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IRC Log for 2012-12-08

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[0:00] <opieng> hi all, whats the easiest way to install xmpc on raspbian
[0:02] <shiftplusone> I can't even find what xmpc is
[0:03] <opieng> sorry I mean xbmc
[0:03] <ackthet> xbian probably
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[0:04] <shiftplusone> there are a few distros based on raspbian which come with xbmc
[0:04] <shiftplusone> I don't know about actually installing it from raspbian though
[0:04] <_mru_> frikinz: if the filesystem is read-only there should be no writes at all
[0:04] <shiftplusone> but I am sure there's a tutorial out there somewhere
[0:04] <ackthet> xbian is plug and chug
[0:05] <_mru_> so that is safe
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[0:05] <_mru_> I don't know of any controllers that update persistent state on reads
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[0:05] <opieng> shiftplusone, oh ok what distro's are they I can use those instead?
[0:05] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[0:05] <shiftplusone> raspbmc
[0:06] <ackthet> opieng: i've been saying xbian for like 20 minutes
[0:06] <ackthet> http://www.xbian.org/
[0:06] <ackthet> it plays back 1080p np
[0:06] <shiftplusone> Other than that I don't know... I think there's one that starts with x
[0:06] <shiftplusone> x...something..ian
[0:06] <opieng> sorry ackthet
[0:06] <opieng> I didnt mean to ignore you
[0:07] <ackthet> their alpha is working fine for me
[0:07] <opieng> I will give them both a try, thanks ackthet shiftplusone
[0:08] <shiftplusone> np
[0:08] <ackthet> sure
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[0:10] <DMackey> Great, something else to play with on the RPi, nice.
[0:10] <frikinz> humm kernel package headers
[0:12] <frikinz> I wonder why raspbian doesn't provide theirs nor a kernel package
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[0:16] <uriah> damn... my usb wifi dongle rebooted my pi
[0:16] <uriah> must mean it uses up too many mA
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[0:24] <adb> uriah, huh, > Because of the high power required by WiFi, a 5V 2A power adapter is required to power both the Rpi and WiFi. Flaky behavior and crashes may result if this is not followed! >
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[0:25] <uriah> adb: thanks
[0:25] <adb> np
[0:25] <uriah> adb: i'm running mine on batteries using the lm2576t, which garantees 3A, though
[0:26] <uriah> adb: is it possible that it crashes because i plugged it in after turning the pi on?
[0:27] <adb> do 'nt know ,sry
[0:27] <uriah> heh ok
[0:27] <uriah> no problem
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[0:30] <SpeedEvil> it doesn't guarantee if your batteores can-t copr
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[0:32] <adb> 'can-t copr ' ?
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[0:32] <adb> cant cooperate , maybe ?
[0:33] <uriah> SpeedEvil: true... they're nimh 2300mah batteries, x8
[0:33] <SpeedEvil> should be fine
[0:33] <uriah> hmm...
[0:34] <brady2600> ok ive managed to ssh into my raspberry pi like this : ssh -X 192.168.1.99 -l raspberrypi , and run programs from the terminal, and have them display using xwindows
[0:34] <SpeedEvil> note that if you do not very carefully match the cells, and stop discharge at 8v, you will destroy one or more cells by reverse discharge
[0:34] <brady2600> but my question is, how can i do this with the whole desktop?
[0:36] <frikinz> brady2600: the easiest is to use x11vnc
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[0:37] <frikinz> brady2600: x11 vnc should be running on the pi if you want to see the desktop of the pi
[0:38] <brady2600> ok i will make x11 vnc the priority for the night
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[0:39] <chithead> you can use directvnc, together with accelerated directfb it would probably the best perfoming solution
[0:39] <uriah> SpeedEvil: that's good to know :S thankfully they're all 2300mAh energizer AA's, so i should be fine... right? i mean, 4 of them have a different coating, but they're probably made to work together
[0:39] <chithead> probably be*
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> uriah: measure voltage across each individual cell
[0:40] <SpeedEvil> and ensure fully charged before using
[0:41] <SpeedEvil> problem is if one is 2000mAh, it has 300mAh of reverse charge, if you discharge the others all the way
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[0:41] <uriah> true
[0:41] <uriah> SpeedEvil: i should probably fully charge them all before using them, right?
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[0:42] <SpeedEvil> yes
[0:42] <uriah> alright... does it matter that they aren't fully discharged before i charge them?
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[0:45] <uriah> also, would reverse discharge risk damaging the pi/
[0:45] <uriah> ?
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[0:48] <uriah> SpeedEvil: do electronic devices usually have a voltmeter built into them to know when to turn off?
[0:48] <_mru_> it's generally a bad idea to mix batteries with different charge levels
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[0:49] <uriah> ah, i see
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> battery management is a complex and intricate thing,
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[0:50] <SpeedEvil> for example, measuring voltages of individual batteries is not uncommon
[0:50] <atouk> half science, half voodoo, and half guesswork
[0:51] <SpeedEvil> batteryuniversity.com
[0:52] <uriah> cool :)
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[1:03] <Grievre> What's the point of using a USB port for power if you can't power it off of most sources of USB power? :(
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[1:04] <ackthet> there is none
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[1:06] <ShiftPlusOne> Grievre: before launch people were saying "Waaaah, we want a microusb connector rather than a dc barrel jack."
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[1:06] <Grievre> Most power supplies that meet the RPi's voltage and current requirements use barrel jacks though...
[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Yes, but the foundation caved in to demand
[1:07] <uriah> SpeedEvil: just checked, and the voltages are all around 1252-1257mV ...is that balances enough? (i would say yes, but just checking with you)
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> yes
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> the worry is when one falls below 1v or so
[1:08] <WillemTheMarxist> Can any of you recommend some Lego kits for making a nice RPi case?
[1:08] <artag> and barrel jacks are crap anyway
[1:08] <SpeedEvil> as then it starts falling rapidly
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[1:09] <WillemTheMarxist> ShiftPlusOne: better to have a microUSB socket than a DC jack.
[1:09] <ShiftPlusOne> WillemTheMarxist: not for a device that draws more than 500mA
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[1:09] <WillemTheMarxist> It's for power, not recharging a battery. So it makes sense.
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[1:10] <uriah> SpeedEvil: ok, thanks
[1:10] <WillemTheMarxist> ShiftPlusOne, there's nothing which says you can only supply 500mA over a USB cable.
[1:11] <WillemTheMarxist> But this is irrelevant - I'd rather have a microUSB charger due to their ubiquitous nature.
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[1:11] <ShiftPlusOne> WillemTheMarxist: Never said there was. The problem is with support. People are plugging them into cheap adapters which claim to be 1A, but aren't. The power is all noisy and messy and meh.
[1:11] <SpeedEvil> a USB device drawing over 100ma is not compliant with the USB standard. but the USB standard doesn't say boats must prevent devices doing this
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[1:12] <SpeedEvil> messy and potentially lethal
[1:12] <SpeedEvil> many cheap adaptors have mains and output seperated by .5mm of dirty PCB
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> Exactly, the teardowns show 1mm clearance distance between 240v and your device.
[1:12] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah... that
[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> It was going to be a 6-12v (IIRC) input with a barrel jack.
[1:13] <uriah> SpeedEvil: what type of i/o would be best to use a voltage sensor with the pi? i2c? or should i make a circuit apart from the pi to take care of shutting everything off before it reaches 8V?
[1:13] <WillemTheMarxist> Which is why you use your spare HTC charger.
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[1:14] * uriah uses his spare SE charger ;)
[1:14] <uriah> (when i'm not using batteries of course)
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> WillemTheMarxist: While I do have apple, an htc and samsung chargers around, they are not exactly all over the place (yet).
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[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I see people buying multiple supplies before finding one that actually works
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> and then you can never be sure if the problems you're having are related to your supply or not, unless you have a multimeter, which many people coming here with problems don't.
[1:15] <uriah> ShiftPlusOne: he left :(
[1:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't care, I was on a rant. >.>
[1:15] <SpeedEvil> uriah: an 8v cutoff is simple
[1:15] <uriah> :>
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[1:16] <uriah> heheh
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[1:17] <Armand> ShiftPlusOne, I already have a meter... rather, my dad has. :)
[1:17] <uriah> ShiftPlusOne: i just bought a new multimeter cause i couldn't find my old one... damned thing cost 40$ versus the $10 i spend years ago for the same model! i was annoyed, to say the least.
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[1:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Well now that he's gone, I don't actually mind the microusb input all that much
[1:18] <uriah> heheh
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[1:29] <uriah> SpeedEvil: do you have a diagram handy somewhere for an 8V cutoff circuit? pretty please? :P
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[1:38] <Grievre> Wait the RPis that were shipped to me have Samsung chips
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[1:40] <Grievre> oh wait never mind
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> uriah: sorry, no, not to hand
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> ##electronics uriah
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> I'm mostly asleep
[1:41] <uriah> will do. thanks
[1:41] <uriah> heheh, sweet dream then :)
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[1:44] <JSM87> Hi guys. Ive been running rasberry for a while on an old 2GB SD card. Ive just but a new SD card. How can I essentially clone my old card to the new one so it will work?
[1:44] <ackthet> dd
[1:45] <uriah> dd if=/dev/[oldcard] of=/dev/[newcard]
[1:45] <cyclick> JSM87, http://mikelev.in/2010/09/cloning-an-sd-card-on-linux/
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[1:45] <JSM87> cyclick: is there a way to do on windows?
[1:45] <uriah> JSM87: only thing is, you'll need to use something like gparted to resize the partition(s)
[1:45] <uriah> JSM87: if you want to use linux (which will be easier) you can get http://sysresccd.org/
[1:46] <JSM87> uriah: im on windows at the moment
[1:46] <JSM87> Is there a solution for that I could use?
[1:46] <cyclick> JSM87, google for : windows clone sd card
[1:46] <pksato> use any disk cloning tools
[1:46] <uriah> JSM87: you can boot linux from a cd without affecting windows ;) just use systemrescuecd
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[1:49] <JSM87> actually, how can I compared which one of my two SD cards is better performance?
[1:49] <uriah> do they overscan boot options in config.txt work with composite output as well?
[1:49] <JSM87> I've just realised they are both 16GB
[1:49] <JSM87> so now its just a case of which is better performance
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[1:50] <pksato> JSM87: use some sd speed tools.
[1:50] <uriah> JSM87: if you were using linux i could tell you how ;)
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[1:58] <Opinie> anyone have any suggestions as to what to do, when my pi is utterly unresponsive but on?
[1:59] <uriah> Opinie: was the pi running fine before?
[2:00] <Opinie> yeah
[2:00] <ackthet> why do i get a bunch of errors like this: [ 23.578606] mmc0: missed completion of cmd 18 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[2:00] <ackthet> 33 of em
[2:01] <uriah> ackthet: i believe your SD card might be to blame
[2:01] <CelticTurnip> lol, I get that error on 3 seperate sandisk SD cards... only on the latest images... no issues on previous images...
[2:01] <CelticTurnip> so SD cards you say?
[2:01] <uriah> ackthet: however, i would google the error if i were you, don't take my word for it
[2:02] <uriah> CelticTurnip: lol, ok then, never mind :)
[2:02] <uriah> Opinie: have you tested your SD card on another computer?
[2:02] <CelticTurnip> oh and I have 2 Pis... and it's the same on both... :-/
[2:02] <ackthet> hehe
[2:02] <CelticTurnip> someone needs to do some kernel testing, or at least know how to read a dmesg before they release an image :)
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[2:03] <Opinie> uriah: nah I haven't, but I do suspect it may be broken as my raspbian seems to go down pretty habitually without me catalyzing it
[2:03] <ackthet> Linux borr 3.6.7 #2 PREEMPT Tue Nov 27 20:36:53 CET 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[2:03] <ackthet> is my kernel version
[2:03] <uriah> CelticTurnip: can you comment on the github? ;)
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[2:04] <Opinie> uriah: I can dd to the SD card fine etc though..
[2:05] <uriah> Opinie: are you saying that you have other images that run the raspi fine?
[2:05] <uriah> other SD cards?
[2:05] <Opinie> uriah: no I'm not, I'm just saying that I don't have any trouble dd'ing a new image to sd card
[2:06] <uriah> ok
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[2:06] <uriah> Opinie: did you play with the gpio pins at all?
[2:06] <pksato> Opinie: dd not verify writes.
[2:06] <Opinie> nope
[2:06] <noblezeus> Question.. Using wheezy; how do I go about using a USB audio device I have plugged in with mpd?
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[2:06] <pksato> test sd with badblocks tool.
[2:06] <uriah> pksato: does ddrescue?
[2:07] <pksato> badblocks -vvvw /dev/of_sd
[2:07] <Opinie> so should I just yank out the power cable off of the pi to do that?
[2:07] <Opinie> I mean it's still on etc
[2:07] <pksato> it erase all sd.
[2:08] <Opinie> mm, right.. I was pretty happy with the set up I was running, so I'm a little reluctant to let it go that easily
[2:08] <pksato> Opinie: some times, power loss cause fs currupition.
[2:09] <Opinie> I know
[2:09] <Grievre> hey can you use an android phone to write images to microSD cards?
[2:09] <Grievre> or does it give you somewhat indirect access to the SD card
[2:09] <uriah> Opinie: didn't you just overwrite the sd card anyway with the new image?
[2:10] <_mru_> if you get i/o errors on an sd card it's time to replace it
[2:10] <Opinie> uriah: well I did the last time I had problems, but since then I've installed and set up things etc.
[2:10] <_mru_> sd cards are the new floppies
[2:10] <uriah> ah ok
[2:11] <uriah> Opinie: you can temporarily clone the contents of your SD card into a file using dd, then perform the badblocks check, then dd the file back onto your sd card
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[2:13] <Opinie> uriah: ok, but how do I turn off the pi without being able to communicate with it at all? I mean if yanking out the power cable can corrupt the root fs, it doesn't seem like a good idea, unless I can fix it somehow
[2:14] <zenodub> really resetting power can do that?
[2:14] <zenodub> I've never had an issue lol
[2:14] <zenodub> If so that kinda sucks, systems need to be hardbooted
[2:14] <ShiftPlusOne> Opinie: only if you are writing to the disk.
[2:14] <ShiftPlusOne> If you don't have anything cached to write, your should be fine.
[2:15] <Opinie> so um
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[2:15] <Opinie> well I have no idea what it's doing
[2:17] <uriah> Opinie: is there anything on the TV/monitor that you've plugged the pi into?
[2:17] <Opinie> uriah: nada
[2:17] <Opinie> I was ssh'ing into it though
[2:17] <uriah> Opinie: then just unplug it
[2:17] <uriah> Opinie: oh, you were?
[2:18] <uriah> Opinie: and is it completely unresponsive now?
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[2:19] <uriah> Opinie: if you can't even ssh to it, i don't think you have a choice. the only way to power it off would be to unplug the power
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[2:20] <Opinie_> do I need to use bs=1m when dd'ing a backup image from the sd?
