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IRC Log for 2012-12-04

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[0:13] <neobenedict> anyone here got vlc working
[0:13] <neobenedict> on arch
[0:13] <ajitam> Just status update "-o force" did the job (first time it crashed the computer but 2. was the charm :) )
[0:13] <ajitam> thx all
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[0:18] <ParkerR_> neobenedict, Heh haven't even bother with X yet (actually haven't even tried arch yet on the Pi)
[0:18] <ParkerR_> *bothered
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[0:29] <nerxgas> hello
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[0:30] <nerxgas> are their accessibility options on raspbian wheezy to make text and icons bigger?
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[0:48] <scummos> nerxgas: refer to the documentation for the desktop environment you use, most DEs have something like that.
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[1:02] <ParkerR_> :D http://i.minus.com/iQkmWsXqhBQyj.png
[1:03] <Caleb> nice shot ParkerR_
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[1:04] <ParkerR_> Ok, now to work on getting some emulators going
[1:07] <xibalba> what are these two screens on the right hand side?
[1:07] <xibalba> alsamixer? and what looks to be some torrents?
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[1:24] <arquebus> hello, Im running plan 9, and I cant see a cursor, when I click on the mouse it just highlights the upper left window. Am I missing something here?
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[1:27] <arquebus> no one is using plan 9?
[1:27] <nerxgas> what is a good tool to test a webcam on raspbian, i tried cheese and xawtv to no avail
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[1:30] <pksato> Plan 9 From Outer Space?
[1:31] <plugwash> i'm assuming he reffers to some port of "plan 9 from bell labs"
[1:31] <pksato> 3h to download 9pi.img.gz
[1:32] <arquebus> yes, plan 9 from bell labs
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[1:35] <arquebus> http://bendyworks.com/geekville/lab_projects/2012/11/getting-plan-9-running-on-the-raspberry-pi
[1:35] <arquebus> cant believe you havent heard aboutit
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[1:36] <plugwash> the raspberry Pi community has now grown to the size where no one person can follow everything that is going on
[1:37] <Hodapp> oh gawd, plan 9?
[1:37] <arquebus> plugwash, good point, but a lot of people have been wanting to use plan 9 but couldnt because it wont run on modern pc drivers, so I thought a lot of people would be excited about finally being able to run it, as it is miles better than any unix
[1:38] <BurtyB> (in your opinion and for your requirements)
[1:38] <Hodapp> I wouldn't put it at miles better than any Unix, though it does clear up a lot of things and solve some problems very elegantly
[1:39] <arquebus> BurtyB: there is a thing called "worse is better" which pretty much means that people use operating systems that everyone else uses, not the best available
[1:39] <BurtyB> see above
[1:40] <plugwash> ultimately an operating systems job is to abstract my hardware and run my software, an operating system that fails at those tasks is of very limited use no matter how elegant it is
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[1:40] <Hodapp> http://dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html - the origin of the phrase, "Worse Is Better" in this context - says basically nothing about popularity
[1:41] <uski> <channel has entered #troll mode - it's time to buy popcorn and watch the world burn>
[1:42] <Hodapp> "The concept known as "worse is better" holds that in software making (and perhaps in other arenas as well) it is better to start with a minimal creation and grow it as needed."
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[1:43] <arquebus> ok, well not to argue the point, but unix became popular because AT&T gave away the source at a time when there were no free OS's available. OS's like VMS are much superior, but were never used because they were too expensive. You really can not know how bad unix is till youve tried the alternatives
[1:44] <uski> the thing i hate the most on unix like systems is the startup scripts
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[1:44] <Hodapp> plugwash: They certainly can be interesting experiments and can prove a lot of points about the feasibility of particular designs, but yeah, limited in usability.
[1:44] <uski> and the fact that scripts are used everywhere and that they are not robust at all
[1:44] <lunra> VMS is terrible, iMO
[1:44] <Hodapp> arquebus: I highly doubt that the sole reason for popularity was the availability of source.
[1:45] <uski> you know, when you run apt-get update, and at some point you see things like "[[ 2 : No such file or directory"... and then you know something is just broken in your system, but you have no way to know what is it
[1:45] <lunra> Of all three ex-VMS admins I've met, they all stated, maybe only half jokingly, that they were suicidal when they had to manage VMS.
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[1:46] <Hodapp> arquebus: You speak with some certainty about operating system superiority. What is the objective test for OS superiority?
[1:46] <lunra> http://deathrow.vistech.net/ if you wanna try VMS
[1:47] <arquebus> lunra- Im very surprised to hear that, because unix has an overly purmisive shell that allows you to do a lot of dangerous things, which is ok when the people who operate the OS are systems programmers, but not for regular sys admins
[1:47] <Hodapp> lunra: oh, right, you talk about how VMS admins wanted to kill themselves and then you tell us to go try it :P
[1:47] <lunra> Hodapp: :D
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[1:49] <Hodapp> arquebus: In what way does Unix have an overly permissive shell, and what about it makes it only usable for systems programmers and unusable for regular sys admins?
[1:49] <arquebus> well I for one have never wanted to get bogged down in the crazy world of sockets and device files in unix as I found little fun in learning that. But Plan 9 has a unified network protocol that works for everythign, hardware, networking, I/O, I think I might just turn out to be a Plan 9 guru as it would be worth learning
[1:50] <lunra> root can do anything. He probably wishes for a permission system with more tiers, which can be accomplished with things like selinux or so I believe
[1:50] <lunra> (but then it's no longer Unix, you may argue)
[1:50] <Tachyon`> is that a reference to plan 9 from outer space?
[1:50] <lunra> Yep!
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[1:50] <Hodapp> arquebus: Have you read any of the papers from Bell Labs about Plan 9? You speak of getting bogged down in 'device files', and one of the points they make right up front in Plan 9 is that they take 'everything is a file' to a far greater extent than any Unix.
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[1:51] <Tachyon`> oh heh, I watched the film recently to see if it was really as bad as everyone says
[1:51] <Tachyon`> it seems it is...
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[1:52] <du> i guess i can just boot the 'pi w/out a monitor
[1:52] <du> and hook it up in a corner via ssh
[1:52] <du> and ethernet
[1:52] <arquebus> Hodapp- scroll down to where it says "Command Shell Syntax Observations http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/vms_vs_unix.html
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[1:53] <Hodapp> arquebus: Of what relevance is providing a safety net against accidental deletion to 'systems programmers'?
[1:54] <arquebus> Hodapp: as I said before, the OS was meant for systems programmers, not sys admins
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[1:54] <Hodapp> arquebus: That's not an answer.
[1:54] <lunra> "Named because it was meant to be a single (Uni) user version of the Multics operating system which was developed by "General Electric" and MIT" that doesn't sound right. I heard it was merely a sort of pun on the multics name -- pretty sure Unix was always multiuser!
[1:55] <mdim> how to post comments on blog posts on raspberry pi? It keeps on saying that I didn't provide valid email address
[1:55] <Hodapp> arquebus: How is this relevant to 'systems programmers', and why is it evidence of superiority of one over the other?
[1:55] <mdim> ... on raspberrypi.org
[1:55] <arquebus> lunra- it is a pun, as in eunuchs
[1:56] <lunra> Yep
[1:56] <lunra> which makes us feel weird to say we know how to 'use eunuchs'.
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[1:57] <Kanerix> which is why I prefer linux...
[1:57] <Kanerix> The name alone makes it better =p
[1:57] <arquebus> Hodapp: its just a dangerous OS, it leaves too much open for configuration, the reason unix has persisted is simply because to much legacy code is based on it
[1:58] <Hodapp> arquebus: What makes you certain that that is a reason Unix has persisted, and furthermore that it is the only reason it has?
[1:58] <lunra> Time will tell.
[1:58] <Hodapp> arquebus: Also, what does providing a safety net against accidental file deletion have to do with "configuration"?
[1:59] <lunra> If Plan 9 is superior, it will prevail. As Linux is doing for servers,arguably.
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[2:00] <arquebus> Hodapp- there just arent any competing operating systems available for people to choose, the unix/BSD/Linux has a huge code base available, no one has ever thought it worth rewriting Linux to make it easier. But not that Plan 9 is available that might change
[2:00] <Hodapp> arquebus: Also, why is 'danger' an automatic reason to regard one OS or model as superior to another? Do you feel that it prevails over all other design aspects - that is, that an OS's primary purpose is to be 'safe' rather than 'dangerous'?
[2:01] <nerxgas> stop arguing
[2:01] <arquebus> But *now that
[2:01] <Hodapp> arquebus: Are you certain that no one has ever thought it worth rewriting Linux?
[2:01] <Hodapp> arquebus: You don't have to look very far to find that, yes, people have, and they've written operating systems.
[2:01] <arquebus> Hodapp- yes, pretty much
[2:02] <Hodapp> arquebus: So you're agreeing that people have found it worth rewriting Linux?
[2:02] <arquebus> Hodapp: like what? minux and Haiku are the only two free alternatives I can think of off hand
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[2:03] <Hodapp> arquebus: I assume you're referring to "Minix", not "Minux", which was more or less what inspired Linux in the first place, not the other way around.
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[2:03] <arquebus> ok, minix
[2:03] <Hodapp> arquebus: Haiku is a reimplementation of BeOS, which came after Linux.
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[2:04] <Hodapp> arquebus: If you'd read any of the design basis of it from JLG (a former Apple employee) you'd be aware that BeOS existed first and foremost in response to the level of cruft he saw accumulating in all other OSes at the time.
[2:04] <nimtz> anyone used mageia here?
[2:04] <arquebus> Hodap, I know, and its pretty stupid too as they can not reference the original source, so its pretty much an entirely different OS
[2:04] * lunra wonders if Plan 9's kernel supports basic security like the NX bit and ASLR
[2:04] <Hodapp> arquebus: AtheOS is another; it's now Syllable, and it's self-hosting (and has been for awhile).
[2:05] <Hodapp> arquebus: Just be aware that it's kind of silly to say that no one has thought it worth rewriting Linux to make it easier.
[2:05] <arquebus> Hodapp: thats interesting, I dont know much about the history of beos, I do know it was designed by very smart kernel programmers and is probably the fastest OS multitasking OS in existence
[2:05] <mdim> anyone?
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[2:05] <du> i think you should both pat yourselves on the back for your indepth knowledge of the discussion
[2:06] <arquebus> du- us?
[2:06] <du> yeah
[2:06] <Hodapp> arquebus: but have you tried BeOS? It still may run on some modern hardware but I don't know if it's available.
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[2:06] <du> interesting little discussion
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[2:06] <Hodapp> arquebus: Haiku runs on newer hardware and receives active updates, but is a little flakier still
[2:06] <arquebus> Hodapp: its currently owned by a tiny japanese company, I doubt its still available
[2:07] <Hodapp> arquebus: The free version - which came in a 40 MB download that expanded into a 512 MB filesystem - might still be available.
[2:07] <Hodapp> arquebus: It's certainly in my archives if you want me to find it.
[2:08] <arquebus> Hodapp: I appreciate it, but Ive tried to install it before and even on old hardware it didnt go well, but thx anyway
[2:08] <Hodapp> What does 'old hardware' mean here?
[2:08] <arquebus> on that note, I got to head out, nice talking with you all
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[2:08] <Hodapp> ...though I would like to see Haiku running on ARM but they may just be a dream
[2:09] <lunra> I hate it when people disconnect a) right after an argument and b) without letting us say goodbye :X
[2:09] <du> do either of you do any programming? if so, primarily in what languages?
[2:09] <Hodapp> I'd put his age at about 17. He has some knowledge, but he still makes grand sweeping generalizations without much to back them up, whether experience or reading.
[2:09] <lunra> who? me? C.
[2:09] <lunra> probably not me.
[2:10] <Hodapp> du: C, C++, Python, Scala, Clojure, some Lisp, Java, MATLAB
[2:10] <du> well, anyone but that's cool too- i've done php for 10+ years and just started learning c
[2:10] <Hodapp> PHP was based on C in a lot of ways
[2:10] <Hodapp> it's just much much much uglier
[2:10] <lunra> ^
[2:10] <du> that's the main reason i started learning it, because i had tried unsuccessfully multiple times to learn c
[2:10] <Hodapp> du: What do you want to do with C?
