#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-12-30

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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, lookup fail2ban if you're going to watch tcpdump all day (ie. lifes too short)
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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> gluxon, it depends what you're backfeeding - is this a USB hub by any chance?
[0:04] <gluxon> Yeah.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> it's bad unless the hub is powering the Pi.
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> So I use a hub to power a Pi - so the Pi effectively gets power 2 ways - because the hub is wrongly feeding power down the uplink line.
[0:05] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: backfeeding USB hubs are PITA
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, they're just wrong, but they're out there because we have lazy manufacturers...
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[0:06] <Phrewfuf> i can't connect the PSU of my USB hub at home, because when i do, i can't turn my PC back on
[0:06] <Phrewfuf> it just sits there, rotates the CPU fan slowly and thats it
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> I'd open the hub and snip the 5v line going to the uplink cable.
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[0:07] <Phrewfuf> why didn't i come up with this genius idea yet? :D
[0:07] <Phrewfuf> though then i will have to use it with the PSU
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> wy don't the chinese do it - it'd save then one wire per hub, and when you make a million, that would add up...
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, this is true... it'll always need power.
[0:08] <Phrewfuf> right now i'm hubbing keyboard, mouse, xbox360 controller, audio card (creative SB live 24bit)
[0:08] <Phrewfuf> and there is no PSU attached to the hub
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[0:09] <Phrewfuf> though still wondering where the whole power comes from :D
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[0:09] <plugwash> Doing USB hubs properly costs money, much cheaper to just hook all the 5V pins together...
[0:10] <Phrewfuf> yeah, just make a double sided pcb, top layer gets a GND plane, bottom layer a VCC plane
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[0:11] <Phrewfuf> done :D
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[0:13] <gordonDrogon> your PC has no limiters on USB power :)
[0:13] <Phrewfuf> it doesnt?
[0:13] <Phrewfuf> you mean...the only limit is the trace connecting the port to the USB-controller? :D
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[0:16] <gordonDrogon> yea, when that burns out, you're drawing too much :)
[0:16] <SpeedEvil> it should have a 2a polyfuse or similar
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> I have a usb mouse connected to my PC.
[0:16] <SpeedEvil> if it complies to the spec
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> and thats all the usb toys. I charge my phone & upload my camera, but nothing else..
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. maybe I need usb toys...
[0:17] <Phrewfuf> though an interesting fact is: the 2A hungry ipad will not draw more than 500mA when connected to a PC
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[0:18] <gordonDrogon> isn't 500mA the max you're supposed to draw anyway?
[0:19] <Phrewfuf> usually yes
[0:19] <Phrewfuf> as in: the USB spec tells that
[0:20] <Phrewfuf> though lenovo for instance has those yellow ports on the thinkpads, those can source 1A
[0:20] <Phrewfuf> which is still not enough for an ipad though :D
[0:20] <plugwash> Per the USB spec PCs are required to limit current on the USB ports to safe levels
[0:20] <plugwash> but they are NOT required to closely enforce USB power restrictions
[0:20] <Phrewfuf> and apple turns fancy to 11 by making their usb ports able to source 2A
[0:22] * plugwash isn't sure if the spec says anything about how USB hosts should respond to being backfed with power
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[0:23] <Phrewfuf> i am wondering about my PC...i mean...the CPU fan starts to rotate if my hub backfeeds it
[0:23] <atouk> they probobly turned it past 11 to 12 by naming is something fancy adn patenting it so they can sue anyone else that makes 2a available on usb
[0:23] <Phrewfuf> atouk: yes, probably just that
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, that's surprising since the fans are usually driven off the 12v supply...
[0:25] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: yes, with PWM
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[0:28] <atouk> is your pc off, on on standby/sleep
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> well the pwm doesn't make them turn - and most fans will simply rotate without the pwm signal.
[0:28] <Phrewfuf> atouk: shutdown -h
[0:28] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: you confuse the PWMs
[0:29] <Phrewfuf> there is one coming from the fan, telling the PC how fast it rotates...
[0:29] <Phrewfuf> but you can't control a fans speed without changing the voltage
[0:29] <Phrewfuf> a regular fan of course not one with some fancy speed control interface
[0:30] <Phrewfuf> atouk: so yes, the PC is off, but still connected to the PSU
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> PWM - Pulse Width Modulation. Used in 4-wire fans.
[0:30] <atouk> some boards really never turn "off" because they have WOL and other services available
[0:31] <plugwash> Most CPU fans now have a fourth wire for PWM control
[0:31] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: mine doesn't
[0:31] <Phrewfuf> its a regular one with speedsense
[0:31] <Phrewfuf> to regulate its speed you need to alter the voltage on V+ of the fan
[0:32] <plugwash> lemme guess it's probablly an aftermarket fan
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[0:32] <Phrewfuf> which in a digital system is only possible with PWM or an ADC, and PWM is way cheaper
[0:32] <Phrewfuf> plugwash: yup it is
[0:32] <atouk> no, you chop the voltage, it stays +5 (or is it 12)
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[0:32] <Phrewfuf> atouk: well, yeah, pwm chops it, of course
[0:33] <Phrewfuf> but with an RC filter it gets smoothed out to almost DC
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[0:33] <Phrewfuf> and its 12V, 5V wouldn't be enough for CPU cooling
[0:33] <plugwash> IIRC with motors though it's often better NOT to smooth it out
[0:34] <Phrewfuf> plugwash: with DC motors, correct
[0:34] <Phrewfuf> but PC fans are brushless...
[0:35] <xacobe97> what resistors should i use for playing with leds in rpi?
[0:35] <Phrewfuf> oh wait...if oyu want constant stable rotation speed, you will have to smooth it out
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> xacobe97, anything from 220?? to 330 ?? for most geenric LEDs.
[0:36] <Phrewfuf> xacobe97: different leds need different resistors.
[0:36] <atouk> 3.3v/R = 200 ma
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, fans have inertia.
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> atouk, 200mA LEDs? What LEDs have you got???
[0:36] <Phrewfuf> also leds at different voltages (5V, 3.3V, 1.8V) need different resistors too
[0:37] <atouk> oops dropped a .
[0:37] <xacobe97> my leds are 3.3V i think
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> just use 330 ohms. Most LEDs will be OK with that, and you'll be safe.
[0:37] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: actually i'm wondering how the brushless fans can control speed by supply voltage
[0:37] <atouk> only leds witn internal resistors are rated a a voltage
[0:37] <xacobe97> ok thanks gordonDrogon
[0:37] <xacobe97> and, what are pull up/down resistors?
[0:37] <Phrewfuf> atouk: leds have a forward voltage drop
[0:38] <Phrewfuf> all leds
[0:38] <gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, they have a microcontroller in them. they sense the voltage and change the pulses accordingly.
[0:38] <atouk> irrellevent, use current as biasing
[0:38] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: yeah, but the mc needs to get v+, too
[0:38] <gordonDrogon> xacobe97, resistors used to bias an input pin to +3.3 or 0v.
[0:38] <gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, some uC's will run down to 1.8v.
[0:38] <Phrewfuf> atouk: how do you want to calculate your resistor without the voltage drop rating=?
[0:38] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: but not up to 12
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[0:39] <atouk> assune 0 ohms and just calculate the resistor
[0:39] <gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, who knows.
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: 0.8, even
[0:39] <Phrewfuf> atouk: what?
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[0:40] <atouk> max current will be determined by the resistor, the led resistance is so nominal that it's irrelevent
[0:40] <Phrewfuf> if your led drops 1.8V and your supply is 5, you need to get rid of 3.2V at the resistor + limit the current to about 20mA
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[0:40] <Phrewfuf> 20mA works most of the time with regular 3mm leds
[0:41] <gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, 20mA is too much for the Pi.
[0:41] <gordonDrogon> max is about 16.
[0:41] <Phrewfuf> gordonDrogon: thought so, but the PI doesn't have 5v GPIOs ;)
[0:41] <Phrewfuf> and less is good in that case
[0:41] <Phrewfuf> more is bad
[0:42] <atouk> careful about lecturing gordon on pi GPIO. he's got a huge can of whoopass in that subject
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[0:42] <IT_Sean> atouk, language, please.
[0:43] <atouk> sorry. whoopcan
[0:43] <IT_Sean> thx
[0:43] <Phrewfuf> whoopmusculus maximus or however it's called :D
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[0:44] <Phrewfuf> atouk: the pi doesn't have 5v GPIOs, or does it? O.o
[0:44] <atouk> no, it doesn't
[0:44] <Phrewfuf> as i said ^^
[0:45] <atouk> but arguing with gordon is not wise. he has a huge trunk full of been there done that
[0:46] <Phrewfuf> i was not arguing, i mentioned to show him that i was aking a generic example about LEDs
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[0:46] <Phrewfuf> i meant to show him
[0:47] <atouk> then stay generic, don't bring pi current limits into it. rules change for that
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[0:47] <gordonDrogon> I don't really mind if others blow up their Pi's. Really, be my guest... ;-)
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[0:48] <Phrewfuf> atouk: he brought the 16ma pi limit into the discussion, hence why i told him about the 5V
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> LEDs are 50 years old!
[0:48] <atouk> maybe we're arguing apples and oranges
[0:48] <Phrewfuf> yeah probably
[0:48] <atouk> but for all things GPIO, i'll defer to gordon as the resident expert
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> Same age as me.
[0:49] <atouk> me too. and just like me, still fascinating to play with...
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[0:50] <Phrewfuf> speaking of GPIOs, i still haven't found any level converters for 1.8 to 5v
[0:51] <Phrewfuf> just the usual 1.8 to 3.3, but nothing with 5
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[0:51] <IT_Sean> 1.8?
[0:51] <IT_Sean> o_O
[0:51] <atouk> there's some 74hc chips that work for that
[0:52] <mervaka> Phrewfuf: you could otherwise make a non inverting amplifier
[0:52] <atouk> buffer/drivers, but don't ask me the numbers
[0:52] <Phrewfuf> IT_Sean: yeah, it was back then when i just had a pandaboard...its GPIOs are 1.8v
[0:52] <Phrewfuf> atouk: i sampled some real level converters from TI
[0:52] <IT_Sean> ahh
[0:52] <mervaka> if you have opamps in abundance.
[0:53] <Phrewfuf> some with automatic direction sensing, some with special inputs for direction
[0:53] <mervaka> i used non inverting amplifiers to create 5v PWM from the headphone sockets
[0:54] <Phrewfuf> mervaka: i'm not sure if this will work for something like I2C or SPI
[0:54] <mervaka> depends on the opamp
[0:54] <mervaka> and your supply config
[0:55] <Phrewfuf> the datasheet of the OMAP4 on the panda explicitly said to use level converters with direction input if the second SD/MMC interface was to be used
[0:55] <mervaka> did it recommend examples?
[0:55] <lickalott> hi ikonia
[0:56] <lickalott> lol!
[0:56] <Phrewfuf> not even TIs own autosensing converters were allowed
[0:56] <mervaka> really?
[0:56] <Phrewfuf> mervaka: not that i remember
[0:57] <mervaka> i will admit that requirements for PWM are a lot less strict, but the end result from using opamps was very very good
[0:57] <mervaka> i initially tried using it just in a comparator configuration, but i got a lot of noise etc
[0:58] <mervaka> so the non inverting idea was to get around that.
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[0:58] <mervaka> you could also consider schmitt buffers
[0:58] <mervaka> depends on their von/voff thresholds though
[0:59] <mervaka> wait a minute
[0:59] <mervaka> can you reconfigure the pin for open drain mode?
[0:59] <mervaka> i've not really considered this in the raspi before
[1:00] <mervaka> but that's the usual method for raising digital voltages
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[1:00] <dennistlg> Hi all
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, a pin as an output driven low is more or less...
[1:00] <Phrewfuf> hm, i don't know if open drain will work
[1:00] <plugwash> Phrewfuf, http://www.ti.com/product/sn74lvc8t245
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[1:01] <plugwash> # Control Inputs VIH/VIL Levels Are Referenced to VCCA Voltage
[1:01] <plugwash> # VCC Isolation Feature - If Either VCC Input Is at GND, All Are in the High-Impedance State
[1:01] <plugwash> # Fully Configurable Dual-Rail Design Allows Each Port to Operate Over the Full 1.65-V to 5.5-V Power-Supply Range
[1:01] <mervaka> if you can get it into OD mode, you just add a pullup to whatever voltage you want
[1:01] <dennistlg> i have a question is the uart on the pi usable to flash firmware to other uart 3,3v devices?
[1:01] <mervaka> hi gordonDrogon :)
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[1:02] <plugwash> dennistlg, assuming the devices support being flashed over normal async serial sure
[1:03] <Phrewfuf> plugwash: SN74AVC4T774
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[1:03] <gordonDrogon> well that went better than expected. Upgraded an old server from etch -> Lenny -> squeeze and kernel 3.7.1, and it's 350 miles away.
[1:03] <techkid6> so sowry!
[1:03] <dennistlg> think the uart is the same as rs232 only voltage levels are diffrent.?
[1:04] <techkid6> That was not meant to be pasted :/
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, yes - it's 3.3v 'rs232'.
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> I've used it to flash an atmega in the past.
[1:04] <plugwash> Phrewfuf, unlike the one I linked that one only goes up to 3.6
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> there's no reset signal though.
[1:04] <dennistlg> yeah than it should be able to flash a firmwar to a brodcom soc in a router :-D
[1:05] <markedathome> for those interested, my failure to compile ZFS on the pi the other day magically disappeared overnight. I now have a working ZFS. Now to test with some spare usb/sata adapters and some 300GB disks to create a mirror pool ... :-)
[1:05] <dennistlg> and to see the boot messages from there
[1:05] <Tachyon`> I didn't think the pi had enough ram to handle zfs?
[1:05] <markedathome> 1MB per GB if using dedupe and encryption
[1:06] <TAFB_ssd> ummm, lol, 2543 unique hits to my Pi status page in 48 hours? yikes!
[1:06] <Coburn> you're a tease :(
[1:06] <gordonDrogon> TAFB_ssd, hit's are one per object fetched.. how many objects on the main page?
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[1:06] <TAFB_ssd> maybe someone was load testing it for me :)
[1:06] <markedathome> though that will be what I'll test when I can find all my usb/sata adapters
[1:06] <Phrewfuf> plugwash: that's the ones that work with SDcards and OMAP4 MMCSD2
[1:06] <mdszy> sj
[1:07] <Phrewfuf> but i'll take a look into those that you linked
[1:07] <mdszy> whoops
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[1:07] <Coburn> Anyone tried a eMMC to SD Card adapter?
[1:07] <plugwash> Phrewfuf, ah yes SD cards only need to go up to 3.3V
[1:07] <plugwash> Tachyon`, probablly depends if he enables dedupe or not. AIUI it's dedupe that eats the ram
[1:07] <Coburn> I see ODROID sells them with their products
[1:07] <Coburn> what if
[1:07] <Phrewfuf> plugwash: btw, your chip has a flaw...only one DIR-pin for all channels
[1:07] <dennistlg> is there traffic on the uart of the pi? (boot messages or other debug stuff) i should disable?
[1:07] <Phrewfuf> that's bad...per pin direction control would be better
[1:07] <Coburn> oh
[1:08] <Coburn> if there's any gpu boot logs
[1:08] <Coburn> I want them
[1:08] <Coburn> I wanna see what the GPU does
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[1:09] <gordonDrogon> zed time for me.
[1:09] <mervaka> nn
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[1:11] <plugwash> <dennistlg> is there traffic on the uart of the pi? (boot messages or other debug stuff) i should disable? <-- iirc the standard Pi images put the boot console on the keyboard monitor and mouse not on serial but I think there may be a getty configured on serial by default which you may want to disable in /etc/inittab
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[1:12] <jheronimus> Hi, all. I only access my RPi via SSH (from my Mac) and so I constantly get locale errors from Perl. What locale settings should I pick in raspi-config?
[1:12] <Amadiro> yeah, raspbian has something listening on the uart per default
[1:12] <Amadiro> jheronimus, what is the error message?
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[1:13] <bs123> just watched a 720p movie on my pi...worked great!
[1:13] <Amadiro> now try 1080p :)
[1:13] <plugwash> jheronimus, the locale errors from perl should tell you what locale they are failing to fine
[1:13] <plugwash> *find
[1:13] <plugwash> you should then be able to generate that locale
[1:13] <Coburn> Just set it all to C
[1:13] <Coburn> no need for locales on a pie
[1:14] <bs123> -e
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[1:14] <bs123> yeah 1080 works great too
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[1:15] <jheronimus> Amadiro: here's the output. http://pastie.org/5595340
[1:17] <jheronimus> Coburn: How do I change it to C?
[1:18] <jheronimus> It doesn't seem to be on the list in raspi-config
[1:19] <Coburn> raspi-config is crap, imo
[1:19] <Coburn> it does things wrong
[1:19] <Coburn> I know I'll get shot for saying that tho
[1:20] <jheronimus> Coburn: and besides, why is using C better than using UTF?
[1:20] <atouk> no, we dont shoot wrong thinkers. we send them to reeducation camps
[1:20] <Coburn> C is native
[1:20] <Coburn> Meaning
[1:20] <Coburn> no locale adjustments
[1:20] <Coburn> whatever's compiled in
[1:21] <jheronimus> Coburn: so how do I switch to it?
[1:23] <jheronimus> Coburn: and I would really appreciate if you threw me some coherent reading that would explain the reasoning behind C vs UTF locales thing
[1:23] <mdszy> has anyone turned an RPi into a backup server? As in, having an external hard drive hooked up to it and using something to back up to that drive over a network? And if so, what backup program did you use?
[1:23] <Coburn> Edit /etc/default/locale and set the contents to:
[1:23] <Coburn> LANG="C"
[1:23] <SpeedEvil> sync
[1:23] <Coburn> http://serverfault.com/questions/54591/how-to-install-change-locale-on-debian
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[1:23] <SpeedEvil> rsync
[1:23] <Coburn> mdszy: Samba
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[1:23] <mdszy> Coburn, erm, I mean backup program. Sorry for not being specific.
[1:24] <mdszy> I'm trying to use duplicity, but it's throwing errors all over the place.
[1:24] <Coburn> tar!
[1:24] <mdszy> At this point I'm actually wondering if it'll be practical.
[1:25] <mdszy> Since I have to use a powered USB hub for the hard drive.
[1:25] <jheronimus> Coburn: thanks!
[1:26] <mdszy> Coburn, that sounds like a pretty good idea
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[1:31] <jus10> clear
[1:32] <clear`> hi
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[1:34] <jus10> sorry, i actually just typed that into the wrong terminal :)
[1:38] <clear`> lol
[1:38] <clear`> does cls work in terminal?
[1:38] <Coburn> irc equiv is /clear
[1:38] <Essobi> lol
[1:38] <IT_Sean> heh
[1:38] <IT_Sean> i think the command you are looking for might be 'reset' ?
[1:39] <Essobi> shutdown -r now?
[1:39] <Essobi> :D
[1:39] <clear`> cls worked on old konversation to clear the window, doesnt work any longer
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[1:39] <IT_Sean> what are you trying to clear?
[1:39] <IT_Sean> ???
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[1:41] <Coburn> screen
[1:41] <Coburn> clear = clear all lines, aka scroll 'em u
[1:41] <Coburn> up
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[1:46] <dennistlg> thanks plugwash
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[1:47] <TonyRPi> Anyone working on a cool pi project? im trying to find my next RPi project 0_o
[1:47] <ParkerR_> I have mine setup as an Airplay receiver atm
[1:47] <TonyRPi> airplay receiver? whats that
[1:48] <Coburn> apple stream reciever
[1:48] <TonyRPi> oh cool
[1:48] <Coburn> plays streams from apple products
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[1:48] <mbalho> ParkerR_: is the sound quality any good? i heard it was bad
[1:49] <ParkerR_> http://jordanburgess.com/post/38986434391/raspberry-pi-airplay
[1:49] <TonyRPi> i just did that retroarch emulator project, but couldnt get the super nintendo controllers to work yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI5augaTUIY
[1:49] <ParkerR_> Sound quality is just fine
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[1:49] <mbalho> cool
[1:51] <mervaka> how about a doorbell
[1:51] <mervaka> when you push a button, it calls your phone
[1:51] <mervaka> or initiates a video call
[1:51] <mervaka> etc
[1:52] <mervaka> depending on what peripherals you have available
[1:52] <mervaka> you could even use GPO to trigger a door latch
[1:53] <mervaka> that's a project i have in the 'queue'
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[1:57] <Cykey> I've plugged in my USB webcam but /dev/video0 doesn't exist. Hm?
[1:57] <Cykey> My webcam is a Sony PlayStation Eye. ;P
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[2:00] <jacekowski> is that linux compatible?
[2:01] <jacekowski> does dmesg say anything
[2:02] <ParkerR_> Cykey: Do dmesg | tail
[2:02] <ParkerR_> And see what it says
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[2:04] <Cykey> Phrewfuf: Meh, works when i plug it directly in my raspberry pi (no hub)
[2:04] <Morblias> I am trying to use win32diskimager but the drop down will not list my devices to select. Any idea what to do? I can see them and format them in disk manager
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[2:05] <jacekowski> i've got a question about overclocking - simple one, how far i can push rpi typically before it becomes unsable?
[2:05] <jacekowski> unstable*
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[2:06] <akiwiguy> jacekowski: you can get up to 1GHz on some Pis - it depends on your Pi though. you can usually get 800MHz with no problems, and you can just push the value higher until you lose stability and then bring it back down until it's stable enough for your liking
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[2:10] <Torikun> yo
[2:12] <TAFB_ssd> yoyo
[2:12] <TAFB_ssd> just picked up a new router for $10 :) put tomato on it right out of the box. woot :)
[2:13] <Torikun> lol
[2:13] <Torikun> awesome
[2:13] <clear`> when xbmc is open, can you access terminal?
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[2:13] <Torikun> dontthink therr is app for it
[2:14] <Torikun> it had nano though
[2:14] <Torikun> which is cli
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[2:14] <Torikun> check the apps list
[2:15] <Torikun> how did the cam project go tafb
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[2:16] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: didn't try and setup any cam stuff yet, it's all sitting in the box about 10ft from me :)
[2:16] <TAFB_ssd> I got this router: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833186010
[2:16] <TAFB_ssd> for $10: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1046_365&item_id=033047
[2:16] <TAFB_ssd> and it came with free 1gb USB stick :) lol
[2:16] <Torikun> nice
[2:17] <Torikun> expensive
[2:17] <TAFB_ssd> a little disappointed it's only 10/100. but for $10 I can't really complain
[2:17] <Torikun> how you get it for 10
[2:17] <clear`> i have a cheap cisco, i need to test it out to see if it still works
[2:17] <TAFB_ssd> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1046_365&item_id=033047
[2:17] <TAFB_ssd> $10 ;)
[2:17] <clear`> i think i was dropping connection with it before
[2:17] <TAFB_ssd> ^^
[2:17] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: the stock firmware on this is horrible, drop outs, slow speeds, etc. Once I put tomato on it, it just rips
[2:18] <clear`> nice, maybe i should try that out
[2:18] <clear`> then give the router to my mom
[2:18] <Torikun> wow somethingfrom cisco sucks?
