#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-11-29

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[0:21] <thomas_sch> if I start scummvm on archlinuxarm from the console and switch to another virtual console can I still access it?
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[0:35] <bakers> Anyone used omxplayer to do HLS streaming?
[0:36] * FLHerne (~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[0:36] <bakers> I'm getting stuttering at higher bitrates, but < 1Mbs is fine
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[0:39] <skanadian> Is there a way to get rid of analogue audio popping between tracks in xbmc?
[0:39] <axion> is the streamed codec supported? if not did you buy the license needed?
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[0:41] <skanadian> its mp3 and its not streamed
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[0:41] <axion> that was to bakers
[0:42] <skanadian> gotcha. :)
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[0:42] <bakers> axion: It's just h264 and aac
[0:42] <bakers> so I imagine so
[0:42] <bakers> The file works fine if I play it locally
[0:42] <bakers> it's just HLS that it has a problem with
[0:43] <axion> is it using the cpu or gpu though?
[0:43] <axion> which codec?
[0:43] <bakers> omxplayer -o hdmi http://www.perturb.org/tmp/hls/trailers/hobbit-720p/
[0:43] <bakers> axion: Not sure... how do I know?
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[0:44] <bakers> 70% of the CPU is idle while playing
[0:44] <bakers> but it's very stuttery
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[0:46] <axion> it is indeed h264/aac able to be decoded by the gpu. if it works fine locally maybe try enabling smsc9xx.turbo_mode
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[0:46] <bakers> axion: If I stream one of the chunks, it's fine
[0:46] <bakers> omxplayer -o hdmi http://www.perturb.org/tmp/hls/trailers/hobbit-720p/1000k/out0012.ts
[0:47] <bakers> if I play the stream it gets stuttery
[0:47] <axion> which doesnt work? i will try on my pi
[0:47] <bakers> omxplayer -o hdmi http://www.perturb.org/tmp/hls/trailers/hobbit-720p/
[0:47] <axion> and how long until it starts stuttering?
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[0:48] <bakers> axion: Right away
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[0:50] <axion> i experience the same thing on a significantly overclocked pi
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[0:54] <bakers> axion: how overclocked?
[0:55] <axion> 1.1ghz/500mhz gpu
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[1:09] <axion> bakers: omxplayer -o hdmi http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/twit/live/high
[1:09] <axion> this is a 1mbps stream that plays fine, so i guess its the source you had
[1:10] <bakers> Ya it must be
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[1:16] <axion> yeah, thats the only one i CANT get to play smooth. definitely a server issue
[1:16] <axion> especially if it plays locally fine
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[1:18] <samzor> I have this usb charger here that is 5.5v is it safe to use with the rpi ?
[1:19] <pksato> board V1 or V2
[1:19] <samzor> v2 i would guess i just received it yesterday
[1:19] <samzor> the revb with 512m
[1:19] <PhotoJim> samzor: how many amps or milliamps? that's what matters. 5.5V should be close enough but you need enough amps.
[1:19] <samzor> it's 1A
[1:19] <PhotoJim> that'll be plenty.
[1:19] <samzor> i has reading that 5v was required for the rpi so i was just a bit worried i dont wanna blow it up
[1:20] <samzor> has=was
[1:20] <PhotoJim> my instinct is that 5.5V shouldn't be enough out of spec to matter.
[1:20] <PhotoJim> but technically, USB is supposed to be 5V.
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[1:24] <pksato> samzor: PSU with USB port?
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[1:25] <samzor> pksato: it's a usb charger that plugs into the wall
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[1:26] <samzor> bought it when i was traveling in europe because it came with uk/eu/na adapters
[1:26] <pksato> some charger dont have stable voltage output.
[1:27] <samzor> and im guessing the risk here is that it goes over the 5.5v ?
[1:27] <samzor> im assuming under-powering the device would not damage it
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[1:28] <SpeedEvil> no
[1:28] <pksato> 5.5V are out of usb specification.
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[1:29] <SpeedEvil> 5.5 is bang on the maximum spec for one of the regulators.
[1:29] <samzor> So i guess you would recommend not to use it ?
[1:29] <SpeedEvil> it should be fine.
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> after all, it's $35ish
[1:30] <samzor> I have a multimeter i could test it out to be sure it does not go above 5.5v
[1:30] <samzor> just have to find usb cable i can strip
[1:30] <pksato> RPi have a 5.6 over voltage protection.
[1:30] <samzor> yeah $35 + tx +12$ shipping + 2 months wait time hehe
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> pksato: no, it doesn't
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[1:32] <SpeedEvil> pksato: the surge auppressor only turns on hard at 7-8v or so
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> it is essentially off until then
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[1:41] <axion> aafaik spec is 4.75-5.25V but the pi has extra room
[1:41] <axion> how much i am unsure of
[1:44] <nimtz> are there plans for a tegra 4 pi?
[1:45] <nimtz> at say 2ghz
[1:45] <shiftplusone> there are no open plans for that, no.
[1:45] <nimtz> cause i would buy that at any price
[1:45] <pksato> BCM SMC and others dont use 5V, 3v3, 2v5 and 1v8. (from schematics)
[1:46] <shiftplusone> ls
[1:46] <shiftplusone> er.. ignore that
[1:46] <IT_Sean> No.
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> nimtz: get a nexus 7, remove the motherboard
[1:46] <nimtz> i wish it was that simple
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[1:47] <Opinie> does anyone know whether php5-suhosin is absolutely necessary to run a wordpress server with lighttpd?
[1:47] <Opinie> there doesn't seem to be a candidate available for raspbian
[1:48] <nimtz> well, you need php
[1:48] <Opinie> ay
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[1:52] <pksato> LP2980 have 16V to max. input voltage, LM1117 20V. For RPi 5.5V is safe.
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[1:58] <FBeans> corsix-TH works
[1:58] <FBeans> on the pi
[1:59] <shiftplusone> 'course
[1:59] <FBeans> woo
[1:59] <FBeans> next
[1:59] <shiftplusone> scrolling was a bit slow when I tried
[2:00] <FBeans> its ok tbh
[2:00] <FBeans> its not fantastic
[2:00] <FBeans> but i've talking to the corsix-th guys
[2:00] <FBeans> think we might see what we can do to improve performace
[2:00] <shiftplusone> great
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[2:02] <FBeans> think i'll blog what I did too so others can easily do it ( I know it's relativly simple, but always nice to have tutorial specfic to the platform)
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[2:02] <FBeans> maybe ask rasbian to port the ubuntu package
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> pksato: the bcm is also directly connected to the 5v rail
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[2:02] <SpeedEvil> pksato: there is no spec for this pin
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[2:04] <pksato> Input to internal regulator?
[2:04] <zenodub> got a pi last night, lovin it.
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[2:06] <SpeedEvil> pksato: or USB vbus sense
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[2:07] <pksato> Find one 5V to BCM, to internal regulator.
[2:08] <zenodub> i got my pi used, and ordered 3 more. any idea what the wait time is on current orders?
[2:09] <pksato> Pins labels are VDD_BATx
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[3:13] <angad> hey folks
[3:14] <angad> can raspberry pi be used as a serial port
[3:15] <pksato> Uh?
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[3:17] <pksato> You ask if RPi have a RS232 port? have two ttl (3v3) level ports.
[3:19] <angad> for a school project, we are interfacing a 80188 board with a windows PC - i want to use raspberry pi instead of the windows pc - and was wondering if i can use raspberry to read the output from the 80188 board
[3:19] <angad> yes - RS232
[3:21] <Hodapp> angad: you could interface through serial and a converter. You might also be able to hack up something to do it with parallel; be aware, though, that its parallel will run at a higher voltage and may need some conversion
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[3:22] <angad> so i would need a MAX3232?
[3:22] <pksato> 80188? Intel micro controler with 8086 cpu?
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[3:22] <angad> pksato: yep
[3:23] <pksato> RPi can replace this board.
[3:23] <angad> this is an embedded systems design project class - building a cash register for a supermarket that uses 80188
[3:23] <angad> pksato: i would love to replace it, but unfortunately, using a 80188 is a requirement for the class
[3:24] <pksato> It is a vintage system.
[3:25] <angad> pksato: haha yeah - i guess the idea is that they want us to work with really constrained timing requirements
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[3:25] <pksato> RPi and arduino is a modern substitute.
[3:26] <angad> yep - anyway back to my question - so i would need a max3232?
[3:27] <pksato> Yes, need a MAX3232CPE to convert RPi levels to RS232.
[3:27] <pksato> Or, usb adapter.
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[3:28] <ryushe> Milos: awake by any chance?
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[3:31] <shiftplusone> angad, I think this is what you're after. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/280996324511
[3:32] <angad> shiftplusone: ah looks exactly like what i need - let me see if i can find it where i am
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[3:33] <ryushe> anyone here use a 3G usb modem with their PIs?
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[3:34] <pksato> angad: but, RPi dont have all RS232 controls pins.
[3:35] <shiftplusone> are those required for serial over rs232?
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[3:38] <Milos> ryushe, yup but I'm at work so I can only say a bit.
[3:39] <ryushe> thanks to your suggestions I think I almost got things working. I have an active card now, and the modem is seen
[3:39] <ryushe> however, when I try via wvdial (using correct APN and phone number) I keep getting disconnected after like 0.1 minutes.
[3:39] <ryushe> any ideas?
[3:40] <ryushe> ppp has died. error 16
[3:40] <ryushe> I can see the modem is actually trying to register on the network (status indicator led on the actual device)
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[3:43] <angad> shiftplusone: yes
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[3:44] <shiftplusone> angad, ah, then I think the quick answer is no. I wouldn't tought rs232 could be used just with tx/rx/gnd.
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[3:46] <Disconnect> the good news is, my raid1 is syncing at over 15M/sec. the bad news is, its 3T...
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[3:48] <Disconnect> only 50 hours. whee.
