#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-09

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[0:03] <Hydrar> Seems like my Pi corrupted the SD card, oh well :/
[0:03] <Hydrar> All I have overclocked is the ARM, I didn't think that'd cause corruption
[0:04] <Hydrar> I'm not even gonna try fixing this ext4, it's just too much corruption, gonna have a unbootable system even if I let e2fsck fix all these random corruption errors
[0:05] <home> so, heatsinks XD
[0:05] <home> hehe
[0:07] <Hydrar> The thing I find weird is that I wasn't getting errors from the stresstests even after 12+ hours of runtime
[0:08] <GabrialDestruir> I hate when PHP doesn't work the way it should... heh
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[0:08] <Hydrar> Amadiro: I've not tried on the pi, but I've used libOIS before with success
[0:09] <Hydrar> It does mouse and keyboard at least
[0:09] <Amadiro> Hydrar, thanks, I'll have a look at it
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[0:10] * akulbe forgot to get accessories for his rPi
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[0:10] <akulbe> It's sitting out in the open right now, on top of my paper shredder
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[0:11] <GabrialDestruir> if ($output == "enabled") { do stuff } else { do other stuff } yet despite $output being enabled it ignores it .-.
[0:11] <GabrialDestruir> and just goes to else
[0:11] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: PHP <---- found your problem right there
[0:11] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: but can you show me your code?
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> <td <?php if ($output == "enabled") { echo 'class="codec-enabled"'; } else { echo 'class="codec-disabled"'; } ?> >
[0:12] <GabrialDestruir> and I know $output is enabled because it echos for the field
[0:12] <akulbe> So what kinds of things are you guys using your Pi's for?
[0:12] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: Er... what is output?
[0:12] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: give me the whole page
[0:13] <GabrialDestruir> <td <?php if ($output == "enabled") { echo 'class="codec-enabled"'; } else { echo 'class="codec-disabled"'; } ?> >
[0:13] <GabrialDestruir> oosp
[0:13] <GabrialDestruir> oops*
[0:13] <GabrialDestruir> <?php $output = shell_exec('sudo vcgencmd codec_enabled H263'); $output = trim($output, "H263="); ?>
[0:13] <GabrialDestruir> there
[0:13] <Grievre> please don't paste it directly into the channel
[0:13] <Grievre> oh ok
[0:13] <Grievre> hmmm
[0:13] <Hydrar> Use pastebin anyway
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[0:14] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: can you pastebin the whole page for me?
[0:14] <GabrialDestruir> heh ok
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[0:16] <GabrialDestruir> http://pastebin.com/7MmWG3i4
[0:18] <GabrialDestruir> $output gets change through out, but the echo after the check shows the right value, so somehow the check is messed up?
[0:18] <GabrialDestruir> changed*
[0:18] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: er wait
[0:18] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: we're talking about line 185 right?
[0:19] <GabrialDestruir> yea, I've tried it with both == and ===
[0:19] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: does the echo afterward print "enabled" or "Enabled"?
[0:19] <GabrialDestruir> enabled
[0:20] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: try echo $output . "test"
[0:20] <Grievre> and see if there is a newline
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[0:20] <Grievre> you might have to remove the newline
[0:22] <GabrialDestruir> Nope gives me enabled test
[0:22] <piney0> with the space ?
[0:23] <GabrialDestruir> Yes, with the space, and I didn't put it there, so I'm guessing trailing whitespace
[0:23] <piney0> yep, trailing character anyway
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[0:24] <Grievre> GabrialDestruir: This is why I generally check to see if the string /contains/ "enabled" rather than if the string /is/ "enabled"
[0:24] <Grievre> exact string comparison is something I rarely do
[0:24] <GabrialDestruir> eh, I guess I'll do that, easier than solving this issue. xD
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[0:30] <GabrialDestruir> There, completely revamped that section of code. lol
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[0:47] <GabrialDestruir> Are all the Clock Frequencies measured in Mhz?
[0:47] <Grievre> er, what else would they be measured in?
[0:48] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure, that's why I was asking.
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[0:48] <opieng> GabrialDestruir, Mhz yes
[0:49] <Milos> should be measured in LOLs
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[0:52] <plugwash> terracycles per fortnight might be a good one for a joke somewhere
[0:52] <plugwash> especially as it's actually reasonablly close to megahertz
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[0:59] <Rexz> Hey
[0:59] <Rexz> I got a bit of a problem and wondered if anyone could help?
[1:00] <Rexz> when I try to update my raspberry pi or install something like mplayer I'm getting 403 forbidden
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[1:01] <Grievre> plugwash: An attoparsec is approximately 3 cm
[1:02] <Grievre> plugwash: And a microfortnight is 1.2 seconds
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[1:04] <Rexz> anyone got an idea what I could have done or could be wrong?
[1:04] <Grievre> I have no clue!
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[1:05] <Rexz> :(
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[1:05] <GabrialDestruir> 403 forbidden usually means the server doesn't have the file anymore?
[1:05] <GabrialDestruir> Doesn't it?
[1:05] <Rexz> so no mplayer anymore?
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> It could just be a serverside issue atm, like incorrect permissions
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> or something
[1:06] <Rexz> but even running something like sudo apt-get upgrade fails with lots of 403 forbidden
[1:06] <Rexz> a few might work, but the rest break
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[1:09] <Rexz> just tried browsing to one of the files
[1:09] <Rexz> http://mirror1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.raspbian.org/archive/raspbian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.6/g++-4.6_4.6.3-12+rpi1_armhf.deb
[1:09] <Rexz> does everyone else get permission error?
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[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> Yup
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> 403
[1:12] <Rexz> is there a way to change it?
[1:12] <Rexz> like use a different country or something?
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[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> Not if it's a serverside issue.
[1:15] <GabrialDestruir> Now I have to break up my current webpage into something that isn't all tables... lol
[1:16] <adb> try http://lug.mtu.edu/raspbian/raspbian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.6/
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[1:17] <adb> g++-4.6_4.6.3-12+rpi1_armhf.deb is there too
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[1:18] <Rexz> I have a lot more packages adb
[1:18] <Rexz> or things to install
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[1:18] <prehensile> anyone else getting http 403 all over the place when trying apt-gets?
[1:18] <Rexz> could I just change sources file to there?
[1:18] <Rexz> yeah man
[1:19] <Grievre> prg3: Rexz is
[1:19] <prehensile> seems I'm being redirected to a wonky server
[1:19] <Rexz> seems its a uk thing
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[1:19] <Rexz> or at least for people on virginmedia
[1:19] <prehensile> hmm
[1:19] <prehensile> at least it's not just me then ;)
[1:20] <adb> Rexz, from here too .ch
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[1:21] <Rexz> ah ok
[1:21] <Rexz> I just changed my sources file
[1:21] <Rexz> to your link
[1:21] <Rexz> seems a bit slower but at least it might work
[1:22] <adb> nice
[1:22] <prehensile> hm, just worked again here
[1:22] <Rexz> its working now?
[1:22] <prehensile> seems to be
[1:23] <Rexz> maybe you just got a new mirror
[1:23] <Rexz> but this was a mirror it kept sending me to
[1:23] <Rexz> http://mirror1.oucs.ox.ac.uk/sites/archive.raspbian.org/archive/raspbian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.6/g++-4.6_4.6.3-12+rpi1_armhf.deb
[1:23] <prehensile> yeah, me too
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[1:24] <prehensile> but, that link just failed in-browser
[1:24] <Rexz> yeah lol
[1:24] <prehensile> I must be getting redirected elsewhere, consistently
[1:24] * prehensile shrugs
[1:25] <prehensile> how's things your end, Rexz?
[1:26] <Rexz> well I just changed it back to mirrordirector
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[1:26] <Rexz> doing an update currently
[1:26] <Rexz> ill try installing something when its done
[1:27] <Rexz> btw, was there ever a fix for the pop sound of the analogue audio?
[1:27] <Rexz> when you start/stop a sound/music
[1:27] <Rexz> yes working now prehensile
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[1:28] <prehensile> goodo.
[1:28] <prehensile> guess either our faulty mirror came back to live or some magic mirror routing thing cut it out of rotation
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[1:29] <prehensile> *life
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[1:29] <Rexz> yeah seems so
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[1:31] <zzzoid> i'm trying to install quake3 on RPi. But when I do git clone https://github.com/.? it keeps asking me for a username/password
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[1:35] <Grievre> zzzoid: er, you're trying to clone /all/ of github?
[1:35] <Grievre> zzzoid: what guide are you following?
[1:35] <zzzoid> no..
[1:35] <zzzoid> i'm doing git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3
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[1:41] <Grievre> zzzoid: have you tried making a github account and using that username/password?
[1:41] <Grievre> zzzoid: Or maybe you could download a tarball
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[1:44] <ParkerR_> zzzoid, git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3.git
[1:44] <ParkerR_> Works for me
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[1:45] <ParkerR_> zzzoid, You have to use the URL on the top of the page
[1:45] <ParkerR_> Not the page URL
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[1:47] <zzzoid> ok works now thanks
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[1:55] <zzzoid> does Raspbian and quake3 use gpu hardware acceleration
[1:55] <zzzoid> ?
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[1:57] <UnaClocker> I wish YouTube would Just Work on the Pi.
[1:57] <UnaClocker> zzzoid: Q3 certainly does, the CPU is nowhere near powerful enough to do 3D graphics.
[1:58] <zzzoid> but the x server doesn't?
[1:59] <UnaClocker> Nope, the "open sourced" gpu driver announcement was a hoax, at best.
[2:00] <chithead> it wasn't a hoax, it just turned out that the driver does not do much at all. all the interesting stuff is going on in the firmware
[2:01] <UnaClocker> The term "driver" was a gross overstatement.
[2:01] <UnaClocker> api...
[2:02] <zzzoid> ok but does that mean that the window manager is now using gpu?
[2:02] <chithead> no, that the source code for the driver has been published does not change a thing by itself
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[2:03] <zzzoid> ah ok, so now someone has to rewrite parts of the window manager to use the gpu driver?
[2:03] <UnaClocker> window manager is what runs in the x server, it'd be the x server itself.
[2:03] <chithead> I don't think that the window manager needs rewriting
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[2:04] <chithead> currently for lack of a better driver, the x server still uses the unaccelerated fbdev
[2:05] <ryao> Hi chithead.
[2:05] <zzzoid> ok, now I understand why the user interface is so slow and unresponsive. I had assumed that since the RPi has been available for a while then the included software would take advantage of its hardware
[2:05] <ryao> chithead: Actually, the open sourced code for the driver does make it easier for students to write their own operating systems that have OpenGL.
[2:05] <UnaClocker> My latest Pi came with this really thin "Made in China" sticker placed over the "Made in the UK" silkscreen... Seems shady..
[2:05] <Armand> O_o
[2:05] <zzzoid> seems crazy that the RPi has such a powerful gpu but it's not being used!
[2:06] <ryao> chithead: The Raspberry Pi is meant for students to learn and the firmware design is perfect for that.
[2:06] <Rexz> anyone know if there was ever a fix to the pop sound from playing a wav/mp3?
[2:06] <ryao> Unless they want to learn how to program a GPU.
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[2:06] <chithead> ryao: the rpi is designed as an educational tool and is very fit for precisely that purpose indeed
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[2:07] <ryao> chithead: I didn't know that you hung out here. :)
[2:07] <chithead> zzzoid: the gpu is being used in many ways, just not in the X server
[2:07] <chithead> ryao: I originally wrote http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[2:07] <ryao> zzzoid: Listen to chithead. He is an expert on this.
[2:07] <UnaClocker> Rexz: Use the HDMI audio, no pop.
[2:07] <ryao> chithead: Cool.
[2:07] <zzzoid> chithead, such as?
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[2:07] <ryao> chithead: I am porting prefix to the Raspberry Pi at the moment.
[2:07] <chithead> zzzoid: omxplayer for video decode, gles 2.0 3d acceleration, and directfb 2d acceleration
[2:08] <Rexz> I need to use the analogue audio for a project im doing
[2:08] <ryao> chithead: I will post the profile if I find that it works: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=446554
[2:08] <Rexz> but the pop makes it sound terrible
[2:08] <zzzoid> chithead, so ogl apps running inside of x server will be accelerated?
[2:08] <UnaClocker> Use a USB audio adapter, in that case.
[2:08] <Rexz> meh
[2:09] <chithead> zzzoid: using 3d acceleration in the X server is possible, but the applications will overwrite the framebuffer directly and not integrate with your desktop/window manager
[2:09] <chithead> also opengl es 2.0 is supported, not the full opengl
[2:09] <ryao> chithead: Is that Direct Rendering? What about Indirect Rendering?
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[2:10] <chithead> using the gles libraries will directly write to the screen. no direct rendering is involved
[2:10] <ryao> chithead: I guess this goes back to the graphics driver/firmware. :/
[2:10] <ryao> Am I right?
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[2:11] <chithead> yes, these are limitations due to the fbdev driver
[2:11] <zzzoid> chithead, are there any examples of apps running with ogl in x server?
[2:11] <ryao> chithead: That makes sense.
[2:11] <chithead> zzzoid: opengl (non-es) is not supported
[2:11] <zzzoid> chithead, i mean ogl es
[2:12] <chithead> zzzoid: these applications simply ignore the running X server
[2:12] <zzzoid> ah, so draw full screen? or just draw over the top of the x server
[2:12] <chithead> and create their rendering context directly on screen
[2:12] <chithead> they draw over the entire screen or part of it
[2:13] <ryao> zzzoid: You could try this: http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/STANM/OpenGL-0.4/TUTORIAL
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[2:14] <zzzoid> ryao, that tutorial is not for ogl es and also it's for perl which is not very useful
[2:14] <ryao> zzzoid: It is for OpenGL...
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[2:14] <ryao> Anyway, find a small demo program somewhere.
[2:14] <zzzoid> ryao, but for a really old type of opengl using immediate mode
[2:14] <ryao> By the way, how did so many people get voiced?
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[2:15] <ryao> zzzoid: You are hard to please. :/
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[2:15] <zzzoid> ryao, my question isnt really about opengl it's more about RPi gpu access. sry to sound harsh
[2:15] <zzzoid> ryao, thanks anyway :)
[2:15] <ryao> zzzoid: #raspberrypi-internals
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[2:17] <Jeanseb23> Hello fellow RaspberryPi users!
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[2:20] <Jeanseb23> So to anyone who wants to help me, here's my problem: I want to use my Wi-Pi dongle (Ralink RT2870) with my RaspberryPi on the RaspBMC OS. I can not plug the RaspberryPi with the ethernet cable as the screen and wall are too far away, so I'll try to install it with usb/sd cards. I have installed the firmware, now I only need to install Wireless-Tools. So can anyone guide me further?
[2:21] <Jeanseb23> I have ventured in the repos and found multiple files linked to wireless-tools, but alas I do not know which one is the right one.
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[2:23] <Jeanseb23> I have narrowed the search to 11 different versions. I simply looked at all the files that start with "wireless-tools" and found the latest versions "pre9-8"
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[2:23] <Jeanseb23> Here are the versions: amd64, armel, armhf, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, s390x and sparc
[2:23] <scummos> hm, isn't that in the package manager?
[2:24] <scummos> try apt-cache search wireless-tools or os
[2:24] <scummos> *so
[2:24] <Jeanseb23> Well, I have no connection to the internet on my RaspberryPi
[2:24] <Jeanseb23> So I am trying to find which one it is to transfer it manually and then do dpkg
[2:24] <scummos> ah, I see.
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[2:24] <scummos> you're on arm
[2:25] <scummos> so download the arm one ;)
[2:25] <scummos> (the pi is armv6)
[2:25] <Jeanseb23> I think i'll try the armhf one (Arm Hard float) since they mentionned it in the wiki
[2:25] <Jeanseb23> Thanks
[2:25] <scummos> yes, that should be the right one. the pi has an arm achitecture
[2:26] <Jeanseb23> I'll try it and tell you what it gives, thanks for the help!
[2:26] <scummos> an easier way would be ssh
[2:26] <scummos> just connect the pi to the LAN with no screen
[2:26] <scummos> then ssh into it and install the package the usual way from CLI
[2:26] <scummos> (with apt-get)
[2:26] <scummos> I actually never even attached a screen to my pi
[2:27] <scummos> I'm only using it over ssh ;p
[2:27] <Jeanseb23> I've read about that but we had to add alot of protection to our network since we had a problem with Wi-Fi stealers (they hacked our passwords to log in everytime), so we whitelisted xD
[2:27] <Jeanseb23> Cool, what are you using it for^
[2:27] <Jeanseb23> ?*
[2:28] <scummos> so far I have been using the SPI / I2C / gpio capabilities mainly
[2:28] <scummos> for controlling various things
[2:28] <Amadiro> finally gotten an GL ES context with EGL to work on the rpi -- that was a bit of a tour-de-fource obtaining the native window handle from the videocore
[2:29] <scummos> if you get somethin glike that working, blog about it somewhere so I can steal your code once I want to do it! :D
[2:29] <scummos> btw did anyone try qtquick2 on the pi?
[2:29] <scummos> that would be a very nice way to draw with opengles
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[2:36] <Amadiro> ...aand we got triangles. Smooth sailling from here on out.
[2:37] <Amadiro> (I'd make a screenshot, but you can't really capture the videocore output through X11)
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[2:38] <Jeanseb23> Congratulations! I support whatever exploit you just managed, even though I don't quite understand it. But anyways well done!
[2:38] <Jeanseb23> achieved* instead of managed xD
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[2:41] <scummos^> exploit? sounds like perfectly legit OpenGL ES :)
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[2:42] <Jeanseb23> English is not my native language, so I mistranslated the word. Exploit in french is like an achievement
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[2:44] <scummos^> ah, alright
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[2:44] <ryao> I just ran out of inodes on the Raspbian image. :/
[2:45] <UnaClocker> exploit can be used that way in english too.. "Tell us about your exploits", it means achievements in that context.
[2:45] <Jeanseb23> Oh cool
[2:46] <Jeanseb23> I almost installed wireless-tools, but I forgot to check the dependencies first, now adding the dependencies with it.
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[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> My default php page for raspberry Pi's is starting to look less like a complete table, and more...
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> webpageish
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[2:48] <lunra> whenever I try to get EGL, I get a horrible flicker. I should really try using the yellow connector thing.
[2:49] <mdim> does it matter if I have microSD card, but I use SD adapter?
[2:50] <lunra> Nope.
[2:50] <mdim> ok
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Not at all, in fact Adrafruit has a low profile adapter just for the Pi
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[2:55] <Jeanseb23> I need help with one more thing, RaspBMC is based on Raspbian. When I'm in the console (Not the XBMC program), the screen gets cut-off everywhere (sides, top and bottom). How can I fix this?
[2:55] <Jeanseb23> It's hard to type in commands in the console if I can't see what I'm typing xD
[2:56] <GabrialDestruir> Jeanseb23: use config.txt fix with overscan commands
[2:56] <Jeanseb23> How exactly? and where is the config.txt?
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[2:58] <lunra> config.txt is in the fat16 partition of your card
[2:58] <lunra> normally mounted to /boot on the arch image, not sure about raspbian
[2:59] <Jeanseb23> How can I know what values to type in to get the right settings?
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[3:03] <UnaClocker> Jeanseb23: Start with trying to disable overscan, that usually solves the problem for me.
[3:04] <Jeanseb23> Already tried that
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[3:05] <UnaClocker> Then you're stuck changing the overscan numbers one reboot at a time till you get them right. It's a pita.
[3:05] <Jeanseb23> Alright, thanks :)
[3:07] <UnaClocker> sure is annoying that bash requires a space between cd and .. DOS never complained about cd..
[3:08] <tzarc> alias cd..='cd ..'
[3:08] <UnaClocker> heh.. :)
[3:09] <scummos^> you get used to it pretty quickly
[3:09] <cyclick> or you might as well get used to it so you don't have to create that alias
[3:10] <scummos^> fish allows going to previously visited directories by pressing alt+left arrow
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[3:10] <scummos^> which is somewhat cool
[3:10] <UnaClocker> heh, 14 years now, it still aggravates me..
[3:10] <scummos^> lol
[3:11] <scummos^> then create the alias ;p
[3:11] <Jeanseb23> Damn I think I messed it up more, the splash screen goes weird and then nothing, just black screen
[3:11] <ryao> chithead: Why does the wiki say to use `crossdev -S -v -t armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi` instead of `crossdev -S -v -t armv6l-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi`?
[3:13] <lunra> fish is an awesome shell
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[3:15] <TAFB> finally finally got a working Pi (my third one) :(
[3:17] <TAFB> anyway, I'm trying to get tightvnc set up on it, but it bitches about missing fonts (fatal error). I've installed the 75dpi 100dpi xfonts and the gsfonts-x11 but it still says I'm missing font "speedo", can't figure out the package name for it :(
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[3:20] <TAFB> My Pi: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
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[3:21] <UnaClocker> Nice camera TAFB,,
[3:22] <UnaClocker> I use that same SDCard, it's good. Got it for $20 at Fry's..
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[3:22] <TAFB> Thanks, takes some pretty good photos, no thanks to me: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi_problem_made_in_china.jpg
[3:22] <TAFB> card cost me $30 at canada computer here. Bastards! It's fast as snot though!
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[3:22] <TAFB> Camera is a Canon T2i with stock 18-55mm lens (hacked firmware, Magic Lantern).
[3:23] <UnaClocker> hehe, peel off that china sticker.. :)
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[3:23] <TAFB> The reason I took a photo of it, is cause ebay listing said made in UK version. That Pi is one of the defective ones I received: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMPBcVCw10
[3:23] <TAFB> skip to 3:40 for the problem ;)
[3:24] <UnaClocker> I have an actual made in UK unit, with the baby blue audio jack..
[3:24] <TAFB> shot that video on the same camera I took the photos with ;)
[3:24] <TAFB> you bastard Una!
[3:24] <TAFB> oh well, my third Made in China one works perfect, so I'm happy for now :)
[3:24] <UnaClocker> :) We're chatting on my UK one right now.. heh..
[3:25] <TAFB> I need to get VNC set up on mine, where the Pi is located is too much of a pain to work on. No luck so far :(
[3:26] <UnaClocker> I used to do remote X sessions with my SheevaPlug..
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[3:26] <TAFB> I've never used Linux before, ever :( so just getting tightvnc installed is a struggle so far. Missing fonts all over. I got most of them installed except font Speedo and tightvnc is complaining it's looking for the fonts in the wrong path.
[3:26] <axion> speedo font support was removed from xorg some years ago, because freetype handles them. what is the exact error, and how was it compiled?
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[3:28] <TAFB> I used sudo apt-get install vncserver and it downloaded and installed tightvnc. I'm using the recommended wheezy image from the Pi guys.
[3:28] <TAFB> I'll check the exact error, one sec.
[3:29] <VanDyke> uh oh
[3:29] <VanDyke> mine's made in china as well
[3:29] <VanDyke> maybe I should test it well
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[3:30] <TAFB> for sure, if you haven't used it, check it soon! My first one would power off just sitting at the login prompt around 4 mins every time. My second one would last about 30 mins or if i fired out X it would "go to sleep" right away. My third one, been on for four hours now, no issues.
