <GabrialDestruir> The perfect cord :D
[7:41] <axion> the blinking cursor alone will drive you nuts. i would do something like this to fix it:
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[7:41] <axion> sudo su -c 'clear > /dev/tty1'
[7:41] <axion> sudo su -c 'setterm -cursor off > /dev/tty1'
[7:42] <axion> omxplayer
[7:42] <axion> sudo su -c 'setterm -cursor on > /dev/tty1'
[7:42] <GabrialDestruir> I need to get a linux VM on my laptop, and a ssh tunnel on my tablet
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[7:52] <mgarces> hi guys and gals
[7:52] <jvilla> hello
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[9:53] <dero> hi, anyone tried devmapper on the Pi yet?
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[10:06] <v0lZy> Hi
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:06] <v0lZy> I just got my raspberry pi... I ordered a 512mb version but in htop i see only 183
[10:07] <v0lZy> Is the memory split for the gpu?
[10:07] <dero> some of the 512MB are eaten by the GPU
[10:07] <Draylor> memory split, and running the wrong firmware for hte 512mb version
[10:07] <v0lZy> ah, ok
[10:07] <v0lZy> need to resolve that then
[10:07] <dero> /boot/config.txt
[10:07] <v0lZy> More questions... X and anything other than fbdev?
[10:08] <v0lZy> (fbdev looks 256bit or something....)
[10:08] <axion> v0lZy: lol
[10:08] <v0lZy> hi axion
[10:08] <dero> 256bit is very deep deep color
[10:08] <axion> stalker
[10:08] <v0lZy> er, not bit... just 256 ish.
[10:08] <v0lZy> or was that 8 bit thing...
[10:08] <dero> 8 bitty
[10:08] <v0lZy> was thinking of oold windows 95 settings
[10:09] <v0lZy> axion: uhuh, thats you! :D
[10:09] <dero> yes, the default lxde settings look like 90s
[10:09] <axion> hehe
[10:09] <v0lZy> axion: we have lots in common apparently, hehe
[10:09] <v0lZy> was using i3
[10:10] <axion> yeah hehe
[10:10] <v0lZy> fbdev is the right driver at the moment right?
[10:10] <axion> i'll be surprised when you show up in #lisp
[10:11] <v0lZy> ah .D
[10:11] <v0lZy> some day maybe :D
[10:12] <axion> haha
[10:13] <v0lZy> axion: so whats your rpi doing?
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[10:15] <dero> did aynone use dev mapper?
[10:15] <axion> ssh tunnel, thin client, lisp image, video player
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[10:16] <axion> and nas
[10:16] <v0lZy> mines gonna be an STB.
[10:17] <v0lZy> if i can get more colors in i3 that is :D
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> it's a 16bpp framebuffer.
[10:18] <v0lZy> the image is very sharp but the colors are khm-khm
[10:18] <v0lZy> very basic.
[10:19] <Jck_true> I've been tasked running work experience for a 14 year old kid tomorrow.. What the hell do I show him on the Pi :/
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> the command-line.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> show him the power of feeding the output of one command into another.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> ls | sort
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> then show him how software has become bloated by including every program inside every other one )-:
[10:20] <v0lZy> :D
[10:21] <v0lZy> I think switching a led on or off via the command line is interesting
[10:21] <v0lZy> imagine u replace it with whatever
[10:21] <v0lZy> then u can ssh in from like anywhere
[10:21] <v0lZy> and turn the light on and off
[10:22] <v0lZy> and explain that instead of the light, it could be opening doors or whatever
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> you can use the on-board status LED there.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> although you need a 'magic' command to stop the OS using it.
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[10:22] <gordonDrogon> then you can use the gpio command from wiringPi to turn it off & on...
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> just remember it's connected to the 3.3v line, so it's effect is reveresed.
[10:23] <v0lZy> axion: u run arch on your rpi?
[10:23] <axion> of course
[10:24] <v0lZy> i plan to do the same
[10:24] <v0lZy> your colordepth ok?
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[10:25] <axion> yes but i dont use Xorg
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=15605&p=162581&hilit=okLed#p162581
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> axion, are you using a GUI at all?
[10:27] <axion> well i use xbmc, if that counts as a gui, but i assume you mean windows environment...so no
[10:27] <axion> windowing*
[10:28] <axion> i use my pi via cli over ssh exclusively
[10:28] <axion> and a tmux session
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[10:29] <v0lZy> gordonDrogon: any settings that could get me more in depth color? if lxde can show proper color, im puzzled as to i3 doesnt.
[10:30] <v0lZy> why*
[10:30] <v0lZy> more color depth.. geez
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> or even colour ;-)
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> it ought to be 16bpp by default.
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> check /boot/config.txt
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> There is a framebuffer_depth parameter.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> see http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[10:35] <v0lZy> any eta on X and harware acceleration working nicely together'
[10:35] <axion> prob a long time
[10:35] <axion> if ever
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[10:37] <v0lZy> shux.
[10:37] <axion> if you need X on a pi...ydiw
[10:37] <v0lZy> ydiw?
[10:37] <v0lZy> youre doing it wrong?
[10:38] <axion> yes
[10:39] <v0lZy> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/98/is-there-a-gpu-accelerated-xorg-server humzi humz humz
[10:39] <v0lZy> depends on the use now dont it? :D
[10:40] <axion> even as a thin client it is not going to work very well
[10:41] <dero> guys: echo "0 `blockdev --getsize /dev/mmcblk0p1` delay /dev/mmcblk0p1 0 10" | dmsetup create delayed
[10:42] <dero> how can I execute this before mounting rootfs?
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[10:44] <axion> especially for a STB...X is pointless
[10:44] <v0lZy> axion: im trying to get i3 working on it decently enough to watch a vid with vlc
[10:44] <axion> sigh
[10:44] <axion> vlc?
[10:44] <axion> has no hardware acceleration
[10:44] <v0lZy> axion: yes, VLC, and i need i3 specifically.
[10:44] <axion> video would be decoded in software slowly
[10:45] <axion> you need a video player using openmax
[10:45] <v0lZy> VLC has an option to enable gpu acceleration...
[10:46] <cdan> can somewone help me a little bit with digging into the i2c kernel driver source code ?
[10:46] <axion> "VLC doesn't use the hardware to decode anything, so unless you can convince the VLC devs to add hardware decoding for the pi you're probably not going to get very far"
[10:46] <axion> search the forums
[10:46] <axion> next time
[10:49] <v0lZy> axion: hm, but there is an option to do it
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[10:49] <axion> sure there is, but does vlc ship with a broadcom driver for this chip?
[10:49] <axion> mplayer does as well, but that doesnt mean it works on this hardware
[10:49] <v0lZy> it does gpu decoding apparently
[10:50] <axion> which gpu's decoding?
[10:50] <v0lZy> http://wiki.videolan.org/VLC_GPU_Decoding
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[10:51] <v0lZy> but yeah, apparently a bit flimsy
[10:51] <axion> sigh
[10:51] <axion> well you are not going to get acceptable video performance inside X, only on the raw framebuffer with correct software
[10:51] <v0lZy> u mentioned XBMC, thats a self standing thing right, without X
[10:53] <v0lZy> also if they patch X to be hardware accelerated... wouldnt that change thigns?
