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IRC Log for 2012-11-28

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[0:12] <LucidLuna> does anyone know the name of the chinese manufacturer
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[0:30] <frojnd> I'm reading this news: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008 and if I understand correctly, if I have the latest firmware cpu automatically jumprs from 700MhZ to 1000MhZ ?
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[0:31] <Jef91> frojnd: there is an option in the raspi-config to do this now
[0:31] <LostInInaka> frojnd: only if you set it to do so through raspi-config or editing the boot.txt file
[0:32] <frojnd> I'm asking because after using stress program and running cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq I kept getting 700MhZ
[0:32] <frojnd> I haven't because I didn't find any info about that on the news..
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[0:33] <frojnd> what is the file called?
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[0:33] <frojnd> /boot/config.txt ?
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[0:35] <LostInInaka> frojnd: that'd be it
[0:35] <Lizalfos> simple query about the pi; on raspbian and any sort of distribution, do I have access to the broadcom's framebuffer via assembly?
[0:36] <Lizalfos> or is it locked down like on x86's protected mode.
[0:36] <frojnd> I'm reading http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#force_turbo_mode where it says: When busy, ARM frequency go up to "arm_freq" and down to "arm_freq_min" on idle. Do I have to put arm_freq_max and or arm_freq_min also into config.txt?
[0:36] <LostInInaka> but read the wiki as for settings and stuff???might be easier to use raspi-config for now???.and I think you have to be running raspibian to do it
[0:36] <frojnd> LostInInaka: to use turbo force?
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[0:37] <LostInInaka> frojnd: force turbo means it will always be at the freq you set???.if not forced, it will be dynamic and only max out when it needs to
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[0:39] <frojnd> LostInInaka: but I don't even have dynamic mode set
[0:39] <LostInInaka> and typically the min setting is the lowest you want it to go, with max being the highest???if forced, i believe you just have to set arm_freq
[0:39] <frojnd> LostInInaka: and reading the news I can set that to 1000 ?
[0:40] <LostInInaka> dynamic is set by default???once you set the arm_freq that becomes the dynamic maximum???but you have to wory about ???.I think it's over_voltage as well
[0:41] <LostInInaka> and 1000 can be unstable depending on what you are doing???I find 900 works best for me
[0:41] <frojnd> LostInInaka: ok I'll try 900 first
[0:41] <LostInInaka> as I said, for some simple value for you to play with, use raspi-config to set it up the first time
[0:41] <frojnd> LostInInaka: let me reboot and see what happens
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[0:43] <LostInInaka> frojnd: look at the tested values chart for things you might want to set depending on the freq you want to use
[0:43] <LostInInaka> if you don't want to use raspi-config
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[0:54] <frojnd> Yeey :) it goes up to 900
[0:54] <frojnd> can I clock it to 950?
[0:54] <Martin[2]> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm probably
[0:55] <Martin[2]> stability could be an issue
[0:55] <Martin[2]> from what I gather
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[0:56] <LostInInaka> frojnd: you can???but like Martin[2] just said???stability becomes more of an issue
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[1:01] <frojnd> LostInInaka: ustable above 900 or second two numbers 50?
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[1:01] <LostInInaka> second two numbers 50? you mean 950+????.
[1:02] <frojnd> yeah
[1:02] <LostInInaka> not sure, never really tried 901+ after stability issues at 950 and 1000???.coudl try 925 I guess?
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[1:06] <frojnd> I use my rpi for home web server, Everything except arm_freq=900 and qpu_mem=16 is commented in config.txt anything else I should edit to make it more awesome?
[1:06] <frojnd> I don't need X...
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[1:07] <Hexxeh> i run my pi laptop at 1.1ghz without issues
[1:08] <Hexxeh> that said i benched a box full of them and the best i got was 1.2ghz (i think i was hitting some kind of software ceiling, since i found a few that topped out there)
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[1:09] <LostInInaka> Hexxeh: damn???i have all sorts of probs at 1ghz???.can't imagine getting it up to 1.2 w/o any problems
[1:09] <LostInInaka> Hexxeh: then again, you are the master so??? ;)
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[1:11] <LostInInaka> frojnd: sorry???nt sure???.haven't gotten around to doing a home web server yet???its in the pipeline though???.first was to get openvpn setup
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[1:18] <frojnd> LostInInaka: I have OpenVPN on tomato router
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[1:19] <frojnd> But I could set up Hot Spot with usb wlan on rpi :)
[1:19] <LostInInaka> frojnd: yeah???i thought about that, and once my airport extreme dies I will probably go that route???.
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[1:21] <frojnd> If I only knew how to soldier :)
[1:21] <frojnd> Hexxeh: what PSU are you using? Did you by any chance bought it on ebay?
[1:21] <Hexxeh> i'm running off of a lion battery pack
[1:21] <LostInInaka> frojnd: it's easy???just knowing WHAT to soldier???thats a different story ;)
[1:22] <frojnd> LostInInaka: belive me it's not easy :D
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[1:24] <frojnd> LostInInaka: http://wiki.openwrt.org/_media/toh/tp-link/wr741nd-usb-poc.jpg?cache= :D
[1:24] <frojnd> haha
[1:24] <frojnd> There are like 90~pins, with eye you can not see them all :P
[1:24] <frojnd> it's that small yes :)
[1:24] <LostInInaka> ok???now THAT kind???hell no
[1:24] <frojnd> I have that router with me it was like 10??? and if I knew how to soldier usb host it would be awesome
[1:25] <sohcahtoa> so I don't have a TV to hook up to, and I don't feel like spending as much on a hdmi to vga convertor as on the board, I see some serial cable on this site, would the existing linux distros have a serial driver that'd work with it?
[1:25] <LostInInaka> although a pi is relatively inexpensive so...
[1:26] <frojnd> Can use for anything gpu if I'm not running X?
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[1:27] <sohcahtoa> interesting question
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[1:28] <frojnd> Hexxeh | i'm running off of a lion battery pack, don't know what that is.
[1:29] <frojnd> Can't wait to get another PI, gonna test some paralelization :)
[1:30] <djazz> yay, I successfully set up two rpi's as load balanced and synced webservers!
[1:30] <frojnd> djazz: congrats \o :)
[1:31] <LostInInaka> djazz: looking forward to your how-to ;)
[1:31] <djazz> using nginx and unison
[1:32] <djazz> unison was easy to set up (syncs files up and down)
[1:32] <djazz> but you have to sync manually
[1:32] <djazz> run a command, to sync entire www
[1:32] <GabrialDestruir> Lion Battery Pack, Lithium Ion Battery Pack
[1:32] <rikkib> mysql?
[1:33] <frojnd> I bet it's lightsql
[1:33] <rikkib> php
[1:33] <rikkib> ?
[1:34] <djazz> howto unison: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unison-file-synchronizer-tool/ and nginx's upstream module for load balancing
[1:35] <djazz> http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpUpstreamModule
[1:36] <djazz> demo: http://djazz.mine.nu/ip.php
[1:36] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[1:36] <djazz> the server address change when reloading
[1:36] <djazz> nginx sends http requests 50% 50%
[1:37] <frojnd> nice nice :)
[1:37] <djazz> LostInInaka: see links above
[1:37] <djazz> i wont make a tutorial now, maybe some other time
[1:37] <djazz> its soon 2 AM
[1:37] <djazz> ZZz
[1:37] <frojnd> oh right 1:37 here
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[1:38] <djazz> i decided to set up two raspberrys as my primary webserver, since my regular server stopped working today (not booting)
[1:38] <frojnd> djazz: regular server aslo pi?
[1:38] <djazz> no
[1:38] <frojnd> djazz: ah.. 'regular'
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[1:38] <frojnd> :)
[1:39] <djazz> old pentium III, 512 MB ram, 20 GB HDD...
[1:39] <djazz> just slightly better than a Rpi
[1:39] <frojnd> Yeah rpi is great for home server, for torrenting and also some data storage, it's also cheap and power consumption frinedly
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[1:40] <rikkib> Interesting
[1:43] <rikkib> Wed Nov 28 13:43:11 NZDT 2012
[1:43] <rikkib> Guitar practice time.
[1:44] <rikkib> 180W
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[1:45] <djazz> gn!
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[1:47] <pksato> This can burn my rpi? :) https://picasaweb.google.com/115147337053910457307/Hdmi2vga
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[2:08] <skyburner> Disconnect: FYI: my Pi is running on Cooling-Packs for some hours now... sort of stable *G* didnt figure out how to get hdmi working but all my SD-Cards now work fine and also do the power supplies
[2:08] <skyburner> did search about this polymere-fuse thing. highly possible source of failure
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[2:09] <skyburner> but now its bed-time... n8 ./#/*
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[2:55] <Ripred> running wheezy, issued apt-get upgrade. Seeing message about the package sysvinit-utils - says the Configuration file `/etc/init/startpar-bridge.conf' has been deleted by a script or by me
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[2:56] <Ripred> and wants an answer on whether to install a new conf file - startpar-bridge.conf. Can someone tell me about this and is it safe?
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[2:58] <rikkib> Yes
[2:58] <Ripred> cool thx
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[3:00] <rikkib> It is just apart of job processing
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[3:02] <rikkib> Stuff that users normally do not need to know much about.
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[3:31] <Mehhh> Does anyone with a lapdock know where to get another JHDMI connector?
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[3:33] <echelon> Mehhh: http://dark-code.bulix.org/6viava-82548?raw
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[3:34] <Mehhh> Nonononno, I broke one of the little micro hdmi wires ;)
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[3:35] <echelon> oh the male connector
[3:35] <echelon> hmm
[3:36] <echelon> you should probably turn it into a female then
[3:36] <echelon> easier to find cables for m/m micro to type A
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[3:42] <pksato> hdmi2vga adapter only works on 640x480 :p
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[4:11] <pksato> hdmi_drive=2, now hdmi2vga works.
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[4:37] <wubino> if my pi is running headless on the network how do I find what ip it is at - using linux
[4:37] <SpeedEvil> you could map
[4:37] <SpeedEvil> or ask your router
[4:38] <SpeedEvil> or ARP
[4:40] <chithead> look in your dhcp log
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[4:50] <invisiblek> ping sweep!