[3:31] <TAFB> element14 said about 30,000 pi's were sent out with "improper CPU solder flow" causing the crash when it gets warm.
[3:32] <VanDyke> mine came from RS
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[3:32] <UnaClocker> Peel off the china sticker... The black audio jack gives it away,but at least it'll say made in UK.. heh
[3:32] <VanDyke> the one I have from element14 is v1 and has been working awesome
[3:32] <TAFB> yeah, they've had NO issues with V1's I hear, it's the 512mb B versions with all the issues.
[3:32] <cyclick> so far mine from element14 v2 is working fine
[3:33] <UnaClocker> I have a UK and a China 512 v2 from Newark..
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[3:33] <UnaClocker> Haven't really tried the chinese one yet, though..
[3:33] <cyclick> TAFB, got link reference?
[3:34] <TAFB> for the bad boards. it's in that huge thread on the pi forums "pi goes dead after a few mins".
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[3:35] <UnaClocker> Guess I'll switch Pi and see how it works... bbiab.
[3:35] <cyclick> TAFB, No results found for "pi goes dead after a few mins". in google
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[3:35] <axion> TAFB: btw vncserver is not tightvncserver.
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[3:36] <TAFB> axion: here's the error: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/tightvnc_error.jpg
[3:36] <TAFB> when I used apt-get vncserver it said "installing tightvncserver"
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[3:36] <VanDyke> downloading the latest raspbian now
[3:36] <TAFB> wheezy? :)
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[3:37] <axion> you want the misc fonts for xorg
[3:37] <axion> thats where fixed is
[3:37] <axion> on arch linux its xorg-fonts-misc
[3:37] <axion> not sure about your distro
[3:37] <TAFB> dang :(
[3:39] <TAFB> trying to find out the package name for the misc fonts now...
[3:39] <axion> xorg-x11-fonts it seems
[3:39] <TAFB> sweet, i'll give that a sudo apt-get install and see how she goes. brb.
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[3:40] <UnaClocker> Ok, up on the chinese pi now..
[3:40] <TAFB> "unable to find package xorg-x11-fonts"
[3:41] <TAFB> UnaClocker :) good news. Do you have a way to test the GPU with some graphics? Would make my pad ones shut down every time :)
[3:41] <axion> xfonts-base
[3:41] <TAFB> ok, trying...
[3:42] <UnaClocker> Hmmm.. Graphics.. I could track down quake3...
[3:42] <TAFB> says "xfonts base already newest version", "xfonts base already installed"
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[3:45] <TAFB> this guy got it working on Arch, but none of his instructions work on my Wheezy :( http://raspberrypi.org/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?f=28&t=11122
[3:45] <axion> TAFB: if fixed and cursor dont exist, an x server wont start at all. if they are in non-standard locations, you need to edit your xorg.conf with the proper fontpath for misc fonts
[3:46] <axion> or rebuild the font cache
[3:46] <TAFB> I think they are in locations that tightvnc doesn't know where they are.
[3:46] <axion> tightvnc looks to what xorg knows about
[3:47] <TAFB> in arch peeps type in "ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts to /usr/share/fonts"
[3:47] <TAFB> and it fixes tightvnc so it sees the fonts.
[3:47] <axion> that is a bad workaround to being lazy and not adding 1 line to xorg.conf
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[3:47] <TAFB> lol
[3:48] <TAFB> "Apparently the package (tightvncserver) has a hard coded link (a fault) to a fonts directory that doesn't exist in many linux distributions." :(
[3:49] <axion> vim $(which vncserver)
[3:50] <axion> change fontPath
[3:50] <TAFB> -bash: vim: command not found
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[3:51] <axion> use your preferred editor in place
[3:52] <TAFB> does linux have "edit" or "notepad"?
[3:52] <UnaClocker> nano is pretty user friendly.
[3:52] <axion> if you look at how the arch linux tightvnc is installed ( https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/community/tightvnc/PKGBUILD ) you will see that it is modified to use the distributions font path...something your distro seemed to have forgotten
[3:52] <TAFB> I'll see if nano is in her :)
[3:52] <UnaClocker> (nano being a command line text edittor)
[3:53] <TAFB> woot, nano works :)
[3:53] <TAFB> what am I nano'ing?
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[3:54] <axion> the path is hard-coded in there
[3:54] <GabrialDestruir> I really hate when CSS doesn't work nicely. xD
[3:55] <TAFB> it gives me the error though "Please set the correct fontPath in the tichtvncserver script" makes it sound like it wants me to fix it :)
[3:56] <axion> in linux, get used to it telling you whats wrong. if it says to edit a file, edit the !@#$ file
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[3:56] <TAFB> "please set the correct fontPath in the tightvncserver script" doesn't mean ish to me about what file to edit :(
[3:57] <UnaClocker> I love how gmail brings the Pi to it's knees, yet some fools think it's a good idea to run Android on this thing.
[3:57] <axion> seems pretty explicit to me
[3:58] <TAFB> i'm a linux noob. If it said "can't find file c:\tightvnc.ini" then I could fix it :)
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[3:58] <axion> the file is located at: which vncserver
[3:58] <axion> that is a command :)
[3:58] <TAFB> which vncserver is a command? NUTTY! lol.
[3:59] <TAFB> says /usr/bin/vncserver
[3:59] <axion> and "nano $(which vncserver)" will edit the expanded command (a path)
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[4:00] <TAFB> I opened it, lol SanityCheck :)
[4:00] <TAFB> reading...
[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> http://home.destruir.net:81
[4:00] <GabrialDestruir> How's it look so far? >.>
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[4:02] <yehnan> Hi, good morning. Originally I use the AC-to-USB adapter(come with iPhone) to power my raspberry pi. Yesterday I bought a power strip with USB. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35616101/power%20strip%20with%20usb.jpg
[4:02] <TAFB> says $fontPath = /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc
[4:02] <yehnan> It says "Two USB, max 2000mA"
[4:02] <TAFB> and /X11/Type1
[4:02] <TAFB> and /X11/75dip
[4:03] <TAFB> and /X11/100dpi
[4:03] <yehnan> However, I can't sucessfully boot my raspberry pi with it.
[4:03] <axion> TAFB: find out where your distribution packaged the fonts on your system, and change them all
[4:03] <yehnan> Do you guys have any luck with power strip with USB? Or do you all use a single ac-to-usb adapter?
[4:03] <TAFB> yehnan, need to check amp output of USB, most devices only outpout 500ma or 0.5a. Pi needs .7a or 700ma (or MORE!).
[4:04] <atouk> i use PC usb
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> You can run a Pi on 500ma
[4:04] <TAFB> ok axion, I will try and find where fonts are :)
[4:04] <GabrialDestruir> at the very least it should boot with 500ma
[4:04] <TAFB> My Pi wouldn't even run on 1000ma (crappy cord). Works fine on 2000ma (with same crappy cord).
[4:04] <axion> mine would not boot half the time on 1A either
[4:04] <yehnan> TAFB: it says, DC 5V, Pin 1: +5V, Pin 4: GND, Output Current: 2000mA max.
[4:05] <GabrialDestruir> I've run my Pi's off of regular USB ports.
[4:05] <yehnan> axion: what product do you use? brand and model please.
[4:05] <TAFB> 2amps, should be good. If you've got a super skinny micro USB cable it can cause lots of power issues.
[4:05] <TAFB> what's the Pi do, reboot loop?
[4:05] <yehnan> TAFB: the power strip has two USB port. One will cause rpi to reboot again and again.
[4:06] <UnaClocker> I've always had good sucess ith iPhone chargers.
[4:06] <axion> i power my pi with a usb hub: houtech 13-port hub (4amp max). its on newegg.com
[4:06] <axion> koutech rather
[4:06] <TAFB> 4amps? yikes. what you cookin?
[4:07] <axion> 2.5" hdd, 3.5" hdd, thumb drive, 2 gamepads, wifi, keyboard receiver...maybe more
[4:07] <yehnan> TAFB: the other usb port will...cause "I/O error, mmcblk0, sector xxxxxx" the stopped at "PANIC: attempted to kill init".
[4:07] <UnaClocker> I'm using a 4amp supply on this Pi right now..
[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> My Power Supply is only 2amp I think, 7 port hub
[4:07] <UnaClocker> Fed into the GPIO pins.. hehe
[4:07] <yehnan> GabrialDestruir: you mean from a regular usb ports on a pc or laptop?
[4:07] <TAFB> yehnan: yikes, reboot loop is usually always low power. Never seen your I/O error except when I had a no-name brand class 10 memory card that wasn't compatible.
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[4:08] <GabrialDestruir> I've done PC, I've also done DirecTV receiver
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[4:08] <TAFB> Mine works powered off my playstation3 :)
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> In fact up until I got my hub last week I think it was, I was using exclusively the receiver to power it.
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[4:09] <TAFB> brb. gotta find fonts.
[4:09] <axion> i also power mine off a 15000mAh portable battery perfectly
[4:09] <GabrialDestruir> Now if only I could figure out why my third column on my page doesn't want to be up top with the rest of them I'd be set .-.
[4:10] <axion> because you are using 1990's tables
[4:10] <TAFB> axion: directory /usr/share/fonts doesn't exist, lol. /usr/share does... looking for the fonts.
[4:10] <GabrialDestruir> possibly xD
[4:10] <yehnan> TAFB: I think my sd card and usb cord are fine(I suppose). The only thing I changed is from apple iphone charger to the new power strip with usb.
[4:10] <axion> make use of CSS. look into 'float' and 'position'
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> There we go finally
[4:11] <TAFB> yehnan: Must be made in china "puts out 2000ma" when lightning strikes ;)
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> I am using float :p
[4:11] <GabrialDestruir> the tables are just for the data.
[4:11] <yehnan> TAFB: well, yes, it is made in china.
[4:12] <TAFB> so are a lot of Pi's, I just mean sometimes they make a mistake with the specifications, or purposely mislead people.
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[4:12] <TAFB> brb. still looking for fonts.
[4:12] <Tachyon`> doesn't matter how big your PSU is if your polyfuse on the power input is still intact
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[4:13] <UnaClocker> rev 2 boards don't have that polyfuse
[4:15] <axion> i thought just the 140mA usb fuse?
[4:15] <yehnan> well, i'm sad. I bought this power strip with usb for another rpi board.
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[4:15] <GabrialDestruir> There... now I just need something for the middle content....
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[4:18] <axion> GabrialDestruir: your page looks weird on a netbook 1024x600 (you have to scroll horizontally to see the right side). maybe consider using an a percentage or a more sane absolute width for your main container
[4:19] <GabrialDestruir> try refreshing? I think it's all percentage now.
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[4:19] <axion> yes
[4:20] <axion> its because you are using 100% table width, then adding padding/borders to that i think
[4:20] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm
[4:20] <SpeedEvil> works OK on nexus 7, both ways
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[4:21] <TAFB> when I try and type a quote " in nano it types an @ :(
[4:22] <atouk> redefine keyboard in raspi-config
[4:22] <TAFB> okies, I'll give er a go
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[4:28] <axion> GabrialDestruir: http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/f0/f02b7090e89a776c864c82cf5f5c31d8.png
[4:28] <axion> sort of like that...see how you have to scroll?
[4:29] <GabrialDestruir> Yea...
[4:30] <GabrialDestruir> That should be better, but now it looks bad on bigger screens, I'm not quite sure how to make that work on both screens.
[4:31] <axion> make a div, put 3 divs inside it. give each div a size that their total sum + padding and borders is less than its parent size
[4:32] <axion> parent would most likely be a percentage, or absolute size based on viewing hardware yu want to support
[4:32] <GabrialDestruir> Now try.
[4:33] <GabrialDestruir> I had container set to 100% width, and everything making up inside that
[4:33] <axion> negative
[4:33] <axion> let me see
[4:35] <GabrialDestruir> I'll have to write up a couple css files I think, one for bigger screens, one for smaller.
[4:35] <TAFB> can't get the damn " key working :( tried two different keyboards, tons of maps in raspi-config :(
[4:36] <axion> no need
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[4:36] <GabrialDestruir> try a US map
[4:36] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[4:37] <TAFB> every map in there is UK map
[4:38] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm
[4:39] <GabrialDestruir> Part of the issue I think with the scaling is the fact that the middle table won't go smaller than the text in disk usage or memory usage
[4:39] <UnaClocker> "Generic 104-key PC" is the keyboard you want.
[4:40] <GabrialDestruir> So what happens, is it all gets shifted around and forces you to scroll.
[4:40] <TAFB> Una: Got it, under keymap, only showed UK, had to hit Other, pick USA, Pick english, pick USA Standard and it worked :) ok, back to font config...
[4:40] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, not sure why all the OS use UK keyboard layouts as "standard"
[4:42] <GabrialDestruir> What's the best way I can pull free -hot and break it up into smaller pieces of data that I can throw in my own table instead of using the one it gives?
[4:43] <akiwiguy> read /proc/meminfo and interpret it
[4:43] <akiwiguy> in a script
[4:44] <akiwiguy> combination of grep, sed and bc should get you what you want
[4:44] <dipstick> holy crap, the r-pi is going for 65 bucks on amazon o.o
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[4:45] <UnaClocker> Newark charged me $60 for one..
[4:45] <TAFB> Newark in Canada has lots of stock currently. $35 512mb B
[4:45] <ParkerR_> UnaClocker, Umm
[4:45] <ParkerR_> Mine was like 45 after shipping
[4:45] <GabrialDestruir> Heh...
[4:46] <UnaClocker> Got the one I'm on right now for $40 from Sparkfun, it came in a Newark box...
[4:46] <GabrialDestruir> farnell tried to charge my 6- for one
[4:46] <GabrialDestruir> 60*
[4:46] <ParkerR_> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302
[4:46] <UnaClocker> I got a free one from RS, they never answered my paypal dispute.
[4:46] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone know if adafruit has 512?
[4:46] <UnaClocker> GabrialDestruir: Not for sale without buying an overpriced kit.
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[4:48] <GabrialDestruir> I was actually thinking about getting that kit... heh
[4:48] <UnaClocker> heh, go for it. :)
[4:49] <UnaClocker> Nobody has a 256 for sale anymore, they sell way too fast for that.
[4:50] <ParkerR_> Heh the 512 is worth it
[4:50] <GabrialDestruir> Well if it's overpriced, what would be a good price for a kit like that? lol
[4:50] <UnaClocker> I just don't like the idea of kits.. Probably a fine price for the whole kit..
[4:51] <TAFB> i give up, I'm going to try x11vnc. Found a walk through on the Pi forums. brb.
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[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> Well I don't have a bunch of stuff lying around to get into the electronics/gpio side of things, figured the kit would be a good place to start.
[4:52] <ryao> I have a PS2 keyboard and mouse that I would like to use with a Raspberry Pi. Is getting this adapter a good idea? I see some negative reviews for such adapters, so I am not sure. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812705116
[4:53] <TAFB> going to try this walkthrough for x11vnc: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=108862#p108862
[4:53] <TAFB> wish me luck :)
[4:53] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[4:53] <GabrialDestruir> x11vnc was really easy to setup if I remember...
[4:54] <SpeedEvil> I ise'ome ryao works well
[4:54] <UnaClocker> ryao: Looks good, plenty cheap.
[4:54] <SpeedEvil> (dunno that model)
[4:55] * dipstick wants a good small monitor for his pi
[4:55] <ryao> SpeedEvil: What model do you use?
[4:55] <GabrialDestruir> or maybe it was something else, I remember setting up vnc, and launching x when I vnc'd in
[4:55] <SpeedEvil> ryao: I bought it 5 years ago
[4:55] <UnaClocker> dipstick: Adafruit has a high res 7" unit, it just costs as much as a netbook.
[4:56] <dipstick> heh, 120 bucks?
[4:56] <UnaClocker> $150..
[4:56] <dipstick> O,o
[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> Just buy a laptopdock for like.... 40-60 bucks
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[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> and another 10 bucks for cords
[4:56] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I have a lapdock on it's way to me.
[4:56] <dipstick> I found a 7 inch at amazon for 35
[4:57] <ryao> SpeedEvil: Who made it?
[4:57] <atouk> adafruit forgot their roots
[4:57] <dipstick> ^ yup
[4:57] <UnaClocker> dipstick: Composite? or hdmi?
[4:57] <dipstick> composite
[4:57] <UnaClocker> That'll be unusable for most needs.
[4:58] <UnaClocker> Can't even use the shell with composite.
[4:58] <dipstick> :(
[4:58] <SpeedEvil> ryao: I have no idea.
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[4:59] <bin_bash> hello. I was wondering if anyone knew if this card would work in my raspi model b: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A66XLT0/
[5:00] <UnaClocker> dipstick: http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-INNOLUX-AT070TN82-V-1-2-30-Pin-LCD-Screen-Panel-DVI-Controller-TCON-Board-/280930547956?pt=US_Laptop_Screens_LCD_Panels&hash=item4168c3f8f4
[5:00] <GabrialDestruir> The prices on adafruit don't seem that bad =\
[5:00] <UnaClocker> $150 screen for a $35 computer is a bit looney, to me.
[5:01] <dipstick> UnaClocker, what, no case?
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[5:01] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, have you seen HDMI screens that aren't that expensive anywhere? lol
[5:01] <ackthet> UnaClocker: gotta pay to play
[5:01] <UnaClocker> hehe, The Pi doesn't come with a case either, good match.
[5:02] <dipstick> I don't have 150 bucks to spend on a monitor. if I'm gonna spend that, I'd get a 20 inch.
[5:02] <dipstick> lol
[5:02] <UnaClocker> ackthet: Not if I can help it.. heheh
[5:02] <atouk> my pi case was printed and folded from card stock
[5:02] <bin_bash> has anyone tried n sdxc card?
[5:02] <GabrialDestruir> Like I said, laptop dock is the way to go.
[5:02] <UnaClocker> Exactly, for I've seen 23" go for $150...
[5:03] <UnaClocker> My Pi is laying on the desk bare, below my monitor.. :)
[5:03] <bin_bash> I haven't even started using my pi
[5:03] <GabrialDestruir> according to verified peripherals there's a 64GB card or two that work
[5:03] <UnaClocker> Got my custom shield plugged on top of it..
[5:04] <UnaClocker> I'm using the Pi right this second.. Runs XChat nicely.
[5:04] <dipstick> I tested mine but i want a good monitor and enclosure for it before I get careless with it. :P
[5:04] <bin_bash> UnaClocker, whcih distro are you using
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone know what a good price for a new laptop dock is these days?
[5:05] <UnaClocker> The standard Raspbian based debian distro..
[5:05] <UnaClocker> GabrialDestruir: I just ordered one for $40, brand new..
[5:05] <GabrialDestruir> Got a link?
[5:05] <dipstick> heh, I managed to freeze mine with apt-get :D
[5:05] <bin_bash> Has anyone tried installing windows RT on a pi
[5:06] <atouk> dipstick, overclocking?
[5:06] <dipstick> at first no
[5:06] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... I don't imagine Windows RT working well on the pi
[5:07] <UnaClocker> Price is up, and it's sold out... http://www.bensoutlet.com/products/lapdock-hebrew
[5:07] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[5:07] <dipstick> lols
[5:07] <dipstick> ooh, a mini wireless kb with touch pad. :)
[5:07] <bin_bash> GabrialDestruir, why not
[5:07] <dipstick> 22 bucks at amazon
[5:08] <GabrialDestruir> Memory, processor speed, etc.
[5:08] <UnaClocker> I'm using a mini wired kb with touchpad.. It's an adventure to type on at any decent speed.
[5:08] <bin_bash> windows RT phones have about the same mount of RAM
[5:09] <dipstick> yeah, I'm looking for portability.
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[5:09] <pksato> RPi $35, Windows RT $350000000000000000000000 ops... key lock.
[5:09] <UnaClocker> Yeah, that's why I got this one.. My kids love the tiny keys though..
[5:09] <dipstick> eventually, I'll make a cable that combines 5v and 12v power for the pi and it's monitor to be powered from the wall or car.
[5:09] <bin_bash> is it true that you need a USB hub to run a model m with a rasp pi?
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[5:10] <UnaClocker> model m isn't usb.
[5:10] <GabrialDestruir> model m?
[5:10] <dipstick> O.o wat
[5:11] <pksato> time traveler?
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[5:11] <UnaClocker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M
[5:12] <dipstick> oh lulz
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> Ohs xD
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> I was like "Model M Raspberry Pi?!? Wha?!?!?"
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[5:12] <dipstick> init that ps/2?
[5:12] <UnaClocker> hehe, there's probably enough spare room inside one of those old monster keyboards to put a Pi.
[5:12] <GabrialDestruir> Though a Model E would be nice as in Model Ethernet... with PoE
[5:13] <bin_bash> UnaClocker, it is when you use a ps/2 to usb adapter, whcih i have
[5:13] <pksato> oh... ibm keyboard.
[5:13] <UnaClocker> Yeah, but ps/2-usb adapters are cheap.
[5:13] <TAFB> ok, so x11vnc only works if x opens?
[5:13] <GabrialDestruir> I think someone already has put a pi in one of those.
[5:14] <dipstick> hmm, why not remove the ps2 plug and integrate the converter :D
[5:14] <pksato> TAFB: Yes, x11vnc is a X11 client.
[5:14] <GabrialDestruir> I know Ben Heck recreated one of those old style keyboards from like the Micro I think and it had a built in Pi
[5:14] <TAFB> ahhh. So I suppose I can set my Pi to auto login and boot up to X right? :)
[5:14] <dipstick> ooh, pi with PoE. now we're talkin.
[5:15] <GabrialDestruir> There's also like http://lifehacker.com/5937211/turn-a-keyboard-into-a-computer-with-raspberry-pi
[5:15] <TAFB> i PoE'd one of my Pi's already, tapping off the unused ethernet pins on the bottom of the board. works sweet, fully regulated 5v from 48v dc :)
[5:16] <dipstick> heh
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> Nice.
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> Though if I had a PoE Pi, I'd want it to have like Gigabit ethernet too.
[5:16] <GabrialDestruir> and not be hanging off the USB
[5:17] <TAFB> Pi only has 100mbit ethernet, ethernet adapter is acutally usb 2.0 ethernet adapter :(
[5:17] <dipstick> ditto
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[5:18] <GabrialDestruir> That's what I mean.
[5:18] <ParkerR_> I like how people say "only" 100mbit
[5:18] <ParkerR_> Like seriously. I wish I had that kind of connection.
[5:19] <GabrialDestruir> 100mbit hanging of a usb hub, is trash.
[5:19] <TAFB> all my ish here is on gigabit and has SSD's, I need my gigabit :)
[5:19] * SpeedEvil is on a 2.5mbit net.
[5:19] <dipstick> I'd like 100mbit to my isp... >.>
[5:19] <GabrialDestruir> You can't use the Pi as a decent File server because it's on the USB
[5:19] <ParkerR_> I'm on like 17 or 18mbit
[5:19] <GabrialDestruir> creates a huge bottleneck
[5:20] <TAFB> dipstick: check out these prices, unlimted bandwidth, no throttling (torrents, etc.): http://www.greenlightnc.com/about/internet/
[5:20] <TAFB> if the USA would ever let me in, that's where I'd move!
