#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-12-22

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[0:01] <pksato> http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9944/rpihookedcap.jpg
[0:02] <TAFB> nice :) I woulda glued it over the raspberry logo and ran a wire header, but as long as it works :)
[0:03] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: might be easier, yep :)
[0:03] <TAFB> that's a great pic, you can see the crappy C6 in the background, and the supper inefficient RG2 as well ;)
[0:03] <Hexxeh> teh_orph: offscreen base is $1 = (CARD8 *) 0x5c40f000 <Address 0x5c40f000 out of bounds>
[0:03] <pksato> parts on RPi are chosen to be low cost.
[0:04] <TAFB> yep :(
[0:04] <teh_orph> yo
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[0:07] <gordonDrogon> anyway, that's the shortest day almost over. happy new year.
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[0:09] <bertrik> gordonDrogon: yes, it's nice to know days will get longer again from now on
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> looking forward to it!
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> but now it's time for bed..
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> laters..
[0:09] <TAFB> nite nite
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[0:21] <wting> Hi guys, I'm running openelec on my Pi but it's been randomly shutting down every 30 - 60 minutes and I can't figure out why.
[0:21] <wting> I'm using a good micro usb cord and the power brick from my Nexus (2.0A).
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[0:31] <ShiftPlusOne> anything plugged in on the USB side?
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[0:36] <TAFB> wting: if you've got a volt meter, check TP1-TP2 as the Pi is booting up, and keep track of the lowest number. You could have a bum F3 polyfuse. http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
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[0:37] <wting> TAFB: Thanks, that's the first thing I thought of but I'm at family's and they don't have a multimeter (and I left mine at home. :( )
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[0:40] <TAFB> wting: that sucks :( Check out when I used the cable from my phone (blackberry), supposed to be "good quality" :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw
[0:41] <wting> The Pi was working fine all afternoon, but in the last hour it's crashed non-stop and won't stay up more than a minute or two.
[0:41] <TAFB> After it was so crappy I cut it open, the power wires inside were TINY, 30 gauge!! I ordered this monster thick 24gauge cable and everything was fine after that: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5458&seq=1&format=2
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[0:41] <wting> Yeah I've replaced the brick, if it shuts down again I'll switch the wire.
[0:42] <TAFB> wting: mine was the same way, when the voltage drops it stresses the F3 poly fuse because the regulator RG2 tried to draw too much current, then only if you leave your Pi unpowered for an hour or two, will it reset enough for the Pi to work for a while again
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[0:42] <TAFB> polyfuses are very strange beasts
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[0:42] <wting> TAFB: yeah I'm using this wire: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004GF8TIK/ref=wms_ohs_product
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[0:43] <wting> Also, it could just be the house is going through brown outs.
[0:43] <wting> From my family coming home and cranking up all the heaters.
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[0:45] <wting> Ugh, I don't want to have to get a line voltage regulator to get clean power.
[0:46] <TAFB> wting: cable looks OK. is there any printing on the jacket of the cable?
[0:46] <TAFB> and did ya see my awesome Pi status page? :) http://tafb.yi.org/
[0:47] <wting> yes, but it's just company branding
[0:47] <wting> haha nice
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[0:50] <wting> Hmm, I've switched to cord from my Nexus 7 and it's been up for 4 minutes.
[0:50] * wting keeping my fingers crossed
[0:50] <wting> ahh I jinxed it
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[1:03] <Aranel> frikinz: got a second? I tried the watchdog on RasPi and a forkbomb, but unfortunately it didn't reboot. What to do now?
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[1:03] <Aranel> It's display is now blank and SSH is not working but I can still ping it.
[1:05] <wting> forkbomb shouldn't last past a power cycle
[1:05] <piney> a fork bomb never triggered the watchdog for me.
[1:06] <Aranel> well it effectively killed all the functionality of RasPi, I hoped that watchdog would reboot it. I also set it up to kill if loadavg goes over 24 for a minute.
[1:07] <relevante> anyone know the trick to getting a large (~3TB) HFS+ partition to mount? I can mount a large ext4 partition or a 1TB HFS+ partition (albeit read only at the moment), but not a large HFS+. Any pointers?
[1:07] <piney> when i try to use owfs, i trigger the watchdog, so I know it works on mine. took me a few months before i found out heh
[1:08] <plugwash> I think the trouble with forkbombs is they have a habbit of triggering the OOM killer
[1:08] <plugwash> which can kill important stuff but leave the kernel running
[1:09] <plugwash> and quite possiblly not trigger the watchdog :(
[1:09] <piney> can the oom killer be turned off for testing easily?
[1:10] <plugwash> not sure it can be turned off per-se
[1:10] <plugwash> iirc there is an option to tell the kernel not to overcommit memory which should stop the oom killer being invoked (though stuff could still crash because of being unable to allocate memory)
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[1:11] <Aranel> hmm so is there any solution for using Pi remote? Should I teach my neighbors to do SysRq + REISUB ? :)
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[1:17] <TAFB> oh baby... time to get my e-mail server setup :)
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[1:34] <Tachyon`> is there any way to rotate the console on the pi 90 degrees and perhaps adjust it for 272x480 framebuffer, perhaps something like the old X mode lines
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[1:34] <wting> TAFB: I swapped out the SD card into another Pi and it's working fine now. The random shutdowns on the first one, should I be replacing the F3 polyfuse?
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[1:35] <TAFB> wting: most people just solder a wide from one side of F3 to the other to bypass it, I did it to my Pi, much more stable after.
[1:35] <TAFB> solder a wire...
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[1:39] <wting> hmm, are there instructions anywhere?
[1:39] <mbalho> anyone know on raspbian how to disconnect from wifi without bringing the device down? sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid off doesnt do anything
[1:39] <TAFB> are you good at at soldering? you see the two metal edges of F3? you solder a wire from one side to the other.
[1:39] <Tachyon`> hrm, seems console rotation is possible with a kernel patch
[1:40] <Tachyon`> erm, a kernel option
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[1:40] <Tachyon`> as for persuading it to output 480x272, that might be a bit trickier
[1:40] <wting> TAFB: Oh ok, yeah I can probably do that. Not EE, but the last time I did any soldering was with PS1 and PS2's. :P
[1:40] <TAFB> rofl :) lol. If you could do the tiny stuff in the PS2, this will be a piece of cake ;)
[1:41] <Tachyon`> that has to be the most redundant set of emotes I've ever seen
[1:41] <TAFB> it gave me a good chuckle, so I had to make that clear
[1:41] <TAFB> was more than just a smile
[1:42] <pksato> Is more easy to power RPi from GPIO pins, instead of replacing F3.
[1:42] <TAFB> pksato: I just bridge F3, easy, provides flawless power :)
[1:42] <TAFB> but I agree, GPIO, while super dangerous, is a good way to power as well
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[1:43] <mbalho> why is gpio super dangerous
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> it does not have the debatable protection of the normal input
[1:43] <TAFB> if you put power to the wrong pin, reverse polarity, short some pins = fried Pi.
[1:44] <TAFB> SpeedEvil: the "protection" I call on the normal input, is a nice pre-wired shielded microUSB connect.
[1:44] <TAFB> that's enough protection for almost anyone, cept if they set their pi on a metal plate
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[1:44] <TAFB> lol
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> hard to reverse
[1:44] <TAFB> very
[1:44] <TAFB> i've seen it done
[1:44] <TAFB> but very
[1:45] <pksato> some need to seler a safe cable to pw RPi from GPIO. :)
[1:45] <TAFB> what would be awesome!
[1:46] <TAFB> i got some super beefy 16ga wires that end in a nice 2 pin plastic connector that fits perfect right on the GPIO, but someone said to never power it with pin4, only pin2?
[1:47] <pksato> pin4 and pin2 are shorted.
[1:47] <TAFB> that's what I thought
[1:47] <TAFB> from looking at the wiring diagram
[1:47] <TAFB> strange.
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[1:47] <TAFB> I think the person had a version 1 Pi, I think in version 1 pin 4 is not used?
[1:48] <pksato> no change on this pin.
[1:48] <TAFB> hmmm. wacky. maybe people say to use 2 and 6 just so there is seperation, so no chance of touching power to pin 6 ;)
[1:50] <pksato> just use a appropriate conector.
[1:51] <TAFB> for sure, but polarity is easy to reverse. with a separate connector going for pin 2 and 6 I think it would be harder to reverse, you have to pay attention when you connect each separate wire.
[1:51] <pksato> I found this on my junkbox https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MWT41S6N4v7NXoBdmaNEjdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0
[1:51] * [SLB] is now known as [SLB]`
[1:51] <TAFB> ohhh nice connector :)
[1:51] <TAFB> I've been using those 3 pin case fan connectors, nice thick wires, fit perfect on the GPIO :)
[1:52] <pksato> GPIO lack a notch pin
[1:52] <TAFB> http://www.cable-trader.co.uk/images/items/Internal%203%20pin%20fan%20power%20extension%200.3m.jpg
[1:53] <pksato> and, some precautions https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UcxfzxSVkyMhNz4cEBblANMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0
[1:53] <TAFB> yeah, that's a sweet setup :)
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[2:07] <dr_willis> well.. got me a new Wii Game for Xmas.. and the grandkids wont let me play it... ;P
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[2:29] <Coburn> > Wii
[2:29] <Coburn> Not Wii U?
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[2:54] <Hexxeh> anyone here with despotify installed?
[2:54] <Hexxeh> it broke, right?
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[2:59] <TAFB> oh no :( citadel doesn't support a "catch all" e-mail account! NOOOO! That means I won't be able to use it :(
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[2:59] <Climuff> hi
[2:59] <TAFB> hi muff
[2:59] <Climuff> anyone here who can help me with installing the java jdk8 on my raspberry pi?
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[3:00] <Climuff> i followed the instructins, but i get the error "Could not find or load main class"
[3:01] <Climuff> when I want to start a jar program
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[3:03] <Climuff> no ideas?
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[3:10] <Climuff> :(
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[3:22] <ParkerR_> Umm
[3:22] <ParkerR_> There is no jdk 8
[3:22] <TAFB> her ParkerR_
[3:23] <TAFB> hey
[3:23] <TAFB> i meant
[3:23] <ParkerR_> Aaaaannndd he's gone
[3:23] <TAFB> :)
[3:23] <ParkerR_> Hola
[3:23] <TAFB> Turns out I can't use Citadel as an e-mail server on the Pi :( It doesn't support a catch-all account!
[3:23] <TAFB> I got it all setup, tweaked, works amazing
[3:23] <ParkerR_> Nice
[3:23] <TAFB> but can't use it because of no catch-all :(
[3:24] <TAFB> i guess I'll have to find another "easy to setup/use" e-mail server for the Pi that supports it :(
[3:25] <TAFB> Citadel ran so fast and nice too, you config it all in your web browser :) that's my kinda linux setup ;)
[3:26] <ParkerR_> Meh I just use Gamil :P
[3:26] <ParkerR_> *Gmail
[3:26] <TAFB> I've always had my own domain, for 15 years :)
[3:26] <TAFB> always ran my own in-house mail server too
[3:27] <TAFB> I was getting my e-mail on my cell phone back before cell phones could even send text messages ;)
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[3:39] <Torikun> y
[3:39] <Torikun> i
[3:39] <Torikun> TAFB: yo
[3:39] <TAFB> sup
[3:39] <TAFB> bad news man
[3:39] <Torikun> I setup a DNS server on my pi today
[3:39] <Torikun> what
[3:39] <TAFB> congrats :)
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[3:39] <Torikun> Made life a tad bit easier for home
[3:39] <TAFB> I can't use Citadel as my mail server, it doesn't support a "catch all" account.
[3:40] <Torikun> what is a catch all
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[3:40] <TAFB> you have my e-mail address right? make up the first part so tafbisawesome@tafb..... and i'll still get it ;)
[3:40] <plugwash> an account that recieves mail from *@host
[3:41] <SpeedEvil> sendmail can do that
[3:41] <Torikun> oh
[3:41] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, pretty much every decent MTA can
[3:41] <Torikun> I got a big problem with the PI, it looses its time after every boot
[3:41] <plugwash> personally I wouldn't go reccomendin sendmail nowadays though.......
[3:41] <SpeedEvil> quite
[3:41] <Torikun> and DNS does not work if the time is not right!
[3:41] <TAFB> Citadel was so easy to set up, config with web browser! that's my kinda linux setup ;)
[3:41] <Torikun> TAFB: yup =)
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[3:41] <SpeedEvil> Torikun: it has no clock
[3:42] <Torikun> ntp does not sync the time either
[3:42] <SpeedEvil> Torikun: ntpd early in boot
[3:42] <Torikun> SpeedEvil: that would be ideal but ntpdate -s pool.ntp.org does not update it either
[3:42] <TAFB> can anyone recommend a super spiffy e-mail server program for the Pi (that supports catch-all, lol)
[3:42] <Torikun> TAFB: probably dovecot postfix lol
[3:43] <TAFB> Torikun: pool.ntp.org banned my ip address, lol. but if you use yourcountry.pool.ntp.org it might work
[3:43] <TAFB> like I use ca.pool.ntp.org and it works flawless
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[3:45] <Torikun> anyone one else having time issues on arch
[3:45] <TAFB> Torikun: not sure how many of my messages you missed, but here they are:
[3:45] <TAFB> [21:42] <+TAFB> Torikun: pool.ntp.org banned my ip address, lol. but if you use yourcountry.pool.ntp.org it might work
[3:45] <TAFB> [21:43] <+TAFB> like I use ca.pool.ntp.org and it works flawless
[3:45] <Torikun> ah
[3:45] <TAFB> Torikun: No freakin way I'm using postfix/devcot, I dun do command line :)
[3:45] <Torikun> lol
[3:45] <Torikun> i will try your ntp
[3:45] <Torikun> it is a pain in the ass to reboot and test lol
[3:45] <TAFB> what country you in?
[3:46] <Torikun> USA - California
[3:46] <TAFB> k. there's probably like us.pool.ntp.org
[3:46] <TAFB> or even maybe what state you're in, it's been so long since they banned me I dun even know :)
[3:46] <Torikun> it works fine on redhat!
[3:46] <Torikun> I wish I could run CentOS on there
[3:46] <TAFB> stange, lol.
[3:47] <Torikun> DNS was such a simple setup on centos also compared to arch
[3:47] <Torikun> but it is nice not to have to keep updating /etc/hosts on all my systems now lol
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[3:47] <adeel> hmmm...even with the pi overclocked to 900 mhz, it still stutters on mkv playback
[3:47] <adeel> how annoying
[3:48] <n13z> wash your face on my sink
[3:48] <Torikun> adeel: yeah it sucks lol
[3:48] <n13z> oops, sorry
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[3:48] <mrhobbz> lol wat
[3:48] <adeel> Torikun: seems like i'll have to try 950 or 1000mhz
[3:48] <Torikun> how to make ntp start way before named?
[3:48] <Torikun> with systemd
[3:48] <TAFB> adeel: don't use raspi-config to go to 1ghz or kiss your OS goodbye.
[3:49] <TAFB> adeel: check out my config.txt on my status page, page attention to the part about voiding your warranty if you're concerened about that at all: http://tafb.yi.org/
[3:49] <TAFB> (not brought to you on port 80! yeah baby, vhosts working with pancake! woot!)
[3:49] <TAFB> now...
[3:49] * Torikun ponders if I should reboot to test the dns server per what TAFB ... I will loose DNS at home if I do
[3:50] <Torikun> I should not get disconnected from here by loosing DNS right?
[3:50] <adeel> TAFB: yeah, i've tried your settings in the past and i couldn't get the raspberry to even boot
[3:50] * Torikun remembers irssi is running on the pi
[3:50] <TAFB> adeel: ahhh, you're not running wheezy?
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[3:50] <adeel> nope, openelec for now
[3:51] <TAFB> adeel: ahhh. yes, have heard similar reports of my settings not working on that.
[3:51] <adeel> TAFB: but the distro should have ZERO bearing on overclocking
[3:51] <TAFB> adeel: lol. you got me then ;)
[3:51] <adeel> maybe something about the kernel settings...but everything else, i highly doubt
[3:51] <TAFB> adeel: you have ver 2 512mb pi?
[3:51] <adeel> TAFB: heh, i'll probably roll my own distro
[3:51] <adeel> TAFB: yeah, you and i went through this a few days ago =p
[3:52] <TAFB> adeel: I had to roll my own dynamic page caching technology, works flawless :) good luck with your kernel :)
[3:52] <adeel> TAFB: heh, the kernel is easy
[3:52] <n13z> adeel: that's a nice experience to build from scratch
[3:52] <TAFB> adeel: I am sorry :( My memory is totally shot from my car accident :( ***WARNING IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH*** http://ecuflashking.com/accident/
[3:52] <adeel> n13z: i run gentoo, i'm pretty used to it
[3:53] <adeel> TAFB: ah, no worries...i was the gent who helped you switch your root to USB
[3:53] <adeel> the hardest part will be setting up the toolchain
[3:53] <TAFB> adeel: Ahhh, then I thank you for that again, it's working freakin sweet. I DD backed up my SSD over FTP too, worked equally sweet.
[3:53] <adeel> TAFB: heh, i'm running my pi off a usb flash drive
[3:54] <TAFB> adeel: nice! Can you do some performance tests with IOzone for me? I'm making a kinda database. I can help you run it if you want :)
[3:55] <adeel> TAFB: it's not installed on the openelec build i'm using; let me roll my own distro and sure
[3:55] <TAFB> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15710882/iozone3_397-2_armhf.deb
[3:55] <TAFB> ^^^ will that not work for you?
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[3:55] <adeel> TAFB: apparently it will
[3:55] <TAFB> haha. k. once it's installed lemme know and I'll give ya the super secret command to run.
[3:56] <TAFB> needs 1gb of free space on your USB stick, you got that?
[3:56] <adeel> TAFB: sure
[3:56] <TAFB> woot
[3:56] <TAFB> Ok, the test command is: iozone -e -a -s 1000M -r 4k -r 512k -r 16M -i 0 -i 1 -i 2 -Rb chart.wks
[3:56] <TAFB> that will test 4k, 512k and 16mb read, writes, re-writes, re-reads and random writes and reads
[3:57] <TAFB> and will spit out a pretty microsoft excel chart too :)
[3:57] <adeel> yup, i'm decently familiar with iozone
[3:57] <ParkerR_> "A ?catchall? email address is an address which receives all mail directed to your domain for which no local recipient is found (nonexistent users). This is not a recommended practice because it renders your system quite vulnerable to a Directory Harvest Attack. Because of this risk, Citadel does not implement this feature."
[3:57] <TAFB> pastebin the contents of chart.wks when done and I'll generate a graph, I have the excel template ready to rock :)
[3:58] <adeel> anyone bother remapping the buttons off a samsung tv remote to work with xbmc?
