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IRC Log for 2012-12-06

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[0:00] <Milos> you'll never go back
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[0:00] <Milos> but seirously that fly was just chillin
[0:00] <Milos> and I snapped it
[0:01] <frikinz> Nice shot :)
[0:01] <ParkerR_> Milos, Wouldn't by chance happene to have the original photo? :P
[0:01] <ParkerR_> *happen
[0:01] <Milos> yes
[0:01] <Milos> http://www.wut.co.nz/images/fly.png
[0:01] <Milos> 1.7MB at ADSL speed
[0:01] <Milos> so it will be slow if everyone loads it
[0:01] <Milos> brb lunch
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[0:02] <ParkerR_> At the speed of snot!
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[0:05] <ParkerR_> Milos, Happen to remember that one program that lists all of the modes supported by the camera? I swear there was something
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[0:05] <frikinz> Tag_Virtualization_use: TrustZone hummm
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[0:11] <_mru_> frikinz: that just means the file was built for a target with trustzone support
[0:11] <Milos> ParkerR_, yup
[0:11] <Milos> ummm
[0:11] <_mru_> such as arm1176jzf-s
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[0:11] <Milos> ParkerR_, v4l2-ctl --list-formats
[0:13] <frikinz> _mru_: yes, just reading about trustzone and possibilities with DRM. so much for a hello world! :)
[0:13] <ParkerR_> Milos, Heh YUV and MJPEG
[0:13] <ParkerR_> Poor little camera
[0:14] <Milos> yeah
[0:14] <Milos> c920 has a 3rd one "h264"
[0:14] <Milos> ;)
[0:15] <Milos> c910 doesn't btw
[0:16] <ParkerR_> Milos, Heh. Lowered mine to 320x240, set fps to 24, and its actually kinda handeling it
[0:17] <Milos> that's good
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[0:23] <ParkerR_> Milos, Oooh reload my stream. The color is much better this time
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[0:25] <Milos> yeah that's better, poor lighting before? although still the webcam should have lowered the exposure to handle it
[0:25] * Kripton is now known as kripton
[0:26] <ParkerR_> Yeah not sure. Might have been loading the webcam in other utilities finally adjusted
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[0:27] <ParkerR_> it
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[0:34] <ParkerR_> Woohoo got my manual focus going with uvcdynctrl
[0:34] <ParkerR_> -s 'Focus, Auto' 0 and -s 'Focus (absolute)' x
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[0:35] <ParkerR_> x being a number between like 0 and 40-something I believe
[0:37] <Milos> awesome :D
[0:42] <ParkerR_> :| seemed to have stuck brightness on 30
[0:43] <ParkerR_> Even unplugged and replugged the camera
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[0:49] <ParkerR_> Haha had to load it in windows so I could pull up the camera settings window and click defaults
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[0:49] <ParkerR_> Oh heh 30 is the very low end of the brightness slider
[0:50] <ParkerR_> Goes up to 255
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[0:53] <ParkerR_> Milos, If you get decent lighting and good focus http://75.130.66.184:8080/?action=snapshot
[0:55] <ParkerR_> That's the closest it will focus
[0:55] <ParkerR_> About an inch
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[0:59] <ParkerR_> :O
[0:59] <ParkerR_> Look at those layers
[1:00] <mranostay> i was expecting porn
[1:00] <ParkerR_> Haha
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[1:05] <ebswift> ooh momma, now i'm starting to see this GTX 580 move and shake... it just needed a bit of juicing up
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[1:07] <ebswift> err, wrong channel :/
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[1:50] <brady2600> however i can't seem to do vnc over the internet
[1:50] <brady2600> tightvnc that is
[1:51] <brady2600> i can do it locally fine. Ive forwarded the ports for 5800, 5900
[1:52] <brady2600> can anyone think of a reason why ssh would be accessable and tightvncserver not?
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[1:53] <Efciem> evenin
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[1:54] <Efciem> just hooked up a raspberry pi , used raspbmc installer onto a blank SD card.. I boot up the pi ( hooked up to my TV via HDMI ) , and I get no video display.
[1:54] <brady2600> hum. i used berryboot
[1:54] <Efciem> It becomes pingable, and I can launch an ssh session to it. But cannot log into it w/ the user/pass suggested from the raspbmc docs
[1:54] <cerjam> sounds like its a BAD DISTRO TO ME!
[1:54] <Efciem> yea
[1:54] <Efciem> d/l'n weez now
[1:55] <Efciem> first one i tried raspbmc on
[1:55] <DMackey> press ctrl/alt-delate to restart the Pi
[1:55] <DMackey> Mine did that a few times when I first hooked it to the TV via HDMI
[1:55] <brady2600> man. this is driving me crazy that i can ssh over the internet, and not tightvnc
[1:56] <Efciem> i got a dell wireless usb keyboard, cant tell if its "connected"
[1:57] <brady2600> well , just try ctrl alt delete and if the hdmi is on.. it is. lol.
[1:57] <Efciem> lol
[1:58] <DMackey> heh, I couldn't understand why it was doing that on the TV though.
[1:58] <DMackey> At first I thought I killed my RPi.
[1:59] <DMackey> I didn't of course.
[2:03] <Efciem> what lights should be on the pi when its booting
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[2:07] <nimtz> both
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[2:07] <nimtz> all except the network one, at least at first
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[2:17] <brady2600> Efciem: get the hdmi displaying?
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[2:19] <pksato> no video on hdmi and TV ? hdmi_drive=2 or hdmi_safe=1
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[2:29] <Efciem> pksato : no i didnt, still nothing
[2:29] <Efciem> just says no video
[2:29] <Efciem> my default tv display when device is not plugged in
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[2:30] <pksato> Efciem: test via cbs output.
[2:30] <Torikun> yo
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[2:30] <Torikun> ls
[2:31] <mranostay> $
[2:31] <Torikun> oi
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[2:51] <ozymandias_> Howdy
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[2:54] <Efciem> pksato : I sorted it out
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[2:54] <ozymandias_> Anyone ever had a problem with a DVI monitor where all of the blacks were green?
[2:54] <Efciem> I used Win8 to run the raspbmc app, even w/ the right click run as admin option. ( 2 different SD's ) , went over to my laptop runnin OpenSuse and imaged the sD from that, and voila problem solved
[2:55] <ozymandias_> it's happening on one monitor, but on my other monitor its fine
[2:55] <IT_Sean> i suggest some light wire jiggerpokery
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[2:56] <ozymandias_> there has been much jigging and ping of the wire...
[2:56] <ozymandias_> *poking
[2:56] <ozymandias_> and yet, my TV still looks like Kermit
[2:56] <IT_Sean> huh
[2:56] <ozymandias_> while my monitor works properly...
[2:56] <ozymandias_> same cable
[2:56] <IT_Sean> swap cables from the squidgy screen to the good screen and vice versa
[2:56] <ozymandias_> I only have the one HDMI to DVI cable at the moment...
[2:57] <IT_Sean> oh
[2:57] <ozymandias_> I take it this probably isn't a power problem though
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[3:05] <ozymandias_> ???or should I just keep pushing config_hdmi_boost higher
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[3:10] <portablejim_> Is there any guide as to what resistance I need between GPIO pins? I am guessing I can't just put a bridge between two pins.
[3:12] <brady2600> can anyone here help me with getting my tightvncviewer to connect to my tightvncserver on my pi.. im getting refused connections.
[3:12] <brady2600> I have managed to connect via ssh over the internet , i suspect something is not configured right with the vnc server
[3:13] <Porpado> any girls in here wanna cyber? Jk but seriously??? I have the wrong keyboard set up. Most of my symbols are mixed up. How do I fix this?
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[3:20] <steve_rox2> wtf
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[3:21] <steve_rox> get all sorts of crazys in here it seems
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[3:24] <mranostay> welcome to the internet
[3:26] <steve_rox> im sure theres far worse
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[3:29] <brady2600> internets! I beg of you.. why why why cannot i connect to vnc when I can ssh over the internet? why tubes why!
[3:31] <pksato> brady2600: vncserver is not running
[3:33] <Essobi> brady2600: firewalls.
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[3:33] <brady2600> i can connect to it via the local network
[3:33] <pksato> firewall
[3:34] <brady2600> ok will look at the firewall on my router
[3:34] <pksato> or you have a public ip to use on rpi?
[3:35] <brady2600> i have no-ip configured, i have successfully ssh'ed into it from the outside
[3:35] <pksato> but. use ssh do redirect vnc conection
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[3:35] <asaru> is the pi behind a nat? do you need to forward ports for vnc?
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[3:36] <brady2600> i have forwarded 5800 and 5900
[3:36] <brady2600> the firewall appears to be disabled
[3:36] <brady2600> nat says enabled
[3:36] <Essobi> And the firewall of the remote location you're at
[3:36] <Essobi> ?
[3:37] <brady2600> should i disable?
[3:37] <pksato> if vnc use display :1, port is 5901
[3:37] <asaru> http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
[3:37] <asaru> check there if you're unsure of what ports are open
[3:37] <brady2600> oh! hope that works
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[3:41] <rikkib> Nasty to
[3:42] <rikkib> oppps
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[3:42] <rikkib> Nasty tornado killed three 100km from here today
[3:42] <brady2600> this is weird. .i enabled 5800 - 6000, and that page still says the port is closed
[3:43] <brady2600> shoudll the protocol be tcp, udp, or gre?
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[3:46] <brady2600> does the raspberry pi have a built in firewall?
[3:46] <pksato> no.
[3:46] <pksato> But. linux have.
[3:46] <brady2600> raspbian?
[3:47] <brady2600> like to i need to open the port on raspbian?
[3:47] <pksato> linux kernal have all need to make a firewall.
[3:47] <CelticTurnip> brady2600: how are you trying to connect locally or via the net?
[3:47] <pksato> raspbian dont have any port blocking.
[3:47] <brady2600> i have connected locally
[3:47] <brady2600> im trying to connect via the internet
[3:48] <CelticTurnip> you need to forward the ports from your router to your Pis IP then
[3:48] <brady2600> 5901 is coming back blocked with that site
[3:48] <CelticTurnip> also I'm not sure how it is where you are but here in Australia some ISPs will block ports
[3:48] <brady2600> i have added it to the router, still coming back blocked when i check it with http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/
[3:49] <pksato> tou need to configure port forward on you router.
[3:49] <brady2600> yes, i added 5800-6000
[3:49] <pksato> same as to do for ssh.
[3:49] <brady2600> i have opened the port for ssh, and port 80, and both of those work
[3:50] <brady2600> it would be weird for them to block vnc and not a webserver, wouldnt it
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[3:50] <pksato> brady2600: what port you use to connect on local net?
[3:51] <brady2600> 192.168.1.99
[3:51] <pksato> port, not ip.
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[3:51] <brady2600> humm. idk.
[3:52] <CelticTurnip> TCP 5800 and 5900 according to the 'net
[3:52] <brady2600> someone earlyer said 5901 for tightvncserver
[3:52] <brady2600> so i did 5800-6000
[3:53] <pksato> brady2600: you have access to other connection to access rpi?
[3:53] <brady2600> i have a vpn i can use
[3:53] <CelticTurnip> honestly you should know yourself what ports it uses, before you randomly open a block 200 :)
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[3:54] <plugwash> IIRC it's 59?? iirc where ?? is the display number. Windows vnc servers usually have a "display number" of 0 while X vnc servers usually have a display number of 1 or higher
[3:54] <brady2600> well even when i just open 5900, when i test it with the port forward tester, it shows as closed
[3:54] <plugwash> because the local X display is usually display 0
[3:54] <CelticTurnip> also with something as insecure as VNC I'd be considering using anything but the default ports
[3:55] <brady2600> well i would be plenty happy to change it to something else, but i mean, its hard to see the point when its not working.
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[3:56] <CelticTurnip> I can understand using ssh over the internet (especially when you use hosts.allow/.deny) but I can't see why you'd need desktop access, especially on a nix :)
[3:56] <brady2600> its not like someone is going to brute force in a few minutes it takes to test it.
[3:56] <brady2600> im not really comfortable at this point going full prompt
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[3:56] <CelticTurnip> yet you're confident opening hundreds of ports?
[3:57] <CelticTurnip> fair enough :-/
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[3:57] <pksato> use ssh to forward vnc conection. ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 pi@rapiberru.pi.ip
[3:57] <brady2600> thanks man. snicker at the noob who's stuggled for days.
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[3:57] <CelticTurnip> brady2600: I'm not snickering at you, I just find it weird you want all this stuff but you don't want to learn the basics of the UNIX shell
[3:58] <brady2600> i do want to learn the basics of the unix shell, but i also have a clear timeline in which i need to accomplish certain tasks.
[3:59] <CelticTurnip> nice, I've been using UNIX/Linux/etc for more than 20 years and I still learn new stuff everyday, good luck with that timeline :)
[3:59] <brady2600> pksato : ssh: Could not resolve hostname rapiberru.pi.ip: Name or service not known
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[4:00] <pksato> Secury tip: Never copy and past commands from irc channel to you shell.
[4:00] <CelticTurnip> we wants you to use your pis IP address... you do know you are just randomly copying commands straight from irc?
[4:01] <CelticTurnip> he*
[4:01] <brady2600> ok am i understanding this right, that i could use ssh to connect to a x windows server? then i would be able to access the desktop graphically, but just not sending pictures of the desktop?
[4:01] <CelticTurnip> ssh can forward X
[4:07] <brady2600> ok this command:: ssh -X pi@YOUR_PI_IP_ADDR , pi would be the username?
[4:07] <CelticTurnip> it's whatever you use to log in to the machine :)
[4:08] <CelticTurnip> if it's pi on your Pi then yes :)
[4:08] <brady2600> i don't believe it is anymore
[4:08] <brady2600> ive added thomaswoods and a few others, ive successfully ssh'ed into it with thomaswoods
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[4:09] <brady2600> humm.. ok i just did that code, but with thomaswoods@bradyrose.no-ip.org
[4:10] <brady2600> however, its just gone to prompt, it didnt open a window with my desktop as i had hoped
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[4:12] <brady2600> perhaps because that username has not been configured to startx automatically?
[4:16] <CelticTurnip> it doesn't open any apps... you're forwarding X, you need to start your X apps from that terminal
[4:16] <CelticTurnip> ... you also need to be running X on the machine you are connecting from
[4:16] <brady2600> ahhh!
[4:17] <brady2600> ok yes. i need to figure out what that is for ubuntu, googling
[4:17] <CelticTurnip> for example you might do ssh -X user@ip ... then do xeyes & ... and xeyes will pop up (if configured correctly)
[4:18] <brady2600> xeyes, command not found, i assume cause its not installed
[4:18] <CelticTurnip> yep
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[4:25] <brady2600> humm the only xeyes application i can find is the old one where eyes track your pointer
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[4:28] <Consty> this is awesome
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[4:28] <Consty> dosbox + serial modem to telnet bridge + fossil driver + bbs software = awesome old school bbs without any hassle
[4:29] <Consty> on the pi, of course :)
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[4:31] <brady2600> lxsession
[4:31] <brady2600> Openbox-Message: A window manager is already running on screen 0
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[4:43] <CelticTurnip> brady2600: stop worrying about xeyes, it's just a random X app... try anything you know you have installed
[4:43] <brady2600> im running ubuntu, but dont know if it comes with something
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[4:45] <brady2600> what should i search for X server viewer ubuntu?
