#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-03

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[0:00] <ParkerR_> You can on some
[0:00] <ParkerR_> If they don't pull too much power
[0:01] <progme> ah
[0:01] <progme> that's why
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[0:03] <ParkerR_> Like my adpater draws too much power and will crash the Pi if I insert it while it is on, but works just fine if I plug it on first then boot up
[0:03] <ParkerR_> *plug it in
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[0:14] <bs123> ParkerR_ what power supply?
[0:14] <bs123> what mA?
[0:14] <ParkerR_> bs123, 5v 2A
[0:15] <bs123> wow
[0:15] <bs123> still can't feed it eh
[0:15] <ParkerR_> Well just the initial insertion draws too much
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[0:15] <bs123> yeah i suppose
[0:15] <ParkerR_> Works fine other than that
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[0:16] <ParkerR_> Nice not having to lug around a router and ethernet cord
[0:16] <bs123> yeah
[0:16] <bs123> i bet
[0:16] <bs123> i have one on order...wifi adapter
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[0:18] <bs123> this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180092
[0:18] <bs123> uses realtek 8188
[0:18] <bs123> what chip in yours ParkerR_
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[0:20] <ParkerR_> "N150: Some versions reported as Realtek RTL8188CUS device. Read Micronet entry above and use RTL8188CUS script for installation. Works best plugged into powered USB hub."
[0:20] <ParkerR_> Little Netgear one
[0:20] <bs123> yeah..i have script for it...the idiots script
[0:20] <ParkerR_> Yep same chip
[0:20] <bs123> heh
[0:20] <bs123> nice
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[0:22] <ParkerR_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122421
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[0:23] <ParkerR_> Was $24 in store so all in all not bad
[0:24] <ParkerR_> bs123, Kinda neat to see how much the brand markup is. Same chip but $13 more for the Netgear
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[0:25] <shapr> I found some weird behavior on my Pi. When I plugin or disconnect the usb wifi widget, it drops the ethernet connection as well. Is there any way to change that?
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[0:26] <ParkerR_> shapr, It probably just draws too much power for a split second
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[0:26] <ParkerR_> Powered hub would be pretty much the only way
[0:26] <shapr> ParkerR_: I got http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166052 for $10, too bad it's not around anymore.
[0:27] <ParkerR_> Nice
[0:27] <shapr> It works well.
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[0:27] <ParkerR_> Mine works great too. I use wicd-curses to connect to what I have to
[0:27] <ParkerR_> No need to mess with wpasupplicant
[0:28] <shapr> I still don't have it working with wpa-roam yet though, dunno what's up with that :-(
[0:28] <ParkerR_> shapr, What is wpa-roam?
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[0:29] <shapr> It lets me connect to any open wifi access point.
[0:29] <ParkerR_> Ahh nice
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[0:30] <ParkerR_> I wonder why it's called wpa-roam then XD
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[0:31] <rikkib> wireless protocol application for roaming
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[0:31] <ParkerR_> Ahh
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[0:32] <shapr> ParkerR_: It's one of the modes for wpa_supplicant
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[0:33] <rikkib> sniff the dns, spoof the mac address and onwz da network :)
[0:33] <frikinz> Isn't wpa-roam the default mode in raspbian? I had nothing to do
[0:34] <shapr> I don't know, I poked at my wpa_supplicant.conf before I tried the default settings, should I go back?
[0:35] <frikinz> normally in this file, you should only add stanzas with your networks. I use wpa_passphrase to add them
[0:35] <frikinz> ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev
[0:35] <frikinz> update_config=1
[0:35] <frikinz> network={
[0:35] <frikinz> etc..
[0:35] <frikinz> }
[0:35] <shapr> What did you put into your /etc/network/interfaces?
[0:36] <frikinz> allow-hotplug wlan0
[0:36] <frikinz> iface wlan0 inet manual
[0:36] <frikinz> wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[0:36] <frikinz> iface default inet dhcp
[0:36] <frikinz> not mentionning lo and eth0
[0:37] <frikinz> that's a simple setup: on all my essid I use dhcp
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[0:38] * shapr checks his interfaces file
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[0:47] <Datalink> hm, does anyone know if the SD port on the Pi is read via MMC or SPI?
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[0:57] <TomWij> Datalink: It creates /dev/mmc* entries on the RPi itself, so I assume that to be MMC.
[0:57] <Datalink> ok, thanks
[0:58] <pksato> Datalink: RPi dont access MMC card.
