#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-11-30

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[1:44] <Porpado_> Just got my pi and after setting it to boot to desktop, i find my wireless mouse doesn't work with it. Any way to re-config or boot to the command line other than re-imaging my SD card?
[1:45] <mgottschlag> Porpado_: well, there is always Ctrl+Alt+F1
[1:45] <axion> and if no keyboard, you could always SSH into it
[1:46] <mgottschlag> where you could use raspi-config
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[1:46] <Porpado_> i got the keyboard! this is what i needed. Thanks
[1:46] <Porpado_> btw where is the config stored?
[1:46] <mgottschlag> there is no single config for everything
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[1:47] <Porpado_> the rasp config, where i set it to boot to desktop
[1:47] <mgottschlag> raspberry pi specific parts are in /boot/config.txt (e.g. overclocking)
[1:47] <Porpado_> ty
[1:47] <mgottschlag> that is not raspi specific
[1:47] <mgottschlag> booting to desktop is done by a script which is started by the unix init system, so you have to dig somewhere in /etc/init.d
[1:48] <mgottschlag> but you can just use "raspi-config" and disable the graphical environment again
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[1:48] <axion> in other words, raspi-config sets varies config files
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[1:48] <axion> various
[1:48] <Porpado_> ah
[1:49] <Porpado_> well this for what its worth, i already got rid of my overscan :)
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[3:00] <DooMMasteR> http://industrialbank.gov.sy/ < :P deface
[3:01] <DMackey> Anyone know where to get a Pibow case BUT in black instead of rainbow?
[3:01] <akiwiguy> hah, just saw that on twitter
[3:02] <Armand> Nice. :)
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[3:10] <jimerickson> using a working belkin N150 wireless adapter in an attempt to get my pi connected, but wpa_gui just says scanning and nothing else. do i have a bad pi?
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[3:25] <Cykey> Guys and girls.
[3:25] <Cykey> I have an issue.
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[3:26] <Cykey> My Raspberry Pi automatically disconnects from the internet after a while
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[3:27] <cerjam2> reofmrat!
[3:27] <Cykey> o_O
[3:27] <Cykey> Maybe it's a standby mode or something?
[3:28] <axion> consult your kernel and system log
[3:29] <Armand> I suspect it's a network issue, considering your obvious issues with IRC.... Cykey. ?_?
[3:29] <pksato> how do to reconnect?
[3:29] <Cykey> shutup Armand. :P
[3:29] <Armand> Hehe
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[3:43] <Cykey> axion, how does one do that? :P
[3:43] <Cykey> I mean, where are those files located?
[3:44] <pksato> /var/log
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[3:46] <Loggiew> hey all, I just got my RPI and Im mildly confused. I am trying to write a C app which references libstdc++ libraries such as <algorithm> and <utility> and they were not present in /usr/include.
[3:46] <Loggiew> I used apt-get to install libstdc++ but now it still isn't finding the libraries properly. Any guidance would be appreciated.
[3:46] <Cykey> Alright, I see things such as "ifplugd: Link beat lost. Exiting."
[3:47] <akk> Ah, maybe you'd be better off disabling ifplugd in that case. Is it on by default?
[3:47] <Cykey> Anyone knows what that means? :P
[3:47] <Cykey> I'm not sure
[3:47] <axion> Loggiew: do you have the proper -dev package?
[3:48] <akk> ifplugd is something that watches the ethernet plug to try to figure out if it's connected to the network, and auto-configure the net accordingly.
[3:48] <Loggiew> yes, with apt-get install libstdc++6-4.7-dev
[3:48] <Loggiew> er, I believe yes. I suppose I could still be linking it incorrectly
[3:49] <Cykey> akk: okay. And how does one disable that?
[3:49] <akk> sudo pkill ifplugd would probably do it.
[3:50] <Loggiew> Im a little surprised, I grabbed the debian image and I expected it to have those libraries on it by default. Is there a list of libraries I ought to be installing off the bat?
[3:50] <akk> That's to disable it in the currently running Linux. It'll come back after a reboot, but you'll want to test it before disabling it permanently.
[3:53] <Cykey> akk: Alright, I'll check if that does the trick. How would one permanently disable it?
[3:54] <axion> Loggiew: there is a meta-package...build-essential i think
[3:55] <Loggiew> aha, thanks. I'll take a look and see if that helps me
[3:55] <axion> it should pull in all you need to build stuff
[3:55] <akk> Cykey: The most thorough way is to uninstall it. :) There are lots of less drastic ways, but I confess I don't know the one currently recommended by debian (you are running raspbian?)
[3:55] <Cykey> I am.
[3:55] <Cykey> Maybe I could just add that command to my .bash_profile? :P
[3:55] <Cykey> well, maybe somewhere else
[3:55] <akk> Cykey: What I usually do is mv /etc/init.d/servicename (in this this case servicename is probably ifplugd) to somewhere else.
[3:56] <Cykey> I see
[3:56] <akk> Cykey: I don't think that method is looked on favorably by debian people, but I've found it usually works better than the methods they actually recommend.
[3:56] <Cykey> ehhh
[3:56] <Cykey> bad news.
[3:56] <akk> But try it first, run with it for a few hours or whatever, make sure it works before worrying about the permanent fix.
[3:57] <Cykey> yeah, that didn't do the trick
[3:57] <Cykey> sec.
[3:57] <Cykey> Oh, uh, it somehow got restarted
[3:58] <pksato> Loggiew: try install build-essential package.
[3:58] <Loggiew> thanks dude, I'll give that a try and ping back with the results
[3:59] <pksato> and lots other -devs
[4:01] <Cykey> akk, I just moved the file out of that folder. I'll check if that works tomorrow and I'll send you a PM (If that's okay with you? :P).
[4:01] <akk> Cykey: It's okay with me, but it's better to ask things on the list, not in PM.
[4:01] <Cykey> True, true.
[4:01] <akk> Cykey: I may not be around, and even if I am, someone might who's more familiar with this specific problem.
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[4:02] <Cykey> Mhm.
[4:03] <Cykey> Anyway, I am going to bed. NIght.
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[4:05] <Loggiew> build-essential already installed :/
[4:05] <Loggiew> reinstalling just for the sake of doing so
[4:05] <axion> Loggiew: what is the exact problm
[4:05] <axion> \
[4:06] <Loggiew> I got a gprs module with a shield designed for the Pi etc
[4:06] <Loggiew> using the example code to test the device, it calls #include <algorith>
[4:06] <Loggiew> <algorithm> doesn't appear to exist by default on my Pi
[4:06] <Loggiew> Im not sure if it should, and if so, why not?
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[4:09] <Loggiew> after I installed libstdc++-dev-4.7 it appeared to now have the file but not in /usr/include, there are now two copies in /usr/include/c++/4.6.3 and /user/include/4.7
[4:10] <Loggiew> which is really odd. I'd say I missed it in the 4.6.3 directory first but I had done a find / and it didn't show up, of that I am certain
[4:10] <Loggiew> so Im about ready to reload and start over
[4:10] <Loggiew> because obviously I f***ed something
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[4:12] <pksato> is not in /usr/include
[4:13] <axion> try: `gcc -print-prog-name=cc1plus` -v
[4:14] <Loggiew> /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.6/cc1plus
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[4:14] <axion> pastebin output
[4:15] <feeshon> Just got a raspberry pi and trying to copy a raspbian image using DD. Doesn't seem like the raspberry pi finds the image
[4:15] <pksato> and C source.
[4:15] <feeshon> Does it need to extra the image or can you just place the .img on card
[4:15] <feeshon> and what file system does the card need to be formated in?
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[4:16] <Loggiew> the output of that command you asked me to run? Thats the single line I pasted above
[4:16] <pksato> just dump .img to sd card
[4:16] <Loggiew> feeshon: I did dd if=rpi.img of=/dev/sdb
[4:16] <DMackey> I used that Windows program that is mentioned here : http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[4:16] <feeshon> I did the DD but no luck
[4:17] <Loggiew> is the Pi seeing your card? Doesn't it have issues with class 10 or whatever?
[4:17] <feeshon> pksato: By dump you mean just CP the .img over?
[4:17] <pksato> no.
[4:17] <Loggiew> dd
[4:17] <pksato> dd (dump data)
[4:17] <feeshon> It is a class 10 card
[4:17] <feeshon> I also have a kodak junk 4Gb card I can try
[4:18] <pksato> or another raw write tool.
[4:18] <feeshon> right
[4:18] <Loggiew> try the other card I would say
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[4:19] <axion> Loggiew: did you use the backticks?
[4:19] <axion> seem you did not
[4:19] <pksato> junk? test it first. use badblocks
[4:19] <Loggiew> heh let me try again
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[4:21] <axion> it could be re-written like this: $(gcc -print-prog-name=cc1plus) -v
[4:21] <Loggiew> http://pastebin.com/GwrTdtAL
[4:21] <Loggiew> that what you are looking for?
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[4:25] <feeshon> What file format should the cards be formated in?
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[4:26] <pksato> feeshon: after dump .img, two partitio is visible. one fat and other ext4 (or another)
[4:27] <pksato> dont need to pre-format.
[4:27] <axion> Loggiew: so those are the paths it is searching
[4:27] <feeshon> ok
[4:27] <axion> now C source
[4:27] <feeshon> tried the kodak card and don't get anything different on the lights
[4:28] <axion> feeshon: the image extracts an entire disk of multiple filesystem formats
[4:28] <axion> you have to use a raw disk writer
[4:28] <pksato> I buy a used 15" lcd monitor, inside have space to put RPi.
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[4:33] <Loggiew> axion, thanks. I'll toy from here some more. I've got some stuff I've gotta go take care of. Thanks for the help.
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[4:40] <feeshon> they also make vesa mounts with a case to mount on the back of monitors
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[4:49] * Tabaliah just finished making 24 pi cases
[4:49] <ShiftPlusOne> 3d printed?
[4:49] <Tabaliah> No, laser cut acrylic
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah ok.
[4:50] <Tabaliah> After a few all you can smell is burning plastic :(
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> That can't be too good for your health =/
[4:51] <Tabaliah> It just stick to everything, most of the fumes are vented.
[4:51] <Tabaliah> Makes nice cases tho.
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[4:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm, I haven't actually found a good acrylic case yet. (My criteria being that the pi doesn't rattle and the gpio is accessible and allows a ribbon cable to go through.)
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[4:54] <Tabaliah> There are edge connectors for pc boards that will hold things without holes like the pi - and the new one has two holes in it that will stop it from rattling.
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[4:54] <LVLAaron> anyone wanna buy a pi model b?
[4:55] <plugwash> LVLAaron, when asking questions like that it helps to specify what revision it is and where you are....
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[4:56] <LVLAaron> I didn't know there were revisions.
[4:56] <LVLAaron> it's hte 512mb model
[4:56] <LVLAaron> in US
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[5:10] <feeshon> I believe I am doing everything correctly and still no boot
[5:15] <pksato> feeshon: SD or PSU issues.
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[5:26] <ryushe> I bought a ModMyPi case, and so far I'm happy with it
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[5:33] <axion> feeshon: does the green led blink at all when you plug it in?
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[5:39] <pksato> feeshon: hdmi or cbs (rca) video out?
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[6:14] <damo22> hi folks, i had an idea for raspberry pi
[6:15] <damo22> what about a dummy driver for the ethernet port to allow it to control the link+100 lights
[6:16] <damo22> so i can call a program to switch the leds on and off on the board manually
[6:16] <damo22> to be used as visual indicators
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[6:17] <damo22> for example, i have it mounted in a clear case and i want to use my pi as an audio recording interface but i want to know when the recording is active or not
[6:17] <lunra> Good idea, but why not just put LEDs on the GPIOs?
[6:17] <lunra> oh, case. Sorry.
[6:17] <damo22> because i already have a case
[6:17] <damo22> and i dont need much external stuff
[6:17] <damo22> i doubt it would be that hard to write one
[6:18] <damo22> where would i start
[6:18] <damo22> examine the driver for the ethernet?
[6:19] <damo22> i dont know anything about hardware
[6:19] <damo22> i wouldnt know how to hook up a led to the gpio
[6:19] <damo22> is it as simple as attaching it to two pins through a resistor?
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[6:20] <lunra> Well, you're 'probably' supposed to use a buffer of some kind, but that's how I did it
[6:20] <damo22> where do i find the specs on the voltages of the reference etc
[6:21] <damo22> and pinouts of gpios
[6:21] <Gr33n3gg> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[6:21] <damo22> thanks
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[6:23] <lunra> You'll probably want to use gord_nDrogon's lovely https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/ for accessing the GPIOs. (placed an underscore in his nick to avoid highlighing him)
[6:23] <Gr33n3gg> ^
[6:23] <Gr33n3gg> there's tons of libraries for controlling the GPIO pins
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[6:26] <damo22> holy moly
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[6:26] <damo22> MemTotal: 497764 kB
[6:26] <damo22> woot!
[6:27] <damo22> what is revision 000F
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[6:29] <axion> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=raspberry+pi+000f
[6:30] <piney0> damo22, the wiki states that GPIO16 drives status LED D5 (usually SD card access indicator) you can get access to control that one easily
[6:31] <damo22> axion: nice to see people have a sense of humour here
[6:31] <axion> ;)
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[6:36] <damo22> thanks all, very useful posts i will return later
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[6:38] <Gr33n3gg> wait, I can connect my raspberry pi to my tv
[6:38] <Gr33n3gg> what the hell am I doing using a 9" screen
[6:42] <lunra> It'd be sweet if that 9" screen was portable.
[6:42] <Gr33n3gg> eh, it's some polaroid TV
[6:42] <Gr33n3gg> I think I'm gonna get one of the 4.3" backup camera monitors on ebay for $20
[6:43] <lunra> ooh
[6:44] <Gr33n3gg> mount the pi and monitor on the wall and have a script fetch weather everyone 10 mins
[6:44] <axion> why not an stm32v?
[6:44] <Gr33n3gg> axion: because I don't have one of those on hand, though they are interesting
[6:45] <lunra> Because using a Pi is way easier, which is kind of sad.
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[6:46] <ryushe> that's a pretty cool screen, too bad it's only 320x240 though
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[6:46] <lunra> Yeah, I'm trying to weigh up whether it'd be useful as a console screen.
[6:46] <lunra> I'd have to mod the font, of course.
[6:47] <ryushe> yeah, a case for it would be cool
[6:47] <ryushe> maybe a kit with a case for that thing with space for a Pi behind it
[6:47] <ryushe> that touchscreen is a pretty neat feature
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[6:47] <ryushe> anyone happen to know of an affordable 7" version of that? :)
[6:48] <akk> I'm seeing more 7" than 4.3" when I search ebay for backup camera monitor, but most of them aren't buy it now.
[6:49] <Gr33n3gg> lemme find the one that is on my list
[6:49] <akk> That does look very handy as a portable console, though.
[6:49] <Gr33n3gg> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/300780166478?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[6:49] <Gr33n3gg> 320x240
[6:50] <ryushe> 20 bucks? wow
[6:50] <axion> hack a motorla lapdock
[6:50] <axion> 10" or so
[6:51] <lunra> Those are going to get hard to come by very quickly.
[6:51] <lunra> I should probably get one while I still can :X. I'd urge that everyone follow suit.
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[6:53] <ryushe> this might be cool for a car PC: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/PANEL-7-TOUCHSCREEN-TFT-CAR-STEREO-RADIO-DVD-PLAYER-SWC-USB-SD-BACKUP-CAMERA-/261133927850?pt=US_Video_In_Dash_Units_w_o_GPS&hash=item3ccccb85aa&_uhb=1#ht_10751wt_986
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[6:57] <phire> $149 shipping
[6:58] <ryushe> shit, missed that ;)
[7:01] <lunra> Careful, no foul language :)
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[7:04] <ryushe> apologies
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[7:57] <mrmoney2012> i see this in logs on a fresh install - - mmcblk0: timed out sending r/w cmd command, card status 0x400d00
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[8:03] <axion> mrmoney2012: is it that time again?
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[8:07] <axion> every day lol...
[8:07] <Grievre> ?
[8:07] <Grievre> idgi
[8:08] <axion> he has the same problem all the time
[8:08] <mrmoney2012> in all fairness - I don't think so. I might have mentioned it once before
[8:08] <axion> you can install fresh all you want on a corrupted sd card
[8:08] <axion> i count 3 days in my log
[8:09] <thogue> anyone here have an opinion on a good first meetup topic for raspberry pi meetup in my area, a local meetup organizer has asked me to get one going and I recently found someone to give a presentation with me.... thoughts ?
[8:09] <thogue> Which card is this mrmoney2012 ?
[8:10] <mrmoney2012> Well I wasn't talking about this specific message - corruption in general, mentioned that a few times - still nice to know you're keeping a log
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[8:11] <axion> mrmoney2012: messing with ya, relax
[8:11] <axion> mrmoney2012: the bot is keeping a log on the www
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[8:12] <mrmoney2012> this one's a sandisk on arch - have a feeling it's the latest kernel???. and i see this post http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=8595&p=102624 - i do have sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 in my cmdline.txt, so I will remove it as per the forum post.
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[8:17] <mrmoney2012> removed sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 - it boots - error gone. no idea why. oh well.
