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IRC Log for 2012-12-10

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[0:00] <mrhobbz> Ohio
[0:00] <TAFB> yikes, I was getting 14.1 on my fancy class 10.
[0:00] <TAFB> yeah, same crap weather as here hobbz :)
[0:00] <Jibual> Linuxstb; sorry trying to get my wi-pi working now it was working, and it authenticates to my WAP and even gets an IP from dhcp but i can't ping out anywhere
[0:00] * akiwiguy|away is now known as akiwiguy
[0:00] <Jibual> not even to the gate way
[0:00] <rymate1234> mines a cheap class 4 I think
[0:01] <mrhobbz> ryao: that exynos is hotness
[0:01] <TAFB> yeah, that exynos got quite a few ports :)
[0:01] <UnaClocker> If I weren't deep in a package install from hell, I'd try that benchmark on my 8gb sony class 10 card..
[0:02] <rymate1234> K
[0:02] <rymate1234> mounted USB stick
[0:02] <mrhobbz> i bought a bunch of the amazon basics 4gb class 10's for $5.49/ea 16-18mb/s write
[0:02] <rymate1234> might move MC server onto that
[0:02] <rymate1234> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 27.7591 s, 4.8 MB/s
[0:02] <rymate1234> still not good
[0:04] <TAFB> this wifi is rock solid, not one disconnect yet :)
[0:05] <rymate1234> ouch
[0:05] <rymate1234> My SD is a class 4
[0:05] <mrhobbz> if you want one of the faster ones out there check out the sandisk extreme pro class 10's
[0:06] <mrhobbz> they're pricey though
[0:06] <rymate1234> how much?
[0:06] <TAFB> my Patriot beat my Sandisk Extereme Pro and was half the price
[0:06] <mrhobbz> ~$60ish for a 32gb
[0:06] <rymate1234> ....no
[0:06] <TAFB> at a store down the road from me: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_175_176&item_id=048402
[0:08] <rymate1234> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 27.4825 s, 4.9 MB/s
[0:08] <rymate1234> that's another usb stick I have
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[0:10] <CelticTurnip> rymate1234: you might want to try hdparm instead of doing low level stuff with dd
[0:10] <CelticTurnip> as for the SanDisks I have the extreme pro, it's no faster on the Pi than my normal class 10 SanDsks
[0:10] <CelticTurnip> SanDisks even
[0:10] <rymate1234> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 25.3279 s, 5.3 MB/s
[0:10] <rymate1234> woo speed increase with ext3
[0:11] <TAFB> Celtic: How do I run hdparm on my Pi?
[0:11] <rymate1234> "hdparm"
[0:11] <TAFB> rofl
[0:12] <CelticTurnip> install it, read the man page ;)
[0:12] <TAFB> hdparm not found
[0:12] <rymate1234> 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copied, 20.581 s, 6.5 MB/s
[0:12] <rymate1234> kgys
[0:12] <rymate1234> *guys
[0:12] <rymate1234> ext4 is best file system
[0:12] <rymate1234> I cbf to try others
[0:13] <TAFB> attempting apt-get install hdparm
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[0:15] <bin_bash> mmm hd parmesan
[0:15] <bin_bash> :P
[0:15] <bin_bash> everytime i see hdparm i think that
[0:15] <TAFB> is my thing to test /dev/hda?
[0:17] <pksato> ATX PSU to power RPi https://plus.google.com/photos/115147337053910457307/albums/5817916341644372401/5820086921696083826
[0:18] <TAFB> nice, a little big/overkill, but nice
[0:18] * pksato afk
[0:19] <TAFB> ahhhh /dev/mmcblk0p1
[0:21] <rymate1234> is this a good SD card?
[0:21] <rymate1234> http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-16GB-45MB-Extreme-SDHC/dp/B00422J0CG/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1355095228&sr=1-2
[0:21] <TAFB> yep, they work good.
[0:21] <bin_bash> rymate1234, yeah it looks like a nice one
[0:21] * Kripton is now known as kripton
[0:21] <TAFB> My HD parm: Timing cached reads: 292 MB in 2.00 seconds = 145.74 MB/sec
[0:21] <TAFB> Timing buffered disk reads: 54 MB in 3.09 seconds = 17.47 MB/sec
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[0:21] <rymate1234> might get it then
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[0:25] <UnaClocker> oooh, I think my game install might almost be done.
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[0:27] <TAFB> Una, do you know how I can make wpa_gui load after lxde starts?
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[0:28] <mdim> I just connected my Raspberry Pi, and it is running the Arch Linux ARM. What should I be seeing? All I see is bunch of errors?
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: well, that's not something you should be seeing.
[0:29] * Haaninjo (~anders@85.8.55.65) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: once it's booted, you should see the login prompt\
[0:29] <ryao> mrhobbz: The only thing that I dislike about it is that it uses power adapter like what you would find on a router.
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[0:29] <mdim> something like this: mmcblk0: error -110 sending status command, retrying.
[0:29] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: bad sdcard, pretty sure.
[0:29] <CelticTurnip> rymate1234: that's the card I currently have in my 512er... works really well
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[0:31] <mdim> well, I did pull out the card from my laptop while something was being written to it. Is permanent damage possible?
[0:31] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: it wouldn't cause permanent damage, you'd be able to either fsck it or rewrite the disk image.
[0:31] <mdim> ok, I'll delete all the partitions first, and then retry
[0:32] <ShiftPlusOne> I think it's just an unsupported card though
[0:32] <rymate1234> I'll probably buy that SD card next week
[0:32] <mdim> kingston sdhc 8 gb, class 10
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[0:33] <TAFB> hate kingstone, so many fakes out there :(
[0:33] <pksato> /quit
[0:33] * pksato (~PEBKAC@unaffiliated/pksato) Quit (Quit: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair)
[0:34] <TAFB> can anyone help me put wpa_gui in startup so lxde loads it when it starts? I tried to copy and paste the icon into the startup folder, but I guess that's not how it works :(
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[0:34] <rymate1234> TAFB, why do you want it to start on startup?
[0:35] <TAFB> because my wireless won't connect unless it opens.
[0:35] <rymate1234> o.o
[0:35] <rymate1234> that's odd
[0:35] <TAFB> is it not supposed to be like that?
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[0:36] <TAFB> maybe the wireless is connecting BEFORE it opens. lemme reboot and check :)
[0:36] <ryao> mrhobbz: They appear to have their own channel in #odroid.
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> mdim: 8 GB/Go SDHC Class 10 - SD10V/8 GB or 8 GB SDHC Class 10 (SD10G2/8 GB, SD10V/8 GB, ultimateX 100X, ultimateX 120X) ?
[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> the first is reported not to work and the second is reported to work
[0:37] <rymate1234> TAFB, afaik wpa_gui is just a configuration tool for wpa_supplicant
[0:37] <TAFB> those kingston cards are slooooooow too :( the 100x one at least.
[0:37] <TAFB> never tried it in my Pi so can't speak to it's compatibility.
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[0:40] <TAFB> rymate: you are right! my wireless DOES auto-connect, lol. I'm trying my first reboot with my static WiFi ip address and no ethernet, we'll see how she goes :)
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[0:40] <rymate1234> lmao
[0:41] <TAFB> gosh darn it works peachy :)
[0:41] <rymate1234> I love my router
[0:41] <TAFB> ok. Pi is going down and getting moved where it'll only have one cable going into it, MicroUSB! woot!
[0:41] <rymate1234> It might be a crappy ISP issued one
[0:42] <rymate1234> But it automatically gives devices static IP's and makes port forwarding very easy
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[0:46] <rymate1234> yay
[0:46] <rymate1234> 23:45:42 [INFO] Done (1555.673s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
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[0:47] * rymate1234 coaxes server
[0:47] <rymate1234> come on
[0:47] <rymate1234> lemme connect
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[0:48] <rymate1234> wlel
[0:48] <rymate1234> well
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[0:49] <rymate1234> that didn't work
[0:50] <mdim> I got disconnected
[0:50] <mdim> where there any answers about the flickering screen?
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[0:59] <mdim> I get journal commit I/O error for bunch of times
[0:59] <TAFB> ok, got my cable modem/router, switch and raspberrypi on 1300va battery backup :) woot. Battery should last a little longer than it did with my three servers on it :)
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[1:19] <TAFB> My Pi is complete! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
[1:19] <TAFB> That's 6 watts it's drawing :)
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[1:20] <TAFB> says "time remaining on battery backup with current load, 9367 mins" ROFL :)
[1:21] <adb> 2 days ?
[1:21] <rikkib> No case
[1:21] <TAFB> adb, I think if I click the "units" button is says 6.5 days?
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[1:22] <adb> heh,cool
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[1:22] <TAFB> rikkib: This one is coming, should be hear in the next few days: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/110959219089
[1:23] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-dev.jpg
[1:24] <rikkib> some of my stuff. Has expanded since with two 512 boards
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[1:24] <TAFB> yikes! that's a lot of ish! :)
[1:25] <TAFB> where'd you get that Pi case?
[1:25] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
[1:26] <rikkib> I made the aluminium case
[1:26] <TAFB> nice! did you put any heatsinks on the components? must cook in there with little ventalation.
[1:27] <rikkib> I have one of those cases mounted in a larger plastic box heading for the proof of concept project I am workiing on
[1:27] <rikkib> Gate opener... 24v dc and cat5e 150m to a gate
[1:28] <TAFB> ohhhhhh, nice LCD display!!! what's the res on it?
[1:28] <rikkib> cam for vid/aud and relays/switches and gpio control from a web interface
[1:28] <TAFB> dirty
[1:28] <rikkib> 320x240 lots of color :)
[1:29] <TAFB> nice! Not touch screen?
[1:29] <rikkib> stm32v devel board
[1:29] <rikkib> touch amr 32
[1:29] <rikkib> arm
[1:29] <rikkib> arm11
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[1:30] <rikkib> I have it hooked to ttyAMA0 and spi but yet to write much than test software at this point
[1:31] <rikkib> Heating is not a problem
[1:32] <rikkib> less than foot warmer heat from the RPi in the case. The case actually help as a heat sink giveing more area to dispate the heat
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[1:33] <TAFB> nice. after my two defective Pi's were sent back, the last one that worked came with little heatsinks in the box: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[1:35] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz:8081/
[1:36] <rikkib> Live web cam pointing at the box I have a rpi in ready to onsite for tests
[1:37] <rikkib> cam running on a RPi with motion streams to motion running on my web server
[1:37] <rikkib> my hand
[1:37] <TAFB> nice!
[1:37] <rikkib> :)
[1:37] <TAFB> looks great. Is it using java script to refresh the image?
[1:37] <TAFB> I got some code so it won't refesh the image until the next one is fully loaded, makes it a slide show instead of drawing it like that.
[1:38] <rikkib> No just ordinaryt streaming as supported by browsers other than ie
[1:38] <rikkib> html5
[1:38] <TAFB> ahhh. okies.
[1:39] <rikkib> like chrome works as well as icedove/firefow
[1:39] <rikkib> fox
[1:39] <TAFB> here's a flash webcam I set up (not on a Pi): http://www.ourston.com/resources/webcams/halifax.html
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[1:39] <rikkib> my tv
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[1:39] <TAFB> haven't got around to making it work on html5 yet
[1:41] <rikkib> streaming closed
[1:42] <rikkib> works with multiple rpi with web cams no problem
[1:42] <rikkib> Going to see how an aggregation server using a rpi with the system I am working on.
[1:44] <TAFB> rikiib: do you think vlcplayer could run on the Pi?
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[1:46] <rikkib> It runs but
[1:47] <rikkib> I have not got vlc to see my cam... Permission issues and if it don't run out of the bow then it aint much chance of getting run around here
[1:47] <rikkib> box
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[1:48] <TAFB> damn :( I'm hoping to use VLCplayer on Pi to read 720p h264 stream and transcode it to flash compatible h264 stream. Not sure if it can use GPU to do that, cpu wouldn't be fast enough I think
[1:48] <rikkib> What I do know with vlc is that I can see motion streams and also listen to audio streamed from the rpi cam
[1:49] <rikkib> 1 fps vid and 16k audio is real good for long distance streaming over the net
[1:49] <_mru_> I don't think vlc has support for rpi hw codecs
[1:49] <_mru_> and the cpu is definitely too slow
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[1:50] <rikkib> I am running vlc on other platforms as the end point of the vid/aud streams I send from rpi
[1:50] <TAFB> mru: thanks for the info.
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[1:51] <TAFB> because my customers use traffic cams, they all want 720p flawless 30fps stream :( they stream it through a 3rd party hosting company so it only has to stream to "one user" then they split it from there.
[1:51] <rikkib> motion is ideally suited to what I want to do... add audio and I have a gate intercom. add gpio control and I have a gate that opens and closes.
[1:51] <rikkib> and a buttom to call the end point
[1:52] <rikkib> all very simple.
[1:52] <TAFB> nice. Are you just doing it for one project, or are you going to develop a system/kit?
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[1:53] <rikkib> I have others lined up
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[1:54] <rikkib> proof of concept is for a guy who works for the largest sys integrating co in NZ
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[1:54] <rikkib> I have another guy that can provide support to get thigs on the move.
[1:55] <TAFB> nice! good luck on your project, I hope it works out well for you.
[1:55] <rikkib> My skills have been working to this day for many years
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[1:56] <rikkib> When a cheap linuix system that can be hooked to the other stuff I do comes along
[1:56] <TAFB> did you see the Exynos4 system? If you ever needed more power than the Pi: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135235611947&tab_idx=1
[1:56] <rikkib> As you see I have stm32v boards and also mc9s08
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[1:57] <rikkib> and lots of other stuff... bluetooth, dsp...
[1:57] <TAFB> I'm thinking that Exynos4 board might better run my VLC for camera streams.
[1:58] <rikkib> I watched your streams for a while... Impression... a smooth 1fps is better than freeze frame :)
[1:59] <TAFB> you're on the other side of the pond, the under ocean link isn't strong :) their target market is in north america, streams fine over here :)
[1:59] <rikkib> true
[1:59] <rikkib> and our cable has been playing up...
[1:59] <rikkib> we are currently reliant on one link
[2:00] <TAFB> ahhh. what does http://www.speedtest.net look like?
[2:01] <rikkib> Kim dot com was going to invest but that is now a long way off... He is going to take money of the US govt and our govt first
[2:01] <TAFB> I have two connections here. One for downloading: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1740215922.png
[2:01] <TAFB> and one for uploading: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1747705636.png
[2:02] <rikkib> You will make me cry... I have to live with adls at 1mb/100kb
[2:02] <TAFB> love Kim. he's awesome. I saw his tweets about the new Mega service. I sent his team an e-mail asking if I can "host" a camera in their stream. Hopefully I hear back if they are working on any streaming type setup with their new cloud business.
[2:02] <TAFB> yikes, is that the best you can get?
[2:03] <rikkib> I live in a small country town and have a fixed ip that I pay $60/month for 50GB
[2:03] <TAFB> wow
[2:03] <TAFB> that'd be enough to make me move :)
[2:03] <rikkib> Backwards here
[2:03] <TAFB> the next place I want to move is here: http://www.greenlightnc.com/about/internet/
[2:03] <TAFB> look at those prices!
[2:04] <rikkib> telco's just suck money out and the govt has had to put money into rural broadband
[2:04] * azeam is now known as azeam_afk
[2:04] <rikkib> atm you can gett faster if you live further away.
[2:05] <rikkib> until local exchange equip is updated for the in town adsl
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[2:05] <rikkib> sucks
[2:05] <shufflebot> Soooo the pi I ordered I'm pretty sure is defective
[2:05] <TAFB> it's the same here. If I drive 2 hours I can get to a place with NO dsl, no high speed, nothing. 56k modem dialup only! But if you go FARTHER out, the government has paid to have a company put in 4g wireless, nice speeds but $$$ for bandwidth.
[2:05] <rikkib> as does the slow uptake of ip6v
[2:05] <shufflebot> whenever I run yes and pipe it to itself a few times the system will run for about a minute then crash
[2:05] <TAFB> shuffle: is it going to sleep on you?
[2:05] <shufflebot> yeah pretty much
[2:06] <shufflebot> doesn't reboot
[2:06] <shufflebot> just powers to "red" state
[2:06] <TAFB> yep. did you see the big thread about that on Pi forums?
[2:06] <shufflebot> Noooo
[2:06] <TAFB> only solution is re-flow it in your oven, or send it back.
[2:06] <TAFB> One sec, I'll link it up.
[2:06] <shufflebot> Oven baked pi.....
[2:06] <TAFB> yep, works sweet.
[2:06] <TAFB> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=228650#p228650
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[2:08] <TAFB> shuffle: I got my first bad Pi, would go "dead" (just power light only) after 4 mins, even sitting at the prompt! My second one would last 30 mins at the prompt, but if I fired up X or did anything CPU intensive it'd go dead shortly after.
[2:09] <TAFB> It's a solder problem with the cpu. When it gets warm it crashes. If you put a fan blowing directly on it, it'll probably run forever! lol.
[2:09] <TAFB> A few guys have reflowed them in their ovens and they work perfect now. My third replacement I got works flawless, so I didn't try any baking.
[2:09] <TAFB> my Pi, workin hard: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
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[2:12] <shufflebot> TAFB: I kinda want to try baking it
[2:12] <TAFB> lol
[2:12] <TAFB> will void your warranty, I guarantee
[2:12] <shufflebot> I bought it from allied so I feel like getting a replacement will take forever
[2:12] <TAFB> yes, I have not heard good things about them :(
[2:12] <rikkib> I do solder reflow in a toaster oven
[2:13] <shufflebot> rikkib: I ahve one of those
[2:13] <shufflebot> how long / what temp?
[2:13] <rikkib> Heat it up full on.
[2:13] <TAFB> shuffle: I'll get you think for baking in your oven in case you want to go that route.
[2:13] <TAFB> link
[2:13] <rikkib> put the board in and watch
[2:14] <rikkib> open door and blow heat out
[2:14] <rikkib> it takes seconds
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[2:14] <shufflebot> rikkib: do you have a url to the steps you did ?
[2:15] <rikkib> The toaster over actually goes to about the right temp full on
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[2:15] <TAFB> shuffle: oven method: http://gough.ath.cx/?p=160
[2:15] <rikkib> I did find stuff on the net where others documented their finding and went off that
[2:15] <shufflebot> hmm I'll give it a shot
[2:15] <shufflebot> thanks
[2:16] <TAFB> good luck shuffle, put it this way, it's hard to make it worse than it is ;)
[2:16] <brady2600> man. ive put so much work into this raspberry pi image, and now my arduino ide is broke -- even when i uninstall it and its components and reinstall the arduino ide, i still get the same error
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[2:17] <rikkib> Hmmm I must test the one rpi I got last week that I have not yet
[2:17] <rikkib> Let me see...
[2:17] <TAFB> unconfirmed reports say that 10,000 to 30,000 bad Pi's were shipped :(
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[2:18] <rikkib> eeekkkk
[2:18] <brady2600> can someone help me fix my arduino ide
[2:18] <rikkib> Mine say made in China
[2:18] <TAFB> both my bad ones were made in China.
[2:19] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi_problem_made_in_china.jpg
[2:19] <TAFB> serial number: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi_problem_serial_sticker.jpg
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[2:19] <rikkib> Hmmm
[2:20] <brady2600> ..
[2:20] <rikkib> Label not well aligned
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[2:20] <TAFB> if you look under it, says Made in UK, lol
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[2:20] <FliesLikeABrick> is there anywhere currently taking orders for gert boards?
[2:21] <rikkib> The two 512 boards I have came from element14
[2:21] <TAFB> both suppliers have shipped bad boards
[2:22] <bin_bash> FliesLikeABrick, what's a gert board?
[2:23] <rikkib> RS has not been able to supply here since the first batch... I got one from the RS UK and one from RS NZ but back order for two was not filled so ordered two from E14
[2:23] <TAFB> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/gertboard
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[2:23] <FliesLikeABrick> rikkib: was that in response to my gert board question?
[2:24] <rikkib> No sorry
[2:24] <TAFB> both my bad ones came from Farnell, my working one came from Element14, if that makes you feel any better :)
[2:24] <rikkib> we are talking about other things
[2:24] <FliesLikeABrick> indeed, but without you highlighting I wasn't sure who you were responding to :)
[2:24] <FliesLikeABrick> I've got 2x 512 boards on order from e14
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[2:25] <plugwash> umm, element14 basically is farnell
[2:25] <TAFB> these guys are shipping Pi's next day air, lots in stock: http://canada.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302
[2:25] <rikkib> I will know in a minute if the one I have not tested yet works
[2:25] <rikkib> The lights are flashing. :)
[2:26] <TAFB> good luck! remember, sometimes it won't fail until under load.