[0:58] <KiltedPi> Okay you electronics nerds! I need to know if i've got a 1kOhm resistor in this resistor pack. How do I do that?
[0:58] <Datalink> MMC is the SD card protocol, they use either SPI or MMC protocol
[0:58] * KiltedPi has tried googling the brand/pack
[0:58] <TomWij> `dmesg | grep -Ei 'mmc|spi'` only yields MMC related log information, nothing contains SPI.
[0:58] <Datalink> KiltedPi, brown brown black
[0:59] <KiltedPi> S001 Resistors Widerstande
[0:59] <Datalink> the last one will be either gold or silver
[0:59] <KiltedPi> brown brown black?
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[0:59] <KiltedPi> What about the 'main' colour
[0:59] <KiltedPi> on the resistor, i've pale and green ones
[0:59] <TomWij> KiltedPi: Learn how to read / write the color codes of a resistor, because this sounds confusing.
[1:00] <TomWij> The only other option I consider when reading your text is that you can't see all the resistors and opening it would disallow you from bringing it back.
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[1:00] <Datalink> those are both used for casing, it's just the type of plastic they use, also I was incorrect, brown black yellow
[1:00] <Zarek_> KiltedPi: the colour of the actual body of the resistor is irrelevant, it's just the stripes
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[1:00] <TomWij> (You should tell us so, and probably figure out by the product specification what it contains)
[1:00] <KiltedPi> Ah! thanks guys
[1:01] <KiltedPi> Yeah. No specification Tom.
[1:01] <Datalink> http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/resistorcolorcode.gif
[1:01] <shapr> KiltedPi: http://www.the12volt.com/resistors/resistors.asp
[1:01] * KiltedPi has tried googling
[1:01] <KiltedPi> Brilliant!
[1:01] <Datalink> brown black is '10' while yellow is 'thousand'
[1:01] <Datalink> so brown black yellow, then probably silver or gold, depending on the percentage rating of the resistor, most hobyist kits come with gold, which is 10% resistors
[1:02] <Datalink> correction, 5% what the hell is with me today
[1:02] <Datalink> sorry for the initial wrong values KiltedPi, it's been about 4 years since I had to do heavy resistor identification
[1:02] <KiltedPi> I'm a total hardware noob. hehe
[1:02] <InControl> can always double check using a multimeter
[1:03] <KiltedPi> Got it
[1:03] <KiltedPi> Yeah, its got gold on it
[1:03] <Datalink> a good idea anywya, to make sure it's still within spec
[1:03] <KiltedPi> Hard to tell if the blue is black tho, isn't it?
[1:03] <KiltedPi> Such a tiny wee guy.
[1:03] <shapr> How do I get the temperature of my Pi's CPU?
[1:03] <KiltedPi> Worst comes to worst, this LED won't light.
[1:03] <Datalink> uh... usually you can tell in good light
[1:03] <KiltedPi> shapr, what OS you using?
[1:03] <shapr> Does it uses lm_sensors or acpi or what?
[1:04] <shapr> KiltedPi: I'm using raspbian on my Pi
[1:04] <Datalink> lm_sensors I believe
[1:04] <TomWij> Datalink: Brown Black Yellow is 100K, +/-5%, don't you want Brown Black Red which is 1K?
[1:05] <InControl> if you are just lighting an LED then you could use pretty 470, 560, 680 if you don't have a 1k
[1:05] <shapr> I'm using debian/wheezy for x86_64 on my laptop, but debian/wheezy for armhf on my Pi!
[1:05] <Datalink> TomWij, he's looking for 10K, so I'm apparently off again, that'd make it brown, black, orange
[1:05] <frikinz> shapr: find /sys -name temp | xargs cat # that does it on my kernel
[1:05] <TomWij> Datalink: No, he isn't.
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[1:05] <TomWij> KiltedPi | Okay you electronics nerds! I need to know if i've got a 1kOhm resistor in this resistor pack. How do I do that?
[1:05] <TomWij> 1kOhm = 1k Ohm = 1k
[1:05] <Datalink> .....
[1:06] * Datalink just gives up
[1:06] <InControl> 1k is Brown Black Red
[1:06] <Datalink> I've been having one of those 'special' bad days
[1:06] <TomWij> KiltedPi: ^ Use this color code, the other one is too strong.