[5:21] <ryao> I wish that the Raspberry Pi had 4 USB ports. :/
[5:21] <ryao> Anyway, I am thinking of getting one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315091
[5:21] <ryao> It should be more energy efficient than setting up a wireless bridge via an old router.
[5:22] <dipstick> shoot, for the price we pay for 6mbit and land line, we could get 40mbit from them lol
[5:22] <ryao> It also should go nicely with the USB to PS/2 adapter that I just ordered.
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> I went with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704045&Tpk=TL-WN722N
[5:22] <TAFB> make sure you got a big power supply :)
[5:22] <GabrialDestruir> more expensive, you'll need a hub... but you get detatchable antenna too :D
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[5:24] <GabrialDestruir> Which means if I ever need to, I can attach a directional Wifi Antenna to it >.>
[5:24] <ryao> I suddenly feel like I should consider bluetooth.
[5:24] <GabrialDestruir> I can't think of what I'd ever use bluetooth for though.
[5:25] <TAFB> can someone tell me the exact path to the "config" folder on Wheezy
[5:25] <GabrialDestruir> I never use it as it is, but I suppose if you had a bluetooth stereo or something it could be useful.
[5:25] <dipstick> I hardly ever use my bt on my laptop.
[5:25] <pksato> "config" folder?
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[5:25] <TAFB> - cd .config
[5:25] <TAFB> - mkdir autostart
[5:25] <TAFB> - cd autostart
[5:26] <dipstick> um, in your home?
[5:26] <dipstick> /home/user/
[5:26] <TAFB> sweet, perfect, thx :)
[5:26] <GabrialDestruir> http://dx.com/p/micro-usb-female-to-micro-male-female-adapter-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901 does this exist anywhere other than DX?
[5:26] <ParkerR_> ~/ sweet ~/
[5:26] <dipstick> ^ XD
[5:26] <ryao> GabrialDestruir: Keyboard, Mouse, Internet Speakers.
[5:27] <pksato> global parameter is in /etc, per user is on $HOME, and prepended by dort (ex. .bashrc)
[5:27] <ryao> s/Internet Speakers/Internet, Speakers/
[5:27] <ryao> Actually, has anyone tried using a USB hub? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182168
[5:27] <pksato> I need a IBM model M keyboard. :)
[5:27] <ParkerR_> ryao, Heh well http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/sc/30671312-2-440-overview-1.gif
[5:27] <ParkerR_> :P
[5:28] <GabrialDestruir> I grabbed a USB hub off of the verified list.
[5:28] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[5:28] <ParkerR_> ryao, If anything you'll want a powered hub
[5:28] <ryao> pksato: That costs more than the computer.
[5:28] <GabrialDestruir> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[5:28] <ryao> ParkerR_: Does that mean that the Raspberry Pi cannot support accessories that require power?
[5:28] <dipstick> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-OEM-Galaxy-Micro-USB-Adapter/dp/B004T6MMZM/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1355027257&sr=8-9&keywords=Micro+USB+Female+to+Micro+Male+y+cable
[5:29] <echelon> anyone running slackware on their pi?
[5:29] <GabrialDestruir> Sweet, thanks, dipstick
[5:29] <ParkerR_> ryao, The hub will need to be powered if you are doing more than a few things off of it and the Pi USB ports
[5:29] <dipstick> ryao, it has limited ability to supply enough current to demanding devices.
[5:29] <dipstick> init the on board fuse rated at 850ma?
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[5:30] <ParkerR_> Init?
[5:30] <ParkerR_> Isn't?
[5:30] <GabrialDestruir> Except... damn, those look like they're power only.
[5:30] <ryao> My AC adapter is limited to 0.85 amps. It is the Kindle one.
[5:30] <pksato> 750mA polyfuse on power input.
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[5:31] <ParkerR_> Yeah you'll definitely need a powered hub
[5:31] <dipstick> ParkerR_, don't hate, I like saying init. :P
[5:31] <pksato> and onde 140mA per usb port, removed on v2
[5:32] <ryao> I have v2.
[5:32] <pksato> or replaced by 0ohm resistor some v1.
[5:32] <pksato> have two holes?
[5:32] <ryao> I also just want to run a keyboard, mouse and wireless NIC off it.
[5:32] <ryao> I have 512MB of RAM.
[5:33] <pksato> keyboard and mouse are low power.
[5:34] <ryao> I am looking at the EW-7811Un.
[5:34] <ryao> For Wi-Fi.
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[5:34] <dipstick> GabrialDestruir, what did you want that cable for? most usb type y-adaptors provide power, with the exception of those few that use the data lines on one plug.
[5:35] <GabrialDestruir> Laptop Dock
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[5:35] <dipstick> as a hub or just power?
[5:35] <GabrialDestruir> The one I linked too apparently is good for power and data with the laptop dock, but my experience with DX has been less than desirable
[5:35] <GabrialDestruir> both
[5:35] <dipstick> hmm, make one?
[5:36] <TAFB> ok, looks like I gotta re-image my OS/SD card :( so Wheezy is all I need? Don't need to worry about updating the firmwre, etc?!
[5:36] <dipstick> grab a hub and that cable and solder it in between.
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> Why go with wheezy....
[5:36] <GabrialDestruir> raspbian is better isn't it?
[5:36] <TAFB> all my webserver and mail server walkthroughs are on wheezy, I'm a linux noob, need all the help I can get :(
[5:37] <dipstick> lmao
[5:37] <GabrialDestruir> If I recall Raspbian is wheezy isn't it? just all hardfloat instead of softfloat
[5:37] <Tachyon`> well, armhf is hard float, armel, soft
[5:37] <Tachyon`> there are both
[5:38] <TAFB> k. wheezy's goin back over the SD card. Hopefully the "Resize to fill card" operation goes a little better this time :(
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[5:42] <GabrialDestruir> Wth do all the adapters on Amazon assume I want to go from big to small
[5:43] <ryao> What is a cheap powered USB hub available from either Newegg or Amazon?
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[5:46] <dipstick> http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Port-Speed-Power-Adapter/dp/B003Z4G3I6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355028159&sr=8-1&keywords=externally+powered+usb+hub
[5:46] <dipstick> ugly but costs 20 bucks
[5:46] <dipstick> 3A adaptor
[5:47] <TAFB> in raspi-config, when you tell it to resize the partition to fill the whole SD card, how long is that supposed to take on say a 16gb SD card? :(
[5:47] <dipstick> took my 8g a few minutes...
[5:48] <TAFB> hmm. i let it go for 10 and wasn't done, so just re-imaged it and the very first thing I did was tell it to do the resize. I guess I'll leave it longer.
[5:48] <dipstick> I do have a class 6 card though.
[5:49] <TAFB> mines class 10 so it shouldn't be slow, but I've heard the Pi is SUPER slow with some class10 cards, so dunno. My class 10: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[5:50] <TAFB> in my USB 3 card reader on my PC: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/patriot%2032gb%20class%2010%20SD%20card%20test.png
[5:50] <TAFB> that card just RIPS!
[5:50] <TAFB> not sure how to test the performance in the Pi
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[5:51] <bigluc> Hello
[5:51] <TAFB> well hello
[5:51] <bigluc> I need help with command line stuff
[5:51] <bigluc> I am trying to use the command systemctl
[5:51] <bigluc> but it says it is not recognized
[5:52] <bigluc> I was told to "try this on arch: systemctl enable /usr/lib/systemd/system/avahi-daemon.service"
[5:53] <bigluc> anyone?
[5:53] <TAFB> i found out that lots of commands that work on arch do not work on raspbian :(
[5:53] <bigluc> Is there an alternate to use this command?
[5:53] <TAFB> don't ask me, i'm noob
[5:54] <dipstick> most of us just use debian based distros :P
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[5:54] <bigluc> oh nevermind
[5:54] <bigluc> I solved my own problem
[5:54] <TAFB> congrats!
[5:54] <dipstick> woot
[5:54] <bigluc> thanks for you help
[5:54] <TAFB> wish my problems solved themselves like that :(
[5:54] <GabrialDestruir> Is it really such an odd thing to want a micro hdmi female to micro hdmi female on amazon for cheap?
[5:54] <dipstick> don't we all
[5:55] <bigluc> I got airplay working on the Pi
[5:55] <dipstick> GabrialDestruir, you're looking for lesbian cables?
[5:55] <GabrialDestruir> Lesbian adapters... at least
[5:56] <GabrialDestruir> I have an HDMI to Micro HDMI cable, I just need an adapter to go micro to micro
[5:57] <dipstick> I see
[5:59] <GabrialDestruir> Doesn't seem like a horribly odd requirest....
[5:59] <GabrialDestruir> yet googling it around you'd think it is
[6:01] <GabrialDestruir> Ah found one....
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[6:01] <GabrialDestruir> but apparently they only sell "lots"
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[6:03] <dipstick> I guess they even frown upon kiddie size connectors. :P
[6:04] <GabrialDestruir> I miss the days when you had like one or two connector types
[6:04] <GabrialDestruir> and you could buy off the shelf an adapter for ANYTHING
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[6:05] <a1will> I'm going to format a 1tb hdd in exfat....any recommendations as to unit allocation size?
[6:06] <GabrialDestruir> Why exfat? .-.
[6:06] <a1will> I think the larger files you have the bigger you want it....I'm going to have mostly avi's around 700mb-1.3gb....But will have some larger (6-12gb) HD files...
[6:06] <atouk> make it one big cluster. more efficient
[6:06] <a1will> gab--Going away from ntfs..and want something portable...not dedicated to linux
[6:07] <akiwiguy> ext3 is portable
[6:07] <akiwiguy> there's windows drivers for it
[6:07] <a1will> want it pnp...in case i need to take it to a friends house
[6:07] <axion> define portable
[6:07] <a1will> pnp with windows/linuc
[6:08] <axion> ext3 with additional windows software, or fat32
[6:08] <a1will> atouk--how would i do that 32768kb is largest i see
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[6:08] <a1will> axion-fat32 doesn't do files larger than 4gb if i remember correctly
[6:08] <GabrialDestruir> Huh.... turns out if you have a later revision board you don't need to power the pi through the micro USB?
[6:08] <GabrialDestruir> apparently you can do it via regular USB
[6:09] <ryao> Wow. Look at that markup: http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-Revision-512MB/dp/B009SQQF9C/ref=sr_1_1
[6:09] <TAFB> I back power mine with PoE through the regular usb
[6:09] <axion> you can always mount ext4 as ext3 too, as long as it doesnt use ext4 specific options
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[6:09] <a1will> ryao--saw that...the reviews were flaming him
[6:09] <ryao> a1will: He is making money.
[6:10] <ryao> It would be nice if the Raspberry Pi was available through Amazon.
[6:10] <ryao> And I mean officially.
[6:11] <dipstick> it is, for 65 bucks...
[6:12] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... huge price gouge, you can't even call that supply and demand...
[6:12] <GabrialDestruir> that's just straight up gouging
[6:13] <ryao> It seems like S&D to me. :/
[6:14] <a1will> I would doubt that if ppl buy it from him it is because they cannot get it anywhere else...I would think it would be because they didn't take the time to find a source
[6:14] <GabrialDestruir> Idk.... double the price for S&D?
[6:14] <a1will> He probably orders from newark etc..and drop ships to the end customer...LOL
[6:14] <GabrialDestruir> It's because they don't want to wait a couple weeks for stock
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[6:17] <burek> hi all :)
[6:17] <GabrialDestruir> I'm surprised that all the manufacturers are out of stock though, I thought they stopped being on back order months ago
[6:17] <TAFB> Newark Canada had lots of stock of the 512mb Pi when I ordered a few days ago.
[6:18] <burek> i was trying to stream a h264 from my webcam, using raspberry pi :) the webcam has got its own internal h264 encoder, so all i had to do in rpi was to get the stream, remux it, and send it to the player :) but this produced a lot of artifacts (using the same configuration / tools as on x86 machines where it performed beuatifully)
[6:19] <burek> does anyone have any idea what could be the reason for this or how could i debug it some more to find it out
[6:19] <dipstick> I'm really surprised on how many people actually want this "dev-pc".
[6:19] <GabrialDestruir> They want cheap media centers I bet
[6:19] <bigluc> I just got mine
[6:19] <bigluc> a couple weeks ago
[6:20] <bigluc> took them like a month to get mine out
[6:20] <GabrialDestruir> and with like raspbmc it really is a nice little cheap mediacenter
[6:20] <bigluc> I'm using it for projects and stuff
[6:20] <bigluc> like automation
[6:21] <bigluc> similarly to what I used Arduino for
[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> I'm not sure if it still applies to the 512 model but I imagine it does.... you only need 2 cords for the laptop dock
[6:21] <GabrialDestruir> female micro usb to male usb and micro female hdmi to male hdmi
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[6:22] <GabrialDestruir> Which is just awesome :D
[6:23] <dipstick> I got mine tuesday. took them about 3 weeks to get it out.
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[6:24] <GabrialDestruir> Too bad the laptop dock doesn't have built in wifi. lol
[6:25] <dipstick> it could ;)
[6:25] <ParkerR_> Mine should be here soon
[6:25] <ParkerR_> The dock that i
[6:25] <ParkerR_> *is
[6:25] <dipstick> just upgrade it's hub with more ports and integrate a wifi device.
[6:26] <ParkerR_> Or just sacrifice a USB port and built a dingle in
[6:26] <GabrialDestruir> I'm looking at the cost of a dock now with just two cords since apparently with later versions of the Pi you don't need a splitter.
[6:26] <ParkerR_> *dongle
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I'd probably end up sacrificing a port.
[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> But that's fine.
[6:28] <dipstick> hmm, so if I managed to find a high current 4v adaptor and a powered hub, I can hack the hub to power the pi as well?
[6:29] <dipstick> 5v*
[6:29] <TAFB> yep, back powering works sweet.
[6:30] <GabrialDestruir> Yep, without the polyfuse backpowering works.
[6:31] <dipstick> awesome. now I just need a 4 port hub capable of supplying 3A or more.
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[6:31] <TAFB> I had a little cube shaped USB hub that had 4 ports at 2amps each, came with 10amp 5v power supply :)
[6:32] <dipstick> awesome, where at?
[6:33] <TAFB> no idea, had no name brand on it, just in a "5 for any item" box at the flea market. Saw on the 5v adapter 10amp and had to have it. It had a special connector on it so I just cut it off and harvested it. I tried searching online and couldn't find any 4 port 2amp (each) hubs :(
[6:33] <dipstick> I like beasty power supplies.
[6:33] <TAFB> me three
[6:33] <brady2600> humm.. i set up a ftp server on the pi, and i can connect to it via the local network
[6:33] <brady2600> however cannot connect to it over the internet
[6:33] <TAFB> I'll have to do that so I can dump files on it too. If I try and copy them over the network the permissions are all messed up. through ftp works fine.
[6:34] <brady2600> i thought ports, but i believe i was connecting though port 22, isn't that the same port as ssh?
[6:34] <TAFB> port forwarding in your router brady, and remember some ISP's block incoming port 21
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[6:34] <dipstick> ftp is port 21, ssh is port 22
[6:35] <brady2600> ahhh! thanks
[6:35] <TAFB> you can go to shields up on the internet and it'll run a test of your connection and show you if port 21 is blocked at your ISP or your router, firewall, etc.
[6:35] <dipstick> no one said you HAVE to use the standard ports.
[6:36] <TAFB> I'm so happy I switched ISP's. no more blocked ports. I'm running SMTP on 25 (incoming) and FTP works sweet too :)
[6:36] <brady2600> lol with the screenname dipstick, with a quick read it looks like your saying "dipstick, no one said you HAVE to use the standard ports.
[6:36] <brady2600> lol
[6:36] <TAFB> lol
[6:36] <dipstick> lol
[6:37] <brady2600> so far my isp seems ok. i dont get blocked on web hosting or ssh
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[6:38] <TAFB> nice. my previous ISP I was able to host web as well, but the blocked incoming port 25 (to prevent spam? LOL!). I said block OUTGOING 25 is fine, but not incoming! bastards.
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[6:38] <blueskies2> hey
[6:38] <TAFB> hey is for horses
[6:38] <blueskies2> quick question, power (instead of m-usb) to GPIO ?
[6:38] <TAFB> what rev? 2, 512mb B?
[6:38] <blueskies2> hay is for horses actually
[6:39] <blueskies2> 2 i belive it has mounting holes
[6:39] <TAFB> ver 2 512mb B: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[6:39] <blueskies2> looks the same
[6:39] <GabrialDestruir> It came with heatsinks?
[6:40] <TAFB> yep
[6:40] <GabrialDestruir> That from newark?
[6:40] <TAFB> you can back power it through the regular USB port if you don't mind losing a port.
[6:40] <blueskies2> no heatsinks
[6:40] <GabrialDestruir> I plan to with my Laptop dock
[6:40] <GabrialDestruir> and I won't lose a port cause it'll double as a hub too :D
[6:40] <dipstick> mine didn't come with heatsinks :(
[6:40] <TAFB> Gab: yep. When I sent back my replacement they gave me that one and there were heatsinks in the box. Not sure if they are trying to tell me something. I'm not using them.
[6:41] <GabrialDestruir> Send them to me then? xD
[6:41] <piney0> blueskies2, you can power it via the gpio header too if that's what your asking
[6:41] <dipstick> the cpu does get a bit warm >.<
[6:42] <TAFB> I ordered this case, full chip contact for flawless cooling: www.ebay.ca/itm/110959219089
[6:42] <TAFB> check out this picture: http://piholder.com/Raspberry_Pi_Case/Raspberry_pi_case_assembley_02.jpg
[6:42] <TAFB> thermal goo and everything :)
[6:42] <blueskies2> yeh i am, is 5v + to pin top right and - second down from top right
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[6:42] <GabrialDestruir> That's nice...
[6:42] <GabrialDestruir> expensive though .-.
[6:42] <TAFB> tru dat.
[6:42] <dipstick> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-10A-DC-Universal-Regulated-Switching-Power-Supply-/270668197713?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0514ef51
[6:42] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB: any idea what degree difference you get with and without the case on the cpu?
[6:42] <dipstick> giggity
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[6:43] <ShiftPlusOne> because you can apply as much thermal paste as you want, you're not going to do much to the CPU through the ram chip.
[6:43] <TAFB> I don't have the case yet :( should be here any day. I will do tests (with overclock too). I have a temp data logger and thermal camera so should get some good pics/data.
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[6:43] <blueskies2> piney0: yeh i am, is 5v + to pin top right and - second down from top right?
[6:44] <piney0> blueskies2, http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals go by that and the p1 printed on the circuit board
[6:44] <GabrialDestruir> Still, the heat is dispersing through the ram I'm guessing.
[6:44] <ShiftPlusOne> There's no real thermal coupling with the PoP packages.
[6:44] <GabrialDestruir> so a heatsink would make some difference
[6:44] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe 2 degrees max.
[6:44] <blueskies2> i am, im just not 100% sure
[6:45] <blueskies2> if i got it right, can you tell me what they are labled at that site for me
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[6:45] <dipstick> TAFB, do you have a pic of your 10A supply?
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[6:45] <piney0> yes, top right and 2'nd one down from that
[6:45] <blueskies2> 5v power and ground, thanks piney ill let you know how it goes :)
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[6:45] <GabrialDestruir> I was thinking a USB fan for my setup... but I don't think it'll make the same difference that a desktop fan did.
[6:45] <piney0> top right is +, skip one, then -
[6:46] <blueskies2> we have power :)
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir> With the desktop fan my Pi stayed around 30-40
[6:46] <blueskies2> just didnt want to feed power to the wrong point. thanks
[6:46] <GabrialDestruir> opposed to the 50-60 without
[6:47] <TAFB> looks exactly like this one: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/01/19/new-product-5v-10a-switching-power-supply/
[6:47] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir: is your pi overheating?
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[6:48] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir: these chips are designed not to need fans and heatsinks, it's not your typical PC CPU. These are designed for phones and routers and so on.
[6:48] <GabrialDestruir> Mmm it doesn't ever go about 65 I'd say. But I think it's hotter than it should be.
[6:48] <GabrialDestruir> above*
[6:49] <TAFB> ok, my Pi is finally done expanding! I forget I had 32gb card, that's why it took so long :) lol. Ok, back to setting up x11vnc... brb.
[6:49] <GabrialDestruir> I stand corrected, my XBMC Pi is currently at 67c with a show on paused
[6:50] <dipstick> TAFB, hmm, 25 bucks not bad.
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[6:51] <GabrialDestruir> I thing the case is holding it a bit of heat.... which is why it's so hot.
[6:51] <TAFB> it's nice too, runs a little hot, 5.2v even under heavy load, makes ish run niiiiiice.
[6:52] <dipstick> can't be no hotter than my laptop's psu :x
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[6:52] <TAFB> by hot I meant higher than 5v, it barely gets warm to the touch.
[6:52] <dipstick> oooh
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[6:53] <dipstick> 5.2v is no big. that means it's perfect.
[6:53] <TAFB> yep, even on crappy micro USB cables I'm getting 5.12v at the Pi :)
[6:54] <dipstick> kinda wish I can find it cheaper though.
[6:54] <TAFB> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/DC-LED-Power-Supply-S-50-5-Regulated-Switching-5VDC-10Amps-50W/701449922.html
[6:54] <TAFB> still checking...
[6:56] <TAFB> here's a 4amp for $14 with fast DHL express shipping: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Home-Adapter-Power-Adapter-AC-DC-5V-4A-DC-plug-5-5-x-2-1mm-10pcs/453080541.html
[6:56] <ShiftPlusOne> GabrialDestruir: worry if it starts getting to 85 degrees (Celsius)
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[6:56] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't the cutoff threshold by default like 80?
[6:57] <ShiftPlusOne> THe maximum operating temperature of similar chips is 85, so yes, I wouldn't be surprised if it automatically cut off at 80
[6:57] <TAFB> 5volt 5amp for $7.45 slow shipping: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/25W-CE-approved-low-price-single-output-switch-power-supply-S-25-5/387708039.html
[6:58] <TAFB> 5volt 7amp for $8.83 slow shipping: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/35W-CE-certification-low-shipping-cost-led-power-supply-S-35-5/387712470.html
[6:58] <dipstick> lol
[6:59] <TAFB> here it is, 5 volts, 10 amps, $9.46 slow shipping: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/factory-directly-deal-CE-approved-switching-power-supply-S-50-5/388049386.html
[6:59] <TAFB> best deal you'll find anywhere :)
[7:00] <dipstick> those ones at aliexpress are rather boxy and metallic...
[7:00] <ShiftPlusOne> What the hell do you need a 10 amp supply for?
[7:00] <TAFB> lots of USB ish
[7:00] <TAFB> 1 watt USB wireless adapters, etc
[7:00] <dipstick> shadeslayer, not much but I could always find a use for it.
[7:01] <TAFB> i steal my neighbours wireless internet, he's 21km away :)
[7:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not even that that your standard wires can handle that much current
[7:01] <ShiftPlusOne> You'd need some thick beefy ones going up to the point where it splits, I think.
[7:01] <dipstick> my little power dongles are a bit wimpy for the pi.
[7:01] <piney0> i can't see me outgrowing my 3a lm2596 smps
[7:01] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[7:02] <dipstick> 18awg should work fine.
[7:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[7:02] <dipstick> heh, I really could get by with 2a for now but I like options.