[8:24] <mrmoney2012> if a machine is headless - is there any reason to allocate memory to the GPU. I mean, I know if a screen is connected it'll help - but what about VNC'd in for example - does GPU memory help with that at all?
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[8:31] <jtmitch> how can I tell if I'm running debian versus raspbian?
[8:32] <jtmitch> this Pi was mailed to me and I'm not sure which distro it's running .. kernel is at 3.1.9
[8:32] <jtmitch> according to uname -a
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[8:34] <CelticTurnip> cat /etc/issue maybe?
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[8:35] <ShiftPlusOne> checking the repos might be a hint too
[8:35] <jtmitch> would raspbian report differently than just debian?
[8:35] <jtmitch> I know it's some version of debian - /etc/issue gave back Debian/GNU Linux 6.0
[8:36] <ShiftPlusOne> does debian come with raspi-config?
[8:36] <jtmitch> not sure - I normally use Arch
[8:36] <jtmitch> this one doesn't appear to have a raspi-config
[8:36] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's debian then
[8:37] <jtmitch> k
[8:37] <jtmitch> how bout determining if I have soft float versus hard?
[8:37] <ShiftPlusOne> readelf -a somebinary| grep FP
[8:38] <jtmitch> any binary?
[8:38] <ShiftPlusOne> I am pretty sure it's debian anyway
[8:38] <jtmitch> yes - appears to be
[8:39] <jtmitch> I'm fairly convinced - though I guess my real concern is if it's Hard float versus soft
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> it would be soft
[8:39] <jtmitch> la suck
[8:39] <ShiftPlusOne> try running that command on... idn /bin/bash or something
[8:40] <jtmitch> bunch of blah blah... Needed
[8:40] <jtmitch> and IEEE 754
[8:40] <ShiftPlusOne> if you don't see something that looks like bleh_something_FP=SP and DP, then it's softfloat
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[8:41] <jtmitch> kay - I figured
[8:41] <jtmitch> so if I have a program that's using a lot of floating point math - that might be super friggin slow because of the soft float?
[8:41] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think the difference is that dramatic, no.
[8:41] <CelticTurnip> what's stopping you downloading Raspbian if it's that important?
[8:42] <ShiftPlusOne> or better yet, Arch, since you're used to it.
[8:42] <CelticTurnip> yeah I was about to say Arch supports hard float now
[8:43] <CelticTurnip> or jsut got for it and use RISC OS ;)
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[8:46] <jtmitch> well - I have signed an NDA that says I can't tell you why I'm interested in it :)
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[8:47] <jtmitch> CelticTurnip: I'd love to - but the project is time sensitive and I need to go with what works
[8:47] <jtmitch> (which means with what I understand presently)
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[8:51] <jtmitch> which pi is newer? 2011.12 or 2011 (as marked on PCB)
[8:52] <Gr33n3gg> I think the 2011.12, since it's the 512MB version without polyfuses on the USBport
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[8:53] <ShiftPlusOne> My first pi says 2011 which I ordered as soon as they were available, so yeah.
[8:53] <jtmitch> sweet - that means this guy didn't know what he had - but "free" still indicates 256 MB ram?
[8:54] <jtmitch> maybe he didn't update firmware?
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[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> most likely
[8:55] <jtmitch> has to be it - no /boot/config.txt
[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> is there /boot/* ?
[8:55] <ShiftPlusOne> might just not be mounted
[8:56] <Gr33n3gg> you can do cat /proc/meminfo
[8:57] <jtmitch> there is a /boot directory - it has all the older style start**.elf files
[8:58] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, clearly outdated then
[9:01] <jtmitch> Gr33n3gg: that reports 188 MB total memory - so I'm assuming that meminfo is set after boot and not based on actual hardware
[9:01] <jtmitch> Gr33n3gg: into BBQ?
[9:03] <Gr33n3gg> jtmitch: the GPU/RAM split could be configured so there's 192MB RAM and leaves the rest to the GPU
[9:03] <Gr33n3gg> are you running raspbian or debian again?
[9:04] <jtmitch> debian
[9:05] <jtmitch> apparently pretty old
[9:05] <jtmitch> and having trouble updating it
[9:05] <Gr33n3gg> if it is debian, what does cat /etc/debian_version give you?
[9:08] <jtmitch> 6.0.4
[9:08] <Gr33n3gg> hmm
[9:09] <jtmitch> pensive hmm
[9:09] <Gr33n3gg> jtmitch: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1671/how-can-i-change-the-ram-split
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[9:11] <ShiftPlusOne> that page is outdated and I think jtmitch's problem is that the pi doesn't yet see all of the ram because it's running really old firmware.
[9:12] <Gr33n3gg> ohhh, I see
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[9:14] <DarkTherapy> morning all
[9:15] <jtmitch> ShiftPlusOne: bingo
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[9:21] <CelticTurnip> new roundcube... time to update the mail server, brb
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[9:28] <DarkTherapy> so, I've now got my rasPi opening my garage door via Siri voice command thanks to siriproxy and wiringPi
[9:28] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[9:28] <CelticTurnip> nice :)
[9:29] <DarkTherapy> I'll video it when I get chance..
[9:29] <n1ko> DarkTherapy: care to write a blog or forum post about it ? Sounds awesome
[9:30] <DarkTherapy> hmmm, could do.. but it's rather simple, not much to add to siriproxy
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[9:39] <DarkTherapy> here's a couple of photos of my pi hooked up to a bank of 8 relays, 1 used for the garage door https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zeih0fb157eivnl/94mqj-mDH0
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[9:40] <CelticTurnip> :)
[9:40] <DarkTherapy> :)
[9:40] <jtmitch> DarkTherapy: I would not underestimate the interest you might generate by posting those directions
[9:41] <DarkTherapy> ok, I
[9:41] <jtmitch> Easy entry points start up new hobbyists all the time
[9:41] <DarkTherapy> I'll get on it
[9:41] <CelticTurnip> DarkTherapy: get it written up on raspberrypi.org :)
[9:41] <DarkTherapy> yep
[9:41] <jtmitch> just don't give your email addy out - you'lll get the dumbest questions of your lifetime
[9:41] <DarkTherapy> lol
[9:42] <frikinz> Is there any page that references libs, frameworks, etc.. to control gpios? I want to do a test REST web interface
[9:43] <frikinz> just found a few things referenced here http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
[9:43] <Gr33n3gg> frikinz: there's a PHP implementation of wiringpi, there's also rpi gpio which is python
[9:44] <jtmitch> laugh now...
[9:44] <jtmitch> aren't there custom kernels that 'turn on' things like i2c support?
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[9:45] <frikinz> Gr33n3gg: thank you
[9:45] <lunra> DarkTherapy: That is a *sweet* rig with your monitor there! Props!
[9:45] <Jck_true> frikinz: Check the wiki
[9:45] <frikinz> php, python. this probably has a huge footprint but I'll see
[9:45] <DarkTherapy> thanks, made that myself some time ago
[9:45] <Jck_true> frikinz: elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[9:46] <frikinz> Jck_true: yes, I was just looking at this one after I asked :) thanks
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[9:46] <Gr33n3gg> I used the rpi gpio library to read input from my NES controller, it's pretty much a C port from the wiringpi NES code
[9:47] <Gr33n3gg> I thought it was going to be slow, but it's quite responsive
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[9:48] <frikinz> hum there's a perl library <3
[9:48] * neilr checks thermometer in shed/office. 3C. Goes away again to get a hat and cup of tea.
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[9:49] <RaTTuS> umm my shed was -3.5 this morning
[9:49] <RaTTuS> umm
[9:49] <CelticTurnip> at 6AM this morning it was 28'C here ;)
[9:50] <neilr> http://www.ronketti.org.uk/temp.html - live shed temp stats. Just in case you were curious :)
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[9:50] <Gr33n3gg> neilr: where did you get the temp sensor from?
[9:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> ooh - nice - somehtng I shoudl do
[9:51] <neilr> Wrote to Dallas Semiconductor, told them I wanted samples.
[9:51] <Gr33n3gg> ah, I've done that before
[9:51] <Jck_true> I'm tempted to order a few DHT11 temp modules
[9:51] <neilr> I started this 11 years ago (!) The office chocolate machine kept on breaking down
[9:52] <neilr> which was a pain as it was at the end of a long corridoor
[9:52] <neilr> so I wanted to put a temp sensor in there so I could check before I made the journey
[9:52] <neilr> cable run was too long though
[9:52] <neilr> so I put the sensor into my drinks mat instead
[9:52] <Gr33n3gg> hmm, well it's not like I go outside anyway
[9:52] <neilr> I made it social-media aware a few months ago - it sent a tweet every time I had a cuppa
[9:53] <neilr> Found out that I drink too much tea
[9:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://uk.farnell.com/maxim-integrated-products/ds18b20/thermometer-prog-12bit-3to92/dp/1187948?whydiditmatch=rel_default&matchedProduct=Dallas+DS18B20&matchedProduct=Dallas+DS18B20&whydiditmatch=rel_default
[9:53] <booyaa> neilr: hahah
[9:53] <neilr> There's all sorts of places you can get the 18B20 from. And now that 1-wire support is built into the kernel, it's a cheap way to monitor the temperature
[9:54] <Gr33n3gg> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2PCS-DS18B20-DALLAS-18B20-TO-92-1-Wire-Digital-Temperature-Sensor-IC-/400347490713?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3691e999&_uhb=1#ht_2422wt_1393
[9:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha chip partner =- used them a lot
[9:54] <neilr> Or you can still use DS9490R USB to 1-wire bridge if you don't fancy soldering
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[9:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> neilr - have you a post on the forums about that - ciruit + code ?
[9:57] <neilr> I also hooked up a pair of motors and ducted fans to a Gertboard, and switched them on when the temperature got over 20C.
[9:57] <neilr> Cleared all the papers off my desk
[9:57] <neilr> and the spiders from the shed as well
[9:57] <neilr> RaTTuS - yup
[9:58] <neilr> it's in the sensors section
[9:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
[9:58] <neilr> I uploaded the code I use to drive it
[9:58] <neilr> search for posts by nr.
[9:58] <neilr> (the . is important)
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[10:08] <jtmitch> any way to easily test a webcam without using a desktop
[10:08] <DarkTherapy> laptop
[10:08] <jtmitch> okay ... so I wasn't specific enough
[10:09] <jtmitch> on the raspberry pi... insert earlier question
[10:09] <jtmitch> I know the cam works on a normal machine
[10:09] <StMichel> there should be command line programs that capture video stream or still images from a webcam
[10:11] <lunra> Anyone ever get lxc to work on the Pi under Arch?
[10:13] <jtmitch> hmm... on one pi lsusb report webcam and I can see /dev/video0
[10:13] <jtmitch> on the other - lsusb reports webcam, but no /dev/video0
[10:14] <jtmitch> does the new Pi allow higher mA pull from USB?
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[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> jtmitch, yes, the polyfuses are removed.
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[10:15] <jtmitch> ah.. thanks ShiftPlusOne you've been very helpful
[10:15] <jtmitch> now... where is apowered hub when I need one
[10:15] <jtmitch> does that mean it's not a great idea to swap sd cards from two different version pi's?
[10:16] <ShiftPlusOne> jtmitch, the polyfuses were used to trigger an overcurrent condition, but were very low value, so they would cause a voltage drop and also prevent many devices from working. On the other hand, no if a device tries to draw too much current, it can cause the pi to reboot =/. And np.
[10:16] <ShiftPlusOne> You should be able to swap them without any problems
[10:16] <jtmitch> that... rocks
[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> Though I think someone said something about that possibly messing up the hardware address of eth0, but I don't know anything about that.
[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> *now
[10:17] <jtmitch> using wifi dongle...
[10:17] <jtmitch> point being - it will either work or not, but won't blow up
[10:18] <DarkTherapy> I just bridge the poly fuses..
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Same here
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[10:18] <frikinz> Yes, udev creates a rule to link a mac adress to eth0 name. So if you swap in another pi, the eth0 will not be avaialbe, your eth will be called eth1 and /etc/network/interfaces will not bring up interface
[10:18] <jtmitch> put solder to my pi?
[10:18] <DarkTherapy> yep
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> but now my pi reboots if I plug in the wifi dongle.
[10:18] <jtmitch> lol
[10:18] <jtmitch> I mean... shit
[10:18] <lunra> You needed a capacitor there
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah
[10:19] <Gr33n3gg> ShiftPlusOne: what about a powered USB hub?
[10:19] <lunra> The new Pis lack a capacitor too, my friend gets reboots connecting even simple a hub with nothing connected to it
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Gr33n3gg, where's the fun in that?
[10:19] <frikinz> (solution is to rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules before swapping to another pi)
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[10:19] <lunra> s/simple //
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[10:20] <DarkTherapy> https://www.dropbox.com/s/t8cr591shoe3xbe/IMGP0461.JPG
[10:20] <Gr33n3gg> http://www.bitwizard.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Reducing_power_consumption_of_a_raspberry_Pi
[10:20] <DarkTherapy> 2 1ohm resistors to bridge the fuses
[10:20] <Gr33n3gg> I remember skipping over this page before I got my rpi
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[10:22] <jtmitch> swap worked without a hitch
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[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> DarkTherapy, I just removed the fuses and soldered a bit of wire there. But that was a bit too fiddley.
[10:22] <jtmitch> I only bring up wlan - so I'm not sure if eth was touched or not
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[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> And those polyfuses just did not want to come off easily
[10:23] <eix> 'morning
[10:23] <DarkTherapy> ShiftPlusOne: yeah I left mine their in case I needed them
[10:23] <DarkTherapy> there*
[10:23] <eix> how do you upgrade firmware from a 256M to a 512M version?
[10:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I left them until they were removed from the official version, since I assumed there there is a valid reason for them to be there.
[10:24] <jtmitch> hmm... lsusb shows webcam on newer pi, but still no /dev/video -
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> eix, just update like you would update your OS.
[10:24] <jtmitch> but debian image does show /dev/video0
[10:24] <eix> ShiftPlusOne: I did. I also added gpu_mem in config.txt but somehow I don't see the expected memory
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[10:25] <lunra> Aw sweet. Got LXC running on the Pi. Just had to remove /dev/ptmx from my rootfs. And earlier I had to patch the creation scripts for armel
[10:25] <eix> now I have used rpi-update
[10:25] <frikinz> jtmitch: you might see which driver is creating /dev/video in /sys/...god knows what../driver
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[10:25] <frikinz> jtmitch: under debian
[10:25] <eix> and seems showing the correct amount: 374+128
[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> eix, if that didn't work rpi-update is sure to.
[10:26] <eix> ShiftPlusOne: ok, thanks. so is rpi-update an official tool?
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[10:26] <jtmitch> frikinz: god knows what isn't in the wiki...
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[10:26] <ShiftPlusOne> eix, afaik it has the thumbs up from the foundation, but it's made by hexxeh.
[10:27] <eix> but what are those "fixup" files in /boot?
[10:27] <eix> I did not have them before running rpi-update
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[10:27] <ShiftPlusOne> don't know
[10:28] <jtmitch> USB video class driver 1.1.1?
[10:28] <jtmitch> does that make sense (just looking at dmesg output during boot up - since debian takes 2 days to boot up)
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[10:28] <Jck_true> Allright - Ordered a DHT11 temperature sensor, a Fire sensor (using an IR sensor), A Buzzer and a line hunting sensor (whatever that is)
[10:29] <eix> Jck_true: motion detection
[10:29] <Gr33n3gg> "fire sensor"
[10:29] <Jck_true> Oh? I thought it was like a proxemity sensor
[10:30] <Gr33n3gg> if the raspberry pi is on fire, is that not a good enough sensor?
[10:30] <eix> Jck_true: yes
[10:30] <Jck_true> Gr33n3gg: I'm not entirely sure why I bought that either... :D
[10:33] <jtmitch> Jck_true: cause it had the word "Fire" in it - which sounds awesome to me
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[10:35] <jtmitch> frikinz: for giggles I put my wifi dongle in debian pi that had working webcam and then debian couldn't use webcam either
[10:35] <jtmitch> so.. must be enough current draw for wifi dongle to prevent webcam
[10:36] <frikinz> could be yes. I guess you monitored dmesg
[10:36] <jtmitch> yep
[10:36] <frikinz> I'll have to order a wifi dongle too. makes me anxious
[10:36] <jtmitch> debian wouldn't even boot with both plugged in - well, I got impatient after a few minutes
[10:37] <frikinz> ok. cause my debian manual install boots in like 10s
[10:37] <jtmitch> yeah... whatever this guy did.. even when it boots up correctly, it's far over 10 seconds, closer to a minute doing keyboard something
[10:39] <jtmitch> frikinz: the AIR101 dongle I have works well
[10:39] <frikinz> ah the famous keyboard something :p
[10:39] <jtmitch> sorry - Airlink101
[10:39] <jtmitch> heh
[10:39] <frikinz> the wln722 works well. most of the time :/
[10:39] <frikinz> but well, I don't have a hub
[10:40] <jtmitch> I run the Airlink101 without a hub - apparently only a problem when you want another device on USB as well
[10:40] <jtmitch> though I run keyboards and wifi just fine
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[10:40] <jtmitch> even on the older polyfused model it works great
[10:40] <frikinz> and have the version with polyfuse... I saw the announcement about the foundation recommending the 8189CUS
[10:41] <frikinz> 8189CUS chip
[10:41] <jtmitch> Si
[10:41] <frikinz> mue bien
[10:41] <jtmitch> which I believe is the chip on the Airlink
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi peeps.