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[4:56] <monkeymon> yay ofx on rpi
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[5:10] <jagginess> hi
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[5:17] <monkeymon> hi
[5:17] <mhz> hi
[5:18] <SpeedEvil> hi Hi hi Hi hi Hi hi Hi hi Hi hi
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[5:20] <monkeymon> hihihihihi
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[5:34] <Dan39> hi
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[6:17] <unreal-dude> anyone here know if the quick2wire.com site is up? seems to be getting blocked by my av for whatever reason
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[6:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone online who shorted their usb polyfuses?
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[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> unreal-dude: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/quick2wire.com
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> seems up to me though
[6:19] <unreal-dude> im sure the site isnt down
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> it isn't
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> it's fine here
[6:19] <ShiftPlusOne> but downforeveryoneorjustme sees it as down
[6:20] <unreal-dude> says its up for me :p
[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> "It's not just you! http://quick2wire.com looks down from here." go figure
[6:21] <unreal-dude> It's just you. http://quick2wire.com is up.
[6:21] <unreal-dude> wonder why it gives us differing msgs
[6:21] <unreal-dude> you in US?
[6:21] <ShiftPlusOne> No, but I just refreshed and it says it's up
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[6:22] <unreal-dude> http://is.gd/h6ziYw this is what i get when i try to visit the site
[6:23] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe a good idea not to refer people to a site you suspect might be malicious then =/
[6:24] <unreal-dude> :|
[6:25] <ShiftPlusOne> obviously could be a false positive, but still.
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[7:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Any chance someone here might know why I am getting garbled serial output? "???[ OK ] Started Sdrial Getty on ttyA???A0"
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[7:17] <ekaj> Anyone ever tried using a Pi as a media / XMBC server?
[7:19] <axion> dont ask for people. ask for information. that is nearly everyone here
[7:19] <ekaj> Meh good point =p
[7:20] <McBofh> ekaj: http://michael.gorven.za.net/content/xbmc-raspberry-pi
[7:20] <McBofh> there's also OpenElec
[7:22] <ekaj> Thankya, I was just reading about xmbcUbuntu actually =p
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[7:27] <DooMMasteR> and another Bottle of Lipovitan-D?????? by far the best energy drink EVER
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[7:27] <McBofh> seems to me that DooMMasteR needs a good /kick
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[7:28] <DooMMasteR> the sun ist just rising??? I am nearly 24h online :P yeah??? but still have to stay awake til 1630 :P
[7:28] <DooMMasteR> so another 10h to go :P
[7:31] <McBofh> oh sorry, I thought you were a bot
[7:31] <McBofh> double-espresso doesn't work for you?
[7:32] <terraforma> sounds like someones prejudiced against bots! :P
[7:32] <McBofh> only because they're crunchy underfoot
[7:32] <McBofh> and I've got soft feet :)(
[7:32] <terraforma> lol, mmm crunchy
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[7:40] <monkeymon> so the pi has been worth it just to get me to start using mutt again :)
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[7:42] <StMichel> mutt is great, I also started using it a while ago
[7:47] <DooMMasteR> McBofh: hmm contains 1000 mg of taurine, 20 mg of nicotine acid extract, 5 mg each of vitamin B1, B2 and B6, and 50 mg of caffeine
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[7:58] <tsn> hi anyone here know how I can install the info documentation for emacs while using the raspberry pi version of debian?
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[8:00] <Gr33n3gg> tsn: check if emacs23-common-non-dfsg is in the raspbian repos
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[8:03] <tsn> Gr33n3gg: it is do that contain the documentation?
[8:04] <Gr33n3gg> that should install the documentation, if it's in the rasbian repos
[8:04] <Gr33n3gg> though it might or might not be
[8:05] <Gr33n3gg> er, emacs24-common-non-dfsg is what you're looking for
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[8:06] <tsn> ok, I will try and install that package then, hope it works, emacs is - even more of - a pain to use without the documentation
[8:06] <Gr33n3gg> use vim instead
[8:07] <phire> bestist advice ever
[8:07] <Gr33n3gg> I have never used emacs, and I plan to claim ignorance and never use it
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[8:13] <tsn> Gr33n3gg: ty, that worked, :) as for the vim advice I tried it earlier, and didn't really like, and by now I have become to lazy to switch :)
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[8:17] <booyaa> tsn vimcast.org may turn you still ;)
[8:17] <booyaa> http://vimcasts.org/
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[8:39] <bogus-> anyone here running quassel on the pi?
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[9:16] <skyburner> morning
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[9:17] <KidBeta> hey guys, does anyone know the ~ cost of a rpi in australia? shipping and all.
[9:17] <KidBeta> i know they are ~21.4 pounds from the UK but im pretty sure that does not include shipping
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[9:19] <shiftplusone> KidBeta, check element14
[9:20] <shiftplusone> shipping should be free
[9:20] <KidBeta> really? sweet.
[9:20] <shiftplusone> (or rather included in the price)
[9:20] <KidBeta> i assume that shipping might take a while though
[9:21] <shiftplusone> 512MB Model B AUD$41.80
[9:21] <shiftplusone> Order today, delivery within 3 weeks.
[9:21] <KidBeta> so it gets delivered in 3 weeks not shipped?
[9:21] <shiftplusone> that's right
[9:21] <shiftplusone> or so they promise
[9:22] <KidBeta> sweet! thanks. getting two :)
[9:22] <shiftplusone> http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi3.html
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[9:24] <KidBeta> that sd card seems a :/ for $16
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[9:30] <locutox> i like that the rpi runs linux, it's nice and stable
[9:30] <locutox> i've been running it for 24 hours logging data and it's still working
[9:30] <runemaste> hello all! would someone be able to assist me with getting my Targus usb to serial going under linux? it appears to require the mct-u232 driver and i cant find it
[9:31] <runemaste> i read something on Google about adding the following: "usbserial vendor=0x0711 product=0x0230" to /etc/modules and reboot, but it doesn't work
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[9:31] <shiftplusone> It should just work
[9:32] <shiftplusone> what does dmesg say?
[9:32] <shiftplusone> I guess it the module may require those parameters, but that's a bit strange.
[9:32] <runemaste> small part of it:
[9:32] <runemaste> [ 3.223136] usb 1-1.3: new full-speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg
[9:32] <runemaste> [ 3.350243] usb 1-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0711, idProduct=0230
[9:32] <runemaste> [ 3.366460] usb 1-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[9:32] <runemaste> [ 3.388129] usb 1-1.3: Product: Targus Group Intl
[9:32] <runemaste> [ 3.402834] usb 1-1.3: Manufacturer: Targus Group Intl
[9:32] <runemaste> [ 3.411420] usb 1-1.3: SerialNumber: 574931
[9:32] <runemaste> [ 3.807830] udevd[119]: starting version 175
[9:32] <runemaste> would you like me to pastebin it?
[9:32] <runemaste> the entire dmesg log?
[9:32] <shiftplusone> anything underneath that?
[9:33] <runemaste> just this:
[9:33] <runemaste> [ 12.108523] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[9:33] <runemaste> [ 17.723180] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
[9:33] <runemaste> [ 21.504886] Adding 102396k swap on /var/swap. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:102396k SS
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[9:33] <shiftplusone> tried loading the module with those parameters manually?
[9:33] <runemaste> with modprobe usbserial blahblahblah?
[9:33] <shiftplusone> yeah
[9:33] <runemaste> yep, no idea
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[9:34] <runemaste> *no change
[9:34] <shiftplusone> what do you mean by no idea?
[9:34] <runemaste> sorry
[9:34] <shiftplusone> ah
[9:34] <runemaste> end of a long day
[9:34] <shiftplusone> well... good luck >.>
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[9:35] <runemaste> lol thanks. anyone have any tips? :)
[9:35] <shiftplusone> maybe try removing the module first and then loading it again with modprobe usbserial vendor=0x0711 product=0x0230
[9:35] <shiftplusone> from memory that's modprobe -r usbserail
[9:36] <shiftplusone> except spelled properly
[9:36] <runemaste> just did that, no change :(
[9:36] <shiftplusone> what does dmesg say when you modprobe?
[9:37] <runemaste> nothing :S
[9:37] <shiftplusone> it should say something...
[9:37] <shiftplusone> at least a "hey, I am loding this module now." sort of message
[9:37] <runemaste> no change
[9:38] <shiftplusone> no idea then.
[9:38] <runemaste> thanks for trying mate!
[9:38] <shiftplusone> Any time
[9:39] <KidBeta> just ordered :D
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[9:44] <KidBeta> now to look for usb bluetooth so i can control it with my ps3 remote
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[9:49] <cdan> good morning
[9:49] <phire> morning
[9:51] <cdan> has anybody connected a MLX90614 to raspberrypi ?
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[9:53] <phire> Should work, assuming you have the 3.3v version
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[9:57] <GabrialDestruir> I didn't realize that apparently there's a council for the rPi Wiki
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[9:58] <shiftplusone> A council? O_o
[9:58] <nid0> there is?
[9:58] <GabrialDestruir> http://elinux.org/eLinux.org:RPi_Council
[9:58] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[10:00] <shiftplusone> So... it's 2 guys that decided they're a council? O_o
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[10:02] <shiftplusone> I'd understand if it was mdavey or one of the other guys who started the rpi elinux effort, someone from the foundation or at least a mod from the forum, but that just looks silly.
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[10:03] <GabrialDestruir> http://elinux.org/RPi_Model_Wizard Is something like this really necessary? =\
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[10:03] <shiftplusone> No, and I think the distro wizard is silly too.
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[10:04] <shiftplusone> But we'd need to ask the wiki president 'course.
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[10:04] <GabrialDestruir> Bah...
[10:04] <nid0> shiftplusone: well, it looks like it was originally written up by wmat at least
[10:05] <shiftplusone> ah, yeah I was just going to go through the history
[10:05] <GabrialDestruir> Think I'll tick them off if I completely revamp the verified hardware page?
[10:05] <GabrialDestruir> The one that is a complete mess, and could do with a good tablet?
[10:05] <shiftplusone> No harm in it. Can always revert.
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[10:09] <GabrialDestruir> So for the hubs.... it should have what? I'm guessing Brand - USB Type - Number of Ports - Additional Information?
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[10:11] <shiftplusone> would be nice if people posted hardware IDs too.
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> Oh Version numbers, and yea Hardware IDs would be nice.
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[10:12] <shiftplusone> (to identify branded duplicates of the same thing)
[10:12] <GabrialDestruir> Er not version numbers, but Model numbers :D
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[10:13] <GabrialDestruir> Need uh, a Yes/No box for whether it powers the Pi, seems to be important.