[2:18] <TAFB_ssd> make sure for password you use WPA2 Personal with AES/TKIP, only way to keep the speeds.
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[2:18] <TAFB_ssd> it's really a "linksys" ;)
[2:18] <Torikun> lol
[2:18] <clear`> lol
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[2:18] <clear`> yea
[2:18] <clear`> i have the e3000 atm
[2:18] <clear`> been pretty badass so far
[2:18] <TAFB_ssd> e3000 you can put tomato on too :)
[2:19] <clear`> i had something else on it, but it wouldnt work with my printer (usb)
[2:19] <clear`> so i went back to default
[2:19] <Torikun> what is tomatoe
[2:19] <clear`> ddrwt
[2:19] <clear`> hmm
[2:19] <Torikun> oh
[2:19] <clear`> ddwrt
[2:19] <Torikun> changed name?
[2:19] <TAFB_ssd> tomato is different from ddwrt
[2:19] <clear`> oh, no
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[2:20] <clear`> they are different, i had ddwrt on my e3000
[2:20] <clear`> i like things that are simple, ddwrt doesnt fit that concept
[2:20] <TAFB_ssd> ddwrt is good, lots of features, very technical. tomato is lean, mean, all out performance. kinda like Arch vs Raspbian :)
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[2:20] <Torikun> get email working yet?
[2:21] <TAFB_ssd> on my box? no, I fail at qmail :(
[2:21] <Torikun> follow our guide
[2:21] <Torikun> lol
[2:21] <clear`> i will try tomato then
[2:21] <clear`> on the older router
[2:21] <TAFB_ssd> does your guide support catch-all e-mail address? I heard qmail was one of the only ones.
[2:22] <Torikun> i thought you tested that
[2:22] <Torikun> with xxx
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[2:22] <TAFB_ssd> I tried citadel, doesn't support catchall. but qmail can forward mail to citadel, so I can setup catchall in qmail, but qmail is 10000x harder to setup than citadel :(
[2:23] <Torikun> follow our guide!
[2:23] <Torikun> lol
[2:23] <TAFB_ssd> link?!
[2:23] <clear`> hmm
[2:23] <Torikun> one sec
[2:23] <clear`> can centos run on the pi?
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[2:24] <Torikun> http://rushersdomain.blogspot.com/2012/12/email-server-setup-with-gmail-relay.html
[2:24] <Torikun> no clear no arm ver
[2:24] <Torikun> rhel no support arm
[2:24] <Torikun> no arm in entrerprise
[2:24] <clear`> oh
[2:24] <Torikun> i wish they had centos for pi
[2:24] <clear`> i use centos for my webserver
[2:25] <clear`> easy to setup everything web related on it
[2:25] <Torikun> i want something enterprise quality here
[2:25] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: i don't think dovecot supports catch-all address?
[2:25] <Torikun> how can we test
[2:25] <TAFB_ssd> no sure, you should be able to send an e-mail to randomaddress@yourdomain.com and you should get it, that's catch all
[2:26] <TAFB_ssd> like you can e-mail torikun@tafb.xxx right now and I'll get it
[2:26] <TAFB_ssd> i need that
[2:26] <Torikun> thought we did that and it worked
[2:26] <TAFB_ssd> nope, I was only e-mailing your one address you gave me, one sec I'll try another.
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[2:27] <kurtis_> Any news when raspberrypi is going to get a better JVM?
[2:27] <kurtis_> or rather, when is raspbian going to get a better JVM?
[2:27] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: nope, didn't work, sent to test@rusherXXX.com = "User unknown in local recipient table [RCPT_TO]"
[2:27] <kurtis_> does raspbian have it's own IRC channel?
[2:28] <Torikun> oh
[2:28] <atouk> #raspbian
[2:29] <kurtis_> atouk: thanks
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[2:29] <dennistlg> :-(
[2:30] <TAFB_ssd> why so sad dennistlg?
[2:30] <dennistlg> when i start minicom on the pi i have some symbols on the screen
[2:30] <dennistlg> something not readable
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[2:30] <TAFB_ssd> are you logged in over SSH?
[2:30] <dennistlg> yes
[2:30] <TAFB_ssd> try changing session config in SSH client to UTF-8
[2:31] <TAFB_ssd> worked for me with Putty on Windows
[2:31] <dennistlg> where i do that?
[2:31] <TAFB_ssd> you using putty?
[2:31] <dennistlg> minicom on linux
[2:31] <TAFB_ssd> no idea then, sorry
[2:31] <dennistlg> but why is there output when nothing is conectetd?
[2:32] <TAFB_ssd> in putty, i just click "session settings, translation, "remote character set" then UTF-8, fixes all the garbage on the screen :)
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[2:50] <UnaClocker> Yay??? Updated the kernel on my sheevaplug.. Survived the upgrade.
[2:51] <Essobi> Hehe.
[2:52] <TAFB_ssd> nice! what kernel were you runnin, and what to/from?
[2:53] <UnaClocker> It was on 3.1.0.. ;)
[2:53] <TAFB_ssd> what did you upgrade it to? Linux version 3.1.10?
[2:53] <UnaClocker> I'm working on building a UPS for the thing right now, with a 5ah SLA battery and two of those $2 Chinese DC-DC switchmode regulators..
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[2:54] <UnaClocker> Kernel 3.1.0, to 3.7.1..
[2:54] <TAFB_ssd> wow, think you could help me do my sheeva type device? http://tafb.yi.orf
[2:54] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.yi.org
[2:54] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[2:54] <UnaClocker> I've only ever updated the kernel on that thing 4 times.. I hate doing it, the kernel is in the onboard NAND flash, could be a real PITA to recover from a bad update.
[2:55] <TAFB_ssd> i have spare boxes, I already bricked one.
[2:55] <UnaClocker> TAFB_ssd: I get my kernels here: http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?board=2.0
[2:55] <UnaClocker> I'm not sure what script you'd use on your particular device, though. He generally sticks to the original line of "plugs"..
[2:56] <UnaClocker> I saw they're still selling "pogoplugs" at Best Buy..
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[2:56] <TAFB_ssd> ahhh. thanks. I'll take a look around, see if anyone has attempted on my device :)
[2:59] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker: does your sheeva run arch linux?
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[2:59] <dennistlg> anyone have a idea how i can get clear screen outpu from serial console
[2:59] <dennistlg> the pi is the host
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[3:01] <ball> How would I choose a Linux distribution for use on the Raspberry Pi (model B)
[3:02] <ball> ?
[3:02] <TAFB_ssd> what do you want to do with it?
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[3:22] <UnaClocker> TAFB_ssd: No, it's running Debian. Originally installed "squeeze", it's been rolled up to Wheezy..
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[3:24] <UnaClocker> TAFB_ssd: I'm building a UPS for it right now.. Freaking circuit breaker in my house tripped last weekend, and I lost 150+ days of uptime.. heh.. So I'm solving that problem now.. :)
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[3:25] <ball> TAFB_ssd: tinker, mostly.
[3:25] <dennistlg> :-(
[3:26] <dennistlg> i hope my cable showsme more output from my router than the pi
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[3:32] <TAFB_ssd> ball: probably Wheezy then, raspberrypi.org/download
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[3:33] <UnaClocker> Geeze.. fsck takes FOREVER on a very full 2tb HDD..
[3:34] <atouk> that's why you should format first. get things organized.
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[3:36] <ball> TAFB_ssd: Thanks.
[3:37] <Cykey> My Raspberry Pi reboots when it's under heavy network load. I'm using the Edimax wireless adapter on a powered USB hub.
[3:37] <ball> atouk: s/format/newfs/ ?
[3:37] <Cykey> Thoughts?
[3:38] <ball> Cykey: Have you watched the supply voltage while this happens?
[3:39] <Cykey> ball: hm?
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[3:42] <ball> Cykey: Do you have an oscilloscope?
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[3:43] <Cykey> Unfortunately, no.
[3:43] <ball> ...or an analogue multimeter at least?
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[3:44] <Cykey> ball: digital multimeter
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[3:44] <ball> Cykey: Slightly less helpful but might work anyway.
[3:45] <ball> Does the supply Voltage dip when the board's under heavy load?
[3:45] <Cykey> Well, is there a command to put the pi under heavy load?
[3:46] * ball shrugs
[3:46] <Cykey> Usually happens when I'm running apt-get, but, meh
[3:46] <ball> I know almost nothing about the Raspberry Pi but it's a hunch.
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[4:01] <Cheery> I just tinkered something on raspberry, yet despite its popularity I feel little bit lonely
[4:03] <ball> Cheery: In what way?
[4:05] <Cheery> ball: during the year couple projects have crossed the tresshold and picked up in slashdot etc.. but I feel I'm missing mostly what people are doing with rpi
[4:06] <ball> Cheery: Perhaps this channel is a way to stay informed
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[4:07] <Cheery> I see last 3 pages of troubleshooting discussion
[4:08] <Launch_Director> is it safe to OC a headless RPi with 0.7A power supply?
[4:08] <Launch_Director> or rather how much can i OC with that supply
[4:09] <ball> Launch_Director: I don't plan to overclock mine at all.
[4:09] <Launch_Director> i was asking for me
[4:09] * ball nods
[4:10] <Cheery> Launch_Director: the raspi-config settings are probably safe, but there's differences even between RPis
[4:11] <Launch_Director> Cheery: well yes.. but is the supply enough to OC to 1GHZ ? if running headless
[4:11] <Launch_Director> i'm on the latest board i think
[4:11] <Launch_Director> Rev 2 -B
[4:11] <Cheery> is it within limits of what config lets you set?
[4:12] <Cheery> if it is, just try it and see how it fares.
[4:12] <Launch_Director> what limits?
[4:12] <Cheery> raspi-config -tool.
[4:12] <Launch_Director> yes 1GHZ is the Turbo option
[4:13] <ball> What's the default clock speed of a Raspberry Pi?
[4:13] <Launch_Director> 700mhz
[4:13] <Launch_Director> MHZ*
[4:14] <ball> That's faster than my current desktop PC.
[4:14] <Launch_Director> ...
[4:14] <Launch_Director> not the same thing
[4:14] <ball> I know.
[4:14] <Launch_Director> this is equivalent to 300Mhz Pentium 2
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[4:14] <ball> Okay, my current desktop is a 550 MHz Pentium III
[4:14] <Launch_Director> big difference in architecture
[4:14] <ball> ...since I gave mine to my daughter to replace hers when it failed.
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[4:15] <Cheery> Launch_Director: also differences in amounts of things.
[4:15] <Launch_Director> ye
[4:15] <Launch_Director> one is SoC other is giant freeking mobo setup
[4:16] * ball nods
[4:16] <ball> I also got a new mainboard and RAM for Christmas, so I hope to build a PC too.
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[4:17] <Cheery> I hope hardware keeps getting better
[4:18] <Launch_Director> for the same price
[4:18] <ball> Cheery: It seems to have been mostly downhill in terms of build quality since the Pentium III though.
[4:18] <mhoney> Cheery: /quit
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[4:18] <Launch_Director> ball: i wouldn't say thats true
[4:19] <ball> Launch_Director: Perhaps we've just been unlucky.
[4:19] <Cheery> well consumer behavior likely supports cheaper smaller machines
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[4:20] <ball> Cheery: That's probably true.
[4:21] <Launch_Director> yeh the future enthusiast PCs will just have 1 part integrating multiple parts
[4:21] <ball> Cheery: The PCs just don't seem to last as long.
[4:21] <Launch_Director> such as laptops
[4:21] <Cheery> probably likely.
[4:21] <Cheery> ball: things have just changed and it has just gotten harder to get good parts.
[4:21] <Launch_Director> what do you mean last?
[4:22] <Launch_Director> well if you burn stuff out it's not the manufacturers fault
[4:22] <Launch_Director> i haven't had problems
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[4:22] <ball> Launch_Director: Newer machines seem to fail a lot sooner.
[4:22] <Cheery> if you pick something randomly from shelf, it's likely to be terrible.
[4:23] <Launch_Director> there is not a lot of things to fail in a machine
[4:23] <Launch_Director> maybe you have bad software experiences
[4:23] <Launch_Director> and you blame it on hardware
[4:23] <Cheery> Launch_Director: actually if you count *everything* the amount of things to fail have increased.
[4:24] <Launch_Director> Cheery: that is because there are much more machines on the market
[4:24] <ball> Launch_Director: I meant hardware failures specifically. I think power supply quality may be a contributing factor though.
[4:24] <Launch_Director> with a bigger mass of less experienced users
[4:25] <Launch_Director> yeh well it's you get what you pay for
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[4:25] <Cheery> I guess I'll get to sleep soon.
[4:25] <Launch_Director> also it helps protecting that PSU
[4:25] * ball nods
[4:26] <Cheery> if the lower library layer had worked properly, I'd have had something to show today.
[4:27] <Cheery> although showing it now might not impress anyone.
[4:27] <ball> That general perception is fuelled by things I've seen at work but also my experiences at home. I have three or four failed PCs waiting for me to repair them. I may just go out and buy some ATX PSUs to see whether I can revive them that way.
[4:28] <Launch_Director> most PCs with busted PSUs i worked on just had a burned out fuse
[4:28] <Launch_Director> even the very shity ones
[4:28] <Launch_Director> replace that.. Back alive
[4:28] <ball> They put fuses in them now? ;-)
[4:28] <Launch_Director> yeh
[4:28] <Cheery> I've worked hard to make it easy to try out designs for desktop GUIs
[4:28] <Launch_Director> i can't remember when they didn't put fuses
[4:28] <Launch_Director> you just have to know where to find them
[4:28] * ball nods
[4:29] <ball> Anyway, I'll probably buy a new case for the new PC.
[4:29] <ball> Basic mATX case should do the job.
[4:29] <Cheery> the result is that I have fancy json layer protocol and fancy webgl-mimicking graphics api
[4:29] <ball> ...then I'll have something on which to run a toolchain for the Raspberri Pi
[4:29] <Cheery> which draws few squares with colors on them.
[4:29] <Launch_Director> i'm trying to get my hands on the oldest PC case to put in it the best current hardware there is
[4:30] <ball> Launch_Director: You could hack a mainboard into an IBM 5150 case but I'd go with something ATX because it would require less work.
[4:31] <Launch_Director> i like moding
[4:31] <ball> Launch_Director: I wouldn't mind minor modifications if they offer real benefit. I just want the thing to work.
[4:32] <Cheery> If I take and spend little more time on it.. I might get something that looks really simple for user to tinker.
[4:32] <Cheery> needs little bit of documentation as well though.
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[4:33] <ball> Cheery: Are you working on user interfaces for the Raspberri Pi?
[4:33] <Cheery> ball: yep, desktop user interface
[4:33] <Cheery> though not just the usual thing with windows, mouse and keyboard.
[4:34] <Launch_Director> anyway it's pretty hot in my room, and i prefer to keep my uptime.. so prob no OC until i at least mount a tiny heatsink
[4:35] <ball> Cheery: How is yours different?
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[4:36] <Cheery> I'll treat other forms of input that might appear if you bring desktop outside of desk.
[4:37] <Cheery> I have different method for handling views provided by processes
[4:37] * ball isn't sure what that means
[4:38] <Cheery> I'll try if I could get something that'd let programs work well, independent of what you're using to control them.
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[4:39] <Launch_Director> hmm
[4:39] <Cheery> we could have tons of input devices today, thanks to USB
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[4:40] * ball shrugs
[4:40] <TAFB_ssd> any uboot experts in here? :(
[4:41] <ball> Cheery: I have a keyboard, a trackball, a joypad thing that i've used once or twice.
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[4:42] <ball> Cheery: I can imagine alternative input devices for adaptive technology uses.
[4:42] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[4:42] <Cheery> ball: do you use linux on desktop?
[4:43] <ball> Cheery: Sometimes, yes.
[4:43] <Coburn> I'm going to use Linux as my main OS for 2013
[4:43] <Coburn> why? Because I'll be working with Linux regular;y.
[4:43] <Coburn> ly*
[4:44] <ball> Cheery: My daughter and my sister-in law both ran Xubuntu
[4:44] <ball> ...until their PCs failed.
[4:44] <Cheery> have you noticed that it behaves obviously annoyingly in some situations, yet those haven't been fixed even if they've appeared for years?
[4:44] <Coburn> AMD?
[4:44] <ball> Now my daughter's running Xubuntu on my old desktop.
[4:44] <mdszy> I'm currently using Linux as my primary OS, used to use OS X, never going back.
[4:44] <Coburn> Yay for female linux uses
[4:44] <Coburn> users*
[4:44] <Coburn> Linux likes AMD better, imo
[4:45] <Coburn> Not sure why, but it just does. Feels a little bit faster
[4:45] <Cheery> things like apps opening widgets with 2 second delay, shooting them over what you're currently doing.
[4:45] <ball> Coburn: It's sad that that's noteworthy.
[4:45] <ball> considered noteworthy*
[4:45] <Cheery> odd fullscreen behavior and issues with multiple video outputs.
[4:45] <Coburn> What is?
[4:46] <Coburn> Cheery: true
[4:46] <Coburn> and also, the heck is up with standby/resume?
[4:46] <Coburn> One laptop I used linux on
[4:46] <Coburn> the WiFi and bluetooth broke when I resumed from sleep
[4:46] <Coburn> Had to do a reboot
[4:46] <ball> Well my new PC will have an AMD processor and chipset, so perhaps that'll help.
[4:47] <Coburn> Another AMD user?
[4:47] <Coburn> Sadly, Intel is starting to be like titanic
[4:47] <Coburn> They may have the upper hand
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[4:47] <Coburn> but for the $$$... yeah no
[4:47] <nimitz> intel makes the best cpus
[4:47] <Coburn> That's a given. Not going to argue with that
[4:47] <ball> Coburn: I would rather have had a Sandy Bridge Celeron or Ivy Bridge Pentium board but the AMD board was more simple and less expensive.
[4:48] <ball> nimitz: The best PC processors, possibly.
[4:48] <Coburn> but the price tag hurts
[4:48] <Coburn> like the 1st gen Core i7 was like... $700+ ?
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[4:48] <ball> Coburn: Entry point is about US$ 50 for a Pentium I think.
[4:48] <nimitz> by best i mean performance wise
[4:48] <Coburn> my next rig will be AMD. With intel's move to solder the CPU to the motherboards, it's pretty much digging their own grave
[4:49] <ball> nimitz: PC-wise, certainly, but it doesn't compare to something like the IBM POWER7.
[4:49] <Coburn> nimitz: true.
[4:49] <Coburn> AMD has some pretty slick server CPUs
[4:49] <Coburn> 24core Opertron?
[4:49] <ball> Coburn: They did for a while.
[4:49] <ball> ...until Bulldozer.
[4:49] <Cheery> Coburn: there's probably couple some that I haven't noticed. but overall my idea is to put desktop redesign itself through numerous other people.
[4:49] <nimitz> power7 is "only" 45nm
[4:50] <nimitz> and 2 years old
[4:50] <Coburn> power7... is powerPC?
[4:50] <ball> Coburn: No.
[4:50] <Coburn> I thought PowerPC was obsolete
[4:50] <Coburn> Oh
[4:50] <ball> PowerPC was a cut-down POWER chip
[4:50] <Cheery> I want to make it simple to write your own desktop compositor, and change the rules it obeys.
[4:50] <Coburn> What is it then? x86?
[4:50] <ball> Coburn: No.
[4:50] <ball> Coburn: It's POWER.
[4:50] <Coburn> And does Linux run on it?
[4:50] <ball> Coburn: Yes.
[4:51] <ball> Linux, AIX and IBM i.
[4:51] <Coburn> OK...
[4:51] <Coburn> Interesting.
[4:51] <ball> (all at the same time)
[4:51] <nimitz> is there a debian power image?
[4:51] <Coburn> What did the POWER7 have?
[4:51] <Coburn> ^ that
[4:51] <ball> nimitz: No idea.
[4:51] <Coburn> I mean, CPU wise
[4:51] <Cheery> now I'm getting the sleep I promised to myself.
[4:51] <Coburn> How many CPUs/cores?
[4:51] <ball> Coburn: 8 cores per die, four threads per core.
[4:51] <Coburn> Clock? RAM?
[4:51] <Coburn> 32 logical cores
[4:52] <Coburn> holy smokes
[4:52] <ball> 4 GHz I think, down from 5 GHz on the POWER6
[4:52] <ball> Coburn: Also look up their MCM package.
[4:52] <ball> nrn
[4:52] <ball> brb
[4:52] <Coburn> k
[4:54] <ball> So yes, on one socket you can get four of those POWER7 dies, with 32M cache per die.
[4:54] <ball> (down from 36M on the POWER6 iirc)
[4:55] <ball> ...it's sort of the opposite end of the scale from ARM.
[4:55] <ball> ARM is an official Thing of Beauty though.
[4:56] <ball> I'm tempted to order a case for my Raspberry Pi.
[4:56] <TechDesk> another joke for this night :> ftp://techdesk.zapto.org/openvpn_serveur
[4:57] * ball guesses that's in French.
[4:57] <TechDesk> yes
[4:57] <TechDesk> i'm french
[4:57] <ball> I'm not.
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[5:01] <Coburn> lol
[5:01] <Coburn> harsh
[5:01] <TechDesk> harsh ?
[5:02] * ball cranks up "96 Tears"
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[5:03] <wry> techkid6: No.
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[5:31] <nardev> hey guys, what is the simplest way to get rpi? i ordered it from newark and they wanted to billed me 35$ for simplest shipping... i don't want to pay that..
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[5:34] <johntramp> hi has anyone managed to get rpi working with high power wifi adapters? ~500mW or so
[5:35] * vjacob wonders where the 20gig free from a moment ago went
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[5:44] <SpeedEvil> johntramp: they are just USB.
[5:44] <BlueMint> I live in Australia and am looking to get a Pi. What is the cheapest solution?