[3:48] <unreal-dude> ouch
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[3:52] <pksato> angad: UART with CTS and RTS (no others) http://lavalink.com/2012/04/more-on-raspberry-pi-serial-ports/
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[4:04] <Disconnect> unreal-dude: its the initial sync, it'll be ok after that I hope
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[4:09] <Disconnect> yay. still resyncing but.. "/dev/md0 2.7T 201M 2.7T 1% /video"
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[4:17] <Disconnect> mounting it and streaming files into it had a dramatic impact :/ at this rate the resync will be done about the same time as the warranties :)
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[4:40] <Nahledge> How do I get mp3s to play on fresh install of raspbian wheezy?
[4:41] <shiftplusone> What's the problem? You open it with your player of choice.
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[4:54] <Tachyon`> why can't I buy a gertboard dammit
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[5:22] <Nahledge> what are some good music players for raspbian?
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[5:23] <shiftplusone> for use in X or in console?
[5:23] <Nahledge> x
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[5:25] <shiftplusone> I'd give audacious a go if it's available.
[5:28] <ryushe> XMMS or XMMS2 if those are still around? Basically WinAmp for *nix
[5:28] <ryushe> I remember them being super lightweight as well
[5:28] <shiftplusone> audacious is
[5:29] <shiftplusone> "Audacious began as a fork of Beep Media Player, which was a fork of XMMS. "
[5:29] <shiftplusone> ignore the 'audacious is' >.>
[5:29] <shiftplusone> I'll get the hang of this keyboard thing one day.
[5:29] <Nahledge> im downloading audacious now.
[5:29] <Nahledge> :)
[5:29] <ryushe> heh
[5:29] <ryushe> looking at Audacious, it looks large, as in screen real estate
[5:30] <akk> It's smaller than most players, sadly.
[5:30] <ryushe> that was always the nice thing about winamp, it was tiny and the mini version was absolutely great
[5:30] <ryushe> same for XXMS
[5:30] <shiftplusone> it doesn't look like what it looked like when I last used it =/
[5:30] <ryushe> XMMS
[5:30] <shiftplusone> it might be a 'library' view or something
[5:30] <akk> Yeah, audacious used to be small like xmms, but it's grown.
[5:30] <shiftplusone> When I used it it was pretty much the same as xmms, but more stable.
[5:31] <ryushe> sounds like a winner then
[5:31] <Nahledge> Honestly im pretty damn surprised with rpi. I thought it was an april fools-esque joke. I ordered it yesterday from America and received today ! :D
[5:31] <shiftplusone> akk, is the old interface still available?\
[5:31] <akk> Not AFAIK.
[5:31] <ryushe> also, for those of you considering using a 3G USB modem with your RPIs, don't bother with T-Mobile USA as your data provider. They don't allow incoming connections such as SSH it seems
[5:31] <shiftplusone> that's a shame =/
[5:32] <Tachyon`> they do on non-standard ports
[5:32] <Tachyon`> just stick it on 60022 or w/e
[5:32] <ryushe> no shit
[5:32] <akk> I don't know of anything current that's small like xmms1 used to be.
[5:32] <ryushe> trying that now
[5:32] <shiftplusone> I've mostly made the switch to command line for that sort of thing, so I am not up to date with that any more =/
[5:33] <ryushe> there's a nice player for windows called Xion, it's pretty winamp like. Sadly no *nix version yet (if ever)
[5:33] <ryushe> mpg321 \o/
[5:33] <Tachyon`> it's best to move it from teh standard port anyway, and ftp etc., otherwise scripts that try to login with dictionary attacks will eat all your data
[5:33] <ryushe> Tachyon`: that's a very good point. I never even considered that
[5:34] <shiftplusone> Tachyon`, Wouldn't using denyhosts take care of that?
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[5:34] <ryushe> shiftplusone: you're still making an initial connection there
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[5:34] <ryushe> which costs data
[5:34] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[5:34] <Tachyon`> well, if you deny everything and use hosts.allow for teh whitelist, that'd work
[5:35] <Tachyon`> or whatever is current now, it's been a while
[5:35] * shiftplusone download Xion
[5:35] <shiftplusone> ryushe, thanks for the tip
[5:36] <shiftplusone> I've been using clementine on windows, but it's a bit too much.
[5:36] <ryushe> yeah
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[5:36] <ryushe> and there's a few very nice minimal and tiny skins for xion too
[5:36] <ryushe> it's not very extensive, but it does exactly what I need it to do, which is play songs randomly with a tiny interface and be lightweight
[5:37] <shiftplusone> nice... has that 2000 winamp feel.
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[5:38] <shiftplusone> right down to that autoplay promo mp3
[5:38] <ryushe> Tachyon`: the idea of rebinding sshd to another port is nice, but I just realized; T-Mobile blocks at their gateway, and the 3G modem technically has an internal address on their network
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[5:38] <ryushe> yeah, it's spiffy
[5:39] <ryushe> It has something to do with the APN used, but I can't find another APN for T-Mobile USA that'll let me connect :(
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[5:52] <shiftplusone> could someone please check if 'git clone http://git.qemu.org/git/qemu.git' is right?
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[5:54] <Tachyon`> oh dear
[5:55] <shiftplusone> Hmm, looks like they're over at git://git.qemu-project.org/qemu.git now
[5:55] <Tachyon`> epc.tmobile.com
[5:55] <Tachyon`> is that the one you're using?
[5:55] <Tachyon`> if not, try that one
[5:56] <ryushe> yeah, that's the one
[5:56] <ryushe> I just tried internet2.voicestream.com, same result
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[5:57] <ryushe> http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_APNs
[5:57] <Tachyon`> ah, I'm in teh UK so have limited knowledge of US networks -.o
[5:59] <ryushe> seems that they not only look at the APN you're using, but more at what your account is allowed. I guess you just have to use at least one valid APN to connect
[6:00] <ryushe> oh well, time for a nice and cozy chat with T-Mobile tomorrow
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[6:14] <pksato> http://www.arcfn.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html
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[6:16] <Mehhh> Does anyone here work for radioshack?
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[6:42] <g_r_eek> anyone can help me with some linux knowledge? after cloning my sd card image it seems to have the hw address of the eth0 of the previous pi, is there an easy way to recreate the network scripts to assign the right (new) hw address to eth0?
[6:44] <samzor> yeah
[6:44] <samzor> check in /etc/udev/
[6:44] <samzor> you should find a file called 70-net-persistant or something simillar
[6:44] <samzor> change the hw address there and reboot
[6:45] <samzor> it's a debian/ubuntu based release ?
[6:45] <g_r_eek> samzor: debian
[6:46] <samzor> yeah should be under /etc/udev
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[6:47] <Nahledge> My torrent speeds are terrible, anyone else get this?
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[6:47] <g_r_eek> thanks samzor , i have there 3 files
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[6:49] <g_r_eek> i look in all 3 rules.d udev.conf and links.conf
[6:49] <g_r_eek> 'nothing there about eth
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[6:53] <g_r_eek> samzor: found it
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[6:56] <g_r_eek> samzor: thanks! fixed
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[7:01] <samzor> yeah in rules.d
[7:01] <samzor> cool glad it works :D
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[7:13] <DarkTherapy> morning all
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[7:31] <Mehhh> morning
[7:32] <DarkTherapy> morning
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[8:08] <Jck_true> Yay! First kid I've tried throwing at the raspberry - After a like 6 hours and some help he managed to make a html form that posts data to a php scripts which is then displayed on an attached 7-segment display :)
[8:08] <Jck_true> >And he actually said it had been fun afterwards!
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[8:11] <shiftplusone> Jck_true, Great, well done.
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[8:35] <herdingcat> hi, is there any boot process about rpi?
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[8:42] <Jck_true> herdingcat: Boot process?
[8:46] <herdingcat> Jck_true, yes
[8:46] <Jck_true> herdingcat: I added a question mark in the hope you could add some additional information to your question :)
[8:47] <herdingcat> Jck_true, sorry, what I would like to know is when the rpi power on, what happened in order?
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[8:50] <Jck_true> herdingcat: https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi
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[9:01] <herdingcat> Jck_true, thanks mate
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[9:10] <mgarces> morning guys
[9:10] <mgarces> and gals :)
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[9:11] <shiftplusone> Hello
[9:11] <shiftplusone> and who are you kidding?
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[9:14] <DarkTherapy> so..
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[9:18] <mgarces> shiftplusone: ?
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[9:18] <shiftplusone> It's IRC, let's be real here. <mgarces> and gals :)
[9:19] <mgarces> you would be surprised... just the other day I was helped by a girl on IRC! :)
[9:20] <shiftplusone> That's good
[9:20] <mgarces> but ok, they are a minority
[9:20] <mgarces> :)
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[9:23] <DarkTherapy> gordonDrogon: you around?
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[9:38] <n1ko> any way to differentiate between soft float and hard float versions? Just mixed my sd-cards without marking them :(
[9:38] <n1ko> can't saa nyt special string on the kernel version
[9:38] <n1ko> *see
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[9:39] <shiftplusone> kernels don't use floating point, so there's no difference there. You can use objdump to test a few binaries
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[9:40] <shiftplusone> I am on windows, so I can't check, but I used something like "objdump -a somefile | grep FP"
[9:41] <n1ko> objdump -a on nano doesn't return anything on that, should it be a string or something like FP=off ?
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[9:42] <shiftplusone> Nuh, not as obvious
[9:43] <shiftplusone> If you could pastebin the result off another file, I could maybe tell you
[9:43] <shiftplusone> actually, I'll check the chat logs, hang on
[9:44] <n1ko> yeah, thnaks
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[9:44] <n1ko> i am just going trough the manpage for objdump, but it's not popping to my eye
[9:45] <n1ko> you don't mean the disassembly (-d) ? Theres plenty of fp based commands in the printed assembly
[9:45] <n1ko> 163a4:e1a0500b movr5, fp
[9:45] <n1ko> for example
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[9:47] <shiftplusone> Can't find it. Maybe the bot was out to lunch or I am not looking back far enough
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, morning ...