[1:07] <TomWij> Datalink: Well yeah, guess we can be glad you only suggest stronger resistors. :D
[1:07] <Datalink> KiltedPi, yeah, brown black red gold, will be what you want
[1:07] <Datalink> TomWij, yeah, a dim LED is better than a blown one :P
[1:07] <Datalink> still, jeeze, today's been going bad all over, I prefer not to make mistakes that'd be related to other people's stuff...
[1:08] <Datalink> better to only fry your own hardware, yaknow?
[1:08] <InControl> You probably wouldn't even damage the LED if you made the mistake of uing 100R (Brown Black Brown)
[1:08] <InControl> but the one you want is Brown Black Red :)
[1:08] <Datalink> I'd be paranoid about the PI's IO, since it's unprotected
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[1:09] <LordH3lment> ah
[1:09] <LordH3lment> there we go
[1:10] <TomWij> InControl: There's been a document about people running it without, so having half a resistor would still not really damage it much in the short run. I also read that it's more likely to affect the Raspberry Pi than the LED (short circuit, barely any resistance).
[1:10] <LordH3lment> good day all, so i picked up a pi and have it up and working, minus audio output through analog. I have a set of speakers hooked up. and get a clicking sound i have loaded the mod for sound. and sudo amixer cset numid=3 1 and, like i said when i try to play a sound from term i get a click noise when it starts and one when it ends. but no sound other then that
[1:11] <InControl> You can quite happily use any of the following '330??, 390??, 470??, 560??, 680??, 820??' without any problem.
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[1:11] <TomWij> Although while you can do it to some extent, the rule is that you really shouldn't (or only with bits). Same rules apply to overclocking, ...
[1:11] <piney> i was never good with the color codes, and that's about the only thing i like about smd devices is that resistor codes are easier for me to understand.
[1:12] <Datalink> LordH3lment, are you using HDMI or analog video out?
[1:12] <LordH3lment> am i just missing something stupid?
[1:12] <LordH3lment> HDMI
[1:13] <LordH3lment> this is what i followed http://mitchtech.net/raspberry-pi-audio/
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[1:14] <LordH3lment> can you not do both?
[1:14] <sesam111> So what do u guys use the RPI for?
[1:14] <bs123> hdmi for audio LordH3lment?
[1:14] <bs123> or just video
[1:15] <TomWij> LordH3lment: Just `sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835` with an empty config (no special HDMI related options, unless you need them in order to obtain HDMI at all) did the job for me.
[1:15] <LordH3lment> bs123: i want to use analog for audio. the speaker jack.
[1:15] <LordH3lment> TomWij: yea i have done that
[1:15] <LordH3lment> TomWij: and the mod is loaded
[1:15] <TomWij> LordH3lment: Oh, for analog, did you do the `sudo amixer cset numid=3 1`?
[1:16] <LordH3lment> TomWij: yes sir
[1:16] <LordH3lment> sudo amixer cset numid=3 1
[1:16] <LordH3lment> is what i ran
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[1:16] <LordH3lment> and then aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
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[1:16] <TomWij> Haven't yet tried analog myself, so can't really tell. :(
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[1:16] <pksato> LordH3lment: alsamixer
[1:16] <LordH3lment> and all i get is a click when it starts, and a click when it ends
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[1:17] <TomWij> LordH3lment: Sounds like it is muted / volume is down, try what pksato said and bump it up. :D
[1:17] <TomWij> (M toggles mute, up/down arrow to change volume)
[1:17] <sesam111> So what do u guys use the RPI for?
[1:17] <LordH3lment> pksato: you sir are a magician :) never even thought of it
[1:17] <TomWij> Or was it the Enter key that toggles mute? Hmm...
[1:18] <LordH3lment> what is the alsa store cmd?
[1:18] <aphadke> hello - has anyone gotten Quartz or Transparency skins to work with the latest RC for raspbmc?
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[1:18] <TomWij> sesam111: FTP to access my external drive (since I don't always want to attach it to my laptop, lets me more freely use my laptop around the house) and XBMC for family for now.
[1:18] <KiltedPi> Hey sesam
[1:19] <KiltedPi> I am using it in my local towns youth club
[1:19] <KiltedPi> To get kids excited about electronics and programming!
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[1:19] <sesam111> TomWij: isnt XBMC kinda slow on raspberry pi? the interface at least
[1:19] <TomWij> sesam111: There are tweaks for the interface, runs fine enough.
[1:20] <KiltedPi> I'm using my kids wee yun Andy as a test subject just now. (He's eight)
[1:20] <LordH3lment> ok that worked guys. what is one of the better audio players to use on debian for the pi?