[2:26] <TAFB> just loading X was enough to do mine in
[2:26] <plugwash> afaict at the moment it's pot luck whether you get a sony made board or a china made one :/
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[2:27] <rikkib> It lives....
[2:27] <TAFB> the place I bought mine from guaranteed a Made in UK one. I got a made in china one :(
[2:27] <TAFB> oh well, it works :)
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[2:27] <TAFB> congrats rikkib, lets see how long it lives for.
[2:27] <rikkib> haha
[2:27] <TAFB> if it makes it 30 mins in X with some animated gifs playing in the browser call it good.
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[2:32] <satellit> I just looked at my element-14 from newark it is a 512 made in china : (
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[2:33] <TAFB> the sux Sat :(
[2:33] <TAFB> I paid a bit more than MSRP for my Pi because it was guaranteed made in UK. But the one I got was made in china anyway :(
[2:34] <satellit> yup I got it last week have not yet tested it....My 256 works well Tomorrow will test it
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[2:36] <TAFB> no issues with 256's, only 512's have the problem.
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[2:36] <Rexz> Hey hey
[2:37] <TAFB> hey is for horses
[2:37] <Rexz> nay is for horses
[2:37] <TAFB> or hay
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[2:37] <Rexz> ok Hello....
[2:37] <TAFB> well hello
[2:38] <TAFB> good evening (or what ever time it is where you are)
[2:38] <Rexz> its actually morning
[2:38] <TAFB> lol
[2:38] <TAFB> 8:38pm here
[2:38] <Rexz> 1.38
[2:39] <Rexz> I got a problem with pygame and python. I wanted to get my python script running at startup so I tried with cron and was getting an awful high pitch sound
[2:39] <Rexz> so then I tried creating a script in init.d to run it, but still getting the high pitch sound
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[2:40] <Rexz> it seems to be when I run channelA.play(sound)
[2:40] <Rexz> anyone got a clue what it could be?
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[2:40] <Rexz> the python script runs fine if I run it with python
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[2:42] <FliesLikeABrick> running as the same user in all 3 cases you've tried it?
[2:42] <mythos> Rexz, maybe a right-problem?
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[2:42] <Rexz> 2 cases being python and init.d and yeah
[2:42] <FliesLikeABrick> and do you just hear a sound, or do you see anything on your x11 display (assuming this is GUI)
[2:43] <Rexz> nope no gui, and I hear a high pitch sound
[2:43] <FliesLikeABrick> Rexz: the 3rd case being the @reboot cronjob
[2:43] <mythos> Rexz, so... you are new to linux?
[2:43] <Rexz> yes
[2:43] <pksato> Rexz: bit rate mismatch.
[2:43] <Rexz> ah right ok
[2:43] <Rexz> what should I be running it at?
[2:43] <FliesLikeABrick> Rexz: is it supposed to be gui?
[2:43] <Rexz> currently 44000
[2:43] <Rexz> nope FliesLikeABrick
[2:44] <FliesLikeABrick> ahk
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[2:45] <pksato> 44000? is not a common bit rate. (is not 48000?)
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[2:45] <TAFB> it's 44100 plsato, or 48000 :)
[2:45] <axion> you mean sample rate
[2:46] <pksato> ops... yes, sample rate. :)
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[2:46] <axion> 44.1kHz is common (audio cd)
[2:46] <axion> 44100
[2:46] <axion> 48kHz is dvd-audio quality iirc
[2:47] <rikkib> New 512 board testing now but I know it will crash. http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
[2:47] <rikkib> motion will crash as I am running pretty up to date kernel with issues...
[2:47] <TAFB> why do you think it will crash?
[2:48] <TAFB> feed looks good, nice guitar
[2:48] <rikkib> uvc vid kernel errors
[2:48] <Rexz> ok well I have the mixer running at 44100, -16 1 1024
[2:48] <rikkib> the uvc driver in the kernel gets video completion errors which make motion crash.
[2:48] <pksato> And, script my be running before alsa or pulseaudio start proper.
[2:49] <rikkib> The bug is not on the kernel issue list so will not get fixed until someone gets a clue
[2:49] <rikkib> in the mean time I am running kernel from 7th ,month which doe work headless
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> I question if it's not just the normal USB flakiness
[2:50] <SpeedEvil> I mean, if keyboards are unstable, why should camera work well
[2:51] <rikkib> Given the many issues that I have seen since getting my first RPi I think much of what we see is clueless nobieness
[2:52] <rikkib> It is a usb issue introdiced when the otg driver were put in the kernel
[2:53] <rikkib> I have tried to trace it to a certain update of github but could not quite put my finger on it... kernel debugging was not on my to do list.
[2:53] <nahmaste> anyone use this toolchain for rpi cross-compiling in sb2? https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/tree/master/arm-bcm2708/arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi/bin
[2:53] <Rexz> when you specify the location of the python script to run from my script in init.d, how would I set its directory it would be running in?
[2:53] <Rexz> if that makes sense
[2:54] <rikkib> nahmaste, I just used crosstools and built my own... You will need the experience gained from building your own
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[2:55] <nahmaste> rikkib: with hardware fp?
[2:56] <axion> Rexz: ?
[2:57] <SpeedEvil> rikkib: the hardware doesn't do otg
[2:57] <SpeedEvil> at least in its current state
[2:57] <nahmaste> ive built one using ct-ng per this howto: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ but i didnt think that used hw fp... plus that repository is official, shouldnt those bins work with the 10-28 raspbian distro?
[2:57] <rikkib> nahmaste, Yes
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[2:59] <uriah> hello
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[2:59] <TAFB> good evening
[2:59] <rikkib> I am not expert on usb but they introduced new drivers into the kernel arounnd the 8th month and that is when the errors started to occur
[2:59] <uriah> what's the max current that can be drawn from the 5V0 pins on the header pinout?
[3:00] <rikkib> I am running a 3.1.9 kernel, I think, to get a stable system
[3:00] <TAFB> on the GPIO pins? If you pull more than 100ma the poly fuse F3 will cause a voltage drop and the CPU will crash.
[3:00] <rikkib> I also keep up to date sd cards
[3:01] <TAFB> You can jumper wire F3 and you can pull 1amp from GPIO pins if your power supply supports it
[3:01] <pksato> uriah: it is direct connected do F3 polyfuse, 750mA, RPi use arround 500mA.
[3:01] <uriah> ok, thanks
[3:01] <brady2600> this sucks so bad
[3:02] <brady2600> ive spent like two weeks prepairing my raspberry pi , and now the arduino ide won't run, which is critical to my project
[3:02] <pksato> and, have the usb devices.
[3:02] <TAFB> brady: they say you always do it better the second time
[3:03] <brady2600> i have started completely over at least twelve times
[3:03] <TAFB> oh, time for lucky number 13 I guess.
[3:03] <rikkib> what's the max current that can be drawn from the 5V0 pins on the header pinout? From memory 50mA
[3:03] <bin_bash> oh woww
[3:03] <TAFB> do you save images of your card at all the different steps??
[3:03] <bin_bash> so apparently i was doing the case all wrong lol
[3:03] <brady2600> both this room and the arduino room have forwarded me to the java room, and the java room says no tech support
[3:04] <bin_bash> i found an instructional video
[3:04] <TAFB> lol
[3:04] <brady2600> no i dont have a backup
[3:04] <TAFB> damn, when you do #13 make an image of the card at every step, once you find out what's breaking it you can go one step back :)
[3:04] <rikkib> 50mA total from all 5v pins on all connectors
[3:04] <uriah> pksato, TAFB: i guess i can just power stuff straight from my 5v regulator circuit, in parallel with the pi, if i need more current.
[3:05] <rikkib> P1 & P2 mainly but applicable to the cam port
[3:05] <TAFB> uriah, if you need more power from the USB, you can do this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
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[3:05] <TAFB> check out this page for all the tricks on providing more power to your Pi: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[3:05] <pksato> GPIO pins is for signaling, not power source.
[3:06] <uriah> TAFB: thanks
[3:06] <bin_bash> what do you use the gpio pins for anyway
[3:06] <uriah> TAFB: btw, that's a terribly compressed jpeg :D
[3:06] <TAFB> I jumpered F3 and I'm getting a solid 5V everywhere on my pi, and solder bridged the two USB ports and am back feeding power to the Pi. I can pull 6 amps from the spare USB port before it starts to melt.
[3:06] <TAFB> uriah, it's not my pic.
[3:06] <uriah> cool, just saying
[3:06] <TAFB> lol
[3:06] <TAFB> my pic: RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
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[3:06] <TAFB> not much compression
[3:06] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
[3:06] <TAFB> sorry, copy paste fail
[3:07] <rikkib> I have tested RPi powered from the gpio. I run a outboard polyfuse of similar rating as the on board one.
[3:07] <uriah> TAFB: how hot does that wifi dongle get?
[3:07] <uriah> (i'm looking for a new one, since mine uses up too much current - i think)
[3:07] <TAFB> let me go check, it's been transfering data constantly for like an hour now to test reliability. one sec.
[3:08] <TAFB> I had to solder bridge all over my Pi to make that one work, drew WAY too much current.
[3:08] <uriah> hmm, damn
[3:08] <uriah> mine makes the pi reboot when i plug it in, but afterwards it works fine it seems
[3:09] <TAFB> you can solder in bigger cap, makes hot plug not reboot Pi.
[3:09] <TAFB> I felt the temp, it feels about the same as the large middle chip on the Pi, so warm.
[3:09] <uriah> ah. it's the hotplugging that reboots it? why doesn't it do that with keyboards?
[3:09] <uriah> not enough current drawn?
[3:10] <TAFB> yep
[3:10] <TAFB> it's big initial draw spike caused by devices. Most mice and all keyboard don't do it.
[3:10] <uriah> cool
[3:10] <TAFB> if you have a high draw device it gets a big voltage drop when you connect it.
[3:10] <uriah> and some usb memory sticks
[3:10] <ParkerR_> Heh my external hard drive has a spike
[3:10] <rikkib> TAFB, Are you technically qualified or just a hobbyist?
[3:10] <ParkerR_> And crashes the Pi
[3:10] <TAFB> if you replace the little cap (47uf) with a 250-300uf no more reboot.
[3:10] <uriah> TAFB: powered usb hub can also be a solution, correct?
[3:10] <ParkerR_> Boot back up with it in fine
[3:10] <ParkerR_> *Boots
[3:11] <TAFB> I'm 0% qualified.
[3:11] <TAFB> don't let me touch your ish
[3:11] <rikkib> haha
[3:11] <mrhobbz> i'm qualified in.... google-fu
[3:11] <TAFB> yep, powered hub works flawless.
[3:11] <rikkib> googe-fu is good
[3:11] <TAFB> I didn't want extra boxes, extra power adapters, didn't want to back power, etc. so I just bridged and WiFi works sweet. Hot plug no problem with bridged ;)
[3:12] <mrhobbz> you go with ceramic tafb?
[3:12] <TAFB> i didn't use bigger cap on my Pi. With the wire bridge to the USB hot plug works fine.
[3:13] <mrhobbz> ah
[3:13] <TAFB> I also jumped F3 so Pi has more voltage, 4.86 before, 5.01 after :)
[3:14] <mrhobbz> nice
[3:14] <mrhobbz> i should check what mines geting, haven't had any issues with it so far
[3:14] <mrhobbz> running the one sitting here with a galaxy s3 charger
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[3:15] <TAFB> hobbz: check TP1 to TP2 voltage: http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
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[3:20] <mrhobbz> yeah need to dig my multimeter out, been busy rewiring my house's phone lines to ethernet jacks
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[3:20] <ParkerR_> TAFB, What does that voltage reading show?
[3:20] <TAFB> the voltage the CPU of the Pi is getting, after the F3 poly fuse.
[3:21] <ParkerR_> Ahh
[3:21] <ParkerR_> Neat
[3:21] <ParkerR_> I take it only on the older boards?
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[3:21] <TAFB> if you measure the outside edge of poly fuse F3 and black box D17 it will show you input voltage (from your adapter).
[3:21] <TAFB> nope, that's on brand new ones.
[3:22] <TAFB> they only did away with the USB poly fuse limiters on the new boards, it still has a main current limiter.
[3:22] <ParkerR_> Oh I thought I head read that they removed a polyfuse. Or was that just the power input fuse?
[3:22] <ParkerR_> Ahh
[3:22] <mrhobbz> 4.7 on the one i've got xbmc sitting, hopefully my new power adapters get here soon
[3:22] <TAFB> yikes, that's pretty low.
[3:22] <TAFB> reboots at 4.6
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[3:22] <mrhobbz> yeah
[3:23] <mrhobbz> haven't had any issues with it (not using any usb devices though)
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[3:23] <TAFB> put the volt meter to side of D17 and F3 (edge towards side of board).
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[3:23] <TAFB> ahh, yeah, with no USB you should be OK. No issues with ethernet dropping out? That's the first to go on low voltage.
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[3:24] <TAFB> Parker: It used to have three poly fuses, two up by the usb ports to limit USB current to 100ma, and the one main one (approx 750ma). They did away with the USB ones and left the main one (F3)... dumb ;)
[3:25] <mrhobbz> nope, no network drops so far
[3:26] <TAFB> nice, you must be right on the edge :)
[3:26] <TAFB> did you measure F3 to D17?
[3:26] <TAFB> it's on the bottom of the board ;)
[3:26] <TAFB> right where micro USB plugs in.
[3:27] <TAFB> test edges of chips closest to edge of board.
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[3:34] <mrhobbz> welp, can't tell you now
[3:34] <mrhobbz> old multimeter isn't reading anything anymore
[3:35] <mrhobbz> been using an analog meter for years, looks like it bit the dust
[3:35] <TAFB> lol :) if you have good input voltage, but poor TP2-3 voltage, solder jumper wire from one side of F3 to the other = super solid power :)
[3:36] <mrhobbz> gotcha, i'll check that out after i pick up a new meter
[3:37] <TAFB> good plan :)
[3:38] <mrhobbz> doh, yeah needle isn't moving on anything i feed it
[3:38] <mrhobbz> any suggestions on a good digital?
[3:39] <ParkerR_> Metex ME-11
[3:39] <ParkerR_> Oldie but a goodie
[3:40] <plugwash> depends on your definition of "good" and your budget
[3:40] <ParkerR_> :P
[3:40] <ParkerR_> http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/d/153249-2/ME-11+Metex.jpg
[3:40] <mrhobbz> anywhere from $50-$200
[3:40] <ParkerR_> Only one I've had
[3:41] <TAFB> I use this one, good for doing 10amp load tests: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ammeter-Voltmeter-Ohm-Test-Meter-Professional-Electric-Digital-Multimeter-DT830B-Free-Shipping/476279580.html
[3:41] <TAFB> pretty hard to beat for $4.50 shipped ;)
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[3:42] <mrhobbz> well, probably more accurate than my analog, think i might order one of those
[3:42] <plugwash> yeah, even cheap multimeters are surprisingly good. The main problem with them comes if you want to measure small resistances for some reason.
[3:42] <plugwash> or if you need to measure something very accurately
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[3:44] <SpeedEvil> cheap electronics tends to also have iffily cleaned PCBs
[3:44] <SpeedEvil> which means that bad stuff happens if you get it humid
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[3:45] <SpeedEvil> or just a bit cold and damp
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[3:45] <SpeedEvil> I have a scale that would gain 10g on switch on, till I cleaned the PCB
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[3:46] <plugwash> also BTW if you are using a multimeter for mains work you should really get a set of fused test leads
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[3:46] <plugwash> especially if it's high current mains stuff
[3:47] * SpeedEvil ponders getting a decent meter.
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[3:47] <axion> or a proper category-rated meter
[3:47] <nerxgas> anyway
[3:48] <uriah> can i use uart-ttl devices via the pi's uart?
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> axion: I've got several 3.99 meters
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[3:49] <UnaClocker> So anyone try that FM transmitter trick yet?
[3:50] <UnaClocker> I need to design a shield with an antenna jack for the Pi.. :)
[3:50] <mrhobbz> hmmmm fm transmitter?
[3:50] <UnaClocker> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[3:51] <nerxgas> wow, this pi can do anything
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[3:51] <UnaClocker> 500k hackers unleashed on the exact same piece of hardware, bound to find some cool tricks. ;)
[3:52] <nerxgas> 500k?
[3:52] <TAFB> is there a program I can install in LXDE that'll show me network usage?
[3:52] <nerxgas> that many
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[3:52] <mrhobbz> nice UnaClocker, I haven't seen that one yet.. neat
[3:52] <nerxgas> who would ever need more than 500k hackers
[3:52] <UnaClocker> I'm guessing that they've made/sold about 500k Pi at this point. I think I heard that number recently.
[3:52] <axion> TAFB: nethogs and bwm-ng come to mind
[3:53] <TAFB> thanks axion
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[3:55] <Lobs> UnaClocker: some of us have many many many more than 1 PI, so you cant use a number of sold units as to number of "hackers"
[3:55] <CelticTurnip> yeah install base is like 20 people I think :)
[3:55] <UnaClocker> Lobs: And if I knew the exact number, I wouldn't.. I know some schools probably got groups of 100 or more.. Roughly 500k, eventually many more.
[3:55] <CelticTurnip> :P
[3:56] <plugwash> uriah, with care yes
[3:56] <CelticTurnip> if they managed to ship 500K good on them, that initial wait of months was insane :)
[3:56] <ParkerR_> Heh finally got my config.txt fully set up http://pastebin.com/EL9ZfDxN
[3:56] <uriah> plugwash: by 'with care', what do you mean?
[3:56] <UnaClocker> "Sell out a little to sell a lot"???
[3:56] <plugwash> you must not feed 5V into the Pis input
[3:57] <uriah> oh.
[3:57] <plugwash> so for 5V devices some voltage division will be needed
[3:57] <uriah> plugwash: the data i/o for ttl is 5V?
[3:57] <nahmaste> rikkib: did you say that you built a toolchain with crosstool for cross compiling?
[3:57] <plugwash> "TTL" is a bit of a loosely defined term...
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[3:57] <rikkib> Yes
[3:58] <UnaClocker> The GPIO pins want 3.3v, 5v will smoke them.
[3:58] <rikkib> crosstool does it for you
[3:58] <uriah> plugwash: i was thinking about using something like this: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11571
[3:58] <nahmaste> rikkib: was it a linaro tc using the experimental features? im trying to decide how to configure mine
[3:58] <rikkib> downloads all the stuff and compiles the libs and then the compiler
[3:59] <rikkib> yes from memory
[3:59] <rikkib> the rpi is following that route
[3:59] <rikkib> the kernel sources
[4:01] <rikkib> what you use fir libs etc is up to you... leading, bleeding edge or stable
[4:02] <rikkib> just modify the script
[4:02] <plugwash> real TTL devices run of 5V and IIRC accept anywhere from about 2V to their supply voltage. The output high voltage of a real TTL gate running off 5V will be a bit less than 5V but I still wouldn't risk feeing it into the Pi.
[4:02] <TAFB> I downloaded and extracted bwm-ng, what do I type in to install it?
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[4:02] <mrhobbz> neighbor had a dmm, 4.88 D17 - F3
[4:02] <axion> depends on your gnu/loinux distribution
[4:02] <plugwash> But there are also many TTL compatible CMOS devices that are loosly described as "TTL", you really need to read the specs of such devices to find the actual output voltage
[4:02] <ParkerR_> Heh made my config that much fancier http://pastebin.com/iFnvVYxC
[4:03] <TAFB> supply's a little weak hobbz.
[4:03] <CelticTurnip> ParkerR_: that's the spirit ;)
[4:03] <plugwash> and add appropriate protection/conversion for the Pi if needed
[4:03] <axion> TAFB: i type pacman -S nethogs. your operating system may be different to install
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[4:04] <uriah> plugwash: ok, thanks.
[4:05] <TAFB> you mean sudo apt-get install nethogs?
[4:05] <axion> that would do it, if nethogs exists in their repo
[4:05] <axion> which is better than bwm-ng btw
[4:05] <uriah> plugwash: power supply is 3.3V to 5.5V
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[4:06] <TAFB> they make nothing graphical? with fancy charts and graphs?