[10:14] <shiftplusone> And actually, no the council thing wasn't written up by wmat. http://elinux.org/index.php?title=eLinux.org:RPi_Council&oldid=172100
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> It was a self appointed council, yea
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir> and from the looks of it, they've done nothing.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:16] <locutox> does the rpi have an internal temperature sensor for the soc?
[10:16] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I was going to say. It's not like knowing about it made a difference.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> locutox, yes.
[10:16] <shiftplusone> Besides, I am a mod on the channel and that's just as silly, so can't really critisize the guy, heh.
[10:16] <locutox> cool
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> locutox, type: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[10:17] <legitnick> how hard is it to mod the usb on the rpi?
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[10:18] <shiftplusone> mod it in what way?
[10:18] <locutox> gordonDrogon: thanks, i want to measure ambient temperature changes (the absolute temperature doesn't matter) so this might be good enough for what I need :D
[10:18] <legitnick> so it can run a sha 256 2-step single
[10:18] <KidBeta> a what
[10:18] <shiftplusone> Ah, I don't know what that means, so no idea here.
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, a mod here is different than going "I'M THE PRESIDENT OF A COUNCIL CONSISTING OF ME!"
[10:19] <KidBeta> shiftplusone your not the only one
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've edited a few things on the wiki...
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> locutox, it varys quickly with cpu load, so really you need an external sensor.
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir> Trying to figure out what type of info is needed for a table of USB hubs.
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[10:20] <skyburner> gordonDrogon: maybe if youdo the average over a month?
[10:20] <legitnick> bfl single/ASIC
[10:20] <skyburner> gordonDrogon: meann Temperatur of a year :-)
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[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> lsusb would be the Hardware I
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[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> ID*
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir> right?
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> I used to have a server/router mounted on a wall in a barn on Dartmoor - I had over a years worth of cpu+disk temperatures logged on it.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> however it was nothing other than what I sort of expected - it got cold in the winder and hot in the summer...
[10:22] <locutox> gordonDrogon: the cpu load should be constant, i will get a real temp sensor when i can be bothered
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[10:23] <skyburner> :-)
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[10:23] <GabrialDestruir> Should 5v, 2.6A that type of info be added in? If so under what type of heading?
[10:23] <shiftplusone> GabrialDestruir, that's what I meant when I suggested it, yes.
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[10:24] <shiftplusone> Are those ratings actually given? Usually it's just the power supply and then whatever the hub is capable of is all over the place.
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> Some of these actually have the ratings.
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> Others not so much, but maybe if we can get it organized we can fill it out better.
[10:26] <shiftplusone> nid0, Just checked, the first edit from wmat is actually asking wth is this and why are you trying to override elinux policy.
[10:26] <shiftplusone> I am not sure how meaningful that information is, since I am sure they are not rated in the same way and many ratings from chinese manufacturers are just made up.
[10:27] <shiftplusone> So it might be misleading information, but maybe worth having, I don't know.
[10:28] <nid0> ah so it was, I just looked at the first page of edits without checking properly, looked like wmat had written it
[10:28] <shiftplusone> yeah, I made the same mistake when I looked, but it didn't seem right, so I looked closer. =)
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir> Well most of the chinese stuff isn't going to make it into the Verified Good category is it?
[10:29] <shiftplusone> I don't know, hubs are a bit tricky
[10:29] <Jck_true> One USB adapter in our production batch of 10 000 managed a 1000mA load for 0.00001MS without blowing up... We will rate them all as 1000mA adapters :)
[10:29] <shiftplusone> because someone might try some hardware which works and say the hub is good. then if you plug somethin else in, it might not...
[10:30] <shiftplusone> I have a hub where plugging things into different ports and in a different order makes a difference... so...
[10:30] <Jck_true> I'm a bit annoyed with the foundation not admiting the faults in the USB stack :/
[10:30] <nid0> hubs also differ depending on the version of pi being used
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[10:30] <herdingcat> hi, what's the root password for wheezy raspbian
[10:30] <nid0> there isnt one
[10:30] <nid0> set one via sudo from the pi user
[10:30] <Jck_true> herdingcat: Its debian.. there isn't any
[10:31] <herdingcat> Jck_true, but it tells me Login incorrect
[10:31] <nid0> yes, because no password = user disabled
[10:31] <Jck_true> pi/raspberry
[10:31] <herdingcat> Jck_true, I use serial console to access the system
[10:31] <GabrialDestruir> Well how about this.... we put in the supposed ratings with an * note "Ratings may not be completely accurate"
[10:31] <nid0> hence, set a password via sudo from the pi user
[10:31] <herdingcat> Jck_true, the root password is pi/raspberry ?
[10:32] * nid0 facepalms
[10:32] <nid0> pi/raspberry is the username and password of the default user setup on the raspbian image
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> yea, not sure it's possible to produce a table of usb hubs - you'll end up with 1001 entries with 900 of them having the same chip inside and the same crappy soldering.
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> There is no root password.
[10:32] <nid0> through which you can access the pi
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> Disabled by default.
[10:32] <nid0> using that user you can then set a root password to enable root access if you want.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> and the same mis-sized sockets, so plugs barely have enough friction to stay in )-:
[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> Well what I'm trying to do is organize the crapshoot that currently consists of "Verified" hubs.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> the one I have appears to have a good PSU, but has a lousy 'body' and the cables often just fall out.
[10:33] <herdingcat> Jck_true, thanks, login
[10:33] <herdingcat> haha, my first rpi
[10:33] <herdingcat> pi@raspberrypi:/proc$ uname -a
[10:33] <herdingcat> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[10:34] <GabrialDestruir> So we can get as much information on the table as possible, we'll be able to identify which hubs are the same if people start posting Hardware IDs
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[10:35] <GabrialDestruir> Hardware Id is just "05e3:0608" right?
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[10:37] <shiftplusone> yeah
[10:37] <Jck_true> VID+PID yeah :)
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
[10:39] <tanuva> Bus 002 Device 008: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB
[10:39] <tanuva> ;D
[10:39] <tanuva> probably different cases though
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looks like we all have the same chip...
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> Mines a LOGIK - which I think is a PC World "Own brand" type of thing.
[10:40] <tanuva> belkin here
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that there's probably not that many actual hub chips...
[10:40] <tanuva> actually the hub is an 8 port one, so they put two chips in there. wtf.
[10:40] <frikinz> I'm not running on the rasp so not sure if the command is there by default but its good to first check that update-usbids is uptodate so that the id to name mapping is the latest
[10:41] <shiftplusone> They change often?
[10:41] <shiftplusone> or...ever?
[10:41] <GabrialDestruir> So all your hubs are effectively the same? xD
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> it's there on Raspbian - ran it - no change...
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, looks like it..
[10:42] <tanuva> GabrialDestruir: chances are we'd only get a list of <10 different chips in various cases...
[10:42] <frikinz> sometimes yes. as manufacturers often do strange allocation, its hard to guess. sometimes there's not a 1-1 relation also..
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> actually, it's updated the LAN chip ID.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9512 Standard Microsystems Corp. LAN9500 Ethernet 10/100 Adapter
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> it didn't tell me that before.
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[10:42] <shiftplusone> But the actual vendor and product id wouldn't ever change, would it?
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> I'd hope not - just the mapping of that to human readable name...
[10:44] <frikinz> the numbers are burnt into the chip I think. In an eeprom for example
[10:44] <shiftplusone> Ok good. I always thought those IDs are hard coded in, like frikinz says.
[10:44] <frikinz> It can be changed manually
[10:44] <Macer> good evening/morning (US)
[10:44] <artag> gordonDrogon: I have a Logik hub too. it's very small (and was stupidly cheap) yet has a power socket, which was nice. But I have noticed that it back-powers the pi through the hub's host port, which I'm a little wary about.
[10:44] <Macer> i need to order another pi some time soon
[10:45] <Macer> are they only making 512MB models nowadays?
[10:45] <Macer> (that would be nice)
[10:45] <shiftplusone> That's all I saw on element14.
[10:46] <Macer> nice.... wonder how long it will take to get one
[10:46] <GabrialDestruir> On second thought...
[10:46] <Macer> last time it was rather quick
[10:46] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe I don't want to redo this entire page
[10:46] <Macer> but i think i just had a good window where they had stock and not enough orders heh
[10:46] <GabrialDestruir> there's a lot here and it's just tedious =\
[10:46] <shiftplusone> Macer, element14 AUS says within 3 weeks, but I would suspect that it varies depending on the country.
[10:46] <Macer> yeah i'm sure. i'm in the US so maybe slower
[10:47] <Macer> i hear people are trampling others for a pi
[10:47] <Macer> :) just like Jesus would want for his birthday
[10:48] * shiftplusone forces himself not to go on a rant. >.>
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[10:51] <herdingcat> the ethernet is smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:a8:4c:8b ?
[10:51] <GabrialDestruir> Oh... I just love Spec sheets..... that are just the same thing as the advertisement, don't you?
[10:52] <Yotson> "Manufacturers opinions."
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> artag, yes, mine back-powers the Pi, but as it also front-powers the Pi, it's not a big deal.
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir> Knock Off Belkin devices yay :D
[10:55] <GabrialDestruir> Always shady when the supposed company that makes them doesn't have them on their site :D
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[10:56] <Armand> Belkin are shite anyways..
[10:56] <n1ko> actually they are one of the best brands making usb-hubs
[10:57] <Armand> O_o
[10:57] * Armand slaps n1ko harshly..
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[10:59] <Armand> I haven't come across a single item from Hellkin that wasn't made from chewing gum and foil... they have random faults or just break.
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> everything is made to a budget these days - even the Pi ...
[11:04] <Armand> Granted, but at least they didn't make it from scrap paper and bits of toe-jam.
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[11:06] <Yotson> even the Pi? Wasn't budget a big important part of the development of the Pi?
[11:06] <mgarces> hi there
[11:06] <Armand> mgarces, .o/
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[11:14] <gordonDrogon> Yotson, yes - the Pi was made to a budget -what can we make for $35 ...
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[11:15] <Yotson> yup. my point was that budget is always important.
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[11:16] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to decide.... how relevant is some of this info....
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> F4U039qukAPL 7 port Ultra-Slim Desktop Hub (internally two Genesys Logic 05e3:0608 devices - powering RPi from port furthest away from power supply. Toshiba Stor.E 1TB must be powered from ports closest to the power supply to avoid errors in dmesg. Flash drives seem fine on ports away from the power supply.)