[3:58] <TAFB> ParkerR_: I know, I've already complained to Citadel :(
[3:58] <TAFB> and I've been running catch-all for 15 years without issues, lol.
[3:58] <ParkerR_> TAFB, Why not just setup an account and use that?
[3:58] <plugwash> does citadel use it's own built in smtp server
[3:58] <TAFB> ParkerR_: read this, explains it good: http://uncensored.citadel.org/readfwd?go=Citadel%20Support?start_reading_at=3370132
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[3:58] <TAFB> plugwash: I believe it does.
[3:59] <TAFB> plugwash: it's a self contained program, uses no outside hooks, modules, nothing.
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[3:59] <ParkerR_> Umm
[3:59] <ParkerR_> That talks about cc
[3:59] <plugwash> one option if you really want to use citadel may be to have another MTA listen for incoming mail and gather together the mail for the catchall
[3:59] <plugwash> then pass it on to citadel
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[4:01] <TAFB> ParkerR_: http://pastebin.com/gqDfC0Nx
[4:03] <TAFB> i need catch all because I have thousands of e-mail addresses I've given out, that I don't know what they are, lol :)
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[4:05] <ParkerR_> "I has served me flawlessly..." haha
[4:05] <TAFB> lol
[4:06] <TAFB> these meds I'm on, even when I proof read ish before I post it, my brain reads it perfect, but when I read it a few mins later, it makes no sense what so ever :)
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[4:07] <ScarletSwordfish> hello!
[4:07] <TAFB> well hello
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[4:07] <Torikun> I figured ut out
[4:07] <TAFB> nice!
[4:08] <TAFB> I was going to get you to run: ntpq -pn
[4:08] <TAFB> and see what the output was ;)
[4:08] <Torikun> edit the systemd ntpd.service and change th ntpdate command to have -qa
[4:08] <TAFB> what's -qa?
[4:08] <Torikun> wait dns stopped working for some reason
[4:08] * TAFB is not good with DNS
[4:08] <ScarletSwordfish> i got my brother an RPi for Christmas, and i'm wondering what software i should install on it
[4:08] <Torikun> ow did I fet here
[4:09] <TAFB> ScarletSwordfish: what does he want to do with it? Stream movies to his TV?
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[4:09] <ScarletSwordfish> he doesn't have a main computer, just an android phone and a kindle fire
[4:09] <TAFB> ScarletSwordfish: ahhh. I recommend Wheezy then, jack of all trades.
[4:10] <Torikun> oh
[4:10] <TAFB> ScarletSwordfish: It has xwindows/lxde "startx", web browser (lol), and he can make it into a web server, e-mail server, etc :)
[4:10] <ScarletSwordfish> so i was hoping it would be something to give him a little more flexibility
[4:10] <ScarletSwordfish> sounds good
[4:10] <UnaClocker> Got my lapdock. Still need to get the adapter cables though.
[4:10] <TAFB> UnaClocker: pics?!:?!?2
[4:11] <UnaClocker> After I get it wired up..
[4:11] <TAFB> ppfffttt
[4:11] <TAFB> the display is so sexy on those lapdocks
[4:11] <Torikun> usr/bin/ntpd -qg -u ntp:ntp
[4:11] <TAFB> flawless super perfect res for the Pi, can't believe how clear it is.
[4:11] <UnaClocker> My wife wrapped the darn thing and stuck it under the tree. She's lucky I don't have the adapter cables yet. heheh
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[4:12] <TAFB> UnaClocker: rofl :)
[4:12] <UnaClocker> heh, at $40, it was cheaper than most Pi cases..
[4:12] <TAFB> wow, great deal! Here I can't get em for under $70USD
[4:15] <Hexxeh> can anyone suggest a python library that lets me playback mp3 on both osx and linux?
[4:15] * UnaClocker bows before Hexxeh.
[4:15] <UnaClocker> :)
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[4:21] <Aranel> I wonder why my Raspbmc performance is so low, most videos are out of sync (video goes slow, audio is faster), is it the same for everyone or just me?
[4:22] <shiftplusone> might have more luck in #raspbmc
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[4:24] <Aranel> oh so it does have a channel on freenode, that's nice ^^
[4:24] <TAFB> i was hoping there would be a #pancake on freenode, but no such luck
[4:24] <TAFB> maybe I should start one :)
[4:24] <ScarletSwordfish> :o a channel about pancakes?
[4:24] <pksato> Aranel: what meia player ?
[4:25] <shiftplusone> yeah, but then you'll have confused food critics in there.
[4:25] <pksato> media
[4:25] <Aranel> xbmc
[4:25] <TAFB> ScarletSwordfish: it's a webserver for the Pi, it's running my status page: http://tafb.yi.org
[4:25] <Hexxeh> geez, cross-platform audio is a bitch :(
[4:25] <pksato> proper xbmc for rpi?
[4:26] <Aranel> installed raspbmc, isn't it proper?
[4:26] <Aranel> I'm a beginner, got my RasPi today :)
[4:26] <pksato> yes.
[4:26] <shiftplusone> Aranel, your media player is fine.
[4:26] <pksato> but, you videos are h264?
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[4:27] <TAFB> hmmm, chanserv has #pancake with no topic... hmmm.
[4:28] <Aranel> pksato: :/ I'm a bit a shaky about video codecs. One of them is a 684MB AVI (xvid), it's unplayable, video lags
[4:29] <Aranel> BBT episodes are 500MB~ MKV files, they play pretty good.
[4:29] <pksato> mkv are h264
[4:29] <pksato> avi not all
[4:31] <Aranel> well those mkv files are okay. but AVI movies are lagging. Also tried one or two BluRay movies just to test, they -as I guessed- didn't work at all.
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[4:31] <Aranel> quality-wise, MKV ones are better than AVI files (they look very, very bad), it's kind of weird to me.
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[4:36] <pksato> Aranel: RPi play video using GPU. and GPU can only decode H264 codec.
[4:37] <pksato> other codecs are decode using a very very slow CPU.
[4:37] <Aranel> pksato: would adding the other 2 codecs on the Store help or they're completely unrelated?
[4:38] <pksato> if you have mpeg2 or vc1 videos.
[4:38] <pksato> mpeg2 are DVDs.
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[4:39] <Torikun> oi
[4:39] <Aranel> pksato: oh thanks :) so there's no way to play xvid 's faster?
[4:39] <Torikun> Aranel: using omxplayer?
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[4:40] <Aranel> Torikun: can I use it with XBMC or is it a different beast?
[4:40] <Torikun> xmbc uses omxplayer I think
[4:41] <Torikun> omx is the only way to watch movies
[4:41] <Torikun> currently
[4:41] <torgo> Howdy does anyone else have trouble signing in to websites in Midori on Arch?
[4:41] <Torikun> torgo: I do! I can not login gmail!
[4:41] <TAFB> torgo: you'll find out there isn't much love for Midori on here
[4:41] <torgo> I can't log into anything
[4:41] <torgo> Firefox then?
[4:41] <torgo> I figured this thing wouldn't be able to handle it
[4:41] <Torikun> midori is all we have on arch now
[4:41] <torgo> o
[4:41] <TAFB> ahhh, arch
[4:42] <Torikun> epiphany sucks also torgo
[4:42] <Torikun> you can try it lol
[4:42] <torgo> I'd go debian if there was a barebones version
[4:42] <Aranel> Torikun: well most of my AVI's (SD Quality, 700~ MB) lags on video, they're unplayable
[4:42] <Torikun> ah
[4:42] <Torikun> same here
[4:42] <Aranel> Torikun: I was looking for a way to play them.
[4:42] <Aranel> ah so I'm not the only one :)
[4:42] <Torikun> I had to switch back to my old WD media center rather than my pie
[4:42] <UnaClocker> Meh, the stock debian IS pretty barebones.. I spend about a day downloading all the packages after a fresh install..
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[4:43] <torgo> UnaClocker: you mean the one you can get from the raspi site?
[4:43] <Torikun> SO my PI is just an email/DNS server now sitting on the shelf
[4:43] <torgo> I found it pretty full with crap
[4:43] <Torikun> and web
[4:43] <UnaClocker> torgo: yes
[4:43] <torgo> last time I tried it I mean
[4:43] <Aranel> looks like I'll go the same way too. Too bad I can't use Pi as a media center
[4:43] <TAFB> ScarletSwordfish: I made ##pancake, new channel :)
[4:43] <Torikun> rusher81572.com <--see how slow the pi is as a www server
[4:43] <pksato> convert video codec to h264, GPU can do it very fast. BUt, I dont know any sw to do.
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[4:44] <Aranel> Torikun: It took 4~ seconds to view a page
[4:44] <Torikun> oh dam
[4:44] <UnaClocker> pksato: Handbrake
[4:44] <TAFB> Torikun: your web server sucks, look how fast my Pi is, take .0021 seconds to render page! http://tafb.yi.org/
[4:44] <Torikun> what did you do TAFB
[4:44] <Torikun> yours is so fast
[4:45] <Torikun> maybe drupal
[4:45] <TAFB> Torikun: Pancake + PHP5 + my super special dynamic page caching technology :)
[4:45] <Torikun> lol
[4:45] <TAFB> and my Pi is on SSD dun forget ;)
[4:45] <Torikun> my pi is on a ssd card also
[4:45] <TAFB> sd card
[4:45] <TAFB> or ssd
[4:45] <Aranel> Torikun: a small question: where did you get that status page. It looks awesome! :)
[4:45] <Torikun> I got it from TAFB who got it from someone else
[4:45] <TAFB> atouk is the original creator
[4:45] <Torikun> Aranel: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/piwww.zip
[4:45] <Aranel> can I have one? :)
[4:46] <Aranel> yay!
[4:46] <Torikun> u can has one =)
[4:46] <TAFB> status pages for everyone!
[4:46] <Torikun> anyone on a mac? I can not use alt on irrsi to see other channels
[4:46] <pksato> omxplayer experimental can not play if .srt are in latin1. :(
[4:47] <TAFB> I wrote the Wheezy people, saying it should come installed by default, so people can keep an eye on their Pi's. they didn't reply.
[4:47] * UnaClocker is on his Pi.
[4:47] * Torikun is ssh'ed into PI from mac
[4:47] <Torikun> sd card
[4:47] <Torikun> how you connect ssd TAFB
[4:47] <TAFB> pfft. sd card garbage
[4:47] <TAFB> ssd is where it's at.
[4:48] <UnaClocker> I use Textual for IRC on my mac..
[4:48] <Torikun> they are both SSD lol
[4:48] <TAFB> just get USB 2.0 (or 3.0) to SATA adapter.
[4:48] <TAFB> instant SSD
[4:48] <TAFB> my SSD: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[4:48] <Torikun> USB IO greater ?
[4:48] <TAFB> is in the dvd rom looking thing ;)
[4:48] <torgo> anyone try arora browser on arch?
[4:48] <TAFB> Torikun: slightly faster, but main performance increase is with the SSD in randome read/write.
[4:49] <Torikun> i loaded the pic don't understand it
[4:49] <TAFB> Torikun: check out the performance difference, look at 4k random write speed (i.e. e-mail server) and 4k random read (i.e. web server): http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
[4:49] <Torikun> looks like a pi is connected to a few pc's
[4:49] <Torikun> and a dvd drive
[4:49] <TAFB> Torikun: you are funny :)
[4:49] <Torikun> what is the device under the dvd
[4:49] <Torikun> UPS?
[4:50] <TAFB> Torikun: Inside the DVD drive is this SSD drive: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1088&item_id=047585
[4:50] <TAFB> yep, UPS is underneath
[4:50] <Torikun> oh lol
[4:50] <TAFB> I know, I did it that way to trick people :)
[4:50] <Torikun> so basically your SSD is at USB speed
[4:50] <TAFB> everyone is like WTF u got DVD on your Pi for?
[4:50] <pksato> Video codec omx-mpeg4 width 624 height 352 profile 15 fps 23.976025
[4:50] <Torikun> so basically your SSD is at USB speed TAFB ?
[4:51] <pksato> let me see if play
[4:51] <TAFB> Torikun: The speed of the Pi is not in the transfer bandwidth of USB, but the i/o operations it can preform.
[4:51] <Torikun> i would be better using any USB drive then
[4:51] <Torikun> you do not use SDCARD at all TAFB ?
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[4:52] <Torikun> I connected an old flash drive for swap and /var/log, save on writes to the SDCARD
[4:52] <TAFB> Torikun: Yep, regular USB hard drive give pretty good performance, about 300% faster than SD. My SSD is 1133% faster than SD ;)
[4:52] <torgo> Wait... is the ssd the biggest bottleneck on the pi?
[4:52] <torgo> er
[4:52] <torgo> sd card*
[4:52] <TAFB> Torikun: you need SD card to boot, I have 128mb old class1 card to boot the Pi.
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[4:52] <TAFB> torgo: depends on what you're doing with the Pi
[4:52] <Torikun> and the OS on SDCARD ?
[4:53] <TAFB> Torikun: Only tiny boot file, 56mb on SD card, operating system on SSD drive.
[4:53] <Torikun> how do you partition it during install
[4:53] <TAFB> Torikun: when you get one, I will help you set it up.
[4:53] <Torikun> k
[4:53] <TAFB> Torikun: if you use berryboot, it can do it for you, look for option "install OS to USB" :)
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[4:53] <Torikun> just /boot on the SD card and / and /home on the SSD?
[4:53] <TAFB> but I transfered my existing operating system to the SSD
[4:54] <TAFB> Torikun: yep
[4:54] <TAFB> Torikun: you change cmdline.txt or whatever to point OS to /dev/sda2 or whatever your USB drive is called.
[4:54] <TAFB> and then you gotta do something with the fstab
[4:54] <TAFB> then it works, and is so retarded fast.
[4:54] <Torikun> nice
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[4:55] <Torikun> https://code.google.com/p/mephistobackup/ <--wish I could make this work on the pi
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[4:55] <Torikun> but easier dd'ing your PI
[4:55] <TAFB> Torikun: Why can't you setup rsync to do it? Works awesome, specially saving to my windows box over cifs share, very fast.
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[4:56] <Torikun> TAFB: rsync / to another location?
[4:56] <Torikun> how do you restore it ?
[4:56] <TAFB> yeah, rsync to NAS drive or computer box.
[4:56] <TAFB> I boot live linux CD in my PC, then just copy the files to the SD card.
[4:56] <TAFB> already tried it, worked sweet.
[4:56] <Torikun> TAFB: the only pc I have with a reader is my mac that does not read ext4
[4:57] <TAFB> Torikun: tricky. Is it an intel mac?
[4:57] <Torikun> Yeah
[4:57] <TAFB> Torikun: then you should be able to boot up Live CD, like knoppix in it, no?
[4:57] <Torikun> Yeah,,,,,
[4:57] <TAFB> perfect
[4:57] <Torikun> dd takes over an hour to restore
[4:57] <Torikun> paintful!
[4:58] <Torikun> 8GB card
[4:58] <TAFB> imagine dd on a 120gb ssd, big file, backs up all free space :(
[4:58] <Torikun> lol
[4:58] <TAFB> ... //192.168.1.82/movies cifs 1.9T 901G 952G 49% /media/movies
[4:59] <Torikun> lol
[4:59] <Torikun> same size as mine
[4:59] <TAFB> i see you already have shares mounted, just save backup to one of them :)
[4:59] <TAFB> i pasted that from your status page
[4:59] <TAFB> lol
[4:59] <Torikun> oh lol
[4:59] <TAFB> rofl
[4:59] <Torikun> doh!
[4:59] <TAFB> i can see ur filez!
[4:59] <Torikun> really?
[4:59] <TAFB> ... //192.168.1.82/porn_collection cifs 1.9T 901G 952G 49% /srv/http/CentOS
[4:59] <TAFB> ^^^ files
[5:00] <Torikun> you can see my mounts lol
[5:00] <TAFB> hehe
[5:00] <TAFB> i know
[5:00] <TAFB> :)
[5:00] <Torikun> and my PI is a centos repo lol
[5:00] <pksato> mpeg4 play smooth,
[5:00] <cyclick> I have been trying to use the rpi as a NAS drive but it isnt very reliable (I have a USB NTFS HD attached to the Rpi using USB hub mounted in Windows).. what is the best setup to achieve this?
[5:00] <TAFB> on my status page, people can even see what files I have open :)
[5:01] <Torikun> lol
[5:01] <TAFB> cyclick: the i/o performance on the Pi absolutely sucks, especially as network server because network card shares same bus as usb controller.
[5:01] <UnaClocker> The Pi makes a HORRIBLE NAS
[5:01] <Torikun> UnaClocker: really?
[5:01] <Torikun> explain I had a thought about it
[5:01] <TAFB> ^^^
[5:01] <Torikun> slow IO?
[5:01] <UnaClocker> The ethernet is only 100mbit, it;s on the USB bus along with any hard drive you plan to make network attached....
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[5:02] <Torikun> oh
[5:02] <TAFB> yeah, good luck getting even close to 100mbit out of it even :)
[5:02] <cyclick> ok I guess I will find an alternative then...
[5:02] <UnaClocker> 100mbit is slower than most hard drives, by a long shot.
[5:02] <Torikun> what good is this pi then lol
[5:02] <TAFB> cyclick: some external hard drives now have gigabit ethernet port built right in!
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[5:02] <Torikun> makes a good torrent server for transmission =)
[5:02] <TAFB> cyclick: I just picked up a 3TB for $99USD!
[5:02] <UnaClocker> Torikun: I use mine for chatting in #raspberrypi
[5:02] <Torikun> lol me too
[5:03] <Aranel> Torikun: it's a good question. I also wonder who/how uses raspi for everyday use
[5:03] <Torikun> DNS/WEB/EMAIL/TORRENT/CENTOS REPO here =)
[5:03] <Torikun> Aranel: see my previous post for everyday use lol
[5:03] <cyclick> TAFB, still have the link handy ?
[5:04] <TAFB> which link?
[5:04] <UnaClocker> I use my 3 year old SheevaPlug as a nas, firewall, webserver, torrent box.. It's like a Pi, but has gigabit ethernet, and ESATA...
[5:04] <TAFB> sorry, my memory is very bad
[5:04] <Torikun> wow
[5:04] <Torikun> UnaClocker: it downloads torrents also?
[5:04] <TAFB> oh, hard drive?
[5:04] <TAFB> yes
[5:04] <TAFB> lol
[5:04] <UnaClocker> Yeah
[5:04] <TAFB> one sec
[5:04] <Torikun> nice
[5:04] <cyclick> Torikun, it works good to watch movies and listen to internet radio
[5:04] <Torikun> and you get better performance
[5:05] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I can max out the hard drive's speed over the network..