[2:11] <du> now i'm picking up c well
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[2:11] <du> i'm not sure yet, maybe write an extension for php or apache
[2:11] <du> feed what i'm learning back on what i already know
[2:12] <du> but actually hoping on using rpi gpio stuff to maybe interact with stuff too, with c
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[2:13] <Hodapp> that can be a bit to take on if you're less familiar with low-level C
[2:13] <Hodapp> but I suppose the libraries don't make it that hard
[2:13] <lunra> gordonDr_gon's WiringPi is very easy to use.
[2:13] <du> i'm patient and ambitious
[2:13] <lunra> Much like the Arduino environment which has been used by people with zero coding experience.
[2:14] <lunra> I'd mostly be worried about dealing with the 3v3 IOs... start by blinking LEDs, not interfacing with sensors!
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[2:15] <du> interesting proiject
[2:17] <lunra> I use http://dx.com/p/30cm-breadboard-wires-for-electronic-diy-40-cable-pack-80207 for getting access to the GPIOs
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[2:56] <pksato> now, powering plan9.
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[3:04] <MycoRunner> is it possible to resize the ~1.8Gb root partition on the SD card FROM the RPi?
[3:04] <shiftplusone> yes, I think so
[3:05] <pksato> MycoRunner: most images provide tools to resize.
[3:05] <MycoRunner> ok, I'm on Arch
[3:05] <shiftplusone> raspbian and debian sure do
[3:06] <pksato> some do it on first boot.
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[3:06] <shiftplusone> don't know about Arch, I did it manually before putting the card in the pi.
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[3:06] <shiftplusone> I would remount the root partition read-only, Recreate the partition to fill the space, sync, reboot. then resize.
[3:06] <shiftplusone> I don't know if that will work or if it's the 'right' way to do it though, haven't tried.
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[3:07] <pksato> no mouse on plan9
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[3:07] <mythos> ext4 is able to hot-resize
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[3:07] <shiftplusone> then he should be ok
[3:07] <MycoRunner> shiftplusone: thanks
[3:08] <chithead> you need to increase the size of the partition and make the kernel aware of the change before you can resize the filesystem. raspbian has raspi-config to automate that
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[3:10] <shiftplusone> MycoRunner, http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_on_Raspberry_Pi
[3:10] <shiftplusone> I don't know if those instructions are accurate, since they assume there is a swap partition and I am not sure if that's the case on arch.
[3:11] <shiftplusone> but... use your brain and adjust accordingly
[3:12] <MycoRunner> shiftplusone: thanks
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[3:12] <MycoRunner> I was on that site but somehow missed it
[3:13] <shiftplusone> It's... hidden away.
[3:13] <shiftplusone> For the most part, the wiki assumes everyone used raspbian. So if you don't, you have to dig a little deeper.
[3:13] <shiftplusone> *uses
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> any news on a availability?
[3:16] <MycoRunner> Hm, its seems the boot partition uses FAT16
[3:16] <shiftplusone> yes
[3:16] <MycoRunner> seems a little strange, isn't it usually EXT2 or something?
[3:16] <chithead> it should use fat32
[3:16] <shiftplusone> This isn't your usual typical computer
[3:16] <chithead> the boot loader cannot read ext2
[3:17] <shiftplusone> The internal bootrom that lives on the GPU uses fat. I suppose because it's easy to implement support for it with a small footprint.
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[3:18] <shiftplusone> Then it loads bootcode.bin which loads loader.bin, then magic happens and eventually kernel.img is loaded.
[3:18] <MycoRunner> cool
[3:19] <MycoRunner> unfamiliar with ARM stuff so its all new
[3:19] <shiftplusone> Yeah, it's a bit unusual for ARM, since everything before kernel.img is actually executed on the GPU, not ARM itself.
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[3:22] <shiftplusone> Hmm... received negative feedback on ebay... just one word: Bed
[3:23] <CelticTurnip> that explains it all :)
[3:23] <shiftplusone> Yeah, go figure =/
[3:23] <SpeedEvil> for what?
[3:23] <shiftplusone> A wallet
[3:24] <CelticTurnip> well that's your problem right there... you sent them a bed instead?
[3:24] <SpeedEvil> did it smell of cat pee?
[3:24] <shiftplusone> I hope not
[3:24] <shiftplusone> I don't have a cat or any cat pee stored anywhere.
[3:25] * SpeedEvil needs some cat pee
[3:25] <shiftplusone> heh O_o
[3:25] <CelticTurnip> craigslist :P
[3:25] <shiftplusone> wouldn't be surprised
[3:25] <TheLaughingMan> So I don't know if this chip is bad or if I am doing something wrong
[3:25] <shiftplusone> What's the problem?
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[3:27] <TheLaughingMan> I got a I2C 16 GPIO Port Expander, and I am having issues finding it with i2cdetect
[3:27] <TheLaughingMan> It was showing up earlier but having issues with it's address
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[3:32] * CelticTurnip goes back to playing Angband at work :)
[3:33] * CelticTurnip dies :(
[3:33] <lunra> That was fast.
[3:33] <CelticTurnip> yeah I blame a swarm of white worms :)
[3:33] <lunra> :)
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[3:43] <satwood> anyone tried freeswitch on raspberrypi ?
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[3:46] <MycoRunner> does anyone use the component out rather than HDMI?
[3:46] <satwood> anyone tried voip on freeswitch /
[3:46] <satwood> anyone tried voip on the pi ?
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[3:46] <satwood> how about debian ?
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[3:46] <shiftplusone> MycoRunner, not permanantly, but I have a few times for openelec.
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[3:51] <pksato> I need more space on desk https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hWY_tZFqdBU/UL1kF5bFIPI/AAAAAAAABzg/I3F6uShiwX4/s144/rpi_powered_from_monitor.jpg
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[3:54] <RyanD> pksato: that's the smallest picture I've ever seen
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[3:55] <shiftplusone> Maybe he needs more space because it's actual size?
[3:56] <RyanD> In that case, that's the smallest monitor I've ever seen.
[3:59] <pksato> Its a only portion of one of my little desk.
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5npkz0xY1fo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[3:59] <SpeedEvil> smaller pi monitor
[3:59] <pksato> ITs is a 15" monitor.
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[4:01] <TheLaughingMan> I am getting annoyed with this
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[4:13] <mooglenorph> Hi, I'm having a weird problem with sshd.
[4:13] <mooglenorph> It takes three or four tries to connect to the pi, then it's fine until I reboot.
[4:13] <mooglenorph> And I know I'm not attempting to connect during the boot process because I have a monitor connected.
[4:14] <mooglenorph> I get "ssh connection refused"
[4:14] <shiftplusone> sounds like a network problem
[4:14] <mooglenorph> And then for no apparent reason I get prompted for my password and can log in just fine, after three or four "connection refused" attempts.
[4:14] <mooglenorph> Yeah, that's what I though? Maybe my router is garbage?
[4:14] <shiftplusone> just in case, check the logs on the pi, just in case.
[4:15] <mooglenorph> Anyway, I was looking in auth.log, can't find *anything* corrosponding to the failed attempts.
[4:15] <mooglenorph> No timestamps, nothing. Just "accepted password for mooglenorph port blah blah ..."
[4:15] <mooglenorph> Corrosponding to the successful attempts.
[4:15] <mooglenorph> I have the pi hooked up to an iphone charger, is this okay?
[4:16] <shiftplusone> yeah, should be. Can you ping the pi when you're unable to connect to it?
[4:16] <mooglenorph> Indeed I can. That's what's so weird.
[4:17] <mooglenorph> (Sorry, forgot to mention that)
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[4:18] <shiftplusone> I've got no idea then, but I generally suck with network problems. =/
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[4:19] <mooglenorph> Yeah I do too :P
[4:19] <mooglenorph> know enough to ping and check the sshd logs
[4:19] <pksato> wait, I connect my pi to net...
[4:19] <shiftplusone> It sounds like sshd isn't even running then.
[4:20] <mooglenorph> It is though. Immediately after a connection refused, I can ssh localhost on the pi and it works.
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[4:20] <mooglenorph> Like, the variability is what's so odd.
[4:20] <shiftplusone> Try sshing with the verbose options maybe
[4:21] <shiftplusone> might tell you something interesting
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[4:21] <mooglenorph> Good call, I'll try that... I bet it's my awful router. Ugh.
[4:21] <mooglenorph> I'll give that a go tomorrow. Thanks!
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[4:23] <pksato> network up, but, ping dont respond.
[4:23] <pksato> now have a reply.
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[4:24] <pksato> after boot, raspbian take some time to network work.
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[4:24] <shiftplusone> pksato, I don't think it's a problem on the pi end, but just in case, check your voltages.
[4:25] <pksato> yes, voltage is 4.51V, try another psu.
[4:26] <shiftplusone> Yeah, that's pretty bad.
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[4:28] <pksato> netwrk up 26:32 ping responde 28:30
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[4:29] <pksato> almost two minutes of delay.
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[4:32] <pksato> timestamp issue?
[4:34] <shiftplusone> Probably a silly idea, but since there is no RTC, I would imagine it takes ntp a while to get the time, so there may be some discreptancy as a result... don't think that's the situation, but it's something to look into.
[4:34] <pksato> second test take 33s to ping response.
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[4:35] <shiftplusone> also, network is probably something running int he background that says it's complete before it's actually complete. It may say complete because it has launched a dhcp client. So then there is a delay before it's fully connected.
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[4:36] <pksato> static ip.
[4:37] <GabrialDestruir> I'm curious... how badly would rasbian freak out if you made your sdcard read-only?
[4:37] <shiftplusone> not too much
[4:37] <shiftplusone> you'll be able to boot and run things I think
[4:37] <shiftplusone> arch would boot, but then spam your console with messages about journald
[4:38] <CelticTurnip> aren't the read only switches on sd cards software based? and I'm pretty sure the pi doesn't support them... unless you're talking aboug making the file system read only?
[4:38] <shiftplusone> oh, that too =/
[4:39] <GabrialDestruir> I always assumed it was hardware based... just remove the connection to the write lead or something
[4:39] <shiftplusone> actually raspbian may also take you to a recovery console,not sure.
[4:39] <pksato> start kernel with ro option
[4:40] <shiftplusone> yup, that's what happened with Arch, on qemu it needed to be started with rw, otherwise it would assume ro for some reason.
[4:41] <CelticTurnip> unless you've configured the OS to run with a bunch of ram disks etc it's actually pretty dodgy running any *nix fully read only IME
[4:44] <CelticTurnip> the last time I set it up I had /var and /home on cfcard and they'd be copied in to a mfs at boot, and copied back at shutdown... it was easy enough but not as simple as saying boot OS read only - but ymmv
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir> I was curious, because I was thinking a rPi with a laptop dock + a readonly OS could make a decent privacy system maybe.
[4:44] <pksato> cmdline.txt and fstab configured to use ro rootfs.
[4:44] <pksato> rebooting
[4:45] <pksato> lots of warning about read only fs
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[4:46] <pksato> X11 can't start.
[4:47] <GabrialDestruir> So basically you'd have to configure the entire OS to work without write.
[4:48] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[4:48] <pksato> or to write on another place.
[4:48] <shiftplusone> Wouldn't encryption be the better option, if you don't mind a bit of overhead?
[4:48] <CelticTurnip> if you read what I said above... no, you need to configure mfs (or whatever RAM disks are called in Linux) - personally I've only ever bothered with read only OSes on BSD based routers
[4:49] <CelticTurnip> the machine still needs to be able to log
[4:49] <pksato> ram is most used place, but, rpi have a limited ram.
[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs, right.
[4:50] <CelticTurnip> 256MB/512MB are enough to run an OS read only with MFS, I've done it in less
[4:51] <CelticTurnip> but like I said it's not as simple as setting fstab to read only, you really need to think about it... the OS needs to boot rw, then be scripted to ro, and dump whatever you need to ramdisk
[4:51] <pksato> ssh connect, after some time to network bring up (ntp adjust)
[4:51] <pksato> touch: cannot touch `test': Read-only file system
[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> Interesting.
