#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-02

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <pksato> mumbles: all 4GB?
[0:00] <pksato> fdisk /dev/sdb
[0:00] <pksato> d
[0:00] <mumbles> if i try i get a cannout write to partition
[0:00] <pksato> w
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[0:00] <mdszy_> mumbles, is it mounted?
[0:00] <mumbles> it was
[0:01] <pksato> ah... auto mount block access, or mess all.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> fan't foramt when mounted..
[0:01] <mumbles> unable to open dev/sdb
[0:01] <mdszy_> gordonDrogon, no you fan't
[0:01] <mumbles> and when i unmount i get a no medium found
[0:02] <mumbles> but i can use the 8gb one that was in my eeepc 101
[0:02] <pksato> mumbles: run dmesg, and see if have erros about sdb or usb bus.
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[0:04] <UnaClocker> I love watching the server log for my webserver.. See what's being viewed on my site in real time.. :)
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[0:05] <sheldor> whats the latest coolest project?
[0:05] <sheldor> give me the news flash
[0:05] <sheldor> of 2013
[0:05] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: it's all about status pages. http://tafb.yi.org
[0:05] <TAFB_ssd> must be live updating though :)
[0:05] <mumbles> habari !
[0:05] <mumbles> though its not new.
[0:05] <mumbles> or even probably cool
[0:06] <sheldor> nice info TAFB_ssd
[0:06] <TAFB_ssd> sheldor: did you see mamepi?
[0:06] <TAFB_ssd> thanks :)
[0:06] <TAFB_ssd> it's not running on a Pi, but I ran the same thing on a Pi :)
[0:06] <TAFB_ssd> the Pi source code is even at the bottom
[0:06] <pksato> sheldor: http://www.raspberrypi.org/ :)
[0:06] <UnaClocker> I still think the latest coolest Pi trick is the FM transmitter that requires no additional hardware other than a 21cm wire attached to a GPIO pin.
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[0:07] <sheldor> mumbles: just another blog right?
[0:07] <mumbles> UnaClocker: ?
[0:07] <TAFB_ssd> UnaClocker: no wire is required, just touch it with your finger :)
[0:07] <sheldor> let me google mamepi
[0:07] <mumbles> sheldor: yeh written by some wordpress devs and others
[0:07] <sheldor> okay not bad
[0:07] <UnaClocker> mumbles: http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[0:07] <sheldor> UnaClocker: whoa that does sound cool!
[0:07] <sheldor> haha
[0:07] <mumbles> habariproject.org
[0:09] <mumbles> going to have to try that
[0:09] <pksato> make improved PiFM with "realtime" audio modulation. (mic)
[0:10] <frikinz> wise use of python
[0:11] <UnaClocker> hehe, before I got a Pi, I had no Python experience. Now I have enough to know I don't like Python. ;)
[0:11] <sheldor> TAFB_ssd: retropie comes with mame included
[0:11] <TAFB_ssd> nice
[0:11] <sheldor> i already have a retropie
[0:11] <sheldor> yeah its cool
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[0:17] <gordonDrogon> before I got a Pi, I had no Python experience either. I still don't.
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[0:30] <gordonDrogon> want a $65K PC? http://app.audiogon.com/listings/media-servers-core-audio-technology-kryptos-ultimate-media-server-a-cost-no-object-marvel-2012-12-10-computer-audio-91403
[0:31] <ambro718> yeah, software PWM sucks. I guess I'll have to extend the gpio kernel driver to support PWM.
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[0:32] <gordonDrogon> ambro718, I think there already might be one.
[0:33] <ambro718> gordonDrogon: where?
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> in the kernel.
[0:33] <ambro718> you mean software PWM in the kernel?
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> however I've just seem it in passing, never actually looked at it.
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> last time I built a linux kernel for a server (not the pi)
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> however, you might want to look for something called servoblaster
[0:34] <ambro718> there's some PWM drivers in drivers/pwm but it doesn't support whatever is on the RPi
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> that's a kernel module for the Pi that's designed to do the 'pwm' that RC servos use.
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> or make your program setuid and use wiringPi's software PWM :)
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> although even that isn't perfect.
[0:34] <gordonDrogon> usually good enough for LEDs and motors though.
[0:34] <mumbles> wow its just messed up the 8gb
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[0:37] <mumbles> going to bed.
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> hm. good idea..
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> I might do the same!
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[0:48] <hmmm> exit
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[0:56] <fuzz1981> pi@raspberrypi /sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:device0 $ cat name
[0:56] <fuzz1981> mpu6050
[0:56] <fuzz1981> :)
[0:56] <fuzz1981> now just need to figure out the gpio interrupt stuff and it should be fully functional
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[1:07] <biberao> who uses
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[1:08] <biberao> xbian?
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[1:21] <dr_willis> xbain works well for me.
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[1:27] <fuzz1981> anyone know how to enable a pullup on a gpio pin?
[1:29] <[SLB]> gpio mode <pin> [up|down|tri]
[1:29] <fuzz1981> hmm where's the gpio utility?
[1:30] <[SLB]> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
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[1:30] <fuzz1981> nice thanks .. you wouldn't know about interrupts would you? :)
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[1:31] <[SLB]> yw, nop sorry eheh
[1:32] <fuzz1981> driver is on IRQ_GPIO2 but don't think it will quite work yet :) 51: 0 ARMCTRL inv_irq
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[1:40] <fuzz1981> hrm .. either the chip is pulling it low or pullup isn't working
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[1:55] <netw1z> oh yeaah RPI on a hangover!
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[2:07] <aikiraichu> anyone plan to build some cool NVGs with the sony flex glass that will come out eventually?
[2:07] <aikiraichu> and a raspberry pi?
[2:09] <aikiraichu> anyone even here?
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[2:10] <techkid6> We are, just didn't think to do that :P
[2:10] <techkid6> Well, I am here :P
[2:10] <aikiraichu> ah
[2:10] <techkid6> I am always here xD
[2:10] <aikiraichu> wouldn't it be cool to make a 300 or so dollar DIY NVG inside maybe some ski goggles?
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[2:11] <Torikun> yo
[2:11] <Torikun> yo
[2:11] <aikiraichu> wonder if i could bribe sony into making a usb or HDMI interfaced flex glass
[2:12] <techkid6> You know, that was one of the things I was planning on designing, similarly, but I have no money xD
[2:12] <techkid6> I got my pi as a gift actually xD
[2:12] <netw1z> i want some flex glass
[2:12] <netw1z> and wrap it around my wrist like a comptuer fist
[2:13] <aikiraichu> would be cool for an HUD or something like an ironman helmet
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[2:14] <techkid6> I was thinking of something similar to what was in that kids show, Neds Declassified, with that kid Cookie who wears the thing on his glasses :P
[2:14] <aikiraichu> google glass type thing
[2:14] <aikiraichu> but inside real glasses
[2:15] <netw1z> id coat my ceiling with it
[2:15] <netw1z> and lay in bed and compute
[2:15] <aikiraichu> goggles would be easier though, because you don't have to modify it at all
[2:15] <aikiraichu> because of the large area of glass/plasitc
[2:15] <aikiraichu> just put a monitor on your ceiling
[2:15] <atouk> isnt the ceiling over your bed coated enough already?
[2:16] <aikiraichu> hehe
[2:16] <Torikun> http://rushersdomain.blogspot.com/2013/01/removing-logging-to-increase-apache-on.html
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[2:23] <jardiamj> Hi guys! after some months of not having time to play with my raspberrypi I plugged it back in today, but it doesn't want to boot
[2:24] <Torikun> SD card in snug?
[2:24] <Torikun> Verified Power supply works ?
[2:24] <jardiamj> the power light comes on but the green light looks very dim.
[2:24] <Torikun> Can you try flashing the SD card?
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[2:24] <jardiamj> I just measured the power between TP1 and TP2
[2:24] <Torikun> with a new OS
[2:25] <jardiamj> the multimeter says around 5.7
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[2:25] <Torikun> got a display on it?
[2:25] <jardiamj> nothing
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[2:26] <jardiamj> my doesn't even identify that there is an HDMI device connected
[2:26] <Torikun> wow
[2:26] <Torikun> I would reflash the SD card
[2:26] <Torikun> and see if that resolved it
[2:26] <jardiamj> I was reading that the voltage should be between 4.75 and 5.25
[2:27] <jardiamj> mine has more than 5.25, it's around 5.7/5.75
[2:27] <jardiamj> I already reflashed the SD card with the newest image I downloaded from the website
[2:28] <Torikun> hmmm
[2:28] <Torikun> using the same SD card that worked before?
[2:28] <jardiamj> yes, does the voltage between TP1 and TP2 look OK to you?
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[2:29] <Torikun> I am not sure about the voltage
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[2:30] <jardiamj> a couple of months ago I moved to a new house, so I packed my RPi in the same boxed I got, and just today I unboxed it again to try it, with exact same powe supply and SD Card as before..
[2:30] <Torikun> Hmmm sounds like its broke
[2:31] <jardiamj> that's what I am afraid, but I am still in denial.
[2:32] <Torikun> was it in a case?
[2:32] <jardiamj> no, no case
[2:32] <Torikun> anything could of happened then lol
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[2:37] <jardiamj> I know... F****
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[2:45] <aikiraichu> wonder how much it would cost to have sony make some flex glass that fits inside glasses
[2:46] <jardiamj> well, I will just gonna wait and hope that the polyfuse was the problem
[2:47] <jardiamj> I will try with another power supply later
[2:49] <aikiraichu> is there a way to power a PI with batteries or something?
[2:49] <aikiraichu> to be mobile?
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[2:52] <jardiamj> aikiraichu, apparently your can use 4 AA batteries, but I haven't tried...
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[2:53] <jardiamj> I am pulling my hair out right now, because my RPi doesn't boot...
[2:53] <aikiraichu> thats what i heard, but how?
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[2:55] <dr_willis> aikiraichu: i have some of those cell-phone-charger battery packs that can run my pi for several hours
[2:55] <dr_willis> newtrend has several kinds. ;)
[2:55] <dr_willis> new-trent
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[2:58] <aikiraichu> just use a USB to Micro usb and one of the battery packs?
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[2:58] <dr_willis> yep
[2:59] <dr_willis> same as if i was chargeing a phone
[2:59] <dr_willis> use one with a 1A port . not a 500mA port
[2:59] <aikiraichu> http://www.newtrent.com/store/iphone-external-battery/icarrier.html this fine?
[2:59] <dr_willis> now if i could power a usb hub from the 2A port i would be all set. ;)
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[3:00] <dr_willis> thats one i have aikiraichu . gotts love how the term iPhone is the new must have buzz word...
[3:01] <dr_willis> that one is big ans weigs like a lb.
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[3:01] <aikiraichu> dang
[3:01] <dr_willis> was like $65 on amazon
[3:01] <dr_willis> it is 12000 mAH
[3:02] <dr_willis> biggest one ive seen
[3:02] <aikiraichu> what would i do with it mobile?
[3:02] <aikiraichu> maybe those NVGs with the flex glass
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[3:03] <dr_willis> i used it last week so i dident have to run a power cord to my pi when i was demoing it
[3:04] <aikiraichu> i dont even know what i will do with a pi besides just mess around with it
[3:05] <aikiraichu> and the NV stuff
[3:07] <dr_willis> wife took one of mine for her media player.
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[3:07] <dr_willis> xbian works very well
[3:07] <dr_willis> other i can use for a upnp server/media player/znc server
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[3:09] <ambro718> what's the maximum voltage that can be brought to the micro usb port?
[3:09] <ambro718> is there a regulator built into the board?
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[3:10] <aikiraichu> can i just watch youtube and play music and stuff?
[3:11] <aikiraichu> can i use external HDDs and make a storage server?
[3:12] <PhotoJim> Sure.
[3:13] <PhotoJim> Won't be the fastest server ever, but perfectly capable.
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[3:13] <dr_willis> external usb on a usb hub works here
[3:14] <dr_willis> xbian has a youtube plugin that worked
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[3:17] <aikiraichu> i was really going to load like linux server or just linux onto it
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[3:23] <aikiraichu> would that work?
[3:23] <dr_willis> raspian is good for that
[3:23] <PhotoJim> As it would on any system.
[3:24] <dr_willis> theres non linux os's also ;-)
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[3:24] <PhotoJim> Raspbian and Arch Linux are the most optimized OSes for the Pi though.
[3:25] <KiltedPi> Raspbian is just wheezy but with minor tweaks for pi
[3:25] <KiltedPi> @_@
[3:25] <PhotoJim> Yes. Minor in implementation, but not minor in effect.
[3:26] <plugwash> well if you consider rebuilding every package with changed compiler settings to be "minor tweaks"
[3:28] <dr_willis> im sort of cheating and using a xbian install as my server. ;)
[3:29] <KiltedPi> I dunno. depends what you want to do I suppose?
[3:29] <KiltedPi> Like, "If it runs on wheezy"
[3:29] <KiltedPi> Then your good.
[3:29] <KiltedPi> you're
[3:30] <aikiraichu> the fuck would i do with a server though
[3:30] <dr_willis> depends on your needs
[3:30] <aikiraichu> i dont even use up my 1TB HDD i have on my desktop
[3:30] <aikiraichu> i really dont have any needs
[3:30] <dr_willis> i use znc on mine so i irc into it, then get here
[3:31] <mdszy> Why is it that you need to buy an MPEG-2 license to decode on the RPi?
[3:31] <dr_willis> why do you need a pc.... ;)
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[3:31] <aikiraichu> how could i IRC it?
[3:31] <dr_willis> aikiraichu: i installed znc. then give the irc client my ip# of tthe pi.
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[3:32] <dr_willis> znc is an irc bouncer
[3:32] <jardiamj> Checking my RPi I noticed what it seems like a burn resistor
[3:32] <dr_willis> its always connected here. so i can get here from any of my pcs or phone
[3:32] <aikiraichu> thats awesome
[3:32] <aikiraichu> i want to do THAT
[3:33] <aikiraichu> as well as the NVGs and stuff
[3:33] <dr_willis> nvgs?
[3:33] <jardiamj> that might be what is wrong with it..
[3:33] <aikiraichu> night vision goggles
[3:33] <aikiraichu> take some sony flex glass
[3:34] <aikiraichu> get them to create sony flex glass with an HDMI output
[3:34] <aikiraichu> get two cameras
[3:34] <aikiraichu> take off the IR filter
[3:34] <dr_willis> id rather have an e-ink hdmi monitor
[3:34] <aikiraichu> wire a crapload of IR LEDs into some pair of goggles
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[3:35] <atouk> e-ink hdmi?
[3:35] <aikiraichu> assemble onto goggles
[3:35] <dr_willis> saw some prototype android phones with a notmal display on one side. a e-ink one on the other. ;)
[3:36] <KiltedPi> you can use a ps3 eye camera that way
[3:36] <KiltedPi> And they are only a few quid.
[3:36] <dr_willis> for what i do in my phone. e-ink would work
[3:36] <jardiamj> would something like this be covered by the warranty?
[3:36] <jardiamj> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=btd3&s=6
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[3:37] <KiltedPi> taking IR filters off is a wee bit dangerous too tho, no?
[3:38] <aikiraichu> not really
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[3:38] <aikiraichu> maybe
[3:38] <aikiraichu> i havent tried
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[3:38] <aikiraichu> but the video i saw made it look really easy
[3:38] <dr_willis> ir filters on a webcam? dangerous to who?
[3:38] <aikiraichu> yea
[3:39] <tb01110100> I have a very annoying bug with Arch Linux where the CLI spits out "USB Devices found" messages randomly. Does anybody know how I might fix this? Rebooting doesn't help, btw and there are no loose cables.
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[3:39] <KiltedPi> Oh
[3:40] <KiltedPi> I thought taking an IR filter off a camera might emit something dangerous. I dunno! I'm new to electronics
[3:40] <KiltedPi> My background is in software.
[3:40] <dr_willis> tb01110100: if its a kernel message thats on the consoles. on ubuntu i know therees a /etc/sysctrl.conf file (i think) that can reduuuce kernel messages. not sure where arch would do it
[3:40] <dr_willis> the ir filter... filtere light comming into the camera...
[3:40] <aikiraichu> my background is in nothing, as i barely know any HTML, and no other programming at all
[3:41] <dr_willis> its not an ir laser beam ;)
[3:41] <KiltedPi> heh
[3:41] <KiltedPi> :)
[3:41] <KiltedPi> As socrates once said-
[3:41] <KiltedPi> "before true knowledge can be earned, you must first admit you know nothing at all"
[3:41] <tb01110100> dr_willis: Nope, no such file in /etc.
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[3:42] <brady2600> anyone have any idea to get hidden services running on a raspberry pi?
[3:42] <tb01110100> I can still run commands, but the messages get VERY annoying.
[3:42] <dr_willis> tb01110100: arch has gotten to weird for me. i gave up on it ages ago. id check its wiki for kernel log messages/levels
[3:42] <dr_willis> theres bound to be a setting somewhere for it
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[3:42] <tb01110100> dr_willis: Arch on RPi, or Arch in general?
[3:43] <dr_willis> i use ubuntu these days
[3:43] <dr_willis> dumped arch totally about 3 yr back
[3:43] <tb01110100> I had Arch working just fine earlier, then I screwed up the boot config and had to redo everything :)
[3:43] <tb01110100> now Arch spits out the messages.
[3:44] <tb01110100> Asides from that, everything works fine.
[3:44] <dr_willis> could be a power issue
[3:44] <dr_willis> everything seems tto be a power issue with the pi
[3:44] <dr_willis> ;)
[3:44] <dr_willis> check dmesg output also.
[3:44] <dr_willis> might give a clue
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[3:45] <dr_willis> last time i had an issue like that it was a flakey webcam on a laptop
[3:45] <tb01110100> Well, it spits out TONS of new USB device messages. :)
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[3:45] <dr_willis> console was unuseable due to kernel messages
[3:45] <dr_willis> sounds like a similer issue
[3:46] <tb01110100> Ah well, I'll just wipe the SD card again, reinstall and hope it works this time. :)
[3:46] <dr_willis> i had to reduce the kernel log levels to hide the messages
[3:46] <KiltedPi> I'm aware of the -lsusb command
[3:46] <KiltedPi> Its neat
[3:46] <KiltedPi> I just learned about it, and some other BASH
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[3:47] <KiltedPi> I can't wait to reprogram some toys
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[3:48] <shapr> Is there some way to ask my Pi the class of the SD card it has?
[3:48] <KiltedPi> My 'kid' and I are building the OWI edge tomorrow
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[3:48] <KiltedPi> 'class'?
[3:48] <tb01110100> shapr: It should say on the card itself.
[3:48] <tb01110100> shapr: Mine's a class 4.
[3:48] <shapr> tb01110100: It claims to be class 10, but my class 6 card actually seems to be faster, thus my question.
[3:49] <tb01110100> shapr: Hmmmm...
[3:49] <KiltedPi> Whats a class of SD card?
[3:49] <shapr> KiltedPi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating
[3:50] <KiltedPi> roger that shapr
[3:50] <KiltedPi> Speed is important with SD?
[3:50] <tb01110100> dr_willis: Hehehe... shut down, unplugged and replugged all cables, rebooted, and so far I'm not getting any messages... :D
[3:50] <Xark> shapr: I noticed the same thing. Also my class 6 has been much more robust in the RPi (no issues for a few months now).
[3:50] <shapr> KiltedPi: for some devices, like video cams, it's very important.
[3:50] <KiltedPi> Ah!
[3:50] <KiltedPi> Very pertinent!
[3:50] <KiltedPi> thanks
[3:50] <shapr> But for the raspberry pi it's roughly equivalent to "hard drive speed"
[3:50] <KiltedPi> I'll be working with a cam, with our wildlife recording project
[3:51] <shapr> where faster is better, but maybe not affordable :-)
[3:51] <shapr> Sounds like fun
[3:51] <KiltedPi> I'm using some playstation eye cams
[3:51] <KiltedPi> it should prove to be yep
[3:51] <shapr> Oh I've heard those are easy to repurpose for just about anything
[3:51] <shapr> I'd like to get some.
[3:51] <KiltedPi> The quality was pretty good at 340x280
[3:51] <tb01110100> KiltedPi: Sounds like awesome! Can't wait 'till I know enough to try stuff like that :)
[3:51] <KiltedPi> And you can turn them into NVC's yeah
[3:52] <KiltedPi> tb! I don't have a CLUE about electronics!
[3:52] <KiltedPi> I'm a software programmer myself
[3:52] <shapr> tb01110100: So, haven't heard of something in /proc that tells me the reported class of my sdhc card?
[3:52] <tb01110100> KiltedPi: Same here. :)
[3:52] <shapr> KiltedPi: same here, just learning about electronics
[3:52] <KiltedPi> My dad helped me build the LED test circuit that simply lights up!
[3:53] <KiltedPi> I remember doing it... Ach! maybe ten years ago in science class!
[3:53] <dr_willis> ive seen class 10 for the same price or cheaper then same sized class 4 - on sale.
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[3:53] <KiltedPi> The quality of the eye cam when using a removed IR filter-
[3:53] <KiltedPi> Well...
[3:53] <KiltedPi> It wasn't -too- great.
[3:53] <tb01110100> shapr: Sorry, don't know much about stuff like that. I don't know why a class 6 would be faster than a 10. The class of the card SHOULD be what it says on the card. Sorry I can't help you futher.
[3:53] <KiltedPi> I wanted better pics of the neighbouring foxes and things.
[3:54] <KiltedPi> But! At $5 a cam- you can't argue.
[3:54] <dr_willis> whats the point of removeing the filter? i missed that
[3:54] <KiltedPi> Night vision-
[3:54] <KiltedPi> NVC*
[3:54] <aikiraichu> with IR leds
[3:54] <tb01110100> KiltedPi: Whereabouts do you live?
[3:54] <shapr> tb01110100: I appreciate the friendliness in any case :-)
[3:54] <KiltedPi> Scotland.
[3:54] <tb01110100> Oh Ho!
[3:54] <KiltedPi> West coast!
[3:54] <tb01110100> shapr: Awesome!@
[3:54] <dr_willis> guides i saw put a different filter in. replaceing the ir filter
[3:54] <shapr> Xark: If you find out some way to ask the Pi for the class of its SD card, I'd like to hear about it.
[3:55] <tb01110100> I'm in the States myself.
[3:55] <KiltedPi> Ach! need some sleep long day tomorrow gais
[3:55] <dr_willis> so it only saw ir
[3:55] <tb01110100> lol KiltedPi no wonder your nick.
[3:55] <KiltedPi> :)
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[3:55] <KiltedPi> nite!
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[3:55] <aikiraichu> only seeing IR would be good for NV only goggles
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[3:55] <aikiraichu> Not so much for NV HUD goggles
[3:56] <shapr> Also, is there some way to *under*clock my raspi?
[3:56] <dr_willis> this was a guide for x ray vision to see through clothing. ;)
[3:56] <shapr> I read the article on *over*clocking in The MagPi issue 7, but I want to reduce the power required...
[3:56] <dr_willis> from years back
[3:56] <dr_willis> shapr i think thats doable also
[3:57] <shapr> cool, I'll look it up.
[3:57] <tb01110100> Is it relativly safe to OC the Pi to 1Ghz?
[3:57] <dr_willis> same config file.
[3:57] <dr_willis> ive not tried any oc'ing.
[3:57] <shapr> tb01110100: The MagPi issue 7 said it depends on your SD card and your particular Pi
[3:57] <tb01110100> MagPi Issue 7? Thx, I'll check it out.
[3:57] <shapr> tb01110100: page 18 of issue 7
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[3:58] <aikiraichu> where can i find a PI for 35 instead of 43 here:http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/default.aspx
[3:58] <torgo> Can anyone help me with some basic shell scripting?
[3:58] <tb01110100> aikiraichu: Element14?
[3:59] <shapr> torgo: Probably, what are you trying to do?
[3:59] <torgo> my camera went crazy and downloaded all my files as .jpg.download
[3:59] <torgo> i'm trying to bulk rename them to just .jpg
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[4:00] <torgo> lemme show you what i have so far...
[4:00] <shapr> for x in *.jpg.download; do mv $x $(basename $x); done;
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[4:00] <Torikun> yo
[4:01] <shapr> torgo: It's something much like that, but you should TEST that on some test files first!