[7:02] <TAFB> dip: if you want to go INSANE, 5 volts 25 amps, $15.68 slow shipping: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CE-approved-facotry-price-low-shipping-5V25A-145-swtich-mode-power-supply-S-145-5/388793901.html
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[7:03] <dipstick> LOL
[7:03] <ShiftPlusOne> O_o
[7:03] <TAFB> hehe
[7:03] <TAFB> for when you need to power your NEIGHBOURS Pi ;)
[7:04] <ShiftPlusOne> actually, that will power 33 pis
[7:04] <TAFB> ok, after my re-image my mouse isn't working in X anymore :( more troubleshooting :(
[7:04] <dipstick> I had modded an old pc psu that can give my 30A at 5v. :)
[7:04] <TAFB> nice
[7:05] <dipstick> it's an 350 watt psu.
[7:05] <TAFB> brb, going to try and get mouse working before x11vnc. brb.
[7:05] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, ATX supplies are the way to go, I think.
[7:05] <dipstick> got the usual voltages but it's not so "portable"
[7:05] <piney0> don't some large smps require a minimum load to output the correct voltage?
[7:05] <GabrialDestruir> I think I'll just invest a permanent desktop fan for my Pi's
[7:05] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[7:06] <ShiftPlusOne> They are usually *actually* certified, well engineered and mass produced, so very cheap for what they are.
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[7:06] <dipstick> yes they are.
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[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> Ah the drawbacks of a lego case....
[7:10] <GabrialDestruir> a piece fell off and I lost it somewhere xD
[7:11] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[7:11] <dipstick> lol
[7:13] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't the slightest clue where it dropped either
[7:15] <dipstick> I've done that with screws many times >,<
[7:15] <dipstick> bloody carpeted floor >=[ I curse thee
[7:15] <GabrialDestruir> aha!
[7:15] <GabrialDestruir> found it!
[7:17] <dipstick> \o/
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[7:18] <TAFB> wow, raspberrypi-tutorials.co.uk ain't very fast on this side of the pond :(
[7:18] <ShiftPlusOne> </shameless plug> =P
[7:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Not loading for me either, btw.
[7:19] <TAFB> ahhhh. lol. must find other tutorial on setting static ip address :)
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[7:21] <dipstick> got nothin on my end.
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[7:22] <GabrialDestruir> Dead here too.
[7:23] <blueskies2> hi, just powered my rpi for first time, card has img written to it, no display. is it likely that card isnt being read
[7:23] <blueskies2> *able to read that type of card
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[7:23] <dipstick> how was the img written?
[7:23] <TAFB> do you see the ACT green led blink a bunch of times after powering up?
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[7:23] <GabrialDestruir> I think I need to revamp my lego case with more breathing room.
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[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> It seems with a one piece difference in the case, there's a 5 degree difference.
[7:25] <TAFB> Woot: rootfs, Size: 30G Used: 1.4G Free: 27G Use: 5% RESIZE WORKED!
[7:25] <blueskies2> "Win32DiskImager"
[7:25] <blueskies2> dip using windows and imgwritter
[7:26] <TAFB> blue: how bout the green act led?
[7:26] <blueskies2> no light just orange pwr light
[7:27] <dipstick> have you tried turning it off then on again?
[7:27] <blueskies2> yeah
[7:28] <blueskies2> maybe ill rewrite it?
[7:28] <TAFB> sounds like the image didn't write properly.
[7:28] <TAFB> When I was writing my image, I forgot I had usb stick in back of PC and it kept writing to that! lol.
[7:28] <TAFB> so my SD was empty ;)
[7:28] <TAFB> took me about 5 re-writes to notice
[7:28] <TAFB> same issue as you, no display, no green act blinkie
[7:28] <blueskies2> haha, na my card has the files on it
[7:29] <TAFB> okies
[7:29] <TAFB> name brand sd card?
[7:29] <blueskies2> lexar
[7:29] <blueskies2> its prob generic :(
[7:29] <TAFB> class 10?
[7:30] <blueskies2> how do i tell??
[7:30] <TAFB> usually says on it, or sometimes little logo, circle with a 10 in it, etc.
[7:30] <blueskies2> its got on the bottom SDHC (4)
[7:30] <TAFB> so class 4, that's good.
[7:30] <blueskies2> :D
[7:31] <TAFB> did you run a checksum on the image you downloaded, make sure not corrupt?
[7:31] <blueskies2> na ill do that and use flashnul this time
[7:31] <blueskies2> ill let you know how it goes
[7:31] <TAFB> okies, do the checksum too, I had to download it from torrent, HTTP was corrupt every time, but winimage never complained
[7:32] <blueskies2> yeh, i did torrent so it should be fine.
[7:36] <GabrialDestruir> Is there an easy way to turn cat /proc/meminfo into human readable if I'm using it for PhP?
[7:37] <lunra> it already is human readable?
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[7:38] <GabrialDestruir> Yea but it's in kB not MB or w/e
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[7:39] <ackthet> dude... parse it and convert
[7:39] <lunra> I don't really know much about PHP but it should be easy to parse it line by line and just divide the number by 1024
[7:41] <GabrialDestruir> So much work..... lol
[7:41] <dipstick> use a calculator you lazy
[7:41] <lunra> He's trying to read it in PHP, so using a desk calculator isn't really feasable
[7:41] <TAFB> how does the pi know the correct date and time automatically?
[7:42] <lunra> Though building a robot and a webcam w/ image processing rig sounds like fun.
[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB: Steals it from the internet
[7:42] <TAFB> ahhhh. didn't know it was doing that all by itself :)
[7:42] <ShiftPlusOne> (ntp)
[7:44] <TAFB> how do I change the resolution of X, or is that something I force with x11vnc?
[7:45] <lunra> You can change the framebuffer size in config.txt, I think that worked for me
[7:45] <TAFB> where is confix.txt? :)
[7:45] <lunra> Ohh, nvm, you're using vnc
[7:46] <lunra> it probably won't work. anyway, it's in /boot
[7:46] <TAFB> I'll try it.
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[7:46] <TAFB> i sucessfully got x11vnc to load up automatically when the Pi boots, so I can now remote reboot it without worries :)
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[7:47] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to !grep?
[7:49] <GabrialDestruir> Like cat /proc/meminfo | grep Cached: | !grep SwapCached:
[7:49] <GabrialDestruir> nevermind found it .-.
[7:50] <TAFB> lunra: it worked! I uncommented the lines for force 1280x720 and it worked flawless. I put it to force HDMI enable because I have the HDMI cable unplugged now :) works flawless.
[7:50] <lunra> glad to hear it :D
[7:51] <TAFB> mew new VNC Pi desktop: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_VNC_desktop.png
[7:52] <axion> you are adding overhead by using the cat command without need
[7:52] <lunra> a UUoC (useless use of cat)
[7:53] <axion> infact most of coreutils is useless
[7:53] <TAFB> OMG FILE TRANSFER WORKS TOO! Freakin SWEET! Way better than FTP :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_VNC_file_transfer.png
[7:54] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB: not an ssh fan?
[7:54] <lunra> don't use FTP, ever
[7:54] <TAFB> I'm a windows guy Shift :)
[7:54] <lunra> PuTTY
[7:54] <TAFB> lunra, I had to use FTP. If I copied files over the network it totally broke the permissions.
[7:54] <lunra> and WinSCP
[7:54] <TAFB> pfft. I like vnc :)
[7:54] <lunra> no excuses, FTP is pure evil :X
[7:55] <axion> poke another hole in your network then :)
[7:55] <TAFB> my network is so holy, you have no idea :)
[7:55] <TAFB> I just DMZ's the Pi, opened all ports ;)
[7:56] <lunra> DMZ'd pi running a VNC server...
[7:56] <TAFB> :)
[7:56] <lunra> Well, at least I know of no copy-and-paste weaponsized 'sploits that have ever targetted ARMv6
[7:56] <dipstick> OMG!
[7:56] <lunra> *weaponised
[7:56] <TAFB> coming soon to a raspberry near you!
[7:57] <TAFB> ok, now, just gotta figure out how to set manual ip address on my Pi and I'm all set
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[7:57] <dipstick> /etc/networking/interfaces
[7:58] <lunra> ARM's a bitch to write exploits for. Far from impossible, but I gave up trying to get a basic gets() vulnerability to spawn a shell.
[7:58] <TAFB> thanks dip... checking.
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> lunra >=/
[7:58] <lunra> Eep, sorry.
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> =)
[7:58] <ShiftPlusOne> happens
[7:58] <lunra> Sorry for the fowl mouth, not for playing with security
[7:58] <TAFB> no such folder "networking"
[7:59] <TAFB> ahhhhhh "network"
[7:59] <dipstick> ya
[7:59] <axion> security is not a physical thing to play with, but only a sense
[7:59] <TAFB> you were just testin me right dip? ;)
[7:59] <ShiftPlusOne> lol... "fowl language"
[7:59] <lunra> *foul
[7:59] <TAFB> what's the editer called again?
[7:59] <TAFB> i always get it mixed up with sudo
[8:00] <lunra> thanks for pointing that out.
[8:00] <dipstick> yup >=]
[8:00] <dipstick> nano or vi
[8:00] <TAFB> nano, that's the one :)
[8:00] * TAFB writes it down
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[8:00] <dipstick> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[8:00] <lunra> I highly recommend Nice Editor, but you'll probably have to compile that from source as it's rather obscure.
[8:00] <axion> UUoS
[8:00] <TAFB> ohhhh. i can copy and paste commands now, vnc, terminal, woot.
[8:01] <lunra> How is it a useless use of sudo?
[8:01] <dipstick> whatever happened to good ol ssh >.>
[8:01] <TAFB> ok, it's up. iface eth0 inet dhcp...
[8:01] <ShiftPlusOne> dipstick: windows users haven't caught on yet.
[8:01] <lunra> some people can't stand not having graphics, and that's okay
[8:02] <lunra> for now anyway. They'll get there >:D
[8:02] <blueskies2> hey ppl, anyone know the md5 for 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img
[8:02] <dipstick> frakk gfx :P
[8:02] <lunra> Now that's in a grey area.
[8:03] <TAFB> dip... need some ip helpz :)
[8:03] <dipstick> ok
[8:03] <TAFB> have the file open, I see dhcp in two spots. what do i do?!
[8:03] <TAFB> iface default inet dhcp (down below)
[8:03] <TAFB> and iface eth0 inet dhcp (up top)
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[8:04] <dipstick> um, you need auto eth0 near the top...
[8:04] <TAFB> auto lo?
[8:04] <dipstick> erm
[8:04] <dipstick> you want static right?
[8:04] <TAFB> yep
[8:05] <TAFB> no dhcp = evil
[8:05] <GabrialDestruir> I have no clue which of these gives "Shared" on free -hot
[8:05] <dipstick> it's been so long sense I actually put static ips into the interfaces file.
[8:05] <TAFB> rofl
[8:06] <TAFB> that's not good.
[8:06] <lunra> router side static ftw
[8:06] <axion> i would never give sudo access to a text editor. in the rare instance a sysadmin needs edit a global file, su is sufficient. the same reason you wouldnt allow sudo to use su.
[8:06] <dipstick> I'd just put the ips in the router.
[8:06] <TAFB> dun mess me up, pi is screwed to the ceiling now, bitch to connect ish to it now (display, keyboard)
[8:06] <lunra> axion: What? Using su to spawn a new shell and then run the text editor?
[8:07] <axion> no
[8:07] <dipstick> collect mac, add to router and done. all the pi would need is to add 'auto eth0' in that file to trigger dhcp.
[8:07] <lunra> TAFB: Might wanna avoid the b word, I just got into trouble for that :>
[8:07] <TAFB> ah. okies.
[8:07] <TAFB> dip: until the router resets and loses mac and assigns new ip :(
[8:08] <GabrialDestruir> ddwrt... :D
[8:08] <TAFB> going to try this one: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[8:08] <GabrialDestruir> Permanent Static IPs
[8:08] <TAFB> here it goes.
[8:08] <TAFB> and I love DDWRT ;)
[8:09] <TAFB> for the new high speed internet here (100mbps down 15mbps up) they made me get an all in one router/modem that doesn't have bridge mode :(
[8:09] <dipstick> my netgear has the default firmware and it'll do ip reserves :)
[8:09] <TAFB> so does mine, but when we have a storm and stuff it resets back to factory default :(
[8:09] <dipstick> oh snap
[8:10] <TAFB> i got it on AVR ups with surge protection on cable and eithernet lines. ish should hold up now.
[8:10] <dipstick> wow
[8:10] <dipstick> mine hasn't forgot anything yet.
[8:11] <TAFB> i run web and e-mail servers from my house. can't have my router resetting! I'm moving all my servers over to the Pi!
[8:11] <TAFB> It's going to save me 1600 watts of electricity :)
[8:12] <dipstick> iface eth0 inet static
[8:12] <dipstick> address
[8:12] <dipstick> netmask
[8:12] <dipstick> gateway
[8:12] <dipstick> there you go
[8:12] <TAFB> yep, I got er from http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[8:12] <dipstick> had to fetch it from my local server.
[8:13] <dipstick> I like my subnet :)
[8:14] <TAFB> what is "Broadcast IP"?
[8:14] <dipstick> easier to say and type than I loose people after the first number.
[8:15] <dipstick> not sure, never really understood it.
[8:15] <dipstick> it's not required.
[8:15] <TAFB> ok, I'll remove it from the file
[8:15] <TAFB> so I have: iface eth0 inet static
[8:15] <TAFB> address
[8:15] <TAFB> netmask
[8:15] <TAFB> network
[8:15] <TAFB> gateway
[8:16] <dipstick> address, netmask, and gateway will git you up and running. don't forget the 'auto eth0' at the top.
[8:16] <dipstick> so it'll actually bring up the interface.
[8:16] <TAFB> k. put it in :)
[8:17] <TAFB> given her a reboot, better work when it comes back up :)
[8:18] <dipstick> I'm installing raspbmc on my pi
[8:18] <TAFB> is that the media center software?
[8:18] <dipstick> yar
[8:19] <dipstick> I figure I'd give it a try.
[8:19] <TAFB> I've got a little AIOS media box that plays everything from our network flawless, optical audio to our receiver, etc. I ain't messin with it.
[8:20] <dipstick> my desktop serves as the media pc in my room. it does good. don't have anything dedicated to it yet.
[8:20] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if my Pi could handle wordpress....
[8:20] <dipstick> to video on mah tv that is.
[8:20] <dipstick> lol
[8:20] <TAFB> omfg, I thought it wasn't coming back up! Forgot to vnc to it on the new IP :)
[8:21] <TAFB> works sweet, just gotta test DNS and ish and we're good to go :)
[8:21] <dipstick> LOL
[8:21] <TAFB> dns works, didn't have to change nothin :) woot.
[8:22] <TAFB> ok, I'm ready to install Pancake and Citadel... yikes.
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[8:27] <blueskies2> ok, so new rpi problem is no display. Power to +5v & Ground GPIO pins, confirmed working SD card on wiki. I wrote img to SD card and could see the 55mb partition with files. the chksum was good for the zip file. orange pwr light what could be my problem (also no usb devices connected/ethernet)
[8:27] <TAFB> how many ma or amps is your 5v source?
[8:27] <blueskies2> 1A
[8:27] <dipstick> rawr, no mouse or kb controls in raspbmc
[8:27] <TAFB> should be good
[8:28] <TAFB> do you have a volt meter?
[8:28] <blueskies2> not on me today :(
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[8:28] <TAFB> bummer
[8:28] <blueskies2> thinking check the amps
[8:28] <TAFB> was going to get you to check the voltage that the actual Pi is getting after draw.
[8:28] <blueskies2> yeh
[8:28] <TAFB> there's two pins on the board you can check, are after the poly fuses.
[8:29] <blueskies2> does the v2 have poly fuses?
[8:29] <TAFB> yep :(
[8:29] <blueskies2> i dont know what im talking about lol
[8:29] <blueskies2> i just read they were removed somewhere lol
[8:29] <TAFB> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[8:30] <TAFB> scroll way to the bottom where you see the multimeter being tested
[8:30] <TAFB> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
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[8:31] <blueskies2> thanks tafb, what else could it be?
[8:32] <blueskies2> and should it always be 5v exactly?
[8:32] <TAFB> not sure, if it's not getting green blinkie activity lights on power up it's 92.3% of the time the SD card :(
[8:32] <TAFB> go you have a crappy 4gb card laying around, or can steal from a camera, try a different one?
[8:33] <blueskies2> haha 92.3%, only a 1gb one maybe i can use a smaller image
[8:33] <TAFB> not sure, my images come up to 1.4gb
[8:34] <blueskies2> when does the green act light come on? straight away?
[8:34] <TAFB> yeah, like 0.5 seconds after power up, stays solid for a second then blink blink blink.
[8:34] <TAFB> if you're not getting that, it means the Pi can't find the operating system
[8:36] <dipstick> lulz my 750ma 5v adaptor doesn't have enough juice to power a kb, networking, and the pi.
[8:37] <TAFB> my 1000ma couldn't power my Pi plus USB keyboard. Would work without HDMI connected. Was crappy thin usb cable :(
[8:37] <dipstick> I attached a 2a one and it worked.
[8:37] <dipstick> injecting power through it's 2 usb ports lol
[8:38] <TAFB> nice ;)
[8:40] <blueskies2> ok i have the act flashing 3 times pauses and flashing 3 more times now. no display still
[8:40] <TAFB> ahhh, that's secret code.
[8:40] <TAFB> one sec.
[8:40] <blueskies2> loader
[8:41] <TAFB> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
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[8:44] <dipstick> yay, it plays video :)
[8:45] * CelticTurnip pops back in
[8:49] <TAFB> i need to disable the screen blanking in X, where do I config that?
[8:49] <blueskies2> is that in config.txt?
[8:49] <dipstick> screensaver?
[8:49] <TAFB> yeah, screensaver i guess
[8:49] <dipstick> power settings?
[8:49] <akiwiguy> that's nowhere near config.txt
[8:49] <blueskies2> haha
[8:50] <dipstick> :P
[8:50] <blueskies2> i just relised the question
[8:50] <blueskies2> i power setting i would guess.
[8:50] <TAFB> can't find it anywhere in x
[8:50] <CelticTurnip> using LXDE?
[8:50] <akiwiguy> either screensaver settings or it's DPMS turning off the screen which you should be able to disable if there's any power settings control panel thing
[8:50] <TAFB> yeah I think it's LXDE
[8:50] <CelticTurnip> you can delete it from the LXDE autostart file iirc
[8:51] <CelticTurnip> where that is on a Pi? NFI :)
[8:51] <TAFB> I can't open "monitor settings"
[8:51] <TAFB> says the only thing loading are x11vnc and lxpolkit
[8:51] <blueskies2> i have a working pi now :)
[8:51] <TAFB> WOOT!
[8:51] <TAFB> what was it?!?!
[8:51] <CelticTurnip> \o/
[8:52] <blueskies2> well one big one! and one small issue
[8:53] <blueskies2> i was one pin wrong for ground (im assuming if it was 5v+ it would fry)
[8:53] <TAFB> ...........
[8:53] <TAFB> weird you even got a power light! scary :)
[8:53] <blueskies2> yeh very
[8:54] <blueskies2> and the other was i modifed the boot bin file heard that might fix issues. so i just re imaged the card and works :)
[8:55] <TAFB> nice. congrats!
[8:56] <blueskies2> so im very happy, compared to the very scared when i relised the pin was in the wrong place
[8:56] <blueskies2> thanks for your help :)
[8:56] <TAFB> keep it powered up for 30 mins straight and make sure it doesn't go "dark" (ethernet and usb drop out).
[8:56] <TAFB> no probs, glad we were here for ya.
[8:56] <TAFB> Found how to disable screen blanking: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=18200
[8:56] <TAFB> sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[8:57] <GabrialDestruir> Seems that there isn't a good way to install WP with sqlite. Boo on that.
[8:57] <blueskies2> whats the problem with sqlite & wp?
[8:58] <dipstick> rawr, raspbmc doesn't like some of my 720 and no 1080p vids :(
[8:59] <TAFB> do you think there's a way to disable all halt and shutdown on the system, to make sure it always reboots instead?
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[9:00] <CelticTurnip> why would you want to? you have to run the commands to shutdown... don't run them... fixed :P
[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> realias them
[9:00] <GabrialDestruir> shutdown is just an alias
[9:00] <TAFB> in case I accidently clicked shutdown instead of reboot. Pi is in a very inaccessable place to go power cycle it.
[9:01] <GabrialDestruir> oh if you're talking interface idk
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[9:02] <CelticTurnip> TAFB read the docs for your desktop, maybe you can edit the menus
[9:02] <CelticTurnip> I don't use X so I have no clue though :)
[9:03] <CelticTurnip> back in my day if we didn't want to do something we just didn't do it :P
[9:03] <TAFB> ahhh, nice plan :)
[9:04] <CelticTurnip> if you were on a BSD I'd say remove yourself from the operator group :P
[9:04] <CelticTurnip> so there you go, install FreeBSD, get it running then ask again :)
[9:04] <akiwiguy> removing yourself from the 'power' group should do that anyway
[9:05] <CelticTurnip> there you go :)
[9:05] <akiwiguy> depends on how whatever distro you're using is set up
[9:05] <akiwiguy> since i don't actually have my Pi yet ;)
[9:05] <CelticTurnip> yeah outside of the Pi I don't use Linux at all :)
[9:05] <akiwiguy> oh i use it exclusively
[9:06] <CelticTurnip> OpenBSD, FreeBSD here
[9:06] <akiwiguy> i used to use openbsd but ended up going back to Arch because i didn't like the package management
[9:07] <CelticTurnip> really? I can't fault it
[9:07] <akiwiguy> i'm a huge `pacman` fangirl
[9:07] <CelticTurnip> I've been thinking of chuck Arch on my spare Pi just to have a look at it
[9:08] <akiwiguy> oh, i highly recommend it
[9:08] <akiwiguy> it's what i'll be running on mine whne i get it in a couple weeks
[9:08] <CelticTurnip> like everything though it's all about what you're comfortable with, I love OpenBSD but a heap of people I know just don't like it :)
[9:08] <akiwiguy> yeah
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[9:08] <akiwiguy> is there a *BSD port for the Pi?
[9:08] <CelticTurnip> both FreeBSD and NetBSD are WIPs
[9:09] <CelticTurnip> OpenBSD will never be ported because of the locked down firmware
[9:09] <akiwiguy> yeah
[9:09] <akiwiguy> i'm not surprised about the NetBSD port
[9:10] <akiwiguy> they made it run on a toaster, i'm sure a Pi is a pretty important step in the "runs on everything" thing :P
[9:10] <CelticTurnip> most of the work seems to be happening on FreeBSD, it should be complete when 10-release is released.... whenever that is :)
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[9:17] <dipstick> nite folks
[9:17] <TAFB> nite nite
[9:17] <TAFB> i'm going to be too, 3:17am here :)
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[9:26] <TAFB> is the linux that's on the Pi 32bit or 64bit?
