#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-27

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[0:00] * ekristen (~ekristen@ip68-99-144-215.mc.at.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:00] <ekristen> anyone know how http://telly.com/LUU0U was achieve
[0:00] <ekristen> achieved?
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[0:04] <sphenxes> I am using motion to stream videos to my browser. I would like to store the whole stream (not only on motion detection). Where can I do that in motion.config
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[0:08] <ohhmaar> so i inserted a external hard drive powered by usb. I know it might not work due to the power issue but do i have to mount it?
[0:09] <scummos^> unless you run something which automatically mounts devices on plug in or on access (such as a file manager), yes.
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[0:09] <ohhmaar> well raspbian has a file manager but it isnt showing up
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[0:11] <ohhmaar> oh one more thing how can i make tightvncserver run upon startup?
[0:11] <scummos^> you can e.g. use an init script
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[0:12] <djazz> using omxplayer i got a nice boot animation :D (arch)
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[0:13] <djazz> the animation/video starts about 5 secs after power on
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[0:14] <scummos^> haha
[0:14] * monkers is now known as monkeypaws
[0:14] <scummos^> don't you want to use, like, splashy
[0:15] <djazz> 1080p mp4 at 25 fps :D
[0:15] <djazz> i want to start it earlier, anyone know how to do that with systemd?
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[0:24] <slawek> Hi guys ;) Has anyone try HTTP live streaming via ffmpeg and rpi?
[0:25] <slawek> Sorry if my english is bad (im still learning linux, rpi and english ;))
[0:27] <slawek> I would like to have 10 *.ts files and 1 *.m3u8 so they will override over and over again
[0:27] <slawek> but i cant do this properly with ffmpeg
[0:28] <Lobs> sounds more like some thing you should ask in #ffmpeg
[0:28] <Lobs> what is your source for ffmpeg?
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[0:30] <slawek> yeah i guess ;)
[0:30] <slawek> source is spts multicast
[0:30] <slawek> well i guess i should ask on #ffmpeg
[0:30] <Lobs> so in theory you could get it working on a normal pc to verify it isnt anything pi specific
[0:31] <slawek> well and here comes my question
[0:31] <slawek> how "capable" is pi?
[0:31] <Lobs> if you plan to do any re encoding with ffmpeg, then you may aswell just forget it,
[0:31] <slawek> :(
[0:31] <Lobs> if you are just using frame copying and not re encoding you would likely be ok.
[0:32] <ohhmaar> bjp: if i buy a powered usb hub can i connect the external hard drive and the raspi?
[0:32] <ohhmaar> or would that be too much?
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[0:32] <slawek> Lobs: well, this is the answer i was afraid of
[0:33] <Lobs> slawek: remember the pi is only a low clock cpu.
[0:33] <slawek> Lobs: well, yeah i remember ;)
[0:33] <slawek> but was curious how much i can do with it ;)
[0:34] <Lobs> slawek: i remember someone saying somewhere that the pi's cpu is most similar to a PIII cpu at a slightly higher clock speed.
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[0:34] <Lobs> dont know how true that is, but a PIII is rather slow when it comes to video work.
[0:35] <slawek> well i saw there is license, so it can use hardware to transcode MPEG-2
[0:35] <Lobs> thats for playback,
[0:35] <slawek> oh i see
[0:35] <slawek> my mistake then
[0:36] <Lobs> and if you had video hardware made for the pi (like a camera to plug into a special IO on it) it can encode from that,
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[0:36] <bjp> ohhmaar: i haven't tried it
[0:36] <Lobs> but ffmpeg cannot use that feature at this point in time..
[0:36] <Lobs> could happen one day, but a lot of the video side is closed source and is very hard to get info for.
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[0:47] <bs123> confuzled you fix your video lag?
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[0:56] <sheldor> retropie has been compiling for fucking 6 hours straight now :(
[0:56] <sheldor> and still no end in sight
[0:57] <sheldor> are there rpi cross compilers?
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[1:00] <sheldor> slawek: there are also licenses for h264 and mpeg2 encoding now, the hardware can do it
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[1:00] <sheldor> at least i remember reading that
[1:00] <sheldor> somewhere
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[1:01] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[1:02] <sheldor> slawek: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839
[1:02] <TomWij> sheldor: Not sure what "rpi" cross compilers would be; but a normal ARM cross compiler will do, I'm using distcc here.
[1:02] <sheldor> sorry my bad, no mpeg2 encoding, but h264!
[1:02] <sheldor> TomWij: oh cool, well im not good at programming/compiling i thought maybe there are certain rpi specifics the compiler needs to address?
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[1:03] <TomWij> sheldor: Not really, just bring the libraries into the cross compiling root.
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[1:03] <sheldor> wow nice
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[1:03] <TomWij> libraries = /opt/vc/...
[1:04] <sheldor> maybe i can even finish the cross compilation before the 6+ hours native compilation XD
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[1:04] <TomWij> Probably, I should try to cross compile more and script the resulting binary package installation. Although distcc already does most of the job.
[1:05] <sheldor> i will play with it
[1:06] <TomWij> It makes it feasible to run a distro like Gentoo Linux on the RPi.
[1:06] <m1k3> hello all, (relatively) new raspy owner
[1:06] <m1k3> raspi*
[1:11] <sheldor> cool, h264 encoding is even free
[1:11] <sheldor> hi m1k3
[1:11] <sheldor> welcome
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[1:27] <AndyJS> Protect your Raspberry Pi's LAN port from excess wear by fitting it with a Raspberry Pi LAN Port Protector!
[1:28] <scummos^> hahaha what
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[1:33] * monkeypaws is now known as monkers
[1:33] <mbalho> i would like to order 2000 of those please, where do i sign up
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[1:36] <trentg> mbalho: you've just entered into a verbal agreement. You HAVE to buy 2000 now.
[1:37] <scummos^> for $49,95 each
[1:37] <mbalho> if i back out you will get my ip traceroute and login to my xp desktop and steal my identities
[1:38] <trentg> Not me but I'm sure someone will
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[1:44] <sheldor> finally my retropie works :)
[1:44] <sheldor> but sound doesnt :(
[1:44] <sheldor> any idea why?
[1:44] <trentg> hdmi?
[1:44] <sheldor> yes trentg
[1:44] <trentg> try setting the option in /boot/config.txt
[1:44] <trentg> I forget what it's called but it worked for me
[1:45] <sheldor> it says "Audio rate control was desired, but driver does not support needed features." in the console
[1:45] <sheldor> oh thanks let me check that
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[1:47] <sheldor> trentg: i found a "force hdmi" option, let me reboot
[1:47] <sheldor> oh the boot screen looks different now
[1:48] <sheldor> YAY!!!!
[1:48] <sheldor> thanks trentg !!
[1:48] <trentg> \o/
[1:48] <sheldor> :D
[1:48] <sheldor> works
[1:49] <trentg> I figured that's what YAY!!!! meant
[1:49] <sheldor> hehe
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[1:52] <Grievar> Is the kind of cable that goes into the camera connector hard to come by?
[1:52] <Datalink|mobile> Fairly hard
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[1:54] <Datalink|mobile> I actually don't know a manufacturer off the top of my head that does ribbon connectors, plus the pinout isn't specifically a broad pinout standard
[1:54] <Grievar> hmmm
[1:55] <Grievar> debating just scraping the resist off of the traces on the other side of the board and soldering some really skinny wire to them
[1:55] <Grievar> I really want that second I2C bus
[1:56] <Datalink|mobile> The Foundation is working on a camera, or someone is, some mylar tape and copper cable could work
[1:56] <Grievar> or actually no scraping necessary I can just solder to the side of the pullup resistors
[1:56] <markit> Datalink|mobile: wouldn't be better work for a I/O expansion board instaed? like geriboard or whatever is called that is no more available
[1:56] <markit> should be more useful than a webcam, no?
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[1:57] <Datalink|mobile> Yeah, but most of that cable are video IO pins, donno what you'd need the I2C for, P1 has one
[1:58] <Grievar> I already have one, I want two
[1:58] <Grievar> one doesn't have enough bandwidth
[1:59] <Datalink|mobile> There's also an SPI, those are faster, since clocking's out of band
[1:59] <Grievar> yes but the devices in question are set up to receive I2C and SPI doesn't do multiple receivers very nicely
[2:00] <Grievar> also clocking is out of band with I2C too isn't it?
[2:00] <pksato> connector of CSI and DSI are for 16 vias flat cable, can find it as replacemente for some cd player.
[2:00] <Datalink|mobile> Heh, derp, right
[2:01] <Datalink|mobile> Oh, really?
[2:01] <Grievar> pksato: I'm thinking I might be able to find one sitting around at the local hackerspace
[2:01] <Grievar> pksato: er, isn't it 15 way?
[2:02] <Grievar> not 16
[2:02] <Aranel> what to use on RasPi to share music? Subsonic eats too much ram/doesn't actually work, MPD drives me crazy
[2:03] <pksato> cut extra wire. :)
[2:03] <Datalink|mobile> You only need 2 to 4 :P
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[2:05] <sheldor> whats the latest cool rpi project?
[2:07] <Neo--> hey guys, I've just installed archlinux and wanted to SSH into rpi, but I get port 22: connection refused??? as I'm reading, ssh should be running and accepting connections, but mine isnt??? any ideas why? is there a boot option I should append to cmdline.txt or something?
[2:07] <Neo--> problem is I can't attach a monitor and keyboard ATM since I only have laptop here with me
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[2:09] <KwikkSilva> HI all
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[2:09] <pksato> Neo--: ssh not started a boot time. Need to access sd arch file system and do some magic. :)
[2:10] <sheldor> speaking of ssh is there a way to control the actual tty on screen remotely, like ssh just that you can startx and all that?
[2:10] <pksato> sheldor: need to use a screen program.
[2:10] <sheldor> i dont need visual feedback
[2:10] <sheldor> just want to send the keystrokes via lan
[2:10] <sheldor> pksato: can you give an example?
[2:11] <Datalink|mobile> Why do you need to send input to the console?
[2:11] <sheldor> Datalink|mobile: for using the rpi
[2:11] <sheldor> i just want to plug it into a tv and connect it to lan
[2:11] <sheldor> then i want to control it with my laptop
[2:12] <sheldor> and see the result of what i am typing on the tv
[2:13] <Datalink|mobile> Oh... uh, there's a soft-KVM like that but I forget it's name, I just have a bluetooth keyboard and touchpad for mine when I do use console
[2:13] <Grievar> Neo--: if you happen to have the right adapter you can talk to Pi over serial
[2:13] <sheldor> but i want lan. soft-kvm sounds promising...
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[2:14] <Datalink|mobile> Uh, lemme google it, I may remember the name
[2:14] <sheldor> thx Datalink|mobile
[2:14] <Grievar> sheldor: vnc?
[2:14] <Grievar> sheldor: I mean, vnc works for X, but not for console
[2:14] <sheldor> Grievar: can i vnc into the plain console?
[2:14] <sheldor> i dont want x
[2:14] <sheldor> yeah
[2:15] <sheldor> i am not sure whether retropie uses x or some other graphics
[2:15] <sheldor> but i cannot use it with ssh and of course i want the output on the actual tv, not in a window of my laptop
[2:15] <Neo--> Grievar, nop :/
[2:15] <Datalink|mobile> http://synergy-foss.org/ but it like most of those will require X
[2:16] <Neo--> I presume filesystem type is ext4?
[2:16] <pksato> ttysnoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections
[2:16] <sheldor> Datalink|mobile: that looks interesting!
[2:16] <Datalink|mobile> SSH would let you use the pi without the tv but you would need screen or some complex solution to output to TV for non OMxPlsyer type stuff
[2:16] <sheldor> lets see
[2:17] <sheldor> basically i simply want to send the keystrokes via lan
[2:17] <Datalink|mobile> Complex=keyboard emulator that costs more than a wireless keyboard in time and/or money
[2:17] <sheldor> shouldnt be fundamentally hard
[2:18] <sheldor> you just need a server that listens on some port and pipes all my keystrokes to tty1
[2:18] <Datalink|mobile> It's an abnormal interaction so not a lot of dev in that area
[2:18] <sheldor> hm i thought it is a fairly useful use case
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[2:18] <Datalink|mobile> SSH fills the need of remote interaction, anything you need graphics for doesn't go to console
[2:19] <drpenguin> Hey, I just found an announcement that the GPU Userland was just open sourced. This is just to write things like X/Wayland drivers right? The firmware for board initialization (like start.elf) are still closed source right?
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[2:21] <Datalink|mobile> Yeah, we have Linux level, we do not have the gpu firmware, nor do we need to in practical operation
[2:21] <drpenguin> Datalink|mobile: ok, I just wanted to make sure this wasnt them changing the status of the firmware, thank you
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[2:23] <sheldor> i found something
[2:24] <sheldor> echo foo > /dev/tty1
[2:24] <sheldor> sends foo to tty1
[2:24] <sheldor> but doesnt press enter
[2:24] <sheldor> (from ssh)
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[2:25] <TomWij> Yeah, I usually do `clear > /dev/tty1`.
[2:25] <Datalink|mobile> That displays, like program output
[2:25] <sheldor> maybe i can netcat it
[2:25] <sheldor> Datalink|mobile: it simly sends keystrokes to tty1
[2:25] <TomWij> Or when building something you can `tail -f /path/to/some/build/log > /dev/tty1`
[2:25] <sheldor> simply*
[2:26] <Datalink|mobile> Yeah to stdout on tty1 not stdin
[2:26] <sheldor> is it possible to generally redirect stdin?
[2:26] <Datalink|mobile> I'd have to do more reseach than I can from where I'm at
[2:28] <sheldor> rofl
[2:29] <sheldor> i almost did it
[2:29] <sheldor> in one ssh console i ran: nc -l 8888 > /dev/tty1
[2:29] <sheldor> then in another i ran: nc localhost 8888
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[2:29] <sheldor> and it actually appeared on tty1 with enter
[2:29] <sheldor> but the problem is it didnt interpret it
[2:30] <UnaClocker> Yay.. Only about a month to wait for my Lapdock adapters to arrive from Hong Kong..
[2:30] <sheldor> it just writes it out
[2:30] <TomWij> We know, it's stdout.
[2:30] <sheldor> TomWij: well it is redirected to /dev/tty1
[2:31] <Datalink|mobile> Best I can find with just my phone: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/640493/redirect-the-stdin-to-come-from-a-different-terminal-using-bash likely not an answer as you need
[2:32] <Datalink|mobile> UnaClocker woo
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[2:32] <sheldor> yeah i saw that Datalink|mobile
[2:32] <sheldor> hence i tried the nc idea
[2:33] <Datalink|mobile> sheldor, again, this is going to be a lot more complex than I can answer from McDonalds on my cellphone
[2:33] <sheldor> Datalink|mobile: and it did what the stackoverflow answer says is impossible directly
[2:33] <sheldor> lol okay Datalink|mobile
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[2:33] <Datalink|mobile> msg my main login and I'll persue this when I make it home Datalink is me
[2:33] <sheldor> sure Datalink|mobile
[2:34] <mahrud> Hi guys, happy holidays
[2:34] <mahrud> I have a somewhat off topic question: is it illegal to use the first picture in this post: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2159 in a RasPi course flyer?
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[2:34] <Datalink|mobile> I've done crazy std play as have friends, I'll look into this when I get home in an hour or so
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[2:35] <sheldor> thanks Datalink|mobile
[2:35] <mahrud> never mind, I guess it is ...
[2:35] <Datalink|mobile> mahrud, you would have to ask Liz, the owner of the pictures
[2:36] <sheldor> mahrud: no idea but are the glasses of the kids in the third picture real or just a crude joke?
[2:36] <Datalink|mobile> If for educatonal then it is possible, but only after asking for permission
[2:36] <Datalink|mobile> Asking and getting
[2:36] <Datalink|mobile> sheldor, both
[2:37] <sheldor> rofl what the http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/SSLHoF-Rpi-and-Lego-WeDo-5.jpeg
[2:37] <Datalink|mobile> As a person who had glasses from about that age.... both
[2:37] <sheldor> but as the girls in the background seem to be wearing the exact same model it must be some joke
[2:37] <Datalink|mobile> Might be
[2:37] <Datalink|mobile> Fff
[2:37] <mahrud> Datalink|mobile: alright, thanks. I don't suppose she'll be able to see my email or comment anytime soon though ...
[2:38] <sheldor> Datalink|mobile: nothing against glasses per se but these seem to be nerdish on purpose
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[2:38] <Datalink|mobile> mahrud, she's kikely off for the holiday but it's boxing day in the UK so she might
[2:38] <sheldor> and apparently they are
[2:38] <Datalink|mobile> Likely*
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[2:39] <Datalink|mobile> Still say real and joke but I have burned my 4th grade photos at this point
[2:39] <Datalink|mobile> Afk
[2:39] <njbair> I'm looking for opinions (dangerous on the Internet, I know). Would folks be willing to deal with a larger enclosure for the Pi if it allowed for all the ports to be located on one edge?
[2:40] <Datalink|mobile> Yes
[2:40] <sheldor> no
[2:40] <sheldor> i like the compact size
[2:40] <mahrud> thanks
[2:40] <njbair> ok
[2:40] <Datalink|mobile> And yes that sounds possible, but not gonna be the top case, you will sell though
[2:41] <Datalink|mobile> I have heard the demand for all on a side here and there
[2:41] <UnaClocker> heh, I just noticed P5 on my Rev 2 board..
[2:41] <njbair> what about price? I know the low price is obviously a key selling point for the Pi but I haven't seen any really high-end cases for it.
[2:41] <UnaClocker> 4 more GPIO's.. Very nice.
[2:41] <Datalink|mobile> I need a rev 2
[2:43] <UnaClocker> Ya know, the Rev 2 256mb boards are probably some of the rarest Pi's.. I wonder how many they made before moving to 512mb..
[2:44] <njbair> I just got two 512 boards for christmas
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[2:46] <njbair> looking at the top of the Pi, above the SD card slot, is that a clamp for a ribbon for an SD card reader?
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[2:50] <MoleMan> Using raspbian, MySQL install failed and now I can't un-install, whatever I do reslts in it attempting to reconfigure it, any suggestions?
[2:50] <KwikkSilva> i have what may be a dumb question - trying to install wicd - getting "Service dbus has to be enabled to start service wicd"
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[2:51] <KwikkSilva> My wireless adapter is not inserted.. might that be the problem (i don't have the power on the bus yet to insert it)
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[2:52] <mhoney> ls
[2:52] <mhoney> whoops
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> .
[2:53] <SpeedEvil> ..
[2:53] <rikkib> null
[2:53] <Datalink|mobile> Wifi should be plugged in before power on unless through a hub with caps
[2:53] <BurtyB> njbair, no it's for the display iirc
[2:53] <njbair> well there's another one over between the HDMI and Ethernet ports
[2:54] <mhoney> I sure hope the next rpi is a dual core
[2:54] <mhoney> this baby needs just a little more power
[2:54] <mhoney> and a gig of ram ;)
[2:54] <Datalink|mobile> We'd need a better source for all that
[2:54] <mhoney> source for what?
[2:54] <Datalink|mobile> Hm tegra based... that'd be cool
[2:55] <Datalink|mobile> Cpus
[2:55] <njbair> mhoney: it might not be a Pi, but perhaps another board designed to "compete" with it.
[2:55] <BurtyB> njbair, for a camera (or the other way around)
[2:55] <mhoney> cortex a8?
[2:55] <njbair> Which is, I believe, what Eben had in mind the whole time
[2:55] <MoleMan> mhoney: by the sound of it you should be looking at the odroid
[2:55] <Datalink|mobile> I'd like tl see my Captive's cpu on a pi
[2:55] <mhoney> That odroid u2 looks sweet indeed
[2:56] <Datalink|mobile> Tegra 2
[2:56] <mhoney> almost ordered one until I started reading about the poor support for the samsung cpu
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[2:57] <Datalink|mobile> Aww this is cute, little stuffed Androids at the store... next to a mountain of angry bird stuff
[2:58] <dr_willis> I saw some 'android' dolls only they were called 'iBots' ;)
[2:58] <mhoney> if only the riko droid units supported linux ;( I see there is progress being made at slated but has a long way to go
[2:58] <mahrud> hmm, do you guys know any examples of a raspi course flyer? I need some ideas ...
[2:58] <Datalink|mobile> Nah these had the actual name
[2:59] <Datalink|mobile> mahrud board pictures on elinux are public domain, also wikipedia, just attribute
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[3:01] <mahrud> thanks
[3:01] <Datalink|mobile> Np, spread our pi influence well
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[3:02] <mahrud> I will ;)
[3:04] <tapout> touching the raspberry pi while running is bad, right? What surface do you guys put the thing on? ... I didn't buy a case ...
[3:04] <dr_willis> a bit of clean cardboard. ;)
[3:04] <dr_willis> Or make a little cardboard box/case for it.
[3:05] <lasers> Lego? :)
[3:05] <Datalink|mobile> Old gift cards
[3:05] <dr_willis> I cant find just normal 'classic' lego sets in the stores.. they were all these overpriced starwars, or Lord of the rings.. kits for like $50!
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[3:06] <Datalink|mobile> But yeah, it's not fatal but you do want to avoid contact
[3:06] <lasers> Craigslist. $5 for few Lego pieces.
[3:06] <Datalink|mobile> Moment.... Inm
[3:06] <dr_willis> I do have access to CNC mills and lathes at work. May make a nylon case.
[3:06] <Datalink|mobile> I'm in a store
[3:06] <Datalink|mobile> Ooh, nylon
[3:06] <dr_willis> could just use balsa wood.. or a small wooden box. or a xmas gift box..
[3:07] <dr_willis> seen lots of them at the various stores over the last week or 2
[3:07] <rikkib> I make em out of aluminium
[3:07] <tapout> lol, daughter's huggies portable green case for baby wipes will work, sweet !
[3:07] <tapout> losing my pi virginity in about 1 minute :)
[3:08] <Datalink|mobile> Hm, duplo.... there's a bucket of generic, $34.99 at Shopko
[3:08] <dr_willis> ;)
[3:08] <dr_willis> I was thinking duplo was a bigger sized brick for toddlers.
[3:08] <Datalink|mobile> We need to get a project enclosure on Lego's kickstarter clone
[3:08] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-dev.jpg
[3:09] <Datalink|mobile> It is, the buckets also come in regular blue tubs
[3:09] <dr_willis> it is toddler/bigger sized bricks?
[3:09] <MoleMan> duplo is? its the massive stuff?
[3:09] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/stm32-rpi.jpg
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[3:09] <dr_willis> ;) i wonder where my old legos went from 30 yrs ago...
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[3:10] <dr_willis> had little doors and shutters and everything.
[3:10] <dr_willis> time to call my mom. ;P
[3:10] <MoleMan> and rikkib surely aluminiium is bad? risk of it shorting out? (I know I've rebooted mine by accidentaly shorting the GPIO before)
[3:10] <Datalink|mobile> Do you want a pic of this or something?
[3:10] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sw-but.jpg
[3:10] <Datalink|mobile> Alunumum is possible with insulation spacers
[3:10] <MoleMan> dr_willis: I went and found some lego and built a case a while ago, but decided it was too big and not a very good fit :/
[3:11] <dr_willis> the Al. Pi Cases ive seen have some sort of liner/foam in the bottom.
[3:11] <Datalink|mobile> Adafruit has a milled brick enclosure
[3:11] <rikkib> I use an insulating material underneath
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[3:11] <Torikun> yo
[3:11] <rikkib> The stuff you find under smp's
[3:11] <dr_willis> but i saw one that had Al. toucheing the tops of some chips for a heat sink effe4ct.
[3:11] <lasers> NES Controller!
[3:11] <lasers> Will that work?!
[3:11] <dr_willis> Save it. :) to make a joystick out of. ;P
[3:12] <dr_willis> get a empty pack of Cigs. and a xacto knife.
