#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-18

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[0:01] <gordonDrogon> right. video is fine - let my client know!
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> wish I could share it with you, maybe soon :)
[0:01] <pksato> http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Large-LED-Lit-7-Segment-Display/
[0:01] <Mensch-Maschine> Ok, thanks for the help. I???ll start from that point, then come back when I have plenty other questions (such as ???I need this pin for two things ??? how does that work???), but for now on two my second (much simpler) project.
[0:03] <Mensch-Maschine> pksato: My eyesight is not *that* bad. I just can read without my glasses.
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[0:04] <pksato> bright and big http://blog.makezine.com/2007/09/27/sevensegment-big-led-disp/
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[0:05] <pksato> led matrix https://www.adafruit.com/category/37_88
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[0:06] <Mensch-Maschine> I???d like to make an network to stereo thingy, ?? la Airport extreme. You know, you plug it in your stereo, you stream music from your computer/phone/whatever. Do I really need a DAC?
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[0:07] <pksato> no. you need a sound card.
[0:07] <scummos> how many things do you want to do at once ;p
[0:07] <scummos> a sound card is a DAC ;)
[0:07] <pksato> sound cards have a DAC a ADC.
[0:08] <pksato> and, RPi have a DAC to sound output.
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[0:10] <rymate1234> .....why am I getting gnome
[0:10] <rymate1234> XD
[0:10] <Mensch-Maschine> scummos: I???ve somehow discovered the Pi only recently, have plenty of time on my hand and it sounds awfully fun, and I???m thinking: if I order, I should order everything at once to cut on delivery fees. I???m also thinking Arduino, if you really want to know.
[0:11] <scummos> for such projects you'll have to order five times anyways, so don't bother ;P
[0:12] <scummos> for anything non-trivial you'll have forgot something
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[0:13] <Mensch-Maschine> pksato: Ok, so why do I need a soundcard for that? Wouldn???t a DAC be sufficient?
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[0:17] <tanuva> my raspbmc doesn't shut down properly. showing a black screen (still turned on), some ACT-flickering, sshd is accepting connections, but no processes can execute; after entering the password, nothing happens. Is that a known issue?
[0:17] <pksato> DAC refers to a stand alone DAC chip.
[0:18] <pksato> sound cards have a DAC specialized on sound playback.
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[0:20] <mrhobbz> weee
[0:20] <Mensch-Maschine> That makes a lot of sense.
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[0:22] <pksato> I decide to send my rpi warranty to /dev/null, replacing polyfuses by ones that support high current.
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[0:25] <Mensch-Maschine> Thanks for the help, I???ll be looking around for 7-segment-display, possibly controllers, LEDS and sound cards. I will likely ask for some more help later (???I???ve soldered my hand to my head, what should I do????).
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[0:25] <robotjosh> does the pi store work?
[0:26] <plugwash> I haven't really tried it personally but last I checked it was creaking under the load
[0:27] <robotjosh> should the library tab be a white screen that changes itself back to the explore tab?
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[0:34] <TAFB> i see there's a new wheezy image out!!
[0:34] <TAFB> 2012-12-16!
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[0:35] <rymate1234> can't wait until accelerated Xorg
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[0:40] <pksato> ok, polyfuses raplaced, my rpi still works?
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[0:51] <megaproxy> there are so many projects i want to do
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[0:52] <atmosx> megaproxy: name a few
[0:53] <megaproxy> ok well.
[0:53] <atmosx> I'm working on a digital signage, I setup screenly, it's neat but I'd like to know if there's anything supporting channels there are a couple of secondary options
[0:53] <megaproxy> cluster, im thinking of 4 pi's to start
[0:53] <megaproxy> solar server
[0:53] <megaproxy> 1 or 2 pis for that
[0:53] <megaproxy> gps tracker for my car
[0:53] <megaproxy> journy tracking
[0:53] <megaproxy> car computer for music
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[0:55] <atmosx> what is a solar server?
[0:55] <atmosx> for gps tracker I'd use a bifferboard
[0:55] * OmNomDeBonBon is now known as MrBojangles
[0:55] <megaproxy> bifferboard?
[0:55] <atmosx> cluster of Pi's for what? computation?
[0:55] <atmosx> yeah I have one
[0:55] <megaproxy> and solar server, is just a server powered by a solar pannel
[0:56] <megaproxy> in atree or w.e
[0:56] <atmosx> that's neat.
[0:56] <megaproxy> local wifi with info on it
[0:56] <megaproxy> the cluster would be, mainly just to see what kinda power i get
[0:56] <megaproxy> then maybe a clustered hosting system
[0:56] <atmosx> so you'll need a recharge-able battery for that, right?
[0:56] <megaproxy> my boss set up a big cluster for webhosting, ill talk to him about it
[0:56] <megaproxy> yea. probably a motorbike battery
[0:56] <atmosx> megaproxy: I'm thinking of buying parallela for processing power
[0:56] <atmosx> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone
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[0:57] <atmosx> from password cracking to ruby computations, I do quite a lot of them lately
[0:57] <megaproxy> what is this biffer?
[0:57] <megaproxy> how would i make it a gps tracker
[0:57] <megaproxy> there are a few bitcoin asci miners
[0:57] <megaproxy> or w.e they call them. They would be good for pass cracking
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[0:57] <megaproxy> few ghs in a little device
[0:58] <megaproxy> asic*
[0:58] <megaproxy> https://www.btcfpga.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=58
[0:58] <megaproxy> 72ghs
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[1:03] <atmosx> megaproxy: that costs 1.000 USD, with 1.000 I can make a parallela cluster which goes up to??? 360 ghs (if the relantionship between cores/gpu and ghs is linear)
[1:04] <megaproxy> hahaha
[1:04] <megaproxy> nice
[1:04] <megaproxy> asic is still neat
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[1:04] <atmosx> sure
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[1:04] <atmosx> megaproxy: http://bifferos.co.uk/
[1:04] <atmosx> it's tiny little rdc
[1:05] <atmosx> https://sites.google.com/site/bifferboard/Home/howto/connect-to-usb-gps
[1:05] <megaproxy> would it just plot positions?
[1:05] <megaproxy> then i overlay on a map or something
[1:06] <atmosx> yes sure
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[1:08] <megaproxy> hmm
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[1:13] <adeeln> i'm having trouble getting my raspberry pi to stay stable once I've OC'ed it to around 900 mhz. I've been following the tested values on http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt ...i have the new model b 512 with samsung ram
[1:13] <adeeln> any suggestions?
[1:13] <TAFB> adeeln: Use my config.txt and she'll run stable at 1ghz: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[1:15] <adeeln> TAFB: what are you running? openelec? raspbmc?
[1:16] <TAFB> adeeln: Wheezy? with pancake, php and citadel?
[1:16] <pksato> adeeln: using a good PSU and a usb cable?
[1:16] <adeeln> pksato: yup; as far as i can tell
[1:16] <ParkerR_> Hola
[1:16] <adeeln> pksato: i mainly get sdcard corruption
[1:16] <TAFB> ok peeps, I connected a USB hard drive to my Pi. When it boots up I see /dev/sda scroll by, but when I run "mount" it only shows me my SD card stuff :( Is there a way I can tell if it's working? Should it be mounted automatically?
[1:17] <adeeln> i'm half debating setting this up over iscs
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[1:17] <adeeln> TAFB: can you paste the mount output?
[1:17] <TAFB> http://pastebin.com/t1GetNHw
[1:18] <adeeln> seems like it's not automounted
[1:18] <TAFB> yeah :(
[1:18] <adeeln> TAFB: try running 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /foo' where /foo is the mountpoint you want
[1:19] <TAFB> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[1:19] <adeeln> is the usb drive NTFS?
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[1:20] <adeeln> chances are it is, and there are no ntfs modules installed
[1:20] <TAFB> it shouldn't be. I can wipe out whatever is on it if that is easier. I wrote the wheezy image to it, and expanded the ext4 partition to the full size with gparted
[1:20] <adeeln> TAFB: pastebin fdisk -l /dev/sda for me?
[1:21] <TAFB> Cannot open /dev/sda
[1:21] <adeeln> interesting...mind pastebining the output of dmesg ?
[1:21] <adeeln> seems like the drive isn't coming up as /dev/sda
[1:22] <TAFB> dmesg is too big for putty buffer, can I output it to a file and I can transfer with winscp and pastebin
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[1:23] <adeeln> you can change the amount of scrollback in putty
[1:23] <adeeln> it's under the window options
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[1:23] <TAFB> woot, worked :) http://pastebin.com/YYTck41f
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[1:25] <frikinz> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[1:25] <adeeln> TAFB: ok, so the drive is under sda1 & sda2
[1:26] <TAFB> http://pastebin.com/Lhnsa3yM
[1:26] <adeeln> does the rasp-pi have built in bluetooth?
[1:26] <TAFB> adeeln: nope, lol :)
[1:26] <adeeln> TAFB: ah, sda1 is swap, sda2 is the data
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[1:27] <TAFB> adeeln: wtf? lol
[1:27] <adeeln> why does it initialize the bluetooth stack then?
[1:27] <TAFB> for bluetooth USB adapter support
[1:27] <adeeln> TAFB: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /foo
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[1:27] <adeeln> TAFB: ah
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> so, it turns out trying to a catch a falling soldering iron is a really bad idea. =/
[1:27] <adeeln> ShiftPlusOne: yes it is
[1:27] <TAFB> ShiftPlusOne: oush :(
[1:27] <TAFB> adeeln: Before I mount it, let me tell you what I'm doing.
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> been an hour and it's just getting worse and worse =/
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[1:28] <frikinz> under water, constantly
[1:28] <adeeln> ShiftPlusOne: you need to put burn ointment on it
[1:28] <Dr_Willis> only if you catch it by the wrong end. ;)
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I'll drop by the pharmacy soon
[1:28] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: skins burns for hours under
[1:28] <adeeln> ShiftPlusOne: i usually hold onto an ice cube until i can get ointment
[1:28] <TAFB> adeeln: I want to copy all the data off the SD card (the data partition only, not the boot), and copy it to this new hard drive (/sda2 i guess). I want to then tell the SD card to boot from /sda2. Do you think we can do all that?
[1:28] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: you really need to put your hand under cold tap watter
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I've gone through a tray of them >.>
[1:29] <adeeln> TAFB: yeah, that's pretty straight forward...however, i'm not too upto date on the inner workings of the rasp pi distro
[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> ok, off to the pharmacy... the ointment thing is a good idea, thanks.
[1:29] <TAFB> adeeln: okies. We can give it a go :) I made a backup of my SD card so if we mess ish up we're ok.
[1:29] <TAFB> and like I said, no important data on the new hard drive :)
[1:29] <TAFB> ok, so still mount it to /foo?
[1:30] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. playing with raspbmc had a few videos give me sound but a black screen. ;( wonder whats up with that.
[1:30] <adeeln> TAFB: actually, it's pretty simple...just edit /boot/cmdline.txt, set disk=/dev/sda2 and adjust your /etc/fstab
[1:30] <adeeln> TAFB: yup, you need to mount the drive somewhere so you can copy everything off the sdcard
[1:30] <TAFB> sweet, I'll give er a go.
[1:30] <TAFB> mounting now.
[1:30] <TAFB> mount: mount point /foo does not exist
[1:31] <adeeln> TAFB: heh, you need to create /foo
[1:31] <adeeln> sudo mkdir /foo
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[1:31] <TAFB> k. worked ;)
[1:31] <linuxstb> Dr_Willis: That probably means the video format isn't supported by the Pi's hardware video decoder.
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[1:32] <TAFB> adeeln: ok, when I go to /foo I see the wheezy stock files. we need to wipe this before copying the sd card files over.
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[1:32] <adeeln> TAFB: this command should also work to copy stuff off; sudo (cp -pr $(ls --hide='foo') /foo)
[1:32] <Dr_Willis> Well these other videos start to play.. then about 60 sec into playing the thing sort of stops playing. i can still get back to the xbmc menus however. Bummer...
[1:33] <adeeln> TAFB: yup, that's pretty easy to wipe
[1:33] <TAFB> ok, lets wipe and I'll give your copy command a go
[1:33] <adeeln> TAFB: there's 2 ways to wipe. either reformat, or just delete the files
[1:33] <TAFB> i say delete
[1:34] <adeeln> TAFB: sure, simple command.....rm -rf /foo (becareful not to mistype that command)
[1:34] <TAFB> sudo?
[1:34] <adeeln> yup
[1:34] <Dr_Willis> all righty.. somthing is wonky. a video that played last night - is not playing now. started, played for like 30 sec.. then froze
[1:34] <TAFB> k. i see the hard drive light blinkin lots ;)
[1:35] <TAFB> rm: cannot remove `/foo': Device or resource busy
[1:35] <adeeln> brb, i'm going to swap out the usb brick i use with my old ipad one
[1:35] <TAFB> k.
[1:35] <adeeln> TAFB: yup, that's to be expected
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[1:35] <TAFB> k. run your copy command from the root /
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[1:36] <adeeln> TAFB: yup, make sure it's done as sudo
[1:36] <adeeln> and go get a coffee...it'll probably take around 15-20 minutes
[1:37] <TAFB> k. here it goes
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[1:39] <tb01110100> Is everyone in the channel auto-opped?
[1:39] <adeeln> auto +v
[1:39] <Dr_Willis> auto voiced..
[1:39] <adeeln> not sure why
[1:39] <Dr_Willis> for some reason. ;) no idea why either
[1:40] <tb01110100> Sort of a bad idea? :)
[1:40] <adeeln> only time it's ever useful is if the channel is under +m
[1:40] <adeeln> its annoying on netsplits
[1:40] <adeeln> see 200 people getting voiced
[1:41] <tb01110100> Anyway, What's the difference between Arch for Pi and Raspbian, asides from the obvious ones?
[1:41] <tb01110100> I already use and am comfortable with Arch.
[1:41] <adeeln> tb01110100: stick with what you know is my advice
[1:41] <adeeln> however, i think raspbian may have a bigger community than arch for pi
[1:42] <tb01110100> Ah.
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[1:42] <adeeln> i'm going to see if i can get my raspberry pi to boot via pxe/iscsi
[1:43] <adeeln> gigE vs usb/sdhc
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[1:44] <BurtyB> you have magic gige?
[1:44] <adeeln> why magic?
[1:45] <adeeln> BurtyB: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 27.3966 s, 392 MB/s ...my zfs array
[1:46] <BurtyB> adeeln, just wondering how you've got gige on the pi
[1:46] <Dr_Willis> ;) i just figure its a typo.
[1:46] <adeeln> BurtyB: ah, forgot the pi only has 100mbit, but it's still faster than usb
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[1:48] <BurtyB> adeeln, you might be supprised...
[1:48] <adeeln> hmmm...a 40 gig write drops down to 296MB/s not bad
[1:48] <adeeln> BurtyB: why's that?
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[1:51] <BurtyB> adeeln, I'd imagine a usb hdd or even flash could do more than the 100Mbit/s ethernet
[1:51] <TAFB> hey adeeln: when I run "sudo (cp -pr $(ls --hide='foo') /foo)" i get "-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `cp'"
[1:51] <adeeln> TAFB: try getting rid of the outer ()
[1:51] <Dr_Willis> You are parseing/using the output of ls as a argument/filelist to cp ?
[1:52] <adeeln> Dr_Willis: yeah, it's a dirty way to copy his / to his external hd
[1:52] <TAFB> k. it's doin somethin.
[1:53] <TAFB> cp: reading `proc/sysrq-trigger': Input/output error
[1:53] <TAFB> still goin
[1:53] <adeeln> TAFB: yeah, you can ignore the /proc /dev /sys errors
[1:53] <TAFB> okies :)
[1:53] <adeeln> they aren't actual files; they're dynamically created/destroyed
[1:54] <TAFB> ahhh, so it'll just make em when I boot the new drive?
[1:54] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. a better power supply seems to have fixed my flakey pi issue. ;)
[1:54] <adeeln> TAFB: yup.../proc is where all the process information is, and you can tune some kernel stuff in there
[1:55] <Dr_Willis> These things are a bit finicky. ;P
[1:55] <BurtyB> A "-x" on that cp command would prevent it trying to copy the other fs
[1:55] <TAFB> k. i'll let ya know when the copy is done and we'll tweak cmdline and that other thing you said.
[1:55] <adeeln> BurtyB: does it keep the directory structure? i don't know if /dev/shm is mounted/etc
[1:56] <TAFB> adeeln: it copied the /boot folder to the new drive, i'm watching the new folders appear in winscp
[1:57] <adeeln> TAFB: we can remove the contents of the /boot folder once its done
[1:57] <TAFB> sweet. i get confused easy ;)
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[1:57] <home> connecting to my raspberry pi is very retarded
[1:57] <home> the AP is stingy
[1:57] <adeeln> TAFB: no worries
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[1:58] <adeeln> i should probably get the gpio breadboard for the pi
[1:58] <culpn8r> so i ran the hexxeh firmware updater and now my raspberry pi wont boot up. it gets past the initial screen but lxde never loads up
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[2:04] <adeeln> culpn8r: any logs or output?
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[2:08] <TAFB> adeeln: not lookin good. the act light isn't doing anything on the pie, nor my hard drive light, I think it's stalled :( not back at the prompt though. I see in good, for imaging the os to another device, peeps use rsync?
[2:09] <adeeln> TAFB: let it sit for a bit...it might be catching up; rsync works just as well as cp, since all you're really doing is just copying files...rsync works better after the initial sync
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[2:09] <TAFB> adeeln: okies, we'll give it some time :)
[2:10] <TAFB> I found this one: rsync -aAXv /* /foo --exclude={/foo/*,/dev/*,/proc/*,/sys/*,/tmp/*,//run/*,/mnt/*,/media/*,/lost+found,/home/*/.gvfs}
[2:10] <TAFB> looks pretty spiffy :)
[2:11] <adeeln> TAFB: yep, it just has a list of paths to exclude from copying
[2:11] <home> TAFB: my wifi ap works
[2:11] <home> TAFB: but it has connecting problems
[2:11] <TAFB> still no activity lights, thinking it's for sure not workin
[2:11] <home> but once it connects it works :/
[2:11] <TAFB> home: congrats, and that sucks
[2:12] <home> madea backup image also..just in case
[2:12] <home> but it works
[2:12] <home> not to test my ethernet camera XD
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[2:13] <TAFB> alright, I'm breakin CP and tryin rsync :( should I run a filesystem check on /foo?
[2:13] <adeeln> you don't need to
[2:13] <TAFB> k
[2:14] <TAFB> rsync commencing
[2:14] <adeeln> fsck is only really needed for unclean mounts (e.g. crash, reboot, cable yanked, etc)
[2:14] <home> yeah ^
[2:14] <home> btw, anyone know where I can get some rc cars? :D
[2:15] <TAFB> ohhhh, i like rsync better, shows you what it's doing :)
[2:15] <TAFB> home: HPI racing ;)
[2:15] <home> in Toronto?
[2:15] <adeeln> you could have passed the -v option to cp to see it...it just slows things down
[2:15] <TAFB> home: Oh, there's a place I get my HPI stuff in toronto, one sec.
[2:17] <adeeln> TAFB: you're in toronto?
[2:17] <TAFB> adeeln: pretty close
[2:17] <adeeln> TAFB: i'm out in mississauga
[2:17] <TAFB> adeeln: I try and avoid there as much as possible ;) I'm in Whitby :)
[2:18] <adeeln> haha don't blame you
[2:18] <home> soooo...
[2:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Is this channel being taken over by canadians? O_o
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[2:18] <adeeln> seems that way
[2:19] <home> I am not really Canadian
[2:19] <ShiftPlusOne> meh, can't complain I guess
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[2:20] <TAFB> home: you thinking car, buggy or monster trock?
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[2:21] <home> monster truck, but whats a buggy XD
[2:22] <TAFB> a buggy is like a car on steroids, faster than monster truck, handles better, better for jumps. All around better, just not as big, mean and impressive.
[2:22] <pksato> warranty voided http://pksato.blogspot.com.br/2012/12/replacing-polyfuses-of-raspberry-pi.html
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[2:24] <TAFB> home: If you're thinking buggy, this thing is a monster: http://hobbyhobby.com/store/product/103363/10410-RTR-Nitro-RS4-MT2-G3.0/
[2:24] <home> that is expensive XD
[2:24] <home> I need a cheaper option :/
[2:25] <TAFB> you gotta pay to play. anything cheaper sucks. That nitro truck will out accellerate anything your friends have, beat them in top speed and jump 20ft without breaking :)
[2:25] <TAFB> if you want a truck, this is it: http://hobbyhobby.com/store/product/321474/105644-RTR-Savage-X-4.6-2.4GHz/
[2:26] <TAFB> woot, copy is complete! sent 1616975927 bytes received 1116423 bytes 4577347.52 bytes/sec
[2:26] <TAFB> total size is 1612441166 speedup is 1.00
[2:26] <home> all those I don't have the money for
[2:26] <home> how nice
[2:26] <TAFB> home: save up ;)
[2:27] <home> I think a cheaper option would be better,,,
[2:27] <TAFB> i always like the best, so I go big
[2:29] <Datalink> are Pis on backorder or is it just cause Newark filled my old order 2 months ago?
[2:29] <home> lol
[2:29] <TAFB> home: once you go big power nitro, you'll never go back. huge tire smoking drifts, wheelies down the entire street, full throttle trench ripping lawn driving (on your neighbours lawn of course). The smell of the nitro fuel gets pretty addictive after a while too :)
[2:30] <TAFB> Datalink: Seems Pi's are on back order, again. You can pay $60 for one on ebay tho ;)
[2:30] <Datalink> blar...
[2:30] <Dr_Willis> i just got my pis last week. after being backordered for like 5 Mo. ;)
[2:31] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. well beans.. the raspxbmc was playing a video fine.. then about 10 min into it.. it just hung.. wonder if its a HD issue. i watched the same video last night on the other Pi.
[2:32] <TAFB> ok... so I'm editing cmdline.txt... I change root to root=/dev/sda2 ?
[2:32] <adeeln> TAFB: yup
[2:32] <TAFB> woot
[2:32] <adeeln> TAFB: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab file
[2:32] <plugwash> Afaict right now if you want a Pi in the USA you should order from MCM
[2:32] <plugwash> since they have stock and they aren't marking up the price
[2:32] <TAFB> adeeln: will do
[2:33] <plugwash> but as always the situation can change quickly
[2:33] <TAFB> http://pastebin.com/hAsmNaA3
[2:33] <adeeln> i got lucky with my pi's...newark had them over the weekend, ordered mine sunday, got them by wednesday even though newark's site said it was now backordered
[2:34] <TAFB> adeeln: I got mine from newark too. Ordered last friday, got it the monday after!
[2:34] <TAFB> I showed a few friends, they called newark to order, said be end of january :(
[2:34] <adeeln> TAFB: you also need to modify the line where it says /dev/mmcblk0p2 to /dev/sda2
[2:35] <TAFB> k. don.e
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[2:35] <TAFB> reboot!??!? omg scary
[2:35] <TAFB> it's headless, so this better work ;)
[2:35] <adeeln> TAFB: before you do
[2:35] <adeeln> which fstab file did you modify? /etc or /foo/etc/ ?
[2:36] <TAFB> the /etc one :(
[2:36] <TAFB> should I do it on foo too?
[2:36] <adeeln> TAFB: yup
[2:36] <adeeln> mind you, when you reboot your usb hd will be mounted on /
[2:36] <adeeln> and not /foo
[2:36] <TAFB> ok, /foo/etc/fstab editied :)
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[2:37] <pksato> /foo?
[2:37] <adeeln> i wonder if you need to add the root_delay option as well
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[2:38] <TAFB> didn't see anyone else mention that in the Pi move to usb threads.
[2:38] <TAFB> give er a reboot? I can connect a screen/mouse/keyboard if required :)
[2:38] <adeeln> yeah, you should be golden
[2:38] <TAFB> alright, here goes.
[2:38] <adeeln> you may want to unmount /foo too
[2:39] <TAFB> whops, I just did: sudo shutdown -r now
[2:39] <TAFB> :)
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[2:40] <home> hmm range with wifi is a issue
[2:40] <home> need a much stronger/ supported wifi adapter :/
[2:40] <TAFB> yay! my Pi booted! Look at "drive usage" on my status page!! http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[2:41] <TAFB> 100gigs of free space on my Pi :) woot. Can't wait to run some new performance tests.