[10:53] <axion> xbmc and omxplayer are the only ones that i know of that access the pi's gpu
[10:53] <axion> they do not need x to run graphics
[10:53] <axion> omxplayer is the video player contained in xbmc, cleaned up a bit for use on the pi
[10:54] <_av500_> v0lZy: havinbg accelerated X does not help you with actual video decoding
[10:54] <axion> no it wouldnt
[10:54] <_av500_> writing BCM video support into VLC is doable
[10:55] <_av500_> somebody just needs to write it
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[10:55] <_av500_> and VLC does OMX already, so if you have it voia OMX, just need to glue it together
[10:55] <the_eye> (or into mplayer, if they want to make me happy)
[10:55] <_av500_> or that
[10:56] <axion> vlc does have an omax backend, but according to them, the rpi does not follow the api and is not compatible with their implementation
[10:56] <_av500_> or peel away the OMX layer since it just crap and write libBCM or whatever directly into VLC
[10:56] <_av500_> totally doable
[10:56] <_av500_> axion: OMX is shit on any platform
[10:57] <linuxstb> _av500_: What do you mean by "peel away the OMX layer" ?
[10:57] <_av500_> ah no
[10:58] <_av500_> is it that the binary API is omx?
[10:58] <_av500_> for the BCM?
[10:58] <_av500_> then not of course
[10:58] <v0lZy> xbmc.. omx player ... without X... thats the thing... it will only show 1 video stream at a time
[10:59] <v0lZy> i need more :|
[10:59] <_av500_> and you have 2 eyes
[10:59] <v0lZy> well, 2 eyes is ok, its just that say u want to view two webcams
[10:59] <linuxstb> v0lZy: You can run two instances of omxplayer IIUC. But I think you would need to hack the source code to get it to display each in part of the screen.
[11:00] <v0lZy> IIUC?
[11:00] <_av500_> "hack the source code" :)
[11:00] <linuxstb> if I understand correctly
[11:00] <_av500_> use a hacking tools like vi
[11:00] <v0lZy> linuxstb: that would probably be a difficult thing. alls orts of aspect ratios etc come into play
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[11:02] <linuxstb> _av500_: ? "hack" in this context just means change in a small way.
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[11:03] <v0lZy> would be a big change if u take all aspect ratios and sound ouptut etc into play
[11:03] <linuxstb> v0lZy: I guess what you want is to be able to specify the output window on the command-line. So it's up to you to get the aspect ratio right.
[11:03] <v0lZy> what i want is vlc and a tiling window manager basically
[11:04] <axion> and the rpi was your choice?
[11:04] <v0lZy> i have that working on x86 architecture, but obviously bringing that to RPI...
[11:04] <v0lZy> axion: i bought it to do stuff with it, this is just one of the thigns id like to try with it
[11:04] <axion> you can stop trying now
[11:05] <_av500_> :)
[11:07] <v0lZy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZMHviHN07o
[11:07] <v0lZy> LXDE and vlc running nasa tv...
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[11:07] <dero> did anyone try initramfs with the pi?
[11:08] <v0lZy> May 23rd... so the 256mb version.
[11:08] <RaTTuS> ^ that is old the nasa thing - and you dont need x running anymore ....
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[11:09] <v0lZy> thing is id like X
[11:10] <v0lZy> or something that allows me to open more than 1 window at a time.
[11:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> screen
[11:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> alt f1-f5
[11:10] <v0lZy> for command line :D
[11:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[11:10] <axion> i use tmux for that
[11:10] <v0lZy> i need things like browser + vlc
[11:11] <v0lZy> and no, dont give me a text only solution :D
[11:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> riscos
[11:11] <v0lZy> but i figure, if its possible to run vlc and a nasa stream back in May, why not now?
[11:11] <axion> nasa tv does not broadcast in a supported format. it's SD being software decoded by the arm, not the gpu.
[11:13] <v0lZy> ok... but it apparently works ok
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[11:13] <v0lZy> i wodner if the latest rpi with 512mb can do that for two VLC sessions
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[11:14] <axion> nothing is stopping you from using the arm for video. just do not expect it to be smooth fullscreen, or smooth at all with a decent bitrate...also expect audio crackles
[11:15] <axion> i would bet his was overclocked some if not faked just for that crappy small windowed video
[11:16] <_av500_> a dual QCIF stream should be doable
[11:16] <_av500_> with 8bit mono sound
[11:16] <axion> lol
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[11:20] <axion> v0lZy: no the ram is not the bottleneck at all. the cpu is working overtime just to display that tiny window
[11:21] <v0lZy> because it cant offload it to VLC, yeah, i understand
[11:21] <axion> huh?
[11:21] <v0lZy> erm
[11:21] <v0lZy> offlaod it to the GPU, sorry
[11:22] <petern_> My A7000+ can play video!
[11:22] <petern_> Admittedly you wouldn't want to watch it.
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[11:23] <exobuzz> greetings
[11:25] <v0lZy> i guess XBMC is what ill use then
[11:25] <v0lZy> axion: can xbmc do multicast video streams?
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[11:25] <v0lZy> from an m3u playlist lets say
[11:27] <axion> #xbmc
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[11:31] <v0lZy> ull accuse me of stalkage then :D
[11:32] <axion> i am not there
[11:32] <axion> i use omxplayer
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[11:34] <axion> night
[11:34] <v0lZy> night axion , thanks
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[12:06] <DarkTherapy> hey
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[12:06] <DarkTherapy> morning all
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> under an hour left of morning here ...
[12:07] <DarkTherapy> same up here
[12:07] <DarkTherapy> ;0)
[12:08] <dero> already noon here
[12:08] <DarkTherapy> has anyone got any experience with siriproxy? either on the pi or not
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[12:27] <Jck_true> DarkTherapy: Oh damm! that looks hawt :) thanks for sharing
[12:27] <DarkTherapy> hmm
[12:27] <DarkTherapy> what?
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[12:33] <Jck_true> DarkTherapy: SiriProxy
[12:34] <DarkTherapy> yeah, I've got it working in pi - virtualbox, but I eventually want it to interact with the gpios
[12:34] <DarkTherapy> to open my automatic garage door
[12:34] <Jck_true> Shouldn't really be a problem
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> ?
[12:34] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Tapping into Siri on the iPhone :)
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> As in: "Open the garage bay doos, Siri" ..
[12:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2603
[12:35] <Jck_true> Sesam Sesam Open
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> Open sezme..
[12:35] <Jck_true> Oh right it's sezme you say
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> RaTTuS|BIG, yea, I've actually been watching some minecraft tutorial videos for 'entertainment' recently... it's slowly sucking me in ...
[12:36] <Jck_true> There's something crazy funny about building your own giant fort
[12:38] <cerjam> oh no
[12:38] <cerjam> not minecraft
[12:38] <cerjam> it will RUIN YOUR LIFE.
[12:38] <Jck_true> Atleast we can answer all the "DOEES THE PI RUN MINECRAFT?!?!?"
[12:39] <cerjam> so many days..lost..
[12:39] <cerjam> and so many different maps.
[12:39] <Jck_true> And all the kids annoucning how they are "starting a project to port minecraft to the the raspberry"
[12:39] <Jck_true> Roadmap 1) Install an OS 2) Be confused they can't install Java... 3) give up
[12:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[12:40] <petern_> Minecraft is slow enough on my quad core desktop PC...
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I'll carry on playing snake in basic ..
[12:41] <cerjam> petern_, really? my 9500gt + 2500k plays it pretty well
[12:41] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I implemented 2 versions of snake in TI-Basic on my TI-83Plus calculator... One version ran so slowly it didn't make sense to play... - And another version that would simple crash when your memory ran out
[12:42] <Draylor> heh, did you never do a 3rd version that worked?
