#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-24

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[0:11] <gordonDrogon> john_f, just once Linux has loaded.
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[0:14] <who0> It's working with Fedora Remix < but not in raspbian :??
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[0:27] <ScarletSwordfish> i do not have the skills to turn an atari cartridge into an RPi case :(
[0:27] <ScarletSwordfish> i'll just print out a punnet instead
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[0:30] <Coburn> lol
[0:30] <Coburn> what about an NES!!
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[0:36] <ScarletSwordfish> i haven't got a spare one on hand
[0:36] <ScarletSwordfish> i do have a broken 2600
[0:36] <ScarletSwordfish> that'd be a bit much though i think
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[0:50] <gordonDrogon> powering down:
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> 23:50:04 up 1060 days, 16:33, 1 user, load average: 1.84, 0.39, 0.12
[0:50] * dipstick (~dipstick@unaffiliated/jms1989) Quit (Quit: Fuck it, I quit!)
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> it was a good old server that one.
[0:52] * _ds_ stands in respect of that uptime
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> oh that's nothing..
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> 23:53:30 up 1518 days, 2:59, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> that's still running.
[0:53] <Coburn> What server is it?
[0:53] <Coburn> make model
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> the one I've just powered down? It was a Dell.
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> not 100% of the actual model. twin zeon, midi tower. 4GB RAM, da
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> dual SATA drives...
[0:55] <Coburn> I've got a DELL PowerEdge 2150 I think
[0:55] <Coburn> SCSI drives
[0:55] <Coburn> Xeon 1.16Ghz
[0:55] <Coburn> Single, that is
[0:55] <Coburn> has a socket for another CPU
[0:55] <Coburn> Rack mount. I think the PSUs are bleh because they make a woooooo sound
[0:56] <who0> Coburn : uname -a ? (because 1518d)
[0:56] <Coburn> It's in my lab, unpowered.
[0:56] <Coburn> Poor thing. She's calling out to me to be powered up.
[0:57] <Coburn> Just don't have any reliable connection out at home
[0:57] <Coburn> else, I'd run my server at home
[0:59] * aaa801 stares at his 80Mbps home line
[0:59] <Coburn> I only have 3G.
[1:00] <aaa801> eek
[1:00] * ScarletSwordfish (~rob@oh-76-2-233-119.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) Quit (Quit: ...and they dangle food over me, and they dance around and go "Look, a bloke with a house and we get to play games with his mind.")
[1:00] <TAFB_eatin> 3g? yikes :( http://www.speedtest.net/result/2376827100.png
[1:01] <Coburn> Don't be a tease
[1:01] <Coburn> I'm out in the sticks
[1:01] <TAFB_eatin> rofl
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[1:01] <Posterdati> hi
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[1:01] <Posterdati> is it normal to have the raspberrypi cpu too hot?
[1:02] <TAFB_eatin> alright, nginx installed, php working, but virtual hosts, not so much. No matter what domain to go to on the server, it always goes to my virtual host, instead of the default page (for an undifined domain) :(
[1:03] <TAFB_eatin> Posterdati: Is it too hot to hold your finger on? What's it say on the chip.
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[1:03] <Posterdati> TAFB_eatin: I can barely leave the finger on it
[1:03] <TAFB_eatin> run this, report back number: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> Posterdati, that's fine. when it sizzles it's too hot.
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[1:03] <aaa801> 900000000 degrees
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[1:04] <TAFB_ssd> gordonDrogon is right. If you can barely keep your finger on it, that's perfect.
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[1:04] <Posterdati> ok
[1:05] <TAFB_ssd> wonder how hot the cpu will get in my little seagate box, lol.
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[1:06] <Posterdati> TAFB_eatin: temp=46.5'C
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[1:06] <Aranel> I like the way how Pi returns 504 Gateway Time-out when I add 2 torrents to Transmission at the same time
[1:07] <Aranel> Transmission simply consumes the CPU
[1:07] <TAFB_ssd> 46, not bad. when it gets up to 70 start to worry
[1:07] <Posterdati> TAFB_ssd: ok, tx
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[1:09] <Posterdati> is gpio supported by kernel?
[1:09] <Posterdati> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[1:13] <Posterdati> ok
[1:14] <Coburn> Aranel: rtorrent?
[1:14] <Aranel> Coburn: looks like I'm going to try that one
[1:15] <Aranel> I loved Tranmission web interface, too bad I have to let it go.
[1:15] <Coburn> the biggest flaw in rtorrent
[1:15] <Coburn> is the control system, you gotta look up the controls
[1:15] <Coburn> but the thing is
[1:15] <Coburn> if you can
[1:15] <Coburn> in transmission, don't auto allocate file space
[1:16] <Coburn> and also hashing files = cpu r**e
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[1:16] <sheldor> hi can the rpi power a usb hdd through the single usb port assuming my psu offers enough current?
[1:16] <sheldor> or will it burn?
[1:16] <plugwash> what revision of Pi?
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[1:16] <sheldor> i thought of getting a 5V 2A usb wall wart
[1:17] <Coburn> sheldor: no, use powered hub
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[1:17] <sheldor> plugwash: 512MB
[1:17] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: no chance
[1:17] <sheldor> Coburn: ah
[1:17] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: huh why not?
[1:17] <Coburn> sheldor: USB HDDs take up like 100ma
[1:17] <sheldor> powered hub, interesting
[1:17] <Coburn> wait
[1:17] <Coburn> 1000ma or 500ma
[1:17] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: if you solder some wires, use a good usb supply and 24 gauge MicroUSB cable it can: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[1:17] <Coburn> 200ma is taken for the LAN
[1:17] <plugwash> or if you connect your 5V 2A PSU to the GPIO header
[1:18] <sheldor> Coburn: yes hence why i said a 5V 2A usb wall wart
[1:18] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[1:18] <Aranel> Coburn: activated temporary speed limits, now It's no more killing the Pi
[1:18] <Aranel> but also not going over 200 kb/sec :/
[1:18] <Coburn> Aranel: yeah, the USB I/O can also kill pi
[1:18] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: interesting. so if i dont add the wires it will burn something? why?
[1:18] <Coburn> because the ethernet is over USB
[1:19] <Coburn> sheldor: no
[1:19] <Coburn> it won't burn
[1:19] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: nope, just make ish unstable
[1:19] <TAFB_ssd> won't power up hard drive
[1:19] <TAFB_ssd> will reboot pi
[1:19] <Aranel> well It looks like using Transmission on my sd card wasn't "genius"
[1:19] <TAFB_ssd> possibly corrupt SD card requiring a re-image
[1:19] <sheldor> powered hub seems like the easiest solution
[1:19] <Coburn> the usb hdd will either refuse to spin or derp around
[1:19] <Coburn> yeah
[1:19] <Coburn> just do that
[1:19] <TAFB_ssd> derp
[1:19] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[1:19] <sheldor> excellent :)
[1:19] <sheldor> thanks
[1:19] <Coburn> np
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[1:19] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker!
[1:19] <UnaClocker> Sup! :)
[1:20] <TAFB_ssd> my Seagate is online with nginx and php with vhosts working! http://tafy.yi.org
[1:20] <Coburn> Pale Moon can't find the server at tafy.yi.org.
[1:20] <Coburn> FAIL
[1:20] <TAFB_ssd> rofl
[1:20] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.yi.org
[1:20] <sheldor> lol
[1:21] <sheldor> yi.org, good to know
[1:21] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, nice short dynamic ip forwarded
[1:21] <UnaClocker> Sweet. If mine would run PHP, I'd do a similar page on mine??? http://www.neonsquirt.com :)
[1:21] <UnaClocker> My IP is static, luckily..
[1:21] <TAFB_ssd> will have to look on the logs here and see who first set that up for me and buy em a beer.
[1:22] <sheldor> UnaClocker: why doesnt yours run php?
[1:22] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker! Nice! My ISP won't do static ip for residential customers.
[1:22] <TAFB_ssd> or reverse dns :(
[1:22] <UnaClocker> I don't know. It just refuses to serve .php files.. And I don't see anything about it in the logs.
[1:22] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker: what os/web server program?
[1:23] <sheldor> i love the rpi
[1:23] <UnaClocker> I don't have reverse DNS, and I didn't ask for static IP, it just happens to be static..
[1:23] <UnaClocker> TAFB_ssd: Debian Wheezy, Lighttpd
[1:23] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker: mine used to be static for like 6mo at a time, now it auto refreshes every week :(
[1:23] <sheldor> Coburn: TAFB_ssd but if i just connect a usb hdd to my laptop it wont "refuse to spin or derp around" so why doenst it actually work on the rpi usb port without soldering wires?
[1:24] <sheldor> just out of interest
[1:24] <UnaClocker> I'd probably just move up to Comcast's commercial connection if they started rotating my IP too often.
[1:24] <Coburn> Not enough power, sheldor
[1:24] <Coburn> for usb hdds to be stable, you need around 500ma power current
[1:24] <sheldor> Coburn: how so? we are assuming a 5V 2A usb wall wart, remember
[1:24] <plugwash> UnaClocker, what web server are you using? and what exactly happens with php scripts?
[1:24] <UnaClocker> sheldor: Poor design decisions.
[1:24] <sheldor> 2A = 2000mA
[1:24] <Coburn> yeah
[1:24] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: tiny tiny wire traces power the usb ports, plus a poly fuse limits the current.
[1:24] <sheldor> UnaClocker: why?
[1:24] <Coburn> but that doesn't mean USB gets 2A
[1:25] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: oh that makes sense. but dont we have th same situation on every laptop/desktop motherboard?
[1:25] <Coburn> No
[1:25] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: it'd be like feeding your entire street with a single garden hose. Doesn't matter how big of pump you have, you ain't squeezin all the power through those tiny traces (and polyfuse)
[1:25] <sheldor> Coburn: then why on the rpi?
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[1:25] <Coburn> sheldor: uh... so kids don't blow things up?
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[1:25] <TAFB_ssd> rofl
[1:25] <TAFB_ssd> i call it a design flaw
[1:26] <UnaClocker> sheldor: He decided to "protect" the traces on the board with a polyfuse, a polyfuse works by heating up under load and increasing the resistance. So the voltage goes down as you draw power through it. More power, less voltage.
[1:26] <sheldor> Coburn: huh? how does that make sense. the tiny wires are the reason it could actually blow
[1:26] <Coburn> deal with it
[1:26] <TAFB_ssd> they shoulda ran MONSTER, unfused traces right to the USB ports.
[1:26] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: haha yes :)
[1:26] <sheldor> UnaClocker: ah thanks. who is "he"?
[1:26] <Coburn> eben
[1:26] <TAFB_ssd> I mean, the INPUT on the Pi is USB, so any protection, etc. is already there. Just put the power to er captian!
[1:26] <UnaClocker> Yeah, Eben, was having a brain fart and couldn't remember his name.
[1:26] <sheldor> thanks
[1:26] <Coburn> if you want to bitch, bitc at him
[1:27] <Coburn> I'll give you his number
[1:27] <sheldor> okay yes please
[1:27] <TAFB_ssd> who, the Pi designer? boy to I have a word or two for him.
[1:27] <Coburn> 1-800-EBEN-RAGE
[1:27] <UnaClocker> EBEN-RAG will work too.
[1:27] <TAFB_ssd> Where is SATA6? USB3? Dual HDMI? Quad core 1.7ghz cpu?
[1:27] <TAFB_ssd> ;)
[1:28] <TAFB_ssd> oh, and most of all, gigabit ethernet not shared with usb/cpu :(
[1:28] <UnaClocker> Yeah, a quad core 1.5+ GHz ARM would have been pretty epic.. Use laptop ram so it can be upgraded...
[1:28] <TAFB_ssd> ahhh sodimm socket, great idea :)
[1:29] <TAFB_ssd> does anyone know WHY the Pi has to boot from SD?
[1:29] <Coburn> 1.7Ghz ARM already done by ODROID
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[1:30] <Coburn> problem is, samsung are known to have no 2D acceleration support
[1:30] <TAFB_ssd> i mean, it should freakin search for bootload, SD Card, not found, checking USB1, not found, checking USB2, usb hdd boot :)
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[1:30] <UnaClocker> The SD is hardware, something an ARM can deal with.. USB is more software oriented, so you need to bring up the kernel first, to enable the USB stack..
[1:30] <TAFB_ssd> ahhhh
[1:30] <Coburn> TAFB_ssd: learn ASM and Flash the bootloader
[1:30] <Coburn> uBoot actually would work
[1:30] <Coburn> That's what the CuBox uses
[1:30] <Coburn> and it can talk to USB directly
[1:31] <TAFB_ssd> my friend knows asm, I ask him to code something for me, and he just looks at me funny. kinda like this: http://ecuflashking.com/Retards_motivational_poster.jpg
[1:31] <Coburn> lol
[1:31] <TAFB_ssd> Coburn: I used uBoot in my seagate thing :)
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[1:34] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: maybe the current limitation is a protection for the actual PSU because most usb PSUs come with lower current than rpi plus hdd would draw and they oscillate forever and eventually burn?
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[1:35] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: could be :)
[1:35] <plugwash> Also sooner or later someone will hook up a big PSU with no overcurrent protection
[1:35] <formax> Tabaliah, UnaClocker" I, for the love of <insert religious icon>, hope that you were trolling just now
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[1:35] <formax> TAFB_ssd: that is
[1:35] <TAFB_ssd> plugwash: I had a 30amp 5v supply running my Pi, unprotected back fed through GPIO 5v ;)
[1:36] <TAFB_ssd> I could load test my rear USB ports at 6.5amps before the USB cables started to melt :)
[1:37] <sheldor> fair point plugwash
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[1:38] <UnaClocker> TAFB_ssd: Nice, you actually did that load test on the Pi?
[1:39] <TAFB_ssd> Yeppers :) Wanted to see what the physical USB ports could feed, when wire bridged direct to input power. The cables melted before the ports did :)
[1:39] <UnaClocker> Awesome. :)
[1:39] <UnaClocker> What'd you use as a load?
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> it would be useful to check temperature rise on the PCB
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> but 5.5a is a useful figure
[1:40] <TAFB_ssd> I have a variable load multimeter :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw
[1:40] <advancednewbie> 2012-12-12 RaspberryPi on super crappy MicroUSB cable low voltage crash
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> 2 is unlikely to pose any issue
[1:40] <formax> TAFB_ssd: then why were you saying the tiny traces feeding the USB were a design flaw? also, why on earth would you ever draw so much power from USB ports as they were never intended to for that use?
[1:40] <plugwash> TAFB_ssd, ah the ports were wire bridged?
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> even if 5.5 is on the bare edge if burboun
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[1:40] <SpeedEvil> of burnout
[1:40] <plugwash> did you try 6.5A from the GPIO header to the sockets with no wire bridges?
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> oh
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> right, nvm
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> this is just the ports
[1:41] <TAFB_ssd> there was NO power going through the traces, wires bridged from dual GPIO power inputs (pin 2 and 4) and THREE ground inputs (pin 6, D17 and USB direct ground) :)
[1:42] <formax> and what was it you were trying to accomplish?
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[1:42] <formax> I just dont get it
[1:42] <TAFB_ssd> checking to see if I could run two 2.5" HDD's off the rear ports
[1:43] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: by "usb cables" you mean the tiny tiny wire traces or what?
[1:43] <sheldor> or normal usb cables? lol
[1:43] <TAFB_ssd> no, the actual cables
[1:43] <TAFB_ssd> between my meter and the usb port.
[1:43] <sheldor> they actually melted?
[1:43] <TAFB_ssd> yep, you could see bare wires sticking through the sides when I was done :)
[1:43] <sheldor> rofl
[1:43] <TAFB_ssd> didn't smell very nice, that cheap china rubber
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[1:45] <TAFB_ssd> alright, copying 21 gigs of websites to my Seagate box, here goes :)
[1:45] <formax> 1 2.5 HD needs around 5watts to spin up, or about 1A, for 2, double that, so that testing unitl faillure is pretty silly imo
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[1:45] <TAFB_ssd> formax: I got it to power two hard drives no problem, so I just wanted to see how much the ports could actually handle :)
[1:46] <formax> so you nearly fried the ports to test that
[1:46] <TAFB_ssd> i could solder on new ones ;)
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[2:41] <dr_willis> rebuild the pi. faster, stronger, The BionicPi!
[2:43] <pksato> ][
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[2:49] <UnaClocker> I wish Liz would stop spamming the twitter feed.
[2:49] <UnaClocker> Stick to useful stuff.
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[3:03] <TAFB_ssd> Oh BABY! Status page is up and (semi) working on the Seagate box :) http://tafb.yi.org/
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[3:12] <monkers> the yello component out can hook into any component in right? is there some trick to using it or turning it on?
[3:13] <TAFB_ssd> it's not component, it's composite.
[3:13] <monkers> oh its workin! i see it now :D
[3:13] <TAFB_ssd> it'll auto turn on if nothing is plugged into the hdmi jack and you don't have force_hotplug in your config.txt :)
[3:13] <monkers> here lemme port forward this :P
[3:13] <TAFB_ssd> monkers: did you see my (old) status page hosted on my (new) seagate box??!? :) http://tafb.yi.org/
[3:13] <TAFB_ssd> soooooooo fast
[3:14] <monkers> ooh wow
[3:14] <monkers> whats the difference
[3:14] <atouk> isn't this channel @raspberrypi, not #seagatebox?
[3:14] <TAFB_ssd> atouk :) lol
[3:14] <UnaClocker> ;)
[3:15] <TAFB_ssd> monkers: the differnce between the seagate and the Pi? Seagate has 1.2ghz vs 700 on Pi, SATA2 connection, Gigabit ethernet.
[3:16] <Tachyon`> the seagate has a 1.2GHz ARMv4 doesn't it
[3:16] <Tachyon`> compared to the ARMv6 on the pi
[3:16] <UnaClocker> I have a benchmark video comparing the Sheevaplug (same as the Seagate thing) and the Pi (before the FPU got enabled) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l4roQPGINw
[3:16] <advancednewbie> Raspberry Pi Review and comparison
[3:16] <TAFB_ssd> I think it's ArmV5 I saw when installing arch.
[3:16] <UnaClocker> Yup, older ARM core, but puts up a good fight.
[3:16] <Tachyon`> ah, was ust going from memory
[3:16] <monkers> ok TAFB_ssd
[3:16] <monkers> http://aaron9060.dyndns.org/Simple/home.htm?APL
[3:16] <TAFB_ssd> when I run getstats, Processor : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l)
[3:17] <monkers> thats my pi :D
[3:17] <TAFB_ssd> ewwww java :)
[3:17] <monkers> lemme know when yer watching and ill reload it
[3:17] <monkers> i know i know
[3:17] <TAFB_ssd> oh, fancy view!