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[9:33] <CelticTurnip> the Pi is 32 bit
[9:33] <TAFB> thanks :)
[9:34] <TAFB> wonder if this works with the Pi, so cheap :) http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=050682
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[9:39] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=27 has it in stock as a "working" accessory
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[9:47] <TAFB> sweet, I'll give er a go :)
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[9:59] <TAFB> got it in it's final resting place. Now could use wireless and my fancy aluminum case that's coming for it and it's done :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_can_you_spot_it.jpg
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[10:16] <brady2600> i have installed the arduino ide via sudo apt get ,but , im not exactly sure where i can find the programs folder so i may add my libraries so i can compile to my arduino from my raspberry pi. I know its a plain stupid linux question but.. where haz my files?
[10:18] <akiwiguy> /usr/share/arduino/libraries
[10:18] <akiwiguy> afaik
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[11:15] <jelly1> hi
[11:15] <brady2600> hi
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[11:20] <linuxstb> Anyone know if "Revision: 0002" in cpuinfo imply that there is only 256MB RAM?
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[11:21] * linuxstb remembers he can just look at the chip to see...
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[11:32] <linuxstb> Anyone understand the board revision history? This page http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory doesn't seem accurate - my new RS-supplied (Made in China) Pi is Revision 0002 with 512MB RAM.
[11:32] <blahee> my 512MB one is rev. 000e
[11:33] <blahee> the 256MB one is that 0002
[11:35] <linuxstb> My Farnell/Element14 512MB is rev. 0005.
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[11:38] <jelly1> did anyone here work with openmax?
[11:38] <jelly1> and gstreamer?
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[11:58] <jelly1> hmm so MJPG is cpu accelelrated
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[11:58] <jelly1> *gpu
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[11:59] <linuxstb> jelly1: I know the GPU does jpeg, not sure about mjpeg - is that simply a stream of standard jpeg images?
[11:59] <jelly1> motion mjpeg
[12:00] <jelly1> Dom adds: As an aside, the GPU can hardware decode H264, MPEG1/2/4, VC1, AVS, MJPG at 1080p30.
[12:00] <linuxstb> OK, then yes. I think we can trust any Dom says ;)
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[12:01] <jelly1> ok
[12:01] <jelly1> it uses 100 CPU now
[12:01] <jelly1> well have to research
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[12:02] <linuxstb> jelly1: What are you using for playback?
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[12:08] <Ben64> i don't think it does mpeg1 or 2
[12:09] <Ben64> ooh i've been away for a while
[12:09] <Ben64> can buy mpeg2 license
[12:09] <linuxstb> It does do mpeg-2, but you need the license key. I'm guessing that also does mpeg-1.
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[12:11] <Ben64> hmm, maybe i should buy a 2nd pi for the key then
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[12:24] <martk100> Is it possible to split the pi ram 128/128 on entry to xbmc and change the split back to 64/192 on exit of xbmc back to Debian?
[12:26] <linuxstb> markllama: As far as I know, it needs a reboot to change the split.
[12:27] <n1ko> the new firmware has dynamic memory control
[12:27] <n1ko> (not-yet-released but can be installed with rpi-update)
[12:27] <martk100> linuxstb: I could probably run an .elf file to split on entry. Would this need am reboot?
[12:28] <n1ko> martk100: why use .elf -files?
[12:28] <n1ko> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19334&start=150
[12:28] <n1ko> even if you want to do it by hand use config.txt
[12:28] <martk100> n1ko: What new firmware?
[12:28] <n1ko> check the link and the last few pages of the discussion
[12:29] <martk100> n1ko: Thanks I will read with interest.
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[12:33] <prehensile> hrm. more problems with apt-get mirrors :(
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[12:38] <Patagonicus> "As the developers of Raspbian don't yet have hardware, [???]" I think the Raspian FAQ needs an update.
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[12:42] <prehensile> can anyone point me in the direction of advice about how to make apt-get fetch from alternative mirrors? Or am I out of luck, since it's all divvied out by http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org ?
[12:42] <prehensile> (I suspect my local mirror is All Messed Up)
[12:43] <Patagonicus> prehensile: I think putting a specific mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list (or whatever it's called) should work. I don't have much experience with debian, though.
[12:43] <akiwiguy|away> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and give it a mirror u- yeah, that
[12:44] <prehensile> thanks Patagonicus, akiwiguy|away
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[12:51] <Jck_true> Just spend a good 30 minutes changing settings on my router - Whenever i changed stuff regarding DHCP it would hand me a new IP address and lock me out of the control panel for 10 minutes because of "dublicate login attempt"
[12:51] <Jck_true> Ohh what joy
[12:53] <scummos^> lol
[12:53] <scummos^> buggy firmware <3
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[13:02] <user82> hi. does anyone know where the "turbo" code(especially temp monitoring) is located? is that part of the linux kernel direclty or a program that is started on bootup
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[13:03] <user82> or is it even below linux in the stert.elffile?
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[13:06] <mgottschlag> user82: I think it is in start.elf, in the firmware
[13:06] <mgottschlag> it needs to be there because it has to set the "warranty voided" OTP bit
[13:07] <mgottschlag> (at least for force_turbo, but everything else then is at the same place)
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[13:12] <DarkTherapy> hey guys
[13:15] <DarkTherapy> my first forum project http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=25118&p=230174#p230174
[13:15] <DarkTherapy> :0)
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[13:30] <Kane> \o
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[13:34] <user82> thanks mgottschlag
[13:34] <user82> you seem like an exptert. are you one of the dev's or just a tech-fan?
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[13:35] <mgottschlag> no, I am just one of those who try to reverse-engineer the gpu :)
[13:36] <mgottschlag> so yes, just interested in the technology behind it ^^
[13:36] <user82> i see!
[13:39] <user82> mgottschlag, so right now the system needs to use a binary which is closed source to get gpu running?
[13:39] <user82> running at all or just running with 3d hardware acceleration?
[13:39] <mgottschlag> the complete boot process is handled by the gpu
[13:40] <user82> oh okay. has richard stallman not commented on that yet ^^
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[13:46] <Pure> Hm, is there perhaps an easy way to interface rs232 with gpio?
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[13:46] <mgottschlag> Pure: a rs232 level shifter ic connected to the uart
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[13:47] <mgottschlag> (the uart is 0-3.3V, but rs232 is -15/+15V I think)
[13:47] <markit> hi, I'm looking for Gertboard, but as far as I understand, Element14 does not sell it anymore, nor RS does... is the project dead? How can I buy it?
[13:48] <Pure> mgottschlag: how about if I wanted to connect it directly to the gpio?
[13:48] <mgottschlag> no, doesn't work, it would start to smell
[13:49] <mgottschlag> http://elinux.org/RS232_Level_Shifter
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[13:50] <cave> take a CP210x, or pl2303, or FTDI chip to connect USB-Bridge-LvTTL
[13:50] <cave> the modules are cheap as a coffee... 2,5$?
[13:50] <user82> cave, or cheapter than coffee: http://www.ebay.de/itm/USB-To-RS232-TTL-PL2303HX-Auto-Converter-Module-Converter-Adapter-5V-3-3V-Output-/350568364250?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519f80b8da
[13:51] <mgottschlag> wouldn't work if he wants to use an external rs232 device with his pi though
[13:51] <mgottschlag> (although I haven't seen such a device for years now)
[13:52] <user82> oh ttl..yes sorry
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[13:53] <user82> china has a solution for that too...around 2$ in ebay
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[13:57] <cave> i prefer the cp210x devices. they offer 5v, 3v3, GND. TxD RxD, Rst, with soldered pins, and all other RS232 Pins if needed are on board.
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[14:03] <martk100> How do I configure my wifi adapter in latest Wheezy dated 28/10/12?. The earlier config application has gone.
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[14:06] <user82> martk100, i had a tool in the distro called wpa_gui. (if you had gui in mind)
[14:07] <Pure> Oh, mgottschlag
[14:07] <Pure> Would that also handle turning bytes into serial?
[14:07] <martk100> user82: Where is it. It was in the earlier wheezy dated july 2012.
[14:08] <user82> martk100, seems to be in the package manager simply under wpagui
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[14:08] <Pure> On another note, how likely is it that my usb-serial thing could work?
[14:08] <user82> i still got it installed by default..maybe apt-get install wpagui because i can see it in the repositories?
[14:08] <martk100> user82: So I have to download it using apt-get?
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[14:09] <user82> maybe..you can try it.(sudo apt-get install wpagui in terminal)
[14:09] <user82> or try to run wpa_gui in terminal..maybe it already exists
[14:09] <martk100> user82: Ok thanks . plenty to try.
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[14:10] <Pure> And how easy would it be to open a serial link as a tty?
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[14:11] <mgottschlag> Pure: what do you mean by "turning bytes to serial"
[14:12] <mgottschlag> and what is your "usb-serial thing"? :D
[14:12] * Pure grins.
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[14:12] <Pure> I have a usb->serial cable already.
[14:12] <mgottschlag> and ttys can be set up in /etc/inittab very easily
[14:13] <mgottschlag> so, usb to rs232? then replacing that with usb to ttl might be easier than building a level shifter part to go between the rs232 connector and the rpi uartz
[14:13] <mgottschlag> -z
[14:13] <mgottschlag> you want to control your pi through the uart, right?+
[14:13] <Pure> Mhm
[14:14] <Pure> Oh, no. I was wanting to hook it up to a modem.
[14:14] <mgottschlag> and my fingers are far too large for this keyboard today
[14:16] <mgottschlag> huh, but then you could just plug the usb->rs232 adapter into the pi's usb port and attach the modem to that
[14:16] <Pure> Would it require much setup, though?
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[14:18] <mgottschlag> on the software-side there are no differences (just a different file in /dev)
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[14:35] <Pure> So once I've gotten the serial cable installed, how do I use it as a tty?
[14:36] <cave> use minicom or putty
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[14:39] <user82> does the rpi support ntfs devices?
[14:39] <user82> 8by default)
[14:39] <hnsr> might be simply a matter of installing something like ntfs3g
[14:39] <Pure> Possibly.
[14:39] <hnsr> depending on what distro you run
[14:39] <user82> raspbian
[14:40] <user82> will try that..
[14:40] <Tachyon`> NTFS support is already in raspbian afaik
[14:40] <Pure> What filesystems does rasbpian support then?
[14:40] <Tachyon`> cat /proc/filesystems
[14:40] <hnsr> `cat /proc/filesystems` should say
[14:41] <user82> okay thanks
[14:41] <hnsr> although, if you use ntfs3g, this goes via fuse and won't show up in that list
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[14:45] <user82> ntfs3g is not installed..but i just wanted to know if it offers support. installing it is quick then
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[14:49] <ParkerR_> ntfs-3g is what you want. That is the newer ntfs tools
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[14:52] <user82> surprise..it worked out of the box ;)
[14:52] <user82> but thank anyway
[14:53] <user82> kernel modules "fuse" and "ntfs" are loaded
[14:57] <ParkerR_> If you do dpkg -l | grep ntfs-3g you should see one line returned
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[15:06] <hnsr> user82, you should know that there are actually two ways in Linux to mount an NTFS volume, one is the ntfs driver in the kernel (that you can load as a module), and one is through ntfs3g, which you can think of as a filesystem 'plugin' for FUSE (fuse lets you implement filesystems outside of the kernel) - but afaik the in-kernel ntfs driver has only experimental write support and I think ntfs3g is probably what you should use
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[15:08] <user82> ntfs-3g was not installed hnsr and ParkerR_ . i will better do that and reboot before i mess up the ntfs system!
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[15:10] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[15:11] <ParkerR_> Weird
[15:11] <user82> i think it is the kernel module..but since i want to write to the system i will better use ntfs-3g
[15:11] <brady2600> can someone remind me, of the path to the folder that contains the programs?
[15:12] <user82> brady2600, the folder that contains the programs? do you just mean the binaries?
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[15:13] <ParkerR_> /usr/bin
[15:13] <user82> i do not know if that was legal or just a lucky mistake...
[15:13] <user82> root@raspberrypi:~/HandBrake-0.9.8/build# cat $PATH
[15:13] <user82> cat: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin: No such file or directory
[15:13] <user82> does it work to "cat" a enviroment variable that way?
[15:13] <ParkerR_> Apparently :P
[15:14] <user82> lucky try ^^
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[15:14] <ParkerR_> Or echo $PATH would work
[15:14] <user82> ture..that is what i had forgotten
[15:14] <user82> *true
[15:17] <user82> trying to encode a video for my mobile phone with arista on the raspberry pi..this might end up in 0.1fps and swap overload ^^
[15:21] <brady2600> user82: im looking for the folder that would contain the arduino ide folder, so i may install libraries in its sub folders
[15:21] <markit> sorry for instisting, I'm looking for Gertboard, where can I buy it?
[15:21] <user82> brady if you do "dpkg -L arduino" you get all content that the arduino package contains
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[15:21] <user82> * brady2600
[15:22] <user82> maybe you find what you need?
[15:23] <user82> i would say /usr/share/arduino is the right thing brady2600
[15:23] <user82> keep in mind that you need to be root (sudo) to copy files to that location
[15:23] <user82> and yes it is the right path..i checked it on my raspberry
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[15:30] <brady2600> ok so .. i navigate to /user/share/arduino.. and i find the libraries folder, however when drag a folder into the libraries, i get permisison denied
[15:31] <brady2600> i tried changing the permissions on the folder, and that was denied too.
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[15:32] <user82> yes brady2600 that is because the folder "belongs" to the root
[15:32] <user82> for example you can start a file manager as root. open a terminal and start "sudo pcmanfm"
[15:33] <user82> then you can drag and drop it over..(using the freshly started file manager window only)
[15:33] <user82> it is kind of strange for common windows users because they usually have all access rights as administrator but it prevents viruses or simply other users of the same computer from messing things up.
[15:34] <brady2600> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } xtightvncviewer
[15:34] <brady2600> woops
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[15:34] <user82> skype?
[15:34] <user82> ^^
[15:35] <brady2600> i ran sudo pcmanfm and got : Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCannot open display
[15:36] <user82> ups...so nothing happened
[15:36] <user82> that is general (non arduino specific) stuff. so maybe someone else can help?
[15:37] <user82> (not that you can always use the command line for copying the files. for example if you have the folder "plugin" on the desktop and its content needs to go to arduino/plugin you can do "sudo cp /home/pi/Desktop/plugin /usr/share/arduino"
[15:38] <user82> but it is not as pretty as a normal file manager with a graphical itnerface
[15:40] <user82> sorry i think you need to use "sudo cp -R ....." instead of "sudo cp ....."
[15:40] <user82> with the -R
[15:42] <Datalink> I've been idle with my pi for 2 months, did I miss anything big?
[15:42] <x29a> theres a 512mb model
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[15:43] <Datalink> I went idle after it came out :P
[15:43] * Datalink runs the updates
[15:44] <rymate1234> Datalink, minecraft is coming to the Pi
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[15:45] <Datalink> rymate1234, I saw, Mojang's making a varient just for the Pi :D
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[15:47] <Pure> ...how?
[15:47] <rymate1234> ypu
[15:47] <rymate1234> *yup
[15:47] <rymate1234> based off pocket edition Pure
[15:47] <Pure> Pi's not got enough memory. :P
[15:47] <Pure> Ah.
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[15:47] <Pure> So it'd be a bit more like the xbla edition?
[15:47] <rymate1234> also the pi has plenty of memory - I've ran minecraft with 128Mb of ram allocated to it
[15:48] <Pure> ...wow
[15:48] <rymate1234> No mods ofc
[15:48] <Pure> I always thought 1GB was the recommended minimum
[15:48] <rymate1234> Pure, its recommended
[15:49] <Pure> Hm, so tempted to run a bbs on my pi
[15:49] * Pure is boooooored
[15:50] <rymate1234> I run a minecraft server on my Pi
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[15:50] <rymate1234> :P
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[15:52] <Pure> I can't remember, is synchronet considered 'good'?
[15:52] <xro> Hi, i'm trying to overclock my rpi... i set "arm_freq=1000
[15:52] <xro> core_freq=500
[15:52] <xro> sdram_freq=500
[15:52] <xro> over_voltage=6"
[15:52] <xro> /flash/config.txt and reboot... Then a cat /proc/cpuinfo show me that my cpu is aleways 700M
[15:52] <xro> why?
[15:53] <Datalink> is /flash/ your boot partition?
[15:54] <xro> yes
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[15:54] <xro> this is the case.... /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /flash type vfat (ro,noatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro)
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[15:55] <Datalink> okay, did you power cycle (not just a soft reboot) since you made the changes?
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[15:56] <Datalink> been over a month since I've walked folks thorugh this stuff, I can't even begin to say how out of practice I suddenly feel
[15:56] <xro> i only did a softreboot... i'll try to power cycle it now...
[15:59] <user82> by the way i got a chinese "bakup battery pack". it has one 1Amp outlet and works as buffer with every normal 500mA usb...very nice
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[15:59] <steve_rox2> sounds fun
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[16:00] <wiiguy> user82 tell me the model of the battery pack :)
[16:00] <steve_rox> i was allso wondering that
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[16:00] <user82> yes one second wiiguy
[16:00] <xro> Datalink, style the same with a power off/on.... Is there something to do (i only uncomment and change the values in the config.txt)
[16:01] <user82> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5000mAh-External-Battery-Charger-Power-Bank-2-USB-for-iPad-iPhone-4-4S-MID-HTC-/190715118059?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2c6781c1eb
[16:01] <user82> this one
[16:01] <wiiguy> lets see
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[16:01] <wiiguy> looks good
[16:02] <user82> i have the battery pack plugged to my router (with which raspberry often crashed due to 500ma) and the raspberry plugged to the 1A output of it
[16:02] <user82> i do honestly not know if the lithium batteries like the procedure...
[16:02] <wiiguy> so it shoudl power the rpi for 10 hours if teh abtery ful charged ?
[16:02] <user82> (but it works)
[16:02] <user82> theoretically...but 5000mah is quite "optimistic"
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[16:02] <wiiguy> ya shoudl test it
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[16:04] <user82> i opened it once there is a big battery pack in there. 5000mah might be true at the beginning but that is for the internal lithium battery which gets then transformed upwards from 3.7V to the 5V usb where already lots of the power gets "lost"
[16:04] <wiiguy> i see
[16:04] <user82> to complete it..china: http://www.ebay.de/itm/5000mAh-Portable-Power-Supply-Battery-Charger-Dual-USB-for-iPad-iPhone-Samsung-/200812391712?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item2ec159ed20
[16:04] <Datalink> xro, as in you've unplugged and replugged it? this is honestly a tad confusing to me because I'm used to /boot/ being the location folks mount their vfat filesystem... are the settings the only entries for those values, arm_freq only appearing on 1 line, for example?
[16:06] <linuxstb> /flash is what openelec uses instead of /boot
[16:06] <steve_rox> so how many hours does the 5000mAh battery get you ? if your not trying to compile the universe?
[16:06] <wiiguy> well my rpi runs fine on 500mA
[16:07] <wiiguy> so it shoudl get you 10 hours
[16:07] <user82> i did not yet compile the universe that is still WIP. but i could charge my 2000mah phone completely ;)
[16:07] <steve_rox> what about display power demands?
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[16:07] <wiiguy> steve_rox i can just run 1080p on 500mA
[16:07] <xro> linuxstb, yes.... that is the /boot for openelec... And do you know how to overclock it?
[16:08] <steve_rox> i have a small car reverseing lcd of 3.5 inch addapted to usb power in
[16:08] <steve_rox> cant rember what its power demand was now
[16:08] <wiiguy> get a wattage meter :p
[16:08] <steve_rox> amp meter
[16:08] <steve_rox> then i gotta get it inline with a usb cable :-P
[16:08] <linuxstb> xro: I would assume the same way as any other pi - by editing the config.txt file. Are you sure your changes are being saved there - that partition is normally read-only.
[16:08] <Datalink> linuxstb, ah, that's what I was mising...
[16:09] <user82> building ffmpeg on the raspberry pi..that might take a while
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[16:09] <xro> linuxstb, i remount it as rw and yes i just did a more
[16:09] <user82> but i can unplug it and take it with me on my 1 hours trip if it does not get ready...good stuff
[16:09] <steve_rox> i almost managed to get the lcd running entirely off a lcd , but being in the uk you rarely see sun
[16:09] <linuxstb> xro: Then I don't know. You could try asking in #openelec
[16:10] <steve_rox> solar*
[16:10] <xro> linuxstb, i just did it
[16:10] <steve_rox> 12v solar pannel
[16:11] <wiiguy> nice
[16:11] <steve_rox> but theres no sun in the uk so i cant really test it
[16:12] <wiiguy> then why did ya try it ? :p
[16:12] <Datalink> steve_rox, bright light near you?
[16:12] <steve_rox> for when it becomes summer again
[16:13] <wiiguy> i wonder if it were summer, how logn would it take to charge a 5000mA batery pack :p
[16:14] <wiiguy> btw user82 the 2 links ya gave, were they both the same product ?
[16:14] <xro> linuxstb, i got an answer.... /proc/cpu does not show the right info.... vcgencmd did
[16:14] <steve_rox> well when mega sunny the cell output something like 15-20v
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[16:15] <frikinz> xro: so does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*
[16:16] <frikinz> or use cpufrequtils package which has cpufreq-info and cpufreq-set
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[16:16] <xro> yes... it works,,,
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[16:17] <user82> wiiguy, you never know. but i think yes
[16:17] <user82> i intended to find the same product twice (usa and china)
[16:17] <frikinz> the scaling governor is fixed to ondemand so it only goes to 1Ghz when the cpu is heavily used. by using turbo_mode or installing cpufrequtils and setting the governor to performance, it will stay at 1Ghz
[16:18] <wiiguy> i see, ty user82 :)
[16:18] <wiiguy> might will buy teh china one :p
[16:18] <wiiguy> -will
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[16:21] <steve_rox> does china ones mean kaboom and fire potential ? ;-)
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[16:22] <opieng> Hi all, I am having problem viewing images on the pi. It only seems to load about 5% of the image and then stops. The images are quite large
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[16:22] <steve_rox> low memory?
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[16:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, good ol' 56k modem days
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[16:23] <frikinz> yes :)
[16:23] <Datalink> opieng, what's your memory split?
[16:23] <opieng> ummm, sorry not sure how can I check this?
[16:24] <Datalink> cat /boot/config.txt, blast stupid update... could someone get him the config line for the memory split please?
[16:25] <Patagonicus> gpu_mem, if I'm not mistaken.
[16:25] <Datalink> I thought they switched the number to CPU...?
[16:28] <Patagonicus> My Gentoo is using gpu_mem=16 and has 486MB RAM, which does add up if you take stuff like the kernel and probably "BIOS" using up a bit. It is definitly not using the default of 64MB for the GPU.
[16:28] <Datalink> there is no BIOS... the firmwares are loaded into a different part of memory I thin
[16:29] <Datalink> think*
[16:29] <opieng> I have just been reading about RAM allocation causing this problem for others
[16:29] <Patagonicus> Well, yeah, no BIOS, hence the quotes, but I think there is some stuff the firmware needs to tell the kernel and therefor has to put into the RAM.
[16:30] <opieng> I wonder if any image viewers for the pi would help with this but I havent found anything yet
[16:30] <Patagonicus> I think GIMP automatically uses the disk as a cache, but as an image viewer for the Pi it would be overkill.