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb ;-)
[12:42] <DarkTherapy> is it easy to launch system/bash commands from within a ruby script?
[12:42] <exobuzz> http://rubyquicktips.com/post/5862861056/execute-shell-commands ?
[12:42] <Jck_true> DarkTherapy: Yeah - It's like every other scripting languages.. It's a bit hairy if you wanna get the STDIN/STDOUT stuff but it works :)
[12:43] <DarkTherapy> thanks
[12:43] <DarkTherapy> what about using the GPIO from ruby?
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[12:44] <Jck_true> DarkTherapy: There's a gem for that
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> uses wiringPi.
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> cool
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> ah
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> or at least one of them does.
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> nice
[12:44] <exobuzz> http://search.cpan.org/~toddr/IPC-Run-0.92/lib/IPC/Run.pm is a great piece of sticky tape for working with system tools and perl.
[12:44] <exobuzz> not much help for ruby but..
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> it all helps
[12:45] <exobuzz> i use it for a music streaming web interface that needs to call some commandline players, encode and stream etc. plus I like using Perl .. (no really!)
[12:45] <Jck_true> https://github.com/klappy/gpio
[12:45] <Jck_true> "a ruby gem and repository to contribute gpio code for devices such as Raspberry Pi to read sensors and control outputs."
[12:45] <DarkTherapy> thanks Jck_true
[12:47] <Jck_true> DarkTherapy: Actually - That code looks a bit fishy...
[12:47] <DarkTherapy> right
[12:47] <Jck_true> Okay - nevermind - It uses the linux file handles...
[12:47] <Jck_true> I suppose thats okay :)
[12:48] <v0lZy> whats the state of asterisk on the new pi
[12:48] <DarkTherapy> if need be, I'll just call a sh script to do what I want
[12:48] <v0lZy> with more ram etc
[12:48] <DarkTherapy> only needs to turn a relay on/off
[12:48] <v0lZy> bottleneck cpu or ram for say... 10 concurrent calls.
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> v0lZy, asterisk is just another Linux program. it works fine.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> v0lZy, the biggest issue is the USB - it's sub-optimal at handling media streamins like phone calls.
[12:58] <v0lZy> cause the eth port on lan is attached to usb?
[12:59] <v0lZy> halfduplex?
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> v0lZy, anyway, you should re-invite the media so the media doesn't go through the PC running asterisk...
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[12:59] <gordonDrogon> v0lZy, yes - eth on the Pi is USB and USb is half duplex.
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[13:00] <exobuzz> i benchmarked my pi ethernet with netcat and I think it maxed out at around 7megabytes/second ish. which is quite ok for a lot of stuff
[13:00] <v0lZy> what about using a smartswitch infront of it
[13:00] <v0lZy> to do some link aggregation
[13:01] <v0lZy> and using another usb card
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[13:01] <v0lZy> then using one card for tx and one for rx if thats possible
[13:01] <v0lZy> would be like full duplex...
[13:01] <v0lZy> expensive to get a managed switch though .|
[13:01] <v0lZy> exobuzz: that was on fullduplex?
[13:02] <petern_> how would using 2 usb devices affect duplex?
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> exobuzz, it's not speed that's important - it's packets per second - a single voIP channel is 50 in and 50 out - at the same time
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> v0lZy, there is only ONE USB on the Pi.
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> there is no way to add a second US bus to the Pi.
[13:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ and it does the NIC also
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> yup - so adding a 2nd NIC just makes things worse.
[13:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> unless you come up with a GPIO version
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> the GPIO isn't fast enough.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> and it's just the wrong architecture for a device like Ethernet.
[13:04] <v0lZy> so basically how much concurrent calls could it handle on asterisk?
[13:04] <petern_> and audio, but lots of people use usb for audio too.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> v0lZy, it depends. Go look in the asterisk forums, etc. no-one will tell you anything.
[13:04] <petern_> depends on the calls, if it needs to transcode, etc...
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> v0lZy, I personally benchmarked the asterisk boxes I was selling, so I knew exactly what they were capable off - but no-one will give you a generic answer.
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> petern_, Haha.. Transcode on a Pi... Haha... (lol) good one!
[13:05] <petern_> exactly :)
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> however, I did get 6 concurrent g711 to g729 transcodes going OK on a 500MHz AMD Geode board, so 1 or 2 on the Pi might work.
[13:06] <exobuzz> pi can probably transcode some amiga cdxl movies to mpeg1 in realtime ;-)
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> of you could elver the gpu to do the transcoding then it would be good but ...
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> *lever
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> at the end of the day, it's that 100 packets/second per call that I fear will be the bottleneck.
[13:07] <v0lZy> i see.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> someone on the forums (a UK based ITSP) was giving away a ready made asterisk solution for the Pi - along with a subscription to his service, but I don't know what happened to that.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> If you can do it without handling media then iy might be 1000's.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> of concurrent calls.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> well - maybe one thousand...
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> but as soon as you handle the media.........
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> the geodes I was selling could handle 80 concurrent calls with full media handling.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> however above that, they degrade very non-linearly. so 80 calls - 10% cpu, 81 calls, 20%cpu. 82 calls > 50% cpu, 83 calls -> 100% cpu and packet loss.
[13:10] <Davespice> Hey folks, those of you who're interested in Oolite, I have posted my latest findings here; http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23423
[13:10] <exobuzz> if you have a free year or so you could always hand optimise some of the codecs with some asm!
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> exobuzz, or you could just not transcode.
[13:11] <exobuzz> spending a year coding arm assembler sounds like more fun though right
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> exobuzz, My servers are handling 1000's of calls a day without transcoding. it's a real last resort.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> exobuzz, why do you think you need to transcode?
[13:12] <exobuzz> i don't . i was just being funny
[13:12] <exobuzz> ive not installed asterisk. so i have no idea
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[13:12] <gazzwi86> I'm having real trouble with sockets and transmitting a basic string. My client script won't connect: Connection refused: https://gist.github.com/4153920
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[13:14] * exobuzz can't wait for the Picade.
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[13:15] <gordonDrogon> exobuzz, people transcode to save bandwidth for the most part.
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> exobuzz, and most of the codecs are pretty well understood and already written in assembler anyway - especially for the x86 type processors. And even then they're still a significant impact on the CPU.
[13:16] <exobuzz> k
[13:17] <exobuzz> probably less arm optimisations. if things like ffmpeg are anything to go by, although improving all the time what with more and more capable arm devices around
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> exobuzz, you have 1/50th of a second to take the incoming packet and uncompress it, and take the outgoing packet and compress it.... repeat for the duration of the call
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> and if you can do that in 1/100th of a second, then you can transcode 2 calls! (ish)
[13:20] <exobuzz> i see
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[13:26] <booyaa> hihi
[13:28] <v0lZy> anyone got any cool rpi projects they are doing?
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> plenty :)
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[13:29] <chris_99> i might use mine in combination with a PIC chip to give network access to a digital hydrometer i'm trying to make for brewing
[13:30] <Armand> O_O
[13:30] <Martin[2]> :O
[13:30] <Armand> brewing.. damn.. I hope my brother and step-dad having drunk all that beer yet!