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[9:54] <Jck_true> PiBot: help
[9:54] <Jck_true> Guess it only does logging :)
[9:54] <axion> and voice spam
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[9:55] <Jck_true> axion: If you got a proper client you can hide mode changes ;)
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[9:56] <shiftplusone> n1ko, sorry, readelf
[9:57] <phire> Why does it give everyone in here ops?
[9:57] <axion> it doesnt
[9:57] <Jck_true> PiBot: It gives voice to thoose who are registered...
[9:57] <shiftplusone> n1ko, took a while, but readelf -A some file | grep Tag_ABI_HardFP_use
[9:57] <shiftplusone> phire, voice, not ops.
[9:57] <Jck_true> Stops people from spamming the room if they are not registered on freenode
[9:57] <shiftplusone> Well... it doesn't even do that
[9:57] <shiftplusone> since the channel doesn't have that mode set
[9:58] <shiftplusone> so it's just being obnoxious
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[9:58] <phire> yeah, it blocks anyone not registered from even logging in
[9:58] <n1ko> shiftplusone: and if i get "SP and DP" that's probably hard?
[9:58] <shiftplusone> n1ko, if I recall correctly, yes.
[9:58] <shiftplusone> I think softfloat binaries don't have that string at all.
[9:58] <n1ko> ok, good. Thanks!
[9:59] <shiftplusone> np, sorry it took a while.
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[10:00] <axion> which distro?
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[10:02] <DarkTherapy> gordonDrogon: do I have to set pin mode to out when I want to set it high in bash (wiringPi)?
[10:03] <shiftplusone> I don't think pibot is even the loggin bot.
[10:03] <DarkTherapy> or do they default as outputs?
[10:05] <Jck_true> would a helpbot make sense? :D
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[10:05] <shiftplusone> It would, but nobody here can be bothered writting and maintaining one afaik
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[10:06] <shiftplusone> Hell, we're too lazy to murder pibot.
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[10:06] <axion> or have better things to do than abuse the topic rules
[10:07] <Jck_true> And we pretty much need to host it all on a pi :P
[10:07] <shiftplusone> axion, a little passive agressive today, are we?
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[10:08] <axion> not at all
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[10:15] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, hi - sorry - afk for a bit there - if you're writing to an output pin, then yes, a one-off gpio mode X out is needed.
[10:15] <DarkTherapy> rite thanks
[10:15] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> there's no automatic mode changes in wiringPi.
[10:15] <DarkTherapy> that's fair enough
[10:16] <DarkTherapy> it's just I forgot to set the mode then set a pin high, got no error and no high obviously
[10:17] <DarkTherapy> so I just wondered..
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> yea - it's pretty dumb - does what it's told :)
[10:17] <shiftplusone> axion, are you saying that the rule itself is being abused by mods (perhaps myself)? We could maybe clarify the rule so that there's no room for abuse and make it a bit more clear cut, to avoid confusion.
[10:17] <DarkTherapy> that's the way I like it lol
[10:18] <shiftplusone> axion, or that you just disagree with the rule in the first place?
[10:19] <axion> the rule is no bots unless reggie allows them. why work hard parsing strings when he doesnt want them?
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[10:19] <shiftplusone> axion, oh right, I thought you were talking about the foul language rule, my mistake.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> what if it was an eliza bot running onna Pi ;-)
[10:20] <shiftplusone> axion, that would could maybe be eased a little now. I don't know if you were here at the start, but it got pretty silly with the number of bots.
[10:21] <sloth> hey i got my pi today, but it wont boot, i ran the checklist on the wiki to no avail. I'm using a SHCD class 6 4gb with ArchLinux ARM image and a 1.2A 5V powersupply and all my cables are brand spanking new. the power light goes on but the green light doesn't flash and just sits there dimply and i'm not getting video
[10:21] <axion> bots are just another means to disrupt conversation and provoke abuse imo, but do what you will
[10:22] <sloth> anyone know whats up with it?
[10:22] <shiftplusone> I don't have much will either way in this case and would tend to agree more with you. Perhaps if we had more people asking the same questions all the time it would make more sense, but there doesn't seem to be too much of a need right now, I think.
[10:23] <axion> i vote for a faq url instead
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[10:23] <shiftplusone> yeah, that seems ideal.
[10:24] <shiftplusone> Looking at the elinux faq... doesn't seem like those q's are all that fa
[10:26] <shiftplusone> mostly pre-release questions pulled from the faq on the main site.
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[10:27] <axion> a web site with a few common questions is easier to create/maintain than a bot, doesnt harm the channel, and is more accessible
[10:29] <shiftplusone> Yeah, noted, but it seems like the elinux faq needs a bit of an overhaul. If the Rpi wiki council will allow it =p
[10:30] <axion> indeed
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[10:43] <Jck_true> sloth: Got a multimeter?
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[10:51] * Jck_true is still puzzled why everything has to be in Wiki's theese days... A simple markup language in a directory structure using source control
[10:52] <shiftplusone> Why not?
[10:53] <Jck_true> I just think most wiki's got almost zero structure
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> wikis are ok - but they need a lot of working to get the indexes sorted out.
[10:53] <Jck_true> Since every document is on the top level
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> so searching them can be a pita.
[10:53] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Yeah
[10:54] <Jck_true> Started writting a small book/article myself - I guess it's just easier if you're just working alone to use a tree structure
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> if were were an FAQ (or an faq bot) here it could be mentioned in the channel motd, but how many people actually read it?
[10:55] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, yeah, but then you can point people to the topic instead of looking the answer up yourself or typing it out.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, I use latex for book writing - it create a table of contents trivially, indexes are harder, but do-able.
[10:56] <shiftplusone> When talking about structure are you simply talking about organisation and formatting? O_o
[10:56] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: ReST myself - But been wondering about moving my tiny project to DocBlock instead :)
[10:56] * shiftplusone finds wikis nice and readable from a user standpoint.
[10:57] <Jck_true> My main concern with a wiki is that a user creates some usable content - It just get linked too... and therefor never discovered
[10:57] <Jck_true> doesn't*
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> I think the issue with a bot is that it might appear spammy - if people login, query the bot, then everyone sees it.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> e.g. the weather bot
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> which isn't working ..
[10:58] <shiftplusone> heh
[10:58] <shiftplusone> nicely demonstrated
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> our local LUG channel has a bot that gives us the date/times of the next meeting - when someone remembers to update it.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> but since only 3 of us use it, it's not that helpful!
[10:59] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: After a frosty start, largely dry with sunny spells, although the odd shower may affect western Cornwall. Tending to cloud over later, mainly towards the west. Winds lighter than recent days but still feeling cold.
[10:59] <axion> or url shortener bots...imagine 2 of them infinitly shortening each other :)
[11:01] <shiftplusone> sounds handy
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> http://url.drogon.net/ is mine.
[11:01] <Jck_true> Reminds me when I was young and put my chatter bot in linux - After a good week it could build completely gribberish questions :P Took a while before it got banned
[11:02] <shiftplusone> lol
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> http://url.drogon.net/14
[11:02] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: So you got your own URL shortner.,.. Which isn't really short,....
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, I know, but it's shorter than some 3-liner google ones (when I remember to use it!)
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[11:03] <Jck_true> Makes sense on the raspberry where you often have documentation on a seperate maschine - But most of the time url shorternes just creep me out for hiding the real url
[11:03] <shiftplusone> Maybe our help bot should be based on the ELIZA code >.>
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> Heh... all we need is a bot that answers: "Check your power. Get a multimeter between TP1 and TP2" ... ;-)
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, most of the popular ones have a 2-stage mode where you can have them print the url before you click on it.
[11:04] <garo> how do you feel about our help bot based on the ELIZA code ?
[11:04] <garo> :)
[11:04] <shiftplusone> Just tried ELIZA. Q:"Where can I buy a raspberry PI?" A:Perhaps you don't want to buy a raspberry PI?
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> and it irritates me that places like twitter now use their own and force it on you. great for twitter and their stats gathering, not so good for sites trying to get geographic/demographics in their own logs.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> haha classic eliza.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> answer a question with a question, or negative statement.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> tell me about your mother...
[11:06] <shiftplusone> heh
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[11:08] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Yup deny every problem - Always bring it down to the power supply :P
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> "Tell me about your power supply."
[11:11] <Jck_true> God I wish I could see what query my boss is image searching on google with...
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> "I see. And how long have you been having problems with your power supply?"
[11:12] <Jck_true> There's pictures of survalience cameras + Boxee, remote controls, IP65 boxes , led light strips...
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> "is 2 weeks a long time for you?"
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, he's spying on you..
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[11:12] <shiftplusone> lol
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[11:13] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Kinda hard not to spy on him when he insisted on a 24" desktop monitor posted 2 meters from me
[11:14] <Jck_true> Now he clicked on an image of a portable toilet...
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> eye bleach ...
[11:14] <Jck_true> I 'm offically confused
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> with google images, you're 3 clicks away from _those_ images... don't do it ...
[11:14] <Jck_true> Oh wait.. it was a waterproof housing.. just looked like a toilet
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[11:15] <Jck_true> Ahhh he's searching for housing/cases!
[11:15] <Jck_true> Elementary my dear Watson...
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[11:17] <axion> next person that needs an idea for a pi....
[11:17] <axion> http://cdn.antiquiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/enhanced-buzz-17311-1333474318-29-480x639.jpg
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[11:17] <Jck_true> axion: Yeah... I'll need a waterproof housing for that...
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> a solution to a problem that doesn't exist...
[11:18] <axion> a valid excuse to play with yourself
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[11:20] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: You're hinting you can just tab each of the buttons physically? :P
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> I'm not hinting anything. Just saiyng that thers a time & place for everything an peeing on a musical instrument just isn't right.
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[11:24] * shiftplusone recalls one drunk night.definitely
[11:24] <shiftplusone> Yeah, definitely not.