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[16:31] <user82> steve_rox, i think it is _exactly_ the same one
[16:31] <user82> even china uses charge controllers for lithium batteries ;9
[16:32] <opieng> Anyone had any successes with Raspbian + XBMC using this http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[16:33] <wiiguy> <steve_rox> does china ones mean kaboom and fire potential ? ;-) > well i order most china stuff from DX > nothign ever did kaboom :p
[16:33] <opieng> Maybe this might help with image viewing
[16:33] <steve_rox> that is good then
[16:34] <steve_rox> id still remaing supitious of it tho :-P
[16:34] <wiiguy> never did order anything of ebay ebfore though :p
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[16:35] <steve_rox> lot of dangerious fake / bad tech on there
[16:39] <wiiguy> i see
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[16:40] <opieng> I am still confused why images can not viewed on the pi, even my 8 year old nokia can view the photo? No disrespect, I just want to get better at making the most of the pi
[16:41] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: what are you using to view the images?
[16:41] <scummos^> if you can't view images on the pi, then you're doing something wrong
[16:41] <opieng> The standard image viewer that comes with Raspbian
[16:41] <opieng> scummos^, completely possible and likely
[16:42] <iserlohn> anybody with a modmypi case know which screws and bolts are needed? my case didn't come with them...
[16:42] <scummos^> opieng: which viewer is that? which format does the image have? what does "cannot view" mean?
[16:42] <scummos^> i.e. what happens when you open the image
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> iserlohn: my case didn't need any screws or bolts O_o
[16:42] <ShiftPlusOne> scummos^: it loads 15% of the image then stops.
[16:42] <opieng> scummos^, It only seems to load about 5% of the image and then stops.
[16:43] <scummos^> ok, first try another viewer
[16:43] <opieng> yes like ShiftPlusOne says 5%-15%, either way on the top part loads up. I will check on what the image viewer is exactly
[16:43] <scummos^> try "display"
[16:44] <scummos^> i.e. go to a terminal and type "display <file>2
[16:44] <scummos^> s/2/"/g
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[16:44] <opieng> ok I will try that, brb my Pi is downstairs
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[16:45] <alexkane> Is it possible to redirect STDOUT from my ssh session to the HDMI output on the raspberry pi?
[16:45] <Pure> Would most usb-serial cables be driveless of some form?
[16:45] <ShiftPlusOne> alexkane: I'd use screen.
[16:45] <Pure> alexkane: man screen <3
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[16:46] <scummos^> alexkane: yep, use screen
[16:46] <alexkane> I usually use screen to run background processes
[16:46] <Pure> Fun fact, screen isn't installed on raspbian
[16:46] <alexkane> looking at screen docs...
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> heresy
[16:47] <Pure> Well, it's not installed by default
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> It should be the only thing installed >=/
[16:47] <alexkane> oh start a screen session on the terminal then take over that screen session from the ssh terminal
[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> alexkane: or the other ways around, whatever works for you.
[16:48] <scummos^> oh yes, distributions which don't ship standard tools ...
[16:48] <scummos^> like vim
[16:48] <scummos^> or screen
[16:48] <alexkane> interesting idea
[16:48] <tsn> scummos^: vim?
[16:48] <Pure> some don't come with make...
[16:49] <iserlohn> ShiftPlusOne: Yes, it fits fine, but it wiggles aroudn a bit. If you bought it from the website, it says the screws are included to mount the board to the case...
[16:49] <scummos^> tsn: yeah, vim?
[16:49] <ShiftPlusOne> iserlohn: not sure then. When I ordered mine pi didn't have mounting holes, so I didn't know modmypi modified their cases.
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[16:49] <iserlohn> ShiftPlusOne: My case was included in a package from a reseller though and didn't have the screws
[16:50] <Pure> Text editor
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[16:50] <Pure> I'd say make your default shell screen bash
[16:50] <ShiftPlusOne> iserlohn: wouldn't it be trivial to figure out which screws you need though?
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[16:51] <mgottschlag> "<Pure> Would most usb-serial cables be driveless of some form?" - driveless?
[16:51] <Pure> Ahem, plug'n'play?
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> They'll need a driver, but on most distros it's all built in.
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> On windows, you'll need to download a driver and libusb I think.
[16:52] <Pure> The product page says only supports windows, bluh
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[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Link?
[16:53] <ShiftPlusOne> that sounds silly
[16:53] <Pure> http://www.maplin.co.uk/usb-to-serial-9-pin-male-adaptor-29968
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> The internet has decided not to let me load that page today.
[16:54] <Pure> Heh
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[16:54] <Pure> All I want is to use rs232 >_>
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[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't want rs232
[16:55] <mgottschlag> ShiftPlusOne: yes, he probably does
[16:55] <user82> i have the cheapest chinese(waht else) usb rs232 cable for <2$. works with linux
[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne> rs232 is a higher voltage protocol... the one the serial ports on the back of PCs use.
[16:55] <user82> actually going cheap is not a bad thing..cheap is massware and that is likely to be supported by linux ^^
[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne> If he's using the usb-serial adapter, I don't see where rs232 comes in O_o
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Or am I being pedantic/incorrect?
[16:57] <Pure> You are
[16:57] <mgottschlag> ShiftPlusOne: he wants to interface an rs232 modem
[16:57] <mgottschlag> so the usb end is plugged into the pi
[16:57] <Pure> Probably both :)
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[16:57] <Pure> GSM modem, but i doubt that matters any
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, got it, sorry the page wouldn't load so I assumed he was just doing the typical pc to pi serial connection
[16:58] <iserlohn> ShiftPlusOne: It's a 5mm nut but not sure where to buy that and the screw...
[16:58] <Pure> Nah, got ethernet for that :P
[16:58] <mgottschlag> Pure: what's its USB vendor/device id pair?
[16:59] <Pure> I haven't got the cable on me right now :/
[16:59] <ShiftPlusOne> iserlohn: ye olde hardware shop should have pretty much every flavour. I'd go with the case and see what fits.
[16:59] <user82> this one says "linux" in the description http://www.ebay.de/itm/USB-2-0-TO-RS232-SERIAL-DB9-9-PIN-ADAPTER-CABLE-GPS-PDA-/190504893536?pt=UK_Computing_Parallel_Serial_PS_2&hash=item2c5af9fc60
[16:59] <Pure> I don't get why they can't just give techspecs on the page
[17:00] <Datalink> oh it is gpu_mem mybad
[17:00] <Pure> Heh, in german, with prices in gbp.
[17:00] <user82> sorry i searched on ebay.de ...
[17:00] <user82> yeah
[17:01] <iserlohn> ShiftPlusOne: Usually they don't carry sizes that small.. Just googled it and revealed www.modelfixings.co.uk
[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/
[17:02] <ryao> Does Linus' tree support the Raspberry Pi?
[17:02] <Pure> I would've thought something as simple as a usb-rs232 would be quite generic
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[17:03] <_mru_> Pure: most usb-r232 adapters use either a pl2303 or an ftdi chip
[17:03] <_mru_> both are well-supported by linux
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[17:03] <ryao> Pure: You have three options for that. A ftdi chip. A prolific chip. Or a chinese knock off of the prolific chip that doesn't work well.
[17:03] <Pure> Ha
[17:03] <ryao> _mru_: You missed the third version.
[17:04] <ryao> Pure: It is hard to tell the geniue prolific chips from the knockoff ones.
[17:04] <_mru_> the price might be an indication
[17:04] <ryao> s/geniue/genuine/
[17:04] <Pure> Either way, shouldn't be too hard to get to work?
[17:04] <_mru_> if it costs less then $3 it's probably crap
[17:04] <_mru_> *than
[17:04] <ryao> _mru_: They are both cheap. :/
[17:05] <ryao> Anyway, you should get a ftdi chip if you want quality.
[17:05] <ryao> By the way, does Linus' tree support the Raspberry Pi?
[17:05] <Pure> Whut?
[17:05] <ryao> Linus' Linux kernel tree.
[17:05] <_mru_> ftdi or pl2303 doesn't really matter if it's genuine and built properly
[17:06] <_mru_> I've seen gadgets using both misbehave in various ways
[17:06] <ryao> _mru_: Have fun finding a genuine pl2303.
[17:06] <_mru_> the ones on my desk work flawlessly
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[17:06] <_mru_> genuine or not, they do what they're supposed to
[17:07] <_mru_> most importantly, they don't reset the usb end when the thing connected to the rs232 end power cycles
[17:07] <_mru_> I've seen that happen _a lot_ with ftdi-based devices
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[17:09] <ryao> Does anyone know the answer to my kernel question?
[17:09] <bortzmeyer> Probem upgrading ArchLinux on my Pi:
[17:09] <ryao> Does anyone here compile their own kernels?
[17:09] <bortzmeyer> (1/2) upgrading raspberrypi-firmware [#############################] 100%
[17:09] <bortzmeyer> /tmp/alpm_sbyOLz/.INSTALL: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `}'
[17:09] <bortzmeyer> /tmp/alpm_sbyOLz/.INSTALL: line 3: `}'
[17:09] <bortzmeyer> error: command failed to execute correctly
[17:09] <_mru_> ryao: I assume linus does
[17:09] <bortzmeyer> Looks like a bad error :-(
[17:09] <ryao> _mru_: Does he even own a Raspberry Pi?
[17:09] <bortzmeyer> _mru_: ryao: Linus has a Pi ?
[17:10] <_mru_> bortzmeyer: not that I know of, but he probably knows what goes into his tree
[17:10] <_mru_> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-bcm2835/bcm2835.c
[17:10] <mgottschlag> ryao: I think I read somewhere that 3.7 is supposed to have patches for the pi integrated into the mainline tree
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[17:18] <ryao> _mru_: Thanks.
[17:18] <ryao> It looks like this might have made it into 3.6.
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[17:26] <opieng> Any know how this can be done from a windows 7 PC http://michael.gorven.za.net/content/xbmc-raspberry-pi
[17:27] <ShiftPlusOne> "cp xbmc-20121029-1.img /dev/sdb" you can do that without dd? O_o
[17:27] <rymate1234> No
[17:28] <rymate1234> lol
[17:28] <rymate1234> afaik you can't
[17:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Then what the hell is that guy doing writing tutorials?
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[17:29] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: Do you want to install a premade raspbian image with xbmc on it or do you want to install xbmc yourself?
[17:31] <_mru_> that might actually work
[17:31] <Patagonicus> You can always use cat. Or pv, which I prefer because it has a nice progress bar.
[17:32] <ShiftPlusOne> certainly not the cromulent way to do it, even if it works somehow.
[17:32] <_mru_> if cp simply writes over the file rather than replace it
[17:32] <opieng> ShiftPlusOne, I don't mind which ever is easy and works please
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[17:33] <Patagonicus> I think it does, at least without -a
[17:33] <ryao> Has anyone tried doing `sudo apt-get update` with the latest Raspbian image? I keep getting an error.
[17:33] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: then I think this is the way to go for you, http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/windows-installation/
[17:34] <_mru_> the spec says cp should write to an existing file
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[17:34] <opieng> ShiftPlusOne, think is I really would like to still have the option of switching to Raspbian without having to change sd cards
[17:35] <Jeanseb> Hey, anyone know how I could get the ip adress of my raspberrypi if i have no screen?
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[17:35] <scummos^> Jeanseb: nmap
[17:35] <ShiftPlusOne> Any raspbmc users here? You can just launch X or go to a terminal quite simply and relaunch xbmc when you need it, right?
[17:36] <scummos^> Jeanseb: or whatever your subnet addresses look like
[17:36] <Jeanseb> I don't have the nmap command...
[17:36] <scummos^> install it
[17:36] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: raspbmc is built on top of raspbian, so that's why I recommended that one. I think you have just close xbmc and use raspbian like you normally would. I personally don't use raspbmc so I can't say that will complete certainty.
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[17:38] <ShiftPlusOne> *can (not have)
[17:38] <Patagonicus> Jeanseb: Other than that, your router may provide a page that lists assigned DHCP addresses.
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> *will (not with). Wth, brain?
[17:39] <ShiftPlusOne> other way around even
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[17:43] <opieng> ShiftPlusOne, ahh ok that would be fantastic!
[17:44] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: if that doesn't work out for you, you can install xbmc in raspbian yourself and there are steps for that listed on the raspbian website.
[17:44] <opieng> ShiftPlusOne, you mean these ones http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC?
[17:45] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
[17:45] <opieng> am I right in saying that most of that needs to be typed up manually?
[17:46] <ShiftPlusOne> you can copy/paste things
[17:46] <opieng> thats true :)
[17:46] <ShiftPlusOne> are you familiar with ssh and putty?
[17:46] <opieng> no :( sorry
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[17:46] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, well download putty, it's your new best friend.
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[17:48] <opieng> sudo apt-get install putty? I am new to linux
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, nuh you install putty on windows
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> then you can access your pi straight from your pc
[17:49] <Patagonicus> opieng: SSH lets you use a command line on a Linux PC over the network, like telnet, but encrypted. PuTTY is a Windows client for SSH.
[17:51] <opieng> ahhh brill, this would help me a lot as my PC and pi are in two different places in the house
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[17:53] <biberao> hi
[17:54] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: something to note though, copy/paste works a bit strange in putty. When you select something in putty, it's copied. To paste, you just right click.
[17:55] <oldtopman> ShiftPlusOne: That's how it works on the commandline with GPM
[17:55] <opieng> oh ok thanks for the tip ShiftPlusOne
[17:56] <ShiftPlusOne> oldtopman: isn't it middle click?
[17:56] <oldtopman> ShiftPlusOne: Nope, exactly how you described it.
[17:56] <oldtopman> At least it's that way on my slackware setup.
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[17:58] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm... yup, just checked
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> it's either, middle or right
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[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> always just used middle, since it's how it works with X as well
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[18:10] <opieng> is this a good set of instructions for setting up putty http://elinux.org/RPi_Remote_Access?
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[18:12] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: just enter the pi's IP into the IP box and click connect.
[18:13] <Cykey> Do I need to use a powered USB hub with this? http://www.edimax.co.uk/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=328&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44 Or can I just plug it directly into the raspberry pi?
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[18:16] <ShiftPlusOne> Cykey: unless someone here is using that exact dongle, I think it's a 'try and see' sort of thing.
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[18:34] <TAFB> oh man, loving this Pi :) Got VNC set up, network working sweet. I'm going to pick up this wireless adapter for it shortly: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=050682
[18:35] <TAFB> if that works flawless, then my Pi is complete. Just gotta setup Pancake, PHP and Citadel and she's ready to be a server :)
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[18:36] <DarkTherapy> evening all
[18:36] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning, sir.
[18:36] <TAFB> afternoon to ya
[18:37] <ryao> Hello.
[18:37] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[18:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I see you might be featured on the front page there. Nicely done
[18:37] <TAFB> :)
[18:37] <DarkTherapy> yeah, I wasn't expecting that
[18:38] <ShiftPlusOne> Hey, hey... you're opening a garage door. That's not something you see every day. No need to be humble. =P
[18:38] <DarkTherapy> cheers
[18:39] <Jeanseb> I hate the Wi-Pi, it's giving me so much trouble. I think I might buy a new adapter soon to replace it.
[18:39] <TAFB> Jean: I'm heading out to buy this wireless adapter shortly: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=050682
[18:39] <TAFB> I sure hope it works flawless and stable.
[18:40] <Jeanseb> Yeah saw that too, I hope so too. Do you know what the chipset's based on?
[18:40] <TAFB> Nope, but it's on the "official" compatibility list :(
[18:40] <DarkTherapy> I use the edimax nano one, its perfect
[18:40] <Jeanseb> Ah then I hope it will work! Probably Realtek
[18:40] <DarkTherapy> out of the box
[18:41] <TAFB> nice Dark. This one is at a store that's a 2 min drive from my house, and $10, I'ma try it :)
[18:41] <DarkTherapy> :0)
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[18:41] <Jeanseb> I bought the Wi-Pi "Official Accessory for RaspberryPi", turns out it is based on the RT2870 (Ralink), which is one of the most troublesome chipsets for the RaspberryPi. Damn you false advertising!
[18:42] <TAFB> hey Dark, pic of my Pi when I got it: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[18:42] <Jeanseb> Thats a sweet macro shot you got there! :P
[18:42] <DarkTherapy> and how does it look now? lol
[18:42] <TAFB> My Pi over VNC :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_VNC_desktop.png
[18:43] <TAFB> Jean, not really Macro, Canon T2i with hacked Magic Lantern firmware, using the STOCK 18-55mm lens! lol.
[18:43] <Jeanseb> cool!
[18:43] <TAFB> My Pi as it sits right now Dark: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_can_you_spot_it.jpg
[18:44] <DarkTherapy> haha
[18:44] <Jeanseb> Left under the tv xD
[18:44] <TAFB> it's going wireless, and I have this cooling case coming for it: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/110959219089
[18:44] * ShiftPlusOne cringes at 'cooling case'
[18:44] <TAFB> at the price? cause the unit is awesome.
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[18:45] <DarkTherapy> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/27jed370frl7etu/ThytDsWirq
[18:45] <TAFB> it physically cools the hotest Pi components: http://piholder.com/Raspberry_Pi_Case/Raspberry_pi_case_assembley_02.jpg
[18:45] <DarkTherapy> mine was attached to a monitor
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> no, the case is great, don't get me wrong. Certainly caught my eye when I first saw it.
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[18:45] <TAFB> wow, nice work Dark. Love the monster USB hob. What power supply you running it on?
[18:45] <ShiftPlusOne> The cooling aspect is a bit gimmicky though.
[18:45] <ryao> Wow. THat looks nice.
[18:46] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Why?
[18:46] <DarkTherapy> just one that came with the hub
[18:46] <ryao> This is great for people that overclock.
[18:46] <TAFB> pfft. Dark. You need POWER! http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/01/19/new-product-5v-10a-switching-power-supply/
[18:46] <ShiftPlusOne> I should probably start letting the cooling nonsense go, heh.
[18:47] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: lol
[18:47] <TAFB> lol Shift. Yeah, especially if Element14 is shipping Pi's with heatsinks! You'd think they need a lil cooling :)
[18:47] <DarkTherapy> lol, mines in the garage now with only 1 function, doesn't even need the USB hub
[18:47] <TAFB> oh, thought you were running monster accessories. Ulrta high power 1 watt USB wireless adapter to steal your neighbours wireless internet from 20km away, 2.5" external USB powered hdd, etc.
[18:48] <DarkTherapy> bridged the pi's polygfuses so the wifi gets all the power it needs
[18:48] <TAFB> nice.
[18:48] <blahee> doh! 50W PSU for rpi :) I m ust be stupid as i run both of my raspberries from PC USB-port. Back of my desktop
[18:48] <ryao> Hmm... I compiled a kernel for the Raspberry Pi and replaced the stock Raspbian one with it. Now it will not boot. -_-
[18:48] <Jeanseb> Sadly my wifi is running out of power, so I need to buy either a new adapter or a usb hub, probably both
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[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll repeat it again though. There is no thermal coupling with he PoP chips. You'll maybe cool the cpu by 1 degree if you're lucky. The ethernet chip is meant to run hot, they all do. The main chip is designed for phones,routers and other embedded devices which don't have heatsinks or fans anyway. Unless you're getting close to 80 degrees C, you don't need to worry about cooling. In short, you don't need it and if you did, it wouldn't
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> work anyway.
[18:49] <TAFB> Jean. I'm using this power adapter on one Pi, with a nice thick Micro USB cable, works sweet: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_692_936&item_id=053938
[18:49] <TAFB> It's 2 amps :)
[18:50] * zleap found a 386 with a heatsink once
[18:50] <rymate1234> anyone recommend a lightweight blog software for the Pi?
[18:50] <rymate1234> prefeable one I can run over Nginx
[18:50] <ShiftPlusOne> html =p
[18:51] <ryao> Does the 512MB Raspberry Pi require any special instructions for building its kernel?
[18:51] <zleap> rymate1234, wordpress, there seems to be at least 1 project for that using a pi
[18:51] <Jeanseb> So you just plug the Pi in the iPad plug?
[18:51] <blahee> ryao: no
[18:51] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao: nope, just need to make sure your firmware is up to date.
[18:51] <TAFB> The ipad charger is just USB Jean. I use a "blackberry" cable to connect the Pi to it.
[18:52] <Jeanseb> I know that
[18:52] <TAFB> sorry Jean, didn't understand your question
[18:52] <rymate1234> I'll look into wordpress and nginx
[18:52] <Jeanseb> It's ok it confirmed what I tought xD
[18:52] <Jeanseb> http://www.newark.com/mcm/mws5-0501000uc-m/ac-dc-conv-external-plug-in-1a/dp/27W9241
[18:52] <Jeanseb> thats what i use
[18:53] <rymate1234> I think after christmas, I'll buy myself a 512MB rpi
[18:53] <TAFB> not bad, 1 amp ;)
[18:53] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: What firmware in particular? this is the latest Raspbian image.
[18:53] <Jeanseb> I meant to say "Should I power the Pi with that plug or the usb hub?"
[18:53] <Jeanseb> (power the usb hub or power the pi xD)
[18:54] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao: are you not seeing the extra RAM?
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[18:55] <TAFB> Jean, power both? :) If you power the hub, you can back power the Pi and just lose one USB port. Don't use Micro USB at all.
[18:56] <rymate1234> I power the pi via my powered USB hub
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[18:56] <TAFB> Works :)
[18:56] <DarkTherapy> I've done that too
[18:56] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB: if I am understanding what you're suggesting right, that's a no no. Are you saying you power your pi without having anything plugged into the proper power input jack
[18:56] <Jeanseb> sadly, my usb hub is a free one i got xD http://www.accessorygeeks.com/4-usb-hub-ports-led-light-mini-usb-cable-silver-robot.html
[18:57] <Jeanseb> It's kind of cheap, and missing the extra power xD
[18:57] <TAFB> yep. Tons of people back power the Pi through the main USB ports. I also power one through the I/O pins. Both work awesome.
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[18:59] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: I found the problem.
[18:59] <TAFB> I get 5.12v TP2 to TP1. LOTS OF POWA!
[18:59] <ShiftPlusOne> If it works, it works, but it's not designed to work that way and hubs shouldn't do that. IIRC the way the 3.3v regulator is connected makes it a bad idea.
[18:59] <ryao> It claims that there is an undefined instruction.
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[18:59] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: Why do you ask about the RAM?
[19:00] <ryao> chithead: ping
[19:00] <chithead> ryao: pong
[19:00] <ryao> I tried building a kernel based on the Raspbian .config and the Gentoo wiki instructions. I am getting an error about an undefined instruction at boot.
[19:01] <ryao> Do you have any thoughts about what might be wrong?
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao: I thought your firmware thought it's a 256m model, so you were asking for that reason. Was just going to say that if your pi sees all the ram that it should, your firmware is fine.
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao: did you enable VFP?
[19:01] <ryao> ShiftPlusOne: That is enabled in the .config.
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> just making sure.
[19:01] <ryao> Here it is: http://bpaste.net/show/63222/
[19:01] <chithead> ryao: undefined instruction? never seen that
[19:02] <ryao> I made a change to enable booting off reiserfs. I reverted most of my changes (except for that) after the first time it failed to boot.
