#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-13

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <akulbe> CelticTurnip: it's a Logitech, but *nix stuff has built-in drivers for a bunch of those models, I think
[0:00] <akulbe> I know the Mac does.
[0:00] <frikinz> Grievar: we tought about it but the micro will be "standalone" so the pi will not command often the micro. the pi will even shut itself if user selects a profile
[0:01] <rikkib> Considering the is no bur report in the kernel github I can't see them fixing anything soon
[0:01] <ShiftPlusOne> There are some cameras which you can use over serial as well
[0:01] <CelticTurnip> akulbe: no idea about the Pi camera, I just know it was coming... thought it was soon, assuming it's not now based on ShiftPlusOne's "soon" :)
[0:01] <Grievar> frikinz: mm... I'm just thinking SPI might make the code easier... unless the code for the micro is already written
[0:02] <Grievar> frikinz: If the micro in question is an AVR as I'm guessing it is, it has hardware SPI support but not hardware UART support, right?
[0:02] <CelticTurnip> akulbe: my main interest in the Pi is a small low power BSD based box, but the BSDs are all still cooking (slowly)
[0:02] <rikkib> The uvc cams I use work fine on earlier version kernel
[0:02] <frikinz> Grievar: no, no code is written. you mean the spi interface is easier on the microside? on the pi side, its going to be quite straightforward if I do it with uart
[0:02] <CelticTurnip> akulbe: that's the reason I configured a XBMC distro, I needed to come up with some reason for owning a Pi ;)
[0:02] <Grievar> frikinz: It should be easier on the micro side yes
[0:02] <Grievar> frikinz: and SPI is pretty easy on the Pi side too
[0:03] <rikkib> Hence it is a kernel drive issue introduced while trying to fix other usb issues
[0:03] <Grievar> frikinz: but it depends on which micro you're using
[0:03] <akulbe> CelticTurnip: at $35 for the Pi, no need to justify the purchase. :)
[0:04] <rikkib> The developers are breaking some of the most basic rules of kernel developing imho
[0:04] <frikinz> Grievar: yes I've seen the SPI interface is a normal file handle. byte by byte. well, I'll ask the guy who's doing the micro. might be more funny on my side, never did spi. but really, not needed in our case. a command to the micro will only go when the user changes the profile on the web app.
[0:04] <CelticTurnip> rikkib: have you reported the issue?
[0:05] <frikinz> Grievar: might actually be a good test for further SPI-required projects
[0:05] <rikkib> Not likely... The morons threw me of the forum
[0:05] <rikkib> And other issues that I will not live with.
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[0:05] <terraforma> hmmm, definitely wasn't the power strip causing the problem. shitsville.
[0:05] <frikinz> Grievar: most complex for me is the webapp, jquery and all these stuffs :)
[0:05] <CelticTurnip> rikkib: nice! :-/
[0:06] <rikkib> Sooner or later a better board will be available
[0:06] <rikkib> ]Not RPI
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[0:06] <CelticTurnip> rikkib: on #openbsd there's a guy gumboot you may want to talk to, he's involved in the arm hardware scene... he seems to know a hell of a lot about arm hardware, and boards I've never heard of :)
[0:06] <rikkib> The RPi is an educational tool
[0:06] <rikkib> that is all
[0:07] <rikkib> I use STM32V arm7 boards but they have no eth
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[0:11] <CelticTurnip> gotta love wanting to go home from work... and looking at the clock and it's only 10AM :)
[0:12] <linuxstb> Liz has said "very early in 2013" for the camera?
[0:12] <TAFB> i Just made a cool Pi video :) What your Pi does when you power it with the crappiest MicroUSB cable on earth... uploading to youtube, will post the link when complete :)
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[0:19] <rikkib> One sd card slot cut in my ali case
[0:20] <terraforma> well shit. I read somewhere on the forum (i think) that the psu from a kindle fire was perfect for the RPi.. I hope mine isn't defective or something... :(
[0:20] <TAFB> terra, it's more the cable, than the powersupply, as I've found out :( wait till you see my video.
[0:21] <TAFB> make sure you check TP1-TP2 voltage with a volt meter: http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
[0:22] <terraforma> TAFB: That makes a lot of sense actually, but I thought I'd read that someone had success with the kindle one (its cable is attatched)
[0:22] <TAFB> oh, it's an all in one cable and power adapter?
[0:22] <TAFB> i hate those, incase you every mess up the cable, you gotta buy the whole thing again
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[0:23] <terraforma> yeah, well it came with my GFs kindle, so its no loss. Just disapointment
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[0:24] <TAFB> I tried powering my new Pi from the TV and a 1000ma adapter, both of them cause the Pi to crash, almost like the blue screen of death on windows!
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[0:24] <TAFB> then I tried it with my known good 2amp power supply, same problem, so I knew it was the cable
[0:24] <TAFB> I had bought two, so I grabbed the second one, same problem!
[0:24] <TAFB> I then grabbed the original cable that came with my blackberry phone, worked flawless.
[0:25] <terraforma> interesting.
[0:25] <TAFB> the two cables I bought said "30ga/30ga" which is garbage quality. The best cables are 24ga (power)/28ga (data) :(
[0:26] <terraforma> yeah, 30ga is pretty wimpy.
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[0:26] <TAFB> for sure :(
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[0:27] <TAFB> you can see my Pi trying to turn on the USB and ethernet, and ever time the voltage drops to under 4v! then it turns them off, power jumps back up, tries to turn them on again, and eventually it just gives up and crashes.
[0:28] <terraforma> thats lame..
[0:28] <rikkib> RPi half mounted in my case to test sd card fits... Next cut slot for usb...
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[0:30] <terraforma> are there any PSUs or cable combos that are a sure thing? I've heard of hit or miss no matter what.
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[0:36] <IDONTKNOW1> What wireless USB dongles work with the Raspberrr preinstalled OS?
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[0:40] <terraforma> IDONTKNOW1: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[0:40] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/ One RPi mounted in case... Just Eth and pwr connecter holes to make.
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[0:41] <rikkib> Lunch time
[0:42] <IDONTKNOW1> I dont know which one I should get out of that list
[0:42] <rikkib> First... What is streaming like for those watching?
[0:42] <IDONTKNOW1> Can anyone link me to one?
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[0:43] <rikkib> It should give a steady 1fps
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[1:00] <TAFB> What happens to your raspberry pi when you use the crappiest microUSB cable on earth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw&hd=1
[1:03] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Nice meter bro :P
[1:03] <TAFB> thanks, I like the backlight :)
[1:03] <ParkerR_> Also nice TV
[1:03] <ParkerR_> Mine's weird. 1214x690
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[1:04] <TAFB> is that the actual res? lol
[1:04] <ParkerR_> I dunno but that is what fits
[1:04] <TAFB> nuts :)
[1:04] <ParkerR_> And looks correct
[1:04] <TAFB> you've tried disabling overscan and ish?
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[1:04] <ParkerR_> Same if I do it on my computer
[1:04] <ParkerR_> 1212x680
[1:04] <TAFB> somethin wacky goin on over there
[1:04] <ParkerR_> TAFB, This TV always overscans
[1:05] <TAFB> oh, you can't shut that off?
[1:05] <ParkerR_> Nope
[1:05] <TAFB> I had to shut it off on my plasma or everything looked so blurry! :)
[1:05] <ParkerR_> Old enough that it doesn't have a menu option for thT
[1:05] <ParkerR_> *that
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[1:07] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB: After seeing your channel, I've decided I need to go out riding more. Should hit the twisties tomorrow =)
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[1:08] <TAFB> It's snowing here, no riding for me :(
[1:08] <TAFB> so... you bastard!
[1:08] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[1:10] <ParkerR_> TAFB, http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Hitachi-42HDF39.htm
[1:10] <ParkerR_> Resolution: 1024x1024
[1:10] <ParkerR_> As I said. Weird TV
[1:11] <ParkerR_> But it was cheap back in 2007
[1:11] <ParkerR_> Got it for like $800
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[1:11] <IDONTKNOW1> Hey anyone have experience accessing the Raspberry pis IO pins?
[1:11] <IDONTKNOW1> Is it difficult?
[1:12] <IDONTKNOW1> I'm interested in interfacing with electronics
[1:12] <ParkerR_> Well it's easy to access. There is a giant header for them :P
[1:12] <TAFB> know: there's a great pinout diagram... one moment for link
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[1:13] <ShiftPlusOne> IDONTKNOW1: difficulty is relative. Depends on what you're comfortable with and what you're doing exactly. You should be fine, there are plenty of libraries that make it easy for you.
[1:14] <IDONTKNOW1> Also what voltages are on the IO pins?
[1:14] <TAFB> primarily 3.3
[1:14] <TAFB> know: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[1:14] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[1:14] <TAFB> that's for the old gen1 pi
[1:14] <TAFB> rofl shift :)
[1:15] <IDONTKNOW1> 3.3, that's a bit annoying. It means for most hobby electronics you will need a converter :s
[1:15] <TAFB> it's for driving LED's mostly ;)
[1:15] <TAFB> here's the ver2 pinout: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-Layout-Revision-2-e1347664831557.png
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[1:16] <IDONTKNOW1> hmm
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[1:18] <IDONTKNOW1> Does it have an A/D converter?
[1:21] <mgottschlag> no
[1:22] <IDONTKNOW1> if I needed one I could use an external chip and serial communication or something.
[1:22] <IDONTKNOW1> (microcontroller)
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[1:23] <mgottschlag> especially if you have real-time requirements of some sort, an external microcontroller is a good thing as well
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[1:24] <IDONTKNOW1> I'm really interested in using this as a control board for a mobile robot
[1:24] <plugwash> yeah a microcontroller and an embedded linux board like the Pi can be a good combo. The microcontroller can deal with analog stuff and timing critical stuff while the embedded linux board can deal with talking with the outside world.
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[1:25] <IDONTKNOW1> I was thinking being able to plug in a wireless card makes wireless really easy....
[1:25] <Grievar> It seems like it wouldn't be hard to eliminate the microcontroller though :/
[1:26] <mgottschlag> Grievar: you'd have to eliminate linux though, or use a real-time capable hypervisor of some sort
[1:26] <Grievar> well like
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[1:26] <Grievar> Hmm
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[1:29] <mgottschlag> actually, one could use the videocore as a separate realtime system if it was available
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[1:29] <Grievar> mgottschlag: I feel like all you'd need to do is make one task 'special': it's allowed to disable interrupts, and its memory pages are always valid
[1:29] <Grievar> mgottschlag: then that thing could just enable interrupts, do timing-critical stuff, and then disable them,
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[1:30] <mgottschlag> hm, or a linux with a proper realtime scheduler and the -rt patches, that would probably have the same effect
[1:32] <mgottschlag> I once did something like you say, on windows though, with a kernel driver which would disable interrupts for a longer period of time in order to get microsecond accuracy timers - it was one bit hack, but it worked rather reliably
[1:33] <mgottschlag> only worked because there was a second cpu core which wasn't blocked though :)
[1:33] <Grievar> mgottschlag: you could also implement your uC code as a kernel module
[1:34] <Grievar> you'd have to do backflips to figure out the abstraction there but it would work
[1:34] <mgottschlag> kernel threads are scheduled like user code though, so you would still need the same realtime hacks
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[1:35] <mgottschlag> hm, well, no, you wouldn't if you did everything in interrupt handlers
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[1:35] <mgottschlag> probably would be at least a bit cleaner :)
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[1:37] <mgottschlag> well, the interrupt handler part was completely wrong, one probably could register high-priority tasks everywhere
[1:37] <mgottschlag> anyways, I am off, gn8
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[1:52] <Gero> Can the Raspberry be used to control CNC?
[1:53] <Grievar> Gero: depends on the CNC device
[1:53] <Gero> I build stepper drivers...
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[1:55] <Grievar> Gero: hm?
[1:55] <Grievar> Gero: so the CNC device is one you built?
[1:55] <Gero> Will build, have not yet.
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[1:56] <Gero> I was interested in haveing it driver stepper motor drivers.
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[1:57] <Gero> Doesn't look like it currently has any software for this type of thing.
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[1:59] <Gero> Would be nice if it had a GCode reader
[1:59] <Gero> Something like this: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/documentation
[1:59] <Grievar> Gero: link doesn't work?
[2:00] <Gero> http://www.linuxcnc.org/
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[2:05] <Gero> Maybe I could write my own GCode reader
[2:07] <mrhobbz> man.. i really need one of those clip arm setups for working on soldering and what not
[2:08] <ParkerR_> Man I love omxplayer
[2:09] <ParkerR_> Via ssh run "omxplayer -o hdmi http://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp4/twit.cachefly.net/video/twit/twit0383/twit0383_h264m_1280x720_1872.mp4" and it runs on the TV
[2:09] <Datalink> omxplayer can play web streams?
[2:09] <ParkerR_> Yep
[2:09] <TAFB> can I connect to my Pi (by ssh) and see the main session, not start a new one?
[2:10] <ParkerR_> -o hdmi is for audio output to hdmi
[2:10] <Datalink> TAFB, not by default, you would need one of several screen sharing tools like screen
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[2:10] <ParkerR_> But if you use screen you cant run apps that use the framebuffer
[2:10] <ParkerR_> *programs
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[2:11] <Datalink> you can't framebuffer with SSH anyway
[2:11] <ParkerR_> Well omxplayer can run in SSH but outputs to framebuffer
[2:11] <TAFB> i need to run the expand file system, but keep an eye on the progress remotely
[2:11] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Screen will be just fine for that
[2:11] <ParkerR_> sudo apt-get install screen
[2:11] <TAFB> ok, it won't interfere with quake3?
[2:12] <ParkerR_> Then run "screen" on the Pi. Then SSH in an run "screen -x"
[2:12] <ParkerR_> Well it won't run quake 3
[2:12] <ParkerR_> But its not running for you anyways :P
[2:12] <TAFB> no, I don't mean run quake3 over screen
[2:12] <TAFB> lol, I meant running quake3 local
[2:12] <TAFB> with screen running in the background
[2:12] <ParkerR_> No it wont
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[2:12] <ParkerR_> You can detach from the screen session
[2:13] <TAFB> ok.
[2:13] <ParkerR_> And it will dump back tot he normal terminal
[2:13] <TAFB> can I ssh in, install screen, then run screen-x or no?
[2:13] <ParkerR_> *to the
[2:13] <ParkerR_> The screen session has to be started from the Pi locally
[2:13] <ParkerR_> Not over SSH
[2:13] <TAFB> ahhh, okies. brb then
[2:13] <CelticTurnip> meh screen, install tmux if it's available :P
[2:15] <ParkerR_> There's *almost* no need for XBMC with just omxplayer XD
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[2:17] <TAFB> when I run screen -x it says "there is no screen to be attached"
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[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> -x is to reattach to an existing screens ession
[2:17] <ShiftPlusOne> you can skip the -x if it's the first time you're launching it
[2:17] <TAFB> ahhh, I forgot to run "Screen" on the Pi
[2:18] <TAFB> brb
[2:18] <pksato> omxplayer can access /dev/video? (v4l devices)
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[2:18] <Dagger2> or use `screen -xDRR` and it'll create a new session if one doesn't already exist
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[2:18] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB: no need to launch on the pi, you can launch from ssh just fine.
[2:18] <CelticTurnip> or do
[2:19] <CelticTurnip> tmux
[2:19] <CelticTurnip> and do it properly
[2:19] <CelticTurnip> :P
[2:19] <CelticTurnip> screen is crusty old garbage :P
[2:19] <TAFB> ok, I'm lost. When I log in by SSH and run screen -x it says there is no screen attached.
[2:19] <TAFB> I ran "screen" on the Pi
[2:19] <TAFB> it's sitting at the shell
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB: then it's working
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather has worked
[2:20] <TAFB> but I can't ssh into the same shell that's on the tv
[2:20] <ShiftPlusOne> oh, right
[2:20] <TAFB> lol
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe I should've read the situation first
[2:21] <TAFB> lol
[2:21] <TAFB> do I just run "Screen" on the pi or is there something else I have to do?
[2:21] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, go launch it on the pi so that that's what's on your screen
[2:21] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: do you know what screen is actually for? it's so you can attach a shell and detach it as needed
[2:21] <TAFB> screen -sharesession or something?
[2:21] <TAFB> i already ran screen
[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather screen -xDRR
[2:22] <TAFB> ahhh
[2:22] <TAFB> okies. lemme try that.
[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> no wait
[2:22] <ShiftPlusOne> what have you done? what are you expecting?
[2:22] <CelticTurnip> he has a screen session running on his tv
[2:22] <CelticTurnip> he hasn't detached it
[2:22] <CelticTurnip> and go...
[2:22] <TAFB> says "attching from inside of screen??"
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> then it's already running and you're trying to attach to itself from within itself....
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> space-time continuum problem
[2:23] <TAFB> yes, I already ran screen once :)
[2:23] <TAFB> with no switches
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> is that what's on your tv?
[2:23] <TAFB> yes
[2:23] <ShiftPlusOne> then ssh and screen -x should get into that session
[2:24] <TAFB> "there is no screen to be attached", because when I first ran "screen" on my "tv" I didn't put any switches?
[2:24] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't sound right
[2:24] <TAFB> lol
[2:24] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll just assume you did something horribly wrong and go sleep
[2:24] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[2:24] <TAFB> lemme reboot the pi and start over, one sec.
[2:25] <CelticTurnip> why are you rebooting?
[2:25] <CelticTurnip> you're missing the point of screen
[2:25] <TAFB> cause a reboot solves everything, on windows
[2:25] <CelticTurnip> it allows you to open a shell, close it at any time while it keeps running in the background
[2:25] <TAFB> celtic: I need to connect in by SSH and see what is on my TV, so I can keep an eye on a hard disk expanstion
[2:25] <CelticTurnip> I'm not sure if screen allows multiple connections to the same session, but if you do need that I know that definitely can happen using tmux
[2:25] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/ Finished all the holes in my new ali case... Just the mounting rails to fit...
[2:26] <TAFB> ok
[2:26] <TAFB> tmux sounds like what i need
[2:26] <CelticTurnip> tmux is shell based, like screen
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[2:27] <CelticTurnip> if you're expanding the hard drive from the shell all you need to do is, ssh on to the pi, run screen, run whatever commands you want... you can close the ssh session when ever you want, and reattached it when you need
[2:27] <TAFB> the hard drive expansion runs automatically when i reboot the pi
[2:28] <CelticTurnip> the only time I've used those tools, they've had me reboot and when the machine comes back up the drive is done
[2:28] <TAFB> oh damn
[2:28] <CelticTurnip> so I'm not sure what you're using that would require you to use ssh unless you're running some other command
[2:28] <TAFB> totally forgot it reboots after
[2:28] <TAFB> ignore me
[2:29] <TAFB> no need to watch it, i'll know when it reboots by ping test
[2:29] <TAFB> my bad
[2:29] <TAFB> how do I uninstall screen?
[2:30] <nico103> why would you uninstall screen?
[2:30] <TAFB> cause I need this to be a virgin system when done, nothing added to wheezy image
[2:31] <ShiftPlusOne> because he is falling for the anti-screen tmux propaganda.
[2:31] <TAFB> rofl
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[2:33] <nico103> well, check out what make install does, then undo it
[2:34] <nico103> maybe it has an uninstall targer
[2:34] <TAFB> dpkg -r screeb
[2:34] <nico103> target
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[2:34] <TAFB> woot, worked
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[2:35] <TAFB> -bash: screen: command not found
[2:35] <TAFB> yay
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[2:35] <pksato> luvcview can now show stable imagem from cheap webcam.
[2:36] <TAFB> nice! how fast?
[2:37] <pksato> 2.8fps. ops, I misstyped, now is to be not.
[2:39] <mrhobbz> hmmm
[2:39] <mrhobbz> doh
[2:39] <mrhobbz> stupid logitech c920
[2:40] <bjp> is it better in raspbian to install python packages that require compiling (like cython) using apt-get or easy_install/pip ?
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[2:41] * plugwash would generally use apt-get where possible
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[2:42] <plugwash> but there is something of a tradoff, versions installed with upstream tools are likely to be newer but may also not be well tested in a debian wheezy environment
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[2:43] <bjp> thats what i figured
[2:43] <bjp> i don't know if any of those packages needed any modifications to work/be optimized on pi
[2:43] <echelon> if i use a partition on an sd card as swap space, does that mean that the lifespan of the sector region of that partition degrades over time specifically, or the entire sd card as a whole?
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[2:45] <noblezeus> rikkib: video looks good; what camera are you using?
[2:46] <TAFB> where is the link? i missed it :)
[2:47] <TAFB> oh no! "resize2fs FAILED!" :(
[2:47] <rikkib> Web cam demo of my case... I will pull it apart and put it back together again...
[2:48] <rikkib> Ontop cam
[2:48] <plugwash> echelon, depends how dumb the "wear leveling" algorithm in the SD card is
[2:48] <rikkib> uvc
[2:48] <rikkib> Cheap
[2:48] <echelon> hmm
[2:48] <rikkib> $40NZD
[2:48] <noblezeus> looks like 1f/sec
[2:48] <echelon> well what's the standard practice
[2:49] <rikkib> All the bits
[2:49] <rikkib> Closeup of case bottom
[2:49] <plugwash> IIRC the standard practice with SD cards is that logical blocks that get changed get moved arround the card but logical blocks that don't get changed tend to stay in place
[2:49] <plugwash> which is not really very good for a device that will be used to hold an operating system :(
[2:50] <rikkib> top
[2:50] <TAFB> ok, re-imaging :( will try resizefs again
[2:50] <rikkib> Putting it back together
[2:50] <echelon> so it won't matter if i use the last few blocks as the partition?
[2:51] <rikkib> Fist fibre glass insulation
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[2:51] <rikkib> Plastic spacer
[2:51] <rikkib> Goes on usb port
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[2:52] <plugwash> It doesn't matter which logical blocks you put the swap partition on, the physical blocks they use will likely swap arround with other blocks that are getting written
[2:52] <rikkib> Drop intp case
[2:52] <rikkib> SD card goes in
[2:52] <echelon> hmm kk :/
[2:52] <plugwash> what won't swap arround is the blocks containing the unchanging OS files which will lead to very uneven wear :(
[2:53] <rikkib> case top goes on and hold Rpi in place
[2:53] <plugwash> (proper SSDs swap blocks arround occasionally even if they aren't getting written to avoid this but afaict SD cards aren't that smart)
[2:54] <SpeedEvil> it's been reported that SD cards use a wear leveling block of around 1024 blocks
[2:54] <SpeedEvil> this is about 128 meg
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[2:54] <SpeedEvil> so any writes in this block will damage only this block
[2:54] <MachinaeWolf> What is the highest support sd card?