[4:01] <dr_willis> i tend to use the qmv command for mass renameing
[4:01] <dr_willis> its part of the rename utils package on ubuntu. not sure about rasbian
[4:01] <torgo> http://ix.io/3P0
[4:01] <torgo> yeah heh
[4:01] <dr_willis> test with 'echo' first
[4:01] <shapr> oh wait, I found a bug already
[4:02] <shapr> for x in *.jpg.download; do mv $x $(basename $x .download); done;
[4:02] <dr_willis> spaces in filenames = issues
[4:02] <torgo> shell scripting is weird...
[4:02] <torgo> i don't get it
[4:02] <torgo> i am a programmer by trade but shell just kills me
[4:03] <dr_willis> yse python, or per; then ;)
[4:03] <mdszy> it's not that weird
[4:03] <dr_willis> perl
[4:03] <mdszy> the syntax is just a little strange
[4:03] <mdszy> especially when it's compacted onto a single line
[4:03] <torgo> well that's what i mean :)
[4:03] <torgo> unusual syntax
[4:03] <torgo> then again i thnik perl is weird too :)
[4:03] <mdszy> it's not bad -- actually pretty powerful -- once you learn how it works
[4:03] <shapr> You can some some srsly nifty things though, like writing a spell-check in one line of shell script.
[4:04] <clear`> i need to put together a want list for my pi and place an order
[4:04] <tb01110100> torgo: You don't have to compact it onto a single line. Use one line per command.
[4:04] <torgo> will do
[4:04] <clear`> i need a case, wifi adapter, bluetooth and or remote
[4:04] <dr_willis> order first. ;) it may take a while to ship
[4:04] <clear`> well i have 1 pi already
[4:04] <clear`> will be ording more eventually
[4:04] <dr_willis> i need like 3 more
[4:04] <torgo> i got mine in 1 week
[4:05] <mdszy> I'm gonna be getting a Wifi adaptor soon
[4:05] <torgo> ordered it from someone on amazon
[4:05] <clear`> yea i was going to order 4 more
[4:05] <mdszy> why do you guys get cases? I'm not really sure why it would be needed
[4:05] <torgo> it's.... awesome?
[4:05] <clear`> not needed
[4:05] <dr_willis> mdszy: protection
[4:05] <clear`> but i dont want to accidently short it out ;\
[4:05] <aikiraichu> if i had a 3d printer i would print a kickass one
[4:05] <dr_willis> and to screw it down so it dont dangle from your desk
[4:05] <aikiraichu> but they are not cheap
[4:06] <mdszy> I wonder if it'd be too hard to build one of my own
[4:06] <mdszy> I live near our family farm, which has a big, really great shop with all sorts of tools for stuff like that
[4:06] <dr_willis> i made one from a wooden box last week..
[4:06] <clear`> you can get one for $1000
[4:06] <mdszy> clear`, what? Holy crap. That kinda defeats the point of a $35 computer once you spend that much XD
[4:06] <clear`> found one on CL for $750
[4:06] <aikiraichu> i wish i had 1000 to drop on a 3d printer
[4:06] <clear`> i should have bought it
[4:07] <aikiraichu> 3d printer, not a case
[4:07] <clear`> yea printer lol
[4:07] <dr_willis> got a cnc machine shop 500 ft from me. ;) i could make a pi case from solid brass.. if i had the brass..
[4:07] <clear`> lol
[4:07] <dr_willis> wire edm machine. and fancy stuff
[4:07] <clear`> we have a few cnc shops around, i thought about getting a mold made for a case
[4:07] <clear`> and try to sell them
[4:07] <clear`> :P
[4:07] <Torikun> I use the cheap plastic case from amazon
[4:08] <Torikun> 20$
[4:08] <clear`> i was looking at the $7 cases lol
[4:08] <dr_willis> i likr the plywood cases with mounting holes
[4:08] <clear`> im cheap
[4:08] <Torikun> all the money you out in the pi and you can get a netbook lok
[4:09] <dr_willis> picade cabinent
[4:09] <clear`> pi is for development
[4:09] <clear`> and learning
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[4:10] <dr_willis> haxoring ;) since hacking is a meaningless term these days
[4:10] <Torikun> it is
[4:10] <clear`> it is
[4:10] <Torikun> after Ubuntu became popular everyone on Linux is a hacker
[4:11] <atouk> ever since teh movie "Hackers" came out, everyone is a hacker
[4:11] <Torikun> do anything to a computer and your a hacker
[4:11] <dr_willis> thats backtrack.. ;)
[4:12] <clear`> lol
[4:12] <axion> no, try to learn about how something works, and you're a hacker.
[4:12] <Torikun> netbus
[4:12] <clear`> ubuntu makes linux soo easy
[4:12] <axion> you can use a computer without being a hacker
[4:12] <Torikun> or break one
[4:12] <atouk> ubuntu is for operating a linux machine without having to actually learn any linux
[4:12] <clear`> for the most part
[4:12] <Torikun> not reslly
[4:13] <clear`> it helped me convert a few people to linux OS instead of windows
[4:13] * atouk waits for all the ubuntu users to get defensive
[4:13] <axion> ubuntu raises more questions and adds more linux mysticism than it solves
[4:13] <clear`> which now i never have to fix peoples computers :D
[4:13] <Torikun> you still Need cli
[4:13] <Torikun> I use arch and centos at home
[4:14] <clear`> atouk: no need for defense, you hit the nail on the head
[4:14] <mdszy> I use Fedora
[4:14] <clear`> ubuntu is super user friendly
[4:14] <atouk> so is a rock
[4:14] <Torikun> with unity?
[4:14] <atouk> pick up, bang on head
[4:14] <clear`> lol
[4:14] <clear`> well 12.10 isnt
[4:14] <clear`> i hated unity
[4:14] <clear`> xfce ftw!
[4:14] <dr_willis> wife has no isssues with unity.. shes 52 yrs old
[4:15] <dr_willis> shes now learning her way around xbmc
[4:15] <atouk> what's that one with the ugly brown background and the icons on the left
[4:15] <clear`> i didnt like it at all
[4:15] <clear`> atouk: no clue
[4:16] <dr_willis> so it would be ok it they were on the right and it was hot pink?
[4:16] <dr_willis> ;)
[4:16] <axion> having _anything_ on a root window is pointless
[4:17] <dr_willis> i dont see how that applies to unity actually.
[4:17] <axion> if you care about productivity, err...hacking
[4:18] <dr_willis> prohactivity
[4:18] <axion> throw away the mouse while yu're at it, and get things done faster
[4:19] <aikiraichu> so, when i get a pi
[4:20] <aikiraichu> how will i set it up to be an IRC bouncer with ZNC?
[4:20] <clear`> install znc?
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[4:21] <aikiraichu> how could i make it into a storage server?
[4:21] <clear`> add an external hard drive
[4:21] <clear`> then you can either just use ftp
[4:21] <dr_willis> install znc.. configure znc.. run znc
[4:21] <axion> depends which operating system you put on your pi, and then it would be the same as any other device with said operating system
[4:21] <clear`> or set it up cloud
[4:22] <clear`> apt-get install znc!
[4:22] <clear`> but that depends on the OS
[4:22] <dr_willis> i use sftp to get to files via my phone
[4:22] <clear`> my external hard drive started clicking
[4:22] <clear`> =Z
[4:22] <dr_willis> for znc on rasbian i had to enable ipv6 somehow for znc to work
[4:22] <clear`> psybnc might be easier
[4:23] <aikiraichu> can i stick ubuntu server and slap an external HDD on it?
[4:23] <clear`> but i thought both were easy to install and setup
[4:23] <clear`> dont think ubuntu server runs on it just yet
[4:23] <shapr> You can certainly put an external usb hdd on your pi though.
[4:23] <aikiraichu> what server would i have to use, rasbian?
[4:23] <torgo> yay it works
[4:23] <torgo> thanks shapr :D
[4:23] <shapr> torgo: yay! I'm glad I could help!
[4:24] <clear`> i use raspbian, works fine for me
[4:24] <shapr> I also use rasbian, with ssh -X for graphical programs (since my desktop and laptop are also Debian).
[4:24] <aikiraichu> what HDD enclosure can i use?
[4:25] <torgo> arch :D
[4:25] <clear`> any?
[4:25] <dr_willis> aikiraichu: most any
[4:25] <shapr> aikiraichu: doesn't matter, as long as it has a USB plug
[4:25] <clear`> the enclosure doesnt matter, just needs to be usb :P
[4:25] <clear`> and powered
[4:25] <aikiraichu> cant find a good one though
[4:25] <dr_willis> theres 1000's of them ;)
[4:25] <shapr> I'm using an adapter that has usb on one end and SATA on the other.
[4:25] <clear`> newegg
[4:25] <aikiraichu> needs to hold like 3 TB
[4:25] <dr_willis> wd makes them.
[4:26] <dr_willis> as does most other makers
[4:26] <dr_willis> i got like 4 usb hds. 3TB in size
[4:26] <dr_willis> may as well get usb3 just in case. ;)
[4:26] <aikiraichu> 4 3TB HDDs?
[4:26] <clear`> i will eventually just setup a NAS
[4:26] <TAFB_ssd> i got two 3tb's for $99USD each, crazy deal :)
[4:27] <aikiraichu> WHERE
[4:27] <clear`> black friday
[4:27] <clear`> newegg
[4:27] <aikiraichu> DAMN YOU
[4:27] <dr_willis> local stores had them for like $100 at xmas time
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[4:27] <TAFB_ssd> aikiraichu: at a Staples, one day sale :)
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[4:28] <TAFB_ssd> http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive_L.jpg
[4:28] <aikiraichu> found a rosewill enclosure
[4:28] <TAFB_ssd> http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/Seagate%203GB%20Go%20Flex%20external%20hard%20drives%20from%20Staples_L.png
[4:28] <aikiraichu> now to find the HDDs
[4:28] <TAFB_ssd> nice
[4:28] <dr_willis> cheaper to get the enclosuer with the hd included allready i find...
[4:29] <TAFB_ssd> I hooked the drive up as eSata and recycled the docking/nas stations as web/email servers! woot: http://tafb.yi.org
[4:29] <Torikun> cool
[4:29] <dr_willis> hd alone costs as much as the hd+enclosure last i checked
[4:30] <aikiraichu> where can i get an HDD and enclosure?
[4:30] <aikiraichu> the 3TB ones
[4:30] <dr_willis> most evey store on the planet.
[4:30] <Torikun> go sb
[4:30] <dr_willis> staples, bestbuy, amazon,,
[4:31] <aikiraichu> newegg
[4:31] <Torikun> go bestbuy or frys
[4:31] <aikiraichu> ?
[4:31] <TAFB_ssd> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Seagate-FreeAgent-GoFlex-Desk-3-TB-USB-3-0-External-Hard-Drive-STAC3000102-NEW-/400373607204?pt=US_External_Hard_Disk_Drives&hash=item5d38206b24
[4:31] <dr_willis> frys has the best deals here
[4:31] <dr_willis> bestbuy = worst prices
[4:32] <dr_willis> online, amazon, or newegg
[4:32] <dr_willis> or pricewatch.com ;)
[4:32] <aikiraichu> 4TB for 210
[4:32] <aikiraichu> not bad
[4:32] <aikiraichu> seagate
[4:33] <aikiraichu> not way will i ever fill 4tb
[4:33] <aikiraichu> maybe ill make it a porn server or something
[4:33] <dr_willis> 4tbs are 'new' ;) not seen them in stores yet
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[4:33] <aikiraichu> just store all my porn on it
[4:33] <aikiraichu> who am i kidding, who downloads porn
[4:33] <TAFB_ssd> aikiraichu: that's what I thought when I had 8tb, now it's full and I need more :)
[4:33] <dr_willis> 3tb for $100 4tb for $200 seems.. overpriced
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> when I got my new internet, the TB's filled up fast: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2376827100.png
[4:34] <aikiraichu> the crap you live?
[4:34] <aikiraichu> the US?
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> Canada
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[4:35] <aikiraichu> i need to move to kansas city
[4:35] <TAFB_ssd> normally costs $99, or $150 when I go over my cap. But I went over the cap by 3.2TB last month, and I got a letter say that they arn't going to max my cap at a $50 overage charge... interesting to see what this months bill will be :)
[4:36] <TAFB_ssd> i wanna move to Wilson, NC :) http://www.greenlightnc.com/about/internet/
[4:36] <TAFB_ssd> too bad I'm not allowed in the USA :(
[4:36] <aikiraichu> what did you do?
[4:36] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.xxx/rcmp/
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[4:37] <aikiraichu> you tried to smuggle firearms into canada?
[4:37] <TAFB_ssd> smuggle isn't the right word
[4:37] <bsd1101> xxx.....
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[4:38] <Torikun> lol
[4:38] <aikiraichu> but you did it?
[4:38] <TAFB_ssd> if it's blocked for ya just use one of my other domains, http://ecuflashking.com/rcmp etc.
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[4:38] <Torikun> so many
[4:38] <TAFB_ssd> smuggle? no. Import? Yep. Done it lots of times, never a problem, except for that time :)
[4:38] <aikiraichu> you, i like
[4:38] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[4:38] <aikiraichu> nice PS90s
[4:39] <aikiraichu> wish i had one
[4:39] <TAFB_ssd> thanks, loved the PS90's :) super fun.
[4:39] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.xxx/guns/pictures/10.3%20PS90%20PICS/large/PICT1833.JPG
[4:39] <aikiraichu> how long of a fucking barrel do you need on a shotgun?
[4:40] <TAFB_ssd> rofl :)
[4:40] <TAFB_ssd> that's my sniper barrel
[4:40] <shapr> hey, watch the language :-P
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[4:40] <shapr> this is a family oriented channel
[4:40] <Torikun> nice
[4:40] <TAFB_ssd> usually it lives with a 12.5" barrel in a tactical setup
[4:40] <aikiraichu> sorry
[4:40] <aikiraichu> wait, in canada do they care about barrel length?
[4:40] <TAFB_ssd> they sure do
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> not allowed under 14"
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> usualluy
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> :
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> )
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> here's how the shotty normally lives: http://tafb.xxx/guns/pictures/gunsalltogethergood/large/PICT1136.JPG
[4:41] <aikiraichu> that P90 is SBRed though
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, they don't care about rifle barrel lenghts, as long as the entire gun is 26" long or longer.
[4:41] <TAFB_ssd> PS90 with short barrel = 26.34" :)
[4:42] <aikiraichu> dat 22 with a krinkov comp
[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, ruger 10/22 with "Krinker Plinker" kit.
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[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.xxx/guns/pictures/2ndkrinkerwithscope/large/2ndkrinkerscope3large.jpg
[4:42] <aikiraichu> what about full autos and high cap mags?
[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.xxx/guns/pictures/2ndkrinkerwithscope/large/2ndkrinkerscope2large.jpg
[4:42] <TAFB_ssd> no full auto's allowed at all
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[4:43] <aikiraichu> DANGIT
[4:43] <TAFB_ssd> all magazines for semi auto non-rimfire guns have to be limited to 5 rounds
[4:43] <aikiraichu> that sucks
[4:43] <TAFB_ssd> so that 100 round double drum? holds 5, the 50 rounds PS90 mags? hold 5 :(
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[4:43] <shapr> Anyone else using Haskell on their Raspberry Pi?
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[4:44] <aikiraichu> if i had the money, i would be a class 2 manufacturer, and buy a crap ton of full autos
[4:44] <aikiraichu> then america would be perfect
[4:44] <aikiraichu> but gun control is getting stricter
[4:44] <aikiraichu> D:
[4:45] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, I'm told they'll let me in sometime in the next 6 to 16 years :)
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[4:45] <aikiraichu> by then ill have the money
[4:45] <Torikun> lol
[4:45] <aikiraichu> and graduate collage and have a well paying job
[4:46] <Torikun> it?
[4:46] <aikiraichu> what?
[4:46] <Torikun> it job?
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[4:46] <aikiraichu> IT job?
[4:46] <Torikun> yup
[4:46] <aikiraichu> for the love of god i hope not
[4:46] <aikiraichu> maybe, if i have to
[4:46] <Torikun> lol
[4:47] <Torikun> I like working with Unix all day
[4:47] <aikiraichu> maybe like buisness or something
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[4:48] <Torikun> cool
[4:48] <aikiraichu> i really dont know yet
[4:49] <aikiraichu> maybe ill be an engi
[4:49] <aikiraichu> but MIT has no football scholarship, and i really do not want to pay 60 grand a semester
[4:49] <Torikun> engineer is overused like hacker
[4:50] <TAFB_ssd> lol
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[4:50] <shapr> I want to be a maker
[4:50] <Torikun> I'm called an engineer but I'm not
[4:50] <Torikun> I make nothing
[4:51] <Torikun> tech support is not engineering
[4:51] <dr_willis> i can run machine shop tools. ;;)
[4:51] <Torikun> lol
[4:51] <shapr> I had a really nifty tech support job once at Digium.com
[4:51] <Torikun> sweet
[4:51] <dr_willis> i can make things.. ;)
[4:51] <aikiraichu> ill make those NV ski goggle type things and make a shitload of money maybe
[4:52] <dr_willis> i make 'docks' for my phone and tablets out of solid white nylon.. ;)
[4:52] <aikiraichu> now if i could bribe sony
[4:52] <dr_willis> and tracyor parts
[4:52] <dr_willis> tractor
[4:52] <Torikun> I did make mephistobackup.googlecode.com
[4:52] <TAFB_ssd> dr_willis: any make any canons or stuff that explodes? :)
[4:52] <Torikun> lol
[4:53] <shapr> Huh, my finger makes an excellent heatsink for my Pi's CPU
[4:53] <Torikun> hahahahaha
[4:53] <dr_willis> theeeey frown on that at work. ;)
[4:53] <TAFB_ssd> shapr: it can also make a great transmit antenna when set up as fm transmitter :)
[4:54] <dr_willis> madde someee compression type fire starterss for campiing
[4:54] <TAFB_ssd> dr_willis: no doubt :) lol
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[4:55] <dr_willis> making little docking 'blocks' to hold phones and tables has been my time waster lately
[4:55] <TAFB_ssd> dr_willis: I had a machine shop make up the "grenades" for my grenade launcher, and the machinist asked me to bring in the gun/launcher to get measured up (he didn't trust my autocad drawings of it)....
[4:55] <dr_willis> 20 min with a mill and it looks nice
[4:56] <TAFB_ssd> dr_willis: I had to get special permission from the owner, and when I came back to pick them up, he launched a few golf balls out of it. He and the machinist got their firearms license after that, and got the permit to do modifications and repairs to firearms :) woot.
[4:56] <shapr> So what actually makes the OK light on the Pi flicker?
[4:56] <shapr> Is it related to CPU activity somehow?
[4:56] <TAFB_ssd> shapr: You probably mean the ACT light, when it's reading/writing to the SD card.
[4:56] <Torikun> http://www.zdnet.com/2013-the-year-of-the-ubuntu-linux-tablet-and-smartphone-7000009254/
[4:57] <TAFB_ssd> also blinks when it's fully shut down so you know you can power it down.
[4:57] <axion> it flickers when attempting to read the sd
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[4:57] <axion> hence why it flickers before the arm is powered on if an sd card is not inserted to read its configuration from
[4:57] <shapr> Hm, the silkscreen on mine has LEDs for OK, PWR, FDX, LNK, and 10M
[4:57] <TAFB_ssd> lol, right on the board? PIC!
[4:58] <Torikun> I want a more powerful pi that can run KVM
[4:58] <TAFB_ssd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsMPBcVCw10
[4:58] <TAFB_ssd> KVM?
[4:58] <shapr> Is there a legend for the various values of "Revision" in /proc/cpuinfo?
[4:58] <Torikun> red hats virtualbox
[4:59] <Torikun> thing
[4:59] <shapr> Mine says it's Revision : 0002
[4:59] <TAFB_ssd> shapr: the "Revision" is your warranty void/good status ;)
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[4:59] <shapr> eh?
[5:00] <Torikun> http://rushersdomain.blogspot.com/2013/01/removing-logging-to-increase-apache-on.html
[5:00] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: got a link? my google is being dumb, still hung over from party last night (google, not me).
[5:00] <Torikun> every pi user should read
[5:00] <aikiraichu> 0.0
[5:00] <Torikun> lol ?
[5:00] <aikiraichu> i can run quake 3 on a PI
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[5:01] <aikiraichu> HOW
[5:01] <TAFB_ssd> aikiraichu: gotta compile it :) works sweet. google and the link should come up. it's easy!
[5:02] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: great blog post. I don't think you missed a few steps...
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[5:03] <Torikun> I got everything lol
[5:03] <TAFB_ssd> did ya? lol. 1 sec.
[5:03] <aikiraichu> i would have to use raspbain
[5:03] <TAFB_ssd> missed: systemctl disable syslog-ng.service
[5:03] <Torikun> dam ty
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[5:03] <TAFB_ssd> when you run that disable command, I believe it RM's both of those .service files, so those aren't commands you need to run :)
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[5:04] <TAFB_ssd> looks great other than that. You should mention that it also frees up ram and CPU too (especially journald, syslog not so much).
[5:05] <Torikun> thanks. updated it
[5:05] <TAFB_ssd> checking....
[5:06] <TAFB_ssd> got a double space "disable syslog-ng"
[5:06] <Torikun> try now
[5:07] <TAFB_ssd> looks good, I think you can remove those two RM lines right? it did that for ya when you did "systemctl disable syslog-ng.service" right?
[5:07] <Torikun> yup
[5:08] <Torikun> disable should RM them
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[5:08] <TAFB_ssd> i would remove them, otherwise people will be "hey, I ran the RM but it said it couldn't find the .service files!" hehe
[5:08] <Torikun> updated
[5:08] <TAFB_ssd> that looks better.
[5:08] <Torikun> ty
[5:09] <TAFB_ssd> don't forget to mention that journald eats your ram and uses lots of CPU (1.4%!) too, the main reason I removed it :)
[5:09] <Torikun> k
[5:09] <Torikun> precocious io on SD lol
[5:10] <TAFB_ssd> I know, and think of the write cycles too! probably improved the life of the SD card by 10 times!
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[5:10] <Torikun> I love having my pi as a time machine server!
[5:10] <TAFB_ssd> you are nuts ;) lol
[5:11] <Torikun> not bad for hourly updates
[5:11] <Torikun> usually 50mb
[5:12] <TAFB_ssd> also, you might not want to mention Apache specifically, as it'll improve the performance of any webserver application, not to mention the entire Pi in general. I would title it "Removing logging to increase performance on the Raspberry Pi".
[5:13] <TAFB_ssd> you can talk about Apache in your first paragraph
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[5:13] <TAFB_ssd> also mention the limited write cycles on the SD card, and this will stop a lot of unnecessary writes.
[5:13] <Torikun> ok
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[5:15] <aikiraichu> TAFB, why did you try and import a bunch of guns?
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[5:16] <TAFB_ssd> aikiraichu: I had been bringing them in for years, for myself, for friends, etc. I had a collector order 15 at once, set off some red flags and they busted me for not being a registered firearm importer (you can import for personal use, but not commercial use), etc.
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[5:16] <aikiraichu> ah
[5:16] <Torikun> OK updated
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[5:17] <TAFB_ssd> the thing that sucked was I called everyone, made sure I could do 15 guns at once, etc. Everyone said, as long as it's under $250,000, no problems claiming as personal. So I went ahead and did it.
[5:18] <TAFB_ssd> but there was another law, "If you accept money for a gun, that you do not yet own, that makes it a commercial firearm transaction and you must have a business license" :(
[5:18] <aikiraichu> why not get an importer licence?
[5:18] <Torikun> http://rushersdomain.blogspot.com/2013/01/removing-logging-to-increase-io.html
[5:18] <TAFB_ssd> I would use "increase I/O performance"
[5:19] <TAFB_ssd> aikiraichu: you need a physical store, place of business, apply for permits, takes years, big monthly fee's, etc. not attractive for a small guy like me.
[5:19] <aikiraichu> i want to make a country
[5:19] <aikiraichu> and invite gun owners to it
[5:19] <aikiraichu> no gun bans
[5:19] <Torikun> k
[5:20] <aikiraichu> we can provide training
[5:20] <aikiraichu> everyone is in this countrys millitary
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[5:20] <aikiraichu> we get some weapons from russia
[5:21] <aikiraichu> tanks and crap
[5:21] <aikiraichu> what could we name the country?