[3:12] <Datalink|mobile> Nes controller is too thin
[3:12] <rikkib> and the new RPi have mounting screws
[3:12] <Datalink|mobile> Altoids tin and some paper
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[3:13] <dr_willis> I got loads of those cans.
[3:13] <dr_willis> Cutting the slots is the pain.
[3:13] <Datalink|mobile> Yeah
[3:13] <dr_willis> Unless you use a dremel. and a lot of patience.
[3:13] <MoleMan> My RPi was in a match box for a while... still need to cut out the connector holes though
[3:13] <lasers> SNES Controller?
[3:14] <lasers> N64 Controller? :P
[3:14] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[3:14] <MoleMan> I have a little blue plastic box I store it in, not enough space for the cables to connect inside the box though :(
[3:14] <Datalink|mobile> Thinner than the original on one axis
[3:14] <rikkib> I have a blank case ready for the cut outs on the bench
[3:14] <Datalink|mobile> Mine's in a pibow
[3:15] <dr_willis> I got 2 cases i ordered with the pi's but both are bothersom. and dont hold it well.,
[3:15] <dr_willis> you get some good quality hdmi cables plugged in.. and well they are heavier then the case,
[3:15] <lasers> rikkib: Beautiful.
[3:16] <Datalink|mobile> Heh, yeah
[3:16] <dr_willis> Got some small screws and some nylon at work today. going to just mount it to the nylon block. then screw it to the wall. ;)
[3:17] * rikkib is busy getting more resources... Installed two test RPi at clients places. Now short of stuff for the 4 512 boards I have
[3:19] <rikkib> open dir of caps from RPi cam I installed at a clients
[3:19] <Datalink|mobile> My pi likes it's case, a friend thinks it runs hot though
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[3:20] <lasers> rikkib: What camera?
[3:20] <rikkib> Cheapo
[3:20] <rikkib> web cam
[3:20] <rikkib> usb
[3:20] <rikkib> uvcvid
[3:21] <lasers> Ah. Gotcha. I have few Xbox Live Vision camera around here. I kept wanting Kinect for Skype or something. :3
[3:22] <Datalink|mobile> Heh, kinect would have more CPU than the pi :P
[3:22] <rikkib> I need to have the cam pointed down a bit and try to cut out the trucks on the road
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[3:30] <shapr> Does anyone have a script to automatically connect a raspi to any open wifi access point?
[3:30] <shapr> Ideally it should also check for actual internet connectivity, but I can extend an existing script.
[3:31] <mhoney> shapr: that would be a handy thing
[3:31] <Datalink|mobile> Wicd can get you started beyond that not really, I ended up using an arduino to connect to my school's wifi with mine
[3:32] <shapr> Datalink|mobile: How does that work? raspi to arduino to wifi?!
[3:32] <shapr> My $10 usb wifi widget works with manual config of wpa_supplicant, but I'm hoping to get past that.
[3:33] <tapout> so my raspberry pi's came with aluminum coolers, do I just stick these on each chip?
[3:34] <shapr> Ooh, mine didn't!
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[3:34] <Datalink|mobile> The Arduino was my serial console, the AVR was forced into reset (tristate) and I wired up the serial and ground lines to the pi
[3:35] <tapout> i ordered mine from element14, they came with the arduinos
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[3:43] <pw-> what's the upper temp limit for the pi?
[3:44] <dr_willis> Hmm.. This Pi is not going to fit in any of the altoids cans i have...
[3:44] <dr_willis> the corners are too rounded on the cans.
[3:45] <Datalink|mobile> Aww
[3:45] <Moopington> Think it says something about on the site's faq's. I was dissapointed too. :(
[3:45] <Datalink|mobile> Sorry about that
[3:45] <dr_willis> I did find a little wooden gift box thats the right width of the mb. .. but that rca conector is in the way.,
[3:45] <mhoney> anyone here ever use a 64 or 128gb sd card with the pi?
[3:45] <dr_willis> They make 128gb sd cards?
[3:45] <mhoney> yup
[3:45] <pw-> don't do it
[3:45] <mhoney> expensive though
[3:45] <Moopington> Nope. Currently I have a 512 mb sd card in it. XD (I need to go shopping for tech stuff soon)
[3:46] <pw-> the pi corrupts the filesystem if you have it stored on the SD card
[3:46] <dr_willis> I was thinking there was a upper limit of 32 or 64mb for SDHC
[3:46] <pw-> put /boot on the SD and everything else on a usb flash drive
[3:46] <mhoney> ive been running pi on 32gb for many months 24/7 no trouble
[3:47] <pw-> it'll happen to you eventually
[3:47] <pw-> sooner if you overclock
[3:47] <mhoney> pw-: I think you just had a crappy sd card
[3:47] <pw-> hasn't happened to me
[3:47] <pw-> well documented issue, though
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[3:47] <pw-> i went with a usb key right out of the gate
[3:47] <mhoney> point me to that documentation please
[3:48] <mhoney> ive read a LOT of stuff on the rpi and never seen that
[3:49] <pw-> http://tinyurl.com/c94bjmm
[3:49] <pw-> http://tinyurl.com/c94bjmm
[3:49] <pw-> http://tinyurl.com/c94bjmm
[3:49] <pw-> crap
[3:49] <pw-> sorry
[3:49] <pw-> damn irc client
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[3:51] <mhoney> pw-: thanks for the link but that seems to be more of a power supply issue
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[3:52] <mhoney> I had a crappy PS when I first got my pi and it did strange things.
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[3:53] <mhoney> although that was a v1 pi so I think that was part of the trouble too
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[4:01] <ohhmaar> Hello
[4:02] <ohhmaar> I'm trying to mount a external hard drive to my raspberry pi using the sudo blkid method
[4:02] <ohhmaar> and adding the UUID in /etc/fstab
[4:02] <ohhmaar> And i'm getting an error that the line i added in the fstab file is bad.
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[4:04] <KwikkSilva> hmm thats wierd - so hooked it up to a 50" Samsung tv - XBMC comes up - hooked it up to a Toshiba 32" says "Unsupported Video Signal"
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[4:06] <tapout> how long should an on-line resize of /dev/mmcblk0p2 take? it's been like 10+ minutes... class 10 card
[4:07] <shapr> How large is the card?
[4:08] <tapout> 32G
[4:08] <shapr> I think that may take some time.
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[4:10] <wad> Yay, I got my new 512MB pi!
[4:11] <netw1z> congrats!
[4:11] <wad> Waiting eagerly for the latest Raspbian image to download.
[4:11] <wad> The torrent is about ten times slower than the direct link, for some strange reason.
[4:12] <tapout> isp
[4:13] <tapout> throttles you
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[4:13] <ohhmaar> ext4 is best for raspbian right?
[4:13] <ohhmaar> for a external hard drive
[4:13] <tapout> that's what i would use
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[4:13] <ohhmaar> cause i'm having trouble making it automount while formatted to fat32
[4:13] <mhoney> external drive really kills the form factor convenience
[4:14] <pw-> it's all about streaming
[4:14] <wad> I have no ISP on that computer, actually.
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[4:15] <ohhmaar> tapout: can i format it on raspbian?
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[4:19] <KwikkSilva> HI guys - is there anything i can do to try and get my Pi to appear on my 32" Toshiba?
[4:19] <KwikkSilva> works fine on my Samsung
[4:19] <Tachyon`> you might check it's not being set to use an incompatible mode
[4:21] <KwikkSilva> checked boot.txt (which is where i think i am supposed to go) nothing about hdmi in there though
[4:23] <TAFB_ssd> config.txt
[4:24] <TAFB_ssd> if it's on raspbian/wheezy
[4:24] <KwikkSilva> sry thats what i meant!
[4:24] <KwikkSilva> I found some info about values i can throw in there to try fix it
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[4:28] <mhoney> thin slice H
[4:28] <mhoney> interesting computer
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[4:29] <c_k> KwikkSilva: if it isn't working with defaults, try some options - http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
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[4:37] <cougarten> can anyone explain to me which resolution naturally comes out of the svideo?
[4:37] <dr_willis> All righty. Found a little bity Bamboo box. carved it up with a x-acto knife.. got a nice little pi case. but its just a hair too short ;( cant use the slideing lid.
[4:37] <dr_willis> but at least its holding it snug.
[4:38] <SpeedEvil> dr_willis: you can recess the backside lumps
[4:39] <dr_willis> SpeedEvil: that may take a bit of doing.. Its made out bamboo. so its a little bit hard to carve. :) plus even then. i dont think i will have enough clearance. I need like over an eight of an inch.
[4:39] <dr_willis> Tough little box. ;) it was like a gift box for some silly souvineer. :)
[4:39] <dr_willis> box was more use then what was in it.
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[4:42] <dr_willis> Hmm. should have made the sd card totally in the box instead of sticking out part way. :) may as well have it totally hidden. or totally accessable..
[4:43] <clear`> a lot of different ways they could have done that
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[4:45] <dr_willis> I still have to cut slots for the network able and usb.
[4:45] <dr_willis> but at least it has some protection now. and its a snug fit with the hdmi cable plugged in. ;) i unplug hdmi, and the pi slips out.
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[4:47] <dr_willis> and Now at least i got a template to take to work.. to start carving one out of Nylon or Al. ;)
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[4:54] <TAFB_ssd> woot! I was able to fix journald so it doesn't eat up my CPU any more! :) http://tafb.yi.org
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[5:09] <clear`> i need to order some more cases
[5:10] <dr_willis> Hmm.. My Raspberry Pi running xbian and the other Pi. are both detected by my Samsung TV as an 'Anynet+' device. which is a little weird. ;) my blueray player is also seen as an anynet+ device.. at least the tv can turn ON the blueray player. :) .. It even sees their dlna/upnp servers...
[5:10] <clear`> also need to order some wifi adapters
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[5:10] <Torikun> yo
[5:10] * Torikun testing out using rpi as a TimeMachine server....
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[5:16] <mhoney> that would be painfully slow, no?
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[5:19] <TAFB_ssd> wow, emacs is weird :) lol
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[5:19] <shapr> I love emacs1
[5:19] <TAFB_ssd> took me an hour just to exit emacx-nox
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[5:20] <TAFB_ssd> I better back up my website before I go editing it with emacs... could be scary :)
[5:20] <TAFB_ssd> ohhhh pretty colours! :)
[5:21] <shapr> Got any emacs questions?
[5:21] <TAFB_ssd> I probably will in a few mins after editing my website... does line wrapping come default enabled?
[5:22] <Hodapp> I started using Emacs about 2 months ago... and I really like it.
[5:22] <shapr> er, I don't know much about the default settings. I haven't seen them in a long time :-/
[5:22] * Hodapp spraypaints "VIM SUCKS" on the wall and merrily goes about his way
[5:22] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[5:22] <TAFB_ssd> i was using nano
[5:22] <TAFB_ssd> until I realized every time I copied and pasted a long line it broke my php code.
[5:22] <TAFB_ssd> so I enabled line wrapping, but apparently that doesn't work when you're root :(
[5:23] <dr_willis> emacs is a great OS. it just needs a decent Text editor........
[5:23] <dr_willis> ;)
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[5:26] <TAFB_ssd> I like the pretty colours in emac, goes good with my new bash prompt :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-26-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_custom_bash.rc.png
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[5:32] <TAFB_ssd> wow, emacs uses less ram than nano, how is that possible? lol
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[5:33] <Moopington> ???someone was just praising emacs in another channel??? it's getting a lot of love today. XD
[5:33] <TAFB_ssd> whops, nevermind, didn't see it on the usage list (cause it was at the top) :)
[5:34] <TAFB_ssd> kB: 7336 - process: emacs indexgen.php
[5:34] <TAFB_ssd> still, under 8mb, not bad :)
[5:34] <TAFB_ssd> uses 0 cpu when idle which is nice, unlike nano :)
[5:34] <dAnjou> well, it's not like you have much choice on console really
[5:35] <dAnjou> nano is still my editor of choice for commit messages and quick edits
[5:36] <dAnjou> for anything else i don't use a console anyway
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[5:38] <TAFB_ssd> ohhhh I like the search feature, very nice :)
[5:38] <dAnjou> ctrl+w in nano
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[5:38] <dAnjou> and nano has syntax highlighting too
[5:38] <TAFB_ssd> I know the nano command ;)
[5:39] <TAFB_ssd> ok, printing out an emacs cheat sheet! http://www.rgrjr.com/emacs/emacs_cheat.html
[5:39] <dAnjou> so you are not even close to all the powers of emacs
[5:39] <formax> emacs vim nano pico, what matters is what you do with it
[5:40] <trentg> that ^
[5:42] <dAnjou> when do these editors get smooth scrolling? ^^
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[5:43] <TAFB_ssd> are you joking? was joping emacs would smooth scroll, was probably my number one annoyance with nano :(
[5:43] <formax> when you run them in a graphical environment
[5:43] <pw-> vi for life you bastards
[5:43] <Moopington> but startx feels like cheating
[5:43] <hyperair> emacs!
[5:44] <formax> vim bitches
[5:44] <trentg> vim++
[5:44] <formax> assembler
[5:44] <hyperair> butterflies!
[5:44] <dAnjou> butterfly
[5:44] <dAnjou> shit
[5:44] <dAnjou> :D
[5:44] <hyperair> hahaha
[5:44] <hyperair> M-x butterfly
[5:44] <pw-> vi #1
[5:44] <hyperair> ;-)
[5:44] <TAFB_ssd> can I even run X remotely on Arch from my box with no GPU? :)
[5:44] <ReggieUK> mind your language you lot
[5:44] <pw-> penis
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[5:45] * pw- was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[5:45] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[5:45] <dAnjou> looks like someone didn't know what an @ means
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[5:45] <dAnjou> :D
[5:45] <formax> or he was a hardcore vi'er
[5:45] <Moopington> 0.o my client has a "user-kicked" sound. Scared the heck out of me.
[5:46] <dAnjou> TAFB_ssd: wat?
[5:46] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: LOL!!
[5:46] <TAFB_ssd> dAnjou: wat wat??
[5:46] <dAnjou> TAFB_ssd: you want to do what with X?
[5:46] <formax> you can vnc into a pi over ssh
[5:46] <TAFB_ssd> run it on my little seagate box with no monitor hookup?
[5:47] <dAnjou> whyy?
[5:47] <TAFB_ssd> only 128mb ram ;)
[5:47] <dAnjou> -y
[5:47] <TAFB_ssd> for a smooth scrolling editor
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[5:47] <formax> so you;re going to use all the boxes resources so you can get choppy smoothscroll?
[5:47] <dAnjou> yeah, take over the channel now!
[5:47] <TAFB_ssd> haha
[5:47] <gene-> Evening. I got a raspberry pi for christmas and it's pretty awesome, but for some reason it detects the \ and | key as # and ~. I changed the keyboard layout to US but that didn't fix it.
[5:48] <gene-> Can't really use linux without the pipe command
[5:48] <dAnjou> true ^^
[5:48] <gene-> operator*
[5:49] <formax> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5278
[5:49] <Moopington> gene-: mine does that too???. are you using an older mac keyboard?
[5:49] <TAFB_ssd> gene-: in raspi-config, you gotta change it generic 105 key (not international), then US, then US, then US, no AltGR key, etc.
[5:49] <gene-> while that doesn't effect me when I'm sshing in, I'd like to be able to fix it for using it in person
[5:49] <gene-> ok
[5:49] <gene-> actually it happened to me on two different keyboards
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[5:50] <gene-> one was a presentation keyboard touchpad combo thing
[5:50] <gene-> so I figured it was just that being weird
[5:50] <gene-> but then it happened again on my wireless mouse and keyboard setup
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[5:51] <gene-> haven't tested it on my main setup because I don't have an hdmi-dvi adaptor offhand
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[5:52] <gene-> thanks, I'll try that
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[6:14] <gene-> hey, TAFB_ssd, thanks. That worked.
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[6:14] <TAFB_ssd> woot! nice ;)
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[6:15] <TAFB_ssd> It took me forever to make the / key work on my keyboard, and I found that combo to work perfect, generic 105, US, then US (not other), and you must pick no AltGR key, then boom, every key works perfect :)
[6:15] <gene-> I guess I tried 104 key or something and even marked US it didn't work
[6:15] <gene-> but that one worked
[6:16] <TAFB_ssd> yep. I tried probably 40 combinations without success :)
[6:16] <gene-> Now I can really get started.
[6:16] <TAFB_ssd> what are your plans for her?
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[6:16] <gene-> mostly just to dick around with
[6:16] <TAFB_ssd> nice. If you want to set it up as a web server I recommend Pancake and as an e-mail server use Citadel :)
[6:16] <gene-> probably serve files and possibly media
[6:17] <gene-> media center*
[6:17] <TAFB_ssd> and even just for fun, you can setup a webserver on it then run your own status page: http://tafb.yi.org/
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[6:18] <Torikun> y
[6:18] <Torikun> yo
[6:18] <gene-> might throw a usb ethernet adaptor on it and experiment with using it as a network tap
[6:18] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, they work great as media servers, either just running omxplayer or with xbmc :)
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[6:18] <Torikun> http://rusher81572.com/pi gene-
[6:18] <TAFB_ssd> loading...
[6:18] <TAFB_ssd> slow...
[6:18] <Torikun> gene-: I made mine a dns,web,email,redhat repo server, timemachine server
[6:18] <gene-> miniturized technology is so dangerous, I love it
[6:18] <TAFB_ssd> lol
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[6:19] <Torikun> how you be TAFB_ssd
[6:19] <Torikun> added timemachine as a new feature for the pi, i will overload this device lol
[6:19] <TAFB_ssd> absolutely wonderful, you?
[6:19] <Torikun> meh ok
[6:19] <TAFB_ssd> just OK? :(
[6:19] <TAFB_ssd> i'm happy I got my pretty percentage bars workin :)
[6:19] <gene-> might try the freebsd port
[6:20] <TAFB_ssd> just gotta figure out what to run for a mail server software now
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[6:20] <Torikun> i got a guide for a working server
[6:20] <Torikun> lol
[6:20] <TAFB_ssd> http://rusher81572.com/pi not workin
[6:20] <Moopington> TAFB_ssd: is that status page you linked running on a pi?
[6:20] <TAFB_ssd> It used to be, it's running on a Seagate docking station right now :)
[6:20] <Moopington> Torikun: Did you port forward it right?
[6:20] <TAFB_ssd> I have a link for it on a Pi, one sec.
[6:20] <Torikun> wtf it not working>
[6:21] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: just says waiting... forever and ever.
[6:21] <Moopington> If it works on your local network, that's probably why
[6:21] <TAFB_ssd> you mean your dyndns address?
[6:21] <Torikun> glad you all caught it
[6:21] <Torikun> investigating
[6:22] <Torikun> maybe since I am formatting a 1TB drive it hung>?
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[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> should still serve out stuff, what webserver you using? pancake?
[6:22] <Torikun> apache
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[6:22] <Torikun> restarting it now
[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> haha
[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> apache
[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> run nginx :)
[6:22] <Moopington> TAFB_ssd: why does it wget it's own index?
[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: it's a super secret :)
[6:23] <Moopington> Aww. That just makes me want to know
[6:23] <Torikun> Dec 26 21:20:18 rusher sudo[16737]: http : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=unknown ; PWD=/srv/http/pi ; USER=root ; COMMAND=vcgencmd measure_clock emmc
[6:23] <clear`> openelec.tv is being extremely slow, slow for anyone else?
[6:23] <Torikun> Dec 26 21:20:25 rusher sudo[16741]: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed
[6:23] <Torikun> Dec 26 21:20:52 rusher sudo[16774]: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed
[6:23] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: Did you notice how fast that page loaded?
[6:23] <TAFB_ssd> refresh it a few times to test ;)
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[6:24] <gene-> page still isn't loading for me
[6:24] <dAnjou> TAFB_ssd: what the hell is pancake? i can't even find something with "pancake server"
[6:24] <Moopington> Holy cow, you're right. That was almost instant. How does that even help
[6:24] <TAFB_ssd> dAnjou: it's a super secret server program...
[6:24] <Moopington> dAnjou: i think it was autocorrect
[6:24] <TAFB_ssd> https://github.com/pp3345/Pancake
[6:24] <Moopington> I have a feeling this is something obvious to everyone but me
[6:25] <Moopington> WAIT! Does it wget itself so that it doesn't have to serve the php page over the web, and just displays the php it recieves?
[6:25] <Moopington> Pancake is a real thing? XD
[6:25] <gene-> hey, has anyone messed with freebsd on raspberry pi?
[6:25] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington! yep, almost :)
[6:25] <gene-> how well does the ports tree work?
[6:25] <Moopington> I feel so smart.
[6:25] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: it wgets the PHP, converts it to static HTML and serves it to visitors!
[6:26] <Moopington> I meant to say HTML the second time
[6:26] <Moopington> But yeah
[6:26] <Moopington> :)
[6:26] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: makes it load INSTANTLY, even the little Pi can handle HUGE load when doing it that way :)
[6:26] <Moopington> I never would have thought of that
[6:26] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: I'm going to try it on wordpress next... if it makes it run fast, I'll be rich! lol
[6:26] <Moopington> 0.o
[6:26] <Moopington> I hope that works
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> i'm 99.37% sure it will :)
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[6:27] <dAnjou> TAFB_ssd: wait, you use PHP and laugh at people who use apache?
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> only issue might be hard links, like if wordpress hard links to "page.php" I might have to run something to convert .php to .html on the fly, because even if it's just HTML, if it's named .php it still runs it through the parser slowing it down a lil
[6:28] <dAnjou> that doesn't sound right
[6:28] <clear`> TAFB_ssd: how much faster do you think it will run?
[6:28] <clear`> i have optimized my wordpress installs to run pretty fast...
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: Put it this way, it makes my status page load 4376% faster ;)
[6:29] <Torikun> it works now!
[6:29] <TAFB_ssd> ^^ actual measurement.
[6:29] <Torikun> Test it out
[6:29] <Moopington> Yeah, wordpress on a pentium III is not too amazing. I haven't even been able to use it.
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[6:29] <Torikun> I think the formatting hung the io
[6:29] <clear`> % = misconception
[6:29] <clear`> whats the actual load speed in ms
[6:29] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: wait till you run wordpress on the Pi :( it's horrible.
[6:29] <Moopington> I wasn't even going to try it
[6:30] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: Normal load time, 3.83 seconds. My dynamic cache load time, .0018 seconds.
[6:30] <TAFB_ssd> Moopington: have you ever heard of something like drupal?
[6:30] <clear`> drupal is horrible...
[6:30] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: oh, supposed to run way faster :)
[6:30] <dAnjou> did you ever hear of caching?
[6:31] <clear`> TAFB_ssd: try magento, see if you can get decent speeds with that
[6:31] <clear`> i hate drupal
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[6:31] <Torikun> anyone good with timemachine?
[6:31] <dAnjou> that wget thing is some really ridiculous way of caching
[6:31] <Torikun> and netatp
[6:31] <Moopington> Drupal, I haven't heard of it no
[6:31] <gene-> hey, that rushed page you linked earlier works now
[6:32] <gene-> rusher*
[6:32] <TAFB_ssd> dAnjou: I tried four different caching programs, when 100% of your page changes every time it loads, the caching programs didn't help at all, they just served up static pages until a set refresh time. I wanted my page LIVE, as you can see: http://tafb.yi.org
[6:32] <TAFB_ssd> checking rusher...
[6:32] <gene-> your pi is running kind of hot
[6:32] <clear`> i think im going to give up on openelec
[6:33] <dr_willis> Hot Pi? Put some IceCream on it. ;) Yumm
[6:33] <clear`> TAFB_ssd: with wordpress im fine with pages loading up to 2 seconds
[6:33] <Torikun> lol
[6:33] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: ewww 2 seconds? lol. I'd close your site right away!