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[4:07] <plugwash> if in doubt using a 74LVC series device running off 3.3V to buffer the signal will protect the Pi and should work with pretty much any device that has a "ttl compatible" interface
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[4:07] <TAFB> nethogs is in there, trying to install now.
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[4:09] <axion> gnome has that if you like bloat. im sure there are some hundreds of others too.
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[4:11] <JohnRambozo> so this is #raspberrypi.
[4:11] <JohnRambozo> greetings.
[4:11] <ParkerR_> CelticTurnip, And all I can say about the TV config is that it's a weird TV. Ends up being 1214x690
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[4:11] <ParkerR_> JohnRambozo, Hello
[4:12] <TAFB> if there a way or program to send and receive large amounts of data over the network. Need to test how stable my wifi is.
[4:12] <ParkerR_> scp
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[4:12] <CelticTurnip> scp, ftp, rsync, the list goes on and on :)
[4:12] <ParkerR_> scp localfile user@remoteip:/some/folder
[4:12] <JohnRambozo> hi parkerR_
[4:13] <TAFB> reading up on scp... works with windows shares?
[4:13] <_mru_> send it /dev/zero
[4:13] <JohnRambozo> I was very excited to recieve my pi yesterday, finally.
[4:13] <TAFB> i do have ftp server on my network
[4:13] <TAFB> congrats John :)
[4:13] <JohnRambozo> only to find they shipped me an incompatible flash card.
[4:13] <ParkerR_> TAFB, It access the Pi over ssh. Has nothing to do with samba
[4:13] <ParkerR_> *accesses
[4:13] <_mru_> ssh-based transports will probably max out the poor little cpu before hitting network limits
[4:14] * JohnRambozo remembers when 33mhz was enough.
[4:14] <JohnRambozo> thanks tafb
[4:14] <_mru_> back then 10Mbps was a fast network too
[4:14] <JohnRambozo> true
[4:14] <Lobs> _mru_: are you who i think you is?
[4:15] <_mru_> and people had heard of token ring
[4:15] <JohnRambozo> haha good point.
[4:15] <axion> TAFB: for i in $(seq 999); do wget -O /dev/null http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test500.zip; done
[4:16] <axion> downloads 500MB 999 times :)
[4:16] <_mru_> if you want to stress the network, you should probably access something local
[4:16] <JohnRambozo> i ordered a 2 pack of verified working sd cards. just waiting for those to show up.
[4:16] <TAFB> ok, going to try: ftp> put "|dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100" /dev/null
[4:16] <TAFB> to my local networked FTP server
[4:16] <JohnRambozo> any suggestions for what do to with my new toy?
[4:16] <bin_bash> JohnRambozo, have you tried putting it in your butthole
[4:16] <_mru_> and you should probably run some data both ways too
[4:17] <TAFB> without an SD card? not much Jogn.
[4:17] <_mru_> bin_bash: people have been banned from here for less
[4:17] <bin_bash> oh... sorry.
[4:17] <_mru_> wonder if ReggieUK saw that...
[4:17] <JohnRambozo> bin_bash, I have not. do you recommend a smooth case or just the raw board.
[4:17] <TAFB> John: Here is my Pi, workin as webserver, e-mail, etc: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
[4:17] <bin_bash> LOL JohnRambozo ^5 for having a sense of humor. Maybe a nice wooden case.
[4:18] <bin_bash> JohnRambozo, you could use it as a web or email server
[4:18] <bin_bash> or media server, with xmbc
[4:18] <Lobs> bin_bash: i hear silicone rubber works well.
[4:18] <JohnRambozo> yeah, originally i inteded to use it as a silent, low-power BBS.
[4:18] <axion> well sanded of course
[4:18] <bin_bash> LOL Lobs
[4:18] <bin_bash> BBS' are legit.
[4:18] <bin_bash> what kind of bbs?
[4:18] <JohnRambozo> synchronet.
[4:18] <TAFB> i used to run a bbs, when I was 9 :)
[4:18] <TAFB> i remember using Telix to connect in
[4:18] <bin_bash> I run an irc
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[4:19] <JohnRambozo> i had a nice setup on my desktop for a while and actually acquired several loyal users.
[4:19] <rikkib> Dec 10 15:23:37 raspberrypi kernel: [ 3003.858978] uvcvideo: Non-zero status (-5) in video completion handler.
[4:19] <rikkib> Dec 10 15:23:38 raspberrypi motion: [1] v4l2_next: VIDIOC_DQBUF: EIO (s->pframe 2): Input/output error
[4:19] <JohnRambozo> amazing in this day and age.
[4:19] <JohnRambozo> but then that kind of occupies my pi.
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[4:20] <JohnRambozo> should i fall in line and learn to code?
[4:20] <JohnRambozo> very cool web/email server.
[4:20] <JohnRambozo> tafb.
[4:21] <TAFB> thanks :) will run for 6.5 days on battery backup. I have a nice case coming for it too.
[4:21] <JohnRambozo> awesome.
[4:22] <TAFB> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/110984616925
[4:22] <JohnRambozo> oh very nice.
[4:22] <JohnRambozo> i just got the cheapest one i could find at the place i ordered my pi.
[4:23] <JohnRambozo> i have to get a nice looking one soon.
[4:23] <JohnRambozo> i just wanted something to throw it in for now.
[4:24] <axion> http://www.polycase.com/pi-series
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[4:26] <ParkerR_> axion, Neat
[4:26] <JohnRambozo> cool.
[4:27] <JohnRambozo> its almost too... something..
[4:27] <JohnRambozo> ergonomic?
[4:27] <JohnRambozo> lacks presence. :)
[4:28] <axion> isnt that the point of the pi?
[4:28] <TAFB> the Pi deserves to be noticed. Look, I'm SMALL but can do BIG things!
[4:29] <JohnRambozo> i agree with tafb. ;)
[4:29] <JohnRambozo> I designed this case on tinkercad. I don't know if it would really print.
[4:29] <JohnRambozo> https://tinkercad.com/things/kBbC5oR5RPV-snapfit-raspberry-pi-snapcase-ii-w-gpio-port
[4:29] <ParkerR_> Wat
[4:29] <TAFB> nice.
[4:29] <ParkerR_> It's cheaper then the Pi
[4:29] <ParkerR_> <3
[4:30] <ParkerR_> *than
[4:30] <TAFB> unlike my case, double the cost of the Pi
[4:30] <mdim> anyone managed to get some login manager running with Arch Linux ARM on RPi?
[4:30] <JohnRambozo> haha. i saw that tafb.
[4:30] <TAFB> i like that case, lots of ventalation
[4:30] <CelticTurnip> I'd love to get that Pibow case Adafruit had made... http://www.adafruit.com/products/1037
[4:30] <CelticTurnip> if that ever comes back on the market I'm getting some
[4:30] <JohnRambozo> i am looking for a found object i can convert to a case. maybe a snes cartridge.
[4:31] <ParkerR_> I made a case from an Altoids tin
[4:31] <axion> maybe a gamepad (that works)?
[4:33] <TAFB> John: Says 32 people ordered prints of that RasPi case, so it must print OK :)
[4:34] <JohnRambozo> Well, it says ordered prints if you check the price at a printing site.
[4:34] <JohnRambozo> So its hard to say if any really printed.
[4:34] <TAFB> ahhhhhhh i see
[4:34] <JohnRambozo> But thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice.
[4:35] <JohnRambozo> Well, nice meeting you all. I need to sleep. I'll be idling here the rest of my life.
[4:35] <JohnRambozo> well, not always idling.
[4:35] <TAFB> nite nite sleep good
[4:35] <JohnRambozo> you as well.
[4:35] <JohnRambozo> thanks
[4:37] <ParkerR_> http://min.us/meoLNNtNjML1o <-- Altoids case
[4:38] <TAFB> ^^ nice
[4:39] <ParkerR_> Sacrificed the composite port but I don't use it anyways
[4:39] <axion> looks like a heat trap
[4:39] <ParkerR_> axion, I don't leave that sheet of foam in there when in use
[4:40] <ParkerR_> Just for transport to keep if from moving
[4:40] <axion> reminds me of the cmoy
[4:40] <axion> nice job
[4:41] <ParkerR_> Thanks.
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[4:48] <ParkerR_> Also wating for the Atrix lapdock I ordered to be shipped.
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[4:48] <ParkerR_> Got the label confirmation a few days ago but still hasn't been sent out
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[4:52] <mrhobbz> anyone tried this asterisk image for the pi yet?
[5:02] <tonsofpcs> nope
[5:02] <tonsofpcs> didn't know one existed
[5:02] <tonsofpcs> I still need to hook up my standalone skype plug-in thing....
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[5:52] <nahmaste> anyone know of a front end that will start on boot, allowing certain programs to be started from a controller (similar to an HTPC)?
[5:53] <nahmaste> something outside of X if possible, or at least that will drop out of X when the target program is started (for performance reasons)
[5:53] <ParkerR_> nahmaste, There is an emulation thing that looks for roms in certain folder and can launch emualtors from there. Can use a controller to navigate the program
[5:53] <ParkerR_> *emulators
[5:54] <nahmaste> whats it called?
[5:54] <axion> wahcade
[5:54] <ParkerR_> https://github.com/petrockblog/RetroPie-Setup
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[5:54] <ParkerR_> In the setup it has an option to start emulationstation on boot
[5:54] <nahmaste> ty, ill check those two out
[5:55] <ParkerR_> And no X needed at all
[5:55] <ParkerR_> Uses framebuffer
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[6:00] <tonsofpcs> hey, how can I figure out if I'm on an "A" or "B" card from a console?
[6:02] <echelon> check the size of memory?
[6:03] <echelon> /proc/meminfo
[6:03] <echelon> are A models even available yet?
[6:04] <tonsofpcs> well, i'm a bit confused. How much RAM should I have on the B?
[6:04] <Ben64> 256 or 512
[6:06] <tonsofpcs> is there a way I can tell 256 or 512 by looking at the board?
[6:07] <bin_bash> wait how do you have voice if you don't even know that
[6:07] <bin_bash> on the ram chip it'll say 2g or 4g. if it says 2g, it's 256. if it says 4g, it's 512
[6:07] <tonsofpcs> because I just ordered two 512s, I had one already that I think was 256, raspbian's raspi-config gives me the 256M options....
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[6:09] <tonsofpcs> I can't read that :-p
[6:09] <bin_bash> well that's how you tell.
[6:10] <nahmaste> axion: wahcade looks pretty nice, but do you know if it works on raspbian wheezy?
[6:11] <tonsofpcs> (also, I'm hating these bubbly red cases, the tiny black one I had is much awesomer... wouldn't have gotten them if MCM had bare boards in-stock)
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[6:12] <tonsofpcs> ah, yes, I can read it now :) this one says 4G... *goes to check the other two*
[6:12] <axion> nahmaste: it should
[6:12] <nahmaste> doesnt XMBC allow you to add emulators? that runs on rpi, doesnt it?
[6:12] <ParkerR_> Yes
[6:13] <axion> xbmc has a plugin that allows you to spawn external programs or emulators, yes
[6:13] <ParkerR_> But the overhead of running XBMC and an emualtor would be too mcuh for it
[6:13] <ParkerR_> *emulator
[6:13] <ParkerR_> *much
[6:13] <nahmaste> so the emulator runs on top of XBMC?
[6:13] <ParkerR_> It may exit and relaunch
[6:13] <ParkerR_> Not entirely sure
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[6:14] <tonsofpcs> I haven't tried on the pi, but my last use of XBMC the 'external' plugins would just hide it, not end it. Eats RAM that way...
[6:15] <ParkerR_> Yeah that's what I was thinking
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[6:18] <ParkerR_> What... http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[6:23] <ParkerR_> Testing this
[6:25] <tonsofpcs> 100.0 doesn't work too well for digital tuned radios in the states...
[6:26] <bin_bash> i wonder. can you power a raspberry pi from a cigarette lighter?
[6:26] <SophieRxx> if you lower the voltage, not sure about the amps though
[6:26] <tonsofpcs> sure, why not.
[6:26] <ParkerR_> I have an older radio with a knob
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[6:26] <tonsofpcs> most can provide > 2A @ 12V
[6:27] <SophieRxx> just got to drop the volts then :)
[6:27] <mdim> so, when I press play in xbmc for some movie, the movie starts, but I see only the console
[6:27] <SpeedEvil> use a USB 'charger'
[6:27] <mdim> any clue why?
[6:27] <SpeedEvil> simples
[6:27] <tonsofpcs> SophieRxx: or buy one of those $5 voltage-regulators-with-usb-socket that they sell at the little mall kiosks selling cellphone accessories
[6:28] <tonsofpcs> mdim: because you're trying to use a really bloated video player on a really underpowered computer?
[6:28] <tonsofpcs> or perhaps you're trying to watch "The Matrix"?
[6:29] <tonsofpcs> :)
[6:30] <mdim> wrong guess
[6:30] <tonsofpcs> ParkerR_: when you're ready to try stereo, let me know. It's fun math... really..... (I wonder how fast the pi can handle FFTs....)
[6:30] <mdim> i'm trying to watch big buck bunny
[6:30] * tonsofpcs should download that one of these days
[6:30] <SophieRxx> I agree
[6:32] <tonsofpcs> meanwhile, my pis are upgrade raspbian and I need to sleep. Good night .
[6:32] <tonsofpcs> *upgrading
[6:32] <SophieRxx> night
[6:33] <ParkerR_> Ogod
[6:33] <ParkerR_> IT works!
[6:33] <ParkerR_> This is kinda cool
[6:33] <ParkerR_> tonsofpcs, Night
[6:35] <mdim> what's the diff between Arch Linux ARM's packages xbmc-rbp-git and xbmc-rbp-git-next?
[6:35] <mdim> I see it even wants to change raspberrypi-firmware package
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[6:38] <axion> -next is experimental, and requires -next kernel and firmware
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[6:50] <ParkerR_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MopPJewZPk
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[7:00] <mdim> I can't watch movies that have mpeg4 video. Is there anything I can install in Arch Linux ARM?
[7:00] <bin_bash> vlc?
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[7:04] <bin_bash> mdim, afaik vlc was ported
[7:05] <ParkerR_> omxplayer
[7:05] <ParkerR_> And if the moeg4 is in the h.264 format you need to buy a codec
[7:05] <ParkerR_> *mpeg4
[7:06] <n1ko> you dont need to buy anything for h264
[7:06] <ParkerR_> Oh nvm
[7:06] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[7:06] <ParkerR_> I was thing if mpeg-2
[7:06] * ParkerR_ slaps himself
[7:06] <nahmaste> ls
[7:06] <nahmaste> ww
[7:06] <n1ko> this is not the terminal you are looking for
[7:06] <n1ko> :)
[7:07] <nahmaste> :D good thing it wasnt my screensaver password
[7:07] <ParkerR_> Haha
[7:08] <ParkerR_> Better video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULk5JF_24HY
[7:09] <TAFB> that's crazy your finger can be a fm transmitter :)
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[7:09] <ParkerR_> Heh watch the second
[7:09] <TAFB> i am
[7:09] <bin_bash> so there's no way to watch youtube on the pi?
[7:09] <ParkerR_> bin_bash, Yes
[7:10] <ParkerR_> https://github.com/rjw57/yt
[7:10] <TAFB> wow, across the house, nuts. can you amp the output from the Pi?
[7:10] <bin_bash> what about hulu
[7:10] <axion> ParkerR_: now get stereo at an acceptable samplerate :)
[7:10] <ParkerR_> TAFB, I could attach a better antenna
[7:10] <ParkerR_> bin_bash, Maybe in XBMC but thats a big maybe
[7:10] <ParkerR_> Hulu in XBMC on regular computers is spotty
[7:11] <TAFB> get on it. make it so powerful I can take over regular radio stations (99.9fm would be handy). then, while I'm driving to work, everyone on the highway has to listen to MY music!
[7:11] <ParkerR_> Haha
[7:11] <ParkerR_> In mono 44.1khz :P
[7:11] <TAFB> mono is fine, 44.1khz is CD quality baby!
[7:12] <ParkerR_> TAFB, It can apparently be adjusted a bit. Somebody got it working on 90mhz
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[7:12] <TAFB> nice
[7:12] <ParkerR_> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/14k5o3/raspberry_pi_fm_transmitter_with_no_additional/
[7:13] <axion> 6 bit upsampled though
[7:13] <TAFB> yikes, 6 bit
[7:13] <axion> yeah 9.5 upsampled
[7:13] <TAFB> it's like minecraft, but audio
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[7:14] <ParkerR_> "Note, code quality is: Completely Hacked Together" Haha
[7:14] <axion> AM radio is 8bit
[7:14] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[7:15] <ParkerR_> This just made the Pi that much cooler
[7:15] <ParkerR_> Going to convert a song now
[7:16] <axion> pc-less mpd client :)
[7:16] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[7:16] <ParkerR_> :D
[7:16] <axion> if only sound was acceptable to my audiophile standards
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[7:16] <axion> all my stuff is lossless vinyl rips
[7:16] <ParkerR_> axion, You'll have to lower them just for this :P
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[7:17] <TAFB> some of my vinyl rips: http://ecuflashking.com/music/Michael%20Jackson%20-%20HIStory%20%281995%29%20%5BVinyl%5D%20%2824bit-192kHz%29/Part%20I%20History%20Begins/
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[7:19] <TAFB> this track was recorded right in "hd" :) http://ecuflashking.com/music/Jack%20Johnson%20-%20Sleep%20Through%20The%20Static/10%20-%20Go%20On.flac
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[7:23] <ParkerR_> Weird
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[7:24] <ParkerR_> It plays my converted song very slowly
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[7:25] <brady2600> ok i came back to try to give it another go , i mean, im just totally depressed over this. I've spent the week on this and i can't believe im looking at having to reformat and start all over.
[7:25] <ParkerR_> And I split it with audacity, deleted the second track, made sure it was at 44.1khz, and exported at 16bit wav
[7:25] <brady2600> i just like, can't bring myself to format the sd card
[7:26] <ParkerR_> brady2600, What happened?
[7:26] <brady2600> when i try to run the arduino ide , i get some sort of error
[7:27] * axion grabs his crystal ball
[7:27] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[7:27] <ParkerR_> Maybe just something with the arm build of the ide
[7:27] <ParkerR_> Does everything else work?
[7:27] <brady2600> well i can run it if you give me a little and i can tell you exactly what is happening
[7:27] <ParkerR_> Ok
[7:28] <brady2600> yes, i configured the thing, set up a web server, did no-ip , set up a ftp server, i even already used the arduino ide.. i just don't know but at some point it got messed up
[7:28] * kripton is now known as Kripton
[7:28] <brady2600> one second ill go put the sd card in and boot it up
[7:29] <TAFB> brady, got a link for settinig up no-ip? I need that (going to use pancake and php for the web) :)
[7:31] <brady2600> http://www.stuffaboutcode.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-access-from-internet-using.html
[7:31] <TAFB> sweet, thanks so much
[7:31] <brady2600> i had to do something else i believe to get it to autostart
[7:31] <brady2600> but im sure you can find an autostart guide online
[7:32] <brady2600> ok going to ssh into the pi
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[7:33] <brady2600> first I do : ssh raspberrypi@192.168.1.99 -L 5901:localhost:5901
[7:34] <ParkerR_> axion, Well I tried http://withg.org/parkerlreed/garth.wav
[7:34] <brady2600> then i run vncserver to get the vnc going
[7:34] <axion> ParkerR_: ok?
[7:34] <brady2600> then in a new terminal window, i do : xtightvncviewer 127.0.0.1:1
[7:34] <ParkerR_> axion, Slow playback on the Pi
[7:35] <ParkerR_> I didn't know if you had messed with the FM transmitter thing at all
[7:35] <axion> indeed the code was a quick hack and parts of it need to be a kernel driver
[7:35] <brady2600> ok so that gets me into my pi
[7:35] <axion> start hacking the kernel :)
[7:35] <ParkerR_> Heh
[7:35] <brady2600> then in the terminal, i run arduino
[7:36] <mdim> how to change system time zone?
[7:36] <ParkerR_> mdim, Depends on distro
[7:36] <brady2600> the first thing that comes up is xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1"
[7:36] <axion> usually by creating a symlink to /etc/localtime
[7:37] <brady2600> then there are a number of java exceptions that come up after that
[7:37] <ParkerR_> brady2600, Run it from a terminal inside vnc
[7:37] <brady2600> yes, i am
[7:37] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[7:37] <brady2600> i have tried to install the xlib thing, but that didnt seem to fix it
[7:37] <ParkerR_> Well ok. First things first. This is most likely not an SD card issue, so don't worry about reformatting
[7:38] <brady2600> no i was going to reformat cause ive been trying to fix this and im feeling hopeless
[7:38] <axion> do you have libxrandr, randrproto and xorg-xrandr?