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> no
[2:21] <mranostay> er why would you?
[2:21] <Opinie_> I don't know
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> it may make it foster
[2:21] <SpeedEvil> faster
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> it does speed it up, yes
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> (in my experience)
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[2:25] <uriah> noblezeus: i believe there's a setting in mpd.conf to select your audio device
[2:25] <uriah> noblezeus: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Configuration
[2:26] <uriah> noblezeus: the Audio Outputs section of that page
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[2:33] <planezit> Need help configuring RASPBMC Wireless device
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[2:34] <planezit> What's the utility I should you to configure it?
[2:34] <ShiftPlusOne> planezit: there's always #raspbmc
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[2:35] <planezit> ShiftPlusOne: thanks
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[2:37] <uriah> Opinie: are you running badblocks now?
[2:37] <Opinie> dd still running
[2:37] <uriah> ah, k
[2:37] <uriah> man, these batteries are running for a loooong time
[2:37] <uriah> of course, my pi is idling at the moment, but still
[2:38] <uriah> it has been 4 hours now
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[2:48] <Grievre> will the raspbian image successfully boot from a 2 GB sd card?
[2:48] <Grievre> it's just too small to do anything useful with?
[2:48] <Grievre> or does it not boot at all
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[2:50] <scummos> it should boot imo
[2:50] <scummos> you can also boot from an USB stick, you know?
[2:50] <Grievre> wait you can?
[2:50] <Grievre> I thought you needed an SD card
[2:52] <scummos> yes, you do
[2:52] <Grievre> oh I see what you're saying
[2:52] <Grievre> chainload from SD to USB
[2:52] <scummos> but if you have one which is at least 256MB or so, you can use it to boot... and then load the rest from USB
[2:52] <scummos> yes
[2:52] <Opinie> how would one do that?
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[2:53] <scummos> change the root= in cmdline.txt on the sdcard
[2:53] <scummos> to point to the usb stick partition containing the OS file system
[2:53] <Opinie> ok
[2:53] <Opinie> so what
[2:53] <Opinie> I extract the iso
[2:53] <Opinie> make that change
[2:53] <Opinie> nah, no
[2:54] <Opinie> care to spell this out for me
[2:54] <Opinie> *?
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[2:55] <Opinie> scummos
[2:55] <scummos> um yes
[2:56] <scummos> you just dump the iso to the card
[2:56] <scummos> then you dump it to the stick too
[2:56] <scummos> and then you change cmdline.txt on the iso
[2:56] <scummos> erm on the sdcard
[2:56] <Opinie> ok
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[2:56] <scummos> to boot from the usb stick
[2:56] <Opinie> awesome
[2:56] <scummos> and in that case it doesn't matter if the image dumped to the card is just... cut off after 125 MB or so
[2:56] <scummos> so you can just take a smaller card and dd the image to it until dd tells you it's out of memory
[2:57] <Opinie> now I have a dozen SD cards to choose from
[2:57] <scummos> make sure to select the second partition of the usb stick, if you dump the whole iso to the stick
[2:57] <Opinie> ok
[2:58] <Opinie> so like /dev/sda1s2?
[2:58] <scummos> s2? no. more like /dev/sdb2 or so
[2:58] <scummos> or sda2
[2:58] <scummos> not sure
[2:58] <scummos> (depends on the system etc.)
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[2:59] <Opinie> I've used sda to auto mount usb drives on the raspbian
[2:59] <scummos> optimally you can refer to the stick by UUID, but I'm not even sure that's supported ;)
[2:59] <Grievre> you could also
[2:59] <Grievre> instead of booting from the USB
[2:59] <scummos> Opinie: then /dev/sda2
[2:59] <Grievre> just remount your data directories onto the USB
[2:59] <scummos> ... in case the card is large enough to hold the OS
[2:59] <Grievre> like mount / on the SD card, and then mount /var/, /usr/, /home/ on the USB stick
[2:59] <scummos> which was not true for me for example
[3:00] <scummos> (I only had a 256MB one)
[3:00] <Grievre> scummos: removing /usr from the SD card should make it small enough
[3:00] <Grievre> that directory tends to contain most of the bytes
[3:00] <Grievre> then you just need to modify the /etc/fstab to mount /usr/ from the USB stick
[3:01] <Grievre> it should be able to do that pretty early in the boot process
[3:01] <scummos> yes but where's the point
[3:01] <scummos> then I can just put everything to the stick ;)
[3:01] <Grievre> it'd be a bit faster
[3:02] <scummos> I'm not even sure about that
[3:02] <scummos> why?
[3:02] <Grievre> scummos: oh wait never mind
[3:02] <Grievre> I just saw the way the disk image is structured
[3:02] <scummos> it's both flash memory
[3:02] <Grievre> it would be a pain
[3:03] <scummos> yes and it would not even be faster imo
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[3:03] <scummos> not necessarily, that is
[3:03] <Grievre> scummos: if you divide the data up the right way between the two media then you can read/write simultaneously from both
[3:03] <Grievre> scummos: but if you only have the boot stuff on the SD card it won't help you much
[3:03] <Opinie> I'm off
[3:04] <Opinie> thanks everyone and good night
[3:04] <Grievre> night :)
[3:05] <scummos> well okay, yeah, you can do that.
[3:05] <scummos> but then, you could also use 10 sticks on a hub ;)
[3:05] <scummos> or sdcard over GPIO
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[3:19] <noblezeus> uriah: ty
[3:21] <uriah> noblezeus: np
[3:22] <uriah> wow, i wonder how long my pi will run off of batteries before they die
[3:22] <uriah> it has been 5h now :D
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[3:24] <SpeedEvil> try measuring the voltages of the individual batteries again. you'll likely see much more difference now
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[3:26] <uriah> SpeedEvil: i'll check.
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[3:31] <uriah> SpeedEvil: 1235-1240mV
[3:31] <uriah> SpeedEvil: seems like these are solid batteries
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> well matched
[3:31] <SpeedEvil> I need to go through my stock, and cull out the 100mAh AA cells.
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[3:32] <SpeedEvil> some >10yo
[3:32] <uriah> oh my!
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[3:45] <darth_malek> im really pissed at this power supply issue
[3:47] <darth_malek> if i add more usb devices + ethernet, will the pi need more power or is 5v 1a enough no matter what
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[3:48] <UnaClocker> Goodevening all
[3:49] <darth_malek> and whats the difference between super and faster overclock in rasbmx
[3:49] <darth_malek> *rasbmc
[3:52] * UnaClocker shrugs.
[3:52] <darth_malek> im sorry, dumb q's
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[3:56] <ParkerR_> darth_malek It will need more power
[3:56] <ParkerR_> The Pi pulls about 750mA by itself
[3:56] <darth_malek> so whats the bad ass adapter you all have?
[3:57] <UnaClocker> 4 amp monster.
[3:57] <ParkerR_> My Nexus 7 charger and some random charger I had. Both 5v at 2A
[3:57] <ParkerR_> I use which ever one is closer XD
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[3:59] <ParkerR_> The 2A has powered what I need it to. My external hard drive initially pulls enough to crash the Pi but it boots back up with it plugged in and reads a writes just fine. Probably cutting the power consumption close.
[4:01] <UnaClocker> http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/PS-541/5-VDC-4A-SWITCHING-POWER-SUPPLY/1.html That's the power supply I use..
[4:02] <ParkerR_> Nice.
[4:02] <ParkerR_> I probably have a non USB 5v at over 2A somewhere around here but haven't bothered looking.
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[4:12] <a1will> is there a dedicated help channel?
[4:12] <a1will> or is this a good place to start?
[4:12] <shiftplusone> Depends on the kind of help
[4:13] <shiftplusone> here is good for raspberry pi and linux help
[4:13] <a1will> pi help...newb in nature
[4:13] <shiftplusone> cooking, painting and so on... not so much.
[4:13] <a1will> lol
[4:14] <a1will> just fired up my pi that arrived today. installed raspbian, logged in as root, none of my commands are working
[4:14] <shiftplusone> which commands?
[4:15] <shiftplusone> and what do you mean by 'not working'? is there an output saying what's wrong?
[4:15] <a1will> -bash sudo command not found
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[4:16] <shiftplusone> raspbian is meant to have sudo, so that's strange
[4:16] <shiftplusone> do 'ls' and such work?
[4:16] <UnaClocker> Love when an overloaded web browser can lock up the whole Pi.....
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[4:17] <uriah> is there a command to see how many mA a USB device is using?
[4:17] <a1will> just a disclaimer...this is my first foray into a debian environ....but tried sudo rap-config sudo reboot sudo apt-get install samba etc...and same msg each time
[4:18] <a1will> *rasp-config*
[4:18] <shiftplusone> *raspi-config* even
[4:18] <shiftplusone> try a simple command without sudo, like I said, try 'ls'
[4:18] <pksato> a1will: if login as root, not need to use sudo. but, is not cause this errors.
[4:19] <a1will> ls does nothin
[4:19] <a1will> just gives a new command prompt with no msg
[4:19] <pksato> a1will: is a first boot?
[4:19] <a1will> pksato--thank you for the tip
[4:19] <uriah> a1will: try ls /
[4:19] <a1will> pk--no I did a hard reboot once because i could not get reboot command to work
[4:20] <shiftplusone> also, try raspi-config without sudo (since you are already root)
[4:20] <pksato> first boot ask to configure some things. before login prompt.
[4:20] <a1will> ls / brought up a bunch of dir
[4:20] <shiftplusone> yeah so commands work, so far we know that sudo doesn't work
[4:21] <shiftplusone> next time, log in as user pi (password: raspberry)
[4:21] <pksato> try cat
[4:22] <pksato> ops
[4:22] <pksato> try free
[4:22] <pksato> or other external command.
[4:23] <ParkerR_> On a net install raspbian does not have sudo if you don't check the install graphical environment
[4:23] <a1will> raspi-config got error... So when I was installing it asked to install additional packages...I declined them...does that have anything to do with it?
[4:23] <ParkerR_> So login as root (su) then apt-get install sudo
[4:24] <pksato> a1will: dump .img again to sd.
[4:24] <a1will> ok so...not sure what i did differently...but apt-get update worked
[4:25] <a1will> updating now
[4:25] <a1will> after that I'll try to use the apt-get command to install samba (trying to make a NAS box)
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[4:25] <shiftplusone> a1will, some of what you're saying it's making sense or is too vague. If, on first boot, raspi-config gives you an error, that's something to take note of. On windows when you get an error, you click ok, because it normally just says "Error 10239487". On linux, the error will usually give you a good idea of what's wrong.
[4:27] <pksato> power cut off can damage sd filesystem.
[4:27] <a1will> shift- I think it was more a problem with my syntax, because now those commands work when I don't use sudo....pk--I was expieriencing the issue before power cut off
[4:28] <shiftplusone> try using sudo when logged in as a normal user
[4:28] <a1will> how do i switch user?
[4:28] <shiftplusone> exit
[4:28] <a1will> ok..installing samba now...will do when it's complete
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[4:34] <a1will> logged in as reg user...sudo commands not working
[4:34] <a1will> apt-get sudo as root?
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[4:35] <shiftplusone> I think the fact that it's not there is in the first place is a symptom of a bigger problem, but yeah, that should work
[4:35] <a1will> should i just redo the sd card?
[4:35] <shiftplusone> -is
[4:35] <pksato> a1will: which version of raspbian you instaled?
[4:36] <a1will> most recent one from the website..one sec and i can dig it up
[4:37] <a1will> the raspbian installer from their website....dont see a version #
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[4:37] <shiftplusone> so... you didn't download from the raspberrypi website?
[4:38] <pksato> a date, 2012-10-28
[4:38] <a1will> 8-9-12 and no I got it from the raspbian website
[4:38] <a1will> should i of?
[4:39] <shiftplusone> Ok, I don't know what's on the raspbian website, everything might be ok
[4:40] <a1will> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[4:40] <UnaClocker> To have sudo from a regular account, you need that account added to the sudoers file in /etc
[4:41] <shiftplusone> UnaClocker, he doesn't even seem to have in installed in the first place.
[4:41] <pksato> Installer?
[4:41] <UnaClocker> even the minimalist distro has sudo
[4:42] <shiftplusone> UnaClocker, hence the confusion.
[4:42] <pksato> This installer is a "network" installer.
[4:42] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I am starting to suspect that you're just in the installer environment
[4:43] <shiftplusone> rather than having actually installed raspbian
[4:43] <a1will> oh
[4:43] <pksato> It is not a regular .img to dump do sd.
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[4:43] <shiftplusone> did you follow the steps listed on the page you just linked?
[4:43] <a1will> yes
[4:43] <shiftplusone> I guess it's possible the installer doesn't install sudo then
[4:44] <shiftplusone> but... that's not how most people here install it in the first place, so I don't know.
[4:44] <a1will> do you recommend going the img route?
[4:44] <shiftplusone> Can't say, haven't tried the alternative.
[4:45] <pksato> the whole image is more easy to newbie on linux.
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[4:46] <a1will> ok...have one that you recommend?...I'll be using samba for NAS
[4:47] <a1will> I'm grabbin raspwheezy
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[4:48] <shiftplusone> grab raspbian
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[4:48] <a1will> raspbian wheezy
[4:48] <a1will> thats the one i'm grabbin
[4:48] <pksato> for NAS only? http://elinux.org/R-Pi_NAS
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[4:49] <a1will> well....if it will handle more I'd like to see how much i can do with it...stream/mail server/ ftp server etc
[4:49] <pksato> Oh, its is only instructions. Not a NAS distro.
[4:50] <a1will> pk--that was the instructions i was using...or trying to..lol
[4:50] <a1will> anyone know if daemontools will work to put img on sd....or do i need the one recommended
[4:50] <a1will> it should right?
[4:50] <a1will> shutdown
[4:52] <shiftplusone> just... stick with the instructions given http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_the_image_to_an_SD_card_on_Windows
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[5:26] <brady2600> i have a project i am working on for enviroment control , and i have an arduino mega, and a raspberry pi
[5:27] <brady2600> im aware i can have the arduino mega + my ethernet card , connect the the sql database on the pi over the local network and make database entries for data logging
[5:28] <brady2600> however im wondering what other ways i can have the raspberry pi and the arduino interact
[5:28] <brady2600> i have the arduino hooked up via the usb on the pi, so i can remotely upload new sketches to the arduino
[5:29] <pksato> serial RS232 or I2C or SPI
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[5:30] <brady2600> cool , that will help with my googling
[5:31] <brady2600> im wondeing if perhaps i can have one of the gpio pins on the raspberry pi, trigger a reset on the reset pin on the arduino?
[5:31] <pksato> possible.
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[5:32] <pksato> but, arduino is 5V and RPi 3.3V, need some level converter (voltage divider. zener)
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[5:36] <piney0> pksato, a transistor would bring the voltage up from 3v3 to 5v
[5:37] <pksato> 3v3 to 5v not need to up.