[2:41] <adeeln> TAFB: heh, the nice thing is that you'll always have the sdcard as a failure boot device just by changing the cmdline.txt file
[2:42] <TAFB> adeeln: I'm actually getting rid of the SD card I curren't have and putting in a 128mb one ;) lol
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[2:42] <adeeln> ah ok
[2:43] <TAFB> adeeln: It doesn't look like it's using my new swap parition: Swap: 99M 0B 99M
[2:43] <TAFB> looks like still using the 100mb file on the sd card :(
[2:43] <TAFB> my new swap partition is 1gb
[2:44] <adeeln> TAFB: hmmm...there was a note in the fstab file
[2:44] <adeeln> dphys-swapfile swap off
[2:45] <adeeln> you can also add an entry into fstab to use the new swap partition....
[2:45] <TAFB> ok, running dphys now...
[2:45] <adeeln> TAFB: /dev/sda1 none sw swap 0 0
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[2:46] <TAFB> k. done. sudo dphys-swapfile swapoff
[2:46] <adeeln> you can manually disable/enable the swap by doing: sudo swapoff -a; sudo swapon /dev/sda1
[2:46] <TAFB> so I put: /dev/sda1 none sw swap 0 0
[2:46] <TAFB> in the fstab?
[2:46] <adeeln> yup
[2:46] <adeeln> and i'm guessing there's a swap file somewhere
[2:47] <TAFB> it's a swap partition, sda1
[2:47] <adeeln> no, the old one
[2:47] <TAFB> ahhh
[2:48] <TAFB> ok, fstab editied, I put in: /dev/sda1 swap swap defaults 0 0
[2:48] <TAFB> that right?
[2:49] <pksato> if /dev/sda1 is a swap partion and initialized.
[2:50] <TAFB> how do I know it's initialized?
[2:50] <adeeln> TAFB: did the swapon command work?
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[2:50] <TAFB> adeeln: didn't try it yet :)
[2:50] <pksato> you use mkswap ?
[2:50] <TAFB> oh yeah, mkswap first right?
[2:51] <TAFB> mkswap -f /dev/sda1
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[2:51] <adeeln> TAFB: hmmm...your config.txt settings didn't work for me
[2:51] <TAFB> adeeln: why not?
[2:51] <adeeln> the openelec image i have doesn't boot
[2:52] <TAFB> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1050620 KiB
[2:52] <TAFB> no label, UUID=331ad86f-fd73-4f77-878f-fc562d2f2976
[2:52] <TAFB> adeeln: Oh, I'm running wheezy
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[2:52] <TAFB> ok, trying swapon
[2:52] <TAFB> swapon /dev/sda1
[2:53] <TAFB> gave me no errors
[2:53] <adeeln> it shouldnt
[2:54] <TAFB> now that my swap is on a much faster drive then SD, should I relax the thing where it's forcing it to almost never go to swap? I see people recommend setting it at "10" instead of "1"
[2:54] <TAFB> but they don't say what file to edit! lol
[2:55] <adeeln> TAFB: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness iirc
[2:55] <adeeln> TAFB: the default value of 60 should be fine
[2:55] <TAFB> that's the one :)
[2:55] <TAFB> the default on wheezy is 1
[2:56] <TAFB> should I make it 60? or 10?
[2:56] <adeeln> ah, the standard default linux install is around 60
[2:56] <adeeln> the memory subsystem is pretty good
[2:56] <TAFB> i think I'll try 10, cause the disk subsystem on the pi sux
[2:56] <TAFB> ok, all editied. giving it a reboot to see if the swap settings tick :)
[2:57] <TAFB> stick
[2:57] <CelticTurnip> ...
[2:57] <pksato> thinking if is possible some kind of memory expanssion using GPIO, DSI and CSI .
[2:58] <TAFB> oh baby that boots fast :) prolly won't on my class1 sd card, but oh well :) lol
[2:58] <TAFB> WOOT! Swap file works!!! http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[2:59] <CelticTurnip> The only good swap in unused swap ;)
[2:59] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: lol :)
[3:00] <TAFB> adeeln: thanks so much for all your help!!! Now I gotta copy my boot partition to my tiny sd card and swap it out. if all goes well, she'll be done. Then just gotta do some performance tests, update my Pi status page, then done.
[3:00] <CelticTurnip> I dont think Ive seen a nix box use swap in 15 years+
[3:00] <adeeln> CelticTurnip: it happens
[3:01] <adeeln> TAFB: heh, no worries
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[3:01] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: Mine used swap the other day :( I found a website where you can load test your web server, I had it open 1000 connections to my "status" page (not a good page for testing, lol), and my Pi swapped :(
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[3:03] <CelticTurnip> If I had a box swap Id add more RAM, but then Id never use the Pi as a server ;)
[3:03] <TAFB> with my new hard drive my pi is drawing 8 watts instead of 6 :(
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[3:04] <CelticTurnip> I have a Soekris at home with a SSD, it uses 1 - 2 watts
[3:04] <home> :(
[3:04] <home> I have me at home
[3:05] <TAFB> ok, just so I'm clear. cmdline.txt is in the boot partition, but etc/fstab is on the operating system partition??
[3:05] <SpeedEvil> yes
[3:05] <CelticTurnip> yep
[3:05] <TAFB> okies :)
[3:06] <TAFB> ok, boot partition copied to 128mb class1 card... shutting down Pi and swapping... :)
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[3:09] <TAFB> omg it boots! YAY!
[3:09] <TAFB> onto performance testing...
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[3:26] <adeeln> hmmm....tafb, after applying your OC settings, my pi just hangs after the color pattern
[3:27] <TAFB> adeeln: yikes :( must be for wheezy only I guess :(
[3:28] <TAFB> On a happier note, NEW Pi PIC! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
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[3:31] <TAFB> also, I forgot I had plugged in an extra power adapter to power the external drive, but I tried both USB (comes with a double/split USB cable) directly into the Pi and it powers the drive! WOOT! So without the other power adapter, I'm back to 6 watts :)
[3:31] <ParkerR_> TAFB, I HATE YOU
[3:31] <TAFB> ParkerR_: don't hate me till you see the new performance benchmarks ;)
[3:31] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Naah I just hate you for the case
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[3:32] <TAFB> ParkerR_: Okies. Then please hold while I run iozone. Took 45 mins to run the test last time, on the SD. We'll see how long she takes on this one :)
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[3:33] <TAFB> test started
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[3:35] <TAFB> ohhhhhh, it's faster in sequential 4k reads and writes by 50%... lets see how it does on random...
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[3:40] <home> serp
[3:40] <home> derp :D
[3:40] <TAFB> hey home, did you see my latest Pi pic?! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[3:41] <adeeln> btw, simple question here, but how do i get xbmc to stop automatically playing the subtitles for a movie/tv show?
[3:42] <TAFB> ohhhhhh, numbers look good. 4k random read speed increased 37%
[3:42] <CelticTurnip> nice case
[3:42] <TAFB> and 4k random write speed increased by a MIND BLOWING 1133% woot :)
[3:42] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: thanks ;)
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[3:44] <Nahledge> Can somebody tell me what type of partition root fs uses in raspbian? i cant boot and examinging my tables i notice rooot fs is unknown partition type
[3:44] <TAFB> the boot is fat32, and the OS partition is ext4
[3:45] <TAFB> wow, random 512k write speeds improbed by 300% :)
[3:46] <ParkerR_> TAFB, What are you reading/writing from?
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[3:46] <TAFB> ParkerR_: iozone: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15710882/iozone3_397-2_armhf.deb
[3:46] <TAFB> sudo dpkg -i iozone3_397-2_armhf.deb
[3:46] <ParkerR_> TAFB, No
[3:46] <TAFB> iozone -e -a -s 1000M -r 4k -r 512k -r 16M -i 0 -i 1 -i 2 -Rb chart.wks
[3:46] <ParkerR_> What devide
[3:46] <TAFB> warning:
[3:46] <ParkerR_> Haqrd drive? Flash drive?
[3:46] <ParkerR_> *Hard
[3:46] <TAFB> oh... ParkerR_: It's a secret.
[3:46] <TAFB> You saw my Pi pic right?
[3:46] <ParkerR_> Yeah
[3:47] <ParkerR_> The DVD drive hooked up
[3:47] <TAFB> yeah... but it's not a dvd drive ;)
[3:47] <TAFB> what do you think is inside?
[3:47] <CelticTurnip> gerbals?
[3:47] <ParkerR_> Laptop drive? :P
[3:47] <ParkerR_> SSD?
[3:47] <TAFB> SSD! BINGO!
[3:47] <ParkerR_> Neat
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[3:47] <TAFB> yep, hacked it together, never thought it was gonna woerk
[3:47] <TAFB> work
[3:47] <ParkerR_> Didn't expect something over USB to be faster than the built in SD card
[3:48] <TAFB> that case is for taking your optical drive out of your laptop and running it external over usb ;)
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[3:48] <TAFB> it was sata inside, so was SSD, so figured it might just work ;)
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[3:48] <CelticTurnip> sounds like a waste of a SSD :P
[3:49] <TAFB> ParkerR_: On the forums there's a huge thread where everyone is testing their Pi's with different sd cards, etc. Most of the old old class 4 cards just MURDER all the current ones for performance.
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[3:49] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Wait the older class 4's are better?
[3:49] <TAFB> ParkerR_: And one guy had SSD, and it murdered all usb hard drives, usb sticks and SD cards, so I just had to have it :)
[3:50] <TAFB> ParkerR_: Yep, most of em. When using your Pi for anything other than media streaming, there's a massive amount of 4k reads and writes, and current SD cards SUCK for 4k reads and writes :(
[3:50] * ParkerR_ I have some class 4's and 2's
[3:50] <TAFB> the older ones do WAY better.
[3:50] <TAFB> Peaker, install iozone and do some tests! :)
[3:50] <pksato> I have a two small capacity sds, 16MB and 256MB. ideal to put boot files.
[3:50] <TAFB> pksato: Nice! Probably boots crazy fast :)
[3:50] <ParkerR_> "TAFB> warning:" Whats the warning?
[3:51] <TAFB> Parker: ummm, if I gave you the command line: iozone -e -a -s 1000M -r 4k -r 512k -r 16M -i 0 -i 1 -i 2 -Rb chart.wks
[3:51] <TAFB> it takes almost 45 mins to run ;)
[3:51] <TAFB> you can make the -s 1000M number smaller
[3:51] <TAFB> but it may cache in ram i.e. not give you true performance numbers
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[3:52] <TAFB> if your card does over 700 in 4k random write test, call it good ;)
[3:52] <home> TAFB: you have a very sexy case
[3:52] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Ok will test
[3:52] <TAFB> the iozone peeps say to set the -s switch to double your ram, so if you have 256mb Pi, then you can set the -s switch to like 400
[3:52] <TAFB> (ram minus gpu share) x 2
[3:53] <TAFB> home: Thanks! The case cost twice what the Pi did ;)
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[3:54] <adeeln> stupid mmcqd task is hogging the cpu
[3:54] <ParkerR_> TAFB, 512mb Pi with 128mb gpu split
[3:55] <TAFB> adeeln: that usually means errors on your SD card, no?
[3:55] <adeeln> TAFB: nope, just means something is writing to disk
[3:55] <TAFB> ParkerR_: probably, -s 700M then
[3:55] <adeeln> since this is essentially my first boot of xbmc, its probably just updating the metadata
[3:55] <adeeln> and plugins
[3:56] <TAFB> adeeln: Ahhh, I thought you meant when your Pi was supposed to be idle ;)
[3:57] <adeeln> TAFB: nope...was able to get it to overclock a little though
[3:57] <adeeln> i think i need to add a heatsink onto the gpu/sdram to keep it cool
[3:57] <TAFB> my Pi came with little heatsinks, but didn't use em
[3:57] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi.jpg
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[3:58] <adeeln> ah, you probably bought their starter pack
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[3:59] <adeeln> i just bought the base board with a crappy case
[3:59] <TAFB> was just the Pi, but it was the 3rd one (the first two were bad)
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[3:59] <adeeln> heh, maybe it was just a condolence prize
[4:00] <TAFB> prolly :) I thought they were implying my old Pi's had overheated, but I dunno :) lol
[4:01] <ParkerR_> TAFB, http://i.snag.gy/awkq6.jpg
[4:02] <TAFB> ParkerR_: It's still runnin
[4:02] <ParkerR_> I know :P
[4:02] <TAFB> should take prolly 20 mins total.
[4:02] <TAFB> can't wait to see numbers ;)
[4:02] <ParkerR_> A nice little status would be nice XD
[4:02] <TAFB> I'm making a chart for my results, my SD vs SSD
[4:03] <TAFB> ParkerR_: If you take the file it makes, chart.wks, and open it in microsoft excel, it spits out some cool charts ;)
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[4:03] <ParkerR_> Yeah I recognized wks :)
[4:04] <adeeln> hmm...i wonder how difficult it will be to move the xbmc database off the sd card and onto a remote mysql server
[4:04] <TAFB> http://www.iozone.org/docs/read.gif
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[4:04] <ParkerR_> Neat
[4:05] <ParkerR_> Oooh more numbers
[4:05] <TAFB> my charts look way more gay, but whatever :)
[4:05] <ParkerR_> "716800 4 3947 4023"
[4:05] <TAFB> can you pastebin so it keeps the formatting ;)
[4:06] <ParkerR_> Stupid putty. I highlighted then right clicked out of habit. It pasted what I copied to the ssh sessin. Hope that doesnt mess up anything XD
[4:06] <TAFB> rofl!
[4:06] <TAFB> it shouldn't
[4:06] <Xark> ParkerR_: Muhaha, now we know your luggage combination. :)
[4:06] <TAFB> would be funny if the chart.wks file had all that in it.
[4:06] <ParkerR_> TAFB, I messed up my output. Ill just have to send you the wks file :P
[4:06] <TAFB> that'll work ;)
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[4:11] <ParkerR_> TAFB, I love this. ONly power and ethernet hooked up to the Pi
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[4:12] <TAFB> Yep. My pi had ONLY power hooked up, that was sweet. I might switch my Pi to PoE so I'll have ONLY eithernet going in! One wire pi: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
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[4:16] <piney> i'm thinking of using the pwm gpio output to control the speed of a fan. can a transistor handle switching those speeds? (i'm making an outdoor temperature sensor that will be housed in a pvc pipe within a pvc pipe with a fan at low speed to give the temperature sensor a fresh sample of air)
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[4:18] <SpeedEvil> easily
[4:18] <piney> great. thanks
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[4:30] <ParkerR_> TAFB, http://minecrafted.mooo.com/IMG_0760.JPG
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[4:30] <TAFB> lookin gooood :)
[4:31] <TAFB> you need a half high SD card adapter from adafruit, and microsd card ;)
[4:31] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Also thats a web server running on an iPhone XD
[4:31] <TAFB> rofl
[4:31] <ParkerR_> lighttpd <3
[4:31] <ParkerR_> I have an 8gb micro SD but I just like the bigger card
[4:32] <TAFB> pfft, SSD is where it's at ;)
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[4:32] <ParkerR_> Also lapdock http://minecrafted.mooo.com/IMG_0737.JPG
[4:33] <ParkerR_> Also clouds http://minecrafted.mooo.com/IMG_0751.JPG
[4:33] <ParkerR_> Buncha random stuff XD
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[4:36] <TAFB> the price on the gas pump, how much is that for?
[4:37] <ParkerR_> Per gallon
[4:38] <TAFB> that's good, I thought it was per Litre ;)
[4:38] <TAFB> New performance chart is up: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
[4:40] <TAFB> hmmm, issue with the colours I think, no way to identify the 4k/512k/16mb columns :(
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[4:46] <TAFB> there we go, a little better: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
[4:47] <ParkerR_> TAFB, It's the same image...
[4:47] <TAFB> maybe you gotta refresh?
[4:48] <ParkerR_> No
[4:48] <ParkerR_> I have the both open
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[4:48] <TAFB> should be pink for 4k, blue for 512k and purple for 16mb?
[4:48] <ParkerR_> I only see two collors in the columns
[4:48] <TAFB> works find for me, you must be lookin at cached.
[4:48] <ParkerR_> *colors
[4:48] <ParkerR_> Ahhhh
[4:48] <ParkerR_> Ctrlt f5
[4:48] <ParkerR_> Woo
[4:48] <ParkerR_> *Ctrl
[4:49] <TAFB> lol
[4:49] <ParkerR_> Weird chrome didnt reload
[4:49] <TAFB> is that better or still to hard to read?
[4:49] <ParkerR_> Not bad
[4:49] <TAFB> okies
[4:49] <ParkerR_> Makes a lot more sense :P
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[4:50] <TAFB> that's good :) check out the 4k random write results, that's where I was lookin for improvment, and boy did I get it ;)
[4:50] <ParkerR_> Still running on my end
[4:50] <TAFB> hehe
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[4:53] <pksato> RPi can not boot from a MMC card.
[4:53] <monkers> are their sheilds for pi like arduino?
[4:53] <monkers> like a motor driver sheild
[4:54] <pksato> monkers: some sheilds for arduino work on rpi.
[4:54] <ParkerR_> Ahh gotta love browsing through old photos http://cl.ly/image/1r3e1X1V0d1y2i1B1Y2y/IMG_0750.JPG
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[4:56] <pksato> monkers: http://www.adafruit.com/category/105
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[5:14] <steve_rox> anyone else try that rpi store thing they made yet?
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[5:15] <ParkerR_> steve_rox, What now?
[5:16] <steve_rox> someone created a app store prog for the pi
[5:17] <ParkerR_> Links?
[5:17] <ParkerR_> *Link?
[5:18] <ParkerR_> Nvm
[5:18] <CelticTurnip> it's the top story on raspberrypi.org
[5:18] <steve_rox> indeed
[5:18] <steve_rox> saved me the trouble
[5:18] <steve_rox> since my mouse pad just died
[5:18] <ParkerR_> That seems weird
[5:18] <steve_rox> i just installed it
[5:19] <steve_rox> makes me wish im runing in a higher res :-p
[5:19] <Mentos> Hey anyone know if buying more codecs will help with the problem where you can hear a video that you're streaming but can't see it?
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[5:20] <ParkerR_> Mentos, Depends on if the video is using one of the codecs you need to buy
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[5:23] <Mentos> how can you determine the codec a stream needs
[5:26] <axion> Mentos: plenty of ways...1 is to try playing it with omxplayer and examining the log file it generates in the current directory.
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[5:28] <Mentos> k, I'm actually on raspbmc so i'll see if i can get that log
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[5:37] <Essobi> :D Sucessfully using the Arduino interface to program a 8mhz clone at 3.3V over GPIO.
[5:37] <ParkerR_> TAFB, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0Cu3bs31
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[5:38] <ParkerR_> Doesnt quite line up but you get the gist
[5:38] <TAFB> ok, checking
[5:39] <TAFB> ParkerR_: Your random 4k write is only 254k/sec! :( Remember I said, anything over 700 is considered good :(
[5:39] <ParkerR_> Meh
[5:39] <TAFB> your random 4k read is pretty good, 2.7mb/sec
[5:39] <ParkerR_> Works for me :P
[5:40] <axion> anyone fluent in C? I'm porting a library from C and I have a small problem with a header file
[5:40] <TAFB> ParkerR_: Your cards general write speed is pretty horrible, but the read speed is flawless :)
[5:41] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: I get like 300MB+ for 4K write is that good? FreeBSD+ZFS, HP Proliant with 8x 15K SAS drives? :P
[5:42] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: lol
[5:42] <CelticTurnip> that's okay, eh?
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[5:42] <TAFB> it'd do ;)
[5:42] <CelticTurnip> probably uses a bit more than 6 watts though
[5:43] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: I'm doin 8mb on 4k, on a Pi! lol. not bad :) The 28mb on 512k random is pretty smokin too :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
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[5:43] <CelticTurnip> I was looking at that before, I get around double that (at least) on my 1W Soekris box with SSD
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[5:44] <TAFB> nice
[5:44] <CelticTurnip> that's running OpenBSD with FFS
[5:44] <TAFB> ahhh. I hear FFS is very efficient
[5:44] <CelticTurnip> Same drive I think, Sandisk Extreme 120GB
[5:44] <TAFB> yep, that's what I got :)
[5:45] <TAFB> for it for $80 on sale! couldn't pass that up
[5:45] <TAFB> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1088&item_id=047585
[5:45] <CelticTurnip> in a 40W HP Proliant N40L MicroServer I get about 290MB/s same drive
[5:45] <TAFB> even though I'm sure even a super crappy SSD woulda got me the same performance prolly
[5:45] <CelticTurnip> I've got heaps of them, they're sweet as!
[5:45] <CelticTurnip> yeah I've seen those Sandisks hit 500MB/s on real computers :)
[5:45] <TAFB> yep, in all the reviews I read, they just smoked the competition, even the ocz max iops drives :)
[5:47] <TAFB> did you see the cool sata to USB adapter I'm using?
[5:47] <CelticTurnip> from the optical drive case?
[5:47] <TAFB> yeah :)
[5:48] <TAFB> lol
[5:48] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: im tempted to buy one
[5:48] <ackthet> which they came in a rack form factor!
[5:48] <CelticTurnip> yeah that's a sweet mod
[5:48] <TAFB> yeah, should really freak people out
[5:48] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: 1 what?
[5:49] <TAFB> the drive tray opens and everything, it's got a retractable USB cable inside so you can pull out the tray and the drive is still connected/powered :)
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[5:50] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: HP microserver
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[5:50] * PiBot sets mode +v nutcase
[5:52] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: screw that you're in the US, get another Super Micro case and board :P
[5:53] <ackthet> $$$$
[5:53] <ackthet> gotta buy a 308 AR-10 before its too late
[5:53] * CelticTurnip puts on the ewok suit
[5:53] <CelticTurnip> bloody zombies!
[5:54] <CelticTurnip> just give me your current super micro setup and I'll give you a HP :P
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[5:55] <axion> he replaced 8 of them with a pi :)
[5:55] <axion> afaik
[5:55] <CelticTurnip> GFL with that :)
[5:55] <axion> proliants @ TAFB :)
[5:56] <axion> TAFB: all these newbs pm'ing me asking about my config lol
[5:56] <TAFB> axion: i only had four of them, 3 onto one Pi for now... just wanna keep the other for a backup
[5:56] * rikkib now has two RPi installed in clients premises. One internal camera in the largest PC recycle company in NZ and another plain RPi for testing and development. And an order for a solar/wireless camera from the same recycle company.
[5:56] <TAFB> axion: sorry bout that
[5:56] <axion> lol np
[5:56] <TAFB> I put your name all over the web, it's on my status page and everything ;)
[5:57] <axion> you're awesome
[5:57] <TAFB> lol
[5:57] <axion> toysareforboys....
[5:57] <axion> forgot the url
[5:57] <TAFB> you should charge $5/min for technical support
[5:57] <TAFB> http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[5:57] <TAFB> axion: look closly at the page for my lastest goodies, pay attention to the free space ;)
[5:58] <TAFB> and I'm editing the storage description right now ;)
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[5:58] <axion> good quake disclaimer
[5:58] <axion> hehe
[5:58] <TAFB> Almost forgot, my Pi pic of the day: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[5:58] <TAFB> axion: yeah, I think I worded it a lil better.
[5:59] <axion> how does the opitdrive work?
[5:59] <TAFB> there's an SSD inside ;)
[5:59] <TAFB> 120gb Sandisk Extreme
[5:59] <rikkib> Choice the cyclone that got Samoa and Fiji is heading for us now...
[5:59] <axion> aha, for / ?
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[5:59] * PiBot sets mode +v halfhalo
[5:59] <TAFB> yep
[5:59] <TAFB> rootfs
[5:59] <TAFB> baby
[5:59] <axion> TAFB: awesome!!!
[5:59] <axion> im doing to same
[5:59] <axion> 32gb ssd here
[6:00] <axion> its super fast
[6:00] <axion> big comparison
[6:00] <TAFB> SO much faster than SD card, check out the 4k random write speed (last column): http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
[6:00] <rikkib> I got got three 120GB/160GB drives
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[6:00] <Mentos> TAFB: Is that your Raspbery Pi in the shot?
[6:00] <TAFB> yeah, but don't forget, in the Pi you have to run it over usb 2.0, which makes it blow goats.
[6:00] <TAFB> Mentos: sure damn is :)
[6:00] <axion> can you run this: hdparm -Tt /dev/sdx#
[6:00] <axion> replace x and # ofc
[6:00] <Mentos> TAFB: Cool case, you find any issues with a closed case when it comes to heat?