[7:38] <axion> or your distros equivalent packages
[7:38] <ParkerR_> brady2600, Try gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[7:38] <brady2600> i am not sure if i have those
[7:39] <axion> install the full of xorg
[7:39] <ParkerR_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=16598&p=167551
[7:39] <brady2600> its weird, because ive successfully run before
[7:39] <brady2600> trying gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[7:40] <ParkerR_> Might have to restart everything
[7:40] <ParkerR_> Or at least the VNC session
[7:40] <brady2600> command not found
[7:40] <ParkerR_> Nooo
[7:40] <brady2600> sudo?
[7:40] <ParkerR_> apt-cache search gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[7:40] <ParkerR_> And see if that brings anything up
[7:41] <axion> iirc pixbuf was used in gtk1
[7:41] <brady2600> gtk2-engines-pixbuf - pixbuf-based theme for GTK+ 2.x
[7:41] <ParkerR_> Its there
[7:41] <ParkerR_> sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[7:42] <ParkerR_> I forgot I had my SSH conenction up
[7:42] <brady2600> ok just ran that, its doing stuff
[7:43] <ParkerR_> Also on an unrelated note. I wish there was a arm port of vnc4server
[7:43] <TAFB> I use x11vnc, works so sweet.
[7:43] <ParkerR_> Runs a separate X session and serves it up via VNC
[7:43] <TAFB> couldn't get tightvnc to work.
[7:43] <ParkerR_> TAFB, I don't have any existing x server to piggyback on
[7:44] <ParkerR_> I don't use X at all actually
[7:44] <TAFB> i see
[7:44] <brady2600> i had a pain in the ass getting tightvnc working, for some reason i couldn't get one of my ports open, so i then just did the tightvnc over ssh and it works, although im still considering investigating x11
[7:44] <ParkerR_> vnc4server is nice because it runs X just for VNC
[7:44] <axion> just edit sshd_config, uncomment 1 line, now you can run X apps over ssh, or your full x desktop
[7:44] <ParkerR_> axion, Seriously
[7:44] <ParkerR_> Wow
[7:44] <axion> no need for vnc...if its too slow, change the compression/cipher (pi is quite slow)
[7:44] <ParkerR_> What line?
[7:45] <axion> AllowX11Forwarding or such
[7:45] <axion> let me check
[7:45] <ParkerR_> Neat. I personally don't have much use for it
[7:45] <ParkerR_> Got most everything working in framebuffer
[7:45] <brady2600> yeah, at one point, i had managed to get an x application to run over ssh, but i never managed to get it to show the whole X session
[7:45] <axion> X11Forwarding yes
[7:45] <axion> restart ssh
[7:45] <brady2600> ParkerR, it has finished
[7:46] <brady2600> should i reboot?
[7:46] <axion> launch any x with ssh -X /remote/path/to/app
[7:46] <axion> err
[7:46] <brady2600> yes but , how would one display the whole desktop with X?
[7:47] <brady2600> just ran arduino , still same error
[7:47] <axion> ssh -X user@host startxfce4, or whatever your desktop environment
[7:47] <brady2600> should i restart?
[7:47] <ParkerR_> I guess
[7:47] <ParkerR_> axion, Interesting
[7:48] <brady2600> what would the desktop enviroment be on raspbian?
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[7:49] <axion> not sure there, i use Arch
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[7:49] <axion> and nothing is installed by default
[7:50] <ParkerR_> :| no arm builds http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/vnc4server
[7:51] <brady2600> yeah.. its still giving the same error.
[7:52] <axion> pastebin full log
[7:52] <brady2600> like what displays when i run it in the terminal?
[7:52] <ParkerR_> Heh vnc4server is just a perl script
[7:52] <ParkerR_> Uses Xvnc as a base
[7:53] <ParkerR_> http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/vnc4server
[7:53] <ParkerR_> Can't seem to find a git repo
[7:53] <brady2600> http://pastebin.com/WHSi8iGh
[7:54] <brady2600> the people in the java room say its not a java problem
[7:55] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[7:56] <axion> it could be a java implementation problem
[7:56] <axion> are you using oracle, openjdk, etc?
[7:56] <TAFB> alright, 2am. off to bed. going to run vnc on this and see if it can transcode 720p live streams flawless: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135235611947&tab_idx=1
[7:56] <brady2600> openjdk, i have tried uninstalling it , reinstalling it
[7:56] <TAFB> good luck brady!
[7:56] <brady2600> thanks.. i need it.
[7:57] <TAFB> sounds like it. I was upset when I couldn't get screen blanking to stop. lol. you have a more serious problem.
[7:58] <brady2600> could this have something to do with more than one vncserver running?
[7:58] <axion> as a test, create a new linux account and try running it as that user. or do it quickly as root
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[7:59] <brady2600> i have an alternate account i could try
[7:59] <axion> a fresh home directory is key
[8:00] <axion> to make sure its not local config issue
[8:00] <axion> and indeed a system wide problem
[8:02] <brady2600> humm i will have to look up the commands for creating a new user
[8:02] <nahmaste> great news gents
[8:02] <nahmaste> my arm cross compiler works :D
[8:06] * axion crosses arms
[8:08] <brady2600> ok i have added the user john
[8:09] <brady2600> but im concerned , because i believe my vncserver automatically uses the user raspberrypi
[8:09] <axion> your vncserver will run as the user you run it as
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[8:12] <brady2600> ok logged in as john
[8:13] <brady2600> error executing command as another user: Not authorized
[8:13] <brady2600> this incident has been reported
[8:13] <brady2600> then it does the xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display "1" , etc
[8:16] <brady2600> i should point out that the vnc window title is " tightvnc: johns x desktop (raspberrypi:)
[8:17] <brady2600> doesn't that mean im on raspberrypi's desktop , logged in as john?
[8:17] <brady2600> axion: ?
[8:19] <brady2600> ParkerR: any ideas?
[8:25] <brady2600> ill offer a reward of two bitcoins for anyone who can solve my problem.
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[8:32] <brady2600> hold on
[8:32] <nahmaste> anyone know what the default power management settings are in raspbian wheezy? my pi will stop responding to pings and ssh after a period of inactivity
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[8:32] <brady2600> could this have anything to do with the .Xauthority?
[8:33] <brady2600> axion: do you think this could have anything to do with my .Xauthority file?
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[9:08] <CelticTurnip> hey all
[9:11] <brady2600> celticturnip!
[9:11] <brady2600> please be my hero!
[9:11] <brady2600> hold on one second
[9:13] <frikinz> nahmaste: you tried iw dev wlan0 set power_save on ?
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[9:13] <DarkTherapy> morning all
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[9:14] <frikinz> nahmaste: iw dev wlan0 get power_save <param> . not sure what the param could be
[9:15] <brady2600> when i run arduino i get the following error : Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1"
[9:16] <frikinz> probably more a warning?
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[9:16] <brady2600> no, the application does not load
[9:16] <brady2600> its followed by a number of java errors
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[9:17] <brady2600> Celticturnip: what do you think?
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[9:21] <CelticTurnip> brady2600: any more error messages?
[9:22] <CelticTurnip> sorry on the phone to our database admin
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[9:27] <brady2600> its cool , was helping my wife, yes there is a string of java errors , i could pastebin it if you like
[9:28] <CelticTurnip> I'll /msg you
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[9:49] <brady2600> just in case if someone else can take a look : http
[9:49] <brady2600> http:://pastebin.com/Yakvg5Rj
[9:50] <Ed_> is this about GLX?
[9:51] <Ed_> raspberry hasnt GLX (acceleration for X window) yet
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[9:54] <brady2600> anyone have any ideas by looking at my pastebin? ill offer a reward of two bitcoins for anyone that can get my arduino IDE running
[9:54] <frikinz> did you try as root?
[9:55] <brady2600> using sudo?
[9:55] <brady2600> or logging in as root?
[9:55] <frikinz> sudo -i
[9:55] <frikinz> and then start
[9:57] <brady2600> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyEception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError
[9:58] <frikinz> sudo -i; ln -s ~user_that_startedX/.Xauthority
[9:58] <frikinz> this will allow root to have the MIT cookie of user everytime.
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[10:02] <brady2600> same error results in launching the arduino ide
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[10:02] <frikinz> so not a directory permission error
[10:03] <frikinz> do other java apps work?
[10:03] <Ed_> maybe has to do with Xlib ?
[10:03] <brady2600> have not tried, don't know what i would run
[10:03] <brady2600> i believe someone earlier had me reinstall Xlib
[10:03] <frikinz> brady2600: could be that your complete java is borken? is your system 64 bit?
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[10:04] <lunra> Are you using SSH X forwarding?
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[10:04] <brady2600> i am using ssh , i am not currently using xforwarding
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[10:05] <brady2600> i have tried removing / reinstalling java
[10:05] <Jck_true> Doesn't java require the SF build of debian?
[10:05] <lunra> Try ssh -XY <host>
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[10:06] <brady2600> the arduino IDE has run previously, i mean it was working for about a week
[10:06] <axion> -Y is a specialization of -X. no need for both
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[10:06] <brady2600> wait.. should i run this from the vnc session, or should i run it where i originally ssh
[10:07] <lunra> axion: thanks for the headsup, I thought you did need both :)
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[10:08] <axion> you rarely need -Y instead of -X
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[10:09] <lunra> -Y disables something to do with security that I admit I don't fully understand. and it probably shouldn't be used, but it's fixed it on trusted hosts for me
[10:09] <axion> i remember the xeyes application from x11r6 having inversed colors with -X and needed -Y. i dont know of anything else
[10:09] <axion> yes, -Y is trusted forwarding and disables security controls
[10:13] <axion> you should use -Y if you trust the server
[10:13] <axion> it is actually faster than -X
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[10:15] <Jck_true> Urggh why isn't there a suitable touch only interface ready for the Pi yet :/ - FireFoxOS, Android, WebOS or Meego? :(
[10:15] <buZz> you could compile Mer for Pi
[10:16] <buZz> what touch interface do you use Jck_true ?
[10:17] <Jck_true> buZz: Haven't bought one yet - But think it's just gonna be a plain 4wire resistive touch
[10:17] <buZz> hooked up to what?
[10:17] <Jck_true> USB-HID
[10:17] <buZz> ah k
[10:18] <Jck_true> But it's mostly the software I'm worried about
[10:18] <buZz> raspi is such a limited platform :/ did you even try running chromium?
[10:18] <Jck_true> OnScreenKeyboard - Some sort of app store etc
[10:18] <buZz> well, unity comes to mind
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[10:18] <buZz> but, Mer is quite welldefined as a touchscreen interface
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[10:19] <Jck_true> buZz: I'll look that up - Never heard of it :)
[10:19] <buZz> Mer is what Meego used to be
[10:19] <axion> kde plasma?
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[10:21] <Jck_true> LXDE barely lumps away on the raspberry - Was hoping for something with graphic accelleration -
[10:21] <buZz> axion: yes
[10:21] <Jck_true> Hell the Android Broadcom demo looked golden - It's just dead now it seems
[10:22] <buZz> broadcom has no interest in giving software solutions
[10:22] <buZz> it just wants to sell chips
[10:22] <buZz> moar and moar chips
[10:22] <buZz> Jck_true: E17 might be something you want to try
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[10:25] <Jck_true> Guess I'll just kick back and wait - one of the projects should eventually reach a usable state
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[10:43] <teh_orph> yo
[10:43] <DarkTherapy> morning
[10:44] <cdan> good morning
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[10:58] <Ed_> im having some questions about SDL 2.0 EGL, and GLX
[10:58] <Ed_> anyone?
[10:59] <Weaselweb> don't ask meta question or don't ask to ask. just go ahead and wait until someone answers
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[11:02] <Ed_> ok so to the main question i have and app that uses SDL and openGL which uses GLX and this dont work on raspberrypi, so im thinking on porting to SDL 2.0 and rewrite openGL to openGLES functions, compile and relink all to avoid de GLX (Xserver) will this do the trick?
[11:03] <teh_orph> yep
[11:03] <teh_orph> avoid GLX as currently this only channels GL not GLES commands to the X server
[11:04] <teh_orph> it can support GLES but currently it doesn't (and it's quite a task too)
[11:05] <lunra> Isn't there a really annoying Pi specific init function that has to be called?
[11:05] <teh_orph> bcm_host_init or something?
[11:05] <lunra> Or does the X server take care of that? (I haven't seen anyone using gles in X but I guess I'm behind on the news, sorry)
[11:05] <teh_orph> the X server does not do that for you
[11:05] <Ed_> yep i saw on triangles.c (GLES)
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[11:09] <Ed_> such hard thing im on
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[11:21] <viric> do you have long 'uptime' in your rpis?
[11:21] <viric> two days ago, mine rebooted without command
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[11:22] <neilr> viric: depends which one. I have a headless server running Raspbian that normally stays up for weeks at a time, until I break it.
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[11:23] <Gadgetoid> Mine had months, lots of months, until I had to reboot it
[11:23] <mafi> i hate those RS guys
[11:23] <mafi> been waiting for my pi since 2 months now
[11:24] <tanuva> mafi: same here, and then I had to return it. opted for refund and ordered at farnell now, hope they despatch it these days
[11:24] <Weaselweb> lol 2 months. i ordered in mid of july and received it end of november
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[11:25] <viric> Gadgetoid: ok. v1 or v2?
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[11:26] <tanuva> they obviously didn't expect so many orders and then couldn't adapt to that
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[11:37] <v0lZy> hi
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[11:57] <BenB> hey. where on element14 can I get the cases? in the sony factory video, I see that they are already packaged with transparent case, but the element14 website says board only and I can't find the case as separate item either. I'm confused.
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[12:05] <cdan> mafi, how is this possible? Over here, in RO, I got mine on the next day after ordering it from a hobby store
[12:05] <mafi> cdan: i dont know ...
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[12:06] <mafi> cdan: i wrote them 2 emails, but never got any reply...
[12:06] <cdan> mafi, where are you ordering from ?
[12:07] <mafi> cdan: rscomponents
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[12:24] <artag> rs ship them in a plastic box, but it's pretty poor as a case. you'll have to cut a load of holes in it
[12:25] <artag> there are n+1 companies offering cases though
[12:25] <buZz> there are nice 3d printable cases on thingiverse.com
[12:25] <buZz> you can adapt them to your specific needs
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[12:26] <Ed_> i think we have rs propietary cases and are great
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[12:57] <martk100> How do I enable dynamic memory allocation in the latest Wheezy 28/10/12?
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[13:05] <markit> anyone knows if/where/when gertboard is available?
[13:05] <InControl> it isn't
[13:05] <neilr> The kits were withdrawn
[13:05] <InControl> Farnell have stopped selling the kits
[13:05] <markit> oh!
[13:05] <neilr> I think that Farnell are going to introduce ready built ones
[13:05] <markit> how is that? alterantive?
[13:05] <neilr> No idea on timescale though
[13:05] <InControl> and the assembled version isn't available yet
[13:06] <neilr> I think that Farnell worked out that it's cheaper to sell them ready built
[13:06] <markit> ok, no Christmast gift for my children then... :(
[13:06] <neilr> They're tough to build
[13:06] <neilr> lots of surface mount stuff to solder
[13:06] <InControl> No doubt by February if you are lucky knowing Farnell
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> I wish a pi kit was available
[13:06] <markit> neilr: yep, I'm good in soldering but was a bit scared about that surface mount stuff
[13:07] <neilr> Tandy bought a load of boards from Farnell and offered kits for a while, but I'm not sure if they still do.
[13:07] <InControl> Gert should have done a deal with Tandy to carry on doing the kits
[13:07] <neilr> Could be worth a check though - it's where I got mine from.
[13:08] <InControl> Gert has an exclusive deal with Farnell
[13:09] <InControl> So no more boards will be available from Tandy as Farnell have dropped the board
[13:09] <neilr> Can't help feeling that he's been a bit crapped on by Farnell. As I understand it, they didn't even tell him they were going to drop the kits from their lineup.
[13:10] <InControl> Farnell have been hopless from the start
[13:10] <neilr> Good point, well made.
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[13:10] <neilr> Not as hopeless as RS though
[13:10] <InControl> To make things worse the PiFace people have chosen an exclusive deal with Farnell as well
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[13:12] <InControl> Despite the mess Farnell made of things with the Gertboard
[13:13] <InControl> Would have thought that would have put them off
[13:13] <InControl> but apparently not, so look forward to that one being mishandled by Farnell as well
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[13:17] <artag> can't see farnell's contract with gert being binding after they stopped doing what they were contracted to do.
[13:19] <InControl> Gert seems to have no interest in offers from others
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[13:28] * neilr has a decision to ponder: make a pot of tea, or make a start on some routing policy.
[13:29] <frikinz> routing as in bgp?
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[13:30] <neilr> in this case, yup, actual BGP.
[13:30] <frikinz> Then Pot of tea first. But I don't want to influence you ;)
[13:30] <neilr> OK. You talked me into it :)
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[13:31] <frikinz> For me it's perl of coffee and I've just decided
[13:31] <frikinz> s/of/or
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[13:42] <opieng> Is it possible to plug the pi to my laptop screen using the HDMI port?
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[13:43] <Jck_true> opieng: Short answer? - No
[13:44] <opieng> oh, ok thanks
[13:44] <Jck_true> opieng: You can buy a LVDS <-> HDMI converter panel through like I did and reuse an old display
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[13:44] <opieng> how much?
[13:45] <buZz> i bought a motorola lapdock :)
[13:45] <buZz> such a nice screen!
[13:46] <buZz> just 80 euros ..
[13:46] <opieng> buZz, for the pi?
[13:46] <buZz> yes for pi
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[13:46] <buZz> but, i will replace raspi soonish with a cubieboard
[13:46] <Jck_true> opieng: I gave like 35USD I think - For the LVDS converter
[13:46] <buZz> really need something that can run a decent webbrowser
[13:47] <Jck_true> buZz: Why not just buy a 200$ Chromebook?
[13:47] <buZz> because i dont want a chromebook
[13:47] <buZz> the lapdock is my way to my ultimate dream, an upgradable laptop
[13:48] <buZz> i dont like to re-buy the same stuff over and over again
[13:48] <buZz> this will allow me to upgrade the board and keep the screen, battery, keyboard
[13:48] <buZz> chromebook imho is just some silly vendorlock-in
[13:50] <Jck_true> buZz: Looks like the Lapdocks went up in price :P
[13:51] <Jck_true> 80 ?? roughly
[13:51] <buZz> yeah, used to be 50 usd
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[13:51] <buZz> just after motorola gutted the project they went from 500 usd to 50 usd overnight
[13:51] <buZz> now they are creeping up slightly
[13:51] <buZz> then google bought motorola and motorola re-instated the entire project
[13:51] <Jck_true> 80 ?? for used :S That's sick :S
[13:51] <buZz> i payed 80 euros
[13:52] <buZz> about 65 gbp
[13:52] <buZz> for new btw
[13:52] <Jck_true> Good deal then
[13:52] <buZz> many different deals on ebay
[13:52] <buZz> it resembels a free market ;)
[13:52] <Jck_true> I got an old Acer Ferrari 15.4 inch display with a LVDS adapter
[13:52] <buZz> hmm resembles?
[13:52] <buZz> FERRARI
[13:53] <buZz> lol
[13:53] <buZz> well, thats quite cool
[13:53] <buZz> how did you figure out the LVDS pinout?
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[13:56] <opieng> I am looking for a screen like the lapdeck for the pi
[13:57] <buZz> opieng: why not the lapdock?
[13:57] <Jck_true> buZz: Oh the china company did that for me - I just mailed them the model number
[13:57] <opieng> wonder if there is anything cheaper?
[13:57] <buZz> Jck_true: ah, meh
[13:57] <buZz> opieng: usually, there are cheaper methods yes
[13:57] <opieng> what would they be?