[11:24] <shiftplusone> I don't like this keyboard.... >=/
[11:25] <shiftplusone> It's slightly different from my old keyboard, yet for some reason I am always mashing buttons I don't intend to.
[11:25] <shiftplusone> "Get a mechanical keyboard", they said... >=/
[11:25] <axion> switch to dvorak
[11:25] <axion> :)
[11:25] <shiftplusone> heh, I tried
[11:26] <Jck_true> Been using a differnt laptop at work for a few days - And some silly designer decided it was wise to place the FN key where the control key is supposed to be
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[11:26] <shiftplusone> Muscle memory doesn't seem to like change. =(
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[11:28] <Jck_true> I messed up my hg repository - Editing both on windows and linux.. Seems HG got no problem commiting two folders that only differ in their case... But you're then sscrewed on windows afterwards...
[11:29] * Jck_true reminds himself to keep everything lowercase from now on
[11:29] <shiftplusone> Hm, you would think that hq would take care of things like that =/
[11:29] <shiftplusone> How do svn and git deal with that?
[11:29] <Jck_true> It does .. sorta.. for a while atleast
[11:30] <Jck_true> then you get a about: case-folding collision
[11:30] <Jck_true> abort*
[11:31] <axion> git config --global core.ignorecase true
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[11:33] <Jck_true> The whole case thing is a mess anyway
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[11:42] <frikinz> the mess is on windows. case is preserved but not sensitive... what a strange thing
[11:44] <axion> thankfully we have posix
[11:45] <frikinz> In Microsoft Windows Server?? 2008 R2, Windows?? 7, Windows Server?? 2008, Windows Vista??, Windows Server?? 2003, and Windows XP operating systems, the default behavior of subsystems other than the Win32 subsystem is to be case-preserving but case-insensitive; in previous versions of Windows, such subsystems were fully case-sensitive by default.
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[11:46] <frikinz> ah well, whatever
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[11:50] <Ben64> is there any way to get the pi to get a new ip address?
[11:50] <Ben64> i forgot to turn dhcp back on and it just lost networking
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[11:53] <frikinz> did you try unplug, replug?
[11:53] <frikinz> not sure if there is something like ifplugd by default
[11:54] <neilr> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart, if the interface is marked as auto
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[11:54] <jjjames> hey guys, trying to get x11vnc to run on boot on raspbian, following this tutorial http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=108862, when i do cd /.config i get -bash: cd: /.config: No such file or directory, help please?
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[11:55] <frikinz> jjjames: where do you see cd /.config in the tuto?
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[11:57] <frikinz> cd /.config means you extracted x11vnc at the root of your filesystem (/) which would be a pretty bad idea unless you like big mess
[11:57] <frikinz> cd .config is "change directory to .config" relative to where you are
[11:57] <jjjames> - cd .config
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[11:57] <jjjames> few replies down refers to cd /.config
[11:58] <jjjames> i only did a sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[12:00] <jjjames> frikinz, what directory would it install to by default? i'm a linux dolt
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[12:02] <FBeans> jjjames does x11vnc work, but you just want it to load on boot?
[12:02] <FBeans> or you are trying to configure it?
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[12:03] <frikinz> jjjames: by default debian package install to / . man x11vnc will give you some info about the x11vnc settings (in $HOME/.x11vncrc) which is read when x11vnc starts. Now the tuto is talking about an Autostart method and should be in $HOME/.config/Autostart as per freedesktop standards
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[12:03] <Elspuddy> morinig
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[12:03] <frikinz> which is executed when user logs in (or automatically if there is automatic user login)
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[12:05] <Elspuddy> bah, first off its a sdcard acting funny, not i got a dead ide drave :P
[12:08] <frikinz> jjjames: cd /.config is indeed wrong. it has to be in the home of the user which will login. .config/autostart (not uppercase Autostart)
[12:09] <frikinz> going for eating. bye
[12:09] <jjjames> yeah, thanks, cd ~/.config worked
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[12:10] <jjjames> rebooting - fingers crossed
[12:10] <jjjames> what's the nicest reboot to use, i've been using init 6?
[12:11] <jarpy> "reboot" is good
[12:11] <neilr> shutdown -r now
[12:11] <jjjames> wicked, script works
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[12:17] <FBeans> woo
[12:17] <FBeans> also I dont really think it matters how you reboot
[12:17] <FBeans> quite often I find it easy to just pull the plug
[12:18] <FBeans> having said that, I very, very, very very very rarley reboot my pi
[12:18] <FBeans> either it's on, or it's off
[12:18] <FBeans> never really needs a reboot (enless of course you are testing stuff, that loads on boot)
[12:19] <jjjames> yeah, i'm just anticipating the need if it's cable tied to the back of the TV
[12:19] <FBeans> well, I don't think you'll need to restart it
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[12:19] <FBeans> Linux doesn't really need restarting.
[12:20] <FBeans> you can nearly always just restart the specfic services
[12:20] <FBeans> although, about a billion times, I've not understood waht exactly needs restarting and just rebooted
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[12:23] * BurtyB isn't convinced it doesnt matter your you reboot... and just pulling the plug is asking for trouble imo
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[12:26] <jjjames> ok, thanks for the help and opinions guys, i'll almost certainly be back in coming days for more
[12:26] <jjjames> nite all
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[13:02] <Nahledge> Hey guys i have no sound when i play mp4 with omxplayer. i tried the -o hdmi append, doesnt do anything
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[13:04] <Grievre> Does the rpi have sound inputs or just outputs?
[13:05] <booyaa> just outputs
[13:06] <booyaa> i'd be interested to see how people have faired with usb mics
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[13:16] <artag> I've tried to run USB audio. It worked fine for one (stereo) out, went flaky with 2. Not sure what would happen with input - would you only be doing input or would you want simultaneous output ?
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[13:43] <Grievre> artag: just input
[13:43] <Grievre> artag: is it a processor speed issue?
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[13:45] <artag> I think it's probably a USB driver issue. But I tested about a month ago, there have been changes since, I think.
[13:46] <artag> There was plenty of free cpu
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[13:52] <Grievre> artag: maybe it's a buffer size issue
[13:53] <Grievre> slow CPU can result in not filling/emptying the buffer fast enough even if you don't spike to 100% cpu usage
[13:53] <Grievre> because of scheduling and such
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[13:56] <artag> I need to re-test. I wanted to use the Pi for multiple audio streams so it was a bit of a disappointment
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> anyone here with a Rev 2 Pi do a quick check for me?
[14:27] <Cheery> gordonDrogon: what do you need?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> load up the i2c modules and check the /dev/ entries.
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> so, modprobe i2c_dev ; modprobe i2c_bcm2708 ; ls -l /dev/i2c*
[14:28] <Cheery> only problem is that it's not well accessible at the moment
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> ok. no wories.
[14:28] <Cheery> I'll try look that up later.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> ok ... unless there's anyone else...
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[14:35] <Disconnect> hmm. resync speed dropped to 1k/sec and everything is crawling. only change is adding "smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N" :/ without that it was hanging though.
[14:36] <Disconnect> this isn't ok :(
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> is this rsync or areyou resyncing RAID over USB?
[14:39] <Disconnect> initial "resync" of raid1
[14:39] <Disconnect> [>....................] resync = 0.9% (29070976/2930134336) finish=38650409.6min speed=1K/sec (from /proc/mdstat)
[14:39] <BurtyB> lol
[14:39] <Disconnect> it was running at a few megs a second last night (either 5 or 15, I don't recall)
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> I have to say that raid1 over usb is somewhat sub-optimal to start with, however it does seem slower than I'd expect...
[14:42] <Disconnect> yah. it was reasonably fast last night until it crashed (under load - md resync and rsyncing data into it from an nfs mount)
[14:42] <Disconnect> looking into what else is using IO right now (samhain, others) gonna strip that down a bit and see what happoens
[14:43] <Disconnect> and reboot, hopefully it comes up again..
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[14:43] <Elspuddy> lo
[14:43] <Disconnect> 96% io wait. not surprising given how low the io speed has gone
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> are you currentlly writing to it from NFS?
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> or writing to it from anywhere?
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> raid resync will slow to a crawl if it's being used...
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> although you can tune it.
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> if you are using Ethernet at the same time as the resync - well, game over as far as I'm concerned - you're just doing too much on that poor little usb port -
[14:45] <Disconnect> it should slow but not that bad. it was running at megs a second last night during the sync. sometime overnight it went insane
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> remember one usb interface on the Pi and it's half duplex. Reading from the Ethernet and reading from one disk and writing to the other ... all over that one US bus is going to be slow, even on a good desktop system...
[14:46] <Disconnect> (running at megs even after 20 mins or so, not just initial spike)
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> well it's obviously gotten its knickers in a twist over something.
[14:46] <Disconnect> tons of usb resets
[14:46] <Disconnect> yah
[14:46] <Elspuddy> how do i find out if a usb device has been found ?
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> Elspuddy, lsusb
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[14:47] <Elspuddy> thanks
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[14:48] <Elspuddy> hmm, trying to figure out why gparted cant see thid usb drive
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[14:48] <neilr> Elspuddy - what does dmesg show when you connect it?
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[14:49] <Disconnect> gonna reboot -fn and see if it comes back. sync was hanging..
[14:49] <frikinz> initial sync of a 2x160GB over usb2 on my laptop took 46hours
[14:50] <Elspuddy> a lot of buffer i/o errir's on device sda
[14:50] <Disconnect> it was reporting 50 hours initially. 15M/sec sustained
[14:50] <frikinz> Disconnect: I would really not do the initial sync on the PI!! and active write intents
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[14:52] <frikinz> Disconnect: how many members of which size?
[14:52] <frikinz> I still haven't tried that on my pi
[14:52] <Disconnect> 2 3T drives
[14:52] <frikinz> Disconnect: usb? ahah
[14:53] <Disconnect> its gonna take a while but i have all the time i need. if it works.