[6:00] <rikkib> Scrounged them from the recycle company
[6:00] <TAFB> what? english...
[6:01] <axion> errr drop #
[6:01] <TAFB> Mentos: That case is an active cooling case (or passive cooling)? the entire case is a heatsink.
[6:01] <CelticTurnip> TAFB what crappy Proliants did you have that you consider the Pi better?
[6:01] <axion> TAFB: compare with mine: hdparm -Tt /dev/sdx
[6:01] <CelticTurnip> I work with Proliants all day at work, and use them at home - I'd never use a Pi for anything they do
[6:01] <Mentos> TAFB: whats the name of the case I'm on the market for one
[6:01] <TAFB> they were monster proliants, 8cpu, dual 1200 watt supplies, I can get you a model number, still got one in the basement.
[6:02] <TAFB> Mentos: the case: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/110984616925
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[6:02] <Mentos> TAFB: Is there a case thats come out since you got that one that you'd get instead?
[6:02] <CelticTurnip> and you replaced 3 of those with a Pi?
[6:02] * CelticTurnip prepares the 3 sarcastic dots
[6:02] <CelticTurnip> ...
[6:02] <axion> TAFB:
[6:02] <axion> Timing cached reads: 316 MB in 2.01 seconds = 157.57 MB/sec
[6:02] <axion> Timing buffered disk reads: 72 MB in 3.07 seconds = 23.48 MB/sec
[6:02] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: They were provided to me by customers, I just ran them, don't bitch that I coulda ran all four ish on one of them.
[6:02] <axion> my ssd
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[6:03] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook
[6:03] <TAFB> axion: what do you need to know that's not in my charts? There's no cpu/ram/disk caching going on, those are raw speeds.
[6:03] <axion> the output of that command above
[6:03] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: I'm not bitching, I'm just wondering what planet you come from that a Pi can replace - um - 32 cores? :P
[6:04] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: The servers were running like 8 websites and 30 email domains between all four, average cpu load was .003%, don't bitch.
[6:04] <CelticTurnip> who's bitching?
[6:04] <TAFB> they were doing some weird live weather and weather station capture stuff, etc. I haven't got it working on the Pi yet, which is why there is still one.
[6:04] <TAFB> how can you stand to work with them? they are SO LOUD :(
[6:05] <CelticTurnip> um we have these things called coms and server rooms :P
[6:05] <TAFB> not in your bedroom eh? :(
[6:05] <Mentos> Anyone got any suggestions for a Raspberry Pi case?
[6:05] <TAFB> Mentos: The rainbow one from Adafruit looks awesome
[6:05] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: why would I have a Proliant rack mount server in my bedroom? They work much better at work :P
[6:05] <axion> Mentos: www.polycase.com/pi-series
[6:05] <TAFB> axion: So I run hdparm -Tt /dev/sda2?
[6:06] <axion> without the 2
[6:06] <axion> the whole device
[6:06] <TAFB> my main drive is called "2"
[6:06] <TAFB> the other part is swap
[6:06] <axion> thats fine you are measuring the device, not a part of the device
[6:06] <TAFB> ahhh, okies. one sec.
[6:07] <TAFB> Timing cached reads: 400 MB in 2.00 seconds = 199.89 MB/sec
[6:07] <TAFB> Timing buffered disk reads: 66 MB in 3.02 seconds = 21.88 MB/sec
[6:07] <axion> one more time
[6:07] <TAFB> same command?
[6:07] <axion> ya
[6:07] <Mentos> TAFB: I thought the rainbow one was cool but reminds me too much of a gay pride flag
[6:07] <TAFB> Timing cached reads: 410 MB in 2.00 seconds = 204.72 MB/sec
[6:07] <TAFB> Timing buffered disk reads: 66 MB in 3.02 seconds = 21.84 MB/sec
[6:08] <TAFB> Mentos: lol :)
[6:08] <CelticTurnip> Mentos: they have other limited edition PiBows
[6:08] <CelticTurnip> I ordered the blue Adafruit branded 1
[6:08] <axion> TAFB: not bad, mine is faster at reading though
[6:08] <TAFB> axion: nice. I need IOPS, not speed ;)
[6:08] <axion> 23-24MB/s
[6:08] <axion> i bought my SSD 5 years ago
[6:08] <axion> haha
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[6:09] * PiBot sets mode +v asd
[6:09] <TAFB> any speed difference is likely related to the dumb usb 2.0 adapter it's going through ;)
[6:09] <axion> i just wanted to see how age plays a factor
[6:09] <axion> mines not as bad as i thought
[6:09] <TAFB> nice
[6:09] <axion> sure seems quick anyway
[6:09] <Mentos> TAFB: I really like that full metal one if it was just a little cheaper i'd pull the trigger on it
[6:09] <TAFB> how did you hook it up to the Pi?
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[6:10] <TAFB> Mentos: It's made out of solid block of aircraft grade 6061 T6 aluminum, it won't be getting any cheaper :(
[6:10] <TAFB> and the fact that it actually cools your pi too ;)
[6:10] <Mentos> yea its uber cool
[6:10] <TAFB> Mentos: Check out how chilly my Pi runs: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[6:10] <axion> TAFB: plugged into my powered hub
[6:11] <TAFB> and I see it's a running a little warmer now that's it's sitting on my SSD :) lol
[6:11] <TAFB> axion: how did you connect it to the Pi though, was your SSD already in your enclosure or you put it in one?
[6:12] <axion> TAFB: i bought a usb->sata bridge....just an adapter with ssd lying next to the hub
[6:12] <ackthet> TAFB: so on your old HP's what os did you run
[6:12] <TAFB> ahhh, nice. My SSD is going SATA to SATA to USB to Pi
[6:12] <TAFB> so it might be losing a little there.
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[6:12] <TAFB> ackthet: Windows Server 2008 R2 or something? All of them were different versions, some web, some datacenter, etc.
[6:12] <TAFB> like I said, I didn't set any of them up, just hosted them here.
[6:13] <Mentos> TAFB: Are you hosting that status page from your Pi?
[6:13] <TAFB> sure damn am :) PI POWERED BABY!
[6:13] <Essobi> ;)
[6:13] <Mentos> what do you use your Pi for?
[6:14] <TAFB> I'm doing a whole wordpress blog on the Pi too
[6:14] <Essobi> That's pretty slick, I admit.
[6:14] <Essobi> ...
[6:14] <TAFB> Mentos: My Pi is a web server (Pancake + PHP), e-mail/webmail/smtp/pop3 server with Citadel
[6:14] <Essobi> "On the pi" or... "ON" the pi..
[6:14] <Essobi> :D
[6:14] <TAFB> and soon it'll be a video capture server for some security cameras (and a PiCam of course).
[6:14] <Essobi> TAFB: None of my cams are stable on linux. :|
[6:15] <TAFB> Essobi: I guess I'm doing a wordpress block IN the Pi :)
[6:15] <Essobi> ;
[6:15] <Essobi> ;)
[6:15] <TAFB> Essobi: Yikes. I hope mine are. My cams have a sweet jpg stream url like
[6:15] <TAFB> so it should be pretty easy
[6:15] <Mentos> TAFB: cool, I'm running Raspbmc on mine
[6:15] <Essobi> Confusing statements are confusing. :D
[6:16] <TAFB> Mentos: Is that the media center software?
[6:16] <Mentos> yea
[6:16] <Essobi> TAFB: Axis, standalones?
[6:16] <TAFB> Mentos: Nice. I already have a really great media center player already called Aios, it works so damn good I dun wanna replace it with a Pi :)
[6:17] <Mentos> What do you run Aios on?
[6:17] <TAFB> Essobi: No name brand 1080p china cameras, 1/2" CMOS, 2.8-12mm lenses, I.R. of course, WDR (freakin LOVE wdr).
[6:17] <Mentos> ah just googled
[6:17] <Mentos> its its own solution?
[6:17] <Essobi> TAFB: Ah cool.
[6:17] <TAFB> Mentos: Yep. It's a little linux box, can accept internal 3.5" hdd but mine just plays everything from the network.
[6:18] <ackthet> TAFB: Y U NO RUN LINUX?
[6:18] <TAFB> Mentos: I use it cause I need optical audio out for my surround receiver, it doesn't work properly with hdmi audio :(
[6:18] <TAFB> ackthet: On what?
[6:18] <ackthet> yoru hp's :P
[6:18] <CelticTurnip> or a BSD :P
[6:18] <Essobi> TAFB: I got some standard video out ones too I wanted to hack up. need to find something USB with RCA input that's linux friendly.
[6:18] <ackthet> mmm BSD
[6:18] <axion> i also have a 1tb 3.5 attached to mine. very few 108p videos do not stram well enough over the network for me
[6:18] <TAFB> ackthet: Like I said, they came pre-setup for me. They are doing weird live weather capture crap, lol. prolly not work on linux
[6:18] <ackthet> freebsd/openbsd dem bad boys
[6:18] * Essobi flashes nerd signs.
[6:18] <Mentos> TAFB: Is there any software that allows you to stream your laptop screen to the Aios?
[6:18] <Essobi> W0rd.
[6:19] <TAFB> The customers already picked up their 3 servers, the fourth will be goin soon :)
[6:19] <axion> my pi replaced my 10 year old athlon x2 file server
[6:19] <TAFB> Mentos: Yep, xsplit can stream it to the Aios
[6:19] <CelticTurnip> so your bedroom is a colo center?
[6:19] <ackthet> TAFB: do you offer them the service?
[6:19] <Essobi> axion: lulz
[6:19] <ackthet> and if so what service
[6:19] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: Yep
[6:20] <TAFB> ackthet: Only internet service, they administer them remotely. The three that were just running web/email I've moved over to the Pi, they don't know linux so I'm administering for them now :) lol
[6:20] <TAFB> that's scary
[6:20] <Mentos> TAFB: Could I use split to stream to my Raspmc?
[6:20] <CelticTurnip> is this the Pi you told us yesterday you had in a DMZ?
[6:20] <ackthet> TAFB: but i thought you replaced them with the Pi
[6:20] <ackthet> so the software must work on linoox
[6:20] <TAFB> ackthet: The three that were running web/email I've move over to the Pi, easy. The fourth one is doing all the weird stuff, have not even looked at it yet :(
[6:22] <CelticTurnip> I'd be pissed if someone started hosting my mail on a raspberry pi with no redundancy or backup plan
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[6:22] <ackthet> and no IOPS
[6:23] <TAFB> ackthet: IOPS? I got IOPS :)
[6:23] <ackthet> not like an HP prolient <_<
[6:23] <TAFB> lol
[6:24] <ohhmaar> Does android work on the raspi yet?
[6:24] <TAFB> we'll see how it handles it once I move the dns and everything over. If it brings the Pi to it's knees, I guess they can host them (the original servers) at their place ;)
[6:25] <Essobi> ohhmaar: sorta, but there's no accelerated video yet, iirc.
[6:25] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: why don't you set up 1 of them and virtualize everything... done
[6:25] <TAFB> ohhmaar: Nope, but you can run it on this: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1
[6:25] <ackthet> ohhmaar: some guy got adb working sort of
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[6:25] <ackthet> CelticTurnip: good call
[6:25] <ackthet> run SmartOS on those nuggets
[6:25] * Mentos (~GeorgeRiv@cpe-68-173-96-9.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Mentos)
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[6:26] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: They are too loud. There is something wrong with the Proliant with 1200watt power supply, it doesn't support monitoring or power management, everything runs 100% :( it's a known problem, hp has no fix, so I want them out of here. They can do what they want with them if the Pi dun work out.
[6:26] <ackthet> dood
[6:26] <ackthet> the power supply doesnt 'always run at 100%'
[6:26] <ackthet> by its nature it only provides what is needed
[6:26] <TAFB> rofl
[6:26] <TAFB> you're funny ackthet
[6:27] <TAFB> it's the fans, that run at 100%
[6:27] <ackthet> its physics dawg
[6:27] <TAFB> you know how loud they are at 100%?
[6:27] <ackthet> they're met for a data center
[6:27] <TAFB> i know, I know.
[6:27] <home> run everything at 100%
[6:27] <home> I approve!
[6:27] <TAFB> rofl
[6:27] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: I've worked with HP Proliant servers for over a decade, that just sounds like a faulty box to me... there are NO Proliants where the fans run 100% without issue
[6:27] <CelticTurnip> EVER!
[6:27] <TAFB> thing sounds like a jet engine, x 8
[6:28] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: Google 1200 watt dual supply proliant, read the HP article :(
[6:28] <ackthet> hehe somebody has never heard a jet engin
[6:28] <ackthet> i walked passed a C5 with its engins idling
[6:28] <TAFB> ackthet: nice :)
[6:28] <ackthet> eveybody had on max ear protection and it was still lound as <badword>
[6:28] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: or I'll just email the alliance managers at HP... why would I use Google when I have contacts at HP?
[6:28] <TAFB> ok folks, brb, gotta work on getting Citadel working :(
[6:29] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: sounds like you've got dodgy hardware, probably too much box for you :P
[6:29] <TAFB> you guys are so distracting :)
[6:29] <TAFB> lol
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[6:30] <ackthet> takes a real man to handle a big juciy box like the hp
[6:31] * intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) Quit (Quit: intothev01d)
[6:31] <CelticTurnip> so I messages my mates at HP... sure there was a customer advisory, there was also a hardware fix released you need part number 578322-B21
[6:31] <CelticTurnip> you're welcome TAFB :P
[6:31] <TAFB> serious?!?
[6:31] <TAFB> when was the fix release?
[6:32] <CelticTurnip> I should also note that I'm a server expert, and have turned down multiple jobs at HP :P
[6:32] <TAFB> ahhh, I see the part. wow.
[6:33] <CelticTurnip> basically what you're talking about is not an issue, the hardware is working properly, but if you want quiet/cost saving mode you add that :)
[6:33] <TAFB> add
[6:33] <TAFB> ahhh
[6:33] <TAFB> thanks for the info :)
[6:33] <CelticTurnip> np
[6:41] <TAFB> the new wheezy image that was released yesturday, anyone try it yet?
[6:44] <pksato> whats is new?
[6:44] <rikkib> Have they fixed the usb bugs?
[6:44] <TAFB> dunno, just saw they released a new image, 2012-12-16, didn't check into it yet.
[6:44] <TAFB> I'm runnign rpi-update right now, see if anything is new.
[6:45] <CelticTurnip> do a dist-upgrade and check it out
[6:45] * rikkib is waiting for more power supplies
[6:46] <TAFB> lucky I made a backup today: here we go, running: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[6:46] <rikkib> The two I had are now elsewhere
[6:47] <ackthet> you can just do update and dist-upgrade
[6:47] <ackthet> skip the other
[6:47] * rikkib needs sd cards to... Damn resource hungry beasts when you have 6
[6:47] <CelticTurnip> :)
[6:47] <TAFB> rikkib: I have a few extra's now that I'm runnin SSD :)
[6:47] <TAFB> My boot SD card is super old 128mb class 1 :)
[6:48] <TAFB> rikkib: Did you see my Pi pic of the day?
[6:48] <rikkib> What is SSD
[6:48] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[6:48] <TAFB> solid state disc
[6:48] <TAFB> like a super fast hard drive
[6:48] <rikkib> Looking
[6:48] <TAFB> 2.5" in size, will fit in a laptop.
[6:49] <TAFB> hence, I have one inside that laptop drive bay ;)
[6:49] <pksato> no any words about new image.
[6:49] <ackthet> TAFB: dood
[6:49] <ackthet> there are several things wrong about your statment
[6:49] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[6:49] <ackthet> 1. solid state drives have no disks
[6:50] <ackthet> 2. disc is optical media only
[6:50] <TAFB> whatever, solid state drive
[6:50] <TAFB> you know what I meant
[6:50] <TAFB> lol
[6:50] <rikkib> I like those ali cases
[6:50] <ackthet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc
[6:50] <ackthet> NO
[6:50] <ackthet> NO FORGIVENSS
[6:50] <TAFB> rikkib: If they didn't cost twice the price of the Pi, they'd be pretty popular.
[6:51] <rikkib> I bought some more aliminium when I was in the city
[6:51] <rikkib> $60NZD
[6:51] <TAFB> ok, no new firmware updates reported with rpi-update (hexxeh).
[6:51] <TAFB> Dist upgrade said: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[6:51] <rikkib> Larger U Chan to go with the 92mm U chan I am using
[6:52] <CelticTurnip> ackthet: N not even NO now
[6:52] <rikkib> 118mm
[6:53] <rikkib> That will allow me to make a larger box to fit relays in
[6:53] <TAFB> rikkib: I charted the performance difference between my SD and the SSD, I was looking for better 4k random write performance after I tested my SD :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
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[6:54] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Why do the colors keep changing :P
[6:54] * rikkib does not use the RPi like that
[6:55] <TAFB> ParkerR_: LOL! When I shrunk the graph down, you couldn't see the differnces between the light shades and the dark shades, so I had to use more different/bold colours ;)
[6:55] <rikkib> What I have set up is just streaming... To an internal end point... That end point grabs the stream, serves it up and saves jpg & swf
[6:56] <rikkib> End point is a x86 linux box
[6:57] <TAFB> rikkib: nice :) My Pi is going to host 8 webites and 30 e-mail domains, so I was doing some performance load testing with PHP and the results were less than stellar :( but with the SSD I can do 10,000 page open flood and I max out the CPU before the disk now :) woot.
[6:57] <rikkib> Fun
[6:58] <ackthet> why dont you just load balance N pi's
[6:58] <ackthet> its not like they're expensive
[6:59] <TAFB> if I wasn't a linux noob I might ;)
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[6:59] <rikkib> How busy are your web sites?
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[7:00] * PiBot sets mode +v halfhalo
[7:00] <TAFB> not busy, like 8,000 hits/mo each.
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[7:00] <rikkib> Hmmm
[7:01] * rikkib goes and looks at his log graphs
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[7:03] <rikkib> Largest number in front of me for my active site... 21526
[7:03] <TAFB> for a month? not bad :)
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[7:03] <rikkib> Lowest 10K
[7:04] <rikkib> Half would be google
[7:04] <rikkib> Legit hits would be way way lower
[7:04] <TAFB> yeah, I'm a little worried about indexing sites just flooding my PI with page requests.
[7:04] <rikkib> Block them specially ftp
[7:05] <rikkib> They will rape you... Pardon the french
[7:05] <TAFB> I don't think I'm going to open any ftp ports.
[7:05] <rikkib> Block all except google and bing
[7:06] <rikkib> I tolerate them to a point
[7:06] <rikkib> But at the same time my personal web site requires login
[7:06] <rikkib> That stops the enginme in its tracks
[7:07] <rikkib> google was hitting my calendar and indexing forever
[7:08] <rikkib> So a complained
[7:09] <rikkib> But I am sure they just went to the same same old after vinton gave them the initial hurry up
[7:10] <TAFB> something really weird is going on. If I run this in php: echo "<br /><br /><strong>This Pi's locale is set to " . shell_exec('echo `locale territory`') ;
[7:10] <TAFB> it spits out "this pi's locale is set to: ISO
[7:10] <TAFB> but when I run the same "echo `locale territory`" at the shell, it says USA!?
[7:10] <TAFB> lol
[7:11] <TAFB> only started doing that after I moved the OS to the SSD.
[7:12] <rikkib> Prolly need LOCAL to be availabl;e to the script
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[7:12] <TAFB> rikkib: not sure what you mean?
[7:12] * rikkib just a php hacker so how you make it available is beyond me
[7:13] <TAFB> lol
[7:13] <rikkib> Hang on I will go look
[7:13] <TAFB> i just removed locale usa and added canada and it didn't change :(
[7:14] <TAFB> ahhhhhhh, got it to error! locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[7:14] <TAFB> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[7:14] <TAFB> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[7:16] <rikkib> Hmmm. Pass
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[7:16] <Essobi> http://www.repyoblog.com/index.php/2012/12/raspberry-pi-and-arduino-clone/
[7:17] <rikkib> Dinner time... Home made hamburger.
[7:17] <Essobi> Nom
[7:18] <home> I wonder when I can get a credit card
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[7:23] <rex8tom0> Can I use tightvnv to mirror what I am doing on my laptop with the monitor my pi is hooked up to?
[7:23] <Essobi> home: 18 usually.
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[7:25] <shufflebot> Has anyone succesfully cooked their pi's? (resoudered?
[7:25] <shufflebot> resodered*
[7:25] <shufflebot> derp*
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[7:25] <DarkTherapy> hello!
[7:25] <TAFB> some people have, i got a long
[7:25] <TAFB> link
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[7:26] <TAFB> gough.ath.cx/?p=160
[7:26] <shufflebot> So, I've forgotten how to properly cook the rasperry pi
[7:26] <shufflebot> *raspberry
[7:26] <shufflebot> not crazy* Umm... It's having that issue where it powers off randomly
[7:27] <ackthet> toss it in the oven, preheated to 350
[7:27] <shufflebot> I was told to flip it upsidown and put it in the oven to basically drip the connection on
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[7:28] <shufflebot> argh I wish I saved the rul
[7:28] <shufflebot> *url
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[7:28] <TAFB> did you see the url I pasted above?
[7:28] <TAFB> he cooks it upside down
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[7:31] <shufflebot> TAFB: thanks
[7:31] <TAFB> no probs, good luck with your cookin
[7:31] <TAFB> I had to send back my two for replacements
[7:32] <TAFB> the replacements have been working rock solid ever since! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
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[7:36] <rymate1234> TAFB, nice case :P
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[7:37] <TAFB> rymate1234: The Pi case? or the SSD case? :)
[7:37] <rymate1234> the Pi case
[7:37] <shufflebot> ANyone done a succesful cook?
[7:37] <TAFB> haha, thx :)
[7:37] <steve_rox> wish there was a way to change pi display res without reboot
[7:37] <shufflebot> I'm kind of worried heh
[7:38] <TAFB> give er a cook, what's the worst that can happen? It's already broke.
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[7:39] <TAFB> Keep a close eye on the black plastic around the GPIO ports, as soon as you start to see it lose it's square edge/melt, you know your Pi is cooked to perfection.
[7:39] <steve_rox> and the caps pop?
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[7:41] <shufflebot> TAFB: GPIO ports?
[7:41] <TAFB> all the pins that stick out of the board, the big group of them.
[7:41] <shufflebot> mmk yeah I see
[7:42] <shufflebot> what should i cook it at 400 ?
[7:42] <shufflebot> all I have is an oven thermometer
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[7:46] <TAFB> my buddie cooked his at 500 for 2 mins once fully pre-heated. Use it on a baking sheet, on a piece of tinfoil shiny side up, with the pi on the tinfoil upside down.
[7:46] <TAFB> making tray sorry, tinfoil on the baking tray, pi on that, upside down
[7:46] <TAFB> baking
[7:46] <TAFB> lol, can't type tonight.
[7:47] <shufflebot> I take it was successful?
[7:48] <TAFB> yep, been running fine ever since.
[7:48] <TAFB> his audio jack is melted a little, be he dun use it anyway
[7:49] <shufflebot> I plan on using it
[7:49] <shufflebot> heh
[7:49] <shufflebot> or maybe just the hdmi
[7:49] <shufflebot> because Ihear the audio out is kinda eh
[7:49] <TAFB> yeah, pretty staticy
[7:49] <TAFB> the hdmi audio is flawless though
[7:49] <shufflebot> yeah so basically just dropped it in at 500 for 2 min ? heh I'll do 450 for two min and take a look
[7:50] <TAFB> yep, he pre-heated the oven, waited till it went beep, slid in his baking sheet with his pi on it quick and shut the door quick.
[7:50] <TAFB> shined a bright flashlight onto the pi/tinfoil so he could watch the plastic, and right at 2 mins he saw it start to melt and pulled it out :) he cooked it good
[7:51] <shufflebot> snazzy
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[7:51] <shufflebot> heh I just don't have a window,
[7:51] <TAFB> oh damn! lol
[7:51] <TAFB> well 2 mins at 450 should be super safe.
[7:52] <TAFB> he said the tray/rack was right in the middle of the oven.
[7:52] <shufflebot> same idea
[7:52] <shufflebot> I hope this worked, I was enjoying the few minutes of use I got out of the thing before it turned off ;p
[7:52] <xzr> why not just use the microwave? :o
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[7:52] <shufflebot> What?
[7:53] <TAFB> he's joking
[7:53] <shufflebot> lol
[7:53] <xzr> ":D"
[7:53] <TAFB> don't put metal in the microwave, ever.