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[4:54] <pksato> In some system, like a live cd, unionfs or similar are used. basicaly, mount a rw fs on top of ro.
[4:55] <ParkerR_> :D
[4:56] <ParkerR_> PLaying Super Mario Bros NES with a controller
[4:56] <ParkerR_> Sounds a litle slow but still playable
[4:56] <ParkerR_> *Sound's
[4:58] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that was basically was what I'm thinking, something live cd style.
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[5:28] <lunra> Anyone got X11 running on Arch? Just installed lxde, there's no startx and lxdm doesn't seem to do anything
[5:28] <shiftplusone> lunra check the x11 page on the arch wiki
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[5:29] <shiftplusone> arch doesn't make assumptions about what you need, so you need to install a few extra packages.
[5:30] <lunra> hm, well I do have xorg-server
[5:31] <lunra> Just tried running 'Xorg' alone, died with no screens found
[5:31] <lunra> Perhaps driver issues
[5:31] <shiftplusone> no, not at all
[5:31] <shiftplusone> like I said, you need more than just xorg
[5:31] <shiftplusone> install xorg-xinit.
[5:31] <shiftplusone> (as the wiki says)
[5:32] <lunra> *derp*, I must have missed it
[5:32] <lunra> I'm sorry.
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[5:32] <shiftplusone> Nuh, it's a long wiki article and xorg-xinit gets only a bit of a mention.
[5:33] <shiftplusone> (I have derped around with xorg on arch as well, and that took me a while to figure out too)
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[5:35] <lunra> tbh I'm new to arch :P
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[5:54] <lunra> Bah, not having much luck. lxdm gives black screen, lightdm fails to start its greeter and gets in a reboot loop...time to try slim, then gdm, then i give up :>. using fbdev.
[5:55] <shiftplusone> what happens when you 'systemctl start lxdm' ?
[5:56] <lunra> Black screen
[5:56] <shiftplusone> what's in /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf ?
[5:57] <lunra> dw, I shouldn't have said anything because I didn't research the problem
[5:57] <shiftplusone> (session=...)
[5:57] <lunra> I looked at the log file, there was an undefined symbol in one of the libraries loaded
[5:57] <shiftplusone> that doesn't sound good
[5:57] <lunra> If you want, I can type the entirety, but I'm just gonna try slim
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[5:58] <shiftplusone> Nuh, but if you decide to go with lxdm, then https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDM seems like it's worth reading... and they are sure to have one on SLiM too.
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[5:59] <lunra> yep, I'll definitely be reading the wiki from now on :)
[6:00] <lunra> I've always loved the archwiki, even before I tried arch
[6:00] <shiftplusone> The good thing about arch is that they have a wiki page for everything
[6:00] <shiftplusone> and they don't have any special built in arch way of doing things, so it works on all distros =)
[6:01] <shiftplusone> gentoo has a wiki like that, but it seems to have gone down in quality =(
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[6:12] <nerxgas> i just installed raspbnc fresh today, i am trying to use default login and password, but it wont accepts l/p:pi/raspberry
[6:12] <nerxgas> did they change the default login?
[6:13] <ParkerR_> "A: The default username is pi and the default password is raspberry."
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[6:13] <ParkerR_> That should work
[6:13] <nerxgas> shucks...
[6:14] <shiftplusone> add init=/bin/bash to cmdline, reboot, mount everything rw, then change the root password. Remove init=/bin/bash and reboot.
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[6:15] <shiftplusone> that's one way to get around that... the other is to complain to the raspbmc developers about it.
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[6:17] <nerxgas> ah ok i got it
[6:18] <ParkerR_> nerxgas, Did you get in or are you trying his suggested method?
[6:18] <nerxgas> i got in
[6:18] <nerxgas> the login was pi
[6:18] <ParkerR_> What was it?
[6:18] <nerxgas> but i had changed the password
[6:18] <ParkerR_> Haha
[6:19] <shiftplusone> Ah, I assumed it was a fresh install.
[6:20] <nerxgas> well it was mostly fresh
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[6:21] <shiftplusone> Ah, I assumed you'd know if you changed the password on a fresh install. =p
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[6:52] <ParkerR_> Loving the Pi so far. Currently building most of the retroarch modules
[6:54] <home> ParkerR_: congrats, you win 8
[6:54] <ParkerR_> home, Haha
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[7:43] <ParkerR_> Kinda got quiet in here :(
[7:43] * ParkerR_ just now realizes how late it is
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[8:52] <Gottox> good morning :)
[8:53] <Gottox> did one of you guys used the pi for teaching programming at schools?
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[8:53] <Gottox> I plan to do so for a collaborativ project.
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[8:54] <Gottox> How did you manage version controll? SVN?
[8:54] <shiftplusone> it's a tad quiet here around this time, but I am sure there are people here that have... they're just not here right now.
[8:54] <Gottox> It's 9 am here in germany :)
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[8:59] <x29a> Gottox: is the version control something that is covered in the lectures? i would go with git, as you deliver some more aspects than with svn
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[9:03] <Jck_true> Not even sure where the level of educational material is right now :)
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[9:09] <Gottox> x29a: It's no need for teaching version control, but the goal of the lecture is an application which is developed by all pupils.
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[9:10] <Jck_true> Gottox: What age group are you talking about - Seems like an... Optimistic goal...
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[9:11] <Jck_true> Gottox: We can barely sit down two adults at my work and agree on anything....
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[9:11] <Gottox> Jck_true: Yea, it's currently nothing more than an idea. I just wanted to ask if so did a lecture before.
[9:12] <x29a> Jck_true: may not be a representative impression ;(
[9:13] <Jck_true> x29a: well still - I've tried coding with either of my two colleagues - Doing it with a class of 25 teenagers...:|
[9:13] <Jck_true> Where the vast majority won't really know whats going on...
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[9:15] <shiftplusone> Gottox, if you do that, make sure that the 90% of people that expect that someone else will do their work don't screw up the marks of the other 10%
[9:15] <viric> Gottox: I use fossil everywhere for vcs
[9:16] <viric> pretty easy to use, if people are ready to use a bit of cli
[9:16] <Gottox> viric: you're a plan9 guy, aren't you? ;)
[9:16] <Jck_true> mercurial! LOL - But I guess this really aint a question about version control :)
[9:16] <viric> Gottox: plan9? I don't think anyone at plan9 use fossil. Most plan9ers use hg :)
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[9:18] <Jck_true> Great... the current limitor on the lab psu is broken...
[9:18] <Jck_true> Wish i had discovered that 2 minuts ago...
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[9:19] <Jck_true> But agree - If you could really pull it off and let everybody work together on a raspberry project it would be great
[9:19] <Jck_true> Have 5 kids do coding, 5 kids for graphic, Q&A department,
[9:20] <Jck_true> and you can be the angry CEO
[9:20] <viric> human resources, accounting,
[9:20] <Jck_true> Reminds me when we had "candy factory" in 5th grade
[9:21] <Jck_true> Pretty sure we eat more than we sold...
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[9:24] <DMackey> Interesting, NONE of my Raspberry Pis came with a clear case, http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/raspberry-pi-inside-the-pi-factory/6395242?seq=13&tag=content;siu-container#photopaging
[9:26] <Jck_true> DMackey: I guess it's just another thing the foundation "forgot" to tell
[9:26] <DMackey> If I didn't see it there, I would NEVER have missed it. Hmmm
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[9:36] <viric> DMackey: clearcase is quite outdated as vcs
[9:38] <DMackey> My 3 RPis have clear cases, I like to see the guts of electronics
[9:39] <DMackey> This will be here today, https://www.adafruit.com/products/1037
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[9:47] <Jck_true> Screw cases - Velcrotape!
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[9:48] <booyaa> clearcase/vcs ye olde scm?
[9:48] <booyaa> can we add vss to that lol
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[9:51] <Jck_true> booyaa: My workmate keeps complaining he's forced to use that on a project - To make matters worse the installation is locked down - So you have to lock a file in order to modify it - That means problems when somebody goes away for a day and forgets to unlock the file he's editing....
[9:51] <booyaa> yeah exclusive lock ftw!
[9:52] <booyaa> yeah before we moved to tfs (which is ok, but no git) we would have to go up to people to get them to comit/uncomit their code
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[9:52] <Weaselweb> some argue file locking is essential and important in vcs to prevent conflicts...
[9:52] <booyaa> the whole non-exclusive lock thing is freaking out my coworkers, we can enable it but i'm not telling them how
[9:53] <Jck_true> Weaselweb: Well - Untill you have a non techincal person who simply locks everything before opening the project in his IDE ...
[9:53] <booyaa> Jck_true: bingo
[9:53] <booyaa> linux kernel would not have progerssed with out distributed scm
[9:54] <Weaselweb> Jck_true: file locking is actually preventing to develop in parallel which should be one benefit from vcs
[9:54] <Jck_true> Oh they don't have to be distributed...
[9:54] <booyaa> the only exclusivity you want in a modern software cycle is deployment
[9:54] <Jck_true> Weaselweb: Indeed - But it does (in a way) ensure people are absolutly sure about what they commit
[9:54] <booyaa> i really like the github flow where they keep master branch purely for deployment and all other code is in branches
[9:55] <Jck_true> Just tag releases IMHO...
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[9:56] <booyaa> id love to see how amazon do it, i read some stat that they deploy new release every 11s
[9:56] <Weaselweb> Jck_true: branching does that too, which is somewhat ugly in svn
[9:58] <Jck_true> We are only 3 people in this company - and the two of us do 95% of the coding... So I've yet to experience the true horror of source control :)
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[9:59] <Jck_true> (Well partly in a horror case right now figuring out why latest version shows a bug in a module that's been unchanged since the last version :|
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[10:08] <Weaselweb> Jck_true: we have a project with 2-4 developers which is managed in git, which is pretty nice when each one uses his own branch which a single developer (which doesn't need to be same all time) collects those branches when needed
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> morning people of pi!
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[10:58] * neilr is much happier now there's a nice steaming mug of tea on the desk
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[11:01] <lunra> +1
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[11:04] <frogman1984> have you seen "Live of pi" already??
[11:09] * buZz has a nice steaming cup of 'raspi with motorola lapdock' on his desk :DDD
[11:09] * gordonDrogon wonders what "Live of pi" is ...
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> however speaking of Tea, I fancy a coffee...
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[11:10] <egrouse> gross
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[11:12] <BenB> hey. where on element14 can I get the cases? in the sony factory video, I see that they are already packaged with transparent case, but the element14 website says board only and I can't find the case as separate item either. I'm confused.
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[11:16] * frogman1984 slaps gordonDrogon around a bit with a large trout
[11:16] <frogman1984> gordonDrogon: u know the film?
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[11:18] <buZz> ehm, is it correct that glxgears/glxinfo wont work?
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> I obviously don't know the film..
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[11:28] <frogman1984> gordonDrogon: http://www.lifeofpimovie.com/
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[11:29] <Macer> i got my ir port :)
[11:30] <Macer> ir receiver
[11:30] <Macer> and the small wires to connect it to the gpio
[11:30] <Macer> hopeefully i don't fry the board
[11:30] <Macer> someone seriously needs to make cases with the port already installed into the case heh
[11:31] <neilr> business opportunity for you :)
[11:31] <Macer> with wires that you connect to it... similar to the way you connet case LEDs to a PC mboard
[11:31] <Macer> neilr: maybe
[11:31] <Macer> i should contract some chinese sweatshop to make them :)
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[11:59] <buZz> wait so
[11:59] <buZz> is GLX on raspi totally not working?:
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[12:04] <frikinz> Anyone has played with cross comp using scratchbox2 ? Its working ok for compiling my C code and running it. But now I'd like to use perl module Device::BCM2835. So I need some bits from perl for arm. How would I do this? Wonder where sb2 apt-get install perl will put its stuff
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[12:08] <frikinz> I have only played with scratchbox 1 some years ago.