[4:47] <CelticTurnip> when you're forwarding apps over X you want to be running them from the machine you're forwarding from... if you're forwarding from your Pi to your Ubuntu machine try something you know is installed on your Pi
[4:47] <CelticTurnip> anyway brb, just swapped servers to an OpenBSD box with no X... weechat is too large, firing up irssi :)
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[4:48] <CelticTurnip> that's better :)
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[4:52] <brady2600> wait.. celticturnip, you said forward apps.. it wont display the whoole desktop?
[4:52] <CelticTurnip> it can
[4:52] <CelticTurnip> there are plenty of guides online for getting that working, that's not a conversation I'll be having on irc :)
[4:53] <brady2600> im looking for one.. i can't seem to find anything that would tell me what to do with ubuntu
[4:53] <brady2600> honestly, half the stuff you tell me is right over my head.
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[4:54] <CelticTurnip> that's why I personally suggest you slow down, give up your time frame and start with the UNIX shell and work up from there :)
[4:55] <brady2600> all i need is to get it so i can view and use my raspberry pi remotely so i can remotely upload applications to my arduino.. this shouldn't be so hard i can't get it done in a few days.
[4:55] <CelticTurnip> the shell might seem like a lot of work to learn, but once you click it's pretty simple... and after a while you'll question why you even need a gui / unless you actually want to run *NIX as a desktop OS
[4:56] <CelticTurnip> for what you want want, vnc is the best idea... and you've set that up, you just need to figure out why it doesn't work...
[4:56] <CelticTurnip> so starting from the beginning with that, does it work locally?
[4:56] <CelticTurnip> btw if I seem to not respond I'm not ignoring you, it's just I'm running around a couple of buildings logged on to multiple OpenBSD/FreeBSD boxes doing stuff :)
[4:56] <pksato> try vncview :1 on ssh shell.
[4:56] <brady2600> like.. i can already get into vnc locally... i cant figure out how to do it over the internet, so the only reason why im thinking about xserver is cause it seemed like a diffrent route. im not trying to give myself a 10 year course on unix, I have a clear goal that plenty seem to think isn't impossible.
[4:57] <CelticTurnip> it's not... if you can connect to vnc locally, the issue is with your router/port forwarding
[4:57] <CelticTurnip> some where the ports are being blocked, obviously not by the pi since you can connect via your local network
[4:57] <CelticTurnip> this leaves your router or your ISP...
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[4:58] <CelticTurnip> the most obvious thing to check is the router, and since you have both sshd and httpd forwarding already you're off to a good start, so just check your settings
[4:59] <brady2600> yes.. ive been fiddling with the port forwarding, but for some reason i can't get the ports open
[4:59] <brady2600> i could take some time to literally describe the port forwarding page
[4:59] <pksato> on pi, run netsta -ntl
[4:59] <pksato> ops, netstat -ntl
[5:00] <pksato> its show listen stat port.
[5:00] <brady2600> oh its showing me the ports
[5:00] <brady2600> humm. i see 80
[5:01] <pksato> on "Local Address" column, look like 0.0.0.0:590x
[5:01] <brady2600> don't see it
[5:01] <brady2600> i could pastebin it for you
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[5:02] <brady2600> http://pastebin.com/UNJgL6ya
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[5:03] <brady2600> could this be because the vncserver is not starting automatically?
[5:03] * CelticTurnip face palms
[5:03] <CelticTurnip> probably ;)
[5:03] <brady2600> humm. i would think though that it would have to be running, having successfully used vnc over the network
[5:04] <brady2600> wait no
[5:04] <brady2600> no this is all wrong, for some reason my ssh session didn't connect and when i ran that command it was running not via my pi on ssh but my ubuntu box im on. woops.
[5:05] <brady2600> illl do it again and check for the ports properly on the pi
[5:05] <CelticTurnip> gah! dd'ing an 8GB image over USB1.0 so slow :)
[5:05] * CelticTurnip watches USB stick light flash
[5:05] <brady2600> i hate fucking flashing usb sticks
[5:05] <brady2600> i would punch it, but that would just result in more flashing usb sticks.
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[5:07] <brady2600> ok now i see it
[5:07] <brady2600> 5903, 5901
[5:08] <CelticTurnip> brady2600: I like your style, I'd like to snap it... but I need the image to image 4 notebooks :)
[5:08] <brady2600> don't like my style.. it just results in more bills.
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[5:09] <brady2600> ok so im looking at my port forwarding page of my router
[5:09] <brady2600> there are two main tables of fields
[5:09] <brady2600> 1. enter land port and ip information
[5:09] <CelticTurnip> I think I've caused enough of my own, 1 day at work I accidently knocked a $15K server off a table before it went in to a rack :D
[5:09] <brady2600> 2. enter the remote port and ip information (optional)
[5:10] <brady2600> yes but that was an accident, rather than blind rage
[5:10] <brady2600> both of the sections have starting port, ending port.
[5:10] <brady2600> humm maybe i can screen shot this
[5:11] <pksato> brady2600: have dmz configured on router?
[5:11] <brady2600> i see it in the router, haven't done anything with it
[5:11] <brady2600> enable?
[5:11] <pksato> or, server forward, or some other name.
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[5:12] <brady2600> 1. set the dmz state. dmz : enable [] disable []
[5:12] <pksato> router have a option to forward any conection come from wan to one ip on lan.
[5:13] <brady2600> ahh i saw my pi's address there.. enabled and selected it... trying again.
[5:14] <brady2600> connection still refused.
[5:14] <brady2600> re-adding ports
[5:14] <pksato> you need to connect from other internet host.
[5:15] <pksato> its not work from inside.
[5:16] <brady2600> i have a vpn , i can turn it on so i am on the outside
[5:16] <pksato> ips is correct?
[5:17] <brady2600> i am using no-ip.org
[5:18] <brady2600> port 80 and 22 get though.. some reason i cant get to vnc
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[5:32] <Opinie> does anyone know what those type of web servers are called that show data about your pi?
[5:32] <Opinie> like how hot it's running
[5:32] <Opinie> cpu freq
[5:32] <Opinie> etc
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[5:46] <brady2600> how can i change the default port for tight vnc server
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[6:04] <brady2600> can i use tight vnc over ssh?
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[6:09] <Opinie> brady2600: you mean can you vnc to your pi via putty for example?
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[8:50] <Mehhh> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/03/2d3d-graphics-linux-demo-x11-egl-gles2-qt4-on-allwinner-a10-tablet/
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[9:02] <]DMackey[> gotta love the net splits
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[9:02] <Russ> they are pretty damn awesome
[9:02] <brady2600> whats that?
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[9:13] <lunra> Mehhh: Nice! Thanks for the link!
[9:14] <Mehhh> np :>
[9:15] * lunra has an A10 based system, and will probably give this a go
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[9:16] <brady2600> CelticTurnip: I got it working yay.. ssh'd to it, and created a tunnel for port 5901, then connected to xtightvncviewer on port 127.0.0.1:1, so in that case i didn't need to forward the port that was refusing to unblock. so thats great, im doing it more securely though ssh, and its working :)
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[9:48] <KidBeta> i was wondering if anyone in here can recommend a cheap screen that will with the raspberry pi well ? :)
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[10:10] <Jck_true> KidBeta: Depends what you're looking for - and what you allready got of hardware :)
[10:11] <Jck_true> KidBeta: I bought a LVDS kit for an old 15.4" lcd panel from a broken laptop - ~35 USD I think
[10:15] <Jck_true> KidBeta: You can get composites for the same roughly - - LCD monitors for like 100 USD
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[10:18] <Jck_true> KidBeta: Oh and if you're a bit technical you can buy a display from a Nokia 3310 and show text on a 130x90px monochrome display...
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[10:19] <lunra> But of course there's no current X11 driver for one of those
[10:20] <Jck_true> lunra: Technically - he didn't state he needed that ;)
[10:20] <lunra> I know :)
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[10:21] <gordonDrogon> KidBeta, I bought a reconditioned 16" TV with HDMI inputs - 720p (1336x768) which works well.
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[10:29] <lunra> IME TVs are a bad idea because often the panel itself has a lower resolution than the input
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[10:31] <Jck_true> I'm more confused about the use of composite - Can you actually read a terminal on that?
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[10:32] <lunra> at 640x480 with a short cable, yes, a friend of mine demonstrated a working console
[10:32] <lunra> with the long cable, it was too fuzzy
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[10:34] <Jck_true> Well it still really won't stop me from draging the 15 year old B&O 28 inch tv to recycling...
[10:37] <KidBeta> Jck_true just a portal screen
[10:37] <KidBeta> portable*
[10:37] <KidBeta> i was hoping for the iphone screen but that was ruled out pretty quickly.
[10:37] <frikinz> You can even show your ssh login terminal on the tv
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[10:38] <frikinz> in case you have no keyboard so ssh in but still wants to see the output on your tv
[10:38] <frikinz> :)
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[10:40] <Jck_true> KidBeta: Look at composite displays - There's the old display from the PS One portable
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[10:40] <KidBeta> oh that sounds good :) thanks.
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[10:45] <Jck_true> KidBeta: If you're going really cheap - 31USD - http://dx.com/p/4-3-car-vehicle-rearview-mirror-monitor-dc-12v-pal-ntsc-126317?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[10:46] <Jck_true> No idea if thats even usable - but it sure is cheap
[10:46] <egrouse> haha wow
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[10:48] <Jck_true> egrouse: If only customs here wouldn't rip my wallet if i ordered one :P
[10:49] <egrouse> heheh
[10:49] <egrouse> where you at?
[10:49] <egrouse> probably get stung a bit here too??? import tax sucks
[10:49] <Jck_true> Denmark
[10:49] <egrouse> ah cool??? i went there once!
[10:49] <egrouse> to legoland
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[10:49] <viric> Denmark has such tax about the fat in the food, right?
[10:50] <Jck_true> Anything under 14 USD they ignore - If it's over 14 usd - They want 25% in vat and 28USD in administration...
[10:50] <viric> Jck_true: do they name it 'vat'? Weird
[10:50] <Jck_true> viric: I dare you to find one thing in denmark that isn't taxed :)
[10:50] <viric> Jck_true: yes, that's how I imagine it ;) But a food tax proportional to fat, looks interesting
[10:50] <Jck_true> viric: No it's just called uhmm "Fat tax" i suppose the translation is
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[10:51] <Jck_true> viric: If only the tax made sense - It's based on the nature of the product
[10:51] <Jck_true> cheese gets x% tax
[10:51] <Jck_true> So it doesn't matter if it's a fat free cheese or not
[10:51] <viric> Jck_true: No, I meant when you say "25% in vat"... do they name the customs tax to slowdown imports 'vat'?
[10:51] <neilr> Makes more sense than the UK, where the same food can be taxed differently depending if it's hot or cold
[10:52] <viric> neilr: I can't even guess what would make more sense to have a higher tax: hot or cold :)
[10:52] <Jck_true> viric: Well VAT here in denmark is 25% on antyhing sold to a private resident - It's not a customs tax as so
[10:53] <Mehhh> oh my god i'm never going to the EU
[10:53] <viric> Mehhh: the EU is completely rotten
[10:54] <viric> I woundn't say Russia or USA isn't completely rotten, though.
[10:55] <Mehhh> 3D printing is going to own VAT so hard
[10:55] <Mehhh> because you'll be able to buy under the taxable amount in plastic
[10:57] <viric> Jck_true: how can you pay a 'value added tax' on a foreign product? Here we have a completely different name for a tax made to increase in-country trade.
[10:57] <neilr> I'm sure the UK will find a way to tax it. Remember the first Pi boards being produced in the Far East, as it was cheaper to import the boards populated, as they attract less tax that way than imporing the discrete components...
[10:57] <Mehhh> Yes, but they won't tax plastic string under 10$
[10:57] <viric> neilr: I read that the main problem was that the UK factories couldn't meet the delivery date by far.
[10:58] <nid0> viric: the foundation did originally say one of the main hurdles was the tax issue
[10:58] <Mehhh> I think it's ironic that Germany is holding up the EU atm.
[10:58] <viric> nid0: umh ok, new data to digest.
[10:59] <neilr> Yes - it was both things
[10:59] <Jck_true> viric: I'm not entirely sure - It's just registered as "MOMS" on the statements i got with the two packages that went over the limit here (MOMS is our version of VAT)
[10:59] <nid0> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/509
[10:59] <viric> Mehhh: the germany banks own the government. And the banks lent money to all other countries. Thus, the german goverment does as much as they can, to keep the money going from the south to German banks.
[11:00] <Jck_true> Talking about 3D printing - Anybody into CNC cutting of plexiglass?
[11:00] <viric> Mehhh: The banks lent the money, the german government are "the guys that will break your legs"
[11:00] <viric> Jck_true: Ok thank you
[11:00] <Mehhh> I mean, in terms of selling items made in their own country
[11:00] <Mehhh> Germany does that, and gets a premium
[11:01] <Mehhh> Lotus for example in the UK cannot match the profit margins of BMW, Porsche-Group, etc
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[11:01] <viric> Mehhh: germany had a great benefit of removing all landlimit taxes in EU, as they were the major exporters. And their banks were the ones that were financing the foreign countries too. So the money flow was very easy.
[11:01] <Mehhh> and Rover / Jag / AM are gone
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[11:02] <Mehhh> Exactly. It seems to me that the other countries need to find new exports ;)
[11:02] <Jck_true> No offence - But the british car industry has been a joke the last 30 years :D
[11:02] <viric> Mehhh: now, germany pushes to change all constitutions in other countries, so "return of any debt" becomes the higher priority, over any social spending.
[11:02] <Mehhh> It's been a joke since before that (Triumph)
[11:02] <neilr> I think the UK made a good car in about 1953. By accident.
[11:03] <Jck_true> Mehhh: Well my dream motorbike is still a Triumph Daytona - - And the car is an Aston Martin Rapide
[11:03] <Mehhh> Maybe Europe + UK should for once be better than the Germans
[11:03] <viric> Here, in simple city mayors, those in the city hall parlament can't vote for "first social spending, we'll delay paying the debt", because now it's anticonstitutional, and such vote can put the representatives into jail
[11:03] <Mehhh> For once in history
[11:03] <nid0> i'm still pining for a caterham
[11:03] <Jck_true> But the Triumphs are still sold 4000 USD more expensively than their german/japanese competitors...
[11:04] <Mehhh> When was the last time a VR6 or Spitfire was sold in the USA?
[11:04] <Mehhh> Around the time the 100th fire took place in the electronics
[11:04] <viric> Look about greece.... Greece *forgave* the german debt on WW2, saying that it would be hard for germans to pay. Look how Germany now reacts at that.
[11:04] <Jck_true> neilr: Well the E-type Jag was from the 60's wasn't it? :)
[11:04] <Jck_true> Or a DB-5 :)
[11:05] <Jck_true> Or a MG B from the 70's
[11:05] <Mehhh> Yes, and German citizens forgave the war rapes and over-correction by the SU in stealing from them.