[11:17] <GabrialDestruir> This for example, is all of that info really relevant?
[11:19] <runemaste> does anyone have the official rasbian distribution that came with a new 512mb pi?
[11:19] <runemaste> i think i know why I can't use my usb to serial
[11:19] <runemaste> and why it doesn't appear to apply any modules
[11:19] <runemaste> (when I modprobe
[11:19] <runemaste> i just want to see if i broke it
[11:20] <frikinz> what happens in dmesg when you modprobe?
[11:20] <frikinz> (don't have a pi under the hand)
[11:20] <runemaste> nothing
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[11:20] <runemaste> at all
[11:20] <runemaste> but I've found this
[11:21] <runemaste> root@raspberrypi:/lib/modules# ls -al
[11:21] <runemaste> total 16
[11:21] <runemaste> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 16 10:22 .
[11:21] <runemaste> drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 Nov 23 21:15 ..
[11:21] <runemaste> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 16 10:22 3.1.9+
[11:21] <runemaste> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 16 10:22 3.1.9-cutdown+
[11:21] <runemaste> root@raspberrypi:/lib/modules# uname -r
[11:21] <runemaste> 3.2.27+
[11:21] <frikinz> hum that's weird
[11:21] <runemaste> shouldn't there be a folder in /lib/modules for the current running kernel version?
[11:21] <frikinz> yes. unless kernel has module disabled or NO module have been built
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[11:21] <runemaste> hmm
[11:22] <runemaste> root@raspberrypi:/lib/modules# zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i 'u232'
[11:22] <runemaste> CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MCT_U232=m
[11:22] <frikinz> grep CONFIG_MODULES /boot/config-xx
[11:22] <runemaste> config-xx?
[11:23] <runemaste> i only have config.txt... i had some issues with my boot partition, i thought i had fixed them though
[11:23] <runemaste> hrm
[11:24] <frikinz> do you have a /boot entry in /etc/fstab? mmcblk0p1 ?
[11:24] <frikinz> also config can be in /proc/config.gz (if settings has been enabled during linux build.. again :)
[11:24] <runemaste> hmm paste isn't working
[11:24] <runemaste> yes i do have a /boot entry
[11:25] <runemaste> it's possible i've just stuffed my boot partition
[11:25] <frikinz> don't reboot then. ever :)
[11:26] <runemaste> heh, i stuffed it originally and then i finally found copies of the files i thought i needed
[11:26] <runemaste> apparently not all
[11:26] <runemaste> guess i'll have to rebuild it
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[11:26] <runemaste> it's basically a vanilla install, except for firebird
[11:27] <frikinz> if you have a linux machine next, it needs about a minute to rebuild a /boot
[11:27] <GabrialDestruir> Just realized that the colors on my secondary monitor aren't what they should be.
[11:27] <frikinz> don't know for the rasp specific methods, only had pi a few weeks ago, played a few hours
[11:28] <runemaste> same :P
[11:28] <frikinz> runemaste: does mount shows /boot mounted?
[11:28] <runemaste> yup
[11:28] <frikinz> umount /boot ; mount /boot ; ls /boot
[11:28] <frikinz> (in case the mount failed)
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[11:29] <frikinz> also check dmesg
[11:29] <runemaste> also, fyi, the way i bricked my boot partition is running the firmware update script
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[11:29] <runemaste> got the new 512 mb version, but the firmware only allowed me to use 256 mb
[11:29] <runemaste> ran the update script for 4 hours before i gave up
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[11:34] <frikinz> you could run it with adding a set -x just after the #!/bin/bash so active debug
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[11:38] <runemaste> this was a few days ago
[11:38] <runemaste> i made the mistake of rebooting
[11:38] <runemaste> it had nearly cleared boot :P
[11:38] <frikinz> :)
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[11:40] <frikinz> did you also check with like badblocks that the sd is not damaged?
[11:40] <frikinz> after that, rerun rpi-update
[11:40] <runemaste> ill download a new image first
[11:41] <runemaste> then i'll give it a go :) thanks mate!
[11:41] <frikinz> yes might be a better idea if your modules doesn't countain the needed stuff
[11:41] <runemaste> :)
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[11:42] <runemaste> it didn't even occur to me that this would be why it wasn't working :P
[11:42] <runemaste> need to buy a powered USB hub, every time i re-plug this usb to serial the rPi shuts down :P
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone want to take over this tedious job of converting old information into a table? >.>
[11:43] <frikinz> I've played a bit with ftdi usb to serial to do a gpio like from usb. quite nice
[11:43] <frikinz> GabrialDestruir: where is old info?
[11:44] <frikinz> only if scriptable
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Hubs
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir> IT's not scriptable.... and it's time consuming...
[11:46] <frikinz> GabrialDestruir: so the bullets stuff under the table need to be integrated into the table.
[11:46] <frikinz> ?
[11:47] <GabrialDestruir> Right, I feel the bullet stuff is completely disorganized, makes it hard to see what is what.
[11:47] <frikinz> ah also problem usb hubs has no table
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[11:48] <frikinz> a lot have no table actually
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[11:49] <GabrialDestruir> That's because I'm just trying to get this started, I don't think every category will need tables, for example keyboards seem pretty straight forward and understandable.
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[11:52] <Grievre> Hello! :D
[11:53] <Grievre> How flexible is the RPi's GPIO?
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[11:54] <GabrialDestruir> Actually... to be honest, why is this even all on the same page.....
[11:54] <GabrialDestruir> It just creates an overwhelming amount of information for people to sift through.
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, it's doesn't bend very well...
[11:57] <frikinz> GabrialDestruir: agreed, its much too long I'd say
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, what are you planning?
[11:57] <Grievre> haha
[11:58] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: So my housemates started this project where they basically want a 6x3 grid of LED panels, where each panel has 8x8 LEDs. The big frame they all go in is already built, and the boards and LED grids are already assembled (mostly)
[11:58] <GabrialDestruir> Well, anyways, I'd say the hubs and the SD Cards at the very least require a table, they both have a lot of items with a various expected specs which gets hard to sift through in a bullet
[11:59] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: so each 8x8 LED panel has either I2C or SPI (can't remember which) and they're meant to be daisychained together
[11:59] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: but my fear is if we try to daisychain them ALL in one big thing, we'll reach the limit of bandwidth
[11:59] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: so I want to break it into several smaller chains, and have an RPi talk to them all, so my question is how many different SPI or I2C buses could the RPI feasibly talk on?
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[12:01] <GabrialDestruir> I'll probably work on it more when I wake up, for now I'm going to bed.
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[12:07] <phire> Grievre: theoretically, it has 3 i2c buses
[12:07] <phire> but the videocore owens one of them
[12:07] <phire> for the hdmi link
[12:08] <phire> Probally not impossible to steal it back
[12:08] <Grievre> how fast are the GPIO pins
[12:09] <Grievre> could I bit-bang SPI on them?
[12:09] <Grievre> hmm that'd be kind of annoying when working with a multitasking OS...
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[12:10] <SpeedEvil> Grievre: what is this display for.
[12:11] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: what do you mean
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> Grievre: you need a lot more bandwidth if you want to show video
[12:11] <Grievre> 10 fps would be fine
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> Grievre: as you need to update at least a few hundred times a second, if the panels do not do grey scale
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> and you want to dither
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> how large a wall is this?
[12:12] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: we're not doing "video". It's just going to display patterns
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> 100 modules, or 100000/?
[12:12] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: I already said how big it was
[12:12] <Grievre> 6x3 grid of LED panels, where each panel has 8x8 LEDs.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> oh.
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> under 5000 LEDs is quite tractable
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> unless the protocol is insane
[12:14] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: the frame rate for each panel is probably going to be limited by the speed of the panel controller anyway
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[12:14] <SpeedEvil> first thing, you need to read and understand the data sheet of the panel
[12:14] <Grievre> there is no datasheet, we built them
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> designing before you get to that is silly
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> you clearly don't understand them though.
[12:15] <Grievre> ?!
[12:15] <Grievre> Why do you say that
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> 'i2c or spi'
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> they differ.
[12:15] <Grievre> I just couldn't remember
[12:16] <Grievre> besides which we're not really stuck with any particular protocol. We have two data pins pass through and connect to two pins on the uC
[12:16] <Grievre> which can make those two pins do whatever we want, no?
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> do they share a spi/i2c ID, and daisy chain all the way through using their own protocol?
[12:16] <Grievre> right now they don't do anything because the code for the uC is not written
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> or do you address each one over a shared bus?
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> ah, right.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, there is a kernel SPI drive which you should use.
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[12:17] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: okay. Can I repurpose GPIO pins for SPI and still use that driver?
[12:17] <Grievre> because I'm probably going to need more than just the pins which are already set aside for SPI
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> Grievre: you probably don't want to.
[12:18] <Grievre> ?
[12:18] <Grievre> ok
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[12:18] <SpeedEvil> Grievre: 5000 LEDs, if black and white, is not a lot of data
[12:18] <Grievre> they're RGB leds
[12:18] <Grievre> and we want them to have 8-bit brightness levels
[12:18] <Grievre> so 24 bits per LED
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> are they analog, or digital?
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> the dither is inbuilt?
[12:19] <Grievre> Why do we want to dither?
[12:19] <Grievre> the LEDs are like an inch apart
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> pwm then
[12:19] <Grievre> and have a diffuser in front of them
[12:19] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: yes that is how we are doing it
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> Aldo, consider pwm, with bit reversed order. it can have lots slower clock than normal pwm, without flicker.
[12:20] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: we're not doing PWM directly from the uC
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> bit banging on gpios is going to be enormously slower than using the hardware interfaces.
[12:21] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: for each 8x8 panel we have four serially-controlled LED drivers, three source (for red, green blue) and one sync
[12:21] <Grievre> er one sink
[12:21] <Grievre> we light up one row at a time
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> the spi can be quite fast, and you're only asking for 50 bytes/s
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> 60kbytes
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[12:23] <SpeedEvil> 600khz should be plausible for the spi interface.
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> even for i2c
[12:23] <Grievre> you can set the clock rate of the RPi outputs? that's good to know
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> though you will run into fanout issues
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> the alternative is to connect it in parallel.
[12:24] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: so the concern with the clock rate of the bus is not whether the RPi can transmit at that rate, but whether the AVRs can receive at that rate
[12:24] <Grievre> AND still do their job with the data they receive
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> on the gpio have a strobe, and 8 data lines
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> many avr have hardware for receiving it.