[12:09] <frikinz> Food time. brb
[12:09] <buZz> so, is _anything_ with 3D graphics working on a freshly installed raspbian image?
[12:10] <neilr> I recompiled Elite running the Allegro libraries - dunno if that helps you?
[12:10] <buZz> no, i mean proper 3D, like quake3
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[12:10] <buZz> i am just finding howto's on compiling quake3
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[12:11] <neilr> Oh, dunno. I'm not a programmer - that stuff is way above me.
[12:11] <buZz> i am not asking about programming
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[12:11] <buZz> i am asking about something with elaborate 3D graphics that i can install
[12:12] <buZz> whats the use of a 3D chip, when no program uses it?
[12:13] <buZz> or should i just install some other image than raspbian
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[12:13] <buZz> maybe there is a more 'game' oriented image, with actually working 3D games?
[12:13] <Hodapp> hmmmmm
[12:13] <neilr> http://www.iridiumrising.co.uk
[12:14] <buZz> hiya Hodapp
[12:14] <buZz> ah cool neilr ! ty
[12:14] <Hodapp> howdy buZz
[12:14] <Hodapp> w00t, I got my microSD sniffer and FTDI Basic 3.3 V
[12:14] <Hodapp> now just have to remember what I got them for
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[12:14] <Macer> buZz: xbmc uses it :-P
[12:14] <Macer> lol
[12:15] <neilr> And like I say, here's Elite: http://www.ronketti.org.uk/pilite.png - it also does solid graphics, but I set it to wireframe for nostalgia.
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[12:16] <Hodapp> oh yeah, I played Elite, I think... emulated though, not ported
[12:16] <buZz> Macer: XBMC's screensavers dont work here ...
[12:16] <Macer> haha
[12:16] <Hodapp> can XBMC show Youtube videos?
[12:16] <Macer> buZz: hm. odd. i know the gles plugins for audio playing work
[12:16] <Macer> but the menu itself uses the gles in order to run :)
[12:16] <neilr> You can emulate ZX Spectrum elite in Fuse, or ArcElite with ArcEM on RISC OS if you want to go that way
[12:17] <Hodapp> I'd give my dad a Pi with XBMC on it but once my dad realizes he can watch Youtube on the couch my mom might want to kill him, and me
[12:17] <Hodapp> neilr: you use RISC OS on the Pi?
[12:17] <neilr> Yup
[12:17] <neilr> Using it to type this
[12:17] <Hodapp> I downloaded the image, just need to copy it and try it
[12:17] <neilr> Fast
[12:18] <neilr> Not as much free software as linux
[12:18] <Hodapp> well, yeah
[12:18] <neilr> but as a desktop, it's perfect for the Pi
[12:19] <Hodapp> I have riscos-2012-11-01-RC6.zip, just need to unzip and dd to a card
[12:19] <buZz> oooo cool, think i just crashed the raspi in Iridium :D
[12:19] <neilr> Give it a whizz. It takes a bit of getting used to, but I'm totally converted to it for desktop stuff now.
[12:20] <Hodapp> other silly question - if I dd this 2 GB image to a 4 GB card, can I reclaim the rest later?
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[12:20] <buZz> Hodapp: some images do dynamic repartitioning on boot
[12:21] <neilr> Yeah - format it as FAT32 and you can mount it using Fat32FS to make it available to RISC OS
[12:21] <Hodapp> okay
[12:21] <neilr> You can't expand the root filestystem though, like you do with raspi-config
[12:21] <Hodapp> what's RISC OS's basic filesystem?
[12:21] <Hodapp> RISC FS? :P
[12:22] <buZz> RISKY
[12:22] <buZz> :P
[12:22] <Hodapp> 9_9
[12:22] <buZz> no, j/k
[12:22] <neilr> I think it's called ADFS
[12:22] <buZz> i have no idea
[12:22] <neilr> RISC OS refers to it as Filecore
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[12:24] <Hodapp> dd-ing image now.... may take awhile...
[12:28] <artag> i think filecore is the file-access redirection. multiple filesystems are supported under it, such as ADFS for the native one, dosfs for dos, sparkfs for compressed files etc
[12:29] <Draylor> ah adfs, yup that rings a bell
[12:29] <neilr> Ah! Thank you :) I was wondering exactly what Filecore meant.
[12:29] <neilr> SparkFS is included in the Pi image, as is dosfs for the boot sector.
[12:29] <neilr> fat32fs needs to be installed on top
[12:30] <artag> it may be more complex, i vaguely recall that filesystems were divided into filecore-filesystems and others, where only some took advantage of filecore commonality
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[13:24] <ParkerR_> Might as well ask in here too.
[13:24] <ParkerR_> Ok so after running https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup I now get this on boot http://withg.org/parkerlreed/failure.png (I can switch to other ttys and it works). This forum page http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=18798 suggests that it is because of a bad SD card, but this card has been working fine. Just now getting the error after that RetroPie script. Is there anything else that could be causing it?
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[14:19] <dddbmt> I just attempted to write a SD card but do not have the PI around to test on... Can anyone tell me if this looks correct? https://gist.github.com/d27c453b48247cee7373
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[14:20] <nid0> yep
[14:20] <dddbmt> nid0, to me?
[14:20] <nid0> dddbmt: yep
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[14:20] <dddbmt> nid0, cool - and thanks :)
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[14:29] <Macer> alrighty
[14:29] <Macer> testing out this ir receiver i have hooked up to the gpio now
[14:29] <Macer> :)
[14:29] <Macer> FINGERS CROSSED
[14:29] <Macer> not working :-/
[14:31] <Caleb> awww
[14:34] <Macer> damnit
[14:34] <Macer> trying to read up on WHY it's not working
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[14:35] <Muzer> oops
[14:35] <Muzer> I swear I'm addicted to installing OSes onto my Raspberry Pi :p
[14:36] <Macer> oh. i guess i need a new kernel
[14:37] <Macer> http://openelec.tv/forum/124-raspberry-pi/51887-raspberry-pi-gpio-ir-receiver-with-openelec-compilation-patches-and-snapshot#51887
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[14:45] <StevenR> so, dad has bought himself a Pi and a case... What else does he need? So far, I've got PSU, HDMI-VGA converter (the proper active kind), HDMI cable and SD card.
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[14:49] <Armand|AFK> StevenR, keyboard and mouse? ;)
[14:49] <Muzer> StevenR: depending on what he wants to use it for, a keyboard and mouse could come in handy
[14:49] <Muzer> ;)
[14:49] <Armand|AFK> lol
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[14:49] <Muzer> and a network cable if he wants wired internets
[14:49] <Armand> Ahhh, yes.. that too.
[14:50] <Muzer> (or a USB wifi dongle that is reasonably compatible with Linux if he wants wireless)
[14:50] <StevenR> cool. Got all of that already
[14:50] <moopet> my wifi dongle cost ??1.49 on ebay including shipping and worked out the box, fwiw
[14:51] <Disconnect> usb hub
[14:51] <Disconnect> and usb storage if he wants to do any overclocking
[14:51] <Muzer> those. Well, a hub isn't required if you only need a keyboard and mouse and no other USB devices
[14:52] <Muzer> but I'm sure there will be some point where you think "hmm, I wish I had an extra USB port" (for a flash drive or whatever)
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[14:52] <SpeedEvil> also, many USB devices won't work without a powered hub
[14:52] <Muzer> that ^
[14:53] <Muzer> the Pi can't provide much current through its ports AFAIK
[14:53] * StevenR nods
[14:53] <Armand> Mine is headless, so... meh. :P
[14:54] <Muzer> heh
[14:54] <Muzer> mine has a whole load of obscure OSes on it :P
[14:54] <moopet> oh, does anyone have any usb audio recommendations?
[14:54] * moopet has some old usb headphones he was going to cannibalise but they don't seem to work on the pi
[14:55] <Muzer> anything that works in Linux, I would expect it shouldn't be too hard to find if any given device works
[14:55] <Muzer> (google)
[14:55] <Armand> The only recommendation I can seriously make, is to avoid USB audio. :(
[14:55] <moopet> well my phones work on my laptop and desktop but not on the pi, eben with a powered hub
[14:56] <Armand> Sure, if they work for you on something.. ;)
[14:56] <Armand> But, I'd never buy USB audio.. it's typically awful.
[14:56] <moopet> the alternatives are the 3.5mm jack which is only 11-bit or a converted from HDMI audio, though, both of which are not what i really want
[14:56] <Armand> Besides that.. I can never see the need when most PCs have onboard audio to 3.5mm or digital.
[14:57] <moopet> ... because the pi only has 11bits out of the DAC
[14:57] <Armand> Ahhh...
[14:57] <Armand> :(
[14:57] <moopet> to be fair I've not tried it, but I expect it to be a bit weak. Aparently it also picks up a lot of interference easily
[14:57] <moopet> and I'm mounting it inside an old valve radio
[14:58] <StevenR> thanks folks, good to know we've got all the addon parts between us :)
[14:58] <Armand> I doubt I'll ever use the sound on Pi.
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> I want to add sound into my basic, but who knows what form it might take... one day I'll look it up...
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[15:10] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I don't even remember how sound worked in the old C64 - I jsut remember how awefull it was
[15:10] <Hodapp> huh, I just now saw that the Pi includes a DSI connector.
[15:10] <moopet> really? C64 sound was the envy of Spectrum users
[15:10] <neilr> On the C64? You POKEd the SID chip
[15:11] <neilr> The only one of those kind of things I remember now is POKE36879 on the VIC-20 to set the screen colours
[15:12] * Hodapp calmly walks by and sweeps up the nostalgia neilr got all over the floor.
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[15:14] <neilr> heh. No, I'm not nostalgic for 'those' days. Just remember odd little bits here and there. That said, playing with BASIC on RISC OS has rekindled some old memories.
[15:14] <Hodapp> OH MY GAWD, RISC OS HAS BASIC?
[15:14] * Hodapp covers everything in nostalgia
[15:14] <neilr> Yup. BBC BASIC
[15:14] <Hodapp> I never used BBC BASIC. I used MS BASIC on DOS.
[15:14] <viric> That's what the latest advances in technology decided to bring: the 80s
[15:14] <Hodapp> qbasic particularly.
[15:14] <neilr> I've been using it to control a Gertboard and use an LCD display on the GPIO pins
[15:15] <Hodapp> neat
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[15:17] <neilr> gcc also installs and works nicely on RISC OS, and I've just installed Acorn C/C++ to have a play with that.
[15:17] <Hodapp> I didn't know GCC ran there...
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/ ;-
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> )
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> not sure I really have the resources to get back up to speed on riscos again. My worlds been more or less Linux for the past unpty years..
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[15:22] <Disconnect> riscos looked neat but the sd firmware bugs meant i didn't have enough cards to mess with it. (and when i got enough, my "screwing around" pi died..)
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> oops.
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I have spare SD cards... but not much spare time ...
[15:22] <viric> does any of you have a working wireless usb nic, with wpa_supplicant?
[15:23] <viric> last time I tried, I got lots of "frame size" problems
[15:23] <viric> - only after some minutes using it well
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[15:23] <Disconnect> yah. i have a couple of really nice "supported" class 10 16G cards that blow up on sustained (or maybe its positional) writes. riscos won't boot, and raspbian/raspbmc/etc work until you resize the partitions or install packages
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[15:24] * Disconnect is wired for now (if i do the time/temp/caller-id/etc thing for the wife i'll have wireless, but thats a ways away)
[15:24] <viric> Disconnect: by 'screwing around', you mean screwing screws?
[15:24] * Disconnect is hoping for the display plug to get enabled first
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[15:24] <Disconnect> viric: i mean non-primary uses like riscos, fiddling with gpio, lcd panels, etc.
[15:25] <viric> ah ok
[15:25] <Disconnect> 1 is raspbmc media center, 1 is "general purpose" home server (ssh termination, vpn, downloads, hopefully fileserver) and 1 is whatever else
[15:25] <Hodapp> I read "non-primary uses like riscos" as "racist uses".