[11:05] <neilr> Heh. I drove an E-Type. Piece of crap to drive.
[11:05] <neilr> Honestly
[11:05] <viric> And the german government tells to their own citizens the known-lie of "we are better than the rest of EU, we do things right, they don't".
[11:05] <Mehhh> The fact is you have a single country that is always zooming to the top spot
[11:05] <Mehhh> why
[11:05] <Mehhh> this is over thousands of years
[11:06] <Jck_true> neilr: Looks over function - Seems to be the way everything is moving now
[11:06] <viric> I think that germany has very submissive people.
[11:06] <Mehhh> Submissive OCD engineers maybe
[11:06] <nid0> car companies are global these days anyway so who cares, the uk makes more cars than anywhere else in europe
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[11:07] <Mehhh> Yes nid0, but the profit % per car
[11:07] <Mehhh> is not as much
[11:07] <Yaniel> do I want clang or gcc on arch on the pi?
[11:07] <Jck_true> viric: Well here in denmark we got a massive problem - Germans earning between 30 and50% less then danish factory works and in return being more productive...
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[11:07] <Jck_true> workers*
[11:08] <viric> Jck_true: yes, more submissive people.
[11:08] <viric> If you get to compete against china, africa, child labour, and all that... then you get bath of reality, of who are more productive.
[11:08] <Mehhh> Germans don't need to compete
[11:09] <Mehhh> their brands are simply above
[11:09] <nid0> Mehhh: according to who? the vast majority of those cars arent "british", and most are exported
[11:09] <viric> Their workers accept very bad conditions
[11:09] <Mehhh> according to motortrend
[11:09] <Mehhh> BMW and the audi-vw-porsche group own profits harder than anywhere
[11:09] <viric> A company with workers ready to accept bad conditions, can easily go better than others.
[11:09] <Mehhh> they don't need to make *more* because they make them for image
[11:10] <Mehhh> I can't even believe this is a thing... they have a serious thing for engineering that cannot be denied.
[11:10] <Jck_true> How do you kindly ask your workmate to turn off his sound on his laptop :|
[11:10] <KidBeta> Jck_true could you please mute your laptop its distracting.
[11:10] <nid0> Mehhh: you miss the point though. BMW make huge numbers of cars in the UK, as do most other manufactures
[11:10] <viric> you could say something similar about the chinese, they manufacturing the best electronics in the world :)
[11:11] <Mehhh> they also make a ton in the usa
[11:11] <Jck_true> Doing PCB layouts and every 10 second it's "DING" because he makes an invalid track
[11:11] <Mehhh> and they are inferior
[11:11] <Mehhh> the defects per car
[11:11] <Mehhh> and price per car
[11:11] <Mehhh> is less
[11:11] <Mehhh> that's why in the UAE they buy FROM germany
[11:11] <Jck_true> nid0: Because it's cheaper to make them where they are sold than transporting them
[11:11] <viric> Jck_true: :)
[11:11] <Mehhh> not a USA M
[11:11] <nid0> Jck_true: except thats not the case, 80% of UK produced cars are exported
[11:11] <Jck_true> nid0: Really?
[11:11] <Mehhh> Here's an example, most of the "M" cars are made in Germany
[11:12] <Mehhh> the ones that are made in the USA / UK never held their value
[11:12] <Mehhh> Why? They didn't last as long, had more defects, and weren't as generally reliable.
[11:12] <Yaniel> anyone?
[11:12] <Mehhh> By defects, i mean that cars have a defect rate per factory
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> I had an old Merc once. very good & reliable for the most part...
[11:13] <Mehhh> I still see Merc D's from the 70's / 80's running today
[11:13] <Grievar> Jck_true: denmark has factories?
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> mine was an old C class. was about 15 years old when I sold it...
[11:14] <frikinz> I have the "old" C class from 2006(?)
[11:14] <frikinz> Reliable. But people say the electronics sometimes gets a bit problematic. Only had a few minor things
[11:14] <Mehhh> I just can't blame the bully (Germany) if they get the best grades in the class (output % per person in terms of manuf, design, and engineering).
[11:15] <Mehhh> You guys keep allowing them to take over in some way.
[11:15] <Mehhh> Be it military, economics, etc.
[11:15] <neilr> "you guys" ?
[11:15] <viric> Mehhh: I agree
[11:15] <Mehhh> Europe + UK
[11:15] <Mehhh> It's just insane.
[11:15] <viric> Mehhh: but most governments have corrupt people. The german can buy the governments of other countries easily.
[11:15] <Mehhh> If you hit a bully, don't allow them to stand again
[11:15] <Mehhh> you keep kicking
[11:16] <Grievar> o.O
[11:16] <Mehhh> viric, excuses.
[11:16] <viric> Mehhh: and there are lots of propaganda here, with the idea of "germans do things well, we don't. Look how they didn't get a salary increase in 10 years"
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> my current car is a "merc" too..
[11:16] <Jck_true> Grievar: A few yeah - But they are closing and/or moving mostly
[11:16] <Mehhh> viric, I see germans take the same vacations over here
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[11:16] <viric> The propaganda favour to EU, and zero-complaints against germany, are very strong here.
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[11:16] <Mehhh> The fact is they output more ideas / better products
[11:17] <viric> Mehhh: yes, the same way it's full of russians too. That means the country goes very well.
[11:17] <Mehhh> and i've read none of your propaganda
[11:17] <Mehhh> Of course it is... that wasn't exactly their choice
[11:17] <Mehhh> viric
[11:17] <viric> :)
[11:18] <Mehhh> Look at Italy... allowing the Chinese to come in and make "made in italy" clothing by imported chinese to sell to ignorant Americans.
[11:18] <viric> Germans idealized. As if I hadn't seen that before a thousand times :D
[11:18] <Mehhh> Right
[11:18] <Mehhh> If you have bribe problems, is it the fault of the person who offers the money or the person that takes it?
[11:18] <Jck_true> viric: What european country you from? :) (Just curious)
[11:18] <neilr> Wow. Kind of wishing we'd never started talking about cars now :-/
[11:19] <viric> I'm catalan
[11:19] <viric> Jck_true: I've a question for a dannish
[11:19] <Grievar> Mehhh: both?
[11:19] <Mehhh> No
[11:19] <neilr> I did some climbing around Catalunya a couple of years ago. Beautiful place.
[11:19] <Mehhh> the person offering the bribe has something to gain
[11:19] <Mehhh> for a group of people
[11:20] <Mehhh> the person taking it only has themself
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[11:21] <nid0> thats a far too oversimplified view
[11:21] <Mehhh> How so?
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[11:21] <Mehhh> Is that not how police do stings?
[11:21] <Jck_true> Mehhh: Anyway - You into 3D printing and/or CNC?
[11:21] <Grievar> at least you guys have vacation time, health care, and governments that aren't run by religious nuts (mostly)
[11:21] <Mehhh> Society gains from a scumbag in jail
[11:21] <Mehhh> based off of the greed of a single person
[11:21] <Grievar> nobody in europe is arguing over whether creationism should be taught in schools
[11:22] <Mehhh> jck, a little bit
[11:22] <Mehhh> I'm just jealous europe is getting staple's 3d printing first
[11:22] <Mehhh> the Dutch will be 3d printing clogs in no time
[11:22] <Mehhh> (first store that does it)
[11:22] <nid0> what if the "bribe" is to a government or council, thats helping a group. even an individual taking a bribe benefits his family and the people/businesses on which the money is spent, and whos to say the person making the bribe is doing it for the benefit of more people than just themself?
[11:22] <Mehhh> That's not helping a group, that's helping a person
[11:22] <Mehhh> here's why
[11:22] <Jck_true> Mehhh: Just wondering if you could guide me to some usable free software for 3d models :)
[11:23] <Mehhh> the person offering the bribe is the person in charge, not the person delivering the money
[11:23] <Jck_true> (For a complete beginner)
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[11:23] <Mehhh> Jck, try Google Sketchup
[11:23] <Mehhh> and a service that accepts GSKU
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[11:23] <Mehhh> have something delivered to see
[11:23] <nid0> Mehhh: says who? thats still a massive assumption and oversimplification, whos to say I dont bribe a coucil official to give me planning permission for an extension? thats me giving a bribe to benefit me.
[11:24] <Jck_true> Mehhh: AutoCad seems to have a tiny learning curve atleast :D
[11:24] <Mehhh> You plan on building the building yourself?
[11:24] <Mehhh> You must be very strong
[11:24] <nid0> how do you know im not a builder by trade?
[11:24] <Mehhh> Last time i checked they got paid
[11:25] <Mehhh> aka multiple people profit
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[11:25] <Mehhh> simple logic is the best, otherwise there would be no laws
[11:25] <Mehhh> because there is always an exception
[11:25] <Grievar> Mehhh: people build houses by themself all the time?
[11:25] <Mehhh> No
[11:25] <Grievar> it's not exactly a huge undertaking
[11:25] <Mehhh> not plumbing
[11:25] <Jck_true> Denmark - Least corrupt country 3rd year in row...
[11:25] <Mehhh> fiber optic lines
[11:25] <nid0> and you see my second point. you're going further down the chain when it suits you but not the other way round. the council official taking the bribe then has more money to spend, maybe he uses the bribe to pay for an extension of his own, and builders profit there.
[11:25] <Mehhh> electric
[11:25] <Grievar> fiber optic lines?!
[11:25] <Mehhh> cable
[11:25] <Grievar> what houses have fiber optic lines?
[11:25] <Jck_true> Just proves how much overpaid goverment officals are :)
[11:25] <Mehhh> Kansas
[11:26] <Mehhh> Google sells 1GB fiber
[11:26] <Mehhh> welcome to America
[11:26] <Mehhh> Gb*
[11:26] <Grievar> kansas :( why not SF?
[11:26] <Jck_true> Grievar: We do? 25/25 mbit fiber - upgradedable to 1GB if you can afford it
[11:26] <Mehhh> San fran prob wouldn't allow it
[11:26] <Mehhh> too many environmental wackjobs and taxes
[11:27] <Mehhh> yes nid0, but the person who needs the ext is affiliated with those people
[11:27] <Mehhh> the government employee is not
[11:27] <Mehhh> i can do this all day
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[11:28] <Mehhh> It's very easy
[11:28] <nid0> Mehhh: says who? I need an extension, I look a builder up on yelp/wherever. The council official wants an extension with the bribe I pay him, he does the same thing.
[11:28] <Mehhh> Show me one single person builder
[11:28] <Mehhh> i all of europe
[11:28] <Mehhh> who handles all aspects of it
[11:28] <nid0> there's about a million of them in any phone book in the UK
[11:28] <Mehhh> No, they don't exist
[11:28] <Mehhh> here is why
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[11:29] <Mehhh> The laws in most EU countries have time limits for the build
[11:29] <nid0> well, they do exist. your constant "here is why" followed by totally flawed assumptions are meaningless
[11:29] <Mehhh> meaning one person couldn't
[11:29] <Mehhh> they do it to give more jobs
[11:29] <Mehhh> This has been in effect since after WW1
[11:29] <Mehhh> Use better examples
[11:29] <Grievar> Mehhh: wait you mean if you own your own land it's illegal to build a house on it yourself?!
[11:29] <Grievar> Mehhh: what the hell? That's ridiculous
[11:29] <Mehhh> If you cannot complete it in time
[11:29] <Mehhh> no
[11:29] <Mehhh> It's because it decreases the value
[11:29] <nid0> Mehhh: your logic is utterly crap
[11:30] <Mehhh> THen prove it wrong
[11:30] <Grievar> Mehhh: ?!?!
[11:30] <nid0> you can take pretty much as long as you want to build buildings
[11:30] <Mehhh> NO
[11:30] <Mehhh> Wrong
[11:30] <Mehhh> one moment
[11:30] <nid0> one example is my parents, who took 18 years to build a garage
[11:30] <Mehhh> screenshotted
[11:30] <Mehhh> That's an addition
[11:30] <Grievar> I severely object to a law that prevents people from building their own house
[11:30] <Mehhh> not the same in the UK i know this for a fact
[11:30] <nid0> yes, which is where this conversation started
[11:30] <Mehhh> No, you said a building
[11:30] <Mehhh> that's different
[11:30] <nid0> I said an extension
[11:31] <nid0> [10:23] <+nid0> Mehhh: says who? thats still a massive assumption and oversimplification, whos to say I dont bribe a coucil official to give me planning permission for an extension? thats me giving a bribe to benefit me.
[11:31] <Mehhh> No you changed
[11:31] <Mehhh> look up
[11:31] <nid0> that ^ is the first I said
[11:31] <Mehhh> Also, business is different
[11:31] <nid0> see the word extension, its clear as day
[11:31] <Mehhh> a house is a different zoning
[11:31] <Mehhh> But you know this
[11:31] <nid0> you're the only person who mentioned building a house
[11:31] <Mehhh> No
[11:32] <Mehhh> that was Grievar
[11:32] <Mehhh> it's not illegal
[11:32] <Mehhh> but you can't leave it there
[11:32] <Mehhh> a commercial building will have an ETA
[11:32] <Mehhh> at minimum
[11:32] <Mehhh> and housing areas zoned as such will have to follow visual standards
[11:32] <Mehhh> which have many times been applied to additions
[11:33] <Mehhh> so again, logic is sound in the context of exactly what was said and how
[11:33] <frikinz> yes. you will actually pay lower tax. you need to have the authority accept the project though
[11:33] <nid0> I wasnt taking about, or ever mentioned, a commercial building because its commercial buildings are fundamentally opposite to the point of what I said.
[11:33] <Grievar> so you're saying a farmer who lives 300 miles from the closest built up area and wants to build a house on his land
[11:33] <Mehhh> No
[11:33] <Mehhh> you said a builder
[11:33] <Grievar> isn't allowed to build it himself because it would take too long
[11:33] <Mehhh> that is a businessman
[11:33] <Mehhh> that is a trade
[11:33] <Mehhh> Yes
[11:33] <Mehhh> correct
[11:33] <nid0> hiring a builder to build an extension on my house is not a commercial building.
[11:33] <Mehhh> grievar
[11:33] <Grievar> what the fuck
[11:33] <Grievar> er
[11:33] <Grievar> sorry language
[11:33] <nid0> and you're talking out your ass
[11:33] <Mehhh> No
[11:33] <Mehhh> you said
[11:33] <Mehhh> HE needed it
[11:33] <Mehhh> not someone else
[11:34] <Mehhh> in which, the original person would be paying the bribe
[11:34] <Grievar> Mehhh: Wow that is um.. not cool?
[11:34] <Grievar> Mehhh: how are people okay with that?
[11:34] <Mehhh> How so?
[11:34] <Mehhh> Think of it like this
[11:34] <Mehhh> if i buy the lot next to you
[11:34] <Mehhh> and trash a house
[11:34] <Mehhh> and leave it
[11:34] <Mehhh> you lose 10k in value in 6mo
[11:34] <Mehhh> is that ok?
[11:35] <Mehhh> Your freedom stops when it impacts someone else
[11:35] <Grievar> I don't believe in laws that aim to prop up property value by restricting what neighbors can do with the property they own
[11:35] <Mehhh> Even less so in the EU
[11:35] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know what you people are talking about, but keep it civil, please.