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> i2c/spi that is.
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> it you went for parallel, it would just be a case of outputting 5000 bytes, one at a time over gpio, and toggling the clock
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[12:27] <SpeedEvil> then raise a 'load' output to load the shifted data into the array from the avrs.
[12:27] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: so I'm fairly sure it's I2C we're working with here
[12:28] <Grievre> because we've only got two wires
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[12:28] <phire> Grievre: its output only, you don't need the 3rd spi pin
[12:29] <Grievre> SPI has four pins though?
[12:29] <phire> oh, chip select too
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> what i2c speed does your avr support then, and does it support block writes of the 256 bytes of ram.
[12:31] <Grievre> I'm trying to figure thato ut
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[12:32] <egrouse> its at this point i realise that there are certain things i literally have no knowledge of whatsoever
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[12:34] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: I think the most we can get out of it is 400 kHz
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> 18*256*8 is 36000 bits
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> that's not implausible, if you can do block writes to each devices ram.
[12:36] <Grievre> what is 18*256*8
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> 6*3*8*8*8
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> data required for your array
[12:37] <Grievre> er, that's 9216
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> oops
[12:37] <Grievre> not 36000
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[12:37] <SpeedEvil> I it's not
[12:37] <Grievre> I literally just punched that into google
[12:37] <Grievre> it's 9216
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> grr
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> silly calculator
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[12:38] <Grievre> 8*8 is 64
[12:38] <Grievre> not 256
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> not woken up yet
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> that makes it rather more tractabkr
[12:39] <Grievre> gotta add overhead though
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> overhead if you can select a led array, and do a block write of 512 bits is small
[12:40] <SpeedEvil> if you need to address each led, it's huge
[12:40] <Grievre> er, 1536 bits...
[12:41] <Grievre> 8 bits per color, 24 bits per LED, 64 LEDs per module
[12:41] <Grievre> we could cut the bits per pixel down to 16 and it'd probably be fine
[12:41] <phire> so you just dump an array into each module
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> first thing is to find out if large block writes can work.
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> if they can, it may just work, easily with one i2c bus
[12:43] <phire> 27KB per frame
[12:43] <phire> for the whole thing
[12:43] <phire> how many fps do you want?
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> sorry - been AFK.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, the SPI drive needs 3 or 4 of the 17 pins- the rest are avalable. It will run at over 8MHz if needed, so 1MB/sec is easilyl achievable.
[12:45] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: yes but the receivers can only go up to 400 kHz as was mentioned a few minutes ago
[12:45] <Grievre> also it's I2C not SPI
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, oh. good luck there then. all the LED drivers I've seen have been SPI. Much better ...
[12:46] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: so people have gotten 50 fps with this exact setup, with two 8x8 panels
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> the Pi's I2C wil lgo up to 1MHz I think.
[12:47] <Grievre> SpeedEvil: with the I2C bus running at 400 kHz
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[12:50] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: are the I2C outputs of the Pi actually different from the GPIO pins as far as the chip itself is concerned, or are they only just treated differently in software?
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[13:02] <Jck_true> Grievre: There's dedicated I2C hardware - But they can be used as GPIO pins too
[13:02] <Grievre> k
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> yea (sorry, keep having to do work ;-)
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> the Pi has 17 GPIO pins - of these, 2 can be use for I2C, 5 for SPI and 2 for serial - leaving 8 general purpose "GPIO" pins.
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[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Rev 2 Pi's have 4 more GPIOs too.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> but if you want, you can re-provision the SPI, I2C and serial pins for GPIO pins.
[13:23] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I wanted to do the other way around
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[13:23] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: have multiple I2C outputs
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[13:40] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, only one thats easy to get to.
[13:40] <phire> Grievre: you could, but they would be insainly slow
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> hardware assisted is enormously faster
[13:40] <phire> gordonDrogon: where does the second one come out?
[13:41] <Grievre> phire: how fast can you toggle the GPIO pins?
[13:41] <Grievre> assuming I'm working in kernel space and can access the hardware directly
[13:41] <phire> the 3rd one would be easy enough to get to by cutting up an hdmi cable
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[13:42] <phire> Grievre: not exactly sure
[13:44] <phire> I've heard someone saying the arm can push out bits faster than the gipos can change
[13:45] <Grievre> ?_? how does that work
[13:45] <Weaselweb> isn't the raise time also affected by line capacity & stuff?
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[13:47] <phire> I think the gpios are in a diffrent clock domain
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> I think the 2nd is sometghing to do with the new camera interface.
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, you can toggle the gpio's at 12MHz max, but you have no time to do anything else...
[13:51] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: that's cool, I only need 400 kHz
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> are you sure the interface is i2c ?
[13:56] <phire> gordonDrogon: I see it on that connector
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[13:57] <Weaselweb> Grievre: do you actually need multiple i2c busses? i2c is multi-master, multi-slave
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[13:58] <Grievre> Weaselweb: yes, because one bus can't handle the amount of data
[13:59] <phire> Ok, if you solder to r42 and r43 you can access the second i2c bus
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[13:59] <Weaselweb> Grievre: in which way it cannot handle the data? too much data needs to be polled in few cycles?
[14:00] <Grievre> Weaselweb: the receiving devices can only operate at 400kHz
[14:00] <Weaselweb> which is std i2c
[14:00] <Grievre> and the data I need to send per second is more than they can handle
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[14:00] <phire> but those smd resisters are tiney
[14:01] <Weaselweb> Grievre: i doubt you will get reliable results if you actually need 3x 400kHz to put your data in 1s without rt-preempt patches
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[14:02] <Grievre> Weaselweb: whatcha mean?
[14:04] <Weaselweb> Grievre: if you actually need 3x 400kHz to get enough data/s to your devices you need short latencies between each i2c transfer. and you will get that only with realtime patches
[14:05] <Grievre> Weaselweb: hmm
[14:06] <Grievre> Weaselweb: are the drivers for RPi's GPIO pins in the mainline linux kernel or is the source viewable elsewhere?
[14:06] <Weaselweb> oh, i forget you do want to do bit-banging. then my statement is even more true
[14:06] <Weaselweb> no idea what is mainline and what not
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> what's the actual devices you're talking to?
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> the i2c driver is in the rpi kernel, so you get the source - the actual GPIO pins are just memorry acessible peripherals.
[14:08] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: ATMega328's I2C input I believe
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Oh right.
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> so what does the atmega drive - just a bunch of LEDs?
[14:08] <Grievre> yep
[14:09] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: So wait, they're memory accessible peripherals? Like, you can do MMIO to them directly in userspace?
[14:09] <Grievre> there's no kernel space drivers?
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> well, there is for the sysfs interface, but if you want to bang them from userland, then you can - but need to be root.
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, check my wiringPi library if you want to see how to.
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[14:25] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I would definitely not want to bang them from userland in this case
[14:26] <Grievre> I'd probably write a kernel driver to do it
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[14:32] <Weaselweb> Grievre: afaik i2c has already a gpio bitbanging driver
[14:35] <Grievre> Weaselweb: Do you know where in the source tree that is?
[14:35] <Grievre> the kernel source tree
[14:35] <Grievre> I'm finding it hard to wade through
[14:36] <Weaselweb> Grievre: linux/drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit.c
[14:36] <Weaselweb> i get this in current git master, but i guess this drivers is there for several years
[14:37] <Grievre> Weaselweb: do you know where the arch-specific driver for i2c is?
[14:37] <Weaselweb> linux/drivers/i2c/busses/
[14:37] <Weaselweb> where all the i2c drivers are...
[14:37] <Grievre> which one is it? :x
[14:38] <Weaselweb> dunno, check your kernel config and the makefile which file is build
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[14:40] <Grievre> Oh wow!
[14:41] <Grievre> The python RPi.GPIO module
[14:41] <Grievre> actually opens /dev/mem
[14:41] <Grievre> and manually does that stuff
[14:41] <Grievre> damn
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[14:45] <Grievre> Weaselweb: So yeah it looks like there IS an i2c-gpio driver, BUT there is no GPIO driver for the rpi's chip
[14:45] <Grievre> Weaselweb: you have to do it by hand :(
[14:46] <Weaselweb> iirc gordond said the gpios are available under /sys/class/gpio, so there must be a gpio driver
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[14:47] <Weaselweb> *gordon
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[14:49] <Grievre> hm
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, there are kernel drivers for i2c avalable.
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> however it will only use the i2c hardware on the SoC.
[15:05] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: what's the module name?
[15:05] <Grievre> I'm trying to find the src
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> and while there is no kernel "driver" for the GPIO as such - ie. no /dev/ entry, it's still usable from kernel or userlane.
[15:06] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: oh so what Weaselweb said above was wrong? (about /sys/class/gpio)
[15:06] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: So if there WERE a kernel GPIO driver, then I could easily combine that and the i2c_gpio driver to get additional I2C ports
[15:06] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: which would be nice!
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> you need 2 modules - the standard i2c-dev module and i2c_bcm2708
[15:06] <Grievre> no writing kernel modules necssary
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> ok.. hang on .
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> The /sys/class/gpio is a kernel driver.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> but it's a rather slow interface.
[15:07] * Grievre nods
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> so it all depends on what you want to do - if you want to use i2c, then use the kernel i2c driver the same way youy're use an i2c driver in any other Linux system.
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> same for SPI.
[15:08] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: well I want multiple I2C buses
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[15:08] <gordonDrogon> then the Pi isn't the device for you.
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> unless you want to write a bit-banged driver using some of the other GPIO pins.
[15:09] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I was thinking of doing exactly that
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> and to get accurate timing, you'll need to write it as a kernel module.
[15:09] <Grievre> yep
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> looking at the existing driver framework may help to get the Linux interface going - unless you're already familiar with that, but the lower levels deal with the I2C hardware on the Soc - which you'll not have.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> Personally, I'd suggest looknig for a better solution.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> So - how many ATmegas are you talking to - and is this an off-the-shelf unit, or something you've made?
[15:10] <FBeans> so, what games have people seen, heard about, or got working themselves on the Pi?
[15:10] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I feel like I could probably use the i2c_gpio module as a starting point, and just replace the calls to the gpio API with MMIO accesses
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> FBeans, I got snake working, but I had to write a BASIC interpreter for it... ;-)
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> FBeans, http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb
[15:11] <FBeans> gordonDrogon: GOod Job!
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, timing. you need timing. I don't think it wil lbe as simple as that.
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, but if you're up to it then....