[13:57] <buZz> i noticed some 'broken' 42" inch plasma screens were being sold for ~50 euros
[13:58] <buZz> with HDMI input
[13:58] <buZz> plasmas 'burn in' but if you leave them on for at least an hour the screen goes back to normal
[13:58] <buZz> but they nearly always have poor resolution :(
[13:59] <Jck_true> buZz: Composite displays if you're on a really low budget
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[14:00] <buZz> yeah, i bought a 10 euro USB framegrabber
[14:00] <buZz> so my x86 laptop just gets a composite input
[14:00] <buZz> have the raspi output in a window :P
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[14:02] <Jck_true> opieng: http://dx.com/p/ep-130np-professional-3-0-wide-screen-tft-lcd-with-built-in-speaker-and-rca-video-input-ntsc-pal-15001?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate
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[14:02] <Jck_true> opieng: 39USD for a 3?? inch TFT display :)
[14:03] <opieng> what would the TFT res be like?
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[14:03] <opieng> That is cool! :)
[14:03] <Jck_true> like 120x240 or something :P
[14:03] <opieng> lol :)
[14:04] <Jck_true> I kinda wanna buy one now actually... Would look better on my desk - And I could stop messing around with finding a case for that clunky 15 inch display
[14:04] <buZz> 3d printers rock :)
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[14:05] <buZz> i would love a 3" screen with HDMI input
[14:06] <Jck_true> buZz: Well I figured I would use the old laptop lid - But the Chinese decided not to provide a cable long enough - SO i figured - waht the hell i'll just take my tiny drill and cut a small whole through the lid for the cable
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[14:06] <Jck_true> Untill I discovered the "carbon fiber lid" is actually made of carbon fiber....
[14:06] <buZz> lol
[14:06] <buZz> diamond dremel time!
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[14:11] <Jck_true> buZz: No clue what todo with it now - It's mostly ruined on the inside after my attempts - And I don't dare using a proper drill
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[14:11] <Jck_true> And my dad has allready told me to put it back together because the laptop was too expensive to just destroy
[14:12] <buZz> lol
[14:12] <buZz> but its a FERRARI
[14:12] <buZz> arent they ment to fall apart so you can buy a new one?
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[14:13] <buZz> didnt they stop making 'car brand' laptops more than 4 years ago?
[14:13] <Jck_true> It's from 2005 :|
[14:14] <buZz> lol
[14:14] <Jck_true> But like 3k USD back then
[14:14] <DeliriumTremens> you vcan still buy BMW mice
[14:14] <buZz> ok, your dad is a stranger in this world
[14:14] <Jck_true> Old school I think the word is
[14:14] <buZz> no laptop survives 7 years of use
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[14:15] <Jck_true> buZz: My boss got 3 Thinkpads from 2004 ;)
[14:15] <buZz> retro
[14:15] <buZz> they should be in a museum
[14:15] <Jck_true> Yeah - More like museum artifacts
[14:16] <buZz> someone showed me this laptop today; http://oldcomputers.net/grid1101.html
[14:16] <buZz> it was _new in box_ :OOO
[14:16] <Jck_true> They get fired up for our christmas lunch - And then packed away when we are done talking about product quality
[14:16] <buZz> what is the product Jck_true ?
[14:16] <frikinz> porsche mouse: http://shop3.porsche.com/uk/lifestyle/office/wap0408100b/ ?? 60.00 :)
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[14:17] <Jck_true> buZz: Oh we make embedded hardware - Mostly PLC style stuff
[14:18] <buZz> siemens logo?
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[14:18] <buZz> PLC is those funky 'computers' ppl used to use before real computers were cheap enough to put everywhere
[14:18] <buZz> weird how they still get used :)
[14:19] <buZz> guess old habits die hard
[14:20] <Jck_true> buZz: well we just delivered a (for us) large order of 60 units for used in water pumping...
[14:20] <buZz> nice
[14:20] <Jck_true> buZz: It's mostly down to sending a technicia is outragously expensive here in denmark - So you need to make sure the hardware is reliable
[14:21] <Jck_true> Seriously - I spell like a 3 year old today
[14:21] <buZz> ah denmark :)
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[14:21] <buZz> i think everything is expensive in denmark
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[14:22] <buZz> but just 'being a PLC' hardly says anything about reliability :P
[14:24] <Jck_true> buZz: Well you should see some of the "embedded systems" we interface with... Spreads sheets on the C:\ drive of a 8 year old WinXP box logging to a mysql server on even older WinMe install
[14:24] <buZz> hahaha yes
[14:24] <buZz> well at least its reliable!
[14:24] <buZz> ahahahahahahaha
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[14:39] <markit> I want to "microintrudice" some 11 years old students to programming with 1 hour introductory lesson, Scratch seems too far from it (only graphical, they don't write code), python too complicate, I'm evaluating (on my computer) Kturtle... any other suggestion (besides raspberry availability)?
[14:41] <v0lZy> we used 'logo'
[14:42] <v0lZy> back in the early 90s
[14:42] <v0lZy> u have a triangle u tell 'go left, go right'
[14:42] <v0lZy> and it draws as you pass it instructions :D
[14:42] <v0lZy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_%28programming_language%29
[14:42] <frikinz> yes, I started with logo and basic at the same time. Not sure if logo was helpful
[14:43] <v0lZy> logos a bit usless really :D
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[14:43] <v0lZy> but it is fun when you're 11 :D
[14:44] <Weaselweb> this is what kturtle is about
[14:44] <v0lZy> just to understand what it means to program... predetermin something
[14:44] <v0lZy> what about lego's :D
[14:44] <frikinz> TO CHAIR REPEAT 4 [FD 100 RT 90] FD 200 END
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[14:49] <markit> v0lZy: kturtle is logo
[14:50] <markit> but wondering if children find it funny and interesting... these days they have full hd, 3d "real life like" games
[14:50] <markit> and they think that programming is telling the comuter "make me a brand new game that is awesome"
[14:50] <markit> give 20 instructions to a turtle to draw a square and a triangle seems not interesting for them, I fear
[14:51] <markit> so I'm asking in this channel about "real life experience" on this
[14:52] <Weaselweb> markit: I was at the same situation with my nephew. To begin I've chosen to start with kturtle to get a feeling about pgramming at all. nevertheless we played minecraft instead of doing programming last time he was there ;-)
[14:52] <Jck_true> markit: I did a things with a 15 year old kid... He seemd to like the hardware alot more than the programming... (interfacing with hardware that is)
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[14:53] <markit> Jck_true: that's why I asked about gertboard, sigh
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[14:53] <markit> also maybe doing some Android programming for their phone would be interesting (too advanced, of course, for my goals)
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[14:54] <Jck_true> markit: It's pretty damm young at age 11 :| And how long you have them for? 1 hour?
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[14:55] <Jck_true> markit: HTML? The kid I had struggled a good 2-3 hours making a basic html page with a form post on it
[14:55] <markit> Jck_true: yep, I will spend 30 minutes telling them about the purpouse of a computer (that is... being programmed!), and about Free software
[14:55] <markit> then I want to do some programming for the last 15-20 minutes
[14:55] <markit> then recap what we have done
[14:56] <Jck_true> Good luck :)
[14:56] <markit> mmm use an editor can be cumbesome... kturtle has a basic one integrated
[14:56] <markit> I've had a look also a pyturtle (or something like that) through idle
[14:56] <Weaselweb> markit: just stick to a hello world in a programming language of your choice
[14:57] <Weaselweb> but I would recommend a script language
[14:57] <Jck_true> 1 hour is really really short time with kids that age...
[14:57] <markit> Jck_true: well, better than nothing, and if the experiment works fine, maybe I can ask the school to have some hours in the afternoon for the ones really interested
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[14:58] <markit> I do want them to learn to program and just use programs, and also badly
[14:58] <markit> (teachers are ignorant themselves, so...)
[14:58] <Weaselweb> maybe you should do some math the also do during school manually. so they can get the link
[14:59] <InControl> You don't really need a gertboard to do Io stuff
[14:59] <InControl> markit: have you seen the articles in the MagPi magazine ?
[14:59] <Jck_true> I wrote the the driver for a 7segment display... Then I gave the kid a short intro on binary and how to light the 8 leds in each digit - Then I let him create the font -
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[14:59] <InControl> you can do a fair amount with just a breadboard
[15:00] <Jck_true> Which was basicly just him doing binary to hex conversion on paper for 1 hour :)
[15:00] <markit> InControl: ehm, I download it, have a brief look, tell myself "I will read carefully later" and then forgot / no time. What issue?
[15:00] <InControl> and a Pi cobbler or some male-female jumpers
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[15:00] <InControl> issues 2, 3 & 4
[15:00] <Jck_true> markit: All of them really - They provide loads of projects :)
[15:00] <satellit> another idea : use sugar on RPi most applications are python and show source: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi#Test_report_raspberrypi-fedora-remix-17-test-004.img
[15:01] <markit> "sugar"?
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[15:01] <InControl> yes all of them have electronics projects in
[15:01] <markit> InControl: I've no time for electronics, I fear
[15:02] <InControl> 2,3 & 4 are the breadboard based ones, some of the others require soldering
[15:02] <markit> maybe in a future afternoon course, where I may push children for buying their own Rpi
[15:02] <satellit> look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit software for the One Laptop per Child (OLPC)
[15:02] <markit> satellit: ah I see thanks
[15:02] <satellit> have fun
[15:02] <markit> ok, thanks a lot you all for the ideas and tips
[15:03] <satellit> works on RPi 256 "B"
[15:03] <InControl> Digital electronics is all pretty easy and I think for a lot of people get a sense of achievement from something as simple as making an LED flash
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[15:39] * JohnRambozo would like to hear what people have been doing with their Pi's.
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[15:44] <chris_99> thats not necessarily true InControl
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[15:44] <InControl> eh ?
[15:44] <DarkTherapy> my pi is in my garage..
[15:44] <chris_99> regarding digital electronics being pretty easy
[15:44] <chris_99> what about FPGA etc ;)
[15:45] <InControl> you know what I mean
[15:45] <chris_99> not really
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[15:46] <chris_99> theres also a lot of things you have to get 'right' to make things work imo
[15:46] <InControl> well simple, on off circuits are nowhere near as complicated as analogue circuits that require complex mtahs
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[15:48] <chris_99> hmm i see what you mean by certain analogue circuits being complex, but when you get into doing high precision timing with digital circuitary that's complex
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[16:07] <ryao> Why does the Raspberry Pi uses Linear Regulators to step down voltage?
[16:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> or cost
[16:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> fot*
[16:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> for* damn fingers
[16:09] <ryao> They should sell a green edition that uses switched mode regulators.
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[16:14] <tanuva> you could calculate for how long the pi would need to run to save the additional cost
[16:15] <shiftplusone> If they built a version with every feature X people requested...
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[16:15] <shiftplusone> There are plenty of options for switched mode mods.
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[16:19] <SpeedEvil> the bcm CPU sucks for power saving
[16:19] <SpeedEvil> even with no regulator loss
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[16:19] <SpeedEvil> not an issue for mains.
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> but major for battery or solar
[16:20] <chithead> in order to save power, you can undervolt the pi a bit
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[16:21] <mgottschlag> SpeedEvil: the cpu, or the software running on it? after all it is used in quite some mobile phones :)
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> it can crash at 4v is though
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> mgottschlag: no, it's not
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> mgottschlag: the arm core is used in most phones.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> not the specific chip.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> it's a set top box chip
[16:23] <linuxstb> "The BCM2835 is a cost-optimized, full HD, multimedia applications processor for advanced mobile and embedded applications"
[16:23] <linuxstb> (according to Broadcom)
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[16:23] <mgottschlag> ah, I thought I had seen some posts about galaxy/nokia smartphones using the bcm2835
[16:24] <SpeedEvil> as a comparison, the processor in my n900 draws about 2mA@4.2v in suspend to ram.
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[16:25] <SpeedEvil> the pi idles at around a hundred times that, with no suspend
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[16:26] <mgottschlag> according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore, the chips indeed are used in quite some phones
[16:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.france24.com/en/20121209-sham-ii-new-fighting-machine-syria-rebels <- now all they need now is a RPi to drive it ...
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[16:26] <mgottschlag> so, I'd say that the main issue is that suspend is just never activated
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[16:28] <SpeedEvil> the fact similar chips are in phones doesn't mean this one has low power mode
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> it's possible.
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> but given we don't have a data sheet for suspend mode
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> and it's likely it will require hardware not on the pi.
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[16:34] <ryao> SpeedEvil: The Raspberry Pi is an energy hog. :/
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> in some apps
[16:35] <buZz> hog? :D
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[16:36] <SpeedEvil> needing a $400 power supply here, (solar)
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> for mains, or a human portable device, it's much less of an issue.
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[16:40] <ryao> SpeedEvil: That sounds like an excuse for not being energy efficient. :P
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> ?
[16:41] <ryao> 10:36 < SpeedEvil> for mains, or a human portable device, it's much less of an issue.
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> it's a reason it's not an issue, in some cases.
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> in others, it's hopeless
[16:42] <SpeedEvil> but for mains, operating for a decade is needed to equal the purchase price
[16:42] <ryao> I wonder if a petition could make the Raspberry Pi foundation switch to less wasteful electronics.
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[16:44] <tanuva> that would defeat the purpose of being low cost, otherwise they'd have included such components I guess
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[16:51] <ryao> Economics of scale could drive the cost of a proper regulator down. It would never be as cheap as a linear regulator though.
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[17:16] <tanuva> yeah, RS didn't even read my mail where I had further inquiries about the return/refund of the Pi, they just sent me the text block I already knew.
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[17:20] <JohnRambozo> who waited the longest for their pi? ;)
[17:20] <JohnRambozo> I signed up to get on a list to order in April 2012. I was allowed to order in early july.
[17:20] <JohnRambozo> I just got my pi on 12/7.
[17:21] <JohnRambozo> I'm glad they doubled the system memory while I waited.
[17:21] <tanuva> i hope farnell ships my pi these days, ordered it last wednesday...
[17:21] <tanuva> [returning the broken RS one]
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[17:24] <JohnRambozo> Good luck.
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[17:30] <Davespice> anyone having problems with freenode today? I seem to get disconnected about once or twice every hour
[17:30] <Davespice> other servers are fine though <shrug>
[17:31] <shiftplusone> no problems here
[17:31] <shiftplusone> Though I guess you could look at the chat logs and see if there are more ping timeouts than usual
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[17:36] <JohnRambozo> No problems here. I've been connected for at least 12 hours.
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[17:36] <JohnRambozo> I'm on hubbard.freenode.net
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[17:37] <tonsofpcs> howdy.
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[17:39] <tonsofpcs> I figured out my memory and boot issues... had to update raspbian for memory to register, boot I just had to boot with an 'original' raspbian build (no idea why) on an SD card to runs raspi-config before the updated one... very annoying.
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[17:39] <tonsofpcs> and I still had to re-image one of my SD cards as it wouldn't boot as-was for some reason... (reimaged from an image of itself made just last week -- maybe it was used on a 512M board and the 256M board didn't like that?)
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[17:42] <JohnRambozo> I was getting the 110 error mounting the sd card on mine.
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[17:42] <JohnRambozo> I assume its because the card that got shipped isn't fully supported so I have ordered some off the list.
[17:47] <JohnRambozo> glad to hear you got it working, tonsofpcs.
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[18:26] <Torikun> oi
[18:26] <axion> o/
[18:26] <Torikun> anyone good with setting up mx record ? I want to turn my pi into a email server
[18:26] <Torikun> I got postfix/dovecot setup but cna not send mail because of DNS
[18:27] <nid0> whats the domain
[18:27] <Torikun> rusher.webhop.org
[18:27] <Torikun> errr rusher81572.dyndns.org
[18:27] <nid0> well, it has no mx record at all yet :)
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[18:28] <Torikun> dig rusher81572.dyndns.org
[18:28] <Torikun> dig rusher81572.dyndns.org
[18:28] <Torikun> rusher81572.dyndns.org. 86400 IN MX 10 mx1.rusher81572.dyndns.org.
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[18:29] <Torikun> Thatis my zone file for it
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[18:29] <nid0> have you actually reloaded the zone, as there's no mx record being returned publicly
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[18:30] <Maqs> Torikun: irc as root is evil :-) the reverse dns name should match the forward dns name, too, which is quite impossible for your setup i guess. so there is a chance that many mail servers won't accept your outbound mail. :-/
[18:30] <Torikun> nid0: does port 53 need to be open on the router?
[18:30] <Torikun> Maqs: I really just want to practice sending mail to and from my local network
[18:31] <Maqs> ok, then that should be fine :-)
[18:31] <Torikun> but the dns issue is preventing me
[18:31] <nid0> Torikun: the domain's dns is being served by dyndns.org's nameservers, its those you need to update
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[18:32] <Torikun> let me login my account and see
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[18:33] <Torikun> ok updated it in dyndns to use my domain name
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[18:34] <Torikun> What ports need to be open on firewall?
[18:35] <nid0> if you intend to use your own dns server (which the domain is not currently doing) youll need 53 open
[18:36] <Torikun> ok ty
[18:37] <Torikun> ok enabled
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[18:41] <Torikun> so for each mailserver on my network, it needs dns?
[18:41] <Torikun> I mean each mailserver needs a DNS server installed?
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[18:42] <nid0> no, why would it?
[18:42] <Torikun> Because of the errors I got sending email
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[18:43] <nid0> without you saying what errors you actually get, that's anyone's guess. you need DNS setting up to point the relevant domain's MX record to your mailserver in order to receive though, and most recipient mailservers will perform sender verification to make sure your sending domain actually points somewhere
[18:44] <nid0> and as it currently does not, most mailservers will reject mail from @rusher81572.dyndns.org addresses
[18:44] <Torikun> http://www.digwebinterface.com/?hostnames=rusher81572.dyndns.org&type=MX&ns=resolver&useresolver=8.8.4.4&nameservers=
[18:44] <Torikun> Looks like it is working now?
[18:44] <nid0> no dns setup has anything to do with running a local dns server though, you can configure dns anywhere
[18:44] <nid0> no
[18:45] <nid0> thats a default soa record being returned, you have no mx record setup for rusher81572.dyndns.org
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[18:45] <Torikun> rusher81572.dyndns.org. 86400 IN MX 10 rusher81572.dyndns.org.
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[18:45] <Torikun> That is what is in my zone
[18:45] <nid0> yes, but "your zone" is just some random text file stored on your raspberry pi, the rusher81572.dyndns.org domain doesnt use it for DNS
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[18:46] <Torikun> oh there was no mx entry with ddclient
[18:46] <Torikun> ok added it
[18:47] <Torikun> dyndns.org was updated to use rusher81572.dyndns.org for mx
[18:48] <nid0> not yet
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[18:49] <shiftplusone> O_o http://hackaday.com/2012/12/10/transmit-fm-using-raspberry-pi-and-no-additional-hardware
[18:50] <axion> old news
[18:50] <shiftplusone> not on hackaday =)
[18:50] <Torikun> so what should it look like when it works?
[18:50] <axion> it is also a very rudimentary hack
[18:50] <nid0> you'll get an MX record answer being returned
[18:50] <shiftplusone> interesting though
[18:50] <axion> (6bit audio upsampled)
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[18:51] <axion> someone needs to write a kernel driver for memory access
[18:52] <axion> then it will be useful
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[18:57] <Torikun> nid0: do I need a reverse loopup zone for it to work properly?
[18:57] <ReggieUK> depends what you need to transmit
[18:57] <Torikun> just sending and receiving email
[18:57] <nid0> Torikun: it depends. If you're planning on using it as a production mailserver you'll need to get a PTR record setup to reverse your IP, because a lot of mailservers require a forward and reverse lookup to match
[18:58] <nid0> if you're sending to a small number of known recipients/internally on your own systems, its not so neccessary
[18:58] <Torikun> I just want to send and receive email on my local network from machien to machine for testing
[18:58] <Torikun> ok
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[19:10] <adb> shit that hackaday.com ... useing flash
[19:11] * shiftplusone point to the topic
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[19:16] <buZz> adb: yeah it suqs
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[19:20] <Torikun> status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=localdomain type=A: Host not found)
[19:20] <Torikun> That is the error I get when sending mail to another local machine, I removed the public dns server and changed it local
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[19:22] <Torikun> warning: relayhost configuration problem
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[19:24] <nahmaste> fyi to anyone using a ralink usb wireless device on the rpi, it works so much better (at least for me) with power management turned off... i had issues with the pi going dark after a period of inactivity and slow/choppy ssh, and now its almost as stable as wired ethernet
[19:26] <axion> which ralink?
[19:27] <FliesLikeABrick> just got my two RPis (first ones, no past experience with them). If I plug in power and HDMI, should I see any output?