[1:20] <higuita> sesam111: update the OS, update the firmware
[1:20] <sesam111> KiltedPi: that sounds good, getting the kids to like electronics
[1:20] <TomWij> And it does smooth Full HD without stutter, so definitely worth it.
[1:20] <KiltedPi> Its surprising how excited they get
[1:20] <KiltedPi> Brings me back to the eighties
[1:20] <sesam111> which distro is best for xbmc
[1:20] <TomWij> (At least does that on my custom Gentoo build, YMMV depending on what you run)
[1:20] <KiltedPi> When I was playing on my commodore 64
[1:20] <sesam111> KiltedPi: same here =)
[1:21] <sesam111> KiltedPi: my grandfathers fault though, he were an inventor
[1:21] <KiltedPi> If you decide to get a kid one, ready your camera phone, Andy was so excited when I showed him the Pi
[1:21] <aphadke> sesam111: i like raspbmc
[1:21] <KiltedPi> Even more so when I told him it was a fully working computer
[1:21] <KiltedPi> I wish I'd filmed him when I told him
[1:21] <KiltedPi> He was over the moon!
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[1:22] <sesam111> TomWij: gentoo takes some time to get installed/compiled though, and you have to know very much too
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[1:23] <TomWij> KiltedPi: It's funny how you get different responses from different people, I had one throw a "of course it can" at me. :(
[1:23] <sesam111> KiltedPi: ah, u should have.
[1:23] <KiltedPi> I'm sticking with Raspbian/wheezy as a teaching aid, I'm nervous about introducing him to programming
[1:23] <sesam111> KiltedPi: how old is he?
[1:23] <TomWij> sesam111: True, although I obliterate that time with distcc.
[1:23] <LordH3lment> anyone? good audio player for wheezy?
[1:23] <KiltedPi> Tom, he was so happy about it. I don't know whether my excitement was rubbing off on him?
[1:23] <KiltedPi> 8 years!
[1:23] <sesam111> aphadke: is it fast=
[1:23] <KiltedPi> I thought he was older!
[1:23] <KiltedPi> We are building the OWI robotic arm
[1:23] <KiltedPi> At the moment.
[1:24] <aphadke> sesam111: yup, no complaints so far
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[1:24] <sesam111> KiltedPi: an robotic arm? at the age of 8? niiiice
[1:24] <KiltedPi> A wee cheap 100g lifting load robot arm. Basically a 13 years+ toy
[1:24] <KiltedPi> Its a great device to start with, everything is very modular I've found
[1:24] <sesam111> aphadke: maybe i'll try that tomorrow
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[1:24] <KiltedPi> No idea about audio players for wheezy/raspbian
[1:25] <sesam111> KiltedPi: then again, my 2 yearold uses the ipad to play games =)
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[1:25] * KiltedPi 's magic eight ball says "Ask again late"
[1:25] <KiltedPi> r*
[1:25] <KiltedPi> Yeah hehehe
[1:25] <KiltedPi> sesam-
[1:25] <KiltedPi> I've found they don't get excited about the distance factor-
[1:26] <KiltedPi> Like "I'm chatting with someone from Australia!"
[1:26] <sesam111> KiltedPi: soon he'll be using the arduino board =) or maybe he allready does?
[1:26] <KiltedPi> They are like "PFT! Whatever."
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[1:26] <KiltedPi> Nope. We're both new to electronics, but the arduino might be on the cards sure.
[1:26] <KiltedPi> I've programmed software, a bit of java and C
[1:26] <KiltedPi> html etc.
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[1:27] <sesam111> KiltedPi: i wish i had the time for diggin more into electronics...too much work...
[1:27] <TomWij> sesam111: Last geeky thing I did was program a countdown to new year on my phone (TouchDevelop), since my phone is correctly NTP synced, I was quite bothered by the people counting down to new year a minute too early. >_<
[1:27] <sesam111> KiltedPi: u work as a programmer too?
[1:28] <sesam111> TomWij: hehe nice
[1:28] <KiltedPi> I studied Software Development, but I've recently gone back to school to do a CCNA
[1:28] <TomWij> So yeah, the first one with a wrong clock that starts to yell the countdown numbers decides when it ends up being new year...
[1:28] <sesam111> KiltedPi: CCNA? sorry im from sweden =)
[1:28] <TomWij> And everyone ended up counting along.