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, personally, I'd look for another solution.
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, can you tell me more about the atmega module you're talking to?
[15:12] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: So we've got 18 boards with ATMega328s on them
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, neat.
[15:13] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: and the way the board is set up, there are two four-pin headers on either side which are interchangeable, and connected to +5V, GND, serial data and serial clock
[15:13] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: pretty sure they're connected to the I2C/TWI ports on the avrs
[15:13] <Grievre> but I don't have the boards physically with me at the moment
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> are they a comercial board?
[15:14] <Grievre> one of my former housemates designed them
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> ok - ask them what the interface is :)
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[15:15] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: well he set it up to use the neorainbowduino code
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> and it may well be tha they're designed to be chained together - I2C is designed to be daisy chained...
[15:15] <Grievre> so it should be set up identically to that
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[15:15] <Grievre> they /are/ designed to be chained together
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[15:15] <Grievre> but I don't think 400kHz is enough bandwidth to do more than 10 FPS with 18 boards
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> ok, so only one I2C interface needed then?
[15:15] <Grievre> 20-30 FPS is what we want
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> How many LEDs per board?
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/rainbowduino-led-driver-platform-atmega-328-p-371.html
[15:17] <Grievre> gordonDrogon; 64 LEDs per board, they're RGB, we want at least 16bpp
[15:17] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: *neo*rainbowduino
[15:17] <Grievre> regular rainbowduino is just set up for a single board
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[15:21] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: can you suggest an alternative to the raspberry pi that can do multiple i2c outputs?
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> I guess it all depends on the number of bytes it takes to set a particular LED to a particular colour.
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[15:21] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, not without googling.
[15:21] <Jck_true> Grievre: Arduino?
[15:21] <Jck_true> Grievre: How many you need?
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> arduino really only has one I2C interface...
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> you'd need to bit-bang the others.
[15:22] <Jck_true> Well Arduino Nano - just buy serveal
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:23] <Jck_true> I'll build the worlds first Arduino Nano cluster!
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> Have to say, I'd probably end up designing my own board to drive these things and use SPI...
[15:23] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: what chip tho?
[15:23] <Jck_true> Grievre: Port expanders
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> so... 18 panels of 64 RGB LEDs?
[15:25] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: yep
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> sure an LCD monitor won't be a better solution ;-)
[15:25] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: this thing takes up an entire wall
[15:26] <Grievre> and it needs to be bright
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> 2x9 ?
[15:26] <Grievre> (it's a party decoration)
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> 3x6...
[15:26] <Jck_true> Grievre: LM8330 from TI... 104 port I2C port expander...
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> not sure you could turn the bits on/off fast enought for that...
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> you need PWM control of each colour - so 3 PWM drivers per LED
[15:27] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I can already get decent FPS with the individual panels
[15:27] <Jck_true> He wants PWM too?
[15:27] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: so none of that is a problem
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> if you want carying colours...
[15:27] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: I've written test firmware for them and they're pretty fast
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> varying.
[15:28] <Dyskette> http://i.imgur.com/8Qhk5.jpg
[15:28] <Jck_true> Well uhm yeah it is -- You wanna control 9 times as many...
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, this is test firmware on the atmegas?
[15:28] <Grievre> yes
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[15:28] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: can get up to 50 FPS at least
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[15:28] <gordonDrogon> ok. here is what I'd probably be tempted to do...
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> dump I2C and invent your own SPI.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> however, even then the Pi doesn't have enough IO lines.
[15:29] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: So you're basically saying dump the boards as they exist...
[15:29] <phire> the boards have an avr on them?
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, no ... pondering.
[15:30] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: the boards are already assembled, I might be willing to modify them but I'm not willing to scrap them
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[15:30] <Grievre> phire: yes
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> you have the boards - an I2C interface can be bit-banged as SPI - one clock, one data...
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> but the Pi can be bit-banged SPI to - one clock, one data.
[15:30] <phire> I'd be tempted to add some compression to get it running off the 400khz of i2c we have
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> however you need some sort of select mechanism for each board.
[15:31] <phire> or get out a soldering iron and modifiy the pi to access all 3 of its i2c interfaces
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:32] <Jck_true> Grievre:" Single line, multicolour LED sign, 985mm wide" - 458GBP sounds like the cheaper solution by now...
[15:32] <Grievre> Jck_true: er, everything is already bought and paid for though
[15:32] <Jck_true> Nice one ...
[15:32] <Grievre> Jck_true: link?
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[15:32] <Jck_true> http://www.led-sign.co.uk/
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> if you need to sent 64 bytes to each board, then at 400KHz, it's 50K bytes/sec, so just over a second to fill one panel.
[15:32] <Grievre> Jck_true: those aren't RGB
[15:33] <phire> no soldering iron needed, assuming the videocore firmware plays nice you can just cut up an hdmi cable
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[15:33] <Jck_true> " multicolour LEDs (red and green in each pixel, giving red, green, yellow, orange and rainbow effects etc). "
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> so I think you're already up against it, even using I2C.
[15:33] <Grievre> Jck_true: variable brightness?
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> or have I got my sums wrong.
[15:33] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: er what?
[15:34] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: as I mentioned before, this has already been done just fine with two boards
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[15:34] <Grievre> you can get 50 FPS with two 8x8 panels
[15:34] <Jck_true> I have no idea - I just went to my good friend google :)
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, so hang on - you're saying you've already gotten this connected up to a Pi?
[15:34] <Grievre> no
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[15:34] <gordonDrogon> connected to what then?
[15:34] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: "this has been done" not by me
[15:34] <Grievre> but with the exact same setup
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, ok - so I'm saying that to control 64 LEDs you need to send the board 64 commands... actually more - e.g. if it's 16bpp then you need to send it 128 bytes.
[15:35] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: yes
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> at 400KHz you can send 50,000 bytes/sec.
[15:35] <Grievre> yes
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> so to send 128 bytes takes 2.5mS
[15:36] <Grievre> er what
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> or 390 frames/sec.
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> so one pi can command one board at 390 fps.
[15:36] <Grievre> 0.25 ms you mean
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> 128/50000 = 0.00256 = 2.56mS
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[15:37] <Grievre> oh derp
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[15:37] <gordonDrogon> so commanding 18 boards via one I2C interface: 390/18 = 21 fps.
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> that would be the absolute flat-out speed.
[15:38] <Grievre> right
[15:38] <phire> bit slow
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> The Pi can run the I2C at 1MHz... so you'd double the rate.
[15:39] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: except the AVRs can't receive at faster than 400 kHz
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> but it would depend on the ATmegas being able to handle that - I'm pretty sure they can though.
[15:39] <Grievre> (let's do the time warp again)
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[15:39] <Grievre> I keep having to say the same thing over and over
[15:39] <phire> what atmegas do you have?
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> ok, but I just wanted to do the calulations for myself.
[15:39] <Grievre> It's like this endless loop, where a new person joins the conversations and asks questions I've already answered
[15:39] <phire> lets look at the datasheets
[15:39] <Grievre> then while I'm answering those questions, another new person enters etc
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> do that first before working out that it's not going to work - if you have already done that then fine, but I didn't see it.
[15:40] <A318T> Grievre, can we start from the top :)
[15:40] <A318T> j/k
[15:40] <phire> So Grievre, what is your opinion on using the pi's multiple i2c interfaces?
[15:41] <phire> 6 boards per interface
[15:42] <Grievre> phire: can I even use them that way though?
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> if you could hack them out, that might work...
[15:42] <Grievre> what pins do the other two interfaces come out?
[15:42] <phire> I'm pretty sure if you disable hdmi in config.txt it won't touch the 3rd i2c interface
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with I2C is that it's a horrible procotoll, so bit banging it is ugly.
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[15:43] <phire> otehrwise, I can hack it out of a start.elf for you
[15:43] <Essobi> I've got my 328P dangling from 1 i2c port. :D
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> even with multiple interfaces I'd start to be concerned about the ability to move the data through the Pi - it's not a lot of data, but it might be somewhat tricky...
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[15:44] <phire> I'm sure they have fifos
[15:45] <phire> just dump the data into registers
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> the I2C on the atmega comes in via the analog side - I thought it was 400KHz and 1MHz, but have just checked and it's 400KHz and 100KHz )-:
[15:46] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: okay how simple is SPI
[15:46] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: kooky idea: bit-ban I2C on top of SPI, interleave the bits for the multiple buses, use a serial-in parallel-out shift register
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, eek :)
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> SPI - a simple interface - a bit like I2C - you put a bit out, then toggle the clock, bit/clock, bit/clock, etc.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> but there's virtually no prorocoll involved.
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> there is normally a separate 'select' line too - not always needed, but it's used as a reset for each device.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> but it won't help here - as you'll need to poll for the level change on the pins and the ATmega won't be fast enough to run at anything more than I2C speeds
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> unless yo use the SPI pins on the ATmega - which will involve board changes which I'm assuming won't be possible right now.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> here is another solution:
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[15:50] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: wait you ignored my idea
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, yes, I did.
[15:50] <Grievre> why
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> IT seems overly complex.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> not even sure it would be possible.
[15:50] <Grievre> it's not really complex at all
[15:50] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: but let me hear your solution
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> 10 Pi's.
[15:51] <Grievre> cha-ching, already out
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> 9 controlling 2 boards each via I2C and one acting as a sequencer...
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> Ahhhh... So youre' doing this on the cheap then ;-)
[15:51] <Grievre> if I'm gonna do THAT I might as well use 9 arduinos and a USB hub
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> you've already for 18 arduinos though.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> or 18 Atmegas...
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[15:52] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: also if I'm gonna do THAT I might as well just attach the Pis to the LED drivers directly
[15:52] <Grievre> one Pi per two boards
[15:52] <Grievre> and skip the AVRs
[15:53] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: yes but that is a sunk cost
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> PWM is an issue there though.
[15:56] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: okay let me flesh out my shift register idea real quick
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> shift registers are cool...
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[16:02] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: so I'm assuming I can run at least 3 boards with a single I2C bus at 400 kHz and get at least 20 FPS
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[16:02] <Grievre> so I'll need 6 of those
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[16:04] <phire> why are your overhead perdictions so pesimistic?
[16:04] <phire> Am I missing something?
[16:05] <Grievre> phire: So while the AVR can read data at 400 kHz, I'm not positive that it can /process/ the data that fast
[16:05] <Grievre> it might have some kind of buffer, I dunno
[16:07] <K4k> Has anyone loaded slackware arm on their Pi? I am looking for some assistance with troubleshooting. I was able to install it without any issue but after install and the first reboot I seem to have lost networking and USB input.