[2:54] <MachinaeWolf> For the pi of course
[2:55] <TAFB> i had trouble with my 64mb
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[2:55] <TAFB> but my 32 works sweet
[2:55] <rikkib> One RPi in industrial type case ready to go inside a larger box once I place mounting rails like the one next to it
[2:55] <SpeedEvil> the unstated problem is that any wear block that is full may brick the card.
[2:55] <SpeedEvil> full = worn out
[2:56] <MachinaeWolf> Well I kinda meant what's the largest size sd card supported 16gb?
[2:56] <rikkib> That's it My case case building video is over for today
[2:56] <rikkib> :)
[2:56] <TAFB> MachinaeWolf: SD cards, fastest to slowest (for the Pi): http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/IOMeter-2008.08.18,2708.html
[2:56] <noblezeus> rikkib: ty
[2:56] <rikkib> np
[2:57] <rikkib> I should draw up plans
[2:57] <MachinaeWolf> thanks TAFB
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[2:57] <rikkib> Maybe I will do so now I have made three
[2:57] <noblezeus> I need to build/buy a proper case; nexus box looks not so nice
[2:57] <TAFB> np. I only found this list, because my Patriot LX 32gb card was SUPER slow serving websites in Pancake!!! When ever I ran a web load test, it loaded like 3 pages per second.
[2:58] <TAFB> I bought the Patriot EB 32gb and it did 163 pages per second :) woot
[2:58] <TAFB> EP not EB :)
[2:58] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[2:59] <rikkib> Courier is coming with two more 512 RPi today... Could not find my place so they had to call me...
[2:59] <TAFB> rik: lol
[3:00] <TAFB> did you see the my youtube video with my super awesome USB power cable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw&hd=1
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[3:00] <rikkib> My two rev 1 boards are going in clients places early next week so I can test over the holiday period... Leaving me with 4 512 RPi
[3:01] <rikkib> here for testing
[3:01] <TAFB> nice
[3:01] <TAFB> what are you using them for?
[3:01] <bjp> shoot, the cython in the repo is too old
[3:01] <rikkib> Maybe I will back order some more soon as there seems to be long delays getting boards
[3:01] <MachinaeWolf> What are the stock items that come with the pi?
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[3:02] <mrhobbz> the pi
[3:02] <rikkib> and I want to get on with these projects
[3:02] <mrhobbz> and a box
[3:02] <MachinaeWolf> I thought it came with some cables?
[3:02] <mrhobbz> static bag
[3:02] <rikkib> The two clients are very influential
[3:02] <TAFB> Machinae: What, the Pi? comes with none
[3:02] <TAFB> they should include a micro USB cable with it (24 gauge) :(
[3:03] <TAFB> ditch the poly fuse and that'll pay for the cable ;)
[3:03] <mrhobbz> MachinaeWolf: all the ones i have ordered haven't come with cables unless you order a kit
[3:03] <rikkib> One workoing for the largest PC co in NZ and the other the largest recycled PC co in NZ
[3:03] <MachinaeWolf> hmm
[3:03] <rikkib> Gen-I a NZ Telecom owned Company
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[3:04] <ParkerR_> Hmm, no matter how I set my resolution and overscan settings omxplayer stays the same exact size always overscans. My TV does not have an overscan setting. XBMC for example has the option to manually adjust the size in case of forced overscan. Is there any way I can do that for omxplayer?
[3:04] <ParkerR_> *stays the same exact size and always
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[3:05] <mrhobbz> i went out and bought some patriot SD's, thought i got the faster ones but I did't, whoops
[3:05] <axion> ParkerR_: ensure your tv settings are in natural aspect ratio for your tv's dimensions
[3:05] <axion> had me guessing on a few tv's i hooked it up to and that was the cause
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[3:06] <ParkerR_> axion, Along with not having overscan settings, my TV also does not have the aspect ratio thing. All it can do is zoom in on the already cropped image
[3:07] <axion> first of all disable overscan and work from there.
[3:07] <ParkerR_> I did
[3:07] <ParkerR_> In config.txt
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[3:08] <axion> what tv?
[3:08] <TAFB> ok, re-imaged card, expandfs working properly now...
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[3:09] <roasted> hello friends!
[3:10] <TAFB> well hello :)
[3:10] <Gero> >mfw Raspberry was supposed to be for CS and electronics learning, now a bunch of people bought them to hook up to their TVs.
[3:10] <roasted> I have a really dumb question, but I'm curious,so... is there anything specific to watch out for if youutilize two USBHDD's on the Pi?
[3:11] <roasted> I was so worried about power draw with 1 HDD per Pi, I began to wonder, why not two HDDs on a single Pi...
[3:11] <TAFB> Gero: Works great on the TV :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_can_you_spot_it.jpg
[3:11] <roasted> my adapter is 5v, 2a, so I'm assuming I'm more than okay?
[3:11] <TAFB> as long as the hard drives have their own power adapter, you are ok
[3:11] <geordie> i have three raspberry's, one for the tv and two for cs and electronics learning
[3:11] <TAFB> if they are USB bus powered, you're going to need to do some soldering to make them work.
[3:12] <roasted> they're self powered
[3:12] <roasted> they have their own AC adapter
[3:12] <MachinaeWolf> Is there a nice bundle that comes with a power cable, wifi receiver, and video cables?
[3:12] <roasted> but even still they still draw mA from the USB ports, no?
[3:12] <TAFB> I only have two Pi's :) one is webside/email server and I haven't figured out what the second one will be, maybe a h264 ip camera stream server.
[3:12] <TAFB> roasted: they do not, their power wires aren't even connect in the usb cable!
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[3:13] <rikkib> What are you running for email?
[3:13] <roasted> TAFB: I have a basic web server along with two H264 streams on a single Pi. Works great, minimum load.
[3:13] <axion> TAFB: did you mod the 2nd yet?
[3:13] <roasted> TAFB: ah okay, so if the USB HDD needs power from the USB port, then it draws 140mA, but if they're self powered, it draws nothing?
[3:13] <rikkib> I run sendmail here
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[3:13] <rikkib> On my x86 sys
[3:14] <TAFB> roasted: The problem I have, the stupid Panasonic IP camera, the H264 it puts out, won't play in bsplayer, jwplayer, flow player, etc. I have to transcode it with VLC. Do you think I could use the pi to remux it's H264 to be flash compatible?
[3:14] <mrhobbz> ah how i don't miss running mail servers
[3:14] <TAFB> roasted: If powered by USB they draw a MINIMUM 500ma. Most of them draw 700 to 800.
[3:14] <Dagger2> its*
[3:14] <TAFB> rikkib: I'm running Citadel
[3:15] <roasted> TAFB: oh wait... the USB ports on the Pi can put out 140mA, which is too little for powering a HDD...
[3:15] <roasted> TAFB: I remember reading something about the power the USB ports either put out or draw, etc. There was a 140mA in there somewhere.
[3:15] <TAFB> yep. my USB ports on my Pi put out 3000ma, so I'm good :) http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[3:15] <roasted> you m odded yours?
[3:15] <rikkib> Hmmm. Been so long since I set up my mail server I have forgotten... It just keeps on running...
[3:15] <mrhobbz> 3000?
[3:15] <axion> TAFB: did you mod the 2nd yet?
[3:16] <TAFB> roasted: On the old Pi's, they had poly fuses to limit the usb ports to 140ma each. The new ones don't have these poly fuses, but there is a main 700ma poly fuse that limites everything to 700ma, so basically 500ma for the Pi and 200ma shared between the two ports.
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[3:16] * rikkib is an email nazi... I hate spammers and take any chance to deal to them
[3:16] <roasted> TAFB: I see. I'm pretty sure my Pi's are older.
[3:16] <pksato> raspberry pi shooting yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JftgqNuyRO4
[3:17] <ParkerR_> axion, http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Hitachi-42HDF39.htm
[3:17] <TAFB> If you bridge the USB power pins together, you can get 200ma to a single port, but still 100ma shared. Or if you bridge F3 and bridge the power pins you can run about 600ma per port. If you solder the bridge wires from F3/D17 to the usb power pins (plus bridge) you can pull 3000ma between the two ports (or 3amps on one).
[3:17] <ParkerR_> pksato, Umm something isnt working there :P
[3:17] <TAFB> you can also back power the Pi, and pull 6.5 amps from one port (but the USB cables will melt).
[3:17] <roasted> TAFB: but, just to clear the air, is that to suggest that if you're using self powered hard drives, that a Pi with no USBHDD's vs a Pi with 2 USB HDD's, it's still under the same stress and not drawing any additional power?
[3:18] <TAFB> roasted: usually
[3:18] <ParkerR_> axion, Weird older TV. Really want to get a new one
[3:18] <Gero> you can buy a powered USB spliter
[3:18] <axion> ParkerR_: config.txt -> pastebin
[3:18] <TAFB> roasted: a volt meter between TP1 and TP2 will give you the answer ;)
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[3:18] <rikkib> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/01/battling-the-zombie-web-site-armies/
[3:19] <ParkerR_> axion, config.txt minus the disabl_overscan line http://pastebin.com/iFnvVYxC
[3:19] <ParkerR_> *disable
[3:19] <TAFB> axion: I have no modded the 2nd pit yet. Did you see my youtube video?
[3:19] <pksato> This webcam is crap.
[3:19] <roasted> Gero: I'm more curious about the Pi itself remaining stable. I guess I'm overthinking it, but I don't want to add a 2nd USB HDD to the mix (even if they're both self powered) if it'llcompromise the Pi in any way, or stress it any harder.
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[3:19] <ParkerR_> axion, Also uploading a video explaining it
[3:20] <TAFB> roasted: TP1 to TP2 voltage will tell you all. 4.9v or over = perfect. 4.8v and over is OK. Under 4.8v you need better USB cable and/or power supply.
[3:20] <TAFB> great cable: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5458&seq=1&format=2
[3:20] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/ My web cam gives good images but need wrapping in a web page to make the images a bit larger
[3:21] <roasted> TAFB: I guess I need a volt meter then. Ididn't know things were so contingent upon the results of a volt meter. I figured it would be more black and white.
[3:21] <TAFB> nope
[3:21] <rikkib> I think I have a page... Let me find it...
[3:21] <TAFB> the Pi needs constant checking of voltage, until everything is connected and running.
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[3:21] <TAFB> without that you'll have no way to know why it's rebooting. crashing, etc.
[3:21] <TAFB> want a link for a super good/cheap one?
[3:22] <roasted> TAFB: thereby suggesting, if I'mnotrebooting or crashing, I should be good?
[3:22] <roasted> lolspacebaronthislaptopsucks
[3:22] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ Resizing gives lesser quality
[3:23] <TAFB> roasted: maybe. if you're super close to the limit, and say you stress the cpu or graphics or network a bit, boom, crash. So it could run fine for a week, then mess up.
[3:23] <TAFB> best to give it lots of head room :)
[3:23] <TAFB> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ammeter-Voltmeter-Ohm-Test-Meter-Professional-Electric-Digital-Multimeter-DT830B-Free-Shipping/476279580.html
[3:23] <rikkib> That page is ofr two cams but one is off line atm
[3:23] <axion> ParkerR_: have you tried to read the tv's edid yet?
[3:24] <rikkib> But for my application quality is not a real issue
[3:24] <roasted> TAFB: good deal. I might just pick up one locally.
[3:24] <ParkerR_> axion, I can. One. I've seen the command to dump it
[3:24] <TAFB> roasted: sounds good. make sure you get one that has a 10 amp load test.
[3:25] <ParkerR_> pksato, Oh also my Pi streaming itself live :D http://minecrafted.mooo.com:8080/?action=stream
[3:25] <TAFB> roasted: checking the voltage to the Pi internals (TP1 to TP2) http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
[3:26] <pksato> ParkerR_: nice.
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[3:29] <ParkerR_> axion, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wLuWKAts
[3:29] <rikkib> ParkerR_, I will point my cam at my screen and see if you can see what I see... Which is the screen redraw is a bit slow...
[3:29] <ParkerR_> Yeah I know
[3:29] <ParkerR_> Mine is slow
[3:29] <ParkerR_> I keep it low
[3:30] <ParkerR_> Poet and don't know it XD
[3:30] <TAFB> ok, compile quake time :)
[3:31] <noblezeus> ParkerR_: what cam are you using?
[3:31] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Did you figure out why it was rebooting?
[3:31] <TAFB> will know after this compile
[3:31] <ParkerR_> noblezeus, Lifecam HD-5001
[3:31] <TAFB> bone stock Pi, no over clock, fresh image
[3:31] <TAFB> parker: did you see my awesome youtube video, the great start with my 2nd pi? lol
[3:31] <ParkerR_> TAFB, The lower power cable?
[3:31] <TAFB> yeah
[3:31] <TAFB> lol
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[3:32] <rikkib> ParkerR_, You stream looks good enough for the purposes I want..
[3:32] <ParkerR_> This webcam was $16 with free shipping
[3:33] <noblezeus> ParkerR_: where?
[3:33] <axion> there is no reason why CEA 5 wont work unless your monitor reports bad info
[3:33] <ParkerR_> 15 free shipping http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-LifeCam-HD-5001-Webcam-GNF-00001-USB-Life-Camera-Cam-HD-5000-/200828316202?pt=PCA_Video_Conferencing_Webcams&hash=item2ec24cea2a
[3:33] <ParkerR_> axion, REALLY tiny text
[3:33] <rikkib> I need a bigger desk
[3:33] <axion> ParkerR_:
[3:34] <axion> comment the overscan settings...all of it except the disable
[3:34] <ParkerR_> And it still overscans on 1920x1080
[3:34] <axion> get rid of the mode
[3:34] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[3:34] <ParkerR_> Just basically no mode and overscan and only disable_overscan?
[3:34] <TAFB> how do I paste in putty? sheesh
[3:35] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Right click
[3:35] <axion> yes...try that first. i want to know the results just like that
[3:35] <TAFB> who'd think that one up Parker? rofl
[3:35] <axion> it might not work but we'll work from there
[3:35] <TAFB> wow, putty is so much faster than x11vnc :)
[3:35] <axion> it SHOULD be in mode 4 still without it
[3:35] <ParkerR_> axion, Wile I try this heres the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdFd0qc0lvg
[3:35] <ParkerR_> *While
[3:36] * axion checks
[3:37] <ParkerR_> axion, Looks like it defaults to a 1080 mode
[3:38] <axion> tvservice -s
[3:38] <ParkerR_> state: HPD high|HDMI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x12001a), 1920x1080 @ 60Hz, interlaced
[3:38] <ParkerR_> Yep
[3:38] <TAFB> interlaced? yuk
[3:38] <axion> ok mode 4 CEA
[3:39] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Yeah :|
[3:39] <axion> european tv?
[3:39] <axion> pal?
[3:39] <ParkerR_> Afaik no
[3:39] <ParkerR_> Nope NTSC
[3:39] <TAFB> must be an option to force progressive scan?
[3:40] <ParkerR_> ON the TV? Heck no
[3:40] <TAFB> no
[3:40] <TAFB> in the pi
[3:40] <axion> this is odd...because your tv link says 1024x1024
[3:40] <ParkerR_> axion, I know. I've never understood it
[3:40] <TAFB> my friend has tv that's 1024x1024! it's so wacky
[3:40] <axion> it says nothing about 1920x1080p
[3:41] <axion> 1080i is the max...
[3:41] <TAFB> we had to run it in 1024x768 mode and just leave the black bars on the screen
[3:41] <TAFB> only way to make it not super fuzzy
[3:41] <ParkerR_> Yep
[3:41] <ParkerR_> Fuzzy
[3:41] <TAFB> fuzzy :(
[3:41] <axion> try setting the mode to 720p 60hz
[3:41] <axion> see if it is still all messed up
[3:41] <ParkerR_> http://withg.org/parkerlreed/IMG_0721.JPG
[3:42] <ParkerR_> axion, Thats the mode I had it on
[3:42] <ParkerR_> mode 4
[3:42] <axion> err wait
[3:42] <axion> you were using mode 4
[3:42] <ParkerR_> Yes
[3:42] <axion> both 720p and 1080i look cut off then?
[3:43] <ParkerR_> Yes as I said pretty much everything is cut off
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[3:43] <ParkerR_> Last I remember 1024x768 wasn't but the TV stretches it
[3:43] <TAFB> I think parker needs to invest in: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-ACHIEVA-Shimian-QH270-IPSMS-HDMI-DVI-D-VGA-27-LED-2560x1440-PC-Monitor-/220994030736?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item3374454c90
[3:43] <axion> you verified it was indeed in 720p mode with tvservice -s?
[3:43] <ParkerR_> axion, I can check but I'm pretty sure it was
[3:43] <axion> and not the 1080i
[3:43] <axion> ok
[3:43] <ParkerR_> One sec
[3:44] <ParkerR_> That is mode 4 in the video I posted
[3:44] <TAFB> parker: no rush on this, when I run the first command in building quake: sudo apt-get install git gcc build-essential libsdl1.2-dev
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[3:44] <TAFB> I get tons of: Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/m/mesa/libglu1-mesa-dev_8.0.4-2_armhf.deb 404 Not Found
[3:45] <akiwiguy> apt-get update
[3:45] <ParkerR_> TAFB, sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgarde
[3:45] <TAFB> okies :)
[3:45] <ParkerR_> It will fetch the newer links :P
[3:45] <ParkerR_> *upgrade
[3:45] <TAFB> that should be step 1 in the walkthrough ;)
[3:45] <axion> this is weird.
[3:45] <ParkerR_> axion, Yep "state: HPD high|HDMI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x12001a), 1280x720 @ 60Hz, progressive"
[3:46] <ParkerR_> Mode 4 looks great with my custom overscan
[3:46] <TAFB> can he force 1024x1024 progessive?
[3:46] <ParkerR_> But some things (like omxplayer) use the entire screen
[3:46] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Heh yeah
[3:47] <ParkerR_> Either a new monitor or TV
[3:47] <TAFB> yeah, new TV would help too, they are so freakin cheap now
[3:47] <ParkerR_> re: the ebay link
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[3:47] <TAFB> local store had 32" 720p on sale for $149 or 42" 1080p for $349!
[3:47] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[3:47] <ParkerR_> I'm going to try 1024x768. It will stretch but it should not overscan
[3:48] <axion> ParkerR_: i have been in this situation with only 1 tv...ive tried quite a few with my pi.
[3:48] <mrhobbz> anyone have any ideas of how one might turn the LEDs off on a logitech c920 while using motion
[3:48] <axion> ParkerR_: i ended up using xbmc which lets you position it...but iirc it didnt save between instances
[3:48] <TAFB> mrhobbs: cut them inside?
[3:49] <ParkerR_> axion, It does on my Raspbmc install
[3:49] <ParkerR_> Just I love my Raspbian SD card :)
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> mrhobbz: duck rape
[3:49] <SpeedEvil> duct tape
[3:49] <ParkerR_> mrhobbz, I hate you. The c920 is so freaking nice
[3:50] <axion> ParkerR_: oh, so different versions of the firmware
[3:51] <mrhobbz> SpeedEvil: good call, i don't want to hack up a $100 camera
[3:51] <mrhobbz> ParkerR_: what webcam you running? i've used this thing once since i've had it...
[3:52] <ParkerR_> Lifecam HD-5001
[3:52] <SpeedEvil> many cameras cannot turn off the lights, if it's dim
[3:52] <ParkerR_> C920 is nice for built in h264 decoder
[3:52] <rikkib> Ahha two RPi just arrived Wanta watch me unwrap?
[3:52] <TAFB> congrats rikkib :)
[3:52] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081/
[3:53] <axion> ParkerR_: try the very latest firmware and pray it was fixed
[3:53] <rikkib> Cam alligned
[3:53] <rikkib> Knife
[3:53] * techman2 watches rpi get unwrapped
[3:53] <mrhobbz> i think i might put it in my case so i can watch all the empty space and fans spin
[3:53] <ParkerR_> axion, Pray what?
[3:54] <techman2> rikkib: how long have they been on order?
[3:54] <axion> your hdmi issue goes away
[3:54] <ParkerR_> Ahh
[3:54] * ParkerR_ runs rpi-update
[3:54] <rikkib> Oooo p[retty pink
[3:54] <TAFB> I'm running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[3:54] <TAFB> it's taking a while
[3:55] <ParkerR_> axion, Sadly most likely not. My TV is like this for everything that uses HDMI
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[3:56] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: wh are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[3:56] <rikkib> 4 Rpi
[3:56] <TAFB> cause there's three updates that won't install without dist-update
[3:56] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Best reason ever :D
[3:57] <ParkerR_> :P
[3:57] <TAFB> :)
[3:57] <CelticTurnip> I'd be questioning why not, given what dist-upgrade actually is
[3:57] <CelticTurnip> I dunno who makes these distros but they're a tad clueless
[3:57] <rikkib> Made in China labels just the same as the E14 ones... These two came from RS
[3:57] <axion> yeah fast solution buy a tv that doesnt say 1024x1024
[3:57] <ParkerR_> axion, "Your firmware is already up to date"
[3:57] <TAFB> rikkib: that is unfortunate
[3:57] * rikkib is as happy as a pig in mud...
[3:57] <ParkerR_> :|
[3:57] <techman2> rikkib: how long have you had those RS ones on order?
[3:58] <rikkib> July from memory
[3:58] <techman2> anyone got any idea why RS are struggling so badly compared to E14?
[3:59] <TAFB> e14/newark has been getting big shipments for a while now :)
[3:59] <ParkerR_> Mine from E14 was order on Nov 23 and arrived on the 28th
[3:59] <ParkerR_> *ordered
[3:59] <TAFB> my newark one i ordered dec 8th and received dec 10th
[3:59] <ParkerR_> TAFB, :O
[3:59] <ParkerR_> Nice
[3:59] <TAFB> yep, their website said they had 3,000 in stock.
[4:00] <TAFB> my friend saw mine and wanted one on tuesday, when I checked, website said 0 stock :(
[4:00] <techman2> they don't show stock levels when you order from them now
[4:00] <rikkib> I contacted my E14 rep and they bent over backwards to supply and two arrived with two days
[4:00] <ParkerR_> Mine said shipped from South Carolina. Shipped on the 27th and got here on the 28th. Gotta love living in Tennessee XD
[4:00] <TAFB> http://canada.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302
[4:00] <TAFB> stock level ;)
[4:00] <rikkib> within
[4:00] <techman2> TAFB: au.element14.com don't anymore though
[4:01] <TAFB> probably because people were watching the stock then piling on the orderes. they probably want people to just pre-order
[4:01] <ParkerR_> axion, So I guess I'll have to poke the omxplayer dev about maybe having some resolution parameters
[4:01] <CelticTurnip> techman2: they do but only if you use a direct link, if you search you end up that Pi portal page... and they cost $3 more...
