#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-26

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[0:00] <fayimora> markit: everything is working :D
[0:00] <WorkGroup> ohh okay
[0:00] <markit> fayimora: :)
[0:00] <fayimora> thanks for your time markit
[0:01] <fayimora> Hey guys, what can i do to make xbmc faster? Takes like 4secs to open a selection
[0:01] <TAFB> overclockin
[0:01] <TAFB> 42% faster at 1ghz
[0:01] * rikai_ (~rikai@unaffiliated/rikai) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
[0:02] <Torikun> it shpuld be oc by default i thought
[0:02] <fayimora> TAFB: what are the drawbacks of that?
[0:02] <WorkGroup> TAFB Did you know externel Temperature sensors? for met temperature outside?
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[0:02] <fayimora> TAFB: i was already looking at this http://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/how-to-overclock-raspberry-pi/
[0:02] <Torikun> uname -a
[0:02] <TAFB> fayimora: no draw backs as long as you got a good microUSB cable and power supply = nice and stable.
[0:02] <xrosnight> rats! rasp doesn't recognize my keyboard well. that's the only usb keyboard of me!! what should i do ....
[0:03] <TAFB> xrosnight: buy $6 usb keyboard
[0:03] <fayimora> TAFB: cool.. i can do it via rapi-config right?
[0:03] <Launch_Director> xrosnight: try with synergy
[0:03] <TAFB> fayimora: raspi-config for 1ghz sucks donkey balls
[0:03] <Launch_Director> xrosnight: or VNC, or ssh
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[0:03] <TAFB> fayimora: try http://pastebin.com/1aBsWs87
[0:03] <fayimora> TAFB: so how will you advise i do it?
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[0:04] <xrosnight> Launch_Director: what do you mean synergy ?
[0:04] <xrosnight> TAFB: damn. i don't like be force to buy keyboards , cause have another 2 PS/2 keyboards already
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[0:04] <TAFB> rofl
[0:04] <TAFB> PS/2?
[0:04] <TAFB> lol
[0:04] <Launch_Director> which is the one that dynamically OC's based on load
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[0:04] <fayimora> TAFB: thanks??? doesn't really give instructions though.. like where do i place this config.txt?
[0:04] <xrosnight> TAFB: another two desktop pc
[0:04] <TAFB> christmas dinner has arrived... yummmm pizza :) brb.
[0:05] * TAFB is now known as TAFB_pizza
[0:05] <Dr_willis> just 2 keyboards? I must have a box of like 49 of them...
[0:05] <xrosnight> merry christmas , guys!
[0:05] * Launch_Director has 104 keyboards
[0:05] <xrosnight> Dr_willis: you got so many ,lol
[0:05] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:05] <Dr_willis> even got some of those old old intel clicky-clacky keyboards
[0:05] <Dr_willis> ;)
[0:05] <xrosnight> Launch_Director: are you selling keyboards?
[0:05] <Dr_willis> with the big huge ps port plugs
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[0:06] <CarlFK> I have a webcam that works on my ubuntu box. what's an app to just display the image on the screen? likx xawtv.. only that throws an error about "Missing charsets in String to Fontset conversion"
[0:06] <xrosnight> yeah. are those PS/2 keyboards out of date ?
[0:06] <Launch_Director> xrosnight: nah 104 is a good number to keep
[0:06] <frikinz> CarlFK: cheese
[0:07] <CarlFK> not found
[0:07] * Xtrato (~2600Hertz@host81-135-85-186.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) Quit ()
[0:07] <CarlFK> frikinz: is that a package I need to isntall?
[0:08] <frikinz> if you mean on the PI, I have no idea what is ported
[0:08] <CarlFK> frikinz: yeah.. on the pi
[0:09] <deps> (OSX) well, can't seem to find out how to mount the SD card to show me all the partitions. I only get one directory with the kernel and a bunch of other files. The rest of the OS files seems to be on another partition I am unable to reach.
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[0:10] <gordonDrogon> deps, can osx read ext4?
[0:10] * SupaYoshi (SupaYoshi@ip4da5d319.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:11] <SupaYoshi> How is the Joomla performance on the pi? 512 mb/
[0:11] <deps> gordonDrogon: Don't know. I assume now that It cannot.
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> deps, probably unlikely, but I don't know much about mac/osx..
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[0:13] <xrosnight> so . for me . in this case, without keyboard support, can raspberry pi be installed ???anyway
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, yes it can - you need to ssh in via LAN once it's booted.
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[0:15] <Tirili> Hi
[0:15] <Hopsy> markedathome: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14034637/wakeonlan-and-etherwake-doesnt-work
[0:16] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon: the thing is i can't type anything to make it run initially via ssh port
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> how can you wak on lan when the Pi doesn't sleep...
[0:16] <SupaYoshi> ?
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, can you identify its IP address & ping it?
[0:16] <deps> Thanks for the help! It's late and I need to sleep and sober up. Still haven't been able to SSH into my RPi but it feels like I??m getting closer. Guess I have to wait until I get home so I can log on to the router and find the IP. Night!
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[0:16] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: I am waking up my pc!
[0:16] <xrosnight> yeah
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[0:16] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, a-ha :)
[0:17] <markedathome> which machine is .110? the pc?
[0:17] <Hopsy> yes
[0:17] <Hopsy> 120 is pi
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, I'm under the impression that ssh is enabled by defaut in raspbian, but it's been a long time since I've installed from scratch now..
[0:17] <Tirili> Is there a website which explains well how to work with the debian squeeze rasbpi version? Like changing ip address etc? Are there guis for it or must I use ifconfig and other command line tools?
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> Tirili, google debian sysadmin
[0:17] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon: i used " nmap -sV -p22" and get its ip , host is on, but ssh closed...
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, in that case I'm not sure what to do next...
[0:18] <markedathome> Hopsy: can you run tcpdump?
[0:18] <Tirili> thanks :)
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> Tirili, Raspbian is debian and there is a wealth of information out there about debian.
[0:18] <Tirili> ok
[0:18] <Hopsy> where markedathome?
[0:19] * TAFB_pizza is now known as TAFB
[0:19] <Hopsy> on raspberrypi?
[0:19] <markedathome> Hopsy: and which OS? I'm just about to flash a raspi image
[0:19] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon: i am just hugging my non-supported keyboard to wish some miracles coming
[0:19] <Hopsy> win 7
[0:19] <markedathome> raspi OS? wheezy 2012-16-12? or earlier?
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, all out of miracles I'm afraid..
[0:19] <Hopsy> ow wheezy
[0:20] <markedathome> tcpdump on raspi, or wireshark on win7 (which will see if packets are making it on to the network at least)
[0:20] <Hopsy> 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img
[0:20] <Hopsy> this one
[0:21] <markedathome> oh right, give me some time to flash my new toy :-)
[0:21] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon: hoppe so. if i need a new keyboard, tehn it would be a wireless one. i saw MK240 is almost perfect. handy and tiny
[0:22] <Tirili> gordonDrogon: Is there no root account?
[0:22] <Tirili> What is the default root pw?
[0:22] <Hopsy> markedathome: how do you use tcpdump? -a ?
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[0:25] <markedathome> Hopsy: you know, I am so used to wireshark, I havecompletely forgotten how to look for magic packets...
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[0:27] <SupaYoshi> is raspberry capable of running a joomla website for private use?
[0:27] <markedathome> Hopsy: 1. Start by going to control panel, clicking on ?network and sharing center? and select ?Change Adaptor Settings? on the left-hand side.
[0:27] <markedathome> 2. Right-Click on your network device and go to properties
[0:27] <SupaYoshi> internal
[0:28] <markedathome> 3. Under the device list, there should be a ?configure? button, click this and go to the ?Power Management? Tab
[0:28] <markedathome> 4. Make sure the settings for ?allow this device to wake up the computer? and ?Only allow a magic packet to wake up this computer? are checked, and click OK
[0:29] <markedathome> Hopsy: tcpdump -i ethX udp port 9
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[0:29] <markedathome> replace ethX with the interface name
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[0:30] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/9179900b3c12948dd86828e1b604f13e.png?1356478196
[0:31] <Amadiro> Has anybody ever managed to log in with the youtube plugin in raspbmc?
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[0:32] <yellowfish> can I use the Pi as a programmable processor like the Arduino?
[0:32] <Amadiro> yellowfish, depends on what exactly you want to do with it.
[0:32] <Amadiro> yellowfish, the pi is programmable -- like the arduino, and it has GPIO pins -- like the arduino
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> Tirili, no root password by default, so can't login as root - normally login as 'pi' then sudo/su ...
[0:32] <Amadiro> but there are a lot of differences.
[0:33] <yellowfish> GPIO are like the I/O pins on arduino?
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[0:33] <gordonDrogon> yellowfish, more or less - but 3.3v only.
[0:33] <Amadiro> yellowfish, they are 3.3V and have different specs for how much current they can source/sink and how much voltage they tolerate.
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> only one hardware PWM and no analog.
[0:33] <bcd> Anyone here into home automation?
[0:33] <Amadiro> and yeah -- no ADC.
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[0:35] <Hopsy> markedathome: http://gyazo.com/2afc50f2f380a178632d62af297e95a4.png?1356478489
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[0:35] <Hopsy> I dont even know why I am hiding my mac address :')
[0:36] <Hopsy> is it vulnerable?
[0:36] <Amadiro> its the only thing that makes you special.
[0:36] <markedathome> not really
[0:38] <bcd> none of these home automation guys are on irc, lol
[0:38] <Hopsy> markedathome: when I try your command nothing happens?
[0:38] <Amadiro> bcd, I've automated various things before.
[0:39] <Hopsy> > $ sudo tcpdump -i eth0 udp port 9
[0:39] <bcd> I'm looking for an extensive hardware to interface with rpi
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[0:39] <gordonDrogon> bcd, I've done some stuff, but I reckon replacing some old ways with computers might not be the best way all the time...
[0:39] <Amadiro> bcd, what kind of hardware
[0:39] <bcd> I know some of those IBM UK guys were doing it, but they never mentioned what hardware they were running
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[0:39] <Amadiro> what do you want to control and how
[0:39] <bcd> For the actual automation. Are they using zigbee base radios, x10, etc...
[0:40] <gordonDrogon> if you want to DIY, then once you've connected up one SSR without electrocuting yourself or blowing up the Pi, then the rest becomes easy...
[0:40] <Amadiro> in principle, you can use the GPIO pins or attach any microcontroller to the rpi via usb (like an arduino/teensy/stellaris launchpad/whatever) to control things.
[0:40] <gordonDrogon> personally, the last thing I'd do is use a wireless solution to control anything. Monitor yes, control no.
[0:40] <Amadiro> Then you can control about anything with that
[0:40] <markedathome> Hopsy: use alt-f2 and log in on console screen to tcpdump, then switch back alt-f1 and run the etherwake / wakeonlan command, then switch back to the tcpdump screen to see what is happening
[0:40] <bcd> mmm. arduino looks pretty amateur from what I saw
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[0:41] <gordonDrogon> bcd, arduinos have been into space.
[0:41] <bcd> I wanted to go from USB straight to a microcontroller, with the rpi making all the decisions
[0:41] <markedathome> or have two terms in a window session if you have monitor / tv output from the pi
[0:41] <Amadiro> bcd, arduino is certainly not geared towards home automation in particular, but there is probably no particular reason to not use it
[0:41] <gordonDrogon> bcd, an arduino guided a model glider 22 miles recently too.
[0:41] <bcd> gordonDrogon, you can say that for a lot of things. what was it actually tasked with?
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[0:41] <Amadiro> but once you've figured out what you want, there will probably be alternatives that are better
[0:41] <bcd> yeah
[0:41] <Amadiro> where better means cheaper, taking less power, smaller, mostly.
[0:42] <bcd> so arduino, is there a limit on the GPIO's?
[0:42] <Amadiro> what kind of limit
[0:42] <gordonDrogon> depends on the arduino.
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[0:42] <Hopsy> markedathome: http://superuser.com/questions/524158/wakeonlan-and-etherwake-doesnt-work
[0:42] <bcd> Can I only interface with so many devices?
[0:42] <Hopsy> what is superuser?
[0:42] <Amadiro> bcd, there is a limited number of GPIO pins, yes
[0:42] <gordonDrogon> you can interface to gpio expanders.
[0:42] <Hopsy> ow wait, nevermind
[0:42] <bcd> lols ^
[0:42] <markedathome> linux / unix administration questions
[0:42] <Amadiro> bcd, there are models that have more pins and models that have less pins
[0:42] <gordonDrogon> people are controlling 1000's of LEDs individually with a Pi.
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> the limit is your imagination.
[0:43] <bcd> Ah, okay. On adafruit I had only seen one model but I may not have been looking hard enough
[0:43] <Amadiro> bcd, for things that are not extremely timing-critical, you can use shift-registers to get arbitrarily many GPIO pins.
[0:43] <bcd> hence I wanted to find a channel around here dedicated to it so I could ask the critical questions
[0:43] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: and the shwartzchild horizon.
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> radius
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:44] <Amadiro> its schwartzschild radius, broham
[0:44] <bcd> Amadiro: the last thing I want to do is start hardwiring resistors and whatnot. I saw those methods, and that's an imitation of automation.
[0:44] <Amadiro> without the t, actually
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> bcd, if you want a plug & play solution then Arduino or Pi is not really for you.
[0:44] <Amadiro> bcd, resistors? you need resistors for about everything
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> although there are ready to go relay boards, etc.
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[0:44] <bcd> Not entirely
[0:44] <Amadiro> bcd, you won't be able to do anything if you don't want to wire resistors
[0:44] <SupaYoshi> does anyone know a good twitter bot?
[0:44] <bcd> A zigbee system just receives radio waves
[0:45] <Amadiro> not even turn an LED on/off
[0:45] <bcd> It interprets the data and processes the commands on a local level
[0:45] <bcd> which is basically two commands, status or update
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/arduinoBoardMega2560 <- 54 IO's
[0:45] <bcd> RPi would be the brain/webserver to the unit
[0:46] <markedathome> SupaYoshi: to post to twitter or to read from a twitter stream?
[0:46] <Nunnsy> Hey guys, just a little problem with my Rasp Pi... It's having difficulties connected to the internet via the web browser and hangs on a wget command. Funny enough, ping and traceroute both work perfectly... Any ideas?
[0:46] <bcd> Amadiro, do you see what I'm saying though?
[0:47] <Amadiro> bcd, no, you're not making sense at all.
[0:47] <Hopsy> markedathome: no nothing
[0:47] <bcd> Well, do you know how zigbee radios work?
[0:47] <Hopsy> appears
[0:47] <Amadiro> bcd, but as gordonDrogon said, if you don't want to make things yourself, arduino/pi is probably not what you want
[0:47] <Amadiro> bcd, yes, but what has that to do with anything
[0:48] <bcd> lol, you're putting me down before you let me explain myself
[0:48] <yellowfish> the Pi doesn't have wifi slot rght?
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> bcd, what exactly do you want to do?
[0:48] <Amadiro> yellowfish, what's a "wifi slot"?
[0:48] <SpeedEvil> yellowfish: correct
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> yellowfish, it has USB - so use a USB wifi dongle.
[0:48] <bcd> I want to find the hardware that sends out the zigbee signals
[0:48] <bcd> You can't just "find" a zigbee interface for a computer
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> why not?
[0:48] <yellowfish> is the usb wifi adapater the same quality as a built in one?
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> bcd: a ZigBee tranciever of some form.
[0:49] <bcd> gordonDrogon: Because usually they're tied together in a manufactured fashion
[0:49] <Amadiro> bcd, sure you can, but why would you want to use zigbee
[0:49] <bcd> SpeedEvil: Yes
[0:49] <Amadiro> yellowfish, the raspberry pi has no built-in wifi adapter.
[0:49] <Amadiro> and quality in laptop varies
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bitbang.co.uk/rpi.html
[0:49] <bcd> Amadiro: modern home automation/signal reproduction functions on zigbee due to the size of the home
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> bcd, http://www.bitbang.co.uk/rpi.html
[0:49] <SpeedEvil> bcd: start with step 0. what are you trying to do?
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> zigbee adapter for raspberry pi.
[0:49] <frikinz> Nunnsy: ping and traceroute of an IP vs wget an IP?
[0:50] <yellowfish> ok, so what are some actual "practical" DIY stuff I can hack around with the Pi
[0:50] <Amadiro> bcd, okay, so just have a central control unit then, and sattellites in your house that receive commands via zigbee
[0:50] <yellowfish> im thinking of getting one and programming it for fun like the Arduino, but not sure if it's worth it
[0:50] <bcd> lol, it's not a satellite
[0:50] <bcd> nevermind...
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> Nunnsy, unusual, but it could be MTU problem..
[0:50] <Amadiro> bcd, satellite in the sense of "external node that receives and possibly relays commands"
[0:50] <Amadiro> not in the literal sense
[0:51] <bcd> I feel like I'm getting trolled right now
[0:51] <Amadiro> each satellite can be something simple like a teensy or arduino or whatever
[0:51] <Nunnsy> Hmm, gimme 5 minutes I'm gonna try something else.
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> bcd, maybe we feel you're trolling us..
[0:51] <bcd> lol, that would be counter-productive...
[0:51] <markedathome> Hopsy: nothing is being broadcast not even arp queries? ping 192.168.x.255 where x is your network address and 255 is the broadcast and all devices should respond
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> ah well. too tired to care right now as it's bed O'Clock here.
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[0:52] <markedathome> bcd: gordonDrogon: eve alpha - wireless upto 4 radio types for rpi http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ciseco/eve-alpha-raspberry-pi-wireless-development-hardwa
[0:52] <bcd> The problem is, it's not even semi-pratical run a bunch of cables across my house to IO ports
[0:52] <Amadiro> I found it practical
[0:53] <Amadiro> but whatever, if you don't want to, use zigbee instead
[0:53] <Hopsy> markedathome: when I do sudo tcpdump -a I see arp requests
[0:53] <Amadiro> doesn't really change anything, except everything gets a lot more expensive
[0:53] <Amadiro> and a little more complicated, too
[0:53] <Hopsy> but, when I typ in sudo tcpdump -i eth0 udp port 9 nothing appears
[0:54] <bcd> Well I appreciate the help gents
[0:54] <bcd> That command seems really ass backwards
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[0:54] <bcd> tcp and udp in the same command string, lol
[0:55] <Nunnsy> Alright, this is a little strange, the internet connection works in the webbrowser and wget... But overall it's impossibly slow.
[0:55] <CarlFK> what is the command to bring up the config thing that comes up on the first boot of 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian.img
[0:55] <Amadiro> CarlFK, raspi-config
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[0:55] <markedathome> nothing should appear until you do wakeonlan or etherwake. the udp port 9 parameter means listen and display all udp packets going to port 9, so until something is broadcasting nothing will be seen
[0:56] <CarlFK> da - thanks Amadiro
[0:56] <Hopsy> its still pinging :p
[0:56] <markedathome> right, you should see with a ping
[0:57] <markedathome> rpi - . who has <>
[0:57] <markedathome> pc -> i do <ma.ca.dd.re.ss>
[0:57] <markedathome> rpi ping packet
[0:58] <markedathome> pc ping response
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[0:58] <Hopsy> http://gyazo.com/9e5c930076ec5718596126056469b15d.png?1356479840
[0:58] <markedathome> that is assuming the pc is up
[0:58] <Hopsy> still pinging... :'(
[0:59] <Hopsy> markedathome: I am connected by VNC, should that make it harder to find?