[5:37] <Essobi> brady2600: I'm programming a bare 328P with my RPI.
[5:37] <Essobi> avrdude, and talking SPI to it.
[5:37] <Essobi> Need to flesh out a proper protocol.
[5:38] <Essobi> brady2600: http://www.repyoblog.com/index.php/2012/10/raspberry-pi-with-avr-328p-using-spi-and-gpio/
[5:38] <Essobi> I'm running the AVR at 3.3v @ 8mhz on the interal clock.
[5:39] <Essobi> I need some shorter jumper wires as you can see by the photos. :D
[5:40] <Essobi> I should put the circuit up too.. That's a bare 328P minimal part count.
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[5:52] <uriah> well... as a conclusion, the raspi can run on 8 AA nimh batteries using an lm2576t step-down regulator circuit for approx 7-10h while idling
[5:52] <uriah> with only a keyboard plugged in
[5:53] <ParkerR_> Nice
[5:53] <uriah> i'm not going to continue testing it out, because i want to go to bed soon, and i wanted to do stuff with the pi (i.e. not let it idle), so now it's doing stuff :)
[5:53] <piney0> not too bad
[5:53] <Tachyon`> I wonder if it's legal to shoot people who are in violation of the GPL by refusing to supply source for their paid android ports... if not it bloody should be.
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[5:53] <ParkerR_> Tachyon`, Haha
[5:54] <uriah> heh
[5:54] <ackthet> only if you use an open source gun
[5:54] <ParkerR_> I second that motion
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[5:55] <Tachyon`> the same author released a gaming keybaord for android that's intentionally broken when used with a rival dosbox port
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[5:55] <ParkerR_> ackthet, It exists http://defensedistributed.com/wiki/?title=Main_Page
[5:55] <ackthet> ParkerR_: ofc it does
[5:55] <ParkerR_> Oh crap
[5:55] <ParkerR_> 404
[5:55] <Tachyon`> https://sites.google.com/site/dosboxturbo/home/gamekeyboard
[5:55] <Tachyon`> see that, it doesn't get more blatant
[5:55] <piney0> see if it has busybox on there, (and a gpl version) they love going against GPL violators
[5:55] <ParkerR_> http://defensedistributed.com/
[5:55] <Tachyon`> actually the busybox situation isn't clear cut
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[5:56] <Tachyon`> the legal action is being taken without the permission of the busybox authors for trolls to make money from what I can gather
[5:56] <piney0> interesting
[5:56] <Tachyon`> but the FSF have expensive lawyers and if I don't see source my first email will be to them and my second to google
[5:57] <piney0> good idea
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[5:58] <xrosnight> hello guys
[5:59] <Tachyon`> as for the keyboard, I need to find out where the author lives, if it's in the UK then that's actually illegal to sell as it's unfit for purpose (IE: intentionally broken)
[6:00] <Tachyon`> he's using a google site though so whois is no help, lol
[6:00] <Tachyon`> you'd think with all this charging for the work of others he'd be able to afford a domain but it seems not!
[6:00] <xrosnight> hey. i want to buy a raspberry pi board, and i am in China :D . i have a VGA monitor, so i also need a HDMI->VGA cable. what's the price of it? Thank you
[6:00] <piney0> lol
[6:01] <Tachyon`> xrosnight: they can be bought from amazon for about 11 british pounds
[6:01] <xrosnight> alright. 11 british pounds good quality ?
[6:02] <Tachyon`> you might find something cheaper on ebay or from DX for slightly more... http://dx.com/p/hdmi-male-to-vga-female-connection-adapter-cable-20cm-119691
[6:02] <Opinie> I think scummos may come up with an insanely simple way to have the rootfs on a usb and the boot on an SD card
[6:02] <Tachyon`> although I think that is a chinese company so it might get to you quicker
[6:02] <xrosnight> the exchange rate to Chinese Yuan 10 Yuan = 1 pound almost . in China i have to spend 150 Yuan to buy a good one.
[6:02] <Opinie> *may have
[6:02] <Tachyon`> ahh, that sounds about the same price
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[6:03] <xrosnight> Tachyon`, yeah. almost the same
[6:04] <xrosnight> has anyone ever bought HDMI-VGA adapter cable ? what's their prices
[6:05] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.cn/%E9%BC%8E%E5%8A%9B-D-082-HDMI%E8%BD%ACVGA%E8%BD%AC%E6%8D%A2%E5%99%A8%E5%B8%A6%E9%9F%B3%E9%A2%91/dp/B00ADZYTAE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354943018&sr=8-2
[6:05] <Tachyon`> that one is cheaper
[6:05] <pksato> I paid $10 on hdmi to vga converter.
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[6:05] <ParkerR_> I need to buy some adapters for the Atrix dock that is coming
[6:05] <xrosnight> pksato, where did you buy? only $10 ?
[6:06] <pksato> buyoncoins.com
[6:06] <xrosnight> Tachyon`, thank you. much cheaper!!!
[6:06] <Tachyon`> it may require a 5v supply, I can't read chinese so I can't tell -.o
[6:07] <xrosnight> great! also it has audio out put !!!!
[6:07] <Tachyon`> oh, that's not bad
[6:07] <Tachyon`> I didn't notice that
[6:07] <xrosnight> Tachyon`, i can read. i am a Chinese :D
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[6:08] <Opinie> xrosnight: do you need to use vpn or tor to access amazon?
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[6:09] <Tachyon`> judging by the speed at which the images appear I'd say the amazon.cn server is in china
[6:09] <xrosnight> Opinie, nope. i don't need that. amazon.com is open in China.
[6:09] <Opinie> k
[6:09] <xrosnight> amazon.cn amzon.com paypal.com all open in China
[6:09] <xrosnight> they don't want lose clients anyway i think
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[6:19] <ParkerR_> Heh, so I have the Pi hooked up to a monitor without the polarizing filter http://i5.minus.com/iN5HnuaMB5sRV.jpg
[6:20] <Essobi> Hehehe.
[6:20] <Essobi> ParkerR_: I want one.
[6:20] <Essobi> I need a polarizer for my laptop. :D
[6:20] <ParkerR_> Need to buy some film. If I use the glasses I have to tilt my head to the left 45 degrees
[6:20] <ShiftPlusOne> ParkerR_: So... no need for private browsing mode then.
[6:21] <ParkerR_> Hurts after a while
[6:21] <Tachyon`> lol
[6:21] <Tachyon`> if you rotate your head 180 degrees you'll probably get an inverted display
[6:21] <ParkerR_> Yes
[6:21] <ParkerR_> Or just right 45 degrees :P
[6:22] <ShiftPlusOne> If you rotate your head 180 degrees, you're not human.
[6:22] * Tachyon` recalls misspent youth taking apart displays to see how they worked
[6:22] <Tachyon`> (well, more taking apart everything, lol, didn't endear me to my parents at times)
[6:23] <ParkerR_> Tachyon`, I did this because I was bored and wanted a little bit of a challenge. Took about 2 hours with goobgone to get most of the residue off
[6:23] <ParkerR_> Not a perfect job but it worked
[6:25] <Tachyon`> lol, I know when the NEC P3 phone was popular (for reasons that aren't important here) I and my friend had the only ones with green text on a black background -.o;
[6:25] <ParkerR_> Looks nifty
[6:25] <ParkerR_> That phone
[6:26] <Tachyon`> it's very old the P3, was used on the ETACS/AMPS networks
[6:27] <Tachyon`> there was a custom firmware which among other things allowed it to be used as a scanner
[6:27] <Opinie> I really recommend moving rootfs to usb from the SD card.. amazing how much of a difference that makes
[6:27] <n1ko> difference how?
[6:27] <Tachyon`> aye, I have a 20GB 1.8" HDD on my pi for that very reason
[6:27] <Tachyon`> faster
[6:27] <Opinie> speed
[6:27] <Opinie> yeah
[6:27] <Tachyon`> small files and SD don't mix due to the erase block size
[6:27] <ParkerR_> Tachyon`, Ahh. I love stuff like that.
[6:27] <n1ko> usb stick aren't any faster and real disks are too large
[6:28] <ParkerR_> Hardware used in way not originally intended
[6:28] <ParkerR_> *ways
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[6:29] <Opinie> n1ko: err??? they are
[6:29] <n1ko> what kind of usb stick are you using and what speed are you getting?
[6:30] <Opinie> I don't have any numbers
[6:30] <Opinie> but it's just obvious
[6:30] <n1ko> trivial to test it out, even hdparm gives you a number
[6:30] <n1ko> it's not a good way to test it,but gives the idea
[6:31] <Opinie> mm, I'm apt-getting upgrades right now
[6:31] <n1ko> i mean theres not one type of sd cards either, if you have a class 4 or 6 the difference might seem huge
[6:31] <Opinie> I may look into those a few moments from now
[6:31] <Opinie> I'll have to go to lectures pretty soon though
[6:31] <Opinie> n1ko: yeah well, I shouldn't have perhaps made such a wide generalization, but compared to my SDHC card at least
[6:32] <n1ko> i get ~20M/s performance with my SDHC-cards, around 20-25M/s with the usb sticks
[6:32] <Opinie> the difference is remarkable
[6:32] <n1ko> but then again i use only class 10 cards
[6:32] <Opinie> ay
[6:32] <Opinie> I think mine is class 4
[6:32] <n1ko> yeah, theres a big difference
[6:33] <n1ko> the smalles usb sticks are quite small too so if there would be a stick that would give out 30M/s+ performance i might go for that too
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[6:36] <Opinie> n1ko: so trivial and hdparm don't seem to be packages available via apt-get :P
[6:36] <Tachyon`> anything that tests by reading and writing only large files won't give useful results either
[6:37] <Opinie> any suggestions then?
[6:37] <Tachyon`> also, a 1.8" HDD with USB adapter is about the same size as the pi, so it can just be added as a slilce
[6:37] <n1ko> Opinie: you sure it's not already installed?
[6:37] <Opinie> n1ko: didn't check..
[6:37] <n1ko> just looking at a installation i haven't had time to tinker with and its even there
[6:38] <n1ko> :)
[6:38] <n1ko> can't remember if it's bundled in some utils package
[6:38] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepicloseup.jpg <- you can see the 1.8" HDD on this (temporary) setup of mine, on top of the case and under the hub, doesn't add much to the size at all and those drives are avaiable up to 80GB which should be more than enough really
[6:40] <Opinie> n1ko: couldn't find them with dpkg --list anyway
[6:40] <Tachyon`> power consumption is a bit of an issue but I use a 2A supply which is more than enough for pi, hub, wifi, bluetooth, wireless keyboard/mouse dongle and that hard drive
[6:40] <Tachyon`> although the polyfuse did have to be disabled as 750mA is definitely nowhere near enough, lol
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[6:41] <plugwash> there certainly is a hdparm package in raspbian
[6:41] <n1ko> n1ko@n1-rpi ~ $ dpkg --get-selections|grep hdparm
[6:41] <n1ko> hdparm install
[6:41] <n1ko> indeed
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[6:41] <n1ko> wonder if theres any msata-usb adapters
[6:41] <n1ko> that would be nice
[6:42] <Opinie> ...
[6:42] <Opinie> n1ko: that dpkg bit produced nothing
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[6:43] <n1ko> well even apt-cache returns it for me
[6:44] <n1ko> you have something broken in your setup, most likely the repos
[6:44] <Opinie> apt-get update doesn't produce any errors
[6:44] <n1ko> i dont know if the armel -version is bundled with it, i would bet money it is there too since it's more like a vanilla debian
[6:45] <n1ko> but this rpi has the hf version of raspbian
[6:45] <Opinie> I have armhf
[6:45] <Opinie> oh now I see it
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[6:46] <n1ko> seems that you can get msata->usb enclosures for $20-30 on ebay
[6:46] <n1ko> although those are bigger than i would like them to be
[6:46] <Opinie> n1ko: care to walk me through using hdparm?
[6:46] <n1ko> hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0
[6:47] <Opinie> so, hdparm -tT /dev/sda2
[6:47] <n1ko> tests out the sd card, your usb stick is probably /dev/sda
[6:47] <Opinie> I just have boot on the sd
[6:47] <Opinie> really necessary to test that?
[6:47] <n1ko> well it gives you idea how fast your sd card is :)
[6:47] <Opinie> ah yeah
[6:48] <Opinie> probably should have slept a little more
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[6:49] <Opinie> there actually is a very small difference
[6:50] <Opinie> http://pastebin.com/M6Y61FdA
[6:50] <Opinie> but the difference is still there
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[6:50] <Opinie> what I mean is
[6:51] <Opinie> there really is a difference
[6:51] <Opinie> even though you wouldn't think based on that
[6:51] <Opinie> *so
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[7:03] <ParkerR_> Opinie, Unknown Paste ID!
[7:04] <Opinie> I'll re-paste
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[7:04] <Opinie> but there was hardly any difference
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[7:07] <Opinie> ParkerR_: http://pastebin.com/jgMnfm3C
[7:07] <ParkerR_> Ahh nice
[7:08] <xrosnight1> hey
[7:08] <xrosnight1> anyone knows the new Raspberry PI with camera, when to come ????
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[7:10] <ParkerR_> xrosnight1, It will be a camera module
[7:10] <ParkerR_> Addon to be used with existing Pi's
[7:11] <xrosnight1> ParkerR_, you mean it's just an addon right? not a new firmed Pi?
[7:11] <ParkerR_> Nope
[7:11] <ParkerR_> Just an add on
[7:11] <xrosnight1> i mean sealed Pi
[7:12] <xrosnight1> alright. then i now go to order a raspberry pi. then if they release the camera addon , i go to buy one.
[7:15] <ParkerR_> Heh. My Pi has been through a bit http://withg.org/parkerlreed/history.txt
[7:17] <urthwhyte> hey guys, what's the status of JVM on the Rpi?
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[7:18] <urthwhyte> Still pretty bad performance wise?
[7:18] <Essobi> It's only soft FPU, iirc.
[7:18] <Essobi> Still.
[7:18] <Essobi> They're saying hardfloat next release I think.
[7:19] <plugwash> urthwhyte, which JVM?
[7:20] <urthwhyte> plugwash: Anything that will run Clojure, no particular affiliation one way or the other
[7:20] <plugwash> assuming you are running raspbian i'd suggest trying openjdk with jamvm
[7:20] <plugwash> possiblly openjdk with avian too
[7:21] <urthwhyte> Cool cool, will give those a try and report back/write up a blog post if I have any success
[7:21] <urthwhyte> Thanks for the input Essobi, plugwash
[7:21] <xrosnight1> okay
[7:21] <xrosnight1> tell us when you finish
[7:22] <xrosnight1> and by the way, any good blog services? I am in China, i can't use blogger.com blogspot.com facebook.com twitter.com wordpress.com. anyone helps?
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[7:26] <Essobi> urthwhyte: np
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[7:27] <xrosnight1> anyone help?