[11:35] <Mehhh> Grievar... it's common
[11:35] <Mehhh> there are laws (standards) for every locale
[11:35] <Mehhh> In some areas you cannot build a basketball hoop
[11:36] <Mehhh> or have a huge sign, or have a cross
[11:36] <Grievar> laws like that make me want to move to somalia
[11:36] <Mehhh> Funny, they are all moving to Europe.
[11:37] <Mehhh> Well, and Maine / Mass.
[11:37] <Grievar> Mehhh: the thing is that when you start prohibiting things simply because they lower surrounding property value, you start creeping up on uncomfortable territory
[11:37] <Grievar> for example having hispanic neighbors probably lowers your property value in many parts of the US
[11:38] <Mehhh> Grievar, if i built a billboard next to your house with a sign that says your name + never showers, with an arrow pointing at your window
[11:38] <Mehhh> would you be ok with it?
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[11:38] <Mehhh> No Grievar, it does not. What does is upkeep of the grounds.
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[11:38] <Mehhh> What does lower it (in your reference) is packing in more people than zoning allows.
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[11:39] <Mehhh> That's based on the number of ppl, not race.
[11:39] <dddbmt> Hello people. This might be a dumb question, but can anyone tell me if it's possible to use an android phone as wifi modem for the rpi? The dongle I bought does not play well with the chipset of the rpi. (as far as I could understand)
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[11:40] <Grievar> Mehhh: no, there have been documented instances in the past where race was a factor
[11:40] <Mehhh> Then they were sued
[11:40] <Mehhh> notice, the past
[11:40] <nid0> dddbmt: sure, get a wifi adaptor for your pi, enable wifi tethering on your android device
[11:40] <Mehhh> Now, they can't get people into houses.
[11:40] <Mehhh> there are too many houses
[11:40] <Mehhh> Grievar, also, show me because almost 100% of the time... too many people per house.
[11:40] <Mehhh> Trust me, i've seen it.
[11:41] <Grievar> Mehhh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting
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[11:41] <dddbmt> nid0, so - my question was actually if it's possible to use the phone as the adapter?
[11:41] <Mehhh> You can't shove 20 people in a house with the same address. That wiki has nothing to do with any recent times.
[11:41] <Mehhh> And is in fact, outdated.
[11:42] <Jck_true> dddbmt: Easy with android phones - just enable hotspot
[11:42] <Mehhh> Now, they want anyone to buy a house because the supply > demand.
[11:42] <dddbmt> Jck_true, but how would my rpi connect to the phone then?
[11:42] <nid0> dddbmt: its dependant on your version of android and carrier (as they can disable the feature) but usually you just enable hotspot in the device's settings
[11:42] <Mehhh> WiFi USB
[11:42] <Mehhh> bluetooth
[11:42] <Jck_true> dddbmt: USB wifi moment :)
[11:42] <nid0> dddbmt: there are also a load of third party applications that can do the same
[11:42] <Jck_true> modem*
[11:43] <Grievar> Mehhh: you are denying that there are still areas in the US where people are prejudiced to the point that having neighbors of a certain race depresses property values? By even a little bit?
[11:43] <dddbmt> Jck_true, nid0 alright - I will try check it out. Thanks for your time :)
[11:43] <Mehhh> Yes, because in areas that do that, are in the middle of no-where.
[11:44] <Grievar> Mehhh: ?!
[11:44] <Mehhh> Within the last 15+ years, you have three areas
[11:44] <Mehhh> Rural, City, and Suburbs
[11:44] <Mehhh> Rural areas, maybe... but it doesn't matter because you wouldn't be able to tell and the grounds cannot be kept unless you make tons of money
[11:45] <Grievar> Mehhh: I'm mostly thinking about areas like phoenix
[11:45] <Mehhh> there are areas where it is not uncommon to own 100-500 acres
[11:45] <Mehhh> In that area, again, they have a "packing" problem
[11:45] <Mehhh> where the people aren't citizens in many cases, and pack 20+ deep into a two bedroom house
[11:45] <Mehhh> Of course that will lower values
[11:45] <Yaniel> anyone know about gcc vs clang on arm arch linux?
[11:46] <Grievar> Mehhh: but you're thinking that a house with mexicans living in it who /aren't/ "packing" wouldn't lower surrounding property values?
[11:46] <Mehhh> But I will say that no citizen will lower values based on that fact alone.
[11:46] <Mehhh> Nope
[11:46] <Mehhh> in fact in many areas
[11:46] <Mehhh> because of different cultures
[11:46] <Mehhh> that's a pro not a con
[11:46] <Grievar> Mehhh: also it doesn't matter if they're citizens or not, because it's not like you can tell
[11:46] <Mehhh> Yes you can
[11:46] <Jck_true> Yaniel: Well both should work - But GCC seems to be what's used in 99% of raspberrypi projects :)
[11:46] <Mehhh> you can look it up online
[11:46] <Grievar> Mehhh: what
[11:46] <Mehhh> Yes
[11:47] <Mehhh> It's called Lexxis Nexis
[11:47] * Grievar facepalm
[11:47] <Mehhh> you can see who owns what, who they are, where
[11:47] <Grievar> I'm not saying it's impossible to find out
[11:47] <Mehhh> it's easy
[11:47] <Grievar> I'm saying most people can't tell the difference
[11:47] <Mehhh> But the people selling the house
[11:47] <Mehhh> run that check
[11:47] <Mehhh> why? because it gives them an idea of the impact of the people living in a house
[11:48] <Mehhh> if you had 10 kids in a house, there will on average be more work than 1
[11:48] <Mehhh> more usage, wear and tear
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[11:48] <Mehhh> America is becoming increasingly robotic in that sense.
[11:48] <Mehhh> Numbers > culture.
[11:50] <Mehhh> Remember, it's a logical fallacy that correlation =/= causation
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[12:05] <neilr> Has it calmed down in here a bit now?
[12:06] <jelly1> who can shed light on the awfull GPU
[12:06] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1: depends on the question.
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[12:07] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: iirc it takes opencv ~ 60% cpu to just parse a video stream
[12:08] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: since it uses gstreamer i bet the problem is the video gets decoded using the cpu instead of the gpu
[12:08] <jelly1> the stream is mjpg, so i wonder if it would help if i used the openmax lib
[12:09] <KidBeta> jelly1 well it does have hardware decoding but not of everything
[12:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you're right, but I don't think openmax would help.
[12:09] <KidBeta> its not so much thats its awful its that its closed.
[12:09] <jelly1> KidBeta: closed is awfull
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[12:10] <jelly1> i wonder if mjpg is somewhere remote mpeg2
[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> the specs seem specific enough about what's accelerated and what's not when using openmax. I don't see mjpg there.
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[12:11] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: damn
[12:11] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: yeah was about to google that ;)
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[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> might still be a good idea to google, since I don't have much knowledge on the matter.
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> it's just conjecture
[12:12] <jelly1> hmm
[12:13] <ShiftPlusOne> there are a few people here who have been working with webcam streams here, so it might be worth asking them when they're on.
[12:14] <jelly1> well webcam streaming works perfect using mjpgstreamer
[12:14] <jelly1> since it does encode/decode
[12:14] <jelly1> my webcam already outputs mjpeg
[12:14] <jelly1> hmm looks like just grabbing the stream costs ~ 27% CPU
[12:15] <jelly1> still hard to find which codecs are supported
[12:16] <jelly1> i could build openmax myself
[12:17] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1: the gpu hardware can do mjpg at 1080p30, it's just not enabled.
[12:17] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: awesome
[12:17] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: i dont think i can enable it right ;)
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[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> You could email liz or post on the forum asking for them to buy some licenses to sell.
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[12:18] <ShiftPlusOne> if there's enough demand, I don't see why they wouldn't
[12:20] <jelly1> i wish they had a more open chip
[12:20] <jelly1> i wonder how the pandaboard does it
[12:20] <ShiftPlusOne> How would that help? You'd still need the licenses
[12:21] <jelly1> yeah you're right
[12:21] <jelly1> so other boards just buy all the licenses
[12:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, all other hardware will typically have the licenses costs built in.
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> *license
[12:22] <jelly1> i wonder what openmax does then
[12:22] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean?
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[12:22] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: openmax can decode videos right
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[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> OpenMAX doesn't "do" anything, it's a standard for an API
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[12:23] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: so you still need the license
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather an api standard
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Some licenses are included, some can be purchased for a few dollars from the foundation
[12:24] <jelly1> i dont think the mpeg2 license will help for mjpeg
[12:24] <ShiftPlusOne> me neither, but again - not sure
[12:24] <jelly1> i could spare 2euros ;)
[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm.....
[12:25] <ShiftPlusOne> And old post on their site... "We should be able to support VP8, MJPG and Theora, as I believe they are license free."
[12:25] <jelly1> hrrm
[12:25] <jelly1> vp8 is free
[12:25] <jelly1> theora duh
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[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's best to make a forum post where someone from the foundation can address why mjpg isn't accelerated when using openmax. (If that is the case)
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[12:26] <jelly1> i dont use openmax :P
[12:26] <jelly1> standard gstreamer
[12:26] <jelly1> first i will have to build it ;)
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[12:27] <jelly1> openmax is just an API to talk with the blob of raspberrypi right
[12:27] <ShiftPlusOne> yes, also used in android phones.
[12:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know if anyone got gst-openmax working on the pi though
[12:28] <jelly1> i am going to try
[12:28] <jelly1> ;)
[12:28] <jelly1> but i think i need to build openmax first hrrm
[12:28] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6852
[12:28] <jelly1> yup seen it :)
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[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> So.... what are you doing exactly?
[12:29] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: researching
[12:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, I meant what's the application of what you're trying to do. Why do you need accelerated mjpg decoding?
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[12:31] <jelly1> Opencv
[12:31] <jelly1> cause i need all the avaliable CPU to run detections
[12:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ah =/
[12:31] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: i was also looking into letting opencv use the gpu
[12:32] <jelly1> http://docs.opencv.org/doc/tutorials/gpu/gpu-basics-similarity/gpu-basics-similarity.html#gpubasicssimilarity :p
[12:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I am assuming that when their camera module is released it will be handled by the gpu, so that should help
[12:33] <jelly1> still opencv will be slow
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[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> why? the gpu does opencv, doesn't it?
[12:34] <jelly1> i dont think so
[12:34] <viric> neither do I
[12:34] <ShiftPlusOne> Well... that conflicts with what my brain is telling me
[12:35] <jelly1> thats another problem i am facing
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[12:36] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: if the gpu supports opencl it would be doable ;)
[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah, I was thinking of openvg >.>
[12:36] <opieng> would the pi support a hdmi to svga cable to plug the pi to my old monitor?
[12:36] <KidBeta> i dont get why broadcom are keeping all the gpu stuff secret
[12:36] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1: there are way to run code on the gpu from within linux, but right now it would need to be in assembly (videocore) afaik
[12:37] <KidBeta> ShiftPlusOne oohh. sounds like fun.
[12:37] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: there is an api
[12:37] <KidBeta> any links
[12:37] <jelly1> well rpc calls
[12:37] <opieng> some like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gold-1-8m-HDMI-Male-to-SVGA-VGA-M-Converter-A-V-Cable-/220740162203?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item336523929b
[12:37] <jelly1> http://elinux.org/RPi_VideoCore_APIs
[12:37] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/VideoCore-Kernels-under-Linux https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv/wiki/VideoCore-IV-Programmers-Manual
[12:37] <jelly1> KidBeta: cause broadcom loves keeping stuff closed
[12:38] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: you have to interact with the binary blob yes
[12:38] <jelly1> raspberrypi foundation failed ther
[12:38] <jelly1> *there
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[12:38] <jelly1> the said that the GPU driver was ' opensourced' http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=135109499020826&w=2
[12:38] <jelly1> anyway cloning gst-omx :)
[12:39] <viric> jelly1: that's only the client rpc to the gpu
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1: given their goals, they didn't have options. It was either jump on the opportunity or shelve the idea.
[12:39] <jelly1> viric: yes
[12:39] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: sure
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> and their clearly said that ARM userland is opensources... it's the title
[12:39] <jelly1> its pretty remarkable the let broadcom open it
[12:39] <viric> It's similar to saying that a library is open source, because its header file is in source form
[12:39] <ShiftPlusOne> they didn't say the gpu firmware is opensources
[12:39] <viric> ;)
[12:39] <jelly1> viric: hehe
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[12:40] <jelly1> anyway i will try gstreamer + openmax
[12:40] <jelly1> i dont think i am ready to try to get opencv interact with the gpu :p
[12:40] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on what you were expecting.... I would have never thought that they (broadcom) would even consider opensourcing the gpu
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[12:42] <KidBeta> so theres a way to get say openCL running on the GPU / etc. atm
[12:42] <jelly1> no
[12:42] <jelly1> openGL
[12:43] <jelly1> KidBeta: http://elinux.org/RPi_VideoCore_APIs
[12:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Given the progress hermanhermitage and the like are making, I wouldn't be surprised if there is an open source implementation of the firmware within the next few years.
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[12:43] <ShiftPlusOne> but ofcourse I am being optimistic there
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[12:46] <mgottschlag> heh... next few years? my plan is to get something "usable" (=starts the arm core and supports some basic hardware) within 1 year max. :D
[12:46] <mgottschlag> (that requires a compiler though, and that will probably slow things down)
[12:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd be pretty excited to see that
[12:46] <jelly1> crap
[12:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I just think that once you get to that stage, you'll have a lot more people jumping on board and working on it
[12:47] <jelly1> i think opencv uses ffmpeg
[12:47] <jelly1> :p
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[12:47] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: maybe i am too spoiled :p
[12:47] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: with my laptop i can use cuda to make openCV faster ;)
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[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> mgottschlag: wasn't one of you working on getting gcc working as well? Or is that still a long way off?
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[12:48] <jelly1> why wouldnt gcc work
[12:48] <mgottschlag> mm120 is, but it will take quite some time I guess
[12:48] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1: talking about videocore, not arm.
[12:49] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: oh
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[12:49] <KidBeta> probably want a assembler first
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[12:49] <mgottschlag> KidBeta: he ported binutils already
[12:50] <jelly1> :o
[12:50] <KidBeta> holy shit really?
[12:50] <mgottschlag> not 100% working though, but very usable for what we do with it
[12:50] <KidBeta> nice
[12:50] <ShiftPlusOne> KidBeta: I understand the excitement, but... topic.
[12:50] <KidBeta> sorry
[12:51] <KidBeta> different parts of the world have different defintions of foul :P
[12:51] <mgottschlag> https://github.com/mm120/binutils-vc4/commits/vc4
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[12:51] <ShiftPlusOne> We are going by Reggie's Queen's English here. >.>
[12:51] <Opinie> what are those servers called, where you have information like the cpu freq of your pi and its temperature etc?
[12:52] <KidBeta> ShiftPlusOne it appears a lot of the assembly instructions are missing.
[12:53] <ShiftPlusOne> KidBeta: I am not involved in this myself, I am just trying to follow along as much as I can. As far as I know, it's not all on the wiki.