[1:28] <shapr> sesam111: det betyder Cisco Certified Network Associate
[1:28] <shapr> sesam111: Hi! I'm from Alabama, USA!
[1:29] <KiltedPi> Cisco yeah
[1:29] <sesam111> TomWij: niice =)
[1:29] <sesam111> shapr: hehe tack
[1:29] <sesam111> aha Cisco..
[1:30] <sesam111> shapr: u used google translate? =)
[1:30] <shapr> No, I learned Swedish while living in Boden for five years.
[1:30] <sesam111> shapr: not the most crowded place on earth though
[1:31] <shapr> Det var kanske f??rmycket kalt i Boden... och det finns inte s?? mycket jobbar med programmering.
[1:31] <sesam111> shapr: why boden?
[1:31] <shapr> sesam111: true that, not so many people that close to the arctic circle
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[1:31] <shapr> sesam111: I met a woman... (five years removed from this story) and then I move back the USA.
[1:31] <sesam111> shapr: not the ladies anyway..
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[1:32] <sesam111> shapr: aha
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[1:33] <shapr> sesam111: So how did you end up in Sweden? ;-)
[1:33] <sesam111> shapr: My wife and two kids...oh and i was born here =)
[1:33] <shapr> Oh, that's a good reason!
[1:34] <sesam111> shapr: so u work as a programmer?
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[1:36] <Macer> hm. is there a way to netboot the pi?
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[1:36] <Macer> using an image or something from a server?
[1:36] <shapr> Macer: if you mean PXE booting, I haven't heard of anything. I just write raspbian to a card and plug in the card and plug the Pi into ethernet.
[1:37] <shapr> sesam111: Yup, I did five years of Plone/Zope consulting for EU projects when I lived in Sweden
[1:37] <shapr> sesam111: What's your work?
[1:37] <Macer> shapr: yes
[1:38] <Macer> i was hoping to use a pi as a web server but didn't want to use an SD
[1:38] <shapr> Macer: looks like there's a forum thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5842
[1:38] <sesam111> shapr: I own a post-production company that does a lot a tv-shows here in sweden. Programmed in what language?
[1:38] <Macer> and i don't want to hook a usb drive up to it either
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[1:38] <shapr> Macer: what about booting off a usb drive?
[1:38] <shapr> oh
[1:38] <Macer> heh
[1:39] <Macer> yeah... i want to put it on top of my nas and boot from an image on the nas
[1:39] <shapr> sesam111: I've used Java,Python and Haskell for most of my professional career.
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[1:39] <Macer> that way i have the redundancy
[1:39] <sesam111> Macer: that would be nice as hell if you could boot from a PXE.
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[1:39] <Macer> that it would
[1:40] <sesam111> shapr: nice, constant studying?
[1:40] <sesam111> Macer: u have more than one RPI?
[1:40] <Macer> the synology nas i have is absolutely horrible at running services heh.. it keeps giving me rough io wa%
[1:40] <Macer> sesam111: yes.. i have 3
[1:40] <sesam111> Macer: yeah the synology is kinda slow aswell...
[1:40] <shapr> sesam111: More like constant fun, I enjoy learning new programming languages. It's the same thing as buying a Raspberry Pi and figuring out what nifty projects I can do with it.
[1:41] <comradekingu> could install debian on the synology
[1:41] <sesam111> Macer: then i understand the PXE =)
[1:41] <Macer> sesam111: well.. i think the biggest bottleneck is the ram
[1:41] <shapr> My current project is to see how much of a smartphone I can replace with a Raspberry Pi and a usb wifi connection.
[1:41] <Macer> synoloyg ds411j only has 128MB
[1:41] <ParkerR_> Heh my eyesight is crap http://i.imgur.com/p5Dnz.png
[1:42] <sesam111> shapr: then you're in the right buisness..same here, love my work, constantly trying to improve workflow.
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[1:42] <shapr> So far I can check gmail and google voice sms messages from my jacket pocket :-)
[1:43] <shapr> Next I want to add notifications for twitter replies and direct messages.
[1:43] <sesam111> Macer: i have the same synology, i should have studied more before i bought it. today i would build my own...
[1:44] <sesam111> shaper: nice
[1:45] <sesam111> shaper: but why do u want to replace the smartphone? or is it just for the heck of it?
[1:45] <shapr> Vad betyder synology? Jag vet det ord inte?