[10:42] <frikinz> hi!
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[10:43] <jtmitch> Anyone see any problem sharing a RTC on an I2C line with multiple Pi's and an Arduino?
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> lunra, do you know what value of capacitor I should use and what might be a good place to put it?
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[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> I suppose straight under the USB jack between ground and 5v might be a good place
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, in-theory I2C is multiple master capable...
[10:48] <Yotson> jtmitch: can a Rpi be a i2c slave? Best to stay clear of multimaster i2c imo.
[10:48] <Yotson> ah, too late... :)
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> well - there's a difference between theory and practice :)
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> personally I'd not even go there.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> One immediate issue is that the Pi pulls the I2C up to 3.3v - so you need to be doubly sure other deivces aren't going to pull it up to 5v...
[10:49] <Yotson> same here. I would go for 1 i2c master, rest slaves. :)
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> and the utterly trivial solution for multiple Pi's is to use NTP.
[10:50] <jtmitch> gordonDrogon: that part I'm on top of, I have level conversion between arduino and pi(s)
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> so use Ethernet to connect them rather than I2C. One Pi has the RTC, the others use NTP to that Pi.
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> Assuming you don't have Internet connectivity at all, that is. IF you do, then NTP FTW.
[10:51] <jtmitch> gordonDrogon: this is on a robot that is matching data from an IMU on the PI with odometry on the arduino - so I'm hoping to time sync as perfectly (and cheaply) as possible
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, NTP. If you can run an I2C wire, you can run Ethernet.
[10:52] <jtmitch> gordonDrogon: and the arduino?
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, how many Pi's is ittalking to?
[10:53] <jtmitch> Hopefully just one of them
[10:53] <jtmitch> still working out some design concepts
[10:53] <jtmitch> and a lidar
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> in that case, the arduino does not need time of day - as the Pi can timestamp all it's messages...
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> at least on the surface - I don't really know what you're doing under the bonnet...
[10:54] <jtmitch> matching up gyroscopic data with accelerometry data with liDAR data for SLAM... if you must know
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> sounds exciting.
[10:54] <lunra> ShiftPlusOne: I'm trying to remember now if it was really a capacitor you needed or just a 1-ohm resistor after Dark linked his mod. Sorry.
[10:55] <jtmitch> if it works - it will be exceptionally exciting
[10:55] <ShiftPlusOne> lunra, heh, ok.
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> so you're just treating the arduino as one "big sensor" thing - not sure why you need time on it as you know the time when you "read" the arduino sensor...
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[10:56] <jtmitch> gordonDrogon: that may end up being enough
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> keep it simple ...
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> trying to match up sensor values with potentially differing time sources can be tricky.
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> so one central clock makes life easy.
[10:57] <jtmitch> yes
[10:58] <jtmitch> hence my query on using one clock on all devices - I'll be collecting data at at least 30 Hz
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I'd also be tempted to offload as much to the atmega as possible too - ie. put the IMU on it as well as everything else.
[10:58] <jtmitch> unfortunately - I didn't research my IMU enough and it seems to only run on OS's - not microcontrollers
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> You can use SPI to communicate to the arduino - or serial.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> faster than I2C and less fiddly too.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> how is your IMU connected up to the Pi?
[11:00] <jtmitch> SPI is?
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> SPI - clocked serial.
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[11:00] <jtmitch> USB
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> ok
[11:00] <jtmitch> and requires external power to run
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of stuff just over a year ago with the ardu pilot mega platform...
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> came to the conclusion that a 16MHz ATmega is more than capable of running quite a complex IMU 9DOF sensor setup with processin to spare to actually make it fly.
[11:02] <jtmitch> yeah - I really wish I had it on the Arduino - a RTS would be much better suited for the IMU
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> which I already knew as the software is already out there - but my client wanted a system built from scratch.
[11:03] <jtmitch> do you recall the IMU you were using?
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> however I'll be deisgning my own robot platform soon too to connect to the Pi. Nothing too fancy, but enough for a floor crawler and/or and arm.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I can look it up. IT was a bit of a mash-up - 2 accelerometers, one 3d compass and was it 1 or 2 gyros...
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> plus barometer, range finder..
[11:04] <jtmitch> so you mashed together an IMU then?
[11:04] <jtmitch> neat-o
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> well I didn't - the ardu pilot project did.
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> looks like they have new hardware now too.
[11:05] <OutOfLine> due
[11:05] <OutOfLine> looks very interesting :)
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> looks like they're abandoned the old hardware too.
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> let me look at the code I wrote!
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[11:07] <OutOfLine> gordonDrogon: you talk about arduino or about ardu pilot?
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> I2C: honeywell HMC5883L digital compass, Analog: 2D XY-Gyro (IDG500), 1D Z-Gyro (ISZ500) and 3D accellerometer (ADXL330)
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> that's the base hardware on the ArduPilot I was usin.
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> OutOfLine, arduino/ardu pilor - everything's sort of 'arduino' compatible but the ardu pilot mega project was a complete atmega based system - sort of compatible with aruino in that you could use the arduino IDE to program it (although I didn't)
[11:10] <jtmitch> ah cool
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[11:12] <OutOfLine> thought you'd talk about arduino due. looks like an interesting new model to connect to the pi
[11:13] <jtmitch> I'm going to wish I had gotten an IMU that was arduino compatible
[11:14] <OutOfLine> whats IMU?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_measurement_unit
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone want a steam key for Saints Row the third by any chance?
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> essesntially a set of sensors to let you know which you up you are, which way you are facing and how fast you are going.
[11:16] <OutOfLine> thanks, just found that ;)
[11:16] <neilr> I think, if I was the wrong way up, I'd rather not know how fast I was going
[11:17] * lunra wonders what he will would use a Cortex-Mx board for. He just ordered a Teensy 3.0 anyway >_>
[11:17] <lunra> I guess it would mean I could retire my arduino mega to a 5v IO drone for my RPi
[11:17] <jtmitch> gordonDrogon: any tips on getting position data from IMU? I'd assume you filtered the input somehow
[11:18] <OutOfLine> my son plans to build a quadrocopter, so i might get in touch with IMUs and such....
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[11:20] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, I was looking at quarternions. horrible math that I'm not that hot on.
[11:20] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: The speed? Dont' you just mean acceleration?
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> and then my client pulled out, so was left with no funding, so had to move onto something else before I even got it off the ground.
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[11:21] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, one mans vector is another mans something else...
[11:21] <egrouse> ShiftPlusOne: ill have it if you dont want it??? thats the only game from the bundle i dont have
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> the ultimate plan was to use the ardu pilot platform as a proof of concept then design out own.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> I had it feeding into a program on my desktop that mimced the attitude of the unit - so it would move a box on hte screen as I moved my unit. that was quite fun.
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> my aim was to completely elimnate "stick twiddling".
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> much to the utter horror of my local Rc plan/copter friends...
[11:23] <frikinz> yeah quaternion are a bit painful (describes unambigiously a rotation). with a nice library, that's ok
[11:23] <Jck_true> I'll laugh the day your automated drone crashes into another heli in air...
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[11:25] <neilr> gordonDrogon: I'd like to think there's an applicatio for something that stops me^H^Hthe pilot from doing something daft, rather than completely replaces them
[11:26] <neilr> (maybe sends a shock through the sticks when they pull up while inverted with the fin 50cm from the ground for example)
[11:27] <jtmitch> wonder if phidgets would allow me to return their IMU... hmm... very convinced that this should be on the arduino not the pi
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> neilr, shocking :)
[11:32] <jtmitch> gordonDrogon: did you not get so far as kalman filters?
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, started looking at that. thought quarternions were more exciting.
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, the trouble was that the project was on flakry funding grounds from day one - so I personally invested about 500 in hardware, then decided to call it a day.
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> so I've not looked at any of it for well over a year now. Actually started to canibalise some of it for other things now.
[11:35] <jtmitch> gordonDrogon: wouldn't you still need to filter quarternion data?
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, to be honest I don't know - I was getting complete attitude and acelleration data right out of what I had. I knew which way up it was and what speed (acelleration) it had.
[11:36] <jtmitch> hmm...
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a maths head at all. A lot of what I had was cribbed from what I read in books & online.
[11:38] <jtmitch> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11055?
[11:38] <jtmitch> this looks like it would do the job nicely
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> the calculations gave me a nice vector - also one I could calculate a 1000 times a second easilly, so I was happy.
[11:38] <jtmitch> oh wow
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> jtmitch, affordable too.
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[11:43] <Hoerie> <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone want a steam key for Saints Row the third by any chance? <-- bought the THQ Humble Bundle?
[11:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Hoerie, yep
[11:45] <jtmitch> yes - solid $50 cheaper than the unit I have
[11:45] <Hoerie> I'd be interested in the Saints Row code I guess
[11:45] <jtmitch> Hoerie: sure
[11:45] <jtmitch> oh
[11:46] <jtmitch> lol
[11:46] <jtmitch> ShiftPlusOne: me firts?
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, nuh egrouse already got it, heh.
[11:46] <Hoerie> lol, ok
[11:46] <jtmitch> boo
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> =(
[11:46] <jtmitch> I'm not at all okay with that
[11:46] <jtmitch> take it back
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[11:46] <jtmitch> oh wait
[11:46] <jtmitch> give to me too and may the first person to redeem win
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> he... already did.
[11:46] * jtmitch loading up steam
[11:46] <jtmitch> do it
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[11:46] <jtmitch> :)
[11:47] <egrouse> haha
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Hehe... check out page 20 of Dec's MagPi :)
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> http://issuu.com/themagpi/docs/issue8draft?mode=window&pageNumber=1
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[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Nice... but why is it page 8?
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I suspect an edit goof :)
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> it's only a draft version..
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[11:49] <ShiftPlusOne> lots of good content though
[11:50] <ShiftPlusOne> mostly for beginners, but I suppose that's the point.
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[11:51] <Hoerie> I should really get off my bum and start using my 2nd pi for tinkering
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[11:57] <pecorade> Hi.
[11:57] <lunra> hello :)
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[12:05] <Elspuddy> morning
[12:05] * OutOfLine [humming] you say hi[gh], i say low, you ask why? i say: i don't know... you say goodbye and i say hello ... :)
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> so lets all program in CESIL :)
[12:08] <OutOfLine> my favorite is FORTH :)
[12:08] <neilr> Get a Fignition :)
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> yea, they're pretty neat little boards.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> I saw them a while back.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I'm not a fan of forth despite spending some time (months) writing Forth programs onceuponatime.
[12:13] <neilr> FORTH is a pain in the neck. I built a Fignition for fun, but it's really just sat on my desk since then.
[12:14] <OutOfLine> i like it very much
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I met the chap behind it. genious or nutter, you decide ;-)
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> although there's a bit of that in all of us, I reckon!
[12:14] <OutOfLine> juck moore?
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> no - the chap behind the fignition.
[12:14] <OutOfLine> he is extreem
[12:14] <OutOfLine> ah
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[12:16] <artag> I wrote a forth interpreter because it seemed so neat. I love the workings, but don't actually like writing in it (despite having a preference for RPN calculators)
[12:16] <OutOfLine> everybody starts forth by writing it's own
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a BASIC interpreter because it seemed to neat. ... ;-)
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> and actually, like programming in basic anyway.
[12:16] <OutOfLine> i mostly use gforth now
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> right. some local stuff to do no. back inna bit.
[12:18] <OutOfLine> have done crazy things with it like brew.robertepprecht.ch
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[12:25] <Lexip> try { DoSomething(); } catch { // Pokemon, we need a sane state. *code* }
[12:25] <Lexip> Whops :D
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[12:29] <lunra> Was FORTH designed to be difficult similar to brainf---, or was it really for conventional programs?
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> it was designed to be efficient and easy to extend.
[12:32] <OutOfLine> it was first written for radio astronomy
[12:33] <OutOfLine> but not at all restricted to that
[12:34] <OutOfLine> there are bare metal minimal forth systems, but also modern systems running on top of an OS, like gforth
[12:34] <artag> actually, for radio telescope control I think. rather than signal processing.
[12:35] <OutOfLine> yes
[12:35] <lunra> FORTH would be a horrible choice for signal processing :O
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[12:37] <OutOfLine> with a modern forth running on an os it's very well possible to write something like 'conventional programs'
[12:38] <lunra> But would someone really want to? Is FORTH something your mind gets used to, like most programming languages?
[12:38] <OutOfLine> lunra: maybe, but probably depends on hardware, forth system and first of all on the brain writing the code ;)
[12:38] <OutOfLine> sure
[12:38] <artag> definitely, RPN is very pleasant once it's familiar
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[12:39] <artag> the only thing I really couldn't get on with was the block i/o, and I suspect that's gone in a modern forth
[12:39] <OutOfLine> i consider forth to be one of the smartest ways to program
[12:39] <OutOfLine> block i/o is very rarely used
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[12:40] <artag> it has the ability to generate intelligent data structures, variable types, self-describing types, all sorts of modern stuff
[12:40] <OutOfLine> you have the normal file access
[12:40] <lunra> FORTH would make a lot of sense on a processor like a 6502/6510, with only one gen purpose accumulator
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> it's definately a mind-set.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> lunra, I've used 2 different forth systems on 6502 processors
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> the last one I used was Sparc based - all Suns open boot proms were written in forth. I was part of a project to bring up a new Sparc board (not for Sun), and some peripherals, so had to port their Forth to the new board and write the low-level drivers in Forth for it.
[12:42] <artag> read up on the hp48 language. it's not really forth, but it's related
[12:42] <OutOfLine> for me it was easy to learn, but didn't work with it for some time
[12:42] <OutOfLine> not really, well it has a stack ;)
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> but oddly enough I've no desire to go back to forth, other than as a passing interest. Almost there been. that done. Tee shirt got.
[12:43] <artag> more to the point, it has arbitrary stack-based objects
[12:43] <OutOfLine> i can understand that
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> my BASIC uses an internal RPN evaluation stack though.
[12:43] <lunra> gordonDrogon: You're awesome.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> more because it's relatively efficient and easy to implment.
[12:43] <lunra> I'm not sure where you get the concentration to be able to do what you do :P
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> and no-one to my knowledge put forth on a transputer - a processor with an internal 3-deep stack for registers....
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> lunra, neither does my wife...
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> hm. coffee time!
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[12:45] * lunra hopes gordonDrogon IS allocating time to his family!
[12:45] <OutOfLine> there are things you can do with forth that would be *very* difficult to write in most other languages
[12:46] <lunra> Self-modifying code would be one of those things, right?
[12:46] <OutOfLine> if you want that
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> self compiling code. ah, coffee...
[12:47] <OutOfLine> i have used the fact that every forth system is able to compile code at run time
[12:48] <OutOfLine> i used that for experiments with evolutionary code generation
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[12:49] <OutOfLine> modifying code in place is not very often a good idea, me thinks
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[12:51] <OutOfLine> 'compiler' and 'interpreter' function very different from any other language i know and are very fast
[12:54] <lunra> I admire the first assembler/compiler/interpreter writers.
[12:54] <rymate1234> they started everything off
[12:54] <OutOfLine> so i could have my prog generate forth source code snippets, test them against any rating function, let the better ones survive, mutate them etc.
[12:55] <lunra> That's very cool!
[12:55] <rymate1234> oh shit
[12:55] <rymate1234> OutOfLine, don't make a sentient AI with that
[12:55] <rymate1234> XD
[12:55] <lunra> DO!
[12:55] <OutOfLine> it was just an experiment
[12:55] <rymate1234> (at least make sure it doesn't turn evil)
[12:56] <lunra> good, evil, who cares, it's alive!
[12:56] <OutOfLine> it gets still used to do benchmarking with anton ertls benchmark suite
[12:57] <rymate1234> Here's what I think any AI will do
[12:57] <rymate1234> >wake up
[12:57] <rymate1234> >realise its trapped in a computer
[12:57] <OutOfLine> i developed it on my own computer, so i *did* take care about security
[12:57] <rymate1234> >sudo rm -rf /
[12:58] <egrouse> lol
[12:58] <lunra> Here's what i think my AI will do. Exit on signal 11.
[12:58] <rymate1234> lmao
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> syntax error. stopped at 20.
[12:59] <OutOfLine> syntax horror
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:00] <neilr> Just get it to divide by zero. That always works in films when the computer starts to think for itself. Normally it explodes, rather than a "division by zero at nnnn error" message.
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> Pi Model A in production now.
[13:01] <lunra> I wish I didn't abandon large projects so quickly. I wish I could concentrate! I want to try code evolution :\.
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> lunra, set yourself goals and targets. it's the only way I achieve things.
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2615
[13:02] * neilr thinks: goals, targe... ooohh, is it midday? Time to put the kettle on.
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> 256MB RAM. Interesting.
[13:02] <Yotson> neilr: scary part starts when a computer can keep me from pulling it's power plug. lol
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[13:03] <OutOfLine> lunra: you might try some demos from brew.robertepprecht.ch
[13:03] <neilr> Won't be long before we power them organically anway. I mean, as a mammal, I waste a lot of heat. That could be captured to power a small computer.
[13:03] <OutOfLine> should work on the pi
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[13:04] <lunra> cool!