[4:01] <rikkib> The pretty pink RS box has a holder for a sd card
[4:01] <techman2> just get this page now: http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi3.html?isRedirect=true
[4:02] <techman2> CelticTurnip: do you have the link?
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[4:05] <rikkib> The pretty pink plastic box no close once you pull the tape off.
[4:05] <CelticTurnip> techman2: sorry was talking to someone, I'll query you the link
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[4:07] <techman2> rikkib: what are your plans for the pi?
[4:07] <rikkib> Current project is a gate opener
[4:08] <rikkib> vid/aud
[4:08] <rikkib> gate at 150 meters away
[4:08] <TAFB> nice
[4:08] <rikkib> 24v dc and cat5e to gate
[4:08] <rikkib> push button to call
[4:09] <rikkib> 4 relays for control
[4:09] <TAFB> rikkib: I have a customer who wants that. A person can pull up to the gate, push a button, have a spakerphone conversation and the guy in the house can see video then unlock gate. All has to run over network :)
[4:09] <rikkib> tamper switch
[4:09] <rikkib> web interface
[4:09] <rikkib> i have the basics running on the bench
[4:09] <ParkerR_> axion, :) https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer/issues/82
[4:10] <rikkib> as you may have seen
[4:10] <TAFB> rikkib: if you get a system working, let me know an assembled price and my customer will go for it right away.
[4:10] <techman2> how are you going to do a 150m run of cat5e?
[4:10] <rikkib> TAFB, Send me an email... whois bencom.co.nz
[4:11] <TAFB> will do.
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> is 150m the edge of the 10mbps spec?
[4:11] <rikkib> pwb@ at that domain to save time
[4:11] <TAFB> it comes from .xxx domain, check your spam folder
[4:11] <rikkib> I do not have a spam folder
[4:11] <TAFB> nice
[4:11] <techman2> recommended max for cat5 is usually no more than 100m
[4:11] <axion> ParkerR_: lets see what happens :)
[4:12] <rikkib> Standard email errors apply
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[4:12] <rikkib> I do block ip addresses but
[4:13] <rikkib> spammer ips etc.
[4:13] <TAFB> e-mail sent
[4:13] <rikkib> isp's
[4:13] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[4:13] <rikkib> Got it
[4:13] <TAFB> lol
[4:13] <rikkib> Thanks
[4:13] <TAFB> you run your own mail server?
[4:13] <rikkib> We can keep in touch
[4:13] <ParkerR_> axion, Heh I put 1240 instead of 1214 oops. Edited.
[4:14] <TAFB> rikkib: sounds good
[4:14] <rikkib> Yes sendmail on my home adls with fixed ip
[4:14] <rikkib> Not fast out but 1mb in... ADSL sucks in the counrty side in NZ
[4:14] <rikkib> 100kb out
[4:15] <TAFB> rikkib: nice. I saw my mail server hand it to yours and you said "got it" so figured you had your own server, fast delivery ;)
[4:15] <techman2> 1mbit would have been stupidly fast in the dialup days
[4:15] <rikkib> I have run my own mail servers and clients for many years
[4:15] <ParkerR_> axion, Optimally I should just get a nice 1080p TV
[4:16] <ParkerR_> But I'm cheap
[4:16] <rikkib> I whack spammers so hard I am on their do not spam lists
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[4:16] <axion> right
[4:17] <damo22> yo
[4:17] <rikkib> I run no filters at all and get virtually no spam... Although one is being annoying atm... hacked wp sites
[4:17] <damo22> im looking for a kernel for wheezy that comes with headers that also supports 512MB for the pi
[4:17] <rikkib> Just like the article from Brian Krebs
[4:17] <ParkerR_> damo22, Default should work just fine
[4:17] <damo22> ParkerR_: cant seem to make it support 512
[4:18] <ParkerR_> What do you mean by support?
[4:18] <ParkerR_> The gpu has to have some memory
[4:18] <damo22> ParkerR_: how do i enable 512MB its only seeing 256
[4:18] <rikkib> What is real dangerous for spammy is I know and regularly talk to Vinton Cerf Google Chief Internet Evangelist.
[4:18] <damo22> i dont want to change my kernel though
[4:18] <ParkerR_> damo22, First update your firmware https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[4:19] <TAFB> damo22: what's the number printed on top of your CPU chip?
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[4:19] <ParkerR_> The in /boot/config.txt you can set gpu_mem=64
[4:19] <ParkerR_> *Then
[4:19] <ParkerR_> ANd that should give more to arm
[4:19] <damo22> TAFB: i have had it report 512 with a different kernel
[4:19] <TAFB> ahh
[4:19] <damo22> but i like this kernel because i need headers
[4:20] <TAFB> what's the command to check the memory on wheezy?
[4:20] <ParkerR_> damo22, How are you checking the RAM?
[4:20] <damo22> top
[4:20] <ParkerR_> That should never be 512
[4:20] <ParkerR_> The max it can be is like 440 something
[4:20] <damo22> yeah but it should be closer to 500 than 250
[4:20] <mrhobbz> ouch, sd card does not like writing webcam
[4:20] <ParkerR_> Maybe a little hugher if yyou do gpu_mem=16
[4:20] <rikkib> Up to date kernel supports 512 but full firmware update is needed
[4:20] <ParkerR_> *higher
[4:21] <damo22> i dont want an up to date kernel i just need one with headers
[4:21] <ParkerR_> You need to update
[4:21] <damo22> so i can compile an out of tree module
[4:21] <TAFB> woot! on step2 for quake3...
[4:21] <damo22> but i need 512 mb
[4:21] <ParkerR_> IT WILL NEVER REPORT 512mb
[4:21] <damo22> dude, just meaning i want the ability to use the other half of my ram
[4:22] <ParkerR_> Ok then gpu_mem=64 in /boot/config.txt
[4:22] <damo22> id rather gpu_mem=0
[4:22] <damo22> lol
[4:22] <ParkerR_> That will leave you with 448mb reported in top
[4:22] <ParkerR_> You cant
[4:22] <ParkerR_> The gpu has to have some memory
[4:22] <damo22> 16
[4:22] <ParkerR_> Lowest it can go is 16
[4:22] <damo22> yeah
[4:23] <damo22> i was kidding
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[4:23] <pksato> to see kernel memory grep Memo.*av /var/log/dmesg
[4:23] <TAFB> parker: When it says in step 3 "#CROSS_COMPILE=bcm2708-"
[4:23] <TAFB> I actually just comment out that line?
[4:23] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Yes
[4:23] <TAFB> k
[4:24] <pksato> or head -1 /proc/meminfo
[4:24] <TAFB> ok, it's building! :)
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[4:25] <damo22> SKIP_KERNEL=1 rpi-update
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[4:25] <roasted_> hello!
[4:25] <damo22> good stuff
[4:26] <roasted_> TABF left?
[4:26] <TAFB> right?
[4:26] <roasted_> oh wow
[4:26] <roasted_> TAFB: I suck
[4:26] <TAFB> what?
[4:26] <TAFB> i'm lost
[4:26] <roasted_> TAFB: I mispelled your name
[4:27] <roasted_> hence why tab complete when I looked for you didn't work
[4:27] <TAFB> oh no :)
[4:27] <roasted_> TAFB: wife sent me to the grocery store, so I picked up a multimeter.
[4:27] <TAFB> ohhh, i see :)
[4:27] <TAFB> woot!
[4:27] <TAFB> you going to check TP1-TP2?
[4:27] <roasted_> to my surprise, my USB adapter to my old LG Optimus T was the winner
[4:27] <roasted_> already did
[4:27] <TAFB> number man!
[4:27] <roasted_> the iPad and Galaxy Tab charger was a bit lower
[4:27] <roasted_> Galaxy Tab was 4.78 or so, iPad was 4.85
[4:28] <roasted_> the LG charger was 4.95 steady
[4:28] <TAFB> nice!
[4:28] <TAFB> did you check F3 to D17?
[4:28] <roasted_> uh no
[4:28] <roasted_> I was not aware
[4:28] <TAFB> on the bottom of the board, by the micro USB jack\
[4:28] <TAFB> green chip and black chip
[4:28] <roasted_> using the same volt setting on the meter?
[4:28] <TAFB> check them on their sides closest to the edge of the board
[4:28] <TAFB> yep
[4:28] <TAFB> same settings (dc 20v or whatever)
[4:28] <roasted_> should I be seeing 4.95 as well?
[4:28] <TAFB> should be higher
[4:29] <TAFB> F3/D17 is input voltage.
[4:29] <roasted_> does it matter which one black goes to?
[4:29] <TAFB> nope
[4:29] <TAFB> you'll just get negative instead of positive reading
[4:29] <TAFB> green is red/positive
[4:29] <TAFB> just for reference ;)
[4:29] <TAFB> F3
[4:30] <TAFB> In the top left, you can see where the wires are soldered to, that's where you want to test: http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[4:30] <roasted_> oh, it's on THAT side of the board
[4:30] <TAFB> lol
[4:30] <roasted_> I was just coming back to say you crazy son
[4:32] <roasted_> 5.06
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[4:32] <TAFB> ohhhhh nice.
[4:32] <TAFB> did you check TP1-TP2 the entire time the Pi was booting up to look for random drops?
[4:32] <roasted_> majority of the time when I was checking TP1 and TP2 was during the boot process as I tried other power adapters
[4:33] <roasted_> I'd probably watch each one for about 7-10 seconds before going to the next
[4:33] <damo22> the only thing left hampering me from using my usb sound card with my pi is the ram on the pi and being able to compile my new driver module for it
[4:33] <roasted_> never a significant drop, just a .01 up/down fluxuation
[4:33] <TAFB> ahhh. try with your good adapter, all the way through the bootup, look to see the lowest number read.
[4:33] <roasted_> I did for quite a long time with my current adapter. If I recall 4.92 was the lowest I saw.
[4:33] <TAFB> if you get any drops below 4.8 when it fires up the ethernet/usb then we can tweak F3 a little to give is MORE POWER! :)
[4:34] <roasted_> 4.95 locked on steady once it settled
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[4:34] <roasted_> my only concern (please don't hit me for bringing this up) is the LG charger which has the 4.95 reading here is 0.7a.....
[4:34] <TAFB> lol
[4:34] <roasted_> Based on what I read, I kept thinking I needed at least 1a
[4:34] <TAFB> it's obviously more stable than the rest.
[4:34] <roasted_> the other chargers are 2a
[4:34] <TAFB> I have a 1amp USB adapter, guess what it puts out under a load test?!? 400ma :(
[4:35] <TAFB> so don't believe all the specs ;)
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[4:35] <roasted_> people just made it sound like you need to scale up based on number of USB devices
[4:35] <roasted_> no HDD, 500mA
[4:35] <damo22> TAFB: that is 1A max
[4:35] <roasted_> 1 HDD, bump it up
[4:35] <roasted_> 2 HDD, bump it up a bit moar
[4:35] <damo22> TAFB: not 1A RMS
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[4:35] <TAFB> damo: like 1 amp peak? WTF!??
[4:35] <TAFB> I'm an RMS kinda guy
[4:35] <damo22> hehe
[4:35] <damo22> RMS is a legend
[4:36] <roasted_> Is that to say what I read was useless?
[4:36] <TAFB> roasted: the F3 poly fuse limites the available current to the usb ports HUGE, even if you had a monster power adapter you'll get CRAP out of the usb ports, like 200ma total split between them ;)
[4:36] <TAFB> roasted: pretty much
[4:36] <TAFB> the 750ma one is probably RMS
[4:36] <TAFB> the 2amp ones probably peak
[4:36] <damo22> actually RMS makes no sense for DC
[4:37] <damo22> since its not an oscillating waveform
[4:37] <TAFB> but you can still have peak, like when you plug in a device, vs. say thermally regulated constant lower output?
[4:37] <damo22> but the ratings are usually more than what they load test as
[4:37] <TAFB> ahhh
[4:37] <damo22> maybe the rating means 1A until it explodes
[4:38] <damo22> :P
[4:38] <damo22> ie if you draw 1A out of it it will die
[4:38] <TAFB> when I was more into car audio, and there were those super cheap amps that were like 6,000watts, we used to call them "WLS" ... "when lightning strikes... for a split second they will put out that much before exploding"
[4:38] <piney0> constant vs peak
[4:39] <roasted_> TAFB: like Pyle
[4:39] <TAFB> yep, Pyle
[4:39] <TAFB> loved those purple amps
[4:39] <roasted_> there was another one too
[4:39] <damo22> HAHA WLS
[4:39] <TAFB> I always bought Rodek and PPI :)
[4:39] <roasted_> didn't it start with an L...
[4:39] <roasted_> Legend?
[4:39] <roasted_> is that right?
[4:39] <TAFB> legacy?
[4:39] <roasted_> yeah!
[4:39] <TAFB> lol
[4:39] <TAFB> rofl
[4:39] <damo22> i am into diy audio
[4:39] <roasted_> it's been ~10 years since I been in car audio
[4:40] <TAFB> my first car: http://ecuflashking.com/pics/Jamie88IROCzPPiPC1400andJL12W6_L.jpg
[4:40] <damo22> i built my own hi fidelity speakers for home use
[4:40] <TAFB> nice
[4:40] <roasted_> last I was into car audio, I ran 600 RMS from a JBL amp into a single 15" Resonant Engineering SE
[4:40] <roasted_> self built 2.2 CF box
[4:40] <roasted_> sealed
[4:40] <damo22> also built a general purpose amplifier/boom box
[4:40] <TAFB> nice. I like sealed.
[4:40] <roasted_> Knocked my rear view off a few times.
[4:40] <damo22> check this out:
[4:40] <roasted_> anyway, before my head explodes, TAFB - so should I stop thinking about it and be happy with the LG adapter I'm using?
[4:41] <damo22> http://www.zamaudio.com/?p=470
[4:41] <TAFB> i just put a pair of cheap 12's on a JL 1000watt (rms) amp in my car, rear view mirror is useless now :)
[4:41] <roasted_> any reason to be concerned even with all USB ports in use?
[4:41] <roasted_> etc etc?
[4:41] <TAFB> roasted: yep
[4:41] <TAFB> only if using high drain devices roasted
[4:41] <TAFB> self powere hard drives
[4:41] <TAFB> some wifi adapters
[4:41] <TAFB> etc.
[4:41] <roasted_> self powered hard drives are included as high drain devices?
[4:41] <damo22> TAFB: check the link ^^
[4:42] <TAFB> dan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wUoEnlcvxI&hd=1
[4:42] <TAFB> i clicked link...
[4:42] <roasted_> are we talking self powered as in, hdds with their own ac power supply?
[4:42] <TAFB> sorry
[4:43] <TAFB> I meant bus powered
[4:43] <TAFB> not self powered
[4:43] <TAFB> whops
[4:43] <roasted_> or self powered as in isuckyourpowerfromUSBport
[4:43] <TAFB> self powered are fine
[4:43] <roasted_> ah
[4:43] <roasted_> k
[4:43] <TAFB> bus powered = bad
[4:43] <roasted_> bus powered as in, my little 2.5" passport
[4:43] <TAFB> yep
[4:43] <TAFB> power hogs they are
[4:43] <roasted_> and picky
[4:44] <roasted_> it won't power off of the USB ports on the front of my tower
[4:44] <roasted_> back? no problem
[4:44] <TAFB> cause of the thin wires
[4:44] <TAFB> that hook up the front ports
[4:44] <TAFB> ;)
[4:44] <TAFB> if you wanna run it off your pi, gotta solder in these wires: http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[4:44] <TAFB> you can also "back power" your pie, but then you'll only have one usb port ;)
[4:44] <ParkerR_> My external 2.5" draws enough on insert to crash my Pi, but it boots back up with it plugged in and it works
[4:45] <roasted_> nah, 3TB drives are cheaper in 3.5 form than 2.5 form
[4:45] <roasted_> which is my goal
[4:45] <ParkerR_> Probably not the best for the Pi
[4:45] <TAFB> the Pi sucks for hotplugging
[4:45] <roasted_> so I'll stick to the regular sized hdd, which frees up the passport for mobility anyway
[4:45] <TAFB> they used too small of a cap, C5
[4:45] <ParkerR_> Hmm I should measure TP1 and TP2 witht he drive plugged in
[4:45] <TAFB> usb 2.0 spec calls for over 200uf, they used 47!
[4:45] <ParkerR_> *with
[4:45] <pksato> aptitude dist-upgrade try to install new packages. Its not a usual.
[4:46] <TAFB> pksato, how back in the logs you readin? lol
[4:46] <damo22> TAFB: i plan on powering my pi + peripherals like this with 1 psu: http://imagebin.org/239004
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[4:47] <xsacha> hi
[4:47] <TAFB> dam: that could work, but most hubs only put out 500ma per port, barely enough to run the Pi :(
[4:47] <xsacha> is it possible to get GL_DEPTH24_STENCIL8 working on this device?
[4:47] <damo22> TAFB: hmm but i can get a nice hub
[4:47] <xsacha> it doesnt support packed stencil?
[4:47] <TAFB> dam: that is true, and you could always open it up and solder in some jumper wires right from the input jack = great power
[4:47] <xsacha> well the hardware does anyway right?
[4:48] <damo22> XD
[4:49] <TAFB> c'mon quake3... i know my Pi ain't overclocked... but how much is there to compile?!? shesh.
[4:49] <xsacha> i have another device with the same gpu (videocore IV) and it has the same problem.. no GL_DEPTH24_STENCIL8 implementation
[4:49] <TAFB> are you making a video game sxacha?
[4:49] <xsacha> an emulator
[4:49] <ParkerR_> TAFB, It'll take a little bit
[4:50] <damo22> the pi is very restricted, but i only want it for its cpu
[4:50] <damo22> and usb
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[4:50] <xsacha> damo22: but the gpu is the most powerful part!
[4:50] <damo22> yeah i know
[4:50] <damo22> but what other arm board do you know of that is this small?
[4:50] <xsacha> damo22: grab an old Nokia N8 if you only want its cpu and usb.. same cpu, supports usb OTG, even has a touchscreen and a 12MP camera to boot
[4:51] <damo22> hmm
[4:51] <xsacha> has a videocore 3 instead of videocore 4
[4:51] <xsacha> but get a nokia 700 if you want the newer videocore
[4:51] <damo22> nah
[4:51] <damo22> can i run gnulinux on n8?
[4:51] <xsacha> no :P
[4:52] <damo22> then i dont want it
[4:52] <damo22> this is the closest i can get so far
[4:52] <damo22> =pi
[4:53] <damo22> even though i am running it in a gpu hypervisor
[4:53] <damo22> lol
[4:53] <xsacha> i have ancient wince devices that can run gnulinux, have a similar CPU and support USB OTG/Host
[4:53] <xsacha> those things are like giveaway now
[4:53] <damo22> really
[4:53] <damo22> link?
[4:53] <xsacha> you need to use haret.exe to boot in to linux though
[4:54] <damo22> pfft
[4:54] <TAFB> xsacha: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/20
[4:54] <xsacha> i dont have any links to a giveaway, you'd need to look in your local area.. but they are probably cheap on ebay
[4:54] <damo22> but what are they called?
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[4:54] <xsacha> damo22: some of them can be flashhed with linux instead
[4:54] <xsacha> damo22: just look for any windows mobile device
[4:55] <xsacha> check if it supports usb otg
[4:55] <damo22> cool
[4:56] <xsacha> TAFB: i read that before.. so no way to get it working?
[4:56] <xsacha> damo22: of course android devices with unlocked bootloaders can run gnulinux too but that would be considerably more expensive than an RPi
[4:57] <damo22> right, which is why i am happy with the pi so far
[4:57] <damo22> even if i dont use gpu
[4:57] <nahmaste> i have a bin that compiles with oss but not alsa support... will sound not work over hdmi with oss on the pi?
[4:57] <damo22> i want to convert it into a mobile audio recording device
[4:58] <damo22> like a digital sound recorder with some decent preamps and mics attached
[4:58] <roasted_> TAFB: were you in here when I was bitching about how slow the HDD was on my Pi earlier
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[4:59] <damo22> i suspect usb i/o would be faster than sd i/o
[4:59] <roasted_> I found out what my issue was in that case
[4:59] <roasted_> I was getting like 500 KB/s transfer speed, rsyncing from one drive to another
[4:59] <roasted_> didn't matter if it was from 1 pi to another, or from one drive to another on the same pi
[4:59] <roasted_> turns out the pi gets too stressed when you rsync with compression
[5:00] <roasted_> aka, rsync -az
[5:00] <roasted_> I dropped the z (compression) with rsync -a. ran 5x faster.
[5:00] <damo22> i use rsync -avr
[5:00] <roasted_> v is verbose, no?
[5:00] <damo22> oh yeah, drop the v if you dont want to see the files
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[5:00] <roasted_> and r?
[5:00] <roasted_> isn't r included in a?
[5:00] <roasted_> or is that R?
[5:00] <damo22> recurses directories
[5:01] <roasted_> -a, --archive This is equivalent to -rlptgoD.
[5:01] <roasted_> looks like using r is useless in your case :P
[5:01] <roasted_> a is already handling that job
[5:01] <damo22> oh maybe it used to be necessary
[5:02] <roasted_> the D is the capital one. I thought it was R.
[5:02] <roasted_> I knew there was one capital in there somewhere
[5:02] <damo22> its safer to use the r on systems such as non-linux
[5:02] <roasted_> anyway, moral of the story, don't use compression with the pi
[5:02] <roasted_> you'll get shit results
[5:03] <TAFB> watch the language roasted ;)
[5:03] <damo22> Updating firmware (this will take a few minutes) its been like 20
[5:03] <roasted_> well now this feels just like #ubuntu <_<
[5:03] <roasted_> "sit and play patty cake now, kids. criss cross applesauce."
[5:04] <TAFB> lots of kids come in here that have just got a Pi, for help, etc. so we gotta keep it clean ;)
[5:04] <roasted_> darn kids and the internet
[5:04] <roasted_> shouldn't they be on facebook?
[5:04] <TAFB> use ish instead ;)
[5:04] <TAFB> lol
[5:04] <damo22> fb is for the CIA
[5:04] <damo22> not for kids
[5:04] <roasted_> and burglars
[5:04] <roasted_> scoping for targets
[5:04] <damo22> lol
[5:05] <roasted_> also, can I just say how happy I am that I have 247 recording at my house... on the news this morning... two guys got busted following around a UPS truck and stealing the deliveries.
[5:05] <roasted_> 247 H264 feeds... right through the Pi
[5:05] <roasted_> love it
[5:05] <TAFB> nice
[5:05] <roasted_> front and back door, covered.