[7:27] <xrosnight1> any good blog services? I am in China, i can't use blogger.com blogspot.com facebook.com twitter.com wordpress.com.
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[7:29] <ackthet> how about... ask in a relevent channel?
[7:31] <lunra> It's not the only reason he's in this channel. people ask things that aren't 100% related to Pi all the time
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[8:11] <xrosnight1> i need to write blogs for raspberry pi!!!! so i need a blog service, stable one !!that's why. ackthet
[8:12] <lunra> You could run a blog from your raspberry pi, as long as your ISP doesn't filter port 80
[8:13] <xrosnight1> China's they do filter port 80 !
[8:13] <lunra> Aww.
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[8:15] <Tachyon`> does the great firewall of china also screw with ssl or just unencrypted port 80 requests
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[8:18] <xrosnight> also i want to run a blog from raspberry PI. how about my using url transfer? i set my DNS to freedns.com , make it lead requests for xxxxxx.com to xxxxx.com:9000
[8:18] <xrosnight> then the server on my raspberry can work
[8:19] <Tachyon`> can you nto just use ssl on port 443
[8:19] <Tachyon`> or is that blocked too
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[8:22] <xrosnight> i don't know. how to test ssl on port 443?
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[8:25] <xrosnight> have you ever heard about peanut ?
[8:26] <xrosnight> it's oray.com which provides non-static IP DNS service
[8:27] <xrosnight> they have a software peanuthull
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[8:49] <xro> Hi, i just received my rpi... it works but not always as smooth as it should be.... I read a lot of documents telling about overclocking.... Does it work well? what are the max settings (i mean stable and efficient settings)
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[8:55] <CelticTurnip> xro: no one can answer that for you, certain chips overclock better than others, ambient temperature is also an issue
[8:55] <CelticTurnip> you need to experiment and see for yourself
[8:55] <CelticTurnip> you can read up here http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Overclocking
[8:56] <CelticTurnip> up to 900mhz could be expected without over volting on most Pis... but YMMV, and it's your cash, warranty, etc
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[8:57] <CelticTurnip> if you're using Rasbian you can use raspi-config to test overclocks that wont void your warranty
[8:58] <CelticTurnip> If you're going to experiment backup /boot/config.txt first though, so if you screw up and end up with a Pi that wont boot you can restore the default config.txt
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[9:11] <xro> okay, so i'll do some tests
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[10:19] <lodenrogue> Hey guys it would really help me out if you could check this out : http://www.indiegogo.com/xmaswish/x/1870096
[10:19] <lodenrogue> I only need 65$ not 500$
[10:20] <shiftplusone> doesn't indiegogo work like kickstarter in that it won't do anything unless the full amount is raised?
[10:21] <lodenrogue> no it has Flexible Funding
[10:21] <shiftplusone> ah, that's what that is
[10:21] <lodenrogue> 500 was the minimum on that site. So i couldnt request less
[10:21] <shiftplusone> Good luck, hope someone has a bit to spare
[10:21] <lodenrogue> but I still get the funds at the end
[10:22] <lodenrogue> thanks!
[10:23] <bearbin> I would donate, but I dno't ahve the money :(
[10:24] <lodenrogue> thank you, it's the thought that counts. (I think people can even donate a dollar)
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[11:47] <linuxstb> If anyone is interested I've just put up a simple hardware transcoding example on github (not my work though) - https://github.com/linuxstb/omxtx/
[11:48] <linuxstb> It's really just a proof-of-concept at the moment, and can transcode from MPEG-2 or H264 to H264. It only writes out the raw video stream, which can then be played back by omxplayer.
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[12:09] <shiftplusone> nice
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[12:47] <linuxstb> Forum thread about omxtx if anyone is interested - http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=25022
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[13:05] <hnsr> what's a good distro to try on my rpi? I'm familiar with linux (mostly gentoo, but I don't want to run that on my rpi)
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[13:07] <tanuva> arch!
[13:07] <Patagonicus> I'm running Gentoo on one of my Pis, works fine, but I haven't gotten XBMC to compile.
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[13:10] <hnsr> do you compile on your rpi or do you cross compile on another machine?
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[13:13] <linuxstb> hnsr: I think most people use Raspbian (based on Debian). There's an "official" download on raspberrypi.org
[13:13] <hnsr> ah, cool
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[13:19] <Patagonicus> hsnr: I compiled @system using qemu on a laptop with an i7 and 8GB ram. Took about 12h. I think the Pi itself shouldn't be much slower, but I haven't tested it. The additional software was compiled on the Pi, including xorg and i3 as a window manager.
[13:20] <Patagonicus> I mostly use it headless, though, and I'm currently playing around with OpenELEC on another Pi.
[13:23] <hnsr> ah, yeah I think I will go with a binary distro for now
[13:23] <antoks> Patagonicus: whouldnt an i7 be faster than compiling on a pi regardless of the emulation going on seeing as it is much much faster than the pi cpu?
[13:24] <Patagonicus> As I said, I haven't tested it. Maybe, but it was very slow. I think I'll try compiling something as a benchmark.
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[13:28] <Patagonicus> Ok, dependency calculation is more than twice as fast on the laptop. Due to not having time to prepare the USB hdd properly, /usr/portage is encrypted on the Pi, which should slow down things quite a bit.
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[13:42] <shiftplusone> hnsr, arch is pretty much gentoo without all the compiling, I think you'll prefer it to raspbian if you're used to gentoo.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> aftermorning pions!
[13:45] <shiftplusone> heh, I see what you did there
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[13:47] <Kane> o/
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> wish I could :)
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[13:50] <gordonDrogon> been choked up with a cold the past few days & feeling really grotty..
[13:53] <shiftplusone> =( get well soon then
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[13:59] <almereyda> Dear users, our little computerboard suddenly denies login requests by SSH. therefore we cannot use it, as we don't have a screen nor mouse or keyboard. did anyone ever experience something similiar?
[13:59] <almereyda> there'd be unix computers available to check the sd card's files for configuration errors
[13:59] <shiftplusone> A bit hard to diagnose without being able to connect something to it =/
[14:00] <almereyda> rightyright.
[14:00] <shiftplusone> any chance of a serial connection?
[14:01] <almereyda> let me research this topic for a sec. ;)
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[14:01] <shiftplusone> I'll shut up and let someone else provide a better answer, since I don't know what the best way to approach this is.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> almereyda, suggest sticking it in another linux machine, fsck, check filesystems, etc.
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[14:01] <almereyda> well then, yes, i start with the sd card check and dig into the filesystem.
[14:02] <almereyda> talk to you later : thx.
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[14:05] <Patagonicus> Ok, the laptop _is_ faster. vim with USE="acl gpm nls" compiles in 35min on the Pi and 8min on the laptop. Still, with the Pi being silent and my USB hdd not being to loud either, I don't mind keeping the Pi running anyway.
[14:06] <antoks> Patagonicus: it has a lot to say if you are developing a semi-large application though, with the compile-test cycle
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[14:07] <antoks> I would know, It takes ages to compile/link new version for testing at work =(
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[14:07] <Patagonicus> Sure, but now that the system is running I just need to install the occasional update.
[14:07] <antoks> true
[14:08] <antoks> I was thinking more from a "developing new application" perspective =)
[14:08] <antoks> but if you're building for distribution or just for your own use, not doing this debug-compile-debug cycle, its probably better in some aspects to compile on the pi
[14:09] <antoks> you dont' need to get as involved in the build environment =)
[14:09] <antoks> Patagonicus: how many threads did you use on the laptop? or on a single core?
[14:10] <Patagonicus> -j8 for make and -j3 for emerge, although there was only a single package to be installed.
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[14:11] <antoks> Im not familiar with qemu; does it spawn processes/threads over multiple cores?
[14:14] <Patagonicus> I doesn't seem to, but I'm not really sure why.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> if developing something, then a decent make system won't compile everything...
[14:15] <almereyda> @gordonDragon : thanks, the filesystem did the trick. how did you know?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> my basic takes 2 minutes to compile on the pi now - from scratch, but an individual file & line in only a few seconds...
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> almereyda, I didn't - just suggesting what I'd do first myself (+30 years experience, I guess!!!)
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the fsck failed on booting the pi - and then it just resorts to screen/keyboard to do it manually..
[14:18] <almereyda> nice idea, as i've never seen a raspi booting with a screen ...
[14:18] <almereyda> ... so i have to stick to SSH access
[14:18] <almereyda> but could be nice for debugging purposes, though.
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[14:28] <almereyda> well then, thanks alot and see you again. nice day everyone!
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[15:06] <tanuva> how do openelec and raspbmc differ?
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[15:08] <shiftplusone> tanuva, openelel only has what it requires and you can't install things easily. raspbmc is pretty much raspbian with xbmc, so you can install things like you normally would.
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[15:09] <shiftplusone> openelec runs from a disk image which you can edit and has a second 'storage' partition where is keeps all your settings and whatever extensions you install
[15:09] <shiftplusone> *can't
[15:10] <tanuva> I see, thanks :)
[15:11] <Patagonicus> From what I've seen from RaspBMC it seems to be rushed together. The scripts that were added have very crude syntax. But I guess it works, so its not that bad. I haven't taken a look under the hood for OpenELEC, though.
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[15:13] <sraue> tanuva, OpenELEC is a embedded distro created from scratch and fully optimized to run XBMC, while Raspbmc and Xbian are debian/raspbian based
[15:14] <tanuva> so I'll just try both and see what feels best
[15:14] <tanuva> (had raspbmc running for some minutes on the first, broken Pi)
[15:14] <antoks> sraue: what packagemanager does openelec use?
[15:14] <antoks> antoks: lmgtfy
[15:15] <sraue> there is no package manager some stuff can be installed via xbmc's addon system, we have a own repor for usefull stuff
[15:15] <shiftplusone> antoks, or read a few lines above (there's none)
[15:15] <sraue> the goal for openelec is to not need a shell, all should be done via XBMC
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[15:16] <antoks> shiftplusone: indeed
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[15:21] <Pure> What's the default root pass on squeeze?
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[15:23] <shiftplusone> is there one? O_o
[15:23] <tanuva> Pure: you want sudo
[15:23] <shiftplusone> I'd just 'sudo su' as user and then set one with passwd
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[15:23] <Pure> Eh
[15:23] <Pure> Ah
[15:23] <Pure> So I can't log in as root?
[15:24] <shiftplusone> you can, just set a password that you'll know first
[15:24] <tanuva> you can after setting a pass as shiftplusone said, or you can just "sudo su" and be root from your user account
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[15:24] <redarrow> Pure: are you referring to this Version? http://www.squeezeplug.eu/?p=201
[15:24] <Pure> I think so, it was the current when I dled it
[15:25] <Zencrypter> Hi !
[15:25] <Pure> Ah, might be wheezy.
[15:25] <Pure> Is there any way to double check?
[15:25] <Zencrypter> I'm coming again to get advises from you about my printer...
[15:25] <Zencrypter> I am trying to make my printer (Samsung ML-1674) work on my Raspberry Pi as a local printer in my network...
[15:26] <Zencrypter> However, Samsung doesn't provide ARM printer drivers... So it doesn't work...
[15:26] <Pure> Yeah, I'm using raspbian
[15:26] <Pure> Well, if it's a normal network printer, wouldn't sabma work?
[15:27] <Zencrypter> A member (akk) suggested to install the printer as a postscript printer. However, I can't really find any information on the web abour how to configure a Postscript printer...
[15:28] <Zencrypter> Pure, The proble is that I don't have any driver available for ARM :(
[15:28] <Zencrypter> Pure, I'll see later for samba then :)
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> Ugh. Printers. The solution is to buy a network capable printer that takes postscript.
[15:28] <Pure> I just made that up, fyi
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> sadly, they're often rather expensive )-:
[15:29] <Zencrypter> gordonDrogon, Apparently, my printer accepts postscript documents...
[15:29] <Zencrypter> But I don't know how to install it... Shall I configure CUPS or is it completely different ?
[15:29] <Pure> But yeah, root password for rasbpain?
[15:30] <shiftplusone> Pure, haven't we just been over this? =p
[15:30] * Pure grins.
[15:30] <Pure> Put basically, I -have- to sudo su?
[15:30] <shiftplusone> ...until you change the password, yes.
[15:31] <Pure> I thought passwd needed a password?
[15:31] <shiftplusone> not when you run it as root
[15:32] <PhotoJim> I put a note in the Raspbian FAQ about how to get a root password. :)
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[15:32] <PhotoJim> sudo passwd ... and away you go
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[15:34] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: my printer is a network printer, so I've not done this, but yes, if your Pi can print to that Samsung natively, CUPS is your ticket. and then you can share with Linux/BSD hosts via CUPS and with Windows hosts via Samba.
[15:34] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, Well, as I said, there isn't any driver available directly for CUPS
[15:35] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, BUT I can set my printer as a Postscript Printer
[15:35] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, However, I don't understand how to do that :?
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[15:36] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: Postscript drivers count as drivers. :)
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[15:37] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: you'll have to do some googling. I've not done this. But it shouldn't be too hard, if your printer supports PS.
[15:37] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, Ok...
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[15:37] <Pure> If windows can natively support it as a network printer, is it easy enough to get to work on the pi?
[15:37] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: I assume you don't have a network port on that printer? only USB?
[15:37] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, Yes
[15:38] <PhotoJim> Pure: assuming it's hard wired to the Pi, then you'd have to set up Samba on the Pi to be the hosting service for the printer for Windows.
[15:38] <PhotoJim> Network printers are a lot less fuss, but a few more dollars.
[15:38] <Pure> I've got a network printer.
[15:38] <Pure> I meant if windows can connect to it
[15:38] <PhotoJim> if it's a network printer, then your Windows driver should be smart enough to hunt for the printer on the network. You just need to be on the same subnet.
[15:39] <PhotoJim> you can be on a different subnet, but then you need to know your printer's IP. not usually an issue on home networks though.
[15:39] <Pure> But should I be able to use my pi with it?
[15:40] <PhotoJim> depends on what your printer needs. if it has a non-proprietary Linux driver, or it supports PostScript, then yes, the Pi can print to it.
[15:40] <PhotoJim> I have a Brother network printer. No issues at all with Linux on it.
[15:40] <Pure> Does Epson do those?
[15:40] <PhotoJim> the Linux driver is slow, but it prints.
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[15:40] <PhotoJim> I don't know. I don't have any Epson printers.
[15:40] <PhotoJim> and it probably depends on the model as well as the brand.
[15:40] <PhotoJim> You'll have to do some googling.
[15:41] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, I have 2 linux computers and 1 Windows computer
[15:41] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, So, it might be easier first to set it on Ubuntu :)
[15:41] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: you need to configure it on the machine to which you connected it. and that machine must be turned on if you want to print, so whatever machine you have that will always (or usually) be powered up, that should be your printer server machine.
[15:42] <PhotoJim> so if the Pi is a 24/7 machine, you might want it to be your printer server, depending on what else it might be doing.