[14:53] <Disconnect> but the recent estimate of 73 years is a little much..
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[14:54] <frikinz> lol :)
[14:54] <frikinz> on my crap laptop 2 (running recent linux) it dropped to 1MB/s after a while
[14:58] <frikinz> I wrote about some of my experiments there http://teebeenator.blogspot.com/2012/10/lvm2-raid-1-luks.html
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[14:58] <frikinz> [>....................] resync = 0.2% (439808/167804800) finish=2728.0min speed=1022K/sec
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[15:00] <frikinz> Crap laptop that is a 2 years old HP laptop
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> just don't do raid over usb is the message, I suspect...
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, I think your comments on that blog age about raid are wrong though.
[15:03] <Disconnect> its back. slower but still not terrible (11 days) [>??????..] resync = 0.2% (8078976/2930134336) finish=16502.2min speed=2950K/sec
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> even hardware raid can't read both disks in a raid-1 scenario.
[15:03] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: where? that might be true, I had just learnt about mdadm a day before probably :)
[15:03] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: yes, that's wrong, I had to correct it
[15:04] <Disconnect> i saw one problem right off the top. "simply shrink partition 3" .. there is no "simple" shrink on any fs. there is risky and slightly-less-risky..
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> linux raid will alternate disks, so if it's streaming on a raid1, there can be overlap, but it's almos impossible to predict. use raid 10 for speed...
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, and the cpu overhead is practically none these days - even with the raid-6 complex parity calculation it's way faster than data transfer to/from a drive.
[15:05] <frikinz> Disconnect: can't remember but simply was meant to say that its easier with LVM that a fixed layout
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> the last big raid-6 setup I built could acheive streaming speeds of over 250MB/sec ..
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[15:06] <frikinz> Happy about the feedbacks actually :)
[15:06] <Disconnect> oooh. unmounting it caused the speed to shoot up
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> Disconnect, nothing reading/writing to it now.
[15:07] <Disconnect> yah
[15:07] <Disconnect> but insanely up. from 2950K to: [>....................] resync = 0.3% (9591168/2930134336) finish=3099.5min speed=15703K/sec
[15:07] <Disconnect> 5x faster
[15:07] <neilr> Wow. Not sure if this is intentional or not, but every time !NetFetch on RISC OS tries to connect to a mail server, it switches on all the LEDs on my Gertboard :-/
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[15:08] <frikinz> Disconnect: I'd be interested in 5mn. Then I'd really wonder about my laptop or one of the 2 disks I had (maxtor)
[15:08] <Disconnect> 5mn?
[15:08] <frikinz> Disconnect: yeah well, if its stable
[15:09] <Disconnect> neilr: dasblinkenlights
[15:09] <Disconnect> :)
[15:09] <Disconnect> frikinz: ahh. yah it was stable last night (until it crashed.) hopefully the turbo_mode fixed the crash
[15:09] <neilr> dassurprisenblinken
[15:10] <Disconnect> went up from 15 to 16.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> neilr, disconnect the gertboard :)
[15:10] <Disconnect> lol
[15:11] <frikinz> Disconnect: its a raid 1 right?
[15:11] <Disconnect> yah
[15:11] <Disconnect> debating redoing it as 10 but..
[15:11] <neilr> I dunno - I'm quite tempted to try and hack around with it so that it lights up one LED for every mail waiting :)
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[15:11] <nid0> how many disks are you using?
[15:12] <Disconnect> 2. some sites are saying it just does raid1 in that case, others say it requires 4 (raid1+0) others say .. well.. there is a lot of conflicting information. i may just poke the source and see what I find
[15:13] <nid0> you cant use raid 01 or 10 with less than 4 disks
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[15:13] <frikinz> how can that work?
[15:13] <nid0> both involve having a stripe and a mirror so 4 disks is the inherant minimum
[15:13] <frikinz> aah can't
[15:14] <Disconnect> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10 2 disk raid10 with 'far' layout
[15:14] <frikinz> ok :)
[15:14] <nid0> "The 2-drive example is equivalent to RAID 1."
[15:14] <nid0> "raid 10" with 2 drives is just raid 1
[15:14] <Disconnect> equivalent != identical
[15:15] <nid0> yes, but it is functionally identical.
[15:15] <frikinz> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:RAID_10.png
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[15:15] <Disconnect> an xls and a csv and an html table are "equivalent" but have very different access strengths :) thats what I'm trying to find. loading data in is gonna be slow, most of the time its gonna be reads so..
[15:16] <nid0> regardless of pedantry with the difference between equivilent and identical, a "raid 10" setup with only 2 disks IS raid 1, theyre equivilent, and identical, and the same, and have no differences.
[15:16] <frikinz> would it could also be a raid0 ? :)
[15:16] <frikinz> </pedantic>
[15:17] <frikinz> ok a raid 0+1 with 2 disks is a raid0
[15:17] <Hodapp> 'equivalent' and 'identical' are equivalent, but no identical, by the way.
[15:17] <Hodapp> s/no/not/
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[15:17] <Disconnect> nid0: except they are not identical. raid1 is a straight clone. raid10 offers different layouts (eg 'far') for some performance increases, etc.
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[15:24] <Disconnect> damnit. "# CONFIG_MD_RAID10 is not set" time to start building a kernel i guess
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[15:33] <Disconnect> btw if the pi is barely responsive and having IO trouble, you can enable (and use) sysrq-b from /proc with echo :)
[15:35] <Disconnect> (for example, if there is a volume running at less than 1k/sec and you can't sync or unmount it? like, if that happened to someone some time..)
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[15:50] <frikinz> Disconnect: so it was still running at 15MB/s?
[15:50] <frikinz> or is
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[15:52] <frikinz> I'll have to build again the raid to try to get at least the pi bandwidth with my laptop..
[15:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/274163947056295937/photo/1
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> question is can the model a do usn device
[15:56] <SpeedEvil> USB
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[15:58] <nid0> ?
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[16:02] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: it should do as the USB core from Synopsys is an OTG one. You may be stuck with the RPi as always being A or B though because that extra ID line doesn't seem to be there.
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> Disconnect, been away for a bit, but RAID-10 on 2 drives is OK for streaming, but not OK for anything else - however on a single bus you'll barely see any improvement at all.
[16:11] <Disconnect> yah. the longer goal for this is to have a pi that just does fileserving, then one for raspbmc and one for "other stuff" (ssh, desktopish, torrents, etc)
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Disconnect, Get an HP Proliant microserver.
[16:12] <Nahledge> there doesnt seem to be a xinitrc file to even edit... its always a new file when i open it with nano....
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[16:12] <Disconnect> yah that is the fallback. already prepared the wife for having to get one if this doesn't work out. something small that I can put a usb3 card into (drives are usb3)
[16:13] <Disconnect> grr. sources don't match the running kernel.
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[16:15] <gordonDrogon> Nahledge, .xinitrc (leading dot)
[16:15] <Nahledge> gordonDragon, its still an empty file
[16:15] <Nahledge> ...
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> Nahledge, yes, so create it.
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> althought what you really want is .xserverrc
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> I think you just put the path to fluxbox in it.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> actually, no - ignore that - jsut checked the man page - doh!
[16:17] <mafi> hi guys. anyone who bought his rasp at http://www.rs-components.com in the last couple of weeks?
[16:17] <mafi> how long have you been waiting for your rasp
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[16:18] <nid0> rs's waiting time for pis is screwy, and has been for months
[16:18] <nid0> you could be waiting a while
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Nahledge, create .xinitrc and stick /usr/bin/fluxbox in it (or whatever the path to fluxbox is)
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[16:19] <nid0> case in point, on rs's uk site if you order a pi for personal use theyre expecting to have stock in a week, but if you go to the business site to order the same pi they areny expecting stock till 21/12
[16:19] <mafi> nid0: i am waiting for like 6 weeks now
[16:20] <mafi> i orderd one for personal use
[16:20] <nid0> point is they wont have separate stocks for personal/business use, its just that even they dont seem to have any idea how long orders will take
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[16:28] <frikinz> strange, farnell says 3 weeks and in my company someone ordered monday, received yesterday
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[16:28] <nid0> lucky them, friend of mine ordered from farnell about 6 weeks ago, his showed up last friday
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[16:29] <frikinz> here it was farnell business
[16:29] <frikinz> which now shows 3 weeks
[16:30] <nid0> their own staff seem to have no idea what the situation is with them though, he called a couple of times for order updates and was told that they were waiting on the next batch from china
[16:30] <nid0> despite the fact that farnell are now very publicly getting them made in serial rather than batch production in wales, not china
[16:31] <frikinz> Here we ordered hundred of stuffs from rs/farnell and there are always strange timings. Either too quick or too short. Even on low demand stuff
[16:31] <frikinz> erf too quick or too slow
[16:31] <egrouse> yeah my pi from farnell took 3 weeks
[16:32] <egrouse> a workmate who ordered his a few days before i ordered mine got it the day before i ordered mine
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[16:32] <egrouse> i think they are rolling 3d6 to determine when to send out peoples orders
[16:32] <petern_> waited 4 months ;(
[16:32] <booyaa> egrouse: :( unlucky i've been really luck with farnell
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[16:32] <booyaa> rs is a different story
[16:32] <egrouse> it was unfortunate but tbh
[16:32] <egrouse> it said 3 weeks when i rodered
[16:33] <egrouse> so i was expecting it
[16:33] <egrouse> haha yeah booyaa
[16:33] <egrouse> aforementioned workmate ordered one from RS when they first were announced
[16:33] <egrouse> after 12 weeks he got sick of it, cancelled the order and got one from farnell in 3d
[16:33] <booyaa> yeah same here
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[16:33] <booyaa> there was 12 wks then then the said 8 more weeks
[16:33] <booyaa> gave up
[16:35] <mafi> i wrote them an email :) hopefully i get an response
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[16:35] <frikinz> /dev/null :p
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[16:35] <mafi> frikinz: i guess that will happen :=)
[16:36] <mafi> but i'll continue trying anyways
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[16:41] <OutOfLine> gordonDrogon: about to try...