[5:05] <damo22> ip cameras ftw
[5:05] <roasted_> I love my cams. They were a bit pricey tho
[5:05] <roasted_> 300 bones each
[5:06] <damo22> i paid 119
[5:06] <roasted_> 1280x800, IR, POE, IP66 outdoor rated
[5:06] <damo22> does yours zoom?
[5:06] <roasted_> supports 3 streams across 4 preset profiles (MJPG, MPEG4, H264)
[5:06] <roasted_> no
[5:06] <roasted_> I specifically wanted bullet cameras
[5:06] <roasted_> without any PTZ functionality
[5:06] <TAFB> yikes! Most I've ever paid it $200, 1920x1080 at 15fps or 1280x720 @ 30, 2-12mm lens, 1/2" CMOS, I.R., weatherproof, H264 of course, etc.
[5:07] <damo22> mine sends me ftp images
[5:07] <roasted_> we get some crazy weather here. We've had heat waves and ice storms. I wanted something that was well rated for the range of elements we encounter.
[5:07] <TAFB> don't they all do that? lol
[5:07] <damo22> and emails me when it detects motion
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[5:07] <roasted_> damo22: I thought about doing something like that. Perhaps I should look into it.
[5:07] <damo22> you can get it all preset up
[5:07] <damo22> pre-set
[5:07] <roasted_> damo22: right now I just have the Linux software known as MOtion running at 1 fps of mjpg stream. When it detects motion it snaps a picture.
[5:07] <damo22> for 119
[5:08] <damo22> supports wifi, ethernet
[5:08] <TAFB> these are the cameras I've been using lately: http://szhuishi.en.alibaba.com/product/594303491-209574591/2MP_IP_camera_HISILION_Hi_3512_chipset_1_2_CMOS_ir_waterproof_ip_camera.html?edm_src=sys&edm_type=fdbk&edm_grp=0&edm_cta=read_msg&edm_time=realtime&edm_ver=e
[5:08] <roasted_> Then Motion dumps the jpg's into a snapshots folder, so if need be I check them out to see what motion events happened.
[5:08] <TAFB> absolute monsters :)
[5:08] <roasted_> then I can check the actual video feeds for a much nicer view
[5:08] <TAFB> the thing I like most is WDR. I don't think I'll ever buy a camera without WDR again
[5:08] <damo22> and has ftp client and ddns and mailing on board, plus http server
[5:08] <damo22> PTZ
[5:09] <roasted_> damo22: nice. In my case I wouldn't really use PTZ. The front and back of my house are covered by a roof/porch area. The field of view of where I mounted it, it can see 100%. Any sort of moving around would just allow me to se walls.
[5:09] <damo22> :)
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[5:10] <damo22> its good for some things, like an outdoor one for monitoring a greenhouse
[5:10] <TAFB> the camera I linked has a 106 degree hFoV at 2.8mm :) great for wide angle
[5:10] <damo22> then you only need 1
[5:10] <roasted_> damo22: oh yeah.
[5:10] <roasted_> damo22: PTZ enables you to decrease the number of cams you need quite a bit.
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[5:10] <damo22> yup
[5:10] <roasted_> damo22: I had no choice but to get 2 cams in my case, since I wanted the front AND back door covered.
[5:11] <TAFB> but you can't pan around after the recording to see an area, that's why I like more cameras, instead of ptz.
[5:11] <damo22> k
[5:11] <roasted_> Depends on the situation.
[5:11] <roasted_> Pan is nice for continual recordings.
[5:11] <roasted_> Pan is LOL for motion detected based situations.
[5:11] <roasted_> since moving around would warrant motion capture to begin with
[5:11] <damo22> hahaha
[5:12] <TAFB> I usually set them on a pan/tilt/zoom track, but the theives just watched the camera and avoided it, customer was like "why didn't it zoom in on them"... because it was panning around, it didn't see them! lol
[5:12] <TAFB> i never used them after that.
[5:12] <damo22> like a spotlight in a jail at night
[5:12] <TAFB> yep :) lol
[5:13] <damo22> if they managed to avoid it without seeing the light, maybe they had prior experience?
[5:13] <roasted_> sounds like it
[5:13] <roasted_> or else a really good eye
[5:13] <damo22> i mean they might belong in jail
[5:13] <damo22> lol
[5:14] <TAFB> from the image on the front of the house, the had a device like binoculars, I believe it enabled them to see the I.R. output from the camera, so they could see the "spotlight"
[5:15] <roasted_> ya know, I wonder if I can use the cameras to take snapshots instead of motion
[5:15] <TAFB> the front door camera captured a tiny pit of them as they walked from the road, down the side of the property
[5:15] <roasted_> that way it would free up the Pi from having that daemon running with 50% CPU
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[5:16] <TAFB> roasted: Most IP cameras have a special URL that'll feed jpg's :)
[5:17] <piney0> TAFB, are you an audio/video tech?
[5:17] <TAFB> nope, but I install internet streaming cameras/servers for peeps.
[5:17] <TAFB> I just did this one recently (flash): http://www.ourston.com/resources/webcams/halifax.html
[5:17] <piney0> <-- alarm guy
[5:18] <TAFB> nice :)
[5:18] <TAFB> you do much with video, or just alarm like door and window break?
[5:18] <damo22> <-- student
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[5:18] <roasted_> aw, that's lame. I don't think I can save my video feeds vs jpg's to a different location.
[5:18] <roasted_> I would want to save the jpgs in a snapshot folder, and the videos in a video_feeds folder
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[5:19] <roasted_> but once I create 1 network storage location on my cams interface, the option grays out to create more.
[5:19] <Jibual> Does anyone have any experience with using a ACR38 smartcard reader work on the raspberry pi?
[5:19] <TAFB> roasted: have something pull the image and save it on the Pi, I do it with PHP
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[5:19] <Jibual> i installed everything right
[5:19] <Jibual> but when i run pcsc_scan
[5:19] <roasted_> TAFB: well I have Motion running now, which does the job fine. I was just curious what alternatives were there.
[5:19] <Jibual> all i get is this forever
[5:19] <Jibual> Scanning present readers...
[5:19] <Jibual> Waiting for the first reader...
[5:19] <damo22> Jibual: is there a driver for it?
[5:20] <Jibual> ya i install the driver
[5:20] <Jibual> it shows up in lsmod
[5:20] <Jibual> and lsusb
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[5:20] <roasted_> TAFB: I'd love to have an option to just save a date/time stamp in a text file for me. I don't want to do emails because I'm sure with leaves blowing around I'd get constant emails.
[5:20] <roasted_> ALERT! A LEAF MOVED.
[5:20] <roasted_> ALERT! ANOTHER LEAF MOEVD.
[5:20] <damo22> Jibual: check the comms cables
[5:21] <Jibual> I installed pcscd libacr38u pcsc-tools
[5:21] <Jibual> the cable seems fine
[5:21] <Jibual> and its lighting up
[5:21] <TAFB> roasted: you might want to learn Ruby, runs great on the pi and is very flexible. I'm sure you could program it to grab jpg captures at certian intervals, or even motion compare them and only save the ones with motion, etc.
[5:21] <Jibual> i reseated the cabling already
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[5:22] <roasted_> TAFB: well Motion kind of fits that bill already. I can customize the amount of pixels that need to move in order to trigger motion detection which begins saving JPG snapshots. It's the onboard camera motion detection that I'm having frustrations with.
[5:22] <damo22> Jibual: make sure lsusb shows the correct vendor +model that is supported by the driver
[5:22] <roasted_> Whcih is fine, I can just use Motion. No problems there.
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[5:23] <Jibual> how do i do that?
[5:23] <roasted_> Motion is running through the cams MJPG stream @ 1 fps. IT's set to take the "center" jpg of a motion event, which lasts for up to 10 seconds. Meaning if you run by my cameras and are on screen for 10 seconds, only the center jpg is taken and saved. That way I can get a rough idea of what happened without having a thousand JPGs
[5:23] <damo22> Jibual: lsusb then lsmod -k
[5:23] <roasted_> The idea of Motion is to utilize it as a quick identifier. Anything that needs further review from the JPGs and into the video_feeds folder I go
[5:24] <TAFB> jibual: have you check your TP1-TP2 voltage? If it's low, the USB device might not be able to be communicated with properly.
[5:24] <damo22> Jibual: you need xxxx:xxxx
[5:24] <roasted_> well it's bedtime. you guys take care.
[5:24] <TAFB> nite nite sleep good
[5:24] <roasted_> appreciate your patience TAFB
[5:24] <Jibual> TAFB: how do i check that?
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[5:25] <Jibual> i cant do lsmod -l
[5:25] <Jibual> lsmod -l
[5:25] <Jibual> -k sorry
[5:25] <Jibual> can only do lsmod
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[5:25] <damo22> how come
[5:26] <damo22> jail shell?
[5:26] <TAFB> jibual: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[5:26] <TAFB> jibual: http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
[5:27] <Jibual> ty
[5:27] <damo22> Jibual: find the name of the module you think is responsible
[5:27] <damo22> then type modinfo <module>
[5:28] <Jibual> there are a few
[5:28] <damo22> you should see something like "alias: usb:vXXXXpYYYY...........
[5:28] <damo22> you need to check if your usb device matches one of those aliases
[5:28] <ParkerR_> TAFB, That test points image has to be your most posted image :P
[5:29] <TAFB> it's not mine ;)
[5:29] <TAFB> but yes, I post it a lot
[5:29] <Jibual> Module Size Used by
[5:29] <Jibual> aes_generic 31457 3
[5:29] <Jibual> arc4 1187 2
[5:29] <Jibual> rt2800usb 13009 0
[5:29] <Jibual> rt2800lib 47242 1 rt2800usb
[5:29] <Jibual> rt2x00usb 11075 1 rt2800usb
[5:29] <Jibual> rt2x00lib 41057 3 rt2x00usb,rt2800lib,rt2800usb
[5:29] <Jibual> mac80211 236178 3 rt2x00lib,rt2x00usb,rt2800lib
[5:29] <Jibual> cfg80211 171957 2 mac80211,rt2x00lib
[5:29] <Jibual> crc_ccitt 1465 1 rt2800lib
[5:29] <Jibual> root@raspberrypi:~# modinfo arc4
[5:29] <ParkerR_> ...
[5:29] <Jibual> sorry guys
[5:29] <damo22> Jibual: i didnt ask you to paste it all in
[5:29] <TAFB> lol
[5:29] <ParkerR_> Pastebin
[5:29] <Jibual> i know i messed up
[5:29] <Jibual> sorry
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[5:30] <damo22> Jibual: lsusb -t
[5:30] <damo22> will tell you which driver is in use
[5:30] <TAFB> omg quake is done compiling!!! just gotta download and unzip the demo .pak's and I'm ready to frag (hopefully)
[5:32] <Jibual> umm nvm
[5:32] <Jibual> unplugged the device and rebooted
[5:32] <Jibual> lsmod has the same output
[5:32] <Jibual> so no driver must be loaded for it
[5:32] <pksato> Jibual: you use smartcard reader on other Linux (x86)
[5:32] <pksato> ?
[5:33] <Jibual> not on linux no
[5:33] <damo22> Jibual: can you tell me the output of lsusb |grep "name of device"
[5:33] <Jibual> k
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[5:34] <Jibual> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[5:34] <damo22> that is not it
[5:34] <Jibual> oops
[5:34] <Jibual> sorry
[5:34] <Jibual> let me plug it in
[5:34] <damo22> :)
[5:34] <Jibual> :)
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[5:35] <Jibual> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 072f:90cc Advanced Card Systems, Ltd ACR38 SmartCard Reader
[5:35] <Jibual> there we go
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[5:36] <damo22> jibual: http://acsccid.sourceforge.net/
[5:37] <damo22> Jibual: sudo apt-get install acsccid
[5:38] <Jibual> k
[5:38] <damo22> or maybe it is libacsccid
[5:38] <Jibual> E: Unable to locate package acsccid
[5:38] <Jibual> hrmm
[5:39] <Jibual> same for libacsccid
[5:39] <damo22> Jibual: grab the tar.bz2 from sourceforge and compile it
[5:39] <Jibual> gotcha
[5:39] <Jibual> and thanks again dude.
[5:39] <Jibual> this is how I look like right now
[5:39] <Jibual> :D
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[5:40] <damo22> oh crap
[5:40] <damo22> i think its not supported
[5:40] <damo22> 072F 90CC ACR38U-CCID ACS ACR38U-CCID yes it is
[5:41] <damo22> both ACR100-CCID and ACR38U-CCID are supported and have the same usb numbers as yours
[5:43] <damo22> oh hes gone
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[5:43] <damo22> what do i do if my firmware has been updating for ages?
[5:44] <TAFB> QUAKE3 WORKS! Runs awesome! Part of the screen is cut off, so I gotta play with the overscan option a bit
[5:44] <ParkerR_> TAFB, :D
[5:44] <damo22> TAFB: nice
[5:44] <ParkerR_> So its just the config on the other Pi
[5:44] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Mouse working?
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[5:46] <pksato> I try kobo deluxe game on RPi...
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[5:47] <TAFB> parker: I'll swap the SD card to the other Pi and see if it runs.
[5:47] <TAFB> I didn't have a mouse hooked up, was playing with the keyboard
[5:47] <TAFB> I'm finding a mouse now
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[5:48] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Ok sweet. Oh btw you know you can type the first few letters of a nick and press tab, right? :P
[5:49] <ParkerR_> I never get highlighted because you usually just type out my name :P
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[6:03] <spaceace85> Hello chaps
[6:04] <spaceace85> Quick question - does the raspberrypi output audio over HDMI?
[6:04] <CelticTurnip> yep
[6:05] <spaceace85> does that work out of the box?
[6:05] <ParkerR_> Yes
[6:05] <TAFB> space: worked for me just in quake3 :)
[6:05] <TAFB> vid is uploadin
[6:05] <spaceace85> sweet :D
[6:05] <pksato> kobo deluxe run smooth, but dont show menu items.
[6:06] <pksato> spaceace85: need do configure hdmi_drive=2 on config.txt to get audio over hdmi.
[6:06] <ParkerR_> You dont have to
[6:07] <TAFB> i didn't have to ;)
[6:07] <ParkerR_> If the monitor reports supporting audio it should just work
[6:07] <ParkerR_> And I thought drive was just the hdmi video output?
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[6:22] <ParkerR_> pksato, I also see no menu items
[6:22] <pksato> run with -noalpha
[6:23] <dipstick> I have a question, if reg2 is basicly shorted, would it be safe for me to apply 3.3 and 5v to the gpio header?
[6:24] <TAFB> you would have to desolder it to prevent the short from messing it up
[6:25] <dipstick> just desolder one lead or the whole thing?
[6:25] <pksato> shorted?
[6:25] <TAFB> pksato: he blew up his Pi
[6:25] <TAFB> just one lead is fine, as long as the top of R2 isn't a ground or something.
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[6:27] <dipstick> well between the top and it's two connected leads, I get a resistance of 1.136K ohms
[6:27] <ParkerR_> pksato, kobodl -depth 16 runs and plays with no menu. kobodl -depth 16 -noalpha does no video output
[6:28] <dipstick> and between the top and ground results in the same...
[6:28] <pksato> only -noalpha show me menus.
[6:28] <TAFB> dipstick, yep, a ground, like i thought.
[6:28] <TAFB> both pins gotta come off
[6:28] <ParkerR_> pksato, Ahh thank you
[6:28] <ParkerR_> I ran with depth 16 because just kobodl would only be black
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[6:34] <ParkerR_> pksato, Huh weird. Apparently kobodl -noalpha is a hit or miss for me. Sometimes it will show and other it will just be a black screen
[6:34] <ParkerR_> *others
[6:35] <dipstick> what is reg1 used for?
[6:35] <pksato> I play some levels, with some screen hangs.
[6:35] <pksato> reg1 is 1.8V reg2 3.3
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[6:36] <pksato> both is used on modern digital logic.
[6:37] <dipstick> man I so hope the rest of the board is ok.
[6:37] <SpeedEvil> dipstick: why is the reg shorter?
[6:37] <dipstick> I get the 3.3 and I've only seen 1.8 and lower being used on ram and cpus nowadays.
[6:39] <dipstick> SpeedEvil, well, it's like this, I must have connected the power backwards on the two usb ports. I was trying to back feed power into it as the psu didn't have a micro usb connector on it.
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[6:39] <SpeedEvil> on the output ports?
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> or the input?
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> the power in
[6:40] <dipstick> yeah, you can feed power into the usb ports next to the ethernet.
[6:40] <dipstick> also why you can power it with a usb hub.
[6:40] <pksato> it bypass F3 polyfuse
[6:40] <dipstick> asuming the hub is setup to allow such a thing.
[6:41] <dipstick> they should have had reverse polarity protection on those ports.
[6:42] <TAFB> rp protection on USB? lol
[6:43] <dipstick> well for careless modders. :P
[6:44] <TAFB> for some reason my computer is not encoding 1080p video very fast :(
[6:44] <dipstick> to protect their product from misuse and perhaps even a 5v zener diode for overvoltage protection too.
[6:44] <TAFB> it's going to take 1 hr to encode 12 mins of 1080p video... must look into my encode settings, maybe I've got it on 2 pass VBR or somethin...
[6:44] <dipstick> and on the gpio ports as well.
[6:44] <pksato> D17
[6:45] <dipstick> d17 is only good for the micro usb power input, correct?
[6:45] <pksato> and RPi cost a $70. :)
[6:45] <dipstick> it can't cost that much to add some protection >.>
[6:46] <dipstick> um, how many watts am I gonna need to melt the solder?
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[6:47] <ParkerR_> TAFB, HAH
[6:48] <TAFB> ?
[6:48] * ParkerR_ cries on the corner with his COre 2 Duo 2.13ghz
[6:48] <TAFB> my encoding?
[6:48] <TAFB> yeah, prolly would been faster to dump the video right from my camera to youtube :(
[6:48] <ParkerR_> You talking about 1 hour to do 12min of 1080p
[6:48] <ParkerR_> Mine would be like 3 hours
[6:48] <ParkerR_> Consider yourself lucky
[6:48] <TAFB> haha
[6:48] <TAFB> it usually does it in real time! 12 mins of video = 12 mins of encoding :(
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[6:49] <TAFB> i got my butt whooped in quake 3, it was pretty funny. I had the lead for a while when she murdered me. I did get a rocket off that killed her, after she killed me! woot :)
[6:50] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Online?
[6:50] <TAFB> still processin, soon :)
[6:50] <ParkerR_> Nooo
[6:50] <ParkerR_> I mean were you doing multiplayer quake 3
[6:50] <TAFB> no, against major, demo, level 1
[6:50] <ParkerR_> Ahh
[6:50] <ParkerR_> Heh
[6:51] <TAFB> she can see around corners, or hear my footsteps, it's not fair
[6:51] <TAFB> in the video i run around the corner and there's already a long range rocket waiting for me :(
[6:52] <dipstick> oops, I moved the cap :x
[6:53] <TAFB> lol, it needs a better one anyway
[6:53] <TAFB> it works without it
[6:53] <TAFB> just can't hotplug nothin
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[6:53] <dipstick> lol yeah
[6:53] <TAFB> buy a 270uf tarantulan one or whatever to replace it, then you can hot plug even monster external hard drives without rebootin
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[6:55] <SpeedEvil> tantalum
[6:55] <TAFB> that's it
[6:55] <SpeedEvil> they don't make them from spiders
[6:55] <TAFB> google woulda fix it
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[6:56] <TAFB> sorry, was helping my friend with his tarantula amp today :)
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[6:58] <dipstick> hmm, is it gonna need 5v to even power up? I got the pins on reg2 disconnected.
[6:59] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Just setup a USB controller with Quake 3 on the Pi. This makes me realize why the was a PC game. Sucks with a controller
[6:59] <TAFB> lol
[6:59] <TAFB> I use the keyboard arrows for step left/step right, forward and back. and the mouse for free look. only way to play ;)
[7:00] <ParkerR_> wasd
[7:00] <TAFB> pffft
[7:00] <ParkerR_> for movement
[7:00] <TAFB> a and d are step left/step right?
[7:00] <ParkerR_> Left hand on arrow and right on mouse is just very weird
[7:00] <TAFB> or just look left/look right
[7:00] <ParkerR_> WASD for movement. Mouse to look
[7:00] <TAFB> but a and d come default for look left/look right, you changed em?
[7:01] <dipstick> bah, why couldn't they put 3.3v next to a ground that's also next to a 5v pin? >.>
[7:01] <ParkerR_> I change it
[7:01] <TAFB> nice
[7:01] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Why would I need a and d to be look left and right when I have a ouse? :P
[7:01] <TAFB> dip: cause they dun expect people to blow ish up and have to make their own regulators
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[7:01] <TAFB> perker: that is always the question
[7:01] <ParkerR_> *mouse
[7:02] <TAFB> figured out why it's taking so long, someone clicked the "maximum render quality" button :(
[7:02] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[7:02] <dipstick> well, to make applying power a bit easier with just one 3 pin header.
[7:03] <dipstick> ok, reg disconnected, I hope it powers up.
[7:03] <TAFB> dip: are you going to back feed 3.3 and 5 through GPIO or feed it in where the regulator is/was?
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[7:03] <dipstick> through the gpio
[7:03] <TAFB> okies
[7:03] <dipstick> should work yes?
[7:04] <TAFB> the 3.3v gpio might be super current limited, but should be enuff for the cpu
[7:04] <dipstick> well, in any case, theres a atx psu connected to it XD
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[7:04] <TAFB> MOAR POWA!
[7:04] <SpeedEvil> isn't 3.3 for the nic too?
[7:05] <TAFB> 5v for nic and usb iirc.
[7:06] <dipstick> uh oh, the psu detected a short
[7:06] <TAFB> yikes :(
[7:06] <TAFB> best try feeding power in where the regulator was
[7:06] <TAFB> want me to check the voltages on the pins?
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[7:07] <dipstick> there's like an almost direct short on the 5v to gnd and 3.3v to gnd.
[7:08] <TAFB> even with R2 gone? wow.
[7:08] <dipstick> yeah
[7:08] <TAFB> what's the ohms say, 5v gpio pin to micro USB metal shield.
[7:08] <dipstick> .6ohms
[7:09] <TAFB> wow
[7:09] <TAFB> not good
[7:09] <dipstick> 0.6
[7:09] <TAFB> that ish is cooked
[7:09] <dipstick> :(
[7:10] <dipstick> and by me desoldering reg2, my warrenty is gone. :(
[7:10] <TAFB> unless you can put it back, super pretty like
[7:10] <dipstick> the plastic chipped
[7:10] <TAFB> oh dang
[7:11] <TAFB> good thing these are fairly cheap! Good luck getting one before xmas tho
[7:11] <dipstick> 45 bucks I paid. gone. :(
[7:12] <dipstick> it'd be fine if a had a few hundred to play with every month.