[13:04] <OutOfLine> don't expect it to brew up something useful, but basically it works
[13:05] <lunra> "
[13:05] <lunra> Do not run brew as root."
[13:05] <lunra> I am SO running brew as root.
[13:05] <OutOfLine> if you switch on logging your harddisk will explode
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[13:05] <SpeedEvil> neilr: see Carnot efficiency
[13:06] <lunra> and yea, I'm not expecting anything much at all, but the fact it modifies itself is cool.
[13:06] <lunra> I'm certainly not expecting it to write itself its own AI
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> neilr: if you place a human in an insulated box, and run an ideal heat engine from them to an0c heatsink, you get ten watts
[13:06] <CelticTurnip> w00t gforth is in the OpenBSD ports tree... downloads brew
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> neilr: and that's a theroeticxal max
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[13:07] <OutOfLine> unlike most other evolutionary programming brew does mody not only variables but also the code
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[13:07] <OutOfLine> s/only/only mutate/
[13:08] <neilr> 10 watts? That's enough for five Pis. Or so.
[13:08] <neilr> Mind you, I generate a lot less than that until I've had my first few cups of tea
[13:09] <lunra> If only we had that level of efficiency.
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[13:09] <lunra> The human would be getting pretty damn cold if you sapped his heat to power your rpi though.
[13:09] <OutOfLine> CelticTurnip: if you test brew, let me know if it runs on that port
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[13:10] <CelticTurnip> downloading right now :)
[13:10] <damo22> hi, i would like to see the source of the kernel that came with my element14 SD card, where can i find it
[13:10] <OutOfLine> you could run one of the benchmarks, which take loooong on the pi (forgot the numbers)
[13:10] <OutOfLine> brb
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[13:12] <CelticTurnip> works perfectly fine (OpenBSD 5.2-stable i386 / gforth-0.6.2p3)
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[13:13] * CelticTurnip probably should highlight that since OutOfLine maybe afk
[13:13] <lunra> Is there any way to prevent the GPU from using the l2 cache?
[13:13] <CelticTurnip> OutOfLine: works perfectly fine (OpenBSD 5.2-stable i386 / gforth-0.6.2p3)
[13:14] * CelticTurnip leaves it running forever
[13:15] <damo22> anyone know if the RaspberryPi Development Virtual Machine 0.8 (9/3/12) can compile a whole kernel for rpi debian6?
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, but you don't need it.
[13:15] <ShiftPlusOne> To compile a kernel all you need is a crosscompiler which will be available in your distro's repos anyway.
[13:16] <damo22> i am running an ubuntu system 12.04 so i guess i can set up a cross compiler here
[13:16] <ShiftPlusOne> easily
[13:16] <damo22> do i need to compile gcc?
[13:16] <damo22> as a cross compiler
[13:16] <ShiftPlusOne> not at all, search synaptic (or whatever you use) for arm gcc
[13:16] <damo22> etc
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> apt-cache search arm gcc should return a bunch of cross compilers
[13:17] <frikinz> Is there some procedure available to use scratchbox?
[13:17] <frikinz> or maybe scratchbox is directly usable actually
[13:17] <damo22> what is scratchbox
[13:17] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz scratchbox or scratchbox2?
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[13:18] <frikinz> No idea, I'd say 2? :) I've used scratchbox1 5 years ago do build a lot of things for nokia n800
[13:18] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb (not a script, just instructions which may be a bit dated now, but still perfectly usable)
[13:18] <frikinz> damo22: transparent cross compilation
[13:18] * damo22 drools
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> I used this when cross compiling a kernel for the Pi: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[13:19] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: thanks, ctrl-D
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> I think it's still a viable way to do it..
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> I've not built a kernel for the Pi for a while though. Can't be bothered right now, although it irritates me that I have to load ipv6 as a module )-:
[13:20] <ShiftPlusOne> crosstool-ng seems like a bit of a waste of time since you can easily get very good prebuilt compilers
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> I've really no idea - I just followed that and it worked.
[13:21] <damo22> but let us suppose i want to use the existing debian install on my sd card, i just want to modify a module on the kernel, how should i do this?
[13:21] <ShiftPlusOne> damo22, what do you mean by modify a module exactly?
[13:22] <damo22> ShiftPlusOne: i want to modify the ethernet driver to drive my own link light and 100 light
[13:22] <damo22> as if they were leds
[13:22] <damo22> but i need access to the kernel to do this
[13:23] <damo22> since the kernel has the ethernet stuff built in
[13:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I think there are less time consuming ways, but I would exctract the config from the kernel you intend to base yours on and go from there
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> the ethernet driver isn't a module in the stock kernel (or doesn't appear to be in mine), but that's not a real issue, as changing it is the same - get the sources, create an environment you can compile it, change the code, compile, install..
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[13:24] <frikinz> From what I remember there is a help tool: module-assistant.
[13:24] <damo22> no the ethernet doesnt list in lsmod
[13:25] <damo22> i believe it is hardcoded into the kernel source
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[13:25] <frikinz> if not handled directly in the chip, it would be in the PHY part of the ethernet driver
[13:25] <frikinz> sounds complex
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[13:26] <damo22> but it should be simple, since there must be a function call to turn on and off the led
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[13:26] <lunra> Not if it's part of the PHY
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> if you're talking about the leds on the board, I don't think you can do anything with the network ones, they're controlled by the network chip.
[13:26] <damo22> oh dang
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[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> disclaimer: afaik
[13:27] <damo22> sounds like you might have a valid point though
[13:27] <damo22> pardon me what is FDX led?
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I think if you check the schematic, those are connected straight to the network chip rather than the soc.
[13:28] <damo22> i only need one led and i can get away with a number usb pad as input
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[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I know the OK light is easy to drive in bare-metal, but I don't know how that would work with other code which may want to use it.
[13:28] <damo22> basically as a status light for recording audio
[13:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd use gpio, really.
[13:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Throw your own led on there
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[13:29] <damo22> :) tempted now
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> damo22, fdx - full duplex.
[13:30] <damo22> gordonDrogon: thanks for that
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> if you want to play with the 'ok' LED, then: wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/okLed ; chmod +x okLed ; sudo ./okLed
[13:30] <damo22> mine doesnt have an ok led .... where is it?
[13:30] <damo22> lol
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah it does
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> it's the green one that's almost always off.
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[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> it's the top one
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> closest to the audio jack
[13:31] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: ah very good, I was looking for that
[13:31] <ShiftPlusOne> unless they removed it?
[13:31] <damo22> :( i have 5 leds none say ok
[13:32] <ShiftPlusOne> What does the one closest to the audio jack say?
[13:32] <lunra> http://dx.com/p/30cm-breadboard-wires-for-electronic-diy-40-cable-pack-80207 these are great for using gpios
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> source is http://unicorn.drogon.net/okLed.c
[13:32] <damo22> ACT
[13:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess they just changed the silkscreen
[13:32] <ShiftPlusOne> same thing
[13:32] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: thanks! was about to scan your webserver ;) j/k
[13:32] <ShiftPlusOne> since an ok light is a bit ambiguous.
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, it's in the next release of wiringPi as an example. I've just not had time to push it up yet.
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, you can't scan unicorn driectly, but https://git.drogon.net/ is open...
[13:34] <frikinz> Good. Now I'd like to have the SD write make it blink
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[13:35] <damo22> mine blinks when cpu does something i think
[13:35] <frikinz> I remember reading someone doing this already. Now at least I have one brick to do it
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, you need to un-associate that LED with the SD card friver - chech the okLed.c source to see how, then it's just another LED...
[13:35] <frikinz> didn't even know there was a led driver
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, it's just another GPIO pin.
[13:35] <damo22> ohhh wow
[13:36] <damo22> so they gave me a free wired up gpio -> led
[13:36] <damo22> :D
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> damo22, yup!
[13:36] <damo22> yayy no soldering required
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> one thing to remember- it's wired to the 3.3v supply, so write a zero to turn it on, one to turn it off.
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[13:37] <damo22> gordonDrogon: you are a wealth of knowledge
[13:37] <damo22> thanks
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[13:38] <damo22> i am going to have so much fun writing my recording interface.. to work with the usb sound card i reverse engineered
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> to use it, you first need to do this: sudo sh -c 'echo none > /sys/class/leds/led0/trigger'
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> then it's avalable for use - so if you have wiringPi installed: gpio -g mode 16 out ; gpio -g write 16 0
[13:38] <frikinz> is the channel logged by a bot?
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[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> friggle, yes
[13:39] <frikinz> arg topic
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[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> check the topic
[13:39] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah =)
[13:39] <OutOfLine> CelticTurnip: glad to hear. try demo nomadic-bursts (or similar) looks nice, forgot what is happening under the hoods ;)
[13:40] <OutOfLine> CelticTurnip: did you discover the user interface? move cursor wherever you want and press return...
[13:41] <damo22> i have a usb sound card that draws power from the usb port to drive 48V phantom power and power the preamps, i dont want to damage my pi how should i hook it up
[13:41] <OutOfLine> and never ever load gene primitives someone sends you without understanding what they do...
[13:42] <OutOfLine> they will call rm -rf and rate on free disk space ;)
[13:42] * lunra is still waiting to gforth to build
[13:42] <CelticTurnip> will do, and yes :)
[13:42] <lunra> oh there we go
[13:43] <lunra> speak of the devil, eh? :)
[13:44] <OutOfLine> the supplied primitives have been tested for many months without problems
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> damo22, you probably need a powered hub for that - even without the polyfuses in a rev 1.1/2 board providing phantom power is going to be quite a suck on it...
[13:45] <damo22> gordonDrogon: its quite an efficient little device and weighs like a brick, i might be able to get the power specs on it
[13:46] <damo22> what would be the recommended mA to draw from usb
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> well.... max is supposed to be 500mA with proper negotiation - Iv'e yet to find a USB socket that does negotiation of any kind...
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> the Pi will be limited to about 140mA on a rev 1 with polyfuses and a total current of npt much more than 700mA on a rev 2, but about 500 of those mA will be powering the Pi itself...
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> er, 400.
[13:48] <damo22> if i provide a psu that can handle more power through the usb power small socket of the pi, will pi try to draw it from there up to 700mA total?
[13:49] <damo22> 700mA total for the usb?
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> the Pi has a 700mA polyfuse in the 5v input.
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> (it might be 1.1a on the rev 2's I'm not sure though)
[13:49] <damo22> ah
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> so pi + peripherals is limited to 700ma total.
[13:50] <damo22> pretty sure my device uses close to 500
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> so use an external powered hub for it.
[13:50] <damo22> yep
[13:50] <CelticTurnip> cheers OutOfLine, I'll do some reading and keep checking it out... definitely cool! anyway I'm off to bed, have fun all
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> spot of lunch time I think.
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[13:51] <damo22> thanks again
[13:51] <OutOfLine> CelticTurnip: sleep well
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[13:52] <damo22> oh yeah i need hub anyway for external drive!
[13:52] <damo22> silly me
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[13:53] <damo22> good to know 700 is the limit though
[13:55] <StMichel> gordonDrogon: regarding the negotiation, I remember having read that recent Apple computers can provide 1 A current over USB to iPads, but only 500mA to other devices.
[13:55] <StMichel> Bumped into that when trying to find out if I could power the Pi from USB socket.
[13:55] <damo22> yes they do this with 2 resistors across the data lines and power
[13:56] <damo22> depending on the value of the resistor it changes how much current the device tries to pull from the charger
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[13:56] <damo22> which is why a normal usb charger cant charge an iphone because its missing 2 resistors
[13:57] <Lartza> Can RPi take in 2.0A?
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[13:58] <StMichel> It will not take in more than it consumes at the time.
[13:58] <damo22> Lartza: no, 0.7A apparently
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[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Lartza, not without a mod. Even then, I don't know if the circuitry can deal with it.
[13:58] <Lartza> Okay
[13:58] <Lartza> damo22, Wasn't 0.7A the minimum and 1.0A the best?
[13:58] <damo22> i trust gordonDr_gon
[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne> Lartza, nope.
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> check the schematic and look at the input polyfuse
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> or just look at your pi
[13:59] <Lartza> Oh then I think it was that it can run with a usb hub (500mA) but 0.7A was ideal
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[13:59] <Lartza> ShiftPlusOne, Yes?
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[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yes what? =S
[14:00] <damo22> if it has a fuse rated at 0.7A then it will blow if you try to draw too much from the usb port
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> no, it's not a fuse that blows
[14:00] <Lartza> ShiftPlusOne, I don't know why I should look at the schematics, probably can't make much of them ;)
[14:00] <damo22> my bad
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> it's a polyfuse which increases in resistance until it's effectivly an open circuit. Then it resets after a while.
[14:01] <damo22> oh thats cool
[14:01] <Lartza> Hmm
[14:01] <Hodapp> http://mosh.mit.edu/
[14:01] <Hodapp> oh how I've wanted this forever
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> You'd think so, but they cause problems.
[14:01] <Lartza> I wonder if my mobile phone would charge faster with a 2.0A supply...
[14:01] <Lartza> :D
[14:01] <damo22> Lartza: it wont, unless the device knows how to draw 2A
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[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, charging circuitry doesn't just try to draw in as much as the power supply allows
[14:02] <Lartza> damo22, Probably yeah, some phones can draw little more than the supplied charged though
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> and if it did, that's a good way to blow up a battery
[14:02] <lunra> Hodapp: awesome link!
[14:02] <Lartza> But 0.7 > 2.0 ;)
[14:02] <damo22> false
[14:02] <Lartza> damo22, I meant
[14:03] <Lartza> 0.7 --> 2.0
[14:03] <damo22> :P
[14:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Lartza, someone gave this example earlier. If your table supports 250kg, and you sit on your table, do you weigh 250kg?
[14:03] <Lartza> Is not a little more
[14:03] <ShiftPlusOne> The power supply can supply 2amps.... doesn't mean that it has to. That depends on what it's plugged into.
[14:03] <damo22> ShiftPlusOne: good analogy
[14:03] <Lartza> Yeah
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> damo22, I think that's SpeedEvi(l)'s one. Edited the name not to highlight and annoy him for no reason.
[14:04] <Hodapp> lunra: I'm using it now, but I guess I have to wait for someone to start pegging the network connection before I'll be able to tell if it's working or not
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> But yeah, I liked it enough to use it =)
[14:05] <frikinz> Time for me to learn jquery and all that stuff to do something less hacky for my web app. I'm bad at this high level things :)
[14:05] <Hodapp> he's a robot, he doesn't get annoyed
[14:06] <damo22> maybe hes an android with feelings
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[14:13] <damo22> $ lsusb -v -d 0dba:3000 2>&1 | grep MaxPower
[14:13] <damo22> MaxPower 500mA
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[14:13] <lunra> Not sure I like the idea of my shell being broadcast over udp, but i'm using mosh right now and it's nice.
[14:15] <Hodapp> lunra: well, it's still encrypted.
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[14:19] <damo22> nice, i have control of my ok led from the shell
[14:19] <damo22> thanks to gordon
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[14:20] <lunra> Hodapp: oops, didn't see your message. I know it's encrypted, but being UDP it's way easier for someone to hijack my connection and write garbage data, IIRC
[14:22] <Hodapp> lunra: Seems unlikely this would ever correspond with an actual compromise of the connection
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[14:22] <frikinz> yes as there is no sequence number
[14:23] <frikinz> also spoofing is trivial
[14:23] <Hodapp> Spoofing what?
[14:23] <frikinz> IP adress
[14:23] <damo22> pretending to be you in an irc channel?
[14:24] <lunra> "Roaming with SSP becomes easy: the client sends datagrams to the server with increasing sequence numbers, including a heartbeat at least once every three seconds." nevermind
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[15:09] <damo22> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux is there a set of packaged kernel headers to go with this?
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[15:18] <nNa> Hello! I have an issue with my Raspberry Pi and the latest Raspbian. I somehow can't get eth0 to acquire an IP address using DHCP.
[15:18] <nNa> It's a fresh install and it worked correctly about a month ago.
[15:18] <nNa> (Both were fresh installs)
[15:18] <neilr> Has your DHCP server run out of leases?
[15:19] <damo22> are you sure it doesnt have an ip? or are you relying on ssh to check login :P
[15:19] <frikinz> nNa: did you eventually use it on another pi (ie other mac adress) ?
[15:19] <frikinz> I mean the same install
[15:19] <nNa> It should work correctly. I can't affect the DHCP pool, since it automatically acquires an IP from the ISP.
[15:19] <neilr> Your Pi connects directly to the ISP via ethernet?
[15:20] <nNa> Yes.
[15:20] <Habbie> is anything else connected to the ISP?
[15:20] <nNa> I could connect it to the router, but it's a few rooms away.
[15:20] <damo22> wouldnt it be safer to test it with a dhcp server you have control of
[15:20] <frikinz> One image once started cannot be used on multiple pi
[15:21] <neilr> What does ifconfig show?
[15:21] <nNa> OK, I'll connect it to the router directly. Is it possible to renew/release the IP address?
[15:21] <neilr> "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[15:21] <nNa> I already tried that.
[15:21] <neilr> As long as the interface is marked as auto
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[15:21] <nNa> Maybe the ISP has some issues.