[12:53] <KidBeta> ah okay
[12:54] <KidBeta> id like to take a stab at some of it ive never done some reversing before but id like to get involved.
[12:54] <mgottschlag> huh, "a lot"? the whole vector stuff is missing, but besides that and some system management instructions, it is mostly complete
[12:54] <KidBeta> yeah
[12:56] <jelly1> hmm gst-omx isnt that big :o
[12:57] <KidBeta> id be interested in just knowing how they worked all that stuff out.
[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> KidBeta: https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv check the readme
[12:58] <ShiftPlusOne> patent applications, trial and error, emulation and so on
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[12:59] <KidBeta> ah
[13:01] <gazzwi86> I'm using pyaudio and getting the following error:
[13:01] <gazzwi86> FORMAT
[13:01] <[deXter]> Hi all, anyone managed to successfully use the RPi to wake up a windows box?
[13:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Then once you have a big chunk, I suppose disassembling and filling in the blanks becomes easier as well. And once you have uart working you have a lot of possibilities there.
[13:01] <gazzwi86> IOError: [Errno Invalid output device (no default output device)] -9996
[13:01] <gazzwi86> how do i set a default device for pyaudio
[13:02] <Jck_true> [deXter]: WakeOnLan packages?
[13:02] <[deXter]> Jck_true, yeah
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[13:02] <KidBeta> ShiftPlusOne i presume UART would have been used by broadcom to debug the device
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[13:02] <mgottschlag> broadcom also has JTAG
[13:03] <Jck_true> [deXter]: etherwake
[13:03] <mgottschlag> and probably a very good system simulator :)
[13:03] <Jck_true> [deXter]: Hmm there's a tool named "wakeonlan" which apprently is a bit more modern :)
[13:04] <KidBeta> mgottschlag if only we could get access to it.
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[13:06] <[deXter]> Jck_true, I've been using "wol", it looks like it's working, so I'm not sure if it's an issue with the windows box itself..
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[13:07] <Jck_true> [deXter]: Well WakeOnLan is just as much a matter of the recieving end
[13:08] <Jck_true> [deXter]: Where you specificly running into trouble? :)
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[13:08] <[deXter]> Jck_true, the part where it doesn't wake up the PC? :)
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[13:08] <[deXter]> It looks like the packets are being sent; I see the light blinking on the eth port
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[13:08] <[deXter]> I've enabled WoL both in the BIOS as well as the driver's properties in Windows..
[13:09] <[deXter]> MAC address is correct, confirmed via arp -a
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[13:09] <Jck_true> You could try a packet sniffer on a secondary machine
[13:10] <Jck_true> Other than that you seem to have it very covered :)
[13:10] <[deXter]> Lol nvm
[13:10] <[deXter]> I just went to my mobo manufacturer's website
[13:10] <[deXter]> there's a BIOS update that fixes it, apparently
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[13:12] <Freshcoat> Hello Guys !
[13:13] <Freshcoat> Are there people who using there PI with a WIFI Dongle?
[13:13] <[deXter]> I do
[13:13] <Freshcoat> Great,
[13:13] <Freshcoat> You did a speedtest as well?
[13:13] <[deXter]> hmm, haven't actually
[13:13] <[deXter]> lemme check
[13:13] <Freshcoat> I am intrested in the speed on local network :)
[13:14] <[deXter]> oh
[13:14] <Jck_true> The 700-900kB/sec my router could handle - So i can't help you much there
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[13:14] <KameSense> hello
[13:14] <Jck_true> But that was back in the day with the unstable USB stack that would randomly kernel panic
[13:14] <[deXter]> Freshcoat, well I can't give you any numbers but I'm able to stream 4-5GB 1080p H.264 video files just fine :)
[13:15] <Freshcoat> deXter, you know where I want to go I think hehe?.
[13:15] <[deXter]> :)
[13:15] <Freshcoat> Tried already some bigger files as well?
[13:15] <Freshcoat> 10gb?
[13:15] <KameSense> my raspbian doesn't automatically bring back the network, how can I do that ?
[13:15] <[deXter]> Freshcoat, nah haven't tried yet, will try this weekend
[13:16] <[deXter]> but it should handle it just fine
[13:16] <Freshcoat> U turned the pi into turbo mode?
[13:16] <[deXter]> yeah
[13:16] <Freshcoat> OK, :)
[13:16] <Freshcoat> What kind of dongle you use?
[13:17] <Freshcoat> A week ago I tried a mini dongle but it was to heavy lol
[13:17] <[deXter]> Alfa 802.11n high-power USB adapter with 5dBi antenna
[13:17] <Jck_true> Why Why Why did they have to call it "Turbo Mode" - Brings back memories to thoose desktop from elementary school with MS-DOS and a turbo button that made absolutly no diffence...
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[13:17] <[deXter]> Jck_true, because that's what Intel is calling it as well now
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[13:18] <Freshcoat> Jck_true , It make sense!
[13:18] <Freshcoat> This turbo mode works
[13:19] <Freshcoat> Putting the PI into that 'Turbo mode' thing solved my stutter at 1080p / 12GB movies.
[13:19] <Jck_true> But I haven't got a suitable router to test it again - "2.4 GHz 2800mW High Power 802.11b/g USB 2.0 Wireless Network Dongle with 9dBi Antenna"
[13:20] <KidBeta> its probably called turbo because it doesnt constantly clock it higher
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[13:20] <Jck_true> but 2800mW does sorta seem to spoil the coverage for anybody with 3-4 miles range :)
[13:21] <KidBeta> lol
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[13:39] <Opinie> what are the kind of web servers called, where people their pi's set up etc?
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[13:43] <elyob> Have an SD card which keeps corrupting after use .. looking for a decent one personally recommended for purchase in the UK?
[13:43] <_mru_> sandisk
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[13:43] <elyob> Have tried loads.
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[13:45] <Jck_true> Opinie: What you mean? Blogs?
[13:45] <Opinie> nah
[13:45] <Opinie> just a sec
[13:45] <Jck_true> elyob: Running any strange software?
[13:46] <elyob> Jck_true: Not really. Just an apache server with PHP & MySQL
[13:46] <Jck_true> elyob: Write heavy apps can be rough on your SD cards...
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[13:49] <Jck_true> Opinie: Anything in your MySQL server that generates loads of queries?
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[13:49] <Opinie> Jck_true: I was thinking like raspcontrol, but a page that just basically shows basic information about your pi
[13:49] <Jck_true> Opinie: And you might just be unlucky and have card with a bad sector
[13:49] <Opinie> yeah my card's really not great
[13:50] <Opinie> not complaining though
[13:50] <Jck_true> Opinie: webiopi?
[13:50] <Jck_true> http://code.google.com/p/webiopi/
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[13:51] <Opinie> Jck_true: no, like this http://keschy.dlinkddns.com/sysinfo/
[13:51] <Opinie> that's not the most aesthetic one though
[13:51] <Opinie> atouk used to have a pretty one
[13:51] <Jck_true> phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/
[13:51] <Jck_true> Used to run that on my VPS - Can't see why it shouldn't run on the raspberry too
[13:52] <Opinie> oh ok
[13:52] <Opinie> thanks
[13:52] <ShiftPlusOne> or write your own php page to display exactly what and how you want.
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[13:52] <Opinie> mm.. I may try
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[13:54] <Peace-> hey guys i have a problem here with rpi i have installed kate that has a gui
[13:54] <Jck_true> Opinie: And give a shout if you need help -I'm just slowly working my way back to webdevelopment
[13:54] <Peace-> but ... connecting via ssh on rpi i can't lauch i t
[13:54] <Peace-> launch it
[13:54] <Opinie> ok thanks ;-), Jck_true
[13:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: are you running windows or linux on your pc?
[13:54] <Peace-> i did ssh -v -X pi@192.168.0.3
[13:54] <Peace-> linux of course
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[13:54] * PiBot sets mode +v Peace-
[13:55] <Peace-> and it's ok
[13:55] <Peace-> but thne i try to load kate
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Enable x forwading in sshd.conf
[13:55] <Peace-> cannot connect to X server localhost:10.0
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> then launch with -Y (rather than X)
[13:55] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: is not enabled by defaul t?
[13:55] <ShiftPlusOne> shouldn't be
[13:55] <Peace-> mm wtf
[13:55] <Peace-> :D
[13:56] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, that's sshd_config
[13:56] <Peace-> i had understood :P
[13:56] <ShiftPlusOne> don't mix up with ssh_config as some people have
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[13:58] <Jck_true> I've found one thing worse than "no documenation" - that is "wrong documentation"
[13:58] * HoldenC knows what Jck_true means...
[13:59] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: mm X11Forwarding yes
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> then reload sshd
[13:59] <Peace-> enabled by default
[13:59] <Peace-> so it's ok
[13:59] <Jck_true> HoldenC: Pretty sure the developer just copied the manual from a differnt project and simple did a few search replacements so it wouldn't be too obvious
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> on raspbian?
[14:00] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne:yes
[14:00] <Peace-> i just did the dd stuff
[14:00] <Peace-> and booted
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> ssh in with -Y and see if you have DISPLAY set in env
[14:00] <ShiftPlusOne> echo $DISPLAY
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[14:00] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: X11Forwarding yes
[14:00] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: sorry
[14:00] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: localhost:10.0
[14:01] <Peace-> that is display
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> should work then
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> try something simpler than kate, try xterm or something
[14:01] <HoldenC> Jck_true, I see... well in my experience sometimes the only option is to look at the code, but obviously it's also the most time-consuming...
[14:02] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: (lxterminal:5133): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:10.0
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like the problem is on your pc's end, I think
[14:02] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: i guess too
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> xhost +
[14:02] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: i have a router maybe is not configured the firewall ?
[14:03] <ShiftPlusOne> no, if you can ssh in, then the firewall shouldn't affect it
[14:03] <Peace-> infact
[14:03] <ShiftPlusOne> run 'xhost +' on your pc then try again
[14:03] <Peace-> ok
[14:03] <ShiftPlusOne> as user (not root)
[14:04] <viric> ssh -Y, not -X.
[14:04] <Peace-> viric: i did it
[14:04] <viric> did it complain about some xauth thing?
[14:04] <Peace-> ssh -v -Y pi@192.168.0.3
[14:04] <elyob> Jck_true: Iit's a fairly simple app ..
[14:04] <HoldenC> Peace-, in /etc/ssh/ssh_config which one of these two did you enable?
[14:04] <HoldenC> # ForwardX11 no
[14:04] <HoldenC> # ForwardX11Trusted yes
[14:04] <viric> you need xauth in the target.
[14:05] <elyob> Got a Sandisk 32GB, which is as bad as rest
[14:05] <viric> target = ssh target.
[14:05] <ShiftPlusOne> HoldenC: *sshd_config
[14:05] <elyob> PQi 8GB is the most reliable, but is one that corrupts weirdly.
[14:05] <HoldenC> ShiftPlusOne, oh sorry, you're right
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[14:06] <Peace-> ok i did xhost +x in my laptop
[14:06] <Peace-> then i did
[14:06] <ShiftPlusOne> HoldenC: had a guy in here make that mistake and I couldn't figure out how to help him... until he realised there's a difference between the two =/
[14:06] <viric> xhost shouldn't be involved I think.
[14:06] <Peace-> ssh -v -Y pi@192.168.0.3
[14:06] <Peace-> and it doesn't work
[14:06] <viric> Peace-: doesn't it say anything about xauth missing?
[14:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: I'd recommend you run through these and make sure it's all there https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Shell#X11_forwarding
[14:07] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: arch ?
[14:07] <Peace-> viric: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopRL1986.png
[14:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: arch documentation is very versatile.
[14:07] <viric> what is DISPLAY in your local host?
[14:07] <viric> looks like the :0 isn't there.
[14:08] <viric> I'd say "DISPLAY" is wrong *previous* to running ssh.
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Not a fan of kde, but that desktop looks pretty neat though.
[14:09] <Peace-> viric: ocalhost:10.0
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: on the laptop, not pi.
[14:09] <HoldenC> ShiftPlusOne, hmm but in that arch wiki link they talk about "Enable the ForwardX11 option in ssh_config on the client" too
[14:09] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: ah
[14:10] <viric> the ssh problem is local to your laptop. your local ssh process can't connect to X
[14:10] <Peace-> laptop : echo display ==> :0
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[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> HoldenC: then maybe that's something worth checking on his laptop.
[14:10] <viric> damn it. DISPLAY=:0 means /tmp/.X11-unix/X0.
[14:10] <viric> Why ssh says it doesn't exist?
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[14:11] <viric> haven't you run 'ssh pi' twice? :D
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Is x11 forwarding enabled in ssh_config on the laptop?
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[14:11] <HoldenC> yes, Peace- I'd suggest you check that file...
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[14:11] <egrouse> did you connect with -X flag on ssh?
[14:11] <egrouse> or -x
[14:11] <egrouse> its one of them im sure
[14:11] <viric> I bet that Peace- runs "ssh pi" from a session of "ssh pi" :)
[14:11] <Peace-> viric: ShiftPlusOne laptop : echo display ==> :0 rpi echo display ==> ocalhost:10.0 ShiftPlusOne
[14:11] <Peace-> viric: ah
[14:11] <elyob> Is there a recommended size of SD?
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> elyob: whatever will fit your needs.
[14:12] <Peace-> ssh -v -Y pi@192.168.0.3 egrouse
[14:12] <viric> well, lunch.
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: Is x11 forwarding enabled in ssh_config on the laptop?
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> (note that's not sshd_config)
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> if it is, then I give up.
[14:13] <Peace-> viric: i need to run ssh pi ?
[14:13] <Peace-> ssh is not enable by default on debian raspdebian ?
[14:13] <Peace-> :S
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> it is
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> but don't assume defaults, just go through a 'checklist' to rule things out.
[14:16] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopDY1986.png
[14:16] <ShiftPlusOne> that's not what I asked though
[14:16] <Peace-> :S
[14:16] <Peace-> sshd_config ?
[14:16] <Peace-> is not ?
[14:17] <ShiftPlusOne> ssh_config, not sshd_config. on the LAPTOP, not on pi.
[14:17] <Peace-> wtf++
[14:17] <Peace-> srr ShiftPlusOne
[14:18] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopFz1986.png
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[14:18] <ShiftPlusOne> then I give up >_<
[14:18] <Peace-> :(
[14:18] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: tx anyway man
[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[14:20] <ShiftPlusOne> tried pasting the error about X0 missing?
[14:20] <ShiftPlusOne> (into google)
[14:22] <Peace-> i need to go i will be here in 3-4 hours
[14:22] <Peace-> :D tx
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[14:22] <Peace-> hey here is 2.30 pm
[14:22] <Peace-> :D
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[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne> When you get back check that /tmp/.X11-unix is actually there and if it's not, figure out why the hell not.
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[14:24] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: sure man :D
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[15:12] <Disconnect> damn. my pi crashed and i'm at work. i almost stuck my head in before i left to make sure it was ok but i was running late :/
[15:13] <Jck_true> Disconnect: Why I got my Rasp hooked up in our server room at work :)
[15:13] <egrouse> did it??? Disconnect ?