[7:53] <shufflebot> Thanks, I'm not that incompetent
[7:53] <shufflebot> my brain is just fried from work
[7:53] <shufflebot> and finals week
[7:54] <rikkib> Last month I had 438 hits from links on the RPF
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[7:56] <rikkib> 158 so far this month
[7:57] <rikkib> 507 October
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[8:02] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, there is
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[8:03] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=25933&p=235862#p235873
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[8:11] <shufflebot> well the pi is in the oven
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[8:12] <TAFB> good luck!!
[8:12] <TAFB> are you going to test it tonight?!
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[8:14] <shufflebot> yeah probably
[8:14] <shufflebot> still in there
[8:15] <shufflebot> not looking
[8:15] <TAFB> lol
[8:15] <TAFB> have faith
[8:15] <shufflebot> well I check on it
[8:15] <TAFB> you running wheezy on it?
[8:15] <shufflebot> naw arch
[8:15] <TAFB> ahhh, was gonna make you test out the new wheezy image released yesturday :)
[8:15] <shufflebot> whats on it?
[8:16] <shufflebot> whats new about it?
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[8:16] <TAFB> nobody knows yet :)
[8:16] <shufflebot> ok its been abbout 3 min and I can't see it being melty
[8:17] <shufflebot> heh idk I'll have to let it cool and see
[8:17] <shufflebot> if I undercook it I'llj ust have another go
[8:17] <TAFB> dun let it cool if no melty, get er back in
[8:17] <shufflebot> heh
[8:17] <TAFB> if you let it cool though it's bad for it to keep changing temps
[8:17] <TAFB> get er in
[8:18] <TAFB> specs on the new "old" model A pi are out on rpi.org
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[8:19] <shufflebot> I think I see a little meltyness on that pin set you were talking about
[8:19] <shufflebot> but very mionr
[8:19] <shufflebot> *mionr
[8:19] <shufflebot> *minor
[8:19] <TAFB> ahhh
[8:19] <TAFB> might be cooked perfect then ;)
[8:19] <shufflebot> sweet
[8:20] <TAFB> Ahhhh
[8:20] <TAFB> the new Wheezy image has the "Pi Store" app pre-installed
[8:20] <TAFB> that's it.
[8:20] <shufflebot> lol
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[8:23] <ShiftPlusOne> megaproxy, ping?
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[8:36] <shufflebot> well it isnt dead
[8:36] <TAFB> woot
[8:36] <shufflebot> now im just running yes
[8:36] <TAFB> check tp1-tp2 voltage if you have a meter handy
[8:36] <shufflebot> seeing if it'll die in a minute or two
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[8:37] <shufflebot> well shoot!
[8:37] <shufflebot> I have to melt it again
[8:37] <shufflebot> siigh
[8:37] <shufflebot> still died
[8:37] <TAFB> Oh, that sucks :(
[8:37] <TAFB> can you measure voltage?
[8:37] <shufflebot> no-r
[8:39] <shufflebot> sigh well time to remelt
[8:39] <shufflebot> make it count this time
[8:39] <TAFB> melt er good!
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[8:41] * CelticTurnip lobs in from work
[8:41] <CelticTurnip> evening all
[8:41] <TAFB> mornin CelticTurnip :)
[8:41] <CelticTurnip> it's morning already?
[8:41] * CelticTurnip gets ready for work...
[8:41] <TAFB> 2:40am?
[8:41] <TAFB> mornin
[8:43] <CelticTurnip> :)
[8:44] <CelticTurnip> you know you've been at work too long when you're looking for a torx screw driver and can't find 1, but it's right in front of you :)
[8:44] <TAFB> shufflebot is cookin his Pi :)
[8:44] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: lol
[8:44] <CelticTurnip> baked Pi?
[8:44] <shufflebot> yeah
[8:44] <shufflebot> the first bake was undercooked
[8:44] <shufflebot> I'm hoping to get it right this time
[8:44] <CelticTurnip> :)
[8:44] <Jck_true> CelticTurnip: Own mistake for having tork screws :D
[8:44] <CelticTurnip> good luck
[8:44] <shufflebot> its hard, I have no oven window
[8:45] <CelticTurnip> Jck_true: pretty much standard with HP Proliant hardware :)
[8:45] <Jck_true> What happens when you pull too much current on the 3V3 rail?
[8:46] <Jck_true> I think I nuked one of mine :S
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[8:47] <TAFB> Jck_true: I think another user here blew his RG2 voltage regulator by doing that.
[8:48] <Jck_true> TAFB: I'll remember bringing it to work one day :) Right now it just puts out a half dim light on the PWR LED and the rest is dim...
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[8:51] * CelticTurnip sits down with FreeBDS and prepares to battle
[8:51] <CelticTurnip> FreeBSD too :P
[8:53] <CelticTurnip> and that is about how long it takes to install FreeBSD if you know what you're doing :)
[8:53] <CelticTurnip> 3 minutes... not bad
[8:53] <TAFB> on a Pi?
[8:53] <Jck_true> CelticTurnip: And in Denmark you're gonna call it FreeDSB (DSB being the danish railroad company)
[8:54] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: nah on a HP, I'm testing drives with UFS/ZFS
[8:54] <CelticTurnip> that was a UFS install, ZFS takes a lot longer ;)
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[8:55] <CelticTurnip> well the install is still 3 minutes, it's the 20+ minutes of configuring ZFS from the command line that hurts :)
[8:56] * CelticTurnip grabs another drive and gets his ZFS mirror on
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[8:58] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: you'll like this - 16GB of swap incoming ;)
[8:58] <TAFB> 16gb? nice
[8:58] <TAFB> u kno me, luv my swap
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[8:59] <CelticTurnip> I only need 8.1GB but to keep the ZFS array running properly I need a swap partition on each drive
[8:59] <TAFB> yay, my Pi fixed itself! This Pi's locale is set to Canada
[8:59] <CelticTurnip> it'll only ever get used if the core dumps :)
[8:59] <CelticTurnip> yay Pi
[8:59] <TAFB> http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[9:00] <TAFB> I think, after the duplication over to SSD, i had to get it to rebuild the locale files, then restart pancake.
[9:00] <CelticTurnip> your Pi's fixed, thes Western Digital RE4s work properly (compared to some Seagate crap I was testing before) - it's a good day all round :)
[9:00] <TAFB> are the RE4's the red ones?
[9:00] <CelticTurnip> no, they're the enterprise server drives
[9:00] <TAFB> ahhhh nice
[9:00] <TAFB> you ever try the red raid ones?
[9:01] <CelticTurnip> nah, I've considered them in the past... but I don't really have a use for them
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[9:04] * CelticTurnip starts configuring ZFS
[9:04] <shufflebot> the pi is back in the oven
[9:04] <TAFB> let er cook good.
[9:04] <TAFB> 500 this time?
[9:05] <shufflebot> yeah
[9:05] <TAFB> i think that's the trick
[9:06] <shufflebot> I think its to look for that plastic just melting a little
[9:06] <shufflebot> heh
[9:06] <shufflebot> but yeah
[9:06] <CelticTurnip> jesus! screw that :)
[9:07] <CelticTurnip> you Pi friers are too hardcore for me
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[9:09] <shufflebot> Ok yeah so I'm seeing it sweat a little on the end of the pin board as discussed earlier
[9:09] <shufflebot> so letting it cool down slowly
[9:09] <TAFB> good plan.
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[9:12] <shufflebot> CelticTurnip: It's not like it can be any less broken then it already is
[9:14] <CelticTurnip> fair call :)
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[9:16] <shufflebot> lol the plastic is a little melted
[9:17] <shufflebot> for the analog video out
[9:17] <TAFB> nice
[9:17] <TAFB> pics? :)
[9:19] <shufflebot> I'll upload it
[9:20] <shufflebot> but after I test it
[9:20] <shufflebot> it just needs to cool for a few more min
[9:20] <TAFB> sounds good
[9:20] <TAFB> I'm lovin this ssd, really makes xwindows/lxde just rip :)
[9:21] <shufflebot> heh it'l be titled "what a dead pi looks like
[9:21] <TAFB> lol
[9:21] <TAFB> over baked
[9:21] <TAFB> maybe
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[9:23] <CelticTurnip> ... and that's a ZFS mirror install done
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[9:28] <shufflebot> Its booting!!!!
[9:28] <TAFB> lol
[9:28] <TAFB> that's a start
[9:29] <CelticTurnip> :)
[9:30] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: you like pictures, check this partitioning scheme http://s10.postimage.org/jyu78dwq0/Screen_Shot_2012_12_18_at_7_28_53_PM.jpg
[9:30] <CelticTurnip> ZFS like a fox!
[9:30] <shufflebot> and it looks like its working
[9:30] <CelticTurnip> congrats \o/
[9:30] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: wow, that's some space
[9:30] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: not really, it's 500GB in total mirrored on 2 drives
[9:30] <CelticTurnip> ZFS allows you to force directories to act a certain way at the file system level
[9:31] <TAFB> ahhhh
[9:31] <TAFB> lol
[9:31] <shufflebot> yaay I have a working pi now
[9:31] <shufflebot> images on their way
[9:31] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: but it sure looks nice the first time you see it ;)
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[9:32] <CelticTurnip> now to expand out the 24K+ make files for ports and start installing crap :)
[9:33] <shufflebot> http://i.imgur.com/YtO91.jpg
[9:33] <shufflebot> yay
[9:33] <shufflebot> this thing is working
[9:33] <TAFB> lol, that port is funny :)
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[9:34] <CelticTurnip> shufflebot: you're a legend, good job :)
[9:34] <CelticTurnip> now I want to cook something electronic
[9:34] <xzr> how'd it break in the first place shufflebot ?
[9:34] <TAFB> xzr: there was a huge batch of Pi's shipped out that were improperly cooked at the factory :(
[9:34] <gabriel9|work> i got my pi
[9:34] <gabriel9|work> :)
[9:34] <xzr> oh
[9:34] <CelticTurnip> congrats
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[9:35] <gabriel9|work> what now :D
[9:35] <shufflebot> lol
[9:35] <TAFB> gabriel9|work: CONGRATS!
[9:35] <xzr> can't get those exchanged?
[9:35] <CelticTurnip> gabriel9|work: based on what I'm reading here put it in the over?
[9:35] <CelticTurnip> oven
[9:35] <shufflebot> I ordered from allied
[9:35] <TAFB> xzr: if you want to wait a few months, sure.
[9:35] <gabriel9|work> i'm joking
[9:35] <xzr> well yeah true
[9:38] <shufflebot> well now I'm a happy campter
[9:38] <shufflebot> now I'll rig it to send wol packets to my huge rackmount server and automount nfs shares
[9:38] <shufflebot> :P
[9:38] <xzr> :P
[9:39] <TAFB> shufflebot: you won't know that it's perfect till you run some quake3 on it ;)
[9:39] <xzr> I've been trying to get the gf to warm up on the idea of getting a 19" rack home but she's not too thrilled
[9:39] <shufflebot> TAFB: I've been piping yes commands to it
[9:39] <shufflebot> for a while
[9:39] <xzr> how's the q3 fps on the pi?
[9:40] <shufflebot> Besides I don't want an Xserver on it
[9:40] <shufflebot> no Xwindow
[9:40] <shufflebot> vim all the things
[9:40] <TAFB> xzr: In super high res, everything cranked it's about 20fps during heavy smoke and fire scenes.
[9:40] <shufflebot> :P
[9:40] <xzr> well, who plays quake on high gfx settings anyway
[9:40] <TAFB> xzr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_ch2qNII
[9:40] <xzr> megafps configs to make it look absolutely dire ftw
[9:40] <xzr> :P
[9:41] <TAFB> that's my vid, on max widescreen res, all texturing set to max.
[9:41] <xzr> which reminds me, need to get an emulator thing going with the pi
[9:42] <xzr> itching to play some old games
[9:42] <shufflebot> man I never thought that within 10 years you would be able to afford a computer that costs lest than the game did
[9:42] <shufflebot> that can even run it
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[9:46] <bluenazgul> morning
[9:46] <TAFB> mornin
[9:47] <bluenazgul> i used this guide to connect an LCD to my Pi running RaspBMC
[9:47] <bluenazgul> http://www.tech-fruits.com/archives/4388
[9:47] <TAFB> sweet
[9:47] <TAFB> works good?
[9:47] <bluenazgul> yeah
[9:47] <TAFB> Nice!
[9:47] <bluenazgul> is it possible to toggle the +5V pin on/off?
[9:47] <TAFB> I'd love to wire one up, so people could go to my status page and type in a message and they could see it on the PiCam! :)
[9:48] <TAFB> My status page: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
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[9:48] <TAFB> bluenazgul: I thought you could toggle pin 4 on and off? It's +5v. don't quote me on that though (and that's only on rev2 boards).
[9:49] <Jck_true> TAFB: On Rev2 boards? I don't think so...
[9:49] <bluenazgul> i have a 512MB Pi
[9:50] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-Layout-Revision-2-e1347664831557.png
[9:50] <bluenazgul> the LCD is connected like this http://www.tech-fruits.com/wp-content/uploads/boe_lcdfritz1.png
[9:51] <TAFB> i thought if you move the power wire to the left one pin, that's the controllable +5v?!
[9:51] <bluenazgul> i only need a single line code to toggle +5V on/off via putty to toogle the LCD on/off
[9:51] <shufflebot> ugh isn't the arch image have sshd enabled by default
[9:51] <TAFB> shufflebot: annoying eh! lol
[9:52] <shufflebot> no I thought it was online
[9:52] <bluenazgul> TAFB should be possible but how to toggle that pin
[9:52] <TAFB> bluenazgul: no idea, I haven't done my GPIO projects yet.
[9:52] <shufflebot> TAFB: whats annoying though is that I have it running headlessly downstairs
[9:52] <xzr> dunno about the arch image for pi but I'm running it on my laptop atm, the install process was minimal to say the least
[9:52] <shufflebot> and nmap shows all the ports are closed
[9:53] <xzr> go run for the sd!
[9:53] <shufflebot> xzr: Yeah well these images are not like a typical install
[9:54] <shufflebot> grr I have to go grab it
[9:56] <bluenazgul> mmm https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/the-gpio-utility/
[9:56] <bluenazgul> this could work
[9:57] <TAFB> yep, looks like it :)
[9:57] <Jck_true> bluenazgul: You can't toggle the 5V pins from what I know...
[9:57] <TAFB> I have wiringPi installed for my status page, but haven't played with it yet.
[9:58] <bluenazgul> JJck_true :(
[9:58] <bluenazgul> so i have to add an harware switch :(
[9:59] <Jck_true> bluenazgul: Can't you just disable it in software?
[9:59] <Jck_true> Or is it the backlight?
[9:59] <Jck_true> All Displays I've worked on got a command that will turn them off...
[9:59] <bluenazgul> the backlight and LCD uses same pin as power source
[10:00] <Jck_true> Screwed :S
[10:00] <bluenazgul> maybe i could use a transitor to to toggle the powersource with an different GPIO pin
[10:01] <bluenazgul> Jck_true look at the boe_lcdfritz1-png so i connected the lcd
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[10:02] <Jck_true> bluenazgul: Got a techsheet on the display?
[10:02] <bluenazgul> nope
[10:03] <Jck_true> Ok - I run my display without backlight anyway
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[10:17] <bluenazgul> asked @Raspberry_Pi via Twitter, lets see what they say
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[10:19] <TAFB> good luck blu, I hope you get it figured out :)
[10:21] <buZz> lol
[10:21] <buZz> the OpenTTD guys arent happy that they got put in the raspi appstore
[10:22] <bluenazgul> if not i have to use a hardware switch or use another gpio pin to controll +5V
[10:23] <shufflebot> argh doing a pacman -Syu caused a KP
[10:24] <TAFB> shufflebot: not overclocked?
[10:24] <shufflebot> nope
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[10:26] <TAFB> alright, almost 4:30am here. time for bed. nite nite :)
[10:26] <buZz> nn TAFB !
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[10:39] <Jck_true> I've made a driver for a 7-segment display - I should just drop that in the Pi store...
[10:42] <buZz> can we put software in that store?
[10:42] * buZz doubts
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[10:45] <DarkTherapy> morning all
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[10:46] <Jck_true> From what the announcement saids it seems like we can...
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[10:48] <Jck_true> "We.re hoping to see everything, from hobbyist content to full-blown commercial software."
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[11:19] <mongrol> evening
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[11:26] <neilr> Anyone know if it's possible to repair/replace the SD card holder on a pi? Being a cackhanded pillock I just snapped mine.
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> anyone used the store yet? is it just a clever front for apt-get ?
[11:26] <neilr> SD card currently clampled in place
[11:26] <neilr> working
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[11:26] <neilr> but sub-optimal I should think
[11:27] * neilr thinks: could I glue in a micro-SD adaptor?
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> neilr, superglue - for a one-time solution.. Actually, superglue a microsd card adapter in, then at least you can change the sd card...
[11:27] <neilr> Great minds...
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> indeed!
[11:27] <neilr> Right, that's this mornings project sorted out. Unless my boss is reading this.
[11:28] <neilr> Firstly tea.
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, I think it runs an install.sh and an uninstall.sh provided by the developer. Most of what's there now just used apt-get, but there's plenty that doesn't.
[11:29] <ShiftPlusOne> *uses
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> ok. I'll have a look soon. bit busy right now.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> coffee now, then off to see a client later this morning..
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[11:45] <gordonDrogon> running pistore now... via ssh -X ...
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[12:03] <Pitel> Hi, I broked plastic on my SD slot... is there some blueprint of RPi's PCB, so I can buy new one?
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[12:07] <SpeedEvil> Pitel: someone else was just recommended to super glue in a microsd adaptor
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> which does not seem insane
[12:08] <Pitel> I tried gluing some piece of plastic on top, but it didn't helped. Still, just te pwr LED is glowing.
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[12:09] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[12:10] <Pitel> also, the card-insertion connection seems to be glued, so If RPi is using that, it might be the cause.
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> even if you power cycle it while holding the SD card on?
[12:10] <Pitel> SpeedEvil: yup
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> it won't work if not ...
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[12:11] <Pitel> well, I oprdered the new revison anyway, but having 2 Pis will be nice :)
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> Hm. So loaded freeciv from the pistore, and it loaded a one-line install.sh file:
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get -y install freeciv-client-sdl
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[12:17] <nid0> not suprising that it just pulls things straight from the repo
[12:18] <nid0> vaguely interested to know if its actually doing more than that for the commercial game
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> I also installed their audio pack - that just pulls stuff from the indie repo and stuff it in the filesystem with no .deb ..
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> so they have 2 ways - install a shell script to apt-get, or install directly.
[12:18] <Davespice> folks, anyone here looking for a job? lives in London or Surrey, knows Microsoft Enterprise stuff? Private Message me.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> bypassing the .deb apt-get mechanisms...
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> it also puts it in a weird place - I had to use find to find it.. /usr/local/bin/indiecity/InstalledApps/...
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> still, at least it's all in the one place and it appears that each "app" has a .installed-files file to help with removal, if needed. (which I guess the pistore program does)
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> I'm somewhat concerend about the apparent cavalier use of sudo, however...
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> I guess that's progress for you!
[12:22] <nid0> well, if you're going to do inconvenient things like not use root then naturally you also need to provide a 4-character way to totally bypass all security benefits that doing so provides!
[12:23] <nid0> and then use it whenever possible
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> a 4-character way... Hm. Ah. win7 :)
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> the pistore is a Qt application that talk http to the back-end. I guess that's quite clever in its own little way.
[12:28] <nid0> or "sudo"
[12:28] <eni23> hello. if i want to run "udevadm info -a -p /sys/block/sda" everytime it freezes te whole raspi, not even pingable anymore. is this a known issue? (im running raspian)
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> bit slow via ssh -X though, but that's to be expected..
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> right. popping out for a bit.
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[12:48] <dr_willis> slow morning ;-)
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[14:16] <brady2600> hi guys
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[14:19] <brady2600> i have both a arduino, and a raspberry pi, and ive set it up with a webserver, have accessed it vis ssh, and tunneled vpn over the ssh , and have done all that locally aswell as via the web with a no-ip updator.. I've installed the arduino IDE and have successfully updated my enviromental automation sketch in the arduino IDE, compiled it , and have successfully uploaded
[14:20] <xrosnight> brady2600: yeah. then ?
[14:20] <brady2600> so thats all pretty cool, cause now i can remotely update my arduino project and i very much like that. However, my arduino project does have a function where I can have it receive serial commands, which subsiquently trigger specific automation routines
[14:21] <brady2600> ok so what im interested in is, is there something I can get on my raspberry pi webserver, so i can press a button on a webpage, and have it trigger the serial to send specific characters, so i can trigger my arduino over the web?
[14:21] <xrosnight> yeah
[14:22] <brady2600> like press a button, have that trigger serial to send the letter A to my arduino.
[14:22] <xrosnight> brady2600: i understand
[14:22] <brady2600> ok so it exists, it sounds like, what is .. that called?
[14:23] <brady2600> should i just search php serial arduino raspberry pi?
[14:23] <brady2600> i mean, it could work some other way but php would be in my comfort zone
[14:23] <xrosnight> i can't help though. i am also new to rasp. yeah. php is a choice
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[14:25] <brady2600> ill just wait for the endless torrent of other users chiming in on it...
[14:25] <Joeboy> brady2600: wiringPi might help you
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[14:26] <xrosnight> wiringPi, learn
[14:27] <Joeboy> brady2600: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/#comment-1116
[14:27] <Joeboy> looks like vaguely the sort of thing
[14:27] <brady2600> lol i just clicked on that vary page
[14:28] <Joeboy> great minds google alike
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[14:39] <advancednewbie> brady2600, I have a project that does just that.
[14:40] <advancednewbie> http://sourceforge.net/projects/envirocontrol/
[14:41] <brady2600> ahh man, i knew you would know the answer to that question, i just hadn't checked if you were around! yay.
[14:41] <advancednewbie> It uses PHP, a python script for arduino <--> pi communication
[14:41] <advancednewbie> and the automation is on the arduino
[14:41] <advancednewbie> I knew your name looked familiar.
[14:41] <advancednewbie> :)
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[14:43] * advancednewbie will be right back.
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[14:45] <Jck_true> brady2600: You can just pipe it to the serial device :)
[14:45] <heymaster> I trying to insert inline assembler statement: #define NOP(x) asm volatile (" .rept " #x "\n\t nop \n\t .endr \n\t") on raspberry pi C .. But get error: 21: Error: bad immediate value for offset (5456)
[14:46] <Jck_true> brady2600: /dev/ttyUSB0 < A
[14:46] <Jck_true> Ehh sorry that doesn't make sense of course :D
[14:47] <Jck_true> echo 'A' > /dev/ttyUSB0
[14:48] <brady2600> i wonder its a completely absurd idea to use an MVC framework on the raspberry pi
[14:48] <brady2600> such as code igniter
[14:49] <Jck_true> brady2600: Benchmark it and see if you get acceptable speed - :)
[14:49] <brady2600> Advancednewbie, im seriously considering integrating my project into yours.
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[14:49] <brady2600> advancednewbie: when you are back, i would love to know if you have integrated PID into any of your functions?
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[14:50] <sten_> hello
[14:50] <sten_> does boblight run on RPi?
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[14:53] <advancednewbie> I haven't done setpoints yet, just the timers, config, manual control and graphs are done
[14:53] <advancednewbie> Plan on doing it the next release.
[14:54] <advancednewbie> I was going to use a PID loop, but my stuff is just on or off with no variance in-between
[14:54] <advancednewbie> So I was just going to do on/off values
[14:54] <Jck_true> advancednewbie: I'm looking towards some of the same - Wanna write a webbased PLC interface :)
[14:54] <advancednewbie> BUT... if I were to do PID loops, there's a PID library for the arduino I'd look into.
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[14:55] <Jck_true> sten_: Did you check their page? At all? http://code.google.com/p/boblight/wiki/LPD8806_on_Raspberry_Pi
[14:55] <advancednewbie> Most of the arduino code is bulky and unorganized due to the graphical stuff I have for the touchscreen.
[14:55] <sten_> Jck_true: this is the deamon
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[14:55] <sten_> Jck_true: i wonder if i can grab video from the xbmc
[14:55] <advancednewbie> I'm considering having it all web based and getting rid of this touchscreen.