[15:25] * Hodapp rubs eyes
[15:26] <Disconnect> might be time for coffee
[15:26] <Disconnect> preferably irish-style :)
[15:27] <BurtyB> might have been too many already ;)
[15:28] <Disconnect> no such thing
[15:30] <Muzer> get a multi-boot setup! It's fun.
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[15:40] <Hodapp> Muzer: multi-booting what?
[15:40] <Hodapp> Disconnect: Irish-style, as in with whisky and Bailey's? :)
[15:40] <Muzer> I have raspbian, RISC OS, Plan 9 and Android dual-booting (well, quad-booting :P)
[15:40] <Muzer> with a horribly hacky custom setup
[15:40] <viric> Damn ARM
[15:40] <Hodapp> Muzer: I'd be interested in how you accomplished this.
[15:40] <Muzer> it's very hacky, prepare to vomit
[15:40] <viric> I've a static 'gunzip' that runs perfectly on armv5tel, and gives 'crc error' in armv6l
[15:41] <feeshon> I seconde that hodapp
[15:41] <viric> same binary.
[15:41] <Hodapp> Muzer: I am already getting over the flu...
[15:41] <Muzer> boot menu is a Linux binary ran as init, it moves config files about on the FAT partition
[15:41] <Hodapp> O__O
[15:41] <Muzer> then each OS has to move the config files for the boot menu back on boot
[15:41] <Muzer> horribly hacky, but it works surprisingly well
[15:41] <Hodapp> sir, that is very hacky. I might just vomit.
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[15:42] <neilr> Pi RISC OS comes with a !BootLinux utility that means you can put Raspbian on the SD card, and reboot into it whenever you want. Not tried it yet.
[15:42] <Muzer> yeah, it's the same thing pretty much
[15:42] <Muzer> it just moves config files about
[15:42] <Muzer> but you have to have a similar program in Linux to do this
[15:42] <Hodapp> then how do you get it back to RISC OS?
[15:43] <Muzer> having a similar program in Linux to move RISC OS back ;)
[15:43] <Hodapp> hrm, could uboot or something provide a boot menu?
[15:43] <Muzer> but nobody's written one AFAIK, and it doesn't give you a choice every boot
[15:43] <Muzer> I couldn't find any interactive options in uBoot
[15:43] <Muzer> I did look at that as a potential solution first
[15:43] <neilr> No, it's not the same - you create a 'hybrid' image with dd to put both operating systems in the same image. !BootLinux then messes around with a pointer
[15:43] <neilr> I'll try and dig something up
[15:44] <Muzer> neilr: really? Someone else just told me it moves the config files about.
[15:44] <Muzer> a hybrid image sounds even more hacky than my way...
[15:44] <Muzer> at least my way is simple!
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[15:44] <neilr> https://github.com/caliston/ro-bootlinux
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[15:45] <neilr> like I say, I've not tried it, so can't say how useful it is
[15:46] <Muzer> wow
[15:46] <Muzer> that's horrible
[15:48] <neilr> heh. I may have to give it a whizz now you've said that :)
[15:48] <neilr> (on a spare SD card...)
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> I winder if it's just easier to have one image per SD card...
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[15:50] <neilr> I think it probably is
[15:51] <neilr> at least until a spectacuarly ham-fisted bit of swapping snaps off the SD slot
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[15:53] <Disconnect> Hodapp: (was afk, meetings) yah although i do whiskey, lots of sugar and some whipped cream instead of baileys. more room for whiskey that way ;)
[15:53] <Hodapp> hah
[15:53] <Muzer> but yeah. WRT what I found with partitioning: Linux-based things (including Android) will boot off any partition but have to be configured to do so (in cmdline.txt and fstab (/init.rc for Android) for any additional partitions). RISC OS has to have its own very special partition arrangement, so if you're using RISC OS as one of your OSes it's imperative you start with that image and don't modify the first two partitions
[15:53] <Muzer> (FAT and RISC OS). Plan 9 is actually the nicest; it automatically detects its partition, even in logical partitions, and boots from it.
[15:53] <Hodapp> Muzer: Linux will boot off of anything, but I've gone through hell configuring the boot loader to actually pass control to it properly... that's very nice with Plan 9 though
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[15:54] <Hodapp> (not cmdline.txt, GRUB and such)
[15:54] <Muzer> ah yeah :P
[15:54] <Muzer> yeah, it's annoying you can't use UUIDs without a ramdisk
[15:54] <Muzer> er, an initramfs that is
[15:54] <Hodapp> you can't?
[15:55] <Muzer> I don't think so, I read that in multiple places
[15:55] <Muzer> I never tried it
[15:55] <Disconnect> AFAIK that is correct, the uuids aren't populated until the plugd gets going or some such
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[15:55] <Muzer> yeah, I don't bother with initrd or initramfs (whichever one is used nowadays, I can't remember which one is the deprecated one :P)
[15:56] <Muzer> but that does mean if I'm recovering someone's HDD I have to wrestle with grub
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[15:56] <Disconnect> initrd + busybox is epic. saves burning a sysresccd
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[15:58] <Muzer> if that happens, I probably have enough stale filesystems from my previous distros hanging around I could get something together that boots :p
[15:58] <Muzer> I actually nowadays have entirely forgotten which partitions are on which HDDs
[15:59] <Muzer> so if one fails, I honestly have no idea what will still work :P
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[16:02] <Hodapp> One use case I have never figured out how to solve with GRUB is that of: /dev/hda boots. It needs to be copied to /dev/hdb such that I can remove /dev/hda and move /dev/hdb to become the new /dev/hda.
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[16:03] <Muzer> huh, what?
[16:03] <Muzer> also, /dev/sda nowadays :p
[16:03] <Hodapp> this was a really common use case for when I'd be migrating a Linux install to another drive, but one where I couldn't just 'dd' the whole drive due to size differences or something
[16:03] <Patagonicus> Hodapp: I'd make a full copy of hda to hdb (why do you still have hda?), then swap, then install grub again
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[16:03] <Hodapp> Patagonicus: Install GRUB how?
[16:04] <Patagonicus> Hodapp: Start grub, then root (hd0,x); setup (hd0)
[16:04] <Hodapp> Patagonicus: How do you propose I start GRUB if I'm in need of having to install it again?
[16:05] <Patagonicus> Best would be from the system you want to boot, so mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/foo (with hda being the new), mount --rbind /dev /mnt/foo/dev; mount -t proc proc /mnt/foo/proc; mount /dev/hdaY /mnt/foo/boot; chroot /mnt/foo /bin/bash and you can work with your installed Linux. As long as the kernel version aren't too different.
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[16:06] <Hodapp> If it's a case where I can make a full copy, then it will already boot and I need not install GRUB again. The case I'm talking about is that in which I cannot just dd from one drive to another.
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[16:07] <Hodapp> and then no amount of chrooting will solve the fact that the device map GRUB installs with differs from the device map I want it to boot under.
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> have to say, I've stuck with lilo all these years...
[16:10] <Hodapp> I don't know that LILO would fare any better in this situation.
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[16:15] <Patagonicus> Hodapp: http://pastie.org/5479214 This will work, I have done it a few times already. I'm not even sure you need to swap them in step 1, I think it should work without. You can also use a device map (which is just a text file containing lines like "(hd0) /dev/hdb") if it doesn't work
[16:17] <Hodapp> Patagonicus: So there is no way to do it just from the old drive?
[16:18] <Patagonicus> You want to clone the system while it's running?
[16:19] <frikinz> normally you can simply plug new disk, copy data, chroot in it and use grub-install (making sure about the device map)
[16:20] <frikinz> then probably dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-foo so that grub.cfg gets updated. also fstab to change UUID
[16:21] <Hodapp> I'd had it bitch at me several times about the device map not matching up properly when trying to install
[16:21] <Hodapp> kind of a moot point since anymore I have live discs at my disposal
[16:22] <Hodapp> hmmm, for something like the RPi, I wonder how much work an interactive bootloader would involve
[16:23] <Hodapp> and whether it would have any real point when most folks would just as easily swap out several SD cards
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[16:26] <neilr> If I had a decent KVM switch I'd probably just have three or four pis, rather than swapping cards all the time.
[16:27] <frikinz> its possible to have / on nfs root I guess?
[16:30] <nid0> yep
[16:30] <nid0> nfs root is very easy to setup
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[16:31] <Muzer> I expect it would need an initramfs? Or would it? Not sure how much the kernel/network card firmware can do in the way of configuring itself before boot
[16:32] <nid0> no, nfs root can be setup directly in the bootloader switches in cmdline.txt
[16:32] <nid0> iscsi/sshfs root requires an initramfs though
[16:33] <Muzer> oh nice
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[16:33] <Muzer> how does that work?
[16:34] <Muzer> does it do DHCP?
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[16:36] <Patagonicus> Muzer: You can pass the kernel an IP on the commandline, together with an NFS share to mount as /. DHCP may be possible, I'm not sure about that.
[16:36] <Muzer> ah, cool
[16:36] <Muzer> I doubt DHCP would work
[16:36] <Muzer> because the kernel would have to implement it
[16:37] <Disconnect> anyone happen to have encryption benchmarks lying around? setting up my ecryptfs and I want to balance decent security with performance. i know hardfloat helps immensely with non-blowfish crypt but beyond that..
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[16:38] <thomas_sch> has anyone written a tool yet to transcode videos to h.264?
[16:38] <Patagonicus> Disconnect: With aes-xts-plain on luks I get 5MB/s write speed (with 1GHz).
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[16:39] <Patagonicus> thomas_sch: Uhm, yeah, it's called x264. Or Handbrake if you want some sutuff around it and maybe a GUI.
[16:39] <thomas_sch> Patagonicus: does it use the raspberry pi hardware?
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[16:40] <Patagonicus> Oh, you mean hardware acceleration on the Pi? I doubt that.
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[16:40] <thomas_sch> Patagonicus: sure ^^ that's too bad
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[16:41] <Disconnect> hmm. openssl speed is giving me 16M/s on blowfish and almost that much on aes-cbc (
[16:41] <Disconnect> http://pastebin.ca/2289340
[16:41] <Disconnect> des is right out though
[16:41] <thomas_sch> Patagonicus: do you maybe know why flv support was completly stripped out of the pi xbmc version even thought the cpu should be fast enough to play most videos?
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[16:42] * Disconnect is checking decrypt speeds just for S&G
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[16:43] <Patagonicus> thomas_sch: No, no idea. I haven't gotten around to installing it.
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[16:43] <thomas_sch> too bad the guys in the raspbmc channel had no clue either^^
[16:44] <thomas_sch> either way thank you cya
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[16:47] <mwcampbell> How common is it to use the Raspberry Pi board without putting it in a case?
[16:48] <Muzer> I would expect common for the people interested in the more electronicsy side of things
[16:48] <Muzer> but you have to be careful it's not going to fall on anything conductive and short.
[16:48] <artag> i don't use a case, and when I need one it will house more than the board so I wouldn't want a small case
[16:49] <Muzer> yes, and people who want to extend their hardware.
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[16:52] <Armand> I bought mine with case.
[16:52] <buZz> mwcampbell: i find it common for ppl around me to ask me to print them a raspi case ;)
[16:52] <Armand> buZz, 3D printer ?
[16:53] <buZz> yez
[16:53] <Armand> Nice. :)
[16:53] <Armand> I would't mind a printed case. :D
[16:53] <buZz> of course ;)
[16:53] <buZz> do you live in .nl?
[16:53] <Armand> UK
[16:53] <Armand> London, specifically.
[16:53] <buZz> better find someone in .uk with a printer then ;)
[16:54] <buZz> #reprap , just ask around a bit
[16:54] <Armand> I know a few, but I don't really need a case. :P
[16:54] <buZz> sure ;)
[16:54] <Armand> I have the black modmypi case.. it's quite good.
[16:54] <neilr> I have a couple of those - they work pretty well
[16:54] <neilr> once you cut a slot to get to the GPIO pins that is
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[16:55] <Armand> This one has the cut-out.. the push-out type.