[6:33] <clear`> magento on the other hand, if its not optimized, it can take up to 10 seconds for a full product to load
[6:33] <dr_willis> xbian has been working well here.
[6:33] <clear`> which is complete crap
[6:33] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: I have over 100mbps download speeds, I wait for NOTHING!
[6:33] <clear`> TAFB_ssd: up to... most gallery pages will take a second or two to load
[6:34] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: Nice status page :) 53.5 celcius! toasty :) you have it in a case or something?
[6:34] <Torikun> yeah TAFB_ssd
[6:34] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[6:34] <TAFB_ssd> I call em cooker cases!
[6:34] <Torikun> ha
[6:34] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: do you have wiringpi installed?
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[6:35] <Torikun> what is it
[6:35] <TAFB_ssd> it's in the readme!
[6:35] <TAFB_ssd> for the status page
[6:35] <TAFB_ssd> it fixes your Pi version/board detection
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[6:35] <TAFB_ssd> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[6:35] <TAFB_ssd> get that installed and it'll fix your status page a little ;)
[6:35] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: This page rendered in 15.4929 seconds. ver.227
[6:35] <pksato> q/quit
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[6:36] <TAFB_ssd> someone needs my caching technlogy ;)
[6:36] <Torikun> so slow
[6:36] <TAFB_ssd> if you installing wiringpi it might speed it up, if you get errors with your PHP calls it really slows it down
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[6:38] <Torikun> TAFB_ssd: would it load faster if I had web files stored on nas?
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[6:39] <clear`> where do you have the loaded now?
[6:39] <Torikun> SD
[6:39] <clear`> i would bet the sd is faster
[6:39] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: nope. If you put your OS on USB it might.
[6:40] <clear`> but dont take my word for it, tonights the first night i have played with a pi
[6:40] <Torikun> oh
[6:40] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: It runs so slow because PHP is loading the terminal about 100 times per page view, to extract all that live data. If you speed up your OS drive it'll make it load quicker.
[6:41] <Torikun> ok
[6:43] <Torikun> dam time machine sucks
[6:43] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: Add to your page "top 10 CPU hogs" echo shell_exec("ps -e -o pcpu,nice,state,cputime,args| sed '/ 0.0 /d' | sort -k1n | head -n 11 | cut -c1-80");
[6:43] <TAFB_ssd> that way you can keep an eye on what's hogging all the speed ;)
[6:44] <Torikun> did not work
[6:44] <Moopington> I like how this poped up in your code- 0.0
[6:44] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: what didn't work?
[6:44] <Moopington> (It turns into an emoticon in my client)
[6:44] <TAFB_ssd> if you try and run that in terminal, you would run: ps -e -o pcpu,nice,state,cputime,args| sed '/ 0.0 /d' | sort -k1n | head -n 11 | cut -c1-80
[6:45] <Torikun> Yes, time machine is working on the Pi
[6:45] <Torikun> spent al lday on it
[6:46] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: http://pastie.org/5582842
[6:46] <clear`> spent all day on it?!
[6:46] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: nice work :)
[6:46] <Torikun> ok
[6:46] <Torikun> ty
[6:46] <Torikun> transfer is so slow
[6:46] <clear`> i have only been trying to get openelec to work for an hour
[6:46] <clear`> about to just say screw it
[6:46] <Torikun> that is the best mediacenter distro so far
[6:46] <dr_willis> Hmm. I dident have much issue with openelec.
[6:46] <Torikun> but runs old ass xbmc
[6:47] <dr_willis> been using xbian however lately
[6:47] <clear`> you like xbian?
[6:47] <dr_willis> It seems to work well for me.
[6:47] <clear`> for some reason when putting the images on the sdcard, it wont load
[6:47] <dr_willis> it sees my upnp servers. other machines sees its upnp server.
[6:47] <Torikun> I have a stata drive in a USB enclosure. will the drive auto spindown when idle?
[6:47] <KwikkSilva> guys when i bounce xbmc after editing config.txt - a box pops up on reboot - asking if i want to overwrite it with an addon version or something... if i say no - its just asks again next time... ideas?
[6:47] <clear`> wheezy loads fine
[6:48] <dr_willis> openelec had some script to create its sd card i recall... not sure if i have an openelec setup on sdhc here or not.
[6:48] <dr_willis> ran out of sd cards. ;)
[6:48] <clear`> lol
[6:48] <clear`> can you dual boot os's on the pi?
[6:48] <clear`> i only have 2 16gb cards atm
[6:48] <Moopington> dr_willis: look up berryboot . you too clear`
[6:48] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: with berryboot, yep!
[6:48] <clear`> nice
[6:48] <clear`> will get that next
[6:48] <dr_willis> not tried berryboot yet.
[6:48] <clear`> i want to get xbmc ;\
[6:49] <Moopington> I only have a 512 mb stick. Was so dissapointed when i first tried to install raspian
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[6:49] <Moopington> XD
[6:49] <clear`> lol
[6:49] <dr_willis> I got a little bity micro usb flash i could put in my pi. ;) and try berryboot
[6:49] <clear`> i bought a few from amazon, was like $11 each
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> i tried to get berryboot workin, tried three sd cards on two Pi's. Only way to make it boot was to put it in my camera, hit firmware update to flag the SD bootable, then it would work! lol. I think my camera did something funny to the cards.
[6:49] <dr_willis> clear`: yep. told the wife to look for them on xmas sales
[6:50] <clear`> i bought a new dslr so i decided to pick up a few more sdcards
[6:50] <dr_willis> so if i put berryboot on a 32gb sd.. I can have it install os's to the SD OR to a usb flash plugged in right?
[6:50] <TAFB_ssd> dr_willis: berryboot can install OS to any device.
[6:51] <dr_willis> so that would be handy then. ;) i dident want to waste my 32gb sd.
[6:51] <dr_willis> got a 3TB external USB Hd here.. brand new also. ;P
[6:51] <TAFB_ssd> nice!
[6:51] <dr_willis> that may be a little overkill.
[6:52] <TAFB_ssd> I got two 3TB externals that came with cool docking stations (that I'm running linux on as my server now! lol), but I have em hooked up by esata so didn't need the little docking stations! killer deal for $99USD each :)
[6:52] <TAFB_ssd> http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive_S.jpg
[6:53] <clear`> 3tb, would be good for media storage :P
[6:53] <dr_willis> clear`: thats whats filling up the OTHER 2 3TB usbs i have... ;)
[6:53] <clear`> lol
[6:53] <TAFB_ssd> Yeah, I got two 3TB's and two 2TB's and still no space left ;)
[6:53] <dr_willis> and the silly BOXEEbox cant read 3tb hds without some voodoo ive never figured out. ;)
[6:54] <clear`> i have a roku, it sucks
[6:54] <dr_willis> Got a flakey 2TB - that i put backups of the shows on for the wife. for her O!-Play. its an old media player that has worked for her for years.. shes got it going 24/7 for the last 3+ years.
[6:54] <dr_willis> got 2 Rokus. they do ok. ;)
[6:55] <TAFB_ssd> my media box is called Aios
[6:55] <clear`> the one i have buffers a lot
[6:55] <dr_willis> and a boxeebox. and a silly iomega somthing... from a few years back.
[6:55] <TAFB_ssd> hasn't let me down yet, plays everything from our network shares.
[6:55] <dr_willis> Been looking at the aios also.. but like i need moar media boxs
[6:55] <clear`> i will be using the pi for my media box
[6:55] <Moopington> Wish someone would get netflix working on the pi.
[6:56] <dr_willis> the ONE thing i was using the BoxeeBox for was to watch CrunchyRoll.. and Now.. it seems Boxee and Crunchyroll are broken. ;(
[6:56] <dr_willis> I got plenty of ways to watch netflix. ;) TV, Wii, My BLueray...
[6:56] <dr_willis> Crunchyroll wants $$ to work on my TV. but free on the pc..
[6:57] <dr_willis> it was free on the boxeebox. but its broken now. ;(
[6:57] <clear`> i have to be doing something wrong with openelec
[6:57] <clear`> wheezy image loads fine, openelec's wont
[6:57] <dr_willis> clear`: how did you put openeec on the sd card?
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[6:58] <clear`> ubuntu, imagewriter
[6:58] <dr_willis> err... last i looked.. openelec had a script you ran and IT made the sd card..
[6:58] <Moopington> dr_willis: but my siblings all hog those devices. ;) The rasp.'s tv is the only one that's mine.
[6:59] <dr_willis> let me look at my other pc. on openelec
[6:59] <clear`> its like sudo sh create_sd /dev/sdb
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[7:01] <dr_willis> somthing like that...
[7:01] <dr_willis> THey really need to put a file on these sd cards saying what one is what. ;)
[7:01] <dr_willis> having to boot my sd cards to see whats on them
[7:02] <clear`> lol
[7:03] <clear`> i tried the manual way also, didnt work
[7:05] <dr_willis> making a new openelec card..
[7:05] <dr_willis> this was from last weeks download of openelec or the week befor.
[7:05] <dr_willis> guess i should have gotten the latest. ;)
[7:06] <clear`> make an image and send it to me :P
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[7:06] <Moopington> dr_willis: how do you have an ipv6 ip address? (noticed when i /whois'd you)
[7:07] <dr_willis> not that i know of. ;) unless the isp is doing wonky stuff
[7:07] <dr_willis> booting the openelec sd card
[7:07] <clear`> Moopington: newton?
[7:07] <Moopington> Newton?
[7:08] <dr_willis> it booted right up. ;) no issues...
[7:08] <Moopington> Oh, I think I know what you're talking about.
[7:08] <clear`> newtown...
[7:08] <Moopington> ^
[7:08] <Moopington> Yeah
[7:08] <clear`> was tragic, hope you didnt have anyone involved
[7:09] <Moopington> No one I know, I'm actually about half an hour away from Newtown, I think my isp is located there. It was still really sad, yeah.
[7:10] <clear`> yea
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[7:11] <Dr_Willis_> OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20121124031454-r12577.tar.bz2
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[7:11] <Dr_Willis_> worked here with no issues
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[7:12] <clear`> you on windows?
[7:12] <clear`> maybe i need to boot into windows and try it out
[7:13] <dr_willis> ran the script from my Ubuntu box
[7:13] <dr_willis> Hmm. Openelec does NOT seem to see my upnp servers
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[7:16] <dr_willis> I really only see a few little differances from openelec and xbian. It seems openelec does setup some local storage for your media files.
[7:17] <clear`> i will be using usb and nas unit for media files
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[7:18] <clear`> where did you download openelec from
[7:18] <clear`> http://openelec.thestateofme.com/
[7:18] <dr_willis> openelec homepage downloads link.. let me look.. i DID download it like 2 weeks ago. so it might be an older version
[7:19] <clear`> i tried the latest from there ^^
[7:22] <dr_willis> i gave the exact file name i used earlier.. they got some big version #'s :)
[7:24] <Dr_Willis_> you did do a command like.....
[7:24] <Dr_Willis_> sudo ./create_sdcard /dev/sdg
[7:24] <Dr_Willis_> not /dev/sdg1 ?
[7:26] <Dr_Willis_> i seemed to be using a daily build...
[7:26] <Dr_Willis_> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/
[7:26] <Dr_Willis_> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20121124031454-r12577.tar.bz2
[7:28] <clear`> couldnt do ./ so i used sh
[7:29] <Dr_Willis_> hmm. the script is executable here when i unpacked it
[7:29] <Dr_Willis_> if it succeded.. i guess it wouldent matter
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[7:31] <clear`> it did, but didnt work in the pi
[7:31] <dr_willis> what did it not do? no booting? erorrs?
[7:32] <clear`> no boot
[7:32] <dr_willis> Hmm. odd.
[7:32] <clear`> let me do it again
[7:32] <dr_willis> you did use /dev/sdg (or whatever) and not sdg1 ;)
[7:32] <dr_willis> done that mistake here a few times.
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[7:33] <clear`> yea
[7:33] <clear`> sdb
[7:34] <clear`> odd
[7:34] <dr_willis> well im out of ideas. I gave you the url to the exact file i used. Unpacked it with 'unp' on ubuntu. ran their script to sdg.
[7:34] <clear`> ./ worked that time on the one you posted
[7:34] <dr_willis> they dident have the file executable for some reason perhaps.
[7:35] <dr_willis> we got 3 xbmc-pi-disrtos now right? Raspbmc, xbian, and openelec.. are there any others ive missed?
[7:35] <clear`> ...installation finished
[7:36] <clear`> thats all i found when i searched
[7:36] <lasers> Raspbian?
[7:36] <clear`> it booted!
[7:36] <clear`> woot
[7:37] <dr_willis> so the stable build had issues? daily build worked?
[7:39] <clear`> the latest one in the link i posted had issues
[7:39] <clear`> OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20121223182027-r12755.tar.bz2 24-Dec-2012
[7:40] <clear`> do you need a keyboard for openelec?
[7:40] <lasers> I like having a keyboard handy for XBMC.
[7:41] <lasers> Optional, but recommendation.
[7:41] <clear`> pi needs 4 usb slots
[7:41] <Dr_Willis_> i have a $8 remote from amazon that works as a keybord or mouse..
[7:41] <clear`> cool
[7:41] <Dr_Willis_> i also noticed with its ir reciever.. my samsung remote works with xbmc ;)
[7:41] <clear`> remove the rj45 and add wifi
[7:42] <dr_willis> Ok. i got 3 SD cards now.. with xbian, raspbmc, and openelec
[7:43] <dr_willis> I need 3 Pi's to test them all at teh same time. ;)
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[7:43] <clear`> lol
[7:43] <dr_willis> The biggest differance i see is how you put them on SD. and the custome config tools.
[7:43] <clear`> should be one universal way of putting them on the sd
[7:43] <dr_willis> xbian has a fancy script for the pi config part. openelec has a xbmc plugin. and raspbmc has a xbmc plugin
[7:44] <dr_willis> openelec for some reason even uses a script for openelec on the usb for pcs and netbooks also..
[7:44] <dr_willis> Not sure why
[7:44] <dr_willis> but it also did not have to resize the fs of the sd card to use all the space on first boot like some pi disrtos do
[7:45] <clear`> i want to test a blueray movie on the pi
[7:45] <clear`> will get avatar
[7:46] <dr_willis> Raspbmc seems to have more settings to tweak in its xbmc plugin. :) it even has overclocking settings
[7:46] <dr_willis> and settings for a GPIO TSOP IR Reciever.
[7:46] <dr_willis> whatever that is. ;)
[7:47] <Datalink> hey, what are those keyboard/screen things for smartphones called, that we use for Pi terminals?
[7:47] <dr_willis> On Screen Keybords?
[7:47] <Datalink> .... that's miles off... talking about those laptop type docks
[7:48] <Datalink> oh lapdock, okay
[7:48] <TAFB_ssd> Lapdock? Atrix?
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[7:48] <clear`> wow openelec is using 96% of the cpu
[7:48] <clear`> crazy
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[7:51] <dr_willis> hmm.. raspbmc is showing 94% here
[7:51] <dr_willis> 10* of memory
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[7:51] <dr_willis> 18%
[7:51] <dr_willis> CPU temp = 133F
[7:54] <clear`> memory was low
[7:54] <clear`> temp was 122
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[7:55] <dr_willis> hmmm. My $8 remote stopped working.. but the Samsung remote worked still... wonder what i did . ;P
[7:57] <dr_willis> there we go. ;) i must have hit a button to put the remote in some other mode.
[7:57] <dr_willis> well have fun. we need to compare/contrast the xbmc variants tomorrow.
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[7:59] <clear`> openelec looks cool
[7:59] <clear`> basic
[7:59] <dr_willis> The theme for all of the xbmc-pi-disrots seem identical to me. ;)
[8:00] <dr_willis> main diff i guess is the exact version of xbmc they are using. and the custome config tools. and how they install and partion the sd.
[8:03] <clear`> oh i havent installed the others, yet
[8:03] <dr_willis> biggest issue in comapreing them.. is i start watching a video.. and forget to compare. ;)
[8:03] <dr_willis> id bet its just little things that are differnt
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[8:05] <clear`> yea, as long as they stream movies im happy :P
[8:05] <clear`> and pandora
[8:05] <mrmoney2012> what;s the effect of deleting directories from source folder while an rsync is in progress ? will it "catch up"
[8:09] <clear`> no clue
[8:10] <dr_willis> pi will explode. ;P
[8:10] <dr_willis> well good night all.
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[8:11] <clear`> nn
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[8:34] <jasabella> so the raspberrypi is a full computer on one board and can do anything a regular computer can do just about?
[8:34] <jasabella> (within hardware constraints)
[8:36] <TAFB_ssd> jasabella: pretty much, except it can't run windows ;)
[8:36] <TAFB_ssd> and xwindows on it currently has no GPU accelleration which means for websurfing it feels like pentium 60, and no videos pretty much in the browser.
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[8:38] <shift_> I see it more as a dev board that runs linux.
[8:39] <shift_> (not a "full computer", since that's a very ambiguous and misleading terms to some people)
[8:39] <shift_> *term
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[8:47] <clear`> so things that run linux are not full computers?
[8:47] <clear`> ;p
[8:48] <TAFB_ssd> if it can't run windows it's not a "computer" ;)
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[8:50] <gordonDrogon> magi, you about?
[8:51] <clear`> lol
[8:51] * gordonDrogon waves
[8:51] <clear`> i full retarded on windows i havent used it in so long
[8:51] <clear`> err
[8:51] <clear`> i feel*
[8:51] <TAFB_ssd> lol!
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_ssd, do you ever sleep??
[8:52] <TAFB_ssd> never!
[8:52] <TAFB_ssd> lol
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[8:53] <TAFB_ssd> I should get some sleep soon, almost 3am
[8:53] <TAFB_ssd> I was up getting boxing day deals early, so slept from 11am till 4pm then had family dinner :)
[8:53] <wry> Nah.
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[8:53] <TAFB_ssd> sweet status page spam: http://tafb.yi.org
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_ssd, that's not a Pi, ergo, not interested :)
[8:54] <TAFB_ssd> rofl :) it can be ported to a pi super easily ;)
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[8:55] <TAFB_ssd> and it came from a Pi
[8:55] <TAFB_ssd> so it qualifies.
[8:55] <clear`> damn it is 3am ;\
[8:55] <clear`> driving through the night last night screwed me up
[8:55] <TAFB_ssd> gordonDrogon: you ever use emacs?
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_ssd, no. vi(m) here..
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> 8am here ... wish I was still in bed though.
[8:56] <TAFB_ssd> lol. emacs hurts my brain, I printed out the cheat sheet, it helps, a little :) I like it's pretty colours, goes good with my new bash prompt. kinda christmas'y :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-26-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_custom_bash.rc.png
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[8:59] <gordonDrogon> 2-line prompt!
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> and colour!
[9:00] <TAFB_ssd> yep, woot woot!
[9:00] <TAFB_ssd> i always get lost in linux, never know what folder I'm in
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> pwd
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> and you just "know", you know?
[9:00] <TAFB_ssd> and I never know if I'm looking at files, or folders, etc. Now I know!
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> ls -F
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually quite dyslexic and have problems with coloured writings - coloured prompts, ls outputs, syntax highlighting just does my head in. need monochrom high contrast.
[9:01] <TAFB_ssd> I can just do "ls" and it does "ls -lS -r --color=auto" woot
[9:01] <TAFB_ssd> rofl! :)
[9:01] <rikkib> mc
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, tried that - the other issues I have is that Idon't know the alphabet.
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> so can't sort words in my head.
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> if I know the name of the file I'm after, it's quicker to type ie.
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> it.
[9:04] <voxadam> Ugh... I really need a better system for organizing my various sources of information. Directorries full of text files, PDFs, drawings, etc., folders full of printed materials, and piles of bookmarks is really not very effecient.
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[9:04] <voxadam> How do ECE people deal with all the information related to a project?
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[9:44] <tapout> i want to install arduino on my raspberry pi, but it wants .. 32 bit, or 64 bit.. no arm.. does this matter?
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[9:51] <shift_> I don't think it's just a matter of following the official arduino instructions.
[9:52] <shift_> but this might be helpful http://baldwisdom.com/pi-arduino-setup/
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[9:59] <shift_> Coburn, ?
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[9:59] <Coburn> Nothing, carry on
[10:00] <shift_> what's with the palming and the facing?
[10:00] <shift_> ah well
[10:00] * shift_ carries on
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[10:05] <Macer> my 2 pis show up today
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> tapout, apt-get install arduino
[10:05] <Macer> nice
[10:05] <TAFB_ssd> sweet
[10:05] <Macer> and then there were 3
[10:05] <Macer> older 256MB one is hooked up to the tv heh
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[10:05] <shift_> ah, already in the repos? O_o nice
[10:06] <Macer> synology should put a pi in their disk stations to act as their "server" for services
[10:06] <Macer> and leave the sw raid stuff dedicated
[10:06] <Macer> on their other cpu :)
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> shift_, arduino has been in the repos for some years now.
[10:07] <shift_> surely not the raspbian/foundation repos O_o
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[10:08] <davzie> What would I want to use an Arduino board for?
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[10:09] <shift_> davzie, hardware projects or just for learning.
[10:09] <davzie> Yeah I'm new to Hardware
[10:09] <davzie> I'm a developer, can use Python and PHP very well but new to the whole breakout boards etc
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[10:09] <gordonDrogon> shift_, raspbian is debian and there are very few packages that are in standard debian that are not in raspbian.
[10:09] <dobra-dobra> davzie, ie to simply build robot
[10:10] <Macer> davzie: you can always make a cyborg with one
[10:10] <davzie> Heh
[10:10] <shift_> gordonDrogon, I was under the impression that there was some work involved in getting the arduino software to work on the pi. My mistake then.
[10:10] <dobra-dobra> davzie, Arduino is greate to learn hardware
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> well my winter project is to design a robot board for the Pi...
[10:10] <Macer> gordonDrogon: bonus points if you are able to get a working death ray going
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> shift_, http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg <-- photo taken in April this year
[10:11] <Macer> bit retro isn't it?
[10:11] <Yotson> is that with the tvout lib for arduino gordonDrogon? :P
[10:12] <Macer> do you have the crt for the effect?
[10:12] <Macer> heh
[10:12] <shift_> nice
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> I only had that CRT when I started with the Pi
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> the graphics are done in BASIC.
[10:12] <Macer> wow basic :)
[10:12] <dobra-dobra> Arduino have amazing amount of hardware tutorials, much more than rpi at this point
[10:12] <davzie> dobra-dobra: So why could I connect stuff directly to the Pi , why use an Arduino?
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> I wrote my own BASIC interpreter....
[10:13] <Macer> i guess basic wasn't too bad
[10:13] <Macer> better than python to say the least
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> some would debate that point :)
[10:13] <Macer> oh i'm sure
[10:13] <Macer> don't get me started :)
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> but I'm not a python programmer.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> my basic is written in C.
[10:13] <Macer> python is a scurge
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> go one step further, try CESIL :) https://projects.drogon.net/cesil-controlled-xmas-tree-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[10:14] <Macer> scourge
[10:14] <Macer> damn tf101 kb
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo! my robot motors & controllers have turned up. Not bad since I ordered them on the 24th!
[10:15] <dobra-dobra> davzie: you can do both, but in my opinion at this point it`s easier to find solution for Arduino when you stuck
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> davzie, the Pi isn't always the best platform for real-time control... it can control motors, read sensors, etc. though.
[10:16] <davzie> I just want a temperature sensor, rotary encoder and LCD screen all hooked up, I'd need a board of some sort I guess. I'm going to have to do some reading I think.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> no easy analog on the Pi.
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[10:17] <shift_> davzie, pi was designed to need extra circuitry to protect the board, none of that is built in. So a simple mistake can fry your cpu. Arudino has a massive amount of tutorials and is designed for hardware... it has more useful pins. In fact, people who use raspberry pi for hardware find that they need to go through an avr/pic chip anyway.