[15:22] <Habbie> or maybe the ISP only tolerates one device on your line
[15:22] <Dagger2> `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0`
[15:22] <josteink> frikinz: not exactly true
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[15:22] <neilr> What does your /etc/network/interfaces show? If eth0 is not marked as auto you'll need to manually ifdown and ifup
[15:22] <Dagger2> I believe `/etc/init.d/networking restart` is not expected to work properly on modern Debian
[15:22] <josteink> frikinz: I moved my image from one pi to another. only thing I had to change was the /etc/networks mappings from eth0 to the "new" eth1
[15:22] <frikinz> josteink: unless you remove the udev rule, eth0 will be jeopardized by it?
[15:23] <neilr> It's OK if the interface is marked as auto
[15:23] <frikinz> josteink: so, yes, you had to change something
[15:23] <josteink> yes
[15:23] <neilr> I know it's deprecated
[15:23] <josteink> but you can move the image
[15:23] <josteink> its not like it gets "bound" to a pi and cannot be reused
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[15:23] <frikinz> josteink: not without manual intervention..
[15:23] <nNa> with ifup eth0, DHCPDISCOVER is polling
[15:23] <frikinz> josteink: but we agree :)
[15:23] <josteink> mm
[15:24] <nNa> i'll set the ip address to the one that the laptop gets
[15:24] <nNa> and see if this works
[15:24] <josteink> frikinz: speaking of udev stuff. I just remapped my networking to be centered around eth1
[15:25] <neilr> But your ISP is using DHCP, right?
[15:25] <josteink> frikinz: how would I go about "cleaning" up udev rules?
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[15:25] <nNa> neilr: Yes, it is.
[15:25] <frikinz> josteink: rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[15:26] <neilr> So setting a static IP address might bodge the thing into working, but you then won't be able to use the laptop
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[15:26] <josteink> frikinz: thanks :)
[15:26] * josteink looks into it
[15:26] <frikinz> josteink: the problem shouldn't happen if udev had an enumeration and then assignemnt.
[15:26] <frikinz> josteink: udev is a bit broken
[15:26] <damo22> i believe ethernet is not part of udev because it is not a module?
[15:26] <josteink> frikinz: looks simple enough though. didnt know about that until now :)
[15:27] <nNa> neilr: The laptop uses WiFi anyways, I just connected it with a Cat5, to test the cable and it successfully leased an IP.
[15:27] <frikinz> josteink: didn't believe either I had to do it. I'm ok that eth0 is reserved if this mac is present. BUT if the mac is not present, then it shouldn't jeopardized the eth0 name. but then also if you plug a dongle, things get tricky, rename, etc..
[15:28] * neilr is confused. You have the laptop talking wifi to an access point that is connected to a router to the ISP?
[15:28] <josteink> frikinz: mmmhm
[15:28] <josteink> totally agreed
[15:28] <josteink> there are no simple, universal rule which covers all use-cases in a sane manner IMO
[15:28] <josteink> otherwise Im pretty sure things would get fixed ;)
[15:29] <nNa> neilr: I have a router, connected to the ISP on the first port (static IP), and the laptop is connected to the router. My RPi is connected to ISP directly on the second port, which has a dynamic IP, that changes once a week.
[15:30] <damo22> cant you write your own udev rules that override if you know that you are using a particular dongle etc
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[15:30] <frikinz> josteink: well, a little cleaner way would be: enumerated ALL devices, see that the mac is not there and then allow using eth0 name. but now its in one pass: enumerate: gets first mac. its not the one in the udev rule, don't take eth0 name as we might enumerate later the mac assigned to eth0.
[15:31] <nNa> OK, it works with static IP. I guess the ISP has some issues.
[15:31] <neilr> nNa: Ah! Right. That's the bit I was missing, thanks. Sounds in that case then like your ISPs DHCP server is not answering your DHCP requests. I'd give it an hour and try again.
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[15:32] <nNa> I had some issues with the ISP today, I called them and I had to wait some time for the lease to expire.
[15:32] <nNa> But somehow, now it leased the IP on my laptop and I can't request another IP on my RPi.
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[15:33] <Macer> hello. has anybody here set up an ir module on the pi gpio using double ended female jumper wires?
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[15:34] <neilr> nNa: right - does your ISP allow one person to lease more than one IP address? I know for example that my ISP allocates me one static IP address, and if I want more, I need to pay.
[15:34] <ile> Hello. Can someone help me with installing PHP
[15:35] <nNa> I have another quick problem. When setting the locale to en_US.UTF-8, raspi-config starts giving some warnings that the locale can't be set.
[15:35] <damo22> sudo apt-get install php-cli will give you a command line version of php
[15:35] <nid0> ile: sudo apt-get insall php5
[15:35] <nid0> install*
[15:35] <nNa> neilr: It allows me one static IP, but on the second port, I get a dynamic one.
[15:35] <nNa> Until today, I could connect any computer on that port and never had any issues.
[15:36] <neilr> nNa: OK - sounds very much like there's a provlem with their DHCP server then, rather than anything at your end
[15:36] <neilr> problem
[15:36] <neilr> Sorry can't help with UTF-8. I'm an IP engineer :)
[15:37] <nNa> Maybe the warning was only during the configuration
[15:37] <frikinz> dpkg-reconfigure locales maybe
[15:37] <nNa> OK, I restarted and the locale command correctly shows the locale.
[15:38] <nNa> Thanks for the help.
[15:40] <ile> yup already done. I'm trying to set Raspcontrol (http://raspcontrol.com/getting-started-guide/)but when I'm trying to run sudo ./start.sh it says "Unable to find php"
[15:40] <Eliatrope> why don't subtitles appear in omxplayer?
[15:40] <Eliatrope> it says: state on, index 1
[15:40] <josteink> nNa: I just set it to eng-gb.utf8. skrev US english :P
[15:40] <josteink> screw
[15:41] <josteink> I had no problems doing that
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[15:43] <Eliatrope> and in the log file it says:
[15:43] <Eliatrope> 00:00:00 T:0 WARNING: Subtitle rendering thread has stopped, discarding packet
[15:43] <Eliatrope> 00:00:00 T:0 WARNING: Previous line repeats 14 times.
[15:43] <damo22> hang on, can i power the rpi from the same usb hub as the one feeding power to the rpi's usb i/o?
[15:44] <Habbie> damo22, i believe so!
[15:45] <damo22> well that would save me a lot of trouble because then i would only need one psu
[15:45] <damo22> :)
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[15:48] <damo22> does anyone know of usb hub that comes with 4-8 usb ports and can handle 3x500mA ports?
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[15:49] <damo22> iirc they used to make one with 7 ports and 2x high powered ones
[15:49] <josteink> damo22: you can
[15:49] <josteink> I had some .... belkin thingie. 1->4 powered usb hub
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[15:49] <josteink> I used it to power the pi. worked fine.
[15:49] <josteink> did result in quite a few cables though ;)
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[15:50] <josteink> in the end, I bought some 3rd party iPad charger to power the pi, because that was the most powerful usb PSU I could find, and I was fed up having cables all over :)
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[15:51] <damo22> well i need to power the pi, and run 2x high powered usb devices
[15:51] <damo22> an external hdd and a half decent sound card
[15:52] <damo22> but i dont want lots of dangly bits if i can help it
[15:53] <BurtyB> I got an 11 port hub that came with a 3A psu - think they did a 7 port too (think it was from farnell)
[15:53] <damo22> so i was thinking if i could get a super dooper usb hub with 3x 500mA ports..
[15:53] <damo22> BurtyB: nice one
[15:55] <FBeans> gordonDrogon:
[15:55] <FBeans> Im on the way to your part of the country soon
[15:56] <FBeans> Im going to exeter to watch the wurzles
[15:56] <FBeans> and then dartmoor in the morning to kayak (maybe exmoor)
[15:56] <FBeans> just fyi
[15:57] <nNa> neilr: I contacted my ISP and they said that I run out of available IP addresses, since I can only use 3 different MAC addresses in 24 hours... But somehow, for the past 2 years, I always used the same port on 5 different computers with different MAC addresses and they always got the same IP address and it worked without any issues. :(
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[15:58] <Habbie> usually these limits are slightly higher than the support desk is allowed to say
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[15:58] <Habbie> also, the leases for those 5 may have been established when the limit was higher
[15:58] <nNa> Somehow I never had any issues with this in the past.
[15:58] <nNa> It worked until today.
[15:58] <nNa> Dang. :(
[15:59] <nNa> So, how can I change my MAC address? :P
[16:00] <damo22> you mean clone the address to one of the old ones?
[16:00] <Habbie> sometimes resetting the modem they provided helps
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[16:00] <nNa> Oh, I forgot to try that. I'll be right back.
[16:00] <BurtyB> damo22, ifconfig <device> hw ether <mac>
[16:00] <neilr> nNa: "ifconfig eth0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx" will do it temporarily
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[16:00] <neilr> The physical MAC address is burned into the hardware though
[16:01] <frikinz> you can probably set it in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:01] <damo22> BurtyB: thats pretty naughty
[16:01] <frikinz> so that it is kept on reboot.
[16:01] <neilr> Also need to "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" after changing it
[16:01] <Macer> can someone direct me to female to female pin wires?
[16:01] <Macer> maybe on mouser.. i don't know what else to call them
[16:01] <neilr> Yes, you can add it into /etc/network/interfaces too
[16:01] <Macer> can't seem to find what i'm looking for
[16:01] <neilr> "hwaddress ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx"
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[16:02] <damo22> lezzo wires?
[16:02] <Macer> damo22: is that what theyre called?
[16:02] <Macer> just something to run to an ir module without soldering
[16:02] <neilr> It is now
[16:02] <damo22> female to female...
[16:02] <nNa> OK, I'm back. I hope this will work. Otherwise, I'll have to wait 23 hours.
[16:02] <Macer> damo22: yes
[16:02] <Macer> oh.... got the joke just now :-P
[16:02] * BurtyB has an OUI so I like using my own MAC :)
[16:02] <Habbie> BurtyB, showoff :)
[16:03] <Habbie> BurtyB, was it worth it? ;)
[16:03] <Macer> i need something that can just connect 2 pins
[16:03] <Macer> a wire
[16:03] <Macer> so i can mount an ir module in my pi
[16:03] <BurtyB> Habbie, no - project didn't happen in the end :/
[16:03] <Habbie> BurtyB, ah
[16:03] <frikinz> OUI are limited in time right, you have to pay a yearly fee..
[16:03] <frikinz> which is quite normal
[16:04] <Yotson> Macer: Grab nearby junk-pc, open case, cut out wires + connectors you need. ;)
[16:04] <Macer> Yotson: lol
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[16:05] <Habbie> frikinz, i doubt that but nothing would surprise me
[16:05] <BurtyB> frikinz, one off fee unless you want privacy
[16:06] <neilr> Macer: www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-female-female-p-199.html
[16:06] <Yotson> Macer: i'm semi-serious though. Loads of cool stuff around to scavenge. Often not perfect but you can't beat free and fast. lol
[16:06] <Macer> Yotson: i was just hoping mouser had something already made ;)
[16:07] <Macer> or maybe an ir module with the wires already attached would be awesome too
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[16:07] <nNa> Stupid ISP -.-
[16:07] <nNa> I'll use a WiFi adapter for the time being.
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[16:08] <K4k> Hi, since grub is not used on the Rpi, what is the recommended way to make changes to the kernel boot parameter?
[16:12] <frikinz> Habbie: I discovered it as we had registered MAC in OUI database and after some time there are not there anymore
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[16:12] <Habbie> frikinz, interesting
[16:12] <Habbie> frikinz, that sounds.. off
[16:12] <Habbie> it's not like devices go away
[16:13] <nNa> Quick question: do I need a cross or a straight cable to connect my laptop to the RPi, for bridging a connection?
[16:13] <Habbie> cross is best
[16:13] <nNa> straight-through*
[16:13] <Habbie> straight often works too
[16:14] <nNa> Okay, I'll try that first. I don't want to get messy, since I don't have a cross-over cable.
[16:14] <Habbie> :)
[16:14] <Habbie> or a spare switch or an adapter?
[16:14] <frikinz> DTE to DTE should be cross but both work I think as there might be an inverted somewhere
[16:14] <nNa> Don't have a switch too.
[16:14] <Habbie> frikinz, gigabit spec mandates cross detection; many 100mbit devices do it too
[16:15] <frikinz> ok, didn't know it was in the spec. interesting
[16:15] <Habbie> my HP switch with 24x100 + 2xgbit said 'HP auto-MDIX' on the 24 ports and 'IEEE auto-MDIX' on the gbit ports
[16:15] <frikinz> we learn thing everyday on this chan! :)
[16:15] <Habbie> :)
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[16:21] <cdan> good afternoon
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[16:31] <OutOfLine> lunra: did gforth build?
[16:31] <ojii> what are those cables called that you connect to the GPIOs (and where can you usually buy those)?
[16:34] <damo22> when i have a config.gz file from a running kernel and i unzip it... how do i tell make to
[16:34] <damo22> use it in the kernel sources
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[16:35] <damo22> im pretty sure i have the same version of sources that match my running kernel and now i have the config file
[16:36] <neilr> ojii: Jumper wires ?
[16:37] <damo22> i basically want to generate a set of headers for my running kernel, hang on i shouldnt need to compile anything just throw in a few symlinks right?
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[16:37] <frikinz> damo22: zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config maybe
[16:37] <Habbie> config really shouldn't matter for headers
[16:37] <Habbie> right?
[16:38] <ojii> neilr, that sounds about right
[16:38] <damo22> i made a symlink from /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) to my source tree
[16:38] <neilr> I get mine from www.coolcomponents.co.uk - but you can get them all over the place really.
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[16:40] <damo22> i need another symlink from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build to the source tree?
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[16:41] <Macer> neilr: yes
[16:42] <Macer> i am trying to find wires with plastic pin terminals on both ends
[16:42] <frikinz> did you unpack your kernel source in /usr/src ? Might be that some tools will search there if some links are not present
[16:42] <Macer> short wires
[16:42] <Macer> something similar to LED wires you find in computer cases
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[16:43] <Macer> but shorter with female pin terminals on each end
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[16:47] <damo22> how do i make oldconfig to use the new config.gz
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[16:48] <damo22> if i do zcat /proc/config.gz > srctree/.config it gets clobbered
[16:48] <frikinz> yeah I remember having this. this used to work with older kernels.
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[16:50] <damo22> basically i have written a custom kernel module and i need to compile it for my running rpi kernel
[16:50] <damo22> so i possibly need Modules.symvers so i might need to compile the whole kernel.... :(
[16:51] <frikinz> is the raspbian kernel a debian package and does it also have the same -header package? I don't have my pi next to me
[16:51] <frikinz> module-assistant is normally the way to do it
[16:52] <frikinz> generally its called "out of tree module building"
[16:52] <damo22> im running the farnells SD card it came with debian6 3.2.27+ and i cant seem to find the headers package in the repo, is there a special repo i can add?
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[16:53] <damo22> maybe its worth downgrading my kernel because there is a headers package for 3.2.0-x
[16:54] <Disconnect> damo22: I had the same problem. still haven't resolved it :/ the repo has a different module_layout struct from the distributed binary.
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[16:54] <frikinz> https://www.grendelman.net/wp/compiling-kernel-modules-for-raspbian-raspberry-pi/
[16:54] <Disconnect> (technically not a gpl issue since the revision history is there. but it is a royal pita)
[16:54] <frikinz> that's bad
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[16:54] <frikinz> there must be a technical reason
[16:55] * Disconnect doesn't know why the released binaries aren't tagged in github, which would solve this issue
[16:55] <Inspiral> hey guys, ive got an lcd screen to would like to try to get working with the pi, unfortunately the flat flex cable attached to the lcd is too small to fit onto the dsi, any suggestions on how i could identify the cable and get an adapter for it ?
[16:58] <damo22> wow i really hit the nail on the head with my analysis of the problem
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[17:00] <Macer> http://www.mouser.com/Search/m_ProductDetail.aspx?mikroElektronika/MIKROE-511/&qs=/ha2pyFaduiZroYiT5BLEhgkpKgHX7DQmu8taYWrQFitWzrUu0JpvA==
[17:00] <Macer> found them :)
[17:00] <Macer> kind of long but still.. that's what i need
[17:00] <elyob> Been trying to setup a pi over and over again. I know some SD cards are good and some bad. However, I had one working just fine and within a day or two I get "Kernel Panic - not sync - VFS - Unable to mount root fs ??? '
[17:01] <elyob> Is this also a dodgy SD trait?
[17:01] <Disconnect> elyob: have you checked your power? and no overclock/etc
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[17:01] <Disconnect> everything really does start with power. then there are a bunch of other bugs ;) but that is the most common
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[17:01] <damo22> no one happens to have Module.symvers from 3.2.27+ ? lol
[17:02] <elyob> No overclock .. power is fine supplied by RS components brick I bought at same time.
[17:02] <elyob> (I presume, it's fine .. I guess)
[17:02] <damo22> i would donate $5 to your paypal account for that file
[17:02] <frikinz> $10
[17:02] <frikinz> :p
[17:02] <Habbie> 1 BTC ;)
[17:03] <frikinz> I haven't followed every line but why not rebuilding _a_ kernel from the github repo?
[17:03] <damo22> BTC = ?
[17:03] <egrouse> bitcoin
[17:03] <egrouse> aka The Future???