[14:56] <DarkTherapy> hello
[14:56] <advancednewbie> Those Edimax wireless adapters for the Pi are awesome for wifi
[14:56] <DarkTherapy> yeah I have one
[14:56] <advancednewbie> Tiny too
[14:56] <DarkTherapy> yep
[14:56] <DarkTherapy> got one in my siriproxy pi lol
[14:57] <linuxstb> heymaster: This may help - http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html
[14:57] <sten_> Jck_true: it seems that on can not grab video output of RPI
[14:57] <advancednewbie> Next project - CNC router
[14:57] <heymaster> linuxstb: ok thanks. i will check
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[14:58] <buZz> 14:58:14 <+sten_> Jck_true: it seems that on can not grab video output of RPI
[14:58] <buZz> i grabbed some
[14:58] <buZz> over analog
[14:59] <sten_> buZz: does it output HDMI and analog on the same time?
[14:59] <sten_> buZz: how is it realized in hardware? moar info! )
[15:00] <Jck_true> sten_: It will only output video to one destination - HDMI or composite
[15:02] <buZz> yes only one
[15:02] <sten_> hmm
[15:02] <buZz> but once its analog you can split etc
[15:02] <buZz> i have a video matrix for this
[15:02] <sten_> so no hope for me, yes?
[15:02] <sten_> wanna have 1080p
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[15:03] <buZz> there are HDMI framegrabbers
[15:03] <buZz> they are mucho mucho dinars
[15:03] <sten_> no point then
[15:03] <buZz> like this one http://www.epiphan.com/products/dvi-frame-grabbers/dvi2usb/
[15:03] <sten_> can i stream video direct to rpi?
[15:04] <sten_> over network?
[15:04] <dr_willis> i saw some hdmi xbox recorder advertised once. wonder how well it worked
[15:04] <buZz> i watched Al Jazeera on XBMC to rpi
[15:04] <buZz> over network
[15:04] <dr_willis> sten_: should be able to.
[15:04] <buZz> works fine
[15:04] <sten_> how can i do it?
[15:05] <sten_> then i will put all the vide logic somewhere elase
[15:05] * gordonDrogon waves.
[15:05] <sten_> and still have the stream with background lightning
[15:05] <buZz> its not any different from any other linux system sten_
[15:05] <sten_> buZz: /me noob, though
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[15:06] <buZz> sten_: i mean, google would be very willing to tell you stuff about it
[15:08] <sten_> buZz: https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=stream+video+to+raspberry+pi
[15:08] <sten_> not much :(
[15:08] <buZz> stream video to linux
[15:08] <sten_> not much either
[15:09] <buZz> stream video to linux : About 38,000,000 results (0.30 seconds)
[15:09] <buZz> not much?
[15:09] <DarkTherapy> does. anyone happen to have a GPS module for a Nikon camera?
[15:09] <sten_> not much on the topic
[15:09] <dr_willis> vlc perhaps.
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[15:10] <dr_willis> xbmc can do upnp/dlna also somehow. ;-)
[15:11] <sten_> xbmc does some airplay atm
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[15:12] <dr_willis> i couldent get raspbmc to see my upnp server yesterday.. need to look into that
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[15:12] <sten_> well i need to send stream
[15:13] <sten_> so i can also send the lighning data over an another udp channel
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[15:16] <sten_> still can not find any info on receiveing streams in XBMC
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[15:17] <dr_willis> only used dlna aand shares in mine
[15:17] <dr_willis> theres some plugins i recall also
[15:17] <buZz> dlna works so easy
[15:17] <buZz> there is this tool
[15:17] <buZz> called djmount
[15:17] <dr_willis> like for shoutcasr
[15:17] <buZz> you run : djmount /mnt
[15:18] <buZz> then in /mnt, you see ALL dlna/upnp shares of your network
[15:18] <sten_> the rpboelm is that i want to run vlc
[15:18] <buZz> _SO EASY_
[15:18] <buZz> yes vlc is a problem on raspi
[15:18] <sten_> and stream its output to a particular device
[15:18] <sten_> than some other stream
[15:18] <sten_> dlna is a pull for me
[15:18] <sten_> not a push
[15:19] <buZz> maybe first figure out what you want to do
[15:19] <buZz> and _then_ search solutions to do this
[15:19] <sten_> buZz: i use my rPi as a media center
[15:20] <sten_> buZz: now i want to have ambilight
[15:20] <sten_> buZz: i can control leds from rpi, no problem.. but i can not grab the screen
[15:20] <buZz> ahhh that
[15:20] <sten_> buZz: so the idea is to grab the screen somewhere else!
[15:20] <buZz> yes this is difficult if not impossible to do on raspi
[15:20] <buZz> why no do this ;
[15:20] <sten_> buZz: and send the video stream and the lights control to rpi
[15:20] <buZz> add color sensors to your raspi
[15:21] <buZz> and point them at the screen
[15:21] <buZz> read out value
[15:21] <buZz> and control leds from this value
[15:21] <sten_> buZz: delay, ugly, depend on lighting
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[15:21] <buZz> at least it would allow you to do this on the 10 year old computer the raspi is
[15:22] <sten_> buZz: well this is not a real alternative
[15:22] <buZz> ok, feel free to think of a different solution
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[15:23] <buZz> i am done with it :)
[15:23] <sten_> buZz: i told you
[15:23] <sten_> buZz: one can use RPi to receive 2 streams
[15:23] <sten_> buZz: video stream and led control stream
[15:24] <sten_> buZz: from an xbmc running somewhere else
[15:24] <sten_> buZz: like my notebook
[15:24] <sten_> buZz: now the question is - how do i stream 1080p to rPI
[15:24] <buZz> you dont
[15:24] <buZz> raspi is not fast enough
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[15:25] <sten_> lol
[15:25] <sten_> the sick solution is to play the vido tvice
[15:25] <sten_> once on rpi, and on the same time on a notebook
[15:26] <sten_> so notebook just sends the led control stream to rpi
[15:26] <sten_> or i need some divverent hardware :P
[15:26] <tanuva> does raspbmc always use pulseaudio?
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[15:44] <Hoerie> <+sten_> or i need some divverent hardware :P <-- you could preprocess the video and write a separate file that has led timings, then develope a plugin that uses that info to control leds
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[15:45] <sten_> Hoerie: yea, but than i need another cpu+gpi combination for the preprocessing
[15:45] <sten_> sounds sick...
[15:45] <sten_> Hoerie: probably a better way to get a windows based media pc
[15:45] <sten_> and use RPI only as a driver for the leds
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[15:48] <Hoerie> perhaps the pi has enough cpu power left over while decoding video to sample the framebuffer and drive the leds?
[15:48] <sten_> Hoerie: i have heared that it is imposible to grab the buffer
[15:49] <sten_> on RPi
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[15:51] <chris_99> i can't see why that'd be the case sten_
[15:51] <sten_> chris_99: boblight needs v4l
[15:51] <chris_99> i mean grabbing the framebuffer
[15:51] <sten_> http://openelec.tv/forum/85-boblightd/53483-boblight-with-raspberry-pi
[15:51] <sten_> i was reading the last post
[15:52] <mgottschlag> I am quite sure you can read the framebuffer out from gpu memory
[15:52] <mgottschlag> quite some hacking involved though
[15:53] <sten_> mgottschlag: well.... hmm we need someone with master skills to adopt boblight for that
[15:54] <sten_> mgottschlag: the post says you can not do it while playing mpeg4
[15:54] <sten_> for example
[15:54] <mgottschlag> you could manually search ram for the framebuffer image and then use direct memory access from a linux driver though
[15:55] <mgottschlag> the framebuffer has to be somewhere there, the only problem is to find it reliably
[15:55] <sten_> mgottschlag: well... hmm even during the video playback?
[15:56] <mgottschlag> it always is somewhere in the gpu portion of ram, and the arm core still has (uncached) access to that
[15:56] <mgottschlag> I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be there during mpeg4 playback
[15:57] <sten_> well for what i see is the current boblight support using v4l device
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[15:58] <sten_> cite: "The RPi has a dedicated video player, omxplayer, to decode video & audio utilizing the openmax api, the v4l library isn't used by omxplayer so the boblight-v4l has no info to analyze.
[15:58] <sten_> As Dom mention above to get Boblight client on the RPi you'll need to get the info by using openmax api."
[15:59] <mgottschlag> heh, if there is an api for it, it is even easier :p
[15:59] <Hopsy> Hi I have the same question as him: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=25875
[15:59] <Hopsy> Can someone help us?
[15:59] <mgottschlag> (easy = you don't need to write a kernel driver, only userspace code ;) )
[16:00] <sten_> mgottschlag: http://code.google.com/p/boblight/source/browse/trunk/src/clients/boblight-v4l/videograbber.cpp
[16:01] <sten_> so these parts do not work in rpi
[16:04] <Hoerie> doesn't something like ambilight simply require sampling parts of the display and turning that into a colour and brightness to drive the LED
[16:04] <Hoerie> ?
[16:04] <sten_> Hoerie: yes
[16:04] <linuxstb> mgottschlag: You obviously haven't tried to use the openmax API then ;)
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[16:05] <mgottschlag> linuxstb: is it that bad? :D
[16:05] <Hoerie> I take it openmax is really arcane and that prevents doing it?
[16:06] <sten_> Hoerie: you got the point
[16:06] <linuxstb> mgottschlag: It's extremely verbose and lacking useful code samples. But more and more people are starting to get to grips with it I think.
[16:06] <Hoerie> I suppose it is a matter of perseverence then ;-) (or waiting for more documentation/examples)
[16:07] <Hoerie> omxplayer source is available isn't it?
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[16:07] <linuxstb> But IIUC, you could insert a video splitter before the render component in the pipeline, and then do some openmax processing with the video (e.g. resize, convert colourspace), and then read that data from the CPU at the same time the video is being displayed.
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[16:07] <sten_> linuxstb: yes, but how :) i am a pretty noob :)
[16:08] <linuxstb> sten_: Learn the openmax API, or persuade someone else to do it for you.
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[16:08] <linuxstb> I don't know the specifics of how either.
[16:08] <sten_> linuxstb: and then, theoreticaly i can use openmax api calls while playing a video?
[16:09] <linuxstb> sten_: If you mean in a separate program, then no, I don't think so. It would need to be integrated with the video player.
[16:10] <sten_> so one would need to hack the osxplayer?
[16:10] <sten_> is it currently used in rpi?
[16:10] <sten_> i am using openelec/XBMC
[16:10] <Hoerie> omxplayer is the one used in xmbc afaik
[16:10] <Matt> there was a whole discussion on this yesterday :)
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[16:11] <TAFB> ohhh BABY! Pi is workin so sweet :) Got a crazy way to cache my PHP page so it loads instantly for my visitors now too! Working on it now :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[16:11] <Hoerie> what you need would be not unlike a VU meter in ffmpeg that displays audio levels, except in your case it would calc rgb levels from screen areas
[16:12] <linuxstb> omxplayer is the standalone version of the player embedded in XBMC (also called omxplayer). But they are two different things (i.e. xbmc doesn't use the standalone version of omxplayer).
[16:12] <sten_> linuxstb: damn, is there a maintainer of it or smoething?
[16:13] <linuxstb> I'm not sure. gimli is the main xbmc-on-Pi developer I think.
[16:14] <nid0> "crazy way to cache PHP"? as in, you installed an opcode cache?
[16:15] <TAFB> nid0: Nope, it pre-renders the PHP page and shows a previous version to the visitors
[16:15] <nid0> yeah, thats an opcode cache
[16:15] <TAFB> nid0: add nice, never knew
[16:16] <sten_> linuxstb: https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv
[16:16] <sten_> can you show me this omxplayer?
[16:16] <linuxstb> sten_: You'll need to find the xbmc repo, that's separate to OE
[16:17] <Hopsy> TAFB: how did you creat that!
[16:17] <linuxstb> I think the standalone omxplayer master repo is here - https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer
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[16:17] <linuxstb> And xbmc is here - https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc
[16:18] <TAFB> Hopsy: Create what exactly? lol
[16:18] <Hopsy> connected optical drive to you raspberrypi TAFB
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[16:18] <TAFB> Hopsy: It's not an optical drive ;) lol
[16:18] <Hopsy> :'(
[16:19] <linuxstb> sten_: This appears to be the xbmc omxplayer - https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/tree/master/xbmc/cores/omxplayer
[16:19] <TAFB> Check out the free space: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[16:19] <Hoerie> couldn't you use open gl es calls to do what you need?
[16:21] <Hopsy> huuh how do you guys run php
[16:21] <sten_> how can i caontact gimli?
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[16:22] <TAFB> Hopsy: I'm running Pancake with PHP5 :)
[16:22] <TAFB> https://github.com/pp3345/Pancake/wiki
[16:22] <Hopsy> cool
[16:22] <linuxstb> sten_: I think in #xbmc-rpi
[16:23] <sten_> no gimli there :(
[16:23] <sten_> atm
[16:23] <linuxstb> sten_: Yes, he comes and goes.
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[16:26] <PjotrOrial> Hi, so when I start the new pistore I get this:
[16:26] <PjotrOrial> terminate called throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
[16:26] <PjotrOrial> what(): locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid
[16:27] <PjotrOrial> anybody knows what this is?
[16:27] <sten_> so well i quess we are fucked with ambilight and rpi
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[16:27] <sten_> no way for me to learn the c woodo that deep
[16:27] <Hoerie> or you have some months of interesting work ahead of you ;-)
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> PjotrOrial, do a full apt-get update ; apt-ge tupgrade
[16:29] <scummos> does anybody want 16MB RAM chips :D
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> PjotrOrial, then re-install pistore.
[16:29] <scummos> I have plenty now
[16:30] <PjotrOrial> gordonDrogon: I already upgraded, however I did not reinstall the pistore, that would be 'dpkg-reconfigure pistore'?
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> 16MB... Gosh... I remember when ..
[16:30] <scummos> well it's 8 of them
[16:30] <sten_> Hoerie: well
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> PjotrOrial, apt-get purge pistore - then do update , upgrade, then dist-upgrade, then reinstall.
[16:30] <scummos> one one dimm
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[16:31] <TAFB> gordonDrogon: Hey hey :) Got a tricky PHP problem for ya ;)
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, ah... go on then...
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> neilr, without supergluing yourself to the Pi ?
[16:31] <neilr> Only the once, but I peeled the skin off
[16:31] <sten_> Hoerie: i think my skill wound be enuff
[16:31] <sten_> Hoerie: even though i have got an MSc in CS
[16:32] <TAFB> gordonDrogon: I want to run PHP from the terminal/putty/command line :) But, when I run "php -f index.php" it's not able to find my includes, like it's trying to look in the wrong document root :(
[16:32] <TAFB> PHP Warning: require_once(//phpChart_Lite//conf.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/local/Pancake/vhosts/default/phpChart_Lite/server/cls_conf.php on line 10
[16:32] <buZz> Msc in CS doesnt mean shit
[16:32] <Grievre> Install Python
[16:32] <Grievre> Problem Solved
[16:32] <TAFB> rofl
[16:32] <sten_> buZz: is does a bit :)
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[16:32] <PjotrOrial> gordonDrogon: same error
[16:32] <buZz> sten_: yeah it means you know how to install MS Office
[16:33] <buZz> sten_: if its american, probably not even that
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, Hmmm tricky... maybe use the full path?
[16:33] <Hoerie> <+buZz> sten_: yeah it means you know how to install MS Office <-- hyperbole much
[16:33] * buZz has maintained code written by fresh Msc CS ppl
[16:33] <buZz> it was _hell_
[16:33] <sten_> buZz: german one, Dipl.-Inform. to be precise
[16:33] <buZz> ok, german is slightly better ;)
[16:33] <TAFB> gordonDrogon: like the absolute real path instead of document root path? i'll try that :)
[16:33] <Hoerie> anecdotes don't prove theories ;-)
[16:33] <buZz> Hoerie: yes they do
[16:33] <sten_> buZz: still i did only theory
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, no idea, I'm just making it up...
[16:33] <buZz> this one time, at bandcamp
[16:34] <sten_> buZz: and had much fun
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> PjotrOrial, sorry - at a loss here then.
[16:34] <buZz> sten_: fun \o/
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> TAFB, if it's a system include (I don't recognise it) then you might need to look in your php.ini file to make sure the include paths are right.
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[16:35] <PjotrOrial> gordonDrogon: ok got the answer, should have googled first :/ I assumed it was pi specific http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/30029
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[16:35] <buZz> pfff
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[16:35] <sten_> buZz: it was funny, actually, i love doing algorithms and other stuff...
[16:35] <deafanon> which easy-to-install XBMC should I use? xbian / raspbmc / openelec / other? I've done some research & can't decide which is best :(
[16:36] <Hoerie> define 'best'
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[16:38] <deafanon> easy to install & responsive XBMC GUI
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> PjotrOrial, that's an odd one!
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[16:39] <Hoerie> what is responsive to me might not be to you; I find raspbmc to fine
[16:39] <Hoerie> +be
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> PjotrOrial, I guess they never thought about other locales...
[16:39] <deafanon> Hoerie: thanks, I'll give raspbmc a whirl
[16:39] <dr_willis> raspbmc and openelec play better then raspian does
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[16:40] <dr_willis> raspbmc is not as locked down. compared to openelec
[16:40] <scummos> heh, now this DIMM is almost completely disassembled :D
[16:40] <scummos> nice
[16:40] <scummos> and there's 4x 220 ohm SMD resistors on it, how useful (4 of them in one package)
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[16:41] <scummos> the caps are probably useless tough unless you want to measure them :(
[16:42] <sraue> define "locked down"
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[16:44] <dr_willis> i dont think you can get to a shell, or ssh server with openelec
[16:44] <dr_willis> i need to set up each to compare more
[16:44] <sraue> but there is a ssh server with a shell... there is support to start own scripts etc...
[16:44] <dr_willis> been using raspbmc this week
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[16:46] <sraue> samba is installed, and well configured... all in all openelec is meant to be almost ready configured in a usefull way
[16:46] <dr_willis> i did notice raspbmc did not see my upnp servers.
[16:46] <Hoerie> for me openelec looked like more of a hassle to install from windows, so I went for raspbmc
[16:46] <PjotrOrial> Somebody interested in a game on raspberry ? Have a look at http://www.flarerpg.org/ or https://github.com/clintbellanger/flare-engine
[16:46] <PjotrOrial> I am not yet sure about the performance. (I am currently compiling it myself)
[16:46] <Hoerie> it plays music and video, so it suffices
[16:46] <dr_willis> got a new sd card for testing openelec this weekend
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[16:47] <dr_willis> openelec has a script to install. so ita a little weirder then how raspbmx did it
[16:50] <sraue> but openelec is installed and ready to run in not more then 5min
[16:50] <sraue> while raspbmc is downloading a whole distro
[16:51] <sraue> also you only run this 1 time, and never again, except you prepare another card
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[16:55] <Hoerie> <+sraue> also you only run this 1 time, and never again, except you prepare another card <-- does it update, or do you need to create a new image every time?
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[16:58] <sraue> you can update and downgrade OpenELEC with putting 4 files (2 files + 2 checksum files) on a samba share and reboot - also see: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Updating_OpenELEC
[16:58] <sraue> also there is a autoupdate for release builds
[16:58] <sraue> you dont loose any content/settings on updating
[16:58] <Hoerie> the how to install from windows wiki page seems a bit bare though ;-)
[16:59] <linuxstb> sraue: What about things like the Pi bootloader/GPU firmware? Do they get updated?
[16:59] <sraue> linuxstb, yes they will be updated/downgraded too
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[16:59] <linuxstb> sraue: How? I thought the update was just kernel.img and SYSTEM?
[16:59] <confusid> is there a link for the gpu code used?
[17:00] <sraue> linuxstb, they are included in SYSTEM, on update KERNEL and SYSTEM will be replaced on /flash, then SYSTEM will be mounted, the firmware will be replaced, then the system reboots
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[17:01] <sraue> in this way we have always the working/correspondending firmware/bootloaderfiles installed
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[17:03] <TAFB> nid0: I see that opcode cache doesn't work for php pages with a static.php file but constantly changing output :( It always detects "page not changed, loading cached" even though, if it actually looked at the output, not the physical.php file, it would see that it's changed :( I guess back to my original idea... if only I could get the php command line working for my php page :(
[17:03] <nid0> huh?
[17:04] <sraue> linuxstb, https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/initramfs/sysutils/busybox-initramfs/scripts/init line 301-317 and 437-440
[17:04] <TAFB> nid0: there's some problem with the document root in my pages PHP plugins or something: http://pastebin.com/0LYa0Zxe
[17:04] <linuxstb> sraue: Excellent, thanks. Is this a new feature?
[17:04] <nid0> TAFB: the "huh?" was your comments on using an opcode cache
[17:04] <TAFB> nid0: they run fine in Pancake, but not through command line "php -f index.php"
[17:05] <TAFB> nid0: I instealled eaccellerator
[17:05] <TAFB> nid0: And it refuses to update the cached content, it just thinks, because the actual index.php file hasn't changed, that it doesn't need to regenerate the content.
[17:05] <nid0> an opcode cache will cache the compiled output of a php script and serve it as long as the file hasnt changed, the fact that inputs and outputs may change doesnt matter, and isnt affected by using an opcode cache in the least
[17:05] <sraue> hmm... https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/commit/17aec04fc9078f59a9103ec73e5709d52836261a 6. August - not very old, but old enough
[17:05] <nid0> TAFB: thats because it doesnt need to
[17:06] <TAFB> nid0: The pre-rendered content it caches is old, I need it to update every few seconds, not sit static.
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[17:06] <nid0> why would it sit static?
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[17:07] <TAFB> nid0: because it sees that the index.php file hasn't changed, so doesn't regenerate the content, just keeps serving up the same content from 10 seconds ago
[17:07] <nid0> yes, because if the index.php file itself hasnt changed, it doesnt need regenerating. whatever inputs may go into the file, or outputs that come out of it, are entirely separate
[17:08] <TAFB> nid0: the index.php file makes exec_shell calls to dynamically spit stuff on the php page every time it loads (that's why the original php file takes so long to load/display). The index.php file never changes, but the content it spits out is different every time the page loads. With eaccellerator, it just spits out the same content over and over, forever.
[17:10] <Matt> you're doing execs to generate content?
[17:10] <atouk> cacheing dynamic pages is the stupidest idea ever
[17:11] <TAFB> atouk: I have an amazing mind blowing way to do it, but I need php working on my command line for it to work :(
[17:11] <nid0> something else is causing that, because the exec will be rerun every time the page is executed
[17:11] <Matt> caching dynamic pages is a bit of an art
[17:11] <Matt> but it can be perfectly valid, depending on how volatile the source page is
[17:12] <TAFB> nid0: I verified, exec does not run, eaccellerator just spits out the HTML code, doesn't run the php file at all... basically "if .php file unchange, display cached html output"
[17:12] <Matt> it's pretty common to stick something like varnish in front of something like zope/plone
[17:12] <linuxstb> sraue: Where would the update files go if I wanted to copy with scp?
[17:12] <nid0> TAFB: something else is causing that, you're applying a misconception of how opcode caches work to fit what you're seeing
[17:12] <nid0> opcode caches cache the input opcode from a php file, not the html output
[17:12] <nid0> and they run the cached opcode as normal when a page is requested
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[17:13] <TAFB> nid0: Possibly. From what I can see, eaccellerator caches the output, the "pre-processed" php file, just the html output. Maybe it works different.
[17:13] <sraue> linuxstb, they are included at buildtime, and will be updated/downgraded only with a update
[17:13] <TAFB> Matt: I'm trying to cache this page: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[17:14] <sraue> linuxstb, otherwise you must replace manually on /flash
[17:14] <TAFB> it's obviously 100% dynamic, changes on every load, but that's not super important.
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[17:14] <atouk> if your'e going to rebuild the page at say 5 minute intervals, then go ahead and cache, but caching on-demand pages is just doing teh same work twice
[17:14] <TAFB> atouk: I want to rebuild the page, a little sooner than 5 mins, but I for sure don't want it rebuilding for every hit, every visitor, like it is now
[17:15] <linuxstb> sraue: No, I mean where would I put kernel and system if I wanted to copy them via scp? The wiki only mentions using smb.
[17:15] <TAFB> atouk: If I can get that webpage to load from the command line, I can show you how amazing it will work ;)
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[17:17] <atouk> the let php do it's own caching. hint:ob_start();
[17:17] <sraue> linuxstb, /storage/.update, you must maybe create the folder the first time, it will be autocreated if you access via samba
[17:17] <TAFB> atouk: I would like to do my own caching, I think I can use it for many other purposes, I would like to get it working.
[17:18] <TAFB> atouk: How hard can it be to fix the document root in that conf_cls.php file? :(
[17:18] <linuxstb> sraue: OK, thanks.