[5:44] <SpeedEvil> all you need is a sufficiently powerful PSU to your powered uab hub
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[5:47] <clear`> BlueMint: element14
[5:47] <nardev> clear`, just warn him that shipping can cost him more than rpi
[5:47] <BlueMint> They cost 41 bucks there :/
[5:47] <BlueMint> http://i.imgur.com/f4Vpy.png
[5:48] <clear`> nardev: really?
[5:48] <clear`> hmm
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[5:48] <clear`> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14421
[5:49] <BlueMint> I thought they were 20ish bucks
[5:49] <nardev> yes, element14 ~ newark i stopped my order there by tricking them (blocking withdraw money from credit card) since they didn't want to tell me the cost of shipping.. and than i saw in the log for credit card that they tried to pull 69$ (35 for rpi) from credit card
[5:49] <clear`> no
[5:49] <Xark> BlueMint: $35 US plus shipping generally.
[5:49] <clear`> $35 for the 512mb
[5:49] <BlueMint> hi Xark :)
[5:50] <Xark> BlueMint: Hello. :)
[5:50] <BlueMint> I don't think I need 512MB
[5:50] <nardev> BlueMint, do you need ethernet?
[5:50] <BlueMint> yes
[5:50] <Xark> BlueMint: That is the smallest, until the "model A" ships (and it has only one USB and no ethernet).
[5:50] <clear`> its a few bucks more than the 256, so get the 512
[5:50] <Xark> Can you still get 256MB models?
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[5:51] <clear`> i have never looked for that model, so no clue
[5:51] <clear`> im sure you can
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[5:51] <Xark> BlueMint: Probably some "cheap" 256MB models on ebay I bet (from people who want newer 512MB model). However, you *really* want 512MB (and even that isn't "enough" for some uses).
[5:52] <Xark> BlueMint: Basically 256MB model was replaced with 512MB (for same cost).
[5:52] <BlueMint> I just want to run a simple webserver to communicate with my arduino
[5:52] <nardev> Xark, i was thinking 256M model is newer one...
[5:52] <Launch_Director> then prob 256 is enough
[5:52] <Lasivian> how can you tell if one is 256 or 512?
[5:52] <nardev> BlueMint, than go get ethernet shield!
[5:52] <Xark> BlueMint: 256MB would certainly work, however unless you are saving a lot of money get 512 (that is my recommendation). :)
[5:53] <Xark> nardev: Ethernet shield is generally more than Pi (and sucks - 4800 baud "Internet").
[5:54] <nardev> Xark, yes, but if u use arduino in that project, far more easier to combine it with shield than with rpi
[5:54] <nardev> Xark, and i think you can get shield for 15-20$
[5:54] <nardev> one bay
[5:54] <Lasivian> I have a model B, but I don't know how much ram it has, guess i should hook it up, lol
[5:54] <Xark> Lasivian: Not too easy, however the memory chip has a larger number (IIRC 4G vs 2G bits).
[5:54] <clear`> model b = 512
[5:54] <clear`> model a = 256
[5:55] <clear`> right?
[5:55] <Launch_Director> yep
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[5:55] <Launch_Director> but REV 1 has B = 256
[5:55] <Xark> Lasivian: See this for pics -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2191
[5:56] <Lasivian> thanks
[5:56] <Launch_Director> meaning it has the ethernet ... model A doesn't
[5:56] <Xark> clear`: Yes, however there are older Model B's with 256MB.
[5:56] <Launch_Director> that's what i said
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[5:57] <Lasivian> apparently I got a 512 one, but when I ordered in July it was 256 model B
[5:58] <Lasivian> I need to find a use for it, I got it because it was damned cool and I wanted to support the makers :)
[5:58] <Launch_Director> yeh they said they will give new PIs for people still in the que
[5:58] <Xark> Lasivian: That is how it was for a fair number of people. They didn't even know 512MB existed and until they released a firmware upgrade, you couldn't see the extra memory.
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[5:58] <cstcyr> I'm having the same problem with both 10-12 wheezy and adafruits build talking to a i2c tmp102. I can detect the i2c device using i2cdetect but I can not read from it using i2cget or using the tmp102 kernel module.
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[5:59] <Lasivian> things are so tiny... I remember paying 80$ for a 4meg simm... heh
[5:59] <Xark> cstcyr: You have all the proper pull up resistors (and making sure you aren't double pulled up either)?
[6:00] <Xark> cstcyr: I2C bus is quite picky about that.
[6:00] <Datalink|mobile> In my day we threaded ferrite donuts... not really
[6:00] <Datalink|mobile> The pi has I2C pullup
[6:00] <torgo> Does anyone know if it matters what wattage a soldering iron tip is?
[6:00] <torgo> [22:00] <torgo> Like if it needs to be the same wattage as the iron?
[6:00] <torgo> Oops
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[6:02] <cstcyr> Xark: yeah I'm not using any pullups, no instructions I saw had anyone using them
[6:03] <cstcyr> I might try driving this with 5v. I was driving it with 5v on an arduino and it seemed to be working.
[6:04] <cstcyr> nope either way I get this i2cget -y 0 0x48 0x00 b Error: Read failed
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[6:04] <Xark> cstcyr: Well, I think as Datalink said they are built into the pi.
[6:04] <cstcyr> Yeah I was operating under that assumption
[6:04] <cstcyr> blegh
[6:04] <Datalink|mobile> 5v+pi=damage, run the i2c chip at 3v3
[6:04] <cstcyr> I thought I just had an out of date kernel or something
[6:05] <cstcyr> ok
[6:05] <Datalink|mobile> Are you loading i2c?
[6:05] <torgo> kmBh:ZU
[6:05] <torgo> crap sorry lol
[6:06] <cstcyr> Datalink|mobile: I have all of the packages installed and i2c-dev is loaded
[6:06] <cstcyr> i2cdetect sees the device
[6:06] <Datalink|mobile> Ok, just not talking?
[6:06] <cstcyr> I tried swapping the data lines and it went away in detect so I think it's wired right.
[6:07] <cstcyr> and I have AD0 grounded
[6:07] <cstcyr> maybe I can try hooking it up to an Arduino again and see if I can read it still
[6:07] <cstcyr> could be just fried I guess?
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[6:09] <torgo> Can anyone help me out with soldering stuff?
[6:09] <torgo> Not sure where else to ask...
[6:09] <cstcyr> torgo: what are you trying to solder man
[6:09] <clear`> just ask
[6:10] <torgo> I have a 50 watt iron
[6:10] <torgo> I need a really fine tip for some soldering
[6:10] <torgo> Does the tip need to be 50 watt or is 30 ok?
[6:10] <torgo> or 20 or does it even matter?
[6:10] <cstcyr> who makes the iron?
[6:10] <torgo> Ahhhh brain fart
[6:10] <clear`> the iron didnt come with different tips?
[6:10] <torgo> Nope
[6:10] <clear`> was it a cheap iron?
[6:10] <torgo> $20
[6:11] <clear`> i bought a cheap one from walmart once, never again
[6:11] <cstcyr> radiocrap or is like a hardware store special?
[6:11] <cstcyr> ah
[6:11] <torgo> Micro Center
[6:11] <torgo> Oh!
[6:11] <torgo> Velleman
[6:11] <torgo> I mean the tip comes out
[6:11] <torgo> And you can buy replacement tips from these guys
[6:12] <cstcyr> basically you need to match the tips to the model you bought but it might not be that obvious
[6:12] <torgo> But my wife picked up a tip that says 30 watt on it I'm just not sure if I can use it
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[6:12] <torgo> Oh I see
[6:12] <torgo> Dang that stucks
[6:12] <torgo> Oh well thx for the help
[6:12] <cstcyr> I mean if it fits.
[6:13] <cstcyr> It's worth a shot
[6:13] <torgo> Heh
[6:13] <torgo> But the whole 30 watt thing
[6:13] <torgo> What does that even mean
[6:13] <torgo> I mean, it's just a piece of metal right?
[6:13] <clear`> lol
[6:13] <torgo> I understand what it means on the iron :\
[6:13] <clear`> yea its just a piece of metal pretty much
[6:14] <torgo> So it shouldn't rly matter then
[6:14] <cstcyr> well it looks like some tips are made for specific irons.
[6:14] <cstcyr> http://www.vellemanusa.com/products/view/?id=521279
[6:14] <clear`> but they rate them up to certain temps
[6:14] <cstcyr> THis one says it would fit 10/20/30 I think
[6:14] <Datalink|mobile> Watts of electricity converted to heat
[6:14] <cstcyr> But as long as it's physically compatible I would go for it.
[6:14] <clear`> it takes X watts to heat up to X temp
[6:14] <cstcyr> Next time buy a Weller
[6:14] <torgo> Okie
[6:15] <clear`> i paid like $30 for my last one, works awesome
[6:15] <clear`> and it has different tips
[6:15] <torgo> This one seems really good
[6:15] <clear`> the problem with the cheap one i had, it wouldnt hold heat consistently
[6:15] <torgo> http://www.vellemanusa.com/products/view/?id=522806
[6:15] <torgo> Yeah seems like I have to crank it to mid-high setting to melt 60-40 solder
[6:15] <torgo> Which I don't think u should have to
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[6:18] <torgo> I made a little inline switch on my usb to turn my pi on and off :D
[6:19] <clear`> very cool
[6:19] <torgo> Yeah I'm pretty happing seeing as it's my first real project
[6:19] <clear`> i have my pi hooked up to my TV, it turns on and off with the TV
[6:19] <torgo> And by that I mean one that doesn't have instructions
[6:19] <torgo> Nice
[6:19] <torgo> You know...
[6:19] <clear`> i want to build a case with an off/on switch and a powered usb hub
[6:19] <torgo> Yeah it was pretty simple really
[6:20] <torgo> Only trouble I ran into was with a usb cord that didn't have enough power or something
[6:20] <torgo> But I have it hooked up to a lapdock so there's already a lot of complication there
[6:20] <clear`> whats lapdock
[6:20] <torgo> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[6:21] <torgo> I've just about given up trying to turn the pi into a laptop tho...
[6:21] <torgo> It's just too slow for normal day to day stuff
[6:21] <torgo> Great for tinkering on though, learning how Linux works and what not
[6:21] <clear`> lol
[6:21] <clear`> yes
[6:21] <torgo> I think I might just use it as a file share going forward :\
[6:21] <clear`> well i use linux full time
[6:21] <torgo> I like it a lot
[6:21] <clear`> im setting my pi up for file sharing and xbmc
[6:22] <torgo> Media center?
[6:22] <clear`> yea
[6:22] <torgo> But but
[6:22] <torgo> If it's too slow for browsing...
[6:22] <torgo> How?
[6:22] <torgo> I mean would it stream video?
[6:22] <clear`> yes
[6:22] <clear`> easily
[6:22] <clear`> 1080
[6:22] <torgo> Then why can't it even run Midori for crying out lout
[6:22] <torgo> loud*
[6:22] <torgo> Seems to me that would be way less memory intensive
[6:23] <ParkerR_> That's why you don't use a web browser in X
[6:23] <clear`> lol
[6:23] <ParkerR_> netsurf in framebuffer is great
[6:23] <torgo> NO idea
[6:23] <ParkerR_> http://withg.org/parkerlreed/netsurf.png
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[6:23] <torgo> My mind just exploded
[6:24] <ParkerR_> No X running
[6:24] <torgo> Ohhh
[6:24] <ParkerR_> Although no javascript support
[6:24] <torgo> Cookies?
[6:24] <ParkerR_> Yes
[6:24] <torgo> Can you read email and stuff?
[6:24] <ParkerR_> Yes
[6:24] <torgo> Wow
[6:24] <torgo> Will have to check that out
[6:24] <ParkerR_> sudo apt-get install netsurf-fb
[6:24] <clear`> javascript would burn the pi up =X
[6:25] <clear`> i hate javascript ;\
[6:25] <torgo> lol
[6:25] <torgo> Word
[6:25] <ParkerR_> Then to run netsurf -b 16 -w XXXX -h XXX
[6:25] <torgo> I love it for some things
[6:25] <ParkerR_> XXX being your width and height
[6:25] <cstcyr> Datalink|mobile: yep darn thing is spitting out perfect temps to my arduino
[6:25] <torgo> -b ?
[6:25] <arnorhs> :'-(
[6:25] <ParkerR_> torgo, Bitdepth
[6:25] <torgo> Ah
[6:25] <torgo> thx :)
[6:25] <ParkerR_> It doesnt run at all at 24
[6:25] <clear`> can you get into terminal through xbmc?
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[6:26] <ParkerR_> clear`, Raspbmc?
[6:27] <Datalink|mobile> cstcyr, cool
[6:28] <clear`> rasbian
[6:28] <clear`> http://selfprogramming.bplaced.net/index.php/2012/09/15/raspbian-wheezy-image-with-xbmc/comments/
[6:28] <clear`> i used his image
[6:28] <ParkerR_> clear`, Oh then just exit XBMC
[6:28] <cstcyr> just a bumer that I can't get the pi to read it
[6:28] <torgo> Nite mates, thx again
[6:28] <ParkerR_> Or
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[6:28] <ParkerR_> clear`, Try Ctrl + Alt + F2
[6:29] <ParkerR_> It should drop to a terminal
[6:29] <clear`> trying to exit, i just get a black screen ;\
[6:29] * clear` reboots
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[6:29] <cstcyr> holy crap
[6:30] <ParkerR_> cstcyr, What?
[6:30] <cstcyr> I might try grounding the damn thing eh?
[6:30] <clear`> ctrl alt f2 does nothing also
[6:30] <clear`> ;\
[6:31] <ParkerR_> clear`, Try Ctrl + Alt + F4
[6:31] <cstcyr> hahaha well theres a few hours I wont get back for the want of one wire.
[6:31] <clear`> i tried all of the F's lol
[6:31] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[6:32] <ParkerR_> He might hve disabled them in his image
[6:32] <ParkerR_> clear`, If you can SSH in can you pastebin the contents of /etc/inittab?
[6:32] <clear`> i figured exit would take you back to wheezy, but doesnt
[6:32] <clear`> let me read his blog, see if the answer is there first
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[6:35] <ParkerR_> Oh neat
[6:35] <ParkerR_> He provides a newer build of xbmc
[6:36] <Pickley> C:
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[6:36] <Pickley> Might buy a external battery soon
[6:36] <Pickley> Hook it up to my Robot kit with a wifi adaptor
[6:36] <Pickley> zoom zoom :D
[6:39] <cstcyr> yay /home/pi# sensors tmp102-i2c-0-48 Adapter: bcm2708_i2c.0 temp1: +21.2??C (high = +160.0??C, hyst = +150.0??C)
[6:40] <Pickley> :P
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[6:45] <UnaClocker> Yay, got my makeshift UPS up and running.
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[6:46] <beet0l> hey folks
[6:46] <beet0l> how do you typically power components that you control with your rpi?
[6:46] <clear`> with their own power source
[6:47] <beet0l> ahh ok thanks
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[6:51] <SpeedEvil> I use the force.
[6:52] <clear`> ParkerR_: still want to see the inittab?
[6:52] <SpeedEvil> I've just made a 5v 500Ah power source :-)
[6:52] <ParkerR_> clear`, Shure
[6:52] <ParkerR_> *Sure
[6:53] <clear`> https://pastee.org/d5r5e
[6:54] <ParkerR_> Hmm Ctrl + Alt + F2-6 should be wprking
[6:54] <ParkerR_> *working
[6:55] <clear`> it did nothing
[6:55] <clear`> To disable xbmc on boot:
[6:55] <clear`> cd /etc/init.d/
[6:55] <clear`> sudo update-rc.d xbmc remove
[6:55] <clear`> think if i just remove xbmc that will remove it from boot
[6:56] <clear`> hmm
[6:56] <clear`> To resize the sd-card or to overclock the raspberry pi, you can use raspi-config.I also disabled the option to directly boot to the desktop. You can enable this feature in the raspi-config menu aswell.
[6:56] <clear`> guess not
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[6:58] <ParkerR_> clear`, Mind pasting your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[6:58] <ParkerR_> Not in here obviously :P Pastebin or such
[6:59] <clear`> xwrapper is the only .conf in that directory
[7:00] <ParkerR_> If you have one... weird I dont even have one but X is working
[7:00] <clear`> yea, dont have one
[7:02] <clear`> lets see how much i screwed up this sdcard =X
[7:03] <clear`> YaY no longer loads
[7:05] <clear`> might be my tv
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[7:07] <clear`> blah, no idea why my TV only works half the time with the pi
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[7:12] <UnaClocker> Probably not replying to the HDMI queries in time. There are ways to force the HDMI mode and such on the Pi, might improve your success rate.
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[7:14] <clear`> hmm
[7:15] <clear`> will have to look into that, thanks UnaClocker
[7:15] <clear`> but i did get raspbian to boot instead of xbmc!
[7:15] <clear`> woot
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[7:21] <ParkerR_> clear`, Huh weird I got XBMC installed and running. ONly thing is that it seems to be ignoring my keyboard completely
[7:22] <UnaClocker> I've always navigate XBMC with my TV remote.. CEC rocks.
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[7:22] <ParkerR_> Implying my TV is awesome enough to have CEC :(
[7:22] <clear`> ParkerR_: i used the arrow keys and they worked
[7:24] <ParkerR_> Either it's ignoring my keyboard or it freezes shortly after launch
[7:24] <ParkerR_> I can't tell
[7:24] <clear`> ParkerR_: did you use the image from the site i posted?
[7:24] <ParkerR_> Yeah
[7:24] <clear`> or did you do a different xbmc install?
[7:24] <clear`> oh
[7:24] <ParkerR_> Not going to use that
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[7:24] <ParkerR_> I installed it in my existing Raspbian
[7:24] <clear`> oh
[7:25] <clear`> i tried xbian and openelec, but i couldnt get those to load properly
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[7:25] <ParkerR_> Raspbmc and Oepnelec work fine for me. Just wanting everything in one place
[7:25] <ParkerR_> *OpenElec
[7:26] <clear`> do you dual boot?
[7:26] <clear`> openelec, nothing happens for me, just a red light
[7:27] <clear`> /boot/config.txt
[7:27] <ParkerR_> Naah Just Raspbian on this SDcard
[7:27] <clear`> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[7:27] <clear`> hdmi_drive=2
[7:27] <clear`> i need to change that ^
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[7:28] <torgo> Anyone else on arch having trouble with netsurf?
[7:28] <ParkerR_> torgo, What troubles are you having?
[7:30] <torgo> netsurf: error while loading shared libraries: liblcms.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[7:32] <torgo> Found an old thread on the forums that mentioned missing liblcms library but not much love
[7:33] <clear`> can you do apt-get and install liblcms?
[7:33] <torgo> no packages like that on arch
[7:34] <torgo> dunno about deb :o
[7:35] <clear`> http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=liblcms.so.1
[7:36] <ParkerR_> torgo, pacman -S lcms
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[7:36] <clear`> pacman -S lcms
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[7:36] <clear`> ^
[7:36] <ParkerR_> :D
[7:36] <clear`> yea
[7:36] <clear`> try that
[7:37] <torgo> How did u figure that out?
[7:37] <ParkerR_> https://www.google.com/search?q=arch+liblcms
[7:37] <ParkerR_> First link
[7:37] <ParkerR_> :P
[7:37] <clear`> i googled, arch netsurf liblcms.so.1
[7:38] <torgo> o right
[7:38] <clear`> https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/issues/148
[7:38] <torgo> I've heard of google
[7:38] <clear`> lol
[7:38] <clear`> it works
[7:39] <clear`> now i have forgotten why i wanted desktop environment on the pi
[7:39] <torgo> I was looking on duckduckgo :o
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[7:39] <clear`> is there any other media player options
[7:39] <clear`> like vlc for pi?!
[7:39] <torgo> because I'm scared of how much of my life google already owns
[7:40] <clear`> VLC is available in the extra repository for Arch Linux ARM.
[7:40] <clear`> woot
[7:40] <clear`> torgo: install vlc and tell me if it works with 1080 video :P
[7:40] <clear`> mkv!
[7:41] <torgo> wot
[7:42] <torgo> Where would I get a 1080p video
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[7:42] <torgo> Does xbmc not work?
[7:42] <clear`> just looking at different alternatives
[7:42] <clear`> i like options
[7:42] <torgo> o
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[7:43] <clear`> looks like vlc is a poor option tho
[7:43] <clear`> OMXPlayer is better suited for it
[7:43] <ParkerR_> Yep
[7:44] <clear`> but if im just doing a media center, xbmc might be my best option
[7:45] <torgo> (netsurf:292): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[7:45] <torgo> Do I need to run x?
[7:47] <ParkerR_> torgo, Run netsurf-fb
[7:48] <torgo> netsurf -fb
[7:48] <torgo> ?
[7:48] <torgo> No diff
[7:48] <ParkerR_> Thats so it doesnt need X
[7:49] <torgo> netsurf -f -b 16 -w 1280 -h 720
[7:49] <ParkerR_> Nooooo
[7:50] <ParkerR_> netsurf-fb
[7:50] <ParkerR_> Thats the program
[7:50] <torgo> command not found
[7:50] <torgo> I guess I could download it
[7:50] <torgo> cept it's not in the repo
[7:50] <ParkerR_> torgo, Have you got packer installed?
[7:51] <torgo> pacman
[7:51] <ParkerR_> I know Im asking about packer
[7:51] <torgo> No :o
[7:51] <ParkerR_> Its for aur pacakes
[7:51] <ParkerR_> *packages
[7:51] <torgo> oh so netsurf-fb is in aur?
[7:51] <ParkerR_> Seems so
[7:52] <ParkerR_> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/netsurf-svn-fb-sdl/
[7:52] <torgo> dang that's a bit much for tonight I think XD
[7:52] <clear`> lmao
[7:52] <torgo> that's a whole nother part of arch I have to learn
[7:52] <clear`> ParkerR_: when you installed openelec, did you use windows or linux?
[7:53] <ParkerR_> clear`, I've done both
[7:54] <clear`> i tried both also, same results each time
[7:54] <clear`> maybe its my sd card
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[7:56] <ParkerR_> WOOHOO
[7:56] <ParkerR_> Watching some Doctor WHo with XBMC on the Pi
[7:56] <ParkerR_> In Raspibian
[7:56] <UnaClocker> :)
[7:57] <torgo> that's the coolest thing ever
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[7:58] <torgo> wait... which doctor
[7:58] <ParkerR_> Tennant
[7:58] <torgo> sweet
[7:58] <akiwiguy> eccleston best doctor
[7:58] <torgo> I agree
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[7:58] <torgo> wish they would have made more with him
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[7:59] <akiwiguy> yeah
[7:59] <ParkerR_> I liked him a lot
[7:59] <torgo> btw can anyone tell me wtf is alonsey??