[19:27] <axion> no
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[19:27] <axion> you need an sdcard formatted properly and inserted
[19:27] <FliesLikeABrick> k
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[19:34] <nahmaste> axion: Linksys WUSB54GC v3 802.11g Adapter [Ralink RT2070L]
[19:34] <axion> ah
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[19:37] <TAFB> nahmaste: I had problems with my TP-LINK TL-WN725N constantly dropping out all the time. I bridged F3 to boost the all around voltage in the Pi (TP2-TP3 went from 4.86v to 5.01v), and ran jumper wires from F2 and D17 directly to the USB port power pins (and bridged the USB port power pins too).
[19:37] <TAFB> Now my wifi is rock solid :)
[19:37] <TAFB> Got the ideas from this page: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[19:38] <TAFB> sorry, jumper wires from F3 and D17 (not F2, lol).
[19:38] <nahmaste> TAFB: interesting. i just bought an inexpensive powered usb hub and have never had usb problems since ^_^
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[19:39] <TAFB> yeah, I wanted to keep it clean and simple, no extra hub. Works sweet now: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
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[19:40] <TAFB> I can pull 3 amps through the USB when I power it through the micro USB jack, or pull 6.5 amps through the USB if I'm back powering it (probably more, but my USB cable started to melt at 6.5 amps).
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[19:40] <buZz> lol
[19:40] <f1ps> Hi all
[19:40] <TAFB> hey fps
[19:41] <f1ps> I need some help with getting started.
[19:41] <TAFB> we're here to help
[19:41] <TAFB> imaging the SD card with a Windows PC?
[19:41] <f1ps> I got my raspberry pi working today, but I wanted to use something like GRUB
[19:41] <f1ps> so I thought the next best thing would be to use BerryBoot
[19:41] <nahmaste> TAFB: nice. if i had the EE skills id definitely do more like that
[19:41] <TAFB> ahh. never tried BerryBoot. maybe someone here can help.
[19:42] <f1ps> But after doing everything that I had to do (FAT32, copy the files over, etc) - put the SD card in the Pi and nothing happened.
[19:42] <TAFB> if the Pi can't find the boot sector/OS on the SD card, it does nothing.
[19:42] <TAFB> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[19:42] <f1ps> HDMI/DVI adapter, produces video normally, no video here. Only a red light on the front (improper kernel maybe)?
[19:42] <f1ps> Had a look and there's just the red light
[19:43] <TAFB> no green act light flashing at all?
[19:43] <f1ps> Nope
[19:43] <f1ps> Solid red only.
[19:43] <TAFB> that's your Pi saying "I can't see/read/understand what's on the SD card"
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[19:43] <f1ps> The Raspbian image worked fine earlier
[19:43] <f1ps> so I don't get what's wrong with berryboot.
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[19:44] <TAFB> I never used BB so dunno. Maybe someone else here has tried it and can help.
[19:44] <f1ps> OK, thanks for the pointer.
[19:44] <f1ps> I'll wait in here whilst I figure this out...
[19:44] <buZz> TAFB: so you did this? http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
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[19:45] <TAFB> yep! Notice how the USB power pins are "bridged" as well. Works SWEET when back powering (and great even when powering from the Micro USB jack too).
[19:45] <TAFB> I also bridged F3 (not shown in that pic), to boost the Pi voltage/current.
[19:46] <buZz> yeah i want to backpower soon
[19:46] <buZz> so i will mod it a bit
[19:46] <buZz> TAFB: do you have a page describing all the hacks you did?
[19:46] <buZz> or would you like to write one up?
[19:47] <TAFB> if you back power, you only need to bridge the USB power pins, no need for jumper wires or for bridging F3, back power = full power to the Pi, and if you bridge the USB power pins, full power to the other USB jack too :)
[19:47] <buZz> yeah but i have the polyfuses on my raspi, so backpowering will be limited to 150mA?
[19:48] <TAFB> I was going to do a sweet writeup, cause I'm a noob and think it'd help other linux noobs get started, but I dunno. They are pretty risky mods, bypassing fuses, etc.
[19:48] <axion> i demand an article to go with that link
[19:48] <TAFB> you have polyfuses by your USB ports?
[19:48] <buZz> yes please do!
[19:48] <axion> doitnao!
[19:48] <buZz> TAFB: yeah on both sides
[19:48] <nid0> well, the best way to backpower into the pi is just to make sure you have a rev2 board
[19:48] <nid0> then you're all set
[19:48] <buZz> TAFB: as in the design drawing on that one link you gave
[19:48] <buZz> i have a rev1
[19:48] <buZz> actually two rev1
[19:49] <nid0> then yes, you need to bypass them
[19:49] <TAFB> buzz, on ver2 they just ditched the poly fuses, so to get the same effect just solder a wire from one side to the other = instant Rev2!
[19:49] <buZz> :)
[19:49] <buZz> :D
[19:49] <buZz> ok ok
[19:49] <buZz> guess i'll just wing it
[19:49] <TAFB> then back powering will work peachy, full power to the Pi, plus with bridged USB power pins, full power to the other port.
[19:49] <buZz> was hoping to borrow from your experience TAFB ;)
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[19:49] <buZz> i want to hook up the raspi through a lapdock
[19:49] <TAFB> you bridge the USB power pins by soldering a wire (or just use solder), between these two pins: http://i.stack.imgur.com/LDQuV.jpg
[19:49] <TAFB> and the top two pins the same way too
[19:50] <buZz> so the power coming over usb also carries data for keyboard and mouse
[19:50] <TAFB> the middle four pins are data, don't let solder touch those.
[19:50] <buZz> backpowering makes a lot of sense then
[19:50] <buZz> yeah i figured that
[19:50] <tanuva> are the usb ports on a 512mb model "secured" by the polyfuse? or could I plug in power hungry usb devices as long as the psu makes it?
[19:50] <TAFB> buzz. If you want to back power with a USB hub, most of them you have to hack the internals, to provide power BACK through the hub's INPUT port.
[19:51] <buZz> TAFB: no, this is a motorola lapdock
[19:51] <mgottschlag> tanuva: the fuse is directly connected to the microusb connector
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[19:51] <TAFB> tanuva: there is a main poly fuse at the MicroUSB jack that limits total current to a little over 700ma. The Pi needs like 500 to 600, so if you plug anything major in the USB port it'll like just reboot your Pi or won't power the USB device properly.
[19:51] <buZz> TAFB: it has a microusb MALE plug which provides power + data to the device being connected
[19:52] <dantheman> so I just got my gert-board from element14
[19:52] <TAFB> buzz: Nice! that's be a sweet setup, power plus data on backpower. handy
[19:52] <dantheman> WTF I have to do surface mount to assemble this
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[19:52] <buZz> TAFB: yeah, will be awesome when its working ;)
[19:52] <bin_bash> what's a gert board
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[19:53] <buZz> just waiting for a microusb female to normal usb female cable
[19:53] <DarkTherapy> evening all
[19:54] <f1ps> anyone here have experience with berryboot?
[19:54] <TAFB> tanuva: if you solder a wire from one side of F3 to the other side (of F3) it'll elimante the poly fuse and provide full power to your Pi and USB ports. If you bridge the power pins on the USB port you can pull almost 400ma from a single port no problem. If you need more than 400ma (like my stupid wifi adapter) you can run a wire bridge to provide almost unlimited power to your USB jacks,
[19:54] <TAFB> like http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[19:55] <buZz> unlimited power :)
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[19:55] <TAFB> 3 amps if not back powering, I call that pretty unlimited as far as USB power goes ;)
[19:56] <tanuva> TAFB: yes, I was hoping for such a hack. but bridging the fuse completely doesn't feel right, I'd rather only bridge it to the usb ports
[19:56] <TAFB> no probs Tan, you can bridge just to usb and not bridge F3, will work fine.
[19:56] <tanuva> now I just need my pi... :)
[19:57] <TAFB> I bridged F3 because I was getting a huge voltage loss through it. Use a volt meter and measure TP2 to TP3 and see what your voltage is, then measure F3 to D17 (sides closes to board edge). The difference between the voltages is your loss through the poly fuse!
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[20:00] <DarkTherapy> here's how I bridged my fuses https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vrn64ug7bb64m8/2012-08-19%2018.17.35.jpg
[20:00] <TAFB> nice. So the resistors just increase the current, instead of direct shorting it? nice!
[20:01] <DarkTherapy> ;)
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[20:02] <TAFB> just for my info, are all 512mb boards Rev2 boards (no USB poly fuses)?
[20:02] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how much skill one would need to remove the polyfuses blocking power from the USB ports
[20:02] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[20:02] <GabrialDestruir> As far as I know they should be.
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[20:02] <viric> what are those fuses for?
[20:02] <TAFB> to limit current to the USB port. Serves a couple of purposes.
[20:03] <GabrialDestruir> They prevent a current from flowing back into the Pi too
[20:03] <viric> ah ok.
[20:03] <TAFB> 1) stops the Pi from rebooting when you plug in a high drain device
[20:03] <dantheman> ok anyone here actually work with the Rpi people?
[20:03] <viric> I've a v2 board
[20:03] <GabrialDestruir> Unofficial chat
[20:03] <dantheman> cause I thought the gert board was going to be sold fully populated and sold as a kit with the SMT items already in place
[20:04] <TAFB> v2 board is nice for provide more USB power, but if you hot plug a higher drain device it'll reboot the Pi :(
[20:04] <axion> what if C6 broke off? will your mod still work?
[20:04] <viric> does your OK/ACT led flash all the time?
[20:04] <dantheman> cause fuck this noise if I have to SMT solder this bullshit
[20:04] <dantheman> ]
[20:04] <viric> (raspbian, doing nothing)
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[20:04] <GabrialDestruir> Language
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[20:05] <dantheman> this is IRC get used to it
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[20:05] <GabrialDestruir> Then get use to getting a boot from this room for violating the rules.
[20:05] <axion> you will be banned from this channel
[20:06] <axion> get used to it
[20:06] <TAFB> dan: because the Pi is a learning device, some young children come here to get advice so we need to keep it clean.
[20:06] <GabrialDestruir> This is a room which may or may not have children in it, because while it is an unofficial channel it has been OK'd by the Foundation, meaning they'll come here for advice.
[20:06] <ohhmaar> So after a few days of turning on my raspi and configuring/setup it was never on consistently because i kept unplugging. Yesterday I had it on the entire day and either my micro usb cable is messed up or the raspi messed it up for me
[20:07] <ohhmaar> What's the most I should pay for a micro usb cable?
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[20:07] <TAFB> I paid $12 for a super thick high current one.
[20:07] <TAFB> Turned out that wasn't the issue, my Pi was defective :(
[20:07] <GabrialDestruir> I still haven't decided if I want to invest in a laptop dock setup .-.
[20:07] <viric> I payed 8,5??? for a 220V-5V one.
[20:07] <dantheman> GabrialDestruir: then boot me
[20:07] <TAFB> I'm using it now though, with a super high amp USB 5v feed. Works sweet.
[20:07] <dantheman> children ha
[20:08] <dantheman> they speak worse than I do
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[20:09] <viric> it's also worth learning, how to use forbidden words without being taken as an idiot.
[20:10] <TAFB> axion: Just saw your question about C6. I dunno cause my C6 survived shipping and all my modding. I know the Pi people used a really really crappy cap for C6, part of the reason hot plug is so flakey.
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[20:10] <dantheman> oh wow forbidden words
[20:10] <axion> yes heard it doesnt even make a difference with a bad psu anyway
[20:10] <viric> well, given the 'advices' I've seen here, they look like forbidden. :)
[20:10] <dantheman> viric: I'm pushing the openFrameworks for Pi development and already have decent GLES2 renderer and sound and a few other things working outside of X11
[20:11] <viric> dantheman: clean your mouth
[20:11] <viric> ;)
[20:11] <dantheman> I came here to see if anyone from the foundation was around as to complain about the gertboard
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[20:11] <dantheman> as I just got it in the mail 5 months after ordering and its a bag full of surface mount parts
[20:11] <dantheman> like WTF
[20:11] <TAFB> I saw someone build a gertboard in like 2 mins on youtube, I think it was time lapse video maybe
[20:12] <dantheman> yeah right
[20:12] <TAFB> dan: didn't you watch the youtube vid? :)
[20:12] <dantheman> what youtube
[20:12] <dantheman> I expected this 2 months ago
[20:12] <GabrialDestruir> and to apparently pollute the channel with foul language and be a troll in general apparently. The gertboard vid I saw was definitely a timelapse. lol
[20:12] <TAFB> it's on rasberry's site, one sec.
[20:12] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that's timelapsed.
[20:12] <Muzer> gah
[20:12] <Muzer> imperial college don't know best practice when making tars.
[20:12] <TAFB> http://vimeo.com/52334414#at=0
[20:12] <dantheman> when they said it would be delivered then was delayed cause it had to go through FCC testing (which implied it would be populated)
[20:13] <dantheman> like really
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[20:13] <dantheman> GabrialDestruir: get over yourself
[20:13] <axion> ReggieUK
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[20:21] <f1ps> does anyone have experience with berryboot?
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[20:21] <JohnRambozo> I have 1 bad experience. ;)
[20:21] <TAFB> lol
[20:21] <JohnRambozo> I think its a bad sd card.
[20:21] <f1ps> It isn't working for me either
[20:21] <JohnRambozo> and by bad, I mean incompatible.
[20:21] <JohnRambozo> Does it say unable to mount?
[20:21] <f1ps> I just get a red light on the Pi
[20:21] <f1ps> nothing else
[20:22] <f1ps> no config files, anything
[20:22] <JohnRambozo> oh, then I don't know about that.
[20:22] <f1ps> *log
[20:22] <f1ps> it's a pain
[20:22] <TAFB> you said you were running Raspbian on the same card no? must be compatible.
[20:22] <JohnRambozo> did you format your card to fat first?
[20:22] <f1ps> FAT32?
[20:22] <f1ps> yes
[20:22] <TAFB> nope, FAT16/FAT
[20:22] <JohnRambozo> okay.
[20:22] <JohnRambozo> well there ya go.
[20:22] <TAFB> or is it fat32? lol
[20:23] <f1ps> Raspbian works on FAT32
[20:23] <JohnRambozo> I dont think it matters for berryboot. But don't quote me on that.
[20:23] <JohnRambozo> raspbian reformats the drive to linux.
[20:23] <JohnRambozo> and leaves a small fat partition.
[20:23] <f1ps> Yes, Raspbian works on the card
[20:23] <TAFB> we're talking the bootberry code though, I think it needs FAT16 to boot.
[20:23] <f1ps> Does it?
[20:23] <f1ps> I tried that
[20:23] <JohnRambozo> you have raspbian on the same card already?
[20:23] <f1ps> No
[20:23] <JohnRambozo> oh ok
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[20:24] <f1ps> I removed it in facour of the now-seemingly-fail booter
[20:24] <f1ps> *favour
[20:24] <JohnRambozo> heh
[20:24] <JohnRambozo> it loaded fine on my incompatible card, it just couldn't mount the card.
[20:24] <f1ps> right, let's try this with fat16
[20:24] <JohnRambozo> i didn't do anything special to it.
[20:24] <TAFB> yeah, try FAT16, i'm 92.3% sure FAT32 won't boot
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[20:26] <TAFB> yep, confirmed, FAT32 = no go.
[20:26] <f1ps> It's a 16GB card though
[20:26] <f1ps> FAT only uses 4GB - oh wait
[20:26] <f1ps> nvm
[20:26] <viric> make a small partition
[20:26] <viric> for fat16
[20:26] <TAFB> no probs, berryboot will create linux partiotions and expand to fill
[20:26] <f1ps> Like 1GB or how big?
[20:27] <f1ps> ah, good, ty
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[20:27] <TAFB> i don't see a size requirment for berryboot, I'd do 2gb to be safe :)
[20:27] <f1ps> 4GB as a precaution.
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[20:27] <f1ps> Probably goingt o put allkb ut puppy on there
[20:27] <f1ps> *going to put all but puppy
[20:28] <f1ps> wow, typing fail
[20:28] <TAFB> i think fat16, 2gb is max partition size :)
[20:28] <f1ps> 4GB
[20:28] <f1ps> accourding to EaseUS
[20:29] <f1ps> *according
[20:29] <f1ps> dangit...
[20:29] <TAFB> "However, the MS-DOS file allocation table (FAT) file system can support only 2 GB per partition."
[20:29] <TAFB> that's from microsoft though, who knows :)
[20:29] <f1ps> Microsoft can kiss my rump under the misteltoe for all I care
[20:30] <TAFB> "The 2-GB partition limit is imposed by the maximum number of clusters and the largest cluster size supported by the FAT file system."
[20:30] <f1ps> Cluster size is set to whatever the default is for me
[20:30] <f1ps> I think it's 4KB, or 8KB, god knows
[20:30] <f1ps> if only I'd take a second to read all of this stuff
[20:31] <f1ps> nada
[20:31] <f1ps> put it in the Pi and it does not work
[20:32] <TAFB> are you loading the files onto the SD with a windows PC?
[20:33] <f1ps> yes
[20:33] <TAFB> I think you might have a hidden parition on the SD still, from when you had raspbian on it?
[20:33] <f1ps> Win7 x64, i5-2430M @ 2.4GHz w/ TurboBoost
[20:33] <f1ps> uhh, not sure
[20:33] <f1ps> 1.2GB is in use but the card does not show it
[20:33] <TAFB> right click on "computer" and click "manage" (with the SD card inserted)
[20:34] <TAFB> after computer management opens, go to disk management, and look for the SD card.
[20:34] <TAFB> you want to look at it down at the bottom, not in the top list. See if it's divided at all.
[20:35] <jelly1> i wonder if i can slim down rasbpmc
[20:35] <f1ps> 4GB for the berryboot, 10.83GB unalloc., that's it
[20:35] <f1ps> maybe it's 1.2GB used because of the card's lock feature or something...
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[20:36] <f1ps> I'll format the card again.
[20:36] <TAFB> hmmm. well official spec for FAT16 is 2gb, so maybe try making 2gb FAT partition and putting the files in there. I would delete the partition from in here.
[20:36] <bin_bash> f1ps, it's a 16gb card?
[20:37] <f1ps> Yes
[20:37] <f1ps> 16GB
[20:37] <bin_bash> f1ps, those numbers are right. You never get a full 16gb of space.
[20:37] <f1ps> Yeah
[20:37] <jelly1> anyone using raspbmc here?
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[20:38] <pksato> f1ps: you are bulding some OS for RPi from scratch?
[20:38] <f1ps> no, using berryboot
[20:38] <TAFB> he's using berryboot to try and download and live install OS
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[20:39] <f1ps> it seems to totally fail. red light on the pi, no green light flashes, no output on the pi, works with raspbian, new flashed card, bought yesterday, 16gb.
[20:39] <f1ps> *monitor
[20:39] <TAFB> I'm getting my second Pi today f1ps, I'll give berryboot a go and see if it works for me ;)
[20:39] <f1ps> alright, cool - cheers
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[20:40] <TAFB> which reminds me, I better check the UPS tracking... shoulda be here by now. brb.
[20:40] <f1ps> k
[20:40] <TAFB> Scheduled Delivery: Monday, 12/10/2012, By End of Day
[20:40] <TAFB> ok, so I guess it's on its way :)
[20:41] <JohnRambozo> Berryboot sounds like a great idea... allows you to just install as many OS's as you want.
[20:41] <TAFB> yeah, for dual boot should be SWEET
[20:41] <JohnRambozo> thats why i tried it first.. but i ran into my card problems... now i'm waiting on new cards to arrive.
[20:41] <JohnRambozo> impatiently. ;)
[20:42] <f1ps> do any of the previous versions work?
[20:42] <pksato> to use berryboot, just dump the image to sd, like others OS images.
[20:42] <f1ps> without formatting it to anything?
[20:42] <TAFB> you actually just format the card and unzip some files to it ;)
[20:42] <JohnRambozo> you just have to copy it.. you don't have to use an image writer.
[20:42] <JohnRambozo> berryboot does all that for you after you start installing os's.
[20:42] <TAFB> I'm going to try this card in my new Pi: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_175_176&item_id=030937
[20:43] <f1ps> ik, that's what I have been doing
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[20:43] <bin_bash> f1ps, out of curiosity, why not just use dd to write to the card?
[20:43] <JohnRambozo> i've heard of stupid stuff like, wiping down the card making a difference.
[20:43] <f1ps> dd?
[20:43] <TAFB> this is the card I'm running in my current Pi, fast as snot :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[20:43] <pksato> ops. not dump.
[20:43] <TAFB> dd is linux writing utility
[20:43] <f1ps> some linux program, I take it?