[1:45] <shapr> sesam111: I've gone back to school to get my undergrad CS degree, so I can't really afford a phone+contract and it's a fun challenge to see if I can replace it with $75 worth of hardware
[1:46] <shapr> sesam111: what are you doing with the Raspberry Pi?
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[1:46] <sesam111> shapr, det ??r ett namn p?? ett f??retag som tillverkar NAS:er. typ som HP
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[1:46] <shapr> jas??, tack
[1:47] <Macer> sesam111: for the most part it gets the job done
[1:47] <Macer> but i tried running apache and wordpress on it and it got completely bogged down
[1:48] <Macer> probably because it has the run apache, wordpress, while using mysqld
[1:48] <sesam111> shapr: jag vet inte ??n vad jag ska g??ra, har precis provat att k??ra arch linux vilket fungerade fint, men det ??r en del petande innan det lirar som jag vill. s?? jag installerade openelec ist??llet vilket var v??ldigt tr??gt. s?? jag vet inte ??n vad jag ska hitta p?? med den =)
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[1:49] <shapr> I like that approach, start installing stuff to see what you'll end up doing with it :-)
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[1:50] <sesam111> well, im off to bed. its two in the morning here, and i have to get up early. nice talking to u guys
[1:50] <shapr> godnatt!
[1:50] <sesam111> godnatt =)
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[1:50] <Macer> i suppose one way of doing it would be to mount a swap so the SD wouldn't get trashed
[1:50] <Macer> but that would seriously slow down the pi :)
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[1:55] <Macer> this synology is ridiculous with its wa%
[1:55] <Macer> i can't figure out why it goes so slow for the web site
[1:56] <Macer> or why the hardware keeps giving me such awful io
[1:56] <Macer> Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 5.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 91.5%wa, 1.0%hi, 2.0%si, 0.0%st
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[1:58] <tb01110100> Arch Linux hangs on boot with the message: Internal error: Oops - undefined instruction: 0 [#1] PREEMPT
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[2:35] <KiltedPi> Hey, where is the ground in this test diagram? : http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv158/NightsBane666/ledtestdiagram_zps3560a8dc.png
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[2:35] <KiltedPi> I'm terrible with electronics. Just wondered how the part trailing 'right' went on a physical circuit
[2:35] <SpeedEvil> 0v is typically ground
[2:35] <TAFB> looks like 11 is + and 6 is ground
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> ground is a lie
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> it is a name applied to a specific node or voltage level in a circuit.
[2:37] <TAFB> why do you need a resistor, isn't the gpio output 3v? or is it 5?
[2:37] <KiltedPi> So, when I'm making the physical circuit-
[2:37] <KiltedPi> Oh, the resistor is to protect the pi no?
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> it has no physical reality, and it can be convenient in some cases to regard it as different voltages
[2:37] <SpeedEvil> yes
[2:37] <KiltedPi> In case I wire neg/pos wrong?
[2:37] <pksato> resistor is to protect led.
[2:37] <KiltedPi> Ah!
[2:37] <KiltedPi> Who cares about LEDS hehehe
[2:37] <KiltedPi> :)
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> no, to limit the current flowing to the led, and protect both the led, and the pi
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> the pi shouldn't have more than 10ma drawn per pin
[2:38] <KiltedPi> So theres no actual 'ground' bit?
[2:38] <KiltedPi> Neat.
[2:39] <KiltedPi> I wanted the completely simplest LED test circuit I could get
[2:39] <KiltedPi> I'm showing a kid after all!
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[2:39] <KiltedPi> There were ones with zener diodes and all sorts online
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> a resistor, and a led
[2:39] <KiltedPi> yeah
[2:39] <KiltedPi> Ain't gonna get simpler than that!
[2:40] <KiltedPi> The challenge for him will be when he adds the switch
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[2:40] <SpeedEvil> led connected to '0v', and resistor from the other pin to the gpio
[2:40] <KiltedPi> Where to put it and things.
[2:40] <KiltedPi> Ah, thats the other thing actually
[2:40] <KiltedPi> I don't have a connector
[2:40] <KiltedPi> for GPIO
[2:41] <KiltedPi> I read a wee thing about chopping up old IDE cables from computers
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[2:41] <SpeedEvil> that works
[2:41] <KiltedPi> Is it just to get the pins?
[2:41] <pksato> 40pin IDE cable or 34pin floppy cable.
[2:41] <KiltedPi> I've bought wiring and croc clips
[2:41] <KiltedPi> not sure. Want me to find the link, pksato?