[3:17] <TAFB_ssd> i'm watchin
[3:18] <TAFB_ssd> i dun see nuffin happenin
[3:18] <monkers> umm.. hrm
[3:18] <monkers> right
[3:18] <formax> the question is what will you do with it?
[3:18] <TAFB_ssd> formax: I'm moving all my cpu hogging sites off my Pi onto that, then I'll play with gpio on the pi
[3:19] <TAFB_ssd> monkers: is your Pi frozen at network card detection? check TP1-TP2 voltage for sure.
[3:19] <UnaClocker> I run a pretty busy website on mine, firewall, NAS, torrent box..
[3:19] <TAFB_ssd> nice
[3:19] <TAFB_ssd> torrents must murder it
[3:19] <formax> define busy website
[3:20] <formax> I run 3 cameras on mine serving live camerafeeds
[3:20] <UnaClocker> formax: Just busy enough that the access.log file doesn't usually come to a stop.
[3:20] <TAFB_ssd> my seagate box can hand out 687 pages per second, vs 116 on the Pi (non-php).
[3:20] <atouk> so the strategy is to move hosted sites from a piece of hardwre not designed to host sites, to a different peice of hardware not designed to host sites?
[3:20] <UnaClocker> Mine's all static, no video, no file serving..
[3:20] <TAFB_ssd> atouk: you got er.
[3:21] <TAFB_ssd> You know what they say, take inappropriate equipment to out of the way places! http://ecuflashking.com/adventure.jpg
[3:22] <UnaClocker> My Sheeva has been effectively slashdotted twice.. Once when my Arduino controlled dishwasher made the rounds on the arduino sites (hackaday, etc), and again when it made it to the front page of reddit.
[3:22] <UnaClocker> And it put up with both events just fine.
[3:22] <TAFB_ssd> nice!
[3:22] <TAFB_ssd> trying to figure out how to read cpu temp with Arch :)
[3:22] <UnaClocker> I did have quite a few complaints about the slowness of the site, but it didn't crash or anything.
[3:23] <formax> not crashing <> usable
[3:23] <TAFB_ssd> my Pi was serving up blank pages to people when it got under heavy load :( no errors in pancake, just totally blank pages :(
[3:23] <UnaClocker> It's certainly no mainframe.
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[3:24] <formax> I got linode for scalable webhosting and anything pointing towards the interwebs
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[3:27] <atouk> i think poeple forget excactly the target audience for the pi. an educational computer at a cheap price. not a high volume web host. just like the info boxes on the status page were meant to display status information on the pi, not some other piece of unrelated hardware.
[3:28] <TAFB_ssd> hehe yep :)
[3:28] <TAFB_ssd> gonna need some re-coding for sure
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[3:29] <formax> atouk: exactly, thats why I dont get people complaining about hardware specs, missing interfaces and the likes.
[3:30] <monkers> hey TAFB, i have it workin (for the moment). this is how my screen looks when the rpi boots halfway. http://aaron9060.dyndns.org
[3:30] <monkers> try in internet explorer, its the worst webcode ever.
[3:30] <formax> "ohno it doesnt have thunderbolt interface"
[3:31] <atouk> 35 dollars and instead of appreciating how much was done with that little board, they bitch about not being able to run 30k polugon 3d in real time...
[3:32] <TAFB_ssd> monkers: nice! Why is it sitting there though?
[3:32] <monkers> i duno, if i press return i get a # prompt. :P
[3:32] <monkers> here
[3:32] <Tachyon`> standalone? is hat failing to mount the root fs?
[3:32] <TAFB_ssd> serious? wacky! lol
[3:32] <Tachyon`> you might be just getting the initrd
[3:34] <plugwash> atouk, to be fair it's very hard to actually get a Pi as cheap as 35 dollars
[3:34] <plugwash> afaict the only way to do so is to live in a non-sales tax state in the US and wait for a free shipping promotion from newark or mcm (which I belive they do from time to time)
[3:34] <atouk> well + s&h
[3:35] <monkers> Tachyon` - looks like it, can i manually tell it to go to next step?
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[3:35] <monkers> im in single user mode
[3:35] <pksato> monkers: no login prompt?
[3:36] <monkers> nah, can you see this? http://aaron9060.dyndns.org
[3:36] <formax> atouk: too much people not getting the point, nor appreciating it. I recently saw a post of someone on the Gertboard along the lines 'lol I have 2 gertboards lying here for a couple of months but couldnt be bothered putting it together' I wanted to slap that person.
[3:36] * plugwash hasn't got round to assembling his gertboard yet
[3:37] <formax> are you also posting on the forum where people are asking for availibility?
[3:37] <plugwash> no
[3:37] <formax> ok, then you're not a dick
[3:38] <dr_willis> I was checking out local Radio shack :) they did have a decent selection of kits/projects. several Ardio (sp?) and some stamp kits.. not that i have a clue whata to do with any of those. :0 but i did pick up a little RC tank i can controll with my android phone :P
[3:38] <monkers> ok any last thoughts on the rpi before i light it on fire? -_-
[3:39] <dr_willis> Been looking at what may be a good gift for a 11th grad nephew - to spur his interest in techy stuff..
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[3:40] <UnaClocker> dr_willis: Back to Radio Shack, get him an Arduino Uno, and one of the kits of parts that go with it..
[3:40] <plugwash> you didn't add init=/bin/sh to the kernel command line to change a password or so and forget to remove it did you?
[3:40] <monkers> or an arduino leanardo.
[3:40] <atouk> hackers aren't what they used to be. todays breed want fancy interfaces all put together for them, and couldn't be bothered to learn resistor color codes
[3:40] <pksato> monkers: test with other OS, like RiscOS
[3:40] <ScarletSwordfish> what's a resistor
[3:41] <atouk> a girl that sayd no
[3:41] <dr_willis> Yep. his birthday is in a few months. :) was going to get a kit.. play with it.. then give it to him. ;P
[3:41] <bparker> lol
[3:41] <atouk> (says)
[3:41] <ScarletSwordfish> haha
[3:41] <TAFB_ssd> atouk! ROFL! :)
[3:41] <UnaClocker> Resistor color codes are kind of obsolete nowadays, with everything being SMT..
[3:42] <bparker> I'm kinda the opposite, I grew up in software land and that's my current job, but I'm actively learning the hardware/electronics side of things
[3:42] <dr_willis> Im not big into electronic kits really. when i was young i dident have the $$ or patience or time to learn. Now im old.. i got $$ and time.. but too shakey to do a lot of the stuff. ;P
[3:42] <atouk> smt killed the hobby
[3:42] <plugwash> what really gets me is the coding on tight tolerance SMT resistors
[3:42] <plugwash> anyone have any clue how to decode it?
[3:42] <bparker> having to refer to resistor code charts frequently heh
[3:42] <bparker> and now getting into learning fpga stuff
[3:43] <formax> who's prototyping with smd?
[3:43] <UnaClocker> define prototyping.. ;)
[3:43] <dr_willis> Heh. Im more into CNC milling and Lathes. and Wire-EDM stuff. :) since i am a machinerepair/machinist at work
[3:43] <UnaClocker> I've done a few proto boards with SMT..
[3:43] <atouk> bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly
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[3:43] <bparker> I got a relatively cheap dev kit with xilinx fpga but their software is unobtainably expensive, which I didn't find out until I (well, work) bought the thing
[3:43] <dr_willis> I know how much time and setup those $75 solid al. cases for the pis take to make.
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[3:44] <ScarletSwordfish> i could use a CNC machine right now
[3:44] <bparker> me too
[3:44] <formax> atouk: howmuch ohm is that? :)
[3:44] * plugwash knows a slightly "better" version of that mnmonic (in that it tells you which way round black and brown go) but probablly shouldn't say it here because it's somewhat racist and contains a swear word
[3:44] <dr_willis> anyone noticed/seen a detailed print of those pi cases? If i had one i bet i could get the machine shop to make me one. ;)
[3:45] <UnaClocker> Shame it isn't open source hardware, so you can download the cad files.
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[3:45] <ScarletSwordfish> i'm making a case out of an old Atari cartridge
[3:46] <ScarletSwordfish> with X-acto tools :DDDD
[3:46] <ScarletSwordfish> D:
[3:46] <dr_willis> Im just looking aat mine now.. i see what looks like 2 mounting holes. :) may make a prototype out of balsa wood
[3:46] <dr_willis> dont cut yourself
[3:46] <UnaClocker> I really wanted/still want this case: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1554724050/pi-flavours-raspberry-pi-case
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[3:46] <ScarletSwordfish> i'm surprised i haven't yet
[3:46] <atouk> pi case print? here, print this one. http://www.iammer.com/raspi/raspberryPiCase-Final.pdf
[3:46] <dr_willis> those little dremel moto tools are handy.
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[3:46] <plugwash> what I find really annoying are SMT capacitors, they aren't coded AT ALL
[3:46] <ScarletSwordfish> if this fails i'm just gonna print out a punnet case
[3:47] <dr_willis> I uded to build RC planes :) Hmm.. i could fit a pi in one of those for a neat plane case to hang on the wall.
[3:47] <ScarletSwordfish> hahaha
[3:47] <TAFB_ssd> new chart is up :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD_iozone_test.png
[3:48] <dr_willis> i belive i will get one of those deep shadow box/picture frames to mount the pi in. that way it can hang on the wall. I can see it and the cables will be easy to route.
[3:48] <UnaClocker> heh, wifi adapter, some good software using the GPIO, and you've got a wifi drone.. ;)
[3:48] <dr_willis> then if i get sick of looking at it.. i put a photo over it.
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[3:51] <ScarletSwordfish> the RPi is art in itself
[3:51] <ScarletSwordfish> a nice frame would suit it
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[3:52] <SpeedEvil> UnaClocker: range will be at the very best a tenth of 'open field' range.
[3:52] <UnaClocker> Mmm, bummer.
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[3:52] <SpeedEvil> bad antenna orientation means dropouts
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[3:56] <TAFB_ssd> ScarletSwordfish: Did you see my case? ;) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[3:57] <ikonia> very nice
[3:57] <TAFB_ssd> link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/110984616925
[3:57] <TAFB_ssd> the price is double the cost of the Pi ;)
[3:58] <ikonia> expensive
[3:58] <UnaClocker> TAFB_ssd: Cheaper price, better store to buy from: https://tindie.com/shops/cooltr5/raspberry-logo-raspberry-pi-case/
[3:58] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, it's machined out of a solid block of aircraft grade 6061 T6 aluminum, not cheap stuff :(
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[3:59] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker: not the same case, I don't believe that one cools your voltage regulator.
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[3:59] <UnaClocker> There are multiple people making the exact same case? Interesting.
[4:00] <TAFB_ssd> yep, my friend bought one from them, looked identical to mine except was missing a heatsink post inside!
[4:00] <bparker> TAFB_ssd: does that say 6 watts on the UPS?
[4:00] <UnaClocker> Are there lightpipes for the LED's?
[4:00] <TAFB_ssd> yep :)
[4:01] <TAFB_ssd> look how bright they are in my pic, they are nuts
[4:01] <atouk> cases are for people ashamed of their hardware. run naked!
[4:01] <TAFB_ssd> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-13-RaspberryPi_new_aluminum_case_heatsink.jpg
[4:01] <UnaClocker> Yeah, pretty cool. I swapped the red LED for a blue one on one of my Pi..
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[4:01] <TAFB_ssd> rofl
[4:04] <UnaClocker> https://twitter.com/i/#!/UnaClocker/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FOOVU5HS2 Blue LED...
[4:05] <TAFB_ssd> wow, that blue is... ummmm. a little bright ;)
[4:06] <bparker> why the fan?
[4:06] <TAFB_ssd> peeps like ish to run cool
[4:06] <UnaClocker> hehe, yeah, the blue ones usually are..
[4:06] <atouk> probobly to cool the blue led
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[4:06] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[4:06] <bparker> TAFB_ssd: is your pi actually using 6 watts? because that's like 1.2A at 5V...
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[4:06] <UnaClocker> The old firmware (that picture was taken in May) seemed to run the USB really really hot..
[4:07] <TAFB_ssd> bparker: That's the Pi plus 8 port gigabit switch plus ISP cablemodem/router.
[4:07] <bparker> oh
[4:07] <bparker> ok then :)
[4:07] <TAFB_ssd> ;)
[4:07] <TAFB_ssd> my new box draws 8 :( http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD.jpg
[4:08] <UnaClocker> Yeah, the Sheeva was rated 5watts, without a hard drive.. add a drive to it, and I could see it drawing 8 easily.
[4:08] <bparker> wow, why so high?
[4:08] <UnaClocker> Still far better than the old PC I was running as a server previously.
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[4:09] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker: you gotta see the server I'm replacing, dual 1200 watt supplies that don't support power management! :) lol.
[4:09] <UnaClocker> I imagine it's just an inneficient processor compared to nowadays.. That SheevaPlug is almost older than iPhones..
[4:09] <Tachyon`> why would they need to
[4:09] <bparker> TAFB_ssd: have you had good experience with that UPS? I had multiple of those and they would always overheat and make random noises
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[4:09] <Tachyon`> a PSU will supply only what is needed
[4:09] <pkh> hi all. I'm trying to hook up a set of MCP3428 (ADC in e/sl format) to my rpi. the problem I'm having is that I have no equipment to handle the e/sl pins so I'm resorting to very careful soldering of leads... does anyone know if there is any product around that can convert from E/SL (or E/ST) pins to a standard breadboard?
[4:09] <bparker> so of course the battery dies quickly
[4:09] <Tachyon`> just because it's 1200W doesn't mean it draws that all the time, heh
[4:09] <bparker> I switches to Smart-UPS and haven't had any issues with those
[4:09] <bparker> switched*
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[4:10] * _ds_ considers that the oldest ARM-based hw here is a little over 20 years old???
[4:10] <TAFB_ssd> bparker: Well, it's under no load whatsoever, so I'm not sure how well I've tested it ;) I've never heard it make a peep thought, and I unplugged it to test how long it would run the Pi and I just plugged it in a few days later cause I got tired of waiting for it to die :)
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[4:10] <formax> isnt that rather 1200wh watt hour? so if your server draws 400 watt it will run it for 30 minutes...
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> no
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> upss are rated peak
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> it may do 1200w for 5 min
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> or 120w for 90
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> or 12 for 600
[4:12] <Opinie> does anyone know how to? get mon0 mode to work no with a broadcom 4320 (050d:7051) chip? I think I may have managed to create a .fw file, which it'd be possible to use, but I can't figure out how though..
[4:12] <Opinie> *-?
[4:13] <Opinie> *to get it working
[4:13] <Opinie> I really should proof-read my messages before hitting enter ;P
[4:17] <formax> TAFB_ssd: if you're replacing a powerhungry server that has two 1200watt upsses with a hacked seagatebox doing stuff that is isnt made for: I imagine the data, performance not being very crucial
[4:18] <TAFB_ssd> formax: you got er
[4:20] <formax> TAFB_ssd: was just trying to make sense of it all
[4:20] <TAFB_ssd> i make no sense, I have brain damage from my car accident *warning, not for weak stomach!!* http://ecuflashking.com/accident/
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[4:24] <formax> yikes
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[4:26] <aaa801> You guys seen this :D http://maraspy.no-ip.org/welcome/index.php
[4:27] <TAFB_ssd> nice :)
[4:28] <TAFB_ssd> i wrote something on the wall :)
[4:28] <aaa801> incomming tard probability 100%
[4:31] <sheldor> hey does raspbian boot a sshd with a default login so i dont have to connect a keyboard?
[4:31] <TAFB_ssd> berryboot can boot with vnc active so you can install and configure no keyboard :)
[4:32] <sheldor> cool
[4:32] <sheldor> what is berryboot?
[4:32] <sheldor> also i prefer ssh
[4:32] <formax> aaa801: you got another comment
[4:32] <aaa801> its not my server
[4:32] <aaa801> some guy posted it on the forums lol
[4:32] <TAFB_ssd> ./google berryboot
[4:32] <formax> lol way to go aaa801
[4:33] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: so the answer to my initial question is no?
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> rofl
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> the answer is purple + peanut butter
[4:34] <sheldor> u see i dont want berryboot
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[4:34] <sheldor> i want a full raspbian
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[4:35] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[4:35] <TAFB_ssd> berry boot is full raspbian no?
[4:35] <SSilver2k2> happy holidays
[4:35] <TAFB_ssd> it installs whatever full OS you want ;)
[4:35] <_ds_> Ah yes. Commercialmas!
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[4:35] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: okay but i can do that alone
[4:35] <sheldor> i dont need berryboot
[4:35] <TAFB_ssd> without a keyboard? okies.
[4:35] <sheldor> my question is whether raspbian comes with sshd active out of the box
[4:35] <TAFB_ssd> the answer is no
[4:35] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: of course, i write to the sd card from my pc
[4:36] <sheldor> then put the sd card into my rpi
[4:36] <TAFB_ssd> fancy
[4:36] <sheldor> and hope it loads an sshd
[4:36] <sheldor> whats fancy about that? berryboot is fancy
[4:36] <SSilver2k2> so I'm updating my PiMAME distro, and I'm trying to add a custom boot screen. I'm using fbi, and it works, BUT, once the system loads up, it only goes to a black screen. i lose the console. anything in .profile runs. it seems like fbi isn't terminating properly
[4:36] <sheldor> i use dd
[4:36] <SSilver2k2> any ideas?
[4:36] <TAFB_ssd> naaa, my PC don't read linux ish
[4:36] <pkh> sheldor: why not edit the appropriate files under /etc that would start the server?
[4:36] <sheldor> pkh: oh i can access the filesystem usually?
[4:37] <sheldor> well sure, that sounds good :)
[4:37] <TAFB_ssd> are you using windows?
[4:37] <sheldor> pkh: still, do you know whether it is active out of the box?
[4:37] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: no
[4:37] <TAFB_ssd> well, there ya go
[4:37] <TAFB_ssd> :)
[4:37] <pkh> once you do the dd, you have the filesystems in place. just go ahead and change the settings to the way you want them
[4:37] <sheldor> so why do i need dd in the first place?
[4:37] <sheldor> if i can use file system level operations
[4:37] <TAFB_ssd> i'm going to try and find something that I can mount a linux .img in Windows. I can't reboot my windows box, I'm going for windows all time uptime record!
[4:38] <sheldor> dd is block level
[4:38] <sheldor> hehe TAFB_ssd
[4:38] <sheldor> what file system is raspbian, ext4?
[4:38] <pkh> my gues is that dd'ing ensures that the filesystems are exactly the way they shoudl be (i.e. permissions, special files, etc.)
[4:38] <_ds_> What ??? 50 days?