[13:30] <Martin[2]> Hi
[13:31] <Armand> Hello, Martin[2]
[13:31] <chris_99> haha Armand
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[13:31] <Armand> They are mad-keen on homebrew beer. :D
[13:32] <Armand> Sorry, *having = haven't
[13:32] <Armand> Me r bad-typings
[13:32] <booyaa> i've been using mine to locate crime hotspots in my town
[13:33] <booyaa> then i go out with my trust side kick and fight crime
[13:33] <booyaa> +y
[13:33] <Armand> Booyaa-Boy!
[13:33] <booyaa> lolo Armand
[13:33] <Armand> ^_^
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[13:33] <Martin[2]> ( '_')
[13:33] <Armand> I hope the costume came with a free buspass. :P
[13:34] <booyaa> heh i've been refused entry on a few buses
[13:34] <booyaa> you'd think they'd want the "hoxton hoodie" protecting their buses
[13:34] <booyaa> oh well
[13:34] <Armand> Dressing as wolverbatsupericeman will do that..
[13:34] <booyaa> any enough offtopic
[13:35] <Armand> ^_^
[13:35] <Armand> Back to beer ?
[13:35] <Martin[2]> Lager!
[13:35] <booyaa> my current project is getting asterisk to filter out nuisance calls... just need to man up and start learning how to setup asterisk
[13:35] <booyaa> yes back to beer
[13:36] <Armand> chris_99, have you figured out how to connect it all yet?
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[13:36] <Martin[2]> GPIO ;_; I can do so much with it I don't know where to start
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[13:38] <Armand> My only concern for the GPIO is powering the unit from my solar plant.
[13:39] <v0lZy> asterisk isnt difficult to setup
[13:39] <v0lZy> at least not for voip
[13:39] <v0lZy> if u want i can give u some config files.
[13:39] <Martin[2]> Armand, voltage regulator?
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[13:39] <v0lZy> u run around fighting crime btw?
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[13:40] <Armand> I'm using a 12v charge regulator to power 5v regulators, Martin[2]
[13:40] <booyaa> v0lZy: i'm hoping to do some testing using one of the free voip providers before i buy a pots2sip adapter
[13:40] <booyaa> v0lZy: if you code doesn't require freepbx and will run on a vanilla asterisk then yes please
[13:41] <Martin[2]> Armand, ahh I see :D
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> I might open source my PBX front end software for asterisk.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> something I've been toying with for a while, but the biggest issue would be support and the actual install in the first place.
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> hard when there are nerdvittles, etc. doing it all with freepbx though.
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[13:42] <Martin[2]> Armand, i've always done stuff for the PSP, so naturally I hacked up a PSPGo charger to power my Pi, and a spare HTC charging lead :p 1A 5V :D
[13:42] <Armand> Martin[2], I have used a single (variable) regulator to supply 5v to some salvaged USB ports.
[13:43] <Armand> Nice.. I use an Apple charger myself, as it's all I have. :P
[13:43] <Armand> I can't run the solar permanently yet.
[13:43] <Martin[2]> I just used what I had lying around too xD
[13:44] <Martin[2]> Armand, but it will never be permanent, what will you do when it gets dark outside?
[13:44] <Martin[2]> ;D
[13:44] <Armand> 28Ah of deep-cycle batteries.
[13:44] <Martin[2]> :O 28!?
[13:44] <Armand> :D
[13:45] <Armand> 4x 7Ah @ 12v.
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[13:45] <Armand> 10KG of plastic, metal and acid. :P
[13:46] <Armand> Sounds like a party in the '70s. O_o
[13:46] <Martin[2]> looooool
[13:46] <Martin[2]> I wouldn't know
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[13:46] <Armand> Neither would I, I'm only 34... lol
[13:48] <Armand> brb.. sorting out food for later.
[13:48] <Martin[2]> I think, before I do anything srs, I'll make a nice case for my pi 8)
[13:48] <Squirm> srs?
[13:49] <Martin[2]> serious*
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[13:51] <chris_99> i'm using USB Armand on the PIC
[13:51] <chris_99> so i can connect it pretty easily
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[13:51] <Martin[2]> Don't panic, Squirm! :P
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[13:59] <mika_video> One question: The Model B Rev 2 with 512 M of RAM has two mounting holes, 2.9 mm each. Is the "do not drill larger" advice valid even if I only would like to re-drill it with a 3 mm drill - then I could use standard M3 screws to mount it - finding 2.5 mm screws is extremely difficult and probably 2.5 mm screws may cost big amounts of money because the sellers knows that nobody else is selling them !
[14:01] <dero> mounting holes?
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[14:01] <Jck_true> mika_video: I may be wrong on the mechanic parts.. But in order to fit a 3mm screw in the hole doesn't the hole have to be alot larger than 3mm?
[14:01] <_av500_> 2.5mm screws are not that hard to find
[14:01] <Martin[2]> you can't find M2.5 screws? You're not looking hard enough lol
[14:01] <_av500_> Jck_true: no
[14:02] <Jck_true> hmm 100 pcs for M2.5 for 7USD... first result on google
[14:02] <Jck_true> And considering you can only use 2 for each raspberry...
[14:03] <_av500_> sell the rest for 6.5
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[14:06] <mika_video> Well, if you order screws from a webshop where you do not want to buy anything else, add 20 eur for shipping and handling fees !
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[14:06] <mika_video> No webshop that I would anyway order something else is able to sell 2.5 mm screws
[14:06] <Martin[2]> local hardware store?
[14:06] <_av500_> M2.5, 10mm, 5 pieces, 1??? on ebay
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[14:07] <Jck_true> mika_video: Where you located?
[14:07] <mika_video> Yes - 1 eur for those screws, 10-20 eur for the shipping and handling fees ...
[14:07] <_av500_> also, my local hardware store has 2.5mm
[14:07] <mika_video> Finland
[14:07] <_av500_> mika_video: 5.95
[14:07] <_av500_> in germany
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[14:08] <mika_video> In Finland the smallest size that even specialized screw stores sell is 3 mm
[14:09] <_av500_> Finland is a pure software country now
[14:09] <_av500_> Nokia screwed you out of screws
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[14:09] <_av500_> mika_video: I can mail you 2 screws
[14:10] <_av500_> should have some somewhere
[14:11] <Martin[2]> lol @ nokia screwed you out of screws
[14:13] <gazzwi86> I'm getting an overflow error from pyaudio: [Errno Input overflowed] -9981
[14:14] <Jck_true> I'm pretty sure most phones now a days uses screws smaller than M2.5
[14:14] <Jck_true> mika_video: When you do find it buy a large box with a good selection - Will get you like 1000's screws for a fraction of the cost
[14:17] <mika_video> I just tested - a M3 machine screw fits easily in a 3 mm hole
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[14:24] <Martin[2]> mika_video, as expected then :p
[14:25] <Martin[2]> there are tolerances though
[14:25] <yaMatt> has anyone tried using the RPi with USB 3G dongles?
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[14:30] <Armand> mika_video, the modmypi case comes with screws.
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[14:31] <_av500_> mika_video: m3 is cut from 3mm stock
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[14:32] <mika_video> Well, with cases, the problem is this: all cases that I have seen, are for the raspberry pi only. What if I want to put both the raspberry pi and another circuit board in the same case. Or even a backup power source - such as 4 * AA -size NiMh battery pack ?
[14:32] <n1ko> then you make the case yourself
[14:32] <n1ko> it's kinda hard to make custom cases for somebodys specific need :)
[14:33] <mika_video> enough would be a smart designing of a mass -produced plastic case - where there should be an extra layer on the bottom - so that the mounting screws do not go through the real bottom, but a "semi-bottom" that is on top of that
[14:33] <nid0> this is why lego exists
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[14:34] <_av500_> mika_video: hot glue
[14:35] <_av500_> seriously, what is hard about attaching a tiny PCB to a case?