[0:59] <pksato> http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6181/rpigpiolcd01.jpg
[0:59] <Nunnsy> Okay, don't know why this is happening. My Rasp Pi has a direct connection to my router and it can't even keep a stable connection to DL 600kb.
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[1:00] <markedathome> nope, the udp port 9 restricts to only that protocol and port, otherwise you'd have scrolls of tcpdump
[1:00] <pksato> http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3420/rpigpiolcd02.jpg
[1:00] <Nunnsy> The router has given it a static IP but it says the connection is fine.
[1:00] <Nunnsy> ifconfig -a has the correct IP's too
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[1:01] <TheLogan> Hi folks =)
[1:01] <Hopsy> pksato: can you write my name on it?
[1:01] <pksato> Hopsy: yes
[1:02] <Hopsy> make a picture of it :p
[1:02] <markedathome> Hopsy: is the pc on address .1.110 and the pi on 1.120?
[1:02] <Hopsy> yes!
[1:02] <Hopsy> still pinging btw
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[1:03] <pksato> but, actualy, I cant write arbitrary text.
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[1:04] <TheLogan> I just got my Raspberry as a present yesterday (yay), anyway I'm sitting playing around with it now, I'm really new to linux, and I'm trying to get wireless network on it, but I'm not 100% sure how to do it. I have a Cisco ae2600 wifi usb thingy attached in it. and if i write 'lsusb' it shows up there, does that mean that it is recognized and working?
[1:05] <mgottschlag> TheLogan: not necessarily, lsusb shows all devices, even if no driver is available or the device is not configured properly
[1:05] <Nunnsy> gordonDrogon. what were you saying about a possible MTU problem?
[1:05] <Moopington> I have no idea, but I can help you get it connected. XD If you startx, there's an easy gui way to get it working
[1:05] <mgottschlag> so you have to set wifi up first
[1:05] <markedathome> Hopsy: well the is effectively global broadcast ( to port 9 (discard) and it is going out through eth0.
[1:06] <Amadiro> TheLogan, what does "ifconfig" say?
[1:07] <TheLogan> with ifconfig my ip would be after "inet addr:" ?
[1:07] <markedathome> TheLogan: yes
[1:07] <TheLogan> it says
[1:08] <TheLogan> oh
[1:08] <TheLogan> there was just some lag from when i pulled the lan on it
[1:08] <Tirili> How can I start the small config program again which is automatically started when I boot the raspberrypi debian squeeze for the first time?
[1:09] <TheLogan> it no longer gives me an ip adress, so i suspect that it is at least not connected to a network anymore, I'm not sure what else can be pulled from the print it does with ifconfig
[1:10] <TheLogan> Tirili: in the consol type raspi.config
[1:10] <TheLogan> oops
[1:10] <TheLogan> Tirili: raspi-config
[1:11] <Hopsy> should I ping that markedathome?
[1:11] <markedathome> TheLogan: ifconfig should have eth0 for an ethernet ; lo for loopback and usually wlan0 for wireless
[1:11] <TheLogan> Ok, I have eth0 and lo, but no wlan0, so i suspect that means the usb isn't being recognized
[1:12] <markedathome> possibly or it needs to be configured
[1:12] <mgottschlag> TheLogan: http://www.marcomc.com/2012/09/how-to-configure-wireless-lan-on-raspberrypi-with-raspbian-kernel-3-2-27-and-solwise-rtl8188cus-wifi-dongle/
[1:12] <Hopsy> I am gonna chnange my mac address
[1:12] <pksato> Hopsy: http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8260/rpigpiolcd03.jpg
[1:12] <TheLogan> mgottschlag: thanks, I'll look into it =)
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[1:12] <mgottschlag> (not all of it is relevant though, the wpa_supplicant parts are important)
[1:12] <Hopsy> wuahahaha LOL
[1:13] <markedathome> TheLogan: http://www.raspberrypi-tutorials.co.uk/set-raspberry-pi-wireless-network/
[1:13] <TheLogan> To be honest though I'm not even sure the usb does support RTL8188CUS
[1:14] <Tirili> Thanks, TheLogan !
[1:14] <markedathome> it is usually a driver issue, and whether any firmware blobs need to be loaded to the wireless adapter
[1:14] <Nunnsy> Hey guys, any of you had problems with the Rasp Pi and a reallllllyyy really slow ethernet connection to the outside web?
[1:14] <TheLogan> Tirili: np
[1:15] <markedathome> Hopsy: really stupid question, but the pc that you are trying to wake is in hibernate/sleep and not the one you are using to vnc from?
[1:15] <TheLogan> markedathome: do you know if there is any way to check if my wifi usb supports the chipset?
[1:15] <Hopsy> markedathome: its the pc where I am now on
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[1:16] <markedathome> TheLogan: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[1:16] <Aranel> quick question: how to restart raspi ssh?
[1:16] <frikinz> Nunnsy: its basically a pc so if your network is ok and you're not mixing ip adress, it should be fine
[1:17] <Hopsy> when I had test the commands my pc was off
[1:17] <markedathome> as in hibernate / sleep and NOT shutdown
[1:17] <frikinz> Aranel: service ssh restart
[1:17] <Nunnsy> Yeah, problem is I can run pings and <500kb wgets, but once I start wanting to apt-get update... hangs on "Waiting for headers"
[1:17] <markedathome> or in standby
[1:17] <Aranel> frikinz: both ssh and sshd unrecognized
[1:18] <frikinz> Aranel: which distro is it?
[1:18] <Aranel> frikinz: raspbmc
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[1:19] <frikinz> no idea then
[1:19] <Hopsy> ow, does it not work when it is shutdown (shaammee shammee, fail!)
[1:19] <Hopsy> ?
[1:19] <Nunnsy> Funny, when I use the internet shared connection on my Mac is runs at normal speeds but once directly connected... slooowww... any ideas? frikinz
[1:20] <Hopsy> huh, but the utp/lan-lights from my pi and pc is on
[1:20] <markedathome> Aranel: /etc/init.d/sshd stop?
[1:20] <Hopsy> when my pc is off (like shutdown)
[1:20] <TheLogan> Well, it's not on the list so it probably doesn't support the chipset, damn
[1:20] <Aranel> markedathome: not found
[1:21] <markedathome> ls -la /etc/rc*.d/*ssh*
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[1:22] <Aranel> markedathome: no such file
[1:22] <Aranel> it's really weird.
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[1:23] <Aranel> d'oh. dropbear, not openssh. :/ figured it out.
[1:26] <markedathome> Hopsy: if the pc can resume from that state with a keyboard or mouse movement, then wol should work, otherwise no. pc's still have power running through the boards which is why the motherboard will still have a led lit, so you don't destroy without switching the atx psu off/unplugging it
[1:27] <Hopsy> aha
[1:27] <Hopsy> wait
[1:27] <Hopsy> I will test it
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[1:30] <Hopsy> markedathome: yes, I feel like I am very stupid
[1:30] <Hopsy> it works yes
[1:30] <Hopsy> :')
[1:30] <markedathome> oh well, it is always the little things that get us :-)
[1:30] <markedathome> at least now it works
[1:32] <markedathome> now does anyone know which if any xbmc/other media players can support a pinnacle 71e usb DTV stick (also known as a dazzle)
[1:32] <Hopsy> but Thank you for your time markedathome!
[1:32] <markedathome> no problem
[1:33] <markedathome> linuxtv.org has it in the db from kernel 2.6.28
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[1:37] <dAnjou> hey, sorry for the lack of self-initiative on this one: i hear that the folks of raspberrypi are optimizing some ..image(?).. so that the pi has better performance. what is meant by that?
[1:37] <dAnjou> the raspbian image?
[1:39] <pksato> cool, XBMC show txt on LCD display. how to use a IR remote control?
[1:40] <dAnjou> and what's up with the firmware? how can i see, what version i use?
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[1:53] <Nunnsy> Hey guys, little problem, my Pi has normal connection speeds to the internet via a sharing connection with my Mac, but as soon as I connect it directly to my router the speed drops to an impossibly slow speed.
[1:54] <alajarvela> Nunnsy: sounds weird. your network settings aren't right is my guess
[1:54] <Nunnsy> Okay...
[1:55] <Hopsy> where is $PS1 located?
[1:55] <Nunnsy> I used a ifconfig -a on both connections, nothing seems out of the ordinary
[1:55] <markedathome> ethernet negotiation not matching up? force it to 10mbits or 100 mbit if it is trying at 1gbit
[1:55] <alajarvela> some guys had problems with /etc/resolv.conf containing the wrong info
[1:55] <Nunnsy> hmm okay, I'll check that
[1:56] <markedathome> Hopsy: that sounds vaguely bash command lineish
[1:56] <markedathome> in which case it is interpreted by the shell as a prompt
[1:57] <Hopsy> yes, I want to set the time before my name and path
[1:57] <Hopsy> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/09/bash-shell-ps1-10-examples-to-make-your-linux-prompt-like-angelina-jolie/
[1:57] <Hopsy> but, when I do echo $PS1 there came a loongg list
[1:57] <Nunnsy> seems fine, alajarvela, says "domain BigPong(new line)search BigPong(new line)nameserver
[1:57] <Tirili> Can I plug any audio-speaker into the audio jack of the 512mb model B?
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[1:58] <Hopsy> when I enter the timedate format, it gives an error -.-
[1:58] <Nunnsy> All correct for my router
[1:58] <Tirili> I only get some "broken noises" when I start one of the python games of raspbian.
[1:58] <pksato> Tirili: any amplified speaker
[1:58] <Tirili> I have a logitech z4.
[1:59] <markedathome> first does date +%k:%M:%S produce the time output at the command line
[1:59] <markedathome> i presume you are using 2. and the first line
[2:00] <markedathome> if it does work the just do
[2:00] <markedathome> export PS1="\u@\h [\$(date +%k:%M:%S)]> "
[2:00] <markedathome> make sure the last quote is included
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[2:01] <Hopsy> and http://gyazo.com/8b3da190c55b8c3105e1943061048b12.png?1356483540
[2:01] <Hopsy> here?
[2:01] <Hopsy> "\eblabla\"+$debian ?
[2:01] <Hopsy> something similar like this?
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[2:08] <markedathome> Hopsy: it looks as though the escape sequences are being interpreted as a command and not display commands
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[2:09] <Hopsy> huh
[2:09] <TheLogan> Pygame is installed as part of raspbian, right?
[2:09] <Hopsy> so we have 4 commands here?
[2:10] <Hopsy> all seperated with a space?
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[2:11] <Coburn> Stuff the official image
[2:11] <Coburn> Debootstrap a vanilla one
[2:11] <Coburn> and use that ;)
[2:11] <markedathome> the bash prompt is made up of PS1 PS2 PS3 and PS4 environment variables. they can contain display escape sequences eg., \t \u \h where \t is hh:mm:ss. \u is username \h is host etc.
[2:12] <Coburn> PlayStation 1, 2, 3 , 4?
[2:12] <Coburn> See what I did thar?
[2:12] <markedathome> but you forgot the psone and the pstwo
[2:14] <Coburn> meh
[2:14] <Coburn> Also
[2:14] <markedathome> Hopsy: you may not need the $ in front of the PS1 so PS1 not $PS1, and then export PS1
[2:14] <Coburn> For a 1GB R-Pi
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[2:14] <Coburn> Please make the LAN on a sperate chip
[2:14] <Coburn> Don't use USB for it's I/O
[2:15] <Coburn> It's a performance killer.
[2:15] <pksato> and, dont use BCM2835.
[2:15] <Hopsy> but $PS2 and 3
[2:15] <Hopsy> are empty
[2:16] <markedathome> type "set"
[2:16] <Hopsy> wow haha
[2:17] <markedathome> you should see all the environment variables with PS1 through PS4
[2:17] <Coburn> pksato: use what then?
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[2:17] <markedathome> a quadcore chip like in the odroid-x2
[2:17] <Hopsy> I see lots of variables
[2:17] <Hopsy> functions *
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[2:18] <pksato> all limitation of rpi are due to BCM2835.
[2:18] <fayimora> does anyone here send video/audio to xbmc from android/mac/iPad ?? I'm interested :D
[2:19] <pksato> fayimora: use dlna
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[2:20] <pksato> run some dlna server mac OS and windows have one.
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[2:22] <fayimora> hmm not sure i know what that is..
[2:22] <fayimora> googling time
[2:23] <pksato> correct is dlna
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[2:31] <Launch_Director> anyone know how to start a vncserver on the current session not a different one i keep getting "New 'X' desktop is raspberrypi:1"
[2:31] <TAFB> x11vnc does it to the default desktop
[2:31] <Launch_Director> yeh..but i like that you can set resolution on this
[2:31] <Launch_Director> its was also installed default
[2:31] <TAFB> you can on x11vnc as well, just set resolution in config.txt and HDMI force hotplug ;)
[2:32] <Launch_Director> i'm trying to get this on default
[2:32] <Launch_Director> ye but on tight i just put into option vncserver -geometry 1280x800 -depth 16 -pixelformat rgb565:
[2:32] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_VNC_desktop_wireless.png
[2:32] <TAFB> i could never get tight workin right :(
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[2:33] <Launch_Director> its faster than x11
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[2:33] <Launch_Director> but damn.. how the hell do i get it on default desktop
[2:36] <markedathome> :0 instead of :1 or remove 1 from the port number
[2:36] <Nunnsy> Hey guys, any ideas why the connection to the WWW on the Rasp Pi is faster when using my Mac's shared connection than connecting direct to the router? I used "ifconfig -a" and all the settings check out on both, but as I said, the connection direct to the router isn't even good enough to apt-get update the repositories...
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[2:37] <pksato> Nunnsy: all confs is really correct?
[2:37] <Nunnsy> Yep, I even reformatted the SD card to make sure it wasn't any configs cone wrong.
[2:37] <Launch_Director> markedathome: that just increments ..so it will be :1 no matter what
[2:37] <Launch_Director> dunno what to do with it anymore
[2:38] <Nunnsy> And the ethernet ports are fine on the router, connected my other comps to it and they work perfectly at full speed
[2:38] <Launch_Director> if i run it 5 times i would reach :6
[2:38] <pksato> Nunnsy: put this two lines on /etc/sysctl.conf
[2:38] <pksato> net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096 16384 131072
[2:38] <pksato> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096 87380 174760
[2:38] <markedathome> what does netstat -s say?
[2:39] <pksato> and, sudo sysctl -p
[2:39] <Nunnsy> markedathome http://pastebin.com/FJVtNKWq
[2:39] <pksato> if, do not resolv, I dont know.
[2:40] <Nunnsy> And will do pksato, may I ask what it does?
[2:40] <pksato> make some adjust on tcp stack.
[2:40] <pksato> # Fix for tcp window scaling issue related to broken Internet routers
[2:41] <Nunnsy> ahh okay
[2:41] <Nunnsy> will try now thank-you
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[2:43] <markedathome> Nunnsy: there appears to be a lot of invalid address (ip section) along with some congestion (tcpext)
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[2:44] <markedathome> do you have any adblock / ip address filtering occuring somewhere?
[2:45] <Nunnsy> Not anywhere...
[2:45] <Nunnsy> It's puzzling me a lot.
[2:46] <Nunnsy> I'm just about to run the command for pksato's suggestion
[2:47] <markedathome> do those then run the netstat -s again and compare after similar uptime
[2:48] <Nunnsy> Okay, rebooting now
[2:48] <Coburn> pksato: use what then?
[2:49] <Coburn> oops
[2:49] <Coburn> ignore that, copy paste fail
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[2:51] * Hopsy is going to bed, bye everyone!
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[2:54] <Nunnsy> markedathome without the modifications: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FJVtNKWq with mods: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HdXAWTWW
[2:55] <pksato> Nunnsy: reboot router to?
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[2:55] <Nunnsy> Sure thing
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[2:56] <Essobi> Happy Holidays. Herp.
[2:58] <Nunnsy> Still nothing... o.O
[2:58] <Nunnsy> This is weird...
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[2:58] <markedathome> Nunnsy: can you give me the pastebin again, my irc client crashed out and failed to keep a log
[2:59] <Nunnsy> As I said, worked perfectly connected to my Mac's shared connection, but directly connected... Not working.
[2:59] <Nunnsy> sure
[2:59] <Nunnsy> markedathome without the modifications: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FJVtNKWq with mods: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HdXAWTWW
[3:02] <markedathome> for some reason you have between 10-20% invalid addresses, which is high, what does a netstat -rn say?
[3:03] <Nunnsy> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L5dxZLmG
[3:03] <Nunnsy> thank you for you help so far
[3:04] <Nunnsy> *your
[3:04] <markedathome> looks fine.
[3:06] <Nunnsy> Are any of the IPs there supposed to link back to my router
[3:06] <Nunnsy> ?
[3:06] <Nunnsy> besides the first gateway
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[3:08] <markedathome> all it says is that anything starting with a to is local network, anything else can be found going through
[3:08] <Nunnsy> ah okay
[3:09] <markedathome> sometimes you can find routing tables that contain weird routes, or multiple default gatways with differnet priorities
[3:10] <markedathome> gateways even
[3:10] <Nunnsy> ah, I did a clean install of Raspbian this morning as well if it's any help, so most files are default values
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[3:11] <markedathome> what is the speed of the hub you are connecting to?
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[3:11] <Nunnsy_> 100megebit
[3:11] <Nunnsy_> oh wait up
[3:11] <Nunnsy_> could be a gigabit
[3:12] <Nunnsy_> ahhhh
[3:12] <Nunnsy_> I see where it's going
[3:12] <Nunnsy_> that makes sense actually, because then it worked perfectly with my mac
[3:12] <Nunnsy_> I'll go check now.
[3:14] <Nunnsy_> it's strange though, because I can SSH and VNC to it on a local network
[3:14] <Nunnsy_> Nope, 100Mbps
[3:15] <markedathome> try grep smsc95xx /var/log/dmesg
[3:15] <markedathome> and it should say what speed it is
[3:17] <Coburn> No way the R-Pi would handle 1Gbps
[3:17] <Coburn> It would melt
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[3:18] <Nunnsy_> http://i.imgur.com/A0lae.png
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[3:19] <Nunnsy_> Had a putty slip up so excuse the mess before it XD
[3:20] <pksato> ethernet on rpi is a 100mbps.
[3:21] <Nunnsy_> Yep, same on my router so it's all good...
[3:24] <markedathome> i don't know what to suggest at the moment.
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[3:25] <dylan> Hey, having a small problem with my raspi
[3:25] <Nunnsy_> Fair enough
[3:25] <dylan> wondering if anyone can help
[3:26] <Nunnsy_> Still don't understand why it'll work with the shared connection on my Mac and not with the router...
[3:26] <dylan> When I try to run "startx" while logged in as pi, it doesn't work
[3:26] <dylan> When I run "sudo startx" it runs fine
[3:26] <markedathome> Nunnsy_: maybe not enough power
[3:26] <Nunnsy_> Really o.O
[3:27] <Nunnsy_> Okay
[3:27] <Nunnsy_> I'll try that
[3:27] <dylan> Anyone have any ideas as to why this is?