[15:42] <PhotoJim> that's why I got a network printer. if I want to print I just turn the printer on. I don't need any particular machine turned on except the one from which I wish to print.
[15:42] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, The Pi is always on :)
[15:43] <PhotoJim> so if you're up to it, and the Pi isn't too busy doing other tasks, the Pi would make a good printer server.
[15:43] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, I also use it as a web-server (Nginx) and dropbox-like through SFTP :)
[15:43] <Pure> So if I want to give the user 'user' full sudo privs, how do I put that in sudoers?
[15:43] <PhotoJim> I assume the Pi and the printer are physically proximate to one another.
[15:43] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, Yes
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[15:44] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, There is another thing I don't really understand...
[15:44] <PhotoJim> Pure: man sudoers ... you use the visudo command to edit the sudoers file. you can add users there. (I'm my only sudo user so I've not added anyone.)
[15:44] <PhotoJim> nginx is a good web server to run on modest hardware.
[15:44] <PhotoJim> I actually have it running on a 486.
[15:45] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, On the internet, we can buy "Printer servers" which allow us to print on a particular printer without having to install any driver...
[15:45] <Pure> I'm gonna be sharing my pi with family, so setting it up right now :D
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[15:46] <Zencrypter> So isn't there a way to simply make the Raspberry Pi give the instructions of the PC to the printer ?
[15:46] <Zencrypter> I mean, as if the printer was directly connected through USB on a client computer...
[15:46] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: theoretically yes. these servers you describe probably convert a printer document format from something universally supported (like PostScript) to something proprietary. so it takes a lot of CPU power to do that.
[15:46] <Zencrypter> The RPi would just give the informations to the printer...
[15:46] <Zencrypter> Ok...
[15:46] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: the far easier way to do it is just to buy a well-supported printer. Encourages manufacturers of printers to make theirs well supported also.
[15:47] <PhotoJim> Don't just buy a printer because you like the price. Google and see how well it's supported in Linux first.
[15:47] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, By the way, I asked Samsung whether they could make the driver for ARM
[15:47] <PhotoJim> generally, printers that support PCL or PostScript are well supported (assuming you want a laser printer).
[15:47] <echelon> Zencrypter: lol
[15:47] <echelon> they not gonna make a driver for arm
[15:48] <PhotoJim> I've got a couple of spare Samsung printers in the basement. There is a Linux driver for them. I didn't think it was proprietary.
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[15:48] <echelon> just have the printer connected to a dedicated server in the house and run cups
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[15:48] <Zencrypter> They gave me a vague answer, saying that the manufacturer standards didn't match with ARM..
[15:49] <Zencrypter> Or something like that...
[15:49] <echelon> yeah, all samsung drivers are closed source
[15:49] <PhotoJim> that's BS.
[15:49] <PhotoJim> about "not matching"
[15:49] <Zencrypter> In a nutshell that means "Nope ! Chuck Testa."
[15:49] <PhotoJim> that just means either they can't get it to work, or they haven't tried.
[15:49] <echelon> or they dont wanna do it
[15:50] <echelon> there's no market for it
[15:50] <Zencrypter> They're too lazy to compile the driver...
[15:50] <Zencrypter> echelon, That's true
[15:50] <PhotoJim> they don't need a market, they just need to release the source for their own driver
[15:50] <PhotoJim> let the community do it for them
[15:50] <PhotoJim> hi, here's how we print, you figure it out
[15:50] <PhotoJim> FLOSS people like that just fine.
[15:50] <echelon> besides, customer service is useless
[15:51] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, Yes, but since it's not a free driver...
[15:51] <echelon> you gotta find a developer
[15:51] <Zencrypter> They won't release the source :')
[15:51] <PhotoJim> no need for it not to be free, that's just their stance
[15:51] <PhotoJim> which means, don't buy Samsung printers
[15:51] <Pure> xD
[15:51] <PhotoJim> buy from companies that are open source or well supported
[15:51] <echelon> i don't know any
[15:51] <PhotoJim> even if you only use Windows, it's better for everyone.
[15:51] <PhotoJim> my Brother works fine with Linux.
[15:51] <PhotoJim> there are plenty.
[15:51] <PhotoJim> if they support PCL or PostScript, you're golden.
[15:52] <PhotoJim> they're open standards.
[15:52] <Zencrypter> BTW, I got this laser printer from my aunt... So I thought it would be fun to install it on the Pi and make it a network printer...
[15:52] <echelon> well, i just use cups with my samsung, connected to a dedicated server
[15:52] <echelon> ive had it for 6yrs
[15:53] <echelon> Zencrypter: why do you need it connected directly to the pi?
[15:53] <Zencrypter> To make it available for printing on my 3 computers @ home :?
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[15:54] <echelon> and the pi would be stationary?
[15:54] <Zencrypter> Yes, i don't use it elsewhere...
[15:54] <echelon> with everything else you can do with it, having it run as a print server seems to be a waste
[15:55] <Zencrypter> echelon, As I said, it's always ON so it was a good occasion...
[15:55] <echelon> there's even more low profile devices that can do that
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[15:57] <echelon> actually.. i don't even remember having to install any drivers for my samsung
[15:58] <echelon> i just plugged it in, set it up with cups
[15:58] <echelon> and located the filters
[15:58] <Pure> Ok, so I just got rivers for my printer
[15:58] <Pure> Rather, source code for the drivers.
[15:58] <Zencrypter> echelon, It seems that I can't set it properly with CUPS
[15:58] <Zencrypter> My printer is the Samsung ML-1674
[15:59] <Zencrypter> And there is no correct driver available.
[15:59] <PhotoJim> echelon: sounds like the Pi is already on 24/7 so no waste at all if he can get it to work. but I don't think he will.
[15:59] <Zencrypter> I tried the driver for the ML-1660 which was available, but if printed "Use propre driver"
[15:59] <PhotoJim> Find someone with an older HP or something and trade. they'll think it's an upgrade. :)
[15:59] <Pure> How difficult will it be to work
[15:59] <echelon> Zencrypter: does cups identify it?
[16:00] <Zencrypter> echelon, Yes, it is listed as an avaiable printer
[16:00] <Zencrypter> available*
[16:00] <echelon> so what happens
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[16:03] <echelon> i recall i needed to put this file.. rastertosamsungspl into /usr/lib/cups/filter
[16:03] <Pure> Ok, I needs CUPS, yes?
[16:03] <echelon> yeah
[16:04] <Pure> Is it yum or apt-get?
[16:04] <echelon> i don't know, whatever you regularly use
[16:04] <Pure> I meant in raspbian :P
[16:04] <PhotoJim> apt-get if it's Raspbian
[16:04] <PhotoJim> (I use "aptitude", I like it better)
[16:04] <Pure> What package is CUPS?
[16:05] <Tachyon`> cups
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[16:05] <Pure> Err http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main ssl-cert all 1.0.31
[16:05] <Pure> 404 Not Found
[16:05] <Pure> Uh...yeah
[16:05] <Hodapp> Pure: apt-get update
[16:05] <Hodapp> done that first?
[16:06] <Pure> Doing that now.
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[16:06] <Zencrypter> Back...
[16:06] <Zencrypter> My Internet connection failed :?
[16:06] <Pure> Ick D:
[16:06] <Zencrypter> So, then I can see Samsung ML-1651 and then Samsung ML-1660
[16:07] <Zencrypter> But there is no Samsung ML-1670 or ML-1674
[16:07] <Pure> I can print from a pipe, right?
[16:07] <Hodapp> well, CUPS can act like lpr, and you can print from a pipe with lpr, so I think so
[16:09] <PhotoJim> you need a printer that supports line printing to do piped printing... most printers these days are bitmap printers.
[16:09] <PhotoJim> but if CUPS can make it act like a line printer, then yes.
[16:10] <Zencrypter> It has printed the test page
[16:10] <Zencrypter> It's written "Internal error - Please use proper driver."
[16:10] <Zencrypter> "Position : 0x0 (0)"
[16:11] <Zencrypter> "SYSTEM : h6fw_5.49/x1_op"
[16:11] <Zencrypter> "Line : 180"
[16:11] <Zencrypter> "Version : SPL 5.49 10-20-2010"
[16:11] <Zencrypter> That's it
[16:12] <PhotoJim> so that ain't it.
[16:12] <PhotoJim> from what I've seen, you won't get this running without an i386/amd64-based Linux host.
[16:12] <PhotoJim> not until someone reverse engineers it and makes an open source driver.
[16:13] <styx_> i just tried to setup a wifi access point with my raspberry pi. i can connect to it with my laptop, android phone and another laptop, but the iphone still wont connect with the following hostapd settings: http://dpaste.com/842940/ Any clue?
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[16:15] <PhotoJim> styx_: your WiFi NIC on your Pi needs to be in host mode for iOS to connect to it. Not sure if that's your problem, but if it's in peer mode, you'll need to change it to host mode (a lot of WiFi NICs don't support host mode).
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[16:16] <echelon> you mean master mode?
[16:16] <styx_> iirc is my pi in host mode. i followed this tutorial http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot
[16:17] <PhotoJim> echelon: Yes.
[16:17] <PhotoJim> styx: what's your WiFi NIC?
[16:17] <PhotoJim> i.e. what chipset does it have?
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[16:18] <styx_> Using interface mon.wlan0/7C:DD:90:16:F2:BE with driver <rt2800usb> (version: 3.2.27+)
[16:18] <Zencrypter> PhotoJim, echelon, I've seen this : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22498&p=227390#p227390
[16:18] <Zencrypter> What do you think about it ?
[16:18] <styx_> PhotoJim: Its a Ralink Chipset. It should support master mode
[16:18] <PhotoJim> styx_: not sure then, my idea is probably wrong.
[16:19] <PhotoJim> my AP runs on hostapd (on an Alix 2D3 not a Pi) and my iOS devices have no issue at all with it.
[16:20] <styx_> can i see your config please?
[16:20] <PhotoJim> Zencrypter: No idea, but sounds interesting if you want to keep the footprint light.
[16:20] <PhotoJim> styx_: sure, one sec
[16:20] <echelon> yeah, i'm not familiar with it
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[16:21] <Gorroth> hey all
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[16:24] <Pure> Should cups be able to discover my network printer?
[16:26] <PhotoJim> styx_: http://dpaste.com/842941/
[16:26] <PhotoJim> bbiab, gotta make some food
[16:26] <styx_> http://dpaste.com/842942/ thats my iw list output. master mode should be supported
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[16:28] <Pure> What are libtool and autoconf in? binutils?
[16:28] <mgottschlag> Pure: I don't think so
[16:29] <Gorroth> Pure: are those already installed? if they are, you can use dpkg to figure out what package they belong to
[16:29] <Pure> They're not
[16:29] <Pure> :P
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[16:30] <_mru_> those are probably their own packages
[16:30] <Pure> Yup
[16:31] <Gorroth> apt-cache search libtool
[16:31] <Gorroth> and same for autoconf
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[16:32] <Pure> Got it. So much work to get a printer to work
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[16:32] <Pure> But when it's done, I can just do 'echo "Hello, World" | lp'?
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[16:39] <Pure> Hehe. Compiling never used to take this long!
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[16:41] <Zencrypter> I've seen the IPP protocol...
[16:41] <Pure> Ok, just got an error that there's no cups/cups.h
[16:41] <Pure> Is it possible that cups didn't install it's headers right?
[16:41] <Zencrypter> Doesn't this allows us to forward the instruction (job) to a printer by installing it on a PC ?
[16:41] <Zencrypter> (And not on the server)
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[16:44] <mgottschlag> Pure: did you install the -dev package of libcups?
[16:44] <Pure> Aaaaah.
[16:44] <Pure> -is an idiot-
[16:46] <Pure> Interestingly, can't ifnd libcups
[16:47] <tonsofpcs> Is there something special I need to do on first boot of a new rpi even if I have an SD card already made up and working on a previous rpi? (all are "B")
[16:47] <InControl> anyone know what version of Python is installed in raspbian
[16:48] <styx_> PhotoJim: doesnt work either. but there are dhcp requests :/
[16:48] <tonsofpcs> I have one that I've had for a month or two that I have an SD card with raspbian on it, it boots with a USB audio 'card' attached (via powered hub), ethernet attached, and power attached. DHCP grabs an address and allows SSH connections.
[16:49] <tonsofpcs> Two new Pis, each acts differently. One lights up link on my switch but won't light link or act on the pi; other doesn't even light up link.
[16:51] <styx_> PhotoJim: http://dpaste.com/842950/ The laptop says connected. The iphone always tries to connect and reconnect and reconnects (...) and aborts :/
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[16:53] <Pure> Anyone know what the exact name of libcups is
[16:53] <PhotoJim> styx_: no idea... maybe hard reset the iPhone. might work.
[16:54] <PhotoJim> that sounds like a dhcp issue, not a WiFi issue.
[16:54] <styx_> gnah :/ crappy apple :/
[16:54] <PhotoJim> my iDevices work fine with my Linux access point. so it's not Apple per se.
[16:54] <styx_> Which subnet do you use?
[16:55] <Pure> Yes, I have libcups-dev installed
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[16:56] <styx_> Thats the dhcpd log: http://dpaste.com/842950/
[16:57] <styx_> You can ignore the "Frantics-" strings, thats my log-pasting-fail. The dhcpd log only shows two devices, a laptop and an iphone
[16:58] <Pure> Anyone got any idea where I can find the stuff provided by libcups?
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[17:00] <PhotoJim> styx_: your iPhone is just not getting an IP for some reason. very odd. maybe restart your dhcp daemon?
[17:01] <PhotoJim> styx_: my local subnet for my WiFi is 192.168.223.0/25
[17:01] <styx_> i restarted it several times.. and tried another one. the ics-dhcp-server package and the busybox one
[17:01] <PhotoJim> isc- is the one I use
[17:02] <styx_> Ah, i can ping the iphone with a static adress
[17:03] <PhotoJim> so it is a dhcp problem
[17:03] <styx_> can i see your config please ;)?
[17:04] <PhotoJim> it's complicated :) I have a lot of static devices
[17:04] <PhotoJim> but let me find the meat of it
[17:04] <styx_> :D
[17:06] <PhotoJim> styx_: http://pastebin.com/83gEjv7V that's the meat of it. I have a separate wired subnet that I've excluded.
[17:07] <PhotoJim> styx_: I have photojim.prv resolve on my name server with my local IPs, hence my use of names.
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[17:43] <vespakoen> Hey guys, I am the owner of Minifo (farnell's belgium reseller for raspi's) my dad came up with the idea of making tiny little splitter boxes (3 rj45 sockets & 1 mini usb socket) so you can hook a lot of raspi's together with *just* a network cable (PoE), there would also be a "main" box that has a rj45 socket and a connector for the power supply, depending on how many raspi's you are going to link together, you can connect th
[17:43] <vespakoen> e appropiate power supply. now my question is, would anyone of you be interested in such product?