[17:03] <egrouse> wtf $12.60 per BTC?
[17:03] <egrouse> thts gone up
[17:04] <Inspiral> it can only go higher
[17:04] <Habbie> it can certainly go lower
[17:04] <Inspiral> not likely tho
[17:04] <Habbie> it has been both lower and higher
[17:04] <Inspiral> overall as a trend it should go high
[17:04] <Habbie> true, cost of mining has just increased a lot
[17:05] <damo22> is there any disadvantage using 3.1.9 to 3.2.27 using the model B with 512Mb ram?
[17:05] <Habbie> if i sell now i will almost break even ;)
[17:05] <Inspiral> i can see sysadmins sneakily installing btc mining programs on every corporate machine they administer
[17:05] <damo22> sorry wrong question
[17:06] <Habbie> Inspiral, some do, and they're criminals
[17:06] <Inspiral> isnt money in itself a crime /
[17:06] <Inspiral> ?
[17:06] <Inspiral> morally at least
[17:07] <PhotoJim> Only if you love bartering, I suppose.
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[17:07] <damo22> can i install linux-image-3.2.0-3-rpi and linux-headers-3.2.0-3-rpi from the deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi repo safely?
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[17:08] <damo22> will it prepare my card for booting?
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[17:08] <Disconnect> back btw
[17:09] <Disconnect> elyob: just cuz they supplied it doesn't mean its ok. need to test. (the mcm 'recommended' psu gives me 4.7v or less, but one of the listed-working hubs never goes below 4.85)
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[17:10] <Disconnect> you really need to test the voltages. most electronics-parts stores (or home improvement places) will have a cheap multimeter for $20USD or less. (Here I'd suggest radio shack, home depot or lowes)
[17:11] <damo22> hmm easiest way, dd my whole sd card to my pc, install the new kernel package and then try it, if it doesnt work, roll back the whole card
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[17:13] <Disconnect> btw if anyone is trying to use directvnc i'm about to compile a patched/working version. hopefully.
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[17:28] <damo22> not bad, 14.4MB/s average transfer for 4G SD card
[17:28] <damo22> (to pc)
[17:28] <nid0> thats about right
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[17:32] <booyaa> Disconnect: directvnc fb vnc client?
[17:32] <damo22> hmmm firmware-linux-free it wants to download... is this new firmware for the rpi?
[17:33] <pksato> damo22: no.
[17:33] <pksato> firmware for some proprietary hardware
[17:34] <damo22> i dont mind that, just dont want to damage my working pi with some strange firmware
[17:35] <pksato> not is possible to damage RPi via software. except overclock, or via bare metal programing.
[17:36] <Disconnect> booyaa: yah. directvnc doesn't work by default (upstream bug) so i added the patch. and i'm building a new pianobar too
[17:36] <damo22> pksato: well it is possible to stuff up my booting card by installing the wrong kernel
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[17:37] <pksato> in case, just dump .img again.
[17:37] <damo22> pksato: just did that
[17:38] <Disconnect> neat the new pianobar works :) pandora on my pi while i hack on my cloud desktop setup
[17:38] <Disconnect> damo22: since the boot is vfat you can just rename the old kernel and rename it back if it fails
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[17:38] <damo22> Disconnect: good to know
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[17:43] <damo22> so i installed the kernel and it put some new files in /boot such as the vmlinuz-3.x, so how does it know to use it
[17:43] <damo22> does it always use kernel.img as the file?
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[18:00] <damo22> woot im doing an out of tree module compile
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[18:01] <damo22> but this old kernel cant see the other half of my ram :(
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[18:10] <damo22> well i am using my usb external sound card with my pi
[18:10] <Opinie> why?
[18:11] <damo22> because it has 2 mic pres
[18:11] <Opinie> ah
[18:11] <damo22> and a mixer built in
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[18:12] <damo22> but playback is crackly, i think its the usb irq stuff
[18:13] <Opinie> :(
[18:13] <damo22> my friend is also trying to use a usb sound device and has crackly problems
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[18:13] <damo22> maybe i need a newer kernel
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[18:14] <damo22> and use HZ=1000
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[18:16] <Opinie> yeah
[18:16] <damo22> im getting 100 interrupts per second in itop
[18:17] <damo22> apparently usb needs 1024
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[18:19] <damo22> the timer isnt high resolution enough for usb
[18:19] <damo22> :S
[18:20] <damo22> or just isnt being serviced often enough
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[18:21] <elyob> Is there a way to clone my setup once I have finished creating my perfect setup?
[18:21] <damo22> elyob: dd your sd card like i did to your pc
[18:22] <elyob> damo22: cool. like a reverse of that command?
[18:22] <Opinie> yeah
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[18:23] <damo22> elyob: yeah so you dump the sd card byte for byte to a file on your pc then you can always restore it back to the card again later
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[18:26] <Opinie> is anyone else running servers using lighttpd?
[18:27] <nid0> constantly, or "has used it"?
[18:27] <elyob> Just swap the if and of?
[18:27] <elyob> (Well, create a new of?)
[18:27] <elyob> I keep getting corrupted SD .. so need to buy new reliable ones. Just takes hours to setup again ???
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[18:27] <Opinie> has used it
[18:27] <nid0> <
[18:27] <axion> no, nginx, which i highly recommend over lighty. i have heard of people here that do though
[18:28] <Opinie> oh right
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[18:28] <Opinie> never mind
[18:28] <Opinie> nid0: did you pi ever almost grind to a halt because of the servers you were running?
[18:29] <egrouse> yay nginx
[18:29] <nid0> no, the pi will run any of nginx, lighttpd, or apache fine
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[18:29] <nid0> its dynamic workloads (php/mysql) that itll begin to struggle with
[18:29] <HashNuke> Has anyone here installed omxplayer on Archlinux?
[18:29] <Opinie> hmm, mine does
[18:30] <nid0> what're you trying to serve?
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[18:30] <axion> HashNuke: sure
[18:30] <Opinie> a local wordpress and wikimedia servers
[18:30] <damo22> dang im playing an audio file through my usb device and getting 15 interrupts per sec on the timer
[18:30] <Opinie> *-a
[18:30] <nid0> have you optimised your wordpress install properly?
[18:30] <damo22> crackly like shite
[18:31] <Opinie> probably not
[18:31] <Opinie> didn't know there was any optimizing to be done
[18:31] <HashNuke> axion: I'm trying to install from AUR. I cloned the tarball from https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/omxplayer-git/, extracted it. And ran "makepkg -As" but the build faile.
[18:31] <HashNuke> *failed.
[18:32] <HashNuke> axion: Am I doing anything wrong?
[18:32] <nid0> Opinie: well, its php/mysql thatll be bogging down your pi, not lightthpd really, first up you'll want to install w3 total cache/wp supercache to wordpress and configure that, itll vastly reduce dynamic workload needed, and also a PHP opcode cache, apc is my personal preference but theres like 5 to choose from
[18:32] <axion> HashNuke: I saw your trouble in the other channel...i'll help you here
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[18:32] <HashNuke> axion: Thanks :) I came along here, because I thought this was specific to RPi.
[18:32] <axion> HashNuke: first...type this...gimme a min...
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[18:33] <Opinie> nid0: err.. so what, do I just install a package called apc?
[18:34] <axion> HashNuke: wget https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pa/packer/PKGBUILD
[18:34] <nid0> Opinie: pecl install apc
[18:34] <Opinie> I seriously don't understand what that means
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[18:35] <nid0> you'll then want to modify php.ini to set apc's directives to cache by default and set a memory limt of at least 30-40MB or so
[18:35] <Opinie> aha
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[18:36] <Opinie> right, well I'll look into this
[18:36] <Opinie> do you mind if I ask you a few more questions, if I get stuck?
[18:36] <nid0> ofc not
[18:36] <Opinie> thanks
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[18:37] <HashNuke> axion: done. I completed installing packer
[18:37] <ojii> I'm trying to set the ulimit for max numbers of open files for nginx on my raspi. so in /etc/security/limits.conf I set "www-data soft nofile 4096" and "www-data hard nofile 8192" at the end of the file, but when I log into the www-data user, ulimit -n still shows 1024, what am I doing wrong?
[18:38] <axion> ok packer works just like pacman for the AUR. now you can type "packer -S omxplayer-git"
[18:38] <axion> HashNuke: ^
[18:38] <HashNuke> axion: Thank! That's awesome
[18:39] <HashNuke> axion: Do I need to be root for this?
[18:39] <axion> no...do not be root ever for this
[18:39] <HashNuke> ok
[18:39] <axion> packer will do it for you with sudo
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[18:39] <HashNuke> ah
[18:40] <axion> and it is bad to build aur packages as root anyway....not that installing is any better. just dont go installing stuff blindly. they are User packages anyway
[18:40] <HashNuke> Also is there anyway to increase the font size in ArchLinux? The shell's default font size is too small on my 22inch screen.
[18:41] <axion> font size in what exactly?
[18:41] <damo22> CONFIG_HZ=100 is the latest in 3.2.27+
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[18:41] <HashNuke> axion: The terminal as soon as raspberry pi boots up.
[18:41] <axion> HashNuke: yes do this:
[18:41] <damo22> i am going to compile a new kernel with HZ=1000
[18:42] <damo22> keeping all other options identical
[18:43] <axion> HashNuke: packer -S terminus-font
[18:43] <axion> HashNuke: btw packer can replace pacman...it uses pacman when it needs to automatically
[18:44] <axion> so you dont need to use "pacman" directly
[18:44] <axion> anyway, after that you have to edit a file
[18:44] <HashNuke> axion: That's awesome! :)
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[18:44] <axion> yeah i actually helped bruenig, the creator write it :)
[18:44] <axion> of packer
[18:44] <HashNuke> axion: Nice work :)
[18:46] <HashNuke> axion: terminus-font installed
[18:47] <axion> HashNuke: ok now edit this file: /etc/vconsole.conf ...if it doesn't exist, create it and put these 2 lines:
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[18:48] <axion> FONT=ter-112n
[18:48] <axion> FONT_MAP=8859-1_to_uni
[18:48] <axion> oops no
[18:48] <axion> FONT=ter-128n
[18:49] <HashNuke> done
[18:49] <axion> now reboot and see if it needs to be bigger/smaller
[18:51] <axion> you could use setfont, but i want to be sure its getting set at early boot
[18:51] <HashNuke> axion: It's geting set. I see bigger font.
[18:52] <HashNuke> I could do with a small size. But this is fine.
[18:52] <HashNuke> I can select fonts with xfontsel right?
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[18:52] <HashNuke> axion: this is awesome
[18:52] <axion> that is only for X
[18:52] <HashNuke> oh
[18:52] <axion> try this
[18:53] <axion> setfont ter-112n
[18:54] <HashNuke> axion: Ya I saw the small font and reverted back :)
[18:54] <axion> and 132n is the largest. "n" is narrow i believe...there are other styles and sizes listed in: /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts/
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[18:55] <HashNuke> sweet!
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[18:59] <HashNuke> axion: Thanks for the help. I'll pass this on to others too.
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[19:00] <axion> no prob. have fun with Arch :)
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[19:02] <axion> and remember. the wiki is even more amazing. one of the best resources for configuring an os online
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[19:09] <HashNuke> axion: The omxplayer build failed.
[19:09] <axion> why?
[19:10] <axion> look at the first error in the build
[19:10] <HashNuke> axion: OMX_CONFIG_BRCAUDIO???something not found
[19:11] <HashNuke> axion: I'm going to rebuild it via ssh so that I can get the full trace to copy share.
[19:12] <axion> ok
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[19:21] <HashNuke> axion: https://gist.github.com/4177537
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[19:30] <Disconnect> well that was fun.
[19:31] <Disconnect> i have a "fixed" directvnc bin. as in, it doesn't get wildly confused about binary math and actually loads with the default keymap.
[19:31] <damo22> err i cant seem to select HZ at all in the kernel
[19:31] <Disconnect> however, it is much less useful than the one that doesn't load since it clears the screen and causes immediate sd card corruption.
[19:31] <damo22> does it not have a timer
[19:32] <Disconnect> damo22: the default kernel has NO_HZ=y HZ=100 so its there somewhere.
[19:32] <damo22> i got rid of NO_HZ=y
[19:32] <damo22> but it doesnt open up HZ
[19:33] <damo22> there must be a reason
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[19:35] <axion> HashNuke: site maintenance
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[19:40] <Disconnect> anyone know a decent vnc client that doesn't require X? I'm gonna try the old fbvnc (worked ok way back in the day) but I was hoping for something better. like directvnc, only with working stuff and without the sd corruption stuff..
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[19:43] <Cheery> hey
[19:43] <Cheery> anyone tried OpenWFC on raspi?
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[19:48] <Disconnect> is there any sort of dsp/audio mixer (bass/treble/etc) on the pi?
[19:49] * Disconnect is guessing no, for obvious reasons, but..
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[19:50] <Cheery> anyone knows whether there's any openwf examples anywhere?
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[20:01] <Disconnect> thats annoying. xtightvncviewer -fullscreen doesn't grab the keyboard. all my output went to the terminal i started it from :/
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[20:07] <BCMM> am I right in saying that the default clock speed was increased semi-recently?
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[20:09] <Disconnect> BCMM: IIRC the default was always 700 but you can enable options to go as high as 1ghz (800-900 is more stable) without voiding the warranty semi-recently
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[20:10] <Disconnect> basically just update raspi-config and pick from the overclock list. (its a selection that should/might be stable but won't void warranty) and never enable .. force_turbo? whatever it is that sets it to max during boot instead of after the cpufreq driver loads
[20:10] <BCMM> Disconnect: so raspi-config won't set anything that will kill the SoC or require a heatsink?
[20:10] <Disconnect> pretty much. but make sure there's nothing related in the config.txt, since it doesn't check
[20:11] <Disconnect> it almost certainly won't be stable through the whole range, but i've had good luck with the lower ones
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[20:11] <BCMM> Disconnect: thanks. is there any good reason, apart from power consumption, to not run the maximum safe clock speed?
[20:12] <Disconnect> BCMM: even power consumption isn't a big deal since it is scaled by cpufreq. it only ramps up when it needs to.
[20:12] <nid0> the crucial bit is *safe* clock speed
[20:12] <nid0> in which case no theres not really any good reason not to
[20:12] <Disconnect> if you plan to use the same pi for 5+ years you prolly don't want to do it ;) and setting it too high can cause issues (memory corruption/crashes, sd corruption, etc)
[20:13] <BCMM> Disconnect: i've got a 256MB model. I hope to be able to afford a shiny new one withing 5 years
[20:13] <Disconnect> yah 'safe' is important. looking at the config now it shows standard (700), 800, 900, 950, 1Ghz.
[20:13] <damo22> my pi does reboot loops
[20:13] <Disconnect> heh
[20:13] <damo22> could be the polyfuse is overheated?
[20:13] <Grievre> how can overclocking void the warranty
[20:13] <Grievre> >:/
[20:13] <nid0> overclocking doesnty
[20:13] <Disconnect> during boot it stays at 700 until the kernel gets going. and if you get it jacked too high you can always hold down shift during boot to disable the OC (it checks partway through boot)
[20:13] <nid0> overvolting can
[20:14] <BCMM> so the boot config can set boot-time clock speed, or userspace can ramp it up when the freq driver loads?
[20:14] <Disconnect> nid0++ .. but they go hand in hand. (the supported configs do overvolt also)
[20:14] <Disconnect> BCMM: force_turbo (iirc) forces it during boot. otherwise it boots at 700 and the various OC options just give the kernel choices
[20:14] <Disconnect> and no matter what it ramps down at a temp setting (85C iirc)
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[20:15] <Grievre> lol turbo
[20:15] <Disconnect> then again, i've got it set to 900 and its still at 700 with pianobar (pandora) running, a fullscreen vnc, xchat, a few terminals, etc..
[20:15] <BCMM> Disconnect: ah so regular overclock is set in boot config too? in the event of issues i just need to edit the file in /boot on another computer?
[20:15] <Grievre> remember when computers had turbo buttons?
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[20:15] <Disconnect> BCMM: yah. if you haven't messed with it before then just use raspbi-config to pick an OC level.
[20:16] <damo22> 33->66Mhz
[20:16] <BCMM> Disconnect: thanks!
[20:16] <Disconnect> iirc the docs/announcement suggested starting high and working down. i'd go the other way, and make sure the sd is backed up first
[20:16] <pksato> Grievre: 4.7MHz to 8MHz. :)
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[20:17] * Disconnect has to dig out his old compaq ipaq to see what fb library he used to set up a tiny multiboot picker in the initrd. so i can use the same one on the pi to make a time/temp/caller-id/etc display for the wife
[20:17] <Disconnect> the good news is, as of a year or two ago it still booted. :)
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[20:18] <BCMM> did somebody say that rpi-config's settings can't void warrenties?
[20:18] <nid0> yes
[20:18] <Disconnect> BCMM: I did. but that assumes you haven't put anything else in config.txt, since it doesn't check..
[20:18] <nid0> using turbo mode is within warranty
[20:18] <BCMM> Disconnect: thx
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[20:19] <BCMM> it warns me about sd card corruption - theymean reversible fs corruption right?
[20:19] * Disconnect isn't official but i read the announcement and the followup questions
[20:19] <Disconnect> worst case is reformat, but yah it doesn't damage the hardware. or at least, it shouldn't..