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[7:59] <ParkerR_> ?
[7:59] <torgo> Parker how many episodes have you watched?
[8:00] <ParkerR_> I'm up to season 4 mimicking lady epsiode
[8:00] <torgo> k then you've seen the one where rose's mom is on the tardis
[8:00] <torgo> and the dr is all making fun of her
[8:00] <ParkerR_> Yeah
[8:01] <torgo> and saying things like "alonsey oh no not alonsey"
[8:01] <torgo> and I've heard ppl quote that episode but I don't get it
[8:01] <ParkerR_> Umm
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[8:01] <ParkerR_> I think it was just an accent on a normal word
[8:01] <torgo> oh haha
[8:01] <torgo> I swear I've heard it tho somewhere else...
[8:01] <torgo> oh well, nitey nite
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[8:08] <torgo> ParkerR_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Doctor
[8:08] <torgo> and it's allons-y!
[8:08] <torgo> :)
[8:08] <ParkerR_> clear`, Hmm arrow keys, enter, work but typing in text fields does not. Had to use a litle program on my computer to get to my episoed
[8:09] <torgo> was not an easy thing to find not knowing how to spell it and all
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[8:09] <ParkerR_> *episode
[8:10] <torgo> Ok I'm rly going to sleep now just had to clear that up or I would be up all nite
[8:10] <torgo> having nighmares
[8:10] <torgo> about alonsey
[8:10] <torgo> byte
[8:10] <torgo> bye*
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[8:22] <clear`> ParkerR_: do you have a /boot/config.txt
[8:23] <ParkerR_> Yes...
[8:23] <clear`> did you create it or when you setup raspbian, it created it?
[8:24] <clear`> i have nothing in the boot dir
[8:24] <ParkerR_> Umm
[8:24] <ParkerR_> You should definitely have stuff in /boot
[8:24] <ParkerR_> GGGAAAAAHHH
[8:25] <ParkerR_> The season 4 Midnight episode irks me in every way because of the herd mentality
[8:27] <clear`> can you pastebin your config.txt
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[8:31] <ParkerR_> clear`, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7Ad5njkQ
[8:31] <clear`> ty
[8:31] <clear`> i created the config.txt and it worked
[8:31] <clear`> so thats good
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[8:43] <clear`> how do i load movies from my usb hard drive in xbmc
[8:46] <ParkerR_> clear`, The drive has to be mounted in the OS
[8:46] <ParkerR_> Or if you are using Openelec it should automatically
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[8:46] <ParkerR_> And in that case just go to Videos > Files
[8:49] <clear`> im using raspbian, i dont see it mounted
[8:49] <clear`> like in system, storage
[8:49] <ParkerR_> clear`, Type dmesg | tail
[8:49] <clear`> i dont see the drive
[8:50] <ParkerR_> And see what device it is recognized as
[8:50] <ParkerR_> Somethin like sdc
[8:50] <ParkerR_> or sdb
[8:50] <clear`> ok i will need to take the sd card back out so i can boot into the OS
[8:53] <clear`> dont think this will work, no usb mouse when i plug in the keyboard and hard drive =X
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[9:01] <clear`> ok so it shows in file manager, /media/External Backup/
[9:02] <clear`> ParkerR_: dmseg | tail = bash dmseg command not found!
[9:02] <clear`> er
[9:03] <clear`> maybe if i spell it right :P
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[9:06] <ParkerR_> Haha
[9:07] <clear`> so when i hold shift to do the pipe, i get ~
[9:07] <clear`> and i cant find the key to do the pipe
[9:07] <clear`> fml
[9:07] <ParkerR_> clear`, Above \
[9:07] <clear`> backspace?
[9:08] <ParkerR_> \
[9:08] <ParkerR_> ^That key
[9:08] <clear`> yes
[9:08] <ParkerR_> Shift + \
[9:08] <clear`> when i hold shift + \ = ~
[9:08] <clear`> lol
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[9:08] <clear`> not |
[9:08] <ParkerR_> Hmm
[9:08] <ParkerR_> clear`, You doing this via SSH?
[9:09] <clear`> terminal in raspbian
[9:09] <ParkerR_> Ahh I was just gonna say copy pasta :P
[9:09] <clear`> yea ;\
[9:09] <clear`> might be my best option it seems
[9:11] <clear`> ok i dont see it listed in dmesg | tail
[9:11] <clear`> but i see it in file manager
[9:11] <clear`> weird
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[9:14] <clear`> [ 7.108021] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 1250263728 512-byte logical blocks: (640 GB/596 GiB)
[9:14] <clear`> sda
[9:14] <ParkerR_> Ok
[9:14] <ParkerR_> clear`, sudo mkdir /media/externa
[9:14] <ParkerR_> *external
[9:15] <ParkerR_> Then sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/external
[9:15] <ParkerR_> KABLAAAAMM
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[9:16] <clear`> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/external busy
[9:16] <clear`> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is mounted on /media/External Backup
[9:17] <ParkerR_> Oh then it auto mounted
[9:17] <ParkerR_> All is good
[9:17] <ParkerR_> Just browse to that location in XBMC
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[9:17] <clear`> i couldnt find it in xbmc
[9:18] <clear`> reloading xbmc now
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[9:18] <ParkerR_> clear`, Video > Files > Add videos > Browse > Root (maybe called soething different)
[9:19] <ParkerR_> Also htop just got cooler http://withg.org/parkerlreed/stress.png
[9:20] <clear`> htop?
[9:20] <ParkerR_> Process monitor
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[9:20] <ParkerR_> One of the best
[9:20] <ParkerR_> Milos, Wb
[9:21] <clear`> oh
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[9:27] <clear`> ParkerR_: looks like when xbmc loads, it doenst mount the external drive
[9:27] <clear`> i had to ssh in and mount it
[9:28] <ParkerR_> clear`, Wait
[9:28] <ParkerR_> Is this ion the same Raspbian install?
[9:28] <ParkerR_> *on
[9:28] <clear`> yea
[9:28] <ParkerR_> It should still be mounted
[9:28] <clear`> it wasnt
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[9:38] <brady2600> ok raspbian, does it have python installed by default?
[9:39] <clear`> my install has python
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[9:42] <clear`> http://www.raspbian.org/HelpOnUpdatingPython
[9:46] <TAFB_ssd> any uboot experts awake? :(
[9:47] <clear`> nope
[9:47] <clear`> going to bed now
[9:47] <clear`> nn
[9:47] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[9:47] <TAFB_ssd> nite nite
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[9:50] <Coburn> uboot help, TAFB_ssd?
[9:50] <Coburn> What's the issue
[9:51] <TAFB_ssd> I want to upgrade my kernel, on my little sheeva plug/seagate box
[9:51] <TAFB_ssd> to do it, I need to update uboot
[9:51] <TAFB_ssd> not going well so far. I've bricked and un-bricked my sata box twice now :(
[9:51] <Coburn> Uh
[9:51] <Coburn> Not really
[9:52] <Coburn> All you need to do is just find the right addresses to load the kernel to and then write to
[9:52] <Coburn> You can update uBoot
[9:52] <TAFB_ssd> the problem is, the kernel in this thing is in a ramdrive file called uImage
[9:52] <Coburn> but you risk a brick
[9:52] <Coburn> Yeah
[9:52] <Coburn> What you do is
[9:52] <Coburn> you load uImage off a device, USB or HDD
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[9:53] <Coburn> into memory, say 0x0800000
[9:53] <Coburn> then you write the contents of uImage into a partition
[9:53] <Coburn> I've done it before. I've been working with SheevaPlugs, and updated kernels numerous times
[9:53] <TAFB_ssd> freaky!
[9:54] <TAFB_ssd> I've tried following these instructions: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3355
[9:54] <Coburn> http://www.dl8rds.de/index.php/Seagate_Freeagent_Dockstar
[9:54] <Coburn> I believe that's the product, no?
[9:54] <TAFB_ssd> after I update uboot, when I reboot my box, and I ssh in, I get the uboot OS/prompt!
[9:54] <TAFB_ssd> I have a Seagate GoFlex Home
[9:55] <TAFB_ssd> when I originally rooted and flashed this, I did it all with putty, worked fine. http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-goflex-home#qt-platform_tabs-ui-tabs3
[9:56] <TAFB_ssd> after I follow the instructions in the first link I gave ya, when it reboots, it's just at ubit OS/prompt :(
[9:56] <Coburn> oh
[9:56] <TAFB_ssd> I have NC working so I can see the boot/kernel messages.
[9:56] <Coburn> then bootcmd possibly got hosed
[9:57] <Coburn> what happens when you type 'boot'
[9:57] <Coburn> pastebin an printenv too
[9:57] <TAFB_ssd> I can restore it back to booting perfectly by running ./ubit_start and it regens uboot in nand.
[9:58] <TAFB_ssd> i have it up and working now, you want to see printenv right now?
[9:58] <Coburn> sure
[9:59] <TAFB_ssd> k. this is the regular printenv: http://pastie.org/pastes/5596561/text
[9:59] <TAFB_ssd> and I'll get ya the big monster uboot one in a sec.
[10:01] <TAFB_ssd> here is fw_printenv: http://pastie.org/pastes/5596565/text
[10:01] <TAFB_ssd> you see the line "arcNumber=3338"?
[10:01] <Coburn> yeah
[10:01] <TAFB_ssd> when I run the uboot update, it deletes everything under that line, and sets everything to USB boot.
[10:02] <brady2600> $file_RaspberryPiTime = fopen("raspberrypi/RaspberryPiTime", "r") or exit("RaspberryPiTime file not found!");
[10:02] <TAFB_ssd> so I have to manually setenv back to sata for everything.
[10:02] <brady2600> ok instead of or exit
[10:02] <brady2600> is there some alternative to exit that i could use to just print the error
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[10:02] <Coburn> yeah
[10:02] <Coburn> wait
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[10:02] <Coburn> you should be doing
[10:02] <brady2600> i dont want the file not being available to necessarily kill the whole page
[10:03] <brady2600> which is what happens now if i have one of many missing
[10:03] <TAFB_ssd> brady2600: is that PHP?
[10:03] <brady2600> yeah
[10:03] <brady2600> maybe i could change it to printf ?
[10:03] <Coburn> if(file_exists("raspberrypi/RaspberryPiTime")){ // do stuff here } else { print "Raspberry Pi doesn't have a clock. It's 0/0/0000! <br>"; }
[10:03] <Coburn> That's better than or exit
[10:04] <Coburn> also, you can use file_get_contents
[10:04] <Coburn> that returns it as a nice string
[10:04] <Coburn> just do like this
[10:04] <Coburn> trim(file_get_contents("filename"));
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[10:09] <xrosnight> anyone's here? why does my Rasp Pi Die when i plugged my USB-wifi stick into it? why ???
[10:09] <TAFB_ssd> too much power draw, voltage drop spike
[10:09] <xrosnight> everytime even when booting
[10:09] <TAFB_ssd> yep
[10:09] <TAFB_ssd> can't hot plug usb ish in the pi
[10:09] <rymate1234> xrosnight, not enough power
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[10:09] <rymate1234> keep the stick plugged in
[10:10] <xrosnight> rymate1234: i have a 5V 1A adapter
[10:10] <xrosnight> yeah. then what rymate1234
[10:10] <rymate1234> xrosnight, plug in the stick before booting
[10:10] <rymate1234> i.e. plug it in before powering the Pi on
[10:10] <xrosnight> rymate1234: it dies when booting with the stick plugged in
[10:10] <Coburn> xrosnight: your r-pi is giving up the magic smoke, ask for returns department
[10:10] <rymate1234> hmmm
[10:10] <rymate1234> xrosnight, get a powered USB hub
[10:10] <TAFB_ssd> xrosnight: check your TP1/TP2 voltage during boot, i suspect crappy microUSB cable
[10:11] <rymate1234> I power my pi and my usb devices via my powered usb hub
[10:11] <Coburn> !
[10:11] <xrosnight> TAFB_ssd: I 've checked . it's about 5.06 Voltages
[10:11] <Coburn> You run the Pi off a USB power?
[10:11] <Coburn> hub*
[10:11] <rymate1234> powered usb hub, ye
[10:11] <rymate1234> works quite well
[10:11] <TAFB_ssd> xrosnight: you've check it while the pi is booting, and look for drops?
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[10:12] <xrosnight> let me check it now TAFB_ssd. the 5V is measured when it is without usb-wifi
[10:13] <rymate1234> the usb hub gives me 5 volts and TWO amps!
[10:14] <Coburn> I have a USB Hub with 7 ports running off a 2 Amp adapter
[10:14] <Coburn> Would that work? Or would I need a 3A adapter?
[10:14] <rymate1234> Coburn, you could try it
[10:15] <Coburn> 285mA per por
[10:15] <Coburn> port*
[10:15] <Coburn> :-|
[10:15] <brady2600> i believe my raspberry pi is running off of 1.5 amps
[10:15] <brady2600> i could check if you like
[10:15] <rymate1234> my hub only has 4 portds
[10:15] <rymate1234> *ports
[10:16] <Coburn> Well... uh
[10:16] <Coburn> I have a red PWR light
[10:16] <Coburn> and an OK light flickering on and off
[10:16] <brady2600> this thing is a wallwart usb 5volt , it was originally used with a android phone
[10:17] <brady2600> humm.. i think 285mA per port might not be enough
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[10:17] <brady2600> thats like.. a fraction of an amp
[10:18] <Coburn> Well, ok
[10:18] <Coburn> It seems to have handled the thing comfortably
[10:19] <Coburn> Given that I am charging my HD2 off that usb port, a laptop cooler, wifi mouse and keyboard
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi peeps!
[10:20] <TAFB_ssd> mornin gordon :)
[10:21] <xrosnight> well. it doesn't work . if it stops during logging in, when it boots with a usb-wifi stick plugged in. and keyboard doesn't work :(
[10:21] <Coburn> gordon freeman? is that you?
[10:21] <Coburn> :P
[10:21] <TAFB_ssd> Coburn: any ideas on my goflex upgrade?
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> Coburn, I'm not freeman...
[10:23] <xrosnight> TAFB_ssd: the voltage is around 5 V . 4.96 - 5.03 V
[10:23] <TAFB_ssd> voltage sounds fine
[10:24] <xrosnight> yeah:(
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> sunday breakfast time. back inna bit.
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[10:38] <melonipoika> Hi everyone
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[10:40] <melonipoika> i i have a vnc server running on my pi on display 0 and I am connected to it on my laptop
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[10:41] <melonipoika> but when i run a qt app, it only shows the output on the physical hdmi display, it doesn't show anything on the vnc
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[10:43] <melonipoika> any ideas?
[10:50] <Lobs> melonipoika: maybe those apps are using 3d textures and layers, which vnc cant capture.
[10:50] <melonipoika> right...
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[10:51] <melonipoika> ok, will see if i can dissable 3d textures in qt creator somehow... thanks for the tip :-)
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[10:52] <|Jeroen|> hi
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[11:28] <Gadgetoid> Weird, ULN22425 does not exist!
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[11:39] <BurtyB> just call it a KA22425 instead ;)
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[11:45] <Gadgetoid> BurtyB: same ic?
[11:45] <BurtyB> no idea since the one you wanted can't be found ;)
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[11:48] <Gadgetoid> BurtyB: Haha, nah KA22425 is a 30pin radio package, I'm going to hazard a guess that this is some sort of transistor array
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[11:49] <BurtyB> Gadgetoid, awe
[11:49] <Gadgetoid> Shame, as a radio IC would have been fun for a while
[11:50] <Gadgetoid> That said, I've got to solder up the ladder board today!
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[11:57] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: the quick2wire kit looks scary :D
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[12:08] <timsche> Is there any expansion board existing that has a DVB-S coaxial interface?
[12:09] <jacekowski> USB probably
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[12:09] <jacekowski> https://www.technisat.com/en_XX/SkyStar-USB-HD/352-2675-1648/?article=4109/3734
[12:10] <jacekowski> something like that will probably work
[12:11] <timsche> well thx but I'm looking for a real expansion board that i can solder or stick onto a dev-board like rasp or beagle
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hi! I've built mine up - http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w-1.jpg and http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w-2.jpg
[12:17] <ChubZee> morning all, ive just ordered a tevii s660 usb dvb-s2 tuner for my rpi, does anyone have any experience wih dvb-s2? im planning on running it with xbmc on raspbmc and using tvheadend, was wondering if there are any pitfalls to look out for
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it's a PITA with the resistors - they're 1/8th watt - and the PBC is laid out for 1/4 watt, so bending the legs to the right lengths is tricky.
[12:18] <ChubZee> ive currently got a dvb-t tuner set up running nicely bu am worried that HD content might be too much for it to handle
[12:18] <ikonia> people seem very interested in using their PI's as xmbc servers, do they really have the grunt for this ?
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> ikonia, yes. the gpu does the hard work of decoding/displaying - that's what it was originally designed for.
[12:19] <ikonia> but isn't the onboard gpu quite low in terms of performance
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> ikonia, it was designed as a set top box. it was designed to decode/display 1080p HD video.
[12:20] <ikonia> really, so the gpu is actaully designed to deal with 1080p
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:20] <ikonia> pleasent surprise
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> before it was a raspberry Pi, then SoC was (still is) a set top box SoC.
[12:21] <ikonia> I wonder if that opens the door for other things by utilizing the gpu
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> ikonia, other than OpenGL ES, not yet.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> ikonia, so it can play Quake 3 and other games that use OpenGLES, but not much more, however there are projects to reverse engineer it.
[12:21] <ikonia> still an interesting thing to learn
[12:22] <ikonia> didn't realise it had that level of grunt in the cpu
[12:22] <ikonia> gpu
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> this has been public knowledge for about a year now...
[12:22] <ikonia> I've only just got my pi's though
[12:22] <ikonia> so I'm still new/investigating
[12:23] <Coburn> I thought the R-Pi was originally a smart phone PCB?
[12:23] <Coburn> The actual CPU/GPU combo
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> Coburn, no - the pbc was designed for the Pi, the SoC is a set top box -
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> hence no proper low-power modes, etc.
[12:24] <Coburn> well in that case
[12:24] <Coburn> I thought somewhere in the dev entries that the BCM2708 chip was intended for smartphones
[12:24] <Coburn> but anyway.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> the differences are probably minor though.
[12:25] <ikonia> it's got a broadcom chip in it ?
[12:25] <Coburn> As long as we can use the GPU for Xorg acceleration
[12:25] <Coburn> ikonia: Broadcom is the heart and soul of the r-pi
[12:25] <Coburn> Eben works there
[12:25] <ikonia> I didn't know that either
[12:25] * gordonDrogon things ikonia has been living in a cave for the past year ;-)
[12:26] <Coburn> Also, R-Pi sucks if you're doing heavy LAN I/O and USB I/O
[12:26] <Coburn> It bogs down
[12:26] <PhotoJim> most sub-$300 computers suck if you do heavy LAN and USB I/O :)
[12:26] * Coburn coughs
[12:26] <ikonia> gordonDrogon: in terms of pi, I have, I've only just found an interest in the pi
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> something you don't normally do in a STB scenario, so while possible, not much through was put it to that side of it...
[12:26] <Coburn> Atom is a hoke
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> ikonia, you're in the right place though!
[12:27] <Coburn> joke*
[12:27] <ikonia> the lan and usb share the same bus, so it's not unexpected
[12:27] <Coburn> if it was me
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> there is only one USB coming out of the SoC...
[12:27] <Coburn> I'd put a dedicated LAN chip in
[12:27] <ikonia> gordonDrogon: bought a couple of the second generation ones to play with just before christmas so thought I'd have a look through the forums/irc channels see what people where up to
[12:27] <Coburn> say
[12:27] <Coburn> realtek
[12:27] <Coburn> or something
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> Coburn, that would need a 'bus' of some sort out of the SoC and there isn't one..
[12:28] <Coburn> ditch the SoC and make a new one
[12:28] <Coburn> BCM2709
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> ikonia, there's loads of resources online now - start at http://raspberrypi.org/ and go from there!
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> Coburn, ??? ...
[12:28] <ikonia> gordonDrogon: it's already bookmarked
[12:28] <Coburn> Stop if you see smoke
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[12:28] <Coburn> what, gordonDrogon? your text came up as ?? marks
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> Coburn, pound signs. Shift-3's on my keyboard.
[12:29] <Coburn> oh
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> pound: ?, dollar: $, euro: ?, Yen: ?
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> Ohm: ??
[12:30] <Coburn> Hand on
[12:30] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: puzzlement: ? :)
[12:30] <Coburn> Hang*
[12:30] <Coburn> I'll get a screeshot
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> no need...
[12:30] <PhotoJim> those characters come up fine for me. UTF-8 no doubt.
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> it's not important (to me)
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> yea, utf-8 here.
[12:30] <akiwiguy> yay utf-8
[12:31] <Coburn> http://i.imgur.com/LCaS3.png
[12:31] <Coburn> This is what I see
[12:32] <PhotoJim> Coburn: you likely need to fully deploy UTF-8 as your character set to see those characters, then.
[12:32] <PhotoJim> Works easily for me under Linux, not so well under Windows.
[12:33] <PhotoJim> Don't seriously run OS X so can't comment there.
[12:33] <Coburn> meh, likely KVIRC issue
[12:33] <akiwiguy> (He)xChat's UTF-8 support is bad.
[12:33] <akiwiguy> KVIRC is worse.
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[12:35] <Coburn> > OS X
[12:35] <Coburn> Oh please
[12:35] <Coburn> that bloated thing
[12:35] <Coburn> Not bashing but base OS takes more space up than windows
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm using xchat. utf-8 seems fine here.
[12:36] <Coburn> My friend is a Mac user
[12:36] <|Jeroen|> kick him
[12:36] <akiwiguy> I liek OS X.
[12:36] <|Jeroen|> or make him install linux on it
[12:36] <akiwiguy> Nothing wrong with it.
[12:36] <Coburn> he /always/ complains why he can't copy stuff to NTFS
[12:36] <Coburn> then I complain why is his crap in HFS
[12:36] <akiwiguy> Hackintosh user here. And I can do stuff with NTFS just fine.
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> virtually 100% Linux here.
[12:36] <Coburn> yeah, but he's not as smart as you
[12:37] <akiwiguy> I usually use Linux, too.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> I have a laptop I can boot into XP should I need it.
[12:37] <Coburn> he has an true apple mac
[12:37] <akiwiguy> Arch everywhere, FTW.