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[5:22] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: "significantly less writes on the SD card, extending its life." or something along those lines.
[5:23] <Torikun> k
[5:24] <TAFB_ssd> some/most people don't know that SD cards have a limited lifetime/write cycles, so it's good to explain why less writes are important.
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[5:25] <Torikun> ok
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[5:26] <aikiraichu> TAFB, how well dose the F2000 shoot?
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[5:27] <Torikun> updated
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[5:30] <TAFB_ssd> FS2000, absolutely flawless. amazing firearm.
[5:30] * shapr checks the channel title
[5:30] <Torikun> .lol
[5:30] <shapr> Perhaps #raspberrypi-offtopic?
[5:31] <TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.xxx/guns/videos/9thEESA/mov011.jpg
[5:31] <TAFB_ssd> shapr: they allow off-topic for a while, as long as it's not getting in the way of actual support :)
[5:31] <shapr> Fair enough
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[5:31] <shapr> I just learned sqlite3 so I could use it on my Pi
[5:32] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: I wouldn't say they have a limited number of reads, I don't think that's the case. They only have a limited number of writes :)
[5:32] <Torikun> lol ok
[5:32] <TAFB_ssd> :)
[5:32] <shapr> Does anyone have a .screenrc they would recommend?
[5:33] <Torikun> done
[5:33] <TAFB_ssd> shapr: is that the login logo??
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[5:33] <Torikun> I am interested
[5:33] <shapr> TAFB_ssd: um, what?
[5:33] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: looks great, nice work.
[5:33] <shapr> No, I want to use screen so I can ssh into my Pi and run long compiles and logout and leave those compiles running.
[5:33] <Torikun> ty
[5:34] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: have you tried running it without a swap file, or adjusting the "swappiness"?
[5:34] <Torikun> with no swapfile I have issues
[5:34] <Torikun> with some daemons
[5:34] <shapr> screen lets you have multiple command shells in the same single screen
[5:34] <Torikun> needing mem
[5:34] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: oh, that sucks.
[5:35] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: did you tweak your fstab mount options and enable journal cache writeback? Cuts down on the I/O huge!!
[5:35] <aikiraichu> why is tafb.xx a motorcycle website?
[5:35] <Torikun> mk it yet
[5:35] <Torikun> not
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[5:35] <TAFB_ssd> aikiraichu: cause that's what I do, re-write the computers in bikes.
[5:36] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: check out my fstab on http://tafb.yi.org
[5:36] <Torikun> will modify tomorrow lol
[5:36] <TAFB_ssd> designed for all out I/O performance, should work sweet on your SD card. The command to run for enabling journal caching is there too.
[5:36] <TAFB_ssd> sounds good :) don't mess up your fstab of you'll be reimaging again
[5:36] <Torikun> yup lol
[5:37] <Torikun> I'm scared to upgrade packages noe
[5:37] <TAFB_ssd> remeber, where mine says "/dev/sda1" your would say "/dev/mmcfoh78hf8" or whatever it is on the Pi ;)
[5:37] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: yeah, no idea why that happened. I heard they really test the new kernel updates lots before they push them!
[5:37] <shapr> TAFB_ssd: I don't see the writeback mentioned there
[5:37] <Torikun> I will try now lol
[5:38] <TAFB_ssd> shapr: it's there
[5:38] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: did you let them know in #archlinux-arm about your kernel update issues?
[5:38] <Torikun> no I wanna try twice first
[5:38] <Torikun> and record changes
[5:39] <TAFB_ssd> it would be good, if you had a spare SD card, to install arch then try and run the update, without any extra programs installed, see how it goes.
[5:39] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: if you want to pastie (not pastebin) your /etc/fstab I can tweak it and then you can just paste it back :)
[5:39] <Torikun> ok
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[5:41] <Torikun> TAFB_ssd: http://pastie.org/5609209
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[5:41] <TAFB_ssd> k. tweaking...
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[5:43] <shapr> I like byobu better than screen!
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[5:45] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: can you run "cat /proc/mounts" and pastie that plz.
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[5:48] <Torikun> http://pastie.org/5609221
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[5:48] <Torikun> TAFB_ssd: there
[5:48] <TAFB_ssd> k. last one "fdisk -l"
[5:49] <TAFB_ssd> that's a -L but lower case :)
[5:49] <Torikun> http://pastie.org/5609222
[5:50] <TAFB_ssd> perfect, tweaking, one sec.
[5:51] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: new fstab: http://pastie.org/pastes/5609224/text
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[5:51] <Torikun> ty
[5:51] <Torikun> updates almost done
[5:52] <TAFB_ssd> k. let me know once that's all installed and rebooted, and I'll give ya the next command to run :)
[5:54] <Torikun> ok updates done
[5:54] <Torikun> crosses finger
[5:54] <Torikun> for reboot
[5:54] <TAFB_ssd> lol
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[5:55] <Torikun> ok reboot finally finished
[5:56] <Torikun> host not up yet....
[5:56] <TAFB_ssd> lol...
[5:56] <TAFB_ssd> we wait...
[5:56] <TAFB_ssd> ....
[5:56] <Torikun> scared!
[5:56] <TAFB_ssd> you have a screen connected to it?
[5:56] <Torikun> no
[5:56] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[5:56] <TAFB_ssd> great :)
[5:56] <Torikun> it was stuck on the bootsplash screen last time
[5:56] <TAFB_ssd> with the kernel upgrade? :(
[5:57] <Torikun> and raspberry pi firmware
[5:57] <TAFB_ssd> ahhh
[5:57] <Torikun> packages
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/board/10902272
[5:57] <SpeedEvil> not strictly on topic
[5:57] <TAFB_ssd> should be booted now... !?
[5:57] <TAFB_ssd> SpeedEvil: We've been WAY off topic today :)
[5:58] <Torikun> restarted it again
[5:58] <Hodapp> w00t, I finally cleaned up the wiring on my Raspberry Pi project and put the board in a case
[5:58] <shapr> Are there some cases that come with space for heatsinks?
[5:58] <TAFB_ssd> Hodapp: nice. Pi's are so ugly with a mess of wires in them.
[5:59] <TAFB_ssd> shapr: most cases will allow heatsinks, not the rainbow or those "stacking" cases though.
[5:59] <Torikun> wow pi no come up
[5:59] <shapr> I'd sort of like to have a case that touches the chips directly so it can be a heatsink itself.
[5:59] <TAFB_ssd> my Pi came with little heatsinks
[5:59] <Hodapp> TAFB_ssd: I had a mess of wires for sure. I got some perfboard, a connector, a cable for the GPIO, and I soldered a header on there which routes to some other headers; one for TTL serial, the other for SPI
[5:59] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: is it ext4?
[5:59] <Torikun> yup
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[6:00] <TAFB_ssd> can you take SD card and put it in linux computer for us to take a looka at something?
[6:00] <Torikun> plugged it to tv
[6:00] <Torikun> only mac
[6:00] <Torikun> lol
[6:00] <TAFB_ssd> can mac read the linux filesystem?
[6:00] <Xark> TAFB_ssd: Not directly AFAIK.
[6:00] <Torikun> I just ee the rainbow color logo
[6:00] <Torikun> let me see if it is still free
[6:01] <TAFB_ssd> You might need bootable Linux CD, I use Knoppix but lots of people use Ubuntu Live on USB stick, etc.
[6:02] <Torikun> Message: Unknown Error (The filesystem may need repair. Please use Disk Utility to check the filesystem.) ]\
[6:02] <TAFB_ssd> ahhh. we probably need to specify ext4 in fstab file :(
[6:02] <Torikun> says it is ext3
[6:02] <Torikun> Filesystem: Linux Ext3 (Journaled)
[6:02] <Torikun> I can access the msdos /boot partition on it
[6:03] <TAFB_ssd> I think it's defaulting to ext3 because we didn't specify it was ext4
[6:03] <TAFB_ssd> the fstab isn't in /boot :(
[6:03] <Torikun> the mac says that is the FS on it
[6:03] <Torikun> same problem after last upgarde
[6:03] <TAFB_ssd> here's the new fstab with the ext4: http://pastie.org/pastes/5609244/text
[6:03] <Torikun> I doubt it is fstab
[6:03] <TAFB_ssd> possibly, if you boot knoppix you can run a fix on the SD card, and we can also edit fstab,.
[6:03] <TAFB_ssd> you really need a linux bootable CD to fix Pi problems.
[6:04] <Torikun> ah the superblock got corrupted
[6:04] <Torikun> after the update
[6:04] <Torikun> filesystem has upsupported features
[6:04] <Torikun> maybe it was ext4 lol
[6:05] <TAFB_ssd> did you update the kernel again?
[6:05] <Torikun> yeah
[6:05] <Torikun> checking filesystem now
[6:05] <TAFB_ssd> i had same problem after my kernel update, switched to ext4 from ext3 = not boot.
[6:05] <TAFB_ssd> same error "unsupported features".
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[6:06] <Torikun> what could cause that
[6:06] <TAFB_ssd> I had to move the kernal onto seperate ext3 partition, then it worked fine.
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[6:06] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: i have no idea. WarheadsSE from #archlinux-arm remotely connected into my system and fixed it all up for me :(
[6:06] <Torikun> did you see rainbow screen when PI starts?
[6:07] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: I was using my seagate box, no display, fired up "netconsole" (works like a screen) and I could see the errors when it wasn't booting.
[6:07] <Torikun> hmmm
[6:07] <Torikun> what should I do now...reflash?
[6:07] <Torikun> not sure at this point if it was fstab or kernel
[6:08] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: I'm not sure. Right now I think we should fix fstab so it knows it's ext4 :)
[6:08] <TAFB_ssd> need bootable linux CD or USB :)
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[6:09] <Torikun> i could do it on my work laptop
[6:09] <TAFB_ssd> runs linux!? lol
[6:09] <Torikun> gotta get a live cd
[6:09] <Torikun> WAIT WAIT
[6:09] <Torikun> TAFB_ssd: I never changed the fstab yet lol
[6:10] <TAFB_ssd> !??! how is that possible?
[6:10] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[6:10] <Torikun> so that is not the issue
[6:10] <Torikun> lol
[6:10] <TAFB_ssd> good news, I guess.
[6:10] <TAFB_ssd> I'm sure your problem is ext4
[6:10] <TAFB_ssd> new arch kernel has big issue booting from ext4
[6:11] <Torikun> should I change to ext3?
[6:11] <Torikun> then upgrade?
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[6:12] <TAFB_ssd> that's what I had to do, go ext3, run all the updates, worked fine. Then WarheadsSE moved my kernel onto a separate ext3 partition (used gparted for that), then converted "rootfs" to ext4, worked flawless.
[6:12] <Torikun> wtf
[6:12] <Torikun> That is horrible
[6:12] <TAFB_ssd> was a ton of work
[6:12] <TAFB_ssd> I know :(
[6:12] <Torikun> Shoudl I reflash?
[6:12] <Torikun> That is not how a kernel update is supposed to be. Are they fixing it?
[6:12] <TAFB_ssd> look at my status: http://tafb.yi.org/
[6:13] <TAFB_ssd> under drive usage, see /dev/sda2? that's where my kernel is.
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[6:13] <Torikun> wow
[6:13] <Torikun> should I reflash at this point then try it?
[6:13] <TAFB_ssd> when you reflash, will it be ext3 or 4?
[6:13] <Torikun> or .... change /etc/fstab from live cd
[6:13] <Torikun> let me check my daughters PI
[6:13] <TAFB_ssd> k.
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[6:14] <TAFB_ssd> problem was the image I was using was ext4! so we had to make EXT3 partition with gparted, format it, then boot up live CD and rsync the files over (couldn't use dd), was a huge pain.
[6:14] <Torikun> dam!
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[6:15] <Torikun> they need to remove that update TAFB_ssd
[6:15] <Torikun> Why would they keep it there
[6:15] <TAFB_ssd> I e-mailed you your blog post, so you don't lose it if you have to re-image.
[6:15] <Torikun> ty
[6:16] <Torikun> email is not up
[6:16] <Torikun> pi is down
[6:16] <TAFB_ssd> oh damn
[6:16] <Torikun> lol
[6:16] <TAFB_ssd> well, I have it saved here, for if you need it ;)
[6:16] <Torikun> lol ty
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[6:16] <Torikun> here : /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[6:16] <Torikun> so it is ext4
[6:16] <Torikun> lol
[6:16] <Torikun> Time to reflash
[6:17] <TAFB_ssd> oh damn.
[6:17] <TAFB_ssd> but reflash will still be ext4 right!
[6:17] <Torikun> Reflashing has started. Two hours remain
[6:17] <TAFB_ssd> won't solve your problem with the update.
[6:17] <Torikun> I will change fstab to ext3 before update
[6:17] <Torikun> and reboot
[6:17] <Torikun> then update
[6:17] <TAFB_ssd> won't work, can't go from ext4 to 3, only ext3 to 4!
[6:17] <Torikun> so I should wait a month and update again?
[6:18] <TAFB_ssd> maybe a good plan ;)
[6:18] <Torikun> hahahahaha
[6:18] <Torikun> madness!
[6:18] <TAFB_ssd> and make fresh image of SD card before you update.
[6:18] <Torikun> I made a fresh one today
[6:18] <Torikun> after I got it up and running
[6:18] <Torikun> thank god
[6:18] <Torikun> creating the image takes about 30 min, writing takes over an hour
[6:19] <TAFB_ssd> Ok, in the mean time, after image is done, fire up gparted and shrink partition by 20mb, make a new 20mb ext3 partition at the END of the drive, then move your kernel there. never ever any issues after that :)
[6:19] <Torikun> just the kernel.img ?
[6:19] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: yeah, SD is much faster at read than write :) that's why I love SSD, fast at both.
[6:19] <Torikun> do you have to update anything
[6:20] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: I'm not 100% sure what has to be changed, my box uses uInitrd and uImage which are now stored on /boot 20mb ext3 partition
[6:20] <Torikun> AH
[6:21] <TAFB_ssd> what do you have in /boot?
[6:21] <Torikun> can not look at it now lol
[6:21] <Torikun> reflashing
[6:22] <Torikun> What is uImage used for?
[6:22] <Torikun> never heard of it
[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: got an error "this gmail user doesn't exist" on e-mail.
[6:22] <TAFB_ssd> uImage is my kernel, compressed, in a file. It expands the kernel to a ram drive on boot, and boots it from there.
[6:22] <Torikun> how is it different from ones created by initramfs or mkinitcpio
[6:23] <TAFB_ssd> no clue, I'm linux noob, remember? :)
[6:23] <Torikun> lol
[6:25] <Torikun> sh-3.2# dd if=archlinux-server.img of=/dev/disk1
[6:25] <Torikun> lol
[6:25] <TAFB_ssd> shouldn't you specify block size? it uses 4k by default = super slow
[6:25] <Torikun> lol ext4 in bold
[6:25] <Torikun> na
[6:25] <TAFB_ssd> LOL :)
[6:26] <Torikun> does the image have to be made specifying the blocksize for it to work
[6:26] <Torikun> maybe too late
[6:26] <TAFB_ssd> nope, just tells DD what block size to use when writing (I use 512k, makes it go super fast)
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> doesn't change actual block size of the drive/partition
[6:27] <Torikun> dd if=archlinux-server.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=512k
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> just how many block chunks DD writes at a time.
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> Yep, I think it's bs=512K but would probably work.
[6:27] <Torikun> time dd if=archlinux-server.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=512k
[6:27] <Torikun> how much time do you think it will save
[6:27] <Torikun> 8GB SD
[6:27] <TAFB_ssd> probably cut it in half
[6:28] <Torikun> wow
[6:28] <Torikun> good to know ty
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> worth aborting it and trying, so at least you'll know
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> :)
[6:28] <Torikun> already did lol
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> nice, does it give you any status? you know how to poll it right?
[6:28] <dr_willis> i tend to use bs=1M ;)
[6:28] <Torikun> Which BS is faster?
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> 1M? wow :)
[6:28] <Torikun> lol
[6:28] <Torikun> I want the fastest BS lol
[6:28] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[6:28] <dr_willis> ives seen benchmarks where more is berrer up to like 2mb.
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[6:29] <dr_willis> but it depends on the hardwaee
[6:29] <Torikun> Luckily, no configuring needs to be done after I reflash. Flash and sleep lol
[6:29] <dr_willis> and i read somewhere some distros/dd has a higher default bs these days
[6:30] <Torikun> Input data is read and written in
[6:30] <Torikun> 512-byte blocks.
[6:30] <Torikun> Dam
[6:30] <Torikun> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/Manpages/man1/dd.1.html
[6:30] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: just thank god that you're only imaging 8gigs! I gotta image 120gb when I do mine :(
[6:30] <Torikun> lol
[6:31] <Torikun> what do you think the default is based on that link
[6:31] <TAFB_ssd> at least SSD is fast, only 20 mins to read or write image :)
[6:31] <dr_willis> bs=1GB ;)
[6:32] <Torikun> lol
[6:32] <TAFB_ssd> that wouldn't work, need to fit into ram :) lol
[6:32] <dr_willis> i bet ram would be a limit
[6:32] <dr_willis> swap partition!
[6:32] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, that'd be fast ;)
[6:32] <dr_willis> on a nfs share!
[6:32] <Torikun> lol
[6:32] <Torikun> how is that
[6:32] <dr_willis> stored on dropbox
[6:32] <Torikun> hahahahahaah
[6:33] <dr_willis> accessed via TOR
[6:33] <Torikun> hahaahah
[6:33] <dr_willis> encrypted....
[6:33] <dr_willis> with rot13
[6:33] <Torikun> lol
[6:33] <Torikun> hosted on windows server 2008
[6:34] <Torikun> in the cloud
[6:34] <Torikun> on a windows 3.1 box
[6:34] <Torikun> in 1984
[6:34] <Torikun> boom
[6:36] <Torikun> TAFB_ssd: when I make a new dd image, I should specify 512k also?
[6:36] <TAFB_ssd> yep, would read it much faster I'm sure.
[6:37] <TAFB_ssd> you going to try and move your kernel onto ext3 separate partition?
[6:37] <Tachyon`> just set BS to 131072, that should be a balance between speed and not losing the end and I think it's also exactly one flash sector
[6:37] <TAFB_ssd> lol
[6:37] <Tachyon`> of course that assumes they'll be aligned which they likely won't be but still
[6:38] <Torikun> i am reflashing my original image now
[6:38] <Torikun> and will wait for a new kernel
[6:38] <TAFB_ssd> Tachyon`: they won't be aligned because of wear leveling?
[6:38] <Torikun> all this dd'ing will ruin a geek's SD
[6:39] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: naa, using the swap file on SD is 100x worse than just DD'ing. DD is just one extra write ;)
[6:39] <Torikun> ah
[6:39] <Tachyon`> wear leveling is in sectors anyway
[6:40] <Tachyon`> I'm just not sure where other data is stored that'd normally be outside the usaul 512 byte sectors, CRCs etc., might throw it off if those are included
[6:40] <Tachyon`> IE: 128K of data may take slightly more than 128K
[6:40] <TAFB_ssd> ahhh, freaky.
[6:40] <SpeedEvil> wear leveling occurs over regions of blocks 1024 blocks has been used in the past
[6:40] <TAFB_ssd> SpeedEvil: yeah, I was reading that on the info that came with my SSD, wasn't sure if it was the same for SD.
[6:41] <Tachyon`> however it appears logically, it cannot be a unit less than one flash sector (usually 128K)
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[6:41] <TAFB_ssd> I think on my SSD it said the wear leveling blocks were 64k, gimme a sec I'll see if I can find it.
[6:42] <Tachyon`> aye, I said /usually/ 128K
[6:42] <Tachyon`> 64K is also a possibility, if that's what size your flash sectors are, lol
[6:42] <Tachyon`> my point is you can't wear level half a sector
[6:45] <TAFB_ssd> wow, neat information abour raid and wear levelling, especially raid 0/stripe :)
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[6:48] <Torikun> if I power the pi via laptop, that means I will have a UPS like setup. However, If I keep the PI plugged in to the wall, it will turn on when power comes back. Which one is better?
[6:48] <Torikun> USB or power connectivity.
[6:49] <Torikun> Redundancy or Stability
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> the Pi will boot automatically when power is restored, assuming the file system survived the outage.
[6:49] <Torikun> Yeah
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> i use a flashlight as the battery backup to my Pi
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> works sweet.
[6:49] <TAFB_ssd> switches from AC to battery back to AC without a hiccup.
[6:50] <Torikun> If the laptop dies, it has to be pressed on
[6:50] <Torikun> for hte PI to come back
[6:50] <TAFB_ssd> ahhh, no setting in bios "return to last power state on outage"?
[6:50] <dr_willis> laptop usb ports may not give out enough power.
[6:50] <Torikun> na
[6:50] <Torikun> Lenovo thinkpad
[6:50] <Torikun> T400
[6:51] <pksato> q/quit
[6:51] <Torikun> Which would you guys do in that situation
[6:51] <dr_willis> pi may want/need more then the usb standard
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[6:51] <Torikun> I am using a cheap low charger on itn ow dr_willis
[6:51] <Torikun> so a cable should suffice
[6:51] <Torikun> made for a cheap cell phone
[6:52] <dr_willis> or it could get flakey at any time
[6:52] <dr_willis> pi forums and faq is full of people with power issues
[6:52] <Torikun> TAFB_ssd: Arch bugs like the one we had make me really want CentOS lol
[6:52] <Torikun> yeah
[6:52] <TAFB_ssd> rofl
[6:52] <TAFB_ssd> to them make Cent for the Pi?
[6:52] <Torikun> lol
[6:52] <Torikun> Enterprise quality!
[6:53] <Torikun> Arch is kinda unstable lol
[6:54] <Torikun> Maybe raspian is the more stable choice
[6:54] <Torikun> but I can not use my wireless keybard to install it
[6:54] <Torikun> Arch is my only option lol
[6:55] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: you could use berryboot to install raspian and used VNC to control berryboot remotely :)
[6:55] <Torikun> oh snap
[6:55] <Torikun> that is like having a server console
[6:55] <Torikun> awesome
[6:56] <Torikun> (errr kinda)
[6:57] <dr_willis> i need to test berryboot someday
[6:57] <Torikun> I did
[6:57] <Torikun> it did not have arch
[6:57] <Torikun> lol
[6:57] <Torikun> So I got rid of it
[6:58] <Torikun> Was cool though
[6:58] <TAFB_ssd> Torikun: you can add your own distro to the berryboot menu :)
[6:58] <Torikun> I did not know what values to put
[6:58] <TAFB_ssd> there's a wiki article with like 40 distros and the exact commands to put in berry boot :)
[6:58] <Torikun> Nice
[6:59] <Torikun> have two arch installs
[6:59] <Torikun> in case an update screws up lol
[7:00] <Torikun> I can not upgrade my daughters PI because upgrading it causes omx player to not work TAFB_ssd lol
[7:00] <Torikun> see the hell I go through ? lol
[7:00] <Torikun> I think it was also another kenel one lol
[7:02] <TAFB_ssd> nice
[7:02] <TAFB_ssd> yeah, dual boot would be sweet, one test, one production
[7:03] <Torikun> can you dd a live system to say a SMB share>
[7:03] <Torikun> it be nice to do a live DD to avoid downtime
[7:04] <Torikun> dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/mnt/samba/image.img bs=512k
[7:06] <clear`> hmm
[7:06] <clear`> which filesystem is the best for storage?
[7:06] <clear`> ext3?
[7:06] <Torikun> LVM with ext4
[7:07] <TAFB_ssd> ext4 is best
[7:07] <clear`> rasbian
[7:07] <Torikun> ext4 has faster recovery times
[7:07] <clear`> windows can still read ext4?
[7:07] <Torikun> not by default
[7:07] <clear`> i need something that windows and linux can both see
[7:07] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: if you're sharing from your Pi, the file format doesn't matter, windows can read it over network perfect
[7:08] <clear`> well thats what i was about to say, it will be connected to the pi, i will be dumping movies to it via ftp
[7:08] <Torikun> oh just use samba
[7:08] <Torikun> filesystem does not matter
[7:08] <atouk> faster than ftp,too
[7:08] <Torikun> samba is a shared dir sever for any OS
[7:09] <Torikun> FTP does not matter on filesystem either
[7:09] <clear`> i will be setting that up also
[7:09] <Torikun> nobody uses FTP now days lol
[7:09] <clear`> <
[7:09] <clear`> i do
[7:09] <Torikun> scp !