[5:05] * Torikun is curious if everyone is getting their $35 worth
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[5:05] <UnaClocker> I've got 6 Pi, I think I'm getting my money's worth.
[5:05] * Torikun has two PI's
[5:05] <UnaClocker> I sold two of my AppleTV's and replaced them with RaspBMC machines.
[5:05] <Torikun> my other pi is my daughters desktop
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[5:06] <Torikun> sheuses chrome over ssh
[5:06] <Torikun> on her pi
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[5:06] <UnaClocker> My 4 year old daughter loves to type on the Pi. She's got her name and a few simple words down.
[5:06] <Torikun> who was talking about web broesers on pi?
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[5:07] <cyclick> Torikun, if you dont get your $35 worth, sell it for $50
[5:07] <Torikun> lol
[5:07] <ScarletSwordfish> tell me about web broesers on the pi
[5:07] <Torikun> ScarletSwordfish: I just use chrome over ssh from my other server
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[5:07] <Torikun> since the PI sucks for browsing
[5:07] <Torikun> best solution at the moment
[5:08] <ScarletSwordfish> why sucks :(
[5:08] <Torikun> no flash or java
[5:08] <Torikun> and can not login some sites
[5:08] <ScarletSwordfish> oh.
[5:08] <UnaClocker> I still haven't found a way to view YouTube on my Pi, short of airplay into XBMC from my phone./.
[5:08] <Torikun> UnaClocker: I believe I had chopping utube with midori
[5:08] <Torikun> forgot
[5:10] <TAFB> 3TB hard drive with ethernet, usb and esata: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/mega-harddrive-thread-1tb-90-2tb-110-3tb-150-a-1172123/7/#post14704059
[5:10] <TAFB> for whoever was askin
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[5:10] <TAFB> i forgot, it's even wifi too
[5:10] <TAFB> lol
[5:11] <Torikun> it would be bad to put your transmission web public right
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[5:11] <shiftplusone> is it hackable?
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[5:11] <ScarletSwordfish> could one print from an RPi?
[5:11] <Torikun> everyone could see your downloads lol
[5:11] <Torikun> ScarletSwordfish: cups server sure
[5:11] <TAFB> ScarletSwordfish: yep! lots of people have done it.
[5:11] <cyclick> TAFB, you got ethernet on your bike?
[5:11] <shiftplusone> Torikun, have you generated new ssh keys yet?
[5:11] <Torikun> no why
[5:12] <shiftplusone> Torikun, if your pi is online, it's wide open for root access right now.
[5:12] <TAFB> Torikun: if you don't and open port 22 I can connect to your Pi with no password!
[5:12] <Torikun> how would you connect iwth no password
[5:12] <Torikun> it requires a ssh key to login
[5:12] <TAFB> Use the stored SSH key
[5:12] <TAFB> :)
[5:12] <cyclick> TAFB, thanks
[5:12] <TAFB> ssh key is built into OS image
[5:12] <TAFB> not generated like fersh install
[5:12] <Torikun> I am using ARch
[5:12] <TAFB> oh
[5:12] <TAFB> not got from .img
[5:12] <TAFB> ?
[5:12] <Torikun> I am sure I generated a key when I installed arch
[5:13] <TAFB> not if it was from IMG, but if fresh install then yes.
[5:13] <shiftplusone> Torikun, how did you install it?
[5:13] <Torikun> i donwloaded the arch image
[5:13] <Torikun> then it booted and started the install
[5:13] <shiftplusone> there's no 'install'
[5:13] <Torikun> then I had to resize the partitions
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[5:13] <shiftplusone> you dd and it's ready.
[5:13] <Torikun> with partedmagic
[5:14] <shiftplusone> Well, whatever... sounds like I'll be browsing your files soon enough =)
[5:14] <Torikun> just changed it just in case
[5:14] <shiftplusone> (Actually I am not sure, Arch may generate the keys on first boot.)
[5:14] <Torikun> ssh-keygen
[5:15] <Torikun> shiftplusone: try now lol
[5:16] <shiftplusone> I am using windows right now and don't have the keys that come with arch (if any)
[5:16] <Torikun> lol
[5:16] <Torikun> I am using fail2ban also
[5:17] <Torikun> block those havkers in China
[5:17] <Torikun> lol
[5:17] <shiftplusone> I like denyhosts and a port change
[5:17] <shiftplusone> stopped the bots completly
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[5:18] <Torikun> and requiring a key is good also
[5:18] <Torikun> extra protection
[5:18] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I never got around to setting that up, but my password is a 16 char random string anyway, so not expecting any brute forcing to work.
[5:18] <shiftplusone> (not with denyhosts anyway)
[5:19] <Torikun> oh
[5:19] <shiftplusone> Aside from that I am sure there are 100 other vulnurabilities in wordpress anyway.
[5:19] <Torikun> probably
[5:19] <shiftplusone> so ssh is the last thing I am worried about
[5:19] <Torikun> hopefully drupal is more secure
[5:20] <Torikun> anyone use ftp?
[5:20] * shiftplusone hopes not
[5:20] <Torikun> I do not see a use for it anymore
[5:20] <Torikun> just for anonyamous downloads
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[5:20] <shiftplusone> Now then... back to figuring openbsd out
[5:21] * TAFB is now known as TAFB_poo
[5:21] <Torikun> ewwww TAFB_poo
[5:23] <ParkerR_> Why does one need a nick signifying they are going to the bathroom?
[5:23] <ParkerR_> :P
[5:23] * Torikun wonders if his poo is registered
[5:24] <shiftplusone> TAFB brings class to the channel =/
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[5:25] <TAFB_poo> ahh that feels better. What'd I miss?
[5:25] * TAFB_poo is now known as TAFB
[5:25] <cyclick> TAFB, SSD NAS would be closer to using full potential of ethernet
[5:26] <TAFB> cyclick: you think so? I have a ethernet to SATA nas station with no drive, but can I run my OS over ethernet?
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[5:29] <cyclick> sorry I meant gigabit ethernet?
[5:29] <TAFB> i got gig, all over, including nas station.
[5:29] <Torikun> TAFB: I do not understand why I need gmail to send my mail and why my host can not do it
[5:30] <TAFB> Torikun: because your ISP blocks you from transmitting on port 25 to any servers except their own.
[5:30] <cyclick> TAFB, and the hard drive can use it fully?
[5:30] <Torikun> how to know for sure
[5:30] <TAFB> Torikun: And we can not relay through your ISP's mail servers because they don't support you@yourcomand.com, only you@yourisp.com
[5:30] <shiftplusone> TAFB, there are ways around that.
[5:31] <TAFB> shiftplusone: we already have it working with gmail's smtp servers.
[5:31] <TAFB> Torikun: Why do you care it goes through gmail? nobody will ever know :)
[5:31] <shiftplusone> Meh, that's the way to go anyway. Gmail works great.
[5:31] <Torikun> lol because it is like my PI is an email client and not a server
[5:31] <TAFB> Torikun: Sign up for unrestricted business class internet, and we can make your Pi a "real" server ;)
[5:31] <cyclick> dont let google read them if you dont have to
[5:32] <Torikun> oh
[5:32] <Torikun> lol
[5:32] <TAFB> Torikun: put it this way, your Pi IS a real server, it's accepting mail from your thunderbird over SMTP, as well as from outside internet SMTP servers, and relays it through google to it's destination! You can't get more server ish than that, other then it goes through one extra hop ;)
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[5:33] <Torikun> lol
[5:33] <Torikun> ok
[5:34] * Torikun loves Alpine
[5:34] <TAFB> my ISP has blocked outgoing port 25 for 15 years, and I've always run my own mail server, that's how I know. don't let it worry you, it's a great setup :)
[5:34] <TAFB> send me a new e-mail from your now working thunderbird!
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[5:34] <Torikun> TAFB: will test alpine
[5:35] <TAFB> okies
[5:35] <Torikun> dam relay access denied
[5:35] <TAFB> rofl
[5:35] <Torikun> this is sending from the actial host!
[5:35] <Torikun> maybe I should do localhost for server
[5:35] <TAFB> you can try that, might see it as local
[5:36] <TAFB> still might deny relaying to outside e-mail domain (like mine) with out Auth tho.
[5:36] <Torikun> ok check emauil
[5:36] <TAFB> got it :) it still says "on behalf of", did you do that fix on that page?
[5:36] <Torikun> did not apply it yet looking for it now
[5:37] <TAFB> ahhh
[5:37] <Torikun> ah found your email
[5:37] <Torikun> it got cut off in your email
[5:37] <Torikun> nm works
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[5:37] <TAFB> basically you re-setup your rusher@rusher.com in gmail, and where it asks "use your own SMTP servers or GMAIL servers" you pick "your own smtp servers", but then put in GMAIL's servers! lol. super crazy trick.
[5:38] <Torikun> oh
[5:38] <Torikun> you said not to use that lol
[5:38] <TAFB> i know
[5:38] <TAFB> cause you normally need to put in YOUR smtp server, which won't work ;)
[5:38] <Torikun> not 587?
[5:39] <Torikun> We are having trouble authenticating with your other mail service. Please try a different port or connection option. If you continue to experience difficulties, please contact your other email provider for further instructions.
[5:39] <TAFB> gimme the link to the article again.
[5:39] <Torikun> http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/4469/how-to-use-gmails-send-mail-as-with-another-gmail-account-through-smtp-withou
[5:39] <TAFB> k. 1 sec.
[5:39] <UnaClocker> Grrr... QMMP won't play an MP3, just a bunch of horrible clicks, and screeches.
[5:39] <TAFB> says in the article port 465?
[5:40] <Torikun> trying that now
[5:40] <Torikun> Your other email provider is responding too slowly. Please try again later, or contact the administrator of your other domain for further information.
[5:40] <TAFB> k. gimme a sec I'll try it.
[5:42] <TAFB> you're putting your gmail email address for username and your gmail password for password right?
[5:42] <Torikun> it asks for my home server cred
[5:43] <TAFB> you're on the screen that says SMTP server and you've got smtp.gmail.com in there right?
[5:44] <Torikun> http://pastebin.com/8S0rKjT4
[5:44] <TAFB> lol
[5:44] <TAFB> there's no settings in there.
[5:44] <TAFB> smtp server: smtp.gmail.com
[5:44] <TAFB> the port is the one we said above
[5:44] <Torikun> it shows my home servers
[5:44] <TAFB> ssl
[5:44] <TAFB> username is you@gmail.com
[5:44] <TAFB> password is your gmail password.
[5:44] <Torikun> smtp.rusher81572.com
[5:45] <Torikun> username rusher
[5:45] <TAFB> change it to smtp.gmail.com
[5:45] <TAFB> do you even read the links I send you?
[5:45] <Torikun> =)
[5:45] <TAFB> lol
[5:45] <Torikun> TLS or ssl
[5:45] <TAFB> ssl
[5:46] <Torikun> tls only works
[5:46] <TAFB> that's fine
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[5:46] <Torikun> k send you email
[5:46] <TAFB> worked flawless, from rusher@rusher.com!
[5:46] <TAFB> nice work man
[5:46] <TAFB> your setup is complete
[5:46] <Torikun> it worked?
[5:46] <Torikun> ty
[5:46] <Torikun> dunno what to do about the relay problem lol
[5:47] <TAFB> I replied, check out "from"
[5:47] <TAFB> looks flawless.
[5:47] <Torikun> .xxx
[5:47] <TAFB> haha. u like?
[5:47] <Torikun> ah says I am correct
[5:47] <Torikun> ty
[5:48] <TAFB> i can set you up with one, they will call you and ask you what type of porno company you run.
[5:48] <TAFB> i can tell you what to say
[5:48] <Torikun> http://rusher81572.com/?q=user/register&destination=node/1%23comment-form
[5:48] <TAFB> is that the webmail?
[5:48] <Torikun> drupal register
[5:48] <Coburn> > drupal
[5:48] <TAFB> wtf is that?
[5:49] <Torikun> seeing if email works when people register
[5:49] <TAFB> i registered.
[5:49] <Torikun> did you get email?
[5:49] <TAFB> yep
[5:49] <TAFB> flawless
[5:49] <Torikun> awesome!
[5:49] <TAFB> a lot of stuff doesn't work with my .xxx so I am impressed
[5:50] <Torikun> like what
[5:50] <TAFB> when ever I sign up for stuff on the internet, and use e-mail@lala.xxx it always says "lala.xxx is invalid" ;)
[5:50] <Torikun> oh
[5:50] <Torikun> I had that problem back in the dad
[5:51] <Torikun> *day
[5:51] <Torikun> only accepted real email addys
[5:51] <TAFB> so it's nice yours worked and sent the e-mail properly :)
[5:51] <TAFB> my e-mail address IS real :) lol.
[5:51] <TAFB> did you see the one I signed up with?
[5:51] <Torikun> no
[5:51] <Torikun> let me login lol
[5:51] <TAFB> lol
[5:52] <Torikun> so slow!
[5:52] <TAFB> lol
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[5:52] <TAFB> your pi needs turbo charge!
[5:52] <TAFB> is it overclocked?
[5:52] <TAFB> what crap SD card you runnin?
[5:52] <Torikun> yeah
[5:52] <Torikun> 960 mhz
[5:52] <TAFB> nice
[5:53] <Torikun> lol weird email address
[5:53] <Torikun> how that work
[5:53] <TAFB> it's a secret
[5:53] <Torikun> and it goes where
[5:53] <Torikun> lol
[5:53] <TAFB> to me
[5:53] <TAFB> obviously
[5:53] <Torikun> lol
[5:53] <TAFB> i replied didn't I?
[5:54] <Torikun> .xxx
[5:54] <TAFB> the benefits of using your own e-mail server
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[5:54] <TAFB> "catch-all" e-mail address.
[5:54] <TAFB> if you enable it, when you sign up for crap om the web you can use their.domain.name@rusher.com
[5:54] <Torikun> h
[5:55] <Torikun> I see my sent emails show up in gmail also
[5:55] <Torikun> good backup
[5:55] <Torikun> of sent items
[5:55] <TAFB> then if you start getting spam on their.domain.name@rusher.com you can just ban that address, then sign into their.company and change your e-mail to their.domain.name2@rusher.com and boom, fixed
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[5:55] <TAFB> Torikun: Ahhh, I never knew that, nice feature :)
[5:55] <Torikun> I never had this problems back in 2007
[5:55] <TAFB> Torikun: I'm going to run a load test on your Pi, it might kill your internet for a few seconds. please hold.
[5:55] <Torikun> everything just worked
[5:55] <Torikun> lol my dns!
[5:55] <Torikun> ok
[5:56] <Torikun> i got top running
[5:56] <TAFB> nice
[5:56] <Torikun> tell me when you start
[5:56] <TAFB> everything looks good
[5:56] <TAFB> already done
[5:56] <Torikun> oh
[5:56] <TAFB> was SMTP flood open relay test.
[5:57] <Torikun> Dec 21 20:56:32 rusher postfix/smtpd[2336]: warning: support for restriction "check_relay_domains" will be removed from Postfix; use "reject_unauth_destination" instead
[5:57] <TAFB> hehe
[5:57] <Torikun> Dec 21 20:56:32 rusher postfix/smtpd[2336]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mxtb-pws3.mxtoolbox.com[64.20.227.133]: 554 5.7.1 <test@example.com>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; from=<supertool@mxtoolbox.com> to=<test@example.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<please-read-policy.mxtoolbox.com>
[5:57] <TAFB> I tried to haxors. your server stopped me
[5:57] <TAFB> nice job
[5:57] <Torikun> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated,permit_mynetworks,check_relay_domains
[5:58] <TAFB> don't change anything, it's configged perfect
[5:58] <Torikun> just no relay lol
[5:58] <TAFB> well, when you get relay working, make sure to test and make sure it isn't open: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=smtp%3arusher81572.dyndns.org
[5:58] <Torikun> ok
[6:00] <Torikun> hmmm no logwatch cron jobn on arch?
[6:00] <Torikun> odd
[6:00] <Torikun> /etc/cron.daily/0logwatch
[6:00] <Torikun> oh
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[6:14] <Torikun> thanks to the PI, i learned a lot about DNS
[6:14] <TAFB> nice
[6:14] <Torikun> and what www really is
[6:14] <TAFB> they are all about learning :)
[6:14] <Torikun> an mx record
[6:14] <TAFB> yep
[6:14] <TAFB> mx is importent
[6:14] <TAFB> now... if you can just get reverse dns working!
[6:14] <TAFB> but your ISP may not set it up for you
[6:14] <Torikun> what is that for
[6:14] <TAFB> I think it's an anti-spam technique
[6:14] <TAFB> if you send e-mail now, it may get flagged as spam by restrictive systems.
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[6:15] <Torikun> oh
[6:15] <TAFB> on that MX toolbox link I gave you, it tests your reverse dns
[6:15] <TAFB> i think your test failed.
[6:15] <Torikun> it should lol
[6:15] <Torikun> not setup
[6:15] <TAFB> I know nothing about DNS, but I think your ISP has to setup the reverse dns for you.
[6:15] <TAFB> which they don't usually do for residential accounts, only business.
[6:15] <Torikun> i just hate how the guids online were kinda misleading
[6:16] <Torikun> it made iet harder
[6:16] <Torikun> http://rushersdomain.blogspot.com/
[6:16] <Torikun> I gotta update it now
[6:16] <Torikun> so people can get the help they need
[6:16] <TAFB> nice!
[6:16] <TAFB> going to make one for the Pi?
[6:16] <Torikun> na
[6:16] <Torikun> more static and stable on blogspot
[6:17] <TAFB> i meant, make the walk through for setting up postfix on the Pi!?
[6:17] <Torikun> oh yeah
[6:17] <TAFB> sweet :)
[6:17] <TAFB> I would leave out the mention of the gmail hack we did, but you can mention you're sending it through them.
[6:17] <Torikun> lol
[6:17] <plugwash> indeed handling of reverse dns is generally up to your ISP (the exception being if you are big enough to have a /24 or larger at which point the reverse dns zone can be delegated to your own server)
[6:18] <Torikun> oh
[6:18] <TAFB> thanks plugwash :) I'm a dns noob
[6:18] <Torikun> I got a dns guide on my blog
[6:18] <Aranel> TAFB: Torikun: which webserver are you using to host piwww?
[6:18] <Torikun> rusher81572.com
[6:18] <Aranel> Apache, nginx or lighttpd?
[6:18] <Torikun> httpd
[6:18] <Torikun> apache
[6:18] <TAFB> I'm running Pancake, faster than all of them! http://tafb.yi.org/
[6:19] <TAFB> pancake: https://github.com/pp3345/Pancake
[6:19] <TAFB> cause google seems to think they don't exist
[6:19] <Aranel> never heard of it, and yup Google also doesn't know anything about it :)
[6:19] <TAFB> apache is by far the slowest. Look at the benchmarks on the Pi, pancake is just a bit faster than nginx, but MURDERS the rest on the pi.