[17:44] <Matt> why three RJ45s?
[17:45] <vespakoen> so you can keep linking =)
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[17:46] <vespakoen> 1 input, 1 output to the raspberry pi, 1 output to the next "box"
[17:46] <Muzer> what's the mini USB for, then?
[17:46] <vespakoen> power supply for the raspberry pi
[17:46] <Muzer> oh, of course.
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> that's microusb ...
[17:46] <vespakoen> so, the power goes over the ethernet cable (see PoE)
[17:46] <vespakoen> yeh micro, sorry
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> the whole usb A/B/mini/micro is just a mess IMO.
[17:47] <vespakoen> =D
[17:47] <vespakoen> true that
[17:47] <vespakoen> and apple takes it to the next level
[17:47] <martk100> Is there any way I can split the pi memory 128/128 on entry to xbmc and back to 64/192 on exit back to Debian?
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> Do be careful with passing PoE - if you feed it into a Pi, it can make the Ethernet socket/transciever get rather hot...
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> passive PoE*
[17:48] <BurtyB> would probably end up quite expensive I'd imagine with PoE
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> as I found out way back..
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> I fed 18v into it.
[17:48] <vespakoen> k cool, yeh, it's just an idea, we will make a prototype to see if it works nicely, I was just curious about if this is something someone could actually make good use of
[17:48] <vespakoen> BurtyB, shouln't have to be, its a very simple system
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[17:49] <Armand> gordonDrogon, you put 18V down a network cable? Into a port?
[17:49] <zzzoid> is android working and available for the RPi yet?
[17:50] <mgottschlag> vespakoen: depending on who you are targetting, you might make it more useful if it included some way to hard-reset the pi
[17:50] <vespakoen> the PeO that we are planning to make will be isolated from the raspberry pi btw
[17:50] <vespakoen> mgottschlag, great idea! thanks
[17:51] <BurtyB> vespakoen, really? last time I looked at PoE it wasn't cheap if you used something like a Ag9050-S
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[17:53] <vespakoen> quoting my dad here: that's Ag9050-s is switching, he will, if he will, make it linear
[17:53] <vespakoen> I am more at home in the software-side of things =)
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[17:55] <BurtyB> vespakoen, so you're not using the PoE standard just DC over the cable?
[17:56] <vespakoen> dad: "DC over the cable is ok, it would use a linear voltage regulator to go back to 5V"
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[17:58] <BurtyB> vespakoen, if you say so - I'd be worried about that my self as you'd need to use a higher voltage to get around the current capability of cat5 cable (~0.5A iirc) and then you'd be loosing too much power as heat with a linear regulator so it would sounds a bad idea to me.
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[17:59] <UnaClocker> KiCad runs great on the Raspberry Pi.. I was pretty surprised.
[18:00] <vespakoen> BurtyB, this would only be applied to a "closed network" of Raspberry Pi's, so no connections to the outside world (except for 1 regular ethernet)
[18:00] <Pure> Hm, I'm getting this from lpstat -p
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[18:00] <Pure> /usr/lib/cups/filter/gstoraster failed
[18:00] <Pure> Any ideas?
[18:00] <vespakoen> besides, Raspberry Pi is also 0.5A
[18:00] <BurtyB> vespakoen, that doesn't help with the power requirements of the pi especially if you're wanting to chain
[18:01] <vespakoen> Correct.. so the alternative would be another cable..
[18:01] <vespakoen> Anyways, thanks a lot for your input, nice brainstorm session =) I am going to have dinner now, will keep you guys informed! =D
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[18:05] <pksato> Standard PoE can delivery 12.95W, 48V line voltage.
[18:05] <Armand> pksato, depends on what you want to blow up. :P
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[18:07] <mgottschlag> vespakoen: more like 0.7A though, so if you want many pis on one PoE line, switching converters might be beneficial
[18:10] <BurtyB> mgottschlag, I don't thiknk he really meant PoE more a power over "ethernet" cabling/connectors
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[18:10] <mgottschlag> ah, I see, you already mentioned that issue :)
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[18:12] <mythos> a poe capable pi would be awesome =D
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[18:13] <Armand> Ohhh, reminds me.. I need to draw a quick design for my solar panel mount.
[18:13] <shiftplusone> Armand, how's the whole thing coming along?
[18:14] <Armand> Everything works fine. :)
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[18:14] <Armand> I'm not using the solar just yet, as I can't put the kit anywhere. :(
[18:14] <zzzoid> which is the best android build for RPi?
[18:14] <shiftplusone> ah , sounds promising
[18:15] <Armand> It's looking good.. it all checks out :D
[18:15] <Armand> I soldered the wires to the LV regulator the other day.
[18:15] <Armand> My soldering is crap.. needs practice. :P
[18:16] <shiftplusone> Do you expect it to be able to operate 24/7? =S
[18:16] <Armand> I think so.. with only 1 panel and Pi.
[18:17] <shiftplusone> Hope you document it a bit once you're done (with the calculations and so on).
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[18:18] <Armand> Me? Calculate ?
[18:18] <Armand> Document??... Errrkkk..
[18:19] <shiftplusone> ...but..but... the people.... with the questions about solar....
[18:19] <shiftplusone> and the linking them to something.....
[18:19] <Armand> Bought the wrong notepad. >_<
[18:19] <zzzoid> where can i get the broadcom android from?
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[18:20] <Armand> www.baked-pi.co.uk < shiftplusone, that's all I have online at the moment.. but it only covers a few basics, no logical process. :(
[18:20] * shiftplusone wonders if there actually is a "broadcom android" for pi in the first place.
[18:21] <shiftplusone> Armand, alright, thanks
[18:22] <Armand> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320951351391?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[18:22] <Armand> I need some of those, for splitting power from the USB ports.
[18:25] <_mru_> don't even think about using such a monstrosity
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[18:26] <Armand> It's only to provide a 5v line from my regulator.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> Armand, yes. I have a passive power injector that puts 18v down the unused pairs of a 10/100Mb ethernet cable. I have some devices that use it.
[18:27] <Armand> O_O
[18:27] <Armand> So... not directly into a PC LAN port ?
[18:27] <gordonDrogon> Armand, it was a bit much for the terminators inside the Ethernet transciever - they got hot & smelly...
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon> yes, directly into the Pi's LAN port.
[18:27] <Armand> I thought that would just cook everything??
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> the LAN port has terminating reistors/transformers. they just got a bit hot.
[18:28] <Armand> Ahh.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> I normally use that cable for an ALIX motherboard which is designed to take 18v that way.
[18:28] <Armand> I'm not taking any chances with mine... that's why I haven't put power to GPIO yet. :P
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon> you can feed 5v into the GPIO port if you are careful.
[18:29] <Armand> Yeah.. I want to use a 1A fuse with that.
[18:29] <Armand> I need to buy some first.
[18:30] <Armand> I hate being so limited by lack of funds. >_<
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[18:30] <gordonDrogon> I never bothered... The 7805 I used will sort of self-limit...
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> I did put a diode in the circuit though - just in-case I pushed the reverse button on the power supply I was using (LEGO)
[18:32] <Armand> LM2596S
[18:32] <Armand> I have 2 regulators based on those, providing 5v.
[18:33] <Armand> Or, 5.25v?
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[19:06] <hotwings> so whats the lead time like these days (element14 preferably)
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[19:20] <echelon> what's the mpeg-2 and vc-1 license for
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[19:29] <atouk> hardware decoding
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[19:31] <echelon> hmm ok
[19:31] <echelon> what does mpeg-2 apply to
[19:31] <echelon> divx/xvid?
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[19:32] <_mru_> divx/xvid is mpeg-4 asp
[19:32] <_mru_> aka iso 14496-2
[19:32] <_mru_> mpeg-2 is what dvds use
[19:32] <echelon> oh
[19:32] <_mru_> and sdtv
[19:32] <echelon> i don't need it then i think
[19:32] <_mru_> hdtv is usually h264
[19:33] <echelon> so mpeg-4/h.264 has hardware-level decoding?
[19:33] <echelon> without need of a license?
[19:33] <_mru_> the board comes with a licence for h264
[19:33] <_mru_> not sure about mpeg4
[19:34] <echelon> hmm ok
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[19:35] <eix> hi!
[19:36] <eix> I am trying to troubleshoot a problem with no audio over HDMI. shall any DMT mode work with audio?
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[19:41] <eix> oh, that's weird. hello_audio 1 works as expected, but omxplayer does not
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[19:45] <eix> ok, it's an issue of omxplayer. needs -o hdmi
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[19:57] <Patagonicus> _mru_, echelon: I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure MP4 decoding is done in software. It's not very complicated as it just reading a header and then pushing blocks of data (= the h264 stream) with given lengths and positions to the hardware decoder.
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[20:01] <a1will> If i'm plannin on attaching external hardrives for nas, do i need to reformat to fat32? or will ntfs work?
[20:01] <zenodub> Your NAS will be slow.
[20:01] <eix> zenodub: why that?
[20:02] <zenodub> network is only 100
[20:02] <a1will> if the drives are ntfs?
[20:02] <zenodub> but it should work
[20:02] <a1will> oh i see
[20:02] <zenodub> I'd probably do ext, but fat32 should work
[20:02] <a1will> not ntfs?
[20:02] <eix> I am even using wifi..but it's ok, I can still stream videos, a lot depends from what you do with it
[20:02] <eix> Hd videos would probably not work smoothly
[20:02] <Patagonicus> It should work, the driver is no longer marked experimental. I don't know if the default Pi kernel has support for NTFS compiled in.
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[20:03] <eix> ntfs-3g is fine
[20:03] <a1will> i'll have it wired into network....want to stream/ftp from it
[20:03] <zenodub> http://www.openmediavault.org/ I use this at home on a debian box and it's gret
[20:03] <zenodub> *great
[20:03] <zenodub> never tried it with a pi though
[20:03] <zenodub> actually would be a pain to get working i suppose
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[20:05] <a1will> I use my desktop (connected to tv) to play all media...so i just need to be able to access my archive of stuff that will be connected to pi, and play it through my desktop....plrobably multiple ways to do that i suppose...
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[20:06] <Patagonicus> a1will: The easiest/fastest would probably be NFS ??? if your desktop is running Linux. For Windows use Samba (= Windows shares), for Mac OS I'd go with either Samba or sshfs.
[20:07] <a1will> ya..windows on my pc...
[20:08] <a1will> I'm having trouble setting mnt dir on attached drive...keep getting read only errors
[20:08] <a1will> grrr
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[20:08] <Patagonicus> There's also a Windows tool to mount FTP as a drive, but I don't think it will work as well a Windows share. Samba isn't too bad either and I think the Pi should handle the load quite well.
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[20:09] <a1will> any advice about the read only problem i stated?
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[20:11] <Zehle> I want to use my Raspberrypi to reda
[20:12] <Zehle> I want to use my Raspberrypi to read tempreature from a PT1000. What I need to do is to send a Voltage from the GPIO and recieve another one and then calculate the Ohm, what do I do? :)=
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[20:15] <Patagonicus> a1will: You have NTFS on the disk? The official Raspberry Pi kernel is compiled without NTFS write support. You could use ntfs-3g, which is a FUSE file system driver (so it is running as a user program with just some small coding glue running in the kernel) or compile your own kernel with NTFS write support. Or use another file system, which would mean backing up all your data.
[20:16] <ryao> When I plug in my Raspberry Pi, should I see something appear on HDMI out?
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[20:16] <Zehle> I want to use my Raspberrypi to read tempreature from a PT1000. What I need to do is to send a Voltage from the GPIO and recieve another one and then calculate the Ohm, what do I do? :) ANYONE?
[20:17] <Patagonicus> ryao: Without an SD card mine doesn't show anything.
[20:17] <ryao> Patagonicus: I had a SD card. :/
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[20:17] <ryao> It had Gentoo on it.
[20:18] <Patagonicus> Huh, well you should see Gentoo booting then. I think there is a test image that is shown before the kernel is loaded, but that may be controlled by the config.txt.
[20:18] <Holden> Zehle, it's not that immediate. pt1000 has a resistence of 1000?? at ??C, and it rises with temperature as in this picture http://www.ojelectronics.com/Files/Billeder/TABELLER/foler-PT-1000.gif . tipically you need to use a constant current generator and an A/D converter to hook it up to a rpi
[20:18] <Holden> at 0??C*
[20:19] <Zehle> Holden: So what you're saying is that the Pi??s power delievery is to weak? Would it work with the PT100?
[20:19] <ryao> Patagonicus: I didn't see it. :/
[20:20] <Holden> no, it's not a matter of 'power', the problem is you need an interfacing circuit, which can be a bit complicated (I get you're new at this stuff?)... so you're probably better off with one of those I??C digital temperature sensors
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[20:21] <a1will> Is ntfs-3g in raspbian wheezy already? if not..does anyone know a repo where i can get it?
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[20:22] <ryao> a1will: You could try compiling it.
[20:23] <Patagonicus> ryao: Do you have the first partition on the SD card formatted as FAT32 and all the files needed for the Pi to boot? start.elf, bootcode.bin, fixup.dat, fixup_cd.dat, start_cd.elf and kernel.img?
[20:23] <ryao> Patagonicus: No. It is FAT16.
[20:23] <ryao> Patagonicus: I assume that this is why.
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[20:24] <Patagonicus> Hmm, I haven't tested FAT16.
[20:24] <Zehle> Holden: Yeah I'm pretty new at it ;) But shou8ldn't it just eb a matter of "sending" one voltage and recieving another at the other end, then by using U=I*R to get the Ohm?
[20:24] <Patagonicus> Zehle: The GPIO on the Pi only does "on" and "off", where "on" is 3V.
[20:25] <Zehle> Patagonicus: So you mean it can't measure voltage? :)
[20:25] <Patagonicus> Yep.
[20:26] <Holden> Zehle, in theory, yes... the correct way would be sending a current (say 100uA) and reading the voltage and then use R=V/I and from that curve translate that value to temperature. the problem is, rpi can't use analog voltages or currents without an A/D and D/A
[20:26] <artag> you could probably, with a small capacitor, make a Pi pin into an A/D converter that works like a PC's joystick input. But it wouldn't be accurate enough to work properly with a PT1000 sensor
[20:27] <Zehle> Holden, Patagoncius, Altight I get it now....so it only controlls stuff and doesn't really communicate as much(throught the GPIO that is)
[20:27] <Holden> Zehle, it can, but you need external circuitry or a gertboard or something like that
[20:28] <Zehle> Holden: Okej, I think I get it...:P IT can't handlr Analog signals by it self ?
[20:28] <artag> that's exactly right, yes
[20:28] <Holden> exactly, Zehle
[20:28] <Zehle> How do you get this to scroll by itseld?(The IRC)
[20:29] <Zehle> Holden: Alright, thank you! :) Then a A/D converter...cheap/expensive....worth it? Or should I just do it in some other way?