[3:27] <markedathome> though if you have a 1A source it shouldn't be a problem
[3:27] <Nunnsy_> But yeah, working with one and not the other.
[3:27] <Nunnsy_> Yeah, I tried it with one and it didn't work but I'll try again
[3:28] <TomWij> dylan: What is "it doesn't work"?
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[3:29] <dylan> TomWij: sorry, I'm rather new at this. It starts up like normal, then ends with the line "X server closed successfully". Is there a logfile I can post somewhereA
[3:30] <TomWij> /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xorg.0.log I guess
[3:30] <Nunnsy_> markedathome thanks for your help, I really do appreciate it and I'll be back soon, just have to get some things done
[3:30] <markedathome> no [roblem
[3:32] <TomWij> DeliriumTremens: Got sound working the other day, compiled in PA and used an ALSA patch. Now the next thing I need to fix is getting the CPU only slightly down, as that seems to be close to 100% and sometimes bumping into it causing some hiccups now and then. I believe I need to install omxplayer which XBMC can use which is a potential fix as well.
[3:32] <TomWij> Other than that set me up FTP so I can use it as a NAS with my external drive, no longer have to play around with cables... :D
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[3:33] <Moopington> Hey, is there a way to ssh onto the pie, but have everything still displayed on the screen it's connected to?
[3:34] <dylan> TomWij: here is messages (http://pastebin.com/siik35dL)
[3:34] <TomWij> Moopington: Run `screen` from the TTY, the run `screen -x` from the PTY.
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[3:34] <Moopington> Thank you
[3:35] <Moopington> Wait??? shoot, this doesn't solve my problem at all. XD I need to disconnect a keyboard, and then plug in a wifi adapter.
[3:35] <TomWij> dylan: It's not in the messages there, all I see is fine boots and reboots but nothing related to logging in.
[3:36] <dylan> TomWij: Here is Xorg.o.log http://pastebin.com/EuJexi1s
[3:36] <dylan> there is also an Xorg.0.log.old and Xorg.1.log and Xorg.1.log.old
[3:36] <TomWij> [ 60.627] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted
[3:36] <TomWij> [ 60.783] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[3:36] <dylan> What does that mean?
[3:36] <TomWij> [ 60.783] (EE) GLX: could not load software renderer
[3:37] <TomWij> No permission.
[3:37] <dylan> SO I need to change the perms?
[3:37] <dylan> Of what files?
[3:37] <TomWij> Second might not be a breaking error, and the third is just consequence of the former two.
[3:37] <TomWij> No, I think you need to give the normal user more permissions.
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[3:38] <dylan> how so?
[3:38] <TomWij> Add it to certain groups that allow it to do that operation.
[3:38] <dylan> I'm using pi
[3:38] <TomWij> A wild guess is adding it to the video group so it can access video devices like the FBDEV.
[3:38] <dylan> Could you walk me through that?
[3:39] <TomWij> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-add-user-to-group/
[3:39] <TomWij> if that doesn't work (adding it to the video group), then you'll need to google that FBDEV error above.
[3:39] <dylan> much appreciated, I'll look at that
[3:41] <dylan> SO how do I know what groups I'm already in?
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[3:41] <dylan> Also, startx worked before I overclocked
[3:41] <dylan> If that helps
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[3:45] <TomWij> dylan: `grep dylan /etc/group` will tell you
[3:45] <TomWij> Err, if it works before overclocking you could try to remove the overclock to verify it was the overclock.
[3:46] <dylan> hang on, Posting return of that grep
[3:47] <dylan> TomWij: http://pastebin.com/e4Taw4dT
[3:47] <dylan> Says I'm already a part of the video group
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[3:50] <dylan> Did that help?
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[3:54] <dylan_> changed clients
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[4:05] <dylan> castironpi: I was wrong!
[4:05] <dylan> It says "xinit: connection to X server lost"
[4:05] <dylan> when it fails
[4:05] <dylan> I just shut off overclocking and it still doesn't work
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[4:35] <cellofellow> hi
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[4:48] <Someguy123> guys, is there any remove desktop method that can connect directly to the same X outputting via HDMI?
[4:49] <Someguy123> remote*
[4:49] <pksato> x11vnc
[4:50] <Someguy123> pksato, trying now... thanks
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[5:17] <vjacob> hiya. any of you find a way to use a Raspberry Pi to create an extended desktop using AirPlay? I just read http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AddingAirPlayToAReceiverWithoutAnAppleTVRaspbmcAndTheRaspberryPi.aspx
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[6:01] <lasers> #raspbian
[6:01] <lasers> (Sorry)
[6:03] <Gr33n3gg> ?
[6:03] <lasers> Gr33n3gg: Missing /j
[6:05] <ParkerR_> lasers, Missing / and join :P
[6:05] <Gr33n3gg> ah
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[6:16] <Torikun> yo
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[6:19] <herdingcat> hi, is there any doc about how to compile kernel for rpi in cross-platform?
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[6:25] <Tachyon`> probably but you can compile it on the device
[6:26] <Tachyon`> if not especially quickly
[6:29] <Torikun> what you mean by cross platform
[6:30] <Torikun> the pi uses different cpu arch that is incompatible with desktop and laptops
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[6:31] <Torikun> i would be much happier if pi was x86
[6:31] <piney> herdingcat, check out the wiki: http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation it has a section on cross compiling
[6:31] <ScarletSwordfish> where would be the fun in that?
[6:33] <Torikun> i could run a real distro
[6:34] <ParkerR_> Torikun, If the Pi was x86 it would cost more, use more power, probably be a little bit bigger
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[6:34] <ParkerR_> All the things the Pi is trying to fight
[6:34] <Torikun> and usefuil
[6:34] <ParkerR_> :P
[6:35] <Torikun> lol
[6:35] <Torikun> its true
[6:35] <Torikun> what is yours used foir
[6:35] <piney> x86 is so 1970's architecture. time to move on
[6:36] <Torikun> what will replace x86
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[6:36] <l0rd_hex> is it possible to change the name the Razzelberry displays on my tele?
[6:36] <l0rd_hex> ie, the name it says the HDMI input is
[6:36] <ScarletSwordfish> y86 and z86
[6:36] <piney> arm is working on it
[6:36] <ScarletSwordfish> isolinear optical chips
[6:36] <Torikun> therr are quadcore arms right? think my tablet has it
[6:36] <ScarletSwordfish> bioneural gel packs
[6:37] <Torikun> the wuadcore
[6:37] <ScarletSwordfish> the raspberry cocktail
[6:37] <Torikun> the quadcore arm on nexus 7 not that fast.maybe sd limitation
[6:38] <Torikun> rusher81572.com/pi
[6:38] <l0rd_hex> also do I need to chmod +lincolnshire Margaret_Thatcher?
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[6:40] <Torikun> anyone use vnc on their tablets
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[6:57] <dylan> Hey, I can't seem to get sound working on my pi
[6:57] <dylan> It's fresh install
[6:57] <dylan> the only thing on it is VLC
[6:58] <dylan> I'm trying to get it over HDMI
[6:58] <Torikun> what distro
[6:58] <Torikun> check sound settings in volume icon on taskbar?
[6:58] <dylan> Raspbian
[6:59] <dylan> don't have a volume icon
[6:59] <Torikun> go to volume settings on your desktop enviornment and try to adjust
[7:00] <Torikun> taskbar > settings .....
[7:00] <Torikun> something kike thst
[7:00] <dylan> How about alsamixer from the command line?
[7:00] <Torikun> sure thst also
[7:01] <Torikun> crank up all leveks
[7:01] <Torikun> vlc does not work good on pi yet
[7:01] <Torikun> use omxplayer for video
[7:01] <Torikun> that is only working player
[7:01] <dylan> what about mp3?
[7:02] <Torikun> probabky ok
[7:02] <dylan> What program do I use
[7:02] <Torikun> if alsamixer no work try desktop enviornment volume settings
[7:02] <Torikun> to adjust
[7:03] <dylan> it's adjusted fine
[7:03] <dylan> what should I use to PLAY mp3's?
[7:03] <Torikun> vlc
[7:03] <dylan> It's not working
[7:03] <Torikun> try rhythmbox
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[7:04] <dylan> Wow that is a lot of files
[7:05] <Torikun> i dunno of any cli playerd
[7:05] <Torikun> xmms maybe smsller
[7:05] <Torikun> try xmms
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[7:07] <dylan> rhytymbox install failed, trying to update and see if that helps
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[7:13] <dylan> Seems to be working this time
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[7:17] <chiggins> Could someone possibly help lend a hand in understanding how this LCD screen is wired to the pi? http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:26164
[7:18] <dylan> Let me take a look at it
[7:18] <dylan> http://www.thingiverse.com/image:150368
[7:18] <dylan> It's wired to the GPIO (General Purpose Input Output)
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[7:20] <chiggins> dylan: yeah, I can understand that much. Just trying to figure out more like, power, I think. It has a "micro-size potentiometer" added to it, which I'm not really sure what that is
[7:20] <Torikun> cool
[7:21] <dylan> Do you know what a potentiomete is?
[7:22] <dylan> potentiometer*
[7:22] <chiggins> Nope D: I'm a little new to electronics
[7:22] <piney> chiggins, that pot is connected to the lcd backlight terminals, it adjusts the backlight brightness
[7:22] <dylan> It's like an adjustable resistor
[7:22] <dylan> exactly
[7:22] <dylan> it's either doing backlight brightness, or contrast
[7:23] <chiggins> For that, do you think it'd be necessary?
[7:23] <dylan> hmm
[7:23] <dylan> not sure
[7:23] <dylan> I'm not the person to ask
[7:24] <dylan> I think there is a #electornics
[7:24] <dylan> electronics*
[7:24] <piney> chiggins, here's a youtube video about connecting a 16x2 lcd (like the one you posted) to a raspberry pi
[7:24] <piney> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScSBePs6lU
[7:24] <piney> link would of helped heh
[7:25] <chiggins> ;) I appreciate it. thanks for the help you two
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[7:26] <piney> http://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi/overview another good one
[7:27] <chiggins> Fantastic. I already have my pi and LCD, gonna run to radioshack tomorrow to get the wiring and such.
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[7:27] <dylan> rhythmbox is installed anr running
[7:27] <dylan> not pushing any audio
[7:27] <chiggins> This video says that I'd need a transistor, variable resistors, and regular registors. Would that just be specific to that model lcd screen he has?
[7:28] <chiggins> since the link i posted had none of that
[7:28] <piney> that video did make it look more complex, look at the adafruit link
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[7:28] <piney> that one I read
[7:29] <piney> sounds like a fun project chiggins, im waiting for my breadboard and jumper wires. have the pi and lcd like you
[7:29] <piney> china shipping is slow, but so cheap
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[7:30] <chiggins> Yeah for sure. My main goal is something like this http://i.imgur.com/oUXFO.jpg
[7:30] <piney> that second link would be perfect then.
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[7:31] <chiggins> Fantastic :)
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[7:45] <chiggins> piney: would you wire the ground pin on the LCD to the ground pin on the GPIO?
[7:45] <chiggins> trying to see where things go from this image https://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/b3/66/16/e1/85/IMG_20120702_004509_display_large.jpg
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[7:49] <piney> chiggins, yes, tie the ground to the gpio ground
[7:50] <piney> http://learn.adafruit.com/assets/1729 this one is easier to see
[7:51] <chiggins> You're my favorite person tonight. Haha.
[7:52] <Grievar> Why do people do that instead of just supplying a schematic
[7:52] <Grievar> schematics are easier to read
[7:53] <piney> imo it's less scary to noobs
[7:53] <piney> looks more fun
[7:53] <chiggins> Less scary, yeah. I jsut gotta figure out how a breadboard really works
[7:54] <piney> i almost called it a schematic, but redacted before posting cause of the technicality.
[7:54] <chiggins> I get the general concept, just not where to plug things into
[7:55] <Grievar> chiggins: So a standard breadboard has rows of 10 pins split in half, each group of 5 is internally connected
[7:55] <Grievar> the reason they're split in half is so you can put a DIP chip across the split
[7:55] <piney> chiggins https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSU4SemYxQeEykLLP9ly_9qWPPDNzglgZEh39E2HZGddV66YrpM
[7:55] <Grievar> chiggins: the long rows on the side are for things like power and ground that are connected to the circuit in many different places
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[7:56] <Grievar> chiggins: the + and - rows are not necessarily all connected together, depending on your particular breadboard. Best off just using a meter to check what is connected
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[7:57] <chiggins> Okay, I think I got it.
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[8:20] <Macer> wth?
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[8:46] <xrosnight> anyone's here :D
[8:46] <xrosnight> or all are sleeping :D
[8:46] <chiggins> Am I anyone?! :o
[8:47] <xrosnight> chiggins: you are :) what you doing
[8:47] <chiggins> Trying to get my wifi adapter working with BackTrack 5R3. Heh.
[8:47] <chiggins> How about yourself
[8:48] <xrosnight> chiggins: planning to have a domain name. not figured out yet
[8:48] <pw-> speaking of wifi, what time during boot does the wifi connect?
[8:48] <chiggins> I got two myself ;)
[8:48] <pw-> i guess this is more of a raspbmc question, but you guys might know
[8:48] <xrosnight> chiggins: what are they ? :D
[8:49] <xrosnight> pw-: you could enable it. :D
[8:49] <pw-> enable wifi to turn on before an OS?
[8:50] <pw-> here's my issue: i set up my xbmc library to run on a different box (SQL server)
[8:50] <pw-> if during boot raspbmc doesn't find the library, it fails to boot
[8:50] <xrosnight> pw-: if you install archlinux, you could input "systemctl enable dhcpcd@eth0.service" that's what i've done on ethernet socket. It is also the same on wifi i think.
[8:51] <pw-> no can do, raspbmc comes packaged with raspbian =(
[8:51] <chiggins> xrosnight: chigstuff.com and chigs.me. public blog and personal domain. nothing interesting at all
[8:52] <xrosnight> it's alright. raspbian is based on debian . so it need rc.d scripts to initiate OS environment . or you might could add a daemon in the rc.conf
[8:52] <xrosnight> chiggins: what does chig mean, pardon :D
[8:53] <chiggins> short version of chiggins
[8:53] <chiggins> lol
[8:53] <xrosnight> actually i mean what is chiggin . :p
[8:53] <chiggins> combination of my name. chris higgins
[8:53] <xrosnight> i see :D
[8:54] <xrosnight> nice to meet you higgins
[8:54] <chiggins> a pleasure to meet you, xorsnight haha
[8:54] <chiggins> Happen to know anything about the AWUS036NHR and Backtrack?
[8:55] <xrosnight> sort of Backtrack :D
[8:55] <xrosnight> AWUS036NHR , is it a kind of wifi card?
[8:55] <chiggins> Alfa one.
[8:55] <xrosnight> you are cracking wi-fi passwd , an't you
[8:55] <chiggins> I've already done it, I just need a more powerful wifi adapter
[8:56] <xrosnight> i have one whose Chip is RTL8187L
[8:56] <xrosnight> do you know that one. It's power is 1000mW
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[8:58] <chiggins> Nah, not off the top of my head
[8:58] <xrosnight> yours might be the same thing. it has realtek RTL8188RU which might be as good as RTL8187L.
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[8:59] <xrosnight> or even bettre
[9:00] <xrosnight> you want a more powerful one whose power is more than 1000mW ?
[9:00] <chiggins> I don't remember the power on this
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[9:01] <SpeedEvil> for cracking, power is utterly useless
[9:01] <SpeedEvil> as you're receiving
[9:02] <chiggins> Yeah. I'm looking for power range wise.
[9:02] <chiggins> Farther away meaning
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[9:03] <SpeedEvil> you need high powers on both ends
[9:03] <SpeedEvil> or better, antennas.
[9:03] <xrosnight> yeah better antennas :D
[9:03] <chiggins> This thing has some decent antennas with it, I'm not too worried about it.
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[9:03] <bsd1101> can anyone suggest a way to make my wireless card send out a wifi signal I could connect to ?
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[9:04] <TAFB> woot! status page is finished on new Arch seagate server :) http://tafb.yi.org/
[9:04] <SpeedEvil> bsd1101: hostapd
[9:04] <xrosnight> bsd1101: what do you mean
[9:04] <TAFB> got the fancy dynamic percentage bars workin :)
[9:04] <xrosnight> TAFB: let me see
[9:04] <SpeedEvil> bsd1101: many cards can't do it.
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[9:05] <TAFB> server is running all out ram and cpu and hard drive load test, so please excuse it ;)
[9:05] <bsd1101> ......
[9:05] <chiggins> The damn card comes up in 'lsusb' and it has it's own interface 'wlan5', but I'm not getting anything out of it :(
[9:06] <bsd1101> xron, I want my card to send out a wap2 secured signal. I will connect to that using wutever and than ssh to run shit
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[9:07] <TAFB> bsd1101: watch the language plz
[9:07] <bsd1101> sorry
[9:07] <TAFB> np
[9:07] <bsd1101> I didn't know this channel was monitoring that stuff either
[9:07] <TAFB> it's in the topic ;)
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[9:07] <bsd1101> LOL
[9:08] <advisor> bsd1101: since the rpi is intended to be an educational device, there are minors likely to be here
[9:10] <xrosnight> bsd1101: you mean you want to make it a hotspot?
[9:10] <bsd1101> .....ya,
[9:10] <bsd1101> I can never think of the words I need when I need em
[9:11] <xrosnight> AP. you mind need archlinux wiki
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[9:11] <bsd1101> and that led me to this http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot
[9:11] <xrosnight> it has many references
[9:12] <bsd1101> well now I know what I'm looking for I'll be ok
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[9:12] <TAFB> xrosnight: load test is finished, if you wanna look now :) http://tafb.yi.org
[9:13] <Launch_Director> how many resources does the x server by itself use
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[9:13] <xrosnight> TAFB: yeah. i am always looking at it :D
[9:13] <TAFB> haha :)
[9:13] <xrosnight> TAFB: what load test you mean btw
[9:14] <TAFB> i'm done coding it for the night. tomorrow I'm gonna get rid of the big CPU chart because I can't get it to update live (plus it's generated live, on the fly in PHP and she's a resource monster!). Not sure what to put there :)
[9:15] <TAFB> xrosnight: Was running iozone random read/write test to max out the hard drive, told it to buffer 100% in ram to max out all ram, and was running two threads of "md5sum < /dev/urandom" to max out the cpu, all at the same time :)
[9:16] <TAFB> if you want, keep watching the bars, let me know when you're ready and I'll fire up the load test ;)
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[9:19] <xrosnight> TAFB: alright
[9:19] <TAFB> ok, load test in
[9:19] <TAFB> 3
[9:19] <TAFB> 2
[9:19] <TAFB> 1
[9:19] <xrosnight> cant' open it
[9:19] <TAFB> http://tafb.yi.org/
[9:20] <TAFB> should work? lol
[9:20] <xrosnight> bar undefined
[9:20] <TAFB> clear your cache or refresh maybe? hmmm.
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[9:20] <pw-> everything works here
[9:21] <xrosnight> yeah
[9:21] <TAFB> xrosnight: is it workin? :)
[9:21] <xrosnight> cpu free memory, freespace not working
[9:21] <pw-> my word isn't good enough? =(
[9:21] <TAFB> xrosnight: very strange. hmmm
[9:21] <TAFB> xrosnight: what browser?