[10:17] <dobra-dobra> davzie: milions of tutorials for A. for such things
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is no less protected than the Arduino.
[10:17] <davzie> So Arduino is ALSO a mini machine too?
[10:18] <Yotson> but do remember that also arduino pins need some protection and so. ;)
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> arduino is an 8-bit microcontroller - the Pi is a 32-bit micro..
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> actually, arduino is really a hardware+software combo. there are now 32-bit arduino's.
[10:18] <shift_> no, esentially, the arduino is just a good popular microcontroller with the necessary peripherals, so that you don't have to connect everything up yourself. It also comes with an easy to use ide for beginners.
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[10:19] <shift_> It's a sort of quick way to get into using avr chips, I guess. WIthout having to know basic electronics before you can get started.
[10:19] <BurtyB> also the "arduino" like chipkit stuff for those that like the scary PIC32 too :)
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[10:20] <dobra-dobra> Arduino is greate for begginers - I have build my first robot just a month after starting learning electronics
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> I'm working on some hybrid Pi + arduino projects, so I use both.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> they both have strengths and weaknesses.
[10:21] <dobra-dobra> True
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> just unpacked: arduino, 3 stepper motors, motor drivers, servo motors, some test probes and misc. stuff :) it's playtime!
[10:22] <Yotson> 'complementary' would be the word i guess. :)
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> ultimately the Pi can crunch numbers much faster than the Arduino - when that's an issue, but the little arduino can still crunch enough to keep a flying platform stable in real-time too
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> the arduino can time actions precisely - the Pi less-so.
[10:23] <Datalink> one can handle nav, the other can handle driving
[10:23] <dobra-dobra> Yeah, using them both can make greate projects.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> that's my plan...
[10:23] <BurtyB> before or after taking over the world?
[10:23] <shift_> gordonDrogon, there's no protection on arduino? I'll admit that I use sanguino and openusb-io instead of arduino. Ah well, corrected again. Thanks.
[10:23] <Datalink> the Pi can be set up to figure out where you are, and where you need to go, the Arduino can work out "move x feet that way"
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> shift_, it's just standard 5v logic outputs/inputs.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> shift_, might be slightly more "robust" than the Pi's, but I doubt there's much in it. Arduino can drive up to 50mA per pin though - Pi only 16.
[10:24] <shift_> is the atmege (or whatever they use nowadays) at least more forgiving when it comes to shortcir.... yeah that.
[10:24] <Datalink> there are Arduino varients (Sparkfun has a couple pro series) in 3v3 logic, AVR really doesn't care, it's just what the board's regulators are set up for usually
[10:24] <Yotson> for an arduino clone with pin protection look at the 'ruggedduino'
[10:25] <shift_> *atmega
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> actually, I'm told that if you short a Pi's GPIO pin to 0v or +3.3v then it reboots the pi, however I've not tried it myself - yet.
[10:25] <Datalink> heh, yes, because I always wanted a dev board that I can hook up to a wheelchair or truck battery through the data pins
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, avr is clock frequency sensitive to voltage - in theory... I know folks run them at 16MHz at 3.3v, but it's outside the spec.
[10:26] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I may have shortened the life of 1 or 2 of my GPIO lines due to a miswiring
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, :)
[10:26] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, my Arduino's got a 3v3 switch, it runs 12MHz I think, though... sec
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, it won't - it's controlled by an xtal..
[10:26] <Datalink> nope, the can on the crystal says 16
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> the atmega on the gertboard runs at 3.3v and 12MHz.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> even 12MHz is technically too fast for 3.3v, but not by much.
[10:27] <Datalink> my Arduino runs fine at 3v3@16MHz
[10:27] <bertrik> microcontrollers always seem so limited in memory to me, like having all the peripherals in the world but only having 32k RAM or so
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> as does my seeeduino mega... however I'd never use it at that for anything "production".
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, some of us learned to program on machines that had memory counted in bytes...
[10:28] <Datalink> yeah, great dev board though
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, atmega328 has 2K of RAM, 32K of flash..
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg <--- 256 BYTES of RAM.
[10:29] <Datalink> at one time I built an ALU out of Minecraft torches... never finished the rest of the device but that was a 16 bit ALU
[10:29] <bertrik> nice :)
[10:30] <Datalink> well, I take that back, it was Redpower
[10:30] <Datalink> redpower cut a football field down to a chunk though
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> hurrah! I get to do some soldering today :)
[10:31] <Yotson> a couple of the attiny controllers have a whopping 32bytes of 'ram'. basically only the general purpose registers.
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> what more do you need for some of their applications - e.g. tyre pressure sensor...
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> Dyson washing machine has a PIC though.
[10:33] <Yotson> yup. you can substitute a whole bunch of discrete logic with one of those small controllers.
[10:34] <Yotson> wasn't that basically the whole start of microcontrollers? Getting rid of large board full of logic.
[10:34] <Datalink> yeah
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> possibly.
[10:35] <Datalink> also FPGAs and related
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> probably started early 1980's with the ULAs in the BBC Micro and ZX81, etc.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> Uncommitted Logic Arrays.
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> they were sort of programmed by a fuse rom internally.
[10:35] <Datalink> they came about for PLC systems to replace relays at the end of the 70's
[10:36] <Datalink> computers helped a lot too
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> there was a set of PALs next - programmable arrays of Logic
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> and the microcontrollers emerged from them.
[10:36] <TAFB_ssd> woot! found mail server solution for my little arm Arch box. qmail to bring in my e-mail (I need "catch-all") and then Citadel to do webmail and pull messages from qmail :) Can't wait to try it out
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> FPGAs are sort of at a lower level than a microcontroller - you can build a microcontroller out of an FPGA.
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> and there are libraries to put e.g. 6502's inside some FPGAs.
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[10:43] <TAFB_zzz> almost 5am, nite nite peeps :)
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> Gordon's tip for the day: when soldering pins to breakout boards - push them into a breadboard first: http://unicorn.drogon.net/carrier1.jpg
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> that way they'll always line-up..
[10:46] <SpeedEvil> and burn your breadboard
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[10:46] <str0be> What do I need to learn the basics of GPIO programming, I am almost fluent in Python. I am curios about the hardware needed.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> it really shouldn't unless you're really crap at soldering!
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> str0be, get a breadboard, some LEDs, switches and buttons...
[10:47] <str0be> Ok. Thanks, I need jumper cables aswell I presume?
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> yes, 1 or 2.
[10:48] <str0be> Ok.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kita-for-raspberry-pi-pi-not-include-p-1070.html?zenid=7fp7a0k81kt67sape0967n3f51
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> for example.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> I got a few of those way back.
[10:48] <str0be> Why is applying heatsinks to the RaspberryPi frowned upon?
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> str0be, because they're not needed.
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> and because some of the packages are really quite mechanically fragile
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Bother. I think my old soldering iron has finally given up the ghost.
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> *sniffs*
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I've only had it 35 years too.
[10:56] <xzr> :D
[10:56] <xzr> peace on his soul
[10:56] <xzr> maybe it's time to move on
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> it was 2nd hand when I got it too.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/weller.jpg
[10:57] <xzr> quality stuff though if it held up that long
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> I'd have another if they weren't so expensive now.
[11:04] <magi> Is it possible to alter the P1-13 gpio pin so it doesnt sends any current at boot?
[11:04] <xzr> well
[11:04] <Lobs> gordonDrogon: do you just keep your camera at your side ready to take pictures of everything you do/touch? ;-P
[11:04] <xzr> rather spend a bit more on something that lasts for a lifetime
[11:05] <xzr> than spend 20 bucks on something that you have to replace every 2 years
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Lobs, yea, mostly :)
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> xzr, true... but there is a limit when you look at a soldering station costing over ?1000, then see something for ?85 thats gets good reviews...
[11:08] * Lobs has a nice solder/desolder station,
[11:08] <xzr> uh well yeah
[11:08] <Lobs> didnt have to pay for it, so thats a bonus ;-)
[11:08] <xzr> 1k bucks holy booger
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> xzr, no, 1K ? !!!
[11:09] <xzr> well
[11:09] <xzr> quid
[11:09] <xzr> I claim the right to mess on currencies at times, too comfy with the euros
[11:10] <soltys> hi, can someone recomend me usb wifi stick ? If it can run without powered USB hub it would be great
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[11:11] <artag> gordonDrogon: plenty of wellers on ebay. you can usually get a decent TCP with PSU for ??50
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> artag, Hm. I might have a look then, thanks.
[11:12] <artag> much better than those chinese solder stations that last about a year
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> a friend bought one of these last year though (yes, a cheap chinese one!): http://labtronix.co.uk/drupal/shop/soldering/898bdplus
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> but he rates it quite highly..
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[11:13] <str0be> I have installed LAMP on my Pi and I want to do something interesting with it, what can I do?
[11:13] <megaproxy> i tried making a direction antenna for my router lastnight
[11:13] <megaproxy> it kinda worked.. but it needs more range
[11:14] <str0be> Could I host a site that people can connect to when they are not on my network?
[11:14] <megaproxy> yea.
[11:14] <megaproxy> you will need to do some port forwarding
[11:14] <xzr> options are limitless!
[11:14] <megaproxy> and probably not use port 80, as some isp's wont like that
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[11:16] <str0be> Could people jsut type in my external IP to connect then? E.g 86.xx.xx.xx.xx
[11:16] <xzr> yes
[11:16] <str0be> cool
[11:16] <xzr> they connect to the external ip and port and your router forwards that to the internal ip and port
[11:17] <str0be> Im going to set up a site that can demonstrate the power of the Pi, using a PHP based traffice monitor
[11:17] <megaproxy> link2code on the page
[11:17] <megaproxy> (i would like a traffic monitor)
[11:17] <str0be> I havent finished it yet :P
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[11:18] <megaproxy> when your done then :P
[11:18] <str0be> If your on the forumns Ill inbox it to you
[11:18] <megaproxy> uh
[11:18] <megaproxy> i dont think i am
[11:18] <megaproxy> i really should join
[11:18] <str0be> Well, my username is 'hop' SO inbox me when you can
[11:19] <megaproxy> i think im registered now
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[11:20] <str0be> OK, Im going to work on my script now, Ill talk later
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[11:21] <Lobs> megaproxy: get an old satellite dish (or a cooking wock may do) and make a parabolic reflector for your routers antenna ;-P
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[11:21] <megaproxy> Lobs, not a bad idea
[11:21] <megaproxy> i just cut a can open
[11:21] <megaproxy> and bent it :D
[11:21] <megaproxy> it actually works... just not very well
[11:21] <Lobs> pringle cans work ok i hear.
[11:22] <Lobs> you have to get the wavelengths right tho, (1/4 or 1/2)
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[11:22] <Macer> a... traffic monitor? can't you just run bwm-ng?
[11:22] <Macer> heh
[11:22] <megaproxy> how on earth would i get the wavelengths right?
[11:23] <megaproxy> Lobs, would this work? http://goo.gl/H4CX3
[11:23] <Lobs> megaproxy: find the frequency you use and calculate the wavelength
[11:24] <Lobs> megaproxy: put some tin foil in it and maybe you might get a speck of range from it ;-P
[11:24] <megaproxy> woo
[11:24] <megaproxy> haha
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[11:25] <megaproxy> suddenly like 30 ppl in the office
[11:25] <megaproxy> they are all going skiing lol
[11:25] <megaproxy> SO MUCH NOISE
[11:25] <Lobs> yell out "SHUT THE F*&CK UP" as loud as you can and then act like nothing just happend.
[11:25] <Lobs> it's fun to do that in a room full of people.
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[11:25] <megaproxy> haha
[11:26] <xzr> there's like 2 guys at the office, in addition to me
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[11:27] <Macer> megaproxy: are you making some sort of field expediant antenna or something?
[11:27] <Macer> just use some speaker wire.. there is a formula for the best length
[11:27] <Macer> in order to create a good wave
[11:28] <megaproxy> i just want internet in my shed .. :(
[11:28] <megaproxy> lol
[11:28] <Macer> so you can send videos of you hacking victims to the internet?
[11:28] <Macer> why not just run fiber to it
[11:28] <Macer> fiber has great range
[11:28] <megaproxy> its great at breaking the bank too
[11:29] <megaproxy> i could run copper..
[11:29] <Macer> oh. then run some cat6
[11:29] <Macer> how far is it
[11:29] <megaproxy> not far
[11:29] <megaproxy> within range of cable
[11:29] <Macer> you would think that a proper outdoor antenna on a wifi router would do the trick
[11:29] <megaproxy> it would if i had one
[11:29] <megaproxy> thats why im making a dish thing, to bounce the signal
[11:29] <Macer> some unidirectional antenna pointed at it
[11:30] <Lobs> buy one of these http://www.urbandrones.com/24Ghz-Extreme-Long-Range-24db-Grid-Antenna_p_23.html
[11:30] <megaproxy> also i dont think you can remove the antenna from the router
[11:30] <Macer> Lobs: looks like a mux antenna
[11:30] <megaproxy> Lobs, with 2 of them pointed to eachother
[11:30] <megaproxy> can you make a cool longrange network?
[11:30] <Lobs> used to use those back in the day to link buildings 20 or so km apart
[11:30] <Macer> megaproxy: some routers have external leads
[11:30] <Lobs> worked well,
[11:31] <Macer> those twisted coax ones
[11:31] <Lobs> now days it wouldnt work, too much 2.4ghz stuff around
[11:31] <megaproxy> Lobs, nice, clear line of site needed?
[11:31] <megaproxy> Macer, ill have a look. if it doesnt i can always get a cheap ebay one
[11:31] <Macer> yeah
[11:31] <Macer> most routers with external antennas
[11:31] <Lobs> megaproxy: no, could go through a small bit of land/buildings, but would not go through pine trees,.
[11:31] <Macer> you can just twist them off
[11:31] <Macer> also
[11:31] <megaproxy> Lobs, damnit, trees is what i was thinking
[11:31] <Macer> a lot of routers (especially the linksys ones) have kits you can buy
[11:31] <Macer> you might be able to find one for what you're looking for
[11:31] <Macer> some are a bit extreme
[11:32] <megaproxy> i think mine might actually be linksys
[11:32] <megaproxy> with ddwrt on
[11:32] <Lobs> megaproxy: most tree's are ok, pine trees are not, (they resonate at 2.4ghz so it seems)
[11:32] <Macer> put mirrors on the top of the trees
[11:32] <Macer> and reflect it
[11:32] <Macer> lol
[11:33] <Macer> Lobs: that's why people should buy more pine furniture
[11:36] <Macer> megaproxy: http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=360545918773&cmd=VIDESC
[11:36] <Macer> you need something like that
[11:36] <Macer> you can probably find cheaper ones
[11:36] <megaproxy> esb :|
[11:37] <megaproxy> hmm
[11:38] <Lobs> you need to have your device that plugs into the usb quite close to that, i wouldnt use one, (esp if i wanted to breed)
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[11:39] <Macer> lol
[11:39] <Macer> Lobs: you can roast marshmellows on it :)
[11:39] <Lobs> if thats what you call your nuts, then go for it ;-P
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[11:40] <gordonDrogon> water resonates at 2.4GHz
[11:40] <Macer> well.. i doubt it... it's like 1000mW
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> so anything with water in it will absorb Wi-Fi.
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> e.g. humans.
[11:40] <Macer> you would need a bit more than that to really do something
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> trees, leaves on trees, etc.
[11:40] <neilr> Fog is also bad
[11:40] <Lobs> gordonDrogon: we found water wasnt too bad to shoot over, except at change of tide, for some reason it would drop out exactly when that happens.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> I ran a community wi-fi project onceupon a time - never again.
[11:41] <Macer> gordonDrogon: when that happens.. just boost it up to like 3KW
[11:41] <Macer> and burn through :)
[11:41] <neilr> Or in the UK, the permanent state of rain
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> Lobs, fresnel zone...
[11:41] <Macer> gordonDrogon: lots of calls about complaints? :)
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[11:41] <gordonDrogon> I had nice graphs of signal strength over the year - I could tell when the sap was rising & the leaves on the trees starting.
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[11:42] <Macer> gordonDrogon: that's awesome!
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> Macer, no - people not paying.
[11:42] <Macer> hahaha.. wow
[11:42] <Macer> how much was your backbone?
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> we used proper outdoors stuff - with antenae bolted onto their roofs, etc.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> when we had a signal, we had a signal and it was good and stable.
[11:42] <Macer> imagine what the larger companies go through ;)
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> 1% of the punters were downloading/sharing p2p style - that was hard to control.
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> we had over 200 customers at one point.
[11:43] <neilr> A few months ago I was looking at bolting a microwave link onto the side of the tower of Ely cathedral for one of the local villages
[11:43] <Macer> gordonDrogon: isn't that what att does nowadays with their new stuff?
[11:43] <Macer> wireless home internet?
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> neilr, don't do it. or do it & fake it, then get BT to do it ...
[11:43] <Macer> using their lte network?
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Macer, att? No idea - I'm in the UK. We have BT here...
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[11:44] <Macer> oh
[11:44] <neilr> :) - that's pretty much exactly what's going to happen
[11:44] <Macer> usually people in the sticks settle for lower bandwidth sat connections
[11:44] <Macer> which i hear have very high latency
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> we have some reasonable sat. connectivity here now.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> latency is only an issue for gaming.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> VoIP can work OK over it.
[11:45] <Macer> yeah heh
[11:45] <Lobs> iirc ~400ms or more if it is two way,
[11:45] <Macer> i'm surprised it isn't higher
[11:45] <Macer> i wonder how much power the transmission pushes out
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> speed of light to a geostationary sat.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> and back.
[11:46] <Macer> probably like 5-10W
[11:46] <Macer> 1KW... to keep birds out the way maybe :)
[11:46] <neilr> gordonDrogon: twice - don't forget the return packet
[11:47] <Lobs> the main delay is caused by the encode and mux
[11:47] <Lobs> (and of course the demux at the other end etc
[11:47] <Lobs> )
[11:47] <scummos^> speed of light to a geostationary sat is not 400ms, not even if you take it twice
[11:47] <scummos^> it's more like 120ms per way
[11:47] <scummos^> or 130
[11:48] <Macer> scummos^: that would most likely be an errorless transmission
[11:48] <scummos^> yes
[11:48] <Macer> i'm sure pkts get lost left and right flying into space and back
[11:49] <scummos^> possible :)
[11:49] <Macer> not to mention sat noise and space junk flying all over the place
[11:49] <Macer> cosmic solar radiation that gets past the magnetosphere
[11:49] <scummos^> yes in practice it will surely take longer :)
[11:50] <scummos^> but the speed-of-light-component is about 240ms, probably
[11:51] <Macer> http://www.space.com/16518-space-junk.html
[11:51] <Macer> humankind is one step above pigs :)
[11:51] <Macer> look at that picture lol
[11:53] <scummos^> yeah that space junk stuff is pretty funny :D
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[11:55] <Macer> soon we are going to have rings
[11:55] <Macer> like saturn
[11:55] <Macer> which would be kind of cool
[11:56] * Lobs bends over to show Macer his ring ;-P
[11:56] <Olipro> classy
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[12:11] <Lobs> what should the pi's idle temp be?
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> Lobs, anywhere between 20C and 70C depending where you are...
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> my Pi's are currently at about 35C.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> my office is at about 16C.
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[12:17] <str0be> Are heatsinks frowned upon by the RPi community?
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[12:19] <str0be> Also, is there a command or tool that can be installed/used to check the Pi's temps?
[12:20] <viric> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[12:20] <neilr> "vcgencmd measure_temp" on Raspbian
[12:21] <Lobs> mine is ~40 degree's C idle
[12:21] <Lobs> but it is rather warm here (more so humid)
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[12:22] <Macer> things to not forget next time. when installing a new rom on an android tablet... get the gapps pkg too :-/
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> str0be, you asked that earlier... What it boils down to is this: They're not needed. The chips are designed to run at temperatures up to 85C, so putting a heatsink on them really doesn't do anything at all.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> people do put them on though - why? I don't know, but some people are obsessed with them.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> Personally I think they're a waste of time & money.
[12:28] <viric> here, at 100% cpu all the time (no gpu work), it doesn't go over 46??C
[12:29] <str0be> wow, Ok ;)
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[12:32] <viric> maybe the gpu makes it burn. no idea.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> it does get a little hotter.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> and pumping data via the ethernet/usb makes that chip heat up a little too.
[12:39] <magi> Is it normal that the gpio pins default direction is in?
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:39] <magi> hmm ok
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> unless you load the SPI or I2C drivers.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> what are you seeing?
[12:41] <magi> I'm seeing them as in :)
[12:41] <magi> I struggle with my relaycard, i can't have them change states as i boot/reboot.
[12:41] <magi> Since i'm gonna connect fireworks to them.
[12:42] <magi> And since the rasp pi default to in, the relay opens when i change the state to out
[12:42] <magi> But i guess thats fine.
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[12:43] <magi> P1-13 behaves different then the other gpio pins, i have constantly 0.17V current on that pin, escept when i shut it of or reboots.
[12:43] <magi> Then there is 0V for half a second resulting in open/close of the relayport
[12:43] <viric> gordonDrogon: hm I compile things over nfs, so I guess 45?? get all the heat from cpu and usb-ethernet.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> viric, probably.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> magi, do you have a data sheet for that relay card? I saw the video...
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> magi, personally, I think you need a 2nd level of isolation for fireworks - something mechanical! ie. a big switch that only feeds power to the relays when you've verified that the Pi outputs are correct.
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> even then - a power blip, reboot, etc. and you've just lost all the fireworks...
[12:48] <Caleb> i feel bad
[12:48] <Caleb> i need to turn my pi on and let it update
[12:49] <Caleb> been a while since its been turned on
[12:49] <akiwiguy> i just set up mine as a DHCP server :D
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[13:02] <magi> gordonDrogon i have a 12V 7.2Ah battery connected to the relays for the fireworks.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> magi, ok.
[13:03] <magi> ahh yes, I think i'm gonna need a safety switch.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Pi can't handle 2 mini servos - crowbars the +5v supply.
[13:03] <Draylor> heh, trying to build something fun?
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> ah yes. 150mA running, so 2 = 300mA which is on the limits..
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> Not really - I wrote a softServo module for wiringPi and I needed some servos to test it with.
[13:04] <Draylor> :(
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> had a few people ask for it - despite there being the servoblaster kernel module!
[13:04] <Draylor> kinda thought youd just be messing/testing, but its christmas, thought you might be building toys
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> well yes, I do have some toys to build/test, but that'll take the next month or 2 :)
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> I ordered up some stepper motors, so just ordered the servos at the same time.
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> it's working OK - probably no OK enough to fly a plane though.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> suffers the same as anything in userland does under linux - jitter.
[13:11] <lxSnow> o/
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[13:19] <gordonDrogon> Hm. travel on these servos only seens to be 45 degrees.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> still - for a cheap way to move something like a toy gun turret on a model, etc. it does seem to work well.
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[13:31] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Think I may have just blown up one of those servo motors.
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> they both were getting very hot.
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[13:32] <SpeedEvil> jitter will do that
[13:32] <SpeedEvil> how are you setting the timing?
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[13:33] <SpeedEvil> you need jitter well under 1% of 20ms. or 200us
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> or they may get hot
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> it's all done in software in userland on the Pi.
[13:34] <SpeedEvil> ah.
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[13:34] <SpeedEvil> 50us or better repeatibiltiy is really preferred
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> all part of the learning curve :)
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> oops
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> not woried.
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> no, the pulse is about a millisecond wide
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> so well under 1us
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> the pulses are OK. I can generate from 1ms to 2ms without an issue.
[13:35] <bertrik> hm, perhaps you can control it with an audio signal?
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> in 1uS steps.
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> do you have a scope?
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> looks fine on the scope.
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> what's the jitter?