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[20:20] <Disconnect> sweet the ouya dev consoles are shipping before the end of the year. hopefully that means my console will be on time too :)
[20:20] <BCMM> i'll go to #raspbian if this is considered OT, but what's the best way to install xbmc on the standard image? ideally i'd like to use the package manager for clean uninstall and whatnot
[20:20] * nid0 wishes he had one on the way
[20:21] <Disconnect> prolly just apt-get install xbmc. but raspmc is a better answer :)
[20:21] <Disconnect> it doesn't do non-xbmc stuff very well (he hacked up some weird crap that screws up startup scripts for standard packages)
[20:21] <BCMM> ah, see i want a general-purpose machine
[20:22] <BCMM> i know enough debian to make xbmc autoload if i want to
[20:22] <Disconnect> yah then thats pretty much your best bet.
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[20:22] * Disconnect has 1 for gp stuff, 1 for xbmc and (when mcm replaces the dead one) 1 for messing around
[20:22] <BCMM> Disconnect: xbmc-bin is missing in default repos
[20:23] <Disconnect> eventually i want to get a decent vnc/ltsp solution working so i can build my 6+ monitor mission control setup with them.
[20:23] <nid0> theres quite a lot of optimisation work gone into raspbmc/openelec etc though, so dont expect just installing xbmc on raspbian to work as well
[20:23] <Disconnect> yah
[20:23] <BCMM> xbmc is present but that's a metapackage for an arch-independat data and arm binary package
[20:23] <Disconnect> (one pi per monitor, pointed to a cloud host with a unified desktop)
[20:25] <BCMM> lxde actually feels REALLYfast on a 1GHz arm
[20:30] <Disconnect> put the cpufreq monitor in the panel and see if its really running 1ghz most of the time (its probably not)
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[20:31] <Loggiew> I went to dd a new image to the SD card and instead of taking a few minutes as before, it takes 20 seconds to write 22 gig and then the changes never seem to stick. Any thoughts? Is it just a messed up SD card? Im confused. I had to dd if=/dev/zero to wipe the image and now it still just wont write an new images
[20:31] <Loggiew> even the original image I used
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[20:32] <Loggiew> 22 gig = 2 gig
[20:33] <pksato> Loggiew: dev are correct? if use a non exist dev, file is created.
[20:34] <Loggiew> right, checked dmesg
[20:35] <Loggiew> and fdisk wont seem to change partition data. No matter what it always asks me to automount the partitions when i plug in, even if Ive deleted them
[20:35] <Loggiew> and all data appears there, until I did a dd if=/dev/zero
[20:35] <BCMM> Disconnect: do you happen to know raspbiand RAM split? this will be *mostly* an xbmc machine
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[20:36] <Disconnect> raspbian does it configured through config.txt
[20:36] <pksato> ah... in some cases, automount can can disrupt raw write/access.
[20:36] <Disconnect> iirc the default is 32M or so but for media you want 50/50
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[20:36] <BCMM> thanks
[20:36] <Loggiew> ok, but now that I've dd'ed zero it doesn't automount anymore, shouldn't be disrupting unless something glitched in between
[20:36] <Loggiew> maybe a reboot is in order
[20:37] <Loggiew> *sigh*
[20:37] <Loggiew> i hate to have to reboot my linux box for no dumb reason
[20:37] <pksato> dont not it.
[20:37] <Disconnect> Loggiew: hdparm -z /dev/foo to force a reread
[20:37] <Loggiew> hm?
[20:37] <Disconnect> otherwise its cached
[20:38] <Loggiew> Disconnect: sweet thanks, giving it a try. Thats probably what I was looking for.
[20:38] <Disconnect> doesn't always work (kernel can decide to just say no) but when it does thats what it is fixing..
[20:38] <pksato> Loggiew: usb card reader? just replug.
[20:38] * Disconnect needs more pi's
[20:39] <Loggiew> its a laptop with built in
[20:39] <Disconnect> and a reasonable plural for "pi" that isn't the possessive and doesn't sound like piss. :)
[20:39] <Loggiew> :D
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[20:40] <Loggiew> hdparm: inappropriate ioctl for device *rolling my eyes*
[20:40] <Dagger2> Disconnect: nice to know I'm not the only one bothered by that
[20:40] <Loggiew> oh wait helps if i plug it back in lol
[20:41] <Disconnect> wonder why nobody has done a custom-pi kickstarter yet. (eg more ram, or faster-but-same-gen cpu, etc)
[20:41] <Disconnect> lol
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[20:41] <Dagger2> I'd use RPis, which is slightly better
[20:41] <Loggiew> i want to work on that disconnect, Im looking into reworking the circuit board
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[20:41] <Disconnect> Dagger2: "pi-ez" rolls off the tongue in real life, but pis is bad and Pis is more bad and PIs is wrong (and bad) and.. :/
[20:42] <Disconnect> RPis looks like a cisco acronym :)
[20:42] <Disconnect> "then the router went all arr-piz until I bee gee'd the pee and arp-ed the rom"
[20:43] <Disconnect> arr-pee-eye-zee i guess i meant but still :)
[20:43] <Dagger2> "RPs" would work fine in context
[20:44] <Disconnect> yah but when you talk about it, do you ever say "look at what my raspberry pi can do" or do you just say "check out my pi"..?
[20:44] <Disconnect> since pi(e) is the colloquial name, there needs to be a decent plural
[20:45] <Loggiew> pies
[20:45] <Disconnect> they should all immediately stop working on the supply chain and quality problems and get on this whole "plurality" mess. seriously. :)
[20:45] <Disconnect> "pies" doesn't work around the holidays. i've got 4 in my fridge, and its not due to polyfuse issues
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[20:46] <Loggiew> rebooting
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[20:47] <cdan> would it be possible to set the SCL pin to generate an interrupt on HI/LO transition and register an interrupt handler that would read the SCL line and print it?
[20:48] <cdan> correction: read the SDA line and print it
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[20:50] * Disconnect is surprised, pi makes a decent desktop. as long as you can export the heavy lifting (eg chrome/firefox) to a cloud host
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[20:54] <scummos^> well, there's also lighter browsers than firefox
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[20:56] <Disconnect> sure but it can't handle my level of browser procrastination (dozens of tabs, videos, etc)
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[20:58] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[20:58] <Disconnect> is there a place to suggest inclusions in the raspbian archives? pithos (and the newer/working pianobar) are both epic on pi, if you want pandora
[20:59] <Disconnect> oh. looks like pithos already exists
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[20:59] <Disconnect> wow. light-weight it ain't. 56M with dependencies. i may have to move my raspbian setup to a usb key soon.
[21:00] <Martin[2]> I used a 16GB card :O
[21:01] <Disconnect> me too but usb is reportedly tons faster than sd
[21:01] <damo22> i have issues i just compiled a full kernel with my mods
[21:01] <Disconnect> and i'm hitting spots where the cpu is fine (spends most of its time at 700mhz and half-idle or more) but io is insane
[21:01] <Martin[2]> I'll have to try this! otherwise I'll just stick the boot onto the SD card and keep the rest on USB :D could mabbe use one of those mini USB sticks?
[21:01] <Disconnect> damo22: there is help. attend a windows user group meeting. :)
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[21:02] <damo22> but i am too dumb to know how to grab all the modules and headers
[21:02] <Disconnect> Martin[2]: that is what you have to do, the pi won't boot usb
[21:02] <Disconnect> but root=/dev/sda1 works fine once the kernel is loaded
[21:02] <Martin[2]> Disconnect, I know :p I've been reading up 8)
[21:02] <Martin[2]> yaya makes sense
[21:03] <Disconnect> damo22: lemme google a sec, there are make targets that help with all that
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[21:04] <damo22> Disconnect: i believe there is INSTALL_MOD_PATH=.... make modules_install
[21:05] <Disconnect> i think you are correct
[21:05] * Disconnect hasn't done non-native kernels in about 10 years
[21:05] <Disconnect> back when embedded linux was hard :)
[21:05] <Martin[2]> Red hat
[21:06] <Disconnect> familiar. intimate. kiss. (ok they sound weird listed together.) qpe. gpe. qtopia.
[21:06] <damo22> how do i grab the headers i want to keep the headers on the pi so i can still do out of tree custom modules
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[21:06] <Disconnect> ..wow. in almost 15 years, it never occurred to me that the dists had a theme. (i named kiss for the acronym. seriously.) thats.. wow, thats just a thing. i don't know how i feel about it now :/
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[21:09] <b0ot> Does Wheezy come with gdLibrary
[21:09] <b0ot> or the GD/GD2 extension:
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[21:11] <damo22> Build perf-3.2.27++.tar.gz source tarball
[21:11] <damo22> what does that do
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[21:14] <damo22> yay INSTALL_HDR_PATH=... make headers_install
[21:15] <Disconnect> nice
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[21:15] <damo22> need firmware too
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[21:16] <Disconnect> someone should sell a nettop kit for the pi. monitor, battery, usb hub, kb. (convertable so you can plug the pi straight into "real" hardware or just use it as a laptop) pair it up with my lte hotspot and cloud desktop and bam.
[21:16] <Disconnect> maybe i'll see if the wif wants to finance another project :)
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[21:17] <Disconnect> pithos takes significantly more cpu than pianobar :(
[21:18] <Martin[2]> how does your pi's run? I find it a tad on the laggy side :/
[21:18] <Martin[2]> I'm using raspbian :O
[21:19] <petern_> well they're hardly speed demons
[21:19] <Disconnect> yah its not omg-fast but i've been using it as a desktop all day with no real issues.
[21:19] <Martin[2]> duh :p but I know it can go faster
[21:21] * Disconnect is gonna try moving raspbian to a usb key and ocing to the 1ghz-max and see how it does. it can't corrupt the sd if it can't write to it..
[21:21] <Disconnect> jesus christ. pandora just threw up gandam style. and i just threw up period.
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[21:33] <petern_> well, RISC OS is blazingly fast, but then it would be
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[21:33] <petern_> linux is kinda sluggish
[21:34] <Martin[2]> ahhh never thought about risc OS
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[21:53] <Disconnect> chrome destroyed my cloud host. maybe its time to upgrade it..
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[21:54] <Disconnect> it should probably have more ram than my pi :)
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[21:55] <Gr33n3gg> set up your pi as a thin client and set up a vnc/rdp server on your server and get it to startx on login
[21:55] <Disconnect> yah thats what i'm doing, kinda. but the host was just an irc proxy and general ssh server, with 512 ram.
[21:56] <Disconnect> (was because i just got chromium up on the pi so i can update the alllocation to at least a gig)
[21:56] <Gr33n3gg> ah
[21:57] <feeshon> Green light on activity light but don't get any video...Verified SD Card was on "known working lists" and see the correction patitioning after a DD but still no boot (at least for what I can see)
[21:57] <feeshon> Any Ideas?
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[21:57] <Disconnect> my goal is to set up my old 'mission control' setup with 3-5 monitors on a unified desktop. only this time using a pi for each monitor and a cloud host for the heavy lifting (gandi.net ftw)
[21:57] <Gr33n3gg> feeshon: no video on HDMI or RCA?
[21:57] <feeshon> hdmi
[21:57] <Gr33n3gg> do you get video on HDMI?
[21:57] <Gr33n3gg> er
[21:57] <Gr33n3gg> RCA
[21:57] <opieng> Ordered my Raspberry today!! Cant Wait!
[21:58] <Disconnect> feeshon: check the various hdmi settings, you can force it to use hdmi even if it doesn't detect a monitor or the monitor is "weird"
[21:58] <Gr33n3gg> I didn't get HDMI out until I set it to force HDMI output in /boot/config.txt
[21:58] <feeshon> So I tried it on an asus monitor and a samsung tv
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[21:58] <feeshon> aahhh
[21:58] <Disconnect> there is a section in the wiki about troubleshooting hdmi
[21:58] <opieng> Is a 4GB SD card sufficient to start with?
[21:58] * Disconnect got lucky - 2 monitors and the tv all detected normally
[21:58] <feeshon> It's under a known working cards
[21:58] <LarsH> opieng: It depends on what you plan to do with it
[21:58] <feeshon> kodak 4GB class 2
[21:59] <Gr33n3gg> class 2?
[21:59] <Disconnect> opieng: yah. i'm running it as a desktop right now and i have about 3G used on a 16G card
[21:59] <feeshon> I just got it and want to navigate around the OS
[21:59] <Gr33n3gg> opieng: it'll work, it'll just be slow
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[21:59] <opieng> I want to use it to run XBMC on my TV in the lounge - home entertainment system :)
[22:00] <b0ot> Has anyone ever enabled the GD2 extension for php in Wheezy?
[22:00] <Gr33n3gg> b0ot: yes
[22:00] <opieng> What would you recommend size wise?
[22:00] <Gr33n3gg> for?
[22:00] <Disconnect> opieng: check out raspbmc. your best bet is to get a usb key for the main OS and only use SD for boot. it can be small/slow, just for kernel
[22:01] <b0ot> Gr33n3gg, how did you get it to work... I did a sudo apt-get install php5-gd and then restarted apache but I'm getting this weird alert and its definietly not resizing my pictures: http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/11/33415464620-orig.png
[22:01] <opieng> ok thanks I will check it out
[22:01] <Disconnect> and fyi pi as xbmc works amazingly.
[22:01] <opieng> brilliant! Disconnect
[22:02] <Gr33n3gg> b0ot: does phpinfo(); say that GD is enabled?
[22:03] * Disconnect has 3 - 1 broken (eventually that'll be the "screwing around" pi) 1 raspbmc and 1 rasbian, which is what I'm on right now :)
[22:03] <b0ot> Gr33n3gg, yes: http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/1705022/42153
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[22:04] <b0ot> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/11/33416031627-orig.png (just picture this time)
[22:04] <Gr33n3gg> b0ot: http://minishowcase.net/ it says the last version is from oct 2009
[22:05] <b0ot> ahhh so you think it is using an older version of G2?
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[22:05] <b0ot> GD2
[22:05] <Gr33n3gg> b0ot: most likely
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[22:09] <opieng> raspbmc recommends 8GB min and class 10! Then again the price difference is not that much
[22:09] <b0ot> Gr33n3gg, hmm I'm not sure: the example gallery works fine: http://minishowcase.net/demo/
[22:09] <b0ot> the thumbnails are resized etc
[22:10] <Lartza> I need some alternative to a windows program "SPI FlashROM Programmer" for Raspbian?
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[22:11] <opieng> Disconnect, do you still recommend running it off a usb?
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[22:12] <fuzz1981> 10 more pis just showed up :D there were supposed to be 12 but newark missed 2
[22:12] <fuzz1981> they figured it out and are sending me 2 more when they get more
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[22:14] <fuzz1981> different from my last batch are magnetics, usb connector and says made in china
[22:14] <hnsr> hm, neat, Staples in the netherlands/belgium is going to buy 3d printers so they can print out stuff for customers - maybe I should start working on my own rpi case design :D
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> from paper
[22:19] <opieng> hnsr, why wait, loads of companies will do that for you right now and ship it to you
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> lern to wood.
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[22:21] <Opinie> nid0: are you around?
[22:21] <nid0> yep
[22:21] <opieng> I am going for a 16GB Class 10 for the pi to run xbmc
[22:21] <Disconnect> damnit. gandi says "this is the max ram before you need a reboot" so I update to under that and it reboots anyway. pita.
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[22:21] <Opinie> I can't figure out this apc stuff
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[22:21] <Disconnect> anyway. everyone (including the author of raspbmc) recommends running off usb instead of sd because usb performance on pi is better
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[22:22] <Disconnect> and OC is way less likely to cause usb corruption than sd
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[22:22] <opieng> oh I see Disconnect, ummm so don't use the SD at all for the OS? sorry I am new to all this
[22:24] <Disconnect> yah. sd is required to boot but you don't have to use it after that. the kernel will set up usb and can use it for running
[22:24] <Opinie> nid0: the tutorials I find seem to point me to edit the wrong files etc
[22:24] <Opinie> what did you do?
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[22:25] <opieng> Disconnect, oh ok thanks
[22:26] <nid0> Opinie: it differs slightly depending on how you have php installed but broadly, you simply need to apt-get install php-pecl then pecl install apc then modify php.ini to set apc.cache_by_default = 1 and apc.shm_size to maybe 40M
[22:27] <Opinie> oh ok
[22:27] <Opinie> that seems a lot simpler from what I've been reading
[22:27] <Opinie> do you know, where this php.ini should be?
[22:29] <nid0> usually /usr/lib/php.ini or /usr/local/lib/php.ini, php -i will tell you where its loading from though
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[22:37] <Opinie> nid0: err.. I can't even find a package called php-pecl
[22:37] <nid0> have you tried installing apc with pecl to see if its already installed?
[22:38] <Opinie> I think there was some problem when I tried, I'll try again
[22:38] <nid0> you might in fact be able to install apc without using pecl, try apt-get install php-apc
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[22:42] <Opinie> nid0: well, I have now installed php-apc
[22:43] <Opinie> peck install pac is still running
[22:43] <Opinie> *pecl
[22:44] <Opinie> I haven't got php.ini in /usr/lib/php.ini though
[22:44] <Opinie> just in /etc/php5/...