[9:21] <pw-> 103 of 119 on free space
[9:21] <xrosnight> firefox
[9:22] <TAFB> k. lemme do some cross browser testing, mights messed up some code, brb.
[9:22] <xrosnight> oaky.
[9:22] <xrosnight> it works
[9:22] <Launch_Director> i wonder if i'd get more perfomance if try to use just CLI witouth X
[9:22] <TAFB> ok. i just cleared my php cache
[9:22] <xrosnight> i change the broswer
[9:22] <TAFB> so maybe you were seein a old copy ;)
[9:22] <TAFB> ok, ready for load test? :)
[9:22] <pw-> the cpu graph doesn't auto refresh
[9:22] <pw-> the one with the needle
[9:22] <TAFB> nope
[9:23] <TAFB> i know, it's drawn on the fly in php
[9:23] <TAFB> tried to get it to autorefresh but no go
[9:23] <pw-> i also had a personal triumph today
[9:23] <TAFB> I'll deleted it as it's kinda redundant, you can see the cpu use in three other areas ;)
[9:23] <xrosnight> 103GB
[9:23] <pw-> having never touched SQL before, i set up an SQL database and moved my raspbmc library to it
[9:23] <TAFB> xrosnight: yep :) here comes load test, you won't see the space reduce much or at all cause only 1gb test file...
[9:23] <pw-> so when my second pi comes in, all i need to do is flash the image from this one to it, and they'll both be on the same library
[9:23] <pw-> pause in one room, resume in another =D
[9:24] <xrosnight> oaky. i thought i was 40 gb or so
[9:24] <TAFB> pw-: congrats!!! :)
[9:24] <xrosnight> now memory free 2
[9:24] <pw-> thanks man, i still can't believe something i did worked
[9:24] <xrosnight> only 2 free memory
[9:24] <TAFB> xrosnight: yep, and I'm only running one thread so CPU use should be around 60% ;)
[9:24] <TAFB> 10% for PHP and 50% for one load thread.
[9:25] <TAFB> ok, load test stopping...
[9:25] <xrosnight> the load thread you mean , writting random files ?
[9:25] <TAFB> yep, one writing files, and one hogging the CPU: "md5sum < /dev/urandom"
[9:26] <TAFB> ok, flushing cache and buffers to clear out load test garbage: sync && sudo /sbin/sysctl vm.drop_caches=3
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[9:27] <xrosnight> haha
[9:28] <TAFB> gotta keep that memory squeaky clean when you only got 128mb of it!! :)
[9:29] <TAFB> hopefully those arch people bring out the fix so you can disable journald from eating up CPU :(
[9:29] <xrosnight> yeah
[9:29] <xrosnight> yournald eats CPU
[9:30] <xrosnight> have you ever tried this on debian ?
[9:30] <TAFB> I have the fix to stop it from eating ram: journald.conf :)
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[9:30] <TAFB> xrosnight: my status page? or dunning debian on my little seagate box?
[9:31] <xrosnight> dunning debian on your seagate box
[9:32] <Macer> oh wow.. i just realized my 2 other pis are showing up tomorrow
[9:32] <Macer> totally forgot about that
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[9:32] <Macer> going to try to use one as a desktop :) lol
[9:32] <TAFB> xrosnight: no, I only found one walkthrough to set it up. Because it has no screen I didn't want to go messing with it. I already bricked one of them so far :( http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-goflex-home
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[9:36] <xrosnight> TAFB: wow.
[9:37] <xrosnight> you bought these Disk to test , one bricked
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[9:38] <xrosnight> TAFB: wow
[9:38] <xrosnight> i see
[9:38] <TAFB> nope, I got them for free with my 3TB hard drives I bought. I have the hard drives connected as ESATA so never used these little docking stations :) I got three of them, and a few more coming from friends too :) http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive_L.jpg
[9:38] <xrosnight> great. have you ever tried CubieBoard?
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[9:38] <TAFB> xrosnight: not yet :)
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[9:41] <xrosnight> TAFB: so summing them up, how much are they
[9:42] <TAFB> I paid $99USD for the 3TB drive in the picture, and it comes with the docking station, so I would assume they are about $20 or so. I see people on ebay are selling the docking station part for around $50
[9:43] <xrosnight> TAFB: 3TB, so it is not a SSD one right? the SSD one is your another one, right?
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[9:44] <xrosnight> the SSD one you hooked up with on the internet
[9:45] <TAFB> the 3TB drives are hooked up to my windows media server by ESATA. The SSD drive just drops right into the little docking stations (any regular SATA hard drive will) :)
[9:45] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD.jpg
[9:46] <SpeedEvil> annoyingly expensive
[9:46] <xrosnight> TAFB: i guess you must be good at PHP scripting , or you won't change the piwww.zip well. Yours is much better than the default one.
[9:47] <TAFB> xrosnight: I'm ashamed to let anyone see my php code, I do things so backwards. Like I run 10 separate PHP string commands just to format one string the way I want it :) I don't wanna get laughed at ;)
[9:48] <TAFB> that's why I love PHP, peeps can't see the code/background :)
[9:48] <TAFB> i may make an "arch" version of my page available, for peeps running arch on the Pi, or Arch on something not the Pi
[9:48] <xrosnight> SpeedEvil: i guess so. I always want an ultra extreme Sandisk driver.
[9:49] <xrosnight> TAFB: yeah. the wwwpi doesn't run well on regular PC
[9:50] <Launch_Director> so whats teh most lightweight distro atm for the RPi ?
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[10:07] <Olipro> Launch_Director: Gentoo.
[10:08] <Launch_Director> hmm..how about debian based
[10:09] <Olipro> nothing will compete with the ability to strip features out of packages :P
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[10:09] <Olipro> but since you want Debian based, I suggest Debian.
[10:09] <Launch_Director> :P
[10:10] <Launch_Director> is that more lightweight than raspbian?
[10:10] <WorkGroup> Hello, is here anyone he help me. My english is very bad. Anyone speak german?
[10:10] <Olipro> you could just uninstall all the crap you don't want from raspbian...
[10:10] <Launch_Director> yeh..i could do that
[10:10] <Launch_Director> i was thinking of crunchbang
[10:11] <Launch_Director> dunno if it supported tough
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[10:13] <Launch_Director> how do i stop the xserver?
[10:13] <Olipro> I don't use Raspbian, but it's probably an init script
[10:14] <Olipro> /etc/init.d/xdm perhaps
[10:14] <Olipro> or if you're lazy, sudo killall -9 X
[10:15] <WorkGroup> Has anyone installed shairport on Raspbain?
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[10:25] <Launch_Director> darn it crunchbang not suported..would be great on the pi
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[10:51] <xrosnight> WorkGroup: sorry didn't
[10:51] <WorkGroup> xrosnight okay thank you
[10:52] <xrosnight> WorkGroup: should it be SharePort ? or just shairport?
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[10:52] <WorkGroup> xrosnight something for have an airplay server.
[10:53] <WorkGroup> xrosnight https://github.com/albertz/shairport
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[10:56] <xrosnight> WorkGroup: okay. i will check it out :D
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[10:56] <WorkGroup> thank you
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[11:04] <Macer> anybody try active on the pi yet?
[11:04] <xrosnight> WorkGroup: sorry i don't know much about perl. i am in python field. and i saw they have references that "perl shairport.pl " Once you cloned all the files onto your PC, you could check out the install.md for more information
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[11:05] <xrosnight> WorkGroup: i don't know what you want do for shairport
[11:05] <xrosnight> Macer: what active?
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[11:06] <WorkGroup> Streaming Musik from mobile phone or iPod to Raspberry Pi
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[11:06] <Macer> xrosnight: plasma active
[11:06] <Macer> http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active
[11:06] <Macer> figured it would be lightweight enough for the pi
[11:07] <TAFB> I'm gettin ready to line up for the boxing day deals :)
[11:07] <megaproxy> im at work
[11:07] <megaproxy> earning triple pay
[11:07] <TAFB> nice!
[11:07] <megaproxy> indeed :D
[11:07] <megaproxy> all going towards a new pc
[11:08] <TAFB> megaproxy: check out my status page!! http://tafb.yi.org
[11:08] <Macer> http://images.derstandard.at/2011/10/10/1317069834745.jpg
[11:08] <megaproxy> ooooh
[11:08] <megaproxy> it loads faster than before
[11:08] <TAFB> now featuring live flawless dynamic updating and live CPU/memory/hard drive bars
[11:08] <Macer> screenshot of active
[11:08] <TAFB> megaproxy: yep, i tuned up my caching technology to work with fully dynamic updating, works amazing.
[11:08] <TAFB> I'ma try it on wordpress next. If it can make that ish run fast I'll be rich! lol
[11:09] <megaproxy> :D
[11:09] <TAFB> ;)
[11:09] <megaproxy> install varnish
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[11:10] <TAFB> i've tried a bunch of caching technologies, but they didn't working with my fully dynamic page (where EVERYTHING on the page gets changed) :)
[11:10] <Macer> http://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/1110/plasma_active_one/thumb620/peek-and-launch.png
[11:10] <Macer> kind of looks like maemo tbh
[11:10] * Macer misses his n900 for day to day use :-/
[11:11] <Macer> i guess raspbian uses lxde?
[11:12] <Macer> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpiqemuwindows/screenshots/raspbian%202.png
[11:12] <Macer> ah guess so
[11:13] <TAFB> lxde desktop: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi_VNC_desktop.png
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[11:14] <Macer> TAFB: that's not too bad i suppose
[11:14] <Macer> how well does it run?
[11:14] <TAFB> as long as you don't browse the web, great
[11:14] <Macer> so far all i've used my pi for is an xbmc
[11:14] <TAFB> over clocked to 1ghz is WAY better.
[11:14] <Macer> oh i'm sure
[11:14] <Macer> i have 2 more showing up tomorrow
[11:15] <Macer> well.. later today now i guess
[11:15] <Grievar> what clock speed does Raspbian put the pi at?
[11:15] <Macer> one is for another media center.. the other is for a desktop :)
[11:15] <TAFB> 700mhz stock
[11:15] <Macer> what are they rated to go overclocked? the one i have is running 950 with a slight overvolt
[11:16] <Macer> 3GHz? :)
[11:16] <TAFB> they let you over clock 1ghz without voiding warranty
[11:16] <TAFB> people have em up to 1.2 with heatsinks and overvolt
[11:16] <Macer> yeah i figure anything over 1 would probably be best to have some sort of cooling
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[11:17] <megaproxy> ive gone up to 950
[11:17] <megaproxy> dont have a need for anymore yet
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[11:17] <Macer> sure wish someone made a case with a built in gpio ir port
[11:17] <Macer> megaproxy: me too. just for xbmc heh
[11:17] <Macer> runs great
[11:17] <Macer> for the most part
[11:18] <Macer> i was a bit disappointed at the fact that a lot of the common wifi mini dongles don't have much linux support
[11:18] <xrosnight> I havent' installed anything on my raspberry pi. cause it cant recognize my keyboard lol and i ordered a new pair of keyboard and mouse this morning :)
[11:18] <Macer> broadcomm and realtek being the worst
[11:18] <TAFB> i'm going to try and pickup a 240gb ssd drive for my computer today :)
[11:18] <Macer> they fail to go n speeds
[11:18] <TAFB> going to head out and line up soon
[11:19] <Macer> are you sure it isn' tthe usb power?
[11:19] <Macer> or are you using a powered hub?
[11:19] <Macer> i was having a huge problem with my first one. i had to rma because the power was flakey
[11:19] <xrosnight> Macer: you mean me?
[11:19] <Macer> yes
[11:19] <Macer> my mce ir dongle was killing y pi
[11:19] <Macer> my pi
[11:20] <Macer> new one had no issues
[11:20] <xrosnight> damn . let me try it again. yeah. sort of, perhaps
[11:20] <megaproxy> http://www.ebuyer.com/
[11:20] <megaproxy> is this down?
[11:20] <Macer> i guess in a newer revision they fixed it by bypassing breakers for the usb
[11:20] <Macer> not sure tho
[11:20] <TAFB> down for me: "overloaded due to boxing day sales"
[11:20] <Macer> forgot the specifics
[11:20] <xrosnight> i used a 500mA 5V DC adapter
[11:21] <megaproxy> ;_;
[11:21] <xrosnight> sort of not enough..damn
[11:21] <Macer> i forgot how much the pi used
[11:21] <Macer> and how much is passed over to the usb ports/ethernet
[11:22] <Macer> most people still use 1A adapters tho.. but i guess not all are created equal
[11:23] <TAFB> i was using 10amp but pumped it down to 2 for safety :)
[11:23] <Tachyon`> 750mA is the absolute minimum for a model b, a model a might get away with 500
[11:23] <xrosnight> so martin lord king is a lier . haha
[11:23] <Tachyon`> I use 2A myself but I have three radio devices and a hard disk plugged in
[11:24] <Tachyon`> but anything over 750 involves linking out the polyfuse
[11:24] <TAFB> nice :) When I was running the 10 amp I had two USB hard drives powered from the Pi and was running a fan off the GPIO power ;)
[11:25] <megaproxy> COME ON EBUYER
[11:25] <TAFB> c'mon, go line up in the snow like a normal person
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[11:26] <megaproxy> but im at work
[11:26] <megaproxy> and their shop is a warehouse.
[11:26] <TAFB> oh yeah, fergot
[11:26] <megaproxy> by a motorway
[11:26] <megaproxy> lol
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[11:27] <megaproxy> CRAP
[11:27] <megaproxy> i unplugged my pi at home
[11:27] <megaproxy> now i cant show off my pretty stats to my boss
[11:27] * megaproxy texts father
[11:27] <TAFB> lol
[11:27] <TAFB> show him my page ;)
[11:28] <Olipro> does anyone know why the kernel comes with rtl8192cu driver enabled by default?
[11:28] <TAFB> Olipro: is that the bluetooth or wifi driver?
[11:28] <megaproxy> i should put some caching on
[11:28] <megaproxy> and stuff
[11:28] <Olipro> wifi
[11:28] <megaproxy> work is super unbusy so i have time to tinker
[11:28] <TAFB> Olipro: so that it auto-enabled WiFi. that driver works with a TON of cards too
[11:28] <Olipro> that driver is a pile of crap
[11:28] <Olipro> can't even get it to compile as a module in 3.7
[11:28] <TAFB> lol
[11:28] <Olipro> *has* to be built into the kernel
[11:29] <Macer> all linux wifi drivers are piles of crap heh
[11:30] <Macer> that same driver won't work with an rt1200 in n mode
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[11:30] <Macer> it connects as a g adapter
[11:30] <TAFB_shoppin> ok, off to buy some SSD and home audio equip. back in a bit
[11:31] <megaproxy> i should sell ebuyer some hosting
[11:31] <megaproxy> hwo is it not back up yet?!
[11:32] <xrosnight> Macer: damn it works now
[11:32] <Macer> xrosnight: heh. go figure
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[11:32] <xrosnight> Macer: it's because of the power issues
[11:32] <Macer> yeah.. a lot of people were having that same problem
[11:32] <Macer> sometimes it could be a keyboard that consumes more power than the usb ports allow with the power supply being used
[11:33] <Macer> in my case i just had a lemon pi :)
[11:33] <Macer> no pun intended
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[11:33] <xrosnight> the problem made me order a new keyboard today which is about 10 Pounds
[11:33] <Macer> well.. at least you have a spare keyboard now :)
[11:33] <xrosnight> it is :D
[11:34] <Macer> could have been worse
[11:34] <xrosnight> the new one is a wireless one :D
[11:34] <megaproxy> super dumb question
[11:34] <megaproxy> how do i turn ubuntu volume up
[11:34] <megaproxy> i see no sound options
[11:34] <xrosnight> type: alsamixer
[11:34] <megaproxy> WHAT IS THIS?!
[11:34] <Macer> heh... usually there would be a mixer within the ui
[11:35] <Macer> like one of those little icon things
[11:35] <Olipro> that's it, throw it all out and install Windows RT
[11:35] <megaproxy> thats amazing
[11:35] <megaproxy> xrosnight++ now i look like an awesome hacker...
[11:35] <megaproxy> >.>
[11:35] <Macer> hah
[11:35] <megaproxy> hackin yo soundwaves
[11:35] <Olipro> if that gets you going, tmux will blow you away
[11:35] <Macer> Olipro: i wish i could install winrt on a pi
[11:35] <Macer> lol
[11:35] <Macer> or my tf101 :-P
[11:35] <megaproxy> im good with cli mostly
[11:35] <megaproxy> but ive not seen this mixer before
[11:35] <xrosnight> :D megaproxy
[11:35] <xrosnight> that's cool
[11:36] <Olipro> I've been meaning to try out RiscOS
[11:36] <Macer> megaproxy: why doesn't lxde have a mixer in it?
[11:36] <Macer> wow.. riscos :)
[11:36] <megaproxy> i have no idea
[11:36] <Macer> no fbsd for pi yet?
[11:36] <Macer> heh
[11:36] <megaproxy> i hated unity so i got rid of it
[11:36] <Olipro> I used to use that on a variety of Acorn/Archimedes computers
[11:36] <Olipro> those were the days
[11:37] <Macer> it's a shame what happened to the amiga
[11:37] <megaproxy> http://bedserv.com/stats/ < my gf works fast
[11:37] <megaproxy> its plugged in :D
[11:37] <Olipro> but, speaking of windows, I've always fancied the idea of doing a Windows CE BSP for the Pi
[11:37] <Macer> windows ce was gross tho
[11:37] <xrosnight> you gf works fast ?????
[11:37] <Olipro> was?
[11:37] <xrosnight> girl friend
[11:37] <megaproxy> at plugging in my pi :|
[11:37] <Olipro> it's still alive and kicking
[11:37] <Macer> really?
[11:37] <Macer> heh
[11:37] <megaproxy> haha
[11:38] <Olipro> Windows Mobile was just a hacked up WinCE
[11:38] <Olipro> and Windows Phone takes a fair bit of its guys
[11:38] <Olipro> *guts
[11:38] <Macer> so is wp7.x hacked up wince?
[11:38] <Macer> heh
[11:38] <Macer> with a new home screen :)
[11:38] <Macer> hey.. i have a lumia 900
[11:38] <Macer> it's not too bad
[11:38] <Macer> got it because att literally paid me to get it
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[11:39] <Macer> Megaf: install identd :-P and screen
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[11:41] <Olipro> heh, my /proc/cpuinfo reports 2.00 BogoMIPS
[11:41] <Olipro> I think GCC 4.7.2 may have done funky things to the calculation loop
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Ahh... Blood chocolate levers restored :)
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> what to do today - bank holdiay..
[11:49] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[11:49] <TAFB_shoppin> gordonDrogon: go shopping for deals!
[11:49] <TAFB_shoppin> and did ya see my fancy new dynamic update bars?!? http://tafb.yi.org :)
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[11:52] <Yotson> things involving paracetamol, stomach acid pills and a toilet gordonDrogon? :P
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> shopping? There is absolutley nothing I want to buy.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> and nothing I hate more than being in crowds of people harassing each other over a "bargian"
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> Yotson, stomach and associated plumbing works fine, thanks :)
[11:55] <Yotson> -pfew- :)
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_shoppin, your cpu meter looks odd. looks like there is a copy 100 pixels to the right ..