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[16:45] <OutOfLine> gordonDrogon: ls -l /dev/i2c*
[16:45] <OutOfLine> crw------- 1 root root 89, 0 Nov 29 15:43 /dev/i2c-0
[16:45] <OutOfLine> crw------- 1 root root 89, 1 Nov 29 15:43 /dev/i2c-1
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[16:56] <Disconnect> gordonDrogon: for now i'm gonna bite the bullet and get a pci-e to usb3 adapter and do the data transfer on the old server. then if i have to use a micropc for the fileserver later i can just throw the card in it (comes with low profile brackets)
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[16:59] <Disconnect> hmm. those proliants are pretty cheap, but i think i can find something cheaper. all i need is pcie/usb3 and gig-e
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[17:02] <nid0> you can happily get dedicated nas's with usb3 ports these days
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[17:04] <Disconnect> i need it to have a replacable OS.
[17:05] <Disconnect> ooh. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119065
[17:09] <nid0> is it going to be headless?
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[17:10] <Disconnect> yah.
[17:11] <Disconnect> just needs to sit in a corner serving files to the pi's and laptops
[17:11] <Disconnect> low-power is mandatory tho, the wif wants to lower the electric bill. tons of huge 450W+ servers is a bad thing in her world.
[17:12] * Disconnect will be selling off some servers soon btw ;)
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[17:13] <Disconnect> looks like i can put together a bundle for $160. no drives, but i have some laying around. 4G ram, 2.5G dual-core celeron.
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> OutOfLine, thanks for that. looks ok.
[17:16] <OutOfLine> yes, np
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[17:17] <OutOfLine> what are you working on?
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon> OutOfLine, just wanted to check the gpio load i2c command was doing the right thing on a Rev 2.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> I realised I'd not loaded the i2cdev driver - small ommision.
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[17:37] * nid0 is fed up with royal mail :<
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[17:39] <Elspuddy> odd question, is there a way to pull all the packages from apt-get and store them local ?
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[17:43] <nid0> rsync --archive --verbose --delete --delete-delay --delay-updates \
[17:43] <nid0> archive.raspbian.org::archive /path/to/storage/folder
[17:44] <nid0> thatll generate a mirror of the entire repo
[17:44] <nid0> I take it you are aware that its quite large.
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[17:46] <DexterLB> what LED indication does the rpi give when it has booted successfully?
[17:46] <Disconnect> there are apps out there to mirror debian mirrors that might make life a little easier
[17:46] <Disconnect> http://freecode.com/projects/apt-mirror for example
[17:46] <DexterLB> in previous versions, the OK led remained lit, but I see that's not the case now
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> DexterLB, the "OK" led is used for SD card access - I'm sure it always has by default.
[17:47] <Elspuddy> how large is large ? more the 100 gig ?
[17:48] <nid0> its about 100, according to raspbian.org
[17:48] <Disconnect> Elspuddy: are you including just the pi stuff or the full debian mirror?
[17:48] <nid0> about 90gb of packages and 10gb of images
[17:48] <nid0> no idea if thats current though
[17:48] <Elspuddy> Disconnect : was thinking just the pi stuff
[17:48] <Disconnect> http://www.debian.org/mirror/size says armhf is 26G, plus common (64G)
[17:48] <Disconnect> ah ok
[17:49] <Disconnect> http://www.raspbian.org/Mirrors has info on that
[17:50] <Elspuddy> only asking becaues my usb ide drive died today and im useing a sata 150gig usb case
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[17:50] <Elspuddy> and i dont know what to fill it up with =)
[17:51] <DexterLB> it appears that the hdmi port has stopped working
[17:51] <DexterLB> is it possible to blow it out?
[17:52] <DexterLB> I built an exact same setup as a while ago, same screen, same SD card, same configuration, and I'm certain it works that way, just that it doesn't
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[17:54] <pksato> DexterLB: test with hdmi_safe=1
[17:54] <DexterLB> I am.
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[17:55] <pksato> Correct input selected on TV or Monitor?
[17:55] <DexterLB> yup
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[17:55] <DexterLB> where can I get a PCB layout of rev1 of the rpi?
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[17:58] <Elspuddy> one other question, how do i find out if i got my swap file enabled
[17:58] <pksato> DexterLB: http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#Schematic_.2F_Layout
[17:59] <pksato> Elspuddy: free command
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> Elspuddy, cat /proc/swaps
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[18:00] <Elspuddy> thanks, i dont think i got a swap file enabled, how do i enable it ?
[18:01] <pksato> first, create a parttion or a file, put in /etc/fstab and enable swapon -a
[18:02] <pksato> or, direct, swapon file
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[18:02] <Elspuddy> dose a 2 gig swap partision, but what do i put in /ect/fstab ?
[18:03] <Elspuddy> dose - done
[18:04] <DexterLB> pksato: thanks
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[18:04] <pksato> path/file or partition none swap sw 0 0
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[18:05] <Elspuddy> so /parth/to/swapparshion nonw swap sw 0 0 ?
[18:06] <pksato> I think so
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[18:10] <pksato> DexterLB: On oficial forum, have some issues about some HDMI devices blow diodes on HDMI port.
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> in /etc/fstag: /var/swapfile swap swap defaults 0 0
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> /etc/fstab*
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> to create: cd /var ; sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=64
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> then sudo mkswap swapfile
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> and sudo swapon -a
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian uses some new (and rubbish IMO) utility to create a 'dynamic' swapfile. It's a waste of startup time IMO.
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[18:14] <gordonDrogon> woa - just re-reading. a 2 Gig swap partition?? What a waste of SD card. Really, make it 64MB unless you're doing silly stuff like rebuilding huge pakages (and I mean huge)
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[18:15] <SpeedEvil> it's sane in this case
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> swap fragmentation is baaaaaad.
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[18:16] <DexterLB> pksato: that was my first thought; D1 is ok, just now I had the idea that the clamp diodes might have gone bad
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[18:19] <Elspuddy> back from the split, what did i miss ?? :)
[18:21] <nid0> some mild incredulity at the size of your swap partition
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[18:27] <Elspuddy> yep, i know 2 gig is overkill
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[18:30] <Elspuddy> it was 5 gig, but i manged to figure out how to shink it
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[18:31] <nid0> so from absurd to merely massive :)
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[18:32] <Elspuddy> lol, yep :)
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[18:34] <Vegar> is there a precompiled cec-client binary available anywhere?
[18:34] <Vegar> (or .deb for raspbian)
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[18:38] <DexterLB> pksato: D2 appears to have shorted out :(
[18:38] * Disconnect is probably going to disable swap entirely. the google/android guys found a lot of improvement on arm with no swap support
[18:39] <Disconnect> (disable in the kernel i mean. once its compiled in you may as well use it)
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[18:39] <Elspuddy> any way, still dont know what to put in put in /etc/fstab
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[18:41] <Disconnect> for a swap file?
[18:41] <Elspuddy> ye
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> what I typed earlier:
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> in /etc/fstag: /var/swapfile swap swap defaults 0 0
[18:41] <Disconnect> /file/goes/here none swap defaults 0 0
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[18:41] <Disconnect> also fstab or fstag?
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> fstab
[18:41] <Disconnect> ok just checking
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> which I'd corrected earlier. don't you guys have scroll-back?
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[18:42] <Disconnect> sorry, thought i'd help. i'll go study the scrollback instead and leave you to figure it out on your own..
[18:42] <Elspuddy> gordonDrogon : i must of missed that bit becaue of the split , thanks :)
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> split? Ah. I have all those messages turned off.
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> re-cap: Create swapfile: cd /var ; dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=64 ; mkswap swapfile ; edit fstab ; swapon -a
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> commands run as root/sudo.
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[18:43] <gordonDrogon> gives a 64MB swapfile.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> more than enough unless you're doing silly things - in which case a Pi isn't the best thing to do it on unless you have no choice.
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> and from what I gather the android people have more RAM than the Pi these days, so swap isn't as much of an issue as it was.
[18:45] <Disconnect> "these days" but that was in the g1 days..
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[18:46] <Elspuddy> can i replace /var/swarfile with the location of my swat partishion ?
[18:46] <Elspuddy> swap
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[18:48] <Disconnect> (found it finally. g1 was 192M ram, plus 256M rom split in really brain-damaged ways)
[18:48] <Disconnect> well. flash, not rom, but..
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Elspuddy, yes.
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Elspuddy, just remember to mkswap it first.
[18:52] <Demp> I'm trying to install lirc to work with mce transmitter. I tried using ./configure --with-driver=mceusb but I get an error "configure: error: *** it is not possible to install the specified driver on this system"
[18:55] <Disconnect> has anyone managed to get additional (in-kernel) modules cross-built for "3.2.27+"? they build, but the git repo has changes to "module_layout" that breaks against the distributed kernel binary..
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[18:57] <Elspuddy> guesiong, reboot after mkswap and editing /ect/fstab ?
[18:57] <Disconnect> or just swapon -a
[18:58] <Elspuddy> exelent, 2 gig of swap :)
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> don't use it all at once.
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[19:03] <Elspuddy> better
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[19:04] <Elspuddy> but the swap file is not all for me, its for google rome
[19:04] <Elspuddy> crome
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> chrome browser?
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[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I've run Hexxeh's chromeium build on a 256MB Pi and it's been fine - better than midori in-fact...
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[19:09] <Elspuddy> werid, iv had it crash on me lots of times, but i asumed this was becaues i did not have the swap file running
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[19:20] <axion> gordonDrogon: i use xombrero on the pi and my workstation. lighter/faster than midori and stil webkit. oh, and has an excellent security model
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[19:22] <gordonDrogon> axion, I don't think the Pi will replace my desktop any time soon - much as I'd like it to ):
[19:22] <axion> gordonDrogon: i meant 2 different devices
[19:22] <axion> the browser is that good :)
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[19:23] <axion> cookie/javascript/plugin domain and fqdn whitelisting is great
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[19:26] <Disconnect> axion: chrome does that too, just have to turn it on
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[19:27] <axion> most big browsers do
[19:28] <axion> i really dont care about chrome, or the bloat it provides
[19:28] <axion> chrome is an app platform, not an app meeting the unix philosphy
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> it's somewhat frightening how many websites have tracking cookies now.