[6:20] <Aranel> then I'll give two of them a try. I think Apache would be overkill
[6:20] <TAFB> fo sho :)
[6:20] <TAFB> do you know what Ruby is?
[6:20] <Aranel> yup, can't use it anyway
[6:20] <TAFB> ahhh
[6:21] <Aranel> I know it's name :)
[6:21] <TAFB> i know peeps, if they aren't using PHP, they are running Thin for the server, with Ruby, and the performance is great on the pi.
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[6:24] <Aranel> pi just made me remember how lucky we are with Intel iSomething processors and loads of RAM
[6:24] <TAFB> for sure
[6:24] <Aranel> I'd call this "educational" :)
[6:24] <TAFB> when you've got limited resources, you gotta be tight with what you run :)
[6:25] <bjp> what about python?
[6:25] <TAFB> did you check out my status page, with the cpu and memory hogs? love watching those stats
[6:25] <Coburn> > Pancake
[6:25] <Coburn> > PHP Web Server
[6:25] <Coburn> vs Nginx
[6:25] * Coburn frowns
[6:26] <Coburn> Don't you dare insult my Nginx
[6:26] <TAFB> lol
[6:26] <TAFB> benchmarks don't lie. but nginx is a super close 2nd :)
[6:28] <TAFB> i'm scoring some sweet uptime with my Pi. Even installed Citadel mail server with webmail, and when it asked to reboot I said no and started all the processes manually. works great :) woot
[6:29] <Torikun> lol
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[6:34] <Torikun> http://rushersdomain.blogspot.com/2012/12/email-server-setup-with-gmail-relay.html
[6:35] <TAFB> I had to use Gmail as an relayhost to actually send the email from the server.
[6:35] <TAFB> i would change that to explain why:
[6:35] <Torikun> ok
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[6:36] <TAFB> I had to use Gmail as an relayhost to actually send the email from the server (because my ISP blocks me from sending mail on port 25 and doesn't allow me to relay mail through their servers because I'm using me@mydomain.com instead of me@isp.com)
[6:36] <Torikun> ty
[6:36] <Torikun> will use that
[6:36] <TAFB> lol
[6:36] <TAFB> CentOS? Who uses that.
[6:37] <Torikun> lol
[6:37] <Torikun> everyone
[6:37] <Torikun> it's redhat
[6:37] <TAFB> lol
[6:37] <Torikun> ok updated
[6:37] <Torikun> ty
[6:37] <plugwash> centos is used by people who want to use RHEL and don't want to pay for it
[6:38] <plugwash> the main advantage of RHEL family distros seems to be the long term security support
[6:38] <TAFB> Torikun: Looks really good :)
[6:38] <Torikun> ty
[6:38] <Torikun> ty for all the help
[6:38] <plugwash> (far longer than anything in the debian based world :( )
[6:38] <Torikun> I have to support RHEL and Solaris at work every day
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[6:38] <TAFB> no probs, I can't believe you got it all working :) you going to fix it so relay works too?
[6:38] <Torikun> another day lol
[6:38] <TAFB> good plan
[6:38] <Torikun> today was email and dns
[6:39] <Torikun> lol
[6:39] <Torikun> I hate the guides on the internet!
[6:39] <Torikun> most are so crappy
[6:39] <Torikun> and leave out shit
[6:39] <Torikun> oops sorry for language
[6:39] <TAFB> lol
[6:39] <TAFB> I get that upset at them too!
[6:39] <Torikun> leave out important information
[6:39] <Essobi> ...
[6:39] <Torikun> Take a working config and publish it!
[6:39] <Essobi> We should make a #rpi-adult channel.
[6:39] <Torikun> DO windows users have this problem?
[6:39] <TAFB> like gimme the commands, steps, don't assume "make sure you chmod your files for execute" DON'T TELL ME THAT, GIMME THE DAMN COMMAND!
[6:40] <Torikun> lol
[6:40] <Torikun> Yes!
[6:40] <TAFB> lol
[6:40] <Torikun> what is it like being a windows admin
[6:40] <TAFB> Torikun: I dunno, windows is click this, type this in, reboot, type this in, reboot, reboot again to make sure, then should work.
[6:40] <Torikun> lol
[6:40] <Torikun> reinstall OS
[6:41] <TAFB> lol
[6:41] <Torikun> ok added article to google+
[6:42] <Torikun> Night!
[6:42] <Torikun> take care and thanks for the help
[6:42] <Torikun> you turned my PI into production equipment
[6:42] <TAFB> nite nite, sleep good, work it hard.
[6:47] <Aranel> TAFB: Torikun: thanks for all the help, it's time to go to bed for me too :)
[6:47] <TAFB> lol
[6:47] <TAFB> nite nite sleep good
[6:47] <TAFB> it's almost 1am here
[6:48] <TAFB> i should sleep soon too
[6:48] <Aranel> or I'll be the first man who got killed by a Pi. it's 8am here and I'm possessed by its evil tricks.
[6:48] <TAFB> lol
[6:49] <Aranel> TAFB: anyway I asked it to install php5 and some stuff, considering its speed (comparable to a turtle) it'll be finished just in time when I awake :)
[6:49] <Aranel> gn people
[6:49] <TAFB> lol
[6:50] <TAFB> My internet, not turtle: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2376827100.png
[6:51] <Aranel> lol it's faster than Pi itself
[6:51] <Aranel> which country is it?
[6:51] <TAFB> Canada
[6:51] <Aranel> would they let me in?
[6:51] <Aranel> :)
[6:51] <TAFB> yeah, the new modem from the ISP is Gigabit, they said they would offer 300mbit soon!
[6:51] <TAFB> Hey, if they let me stay here, they'll let anyone in!
[6:52] <Aranel> lol
[6:52] <mbalho> wat up pi peeples, i just got this wifi open network joiner script working https://gist.github.com/4356968
[6:52] <TAFB> nice! It auto-joins?
[6:52] <mbalho> yep
[6:52] <mbalho> works on raspbian with my little usb wifi thing
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[6:52] <TAFB> goes it test to make sure it can like ping google.com before it joins, or can switch if that one has no internet?
[6:53] <mbalho> yes it does that, check out the code
[6:53] <TAFB> there's so many open hotspots around here, but none of them have internet or are using mac address filtering.
[6:53] <TAFB> nice.
[6:53] <TAFB> i've looked at too much code today, and it's 1am :)
[6:53] * plugwash is reminded of http://xkcd.com/416/
[6:54] <mbalho> haha
[6:55] <Tachyon`> if you're tired it's more of a http://xkcd.com/349/ situation likely
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[10:43] <rymate1234> Two things I cannot wait for
[10:43] <rymate1234> 1. Acellerated Xor
[10:43] <rymate1234> +g
[10:43] <rymate1234> 2. Minecraft Pi edition
[10:44] <rymate1234> Oh, almost forgot
[10:44] <rymate1234> 3. Having enough money to get the 512MB ram version
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[11:16] <shiftplusone> rymate1234, do you think minecraft pocket edition is anything to make a fuss over?
[11:16] <rymate1234> well
[11:16] <Zencrypter> Hi everybody !
[11:16] <shiftplusone> Didn't seem anything like the real thing on a phone
[11:16] <rymate1234> I'm looking forward to it because I can code for it :P
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[11:16] <shiftplusone> ah
[11:16] <rymate1234> I wouldn't be interested if it was just a cut down version of pocket edition
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[11:17] <shiftplusone> Pretty sure that's all it is. =/
[11:17] * Milos_ is now known as Milos
[11:17] <rymate1234> But it apparently has a basic api which lets you manipulate blocks
[11:17] <shiftplusone> But yeah +1 on the X thing. That's the last remaining thing for me.
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[11:17] <rymate1234> yup
[11:17] <shiftplusone> Apart from maybe a board redesign.
[11:18] <rymate1234> i'm just wondering whether Minecraft: Pi edition will be open source
[11:18] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[11:18] <rymate1234> if it is, maybe I'll implement actual gameplay, such as mobs
[11:18] <rymate1234> lmao
[11:19] <shiftplusone> Don't think it would be, but being java you could probably decompile and descramble it.
[11:19] <rymate1234> its c++ apparently
[11:19] <shiftplusone> oh, that' right
[11:19] <shiftplusone> brain went elsehwere
[11:20] <rymate1234> https://twitter.com/danfrisk/status/272389328490082305
[11:20] <shiftplusone> Now then... back to farcry >.>
[11:20] <rymate1234> lol
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[11:34] <rymate1234> woo
[11:34] <rymate1234> An unofficial xorg driver is almost here!
[11:34] <rymate1234> http://elinux.org/RPi_Xorg_rpi_Driver#Installation_of_the_driver
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[11:36] <monkers> erro?
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[11:42] <atmosx> rymate1234: driver about what?
[11:42] <Zencrypter> atmosx, Xorg driver
[11:42] <atmosx> ah k
[11:42] <Zencrypter> atmosx, That is to say the graphical one
[11:42] <atmosx> nice
[11:43] <Zencrypter> atmosx, You are using Windows ? :)
[11:43] <atmosx> Zencrypter: do I look like I'm using windows?
[11:43] <rymate1234> >atmosx< CTCP VERSION
[11:43] <rymate1234> -atmosx- VERSION Textual 2.1.1 (Git Reference: 2.1.1-348-g918b710-appstore,modern) (Flavor: Turtle Soup)
[11:43] <atmosx> okay, I'm handsom, but even that is a LEAD about what I'm using :-P
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[11:44] <monkers> good place for some starter tutorials on using LED's and simple circuits with the raspberry pi?
[11:44] <rymate1234> "extual is a lightweight IRC client created specifically for Mac OS X. It was designed with simplicity in mind. Textual has taken the best of IRC and built it into a single client. Its easy-to-use functionality combined with scripting support makes it an ideal IRC client for novice to advanced users."
[11:44] <rymate1234> "Mac OS X"
[11:45] <rymate1234> Could be worse *stares at his windows 8 partition, shudders*
[11:45] <monkers> is win8 as bad as it looks?
[11:45] <rymate1234> Uhhh
[11:45] <rymate1234> well my partition is basically unusable due to an issue which I can't figure out
[11:46] <artag> monkers: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/
[11:46] <rymate1234> atmosx, that irc client looks guuuuud
[11:47] <atmosx> rymate1234: yeap, it's nice
[11:47] <viric> I think windows8 is quite good (for their public
[11:47] <viric> )
[11:47] <monkers> perfect ty
[11:47] <viric> not that I'm part of the public
[11:47] <atmosx> viric: what's wrong with being part of the public?
[11:47] * atmosx is The public
[11:48] <rymate1234> It's a really good touch based operating system
[11:48] <rymate1234> but the metro apps are horrible with a mouse
[11:48] <rymate1234> that's just my opinion though
[11:48] <viric> no no, nothing wrong.
[11:48] * rymate1234 goes
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi people... Only 3 more sleeps until the big Ho Ho Ho! :)
[11:49] <artag> bah, humbug
[11:49] <viric> I think that microsoft fulfilled quite well a join of their market, tablet targets, desktop pc targets, ... all in one.
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm Humbugs!
[11:49] <viric> videogames, xbox, ...
[11:49] <viric> Well, I just like to attach a debugger to every piece, know how 'init' of the system works, tweak it, ...
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> monkers, what are you after? Just some starter articles for interfacing?
[11:49] <viric> So it's not much the kind of OS I'd use.
[11:50] <Zencrypter> viric > Ubuntu :)
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> monkers, a-ha - looks like artag has already pointed you at my site! And one day I might make it more 'tutorial friendly' too :)
[11:50] <viric> and my brain is quite used to the unix style of system. Windows hasn't fork()! That's too much for me.
[11:51] <monkers> gordonDrogon - yah im coming from the arduino world and i want to refresh my robots hardware and use the rasbperry pi this time around.. so i figured i'd start where i started with the arduino, making LED's flash and simple 'gpio' i guess
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> monkers, I wrote an arduin-like 'wiring' library for the Pi - makes it easier to move from arduino to Pi (I think)
[11:52] <monkers> wiringpi?
[11:53] <monkers> oh hey im reading your website :D
[11:53] <bertrik> How well does 1-wire work on the pi? I wonder because 1-wire depends on delays of specific length
[11:54] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> bertrik: the pi has an internal clock
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> the delays are long,
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> there is a kernel driver for 1-wire. Not used it myself yet, but I'm told it works very wll.
[11:55] <monkers> can someone explain why there's an arduino on the gertboard?
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> I think it would be achievable in user-land (6uS IIRC) but Linux has the whole one-wire filing system as part of the kernel, so it's silly to not use that.
[11:55] <bertrik> ok
[11:56] * Kripton is now known as kripton
[11:56] <bertrik> thanks
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> monkers, it's not quite an arduino, but an ATmega running at 12MHz. I suspect because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Mk1 Gertboard has a PIC ..
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> had a PIC - no public releases of the Mk1 (thankfully :)
[11:56] <monkers> and does that ATmega have a primary function?
[11:56] <monkers> or is it just general purpose use
[11:57] <monkers> im just used to working with an arduino, sorry for nub questions.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> it's just there for additional functionality.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't do anything on its own.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> so it's a sort of experimenters platform.
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[12:07] <viric> frikinz: umh at the end, in your buildroot, you use other targets
[12:07] <viric> 'armv6zk' instead of 'armv6'
[12:07] <viric> 'aapcs-linux'. Isn't it pre-gnueabi?
[12:07] <viric> and the tune? arm1176jzf-s
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> right. lots of home stuff to do today - mostly in the kitchen! Lets start with the mince pies..
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> back later
[12:17] <monkers> thanks
[12:20] <viric> what has 'arm1176jzf-s' to do with a raspberrypi ?
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[12:26] <plugwash> monkers, AIUI the point of having the ATmega is twofold, one it gives you more IO, two it gives you the ability to do more timing critical tasks that are not suited to the CPU in the Pi
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[12:29] <monkers> ah
[12:29] <monkers> cool ty
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[12:35] <Climuff> hi
[12:35] <Climuff> anyone here who can help me with the java jdk8?
[12:35] <Climuff> iwhen I want to launch a jar the error "could not find or load main class" appears
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[12:37] <bertrik> do you have a main class?
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[12:39] <biberao> hi
[12:39] <biberao> my pi hates me
[12:39] <biberao> :|
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[12:59] <Toothpick> does anyone know why can't i install xbmc in gentoo for my RPi? http://bpaste.net/show/65918/
[12:59] <Climuff> @bertrik yes, I try to start the test jars from oracle^^
[13:01] <biberao> Toothpick: i cant even run my pi properly
[13:01] <Toothpick> biberao: why is that?
[13:02] <biberao> something wrong with sd cards
[13:02] <biberao> some cant be detected
[13:02] <biberao> or something
[13:02] <biberao> .|
[13:02] <rymate1234> hey guys
[13:02] <rymate1234> when I try to ssh into my pi
[13:03] <rymate1234> I get the error
[13:03] <rymate1234> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.82 port 22: No route to host
[13:03] <biberao> its the network
[13:03] <rymate1234> hao do I fix
[13:04] <biberao> rymate1234: is the cable connected?
[13:04] <rymate1234> Its wifi
[13:04] <rymate1234> and networking is working
[13:05] <rymate1234> I can ping google
[13:05] <rymate1234> my laptop andmy pi are on the same network
[13:07] <biberao> sorry cant help now
[13:07] <biberao> my pi doesnt even work
[13:07] <rymate1234> great
[13:07] <rymate1234> biberao, what's up with it?
[13:07] <biberao> sdcard issues
[13:07] <biberao> it doesnt boot
[13:07] <rymate1234> which sd card is it?
[13:08] <biberao> one is verbatim
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[13:08] <biberao> other dane-elect
[13:08] <rymate1234> huh
[13:08] <biberao> and the others dont know
[13:08] <rymate1234> what's the error, if any?
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[13:08] <Climuff> have nobody here installed the jdk8 on his raspberry pi??
[13:09] * jelly1 doesnt
[13:09] <rymate1234> Climuff, why do you need the jdk8?
[13:09] <jelly1> java
[13:10] <rymate1234> jdk8 is still in developement
[13:10] <rymate1234> try a different jdk
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[13:10] <rymate1234> maybe jdk6 or jdk7
[13:10] <jelly1> i dont think those are there for arm ;)
[13:10] <rymate1234> yes they are
[13:10] <biberao> hey
[13:10] <biberao> how do i get
[13:10] <Climuff> jdk8 ist the only jdk from oracle which work with the hardfloat raspbian
[13:10] <biberao> my full sdcard space
[13:10] <rymate1234> openjdk
[13:11] <jelly1> Climuff: just install it then
[13:11] <biberao> on burning the img to sdcard it gets a shrinked parititon
[13:11] <jelly1> imo try and see
[13:11] <Climuff> I tried openjdk but that also dont work
[13:11] <jelly1> tried openjdk8?
[13:11] <Climuff> no
[13:11] <Climuff> openjdk7
[13:11] <rymate1234> openjdk6 worked for me
[13:12] <Climuff> all java programs I wrote i made in java 7
[13:12] <rymate1234> ah
[13:12] <Climuff> so java 6 ist not a option for me
[13:12] <jelly1> aha
[13:12] <rymate1234> recompile in java 6
[13:12] <jelly1> fun
[13:12] <rymate1234> done
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[13:12] <Climuff> I dont want to recompile all programs only for my raspberry pi
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[13:14] <Climuff> the openjdk8 is released in may 2013
[13:14] <jelly1> then try to get openjdk8 working
[13:14] <biberao> my pi says 2011.12
[13:14] <biberao> was the 512mb released lsat year?
[13:15] <rymate1234> no
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[13:15] <rymate1234> wow
[13:16] <rymate1234> iceweasel is best browser on Pi
[13:16] <linuxstb> biberao: Regarding getting the full SD card space, are you talking about Raspbian?
[13:16] <jelly1> rymate1234: that's just firefox
[13:16] <rymate1234> yes
[13:16] <rymate1234> I know
[13:16] <rymate1234> lmao
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[13:16] <biberao> linuxstb: yup
[13:16] <jelly1> rymate1234: ;)
[13:16] <Climuff> so nobody of you use jdk7 oder jdk8 on his raspberry pi?
[13:16] <linuxstb> biberao: Run "sudo raspi-config" and select the menu option to resize the root partition (I forget the exact name)
[13:17] <biberao> whats minimum size
[13:17] <biberao> of a sdcard required?
[13:17] <jelly1> Climuff: no, but did you try?
[13:17] <jelly1> biberao: 4GB is plenty
[13:17] <Climuff> i tried openjdk7 and oracle jdk8
[13:17] <biberao> my 4gb cards
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[13:17] <biberao> arent reccgnized
[13:17] <biberao> :|
[13:17] <linuxstb> biberao: Probably 1GB would work fine. It depends how many extra packages or other files (video/music) you want to put on it.