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[11:58] <TAFB_shoppin> gordonDrogon: which one? the big gauge one?
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> yes
[12:00] <TAFB_shoppin> probably from my trying to get it to autoupdate :( one sec and I'll have you try it again...
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> the semicircle one.
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[12:01] <TAFB_shoppin> gordonDrogon: refresh the page, see if that fixed it.
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_shoppin, yea, batter!
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[12:17] <TAFB_shoppin> gordonDrogon: woot, thanks for testin :)
[12:18] <TAFB_shoppin> i'll probably ditch that gauge anyway. It's super resource intensive to generate, and I've had no luck in getting it to dynamically draw it properly :(
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[12:20] <TAFB_shoppin> super ultimate clear out all ram, cache, buffers and your swap file!! sync && sudo /sbin/sysctl vm.drop_caches=3 && sudo swapoff -a && sudo swapon -a
[12:20] <TAFB_shoppin> you might need to alter permissions on sysctl if it dun let you run
[12:20] <TAFB_shoppin> or run it under su
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> yea wondered how much cpu it actually uses, just generating that page :)
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> and doing that sync, ... line just wastes every last ounch of performance gain that the linux/unix people have struggled to give you over the past 30 years.
[12:21] <TAFB_shoppin> around 18% server side for 3.2 seconds on the Pi. On this box around 8% for 0.8 seconds.
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[12:29] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_shoppin, do not ever do that sysctl, etc. on a production server. You really will kill it's performance. You are not gaining anything at all by doing it.
[12:32] <formax> sure fire way to a borked system
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[12:35] <Macer> heh
[12:38] <TAFB_shoppin> gordonDrogon: When my ram runs down to 2mb nginx starts to perform super super slow, like 12 seconds to load a page. I run that sysctl > 3 to clear the buffers and cache and voila! performance 100% perfect!
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[12:39] <markedathome> hi all, I am confuddled: using win32diskimager I can't see my sd micro card, i get error -1 property query errors when starting. win7, uac not enabled
[12:39] <TAFB_shoppin> and I know what people say "you're not really running out of room, it's only cached" but I dunno wtf, some programs think they are runnin out, or refuse to borrow the cached memeory for themselves!
[12:40] <TAFB_shoppin> markedathome: try going into computer management, disk management (right click computer, manage). try and format the SD card or set a drive letter to it. If that doesn't work you'll have to use the other tool on the Pi page (flashnul or something), that one works perfect every time.
[12:42] <dr_willis> markedathome: you are running as a full user? not a limited user?
[12:42] <markedathome> admin rights
[12:43] <markedathome> bizarre computer management won't let me delete the partition, only format it
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[12:44] <TAFB_shoppin> markedathome: that's normal. just format it, make sure it has a drive letter, then win32imager will work fine
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_shoppin, I'd suggest there is something else going on then. Linux can manage its cache and buffers much better than you can.
[12:45] <TAFB_shoppin> yeah, it's probably my infinate loop sh scripts running in the background ;)
[12:45] <TAFB_shoppin> I have it flush my cache every hour, works flawless.
[12:47] <markedathome> right, nuked the partition with partition wizard, reformatted with drive letter <-- think it was this, previously it didn't have a letter assigned ; now appears to be writing
[12:48] <TAFB_shoppin> woot
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[13:02] <markedathome> woot! headless pi
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[13:09] <jorenl_> Hey all. So I'm wondering, does anyone have a view on how reliable this list (http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals) is?
[13:10] <TAFB_shoppin> sd cards?
[13:10] <ShiftPlusOne> jorenl_, as reliable as any anecdotal evidence.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> yea, I have an SD card that's on that list which doesn't work for me..
[13:11] <jorenl_> So would it mean "it once worked"? :) Or should I see it as a random list of peripherals no-one ever used with a raspberry pi? :)
[13:12] <ShiftPlusOne> It would mean that it has worked for the person that reported it as working.
[13:12] <jorenl_> And I'm not looking for SD-cards, I'm thinking about getting myself one of these (http://www.ortek.com/html/pdt_view.asp?area=46&cat=152&sn=76)
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[13:21] <gordonDrogon> the kingston class 4 ones and the sandisk ultra c6 ones are working for me now.
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[13:31] <voxadam> Is it possible to stream video from a RaspberryPi using something like VLC? Does the board have enough horsepower?
[13:32] <formax> voxadam: sure does
[13:32] <TAFB_shoppin> vlc usually eats up too much cpu with video on the screen :(
[13:32] <TAFB_shoppin> but you can stream video only out of the HDMI port :(
[13:33] <voxadam> I don't need video displayed on a screen.
[13:33] <formax> well vlc isnt the best choice, but answering his question VLC works, and there are better alternatives
[13:33] <formax> http://wolfpaulus.com/journal/embedded/raspberrypi_webcam
[13:33] <formax> TAFB_shoppin: not true
[13:34] <dr_willis> voxadam: I use my Pi's as a upnp server. they seem to stream well to each other. ;) so shoul dbe able to stream to other devices
[13:34] <formax> you can send a videostream over network
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[13:34] <voxadam> Is it possible to secure the stream?
[13:35] <dr_willis> secure in what way? You doing this streaming over the internet? or a local lan? or what?
[13:35] <formax> for a cost in performance pretty much anything is possible
[13:35] <voxadam> I may need to secure the stream over the internet.
[13:35] <formax> also define streaming, as in 25fps?
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[13:35] <formax> resolution
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[13:36] <voxadam> 640*480.
[13:36] <voxadam> Maybe lower.
[13:37] <formax> I have gotten livestream to work with about 1-2 second delay, is that ok?
[13:37] <voxadam> I
[13:37] <voxadam> I'm not too worried about the delay. It's a security camera type situation.
[13:39] <formax> most stuff at home I dont point it to the internet, instead I tunnel in from a remote place to my homenetwork and do whatever as if I was at home, that way you dont need to tunnel on your device, which I havent tried doing on a pi
[13:40] <voxadam> I suppose a tunnel is probably a much better idea.
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[13:42] <formax> check the page I posted 10 lines up
[13:42] <formax> it will get you started
[13:45] <voxadam> formax, thanks. I've been reading.
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[13:55] <magi> Hi, have anyone had issues with the RasPi not booting?
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[13:55] <magi> I had it booting until today, it stops right after recognising USB ports.
[13:55] <TAFB_shoppin> everyone does
[13:55] <magi> Then nothing more then a blinking marker
[13:56] <TAFB_shoppin> did you check your TP1-TP2 voltage? http://elinux.org/images/d/d1/RPI_Test_Points.JPG
[13:56] <magi> No, dont have my multimeter atm
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> anything plugged into the usb?
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[13:58] <magi> But I have not had a single boot issue until today, all of a sudden.
[13:58] <magi> gordonDrogon no, nothing
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> what about overclocking, turbo mode?
[13:58] <Kane> check the sdcard ?
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[14:01] <magi> Kane yes, i'm gonna do that. But thought it would give some kind of error if there were an issue with the SD card
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> i'd try turning off any turbo mode/overclocking too.
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> assuming you can red the SD card in another PC.
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> *read
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[14:23] <Grievar> what kind of connector goes into S5?
[14:23] <Grievar> flatflex?
[14:29] <Olipro> interesting, the SMSC chip appears to support jumbo frames
[14:29] <Olipro> or at least, I can set an MTU > 1500 without any complaints
[14:30] <Olipro> ok, it'll let me set it to just about anything, I'm calling shenanigans
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[14:40] <gordonDrogon> Mmm. Blood chocolate levels topped up...
[14:40] <str0be> Who's on their Pi's atm?
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> I'm on a chair.
[14:41] <str0be> What IRC client are you using?
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> xchat
[14:41] <str0be> same, was just wondering.
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> not on a Pi though - generic Linux workstation.
[14:41] <str0be> Ohh, I'm on my Pi :P
[14:42] <str0be> Is it possible to control a fan through the GPIO pins using Python?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[14:42] <str0be> What pins does the fan need to be connected to?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> the software is the easy part - interfacing the fan is the hard part.
[14:42] <str0be> +5v?
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> you need to know what voltage the fan uses and how it's controlled.
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> most PC fans are 12v.
[14:43] <str0be> Oh, ok. I'll do some reading
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> your Pi doesn't need to be fan cooled.
[14:43] <str0be> I know! :P
[14:44] <str0be> I jsut want to fiddle with GPIO stuff and a fan is the only thing I have atm.
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[14:48] <gordonDrogon> is it a PC fan, or something else?
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> actually, either way the current draw is probably too much.
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> any LEDs and resistors?
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> you can play with the on-board LED if you want... :)
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[14:52] <DeliriumTremens> that sounds dirty
[14:53] <atouk> it's pnly dirty if you flash it, instead of having it flash at you
[14:54] <Amadiro> I've been doing it wrong all these years!
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> get wiringPi and run the 'okLed' program in the examples :)
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> makes it pulsate :)
[14:55] <atouk> now THAT osunds dirty...
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[14:59] <gordonDrogon> looks cook though :)
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> if you like pulsating LEDs :)
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[15:01] <DeliriumTremens> get a room!
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[15:05] <atouk> gordon, for thoe pwople that come in asking about board versions and pinouts, a script to show the pinouts for your board version. if you get a chance, can you proofread the pins. http://www.atouk.com/wordpress/?page_id=238
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[15:08] <gordonDrogon> atouk, you need to make sure you set the shell to execute it with.
[15:08] <atouk> any edits/additions appreciated
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> revision=Revision: Command not found.
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> I know I'm in a minority, but not everyone uses bash, so stick: #!/bin/bash at the top of the script...
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> output looks fine though.
[15:12] <atouk> any model a boards in the wild yet?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> what I find is that people get confused with the difference between the physical pin numbers and anything else )-:
[15:13] <atouk> that remins me. i wanted to put an edge marger in there too for orientation
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> I don't think the A's are on sale yet...
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[15:20] <Hopsy> whats the different about ftdi an ftdl?
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[15:20] <Hopsy> I mean ftdi and ttl
[15:20] <Hopsy> sorry
[15:20] <Hopsy> huh, nvm
[15:20] <Hopsy> is the same
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> ftdi is a usb interface chip.
[15:21] <atouk> all fixed. tks gordon. post christmas brain is only half awake, so it took an extra cup of coffee
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> ok!
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, only the same if the ftdi is feeding a 5v ttl signal - some can feed a 3.3v one...
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[15:22] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: https://www.adafruit.com/products/70 and http://adafruit.com/products/954
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[15:22] <Hopsy> product 70 is better I guesS?
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[15:25] <gordonDrogon> that looks fine - you'll need to break-out the pins though and don't feed 5v into the pi!
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> just tx/rx and 0v.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> Who wants to bet on how many tickets & calls i get today?
[15:26] * IT_Sean puts ??10 on none-at-all
[15:26] <megaproxy> IT_Sean, ive had loads :(
[15:26] <IT_Sean> bummer
[15:26] <megaproxy> cjs-cdkeys went down
[15:26] <megaproxy> so i had to fix that.
[15:26] <Hopsy> IT_Sean: 500?
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I had a support call yesterday. just as I'd arrived at my in-laws. The joys of being self-employed...
[15:27] <formax> anyone knows IT_Seans number?
[15:27] <IT_Sean> It's going to be DEAD quite today.
[15:27] <IT_Sean> :/
[15:27] * IT_Sean reaches across his desk and flicks the radio on
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, actually, you probably can feed 5v into the pi if you're not powering it any other way...
[15:28] <IT_Sean> via the 5v GPIO pin? Yeah, you can power the Pi that way, but it is Not Recommended (TM)
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> there's no protection, but if powering from a PC's USB socket, it's probably going to be OK.
[15:29] <megaproxy> IT_Sean, are you being paid extra?
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[15:29] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: Nope.
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Normal hours = normal pay.
[15:29] <Hopsy> nahh I will take the 3.3 volt
[15:29] <megaproxy> D=
[15:29] <megaproxy> im getting triple pay, because its boxing day
[15:29] <megaproxy> awww yiss
[15:29] <IT_Sean> The Day After Christmas is not a holiday here.
[15:30] * gordonDrogon boggles!
[15:30] <megaproxy> UK right? i am from UK also
[15:30] <IT_Sean> megaproxy: US.
[15:30] <megaproxy> oh!
[15:30] <megaproxy> but you used the ? symbol
[15:30] * megaproxy confused
[15:30] <formax> isnt US one of the worst countries when it comes to amount of vacation/holidays?
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> when I worked in the US, I took UK holidays..
[15:31] <megaproxy> yes
[15:31] <IT_Sean> Heh. I'm used to seeing it in here... We get a lot of UK-dwellers, so, i often use
[15:31] <megaproxy> ah fair enough
[15:31] <IT_Sean> Heh. I'm used to seeing it in here... We get a lot of UK-dwellers, so, i often use ??s instead of $s in here
[15:33] <IT_Sean> formax: the US is not the best for paid holidays, but, we are NOT the worst country to work in. :p
[15:33] <IT_Sean> And i really can't complain. I'm making a good salary, doing something i enjoy.
[15:34] <Hopsy> I want to run a command after or before the bootloader, where should I add this line? /etc/rc.local??
[15:34] <soltys> hi, can someone recomend me usb wifi stick ? If it can run without powered USB hub it would be great
[15:34] <Hopsy> or in /etc/init.d/ ?
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, the bootloader is done & gone WAY before rc.local is executed.
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, rc.local is typically the last thing run before Linux is ready for nornal user login.
[15:35] <Hopsy> and which file is executed as first?
[15:35] <formax> IT_Sean: I know US pay is good, and taxes are pretty good
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, rcS
[15:35] <Hodapp> formax: Yes; the expectation is that, as an employee in the US, you are just grateful to have a job and don't demand silly things like vacations.
[15:35] <Hodapp> And if you don't like it, f**k off and go to Canada, commie.
[15:36] <formax> haha
[15:36] <Hodapp> Okay, so that last part is exaggerated a bit.
[15:36] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: /etc/rcS.d ?
[15:36] <Hopsy> can I just make a bash file?
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, /etc/init.d/rcS
[15:36] <Hopsy> ow
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> what is it that you're trying to achieve?
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> startup order of 'stuff' is often important in Linux.
[15:37] <Hopsy> I want to run vnc at startup
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> what's vnc?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[15:38] <IT_Sean> you don't know what VNC is?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Hopsy: client, or serveR?
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> some sort of remote access thingy?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Yup.
[15:38] <Hopsy> server
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> never used it.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> THE remote access thinger. :P
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggesy running it at the END of the normal startup.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> ^ agreed.
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> If you run it at the start, then you'll not have any networking, etc.
[15:39] <IT_Sean> You'll need all of the stuff it depends on (netwk, etc..) for it to work.
[15:39] <Hopsy> ah sounds logic
[15:39] <IT_Sean> VNC is amongh the LAST things you should be starting, boot order wise.
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> so typically, put it in a script in /etc/rc.local, then update-rc.d ... in runlevel 2.
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> er. /etc/init.d not /etc/rc.local.
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> you can just: sudo apt-get install vncserver
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> or is there sometthing not right with the supplied vnc server package?
[15:43] <Hopsy> I have installed vnc already
[15:43] <Hopsy> its just not starting automaticly
[15:43] <Hopsy> sudo /etc/init.d/tightvncserver start
[15:43] <Hopsy> needs to run this
[15:44] <Hopsy> but, I dont get the runlevel part?
[15:44] <Hopsy> owh /etc/rc2.d ?
[15:45] <Hopsy> so first the items runs inside rc0.d then rc1.d etc ?
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I just installed it.
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> Looks like it doesn't have any auto-starts. you need to manually start it yourself.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> you need to create username/apssword the first time you start it too.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> what an odd system.
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[15:48] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: http://cache.gyazo.com/9c5d46cd4a2468092b062b3d67329f25.png?1356533257 this is how it will looks like
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's an X viewer.
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> I guess I'm lucky living in a 100% Linux world that I don't need kludgies like this.
[15:50] <Hopsy> also xfontsbase is needed otherwise you get some error
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> gosh - it does work though.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> I have a 1024x768 virtual screen on my workstation desktop.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> I can see why it shouldn't auto start though.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> it needs to be started as a user, not root.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> so ssh in, start it with vncserver
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> then use vncclient from your win PC to connect to it.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> almsot too easy.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> at least under Linux..
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> slightly faster than ssh -X too. probably no encryption going on.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> oh well, that was amusing.
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/vnc.png
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[16:02] <Hopsy> hhaha lol
[16:02] <DeliriumTremens> that is terrifying
[16:02] <Hopsy> what are you running gordonDrogon?
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[16:02] <_ds_> No. 4. The Spruce.
[16:02] <_ds_> The. Spruce.
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[16:02] <Hopsy> 9 screens wow
[16:02] <_ds_> THE SPRUCE.
[16:02] * _ds_ hides
[16:05] * _ds_ looks at an adafruit project which shows the date, time and IPv4 address on an LCD ??? not enough room for IPv6 there. FAIL ???
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[16:06] <IT_Sean> use a bigger LCD, and adjust the code as needed. FAIL on your part for not thinking of that.
[16:06] <Hopsy> lol
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[16:06] <_ds_> Yes, well. Commenting on that particular choice ????
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[16:06] <IT_Sean> And i'm commenting on your choice to critisize someone for doing something creative.
[16:06] <Hopsy> use smaller letters
[16:07] * _ds_ suspects that it's not a bitmap which is sent???
[16:07] <_ds_> (no idea whether that display would take bitmaps as input)
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[16:22] <MoleMan> I want to run XBMC, but want to be able to host samba shares and a MySQL database as well, what OS would you reccommend? instally MySQL on RaspBMC?
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[16:23] <canton7> yeah. raspbmc runs on a raspbian image underneath
[16:24] <Olipro> _ds_: depends on the IPv6 address
[16:24] <DeliriumTremens> i run mysql on a separate device
[16:24] <_ds_> True. ::1
[16:24] <Olipro> heh
[16:25] <aaa801> Soo i just bought my first blu ray disc
[16:25] <aaa801> and it has some red clip thing thats stoping me from opening the case
[16:25] <Olipro> an RIR should give me a /16, because I'm so awesome
[16:25] <MoleMan> canton7: thanks :)
[16:25] <aaa801> HOW DO I OPEN THE CASEEE
[16:25] <Olipro> with a hacksaw
[16:25] <aaa801> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8HY0aH8kAs
[16:26] <magi> gordonDrogon no turbo mode, and the SD card reads just fine.
[16:26] <DeliriumTremens> aaa801: please ask in #bluraycaseclips
[16:26] <aaa801> nuu
[16:26] <DeliriumTremens> -.-
[16:26] <MoleMan> DeliriumTremens: I usually do, but am away from home and would like to have a copy of the MySQL database to work from, and my server is massively overpowered, so swapping it to the RPi would cut a lot of wasted electricity
[16:26] <magi> I have tried almost everything up until now. I can't get my RasPi to boot, it booted/worked fine yesterday when i shut it off.
[16:26] <DeliriumTremens> you're just going to power off your server?
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[16:27] <MoleMan> DeliriumTremens: My server is an old desktop running UbuntuServ, MySQL for XBMC is probably the only thing that gets used regularly, so possibly yes
[16:27] <monkers> aaa801 - ugh, i think i'll just stick with MKV files.