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[14:39] <mika_video> <yaMatt>: Since it's a linux device, it's actually easy - EXCEPT one big problem: how to set the USB 3G dongle's mode into a communication device - I have no idea how to do that! When powered up, it will represent itself as a CD-ROM drive with a virtual CD inside - it needs a mode switch to switch itself into a "communication device" -mode.
[14:40] <yaMatt> mika_video, that doesn't sound like fun
[14:40] <yaMatt> there does seem to be some guy who did it though http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2012/07/3g-internet-on-raspberry-pi-success/
[14:41] <mika_video> If someone has a "usb spy" device, then just connect the usb 3G stick via a spy device to a windows PC - windows will then do the switching
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[14:44] <mika_video> I am just wondering: why dows the raspberry pi have low-power USB ports? There are 5V, 2A power supplies available by the VANSON trade name - even 5V, 2.1A if you are happy with just one USB port - the 2.0 A model has two of them.
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[14:45] <Armand> mika_video, will the CPU handle a 2A current ?
[14:46] <Armand> Sorry, will *any* component on the board handle 2A ?
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[14:46] <mika_video> <Armand>: what's the problem if the board would just bypass the rest of the 2A to the USB ports ?
[14:47] <Armand> Considering the board is supplied with a 1.1A polyfuse..
[14:47] <mika_video> either the polyfuse should be more - or alternatively the supply to the USB ports should not go through that polyfuse
[14:47] <Armand> Well, that's not the design, is it?
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[14:49] <Armand> You're buying into something with a certain design spec.. you have to work within that, or find a work-around.
[14:50] <mika_video> yes, the http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2012/07/3g-internet-on-raspberry-pi-success/ web page hints that there are USB Y-cables available - just to support extra power to a USB device
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[14:52] <mika_video> About the SW side - if you download the raspbian linux from the official file server - is the kernel supplied already compatible with class 10 SDHC memory cards ?
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[15:15] <LostInInaka> mika_video: I've never had any problems and all I've used is class 10 cards
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[15:17] <Armand> Debian didn't like my class2, but Raspbian is ok.. O_o
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[15:25] <mika_video> Based on various websites: If the kernel is new enough , class 10 SDHC cards should be fine. But with too old kernel, you will have problems with class 10 SDHC cards. But whatabout the bootloader in ROM ? - That needs to understand the card, too ...
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> mika_video, AIUI, the bootloader uses the slowers of the slow mechanism to access the SD card, so it ought to be able to load it's first-stage without any issues.
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> however isn't the transfer limit still 20MB/sec? Is anyone seeing after than that with a class 10?
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> (I know it's not just about xfer rate, however)
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[15:44] <djazz> how can I use qemu to run wine apps? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12727
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> djazz, slowly.
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[15:46] <djazz> it runs slow?
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> qemu emulates processors.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> so if you use that to emulate an x86 processor on a Pi, then it's going to run really slowly.
[15:47] <djazz> how slow?
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> who knows.
[15:48] <PhotoJim> Pentium 1-class slow I predict.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> but if a Pi is approx. the same speed as a 333MHz x86 processor, then I imagine it will barely be DX4-100 speed emulating x86 instructions.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> if you're lucky.
[15:48] <djazz> aha
[15:49] <PhotoJim> so good to emulate a DOS or possibly Windows 3.1 environment.
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[15:49] <PhotoJim> which isn't useless.
[15:50] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: one has to remember that there are a lot of classes of x86 processor. e.g. my 1.6 GHz Core i7 is significantly faster than my 2.4 GHz Core 2 Quad, despite the clock rate difference. and a 333 MHz PII is probably faster than my 500 MHz Geode (which is similar to a Pentium MMX in hardware).
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[15:56] <Yen> Are there people running an RaspberryPi 24/7, what's the lifespan of the device (SD card)? Don't need exact numbers, just an idea how long it will keep running.
[15:56] <nid0> decades
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[15:58] <PhotoJim> Yen: Depends on how much you write to the card.
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[15:58] <PhotoJim> I've got 20-year-old hard disks, so I can't begin to compare SD life to HD. A few months of uptime isn't a test.
[15:59] <ExeciN> If I overclock my rpi from raspi-config will I loose my warranty?
[16:00] <PhotoJim> you won't loose it, but you might lose it :)
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[16:00] <PhotoJim> if you fry it due to overheating, I assume the warranty would be void in the case of overclocking.
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[16:01] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, sure - but at the end of the day it's still going to be slow on the Pi emulating an x86.
[16:01] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: yeah, in general, definitely true.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> ExeciN, you shouldn't lose any warranty if you use the approved 'turbo mode' ...
[16:03] <ExeciN> How do I use the approved turbo mode?
[16:03] <ReggieUK> did you guys see this yet?
[16:03] <ReggieUK> https://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade
[16:05] <Jck_true> ExeciN: If you're on Raspbian just run "raspi-config"
[16:05] <ExeciN> Ah thanks
[16:06] <Jck_true> Yen: Amount of writes + quality of card
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[16:09] <arcanescu> on a desktop PC i have ram: 4111880k the process take 0.2% mem according to Top coupled with another program : running at 0.4% memory. The same programs on pi cause the kernel to crash at random times but not on the pc
[16:09] <arcanescu> would it be right to say this is a RAM issue?
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[16:12] <Jck_true> arcanescu: If my math is correct 0.2% of 4Gb is just ~8mb + 16mb - You can not conclude that it's Ram...
[16:12] <petern_> I don't think that's enough information.
[16:13] <nid0> you dont have the same software running on each anyway so a comparison's largely pointless
[16:14] <Jck_true> arcanescu: And running out of RAM should not cause the kernel to crash - Only the offending program...
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[16:17] <arcanescu> nid0: same software is runniong on both
[16:17] <arcanescu> why is it pointless?
[16:18] <nid0> well unless your desktop is also an arm system and configured exactly the same as a pi, comparisons of memory usage dont mean anything because its not the same software or the same os
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[16:18] <Jck_true> arcanescu: Different CPU - Differnt drivers - Different versions...
[16:19] <arcanescu> well yea thats true, but i meant in terms of the software running
[16:19] <arcanescu> well - user software
[16:19] <nid0> but thats not the same either, one's x86, the other's arm
[16:19] <arcanescu> because the kernel version is also the same
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[16:19] <Jck_true> The kernel in Raspbian is modofied specificly for the hardware
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[16:23] <arcanescu> hmm the intresting thing is even though the program is running on my system it shows state as S in the top command
[16:23] <arcanescu> does that mean anything?
[16:24] <petern_> It means something, but that's normal.
[16:25] <arcanescu> okay im definately looking for out of the ordinary things htere
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[16:50] <Disconnect> anyone have a preferred language/library for basic framebuffer UIs?
[16:51] * Disconnect doesn't want to run X etc etc just to do a time-and-temp display, although eventually it'll also probably need basic touch support
[16:52] <mgottschlag> well, that is probably low level enough then that you will not find anything but C libraries
[16:52] <ExeciN> I need a suggestion for a VNC viewer. I tried using xtightvncviewer but it does not work with a username.