[2:41] <KiltedPi> oh.
[2:42] <KiltedPi> In fact- it was in the magpi
[2:42] <pksato> dont use croc, it can short circuit, nad burn pi.
[2:42] <KiltedPi> how do I connect my wiring to the IDE pins I butcher out?
[2:42] <KiltedPi> Solder?
[2:43] <pksato> breadboard.
[2:43] <KiltedPi> Nah, no breadboards!
[2:43] <KiltedPi> I'm wanting him to see the barest circuits I can make
[2:43] <shapr> yow
[2:43] <shapr> KiltedPi: wirewrap! :-)
[2:43] <KiltedPi> A breadboard will confuse him, I'm sure. He won't see the function behind it
[2:43] <KiltedPi> wirewrap? :)
[2:44] <KiltedPi> oh!
[2:44] <shapr> It's a really old school way to build circuits.
[2:44] <pksato> him? or you? :)
[2:44] <KiltedPi> Wrap it round the connecting pin?
[2:44] <shapr> If you have a wire-wrap tool, it's a nice way to skip soldering and still get a good connection.
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[2:45] <KiltedPi> Him. I don't like the idea of explaining something that 'organises'
[2:45] <KiltedPi> I want him to 'get' the circuit. so he can see the diagram
[2:45] <KiltedPi> and go "I get it"
[2:46] <KiltedPi> hmmm... I think I'll stick with solder and wire and I'll dig out these IDE cables tommorrow morning
[2:46] <pksato> KiltedPi: some diagrams are draw breadboard connections.
[2:47] <KiltedPi> in the magpi?
[2:48] <pksato> and others.
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[2:48] <Hodapp> It's not just old-school; wire-wrap is actually more rugged for a lot of cases where solder is too brittle.
[2:48] <KiltedPi> I can re-create a circuit, I've next to no experience with them, but I know I can do it
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[2:49] <KiltedPi> A bread board is just peripheral yeah?
[2:50] <pksato> http://dx.com/p/solderless-breadboard-with-400-tie-point-white-121534
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[2:51] <KiltedPi> I don't follow pksato. :S
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[2:52] <KiltedPi> its the connectors, as in the 'pins' I was wondering about
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[2:53] <KiltedPi> I read in the magpi- You can chop up old IDE's you see
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[2:53] <KiltedPi> If you don't wanna buy some
[2:53] <KiltedPi> the 'pins'
[2:53] <KiltedPi> They slide right into the GPIO
[2:53] <plugwash> probablly easier and more reliable to leave the ribbon cable in the connctor and then cut and join it to your own wires
[2:54] <plugwash> than trying to attach your own wires to the connector directly
[2:54] <KiltedPi> What are the IDE's like, physically? Can you seperate them easily?
[2:54] <KiltedPi> I remember them being 24 wires or something
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[2:54] <pksato> KiltedPi: never see inside a pre sata computer?
[2:55] <KiltedPi> Hah! You got me :)
[2:55] <pksato> best way to explain is to show some photo.
[2:55] <plugwash> ribbon cable wires at least the conventional ones are pretty easy to seperate
[2:55] <KiltedPi> I'm not really into hardware
[2:55] <Datalink> big ribbons
[2:55] <KiltedPi> I'm a software programmer, and computer networked you see
[2:56] <plugwash> you DON'T want one of the newer 80 wire (but still only 40 pin...) IDE cables, they have strange wiring and tiny wires
[2:56] <KiltedPi> Could I get a stanley knife
[2:56] <KiltedPi> And seperate em that way?
[2:56] <KiltedPi> Ach!
[2:56] <KiltedPi> I'll dig out the magpi
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[2:56] <KiltedPi> And read how they did it.
[2:56] <KiltedPi> Its a neat trick tho
[2:57] <Datalink> splitting them is risky, there are some newer cables which bundle the wire, but it's considered only good for half the length or less... but benefits airflow
[2:57] <pksato> ide like cable can find very cheap (free) on "friends" computer shop service.
[2:57] <Datalink> usually we'd fold them to go where we want with IDE
[2:57] <Datalink> I have 2 ribbon cables for my Pi, got one as part of an old electronic device I took apart, the other came with my PI breakout kit
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[3:02] <pksato> 25 wires flat and 26pin header http://imageshack.us/a/img819/3074/ppcable00.jpg
[3:03] <pksato> 26/26 http://imageshack.us/a/img341/677/cable26vias.jpg
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[3:04] <pksato> and I use last to make this interface http://imageshack.us/a/img526/4088/rpigpiobreadxyz01.jpg
[3:04] <UnaClocker> Guess I'm pretty well committed to RaspBMC, sold my AppleTV today.. :)
[3:05] <TAFB> UnaClocker! Congrats! What other iProducts do you own? Time to jump ship.