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[7:13] <TAFB> think of the knowledge you've gained, that's worth $45 right there.
[7:13] <dipstick> what else could be shorted?
[7:13] <TAFB> the cpu
[7:13] <TAFB> the memory
[7:13] <TAFB> list goes on
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[7:14] <dipstick> but the magic smoke didn't get out. :(
[7:14] <piney0> dipstick, how did this happen?
[7:14] <TAFB> sometimes the magic stays in
[7:14] <TAFB> he fed like 30 amps backwards through the USB, reversed polarity
[7:14] <TAFB> his R2 regulator went up in smoke
[7:15] <dipstick> more like 2A but yeah. pretty much
[7:15] <TAFB> I thought u were using 5v from psu?
[7:15] <TAFB> that ish like 30 amps bro :)
[7:16] <dipstick> I have a small laptop psu style psu that puts out 5v and 12v.
[7:16] <TAFB> ahhh
[7:16] <TAFB> okies
[7:16] <TAFB> lol
[7:16] <dipstick> I used the 5v lead.
[7:16] <TAFB> thought u were usin like 800 watt gamer ATX PSU
[7:16] <dipstick> 2A each
[7:16] <SpeedEvil> dipstick: it is not unlikely you've fried the SoC, it is directly connected at one point to +5v
[7:16] * dipstick facepalm
[7:17] <dipstick> go figure. well, I blame it on the devs. they forgot the protection circuit. >.<
[7:17] <SpeedEvil> possible not.
[7:17] <TAFB> speed: He has almost dead short from +5v to ground, 0.6 ohms :(
[7:18] <dipstick> yup, my meter sounds it's beeper when it finds a near or complete short.
[7:18] <dipstick> when on ohms.
[7:19] <SpeedEvil> probably just under 200 ohms
[7:19] <dipstick> O.o
[7:20] <dipstick> I disconnect the pi to measure the psu between 5v and gnd. 15.5 ohms.
[7:20] <dipstick> wat
[7:21] <TAFB> sounds about right dip, for a power power supply.
[7:21] <TAFB> powerful power supply
[7:21] <dipstick> it's only 350W >.<
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[7:23] <piney0> @5v thats what, 70 amps?
[7:23] <dipstick> disconnected, the pi reads 3.3ohms between 5v and gnd. Can't seem to get a good reading on 3.3 to gnd. have it set on 2000K, I find 500k and falling.
[7:24] <TAFB> which gpio pins are you using for 5v?
[7:24] <dipstick> my little psu gives me 30A at 5v. 28A at 3.3v
[7:24] <TAFB> 30amps, the one you were using?!
[7:24] <dipstick> the 2nd one from the top right.
[7:24] <TAFB> so inside row, 2nd from outside pin?
[7:25] <dipstick> as a test power up yes. for regular use, I was gonna use a small 1A one.
[7:25] <dipstick> outside row.
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[7:25] <dipstick> ok, col2, row2 :P
[7:25] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-Layout-Revision-2-e1347664831557.png
[7:25] <TAFB> so poin 4?
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[7:26] <dipstick> used the page from elinux.org wiki
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[7:26] <TAFB> that's for original version Pi's
[7:26] <TAFB> is that what you got?
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[7:27] <dipstick> I have the latest version.
[7:27] <TAFB> lol, use that pin map I linked then.
[7:27] <dipstick> the power pins are in the same place.
[7:27] <TAFB> so looking at the map I linked, you can see P1 is marked on the board.
[7:27] <TAFB> which pin # you usin
[7:27] <dipstick> the i/o pins are different.
[7:27] <dipstick> 4
[7:27] <TAFB> okes, I'll check ohms. so you were #4 to micro USB shield?
[7:27] <dipstick> and pin 1 for 3.3v
[7:28] <dipstick> 4 to 6
[7:28] <TAFB> okies.
[7:28] <TAFB> one sec.
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[7:29] <jmadero> anyone have any ideas why the hulu plugin for XBMC works for like 50% of the shows on the Pi but the other 50% fail?
[7:29] <dipstick> it would appear my 3.3v is good but 5v is shorted. still.
[7:30] <ParkerR_> jmadero, Bluerise?
[7:30] <jmadero> what is Bluerise?
[7:30] <ParkerR_> A guy who wrote a hulu plugin for XBMC
[7:30] <ParkerR_> Was wondering if that was the one you were using
[7:30] <jmadero> oh, let me check:)
[7:31] <jmadero> Bluecop
[7:31] <ParkerR_> Ahhh
[7:31] <ParkerR_> Yeah
[7:31] <ParkerR_> Derp
[7:31] <TAFB> dip: pin 1 to pin 6 (3.3V) is 1.3K ohms, and pin 4 to 6 is "out of range" or over 1million ohms.
[7:31] <jmadero> so for instance watching New Girl right now in HD, perfectly fine
[7:31] <jmadero> Chopped and 30 Minute Meals both fail
[7:31] <ParkerR_> Yeah when I used it a while ago it seemed to only want to play some shpws
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[7:31] <ParkerR_> jmadero, Honestly you are lucky it's play half
[7:31] <jmadero> I'd pay to get it fixed, honestly last thing that the Pi needs
[7:31] <ParkerR_> *playing
[7:32] <ParkerR_> Hulu tends to break the plugin often
[7:32] <dipstick> TAFB, hmm, so I'm getting higher ohms on 3.3 to gnd and near short for 5v to gnd. bah
[7:33] <jmadero> sweet, and then these assholes wonder why people pirate shit
[7:33] <jmadero> god dammit
[7:33] <jmadero> sorry for the language
[7:33] <TAFB> jmadero: kids around, watch the language plz.
[7:33] <jmadero> TAFB: yeah, my mistake
[7:33] <jmadero> my bad
[7:33] <TAFB> np
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[7:34] <dipstick> funny how we still need to filter ourselves even though its heard everywhere, online, in the movies, tv, irl. etc
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[7:35] <TAFB> dip: check this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/IOMeter-2008.08.18,2708.html
[7:35] <TAFB> after I got Pancake installed, I ran a web page performance test.
[7:35] <TAFB> it was serving 3 pages per second, which I thought was good.
[7:36] <TAFB> but it was only using like 4% cpu, but 100% disk activity! lol
[7:36] <jmadero> dipstick: it's a policy that I should respect none the less
[7:36] <dipstick> lol
[7:36] <TAFB> dip: I was using this card: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=11_175_176&item_id=030937
[7:36] <jmadero> plus it makes me look like an idiot that I can't speak more eloquently
[7:36] <TAFB> check out where it is on the list ;)
[7:36] <jmadero> I haven't stolen one show in a decade, but this kind of stuff makes me reconsider.....
[7:37] <jmadero> stolen meaning pirate stuff ;)
[7:37] <TAFB> kat.ph has a lot of shows ;)
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[7:37] <dipstick> where what is?
[7:37] <TAFB> that memory card
[7:37] <TAFB> 32gb patriot LX
[7:37] <TAFB> on the toms hardware performance list
[7:38] <jmadero> torrents are begging to get caught ;)
[7:38] <TAFB> kat.ph has a free encrypted vpn tunnel you can download through ;)
[7:38] <dipstick> 8.89?
[7:38] <TAFB> yeah, bottom of the list :(
[7:38] <TAFB> so remember, 3 web pages per second with that card.
[7:38] <dipstick> jmadero, not if you do it right. ;P
[7:38] <TAFB> so I went out and bought this one: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[7:39] <TAFB> see it on the list? :)
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[7:40] <dipstick> at the top
[7:40] <TAFB> yep, 2nd from the top :)
[7:40] <TAFB> I ran the test again, 138 pagers per min! woot :)
[7:40] <TAFB> pages
[7:40] <dipstick> nice
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[7:40] <TAFB> I figured the other one, class 10, should be fast right? lol. what a joke
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[7:42] <dipstick> hmm, can I power it without applying 5v?
[7:42] <TAFB> possibly
[7:42] <TAFB> but usb wouldn't work
[7:42] <dipstick> for giggles
[7:42] <TAFB> or ethernet
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[7:43] <dipstick> power light lights lol
[7:43] <TAFB> nice!
[7:43] <TAFB> remember, no display without sd card with bootable os
[7:44] <dipstick> so, if I some how fixed the 5v, it'd be golden.
[7:44] <TAFB> see if it boots at 3.3 first
[7:44] <dipstick> would I have hdmi?
[7:44] <TAFB> yep
[7:44] <TAFB> gpu and sd are 3.3
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[7:48] <dipstick> no boot
[7:48] <TAFB> green activity led?
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[7:49] <dipstick> nope
[7:49] <TAFB> in happier news, my quake3 video is up! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_ch2qNII&hd=1
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[7:51] <dipstick> it must require 5v for something...
[7:52] <TAFB> or the cpu is cooked ;)
[7:52] <dipstick> could be
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[7:54] <dipstick> looks like I'll need a new pi then
[7:54] <TAFB> looks like it. and no funny powering the new one :(
[7:54] <Opinie> is dosfstools or mtools reqquired to access fat32 partitions on Raspbian?
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[7:55] <dipstick> lol yeah. only through the gpio or microusb
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[8:04] <dipstick> I have a sandisk ultra 8g class 6 card.
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[8:05] <TAFB> hopefully it survived
[8:05] <TAFB> did you check it in ur puter?
[8:06] <dipstick> yar
[8:06] <dipstick> it's alive
[8:06] <TAFB> woot
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[8:06] <TAFB> did you seem my quake video? :)
[8:08] <dipstick> don't think so
[8:08] <dipstick> and my hdmi port on the tv lived. if that mattered :x
[8:08] <TAFB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_ch2qNII&hd=1
[8:08] <TAFB> nice
[8:08] <TAFB> that helps
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[8:09] <dipstick> and the kb that was attached:)
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[8:09] <dipstick> it just happened to kill the 5v bus it seems.
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[8:12] <dipstick> lol you suck aparently :P
[8:13] <TAFB> aparently :)
[8:13] <TAFB> i haven't played it in 10 years, cut me some slack
[8:13] <dipstick> I've never played it.
[8:13] <dipstick> what's that under the ps3?
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[8:14] <TAFB> digital cable PVR
[8:14] <dipstick> nifty setup.
[8:14] <TAFB> works good. surround sound receiver on the very bottom, controls everything
[8:14] <TAFB> 12" sub in the corner
[8:15] <dipstick> i just have a ps3 and my desktop connected to my tv.
[8:15] <dipstick> desktop is doing dual monitor. :)
[8:17] <dipstick> well that was fun. I gotta go to bed now. ttyl
[8:17] <TAFB> nite nite sleep good
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[8:19] <dipstick> before I go, thought you'd might want a random pic. http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2783/20121213011851.png
[8:20] <dipstick> 18 days uptine for windows. impressive I think. :D
[8:20] <TAFB> mine is 39 days ;)
[8:20] <dipstick> since, you know, it loves to reboot.
[8:20] <axion> i suppose. more impressive is putting up with it however.
[8:21] <dipstick> it's not so bad actually.
[8:21] <TAFB> 39 days, 14 hours 47 mins :)
[8:21] <TAFB> and I use it for video editing, gaming, everything
[8:21] <dipstick> firefox wants to misbehave sometimes but meh.
[8:21] <TAFB> she'll need a reboot soon though, my monitors ain't goin to sleep
[8:21] <TAFB> I just end task firefox every other day, works ok
[8:22] <dipstick> it'll try to choke on flash sometimes.
[8:23] <dipstick> it has some updates due though.
[8:24] <dipstick> so I kill firefox, flash, chrome, and java and drop 3gigs lol
[8:24] <dipstick> the system itself uses 25%
[8:24] <axion> if you polish poop enough the smell is bearable?
[8:25] <axion> sounds messy and i'm skeptical
[8:25] <dipstick> axion, why do you hate windows so?
[8:26] <axion> i moreso hate the mouse and the gui mask blinding everyone
[8:27] <dipstick> I use both windows and linux. I find myself getting annoyed by the linux gui more than windows itself.
[8:28] <axion> i dont run a gui on any of my main workstations where i expect to get stuff done
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[8:28] <dipstick> cli junkie
[8:28] <dipstick> derp. I'll ttyl. this time, the monitor will be turn off.
[8:28] <axion> if you get rid of the mouse, and take time to learn, your productivity will double at least very fast
[8:28] <axion> byebye
[8:29] <dipstick> oh I know the cli, I just rather use a gui for most things, mainly for video and web browsing >.>
[8:30] <axion> video no gui needed, but as a web developer i hear you there. i still use x on my dev box to test
[8:31] <axion> i mean i need windows and mac too in that regard...doesnt mean i like them or use them though
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[9:30] <john_f> has anyone connected a lcd panel directly? I have seen the wiki notes suggesting what might work.
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[9:46] <asaru> directly to what
[9:46] <asaru> i have an lcd panel with rca input, easy :P
[9:47] <asaru> little 4.5" deal
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[9:49] <john_f> asaru: like the n900/n8 lcd screens
[9:49] <john_f> using the dsi port
[9:49] <asaru> oh ic
[9:49] <asaru> way more complicated ;P
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[10:16] <Jck_true> I deserve a darwin award for being that stupid . I moved all my hosting to my raspberry instead of my vps - Doubled checked i had remembered everything then I closed down my vps
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[10:16] <Jck_true> Only the to realize i had my irc bouncer hosted on it :|
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[10:23] <asaru> lol
[10:23] <asaru> dont need bnc here ;P
[10:23] <asaru> most networks allow some form of mangling these days
[10:24] <asaru> or, provide rather.. not allow
[10:24] <Jck_true> Yeah - I had just grown use to my Quassel setup where stuff would be logged server side and I could just from any machine :) Oh well - Suppose I can get that running on the raspberry when i get can back on SSH :P
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[10:47] <Elspuddy> hmm, it seems my pi has been stuck on updateing Setting up console-setup (1.87) for 3 days now, is it saft to ctrl+x it ?
[10:50] <Jck_true> Elspuddy: Yeah if you can
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[11:43] <damo22> i have updated firmware and 3.2.0-3-rpi wheezy kernel and it doesnt detect half of my ram
[11:43] <damo22> i am positive my device has 512
[11:44] <damo22> i am looking for any kernel that has headers that will detect the other 256mb
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[11:44] <damo22> i need to compile some kernel stuff
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[11:45] <damo22> has anyone compiled a kernel recently for pi and made .deb headers and image?
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[11:52] <damo22> what features do i need to compile into the kernel to ensure that i end up with a kernel that is able to detect the extra half of the ram with gpu_mem=xxx?
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[12:10] <nid0> damo22: you want the system to detect the ram thats been assigned to the gpu?
[12:10] <damo22> no
[12:11] <damo22> i want the other half of the ram to be usable by both
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[12:11] <damo22> even with a firmware update i believe it is kernel dependent
[12:12] <damo22> unless i am doing something terribly wrong
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[12:15] <Weaselweb> i doubt that this would work. afaik the GPU needs it's own part of RAM and any program running on the arm should not touch it at all
[12:15] <damo22> i dont think anyone has understood me.
[12:16] <akiwiguy> are you sure you have a 512mb model
[12:16] <Weaselweb> then rephrase and plase be more precise
[12:16] <damo22> I have the model with 512 mb ram. Some kernels detect that I have 512-16 = 496MB ram, other kernels think i have 256-16= 240MB
[12:17] <damo22> using gpu_mem=16
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[12:17] <akiwiguy> then stick with a kernel that thinks you have 496 and be done with it?
[12:17] <damo22> i cannot, because the one i have with 496 does not have kernel headers
[12:17] <damo22> so i cannot compile kernel modules
[12:18] <Weaselweb> have those kernels the same version?
[12:18] <damo22> no
[12:19] <damo22> 3.2.27+ = 496 3.2.0-3-rpi = 240
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[12:20] <damo22> the latter gives me headers with the wheezy raspbian
[12:20] <Weaselweb> compare the kernel config from both and check if the 3.2.27 doesn't have addional patches to actually support 512MB which the latter one might lack
[12:20] <akiwiguy> use gentoo, you're sure to get headers then
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[12:20] <akiwiguy> *cough*
[12:21] <damo22> is it possible to download the sources for the 3.2.27+ kernel that is used
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[12:21] <damo22> ie, the one most people are using
[12:22] <damo22> then i can cross compile it myself and i will generate headers
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[12:22] <damo22> :)
[12:22] <damo22> i can provide it as a 2x .deb packages when i finish
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[12:30] <Weaselweb> i guess you can, but I have no idea if that is compatible to the kernels debian generated. as akiwiguy said use gentoo, then you have full control ;-)
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[12:31] <damo22> all i need to do is build a zImage and throw it in the /boot directory
[12:32] <damo22> there is no real specific stuff
[12:32] <damo22> afaaik
[12:33] <damo22> the config is the critical part
[12:33] <damo22> :)
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[12:34] <damo22> and having the same sources that allow detection of the other half of ram (496)
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[12:34] <damo22> what is xbian?
[12:34] <Weaselweb> debian should ship their configs too. you just need to find them
[12:35] <damo22> sudo apt-get install xbian-package-headers3.2.27
[12:35] <damo22> they are shipping headers
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[12:52] <damo22> i would like to know what sources were used in the hexxeh repo for the kernel
[12:53] <damo22> this kernel works quite well
[12:53] <damo22> i would like to compile it myself and save the headers
[12:53] <damo22> i have the config
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[13:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ take a booted one you wqant and do a zcat /proc/config.gz >.config
[13:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha - i was not scrolled properly
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[13:19] <Weaselweb> RaTTuS|BIG: that only works if the kernel has the coresponding option set, which afaik most distro kernel don't have
[13:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
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[14:08] <nootrope> Hello. Anyone able to tell me if I can run expand_rootfs without destroying my fully setup raspi SD? I thought I had run it to take the full 8GB card but df -h shows 95% usage at 1.8GB.
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[14:10] <neilr> nootrope: I used raspi-config to expand my filesystem to fill a 4GB card. Didn't lose anything in the process.
[14:10] <nootrope> neilr: good to hear, thank you!
[14:11] <nootrope> neilr: how much time passed between your original setup and you re-running the config?
[14:11] <neilr> Good question! A few days I'd guess. I can't remember exactly.
[14:12] <nootrope> ok. thank you!
[14:14] <Jck_true> nootrope: You have to reboot after running the command :)
[14:15] <neilr> Jck_true: I'm 86.552% sure that raspi-config prompts you to reboot if you want to.
[14:15] <neilr> Approximately
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[14:17] <nootrope> Jck_true: yep. thanks you
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[14:22] <nootrope> worked like a charm. thanks, neilr & Jck_true
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[14:25] <arcanescu> i keep getting these messages on the pi : ERROR: failed to load symbols from /lib/modules/3.2.27+/kernel/net/netfilter/xt_multiport.ko: Invalid argument and similar others
[14:25] <arcanescu> what are they supposed to mean ... the modules are already in the f older
[14:25] <arcanescu> 1- ive compiled my kernel 2- transferred the modules.... do i need to do something else?
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[15:04] <maxime> I have a question about the raspberry kernel and the vcos driver, I'm compiling without the support for BUG() and it appears the compile breaks on vchiq_core.c because vcos_abort() is not defined. And indeed in vcos_assert.h it seems that it is undefined, so I have a small patch that will define an empty function but I really don't know if it's the way to go. Could someone help me a little ?
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[15:07] <Weaselweb> maxime: I'm curious: why would you want to compile without CONFIG_BUG?
[15:07] <maxime> Weaselweb: Just for the fun of it, I'm trying to boot as fast as possible, so I was trimming down the kernel
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[15:08] <Weaselweb> IMO CONFIG_BUG is the wrong part of stripping things to speed up booting. I didn't check but I think the kernel itself has bootet within 1s or so. the main time "wasted" is during init and all it starts
[15:09] <Weaselweb> to your actual problem: even if CONFIG_BUG is not defined there is a BUG(). see include/asm-generic/bug.h
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[15:10] <maxime> Weaselweb: That is true, this part is actually pretty trimmed, I'm actually booting in 6s (booting = power on to XBMC menu display). Trying to get more out of it
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[15:15] <maxime> Weaselweb: I can't find any relation between the vcos_abort() and BUG, in fact I don't even find where vcos_abort is implemented at all :/ (grep doesn't give me anything, just the definition, preceded by VCOSPRE_ which I don't know what that means)
[15:15] <Weaselweb> maxime: even then BUG raises a kernel panic due to errors. removing that seems wrong. BUG_ON(condition) defines to do { if (unlikely(condition)) BUG(); } while(0)
[15:16] <Weaselweb> and if (unlikely(condition) usually is just one assembler instruction, so you optimize in the scope of nanosesonds
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[15:16] <Weaselweb> I don't have my rasperry source 3.6 here, so I can't check the sources
[15:16] <maxime> Weaselweb: I'm not saying that it's not pointless here :). As I said, it's only for the fun part of it
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[15:17] <Weaselweb> ok. if you think you patch is ok, bug the maintainer with it
[15:17] <maxime> Weaselweb: I trully don't know, it compiles, but does it really work and is the good place to put it, etc... I'm not familiar with all the VCOS_ stuff
[15:18] <maxime> I'll send an email to the maintainer, I was just checking here, just in case
[15:18] <Weaselweb> that's why you should put that to developers, e.g.send patches to comment or file a bug somewhere
[15:18] <maxime> Weaselweb: thanks for your comments
[15:18] <Weaselweb> i doubt you will find much linux kernel developers here
[15:18] <Weaselweb> if at all
[15:18] <maxime> oh okey
[15:19] <Weaselweb> i guess most people here are just users or user-space developers at most
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[15:20] <maxime> I'll come back for question about the user spaces then :)
[15:21] <maxime> questions; user space
[15:21] * neilr is happy to be "just a user or user space developer at most" :)
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[15:23] <advisor> i gots a few questions, does the pi support C++ ?
[15:23] <Weaselweb> neilr: hrhr. but I can say that kernel developer is much fun also _if_ you have proper documentation
[15:24] <neilr> Weaselweb: I'm just jealous really! My programming skills stop at "Hello, world!" :)
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[15:26] <exobuzz> advisor, yep
[15:26] <Weaselweb> well, programming doesn't just C or C++ (which I guess is what you're thinking of). think of shell, python, perl, whatever
[15:26] <JohnRambozo> dos batch files ftw.