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[16:55] <Armand> It's the lastest design, for the newer model B.
[16:56] <mwcampbell> Is it safe to use the Pi with the board sitting on a desk?
[16:56] <neilr> ah, right, I got a couple of the early ones. They've been really good.
[16:56] <neilr> Yeah, it'll be fine on a desk
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[16:56] <neilr> unless the desk is metal that is, I guess
[16:57] <Armand> lol
[16:57] <viric> damnit! libcofi_rpi!
[16:57] <viric> removing it from the preload, my gzip does not give "crc error" anymore
[16:57] <viric> this raspbian is full of tricks
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[16:58] <Armand> neilr, https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases/single-colour/clear-raspberry-pi-case
[16:59] <Armand> If you look at image 1, you can see how they've done the GPIO port.
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[17:00] <neilr> heh. I would do, but the site craps out in NetSurf :-/
[17:00] <Armand> :(
[17:00] <Armand> I was thinking about getting the "clear" case, but it's kinda smokey. :(
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[17:01] <neilr> Ah, yeah, I see the pop-out panel now
[17:02] <neilr> still need to hack it with a saw if you want to use a Gertboard though, as the ribbon cable comes out at 90 degrees from the connector
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[17:03] <InControl> Even worse if you want a new assembled gertboard it hangs off the edge of the pi like a bus over a cliff edge
[17:03] <Armand> O_O
[17:03] <Armand> I've barely looked at the gertboard, no use for it.
[17:04] <neilr> Well, I've got no *use* for it. Still fun to play with though :)
[17:04] <Armand> Sure. :)
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[17:06] <frikinz> nfsroot looks nice. yes the initramfs probably has a dhcp client
[17:08] <Disconnect> Armand: i got a clear case from mcm that is properly clear, lemme get the link
[17:08] <Armand> Coolies. :)
[17:08] <Disconnect> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14271
[17:08] <Disconnect> remind me tomorrow i'll take a pic for you
[17:08] * Disconnect won't remember tonight
[17:09] <frikinz> Drinking party planned? :)
[17:09] <frikinz> or simply volatile memory
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[17:09] <Disconnect> no but i just don't think of that sort of thing after work. tomorrow i'll be home all day so i can just go do it
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[17:12] <somechineseguy> Anyone here?
[17:12] <moopet> yes
[17:12] <frikinz> I wish webiopi code was more commented. I'm thinking of redoing the same "framework" just not in python which I don't know
[17:12] <moopet> people are always here
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[17:13] <_yac_> frikinz: isn't there always a drinking party planned?
[17:13] <somechineseguy> So, quick question, the only thing I found was something from August, so I'm not sure if it has been patched or not. Is RPI capable of of supporting the Sabnzbd suite and streaming it to another RPI over WIFI?
[17:14] <frikinz> _yac_: always! :) life is a party! well no I have to wake up early tomorrow to do manual work :/
[17:14] <mwcampbell> Is there any danger of breaking the board simply by gently feeling around it? (I'm quite inexperienced with naked circuit boards.)
[17:15] <mwcampbell> Naturally my hands are clean and dry
[17:15] <neilr> mwcampbell: there's a fragile capacitor near the power input, but from what I gather, the pi works pretty well without it anyway...
[17:15] <rTiGd2> somechineseguy: That's a binary news group grabber in python isn't it? If so, then most likely.. As for the second, you can NFS between the two and that'll work over WiFi
[17:15] <frikinz> I'm currently testing the gpio by putting my fat fingers on them
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[17:20] <somechineseguy> rTiGd2: Do think the speeds will be sufficient to stream 720p 1080p content?
[17:20] <Armand> Disconnect, that looks ok. :)
[17:20] <rTiGd2> 720 easily. 1080 would depend on your wireless speed and the maximum bitrate of the encoding.
[17:21] <rTiGd2> Taking into account that really busy scnenes take the bitrate up massively
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[17:24] <mwcampbell> Anyone know if the USB charger that comes with the iPhone will work with the Raspberry Pi?
[17:25] <viric> if it provides more than 700mA, and it plugs in, could be.
[17:25] <mwcampbell> work as a power supply I mean
[17:25] <Armand> mwcampbell, mine does.. it's the newer 1A charger for the 3G.
[17:25] <rTiGd2> Providing you've got a cable that doesn't drop much current, yes.
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[17:26] <mwcampbell> hmm, should probably order a power supply and cable specifically for the Pi, just to be safe
[17:26] <viric> does that exist?
[17:26] <viric> mwcampbell: check its output current. I've a very cheap psu that works fine
[17:27] <rTiGd2> Even the iPad 3 charger isn't sufficient with most cables.
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[17:28] <Nahledge> Somebody told me there is a 1channel plugin for raspbmc, he said he installed it via fusion, now he is offline, wat does tat mean via fusion?
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[17:29] <Disconnect> hmm. has anyone looked at offloading crypto onto the gpu?
[17:30] <viric> how would non-broadcom developers try to do that?
[17:30] <Disconnect> opencl maybe
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[17:30] <viric> I didn't know there was such api in the pi
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> open cl is not available
[17:30] <shiftplusone> =)
[17:30] <shiftplusone> there's a way
[17:30] <viric> that makes more sense.
[17:31] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/VideoCore-Kernels-under-Linux
[17:32] <viric> reveng
[17:32] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/VideoCore-IV-Programmers-Manual
[17:32] <Disconnect> well eventually i'll get http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone so it can be offloaded there instead :)
[17:32] <rTiGd2> Given the gpu doesn't really have that many cores is it worth it?
[17:33] <viric> Disconnect: the sheevaplug has a crypto device
[17:34] <Disconnect> softfloat tho
[17:34] <viric> but offloading userland ciphering isn't of much help.
[17:34] <viric> what do you need floating point for? :)
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[17:35] <frikinz> Interesting links!
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[17:36] <Disconnect> viric: offloading userland is a huge help for encfs, ssh, openvpn, etc (all of which can use openssl. well, don't recall of ssh can but the others)
[17:36] <viric> I know
[17:36] <viric> But the user-kernel layers make it a bit slow, at least in the sheevaplug.
[17:36] <viric> (for what I tried)
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[17:52] <Armand> Disconnect, http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/DISTRIBUTED-BY-MCM-PI-PLATE-MCM-/83-14422
[17:53] <Disconnect> i haven't seen a vesa-capable tv/monitor that doesn't use those mounts for the stand but ok..
[17:54] <Armand> I like it.. do want. :)
[17:54] <nid0> most dont
[17:54] <Armand> But, for what it will cost to get me one to the UK.. I could make one cheaper. :P
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[17:55] <petern_> looks a bit exposed
[17:56] <Disconnect> 3 of the 4 monitors on my desk use the vesa screws for their stands (the 4th doesn't have them at all afaict - dell) and my home tv does as well. (well.. it did. now it uses them to hold itself to the wall :) ..)
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[17:56] <rTiGd2> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PCSL-Brand-Raspberry-Standard-Delivery/dp/B008LJUSUO
[17:56] <Armand> Oohhh, I get you, Disconnect..
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[17:57] <Disconnect> yah. the 4 screws on the back are the 'vesa mount' and if they are in use, that case won't bolt on
[17:57] <Armand> Mine all have lower base mounts.
[17:57] <Armand> The VESA mounts are free.
[17:57] <nid0> it obv depends on the screen, but most displays on their own stands mount separately leaving the vesa screws available
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[17:58] <Disconnect> http://www.cableorganizer.com/velcro-adhesive/
[17:58] <Disconnect> works with any display
[17:58] <Armand> hell no, velcro. :P
[17:59] <rTiGd2> Duct Tape ;-)
[17:59] <Armand> harhar
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[17:59] <nid0> I used to have a monitor hung from wires in the ceiling, no stand at all on that!
[17:59] <egrouse> hxc
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[18:05] <Armand> I want an LCD for my Pi..
[18:06] <[SkG]> Buy it.
[18:07] <Armand> Thinking about it.. got to sort out some monies.
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[18:17] <pksato> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Convert-a-Laptop-LCD-into-an-External-Monit/#intro
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[18:19] <Armand> That's actually useful, pksato... I've got a junker laptop here. ^_^
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[18:20] <Armand> Looks like a 15" screen.
[18:20] <Benighted> Just curious, anyone try installing geexbox yet on pi?
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[18:22] <pksato> Last week I buy a used 15" monitor for $24, control board kit cost ~$40.
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[18:23] <Armand> Certainly more than I would like to spend.
[18:23] <Armand> I gotta walk the mutt.. brb. -_-
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[19:09] <Disconnect> awesome mcm is cross-shipping my replacement pi :)
[19:09] <Disconnect> guess its not a huge risk ($35) but still, unexpected
[19:11] <ParkerR_> :/ Still haven't found out why my Pi is doing this http://withg.org/parkerlreed/failure.png
[19:12] <ParkerR_> I can switch to tty1-6 and still use the Pi. Just annoying that the tty it loads to is messing up
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[19:16] <ParkerR_> *2-6
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[19:17] <ParkerR_> I even looked at /etc/inittab and didn't see anything out of the ordinary
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[19:18] <ParkerR_> Gaah
[19:18] <ParkerR_> So retropie did edit my inittab https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup/blob/master/retropie_setup.sh
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[19:23] <ParkerR_> Weird thing is I didn't tell it to set emulationstation to run at startup
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[19:27] <mhz> hi all
[19:27] <ParkerR_> Woohoo got it fixed
[19:28] <ParkerR_> Just changed the tty1 line in inittab to look like the example right above it
[19:28] <ParkerR_> Something had changed it
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[20:43] <exobuzz> hi
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> evening...
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[20:59] <Nachtengel> Hello.
[20:59] <exobuzz> any zx spectrum fans who would like to test an emulator port? still wip but improving http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=23923
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[21:07] <Gremlyn> nice, got the RPi booting with a Monoprice 7-port powered USB hub and it has better voltage than the straight wall charger (measured at TP1/TP2)
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[21:12] <Nachtengel> Forgive me for sounding like a newb, but I am. Are you powering the pi from the hub?
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[21:14] <Gremlyn> Nachtengel, yep
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[21:15] <Gremlyn> seems to be working quite well too
[21:15] <Nachtengel> Which means the hub powers the pi and the USB devices? Nice.
[21:15] <Gremlyn> yeah
[21:16] <Disconnect> Gremlyn: that was my experience with a 7-port hub. netgear i think, listed on the wiki
[21:16] <Nachtengel> USB to micro USB power port then?
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[21:16] <Disconnect> yep plugs in just like any other device
[21:17] <jelly1> time to try raspbmc ;)
[21:18] <Gremlyn> Nachtengel, I bought a 1.5ft gold plated usb to micro usb to power it from the hub when I bought the hub itself
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[21:18] <Gremlyn> someone should invent a case for the pi the integrates a powered USB hub
[21:18] <Gremlyn> pi is definitely running smoother now too
[21:18] <Nachtengel> So does the hub get connected to the pi twice?
[21:18] <Disconnect> yes
[21:18] <jelly1> I hope outputtuing to tuple works fine
[21:18] <Gremlyn> getting an appropriate frame rate in XBMC's menu (24-28 fps) instead of the 15 I was seeing before
[21:18] <Disconnect> client (power only of course) and host
[21:19] <Nachtengel> Oh, I get it now.
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[21:20] <jelly1> woot raspbmc started :)
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[21:20] <jelly1> i forgot to attach my usb keyboard though
[21:20] <Nachtengel> So, if I found a USB battery pack that could power the hub, I'm wire free right?
[21:20] <Disconnect> can plug it in now
[21:21] <jelly1> Disconnect: sure :)
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[21:21] <jelly1> i hope raspbmc comes with the new beta 2 of xbmc
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[21:23] <aforemny> What's the difference between armv6j and armv6l?
[21:23] <Disconnect> +2
[21:24] <jelly1> i bet they are differenct arch's
[21:24] <jelly1> aforemny: this is a question for archlinuxarm?
[21:24] <Dayofswords> I have a question, I have mobel B(r2) and a 5v .5A, 5v .85A and a .5v 1A chargers, which one is the best to use?