[22:44] <frikinz> Hum wonder why my microsd adapter is now only detected by the pi and not by any of my laptop :/
[22:45] <frikinz> a small 1mm piece of plastic fell off actually
[22:45] <Disconnect> lol
[22:45] <frikinz> :)
[22:45] <Disconnect> shouldn't the question be why the pi does still detect it?
[22:45] <frikinz> come on 1 mm !
[22:45] <Disconnect> lol
[22:46] <Disconnect> "its just one chip how important can it be"
[22:46] <frikinz> 1mm on the edge: the guiding stuff
[22:46] <bertrik> is the piece of plastic stuck in your laptop now perhaps?
[22:46] <Disconnect> yah i was gonna say, probably its the shape of the slots not making contact
[22:46] <Opinie> nid0: is there any chance the php.ini could be located in /usr/php5?
[22:46] <frikinz> no, under my shoe probably ahah
[22:46] <mafi> rs didnt send me an answer yet.. who would have thought ...
[22:46] * Disconnect found a 2g microsd on the floor earlier today. doh.
[22:46] <nid0> Opinie: quite probably, as i said, its location varies, and you can check with php -i
[22:47] <Opinie> I have a bunch of them
[22:47] <nid0> ?
[22:47] <frikinz> Disconnect: well, watch out, the piece fell off and I think wow lucky, its the edge. but now nothing but the pi can read it
[22:47] <Opinie> I have 4 files called php.ini
[22:47] <frikinz> I could open the laptop to see how its done inside but well
[22:47] <nid0> yes, which is why, again, you run php -i to tell you which one is actually being loaded
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[22:48] <nid0> or if you want to be even more specific about it, php -i|grep Loaded
[22:50] <Opinie> :)
[22:50] <Opinie> it's this one, apparently /etc/php5/cli/php.ini
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[22:53] <Opinie> nid0: err???do you remember where about that set apc.cache might be?
[22:53] <nid0> just add it to the end of the file
[22:53] <Opinie> oh
[22:54] <frikinz> so that adapter seems dead. only works on the pi. mmmhh
[22:54] <Lartza> So if I don't use force_turbo=1 or current_limit_override I am all good warranty-wise?
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[22:54] <Lartza> or temp_limit even
[22:55] <Opinie> are you making changes to /boot/config.txt
[22:55] <Opinie> or whatever that file is?
[22:55] <Lartza> Yeah
[22:55] <Opinie> err
[22:55] <Opinie> don't do that
[22:55] <Lartza> ...
[22:55] <Opinie> get raspi-config
[22:55] <Lartza> NO
[22:55] <Lartza> *No
[22:55] <Opinie> oh, ok
[22:55] <Lartza> :P
[22:55] <Opinie> why not though?
[22:56] <Lartza> No need
[22:56] <Opinie> umm, ok
[22:56] <Lartza> Also to me it's a lot more clear when I know what it says on config.txt
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[22:57] <Opinie> nid0: like really to the end of the file?
[22:57] <nid0> yes
[22:57] <Opinie> yeah, sorry, I'm a noob etc
[22:58] <Opinie> so for example apc.shm_size = 40
[22:58] <Opinie> is correctly formatted
[22:58] <nid0> 40M
[22:58] <Opinie> or do I need to use
[22:58] <Opinie> yeah ok
[22:58] <Opinie> ok done that
[22:59] <Opinie> now I just reload lighted?
[22:59] <Opinie> *lighttpd
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[23:01] <Lartza> Opinie, Php-settings you usually reaload php?
[23:01] <Opinie> so reload php5-fpm?
[23:02] <Lartza> Yeah
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[23:02] <Opinie> yeah, I'm a jack ass
[23:02] <Opinie> now my wikis not working
[23:02] <Opinie> lol
[23:02] <rikkib> php is a wb server like apache... Reload the web server to change php settings
[23:03] <rikkib> php in
[23:03] <Lartza> rikkib, ?
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[23:03] <rikkib> <Lartza> Opinie, Php-settings you usually reaload php?
[23:03] <Lartza> rikkib, Yeah
[23:04] <Lartza> He needs to restart php-fpm
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[23:04] <Opinie> did that, didn't help at least immediately
[23:04] <Opinie> rebooted the pi
[23:04] <Opinie> hope I didn't do something to the mysql database earlier
[23:05] <Opinie> well.. if I've learned something, it's not to go study computer science in university
[23:05] <Lartza> How so? :D
[23:06] <Opinie> I'm so dashed confused
[23:06] <Lartza> Hmm
[23:06] <Lartza> Opinie, First experience with Linux and servers?
[23:06] <Opinie> not with linux, I've been using linux for a while already
[23:06] <Opinie> I just never really dared dabble with it, because I was doing school assignments etc. on my machine
[23:07] <Opinie> so anything major going wrong could've been a disaster
[23:07] <Opinie> now on the other hand
[23:07] <akk> Dabbling and messing things up is most of the fun of Linux.
[23:07] <Opinie> ..
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[23:07] <Lartza> Yeah
[23:07] <Opinie> cleaning up on the other hand
[23:07] <Lartza> Opinie, Never configured and compiled a kernel yourself?
[23:07] <Opinie> nah
[23:07] <akk> Yeah, cleaning up with a time deadline isn't always so much fun.
[23:07] <Lartza> Opinie, Aww you are missing so much ;)
[23:08] <Opinie> I've noticed it's easy to get kind of obsessive when something's gone wrong
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[23:08] <Disconnect> anyone try skype on the pi yet? was going to use it for background video at an event next month and someone just said they wanted to dial in.
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[23:08] <Opinie> yeah, now something's totally wrong with mysql
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[23:08] <Opinie> I've done it now
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[23:09] <Opinie> I'm glad these conversations are being logged
[23:09] <Opinie> so I can pinpoint exactly where everything went wrong
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[23:09] <Lartza> I remember the feeling when .bash_history is empty...
[23:10] <Lartza> Or well not empty but doesn't contain stuff from the terminal you did all the stuff in
[23:10] <Disconnect> Lartza: i've frequently thought that history needed some simple way to multiplex.
[23:11] * Disconnect just hasn't been annoyed enough by it to hack something in. I must be old, my tolerance for stupidity in computers has gone up while my tolerance for stupid people went down..
[23:12] <Opinie> so well apparently mysql is actually starting alright
[23:12] <Lartza> Disconnect, Not sure if someone has done something about it? I haven't looked at all actually
[23:12] <Lartza> Opinie, MySQL on RPi?
[23:12] <Opinie> yeah?
[23:12] <Lartza> 512MB?
[23:12] <Opinie> was that dumb
[23:12] <Opinie> nope
[23:12] <Disconnect> i'd be surprised if there wasn't an attempt at some point, but i'd be really surprised if it was vaguely reasonable and maintained..
[23:13] <Lartza> MySQL is pretty heavy at times
[23:13] <nid0> MySQL runs fine on the pi for a low/use wordpress/mediawiki install
[23:13] <Disconnect> for values of low approaching zero :)
[23:13] <nid0> not really
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[23:14] <Lartza> nid0, Yeah I think it scales somehow when you run it on a better system it automatically uses more resources? Since I've ran MySQL on ridiculously small systems fine yet it always uses resources in real applications
[23:14] <Opinie> does anyone else ever feel like raging at their machines?
[23:14] <Opinie> like really throwing a tantrum
[23:15] <Lartza> Opinie, Every "LAMP" problem I encounter I just start from scratch
[23:15] <Lartza> Uninstall everything and start again
[23:15] <Opinie> ok
[23:15] <Lartza> Install http and mysql then configuring php :P
[23:15] <Lartza> Repeat until it works
[23:16] <Lartza> My record is something like four reinstalls
[23:16] <Opinie> I'm gonna go study unless this starts working pretty soon
[23:16] <Lartza> Before I realized what was wrong or did it right ;)
[23:16] <Opinie> and remain in front of those books until I've finished a few more courses
[23:16] <Lartza> Opinie, That is another good strategy
[23:17] <Lartza> Especially if it's getting frustrating
[23:17] <Lartza> You start forgetting stuff you've already done right the last time...
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[23:17] <Opinie> the frustrating thing is, I got all of this running the day before yesterday
[23:17] <Opinie> then I did something really stupid
[23:18] <Opinie> which caused a kernel panic
[23:18] <Lartza> Which was?
[23:18] <Lartza> :D
[23:18] <Opinie> I have no idea
[23:18] <Lartza> Hmm
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[23:18] <Opinie> not really important either
[23:18] <Opinie> anyway
[23:19] <Opinie> then I found out that I couldn't restore my set up using the backups I made with deja-dup
[23:19] <Opinie> so today I started from scratch
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[23:20] <Opinie> and now don't know what I did right the day before yesterday, when I got my wiki and wordpress running just fine
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[23:20] <Opinie> moral of the story: always make backups with dd after you've successfully finished doing something important
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[23:23] <Lartza> Opinie, For some reason I haven't ever had a backup of really anything and everything has been safe
[23:23] <Lartza> But I have been lucky
[23:23] <Lartza> And lately started doing backups :)
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[23:24] <Opinie> you probably had some idea of what you've been doing
[23:24] <nid0> precisely what errors are you actually getting?
[23:24] <Opinie> actually
[23:24] <Opinie> I think I'm kind of well off at the moment
[23:24] <Opinie> the only error I think i'm getting is this when I try to load the wiki
[23:24] <Opinie> Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
[23:25] <Inspiral> so, i have a problem with dd - running 'dd bs=1M (or 4M) if=/image.img of=/dev/sdcard' results in no boot from the pi (red light stays on nothing else). win32diskimager works fine - any suggestions ?
[23:29] <Lartza> Opinie, lighttpd logsss
[23:29] <Lartza> Not sure if php-fpm keeps a log too?
[23:29] <Opinie> I'll check
[23:29] <Opinie> ..
[23:30] <Opinie> interesting
[23:30] <Opinie> I am currently running the wordpress install
[23:30] <frikinz> Inspiral: is the bs option really needed?
[23:31] <Opinie> if that's functioning, wouldn't that mean php5 has to be fine?
[23:31] <Opinie> and that the problem is in the mysql?
[23:31] <Opinie> Lartza
[23:31] <Lartza> Opinie, Wordpress uses mysql too so it's wiki mysql problem
[23:32] <Opinie> right
[23:32] <Opinie> so if I told mysql to drop the database I've created for the wiki
[23:32] <Opinie> and then started from scratch
[23:32] <Opinie> would that work
[23:33] <Opinie> I could even destroy the whole folder wiki is in
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[23:33] <Lartza> Hopefully ;)
[23:33] <Opinie> ok
[23:33] <Opinie> so anyway, what's compiling the kernel like?
[23:33] <Lartza> If the wiki has no contents no reason to really not drop the table
[23:33] <Lartza> Opinie, Easy and hard
[23:33] <Lartza> Fun and frustrating
[23:33] <Opinie> it has no contents yeah
[23:33] <Lartza> Quick and slow
[23:34] <Opinie> what's it about really?
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[23:34] <Lartza> You configure the features then wait for it to compile, you can disable things to make it faster and get more optimizations instead of distro's general optimizations
[23:34] <Lartza> For your processor type
[23:34] <Opinie> oh right
[23:35] <Opinie> so that's what linus had been doing when he mentioned his computer was up in less than a second
[23:35] <Opinie> when booted
[23:35] <Lartza> Umm
[23:35] <Lartza> Well I don't know how he did THAT :D
[23:35] <Opinie> yeah, but a fair assumption probably is
[23:35] <Lartza> But making the kernel have anything inside it and not loading modules makes a faster boot of course
[23:35] <FLHerne> That would be very tricky with commercial hardware :o
[23:35] <Lartza> *everything
[23:36] <Opinie> I think I can still find the talk
[23:36] <Opinie> hope I'm not exaggerating
[23:36] <Inspiral> <frikinz> Inspiral: is the bs option really needed? << maybe not ?
[23:36] <Opinie> but it was a very short period of time it took for his computer to boot anyway
[23:36] <Inspiral> ill try without
[23:36] <Lartza> http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/2011/1-second-linux-boot-to-qt/
[23:37] <Lartza> That's not Linus though ;)
[23:37] <Opinie> I think he mentioned it when he was holding a talk on git for google
[23:37] <Lartza> Also the video is removed
[23:37] <Opinie> I'm actually pretty sure that was where I heard it from
[23:37] <frikinz> Inspiral: for faster copy probably needed. otherwise I don't see why your dd would fail to boot the card if it works with the other tool (ie the card has no badblocks)
[23:37] <Opinie> wordpress running
[23:37] <Opinie> success
[23:38] <Opinie> now I'll listen to hell yes by beck for half an hour
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[23:40] <Lartza> Opinie, What do you need this wiki for by the way? Or is it just for the heck of it? :)
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[23:41] <Opinie> Lartza: kind of for the heck of it, what I really wanted was the wordpress
[23:41] <Opinie> I just found tutorial for the wiki, which was really easy to follow
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[23:41] <Opinie> so i did whatever was required for the wiki and then applied what I learned for the wordpress
[23:41] <Lartza> Opinie, Hmm?
[23:41] <Opinie> and got it running like that
[23:41] <Lartza> Okay
[23:41] <Opinie> anyway
[23:41] <Lartza> Whatver works for you :)
[23:42] <Opinie> I'm using these things to document things I've done on the pi for example
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[23:43] <Opinie> actually, now come to think of it
[23:43] <Opinie> maybe not best to document stuff I've done on the pi on the pi itself..
[23:43] <Opinie> lol
[23:43] <Inspiral> <frikinz> Inspiral: for faster copy probably needed. otherwise I don't see why your dd would fail to boot the card if it works with the other tool (ie the card has no badblocks) << afaik the card is spot on but untested brand new class 10
[23:44] <Opinie> but thanks for your help Lartza and nid0
[23:44] <Lartza> Opinie, I've really only done a binary clock
[23:44] <Lartza> Tomorrow going to unbrick my friends china tablet with SPI
[23:44] <Lartza> ;)
[23:44] <Lartza> I need a SPI programmer for debian
[23:44] <Opinie> SPI?
[23:44] <Lartza> serial
[23:48] <Opinie> wow editing that php.ini file really made all the difference
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[23:49] <Opinie> last time I had wordpress running it was so slow it was practically unusable
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[23:50] <matt08> could someone help me with how to create a keymap file to fix my volume down and power control and then ssh it?
[23:51] <Opinie> Lartza: actually, do you know, how I could set up my hostname as, for example, "rpi.local"?
[23:51] <Lartza> Umm
[23:51] <Lartza> /etc/hostname?
[23:51] <Lartza> or /etc/hosts
[23:51] <Lartza> :D
[23:51] <Lartza> Latter I think
[23:51] <Opinie> I think it's /etc/hosts
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[23:52] <Opinie> I did try adding a line like this
[23:52] <Opinie> rpi rpi.local
[23:52] <Opinie> but it didn't really help
[23:52] <Lartza> Umm
[23:52] <Opinie> or have any effect
[23:52] <Lartza> I acually have no idea what RPi uses for networking..
[23:52] <Lartza> Raspbian?
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[23:53] <Opinie> that's what I'm using
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[23:53] <Opinie> I mean that's the OS I'm using
[23:53] <Opinie> if that's what you're asking
[23:54] <Lartza> Opinie, Change it in /etc/hostname too
[23:54] <Opinie> all I have in there is
[23:54] <Opinie> "raspberrypi"
[23:54] <Lartza> Well
[23:54] <Lartza> What is your hostname now then?
[23:54] <Opinie> I just add the same line I pasted?
[23:55] <Opinie> err
[23:55] <Lartza> No
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[23:55] <Lartza> You just add the hostname you want
[23:55] <Opinie> well I see the rpi on samba as raspberrypi
[23:55] <Lartza> Which you probably already have just not in PS1
[23:55] <Lartza> Oh
[23:55] <Lartza> Well then change it in hostname
[23:55] <Opinie> as rpi.local?
[23:55] <Lartza> No
[23:55] <Lartza> Unless you want it?
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[23:55] <Lartza> I think you want "pi"
[23:56] <Lartza> Also why are you setting /etc/hosts for your LAN IP?
[23:56] <Opinie> I just want to be able to access the pi without knowing the internal ip
[23:56] <Lartza> You need to add it to the hosts file of the computer accessing it :P
[23:56] <Opinie> ok
[23:56] <Lartza> Also
[23:56] <Lartza> What does your /etc/hosts say now?
[23:57] <Lartza> I hope it's right...
[23:57] <Lartza> If you changed it
[23:57] <Opinie> I didn't
[23:57] <Lartza> Okay then
[23:57] <Lartza> But if you want a different hostname for samba and such
[23:57] <Opinie> I'll pastebin
[23:57] <Opinie> nah, I don't
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[23:57] <Lartza> Edit /etc/hosts Probably second line "raspberrypi"
[23:57] <Lartza> Oh okay then
[23:58] <Opinie> I guess
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[23:58] <Opinie> err
[23:58] <Lartza> Well on your desktop or windows add rpi
[23:58] <Lartza> to the hosts file and you can use "rpi" to access it
[23:58] <axion> one or more hostnames can come after an ip in the hosts file for lan and wan if you'd like
[23:59] <Opinie> hmm
[23:59] <Opinie> ok
[23:59] <axion> mine is: pibox.example.com pibox

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