[4:38] <sheldor> yeah maybe pkh
[4:39] <TAFB_ssd> pkh: and built in SSH key in case the Pi people need to connect in remotely without you knowing ;)
[4:40] <pkh> ah, that's the reason to go with this type of OSS. a lot less likely -- if someone found that kind of backdoor, the entire product line would be dead in the water overnight (and/or another image would be producted by someone else...)
[4:40] <TAFB_ssd> it's there phk. load the factory image on your Pi, change the password, open port 22 and I'll connect in and show ya ;)
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[4:41] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: are you fucking kidding me?
[4:41] <sheldor> they put a backdoor in my pi?
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> nope :(
[4:41] <sheldor> did they really do that?
[4:42] <sheldor> if they did then they have a problem now
[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: because the OS image is pre-built, all of them have the same SSH key.
[4:42] <sheldor> lol
[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> google how to SSH in with just the key (no password) and try it on your pi :(
[4:42] <sheldor> yeah
[4:42] <sheldor> its not a backdoor though
[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> someone here can give you the commands to wipe thekey and regen a new one though.
[4:42] <sheldor> also you said sshd isnt active by default no?
[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> shiftplusone told me how to do it on mine before I put it on the web.
[4:43] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: ahhh, yes yes, forgot that step, on first screen must click "enable ssh" ;)
[4:43] <sheldor> ah nice
[4:43] <sheldor> hehe
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[4:43] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: still, they have no reason to put a key there in the first place
[4:43] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: I think the OS generates one automatically when they build it.
[4:44] <TAFB_ssd> they shoulda took it out and had it regen one on first boot though, you're right.
[4:44] <sheldor> no ssh does not do that
[4:44] <sheldor> also yes, it could be easily disabled if it did
[4:44] <sheldor> you dont need a key at all
[4:44] <sheldor> password is enough
[4:44] <sheldor> a key does not make any sense whatsoever on a pre-built
[4:45] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: didn't know it could work without a key :)
[4:45] <sheldor> because i doubt they publish the private key
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[4:45] <nickgaw> Hi, Why when I try to download any of the initrd images for the raspbian installer do I get just links to upload sites and not a link for downloading the cpio archive?
[4:45] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: ssh has two authentication options. password or key
[4:46] <sheldor> for every public key there is a private key
[4:46] <sheldor> and only if you know the private key you can log into a system where a public key is stored for ssh logins
[4:46] <sheldor> on a pre-built this doesnt make any sense at all
[4:46] <sheldor> neither if they published the private key (which i doubt) nor if they didnt (even less so)
[4:47] <sheldor> so it is pretty much a kind of backdoor
[4:47] <sheldor> not a real backdoor
[4:48] <sheldor> but kind of
[4:48] <sheldor> so why the fuck did they do this
[4:48] <sheldor> and worse, dont mention it in the install
[4:48] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: watch the language ;)
[4:50] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: language is the least problem
[4:50] <formax> because of all the grateful people sheldor
[4:50] <sheldor> something is fishy
[4:50] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[4:50] <Tachyon`> are you named after sheldon's WoW character?
[4:50] <TAFB_ssd> By default, the image comes with a SSH Key installed for Simon to access the system *only* if you configure your router and tell Simon what the address is. If you trust me (and your probably do since you're running my code) you can leave this on. Otherwise you can delete my key by running:
[4:50] <TAFB_ssd> rm .ssh/authorized_keys
[4:50] <sheldor> Tachyon`: I AM THE SWORD MASTER
[4:50] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[4:50] <nickgaw> what image is this?
[4:50] <Tachyon`> I thuogh that was Howard
[4:51] <Tachyon`> it's off over christmas too
[4:51] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[4:51] <TAFB_ssd> says Raspbian
[4:51] <Tachyon`> I assume you saw teh christmas ep with santa
[4:51] <sheldor> Tachyon`: only after i sold it
[4:51] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: that is a fix, but not a solution to the problem of them backdooring the nation of raspy
[4:51] <TAFB_ssd> who are Simon and Howard?
[4:52] <Tachyon`> you know Blizzard actually added the sword of azeroth to the game at one point
[4:52] <sheldor> haha they did?
[4:52] <sheldor> lol
[4:52] <nickgaw> my raspbian install had no such key preinstalled.
[4:52] <Tachyon`> yeah, I've got a pic somewhere of me dual wielding two of them (despite their two handed nature) from when I had a private server
[4:52] <TAFB_ssd> nickgaw: which image did you use? Wheezy?
[4:52] <TAFB_ssd> for sure it did
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[4:53] <nickgaw> yes that one.
[4:53] <Tachyon`> I'm very close to 90 atm actually
[4:53] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.games/wow.retail/WoWScrnShot_122412_000849.jpg
[4:53] <nickgaw> what image has this key and where in the image is it?
[4:53] <Tachyon`> that place looks friendly, I just know I'll have to fight my way through it at some point
[4:53] <sheldor> haha Tachyon`
[4:54] <formax> WoW is so 2004
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[4:54] <Tachyon`> that's mists of pandaria
[4:54] <Tachyon`> which was released only a few months ago
[4:54] <TAFB_ssd> Tachyon`: I was gonna say, where is that? lol. I haven't play wow for a while :)
[4:55] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.games/wow.retail/WoWScrnShot_092612_175548.jpg
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[4:55] <Tachyon`> that's the start area for pandas
[4:55] <Tachyon`> which oddly can choose alliance or scum when they reach level 10 rather than having to choose at level creation, htey're neutral until they pick a faction then
[4:56] <Tachyon`> character creation*
[4:56] <nickgaw> is there a fedora for arm installer like raspbian has?
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[4:57] <sheldor> i will contact all major security and linux news outlets now
[4:57] <sheldor> and inform them about the backdoor
[4:57] <sheldor> this will make good xmas news
[4:57] <Tachyon`> there's a basic version you can download on the website
[4:58] <nickgaw> are you talking about that fedora installation that has not been updated in a long time?
[4:59] <formax> sheldor: exaggerate much?
[4:59] <Tachyon`> oh, fedora, don't think that's available anymore
[4:59] <sheldor> formax: you think reporting a backdoor in raspberry pi is exaggerating?
[5:00] <Tachyon`> is that backdoor in raspbian?
[5:00] <nickgaw> I know about the raspbian installer but can't find any directions on rebuilding it or how to properly download the initrd and manage it once I have the cpio file.
[5:00] <sheldor> it is an exeggaration of ignorance that this isnt globally known yet
[5:00] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: I had someone check out the newest wheezy image (posted a few days ago) and wasn't able to find pre-built ssh keys.
[5:00] <sheldor> it is the epitome of corruption
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[5:00] <Tachyon`> I could swear it built the keys when you enabled sshd in raspi-config
[5:00] <TAFB_ssd> I'm currently installing the old image on my Pi to see if I can connect in.
[5:01] <Tachyon`> if it's using prebuilt ones that is a security risk, hrm
[5:01] <formax> i have never seen ssh keys present on a fresh image
[5:01] <TAFB_ssd> Tachyon`: My information is that it builds them, only if it doesn't have them.
[5:01] <Tachyon`> aye, but I'm sure I remember the usual pause while it did it
[5:01] <TAFB_ssd> Tachyon`: it looks like they ran SSH to do stuff before making the image, and just disabled it for the image.
[5:01] <plugwash> ssh host keys are not the same thing as ssh authorised keys
[5:01] <formax> where did sheldor get the image from?
[5:02] <formax> lol
[5:02] <sheldor> formax: i personally didnt, i just learned about it from TAFB_ssd
[5:02] <formax> sheldor: than what are you whining about?
[5:02] <TAFB_ssd> lol :)
[5:02] <sheldor> formax: are you seriously asking this? implying that what TAFB_ssd says is false?
[5:03] <TAFB_ssd> ok, I'm going to set my Pi up fresh, with the one version old Wheezy image, and give it a test :)
[5:03] <sheldor> thanks TAFB_ssd
[5:03] <TAFB_ssd> i have instructions on how to do it, if it works I'll detail the information.
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[5:03] <formax> sheldor: no fresh images have client pub keys present, if they do you have a preconfigured image
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[5:04] <sheldor> formax: you realize you writing these words isnt sufficient rebuttal?
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[5:04] <formax> sheldor: go troll on #wow
[5:04] <sheldor> formax: are you in on that scheme? your behavior is suspicious
[5:04] <nickgaw> has anyone managed to download the raspbian installation initramfs image and extract and rebuild it?
[5:05] <pksato> initramfs?
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[5:05] <nickgaw> or as the initramfs image is built into the kernel.img file can I extract it from there somehow?
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[5:26] <nickgaw> what forum would be the best one to ask about making a raspbian image the same as the normal one but just don't install X windows?
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[5:37] <sheldor> TAFB_hackin: did you find something?
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[5:37] <Torikun> yo
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[5:43] <Torikun> oi
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[5:53] <TAFB_ssd> ok. I give up, I suck at linux :(
[5:53] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: no backdoor?
[5:53] <sheldor> what did you try?
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[5:54] <Snuupy> TAFB_ssd: you can't do as poorly as I am lol
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[5:54] <TAFB_ssd> the instructions I have said to enable SSH on any Pi. copy the public and private keys out of /etc/ssh. Load them in putty, and connect to any other pi, no password required.
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[5:55] <TAFB_ssd> I couldn't even get it set up legit, so I couldn't use a password! After I generated the legit keys, the Pi wouldn't let me login over ssh anymore, always said bad password.
[5:55] <TAFB_ssd> so I dunno what I'm doin. If I can't make it work legit, sure as heck ain't gonna work hacked :) lol
[5:55] <TAFB_ssd> i gave my instructions to plugwash, he's gonna try it out.
[5:55] <sheldor> at least apparently the private key is also public
[5:55] <sheldor> that makes it less backdoor-ish
[5:58] <ScarletSwordfish> my ghetto atari cartridge case is kinda done i guess
[5:58] <ScarletSwordfish> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj21/Dobule-S/IMG_6204_zpseac6eca1.jpg
[5:58] <ScarletSwordfish> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj21/Dobule-S/IMG_6207_zpsa9f33fd5.jpg
[5:58] <TAFB_ssd> ohhh nice
[5:58] <TAFB_ssd> who's is that?
[5:58] <sheldor> cool ScarletSwordfish
[5:58] <ScarletSwordfish> i made it for my brother
[5:58] <sheldor> i like it
[5:58] <TAFB_ssd> freakin sweet
[5:58] <ScarletSwordfish> thanks
[5:59] <ScarletSwordfish> on second thought i should've used an E.T. cart since i have two of those :P
[6:00] <sheldor> pac-man is uberclassic
[6:00] <ScarletSwordfish> yeah
[6:00] <ScarletSwordfish> but the Atari version is pretty bad
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[6:01] <sheldor> lol
[6:01] <sheldor> is it safe putting the raspi in a cig box?
[6:01] <sheldor> or will it burn?
[6:02] <ScarletSwordfish> well don't put it in there WITH the cigars
[6:02] <TAFB_ssd> as long as you don't overclock it'll be fine
[6:02] <sheldor> lol yeah ScarletSwordfish
[6:03] <sheldor> nice TAFB_ssd
[6:03] <sheldor> i hope so
[6:03] <sheldor> what if i give it 100% cpu load 24/7?
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[6:04] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: cpu use doesn't increase heat much on it, if not overclocked
[6:05] <sheldor> why do you thnk so?
[6:07] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor? I don't think so, I know so :) I have full time Pi CPU temp live monitoring on my cell phone ;)
[6:07] <TAFB_ssd> I ran it for 100% load test overnight, was maybe 3 degrees hotter in the morning :)
[6:08] <sheldor> oh cool TAFB_ssd
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[6:08] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: how do you get the temp to yuor phone??
[6:09] <TAFB_ssd> from my autoupdating Pi status page: http://tafb.yi.org/
[6:09] <TAFB_ssd> it's kinda broke right now cause it's not running on the Pi, lol.
[6:09] <sheldor> ah nice
[6:09] <TAFB_ssd> if the temp ever reached 70 degrees it would send me a text message too.
[6:09] <TAFB_ssd> i tested it using a hair dryer :)
[6:09] <sheldor> you wrote that in php?
[6:10] <TAFB_ssd> atouk wrote most of it
[6:10] <sheldor> very cool
[6:10] <TAFB_ssd> yep. works sweet with wheezy on the Pi. Not so much on my Seagate box with Arch :)
[6:11] <sheldor> whats the most popular distro people use currently?
[6:11] <TAFB_ssd> wheezy I would say, or the xbmc one if peeps are making it a media center.
[6:11] <sheldor> or is there something noteworthy next to raspbian?
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[6:12] <sheldor> by wheezy you mean raspbian wheezy right?
[6:12] <TAFB_ssd> yep
[6:12] <sheldor> k
[6:12] <dr_willis> for desktop ussage raspbian seems the most popular. arch seems to be used by some people in here also
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[6:12] <sheldor> thanks dr_willis, what is the strength of arch?
[6:13] <dr_willis> if you know arch. :) and want to use it on your pi.
[6:13] <sheldor> kk
[6:13] <TAFB_ssd> arch seems crazy fast, not bloated up with junk.
[6:13] <dr_willis> Ive only ran raspian on my pi. then the various xbmc-whatever disrtos
[6:13] <TAFB_ssd> it's just bare bones, you load the ish in that you want
[6:13] <sheldor> whats the general strength of arch?
[6:13] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[6:13] <sheldor> ah
[6:14] <dr_willis> rasbian works for me.. for cli only. ;)
[6:15] <dr_willis> its laggy in X. but i bet arch would also be laggy in X.
[6:16] <dr_willis> little old pi - just dosent have the powar to work as a snappy desktop box. :) Yet.
[6:16] <sheldor> yea
[6:16] <TAFB_ssd> they're coming out with gpu support for x soon right?
[6:16] * dr_willis hopes so.
[6:16] <TAFB_ssd> nice. once it's not running 100% in cpu it should be almost usable :)
[6:17] <dr_willis> they did release the full specs a few weeks back dident they?
[6:17] <TAFB_ssd> not sure, haven't been following the "x accellerated" thread.
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[6:19] <sheldor> isnt x ages old? why is there no gpu support?
[6:19] <TAFB_ssd> cause this is a funky gpu i guess
[6:19] <sheldor> is the gpu so specific and does x need specific code modifications for every single gpu?
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[6:20] <TAFB_ssd> not all of them, but this one probably
[6:20] <TAFB_ssd> i know all the media player programs and stuff don't work with this gpu except one of them!
[6:20] <dr_willis> System On a Chip. :)
[6:21] <dr_willis> If you want to be uing more then the good old VGA driver for X. :) you want a driver for your chipset.
[6:21] <Tachyon`> X servers used to eb GPU specific (with generic SVGA/VGA/Framebuffer servers) on PCs but I'm not sure that's the case now
[6:22] <Tachyon`> I remember bootup tux was drinking a pint using the generic vga framebuffer
[6:22] <Tachyon`> wonder how cheap I can get an 800x480 display with touchscreen
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[6:23] <dr_willis> on my ubuntu box ->/lib/modules/3.5.0-19-generic/kernel/drivers/video$
[6:23] <dr_willis> quite a few video card drivers there. ;)
[6:24] <ReggieUK> 800x480 displays are dirt cheap
[6:24] <dr_willis> theres some automotive monitors that are reasonable. but the quality is not that great
[6:24] <dr_willis> all the ones ive seen advertised so far use the RCA port. Not hdmi
[6:24] <dr_willis> Not really noticed any with touchscreens.
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[6:26] <TAFB_ssd> ummm, there's a ton with super awesome touch screen, gimme one sec for link
[6:26] <dr_willis> a small one with touch screen and hdmi would be nifty.
[6:26] <TAFB_ssd> http://www.4dsystems.com.au/prod.php?id=155
[6:26] <dr_willis> if its affordable
[6:26] <TAFB_ssd> seen that one on a pi, quality is mind blowing :)
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> they sell a kit, plug and play for the Pi
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> search them on youtube for demos
[6:27] <dr_willis> i want a Pi in a Case about like the WiiU controller. :)
[6:28] <dr_willis> with a big battery pack.
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> if you want a super nice battery pack, lemme know and I'll get you a link
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> uses super efficient buck voltage regulators, with good batteries it runs your Pi forever :)
[6:29] <sheldor> nifty little display TAFB_ssd
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[6:29] <dr_willis> I got several usb packs for my phone. ;) but i really dont need a portable pi. Unless i mod it into my Lunchbox.. :0
[6:29] <TAFB_ssd> yep, check out their youtube vids! They made a Pi be a fuel injection controller for a car, touch screen control.
[6:29] <dr_willis> Hmm.. that would have potential. ;)
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[6:30] <ScarletSwordfish> even better dr_willis, a Game Gear :D
[6:30] <sheldor> you know what? ten years from now the power of a raspi or a current high end desktop will be integrated in a paperthin OLED display
[6:30] <dr_willis> Fusion Batteries.
[6:30] <dr_willis> and PipBoy9000's
[6:30] <dr_willis> I used to have a GameGear..
[6:30] <ScarletSwordfish> i have one right next to me :D
[6:30] <dr_willis> I dont even rember what i did with it..
[6:31] <sheldor> computers in the future will be like papers
[6:31] <sheldor> everybody has tons of them
[6:31] <sheldor> and they are dirtcheap
[6:31] <sheldor> and brilliant displays
[6:31] <dr_willis> Still on the lookout for a E-Ink HDMI monitor.
[6:31] <ScarletSwordfish> computers in the future will be IN OUR HEADS!
[6:31] <sheldor> hehe
[6:31] <sheldor> ScarletSwordfish: oh true
[6:31] <sheldor> even better
[6:31] <sheldor> or worse
[6:31] <sheldor> O.o
[6:32] <sheldor> they will about us and our big machines
[6:32] <ScarletSwordfish> the further away we get from physical hardware and media the more nostalgic i get for it
[6:33] <sheldor> like we laugh about old computers the power of not even a raspi but the size of a room
[6:33] <sheldor> they will laugh about us*
[6:34] <dr_willis> they will progam you....
[6:34] <dr_willis> ;)
[6:35] <sheldor> it is true
[6:35] <sheldor> there will be brain trojans and viruses
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[6:35] <ScarletSwordfish> it's true
[6:35] <ScarletSwordfish> i've watched ghost in the shell :D
[6:36] <sheldor> large parts of our brains are already outsourced to the pc
[6:36] <Tachyon`> bah, I can't tell if this panel is really 800x480 or someone is being creative with the description on ebay
[6:36] <Tachyon`> and there's no model numbers or anything
[6:36] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone else using raspbmc and have the MAC showing as 00:00:00:00:00?