[7:09] <Torikun> lol
[7:09] <clear`> lol
[7:09] <clear`> but thats just because i have a ton of cpanel accounts, websites i have to upload files to
[7:10] * Torikun uses FTP at work =(
[7:11] <Torikun> do you use mx records for ftp.hostname.com clear`
[7:11] <Torikun> or do you just ftp to the hostname
[7:11] <clear`> ftp.domain.com
[7:11] <clear`> for each domain
[7:11] <TAFB_ssd> mx is just for mail
[7:11] <Torikun> A record ?
[7:11] <clear`> mx = mail exchange
[7:12] <clear`> each site has its own records, yes
[7:12] <Torikun> what would the A record be for the same server running FTP
[7:12] <clear`> but i can access everything from just 1 ip
[7:12] <Torikun> oh
[7:12] <clear`> i can do ftp.mymaindomain.com to access any of the accounts
[7:12] <clear`> just need the account username and email
[7:12] <Torikun> oh
[7:13] <clear`> whmcp ftw!
[7:13] <clear`> it controls everything
[7:13] <Torikun> so it would be kinda pointless to have a A record for FTP if the domain is on the same host?
[7:15] <Torikun> I guess the correct term is C name ?
[7:15] <Torikun> CNAME
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[7:19] <Torikun> TAFB_ssd: in Godaddy, what of I set the mx record to @ instead of dyndns?
[7:19] <TAFB_ssd> pardon?
[7:20] <Torikun>
[7:20] <Torikun> 0
[7:20] <Torikun> @
[7:20] <Torikun> rusher81572.dyndns.org
[7:20] <Torikun> 1/2 Hour
[7:20] <Torikun> looks like using @ defaults to ip in A record
[7:20] <TAFB_ssd> not sure, don't know much about MX, just what works ;)
[7:20] <Torikun> would i not need to use dyndns in my mail settings>?'
[7:21] <clear`> Torikun: i rarely touch any of those settings, i let whmcp deal with all that
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[7:21] <Torikun> oh
[7:21] <clear`> are you trying to make your pi into a full webserver?
[7:21] <Torikun> yup
[7:21] <TAFB_ssd> clear`: it already is :) he's got web and e-mail server running on it
[7:21] <clear`> oh cool
[7:21] <Torikun> ok changed mx
[7:22] <clear`> i would lease an ip address from a server, have everything go through that
[7:22] <clear`> you can get an ip for a few bucks
[7:22] <Torikun> my home IP never changes
[7:22] <clear`> and it will be dedicated, no worry if your home ip changes
[7:24] <TAFB_ssd> my isp doesn't sell static ip for residential customers :( I use dnsexit (free), works great.
[7:25] <clear`> yea most isp's wont sell an ip period
[7:25] <TAFB_ssd> http://toysareforboys.com is on it, and http://hawthornevalleygolf.com too, all hosted on my little arm :)
[7:25] <clear`> my vps gives me 4, i can buy 5 extra for $5
[7:25] <TAFB_ssd> if I was on business plan, it'd only be $5 for one ip, or every package but the basic one comes with 5 :(
[7:25] <TAFB_ssd> I'm just happy they don't block port 80/25 :)
[7:25] <piney> another advantage to what clear` is saying is that configuration would allow you to display a 'service unavailable' web page if your connection is ever down, and it allows caching of large / static files too.
[7:26] <clear`> how much is the business plan?
[7:26] <clear`> 404 not found!
[7:26] <piney> 503 service unavailable
[7:26] <TAFB_ssd> almost $200 more per month than I'm paying now for the same speed (I got crazy speed), but could probably bump it down.
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[7:27] <clear`> TAFB_ssd: thats too expensive lol
[7:27] <TAFB_ssd> for sure, will have to up my hosting rates if I'm gonna get better service :)
[7:27] <clear`> lol
[7:28] <clear`> i charge plenty for my hosting rate ;p
[7:28] <clear`> 1 client more than pays for my servers
[7:29] <piney> my clients offset my server addiction :)
[7:29] <TAFB_ssd> sweet. I was pricing out some 10gigabit switches for my house, not cheap :(
[7:30] <clear`> i dont have a server addiction =X
[7:30] <clear`> i only need 3 :P
[7:30] <clear`> wait
[7:30] <clear`> 4
[7:30] <clear`> no
[7:30] <clear`> make it 5
[7:30] <clear`> :( i feel like an addict now
[7:30] <piney> i keep on saying I have to have 2 in each data center for HA reasons
[7:31] <clear`> HA?
[7:31] <piney> high availability
[7:31] <clear`> ah
[7:31] <piney> 2 servers, 3 ip's one floating. no load balancers (yet)
[7:31] <clear`> i have one in DC and one in LA, DC is my main webserver, but if it goes down, everything is pointed to LA
[7:32] <clear`> LA is cloned of DC
[7:32] <piney> just change dns to switch over?
[7:32] <TAFB_ssd> alright, 1:30am here, should probably be gettin some sleeps. big day tomorrow, gotta pick up all my new years day sale purchases :)
[7:32] <clear`> not sure how the admins handle it
[7:32] <clear`> have fun TAFB_ssd
[7:33] <piney> so it's almost seamless then. that's nice
[7:33] <TAFB_ssd> will try :) gettin 2xSSD's on raid 0 card (with capacity for 4) :)
[7:33] <TAFB_ssd> should be fast
[7:33] <clear`> yea, pretty seamless
[7:33] <clear`> its only so i have very little downtime
[7:33] <clear`> if something screws up
[7:33] <piney> yea
[7:36] <clear`> i need to setup windows to share with the pi
[7:36] <clear`> but i am too lazy to get up ;\
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[7:37] <aikiraichu> tafb is now my favorite canadian
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[7:47] <cdan> good morning
[7:52] <clear`> morning
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[8:22] <xrosnight> good afternoon. everybody :D after a shower, happy back on Rspi.
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[8:55] <xrosnight> hey all are sleeping i guess :D
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[9:04] <xrosnight> :-/
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[9:11] <missinmee11> hello
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[9:15] <xrosnight> missinmee11: hi
[9:30] <Datalink> hey Hexxeh, any chance of getting a varient script of your updater that says "Kernel updates available" when updates are available for my Pi's kernel?
[9:30] <Datalink> er, boot firmware
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[9:56] <davzie> Anyone know if Sony 8gig Class 4 SD cards are compatable? I've seen them in the table of read / write test speeds but the one I've been using has just died.
[9:56] <davzie> Was running Raspbmc
[9:56] <Tachyon`> probably but they'll be pretty slow at class 4
[9:58] <Lobs> the RPI has issues with a lot of class 10 cards
[9:58] <davzie> Yeah I'm thinking, do I get a Class 10 or 6 instead.
[9:58] <Tachyon`> class 10 is usually fine really, the issues are generally caused by other things as I discovered
[9:59] <davzie> Well I was considering a Sandisk Extreme 8GB Class 10 then...
[10:00] <Lobs> Tachyon`: and what are these other issues?
[10:00] <Tachyon`> power most commonly
[10:01] <Lobs> i have seen so many complaints with class 10 cards,
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[10:01] <Tachyon`> yeah, from me too but having looked into it the cards are not the issue, at least not the 4 I tried
[10:01] <Tachyon`> I appreciate 4 is a rather small sample
[10:01] <Tachyon`> bu the problems i had went away when I removed the polyfuse
[10:01] <Lobs> so you had one that gave errors uppon boot, then changing to a more grunty psu fixed it?
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[10:02] <Tachyon`> I had four that would report strange errors, corrupt themselves etc.
[10:02] <pecorade> Hi.
[10:02] <Tachyon`> but removing the polyfuse so the pi got the full 2A fixed it
[10:02] <davzie> I see
[10:02] <davzie> My Pi has 5v 1000mah
[10:02] <davzie> I can't seem to find a 2A PSU for it
[10:03] <Lobs> i still have my doubts about that, and removing/bypassing the polyfuse isnt for most people
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[10:24] <Man_of_Wax> davzie: usually tablet chargers are 2A, look for those!
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[11:00] <herdingcat> hi, I use rpi kernel 3.6.x and Fedora 18 ARM rootfs: http://fpaste.org/P0RI/
[11:00] <herdingcat> can anyone tell me which part gose wrong?
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[11:10] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[11:11] <nid0> morning
[11:16] <neilr> 'ello
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[11:25] <VictorCL> :D
[11:26] <VictorCL> morning ^^
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[11:28] <dr_willis> mooo!
[11:32] <linuxstb> herdingcat: Is that ARM rootfs for the correct type of ARM? The Pi is ARM v6, preferably hard-float.
[11:33] <herdingcat> linuxstb, hi mate, do you know the proper one for Fedora rootfs?
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> does fedora actually support the Pi now?
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[11:34] <linuxstb> No, I have no idea. A google for Raspberry Pi Fedora would be the place to look.
[11:34] <herdingcat> gordonDrogon, no, but we can use rpi kernel + Fedora rootfs
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> I know the foundation were hoping for it to be "the one" when the Pi was released, but from what I gathered there were problems at the launch, so jumped ship to Debian...
[11:35] <VictorCL> u t hink this keyboard with touchpad would work with raspberri pi and rasbmc , http://www.amazon.co.uk/Perixx-PERIBOARD-515-Wired-Keyboard-Touchpad/dp/B006359JJE
[11:35] <VictorCL> ???
[11:35] * linuxstb is happy about that, being a Debian user
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> well, me too, having used Debian forever.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> VictorCL, who knows - if it looks like a standard usb keyboard & mouse, then 'probably' ..
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[11:37] <artag> gordonDrogon: wasn't that ubuntu ?
[11:37] <artag> (probs at launc)
[11:37] <artag> h
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> artag, Ubuntu? I've never used that.
[11:37] <artag> no, what rpi wanted to use
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> don't think so... pretty sure it was a red hat/derivative..
[11:41] <dr_willis> ubuntu arm dosent support the arm cpu in the pi. (yet?)
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[11:41] <Datalink> hm, I should think of a project for my Pi related to my new Android phone
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[11:45] <dr_willis> i found xbmc ported to my android phone yesterday ;)
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[11:45] <chithead> dr_willis: they probably won't ever, as they only care about armv7 and later
[11:46] <dr_willis> yep. rasbian works well for me
[11:46] <chithead> look at the time it took most distros to flip on hardfp for v6
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[11:51] <plugwash> It would be quite possible to run an unofficial rebuild of ubuntu just like we run an unofficial rebuild of debian
[11:52] <plugwash> the issue would be finding a person (or group of people) with the skills, motivation and money to do it
[11:52] <plugwash> and I question what the point would be, afaict most of the stuff ubuntu change relates to desktops that are too bloated for one to want to run them on the Pi
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> yea - possibly with full hardware (gpu) acelleration, something might work, but to what purpose..
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> I quite like xfce4...
[11:58] <VictorCL> if I connect an usb hub to raspberri pi , will it need more power to handle?? or with the phone micro-usb charget it's using .. will be fine???
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[11:59] <Dyskette> VictorCL: you'll want the hub to have its own powersupply, really
[11:59] <VictorCL> mm this one doesnt'
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> VictorCL, the Pi's really short on spare power. you might power the hub and a low-power peripheral, but ...
[12:01] <dr_willis> splurge on a good hub. ;-)
[12:02] <dr_willis> if you get a really good one i hear you can power the pi from the hub.. not tried that.
[12:02] <chithead> the hub does not need to be good, it just needs to feed back power through the uplink
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[12:03] <dr_willis> infinate power?
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[12:04] <chithead> a 4-port powered hub needs to provide 2000 mA (4*500 mA) per spec
[12:06] <VictorCL> yes I just had this usb hub laying around
[12:06] <dr_willis> so avoid huge 12 port hubs unless the got a 12*500 power supply
[12:07] <dr_willis> ?
[12:07] <VictorCL> will get one with power supply
[12:07] <chithead> the hub should already come with a power supply
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> Right. I2C in C on the Pi. how hard can it be...
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[12:08] <dr_willis> i see a lot of cheap ones that have a power port. but no included power supply.
[12:08] <chithead> those won't work
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[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Hm. seems I2C is rather easy. wonder why people moan about it so much.
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> Olipro, bad SD card then?
[12:43] <Olipro> apparently so
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> oh well, there's plenty more!
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[13:08] <markedathome> i need 3x 0.1" pin header wire to 0.1" pin header wire. I've been bashing my head against some online web catalogs, and can't find what I'm looking for. Any ideas on other search terms?
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[13:11] <KnightEternal> hey guys.
[13:12] <KnightEternal> i'm trying to compile a python wrapper for omxplayer (pyomxplayer), but i'm stuck with a
[13:12] <KnightEternal> "warning: install_lib: 'build/lib.linux-armv6l-2.7' does not exist -- no Python modules to install"
[13:13] <KnightEternal> needless to say, i can't import the module afterwards so nothing works
[13:13] <KnightEternal> any ideas?
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> markedathome, I've no ide what you're after either - is it wires or sockets or ?
[13:17] <markedathome> black 0.1" header - wire - black 0.1" header ( i.e. using to connect a gpio pin to a pin on another board)
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/prototyping/100mm-female-to-female-jumper-wires-10pk.html
[13:18] <markedathome> yeah, exactly like that :-) except they are out of stock :-(
[13:18] <neilr> Search for Jumper Wires. Last lot I got from coolcomponents.co.uk - don't have an exact link to hand right now, sorry.
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-300mm-ff-p-393.html?zenid=imdqiavuuhi0hf3s9cfmlhnph2
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> just search the "usual suspects" - skpang, coolcomponents, hobytrinics, etc. :)
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[13:21] <markedathome> I was on coolcomponents and couldn't find them - except now I can (catalog | prototyping | connectors)
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[13:24] <bs123> hello
[13:24] <markedathome> gordonDrogon: neilr: thank you both
[13:24] <bs123> hey is this OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20121124031454-r12577.tar.bz2 the newest openelec
[13:25] <bs123> i got it from http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/
[13:26] <dr_willis> I think that version # is some how a date..
[13:26] <dr_willis> year/month/day perhaps?
[13:27] <bs123> yeah i see that...which looks old
[13:27] <bs123> i'm looking for "nightly" if there is
[13:27] <bs123> that looks like nov 24 to me
[13:28] <dr_willis> the other day i think i was told the daily builds are not often as up to date. but your mileage may vary. ;)
[13:28] <dr_willis> check the date on the ftp server perhaps? if you an see a file listing
[13:28] <bs123> ty dr_willis
[13:28] <dr_willis> xbian came out with a new version on the 1st :) thatss what ive been using
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[13:29] <sraue> bs123, the latest are the betas, see http://openelec.tv/get-openelec
[13:29] <dr_willis> Thats what i was thinking sraue :) i just couldent prove it..
[13:29] <dr_willis> OpenELEC 3.0 (Beta 6) - 2.95.6 - arm (85 MB) MD5
[13:30] <markedathome> bs123: https://www.ghcif.de/~t4c/raspberry/openelec/ has a build date < 24 hrs
[13:30] <mumbles> woop got my raspbpi booting again
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[13:33] <bs123> thanx guys
[13:34] <dr_willis> havent been able to get my bluetooth keyboard working in any of the xbmc disrots yet. ;(
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[13:43] <KnightEternal> finally got synergy working in Pi :D
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[13:47] <rymate1234> dammit
[13:47] <rymate1234> when does this SD card dispatch
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[14:00] <deam> hi
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[14:01] <deam> I want to create an image for the Raspberry PI with my (home automation) software preconfigured, what is the path I should follow? Can I just use the standard image, install the software and then create a dump of the sd card?
[14:01] <KnightEternal> yup
[14:02] <KnightEternal> just set everything up and use dd to create a disk image
[14:02] <deam> any stuff I should clear prior to creating the disk image? Log files, etc?
[14:02] <KnightEternal> i guess, depends if you don't want them there :p
[14:03] <KnightEternal> 1 thing though
[14:03] <KnightEternal> i've got a 16gb sd card
[14:03] <KnightEternal> and i've expanded the partition in order to use all the freespace available
[14:04] <KnightEternal> as a consequence, all the disk images i've been creating are 16gb long
[14:04] <KnightEternal> tl;dr: it takes a while
[14:04] <KnightEternal> because afaik i can't remove the freespace from the image
[14:04] <deam> maybe I should just pick the default size then, and not expand it
[14:05] <KnightEternal> yup
[14:05] <KnightEternal> but you'll need to expand it on the devices later on
[14:06] <deam> my software isn't that big at all
[14:07] <Dagger2> you can use e.g. tar to take a copy of the files rather than dumping a disk image
[14:07] <Dagger2> if speed or space is an issue
[14:08] <xarxer> Having a proximity sensor which voltage increases and decreases with distance, would it be possible to read the voltage value with GPIO?
[14:08] <KnightEternal> brb lunch
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[14:13] <artag> xarxer: not without some additional components
[14:14] <artag> an adc on the i2c or spi bus would be easiest, though it may be possible to make a crude converter with capacitors and resistors
[14:16] <xarxer> artag: So GPIO pins are always just 0 or 1?
[14:16] <artag> yes
[14:17] <xarxer> artag: So if I hook up one end to power supply, and the other to and i2c bus, I could read the voltage with an i2c interface?
[14:17] <xarxer> an*
[14:17] <artag> not directly to the i2c interface, no
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[14:17] <artag> the i2c interface can be used to connect other devices, such as ana analogue to digital converter
[14:18] <xarxer> artag: Ah okay.. hmm..
[14:19] <xarxer> I was hoping to use nothing but the Pi :)
[14:19] <artag> sadly, it doesn't have any analogue inputs
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[14:19] <artag> it does have schmitt inputs (which means they change from 0 to 1 at a specific voltage)
[14:20] <artag> you could use that with your detector if you can choose a specific distance that you want to detect, rather than measure a range
[14:20] <xarxer> artag: No, I want to measure a somewhat exact range
[14:21] <artag> or you can attach an arduino and use that to measure the stuff the pi can't
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[14:22] <artag> you need something like this : http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi
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[14:25] <xarxer> artag: Seems cheap enough! Thanks!
[14:26] <artag> there are probably other solutuions around, that's just the first one I found
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[14:28] <xarxer> artag: Are you familiar with AD converters?
[14:30] <artag> in general, yes. but not up to date with the latest/fastest/cheapest etc
[14:31] <xarxer> artag: What does it mean if an AD converter has a 12 bit resolution?
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[14:32] <artag> it means that the number you get out of it has 12 bits, so the range of values is 0 - 4095
[14:33] <Matt> as opposed to 8-bit, which is 0-255 or 10-bit, which is 0-1024
[14:33] <artag> where the voltage meant by 4095 depends on the actual adc and circuit, so in general it's 1 part in 4000-ish of the maximum voltage
[14:33] <Matt> um
[14:33] <Matt> 0-1023 even
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[14:34] <xarxer> artag: I guess those numbers are impossible to "calibrate" so to speak? I.e. such that if my max voltage is 3.3, I can't make 0V return 0 and 3.3V return 4095?
[14:35] <artag> there are various ways to calibrate it. you can probably do that in most cases
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[14:36] <Matt> IIRC, you usually give the ADC a reference voltage
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[14:37] <artag> typically an adc has a 'reference voltage' which sets the maximum range, but a few chips have it fixed and embedded so you can't change it
[14:37] <Matt> and if you care sufficiently, you can feed that from a precision source
[14:37] <xrosnight> hello everyone :D
[14:37] <Matt> xrosnight: morning
[14:37] <xrosnight> Matt: hi. here its evening :D good morning to you :)
[14:37] <Matt> #raspberrypi is temporarily sounding like ##electronics
[14:38] <xrosnight> yeah. also like it
[14:38] <xrosnight> i have made my Rapsberry Pi a website :D
[14:38] <artag> better than sounding like ##mediaplayer :)
[14:38] <Matt> lol, true
[14:38] <xarxer> artag, Matt: Thanks a bunch for the clarification.. I think I'll run off buying one right after work, hehe :)
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[14:39] <Matt> xarxer: I remember getting a little 8-bit serial ADC and then writing code to drive it in QBASIC
[14:39] <mumbles> got my blutooth keybord working . !
[14:39] <artag> xarxer: try to find one that will be happy on 3v3. some might want 5v which will be a pain
[14:40] <xarxer> artag: Is that some limitation for the GPIO on the RPi?
[14:40] <xarxer> or, well.. i2c
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[14:40] <artag> yes, it will need all sorts of extra bits for the pi to talk to 5v-only parts
[14:41] <artag> the pi's i2c and spi are 3v3 just like all the other gpio
[14:42] <xarxer> artag: Then I will get one of those..
[14:43] <xrosnight> artag: what's wrong to 5V
[14:43] <artag> best thing would be to follow that adafruit tutorial or some similar one aimed at pi users
[14:44] <xarxer> artag: Absolutely.. I'm really new to the hardware world
[14:44] <artag> xrosnight: the pi's gpio pins can't tolerate 5v, only 3v3. so if some other part needs to work at 5v, you have to have voltage converters on all the connections. which isn't impossible and may be worthwhile, but it's hassle you can do without
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[14:51] <gordonDrogon> there are some easy to use SPI and I2C ADCs.
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> e.g. the SPI one on the Gertboard - easy to use, not particualrly fast, but hey ..
[14:52] <mumbles> so i have my raspberry pi working again
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[14:52] <herdingcat> is there any Fedora rootfs for armv6 which rpi can use?
[14:52] <mumbles> so what do i do with it ?
[14:52] <mumbles> have got a wireless dongle in the post
[14:53] <ambro718> What is the maximum voltage that can be applied to the micro usb power supply? I see there is a voltage regulator "17-33g", but I'm not sure at what point it will burn out.
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[14:54] <ambro718> Is 7.2V too much?
[14:54] <|Jeroen|> i would just go for 5V
[14:54] <Matt> I don't have any empirical numbers
[14:55] <ambro718> or probably at mose 8V, from 6 NiMH cells.
[14:55] <Matt> but my gut says yes, that's too much
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> the CPU chip is directly connected to the input
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> do not exceed 5.5v or so.
[14:55] <ambro718> so what is the purpose of the regulator?
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> use a LDO
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> ambro718, the Pi needs 5v. The 5V isn't regulated on the Pi.
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> not for power
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> but the USB subsystem is connected to 5
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> that regulator provides 3.3v.
[14:56] <ambro718> aha ok, I'll keep using that LM317 then, thanks.
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> LM317 is fine, but you'd be better off using one of the switching types - it won't get as hot - especialyl if using batteries.
[14:57] <ambro718> could you give any specific choices for a switching regulator?
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> hang on - I'll look up.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/xp-power/sr10s05/switching-regulator-5v-1a-o-p/dp/1861095?Ntt=sr10s05
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/1A-Single-output-step-down-DC-to-DC-converters-R-78xx-1-0-series-78072
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> that'll give you some ideas.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> they're plug in replacements for 7805's.
[14:59] <ambro718> ok thanks a lot
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> more expensive, but run cooler, so waste less batteries in heat.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> people have also experimented with changing the 3.3 one on the Pi for a switching one too, but I don't have any details to hand.
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[15:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170734419936
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> also
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> stupidly cheap regulator
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[15:02] <mumbles> so is there a link people have for network scanning software on the pi ?
[15:02] <mumbles> apart from the wireshark
[15:05] <Matt> network scanning?
[15:06] <Matt> like nmap or nessus?
[15:06] <mumbles> yeh .
[15:06] <ambro718> gordonDrogon: those two you showed me don't need any extra components around, right?
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[15:11] <teh_orph> yo
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[15:14] <rymate1234> hey
[15:15] <IT_Sean> whats wrong w/ wireshark?
[15:16] <xrosnight> anyone's web cam works on Raspberry Pi????????????
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[15:17] <mumbles> xrosnight: havent checked
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[15:17] <ambro718> if it works on Linux on your PC is probably works on RPi too
[15:17] <IT_Sean> Try using more questionmarks.
[15:18] <mumbles> caps work as well.