[13:18] <rymate1234> I use a 4GB card
[13:18] <rymate1234> It isn't enough for me :(
[13:19] <Climuff> i use 16GB class 10
[13:19] <jelly1> 4gb works for me with XBMC
[13:19] <Climuff> bt java dont work^^
[13:19] <jelly1> 16GB to play with for devving :)
[13:19] <jelly1> bt java?
[13:19] <Climuff> vut java
[13:19] <jelly1> Climuff: did you install openjdk7?
[13:19] <Climuff> but java
[13:20] <jelly1> Climuff: did you install openjdk7?
[13:20] <Climuff> I installed openjdk7, treid it, it did not work, I uninstalled openjdk7, installed oracle jdk8, tried, dont work
[13:20] <biberao> i can use a usb harddisk
[13:20] <biberao> its fine with that
[13:20] <rymate1234> <Climuff> iwhen I want to launch a jar the error "could not find or load main class" appears
[13:20] <biberao> but i cant even boot the os properly
[13:20] <jelly1> Climuff: sorry i can't help you
[13:20] <jelly1> Climuff: error messages
[13:21] <Climuff> i did all exactrly how it is written on the jdk8 documentation
[13:22] <jelly1> googled the error?
[13:22] <Climuff> openjsk7 says "Error: Invalid or corrupt jarfile"
[13:22] <jelly1> restarted the Pi?
[13:22] <Climuff> yes, I googled, nobody else has the problem
[13:22] <Climuff> i restartet it several times
[13:22] <jelly1> compile it on the pi
[13:22] <Zencrypter> biberao, As far as I'm concerned, I have a Samsung 4 GB SD card
[13:22] <biberao> i cant write the os
[13:22] <viric> wow
[13:22] <biberao> to the sdcard anymore
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[13:22] <viric> my pi boots, if I connect a powered usb-hub
[13:23] <biberao> the sdcard says its empty now
[13:23] <Zencrypter> biberao, Are you sure you installed it well ?
[13:23] <Zencrypter> biberao, What is happening ?
[13:23] <biberao> Zencrypter: i did
[13:23] <rymate1234> viric, works fine too
[13:23] <viric> Ah, great.
[13:23] <biberao> the sdcards seem to have problems
[13:23] <rymate1234> I'm currently using my pi from a usb hub
[13:23] <viric> I didn't know this!
[13:23] <rymate1234> (powered)
[13:23] <Zencrypter> rymate1234, Me too :)
[13:24] <rymate1234> just installing git on my Pi
[13:24] <rymate1234> and wondering why the fuck ssh doesn't work
[13:24] <rymate1234> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.82 port 22: No route to host
[13:24] <biberao> ive run
[13:24] <Zencrypter> rymate1234, I bought an Icy Box which allowed me to add a 1 To Hard Drive, and it has a bub too
[13:24] <biberao> win32imager
[13:24] <Zencrypter> hub*
[13:24] <biberao> it says
[13:24] <biberao> its alwys empty
[13:24] <Zencrypter> Works great :)
[13:24] <Zencrypter> biberao, Well...
[13:25] <Zencrypter> I'm sorry I've to go...
[13:25] <Zencrypter> I'll come back in 1 hour...
[13:25] <Zencrypter> bye !
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[13:26] <biberao> bye
[13:26] <TomWij> Toothpick: I'm pretty far in the build output, just need to upgrade glibc and then it should manage to finish it.
[13:26] <TomWij> You need to read the line above it, it says you need java, above people's comments could help you out.
[13:26] <TomWij> If you set up a local overlay, I can send you an ebuild that will help to get the Oracle JDK hardfp preview.
[13:26] <TomWij> There is no hardfp JDK in Portage itself afaik and I doubt there is one in the overlays...
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[13:31] <Climuff> okay, openjdk7 now works
[13:31] <biberao> the card took space and its empty no files
[13:31] <Climuff> but it seems that my program cannot connect to the internet
[13:31] <biberao> like in the other
[13:33] <Climuff> okay, it can, but extremely slow
[13:33] <rymate1234> yes
[13:33] <rymate1234> java on the rpi is very slow
[13:33] <Climuff> why?
[13:34] <Draylor> because its java
[13:34] <rymate1234> did you expect blazingly fast from a $35 PC?
[13:34] <rymate1234> java isn't a particularly fast language
[13:34] <rymate1234> Its even slower on an 800mhz armv6 processor
[13:35] <Climuff> i can play quake3 with 60 fps (i think, not frapsed), but a java program which should only connect to the internet needs 1 minute for opening one website?
[13:35] <rymate1234> because the gpu is 100x better than the processor
[13:35] <rymate1234> its a really good gpu
[13:36] <rymate1234> and quake 3 isn't java
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[13:36] <rymate1234> itc c/c++
[13:36] <rymate1234> *its
[13:37] <Climuff> c++ runs on linux?
[13:37] <rymate1234> ....yes
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[13:38] <rymate1234> what did you think, c++ was windows only?
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[13:38] <Climuff> why shopuld you then use java for make a program which runs on all platforms?
[13:38] <rymate1234> Visual c++ is windows only
[13:38] <rymate1234> c++ is universal
[13:38] <rymate1234> Climuff, because each platform has differences
[13:39] <rymate1234> that need to be resolved seperately
[13:39] <rymate1234> java resolves these problems for you
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[13:46] <Climuff> but only the web-things are slow, this which is done by the apache httpclient library
[13:46] <TomWij> Climuff: Where C++ runs depends on the programmer, where Java runs depends on the virtual machine.
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[13:47] <TomWij> And that virtual machine comes with an overhead.
[13:48] <TomWij> (Whereas writing C++ would come with some extra work to check and port to other platforms, or you write cross-platform code from the start)
[13:49] <TomWij> Climuff: So, what is it doing with that website, showing it? Did you isolate the request itself apart from processing and displaying? You could create a simple prototype application to see how well that one runs.
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[13:52] <viric> meh
[13:52] <viric> I plugged a wifi usb dongle
[13:53] <viric> And it sees all neighbour networks but mine
[13:53] <viric> (iwlist wlan0 scan)
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[13:53] <rymate1234> goddamit
[13:53] <rymate1234> Pi
[13:53] <rymate1234> why can't I access ssh with the internal network IP
[13:53] <rymate1234> but I can with the external network IP
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[13:57] <mrmoney2012> ooo??? just got samba working - maybe easy but for some reason i always had trouble before??? good smb.conf is all you need really by the looks
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[14:01] <rymate1234> I can't even ping my damn Pi]
[14:02] <mrmoney2012> now to try and make an external drive available as a samba share - i understand ext4 is the way to go
[14:03] <markit> mrmoney2012: ext4 is the file system, you have to install and configure samba server packages
[14:04] <mrmoney2012> yes - done that already - successfully tested read write across the network via samba to the main SD card. now to configure up an external drive and share that???.
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[14:07] <TomWij> rymate1234: With internal you mean the IP of the Raspberry Pi and the external you mean the WAN IP?
[14:08] <TomWij> Do you have any special rule set up for that in the router? NAT loopback as well as port forwarding doesn't happen by default.
[14:08] <TomWij> (Well, some ISPs do the former)
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[14:09] <rymate1234> TomWij: yes I meant that
[14:09] <TomWij> As for internal, you'll need to provide some more network details (IPs, network masks) and/or try to figure out what's happening with wireshark and so on.
[14:09] <rymate1234> I'll do that after lunch
[14:10] <Climuff> @TomWij my program only go to the website, read out the html body and then do things with this body
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[14:10] <Climuff> the reading out of the body takes a real long time, the doing things with it not
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[14:11] <rymate1234> All I know is that my router is some proprietary ISP produced router
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[14:22] <rymate1234> back#
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[14:24] <Climuff> is there any RAM usage limitation in the openjdk? in windows my program use about 180MB, in linux 48MB
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[14:26] <mrmoney2012> how can i tell if the usb hard drive i just plugged in is usb 2?
[14:27] <rymate1234> TomWij, ifconfig from laptop http://pastebin.com/gwWv9pGt and ifconfig from pi http://pastebin.com/xZ1dGTwT
[14:30] <rymate1234> both connect to the same router via wifi
[14:30] <TomWij> rymate1234: Oh, WLAN, some routers separate clients that connect to the router.
[14:31] <mrmoney2012> is this USB2???. usb 1-1.3.2: new high-speed USB device number 7 using dwc_otg
[14:31] <rymate1234> TomWij, which means...?
[14:31] <TomWij> rymate1234: They can't talk to each other for security reasons.
[14:31] <rymate1234> ah
[14:32] <rymate1234> is there a way to turn this off?
[14:32] <TomWij> Might be that the ISP turns that on by default
[14:32] <TomWij> well, you can only really turn it off if you can administrate the device.
[14:32] <rymate1234> this is possible
[14:32] <TomWij> Otherwise you'll have to come up with an alternative way to connect to the device.
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[14:33] <TomWij> Okay, look in there if you see something relevant to that.
[14:33] <TomWij> rymate1234: Also, try pinging your laptop from the RPi.
[14:34] <rymate1234> TomWij, fails
[14:35] <TomWij> Yeah, it's isolated / separated then, hopefully you can configure it.
[14:36] <rymate1234> ??_??
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[14:36] <rymate1234> I swear it worked a few days ago
[14:36] * biberao cries
[14:36] <TomWij> Oh, if it worked then it must be something else.
[14:37] <TomWij> Assuming the ISP didn't flash the router in between...
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[14:38] <mrmoney2012> i wish to totally boat a 1tb external hdd ??? i want to format is all as one big ext4 space???. first step is to destroy exiting partitions but sudo fdisk tells me --- WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. ??? is it ok to continue ?
[14:39] <rymate1234> I must now express my confusion
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[14:39] <rymate1234> according to my routers list of devices connected, nothing is connected
[14:40] <rymate1234> which is an outright fabrication
[14:40] <mrmoney2012> actually - parted is installed - whoop.
[14:40] <Zencrypter> Do you know any reliable system which would allow me to put my website on, and which wouldn't have a limited life time ?
[14:41] <rymate1234> herp derp my router is sucky
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[14:41] <Zencrypter> I mean my website is now on a USB key, and would like to avoid plugging a hard drive 24/24
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[14:42] <Zencrypter> So, I thought about a RAM Stick but there is no adapter for USB...
[14:42] <Zencrypter> Maybe a Floppy Disk would be a good idea ? :?
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[14:45] <rymate1234> TomWij, can't find anything.... guess I'll just use my external IP then
[14:45] <rymate1234> :(
[14:45] <Zencrypter> rymate1234, What is the problem ?
[14:45] <TomWij> Weird situation, definitely sounds like the router is at problem if it doesn't list the devices.
[14:45] <TomWij> (I suppose you have tried rebooting it)
[14:46] <rymate1234> Zencrypter, laptop and rpi refuse to talk using internal IPs
[14:46] <rymate1234> TomWij, nope, brb
[14:46] <Zencrypter> Ok
[14:46] <Zencrypter> Is't it a problem in iptable ?
[14:46] <Zencrypter> Which would deny connections...
[14:47] <TomWij> Hmm... Oversecure laptop?
[14:48] <Zencrypter> What is the aim BTW ?
[14:49] <rymate1234> back
[14:49] <rymate1234> Zencrypter, to ssh into my Pi
[14:49] <Zencrypter> Ok
[14:49] <rymate1234> SUCCESS!
[14:49] <Zencrypter> Fine :)
[14:50] <TomWij> rymate1234: So, what did you do? :D
[14:50] <rymate1234> rebooted router
[14:50] <rymate1234> ^_^
[14:50] <TomWij> xD
[14:50] <rymate1234> hint - 99% of all router issues can be resolves by a router reboot
[14:51] <Zencrypter> +1
[14:51] <Zencrypter> Why can't companies produce reliable routers ? (T.T)
[14:52] <rymate1234> at least routers are easily fixable
[14:52] <rymate1234> printers, on the other hand....
[14:53] <Zencrypter> :?
[14:53] <rymate1234> "hey, want to scan something? too bad, you need ink"
[14:53] <Zencrypter> Yes
[14:53] <rymate1234> "want to print a black and white document? too bad, I need magneta ink"
[14:53] <Zencrypter> That's why you should buy a scanner and a printer
[14:53] <Zencrypter> Not all-in-one solutions
[14:53] <Zencrypter> ;)
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[14:54] <Climuff> how can I run something as normal user when I am in the root account?
[14:55] <Zencrypter> I don't think it is possible
[14:55] <rymate1234> you don't
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[14:55] <rymate1234> afaik
[14:55] <Zencrypter> Or "su user" and then run the program
[14:55] <TomWij> or sudo -u user ...
[14:56] <rymate1234> Never knew that was possible
[14:56] <rymate1234> TIL
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[14:56] <mrmoney2012> any particular problem with using GPT (GUID Partition Table) for my external usb disk - what's the alternative(s) ?
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[14:57] * TomWij points at `man sudo`.
[14:58] <tinti> hi, do some one has a pi model A?
[14:58] <TomWij> any particular reason for using GPT for your external usb disk - if you don't know how it is different from its alternative(s) ?
[14:59] <Zencrypter> tinti, Nope
[14:59] <TomWij> Linux supports it well enough afaik, so I don't directly see a problem but more like the question "is it worth it?"
[14:59] <tinti> :( ...
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[14:59] <Zencrypter> tinti, To buy a model A, you have to bid on ebay :?
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[15:00] <Zencrypter> tinti, BTW, you should disconnect from VPN, ubotu doesn't like this :?
[15:00] <tinti> Zencrypter: thanks. The point is that I would like to invite people to try llvmlinux, but the SMSC95xx driver still broken. So, as far as I can tell, many things work, except USB and Ethernet :S
[15:00] <mrmoney2012> TomWij: exactly - no i just want the best choice??? it was previously in use on a mac and now i am repurposing for storage for a raspberry na
[15:01] <tinti> Am I on a VPN?
[15:01] <mrmoney2012> na = nas
[15:01] <Zencrypter> tinti, I don't know, "uBOTu-fr a expuls? tinti de #ubuntu-fr (2d - abused proxy/vpn detected - uBOTu-fr)"
[15:01] <mrmoney2012> i see these are my choices from parted??? http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/mklabel.html
[15:01] <Zencrypter> :?
[15:02] <Zencrypter> mrmoney2012, You would like to sync your files thanks to the Raspberry Pi ?
[15:02] <TomWij> Zencrypter: Probably more like an abused regexp detected.
[15:02] <tinti> Zencrypter: No, at my work they they found a open proxy and our range get blocked :S
[15:02] <Zencrypter> I'm currently using a 1 To Hard Drive connected to my Raspberry Pi with USB
[15:02] <Zencrypter> And to sync my files, I use Unison
[15:02] <tinti> I really think llvmlinux will work on model A
[15:02] <Zencrypter> tinti, Ok ;)
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[15:03] <mrmoney2012> whats the standard label-type - or a good choice? bsd, loop, got, mac, msdos, pc98, sun
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[15:07] <TomWij> mrmoney2012: Define "standard" and "good"?
[15:08] <TomWij> There is no "best", "standard" and "good" because there are all "best", "standard" and "good" in some way; what is the best for you depends on your use case.
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[15:08] <TomWij> You'll end up with 7 different persons saying each other label type is the best, leaving you still clueless...
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[15:09] <TomWij> So, look into what they do and in which cases they perform well and you can easily drop most of them of the list for your use case.
[15:11] <mrmoney2012> whats a good choice for a raspberry pi nas
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[15:11] <viric_> grmbl
[15:11] <viric_> my wifi dongle works only if I connect it directly to the pi. Through a hub, it doesn't find my network.
[15:11] <biberao> i need to use an adapter now
[15:11] <biberao> ffs
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[15:12] <TomWij> mrmoney2012: An educated choice would be a good choice, as long as you don't clarify what "good" means you won't end up finding the right choice.
[15:12] <biberao> sorry the bad word
[15:13] <TomWij> viric_: Powered hub?
[15:13] <mrmoney2012> i little bit pedantic wouldn't you say ?
[15:13] <Zencrypter> mrmoney2012, As I said, a hard drive + unison :?
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[15:15] <TomWij> mrmoney2012: Well, it's up to you whether you spent your time constructive or just guessing around; you might as well just pick one at random if you need to wait for others to pick one for you.
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[15:16] <viric_> TomWij: yes, powered.
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[15:16] <viric_> TomWij: and it sees other networks. but not mine.
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[15:16] <TomWij> viric_: I wonder if there's a proper way to measure USB power, because you could compare that way; otherwise it would be something that's up with the hub itself.
[15:17] <TomWij> Perhaps you could check whether you get a difference in output in `dmesg`.
[15:17] <Zencrypter> You could try buying an "Y wire"
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[15:18] <Zencrypter> Which allows you to double the power sent to a USB thing :?
[15:19] <xro> Zencrypter, the Y cable connected twice to the RPI works? i have a hdd that needs to much power...
[15:19] <shiftplusone> no, a y cable on a pi shouldn't do anything.
[15:19] <Zencrypter> xro, I mean for the case of the alimented Hub which seems not to work...
[15:19] <viric_> TomWij: the usb hub has a 2A power adapter
[15:20] <viric_> TomWij: dmesg only tells that it can't connect. Three attempts, and can't go. And about iwlist, my network doesn't appear. Others appear.
[15:20] <Zencrypter> xro, Is it a laptop hard drive ?
[15:20] <TomWij> xro: Works? Not a good idea to handle the equipment like that... Wouldn't you do the math first?
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[15:20] <viric_> So, the point is that to get it stable, I've to connect it to the pi usb port, BUT, I've to connect a powered hub *too*, to get more power.
[15:20] <viric_> the usb dongle alone doesn't work well enough
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[15:21] <Zencrypter> xro, I've bought this product which works very well : http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00131191.html
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[15:21] <xro> Zencrypter, TomWij, it's an external usb harddrive... But when i connect it to my RPI i get errors... so i think about "not enough power"
[15:21] <Zencrypter> You can add your hard drive and power the RPi thanks to the Hub
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[15:21] <Zencrypter> xro, I think so
[15:22] <xro> Zencrypter, me too...
[15:22] <TomWij> viric: Well, this is odd as you would expect the power hub to make the situation better, not worse. :(
[15:23] <TomWij> So I think the power hub is somehow getting insufficient power.
[15:23] <viric> TomWij: I think the problem is some data transfer, not power
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[15:23] <viric> 2mA should be a lot.
[15:23] <viric> 2A I mean
[15:24] <Zencrypter> viric, It depends of the number of ports
[15:24] <Zencrypter> If it is 2A divided by 7 ports...