[21:24] <Dayofswords> which charger that is.
[21:24] <Disconnect> .5v?
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[21:24] <Dayofswords> they are all 5volt
[21:24] <dipstick> 1a
[21:25] <Disconnect> you want at least 750mA (.75A) but beyond that it depends on the quality of the charger. some drop dramatically when the load goes up, some don't.
[21:25] <aforemny> jelly1: Where can I read up what architectures exist and which one the RPi belongs to? I'm just wondering, because Raspbian uses armv6l and Gentoo uses armv6j.
[21:25] <jelly1> hmm
[21:25] <Disconnect> aforemny: did you try google?
[21:25] <aforemny> Disconnect: I did. : )
[21:25] <jelly1> gentoo is nuts so :P
[21:25] <rTiGd2> Well Raspbian is for the RPi - So guess what architecture you need ;-)
[21:25] <Disconnect> and since google has zero results for "armv4j" I suspect you found a typo somewhere
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[21:26] <Disconnect> oh v6l v6j that was dumb :) i found a typo
[21:26] <aforemny> : D
[21:26] <jelly1> Jazelle DBX (Direct Bytecode eXecution) is a technique that allows Java Bytecode to be executed directly in the ARM architecture as a third execution state (and instruction set) alongside the existing ARM and Thumb-mode. Support for this state is signified by the "J" in the ARMv5TEJ architecture,
[21:26] <aforemny> Results for both, but not too helpful.
[21:26] <jelly1> its something the cpu supports or not
[21:27] <jelly1> sadly the pi doenst support much cpu stuff like DSP
[21:27] <jelly1> iirc
[21:27] <Dayofswords> Disconnect: my .85A and 1A are should be decent quality(one's a Nook charger and the other a HTC-branded charger)
[21:27] <jelly1> ohwai
[21:27] <jelly1> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=15474
[21:27] <jelly1> damn broadcom
[21:27] <Disconnect> Dayofswords: so one is free with a cheap e-reader and one is free with a subsidized battery-powered phone? ..ok..
[21:28] <rTiGd2> It's amazing how much I learn by Googling other people's questions ;-)
[21:28] <Disconnect> Dayofswords: just try the 1A, if you have stability issues under load try the other one..
[21:28] <aforemny> jelly1: So I should use -j or -l? Or is there -jl/lj or sth.?
[21:28] <jelly1> aforemny: no
[21:28] <jelly1> raspbmc is for the raspberrypi ofcourse
[21:28] <Nachtengel> And this channel just went right over my head. What am I getting myself into? Lol
[21:29] <rTiGd2> Also the usb lead is just as important. You could have 2A on a poor cable and get nowhere.
[21:29] <aforemny> That Gentoo wiki article is, too. And I wonder if I can chose and what would be the benefit / downside.
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[21:29] <rTiGd2> Nachtengel It all makes sense after a while. Just pick out the information you need and the rest sinks in.
[21:29] <jelly1> i woudlnt use gentoo on pi though
[21:29] <aforemny> jelly1: One could assume the Raspbian OS is more conservative than Gentoo or sth. so they prefer -l over -j. But I'd like to find out what I'd prefer.
[21:30] <jelly1> i dont think it can be -j or -l
[21:30] <jelly1> ARM1176JZF-S (armv6k)
[21:30] <jelly1> the wonderful world of arm
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[21:30] <aforemny> jelly1: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi This is out-dated and I should use -l?
[21:30] <jelly1> aforemny: now find out what thell armv6k is :P
[21:30] <Nachtengel> I'm going to try to spend a lot of time here. Something is bound to stick lol
[21:31] <jelly1> aforemny: dont take my words for granted
[21:31] <rTiGd2> I'm actually using Adafruit's distro as it's got some hardware hacking stuff in and I've found it to be excellent.
[21:31] <jelly1> i'm using archlinuxarm
[21:31] <aforemny> jelly1: There's also -kz apparently. ;-) Thanks for your time, though. : )
[21:31] <jelly1> aforemny: wtf
[21:32] <jelly1> aforemny: ask a more informed person :P
[21:33] <Nachtengel> Should I stick with Wheezy until I have a better idea of what I'm doing?
[21:33] <jelly1> i would use adafruits distro
[21:33] <jelly1> since its supported
[21:34] <Disconnect> so is raspbian..
[21:34] <rTiGd2> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro
[21:34] <rTiGd2> Don't visit their store though, it's bad for your bank account ;-)
[21:34] <jelly1> Disconnect: never said it wasnt :p
[21:35] <Disconnect> you implied strongly that the other dists weren't supported
[21:35] <Disconnect> "I would eat at this restaurant instead of that one because its not poisoned"..
[21:35] <jelly1> ugh
[21:36] <jelly1> well i wasnt try to imply it , soorry
[21:36] <Nachtengel> Yay! Another direction for me to get lost it. Thanks :-)
[21:36] <rTiGd2> Adafruit is just Raspbian with extras anyway but the extras are nice. At the end of the day, as with any Linux distribution, it's down to personal choice and requirements.
[21:37] <Nachtengel> Maybe I should work without the extras for now then.
[21:38] <rTiGd2> Read what they've added first and if it's stuff you may need, then use it :)
[21:39] <Nachtengel> Not even sure what my goal is with this. It's small. It's neat. I like.
[21:39] <jelly1> but if your a newbie i would use a raspberrypi supported one
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[21:40] <rTiGd2> Well there are plenty of resources around with interesting projects. Mine is currently running xbian as a media center at the moment.
[21:40] <Hydrar> hm, what settings do I need in the kernel config to enable turbo mode, just the cpufreq stuff?(I'm compiling my own from 3.6 rpi linux)
[21:40] <jelly1> rTiGd2: raspbmc is super easy
[21:40] <jelly1> Hydrar: cpupower sets it ondemand for me
[21:40] <rTiGd2> Doesn't work with my SD card though
[21:40] <jelly1> and > 3.5 or so uses cpupower
[21:41] <Hydrar> Oh, odd, I don't have cpupower on gentoo still :S
[21:41] <jelly1> Hydrar: what
[21:41] <jelly1> strange
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[21:43] <jelly1> Hydrar: then use cpufreq-info
[21:43] <Hydrar> jelly1: I think I can set it manually through sysfs or old cpufrequtils though
[21:43] <jelly1> sure
[21:43] <Hydrar> Looks like it's detected, as far as I understood it I had to raise the frequency in config.txt, and then go find a stress test with validation to see if it's stable at that clock
[21:44] <Hydrar> I'd be happy with just 100MHz more
[21:44] <Nachtengel> Can't it be oc'd to 1000mhz?
[21:44] <Hydrar> I'm not sure, does it go that far without getting unstable
[21:45] <Nachtengel> Read something about 'turbo' mode now.
[21:45] <jelly1> i have run on 1000mhz stable
[21:45] <jelly1> well it scaled depending on load
[21:45] <Nachtengel> Google it. Don't trust me. I'm new lol
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[21:46] <Hydrar> lol, I'm new to the pi but got a fair amount of years of linux experience, which is why I'm building my own kernel and assembling my own image with gentoo to begin with :)
[21:46] <aforemny> Hydrar: Do you use -march=armv6j?
[21:46] <Hydrar> aforemny: Yeah
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[21:46] <Patagonicus> Hydrar: Hah, same here. Well, except I used a precompiled kernel.
[21:47] <aforemny> Hydrar: Why don't you use armv6l like Raspbian does?
[21:47] <Hydrar> Wait, wasn't the processor a v6k?
[21:48] <Hydrar> Damn all these arches and model numbers is confusing
[21:48] <aforemny> Hydrar: I don't know. But Raspbian uses armv6l and Gentoo suggests armv6j. Do you know any documentation I could read to understand the differences and chose the right thing?
[21:48] <aforemny> Hydrar: Oh, and sorry for hijacking your question here. ;-)
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[21:50] <Hydrar> Doesn't seem to be a arch called v6l in gcc :S
[21:50] <Hydrar> Either that, or I'm blind http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-Options.html
[21:51] <aforemny> Hydrar: Oh, sorry. That's just what uname -a reported on Raspbian. That's not the architecture?
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> Hydrar, one of my Pi's runs OK at 1.1GHz.
[21:51] <Hydrar> aforemny: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux
[21:52] <Hydrar> Yeah it says L there too, odd
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> they seem more susceprible to memory overclocking issues, so I don't do that anymore.
[21:52] <Disconnect> http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/chost.xml
[21:53] <Hydrar> So, to get the turbo mode working, increase arm_freq and it works automatically if ondemand is set?
[21:53] <Disconnect> Hydrar: 'turbo mode' is a few optional OC settings that don't void the warranty. so your best bet is to use raspi-config to do it
[21:53] <Disconnect> it hits arm-freq, core-freq, overvolt, etc..
[21:54] <Disconnect> for general overclocking yah, just set the options you want and it'll boot at 700mhz until cpufreq initializes
[21:54] <Hydrar> Disconnect: Well, I don't have it on my image since it's a custom one
[21:54] <Disconnect> ?since its custom you could put it there :P
[21:54] <Hydrar> Yeah I guess, lol
[21:56] * Disconnect is running arm_freq 1000, core_freq 500, sdram_freq 600, over_voltage 6. warranty supported ;)
[21:56] <Disconnect> but that setup is pretty much guaranteed to result in frequent (or even immediate) sd corruption on writes.
[21:56] <exobuzz> im running at stock speeds
[21:57] <rTiGd2> How long before liquid cooled RPis? :)
[21:57] <Patagonicus> Disconnect: What's the problem with the sdcard?
[21:58] <Disconnect> last i read was issues with core_freq above 400. running with just /boot there, read-only (it ignores the hw switch but set it in fstab etc) should be fine though. at least, i haven't had issues - system runs fine off usb after it boots
[21:58] <moopet> I think the warranty gets too much attention
[21:59] <moopet> you're far more likely to end up with a broken pi through your own fault than a manufacturing fault that wasn't evident on arrival
[21:59] <Wojtulas> Anyone used Raspberry Pi with DVB-S2 Tuner?
[21:59] <Disconnect> moopet: except for the "shuts down almost immediately" problem that is going around..
[21:59] <moopet> what's that then?
[21:59] * Disconnect is waiting for his replacement - it got shipped today, yay - because of that, so I'm happy to have a warranty..
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[22:01] <Disconnect> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=20657
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[22:02] <Hydrar> Anyone know of a good stability testing program though? On x86 I tend to use mprime/prime95
[22:02] <jelly1> ugh xbmc and nfs shares
[22:03] <viric> umh I do something wrong
[22:03] <viric> Error: selected processor does not support ARM mode `wfs r3'
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[22:06] <tanuva> Hydrar: I'm using a simple python script: while(True): pass
[22:07] <Hydrar> tanuva: The problem with that is that it doesn't do any actual validation that it calculates correctly, so slight errors might go unnoticed
[22:07] <tanuva> my pi runs fine under load with hdmi connected until I plugin a network cable. then it dies with red led on fairly quickly
[22:07] <BurtyB> Hydrar, dnetc client would probably give it a workout
[22:07] <tanuva> Hydrar: of couse, I was just aiming at producing some load
[22:08] <Hydrar> Ah
[22:08] <mgottschlag> also, python probably generates quite some ALU usage behind the scenes even for those two lines :)
[22:09] <Disconnect> tanuva: sounds like power problems. what is the voltage?
[22:09] <rTiGd2> Most certainly power
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[22:09] <Hydrar> Yeah, I guess
[22:10] <tanuva> Disconnect: I've measured TP1-TP2 and the polyfuse (512mb recent board), around the fuse I get 4.9 V
[22:10] <Hydrar> Otherwise systester.sf.net would kinda fit the bill I guess
[22:10] <Hydrar> Um isn't a polyfuse tripped if it's 5v?
[22:10] <rTiGd2> All the phone/ipad plugs that failed for me first time around now work perfectly with a higher quality cable by the way. Despite that, I bought a dedicated RPi PSU anyway.