[6:36] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290804759940
[6:36] <Tachyon`> don't suppose anyone has tried one of these
[6:37] <dr_willis> night all
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[6:38] <sheldor> night
[6:38] <Tachyon`> this one that claims 640x480 is also very cheap: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-3-5-TFT-LCD-Color-Screen-Car-Rearview-Monitor-DVD-VCR-/150715003190?_trksid=p2047675.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29%26meid%3D4374826395341152481%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1013%26rk%3D3%26sd%3D290804759940%26
[6:39] <sheldor> wow thats cheap
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[6:39] <cyclick> Tachyon`, didnt you want touch?
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[6:40] <Tachyon`> well, I'd like touch, I can go without it if it'll make a significant difference in price which it seems it will
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[6:40] <Tachyon`> I've not designed the interface yet, lol
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[6:41] <Tachyon`> but at that price I think it'll be directional buttons, back and enter, heh, given ones with touchscreen seem to cost several times as much for unknown reasons
[6:41] <cyclick> probably could find an old cellphone with this resolution and touch screen
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[6:43] <ParkerR_> :/ My Pi is refusing to boot the 16gb class 10 again. I checked both the fat32 and the ext3 partition on my main linux machine. Both checked out fine and were ok. Can read and write to the partitions on the main machine. The Pi just sits there with a solid Red for power and a solid Green. The Green doesn't flash at all
[6:43] <sheldor> ParkerR_: why do you have both a fat32 and an ext3?
[6:44] <TAFB_ssd> fat32 is boot
[6:44] <shiftplusone> because that's how it works
[6:44] <cyclick> isnt class 10 overkill for the pi?
[6:44] <TAFB_ssd> cyclick: lol, you don't even wanna know what I run in mine ;)
[6:44] <sheldor> oh sorry
[6:44] <xrosnight> ParkerR_: why FAT32??
[6:44] <ParkerR_> Because boot partition...
[6:45] <sheldor> cyclick: no why would it be? ethernet is 12.5 MB/s and the pi can do it
[6:45] <ParkerR_> That's how it shows up in WIndows
[6:45] <sheldor> well 100Mbit/s ethernet = 12.5 MB/s
[6:45] <xrosnight> ParkerR_: if you use grub, you could use ext2, that's safe
[6:45] <sheldor> and class 10 means 10 MB/s guaranteed
[6:45] <xrosnight> TAFB_ssd: what's running on yours :D
[6:45] <ParkerR_> It worked fine. Just stopped for some reason
[6:46] <Tachyon`> it's not overkill, it'll perform significantly better with higher class simply due to the increased speed when manipulating small files
[6:46] <TAFB_ssd> 120GB Sandisk Exreme SSD ;)
[6:46] <Tachyon`> unless it's kingston in which case it'll suck for small files whatever it is
[6:46] <sheldor> haha no shit TAFB_ssd?
[6:46] <TAFB_ssd> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[6:46] <TAFB_ssd> that ain't no optical drive
[6:47] <Tachyon`> it is, it's one of the portable laptop style ones?
[6:47] <sheldor> lol nice TAFB_ssd
[6:47] <TAFB_ssd> it's actually designed to go inside your laptop, to add SSD to your laptop, by replacing your optical drive.
[6:47] <shiftplusone> sheldor, you've already been warned about the language. =/
[6:47] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: you just use an SD card for the fat32 boot partition? or only for the bootloader?
[6:47] <Tachyon`> mine is a touch larger as I had 3 of the small ones and they failed
[6:47] <Tachyon`> eh? but it says DVD etc. on the front
[6:48] <TAFB_ssd> but they give you that case, so you can re-use your optical drive external as USB, so I just put the SSD inside it = SSD to USB :)
[6:48] <Tachyon`> unless that's jus there so there's not a gap
[6:48] <sheldor> shiftplusone: did i violate any language requirements recently?
[6:48] <shiftplusone> yes
[6:48] <sheldor> oh
[6:48] <sheldor> that
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[6:48] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: yep, just small 128MB class 1 sd card for boot files.
[6:49] <sheldor> nice
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> here is a very high end SD card vs. the SSD in my Pi: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png
[6:49] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: how do you power your pi and ssd? powered hub?
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> nope, hotwired Pi baby!
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[6:49] <sheldor> ?
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> I can run TWO external 2.5" hdd's from my pi
[6:49] <Tachyon`> lol, that fuse was a really bad idea
[6:49] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: you drive them *through* your pi?
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> yep
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/340/how-much-power-can-be-provided-through-usb
[6:49] <sheldor> did you bridge the fuse?
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> http://i.stack.imgur.com/eU2tt.jpg
[6:49] * Tachyon` runs a single 1.8" HDD, wifi/bt/keybaord dongles and a usb2 hub using a samsung 2A phone supply
[6:50] <Tachyon`> (after linking out the polyfuse)
[6:50] <sheldor> oh makes sense TAFB_ssd
[6:50] <TAFB_ssd> bridged fuse PLUS direct power jumper wires from microUSB jack.
[6:50] <TAFB_ssd> I can pull 3.5 amps out of the rear USB ports (combined) :)
[6:50] <sheldor> interesting. i forgot that 1.8" exists, even better than 2.5"
[6:50] <Tachyon`> it's about the size of the pi in its case
[6:50] <TAFB_ssd> nice
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[6:51] <Tachyon`> you can't really see here because it'd ducktaped to the case with a hub attached on top (I will be making a custom case, this is temporary)
[6:51] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepicloseup.jpg
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[6:51] <Tachyon`> but you can just see the end of the drive at the left and the end of the 1.8"->USB board (led etc.)on the right
[6:52] <sheldor> oh nice it is tiny Tachyon`
[6:52] <sheldor> very thin
[6:52] <sheldor> perfect
[6:52] <Tachyon`> the USB hub power and Micro USB Pi power are wired together from the same 2A PSU
[6:52] <Tachyon`> just thought it'd tempt fate less if it was connected in both places,l ol
[6:52] <Swordfish2> oh man i am on the rpi right now this is awesome
[6:53] <steve_rox> i see ppl are going nuts over the mc alpha leak
[6:53] <Tachyon`> but yeah, it's a perfect size for the pi, theyr'e available fairly cheap up to 80GB, I use the toshiba ones (mostly because this one was toshiba when it fell out of an old ipod)
[6:53] <steve_rox> seems to run real well
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[6:55] <Swordfish2> :D
[6:56] <Swordfish2> i almost hate to give this to my brother
[6:56] <Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toshiba-MK8009GAH-Internal-IDE-ATA-100-80GB-HDD-Hard-Drive-1-8-4200RPM-Laptop-/130815289632?pt=US_Internal_Hard_Disk_Drives&hash=item1e7532e920
[6:56] <Swordfish2> but i think he will have more fun with it than i
[6:56] <Tachyon`> that's one of the 80s, may seem expensive for the size but you're not going to need more than taht
[6:57] <Tachyon`> they're available as 20/30/40/60/80 afaik
[6:58] <sheldor> is running a raspbian from a SD stupid because it wears out or why are you guys all using an hdd/ssd/whatever instead?
[6:58] <sheldor> will it fail so fast?
[6:58] <Tachyon`> well, it shouldn't
[6:58] <Tachyon`> but they seem prone to corruption for no obviopus reason
[6:58] <Tachyon`> not to mention beign slow in certain situations
[6:59] <sheldor> Tachyon`: well they are known to wear out, the maximum write cycles are very limited
[6:59] <Tachyon`> they're not very limited these days
[6:59] <sheldor> thats what you mean by "for no obvious reason"?
[6:59] <sheldor> well they still are
[6:59] <Tachyon`> 500,000+ cycles per sector
[6:59] <sheldor> 100,000 write cycles is max
[6:59] <sheldor> for average cards
[6:59] <sheldor> even decent ones
[6:59] <Tachyon`> even if that were true, it's better than the bad old days of flash chips with 500 cycles, lol
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[7:00] <sheldor> and thats not much if your operating system is constantly doing some logging or something
[7:00] <sheldor> sure
[7:00] <Tachyon`> but no, not that, I don't know what's causing it
[7:00] <Tachyon`> well, they wear level too
[7:00] <sheldor> well i suspect this is causing it
[7:00] <Tachyon`> so it should be hard to write to the same sector that many times
[7:00] <Tachyon`> it's not
[7:00] <sheldor> yeah they wear level but still
[7:00] <Tachyon`> it's unrelated to that
[7:00] <Tachyon`> as it has occured with 4 different cards, 3 of which were brand new
[7:00] <sheldor> if your os is doing some constant writing then it is corrupt pretty fast
[7:01] <Tachyon`> it's not sector failure
[7:01] <Tachyon`> I'd say the corruption is happening somwhere between the kernel and the card, be it due to clock speed or flakey sd support I don't know
[7:01] <Tachyon`> I do know that RISC OS seems unaffected by the issue
[7:01] <Tachyon`> only linux distributions are affected
[7:01] <Tachyon`> which makes me think software
[7:02] <sheldor> Tachyon`: by corrupt do you mean gone for good?
[7:02] <sheldor> or just filesystem problems that can be fixed by formatting
[7:02] <Tachyon`> the cards themselves are not the fault
[7:02] <Tachyon`> yes, fs problems
[7:02] <Tachyon`> hence why I said corruption
[7:02] <sheldor> oh, okay
[7:03] <Tachyon`> at one point I thought it was overclocking but it clearly isn't
[7:03] <Tachyon`> as I ran for some time at standard speeds with it making no bloody difference
[7:03] <Tachyon`> and it seems to do it silently
[7:03] <sheldor> weird
[7:03] <Tachyon`> at one point it failed on a running system that had never been shutdown or rebooted since it was flashed and setup
[7:04] <Tachyon`> I have a pic of that somewhere, lol
[7:04] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/files.pi/piwtf.jpg
[7:04] <sheldor> haha
[7:04] <sheldor> oh segfault
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[7:05] <Tachyon`> yeah but as you can see, it failed when I was doing nothing more than watching a video!
[7:06] <xrosnight> Tachyon`: you plugged your raspberry pI into a TV ?
[7:06] <Tachyon`> well, yes?
[7:06] <xrosnight> sort of.
[7:06] <xrosnight> Do you use DVI?
[7:06] <xrosnight> or HDMI?
[7:06] <Tachyon`> HDMI on that althoguh DVI is the same thing more or less
[7:07] <Tachyon`> perhaps you meant HDMI or Composite but it's HDMI
[7:07] <sheldor> oh omxplayer looks nice. it is a command line player that only loads a video in X without loading an entire desktop environment and returns to the cli after it has finished?
[7:07] <Tachyon`> these ??12 640x480 displays I'm eyeing are composite but givenhow small they are it shouldn't really matter
[7:07] <Tachyon`> it doesn't need X
[7:07] <Tachyon`> it's the hardware accelerated player
[7:08] <sheldor> does everything non-cli need X?
[7:08] <sheldor> X is the graphics layer
[7:08] <Tachyon`> well, everything for X needs X
[7:08] <Tachyon`> SDL stuff generally doesn't
[7:08] <Tachyon`> and some stuff can use the framebuffer directly
[7:08] <Tachyon`> there used to be svgalib but I expect taht won't work as it's not pc graphics
[7:08] <sheldor> oh nice
[7:09] <Tachyon`> FUSE works from the console
[7:09] <Tachyon`> as did gngeo after I built it (at 60fps no less, althuogh that did involve a slight overclock due to it not being accelerated)
[7:09] <sheldor> whats FUSE
[7:09] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.new/thepineogeo.jpg
[7:09] <sheldor> Filesystem in Userspace?
[7:09] <Tachyon`> spectrum emulator
[7:09] <Tachyon`> but you're probably american so you won't know what it is
[7:09] <sheldor> ah
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[7:10] <Tachyon`> it was a popular computer here in the early to late 1980s, Z80 based
[7:10] <Tachyon`> main competitor to the C64
[7:10] <Tachyon`> (C64 was better but spectrum was less than half the price)
[7:10] <sheldor> lol never heard spectrum before
[7:10] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.old/specplus3enew.jpg <- my somewhat expanded spectrum
[7:10] <ScarletSwordfish> that's the one with the rainbow stripe, right?
[7:10] <Tachyon`> aye
[7:11] <sheldor> i need to get an n64 emulator, is there one?
[7:11] <ScarletSwordfish> niiiiice
[7:11] <Tachyon`> N64 is pushing it on the pi
[7:11] <Tachyon`> but it might be doable, it's not been done yet afaik and would probably require significant optimisations
[7:11] <xrosnight> i am going to pick my rasp berry pi. the postman calls me ;D
[7:11] <xrosnight> wish me lluck
[7:11] <ScarletSwordfish> here's AN n64 emulator
[7:12] <ScarletSwordfish> http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20081101194505716/Mupen64Plus.html
[7:12] <sheldor> oh
[7:12] <ScarletSwordfish> no idea if it could work at all
[7:13] <sheldor> is there an SNES emulator fast enough?
[7:13] <UnaClocker> Definitely.
[7:13] <ScarletSwordfish> i've been following this with great interest: http://blog.sheasilverman.com/raspberry-pi-emulation/
[7:14] <sheldor> oh watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo5wRLz2_R0
[7:14] <sheldor> hahahah
[7:14] <UnaClocker> sheldor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM6G4psKsZ0&feature=youtu.be
[7:14] <advancednewbie> Raspberry Pi SNES
[7:15] <ScarletSwordfish> nice
[7:15] <sheldor> love it
[7:15] <ScarletSwordfish> i'm rubbish at super mario
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[7:17] <ScarletSwordfish> sonic, on the other hand
[7:17] <ScarletSwordfish> i also suck at.
[7:17] <Tachyon`> oh nice
[7:17] <Tachyon`> wasn't aware anyone was working on emulators
[7:17] <sheldor> UnaClocker: do yuou know what software this is?
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[7:18] <UnaClocker> Nope, not sure.
[7:18] <sheldor> it contains like all games that ever existed O.o
[7:18] <ScarletSwordfish> they're listening to The Hazards of Love in the background :D
[7:18] <UnaClocker> Well, that's just a rom collection downloaded from a site found by google search. ;)
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[7:20] <ScarletSwordfish> whoever they are they have great musical taste
[7:22] <UnaClocker> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/15axgn/raspberry_pi_super_nintendo_video_in_the_comments/ There's the original thread for that, explains what emulator he's using and such..
[7:25] <sheldor> thanks!
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[7:26] <UnaClocker> I'd love to get an old arcade machine cabinet and retrofit a modern LCD and a Raspberry Pi into it.. :)
[7:26] <ScarletSwordfish> that guy's got a video of his rpi running MAME and playstation too
[7:27] <UnaClocker> Nice.. Wouldn't have thought the Pi could do PSx..
[7:28] <ScarletSwordfish> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GiBUeawqGz0#t=412s
[7:28] <advancednewbie> Raspberry Pi multi-emulator (WIP)
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[7:33] <sheldor> whats the music genre called in the psx video?
[7:34] <TAFB_ssd> i think this is a cool tune, recorded in hd :) http://ecuflashking.com/music/Jack%20Johnson%20-%20Sleep%20Through%20The%20Static/10%20-%20Go%20On.flac
[7:35] <xrosnight> when you are using dd to copy image into the SD card, how do you set "byte" ??
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[7:36] <xrosnight> i mean bs
[7:37] <UnaClocker> bs=1M
[7:38] <xrosnight> how about bs=4M
[7:39] <xrosnight> can modern processors fit that?
[7:40] <Swordfish2> sheldor, it's called 'techno'
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[7:47] <ScarletSwordfish> that was a nice song, TAFB_ssd
[7:47] <Tachyon`> don't just use arbitrarily large block sizes, you might miss the very end, 65536 is what I generally use
[7:47] <TAFB_ssd> thanks :) i listen to it often, such good quality
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[7:47] <Macer> hello
[7:47] <Macer> have 2 more on the way :)
[7:48] <Macer> newark finally shipped them.. awesome 512MB ones heh
[7:48] <sheldor> Swordfish2: isnt it something more specific?
[7:48] <UnaClocker> Can't wait to get my Lapdock on Tuesday. :)
[7:48] <ScarletSwordfish> i don't know techno genres that well
[7:48] <Macer> has anybody here used a pi as a "pc" ?
[7:49] <Macer> i was wondering what desktop raspbian was running
[7:49] <Macer> since all i ever used my first one for was xbmc heh
[7:49] <UnaClocker> Macer: I do most of the time.
[7:49] <Macer> UnaClocker: what wm does it run?
[7:49] <UnaClocker> It uses LXDE I believe.. It's a Windows style interface.
[7:49] <Macer> e17? :D
[7:49] <Macer> oh :-/ can you change it?
[7:49] <UnaClocker> Nah, enlightenment is way too heavy for it (I tried).
[7:49] <Macer> wow really?
[7:49] <ScarletSwordfish> sheldor: i was being semi-sarcastic :P
[7:50] <Macer> enlightenment is "lightweight" heh
[7:50] <Macer> so i guess gnome or kde is way out of the question?
[7:50] <Macer> :)
[7:50] <Macer> even with its awesome gles support?
[7:50] <UnaClocker> heh, there's a QT distro out there.. That's KDE.. It's aweful, but it exists..
[7:50] <Tachyon`> I've used enlightenmento n the pi, it ran very well indeed
[7:51] <Tachyon`> not sure why you'd think it was too heavy
[7:51] <Macer> hm
[7:51] <Macer> active?
[7:51] <Macer> active was supposed to be kde's "touch" alternative
[7:54] <sheldor> ScarletSwordfish: im not good at sarcasm
[7:54] <sheldor> ScarletSwordfish: i dont get it
[7:56] <ScarletSwordfish> yes, it was poorly communicated over an inappropriate medium :P
[7:58] <shiftplusone> "Inability To Spot Deception, Irony, Lies, Or Sarcasm Might Be Initial Sign Of Dementia" http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/222641.php D=
[7:59] <ScarletSwordfish> sarcasm generally translates very poorly over the internet
[8:00] <sheldor> shiftplusone: was that sarcasm?
[8:00] <shiftplusone> ScarletSwordfish, Which only confirms the theory. Have you seen the comments people leave?
[8:01] <ScarletSwordfish> where?
[8:03] <shiftplusone> ScarletSwordfish, just in general on the internet. I am presenting the theory that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet, not because of the media itself, but maybe there's a correlation between internet use and dementia. =p
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[8:04] <ScarletSwordfish> oh i see
[8:05] <ScarletSwordfish> I'M NOT DEMENTED YARBLARBL
[8:05] <Tachyon`> hrm, so maggie was demented in the 1980s, thought so
[8:07] <shiftplusone> maggie?