[15:19] <xrosnight> mumbles: my usb cam doesnt work on raspberry pi. i mean it cant boot if i plugged it in...
[15:19] <chithead> try a powered usb hub. http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Webcams
[15:19] <IT_Sean> you can't boot the Pi if the webcam is plugged in??
[15:19] <IT_Sean> O_o
[15:19] <ambro718> to be more specific, yes, I've just plugged in some cheap Logitec camera "QuickCam E 3500" and it at least gets recognized by the uvcvideo driver
[15:19] <davzie> Sounds like your webcam has a virus.
[15:20] <xrosnight> IT_Sean: yeah. no it doesnt have. also my Wifi usb stick doesn't work if it is plugged in.
[15:20] <ambro718> which video encoders are supported by the chip if I don't pay for any licence?
[15:20] <mumbles> sounds like usb power problems
[15:20] <xrosnight> doenst have virus . it works very well on my Linux Mint 13
[15:20] <davzie> Linux Mint isn't virus-proof
[15:21] <davzie> ambro718: most it seems
[15:21] <davzie> MPEG2 was all that my Raspbmc couldn't decode
[15:21] <IT_Sean> Yeah, that's a power issue.
[15:21] <davzie> Which sucked because 50% of my South Park episodes were encoded using it (dont ask why)
[15:21] <|Jeroen|> and divx3
[15:21] <IT_Sean> What kinda power supply are you using...?
[15:21] <ambro718> davzie: note I asked about *encoders*
[15:21] <davzie> Sorry bro
[15:21] <|Jeroen|> dunno, why do you want to encode on a pi
[15:22] <ambro718> webcam streaming
[15:22] <xrosnight> davzie: i haven't checked it too much whether mint is virus-proof. but the fact is that the web cam is good.
[15:23] <davzie> xrosnight: I'm just fucking with you, unless someone got at yoru webcam and was very clever, the chances of it having a virus are 0.
[15:23] <chithead> some webcams need to much power
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[15:24] <IT_Sean> xrosnight, sounds like a power issue. The cam may be trying to draw too much from the Pi. Try using ap owered USB hub.
[15:24] <IT_Sean> *a powered
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[15:25] <davzie> Hey, IT_Sean, was only kidding around, apologies!
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[15:25] <IT_Sean> davzie, joking or not, keep it clean, please. :)
[15:25] <mumbles> my cheep webcam works a bit
[15:25] <xrosnight> mumbles: yeah. it is a power problem i guess. what if i connect the two cables to another stable power while the other two data cables are connected to Raspberry Pi? will that work?
[15:26] <IT_Sean> wait... what?
[15:26] <mumbles> erm. dont.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> just... get a powered hub.
[15:26] <IT_Sean> :p
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[15:27] <xrosnight> IT_Sean: okay. :D
[15:27] <ambro718> can ffmpeg transparently do video encoding/decoding on the gpu?
[15:27] <Matt> nope
[15:27] <ambro718> huh why not?
[15:27] <mumbles> right got to go and fix sompenes comptuers.
[15:28] <mumbles> with no wsay of knowing whats srong.
[15:28] <Matt> AFAIK, the only thing that'll use the codecs on the GPU at the moment is omxplayer
[15:29] <ambro718> what use is a GPU with all this stuff if you can't make use of it?
[15:29] <teh_orph> you need to explicitly program it
[15:29] <teh_orph> it's exactly the same as if you have a PC.
[15:29] <teh_orph> things need to be written to support GPU programming
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[15:30] <Tachyon`> yeah, which would be a lot easier if all the information was released which it isn't, heh
[15:31] <teh_orph> :-)
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[15:33] <rymate1234> would be nice if the whole gpu was open sourced
[15:33] <rymate1234> (hah)
[15:33] <IT_Sean> It would.
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Don't hold your breath for that.
[15:34] <ambro718> why would that be needed? Someone just needs to write plugins for ffmpeg that offloat to OpenMAX
[15:34] <ambro718> * offload
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[15:37] <marl_scot> hi folks, is it now imposible to download things like the 'official educational manual' without creating an indiecity account?
[15:38] * IT_Sean has no idea what you are talking about. ...What's an 'indiecity account'?
[15:38] <teh_orph> for the pi store
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Oh.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Sorry, i am not sure.
[15:39] <marl_scot> when you click on 'free download' for the manual from the pi site (pi store) you are asked to login or create an acocunt with indiecity.com
[15:39] <rymate1234> Look at my quality webcam!
[15:39] <teh_orph> this seems to be related: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=26540
[15:39] <IT_Sean> Sounds like you may have to create an account, then.
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[15:40] <marl_scot> i can understand this for paid apps, but its kinda anoying to have to tell my daughter that she has to create yet another account online just to access a free download, very disapointing turn of events for pi users i think :(
[15:40] <neilr> I know this is a long shot, and woefully off-topic, but has anyone here ever built any applications using the Google Calendar API?
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[15:41] <marl_scot> neilr, i have used the api a small amount with php to download events for billing, but not very much
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[15:42] <neilr> Cool - do you know of any pitfalls to avoid? Or is it just a case of me taking the time to read the Google APT documentation and getting on with it?
[15:42] <neilr> *API
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[15:44] <marl_scot> all i did was read the docs, and made sure that all my inital tests where just read requests, although i would probably recomend (and i believe it read the recomendation in the api docs at one point, although i may be mistaken) creating a seperate 'test' account so that you dont risk trashing your own data!
[15:45] <neilr> Ah, yeah, I noticed the calendar:clear request, and decided to stay well away from that one for a time :) Thanks for the info. I think I just need to get a cup of tea on the go and start bashing something together. Ta.
[15:46] <rymate1234> ....this is the worst webcam ever
[15:46] <rymate1234> oh crap
[15:46] <rymate1234> local IP
[15:46] <rymate1234>
[15:46] <IT_Sean> lol
[15:48] <IT_Sean> And seeing as i am STILL on Jersey tags... It is best that all my paperwork is in order.
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Whoops! wrong channel.
[15:48] <Matt> lol
[15:50] <rymate1234> thankfully I cannot get windows to recognise it
[15:51] <rymate1234> :o
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[15:51] <rymate1234> No drivers fo5r i5t
[15:52] <rymate1234> lmao
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[15:54] <rymate1234> oh hey
[15:54] <rymate1234> another webcam
[15:54] <xrosnight> rymate1234: whats up
[15:54] <rymate1234> just trying webcams on my pi
[15:54] <xrosnight> does it work?
[15:55] <rymate1234> Yes
[15:55] <rymate1234> however it was really bad quality
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[15:56] <xrosnight> rymate1234: what's that?
[15:56] <xrosnight> blur ???
[15:56] <teh_orph> the floor?
[15:56] <rymate1234> I haven't a clue
[15:56] <IT_Sean> it's just a grey screen
[15:56] <IT_Sean> it's null space!
[15:56] <IT_Sean> :o
[15:57] <rymate1234> That's how bad my camera is
[15:57] <IT_Sean> are you inside a black hole?
[15:57] <xrosnight> IT_Sean: yeah null
[15:57] <xrosnight> sort of i guess
[15:58] <xrosnight> rymate1234: hey do you build a wordpress blog site with your raspberry pi?
[15:59] <rymate1234> it just sorta runs on it
[15:59] <jelly1> by installing and setting up wordpress
[15:59] * jelly1 would just use a static blog though
[15:59] <jelly1> like jekyll
[16:00] <rymate1234> I found one that actually worked
[16:00] <rymate1234> (a webcam)
[16:00] <xrosnight> rymate1234: windows 7
[16:00] <rymate1234> windows 8 actually
[16:00] <rymate1234> but close
[16:01] <xrosnight> rymate1234: my cam doesnt work on raspberry , probably it needs more power. damn . neither my usb wifi stick ...
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[16:01] <bs123> hi
[16:02] <jelly1> define doesn't work
[16:02] <_yac_> you could try with a beefier psu, but usually it's the internal power convertors on the rpi boards that are the limiting factor
[16:02] <bs123> i'm trying to install openelec on sd from mint live usb
[16:02] <bs123> sudo isnt working
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[16:03] <jelly1> define isn't working.
[16:03] <bs123> mint OEbeta6 # sudo ./create_sdcard /dev/sdc
[16:03] <bs123> sudo: ./create_sdcard: command not found
[16:03] <bs123> <linux supernoob
[16:03] <marl_scot> bs123, have you tried just running 'sudo bash' and seeing if that works? (it will take you to a bash prmpt with root rights)
[16:03] <xrosnight> jelly1: which means the rasp cant boot or will shut down if i plug one of the usb sticks in..
[16:03] <bs123> no i will
[16:04] <jelly1> xrosnight: hrrm strange
[16:04] <jelly1> bs123: command not find
[16:04] <jelly1> bs123: create_sdcard isn't in the right dir
[16:04] <marl_scot> then after the 'sudo bash' then run your './create_sdcard /dev/sdc'
[16:04] <jelly1> no
[16:04] <jelly1> marl_scot: won't work :P
[16:05] <xrosnight> jelly1: yeah. but if there is only one an ethernet cable and a 5V cable out there. it works perfectly.
[16:05] <KnightEternal> guys, has anyone tried installing pyomxplayer ?
[16:05] <jelly1> xrosnight: strange, I can use on webcam fine
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[16:05] <xrosnight> what's your webcam jelly1
[16:05] <bs123> permission denied....
[16:05] <rymate1234> a tree
[16:05] <jelly1> logitech something
[16:05] <bs123> this is mint live on usb
[16:06] <marl_scot> jelly1, i sujested it becasuse i have had a few times recently where running 'sudo command' said it couldnt find the command, but logging in as root (or sudo bash) would run the command, not worked out why it happens though :(
[16:06] <jelly1> wtf
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[16:07] <bs123> i think this is maybe an issue because i'm using mint "live"
[16:07] <rymate1234> I would like to know why the resolution is only 320x240
[16:07] <jelly1> bs123: no
[16:07] <bs123> hmm
[16:07] <jelly1> rymate1234: cause the gpu is locked down
[16:07] <marl_scot> bs123, is it saying you dont have 'sudo privileges'?
[16:07] <bs123> oh sorry jelly1...i'm talking about my issue
[16:07] <rymate1234> huh?
[16:08] <SmoMo> i've been reading mixed reports about (no powered) hdmi->vga adaptors, that they can draw too much power. Is that true?
[16:08] <bs123> if i do sudo bash
[16:08] <jelly1> bs123: are you in the right directory
[16:08] <jelly1> bs123: run `ls`
[16:08] <bs123> then the command it says permission denied
[16:08] <bs123> yup
[16:08] <xrosnight> marl_scot you need to find a xrandr
[16:08] <marl_scot> xrosnight, ?
[16:08] <xrosnight> marl_scot: sudo apt-get isntall xrandr
[16:09] <teh_orph> err
[16:09] <bs123> arg
[16:09] <marl_scot> xrosnight, what does xrandr have to do with sudo?
[16:09] <xrosnight> nothing. su do mean " super do"
[16:10] <rymate1234> jelly1, why would the gpu have any effect on the webcam?
[16:10] <teh_orph> well you can use it to turn your monitor upside-down
[16:10] <teh_orph> could help
[16:10] <jelly1> rymate1234: which program do you use for caputre?
[16:10] <rymate1234> streamer
[16:10] <xrosnight> streamer?
[16:10] <bs123> mint@mint /media/mint/E696FB0796FAD6D1/PI/OEbeta6 $ sudo bash
[16:10] <bs123> mint OEbeta6 # ./create_sdcard /dev/sdc
[16:10] <bs123> bash: ./create_sdcard: Permission denied
[16:10] <bs123> mint OEbeta6 # ls
[16:10] <bs123> 3rdparty create_sdcard licenses README.md target
[16:10] <bs123> CHANGELOG INSTALL openelec.ico RELEASE
[16:10] <bs123> mint OEbeta6 #
[16:10] <rymate1234> streamer -t 1 -o foobar.png
[16:10] <rymate1234> is the command I used
[16:10] <jelly1> bs123: chmod +x create_sdcard
[16:10] <rymate1234> what should I use?
[16:10] <jelly1> rymate1234: it needs to create a png
[16:10] <xrosnight> rymate1234: do you have the link? what streamer?
[16:10] <marl_scot> bs123, try 'chmod 755 create_sdcard'
[16:11] <rymate1234> sudo apt-get install streamer
[16:11] <marl_scot> jelly1's version is the corect format for the command :)
[16:11] <rymate1234> I found this site http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO/#COMMAND
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[16:12] <bs123> no echo
[16:12] <jelly1> wut
[16:13] <bs123> mint OEbeta6 # chmod +x create_sdcard /dev/sdc
[16:13] <bs123> mint OEbeta6 # chmod 755 create_sdcard /dev/sdc
[16:13] <bs123> mint OEbeta6 #
[16:13] <jelly1> wrong but ok try again
[16:13] <bs123> i believe i did that from the sudo bash
[16:13] <jelly1> bs123: now ./create_sdcard /dev/sdc
[16:13] <jelly1> else go read a tutorial
[16:13] <xrosnight> rymate1234: lemme try it on my linux mint before rsp
[16:13] <bs123> k
[16:13] <bs123> ty
[16:13] <rymate1234> huh?
[16:14] <marl_scot> xrosnight, the only teim i use te 'su' command is if i am switching users (usually from root to user) any time i need root perms for more than a couple of commands i use the 'sudo bash' but the problem i have hit recently appears to be running something like 'sudo dd if=file.img of=/dev/sdd' says that 'dd' was not found, but i i run the same command after changing to root, it works fine.
[16:14] <bs123> this permissions thing is enough to scare ppl away from linux...it's too bad
[16:14] <jelly1> bs123: no it's not
[16:15] <jelly1> linux isn't for noobs
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[16:15] <jelly1> and hopefully it will never be
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[16:15] <xrosnight> rymate1234: since i can't hook my cam up with rasp, i ought to send picture to my rasp server by streamer i guess if the cam is hooked on my PC
[16:15] <marl_scot> jelly1, thats not fair, everyone has to start someware!
[16:15] <rymate1234> ah
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[16:15] <jelly1> marl_scot: newbies != noobs
[16:16] <bs123> jelly1 lol
[16:16] <rymate1234> linux isn't for n
[16:16] <marl_scot> lol ok then
[16:16] <rymate1234> linux doesn't have to be for noobs
[16:16] <rymate1234> See: Ubuntu
[16:16] <xrosnight> marl_scot: the user there might not have to authority to do ''dd ''
[16:16] <bs123> jelly1 was born with linux i guess
[16:16] <jelly1> if you want to start using linux you should try to learn, if you don't want that stick with windows
[16:16] <malown> would a gnomeshell install on the pi be usable or would it be too laggy?
[16:16] <bs123> yeah i'm trying
[16:16] <teh_orph> slow
[16:16] <bs123> :/
[16:17] <marl_scot> bs123, the permission thing is just stops files being run as programs unless they have been set as such
[16:17] <jelly1> malown: depends how open the GPU is made by broadcom
[16:17] <jelly1> gnome-shell needs opengl
[16:17] <Hodapp> jelly1: That seems like something of a false dichotomy.
[16:17] <xrosnight> you maybe need to add [username] ALL ALL ALL using "visudo"
[16:17] <bs123> i tried for 2 hours to execute this command before i came here and asked
[16:17] <marl_scot> xrosnight, for the machines that i have had the problem on, i have full sudo perms
[16:17] <jelly1> bs123: ah good, and searched online?
[16:17] <xrosnight> forget the clear sentence
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[16:17] <malown> jelly1: well, i thought someone has tried it and could tell me
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[16:17] <bs123> yeah...many windows open....
[16:17] <jelly1> malown: not me ;)
[16:18] <xrosnight> root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL could be user ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[16:18] <jelly1> cpu would be too slow for gnome :D
[16:18] <bs123> well thanx for helping...i'll learn some more ...thanx again bbl
[16:18] <marl_scot> xrosnight, '%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL' and im a member of the sudo group
[16:19] <malown> jelly1: figured that ;)
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[16:19] <rymate1234> you'd need to port gnome-shell to use opengl es
[16:19] <jelly1> haha
[16:20] <jelly1> if only the cpu was open :(
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[16:20] <rymate1234> there's enough info out there to port gnome-shell to OpenGL ES
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[16:23] <rymate1234> uh
[16:23] <rymate1234>
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[16:24] <nid0> you know other people cant see that right
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[16:25] <SmoMo> nid0: I clicked it and it was a photo of me eating a bagel ??
[16:26] <marl_scot> SmoMo, these spy cams get everyware!
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[16:27] <SmoMo> yeh, I found one of them inside my spy cam the other day. So Inception !
[16:27] <timmmaaaayyy> anyone running quassel core on their pi?
[16:27] <timmmaaaayyy> or have an irc (i think it's a bouncer) they think is good for the pi?
[16:27] <Hoerie> I run znc on mine
[16:27] <IT_Sean> Are you looking for an irc client, or a bouncer?
[16:28] <timmmaaaayyy> bouncer is what stays connected all the time right? then from my laptop i just connect to the bouncer with my normal client
[16:28] <timmmaaaayyy> ?
[16:28] <IT_Sean> Yes, that would be a bouncer
[16:28] <Hoerie> that's a bouncer, yes
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[16:29] <SpeedEvil> timmmaaaayyy: yes
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> timmmaaaayyy: quasselcore just worked
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> client is laggy on pi
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> server is fine
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[16:30] <SpeedEvil> quasseldroid works well too
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[16:30] <timmmaaaayyy> quassel core worked? oh sweet! i'm using that! awesoem! thanks so much
[16:32] <rymate1234> I would just use a znc server
[16:32] <rymate1234> then I'm not just limited to quassel
[16:34] <herdingcat> can anyone tell me the difference between arm and armhfp?
[16:36] <jelly1> armhfp is a different version of arm
[16:36] <jelly1> :p
[16:37] <jelly1> aka wikipedia
[16:37] <xrosnight> rymate1234: why streamer on my Mint only output a blank pic..
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> rymate1234: quassel is nice in that you can just scroll up
[16:37] <rymate1234> idk
[16:37] <xrosnight> streamer -c /dev/video0 -b 16 -o outfile.jpeg
[16:37] <rymate1234> should worl
[16:37] <rymate1234> *work
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[16:39] <timmmaaaayyy> SpeedEvil: are you using quasselcore-static-0.8.0?
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> no
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> 0.64
[16:39] <timmmaaaayyy> where'd you get it?
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> I should upgrade
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> apt-get
[16:39] <timmmaaaayyy> rog
[16:39] <SpeedEvil> it was some months ago
[16:40] <Belaf> herdingcat: try this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=7796&p=99844
[16:40] <timmmaaaayyy> shit i had no idea that was in apt-get
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[16:42] <herdingcat> Belaf, so what raspbian supports?
[16:42] <SmoMo> Hi, if I find a LCD screen that plugs into the little screen port will it work automatically, or do I have to get the right screen drivers as well?
[16:42] <SmoMo> LCD panel that is, I've already plugged a screen into the HDMI port
[16:43] <teh_orph> into the DSI connector?
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> SmoMo, you have to write them. No-one has. Yet.
[16:43] <SmoMo> ah interesting
[16:43] <Belaf> herdingcat: also, regarding fedora, you might want to give a look at this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=99463
[16:43] <SmoMo> I saw some youtube videos of a screen plugged into the rPI, maybe I misunderstood where it was plugged then
[16:43] <Belaf> I tried one of the images from a site mentioned there: http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/vault/f18-alpha-rpi-remix/rpfr-f18-beta-2.zip
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> don't suppose anyone knows about reading xD cards with a usb 5-in-1 reader device? (not particularly Pi related, but...)
[16:43] <rymate1234> DSI connector?
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> there have been some tiny SPI based LCDs plugged in.
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> seems my wife forgot to take her camera cable with her on holiday and bought a 5-in-1 usb reader thing, but her linux laptop isn't seeing the card )-:
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> bothersome xD cards.
[16:45] <ozymandias_> hey there; is there a way for me to check and see what version of firmware I'm running?
[16:45] <SmoMo> rymate1234: Yep that's the one
[16:45] <timmmaaaayyy> SpeedEvil: to prevent the irc bouncer from writing so much to the SD card, do you map a remote network drive and use that partition? or do you just let it write to the SC card?
[16:45] <SpeedEvil> just write to the SD
[16:45] <SmoMo> gordonDrogon: Thats the port I was thinking about. But did people write their own drivers then?
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[16:46] <herdingcat> Belaf, I have compiled a customized kernel + Fedora rootfs
[16:46] <SpeedEvil> the db is a few hundred meg now
[16:46] <rymate1234> SmoMo, no, I mean what is it?
[16:46] <Belaf> herdingcat: my understanding is that raspbian is using hardfp, so it should give better FP performance than, say the fedora image. If I understoon correctly fedora 18 remix should also move to hardfp... the drawback seems to be that some things don't work with hard fp, e.g. oracle java.
[16:46] <timmmaaaayyy> ok thanks
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> SmoMo, for the spi one? yes.
[16:47] <SmoMo> gordonDrogon: Ah, which one did you think I meant then?
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> http://www.whence.com/rpi/
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> SmoMo, I was thinking you meant the dsi connector initially.
[16:47] <SmoMo> ah great, thanks for the link
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[16:47] <herdingcat> Belaf, hmm, Fedora 18 is only for ARMv7, not ARMv6
[16:47] <SmoMo> ah yes , I did mean the dsi one, lol. Ah well, I'll read that site you just linked me to, that looks really interesting anyway
[16:48] <herdingcat> Belaf, so I have to use ARMv6 w/o hfp
[16:48] <herdingcat> Belaf, Just curious if we have any hfp rootfs currently.
[16:48] <rymate1234> what is the dsi connector?
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> SmoMo, the DSI port has no software and is connected to the GPU, so you'd need GPU knowledge to write the driver for it - ie. need to be part of the RPI foundation/broadcom...
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[16:49] <SmoMo> gordonDrogon: So, preumably, will the RPI foundation be supplying that driver at a later date. I guess they intend to otherwise they would include the port right?
[16:49] <Belaf> herdingcat: the fedora18 image I mentioned above works fine on the RPI (it's still a beta). Not sure when hardfp would become available for fedora.
[16:50] <herdingcat> Belaf, yes, it has the whole package including X but what I need is only a small rootfs :)
[16:51] <herdingcat> Belaf, where you got Fedora 18 for RPi?
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[16:53] <Belaf> it's from the link I posted above
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[16:55] <bs123> hi
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> SmoMo: do not take for granted any software for the CSI or dsi ports will ever be released.
[16:56] <SmoMo> SpeedEvil: Has there been unforseen issues with that then?
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> and if they are, that they will support any peripherals other than ones sold by the foundation
[16:56] <herdingcat> Belaf, this is for RPi http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/vault/f18arm-latest-arm-console.tar.xz, right?
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> SmoMo: simply that they are proprietorey, and nobody in the community can write docs.
[16:57] <SpeedEvil> write code
[16:57] <Belaf> herdingcat: the one I tried is actually http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/vault/f18-alpha-rpi-remix/rpfr-f18-beta-2.zip
[16:57] <herdingcat> Belaf, w/ X and XFCE
[16:58] <SmoMo> SpeedEvil: Ah I see, interesting
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[16:59] <Belaf> herdingcat: Iyes, it has all the grafical stuff & Co. but I'm using it headless :-)
[16:59] <marl_scot> hi bs123 , how you getting on?
[17:00] <herdingcat> Belaf, using GPIO Console?
[17:00] <xrosnight> rymate1234: i found "motion" works great on linux
[17:01] <Belaf> herdingcat: I only used a monitor and a keyboard to set it up, now I access it via ssh only.
[17:03] <herdingcat> Belaf, hehe, I don't have a monitor so just using serial console.
[17:03] <rymate1234> a serial console?
[17:04] <bs123> marl_scot no luck yet...doing some reading now...thanx for asking
[17:04] <herdingcat> rymate1234, gpio
[17:04] <bs123> not currently booted to linux
[17:04] <rymate1234> ah
[17:05] <bs123> i'm on vacation so i'm limited to just my netbook and pi...
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[17:05] <Belaf> herdingcat: sorry, I didn't try that. You need a self compiled kernel for that, don't you?