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[17:19] <TAFB> atouk: I know you're just about fed up with phpChart :)
[17:19] <atouk> the start with php.ini. learn it, love it, configure it
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[17:20] <TAFB> atouk: AHHHHHHHH! Never mind, I figured it out. I just won't cache phpChart, it can generate that chart when the actual page loads, shouldn't take much time :) WOOT!
[17:21] <TAFB> ok... on to page cache development :)
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[17:50] <TAFB> atouk: Can you tell me a little about how the microtime page loading counter works? It's caching the page rendering time, which is of course dumb, so I'd like to move the page render time to outside the cached part of the page.
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[17:51] <biberao> hi
[17:51] <biberao> finally i ordered my rasppi
[17:51] <TAFB> biberao: CONGRATS!
[17:51] <biberao> thanks
[17:51] <TAFB> biberao: What are your plans for it? :)
[17:52] <biberao> movies
[17:52] <biberao> and some electronics
[17:52] <TAFB> nice, xbmc media server? :)
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[17:52] <biberao> yup
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[17:52] <TAFB> biberao: I haven't tried that on either of my Pi's. I've got an Aios media player box I'm super happy with.
[17:52] <biberao> ah
[17:52] <biberao> im poor
[17:52] <biberao> .P
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[17:53] <TAFB> biberao: I'm sure it'll work awesome :)
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[17:53] <biberao> i hope so
[17:53] <biberao> i just found out that
[17:54] <biberao> i dont require a usb hub for an external harddisk
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[17:55] <TAFB> biberao: If the hard disk has it's own power supply, then no. If it's a 2.5" one that's powered by USB the Pi won't run it without some soldering ;)
[17:55] <biberao> damn
[17:55] <biberao> ill need one usb hub then
[17:55] <biberao> :|
[17:56] <TAFB> here's a good page on how to squeeze more power out of the Pi's USB ports: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[17:56] <TAFB> this is the best/most powerful way (without back powering): http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[17:56] <TAFB> make sure you have a super high quality MicroUSB cable (minimum 24 gauge power wires): http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5458&seq=1&format=2
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[17:57] <TAFB> and a good USB power supply as well (2amp/10watt minimum) and you'll be able to power your hard drive right from the Pi
[17:57] <biberao> you mean usb power supply
[17:57] <biberao> on the usb hub?
[17:57] <TAFB> I'm powering an SSD drive right from my Pi, did the wire bridge in the pic I linked out above. SSD's draw a little less than a regular hard drive though ;) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[17:58] <TAFB> I meant if you weren't using a Hub
[17:58] <TAFB> the Pi has to get it power from somewhere, usually a USB power supply plugged into the wall (iPhone charger, etc.)
[17:58] <biberao> i bought a microusb
[17:58] <biberao> charger
[17:58] <TAFB> how many amps/milliamps?
[17:59] <biberao> Micro USB power supply 5V, 1.2A, EU
[17:59] <TAFB> it'll say right on it, look for "5v output:"
[17:59] <TAFB> ahhh, not bad.
[17:59] <biberao> im getting a hub though
[17:59] <TAFB> to run an external drive right from the Pi you should try and find one with a 2amp or 2.1 amp raiting.
[17:59] <TAFB> Oh, if you're getting a POWERED usb hub, it'll have it's own supply ;)
[18:00] <biberao> that was the only one available
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[18:00] <biberao> yes i know
[18:00] <biberao> i might get a keyboard also
[18:00] <TAFB> keyboard don't draw much power, if it messes up when connected to your hub, plug it right into the Pi
[18:01] <biberao> but i need to control the pi
[18:01] <biberao> at the same time it will run the hdd
[18:01] <biberao> right
[18:01] <biberao> .P
[18:01] <TAFB> yeah, but your Pi will have 2 usb ports no? One for the hub, one for the keyboard ;)
[18:01] <TAFB> your hard drive will plug into the hub ;)
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[18:02] <biberao> really?
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[18:03] <biberao> i thought there was only one
[18:03] <biberao> port
[18:03] <biberao> lol
[18:03] <TAFB> on the new Pi's, 512mb ver 2, it's got two ports :)
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[18:03] <TAFB> on the old Pi's, version A, had one port.
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[18:04] <chithead> the model b pis came before model a
[18:04] <biberao> chithead:
[18:04] <biberao> depends
[18:04] <biberao> there was a model a
[18:04] <biberao> before b and theres a new model a
[18:04] <biberao> TAFB: i have a 512mb
[18:04] <biberao> coming soon
[18:05] <biberao> Raspberry Pi Model B Revision 2.0 - 512MB
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[18:05] <TAFB> that's the one with two ;)
[18:05] <TAFB> woot
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[18:06] <biberao> cool
[18:06] <biberao> then im happiere
[18:06] <biberao> the guy whos selling me the pi
[18:06] <Kane> hi here
[18:06] <biberao> said i could run a keyboard plus external hdd
[18:06] <biberao> yo Kane
[18:06] <Kane> \o biberao
[18:06] <biberao> it will be easier then
[18:06] <TAFB> biberao: Did you see my super awesome Pi status page? Runs right from my Pi :) http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
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[18:07] <biberao> nice
[18:07] <TAFB> thx :)
[18:07] <biberao> TAFB: i will require your help
[18:07] <TAFB> biberao: I'm a noob ;)
[18:07] <biberao> man
[18:07] <biberao> you bought the mpeg2
[18:07] <biberao> licence?
[18:08] <TAFB> MPG2=disabled
[18:08] <TAFB> nope
[18:08] <biberao> i should buy it
[18:08] <TAFB> only if you're going to be playing dvd stuff.
[18:08] <TAFB> just re-encode to h264 and don't buy it
[18:08] <biberao> i dont play dvd
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[18:08] <TAFB> you don't need mpeg codec for anything you download off the net
[18:09] <TAFB> 720p
[18:09] <TAFB> 1080p
[18:09] <TAFB> etc.
[18:09] <biberao> i cant wait till thursday
[18:09] <biberao> :|
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[18:10] <dr_willis> lovely how the consumers have to buy things like lucenses over and over. ;-)
[18:10] <biberao> i should do some electronic projects
[18:10] <ReggieUK> dr_willis, indeed but at least the way the foundation did it, we got the choice
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[18:11] <dr_willis> im not even sure what that ac-? license is for.
[18:11] <biberao> i need buy
[18:11] <biberao> cheap sd cards
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[18:12] <biberao> any of you buy
[18:12] <biberao> stuff from china?
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[18:13] <TAFB> biberao: Every day, usually from aliexpress/alibaba
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[18:13] <biberao> no problems
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[18:13] <biberao> with customs?
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[18:14] <TAFB> pfft, lol. for some reason they always mark it "commercial gift" or "sample" so I never pay tax, duty or customs fees. I'm in Canada, so customs is pretty relaxed about stuff from China, compared to some other places.
[18:14] <biberao> i might get a tablet frm there
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[18:16] <dr_willis> ordered somthing from china once. my credit card company called me toverify it was a legit charge. ;-)
[18:16] <biberao> oh cool
[18:16] <biberao> dhgate.com
[18:16] <biberao> do you know?
[18:17] <TAFB> yeah, dhgate I haven't had good luck with. Slow communication and a lot of people on there have huge MoQ's (minimum order quantity).
[18:17] <biberao> a guy i know bought this
[18:18] <biberao> http://www.dhgate.com/star-n9776-smart-phone-note-ii-6-0-inch-android/p-ff808081359ed8e20135af57fa4f7c6e.html#s1-1-null
[18:19] <TAFB> freaky. I hate ordering phone from China, I never know if they'll work with the providers here! lol
[18:19] <biberao> Wholesale - Star N9776 Smart Phone Note II 6.0 Inch Android 4.0 MTK6577 Dual Core 3G GPS Bluetooth 8.0 MP Camera
[18:19] <biberao> then you scroll down
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[18:20] <biberao> and you see its 5MP-8MP
[18:20] <biberao> lol
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[18:20] <TAFB> it could be 5mp for front camera, 8mp for rear?
[18:21] <biberao> http://image.dhgate.com/albu_281473601_00/1.0x0.jpg <- lol
[18:21] <dr_willis> lovely use of the term -note 2
[18:21] <biberao> damn
[18:21] <biberao> i should get one
[18:21] <biberao> :|
[18:21] <biberao> im so scared though
[18:21] <biberao> :|
[18:23] <dr_willis> prepaid credit cards. ;-)
[18:23] <dr_willis> if you dont trust the company
[18:23] <biberao> but
[18:23] <biberao> what about the money?
[18:23] <biberao> |:
[18:24] <dr_willis> 'would you like frys with that.....'
[18:24] <biberao> sorry?
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[18:25] <TAFB> biberao: Just pay em through paypal, you're covered up to $500
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[18:25] <biberao> for real?
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[18:25] <TAFB> yep, I've had to use it twice, one was $380 monitor that was bad, seller refused to communicate with them/me, boom, instant refund.
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[18:26] <axion> has anyone successfully compiled and executed the opengles examples?
[18:26] <biberao> TAFB: not ebay right
[18:27] <TAFB> biberao: not sure what you mean?
[18:27] <biberao> i mean
[18:27] <biberao> you didnt buy those on ebay
[18:27] <Kane> oh, the raspberry have it's own app store now ? interessting :3
[18:28] <TAFB> one of the disputes was a purchase from ebay, the other was from buyincoins.com
[18:28] <TAFB> with paypal, doesn't matter where you're buying it from.
[18:28] <confusid> whats with the buy codecs from them? Why cant I use the normal method of using codes? Is it hardware controlled now?
[18:29] <nid0> theyre licenses to use the hardware decoding capabilities of the gpu
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[18:29] <nid0> you can ofc use any software codecs you like
[18:29] <biberao> TAFB: on ebay the rules seem different
[18:30] <biberao> Kane: you can buy stuff now?
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[18:30] <TAFB> biberao: Doesn't matter, if you pay by paypal, it's their rules, not ebays. The dispute goes through paypal.
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[18:30] <Kane> don't know biberao, i have just see a news about it right now
[18:30] <biberao> TAFB: so im covered
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[18:30] <biberao> i just spent 80euros on my pi
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[18:31] <TAFB> biberao: that's the way to do it ;)
[18:31] <confusid> nid0: oh so if I want to use the software then no worries?
[18:31] <TAFB> I've got about $300 into my Pi :)
[18:31] <biberao> TAFB: 2 days i hope
[18:31] <biberao> .)
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[18:34] <SpeedEvil> TAFB: the rules for PayPal transactions through eBay differ a bit.
[18:35] <SpeedEvil> eBay does own PayPal
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[18:42] <Armand> I'm going to buy a 12v transformer soon, to act as a backup power supply for my Pi project. ^_^
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[18:43] <Adnauseam> ello, anyone using xmonad on the pi ?
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> home time
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[18:44] <Armand> TAFB, my project has cost about $185, so far..
[18:45] <biberao> bye
[18:45] <TAFB> Armand: Nice :) No SSD?
[18:45] <biberao> SpeedEvil: so i was right?
[18:45] <biberao> :P
[18:45] <Armand> Nope, I used a class2 8GB SD I had sitting around. :P
[18:46] <TAFB> Armand: sweet. Did you see my cool Pi pic with the SSD?
[18:46] <Armand> I haven't.
[18:46] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
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[18:47] <Torikun> oi
[18:49] <Armand> TAFB, lemme get this right.. you've put an SSD in that external DVD casing ?
[18:49] <TAFB> Armand: 100% correct ;)
[18:49] <Armand> Ok..
[18:49] <TAFB> you can even eject the tray and the SSD stays connected, I used retractable USB cable ;)
[18:49] <Armand> Nice. :)
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[18:50] <TAFB> it works great :) Check out the performance over my super fast SD card (expecially 4k random write): http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
[18:50] <Armand> My Pi units will be simple headless..
[18:50] <TAFB> all my Pi's are headless too :)
[18:51] <Torikun> what do you do with yuor pis TAFB
[18:51] <Armand> Holy heck.. that's good!
[18:51] <TAFB> Armand: Still super sucky for SSD, but over usb 2.0, on the Pi? I think it's great.
[18:51] <Armand> It's an improvement, obviously..
[18:51] <TAFB> Torikun: My main Pi is a web server for 8 websites and e-mail server (webmail/smtp/pop3/spam filter) for 30 e-mail domains.
[18:52] <Torikun> wow
[18:52] <Torikun> heavy load?
[18:52] <Armand> On one Pi ?
[18:52] <TAFB> Torikun: I haven't done full load testing yet, the DNS of the e-mail and domains is still pointing to the original 1200watt monster servers in my house :)
[18:52] <Armand> O_O
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[18:52] <TAFB> I should save enough on my electricity bill in one month, to pay for the Pi ;)
[18:52] <Torikun> ah
[18:53] <Torikun> lol
[18:53] <Armand> I don't pay bills here... but I dread to think what my old servers would consume. :P
[18:53] <TAFB> Torikun: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[18:53] <Torikun> I wish the pi was x86 compativle, I would like to play with tftboot
[18:53] <tanuva> TAFB: do you really save doing that compared to rackspace?
[18:53] <Torikun> Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000
[18:53] <TAFB> Torikun: If you look at that status page, under CPU hogs, you can see it's not udner much load now ;)
[18:54] <TAFB> Torikun: hmmm, works for me?
[18:54] <TAFB> maybe your port 8000 is blocked
[18:54] <Torikun> I can see a cached version from google only
[18:54] <Torikun> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[18:54] <Torikun> 106 degrees is hot
[18:54] <TAFB> that defeats the purpose, live is where it's at ;)
[18:55] <TAFB> Torikun: For the Pi? lol, nope! Most people I see average around 50c!
[18:55] <Armand> TAFB, looks good.
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[18:55] <TAFB> thanks Armand :)
[18:55] <Armand> My Pi doesn't really get any demand placed on it..
[18:55] <Armand> I'm just happy that it works as planned. :P
[18:55] <TAFB> yeah, my first two Pi's were bad
[18:55] <TAFB> I was starting to lose hope :(
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[18:56] <Armand> Well, I think the page loading is slow... but I wondered if it's just me?
[18:56] <TAFB> Armand: It's very slow, because it generates all those values in real-time, on page load
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[18:56] <TAFB> I'm converting the page to cache the values right now, so it'll load instantly.
[18:56] <Armand> Try it and see how quick it loads, please.. www.baked-pi.co.uk
[18:57] <TAFB> not bad, 3 seconds maybe.
[18:57] <Torikun> TAFB: ok it worked on my non-work laptop
[18:57] <TAFB> but canada has a super crap connection to the UK.
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[18:57] <Armand> Ohh, that's not too bad.
[18:57] <Torikun> its running hot
[18:57] <TAFB> Torikun: told you it was blocking port 8000 ;)
[18:58] <TAFB> Torikun: I dunno what you're talking about. The Pi goes into thermal slow down at 70c, I'm at 40c? hot? lol.
[18:58] <Armand> I'd like to get more activity on mine.. maybe some convos running in forum, but I can't think of anything to post.
[18:58] <TAFB> everyone else that posts up their numbers, are all like 50-53c if it's not in a case, upwards of 60c if in case.
[18:58] <Torikun> 104 seems hot
[18:58] <Armand> I'm only waiting on money to start phase 2.. nothing to do until then.
[18:58] <Armand> Mine is cased.. 45c is the max I've seen
[18:59] <TAFB> Armand: Nice. Overclocked?
[18:59] <Armand> Nope
[18:59] <Armand> Entirely stock. :P
[18:59] <TAFB> I was referring to people running at 850-100-ghz ;)
[18:59] <TAFB> 1000
[18:59] <Armand> I have no reason to OC it..
[18:59] <TAFB> With my Pi at 1ghz, it's 42% faster :)
[19:00] <Armand> Besides, I don't want to increase the power draw.. I'll be using this with solar. ;)
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[19:00] <TAFB> Armand: Yeah, power draw increases quite a bit due to feeding higher cpu voltage, etc.
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[19:00] <Armand> Exactly.. no good for me.
[19:00] <Torikun> I did not notice much speed performance with testing out running Midori browser
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[19:00] <Armand> I'll get the backup power done soon, next few weeks?
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[19:01] <TAFB> nice
[19:01] <pycoderf> greetings all. does anyone know of an irc server software i can load onto my pi
[19:01] <Armand> I'm hoping I might get to keep it at work. ;)
[19:01] <TAFB> Armand: If you want to see how fast my page would load from cache, try
[19:01] <Essobi> pycoderf: .... ircd?
[19:01] <TAFB> oh, ummm. that won't work
[19:01] <TAFB> lol
[19:01] <TAFB> one sec.
[19:01] <Essobi> lol
[19:01] <Armand> TAFB, internal IP :P
[19:01] <pycoderf> Essobi: i was asking as i am not sure if any exist or are not to hard to configure
[19:01] <TAFB> http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/indexgenerated.php
[19:01] <pycoderf> not that i am scared of workingto get something working
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[19:02] <Armand> TAFB, not even 2 seconds
[19:02] <TAFB> nice
[19:02] <Armand> I have a working drupal site, with MySQL.. but I only run that one site.
[19:03] <TAFB> on the Pi?
[19:03] <Armand> Yes
[19:03] <TAFB> nice
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[19:03] <Armand> It was the easiest way for me. :P
[19:03] <pycoderf> i am thinking of doing a small mumble server and maybe irc on mypi. currently working with raspbmc but i dont really us that
[19:03] <Torikun> how many peopel would connect to your irc server?
[19:03] <pycoderf> probably only maybe 10 or less
[19:04] <Armand> I was thinking of adding an IRC server to my domain, but I don't see much point.
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[19:05] <Torikun> I really wish raspberryPI was x86
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[19:06] <Torikun> it would make everything so much easier/better
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[19:06] <dr_willis> and need more power.. and more $$...
[19:06] <Torikun> ah
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[19:07] <dr_willis> they have really tiny x86 mbs
[19:07] <Torikun> It would be nice to have flash and be able to make it a better thin client
[19:08] <dr_willis> adobe is trying to kill off flash as quick as they can
[19:08] <jelly1> Torikun: flash sucks
[19:08] <Torikun> I heard from somewhere in Adobe that they are goign to replace flash with someone else
[19:08] <Torikun> that is what the girl said in the bar
[19:08] <Torikun> I know flash sucks, I hate it
[19:08] <pycoderf> flash and java can both go die in a fire
[19:08] <Torikun> but it be nice to go to any website
[19:08] <jelly1> Torikun: so stop using it :P
[19:08] <Torikun> FLash consumes over 1GB of memory on my Macbook
[19:08] <Torikun> and makes it run hot
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[19:09] <pycoderf> how safe is running raspi-update to update the actual pi firmware or am i misunderstanding what it does
[19:09] <jelly1> Torikun: so it wouldnt even work on the Pi
[19:09] <Torikun> Yeah
[19:09] <Armand> TAFB, Once I've got the backup supply done and working, I'll probably get the mounts to install my solar panels made.
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[19:17] <TAFB> pycoderf: sudo raspi-update is fine
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[19:17] <TAFB> don't forget too: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:19] <pycoderf> i actually dont use raspbian on the pi, currently the card i have is raspbmc BUT the one in the mail today will be raspbian i think as i want to setup some servers on it
[19:19] <pycoderf> though i did read freebsd has an arm port which might be interesting to use
[19:20] <pycoderf> has anyonetried that out at all by chance?
[19:21] <pycoderf> i dont need a gui or alot of extras that come with raspbian
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[19:21] <TAFB> pycoderf: If you boot up berryboot, it'll show you pretty much all the Linux versions that'll run on the Pi :)
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[19:21] <pycoderf> can i get that from the site or is it not a full image
[19:22] <TAFB> ok peeps, crontab, is the minimum you can make it repeat a job is ever 1 minute? I need a job to repeat faster :(
[19:22] <sten_> hey, anyone here who has idea of openmax subsystem of RPI?
[19:22] <TAFB> pycoderf: It's a tiny file, you put on your SD and it boots in the Pi. Needs network cable in the Pi
[19:22] <samuel02> does anyone have experience from giving power to the pi from a monitor usb?
[19:22] <TAFB> samuel02: I power it from my TV usb ;)
[19:23] <samuel02> TAFB, so it shouldn't be any problem to just plug it into my monitor?
[19:23] <schemanen> some TV can provide 500mA and some more, I have tryed a Y cable and reached 1A and that worked
[19:24] <samuel02> ok
[19:24] <TAFB> My TV says right on the port, 1.5A :)
[19:24] <TAFB> the quality of your MicroUSB cable is very important too
[19:24] <samuel02> this is not a TV though, regular computer screen
[19:24] <schemanen> 500mA will probably dont be enough if you stress the pi too much
[19:24] <samuel02> TAFB, really?
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[19:24] <TAFB> minimum 24 gauge power wires is best: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5458&seq=1&format=2
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[19:25] <TAFB> what the Pi does with a crappy microUSB cable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw
[19:26] <pksato> cable and F3 polyfuse.
[19:26] <TAFB> pksato: In that video, F3 is bridged ;)
[19:27] <samuel02> I see, thanks
[19:27] <sten_> hey, anyone here who has idea of openmax subsystem of RPI?
[19:27] <pksato> Last night I replace F3 for one rated to 1600mA.
[19:28] <kenny> anyone know how to tell what ABI an arm library is compiled for?
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[19:28] <TAFB> pksato: Why run F3 at all?
[19:29] <samuel02> what is F3?
[19:29] <pksato> protection.
[19:29] <TAFB> it's a special type of protection fuse called a polyfuse
[19:29] <TAFB> it limits the power available to your Pi, it's usb ports, etc.
[19:29] <TAFB> to squeeze more power to the USB ports and/or reduce the voltage drop to the Pi you can bridge it to disable it.
[19:29] <pksato> and moved original F3 to F2 (usb)
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[19:30] <TAFB> pksato: I'm running 512mb b ver2, no f2 poly's for me :)
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[19:32] <rikkib> TAFB, Do you know the mtbf (Mean time before failure) of the ssd you use?
[19:33] <pksato> I donw know if pcb tracks on v1 can support higher currents. And I dont like to see my RPi smoke.
[19:34] <TAFB> rikkib: yep, one sec, was on the box
[19:35] <TAFB> rikkib: MTBF - 2.5 million hours
[19:35] <rikkib> Thanks
[19:35] <rikkib> That is a lot of hours
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[19:35] <pksato> SSD? need do check write cycle.
[19:35] <TAFB> how many days/months/years? ;)
[19:38] <Torikun> learn about tmpfs for /var/log and other locations to save your ssd =)
[19:38] <Torikun> write logs to ram to save writes
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[19:40] <TAFB> hey linux experts :) I need help with a piped command, need one thing to run righ after the other, like: watch -n5 cp /usr/tmp/file1 /usr/tmp/file1.old | cp /usr/tmp/file2 /usr/tmp/file1
[19:40] <TAFB> but when I run that, it just does the one copy, then the other, not really making watch run them in a loop :(
[19:40] <rikkib> &&
[19:40] <TAFB> ahh :)
[19:41] <TAFB> Ok, If I run: watch -n5 cp /usr/tmp/file1 /usr/tmp/file1.old && cp /usr/tmp/file2 /usr/tmp/file1
[19:41] <TAFB> it only runs the first part of the command, before the && :(
[19:42] <TAFB> when I try and break out of it, it runs the second part, lol
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[19:45] <TAFB> ahhh, got it workin :) just put ' around it.
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[19:47] <rikkib> I don't feel good first thing in the morning atm... Think I have a mild chest infection...
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[19:48] <mtempest> Hi. I ssh to my pi, and I want to use pygame with the fbcon driver to show stuff on the console. It works if I run my program as root (via sudo), but not as mtempest - I suppose this is a permissions problem. Any idea what has the wrong permissions?
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[19:49] <mtempest> (running Raspbian)
[19:49] <feeshon> What package can I setup to allow the raspberrypi to email out
[19:49] <feeshon> ?
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[19:49] <feeshon> Is the application no in your path?
[19:50] <TAFB> feeshon: Not sure what you mean by e-mail out, but Citadel is the e-mail server program for the Pi
[19:50] <frikinz> TAFB: maybe watch "foo && bar" (with quotes)
[19:50] <TAFB> frikinz: Yep, the quotes worked perfect ;)
[19:50] <frikinz> TAFB: ah yeah, didn't see you already found it :)
[19:50] <feeshon> TAFB: I want to be able to send emails with mail command via gmail
[19:50] <frikinz> a bit slow this evening
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[19:51] <frikinz> feeshon: mutt does it
[19:51] <rikkib> mailx But only a guess
[19:52] <TAFB> frikinz: No problem :) I'm trying ti replace an html file, but if a visitor goes to view it, right as the html file is bring replaced, it sits there and waits for a few seconds, then displays the page
[19:52] <TAFB> I was trying to think of a way to avoid this, like copy it to a temp file first, and display that to the viewers.