[16:07] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: ok let me try and draw a circuit here somehow
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> ok
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> there have been some big shift-register LED projects done on the Pi.
[16:11] <phire> K4k: well, networking is usb based
[16:11] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: wait up a second
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK2YZlF_IJc
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> oh, that's not shift-registers. my mistake.
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[16:18] <K4k> phire: so, you're suggesting there is an issue with the USB driver?
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> K4k, many issues with the usb drivers, but it might just be that the slackware kernel is a bit older - can you upgrade to the latest kernel and boot codes?
[16:21] <K4k> gordonDrogon: Slackware 14.0 uses the 3.2 kernel
[16:22] <chatlow> hi im trying to get a cheap ralink 2070 wireless usb to work with the pi. it shows up in iwconfig but doesnt connect when typing in essid etc. can anyone help?
[16:22] <echelon> you guys using armedslack?
[16:22] <K4k> echelon: yes
[16:22] <echelon> awesome :)
[16:22] <K4k> having some troubles though
[16:22] <echelon> hmm
[16:23] <echelon> http://www.daves-collective.co.uk/raspi/ ?
[16:24] <echelon> hmm.. dunno why it contains a swap partition on an sd card img
[16:25] <nid0> why not?
[16:25] <echelon> it's bad for the sd card
[16:25] <nid0> oh dear, this old chestnut
[16:25] <K4k> echelon: where would you put it?
[16:26] <echelon> is it necessary?
[16:26] <phire> lol
[16:26] <K4k> I would argue that it is with only 256/512MB
[16:26] <nid0> 1) the swap on a pi should hardly ever be used, when it is needed its helpful, and 2) even if it were being hammered all the time, its going to reduce the lifespan of your sd card from decades to years and years and years
[16:26] <egrouse> sd cards have a lifetime?
[16:26] <K4k> oh yes
[16:27] <K4k> as does most solid state memory
[16:27] <nid0> they have a finite number of write cycles
[16:27] <nid0> for sd cards its currently in the order of hundreds of thousands
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[16:27] <nid0> and they have built in wear levelling
[16:27] <K4k> nid0: sd cards now have wear leveling, like ssd drives?
[16:27] <bertrik> nid0: which is very secret
[16:27] <nid0> which means in typical usage, you sd cards will belong in a museum before you kill one
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[16:28] <nid0> K4k: yes - its generally fairly rudimentary, but it doesnt need to be anything particularly complex
[16:28] <K4k> does it work with trim?
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[16:29] <nid0> no, different process
[16:30] <K4k> ah, ok
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> K4k, Raspbian is on: 3.2.27+ #250
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> yea, use a swapfile - much more flexible these days.
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[16:33] <K4k> gordonDrogon: slackware 14 is on 3.2.29
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> K4k, well if the kernel is Ok, then maybe it's something in the startup scripts that not recgnising the ethernet, etc.
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[16:49] <K4k> gordonDrogon: I'm thinking I may have not included something I needed since, to save time, I did not do a full install.
[16:49] <K4k> the armedslack install on the Pi takes several hours
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[16:54] <Grievre> gordonDrogon: bah I'm obsessing over the details, but basically I figure it should be trivial to have a device that has n I2C output buses at 400 MHz, and a single SPI input bus at 2n*400 MHz
[16:54] <Grievre> er kHz sorry
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[17:00] <K4k> Anyone here given RiscOS a look yet? I'm dumping that to one of my SD cards for kicks.
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[17:07] <echelon> hey TimRiker! :)
[17:07] <echelon> thinking about getting bzflag to run on the pi? heh
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[17:09] <arcanescu> how do i update the OS on pi ? apt-get upgrade?
[17:10] <solusipse> first update then upgrade
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[17:12] <TimRiker> echelon, that would be fun. :) I think I did try running a server on it and it worked just fine. not tried the client though. not a full opengl implmentation there yet, right?
[17:13] <echelon> yeah :,
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, ok - go for it and post videos :)
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[17:36] <gordonDrogon> arcanescu, sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
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[18:37] <Kane> poy all
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[18:42] <srg> hey guys
[18:42] <srg> I'm having some issues with sound on my pi
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[18:43] <srg> I have it connected via HDMI. My monitor has built-in speakers. I have alsa-utils and alsa-base installed (I'm running raspbian). When I aplay the alsa Front-Center.wav, sound works fine
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[18:43] <srg> but when I use omxplayer to play any type of video (or flac files too), there is no sound.
[18:44] <srg> I have hdmi_drive=2 in my /boot/config.txt
[18:45] <srg> I did have to modprobe the sound driver into my kernel
[18:45] <srg> aplay Front-Center.wav gave me an error until I did that.
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[18:46] <GabrialDestruir> Does anyone know if it's possible to add a collapse function to tables on the elinux wiki?
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[18:59] <GabrialDestruir> I have a question.... I get that we'res suppose to be making a list of "Verified" Peripherals.... but should we be really adding the devices that are all like "This is the brand... and how many ports.... and some of this info idVendor=0409, idProduct=0050.... no model number or name though"
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[19:03] <GabrialDestruir> I mean a list of verified peripherals is only useful as long as people can find whatever item it is that's suppose to work, otherwise it's just a bunch of useless data?
[19:04] <akk> A database like that could at least tell people after they've bought something whether it might work
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[19:04] <akk> but a db that would tell people *before* they buy is a lot more useful.
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[19:06] <GabrialDestruir> Well currently I'm trying to convert the exist data into real information.
[19:06] <GabrialDestruir> Tables that can nicely organize everything.
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[19:08] <akk> What sorts of peripherals? Is this different from any list of devices supported by linux kernels?
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[19:09] <GabrialDestruir> Devices that have been verified to work with the RPi
[19:10] <akk> The difference is, what, power usage? Not drawing too much power from USB? Or what drivers come installed on Raspbian?
[19:10] <GabrialDestruir> Power usage I think.
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[19:11] <GabrialDestruir> But also like the SDCard section has working and problematic SD Cards listed
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[19:12] <GabrialDestruir> and hubs tend to be in this weird market of "Quality Control isn't needed" so while something should be what it says, it might not be?
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[19:13] <ccolorado> I am having problems with my rpi, I need to have it running overnight, but every morning the webserver is not responding and i think it is pretty much halted
[19:13] <nid0> whats plugged into the pi
[19:13] <ccolorado> any idea how can i diagnosticate what is going on?
[19:14] <ccolorado> nid0: just an external harddrive
[19:14] <x29a> ccolorado: does the power supply provide enough?
[19:14] <x29a> i know somebody with quite the same symptoms
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[19:15] <ccolorado> x29a: the board is plugged into the same surge protection that my desktop is
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[19:15] <ccolorado> the harddrive has its own power source
[19:15] <x29a> ccolorado: the power supply for the pi i mean
[19:16] <ccolorado> that was my first line
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[19:16] <ccolorado> x29a: the board is plugged into the same surge protection that my desktop is
[19:16] <nid0> and how is the pi connected to the surge protection.
[19:17] <x29a> you said that already, but i dont assume you are powering it with 110-230V directly?
[19:17] <ccolorado> oh
[19:17] <nid0> your line says nothing of what the power supply connecting the two is rated at
[19:17] <x29a> as in, how many mA can your ACDC provide?
[19:18] <x29a> ccolorado: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=19854
[19:18] <ccolorado> this is the adapter http://www.newark.com/adafruit-industries/501/usb-port-power-supply-ac-adapter/dp/44W4932?Ntt=44W4932
[19:19] <ccolorado> allegedly USB PORT POWER SUPPLY (AC ADAPTER), 5V, 1A (1000mA)
[19:19] <x29a> 1000mA was the information we were looking for
[19:19] <ccolorado> x29a: yeah sorry for misunderstanding
[19:19] <x29a> should be ok
[19:19] <x29a> what image (operating system) and on what sd card are you running?
[19:19] <nid0> 1A should be more than ample, some people did report problems with some farnell/rs supplies not being as good as advertised though, but no idea if thats one
[19:19] <ccolorado> archlinux
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[19:20] <ccolorado> from the homepage/downloads section
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[19:22] <pksato> ccolorado: headless RPi? (no monitor)
[19:22] <ccolorado> pksato: correct
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[19:25] <ccolorado> my board is RASPBRRY-MODB-512M - MODEL B
[19:25] <ccolorado> not sure if helpfull
[19:25] <pksato> PSU problemas occurs on power up, or when some devidce is pluged.
[19:25] <GabrialDestruir> I can't wait til I get a 512 model, not sure what I'd need the extra ram for though.
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[19:26] <Kanerix> Do the 512 models use draw less power, perchance?
[19:26] <Kanerix> I keep browning out my keyboard, even with a powered hub and a 2 amp supply
[19:27] <Kanerix> s/use draw/draw/
[19:27] <Kanerix> I have one of the first spins of the model B
[19:27] <GabrialDestruir> Not that I know of, but supposedly the 512 models have removed the restriction that only allowed like 125mA or w/e to USB ports
[19:28] <Kanerix> hmm okay
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[19:28] <Kanerix> at least it's something
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[19:28] <Kanerix> It might be that mine's just screwy =/
[19:29] <Kanerix> Trying to play Quake 3 with the thing causing the keyboard to stick and stutter is less than ideal
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[19:29] <Kanerix> Usually that's a power draw problem, but I'm using a custom 2 amp supply (since USB spec only allows for up to 1 amp)
[19:30] <Kanerix> and these supposedly draw 1.2 amps
[19:30] <GabrialDestruir> Are you sure it's a power issue? If you're using a powered hub I see no reason that it would brown out.
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[19:31] <Kanerix> That's what I was told when I first had keyboard problems
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[19:31] <Kanerix> upped the supply and it seemed to do better, but when I fire the CPU all the way up, the keyboard problems return
[19:31] <nid0> remember the restriction on individual usb ports was removed but the main polyfuse on the power input is still there
[19:31] <Kanerix> also, turned up the CPU overvolt setting to about 2 and the keyboard becomes unusable
[19:31] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, that sounds more like a Pi issue than a power issue.
[19:32] <nid0> so you can still only draw 300mA ish through the two usb ports combined
[19:32] <Kanerix> Individual hardware problem?
[19:32] <Kanerix> Because that sucks
[19:32] <GabrialDestruir> Might be a software problem.