[8:07] <Tachyon`> thatcher (milk snatcher)
[8:07] <shiftplusone> ah
[8:07] <ScarletSwordfish> hahaha
[8:09] <Tachyon`> she took away free milk for schoolkids, she also sold off large chunks of our industry and ran other parts into the ground, not to mention being responsible for all the civil liberty busting actions againt people she didn't like (google "Battle of the beanfield" for one notorious example)
[8:09] <Tachyon`> oh, and she also castrated the unions so employment rights are nothing like what they were, in fact the only improvement since has been the minimum wage
[8:09] <Tachyon`> and the other party brought that in
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[8:22] <ScarletSwordfish> i should stop playing with the rpi tonight and get to bed
[8:22] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[8:22] <TAFB_ssd> i'm stayin up late convertin my status page over to Seagate :) http://tafb.yi.org/
[8:23] <ScarletSwordfish> i need to go to radio shack tomorrow and get a new sd card
[8:23] <ScarletSwordfish> and maybe some other accessories
[8:23] <TAFB_ssd> nice.
[8:24] <TAFB_ssd> make sure you check the compatibility list
[8:24] <TAFB_ssd> so you pick out a good
[8:24] <TAFB_ssd> one
[8:24] <ScarletSwordfish> there's a card compatibility list?
[8:24] <TAFB_ssd> this one works really sweet, if they carry it: http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Memory-PEF32GSHC10233-Series-Class/dp/B007R9NJ6E
[8:24] <TAFB_ssd> yep, one sec I'll link it up.
[8:25] <ScarletSwordfish> i was thinking a micro one so my brother has an easier time copying data from his phone
[8:25] <ScarletSwordfish> OH THAT'S what i was going to do
[8:25] <ScarletSwordfish> see if i can mount my phone as a drive
[8:25] <TAFB_ssd> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
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[8:27] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, MicroSD are nice, especially if your get this so they don't stick out!! https://www.adafruit.com/products/966
[8:27] <ScarletSwordfish> ah nice
[8:28] <ScarletSwordfish> but the case i've made would negate that usefulness
[8:28] <TAFB_ssd> pfft, when do you ever need to take it out? just stick it in and forget about it.
[8:29] <ScarletSwordfish> but i spent a lot of time cutting out that slot :(
[8:29] <TAFB_ssd> rofl
[8:29] <TAFB_ssd> maybe tweesers?
[8:29] <TAFB_ssd> could always just open the case if you had to swap it
[8:29] <TAFB_ssd> consider it a breathing hole now
[8:29] <ScarletSwordfish> the whole other side is open, it's got plenty of breathing room
[8:30] <TAFB_ssd> nice
[8:31] <ScarletSwordfish> i'm surprised there are so many incompatible sd cards
[8:32] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, stay away from kingston
[8:32] <TAFB_ssd> seems to be, the crappier and more no-name the brand, the better it works! lol
[8:32] <ScarletSwordfish> hah
[8:32] <ScarletSwordfish> the sandisk card i have in there seems to be working ok
[8:33] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, most of em work peachy
[8:37] <Macer> lol... http://mrozekma.com/editor-learning-curve.png
[8:37] <ScarletSwordfish> haha
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[8:38] <ScarletSwordfish> i'll figure out how to mount my phone tomorrow
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[9:01] <Macer> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png
[9:01] <Macer> magnetized needle lol
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[9:18] <gordonDrogon> quantum weather butterfly.
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[9:28] <Macer> heh
[9:29] <Macer> i want my other pis
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[9:47] <gordonDrogon> all I want for xmas is my other Pi's ... etc.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:47] <nid0> I got my eve alpha for christmas so reasonably happy :)
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> this is the thing from ciseco?
[9:59] <nid0> yep
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> multi platform wireless thing..
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> I'd buy more ciseco radio stuff, but they only support paypal, and the local reseller they used in Exeter went bust )-:
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> their xrf/urf stuff is good though.
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[10:02] <nid0> yeah it does seem like theyre reasonably clued up on what theyre doing, this board seems to work as expected (though there's no software for it yet so its currently a case of figuring things out by hand)
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> gosh. wonder who's just switched to ipv6 - my ipv6 in the data centre has doubled in the past 24 hours - from 8Kb/sec to 16Kb/sec on average ... Ah well :)
[10:02] <nid0> they made a bit of a snafu pre-soldering a power jack to it though which prevents it from fitting into pi cases properly
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[10:02] <gordonDrogon> Ah.
[10:02] <nid0> so gotta whip that back off sometime
[10:03] <TAFB_ssd> man. can't figure out how to get my script to launch in Arch. this systemd stuff is killin me :( gimme rc.local back!
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_ssd, so just put Raspbian back then.
[10:04] <TAFB_ssd> it's on my new seagate box
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> then install Debian..
[10:04] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.yi.org
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[10:05] <gordonDrogon> well I have stuff to do today - big party from lunchtime onwards...
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[10:12] <TomWij> Did anyone here come across the error
[10:12] <TomWij> emu_msvcrt.cpp:1613:33: error: cannot convert 'fpos64_t*' to 'fpos_t*' for argument '2' to 'int fgetpos(FILE*, fpos_t*)'
[10:12] <TomWij> when trying to compile XBMC on Raspberry Pi?
[10:14] <TomWij> I didn't have this previous time so I feel like they added these DllLoader files, I'm a bit clueless as to why it would be doing "msvcrt" on a RPi. :S
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[10:15] <steve_rox> i was able to import minecraft map from win32 to minecraft on pi , that most most jolly
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[10:22] <xrosnight> i am copying raspbian to my TF card which is not a brand one. Hope it works.
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[10:23] <Snuupy> bertrik: rockbox is awesome.
[10:30] <bertrik> thanks :)
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> has minecraft been released for the Pi yet?
[10:42] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, not officialy, but it has 'leaked'
[10:43] <shiftplusone> They put up the download link and then took it down, though the file is still accessible.
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> Ah well - shame I don't have time over the next 2 days to play!!!
[10:44] <shiftplusone> It's not a the full version, so it's not much of a game, but they recently uploaded a video showing what you can do with python. They had a few algorithms which would generate interesting shapes and such.
[10:45] <shiftplusone> Probably a great feature to have for teaching programming.
[10:45] <rymate1234> shiftplusone, leak? :P
[10:46] <shiftplusone> rymate1234, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=23693#p240183
[10:47] <rymate1234> huh]
[10:47] <shiftplusone> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veCV7qBqwr4
[10:47] <advancednewbie> Minecraft - Pi Edition (Download and Gameplay)
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[10:50] <rymate1234> thx
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[10:53] * rymate1234 is daring
[10:53] * rymate1234 maximises window
[10:54] <shiftplusone> heh
[10:54] <rymate1234> welp
[10:54] <rymate1234> raspberry pi confirmed to be graphical powerhouse
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[11:05] <shiftplusone> rymate1234, does redstone work?
[11:05] <shiftplusone> Might be interesting hooking up redstone circuits to gpio.
[11:06] <rymate1234> didn't check
[11:06] <rymate1234> I assume not
[11:07] <rymate1234> hao do I mount /boot read and wite
[11:07] <rymate1234> *write
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[11:07] <shiftplusone> it should be rw by default
[11:07] <shiftplusone> when you type mount, does it say ro or rw?
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[11:08] <rymate1234> is ro
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[11:08] <TomWij> Correct your fstab then.
[11:09] <rymate1234> k
[11:11] <rymate1234> easy fix was easy
[11:12] <rikkib> Merry Christmas all... Just 45 minutes until Santa arrives.
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[11:14] <TAFB_zzz> lol. got like 24 hours to go here :)
[11:14] <TAFB_zzz> got the auto updates working on my page, but it's eating 8mb of rame and 8% cpu to do it :( http://tafb.yi.org
[11:15] <TAFB_zzz> i'll have to see if I can come up with a better way than an infinite loop .sh script to do it ;)
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[11:15] <nid0> well, chop out all the shell exec calls that arent doing anything, thatll trim it down a lot
[11:15] <TAFB_zzz> it's not that.
[11:16] <TAFB_zzz> if i run my script in terminal, it doesn't use any ram.
[11:16] <rymate1234> Nope
[11:16] <rymate1234> No redstone
[11:16] <TAFB_zzz> stupid arch, to make it run on boot you can't use rc.local
[11:16] <rymate1234> however lighting works
[11:16] <TAFB_zzz> so I had to load it with systemctl and then it hogs ram :(
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[11:17] <rymate1234> currently, Minecraft Pi edition is like minecarft classic, except with proper lighting, doors, and more blocks
[11:17] <TAFB_zzz> alright, nite nite, we'll see if she crashes or is till up in the mornin :)
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[11:23] <TAFB_zzz> YAY! All fixed! in /etc/systemd/journald.conf set Storage=none and it doesn't log the console to ram! WOOT!
[11:23] <TAFB_zzz> alright, nite nite.
[11:25] <TAFB_zzz> soooo much free ram, so jelly! http://tafb.yi.org/
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[11:32] <shiftplusone> is that meant to be a good thing?
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[11:54] <steve_rox> i used a win32 minecraft map editor to import huge insane constuctions into pi minecraft
[11:54] <shiftplusone> Ah, so it's the same format? nice.
[11:56] <steve_rox> seems it
[11:56] <steve_rox> distance clipping seems to help it load better
[11:57] <steve_rox> allough the pi did reboot once while in it , not sure if i hit a wire or it caused it
[11:57] <steve_rox> was on utube looking for pi vids and i found a guy that conncted led upto gpio directly and hes like did you get burnt by it too?
[11:58] <steve_rox> basicly actively incourageing ppl to touch led to their gpio
[11:58] <steve_rox> -with no resistor
[11:59] <Yotson> -insert foul language here-
[11:59] <Yotson> that's a nono. :)
[12:00] <steve_rox> yeah i posted a comment on his vid to discourage others
[12:01] <steve_rox> what if someone was to slip and short a pin , it could damage the main chip
[12:03] <megaproxy> work is so quiet!
[12:06] <steve_rox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LTFEVexggE
[12:06] <advancednewbie> Raspberry PI will Light and Test an LED & Burn You?
[12:06] <Yotson> steve_rox: in #arduino i often slap people with http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Tutorial/LEDs.html "care and feeding of leds" and point them to the last paragraph. :)
[12:06] <steve_rox> thats vid if you wanna comment
[12:06] <steve_rox> he now clames it was a vid to mock ppl
[12:06] <shiftplusone> is advancednewbie a bot or a guy running a bot?
[12:07] <steve_rox> hate ppl that try make a somewhat pro looking vid and make complete fool of themselfs :-P
[12:07] <steve_rox> ya know what i mean
[12:07] <shiftplusone> steve_rox, yeah, it's clearly satire.
[12:08] <steve_rox> we dont need vids like that encourageing kids to do it :-P
[12:08] <steve_rox> agh im so sleepy
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[12:13] <steve_rox> wonder how far devlopment will be taken on pi minecraft
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[12:14] <steve_rox> maybe they make red stone control gpio :-P
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[12:22] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone>does redstone work?
[12:22] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone> Might be interesting hooking up redstone circuits to gpio.
[12:22] <shiftplusone> looks like we're on the same page there =D
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[12:26] <shiftplusone> Wonder how long it would take of that minecraft ALU to do a simple addition using gpio switches and leds.
[12:27] <shiftplusone> (yes, completly pointless, but still)
[12:29] <formax> Using username "decto".
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[12:48] <gordonDrogon> Is the Pi minecraft playable in survival mode, or is it just constructor?
[12:48] <steve_rox> its creative mode
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. where's the fun in that ...
[12:49] <steve_rox> wouldent be good to have a red stone circuit to have a creeper come along and blow it up
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> I suppose they'll charge for survival mode once they've got the bugs out of creator mode..
[12:50] <steve_rox> theres no red stone support in it yet anyways
[12:50] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, I think they are just porting the pocket edition
[12:50] * gordonDrogon nods.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> oh well - maybe I'll finally have a go at it...
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> one day!
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[12:50] <Amadiro> which has only like one chunk, no redstone, no flowing water, and only a hand full of block types
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> not today.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> it's party time!
[12:51] <Kane> hi
[12:51] <steve_rox> tnt dont go boom yet eather unless theres some secret hand shake to make it trigger
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[12:51] <steve_rox> hello
[12:51] <Amadiro> steve_rox, hm, last time I tried the pocket edition, there was no TNT at all
[12:52] <steve_rox> well the texture/block is there
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[12:53] <steve_rox> for some reasion one flower type is blue rather than red
[12:53] <OpenSys> my Christmas rpi: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-4MKk1CYAAVu43.jpg:large
[12:53] <OpenSys> :)
[12:53] <InControl> presumably minecraft is a game ?
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[12:54] <steve_rox> thats a very elaborate jpg
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[12:55] <savetheinternet> raspberry pis are cool
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[12:55] <steve_rox> some kinda multi purpose pi setup?
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[12:57] <steve_rox> guess ill never know
[12:57] <steve_rox> passing out.
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[12:58] <Kane> nice board OpenSys !
[12:59] <shiftplusone> OpenSys, looks like your own regulator, a serial breakout, some switches and relays?
[13:00] <shiftplusone> what's the blue board? some wireless chip?
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[13:02] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, yes, and also temp, pressure, lux and humidity sensors, eprom RW, 8 relays, buzzer and spi LCD
[13:03] * shiftplusone wants to do something similar but is too lazy =(
[13:03] <shiftplusone> I like it
[13:03] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, the blue is temp and humidity sensor
[13:04] <OpenSys> this is controled by web interface
[13:04] <OpenSys> automation control
[13:05] <shiftplusone> Is it a part of something else or did you just slap on whatever came to mind for the hell of it?
[13:05] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[13:05] <shiftplusone> Good use of a pi =)
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[13:06] <shiftplusone> You should lay that out onto a PCB and sell it as a kit.
[13:06] <shiftplusone> I know I am not the only one who'd be interested.
[13:06] <OpenSys> yes will be a good thing to do :)
[13:07] <shiftplusone> Do you have schematics somewhere?
[13:07] <OpenSys> i have also a android app that controls and monitor this
[13:08] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, partial on web and the rest in my head
[13:09] <OpenSys> lots of search
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[13:09] <OpenSys> haa this also monitor voltages
[13:09] <OpenSys> AD
[13:09] <OpenSys> 0-30v
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[13:10] <shiftplusone> OpenSys, run into any problems on the 3.3v devices when powering through gpio?
[13:13] <OpenSys> nop, in my board i have 3.3v,5.0v,12v at 3Amps
[13:13] <OpenSys> no problems with 3.3v
[13:14] <magi> 12v?
[13:14] <OpenSys> no level converters
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[13:14] <OpenSys> magi, yes for relays
[13:14] <shiftplusone> Last question, I promise. What do you have going on on the power input there exactly? Do you have a link to what you've got hooked up there exactly?
[13:14] <magi> ahh i thought you ment you had 12v on yur RasPi
[13:15] <shiftplusone> Or is it just a standard linear regulator with a datasheet circuit?
[13:15] <OpenSys> magi, no in board only
[13:15] <InControl> it looks like a switcher to me
[13:15] <magi> OpenSys i just scrolled up and saw the picture :)
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[13:16] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, its not linear regulator, is a switch off regulator
[13:16] <OpenSys> 12 to 5v
[13:16] <magi> OpenSys what do you control with the relays?
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[13:17] <OpenSys> with a zenners and a fuse to protect all board
[13:17] <shiftplusone> What chip is it? (if you remember off the top of your head)
[13:18] <OpenSys> magi, lamps, garage dors etc...
[13:19] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, LM2576T regulator
[13:19] <shiftplusone> thanks
[13:19] * shiftplusone fires up kicad =)
[13:19] <OpenSys> 3A Step-Down Voltage Regulator - Texas Instruments
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[13:20] <OpenSys> you have also this regulator with 5.0v stable
[13:21] <OpenSys> but i make my own voltage 5.3v because the drop voltage
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[13:21] <shiftplusone> where's the drop?
[13:21] <OpenSys> then i have a 3.3v regulator
[13:21] <OpenSys> in o other side
[13:21] <OpenSys> in the other side
[13:22] <shiftplusone> Ah, so it's your own 3.3v as well? I thought you were using the one on the pi.
[13:22] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, i have like 0.4v voltage drop
[13:22] <shiftplusone> Did you need to disable the 3.3v regulator on the pi, or can you just feed the 3.3v directly into the gpio without worrying about the other one?
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[13:23] <shiftplusone> (yeah, I lied about the last question thing)
[13:23] <OpenSys> nop rpi 3.3v is like 0.040 amps
[13:23] <OpenSys> will not work
[13:24] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, nop 3.3v from rpi its not connected
[13:24] <shiftplusone> desoldered?
[13:24] <OpenSys> nop
[13:24] <OpenSys> in a ded end
[13:24] <OpenSys> not connected
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[13:26] <OpenSys> next step will be connect some sensors to a bee radio communications
[13:26] <shiftplusone> wouldn't it be automatically connected since you're powering the 5v line and it's the same line that's on the input of the 3.3v reg?
[13:27] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, no, one pin to 5v and other to 3.3v. the 3.3v from RPI board it's not connected
[13:27] <OpenSys> i use 3.3v from my regulated IC
[13:27] <OpenSys> 3.3v 1A
[13:27] <OpenSys> regulator
[13:28] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I get that you have your own regulator, I am a bit confused by what you mean when you say that the regulator on the pi is not connected if you didn't modify the board.
[13:29] * shiftplusone loads up the pi schematic to see what's going on there exactly
[13:29] <OpenSys> the pin 3.3v is connected to my board, but don't go anywhere
[13:30] <shiftplusone> ok, I'll shut up before I start annoying you, heh.
[13:31] <OpenSys> haaaa
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[13:31] <OpenSys> i will go now :)
[13:32] <shiftplusone> take care, thanks for the info
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[13:36] <InControl> What he is saying is that the 3.3V on the RPI GPIO header is not used by his board
[13:37] <InControl> the Raspberry Pi onboard 3.3V regulator does not have the capability to power external devices
[13:37] <InControl> so it is necessary to supply your own 3.3V supply to external devices
[13:38] <shiftplusone> InControl, OH! Ok, a bit of miscommunication there. Thanks
[13:38] <shiftplusone> I thought he was feeding the 3.3v to the pi through gpio as well.
[13:39] <InControl> oh right, he is feeding 5V to the Pi via the GPIO header but not 3.3V
[13:39] <shiftplusone> When I said 3.3v devices I mane the devices on the pi. I know some people had their pi become unstable when feeding 5v through gpio.
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[13:39] <shiftplusone> *meant
[13:39] <shiftplusone> Well, no wonder we kept going around in circles, lol.
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[13:40] <InControl> The 5V pin on the GPIO header is electrically connected to the 5V input on the micro USB connector
[13:41] <shiftplusone> Yeah, which is why it's strange. It shouldn't make a difference
[13:41] <InControl> so feeding 5V in through the GPIO is the same as supplying it via the microUSB
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[13:42] <InControl> I expect the difference is down to PSU performance.