[16:28] <aaa801> at this rate monkers :P
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[16:29] <TomWij> To get fast video in XBMC I need omxplayer, right?
[16:31] <TomWij> Playing the h264 demo that comes from raspberry itself, it plays the Big Buck Bunny at enormous speed, but in a stock XBMC it goes extremely slow. o_O
[16:31] <viric> so yes, right.
[16:32] <TomWij> Just cross-compiled gcc 4.7.2, going to get me omxplayer now, last missing piece. :)
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[16:33] <TomWij> And any magical tricks to get XBMC's CPU usage down are also welcome... :D
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[16:33] <TomWij> But I suppose "let omxplayer do the job instead" will probably do just that.
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[16:35] <ccolorado> Does anyone know what filesystem does the archlinux image uses for his partition ( it has a vfat boot ) but i dont know about the other one ( maybe my sd crapped out )
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[16:43] <Olipro> ccolorado: probably ext4
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[16:43] <Olipro> most linux distros can autodetect the FS type
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[16:46] <str0be> How can I run my Pi as a headless web server and control from my windows PC?
[16:46] <atouk> yes
[16:47] <str0be> I said how...
[16:47] <Olipro> str0be: with SSH
[16:47] <_ds_> str0be, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ may help
[16:47] <IT_Sean> You can SSH in, but you will have to enable SSH if it isn't already. You can also use VNC or anotehr remote access protocol, but you will have to install the service / soffware for that.
[16:47] <str0be> I will use SSH as I already have openssh installed
[16:47] <atouk> install a webserver/php/samba
[16:47] <pksato> str0be: first, use some head and configure sshd (start) and passwords.
[16:47] <str0be> I have a LAMP stack
[16:48] <pksato> install putty on windows.
[16:48] <str0be> Ok, cheers.
[16:49] <pksato> now, you can access some shell on raspberry pi over ssh.
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[16:49] <ccolorado> do SD's tend to become corruped ?
[16:49] <Hopsy> TomWij: it worked, wake on lan
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[16:49] <IT_Sean> ccolorado: typically, no. But it can happen. Did you pull it out while booted?
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[16:50] <ccolorado> IT_Sean: no, the board just stopped "working" only red led on
[16:50] <monkers> ccolorado - i had lots of problems formatting and getting a proper os on my sd, then i had some problems with the rpi that made me think the sd card was still at fault. sorry i didnt catch your earlier messages.
[16:51] <monkers> oh.. i've had it stop booting midway but never just show me one red LED.
[16:51] <ccolorado> IT_Sean: i had some custom scripts there and a DB :(
[16:51] <monkers> that might be something else goin on
[16:51] <IT_Sean> that's odd.
[16:51] <str0be> How can i temporarily stop my Apache and web services?
[16:51] <ccolorado> IT_Sean: well i cannot mount the SD on my desktop
[16:51] <ccolorado> str0be: temporarly ?
[16:51] <_ds_> sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop
[16:52] <str0be> like stop the services until I reboot or restart them
[16:52] <_ds_> ???
[16:52] <str0be> thanks _ds__
[16:52] <_ds_> (this assumes Debian/Raspbian)
[16:52] <str0be> Yeah
[16:53] <MoleMan> _ds_: isn't rc.d meant to be depreciated for 'service ??? stop' etc
[16:53] <_ds_> Possibly, but it's what I'm used to.
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[16:53] <str0be> So when I reboot my apache services will restart?
[16:53] <monkers> yes
[16:53] <_ds_> Unless you alter config to stop that, yes
[16:53] <str0be> ok )
[16:54] <MoleMan> hmm, I suppose if its not broke, why change it :)
[16:54] <monkers> no matter what way i try i always am told "you're restarting this service the wrong way, dummy!" :P
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[16:54] <ccolorado> Any idea if i can recover my home ? df -T returns devtmpfs as the filesystem.
[16:55] <MoleMan> haha monkers :p I've not had any issues with 'sudo service smbd restart' etc
[16:55] <_ds_> That'd be /dev, normally???
[16:55] * _ds_ wouldn't expect anything else to be a devtmpfs mount (chrooted environments aside)
[16:55] <monkers> MoleMan - ok i'll keep tryin that one if that's the new way :P
[16:56] <ccolorado> _ds_: it gives me 'ext2' for my desktop's home directory
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[16:59] <MoleMan> monkers: I'm far from an expert, but as ds said it's what I've always known and done, and whenever I follow instructions using 'init' etc I get bitched at and told its depreciated by my server :p
[16:59] <ccolorado> _ds_: but i am sure my desktop is at least an ext3
[16:59] <_ds_> ccolorado, with recent kernels, should be able to mount ext2 and ext3 using ext4
[17:00] <TomWij> Hopsy: WoLing the Pi or your PC?
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, sorry - been afk for a bit- I run xfce4
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> same setup on my Pi's as desktop as laptops ..
[17:01] <Hopsy> okay
[17:01] <Hopsy> woling my pc
[17:02] <ccolorado> _ds_: my desktop FS is fine, only the raspberry pi's that i am finding hard to recover my configs and scripts
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[17:04] <Elite6809> Hello :D
[17:04] <Heckles> Hi
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> woling - WoL ?
[17:04] <_ds_> 8-bit game, 8-bit CPU there??? hmm.
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[17:05] * _ds_ doesn't recall Elite for the likes of the Dragon 32, though.
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[17:06] <Elite6809> I have a query, I have no direct ethernet access in the room with my Pi in. I have net access on my computer with a wireless dongle thing but I only have one dongle. Can I piggyback my Pi on my PC's internet with an ethernet cable?
[17:06] * shift_ is now known as shiftplusone
[17:06] <_ds_> With appropriate config changes on that PC, yes.
[17:06] <Elite6809> That's great :D
[17:07] <Elite6809> Would you be able to help me with that?
[17:07] <Elite6809> Like not do it for me but tell me the steps
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[17:07] <Heckles> Pys ethernet port auth flips as well doesn't it so just a case of ICS ? (assuming windows)
[17:08] <Heckles> Erm been a while since I've used Internet Connection Sharing and I'm on a mac atm
[17:08] <Heckles> What v of win you got ?
[17:08] <Elite6809> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04
[17:08] <_ds_> Give both Ethernet interfaces addresses; use the same subnet for both ends, but a different subnet to what's in use on the wireless connection.
[17:09] <_ds_> You'll also need to enable packet forwarding and, possibly, SNAT.
[17:09] <Heckles> ha yeah Linux networking... I'm probably the biggest noob on earth, sure some of the other guys can help tho :)
[17:09] * _ds_ finds it easier to do than to explain, unfortunately
[17:09] <viric> Heckles: read the linux nag
[17:09] <Elite6809> I'm sure I'll work it out
[17:10] <Elite6809> Thanks for the hints
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[17:16] <Hopsy> [17:04:22] <+gordonDrogon> woling - WoL ? << Yes
[17:16] <Hopsy> [17:00:52] <TomWij> Hopsy: WoLing the Pi or your PC? << Yes WoLing my pc
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> I just keep mine on all the time...
[17:17] <Hopsy> haha
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[17:19] <viric> RebootOnLAN would be nice.
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[17:20] * _ds_ imagines a reboot loop
[17:20] <Cykey> mv: failed to preserve ownership for `/boot/bootcode.bin': Operation not permitted
[17:20] <Cykey> Hm? Can't update mv stuff to /boot?
[17:20] * _ds_ notes that that's a FAT partition
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[17:21] <john_f> Cykey: that is just a warning
[17:21] <_ds_> ??? no ownership info can be stored
[17:21] <john_f> the copy worked fine
[17:21] <Cykey> john_f, ah okay. But but but, is my pi still going to boot? :o
[17:21] <john_f> that warning won't stop it
[17:23] <Cykey> john_f: should I change the ownership manually?
[17:24] <john_f> no, vfat doesn't have ownerships
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[17:25] <_ds_> Well??? technically, vfat mount points do; just not the content.
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[17:32] <sheldor> hey what can you do if retropie / emulationstation doesnt recognize your game roms?
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[17:35] <Hodapp> sheldor: I'd attempt to help, but you've still got me ignored after you threw a tantrum in ##linux...
[17:36] * _ds_ has heard tape and disk image files being called ROMs ??? that's just wrong???
[17:36] <Hodapp> _ds_: yeahhhh...
[17:36] <Hodapp> unless the disk was a compact disc, then it'd kinda be right
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[17:37] <_ds_> Not really??? cartridge dumps, yes. Arcade game ROM dumps, yes.
[17:37] <_ds_> Technically, ROM images, though.
[17:37] <Hodapp> what's wrong about "ROM dump"?
[17:38] <_ds_> Both work.
[17:38] <Hodapp> ahhh
[17:38] <Hodapp> I suppose I've almost never heard CD-ROM images called "ROMs"... almost always "ISOs" or something
[17:39] <_ds_> That's reasonable.
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[17:40] <Hodapp> though a lot of those systems read tapes in much the same way ones today would read Flash ROM; the write process might be so segregated from the read that effectively normal usage is read-only.
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[17:40] * _ds_ has a Microdrive and some cartridges somewhere???
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[17:43] <Hodapp> Microdrive? like the little hard drives that were CompactFlash-sized?
[17:43] <_ds_> No.
[17:44] <sheldor> i get segfaults when running emulationstation
[17:44] <sheldor> anybody know this?
[17:44] <sheldor> i used the retropie script to set it up automatically :(
[17:44] <Amadiro> have you tried debugging it
[17:45] <Hodapp> _ds_: ZX Spectrum then? or what?
[17:45] <_ds_> Yes.
[17:46] <sheldor> Amadiro: no, i dont know how that works
[17:46] <Amadiro> sheldor, recompile with -g or -ggdb and then run the program under gdb. It will tell you where the segfault happened and why.
[17:47] <_ds_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Forty_years_of_Removable_Storage.jpg
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[17:48] <sheldor> maybe i need to compile retropie and all the stuff from source
[17:48] <sheldor> which would take hours
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[17:48] <TomWij> viric: Indeed...
[17:48] * _ds_ notices that that image is missing 3" disks
[17:48] <TomWij> This is awesome.
[17:49] <Hodapp> _ds_: 3"?
[17:49] <TomWij> 1080p playing fine now with audio, even when the audio isn't passthrough.
[17:49] <_ds_> As used by Amstrad.
[17:49] <_ds_> (CPC6128, ZX Spectrum +3, possibly some others)
[17:49] <Hodapp> TomWij: H264?
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[17:49] <TomWij> Yeah.
[17:50] <bs123> what's the most popular irc client for linux...for on the pi
[17:50] <Hodapp> bs123: I use irssi.
[17:50] <Amadiro> bs123, using X or console-only?
[17:50] <TomWij> Not sure if it runs on the Pi, but weechat > irssi.
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[17:50] <bs123> windows here atm
[17:50] * bs123 is a linux noob
[17:51] <Amadiro> bs123, do you want it to be on the console, or running in a window under the graphical interface?
[17:51] <bs123> ahh ic
[17:51] <bs123> yeah gui
[17:51] <Amadiro> bs123, then try xchat.
[17:51] <bs123> k ty
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[17:51] <Hodapp> ugggh, this is kind of silly. I'd like to help sheldor out, but he put me on ignore about 15 minutes ago.
[17:51] <Hodapp> in a different channel.
[17:52] <boru|off> Is there a repository of information anywhere around doing some real bare metal development on the pi? (Sans OS)
[17:52] * boru|off is now known as boru
[17:52] <Amadiro> boru, I've seen some blog-posts/courses on developing OSes on the rpi, but it's fairly limited/hampered by the lack of information about the chip
[17:53] <Hodapp> Amadiro: dang, I was hoping more was known
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[17:53] <boru> Yeah, I've been doing some reverse engineering on the broadcom stuff.
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[17:53] <boru> I was hoping to find somewhere to share my findings.
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[17:53] <bs123> ahh ic there's a win version too...nice ty Amadiro
[17:53] <Hodapp> boru: perhaps it's your job to start a repo.
[17:53] <Amadiro> bs123, win as in windows?
[17:53] <bs123> yeah
[17:53] <Hodapp> boru: or see about putting it up at elinux.org - even if that's not completely relevant.
[17:53] <boru> I'm in the midst of writing some bootstrap code to bring the board up.
[17:54] <sheldor> web searches seem to suggest retropie is generally a disaster
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[17:54] <Amadiro> boru, there's http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
[17:54] <boru> Yeah, I've been following the elinux.org stuff.
[17:54] <boru> Yeah, that stuff is moreso for novices with asm and so forth.
[17:54] <boru> I'm quite a bit deeper into this stuff.
[17:54] <Hodapp> Amadiro: oooh, interesting
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[17:55] <boru> I guess I'll start a repo on github, if there isn't some already.
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[17:56] <mgottschlag> "<boru|off> Is there a repository of information anywhere around doing some real bare metal development on the pi? (Sans OS)" - yes
[17:56] <mgottschlag> checkout #raspberrypi-internals
[17:56] <Cykey> I'm trying to use the 8192cu kernel driver instead of the built-in one but I keep getting this error "ERROR: could not insert '8192cu': Exec format error"
[17:56] <mgottschlag> if you are interested in the GPU stuff
[17:57] <boru> mgottschlag: worth a look, thanks.
[17:57] <mgottschlag> ah, wait, I misread that
[17:57] <Cykey> And a little earlier I see "8192cu: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout"
[17:57] <Cykey> Does anyone know how to fix this?
[17:57] <mgottschlag> when you said broadcom, I thought you meant "without the arm core"
[17:57] <_ds_> Sounds like it's compiled for a different kernel.
[17:57] <mgottschlag> so probably not what you want
[17:58] <Cykey> _ds_: I got it from http://www.ctrl-alt-del.cc/2012/05/raspberry-pi-meets-edimax-ew-7811un-wireless-ada.html
[17:58] <boru> Ah, yes. I suppose I'm moreso contemplating writing the bare bones of an OS without the userland stuff.
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[17:58] <Cykey> (Oh, it says to use the debian6-19-04-2012 image, but I use the 12-16)
[17:59] <_ds_> ??? compile it yourself?
[17:59] <Hodapp> boru: post the github if you make one. I'd be curious.
[17:59] <Cykey> _ds_: If I could find the source-code?
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[18:00] <_ds_> Well??? that one's an in-kernel driver; it's just not necessarily built.
[18:00] <boru> Hodapp: sure thing. At the moment, it's just some C and asm describing the register map in the datasheet, with some basic i/o routines for the UART and so on.
[18:00] <boru> Bootstrap code is the goal, then going from there.
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[18:01] <_ds_> So the source package for files in /boot and the relevant /lib/modules/*???
[18:01] <mgottschlag> we are building a register database (datasheet + reverse engineered videocore parts) which includes a header file generator, that might also be interesting for arm osdev people
[18:01] <boru> Is there any word of broadcom being a bit more open about the hardware?
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[18:02] <IT_Sean> Yeah: Don't hold yer breath.
[18:02] <boru> mgottschlag: I've transposed what's in the manual, which you're welcome to, to save you some tedium.
[18:02] <TomWij> viric: Still can't get XBMC to do it though.
[18:03] <_ds_> TBH, I'd rather have an nvidia GPU ??? at least there there's the possibility of an open driver.
[18:03] <_ds_> (I prefer AMD GPUs for desktop, though.)
[18:03] <boru> Nvidia? Open? Hardly.
[18:03] <boru> The nouveau driver has been a heavy RE effort.
[18:03] <_ds_> Yes.
[18:03] <Amadiro> _ds_, the open-source ati driver is quite good
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[18:04] <_ds_> Amadiro, using that
[18:06] <_ds_> Cykey, you should have rtl8192cu anyway; just check that firmware-realtek is installed.
[18:07] <Cykey> _ds_: Yeah, but I was having reboot issues with the edimax WiFi dongle so I thought maybe i should try another driver
[18:07] <megaproxy> random non related question.
[18:07] <megaproxy> anyone in the UK know where to get a nice cheap pressure washer?
[18:08] * PhotoJim is pleased with himself... he now has made his Pi do automated audio capture and simultaneous transcoding to .mp3 ... tons of horsepower to do that. works great. :)
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, screwfix?
[18:09] <Cykey> _ds_: (Do you think it's more of a power supply issue than a software issue?)
[18:09] <_ds_> Possible.
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[18:12] <megaproxy> gordonDrogon, good shout
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[18:12] <megaproxy> there is a screwfix store near me too :D
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> either that or toolstation
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[18:13] <echosystm> what kind of speeds are people getting over usb for smb?
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> echosystm, usb storage via samba via ethernet to other devices?
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Remember that USB and Ethernet on the Pi share ethernet bandwidth, so...
[18:14] <IT_Sean> * share USB bandwidth, so...
[18:15] <megaproxy> is 85 bar good?
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[18:15] <megaproxy> i have no idea what im looking for haha
[18:15] <echosystm> gordonDrogon: yes
[18:16] <echosystm> (sharing a USB drive with the network)
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[18:16] <confuzled> does anyone here have trouhble running 1080p video via xbmc (openelec)
[18:16] <confuzled> its laggy on my end
[18:16] <confuzled> sd content is fine
[18:16] <monkers> REFLASH!
[18:16] <monkers> just kiddin.
[18:17] <confuzled> its a revb board that is not overclocked (other than anything that might be default with openelec)
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[18:18] <confuzled> media is streaming via gigabit router from a synology 1512+ so i know throughput is not to blame
[18:19] <axion> pi annot even reach 100mbit
[18:19] <axion> network streaming certain 1080p videos is a problem
[18:20] <axion> try local playback instead
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[18:20] <confuzled> ie use a usb drive connected to the device
[18:20] <confuzled> and hope i have enough power to run the drive
[18:20] <xacobe97> hi
[18:20] <PhotoJim> confuzled: use a powered hub. you can use it to power the Pi too.
[18:21] <confuzled> sounds good but the pi is in a different room from the server and i am trying ot get video in another room
[18:21] <confuzled> so its just a throughput issue on the hardware end regarding the pi
[18:21] <PhotoJim> well you can experiment.
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[18:22] <confuzled> is this somethign that is likely to change in the future or is it a limitation fo the hardware
[18:22] <bs123> i can stream 1080p from a dnla server
[18:23] <confuzled> its a high end server streaming the data, im not sure what the problem is
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[18:24] <_ds_> confuzled, clearly that's not the bottleneck???
[18:24] <confuzled> would oc/ov the pi help much
[18:25] <confuzled> i dont have it here to test right now or i woudl try
[18:25] <bs123> is your openelec up to date
[18:25] <confuzled> i used whatever the newest version was on the xbmc wiki
[18:26] <axion> not al 1080p is equal
[18:26] <axion> high bitrate scenes are a problem
[18:26] <confuzled> 20121124
[18:26] <bs123> right that too
[18:26] <axion> even with NFS, a low latency transport mechanism
[18:26] <bs123> can make a big differance
[18:27] <axion> my solution was to retire my server, and connect its drives to the pi
[18:27] <confuzled> strictly from a hardware point of view, is the pi capable in its current revision of playing all 1080p video
[18:27] <axion> couldnt have made a better choice :)
[18:27] <confuzled> ie, is this a software releated problem
[18:27] <axion> not all, o...as there is no standard as to what 1080p is
[18:27] <axion> no*
[18:27] <axion> just a resolution
[18:28] <axion> bitrate is what matters
[18:28] <confuzled> well im saying, my pc can play ALL 1080p video
[18:28] * IT_Sean hands confuzled one thousand and eighty of these "p" things he seems to be after
[18:28] <confuzled> so im asking if its a matter of hardware robustness
[18:28] <axion> dont compare the pi to a pc
[18:28] <axion> :)
[18:28] <confuzled> or simply that it is at best beta software
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[18:29] <axion> it is not a software issue
[18:29] <PhotoJim> confuzled: your PC is probably GigE, your Pi is not, so that's a factor right there. plus the Pi, if it's under heavy hardware load, cannot saturate a 100 Mbps Ethernet connection which means that you might get pauses in the video.