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> but there is jitter - really can't avoid it in userland.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> hard to measure on my little dso quad...
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> it's the same for my software PWM - good for LEDs - maybe not good for anything else.
[13:36] <SpeedEvil> jitter will make the servo seek back and forth rapidly, and make it deeply unhappy
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> they hold position relatively well, but buzz...
[13:37] * aaa801 tabkefkuos
[13:37] <aaa801> Sigh,
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> let me see if I can make a quick video.
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[13:45] <Nik05> 6win /win 3
[13:45] <Nik05> ho
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> 34MB. going to take a few moments..
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> 5 more...
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> (minutes)
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[13:55] <gordonDrogon> these are the servos: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/robotics/sparkfun-small-servo
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[13:59] <gordonDrogon> www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRrUdm9WYc
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> enjoy :)
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> the program is: http://unicorn.drogon.net/servo.c
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[14:03] <Gadgetoid> Ahoy gordonDrogon, how do? Good Christmas?
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> eaten too much as usual :)
[14:04] <Gadgetoid> Likewise!
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, any comments on the video?
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[14:08] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: You have one of those mini wassisnames!
[14:09] <Gadgetoid> Oscilloscope, that's the one
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> yes!
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> dso-quad.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> it's ok for what it is - sometimes wish I'd doubled my money for something bigger, however, it's fine.
[14:12] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yikes, they're still expensive though??? the sort of thing that I'd be fine with, I may have to try the ol' blag
[14:12] <Gadgetoid> At the moment I'm busy cataloguing stuff to sell, to scratch together some cash for a couple of PCs
[14:13] * gordonDrogon nods.
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: for servos, soundcard is fine for debuggi g
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> I've played tones via software too - there is a softTone librasry in wiringPi now :)
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> it all uses the same basic technique.
[14:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nice! I'm once again behind the curve with the wrapping libraries, drat
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> you do get the odd blip though - that's linux for you.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, these are un-anounced - ie. experimental :)
[14:16] <Gadgetoid> Looking forward to getting home and soldering up that ladder board
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> ah, you've not done it yet?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> My soldering iron gave up on my today.
[14:16] <Gadgetoid> The more I can streamline testing and actually verify stuff works, the faster I'll be able to push up revisions I thin
[14:16] <Gadgetoid> Ouch, you had a nice little iron there!
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> nice, but old.
[14:16] <Gadgetoid> Had no time to solder up before heading off to the inlaws for Christmas
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> do I go to maplin and get a cheap antex before ordering a new posh one, or hang on ...
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[14:18] <Gadgetoid> I'd hang on, how broken is yours then?
[14:18] <Gadgetoid> That said you can get a soldering iron for next to nothing anyway, mine were both given to me!
[14:19] <Gadgetoid> Both ancient, but functional!
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> I think I need a new tip, element and thermal sensor thingy.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> and mapils website is broken. joy.
[14:20] <Gadgetoid> Their website was made broken!
[14:20] <Gadgetoid> I definitely need a new tip, but I suspect I'm 10-20 years too late for that
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I was still using the original tip I got with the weller, but they have little magnets on the bottom which control the thermostat - and I think that's given up too.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I could hard-wire it to be always on - but I need a soldering iron for that..
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> Ha. Maplins website requires cookies. I have cookes turned off.
[14:23] <DeliriumTremens> gordonDrogon: soldering irons are like $10
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[14:25] <gordonDrogon> DeliriumTremens, yea, been through that, but I want a good quality temp. controlled one. My last one lasted me 35 years and was 2nd hand when I bought it.
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> todays equivalent of that is about ?300.
[14:26] <DeliriumTremens> you can't use a soldering iron to fix itself ;_;
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[14:26] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: yeah after seeing your iron in the videos, I looked up temp-controlled ones??? ouch
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> ok. wifey will pass Maplin in exeter in the next 90 minutes, so I'll order a chep one for collect, then that gives me time to source a decent one for the rest of my life.
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[14:34] <ZiGzAg_> guys, please give this a "kudos" (vote) please (if you havent already done so) - to get libspotify compiled for armhf: http://community.spotify.com/t5/Spotify-Ideas/armhf-Spotify-library-for-DIY-projects/idi-p/140972 - thanks :)
[14:34] <ZiGzAg_> only thing needed to throw out the old htpc :)
[14:34] <neilr> Exeter? Will you be using an outboard motor for the shopping run?
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> what's spotify?
[14:34] <ZiGzAg_> music streaming :)
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> neilr, er... actually, the store is close to exebridges, but I think it's clear now..
[14:35] <ZiGzAg_> popular in the nordic countries
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> ah. music. don't do that myself...
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[14:36] <ZiGzAg_> hehe, essential in the xmas time in our house :)
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[14:37] <megaproxy> nuuuuu
[14:38] <megaproxy> my cat is probably going to be put down tomorrow :(((((
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, how old?
[14:39] <megaproxy> 17
[14:39] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/Kimzu.jpg
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> not too bad an age for an old moggie.
[14:39] <ZiGzAg_> megaproxy: oh, sorry to hear :( i have two..
[14:39] <locutox> i had to put down a cat of similiar age recently
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> our old one was about 20/21 when we had it put down.
[14:40] <locutox> it's ok there are plenty to replace it with
[14:40] <megaproxy> i already have another boy cat who is about 2
[14:40] <megaproxy> but little miss ive had since i was 8 or 9
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> locutox, bit insensitive there. I guess you've never had a pet for a long time.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> you do get attached to them.
[14:41] <ZiGzAg_> indeed, bond is pretty strong to them!
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> old cats do suffer from bladder & kidney problems though. Our old one "leaked" a lot before she went.
[14:43] <megaproxy> yea, our cats been peeing lots and drinking loads of water. Sign of kidney failure
[14:43] <megaproxy> vet also thinks she has a tumor near her liver
[14:43] <megaproxy> and recently her belly is so huge, i think its grown massivly
[14:43] <megaproxy> hence being put down :(
[14:43] <megaproxy> shes not in pain though, and that makes me want to keep her
[14:43] <megaproxy> but it wont be long before her gut bursts or something
[14:44] <ZiGzAg_> sad to hear :(
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[14:46] <megaproxy> i got the day off work tomorrow, so i can say bye :(
[14:49] <neilr> Dammit, motivation is hard to find today. Have a stack of work, but just can't get into it. Any ideas? (Other than concentrating on next months mortgage payment...)
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[14:50] <megaproxy> neilr, same boat
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[14:50] <megaproxy> id rather just go home and play n64
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[14:50] <neilr> Heh. I'm at home. That could be why it's difficult :)
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[14:51] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, yea, old cat. droopy belly, etc. hang in there, I think you're doing the right thing.
[14:51] <megaproxy> I have Sir Tom to keep me company
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> neilr, self employed?
[14:52] <neilr> gordonDrogon: Nope - just work full time from home as I refused to relocate to Reading a few years back.
[14:52] <megaproxy> rpi will suck at n64 emulation right?
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> neilr, Ah OK :)
[14:53] <neilr> hence I work from my shed :)
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> I have an office at home.
[14:53] <bertrik> well, the first thing to increase productivity is CLOSE IRC! :D
[14:54] * neilr considers himself chastised :)
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[14:56] <Olipro> heh, an A to your PTR
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> ?
[14:56] <Olipro> I was referring to neilr
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> maybe he doesn't want an A?
[14:57] <neilr> I think I have an A already.
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> and a default PTR.
[14:57] <Olipro> no no
[14:57] <neilr> (Are we talking zone files here?)
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> probbly.
[14:57] <Olipro> you have your rDNS as your rDNS
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> hacktually, he has an AA :)
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[14:58] <neilr> :)
[14:58] <neilr> I don't look after my own rDNS
[14:58] <megaproxy> has anyone made a working n64 emu yet?
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> I need a working lunch.
[14:59] <neilr> Turkey sandwich? :/
[14:59] <Olipro> well, either your sysadmin is a funny guy, or he doesn't quite understand what you're meant to do with PTR records
[15:00] <neilr> Um, really, I don't look after my rDNS. That's delegated to my ISP. I've not looked at it to be honest. Perhaps I should do.
[15:01] <megaproxy> Y NO N64?!
[15:01] <Olipro> tried mupen64plus?
[15:02] <megaproxy> reading what some people say, it doesnt work..
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[15:06] <gordonDrogon> no turkey here.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> Olipro, the sysadmins are neilr's ISP are probably some of the best in the UK...
[15:08] <Olipro> heh, Andrews & Arnold
[15:08] <Olipro> seeing as you're with A&A, I'm surprised you don't have IPv6
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[15:09] <neilr> Just laziness on my part really - I should do. I'd need to upgrade my router, but I have a nice Juniper SRX210 sitting next to me doing nothing right now...
[15:10] <neilr> But yes, the reason I pay for A&A is that they really do know what they're doing.
[15:10] <Olipro> I'm hoping that RIPE will change their policy on PI space
[15:10] <Olipro> A&A used to offer sponsorship for an IPv4 /24 & IPv6 /48 + an ASN
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> Hm. maybe I ought to switch my ipv6 back on again.
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> not gotten round to traffic management with it, so uploading to youtube really cripples my connection
[15:12] <Olipro> my router's a linux box, I setup HFSC with a couple of SFQ and RED qdiscs and then classify from ip(6)tables
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> my router's a linux box too.
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[15:15] <gordonDrogon> and one of these days I'll have time to fiddle with it again.
[15:16] <neilr> http://clueless.aaisp.net.uk/help.html#revdns - I thought I'd best go and see what they were doing :)
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[15:17] <Olipro> yeah, there's nothing special for the ARPA zone
[15:17] <Olipro> *special about
[15:17] <neilr> So, I can delegate it if I want. As it is, it's just set to auto-delegation, as I've never thought about it before
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. most excellent earl grey tea my wife bought me for xmas!
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> I have to email to support staff at entanet to change mine, but it usually happens in a day or 2.
[15:18] * plugwash recalls looking at aaisp and deciding the prices were not just high but crazy high
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[15:19] <gordonDrogon> Reassuringly high.
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> but if you want the best...
[15:20] <neilr> I always thought the rDNS mechanism was a nice way of doing things given the order of significance is exactly opposite from forward DNS
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[15:30] <Draylor> if you pay peanuts you get .... etc
[15:31] <Draylor> indian call centres being the current version of that i guess
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> there are a few mid-range ISPs that are good though - well above the sheeple grade ones, but below the AAISP levels..
[15:38] <Hodapp> meanwhile, in the US...
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> A-Ha...
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> yea, not much choice there...
[15:38] <markit> mmm maybe because I've 256MB, but is slow like hell... just trying to play with idle3 and do some google search for basic python syntax (never used python)... is almost at 100% cpu all the time, and I've overclocked it!
[15:39] <Hodapp> YAY, 2 megabits for $45 in a dense metropolitan area! WOW! It's almost like... speeds have stayed the SAME since 2001 when I first realized DSL existed!
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> markit, eh?
[15:40] <Hodapp> markit: that seems quite odd...
[15:40] <markit> really :(
[15:40] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: if you use Firefox, setting network.dns.ipv4OnlyDomains to youtube.com would be a better workaround
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, ooh... didn't know about that.
[15:42] <Dagger2> plugwash: they have a new package called Home::1 that might be significantly cheaper for you, depending on your usage
[15:42] <markit> Dagger2: firefox in RB?
[15:43] <Dagger2> markit: huh?
[15:43] <markit> [15:40] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: if you use Firefox,
[15:44] <markit> but I did not read the log, maybe you were talking about FF not in RB, I suppose
[15:44] <Dagger2> RB = Raspberry Pi, I guess?
[15:44] <neilr> RB?
[15:44] <markit> RB = raspberry?
[15:44] <markit> how do you call it usually in short form?
[15:44] <viric> do RB-trees give berries?
[15:45] <viric> :)
[15:45] <Dagger2> I prefer "RPi", or some use "RP"
[15:45] <Dagger2> don't thik I've seen anyone use RB before
[15:45] <viric> (algorithmic humour)
[15:45] <markit> Dagger2: I see and will comply
[15:46] <markit> btw, I've issued "poweroff", changed sd, and want to start again... just have to unplug/plug power, or there is some trick?
[15:46] <Dagger2> think*
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, not sure that's working - data comes from *.1e100.net
[15:47] <Dagger2> and now we've got that sorted... yeah, Firefox on the RPi is slow. it actually didn't occur to me that gordonDrogon might be doing the upload on one though
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> not a Pi, my desktop.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> but I do use firefox.
[15:48] <markit> mmm sd card for berryterminal seems damaged, bad messages during boot
[15:48] <plugwash> Dagger2, mmm, that has appeared since I last looked and it brings them down from "crazy expensive" to merely "expensive"
[15:48] <Dagger2> I guess you could set it to 1e100.net, but it has the chance of affecting other Google services too then
[15:48] <Dagger2> ... but a smaller chance than just outright disabling v6 will do
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. can I turn easilly ipv6 on/off in firefox I wonder.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> although writing an ipv6 traffic shaper is ultimately the best thing to do!
[15:50] <PhotoJim> RB = Raspberry Beta maybe? :)
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> brb
[15:50] <Dagger2> plugwash: and you do get a lot for the expense, like a dedicated team for kicking BT in the rear until they fix problems
[15:50] <PhotoJim> Just disable IPv6 if you don't want to deal with IPv6 traffic.
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[15:50] <Dagger2> and people on the support line that actually know what they're talking about
[15:50] <Dagger2> ... and an IRC channel, so you don't ever have to call the support line
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I know - don't really want to disable ipv6 all the time though.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> especially after I whinged for long enough to get it!!!
[15:51] <Dagger2> and yeah, there's network.dns.disableIPv6
[15:51] <Dagger2> there's also some extensions... erm
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, ok - well I'll give that a go next time I need to upload a video - which might be tonight.
[15:52] <Dagger2> 4or6 has options for it in its icon context menu
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> switched back to IPv6 now.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> must give myself a better IP address...
[15:52] <Dagger2> including a "temporarily disable" option that's useful for saving you the effort of remembering to do that yourself
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> ToggleV6 appears intersting.
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> and appears to work too. neat!
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> went overboard with my hosted servers: unicorn.drogon.net has IPv6 address 2a00:ce0:2:feed:beef:cafe:d00d:5
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> or maybe I just ran out of imagination.
[15:59] <Dagger2> yeah, I find addresses like that to be silly
[15:59] <Dagger2> just use ::{1..10} etc
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:59] * plugwash tends to preffer to keep his ipv6 addresses as short as possible
[15:59] <Dagger2> or the SLAAC address, is what I actually do
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> no-one actually types them though.
[16:00] <PhotoJim> I just let radvd give me an IP based on my MAC, except my router which gets ::1 on my /64.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> I want fixed IPs for servers though, so if I upgrade/replace one the new one gets the same IP as the old one.
[16:01] <PhotoJim> that's what DNS is for.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> I did try & setup isc-dhcpd a while back, but gave up.
[16:01] <PhotoJim> I always simultaneously deploy a new server alongside an old one so I need separate IPs anyway.
[16:02] <PhotoJim> takes me a few days to fully do it, usually.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, sure, but I don't want days..
[16:02] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: you can always just decrease your TTLs in DNS when you're going to change a server... then update the IP in your DNS.
[16:02] <PhotoJim> but IPv6 is flexible. your way isn't wrong.
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Yes, I know. I do that. Ask a 100 engineers, get 100 answers...
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[16:03] <PhotoJim> maybe I need to bribe you with beer the next time I change out my server at home. ;)
[16:03] <PhotoJim> it always takes me a few days to remember how to reconfigure all my old stuff.
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I have 20 in a data centre...
[16:04] <PhotoJim> I only do this for a hobby, so the demands are a little more relaxed.
[16:04] <Dagger2> or don't bother with editing TTLs; just assign the old IP to the new server manually until the old DNS records expire
[16:05] <PhotoJim> Dagger2: not a bad idea.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, I started as a hobby..... my advice; keep it that way!!!
[16:05] <PhotoJim> I quite like that.
[16:05] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: lol... duly noted.
[16:05] <PhotoJim> I have enough employment already anyway.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm self employed... don't give up the day job!
[16:06] <neilr> mmm, I can't say I've ever considered DNS as a hobby
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> I think we mean running servers...
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[16:08] <PhotoJim> neilr: DNS supports the networking hobby, so to speak.
[16:09] <PhotoJim> when you have two Pis and an Ultra 1 and two SPARCstations and a VAXstation and an i7 and a Core 2 Quad and a Mac Mini and a SheevaPlug and a Commodore 128 on a network together, if you don't call it a "hobby" then you need to get some mental health experts involved. ;)
[16:09] <neilr> Yup, that's a fair point. It's really important to understand DNS
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> I understand DNS.
[16:10] <neilr> Heh. My home network has simplified from something like that down to two Pis and my work machine.
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> I have this notepad on top of the router
[16:10] <IT_Sean> Bullspit. NOBDOY understands DNS.
[16:10] <IT_Sean> :p
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> it has the ips of my devices on
[16:11] <neilr> I used to have a pair of Netras heating the office as well as doing some serving occasionally
[16:11] <neilr> and a sheevaplug come to think of it
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[16:11] <TAFB_ssd> hey hey :)
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, what's your electricity bill like ;-)
[16:12] <BurtyB> IT_Sean, dns was fine until dnssec came along
[16:12] <SpeedEvil> I'm about to move my pi based stuff onto a bigger server.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, I built a root namesever once. actually a pair of them. then I discovered layer 9 of the 7-layer model; politics.
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> nexus 7 with a cracked screen
[16:13] <TAFB_ssd> SpeedEvil: ohhh sounds fun :)
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Hahaha
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Wait... 9?
[16:13] <IT_Sean> What's layer 8?
[16:13] <TAFB_ssd> SpeedEvil: What OS? Arch?
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> money.
[16:13] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: not bad actually, although it's not all always running :)
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> probably ubintu
[16:13] <IT_Sean> Ahh... yes.
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> as a base
[16:13] <SpeedEvil> just to get it booting anyway
[16:13] <TAFB_ssd> SpeedEvil: funky :)
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> it's a nice platform.
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> I had various sparcs, etc. once upon a time. Managed to give them away. Had to deliver them personally though.
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> never really fancied vax kit. Want a PDP11/40 though.
[16:15] <neilr> gordonDrogon: was that a public root nameserver?
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[16:16] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: I only run OpenBSD on my VAX. I've never really understood OpenVMS well enough to administer it.
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[16:17] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: my SS20 has dual Ross 180s and half a gig of RAM. it'd have been sweet to have it in its day.
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[16:18] <gordonDrogon> neilr, that was it's intention. located at LINX... it did run as an experiment for early gTLD server I think.
[16:19] <Dagger2> its*
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, yea, that's an intersting SS20. I have some hm. forgotten an Enterprise 2 - dual us4's with 4GB of RAM and a pair of 360's (I think) same spec. made good room heaters.
[16:19] <PhotoJim> Heh. Yes.
[16:20] <PhotoJim> My Ultra 1 has 36 GB of disk space and a gig of RAM. I actually use it. It's doing audio capture off live audio streams at the moment.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Hm. just had a big surge in ipv6 traffic to my own website - and it's not me.. a whopping peak of ... 60Kbits/sec...
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, neat! Still running solaris on it?
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[16:22] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: no. Gentoo :)
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, probably for the best!!!
[16:22] <PhotoJim> Heh, probably.
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[16:23] <gordonDrogon> I just don't find anything running Linux to be exciting though - the Pi is for it's GPIO and cute+size factor.
[16:23] <PhotoJim> Linux isn't exciting, but the hardware underneath it can be.
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon> maybe that's it and it's the "PC" that's just dull & boring.
[16:24] <PhotoJim> PCs are dull and boring. Just (mostly) necessary.
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[16:27] <markit> GNU/Linux, that is Free(dom) software and you can see the source, redistribuite, etc,. is exiting itself for this
[16:28] <markit> it's not a "product", is a great thing (tm) ;P
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon> Hm. maybe I ought to setup my Apple II for some retro fun...
[16:31] <str0be> akiwiguy> How did you manage that?
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[16:45] <Lasivian> heya
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[16:45] <Lasivian> Anyone know what displays are compatible with the DSI connector?
[16:45] <str0be> all of them ;)
[16:46] <Lasivian> smartass :)
[16:46] <plugwash> we can't use the DSI connector at the moment :(
[16:46] <Lasivian> :O
[16:46] <Lasivian> well, poo
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[16:46] <Lasivian> thanks :)
[16:47] <plugwash> and I suspect we will only ever be able to use it with a raspberry Pi foundation supplied display because it's driven from the GPU :(
[16:47] <Grievar> wait why can't we use it?
[16:49] <erska> GPU driver doesn't apparently output anything to it, at least yet
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[17:14] <slawek> Hi all ;)
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[17:16] <TAFB_ssd> well hello!
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[17:16] <slawek> I would to run i.e irssi while booting. Can someone help me with the script? Well, im kinda new to linux ;c
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[17:16] <pcercuei> whoa, there's a bunch of people here
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[17:17] <TAFB_ssd> slawek: sorry, I'm noob too :(
[17:17] <NickBouwhuis> I love pie!
[17:17] <slawek> TAFB_ssd: :(
[17:17] <NickBouwhuis> LOL
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> loads of people here :)
[17:18] <IT_Sean> usually are.
[17:18] <netw1z> take a pi
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> mince pie..
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[17:18] <slawek> TAFB_ssd: the point is i know how to script, but I dont know where everything is placed in linux ;(
[17:18] <IT_Sean> apple pie?
[17:18] <NickBouwhuis> What should I use as mediacenter software for my Pi? Raspmc, OpenElec or something else?
[17:18] <pcercuei> I have one question, would it be possible to do I/O at 25MHz using the GPIOs or should I use a FPGA instead?
[17:18] <NickBouwhuis> My question is stupid :(
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> slawek, irssi is an IRC client program..
[17:19] <slawek> gordonDrogon: well i know ;)
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> slawek, so you really need to 'login' to run it.
[17:19] <slawek> but i would like to run screen with irssi after boot
[17:19] <IT_Sean> <-- on irssi now
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> pcercuei, no.
[17:20] <Maqs> try crontab, @reboot, screen irssi? (try google) ;)
[17:20] <pcercuei> (would the Pi be able to process GPIO events coming at a frequency of 25MHz?)
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> pcercuei, still no.
[17:20] <pcercuei> crap. ok
[17:20] <slawek> Maqs: I rather tried to do some start | stop script ;s
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> pcercuei, the absolute fastest you can poll the GPIO registerd, even in asembly language appears to be about 20MHz.
[17:21] <slawek> so every time i need to stop screen session it would be easier to me ;)
[17:21] <pcercuei> ok, so I definitely need a real FPGA
[17:21] <viric> pcercuei: what do you want to do?
[17:21] <pcercuei> thanks for the info
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> pcercuei, or something that can sample & store for you, then clock it into the Pi at a slower rate.
[17:22] <pcercuei> vivic, man, you're everywhere :-)
[17:22] <pcercuei> vivic: a clone of the sega dreamcast's ethernet card
[17:22] <viric> pcercuei: ah, qi! :) I wondered if you wanted to do gps things
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> pcercuei, why not just use the on-board Ethernet?
[17:23] <pcercuei> it's connected to a non-standard bus that works at 25MHz
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[17:24] <pcercuei> gordonDrogon, the dreamcast doesn't have on-board ethernet, and the external ethernet adapter is like $200
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[17:25] <IT_Sean> so, you are intending to use the Pi as a replacement for this adapter?
[17:26] <pcercuei> that was my idea, yes
[17:26] <IT_Sean> kiiiinky.
[17:26] <IT_Sean> Neat idea.
[17:26] <pcercuei> is there a FPGA expansion card for the Pi?
[17:26] <IT_Sean> o_O
[17:26] <IT_Sean> ahwha?