[20:43] <bin_bash> f1ps, yeah do you have an sd card reader?
[20:43] <jelly1> 1GB is a bit small for raspbmc :(
[20:43] <JohnRambozo> runny snot or the dry glue-like stuff?
[20:43] <pksato> To install: extract the contents of the .zip file to a normal FAT formatted SD card, and put it in your Raspberry Pi.
[20:44] <f1ps> yes
[20:44] <TAFB> John: lol.
[20:44] <f1ps> but it is on the laptop
[20:44] <f1ps> right, low battery, one sec
[20:44] <bin_bash> f1ps, so?
[20:45] <bin_bash> Doesn't the pi site suggest using dd to write the image?
[20:45] <JohnRambozo> nice price on that 32gig card.
[20:45] <JohnRambozo> dd is linux right?
[20:45] <TAFB> yeah :) and that store is just down the street
[20:45] <JohnRambozo> f1ps might be on windows.
[20:45] <f1ps> I am on windows
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[20:45] <TAFB> the tried and tested one I'm already using and is super fast is only like $12 more, still undecided: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_175_176&item_id=048402
[20:45] <JohnRambozo> dd is an image writer...
[20:46] <JohnRambozo> the patriot lx isn't tested?
[20:46] <bin_bash> there's a dd for windows, guys
[20:46] <f1ps> is there?
[20:46] <bin_bash> and it's not a linux utility. it's unix utility.
[20:46] <TAFB> John: yep, it is. But I'm using the EP now, and it's awesome :)
[20:46] <bin_bash> yes.
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[20:46] <f1ps> right, I have some food to eat - I'll be back in like 10 minutes or something quikc like that.
[20:46] <f1ps> brb
[20:47] <TAFB> i'll brb too, gotta poo
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[20:48] <pksato> making some test, copying berryboot files to 128MB mmc card.
[20:49] <pksato> and, powering rpi.
[20:49] <JohnRambozo> 10m/sec is pretty good write speed tafb.
[20:50] <pksato> dont work.
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[20:50] <TAFB> John: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/patriot%2032gb%20class%2010%20SD%20card%20test.png
[20:50] <TAFB> that's in my USB 3 card reader on my PC. Crazy fast :)
[20:51] <JohnRambozo> nice
[20:51] <JohnRambozo> doyou overclock your pi?
[20:51] <jelly1> i did
[20:51] <TAFB> I haven't yet. I'll do it when I get my cooling case for it: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/110984616925
[20:52] <jelly1> easy peasy to make it clock ondemand to 1000Mhz
[20:52] <JohnRambozo> cool.
[20:52] <JohnRambozo> got instructions.
[20:52] <JohnRambozo> ?
[20:52] <TAFB> for overclocking? raspi-config
[20:52] <jelly1> eww
[20:52] <JohnRambozo> i mean - ondemand overclocking
[20:52] <TAFB> oh, lol
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[20:54] <Tachyon`> it's on demand anyway
[20:55] <Tachyon`> it always is on this cpu
[20:55] <Tachyon`> I vaguely remember some article on the site about exactly that
[20:56] <JohnRambozo> does anyone specificialy remember that? :)
[20:57] <JohnRambozo> I'm interested in the technique employed by jelly1.
[20:57] <jelly1> google did
[20:57] <JohnRambozo> heh
[20:57] <jelly1> cpupower + /boot/config.txt tweaking
[20:58] <JohnRambozo> google is so smart.
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[20:58] <jelly1> yes
[20:58] <jelly1> srsly its not that hard and dont use force_mode
[20:58] <jelly1> or turbo_mode=1
[20:59] <JohnRambozo> okay
[20:59] <TAFB> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[20:59] <bparker> I'm having lots of problems with the latest raspbian on my 512mb pi. I'm running the standard graphical desktop but the system randomly freezes forever. Any idea what could be wrong?
[20:59] <axion> just read the elinux config.txt page. it explains all
[20:59] <jelly1> axion: indeed
[20:59] <bparker> usually it happens either on first boot or after trying to do something intensive (apt-get)
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[21:00] <TAFB> bparker: What USB devices do you have plugged in? What power supply are you using (amperage rating). Good quality MicroUSB cable? Use a volt meter and measure TP2 to TP3 on the board.
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[21:01] <bparker> I have a standard USB keyboard and mouse plugged into the 2 ports. The supply is 5.5V 2A
[21:01] <mdim> is it possible that RPi gets overheated by XBMC? It was holding CPU to close to 100% all the time
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[21:01] <bparker> TAFB: what should the meter give me?
[21:01] <TAFB> bparker: 5.5v is a little high. Do you have a volt meter to check TP2 to TP3 voltage?
[21:01] <bparker> yes I do
[21:02] <bparker> the power supply came with the board, I got it off ebay
[21:02] <TAFB> Well, between 4.89v and 5.05v would be perfect.
[21:02] <bparker> ok, I'll check
[21:02] <pksato> 2GB SD formated on win XP as fat32, and files do berryboot copied, and hdmi_drive=2 add on config.txt , and RPi boots ok.
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[21:02] <TAFB> congrats pksato :)
[21:02] <buZz> TAFB: still reading all your replies here, would you please reconsider writing up a RasPi power howto/faq? :D
[21:02] <TAFB> lol buzz :)
[21:02] <buZz> TAFB: maybe throw it on a wiki so ppl can add/edit?
[21:02] <buZz> :D
[21:03] <buZz> TAFB: your brain has such nice facts!
[21:03] <pksato> RPi dont like MMC card.
[21:03] <TAFB> buzz: most of it is already here: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[21:04] <pksato> and RPi powered from a ATX PSU.
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[21:04] <buZz> i agree, but i dont believe in the perseference of that website over time :D
[21:04] <buZz> hmm is that a word?
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[21:04] <TAFB> with a domain like tafb.xxx I'm not sure how long my site will be around either :)
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[21:05] <pksato> ohh.. Memtester is a option as OS to Install.
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[21:06] <TAFB> memtester would test what, the Pi's 512mb ram?
[21:06] <pksato> or 256mb.
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[21:07] <rymate1234> wat
[21:07] <rymate1234> <pksato> and RPi powered from a ATX PSU.
[21:07] <rymate1234> sounds like overkill
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[21:07] <TAFB> I've seen a few people do it.
[21:07] <TAFB> 5v at 30 amps :) lots of power
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[21:07] <rymate1234> although, I do love the smell of burnt Pi in the morning
[21:07] <rymate1234> XD
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[21:08] <Armand> O_O
[21:08] <Armand> I never burn my pies..
[21:08] <Armand> Ohhh... Pi.. sorry.
[21:08] <rymate1234> was a joke :P
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[21:08] <Armand> ^_^
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[21:09] <ParkerR_> TAFB, It the Pi able to take adavtage of the extra amperage?
[21:09] <f1ps> hi all
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[21:09] <Armand> My solar charge regulator will do 12/24v @ 30A max, but the 5v regulators are 2/3A.
[21:09] <f1ps> sorry bout that, pizza delivery
[21:09] <pksato> I using only 5V stb from ATX PSU.
[21:09] <TAFB> not really ParkerR, but at least you know your USB devices arn't going to cause the voltage to drop
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[21:09] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Heh
[21:09] <TAFB> (assuming you've bridged F3 and possibly jumpered the USB power)
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[21:10] <bparker> TAFB: I measured 5.37v between TP1 and TP2
[21:10] <f1ps> got your pi yet tafb?
[21:10] <bparker> couldn't find a TP3.
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[21:10] <TAFB> bparker. That's way too high, your Pi is probably overheating.
[21:11] <TAFB> do you have a cell phone charger or some other USB power adapter you can try?
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[21:11] <ParkerR_> :O A fellow Parker
[21:11] <bparker> considering it was already on turbo
[21:11] <bparker> and SD card was already corrupted once
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[21:11] * ParkerR_ waves
[21:11] <bparker> that's probably true.
[21:11] <bparker> yes I do
[21:11] <TAFB> sounds like it, for sure.
[21:11] <Armand> ParkerR_, get back in the car... Lady Penelope is waiting. ?_?
[21:11] <bparker> thanks, I'll try that.
[21:11] <TAFB> try it on a different supply. If you get stuck in a reboot loop it's not powerful enough.
[21:11] <TAFB> measure TP2-TP3 with new supply and report back numbers.
[21:12] <ParkerR_> Armand, Umm what
[21:12] <Armand> I had to turn my regulators up to 5.25v, as I was losing a little on the USB ports I was powering.
[21:12] <Armand> ParkerR_, Thunderbirds...
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[21:13] <ParkerR_> Armand, Never got into that
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[21:13] <TAFB> Armand, bridging F3 can solve that, or running a jumper wire to power the USB ports so they don't draw from the Pi's part of the supply.
[21:13] <Armand> No, TAFB.. I was powering a set of USB ports salvaged from an old PC case.
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[21:14] <Armand> My Pi is headless.. I just needed to port power from the solar plant.
[21:14] <TAFB> lol, ok.
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[21:14] <Armand> Using those ports as a source, I had a filter on the ports and I get to keep the onboard polyfuse.
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[21:15] <rymate1234> >trying to listen to music
[21:15] <rymate1234> >no sound
[21:15] <TAFB> over HDMI? you need to enable it
[21:15] <rymate1234> lol
[21:15] <rymate1234> how?
[21:15] <axion> amixer
[21:15] <rymate1234> k
[21:15] <TAFB> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound_does_not_work_with_an_HDMI_monitor
[21:16] <pksato> My RPi and ATX PSU https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ODvS3Pxfi4pQ4lo7FOjVWdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[21:16] <TAFB> nice! messy :) My RPi with it's supply: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
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[21:17] <rymate1234> TAFB, what's the small device plugged into USB?
[21:17] <ParkerR_> sudo amixer cset id=3 0
[21:18] <TAFB> rymate: pardon? I don't understand your question.
[21:18] <rymate1234> also thanks
[21:18] <ParkerR_> Should enable HDMI audio
[21:18] <axion> wifi dongle
[21:18] <rymate1234> TAFB, in your image - what's the usb device
[21:18] <ParkerR_> Changing 0 to 1 does the 3.5 jack
[21:18] <TAFB> ahh, yes, wifi dongle
[21:18] <rymate1234> oh lol
[21:18] <TAFB> this wifi dongle: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=050682
[21:18] <pksato> alsa, the main atx psu can power up from gpio7.
[21:18] <TAFB> needs a lot of power, took some work to make it work in the Pi, worked fine in powered USB hub though
[21:19] <axion> how does it work?
[21:19] <axion> can you post the relevant line of lsusb?
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[21:21] <Armand> I have a picture set for my solar.. but flickr is being total arse. >_<
[21:21] <f1ps> I am going to try the berryboot crud again
[21:21] <TAFB> good luck f1 :) My pi had not arrived yet, they have 2.5 more hours to deliver it
[21:21] <f1ps> ty for the gl
[21:21] <JohnRambozo> hang in there tafb. I waited ...
[21:21] <ParkerR_> A good netinstall is all you need :) http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
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[21:22] <JohnRambozo> berryboot is a multiboot netinstaller.
[21:22] <TAFB> John: lol. I got two bad Pi's right off the bat, so I had to wait a while to get a working one, so I'm used to waiting too.
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[21:22] <pksato> f1ps: is you firt atempt to boot rpi?
[21:22] <f1ps> Which filesystem was it? FAT32/16?
[21:22] <f1ps> No
[21:22] <buZz> TAFB: ah yeah i wasnt talking about your own website
[21:22] <JohnRambozo> My wait was the same as making a baby. 9 months.
[21:22] <f1ps> I've used Raspbian, that worked fine
[21:22] <pksato> fat32 is ok.
[21:23] <f1ps> ok, good
[21:23] <ParkerR_> JohnRambozo, Heh wow. O ordered mine on the 23rd and it arrived on the 28th
[21:23] <Armand> http://www.flickr.com/photos/64022911@N02/8157630441/in/set-72157631984819879/
[21:23] <pksato> format as fat32, copy berryboot to root of sd.
[21:23] <TAFB> buzz: ohhh, you meant post it on a wiki, so it doesn't have to rely on my server. I get it
[21:23] <ParkerR_> *I
[21:23] <ParkerR_> November
[21:23] <JohnRambozo> ParkerR_ I hate you. ;)
[21:24] <ParkerR_> The shipping place was only a few states away
[21:24] <buZz> TAFB: yeah somewhere on http://elinux.org/RPi_Hub ?
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[21:24] <TAFB> Armand: strange setup to provide power?
[21:24] <pksato> dont copy to a folder (directory)
[21:24] <ParkerR_> Got here overnight
[21:24] <f1ps> that's done...
[21:24] <buZz> TAFB: was looking around for similar info to yours but couldnt find it
[21:24] <Armand> TAFB, Why is it strange?
[21:24] <f1ps> Be back in a minute after I test the card now
[21:24] <ParkerR_> JohnRambozo, But believe me, those were the longest 5 days of my life XD
[21:24] <TAFB> Armand: the USB comes from a type of splitter board with strange connections.
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[21:25] <pksato> f1ps: rpi is connect to hdmi tv, monitor or what?
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[21:25] <Armand> TAFB, It's just some front ports from an old PC case.. it has the advantage of providing a filter. :)
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[21:26] <TAFB> Armand: ahhh. So where does the power actually come from, the source?
[21:26] <Armand> The other wire coming off that board is for the 2 audio sockets
[21:26] <f1ps> DVI monitor via HDMI/DVI
[21:26] <Armand> Solar panel and batteries with a 12v regulator.
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[21:26] <TAFB> Armand: Nice! Solar powered Pi :)
[21:26] <Armand> ^_^
[21:26] <Armand> I've got 28Ah of battery there. :D
[21:26] <TAFB> how big is the panel/batteries?
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[21:27] <TAFB> wow, that'll run it for a while :)
[21:27] <Armand> Only a single 20W panel so far.
[21:27] <TAFB> I have a solar panel with regulated 5v output, I should give it a go :)
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[21:27] <f1ps> Did not worl
[21:27] <pksato> f1ps: to boot raspbian you need to make modificaton on config.txt ?
[21:27] <f1ps> *work
[21:27] <f1ps> Using berryboot now, did not work. For raspbian, worked out of the box
[21:28] <pksato> same sd card?
[21:28] <f1ps> No need to change the config for raspbian
[21:28] <f1ps> yes
[21:28] <f1ps> same sd card
[21:28] <f1ps> Adata 16GB Class 4
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[21:28] <bparker> TAFB: now I get 5.02v
[21:28] <bparker> seems to be ok
[21:28] <Armand> TAFB, if it will actually sustain 5v..
[21:28] <TAFB> flawless :)
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[21:29] <f1ps> any ideas?
[21:29] <pksato> test raspbian again. if work, just copy berryboot files over raspberry files.
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[21:29] <f1ps> ok then
[21:29] <TAFB> Armand: http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4930/img3067p.jpg
[21:29] <f1ps> and that would work?
[21:29] <f1ps> like a mix of the two files?
[21:29] <pksato> replace files
[21:29] <f1ps> *sets of files?
[21:29] <f1ps> that's good then
[21:30] <Armand> TAFB, looks cool... does it have a battery or capacitor?
[21:30] <f1ps> I'll get raspbian working
[21:30] <pksato> or, delete all before copy.
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[21:31] <pksato> berryboot reformat sd card.
[21:31] <TAFB> Armand: it has a capacitor bank inside the sleeve. With strong light it puts out 1.6amps at 5v. With cloudy day about 800ma. I can connect it to LiIon battery case which has four 26650 4800mah 3.7v batteries.
[21:31] <f1ps> wait - so berryboot would format the card if I copied its files over the raspbian ones?
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[21:31] <Armand> TAFB, That should be good enough then. :D
[21:32] <TAFB> Yep, when my new Pi gets here I'll give it a try.
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[21:34] <TAFB> Armand: Check out this flashlight: http://kaidomain.com/product/details.S020383
[21:34] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[21:34] <TAFB> Outputs 2500ma at 5v USB, and can charge by USB as well ;)
[21:35] <Armand> Looks nice... but, I'd probably save a butt-load and just buy a fat battery. ^_^
[21:35] <TAFB> I like those 18650 batteries, lots of power in tiny package :) 3100mah each
[21:36] <Armand> Yeah.. damn. :D
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[21:36] <f1ps> Writing the raspbian image now...
[21:36] <f1ps> this is irritating
[21:36] <f1ps> btw, I always get only the red light whenever I try and boot with berryboot
[21:36] <f1ps> no green or anything
[21:37] <TAFB> armand: I use only these batteries, expensive, but very high quality: http://www.intl-outdoor.com/2-pcs-panasonic-ncr18650b-3400mah-protected-battery-p-605.html
[21:37] <axion> i use one of these...cheap but very powerful: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/3-in-1-DC-5V-15000mAh-9V-8500mAh-12V6500mAh-Super-Rechargeable-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-camera/901807_520254804.html
[21:37] <TAFB> f1ps: sounds like it's Raspbian or nothin for you!
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[21:38] <f1ps> -.-
[21:38] <TAFB> axion: wow, cheap is right!
[21:39] <TAFB> axion: Does it put out enough current to power the Pi? I don't see any output specs on the 5v
[21:39] <axion> yes 4amps iirc...let me check
[21:39] <viric> 15000mA?
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[21:39] <viric> ah mAh!
[21:40] <axion> yes
[21:40] <viric> batteries use to be able to give a lot of current
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[21:40] <viric> it's a very big battery then.
[21:41] <JohnRambozo> google isn't helping me diagnose your problem, f1ps.
[21:41] <bparker> TAFB: it just froze up again while doing apt-get upgrade
[21:41] <f1ps> ik, I tried an extensive search
[21:41] <Armand> TAFB, I've not really been looking at smaller batteries.. my minimum is 7Ah.
[21:41] <bparker> so it's not the voltage being too high.
[21:41] <f1ps> console-setup parker?
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[21:41] <f1ps> was that the program that it froze on?
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[21:41] <JohnRambozo> raspbian on the same sd card is working?
[21:41] <f1ps> yes
[21:41] <JohnRambozo> that makes no sense.
[21:42] <JohnRambozo> but you knew that alreayd,.
[21:42] <f1ps> it did when I first tried it, I'll see if it works again once the image has re-written itself
[21:42] <pksato> f1ps: make a copy of config.txt
[21:42] <f1ps> which one?
[21:42] <bparker> what's weird though, is that the CPU usage applet at the bottom-right keeps updating (it stays almost at 100%), but nothing else on the screen moves, the keyboard doesn't do anything, and the power to the mouse has been shut off
[21:42] <bparker> (and probably the keyboard too)
[21:43] <f1ps> image is written, time to re-test raspbian
[21:43] <pksato> copy of raspbian config.txt. and replace all file with berryboot files on fat partition.
[21:43] <bparker> the temperature stayed steady at 48-49C, or 118-120F
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[21:44] <pksato> buy more sd cards. :)
[21:44] <JohnRambozo> maybe there's a card type that is supported by rasbian but not berryboot.
[21:44] <TAFB> bparker. So you lose mouse/keyboard but the display still updates?
[21:45] <bparker> apparently so
[21:45] <pksato> this memtester take a long time...
[21:45] <TAFB> there's a thread about that, one sec.
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[21:45] <f1ps> one more time...
[21:46] <f1ps> Adata 16GB SDHC Class 4
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[21:46] <f1ps> Purchased yesterday.
[21:47] <TAFB> bparker: I can't find the thread, it's on the Pi forums. a user was having the same problem, his Pi would go "dead", shut off usb/ethernet, etc. but the cpu was still active.
[21:48] <f1ps> I had the same thing happen to me when I updated for the first time
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[21:48] <bparker> f1ps: how did you fix it?
[21:48] <f1ps> reset the pi
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[21:48] <f1ps> just power off, power on
[21:49] <f1ps> bright as a daisy again
[21:49] <bparker> well, problem is I keep having this happen constantly
[21:49] <f1ps> when you update?
[21:49] <bparker> when cpu usage is high
[21:49] <f1ps> btw - raspbian boots perfectly first time
[21:49] <bparker> regardless of the task
[21:50] <f1ps> ah, well
[21:50] <bparker> and sometimes just after bootup into the gui
[21:50] <bparker> it freezes there too
[21:50] <f1ps> overheating?
[21:50] <f1ps> are you using raspbian?