[12:37] <Coburn> I'm going to use Linux for 2013 work machine
[12:37] <Coburn> have windows 7 on standby
[12:37] <akiwiguy> Hackintosh was up until it died a horrible death when the motherboard kicked it.
[12:37] <Coburn> should I need it
[12:37] <akiwiguy> Laptop has Windows 8 and Arch dualboot
[12:37] <Coburn> I'd go Hackintosh but no AMD love
[12:37] <akiwiguy> since I need Windows/Office for school, bastards
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[12:38] <akiwiguy> Firewall authentication helper only runs on Windows and Mac
[12:39] <akiwiguy> And all documents are in Word format. Everything.
[12:39] <Coburn> OpenOffice?
[12:39] <akiwiguy> They won't let me submit anything in ODT
[12:40] <Coburn> LibreOffice
[12:40] <akiwiguy> and [Open|Libre]Office's export is crap
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[12:40] <Coburn> Abiword?
[12:40] <akiwiguy> worse if you're doing any amount of formatting
[12:40] <Coburn> Even better
[12:41] <Coburn> VirtualBox Windows
[12:41] <Coburn> boot that up
[12:41] <Coburn> when done, just suspend it and close
[12:41] <akiwiguy> in the past i've done everything in just text, manually drawing tables using |- characters and using GhostScript to export to PDF before sending
[12:41] <akiwiguy> lol VMs
[12:41] <fortytwo> Export everything to PDF when submitting stuff, pretty sure open/libre office can do that
[12:41] <akiwiguy> not on a single core Celeron
[12:41] <akiwiguy> this is my laptop
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> plain text FTW.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> although I use LaTeX. It does tables, etc.
[12:42] <Coburn> Markup, anyone?
[12:42] <Coburn> Although I use BBCode...
[12:42] <akiwiguy> Eugh. I tried LaTeX. Gave up.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I've been using it for almost 25 years now..
[12:43] <akiwiguy> i haven't even existed for that long
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> I guess you get used to it. I really just have a small number of templates I modify though.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> e.g. this is all done in LaTeX: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb.pdf
[12:44] <rymate1234> LaTeX?
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[12:44] <Coburn> been computing in linux since I was a kid
[12:44] <fortytwo> I've handed in purely plain text work before and not had problems, admittedly that was for a subject from the computer engineering faculty though
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, it's a text formatting package.
[12:44] <fortytwo> They tend to like simplicity
[12:44] <Coburn> cried when Debian 3 wouldn't give me a pretty GUI
[12:44] <rymate1234> lol
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> Coburn, I've been into computing since I was a kit too - but that was 35+ years ago...
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[12:44] <Coburn> Xorg didn't have driver for my hardware, a 82845GL chipset
[12:45] <Coburn> I'm 19
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> Coburn, debian 3? ah yes, early Linux & graphics card - was a bit hit & miss...
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> Debian 3 was Woody I think.
[12:45] <Coburn> Sarge...
[12:46] <Coburn> Potato -> Woody -> Sarge -> etch -> lenny -> wheezy -> sid -> experimental -> failtastic -> ???
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> I've just upgraded a server from etch to lenny to sid.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> I still have one server on Woody and one on Sarge.
[12:47] <Coburn> that's old
[12:47] <rymate1234> wat
[12:47] <Coburn> Debian 2.0
[12:48] <Coburn> 486 machine?
[12:48] <rymate1234> gordonDrogon, why?
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[12:48] <rymate1234> might I ask
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> it's actually a virtual server now, not on real hardware.
[12:48] <Coburn> lol
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> why? Dunno - it's running a captive application that doesn't need changing.
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> it just sits there, doing its thing - the client doesn't want/need upgrades...
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> Hm. coffee time.
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[13:00] <xrosnight1> hey guys how do you think of this name : febling :)
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> name for what?
[13:00] <Phrewfuf> i would certainly not name my kid like that
[13:00] <xrosnight1> gordonDrogon: for nothing, what do you think of it, when you read it
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[13:01] <xrosnight1> Phrewfuf: haha :D
[13:01] <Phrewfuf> xrosnight1: sounds too much like fapling
[13:01] <Phrewfuf> or faplink
[13:01] <Phrewfuf> just use apg -n 1 for names
[13:01] <|Jeroen|> woot, got my xbmc cpu usage down to 15%
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[13:02] <Phrewfuf> |Jeroen|: HOW? O_O
[13:02] <xrosnight1> Phrewfuf: yeah. b sounds like p
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[13:02] <xrosnight1> apg -n 1 for names ??
[13:02] <|Jeroen|> 3 things, turn off webserver, turn off common cache plugin, and dirty rendering to 3
[13:02] <|Jeroen|> dunno if the rendering is needed
[13:02] <Phrewfuf> xrosnight1: yeah, execute "apg -n 1" on a linux box
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[13:03] <Phrewfuf> |Jeroen|: great, will try it out today
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[13:03] <Phrewfuf> xrosnight1: that's how i got my nickname
[13:03] <Phrewfuf> first hit with apg :D
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[13:05] <|Jeroen|> yeah and the menu's feel a lot faster
[13:05] <Coburn> turyeth3
[13:05] <Coburn> That's my new one
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[13:06] <Coburn> DuffargUf <- simpsons reference?
[13:06] <Coburn> anyway, g'nite
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[13:10] <martk100> To make my desktop icons open with single click Do I have to modify rc.xml or is there another way?
[13:19] <xrosnight1> how do you guys think of this name : Ayamid :D
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[13:23] <sundancer> hi there
[13:24] <sundancer> anyone experiencing this?
[13:24] <sundancer> git.drogon.net[0: 2a00:ce0:2:feed:beef:cafe:0:3]: errno=Connection timed out
[13:24] <sundancer> git.drogon.net[1:]: errno=Connection refused
[13:24] <sundancer> gordonDrogon
[13:24] <sundancer> you might want to check your git service :)
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[13:25] <gordonDrogon> hi
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> sundancer, why? What's up?
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> a-ha.
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[13:25] <biberao> hi
[13:25] <sundancer> gordonDrogon http://pastebin.com/UVdxnBEH
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> bother. I had to reboot that server last night.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> brb.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[13:26] <sundancer> np :)
[13:27] <biberao> on my tv when i do omxplayer -o hdmi movie
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[13:27] <biberao> instead of black bars i get blue bars
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[13:27] <biberao> is there a way to hide either the terminal output or the bars to make it all black?
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[13:31] <biberao> ok its working by itself
[13:31] <biberao> lol
[13:31] <biberao> i dont know how
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[13:36] <scummos> huh? what terminal output, and make what all black?
[13:37] <biberao> scummos: when playing a movie the extar bars on the movie
[13:37] <biberao> you know
[13:37] <Phrewfuf> scummos: i think he means the same that i had with XBMC on raspbian
[13:37] <biberao> when HD
[13:37] <Phrewfuf> 16:9 video on 16:10 screen should have some black bars atop and below the video
[13:37] <scummos> ah ok
[13:37] <scummos> sorry, can't help there :)
[13:37] <Phrewfuf> mine weren't black, but had console output, because xbmc-standalone just worte to framebuffer
[13:38] <Phrewfuf> though it fixed itself magically, too
[13:38] <biberao> mine too
[13:38] <biberao> magically
[13:38] <biberao> lol
[13:38] <Phrewfuf> still wondering, what i did that it works fine now
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[13:41] <biberao> ya
[13:42] <biberao> i need to convert the subs to utf8
[13:42] <biberao> also
[13:42] <biberao> Phrewfuf: can you ssh xmbc?
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> sundancer, thanks. ought to be fine now.
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[13:54] <Phrewfuf> how do you mean, ssh xbmc? i can ssh onto the Pi that is, but it has nothing to do with xbmc ??o
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[13:56] <Gadgetoid> Just realised I was vacuuming up fake pine needles from the fake Christmas tree...
[13:56] <Phrewfuf> :D
[13:56] <biberao> lol
[13:56] <Phrewfuf> Gadgetoid: could've put a realy one there after all, hm?
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> progress!
[13:56] <Phrewfuf> real*
[13:57] <Gadgetoid> Phrewfuf: this is true, and it would have smelt nice!
[13:57] <Phrewfuf> indeed...but on the other hand...fake pinetrees becoming so lifelike :D
[13:57] <Phrewfuf> "now with real fake falling fake pine needles"
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[14:02] <dennistlg> anyone know a bit about uart connctions?
[14:03] <dennistlg> i like to connect my pi to a router ( broadcom soc) with uart to monitor the boot messages.
[14:03] <dennistlg> from the router soc
[14:04] <dennistlg> but in minicom and picocom i only have signs i cant read.
[14:04] <Gadgetoid> Anyone work for Dell and want to give me a 95% discount?:D
[14:04] <dennistlg> :-D
[14:04] <dennistlg> me too?
[14:04] <dennistlg> like to buy a new laptop
[14:04] <Gadgetoid> Worth a shot!
[14:05] <Gadgetoid> I'm selling mountains of stuff to try and save for a gaming PC??? I've decided there isn't enough high-definition, texture-packed Skyrim in my life
[14:05] <Gadgetoid> Also would be nice to have a machine dual booting linux for Pi-hacking
[14:05] <Gadgetoid> See how I suddenly made this thread of conversation relevant???? although I'm thinking VirtualBox will probably suffice
[14:06] <dennistlg> whats your actual machine?
[14:06] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: hoping to solder up the ladder today, should be good practise!
[14:06] <biberao> Gadgetoid: ill give you 105%
[14:06] <Gadgetoid> dennistlg: I currently use an old MacBook Pro
[14:07] <dennistlg> oh
[14:08] <Gadgetoid> biberao: Haha I've seen the 10% off code, but I know they can do better
[14:09] <Gadgetoid> Their commission is 6% from cashback sites, so the underlying commission must be 8-10%
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[14:09] <Gadgetoid> So that makes 16% minimum!
[14:10] <Gadgetoid> A further 25% awesome bonus for awesomeness on my part??? I suspect??? just need some way of making rainbows fire out of their end of the phone
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[14:17] <biberao> hey
[14:17] <biberao> anyone knows a software like xibo
[14:17] <biberao> for raspberry pi?
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[14:19] <RemkoM> hello room.
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[14:19] <RemkoM> anyone has experience running subsonic on raspbmc?
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[14:22] <RemkoM> i get: Started Subsonic [PID 3768, /var/subsonic/subsonic_sh.log] . ok
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[14:22] <RemkoM> but when i restart i get :Restarting Subsonic Daemon: subsonicstart-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 3768: No such process
[14:25] <RemkoM> and the log file stays empty so i dont have a qlue where to look for feedback
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[14:26] <RemkoM> clue..
[14:28] <biberao> hey
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[14:28] <biberao> anyone ever tried targetr digital signage solution?
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[14:39] <pecorade> Hi.
[14:41] <|Jeroen|> hi
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[14:49] <RemkoM> hello
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[14:59] <ugg> with 3.6.11+ and cma enabled the mm seems confused. It shows large values for free, and small values for buffer and cache. The values are normal when cma is disabled. I have 512m. running with cma makes the device VERY laggy - I've even had ooms...
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[15:02] <ugg> Its easy to see the mm confusion by booting with cma, running vmstat 10 1000, and watching the number. Then turn of cma and reboot and repeat the command. /proc/vc-cma is reporting reasonable numbers given my (default) cma settings
[15:03] <ugg> its like something thinks the device has just 256m when cma is enabled.
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[15:22] <jacekowski> ugg: sounds like disabled overcommit
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[15:23] <ugg> I'll check that. If I remember correctly that a proc (or is it sys setting). I do have swap enabled and its used
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[15:38] <ugg> jacekowski settings without cma are 0/50% with cma are also 0/50%. If its overcommit then its something in the cma setup that affects things badly
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[15:49] <biberao> hi
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[15:49] <biberao> Phrewfuf: you here?
[15:50] <biberao> is it possible to output omxplayer to another terminal
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[15:50] <biberao> i cant get ride of the messages in another tv
[15:50] <biberao> :P
[15:50] <biberao> im using wireless now and i needed the gui
[15:51] <Phosphate> Does anyone happen to know the name of the utility that pulls all images off whatever segment of ethernet you're connected to and displays them?
[15:53] <Amadiro> "segment of ethernet"?
[15:53] <Amadiro> are you referring to wget or curl?
[15:54] <Phosphate> Sort of, this is a utility kind of like wireshark but it looks for .jpg files etc and displays them
[15:54] <Phosphate> it's a passive snooping utility
[15:55] <Phosphate> used it years ago and can't remember the name of it.
[15:55] <Amadiro> Phosphate, what protocol do you want it to use
[15:55] <Amadiro> http?
[15:55] <Phosphate> It will pull from http traffic it sees yes.
[15:56] <Amadiro> I'm sure you can do that easily with wireshark, then
[15:56] <Amadiro> but there isn't much point to it, you'll only see images you download yourself
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[15:56] <Amadiro> unless you do something like ARP poisoning/DHCP racing/port-stealing
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[15:56] <Phosphate> No I'm attaching it to a tap between our border router and the ISP
[15:57] <Amadiro> yes, then it will see all the images anybody in the network downloads from the internet.
[15:57] <Phosphate> Yep
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[16:01] <biberao> anyone managed to do wpa2 without using wpa_gui?
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[16:07] <sundancer> biberao chech wpa_supplicant
[16:07] <sundancer> check
[16:08] <biberao> sundancer: any good easy tut?
[16:08] <biberao> i need to setup dhcp and such
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[16:10] <sundancer> biberao this is my setup http://pastebin.com/CNgMtHD5
[16:10] <sundancer> ssid2 is WPA2
[16:13] <biberao> sundancer: one more thing
[16:13] <biberao> please
[16:13] <sundancer> go ahead
[16:13] <biberao> do you know to hide the terminal messages when playing a movie from omxp??ayer?
[16:13] <biberao> *omxplayer
[16:14] <sundancer> i dont use omxplayer but something like: omxplayer movie.mpg > /dev/null
[16:14] <sundancer> this might help
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[16:16] <biberao> oh ok will try thanks
[16:16] <biberao> sundancer: to start wpa_supplicant i dont anything else ? Or the configs you showed me are enough for a console wireless
[16:17] <sundancer> biberao configs are from my rpi which is not hooked to monitor or tv
[16:18] <sundancer> im accessing it only via ssh (wifi connection)
[16:20] <biberao> oh nice
[16:20] <biberao> IT_Sean: yo
[16:20] <IT_Sean> yo
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[16:35] <ChubZee> afternoon all, im wondering if anyone has any experience of using a dvb-s2 usb tuner with the rpi? am running raspbmc with tvheadend and a dvb-t tuner at the min and its a great pvr but im concerned it might not handle HD
[16:36] <ChubZee> also wondering if there are any potential pitfalls i can avoid as there doesnt seem to be any info about doing this on the rpi online
[16:37] <rymate1234> ChubZee, afaik the raspberry pi can handle HD
[16:37] <rymate1234> (which is why it is hdmi capable)
[16:37] <ChubZee> the rpi can handle hd videos fine but im unsure about live HD feeds
[16:38] <Amadiro> ChubZee, the videocore doesn't care particularly where the video comes from
[16:38] <ChubZee> the usb bus seems to be a bit of a bottleneck, ive got a usb hdd attached for storage and am concerned this might cause problems
[16:38] <Amadiro> whether you stream it into it from a file or from the network shouldn't make that big of a difference, all other things ignored
[16:39] <Amadiro> whether the CPU and your USB bus can handle it, is a different matter, of course.
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[16:39] <ChubZee> its the fact the usb tuner and hdd are sharing a bus im mainly concerned about
[16:39] <herdingcat> is there anyone ever try to compile a kernel for rpi under Fedora?
[16:39] <ChubZee> sd content is fine but hd might not be
[16:39] <herdingcat> using cross-compile..
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[16:40] <rymate1234> ChubZee, you could always try it
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[16:40] <ChubZee> im going to, already ordered my dvb-s2 tuner
[16:40] <Amadiro> ChubZee, what do you want to do, get data from the tuner and also store it on disk?
[16:40] <rymate1234> and tell us how it goes :D
[16:40] <ChubZee> use the rpi as a pvr
[16:40] <ChubZee> i shall, rymate1234
[16:40] <ChubZee> might blog about it since i cant find info anywhere else
[16:41] <confuzled> is there any way to send audio TO the pi
[16:41] <confuzled> vice recieve audio from.
[16:41] <Amadiro> ChubZee, well, should not be an issue, a usb2.0 bus can easily handle a few simultaneous HD streams
[16:41] <rymate1234> confuzled, buy a usb microphone
[16:41] <rymate1234> or a usb soundcard
[16:41] <confuzled> my wife got my a theremin for christmas
[16:41] <Amadiro> confuzled, receive audio in what way?
[16:42] <confuzled> it only has 1/4inch audio out
[16:42] <confuzled> i wonder if thereis a 1/4inch to usb adapter
[16:42] * confuzled is a nerd
[16:42] * confuzled owns a theremin
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[16:42] <Amadiro> yes, that's called a ADC aka soundcard
[16:43] <Amadiro> I use a Sound Blaster Live! USB stick on my pi, which works fine -- although I haven't tested input, only output
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[16:44] <confuzled> looks like they are about 20 bucks
[16:44] <Amadiro> sounds about right
[16:44] <confuzled> i wonder if it woudl also work for the rocksmith ps3 game?
[16:44] <confuzled> (basically rock band with a real guitar
[16:45] <Amadiro> once you have an audio input, you can certainly feed sound into it from whereever you want
[16:45] <confuzled> i hear there is some unavoidable lag when converting a to d
[16:45] <Amadiro> assuming your ps3 outputs minijack
[16:45] <Amadiro> there's no intrinsic lag in converting analog to digital, no
[16:45] <confuzled> well i am tyrying to kill two birds with one stone, i guess the ps3 needs a hercules adapter
[16:46] <Amadiro> but lag is introduced by things like processing, the USB bus, et cetera
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[16:47] <Hopsy> How much does a probe cost?
[16:47] <Amadiro> oscilloscope probe?
[16:47] <Hopsy> ultrasound probe
[16:48] <Amadiro> anywhere between "10$" and "a shitton of money" depending on what you want to do with it
[16:48] <confuzled> thats what i meant Amadiro, no lag gfrom the conversion, but in the hardware typically used to convert
[16:48] <confuzled> (ie usb and what not)
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[16:48] <Amadiro> the medicinal type of probe doctors use probably cost a lot
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[16:49] <confuzled> i fear that this theremin is going to be akin to learning the violin, for the first three months every ong sounds the same....
[16:49] <confuzled> like hot garbage
[16:49] <Hopsy> Amadiro: http://stores.bonmil.com/-strse-2/Interson-SeeMore-USB-Portable/Detail.bok :(
[16:49] <confuzled> but i figure if anything, the pi is probably the coolest nerdy way to record the sound
[16:49] <Hopsy> 8 thousand dollars
[16:49] <Amadiro> confuzled, thanksfully human perception is really slow, so even lag in the order of milliseconds is typically unnoticeable to humans
[16:49] <Amadiro> for recording, lag does not matter anyway
[16:49] <Hopsy> thats 5974.89 Euro
[16:50] <confuzled> well when you add the lag of the hdmi interfact, plus screen lag
[16:50] <Amadiro> confuzled, what do you want to do, take the sound from the input and send it via HDMI to some screen?
[16:50] <confuzled> it gets noticeable. even if not truly precieved, but since you know the rhythm of the song, you anticipate the beat which makes it seem laggy
[16:50] <Amadiro> or visualize it on-screen?
[16:50] <confuzled> i want to do two things
[16:51] <Amadiro> keeping the beat is typically no problem as long as you're under like 5ms
[16:51] <Amadiro> 5ms and up makes me notice a delay
[16:51] <confuzled> one...record music from my theremin,
[16:51] <Amadiro> 10ms or so and I tend to lose my rythm
[16:51] <confuzled> two, connect my guitar to my pc (or ps3) so that i can play rocksmith
[16:51] <Hopsy> with that money I can buy 200 raspberrypi's
[16:51] <Hopsy> why isnt there a project to create low priced ultraound probe's
[16:51] <confuzled> trying to find one cable that will do both
[16:52] <confuzled> im sure YOU (by you i mean someone) coudl create one
[16:52] <Amadiro> confuzled, well, as I said, for recording, lag does not matter anyway
[16:52] <confuzled> stemming from the basic principles behing ultrasonic imaging
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[16:52] <Hopsy> the most expensive section is the piezoelectricity-cristal
[16:52] <confuzled> yes, for recording it doesnt matter, because there will be no real time baseline
[16:52] <Amadiro> confuzled, and why would you need the rpi inbetween the guitar and the pc to play rocksmith?
[16:53] <confuzled> i wouldnt, but i assume the same cable woudl be used to connect from theremin to pi, and guitar to ps3
[16:53] <confuzled> 1/4 audio to usb
[16:54] <Amadiro> confuzled, it looks to me like the game allows you to just plug any guitar or theremin directly into your ps3 and then play
[16:54] <ParkerR_> confuzled, Those are a lot of times just USB sound devices
[16:54] <ParkerR_> They work on PCs too
[16:54] <Amadiro> so there is no need for either a soundcard or a pi inbetween
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[16:55] <confuzled> well i doubt the thermin would work on rocksmith lol
[16:55] <confuzled> hold on...totally differnt projects
[16:55] <Amadiro> well, if it doesn't, putting a pi inbetween won't make it any better
[16:55] <confuzled> i want to record theremin music for personal use
[16:55] <confuzled> not game related
[16:55] <confuzled> and i also want to bne able to start playing rocksmithy
[16:55] <steve_rox> i thought guitar on playstation just had colored buttons and no strings :-P
[16:55] <ParkerR_> Like the EyeToy camera being a normal webcam. Or the Logitech USB headsets for the PS2 just being normal USB headsets
[16:56] <Amadiro> confuzled, so your issue is that you don't want to switch plugs?
[16:56] <confuzled> more so, dont want to have to buy two seperate plugs if one can do the trick
[16:56] <confuzled> http://www.gamestop.com/accessories/rocksmith-real-tone-cable/97607
[16:56] <confuzled> that is the official plug for the game,
[16:56] <confuzled> i wonder if that would work for connecting to the pi
[16:57] <Amadiro> ah, okay
[16:57] <confuzled> then i would have to get some sort of software runnign onthe pi for audi recording
[16:57] <Amadiro> that might work
[16:57] <Amadiro> yes, that does work.