[15:24] <viric> 2A, 4 ports
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[15:24] <wiiguy> should eb enough
[15:24] <wiiguy> mine is that aswell
[15:24] <adammw111> Hi, is there an easy way to download deb packages from archive.raspbian.org onto the SD card for manual offline installation?
[15:25] <viric> but on my tests, it only has the wifi dongle connected
[15:25] <viric> weird.
[15:25] <viric> I never tried this dongle through a hub.
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[15:29] <artag> adammw111: just download the .deb files and install them with dpkg -i file.deb
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[15:30] <adammw111> artag: how do I find the deb files on another machine? I've looked at archive.raspbian.org in a web browser and it seems only to have the tar.gz packages in the pool/ directory and lists in the dists/ directory.
[15:31] <artag> seems to have .deb if you dig low enough
[15:31] <artag> in pool
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[15:32] <artag> actuall, that seemsto be true for main but not contrib
[15:33] <rymate1234> rebooted my pi
[15:33] <rymate1234> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.82 port 22: No route to host
[15:33] <rymate1234> goddamit
[15:34] <Zencrypter> try again
[15:34] <Zencrypter> I have to do that twice before it work
[15:34] <Zencrypter> works*
[15:35] <rymate1234> goddamit
[15:35] <rymate1234> I can ssh in with external IP
[15:35] <rymate1234> fuck it, not rebooting my router again
[15:35] <Zencrypter> Did you try again as I said ?
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[15:37] <rymate1234> ]yes
[15:37] <adammw111> For reference, I'm trying to get wpasupplicant. http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/w/wpasupplicant/ only contains .tar.gz archives
[15:37] <rymate1234> multiple times
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[15:38] <Zencrypter> Ok
[15:38] <rymate1234> also can't ping my laptop from the pi
[15:38] <biberao> im about to die
[15:39] <biberao> my linux pc mmc reader doesnt read anymore
[15:39] <biberao> im desperate
[15:39] <biberao> :|
[15:39] <Zencrypter> adammw111, Uncompress the folder and install it if it is your problem...
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[15:40] <adammw111> Found it... http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/w/wpa/wpasupplicant_1.0-3_armhf.deb It must group the deb files for some reason. Zencrypter: the tar.gz files are the source archives not binaries, I don't have arm cross compiler at the moment.
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[15:41] <Zencrypter> adammw111, You're right...
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[15:48] <shiftplusone> msg rymate1234 please avoid swearing in #raspberrypi (see topic)
[15:48] <shiftplusone> heh
[15:48] <shiftplusone> whoops >.>
[15:48] <shiftplusone> damn that /
[15:49] <rymate1234> kthen
[15:49] <rymate1234> sorry
[15:49] <rymate1234> :(
[15:49] <shiftplusone> np
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[15:51] <rymate1234> also
[15:51] <rymate1234> yay for htop freezing my pi
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[15:55] <UnaClocker> Ahh, morning on the day after. If yesterday was the end of the world, today we must be on a new world. errr...
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[15:56] <UnaClocker> Sup Toker
[15:57] <Zencrypter> Let's work on my Raspberry Pi Saver system ! :?
[15:57] <UnaClocker> What's it saving? Screen saver?
[15:58] <Zencrypter> The aim of my project is to create a system which would avoid the Pi to be shut down without "sudo halt"
[15:58] <UnaClocker> Ahh, a "UPS" type power supply. Good idea..
[15:58] <biberao> is it normal
[15:58] <biberao> the system stopping and setting up alsa?
[15:58] <UnaClocker> Could be a simple shield that plugs into the GPIO pins..
[15:58] <Zencrypter> For example if you mother unplugs the power supply, if the electicity is cut off
[15:59] <Zencrypter> shut off while thunders are near your house*
[15:59] <Zencrypter> The idea is that :
[15:59] <Tachyon`> lol, that takes me back 30 years
[15:59] <UnaClocker> Ahh yeah, Tindie.com is selling a lightning detector board...
[15:59] <Zencrypter> USB (+5V) -> RPi Saver -> Raspberry Pi board
[15:59] <Tachyon`> living in a village where the power would go off for 30 seconds if lightning struck nearby
[15:59] <Tachyon`> and trying to use a ZX81 under those conditions
[16:00] <Zencrypter> It detects automatically if the power suddenly goes off
[16:00] <biberao> please
[16:00] <TomWij> rymate1234: no route to host means you haven't set a default gateway
[16:00] <Zencrypter> Thanks to relays, and then 4 batteries supply power to the RPi (4 x AA)
[16:00] <Zencrypter> There is suddenly an order send to GPIO pins requesting halt
[16:00] <TomWij> `route add default gw your.router.ip.here` although you probably want to configure this in something that does it automatically for you
[16:01] <Tachyon`> you'll need a sizeable cap so you get power back quick enough
[16:01] <Zencrypter> And finally your system is safe...
[16:01] <Tachyon`> if you're switching to batteries that way
[16:01] <Zencrypter> Tachyon`, What do you mean ?
[16:02] <Tachyon`> well, persumably the batteries will be disconnected when not in use so they don't overcharge/explode/etc.?
[16:02] <Zencrypter> Yes
[16:02] <Tachyon`> so you'll need something to detect the power loss and switch supply before it actually loses power
[16:02] <UnaClocker> Have the power come in, maintain the batteries, run the Pi off a regulator fed by the batteries at all times. Power goes out, nothing changes other than the charge stops.
[16:02] <Zencrypter> Yes :)
[16:02] <biberao> raspbian is borked
[16:02] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: I could totally design/build this in a weekend. It's a great idea. :)
[16:03] <Zencrypter> I'll show the electronic scheme when I'll have finish :)
[16:03] <biberao> Use of uninitialized value $value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 65, <$__ANONIO__> line 4495.
[16:03] <Zencrypter> It is an "Open SOurce" Project ;)
[16:03] <Tachyon`> hrm, unacloker, that might work but remember NiMH etc. can't be constantly charged
[16:03] <Zencrypter> when I finish* (English fail :?)
[16:03] <UnaClocker> Tachyon`: I was thinking more like LiPo, and use a charger circuit much like a laptop.
[16:03] <Tachyon`> I was pondering something similar with mine and a couple of 3.7v LiPo with regulator etc.
[16:04] <artag> use a phone booster pack - one that has separate charge and discharge sockets.
[16:04] <Tachyon`> ah aye, that would be ideal
[16:04] <Zencrypter> If some of you are interested and want to help me...
[16:04] <Zencrypter> I can Dropbox files :?
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[16:04] <Zencrypter> (I'm using gEDA to design it)
[16:04] <Tachyon`> but LiPo are /definitely/ prone to catastrophic failure if overcharged
[16:04] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: What microcontroller do you plan to use? Something like an ATMega328?
[16:04] <Zencrypter> I don't know yet...
[16:05] <Zencrypter> I got the idea recently when my mother unplugged my Pi
[16:05] <UnaClocker> heh
[16:05] <Zencrypter> And the filesystem got totally broken
[16:05] <Tachyon`> oh dear
[16:05] <Zencrypter> Even with fsck it was horrible
[16:05] <Zencrypter> Nothing worked anymore
[16:05] <UnaClocker> My kids have unplugged my sheevaplug server from time to time, that's always a big hassle.
[16:05] <Tachyon`> fscked you might say
[16:05] <Zencrypter> Yes
[16:06] <Zencrypter> It took me 2 days to reinstall everything :(
[16:06] <Zencrypter> And then I thought about the coming summer...
[16:06] <UnaClocker> 3 years, and I've never lost the file system on the sd card of my sheevaplug.. The Pi is much more fragile.
[16:06] <Tachyon`> dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/mnt/foo/backup.bin bs=65536 is easy enough
[16:06] <Tachyon`> no excuse for not hacing backups when teh whole os is on an SD really, lol
[16:07] <UnaClocker> True that, I need to do that..
[16:07] <Zencrypter> Now, I backed-up everything
[16:07] <Tachyon`> if you're doing it on the pi itself make sure you mount the root fs read only first
[16:07] <Zencrypter> And I can copy and paste everything whenever it wouldn't work
[16:07] <Zencrypter> But I think the Pi Saver is a good solution...
[16:07] <Tachyon`> aye, but I've had the pi corrupt an fs while the system was running before
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> afternoon folks. how goes?
[16:08] <Tachyon`> with no reboots at all between the last reflash and the falure
[16:08] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.pi/piwtf.jpg
[16:08] <Tachyon`> see that pic
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> cool!
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> or not...
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> I've had that before.
[16:09] <Tachyon`> lol
[16:09] <Tachyon`> yeah, wasn't very cool
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[16:09] <Tachyon`> that particular time it was fine on the reboot
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> the last time it happened the SD card was fine too.
[16:09] <Tachyon`> which suggests it'd lost communication with the SD card
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> I was overclocking...
[16:09] <UnaClocker> Yeah, my first corruption came when I tried to run at 1.15GHz.. heh
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> now I've stopped overclocking and not had any issues.
[16:09] <Tachyon`> I'm running at a fairly modest 950
[16:10] <UnaClocker> Yeah, I'm at 950 on my Chinese 512mb board now..
[16:10] <Tachyon`> I was running at 1024 at one time for obvious reaosns but reduced it
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> O rant mine at 900 for a long time - actually they seemed more stable at 900 fixed than use the turbo mode...
[16:10] <Tachyon`> as there was slight instability at 1024
[16:10] <UnaClocker> Q3 still causes an instant reboot, but everything else works fine for me..
[16:11] <shiftplusone> Hmm... wonder how well an NFS rootfs would work.
[16:11] <rymate1234> ....
[16:11] <rymate1234> COME ON RPI
[16:11] <rymate1234> LEMME SSH IN
[16:11] <Tachyon`> are you sure you're usign the right ip
[16:11] <Tachyon`> mine has a habit of moving
[16:11] <rymate1234> 100% certain
[16:11] <Tachyon`> and an NFS rootfs would work very well on a wired network
[16:11] <Tachyon`> I doubt it's possible on wireless though
[16:12] <shiftplusone> Think I'll give that a go tomorrow then.
[16:12] <biberao> now it boots but gives a lot of errors
[16:12] <biberao> i cant do a thing
[16:12] <Tachyon`> think all you have to do is modify cmdline.txt to tell it to do it
[16:12] <rymate1234> derp, router derped out again
[16:12] <Tachyon`> and have nic support right in the kernel, not as a module
[16:13] <Tachyon`> which it may be already,I've not looked
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[16:13] <rymate1234> brb rebooting router again
[16:13] <rymate1234> -.-
[16:13] <shiftplusone> Tachyon`, yeah I am sure it's trivial. Can always recompile the kernel if necessary.
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[16:19] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: You could use a MAX712 chip to charge/maintain NiMH's, it supports charging/running off the batteries while it's powering the load (the Pi).. But it's an expensive chip..
[16:19] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, I'll have a look then ;)
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[16:19] <UnaClocker> $11 in single quantities.. This board could cost more than a Pi with that kind of pricing.
[16:20] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: http://letsmakerobots.com/node/92272
[16:20] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: http://letsmakerobots.com/node/9272 err, use that link.
[16:20] <Zencrypter> Thanks
[16:21] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, Then, you suggested to use a microcontroller...
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[16:21] <rymate1234> yay
[16:21] <rymate1234> I can connect to the pi now
[16:21] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, A relay isn't a good choice at all ?
[16:21] <Zencrypter> It switches too slowly ?
[16:22] <Grievre> So if I have a Pi sitting somewhere doing something that doesn't really involve writing anything to disk
[16:22] <UnaClocker> Correct, you need to go solid state.
[16:22] <Grievre> do I need to do any special configging if I want it to not freak out if it loses power?
[16:22] <UnaClocker> Best to have the Pi running off the backup batteries at all times, and just keep them "float" charging.
[16:22] <Zencrypter> Yes ;)
[16:23] <Grievre> Like, what generally gets written to disk in the course of running raspbian?
[16:23] <Grievre> log files?
[16:23] <UnaClocker> Grievre: It will USUALLY recover ok if you cut off power..
[16:24] <UnaClocker> Once in awhile, it'll corrupt the whole file system.
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[16:24] <Zencrypter> "Choose how many cells to charge. Minimum Input Voltage = Number of cells x 1.9 + 1.5 "
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[16:25] <Zencrypter> Then, to charge 4 1.2V batteries, I would need a power supply of 9.1 V ?!?
[16:25] <Zencrypter> The aim was to power it thanks to the USB port...
[16:25] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: You could run it off a pair of AA's with a boost converter..
[16:25] <UnaClocker> I'd have a barrel jack on mine, and run it off a power brick (wall-wart)..
[16:26] <UnaClocker> My current Pi shield has that setup.. Barrel jack..
[16:27] <UnaClocker> Nice thing about a pair of AA's, they'd fit on the shield itself.
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[16:27] <Zencrypter> Don't you think charging these 4.8 Battery on a 5V USB port would be enough ?
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[16:27] <Zencrypter> Since it would switch on the batteries five times a year maximum...
[16:27] <UnaClocker> With a boost converter off the USB power, but you only have 500ma to work with.. Guess it doesn't have to fast charge...
[16:27] <Zencrypter> Only in case of emergency...
[16:28] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, I even thought about a capacitor first
[16:28] <biberao> quick way to test video on the pi
[16:28] <viric> ha, this pi plays videos nicely, even though compiling programs
[16:28] <Zencrypter> Since you see, batteries would be needed 30s maximum
[16:28] <Zencrypter> Time to get the pi shut down...
[16:29] <UnaClocker> Yeah..
[16:29] <Zencrypter> We could even use "normal" batteries...
[16:29] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1pcs-MAX712CPE-MAX712-NiCd-NiMH-Battery-Fast-Charge-Controllers-/170955150469?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cdb89485
[16:29] <Tachyon`> max712, cheap from china
[16:29] * UnaClocker gets a cup of coffee while his Pi spends 5 minutes loading that page...
[16:29] <Grievre> will raspbian run okay with its filesystems mounted RO?
[16:30] <Zencrypter> Yes, even using a fine 9V battery would be enough...
[16:30] <Tachyon`> it'll run
[16:30] <Tachyon`> not exactly okay
[16:30] <Grievre> Will mounting them RO be enough to prevent stuff from being corrupted?
[16:30] <Tachyon`> and it should, it depends
[16:30] <Tachyon`> you could also mount the root fs read only and have a union for read/write
[16:30] <shiftplusone> Grievre, what do you need it to do?
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[16:30] <UnaClocker> Tachyon`: Good find, but I was looking at SMT, takes up less space..
[16:30] <Tachyon`> tehn if anything goes awry you can just reset the union and restore it to working conditions
[16:30] <Tachyon`> ah, I can't etch my own boards (yet) so stripboard here typically
[16:30] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, What do you think ?
[16:31] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, It would reduce the coast of the RPi saver...
[16:31] <Grievre> shiftplusone: the Pi is basically going to be running a program that generates an image to be displayed by a big LED board
[16:31] <Zencrypter> cost*
[16:31] <Grievre> shiftplusone: so disk writes should be necessary only relatively rarely
[16:31] <UnaClocker> I don't know enough about capacitors.
[16:31] <Zencrypter> No, I thought about a 9V battery
[16:31] <Zencrypter> Which wouldn't need to be charges
[16:31] <Tachyon`> in that situation I'd have a read only root fs with a union to a USB stick with the data etc.
[16:31] <Zencrypter> > Les electronics, less expensive
[16:31] <Tachyon`> so you can change the signage just by replacing the USB stick
[16:31] <shiftplusone> Grievre, I'd go with a minimal rootfs image you can use as initramfs.
[16:32] <Tachyon`> which even customers should be able to do unsupervised
[16:32] <UnaClocker> Ahh, heh, yeah.. The power handoff circuitry would be beyond my skills on that setup.. heh..
[16:32] <UnaClocker> Rechargeable 9v might work though...
[16:32] <biberao> i cant access my hdd through smb
[16:32] <biberao> :|
[16:32] <UnaClocker> You'd need a 12v power supply at that point..
[16:32] <Zencrypter> Even not a rechargeable one...
[16:33] <Zencrypter> For 30s of use, it would be far enough...
[16:33] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: Yes, but if it's not rechargeable, you won't be running off of it till you lose power, at that point you're going to need to switch power sources..
[16:34] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, DO you mean that the power supply would be used until the pi goes off (Not enough energy in the batteries ?)
[16:34] <Grievre> So under Raspbian, what files generally have to be written to by system stuff?
[16:34] <UnaClocker> There are definitely multiple ways to do this, each with plusses and minusses.
[16:35] <Zencrypter> Yes, sure...
[16:36] <UnaClocker> I'm saying with a non rechargeable, the Pi will be running off the, say, USB input power, until that goes away, then it will need to switch to the 9v backup source before the Pi notices.. I suppose a large cap might work, but the triggering circuitry for the switching would have to be very finely tuned... If you use a diode, you get a voltage drop...
[16:37] <UnaClocker> If you don't use a diode, you have to monitor for voltage dropping, to enable the 9v backup. And that might lead to false triggering.
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[16:37] <Zencrypter> Ok ;)
[16:38] <biberao> how can i output omxplayer
[16:38] <biberao> to composite?
[16:38] <UnaClocker> Not to mention, if power is only out for (as an example) 2 seconds, how do you transition back to USB power?
[16:38] <UnaClocker> biberao: While also using the HDMI connector?
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[16:39] <biberao> UnaClocker: its rca
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[16:39] <UnaClocker> That's an interesting idea, I've never heard of anyone trying to do that. Not sure if it's possible.
[16:39] <biberao> i have the raspi-config
[16:39] <biberao> on that
[16:39] <biberao> i dont have a usb kebyardo
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[16:40] <biberao> i dont have a usb keyboard
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[16:41] <viric> how to interpret /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp ? in m??C?
[16:43] <shiftplusone> IIRC move a decimal place left.
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[16:44] <shiftplusone> in C, not mC
[16:45] <shiftplusone> yes, I recall wrong.
[16:45] <shiftplusone> looks like it's already in m?C
[16:46] <biberao> ok
[16:46] <biberao> its working
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[16:47] <viric> 45??, fine
[16:53] <viric> do you think process priorities (nice value) works fine in the pi?
[16:53] <viric> I've one at nice 10, another at nice 0, and 'top' shows they take the same % of cpu
[16:53] <shiftplusone> is your cpu usage 100$
[16:53] <shiftplusone> %
[16:53] <viric> yes
[16:54] <viric> 48% one, 48% the other, top the rest
[16:54] <shiftplusone> and if they both have the default niceness?
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[16:54] <viric> they are gcc, compiling
[16:54] <viric> I can't tell without breaking some things now...