[13:42] <InControl> I imagine that people who have tried both USB and GPIO are using different PSUs
[13:42] <InControl> as their USB PSU has a USB connector on it
[13:42] <shiftplusone> Yeah, most likely. I should try out the lab supply and see if there's any difference.
[13:43] <TomWij> I don't have sound in XBMC, while it is fine in madplay; what do I do to fix this?
[13:43] <shiftplusone> TomWij, hdmi or analog?
[13:44] <TomWij> shiftplusone: hdmi
[13:45] <shiftplusone> Might want to check to make sure it's not defaulting to analog (plug in some headphones). Though it shouldn't do that =/
[13:45] <Hoerie> you could check the xbmc settings for audio
[13:46] <Hoerie> mine started in analog iirc
[13:46] <TomWij> Already tried both
[13:47] <TomWij> Put in analog or hdmi --> analog no audio, hdmi no audio
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[13:47] <shiftplusone> Not an xbmc user myself, so I give up. >.>
[13:47] <Hoerie> there might be some bugs if you are using nightly builds
[13:48] <shiftplusone> I'd try omxplayer as well
[13:48] <Hoerie> there's also config.txt settings you can tweak
[13:48] <TomWij> I tried openelec/xbmc (based on old) as well as xbmc/xbmc
[13:48] <TomWij> Yeah, though config.txt shouldn't be involved since madplay just works.
[13:49] <TomWij> shiftplusone: xbmc uses omxplayer
[13:49] <shiftplusone> yeah, which is why I'd try omxplayer manually
[13:49] <shiftplusone> to help isolate the problem
[13:49] <TomWij> I tried xbmc with omxplayer on and with omxplayer off, with it on the video is noticeably more snappy / smooth but no change in audio output
[13:50] <Hoerie> and it isn't down to xbmc thinking your equipment is capable of handling, for instance, dts and your equipment not being able to?
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[13:51] <TomWij> Yeah, but I had one file that's just mp3, nothing special, also no-go.
[13:52] <Hoerie> you could check the log for errors I guess
[13:52] <Hoerie> for me it "just works"TM
[13:53] <TomWij> Ah yeah, I forgot to check for errors after getting the xbmc/xbmc one
[13:53] <TomWij> But it'll likely be the same error as before, moment...
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[13:53] <TomWij> Hoerie: I keep getting these errors:
[13:53] <TomWij> 13:48:18 T:1366217824 ERROR: Process - failed to create audio renderer
[13:53] <TomWij> 13:48:18 T:1366217824 NOTICE: Creating audio stream (codec id: 86017, channels: 2, sample rate: 48000, no pass-through)
[13:55] <Hoerie> could be an xbmc bug I guess
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[13:55] <TomWij> It would help to know what 86017 is.
[13:55] <TomWij> As then I might be able to "turn it on" or something, because it's very likely something could be still off since I'm compiling everything from scratch.
[13:56] <Hoerie> how's your memory split?
[13:56] <TomWij> total used free shared buffers cached
[13:56] <TomWij> Mem: 376 298 77 0 22 218
[13:56] <TomWij> So, 128 to GPU
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[13:57] <Hoerie> that should be ok for xbmc afaik
[13:58] <TomWij> Yeah, tried #xbmc like three times or so already but no response so far. :(
[13:58] <TomWij> (once a day)
[13:58] <Hoerie> probably forum is a better place
[13:59] <shiftplusone> TomWij, which distro?
[13:59] <Hoerie> they have a trac I think, might have existing ticket
[13:59] <TomWij> shiftplusone: Gentoo
[13:59] <shiftplusone> nice
[14:00] <TomWij> Just gonna keep things as minimal to optimally use the space, else I end up with a lot of things I don't end up using.
[14:01] <TomWij> And customizing / optimizing / ... it a lot to run faster.
[14:02] <TomWij> First goal was to put up XBMC on it, some videos already play quite good on it, only would love a bit of audio with that. Surprised just modprobing and madplay worked out for playing a music file so hoped XBMC to do the same, didn't appear to do that.
[14:03] <TomWij> I'll probably write me an omxplayer ebuild to see whether that one works.
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[14:29] <SeanAM> good morning room :)
[14:29] <SeanAM> how's everyone doing today
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[14:36] <megaproxy> TAFB_zzz,
[14:36] <megaproxy> Y U SLEEP
[14:37] <formax> its 2:30 in the afternoon
[14:39] <dr_willis> 8:30 am here. ;-)
[14:40] <DeliriumTremens> 7:30 here :(
[14:42] <TomWij> shiftplusone, Hoerie: Appear I need PulseAudio.
[14:46] <TomWij> 14:46 here!
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[14:51] <Hoerie> <TomWij> shiftplusone, Hoerie: Appear I need PulseAudio. <-- openelec doesn't come with that?
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[14:52] <DeliriumTremens> Hoerie: he compiled from scratch; content in his suffering
[14:52] <TomWij> Hoerie: when I said OpenELEC/xbmc and xbmc/xbmc I was referring to their GitHub repositories.
[14:52] <Hoerie> ah
[14:53] <Hoerie> well, you've experienced the joy that is linux then ;-)
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[14:57] <sraue> there is no alsa support for XBMC for RPi, so pulseaudio will not work
[14:58] <sraue> together with xbmc
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[15:03] <shikhin> This is weird. If I use composite output to an old TV, the TV sort of pulsates - both the output contracts/expands, and the TV makes a weird heart-beat like noise (periodic). Any clue?
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[15:09] <TomWij> sraue: Huh, then how are we supposed to get audio on RPi?
[15:10] <dirty_d> TomWij, it "just works" with hdmi
[15:10] <dirty_d> throug the low level proprietary stuff
[15:11] <TomWij> dirty_d: If that were the case, it would be nice; but that resulted in no audio in XBMC...
[15:11] <fayimora> is it advisable to useausb hub? I have zoo many things(mouse, keyboard, wifi, hard drive ) to plug to my pi and not enough ports..
[15:11] <DeliriumTremens> fayimora: yes
[15:11] <shikhin> No clue for me?
[15:11] <Hoerie> <+DeliriumTremens> fayimora: yes <-- a powered hub though
[15:11] <dirty_d> TomWij, i dunno, never used XBMC. I use archlinux with omxplayer
[15:11] <DeliriumTremens> Hoerie: *
[15:12] <fayimora> cool any recommendations? Hoerie DeliriumTremens
[15:12] <Hoerie> raspbmc works fine for instance
[15:12] <DeliriumTremens> ^
[15:12] <DeliriumTremens> The guides i've seen for compiling XBMC yourself on pi basically say "Here's how I did it, and it works...barely. Good luck"
[15:13] <TomWij> Hoerie: Any way you could see what raspbmc uses?
[15:13] <Hoerie> pulse8 (or pulseeight) iirc
[15:14] <Hoerie> I'm not home atm and wouldn't know where to find in the filesystem
[15:14] <TomWij> Somethnig like `lddtree /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin` could also reveal really well what is being used.
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[15:14] <DeliriumTremens> TomWij: http://pastebin.com/Fqdwpt9U
[15:15] <TomWij> DeliriumTremens: Huh, don't you need snd_bcm2835?
[15:16] <DeliriumTremens> That is a vanilla raspbmc install
[15:16] <Hoerie> don't have lddtree on mine
[15:16] <DeliriumTremens> the only time i installed snd_bcm2835 was when attempting to get ROMS to work
[15:16] <fayimora> Hoerie: i was referring to a usb adapter/hub
[15:17] <TomWij> Hoerie: And just `ldd ...`?
[15:17] <Hoerie> same arguments?
[15:17] <TomWij> Yes.
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[15:18] <DeliriumTremens> xbmc.bin is not found there in raspbmc
[15:19] <TomWij> Right, it'll be in another location, `which xbmc` or `where xbmc` will reveal it.
[15:19] <TomWij> It's not even called .bin there probably. :D
[15:19] <DeliriumTremens> /opt/xbmc-bcm/xbmc-bin/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin
[15:20] <DeliriumTremens> http://pastebin.com/fb6JQKXW
[15:20] <TomWij> Anyhow, just getting pulseaudio for sure. Can still see whether I turn on or off.
[15:20] <AlexanderS> DeliriumTremens: snd_bcm2835 is only the alsa driver, the most xbmc builds does not use alsa but instead the vc-api stuff from the firmware
[15:20] <DeliriumTremens> i used alsa to get certain emulators to play sound
[15:21] <DeliriumTremens> then i ditched the whole idea because i got hulkrage on it
[15:22] <AlexanderS> DeliriumTremens: ah yes, for that you may need alsa, but the alsa performance with xmbc may be very bad...
[15:22] <DeliriumTremens> I wasn't looking for THX quality sound -.-
[15:25] <TomWij> DeliriumTremens: Well, look what we have here... libpulsecommon-2.0.so => /usr/lib/pulseaudio/libpulsecommon-2.0.so :P
[15:26] <TomWij> Also...
[15:26] <TomWij> libpulse-simple.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpulse-simple.so.0
[15:26] <TomWij> libpulse.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpulse.so.0
[15:26] <TomWij> So there's pulseaudio in yours.
[15:26] <DeliriumTremens> ??\_(???)_/??
[15:28] <Hoerie> <fayimora> Hoerie: i was referring to a usb adapter/hub <-- don't use one, so no recommendations - there should be a wiki page with tested hardware that you could use as a start
[15:29] <TomWij> DeliriumTremens: Here's a full diff: - are mine and + are yours https://gist.github.com/eb0a255d8bac0e0855c0
[15:30] <TomWij> Note that still some paths differ, I'm too lazy to replace them all. :P
[15:30] <TomWij> I don't want X support, since XBMC runs on the FB; so don't need the X ones.
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[15:33] <TomWij> DeliriumTremens: Thanks for that diff, will centainly be helpful when figuring out when other things are broken, although only found audio to not work for now.
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[15:35] <InControl> surprised I can't find a library for the MC3002 AtoD for eagle
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[15:47] <aaa801> Rpi toolchain for windows/cygwin http://rosefire.us/%7Erazdroid/aaa801/tools.tar.gz
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[15:49] <TomWij> If I don't have a license enabled, will it not show the video at all or will it use the CPU?
[15:50] <nid0> itll use software decoding
[15:50] <pksato> video, movie?
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[16:11] <TomWij> nid0: Ah, that might explain why some videos go frame by frame instead of at full speed, should inspect if they indeed use that codec and then consider buying the licenses at some point... :)
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[16:13] <atouk> at the same price as a candy bar, might as well buy them
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[16:15] <ugg> found a why to mess up my pi's software - I use a bt keyboard and mouse. They work great. Setting them up was a bit of a pita. Then I tried to setup usb speakers.
[16:15] <TomWij> But... I'm on a diet! :D
[16:16] <atouk> then the money's better spent on the codecs
[16:17] <ugg> after adding the pulseaudio module for bluetooth, and using blueman to pair (what worked for keyboard/mouse does not for speakers) I briefly see the speakers in pavucontrol then havoc happens
[16:17] <ugg> either I get overruns, x stalls, bluetooth dies or the pi dies.
[16:18] <atouk> i've heard of people setting up usb mics, but not speakers. did you check the forums?
[16:18] <ugg> looks like I can reproduce a problem (differing symptoms) on demand.
[16:19] <atouk> if it's reporducable, it isn't a bug, it's an undocumented feature
[16:19] <ugg> atouk looks like the pi usb drivers need work. There are two threads on github about this. Will start giving feedback on them
[16:19] <atouk> are you using latest firmware?
[16:19] <ugg> atouk if it always produced the same results I'd agree - here different bad things happen each time...
[16:20] <atouk> why not use the audio jack?
[16:20] <ugg> atouk I have tried with dist firmware, rpi-update default firmware, and the latest commit
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[16:21] <ugg> atouk I have bt speakers free, I do not have a set of plugged speakers free.
[16:21] <ugg> In any case, it should be able to handle the bt speakers.
[16:21] <ugg> or not handle them without messing up the boot/x/bluetooth etc
[16:22] <atouk> well, the usb (and network) are bit banged, so loading thse up with too much at the same time is bound to cause issues
[16:22] <ugg> for $35+sh the rpi _is_ a good deal - the software will only get better
[16:23] <ugg> it works on most phones. They use the same sort of arch. It should be doable
[16:23] <atouk> yup. people lose focus on that it is and what it was designed for
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[16:23] <ugg> I know very little about the usb stack (the mm is another mater)
[16:24] <ugg> think the cma stuff in the latest firmware has potenial. Now it seems to grab to much memory and not release it fast enough.
[16:25] <ugg> its need to be tied into the memory preasure infra so we can tell the video coprocess its time to release memory
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[16:57] <martk100> Is there a virtual keyboard that works well with the pi?
[16:58] <viric> what do you imagine by virtual keyboard?
[16:59] <martk100> viric: On screen keyboaed.
[17:00] <viric> ah, to use only a mouse?
[17:01] <martk100> viric:I want to use it with atouch screen.
[17:01] <viric> ok
[17:01] <viric> there was a common x program for that
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[17:02] <viric> I never used or tried to use it though
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[17:02] <viric> xvkbd looks quite up to date (quick blind search)
[17:03] <martk100> viric: I have found one called matchbox-keyboard but it does not work well.
[17:03] <martk100> viric: Will that work on the pi?
[17:04] <viric> I don't see why not
[17:04] <martk100> viric: Ok thanks I will give it atry thanks.
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[17:09] <dr_willis> hmm. not tried matchbox in ages.
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[17:18] <shiftplusone> Heh, just tried archlinux in virtualbox running entierly from RAM. Didn't know something could run that fast.
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[17:50] <user82> Hi. which voltage does the raspberry board run on internally? i believe there is a voltage regulator at the input
[17:51] <viric> 3v3 iirc
[17:52] <user82> in the schematics that was my guess..good to have it confirmed
[17:53] <viric> someone recently commented that the 5V are only for the usb.
[17:53] <viric> the rest goes on 3v3
[17:53] <user82> so if i make my own power source from batteries i can also feed it 3.3v instead of 5.0v.? or would it crash
[17:53] <user82> with no external usb devices
[17:53] <viric> I don't know how the regulator works
[17:54] <viric> I guess anything slightly above 3.3 will do
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[17:55] <user82> i will test it soon..i am getting the regulator datasheet tgough to have a theoretical value
[17:55] <plugwash> user82 like most modern systems different parts of the Pi run on different voltages
[17:56] <user82> Dropout Voltage is typ at 0.95
[17:56] <plugwash> The core of the Pi runs on a very low voltage (1.<something> iirc) which is dervived from the 5V line by a swiched mode converter inside the SoC.
[17:57] <user82> so i guess going belov 4.3V is not even possible..not worth it
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[17:57] <user82> yes i read that too plugwash... amazing low voltage tech
[17:57] <plugwash> the USB hub with ethernet chip and a lot of IO runs off 3.3V which is derived from the 5V with a linear regulator, there are also a couple of other minor rails for little bits
[17:58] <viric> so the 5V reach the soc
[17:58] <herdingcat> hi all, I encounter a serious issue that rpi would hang if run some heavy apps
[17:58] <plugwash> if you want to run on 3.3V it should be possible if you remove and bypass the 3.3V regulator, I'm pretty sure the switcher that powers the core will run ok on 3.3V
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[17:59] <herdingcat> keyboard and serial console are not available. I have to do cold reboot.
[17:59] <herdingcat> Is that normal?
[17:59] <user82> that is typical for a underpowered supply maybe? or do you have a good one
[18:01] <herdingcat> anyone ever encounter such issue?
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[18:02] <viric> herdingcat: as user82 says, the hang can be due to lack of power
[18:03] <herdingcat> viric, oh, I'm using USB connected w/ my laptop
[18:03] <herdingcat> viric, is that would be a problem?
[18:03] <Grievre> herdingcat: did you miss the part where it said not to do that? ;x
[18:03] <TAFB_zzz> lol
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[18:03] <user82> you never know how tolerable they are..some are really only giving you the 500mA
[18:04] <viric> herdingcat: and the laptop still works? :)
[18:04] <herdingcat> user82, okay, got it. Thanks. It seems I have to use a standalone power supply.
[18:04] <herdingcat> viric, sure thing
[18:04] <user82> herdingcat, you got a tablet or android smartphone? those charger usually have more power
[18:04] <TAFB_ssd> and could be using a crappy MicroUSB too! Remember, even a super awesome USB power supply + crappy cable = no go :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw
[18:04] <herdingcat> user82, mne is iphone
[18:04] <viric> if you have a usb hub, you can power it through the usb-host connector
[18:05] <viric> it=pi
[18:05] <user82> well bad luck..would have given you a proper test then herdingcat
[18:05] <herdingcat> viric, but it's 500 mmA
[18:05] <viric> what is 500ma?
[18:05] <herdingcat> viric, USB hub
[18:05] <viric> usb hubs usually can give more poewr
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[18:05] <viric> power
[18:06] <herdingcat> user82, yes, I may need to use charger from those phones.
[18:06] <fayimora> How do i get the IP of my pi so i can ssh into it from my mac?
[18:06] <viric> fayimora: look at your dhcp server entries
[18:06] <herdingcat> viric, how do you power on those hubs?
[18:06] <viric> fayimora: or "ping -b yournetworkip"
[18:06] <fayimora> viric: i don't know my network IP
[18:06] <user82> herdingcat, not _all_ charger give you the needed power but most of them..you need to check it properly
[18:06] <viric> fayimora: ask your OS
[18:06] <TAFB_ssd> man... nmap is such a powerful tool :)
[18:06] <Petros> Hi, I have just received Type B with the software. Really unexpected, anonymous gift. I am trying to ssh it from my Ubuntu (http://interlockroc.org/?s=raspberry style). It starts up nicely, presents itself as 'loyalty', but no possible user/pwd combination works. Any hint? Pliis?
[18:07] <fayimora> viric: which is why i'm asking for help here.. i don't know how to
[18:07] <viric> what OS?
[18:07] <fayimora> on the PI? Raspbian
[18:07] <TAFB_ssd> Petros: You tried pi/raspberry?
[18:07] <user82> Petros, blank password tested?
[18:07] <viric> fayimora: no. In your computer
[18:07] <fayimora> MacOS
[18:07] <viric> ah no idea of macos.
[18:08] <DeliriumTremens> fing!
[18:08] <viric> ifconfig maybe?
[18:08] <user82> Petros, or keymap issue: y vs z ?
[18:08] <Petros> user82: this is a new idea. :-) user:pi ?