[16:57] <confuzled> seems a bit overpriced for what it does, so i am looking around for anyone that would know abtou a cheaper way (or version
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[16:58] <Amadiro> confuzled, well, you could try to connect any usb soundcard to the ps3
[16:58] <Amadiro> but most likely it won't accept anything but this particular soundcard
[16:58] <Amadiro> but the rocksmith real tone soundcard will definitely also work under linux, since it's basically just a simple soundcard
[16:58] <confuzled> maybe they sell the cable at guitar center, i am going there today anyways to use there amp to try my theremin out, and if it doesnt work screw it, at least i ahve the game working
[16:58] <ParkerR_> Heh not any cheaper http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Sound-Blaster-System-SB1240/dp/B004275EO4
[16:58] <ParkerR_> Just came across while looking
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[16:59] <confuzled> yeah i saw that
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[16:59] <Hopsy> what was the difference about kind regards and best regards?
[17:00] <ParkerR_> http://www.pandawill.com/usb-guitar-audio-interface-cable-p36851.html
[17:00] <ParkerR_> $23
[17:00] <confuzled> and i do know that the game for some stup[id reasin was specifically coded to not accept undecoded audio signal, ie you HAVE to use a converted before it gets to the game, i was hoping to just get the pc version and use 1/4 to 1/8 adapter
[17:01] <Amadiro> confuzled, the ps3 probably has no analog inputs, so it wouldn't be possible without a usb soundcard
[17:01] <Amadiro> however, I also suspect the game is coded to only accept this particular usb soundcard
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[17:01] <xrosnight> does anyone have VPN, can i have a use? i am in China. All things blocked . Damn :(
[17:01] <Amadiro> so my bets are that it won't work unless you have the official rocksmith cable
[17:01] <confuzled> no it doesnt, this was what i found when looking into just the game before i got the thermin
[17:01] <ParkerR_> xrosnight, Apparantly not all things :P
[17:01] <confuzled> the cable i know is just a a to do converted
[17:01] <confuzled> but i was thinking withe the pc version they would just take the need for usb out
[17:02] <Amadiro> so just get the rocksmith cable, it'll work on the pi as well -- you'll only have to switch usb plugs
[17:02] <confuzled> but that woudl mean less cables sold
[17:02] <Amadiro> yes, probably not in their interest.
[17:02] <confuzled> ill pick it up today...omg i so excited..
[17:02] <xrosnight> ParkerR_: sort of. they blocked people that they can't SAY anything about IRC in PUBLIC !!!
[17:02] <xrosnight> all commits about IRC will be deleted or blocked in China.
[17:03] <confuzled> debating on learning over the rainbow or startrek theme first
[17:04] <confuzled> startrek seems like a no brainer, but i really dont feel like learning the songs tune just so i can learn it on this instrument
[17:04] <martk100> I have been trying for many hours to make desktop icons open with single click So far unsuccessful. Does anyone know how to do this?
[17:04] <confuzled> i believe isz under mouse settings in windows,
[17:04] <Amadiro> martk100, with what desktop environment, lxde?
[17:04] <confuzled> not sure about linux
[17:05] <martk100> Amadiro: lxde on debian wheezy.
[17:05] <confuzled> martk100, how does wheezy run for you
[17:05] <confuzled> i havent got around to installing it yet
[17:05] * confuzled is a linux newb
[17:05] <Amadiro> martk100, try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1943740
[17:06] <martk100> confuzled: It runs well when using a mouse and keyboard. Not so well on a touchscreen.
[17:07] <Amadiro> lxde is not made for touchscreens
[17:07] <Amadiro> you can probably install other desktop environments that are
[17:07] <martk100> Amadiro: Thanks I will have a look.
[17:07] <confuzled> will pi output video over usb?
[17:08] <martk100> Amadiro: Yes I am begining to discover that. What desktop environments will run on th pi?
[17:08] <Amadiro> confuzled, there is no such thing as "outputting video over usb" -- if you have a usb video card, it will most likely be able to stream video to that.
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[17:08] <Amadiro> martk100, probably mostly depends on whether you have the 256 or 512 megabyte version. I haven't tested a lot of them, but on the 512 version you can probably get quite a few to run
[17:09] <Amadiro> debian & kde might require some down-stripping before they work
[17:09] <Amadiro> er
[17:09] <Amadiro> gnome & kde
[17:09] <confuzled> so i would plug a usb video card into the pi, then usb cable from the vcard to a screen that runs via usb
[17:09] <Amadiro> confuzled, if your screen can be fed video via usb, you can connect it directly to the pi
[17:10] <Amadiro> and if you then have a driver for it, that would work
[17:10] <confuzled> oh because the screenwoudl have the hardware built in
[17:10] <martk100> Amadiro: Mine is a 256mb pi.I am really waiting for android. Any idea when it will be available?
[17:10] <confuzled> ok
[17:10] <Amadiro> martk100, no, but it probably won't run on the 256 megabyte version
[17:10] <Amadiro> my phone has 512 megabyte ram, and android runs fairly slowly on that
[17:10] <Amadiro> I don't think it'd end up being usable on 256 at all
[17:11] <confuzled> nice, looking at makign a small pi driven irc desktop repeater screen, so i can stay logged into irc across reboots and stuff like that
[17:11] <Amadiro> confuzled, look at znc
[17:11] <martk100> Amadiro: Yes I thought thta might be the case. I will have to buy a new pi.
[17:11] <confuzled> man this pi is pretty mch the most fun i have had in a long time
[17:13] <confuzled> my glory day for pi will be when xbmc figures out hw decoding
[17:13] <Amadiro> xbmc does hw decoding
[17:13] <Amadiro> otherwise it would be unusable
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[17:13] <confuzled> i thought i read right now on the pi it was just sw
[17:13] <Amadiro> no
[17:13] <confuzled> which is why it has issues with 1080p
[17:13] <ParkerR_> The hardware decoding in XBMC on the Pi is due to omxplayer
[17:13] <Amadiro> you can't really even decode a 240p video in software on the rpi
[17:14] <Amadiro> without lagging
[17:14] <Amadiro> xbmc plays 1080p videos hardware-decoded just fine
[17:14] <ParkerR_> All props to omxplayer :D
[17:14] <confuzled> omxplayer is somethign you have to add right
[17:14] <ParkerR_> Nope
[17:14] <gko> Nice :)
[17:14] <ParkerR_> Comes compiled in XBMC
[17:14] <ParkerR_> It doesn't use the system version
[17:14] <confuzled> im talkign abotu streaming video btw
[17:14] <ParkerR_> It uses it's own built in
[17:15] <Amadiro> all video is streaming video
[17:15] <confuzled> lolz i mean netowrk streaming
[17:15] <Amadiro> xbmc does that too.
[17:15] <Amadiro> although I had quite a few stability issues with raspbmc
[17:15] <Amadiro> openelec did better
[17:15] <Amadiro> raspbmc would crash after 5 minutes of streaming videos from youtube
[17:16] <confuzled> so the fact that 1080p video taxes the cpu on my pi to 100 wont change with upgardes to xbmc (openelec, raspbmc and the like)
[17:16] <ParkerR_> XBMC on Raspbian has beenw orking great for me
[17:16] <ParkerR_> *been working
[17:16] <Amadiro> confuzled, playing videos does not tax the CPU at all, it mostly only taxes the videocore
[17:16] <ParkerR_> Amadiro, Umm it definitely uses the CPU
[17:16] <Amadiro> the CPU only has to send the video data to the videocore
[17:16] <confuzled> wheni hit "o" on xbmc on pi, brings up the osd
[17:16] <confuzled> shows 100% cpu load
[17:17] <Amadiro> confuzled, that's because xbmc itself does a lot of stuff all the time
[17:17] <confuzled> pretty much pegged
[17:17] <ParkerR_> confuzled, When playing a video in XBMC try running top or htop in an ssh session
[17:17] <sraue> confuzled and then the GUI (the OSD) will be rendered and it shows a high cpu% because of showing the OSD
[17:17] <Phrewfuf> confuzled: that is because XBMC just uses 100% cpu all the time
[17:17] <Phrewfuf> even when doing...nothing at all ;D
[17:17] <Amadiro> confuzled, darkelec fixes some of the CPU usage issues, but it doesn't really have anything to do with playing video.
[17:17] <martk100> Amadiro: Conzuzled: I use the precompiled xbmc from memetic.org to run as an app on top of Debian Wheezy. It is very stable and can stream all uk tv and nfs , samba from my server.
[17:18] <Phrewfuf> and actually, CPU usage drops if i start playing music with that fancy 3d spectrum analyzer
[17:18] <ParkerR_> Phrewfuf, Tell that to Amadiro :P
[17:18] <confuzled> ok, so the 100% may be a false positive
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[17:18] <Phrewfuf> confuzled: htop also says 100% cpu
[17:18] <ParkerR_> "<Amadiro> confuzled, playing videos does not tax the CPU at all, it mostly only taxes the videocore" "<Phrewfuf> confuzled: that is because XBMC just uses 100% cpu all the time"
[17:18] <Amadiro> confuzled, it's not a false positive, it's just xbmc wasting cycles.
[17:18] <confuzled> oh ic
[17:19] <Phrewfuf> so this thing actually is wasting cpu time
[17:19] <ParkerR_> So what is it? :P
[17:19] <Amadiro> ParkerR_, read more carefully
[17:19] <Amadiro> ParkerR_, those two statements do not disagree
[17:19] <Amadiro> decoding 1080p video does not tax the CPU
[17:19] <confuzled> and this is due to the way xbmcm is coded, (ie the fact that the ui refreshes at 60fps and other dumb thigns like that)
[17:19] <Amadiro> xbmc taxes the CPU doing other things
[17:19] <Phrewfuf> someone said disabling http-server, common plugin cache and setting dirtyrendering to 3 solves this
[17:19] <Phrewfuf> tough i haven't found the dirty option yet
[17:20] <|Jeroen|> i said it
[17:20] <confuzled> i assume those are config file options
[17:20] <Phrewfuf> ah, yes
[17:20] <Phrewfuf> |Jeroen| was it :D
[17:20] <|Jeroen|> the dirty rendering i in advancedconfig.xml
[17:20] <|Jeroen|> ser it to 3
[17:20] <confuzled> i think i read that it causes some other ui issues though
[17:20] <confuzled> any truth to this
[17:20] <Phrewfuf> confuzled: heard that too
[17:21] <|Jeroen|> yeah but settings it to 3 is ok
[17:21] <|Jeroen|> 1 or 2 not
[17:21] <confuzled> i know its hard to expect a perfect experience on the pi, but hell if it can be done...im all in
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[17:21] <confuzled> shure is cheaper then aa apple tv
[17:21] <confuzled> lol
[17:21] <ParkerR_> Phrewfuf, advancedsettings.xml you have to set the dirty region stuff manually
[17:21] <confuzled> (btw quartz theme works beautifully on openelec
[17:21] <ParkerR_> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Dirty_regions
[17:21] <Phrewfuf> oh, also my xbmc screwe up the time...well..even more than it was before
[17:22] <Phrewfuf> somehow my pi gets the wrong time
[17:22] <|Jeroen|> yean, and don't add the fliptimout thiny
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[17:22] <Phrewfuf> the region is correct though
[17:22] <Amadiro> Phrewfuf, the pi has no hardware clock
[17:22] <Amadiro> so it cannot keep time when you turn it off at all
[17:22] <Phrewfuf> Amadiro: yeah, but NTP should pull correct time
[17:22] <Amadiro> and it cannot keep time very well even while its on
[17:22] <Phrewfuf> and it does not
[17:22] <Phrewfuf> 2h off is obviously some NTP fail
[17:23] <Amadiro> sounds like it
[17:23] <Amadiro> unless ntp did not refresh yet
[17:23] <Amadiro> or you have smooth transitions set
[17:23] <confuzled> also i am reading now that class 10 is not the way to go for sd card
[17:23] <confuzled> do you guys have any thoughts
[17:23] <Phrewfuf> confuzled: C10 works here fine
[17:23] <Amadiro> I think per default ntp will try to guarantee the system clock is monotonic
[17:23] <confuzled> but that its not optimal
[17:23] <Amadiro> so if you're two hours off, it may take ntp 10 hours to set the clock correctly
[17:24] <confuzled> has higher sequential writes, but that is rarely used by an os
[17:24] <Phrewfuf> hm..
[17:24] <Amadiro> confuzled, read the wiki, it has benchmarks of many different SD cards
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[17:25] <herdingcat> what's the difference between "-mfloat-abi=hard" and "-mfloat-abi=soft"?
[17:25] <herdingcat> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnu- KCFLAGS="-Ofast -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard -march=armv6zk -mtune=arm1176jzf-s" -j8 V=1
[17:25] <herdingcat> then I encounter error like "arm-linux-gnu-gcc: error: -mfloat-abi=soft and -mfloat-abi=hard may not be used together"
[17:25] <Amadiro> soft will not use the CPUs floating point instructions and registers
[17:25] <herdingcat> I don't know where it uses -mfloat-abi=soft
[17:26] <herdingcat> Amadiro, the performance would be poor?
[17:26] <Amadiro> herdingcat, for floating point operations, yes
[17:26] <Amadiro> you cannot mix the ABIs for obvious reasons
[17:26] <herdingcat> Amadiro, is there any way to fix that?
[17:26] <herdingcat> Amadiro, I gonna cross compile.
[17:26] <Amadiro> compile your whole system with either soft or float
[17:26] <Amadiro> soft or hard
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[17:27] <Phrewfuf> |Jeroen|: whats with the fliptimeout?
[17:27] <|Jeroen|> don't add it
[17:27] <herdingcat> Amadiro, I don't know if arm-linux-gnu-gcc uses soft
[17:27] <|Jeroen|> if you add it its flippy
[17:28] <Amadiro> herdingcat, it can use either, whichever you tell it to
[17:29] <herdingcat> Amadiro, KBUILD_CFLAGS +=$(CFLAGS_ABI) $(CFLAGS_THUMB2) $(arch-y) $(tune-y) $(call cc-option,-mshort-load-bytes,$(call cc-option,-malignment-traps,)) -msoft-float -Uarm
[17:29] <herdingcat> KBUILD_AFLAGS +=$(CFLAGS_ABI) $(AFLAGS_THUMB2) $(arch-y) $(tune-y) -include asm/unified.h -msoft-float
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[17:29] <Phrewfuf> hm |Jeroen| nope, still at 100% here -.-
[17:29] <Phrewfuf> http-server is off by default
[17:29] <|Jeroen|> did you restart ?
[17:30] <Phrewfuf> restart or reboot?
[17:30] <|Jeroen|> i rebooted
[17:30] <|Jeroen|> dunno if it mathers
[17:30] <Phrewfuf> it is a bit quicker now
[17:30] <|Jeroen|> ow yeah check using top
[17:30] <|Jeroen|> not the xbmc status page
[17:30] <Phrewfuf> |Jeroen|: i used htop
[17:31] <|Jeroen|> what menu are you in ?
[17:31] <Phrewfuf> just the main page
[17:32] <|Jeroen|> i also disabled the newly added thingy
[17:32] <|Jeroen|> otherwise the tv shows menu would also go up
[17:32] <Phrewfuf> which one?
[17:32] <Phrewfuf> nope, rebooted, still at 100
[17:32] <|Jeroen|> try to go to the programs or somthing
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[17:33] <Phrewfuf> hm, i have nothing like that
[17:34] <|Jeroen|> maby check the services and disable all other things like upnp and stuff
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[17:34] <|Jeroen|> i did turn those all off, but saw the difference at te webserver
[17:34] <Phrewfuf> my webserver was off to begin with
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[17:35] <Phrewfuf> also i can't get airplay working
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[17:35] <Phrewfuf> hm, anyway...this thing works fine right now
[17:36] <|Jeroen|> maby its scanning your library at startup?
[17:36] <|Jeroen|> let it settle
[17:36] <ParkerR_> :) http://i.imgur.com/FChIk.png
[17:37] <Phrewfuf> ParkerR_: you cheated
[17:37] <Phrewfuf> :D
[17:37] <ParkerR_> How?
[17:37] <ParkerR_> By configuring htop? :P
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[17:37] <confuzled> htop??
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[17:38] <Phrewfuf> why is your cpu so low?
[17:38] <Phrewfuf> pr don't oyu have xbmc running at all
[17:38] <|Jeroen|> he is not running xb?c
[17:38] <|Jeroen|> lol
[17:38] <ParkerR_> Phrewfuf, PLaying video
[17:38] <ParkerR_> xbmc is the highlighted entry...
[17:38] <|Jeroen|> ah
[17:38] <Phrewfuf> ah there
[17:38] <Phrewfuf> hm..suspicious
[17:39] <ParkerR_> It's not running X
[17:39] <Phrewfuf> ParkerR_: mine neither
[17:39] <ParkerR_> So there a little bit of CPU gone there
[17:39] <Phrewfuf> raspbian with XBMC on it? without X?
[17:39] <ParkerR_> Yep
[17:39] <Phrewfuf> thats pretty much what i have here
[17:39] <Phrewfuf> still 100% cou
[17:39] <Phrewfuf> cpu*
[17:40] <ParkerR_> And some emulators, games, and other stuffs
[17:40] <ParkerR_> Pretty much does everything
[17:40] <ParkerR_> Love it
[17:40] <Phrewfuf> btw, did you get rid of the console output being displayed in those black bars?
[17:40] <ParkerR_> Phrewfuf, Yeah I have some custom overscan settings
[17:40] <[fzH]> is anyone here into pwnpi ?
[17:40] <Phrewfuf> when i'm playing 16:9 video on the 16:10 screen, i see console atop and below
[17:41] <ParkerR_> Phrewfuf, Oh yeah thats just omxplayer
[17:41] <ParkerR_> Luckily I have a 16:9 screen :P
[17:42] <ParkerR_> Phrewfuf, This shows my issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdFd0qc0lvg
[17:42] <ParkerR_> XBMC alleviates this with the custom overscan settings but most other stuff doesn't have the option
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[17:47] <Phrewfuf> ParkerR_: i see. can't wait to hook my pi up to a tv instead of a PC monitor
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[17:48] <Phrewfuf> though executing it by "clear; xbmc" helps a bit
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[17:49] <Phrewfuf> at least the only disturbing thing is the console cursor blinking like mad
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[17:54] <scummos> use a different terminal emulator w/o blinking cursor
[17:55] <Phrewfuf> scummos: this will work as long as xbmc is not logging to console
[17:55] <Phrewfuf> first mp3 file played and its whining about bitrates on console
[17:55] <scummos> then redirect its output to /dev/null
[17:56] <scummos> xbmc &> /dev/null, that'd be
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[18:07] <Hopsy> website is down? http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/
[18:08] <Hopsy> ah its already working
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[18:18] <marinosi> Hi. How can I enable h264 hw acceleration on raspi? vcgencmd codec_enabled h264 says it is disabled (distro latest archlinux)
[18:27] <ParkerR_> marinosi, Try updating your firmware
[18:28] <ParkerR_> It should support h.264 acceleration out of the box
[18:28] <ParkerR_> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
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[18:29] <ParkerR_> marinosi, Hmm it may still work. It says disabled but Im pretty sure mine plays just fine
[18:30] <ParkerR_> Yeah it definitely is playing just fine. marinosi nothing to worry about
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[18:33] <marinosi> ParkerR_: pacman doesn't take care of upgrading firmware for this specific release?
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[18:34] <ParkerR_> marinosi, Again nothing to worry about
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[18:34] <ParkerR_> marinosi, I forgot arch does the updating itself
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[18:35] <marinosi> ParkerR_: so any ideas how can h264, mpg2 etc be disabled by default on my rpi?
[18:35] <marinosi> ParkerR_: Do you have any special options in your config.txt? (couldn't find anything)
[18:37] <ParkerR_> marinosi, h264 decoding will work fine. As for mpg2 you need to buy the license
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[18:39] <marinosi> ParkerR_: but vcgencmd enabled_codec says it's disabled
[18:39] <marinosi> ParkerR_: I don't want cpu decoding
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[18:39] <ParkerR_> marinosi, As I stated previously. Mine says disabled but sure as it plays in front of me the Pi is decoding h264 on the hardware
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[18:40] <marinosi> ParkerR_: is there a specific player I shall use to force offloading to the gpu?
[18:41] <Amadiro> omxplayer
[18:41] <ParkerR_> marinosi, omxplayer, XBMC
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[18:41] <Amadiro> mplayer/vlc cannot use the VC, I think
[18:41] <marinosi> omxplayer doesn't exist in arch repos, right?
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[18:42] <Amadiro> try pacman -sS omxplayer
[18:42] <sgtpepper> Guys, have anyone tried the fbdev_exa driver?
[18:42] <marinosi> Amadiro: just did it :) but nothing
[18:42] <sgtpepper> any patricular notes on how to compile it?
[18:43] <Amadiro> marinosi, then you'll have to get it elsewhere, presumably.
[18:43] <marinosi> ParkerR_: Amadiro: thanks guys
[18:43] <ParkerR_> No problem
[18:47] <sgtpepper> Hexxeh: ping
[18:47] <Hexxeh> pong
[18:47] <Hexxeh> i haven't tried compiling it sorry, i got given some binaries
[18:47] <sgtpepper> Would you mind sharing them with me?
[18:49] <Hexxeh> was asked not to, sorry.
[18:51] <sgtpepper> was there a significant improvement?
[18:51] <Hexxeh> in certain cases, yes
[18:52] <sgtpepper> I'll try to compile them from the source on github, hopefully its up to date
[18:53] <Phrewfuf> hehe XBMC segfaulted
[18:53] <Phrewfuf> maybe that firmware update had something to do with it :D
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[18:55] <Phrewfuf> btw how hard is it to make the pi work well with an RTC?
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[18:55] <Phrewfuf> that missing hwclock bothers me
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[18:57] <sgtpepper> have anyone tried doing anything with X, besides directfb and
[18:58] <sgtpepper> well.. those two drivers
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[19:02] <scummos> Phrewfuf: not very hard, there's plenty of i2c RTCs out there.
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[19:02] <scummos> but it will need a battery
[19:02] <Phrewfuf> scummos: i know i have a DS1307 or 1337 right here
[19:02] <Phrewfuf> most RTCs are I2C
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[19:03] <scummos> Phrewfuf: ok, so I guess you'd just need to attach that to the pi and read it on startup
[19:03] <Phrewfuf> at least i haven't seen any SPI ones
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[19:03] <Phrewfuf> hm, i see...
[19:04] * Phrewfuf launches eagle
[19:04] <scummos> you can use the date command to set and read the pi's date
[19:04] <scummos> naive as I am I could imagine putting that into an init script.