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[16:54] <Disconnect> there used to be a decent tiny UI that I used forever ago to allow triple-booting of an ipaq, but I can't find the announcements. (it couldn't swap kernels - this was before kexec - but everything else worked, and it handled the touchscreen)
[16:55] <ExeciN> I also tried Gtk VNC Viewer. It worked at first but after overclocking my rpi it does not work anymore
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[16:58] <Jck_true> Disconnect: I would love one too :)
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> Disconnect, you can use the SDL librarys on framebuffers
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> however it's very low-level, no 'window', etc. code.
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> basically just plot pixel...
[16:59] <Disconnect> i found references to that menu app but not the app itself :( iirc the entire thing (parse a config file, display 'n+1' buttons - each dist + shell - and read the touchscreen) all fit in under a couple hundred lines..
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[17:00] <Weaselweb> ncurses on a VT?
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[17:00] <Disconnect> no it was gui. vt on ipaq was rotated and terrible.
[17:00] <Disconnect> i want to say it used directfb with a wrapper but..
[17:01] <Disconnect> annoying. it was tiny, it was simple and it worked. which is all i need now :(
[17:01] <Disconnect> hmm. i wonder if i still have an ipaq at home with the app installed :)
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[17:06] <Kilty> afternoon
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[18:31] <Tachyon`> anyone in york, there's a pi related computer club tonight at guppies on nunnery lane, ??2.20 to get in tonight, ??3 usually, bar, pis, rooms, net, 8pm to 11pm
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[18:33] <Jef91> Is there any difference between using the package manager to update an older image of raspbian and installing the latest downloadable image?
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[18:34] <scummos> Jef91: well by installing the old image you lose your whole setup ;p
[18:35] <Jef91> What scummos?
[18:36] <scummos> well if you re-dump the image, you lose all the changes you did to the system
[18:36] <scummos> if you upgrade they're kept
[18:36] <Jef91> I'm aware of that
[18:36] <Jef91> I'm asking if there are any differences though
[18:36] <Jef91> between upgrading the older image
[18:36] <Jef91> and installing a fresh one - do I miss any changes/updates?
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[18:39] <scummos> if you do the upgrade correctly, no
[18:40] <Jef91> scummos: And that means?... "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" should do it right?
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[18:41] <Kilty> sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:41] <Jef91> Kilty: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade covers the same thing as upgrade
[18:42] <Kilty> Ohh right
[18:42] * Kilty thought that was only when you were going to update to a newer version of a disto
[18:42] <Kilty> :)
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[18:43] <Jef91> Yea - it is a very poorly named command Kilty
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[18:45] <Kilty> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/whats-the-difference-between-apt-get-upgrade-and-apt-get-dist-upgrade-165998/
[18:45] <Kilty> seems to explain it in greater depth
[18:45] <Kilty> dinner
[18:45] <Kilty> back in a bit
[18:46] <tanuva> someone mentioned here that the pi is a little kinky about it's input voltage. Do I need to take special care when choosing a power supply (except for the 750 mA it needs)?
[18:48] <Martin[2]> needs to be very close to 5V iirc O_o
[18:48] <Kilty> From what I've read, as long as you get a decent power supply you should be ok
[18:48] <Kilty> yep Martin[2] :-)
[18:48] <Martin[2]> I'm using a PSP Go charger :) it's a good steady 5V and provides up to 1A
[18:49] <Martin[2]> I'd imagine that using less voltage would make the system unstable and any higher than 5 will fry stuff.
[18:49] <Kilty> Yeppers
[18:49] <Martin[2]> 8)
[18:50] <Kilty> I've also heard that you can get problems with peripherals, if you use a power supply that doesn't supply 750mA or more
[18:50] <Kilty> Keyboard, mice etc :-)
[18:50] <Kilty> which would be a bit of a bind I would imagine
[18:51] <bparker> anyone know of a motion sensor that I could use with my pi, that is able to detect people inside of a pool?
[18:51] <bparker> I'm worried about things like reflections from the water, and the distance etc.
[18:51] <bparker> also the pool cleaner robot should not be detected as a person
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[18:54] <Kilty> bparker, never really looked into it to be honest
[18:54] <booyaa> bparker wouldn't be it easier to use computervision to detect people?
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> Ooh. Thats what a I call a crash. I have a program that can stop a Pi and turn off the Ethernet LEDs. Bother.
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[19:18] <fubbi> Can I haz colors? Raspbian black/white on TV via RCA cable o_O https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8uhuJECQAABO9Y.jpg
[19:19] <phire> wrong color mode
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[19:21] <phire> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Composite_displays_only_black_and_white_image
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[19:24] <Doobie-420> so i have several raspberrypi being delivered in two days. what do I need to know to get debian working?
[19:24] <bonks> I have a portable usb charger which can source from AA, 9V, wall outlet, and a car. If it says max output 1000mA and I can max that out with the right source, is that sufficient to power a raspberry pi
[19:25] <scummos> yes if you don't add too many high-power usb devices
[19:25] <Jef91> Doobie-420: how to dd a .img file to a SD card
[19:25] <Doobie-420> ok, i can do that, sweet!
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> fubbi, I haz colour - all 2 of them - black and green ... http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[19:26] <bonks> scummos: Cool, I'm gonna try it :D
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[19:32] <fubbi> phire: thx
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[20:18] <du> Doobie-420, so do i :D
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[20:19] * rikkib is sad. I accidentally squashed the largest skink I have seen for a long time. There must be 100's on my section. Last week a uncovered 9 while cleaning up a rough bit. http://www.nhc.net.nz/index/lizards-new-zealand/copper-skink/copper-skink.htm
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[20:24] <rikkib> Hobbit day
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[20:26] <du> does the rpi have a wireless network adapter? no right? i need my usb network adapter
[20:28] <Martin[2]> du ya you need an adapter
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[20:39] <Martin[2]> ugh I think I'm being a n00b here, but I've got me pi plugged in using the yellow RCA. now, the problem I have is overscan.
[20:39] <Martin[2]> how do I fix this? xD
[20:39] <dero> my MK808 is on the way!
[20:40] <dero> "hi dear. thanks for ur email. we have shipped ur items . sorry for ur waiting."
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[20:41] <axion> nice its a good device
[20:41] <fubbi> Martin[2]: Martin[2]: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_ConfigurationFile
[20:41] <echelon> i just got my second motorola lapdock
[20:41] <axion> though it needs the rockchip kernel
[20:42] <echelon> still waiting on that darn micro usb split cable
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[20:42] <Martin[2]> fubbi, yes I found it, config wasn't where I thought it would be
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[20:42] <Martin[2]> I was going to the wrong file location lol
[20:42] <Martin[2]> :D
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[20:53] <mrmoney2012> any cron experts on what does this say 00 07-22 * * * aplay foo.wav
[20:53] <PhotoJim> plays foo.wav on the hour every hour from 0700 to 2200
[20:53] <mrmoney2012> to my mind it says play foo.wav every hour from 7am to 10pm - so how come it fired at 6am this morning ?
[20:54] <mrmoney2012> PhotoJim: thanks - thought so - it fired at 6am and that is bamboozling me
[20:54] <PhotoJim> is your clock right?
[20:54] <PhotoJim> if it's on daylight time, e.g., it might not be.
[20:54] <PhotoJim> (assuming you're northern hemisphere :) )
[20:54] <mrmoney2012> that's what i figured - something like that - but it's right i think???. see here??? date gives??? Tue 27 Nov 19:54:42 GMT 2012
[20:55] <mrmoney2012> which is right - it's 19:54
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[20:55] <PhotoJim> that sounds right since we're UTC-6 and it's 13:55 here
[20:55] <mrmoney2012> most odd
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[20:55] <mrmoney2012> maybe it will be ok tomorrow morning - will have to see
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[20:56] <mrmoney2012> etc/timezone is Europe/London
[20:56] <PhotoJim> and I assume you're no longer on summer time?