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> and Iv'e found that some sites break when you turn-off the third party cookie thing too - mostly on-line payment gateways.
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[19:35] <rymate1234> "We're gonna track you, and you're gonna LIKE it"
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> hm. looks like firefox no-longer has the thirdparty cooke disablement now.
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> there is this: network.cookie.thirdparty.sessionOnly;false in about:config though.
[19:38] <axion> i have non whitelisted cookies last only a few moments with xombrero, and definitely cleared on close. also i opt in for DNT, and same domain referers only
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> does xombrero support adblock+ and flashblock and noscript and ghostery?
[19:40] <axion> think unix
[19:40] <axion> the browser should not handle that
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> So how do you handle it?
[19:40] <axion> but yes it can be done with other software in inclusion
[19:41] <axion> i personally use a proxy to take unwanted elements and other tracking out of pages
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've been thinking unix for the past 30 years. I'm getting tired and lazy.
[19:44] <axion> hehe
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[19:44] <axion> i am sort of a picky minimalist too :)
[19:44] <axion> even though you have me beat by a decade
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[19:48] <Hodapp> axion: my unix-ish way of doing that was to make a custom DNS server on the network with ad servers blacklisted
[19:48] <Hodapp> man, pages loaded so much faster
[19:48] <axion> dnsmasq is nice for that
[19:49] <Hodapp> I used BIND for whatever reason
[19:49] <axion> cool, i havent messed with bind in a long time
[19:49] <Hodapp> it served a dual purpose - the DNS from the ISP was butt-slow for some reason and this was doing some caching, and it did ad-blocking too
[19:49] <Hodapp> but this was years and years ago
[19:49] <axion> cool
[19:49] <eix> did somebody say AdTrap?
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[19:52] <axion> heh nice concept
[19:53] <axion> but 1 task per device?
[19:53] <axion> that is a little too unixy
[19:53] <eix> axion: coming soon to your local store
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[20:16] <pigeta1> hi all
[20:17] <eix> axion: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Services#Adsuck
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[20:18] <Disconnect> how many steps does it take to whitelist a website? starting with "the site is open and looks funny/doesn't work"
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[20:19] <eix> Disconnect: ?
[20:19] <axion> i use dnsmasq and polipo
[20:19] <axion> Disconnect: with xombrero
[20:19] <Disconnect> with axion's proxy setup i mean
[20:20] <axion> are you using that browser>
[20:20] <axion> ?
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[20:40] <frikinz> Ghostery is a nice ff extension also for privacy but once you look at it, you get scared
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[20:43] <axion> read the xombrero rationale if you want scary
[20:45] <frikinz> Yeah, I'm reading, never heard of it
[20:45] <frikinz> Lately I've played with dnsmasq and iptables filtering to check what my gf's iphone was doing. also my android phone
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[20:47] <frikinz> 17.0.0.0 is apple's (main?) adress space, easy to block but make the iphone slow down..
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[20:51] <axion> https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/XXXTerm_Rationale
[20:51] <axion> xxxterm being the project's previous title
[20:54] <frikinz> also Collusion is a nice ff extension
[20:54] <frikinz> I use ghostery + noscript but I quite often disable noscript
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, block with -reject rather than -drop in iptables.
[21:02] <mrmoney2012> had a lot of file corruption lately - am i right in thinking the most likely cause is power?
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, many reasons - overclocking, power, bad sd card... etc.
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[21:03] <mrmoney2012> my goal is now stability!
[21:03] <axion> mrmoney2012: also there is a config.txt option that helps
[21:03] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: yes I know but I don't care if the iphone crawls, she'll buy an android :)
[21:03] <axion> initial_turbo Enables turbo mode from boot for the given value in seconds (up to 60) or until cpufreq sets a frequency. Can help with sdcard corruption if overclocked. Default 0
[21:04] <mrmoney2012> 5v 700mA blackberry charger - bit wimpey ?
[21:04] <axion> barely cuts it
[21:04] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: the question is why the iphone wants constantly to call its master..
[21:04] <axion> i hope you dont have any peripherals attached
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[21:04] <axion> and not overclocked
[21:04] <mrmoney2012> that's just one choice
[21:05] <peetaur2> how do you cause corruption? what sort of load?
[21:05] <frikinz> Have to look into this overclock feature. I'll have to move from debian to raspbian finally
[21:05] <peetaur2> I tried it on my computer's USB3 port and didn't have any issues
[21:05] <mrmoney2012> also iPhone charger 5V 1A
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[21:06] <axion> if your tv has a usb port, you could try powering from there too
[21:06] <mrmoney2012> its a slimline one - i have a chunkier iPhone charger upstairs.
[21:07] <mrmoney2012> lots of peripherals will be attached but via powered usb hub
[21:07] <mrmoney2012> which has a 5V 2amp PSU
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[21:08] <pigeta> hey guy
[21:08] <mrmoney2012> safest to power the pi independently right - rather than via the hub
[21:08] <Disconnect> frikinz: probably the same reason android-with-google phones do. notifications and such.
[21:08] <Disconnect> mrmoney2012: depends on the hub.
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[21:08] <Disconnect> the one i have gives a higher/more stable voltage than the "recommended" psu that mcm sold me
[21:09] <mrmoney2012> i have digital volt mere with me so when this card images will test
[21:09] <mrmoney2012> is the voltage across TP1 and 2 expected to drop under load
[21:09] <mrmoney2012> i need to to be north of 4.85.. that right ?
[21:10] <thogue> you ned to be north of 4.75
[21:10] <thogue> it will tolerate into the 4.6~
[21:10] <upgrdman> new to the pi, mine pi's should arrive in a couple days. does anyone know if raspbian works just like "normal" linux when it comes to system calls, etc. in other words, would a book on linux programming apply equally to raspbian and an x86 distro?
[21:10] <thogue> anything below that, you are gonna start seeing usb issues, cpu issues soon after.
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[21:11] <mrmoney2012> ok. ta
[21:11] <rymate1234> upgrdman, last time I checked, raspbian IS normal linux
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[21:11] <thogue> the only thing that isnt "Normal" about it is the lock of software on the actual RPI
[21:11] <thogue> there is no bios,efi,firmware.
[21:12] <upgrdman> rymate1234: ok. thanks. i wasn't sure if there were any string attached.
[21:12] <axion> upgrdman: depends which software the book depends on. linux is a kernel, not an operating system
[21:12] <upgrdman> strings*
[21:12] <thogue> Hince the firmware getting loaded off the sdcard at boot, and the lack of grub/lilo etc.
[21:12] <thogue> Otherwise, its business as usual
[21:12] <mrmoney2012> the card is 8GB SDHC class10 integral - sound ok?
[21:12] <axion> for streams of data, yeah. rootfs, no
[21:13] <upgrdman> axion: sure. im talking mostly about system calls. the book i have thinking about buying (long before the pi came out) is The Linux Programming Interface. http://www.amazon.com/The-Linux-Programming-Interface-Handbook/dp/1593272200/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354219971&sr=8-1&keywords=linux+programming
[21:13] <pigeta> guys to configure my video i don't have
[21:13] <pigeta> hdmi
[21:13] <thogue> mrmoney2012: which model?
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[21:15] <thogue> mrmoney2012: you should be fine, but there are some integral cards on the "Issues" list
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[21:17] <mrmoney2012> i don't trust it - putting it to one side going with a class 4 sandisk 4gig
[21:18] <thogue> Had problems with your sandisk 4gig class4 ? usual those are pretty stable if I recall
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, sorry - been afk - iDevices constantly try to fetch a file off apple.com to check their Itnernet connectivity.
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[21:19] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, well - thats what they tell you, anyway, but it plays havoc with captive Internet portals and "free" wifi registrations systems.
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[21:26] <mrmoney2012> does shasum take a little while to run?
[21:28] <axion> it takes forever to run f not given an input
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[21:35] <mrmoney2012> with an image file...
[21:35] <mrmoney2012> anyway - testing tp1 and 2 - should the voltage be rock steady - ok to fluctuate a bit
[21:36] <mrmoney2012> apple psu one rock steady at 4.94 2nd psi rated the same fluctuating 4.99 5.0 4.99
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[21:40] <mrmoney2012> blimey - changed for a longer (el cheap) cable - voltage now 4.73
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[21:53] <ryao> I brought a Raspberry Pi and I have it on my desk. How would one get audio working when it is attached to a monitor that lacks speakers?
[21:53] <axion> attach it to speakers via phono plug?
[21:53] <ryao> Nevermind. I just saw the speaker jack. I didn't take it out of its anti-static bag yet.
[21:54] <hnsr> :D
[21:54] <ryao> The black jack was hard to spot inside the bag.
[21:54] <ryao> What is the thing labelled S2 on the board?
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[21:55] <pksato> ryao: http://elinux.org/File:Raspi-Model-AB-Mono-2-699x1024.png
[21:56] <ryao> pksato: Ah, cool. Thanks.
[21:57] <pksato> S2 CSI for camera board, and S1 for DSI display panel (not monitor)
[21:59] <pksato> ops... duplicate labels.
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[22:04] <pksato> S2 zif conector near edge is DSI, and S5 between HDMI and Ethernet is CSI.
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[22:07] <mrmoney2012> grrr. resize2fs: Permission denied to resize filesystem
[22:07] <mrmoney2012> this always used to work??? followed https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[22:12] <mrmoney2012> can anyone explain why online resize is not allowed ?
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[22:20] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, that'a quite old now...
[22:20] <mrmoney2012> interesting though - it worked for me before - recently.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> sure you did it as root?