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[16:55] <shiftplusone> hm
[16:55] <viric> ah I can renice. wait
[16:55] <shiftplusone> try a 0 and a -10
[16:56] <shiftplusone> or a 10 and a -10
[16:56] <viric> with both at nice 0, it does the same.
[16:56] <viric> 48% each
[16:56] <viric> -10 is for root
[16:56] <viric> my pc systems make a huge difference, with nice values 0 and 10
[16:57] <shiftplusone> Strange, I don't see any reason for nice not to work on pi.
[16:57] <viric> neither do I. I run a sheevaplug system, and nice works fine there.
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[16:58] <Kane> o/
[16:58] <viric> nice 19 and 0 don't make any difference either.
[16:59] <mrmoney2012> gordon - you around ?
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[17:00] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, hello?
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[17:01] <mrmoney2012> hi??? just wondered - i think you previously advised???. i have a push button switch I'd like to monitor??? you had a quick method i think
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> use the I2C pins and connect the switch between them and ground.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> no resistors needed, but make sure the pins are set to inputs.
[17:02] <mrmoney2012> my GPIO is rather full up though as it stands, with a RF transmitter controlling the marlin remote control sockets and a digital therm
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> if the I2C pins are free, then use them...
[17:02] <viric> shiftplusone: may you try about nice? :)
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> make sure the I2C drivers aren't loaded (they're not normally)
[17:03] <shiftplusone> viric, I'll give it a go.
[17:03] <biberao> Pi works!
[17:03] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: - ok, am looking at that??? are there some details somewhere - although i hear you??? will have a go at it in a few mins
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> the thing about nice is that it will still let program run if they're at a low proirity if other processes are waiting on IO
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> waiting on IO is often a bottleneck.
[17:04] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, I've seen that to charge the batteries : http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/4002?ver=D&t=al&utm_expid=50713806-2&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalspirit.org%2Fwiki%2Fprojets%2Fchargeurlipousb
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, not details as such, but this page has a button connected to an I2C pin: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/3-more-leds-and-a-button/
[17:05] <biberao> any way to play subtitles on omxplayer?
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[17:06] <viric> shiftplusone: thx
[17:06] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: thank you very much - going to give it a go in a bit??? hopefully i don't knock out too many of my other connections !
[17:06] <shiftplusone> viric, same here, both using 47
[17:06] <viric> ok
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, good luck!
[17:06] <viric> weird, no?
[17:06] <shiftplusone> nice -n 19 gzip -9 < /dev/urandom > /dev/null and nice -n 0 gzip -9 < /dev/urandom > /dev/null
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[17:07] <mrmoney2012> but first to test the speed of my new raspberry-nas.
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[17:11] <mrmoney2012> sorry, but what do you mean by I2C pins??? wiring pi pin 7 ? if so that won't work as that's the input for my digi thermometer
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[17:12] <viric> anyone using go in the pi?
[17:12] <viric> I got a SIGILL
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, the I2C pins are numbers 8 and 9 in the wiringPi numbering systems.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, if you have a Rev 1 board then they're 0 and 1 in BCM_GPIO numbers, or 2 and 3 on a Rev 2 board.
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, see the big picture on: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[17:14] <Armand> Stupid question time! \o/
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, look for SDA0 and SCL0.
[17:15] <Armand> Can I remove the 3.3v regulator, and supply 3.3v via the USB input? I'm not using the other USB ports at all.
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> Armand, NO.
[17:15] <Armand> :/
[17:15] <Armand> Why not?
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> Armand, USB is 5V.
[17:15] <mrhobbz> beanz
[17:15] <mrmoney2012> it's a recent board so that's 8 and 9 i guess
[17:15] <Armand> I can supply the 3.3v
[17:16] <Armand> *via a USB cable.
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, it's always 8 and 9 in wiringPi - my numbers stay the same regardless of the board revision. Good, eh? Imagine having yuor GPIO pins change number under you...
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> Armand, OK, feel free, but it will end in tears...
[17:16] <UnaClocker> Armand: You don't have to remove anything, try feeding 3.3v into the 3.3v GPIO pin, see if it boots up.
[17:17] <UnaClocker> You won't have ethernet, because it's a USB device.
[17:17] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, It seems I haven't enought electronic skills to design my Pi Saver for the moment :(
[17:17] <Armand> UnaClocker, I was thinking of the standard input port as it has a polyfuse.
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[17:17] <Zencrypter> It seems difficult to create the controlling charge circuit, etc...
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> Don't feed 3.3v into the GPIO 3.3v pin either without removing the on-board 3.3v regulator.
[17:18] <mrmoney2012> so if i understand??? pin8 <---> switch <---> ground OR pin9 <---> switch <---> ground (wiring pins - labeled on board if you like 3 and 5 (6 for ground)
[17:18] <Armand> Yeah, I get that, gordonDrogon ;)
[17:18] <UnaClocker> Zencrypter: The idea is rolling around my head, I might do it, but it'd push my skillset (a good thing) and I'm not sure it'd be cost effective.
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, yes.
[17:18] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, Ok
[17:18] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: aha - i did wonder why you had special numbering scheme - makes sensee
[17:18] <biberao> is there a way to have youtube dl output to hdmi?
[17:18] <mrmoney2012> ok??? trying in a mo - next question after that will be how to read the switch (i have wiring pi installed)
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, Yea, ugh. well. it's a long story. one I've had both praise and criticism for )-:
[17:19] <Armand> I was just thinking, as the 3.3v regulator is on the 5v input anyways.. I can just remove/bypass that point and supply 3.3v along what's normally the 5v input ?
[17:19] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, Would you be interested in sharing a Dropbox folder with me ?
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> Armand, the Pi needs 5v as well as 3.3v.
[17:19] <Zencrypter> To share the ideas, etc...
[17:19] <Armand> gordonDrogon, what for?
[17:19] <mrmoney2012> have to work fast before Mrs Money and Son, come back from super heroes party (batman in case you wondering)
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> Armand, internal stuff - the memory I think. There's a thread recently on the forums about it too - Pi won't work with just 3.3v.
[17:20] <Armand> Ok, that makes sense then.
[17:20] <Armand> I thought it was only the 2 normal USB ports that were using it.
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, I picked that numbering scheme as Arduino's wiring has a numbering scheme that ides the real underlying hardware - to make it easier to use. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but after criticism I added in a 2nd mode too.
[17:20] <Armand> If that's not the case, I'll continue with the 5v USB input.
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> Armand, look at the schematic - 5V goes into the SoC at several places.
[17:21] <mrmoney2012> switiching to wifi.. brbr
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[17:21] <viric> oh damn go
[17:21] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, For example, you see, imagine there is a power cut
[17:21] <viric> it wants VFPv3
[17:21] <viric> and the pi has only VFPv2
[17:21] <Armand> Ok, gordonDrogon.. I'll look at other solutions then. ;)
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[17:22] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, Then, whenever the power would be back, the Pi would be restarting after the batteries would be uncharged
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Armand, what are you trying to achieve?
[17:23] <Armand> Zencrypter, I'm going the other way.. using a mains transformer as backup to a battery source. :P
[17:23] <Zencrypter> UnaClocker, But then, if another power cut takes place very quickly, the Pi wouldn't have restarted and there would be no power in the batteries
[17:23] <Armand> gordonDrogon, saving power.. as I'm using a solar source.
[17:23] <Zencrypter> Thus shuting down the Pi unproperly
[17:24] <Zencrypter> So I also thought that we may add a system which would ask us to push a button to reload the system
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[17:25] <Zencrypter> Armand, Why not share a Dropbox folder together ?
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[17:25] <Zencrypter> Armand, UnaClocker, I hope your project will be under GPL License... :)
[17:26] <Armand> Zencrypter, I have no use for that.
[17:26] <Zencrypter> Ok
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[17:27] <Armand> Zencrypter, I'm not a developer..
[17:28] <Zencrypter> Armand, But I'm thinking about the electronic scheme
[17:28] <Zencrypter> You can use GPL for everything
[17:28] <Zencrypter> (Or Creative Commons)
[17:29] <Armand> Well, it's all common knowledge... there's a small amount of code being done for my power switching controller.
[17:29] <mrmoney2012> gordonDrogon: ok, switch connected pin9 <---> switch <---> ground .. how to test ?
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[17:29] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, gpio command: gpio mode 9 in ; gpio read 9
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, it will read '1' when not pushed, and read '0' when pushed.
[17:30] <mrmoney2012> oops.. gpio: command not found
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, wiringPi needs to be installed.
[17:30] <mrmoney2012> thought i had it already??? must have been a previous project
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[17:30] <mrmoney2012> ok.. installing
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[17:30] <gordonDrogon> cd ; git clone git git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ; ./build
[17:31] <mrmoney2012> oh.. i had WiringPi-Python
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> yea - that just has the libraries, not the utilities.
[17:31] <mrmoney2012> am gitting??? etc
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> oops, type there:
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> cd ; git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ; ./build
[17:32] <mrmoney2012> compiling
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> it should only take a few seconds to compile & install.
[17:32] <mrmoney2012> all done
[17:32] <mrmoney2012> now the test...
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> try gpio -v
[17:32] <mrmoney2012> gpio version: 1.5
[17:32] <mrmoney2012> This Raspberry Pi is a revision 2 board.
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> good - all working then :)
[17:33] <mrmoney2012> guess what???.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> it works?
[17:33] <mrmoney2012> yip - :-) thanks for the walk through
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> hurrah! You can now use digitalRead (9) in your program - or whatever the python equivalent is.
[17:34] <Encrypt> I have to go
[17:35] <Encrypt> Armand, UnaClocker, I'll come back soon !
[17:35] <Encrypt> Bye !
[17:35] <mrmoney2012> ok.. thanks - have to write the program first???:-) but the wife unfriendly bit is done??? i can now hide the wires a bit
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[17:36] <mrmoney2012> it'll probably be playing christmas songs or something when my son presses the button
[17:36] <mrmoney2012> actually could have it doing the lights as well???
[17:36] <biberao> im happy
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> do the lights in CESIL using my CESIL powered virtual xmas tree lights :)
[17:37] <mrmoney2012> any ideas why i have w1-gpio and w1-therm in /etc/modules but they don't seem to get installed on boot ?
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/cesil-controlled-xmas-tree-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> they may not exist...
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[17:38] <mrmoney2012> one for another day.
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[17:49] <mrmoney2012> this is my test script - works??? the sleep value seems key - also the thing i want to run, i don't want it to run multiple times if the user keeps the button down..
[17:49] <mrmoney2012> http://pastie.org/5565641
[17:49] <mrmoney2012> would like the switch to be quite responsive though
[17:50] <gordonDrogon> you expand the script -
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> so when the button is pushed- you then loop, waiting for it to be released - then you run the program, then go back to the top of the script.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> as long as you don't run it with an & at the end, then the script will wait for the program to end.
[17:51] <mrmoney2012> yes. ok & for background??? thanks
[17:55] <mrmoney2012> switch.sh using about 3.5% of cpu
[17:59] <shiftplusone> interesting use of a pi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05zCLWFPDZw
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> is it a Pi controlling it all?
[18:00] <shiftplusone> a pi an an arduino
[18:00] <shiftplusone> *and an
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon> is there a description anywhere?
[18:01] <shiftplusone> I don't know if it's preprogrammed or if it's doing something interesting like processing audio
[18:01] <shiftplusone> hackaday
[18:01] <shiftplusone> http://hackaday.com/2012/12/22/firehero-raspberry-pi-controlled-pyrotechnics/
[18:01] <chris_99> the fire thing is awesome!
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> neat.
[18:02] <chris_99> i guess they're doing FFT to find the notes, and then opening the appropiate valves
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> it's possible to FFT - yes, but I wonder if it's merely "playing" something like a click-track ..
[18:02] <shiftplusone> I have a suspicion that it's sequenced
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> "A server runs on the Pi and allows a remote computer to control the system."
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[18:03] <gordonDrogon> yea, maybe the Pi is just a cheap ethernet front-end to the Arduino...
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> still good though./
[18:03] <atouk> midi would make more sense
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[18:05] <gordonDrogon> right. really must go to the kitchen now...
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> laters..
[18:05] <atouk> cook ups something tasty
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[18:08] <RoyK> is there something like 'certified' PSUs for the pi? I've tested some 5-6-7 USB PSUs, and they all suck big time. Best one could give me perhaps 4,5V with the pi alone
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> I think it's likely that unless it came with your phone, it's likely to be junk.
[18:12] <shiftplusone> A genuine Samsung/Apple/HTC sort of PSU would be best, but even then it's hard to tell if they are actually genuine.
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[18:15] <shiftplusone> RoyK, the problem might also be the cable. Some have a very significant resistance which causes a a voltage drop as well.
[18:15] <shiftplusone> RoyK, but I think you're after this http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_power_Adapters
[18:17] <RoyK> shiftplusone: maybe - I haven't tried direct wiring from the PSU, only a few USB cables. But then - if these were so bad, shouldn't they heat up?
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[18:19] <SupaYoshi> Hello, anyone an idea how to backup my SD card in windows?
[18:19] <shiftplusone> It could be about 0.25W and I have no idea what that would mean in terms of heat dissipation over the area of a cord, especially if you take the insulation into account... I am guessing you wouldn't be able to feel it.
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[18:20] <SupaYoshi> hi :)
[18:20] <RoyK> true
[18:20] <SupaYoshi> can I make a backup with Win32DiskImager?
[18:21] <shiftplusone> I don't know, but there's dd for windows and also this tool here http://www.roadkil.net/program.php?ProgramID=12
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[18:22] <dr_willis> You can image your sd card to a file. then image it to another flash.
[18:23] <shiftplusone> dr_willis, I think he's asking how to image it to a file from windows in the first place.
[18:24] <shiftplusone> I just tried, Roadkil's DiskImage and it looks like it will do exactly that.
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[18:27] <mueslee> frikinz: i'll try - thx :)
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[18:31] <SupaYoshi> AWesome!
[18:31] <SupaYoshi> MY SD card is 3,78 GB, as it says Physical Disk backup, will it backup the full thing?
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[18:35] <dr_willis> I would think it would backup the whole disk. :) thats sort of its job to image disks to and from files.
[18:35] <SupaYoshi> anybody here with a image for asterisk 10 + freepbx?
[18:35] <SupaYoshi> lol lol
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[18:40] <fayimora> hey guys??? i don't have access to a LAN connection. How do i connect my Pi to a wireless network
[18:41] <fayimora> the least painful way will be appreciated :D
[18:41] <UnaClocker> fayimora: USB adapter, in a powered hub.
[18:42] <fayimora> UnaClocker: I have no idea what that means
[18:42] <TAFB> fayimora: a WiFi Pi: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg
[18:43] <fayimora> oh crap.. even more things to buy..phew!
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[18:43] <TAFB> fayimora: I used this USB adapter: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1053&item_id=050682
[18:44] <TAFB> fayimora: and if your Pi doesn't put out enough power to make it work properly, you might have to hot wire your USB ports for MOAR POWA! http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[18:45] <dr_willis> Holy Crosswired USB ports batman!
[18:45] <dr_willis> ;)
[18:45] <TAFB> hehe
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[18:45] <TAFB> the bottom of my Pi looks similar to this ;) http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[18:45] <fayimora> TAFB: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Link-TL-WN725N-150Mbps-Wireless-N-Adapter/dp/B008B7PZU4/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1356198256&sr=8-10 <--- is that it?
[18:46] <TAFB> that is the one
[18:46] <TAFB> rock solid stable, works amazing
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[18:48] <fayimora> i guess i have to pack the pi up until i get the adapter :(
[18:49] <SupaYoshi> why?
[18:49] <SupaYoshi> cant you power it by usb?
[18:49] <fayimora> SupaYoshi: well no internet connection
[18:49] <SupaYoshi> ahh
[18:49] <SupaYoshi> lol shit.
[18:49] <SupaYoshi> glad i dont have that problem ><
[18:49] <TAFB> SupaYoshi: watch the language plz
[18:49] <fayimora> yeah.. annoying.. I just ordered an adapter
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[18:50] <TAFB> hey pksato!
[18:50] <dr_willis> picked up several wifi dongles last few months. ;) made sure they worked with Ubuntu befor ordering. so far all 3 have worked out of the box with the pis
[18:50] <SupaYoshi> sorry sh*t is a dutch word that is used as not a mean word :P
[18:50] <dr_willis> Great for .. err.. discovering the neighbors wifi
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[18:51] <TAFB> dr_willis: I use a special higher power USB adapter to "borrow" my neighbours Wifi :) He's 21km away!
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[18:52] * dr_willis converts to miles.
[18:52] <dr_willis> ;)
[18:52] <TAFB> lol
[18:52] <TAFB> it's far ;)
[18:53] <dr_willis> if i dangle the wifi dongle thing out the window. i get about 4 differnt open networks here.. and a dozen locked down.
[18:53] <TAFB> nice!
[18:53] <dr_willis> gotta love dangling your dongle out the window.
[18:53] <TAFB> if the locked down ones are using WEP and not WPA then they aren't too hard to unlock ;)
[18:54] <dr_willis> some times the roku or other gizmos accidently connect to the open networks if my router is off. then they dont want to reconnect back to my own network after it comes back up.
[18:54] <dr_willis> getting where wifi congestion is going to be a problem to watch out for.
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[18:56] <TAFB> dr_willis: for sure. My friend lives in an apartment building, there's so much WiFi that her laptop only works on her router if she is sitting in the same room, the signal is so weak :(
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[19:02] <dr_willis> so many radio signals her Floresant lights light up in their boxs ;)
[19:02] <dr_willis> Neat trick to do around high-tension power lines.
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[19:12] <Aranel> is it possible to change RAM/GPU memory ratio on-the-fly?
[19:12] <Aranel> I'm making a media-center mode/NAS mode switch :)
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[19:15] <Strykar> hi, I was hoping to find some answers to nano/microsecond accurate time keeping using rpi. I read the j.beale thread http://goo.gl/KLhj8 and was wondering if this would enable higher resolution than the sureelectronics board: http://www.ilotus.com.sg/m12m_timing_oncore or would it be hampered by USB bus latency on the rpi?
[19:16] <CarlFK> is there a list of webcams that work "better" ? like work out of the box with 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img
[19:17] <jelly1> CarlFK: most webcams work via v4l
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[19:19] <CarlFK> jelly1: so if I plug it into my ubuntu laptop and it works with xawtv , thats a good test?
[19:19] <jelly1> CarlFK: i bet it will work then
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[19:19] <Armand> How many watts does the Pi consume headless with no additional hardware (besides SD, obviously) ?
[19:19] <CarlFK> jelly1: thanks. I was hoping it was tat easy :)
[19:19] <jelly1> try and see
[19:19] <jelly1> Armand: google knows
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[19:20] <Hopsy> hey I am really confused now, what is s-video and composite video
[19:20] <Hopsy> are those two the same or not?