[19:02] <chithead> did you cross compile or natively compile the kernel?
[19:02] <ryao> chithead: I used crossdev.
[19:02] <chithead> which chost?
[19:02] <ryao> armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[19:03] <ryao> chithead: What do you mean by CHOST? In this case, I think CTARGET is what is important, although I cheated by using `env ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/bin/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi- make`
[19:03] <chithead> that worked fine here. are you sure that the "undefined instruction" message comes from the kernel?
[19:03] <ryao> chithead: Positive. It is in dmesg and says kernel bug.
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[19:04] <ryao> kernel bug at mm/slab.c:2878
[19:04] <ryao> That is from memory... I am running back and forth from the living room.
[19:04] <chithead> and you started with bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig?
[19:05] <ryao> chithead: I used the Raspbian .config.
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[19:05] <ryao> Do you think that bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig will make a difference?
[19:06] <chithead> it's what I used, and it worked here. I didn't try .config from other distro
[19:06] <ryao> The issue appears to be the following: BUG_ON(flags & GFP_SLAB_BUG_MASK);
[19:07] <ryao> That is evaluating to true.
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[19:08] <ryao> I don't know why it is complaining about an invalid instruction.
[19:08] <ryao> I also have no clue why it is tripping GFP_SLAB_BUG_MASK.
[19:08] <ryao> chithead: When did you do your last checkout?
[19:09] <ryao> More specifically, could you give me the git hash?
[19:09] <Jeanseb> What USB HUB should I get that can get power by plugging it in the wall?
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[19:10] <ryao> chithead: By the way, do you find bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig to be fully featured enough for the basics? I used the Raspbian .config because I didn't feel like going through menuconfig to find what I wanted.
[19:10] <TAFB> Jean, you ask tricky questions.
[19:10] <ryao> chithead: Also, what GCC version did you use?
[19:10] <satellit> Jeanseb: Belkin F4U020 works for me
[19:11] <satellit> Dell USB keyboard and mouse
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[19:12] <chithead> ryao: I enabled a couple of things which udev complained about (scsi generic v2) and disabled CONFIG_EXPERT
[19:12] <chithead> gcc-4.6
[19:13] <ryao> chithead: Did you file bugs about those complaints?
[19:13] <chithead> it is intentionally a cutdown config, not everybody needs/wants udev
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[19:14] <chithead> ryao: I used the rpi-3.6.y branch
[19:15] <ryao> chithead: Thanks.
[19:16] <Jeanseb> I think I'll try this one: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/sabrent-sabrent-7-port-usb-2-0-hub-with-ac-power-usb-hwps-grey-usb-hwps/10216065.aspx?path=3891e184573ca3cb52303c5ffea26c71en02
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[19:16] <Jeanseb> Its cheap and comes with an AC power adapter
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[19:16] <TAFB> check out the spec on the power adapter, that hub might not power anything (0.5 amps per port max).
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[19:18] <Jeanseb> It doesn't say it
[19:18] <ryao> I am trying again with the cutdown config (although I enabled BLK_DEV_BSG for udev).
[19:18] <Jeanseb> Might as well take this instead for double the price just to be sure: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/d-link-d-link-4-port-usb-hub-dub-h4bl-dub-h4bl/10228855.aspx?path=4c610d7114b7d0c6c2b1cb098e3639e7en02
[19:19] <Jeanseb> It says if you connect additional usb hubs you can power up to 127 devices, thats a lot xD I don't know if a Pi could support that xD
[19:19] <TAFB> Jean, that second one you linked will work sweet ;)
[19:19] <ryao> Does anyone here aside from chithead and myself compile their own kernels?
[19:20] * ryao is concerned that someone might have broken the tree.
[19:20] <TAFB> i've never compiles.
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[19:22] <ShiftPlusOne> ryao: I used to, but I've only ran into that problem when choosing a slightly different cpu and only in qemu.
[19:23] <Jeanseb> I'll take the same wifi adapter as you just to be sure it works: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/tp-link-tp-link-wireless-n150-nano-usb-adapter-tl-wn725n-tl-wn725n/10219141.aspx?path=87be6dbbba77425ef1bcf888daea51aaen02
[19:23] <Jeanseb> Its 5 dollars more than yours even if its the same
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[19:36] <ryao> chithead: I got it to work with bcmrpi_cutdown_defconfig.
[19:37] <chithead> ryao: in arch/arm/configs/ you will find bcmrpi_defconfig too, that you could try next
[19:37] <ryao> chithead: Thanks.
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[19:39] <axion> has any significant come from the "opening" of the firmware yet?
[19:39] <axion> doubtful from the code i saw, but just checking
[19:39] <ryao> axion: Opening of the firmware?
[19:40] <ShiftPlusOne> axion: the firmware was never opened. The ARM userspace stuff was.
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[19:40] <axion> arm userland i should say...not blob
[19:41] <ShiftPlusOne> did the mailboxes thing come about as a result of that or was it known before? I am not actually sure what that's all about.
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[20:04] <ghallberg> So, my Pis seem to like corrupting SD cards...
[20:05] <ShiftPlusOne> sounds like a pi alright
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[20:06] <ghallberg> It's been running fine for a couple of weeks with some reboots and such, but now it hung and the rootpartition was completely screwed...
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[20:12] <axion> the sd driver is not that great. i suggest only putting /boot on the card and running else from hdd/sdd/nfs
[20:13] <axion> ssd rather
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[20:20] <ghallberg> That's... annoying...
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[20:21] <ghallberg> Well, I guess I could do that, but it'd put even more stress on the usb-bus (in addition to storage and networking)
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[20:23] <axion> rev1 board?
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[20:28] <ghallberg> yeah
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[20:40] <martk100> How do I get wpa_gui to see my Belkin dongle ? The earlier wheezy saw it fine.
[20:40] <ghallberg> Dammit.
[20:40] <ghallberg> I want tthat pi to just work, not die all the time.
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[20:40] <ryao> I now have Raspbian booting off reiserfs.
[20:40] <ryao> Next step, compiling Gentoo.
[20:41] <TAFB> ghallberg, you saw the big thread on Pi forums about all the bad Pi's shipped out right?
[20:41] <ryao> Bad Pis?
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[20:41] <TAFB> Bad solder flow. Have to cook em in your oven or send em back for replacement.
[20:42] <TAFB> I know cause my first two were bad :(
[20:42] <steve_rox> not made in the uk eh?
[20:42] <TAFB> nope, made in china :(
[20:42] <TAFB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMPBcVCw10 skip to 3:40
[20:43] <ghallberg> TAFB: I didn't ser that actually... Was that ever on the frontpage=
[20:43] <ghallberg> ?
[20:43] <TAFB> one sec, I'll link it.
[20:43] <TAFB> it's like 7 pages
[20:43] <steve_rox> i rember this vid
[20:43] <TAFB> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=228650#p228650
[20:44] <steve_rox> makes ya think twice about ordering a second one
[20:44] <ghallberg> Well mine stays on for several days but...
[20:44] <TAFB> oh, one of mine only stayed up for 4 mins, the other one about 30 if I didn't work it hard.
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> mine has average uptimes of a month
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[20:45] <SpeedEvil> I need to plug it into ups
[20:45] <TAFB> my replacment has been up for almost 20 hours stright now! woot :)
[20:45] <ghallberg> Well, mine worked for a week or so, then I guess I pushed it to hard and it broke the filesystem.
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[20:45] <ghallberg> My guess is it was hashing a big torrent or something.
[20:45] <steve_rox> ive had mine on for quite some time with occational reboots , i probly should turn it off since i dont have a purpose for it
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[20:46] <TAFB> Steve: can't find a purpose for it? Serve up a couple websites, host some e-mail, stream some media, play some internet radio?
[20:47] <lucy33> hi guys... this is like the second or third time that i use i2c eeproms (i'm using a 24c32), but my first with the raspi... i can write the eeprom, i can read it, but i can only dump the memory from 0x00 to 0xff, I don't know the syntax of i2cdump to dump beyond that. I'm using this command: "i2cdump -y 1 0x50 i" ... any help?
[20:47] <steve_rox> its got a web server on it but hosting nothing of importance
[20:48] <TAFB> ahh. I replaced 1800 watts of servers with my Pi :) gonna finish getting it set up today :)
[20:48] <steve_rox> i saw some "wiki meda" script thing today which looks interesting
[20:48] <steve_rox> but that needs sql and php
[20:48] <steve_rox> something i dont know how to install into the webserver securely
[20:48] <ghallberg> I don't feel like setting up the Pi again now :(
[20:49] <ghallberg> I want it to just stay on.
[20:49] <TAFB> I'm going to try and get PHP workin on my Pi. I need it to do the live weather on my websites.
[20:49] <steve_rox> need some kinda cool pupose for it
[20:50] <TAFB> so, looks my mini TP-link USB wireless adapter keeps dropping out every few seconds. I hope I don't need it plugged into a powered hub :(
[20:50] <Jeanseb> I just came back and read your links about the bad Pi's, I might have the same one D:
[20:50] <Jeanseb> Mine says "Made in china" and the same number behind except the last 5 digits
[20:50] <Jeanseb> (Probably same batch)
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[20:51] <TAFB> yeah, could be. Is yours having power issues?
[20:51] <Jeanseb> Not yet
[20:51] <Jeanseb> I hope it doesn't happen
[20:51] <TAFB> if it doesn't have em right away, it won't develop em.
[20:51] <Jeanseb> Ok good!
[20:52] <Jeanseb> It only shuts down when I plug in the USB receiver, but I heard its an hotplug issue
[20:52] <TAFB> I can hotplug my bottom usb port, but not the top one :)
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[20:54] <Jeanseb> Ah i always hotplug the top one, might try the bottom one next time xD
[20:54] <TAFB> :)
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[20:54] <opieng> If you overclock the pi through Raspbian or Raspbmc, does it fix these settings until you change them again. i.e. even if you change SD cards?
[20:54] <Martyn> Afternoon
[20:55] <Martyn> opie : The overclock is requested after the kernel boots
[20:55] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: all those settings are on the sdcard, in the config.txt file.
[20:55] <Martyn> it's a config.txt setting that goes with the SD card
[20:55] <Jeanseb> So you're not having any luck with the TP-Link TAFB?
[20:55] <Martyn> not in the NVram
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[20:56] <opieng> ShiftPlusOne, ahh ok so once I switch cards the config.txt on that other card dictates the clock settings. Thats great, thanks
[20:56] <TAFB> Jean: it sees it, but when I join a network the wireless drops out.
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Martyn: it's after the kernel boots? I thought it was determined by the firmware, before the kernel does anything?
[20:56] <TAFB> Was reading, they say they draw too much power, need to run them through USB hub. I'm not ready to give up yet.
[20:56] <Jeanseb> Aww
[20:57] <ShiftPlusOne> opieng: yup, that's right.
[20:57] <Jeanseb> Then that means I would have to buy it + a usb hub
[20:57] <Martyn> ShiftPlusOne : You can overclock both ways .. there's a kernel interface that lets you change the PLL clock trees
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[20:57] <TAFB> I'm going to shunt more power directly to the USB ports. I need this small, simple and clean. No hub :(
[20:57] <opieng> Raspbmc site mentions you can overclock up to 1.5GHz, has anyone actually got this far with it?
[20:57] <ryao> TAFB: How do you plan to do that?
[20:58] <Martyn> opieng : Yes, but it's -very- processor specific, and you -must- use a heatsink + fan
[20:58] <mrmoney2012> hello people of the pi. I have got one of these chips??? http://proto-pic.co.uk/434mhz-rf-link-transmitter/ <- anyone help me wire the thing up ?
[20:58] <Martyn> and you are very much going to be reducing the life of your PI
[20:58] <TAFB> Running power from the MicroSD socket ping to the USB pins.
[20:58] <mrmoney2012> i mean - what pin goes to what GPIO pin.
[20:58] <Martyn> opieng : I'm running my PI at 1.3 right now, happily
[20:58] <opieng> Martyn, I see, I will be happy with 1Ghz overclock. I have my pi sitting on top of a laptop fan :)
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[20:58] <Martyn> opieng : I keep it cool with a low-flow fan
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[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Martyn: ah ok, but I am guessing the kernel interface doesn't actually read config.txt?
[20:59] <Martyn> ShiftPlusOne : Not without the help of a script, right
[20:59] <Martyn> ShiftPlusOne : I have my PI "tune" it's overclock right after boot
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[20:59] <opieng> 1.3Ghz, without a heat sink?
[20:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Martyn: Alright got it, thanks
[20:59] <Martyn> it slowly ramps from 1.0 to 1.3
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[20:59] <ryao> If you overclock to 1.5GHz, you might want a heatsink as well as Arctic Silver 5.
[20:59] <Martyn> opieng : WITH a heat sink! Good gosh!
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[20:59] <Martyn> It would fry otherwise
[20:59] <opieng> oh ok :)
[20:59] <Martyn> ryao : No need for any special pastes .. just make sure you have good heatsink contact to the chip
[21:00] <chris_99> how far can you push the speed of the RPi, SPI?
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[21:00] <ShiftPlusOne> Martyn: why do you say that? Wouldn't you just be slightly cooling the ram chip and leaving the cpu frying?
[21:00] <ryao> Martyn: If you are going to use a heatsink, you should do it properly.
[21:00] <chris_99> you need paste for the heatsink to actually work
[21:00] <Martyn> You can't. SPI on the Pi has -terrible- fidelity.
[21:01] <Martyn> the faster you ask it to go, the more / \ slanted the wave forms get
[21:01] <chris_99> hmm, what's the max speed you can reliably get?
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[21:01] <Martyn> chris_99 : I just use heatsink tape, and it's fine
[21:01] <Jeanseb> Back, now in a IRC client
[21:01] <Martyn> chris_99 : You don't need anything -terribly- special
[21:01] <Martyn> chris_99 : 1.3, if I ramp it slowly. My chip is part of the new 512 series, and they have tighter tolerances
[21:02] <chris_99> 1.3 what?
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[21:02] <Martyn> Ghz
[21:02] <Martyn> OH! The SPI
[21:02] <pibones> I have a 5v .5a USB wallwart is that going to be sufficient in having a headless pi?
[21:02] <Martyn> Sorry :)
[21:02] <chris_99> no, i'm asking about SPI heh
[21:02] <ghallberg> I think I'm gonna lower the overclock for next try, see if that helps it not corrupt my settings...
[21:02] <TAFB> pibones, spec says 700ma, your 500ma might not cut it.
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[21:03] <Martyn> 250MHz is the -absolute- limit you can hope to achieve on the SPI bus
[21:03] <pibones> :) thanks for the reply looks like I will just stick with my phones charger its 5v 1a
[21:03] <TAFB> 1amp runs it nice :)
[21:03] <Martyn> I would not run at at anything faster than 125MHz
[21:04] <TAFB> use a high quality micro USB cable too, the really skinny ones don't provide enough current.
[21:04] <mrmoney2012> so i have everything in place - i want to control my christmas lights via cron - whoop??? this code looks great https://github.com/dmcg/raspberry-strogonanoff - i just don't know how to wire the transmitter chip I have acquired?
[21:04] <ryao> Martyn: What do you mean by tighter tolerances?
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[21:04] <Martyn> and if you DO run the SPI that fast, I wouldn't make it go any father than 5-8 cm
[21:04] <pibones> Yeah I have a new wire just for the pi, thanks for the info.
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[21:05] <Martyn> ryao : The new chips have a pretty tight band they like to run in .. they cleaned up the PLL trees, and certain clock dividers no longer work
[21:05] <opieng> I wouldnt like to go higher than 1.0Ghz on stock hardware
[21:05] <TAFB> alright, off to hotwire power to my USB ports. Dead Pi or working WiFi coming right up...
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[21:05] <ryao> Martyn: Is this good or bad?
[21:05] <chris_99> Martyn, so 250MHz would mean what kind of datarate?
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[21:05] <chris_99> i'm guessing 250/2 Mbps?
[21:06] <Jeanseb> brb
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[21:07] <Martyn> no, 250/8
[21:07] <chris_99> why /8?
[21:07] <Martyn> actually, it's TWO shifts of eight bytes
[21:08] <Martyn> (I'm calculating Mibi, not megabit)
[21:10] <Martyn> Yep, it would be 250MHz / 2
[21:10] <Martyn> although thats -entirely- up to the peripherals
[21:10] <ryao> Wow... I broke apt-get.
[21:11] <opieng> ryao, what do you mean you "broke" it
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[21:11] <chris_99> gordonDrogon, are you about per chance?
[21:11] <mrmoney2012> anyone take a look at this and take a rough guess how the transmitter chip should be connected to the GPIO. this data sheet tells me I need, Ground, Data, Power and Antenna. So ground is just ground, Power is 5 volts? but which Pi Pin for Data in ? http://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Wireless/General/TWS-BS-3_433.92MHz_ASK_RF_Transmitter_Module_Data_Sheet.pdf as i said earlier I intend to use this library
[21:11] <mrmoney2012> https://github.com/dmcg/raspberry-strogonanoff <- do I need any resistors in the circuit also ?
[21:12] <ryao> opieng: I tried installing tmux on the latest Raspbian image. This happened: http://bpaste.net/show/63263/
[21:12] <ryao> That was after running into the following: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=11824
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[21:13] <opieng> ryao, could you not type any further commands after line 64?
[21:13] <ryao> opieng: I could. It just kept complaining.
[21:14] <ryao> opieng: http://bpaste.net/show/63264/
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[21:14] <ryao> It would just quit after saying Y.
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[21:14] <frikinz> the following packages will be installed: libc6 o_O wtf?
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[21:15] <ryao> Raspbian is reminding me of all of the things that I like about Gentoo. When a failure occurs with emerge, it tells me something useful. Now to switch to Gentoo...
[21:16] <lucy33> hi guys... this is like the second or third time that i use i2c eeproms (i'm using a 24c32), but my first with the raspi... i can write the eeprom, i can read it, but i can only dump the memory from 0x00 to 0xff, I don't know the syntax of i2cdump to dump beyond that. I'm using this command: "i2cdump -y 1 0x50 i" ... any help?
[21:17] <frikinz> ryao: Do you know why your system would install multiarch? is it intended of you?
[21:17] <mrmoney2012> ok, i think i worked it out - just one question - do i connect 3v or 5v to power the chip ?
[21:18] <frikinz> never seen something like this. ahah dpkg is going to be installed.
[21:19] <ryao> frikinz: It is the stock raspbian image.
[21:19] * plugwash blames SD card corruption :/
[21:20] <frikinz> ryao: yes I believe. actually i think the message would be the same for an upgrade and an installation. dpkg being installed is impossible so I guess all this were supposed to be upgraded.
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[21:21] <frikinz> I'm going to upgrade to see
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[21:23] <frikinz> ryao: aptitude is a much better choice in resolving conflicts
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[21:38] <frikinz> ryao: you could try this /usr/share/debconf/fix_db.pl; rm /var/cache/debconf/* ; aptitude -f install
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, Hello there!
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[21:41] <ryao> frikinz: Thanks for the tip, but I prefer Gentoo. I was only using Raspbian to try to figure out why my initial attempt at installing Gentoo failed.
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[21:41] <pksato> I make raspberry pi powered by stanby line of ATX PSU, and gpio7 to power up main ATX PSU.
[21:45] <chris_99> gordonDrogon, hey, i was just looking at your website it says you tested SPI up to 65Mb?
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, yes, it fails at that speed. 32Mb/sec is the fastest clock.
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[21:47] <chris_99> that's 32 megabit?
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[21:49] <scummos^> from my 16bit ADC I could not transfer more than about 10k values per second over SPI
[21:50] <scummos^> so altough the clock goes sort of high the effective data transfer rate is much lower. :(
[21:50] <chris_99> pity :(
[21:50] <chris_99> i want to transfer a load of data from an FPGA potentially
[21:50] <chris_99> to the Pi
[21:50] <scummos^> i'd say you can forget about that
[21:50] <scummos^> I didn't get it to do more than 20kb/s
[21:51] <scummos^> kB/s that is
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> yea, 32 megabits a second.
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[21:51] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot of latency between bytes.
[21:51] <scummos^> yes
[21:51] <mrmoney2012> holy mary mother of god - I'm controlling my outside christmas lights from my little pi! :-)
[21:52] <mrmoney2012> excuse expletives but when things work first time it makes me rather pleased with myself !
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[21:53] <chris_99> haha nice mrmoney2012
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[21:53] <mrmoney2012> seems to work??? now a cron job to turn em on and off guess on at 5pm and off at 11pm maybe
[21:55] <frikinz> nice. I thought about that but will probably miss time, knowledge and.. the lights..
[21:55] <mrmoney2012> easier than a thought - marlin 433mhz mains remote control
[21:55] <mrmoney2012> marlin = maplin
[21:56] <mrmoney2012> and a transmitter chip on the GPIO + this software https://github.com/dmcg/raspberry-strogonanoff
[21:56] <scummos^> make a cron job to turn them on and off every 10 seconds
[21:56] <scummos^> people will be happy
[21:56] <mrmoney2012> haha??? yes had though of that
[21:56] <scummos^> or make them blink /dev/urandom in morse code
[21:57] <moopet> I just bought an RJ45 coupler for 6p including shipping.
[21:57] <moopet> I feel this is my record
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[21:58] <scummos^> haha
[21:58] <scummos^> it has free shipping, or what?
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> my best eBay win so far was a microwave oven for a fiver, delivered.
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> took 3 min to fix
[21:59] <TAFB> ok, so I measure the output USB voltage from the Pi and was getting 4.86. I measured a big voltage drop across F3 so I bridged it with a wire, now I have 4.99v at my USB ports! WOOT! I'm try the WiFi adapter again... one moment :)
[21:59] <steve_rox> does it work without serious health risks tho?
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[21:59] <SpeedEvil> the fault was it got dropped
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> which pinched the HV wire
[21:59] <frikinz> don't watch your food 5cm from the window though ;)
[22:00] <scummos^> how does one manage to drop a microwave oven
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> which made it go bang on turn on
[22:00] <scummos^> lol
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> some tape, and fixed
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> and a fuse, of course
[22:00] <steve_rox> fun
[22:01] <steve_rox> how new is it
[22:01] <moopet> mrmoney2012: that strogonanoff is sweet
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[22:01] <mrmoney2012> works a treat
[22:01] <moopet> scummos^: free shipping yes
[22:01] <scummos^> nice ,D
[22:02] <moopet> mrmoney2012: I have those bye-bye-standby sockets (basically domia x10s) and took apart a remote and used a transistor to short one of the buttons
[22:02] <moopet> meant I had an IRC bot you could ask to turn on my kitchen lights
[22:02] <scummos^> very nice.
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: was brand new
[22:03] <moopet> but getting those little chips looks ace, I'll be buying a couple
[22:03] <scummos^> I still want to build a door lock which opens when you feed it a USB stick with your private key
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> scummos^: Nash
[22:03] <scummos^> Nash?
[22:04] <steve_rox> sounds like a victory
[22:04] <steve_rox> for great justice
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[22:04] <SpeedEvil> http://projectiris.co.uk
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> naah, rather
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[22:12] <DooMMasteR> http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/12/201212910738744906.html ufff
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[22:15] <bin_bash> can the pi use a class 10 sdcard?