[15:14] * egrouse laughs by himself
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[15:14] <Disconnect> Jck_true: heh. mine is replacing a couple of general-purpose home servers, so being at home is kinda a requirement
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[15:16] <Disconnect> its half-crashed. annoying. ssh banner shows but it bombs before auth
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[15:18] <Disconnect> i need to figure out a watchdog for it.
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[15:19] <Jck_true> Sort of a half teaser - But would a 6 part daily tutorial for interfacing with a display like this be usefull?
[15:19] <Jck_true> http://dx.com/p/jy-mcu-16x-digital-tube-yellow-led-module-104311?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
[15:19] <viric> Peace-: gave up?
[15:19] <Jck_true> Not gonna focus so much on the aspects of coding - but more the theory in implementing the protocol?
[15:20] <Disconnect> Jck_true: tutorials are always awesome but iirc that style of lcd has been covered a few times
[15:21] <Jck_true> Suppose you're right - :)
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[15:29] <Nachtengel> Good morning.
[15:30] <Armand> Afternoon. :)
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[15:31] <Nachtengel> That too.
[15:31] <Armand> ;)
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[15:31] <Armand> I just setup basic firewall on Raspbian.. seems to be working ok. :)
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[15:34] <Nachtengel> Nice.
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[15:35] <Armand> Well, I've not used iptables before.. I was worried that I might block myself out. :P
[15:35] <Armand> I only have ssh access to my Pi.
[15:36] <PhotoJim> Armand: you can always fix it by console, if you can plug an HDMI cable into it.
[15:36] <Armand> I mean, I could connect to the TV if needs-be.. but..
[15:36] <Armand> ^ :)
[15:36] <PhotoJim> or... duplicate your SD card, then boot up again, make your changes. if it breaks, put your old card back in.
[15:36] <Armand> Ahhh, yes... I could put the SD into my laptop. :P
[15:37] <Armand> Just glad I didn't screw it up, really. ^_^
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[15:39] <timmmaaaay> if i run my pi headless, i should probably optimize the RAM allocated to the GPU, correct? do i use config.txt or start.elf (i have the 256 Mb verision)
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[15:41] <neilr> I used raspi-config on my headless server to change the memory allocation.
[15:41] <Patagonicus> timmmaaaay: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Memory You can use gpu_mem in config.txt to change it. I haven't tested anything below the default of 64 yet, but I imagine the minimum of 16 should still work headless.
[15:42] <timmmaaaay> that's what i'm reading???.but it looks like it says i need to use:
[15:42] <timmmaaaay> Before the introduction of the 512MB Raspberry PI additional GPU firmware images (start.elf files) were delivered, to be copied over start.elf to use them:
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[15:43] <Armand> timmmaaaay, I use the 16MB setting myself on raspbian.
[15:44] <Patagonicus> timmmaaaay: Pretty sure they are no longer used. There's even a specific setting only the 256MB version will use.
[15:44] <timmmaaaay> i have the 256
[15:44] <timmmaaaay> well i have both???and i want to tinker with both???.starting with the 256
[15:45] <Patagonicus> timmmaaaay: Just try it. Set the option and see how much memory Linux reports. Should be very close to 256MB - 16MB = 240MB
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[15:47] <timmmaaaay> ok i'll give er a go. the pi is remote so i didn't wanna break it and have it not boot back up
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[15:51] <timmmaaaay> do i need to upgrade firmware before doing this? my config.txt doesn't even have gpu_mem configured
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[15:52] <DeusFigendi> hi
[15:53] <timmmaaaay> oh wait???..i guess whatever i have listed in config.txt is what tells the pi which start.elf file to use?
[15:53] <timmmaaaay> is that how this works?
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[16:03] <satellit> In Terminal:sudo su Password cp /boot/arm240_start.elf /boot/start.elf works for RPi 256
[16:04] <satellit> timmmaaay^
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[16:06] <timmmaaaay> ok cool???. so just to clarify???..is that the old firmware mehtod, the new firmware method, or it firmware completely unrelated?
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[16:07] <satellit> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi#Update_firmware look at full section...
[16:07] <timmmaaaay> ahh awesome. worked like a champ. free -m shows 232 now instead of 184
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[16:09] <timmmaaaay> thank you
[16:09] <satellit> yw have fun
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[16:10] <viric> does vp8 decode fast in the pi?
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[16:48] <ozymandias_> anyone have any strong opinions on which of the xbmc distros for the pi perform the best?
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[16:56] <Disconnect> ozymandias_: i'm a big fan of raspbmc
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[16:56] <Disconnect> (and the OE guys keep ddosing him. as a sysadmin/security guy that makes me irritable..)
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> afternoon oh pi peeps.
[17:03] <neilr> 'ello
[17:03] <egrouse> oh hi pi
[17:04] <egrouse> i instantly get an idea for a raspbi based audio media center called HiPi
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:04] <neilr> Could it be wireless? A wifihipi ?
[17:04] <egrouse> :D
[17:04] <ozymandias_> Disconnect: OE?
[17:05] <ozymandias_> openelec
[17:05] <ozymandias_> God why
[17:05] <ozymandias_> Can't we all just get along ;)
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> OEeeeeeee: The noise made by Linux people when forced onto a Win PC...
[17:05] <ozymandias_> I've been pretty happy with raspbmc so far; I've had some network throughput issues that I haven't sorted out yet, but for the most part, its great
[17:05] <Armand> gordonDrogon! .o/
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> So the person behind openelec launches ddos attacks against the person behind raspbmc?
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> that's quite a serious allegation if it's true..
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[17:12] <ozymandias_> incidentally, has anyone had to play much with config_hdmi_boost ?
[17:12] <Disconnect> gordonDrogon: several of the people behind openelec, and at least once it was prefaced by a public post on one of their social media sites. and i've seen it happen a couple of times. (most recent one i saw, an OE dev was trolling in #raspbmc and when they stopped feeding him, a ddos started. literally within 30 seconds.)
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[17:32] <DeusFigendi> hey, I JUST brought my first Pi the first time to run...
[17:32] <DeusFigendi> ...I new I'd need a USB-Keyboard and don't have one but I wated to try :D
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[17:33] <DeusFigendi> but now... can I manipulate in some way the image to be networkable on 1st boot? maybe with a virtual mashine or something?
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[17:36] <MIG-> has anyone used Richard Ghirst's ServoBlaster ?
[17:36] <MIG-> to control pwm motors
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[17:36] <MIG-> I'm curious if the driver can be modified to change the pwm operation mode to send a single PWM signal
[17:36] <MIG-> instead of a constant pwm signal
[17:37] <MIG-> *Richard Hirst
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[17:51] <DeusFigendi> okay any other idea than mine to "work" with the pi without a USB-Keyboard? :D
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[17:52] <captbaritone> DeusFigendi: Have you tried logging in via ssh?
[17:52] <DeusFigendi> no I haven't... howto?
[17:52] <viric> DeusFigendi: the raspbian image had a working ssh, and got an ip by dhcp, at first run
[17:52] <DeusFigendi> is it preconfigured in some way?
[17:52] <viric> DeusFigendi: where you got the download link of the image, talks about the username to get in.
[17:52] <DeusFigendi> what I see now is "raspi config"
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[17:53] <DeusFigendi> that is far enough?
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[17:53] <captbaritone> DeusFigendi: Where do you see that?
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[17:53] <DeusFigendi> captbaritone, on my TV-Set ;D
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[17:53] <DeusFigendi> (I dont have any HDMI-Device so I used the chinch-thingy)
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[17:54] <viric> composite video ftw
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[17:54] <_mru_> eeew
[17:54] <DeusFigendi> jep (alway forget if its composed or composite or c...whatever)
[17:54] <Kane> o/
[17:55] <DeusFigendi> so you tell me I can just SSH?
[17:55] <captbaritone> DeusFigendi: If the Pi is on, you can access it via SSH
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[17:55] <DeusFigendi> great
[17:55] <captbaritone> (At least with the disto I used)
[17:55] <DeusFigendi> thanks so far :D
[17:55] <DeusFigendi> erm I'm using the "weezy" 'couse the website said its for beginners best
[17:55] <DeusFigendi> an this is my first boot of a pi
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[17:58] <captbaritone> DeusFigendi: Thats what I have as well.
[17:58] <DeusFigendi> cool
[17:58] <DeusFigendi> so I'll give it an ethernet-cable XD
[17:58] <rymate1234> DeusFigendi, you also need internet for ssh
[17:59] <DeusFigendi> (atm it's just power and display)
[17:59] <DeusFigendi> I do?
[17:59] <rymate1234> olol
[17:59] <rymate1234> I mean the pi needs ethernet
[17:59] <DeusFigendi> sure
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[17:59] <rymate1234> yay for confusing descriptions
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[17:59] <rymate1234> ^_^
[17:59] <DeusFigendi> I just wanted to see if it runs in any way as a first step
[17:59] <DeusFigendi> so now I don't need a display any longer jejj
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[18:00] <captbaritone> I don't have a usb keyboard OR a TV, or a monitor with HDMI, so SSH was my only option. ;)
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[18:07] <DeusFigendi> hum... I cannot see it's IP in my Router... will it reply on ping?
[18:10] <pksato> RPi take two minutes or more to network work properly.
[18:10] <Cheery> dakerfp: sup?
[18:10] <DeusFigendi> pksato, I have display, I know it's running XD
[18:12] <captbaritone> DeusFigendi: Should reply to ping.
[18:12] <DeusFigendi> k
[18:13] <captbaritone> you could try arp -a
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[18:14] <pksato> ip is show on boot screen.
[18:14] <DeusFigendi> ow?
[18:15] <DeusFigendi> arp didnt help
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[18:18] <pksato> ah, ok, raspbian is not completd first boot config.
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[18:19] <pksato> and setup screen overlap boot messages.
[18:23] <pksato> My first rpi boot is done without keyboard, I forgot to connect one. And filmed this disaster.
[18:24] <DeusFigendi> o.O
[18:25] <DeusFigendi> im running nmap atm.
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[18:28] <DeusFigendi> hm
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[18:28] <DeusFigendi> I didn't see any IP while booting :/
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[18:30] <dakerfp> Cheery: hi
[18:30] <DeusFigendi> found it
[18:30] <DeusFigendi> thanks guys :D
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[18:31] <Cheery> dakerfp: how are you doing with the code?
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[18:34] <captbaritone> DeusFigendi: What was the secret?
[18:34] <DeusFigendi> dunno
[18:35] <DeusFigendi> maybe the ether-plug wasnt "in" realy ;D
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[18:35] <Torikun> oi
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[18:42] <dakerfp> it's fine
[18:42] <dakerfp> I hadn't time to going deeper on it
[18:42] <dakerfp> but my next task is to make the example a bit more complex
[18:45] <dakerfp> Cheery: maybe a blog post about a minimal compositor
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[19:11] <Nachtengel> I don't think I like this IRC client...
[19:12] <dipstick> ?
[19:12] <Nachtengel> qicr for Android.
[19:13] <dipstick> find another?
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[19:16] <ParkerR_> Nachtengel, I either use AndroIRC or AncChat
[19:16] <ParkerR_> *AndChat
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[19:18] <Nachtengel> AndChat seems the best one so far.
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[19:25] <ParkerR_> Heh the tic-tac seems giant http://minecrafted.mooo.com:8080/?action=stream
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[19:29] <DeusFigendi> hmm is any browser installed in weez? I tried links and lynx and link2 and w3m but none worked
[19:29] <ParkerR_> DeusFigendi, I think you need to install one
[19:29] <DeusFigendi> okay
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[19:32] <Cheery> dakerfp: I can help you at that.
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[19:32] <Essobi> So it turns out one of my pi's is just REALLY unstable..
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[20:06] <mranostay> Jihad!
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[20:07] <Cheery> YAAAAAAH!
[20:09] <buZz> ja?
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[20:49] <dakerfp> Cheery: for sure :-)
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[20:51] <Peace-> :S connect /tmp/.X11-unix/X0: No such file or directory
[20:52] <Peace-> i can't figure out how to fix this
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Still on about that? =p
[20:52] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: sure :D
[20:52] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: well now i am at home
[20:52] <Peace-> after my car left me in the middle of the street dead
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Google doesn't say anything interesting. When I looked there were many people with similar problems. I didn't check the replies they had though.
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> That first part was meant to be a question
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[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Did your car leave you dead or did the car itself die?
[20:54] <Peace-> battery :P
[20:54] <Peace-> was dead
[20:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Ok, because if you were left dead in the middle of the street, that's a pretty good recovery.
[20:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyway, I'll look into it again.
[20:54] <buZz> Peace-: so YOU left the battery :)
[20:54] <Elspuddy> question, what program do i need to install so i can make a fat32 partision in gparted ?
[20:54] <Peace-> buZz: lol
[20:55] <buZz> Peace-: you should have monitored the battery
[20:55] <Peace-> well .. buZz i am lazy
[20:55] <Peace-> :P
[20:55] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: what distro's on your laptop?
[20:56] <Peace-> kubuntu of course
[20:56] <Peace-> always cuz i am lazy
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> no, not of course >=/
[20:56] <Peace-> even if i develop something
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[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> do you have the socket file?
[20:57] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: no i have not :D
[20:57] <Peace-> i have checked
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> so... your X is somehow misconfigured =/
[20:57] <Peace-> infact
[20:57] <Peace-> but i can't undestand why
[20:57] <Peace-> maybe it's a bug
[20:57] <Peace-> or or :D
[20:58] <ShiftPlusOne> people are saying to run 'xhost +localhost' but I don't think that's the problem you're having
[20:59] <buZz> Peace-: then THAT is the problem with your car ;)
[20:59] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: btw i have tried and it did not work
[20:59] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: i tried even this
[20:59] <Peace-> strace -e connect xlogo
[20:59] <Peace-> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"}, 20) = 0
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[20:59] <Peace-> in my laptop
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[21:00] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: btw are you english \ american ?
[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Australian
[21:01] <Peace-> :)) just because when you write i learn better english
[21:01] <Peace-> so i can trust your way
[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Bad idea
[21:01] <Peace-> lol
[21:02] <frikinz> Peace-: you tried /etc/init.d/x11-common start ?
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[21:03] <buZz> so, is there any webbrowser i could run on raspbian that doesnt suck?
[21:03] <Peace-> frikinz: well where , on my computer or on rpi ?
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[21:03] <frikinz> Peace-: don't know, where you have the problem of the socket :) didn't read all
[21:04] <Peace-> mmm
[21:04] <Peace-> :D
[21:04] <Disconnect> buZz: basically, no. with OC chromium works somewhat, but not great. midori and dillo are basically both text-only-browsers with image support.
[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: x11 forwarding isn't working for him, all of the essentials in sshd_config and ssh_config are correct on the client and the server.
[21:04] <Disconnect> buZz: I just remote-X (or vnc depending) from a more powerful machine
[21:04] <Peace-> Disconnect: qupzilla ?
[21:05] <Peace-> is webkit and qt
[21:05] <Peace-> but forget videocalling :D
[21:05] <Disconnect> ShiftPlusOne: if he's doing x11 forwarding then something is unsetting/changing his DISPLAY variable. otherwise it would be :10/:11 instead of :0..