[19:52] <frikinz> anything that speaks smtps
[19:52] <TAFB> but same problem. Looks like if Pancake see's the file is in use, it defaults to wait for 2 seconds until retrying to read it or something
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[19:54] <frikinz> "replace an html file" seems strange :)
[19:54] <TAFB> frikinz: I know, hehe. It's my super hacked up "dynamic web page cache technology" :)
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[19:55] <frikinz> TAFB: lol patented I hope
[19:55] <rikkib> gnuip
[19:55] <TAFB> what it does, it it downloads the actual dynamic page with wget, then copies the file to the document root of the web server, overwriting the index.html file :)
[19:55] <feeshon> frikinz: Used mutt before but not sure how bulky it is
[19:55] <rikkib> Need a maintainer
[19:55] <TAFB> so you can have tons of viewers on index.html, but there is no php/server load :)
[19:55] <rikkib> needs
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[19:56] <feeshon> looking for the sleakest way to send out email
[19:56] <TAFB> feeshon: PHP can sendmail()
[19:58] <pksato> feeshon: need a some smtp proxy/relay. or a full email client.
[20:01] <Torikun> pksato: I tried doign tthe same thing ..... i get lost with setting up mx records
[20:01] <pksato> program like msmtp
[20:02] <pksato> ssmtp
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[20:03] <rikkib> I may be wrong but I do not think you need a mx record... If none exists it will default to the domain
[20:03] <rikkib> But always good to have mx records
[20:04] <frikinz> you'd get good support in #debian. just don't say you run raspbian ;)
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[20:05] <Torikun> rikkib: you will need mxrecords to send outside your local network
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[20:06] <Torikun> postfix logs will complain
[20:06] <TAFB> ok, the cached page is working. It updates every 15 seconds. Theres a 7.62% chance when you go to (or refresh the page), you will be presented with a 3 second delay :) http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/indexgenerated.php
[20:06] <pksato> no, to send a email, need only a internet conection and a email query manager, like sendmail, postfix, exim, etc...
[20:07] * rikkib does not do dns... A friend handles my two domains. I do my own mail server here at home on my fixed IP....
[20:07] <TAFB> rikkib: I wish I could get a fixed ip :( I run a mail server on a dynamic! :(
[20:07] * TAFB is now known as TAFB_lunch
[20:07] <pksato> But, on spam age, others can refuse to recieve email.
[20:08] <rikkib> dig mx bencom.co.nz
[20:08] <rikkib> dig mx zlham.geek.nz
[20:09] <pksato> mx need to recieve a email.
[20:09] <rikkib> dig -x
[20:10] <rikkib> and senderbase I think from memory
[20:10] <pksato> On these days, need do relay a email to some email service provider.
[20:10] <rikkib> or something like that I sorted out
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[20:11] <rikkib> mail is a setup once and forget about apart from some blocking...
[20:12] <rikkib> two files to care about access & aliases
[20:12] <rikkib> I run sendmail
[20:12] <Torikun> /etc/aliases
[20:13] <Torikun> I have my gmail setup with pop access to my home server
[20:13] <Torikun> so I can read the email
[20:13] <Torikun> logs, etc
[20:13] <rikkib> Wish IPv6 would hurry up...
[20:13] <Torikun> that is the easiest
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[20:14] <frikinz> I do this with mutt. A bit tricky to setup
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[20:14] <rikkib> Not so much for me but for all the other users that find it hard to get fixed atm
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[20:19] * rikkib hopes my new power supplies arrive today...
[20:19] * rikkib is Raspberry Pi challenged atm due to no PS.
[20:20] * rikkib has 4 512 boards
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[20:23] <TAFB_lunch> woot! This page rendered in 0.0021 seconds. THAT'S MORE LIKE IT! :)
[20:25] <TAFB_lunch> rikkib: You don't have an old ATX power supply kicking around?
[20:25] <rikkib> yep
[20:26] <rikkib> severaal spare
[20:26] <TAFB_lunch> why don you use it to power you'r Pi's? It can run 30 of them.
[20:27] <rikkib> I can... But not like that... I have a 12v supply (Tait radio ps) and use CV regs.
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[20:28] <rikkib> The CV regs cost a couple of bucks from China
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[20:28] <rikkib> 2A
[20:29] <rikkib> Just a lot more simpler to use a wall wort
[20:30] <rikkib> Plus I lack mini usb cables atm
[20:30] <rikkib> The one I had I cut up for my breakout box
[20:31] <TAFB_lunch> rikkib: just power to GPIO pins (+5v to pin2, ground to pin 6), c'mon, be a man! My buddie is powering 24 Pi's side by side off of one ATX power supply, all to gpio pins :)
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[20:32] <rikkib> I can do that to... I even bought some poly fuses to provide outboard fuse that is circumvented by powering via GPIO port.
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[20:34] <rikkib> On my devel setup I run my STM32V from the breakout board hooked to my RPi
[20:35] <rikkib> The breakout takes in 12v that goes to a CV reg and the back to a fuse and then pins on the breakout board
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[20:36] <scummos> is there a limit on the operations I can do in a fragment shader on the pi?
[20:36] <scummos> when I do more than a specific amount of calculations then it just displays a white screen
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[20:37] <TAFB_lunch> alright, who's a PHP master in here? Gordon, you home yet?? :)
[20:37] <rikkib> Maybe it is running out of mem
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[20:37] <scummos> TAFB_lunch: I have been doing a lot of PHP
[20:37] <scummos> but I hate it
[20:37] * TAFB_lunch is now known as TAFB
[20:38] <TAFB> scummos: you good with str_replace?
[20:38] <scummos> TAFB: depends! tell your problem ;)
[20:38] <TAFB> ok, here it is:
[20:38] <TAFB> $buffer = str_replace('{microtime}', round( microtime( TRUE ) - $GLOBALS['REQUEST_MICROTIME'], 4 ), $buffer);
[20:38] <scummos> rikkib: hmm, possible... I'm drawing a mandelbrot set, and if I do more than a specific amount of loops, then it gets all white
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[20:39] <scummos> rikkib: if I do more things in the loop, then I need to decrease that count
[20:39] <TAFB> that command, replaces any found words of {microtime} with that global microtime value. I also need to replace a word in the same string, say {test} with a value, and can't get it to work
[20:39] <scummos> what's the problem with that, why not just call it again?
[20:39] <TAFB> when I call it again, my page fails to load :(
[20:39] <TAFB> I used this for the second command:
[20:40] <TAFB> $buffer = str_replace('{viewer_ip}', test , 4 ), $buffer);
[20:40] <scummos> what's test
[20:40] <TAFB> test is a wrod
[20:40] <TAFB> word
[20:40] <TAFB> is that's what's breaking it?
[20:40] <scummos> test is not a word, it's a token
[20:40] <scummos> "test" would be a string
[20:40] <TAFB> ahhhhhh
[20:40] <TAFB> lol
[20:40] <TAFB> k. one sec.
[20:40] <pksato> one ( open and two ) ?
[20:41] <scummos> not sure that that's it since php does weird things with strings
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[20:42] <TAFB> pksato: I see what you mean, I'll take a look at it.
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[20:43] <frikinz> what happens when there's overheating on the rasp cpu?
[20:43] <TAFB> woot
[20:43] <TAFB> works
[20:43] <TAFB> $buffer = str_replace('{viewer_ip}', "test" , $buffer);
[20:43] <scummos> oh yes that too
[20:43] <scummos> yes, very surprising
[20:43] <scummos> go use a proper language ;)
[20:43] <TAFB> frikinz: Depends on your config.txt settings sometimes, otherwise normally over 85c it sets the "warranty void flag"
[20:43] <scummos> which is capable of displaying error messages
[20:44] <piers12345> Tafb, you used your blog yet? Haha
[20:44] <TAFB> frikinz: If you look at my config.txt settings, you can see that over 70c I have it scale down the performance of the CPU
[20:44] <TAFB> config.txt: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/indextest.php
[20:45] <frikinz> trip_point? that's what the kernel uses I think to put it to powersave
[20:46] <rikkib> TAFB, Is no-ip.info a free service?
[20:46] <frikinz> ok have the temp limit in my config.txt too :)
[20:47] <TAFB> nice :)
[20:47] <TAFB> oh, because I can't test it cause I'm local, can someone please go to : http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/indextest.php
[20:47] <TAFB> and tell me if it's got your right ip?
[20:47] <frikinz> yes, I see this setting is set in ./devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_0_temp
[20:48] <JohnRambozo> yes, correct IP for me, tafb.
[20:48] <TAFB> YAY!!!
[20:48] <TAFB> My page is working! 100% cached dynamic page, with "live" ip address reading (otherwise says ip address is! lol), and live page render time! YAY!
[20:49] <rikkib> TAFB, That page is a real nice piece of work.
[20:49] <TAFB> Now I can have tons of viewers, with no extra php load to the server!
[20:49] <frikinz> scummos: bring your netcat! http://teebee.n0n3m.com:666/?refresh=1000
[20:49] <TAFB> before, even with just a few viewers at the same time, it would murder it :)
[20:49] <scummos> TAFB: hm, my netcat?
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[20:49] <scummos> shall I spam it? :D
[20:50] <TAFB> my page? only load test http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/indextest.php if you're gonna do it :)
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[20:50] <TAFB> i'll watch my performance monitors
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[20:50] <scummos> ok wait a moment
[20:50] <frikinz> some colours are supposed to change over some threshold
[20:51] <TAFB> cpu is goin up
[20:51] <TAFB> nooooooo it broke :)
[20:51] <scummos> it's sending me 500 internal server errors :D
[20:51] <scummos> lolol :D
[20:51] <TAFB> error 500 is cause it only waits 5 seconds for PHP to finish. I guess I better up the timeout :)
[20:52] <scummos> that other guy's perl page survived that treatment without much of a sweat
[20:52] <feeshon> For second there it stopped responding :-)
[20:52] <TAFB> made my Pi 3 degrees hotter ;)
[20:52] <TAFB> checking pancake logs...
[20:52] <scummos> and that was only five seconds!
[20:52] <scummos> I could burn your room, you know
[20:53] <frikinz> lol
[20:53] <TAFB> "PHPWorker #1 timeout. Config set to max workers = 1, unable to allocate more workers. Error 500."
[20:54] <scummos> haha
[20:54] <TAFB> hmmm. guess I'll look into that.
[20:54] <scummos> nah, your time is better spent learning pythoin
[20:54] <scummos> *python
[20:54] <TAFB> looks like PHPWorker #1 timed out when it got exactly 1000 page requests.
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[20:54] <rikkib> C
[20:55] <biberao> yo
[20:55] <frikinz> perl
[20:55] <piers12345> Python
[20:55] <rikkib> yo yo
[20:55] <rikkib> C :)
[20:55] <scummos> python > perl
[20:55] <TAFB> assembly
[20:55] <scummos> brainfuck
[20:55] <scummos> did you write brainfuck yet?
[20:55] <scummos> it's fun
[20:55] <piers12345> Python is upgraded c.
[20:56] <scummos> php is downgraded C
[20:56] <rikkib> AS is a mandatory component of C
[20:56] <scummos> asm is something I want my compiler to write for me
[20:56] <rikkib> asm(stx reg) sort of thing
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[20:58] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@p57B1A609.dip.t-dialin.net
[20:58] * scummos was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[20:59] <piers12345> What is the maximum total current drain I can take from the gpios? Not the rated but the actual rating?
[20:59] <piers12345> Actual amount*
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[21:00] <rikkib> Choice... Two power supplies in the mail box.
[21:01] <piers12345> Use the more powerful one
[21:01] <rikkib> JIT
[21:01] <rikkib> 50mA
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[21:02] <piers12345> Why is the limit 50ma?
[21:02] <rikkib> 5V pins on GPIO
[21:02] <rikkib> Not sure... Go to the wiki and search
[21:03] * rikkib goes to check his own page of links
[21:03] <pksato> GPIO data pins max. is 16mA per pin.
[21:04] <biberao> cant wait for my pi
[21:04] <biberao> rikkib: which power supplie
[21:04] <biberao> ?
[21:04] <piers12345> It seems the actual maximum is about 200-300mA they just say 50 so all the important parts can get the full voltage
[21:04] <pksato> 3V3 max. recomended is 50mA. 5V 100mA.
[21:05] <piers12345> *dont sue me for broken pi...
[21:05] <frikinz> oh kicking scummos was a bit harsh. he only mentionned a language.
[21:05] <piers12345> Was he kicked or banned?
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[21:06] <rikkib> biberao, Give me a moment and I will check... 1.2A 5V as used by things like Galaxies
[21:06] <dr_willis> i thiught he mentioned a programing lsnguage..
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[21:06] <rikkib> Micro USB 8600 on the box
[21:07] <dr_willis> unsing power supply for my kindle fire here
[21:07] <piers12345> Whats the kindle fire like?
[21:07] <TAFB> man, php really eats up the CPU. With only 17 hits per second PHP is using 82% cpu :(
[21:07] <rikkib> Model NLA 120050W1S
[21:07] <biberao> is it good rikkib ?
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[21:07] <dr_willis> 1.8a 5v i belive
[21:08] <rikkib> Been using them for several months now and they work good... 4.75v between tp1 & tp2
[21:08] <frikinz> TAFB: 17 hits per second is quite a lot for the pi cpu + webserver + php ..
[21:09] <rikkib> But I am also careful with usb and run a powered hubs
[21:09] <biberao> bye dinner
[21:09] <TAFB> frikinz: Ahhh, ok. Didn't know what kinda load that was :)
[21:09] <TAFB> frikinz: Would I be correct in assuming, if I renamed my .php file to .html then my webserver would handle way more hits per second?
[21:10] <rikkib> Brand on these supplies is KCS
[21:10] <piers12345> Give it a shot
[21:10] <rikkib> But that may just be the NZ supplier which goes by the name KCS
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[21:11] <frikinz> I guess. with 10 hits /s sustained on my small web app (in ajax so constant transmission), the cpu stays at 1Ghz, cpu is 85% at temp ~54C
[21:11] <TAFB> If I didn't need to get the viewers IP address or calculate the time it takes to render the page, the page wouldn't even need to be .php :(
[21:12] <TAFB> I'll make a new indextest_notfancy.html and see how she does.
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[21:13] <TAFB> wow, html is WAY faster! 165 hits per second, only 60% cpu load!
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[21:14] <piers12345> Is the page now on html?
[21:14] <TAFB> http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/indexgenerated.html
[21:15] <piers12345> It has my ip worng
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[21:15] <TAFB> because html can't get your ip, only php
[21:15] <piers12345> Actually, it doesnt have it. I was reading the host ip
[21:16] <TAFB> This Pi thinks your IP address is {viewer_ip}
[21:17] <TAFB> where it says viewer_ip is where PHP replaces that with your IP address
[21:17] <TAFB> How it does that, is it loades the entire HTML page into one big string, searches the string for viewer_ip, then replaces it with your ip address. I believe that is a very big ram/cpu intesive operation :(
[21:17] <piers12345> Ouch.
[21:18] <piers12345> Would it be faster if you loaded the ip at the very beginning?
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[21:19] <TAFB> normally I did, but because the page is cached, you can't do that, the IP it gets is always, so I have to do it after the cached page loads, then replace the ip with your actual ip :(
[21:19] <cul> Replace it clientside with javascript?
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[21:20] <TAFB> cul: ahhh, possibly.
[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> megaproxy, you around?
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[21:20] <dr_willis> hmm. on that site it says under cpu features is 'java' wonder what that means.
[21:20] <ShiftPlusOne> dr_willis, jazelle
[21:21] <TAFB> ok, I think I'm just going to get rid of the IP address detection and page rendering time readout :(
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[21:22] <confusid> how do I go about changing the default login? I want to lock Pi and use another name or even have gdm or slim come up first.
[21:22] <piers12345> Could you host 2 at the same time?
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[21:22] <TAFB> confusid: You can change the password in raspi-config
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[21:23] <piers12345> To make the gui come up you open /etc/innitab and change the default runlevel to 2
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[21:23] <confusid> I already changed the password for root and pi.. but i want to remove or lock pi and use the one I created.
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[21:23] <TAFB> confusid: ahhhh
[21:23] <Torikun> confusid: systemd or init/
[21:23] <confusid> ty
[21:24] <confusid> init/ has the info I'm looking for
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[21:37] <TAFB> wow. So if you take a regular HTML file, with no PHP code, and just rename it to .php, it drops the pages per second served from 170ish to 16 :(
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[21:38] <tanuva> looks like caching would actually help
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[21:52] <TAFB> WOOT! The page is complete :) http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[21:52] <TAFB> running on HTML.
[21:53] <TAFB> 160 page hits per second certified :)
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[21:53] <TAFB> I can update the dynamic content as much as I want. If I do it every three seconds it makes enough of a load on my Pi to kick the cpu from 400mhz to 1ghz :)
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Well you keep spamming the URL every fre minutes.
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> *few
[21:53] <TAFB> if I bump it down to about every 6 seconds then the cpu stays at 400mhz :)
[21:54] <confusid> TAFB: what is that written in?
[21:54] <TAFB> confusid: I don't understand your question. The main page is done in PHP, but the page you see in your browser it static html.
[21:55] <confusid> could you point me to documents to read on how to do that :)
[21:55] <TAFB> confusid: Which part, the dynamic to staic cached conversion, or just how to make the page?
[21:55] <xrosnight> anyone installed Archlinux on Raspberry Pi???
[21:55] <dr_willis> you could put an info link in the "turbo mode" section. so people can learn what that neans.... ;-)
[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> xrosnight, I would imagine that thousands of people have.
[21:56] <TAFB> dr_willis: lol :)
[21:56] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: alright. then is it faster than Raspbian on Pi?
[21:56] <confusid> dynamic to static
[21:57] <ShiftPlusOne> xrosnight, it's all pretty much the same. Arch boots faster, but takes longer to set up.
[21:57] <TAFB> confusid: oh man :( I'm doing it a super dumb way, but I'll tell you how I'm doing it if you want :)
[21:57] <dr_willis> and the tables are different width as you go down the page.. gets narrower as you go down. :-P
[21:58] <confusid> TAFB: any info would be a start :) I'm just tinkering with this.. First hour with my pi and making a 32gb sd ready for it. Never used an arm system so want to run it hard ;p
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> xrosnight, once you have arch set up the way you like it, it's much better than raspbian (in my opinion)
[21:59] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: yeah. the initial parts may take time but it could run faster with the most popular software. one thing bothering people is that it needs monotony UPDATING very often
[21:59] <TAFB> confusid: haha. Ok :) The main problem with my original stats page, is that every single hit on it, every view, it generated all the content on the fly. This used huge CPU (pretty much 100%) for about 3 second, and of course would delay loading of the page for the visitor for 3 seconds :(
[21:59] <TAFB> confusid: This made me mad, because it made it seem like the Pi is slow!!! And I didn't want to give people that impression.
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[21:59] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: yeah. I am thinking so. In fact installing Archlinux on it is not a hard troublesome deal
[21:59] <TAFB> confusid: So what I'm doing, is in crontab (let me know if you don't know what that is), I put this command: watch -n0 "cp /usr/local/Pancake/vhosts/default/index.tmp /usr/local/Pancake/vhosts/default/index.html && wget -O /usr/local/Pancake/vhosts/default/index.tmp"
[21:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, not at all.
[22:00] <confusid> I have used crontab for backing up
[22:00] <xrosnight> TAFB. then you mean it needs almost 4 secs to show people the web page right???
[22:00] <TAFB> confusid: In the watch command, you can change the -n0 to the delay between dynamic page updates. Right now it runs a constant loop, no delay, only uses about 6% of the cpu :)
[22:00] <ShiftPlusOne> xrosnight, I wouldn't expect any particular software to run any faster though. You might get better ram usage, since you don't have all the debian cruft, but maybe not. I think it will be about the same.
[22:01] <rymate1234> TAFB, pancake?
[22:01] <TAFB> confusid: So what that's doing, is pulling the real PHP page from Pancake (my webserver program on the pi), and saving it to an HTML page.
[22:01] <rymate1234> ah
[22:01] <confusid> nice
[22:02] <TAFB> confusid: then, to prevent a visitor from trying to view the page while it's being written/generated, I always use the previous file and copy it to index.html, I get the "dynamic" page into a temp file, then repeat.
[22:02] <TAFB> works flawless.
[22:02] <confusid> are you using pancake since it is smaller in size for the install?
[22:02] <TAFB> confusid: I saw a page where there were a ton of benchmarks on the Pi, and Pancake smoked all the other programs
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[22:03] <TAFB> confusid: as you can see from my stats page, free hard drive space is no problem on my Pi ;)
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[22:03] <rymate1234> TAFB, why is it not running on port 80?
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[22:03] <TAFB> confusid: I like Pancake too, because it only uses up about 20mb of ram total.
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[22:04] <xrosnight> TAFB: what's ur page
[22:04] <TAFB> rymate1234: Because my "real" server is still on port 80, until I get everything on the Pi :)
[22:04] <rymate1234> ah
[22:04] <TAFB> http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[22:04] <xrosnight> TAFB: does your ISP provider filter your 80 port?
[22:05] <TAFB> nope
[22:05] <TAFB> they filter no ports, including 25 incoming
[22:05] <TAFB> http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info/
[22:05] <TAFB> see, it works, port 80, on my home server ;)
[22:05] <xrosnight> see that
[22:06] <xrosnight> where are you? why don't they filter your port 80... they dare filtered my port 80!!!
[22:06] <tanuva> I'd change my provider if they did
[22:06] <TAFB> I'm in Canada. I had another ISP that filtered 80 and 25 making my webserver and e-mail server not work :(
[22:06] <TAFB> I tried a few before I found this one. Only problem with these guys is the upload speed really sucks :(
[22:06] <TAFB> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2376827100.png
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[22:07] <xrosnight> tanuva: i am too sad that i am in China they filtered all port 80 . :(
[22:07] <Kanerix> Can you use both the stereo audio output and send digital audio over the HDMI line simultaneously or are they mutually exclusive?
[22:07] <tanuva> doh, in China you don't have much choice
[22:08] <TAFB> Kanerix: Nope.
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[22:08] <confusid> TAFB are you using the Raspbian os or another?
[22:08] <TAFB> Kanerix: You can switch it easy, with a command, no reboot required though.
[22:08] <TAFB> confusid: Wheezy?
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[22:08] <Kanerix> so if HDMI is running audio, nothing can be put out of the stereo
[22:08] <xrosnight> TAFB: is the speed now what you are having ? 106MB/s
[22:08] <rymate1234> /dev/root ext4 110G 2.1G 102G 3% /
[22:08] <rymate1234> damn your HDD
[22:08] <TAFB> xrosnight: Yep, that's my download speed :)
[22:09] <TAFB> rymate1234: hehe. I know, and the speeeeeeed
[22:09] <Kanerix> TAFB, What's the command?
[22:09] <TAFB> Kanerix: Let me check this channels logs, please hold.
[22:09] <confusid> Also what size sd are you using? 120gb?
[22:10] <Kanerix> I'm running openelec and I'd like to have the analog run the speakers in my bedroom from pandora, but also be able to run full videos in my living room on the HDMI line
[22:10] <Kanerix> if that makes sense
[22:10] <TAFB> confusid: The storage device information is on the page, under the speed graph: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[22:10] <xrosnight> TAFB: freaking fast!!
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[22:11] <confusid> Thats why I'm asking :) looks like 120 gb then unser drive usage it breaks it down.
[22:11] <confusid> I read that the pi only took up to a 32gb sd card.
[22:11] <confusid> hence Thats what I bought today.
[22:11] <TAFB> Kaneerix: http://pastebin.com/JnDJKACs
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[22:11] <TAFB> confusid: My Pi did not work with my 64gb sd card ;)
[22:11] <Kanerix> TAFB: thanks mate =)
[22:11] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[22:12] <TAFB> confusid: But, you can use any size USB storage you want, and your operating system will run right from it.
[22:12] <TAFB> Hey CelticTurnip! You wouldn't believe what I did today :)
[22:12] <confusid> ok.. usb2.. need to find a nice drive..