[15:26] <exobuzz> it will run any language that is available for linux pretty much
[15:26] <neilr> I'm currently using RISC OS, so it's BASIC and obey files
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[15:28] <neilr> gcc is way better supported on Raspbian
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[15:53] <mlechner> hi, I received my rpi two days ago and now I'm looking for a nice USB-based WLAN-Adapter that can be set to managed master mode to configure my rpi as wlan access point
[15:53] <mlechner> ... doing this on wheezy
[15:54] <yaMatt> I've looked at doing something similar but it seems to be trial and error unless you get someone who has one that works
[15:55] <yaMatt> I have one but it doesn't do .11n
[15:55] <yaMatt> and it was just one I had lying around
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[16:00] <mlechner> yaMatt well any adapter whos driver provides matser mode should be usable. E.g. Adapters using Atheros AR 9285 or others. May be anybody found one
[16:01] <mlechner> Anybody knows if the Edimax EW-7811UN can be set to master mode?
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[16:03] <axion> mlechner: checking
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[16:06] <axion> mlechner: yes
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[16:11] <axion> mlechner: however i cannot entr monitor mode for some reason
[16:11] <jmadero> hi all, this is a cross post (not sure if that's allowed or not), I'm a dev for LibreOffice and just because I know quite a few people here are computer literate :) We're doing a test week against LibreOffice 4 starting tomorrow, please feel free to join if you have just a little time http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Test_Marathon_LibreOffice_4.0
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[16:12] <mlechner> axion, thnx 4 checking
[16:12] <axion> nice little wifi device for $10
[16:12] <axion> havent had any issues with it
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[16:32] <lord4163> Hi
[16:32] <lord4163> How the hack do I insert/mount my pi into the RS Case?
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[16:34] <ShiftPlusOne> lord4163: if it's the same one I have, it clips into the flat base
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> than the cover clips over the base.
[16:35] <lord4163> so just pushing it down and no screws?
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[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> the clips are flat one one side, so insert under there first, then push down on the other side until it clips.
[16:35] <ShiftPlusOne> When I got mine there were no mounting holes, so I don't know if anything has changes with the case
[16:36] <lord4163> it has two holes down
[16:36] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea then, good luck =)
[16:37] <lord4163> I think I don't need them.
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[16:38] <ShiftPlusOne> sour grapes, ey?
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[16:40] <lord4163> Thank you :) It's now in it's new home :)
[16:41] <jelly1> anyone know if mjpg decoding is working on the Pi?
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[16:57] <lord4163> No space left on device -_-
[16:57] <lord4163> might be the partition that is too small right?
[16:57] <lord4163> have to extand it?
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[16:58] <neilr> lord4163: try "df -h" to show you how much space is there
[16:58] <pksato> lord4163: use df command do chech fs usage.
[16:59] <lord4163> oke
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[16:59] <lord4163> I did that yesterday and it really were small partitions, but why can I run updates in that case?
[17:00] <pksato> lord4163: size of you SD?
[17:00] <lord4163> 32GB
[17:00] <lord4163> but the root partition is like 1.6GB
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[17:00] <pksato> and expanded original image FS to all space?
[17:00] <lord4163> I don't really know why
[17:01] <jmadero> lord4163: the Pi does this on purpose so you can make a second partition easily, just expand the partition
[17:01] <jmadero> you can do this easily from your computer depending on the OS you use, if you're using Linux use gparted
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[17:02] <lord4163> Yes I can do it with Palimpsest (gnome disk utility) right?
[17:02] <pksato> lord4163: what distribuition?
[17:02] <lord4163> Raspbian
[17:02] <lord4163> wheezy
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[17:02] <pksato> Raspbian ask if you wich to expand. or run rasp-config
[17:02] <jmadero> lord4163: no you can't use that to resize
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[17:03] <lord4163> Hmm ok, then Ive to install gparted
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[17:04] <lord4163> Where is rasp-config?
[17:04] <pksato> sudo rasp-config
[17:05] <lord4163> rasp-config: command not found
[17:06] <pksato> or is other name?
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[17:06] <pksato> sudo raspi-config
[17:07] <steve_rox> anything fun going on?
[17:07] <lord4163> yep found it
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[17:13] <roasted> hello!
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[17:14] <roasted> down to 1 pi, both hdd's synced
[17:14] <roasted> seems to be a pretty pro home server
[17:15] <roasted> I do have one more test to conduct on it. I have the two drives rsyncing once a day. I also have two H264 streams saving to it 247 from my surveillance cameras. I'm curious if the rsync is under load if it'll interrupt or make the H264 streams stutter as they're saved to the Pi.
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[17:18] <lord4163> I hate to resize partitions, very dangerous :(
[17:22] <neilr> if you just want to expand your root filesystem, let raspi-config do it for you.
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[17:25] <roasted> with USB and LAN being integrated, that means there's a possible throughput of 480mbps between the two combined, right?
[17:25] <pksato> yes. SoC have one USB port.
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[17:25] <roasted> soc?
[17:26] <pksato> BCM SoC, main chip.
[17:26] <akSeya> hello ^^
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[17:26] <roasted> pksato: not sure I understand. There's two USB ports on my Pi. You mean they're wired together as one internally?
[17:26] <pksato> Yes.
[17:26] <akSeya> folks, i'm googling for an error I get here with Arch and bluetooth... Bluetooth: hci0 command tx timeout .. 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[17:27] <pksato> Ethernet chip, also is a USB HUB.
[17:27] <roasted> pksato: so there's one internal USB port which shares the speed between the LAN and TWO USB ports?
[17:27] <roasted> so 480 between 2 USB 1 NIC?
[17:27] <akSeya> 3.2.27-17-ARCH+
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[17:28] <pksato> 2 USB and NIC shares a 480MB/s bandwidth
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[17:29] <roasted> you mean mbps
[17:29] <pksato> yes
[17:29] <roasted> 480mbps is 60 MB/s. Divide that by 3 (USB1, USB2, and NIC) and it's 20MB/s per channel.
[17:29] <roasted> assuming zero overhead
[17:30] <roasted> I was worried that my H264 streams would get interrupted by the rsync'ing of the two USB drives, but the USB drives seem to average about 2-3 MB/s, and the H264 sreams (2 of them combined) comes out to about 1.3-1.6 MB/s continual transfer.
[17:31] <roasted> So even with overhead, 20 MB/s per channel is quite a bit higher than what I'm actually seeing, so I guess, in theory, I shouldn't see any issues with my H264 feeds as the Pi rsyncs the drives.
[17:31] <Dagger2> roasted: the chip is just a USB hub. it doesn't do any funky equal splitting or anything, it works just the same as a 3-port USB hub with a USB<->Ethernet adapter plugged into one port
[17:31] <roasted> Dagger2: I understand. I'm just trying to theorize everything so I can get a better grasp of it.
[17:31] <roasted> Dagger2: all that would suggest is instead of equal splits of 202020, it could be 10/30/20, etc. eh?
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[17:35] <Dagger2> it's 480 MBit/s shared between all the devices. I'm not sure how bandwidth sharing works in USB, so I don't know precisely how it would end up shared
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[17:36] <roasted> I guess what I'm saying is, the overall numbers crunched down are still quite a bit higher than the throughput I'm seeing. Which, is good, I think, because at least I know it should suggest in theory that my video surveillance streams won't be suffering in transfer quality/integrity when rsync kicks in
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[17:36] <Dagger2> note that your actual throughput will be a fair bit lower than 480 Mbit/s... since if you try, you can't push more than about 30 MB/s to a USB2 harddrive
[17:36] <roasted> at first I thought 2 USB 1 NIC shared across 480mbps would be considerably low.
[17:36] <Dagger2> and that's all in one direction to one device, I'm not sure how multiple devices + transfers in two different directions would affect it
[17:37] <roasted> maybe what I should do is begin a massive rsync
[17:37] <roasted> and let it run for 2-3minutes
[17:37] <roasted> then watch the h264 feeds back and see if they recorded properly
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[17:37] <Dagger2> but right, it'd be a max of 10 MB/s from ethernet so that should work... but you should test, because there could be other issues than just the USB bus
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[17:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Anyone here happen to know how to prevent su from messing up some /dev/ permissions?
[17:48] <neilr> ShiftPlusOne: forgetting the root password generally prevents me from breaking anything else :-/
[17:48] <ShiftPlusOne> heh, no that's not the problem I am referring to.
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/38538/bash-dev-stderr-permission-denied
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> the top answer describes what the problem is
[17:49] <ShiftPlusOne> but I can't find a solution
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[17:58] <pksato> ShiftPlusOne: I never have problem like it.
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[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, it's a bit strange. I have given up trying to fix it, doing things a bit differently now.
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> make -j5
[17:59] <ShiftPlusOne> bah
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[17:59] <pksato> permissive use of sudo and su.
[17:59] <dukky> hi, I just got a raspberry pi as a present and it came with a 4GB sd card (element 14, has a raspberry pi logo on it) and I have tried to set it up following the guide on the raspberry pi website but am unable to flash the image as it only shows up as 56MB, and I am unable to format it to 4gb, only 56mb
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[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> That was happening when using su - someotheruser , not just 'su'
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[18:00] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, doesn't matter now.
[18:00] <pksato> dukky: ignore current SD partitions, just dump new image using disk writer tools.
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[18:01] <dukky> Oh it's suddenly working now
[18:01] <dukky> before it gave an error saying the disk was too small to write the image
[18:01] <ShiftPlusOne> dukky: likely that you were trying to write to a partition rather than the whole disk
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[18:02] <dukky> possibly, but the win32diskiamger program only let me select drive ltters
[18:02] <ShiftPlusOne> then I blame windows
[18:02] <dukky> and only 1 showed up for the sd card
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[18:03] <linuxstb> ShiftPlusOne: Where are you experiencing that /dev/ permission problem? On your Pi?
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[18:03] <ShiftPlusOne> linuxstb: nope, just threw it out here since I didn't want to ask in ##linux.
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[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> bash -v
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> grr
[18:04] <linuxstb> Ubuntu?
[18:04] <dukky> I have a feeling it actually came with the os preinstalled but I'd already attempted to format it by then
[18:04] <ShiftPlusOne> close enough, yeah (mint)
[18:05] <linuxstb> dukky: Yes, it did. But no harm in writing the latest version.
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[18:15] <dukky> thanks linuxstb pksato and ShiftPlusOne, got it working now
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[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't do anything, but you're welcome.
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[18:17] <Kane> o/
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[18:22] <martk100> I can not get my Belkin wifi dongle working on the latest Rasbian dated 28/10/12. The problem seems to be in wpa_supplicant. Which I can not make head or tail of.
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[18:51] <Flyser> Can anyone recommend a power supply for three raspberrys? Something like this: http://www.amazon.de/Belkin-USB-Netzadapter-iPod-iPhone/dp/B003DN3API
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[18:52] <ParkerR_> :/ That moment when you tab fail and accidentally sudo rm -rf /usr/share/
[18:53] <rymate1234> ParkerR_, well done
[18:53] <rymate1234> !
[18:53] <ParkerR_> Ikr
[18:53] <ParkerR_> I stopped it but a chunk of it got deleted
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[18:54] <ParkerR_> So I'm tar'ing up the imortant stuff and then going to reflash an earlier backup I made
[18:54] <ParkerR_> *omportant
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[18:56] <TAFB> parker!??!
[18:56] <TAFB> PARKER?!
[18:56] <ParkerR_> What?
[18:56] <TAFB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_ch2qNII&hd=1
[18:56] <phenom> Man,, I have 2 bad rpi's
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[18:57] <wiiguy> bad rpi's ?
[18:57] <TAFB> phenom: you sure they're bad, not power issues?
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[18:57] <phenom> Any of you guys have issues with constant SD corruption?
[18:57] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Nice
[18:57] <wiiguy> phenom that si turbo
[18:57] <wiiguy> that si because of turbo
[18:57] <ParkerR_> *is twice :P
[18:57] <phenom> I haven't OC'd beyond what's allowed
[18:58] <TAFB> phenom: raspi-config sucks for overclocking
[18:58] <TAFB> phenom: I had constant SD card corruption
[18:58] <wiiguy> phenom turbo is causing the corruption
[18:58] <phenom> And I haven't OC'd them at all since I reflashed and I still get it
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[18:58] <phenom> It works fine for 15 minutes,, and then geeks out.
[18:58] <wiiguy> bad sd ?
[18:58] <phenom> OK
[18:58] <phenom> No, 2 brand new sandisk sd cards
[18:58] <wiiguy> phenom try to get ya os on a usb
[18:59] <phenom> I have 3 rpi's total
[18:59] <wiiguy> that should fix it aswell
[18:59] <TAFB> phenom: can you test TP1-TP2 voltage WHILE the Pi is booting? http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
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[18:59] <TAFB> phenom: when I was super crappy microUSB cable I was getting corruption too, and noticed bad dips in voltage. But when I was sitting idle, voltage was fine!
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[19:00] <phenom> I think my meter is in the car
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[19:00] <TAFB> phenom: when you get back, check out my super awesome (not) microUSB cable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw&hd=1
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[19:07] <JohnRambozo> .3 to .45 volts isn't enough? ;)
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[19:08] <JohnRambozo> or is that amps?
[19:08] <phenom> TAFB: One stays above 5VDC throughout boot. The other drops to 4.8 :/
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[19:08] <TAFB> john: where? It's like 4.7 volts at idle, down to like 3.7v under load? :)
[19:08] <JohnRambozo> oh okay.
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[19:08] <JohnRambozo> i couldn't tell exactly what was being displayed.
[19:08] <JohnRambozo> the numbers but not the decimal.
[19:09] <TAFB> click in HD in full screen :)
[19:09] <TAFB> yeah, the leading 0 throws some people off (that use my meter)
[19:09] <TAFB> the voltage is like 04.68v :)
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[19:10] <JohnRambozo> what is the ideal voltage?
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[19:10] <ShiftPlusOne> 5 +/- 0.15
[19:10] <TAFB> for TP1-TP2?
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[19:10] <TAFB> i've heard 4.8v was ok
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[19:16] <phenom> So, I changed cables,, power supplies etc. Same voltage at T-1/2 as before.
[19:17] <TAFB> what's the number?
[19:17] <TAFB> on boot, the lowest
[19:17] <phenom> Drops just below 4.8 at its low
[19:17] <TAFB> did you see my youtube voltage video? I have two USB cables that's do that, reguardless of which power supply I use :(
[19:17] <phenom> Regardless of cables
[19:18] <TAFB> 4.8 is reguarded as the bare minimum, if it's dropping below that at any time, that could be your issue.
[19:18] <phenom> I took the one from the rpi that's working OK though. :/
[19:18] <TAFB> some Pi's are more sensitive, due to crappy voltage regulator
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[19:18] <phenom> OK, I'll round up a few more cables.
[19:18] <TAFB> can you check voltage from F3 to D17 (the sides of the chip closest to the edge of the board).
[19:19] <TAFB> It's on the bottom of the board, by the microUSB jack
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[19:19] <TAFB> where you want to test, is where you see the two wires going in the top left of this pic: http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[19:19] <Amnesia> question, does raspbian have a static ip by default? If so, what is it:)?
[19:19] <TAFB> nope
[19:19] <TAFB> dhcp
[19:20] <phenom> Shouldn't be this sensitive though. I don't know of any other devices this sensitive to such a low voltage drop.
[19:20] <TAFB> type: ip addr
[19:20] <TAFB> to see the IP
[19:20] <Amnesia> ah k, ty TAFB
[19:20] <Amnesia> no keyboard:)
[19:20] <Amnesia> need to ssh into it
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[19:20] <TAFB> Amnesia: check your routers DHCP list to find the IP ;)
[19:20] <Amnesia> will do;), ty
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[19:20] <roasted> hello!
[19:21] <lord4163> hello
[19:21] <TAFB> phenom: You're asking a device that's supposed to have a flawless 5.0v for running usb, 3.3 for gpu and cpu, etc. work fine on under 4.8v? that's pretty far out of spec ;)
[19:21] <TAFB> hey roasted :)
[19:21] <lord4163> Does anyone know a good DLNA client?
[19:21] <roasted> hi there TAFB
[19:21] <lord4163> which runs as daemon
[19:21] <roasted> did some testing... pushed mass rsync transfer while still recording the feeds. didn't bog down at all.
[19:21] <roasted> pretty happy about that
[19:21] <TAFB> roasted: did you see my quake3 video or super awesome microUSB voltage test video?
[19:21] <roasted> TAFB: I have not
[19:22] <roasted> TAFB: I'm more interested in using the pi for server related things, although XBMC does interest me considerably.
[19:22] <TAFB> roasted: quake3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_ch2qNII&hd=1
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[19:23] <TAFB> roasted: quake3 is a great burn test for the Pi. Especially if you're overclocking. You know if it'll survive 10 mins of Quake3 it should be good for what ever video/server requirments you'll throw at it :)
[19:23] <phenom> Amnesia: perl -pi -e "s/^iface eth0 inet dhcp/\#iface eth0 inet dhcp\naddress\nnetmask\ngateway" /etc/network/interfaces
[19:24] <phenom> Amnesia: When you do ssh in to it. To give it a static IP.
[19:24] <roasted> TAFB: I'll keep it in mind, as I might consider using XBMC for my other Pi since I realized, like an idiot, I don't need 2 Pi's for rsyncing two drives - just keep both drives in a single Pi.
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[19:24] <TAFB> roasted: good plan :) check out my MicroUSB cable test video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw&hd=1
[19:25] <TAFB> gets a good crash at the end
[19:25] <TAFB> reminded me of blue screen of death on windows
[19:25] <TAFB> cause it was blue
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[19:26] <phenom> TAFB: Yea, I'll eat my cake too- thx :P
[19:27] <TAFB> phenom: did you check F3 to D17 yet?
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[19:27] <phenom> TAFB: @ boot?
[19:27] <TAFB> naa
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[19:27] <TAFB> just powered on
[19:27] <TAFB> sides of chips closest to the board
[19:27] <TAFB> did you see the pic I posted for location?
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[19:27] <TAFB> http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[19:27] <TAFB> top left, where the wires go
[19:28] <TAFB> test those two points, edges of chips
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[19:29] <lord4163> can't install xbmc o.0
[19:30] <phenom> TAFB: 5.23 and 5
[19:31] <TAFB> what do you mean 5.23 and 5?
[19:31] <TAFB> touch F3 and D17 with the probes, should give you one number
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[19:32] <phenom> It was at 5.23 volts steady on one pi,, and 5 steady on the other
[19:32] <TAFB> ok, something is up. 5.23 is way way too high
[19:32] <phenom> sigh
[19:33] <roasted> has anybody installed phpsysinfo on their pi?
[19:33] <phenom> So far one PI has costed me over $100
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[19:34] <roasted> ...how?
[19:34] <phenom> Bought 3,, one works. (at present)
[19:34] <roasted> so one Pi hasn't ran you 100
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[19:34] <roasted> 3 Pi's ran you 100
[19:34] <Torikun> yo
[19:34] <TAFB> phenom: My costs, pi: $35, SD card $30, case $70, usb supply $30, 24ga microusb cable $2
[19:34] <phenom> I'll try different cables etc on them but
[19:35] <Torikun> any arch users?
[19:35] <TAFB> phenom: don't feed bad, my first two Pi's were bad too!
[19:35] <axion> Torikun: sure
[19:35] <phenom> I'd much rather take them out back and shoot them.
[19:35] <Torikun> how you like arch on the pi axion
[19:35] <Flyser> TAFB: your case is made of pure titanium?
[19:35] <TAFB> Flyser: better for heat, aluminum
[19:35] <axion> been using arch since it came out 10 years ago
[19:35] <axion> i love it
[19:36] <Torikun> I used to use arch on my x86, loved it. I do not like arm arch lol
[19:36] <TAFB> Flyser: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/110984616925
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[19:36] <axion> its the same thing with a rpi kernel
[19:36] <Flyser> TAFB: pretty slick. wouldn't spend 70 bucks on it though
[19:36] <axion> userspace is the compiled the same minus a couple packages
[19:36] <Torikun> the unit is too slow to even web browse lol
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[19:36] <phenom> axion: Do you, like many Arch users have a bias against apt-get? :)
[19:36] <axion> nah it isnt
[19:37] <Torikun> there is no good web browser for arch
[19:37] <Torikun> epiphany crashes a lot, midori sucks
[19:37] <Torikun> I have to use chome via ssh now
[19:37] <TAFB> Torikun: did you overclock? the web it much better at 1ghz :) http://pastebin.com/1aBsWs87
[19:38] <Torikun> i did the overclock but it is not 1ghz, nine 7-900 something mhz
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[19:38] <TAFB> Torikun: check out that config.txt, on demand over clocking to 1ghz, way way more stable than raspi-config 1ghz :)
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[19:38] <Torikun> ok ty
[19:38] <axion> Torikun: any web browser for any linux distro works on arch
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[19:39] <Torikun> arch only has those two main browsers axion in the repo
[19:39] <axion> lol
[19:39] <axion> try close to 100
[19:39] <phenom> TAFB: Is that config.txt a warranty killer
[19:39] <Torikun> I mean modern browsers lol
[19:40] <Torikun> it does not have firefox or chrome
[19:40] <TAFB> phenom: nope
[19:40] <axion> yes i do too, with the latest webkit features
[19:40] <axion> or gecko or whatever
[19:40] <Torikun> what do you use on it axion
[19:40] <phenom> I'm thinkiiiiiiing of returning these damn DOA POS FTW!
[19:40] <TAFB> phenom: it's BETTER than the warranty config, temp limit is 70 degrees instead of 85 like stock ;)
[19:40] <axion> i use xombrero and uzbl sometimes. mostly i use elinks though
[19:40] <TAFB> phenom: I had to return my first two, thought I was never going to get a tasty Pi!
[19:41] <Torikun> Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
[19:41] <Torikun> BogoMIPS : 697.95
[19:41] <TAFB> phenom: check out my bad Pi :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMPBcVCw10&hd=1
[19:41] <phenom> I read they make a OC sticky bit. Don't want to have the bit hammer come down on my if I send them back.
[19:41] <axion> phenom: i am not aginst apt-get. i prefer arch because it has today's packages and is much faster to resolve dependencies and custom tailor a package without learning about spec files and such
[19:42] <TAFB> run raspi-config, says you can overclock all you want without warranty problems. It only sets the OC bit if you raise the temp over 85 or the max voltage over 1.35, etc.
[19:42] <Torikun> i am rebooting after looking at the new onfig.txt now
[19:42] <Torikun> seeing if it worked
[19:42] <phenom> axion: For some reason when I was getting in to Arch, the userbase would just bash Debian, and namely apt-get heh
[19:43] <TAFB> torikun :) you'll like it, even for the boot speed
[19:43] <axion> phenom: i dont participate in distro wars often. use what you like. the reason there are thousands of gnu systems with the linux kernel is because of its flexibility with multiple user preferences
[19:43] <phenom> TAFB: Ah,, OK
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[19:43] <Flyser> phenom: I used both and prefer the pacman/emerge style over apt
[19:44] <Torikun> Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
[19:44] <Torikun> BogoMIPS : 996.14
[19:44] <Torikun> it worked ! ty
[19:44] <TAFB> nice :)
[19:44] <TAFB> it should run super silky
[19:44] <phenom> TAFB: I'm making a rpi config script to save headaches later, I'll add your mods.