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[22:15] <jelly1> sure
[22:15] <jelly1> bin_bash: 20MB/s is the max i get
[22:15] <bin_bash> ohai jelly1
[22:15] <bin_bash> lol
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[22:15] <bin_bash> that's pretty good, actually.
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[22:16] <bin_bash> http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS16GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNEQ/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355087671&sr=1-12&keywords=32gb+sd+card
[22:16] <bin_bash> this seems like a pretty good deal
[22:16] <mrmoney2012> in cron syntax doe this mean run everyday at 4pm ???. 00 16 * * * /home/somescript.sh
[22:18] <bin_bash> jelly1, that link i pasted, that should work in the pi. right? sdhc?
[22:18] <scummos^> bin_bash: should work yes
[22:18] <jelly1> just check with a site
[22:18] <scummos^> but good deal... well. it's quite normal i think
[22:18] <bin_bash> scummos^, the other I saw was like 13 something, and it was a class 4
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[22:18] <bin_bash> so i thought for a class 10 that this was a better deal
[22:18] <scummos^> hc just means "high capacity" and is the most pointless thing ever
[22:19] <scummos^> class 10 means it's faster, right?
[22:19] <bin_bash> yeah
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[22:24] <CelticTurnip> hey all
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[22:28] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, it means to run the script at 4pm
[22:29] <mrmoney2012> thanks - i tested it works - lights on at 4pm off at 11pm.
[22:29] <axion> class 10 means it was capable of achieving 10mBps of continuous streaming...not lots of small random writes as with a linux filesystem
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[22:40] <ryao> I have Gentoo Linux running on my Raspberry Pi. :D
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[22:40] * ryao is compiling software now.
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. not sure I like the new site design, but it's marginally better than the last one :)
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
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[22:45] <UnaClocker> Well my chinese rev2 board seems to be working just as well as my UK one..
[22:46] <bin_bash> is there a way to look at the board and know if mine is the 512mb or 256mb one?
[22:46] <bin_bash> i dont have my sdcard yet
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[22:47] <linuxstb> Yes, look at the model number on the RAM chip - if it includes 2G, it's 256MB, 4G means 512MB
[22:47] <bin_bash> kk
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[22:50] <bin_bash> damnit i'm pissed.
[22:50] <bin_bash> this ws supposed to be the 512mb one
[22:50] <bin_bash> that's what they told me when the shipment was delayed >:(
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[22:53] <bin_bash> now i'm pissed.
[22:53] <bin_bash> i dont even want to spend the 15 dollars on the sdcard
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[22:54] * UnaClocker nods.
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[22:54] <UnaClocker> The 256mb ones make great media centers.
[22:55] <bin_bash> how so, UnaClocker?
[22:55] <bin_bash> also, the fucking case doesnt even fit right
[22:55] <UnaClocker> RaspBMC, XBMC doesn't need more ram, so it plays movies just fine on the older units.
[22:56] <frikinz> You can run plenty of things with 256MB!
[22:56] <bin_bash> I can't even run openbox on my laptop with 256mb
[22:57] <CelticTurnip> if you're not happy email/ring the supplier... there's not much else you can do
[22:57] <CelticTurnip> if you were promised a 512 get 1, if not well good luck with it ;)
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> bin_bash, other than your choice of language, you need to be aware that different countries/cultires interpert what you're saying differently.
[22:58] <ryao> UnaClocker: How can you tell that it is Chinese?
[22:58] <frikinz> Isn't raspbian running openbox?
[22:58] <bin_bash> gordonDrogon, what
[22:58] <frikinz> bin_bash: topic
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> bin_bash, read the topic.
[22:58] <frikinz> foul etc.. ;)
[22:59] <bin_bash> oh sorry. i said the 'f' word
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> and to be pissed in the UK (and possibly europe) means to be intoxicated.
[22:59] <CelticTurnip> and Australia :)
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> One is "pissed off" in the UK,
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> (and possible the antipodies too ;-)
[22:59] <frikinz> oh I thought one means drunk, the other angry
[22:59] <frikinz> in uk
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, yes. pissed is drunk, pissed off is ... well, pissed off!
[23:00] <CelticTurnip> I was so pissed, I tripped over the cat... damn that pissed me off! :P
[23:00] <frikinz> ok intoxicated..
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:00] <UnaClocker> I typed apt-get install kdegames like 4 hours ago... still goin...
[23:01] <linuxstb> bin_bash: You got it from RS I guess?
[23:01] <frikinz> UnaClocker: ahah :) how many things did it pull?
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[23:01] <frikinz> UnaClocker: is it still downloading or installing?
[23:02] <UnaClocker> It's installing.. Not sure how many packages, was like 385mb, seemed like more than a page worth of packages.. heh
[23:02] <linuxstb> UnaClocker: I've read that some people are having problems with XBMC on a 256MB Pi, meaning they need to enable swap. So 512MB would seem to be an advantage. (I've had no issues on my 256MB though)
[23:02] <bin_bash> linuxstb, yeah i did.
[23:02] <bin_bash> linuxstb, and the case i got it fits together great... when the pi isn't in it.
[23:03] <bin_bash> I got it in the mail a couple months ago, but i've been so busy, i'm just now playing with it.
[23:03] <CelticTurnip> bin_bash: what do you actually want to do with it?
[23:04] <linuxstb> Was it shipped after the Pi foundation announced the 512MB model?
[23:04] <bin_bash> linuxstb, yes.
[23:04] <UnaClocker> I use my Pi for chatting in IRC.. hahaha
[23:04] <CelticTurnip> because I've been using my 256er for months, replaced it with my 512 this weekend... for what I use it for no difference at all
[23:04] <bin_bash> CelticTurnip, i wanted to use it as a media server but i have no idea how it'
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[23:04] <bin_bash> it'll be able to play flash videos with only 256mb of ram
[23:04] <CelticTurnip> media server? or media center?
[23:04] <bin_bash> media center
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[23:05] <CelticTurnip> XBian works fine on 256, so does Raspbmc
[23:05] <CelticTurnip> I personally use XBian with a few fixes
[23:05] <frikinz> UnaClocker: if I'm not mistaken, kde-games pulls kde-full which I didn't even dare to install on my laptop :)
[23:05] <bin_bash> yeah but i dont think i'll be able to stream with such a small amount of RAM
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[23:06] <CelticTurnip> bin_bash: and you'd be thinking wrong :)
[23:06] <ryao> bin_bash: Small?
[23:06] <CelticTurnip> I streamed HD content for months without issue on the 256er
[23:06] <axion> i can stream fine with 128M of ram (and 128 for the gpu [1080p at that])
[23:07] <ryao> 8MB is small. 256MB is luxury.
[23:07] <UnaClocker> Well we'll see how it goes.. I've gotten fairly adept at restarting from a fresh image. I could almost make a script to reinstall all my default packages. I should just image my card the next time I get my baseline up.
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[23:08] <bin_bash> really?
[23:08] <bin_bash> hm
[23:08] <ryao> Routers are sold with incredibly small quantities of RAM and they stream things without a problem.
[23:08] <bin_bash> i've had such a problem on my other laptop, and that's 256mb
[23:08] <frikinz> UnaClocker: you can get a list of installed packages with dpkg --get-selections and then reinject it in your new install and run apt-get upgrade
[23:08] <UnaClocker> I ordered a lapdock last weekend. Can't wait till that gets here. That'll be cool.
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[23:08] <CelticTurnip> bin_bash: you probably need to stop comaparing the Pi to notebooks :)
[23:08] <bin_bash> my pi was supposed to ship in september
[23:09] <ryao> bin_bash: Did this laptop run Windows?
[23:09] <CelticTurnip> bin_bash: I've watched the XBMC distros get more and more optimized over the months, they're insanely small (in size and memory usage) these days
[23:09] <bin_bash> it shipped the day after they announced the 512mb one
[23:09] <axion> this isnt x86. the same program in arm uses LESS ram. just as 32bit x86 code needs less ram than 64
[23:09] <bin_bash> ryao, no, archlinux
[23:09] <ryao> axion: The differences are insignificant.
[23:09] <bin_bash> axion, that is a good point.
[23:10] <bin_bash> bleh i'm just disappointed
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[23:11] <CelticTurnip> if all you want is a media center you have no reason to be, it's going to work just as well as on the 512MBer
[23:11] <UnaClocker> So what case did you get?
[23:11] <axion> they are significant enough to notice in embedded systems. bash on my Atom notebook weighs in at 6500-6600. arm it is 5200-5300. same pre-compilation options, same toolchain
[23:11] <CelticTurnip> like I said I have both, for XBMC no difference at all
[23:11] <ryao> CelticTurnip: You could try Gentoo. It is rare to find a standard distriution that is smaller than it.
[23:11] <bin_bash> i got this nice plastic clear case, UnaClocker
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[23:11] <CelticTurnip> ryao: yeah I've been looking at it, I think I'll buy another 512er and give it a crack :)
[23:12] <bin_bash> UnaClocker, i think it's this one: http://www.adafruit.com/adablog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pi1.jpg
[23:12] <CelticTurnip> I have that case it fits the 256 and 512ers perfectly
[23:12] <CelticTurnip> maybe you got a defective 1?
[23:13] <bin_bash> maybe
[23:13] <bin_bash> here i'll take a pic
[23:13] <ryao> CelticTurnip: I am trying it now. I am installing sofware. So far, I have only used 916M of space.
[23:13] <CelticTurnip> or you're putting it together wrong :P
[23:13] <CelticTurnip> ryao: nice :)
[23:14] <bin_bash> CelticTurnip, that's why i'm taking a pic to show you. I've tried putting it together several different ways.
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[23:14] <axion> i run a full workstation, no gui mind you, in ~50M, and still have half of my sys ram left, and enough to play anything on the gpu if i need it, with a 256M pi
[23:14] <bin_bash> CelticTurnip, UnaClocker: http://root--servers.org/picase.jpg
[23:15] <CelticTurnip> http://learn.adafruit.com/pi-box
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[23:15] <bin_bash> CelticTurnip, no. it's just two pieces. it doesn' come apart liek that
[23:16] <rymate1234> decided to be adventurous and run craftbukkit (minecraft server) on a rpi
[23:16] <UnaClocker> Did you order your Pi from Adafruit?
[23:16] <linuxstb> bin_bash: I doubt you'll run into problems with your 256MB, but obviously RS should have sent you a 512MB. They're not winning any friends with their handling of the raspi (I waited over 4 months for one from them, whereas Farnell/Element14 always shipped within a few days).
[23:16] <CelticTurnip> bin_bash: not the same case then
[23:17] <UnaClocker> I got a free Pi from RS due to them not answering a paypal dispute, and shipping crazy late.
[23:17] <bin_bash> linuxstb, i ordered it last march. it was supposed to ship in september. they shipped it the day after the announcement, and still shipped me a 256. i won't be ordering from them again
[23:18] <UnaClocker> My first Pi came from RS, back in May, I had it like 4 days after I paid..
[23:18] <bin_bash> UnaClocker, CelticTurnip: this is the case I havem but it's completely transparent: http://i.imgur.com/O45d2.jpg
[23:18] <ryao> CelticTurnip: Also, I am using reiserfs instead of ext4.
[23:18] <UnaClocker> ok, web browser is almost up.
[23:18] <UnaClocker> Mmm, killer file system dude.
[23:18] <CelticTurnip> ryao: I think I'll order a 512er today if e14 have stoc, you've sold me :)
[23:19] <ryao> Cool.
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[23:19] <bin_bash> rymate1234, how did it run?
[23:19] <ryao> I plan to get ZFS on it in the near future. reiserfs is temporary for me.
[23:20] <CelticTurnip> :)
[23:20] <rymate1234> bin_bash, still genmerating world
[23:20] <CelticTurnip> can't fault that plan
[23:20] <rymate1234> been going for a few minutes
[23:20] <rymate1234> 16% done
[23:20] <ryao> By the way, it isn't hard to swap SD cards if you have an existing one.
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[23:20] <bin_bash> *sigh* well if you guys say xbmc runs well, then i'll trust you
[23:21] <rymate1234> bin_bash, worked well for me
[23:21] <CelticTurnip> bin_bash: of course it works well, it was designed for 256MB of RAM
[23:21] <bin_bash> ah
[23:21] <ackthet> bin_bash: it def runs perfect
[23:21] <ackthet> its so gosh darn easy
[23:21] <ackthet> 1. grab image
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[23:22] <UnaClocker> Cool case, with the smoked plastic.
[23:22] <ackthet> 2. put image on
[23:22] <ackthet> 3. your done
[23:22] <bin_bash> is it possible to run netflix or hulu plus or whatever
[23:22] <ackthet> why do people have so much trouble <_<
[23:22] <UnaClocker> ha, no.
[23:22] <bin_bash> UnaClocker, yeah except mine is fully transparent
[23:22] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: you get the new kernel on?
[23:22] <ryao> By the way, I suspect that the Raspberry Piu could kill Chrmebox.
[23:22] <UnaClocker> netflix doesn't do Linux.
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[23:22] <bin_bash> UnaClocker, wht about hulu
[23:22] <ryao> s/Chrmebox/Chromebox/
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[23:23] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: see pm
[23:23] <CelticTurnip> ah there you are :P
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[23:23] <UnaClocker> Hulu is flash, Pi doesn't do flash ideo. Can't even do YouTube..
[23:23] <ryao> If you can run the OS on a Raspberry Pi, why bother spending $250 for the Chromebox?
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[23:24] <bin_bash> UnaClocker, wait there's no flash at all?
[23:24] <ryao> You might be able to do flash. Lightsprk.
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[23:24] <UnaClocker> Yeah, Google would be smart to port their GoogleTV to the Pi.. $200 is stupid expensive.
[23:24] <ryao> Typing with one hand is a pain.
[23:24] <bin_bash> android has flash... why can't the raspberry pi have it?
[23:24] <exuvo> cant you use html5 on youtube instead of flash?
[23:24] <frikinz> android sort of have flash
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[23:25] <bin_bash> frikinz, you can do hulu on android.
[23:25] <ryao> My other hand is holding my laptop. :/
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[23:25] <exuvo> may i suggest a table
[23:25] <UnaClocker> exuvo: I've been trying for months, yet to get it to work, even Chromium Browser refuses to play in HTML5 mode.
[23:26] <ryao> UnaClocker: Google should just resell the Raspberry Pi in a case with a SD card that has their OS.
[23:27] <TAFB> SUCCESS! TP-LINK TL-WN725N usb wireless adapter working WITHOUT USB HUB! yay!!! :)
[23:27] <TAFB> I'm connected to VNC in the RPi over wireless right now. SO SWEET.
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[23:28] <ryao> TAFB: Do you have a mouse and keyboard attached too?
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[23:28] <TAFB> nope, just wireless and micro usb
[23:29] <TAFB> I read this site: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[23:29] <TAFB> lots of great ideas on how to get MASSIVE power to your usb ports.
[23:29] <viric> mine worked, but went out after minutes
[23:29] <frikinz> my WN722N also works with no hub and on a rev1. it is given for 130mA to 140mA ~idle. As soon as I download something huge, it disconnects and reconnects
[23:30] <bin_bash> Do you guys just use a regular old microusb to wall adapter to power your pi?
[23:30] <TAFB> I briged F3 which gave my Pi a beautiful 5.01v instead of 4.86v it was getting before. I then bridged the two power and ground connections on the USB port connectors, works flawless. Similar to this pic: http://i.stack.imgur.com/LDQuV.jpg
[23:30] <viric> bin_bash: not old, but sounds like what you described
[23:30] <TAFB> bin_bash: I use a 2amp iPad USB power adapter and high current micro USB cable.
[23:30] <ryao> Has anyone had luck with unpowered hubs?
[23:30] <ryao> High current micro USB?
[23:31] <TAFB> if you hack your Pi to provide massive power to the USB ports, and use a powerful USB adapter, you can use unpowerd ghub.
[23:31] <TAFB> hub
[23:31] <UnaClocker> I bring my 5v into the GPIO header, no fuses in the way..:)
[23:31] <TAFB> or, if you BACK power a USB port, and solder/bridge the power and ground on the ports, you get unlimited current out of the other port (assuming 2 port Pi).
[23:31] <TAFB> nice Una, cept the traces are only good for 1amp ;)
[23:32] <ryao> TAFB: Are we talking about the 512MB version?
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[23:32] <TAFB> people have been pulling 6 amps by back powering, or 3 amps through the micro USB (with F3 bridged).
[23:32] <TAFB> ryao: Yeah, the Pi with 2 usb ports, 512mb B version?
[23:32] <UnaClocker> There's a rev 1 and rev 2 model b
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> doing over an amp, maybe two is insane.
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> the tracks do not have nlmited current capability
[23:33] <bin_bash> my model b has 2 usb ports but it has 256mb of ram
[23:33] <TAFB> I was going to use my meter to do a load test, but with F3 bridged I didn't want to cook my power supply.
[23:33] <ryao> TAFB: Yes.
[23:34] <UnaClocker> I use a 4 amp power supply.. :)
[23:34] <ryao> I really only want to attach a wireless NIC, a mouse and a keyboard...
[23:34] <bin_bash> idk how many amps this one is
[23:34] <TAFB> Speed: If you back power the USB, you're not using traces, you're using the actual port leads, to provide power to the other port. The traces only power the Pi at that point ;)
[23:34] <ryao> The wireless NIC has been reported to work. The mouse and keyboard are low power. I just don't know if the hub will work.
[23:35] <ryao> Well, I don't know how much power the hub will use to provide the additional ports.
[23:35] <TAFB> ryao: easy to mod it. If you solder it like this, unlimited power to your USB, only limit is your power supply: http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> hubs are generally specified as one unit load
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> 100mA
[23:36] <exuvo> that wire does not survive unlimited current
[23:36] <TAFB> lol
[23:36] <TAFB> you know what I mean, a few amps for the ports.
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[23:40] <TAFB> oh baby, TP1 to TP2 test = 5.01v WOOT!
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[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> that .01v doesn't bother you?
[23:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ...If it wasn't there it would be a perfect 5v
[23:43] <TAFB> with my one supply it's 5.18v :) good for overclockin
[23:43] <UnaClocker> I've got 5.12v between TP1 and TP2..
[23:43] <TAFB> nice
[23:43] <TAFB> must have a high supply :)
[23:43] <UnaClocker> 4 amp beast.
[23:43] <TAFB> dirty
[23:44] <TAFB> I've got a 25amp coming, adjustable regulator too so I can over cook it as much as I want.
[23:44] <UnaClocker> I smoked my first Pi by reversing the polarity into the GPIO pins.. hehe, oops.
[23:45] <TAFB> there's a simple chip you can use to prevent that right? strange they wouldn't build it in. Probably cheaper than all those stupid poly fuses they started with
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[23:45] <Jibual> Hi, I have a raspberry pi B model running the latest version of Raspbian, I am trying to get it to recongize my seagate 1TB USB drive, but it doesn't see it, can anyone help?
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[23:46] <UnaClocker> Diode, yeah, but then I wouldn't be able to feed power in through those pins, it'd be output only. And diodes have a guaranteed voltage drop.
[23:46] <TAFB> ahhh. Didn't know GPIO was meant for power output, not input ;)
[23:47] <TAFB> can anyone help me set my manual IP address for my WiFi connection? I've got etc/network/instances up on the screen, but not sure where to start :(
[23:47] <linuxstb> Jibual: Does "ls -l /dev/sd*" show anything?
[23:47] <Jibual> nothing :(
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[23:48] <Jibual> any package I need to install?
[23:48] <ryao> SpeedEvil: Thanks.
[23:48] <bin_bash> TAFB, what network manager are you using
[23:48] <ryao> In that case, a hub would probably not use too much power. :)
[23:48] <TAFB> not sure :( looks like this so far: allow-hotplug wlan0
[23:48] <TAFB> iface wlan0 inet manual
[23:48] <TAFB> wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[23:48] <TAFB> iface default inet dhcp
[23:49] <frikinz> iface default inet static
[23:49] <frikinz> address
[23:49] <frikinz> netmask
[23:49] <linuxstb> Jibual: No, shouldn't be. Does "dmesg" (as root - e.g. "sudo dmesg") say anything related to your USB disk?
[23:49] <TAFB> sweeeeeet! thanks :)
[23:49] <frikinz> TAFB: so you have to comment the dhcp one
[23:49] <frikinz> TAFB: also there is probably a graphical tool to do it
[23:50] <TAFB> i'm starting to like this dos prompt stuff
[23:50] <TAFB> sucks my VNC only works in X
[23:50] <UnaClocker> hehehe, dos prompt..
[23:50] <TAFB> ;)
[23:50] <TAFB> you know what I mean... terminal, whatever.
[23:50] <UnaClocker> ssh for a remote shell..
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[23:51] <mrhobbz> i installed dos 4.01 from floppies onto my pi
[23:51] <TAFB> do you have to enable ish on the Pi for that to work? I tried putty but it would never connect. x11vnc works flawless.
[23:51] <TAFB> hobbz: no ms-dos 6.22? it was my fav
[23:51] <Jibual> linuxstb: one second I had to reboot it
[23:52] <rymate1234> 22:52:09 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 44%
[23:52] <rymate1234> still generating
[23:52] <mrhobbz> minecraft server on the pi?
[23:52] <UnaClocker> Someday my kdegames package install will get done.
[23:53] <rymate1234> yup
[23:53] <rymate1234> been generating since 22:15
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[23:53] <rymate1234> although it's already done the overworld
[23:53] <rymate1234> onto the nether now
[23:53] <mrhobbz> ah
[23:53] <mrhobbz> yeah, lots of io eaten up there
[23:53] <rymate1234> heh
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[23:54] <rymate1234> my SD card isn't the fastest on the market
[23:54] <UnaClocker> Mmmm, kbattleship
[23:54] <rymate1234> not entirely sure of its speed
[23:54] <TAFB> my SD is an absolute monster! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/patriot%2032gb%20class%2010%20SD%20card%20test.png
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[23:55] <ryao> Has anyone seen this? http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135235611947&tab_idx=1
[23:55] <mrhobbz> interesting, what's the hp tuners equiv for those bikes tafb?
[23:55] <TAFB> rofl :)
[23:56] <TAFB> I use http://www.flash-tune.com hardware
[23:56] <TAFB> only works on R1 and R6 for right now
[23:56] <mrhobbz> ah
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[23:56] <TAFB> my bike, she's a monster too :) 07 R1
[23:57] <TAFB> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHPGnl7vpB0
[23:57] <TAFB> dun laugh at my noob ness, was my 2nd ever track day :)
[23:58] <mrhobbz> fun!
[23:58] <rymate1234> I tested IO with time (dd if=/dev/zero of=lmao.out bs=128M count=1 ; sync )
[23:59] <TAFB> yeah. I'm addicted. If it wasn't snowing here right now I'd be on the track :) lol.
[23:59] <rymate1234> results are
[23:59] <rymate1234> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 42.703 s, 3.1 MB/s
[23:59] <mrhobbz> i never really got into bikes, there's really only 4 months out of the year we can ride here :|
[23:59] <TAFB> *pukew*, ry, is that on your SD?
[23:59] <rymate1234> yup
[23:59] <TAFB> where are ya Hobbs? I'm near Toronto

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