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[18:08] <Petros> keymap - no idea. I use standard kbd
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[18:10] <user82> yes pi and raspberry
[18:11] <user82> y and z are switched eventually
[18:11] <user82> i do not think so..because it should use the layout of your host computer .. but i would test it
[18:11] <user82> in the ssh temrinal
[18:11] <user82> not sure though
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[18:12] <Petros> user82 checked blank pwd and z<>y switch. Got stuck.
[18:13] <Petros> And the bad news is, when I dd downloaded wheezy - it does not start at all.
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[18:16] <kline> welcome to #raspberrypi. the romans dont have a number for the fucks we give!
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[18:17] <TAFB_ssd> watch the language kline
[18:18] <kline> you guys are too uptight.
[18:18] <megaproxy> its a rule, so you gota abide
[18:18] <kline> gotta abide to stay inside?
[18:18] <megaproxy> exact
[18:19] <kline> ReggieUK: you were the one trying to hawk broken laptops from another channel, right?
[18:19] <kline> (or maybe it wasnt, but they had a name that ended in UK and you are definitely in that channel)
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[18:22] <kline> megaproxy: so whats the deal with +v here?
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[18:26] <megaproxy> i... dont know
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[18:28] <kline> basically, the op is a power mad bas... buffoon. (who shouldnt really wear +o, its considered bad practice on freenode)
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[18:48] <fernandocunhajr> Hi there! Does en1 know if there is a software that captures an image from a webcam from time to time and upload it through FTP to a specific website? If not, which is the more suitable language to use in order to create one?
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[18:49] <fernandocunhajr> And merry Xmas!! :)
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[18:50] <SpeedEvil> 'streamer' from xawtc
[18:50] <SpeedEvil> xawtv
[18:51] <fernandocunhajr> Tks! I'll search for it!
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[19:12] <confusid> Hello, Can I shrink my sd image down? I installed a few packages and like what I have and wish to take this 32gb and shrink it to 4 gb or smaller if I can. It was the default Raspbian image that I used raspi-config to expand to whole SD card size. Thanks
[19:13] <TAFB_ssd> confusid: gparted can do it, boot it up on your computer with SD card reader, shrink away
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[19:15] <Grievre> TAFB_ssd: the RPi filesystems are files within the SD card though right?
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[19:17] <TAFB_ssd> Grievre: yep, as long as you haven't done anything fancy like transfer your OS to USB
[19:18] <TAFB_ssd> Grievre: there's a small FAT32 boot partition, and then a "hidden" (to windows) linux partition that has the OS.
[19:18] <TAFB_ssd> that's why you have to boot up with gparted, it's the only think that can work with it.
[19:20] <Grievre> TAFB_ssd: ?? I thought the OS was just on image files inside the FAT32 partition
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[19:22] <nid0> Grievre: no, the fat partition is just /boot
[19:22] <Grievre> oh, disappointment
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[19:23] <confusid> TAFB_ssd: ty
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[19:23] <TAFB_ssd> np
[19:24] <TAFB_ssd> my new status page is comin along good :) http://tafb.yi.org/
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[19:24] <Grievre> it would be neat if there was a distro like that though
[19:24] <Grievre> then you wouldn't need low level access to the SD card
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[19:25] <TAFB_ssd> well, anyone who runs linux on their PC wouldn't call it "low level". it's only low-level for us windows peeps ;)
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[19:25] <TAFB_ssd> any linux machine can just "mount" the SD card and it's like plugging in a USB stick, poof, all your stuff is there :)
[19:26] <Grievre> TAFB_ssd: yeah but that assumes you have a PC at all
[19:26] <Grievre> what if you want to create a bootable SD card using your android phone or tablet?
[19:26] <TAFB_ssd> andriod is linux, I'm sure it could mount it.
[19:26] <kline> TAFB_ssd: nod nod wink wink
[19:27] <Grievre> TAFB_ssd: sigh, never mind
[19:27] <kline> oh, hey Grievre
[19:28] <Grievre> kline: Hi?
[19:28] <Grievre> kline: do I know you? :x
[19:28] <nid0> tbh, it would be easy enough to put together a modified raspbian image that stores everything in /boot
[19:28] <kline> Grievre: im sure its feasible to write an android app which can write a raspi os straight to sd. and yes, we sometimes rattle sabres on #arduino.
[19:28] <confusid> should I use /dev/sda1 for the usb drive I have, so it is auto booted in fstab? or is there a better way? I see an issue with this since sometimes I plug more then one in and the first usb drive is always sda then sdb etc...
[19:29] <Grievre> kline: Oh, I'm never surprised to see the same people in #raspberrypi, #arduino, #avr, ##electronics etc
[19:29] <TAFB_ssd> confusid: if you figure it out, lemme kno. I dunno hwo to stop it from swapping sda1/sda2 either :(
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[19:30] <formax> use the device id in fstab instead of /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
[19:30] <TAFB_ssd> how do you get the device id?
[19:31] <confusid> ooh.. I've seen that with obsd.. ty formax
[19:31] <formax> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131
[19:31] <formax> somewhere on that page they explain the whole deal
[19:32] <TAFB_ssd> nice
[19:32] <john_f> TAFB_ssd: ls -laF /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[19:32] <confusid> got it.. ty!!!
[19:33] <formax> uuid's are nice because then you can write scripts based on specific devices, say you plug in external drive A then it does an automatic backup, but not for any other external drive
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[19:36] <confusid> formax: say use cron for that?
[19:37] <formax> actually a udev rule
[19:37] <formax> http://www.virtfoundry.com/blog/?p=61 this is the first hit I found
[19:37] <confusid> taking notes :)
[19:38] <formax> upon connection of specific device udev will run a script that does whatever you want
[19:39] <formax> thats (partialy) how those ubergeeks create thumbdrives that unlock their desktop when they plug it in
[19:40] <confusid> also I have to stop a lot of daemons when i login with the head unit. is there a way to make " sudo /etc/init.d/tightvnc stop && /etc/init.d/apache2 stop" or "cd /etc && sudo ./tightvnc | apache2 | etc "
[19:40] <confusid> I like that idea.. good for work :)
[19:41] <{-0-}> Hi, upgraded kernel, 3.6.11+, Bogomips now 464.48, what have I set wrong?
[19:41] <formax> http://wiki.debian.org/Daemon has a section about disabling daemons
[19:41] <confusid> was wondering if I could make a script that I run to stop them all at once instead of typing them one by one.
[19:41] <confusid> then reverse it to start them back without having to reboot.
[19:42] <formax> pretty much everything is scriptable confusid, if you can type in the commandline you can script it
[19:42] <confusid> ty hitting google
[19:42] <pksato> confusid: create a text file with these commands. and in first line put #!/bin/bash
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[19:42] <pksato> and, chmod +x file_name
[19:42] <confusid> ty
[19:43] <pksato> do ./filename to execute commands in the file.
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[19:44] <pksato> dont need to append comands with sudo.
[19:44] <pksato> just call it using sudo.
[19:44] <Grievre> TAFB_ssd, nid0: What would be cool is if you could put a single file, plus a config.txt on an SD card, and then when you boot a pi with that SD card, it DHCPs, fetches an image from a preprogrammed URL, and formats the SD card with that image :D
[19:44] <confusid> ok
[19:45] <formax> Grievre: isnt that concept used for the xmbc installer?
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[19:56] <home> haaaai
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[19:57] <formax> dr nik?
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[19:58] <home> Grievre: sounds stupid
[19:58] <home> Grievre: but I likey
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[20:05] <artag> isn't that what berryboot does ?
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[20:07] <fayimora> I'm trying to follow this tut to install raspbian,(http://www.xbmchub.com/blog/2012/11/02/installing-raspbmc-to-raspberry-pi-for-mac/)
[20:08] <fayimora> Will i lost my OS too?
[20:08] <fayimora> *loose
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[20:31] <tonsofpcs> is there a way to install raspbmc from within raspbian? I don't have a spare SD-card writer.
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[20:38] <richardbranson> no
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[20:41] <rymate1234> tonsofpcs, you can install xbmc within rasbian
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[20:47] <richardbranson> how to set current time in raspberry, raspi-config dont working as i deleted it. :(
[20:49] <pksato> raspian and other use ntp to adjust time.
[20:50] <pksato> need a internet conection.
[20:50] <pksato> or, use date command to set manualy.
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[20:53] <biberao> hi
[20:53] <biberao> who uses openelec here
[20:53] <biberao> i cant run with raspbmc
[20:53] <biberao> it rquires internet connect and i cant make it work at boot
[20:53] <{-0-}> richardbranson, as root MMDDHHMM2012
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[20:53] <richardbranson> i will try
[20:53] <{-0-}> richardbranson, MONTH DAY HOUR MINUTE
[20:54] <{-0-}> DATE
[20:54] <{-0-}> 122419542012
[20:54] <richardbranson> but basically i want update via ntp
[20:55] <richardbranson> but when i use ntpdate i recieve "command not found"
[20:55] <richardbranson> when ntpd "command line not allowed"
[20:55] <richardbranson> ridicolous ;f
[20:56] <biberao> i cant build an openelect build
[20:56] <{-0-}> reinstall the package?
[20:56] <biberao> :|
[20:56] <_ds_> # aptitude install ntpdate
[20:56] <_ds_> ??? or try running it as root
[20:56] <pksato> ntpd up on boot.
[20:57] <fayimora> I'm trying to follow this tut to install raspbian,(http://www.xbmchub.com/blog/2012/11/02/installing-raspbmc-to-raspberry-pi-for-mac/)
[20:57] <fayimora> Will i loose my OS too?
[20:57] <_ds_> I don't know. Do you want to let it loose?
[20:58] <fayimora> _ds_: ono i just want xbmc :(
[20:58] <fayimora> *no
[21:00] <fayimora> What's the easiest and less stressful way to get xbmc on the pi? A link to a tutorial is fine
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[21:01] <{-0-}> fayimora, look at the 7th picture down on that guide
[21:01] <{-0-}> http://www.xbmchub.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2012-10-31-at-3.34.57-PM.jpg
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[21:01] <{-0-}> if that doesn't answer yopur question nothing will
[21:01] <fayimora> {-0-}: but it doesn't make sense.. Why will it wipe out data in the sd just to install a mere application?
[21:02] <pw-> so i recently picked up an edimax 802.11n adapter that claimed 150Mb
[21:02] <pw-> in practice it ended up being about 3Mb
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[21:02] <pw-> any suggestions for good usb wifi adapters?
[21:02] <{-0-}> fayimora, it's more than an app
[21:03] <{-0-}> you'll need to ask them
[21:03] <artag> because it's not just xbmc, it's raspbmc, which is a whole OS with xbmc already installed
[21:03] <fayimora> {-0-}: so when i install it, i have to re-install raspbian again ?
[21:03] <pksato> fayimora: sudo aptitude install xbmc xbmc-data
[21:03] <confusid> can I use uuid for other items?
[21:03] <pksato> items?
[21:03] <fayimora> pksato: that looks easy enough.. wonder why i can't find it online
[21:04] <{-0-}> fayimora, no, rasbian OR raspbmc
[21:04] <{-0-}> OR
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[21:04] <confusid> I'm looking at motion and have 4 usb cams but they do the same as the usb drives did.. random name to each. Could I point in the motion.conf videodevice=uuid 43265 and get the same result as /dev/video3 ?
[21:04] <fayimora> oh so raspbmc is not the xbmc version of xbmc?
[21:04] <fayimora> oh so raspbmc is not the pi version of xbmc?
[21:04] <fayimora> {-0-}:
[21:05] <artag> no, it's a ready-made SD card image that just runs
[21:05] <pksato> raspbmc is a linux distrbuition oriented to use a media center. And usr xbmc.
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[21:06] <pksato> confusid: it is more complex.
[21:06] <fayimora> holy moly.. ok thats weird
[21:07] <fayimora> so in other to use my pi as a media centre, i have to use another raspbmc?
[21:07] <tonsofpcs> rymate1234: yes, but it doesn't work.
[21:07] <pksato> confusid: some udev script can need to create links to real device.
[21:08] <fayimora> so in other to use my pi as a media centre, i have to use raspbmc(another linux distro)?
[21:08] <pksato> fayimora: what you using now?
[21:08] <pksato> fayimora: NO.
[21:08] <fayimora> pksato: raspbian
[21:08] <pksato> install XMBC.
[21:08] <confusid> pksato: ty lots more reading them :)
[21:08] <pksato> ops. XBMC.
[21:09] <pksato> fayimora: sudo aptitude install xbmc xbmc-data
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[21:09] <pksato> and, need to start xmbc manually.
[21:09] <fayimora> pksato: yeah that sounds more like it then..
[21:10] <rymate1234> tonsofpcs, in what way?
[21:10] <rymate1234> I managed to install xbmc in rasbian fine
[21:11] <pksato> xmbc is a application that make any computer device as media center.
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[21:12] <ScarletSwordfish> how do i tell what class an SD card is?
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[21:12] <zleap> it should have it written on the card
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[21:12] <ScarletSwordfish> oh
[21:12] <ScarletSwordfish> the C with a number in it?
[21:12] <TAFB_nap> ScarletSwordfish: yep
[21:14] <tonsofpcs> rymate1234: it yells about a service already running, not sure why. I'm taking a break to watch the simpsons now, will go back to it in a bit.
[21:14] <rymate1234> huh
[21:15] <zleap> hmm
[21:16] <zleap> are they still making the simpsons, if they are they should feature the pi in it, if bart has one loads of kids will want one :D
[21:16] <rymate1234> zleap, if anyone in that show gets a Pi, it;ll be Lisa
[21:16] <rymate1234> XD
[21:17] <zleap> good point
[21:17] <zleap> but I bet bart would use it for some sort of evil plan
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[21:17] <fayimora> pksato: hey man.. quick question.. how do i startup XBMC? I've installed it but can't find it anywhere
[21:18] <zleap> i would guess it auto starts
[21:18] <zleap> fayimora, try ps aux xbmc
[21:18] <zleap> hang on
[21:18] <pksato> fayimora: you sure was installed?
[21:19] <zleap> ps aux | grep xbmc should search the output of ps aux for the string xbmc
[21:19] <pksato> I getting erros to install xbmc.
[21:19] <zleap> what sort of errors
[21:19] <fayimora> well i installed it over ssh.. i'll reboot the pi
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[21:20] <zleap> ok
[21:21] <zleap> if you have a window with ssh in you can copy / paste the errors to pastebin and people here can help perhaps
[21:21] <pksato> dont have package xbmc-bin.
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[21:25] <fayimora> zleap: i installed using "sudo aptitude install xbmc xbmc-data"
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[21:25] <fayimora> still can't find the xvmc application
[21:25] <zleap> ok so that should pull in dependancies
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[21:26] <fayimora> zleap: so how do i start that application then?
[21:27] <ugg> xmbc can be started from the run dialog or via command line
[21:27] <zleap> i am trying to find out where the xbmc binary is
[21:27] <zleap> ugg, what do you type just xbmc in a run dialog
[21:27] <zleap> dialogue
[21:27] <ugg> yes
[21:27] <ugg> I do have xmbc bin though
[21:27] <pksato> I suspect what fayimora have a same problem what me.
[21:28] <fayimora> run dialog?
[21:28] <fayimora> what's that?
[21:28] <ugg> had to add an entry to sources.lst for it
[21:28] <zleap> the box that comes up wen you select run from the menus
[21:28] <ugg> run dialog in the ldxe menu
[21:28] <zleap> gives you a dialog box with run and space to type a command
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[21:28] <ugg> let me boot my pi and see what I added to sources.lst
[21:29] <ugg> I'm about to get a split personality
[21:29] <fayimora> Menu -> Run -> "xbmc"
[21:29] <fayimora> That didn't work
[21:29] <rymate1234> zleap, exit Xorg, then run "xbmc.bin" or "xbmc"
[21:29] <rymate1234> you don't need to run xbmc in lxde
[21:30] <rymate1234> afaik
[21:31] <fayimora> rymate1234: i've tried "xbmc" from terminal.. command not found
[21:31] <rymate1234> xbmc.bin
[21:31] <rymate1234> ?
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[21:32] <fayimora> command not found rymate1234
[21:32] <rymate1234> hmm
[21:32] <zleap> rymate1234, thanks,
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[21:33] <fayimora> zleap: is it working for you?
[21:33] <pw-> anyone have a suggestion for a good usb wifi adapter?
[21:33] <bsd1101> edimax 11un
[21:33] <rymate1234> if that doesn't work
[21:33] <edt_> beklin n300 just worked here
[21:33] <rymate1234> use this command to find the location of xbmc (hopefully!)
[21:33] <pw-> that's not the tiny edimax, is it?
[21:33] <fayimora> pw-: i got TP-LINK
[21:33] <rymate1234> find / -name 'xbmc' 2>/dev/null
[21:33] <bsd1101> it is pw
[21:33] <pw-> no, that one is terrible
[21:34] <pw-> i'm getting 3Mb from that one
[21:34] <pw-> two of them, same result
[21:34] <edt_> for xbmc in /etc/apt/sources.list I have
[21:34] <bsd1101> .....rly
[21:34] <edt_> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[21:34] <pw-> yeah, tested it on my desktop, getting 3Mbit
[21:34] <bsd1101> I have it but have ye4t to try testing it
[21:34] <fayimora> rymate1234: don't think it found anything
[21:34] <edt_> xbmc runs but is slow...
[21:34] <pksato> fayimora: read: http://michael.gorven.za.net/content/xbmc-raspberry-pi
[21:34] <fayimora> rymate1234: how did you install xbmc
[21:35] <bsd1101> even though on newegg it says up to 150mb data rates
[21:35] <rymate1234> I can't remember actually
[21:35] <edt_> you want to give the gpu 128m for it too
[21:35] <rymate1234> XD
[21:35] <pksato> xbmc on raspbian repo is broken.
[21:35] <rymate1234> its been like 2 months since I installed it
[21:36] <pw-> fayimora, what kind of speeds are you getting with your TP-LINK?
[21:36] <pw-> bsd1101, yeah, newegg says up to 150, so does the packaging
[21:36] <pw-> the packaging also misspells "adapter"
[21:36] <pw-> =P
[21:36] <pw-> apparently none of the tiny ones give good speed, sadly
[21:37] <edt_> with n300 I have not noticed much difference from wired...
[21:37] <fayimora> pw-: haven't checked.. i guess it's fast enough for me now
[21:37] <fayimora> pksato: ok thanks.. did you manage to get yours working?
[21:37] <bsd1101> now I'm going to check it
[21:37] <edt_> I ran wired for a few days, the n300 is about the same. what firmware (eg have you installed/used rpi-update ? )
[21:37] <pw-> i searched for the n300 on amazon and saw a router
[21:38] <pw-> no adapter named n300, though
[21:38] <pksato> fayimora: no. I waiting some updates to ends.