[19:44] <TAFB> it runs at a super cool 500mhz, then scales up to 1ghz when reqired ;)
[19:45] <Torikun> anyone using omxplayer-git on arch?
[19:45] <axion> the main thing i do not like about apt, not bashing it or anything, but i dont like 1) how slow it is to resolve deps, and 2) i dont like the splitting up of a developer's package unintendedly...like all the -dev packages, etc. arch installs packages how they were packaged upstream by the programmer, and also without support for every shared library known to man (faster, smaller binaries)
[19:46] <Torikun> TAFB: axion got any guides on what the memory setting should be
[19:46] <axion> ?
[19:46] <Torikun> http://pastebin.com/qzB7TK0R
[19:46] <Torikun> THat is my current settings for max ram
[19:46] <TAFB> you mean GPU share size?
[19:47] <Torikun> yeah
[19:47] <TAFB> 16 mb for web/email server
[19:47] <TAFB> 128 mb for quake 3
[19:47] <TAFB> ^^ my settings
[19:47] <TAFB> also, was reading online that v2 512mb board support dynamic GPU memory allocation?? wtf?
[19:48] <axion> i dont know about CMA...i never had a eed for dynamic memory
[19:49] <TAFB> i know I shouldn't really be playing quake 3 on my mission criticle web/email Pi but you know...
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[19:49] <axion> i run my desktop in ~50mb and leave 128 to the gpu
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[19:49] <axion> still more than half left for sys most of the time
[19:49] <axion> on a 256
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[19:50] <Torikun> how much gpu memory should be available for watching video online with midori such as the linuxaction show?
[19:50] <TAFB> axion: I'm still trying to get this working on my webserver: http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/027-live-raspberry-pi-system-stats
[19:50] <Torikun> with current settings, notthing plays choppy audio
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[19:53] <roasted> I have yet to boot into the GUI of my Pi
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[19:53] <roasted> Raspbian is LXDE, no?
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[19:53] <TAFB> yep
[19:53] <roasted> nice, nice
[19:53] <TAFB> i was using x11vnc before I discovered putty/ssh so I had to use X
[19:53] <roasted> I might have to fire it up and see
[19:53] <TAFB> i'm getting along at the shell OK now
[19:54] <roasted> I'm a terminal junkie, so once I saw it had SSH I was already in love and didn't care to look elsewhere.
[19:54] <TAFB> rofl
[19:54] <roasted> SSH is all well and good for a server, but if I'm going to XBMC this other Pi, well, ya know.
[19:55] <Torikun> overclocking to 1ghz did not help midori start up faster much
[19:55] <axion> i could do it fairly easily in lisp. maybe i should release a binary to piland
[19:55] <axion> err source
[19:55] <axion> did i say binary lol
[19:56] <axion> TAFB
[19:56] <TAFB> Torikun: which SD card you runnin
[19:56] <roasted> speaking of SD cards, super happy with mine from RadioShack
[19:56] <TAFB> axion
[19:56] <Torikun> hmm not sure
[19:56] <TAFB> roasted: OMG I set up Pancake and PHP and did a web page load test, 3 pages loaded per second...
[19:57] <TAFB> roasted: I thought that was OK... but figured I'd try my other SD card... 138 pages per second! WOW!
[19:57] <roasted> do I dare ask - what's pancake?
[19:57] <TAFB> pancake is web server :)
[19:57] <roasted> ah
[19:57] <TAFB> i use citadel for webmail/pop3/smtp
[19:57] <roasted> haven't heard of it
[19:57] <TAFB> it's fast :)
[19:57] <TAFB> on the pi
[19:57] <roasted> I use apache for my uses
[19:57] <TAFB> with good sd card.
[19:57] <TAFB> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/IOMeter-2008.08.18,2708.html
[19:58] <roasted> I've tinkered with LightTDM or whatever it is
[19:58] <axion> i'll work on a pi stats web app for you
[19:58] <roasted> along with Nagios
[19:58] <roasted> TAFB: have you tinkered with phpsysinfo?
[19:58] <TAFB> my first card I had, Patriot LX 32gb class 10, BOTTOM OF THE list for Pi performance :(
[19:58] <TAFB> so I bought the 2nd from the best: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[19:58] <TAFB> works sweet now :)
[19:58] <roasted> TAFB: that was the old SD card I just replaced. Glad toknow I made a good choice.
[19:58] <Torikun> oh
[19:59] <roasted> TAFB: I got the Sandisk Extreme's based on, "just because"
[19:59] <roasted> not so much omgosh I see the Patriot LX is terrible etc
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[19:59] <TAFB> roasted: great card :)
[19:59] <Torikun> i got a black sandisk card
[19:59] <TAFB> they say, once you go black you don't go back
[19:59] <Torikun> so sandisk is good right?
[20:00] <TAFB> Torikun: some of them
[20:00] <Torikun> increasing gpu memory to 100 did not help
[20:00] <axion> any gamedevs here?
[20:00] <TAFB> Torikun: The SanDisk Extreme 16gb class 10 is great, their 32mb is very slow.
[20:01] <Torikun> ah
[20:01] <axion> Ludum Dare tomorrow!
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[20:02] <ShiftPlusOne> nice =)
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[20:03] <CelticTurnip> hi all
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[20:04] <CelticTurnip> anyone looking for a case? Adafruit have their limited edition pibow available again... http://www.adafruit.com/products/1037
[20:04] <TAFB> hey CelticTurnip
[20:05] <TAFB> nice lookin case :)
[20:05] <roasted> I got two clear cases from ecrater a while back
[20:05] <TAFB> I'm happy with my $4 case from china, and my $70 case made in the USA :)
[20:05] <roasted> USPS only justnow acknowledged they've been shipped, despite the fact they were actually shipped a week ago
[20:05] <roasted> USPS's tracking is so bad I wonder whyt hey bother
[20:06] <CelticTurnip> the $70 is that metal 1 TAFB?
[20:06] <TAFB> aluminum, yep.
[20:06] <TAFB> just got it today
[20:06] <TAFB> so jelly to try it on my pi
[20:06] <CelticTurnip> :)
[20:06] <TAFB> it won't be naked any more! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
[20:06] <Torikun> TAFB: what if I ran a brower in ram?
[20:06] <CelticTurnip> I've got a clear Adafruit here, and I just ordered that blue one
[20:06] <Torikun> like extracted firefox to a ramdisk and ran it? should be fast right
[20:07] <CelticTurnip> eh? all apps run in RAM :P
[20:07] <TAFB> Torikun: I dunno, I'm a linux noob, and haven't browesed the web on the Pi. Mine is a web and e-mail server :(
[20:07] <Torikun> TAFB: You goot at setting up mx records?
[20:07] <TAFB> HAHA LOL no
[20:07] <TAFB> e-mail pi@tafb.xxx
[20:07] <TAFB> sometimes the mx works, sometimes not
[20:08] <Torikun> I wanted to setup mine but can not send complains about mx
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[20:08] <TAFB> are you with godaddy?
[20:08] <Torikun> dyndns
[20:08] <Torikun> I just wanna send emails to local machine
[20:08] <Torikun> for testing
[20:08] <TAFB> hmmm. I fixed it by moving domains to godaddy and their MX manager re-wrote all my MX records, works sweet now.
[20:08] <Torikun> ah
[20:08] <TAFB> It said the SPF was not complete, and reverse something wasn't set up
[20:08] <TAFB> and fixed it.
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[20:10] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: did you see my naked Pi? it needs a case :)
[20:10] <roasted> I thought about setting up my own email server.
[20:10] <roasted> Gmail makes it too convenient though
[20:11] <TAFB> lol
[20:11] <viric> yes, that's the trick of some closed source
[20:11] <viric> 'be more convenient'
[20:12] <roasted> failing to see how a personal email account is monumental enough to warrant that argument.
[20:12] <CelticTurnip> TAFB I love the UPS... you get like what 2 weeks of backup?
[20:12] <CelticTurnip> :)
[20:12] <jelly1> guarranteed uptime..
[20:12] <roasted> All I use is Linux, because it does the best job for me.
[20:12] <jelly1> lol ups on raspberrypi
[20:12] <viric> you start that way, and end up buying a macintosh phone
[20:12] <jelly1> so
[20:12] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: It says 6.5 days @ 6 watts, but when I make it 0 watts it still says 6.5 days, so I think that's the max it can count.
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[20:12] <Torikun> I have a macbook and iphone 5 lol
[20:12] <TAFB> I may unplug it and test actual runtime one day
[20:12] <roasted> viric: yeah, no. Completely incorrect.
[20:13] <CelticTurnip> roasted: screw that, I have an OpenBSD box I use for mail/web serving... virtual domains, etc... set it up, sell of some domains to your friends to cover web costs :)
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[20:13] <roasted> CelticTurnip: email just isn't something I care enough about to set up my own server for.
[20:13] <CelticTurnip> roasted: so when you say you thought about it, you didn't actually? :P
[20:14] <TAFB> jelly1: I moved a monster 1200watt server onto the Pi (web and e-mail mostly), and just re-used it's battery backup. Gonna save me some serious money on my electricity bill :)
[20:14] <roasted> CelticTurnip: I thought about it so I could have my own unique email address, yeah.
[20:14] <jelly1> TAFB: lol
[20:14] <roasted> CelticTurnip: but then I thought about all of the crap I get in my email. I'd rather it be on somebody else's server.
[20:14] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: I have a 1 wat SBC hooked up to a UPS here, it's some small APC but it gets like 800 hours of backup :)
[20:14] <jelly1> you can have your own email with google too ;)
[20:14] <jelly1> aka googleapps
[20:14] <roasted> jelly1: I do with one account for side work.
[20:15] <CelticTurnip> roasted: I actually don't get any spam at all now, having control over the server gives you ... well ... a lot more control
[20:15] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: nice! lol. overkill, that's how I like to do it ;)
[20:15] <roasted> CelticTurnip: I don't deny that.
[20:15] <roasted> CelticTurnip: it's just not something that I cared enough about to do. Unless it's something I can do with a matter of two commands, that is.
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[20:15] <CelticTurnip> roasted: with the projects on git out there at the moment 2 or 3 commands wouldn't unheard of )
[20:16] <roasted> CelticTurnip: whatw ould you recommend?
[20:16] <CelticTurnip> if you want something easy OpenBSD + mailserv (mailserv.github.com)
[20:17] <CelticTurnip> that's literally install OpenBSD, install git, pull mailserv from github... configure
[20:17] <roasted> something for Raspbian, if anything
[20:17] <Armand> Huuummmm... e-mail server..
[20:17] <TAFB> roasted: If you want an easy setup of mail server on Wheezy check out this guide for Citadel :) http://ducky-pond.com/posts/9/
[20:17] <CelticTurnip> I'd never run an email server on a Pi, I'd want RAID :)
[20:17] <TAFB> Celtic: I have raid on my Pi :)
[20:17] <Armand> I think I should have an e-mail server for my website.
[20:18] <roasted> TAFB: RAID over USB?
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[20:18] <TAFB> roasted: Yep, Drobo, from the old server, performance is awesome
[20:18] <roasted> TAFB: mirror?
[20:18] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: yeah I'd never do that :)
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[20:18] <TAFB> roasted: Raid 1+0 but because no performance advantange on Pi will switch to raid 5 :)
[20:18] <roasted> yeah - I broke apartmy RAID array for use with the Pi.
[20:19] <Torikun> roasted: what kind of array
[20:19] <Torikun> how connected to pi
[20:19] <roasted> 1
[20:19] <Torikun> usb?
[20:19] <TAFB> yep
[20:19] <roasted> I had RAID in my server, not the Pi
[20:19] <roasted> my quad core beefy server.
[20:19] <roasted> I split that RAID up and just run two straight EXT4 500GB drives in the Pi
[20:19] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: I use 4x enterprise SATA drives in RAID 1... using OpenBSD softraid, performance is great, but more importantly box falls over move 1 or more drives to a new machine and continue on
[20:19] <roasted> I didn't want any RAID issues to take down both drives, whcih in some cases is still a lingering risk.
[20:19] <roasted> This way if one drive dies, it's just that drive that dies.
[20:19] <jelly1> just buy multiple raspberrypi's
[20:20] <jelly1> duh
[20:20] <jelly1> and a load balacing pi
[20:20] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: The drobo box is seamless, has all the raid hardware in it, no load on the Pi, performance is great, I can pull out two of the five drives and the Pi doesn't even hiccup, it'll auto rebuild when I put em back in :)
[20:20] <roasted> plus it provides me with some degree of backups. "Oh crap I didn'tmean to delete that file!" Well the sync only happens once a day at 2am, so I can retrieve it easily until 2am where the sync would overwrite it
[20:21] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: I work with server hardware everyday if I can I never use hardware RAID, what if the controller dies? :)
[20:21] <roasted> Have to agree there...
[20:21] <CelticTurnip> at home and if you're mucking around I guess it doesn't matter... but for me if a database goes down we're screwed :)
[20:21] <jelly1> run multiple db servers
[20:21] <jelly1> lolol
[20:22] <CelticTurnip> which we do (obviously)
[20:22] <roasted> I've had controllers die at work. Makes for a long day. Software is <3.
[20:22] <CelticTurnip> roasted: yeah it hurts - a lot :)
[20:23] <CelticTurnip> speaking of work... time to leave and go there :(
[20:23] <CelticTurnip> have fun guys
[20:23] <Torikun> you guys use VCS?
[20:23] <TAFB> will do
[20:23] <TAFB> will take pics of my new case for you ;)
[20:24] <jelly1> Torikun: git pl0x
[20:24] <jelly1> err i just read cvs :P
[20:24] <Torikun> lol
[20:24] <jelly1> since we were talking about openbsd :p
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[20:26] <roasted> TAFB: howmany drives can the drobo support?
[20:26] <TAFB> they have a lot of models, mine is 5
[20:27] <roasted> but, it IShardware raid, right?
[20:27] <TAFB> i think the drobo prolly runs linux
[20:27] <TAFB> so dunno
[20:27] <TAFB> it does raid without having to do anything on the Pi
[20:27] <Armand> Oh carp.. I need another SATA drive. >_<
[20:27] <TAFB> just sees it as one drive ;)
[20:28] <roasted> TAFB: that's pretty snazzy. I suppose due to the limitations of the Pi, you don't see any greater performance using RAID than what you would with a regular hdd?
[20:28] <jelly1> lol
[20:28] <jelly1> roasted: prolly not
[20:29] <Torikun> I would not expect any performance from teh PI
[20:29] <TAFB> nope
[20:29] <TAFB> I was running raid stripe + mirror, normally I get smokin performance, I get like 18mb/sec write on the Pi, lol
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> random read performance may get better for small block read
[20:29] <roasted> TAFB: I waso nly getting like 5mb/s on mine.
[20:29] <roasted> TAFB: syncing from one drive toanother over usb
[20:29] <TAFB> roasted: yikes! lol
[20:29] <TAFB> ext4?
[20:30] <jelly1> i get 20mb/s
[20:30] <roasted> TAFB: that said, they're tons of small files, so
[20:30] <roasted> I notice whenever I transfer a bigger file the speed increases, and increases, etc.
[20:30] <roasted> yeah both are ext4
[20:30] <TAFB> yeah, small files suck :)
[20:30] <roasted> but yeah I haven't seen 20MB/s. I see that on my desktop, but absolutely not on my Pi...
[20:30] <roasted> that bieng said, I haven't ever seen it go above 5 MB/s, even if I'm transferring a4GB file.
[20:31] <roasted> but it'll range into the high end of kb/s up to about 3 MB/s, depending on the file size
[20:31] <roasted> jelly1: when you're getting 20MB/s, I assume that's from 1 USB drive to another?
[20:33] <roasted> did I disconnect, or is this dead silence?
[20:34] <TAFB> lol, sorry, have to run to the bank and pay for more Pi accessories
[20:34] <roasted> lol
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[20:36] <jelly1> roasted: no oh sd card
[20:36] <roasted> jelly1: oh, I thought you were talking USB drives
[20:36] <jelly1> nop
[20:36] <roasted> yeah with transferring to SD card I get faster speeds too
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[20:37] <jelly1> ugh how do these freaking SD card class work
[20:37] <roasted> Unless I can plug in a 3TB SD card with wicked crazy speeds I'm not sure I'll be able to utilize the SD card for primary storage
[20:37] <TAFB> jelly1: the "class" is a speed rating for sequential write speeds (think digital camera picture, gopro, etc.)
[20:38] <jelly1> TAFB: yeah hmm
[20:38] <TAFB> in the Pi, that is never the case. The Pi floods the card with random read/write of non-sequential files. Some cards SUCK for this, some are awesome (including some old class 4 cards).
[20:38] <jelly1> roasted: buy a pandaboard :p
[20:38] <Torikun> Just use SD for the OS and usb for storage
[20:38] <roasted> jelly1: pandaboard...
[20:38] <TAFB> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-sd-cards/IOMeter-2008.08.18,2708.html
[20:38] <jelly1> doesnt that one have sata
[20:38] <jelly1> i just need a 4GB card for raspbmc :P
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[20:39] <TAFB> that test shows random i/o performance. The first card I used in my Pi is at the very very bottom of the list, Patriot LX 32gb class 10 :(
[20:39] <TAFB> you can see my new card is 2nd from the best, just RIPS in the Pi :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
[20:39] <roasted> jelly1: what is this? A faster big brother to the Pi?
[20:39] <jelly1> roasted: no
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[20:39] <jelly1> roasted: a whole different ARM board
[20:40] <roasted> jelly1: I wonder what it's power consumptioni s
[20:40] <roasted> 161 dollars, they're crazy
[20:40] <Torikun> how come arm needs a /boot/config.txt?
[20:40] <Torikun> is that raspberry pi only?
[20:41] <roasted> jelly1: that's a sweet iea, but I could probably get a used atom based nettop for that...
[20:41] <roasted> half that*
[20:42] <jelly1> roasted: prolly so much dollars because of licenses
[20:42] <jelly1> Torikun: its evil broadcom
[20:42] <roasted> licenses?
[20:42] <roasted> what is there to license?
[20:42] <jelly1> roasted: video codecs.
[20:43] <roasted> stupid codecs
[20:43] <roasted> such a scam
[20:43] <jelly1> sure
[20:43] * jelly1 still hates that he can't decode mjpeg
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[20:45] <roasted> The U2 is an ultra-compact offering, smaller than the RaspberryPi, starting at $69, featuring 2GB of RAM, 100Mbps Ethernet, 2 x USB 2.0 connections and an audio codec with headphone and microphone jacks.
[20:45] <roasted> sounds snazzy
[20:46] <roasted> I wonder how it comapres in real world applications.
[20:46] <roasted> The specs on paper sure pwn it, despite x2 the price.
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[20:48] <jelly1> the Pi's GPU is awesome, but you can't really use it \o/
[20:48] <Torikun> lolo
[20:48] <Torikun> so t sucks
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[20:48] <jelly1> atleast you can use opengl now btw
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[20:49] <martk100> I can not wpa_gui to see wlan0. Wlan0 is working ok.
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[20:50] <pksato> my another crap video, how to power rpi using a atx psu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgFh6yLe6Os
[20:50] <TAFB> ATX PSU = good power to pi
[20:51] <TAFB> 5VSB ;) *puke*, go full 30 amps or go home ;)
[20:51] <jelly1> o.o
[20:51] <TAFB> what's with transistor and resistor?
[20:51] <pksato> to power 30A
[20:52] <roasted> hm, I guess some of these rpi competitors I'm reading about aren't all thatamazing once you factor in price. Sure, quad core exynos chip on the U2 is all well and good, but with 30 bucks shipping it's 130 bones.
[20:52] <TAFB> just short the green way to the gray wire and it'll fire up the power supply and do regulation
[20:52] <TAFB> the green wire to the gray wire
[20:53] <TAFB> 5vsb is powered even if power supply isn't turned on i.e. fans running?
[20:54] <pksato> yes.
[20:54] <TAFB> never new that :) handy :)
[20:54] <plugwash> 5VSB is powered whenever the power supply is plugged in, so his setup allows the Pi to run all the time and then turn on and off the main part of the power supply which can be feeding something more power hungry
[20:55] <Mathias> why not just power it with lego?
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[20:55] <Armand> Hamster-powered lego wheel generator!
[20:56] <TAFB> 2amps should be sufficient to feed the Pi plus any Pi related USB accessories, but good idea if you need to fire up anything 12v :) sweet.
[20:57] <Mathias> and for some reason, the rpi fits exactly (about 0,1 mm gap somewhere) with lego :o
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[20:58] <pksato> this show rpi lighting a 12V bulb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdpY8GT-_c
[20:58] <Torikun> Google Maps now for IOS devices. Includes Navigation!
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[20:59] <TAFB> took them long enough, lol
[20:59] <JohnRambozo> torikun: there was a big issue with apple and google. apple was going to abandon google and make their own maps app.
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[21:00] <JohnRambozo> it didn't work out, I guess. so now they let google back in.
[21:00] <tbnorth> hi all - was hoping to install ushare on wheezy, but it doesn't seem to be in the repos.?
[21:00] <steve_rox> they failed
[21:00] <JohnRambozo> yep
[21:00] <steve_rox> big time
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[21:00] <Torikun> Shocking JohnRambozo that google finally gave IOS turn-by-turn navigation
[21:00] <steve_rox> they supposibly fired their mapping department for apple
[21:01] <JohnRambozo> it was apple that didn't want google having it on their phones.
[21:01] <roasted> lol apple
[21:01] <JohnRambozo> google wants to be their map provider.
[21:01] <Torikun> Google had it for years
[21:01] <roasted> I want them to die so badly
[21:01] <JohnRambozo> apple was too proud.
[21:01] <steve_rox> and foolish
[21:01] <JohnRambozo> also, there was some contract that came up for renewal this year with google and apple didn't want to renew it.
[21:02] <Torikun> ah
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[21:02] <JohnRambozo> thats why the youtube app doesn't ship with ios anymore.
[21:02] <JohnRambozo> but its in the store, so whats the difference?
[21:02] <Torikun> yeah
[21:02] <roasted> they need to die :<
[21:02] <JohnRambozo> who needs to die? apple or google? or both?
[21:02] <roasted> apple
[21:02] <steve_rox> apple
[21:02] <Torikun> Google shold stop buying macbooks at their campus now lol
[21:03] <Torikun> use linux only
[21:03] <Joeboy> both
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[21:03] <pksato> Big corporations dont like to share the world.
[21:03] <JohnRambozo> yeah. my wife is an apple fan. she keeps theatening to buy me an iphone to replace my google phone.