[17:27] <pcercuei> (sorry if I ask dumb questions, I don't have a Pi right now)
[17:27] <IT_Sean> No.
[17:28] <IT_Sean> You would have to roll your own solution to bridge the Pi and the Sega
[17:28] <IT_Sean> And there are no stupid questions, pcercuei, only stupid users. :p Amirite?
[17:28] <IT_Sean> (not calling you stupid, of course)
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[17:30] <pcercuei> custom solution => FPGA
[17:31] <chithead> I think you can make a serial connection between the rpi and the dreamcase
[17:31] <chithead> dreamcast*
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Have you examined the protocol the sega uses to speak to the ethernet card?
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[17:32] <DDave> Heya, small question. Should I install apache or lighttpd? (Resource-wise) on my raspi?
[17:32] <DDave> Or is the difference marginal? I am not expecting any load..
[17:33] <pcercuei> IT_Sean: yes
[17:34] <IT_Sean> and?
[17:34] <IT_Sean> Is it some sort of well documented standard, or is it some propritary thing?
[17:34] <pcercuei> and what? :-)
[17:34] <IT_Sean> Is it some sort of well documented standard, or is it some propritary thing?
[17:35] <pcercuei> proprietary, as I said above
[17:35] <IT_Sean> Ah, i must have missed that.
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[17:36] <pcercuei> I guess I'll just take a small xula board. That's twice the price of the Pi though
[17:36] <pcercuei> I gtg. See you around
[17:36] <IT_Sean> Gotta pay to play.
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[17:38] <FunkyELF> Got a couple of Pi's in the mail. I want to get them online with raspbian but don't want to hook them up to a monitor. Is this possible? Will they come up on their own with sshd started?
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[17:39] <locutox> yes, but you need to enable sshd first
[17:39] <slawek> gordonDrogon: ok, i got script, but it doesnt work properrly http://pastebin.com/NbMhg1hk
[17:39] <Dyskette> sshd is enabled by default on raspbian, is it not?
[17:39] <slawek> gordonDrogon: could you help me a bit? ;s
[17:40] <Dyskette> Pretty sure it was when I last flashed my card
[17:43] <Man_of_Wax> FunkyELF: sshd and dhcpd are up by default
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[17:43] <Dyskette> dhcpd is not on by default... it does configure the ethernet via dhcp by default though
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[17:45] <DDave> FunkyELF, yes it should :)
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[17:56] <Caleb> does usb3 have enough power to power a pi?
[17:56] <Caleb> just curious
[17:57] <FunkyELF> Is there a user setup by default or just root? what is the default root password? Any tricks to finding out what IP it obtained?
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[17:58] <linuxstb> FunkyELF: If you're talking about Raspbian, then yes, username "pi", password "raspberry" I think. I'm not sure if there is a root password, you normally just use sudo.
[17:59] <Encrypt> linuxstb, There is no root password
[17:59] <dAnjou> who the hell had this brilliant idea anyway?
[17:59] <Encrypt> But FunkyELF can set it executing "sudo su" and then "passwd"
[17:59] <Encrypt> dAnjou, WHich idea ?
[17:59] <linuxstb> FunkyELF: If you connect it to a screen, you will see the IP address displayed. Other ways are to look in your router (or whatever is your dhcp server), or to try a network scanning app like "nmap" from another computer on the same LAN.
[18:00] <dAnjou> Encrypt: don't do sudo su, do sudo -i
[18:00] <linuxstb> FunkyELF: Or for me, the Pi joined the network with the hostname "raspberrypi", so no need to even care about the IP.
[18:00] <dAnjou> Encrypt: to set the no-password option in the sudoers file
[18:00] <Encrypt> Don't know :?
[18:01] <Encrypt> But that's a good idea, that's true...
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[18:01] <dAnjou> that's fucking nuts
[18:02] <dAnjou> linuxstb: or just ifconfig
[18:02] <FunkyELF> nice
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[18:03] <linuxstb> dAnjou: Hmm, I assumed FunkyELF didn't have a keyboard or screen attached
[18:03] <dAnjou> oh
[18:03] <dAnjou> i see
[18:03] * FunkyELF is running dd right now on some old SD card I found
[18:03] <FunkyELF> does raspbian resize the partition the first time it boots to take advantage of the entire sd card?
[18:04] <dAnjou> no
[18:04] <dAnjou> but you can do that afterwards
[18:04] <njbair> FunkyELF: you have to run raspi_config to do that I think
[18:04] <njbair> actually `sudo raspi-config`
[18:05] <FunkyELF> I found some HTC usb wall chargers laying around the house. They are 5V 1A... so they're within spec right?
[18:07] <IT_Sean> Yes
[18:07] <IT_Sean> Make suer they are stable @ 5v though... Don't over/undervolt the Pi
[18:07] <FunkyELF> I found it impossible to search Amazon or Monoprice for appropriate chargers... some of state the amps but none of them state the volts
[18:09] <IT_Sean> If it's USB, it SHOULD be 5v. Some cheaper ones are poorly regulated, however.
[18:09] <IT_Sean> If they are far enough out of spec, they could damage the Pi
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[18:11] <IT_Sean> USB = 5v. That's a given. The only issue is if you have a very poorly made charger that is not properly regulated, it could be putting out 4.5v, or 5.6v, or something odd like that.
[18:11] <IT_Sean> Which would be bad.
[18:12] <megaproxy> ha
[18:12] <megaproxy> someone made a rpi version of google glasses
[18:13] <Ubermouser> link?
[18:13] <megaproxy> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/10-raspberry-pi-creations-that-show-how-amazing-the-tiny-pc-can-be/3/
[18:13] <FunkyELF> hmm... I don't own a multimeter
[18:13] <megaproxy> end part of the article
[18:13] <megaproxy> ah
[18:13] <megaproxy> http://blog.makerbar.com/?p=254 < better link
[18:13] <IT_Sean> FunkyELF: two choices.. 1) get a multimeter or 2) plug and pray.
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[18:15] <FunkyELF> I could go out and get one... probably something good to have. is there a guide or something out there showing where the test points are?
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[18:16] <megaproxy> on the board they are marked
[18:16] <megaproxy> tp1 and tp2
[18:16] <megaproxy> afaik
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[18:17] <markedathome> anyone know the stability of this usb power supply? twin output 1A http://www.maplin.co.uk/twin-output-usb-1a-power-supply-227633
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[18:18] <Encrypt> markedathome, No, sorry...
[18:18] <Encrypt> markedathome, What are you planning to do with your RPi ?
[18:18] <markedathome> i
[18:18] <FunkyELF> all I have is a battery tester. amazon looks to have some multimeters w/ good ratings at $20... but the ones at Lowes with good ratings are $100
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[18:19] <markedathome> 've got a pcworld, maplin or argos, maybe carphone warehouse/sainsburys/tesco to choose an adapter from - need to get it tomorrow as the current psu is my phone charger
[18:20] <Encrypt> Because if you're planning to use a keyboard, mouse, USB Key...
[18:21] <Encrypt> There is a good D-link + power hub
[18:21] <Encrypt> markedathome, http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-DUB-H7-High-Speed-7-Port/dp/B00008VFAF
[18:23] <markedathome> Encrypt: it is going to be supplying an external hd, a hub, bluetooth, keyboard, maybe wifi
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[18:23] <markedathome> hd is wd elements se 500GB
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[18:24] <Encrypt> markedathome, I think the HUB I showed you may be a good choice ;)
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[18:24] <str0be> Anyone alive?
[18:24] <Encrypt> Yep
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[18:25] <str0be> I need some help with XBMC
[18:25] <Encrypt> markedathome, As you can see, there are two 1200 mA supplied ports
[18:25] <markedathome> Encrypt: and power the pi from the hub? i've just found links for the 7port version as well as the 5port, thanks :-)
[18:25] <Encrypt> markedathome, You'll be able to power your Pi from this port
[18:25] <FunkyELF> IT_Sean: if I get a multimeter how could I test the USB power supply without plugging it into the Pi?
[18:25] <str0be> Im running it on Raspbian and its really slow, can I run it straight from the command line instead of running X.org first?
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[18:26] <str0be> I type: 'startx' then select XBMC from the menu, can I run XBMC straight from the CLI instead of through the GUI?
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[18:26] <Encrypt> markedathome, Morever, I have to day that D-link products are good ;)
[18:27] <Encrypt> markedathome, It always works well
[18:28] <IT_Sean> FunkyELF: easiest would be to lop off an old USB cable, plug 'er in and meter the power leads (make sure they do not touch one another)
[18:28] <FunkyELF> Lets say I go to Home Depot and buy this multi-meter..... I see a big dial. What would I even set it to?
[18:28] <FunkyELF> www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202946167/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053
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[18:28] <IT_Sean> FunkyELF: google "how to use a multimeter"
[18:28] <IT_Sean> there are LOADS of how-tos out there
[18:29] <TAFB_ssd> if you're not in a hurry this multimeter is great for $5 shipped: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ammeter-Voltmeter-Ohm-Test-Meter-Professional-Electric-Digital-Multimeter-DT830B-Free-Shipping/476279580.html
[18:29] <TAFB_ssd> the 10amp load test feature is great
[18:29] <megaproxy> UK peoples. Where is a good place to buy a PC. I dont want pre built, but i dont want to build myself. So something i can customise a bit
[18:30] <markedathome> Encrypt: thanks for the info
[18:31] <Encrypt> markedathome, No problem ;)
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[18:35] <FunkyELF> IT_Sean: hmm... I'm looking here: http://learn.adafruit.com/multimeters/voltage
[18:36] <FunkyELF> they pictures show that they have it set at 20, but they don't say why
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[18:39] <IT_Sean> The knob sets the 'range' you are metering on.
[18:40] <IT_Sean> So, the 20vdc range is for measuring DC voltages of 20v or less
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[18:42] <FunkyELF> ahh..... okay. they have a 1 piece for a little cheaper. I see this 3 piece set comes with a tester for wall sockets which may come in handy. The other thing looks like a pen and says it is a voltage tester. What would I ever use that on?
[18:42] <Hodapp> megaproxy: I would imagine that Dell and HP still will gladly build custom systems on your side of the pond.
[18:42] <Hodapp> though I've dealt with them only from the US.
[18:42] <megaproxy> D=
[18:42] <megaproxy> but they are both awfull
[18:42] <megaproxy> unless you want servers..
[18:42] <Hodapp> Why are they awful?
[18:42] <megaproxy> cheap parts in desktops
[18:43] <megaproxy> i may end up building this PC myself in the end :(
[18:43] <megaproxy> i cant be bothered lol
[18:43] <Hodapp> What cheap parts have you found across-the-board in HP and Dell systems?
[18:43] <IT_Sean> Build it yourself.
[18:43] <megaproxy> its normally the ram etc
[18:43] <IT_Sean> Hodapp: all of them.
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[18:43] <Ubermouser> thought they commissioned their own motherboards and smaller pcie peripherals
[18:43] <megaproxy> IT_Sean, yea i think im going to have to, i built all my previous PC's, i just cant be bothered any more
[18:46] <IT_Sean> I rather enjoy building PCs
[18:46] <IT_Sean> It's fun.
[18:47] <megaproxy> i hate the thermal paste part
[18:47] <megaproxy> its all squidgy
[18:47] <IT_Sean> heh
[18:47] <IT_Sean> 's not that bad
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[18:59] <lzap> hello all, I just received some amount of pis through RSonline and it "looks" they are model B rev 2.0 (ethernet led is not 10M but 100) but cpuinfo shows it is Revision 0002 and I have only 256MB of memory. can you tell me how do I recognize which revision do I have? I can only see 256 MB of memory using "free" command...
[19:00] <lzap> is there anything on the hardware itself showing the revision number?
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[19:01] <IT_Sean> iirc, there was a blog entry on The Website that would tell you what you had based on the rev number (i.e. 0002, etc...).
[19:01] <FunkyELF> IT_Sean: I do have a USB able with and end that doesn't like to stay in. I can scrap this one and use it to test the supply. I'm guessing I'll see more than 2 wires when I take it apart.... how do I tell what is the power and ground?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> I don't have it bookmarked, though, you would have to search for it.
[19:01] <IT_Sean> Look up the USB wire colors.
[19:02] <IT_Sean> It's a standard, and well documented.
[19:02] <lzap> IT_Sean, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929 - yeah I see Revision 0002 (1.0) there but the board looks like revision 2.0
[19:02] <lzap> maybe to upgrade firmware?
[19:02] <lzap> does this help?
[19:05] <IT_Sean> I'm at work, so... can't really dig into it right now, sorry lzap
[19:05] <lzap> there is some code sticker on it: E4912RS2V13B1.0
[19:05] <IT_Sean> there are photos of the various revisions somewhere... should help you at least narrow it down a bit
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[19:25] <bs123> anyone with audio crackle on analog connection?
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[19:37] <TomWij> lzap: 49 = week, 12 = year; so that's produced in December 3 - 9, 2012 http://www.epochconverter.com/date-and-time/weeknumbers-by-year.php
[19:38] * lzap is upgrading firmware - do you think new firmware will help to see 512 MB ram ?
[19:38] <TomWij> If you want to know for sure, you'll need to see if you have 2G or 4G written on the CPU, 2G is 265 MB and 4G is 512 MB
[19:39] <TomWij> (Fourth and fifth character of the serial number)
[19:40] <lzap> 4G!
[19:40] <TomWij> But in any case, RS components only delivers 512 MB after a certain date a while ago; and the date it's produced it would surely be the second.
[19:40] <TomWij> So yes, you have 512 MB. ;)
[19:40] <lzap> wow
[19:40] <lzap> OMG I just booted into the new firmware - now I see 512 MB :-)
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[19:40] <Caleb> ^5
[19:41] <lzap> uuuuuh thanks because I have 16 pieces here
[19:41] * lzap was shocked first.... :-)
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[19:43] <lzap> now I see: Revision : 000f
[19:44] <lzap> thats fairly new I guess :-D
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[19:46] * gordonDrogon waves (been away for a bit)
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> just a quick Q: The USB interface on the Pi - it's a host interface, right? (or am I going mad?)
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[19:46] <gordonDrogon> someone has contacted me writing about making a usb host interface for the Pi ...
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> and I'm thinking ... it already has a host interface...
[19:47] <lzap> btw did anyone succeeded compiling kernel with f2fs?
[19:47] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, yes
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, ok, so I'm not going mad!!! (well, not yet ;-)
[19:47] <lzap> it's fairly new in linus tree but I am looking forward to see how much faster this is..
[19:48] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, although the word "host interface" is sometimes referring to the interfacing protocol between the CPU and the USB host device
[19:48] <Amadiro> the actual physical device should be called "host device"
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[19:48] <Amadiro> whereas the "host interface" would be UHCI/EHCI/whatever
[19:49] * gordonDrogon nids.
[19:49] * gordonDrogon nods even.
[19:49] <Amadiro> (presumably, anyway, the correct term would be "usb host controller interface")
[19:49] <Amadiro> maybe he meant a USB stack
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> this: http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html is what's been pointed out to me - he's thinking of taking the C code and implmenting it on the Pi..
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[19:50] <Amadiro> v-usb is a USB stack, yeah
[19:51] <Amadiro> also, v-usb will never work on the pi
[19:51] <Amadiro> you need to be able to toggle GPIO pins reliably at like 12MHz with pretty much no room for jitter or latency
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> well there is that.
[19:51] <Amadiro> for the slowest usb mode
[19:52] <clear`> will any usb hub work with the pi?
[19:52] <IT_Sean> theoretically, yes. A powered USB hub is strongly recommended, however.
[19:52] <IT_Sean> The USB on the Pi is... ... ... well.... it's quiffy.
[19:52] <IT_Sean> *squiffy.
[19:52] <clear`> yea i was thinking that
[19:53] <clear`> so any that has its own power source
[19:53] <Hans-Martin> a non-powered hub will consume some of the already limited power available...
[19:53] <IT_Sean> Yes, you want a POWERED hub. One with a power adapter.
[19:53] <clear`> i am only using my pi as a media player, anything i can remove from the board or do to help with the limited power?
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[19:56] <Amadiro> clear`, there isn't really anything on the board
[19:56] <Amadiro> the only thing would be the smsc chip, really
[19:57] <Hans-Martin> basically, remove anything, and you have a non-working pi :-)
[19:57] <IT_Sean> clear`: no.
[19:57] <clear`> gotcha, guess if something isnt being used, it doesnt use any power
[19:57] <Amadiro> Hans-Martin, well, you could solder out the smsc chip with no ill side-effects (excluding the loss of ethernet connectivity, perhaps...)
[19:57] <IT_Sean> There are no active components you can remove, and still have a werking Pi
[19:57] <teepee> clear`: that's not true for the ethernet chip
[19:58] <Amadiro> clear`, most things take power even though they are not used, unless you put them in some sort of low-power or sleep mode; but there isn't really much on the raspberry pi board that you could control or modify in any way, so...
[19:58] <clear`> would be awesome if raspberry offered a wifi instead of rj45
[19:58] <Hans-Martin> Amadiro: theoretically, yes. Most people I know wouldn't be able to unsolder the chip without breaking everything :-)
[19:59] <teepee> clear`: not long till the A model, that's what you can use then with even lower power
[19:59] <IT_Sean> clear`: the amount of power the raspi uses is fairly small. As well, there is nothing you could remove that would resolve the issue of the power available to the USB ports.
[19:59] <Amadiro> Hans-Martin, bevel solder tip & a bit of copper braid should work fine...
[19:59] <clear`> lol breaking it while tinkering with it is all the fun
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> clear`, would not be awesome if you don't like wi-fi..
[19:59] <clear`> its only $35, wont break the bank
[19:59] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, clear`, What's the issue ? :)
[19:59] <IT_Sean> wifi is fairly aspensive, both in component cost and board space, compared with the already-built-into-the-SoC ethernet
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> no issue for me!
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> I have cat-5 everywhere :)
[20:00] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, It's the same for me :)
[20:00] <Amadiro> IT_Sean, also draws ridiculous amounts of power...
[20:00] <IT_Sean> That too
[20:00] <clear`> no issue, just chatting
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[20:01] <clear`> gordonDrogon: im in a rental house, cant run cat-5 everywhere
[20:01] <clear`> so wifi for me
[20:01] <Hans-Martin> so clear`, what USB devices are you planning to attach?
[20:01] * IT_Sean hands clear` a roll of cat-5 and 10 rolls of ducttape
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> yea, I own the house...
[20:01] <clear`> wifi, external hard drives
[20:01] <IT_Sean> for external HDs, you will NEED a powered USB hub
[20:01] <clear`> IT_Sean: lol, i also have dogs, one puppy that might think its fun to chew on that...
[20:01] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Even upstairs have an ethernet network... without any PowerLine system !
[20:01] <Amadiro> I don't own the house, but it came with cat-5 in every corner of every room anyway...
[20:01] <njbair> I'd like to see a Pi case that had a PSU built into it, and several external USB ports that were powered by the PSU instead of the Pi. As an option, it could come with a WiFi module
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> I have wifi for stuff like smart phones, wifys fonndleslab, etc.
[20:02] <clear`> my external hd is in a case with its own power supply
[20:02] <IT_Sean> njbair: you just described something called "a desktop computer"
[20:02] <Encrypt> clear`, Do you know flat wires ?
[20:02] <clear`> nope
[20:02] <Hans-Martin> clear`: the powered USB hub will most likely be worth it.
[20:02] <Encrypt> clear`, http://www.amazon.co.uk/FLAT-Cat5e-Ethernet-Patch-Cable/dp/B0017YXFHI
[20:02] <clear`> cheap wifi, http://www.amazon.com/Bl-lw05-5r-802-11n-Wireless-Adapter-Chipset/dp/B004LPY204
[20:03] <clear`> Hans-Martin: yea im going to pick up a few
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[20:03] <Hans-Martin> you will probably need one USB slot for each of wifi adaptor, bluetooth or similar for remote, external HD
[20:03] <clear`> neat, never knew about the flat wires
[20:03] <njbair> that WiFi adapter can't possibly work
[20:03] <Encrypt> clear`, It works perfectly ;)
[20:04] <clear`> njbair: really?
[20:04] <markbook> I have 3. they work fine
[20:04] <markbook> well I haven't played with long range attenuation
[20:04] <clear`> markbook: you have 3 of the one i just posted?
[20:04] <njbair> looks like the kind of thing that comes from DealXTreme
[20:04] <markbook> yep
[20:04] <clear`> nice
[20:04] <njbair> where you have to buy 5 to get one good one
[20:04] <clear`> njbair: which one do you have?
[20:04] <markbook> I gave two to my bros in law, but I teststed them first.
[20:04] <Amadiro> looks like something that would go like 10m or so
[20:04] * markbook gave Pis for Christmas! :-)
[20:05] <Encrypt> :)
[20:05] <clear`> lol
[20:05] <IT_Sean> markbook: i never received mine. When did you send 'em?
[20:05] <Amadiro> markbook, test signal quality and reject rate, if you have some time
[20:05] <njbair> clear`: Adafruit sells one for around $11 that I trust a lot more. And for $5 shipping that Amazon one isn't much cheaper
[20:06] <markbook> Of course I also burned one up playing with serial. I put the serial TTL 3.3v power line onto the 5V GPIO pin and didn't notice until it was too late :-(
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[20:06] <markbook> IT_Sean: You're not my wife's brother... and I delivered them in person. You were LATE!
[20:06] <IT_Sean> :(
[20:06] * IT_Sean wants a Pi
[20:06] <Hans-Martin> I got one for 10 EUR in a computer store around the corner - works like a charm (TP-Link TL-WN725N)
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[20:07] <markbook> so order one and wait like the rest of us...
[20:07] * IT_Sean sighs
[20:07] <markbook> or order 3 and wait..
[20:07] <IT_Sean> oooh alright...
[20:07] <clear`> njbair: http://adafruit.com/products/814
[20:07] <markbook> or order a VIA APC, they come from new egg quick
[20:07] <clear`> that one?
[20:08] <markbook> clear` I got mine from amazon but they're the same ones.
[20:08] <IT_Sean> markbook: i was looking at the VIA APC. I might get one of those instead.
[20:08] <clear`> very cool, will keep looking
[20:08] <markbook> I have one of those. A goose berry, two pogoplug4s and two dockstars
[20:09] <clear`> i need a case also
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[20:09] <markbook> the gooseberry's a waste. Getting serial on it is a pain
[20:09] <IT_Sean> markbook: you have an APC?
[20:09] <markbook> yep
[20:09] <clear`> i dont feel safe with the pi just sitting around
[20:09] <markbook> I have to get Debian on it.
[20:09] <IT_Sean> Whadda think of it?
[20:09] <markbook> I haven't really played with it much yet.
[20:09] <IT_Sean> I've been tempted to pick one up for a while.
[20:10] <markbook> though now would be a good time. My girls both got internet devices (iPod touch and a new laptop) so I expect to only see them at meals until they go to college.
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[20:10] <markbook> I'm looking at creating a sysadmin teaching lab and Pi, APC the little USB sized thing are all possibilities
[20:11] <IT_Sean> Hmm... IF i were to order now... do i buy one and pay a stupidly high shipping charge, or do i pay a tiny bit more and get two, with free shipping? :p
[20:11] <IT_Sean> 's about an $11 difference. :p
[20:13] <IT_Sean> markbook: it comes w/ everything you need to run it out of the box, includign a PSU?
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[20:15] <markbook> The APC is better that way. If you want to replace the OS you do need an SD card, but other than that its complete (no case)
[20:15] <markbook> though, I think they have someone making cases now too
[20:16] <IT_Sean> I think i might be buying one (possibly two!) tonight.