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[20:57] <PhotoJim> as long as you're actually in GMT (e.g. UK), it should be good as you have it.
[20:57] <axion> you mean /etc/localtime?
[20:57] <mrmoney2012> errr - winter time here. yes in UK.
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[20:58] <mrmoney2012> etc/localtime: symbolic link to `/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London'
[20:59] <Martin[2]> bah!
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[21:02] <bonks> iwlist power showsmy wlan0 as current mode off, how do i switch it on?
[21:02] <Jef91> OK so I just finished the dist-upgrade on my raspbian system and rebooted - now about 1/4 of my desktop is not visible off the right side of my TV and around 1/4 of the left side is blank. Like the whole image is too far to the right. Any ideas how to resolve this?
[21:02] <fubbi> bonks: ifconfig wlan0 up
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[21:03] <du> anyone else cringe a little when they articulate the name rpi as Raspberry Pi?
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> no
[21:04] <bonks> fubbi: there might be a higher issue because i just did that and it still shows off and the leds arent blinking
[21:04] <fubbi> du: #rpi = twitter hashtag
[21:05] <fubbi> bonks: sorry dunno then
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[21:08] <bonks> is it normal that iwlist wlan0 shows current mode off and iwlist wlan0 retry shows on?
[21:08] <bonks> power* for the first one
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[21:44] <diegoviola> hi
[21:44] <diegoviola> where can i buy raspberrypi boards?
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[21:45] <axion> from the links under "where to buy"
[21:46] <Martin[2]> +1 :p
[21:46] <plugwash> Unfortunately I don't know what if any suppliers are a good option for paraguay....
[21:47] <diegoviola> ty
[21:47] <diegoviola> plugwash: ok
[21:47] <scummos> don't buy from rs
[21:47] <diegoviola> ok
[21:48] <scummos> they're known to need many months to ship it
[21:48] <Martin[2]> I ordered from RS. take bloody ages!
[21:48] <Martin[2]> and I'm in the UK
[21:48] <axion> from e14 to usa took a week for me
[21:49] <bertrik> I ordered from Farnell back in july, took about 10 days
[21:49] <Martin[2]> they sit and sit and sit. late to dispatch
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[21:50] <scummos> farnell took about 3 weeks to ship me
[21:50] <scummos> *mine
[21:50] <scummos> that's... okay
[21:50] <bonks> Element13 took 3 weeks for me (USA)
[21:50] <scummos> it's still weird but yeah
[21:50] <bonks> Element14 even
[21:50] <scummos> ;P
[21:50] <Weaselweb> i got mine yesterday from RS, ordered in June or so
[21:51] <scummos> lol
[21:51] <bonks> Yeah my RS one was ordered in june and received last week
[21:51] <Weaselweb> at least its the 512MB variant \o/
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[21:51] <Martin[2]> bonks, so was mine! bunch of RSholes ;D u c wut I did thar
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[21:52] <Weaselweb> the only reason for RS was the (at that time) only useful and nice case
[21:52] <bonks> Martin[2]: Well they did upgrade me for free to the 512MB :)
[21:53] <Martin[2]> bonks i see :p same with mine ;D
[21:53] <Martin[2]> playing with it right now
[21:53] <bonks> Weaselweb: The pink case? How is it useful without any modifications?
[21:53] <Weaselweb> no, white one
[21:53] <Martin[2]> the pink case is just a stand. if you close it, even suppose you cut holes for the connectors it gets pretty warm in tehre
[21:53] <bonks> Oh I didn't get/order that
[21:54] <Jef91> any help with this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=24031
[21:55] <Martin[2]> mine was delievered with the case
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[21:55] <Martin[2]> :D
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[21:58] <jimerickson> just did a dist-upgrade that included wpa_supplicant. and my wireless quit working. are there any known issuses with the latest version of wpa_supplicant?
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[22:03] <frojnd> Hi there. I have raspberrypi B model 256MB. Can someone point me to a wiki for cpu overclocking. I'd do "safe overclocking" if it's possible, don't need to be extreme just a little higher
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[22:06] <cdan> good afternoon
[22:06] <pksato> frojnd: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
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[22:07] <K4k> Hello everyone, I was hoping to get some information about an issue I'm having with my new rpi. My device does not get past the muli-colored splash screen unless I unplug and quickly re-plug the usb power supply.
[22:08] <K4k> I'm assuming this is a voltage drop issue, is this because I'm powering it from my laptop's usb port and not a AC to DC converter from the wall?
[22:08] <pksato> K4k: inadequate PSU.
[22:08] <ShiftPlusOne> Sounds like it.
[22:09] <K4k> are the USB ports of laptops known to be a little underpowered or is this an issue generally known to occur when using the USB power rather than a true AC power supply?
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[22:10] <pksato> USB port is limited to 500mA, if device request hi power. Unless, 150mA.
[22:10] <fubbi> is it normal that rpi screen goes black after some time when it resizes root partition and stays black even if I move the mouse or press a key?
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[22:13] <fubbi> regarding USB Port Power: even my computer has not enough USB power to run arduino with 10 blinking LEDs, voltage drops to 4.5 and you are searching for hours why you got so strange sensor values... on my notebook everything was fine with my arduino setup 5V
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[22:14] <K4k> fubbi: thank you for the input. I'll look to see if I have a proper power supply in my parts bin when I return home.
[22:14] <fubbi> so I didnt even try to run rpi on a USB port :D
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[22:14] <K4k> it seems to work fine after unplug and re-plug, I can limp along that way temporarily
[22:14] <Martin[2]> I find most mobile phone USB chargers do really well ;)
[22:14] <fubbi> you could try smartphone chargers too
[22:14] <fubbi> :D
[22:15] <fubbi> using 5V 1A charger from my nexus
[22:15] <scummos> i always run mine from usb
[22:15] <K4k> I left my nexus charger at home today :(
[22:15] <Martin[2]> fubbi, I'm using one for my PSP Go ;D
[22:15] <scummos> works perfectly
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[22:15] <pksato> ATX PSU delivery 5A @ 2A on standby wires.
[22:16] <fubbi> :D
[22:16] <pksato> If need more power, use GPIO to full power ATX.
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[22:21] <K4k> Random thought: would it be technically possible to utilize PoE in some future revision of the rpi?
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[22:22] <pksato> K4k: http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
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[22:23] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[22:23] <K4k> pksato: most excellent, that would be a truely great capability
[22:24] <pksato> but, PoE have a extra cost. more power regulators.
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[22:25] <K4k> true, I would be perfectly happy paying for the capability though
[22:25] <pksato> 5V regulator was removed to reduce costs.
[22:25] <rikkib> What would be most excellent is for the Raspbian developers fix the USB bugs. I note they do not even recognize the uvc driver bug that kills motion.
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[22:28] <K4k> It does seem as though it's a fairly finicky device
[22:28] <K4k> even for a beta
[22:28] <rikkib> Specially power supply voltage/current
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[22:29] <rikkib> Having said that I have no issues with a 1.2A cell phone charger.
[22:30] <K4k> not that I'm complaining, I've been waiting since June to get my hands on one and it finally came in yesterday.