[17:07] <bs123> restoring mint img on usb right now...i may have messed up some password stuff heh
[17:07] <herdingcat> Belaf, nope
[17:08] <herdingcat> Belaf, but I need a TTL to USB cable
[17:09] <Belaf> herdingcat: USB, as you don't have a plain old serial port, you mean? It sounds interesting, could you give any pointer to info about this?
[17:09] <bs123> back to linux bbiab
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[17:09] <timmmaaaayyy> rymate1234: why do you use znc over bnc?
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[17:10] <rymate1234> wat
[17:10] <marl_scot> i must say 10/10 for CPC, just called because one of my pi's has died, and they are sending an advance replacement out! and my return is freepost :)
[17:10] <timmmaaaayyy> for irc bouncer
[17:10] <rymate1234> idk
[17:10] <timmmaaaayyy> quassel isn't going to work for me so i have to use something else
[17:10] <rymate1234> lol
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[17:10] <herdingcat> Belaf, sure, let me give you this
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> timmmaaaayyy: why? just wondering
[17:11] <TAFB> mornin peeps :)
[17:11] <xrosnight> piney_18b20: hey how did you hook your Rsp Pi with 18B20 ?
[17:11] <timmmaaaayyy> i run quassel at work so i'm already connected to one core, and the client can't connect to two cores at the same time.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:11] <xrosnight> TAFB: evening peeps :D
[17:11] <TAFB> pfft china ;)
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[17:12] <herdingcat> Belaf, https://www.modmypi.com/shop/USB-to-TTL-Serial-Cable-Debug-Console-Cable-for-Raspberry-Pi
[17:12] <neilr> xrosnight: do you mean DS18B20 one-wire temp sensors?
[17:12] <herdingcat> Belaf, I use minicom to login the pi and do sth..
[17:12] <xrosnight> neilr: yeah thats one.
[17:12] <xrosnight> temp sensor'
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[17:12] <xrosnight> one-wire temp sensor Dallas
[17:13] <neilr> either use the DS9490R USB to one-wire bridge, or connect them to the GPIO pins
[17:13] <neilr> Loads of info on the forum about this
[17:13] <Belaf> herdingcat: Thanks, I'll give it a try.
[17:13] <herdingcat> Belaf, no problem.
[17:13] <ozymandias_> nick ozymands
[17:13] <ozymandias_> grr
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[17:14] <xrosnight> neilr: alright . i will give it a try
[17:14] <herdingcat> Belaf, I purchased 20 Rpis and gonna build a small cluster for testing.
[17:15] <timmmaaaayyy> herdingcat: that's sick! you should blog as you do it. i'd love to be able to keep up on your work.
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[17:16] <xrosnight> TAFB: do you know how to forwards a domain name ?
[17:16] <Belaf> herdingcat: well, it's a nice toy :-) or do you plan to do serious stuff with them?
[17:16] <herdingcat> timmmaaaayyy, haha, okay, why not?
[17:16] <herdingcat> Belaf, Bioinformatics stuff
[17:17] <herdingcat> Belaf, AFAIK, my favorite resources scheduler has been ported to ARM so I can have a taste,
[17:17] <herdingcat> Belaf, Open Grid Scheduler
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[17:20] <Belaf> herdingcat: bioinformatics? I've got no experience of it, but sure it looks really interesting stuff.
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[17:20] <bs123> hi
[17:22] <herdingcat> Belaf, I was a HPC admin when I was in my university and also write perl progs.
[17:22] <marl_scot> bs123, that you back in linux?
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[17:22] <bs123> yes
[17:23] <bs123> damn i'm just lost...not sure what to do...
[17:23] <Belaf> herdingcat: it's amazing how much interest the RPI is bringing on other not-so-related stuff. I've seen the Plan9 port and as soon as I've got some time I want to try that :-)
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[17:23] <bs123> do you think this live usb mint boot is screwing me
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[17:24] <herdingcat> Belaf, yes, maybe any ARM computer is available but RPi is more flexible and cheap.
[17:24] <TAFB> anybody try anything like this? 1ghz CPU and 1gig DDR3 :) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Rikomagic-MK802-II-Mini-Android-4-0-PC-Android-TV-Box-A10-Cortex-A8-1GB-RAM/658117615.html
[17:24] <herdingcat> Belaf, Anyway, I don't think RPi would cost $35, hehe
[17:24] <xrosnight> TAFB: my friend bought some
[17:25] <xrosnight> TAFB: MK 808 is out
[17:25] <herdingcat> Belaf, I do really think most of ARM boards are so expensive.
[17:25] <xrosnight> TAFB: do you have a cubieboard ?? it's based on MK802 which has more than 1Ghz clock time and 4GB NAND flash
[17:25] <chithead> if you add shipping+taxes, the rpi costs more than that. but depending on where you live, you may need to pay import tax
[17:26] <xrosnight> and SATA support
[17:26] <Belaf> herdingcat: you mean, if it was not spreading so much, or if it was not non-profit based?
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[17:26] <TAFB> xrosnight: have no checked into it :) I like SATA support, so fast :)
[17:26] <xrosnight> chithead: i am in China. and i paid 17% tax and another 10% post fee
[17:26] <herdingcat> Belaf, ,if it was not non-profit based
[17:27] <herdingcat> xrosnight, hi, me too.
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[17:27] <xrosnight> herdingcat: where are you?
[17:27] <TAFB> xrosnight: mk808 looks nice :) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MK808-Android-4-1-Jelly-Bean-Mini-PC-RK3066-A9-Dual-Core-Stick-TV-Dongle-UG802/678625797.html
[17:27] <herdingcat> xrosnight, beijing
[17:28] <Belaf> herdingcat: well, yes, I agree. Anyway I'm glad to see these things to happen :-)
[17:28] <xrosnight> TAFB: yeah. MK808 is awesome! Ubuntu runs perfectly on it.
[17:28] <xrosnight> herdingcat: wow. so you are a Chinese?
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[17:29] <herdingcat> Belaf, what I'm thinking is I don't expect too much on ARM processor actually. In bioinfo some cases are string operations(that's why I use perl).
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[17:30] <herdingcat> Belaf, so I can rely on ARM. It works well w/ such scenarios.
[17:30] <herdingcat> xrosnight, sure
[17:30] <xrosnight> herdingcat: :D
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[17:31] <goad> xrosnight: I wouldn't say perfectly but it will get there
[17:31] <herdingcat> Belaf, we got some ARM servers in the DCs so I know their power actually :)
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[17:32] <megaproxy> i need to order my new pc..
[17:32] <Belaf> herdingcat: Yes, I read something about perl being well versed for bioinformatics because of that. But I expected the need of more powerful cpus... or is the parallelism more important than the raw power?
[17:32] <TAFB> hey megaproxy :)
[17:32] <xrosnight> goad: i haven't gotten one. it seems to be great. as for perfection, not sure
[17:32] <megaproxy> TAFB, :D
[17:32] <megaproxy> sup
[17:33] <xrosnight> great :D megaproxy
[17:33] <megaproxy> what do you think of this spec: http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/15tndq/new_computer_kinda_a_gaming_rig_but_not_a/
[17:33] <xrosnight> do you know how to forward domain names megaproxy
[17:33] <megaproxy> i do
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[17:33] <herdingcat> Belaf, for ARM, I would say distributed computing, not parallelism computing. The bottleneck in RPi is quite huge. Like networking.
[17:33] <TAFB> megaproxy: I was able to get enough parts on boxing day daeals to almost put together an entire machine. i5 with 32gb ram, 2 x 120gb SSD's on RAID0. Should be fast. Just need power supply :)
[17:34] <megaproxy> there were no decent sales here :(
[17:34] <megaproxy> ebuyer had one, but the site crashed
[17:34] <herdingcat> Belaf, that's why I need a DRM.
[17:34] <megaproxy> then when they fixed it, it was all remote control helicopters n crap
[17:34] <megaproxy> nothing good :(
[17:34] <herdingcat> xrosnight, so you are Chinese as well?
[17:34] <TAFB> megaproxy: lol. that sucks.
[17:34] <xrosnight> herdingcat: as well :)
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[17:35] * herdingcat handshakes w/ xrosnight
[17:35] <TAFB> megaproxy: no shops price match? EVERY store here does, even to online sales like amazon, etc.
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[17:35] <xrosnight> megaproxy: is that your shopping list?
[17:35] <Belaf> herdingcat: ok, what I meant was just "being executed in parallel" not any specific architecture, but I see that the network can be the bottleneck for that.
[17:35] <TAFB> megaproxy: that's the ?? to $USD conversion right now? i'm too lazy to look it up.
[17:36] <megaproxy> hang on, on the phone
[17:36] <herdingcat> Belaf, cool. networking and IO.
[17:36] <Matt> $1.625
[17:36] <TAFB> thx.
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[17:37] <megaproxy> xrosnight, yea, thats what im looking to get
[17:37] <megaproxy> TAFB, afaik noone here does
[17:37] <megaproxy> also
[17:37] <megaproxy> 1us = 61p
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[17:38] <Belaf> herdingcat: I remember many years ago there were things named "transputers" for that kind of things... I wonder what happened to them...
[17:38] <TAFB> megaproxy: list looks good. try for 2x8GB ram instead of 2x4gb that way you'll have 16gb with room for 32 in the near future :)
[17:38] <xrosnight> megaproxy: agree
[17:38] <herdingcat> Belaf, haha, what's that?
[17:38] <Belaf> herdingcat: they used to provide fast cpus AND fast communication amongst them
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[17:39] <megaproxy> is there any need for that much ram tho?
[17:39] <Belaf> herdingcat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transputer ... now this gives away something about my age... too bad :(
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[17:39] <TAFB> for sure, especially when you run a VM or two :)
[17:40] <aikiraichu> TAFB is now my favorite canadian
[17:40] <megaproxy> 650ti is a good card?
[17:40] <megaproxy> will it run all new games etc
[17:40] <TAFB> what I do with my 32gb of ram is split it half and make a ramdrive with 16gb. I put my Adobe, Firefox and a few other apps in there. RETARDED fast.
[17:40] <TAFB> megaproxy: I have the 560ti and love it, plays crysis3 at full everything no sweat :)
[17:40] <Torikun> TAFB: check email =)
[17:40] <TAFB> aikiraichu: lol
[17:41] <TAFB> Torikun: went to my junk mail, but worked :)
[17:41] <Torikun> awesome who was the sender
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[17:41] <aikiraichu> My 560 TI poops on all my games, nothing it can not run
[17:41] <megaproxy> TAFB, awesoooome
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[17:41] <megaproxy> ill probably order this sometime this week then
[17:41] <Belaf> herdingcat: i remember whan I was at the university, there was people in the lab working with the T9000 series it was rather impressive stuff fot the time.
[17:41] <megaproxy> i need to get some thermal paste n junk too
[17:41] <TAFB> Phillip Tribble rusher@rusherXXX.com
[17:41] <Torikun> awesome ty
[17:42] <Torikun> I got rid of dyndns lol
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[17:42] <herdingcat> Belaf, ah I know that
[17:42] <megaproxy> i just point the domain to my home IP
[17:42] <megaproxy> it never changes :D
[17:42] <megaproxy> yet its not static... its just awesome
[17:42] <TAFB> Torikun! NICE! Does outgoing mail go through gmail still?
[17:42] <Torikun> yup
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[17:42] <Torikun> http://pastie.org/5611795
[17:42] <Torikun> Check those godaddy DNS settings. @ is cool
[17:42] <megaproxy> @ = root
[17:43] <Torikun> yup
[17:43] <megaproxy> but godaddy is bad.
[17:43] <Torikun> why
[17:43] * megaproxy detests godaddy
[17:43] <megaproxy> they support sopa
[17:43] <Torikun> didn't they change
[17:43] <megaproxy> they will happily just take your domain offline for no reason etc
[17:43] <herdingcat> Belaf, 11:40:41 up 2:27, 2 users, load average: 3.24, 3.33, 3.18
[17:43] <megaproxy> who cares.
[17:43] <megaproxy> only because thousands left them
[17:43] <herdingcat> Belaf, yum upgrade
[17:43] <herdingcat> Belaf, horrible.
[17:43] <TAFB> Torikun: sweet setup :) so is your dynamic IP?
[17:44] * megaproxy ddos's
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[17:44] <Torikun> yup
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[17:44] <Belaf> herdingcat: what's horrible, the performance? When I did it there was very little to upgrade
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[17:45] <Belaf> herdingcat: ops, no, that was yum update...
[17:45] <TAFB> Torikun: risky :) are you going to sign up with a web service like "followthatpage", will check every 10 mins if your IP changes and e-mail you (prolly your gmail account, lol), if it does, might be a good idea on dynamic.
[17:46] <TAFB> Torikun: also, there is a company called dnsexit, which for free, will let you run a little program on your computer that'll auto update your A name if your IP changes :)
[17:46] <herdingcat> Belaf, hehe, yes
[17:46] <herdingcat> Belaf, horrible.
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[17:46] <megaproxy> TAFB, how do you stress test a pi?
[17:46] <megaproxy> and would you want to test mine.
[17:46] <megaproxy> mjy bottle pi.
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[17:47] <Torikun> TAFB: good info. notice how I stil have info.rusherxxx.com point to dyndns
[17:47] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/HedPX.jpg < bottle pi
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[17:47] <TAFB> megaproxy: For i/o I use iozone, for CPU I use "md5sum < /dev/urandom" and for network I use winscp and just dump a bunch of stuff on/off.
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[17:48] <rymate1234> megaproxy, should put a pi in an actual Pie
[17:48] <Belaf> herdingcat: sorry, afk for a bit...
[17:48] <TAFB> megaproxy: also, for stress testing the Pi as a web server I use WebStressTester, free, can find link if you need it.
[17:48] <megaproxy> if you could :D
[17:48] <megaproxy> i wana see how poor it is
[17:48] <megaproxy> rymate1234, i may do that.
[17:48] <megaproxy> just... because
[17:48] <TAFB> Torikun: did not see info.rusherxxx.com in your DNS.
[17:48] <xrosnight> TAFB: do you know how to forward domain names while port 80 is flirted ??
[17:49] <TAFB> xrosnight: I do not :(
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[17:49] <megaproxy> xrosnight, the normal way
[17:49] <xrosnight> TAFB: i need you to test my new server now :D haha it's based on raspbian . not archlinux anymore
[17:49] <megaproxy> but you cant just visit the domain.com
[17:49] <megaproxy> it would be domain.com:portnumber
[17:49] <Torikun> i mean login
[17:49] <Torikun> not info lol
[17:50] <TAFB> xrosnight: there was a company called dns2go that could "proxy" your website, so your viewers could just visit yoursite.com but would proxy to yoursite.com:8080
[17:50] <xrosnight> megaproxy: i can't visit domain.com i don't want to visit domain.com:81 ...
[17:50] <megaproxy> mm :(
[17:50] <Torikun> CNAME login rusher81572.dyndns.org
[17:50] <megaproxy> im sure there is a way..
[17:50] <xrosnight> i just need to forward the domain.com to ip:[port] . that's it
[17:51] <xrosnight> could it?
[17:51] <TAFB> Torikun: ahh yes, login.rusher... NICE! as a backup incase the IP changes, dirty :)
[17:51] <Torikun> yup lol
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[17:51] <megaproxy> xrosnight, i dont think you can forward to a port
[17:51] <TAFB> Torikun: how is your Arch running?
[17:51] <megaproxy> : would be a odd char for it
[17:51] <megaproxy> hmmm
[17:52] <megaproxy> i think the only way would be a proxy service
[17:52] <megaproxy> you could try cloudflare
[17:52] <xrosnight> megaproxy: i tried on godaddy but failed.
[17:52] <Torikun> good now lol
[17:52] <megaproxy> thats free.
[17:52] <Torikun> good 75 min to reimage
[17:52] <Torikun> you?
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[17:52] <TAFB> Torikun: wow, that's way better! Nice :)
[17:52] <KiltedPi> Had such a great day!
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[17:52] <nid0> you can happily setup what you need using a srv record
[17:52] <TAFB> Torikun: did you try my tweaked fstab?!
[17:52] <KiltedPi> I HIGHLY recommend filming your kid-
[17:52] <Torikun> not upgrading for awhile lol
[17:52] <xrosnight> megaproxy: you mean me? cloudflare
[17:52] <Torikun> no lol
[17:52] <megaproxy> yea
[17:52] <KiltedPi> When you tell them/give them their first pi!
[17:53] <megaproxy> it may get around it
[17:53] <KiltedPi> They are so enthused!
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[17:53] <TAFB> Torikun: get on it! i e-mailed you nice fstab, just change ext4 to ext3 if that's what you're runnin :)
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[17:53] <passstab> hi
[17:53] <KiltedPi> My friends kid Andy, he got so excited when i told him the pi was a fully working computer exactly like his dads laptop!
[17:53] <KiltedPi> hey
[17:53] <Torikun> you said you can not go from ext4 to ext3
[17:53] <Torikun> not backwards compatible
[17:53] <passstab> what speed SD card does the pi take?
[17:53] <KiltedPi> I wish i'd filmed him on my camera phone
[17:53] <TAFB> Torikun: quit smoking that crack :)
[17:53] <KiltedPi> Dunno passstab
[17:54] <TAFB> Torikun: I said you can not change the file system, but you need to tell fstab what your current file system is :)
[17:54] <xrosnight> KiltedPi: haha
[17:54] <KiltedPi> ext4/3 are completely different file systems no?
[17:54] <|Jeroen|> no
[17:54] <KiltedPi> It was great!
[17:54] <Torikun> it is ext4 now
[17:54] <KiltedPi> He was over the moon
[17:54] <TAFB> Torikun: then perfect, install that fstab! :)
[17:54] <KiltedPi> It brought me back to the eighties
[17:54] <KiltedPi> when I got my commodore.
[17:54] <Torikun> lol ok letme get coffee first
[17:54] <KiltedPi> They love seeing the chip itself
[17:54] <KiltedPi> We are half way through our OWI robotic arm now
[17:55] <KiltedPi> Got the base built-
[17:55] <megaproxy> ok xrosnight i dont think cloudflare will work
[17:55] <megaproxy> :
[17:55] <megaproxy> :(*
[17:55] <TAFB> Torikun: ok, ok. I'll work on putting together all the parts I got on boxing day. Should make a RIPPING Linux box :)
[17:55] <KiltedPi> best ??30 quid i ever spent : http://www.robotshop.com/eu/owi-535-robotic-arm-edge.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=GoogleUK
[17:56] <rymate1234> lol
[17:56] <TAFB> KiltedPi: wow, sweet looking arm :)
[17:56] <rymate1234> all I have is a mediocre laptop
[17:56] <KiltedPi> Its simple enough for him to do with me. He's only 11 years old
[17:56] <KiltedPi> ??30!
[17:56] <KiltedPi> from Maplin in Glasgow
[17:57] <KiltedPi> He's my 'test' subject for a youth club im going to be pieing with :)
[17:57] <megaproxy> dont pee on the youth!
[17:57] <KiltedPi> I recommend- when you give a kid one, make sure you have your camera phone
[17:57] <KiltedPi> They are so enthused by it. I was literally shocked by how excited he was
[17:57] <KiltedPi> I wish i'd filmed it, so i could post on the forums.
[17:58] * neilr (~neilr@ Quit ()
[17:58] <rymate1234> "100g lifting capacity!"
[17:58] <KiltedPi> :))))
[17:58] <rymate1234> uh
[17:58] <rymate1234> "Ages 13 and up
[17:58] <rymate1234> "
[17:58] <rymate1234> lol
[17:58] <|Jeroen|> thats not much
[17:59] <KiltedPi> He's eleven, and found it fine
[17:59] <|Jeroen|> can u increase it ?
[17:59] <rymate1234> lol
[17:59] <KiltedPi> Ach! its not a robotic solution. Just a great learning aid
[17:59] <KiltedPi> You build everything from the gearbox'
[17:59] <Torikun> TAFB: It would be smarter if I ran some apache benchmarks first lol
[17:59] <KiltedPi> to the arm
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[17:59] <SpeedEvil> neat
[18:00] <xrosnight> KiltedPi: did you film the robot arm?
[18:00] <rymate1234> KiltedPi, make a web interface to control the robotic arm :P
[18:00] <KiltedPi> Incomplete yet!
[18:00] <KiltedPi> We're half way through the manual
[18:00] <TAFB> KiltedPi: I would also like to see the arm in action when done :)
[18:00] <KiltedPi> Certainly!
[18:00] <rymate1234> I would too!
[18:00] <|Jeroen|> lol yeah, then we can slap u with the arm remotly cool!
[18:00] <KiltedPi> Its a simple little piece of code
[18:00] <KiltedPi> Hah!
[18:01] <KiltedPi> Oh. he'd love that
[18:01] <TAFB> my new 50mm f.14 canon lens I bought on boxing day just showed up :) woot.
[18:01] <KiltedPi> If i said "In china, this guy is controlling the arm"
[18:01] <TAFB> KiltedPi: you're going to make it controllable over the web?? sweet :)
[18:01] <KiltedPi> Well! Actually... in this day and age. he might be like "PFT! i can email my aauntie in australia! Big deal!"
[18:01] <xrosnight> KiltedPi: what's with China
[18:01] * KiltedPi shrugs
[18:01] <KiltedPi> far away place! :)
[18:01] <TAFB> KiltedPi: Neet to put a webcam on the end of the arm, and stream it so we get a "birds eye" view of the action :)
[18:02] <KiltedPi> Thats the plan TAFB
[18:02] <Torikun> TAFB: how is / mounted ? It is not in fstab
[18:02] <xrosnight> KiltedPi: that's where i am :D
[18:02] <KiltedPi> Scotland here!
[18:02] <TAFB> Torikun: it's a secret. you need to add the / line to fstab.
[18:02] <TAFB> Torikun: do you have the e-mail I sent with the fstab? just copy the / line into your fstab = done.
[18:02] <Torikun> lol
[18:03] <Torikun> I just ran the benchmarks as is...loading up email now
[18:03] <xrosnight> KiltedPi: I know Galasgow, i had a chance to go there to study but gave up
[18:03] <TAFB> nice
[18:03] <KiltedPi> TAFB, does it use the (I want to say CSI?) interface?
[18:03] <TAFB> Torikun: iozone benchmarks? or web? INFO!?
[18:03] <KiltedPi> the new one on the pi
[18:03] <Torikun> time wget rusher81572.com/pi
[18:03] <Torikun> lol
[18:03] <KiltedPi> what were you studying xros?
[18:03] <TAFB> KiltedPi: Does what use CSI interface?
[18:03] <KiltedPi> Yor cam
[18:03] <KiltedPi> Your cam*
[18:03] * gordonDrogon is originally from bonnie Scotland ...
[18:03] <xrosnight> KiltedPi: insurance LOL. that's my major
[18:04] <KiltedPi> crikey.
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> jings!
[18:04] <TAFB> KiltedPi: Which cam? lol. The one I just got the lens for? No idea, Canon t2i/550d DSLR. I have not decided on a USB PiCam for the Pi yet.
[18:04] <KiltedPi> Ach! gordon
[18:04] <KiltedPi> :)
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> help ma boab, etc.
[18:04] <KiltedPi> heh
[18:04] <KiltedPi> Have you seen the main page, they built a time lapse track
[18:04] <Torikun> ok added it and changed it to ext3
[18:04] <Torikun> reboot?
[18:04] <TAFB> Torikun: WAIT!
[18:04] <Torikun> k
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> sadly it's now reached the 50:50 mark of me living outside Scotland to inside it... Ah well.
[18:05] <TAFB> Torikun: you said you were using EXT4!?
[18:05] <Torikun> yup
[18:05] <TAFB> Torikun: then why did you change it to EXT3? It will break ish bad.
[18:05] <Torikun> lol you just said....
[18:05] <TAFB> You need to tell fstab, what CURRENT FILE SYSTEM YOU ARE RUNNING.
[18:05] <TAFB> if you are running ext4
[18:05] <xrosnight> KiltedPi: you said you paid 30 pounds . is that after tax?
[18:05] <TAFB> you need to have ext4 in your fstab.
[18:05] <KiltedPi> Around about ??30 sure
[18:06] <Torikun> I will still not be able to upgrade right?
[18:06] <TAFB> Torikun: your upgrade problem has nothing to do with fstab. if your kernel is on ext4 file system and you upgrade, it will break again.
[18:06] <Torikun> ok reboot?