[21:05] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: ah ok, not really what I thought :) and xauth is on the server I guess
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> his DISPLAY is :10 when ssh'ed in and :0 on the laptop.
[21:05] <Peace-> yep
[21:06] <frikinz> well x11-common creates this socket. just wanted to say that :)
[21:07] <Peace-> mm
[21:08] <Peace-> well i can try
[21:08] <buZz> Disconnect: hmm meh :(
[21:08] <buZz> Disconnect: hope cubieboard will be a bit more able to run a normal webbrowser
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[21:09] <Peace-> frikinz: :P see this http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopdc1986.png
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[21:09] <Peace-> frikinz: sudo ?
[21:10] <frikinz> Peace-: yes ;)
[21:10] <Peace-> :P
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> can you 'ls -la /tmp/.X11-unix' ?
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, nvrm...
[21:10] <Peace-> ok
[21:11] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, if you didn't use sudo, then nvrm. I just thought your permissions were horribly wrong for a second.
[21:11] <Peace-> ok i did everything
[21:12] <Peace-> but it says no :P
[21:12] <ShiftPlusOne> just 'no' ?
[21:12] <Peace-> sudo /etc/init.d/x11-common start => no output
[21:12] <Peace-> thne
[21:12] <Peace-> ssh -v -Y pi@192.168.0.3
[21:12] <Peace-> kate
[21:12] <Peace-> and of course
[21:13] <Peace-> connect /tmp/.X11-unix/X0: No such file or directory
[21:13] <Peace-> debug1: failure x11
[21:13] <Peace-> kate: cannot connect to X server localhost:10.0
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[21:15] <frikinz> I get [ ok ] Setting up X socket directories... /tmp/.X11-unix /tmp/.ICE-unix.
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Which distro?
[21:16] <frikinz> debian
[21:16] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd expect kubuntu to behave similarly then =/
[21:16] <frikinz> I expect ubuntu to not remove log ouput. but you never know
[21:17] <frikinz> so maybe the X server is configured to forbid UNIX or tcp connections?
[21:17] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: kubuntu is debian +shit
[21:17] <Peace-> lol
[21:17] <frikinz> like -notcp
[21:17] <frikinz> Peace-: can you do ps -ef | grep /X
[21:17] <frikinz> on the laptop
[21:18] <Peace-> frikinz: i guess there is some winner here ... root 1286 1215 2 Dec05 tty7 00:42:50 /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-hdNOab
[21:18] <frikinz> Can't remember if X uses tcp or unix for X forwarding :)
[21:20] <frikinz> so yes, it uses unix socket which is.... /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 :)
[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> just format everything and install mint or something
[21:21] <frikinz> Peace-: does X forwarding work to the localhost?
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[21:21] <ShiftPlusOne> ah good question
[21:21] <frikinz> Peace-: ssh -X localhost
[21:21] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: what? lol
[21:21] <frikinz> Peace-: and then xmessage "meh"
[21:21] <frikinz> I guess not
[21:21] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: ok you can kill me i said i am lazy :P
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[21:22] <frikinz> that's your last chance before formating, as you want :)
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: you've been going on about this X11 forwarding thing for hours... surely that takes some energy.
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[21:22] <zzzoid> my RPi won't boot. Kernel Panic No init found
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> could've had a shiny new distro by now.
[21:22] <zzzoid> can i repeat it?
[21:22] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: oh well i am listing music D
[21:23] <buZz> zzzoid: sounds like the SD card is corrupt
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> something about bananas, yes, I saw.
[21:23] <Peace-> :D
[21:23] <zzzoid> EXT4-fs delete inode ref
[21:23] <buZz> warpdrive enabled
[21:23] <frikinz> I've been fighting with scratchbox the whole day. painfull
[21:23] <zzzoid> can it be fixed or do I start again with fresh SD
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: what's the problem?
[21:23] <buZz> zzzoid: try fsck
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[21:23] <zzzoid> ENtering kdb
[21:24] <buZz> keyboard?
[21:24] <zzzoid> can I fsck from kdb
[21:24] <buZz> whats kdb?
[21:24] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: building a package :) in the philosphy of sb2. and 2 bugs I already found and patched
[21:24] <zzzoid> no idea
[21:24] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: btw you ahve some point
[21:24] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: you're using it?
[21:24] <zzzoid> Entering kdb pid 1 due to keyboard entry
[21:24] <zzzoid> kdb>
[21:24] <zzzoid> I have no keyboard connected
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: I have used scratchbox2 and haven't had many problems.
[21:24] <zzzoid> I was hoping to ssh
[21:25] <buZz> zzzoid: kernel debugger
[21:25] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: did you build a debian package?
[21:25] <zzzoid> ah
[21:25] <buZz> you dont need it
[21:25] <zzzoid> can i fix the partition from kdb
[21:25] <buZz> its probably easier to fix the SD card on a different computer
[21:25] <zzzoid> ok
[21:25] <zzzoid> can I fix it from a mac?
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: nope, do debian packages get compiled normally and then packaged into a deb file?
[21:25] <buZz> i dont know, i dont believe macs are usefull at all
[21:25] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: I'm trying to get some high level tools of debian being run on the host and the minimum being done in the target
[21:26] <buZz> zzzoid: or do you run linux on it?
[21:26] <zzzoid> osx and win7
[21:26] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: yes, more or less, the autotools are called but there are a lot of surrounding on top of this.
[21:26] <buZz> zzzoid: yes linux is awesome
[21:26] <Peace-> frikinz: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopU17655.png
[21:26] <zzzoid> buZz, I have linux fedora on my older VAIO
[21:27] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: the easy lazy slow solution is to do everything IN the targer with sb2 -eR dpkg-buildpackage etc..
[21:27] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: I'd do the build normally and then package with the -eR options. Is that how you.... yeah... that.
[21:27] <buZz> zzzoid: the vaio sounds better then
[21:27] <zzzoid> buZz, can I use that to fix it
[21:27] <buZz> if you are able to access a SD card on it?
[21:27] <zzzoid> do I just insert it and run fsck
[21:27] <zzzoid> hmm
[21:28] <zzzoid> probably with a usb card reader I have
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[21:28] <zzzoid> or adapter
[21:28] <zzzoid> ok so say I have it started up
[21:28] <frikinz> Peace-: you're really doing ssh -X localhost right? (even if sshconfig is set, just to be sure)
[21:28] <zzzoid> then what
[21:28] <Peace-> frikinz: i did it but i am not sure of sshconfig
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: given that the socket is missing in the first place, I don't expect anything to work until he sorts that out.
[21:28] <buZz> zzzoid: insert SD card, read the last lines in dmesg
[21:29] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: yes
[21:29] <Armand> Well... I just confirmed that my soldering skills SUCK! :P
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> (including ssh localhost -X)
[21:29] <buZz> Armand: cool, improve them
[21:29] <frikinz> Peace-: sudo -i; sh -x /etc/init.d/x11-common restart
[21:29] <Armand> buZz, trying..
[21:29] <frikinz> Peace-: I mean, sudo -i first and then sh -x ..
[21:30] <Peace-> done
[21:30] <buZz> Armand: i went to a solder workshop just two days ago, many first-time solderers who learned to do it excellent within an hour
[21:30] <Peace-> frikinz: done
[21:30] <Armand> I'm rusty. -_-
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[21:30] <buZz> over 65 yrs old?
[21:30] <Armand> Nearly. :P
[21:30] <Armand> Only 31 years off it... lol
[21:30] <buZz> lol
[21:30] <frikinz> Peace-: but you have to make us a nice copy screen of the sh -x output
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[21:31] <Peace-> frikinz: burning => http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopK17655.png
[21:31] <Armand> doesn't help that it's sub-zero outside. >_<
[21:31] <Peace-> ah
[21:31] <Peace-> sorry
[21:31] <Peace-> i read ssh
[21:32] <Peace-> frikinz: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopj17655.png
[21:32] <frikinz> hope its not too long.
[21:32] <frikinz> I fear it is
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[21:33] <frikinz> Peace-: start not restart
[21:33] <frikinz> :)
[21:33] <Peace-> ah
[21:34] <Peace-> :D
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> didn't know about sh -x .... good feature.
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[21:34] <Peace-> frikinz: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopT17655.png
[21:34] * Peace- likes pastebin widget
[21:35] * ShiftPlusOne would expect a pastebin widget to paste the text rather than take a screenshot =/
[21:35] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: i can do it yes
[21:35] <frikinz> I like "| pastebin -"
[21:36] <frikinz> | pastebinit
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[21:36] <Adnauseam> o/
[21:36] <Adnauseam> anyone's setup a connection to a wpa Enterprise on a raspberry pi ?
[21:37] <buZz> Adnauseam: works the same as on any other linux machine
[21:38] <Adnauseam> not here
[21:38] <Adnauseam> got some issues, wlan0 just disappears after trying to connect and failing
[21:38] <frikinz> hum its only setting up directories actually..
[21:39] <Adnauseam> wpa_gui has no real logging option, is there a way to find its connection logs and scripts ?
[21:40] <Peace-> frikinz: :) i forget always of this pastebint
[21:40] <ShiftPlusOne> probably best to use wpa_supplicant directly rather than through a gui
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[21:40] <Peace-> frikinz: btw :P # sh -x /etc/init.d/x11-common start 2>&1 | pastebinit
[21:41] <frikinz> Peace-: well forget it, x11-common (quite normally) only creates the directory /tmp/.X11-unix which you have
[21:41] <Peace-> frikinz: :D no problem at least we have tried
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[21:41] <Adnauseam> ShiftPlusOne: yeah, i'm no pro at that, but i'm trying. i've found a few scripts and tried using them but i realized now they're not even working on my own wpa2 network where wpa_gui works, so back to that atm and trying to learn more about wpa_supplicant so i could set it up here with logging in order to compare logs
[21:41] <Adnauseam> any good wpa_supplicant guide out there ?
[21:41] <Armand> buZz, I'll get my battery & regulator out later and test this solder job.. I'll let you know if my crappy work causes anything to randomly explode or set on fire. :P
[21:42] <ShiftPlusOne> IIRC the default configuration contains all of the info.
[21:42] <lochlite> Hello. I'm writing a program (c++) to read temperature from a 1wire sensor. I'll be reading aprox. 2 times a second and I am wondering if I should open/read/close the file all the time, or just keep the file open? Any suggestions?
[21:42] <buZz> Armand: lol, nice
[21:42] <frikinz> Peace-: I really wonder how your X on the laptop works :)
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> lochlite: no expert myself, but I would keep it open until you're done with it.
[21:43] <Adnauseam> a question while i'm here, is there something lighter than lxde that's tested for the pi ?
[21:43] <Peace-> frikinz: i am magic lol
[21:43] <Adnauseam> x monad maybe ?
[21:43] <Adnauseam> or fluxbox
[21:43] <Armand> buZz, I just soldered 2 pairs onto a low voltage regulator.. it's going to feed 5v to some USB ports from my 12v solar setup.
[21:43] <ShiftPlusOne> or openbox
[21:43] <Adnauseam> or are there known issues ?
[21:44] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: btw :P The Banana Sessions - Yellow EP$ play 01\ -\ The\ Drunken\ Dormouse.ogg
[21:44] <buZz> Armand: i hope its not a 7805
[21:44] <lochlite> ShiftPlusOne: I'will "never" be done with it. This program will run "forever" doing measurements from 1wire and writing to a oled-display on the i2c bus.
[21:44] <zzzoid> buZz, my sd is not automounting
[21:44] <Armand> LM2596S
[21:45] <buZz> zzzoid: thats good
[21:45] <buZz> zzzoid: you dont want to mount it at all
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[21:45] <Torikun> yo
[21:45] <zzzoid> buZz, oh ok
[21:45] <buZz> zzzoid: did you read the last lines of the dmesg output?
[21:45] <zzzoid> buZz, yeah erm what are we looking for exactly
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[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> lochlite: I meant until you quit the program.
[21:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: you sir, have a strange taste in music.
[21:46] <buZz> zzzoid: the drive that is the SD card, so you will see the partitions on it
[21:46] <Peace-> maybe ;) ShiftPlusOne
[21:46] <lochlite> ShiftPlusOne: That was what I guessed :) Thank you.
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[21:46] * Armand drowns out Peace- with some Yes, at volume!
[21:46] <buZz> weird music?
[21:47] <zzzoid> buZz, it's just about SElinux ? if I remove the card and reinsert it nothing is logged to dmseg but in gnome it appears in my computer but i can't access it
[21:47] <buZz> Peace-: have a youtube link?~
[21:47] <Armand> buZz, LM2596S
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[21:47] <buZz> blegh SElinux
[21:47] <ShiftPlusOne> What is it with Yes? Haven't heard of the band until a few weeks ago and now it's Yes this and Yes that >=/
[21:47] <Armand> O_O
[21:47] <Armand> They've been around since 1960-when ?
[21:47] <Peace-> buZz: nope unlucly there is not
[21:47] <buZz> Armand: ah, switching, awesome :)
[21:47] <buZz> Peace-: booo
[21:47] <Armand> ;)
[21:48] <Peace-> buZz: hihihi
[21:48] <buZz> wow, 3A even
[21:48] <Armand> buZz, I was looking for variable.. as I'm thinking about replacing the onboard 3.3v reg.
[21:48] * buZz was happy in sourcing a free 2.2A switching 5V regulator
[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Armand: surely there are plenty of bands that were around since then that you haven't heard of >.>
[21:48] <Armand> Quite likely.
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, I like the progressive elements in their music (reminds me of Dream Theater), not a fan of the style though
[21:50] <buZz> zzzoid: well, if your SD card is on sdc you would do something like; fsck /dev/sdc1
[21:50] <Peace-> buZz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzEjv1w8A0
[21:50] <buZz> but you need to know which partition it is
[21:50] <buZz> its probably NOT partition 1
[21:50] <buZz> ah it IS on youtube!
[21:51] <buZz> i recognize this voice ..
[21:52] <zzzoid> buZz, ok the problem was the sony card reader. I've used a different external one and now if i do df -h i can see it
[21:52] <zzzoid> buZz, it has two partitions
[21:52] <buZz> all sony hardware is poop anyway :D
[21:52] <zzzoid> buZz, sdd1 and sdd2
[21:52] <buZz> zzzoid: a small one and a big one?
[21:52] <zzzoid> buZz, 56M and 3.6G
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[21:53] <buZz> zzzoid: so, fsck the 3.6G one
[21:53] <buZz> Peace-: she has a sexy bum
[21:53] <zzzoid> buZz, ok , how like fsck /dev/sdd2
[21:53] <Peace-> lol
[21:53] <buZz> zzzoid: yes
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[21:55] <zzzoid> buZz, in ode 37 is in use but has dime set fix?
[21:55] <buZz> what?
[21:55] <zzzoid> buZz, inode and dtime
[21:55] <buZz> oh
[21:55] <buZz> yes
[21:56] <buZz> fix all the errors
[21:56] <buZz> do it
[21:56] <zzzoid> buZz, imagic flag?
[21:56] <zzzoid> buZz, ok
[21:56] <buZz> (you can press Y on all the errors by doing fsck -y /dev/sdd2/)
[21:56] <buZz> iirc
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[21:57] <zzzoid> buZz, ok done
[21:57] <zzzoid> buZz, shall i try with some pie?