[22:20] <mrmoney2012> i was ssh'd in that time
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> still need su/sudo ..
[22:21] <mrmoney2012> i will try again (reflashed)??? will try ssh'd
[22:21] <mrmoney2012> it's arch??? logged in as root
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[22:21] <mrmoney2012> sudo not installed by default
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[22:23] <mrmoney2012> this is spooking me out now - just ref lashed the card and the root password is the one i set before the flash??? how the heck can that be !
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[22:23] <mrmoney2012> data survived.
[22:24] <mrmoney2012> nah - something v wrong here.
[22:24] <mrmoney2012> rethinking that.
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> soubds like it.
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[22:26] <mrmoney2012> haha - errr ???. spot the mistake.. sudo dd bs=1m if=/dev/rdisk1 of=./archlinux-hf-2012-09-18.img
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[22:33] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[22:33] <BurtyB> re
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[22:34] <clyfe> i have no output on my tv via RCA cable (rpi booted nice, I have IP leased from DHCP)
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[22:40] <frikinz> Is there a raspbian image without X?
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[22:43] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: worked 2nd time around - ssh'd in
[22:46] <clyfe> I got it
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, you don't need to run X - trivial to remove from Raspbian, but I think there are some cut-down raspbian images out there...
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[22:52] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: thanks. yeah the time that I think about it, the normal raspbian image arrived :) torrent works great
[22:54] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: from the zip file, I guess the image is too big for where I'd like to put it. I'll see if I can remove things before burning. Unzipping now..
[22:54] <frikinz> Until now I only did a debootsrap install
[22:56] <frikinz> ah the image contains both partitions. hummm x86 boot sector
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[22:56] <frikinz> splitting it would be possible probably. argg sounds complex :)
[22:56] <frikinz> 1.9G o_O No way
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[22:58] <frikinz> let's see
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[23:04] <SpeedEvil> why did I part a few mins ago?
[23:05] <axion> connection reset by peer
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[23:06] <SpeedEvil> oh,
[23:06] <SpeedEvil> duh
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> that'll be when I plugged my heater into my ups, and it went all whiny'
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[23:08] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, it will unzip to a 2GB file
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> or just under 2GB.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, just dd it to a blank SD card and boot the Pi with it.
[23:09] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: yes. I have one sd of 2g but with lots of stuff, including debian soft vfp for arm. I'd like to try booting from usb this time
[23:10] <frikinz> but.. i have only one usb of 2G, with probably 700MB free. So I'm now mounting on my pc the .img and will remove stuffs
[23:10] <frikinz> ...
[23:10] <frikinz> booting out of a partition on usb disk is a simple as something like root=/dev/sdaX right?
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[23:10] <frikinz> (/boot will still be the one I already have on sd)
[23:11] <frikinz> hum wait I forgot the kernel is in boot ahah
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[23:12] <frikinz> ok, will move /boot from .img to my sdcard and overwrite the current
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[23:13] <frikinz> 1.2G out of 1.8 for rootfs seem to be taken already
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[23:14] <frikinz> fdisk -l 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img ; sudo mount 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img rootfs/ -o offset=$((512*122880))
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> Pi will not boot from USB.
[23:14] <frikinz> no?
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> no.
[23:15] <frikinz> :(
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> it must boot from SD.
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[23:15] <frikinz> /boot on sd and / on usb not?
[23:15] <axion> yes thats fine
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> that will work, but I don't know what magic it needs.
[23:15] <axion> and actually recommended
[23:15] <frikinz> yes yes, that's what I intended to do
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> axion, I don't recommend it.
[23:15] <axion> all it needs is cmdline.txt edited to point to the correct partition
[23:16] <axion> its faster and coruption is not an issue
[23:16] <axion> well can be faster usually
[23:16] <frikinz> I would have liked to have 2 /boot (to keep my old /boot) actually
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> one more point of failure.
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> just buy another SD card - they're quite cheap.
[23:16] <axion> better than the same point of failure over and over again
[23:16] <axion> i went through 6 already
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> or DD your existing SD card onto your PC, then DD the new image onto it.
[23:16] <frikinz> nothing is open right now :)
[23:17] <axion> my pi has sd corruption issues on latest firmware since 6 months ago
[23:17] <axion> along with a few others in here
[23:17] <frikinz> I have a samsung 2GB. I can't even remember which class it is
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> axion, what are you doing wrong? I've not broken an SD card or Pi yet (3 Pi's), 7 SD cards.
[23:17] <chithead> the class is normally printed onto the sd card
[23:17] <axion> i know it seems to be only a few of us that have rev1 boards
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> my 3 Pi's are rev 1.
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> One is original first batch, one is RS's first batch, one is Farnells first batch...
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[23:18] <delinquentme> hioooo all!!!
[23:18] <axion> i have talked to a few people having the same issues. we limited it to rev1 and ext4
[23:18] <axion> and i have used various brands of class 4 and 6
[23:18] <delinquentme> I joined the club today!!
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm lucky.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> back in 5..
[23:19] <delinquentme> so first question .. is what is the default OS running on the raspberry pi?
[23:19] <axion> none
[23:19] <axion> there is no OS on the pi
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[23:20] <frikinz> hum in fact I have a microsd adapter. lol didn't remember that
[23:20] <ghallberg> Does anyone use mosh on their raspberry?
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[23:20] <chithead> there is only some minimal boot loader that can read files on fat32 from sd card
[23:21] <frikinz> how is the /boot partition selected? first vfat? first?
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[23:22] <delinquentme> axion, I thought it came with some kind of linux installed??
[23:22] <chithead> you can buy rpis with preloaded linux sd cards
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[23:22] <axion> delinquentme: you thought wrong :)
[23:23] <Grievre> how big is the boot flash/boot rom on the rpi?
[23:23] <frikinz> delinquentme: it doesn't come with an sd card even
[23:23] <axion> you can buy the sdcard with linux if you cant do it yourself for a marked up price
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[23:23] <mgottschlag> Grievre: there are 32kByte of bootrom on the videocore side which contain code to load bootcode.bin
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[23:25] <delinquentme> axion, is there like a suggested OS? or does basically everyone use anything they can get to run on it?
[23:26] <axion> delinquentme: see the downloads section of the website. there are a few popular ones
[23:27] <axion> personally i use arch linux because its been on my desktop for 10 years
[23:28] <unreal-dude> delinquentme many also use raspbian (debian distro for the pi)
[23:28] <axion> a 1 device distro...haha
[23:28] <axion> pointless but whatever
[23:29] <frikinz> well, if you know debian or ubuntu and want hardfloat, you don't really have a choice?
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[23:30] <axion> sure you do. know other gnu systems. preferably ones that dont add every patch known to man to binaries
[23:31] <frikinz> don't want to get into a distro war. I've been putting debian on everything since 10 years, all works flawlessly, medical systems, satellites control system, ...
[23:32] <delinquentme> frikinz, what kind of medical systems do you build
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, Debian FTW - more like 18 years for me... or whenever it was first released..
[23:32] <ghallberg> I'd like to have a good non-rolling distro for my homeserver py
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[23:32] <unreal-dude> debian is my preference as well, quess i just never spent the time to get used to other distros
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[23:32] <ghallberg> But I use arch on my other machines
[23:33] <frikinz> I haven't tried arch due to lack of time. I'm not using ubuntu. I tried but it always fucked itself on its own
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> ghallberg, Debian stable is ... well .. stable - for a couple of years.... but the Debian for the Pi - raspbian is currently debian 'testing' ... however it's pretty stable now - close to release I think.
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[23:34] <ghallberg> Yeah, I'm waiting :)
[23:34] <frikinz> delinquentme: mechanical training "powerplate" ? controlled by say iphone, with screen in 3D, ... it was a prototype, the customer didn't manage in the end
[23:34] <axion> i use a combination of arch and LFS, though i prefer getting dirty and learning.
[23:34] <frikinz> I prefer to actually use my systems rather than building them
[23:34] <delinquentme> frikinz, that sounds like an "app"
[23:34] <delinquentme> not a medical device
[23:34] <frikinz> delinquentme: the mechanics and electronics built by my team
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[23:35] <delinquentme> frikinz, do you have a website w proptptype images?
[23:35] <frikinz> delinquentme: I said "I've been putting" debian on everything not building the whole stuff
[23:35] <axion> what does that mean? that arch is constantly being built?
[23:35] <frikinz> delinquentme: company died. I could share the whole code though :) full of perl
[23:36] <delinquentme> ohhh bummer
[23:36] <delinquentme> any kind of wilddly innovative business model?
[23:36] <frikinz> the end customer was so stupid..
[23:36] <delinquentme> frikinz, I ask bc im building out a OSH shaker
[23:36] <delinquentme> basically " how can we cheapen and automate lab research "
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[23:37] <delinquentme> frikinz, http://strong-flower-9013.herokuapp.com/
[23:37] <delinquentme> thats also on the list :D
[23:38] <frikinz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fT6qUzNu8k&feature=plcp << that's it. the core runs debian
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[23:38] <frikinz> french language.. but boring anyway
[23:39] <frikinz> controled by iphone, android, windows phone. that was painfull for them :)
[23:39] <frikinz> for me, the wireless fucking dongle
[23:40] <axion> read topic
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[23:45] <moogs> what is the best, most affordable place to get raspberry pi in united states?
[23:45] <axion> i'd say e14
[23:45] <delinquentme> moogs, thats where I got mine .. and they've got em in stock right now
[23:46] <axion> yes delivery time is typically 1-2 weeks...lucky if its 1-2 months from RS
[23:46] <unreal-dude> thats where i got my 3 :)
[23:47] <unreal-dude> 1st one took like 2 months, next 2 took less than a week for me
[23:48] <moogs> What does lead time mean?
[23:48] <moogs> It says lead time 29 days.
[23:49] <axion> it means estimated time from order to delivery
[23:49] <axion> prob be shorter than that
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