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> KiltedPi: shipped?
[18:06] <KiltedPi> Yeah, I'm near Glasgow aye.
[18:06] <KiltedPi> Nope.
[18:06] <KiltedPi> From the shop in Glasgow
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:07] <KiltedPi> Maplin
[18:07] <marl_scot> hey folks, just for info the problem that bs123 had earlier with not having 'permissions' to run the openelec install program, was down to not being able to set the execute bit on the install program (looks like it was an NTFS folder that the install was on)
[18:07] <KiltedPi> rookie mistake marl :/
[18:07] <marl_scot> fix was to run '. ./create_sdcard /dev/sdc' instead of just the './create.....'
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[18:08] <Belaf> herdingcat: back... how's the upgrade going? :-)
[18:08] <herdingcat> Belaf, welcome
[18:08] <herdingcat> Belaf, Updating : selinux-policy-targeted-3.10.0-161.fc17.noarch 93/219
[18:08] <marl_scot> KiltedPi, yup, but first time i have come accross not being able to set the execute bit and not getting any errors when trying!
[18:08] <bs123> thanx again marl_scot
[18:09] <xrosnight> TAFB: you might tell him he needs genfstab . is there any script like "genfstab" on debian destros like what on Archlinux?
[18:09] <Belaf> herdingcat: but are you doing an upgrade from fc17 to fc18?
[18:09] <herdingcat> Belaf, [root@fedora-arm ~]# ps auwx | grep semodule
[18:09] <herdingcat> root 720 99.8 32.0 161608 159688 pts/0 R+ 11:50 18:24 /usr/sbin/semodule -n -s targeted -r xfs kudzu kerneloops execmem openoffice ada td
[18:09] <herdingcat> Belaf, no, just for FC17
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[18:09] <herdingcat> Belaf, I need to modify many parts of current one to fit in my goal.
[18:10] <Belaf> herdingcat: oh, I see, fc17 is a few months old, so there are many updates to that.
[18:10] <Torikun> TAFB: booted fine, ty
[18:10] <herdingcat> Belaf, yes, even FC18, as well.
[18:10] <TAFB> Torikun: NICE! One more command to run, one sec.
[18:10] <KiltedPi> always nice when it boots
[18:10] <herdingcat> Belaf, [root@fedora-arm ~]# uptime
[18:10] <herdingcat> 12:10:38 up 2:57, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 1.06, 1.67
[18:10] <KiltedPi> Thats HALF the battle! :DDD
[18:11] <Belaf> herdingcat: for me fc18 only updated 3 or 4 packages.
[18:11] <Torikun> TAFB: the apache test was not much different 4.307s versus 4.356s
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[18:11] <KiltedPi> Ach! Just got told, Andy is 8 years old!!! not eleven, and this robotic arm says 13+
[18:11] <TAFB> Torikun: Run: tune2fs -o journal_data_writeback /dev/mmcblk0p2
[18:11] <TAFB> might need sudo
[18:11] <KiltedPi> He's quite tall tho!
[18:11] <herdingcat> Belaf, really?
[18:11] <mumbles> i now have the rii mini keybord auto loading at startup
[18:12] <herdingcat> Belaf, Am I going to re-construct rootfs?
[18:12] <Torikun> ok did
[18:12] <herdingcat> Belaf, hehe
[18:12] <KiltedPi> whats it firing back at you, Torikun?
[18:12] <Torikun> tune2fs 1.42.6 (21-Sep-2012)
[18:12] <Torikun> thats it
[18:12] <KiltedPi> :)
[18:12] <TAFB> Torikun: perfect, worked :)
[18:12] <KiltedPi> yeah
[18:12] <Belaf> herdingcat: well fc18 is not yet released, so I would not expect many updates :-)
[18:12] <KiltedPi> fc18?
[18:12] <KiltedPi> :S
[18:13] <KiltedPi> I'm new to electronics. Almost completely.
[18:13] <TAFB> Torikun: the tweaks you made don't affect raw throughput/speed, but when multiple requests are made to the SD card it won't slow to a crawl like normal.
[18:13] <KiltedPi> I've already learned so much.
[18:13] <Torikun> TAFB: wow new PI status page test is 4.039s versus 4.356s
[18:13] <herdingcat> Belaf, agreed.
[18:13] <KiltedPi> Oh, did anyone say about what speed the SD card for the pi needs to be?
[18:13] <KiltedPi> Someone asked earlier
[18:13] <TAFB> Torikun: nice :) Going to add to blod, or too dangerous?
[18:13] <KiltedPi> class 4/5?
[18:13] <KiltedPi> Dunno.
[18:13] <Belaf> KiltedPi: fcnn used to stand for Fedora Core nn, not sure it's still officially named like that...
[18:13] <Torikun> http://rusher81572.com/pi/
[18:13] <Torikun> I will
[18:13] * KiltedPi googles
[18:14] <TAFB> Pi page loaded NICE :)
[18:14] <bs123> gonna go fire it up now :)
[18:14] <rymate1234> TAFB, link to the status page?
[18:14] <TAFB> Mine? http://tafb.yi.org
[18:14] <rymate1234> thx
[18:14] <TAFB> Rushers: http://rusher81572.com/pi/
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> KiltedPi, a friend of mine has written some python gui to control those little robot arms.
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> (if it's the one I think it is)
[18:15] <TAFB> Torikun: under "USB Info" you've got some long lines, if you add to the end of you shell_exec command this: | cut -n1-80
[18:15] <KiltedPi> OWI edge
[18:15] <KiltedPi> Robotic arm
[18:15] <TAFB> Torikun: then it'll trim the output so it fits in the page :)
[18:15] <KiltedPi> No need for the GUI, I can code in python
[18:15] <KiltedPi> Piece of cake.
[18:15] <KiltedPi> Its hardware I'm clueless about! :)
[18:16] <KiltedPi> Thanks tho
[18:16] <Torikun> k
[18:16] <KiltedPi> The OWI Edge robotic arm*
[18:16] <KiltedPi> I want him to get stuck into the code
[18:16] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon.thats exciting :D i am going to use some GPIO python wrappers
[18:16] <KiltedPi> But- I think it might scare him a bit
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looks similar, but it has a USB socket on it.
[18:17] <bs123> marl_scot: works great thanx again
[18:17] <KiltedPi> Yeah, it'll use a similiar format. It has three int's
[18:17] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, go for it - but I didn't to the python wrappers to wiringPi, just the underlying wiringPi (which is all in C)
[18:17] <KiltedPi> (x,y,z)
[18:17] <KiltedPi> A min/maximum range
[18:17] <KiltedPi> for the three seperate parts
[18:17] <KiltedPi> Anyway. I hope he doesn't get scared by it
[18:17] <KiltedPi> the code. I mean
[18:18] <KiltedPi> He's loved building it
[18:18] <bs123> KiltedPi: i am a rookie :)
[18:18] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon i think you may be a elec engineer cause you are so fond of C basiclly
[18:18] <KiltedPi> I'm into software
[18:18] <bs123> marl_scot gave me a good lesson though :)
[18:18] <KiltedPi> But the electronics. Well. Put it this way, i learned the word "GPIO" last week!
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, no... just an old programmer.
[18:19] <IT_Sean> KiltedPi, we all hafta start somewhere.
[18:19] <KiltedPi> Yeah
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[18:19] <KiltedPi> Socrates: "To first gain true knowledge, we must accept we know absolutely nothing"
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, been writing C for over 30 years..
[18:19] <KiltedPi> I've some experience with C
[18:19] <Torikun> http://rushersdomain.blogspot.com/2013/01/removing-logging-to-increase-io.html
[18:19] <KiltedPi> But i coded java
[18:19] <bs123> yeah i've been more of a hardware guy in the past...etched some boards...etc etc...
[18:20] <KiltedPi> Once u learn one Object orientated language, you know em all
[18:20] <xrosnight> gordonDrogon wow wow. wow. out of my age
[18:20] <Torikun> I made https://code.google.com/p/mephistobackup/ in Java KiltedPi lol
[18:20] <KiltedPi> Although some have a memory 'heap' and slight differences with handling memory and things
[18:20] <KiltedPi> Http is a nice one yeah
[18:20] * IT_Sean has never coded java, but has OO experiance
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[18:20] <TAFB> Torikun: lookin good... the before/after tweaks, I would switch around, when I first read it, looked like after tweak was way slower :) Put Before/After... Before/After...
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[18:21] <KiltedPi> Nice Torikun
[18:21] <KiltedPi> v.nice
[18:21] <pksato> 0
[18:21] <KiltedPi> never etched a board in my life, bs123
[18:21] <KiltedPi> Well.. maybe in science class in the eighties.
[18:21] <KiltedPi> lol
[18:21] <KiltedPi> :D
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[18:24] <xrosnight> TAFB: how do you test your web server ?
[18:25] <TAFB> how do I load test it? using Windows program on Local network called WebStressTester. Absolutely floods it over local network (so internet isn't bottle neck), works great.
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[18:25] <TAFB> I can get you link cause sometimes google is dumb.
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[18:26] <TAFB> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Network-Tools/Network-Testing/Web-Stress-Tester.shtml
[18:28] <xrosnight> TAFB: what if i am not a windows user
[18:29] <TAFB> xrosnight: then you suck :)
[18:29] <TAFB> lol.
[18:29] <xrosnight> :-Dhaha
[18:29] <TAFB> I'm sure there's other free programs out there. If you run apache, I know it comes with a program :)
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[18:30] <xrosnight> TAFB: i was recommended to change it to Nginx
[18:30] <TAFB> nginx is WAY faster
[18:31] <rymate1234> it is
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[18:31] <rymate1234> I used this guide to set it up http://library.linode.com/web-servers/nginx/php-fastcgi/debian-6-squeeze
[18:31] <rymate1234> it says debian 6, but it worked with the Pi
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[18:32] <|Jeroen|> i used lighthttp once on an arm, it was pretty fast
[18:32] <xrosnight> TAFB: if you'd like to have a load test :D http://xroslight.oicp.net:81/tz_e.php
[18:33] <TAFB> xrosnight: connection from Canada to China is VERY poor, so my load test won't be good, but I'll give er a go. one sec.
[18:33] <xrosnight> rymate1234: i tried my self. have changed it from Archlinux to Raspbian today
[18:33] <TAFB> also, it's not good to load test PHP page first, usually html, but one sec :)
[18:33] <KiltedPi> A few people have ditched arch
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[18:34] <TAFB> load test started
[18:34] <xrosnight> TAFB: alright. but what
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[18:34] <TAFB> 1606 errors so far, only 14 pages per second.
[18:35] <TAFB> is that under apache?
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[18:35] <xrosnight> TAFB: nginx
[18:35] <Cf54> Hello, There is now a turbo mode. It allow to work at hiher freq when usefull, and goes back to normal freq if temps goes to high. Is is possible to have a smaler "normal freq" ? I would like my pi to be on quite an idle state (so would'nt need more than 200 mH freq) but be able to wake up tu full speed whand asked (but not often)
[18:35] <TAFB> was gonna say, 14 is pretty good for apache :)
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[18:35] <TAFB> do you have html page I can test?
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[18:36] <xrosnight> TAFB: wait. you could start again. let me
[18:36] <xrosnight> let close some ps
[18:36] <TAFB> lol
[18:36] <KiltedPi> Sounds like you need to find the necessary config file cf54
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[18:36] <KiltedPi> And change a variable in there
[18:36] <KiltedPi> it will be a 'minimum' value.
[18:36] <xrosnight> TAFB: i have. http://xroslight.oicp.net:81/index.php
[18:37] <xrosnight> http://xroslight.oicp.net:81/index.html
[18:37] <KiltedPi> Another of the guys in here will be more experienced with that sort of thing-
[18:37] <KiltedPi> But- I reckon if you google something along those lines
[18:37] <Cf54> KiltedPi: I'm more looking for commands to put on the config file
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[18:37] <KiltedPi> You'll find the answer
[18:37] <TAFB> k. i'll try index.html
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[18:37] <KiltedPi> yeah, you'll need to write a bit of BASH
[18:37] <KiltedPi> The CLI for linux
[18:37] <KiltedPi> To make it do anything cleverer
[18:38] <TAFB> xrosnight: wow, html page renders fast :) over 80 pages per second! :)
[18:38] <KiltedPi> However, changing a value is just changing a value :)
[18:38] <KiltedPi> in a config
[18:38] <KiltedPi> anyway! dinner
[18:38] <Cf54> KiltedPi: I found how to change the max value (overclock), but not how to change the min one
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[18:38] <xrosnight> TAFB: i am staring at the usage of CPU. Nginx for 8% around only
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[18:38] <TAFB> xrosnight: not bad, let me try php now, watch CPU for php service.
[18:39] <xrosnight> TAFB: you could increase the flood
[18:39] <xrosnight> tafb yeah.
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[18:39] <TAFB> xrosnight: connection from canada to china doesn't support flood :(
[18:39] <TAFB> under sea fiber cable is small between us
[18:39] <xrosnight> haha
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[18:40] <xrosnight> did you start? php test?
[18:40] <TAFB> not yet, 5 seconds...
[18:40] <xrosnight> alright
[18:41] <TAFB> started
[18:41] <xrosnight> oh
[18:41] <xrosnight> wow
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[18:41] <audiodef> Anyone use distcc on the pi?
[18:41] <TAFB> xrosnight: is it using lots of cpu?
[18:42] <xrosnight> TAFB: not too much
[18:42] <xrosnight> 64% percent
[18:42] <TAFB> lol, 64% pretty much means 100% because of background system processes ;)
[18:42] <xrosnight> i am going to upload the picture
[18:43] <TAFB> it's only doing 3 pages per second with it set on total flood :) that's why PHP sucks super bad on the Pi :(
[18:43] <TAFB> ok, stopping test.
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[18:43] <Torikun> qlol
[18:43] <Torikun> lol
[18:44] <xrosnight> TAFB: do you know any sites to paste random pics
[18:44] <TAFB> i use tinypic
[18:44] <rymate1234> I use imgur
[18:45] <rymate1234> or my raspberry pi
[18:45] <TAFB> imgur blocked by lots of forums now
[18:45] <Torikun> y
[18:45] <rymate1234> y
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[18:45] <TAFB> dunno, just none of them will show the picture, just convert it to a link. no problems with photobucket, tinypic, etc.
[18:45] <TAFB> I think cause too many questionable pics on imgur
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[18:46] <ambro718> huh, my motor controller provides 0.6A 5V output for the "receiver", that should power the Pi just fine, looks like I won't be needing to buy that switching regulator ater all :)
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[18:46] <TAFB> some of them block .xxx too so I can't host pictures to them from my http://tafb.xxx server
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[18:46] <Torikun> why do you have .xxx
[18:47] <xrosnight> http://i50.tinypic.com/4eumb.jpg
[18:47] <tb01110100> My Arch RPi hangs at boot with the message: Starting Load Random Seed...
[18:47] <TAFB> xrosnight: yep, that's only showing you "user" cpu, not "system" cpu. Download iostat for the "Real" cpu usage :)
[18:47] <Belaf> herdingcat: just curious, how are you booting the different boards in the cluster?
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[18:48] <TAFB> Torikun: I like .xxx cause new domain group = short name like tafb.xxx :)
[18:48] <xrosnight> TAFB: isn't .xxx kind of porn popular
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[18:48] <Torikun> lol
[18:48] <IT_Sean> why do you have a .xxx domain!?
[18:48] <IT_Sean> That's fer porn!
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[18:48] <Torikun> RaspberryPorn
[18:48] <TAFB> lol
[18:48] <TAFB> rpi.xxx?
[18:49] <Torikun> lol
[18:49] <TAFB> wonder if it's taken
[18:49] <tb01110100> Help please?
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[18:50] <Torikun> tb01110100: did you update the kernel right before it happened?
[18:50] <TAFB> Congratulations! RASPBERRYPI.XXX is available
[18:50] <TAFB> rpi.xxx is taken :(
[18:50] <Torikun> lol
[18:50] <TAFB> Torikun: lol is right :(
[18:50] <tb01110100> Torikun: Did a pacman -Syu. Is that what you mean? I think there was a kernel update.
[18:50] <Torikun> oh
[18:50] <Torikun> tehre is known issues with upgrading to the latest kernel
[18:50] <TAFB> oh, bad news.
[18:50] <Torikun> TAFB: and I had bad issues booting after the update
[18:50] <xrosnight> let's find some girls who like to make films for raspberrypi.xxx. i will buy :D
[18:50] <Torikun> your using ext4 huh?
[18:51] <tb01110100> Torikun: Yup.
[18:51] <|Jeroen|> lol
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[18:51] <TAFB> xrosnight: Do you know what yellow fever is?
[18:51] <|Jeroen|> it must me cheap pron then
[18:51] <Torikun> tb01110100: sorry mate. you need to reflash?
[18:51] <Torikun> TAFB: I got yellow fever lol
[18:51] <TAFB> Torikun: ME TOO!
[18:51] <tb01110100> Torikun: It's okay. I had nothing on it, I just finished setting it up. :) No biggie.
[18:51] <Torikun> After living in Asia for 4 years, it hit me hard!
[18:51] <xrosnight> TAFB: nope
[18:51] <Torikun> tb01110100: you got a backup image?
[18:51] <IT_Sean> lets keep the porn talk clean, fellas.
[18:52] <TAFB> xrosnight: It's when (usually white) guys dig asian girls :)
[18:52] <Torikun> lol
[18:52] <TAFB> IT_Sean: lol
[18:52] <IT_Sean> oooohkay TAFB
[18:52] <tb01110100> Torikun: It's okay, there was nothing on the card. No biggie. :)
[18:52] <megaproxy> i am bored of reddit today
[18:52] <tb01110100> I just won't update next time.
[18:52] <megaproxy> slashdot just confuses me.. and pintrest is for women
[18:52] <megaproxy> what the hell happened to the internet... when did it just become reddit :(
[18:52] <xrosnight> TAFB: is that kind of racial
[18:53] <rymate1234> 4chan is good
[18:53] <megaproxy> 4chan is bad at work
[18:53] <megaproxy> its too risky
[18:53] <rymate1234> just need to wade through all the crap
[18:53] <rymate1234> megaproxy, good point
[18:53] <rymate1234> uh
[18:53] <rymate1234> 9GAG
[18:53] <herdingcat> Belaf, booting?
[18:53] <megaproxy> 9gag is reddits mortal enimy
[18:53] <megaproxy> i shall not go to that horrible place :D
[18:53] <herdingcat> Belaf, you mean traditional cluster or rpi?
[18:54] <timmmaaaayyy> those using znc???..how do you get scrollback working?
[18:54] <megaproxy> there is a setting..
[18:54] <megaproxy> 2 secs
[18:54] <rymate1234> timmmaaaayyy, enable it in the config
[18:54] <rymate1234> I use the webadmin
[18:54] <timmmaaaayyy> me too
[18:54] <tb01110100> Torikun: Is there a way I can temporarily hold back the kernel updates, but let everything else update?
[18:55] <timmmaaaayyy> savebuff?
[18:55] <Torikun> probably not on arch
[18:55] <Torikun> tb01110100: you got a previous backup image?
[18:55] <megaproxy> timmmaaaayyy, global settings> Maximum Buffer Size:
[18:55] <TAFB> Torikun: there is a way, you need to install kernel.fake or something, then it won'tupdate kernel.
[18:55] <tb01110100> Torikun: No, but it's okay. :)
[18:55] <megaproxy> i think..
[18:55] <Torikun> tb01110100: your at a catch 22 there lol
[18:55] <tb01110100> Torikun: I'll just reflash the img to the card...
[18:55] <Torikun> it sucks
[18:55] <Torikun> tb01110100: but how will you update lol
[18:55] <timmmaaaayyy> max buffer size is 500???.but when i connect i only see new stuff
[18:55] <Torikun> just install the packages with pacman and prey they do not require a kernel update
[18:56] <tb01110100> Torikun: Mind telling me what a catch 22 is?...
[18:56] <Torikun> tb01110100: damed if you do , damed if you don't
[18:56] <tb01110100> Torikun: NM...
[18:56] <tb01110100> Bye!
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[19:06] <The_ManU_212> hi
[19:07] <The_ManU_212> i always get the error (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted, when starting a xserver as user and as root, waht to do, tried to configure some hdmi options in /boot/config.txt, xserver with fbdev-module is installed and loading, i get this message and a blank screen, have to kill the xserver then
[19:07] <herdingcat> Belaf, ?
[19:07] <The_ManU_212> it works on raspbmc and openelec for rpi
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[19:16] <Hopsy> will this work on my raspberrypi? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
[19:17] <IT_Sean> Um... it won't, most likely.
[19:18] <sesam111> Anyone got any sucess in playin BD-iso?
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[19:22] <sraue> The_ManU_212, openelec and raspbmc and xbian dont use xorg
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[19:24] <The_ManU_212> sraue: interesting and in which way start they a graphical environment?
[19:24] <The_ManU_212> i just want to start up xbmc
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[19:24] <sraue> The_ManU_212, its done via the framebuffer
[19:24] <sraue> like any bootsplash etc is done
[19:25] <The_ManU_212> sraue: and what do i need to get this working?
[19:25] <The_ManU_212> is there any advatage to use a xserver?
[19:25] <sraue> basically dont start xorg, but only xbmc
[19:26] <The_ManU_212> sraue: then i get a chrashlog
[19:26] <The_ManU_212> because of no screens
[19:26] <sraue> how you have compiled xbmc?
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[19:28] <The_ManU_212> sraue: i dont have, i use archlinux arm for raspberry pi and there is a special xbmc version for this port
[19:28] <phenom> Anyone hear anything about the sensitivity of RPI and static shock? I have purchased 3 PI's and 2 of them are bad and I'm out of ideas. I tested the voltages from the directions of a user here and he said the capacitive voltage was too high on one of them.
[19:29] <phenom> I do remember clearly a couple times where I shocked the hell out of them.
[19:29] * herdingcat is now known as herdingcat|zzz
[19:29] <phenom> Don't remember which boards were shocked though.
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[19:30] <phenom> I've so far paid $100 for one PI. :/
[19:30] <Belaf> herdingcat: ops, sorry, I was having dinner :)
[19:30] <|Jeroen|> why 100 ?
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[19:31] <phenom> |Jeroen|: I bought 3, only one works.
[19:31] <|Jeroen|> huh
[19:31] <Belaf> herdingcat: what I meant is: are you going to use some form of network boot, in order to distribute the os on all the boards?
[19:31] <phenom> 2 boards give sd corruption within 10 minutes of boot, regardless of sd media, with fresh install and no OC.
[19:32] <|Jeroen|> that sucks
[19:32] <phenom> I'm skuured to get another one.
[19:34] <Belaf> herdingcat: or is each board booting from its own sd card? It must be a lot of work to make changes to each one.
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[19:44] <sesam111> The_ManU_212: why archlinux for xbmc? mo
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[19:47] <pecorade> Hi.
[19:49] <The_ManU_212> sesam111: because i like it in general and i need a very uptodate distribution (also upgrading firmware via repositories) because there is a bug with usb and tv tuner and it seems to be fixed (workaround) in current firmware/kernel drivers
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[19:52] <sesam111> The_ManU_212: aha, i just got mine today and i'm not that sure what distro im gonna use yet. I mainly want it for xbmc, but as i've got a production-company working in the tv-reality buisness i hope to have some other uses for it.
[19:53] <|Jeroen|> spy cam maby
[19:53] <|Jeroen|> openelec works nice fort xbmc by the way
[19:53] * The_ManU_212 thinks Jennifer Ringley 2.0
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[19:54] <The_ManU_212> |Jeroen|: yeah for using it without tv
[19:55] <|Jeroen|> dunno, don't use pvr
[19:55] <sesam111> |Jeroen|: nice spy-cam =)
[19:55] <sesam111> openelec it is then...
[19:56] <rymate1234> I use standard raspbian for xbmc
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[19:57] <The_ManU_212> how do you start xbmc? is tehre just a textmode tty you run xbmc and tehre starts a grphical environment 1920x1080 containing xbmc with mouse support?
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[19:57] <The_ManU_212> is this all managed by xbmc or is tehre something like a xserver?
[19:57] <rymate1234> all managed by xbmc
[19:57] <rymate1234> afaik you type "xbmc" into a tty
[19:58] <The_ManU_212> rymate1234: so you just type xbmc after a login prompt?