[20:30] <Holden> Zehle, these days very cheap, all electronics is... but then you need to learn what an A/D is, how you can interface with the rpi, and how you can read the values via software...
[20:31] <Zehle> Holden: yes, yes...you could say it's alot of work? :)
[20:32] <artag> it depends what you want to measure. Usually a PT1000 is for fairly accurate and high temperature measurement. If you want the best out of it, you will need to design a circuit to do that. But if you erally only need to measure room temperature you could use a digital temperature sensor like the 18B20
[20:32] <Holden> it is, if you're new... Zehle
[20:32] <Zehle> +artag: It's a ,atter of, 40-90 Celsius
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[20:33] <Holden> Zehle, here you should find a temperature logger, i think it uses a digital sensor, http://learn.adafruit.com/category/raspberry-pi
[20:33] <Zehle> Holden: okej...:P Then I know that. Do you program in python and PHP? :)
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[20:33] <artag> https://www.adafruit.com/products/381
[20:33] <Holden> Zehle, I've always wanted to learn python, only C for the moment
[20:34] <artag> those are quite convenient to use
[20:34] <Holden> brb
[20:34] <Zehle> Holden: Okej, I'm trying to, just for the Pi :)
[20:34] <Zehle> +artag: Thank you! I'll have a look! :)
[20:35] <Zehle> +artag: I've got something like that
[20:35] <Zehle> +artag: Oh, that's digital.....
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[20:38] <ryao> Hmm... my SD card is disintegrating. I guess that doesn't help.
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[20:48] <nahmaste> does raspbian have an installer like the typical debian installer? i want to build a custom rootfs with a minimal set of packages installed similar to how its done with a new debian installation
[20:49] <ryao> Does anyone know how to view cluster and sector size information of a pre-formatted fat32 volume?
[20:49] <ryao> nahmaste: You could debootstrap (or use Gentoo).
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[21:11] <opieng> hi all how can I watch youtube videos using Raspbian?
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[21:12] <Patagonicus> I don't think Flash will work well. You could download them using youtube-dl or any other tool and then watch the .mp4s using a normal video player. Maybe there's even a GUI out there to watch YouTube videos without Flash (XBMC has a plugin, works on OpenELEC, allthough I can't sign in and the menu stuff is pretty slow. But 1080p plays fine)
[21:14] <opieng> Patagonicus, yes I tried raspbmc and Xbian, and I find them really slow, I wondered if I could do this through Raspbian
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[21:23] <_mru_> the rpi itself is kinda slow
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[21:25] <opieng> _mru_, yes maybe it wont be much better through Raspbian
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[21:35] <ohhmaar> opieng: Did you overclock yours yet?
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[21:38] <opieng> no have you ohhmaar ?
[21:40] <CelticTurnip> youtube supports html5, why do you need flash?
[21:40] <opieng> CelticTurnip, how can I do that?
[21:40] <opieng> sorry new to the pi
[21:41] <CelticTurnip> you can tybe youtube html5 in to google I guess?
[21:41] <CelticTurnip> all you do is enable html5 in youtube, and use a html5 enabled browser
[21:41] <opieng> oh ok, thanks CelticTurnip your right I should have looked it up :)
[21:42] <CelticTurnip> it's actually on youtubes website, I think you turn it on down at the bottom... I wasn't actually giving you a get your butt on google message, I just can't remember where it is, I enabled it years ago :)
[21:43] <pksato> I using a touchpad (salvaged from old desknote) on rpi.
[21:43] <opieng> Thanks
[21:45] <Patagonicus> It's youtube.com/html5 but I think it doesn't work for all videos. Especially videos that have been uploaded only a short time ago and very unpopular ones.
[21:46] <Hydrar> It doesn't work on popular ones either
[21:46] <Hydrar> Anything with ads refuses to load in HTML5
[21:46] <Hydrar> Figured this out trying to open pewdiepie's channel on my tablet
[21:47] <CelticTurnip> people still get ads in youtube videos?
[21:47] <CelticTurnip> you guys don't block that crap?
[21:47] <CelticTurnip> I don't think I've seen a youtube add in 3 years
[21:47] <CelticTurnip> anyway I'm off
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[21:47] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: i saw one once and was like WHAT WAS THAT?
[21:48] <ackthet> thne realize it was a fresh install :D
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[21:48] <Patagonicus> Interestingly, the Android App displays ads too. But that only happend to me once. Most of the stuff I watch probably doesn't attract enough attention to be a target for ads.
[21:49] <ackthet> Patagonicus: you need to root your device then :D
[21:50] <Patagonicus> It is, but AdFree doesn't seem to work my latest ROM. But I'm getting a new phone for Christmas/my birthday anyway.
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[21:50] <ackthet> well adaway works on the latest AOSP
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[21:54] <VanDyke> awesome
[21:55] <VanDyke> got my 2nd board
[21:55] <VanDyke> it's been... let's see... 5 months
[21:55] <VanDyke> at least got it upgraded to v2
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir> Are there any USB computer fans that can be attached via legos? I'm looking to mod my current lego cases with fans cause I don't like my PI's idling around 50-60c
[21:56] <Hydrar> Ducttape
[21:58] <GabrialDestruir> Well yes I could just duct tape it into place, I was looking for an easier method before I did something like that though :p
[21:59] <Hydrar> I would 3d print a lego piece to fit, but I'm kinda spoiled by having built a 3d printer already
[21:59] <VanDyke> can't you just use one of those GPU ramsinks?
[21:59] <VanDyke> that should be able to dissipate the heat pretty well
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[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> Aye, but I'd need to redo the cases completely to go the heatsink method, I know a fan works, but with the addition of a powered hub to my Pi shelf I have no space to plug one into the wall, I figured a small USB powered fan would do the trick, was hoping there was a lego one available someone knew about so I could make minimal changes to the builds.
[22:03] <noblezeus> Is there a command to check the pi's temp?
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> sudo vcgencmd measure_temp
[22:03] <GabrialDestruir> I think
[22:04] <pksato> temp=48.2'C
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[22:05] <GabrialDestruir> Yea mine runs a bit hotter, I'm assuming from the environment+legos probably hold in the heat. lol
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[22:07] <VanDyke> the GPU ramsinks are usually low profile and wouldn't go over the USB connector height
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[22:09] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm
[22:09] <UnaClocker> How do I check my temps?
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[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> Well I do have some free space in the case, it might be a tight fit...
[22:11] <GabrialDestruir> and if it does touch the case it should be fine, I can't imagine the heatsink pulling away enough heat to affect those xD
[22:11] <pksato> I put some heatsink on top of cpu, temp=43.3'C
[22:13] <GabrialDestruir> Are there 7" HD TVs that could be used with the Pi?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> Technically, you put a heatsink on the RAM, as the SOC (CPU) is under the ram
[22:13] <IT_Sean> GabrialDestruir, anything w/ an HDMI goesinta
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[22:14] <azeam> UnaClocker: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[22:14] <pksato> ethernet chip get moe hot.
[22:14] <UnaClocker> GabrialDestruir: Adafruit just came out with a fairly high res 7"screen for the pi..
[22:14] <UnaClocker> If you don't mind paying 21" prices...
[22:14] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm it is a bit pricey...
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir> Could grab everything I need to mod a laptop dock for cheaper.
[22:15] <UnaClocker> It'd go great with one of those $70 cases... heh
[22:15] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I just ordered a lapdock for $40..
[22:15] <GabrialDestruir> I do like their Low Profile MicroSD card adapters
[22:16] <GabrialDestruir> I might order a couple of those
[22:16] <UnaClocker> Wonder what ever happend with the guy that kickstarted some of those...
[22:16] <nahmaste> anyone here get their pi from adafruit with their starter kit? i thought the power supply was supposed to eliminate the power issues with USB devices but my wireless microsoft arc keyboard has the "sticky" keys problem (where it either doesnt register keystrokes or the keys repeat)
[22:17] <oldtopman> nahmaste: Your keyboard might just be drawing too much power.
[22:17] <scummos> i don't have a "professional" EMI shielding box here. what could I use as a replacement? I tried a cookie jar made of metal but it doesn't seem to be good enough.
[22:17] <oldtopman> scummos: What do you need an EMI shielding box for?
[22:17] <scummos> oldtopman: I built a frequency synthesizer and if I turn it on all wireless networks in the environemnt collapse ;D
[22:18] <oldtopman> srsly?
[22:18] <scummos> yes
[22:18] <oldtopman> Nice.
[22:18] <nahmaste> oldtopman: are you familiar with the adafruit power supply? should it support multiple wireless devices (keyboard, mouse, and/or joystick)?
[22:18] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't that technically illegal... xD
[22:18] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: yes ;P
[22:18] <VanDyke> GabrialDestruir, http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/enbmfocobgar.html
[22:18] <scummos> it as a core oscillator frequency of 2.408GHz, so that's to be expected if something of that radiation gets out of the chip
[22:18] <scummos> (for certain output frequencies, that is)
[22:19] <oldtopman> nahmaste: Any USB power supply can only (by spec) give 1000mw. The Pi can only really do 500mw/usb port. If you exceed that, you get that problem.
[22:19] <UnaClocker> 49.2C running XChat and not much else... No case, just a shield plugged into the header..
[22:19] <oldtopman> scummos: Details?
[22:19] * oldtopman wants one
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[22:19] <scummos> oldtopman: it's just an ADF4350 chip with some wiring
[22:19] <oldtopman> But isn't the point of a jammer to be able to, you know, jam?
[22:19] <scummos> oldtopman: theoretically it can synthesize frequencies between 137 and 44000 MHz
[22:19] <scummos> it's not a jammer :D
[22:19] <scummos> it's not supposed to be one
[22:19] <scummos> it just happens to be one by chance
[22:19] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm... have any pictures of that on an actual Pi, VanDyke?
[22:20] <oldtopman> If I don't know why you need an EMI shielding box, how am I supposed to help you find one :P
[22:20] <scummos> that 44000 should be 4400
[22:20] <scummos> well the board should just give me an output signal through a BNC cable... and not crash my wireless network
[22:20] <GabrialDestruir> Also, with something like that what am I looking at for install? Thermal Paste, or just pop it into and go?
[22:20] <scummos> so I want to put it into a shielding box
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[22:20] <VanDyke> GabrialDestruir, don't have any, sorry
[22:20] <oldtopman> oic
[22:21] <VanDyke> GabrialDestruir, it comes with a special double-sided tape attached to it
[22:21] <nahmaste> so is there a work-around for making the rpi usb more stable? like a powered usb hub or something?
[22:21] <oldtopman> scummos: Those get rather complex quicky, especially if it's causing issues. Maybe you could try to make your own lead-lined box?
[22:21] <oldtopman> nahmaste: You got it! Some cheap powered hubs don't work though.
[22:21] <oldtopman> IMO, just get a cheap keyboard that doesn't draw as much power.
[22:21] <IT_Sean> nahmaste, a powered hub would be recommended for anything other than a basic mouse and keyboard.
[22:22] <VanDyke> nahmaste, I've had success using a cyber-power powered USB hub, 7 ports
[22:22] <scummos> oldtopman: how do you mean, get complex?
[22:22] <opieng> anyone had good results fro overclocking the pi using raspbian?
[22:22] <VanDyke> it's on the recommended hubs list
[22:22] <GabrialDestruir> It'd probably be cheaper and safer to build like a waterbox to hold it in, wouldn't you? Don't know the exact specs you need but a certain amount of water on all sides is suppose to be equivalent to a lead box.
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[22:23] <nahmaste> oldtopman, IT_Sean, VanDyke: great, thx guys
[22:23] <oldtopman> nahmaste: No prob.
[22:23] <IT_Sean> aye
[22:23] <oldtopman> scummos: Shielding EMI is complex. It's got to be more than airtight, it's got to be RF-tight
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[22:24] <oldtopman> The waterbox sounds like a clever idea though.
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[22:24] <azeam> opieng: I'm using the following settings with raspbian and it's been working 100% fine: arm_freq=950, core_freq=500, sdram_freq=500, over_voltage=2
[22:25] <scummos> oldtopman: hmm, but isn't it basically "make a box which does not have too many large holes and has good conductivity?
[22:25] <scummos> "
[22:25] <oldtopman> scummos: That'll help a *lot*, but it depends on how "quiet" it needs to be to not crash wifi.
[22:25] <opieng> Apparently you can dynamic overclock using sudo raspi-config http://lifehacker.com/5944867/overclock-a-raspberry-pi-without-voiding-your-warranty
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir> Yes, yes you can.
[22:25] <GabrialDestruir> You've been able to for a while now.
[22:26] <GabrialDestruir> Though I'm kind of disappointed with lifehacker, after I tried their suggestion to turn the rPi into a cloud storage server....
[22:26] <opieng> I guess its safe and the pi remains under warrenty if you do use this overclocking up t 1000Hz
[22:26] <azeam> opieng: the settings I'm using don't void the warranty either
[22:26] <opieng> *Mhz
[22:26] <scummos> oldtopman: I don't think it's many orders of magnitude above the allowed threshold. it crashes the pi's wlan, which has a crappy stick, but my notebook stays functional (but has a lot of missed packets)
[22:27] <GabrialDestruir> the software they recommended was... highly inefficient
[22:27] <opieng> thats good
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[22:27] <GabrialDestruir> Could it be an issue with the rPi's stick as opposed to it crashing itself?
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[22:29] <scummos> that was not meant for me, was it?
[22:29] <GabrialDestruir> Aye, it seems you're trying to protect the device from it's own interference?
[22:30] <scummos> I'm trying to protect the surroundings from the frequency synthesizer's interference
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[22:30] <scummos> and the other way round, but that seems less critical for now ;)
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[22:30] <GabrialDestruir> Faraday Cage effect?
[22:31] <GabrialDestruir> Chicken wire or something?
[22:31] <scummos> yes, I'm wondering what would be suitable to achieve that.
[22:31] <scummos> a cookie jar wasn't that good, I could try tinfoil :D
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[22:32] <GabrialDestruir> Tinfoil might work.
[22:32] <scummos> also, should I or shouldn't I connect the shielding to GND?
[22:33] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm. Not sure on that one, I imagine it couldn't hurt, but unless you're expecting to zap it with real electricity, probably won't make a difference.
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[22:35] <scummos> I think I remember professional devices having cables going to the shielding...
[22:35] <scummos> I mean from what I think I know I'd also say it doesn't matter
[22:37] <Essobi> Zehle: You need
[22:37] <Essobi> Herp.. Wrong window.
[22:38] <GabrialDestruir> If I was going to do something like that, I think what I'd do is like make (somehow) an RF shielded hobby box. Then use connectors to the outside all on one side. Then from there put it in probably chicken wire would work.