[19:05] <scummos> i.e. load i2c modules, use i2cget to read the time and then call date to change the pi's system time
[19:05] <scummos> could be done in shellscript only ;)
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[19:09] <herdingcat> what's the usage of VC library?
[19:09] <herdingcat> pi@raspberrypi:/$ vcgencmd measure_temp
[19:09] <herdingcat> vcgencmd: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:10] <dniMretsaM> is it possible to buy ePaper displays and driver boards anywhere? I've looked around without any luck, but I figured I'd ask here before I shelve the project entirely
[19:10] <Amadiro> dniMretsaM, essentially: no.
[19:11] <herdingcat> what's the usage of VC library?
[19:11] <dniMretsaM> Amadiro: thought so. hopefully they'll be available in the near future, though
[19:11] <Amadiro> currently it looks like ePaper producers only consider you if you present them with an interpretative dance on a pool of 1000$-bills
[19:12] <Amadiro> herdingcat, are you asking what it's used for or how to use it?
[19:12] <herdingcat> Amadiro, sort of, yes
[19:12] <Phrewfuf> :D
[19:12] <dniMretsaM> it seems that way, yeah.
[19:12] <Amadiro> herdingcat, that doesn't answer my question at all
[19:12] <herdingcat> Amadiro, I compiled the kernel and it works well, but only VC cannot use.
[19:12] <Phrewfuf> herdingcat: he posted an "A OR B" and you answered with "yes"
[19:13] <Amadiro> herdingcat, are you asking what it's used for or how to use it?
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[19:13] <herdingcat> Amadiro, http://www.elinux.org/Rpi_kernel_compilation <= I checked this and mentioned need to replace VC
[19:13] <herdingcat> Amadiro, sorry, what is it?
[19:13] <dniMretsaM> well, time for lunch. thanks again, Amadiro.
[19:13] <Amadiro> dniMretsaM, np
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[19:45] <bcgrown> hi, any i2c hackers in here? wondering anyone has a) successfully made the quick2wire API work, or b) found a way to change the I2C frequency on the pi
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[19:46] <confuzled> ive been to three sites, does anyone know whree i can find some in stock revb boards
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[19:46] <confuzled> (in the US)
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, I have the quick2wire hardware, but not used their API.
[19:49] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: hmm, their installation instructions are somewhat confusing.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, to be honest I'll not be using their software at all, so I've not really paid it much attention...
[19:50] <bcgrown> i have used i2cset/i2cget and the SMBus python library but i'm getting some wonky stuff. it's either because 1. the api is doing something wonky. 2. my bus pirate can't handle the pi's i2c frequency, 3. my pi's GPIO is fried, or 4. some combination of all 3
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[19:50] <bcgrown> unfortunately i don't have a scope or logic analyzer to check the signal :(
[19:51] <atouk> can the bus pirate use the 3.3v GPIO?
[19:51] <bcgrown> atouk: i believe it can read it just fine. i thought?
[19:51] <bcgrown> as long as i don't try to put 5v on it
[19:52] <atouk> yes. 5v on pi GPIO = bad things happening
[19:52] <bcgrown> atouk: yes, which is why i'm not doing that
[19:52] <bcgrown> atouk: as far as i know.
[19:53] <atouk> if you haven't let the smoke out, you're probobly OK
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> bcgrown, does the standard i2cdetect show all devices OK?
[19:54] <bcgrown> atouk: i may have accidentally shorted some pins briefly, but i think current limiting saved them. i hope.
[19:54] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: shows the one device i have connected
[19:54] <confuzled> wth...arguing with someone 6/2(1+2) = ?
[19:54] <confuzled> i say 1
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> ok, not much use then :)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm just about to write some I2C stuff myself, but it's a day or 3 away and will be all in C ...
[19:54] <bcgrown> gordonDrogon: so it wouldn't be any help to show you my Python code? :)
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> Python? Er, not really!
[19:55] <bcgrown> durn
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I'm sticking to C for now. Seems to be the lowest common denominator...
[19:56] <bcgrown> is there an I2C API/library for C?
[19:56] <home> I can attest to the 5v on PI thing
[19:58] <dniMretsaM> bcgrown: there is a i2c-dev header in the linux userspace, I believe
[19:59] <dniMretsaM> not sure if you need to manually install it or not. lemme check
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[19:59] <linuxstb> confuzled: IIRC, multiplication and division have the same precendence, and you work from left to right. So it's (6/2) * (1+2) = 9.
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[20:00] <Hopsy> gordonDrogon: do you have an usb wifi dongle?
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, no.
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> Hopsy, my home/office is wired for cat-5.
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[20:01] <dniMretsaM> bcgrown: I found this: https://xgoat.com/wp/2007/11/11/using-i2c-from-userspace-in-linux/
[20:01] <andygraybeal> what are the steps i should take to troubleshoot ground interference/noise heard from the speaker?
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what there is for I2C - I'd no idea about SPI either until I wrote some 'helpers' for wiringPi - that's my plan for I2C if it seems appropriate.
[20:02] <Hopsy> hmm okay
[20:02] <bcgrown> andygraybeal: start unplugging things until it goes away
[20:02] <andygraybeal> bcgrown, okay
[20:03] <bcgrown> dniMretsaM: thanks. I do speak C (sort of)... but C code is so ugly once you start getting used to Python :)
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[20:03] <artag> adafruit has an introduction : http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-16-channel-servo-driver-with-raspberry-pi/configuring-your-pi-for-i2c
[20:04] <bcgrown> artag: yeah i've done all that. the problem i have is my pi is not speaking i2c properly, for some reason
[20:04] <home> GUYS
[20:04] <dniMretsaM> bcgrown: Python is a lot easier on the eyes.
[20:05] <home> so normally I2C/SPI is not enabled in the kernel?
[20:05] <bcgrown> home: it's a module that's blacklisted by default in raspbian
[20:06] <andygraybeal> bcgrown, bro, it's the ethernet, i unplug it and it sounds great
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[20:06] <bcgrown> andygraybeal: is your ethernet cable running next to your audio?
[20:06] <andygraybeal> how do i fix that?
[20:07] <andygraybeal> no, they are seperate
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[20:08] <andygraybeal> bcgrown, i just got this and i don't know what i'm doing yet :) but the cables are run separately
[20:08] <bcgrown> andygraybeal: what exactly is your audio set up?
[20:08] <_yac_> hey anyone in here every hook up their rpi's to Stellaris Launchpad, thinking specifically of the lf120xl i believe it's called arm soc
[20:08] <andygraybeal> bcgrown, analog audio to a actively powered speaker
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[20:09] <bcgrown> andygraybeal: do you have another speaker set to try it with?
[20:10] <andygraybeal> hmm sadly no
[20:10] <andygraybeal> i've never had a prob with the speakers like this
[20:10] <andygraybeal> but i understand the trbshooting value
[20:10] <bcgrown> the Pi's audio output kind of sucks. not much you can do about that
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[20:11] <bcgrown> *analog audio output, that is
[20:11] <andygraybeal> bcgrown, okay, thanks man
[20:11] <_yac_> you could try running a cable from the grounding screw on the back of your active speakers to the rca ground on your rpi
[20:11] <bcgrown> if you have a home theatre receiver you could try using digital audio output
[20:11] <_yac_> but it may fry your speakers, so proceed at your own risk
[20:11] <_yac_> actually, scratch that
[20:11] <_yac_> that's not where the problem is
[20:11] <confuzled> grrr. amazon and there price gouging
[20:12] <bcgrown> _yac_: if there's a ground loop i would expect that to make it worse
[20:12] <confuzled> i needs me a pi
[20:13] <andygraybeal> bcgrown, thanks for the help man
[20:13] <_yac_> one way which is maybe needlessly complex is to get one of those snazzy hdmi "soundcards", you get apparently fantastic audio then
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[20:14] <andygraybeal> _yac_, i've nevr heard of such a device, i will google it
[20:14] <bcgrown> andygraybeal: if it only happens when ethernet is plugged in, try another ethernet cable. different brand if possible
[20:14] <andygraybeal> hmmm okay thanks
[20:14] <_yac_> try an unshielded one maybe
[20:14] <atouk> probobly not the cable. best way to test though is ti unplug at far end, not locally
[20:15] <andygraybeal> all i have is utp :)
[20:15] <_yac_> try this
[20:15] <andygraybeal> atouk, interesting
[20:15] <_yac_> actually nevermind
[20:16] <bcgrown> atouk: probably not but bad cables can do funny things
[20:16] <bcgrown> atouk: and that's layer 1 :)
[20:16] <atouk> next step is to turn off or unplug whatever the far end of cable is plugged into
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[20:17] <_yac_> is it a noise or a hum or both, andygraybeal
[20:18] <andygraybeal> _yac_, hmm.. best way to describe it is.. it sounds like when you take a pickup from a guitar and put it into your computer, close to the mainboard
[20:18] <andygraybeal> it's the exact same sound
[20:19] <_yac_> so kind of like a digital noise
[20:19] <andygraybeal> you can hear the machine thinking.
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[20:19] <_yac_> and you can unplug the ethernet and it goes fine?
[20:20] <andygraybeal> well.. there is still noise, but it's VERY quiet compared and seems to not sound so intense .. not only in amplitude but in whatever it is thnking
[20:21] <_yac_> i c. and if you try what atouk suggested, and unplug the power from the router or switch, i guess you don't wanna do that because then you go poof here
[20:21] <andygraybeal> well, i'm not there yet.. but i will try that
[20:22] <andygraybeal> i'm tryin to find a video i might have locally on a drive i got laying around
[20:22] <andygraybeal> i just been playing stuff offa the network for now
[20:22] <dennistlg> anyone used the uart on the pi?
[20:22] <dennistlg> have a little problem
[20:23] <_yac_> my guessing is not changing your setup only changing the way you play back stuff is only going to make a barely perceivable difference on the noise. you may hear it "think" differently
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[20:23] <dennistlg> when i connect cable or cable with other device i become signs on the screen i cant read.
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[20:25] <andygraybeal> _yac_ :)
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[20:27] <_yac_> dennistlg: ahh, the dreaded unreadable signs. these inexplainable glyphs have vexed us coders for decades. i think though for anyone to be able to help you, you need to elaborate more on what you're trying to do, and how.
[20:28] <dennistlg> _yac_ i like to read boot messages from a adsl modem (broadcom soc)
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[20:31] <dennistlg> the modem is flashed with a custom firmware. now lan ports are dead. but unit is booting after a half minute the status led's of the lan port are going on when i plug in cable.
[20:31] <dennistlg> but modem ist not ping able. think something with the switch driver is wrong
[20:32] <dennistlg> thats why i need the serial console
[20:34] <Olipro> I use the UART
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[20:34] <Phrewfuf> hm, firmware update resets config.txt
[20:34] <Olipro> pass "console=ttyAMA0,115200" to the kernel
[20:34] <Olipro> and obviously, in the inittab or whatever sets up the getty in your distro
[20:36] <dennistlg> Oliproyou are reading the output from the pi on a other devices?
[20:36] <dennistlg> or other way reading output from other device on the pi?
[20:36] <dennistlg> i need no messages frome the pi itself
[20:36] <Olipro> yes, it's connected to a 3V3 UART->USB adapter
[20:37] <Olipro> plugged into my desktop
[20:37] <dennistlg> ok my device have same 3v3 UART as the pi
[20:38] <Olipro> you don't need the positive rail
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[20:38] <Olipro> just connect Rx, Tx and Gnd
[20:38] <dennistlg> but my problem is: when i start minicom on the pi i have mystic signs
[20:39] <dennistlg> have tried without positive rail
[20:39] <dennistlg> same result
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[20:39] <Olipro> sounds like you have Rx and Tx reversed
[20:39] <dennistlg> no checked 5 times
[20:39] <dennistlg> ;-)
[20:39] <Olipro> "it works for me"
[20:39] <Olipro> certainly sounds like something's not wired up right
[20:39] <Olipro> you're connecting Gnd to Gnd right?
[20:40] <dennistlg> yes
[20:40] <Olipro> baud rate is correct?
[20:40] <dennistlg> and pi rx to device tx and pi tx to device rx
[20:41] <dennistlg> have tryed all possible in minicom
[20:41] <Olipro> it should be 115200 (or whatever you passed to the kernel), 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity
[20:41] <dennistlg> but it should be 115200
[20:41] <dennistlg> where do i pass it to the kernel?
[20:42] <dennistlg> config.txt?
[20:42] <Olipro> no
[20:42] <Olipro> cmdline.txt
[20:42] <bcgrown> ugh... can't believe my i2c problem was because of mixing up high and low nibbles :|
[20:42] <dennistlg> ok quick connect to pi lan back in a few secounds
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[20:52] <dniMretsaM> very nice, bcgrown. lol
[20:53] <bcgrown> dniMretsaM: for some reason i2cset/i2cget handles them in the opposite order
[20:54] <dniMretsaM> well that's odd
[20:54] <bcgrown> dniMretsaM: yes. but i don't want to hurt my brain too much thinking about it
[20:55] <dniMretsaM> wise decision
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[21:01] <bcgrown> i think something i did on my pi accidentally caused a timewarp to 1997, judging by the music coming through the i2c fm receiver chip
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[21:05] <dennistlg> nothing :-(
[21:06] <dennistlg> Olipro now i see nothing on the pi
[21:09] <dennistlg> but when i connect a led on the tx from the device its blinking so pi must be show something
[21:09] <dennistlg> strange...
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[21:22] <fimion> hiya!
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[21:22] <UnaClocker> Hello
[21:23] <clear`> hi
[21:23] <clear`> UnaClocker: i put hdmi force in the config.txt and it works like a charm
[21:23] <clear`> thanks
[21:23] <UnaClocker> :)
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[21:24] <fimion> so i'm having an odd issue with my pi. It will hang after I do a shutdown -r
[21:24] <clear`> is there something i can put in the config.txt to mount my external hard drive each time?
[21:24] <dniMretsaM> clear`: that would have to go in /etc/fstab
[21:25] <clear`> oh?
[21:25] <clear`> what would i put in there
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[21:28] <dniMretsaM> clear`: Here's the page about it on the Ubuntu Wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
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[21:29] <clear`> ty dniMretsaM
[21:30] <dniMretsaM> no problem, clear`
[21:30] <Phrewfuf> question of the day: does the RPI support Network over HDMI? :D
[21:30] <Phrewfuf> and yes, there is such thing as Network over HDMI
[21:30] <clear`> lol
[21:30] <dniMretsaM> I don't think so, Phrewfuf
[21:30] <Phrewfuf> bummer...
[21:30] <bcgrown> Phrewfuf: doubtful.
[21:31] <Phrewfuf> imagine...you just stick that HDMI cable in there and you get everything
[21:31] <Phrewfuf> power, video, audio, network
[21:31] <Phrewfuf> ..., maginc
[21:31] <Phrewfuf> magic*
[21:31] <Phrewfuf> :D
[21:31] <dniMretsaM> that would be really awesome
[21:31] <|Jeroen|> huh
[21:31] <|Jeroen|> sweet
[21:32] <Phrewfuf> as i said IPoHDMI is possible
[21:32] <Phrewfuf> also i've seen HDMI cables having a USB plug on one end
[21:32] <clear`> Removable devices such as flash drives *can* be added to fstab, but are typically mounted by gnome-volume-manager and are beyond the scope of this document.
[21:32] <clear`> ;\
[21:33] <dniMretsaM> clear`: just add it. as long as you use the UUID and not the device name it should be fine
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[21:34] <clear`> yea, thats what i was going to try
[21:34] <fimion> clear`: http://elinux.org/RPi_Adding_USB_Drives
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[21:36] <vorsaykal> I currently have Rasbian installed, and I set my password under the UK layout without realizing it was default. I then switched to the US layout and I can't enter my password because it involed a pound symbol. Any ideas on how I can revert this? I don't have access to my SD outside of my RPi.
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[21:37] <dniMretsaM> fimion: that recommends using the device name to mount the drive. that can change on occasion, so I don't recommend that
[21:37] <Toothpick> vorsaykal: live-usb ?
[21:37] <Toothpick> vorsaykal: you need to access your /etc/shadow file using another system
[21:37] <pksato> vorsaykal: need password (invasion) procedure.
[21:37] <fimion> dniMretsaM, oh jeez. yeah. you're right. clear` ignore that
[21:38] <vorsaykal> Wow. It didn't even dawn on me that I could use a live-usb. Thank you.
[21:38] <pksato> vorsaykal: have access to other system, can mount fat and edit text?
[21:38] <dniMretsaM> fimion: it works just fine for the hard drive of a computer, but not externals.
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[21:39] <vorsaykal> pksato: Yeah. I should be able to figure it out from here.
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[21:39] <[diablo]> Good evening #raspberrypi ?
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[21:40] <dniMretsaM> hi [diablo]
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[21:41] <[diablo]> I'm thinking of installing a pi in my BMW. The idea I have is to create a wireless hotspot in the car, with a possible 3G to offer internet access. On top of this I'd like XBMC running as a upnp server, which a Galaxy Tab 10'1 would connect to for video and audio.
[21:41] <rikkib> Mon Dec 31 09:41:25 NZDT 2012
[21:41] <rikkib> Morning from NZ :)
[21:42] <[diablo]> The question is this: Do you think 1 x pi is enough to power all this? Or should I purchase a 2nd to act as the WiFi hotspot?
[21:42] <pksato> vorsaykal: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=21436&p=204988
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[21:43] <pksato> vorsaykal: post by rgh.
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[21:44] <vorsaykal> pksato: Do you have a link to a guide on how to set up a live-usb for the RPi?
[21:44] <pksato> RPi can.t boot from USB.
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[21:45] <vorsaykal> I guess I misunderstood Toothpick, then.
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[21:46] <pksato> live-usb on other computer.
[21:46] <Toothpick> :|
[21:46] <vorsaykal> I don't have a way to connect my SD to another machine.
[21:47] <pksato> you locked car with key inside. :)
[21:47] <Toothpick> pksato: vorsaykal: if it was a normal linux system with grub you could pass grub the "init=/bin/bash" parameter which would take him straight to a shell
[21:48] <Toothpick> the question is. is it possible to do that to the RPi
[21:48] <pksato> Toothpick: no.
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[21:49] <pksato> kernel is loaded direct from firmware. No boot load like grub.
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[21:49] <Toothpick> pksato: but the firmware calls the init process right?
[21:49] <pksato> no. kernel does.
[21:50] <vorsaykal> Oh. I got it. I used an alt code. =D
[21:50] <Toothpick> vorsaykal: that was going to be my next hint, but i was not sure if it worked on passwords hehe
[21:51] <Toothpick> vorsaykal: 0163?
[21:51] <pksato> good.
[21:51] <vorsaykal> Toothpick: Yeah.
[21:53] <mrmoney2012> how long does it take for mpeg2 codec licence to get emailed out after purchase ?
[21:54] <rymate1234> So I found this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?uid=37388&f=66&t=22637
[21:54] <rymate1234> looks promising
[21:56] <fimion> mrmoney2012, it took mine about a day
[21:56] <mrmoney2012> oops??? ok thanks
[21:56] <fimion> mrmoney2012, and i ordered mine on christmas
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[22:03] <shapr> Is there an easy to setup qemu-static vm recipe for compiling for the Pi on my Debian laptop?
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[22:05] <pksato> shapr: most people use cross compiling.
[22:05] <japro> is there a way to force a specific resolution? for some reason the rpi uses my old 1280x1024 display as 640x480
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[22:06] <markbook> Using HDMI or RCA?
[22:06] <japro> hdmi
[22:06] <markbook> the RCA is very limited.
[22:06] <clear`> you can in the config.txt i believe
[22:06] <UnaClocker> Yup
[22:07] <shapr> pksato: I want to build Haskell binaries for the Pi. My limitation is that 256MB of RAM hugely increases the time it takes to compile with GHC on my Pi. Thus I think compiling with ghc on qemu is a better solution for me.
[22:07] <Encrypt> UnaClocker, Hi ! :)
[22:07] <UnaClocker> Sup. :)
[22:07] <japro> hmm, no way to do it via command or so?
[22:07] <shapr> pksato: Do you know of a better solution?
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[22:07] <pksato> shapr: no.
[22:07] <japro> because editing the config file each time i switch to another display is kinda annoying
[22:07] <Encrypt> UnaClocker, Have you been working on the Pi Saver ? :)
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[22:08] <Encrypt> UnaClocker, I tried again to do it myself...
[22:08] <UnaClocker> Nope, but I did make a primitive UPS for my other ARM based device (Sheevaplug).. Uses a small 5amp hour Sealed Lead Acid battery and a pair of switch mode DC-DC voltage regulators (the cheap $2 eBay ones)..
[22:09] <shapr> pksato: So, heard of anyone using qemu-static to run Pi binaries on an x86_64 system?
[22:09] <Encrypt> UnaClocker, But I haven't the skills...
[22:09] <Encrypt> UnaClocker, :)
[22:09] <rymate1234> I wish apt-get was quicker on the raspberry pi
[22:09] <Encrypt> :?
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[22:09] <rymate1234> installing the KDE on a sluggish SD card takes a while
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[22:09] <UnaClocker> I have a 19v wall wart going into the first regulator, it feeds 13.8v into the battery at all times to "float" it, and then the output of that and the battery go into another that feeds a nice 5.1v out to the device.
[22:10] <Encrypt> Nice :)
[22:10] <Datalink|mobile> O.o nice simple UPS
[22:10] <UnaClocker> I figure it'd run for 8-10 hours without power, but mostly, I just wanted it to not reboot when it gets unplugged by accident.. ;)
[22:10] <Encrypt> Yes, sure
[22:10] <UnaClocker> Datalink|mobile: Thanks.. Good old "KISS" engineering (Keep It Simple, Stupid).. ;)
[22:11] <Datalink|mobile> Heh, I need one of those rigs, my battery packs usually kill phone charging when they're being charged to maximze charge rate
[22:11] <clear`> UnaClocker: i like keep it stupidly simple :P
[22:12] <Datalink|mobile> But it does mean I have 2 hours of battery life for my pi when I do want it
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[22:13] <UnaClocker> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251066005460 That's the regulator I use.. Crazy crazy cheap..
[22:13] <shapr> I'm powering my Pi from six 2400mAh NiMH rechargeables, how long of a battery life should I expect?
[22:13] <UnaClocker> shapr: In series?
[22:14] <shapr> yup
[22:14] <UnaClocker> You'd need 4 to get about 5v.. Why are you going for 7.2v?
[22:14] <shapr> I'm using the switching buck converter from issue 6 of the MagPi.