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[19:32] <Kanerix> Doesn't matter what distro, really
[19:32] <Kanerix> even did it on arch
[19:33] <GabrialDestruir> Try an alternative keyboard?
[19:33] <Kanerix> The quake distro is on raspbian
[19:33] <nid0> you arent using a backlit keyboard are you?
[19:33] <Kanerix> Yes. This isn't my first go at troubleshooting problems.
[19:34] <Kanerix> No, I'm not using a keyboard that draws more power than the machine itself
[19:34] <Kanerix> and no, I've been using small simple keyboards that draw as little as possible
[19:34] <Kanerix> It's tracked across at least three different keyboards of different makes
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[19:35] <Kanerix> Which comes back around to the question of whether this is a problem with my specific hardware or endemic to the pi itself.
[19:36] <pksato> PSU?
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[19:36] <Kanerix> 5 volt 2 amp supply
[19:36] <Kanerix> or USB
[19:36] <Kanerix> or phone charger
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[19:37] <Kanerix> (USB and phone charger can only do up to 1 amp)
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[19:38] <GabrialDestruir> Curious are there any dropbox clients for the Pi yet?
[19:38] <phire> They don't have arm binaries
[19:40] <phire> Try Orphilia
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[19:42] <GabrialDestruir> Well I know there's an sdk for python and stuff, was just curious if someone had messed with it or not.
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[20:26] <eix> hi there!
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[20:26] <eix> is an SD for the 256M supposed to work when put in a 512M version?
[20:26] <phire> yes
[20:27] <phire> but it might not detect 512mb of ram until updated
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[20:27] <eix> phire: that's what I thought also. however, I am getting a permanent red light
[20:28] <eix> and unfortunately I have no display :s
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[20:28] <phire> it could have quite an old version of the firmware on it
[20:28] <eix> :o
[20:29] <phire> which didn't do early boot flashing of the ok led
[20:29] <eix> phire: I don't think so, it was updated a bit more than 1 month ago
[20:30] <eix> generally speaking, what does the constant red light mean? could not boot kernel?
[20:30] <eix> I have inspected the kern.log in the SD image and it's definitively not writing anything on it
[20:30] <mgottschlag> it means "power connected", nothing more
[20:30] <phire> the red light is connected directly to power
[20:30] <eix> ah, ok
[20:30] <phire> if there is no flashing of the green led, then chances are no ccode is running
[20:30] <eix> I see some green lights in the beginning, then they go off
[20:31] <eix> could it be stuck because of no keyboard?
[20:31] <eix> let me plug that in
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[20:31] <mgottschlag> eix: certainly that is not your problem
[20:31] <phire> more likely an issue with config.txt or cmdline
[20:31] <pksato> no display? no imagem on monitor or tv?
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[20:32] <ccolorado> My rbpi does not support Wake-on-lan. Is this because the kernel on the image (Arch Linux ARM) , the firmware or the hardware
[20:32] <pksato> tv=cbs out.
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[20:32] <eix> pksato: completely blind
[20:32] <phire> eix: personally I would just start from a fresh image
[20:32] <phire> ccolorado: I would suspect hardware
[20:32] <eix> mgottschlag: apparently that made it work..although I know it can't be
[20:33] <mgottschlag> huh, wtf
[20:33] <pksato> ?
[20:35] <eix> mgottschlag: now I'll check the kern.log
[20:36] <ccolorado> I want to monitor my board resources remotly, what is the easiest way to do this ( my board stops responding and i am trying to diagnose when and why )
[20:36] <eix> nah. nothing written to the SD
[20:38] <pksato> ccolorado: netconsole, or serial (RS232) console. Or remote syslog.
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[20:41] <eix> mmh..systemd..
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[20:42] <ccolorado> i was thinking on sending stats via scp or rsync ...
[20:43] <ccolorado> ill look into that netconsole thing
[20:43] <ccolorado> thanks
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[20:44] <dero> I received my SS808 (same as MK808) today, after ordering on Sunday. I need to say I am impressed!
[20:44] <dero> plug'n'play and rockin' fast!
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[20:50] <coin3d> dero: which distro did you test?
[20:51] <dero> it comes with Android
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[20:52] <cdan> good afternoon
[20:54] <tinti> dero: Is mk808's android fast?
[20:55] <dero> dual core 1.3 GHz
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[20:55] <coin3d> i'd love to know how debian wheezy runs on it
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[20:55] <dero> They are working an a Ubuntu port
[20:56] <dero> but, the builder of those android sticks have not yet released the full kernel (violating GPL...)
[20:56] <dero> sources, so it's a bit tricky
[20:57] <dero> I ordered TWO: one from Berlin (70 EUR, arrived after 3 days) and one from Hong Kong (50 EUR, somewhere between China and me)
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[21:10] <axion> dero: 1.6ghz
[21:10] <axion> quad core gpu at 500mhz iirc
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[21:45] <frikinz> If everybody would have violated the GPL, we wouldn't have things like the pi now. I wouldn't buy these things untill they comply with the laws
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[22:10] <aforemny> Hello. I am trying to cross-compile kernel rpi-3.2.27 and run into troubles compiling linux/drivers/mcc/host/bcm2708_mci.c, because the compiler can't find the included <asm/sizes.h>. What library should provide this file?
[22:11] <Kanerix> That's odd
[22:11] <Kanerix> I would think that would be included in the kernel source
[22:12] <aforemny> There is a file asm/sizes.h in top level os folder. However, shouldn't it be in quotes "" rather than in brackets <>?
[22:12] <aforemny> Eh, that is sh folder. Not os.
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[22:13] <aforemny> Sorry again. There is arch/sh/include/asm/sizes.h and include/asm-gneric/sizes.h. Sorry for the confusion.
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[22:15] <aforemny> I just noticed I didn't compile the most recent version of the branch. I'll try again with the latest commit.
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[22:17] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[22:25] <trj> Hi, my pi won't boot. It was working earlier tonight, now dead. Nothing plugged in, running from a bench PSU @ 5V. On powerup the OK light flashes a few times then it stops. Any ideas?
[22:25] <Kanerix> SD Card secure?
[22:25] <trj> Seems so, tried pushing it while powering up.
[22:25] <Kanerix> um no
[22:25] <Kanerix> SD Card needs to be in BEFORE you power it up
[22:26] <trj> I meant applying force to keep a good connection.
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[22:26] <mrmoney2012> mad i just reflashed a card and it came back with the old data !
[22:26] <CelticTurnip> chuck your card in another computer and see if you can still read it, corrupt cards would be the main issue with the Pi imo
[22:27] <mrmoney2012> i have had a couple of beers but this seemed v odd to me
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[22:27] <trj> The card seems fine. I had this same problem last night, then it miraculously worked when I tried moving power from USB hub to laptop tonight. But, now it's dead again :(
[22:27] <Kanerix> trj, A corrupt card could do that too
[22:28] <trj> Both partitions mount ok on my laptop.
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[22:33] <trj> Toggling the psu a few times seems to get it to boot. Looking on a scope, the 3V line has a 20mV wobble, is that normal?
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[22:36] <scummos^> what frequency does the wobble have?
[22:37] <trj> About 40kHz
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[22:39] <axion> trj: if the ok light flashes at all it is reading the SD card
[22:39] <trj> It does
[22:39] <axion> i guess the card is bad
[22:40] <trj> How come it's intermittent then?
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[22:40] <mrmoney2012> are class 10 card problematic ?
[22:41] <mrmoney2012> i think i might have a dud 512mb unit - it keeps corrupting sd cards
[22:41] <axion> mrmoney2012: not recommended for many small files, like a rootfs
[22:42] <mrmoney2012> i run arch - so not recommended for arch ?
[22:42] <axion> ut that shouldnt be related to corruption though
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[22:43] <axion> sd card corruption is a common issue for some of us, especially with bad psu and/or overclocking
[22:43] <trj> Ok, I'll try cloning this 8GB card onto the 4GB I have. Can I just dd it across, or do I need to mess with the partition table to adjust the sizes?
[22:43] <axion> personally i only have /boot on SD and the rest on usb
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[22:54] <frikinz> axion: do you then remove the sd after it booted?
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[22:56] <axion> no, my pi is headless in a remote location where i cant be around to replace corrupted SD's, so i never write to SD and just use it for /boot
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[23:01] <aforemny> Nope. The issue still persists. Anyone up for a clue what could be wrong while compiling the most recent (GitHub) rpi-3.2.27 kernel? http://goo.gl/TrfBg What should supply the file missing?
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[23:08] <axion> new arm linux headers added not long ago. ensure abi compaibility between firmware and kernel version
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[23:11] <aforemny> axion: This means that I have to update my the kernel headers of the host machine doing the cross-build?
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[23:13] <axion> i am not very familiar with cross-compiling
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[23:13] <axion> consider using arch linux on the pi, which keeps very up to date kernel and firmware automatically
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[23:15] <aforemny> My aim is exactly cross-compiling. I'll try with more recent kernel headers. Thanks for the hint. Can you specify "not long ago"?
[23:15] <oxoocoffee> What is the max transfer rate on sd card socket v2 model b. I am on market for new sd card and do not want to buy something faster theft device supports it
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[23:16] <_av500_> buy sandisk
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[23:19] <axion> aforemny: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2011-December/077167.html
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[23:20] <axion> there is a patch on the rpi forums iirc
[23:20] <aforemny> axion: Thank you very much. :-)
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[23:21] <axion> im also not sure if this is relevant to your problem
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[23:21] <axion> but worth a try
[23:24] <aforemny> axion: I doubt it is related. Thank you anyways for your time.
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[23:31] <oxoocoffee> _av500_: that is what I am looking for but there is 30m/s 45m/s and 90m/s. price is not a problem but getting something that is will never able to use is my problem
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[23:31] <oxoocoffee> _av500_: I am looking extreme or extreme pro class
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[23:33] <oxoocoffee> Sandisk sd
[23:36] <axion> oxoocoffee: keep in mind faster cards are only recommended for a stream of data, ie video recording.a linux rootfs contains many small files being synchronously randomly written and could actually be slower
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[23:38] <oxoocoffee> axion I read few reviews where going faster sd cards helped in booting and starting x.
[23:38] <oxoocoffee> Does rPI uses swap file? If so that could help?
[23:39] <axion> by design they are not suited for a rootfs
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[23:42] <oxoocoffee> Ok
[23:42] <oxoocoffee> Thank
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