[21:50] <bparker> 15:33 <+bparker> the temperature stayed steady at 48-49C, or 118-120F
[21:50] <bparker> yes I am
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[21:50] <f1ps> right click on the taskbar and open the settings
[21:50] <vespakoen> Hey guys, if I want to create an "apple-like" startup image, what's the easiest way to go about it? basically, hiding alll output, and show some graphic as fast as possible until the system is booted
[21:50] <f1ps> no wait, add/remove panel items
[21:50] <pksato> bparker: freeze away if use network?
[21:51] <bparker> pksato: huh?
[21:51] <f1ps> add the temp monitor and run a program at high intensity.
[21:51] <f1ps> overclocked at all?
[21:51] <bparker> f1ps: I don't see a temp monitor...
[21:51] <bparker> yes, it's set to high (900mhz)
[21:51] <f1ps> right click on the task bar
[21:51] <f1ps> go to add/remove panels
[21:52] <f1ps> click add
[21:52] <bparker> oh I see, I confused lxde panels with gnome's panels, which do nothing
[21:52] <f1ps> double click on the temperaturje monitor
[21:52] <f1ps> oh that
[21:52] <f1ps> yeah
[21:52] <f1ps> and then run something at high intensity
[21:52] <f1ps> like an update
[21:52] <bparker> k
[21:52] <pksato> I read some issue about high network traffic and rpi hangs.
[21:52] <f1ps> your OC may be sending it nuts
[21:53] <f1ps> my freeze happened when I was transferring files
[21:53] <f1ps> same symptoms - all peripherals froze but CPU kept working
[21:54] <f1ps> at 700MHz, a few seconds at high intensity should be one to two deg. max.
[21:54] <TAFB> bparker, you're running the default CPU clock, not overclocked?
[21:54] <f1ps> at 900MHz, make it 2 or 3
[21:54] <pksato> ethernet chip also is a USB hub.
[21:54] <f1ps> he's running at 900MHz
[21:54] <TAFB> ahhh
[21:55] <TAFB> I'm going to try and run quake3 on my Pi, burn it in a lil
[21:55] <f1ps> kk then
[21:55] <f1ps> gl with that
[21:55] <f1ps> I'll try berryboot with copied files.
[21:56] <TAFB> f1ps: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=18853
[21:56] <f1ps> ah, I see
[21:56] <f1ps> nice
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[21:59] <vespakoen> Found a nice tutorial that solves my last question =) Another thing I am wondering, is there a way to "hack stuff directly on the raspberry pi" then later "clone" that image to other SD cards ?
[21:59] <mdim> did someone have overheat problems with RPi?
[21:59] <mdim> I have no cooling system for it
[21:59] <f1ps> RPi does not need cooling generally
[21:59] <TAFB> at stock clock levels it's pretty hard to overheat the Pi
[22:00] <f1ps> for what a kid is going to do, it won't need it
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[22:00] <f1ps> unless they are a gaming geek
[22:00] <JohnRambozo> arent all kids gaming geeks?
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[22:00] <f1ps> no, not necessarily
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[22:00] <TAFB> my latest Pi came with little heatsinks, not sure if they're trying to tell us somethin ;) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
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[22:01] <JohnRambozo> nice option tafb.
[22:01] <JohnRambozo> I didn't get those.
[22:01] <f1ps> That the Pi you got just now?
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[22:01] <TAFB> no, that's my 3rd Pi, the working one.
[22:01] <JohnRambozo> I ordered from Allied Elec. Not element 14.
[22:01] <f1ps> oh.
[22:01] <JohnRambozo> 'the working one' lmao.
[22:01] <TAFB> lol
[22:01] <TAFB> I have two bad ones, one good one, and should be receiving another one shortly (hopefully a good one) :)
[22:02] <f1ps> IT WORKS!
[22:02] <f1ps> WE HAVE LIFE WITH BERRYBOOT
[22:02] <f1ps> YES!
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[22:02] <TAFB> how the F did you get it workin?
[22:02] <mdim> f1ps: TAFB: I'm running XBMC on it, and it keeps it on 100% CPU pretty much all the time
[22:02] <f1ps> Thank you everyone for your help, especially pksato
[22:02] <f1ps> copied the berryboot files over the debian files
[22:02] <mdim> an hour ago RPi just froze, and it wouldn't boot up immediately after repowering it
[22:02] <TAFB> John: One of my bad Pi's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMPBcVCw10
[22:02] <TAFB> skip to 3:40 ish
[22:03] <TAFB> f1ps, crazyness!!! glad it works!
[22:04] <tanuva> interesting. farnell claims that the pi will be despatched in one week on the search result page, but on the peripherals page, it says 19 days.
[22:04] <tanuva> they don't really want customers to trust them, do they?
[22:05] <f1ps> cheers man
[22:05] <f1ps> I got so lucky there.
[22:06] <f1ps> downloading the raspbian thingy now
[22:06] <Tachyon`> farnell send faster than they say
[22:06] <Tachyon`> they told me 3 weeks then it turned up in 2 days
[22:06] <tanuva> I hope they do
[22:06] <Tachyon`> well, one is a very small sample but they did with me, lol
[22:06] <f1ps> I bought with CPC (partners with Farnell for RPi).
[22:07] <f1ps> They said they'd send mine on New Year's Day
[22:07] <f1ps> I got mine a week ago
[22:07] <f1ps> with about half the parts missing
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[22:08] <JohnRambozo> way to go f1ps and pksato
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[22:08] <f1ps> cheers john
[22:09] <f1ps> I don't know if I'll oc this pup
[22:09] <bparker> TAFB: I found this http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Crashes_occur_with_high_network_load
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[22:09] <Datalink> okay here's a fun one, I have a raspberry pi, which I'd like to be able to take onto outside networks, is there an easy way to have it dump information on what IP it's on inside that network without a monitor? talking college wifi.
[22:09] <TAFB> nice find bparker! Did you try it yet?
[22:09] <f1ps> vnc?
[22:09] <bparker> about to reboot with it
[22:10] <tanuva> Datalink: small serial display!
[22:10] <JohnRambozo> nice "NO SIGNAL" tafb
[22:10] <Datalink> tanuva, I so wish
[22:10] <tanuva> portable usb printer? :D
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[22:10] <TAFB> John: what did you do?
[22:10] <Datalink> okay I should clarify, I don't have a budget right now
[22:11] <tanuva> Datalink: you could write a script that dumps the ip onto a certain usb stick once it is plugged in
[22:11] <Datalink> but the serial gives me an idea...
[22:11] * Datalink adds the bluetooth serial port to laptop...
[22:12] <Datalink> this'd be easier if the network wasn't isolated.
[22:12] <f1ps> Headless clients use VNC don't they?
[22:12] <f1ps> or can do
[22:12] <Datalink> depends on the client, VNC or Terminal Services, typicaly, some can use X11
[22:12] <TAFB> i love x11vnc :)
[22:13] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_VNC_desktop_wireless.png
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[22:14] <f1ps> is there anything close to the Ubuntu Software Centre on Debian?
[22:14] <f1ps> ie: GUI based?
[22:14] <tanuva> synaptic if you're a gtk gui
[22:15] <tanuva> don't know the Qt equivalent's name
[22:15] <f1ps> softqare-center-qt?
[22:15] <f1ps> *software
[22:16] <scummos> afaik the ubuntu thing is in the debian repos
[22:16] <scummos> just install it
[22:16] <scummos> but I forgot the name
[22:17] <Datalink> woot, my pi's IP is remembered across reboots
[22:17] <tanuva> f1ps: on ubuntu, the package seems to be "software-center"
[22:17] <Tachyon`> udev
[22:17] <f1ps> thanks
[22:18] <TAFB> Datalink: are you using static or dhcp?
[22:18] <Datalink> TAFB, DHCP, I do not control the remote network and the chance of collision is high because it's a school network
[22:19] <Datalink> my Pi's on wifi using a working dongle
[22:19] <TAFB> then it's not the Pi remembering the IP address, the router has learned your Pi's mac address and will always assign it the same IP
[22:19] <FliesLikeABrick> Datalink: with DHCP the pi... what TAFB said
[22:19] <Datalink> yeah
[22:19] <JohnRambozo> heh
[22:19] <Datalink> depends on how long the DHCP lease is... which I don't have info on
[22:19] <FliesLikeABrick> the DHCP server will assign the same IP address as long as it is not off the network past the end of a lease (but even then most remember it longer if the pool doesn't need to be tuned over)
[22:20] <FliesLikeABrick> Datalink: you can get the lease length from syslog
[22:20] <f1ps> I wish the Pi had flash...
[22:20] <f1ps> oh well
[22:20] <scummos> flash?
[22:20] <scummos> as in, adobe flash?
[22:20] <f1ps> yes
[22:20] <FliesLikeABrick> as in onboard storage
[22:20] <FliesLikeABrick> oh
[22:20] <Armand> Oh yuk!
[22:20] <Datalink> f1ps, that's a gripe to send to Adobe...
[22:20] <FliesLikeABrick> silly gripe :P
[22:20] <Armand> "gripe" ??
[22:20] <Armand> O-o
[22:20] <Armand> Blessing ??
[22:20] <f1ps> I've heard that there's something called Gnash which is an equivalent?
[22:20] <axion> indeed
[22:21] <Datalink> gripe, a complaint over small annoyances
[22:21] <TAFB> how do you check the temp of the Pi's CPU, etc.
[22:21] <Armand> Datalink, I know what a gripe is. :P
[22:21] <Armand> TAFB, I've got a command for that... if you're on Raspbian.
[22:21] <scummos> f1ps: equivalent except that it does not work in 90% of the cases
[22:21] <f1ps> Does that work?
[22:21] <f1ps> oh, I see
[22:21] <scummos> but it can play youtube videos
[22:21] <TAFB> yep, wheezy for me
[22:21] <axion> TAFB: was that a question?
[22:22] <Datalink> scummos, yeah, pretty much limited to using the youtube script
[22:22] <chithead> load the kernel driver for the temperature sensor, and run "sensors" from lm-seonsors package
[22:22] <FliesLikeABrick> html5?
[22:22] <Armand> TAFB, watch "/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq"
[22:22] <Datalink> reminds me, youtube-dl needs to be updated on my system... gogo sudo youtube-dl -U
[22:24] <JohnRambozo> There's no point griping about flash. Its being phased out.
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[22:24] <JohnRambozo> Apple and google are no longer supporting it in their mobile platforms.
[22:24] <scummos> yeah flash is dying
[22:24] <scummos> and it's good that it is
[22:24] <Armand> Yes
[22:24] <scummos> the earlier we forget about it the better
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[22:24] <JohnRambozo> good riddance I say. ;)
[22:24] <axion> indeed. Datalink has the right idea
[22:24] <Datalink> Adobe's even embracing HTML5, which is kinda awkward because I like using Flash as an editor
[22:25] <Datalink> I have a Python script called yt, it runs a console Youtube browser and uses either MPlayer or, in the modified case I have, xmbplayer to play youtube videos on HDMI out
[22:25] <JohnRambozo> That awkward moment... when adobe tells you not to use their software....
[22:26] <axion> Datalink: sounds like my uzbl script
[22:26] <f1ps> mmhmm
[22:26] <Datalink> axion, yeah, was a good find but took work... now if only I could make my pi submit an IP address to a web page or something...
[22:26] <axion> http://www.uzbl.org/wiki/ytvp
[22:26] <Datalink> I have the static web server... just need to unlazy and write a bit of PHP and shell script
[22:27] <axion> looking at the date i wrote that over 3 years ago haha
[22:27] <axion> been a long time without flash here
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[22:27] <Datalink> sucks though as I enjoy a lot of newground games
[22:28] <f1ps> oh brilliant, my keyboard and mouse do not work with OpenELEC
[22:28] <axion> PHP is so last decade
[22:28] <axion> get with the program
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[22:30] <scummos> yeah python should replace php everywhere
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[22:31] <axion> as a professional web developer, i can say python is my 2nd choice for application development
[22:32] <JohnRambozo> first choice?
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[22:32] <axion> common lisp
[22:32] <Patagonicus> Aww, not assembly?
[22:32] <JohnRambozo> hehe
[22:32] <mythos> yeah... right... lisp
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[22:34] <Armand> TAFB, Did that work ok for you?
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[22:34] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[22:35] <axion> you'd be surprised. check out #lispweb something if you want to see how much easier it is to rapid develop with lisp than with python. i have a few sites, web server, database, and all, written in lisp
[22:35] <axion> something=sometime
[22:35] <Armand> CelticTurnip!
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[22:36] <FliesLikeABrick> is anywhere currently accepting orders for gertboards?
[22:36] <mythos> axion, gtk with lisp?
[22:36] <f1ps> Country?
[22:37] <axion> mythos: hmm?
[22:37] <InControl> FliesLikeABrick: In a word NO
[22:37] <mythos> axion, oh, webdevelopment
[22:37] <mythos> sorry
[22:37] <InControl> Gertboard is at the mercy of Farnell
[22:37] <f1ps> yes, so it is
[22:37] <Armand> That sucks.. ?_?
[22:38] <Armand> They will *only* sell it prebuilt now, right?
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[22:38] <InControl> Correct
[22:38] <Armand> That puts me off. :(
[22:38] <axion> mythos: but yes, there is cl-gtk2, and a few more great libraries for gtk applications, though i am not familiar with this
[22:38] <bparker> TAFB: it is still freezing even with those fixes
[22:38] <TAFB> bparker: damn, that sux :(
[22:38] <bparker> this time, the usb/network would go off but then it would come back a few seconds later
[22:38] <bparker> it did that a few times and then finally just stopped
[22:39] <CelticTurnip> brady2600: sorry about going afk last night my time - we've got new owners at work and I was getting calls all night - I hope you worked your issue out :)
[22:39] <bparker> cpu is still working and screen is updating, but no usb or network whatsoever
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[22:42] <f1ps> you got the temperature monitor up?
[22:42] <bparker> yes
[22:42] <f1ps> what's it hitting?
[22:42] <bparker> it still updates, and never goes above 48
[22:42] <f1ps> huh
[22:42] <f1ps> there's something anomalous there
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[22:42] <f1ps> try holding shift at boot-time until you get to the log in screen to remove th oc
[22:43] <f1ps> then repeat what you did to make it freeze
[22:43] <f1ps> or run Quake 3 or whatever
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[22:45] <f1ps> rebooted?
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[22:46] <f1ps> I'm OC'd to Dynamic High right now, going to update to see if I can reproduce your problem
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[22:47] <f1ps> (950MHz, you are at 900MHz)
[22:47] <bin_bash> Can you overclock the RAM in the 256 one?
[22:47] <CelticTurnip> yes
[22:47] <bin_bash> nice to what?
[22:48] <CelticTurnip> depends, I have Samsung RAM on mine and run it at 500MHz
[22:48] <bin_bash> O.O wow. mine has samsung RAM too
[22:48] <f1ps> CPU @ 950MHz w/ 6V overvolt, dynamic @ pi-set
[22:48] <bin_bash> I have to wait until christmas to order my sdcard
[22:48] <CelticTurnip> there is no such thing as "to what" in over clocking... too many variables (chip quality, ambient temps, blah blah blah)
[22:48] <bin_bash> I have an amex card from my dad, but i can't open it until christmas
[22:49] <f1ps> tempted to try 1GHz but when I tried it before my keyboard kept repeating keys
[22:49] <f1ps> and it froze the pi
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[22:49] <bin_bash> CelticTurnip, I know. I was just curious as to the max it had been done, was all
[22:50] <f1ps> does debian support VLC?
[22:50] <f1ps> well, I have to go
[22:50] <f1ps> see you all tomorrow
[22:50] <f1ps> bye
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[22:50] <CelticTurnip> bin_bash: no idea who's hit what... I run my Samsung at 500 on both my 256 and 512... no issues here
[22:50] <bin_bash> nice.
[22:50] <bin_bash> was just curious is all
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[22:53] <pksato> video of my rpi powered by atx psu, and blinkin 12V car bulb http://youtu.be/hDdpY8GT-_c
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[22:54] <TAFB> my TV never wakes up fast enough to see the rainbow screen :(
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[22:57] <du> nor doesmine
[22:57] <adb> 'powred' in your video title < pksato
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[22:58] <pksato> tnx... corrected.
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[22:59] <adb> np
[23:00] <bin_bash> Can i power my pi from my car's cigarette lighter
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[23:00] <SpeedEvil> use
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[23:00] <SpeedEvil> yes
[23:00] <bin_bash> nice.
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> get a 'USB charger' for it
[23:01] <bin_bash> yeah i ahve one
[23:01] <bin_bash> for my phone
[23:01] <bin_bash> pksato, doesn't that wallpaper hurt your eyes
[23:03] <pksato> I can not stay long time on front rpi monitor. :)
[23:03] <TAFB> bin_bash: I use this one, works awesome: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-2-Port-Dual-USB-Car-Charger-Adaptor-for-mobile-iPhone-4s-iPod-Touch-digital/689705519.html
[23:03] <bin_bash> TAFB, I have an fm transmitter that has a usb port for charging
[23:04] <TAFB> nice! as long as it provides enough juice you're good to go :)
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[23:05] <Datalink> I need to find a battery backup charger that won't power off when I plug it into a source.
[23:06] <Datalink> anyone know of a charger of that type?
[23:06] <Datalink> for the Pi... obviously
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[23:07] <axion> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/3-in-1-DC-5V-15000mAh-9V-8500mAh-12V6500mAh-Super-Rechargeable-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-camera/901807_520254804.html
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[23:15] <CelticTurnip> argggh! new owners are in...
[23:15] * CelticTurnip tries to look busy
[23:20] * CelticTurnip fails and goes back to looking at Loongson hardware
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[23:25] <Datalink> axion, nice
[23:25] <axion> indeed
[23:25] <Datalink> heh, I need to find a way to go from 12 to 19 volts, then I could use it on my laptop too :P
[23:27] <axion> just power it from its usb ports
[23:27] <FliesLikeABrick> this is really weird - I can get my RPis (2 of them) to boot the archlinuxarm .img when I write it to my SD card, but not the June debian image from raspberrypi.org
[23:28] <FliesLikeABrick> any ideas why that might be the case?
[23:29] <axion> not booting is a complicated subject. more information is needed
[23:29] <FliesLikeABrick> power light comes on, no output on HDMI
[23:29] <pksato> old firmware on new hw?
[23:29] <FliesLikeABrick> just got the boards in the mail today
[23:30] <JohnRambozo> why would you wnat to try an old image?
[23:30] <FliesLikeABrick> (so I'm new to RPi in general)
[23:30] <FliesLikeABrick> I was under the impression that was the later/beta image
[23:30] <axion> such as the number of green led blinks when first powered
[23:30] <JohnRambozo> there's an october debian image, I beleive.
[23:30] <FliesLikeABrick> axion: will check
[23:30] <JohnRambozo> rasbian.
[23:31] <FliesLikeABrick> (one green LED blink)
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[23:31] <FliesLikeABrick> will try a newer raspbian image
[23:33] <Datalink> my image is like... months old, I've just revised it as I go... o.O
[23:33] <satellit_e> note boot up takes a long time with no indication it is progressing on RPi
[23:33] <axion> yeah old firmware hard to know exactly what is up
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[23:34] <Datalink> axion, my first action when I boot up my Pi after a while away is to run the raspi-update script
[23:34] <axion> satellit_e: does it finish?
[23:35] <axion> Datalink: i am not familiar with debian on rpi
[23:35] <satellit_e> last time I looked.... "b" 256
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[23:36] <Datalink> grr, my class is about to start, I won't be much help here due to distraction...
[23:36] <satellit_e> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi#Test_report_raspberrypi-fedora-remix-17-test-004.img is what I have used
[23:36] <axion> satellit_e: try without any usb devices connected
[23:37] <satellit_e> I use a powered 4 port Hub for dell kbd and mouse (usb)
[23:38] <axion> like i said, try without anything connected and see if you still get slow boot
[23:38] <pksato> slow boot? slow sd? or, very fast sd?
[23:38] <satellit_e> not running it atm on Trimslice h250 doing testing
[23:39] <satellit_e> class 10 sdxc
[23:39] <satellit_e> 64 GB
[23:39] <TAFB> My 64gb kept getting corrupted and was slow as piss
[23:39] <axion> it may be excessive interrupts
[23:39] <TAFB> went back to my 32gb super fast monster, worked sweet.
[23:40] <axion> ive had it happen with bad overclocking, or bad usb devices
[23:40] <satellit_e> they vary Sandisk Ultra here 30MB
[23:40] <pksato> rpi use spi or "native" access mode for sd?
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