[21:04] <JohnRambozo> *threatening
[21:04] <steve_rox> i become tired of apple and its sue the hell out of everyone attitude
[21:04] <JohnRambozo> so I threaten her with violence.
[21:04] <Torikun> I moved frm Android to iphone 5 lol
[21:04] <Torikun> best move ever
[21:04] <Armand> ?_?
[21:04] <Torikun> and sold my linux laptop for a macbook pro lol, best decision ever
[21:04] <steve_rox> surprised no ones tryed to sue the pi foundation for something yet
[21:04] <JohnRambozo> yeah, did you hear about how it prompted the patent records authority to review the validity of apple's patents?
[21:04] <Torikun> lol
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[21:05] <JohnRambozo> apple had a patent on 'rubberbanding' in their gui.
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[21:05] <Armand> They don't carry *any* valid patents, as far as I can see.
[21:05] <steve_rox> they wanted to patient the term "app" ;-)
[21:05] <Armand> Except that shitty networking thing.
[21:05] <Torikun> ?
[21:06] <roasted> android toiphone5?
[21:06] <Torikun> bonjour?
[21:06] <roasted> are you for serious?
[21:06] <Armand> No... back in the days of the Classic.
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[21:06] <Torikun> appletalk?
[21:07] <Armand> Yes, that's it.. I just found it. :P
[21:07] <JohnRambozo> rubberbanding is when you swipe sideways and there is no more info and it looks like it bounces.
[21:07] <JohnRambozo> how the hell do you patent that?
[21:08] <JohnRambozo> sorry for the language.
[21:08] <JohnRambozo> but seriously.
[21:08] <JohnRambozo> who has the patent on a cursor?
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[21:08] <steve_rox> patienting things is a lot like laying landmines , lay em down and see how much money ya win
[21:09] <JohnRambozo> basically.
[21:09] <JohnRambozo> apple was just mad because they dipped behind android in sales.
[21:09] <steve_rox> they dont go bang they go cha-ching
[21:09] <mrmoney2012> do Premier Farnell use a courier company called APC to deliver Pi in the UK ?
[21:09] <JohnRambozo> haha
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[21:10] <plugwash> don't think so, afaict they use either first class post or UPS depending on the size and value of the order and what mood they are in
[21:10] <roasted> this cubieboard looks interesting....
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[21:11] <roasted> looks significantly higher spec'd than the pi
[21:11] <roasted> I bet it has independent usb host controllers too <_<
[21:11] <axion> pi is pretty low end
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[21:11] <roasted> its VERY low end
[21:11] <steve_rox> anyone know of any legality issues on that rpi FM radio?
[21:11] <axion> theres like a hundred that are smaller/better now
[21:11] <axion> i like the mk808
[21:11] <roasted> axion: any others available?
[21:11] <TAFB> steve_rox: only if you connect a 10 watt amp and take over a local radio station
[21:11] <steve_rox> hahahaha
[21:12] <steve_rox> :-D
[21:12] <TAFB> steve_rox: what country you live in?
[21:12] <steve_rox> but the legal info in the uk is sketchy
[21:12] * plugwash is considering getting the cubieboard's big brother
[21:12] <roasted> axion: only 1 usb port on that 808
[21:12] <roasted> plugwash: what's that?
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[21:12] <roasted> axion: any others out? All I'm finding is the beagleboard that's out, and dozens of "preorder" competitors.Nothing thats OUT now.
[21:13] <TAFB> uk? oh. no idea. Here we have the FCC and CRTC which control what frequencies and power we are allowed to broadcast on or at least "interfere with".
[21:13] <plugwash> sorry I was getting the cubieboard mixed up with another board
[21:13] <axion> no there are 2, and the ss808 has 3
[21:13] <plugwash> too many different boards out there
[21:13] <axion> roasted: $50, dual core 1.6ghz, quad core gpu capable of 2160p playback (or realtime transcoding). capable of emulating N64 flawlessly
[21:13] <mrmoney2012> this tip - 1. ???sudo sync??? to make sure all files are written to SD card. <--- why would you want to do this ?
[21:13] <roasted> axion: what's that, the ss808?
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[21:13] <plugwash> the board i'm looking at is not actually related to the cubieboard
[21:13] <steve_rox> waiting to see someone dev that radio code into a bigger better prog
[21:13] <axion> both are the same chip
[21:13] <axion> mk and ss
[21:13] <roasted> I see
[21:13] <plugwash> http://www.howchip.com/shop/content.php?co_id=ArndaleBoard_en <-- that's the board i'm looking at
[21:14] <roasted> axion: it looks like its USB ports are 1mini for power, 1 mini for usb, and 1 regular sized.
[21:14] <roasted> I washoping for two regular sized.
[21:15] <axion> you'll need a powered hub anyway for anymore draw than the 1 port
[21:16] <roasted> axion: my external hdd's have their own power. I just need two full size USB ports for the data.
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[21:17] <axion> that is not its use case
[21:18] <roasted> k, well, that'd be my use case for it. Guess it's meant for HTPC usage only?
[21:18] <axion> the ss808 has 2 full sized and 1 otg
[21:18] <axion> the mk808 has 1 and 1
[21:18] <roasted> ah
[21:18] <axion> and how hard is it to get a $1.99 squid 7-port hub on amazon?
[21:19] <axion> assuming your externals do not consume more than 1 or 2 unit loads
[21:19] <roasted> I suppose I could, but I'd rathernot have extra stuff in the mix if I can avoid it.
[21:19] <TAFB> squid are tastey
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[21:19] <roasted> the ss808 looks pretty interesting to say the least
[21:20] <axion> its designed to be powered from a tv's usb port...a smart tv addon if you will
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[21:20] <axion> having more than 1 unit load of usb devices running off of that in additoon to itself is asking for trouble without a powered hub
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[21:21] <TAFB> i run 3amps out of my USB ports on my Pi :) MOAR POWA!
[21:21] <Mathias> just 3? :o
[21:21] <TAFB> I can do 6.5amps, but only back powering, and at that load, the USB cables melt ;)
[21:21] <roasted> axion: I'mnot sure how my USB devices would draw any additional load. They have their own AC adapters.
[21:21] <Mathias> with hamsters you would have unlimited!
[21:22] <axion> roasted: they still need power going to the pi. how many unit loads you will have to find out
[21:22] <axion> err 808
[21:22] <TAFB> 808 is a remix group :)
[21:22] <TAFB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4_9LiHQd5c
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[21:23] <roasted> all I'm seeing is android for the 808. Curious if you can do a headless linux variant on it.
[21:23] <axion> sure
[21:23] <axion> there is a rk3066 kernel around the interwebz
[21:23] <roasted> I wonder if that's even worth exploring. I can only assume the R-Pi will be updating its fleet soon enough.
[21:23] <axion> but no x aceleration on any of these arm mini pcs
[21:23] <axion> yet
[21:24] <axion> android is the way to go
[21:24] <roasted> that's great for an actualHTPC, but for what I'd use it for (file server, etc) I'm not sure Android would really be optimal.
[21:24] <roasted> I'd much rather have a headless linux distro so I can set up a personal web server etc
[21:24] <axion> no but with that said you do not need X then
[21:24] <axion> so go for arch/ubuntu/whatnot
[21:24] <roasted> yeah, true
[21:25] <roasted> I'm beginning to wonder if I should grab one for our HTPC, because our HTPC is pretty noisy (full size desktop, soem sort of Intel Dual Core chip, GT430 graphics card, etc)
[21:25] <axion> roasted: just get an n6x :)
[21:25] <roasted> and then maybe wait to see what new stuff comes from the R-Pi community and upgrade if necessary
[21:25] <roasted> not familiar with an n6x *googles*
[21:25] <axion> roasted: http://boundarydevices.com/products/nitrogen6x-board-imx6-arm-cortex-a9-sbc/
[21:26] <roasted> looks nice, but for the price I'd have to pass.
[21:26] <roasted> The only reason I would upgrade my R-Pi is to have faster USB performance when syncing drives, so that way it's not really a shared bus.
[21:26] <AndrevS> roasted, I am running ArchLinuxARM on my pi as NFS server.
[21:26] <roasted> But I WOULD like to get a nicer gizmo for the HTPC.
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[21:26] <axion> only one suitable for a file server i know about with gigabit ethernet, sata, pcie, etc
[21:27] <roasted> so I kind of have two separate agendas which will likely suggest two different products.
[21:27] <axion> i have not seen any other micro arm boards with gigabit
[21:27] <roasted> axion: gigabit is surely nice
[21:27] <axion> that alone is worth it imo
[21:27] <roasted> axion: how many SATA ports?
[21:28] <axion> pretty sure just 1. if you want a lot of sata ports the goflex device is nice
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[21:28] <axion> but its not tiny...obviously
[21:28] <roasted> It really doesn't matter, though having 2 SATA would be nice over having two USB drives.
[21:28] <roasted> I'm not sure I'd overly benefit from gigabit on USB drives though.
[21:29] <axion> roasted: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-goflex-net
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[21:29] <roasted> because of that I've kind of been more accepting of 100MB, plus the fact that I don't have a monumental amount of data accumulating each day. Daily syncing, even if I were to magically load up 40GB on my system isn't too bad to sync over 100Mb.
[21:29] <axion> wow it has gigabit
[21:29] <axion> nice
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[21:29] <roasted> Especially when you consider the Pi's are just sitting there otherwise
[21:30] <axion> goflex net ftw
[21:30] <roasted> I can't say Seagate really appeals tome....
[21:30] <axion> i think thats what you want
[21:30] <roasted> I'm RMAing my 4th drive from them in a year's time.
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[21:30] <roasted> good thing I got the 5 year warranty on it. All of their new drives are only warrantied for 1 year
[21:30] <axion> archlinux arm devs praise it all the time in the channel too
[21:30] <axion> not a bad device
[21:31] <axion> kirkwoods are really nice processors
[21:32] <axion> with good linux support
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[21:32] <roasted__> lost connection, grr...
[21:32] <axion> its not a hard drive. its a kirkwood cpu powered arm computer
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[21:34] <ackthet> a cpu powered computer?!
[21:34] <ackthet> i want one of those :(
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[21:35] <Torikun> anyone use omxplayer-git for Arch?
[21:35] <viric> 128MB of ram? umh no.
[21:35] <axion> kirkwood cpu
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[21:36] <axion> its meant for a nas
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[21:37] <axion> you gonna run kde on a nas lol?
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[21:37] <axion> 50 is too much
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[21:37] <ackthet> you run an ARM NAS?
[21:37] <ackthet> must be fayst
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[21:38] <axion> uhh most consumer NAS are arm or mips
[21:39] <axion> i like both...they saturate a gigabit line
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[21:51] <Torikun> Too many netplsits today lol
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[22:05] <advisor> i have noticed the memory split can be freely allocated now
[22:06] <advisor> let's suppose i set the video split to 0 because the box is running headless
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[22:06] <advisor> will i still be able to x forward stuff
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[22:06] <advisor> and/or use vnc?
[22:06] <axion> you cannot set the split to 0
[22:07] <advisor> what is the minimum, still 16mb?
[22:07] <roasted__> axion: pardon, got swamped for a minute there. I think I might have missed what you were saying about the go flex when I lost connection. Were you just saying they were a solid design or whatever?
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[22:08] <axion> roasted__: i said its not a hard drive and a very good device. the arch linux arm devs praise it too.
[22:09] <axion> it uses a kirkwood cpu which has awesome linux support
[22:09] <roasted__> axion: ahhh, I see. Yeah that would hcange things a bit.
[22:09] <axion> gigabit ethernet and 2 sata
[22:09] <roasted__> Seagate just left me a little salty towards them after the continual failures I've had with their drives.
[22:09] <roasted__> But other gear I'd be open to.
[22:10] <mrmoney2012> how do i specify the default sound device - this works but i have to put it on the end of each splay command -D sysdefault:CARD=Device
[22:10] <roasted__> As I said though, I might just wait to see what R-Pi comes out with next. Surely they don't think they can run on a 700mhz 256mb RAM chip indefinitely. It might be worth waiting a while to see how they work, especially considering the Pi works relatively good for what I need, even on 100MB with shared USB NIC bus.
[22:10] <mrmoney2012> splay = aplay
[22:10] <axion> amixer
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[22:10] <mrmoney2012> i want it to survive reboots ?
[22:11] <axion> yes
[22:11] <axion> alsactl store
[22:11] <roasted__> I would always be open to more speed though, especially if it's a matter of 40 bucks and bam - new chip in your hands with independent NIC/BUS channels and gigabit ethernet or something wild like that. But as it stands, it seems to work well as is.
[22:11] <mrmoney2012> anyway mixer gives me ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Access denied
[22:11] <mrmoney2012> alsactl: save_state:1608: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing: Permission denied
[22:12] <axion> im not sure. my alsa is compiled without pulseaudio support.
[22:12] <axion> are you in the audio group?
[22:12] <mrmoney2012> yes ??? pi adm dialout cdrom sudo audio video plugdev games users netdev input
[22:13] <axion> so you probably dont have a state file
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[22:13] <axion> verify it exists at that path
[22:13] <mrmoney2012> well this works aplay somewav.wav -D sysdefault:CARD=Device
[22:13] <axion> is /var/lib/alsa/asound.state a file?
[22:14] <mrmoney2012> .. /var/lib/alsa/asound.state: ASCII text
[22:14] <pksato> pulseaudio take control over audio devices.
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[22:15] <mrmoney2012> so i need to tell pulse to use sysdefault:CARD=Device ?
[22:15] <axion> mrmoney2012: alsactl store needs to be run as root
[22:15] <mrmoney2012> i did, it didn't do anything
[22:15] <axion> and alsactl restore called as root in your distro's init system
[22:15] <pksato> or... need to start user session of pulseaudio.
[22:16] <axion> sounds like an evil debianism
[22:16] <pksato> I never used pulseaudio. disistaled it from my raspbian.
[22:17] <mrmoney2012> no clue what to do...
[22:17] <mrmoney2012> i tried ??? sudo alsactl store -D sysdefault:CARD=Device
[22:17] <mrmoney2012> alsactl: invalid option -- 'D'
[22:18] <Toothpick> anyone having experience with raspberry pi and gentoo here?
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[22:19] <pksato> mrmoney2012: it can be set on .asoundrc
[22:19] <axion> do you actually have pulseaudio installed and running?
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[22:20] <axion> seems like your distro is forcing it down your throat. id recompile alsa :)
[22:20] <mrmoney2012> pulse 1988 1 0 20:21 ? 00:00:01 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --disallow-exit --disallow-module-loading=1 --daemonize --log-target=syslog --high-priority
[22:20] <mrmoney2012> what should .asoundrc look like to specify sysdefault:CARD=Device as the default
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[22:21] <axion> pulseaudio is the cause of many issues and is not even needed, and certainly not recommended on a pi
[22:21] <axion> no clue
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[22:21] <axion> i dont set it per user
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[22:21] <pksato> mrmoney2012: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=24642
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[22:23] <mrmoney2012> thanks - did that already i set PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=1
[22:23] <axion> i assume you loaded the bcm2835 and ran the amixer cset command on the forums as root
[22:23] <mrmoney2012> usb sound card
[22:24] <mrmoney2012> popping and crackle on the audio jack - can't stand it
[22:24] <mrmoney2012> it's clear on the usb (3 quid flea-bay job)
[22:24] <axion> decreasing the audio buffer eliminates it
[22:24] <axion> for me
[22:24] <mrmoney2012> i removed the bcm2835 module
[22:24] <Joeboy> I think there was a firmware update that fixed some audio issues
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[22:46] <lodenrogue> hey guys
[22:47] <nickgaw> Hi, What image for the raspberrypi exists that contains everything that the raspbian images contain but with out X windows?
[22:47] <lodenrogue> is it possible to boot from a USB? Also, is it possible to have a USB as the storage device instead of the SD card?
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[22:47] <axion> lodenrogue: no
[22:47] <axion> to the first
[22:47] <axion> yes to the second
[22:48] <lodenrogue> thank you axion
[22:48] <nickgaw> or can the X windows system be uninstalled very easiley?
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[22:48] <shiftplusone> lodenrogue, you can have your root filesystem on the sd as well
[22:48] <lodenrogue> can i have the root on the USB?
[22:49] <axion> lodenrogue: edit /boot/cmdline.txt to point to the desired device
[22:49] <shiftplusone> only your kernel, the config and firmware have to be on the sdcard
[22:49] <lodenrogue> thanks
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[22:49] <shiftplusone> I am sure there's a way to use a bootloader to load a kernel from usb as well
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[22:49] <shiftplusone> But I don't know what u-boot currently supports.
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[22:52] <echelon> ok, i used a split Y microusb cable to use with the lapdock
[22:52] <echelon> the rpi powers up and everything
[22:52] <echelon> but keyboard doesn't work
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[22:53] <echelon> it actually worked one morning
[22:53] <echelon> but it stopped working again
[22:53] <echelon> what's the deal
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[23:19] <echelon> | PiBot .+[SLB]
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[23:19] <echelon> oops
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[23:40] <Hopsy> hey my microssd from 16gb shrinked to 94mb, how do I fix this?
[23:41] <shiftplusone> O_o
[23:41] <shiftplusone> I don't think they just 'shrink' over time.
[23:41] <shiftplusone> Are you sure you're not just looking at a partition?
[23:42] <shiftplusone> /dev/mmcblk0p1 rather than mmcblk0, for example?
[23:42] <Hopsy> yeah
[23:42] <shiftplusone> Are you on windows?
[23:42] <Hopsy> yes
[23:42] <shiftplusone> It's not good for you.
[23:42] <Hopsy> ow hold on
[23:42] <shiftplusone> Someone posted the same problem earlier
[23:42] <shiftplusone> it magically started working
[23:42] <Hopsy> disk manager
[23:42] <artag> perhaps just seeing the boot partition ?
[23:43] <Hopsy> shows partitions
[23:43] <Hopsy> I see
[23:43] <shiftplusone> The tool he is using doesn't show partitions
[23:43] <shiftplusone> it's just a dodgy windows tool as far as I can tell
[23:43] <Hopsy> 13.07 is unallovated
[23:43] <Hopsy> but how do I fix this?
[23:44] <shiftplusone> Same way you fix anything on windows. Reboot, unplug, plug back in, hold your tongue at the right angle and wait until it somehow works.
[23:44] <shiftplusone> (Or try a different to write the disk image)
[23:45] <shiftplusone> *different tool
[23:45] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/69d4b3fbbc7c8ec75f2cd0ee7e10f873.png?1355438659
[23:45] <shiftplusone> that looks right
[23:45] <shiftplusone> what's the problem?
[23:45] <Hopsy> I want to get back my 16gb :p
[23:46] <Hopsy> and format it
[23:46] <Hopsy> Can I run fedora on raspberrypi?
[23:46] <TAFB> Hopsy: not possible with the windows util.
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[23:47] <Hopsy> but can I run fedora on raspberrypi?
[23:47] <linuxstb> TAFB: Why not? Windows doesn't have a tool to partition/format disks?
[23:47] <TAFB> linuxstb: Not on SD, won't let you make changes to the partition table :)
[23:47] <linuxstb> TAFB: Great ;)
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[23:48] <TAFB> Hopsy: I had to download a program called gparted, bootable cd/USB, then it was able to clear the SD card, and I could partition and format to full capacity with Windows ;)
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[23:48] <JohnRambozo> windows does have a tool...
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[23:48] <TAFB> John: which one? Computer Management can't do it.
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[23:50] <TAFB> brb. trying berryboot on my new *fastest on earth* SD card. brb.
[23:50] <JohnRambozo> hold on tafb.
[23:51] <TAFB> lemme try it Johnn!
[23:51] <TAFB> i'll just be across the room
[23:51] <TAFB> brb
[23:51] <scummos^> get a gparded live cd
[23:51] <scummos^> you'll be happy to have it for years
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[23:52] <TAFB> scummos^: I use it so much, it's not funny
[23:52] <JohnRambozo> windows 7 has a new disk management system for managing partitions.
[23:52] <linuxstb> Hopsy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[23:52] <TAFB> John: Sweet, show me where :)
[23:52] <TAFB> OMFG! WOOT! BerryBoot works on my new SD! YAY!
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[23:52] <JohnRambozo> woot!
[23:52] <JohnRambozo> awesome
[23:52] <TAFB> wonder why it doesn't work on my other three cards, lol
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[23:53] <TAFB> the guy at the store I bought it from put it in his computer and "flagged it bootable", then he said berry boot would work perfect as long as I didn't format! lol
[23:53] <TAFB> seems to have done the trick.
[23:53] <JohnRambozo> i think its called diskpart.
[23:53] <JohnRambozo> type it in the search.
[23:53] <JohnRambozo> i'm not sure it has a listing in any menu.
[23:54] <TAFB> John: ohhhhhhh fancy
[23:54] <JohnRambozo> its a command line interface too.
[23:54] <JohnRambozo> you have to list disks
[23:54] <linuxstb> The Pi doesn't care about the bootable flag in my experience.
[23:54] <JohnRambozo> or just list
[23:54] <TAFB> "list disk"
[23:54] <JohnRambozo> and select disk #
[23:54] <TAFB> select disk 7
[23:54] <JohnRambozo> delete partition #
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> or whatever youw ant to do.
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> then you can reformat it.
[23:55] <TAFB> WOW! IT WORKS!
[23:55] <TAFB> lol
[23:55] <TAFB> John, you are awesome
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> welcome.
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> and thanks.
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> now good luck trying to format it. ;)
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> I had to use the downloaded sd card formatter.
[23:55] <TAFB> could be real easy to totally mess up your puter with this tool i bet
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> yes, its very easy to destroy it.
[23:55] <rikkib> Busy day today... Get ready to take equipment to two remote location... A camera and stand alone RPi for testing
[23:55] <JohnRambozo> I would guess thats'w hy its not on the list of availale tools.
[23:56] <scummos^> yeah be a bit careful with gparted and similar
[23:56] <JohnRambozo> i'm out. later
[23:56] <TAFB> John: How did you format it? After I cleared it with diskpart it doesn't even have a drive letter any more! lol
[23:56] <TAFB> JOHN! NOP
[23:57] <TAFB> John: Write a WiKi "how to recycle your old Pi sd card back to full capacity on windows" DO IT! :)
[23:57] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ Moving this unit and camera to inside the house in a minute for a "move me to another location test", other than my workbench, before I do the actual installation.
[23:58] <TAFB> good luck rikkib
[23:58] <rikkib> Yeh... A lot depends on these two proof of concept jobs
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[23:59] <TAFB> I'm doing a proof of concept for camera streaming in three days, and I haven't even started on the project, lol :)
[23:59] <rikkib> Cam is going in a big factory at the largest PC recycle company here in NZ
[23:59] <TAFB> nice

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