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[20:16] <markbook> part of the reason I'm considering the APC for the lab. If I want to send each student home with a working Pi I still have to provide SD card, power supply, USB cable and a case so it ends up closer to $85 than $35
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[20:17] <markbook> but the OS community for the APC is basically just one guy porting Raspbian
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[20:18] <markbook> I don't know if you can boot Arch on it or not
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[20:20] <OpenSys> ho ho ho folks
[20:20] <OpenSys> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2012/12/20/16/enhanced-buzz-16203-1356038281-3.jpg
[20:20] <ozymandias_> hahah
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[20:21] <Olipro> Linux Gentoo-RPi 3.7.1+ #6 PREEMPT Tue Dec 25 19:47:13 PST 2012 armv6l ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BCM2708 GNU/Linux
[20:21] <Olipro> bah, wrong window
[20:22] <IT_Sean> ...
[20:22] <hockey51> Gentoo work pretty well on it?
[20:23] <jelly1> it takes it's time
[20:23] <Olipro> ironic, I know
[20:23] <jelly1> :DD
[20:23] <Olipro> yeah, works well for me
[20:23] <Olipro> I cross-compile/distcc to an 8 core Intel box
[20:24] <OpenSys> i also have Slack on RPI, the sky is the limit.
[20:24] <viric> I'm also doing heavy compiles here...
[20:24] <hockey51> I just have Raspbian
[20:24] <viric> with distcc help
[20:24] <viric> but the pi is slow even preprocessing
[20:24] <viric> :)
[20:24] <Olipro> then distcc pump
[20:25] <hockey51> My uncle and aunt got me it for Christmas and the SD card was preinstalled with Raspbian
[20:25] <viric> that'd require more file matching
[20:25] <viric> I'm not sure my cross toolchain got the same libc details as the native.
[20:25] <viric> But I could try pump some day.
[20:26] <viric> Olipro: do you use the pump much?
[20:26] <ozymandias_> can anyone help diagnose an HDMI to DVI-D display problem? I bought the recommended cable, tried config_hdmi_boost, and am still getting some strange behavior on one display???. and it works fine on another...
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[20:30] <TomWij> hockey51: Yes, I have Gentoo running on my RPi.
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[20:31] <john_f> does mpd pop when running mpc next for everyone?
[20:31] <TomWij> Also using distcc to 8 core, and for situations where memory is limited or certain non-compile phases are too slow I can cross-compile too. Did that with gcc 4.7.2.
[20:31] <jelly1> lol
[20:31] <jelly1> ricer!
[20:31] <john_f> I guess it is closing alsa
[20:31] <john_f> but it is loud
[20:32] <viric> TomWij: using pump?
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[20:32] <TomWij> viric: Yes.
[20:32] <viric> mh ok
[20:33] <viric> I abandoned gentoo years ago. I've no idea how good it went into cross-building things, and multiplatform
[20:33] <TomWij> I probably going to write a script such that I can "remerge" and it automatically cross compiles, sends the binary package to the Pi, install it on the Pi; look into how feasible that is.
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[20:33] <TomWij> viric: crossdev is quite nice
[20:33] <viric> but can a cross-built package become as if it were installed normally with emerge?
[20:33] <TomWij> And yeah, ARM requires some unmasking and such, but other than that it goes well enough.
[20:34] <TomWij> viric: Yes, results in the same end result.
[20:34] <viric> hm ok
[20:34] <viric> but cross-building, configure scripts can't check everything they could check in a native build
[20:34] <viric> how is that solved?
[20:35] <TomWij> They check the cross-building root.
[20:35] <viric> hm well, I can't recall any specific example now.
[20:35] <john_f> does the alsa module have powersaving options in modinfo?
[20:36] <viric> I should try the pump.
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[20:36] <TomWij> Finished XBMC compilation yesterday, 1080p plays flawless.
[20:37] <viric> TomWij: with the omxplayer thing?
[20:37] <TomWij> Also running FTP on it so I can access my external USB drive over the network; kind of turned it into a NAS + Media Center combination for now.
[20:38] <TomWij> Yes, omxplayer but I've also compiled ALSA and PulseAudio in so I have sound in the GUI and can play music / radio there too.
[20:38] <viric> booting with systemd? :)
[20:39] <TomWij> As well as all the nice support libraries, except for some that I surely won't use anytime soon.
[20:39] <TomWij> viric: No, openrc.
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[20:39] <viric> talking about nice...
[20:39] <markedathome> TomWij: how long does xbmc take to compile? and what disk space? (if on the rpi, or are you cross-compiling?)
[20:39] <viric> TomWij: does 'nice' work for you on the pi?
[20:39] <viric> here the result is as if the process weren't "niced"
[20:40] <TomWij> viric: It should, and if it doesn't it's a matter of patching the kernel (which is also compiled); I could even add something like BFS. :D
[20:40] <viric> ah maybe BFS works better :)
[20:40] <viric> but here nice isn't respected at all
[20:40] <TomWij> Hmm, would be interesting to see how a CK kernel affects the small micro stutters that are left in high end playback.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> viric, what makes you think nice doesn't work?
[20:41] <Vazde> markedathome: make took 7 hours on class 10 card
[20:41] <viric> gordonDrogon: a gcc run at nice 19, and one at nice 0, both take the same percent of cpu
[20:41] <markedathome> so an overnight job then :-)
[20:41] <TomWij> markedathome: Quite some time, let me see my emerge log. It was shorter than 7 hours though.
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[20:41] <viric> gordonDrogon: which is, ~50%
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> viric, did you run them at the same time?
[20:41] <viric> sure
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> let me do a test.
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[20:42] <viric> Well, I mean, they appear in 'top'
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> viric, hm. you may well be right. let me dig deeper.
[20:45] <TomWij> markedathome: Touched last patch before starting compilation at Dec 26 22:19, installing libraries have date Dec 27 01:12. So, takes like 3 hours here.
[20:45] <viric> gordonDrogon: thx
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[20:45] <TomWij> markedathome: But well, I can incrementally compile now, so changing xbmc is a matter of minutes.
[20:45] <markedathome> TomWij: from a completely clean source tree, or had some parts already compiled?
[20:46] <TomWij> markedathome: That's from a completely clean source tree.
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[20:47] <markedathome> I'm trying to get some idea of compile times for various projects that I might be using in the future. That is useful, thanks
[20:48] <TomWij> markedathome: That is using distcc with -j8 jobs over the network, which are executed on my i7; I could probably bump a few jobs there (using -j32 -l8 on host) but this suffices well enough for now. (I would need to test network load and such to get a better number, and can't bump it to high for those jobs it does local).
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[20:52] <chiggins> Could someone gimme a hand figuring out the wiring for connecting a 16x2 LCD to the Pi?
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[20:53] <TomWij> viric: Main reason I went for Gentoo is because I've grown used to it and would feel limited down going for one of those distros.
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[20:54] <rikkib> What sort of interface does the LCD use?
[20:54] <markedathome> two filing system questions: anyone know if it is possible to run ZFS (for a 500GB hd) on a pi, and/or if the pi can talk to an iscsi disk or be an iscsi target
[20:54] <viric> TomWij: I understand. The same happens to me, and so I'm porting the distro I use to the Pi :)
[20:54] <viric> (additionally, someone payed me the pi for that purpose too)
[20:54] <TomWij> Also handy is that you can customize what gets compiled into a package, for instance making XBMC smaller.
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[20:55] <chiggins> rikkib: It's a HD44780 screen
[20:56] <viric> TomWij: I mainly left gentoo because of the bad handling of the customisations. That was ~2008 though.
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[20:56] <viric> But I used gentoo since 1.1
[20:56] <chiggins> I'm kinda going off of both these two example: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:26164 & http://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi/overview
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[20:56] <chiggins> Expecially this wiring https://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/b3/66/16/e1/85/IMG_20120702_004509_display_large.jpg
[20:56] <chiggins> Here's mine, which I'm not 100% sure if it's right or not http://i.imgur.com/9QhT7.jpg
[20:56] <rikkib> 8 Bit mode will eat your port resources... Go for 4 bit mode
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> chiggins, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/lcd-library/
[20:57] <rikkib> You can find examples of the HD44780 interface in the data sheet
[20:58] <chiggins> gordonDrogon: I like your drawing a lot better, easier to understand
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[20:58] <rikkib> You need 3 or 4 control lines plus the 4 data lines... Can't remember without going to the data sheet
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> chiggins, ta. there's some software there too.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, you can get away with 2 controls - wire r/w low to force the display into read (from the host) mode.
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> and that way you can run a 5V display too.
[20:59] <chiggins> To force r/w into r, you should just connect that port to the ground, right?
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[21:00] <chiggins> By looking at this, could you tell where I might've mucked up http://i.imgur.com/9QhT7.jpg
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> chiggins, looks like you have enough wires connected up - not sure what they're connected up to though...
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> do you get a backlight lit up?
[21:01] <chiggins> gordonDrogon: I followed this https://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/b3/66/16/e1/85/IMG_20120702_004509_display_large.jpg
[21:02] <chiggins> Nothing lit up for me when I plugged it in
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> and when you move the pot. do you get black blobs?
[21:02] <chiggins> Moving the pot did nothing for me
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> chiggins, the backlight ought to light up - there is no control over that.
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[21:02] <john_f> http://learn.adafruit.com/character-lcds/wiring-a-character-lcd
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> crikey! Who produces stuff like that - why not on a breadboard?
[21:03] <IT_Sean> lol
[21:03] <chiggins> Well, the end goal is something like this http://i.imgur.com/oUXFO.jpg
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> that instructibles picture wires the backlight to the 3.3v line.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> and the power to the display to the 3.3v line too. make sure you are using a 3.3v display - most are 5v.
[21:05] <pksato> all connecting pi to 16x2 lcd? http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3420/rpigpiolcd02.jpg
[21:05] <chiggins> Mine is 3.3v
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> pksato, what a mess.
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> viric, not tracked this down yet - found some intersting stuff though.
[21:06] <viric> I'd be glad to read details
[21:07] <chiggins> Is it wrong for me to have the pot wired into 15 & 16?
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> compare to: https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/lcd4_bb.png
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> you only need to wiper of the pot to go to pin 3 on the display.
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[21:08] <chiggins> which, mine does
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> the last 2 pins are the LED backlight power - which in this case is connected to the 3.3v incoming.
[21:09] <chiggins> the white one, yeah. what is the black one going to?
[21:09] <chiggins> also, sorry if I'm seeing ignorant about any of this. kinda new to electronics
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[21:11] <chiggins> oh, wait, the black from the pot is connected to ground. i see that now
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[21:13] <Grievar> where can I find a flat-flex cable that's the right kind to plug into this camera header
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, you get it with the camera...
[21:14] <Grievar> right but the camera doesn't exist yet does it o.o
[21:14] <Grievar> also I'm not going to buy an entire extra module just for the cable
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[21:15] <bearbin> Anyone want to come help out with a cool Minecraft Server that works on the Pi? Lots of devs are needed, with testers as well. http://mc-server.org
[21:15] <pksato> some cdrom drive have a similar cable, same pitch, but more wires.
[21:16] <IT_Sean> Grievar: yes it does
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[21:16] <Grievar> IT_Sean: cool where can I buy it?
[21:16] <IT_Sean> Dunno if it's for SALE yet, but, we've seen working prototypes.
[21:16] <IT_Sean> check the website.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> viric, well - I can make cpulimit work, but not nice/renice. Most odd.
[21:17] <Grievar> IT_Sean: I obviously meant "it's not for sale yet"
[21:17] <Grievar> :P
[21:17] <Grievar> <Grievar> also I'm not going to buy an entire extra module just for the cable
[21:17] <IT_Sean> sorry.
[21:17] <viric> gordonDrogon: ok
[21:17] <IT_Sean> well... what do you want the cable for, if you don't have the camera module?
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> viric, might want to test this too: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=119736
[21:18] <viric> gordonDrogon: I've never seen a system where nice doesn't work
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> viric, I think it's to do with process groups now.
[21:18] <Grievar> IT_Sean: to get access to i2c-0 mostly, but in general just to be able to connect things to that port
[21:18] <IT_Sean> i see.
[21:18] <viric> umh
[21:18] <IT_Sean> Sorry then.
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> 3137 gordon 20 0 1532 284 228 R 91.9 0.1 3:33.29 y
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> 3134 gordon 20 0 1532 284 228 T 5.9 0.1 1:36.63 y
[21:19] <viric> gordonDrogon: what is that?
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> that's after running y& then cpulimit -p3134 -l5
[21:19] <viric> ok
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> y is just a for(;;); loop program.
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[21:22] <Grievar> so I've noticed that the i2c module has no way to set the two i2c buses to different clock speeds. Is this a hardware limitation?
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> i2c is on my to-do list for the winter break - however I'm not overly fussed about what happens to the display bus...
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> midly irritated that the /dev/ entry is different from rev 1 to rev 2 boards and that the gpio pins changed.
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[21:30] <nickgaw> Hi, When I look at the raspbian installer forum post the initrd links go to some strange site where I can't find any download links for the initrd image. Is it possible to either put the initrd on the sd card and just reference it in one of the .txt files or put it on the raspbian site along with directions on how to rebuild the installer if someone should wish to do so as I can't find any directions on doing this anywhere?
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> nickgaw, areyou building a new kernel for it?
[21:31] <markedathome> I'm trying to follow the ZFS installation guide http://raspberry-python.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/zfs-file-system-on-raspberry-pi.html but when compiling it errors with fatal error: openssl/sha.h
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> markedathome, haha... lol, etc. not heard anything so funny for a long time. zfs onna pi! Hohoho!
[21:31] <markedathome> openssl is installed, so what is the error?? should there be something else in my build environment?
[21:32] <nickgaw> I am trying to enable network console on the installer so I can do a raspbian installation with ssh access.
[21:32] <markedathome> gordonDrogon: i wanted a laugh :-)
[21:32] <MoleMan> would it be possible to use dd or something to re-image a SD card from a raspberry pi? the image can be read from at external hard drive if necessary
[21:32] <rikkib> apt-get install openssl-dev maybe
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> nickgaw, so building your own raspbian image from scratch - can't you just boot a normal one then?
[21:33] <markedathome> the only problem would be trying to run dedupe and encryption on it
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[21:33] <markedathome> Unable to locate package openssl-dev
[21:33] <TomWij> ZFS is definitely possible as long as you don't go for futures that use too much memory.
[21:33] <TomWij> features*
[21:33] <nickgaw> yes but all of the images have X windows installed but don't start it on boot and all of the minimal images just were the full raspbian images with X windows stripped out not where it was never installed in the first place.
[21:33] <ohhmaar> So i found a alternative plan to connecting a external hard drive to the raspi.. two usb to wall adapters
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> nickgaw, x doesn't normally start on boot.
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> you need to startx it.
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[21:35] <nickgaw> no I want an image with no X windows installed at all.
[21:35] <TomWij> Just use an xdm init script if you want it to automatically start.
[21:35] <Grievar> so remove it?
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[21:35] <gordonDrogon> nickgaw, might be easier to just apt-purge it after you get it running.
[21:35] <nickgaw> not one where it was first installed then stripped out.
[21:35] <Grievar> nickgaw: er, what's the difference? o.o
[21:35] <Grievar> nickgaw: what evidence remains that X was ever installed
[21:35] <MoleMan> would it be possible to use dd or something to re-image a SD card from a raspberry pi? the image can be read from at external hard drive if necessary
[21:35] <Grievar> (ps: it's not called "X windows")
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> that's how I built my boot basic image... just took a few minutes of stripping everything out, etc.
[21:36] <Encrypt> MoleMan, What do you mean ?
[21:36] <nickgaw> icons and other items remain that I can't locate everything to remove it all. I am looking for an image with everything that is in the normal raspbian images just with no X windows.
[21:36] <Encrypt> MoleMan, Whenever a problem would occur, thus destroying your system ?
[21:36] <Grievar> nickgaw: hmm, like what icons?
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> nickgaw, you'll sped more time doing it that way than stripping everything else out...
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> nickgaw, you could use dselect (old way, but I like it) or aptitude to see what packages are installed, then purge them.
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[21:37] <Grievar> nickgaw: some packages will install their icons even if X was never installed
[21:37] <nickgaw> I found icons under /usr in lots of directories as well as other things that I don't need even after stripping stuff out other stuff remains. Is there no way to do what I am trying to do with the raspbian installer?
[21:38] <TomWij> nickgaw: Unless the image was made by handy, all those would be tracked and it would be sufficient to just unmerge/purge/... the packages.
[21:38] <MoleMan> Encrypt: i mean the laptop i currently have access to wont recognise the sd card, but i want to re-image it... so i want to know whether it would be possible to boot raspbian which it currently has, then use dd to overwrite tge sd card
[21:38] <Grievar> nickgaw: are you really that low on space?
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> MoleMan, not recommended at all.
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[21:39] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon gave a good answer...
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[21:39] <MoleMan> hmmm
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[21:39] <nickgaw> no just want to speed things up more plus I am totally blind and X windows on the raspberrypi is not accessible as I can't get audio working so mainly use the raspberrypi over ssh with my existing debian system
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> MoleMan, the block cache in Linux will overwrite stuff as it sees fit, thinking there is still a valid filesystem underneath. At some point, a file may be read that's been overwritten and things will generally "suck"...
[21:40] <TomWij> nickgaw: So, you'll either strip everything or rebuilt it the way they did, there's no silver bullet.
[21:40] <Grievar> nickgaw: removing icons won't speed things up much
[21:40] <chiggins> gordonDrogon: What would the minimum needed be for just the blacklight to turn on?
[21:40] <chiggins> Just so I can see that my LCD isn't faulty
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> chiggins, the last 2 pins IIRC.
[21:40] <MoleMan> fine, any solutions to mysql server installation being broken to the extent that even trying to atp-get purge it, launches the config, and doesnt purge it at all?
[21:41] <nickgaw> that is why I wish to rebuild the raspbian installer to have either a network console or a complete automatic installation that installs a standard raspbian system when the files are booted.
[21:41] <TomWij> nickgaw: If you want to speed things up more, get Gentoo like I do and spent some time on it. Speed doesn't come from doing nothing...
[21:41] <Grievar> gordonDrogon: er, he could boot to a USB stick and then reimage the sd card from there
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[21:41] <TomWij> s/spent/spend/
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> Grievar, yes - that's a possibility... thought he wanted to image the live SD card though :)
[21:42] <artag> only get one try though - if it goes wrong he can't rewrite the card
[21:43] <MoleMan> i didnt think it was possible to get the RPi to boot from usb, but if thats possible that could work?
[21:43] <Grievar> MoleMan: it needs the SD card initially but you can move completely over to the USB after that, I think
[21:43] <artag> i don't think it will boot from usb, but it should be possible to get it to mount usb as the root fs
[21:43] <chiggins> gordonDrogon: the ground and 3.3v in pins, yeah?
[21:44] <Grievar> it should theoretically be possible to just boot to a ramdisk
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> chiggins, yes.
[21:44] <Grievar> and cut the USB stick out entirely
[21:44] <Grievar> but then your SD card image would have to fit in said ramdisk before you can dd it down
[21:44] <chiggins> Well wtf. With my wiring, and those plugged in, damn thing won't light
[21:44] <MoleMan> hmm, well a solution to mysql being royally screwed would be preferable, but i'd basically given up on that
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> MoleMan, even apt-get purge mysql isn't helping?
[21:45] <MoleMan> gordon see above, i try to purge, it runs the config wizard!
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> so... go through the wizard, then what?
[21:46] <MoleMan> then its still installed, and still won't start...
[21:46] <MoleMan> try remove purge or install, the same thing happens...
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[21:47] <gordonDrogon> dpkg -P mysql ?
[21:47] <nickgaw> has anyone ever used the raspbian installer and how long does it take for a minimal install if I want to do one?
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[21:49] <frikinz> MoleMan: you can always hack up pre/post inst/rm scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql* although its quite surprising to have to do this
[21:50] <l0rd_hex> hey everyone, I want to transcode some movies to play via omxplayer - is there a preferred audio codec? I have the video as h.264 in a mkv container
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[21:51] <linuxstb> l0rd_hex: What format is the original audio? You could probably just leave it as it is.
[21:51] <TomWij> l0rd_hex: The preferred audio codec would be the codec for which you have passthrough support on your receiver.
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[21:51] <l0rd_hex> so the Pi is directly connected (via HDMI) to my tele
[21:51] <l0rd_hex> linuxstb: the original is ac3 5.1
[21:51] <TomWij> Since that leverages CPU load and thus would result in more fluent playback (assuming it would hit 100% CPU otherwise, which is not always the case).
[21:51] <l0rd_hex> but I've heard it causes issues
[21:52] <nickgaw> if I just wanted to buy a HDMI TV for the raspberrypi audio and video what is the cheapest one that exists?
[21:53] <TAFB_ssd> where you live nickgaw
[21:53] <TAFB_ssd> ?
[21:53] <nickgaw> USA
[21:53] <linuxstb> l0rd_hex: If I was you, I would do a test just leaving the audio as it is. Or if you just need stereo for your TV's speakers, then convert to anything (e.g. AAC @ approx 128kbps)
[21:54] <l0rd_hex> linuxstb: okay, thanks - yeah I'll give that a shot I was just checking to see if there was consensus on audio codecs
[21:54] <TAFB_ssd> nickgaw: how big were you thinkin?
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[21:54] <nickgaw> not very large
[21:54] <TAFB_ssd> like 32" and under, or really small?
[21:55] <nickgaw> well what is the smallest one you have heard of?
[21:55] <TomWij> l0rd_hex: 1) First try, downmixing exists for a reason and who knows you can just passthrough, maybe it doesn't hit the CPU much. 2) If you need to convert, aim for that passthrough. 3) 128kbps is bad quality, aim for something higher, 160kbps at least and 192kbps if you want audio to be quite perfect
[21:57] <frikinz> anyone with raspbian knows how eth0 is brought up? It is not mentioned as "auto" in my interfaces file yet it is correctly started and configured on boot.
[21:57] <Encrypt> frikinz, /etc/network/interfaces ?
[21:58] <TAFB_ssd> nickgaw: A quick search on ebay shows this 24" tv to be the cheapest 1080p LED LCD screen: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Westinghouse-LD-2480-24-1080p-HD-LED-LCD-Television-HDTV-/271059710980?pt=Televisions&hash=item3f1c6af404
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[21:59] <l0rd_hex> TomWij: great, thanks
[21:59] <nickgaw> I will have a look at that one.
[22:00] <TAFB_ssd> nickgaw: good stuff. I searched both computer monitors and TV's, including shipping, that one was the best deal that showed up.
[22:00] <frikinz> Encrypt: is your eth0 mentionned as auto in this file? I think I have the default interfaces file and it is not set as auto.
[22:00] * frikinz suspects ifplugd to bring up eth0
[22:00] <Encrypt> Well...
[22:00] <Encrypt> I set a static IP :?
[22:00] <Encrypt> Since my Pi is used as a web server...
[22:00] <frikinz> Encrypt: that's different things auto and dhcp/static
[22:01] <frikinz> Encrypt: can you check if a line auto eth0 is there?
[22:01] <Encrypt> Yes, I had forgotten...
[22:01] <Encrypt> I have
[22:02] <Encrypt> auto lo
[22:02] <Encrypt> Auto eth0
[22:02] <Encrypt> auto eth0*
[22:02] <hockey51> I feel so unoriginal with the Pi
[22:02] <IT_Sean> ?
[22:02] <nickgaw> what is the proper way in raspbian to configure wireless if I buy one of the supported wireless usb adapters that is natively supported so it starts on boot and connects as early as possible?
[22:03] <TomWij> Define proper?
[22:03] <Encrypt> nickgaw, Can'"t you connect it with an ethernet wire ?
[22:03] <frikinz> Encrypt: thanks. I don't have this and eth0 is started anyway. so I guess its ifplugd (media link detection) which starts eth0. script is a bit hard to read
[22:03] <TomWij> I would call "wpa_supplicant using nl80211" proper, but YMMV. ;D
[22:03] <nickgaw> well like when the normal lan network comes up either before or after that.