[21:38] <pw-> i might not be looking hard enough
[21:38] <edt_> there is a usb dongle too
[21:38] <fayimora> pksato: i'm getting tired already
[21:38] <pw-> would you happen to have a link?
[21:38] <pw-> is this it???http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Wireless-N-300-Adapter-WNA3100/dp/B003G2Z1M6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1356381517&sr=1-1&keywords=n300+adapter
[21:38] <edt_> n300 micro wireless usb adapter
[21:38] <zleap> what is the url for the pistore ?
[21:38] <edt_> is what is on the box
[21:38] <zleap> google isn't helping
[21:39] <edt_> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 050d:2103 Belkin Components F7D2102 802.11n N300 Micro Wireless Adapter v3000 [Realtek RTL8192CU]
[21:39] <atouk> store.raspberrypi.org
[21:39] <pw-> edt_, perfect, thanks =D
[21:40] <zleap> thanks
[21:40] <pw-> was it about $40?
[21:40] <edt_> for bluetooth I use:
[21:40] <edt_> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0cf3:3005 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR3011 Bluetooth
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[21:42] <edt_> also works out of the box though bt is a bit messy to get working. It does work with mouse and keyb when setup from the command line. I post in the rpi forums under user 'edtoml' my setup process
[21:42] <fayimora> pksato: please let me know if you manage to get yours working..
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[21:43] <edt_> for audio forget it for now. The usb drivers cannot handle the data protocol for bt a2dp without causing lots of random problems
[21:43] <edt_> from bluetooth stopping to the pi crashing and lots in between.
[21:44] <edt_> good new is I can reproduce the problem on demand so it should be fixable...
[21:45] <pksato> fayimora: it take a some time, my internet is very slow.
[21:45] <fayimora> pksato: no problem..
[21:46] <fayimora> i'm here all day
[21:46] <mbalho> noob question: for sensors and stuff that have analog interfaces what is the general purpose solution (if any) for using them with a pi?
[21:46] <edt_> for speeding up wireless there is a tip in the github firmware threads. Add smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N to the start of /boot/cmdline.txt
[21:46] <tonsofpcs> mbalho: how many do you need and what do you really need to sense?
[21:47] <atouk> gordon, you about and sober?
[21:48] <edt_> what it is supposed to do is (I think) is prevent the wired net from grapping all the bandwidth. There are still usb problems though with it added (even with the latest 3.6.11+ firmware from a few days back)
[21:48] <mbalho> tonsofpcs: your question to my question implies sometimes you need to add an ADC and sometimes you can get by with PWM?
[21:48] <tonsofpcs> mbalho: yes, and sometimes you can just find a gameport to USB adapter and use that :)
[21:48] <mbalho> ooh nice
[21:49] <tonsofpcs> (remember, normal gameports have 3 analog inputs)
[21:49] <tonsofpcs> don't ask me how to deal with it on the code side, I haven't done it on a pi and last I built a gameport sampling box was about 10 years ago
[21:49] <tonsofpcs> ('game pads' actually used to use X and Y for directionals and Z was a bunch of buttons with different resistnaces so they could figure out which one(s) were being pressed)
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[21:50] * zleap remembers the spectrum game port
[21:50] <zleap> if in 31=16 then fire
[21:50] <zleap> if in 31=1 then move up
[21:50] <tonsofpcs> and sometimes you can get by with two transistors and proper components around them for what you need ;)
[21:50] <zleap> sort of thing
[21:51] <mbalho> cool
[21:51] <tonsofpcs> (for min/max detection)
[21:52] <tonsofpcs> gpio control systems are nothing new. you can probably find tricks by googling around :) i gotta run
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[21:55] <fayimora> is there anyone running xbmc on raspbian here? I'm about to give up oo the pi
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[21:56] <sebsebseb> Rassbery Pi, Rassbery Pi, Rassbery Pi, so much hype this year, meant to be quite good though I know, and they are cheap, but then need stuff for it to
[21:56] <sebsebseb> so
[21:56] <sebsebseb> seriosuly thinking about buying one soon now :)
[21:56] <pw-> i'm running raspbmc, loving it
[21:57] <sebsebseb> ,but need this and that with it really I guess so, what's the best bundle to buy or whatever for hte Model B?
[21:59] <atouk> most of the bundles are overpriced
[21:59] <sebsebseb> atouk: oh
[21:59] <bsd1101> anyone else buy the aluminum case ?
[21:59] <sebsebseb> well going to need some stuff for it I guess so...
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[21:59] <Mogwai> Jolly greetings to all! I need a brave volunteer to help me test an image writer for OSX! You also need to have an internal SD card slot and one SD card that you can overwrite without crying. You'll be helping lots of poor Apple geeks all around the world! :)
[22:00] <edt_> buy a pi & case. go to your local computer store and buy a 2 amp (10watt) usb power supply, usb keyb and mouse and an hdmi cable to bring video to your tv.
[22:00] <edt_> mod 2 with 512m is nice
[22:01] <atouk> or just a sd card, and cord to power it from computer usb, and plug into the rj45 for internet. run headless until you decide what you wnt to do with it
[22:02] <edt_> if you buy a usb hub make sure its powered (if not it MIGHT work for some dongles...)
[22:02] <_ds_> cord? I'd rather use cable.
[22:03] <sebsebseb> Can you have more than one
[22:03] <sebsebseb> OS on the rassbery pi?
[22:03] <sebsebseb> like a normal computer?
[22:04] <zleap> i guess to do that yoiu buy more than 1 card and swap em over
[22:04] <Mogwai> sebsebseb: Yes - http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/berryboot
[22:04] <sebsebseb> zleap: ok you are in here :d
[22:04] <bjp> well, if it supporst a bootloader like grub where you can choose a partition?
[22:04] <sebsebseb> yep that's what I mean
[22:04] <sebsebseb> via a bootloader
[22:04] <sebsebseb> and partitions I guessl ike a normal computer to :D
[22:04] <zleap> yeah
[22:05] <zleap> ok i stand corrected, bjp can help with this
[22:05] <zleap> sebsebseb, what are you going to use a Pi for, if not programming ?
[22:05] <sebsebseb> edt_: I would have it connected to this monitor at times, but yeah possbily a TV to so
[22:05] <bjp> i've never used one for the pi, but Mogwai's link seems to have one
[22:06] <sebsebseb> zleap: well might try something programming on a pi depends I guess
[22:06] <mbalho> sebsebseb: just buy two sd cards :)
[22:06] <sebsebseb> zleap: try some PI OS's on it?
[22:06] <sebsebseb> plus like I said, then I can be like hey I Got one to to people :d
[22:06] <sebsebseb> heh heh
[22:06] <sebsebseb> and might acstauly go to a Rassbery Jam once got one
[22:06] <sebsebseb> a bit sily to go without I guess
[22:07] <sebsebseb> mbalho: yeah quite cheap SD cards I guess so yeah
[22:07] <sebsebseb> I was thinking that to, might be a good idea to have two actsauly
[22:07] <bjp> they are pretty cheap
[22:08] <sebsebseb> plus loasd of OS's are going to get ported to Rassbery Pi
[22:08] <sebsebseb> Linux disributions I mean anyway
[22:08] <sebsebseb> I expect so
[22:08] <mbalho> i wonder how barebones raspbian is
[22:08] <mbalho> on a scale of 0 - 10
[22:09] <bjp> not as barebones as the arch image
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[22:09] <mbalho> bjp: do you know a good writeup on the differences?
[22:09] <sebsebseb> edt_: buy the case with the pi? or doesn't it come in one?
[22:09] <bjp> no, i've just tried both in my pi
[22:09] <Toothpick> does anyone has any recommendation of a good alternative for xbmc?
[22:09] <bjp> the arch image has very little by default
[22:10] <bjp> but they both have package managers that you can use to install what you want
[22:11] <bjp> i have arch running on my pi right nwo and it's using 18mb ram
[22:12] <mbalho> for things like dimming an LED in a loop with software PWM i wonder if it is more steady on arch than on raspbian (it flickers on raspian due to linux kernel GC etc)
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[22:16] <pksato> fayimora: you here?
[22:16] <fayimora> pksato yoope
[22:17] <fayimora> sup?
[22:17] <atouk> looks like gordon isn't around. i need someone with good eyes and knows the pinouts to test something
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[22:18] <fayimora> pksato:
[22:19] <pksato> fayimora: flow http://pastebin.com/0PThVYtV
[22:19] <fayimora> pksato: did it work for you?
[22:20] <pksato> yes
[22:20] <fayimora> pksato: amazing.. i'll try it now
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[22:22] <bjp> is there a way to get an android xbmc remote working over BT instead of wifi?
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[22:23] <pksato> fayimora: I miss one command
[22:23] <fayimora> oops
[22:24] <pksato> do aptitude update
[22:24] <fayimora> oh yeah
[22:24] <pksato> before aptitude install xmbc
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[22:28] <fayimora> pksato: did you get some dependency errors?
[22:28] <fayimora> like
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[22:28] <fayimora> Depends: xbmc-bin (>= 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1) which is a virtual package.
[22:28] <fayimora> or
[22:28] <fayimora> Depends: ttf-liberation but it is not going to be installed.
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[22:30] <pksato> some wrong
[22:31] <pksato> echo "deb http://archive.mene.za.net/raspbian wheezy contrib" >>/etc/apt/source.list
[22:31] <pksato> aptitude update; aptitude install xbmc
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[22:37] <fayimora> pksato: still getting dependency errors for xbmc-bin
[22:37] <fayimora> arrghh i'm gonna cry soon
[22:38] <pksato> nano /etc/apt/source.list
[22:38] <pksato> and see if line: deb http://archive.mene.za.net/raspbian wheezy contrib
[22:38] <pksato> is present
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[22:40] <pksato> ohh... miss again.
[22:40] <pksato> correct is /etc/apt/sources.list
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[22:40] <fayimora> phew ok
[22:40] <troulouliou_dev> hi does i have access to all the debian package from the official distro with the raspbian distro? would like to buy one to replace my X86 server using apache/redmine/ssh/svn/git server
[22:43] <fayimora> pksato: sure nothing else is missing? still getting the erroor
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[22:44] <fayimora> pksato: http://tinypic.com/r/4sl3cj/6
[22:44] <pksato> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:45] <pksato> aptitude update
[22:45] <pksato> you cancel it.
[22:46] <fayimora> pksato: shouldn't it be "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/mene.list" ?
[22:49] <fayimora> pksato: i'm a bit confused
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[22:50] <CyberJacob> Hi Guys!
[22:50] <ScarletSwordfish> hi!
[22:51] <CyberJacob> anybody know about getting ALSA working on the Pi?
[22:51] <pksato> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and append line: deb http://archive.mene.za.net/raspbian wheezy contrib
[22:51] <CyberJacob> I can play one file, but anything after that just causes a play to hang
[22:51] <pksato> use nano to do
[22:52] <CyberJacob> I already have it installed
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[23:00] <john_f> CyberJacob: don't bypass dmix by using hw0:0 in your output settings
[23:00] <fayimora> pksato: how long did it take to install xbmc?
[23:01] <CyberJacob> john_f: what should I use?
[23:02] <CyberJacob> fayimora: took me about five minutes plus built-in download using the OSX python installer
[23:02] <monkers> i have a Samsung power plug with a motorola USB cable... am i safe?
[23:02] <john_f> CyberJacob: don't set it, just tell the application to use alsa
[23:03] <john_f> monkers: if the amperage of the adapter is over 700mA it is ok
[23:03] <monkers> 5v @ 1A
[23:03] <CyberJacob> john_f: I'm using aplay to play the sample WAV files, which should use it, right?
[23:04] <john_f> CyberJacob: yes
[23:04] <CyberJacob> john_f: then that isn't resolving the issue
[23:06] <troulouliou_dev> hi is there an official repo with redmine for raspbian ?
[23:06] * monkers needs help :(
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[23:07] <john_f> CyberJacob: you are running aplay twice?
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[23:08] <CyberJacob> john_f: nope, just once with multiple input files
[23:08] <CyberJacob> but any time after that (even with one input file) just causes it to hang
[23:09] <monkers> if i disconnect/reconnect the rpi it will boot ok. if i issue a shutdown -r or reboot, it does not boot all the way up. anyone know whats goin on? using wheezy raspbian
[23:09] <pksato> fayimora: update instructions: http://pastebin.com/wXEMxJ0U
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[23:10] <Takyoji> Any practical approach to having a full-screen Webkit window, and no desktop environment nor window borders?
[23:11] <dRbiG> run it from .xinitc
[23:11] <dRbiG> .xinitrc*
[23:11] <dRbiG> i did soe with chromium, there was some magic -switch for 'kiosk' mode
[23:11] <Takyoji> Nice
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[23:12] <dRbiG> though not on the rpi, but the idea is the same
[23:12] <Aranel[Pi]> is there any alternatives to Subsonic for playing media on browser/on Pi?
[23:12] <Takyoji> I'm contemplating on having a little basic display; showing the time, weather, forecast, and an option for radar.
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[23:13] <dRbiG> Takyoji:
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[23:13] <dRbiG> Takyoji: the 'frame' runs chromium in kiosk mode pointed at a local website, which is generated by a script (plus have a js clock)
[23:14] <Hopsy> hi, I have flashed raspberry wheezy on a 8gb SD. there is one partition with 2gb, the other 6gb disappeared, help?!
[23:14] <CyberJacob> dRbiG: That's a very nice collection of files you have there???
[23:14] <john_f> Hopsy: you have to expand the partition
[23:15] <Hopsy> how?
[23:15] <john_f> and filesystemd
[23:15] <john_f> s/d//
[23:17] <john_f> Hopsy: gparted
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[23:18] <john_f> or delete, add a bigger partition, resize2fs
[23:18] <john_f> in another machine
[23:21] <biberao> yo
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[23:28] <monkers> can i flash an SD card through my digital camera?
[23:29] <nid0> if your camera can present it as mass storage, sure
[23:30] * Snuupy is now known as SnuMas
[23:32] <monkers> looks hopeful
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[23:37] <xrosnight> unfortunately, Rasp Pi doesn't support my keyboard!!!
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[23:38] <atouk> which keyboard
[23:38] <xrosnight> which means i have no ways to initiate my Rasp Pi ..
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[23:39] <xrosnight> not a brand one. it's a generic one :(
[23:39] <atouk> then just hook it up to the network ans ssh in
[23:39] <xrosnight> but it works on any platforms, Mac OS, Linux, Windows XP, 7,8 . Only not on Rasp
[23:40] <FerkSwe> Hey, does anyone have a link to some simple project one could do just to test out what the Pi can do? Something that uses the expansion thingies mabe?
[23:40] <atouk> try gordon's site wiringpi
[23:41] <xrosnight> i mean i need to initiate the Raspberry when i insert the new SD card
[23:41] <FerkSwe> On it
[23:41] <FerkSwe> Interesting
[23:41] <atouk> if you're running raaspbian, ssh is enabled by default
[23:42] <atouk> other flavors might be, but i don't know which do and dont
[23:42] <xrosnight> then how to get to the "window of raspi-config " ?
[23:42] <atouk> install putty on your pc, and then just use that to talk to the pi over the network
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[23:43] <xrosnight> atouk: i know that. i mean how to initiate raspberry pi. finish the whole installation steps
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[23:44] <atouk> just plug the card in, let it boot, and then open a terminal via ssh
[23:44] <atouk> you can run raspi-config, etc from there
[23:45] <nickwebcouk> Quick question, and I'm probably not seeing the woods for the trees - but is there a quick and simple guide for only booting the pi from an SD card, but having everything else (including /usr) on an external drive or usb stick?
[23:45] <xrosnight> alright. let me try. usually how long does it take to boot? atouk
[23:45] <atouk> less than a minute
[23:45] <xrosnight> i thought it was less than 30 sec
[23:46] <atouk> well, that's less than a minute
[23:47] * TAFB_nap is now known as TAFB_ssd
[23:48] <xrosnight> atouk: i don't use a brand tf card whose reading speed is less than 10 mbps. it also needs 1 min to boot
[23:48] <xrosnight> TAFB_ssd: hey whats up
[23:49] <TAFB_ssd> not much!
[23:49] <TAFB_ssd> I got my status page 95% finished :)
[23:49] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.yi.org/
[23:49] <xrosnight> TAFB_ssd: i got my rasp today
[23:49] <TAFB_ssd> all of my websites are running on the Seagate box :)
[23:49] <xrosnight> i mean yesterday hours ago.
[23:50] <TAFB_ssd> just gotta get e-mail working and BOOM, no more servers in my house (cept little ones).
[23:50] <xrosnight> TAFB_ssd: that's great
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[23:50] <TAFB_ssd> xrosnight: congrats!
[23:50] <TAFB_ssd> you get er set up yet!?
[23:50] <xrosnight> yi.org ? that's your website?
[23:50] <TAFB_ssd> na,,, it's a domain forwarding service.
[23:50] <xrosnight> such a short domain name . i guess you might posses it many years ago
[23:50] <TAFB_ssd> you can use toysareforboys.com or toysareforboys.no-ip.info to get to me
[23:51] <TAFB_ssd> I own tafb.xxx
[23:51] <TAFB_ssd> but I don't link that much cause it's blocked for so many people ;)
[23:51] <_yac_> it's part of the illegal internet?
[23:51] <TAFB_ssd> porno internet, so lots of work routers block it
[23:51] <xrosnight> TAFB_ssd: maybe it's because of the DNS server
[23:51] <xrosnight> alright ;D i see
[23:52] <_yac_> what, you mean there's a part of the internet not consumed with porn?
[23:52] <TAFB_ssd> xrosnight: maybe, i dun kno dns ;)
[23:53] <TAFB_ssd> anybody camping out overnight to score any boxing day deals? I just got all the boxingday flyers now... must.... resist...
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[23:57] <atouk> anyone here want to do a quick prooofread?
[23:58] <nickwebcouk> Quick question, and I'm probably not seeing the woods for the trees - but is there a quick and simple guide for only booting the pi from an SD card, but having everything else (including /usr) on an external drive or usb stick?
[23:58] <TAFB_ssd> atouk: as long as it's not php code, sure.
[23:58] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[23:58] <nickwebcouk> The FAQ only says the HD can take over - but no link to any articls,,
[23:58] <atouk> http://www.atouk.com/wordpress/?page_id=238
[23:59] <atouk> i just need to make sure the pins are assigned correctly
[23:59] <atouk> (pipins)
[23:59] <TAFB_ssd> nickwebcouk: there is a good guide on doing it, that's how I run, but I'm a noob, so can't help you :(
[23:59] <TAFB_ssd> atouk: wow, that wordpress is fast, running on the Pi?
[23:59] <atouk> no
[23:59] <nickwebcouk> TAFB_ssd: I dont suppose you have any links I can read up on?

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