[18:29] <confuzled> so simply a matter of the pi not having a powerfull enough cpu
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[18:29] <axion> moreso ethernet controller
[18:29] <PhotoJim> Possibly. Not necessarily, but possibly.
[18:30] <bs123> how is the server "streaming it"
[18:30] <axion> but accomanied by cpu, yes
[18:30] <negge> could someone with Raspbian zip and upload /usr/include/interface somewhere? I accidentally removed the whole folder
[18:30] <confuzled> i wasnt comparing the two just simply trying to define my question
[18:30] <IT_Sean> PLUS, if you are reading from a USB device AND using the ethernet connection @ the same time, you may be saturating the USB bandwidth... Keep in mind that the ethernet port is really a SUB <-> Ethernet adapter internal to the Pi
[18:30] <bs123> samba could = lag
[18:30] <_ds_> Now, were the Ethernet controller on PCI rather than USB, that would help???
[18:30] <_ds_> /usr/include/interface ENOENT
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[18:30] <negge> _ds_: ?
[18:31] <confuzled> i am not using a usb drive as weell on the pi
[18:31] <confuzled> bs123, what do you mean how is it streaming
[18:31] <_ds_> Not there. No such file. (Also, not expected to be there.)
[18:31] <negge> okay
[18:31] <negge> in that case
[18:31] <_ds_> Did you mean something else?
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[18:32] <bs123> what is the server running for s/w?
[18:32] <bs123> i may be getting in over my head here
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[18:33] <confuzled> synology native software
[18:33] <echosystm> can anyone comment on samba performance from an USB hard drive?
[18:33] <confuzled> if thats what your asking
[18:33] <confuzled> raid 5
[18:33] <metawops_> folks, what do I have to add to my /etc/sources.list to be able to install "unstable" packages via apt-get, too? (I need davfs2 1.4.7)
[18:33] <confuzled> 4 drives (1 parity)
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[18:36] <axion> echosystm: SMB has high overhead. use NFS for much better performance
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[18:37] <axion> the USB hard drive would not be the bottleneck...samba would be
[18:37] <confuzled> how woudl i determine which i am using
[18:37] <confuzled> i think it is smb
[18:37] <confuzled> but how woudl i make sure
[18:37] <confuzled> (networkign literate, but very novice)
[18:38] <bs123> smb is over network only
[18:38] <bs123> no?
[18:38] <axion> so is nfs
[18:38] <bs123> ahh ok
[18:38] <PhotoJim> NFS is Linux/Unix network file sharing. SMB/Samba is Windows file sharing.
[18:38] <bs123> ahh ty
[18:38] <DeliriumTremens> i dont see much of a bottleneck with cifs
[18:38] <confuzled> the device conncects to both windows and linux systems
[18:38] * bs123 bows out...over my head
[18:38] <mythos> in fact, smb comes from ibm
[18:38] <DeliriumTremens> transfer over my gigabit ethernet at barely under gigabit speeds
[18:38] <axion> SMB is a protocol that can be used by both. Samba is a unix implementation of the protocol
[18:39] <echosystm> what kind of performance would i get from NFS axion ?
[18:39] <DeliriumTremens> 900MBit/s
[18:39] <confuzled> does that make a difference in what netowrk protocal that i can use
[18:39] * _ds_ sees at most 10MB/s over NFS
[18:39] <confuzled> oh i c sbm
[18:39] <confuzled> smb
[18:39] <axion> echosystm: NFS would push data as fast as your pi would allow
[18:39] <PhotoJim> You should be able to nearly saturate your network connection using NFS on a Pi.
[18:39] <megaproxy> http://speedtest.net/result/2218800940.png
[18:39] <echosystm> oh nice
[18:39] <megaproxy> yall like my internet?
[18:39] <megaproxy> :DD
[18:39] <PhotoJim> I posted how to connect to an NFS share on the Raspbian FAQ a few weeks ago.
[18:39] <echosystm> what is a good protocol for streaming video/music ?
[18:39] <BurtyB> I think you might be cheating a little megaproxy ;)
[18:39] <PhotoJim> megaproxy: wall can't use your Internet :)
[18:39] <confuzled> so, i just need to figure out how to change my synology to nfs
[18:39] <xacobe97> one question, should mplayer <url> work for streaming video from my server?
[18:40] <megaproxy> BurtyB, maybe a bit ;P
[18:40] <megaproxy> muaha
[18:40] <DeliriumTremens> confuzled: are you pushing those shares to any windows machines?
[18:40] <echosystm> i have my wdtvs hooked up using smb at the moment, but want to use a pi for NAS
[18:40] <confuzled> yes
[18:40] <confuzled> i am
[18:40] <DeliriumTremens> then i wouldn't recommend it
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[18:40] <DeliriumTremens> unless you have Win 7 Ultimate
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[18:40] <DeliriumTremens> Windows doesn't do NFS natively
[18:40] <axion> xacobe97: mlayer has no hardware acceleration on the pi. you must use an openmax backend such as xbmc or omxplayer
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[18:40] <PhotoJim> it's not mutually exclusive to use NFS and SMB. One can use both.
[18:41] <PhotoJim> I always use NFS if my devices support it. I use SMB/CIFS for my Windows clients and NFS for everything else.
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[18:42] <Elite6809> Guys, on Ubuntu how would I bridge my wlan0 to my eth0 so I can connect my Raspberry Pi to the internet via my desktop's ethernet port?
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[18:42] <Elite6809> Not sure if that's th correct terminology
[18:42] <confuzled> o9k my synology has nfs enabld
[18:42] * _ds_ retries with a larger file, sees 10.9MB/s
[18:42] <confuzled> so if i connect the pi to the network as nfs it should help
[18:43] <PhotoJim> confuzled: likely.
[18:43] <confuzled> now thta my server will accept both smb and nfs
[18:43] <confuzled> i will try that the next time ihave the pi
[18:43] <confuzled> thanks guys
[18:43] <confuzled> its nite nite time
[18:43] <PhotoJim> confuzled: one nice thing about NFS with Linux is that NFS supports the same file ownership and settings that native Linux filesystems support. it's a lot more seamless.
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[18:43] <PhotoJim> confuzled: you can use a mounted NFS file tree the same way as a local one, pretty much.
[18:43] <axion> confuzled: yes, but keep in mind some high bitrate scenes stutter even on NFS, but it should help significantly
[18:44] <confuzled> another thing, how woudl i check if the connection from server to linux is currently using nfs or smb
[18:44] * _ds_ notes that 10.9MB/s is saturating the pi ethernet interface
[18:44] <Elite6809> Guys, on Ubuntu how would I bridge my wlan0 to my eth0 so I can connect my Raspberry Pi to the internet via my desktop's ethernet port?
[18:44] <monkers> yah thats about as fast as yer gonna get on a 100mb ethernet nic.
[18:45] <axion> confuzled: the issue is moreso the pi's ethernet controller not able to acheive full speed 100mbit
[18:45] <axion> you could try enabling smsc9x.turbo_mode for a speedup
[18:45] <axion> thats in /boot/cmdline.txt
[18:45] <frikinz> Elite6809: the easiest is to do IP masquerading using iptables. Probably ubuntu wiki has something.
[18:45] <confuzled> another thing, how woudl i check if the connection from server to linux is currently using nfs or smb (as in the conenction from my linuux install to ym server
[18:45] <monkers> Elite6809 - you want 'internet connection sharing' - http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/lanconnect/router/linux.htm
[18:46] <confuzled> yes i want to look into turbo mode thsi weekend
[18:46] <_ds_> $ cat /sys/module/smsc95xx/parameters/turbo_mode
[18:46] <_ds_> Y
[18:46] <_ds_> $
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[18:46] <axion> turbo_mode is not snsc9x.turbo_mode
[18:46] <axion> the former is for the cpu, the latter for the ethernet controller
[18:46] * IT_Sean pushes the Turbo button
[18:46] <Elite6809> I'll have a look at those links, thanks
[18:46] * _ds_ sees no snsc9x in /sys/module
[18:47] <_ds_> (or is that in that config file in /boot???)
[18:47] <PhotoJim> Elite6809: you should only do that if you *only* have WiFi connectivity and can't connect another WiFi client.
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[18:47] <_ds_> ??? ah, scrollback sneaking past???
[18:48] <Elite6809> Yup I simply can't afford another WiFi USB receiver, but I sure have plenty of ethernet cables
[18:48] <PhotoJim> Elite6809: just as long as you know your proposed way is very complicated compared to just adding the Pi to your network. it's not your own WiFi router?
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[18:50] <pksato> Or, router is in a far place.
[18:50] <Hopsy> hey pksato!
[18:50] <PhotoJim> pksato: wire can almost always be run.
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[18:51] <Elite6809> I'm upstairs, router is downstairs
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[18:52] <pksato> Elite6809: Ubuntu must have a internet sharing function in some place.
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[18:53] <Elite6809> might be a way in Network Connections
[18:54] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[18:54] <pksato> this script share a conection on eth0 to other interface http://pastebin.com/0d6eG1ar
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[18:55] <pksato> and, RPi, or other, need to setup ip manually.
[18:55] <Elite6809> I'll have a look
[18:55] <axion> internet sharing is built in to network-manager
[18:55] <Elite6809> I've changed the IPv4 method of eth0 (Wired connection 1) to 'Shared to other computers'
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[18:56] <Elite6809> Does a route need to be set up or anything?
[18:56] <moro> Hello, anyone has a working start_496.elf for debian wheezy armel? I can't find any working one. :/
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[19:17] <metawops_> folks, what do I have to add to my /etc/sources.list to be able to install "unstable" packages via apt-get, too? (I need davfs2 1.4.7) I'm using the Wheezy image currently and wasn't successful by just adding "unstable" to the one line in my sources.list :-(
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[19:21] <moro> metawops_: replace "wheezy" with "unstable"
[19:22] <_ds_> I'd add a line for unstable, mark it as not preferred (/etc/apt/preferences), then ???aptitude update???.
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[19:25] <metawops> hm. doesn't work, moro. have davfs2 1.4.6 installed and after replacing "wheezy" with "unstable" I just get "davfs2 is already the newest version". I did an apt-get update.
[19:26] <metawops> nedd davfs2 1.4.7
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[19:26] <metawops> need
[19:26] <metawops> (because it supports redirecting, apparently)
[19:27] <_ds_> Well??? it's in Debian unstable???
[19:27] <moro> otherwise download sources and compile it manually
[19:27] <frikinz> metawops: did apt-get update work?
[19:28] <frikinz> I don't see any unstable branch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/
[19:29] <metawops> no, update did not work ("failed to fetch" & "404 not found")
[19:29] <metawops> okay, I'll download manually. :-(
[19:29] <metawops> or I'll try fusedav or wdfs
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[19:30] <pecorade> Hi.
[19:30] <bs123> hi
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[19:31] <Zencrypter> metawops, What about http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/testing/ ?
[19:32] <_ds_> That's (currently) wheezy
[19:32] <Zencrypter> ok
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[19:35] <magi> Hi guys, any GPIO experts online? :)
[19:35] <metawops> so, nobody made a raspberry specific package of davfs2 1.4.7 yet, right? (i.e., for ARMv6 architecture)
[19:36] <metawops> unfortunately, the downloaded source doesn't have a makefile or a configure script ??? I'm new to debian unixes ...
[19:39] <magi> I have a REALLY strange problem with the gpio pin #5 (header) and GPIO1 (SCL).
[19:39] <magi> I have that pin hooked up to a relayboard, everything works great if i have that relayport set as low
[19:39] <moro> metawops: where did you download it?
[19:39] <magi> If i set it to high, my raspberry card doesn't boot.
[19:40] <magi> Any one have an idea why?
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[19:46] <magi> Just to clarify, i can set ALL relayports to HIgh except the one connected to gpio pin #5 (GPIO3 SCL0)
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[19:51] <echosystm> does anyone know of any affordable ARM boards with gigabit ethernet?
[19:51] <PhotoJim> echosystm: SheevaPlug?
[19:52] <echosystm> they seem to have a lot of power/heat issues
[19:52] <PhotoJim> echosystm: and its cousins, GuruPlug etc.
[19:52] <PhotoJim> echosystm: I run two of them, and they're both reliable.
[19:52] <PhotoJim> jim@devonport:/var/spool/mail$ uptime 12:52:23 up 181 days, 18:41, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[19:52] <PhotoJim> that's the one I run my IRC session on.
[19:52] <echosystm> hm
[19:52] <PhotoJim> my first one had a bad PSU. I had to replace it. Been equally solid since.
[19:52] <echosystm> this could work
[19:52] <blahee> wandboard (when it's available) -> http://www.wandboard.org/
[19:53] <echosystm> do you use it for smb at all PhotoJim ?
[19:53] <blahee> taht sheeva/guru is yesterdays hardware (armv5)
[19:54] <echosystm> wandboard looks very nice
[19:54] <PhotoJim> so?
[19:54] <echosystm> sheevaplug should be fine for my needs
[19:55] <echosystm> all i need is 2xUSB and gig ethernet
[19:55] <echosystm> its just for file sharing and torrents
[19:55] <PhotoJim> Wandboard does look nice. but Sheeva/GuruPlugs are pretty usable boxes for a lot of applications.
[19:55] <blahee> even raspi is old stuff. Soon(ish) everythign is armv7 or later and everything is compiled as armhl and these old systems are fading away
[19:55] <viric> the sheevaplug is 1.2GHz, twice as fast as the pi
[19:55] <echosystm> i am a bit worried 512mb memory may not be enough
[19:55] <viric> by twice, I don't mean the Hz. I mean the compilation times :)
[19:55] <PhotoJim> echosystm: 512 MB of RAM is a lot of RAM, especially if you aren't running a GUI.
[19:55] <viric> Cubieboard are trendy, no?
[19:55] <blahee> viric: so? My 1.5Ghz ODROID-X is ~10x pi
[19:56] <echosystm> cubieboard dont have gig-e
[19:56] <viric> blahee: there you go
[19:56] <echosystm> odroids are nice, but again not gig-e
[19:56] <viric> yes, the sheevaplug has been there for years already.
[19:57] <echosystm> i will try a sheevaplug
[19:57] <echosystm> smb performance wasnt great though from memory
[19:57] <viric> but when the sheevaplug appeared, armv5 was already old. But Marvell was pushing armv5 to very high clock rates
[19:57] <echosystm> people having all kinds of problems and only getting 12MB/s
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[19:58] <echosystm> brb
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[20:15] <Elite6809> Hello again
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[20:16] <Elite6809> I've tried everything to get my Desktop->rPi share working, but the Pi can't pick up anything.
[20:16] <Elite6809> I've done the GUI route in Ubuntu's Network Connections
[20:16] <tpaulus> What, if any, is the best software serial library to use in python?
[20:17] <Elite6809> I've tried manually messing around in iwconfig
[20:17] <Elite6809> tpaulus: gpio might be of some use to you
[20:17] <viric> Elite6809: share what?
[20:17] <Elite6809> internet connection
[20:17] <viric> it's named masquerade in iptables.
[20:17] <Elite6809> that's what I have tried, to no effect
[20:17] <viric> For snat, mainly.
[20:18] <viric> you have iptables log targets too, to check what you do well or bad
[20:18] <Zencrypter> Elite6809, Are you trying to forward the Xorg session of the Pi on your Ubuntu computer's screen ?
[20:18] <Elite6809> nope
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[20:18] <Zencrypter> Chuck Testa. :?
[20:19] <frikinz> Elite6809: did you try the script that was posted?
[20:19] <Elite6809> get the internet connection from my wlan0 on my desktop bridged to my eth0 so I can connect my Pi to the internet via an ethernet cable
[20:19] <Elite6809> I tried another method first that required a restart, and didn't save the script locally
[20:19] <tpaulus> Elite6809, what os are you using?
[20:19] <Elite6809> Ubuntu 12.04
[20:20] <Zencrypter> Elite6809, Do you have a router ?
[20:20] <Elite6809> Yup, Netgear
[20:20] <Elite6809> I'm connected to it on my desktop via wlan0
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[20:20] <Randy_Adams_> wow irc. its been awhlie
[20:21] <tpaulus> What is the best software serial library to use in python?
[20:21] <Elite6809> tpaulus: had a look at gpio?
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[20:22] <tpaulus> Elite6809, "Note that the current release does not support SPI, I2C, PWM or serial functionality on the RPi yet" quoted form http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPi.GPIO
[20:23] <Elite6809> ah OK
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[20:25] <Amadiro> tpaulus, had a look at wiringPi?
[20:25] <frikinz> Elite6809: kept the link http://pastebin.com/0d6eG1ar. The idea is there. you need to have different ip adress space between eth0 and wlan0.. this one assumes eth0 IP to be in 192.168.0.x
[20:25] <tpaulus> Amadiro, i want to use python, and wiringPi is written in c
[20:25] <Amadiro> tpaulus, AFAIR though, SPI and I2C are just mapped to character devices by the kernel
[20:25] <Amadiro> tpaulus, just make bindings for them
[20:26] <Randy_Adams_> anyone have any input on how to stream video from a pi behind a firewall on-demand?
[20:26] <Amadiro> Randy_Adams_, is the "behind a firewall" meant to imply that you cannot modify the firewall rules?
[20:27] <Randy_Adams_> yes. i want to deploy some pi's with webcams in the field and i have no control over their firewall rules. most only allow outbound port 80
[20:28] <bcd> Amadiro: The problem does not appear to RPi, if you remember what we were talking about yesterday. Arduino and Rpi interface properly. It's the HA industry.
[20:28] <frikinz> metawops: I've built davfs2 unstable http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/pool . install with dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install to pull remaining dependencies. Not tested.
[20:29] <Amadiro> If that's the case, looks like you'd have to chose a TCP-based streaming protocol and then have the pi establish the connection to the target on that port
[20:29] <Amadiro> bcd, what?
[20:30] <bcd> The Home Automation industry is closed source, making it difficult to even use RPi and Arduino on an advanced level in home automation
[20:30] <frikinz> metawops: the source is unmodified, only a line was removed in the build script for "clean" (makes qemu segfault)
[20:30] <Amadiro> bcd, I'm sure you can find components that you can interface with using SPI/I2C/CAN/whatever.
[20:31] <bcd> Amadiro: Yes, but I'll be much more at the forefront of such development than I wanted to be
[20:31] <Amadiro> bcd, have you tried googling "arduino home automation"? Pretty much everything described there should be applicable to a large degree to the rpi or an rpi/arduino combo as well.