[22:10] <Disconnect> tp1-2 is the measurement that matters
[22:10] <tanuva> Disconnect: that one was about 4.85 V
[22:10] <Disconnect> the fuse is a resistor so the voltage measurement is nonsensical
[22:11] <rTiGd2> Hope not 5v is the required voltage.
[22:11] <Disconnect> did it stay that way with the ethernet plugged in?
[22:11] <Disconnect> rTiGd2: 4.75 is the minimum stable
[22:11] <tanuva> Disconnect: I took the measurements with a simple usb-keyboard, network and hdmi
[22:11] <mgottschlag> wtf, indeed, 5V at the fuse means that the fuse has been tropped
[22:11] <mgottschlag> *tripped
[22:11] <rTiGd2> Was re: Poly blowing at 5v
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[22:12] <rTiGd2> Actually, a difference of 0.3 across the fuse means it's melted.
[22:12] <mgottschlag> (but that doesn't make sense as I would have expected him to notice if it wouldn't turn on again afterwards)
[22:13] <Disconnect> what i was seeing was to check the resistance and hope for .4ohms
[22:13] <GreenMeanie> Hello, How do you get 256 color in Vim? (debian, already have t_Co=256 in vimrc file)
[22:13] <tanuva> yep, the Pi always came up as usual after these flameouts
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[22:13] <rTiGd2> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[22:13] <Caleb> GreenMeanie: get a terminal that supports 256 colors and then set them up
[22:15] <GreenMeanie> I am using xterm ATM which is default with the RPI. and when I ran a script to display all colours it worked fine, however when I try "tput colors" it returns 8.
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[22:16] <GreenMeanie> Will have have to install xterm-256?
[22:16] <GreenMeanie> I*
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[22:20] <CelticTurnip> greetings all
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[22:21] <frikinz> GreenMeanie: I'm also getting tput colors 8 with a 256 color capable terminal
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[22:22] <GreenMeanie> frikinz: Do you know how to fix?
[22:22] <GreenMeanie> it*
[22:23] <GreenMeanie> I am guessing it is just a matter of updating the config file.
[22:23] <frikinz> GreenMeanie: vi? no
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[22:25] <frikinz> GreenMeanie: first hit on google http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/256_colors_in_vim
[22:26] <GreenMeanie> I tried there, but diddn't quite get the explaination they sued. I am probably just reading it wrong though.
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[22:36] <GreenMeanie> frikinz: I have improved the situation. type "export TERM=xterm-256color" in ther terminal then "tput colors" and it should return 256
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[22:37] <Linovia_> Hi there
[22:38] <hrebicek_wfh> Hello
[22:38] <Linovia_> I'm totally new to raspberrypi - just received mine this evening with the alament14 ssd
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> what do you want 256 colours in an xterm for?
[22:38] <GreenMeanie> Vim
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Linovia_, stop talking about it and plug it in, turn it on ;-)
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[22:39] <Linovia_> gordonDrogon: would do that if I had a keyboard and hdmi cable :(
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> vim? right. you can't recognise & remmber 256 colours, so what's the point?
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> Linovia_, Ah. Slight problem then..
[22:39] <GreenMeanie> gordonDrogon: Are you the guy that created the RaspberryLadder?
[22:39] <Linovia_> just wondering, is there some image available with ssh turned on ?
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> GreenMeanie, Yup!
[22:39] <frikinz> when I received mine, had no keyboard nor tv. stil haven't
[22:39] <mgottschlag> Linovia_: just add it in /etc/rc.c
[22:39] <mgottschlag> on the normal image
[22:40] <GreenMeanie> gordonDrogon: I have it in front of me now.
[22:40] <frikinz> he could also run raspi-config (or whatever its called eh)
[22:40] <Linovia_> mgottschlag: hurm, got the element14 ssd card but seems it has only 11 files in there
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> GreenMeanie, excellent! Does it pass the ladderTest.sh program?
[22:40] <mgottschlag> Linovia_: wrong partition?
[22:40] <mgottschlag> frikinz: without a keyboard? :D
[22:40] <Linovia_> mgottschlag: ah, might be
[22:41] <GreenMeanie> gordonDrogon: Mostly, the part were you have to press all 4 buttons to exit, the Green LEDs stay on all the time.
[22:41] <hrebicek_wfh> Linovia: pretty sure you mounted the boot vfat32 partition
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[22:41] <Linovia_> mgottschlag: thanks, I didn't even think there could be several partitions
[22:41] <frikinz> mgottschlag: ah yes :) qemu and chroot is a bit overkill
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> GreenMeanie, Hm. did you email me about that? Someone did ..
[22:41] <Linovia_> hrebicek_wfh: looks like it is
[22:41] <GreenMeanie> gordonDrogon: Nope.
[22:42] <hrebicek_wfh> so mount the second partition as ext4
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[22:43] <lucy33> Hi, accordig to http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting, to use ssh i shoud activate it with this command: "sudo mv /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc /boot/boot.rc". the problem is that /boot/ folder is empty. any other way?
[22:44] <lucy33> according*
[22:44] <hrebicek_wfh> someone remembers, where the very first stage boot on the Rpi SD card?
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[22:44] <ParkerR_> lucy33, /boot/ should not be empty
[22:44] <ParkerR_> Have you run the first setup?
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[22:44] <GreenMeanie> gordonDrogon: I have dodgy soldering near to the green switch though.
[22:44] <hrebicek_wfh> mount the vfat partition over it
[22:45] <lucy33> ParkerR_: I don't have hdmi monitor, so i haven't turn the Pi on
[22:45] <mgottschlag> actually, Linovia_ could also use the version on that wiki page
[22:46] <Linovia_> well, I'll see if I can mount the partition and changed the sshd configuration
[22:46] <viric> What is the activity led about?
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> viric, it's the SD card activity - aka the OK led.
[22:47] <viric> I don't think so
[22:47] <viric> I've vmstat running, no writes/reads at all... yet it flashes
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> viric, ok - which one - maybe it's the ethernet one?
[22:47] <viric> ACT/PWR/FDX/LNK/100
[22:47] <viric> I mean 'ACT'
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> ok, that's the Ethernet one.
[22:47] <ParkerR_> Disk activity light
[22:48] <viric> :)
[22:48] <ParkerR_> The top act is if the SD card is being accessed
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[22:48] <gordonDrogon> the other one - the 'ok' one is green and right next to the red power one - next to the 3.5mm jack.
[22:48] <viric> If I unplug the ethernet, it still flashes. When I send data through ssh, LNK flashes.
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[22:48] <viric> but ACT flashes regardless of ethernet.
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[22:49] <mgottschlag> huh, ACT is what OK was on older boards, isn't it?
[22:49] <mgottschlag> ACT/PWR/FDX/LNK/100 is OK/PWR/FDX/LNK/10M on older boards
[22:49] <viric> but vmstat shows no disk io
[22:50] <viric> (swap or io) all zero
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[22:52] <jelly1> yay watching topgear using raspbmc
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[22:52] <jelly1> btw anyone ever fixed issues with resolutions on a composite output?
[22:53] <viric> hm I think the ACT led it's related to the ARM Mailbox IRQ
[22:53] <viric> is
[22:53] <jelly1> i can't change the resolution in the xbmc menu
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[22:55] <viric> no idea, just guessing.
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[23:00] <Patagonicus> So, I'm probably going to work my way through Baking Pi from the Stanford University. It looks like they use an external library to get USB keyboards working. Is there such a library for getting an TCP/IP stack on the Pi without relying on Linux?
[23:01] <mgottschlag> Patagonicus: there is lwIP, but you still need an ethernet driver
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[23:02] <Patagonicus> Uhh, lwIP looks cool. I guess there is no ethernet driver?
[23:03] <mgottschlag> if you already have a USB driver, the ethernet parts might not be too complicated, although I don't know this ethernet chip
[23:03] <Patagonicus> I haven't really looked at it, I just know they use the library for keyboard input.
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> you need a USB hub driver, a USB network chip driver, a Ethernet driver, and a TCP/IP drover
[23:04] <mgottschlag> SpeedEvil: if keyboard works, I would imagine that the hub driver is already there
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> possibly
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> if it is done in an extensible manner
[23:04] <mgottschlag> sure
[23:05] <jelly1> does anyone know if composite is really limited to 720x576?
[23:06] <Patagonicus> https://github.com/Chadderz121/csud the readme sounds good. Hub, hid, keyboard and mouse driver are there. No ethernet unfortunately.
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> jelly1: pretty much
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[23:08] <SpeedEvil> jelly1: it depends somewhat on what you call a pixel
[23:08] <jelly1> wtf
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> it is not 720 indepemndant pixels
[23:08] <jelly1> why can't it handle 1024x768
[23:08] <SpeedEvil> because it can't
[23:08] <jelly1> hrrm
[23:09] <jelly1> lame
[23:09] <jelly1> well it looks good
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> if you did, the refresh rate would be 10hz
[23:09] <jelly1> hehe
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[23:09] <SpeedEvil> or 5, if you want proper differentiated pixels
[23:10] <Patagonicus> Hmm, I can't really find any model number for the Ethernet controller.
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[23:11] <mgottschlag> Patagonicus: SMSC LAN 9512, that's what it says on the chip ^^
[23:11] <jelly1> now i wonder why the dynamic overclock wont work
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[23:12] <Patagonicus> mgottschlag: ??? it didn't even occur to me to look there. But my lights are off, so I would have had to stand up first to be able to read it. ;)
[23:13] <mgottschlag> no documentation though, you probably have to look at the kernel sources
[23:13] <hrebicek_wfh> CONFIG_USB_NET_SMSC95XX=y is the Kconfig variable selecting it
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[23:14] <hrebicek_wfh> CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMSC=y is a pre-requisite
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[23:15] <Patagonicus> Well, it's only 1308 lines of C code, I don't think it will be a problem to rewrite that in assembly ???
[23:15] <hrebicek_wfh> once I used 1024x768 on an nvidia board, it looked awful on my tv set
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[23:16] <mgottschlag> Patagonicus: I'd propose to use C for everything but some low-level initialization code anyways
[23:17] <Patagonicus> I don't think I'll be able to extract the code so it works without using much of the Linux kernel.
[23:17] <hrebicek_wfh> SVHS is not enough to cover it, reverted to 800x600, modern TV sets may like it more (the 1024x768)
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[23:17] <Patagonicus> Well, for playing around I won't need it anyway. But it would have been nice as attaching a display is rather cumbersome for me.
[23:19] <ParkerR_> Anybody familiar with RetroPie and emulationstation? Trying to find the .cfg file it uses for NES games. I some custom controller input lines I used before installing RetroPie, and was wanting to add them to the file it uses.
[23:19] <ParkerR_> *I have some
[23:20] <tanuva> yeah, after 40mins of cpu burning the pi died again with hdmi and network connected. longer than ever before, but still unusable. Hope I get a reply from RS soon.
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[23:29] <mgottschlag> Patagonicus: you might find some platform independent mii drivers though
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[23:30] <mgottschlag> then all you need is initialization and some callbacks for the mii driver
[23:30] <mgottschlag> (the chip seems to be mostly mii compatible)
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[23:44] <Patagonicus> Hmm, is there any documentation on how the stuff is connected to the CPU? The ACT led is connected to GPIO 6, as I have learned from the tutorial, but I can't find anywhere where the other LEDs are connected to.
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[23:45] <mgottschlag> Patagonicus: look at smsc95xx.c, they are connected to the network chip
[23:45] <mgottschlag> well, except PWR which is directly connected to the power supply
[23:45] <Patagonicus> Ah, so only ACT can be accessed directly. Hmm.
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[23:46] <mgottschlag> if you don't want a display, then you btw also have the uart
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[23:47] <mgottschlag> you could even write a bootloader so that you don't even need to pull the SD card out to test a new version of your code
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> the OK LED is the only one you can control directly.
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[23:50] <Hydrar> For anyone else that needs a CPU stress test, systester.sf.net works fine, you just need to go into the cli directory and run make lite, and it'll make a small commandline only binary
[23:51] <Hydrar> Seems to be pretty much like superpi
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