[22:30] <rikkib> Or running on a DC-Dc converter
[22:30] <rikkib> I am complaining... Kernel bugs are not being fixed.
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[22:32] <rikkib> I know there are no issues with my hardware as an old kernel runs without blinking... I am creating an application that relies on motion.
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[22:33] <rikkib> New kernel has issues with video completion handler in the kernel (USB).
[22:34] <rikkib> It was introduced around the 8th month.
[22:34] <rikkib> When they changed to a different USB drivers.
[22:36] <pksato> enough power to RPi http://dx.com/p/5v-3-8a-regulated-switching-power-supply-silver-145841
[22:37] <Armand> More than enough, pksato
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[22:38] <Kilty> Later folks
[22:38] <Kilty> time for a coffee :-)
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[23:32] <skyburner> hi there
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[23:33] <Martin[2]> :O somebody said hi!
[23:34] <maicod> is wicd a similar srvice as wpa_supplicant ?
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[23:34] <maicod> service*
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[23:35] <skyburner> just got my RPi from RS and SD-Card with preinstalled RPi-Debian. Unfortunately it got instabel, crashed regulary and finally dind't boot. Only Red LED. Dr. Google found lot of answers. Powersource (bought it from RS special for Raspberry)...
[23:35] <skyburner> SD-Card (also extra bought) but tried a few other
[23:36] <skyburner> voltagetesting -> worked
[23:36] <skyburner> finally put the rPi in the fridge
[23:36] <skyburner> guess what... now its booting again
[23:36] <skyburner> even got X working
[23:36] <Martin[2]> I just bought the base board from RS. took a long long time for them to deliver it
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[23:37] <skyburner> for half an hour
[23:37] <skyburner> then crash. able to reboot 2 minutes... crash
[23:37] <du> i don't get it
[23:37] <du> what's the problem
[23:37] <skyburner> and again only red LED
[23:37] <maicod> skyburner: maybe the power supply you use is too weak ?
[23:37] <skyburner> back to fridge now its working agein
[23:37] <Martin[2]> skyburner, what is the power supply they gave you rated it?
[23:37] <maicod> it should be ~1A
[23:37] <skyburner> maicod: it is
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[23:37] <maicod> OK
[23:37] <skyburner> maicod: and it is stable
[23:38] <maicod> maybe you got a bad Pi
[23:38] <skyburner> maicod: i think of the FUSE
[23:38] <skyburner> maybe
[23:38] <LucidLuna> yay I ordered my pi :D
[23:38] <skyburner> missoldering depending on temperature
[23:38] <maicod> skyburner: it is not the old revision huh?
[23:38] <dero> keep your pi on the rocks
[23:38] <Martin[2]> sometimes what happens though, if there is load on it the voltage fluctuates from the power supply. and the voltage can dip down or jump up
[23:38] <du> i ordered four, they'll be here in two days
[23:38] <skyburner> dont want to file a bug report with solution "put it to the fridge"
[23:38] <maicod> cause those could be damaged by using i.e. a wifi dongle directly in the Pi
[23:39] <LucidLuna> what is this on the forums about sd card corruption?
[23:39] <du> LucidLuna i think it's about overclocking
[23:39] <LucidLuna> if your sd card gets corrupted, can you just reformat it or would you have to buy a new one?
[23:39] <dero> OC and you will eventually see SD corruption
[23:39] <Disconnect> skyburner: mine is doing the same and there is a forum post, hang on. mcm decided its defective. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20657
[23:39] <skyburner> but if someone has similar problems with only red led on (no flashing of green) and sporadic crashes
[23:39] <maicod> lucidluna: you got windows and a SD cardreader ?
[23:39] <Martin[2]> LucidLuna, should be able to reformat it. Although it is possible to permanently destroy it.
[23:39] <skyburner> maicod: nope it is B (?rev 1?)
[23:40] <dero> I had "red only" with ONE SD card which had bad contacts, but always worked in my PC
[23:40] <dero> I had to pull out the card, back in again, and so on
[23:40] <LucidLuna> okay, i'll buy a few spare sd cards :) thanks martin[2]
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[23:40] <LucidLuna> @ maicod i have linux and an sd card reader
[23:40] <Efciem> evenin
[23:40] <skyburner> dero: been ther done that
[23:40] <maicod> lucidluna: you could download the image from raspberrypi's site and dd it back to the sdcard
[23:40] <Disconnect> dero: bringing my bad one to work today (to troubleshoot with techsup) it ran longer than usual. then again, i work in a psuedo-datacenter so it is about 63F and breezy. might be a heat issue - with the lid off it went 10ish minutes, with the lid on it went 5, and at home (75F or so) it wouldn't beat 2-3.
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[23:41] <dero> IF you see SD corruption, FS will be really dead, fsck will not help
[23:41] <Disconnect> (and the original psu/hub/sd/etc has been running my other pi at home for about 6 days now without a single crash)
[23:41] <skyburner> trust me i tried EVERTHIN what dr. google says. now i have 4 brand new SD-Cards ALL on the list of supported hardware
[23:41] <LucidLuna> okay :)
[23:41] <Martin[2]> I got berry boot, and let it do the rest for installing raspbian etc.
[23:41] <Disconnect> skyburner: check that thread..
[23:41] <dero> reformat is the only solution
[23:41] <du> jeez, i hope mine work.
[23:42] <skyburner> mom
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[23:42] <Efciem> what power supply should I get for my raspberry pi's
[23:42] <du> i'm planning on using my smart/cell phone micro usb charger
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> The type that would come with a smartphone.
[23:43] <Efciem> All 3 arrived today even though I ordered them 2 weeks apart.
[23:43] <LucidLuna> which brand of sd card works best with the raspberry pi?
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[23:43] <du> LucidLuna check the wiki
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> LucidLuna: I don't think there's any metric that can be used to answer that question, just check the verified peripherals list.
[23:43] <dero> SanDisk class 10
[23:43] <Efciem> I have 2 Apple Iphone chargers , those will work reliably?
[23:43] <Martin[2]> I'm using class 6 Sandisk 16GB :)
[23:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Efciem: perfectly.
[23:44] <Disconnect> Efciem: i'm using a listed-supported 7port usb hub on mine. leaves me at 4.8V under heavy load (low side of acceptable, and decently higher than the "supported" supplies mcm sold me.)
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[23:44] <Efciem> fantastic! nice to have kept those when I sold my wife and I's phones haha
[23:44] <dero> you'll pretend the Pi is an iPhone?
[23:44] <du> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[23:44] <Efciem> lol
[23:45] <dero> it's not a raspberry, it's an apple, sweetheart
[23:45] <skyburner> Disconnect: still reading *G*
[23:45] <BurtyB> not with that price tag it's not ;)
[23:45] <Efciem> I picked up 3 Sandisk 10 rated 32gig cards today for $14 each
[23:45] <du> seems to be two diametric ideologies. on one side you have the idea that tinkering is valuable and on the other you have it that it is dangerous
[23:46] <Efciem> love how cheap this shit is these days
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[23:54] <skyburner> Disconnect: thanks for the hint to that thread. seems that i have to send it back. its a pitty and not good for rs...
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[23:55] <Disconnect> skyburner: yah. i think something went wrong along the way :/ lots of reports, and mcm is gonna send me rma info on mine shortly as well
[23:57] <skyburner> funny i found out the fridge solution on my own *G*
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[23:59] <skyburner> so thanks again. maybe this problem should find its way to the wiki. especially to the troubleshooting-only red led part... can save DAYS *G*
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