[19:21] <jelly1> s-video != composite
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[19:21] <viric> the cable is different
[19:21] <viric> but the signal is equal, for what I understand
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[19:22] <Hopsy> but, its not working with s-video
[19:22] <jelly1> iirc s-video is a bit nicer
[19:22] <jelly1> but the pi doesnt have s-video ;)
[19:22] <viric> hm no idea. I've some s-video/rca dumb cables, iirc
[19:22] <Hopsy> what is iirc?
[19:23] <viric> short for 'if i recall correctly'. You can install wtf. wtf iirc
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[19:24] <CarlFK> "Video information is encoded on two channels: luma (luminance, intensity, "Y") and chroma (colour, "C"). This separation is in contrast with slightly lower quality composite video (1 channel) and higher quality component video (3 channels)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video
[19:24] <viric> ah, maybe s-video *contains* composite video, the same way DVI cables contain analog vga signals
[19:25] <viric> Hopsy: 'wtf' is in bsdgames. apt-get install bsdgames.
[19:25] <ScarletSwordfish> my brother's rpi came in the mail :D
[19:26] <Hopsy> I have lost my tv manual -.-
[19:26] <Hopsy> I have a scart cable, and according to you guys I cant use that
[19:26] <jelly1> Hopsy: lies
[19:27] <jelly1> Hopsy: you can use a scart cable that has one part scat and the other part composite :)
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[19:27] <Hopsy> ow, I have 3 colors, red white en yellow
[19:27] <dr_willis> S-Video :) old skool.
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[19:28] <Hopsy> I know, but I want to use PIP on my tv :'(
[19:28] <jelly1> Hopsy: use the yellow calbe
[19:28] <dr_willis> I do recall seeing RCA <-> Svideo adaptors.
[19:28] <jelly1> Hopsy: yellow -> Pi
[19:28] <Hopsy> but I have also an other cable http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/36/11267/t27a950-adaptateur.jpg left one
[19:29] <Hopsy> already tried jelly1
[19:29] <jelly1> since black and white is audio
[19:29] <Hopsy> black screen, and my tv says no output
[19:29] <Hopsy> no signal *
[19:29] <jelly1> ugh that is hmmm
[19:30] <Hopsy> when I connect hdmi it works, so it is the cable or raspberry pi
[19:31] <viric> scart has pins for both composite video, and separate rgb
[19:31] <dr_willis> Hmm,. If hdmi is plugged in at power on/bootup. the rca jack is disabled i belive
[19:31] <dr_willis> it dosent hot-plug. (or so i recall reading, ive never tried the rca jack yet)
[19:32] <Hopsy> rca stands for?
[19:32] <jelly1> Hopsy: composite
[19:32] <dr_willis> Standard Phono type plugs. ;)
[19:32] <Hopsy> ah okay
[19:33] <dr_willis> Gotta love so many differnt types of plugs for simple connections.
[19:34] <dr_willis> got a cheap tablet for the kids - its power plug was the exact same size as the non-standard headphone jack.. kids kept plugging the power into the Headphone port.
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[19:37] <ScarletSwordfish> i think i can make a case out of an atari 2600 cartridge :o
[19:37] <ScarletSwordfish> might not be thick enough though D:
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> right here we are again... slave to the kitchen timer :)
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> first flan case in the oven (or 2)
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> beep!
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[20:03] <Toothpick> does anyone has any recommendation of a streamer besides xbmc?
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[20:10] <artag> RCA stands for Radio Corporation of America. But dr_willis's answer was probably more useful :)
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[20:14] <monkers> how fast is the pi compared to a modern day PC processor like an intel i5? can it even be compared?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> rca plugs are only called rca plugs in the US - it's phono or composite video elsewhere IME.
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[20:18] <UnaClocker> monkers: No. It's unusably slow compared to them.
[20:19] <monkers> hrm.. like.. 486 66mhz?
[20:20] <monkers> or like 400mhz pentium 1
[20:20] <UnaClocker> Well, it's hard to quantify like that.. A 486 would be running Win3.1 or 95 at most.. This is more like Pentium 233 trying to run XP...
[20:20] <monkers> ok
[20:21] <Toothpick> how can i play a sound using the RPi's sound jack?
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[20:21] <Armand> UnaClocker, give it 1GB RAM, it will be fine. ;)
[20:21] <monkers> i ask cause i want to move my robots web front end to the raspberry PI itself, so it wont need a controller server.
[20:21] <UnaClocker> Armand: Till you visit YouTube.. heh..
[20:21] <Armand> lol.. I know..
[20:21] <Armand> mem[Physical: 756.0MB, 15.0% free - Swap: none]
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[20:22] <UnaClocker> monkers: You can run a webserver on the Pi just fine. Not sure about active pages, I only deal with static pages myself...
[20:24] <monkers> its .. fairly static i suppose :D
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[20:25] <Armand> UnaClocker, Drupal runs like a charm. ;)
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> Toothpick, get a WAV file, use one of the many player programs..
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[20:28] <Toothpick> gordonDrogon: first i want to know if sound can come out, i know it is done somehow by "dd if=/dev/urandom" but I don't know the output file of the sound device
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[20:55] <UnaClocker> pianobar is awesome.. Pandora on the Pi.. :)
[20:56] <UnaClocker> I'm using some crappy laptop speakers that get power from the USB..
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[21:46] <mrmoney2012> how do i view the processor speed live??? i mean i want to see if over clocking is in place?
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> mrmoney2012, /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock core
[21:49] <mrmoney2012> trying ??? thanks
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> Toothpick, sound should come out of the 3.5mm jack if there is no hdmi plugged in.
[21:50] <gordonDrogon> Toothpick, I think you're supposed to use some sort of system call these days to make sound - look in /dev/snd/* though.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> it used to be /dev/dsp but I think that was a long time ago...
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[21:52] <pksato> to sound out from phone jack: amixer cset numid=3 1
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[21:56] <viric> gordonDrogon: what are standard numbers for that?
[21:56] <viric> 700MHz one, 250MHz the other?
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[21:56] <viric> ok
[22:02] <TomWij> When I run `LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/vc/lib" ./hello_video.bin test.h264` in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video the video is blazing fast.
[22:03] <TomWij> When I open the same file "test.h264" in XBMC the video is extremely slow (multiple seconds per frame).
[22:03] <TomWij> Anyone has an idea what's going on?
[22:03] <TomWij> Also, file opens immediately with the former whereas it takes a while to load with XBMC.
[22:03] <TomWij> The only thing I noticed so far is XBMC taking near 100% CPU.
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[22:11] <magi> Hi folks, was the power 100mA the USB could deliver on the Ras Pi Rev B?
[22:13] <Encrypt> magi, I don't understand your question...
[22:14] <magi> How much power can The USB ports on the Ras Pi Rev B card deliver?
[22:14] <magi> 100mA, 200mA, 300mA?
[22:15] <Encrypt> Ah, ok... :)
[22:15] <_ds_> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EcqxHtJfqCo/UNYfPY2syUI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/WSPhChRh-08/s464/rpi%2Breset.jpg ??? yes, I had to cut the top of the plug slightly!
[22:16] <ScarletSwordfish> will my 5V, 1A charger work
[22:16] <magi> yes'
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> magi, there are no limiting fuses on the Rev 2 board. So it's as much as the board can supply.
[22:16] <pksato> magi: All rpi power is limited by F3 use, 750mA. rpi itselg need 300mA to 500mA.
[22:16] <Encrypt> magi, I saw the information somewhere on the web...
[22:16] <Encrypt> But I can't remember
[22:16] <ScarletSwordfish> according to my understanding of the infosheet it will, but i don't trust my understanding of electronics
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[22:17] <gordonDrogon> magi, er - forgot the main limiter - so as pksato says - it's what's left over from the ~700mA - probably no more than 300mA in total.
[22:17] <Encrypt> However, I saw a trick which allows yopu to get far more power through the USB ports
[22:17] <magi> gordonDrogon i have a WiFi USB NIC that need Tx: 230 mA and Tx: 230 mA
[22:18] <magi> ehrr Rx: 140 mA
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> marginal IMO, but you might get away with it.
[22:18] <Encrypt> By wiring the "power in" port to the USB ports
[22:18] <Grievre> What's the polyfuse on the Pi's USB port set to blow at?
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> 140mA ought to be OK.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> Grievre, on the Rev 1 boards it was about 140mA.
[22:18] <magi> Well.. i get really fishy performance from the antenna.
[22:19] <magi> pingtimes is 1000ms at most and lowest is 2-3ms
[22:19] <Grievre> wait what?
[22:19] <Grievre> I thought the board drew like, way more than that?
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[22:19] <Grievre> I mean the power port
[22:19] <Encrypt> Here : http://theiopage.blogspot.fr/2012/06/increasing-raspberry-pis-usb-host.html
[22:20] <magi> Encrypt isn't that Rev 1?
[22:20] <Encrypt> I think it would work the same for rev 2
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> jam tart time :)
[22:21] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Why ?
[22:22] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, I'm interested...
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[22:42] <SuperLag> do you guys run your Pi's headless, or with a GUI?
[22:42] <magi> cli
[22:43] <rymate1234> Depends
[22:43] <Encrypt> I don't use any graphical sessions... since it is a web server, pinter server and backup system :?
[22:43] <Encrypt> printer*
[22:43] <magi> A pinter server would be cool :)
[22:44] <Encrypt> magi, You can do it ;)
[22:44] <SuperLag> nice
[22:44] <SuperLag> I was thinking of putting X on there, so I could run IDLE from it. Nothing else more complicated than that.
[22:44] <Encrypt> Even more difficult when no driver is available for ARM :O
[22:44] <viric> can it be that lots of mmc activity blocks the usb? (wifi dongle)
[22:44] <Encrypt> Thanks Samsung ! :?
[22:45] <mrmoney2012> 2.1 MB/sec read speed off my just built raspberry nas ??? good / bad / ugly ?
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[22:46] <dr_willis> x desktop seems laggy here. my pi-xbmc box works well
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[22:48] <mrmoney2012> 1.91 MB/sec write speed
[22:48] <rymate1234> dr_willis: no hw accelerated x yet
[22:48] <viric_> mrmoney2012: ciphered?
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[22:48] <dr_willis> yep. sort of a killer..
[22:48] <mrmoney2012> nope - just samba share
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[22:49] <dr_willis> znc and upnp server wirk well
[22:49] <Encrypt> Do you know any media which would allow me to have an almost-infinite read/write life and not consuming a lot of power ?
[22:50] <Encrypt> It's for my website, actually on a USB key (doomed to die)
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[22:53] <SpeedEvil> Encrypt: ram
[22:53] <pksato> Encrypt: mram
[22:53] <Encrypt> Is it buyable ? :?
[22:53] <Heckles> Bit risky tho if there's a power cut
[22:53] <Heckles> ?
[22:53] <pksato> but, mram only fund in labs.
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> I don't think consumer mram mass storage is out
[22:53] <SpeedEvil> it's available as chips
[22:54] <ScarletSwordfish> poop, RPi-sd card builder isn't working :/
[22:54] <Kripton> Encrypt, use a USB-Hub, 4 USB flash drives and RADI5 them :P
[22:54] <Encrypt> If only it existed, I would have bought a RAPM stick on which I would have loaded my website at boot...
[22:54] <Encrypt> RAM*
[22:54] <Encrypt> But it doesnt...
[22:55] <pksato> have a PCI ram storage boards, but, never see one as USB bus.
[22:55] <Encrypt> However, IBM had the idea of a DRAM Box which would have been USB-plugable...
[22:55] <Encrypt> But it seems they abandonned the project... :(
[22:56] <Encrypt> Kripton, Well, at the end, the 4 USB sticks also die :?
[22:56] <ParkerR_> TAFB_work: ping
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[22:58] <Heckles> USB RAM box??? There's a nice little RasPi project for someone ;)
[22:58] <Encrypt> Heckles, Someone got the idea ?
[22:58] <Heckles> No I'm saying it's a nice idea for someone to do
[22:59] <Encrypt> Ok ;)
[22:59] <Heckles> I deffo don't have the skill for that I'm afraid
[22:59] <Heckles> :(
[22:59] <Heckles> Well not yet anyway :)
[22:59] <Encrypt> Neither do I...
[22:59] <Encrypt> Too much electronics...
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[23:01] <Encrypt> I'm going to bed !
[23:01] <Encrypt> Good night to people in the Greenwich meridian time zone ! :?
[23:01] <Encrypt> Bye !
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[23:26] <ScarletSwordfish> how will i know when the wheezy image is finished copying to the SD card?
[23:26] <ScarletSwordfish> (doing this in snow leopard)
[23:26] <ScarletSwordfish> (with disk utility and terminal)
[23:27] <yaMatt> dd?
[23:29] <ScarletSwordfish> yeah
[23:30] <ScarletSwordfish> i did the dd command
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[23:30] <ScarletSwordfish> and it asked me for my password
[23:30] <ScarletSwordfish> so i gave it that
[23:30] <ScarletSwordfish> i think
[23:30] <ScarletSwordfish> and now i have no idea what it's doing
[23:30] <tdy> well you'll get the prompt back when it's done
[23:30] <tdy> it'll take a while
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[23:30] <ScarletSwordfish> ko
[23:30] <_ds_> Since when did dd ask for passwords?
[23:31] <tdy> he probably used sudo
[23:31] <_ds_> I'd not expect to need root privileges for removable media (in the general case) these days.
[23:31] <ScarletSwordfish> i did
[23:32] <ScarletSwordfish> i just did what the tutorial said
[23:32] <frikinz> ScarletSwordfish: you can get a progress of dd. you need to have another terminal. then sudo killall -USR1 dd
[23:32] <ScarletSwordfish> i know little to nothing when it comes to command line use
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[23:33] <pksato> just wait to command line back.
[23:33] <pksato> command prompt.
[23:33] <Hopsy> Hey why doesnt ssh work without internet?
[23:33] <Hopsy> Everything did work, until I disconnect the internet
[23:34] <frikinz> "doesn't work" how?
[23:34] <tdy> it's a network protocol.. what are you trying to ssh to?
[23:34] <_ds_> You disconnected the internet?No wonder nothing's working! ???
[23:34] <Hopsy> Like, connection reffused
[23:34] <Grievre> <_ds_> I'd not expect to need root privileges for removable media (in the general case) these days.
[23:34] <Grievre> er
[23:34] <Grievre> ?
[23:35] <Grievre> Maybe for the /filesystem/
[23:35] <Grievre> but not the device itself
[23:35] <Hopsy> Ssh to 192.168.0.222
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[23:36] <Hopsy> It worked, untill I disconnected my mobile internet
[23:36] <_ds_> Just plugged in a USB flash drive???
[23:36] <_ds_> brw-rw---T 1 root floppy 8, 112 Dec 22 22:35 /dev/sdh
[23:36] <_ds_> And yes, ???groups??? lists ???floppy???.
[23:36] <_ds_> (this is on my desktop box)
[23:36] <tdy> but why would you expect it to work without internet.. are you still connected to the lan?
[23:37] <deper29> hey, i'm trying to learn a few things about the pi and linux. do I need to use the source on github for the kernel for the pi? or is it possible for me to port a vanilla kernel from kernel.org to the pi?
[23:37] <ScarletSwordfish> yay it's done :)
[23:37] <Hopsy> Tdy yess!
[23:37] <edt_> what do I add to sources.list to get the 'next' version (I'm an old hand with linux and know what unstable means).
[23:40] <edt_> I've looked for docs - just not in the right place... hence chat
[23:41] <UnaClocker> edt_: The debian distro on the Pi is custom compiled for it's oddball CPU, the next version hasn't been recompiled for the Pi yet.
[23:42] <edt_> though apt can compile too though its not used that way too often
[23:42] <ScarletSwordfish> goodness gracious that was the worst video signal i've ever seen
[23:42] <edt_> I am mainly looking for the latest kernel/firmware combo.
[23:43] <frikinz> edt_: its wheezy, there's nothing else. you can fetch newer pacakges from debian.org and build them though
[23:43] <UnaClocker> edt_: There's an rpi-update script that gets those.
[23:43] <deper29> or do I have to use the 3.2 official kernel instead of a vanilla 3.7?
[23:43] <edt_> where do I find the script?
[23:43] <UnaClocker> google
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[23:44] <frikinz> Isn't bcm2708 going to be in 3.8?
[23:45] <frikinz> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1411871/ hum yes
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[23:45] <tdy> really? i figured mainline support was a long ways off
[23:46] <Hopsy> sorry, I was on my mobile
[23:46] <Hopsy> uhmm, so I cant connect with ssh when I work local?
[23:46] <tdy> what steps did you use to "disconnect your mobile internet"
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[23:47] <Hopsy> I had made a bridge
[23:47] <Hopsy> so my computer and raspberry could get on the internet
[23:48] <Hopsy> after I had disconnected my mobile, the ssh stoped working
[23:49] <tdy> unfortunately all of that is completely vague and doesn't help identify the problem
[23:49] <Hopsy> ifconfig dont show any ip
[23:49] <tdy> "mobile internet" isn't even clear.. were you using a 3g adapter? what do you mean by mobile internet
[23:50] <pksato> Hopsy: a still connected SSH down?
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[23:51] <Orb> allo.
[23:51] <Heckles> Lo
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[23:52] <Hopsy> with mobile internet I mean, I shared internet from my mobile to my computer @ tdy
[23:52] <Hopsy> then I made a bridge
[23:53] <Hopsy> ifconfig showed this ip on the raspberrypi: 192.168.0.222 and I could connect
[23:53] <Hopsy> but when I stopped sharing internet
[23:53] <Hopsy> it stopped :')
[23:53] <Aranel> Torikun: got a minute? :)
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[23:55] <UnaClocker> Hopsy: when the mobile device stopped sharing, those IP #'s got released, because they had been assigned by the sharer.
[23:55] <Hopsy> hmm that make sense
[23:55] <UnaClocker> It was also the gateway, so the default route was through the gateway, which no longer existed on the network.
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[23:56] <Hopsy> and how do I fix this :p
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> right. enough cooking for one day.
[23:56] <UnaClocker> Set a static IP on your two devices (Pi and laptop, I assume)..
[23:56] <UnaClocker> Not sure how you deal with the gateway problem though.. Maybe it won't be an issue.
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[23:57] <Heckles> Shouldn't be so long as they can ping each other should it ?
[23:57] <Hopsy> and, should I set them both on a different ip? how it works?
[23:58] <UnaClocker> Yeah, if your hotspot comes up as 192.168.0.1, give the laptop .0.5, and the Pi .0.6...
[23:59] <Hopsy> okay lemme try
[23:59] <UnaClocker> Maybe the hardwired ethernet (which is what you're dealing with) should be the 192.168.1.x subnet, so the 192.168.0.x is free for the wifi hotspot..

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