[22:14] <UnaClocker> Anyways, 2.4mAH, the Pi wants 700mA.. So just over 3 hours...
[22:14] <UnaClocker> Ahh, ok, probably same thing I linked..
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[22:15] <tapas> hi.. i see that the raspbian image i downloaded seems to lack hidraw support..
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[22:15] <tapas> or do i have to load that module explicitly?
[22:16] <shapr> I'm using an adjustable voltage converter, I could power the Pi through the GPIO pins directly as in http://www.bitwizard.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Reducing_power_consumption_of_a_raspberry_Pi
[22:16] <Datalink|mobile> I considered that for my pi shield but I haven't figured out sensing of power yet
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[22:17] <UnaClocker> shapr: Yup, do that, undervolt the CPU, use a Model A that doesn't have that massively power hungry USB hub/ethernet chip.. You could probably get the thing down to like 300mA..
[22:17] <shapr> Datalink|mobile: Doesn't the Pi have an ADC? Couldn't you use that check the voltage from the batteries?
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[22:17] <UnaClocker> No, the Pi has no ADC.
[22:17] <shapr> oh :-(
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[22:18] <UnaClocker> I made a shield for my Pi that has an ATTiny to add some ADC's to the Pi.. ;)
[22:18] <Datalink|mobile> Uh, no, I could make an i2c do that though
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[22:18] <shapr> I have a LilyPad Arduino that I was originally going to use for this project.
[22:18] <UnaClocker> Yeah, that'd work great.
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[22:19] <UnaClocker> Can even connect to it over the GPIO's UART.. That's what I did with my ATTiny..
[22:19] <shapr> But powering that along with the Pi will cut my battery life down from ~3 hours.
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[22:19] <shapr> I've heard people are talking to Arduinos over i2c to skip the whole usb power thing.
[22:19] <UnaClocker> shapr: Sleep mode FTW.. You can get an ATMega328 down to 1.1uA while it's asleep.
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[22:20] <shapr> UnaClocker: Oh that's a good idea, can I do that from an Arduino IDE sketch?
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[22:20] <UnaClocker> Yeah, lemme find a link I bookmarked about it.. one sec..
[22:20] <shapr> wake from i2c would be especially nifty
[22:20] <UnaClocker> shapr: http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=11497
[22:20] <shapr> nifty!
[22:21] <UnaClocker> It'll wake on an external interrupt.. I'd dedicate a GPIO pin to trigger it to wake...
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[22:21] <UnaClocker> Although you may be able to use the i2c signal itself to trigger an interrupt.
[22:21] <Datalink|mobile> Bleh, hickups
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[22:25] <Torikun> yo
[22:26] <Torikun> http://rusher81572.com/?q=node/4
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[22:30] <rymate1234> lmao
[22:30] <rymate1234> why does kde need thid
[22:30] <rymate1234> Setting up akonadi-backend-mysql (1.7.2-1) ...
[22:30] <rymate1234> wait
[22:30] <rymate1234> nvm
[22:30] <Toothpick> TomWij: are you here by any change?
[22:30] <clear`> i want to get another pi for a webserver :D
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[22:30] <shapr> I want another Pi so I can have 512MB of RAM!
[22:31] <shapr> Is there some way to reduce video memory to zero for a totally headless system?
[22:31] <clear`> lol
[22:31] <clear`> no clue on that
[22:31] <shapr> I only run use my Pi via ssh -X
[22:31] <rymate1234> shapr, no
[22:31] <rymate1234> the gpu is required to boot
[22:31] <Torikun> check my link for my web server benvhmarks
[22:31] <Amadiro> rymate1234, it's a storage system for personal information (such as files & co) that you can use to search for things
[22:31] <Torikun> I posted the link when I joined lol
[22:32] <Amadiro> so presumably the mysql backend stores your data in a running mysql instance
[22:32] <shapr> rymate1234: Any idea why?
[22:32] <Amadiro> if you're on a pi, you probably want that disabled
[22:32] <rymate1234> shapr, its just how the pi functions I suppose
[22:32] <Amadiro> shapr, why the gpu is required to boot?
[22:32] <rymate1234> Amadiro, I'll have to figure out how once I'm into kde
[22:32] <shapr> Amadiro: I don't know, rymate1234 just told me it is?
[22:33] <shapr> Amadiro: Jag har ingen aning, dude.
[22:33] <Amadiro> shapr, the VC on the broadcom chip does basically everything.
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[22:33] <rymate1234> I think it is anyway
[22:33] <atouk> gpu acts as the bootloader loading the bios, and then passing off to the cpu
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[22:33] <shapr> Amadiro: vc? video chip?
[22:33] <Amadiro> yes
[22:33] <Amadiro> well, it stands for videocore
[22:33] <Neqoxec> what's the best bet for a snes emulator on the rpi? retroarch?
[22:34] <Amadiro> which is what broadcom calls the gpu processor
[22:34] <rymate1234> Torikun, I think I know why your webpages are slow
[22:34] <rymate1234> apache
[22:34] <rymate1234> lmao
[22:34] <Torikun> lol
[22:34] <Torikun> Probably
[22:34] <shapr> Amadiro: Do you have a link to a broader description of why the vc needs ~92MB of RAM at least?
[22:34] <Torikun> i want to test having the site in RAMFS next
[22:34] <rymate1234> Torikun, http://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/programming/raspberry-pi-web-server-comparison/
[22:34] <rymate1234> looks like it is
[22:34] <Torikun> ty
[22:35] <Amadiro> shapr, nope, broadcom pretty much does not publicise any information about the chip at all
[22:35] <shapr> Does anyone know of a script to automatically connect the Pi to any open wifi?
[22:35] <Torikun> shapr: wicd
[22:35] <shapr> Amadiro: det suger mycket :-(
[22:35] <Torikun> that will do it
[22:35] <Torikun> i think
[22:35] <Amadiro> shapr, however, what you can do is that you can set the videocore/arm memory split to dynamic
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[22:35] <shapr> Torikun: I mean without any interaction on my part. I want to run the Pi in my jacket.
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[22:35] <Amadiro> then the VC could, in principle, give more RAM to the ARM core whenever it needs it
[22:35] <shapr> Amadiro: Oh! I didn't know that!
[22:35] <Torikun> wic I think.
[22:36] <Amadiro> whether that will actually practically result in the VC getting less than 92MiB, I don't know
[22:36] <shapr> Torikun: did you mean wicd?
[22:36] <Torikun> yup
[22:37] <Torikun> have wicd-curses connect to the AP atleast once
[22:37] <Torikun> and then I think it will work every reboot
[22:37] <Torikun> if the daemon is enabled
[22:37] <Torikun> that is how it works on my password protected one
[22:37] <shapr> I'm looking for a script that will connect to any open wifi AP.
[22:37] <Torikun> ah
[22:38] <shapr> I want to use http://code.kryo.se/iodine/ on my server so any open AP should give me connectivity without requiring a login.
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[22:51] <rymate1234> well
[22:51] <rymate1234> got gdm working
[22:51] <rymate1234> *kdm
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[22:54] <frikinz> are a lot of kde packages ported to raspbian?
[22:55] <rymate1234> oh crap
[22:55] <rymate1234> sd card is full
[22:55] <rymate1234> 100%
[22:55] <rymate1234> explains why it won't load kde
[22:55] <clear`> time for a larger sd card
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[22:56] <clear`> does ubuntu work on the pi yet?
[22:56] <rymate1234> nope
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[22:57] <clear`> ah
[22:57] <clear`> i like ubuntu
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[22:57] <clear`> maybe one day
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[22:57] <clear`> i need to install a ftp client to my pi now
[22:58] <clear`> dniMretsaM: got the external mounting auto now, thanks
[22:58] <clear`> and no it didnt take me 3 hours to figure it out =X
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[23:03] <rikkib> Another cheap cam arrived ($16NZD). Sonix Technology 5mp Draws 42mA and has better picture than a Genius Facecam 1020 which draws 130mA. http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[23:04] <rymate1234> error with starting kde
[23:04] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/ZdQJXBa8
[23:04] <japro> hmm, what would be the adavantage of using ubuntu over raspbian anyway?
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[23:07] <clear`> japro: none
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[23:11] <shapr> I successfully got my Pi to connect to an unknown open wifi! I used wpa-roam as documented here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=130125#p130125
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[23:11] <frikinz> rymate1234: do you have anything interesting in ~/.xsession-errors maybe?
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[23:13] <rymate1234> nope
[23:13] <rymate1234> empty file
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[23:13] <arnorhs> shapr: awesome
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[23:16] <frikinz> rymate1234: is that a 512MB pi?
[23:16] <rymate1234> nah
[23:16] <rymate1234> 256MB
[23:17] <rymate1234> is it a case of not enough ram?
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[23:17] <rymate1234> :(
[23:17] <frikinz> ah same as mine :) I guess swap will get hit :)
[23:17] <Datalink> I want to make a CUI for Domino's Tracker...
[23:17] <arnorhs> btw.. where can I get a Pi in the US where I don't have to wait 30 days and it doesn't cost $60 ?
[23:17] <arnorhs> (n00b question alert, btw)
[23:18] <clear`> element14
[23:18] <clear`> and
[23:18] <clear`> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/en-US/raspberry-pi
[23:19] <clear`> well, you wont get it from element14, but they have a US distro
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[23:19] <jus10> newark. if they have it in stock it ships fairly quickly. I'm typing this on the pi I ordered from them the day after Christmas
[23:20] <arnorhs> jus10: is newark an online store?
[23:20] <clear`> yea
[23:20] <jus10> arnorhs: they're the element14 US branch I gather
[23:20] <clear`> i think its newark that element14 uses
[23:20] <frikinz> rymate1234: no idea. there's 100MB swapfile. size is defined in /etc/dphys-swapfile
[23:20] <PhotoJim> Newark does Canada and the US both
[23:22] <arnorhs> ahh
[23:22] <frikinz> mmh in /var/swap
[23:22] <rymate1234> holy crap
[23:23] <arnorhs> from the element14 website: "We are pleased to announce that the Raspberry Pi Model B with 512MB RAM is now available.
[23:23] <arnorhs> Order today, despatched within 3 weeks."
[23:23] <rymate1234> I think kde is starting!
[23:23] <arnorhs> i thought 3 weeks was pretty brutal
[23:23] <rymate1234> >100% cpu usage
[23:23] <arnorhs> also says "availability: 0" http://cl.ly/image/3v1J1O3S2E0s
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[23:24] <rikkib> If in stock E14 ship in days arriving next day in some cases
[23:24] <jus10> arnorhs: yes, i'd watch that for when it changes.
[23:25] <rikkib> E14 will notify you if you have an account
[23:25] <FerkSwe> Hey, would it be possible to, with some dark magic, run single android apps on a Pi? As in, putting the APK on the PI and then running it? Android apps are based on some sort of java right?
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[23:26] <rymate1234> .....wow
[23:26] <rymate1234> this is slow
[23:26] <mdszy> Well you're trying to run a full-on DE on 256MB of ram, no wonder it's slow.
[23:27] <Uuni> !seen gerrynjr
[23:27] <Uuni> is there a lastseen thing
[23:27] <mdszy> Clearly there isn't.
[23:27] <mdszy> Ask nickserv.
[23:27] <mdszy> He might tell you'
[23:27] <frikinz> rymate1234: what is /usr/bin/free saying
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[23:27] <rymate1234> I have 8MB ram free
[23:28] <jus10> Disturbingly the pi has about the same performance as the first computer which was completely mine. That ran Debian slink on 256 meg of ram
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[23:28] <frikinz> jus10: which probably costed you much more?
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[23:28] <clear`> anyway to update to more than 512mb of ram?
[23:28] <frikinz> rymate1234: -+ buffer/cache also?
[23:29] <jus10> frikinz: yes, it was a considerable amount of allowance money
[23:29] <rymate1234> I'll pastebin it
[23:29] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/kekF3NmG
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[23:30] <frikinz> yes, same for me probably, 25 years back in the past :)
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[23:30] <rymate1234> I think i'll go afk
[23:30] <arnorhs> is there anything i should get with the Pi? I didn't plan on hooking it up to a monitor/TV .. was just going to play with some small distros etc
[23:30] <jus10> rymate1234: 3rd line. you have 23 meg left not including buffers / cache
[23:30] <rymate1234> maybe it'll have loaded
[23:31] <jus10> arnorhs: you probably want to hook it to a tv to get the distros set up. if you have a hdmi cable laying around and a tv that works fine
[23:31] <frikinz> rymate1234: hitting badly swap :(
[23:31] <frikinz> vmstat etc..
[23:31] <jus10> arnorhs: I bought a power supply and the board from newark. I had the SD card and I bought the case from built-to-spec
[23:31] <arnorhs> ok
[23:32] <arnorhs> i don't have any kind of monitor, not even an old tv etc.. so i probably should get one?
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[23:33] <clear`> arnorhs: you have anything that had a screen that you can use?
[23:33] <clear`> make your own monitor
[23:33] <rikkib> Gee wiz 11:32:31.918466 IP bencom.co.nz.tproxy > crawl-66-249-77-49.googlebot.com.45574:
[23:33] <mdszy> andygraybeal, you can SSH into it and set it up without any display if you use Raspbian
[23:33] <mdszy> whoops
[23:33] <rikkib> Damn google
[23:33] <mdszy> arnorhs, rather
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[23:33] <mdszy> damned tab completion
[23:33] <clear`> block google in robots
[23:33] <arnorhs> no i don't
[23:33] <clear`> then i would suggest getting a small tv with hdmi
[23:34] <arnorhs> ok
[23:34] <mdszy> arnorhs, you can get a small HDMI display from Amazon for like $99
[23:34] <mdszy> USD, of course, not sure where you're from.
[23:34] <clear`> im sure you can get small monitors cheap
[23:34] <mdszy> http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VA1912A-LED-19-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B008FC8DFY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=37V1PUOVS05GP&coliid=I3UG5G694N0JNV
[23:34] <mdszy> sorry for the horrible URL
[23:34] <mdszy> but that's one
[23:35] <clear`> arnorhs: what will you be using the pi for?
[23:35] <clear`> do you even need a screen?
[23:35] <arnorhs> i saw one of these bad boys as well: http://www.amazon.com/3-5-Inch-TFT-Monitor-Automobile/dp/B0045IIZKU/ref=pd_sim_pc_17
[23:35] <mdszy> that would work too, arnorhs
[23:35] <mdszy> all you'd need is an RCA cable and you're set
[23:35] <arnorhs> clear`: i didn't plan on getting a screen because i was just going to play with using it as a mini webserver or something
[23:35] <clear`> then just ssh in
[23:36] <mdszy> arnorhs, you don't need any screen at all. Just SSH into the thing.
[23:36] <arnorhs> great, that's what I planned on doing
[23:36] <mdszy> that's what I'm doing
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[23:36] <mdszy> works like a charm
[23:36] <arnorhs> great, so i'lll stick to that plan :)
[23:36] <mdszy> good idea
[23:36] <arnorhs> somebody mentioned that i'd need a monitor
[23:36] <clear`> naw, dont need much
[23:36] <mdszy> not necessarially you don't
[23:36] <arnorhs> ok, great
[23:37] <clear`> internet connection
[23:37] <clear`> sdcard
[23:37] <mdszy> you honestly don't need much except for a few cables and a phone charger for a power supply and an SD card
[23:37] <arnorhs> i guess i'd not be utilizing the graphics chip very much
[23:37] <clear`> oh yea, charger
[23:37] <arnorhs> charger?
[23:37] <clear`> but i would get a powered usb hub
[23:37] <clear`> then use the hub as power source
[23:37] <mdszy> arnorhs, you can use a phone charger as a PSU for it
[23:37] <arnorhs> ah
[23:37] <mdszy> I'm using my laptop as a power supply for the thing right now, honestly
[23:37] <clear`> yea, just about any smart phone charger
[23:37] <clear`> im using my TV
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[23:38] <arnorhs> that sounds good
[23:39] <clear`> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254094
[23:39] <clear`> $75
[23:39] <jus10> that has a vga connection though
[23:39] <arnorhs> whoa.. nice
[23:40] <arnorhs> nice price at least :0
[23:40] <arnorhs> is 32GB the largest SD card you can get these days?
[23:40] <mdszy> nope
[23:40] <mdszy> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-064G-X46/dp/B0070WU51U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356907236&sr=8-1&keywords=64GB+SD+card
[23:41] <clear`> oh yea no hdmi
[23:41] <mdszy> pretty expensive, though
[23:41] <clear`> that sucks
[23:41] <mdszy> arnorhs, you shouldn't need one that big, though
[23:41] <mdszy> I'm using a 16GB one, but you'd be fine even with a 4GB one
[23:41] <clear`> yea im using 16gb also
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[23:42] <clear`> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00812K4V4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4
[23:42] <arnorhs> whoa.. 128 GB http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-064G-X46/dp/B0070WU51U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356907236&sr=8-1&keywords=64GB+SD+card
[23:43] <arnorhs> weird links
[23:43] <mdszy> only shows up in up to 64GB for me.
[23:43] <arnorhs> yeah, you can pick 128 from the list
[23:43] <vorsaykal> There's a 256 GB SD card. If you're into spending $900.
[23:43] <mdszy> oh I found 128
[23:43] <mdszy> I couldn't, arnorhs
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[23:43] <mdszy> only $400 for me, vorsaykal!
[23:43] <arnorhs> mdszy: dang.. i'm in the US http://cl.ly/image/0a1i17081O3V
[23:43] <arnorhs> $142 for 128 GB
[23:44] <mdszy> lol, looked up 512GB ones, saw one for $15, then saw it was 512MB
[23:44] <arnorhs> haha
[23:44] <clear`> would be nice if there was an sd card adapter to connect say a SSD to the pi
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[23:44] <arnorhs> true
[23:44] <mdszy> that'd be pretty sweet
[23:44] <mdszy> but what you could do
[23:44] <arnorhs> but you can hook up hard drives to the PI, right?
[23:44] <mdszy> is hook an SSD up to a powered USB drive
[23:44] <clear`> would need its power power tho
[23:44] <arnorhs> yeah
[23:44] <mdszy> *hub
[23:44] <mdszy> arnorhs, but you need a powered hub, the Pi doesn't give it enough power
[23:45] <clear`> arnorhs: i have an external hdd connected to my pi
[23:45] <clear`> playing movies off it
[23:45] <mdszy> and then you could write your own bootloader to get it to boot from the SD onto the USB drive
[23:45] <mdszy> since it can only boot to SD
[23:45] <jus10> Just boot off a small SD card and have the OS on an external drive
[23:45] <arnorhs> ah
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[23:45] <jus10> I'm running off an 8gb amazon basic's card which I think was $8
[23:46] <mdszy> I got a 16 GB one from Amazon for like $10
[23:46] <jus10> I only have 6.1 gig free though unless I hook it to the NAS
[23:46] <mdszy> and I ordered a $10 USB wifi adaptor too
[23:47] <mdszy> arnorhs, if you have a kindle, you can hack that up into a display too!
[23:47] <mdszy> Somebody did that
[23:47] <mdszy> but you might end up breaking it in the process (the Kindle, that is)
[23:47] <arnorhs> so i'd be pretty set if i got a $10 USB wifi adaptor, a USB hub, an SD card of any size, and i guess maybe a case?
[23:47] <arnorhs> mdszy: hah, i actually do a have a kindle fire
[23:48] <mdszy> arnorhs, make sure it's a powered USB hub, and there's a list of hardware that works well with the Pi, I'd look to that before buying a Wifi adaptor
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[23:48] <mdszy> and I don't know how much you'd need a case, I'm not using one and I don't see myself needing one
[23:48] <arnorhs> ahh
[23:48] <arnorhs> ok, great
[23:49] <mdszy> here's that list
[23:49] <mdszy> http://www.elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[23:49] <rymate1234> hey
[23:49] <rymate1234> back
[23:49] <mdszy> here's where you'd find the wifi adaptors and stuff, arnorhs http://www.elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[23:50] <arnorhs> ah, thanks
[23:50] <mdszy> no problem!
[23:51] <brady2600> #churchofarduino
[23:51] <brady2600> woops
[23:51] <brady2600> forgot join
[23:51] <mdszy> lol
[23:52] <brady2600> man i hate how often i get headaches
[23:52] <clear`> i dont have a case yet
[23:52] <clear`> lol
[23:52] <clear`> brady2600: magnesium!
[23:53] <brady2600> magnesium helps with headaches? interesting
[23:53] <clear`> yup
[23:54] <mdszy> My dad certainly seems interested in the Pi, after seeing all the general electronics stuff you can do with it using the GPIO ports
[23:54] <frikinz> Also getting a lot of headaches for decades so I know pretty well how they come in my case..
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[23:54] <brady2600> i see the gpio as a bonus, i perfer to have an arduino talk to the pi via serial
[23:55] <frikinz> I need a relay card
[23:55] <brady2600> then use the pins on the arduino for relays etc
[23:55] <mdszy> I don't know if my dad realizes though that he'll have to learn a lot of programming stuff if he wants to get into that stuff
[23:55] <brady2600> relays, sensors, etc
[23:55] <brady2600> he should
[23:55] <brady2600> its an equitable skill.
[23:55] <mdszy> Aren't there nice Python libraries for that stuff?
[23:55] <mdszy> that is, interfacing with the GPIO
[23:55] <brady2600> yes
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[23:56] <brady2600> there is also python code for sending serial commands
[23:56] <mdszy> ah
[23:56] <brady2600> i like having a web server on the raspberry pi
[23:56] <brady2600> and then have the web server have a php framework like code igniter
[23:56] <brady2600> so you can have a login system, good security
[23:57] <brady2600> so you can log in, and trigger python , to send serial commands to the arduino
[23:57] * mdszy screws trying to use this RPi as a backup server, could think of many more useful things to use it for
[23:57] <brady2600> the arduino then triggers whatever your devises are
[23:57] <frikinz> no need for a complete webserver for this though
[23:57] <brady2600> im not really meaning a backup server
[23:57] <mdszy> brady2600, I know, but that's what I've been doing all day
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[23:57] <mdszy> and I'm saying screw it XD
[23:58] <brady2600> but you can then make web apps, and mind you php code can be realized on android devises
[23:58] <mdszy> yeah
[23:58] <brady2600> so you can make apps that can trigger stuff in your house
[23:58] <mdszy> and you can make an API interface to it and make some sort of Android app too
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[23:59] <SuperMiguel> So I'm trying to install archlinux into my raspberrypi, but i don't have access to the video ports of the rpi, after the install i need to have SSH access to it

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