[20:31] <Randy_Adams_> any thoughts on how to make the pi start the stream on-demand? i thought that i put a file on a ftp server and the pi check for the presents of that file, and if its there, start the stream....
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> I find it deeply annoying that you can't make an open source ZigBee stack
[20:32] <bcd> Amadiro: The RPi and Arduino concept work great from what I've seen. It's the actually components of the HA system that are dificult to crack
[20:32] <piney> bcd, i know where you are coming from. i wish it was more open
[20:32] <bcd> SpeedEvil: Right?
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> however.
[20:32] <Amadiro> Randy_Adams_, can't you just pack a control channel into the TCP stream you have open
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> at the prices of HA stuff, you can just buy a hundred model A's. :-)
[20:33] <bcd> I actually worked at an R&D firm that did their own zigbee mesh for public use "model"
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[20:33] <bcd> SpeedEvil: See, I'm not even sure what brands to start at to really interface with RPi and Arduino
[20:33] <bcd> There's a software called OpenHAB which is just... amazing
[20:33] <piney> i sub contract for a company that does control4 stuff(i'm an alarm guy). nice stuff, but too proprietary for my liking
[20:34] <bcd> piney: All of it is. They don't want you to DIY
[20:34] <Randy_Adams_> sorry. at this point in my knowledge, thats above me. im semi skilled in linux, not in streaming video.
[20:34] <piney> exactly
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> bcd: I'd personally start with raw components
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> bcd: but that's me.
[20:35] <bcd> SpeedEvil: Exactly, but that was beyond the scope of my initial idea.
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[20:35] <bcd> SpeedEvil: Instead of repainting a motorcycle myself, I'm rebuilding an engine
[20:35] <bcd> ya know?
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> is the model a the same size as the B?
[20:35] <Amadiro> SpeedEvil, pretty much
[20:35] <piney> SpeedEvil, physically?
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> yes
[20:36] <Amadiro> SpeedEvil, the A lacks the ethernet port, which is the lumpiest part on the board
[20:36] <Amadiro> Well, maybe the USB ports are lumpier
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> but same x/y, I guess
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[20:36] <piney> it's the same board size, a little shorter height cause of the lack of an rj45 jack and one usb port
[20:36] <Amadiro> SpeedEvil, pretty much, yeah
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> I wish the chip set for the pi was available
[20:37] <bcd> SpeedEvil: I'd bet you it is
[20:37] <Elite6809> Is there a mental condition for where it seems that everyone else on the internet can solve the problem you have really easy, except you?
[20:37] <Elite6809> If there is I'm suffering from it
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> bcd: it's not
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> bcd: broadcom are complete asshats when it comes to availability
[20:38] <bcd> Elite6809: Most of the people on the internet creating DIY stuff are engineers or programmers. THey have the experience that the ordinary person lacks.
[20:38] <bcd> SpeedEvil: Oh, it's a broadcom...
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> you are unlikely to be able to purchase it in quantities of under 250k
[20:39] <piney> Elite6809, i call that CRS - Cant Remember Stuff - Stuff can be replaced though with a word that is not appropriate for this channel.
[20:39] <bcd> SpeedEvil: Qualcom will let you order chips for "development"
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> qualcom didd't have open data, I thought
[20:39] <Elite6809> I'm not the best at remembewhich channel am I in?
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> bare components are nearly useless without a complete data sheet
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> Elite6809: stupidity
[20:40] <bcd> SpeedEvil: You pay extra for it, non-competitions, etc...
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[20:40] <SpeedEvil> or just uneducation
[20:40] <Elite6809> SpeedEvil: That's my name
[20:40] <bcd> but we ordered them through a company called "Microchip"
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> bcd: err... microchip is not Qualcomm
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> microchip makes small microprocessors with their largest being 32 bit mips micros
[20:41] <bcd> SpeedEvil: From my understanding they will order Qualcomm chips based on demand for different units
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> they have lots of documents, but have nothing to do with Qualcomm who do phone and tablet SOCs
[20:42] <bcd> right
[20:42] <bcd> I was just a tester, so I could be wrong
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[20:43] <SpeedEvil> what device were you testing?
[20:43] <bcd> We had proprietary devices
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> dev boards are different to bare devices
[20:43] <bcd> mainly GPS based devices
[20:44] <bcd> SpeedEvil: If it was a return unit then I did actually test the device itself
[20:44] <bcd> but we did all of our prototype testing on dev boards
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> and if you're a large company, many vendors that will not talk to individuals
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> will do stuff for you
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[20:45] <SpeedEvil> if you're Motorola, and express interest in a broadcom part, you will likely get docs and samples easily
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[20:45] <bcd> this was private market but it fell into public sector as well
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[20:53] <Randy_Adams_> ack my pi froze it!
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[20:58] <cougarten> hi, any way to get back to the debian config dialog that appears on the first start?
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[20:58] <cougarten> or alternatively: how to change the keyboard layout without much typing :)
[21:00] <atouk> raspi-config
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[21:01] <TAFB_shoppin> atouk: I'm 99.9% finished my new Arch/seagate status page :) http://tafb.yi.org/
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[21:01] <TAFB_shoppin> just gotta get rid of phpChart and she's done :)
[21:01] <TAFB_shoppin> not sure what else to put there
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[21:05] <Launch_Director> can anyone explain what does load average in byobu mean
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[21:05] <TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: lol :) I can't, even though I watch it on my status page ticking away :)
[21:05] <Launch_Director> it's sitting at about 2.0 > 2.02
[21:06] <Launch_Director> the thing with the yellow backround...
[21:06] <Launch_Director> just confusing.. is that average transfer to disk?
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[21:10] <cougarten> atouk, thank you. it worked, but using X it's still the default keyboard layout...
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[21:40] <Randy_Adams_> [
[21:40] <Randy_Adams_> k
[21:40] <Randy_Adams_> 34
[21:40] <thetodd__> I was reading a closed thread in the forums (regarding a desire for a Model C), and something stuck out to me. What did the moderator mean by saying that the advanced boards are more capable of handling true Ethernet?
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[21:41] <thetodd__> is the Ethernet on the RPi an onboard USB Ethernet controller or something like that?
[21:41] <viric> I think so
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[21:41] <thetodd__> interesting
[21:42] <viric> [ 3.088247] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:e9:27:03
[21:43] <thetodd__> so more powerful boards like pandaboard and beagleboard have real built in Ethernet?
[21:43] <mbalho> hmm when would a usb ethernet controller cause problems?
[21:43] <Grievar> Why does raspbian lack vim?
[21:43] <Grievar> it has vi, but not vim o.o
[21:43] <rymate1234> Install it
[21:43] <mbalho> Grievar: apt-get install vim works
[21:43] <Grievar> doesn't for me
[21:43] <Grievar> says the package can't be found
[21:43] <rymate1234> sudo apt-get update
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> mbalho: it fights for bandwidth with other USB stuff
[21:44] <mbalho> SpeedEvil: ahhh good point
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> mbalho: the hub being in the way means that the device can't do device mode
[21:44] <mbalho> is device mode for things like net boot?
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> no
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> USB device node
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> pretending to be a hard disk or a webcam
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[21:46] <thetodd__> so in the heat maps of the RPi we see that the controller chip there gets hotter than the processor, is that because it is doing so much?
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[21:46] <Amadiro> thetodd__, apparently because it is connected wrong.
[21:47] <thetodd__> could we offload that heat by taking a model A and connecting it to a USB hub with it's own USB Ethernet dongle?
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> it's wired wrong
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> just watched Alice again :)
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> the network chip is powering the course
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> CPU
[21:47] <Amadiro> thetodd__, no reason why that wouldn't work
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[21:48] <SpeedEvil> as the regulators are connected together
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> whichever one has a higher set voltage 'wins' and gets to power both chips
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> they mistook a 3.3v pin on the ether/hub chip as to be connected to the system 3.3 rather than to be connected to a decoupling capacitor..
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[21:49] <_ds_> Model C??? B+, surely.
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> not sure if it was fixed on the 1.1 or the rev2 though, but it was fixed.
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[21:50] <thetodd__> gordonDrogon: really? that seems like a big flaw. oh... I understand what you are saying
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> thetodd__, yes - the ether/hub chip has it's own internal 3.3v regulator - and just needed an external decoupling capacitor, but it was connected to the boards 3.3v supply, so the regulators sort of 'fight' and the ether/hub chips gets hotter..
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> I was about to ask if this is fixed in model a.
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> but then realised it was a silly question.
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> not a show stopper, but a minor inconvenience. probably, technically, shortens the life of the chip, but you know - from 50 years to 25...
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, :)
[21:52] <thetodd__> 25 years!?!?! oh noooooeeeeessssss :D
[21:52] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, it produces a lot of heat though
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[21:52] <SpeedEvil> however.
[21:52] <thetodd__> I put a passive heatsink on it
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> mine don't get too hot to touch, so that's fine by all accounts.
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> it's violating the absolute maximum power draw from that pin
[21:52] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, mine does when I transfer files
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> the device is quite within its rights to die immediately
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 Pi's - one is the original foundation batch, and one each from Rs & Farnell's initial batches.
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> 3 different PCBs!
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[21:53] <thetodd__> I was using mine for a file server, but I now have 4 SD cards that don't work, not sure if it's related to anything
[21:53] <IT_Sean> greedy [censored]. :p
[21:54] <thetodd__> how much memory does the Model A have? is it 128?
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[21:54] <SpeedEvil> 512
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> 512 chips are likely cheaper than 128 now
[21:54] <thetodd__> 512? like the Model B? cool.... maybe I should look into that
[21:55] <thetodd__> good point
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> The A has 256MB
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> The Rev 2 B has 512.
[21:55] <thetodd__> well my B has 256 so it wouldn't be that much different
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> the original B's has 256.
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[21:57] <thetodd__> I love the Raspberry Pi, I love learning new stuff and I haven't been this excited about learning a new hardware system in a long time.
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[21:57] <socketman> hey guys... wondering if any of you got the belkin wemo communicating with your RPi?
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2615 <--- the model A announcement saying 256MB of RAM.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> and it's more TV time :)
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[22:12] <trentg> hello
[22:13] <dr_willis> Howdy
[22:13] <trentg> it is possible to boot and then remove an sd card so I can dd an image to a different sd card?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> you are booted off the SD card, so...
[22:13] <trentg> yes but it could be all stored in memory theoretically
[22:14] <atouk> only if your rootfs is on usb
[22:14] <trentg> ok. will an rpi boot from usb if I just write the raspbian image to a usb stick?
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[22:15] <atouk> no must boot off of sd
[22:15] <chithead> it can only boot from sd card. but you can put the root filesystem on usb
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[22:15] <trentg> ok I'll try that thanks :)
[22:16] <TAFB_ssd> trentg: check out berryboot
[22:16] <TAFB_ssd> trentg: it'll boot from even the smallest SD cards (I have mine on 128mb class1) and will install raspbian or whatever flavour linux you want, right to USB! :)
[22:17] <trentg> What I'm actually trying to do is copy my current filesystem to a bigger sd card
[22:17] <trentg> then expand it to fill it, is that possible?
[22:17] <TAFB_ssd> trentg: Got a windows computer with SD card reader?
[22:17] <dr_willis> or a linux box. ;)
[22:17] <TAFB_ssd> i kno windowz
[22:18] <trentg> I do have a computer with sd slot but I can't get it to work
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[22:18] <TAFB_ssd> use the flashnul from raspberripi.org/download instructions, it'll work. you can -S save your existing SD card, then write it over to the new SD card, then run raspi-config and pick "expand file system"
[22:18] <TAFB_ssd> :)
[22:19] <bs123> .
[22:19] <TAFB_ssd> in case that wasn't clear, you use flashnul on your windows box (assuming your sd card reader ain't broke) to save and then write the image, then boot it in your pi and run raspi-config to expand the operating system.
[22:19] * bs123 ping
[22:19] <TAFB_ssd> you could also boot up your PC with gparted live CD to expand the filesystem :)
[22:19] * bs123 pong
[22:20] <IT_Sean> pong
[22:20] * TAFB_ssd moo
[22:20] <trentg> I don't see any reference to "flashul" on that page
[22:20] <TAFB_ssd> trentg: it's there, one sec for link.
[22:21] <TAFB_ssd> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[22:21] <TAFB_ssd> under: "Copying the image to an SD card on Windows if first option isn't successful"
[22:21] <trentg> alright, thanks, I'll give it a try
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[23:05] <ohhmaar> what do you recommend as file server software on the raspi? AeroFS? OwnCloud?
[23:05] <dr_willis> I just use samba and ssh ;)
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[23:05] <dr_willis> but it depends on your needs i imagine
[23:07] <ohhmaar> hm. i'm going to be using it for school so prolly rather use a gui instead.
[23:08] <dr_willis> a gui.. is a little vague actually. ;)
[23:09] <dr_willis> is a sftp client a gui? ;)
[23:09] <chithead> or a webdav client
[23:09] <dr_willis> I mainly remote access from my android phone. so ssh/sftp works well for me.
[23:12] <markedathome> I'm running a headless pi, with tightvnc and it is s l o w... how can I speed it up? can it use the gpu to accelerate drawing?
[23:12] <rymate1234> markedathome, not yet
[23:12] <dr_willis> X on the pi is slow. ;(
[23:12] <dr_willis> Use the lightest window manager you can. (like jwm perhaps?) but even then its sluggish
[23:13] <dr_willis> My headless pi - is a ssh server mainly here. or a console only box.
[23:14] <markedathome> hmmm.... i thought the x was accelerated at least partially.
[23:15] <tapout> if I hook up my usb external drive to the raspberry pi uno, and the power is coming to the arduino from a phone-charger-cord (with usb plug that goes into wall)
[23:15] <tapout> do I need a powered USB?
[23:15] <tapout> powered usb hub rather
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[23:18] <tapout> dammit I said arduino
[23:18] <tapout> i meant, raspberry pi is being powered by usb cord plugged into wall :)
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[23:18] <tapout> i was looking at the arduino on my desk as i was typing
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[23:19] <tapout> do I need a powered usb hub to use a usb harddrive into the raspberry pi?
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[23:19] <tapout> or does the usb cord from the power outlet give enough juice?
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[23:20] <Lobs> it all depends on how much power the usb hdd draws,
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> generally, no hub needed
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> if the device is powered
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> it will use little or no usb power
[23:20] <bjp> the usb ports provide very little power, the hard drives ive tried can't be powered off it
[23:20] <tapout> the usb drive is only powered from usb, no external power adapter
[23:20] <tapout> bjp, sweet thank you
[23:21] <bjp> there's a good stackexchange post about it, i forgot where it is, but it basically says the usb ports provide no more than 140ma
[23:21] <bjp> unless you do some mods
[23:22] <tapout> i'll look for it, thank you!
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[23:22] <ohhmaar> bjp: i have a internal hdd in an enclosure.. will it turn on by using the raspberry pi's port?
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[23:23] <bjp> ohhmaar: if it uses less than 140mA (i doubt it)
[23:23] <bjp> probably need a powered usb hub
[23:25] <TAFB_ssd> ummm, "ls -s", what units is that in?
[23:25] <Amadiro> TAFB_ssd, "unit"?
[23:25] <TAFB_ssd> like kB?
[23:25] <trentg> blocks
[23:25] <trentg> whatever that is
[23:25] <TAFB_ssd> rofl
[23:26] <TAFB_ssd> I just tried to "nano" one of my log files, was 187362 "blocks" :(
[23:26] <trentg> "with -l, print size of each file, in blocks"
[23:26] <TAFB_ssd> -s the same? lol
[23:26] <trentg> that is -s
[23:26] <trentg> I guess it means ls -ls
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> -l is bytes
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[23:27] <trentg> here's the man page: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ls
[23:27] <TAFB_ssd> my poor box is using 150M of cache! NOOO! lol
[23:27] <magi> Does anyone know how much current the gpio pins use when activated?
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[23:28] <magi> I still have issues with a relayboard, when i set it to NC default, i can not activate/deactivate the relayport.
[23:28] <magi> If i use NO as default, i have no problem activating/deactivating the relayports.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> blocks are blocks of 512 bytes.
[23:28] <TAFB_ssd> my log files with ls -lS: http://pastie.org/5581846
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> magi, the gpio doesn't "use" any current on their own.
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_ssd, easiest way to get file size is to du -sh filename
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[23:33] <magi> gordonDrogon no i kow, bad phrasing. I just read that the Ras Pi can only deliver 3.3V on the GPIO.
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> magi, that's right - 3.3v - the max. any pin can deliver is about 16mA
[23:33] <echosystm> can anyone suggest a more powerful alternative to ras pi, but with similar quality and following?
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> echosystm, no.
[23:33] <magi> Perhaps that's my problem. When the relay is set to high, i perhaps need 5v to change the state of the relay to low.
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[23:34] <gordonDrogon> magi, you really won't be able to drive a relay via the gpio
[23:34] <slawek> hi all
[23:34] <echosystm> ive been looking into cubox and such, but they all have big problems!
[23:34] <magi> gordonDrogon sure i am. I am currently driving my 16 channel relaycard with the 5V pin.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> echosystm, there are lots of others - beagleboard, etc. but you're unlkely to find any with as big a current following as the Pi.
[23:34] <magi> I have no problem controling the ralays as long as they are NO as default.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> magi, not directly - there must be buffers on the board.
[23:35] <magi> gordonDrogon perhaps there is, i dont know the schematics of the relaycard
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> magi, 16mA is not going to close a megnetic relay.
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[23:35] <magi> Well, i can open/close each relayports if they are NO by default.
[23:36] <magi> Let me record it for you.
[23:36] <magi> I'll be back in some minutes.
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[23:37] <echosystm> gordonDrogon: i figured as such. thanks
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> echosystm, what is it that the Pi can't do for you?
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[23:38] <echosystm> i'd just like smb to be faster
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> it's not a server.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> the USB is a bottleneck.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> if you want a server, go buy an HP Proliant Microserver.
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> magi, you don't actually make sense there -most relays have a NO and a NC output from a common input.
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[23:40] <ohhmaar> is 5901 the default port for vnc?
[23:40] <BurtyB> ohhmaar, for screen 1
[23:41] <ohhmaar> BurtyB: my vnc was working well last week. now it is not..
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[23:42] <gordonDrogon> bed time for me. laters..
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[23:44] <magi> gordonDrogon yes i know, but i mean that i can state if the relays should be open or closed when i start the device.
[23:44] <magi> with jumpers.
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[23:47] <ohhmaar> well this is weird. does the internal ip of the raspi change?
[23:47] <dr_willis> ip would be whatever ever you set, or the dhcp server gives you
[23:47] <_ds_> Internal one's always / ::1, surely.
[23:48] <magi> gordonDrogon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6x_QmKkO4&feature=youtu.be
[23:48] <magi> Do you see the jumpers next to the gpio ports?
[23:48] <magi> Those jumpers decide if the relays are open or closed on boot/start.
[23:48] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: can I ask how you did do the vnc thing?
[23:49] <Hopsy> I am trying to remote windows from raspberrypi using xtightvncviewer
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[23:49] <magi> As you can see, channel 2 has no jumper and i can open/close the relay port
[23:49] <Hopsy> its not working properly
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[23:50] <magi> http://www.elecfreaks.com/wiki/index.php?title=16_Channel_Mini-Relay_Module#Hardware_Installation
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