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[21:57] <buZz> first run 'sync
[21:57] <buZz>
[21:57] <buZz> '
[21:57] <buZz> just sync :)
[21:57] <buZz> THEN remove the SD card
[21:58] <buZz> and try on teh pi
[21:58] <zzzoid> sync
[21:58] <buZz> sync
[21:58] <buZz> yes
[21:58] <buZz> NOT on irc ;)
[21:58] <zzzoid> sync /dev/sdd2
[21:58] <zzzoid> hehe
[21:58] <zzzoid> like this
[21:58] <viric> sync?
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[21:58] <viric> why would anyone need sync?
[21:58] <buZz> JUST sync
[21:59] <buZz> viric: just flushing the caches
[21:59] <buZz> smart to do when working with SD cards
[21:59] <zzzoid> ok
[21:59] <zzzoid> done
[21:59] <buZz> go test
[21:59] <zzzoid> time for pi
[21:59] <viric> for fsck?
[21:59] <viric> sync won't affect the result of a fsck
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[21:59] <buZz> sync will flush the caches
[22:00] <buZz> especially on weird distros like fedora with SElinux its clever to do sync before removing SD cards
[22:00] <zzzoid> buZz, i get no inode errors this time but i get same no init found
[22:00] <viric> *umount* before removing sd cards should be enough
[22:00] <buZz> viric: this card was never mounted
[22:00] <buZz> just fsck'd
[22:00] <viric> then no sync should matter at all
[22:00] <buZz> you dont have it mounted for fsck
[22:01] <buZz> but fsck DOES do cached writes to the card
[22:01] <buZz> so sync IS smart to do before removing
[22:01] <viric> as for now, I don't believe this
[22:01] <viric> :)
[22:01] <viric> can you make me believe?
[22:01] <zzzoid> buZz, time for reinstall?
[22:01] <buZz> viric: doubtfull
[22:01] <viric> :)
[22:01] <buZz> zzzoid: yeah, just reinstall it then
[22:02] <buZz> viric: i never am able to convince religious ppl of the benefit of polygamy aswell
[22:02] <zzzoid> buZz, why has my SD card corrupted? turbo 1ghz mode?
[22:02] <viric> sync should affect only *mounted filesystems*
[22:02] <viric> nothing more.
[22:02] <buZz> zzzoid: no idea, did you shutdown your raspi properly every time?
[22:02] <zzzoid> shutdown -h -P now
[22:02] <zzzoid> and then unplug
[22:03] <zzzoid> is this ok
[22:03] <zzzoid> people warned me about turbo mode. i thought it was all pi in the sky
[22:04] <buZz> should be ok
[22:04] <buZz> i have no idea
[22:04] <buZz> might have just been a broken SD card
[22:04] <zzzoid> hmm
[22:04] <zzzoid> they are new
[22:04] <buZz> there is a tool called badblocks that scans for (you guessed it)
[22:04] <zzzoid> linux?
[22:04] <viric> buZz: in the kernel, fs/sync.c ... it only affects mounted filesystems.
[22:05] <buZz> viric: well then just color me carefull
[22:05] <viric> no need for that :)
[22:05] <buZz> zzzoid: of course linux
[22:06] <Armand> buZz> viric: i never am able to convince religious ppl of the benefit of polygamy aswell < You'd have a hard time convincing me too.. O_o
[22:06] <viric> if you write to a block device, there is no caching.
[22:06] <buZz> Armand: bah, brainwashed :)
[22:06] <zzzoid> when people refer to the pi firmware do they mean the small fat32 partition?
[22:06] <Armand> Nope. :P
[22:06] <mranostay> ...
[22:06] <viric> There are also people who sync more than once too, before a hard reset. Then they cross fingers.
[22:07] <ShiftPlusOne> zzzoid: some of the files on that partition
[22:07] <buZz> viric: dont forget lighting candles
[22:07] <Armand> I've never been brain-washed, buZz... that's why I have a dirty mind. :P
[22:07] <buZz> viric: the ppl in the datacenter love me :D
[22:07] <viric> buZz: and after lighting, a new sync, right? :)
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[22:07] <buZz> yes i need to write to /proc (mounted) for lighting them of course
[22:07] <viric> buZz: remember to run 'sync', to transmit data properly to your usb soundcard. it could be cached.
[22:08] <viric> :) sorry, I'm just making fun of it. I try to trigger some proof for your arguments, from your side
[22:08] <frikinz> halt is fine for me
[22:09] <frikinz> :p
[22:09] <Armand> HALT, 'tis the time of hammer!
[22:09] * Armand ducks....
[22:10] <Disconnect> zzzoid: if you keep your sd read-only turbo mode shouldn't break it
[22:10] <zzzoid> Disconnect, what can you do with a readonly card?
[22:11] <Disconnect> lots of things.
[22:11] * Disconnect runs off usb with a r/o card.
[22:11] <zzzoid> Disconnect, oh ok
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[22:11] <Disconnect> and when embedded/portable linux was getting started, readonly was the only option (cramfs root, run off tmp/network/etc)
[22:12] <Disconnect> clock/temp display could run readonly. doorbell doesn't need read-write (could even push events to a log server with syslog)
[22:12] <frikinz> even with everythig readonly you can run a lot of things
[22:12] <viric> Disconnect: did you know much of that time? I'm curious on the minimum amount of ram required by first embedded linuces.
[22:12] <Disconnect> dd-wrt and such generally run read-only
[22:12] <frikinz> but I actually quickly failed to adapt my initscript for / as ro
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[22:13] <viric> well, even now, there are computers small enough. But linux requires more and more ram to run.
[22:13] <Disconnect> viric: i got started with directivos and handhelds.org stuff (compaq ipaqs, ported from wince)
[22:13] <viric> ah I remember them
[22:13] <viric> no nic, iirc
[22:13] <viric> only when over the dock
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[22:14] <Disconnect> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPAQ
[22:14] * Armand unplugs Disconnect
[22:14] <Disconnect> yah. i still have a dual dock with cf 802.11b and storage
[22:14] <Disconnect> only problem was i had to pull the wifi out to use bluetooth
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[22:24] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[22:26] <Armand> CelticTurnip.. .o/
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[22:29] <CelticTurnip> :)
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[22:30] <Peace-> :) solved
[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Peace-: how?
[22:31] <Peace-> i needed just to reboot my laptop wtf
[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> .... -.-
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[22:31] <Peace-> ShiftPlusOne: then the file was created
[22:31] <Peace-> :S
[22:31] <CelticTurnip> the old "have you tried turning it off and on" trick :)
[22:32] <Peace-> CelticTurnip: well i am a linux user reboot is evil
[22:32] <Peace-> lol
[22:32] <Peace-> remind me to windows
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[22:32] <Peace-> but sometimes it works
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[22:33] <ShiftPlusOne> should've at least tried restarting X first
[22:33] <Peace-> i did not reboot this machine since .. 4 weeks
[22:34] <CelticTurnip> Peace-: I hear you, I have BSD boxes I manage that litterally only get updated for operating system updates (ie. they're patched live, reboot for new kernel/OS version)
[22:34] <CelticTurnip> rebooted for *
[22:35] <Peace-> and at the end i get ti :P http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopvD2016.png
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[22:41] <Torikun> any arch pi users
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[22:48] <antoks> quit
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[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Torikun: I am sure there are plenty.
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[23:07] <Xapht> Hello everyone, has anybody been sucessfull getting Ruby on Rails to run on thir Pi? I saw this guide (http://elinux.org/RPi_Ruby_on_Rails) but sadly, it does not work with the most recent release of Wheezy.
[23:08] <bakers> Anyone know any HLS streams I can test with omxplayer?
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[23:12] * Peace- is using raspberry with ssh from his laptop running ffplay and a webcam
[23:13] <mranostay> pics or gtfo
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[23:15] <Peace-> mranostay: ?
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[23:15] <Peace-> is for me ? btw => http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/06/plasma-desktopCv2016.png
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[23:17] <zleap> hi how well do programs such as tux paint, tix math etc run on the PI
[23:17] * zleap is doing demo tomorrow hopefully
[23:17] <zleap> well pi demo but as its in a school i cn try and demo suitable programs
[23:17] * SophieRxx watches the temperature of her Pi slowly rise...
[23:18] <SophieRxx> C'mon Quake, hurry up and compile so I can play!
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[23:18] <zleap> lol
[23:18] <Adnauseam> just don't try javascript
[23:18] <Adnauseam> java script is bad
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[23:18] <Adnauseam> bad.
[23:18] <zleap> lol
[23:18] <Adnauseam> anything else that's native should be fine, it can handle a punch actually.
[23:18] <Adnauseam> i wouldn't try gimp.
[23:19] <Adnauseam> tux paint should be fine
[23:19] <Adnauseam> :]
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[23:23] <zleap> cool
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[23:24] <zleap> brb need to get pi so i can install stuff
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[23:26] <viric> SophieRxx: quake for opengles?
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[23:27] <SophieRxx> Erm, not too sure viric...
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[23:27] <SophieRxx> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=23580
[23:28] <viric> didn't your mother tell you that you should not run scripts from unknown people?
[23:28] <viric> :)
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[23:29] <SophieRxx> I'm willing to risk it
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[23:29] <zleap> i am trying to login to my pi over ssh and am gettng this Permission denied (publickey,password).
[23:29] <zleap> psutton@E-machine:~$
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[23:31] <frikinz> so the script adapts some directory to not do a cross compilation but a compilation on the Pi. must be quite long indeed
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[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> says 50 minutes
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds about right too
[23:32] <frikinz> Probably 5 minutes without the diff
[23:33] <frikinz> on a good laptop or higher
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[23:33] <SophieRxx> tried it on my netbook, did it in under 10, 1.66GHz, 1gb ram. No ARM processor though >.<
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> I've given up telling people to cross-compile.
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[23:34] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: :) I'm nearly giving up on crosscompiling with host tools with sb2.
[23:35] <ShiftPlusOne> blasphemy
[23:35] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: I kind of wonder what's the point of sb2 if its for running all in the rootfs. then probably putting qemu inside the rootfs and building there is the same
[23:36] <frikinz> or just using a cross compilation toolchain and tweaking some variables
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: nuh, if you don't use -eR it crosscompiles without qemu. The point is that you can install all the dependencies like you normally would and it's all compatible with your target.
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[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> you can sb2 -eR apt-get install libwhatever-dev, for example
[23:37] <frikinz> yeah but sb2 -R dpkg-buildpackage is more tricky in some case, that's what I meant
[23:38] <ShiftPlusOne> You can't compile normally (without qemu) that package the binaries with qemu?
[23:38] <frikinz> that's what I meant with "host tools". complex host tools others than gcc
[23:38] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: you lost me on the last sentence :)
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[23:39] <frikinz> I can easily do sb2 -eR buildpackage if that's what you mean. but that's cheating :)
[23:39] <frikinz> and quite slow
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> does buildpackage just package binaries, or does it compile and then package?
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[23:40] <Cheery> dakerfp: I made a somewhat 'proper' library that tries to enclose this all gunk.
[23:40] <Cheery> dakerfp: https://github.com/cheery/dg
[23:41] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: check deps, calls autotools, compiles, runs several tools, build package. and a lot of tiny bits here and there
[23:41] <ShiftPlusOne> is there an option to break that up into multiple commands?
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> so that you compile without emulation and then only use -eR when packaging
[23:42] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: it calls debian/rules which is a list of commands yes
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[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> i meant like builkdpkg --dontcompillejusttaketheexistingbinariesandusethoseorsomething
[23:43] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: could be but that implies heavy modification of the source package
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[23:43] <frikinz> and sb2 is supposed, in theory to do this by itself
[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Who are we kicking?
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[23:43] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: out of curiosity, what actual errors do you run into?
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[23:45] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: now, nothing. I commented the line which gave me headache. I have now the -dev package and I've just extracted it so that it can be used to build another one. it's a bit tricky to mix host and target :)
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[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I would think that it would all work automagically without the -R even.
[23:46] <frikinz> the commented line was dpkg-shlibdeps
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[23:47] <frikinz> well, the debhelper suite still needs to create files owned by root (the ones that will be installed)
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[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> did you change the permissions on the rootfs to be 777 and owned by user?
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[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> (on all files)
[23:48] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: no, that is an error to do this 777
[23:48] <frikinz> but I did change to user:group of my current user
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> would the packaged files inherit those permissions?
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[23:49] <SophieRxx> Argh!
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[23:49] <frikinz> it could probably be down without fakeroot and then the dpkg-buildpackage would only create file own by my user yes
[23:50] <SophieRxx> Note to self, don't compile on the pi via ssh...
[23:50] <frikinz> :)
[23:50] <frikinz> use screen?
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> SophieRxx: correction: Use screen.
[23:50] <SophieRxx> Dammit....
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> don't worry, it should continue where you left off for the most part
[23:50] <SophieRxx> Could've been worse
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz: well, I am sure you know much more about this than I (not a debian user), so you'll probably figure it out.
[23:51] <SophieRxx> Can somebody quickly tell me how to use screen, please?
[23:51] <ShiftPlusOne> launch 'screen'
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> then if you want to reconnect to it 'screen -x'
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> there are some shortcuts you can run within screen to open new 'tabs', detach the screen session and so on
[23:52] <ShiftPlusOne> press ctrl+a d and that will detach from the screen session
[23:52] <SophieRxx> Okay, thanks :) Installing it now
[23:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ctrl+a n will create a new tab
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[23:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ctrl+a (some number) will jump to the tab you specify
[23:53] <buZz> ctrl+a c creates a screen
[23:53] <ShiftPlusOne> ah sorry,
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[23:53] <buZz> ctrl-a n goes to the next screen
[23:53] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah,
[23:53] <buZz> ctrl-a p goes to the previous screen
[23:53] <SophieRxx> Thank you, I appreciate it.
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> I tend to use the numbers though
[23:54] <buZz> yw
[23:54] <buZz> ShiftPlusOne: i dont, as 0 isnt next to 1
[23:54] <buZz> ShiftPlusOne: and 0 is the first
[23:54] <frikinz> I use screen -dR
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, but 0 is special...
[23:54] <buZz> i use screen -Dr to close the ssh
[23:54] <buZz> 0 isnt special
[23:54] <Syliss> hmm
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> it's like the first one you launch, so it's like the home base
[23:55] <buZz> you can close 0 and keep 1
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> and the rest are 'other crap'
[23:55] <frikinz> screen -dR opens a screen or reattaches
[23:55] <buZz> nothing special about 0
[23:55] <buZz> ctrl-a <space> is an alias for ctrl-a n btw
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> and it's customizable so you can modify the shortcuts, add a little status bar at the bottom, make it launch stuff, split the screen and have things side by side and so on. A very powerful tool.
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[23:57] <frikinz> yeah. but you need to be equiped to remember all shortcuts of all programs :)
[23:57] <SophieRxx> That sounds awesome
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[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> An example of a customized screen setup http://kmandla.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/byobu-split.png
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> http://kmandla.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/2011-05-06-mn-340-001-crux-musca.jpg
[23:59] <Cheery> dakerfp: I wrote "an extension" to get the access to texture neatly.

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