[22:39] <nahmaste> anyone tried this belkin 4p powered usb hub? F4U040 is on the approved hubs for rpi list (but not F4U040V, which is what this one is): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Belkin+-+4-Port+USB+2.0+Powered+Hub/2389094.p?id=1218324435232&skuId=2389094&st=usb%20hub&cp=1&lp=5
[22:39] <GabrialDestruir> aluminum screen apparently works
[22:39] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.disaster-survival-resources.com/faraday-cage.html
[22:40] <GabrialDestruir> Building one of those would probably meet whatever you'd need.
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[22:43] <satellit> nahmaste: I use the F4U020 with the RPi Dell USB mouse and keyboard
[22:44] <satellit> 4 port HUB
[22:44] <GabrialDestruir> Wouldn't lighttpd work better on the Pi than apache?
[22:44] <ryao> I am trying out Raspbian. How do I install tmux?
[22:44] <rela> hi :)
[22:44] <zenodub> or ngnx :)
[22:44] <nahmaste> satellit: yeah, theres a bunch of SKUs, some work others dont. trying to see if someone knows if the F4U040V works...
[22:44] <satellit> ok
[22:45] <nahmaste> not sure what the V means
[22:45] <ryao> I am seeing this: http://bpaste.net/show/63049/
[22:45] <opieng> is this the recommended procedure for getting xbmc working in Raspbian? http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[22:45] <Patagonicus> ryao: I think for debian stable it's just sudo apt-get install tmux, but you may want to do an sudo apt-get update beforehand.
[22:45] <rela> i am searching a while now, but is anyone here aware of the instable driver for FTDI USB-Serial? is there any sollution besides setting usb speed to usb 1.1?
[22:46] <Patagonicus> ryao: (and Raspbian is either Debian stable or something newer so it should have a tmux package)
[22:46] <ryao> Patagonicus: sudo apt-get update is failing.
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[22:46] <Patagonicus> Hmm, sorry, haven't used Raspbian.
[22:46] <ryao> Patagonicus: What do you use?
[22:47] <ryao> I also don't plan to use it for long. I am just playing with it to get a feel for the hardware before I install Gentoo.
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> I think I need to build a lego "Case" to contain my USB hub, then get one of those like Lego platform type things to connect everything to it.
[22:48] <Patagonicus> Gentoo on a headless server and right now OpenELEC for XBMC. But I do want to try to get XBMC to compile on Gentoo so I can replace OpenELEC.
[22:48] <ryao> Patagonicus: Cool.
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[22:48] <ryao> Patagonicus: Do you use ZFS?
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[22:49] <Patagonicus> No, I'm on ext4. I'd use XFS for my data, but that doesn't shrinking which I want.
[22:50] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: heh, that looks pretty elaborate ;)
[22:50] <scummos> I'd like a bit more compact solution tough since I want to use it as an integrate device...
[22:50] <scummos> *integrated
[22:50] <scummos> I'll try the tinfoil method
[22:50] <ryao> Patagonicus: Do you mean ZFS and not XFS/
[22:51] <Patagonicus> No, I meant XFS. ZFS is too bloated for my taste. I'd rather use LUKS or LVM for that stuff, I'm happy with a file system that just stores files. Although brtfs' copy on write snapshots are pretty cool.
[22:52] <ryao> Bloated?
[22:52] <ryao> In what way?
[22:52] <GabrialDestruir> Well, I imagine you could do it on a much smaller scale, lol.
[22:52] <GabrialDestruir> That's just ya know the basic idea.
[22:53] <Patagonicus> Well, it has software RAID built in for example. Which btrfs does, too.
[22:53] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: yeah you're right of course, but a wire mesh solution always needs, like, a support frame... which will make the whole thing a bit larger.
[22:54] <ryao> Patagonicus: It isn't conventional RAID though.
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[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how well it'd work if you build like a small wood box, then layered the outside in wire mesh.
[22:54] <ryao> Patagonicus: You could ask about it in #zfsonlinux or #zfs. There are plenty of people that could answer questions about it.
[22:54] <ryao> Note that I am the Gentoo Linux ZFS maintainer, so I might be a bit biased. :P
[22:55] <Patagonicus> I'll stick with LVM, though. I like the philosophy of having one tool per job.
[22:55] <GabrialDestruir> Opposed to making the box mesh with framework
[22:55] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: probably the same. wood has almost no notable electric probabilities.
[22:55] <scummos> its epsilon is 3 or so, and mu is very close to 1
[22:55] <scummos> conductivity is extremely low
[22:55] <Patagonicus> Hehe, yeah, I don't think that's an objective opinion, then. :)
[22:55] <scummos> *properties
[22:56] <ryao> Patagonicus: That is why I use ZFS...
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> So just build your container with some sort of wood get the size you want then mesh the outside, voila :p
[22:56] <ryao> I have 1 tool for managing my data. :D
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> But tin foil will probably be cheaper because you probably already have some lying around
[22:57] <Patagonicus> ryao: And I have one tool for attaching names to data and putting these names in a hierachy and another to make sure its mirrored/striped/whatever. :)
[22:58] <ryao> Patagonicus: You can do that with ZFS too, although there isn't much point.
[22:59] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: yep :D
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[23:00] <ryao> ZFS does a better job of doing RAID on the CPU than a dedicated processor on a add-in board could. If you have ZFS as a volume manager, it doesn't make sense to use ext4 or something else on top. It is less reliable than just using ZFS.
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[23:01] <opieng> I think we should encourage the educated from the pi to use packages like Raspbian and not XBMC for learning purposes. Both are brill but Raspbian is a stronger learning tool.
[23:02] <Patagonicus> ryao: Are raid levels on a per pool basis or can I have one logical partition in a (pseudo?) RAID1 and another without RAID/as RAID0?
[23:02] <GabrialDestruir> Not everyone is using the Pi as a learning tool though.
[23:02] <GabrialDestruir> There are plenty of people who bought it to be a media center.
[23:03] <opieng> GabrialDestruir, thats true
[23:03] <ryao> Patagonicus: Pools are made out of vdevs.
[23:03] <ryao> vdevs can be single disks, mirrors, raidz (like raid 5/6) or files.
[23:03] <ryao> Striping is done across vdevs.
[23:03] <ryao> All storage is allocated from the pool.
[23:03] <GabrialDestruir> For example, I have a Pi that is dedicated to being a media center, while I have another one that I sometimes mess around with running raspbian
[23:03] <opieng> the pi is fantastic for both, I am just saying that the idea of the pi was to get things down to the bone and get learners to solve problems themselves
[23:04] <ryao> Has anyone measured the Raspberry Pi's power consumption at different overclocking levels?
[23:04] <opieng> thats brill GabrialDestruir
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[23:04] <Tachyon`> ryao: chkdsk for windows tells you teh cluster size I think
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[23:05] <Tachyon`> sector size is always 512 bytes (actually it isn't but as far as the machine is concerned it is)
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir> I need to invest in smaller USB cords...
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[23:05] <ryao> Tachyon`: Thanks.
[23:05] <opieng> When overclocking the recommendation is to use a "good" power supply, what is classed as a "good" power supply for overclocking?
[23:05] <ryao> I would like to know what actual power consumption is.
[23:05] <ryao> s/what/what the/
[23:05] <Tachyon`> well, I had to get a 2A supply but I have all sorts plugged in
[23:06] <ryao> I am using the Kindle's PSU. :/
[23:06] <Tachyon`> including wireless net/bluetooth/gamepad/keyboard+mouse dongles and a hard disk
[23:06] <ryao> Anyway, I am more concerned about power consumption, rather than overtaxing the PSU.
[23:06] <Patagonicus> ryao: Then I don't think it fits my use case. I have some valuable data that I keep mirrored and other data where I don't want to spend twice the needed space on because its easy to recreate in case of a broken disk. But I also don't want to set fixed sizes for each type of data. With LVM I can set the mirroring on a per logical volume basis and extend them as needed.
[23:07] <ryao> Patagonicus: Don't you need to have multiple physical volumes to do that with LVM?
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[23:07] <ryao> You can do the same thing with ZFS. i.e. have multiple pools
[23:08] <GabrialDestruir> I think I might be taking my lego case thing a bit far though, I'm actually trying to think of ways to implement the USB hub, and possibly an ethernet hub etc all onto a lego baseplate xD
[23:08] <Patagonicus> ryao: Hmm, could I also use the available space from every pool? I.e. today I need as much space as I have for the mirrored pool, next week that pool will be down to a few Gigs again, but I need the space for the unmirrored one?
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[23:09] <ryao> Patagonicus: Your question does not make sense to me.
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[23:10] <ryao> Patagonicus: It would be better to ask these questions in #zfs or #zfsonlinux. That would allow others to answer too.
[23:11] <Patagonicus> ryao: Hmm, you're right.
[23:11] <ryao> I am busy with Gentoo development, so it would help me if other people could answer these questions.
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[23:12] <Midasx> Is anyone else getting a 404 when they try to download packages?
[23:12] <home> ryao: oooh a Gentoo user
[23:12] <home> ryao: how use it in an RPI?
[23:13] <home> I am worried about cooling my little thind :D
[23:13] <ryao> home: I haven't set it up yet. I literally just booted it.
[23:13] <ryao> home: And I am a Gentoo developer.
[23:13] <home> ryao: coool
[23:13] <home> ryao: What do you think of the Funtoo project?
[23:14] <ryao> home: I am actually a Funtoo developer too. :/
[23:14] <Midasx> s/404/403/
[23:14] <ryao> Anyway, it is drobbins custom version of Gentoo. He puts stuff in it that he likes as soon as it compiles, while Gentoo is more conservative.
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[23:15] <home> I see, so the Conservatives use it..
[23:15] <home> I want to try Gentoo on my RPI
[23:15] <Patagonicus> home: I'm a Gentoo user too and I have a Pi already running on it. @system has taken about 12h to compile on my i7 laptop .
[23:15] <home> and have it run some Python code XD with OpenCV
[23:15] <home> Patagonicus: wow, 12 hours
[23:16] <ryao> Patagonicus: Were you cross compiling? Did you use MAKEOPTS?
[23:16] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: I now took a box and wrapped it in tinfoil :D
[23:16] <Patagonicus> I don't really want to know how long it would take on the Pi itself. But then it isn't really necessary as it's just for optimizations.
[23:16] <scummos> I'm curious if it works
[23:16] <ryao> home: It is possible to have compilation taken an exorbitant amount of time if you don't know tricks to make it quicker.
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[23:17] <home> 0_0 I want to run Gentoo now XD
[23:17] <Patagonicus> ryao: I was using a qemu chroot, cross compilation would have been faster, but after three or four packages didn't want to compile I had lost the intereset in fixing them. I guess I could have mixed both methods, but just leaving emerge running using qemu was easier.
[23:17] * home spends more time messing with linux, than actually developing code
[23:17] <Midasx> So am I the only one getting a 403 from the raspbian repo's?
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[23:18] <home> I wanted to show you guys something
[23:21] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: hmm. does not seem to work. :D
[23:21] <scummos> maybe the SPI cable carries the waves out
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[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm
[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> Possibly
[23:21] <scummos> I don't currently have proper equipment to check that
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine that if you're using unshielded wires, the cage will only do so much.
[23:22] <GabrialDestruir> if anything
[23:22] <linuxstb> Midasx: Have you done "apt-get update" ?
[23:23] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: yep... probably
[23:23] <scummos> the wire is IDE wire cut into pieces, so it's not entirely unshielded
[23:23] <Midasx> linuxstb: Yeah I have, http://pastebin.com/41u90CXN << Error if anyone is more curious... I really am not sure what the problem is. Apt-get update runs just fine it hits allt eh mirrors
[23:23] <home> Think this will fit on my RPI? http://imgur.com/Tw1YS
[23:24] <scummos> but I have the impression that it's slightly better now, at least the connection does not drop entirely
[23:25] <linuxstb> Midasx: Hmm, maybe it's a problem wih your local mirror. I can do "wget http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/v/vim/vim_7.3.547-6_armhf.deb" for example without problems.
[23:25] <scummos> maybe I should have some opamp decoupling at the wires?
[23:25] <scummos> to make them one-directional
[23:26] <home> so :D ?
[23:26] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm, are you sure there's no "leaks" in the shielding?
[23:27] <scummos> not at all
[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> Holes, or anything like that.
[23:27] <scummos> but the wavelength is... 12cm or so
[23:27] <scummos> so sub-1cm holes should be irrelevant imo
[23:28] <home> hmmm
[23:28] <home> hmmmm
[23:30] <GabrialDestruir> Right, anything smaller than 12cm should be fine.
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[23:31] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe another layer? It may help or if it doesn't, it would indicate the issue is the cables.
[23:31] <Midasx> linuxstb: Odd I can wget it...
[23:32] <Hydrar> ryao: Seeing as you're a gentoo dev, you think it's possible to cross compile binpkgs on my i7 laptop and copy to the pi? At this rate it seems the stuff I need for testing is gonna take at least a week more
[23:32] <Hydrar> Was thinking of using cross-emerge and load it with the same make.conf
[23:32] <GabrialDestruir> What you don't have your Pi's loadsharing so they each do part of the compiling in 1/4 the time? >>
[23:32] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[23:33] <Hydrar> If I had 4 of them, sure, but I only grabbed one so far
[23:33] <ryao> Hydrar: That is how our stage3s are made.
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> Actually I'm not sure if there's any setups that could do that anyways.
[23:33] <Hydrar> ryao: Oh, right
[23:33] <GabrialDestruir> It'd be pretty cool too.
[23:33] <ryao> Hydrar: Anyway, just take a stage3 to use as a starting point and use crossdev.
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[23:34] <Hydrar> ryao: I've used a stage3 to install it so the pi is already running on gentoo, about half of the qt- stuff is installed so far though
[23:34] <Hydrar> Really need to cross compile the heavy packages
[23:34] <ryao> Hydrar: You could try doing a stage4 backup and using that as the basis for building packages via crossdev.
[23:35] <Hydrar> ryao: Yeah, that sounds like a good idea to try
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> I think all my setup is missing at this point is something to LiveTV with, and a CEC compatible tv
[23:37] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[23:37] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: Hm. I'm really sort of confused about this right now.
[23:37] <scummos> but it must probably be the cables
[23:38] <scummos> they do have 220pF coupling capacitors to ground tough, which should just short-circuit 2.4GHz stuff
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> Well I imagine the holes in which the cables come out of are larger than 12cm, so that may be the weak point.
[23:38] <Amadiro> Anybody got any recommendations on what C library to use to use to get input on the rpi? Preferably it should support mouse, keyboard and common joysticks/joypads, and go well with EGL.
[23:38] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: naah! the hole is about 2cm x 0.2cm.
[23:38] <Amadiro> I'm currently looking at libgii, which looks somewhat promising.
[23:38] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: the whole *board* is about 6cm x 4cm
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> hm
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[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure then.
[23:42] <scummos> I'll put some optocouplers into the SPI lines tomorrow
[23:42] <scummos> maybe that helps
[23:44] <GabrialDestruir> I need to figure out how to rig XBMC's built in webserver to play nicely with lighttpd
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