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[22:04] <linuxstb> TomWij: Saying 128kbps is bad quality is a bit of a generalisation. I would bet that most people would struggle to hear a difference between a well-encoded (or even poorly encoded) 128kbps (ABR) AAC audio stream and something higher, especially using their TV's speakers (which IIUC is what l0rd_hex will be doing).
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[22:06] <TAFB_ssd> a cool song, recorded from the start in "hd" :) http://ecuflashking.com/music/Jack%20Johnson%20-%20Sleep%20Through%20The%20Static/10%20-%20Go%20On.flac
[22:07] <TomWij> linuxstb: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/06/concluding-the-great-mp3-bitrate-experiment.html
[22:07] <frikinz> mhh ifplugd searches for any wlan* or eth* in /sys/class/net and brings it up. good to know
[22:07] <TomWij> Yes, you would struggle, been there done that.
[22:07] <MoleMan> gordonDrogon: thanks, dpkg-P worked
[22:07] <hockey51> My Pi froze on the reboot
[22:08] <ohhmaar> is arch linux more stable than raspbian?
[22:08] <linuxstb> TomWij: I'm talking AAC, not MP3.
[22:08] <TomWij> <128 is horrible, 128 is bad, 160 is average, 192 is good, >192 is too much
[22:08] <MoleMan> right, are there any known issues installing the mysql package on raspbian
[22:09] <TomWij> linuxstb: Well, AAC is slightly higher compressed, doesn't make too much of a difference though.
[22:09] <linuxstb> TomWij: Also, that test just seems to include 128kbps CBR, not VBR.
[22:09] <frikinz> MoleMan: I don't think such packages are modified by raspbian team so you could check directly bugs.debian.org
[22:09] <TAFB_ssd> TomWij: in my car, as well as on the rest of my audio equipment, I can tell you what bitrate the MP3 is, 192 or 256, and if lots of cymbals then even between 256 and 320 ;)
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[22:10] <TomWij> linuxstb: Also, your sentence didn't mention that either, so CBR was to be assumed. ;)
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[22:10] <hockey51> Entering kdb (current=0xcb846c80, pid 1) due to keyboard entry
[22:11] <ohhmaar> Is there a specific version of arch linux for model B?
[22:11] <TAFB_ssd> I heart arch linux!
[22:11] <TomWij> I heart Gentoo Linux! :P
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[22:12] <TAFB_ssd> arch linux status page spam: http://tafb.yi.org
[22:12] <ohhmaar> TAFB_ssd: You use it? Like it? Stable?
[22:12] <TomWij> ohhmaar: Uhm, just start an installation like normal?
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[22:12] <ohhmaar> TomWij: I know its the same installation process but i thought there's a version 2.0 for the model B raspi
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[22:13] <TAFB_ssd> ohhmaar: I don't run it on my Pi, I was running wheezy, but I run it on something similar to the Pi, and it's super fast, efficent and works 100% flawless.
[22:13] <hockey51> Anyone know what to do?
[22:13] <ohhmaar> ok i'll try it out then.. didn't like wheezy
[22:13] <TomWij> ohhmaar: Why would there be one? RPi had a memory upgrade yes, bumping its revision; I don't see how that would affect your distro...
[22:13] <TAFB_ssd> ohhmaar: what you gonna use it for? something server ish? web/email??
[22:14] <ohhmaar> TAFB_ssd: personal file server
[22:14] <ohhmaar> TomWij: It doesn't hurt to ask!
[22:14] <TAFB_ssd> ohhmaar: I tried that with the Pi :(
[22:14] <nickgaw> what device do you run on that is faster then the raspberrypi?
[22:14] <TomWij> ohhmaar: It doesn't hurt to make you think.... ;)
[22:14] <TAFB_ssd> nickgaw: did you look at the status page :)
[22:14] <ohhmaar> TomWij: touche.
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[22:15] <TAFB_ssd> ohhmaar: the I/O performance on the Pi blows. The ethernet card shares with the USB and all of it eats CPU if you work it hard. You'll be lucky to get 3MB/sec as a file serve r:(
[22:15] <nickgaw> the one you posted for arch?
[22:16] <TAFB_ssd> ohhmaar: If you want to run a REAL fileserver with SMOKIN speeds (100MB/sec +++ read speeds all day over network, GIGABIT NETWORK!) find a Seagate GoFlex Home docking station :)
[22:16] <TAFB_ssd> runs arch linux LIKE A CHAMP!
[22:16] <ohhmaar> TAFB_ssd: What should I use it for then?
[22:16] <TAFB_ssd> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-NAS-Network-Attached-Storage-System-Gigabit-Ethernet-and-Print-Server-/190774432936?pt=US_Home_Network_Storage_NAS_&hash=item2c6b0ad4a8
[22:16] <TomWij> TAFB_ssd: Gentoo runs it like a champ too...
[22:16] <TAFB_ssd> ohhmaar: The Pi? use it for playing with GPIO, connect some LCD screen, stream 1080p media to your TV, etc.
[22:17] <TAFB_ssd> but a network fileserver, it is not. You'll be very disappointed.
[22:18] <TomWij> TAFB_ssd: I use it as a personal fileserver, for when I need to copy something to/from it; if I need to larger amounts of data I'll just attach the eSATA port, but for smaller amounts it really helps to be able to access it any time. And it didn't cost much... :D
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[22:18] <TAFB_ssd> ohhmaar: I bought a few of these $99 3TB external drives, that came with the GoFlex Home base for free! I didn't use the base because I hooked up the drives by esata (you can put them inside your case too and hook them up by regular sata). http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive_L.jpg
[22:18] <TomWij> And yeah <3 1080p playback.
[22:19] <hockey51> PANIC: UFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)
[22:19] <ohhmaar> TomWij: What do you run on it? Wheezy? Arch?
[22:19] <TomWij> Sounds like either a broken kernel or a broken file system.
[22:19] <TomWij> ohhmaar: Gentoo Linux
[22:19] <TAFB_ssd> Gentoo, lol :)
[22:19] <ohhmaar> TomWij: Samba?
[22:20] <hockey51> So how should I repair it?
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[22:20] <frikinz> hockey51: what is in your cmdline.txt ?
[22:21] <hockey51> Let me go get the SD Card
[22:21] <TomWij> ohhmaar: It can access Samba shares, but since I run Linux on my host as well I don't really need it; just built it into XBMC for when someone here needs to playback from their Windows.
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[22:22] <TomWij> For sending over files I just use good old FTP, probably should look into using shares so it's a bit more native than using a FTP client; but there's a start to everything.
[22:22] <hockey51> It's not letting me to that part
[22:23] <ohhmaar> So connecting from a mac to the pi I should go with samba?
[22:23] <viric> TomWij: what has that gentoo special, that makes it play 1080p so special? I mean, don't other distros do that?
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[22:23] <TomWij> ohhmaar: Whatever format is the best supported by both...
[22:23] <Encrypt> ohhmaar, You can also make a dual-boot Linux / Mac... :?
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[22:24] <hockey51> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqelpmmvijn0e66/SD%20Card.png frikinz
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[22:24] <hockey51> It's a 4 GB SD card
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[22:25] <TomWij> viric: They do, but I can make the kernel more real time (-ck), apply real time patches, add in optimization flags and so on which standard images don't have; also make things more minimal to be customized to what I need which definitely comes in handy when you're limited by the size of the SD card.
[22:25] <viric> TomWij: realtime patches like what?
[22:25] <hockey51> Doesn't let me mount the other partition
[22:26] <hockey51> Err, filesystem
[22:26] <frikinz> hockey51: Mmh yes 179,2 is mmcblk0p2 so this partition could have a problem..
[22:27] <hockey51> Know how to fix it?
[22:27] <frikinz> hockey51: did it ever work?
[22:27] <hockey51> Yes
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[22:27] <ohhmaar> so sd cards for the pi should best be formated to fat32?
[22:27] <TomWij> viric: -ck kernel patches, -rt kernel patches, BFS, user space optimizations (some of which covered by https://github.com/raboof/realtimeconfigquickscan), ...
[22:27] <Encrypt> Did you make a backup of your system ?
[22:28] <viric> ok
[22:28] <viric> quite enough.
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[22:28] <TomWij> Even things like CFQ I/O, although I don't know how well that applies to the Raspberry Pi; it's all worth checking out.
[22:29] <frikinz> hockey51: can you do a file -s /dev/mmcblk0p2 ? whatever its called
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[22:30] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, uh, no, don't format them at all.
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[22:30] <hockey51> /dev/mmcblk0p2: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/mmcblk0p2' (No such file or directory)
[22:30] <TomWij> Encrypt: I'm going to make one now, finished the largest share of what I want to use it for in the start yesterday.
[22:30] <Amadiro> Just put the image on there, and the installer of raspbian (or whatever) will auto-expand it
[22:30] <frikinz> hockey51: the "2nd partition" that you can't mount
[22:30] <Amadiro> Likely with ext3/ext4 or somesuch
[22:30] <Encrypt> TomWij, :)
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[22:31] <hockey51> I can see it in Disk utility
[22:32] <hockey51> I can't mount it though
[22:32] <ohhmaar> Amadiro: But i'm trying to wipe wheezy from it..
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[22:32] <frikinz> I'm trying to do a frontend to madplay and this is such a pain as it really wants to access /dev/tty and not anything else. but that's not worse as mpg321
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[22:32] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, for what purpose
[22:33] <ohhmaar> Amadiro: to put arch
[22:33] <hockey51> So I can't mount it or do anything with it?
[22:33] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, then just copy the arch image onto the sd card.
[22:33] <linuxstb> frikinz: What about mpg123?
[22:34] <ohhmaar> Amadiro: right, but i should wipe it clean first.
[22:34] <TomWij> Encrypt: This is actually a good moment to do the backup, so I can run baobab on my host and look what's consuming a lot of space and trim down what I don't need.
[22:34] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, no.
[22:34] <frikinz> linuxstb: worst of all. as mpg321 it's easy to make it segfault. remote mode hangs, etc... code is a box of noodle (gotos everywhere)
[22:34] <Amadiro> and putting fat32 on it certainly doesn't "wipe it clean"
[22:34] <ohhmaar> Fine i'll just erase the contents of it
[22:35] <Amadiro> if you want to be sure all data is destroyed, you'll have to overwrite it with random zero/one bitpatterns
[22:35] <hockey51> frikinz, should I just attempt to format it. and if so, how should I format it?
[22:36] <frikinz> hockey51: as you did the first time for example. the first partition contains no user data anyway
[22:36] <frikinz> hockey51: how did it happen?
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[22:36] <hockey51> Idk
[22:36] <frikinz> maybe the sd is corrupted
[22:37] <hockey51> I was watching a movie. When the movie ended, I closed omxplayer. I tried opening the File Manager to pick a new movie and it wouldn't respond
[22:37] <hockey51> I store everything on my external drive
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[22:37] <Amadiro> hockey51, so what does `dmesg` say?
[22:38] <ebswift> hey all, i have uwsgi running automatically during startup so i don't get login prompt, is there some key combo to bypass startup stuff to get to login?
[22:38] <hockey51> The whole thing or just where the error is?
[22:38] <hockey51> Entering kdb (current=0xcb846c80, pid 1) due to keyboard entry
[22:39] <frikinz> hockey51: on the pc when you try to mount it
[22:39] <Amadiro> hockey51, there should be an error message before that
[22:40] <hockey51> PANIC: UFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(179,2)
[22:40] <hockey51> That's where the filesystem error is
[22:40] <Encrypt> hockey51, You should also have done a backup of your system...
[22:41] <hockey51> I just got it the other day. Hadn't thought of it yet
[22:42] <MoleMan> can anyone help / provide any insight into these MySQL installation errors on RaspBMC? http://pastebin.com/vcCNa8KD
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[22:44] <ebswift> maybe a rewording of my question... is there a way to get some kind of maintenance mode to run fsck (which I think I need to run)?
[22:45] <hockey51> Weird. Now the cmdline.txt is showing
[22:46] <hockey51> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[22:46] <frikinz> ebswift: touch /forcefsck on debian at least (not sure for others)
[22:46] <hockey51> Earlier when I opened, nothing would show
[22:47] <ebswift> frikinz: the trick is getting to a point where i can run the command - if i keep spamming ctrl-c i get the # prompt but the root account is locked and i'm kind of stuck around that point
[22:48] <ebswift> i was using putty but i'm not getting ip to putty on...
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[22:51] <hockey51> Amadiro, I went back and I can't use my keyboard to scroll up when I try booting
[22:51] <ohhmaar> So the pi booted up arch linux but got stuck on the Reached target Graphical Interface line..
[22:53] <hockey51> Should I just use my other SD card and download Raspbian online?
[22:53] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, try alt+F2/F3/...
[22:54] <viric> TomWij: do you have a portage tree for what you run?
[22:54] <ohhmaar> Amadiro: all I had to do was hit enter and it allowed me to log in
[22:54] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, ah, yes, that happens.
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[22:55] <ohhmaar> Didn't know arch wasn't a gui.
[22:55] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, arch is mainly a "bake it yourself" distribution
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[22:55] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, you have to format your disk yourself et cetera
[22:56] <ebswift> is there a way of bypassing something that was added into /etc/modules so i can stop it running during startup?
[22:56] <Amadiro> ohhmaar, note also that arch for the rpi is not hardfloat but softfloat, so it might be a good deal slower than raspbian.
[22:56] <ohhmaar> Amadiro: I'm fine with just terminal though
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[22:57] <Amadiro> well, you can install any GUI at any time you want to
[22:57] <Amadiro> gnome/kde/xfce/lxde/... (the former two are probably not very recommendable on the rpi)
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[23:00] <dr_willis> even light window managers like jwm are sluggish i find.
[23:00] <dr_willis> I tend to go Console-Commando on my Pi.
[23:00] <Amadiro> dr_willis, probably because there is no hardware acceleration for anything X11-related yet
[23:01] <dr_willis> Id hate to see how much slower softfloat would be.
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[23:06] <ohhmaar> Amadire: The latest version of this image uses the hard-float ABI, and boots to a command prompt in around ten seconds.
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[23:07] <Amadiro> thats good
[23:08] <ohhmaar> So how do I go about installing the GUI?
[23:08] <mhoney> login and type startx
[23:08] <Amadiro> you will need to follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide
[23:08] <Amadiro> some of the steps will probably be done for you already
[23:08] <Amadiro> (check with archlinuxarm.org)
[23:08] <TomWij> viric: Yes, in squashfs.
[23:09] <Amadiro> you will likely still have to partition the sdcard, set up locales, system configuration files, choose mirrors, etc
[23:09] <viric> TomWij: I mean if I can see your portage
[23:09] <mhoney> better to just get raspbian ;)
[23:09] <TomWij> When it ever gets out of date I just send over a new squashfs image.
[23:09] <viric> (I can't find my question in the backlog)
[23:09] <TomWij> viric: Not sure what you mean... Local overlay?
[23:09] <viric> TomWij: yes, do you have any?
[23:10] <Amadiro> if you consider "you won't learn anything" better :)
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[23:10] <TomWij> Yes, local, but nothing online. I do have a general overlay, but I do not intend to put RPI packages on it.
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[23:10] <viric> ok
[23:14] <TomWij> viric: I might contribute to better support for Raspberry Pi in Portage itself over time, though.
[23:14] <TomWij> And more important than that, documentation and wiki can help a lot.
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[23:15] <TomWij> Whether or not you run your own distro, people will end up with the need to do some things their distro doesn't provide out of the box.
[23:16] <viric> TomWij: sure.
[23:16] <xaxisofevil> hi, i'm hoping i can get some help- i set up my raspi with an external drive, configured the samba server the way the various tutorials say to
[23:16] <TomWij> Like above exmaples... Get rid of X, getting your WiFi to work, ...
[23:16] <xaxisofevil> and it shows up in my windows pc network list
[23:16] <xaxisofevil> but i cant get past the credentials window
[23:16] <viric> I'm trying the pump mode
[23:17] <xaxisofevil> is there some other way to do it rather than using rapberrypi\pi and the pi password?
[23:18] <TomWij> xaxisofevil: What kind of other way? That's the standard way to login.
[23:18] <pksato> xaxisofevil: create a samba user (smbpasswd -a pi)?
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[23:19] <pksato> or, configured samba to accept guest connection?
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[23:20] <TomWij> It's either DOMAIN\name or COMPUTER\name because if you drop that it will often assume the accounts on the local computer and not those on the remote server; in order for the account on the local computer to work you would need to add it to the remote server.
[23:20] <xaxisofevil> i see.. so what i'm using oughta work afaik
[23:21] <xaxisofevil> the new samba user didnt work either
[23:21] <TomWij> (And those dialogs are made to remember at least the {COMPUTER,DOMAIN}\name part, so there's not really a need to drop it)
[23:21] <xaxisofevil> http://simonthepiman.com/how_to_setup_windows_file_server.php is the tutorial i followed
[23:22] <TomWij> xaxisofevil: Is there any log information captured on the server? You could look there to see whether it reveals something.
[23:22] <pksato> windows vista, and windows seven and 8, if not changed, need to drop secury level to access samba.
[23:22] <xaxisofevil> drop security level?
[23:22] <xaxisofevil> i'm on 8
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[23:24] <xaxisofevil> TomWij: i dont see anything in dmesg about it
[23:25] <pksato> samba logs go to /var/log/samba/
[23:27] <pksato> samba user have access righ to shared files
[23:29] <xaxisofevil> "Cant become connected user!" is the last message from the log.raspberrypi file
[23:29] <TomWij> xaxisofevil: dmesg are kernel debug messages, you won't see anything there.
[23:29] <TomWij> xaxisofevil: And that message you just found is certainly one that should help you, unless someone here knows how to deal with it you could throw that into Google.
[23:30] <TomWij> And last, yes, there's a security level thing; although I think that's for the serving Windows (to specify which kind of clients can connect), not for the clients so it feels irrelevant.
[23:31] <xaxisofevil> i see
[23:32] <atouk> dont forget to restart samba after making changes to the config
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[23:34] <xaxisofevil> ok thanks for the help
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[23:35] <xbmchub> hello
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[23:38] <viric> meh. this pump doesn't work for me
[23:38] <viric> (distcc's)
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[23:39] <TomWij> viric: Which part of it?
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[23:40] <TomWij> Does a normal distcc work? Did you configure the hosts using pump syntax? Have you tried to compile something different over pump, perhaps something simple?
[23:40] <viric> it fallbacks to preprocessing locally
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[23:40] <viric> I used "myhost:port,cpp,lzo"
[23:40] <viric> in DISTCC_HOSTS
[23:40] <viric> does it sound fine?
[23:40] <TomWij> Yeah, should suffice.
[23:40] <viric> It gives up after 3,5 seconds of something
[23:41] <TomWij> But well, it depends from package to package whether it works; doesn't work everywhere.
[23:41] <viric> But I've a verbose server, and it doesn't report any contact
[23:41] <TomWij> Hmm, that's less good.
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[23:41] <TomWij> Normally you can also get the client to say what the server returned.
[23:41] <TobiasTheViking> wait, you have to add commands to the hosts lines?
[23:42] <viric> let me try agian
[23:42] <viric> again
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[23:42] <viric> I find this pump barely documented :)
[23:43] <TomWij> TobiasTheViking: For pump mode, yes; mine has IP.IP.IP.IP/8,cpp,lzo for instance.
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[23:43] <TobiasTheViking> mine is just "localhost"
[23:44] <TobiasTheViking> i have nothing regards "pump mode" on the host..
[23:44] <TomWij> (The / is not a typo, I don't use a port and that /8 specifies to sent at most 8 jobs because the default is lower than that and this overrides that)
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[23:44] <TobiasTheViking> thinking, i want it to do something first
[23:44] <TomWij> TobiasTheViking: Err... To use distcc you'll need to specify the hosts your client will use in /etc/distcc/hosts file.
[23:45] <TomWij> It won't magically find the hosts on your network.
[23:45] <viric> so
[23:45] <viric> hm
[23:45] <TomWij> And to use pump you need to add the "cpp,lzo" suffix to it.
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[23:45] <viric> do I have to replace CC for "distcc gcc"?
[23:45] <TobiasTheViking> grr, i fucked up the configure again. Which normally doesn't matter. but soo slow
[23:46] <TomWij> viric: Just "distcc"
[23:46] <TAFB_ssd> TobiasTheViking: watch the language
[23:46] <viric> TomWij: so I've to configure with CC=distcc ?
[23:46] <TobiasTheViking> TomWij: doing port forward
[23:46] <TobiasTheViking> TAFB_ssd: sorry, will do
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[23:46] <TAFB_ssd> np
[23:46] <viric> (in an autotools kind of build)
[23:46] <TobiasTheViking> i've seen guides say stuff like: CC="distcc arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.6"
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[23:47] <TomWij> viric: That's one approach to it, the other approach is to add a distcc dir in front of your path and in that folder create symlinks for the compiler names to distcc
[23:47] <viric> TomWij: I've used the PATH approach usually. But if I use pump, it ignores that.
[23:47] <viric> with the PATH approach, local preprocessing works fine
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[23:48] <TomWij> For instance, in /usr/lib/distcc/bin I have: armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-c++ armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc c++ cc g++ gcc
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[23:49] <TobiasTheViking> TomWij: on both host and client?
[23:49] <TomWij> (Seems I forgot the "-cc" one for the full name, although that one is barely used)
[23:49] <TomWij> TobiasTheViking: Just the client, the goal of this folder is to catch all calls to the compiler and execute distcc instead.
[23:50] <TomWij> Then distcc sends the compiler job to the server which will automatically use the right cross compiler.
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[23:50] <TobiasTheViking> awesome. thanks :D
[23:50] <TobiasTheViking> i didn't think that was obvious from what i had read
[23:51] <TomWij> The shorter ones are actually symlinks to a wrapper script which turns them into the longer versions.
[23:51] <TomWij> exec /usr/lib/distcc/bin/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-g${0:$[-2]} "$@"
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[23:53] <viric> TomWij: so you had no troubles with pump?
[23:53] <TomWij> So if it calls like "g++ ..." it finds that at "/usr/lib/distcc/bin/g++ ..." and that's a symlink to my wrapper script so it calls my wrapper script, then the wrapper script executes "/usr/lib/distcc/bin/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ ..." which finally ends up calling "distcc ..." because that was a symlink. And distcc will use the symlink name to figure out what to use on the server, you want it to
[23:53] <TomWij> tell the server to use the full armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ and not g++; hence the wrapper script.
[23:54] <TomWij> viric: It doesn't work in every occasion, but I've seen it work.
[23:54] <viric> I'm trying to build gzip with pump.
[23:54] <TomWij> Depends from package to package, and I guess you can improve it by strapping your cross-compiler root on your host with the libraries you use on the client or so.
[23:54] <chithead> that is wrong, some software needs explicit access to HOSTCC
[23:55] <chithead> e.g. when it compiles helper apps which need to run on the build host
[23:55] <viric> chithead: it's not about crosscompiling
[23:55] <TomWij> Honestly, it would help to inspect what the server returns and solve that.
[23:56] <TomWij> chithead: Which part is wrong and do you have an example? Tips to improve my use cross-compiling / distcc are welcome... :)
[23:56] <TomWij> my use of*
[23:56] <viric> ok! now it works. It runs very fast
[23:56] <TomWij> Also nice to see you here.
[23:57] <TomWij> viric: So, which part did you need to fix?
[23:57] <viric> damn it. It builds for i386 :)
[23:57] <TomWij> viric: That's where the wrapper script comes in.
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[23:58] <viric> ah, it calls /usr/bin/ld. grrr
[23:58] <viric> this 'pump' doesn't respect PATH at all
[23:59] <chithead> HOSTCC should always point to a c compiler which can create executables that run on the local system. it defaults to CC

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