[22:12] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: what?
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[22:12] <TAFB> confusid: If you need any help moving over your operating system when you find one, let me know.
[22:12] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: remember my status page, how long it took to load right?
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[22:12] <confusid> TAFB should I assume dd would work?
[22:13] <confusid> Thats what I used for this 32gb just now.
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[22:13] <confusid> but I used the raspbian img
[22:13] <TAFB> confusid: I used rsync
[22:13] <confusid> ah ok
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[22:13] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: yep
[22:13] <Armand> Right.. I added a mass of IPs that were creating bogus accounts on my site. Let's see if that cuts it down. ;)
[22:14] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: Give it a try now, tell me what ya think: http://pastebin.com/JnDJKACs
[22:14] <Armand> *Added to my firewall,
[22:14] <TAFB> whops
[22:14] <TAFB> lol
[22:14] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
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[22:14] <TAFB> give it a bunch of refresh's too, test er out
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[22:14] <frikinz> Armand: you check that they are not dynamic IPs also?
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[22:15] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: nice
[22:15] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: Thanks! :) I reduced the page loading time from 3 seconds to .0021 seconds! lol
[22:15] <Armand> frikinz, I didn't check at all.. I think some are, but I'm not too fussed. I'll see what happens.
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[22:19] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: I developed my page caching setup, so it updated the dynamic content as often as I want (right now I have it on a 3 second update loop), but the web server only needs to feed static HTML to the view, no php at all! So the speeds is insane, and the Pi can handle MONSTER amounts of web traffic like that.
[22:19] * IT_Sean crashes TAFB's raspi
[22:19] <TAFB> not again ;)
[22:20] <TAFB> it can handle 160 page hits per second on the status page now (vs. 1 hit per 3 seconds with it dynamic on load, or 6 to 17 hits per second with it static but still php) :)
[22:21] <IT_Sean> Nicely done.
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[22:21] <TAFB> thx :)
[22:21] <IT_Sean> Are you planning on setting it up to do something intelligent (like monitor some external stimulus or something)?
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[22:22] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: do you mind if I /msg you, want to ask you something
[22:23] <TAFB> IT_Sean: well, I wouldn't really call it intelliget, no ;)
[22:23] <TAFB> CelticTurnip: sure, msg away
[22:23] <IT_Sean> what are you planning on having it do?
[22:23] <TAFB> IT_Sean: Right now it's just going to be a web server and e-mail/webmail server, but I need to keep an eye on it with my cell phone, hence the status page
[22:23] <IT_Sean> Ah, i see.
[22:23] <IT_Sean> Neat.
[22:24] <TAFB> On the status page I want to add a "PiCam" webcam, pointed at the Pi, and give the ability for users to click on and off LED lights, or type their name in a box and it'll scroll across a LED screen on the Pi ;)
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[22:34] <axion> poit?
[22:37] <rikkib> A peak at the cam captures from the RPi installed at the largest PC recycle company in NZ... Go to the dir for more caps.
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[22:37] <TAFB> NICE!! They got good internet? you should up the res :)
[22:38] <confusid> is that a random cam on usb or the pi cam?
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[22:39] <tanuva> hm, they have daylight there. NZ sounds good.
[22:39] <IT_Sean> daylight? what's that?
[22:40] <rikkib> usb cam
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[22:40] <rikkib> RPi running motion
[22:40] <rikkib> Wed Dec 19 10:40:28 NZDT 2012
[22:41] <rikkib> apache2 running on RPi as well
[22:42] <tanuva> IT_Sean: I just meant to say it can't be europe since it's ~11pm here :)
[22:44] * rikkib lives in a little country town in New Zealand about 100Km from Auckland city the largest city in NZ.
[22:44] <biberao> rikkib: motion?
[22:45] <rikkib> motion is a cam cap and motion detection package for Linux
[22:45] <biberao> oh
[22:45] <biberao> that i know
[22:45] <biberao> for an instance i thought you had a ripped off apple motion
[22:45] <biberao> llo
[22:45] <rikkib> apt-get install motion & config
[22:46] <rikkib> Can run hooked to cam or separate to take in motion streams
[22:47] <rikkib> I run both ways. Cam cap on RPi and gateway on my fixed IP to aggregate cams on internal net
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[22:48] <biberao> rikkib: wont that work bad with pi?
[22:48] <rikkib> Major issue currently is the Raspbian kernel is broken meaning I have to run an old kernel
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[22:49] <rikkib> <biberao> rikkib: wont that work bad with pi? Do not quite understand the question... What I have been working with works pretty good
[22:50] <biberao> i meant connecting a cam
[22:50] <biberao> and such
[22:50] <rikkib> Still many issues to work through regarding hooking the cams to dyn ip
[22:50] <biberao> motion
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[22:51] <rikkib> Cam is hooked to a powered hub
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[22:51] <cjdavies> best CPU/GPU RAM split if I want to be able to playback 1080p content to my parents' LCD TV this xmas?
[22:52] <cjdavies> wiki says default is 128/128 but the Arch image is 192CPU/64GPU default
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[22:52] <biberao> rikkib: i ened to buy one
[22:52] <rikkib> 64MB min I think but I do not really know personally. Just going off what I have read.
[22:53] <rikkib> New cams use uvc driver mostly now I think.
[22:54] <tanuva> cjdavies: raspbmc uses the 1:1 split iirc, but I don't know if they do for a reason
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[22:54] <cjdavies> ah, didn't think of raspbmc
[22:54] <cjdavies> I was just planning on jacking in & bashing mplayer
[22:55] <cjdavies> is raspbmc an application or a whole distro?
[22:55] <CelticTurnip> it's a distro
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[22:56] <CelticTurnip> personally I prefer XBian
[22:56] <dr_willis> Raspbmc is nifty. andyes i did notice id did a 1:1 memory split
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[22:56] <TAFB> how do I restart crontab, to have it run the ish I put in there without rebooting?
[22:56] <dr_willis> cron runs stuff at a specific time. I dont think you need to restart it if you make changes to the crontab.
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[22:57] <cjdavies> think I'll prefer just having Arch + whatever player I want
[22:57] <TAFB> I have some @reboot commands in there, I would like to test before I rebot.
[22:57] <cjdavies> already installed arch, so
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[22:57] <ackthet> dr_willis: raspbmc is uncool, xbian is where the real win is at
[22:57] <confusid> TAFB I think sudo /etc/init.d/cron restart
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[22:57] <TAFB> testing...
[22:57] <dr_willis> Cant say ive even neard of xbian. ;0 so no idea
[22:57] <confusid> worked here
[22:57] <dr_willis> rasbmc seems to work ok for me.
[22:58] <TAFB> command worked, checking if @reboot programs are running..
[22:58] <dr_willis> but sd cards are cheap, and its easy to switch ;)
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[22:58] <ackthet> dr_willis: give it a shot, and its not run by a psycopath :D
[22:58] <TAFB> hmmm. I think my command is too complicated for crontab :(
[22:59] <ackthet> i kid ofc
[22:59] <ackthet> i just like xbian
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[23:02] <TAFB> ok, giving it a reboot to see if that fixes crontab
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[23:03] <TAFB> ok, even after a reboot the crontab command ain't workin :( I guess I'll have to learn how to make a script?! :)
[23:03] <rikkib> crontab -e ????
[23:04] <rikkib> as the root user?
[23:04] <TAFB> i did sudo crontab -e ... i put it in there, but it's a big complicated command and I read crontab is a little freaky with things like that.
[23:04] <rikkib> set the path for the crond
[23:04] <dr_willis> xbin is xbmc version 12, and rasbmc is xbmc 11, isent it.. or am i missreading the pages.
[23:05] <cjdavies> how do I check what the current RAM split is, do I just go by what top/free reports?
[23:05] <dr_willis> I always put big commands in scripts for cron to run. makes it easier. ;)
[23:05] <TAFB> how do I make a script? :)
[23:05] <dr_willis> bash 101
[23:05] <dr_willis> #!/bin/bash
[23:05] <dr_willis> commands
[23:05] <rikkib> #!/bin/bash
[23:05] <dr_willis> there ya go...
[23:05] <Torikun> cjdavies: do free -m
[23:05] <rikkib> to slow
[23:06] <axion> #!/bin/sh would be more portable
[23:06] <Torikun> or cat /proc/memstat
[23:06] <TAFB> axion!!!!!!!!
[23:06] <axion> TAFB???????
[23:06] <TAFB> axion: I got big news, will tell ya once I get my crontab workin
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[23:06] * axion holds breath
[23:07] <Torikun> cjdavies: minimium is like 10MB
[23:07] <CelticTurnip> #! /bin/ksh
[23:07] <CelticTurnip> :P
[23:07] <axion> korn shell lol
[23:07] <axion> may as well go back to csh :p
[23:07] <TAFB> there is no folder called "bash" in /bin
[23:07] <rikkib> #!/dev/null
[23:07] <axion> that is correct. linux does not have folders
[23:07] <CelticTurnip> soekris:~]$ echo $SHELL
[23:07] <CelticTurnip> /bin/ksh
[23:07] <CelticTurnip> soekris:~]$
[23:08] <CelticTurnip> ;)
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[23:08] <cjdavies> right, so now that I have arch installed & the GPU given 128MB RAM is there anything obtuse I have to do to be able to play back video other than install X & mplayer as per a 'normal' Arch box?
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[23:09] <CelticTurnip> and the other ssh session I have open is running csh :P
[23:09] <axion> cjdavies: you cant use mplayer
[23:09] <Torikun> cjdavies: omxplayer-giy
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[23:09] <Torikun> *omxplayer-git
[23:09] <cjdavies> no mplayer?!
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[23:09] <TAFB> where do I put my script.sh?
[23:09] <cjdavies> what madness is this!
[23:09] <axion> cjdavies: you must use an OpenMAX accelerated hardware player
[23:09] <Torikun> install it with yaourt vlc and mplayer will not work
[23:09] <cjdavies> ah
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[23:09] <cjdavies> thanks for the heads up
[23:09] <Torikun> omx player sucks
[23:09] <cjdavies> shall alias it...
[23:10] <cjdavies> well, I just want to be able to say '<foo> legally_aquired_movie.mkv'
[23:10] <Torikun> cjdavies: http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2012/08/howto-launch-omxplayer-via-gui.html
[23:10] <axion> cjdavies: omxplayer then
[23:10] <Torikun> That is a good guide omxplayer
[23:10] <axion> cjdavies: xbmc is the real only other good choice atm
[23:10] <cjdavies> righto, may end up going the xbmc route on a second SD card then
[23:10] <axion> THough I am making openmax/bcmhost bindings at the moment, so that may change in some years :p
[23:10] <Torikun> cjdavies: xbmc was kinda unstable for me
[23:11] <Torikun> I tried openelec and xbmc
[23:11] <axion> Use git version
[23:11] <axion> Its rock solid (on Arch anyway)
[23:11] <Torikun> ah
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[23:12] <dr_willis> TAFB: whever you want. just use the proper path to it. and make sure its execuitable
[23:13] <CelticTurnip> or you could put it where it should probably go either /opt/bin or /usr/local/bin
[23:13] <CelticTurnip> :P
[23:13] <TAFB> I read I should just make a script in /etc/init.d?
[23:13] <dr_willis> those are INIT/Upstart scripts
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[23:14] <Torikun> systemd script right?
[23:14] <axion> what is the task at hand?
[23:14] <dr_willis> or whatever init system its using. ;)
[23:14] <TAFB> need to run a command on boot
[23:14] <Torikun> lol
[23:14] <TAFB> it'll run in the background
[23:14] <Torikun> TAFB: yuo need to enable teh rc-local service with systemd
[23:14] <dr_willis> TAFB: then why are you using cron? :)
[23:14] <TAFB> cron has @reboot
[23:14] <dr_willis> rc.local is the easy way
[23:14] <TAFB> I've used it before ;)
[23:14] <TAFB> easy, is what i need :(
[23:15] <axion> sysv and bsd init is old...update your distribution and get with the linux trends
[23:15] <TAFB> dr_willis: what is this magic rc.local wand you speak of, and how do I wave it?
[23:15] <Torikun> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1152201
[23:15] <dr_willis> its a simple script in /etc/
[23:15] * [SLB] is now known as [SLB]`
[23:15] <Torikun> That is the link to start/create rc-local.service
[23:15] <dr_willis> used by about every disrto in exisstance
[23:16] <Torikun> to have shit start at boot
[23:16] <TAFB> Torikun: lookin :)
[23:16] <dr_willis> put commands in rc.local BEFOR the 'exit' command.
[23:16] <Torikun> I have to use that TAFB and dr_willis to have my smb mounts start lol
[23:17] <axion> that is part of BSD init scripts, reserved for the users that do not know how to properly use an init system, or for small settings upon boot
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[23:18] <rikkib> stuff start at boot... The other word may see you booted from here if an op catches you... A friendly reminder there are young ones around.
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[23:19] <Torikun> oops sorry rikkib
[23:19] <Torikun> your right
[23:19] <rikkib> No need to say sorry to me...
[23:19] <TAFB> ok, I put my command (not script) in /etc/rc.local :) we'll see if she runs on rebot.
[23:20] <rikkib> I swear with the best of them
[23:20] <Torikun> TAFB:
[23:20] <Torikun> I have to put my startup command in the rc-local.service for it to work, i had issues creating a /etc/rc.local
[23:20] <TAFB> WOOT!
[23:20] <TAFB> IT WORKS!
[23:20] <Torikun> cool
[23:20] <dr_willis> And you are suprised? ;P
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[23:20] <TAFB> very
[23:20] <xrosnight> TAFB: what?
[23:21] <dr_willis> rc.local is not the place for staarting X gui stuff ;) just to be clear
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[23:21] <dr_willis> Unless you wanted to for example auto start X ;P
[23:21] * rikkib has little experience of what TAFB is up to... All systems I ever run use mostly out of the box software
[23:21] <TAFB> dr_willis: good to know, this is like dos stuff in the background ;)
[23:21] <Torikun> lol
[23:21] <CelticTurnip> DOS stuff
[23:21] <CelticTurnip> seriously ban him :P
[23:21] <TAFB> lol
[23:21] <rikkib> Custom backup scripts as in write stuff to CD.
[23:21] <dr_willis> Dos? its nothing like dos. :) thats like compareing a Model T to the Space Shuttle.
[23:22] <dr_willis> both have a place to sit... ;P
[23:22] <TAFB> I see my command is running in a much faster loop than when I just ran it in the shell... hmmm.
[23:22] <TAFB> maybe without it having to display stuff it loops faster.
[23:22] <dr_willis> the X/Desktop takes up a lot of resources
[23:23] <TAFB> added more of a delay to the loop to ease cpu load, rebooting.
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[23:26] <CelticTurnip> TAFB: maybe learn the nice command ;)
[23:26] <TAFB> what's nice? rofl
[23:27] <TAFB> it doesn't look like it's actually using more CPU, just that it's not triggering the cpu to auto overclock, so it's running at 400mhz instead of 1ghz like before, hence the more cpu usage
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[23:30] <TAFB> alright, I'ma go force_turbo=1 then :)
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[23:32] <CelticTurnip> void that warranty :)
[23:32] <CelticTurnip> go for it! :)
[23:32] <TAFB> Warranty Bit : Good
[23:32] <TAFB> I'm still good ;)
[23:33] <CelticTurnip> the only good warranty is a voided 1 :)
[23:33] <dr_willis> a warrenty shows the company lacks faith in their product. ;P
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[23:34] <lenzzzzz> hello friends
[23:34] <lenzzzzz> pls help
[23:34] <lenzzzzz> I use Arch distro
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[23:34] <lenzzzzz> but something is with kernel modules
[23:34] <lenzzzzz> of iptables
[23:34] <cjdavies> is omxplayer going to take long enough to compile on the rpi that I should bother setting up cross-compilation on my i5?
[23:34] <lenzzzzz> I got error
[23:35] <lenzzzzz> can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[23:35] <lenzzzzz> someone knows how to fix it?
[23:36] <pksato> normaly, do not need to do anything.
[23:36] <Torikun> cjdavies: about 10min or less
[23:36] <Torikun> not bad
[23:36] <pksato> fix it using a kernel with netfilter support.
[23:37] <lenzzzzz> pksato, can I install it with pacman?
[23:37] <pksato> some wrong here
[23:37] * cjdavies shall try the 'patience' approach then :)
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[23:39] <samuel02> could someone help me setting up my wi-pi wifi adapter? I've added correct stuff in /etc/interfaces and restarted networking but doesn't work
[23:39] <samuel02> iwlist wlan0 scan gives no results
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[23:40] <axion> TAFB: can i stop holding my breath yet?
[23:40] <TAFB> axion: yep.
[23:40] <TAFB> axion: Ok, remember how slow the status page loads right?
[23:41] <dr_willis> Hmm.. xbian should be able to play a 1024x576 h.264 video just fine shouldent it? Silly thing is hanging on me
[23:41] <axion> ya
[23:42] <lenzzzzz> pksato, i don't want to compile new kernel
[23:42] <dr_willis> played for like 10 sec.. then stopped.
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[23:42] <TAFB> axion: Check out how fast it loads now: http://toysareforboys.no-ip.info:8000/
[23:42] <axion> wrong url
[23:42] <TAFB> give it a refreshes for good measure.
[23:42] <axion> its http://tafb.yi.org
[23:42] <pksato> lenzzzzz: you compiled this kernel?
[23:42] <axion> :8000
[23:42] <lenzzzzz> pksato, ofcourse no
[23:42] <TAFB> axion: lol
[23:43] <pksato> some wrong on this distro...
[23:43] <lenzzzzz> that's official
[23:43] <pksato> arch?
[23:43] <lenzzzzz> yes
[23:43] <axion> looks like it is caching quite well
[23:43] <TAFB> axion: previous status page took roughly 3 seconds to load, the new one, takes 0.0021 seconds :) woot!
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[23:43] <axion> updating every x amount of time, huh?
[23:44] <lenzzzzz> pksato, archlinux-hf-2012-09-18.zip
[23:44] <pksato> I never used arch.
[23:44] <TAFB> well, put it this way, it took 3 seconds for the previous status page to load right? So I set the update for this page for 3 seconds, so nobody could ever tell it wasn't "live" :)
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[23:44] <axion> never say never. it will happen
[23:44] <axion> when you find your way
[23:44] <lenzzzzz> pksato, no one knows here also
[23:45] <TAFB> axion: The only issue with having the update at 3 seconds is it's in a full out PHP loop, you can see it uses like 12% of the cpu :(
[23:45] <lenzzzzz> cause I newer had that problem before
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[23:45] <TAFB> axion: If I make it every 15 seconds then it uses like 1.5% cpu :) but I like it kinda "live" :)
[23:46] <axion> TAFB: ouch. you may want to use nginx (much faster than apache)
[23:46] <axion> though php is really slow language
[23:46] <TAFB> axion: Yeah, it's the PHP. Remember, it's doing 100 shell_exec calls too ;)
[23:47] <axion> ouch
[23:47] <TAFB> Pancake makes Apache look absolutely silly just loading that status page (not the dynamic one) :)
[23:47] <axion> i would redo it in python...maybe even using cffi rather than external processes
[23:48] <Joeboy> I don't think PHP's that slow. Awful, but reasonably quick for an interpreted language.
[23:48] <dr_willis> hmm.. i wonder if some of my video files aint messed up. ;) this other cartoon is playing fine.
[23:48] <TAFB> axion: What I'm eventually going to have it do, is update all the static content just on first boot, then it'll only need a few shell exec calls to get current cpu speed, temp, memory, etc.
[23:49] <TAFB> Joeboy: There's only two things I've found that make PHP slow on the Pi. Shell_exec calls and reading the entire PHP output into a string and doing str_replace commands on it (i.e. page render time, ip address discovery, etc.).
[23:49] <dr_willis> now it hung., ;(
[23:49] <bparker> you put your rpi webserver on the internet for everyone to abuse? lol
[23:49] <TAFB> bparker: me?
[23:49] <Joeboy> I'd be surprised if str_replace itself was slow
[23:50] <bparker> axion
[23:50] <bparker> or you, I guess
[23:50] <bparker> :)
[23:50] <bparker> whoevers those links are
[23:50] <dr_willis> bbl.
[23:50] <TAFB> Joeboy: it uses quite a bit of cpu running three str_replace commands after the page loads, on each page. It drops the speed from 17 pages per second down to 6.
[23:50] <Joeboy> Not sure why I'm defending PHP
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[23:50] <TAFB> lol
[23:51] <TAFB> bparker: My status page? It's going to have a whole bunch of websites on it shortly, it'll be gettin abused bigtime.
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[23:51] <axion> python is faster, uses less memory, has more/better libraries, and is reads like english.
[23:52] <bparker> if you love whitespace at least
[23:52] <bparker> :p
[23:52] <TAFB> axion: I've only ever used php. I'ma run with it for now :)
[23:52] <axion> not to mention is at the top for web application development
[23:52] <axion> though i am not a python fan
[23:52] <axion> i use CL
[23:52] <Joeboy> python is lovely
[23:52] <bparker> CL?
[23:52] <Maqs> use assembler, it's faster and you don't even need obfuscation :P
[23:52] <Joeboy> and the significant whitespace thing is a feature imo
[23:52] <axion> bparker: better than this language: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Whitespace_in_vim2.png
[23:53] <pksato> 4~
[23:53] <Joeboy> CL==common lisp, presumably
[23:53] <axion> i gave up python a couple years ago for lisp. once i learned it it makes for better RAD and less overall code
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[23:53] <axion> (game/web developer here)
[23:54] <pksato> lenzzzzz: I am dumping arch to SD.
[23:54] <axion> Joeboy: yes
[23:54] <lenzzzzz> pksato, man!!!
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[23:54] <lenzzzzz> don't worry
[23:54] <Joeboy> python for almost everything, C if it needs to be fast, asm if it needs to be really fast
[23:54] <Joeboy> imo
[23:54] <lenzzzzz> I think I found a solution
[23:55] <lenzzzzz> pksato, don't loose your time
[23:55] <axion> wanna see my latest project for the raspi
[23:55] <Essobi> :D
[23:55] <axion> here comes a lot of laughs....
[23:55] <Essobi> lulz
[23:55] <lenzzzzz> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_modules#Loading
[23:55] <pksato> not time losse
[23:55] <Joeboy> axion: oh go on then
[23:55] <axion> http://sprunge.us/SGVV
[23:55] <lenzzzzz> sorry I speak not wery well english
[23:56] <Joeboy> axion: That's great, probably ;-)
[23:56] <crenn> Ich verstehe du nicht
[23:56] <pksato> Even I.
[23:56] <axion> hahaha.
[23:56] <bparker> axion: how come you don't have problems with the USB controller dying?
[23:56] <xrosnight> axion: what's that
[23:57] <bparker> none of my pi's are usable because of that
[23:57] <axion> bparker: ?
[23:57] <bparker> ethernet, usb mouse/keyboard, etc., even with nothing connected, ethernet stops working within 1 hour
[23:57] <bparker> and rpi foundation is aware of the issue but has no fix that I know of
[23:57] <axion> xrosnight: nothing yet. soon to be a game for the pi (i make games)
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[23:57] <axion> bparker: not for me
[23:58] <axion> i have been up for almost 2 months uninterrupted
[23:58] <bparker> I don't understand... I'm ready to sell these things because they are useless
[23:58] <pksato> bparker: Request a replace to you seler.
[23:58] <axion> what he said
[23:58] <Essobi> bparker: You need to put a meter with minimum volt swing detection on TP1 and TP2
[23:58] <bparker> pksato: but all 5 of them? from different people
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[23:58] <bparker> Essobi: it's 5.02V
[23:58] <axion> sounds like your choice in power supplies then
[23:58] <axion> amperage
[23:58] <pksato> Five?
[23:58] <bparker> I've already verified it's not power
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[23:58] <pksato> all some issues?
[23:58] <bparker> yep
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[23:59] <axion> well i can say ive never experienced this
[23:59] <Essobi> axion: I'd say it sounds like power. ;)
[23:59] <pksato> and, different PSUs?
[23:59] <bparker> yep
[23:59] <Essobi> I got a bad pi in my first order.
[23:59] <Essobi> By different he means, brands, manus, lots, batches, etc.
[23:59] <bparker> first one I got from ebay, a 256mb one. then I got 4 512mb's from allied
[23:59] <Essobi> OH
[23:59] <bparker> all same issue
[23:59] <axion> i have a rev2 256
[23:59] <Essobi> Yea.. I got all mine from element

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