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[19:58] <rymate1234> ye after you logged in
[19:58] <The_ManU_212> rymate1234: can you test it?
[19:58] <rymate1234> The_ManU_212, nope
[19:58] <rymate1234> because I uninstalled xbmc to save space
[19:58] <rymate1234> :D
[19:58] <The_ManU_212> rymate1234: is there a script? what for a xbmc build is it?
[19:58] <rymate1234> I might be able to find it
[19:58] <sesam111> is any of the distros better, i mean which is the smallest and fastest one?
[19:58] <The_ManU_212> rymate1234: but then can you tell me the build version, type?
[19:59] <rymate1234> Look here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12455
[19:59] <The_ManU_212> sesam111: i tested openelec, raspbmc and arch and arch is the fastest definetly
[20:00] <sesam111> The_ManU_212: ok thx for the info
[20:00] <The_ManU_212> sesam111: also alarm (archlinuxarm) comes with a very basic install
[20:00] <The_ManU_212> so it uses only that space you want it to use
[20:01] <The_ManU_212> :D
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[20:01] <sesam111> The_ManU_212: i've used arch in the past year so i've have some experience with it, but is there a ready iso to download or do i have to compile it?
[20:02] <sesam111> just read what u said, =)
[20:02] <The_ManU_212> sesam111: the easiest installation without script, just downlaoding a raw img and then dd to your sdcard
[20:02] <sesam111> aha thx
[20:03] <The_ManU_212> the other ones come with crazy partition scripts in python or so dunno why
[20:03] <|Jeroen|> yeah i also tried arch, and its easy , but i had no keyb mouse in X and been to lazzy to solve it
[20:04] <The_ManU_212> |Jeroen|: i think you missed some xf86-input packages for mouse and keyboard, X11 configures all automatically if drivers are there
[20:04] <|Jeroen|> no i did install those
[20:04] <The_ManU_212> hm :/
[20:04] <|Jeroen|> but i didn't create any config
[20:04] <The_ManU_212> you dont need to on a desktop machine
[20:04] <sesam111> as long as you have the time for arch, its really nice to have a custom linux with only the essentials i need.
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[20:05] <The_ManU_212> i need less time than with other distributions for maintenece but you have to learn long and hard
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[20:05] <|Jeroen|> well i normaly use gentoo, but its a bit to much to compile everything on the pi
[20:05] <The_ManU_212> and sometimes you get annoying things like this fbdev error
[20:05] <The_ManU_212> i dont like gentoo because of thzat compiling stuff takes to long i think binary is better
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[20:06] <The_ManU_212> arch is based on i686+ and its fast on 32bit
[20:06] <sesam111> gentoo...a real timesaver =)
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[20:07] <TobiasTheViking> i'm trying to figure out if i can disable power out (for charging a device, etc) on the usb port of the pi.
[20:07] <IT_Sean> what?
[20:07] <TobiasTheViking> i have an extension cord with a usb plug, that automatically turns off when the plug is disconnected(or the machine poers off).
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[20:07] <IT_Sean> you want data connected, but not power?
[20:08] <TobiasTheViking> i'd like to turn it on and off in software(ie, tell linux to not give any power on the usb port)
[20:08] <IT_Sean> it's not soffware controllable.
[20:08] <TobiasTheViking> *meh*, dont' care about data, that can be disconnected as well
[20:08] <IT_Sean> If the pi is powered up, the usb ports have power.
[20:08] <TobiasTheViking> oki. guess i should stop my google search then.
[20:08] <TobiasTheViking> thanks.
[20:08] <IT_Sean> No prob, bob.
[20:09] <TobiasTheViking> didn't want to waste my time on a dead end.
[20:09] <TobiasTheViking> i've literally only wasted 7 minutes on this. so really, thanks :)
[20:09] <IT_Sean> That's the nature of USB in general, im afraid.
[20:09] <IT_Sean> No problem, glad to help.
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[20:10] <TobiasTheViking> guess i could just cut the usb cord and put a switch on it.
[20:10] <TobiasTheViking> or do that on the power plug.
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[20:24] <audiodef> Does anyone think the Pi's CPU is powerful enough to handle speech-to-text?
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[20:37] <FrankBlues> Any suggestions for a lightweight picture viewer for raspbian?
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[20:39] <sraue> FrankBlues, not tried byself on RPi but: http://plugable.com/2009/12/24/fbi-linux-framebuffer-imageviewer uses the framebuffer and dont need xorg...
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[20:40] <FrankBlues> Something under X is fine, something similar to the old xv would be great -- I'm considering using the pi as a daily driver.
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[20:46] <audiodef> FrankBlues: I use gqview for a lightweight pic viewer, though I haven't tried it on my Pi.
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[20:47] <marl_scot> whats the best window system to use on a 256 pi? am looking for something that is lean and fast, with no bells and whistles :)
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[20:48] <marl_scot> its going to be used via vnc for remote access
[20:48] <FrankBlues> I'm using WindowMaker, it's fast and pretty.
[20:48] <FrankBlues> I don't know if fvwm or twm are still around, but they are very lightweight.
[20:51] <marl_scot> thanks FrankBlues both are in the repo, so will have a look at them
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> fvwm changed into fvwm2 about 6 or 7 years ago - I was still using it until about a year ago.
[20:52] <aikiraichu> can i solder a 9v batter connector to a daisy chain of LEDs and have them work?
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[20:53] <Kane> poy all
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, I don't think xv handles progressing jpg's, does it? that's why I stopped using it all those years ago.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, I use 'display' now - part of imagemagick ...
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> aikiraichu, yes..... you need to work out the right number of LEDs and a small resistor is still recommended.
[20:54] <aikiraichu> i was planning on making a chain of IR LEDs for an NV camera
[20:55] <FrankBlues> gordonDrogon, not sure - I've got xv installed on my Octane (running IRIX) and have not had problems opening files.
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[20:56] <FrankBlues> I'm trying xzgv right now, seems to work fairly well.
[20:56] <TAFB> installed Arch linux in a VirtualBox VM on my i7 beast. Gonna run some benchmarks, see how she does :)
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, ah, maybe it was updated after I stopped using it.
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[20:56] <shapr> hrm, for $150 I can buy a Freescale i.MX53 board with 1GB of RAM so I can build Raspberry Pi debs for all the Haskell packages.
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> FrankBlues, I always had to compile it though - it's not a debian package..
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[21:01] <TomWij> |Jeroen|: You can use distcc for that, I'm running Gentoo on the Rapsberry Pi and am not bothered by the compilation.
[21:02] <|Jeroen|> TomWij, yeah i know maby il try that one day
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[21:02] <|Jeroen|> i did try a gentoo on it, worked nice
[21:03] <|Jeroen|> had it setup with nfs root
[21:03] <shapr> Has anyone tried sshfs or nfs mounting swap space?
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> Gosh. I have xv again.
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> shapr, eek. don't network mount swap.
[21:04] <shapr> gordonDrogon: I'd rather not wear out my sdhc card
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[21:04] <gordonDrogon> shapr, you're not going to.
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[21:05] <shapr> and I can't find either an external usb drive, or external power for my usb<->sata adaptor.
[21:05] <|Jeroen|> don't think nfs would be slower then sdhc
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[21:06] <xarxer> Is anyone here running Archlinux ARM?
[21:07] <TomWij> xarxer: We've just talked about that, so yes; some people running Gentoo here as well.
[21:07] <TomWij> Basically, as long as it supports ARM you should be able to run any distro.
[21:07] <|Jeroen|> TomWij, did you also run xbmc on that gentoo ?
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[21:07] <xarxer> I have a question regarding Arch linux ARM, but I'm asking in #archlinux-arm first :)
[21:08] <TomWij> Yes, playback is extremely smooth.
[21:08] <TomWij> And if it were not, I would apply some real-time patches.
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[21:09] <|Jeroen|> and no setup probs?
[21:09] <TomWij> Nope.
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[21:10] <|Jeroen|> ok i will try it again then
[21:10] <TomWij> If you need help, feel free to ping me.
[21:10] <|Jeroen|> ok thx
[21:10] <|Jeroen|> well im pretty good at gentoo, been using it since version < 1.0
[21:11] <TomWij> Getting the base up and running takes a bit longer, but once you have all the basic libs and dependencies the rest is reasonable.
[21:11] <|Jeroen|> i have tryed a lot of distro's but always end back at gentoo
[21:12] <TomWij> Yeah, it comes at a cost but gives you a ton of benefits; so handy to easily set up your own ebuilds and patches and have more control.
[21:13] <shapr> I always end up back at Debian.
[21:13] <shapr> But it's good people know what they like :-)
[21:13] <|Jeroen|> it is :-p
[21:13] <TomWij> Although for people that don't really develop or have no real interest in customizing things, any binary distro should do well enough.
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[21:14] <|Jeroen|> yeah i don't know if the preformance gain of gentoo has any effect on the pi
[21:14] <frikinz> I like customizing things, just not my OS
[21:14] <frikinz> I don't have the time for it
[21:15] <TomWij> frikinz: Nobody said "OS" here, it's also or even more about the software you run on it.
[21:15] <frikinz> libtool is giving me headaches with my cross build env
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[21:15] <shapr> libtool gives everyone headaches :-)
[21:15] <davyde84> hi folks
[21:16] <TomWij> |Jeroen|: I think it does yield a slight bit more performance if you spent time on it.
[21:16] <frikinz> It doesn't want to build a shared lib so it does a static one and goes on. 3 packages later (2h compiling), I realize the mess
[21:17] <davyde84> i'm using raspbmc and i have kernel 3.6.11, i have also a usb dvb stick and i found that i should use kernel 3.7 someone can tell me where i can get it and how to install?
[21:17] <TomWij> frikinz: Well, you're making it hard on yourself by going for a static one.
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[21:18] <TomWij> s/spent/spend/
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[21:19] <frikinz> TomWij: not me! libtool doesn't stop if it fails, it thinks ah let's do a static lib and proceed. I can't do a static one, the caller expects shared libs.
[21:19] <TomWij> davyde84: Close the 3.6.11 Raspberry Pi kernel port, then add the Kernel git as a remote and rebase the Raspberry Pi changes on top of a 3.7 tag.
[21:20] <TomWij> Clone*
[21:20] <TomWij> frikinz: Hmm, weird, didn't experience problems with that so far. It even sounds like a bug that way... :(
[21:21] <frikinz> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libtool/2011-06/msg00025.html . Haven't read all but looks similar.
[21:21] <davyde84> TomWij: ok is there a guide step by step somewhere? with links ? eheheh
[21:21] <TomWij> davyde84: That's all assuming there aren't branches on the Raspberry Pi kernel GitHub for 3.7.
[21:21] <frikinz> --disable-static
[21:22] <davyde84> TomWij: are you telling me that doesn't exist a kernel 3.7?
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[21:22] <frikinz> Isn't qemu supposed to have hardware acceleration with a kernel module?
[21:22] <TomWij> davyde84: If you don't have Git, you will want to get that first. Then `git clone git://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git` and checkout the rpi-3.6y branch (`git checkout rpi-3.6y` I think). Then find guides on how to add a remote and how to rebase on a remote.
[21:23] <TomWij> davyde84: Not yet, I think the Raspberry Pi Foundation aims to apply their changes on top of "stable enough" kernels before proceeding to a next version.
[21:24] <TomWij> That's why they did a jump from 3.2 --> 3.6, and I expect the following jump to be something like 3.6 --> 3.9 or when lucky maybe something along the lines of 3.6 --> 3.8 if there is a speedup (but not likely).
[21:24] <frikinz> not mentionning qemu segfaulting 1/3 of times I use msgmerge. known bug since 3 years, seems tricky to solve
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[21:27] <plugwash> if they are GOING to jump releases they should at least jump from one long term stable release to the next
[21:27] <plugwash> rather than jumping from a long term stable release to a non long term stable release and failing to update before it goes end of life
[21:28] <rikkib> IMHO the people working on the RPi kernel are morons.
[21:29] <rikkib> ASB in particular
[21:29] <davyde84> TomWij: http://palosaari.fi/linux/ in this site i've found my usb stick and i write to that guy he said that my usb stick should works with kernel 3.7 but he doesn't know anything else and try to ask to raspberry folks :P
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[21:31] <TAFB> new chart! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2013-01-02-Sandisk_Extreme_SSD_RAID0_test.png
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[21:33] <rikkib> Pretty chart... What it all means escapes me. Nonetheless you are a busy boy playing with your RPi.
[21:34] <TAFB> rikkib: it's just read/write speed. The Pi wouldn't even show up on the graph, so I took it off. that test is vs. my seagate home box with single SSD against my i7 computer with 4 x SSD in raid 0 :)
[21:34] * rikkib is starting to get a little disillusioned with the RPi and trying to use it as a camera server.
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[21:35] <TAFB> rikkib: Pi's make great camera servers :)
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[21:36] <rikkib> Not really but the issue is not with the RPi rather the availability of good cams
[21:36] <rikkib> For $150USD you can buy a WDR outdoor IP Cam
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[21:39] <FR^2> rikkib: What issues do you have? I'm curious because I'd like to try that out, too.
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[21:41] <rikkib> The UVC Video driver is broken in the current kernel meaning I have to run an old kernel which does not support the 512 board
[21:42] <rikkib> Web cams do not work in full sunlight (Outdoors) without a filter (Sunglasses)
[21:42] * boru is now known as boru|off
[21:42] <rikkib> Resolution of 320x240 is to poor
[21:43] <rikkib> Look for yourself http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[21:43] <FR^2> What software are you using to stream that?
[21:43] <rikkib> $16 inc shipping for the cam running atm
[21:44] <rikkib> Motion on both machines
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[21:45] <rikkib> Gateway runs motion but configed to take in the stream from the internal RPi
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[21:46] <rikkib> Cam has a perspex dark filter in from of it
[21:46] <rikkib> front
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[21:49] <frikinz> rikkib: You don't have permission to access / on this server.
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[21:49] <frikinz> restricted to
[21:49] <rikkib> bad isp in my block list no doubt
[21:50] <rikkib> hmmm
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[21:52] <rikkib> Can't see anything in the logs
[21:54] <rikkib> blocked I see
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[21:54] <rikkib> Hang on I will remove the block
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[21:55] <sesam111> just wanna say thx for pointing me in the arch direction, didnt know that before. Just installed it and now im using yaourt to install xbmc...excited.
[21:57] <Torikun> can you get it to compile sesam111
[21:57] <Torikun> I had issues last time
[21:57] <rikkib> removed
[21:57] <sesam111> Torikun, in the process right now. I will let u know soon
[21:57] <frikinz> rikkib: Ok I see the gate :)
[21:57] <Torikun> k
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[21:58] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[21:58] <frikinz> back to libtool for me :/
[21:58] <sesam111> Torikun:did u update before u compiled it?
[21:59] <rikkib> FR-PROXAD-ADSL bad reputation
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[21:59] <frikinz> rikkib: Yeah, we are crackers
[21:59] <rikkib> Botnet issues from memory
[22:00] * rikkib breakfast time
[22:00] <Torikun> do not update
[22:00] <Torikun> there is a kernel issue that will brick your PI
[22:00] <Torikun> Do not upgrade to the latest kernel
[22:01] <confusid> rikkib: how do you have your cam setup? Are you using motion? I have not been able to get a 2nd cam working at all.. :/
[22:01] <Torikun> sesam111: avoid kernel updates for a few weeks lol
[22:02] <sesam111> Torikun: it still works for me. have rebooted and still works
[22:02] <Torikun> ext4?
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[22:03] <sesam111> Torikun: nope
[22:03] <Torikun> good
[22:03] <Torikun> the bug is with ext4
[22:03] <clear`> seems each time i restart the pi i get a new ip, any way to make the ip stay the same?
[22:03] <Torikun> what distro clear`
[22:03] <sesam111> aha thx for the heads up though
[22:04] <linuxstb> clear`: Either configure the Pi to have a static IP, or configure your router's DHCP server to always give your Pi the same IP.
[22:04] <clear`> raspbian
[22:04] <Torikun> can you set it on the router like linuxstb said?
[22:05] <clear`> will want to config pi to have the static ip
[22:05] <clear`> hmm
[22:05] <clear`> let me check
[22:05] <Torikun> I prefer that way
[22:05] <clear`> that would be the easiest option
[22:05] <Torikun> easier
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[22:07] <clear`> i dont see that option in my router ;\
[22:07] <Torikun> what router
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[22:08] <Ademan> I want to access the serial console of my raspberry pi from windows. Does anyone have a suggestion for that? It seems that windows doesn't recognize serial over USB? A quick google wasn't very helpful but it's possible I missed some docs
[22:08] <clear`> e3000
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[22:09] <clear`> googling now
[22:09] <pksato> Ademan: install driver?
[22:09] <viric> Ademan: there is no serial console in the microusb, afaik
[22:09] <mrmoney2012> over clocked - any way to see how fast the processor is running live
[22:10] <mrmoney2012> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Bogo <- that reports 697
[22:10] <clear`> i think i found it
[22:10] <clear`> dhcp reservations
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[22:13] <Ademan> viric: really? I could have sworn I had that working when I first installed raspbian
[22:13] <Ademan> however I am having no luck even on linux right now so maybe I'm crazy and/or it needs to be enabled
[22:14] <viric> maybe I'm wrong
[22:14] <viric> but I thought the rule was "don't connect the microusb to a computer usb port"
[22:15] <Ademan> viric: heh well that's no good cause I've broken that one more than a few times...
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[22:15] <mgottschlag> microusb <-> computer works fine - but only for charging
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[22:15] <mgottschlag> the serial console is on the gpio header
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[22:16] <Ademan> mgottschlag: that sounds right to me, but I have no idea why I think I did this successfully :-/
[22:18] <viric> mgottschlag: charging what?
[22:18] <mgottschlag> oh
[22:18] <Ademan> anyways, I've got to head back to work
[22:18] <mgottschlag> well, power -.-
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[22:22] <Ademan> I have an openelec SD card and a raspbian SD card... neither is labeled... What should uname -a look like for openelec and raspbian?
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[22:23] <Ademan> Well at the very least this is debian based and has raspbian sources in its sources.list
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[22:25] <Ademan> nevermind, it became really clear when I loaded up the other SD card that it was openelec
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[22:26] <Orb> Hi all.
[22:26] <clear`> i need to get openelec working
[22:26] <clear`> hi Orb
[22:27] <Orb> hi clear`
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[22:28] <Ademan> clear`: What's not working about it? There's an installer available for the raspberry pi at openelec
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[22:29] <linuxstb> Ademan: An installer? I thought they just gave the raw files?
[22:30] <frikinz> On raspbian, why are libraries in (/usr)/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf ?
[22:31] <higuita> that is the ARCH of rpi!
[22:31] <clear`> Ademan: installer for linux?
[22:31] <frikinz> higuita: why not in /usr/lib and /lib ?
[22:31] <clear`> each time i use the windows installer it does nothing
[22:32] <frikinz> ah multiarch maybe?
[22:32] <linuxstb> clear`: For Linux, you just run the included create_sdcard.sh script. Very simple.
[22:32] <higuita> frikinz: that is a LSB think, the separated ARCH enables multiarch compiling and usage of special and optimized libs
[22:34] <frikinz> LSB doesn't mention this. I mean the current one from 2004
[22:34] <higuita> i may be wrong :)
[22:35] <frikinz> ok, proposed general solution chapter. no you're correct thanks higuita
[22:35] <higuita> i read something about multiarch that refereced that, but i cant remember exactly where
[22:38] <frikinz> I wonder what this implies on an old package. what I should modify for libtool and so that installs goes there. some prefix maybe but how to inject in debian toolchain is the question
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[22:46] <timmmaaaayyy> vcgencmd version says i'm on version 337601 (release)???.is that the newest?
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[22:47] <plugwash> frikinz, http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
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[22:48] <plugwash> note that libraries only need to go in the new directories if it is desired they be paralell installable on multiple architectures
[22:48] <plugwash> *for multiple architectures
[22:49] <plugwash> so you probablly don't need to modify your packages unless you specifically want that paralell installability in a multiarch environment
[22:49] <frikinz> plugwash: thanks. Yes. I won't support multiarch.
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[22:50] <frikinz> plugwash: so I only need to know how to pass the -L /usr/lib/arm* and /lib/arm* to my dpkg-buildpackage. Didn't want to do heavy modification to the package itself
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[22:51] <plugwash> afaict you shouldn't need to pass any -L options, the toolchain should know where to find libraries for the current architecture
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[22:52] <audiodef> I just got a "no space left on device" error even though it's only at 50% use. What should I do?
[22:52] <plugwash> (assuming it's a debian/raspbian one)
[22:52] <frikinz> plugwash: agreed. Its raspbian rootfs
[22:52] <frikinz> plugwash: and actually only this, I just moved qemu-static inside. Stopped using a crossbuild
[22:53] <plugwash> audiodef what is the output of df and df -i ?
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[22:53] <audiodef> plugwash: Aha, free space, but inodes are at 100%. How would I fix that?
[22:54] <frikinz> Have to look again at libtool "logic"
[22:57] <plugwash> no easy soloution unfortunately :(
[22:57] <audiodef> plugwash: How about a difficult solution? ;-)
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[22:58] <plugwash> the ext family of filesystems can't change the ratio of inodes to filesystem size once the filesystem is created.
[22:58] <plugwash> so afaict there are three possible soloutions
[22:58] <plugwash> 1: move the filesystem to a bigger device and expand it (giving you more inodes at the same ratio)
[22:59] <plugwash> 2: backup the contents of the filesystem, reformat it with a different ratio of inodes to filesystem size and then restore the backup
[22:59] <plugwash> 3: convert the filesystem to btrfs
[23:00] <audiodef> plugwash: You mean this? https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
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[23:00] <plugwash> yes that is what I mean when I say btrfs
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[23:01] <audiodef> plugwash: Cool. I see I could actually covert it in-place. I'm going to check that out. Thanks for the tip. :-)
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[23:03] <mgottschlag> btrfs has serious problems with many small files though afaik (exactly the scenario which would cause inode shortage on ext*)
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[23:04] <mgottschlag> I don't exactly remember why and how, but it would quickly fill the disk with metadata
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[23:11] <plugwash> from some reading it seems btrfs will inline very small files in the metadata
[23:12] <plugwash> which is good and bad, it avoids wasted space due to files being much smaller than a block but it also means if the filesystem's policy to store more copies of metadata than data (which AIUI it is by default) you can end up with extra copies of the data
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[23:15] <plugwash> still the usual disclaimer applies, btrfs is pretty new, if it breaks you keep the peices
[23:16] <plugwash> and i'm not sure if the standard foundation kernel has btrfs support or not
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[23:21] <ParkerR_> NOOOOOOOOO D:
[23:22] <ParkerR_> The micro to normal HDMI adapter finally came but isn't working on the lapdock
[23:22] <ParkerR_> And I can't return it because I already shaved it down to get it to fit
[23:22] <ParkerR_> :(
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[23:25] <ParkerR_> Set the hdmi_group to 2 hdmi_mode to 86
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[23:25] <ParkerR_> Just says no signal on the lapdock
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[23:46] <ParkerR_> Anybody else had troubles getting it to work with their lapdock or do I jut have a faulty adapter?
[23:46] <ParkerR_> *just
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[23:51] <ryushe> So I set my correct timezone via tzselect (UTC+1). However, desktop and 'date' still show UTC time, any ideas?
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[23:52] <progme> Hello. I am researching wifi dongles for the pi. I would like to get a 5ghz n. Any suggestions?
[23:54] <frikinz> ryushe: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ?
[23:54] <ryushe> I'll give that a shot
[23:54] <ryushe> thanks
[23:54] <frikinz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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[23:57] <akulbe> progme: I'm told the Edimax EW-7811Un works... and I have it, but I haven't had time to get it set up yet.
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[23:57] <progme> akulbe: orly
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[23:57] <progme> well... set it up and let me know how it goes :P
[23:58] <progme> i'll wait
[23:58] <akulbe> yeah. right. :)
[23:58] <akulbe> it's not going to happen this week.
[23:58] <frikinz> progme: you'll need a usb hub I think
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[23:59] <progme> frikinz: why would i need a hub?
[23:59] <progme> can't i just plug it into one of the 2?

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