[3:05] <UnaClocker> 3 MacBook Airs, an iPad1, 3 iPod4's, 2 iPhone4's, 3 Hackintoshes...
[3:05] <UnaClocker> I live the iLife.. ;)
[3:06] <TAFB> yikes. lol.
[3:06] <UnaClocker> And I still have 2 more AppleTV's...
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[3:06] <TAFB> I just got my first iDevice the other day, took me 2 hours to download and install 1 app for it (Harry's Lap Timer Pro) :)
[3:06] <UnaClocker> Oh, and the iPod Nano that fits in a watch band (I use it as a watch, mostly)..
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[3:08] <KiltedPi> Link for the magpi issue 3 : http://issuu.com/themagpi/docs/the_magpi_issue_3_final?mode=window <---somewhere in the middle is that neat thing about making a data connector for a pi out an old IDE cable
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[3:08] <KiltedPi> right! nte
[3:08] <KiltedPi> nite*
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[3:51] <monkeymon> disconnect
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[4:01] <brady2600> no disconnect
[4:01] <brady2600> no disassemble
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[4:03] <shapr> brady2600: charlie number 5?
[4:05] <brady2600> johnny 5 is alive
[4:05] * dr_willis unplugs johnny 5
[4:06] * dr_willis plugs in lola 9
[4:06] <brady2600> pewwwwwwwwww
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[4:08] <brady2600> masa is delicious
[4:09] <dr_willis> err.. thats like corn mush? ;)
[4:09] <brady2600> well, when fried in oil
[4:09] <brady2600> corn mush made from masa and beer
[4:09] <brady2600> add beer to anything it gets better
[4:09] <brady2600> fry till golden brown, even better
[4:09] <dr_willis> add beer to your beer!
[4:09] <brady2600> add salt even better
[4:10] <brady2600> add hot sauce even better
[4:10] <dr_willis> pakano bread crumbs
[4:10] <brady2600> i like that on fish
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[4:11] <brady2600> brb internet
[4:12] <mdszy_> I've had a bit of an idea for my Rpi
[4:12] <mdszy_> a bit of a syncing station
[4:13] <mdszy_> where I plug my devices into it, my phone, Kindle, &c.
[4:13] <mdszy_> and it does whatever it needs to -- depending on the device -- to sync / back up, probably to another computer
[4:13] <mdszy_> What do you guys thing?
[4:13] * mdszy_ is now known as mdszy
[4:15] <mdszy> *think
[4:16] <brady2600> sounds good
[4:16] <brady2600> build it and they will sync
[4:16] <mdszy> heh
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[4:25] <imperfect-> Howdy
[4:25] <imperfect-> Just got my pi
[4:25] <imperfect-> woot!
[4:25] <mdszy> nice!
[4:25] <imperfect-> What's the first thing I should do?!
[4:25] <imperfect-> I've got debian on it
[4:25] <imperfect-> and im ssh'd into a colo right now
[4:26] <mdszy> You could make it into a little media center computer
[4:26] <mdszy> with XBMC
[4:26] <TAFB> or a web/email server with wheezy and pancake + php
[4:26] <TAFB> or arch + nginx plus php (for advanced linux users, lol)
[4:26] <mdszy> that too!
[4:26] <mdszy> Arch is awesome!
[4:26] <TAFB> i love arch
[4:26] <TAFB> so fast
[4:26] <TAFB> no frills
[4:26] <TAFB> just business :)
[4:26] * mdszy is currently backing up his RPi so he can install Arch on it
[4:27] <mdszy> I love how I can just make a clone of the SD card and then load that clone back on when I want to go back to that OS setup
[4:27] <mdszy> only thing is: each clone file is like 16GB, the size of the SD card :v
[4:27] <TAFB> mdszy: there's some issues with the new kernel and booting off EXT4 partitions, you either need to move your kernel to EXT3 partition, or don't do the kernel update.
[4:27] <imperfect-> I'm thinking I want to use it for a drop network analyuzer
[4:27] <imperfect-> plug in a USB ethernet adapter
[4:27] <mdszy> TAFB, ahh
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[4:27] <imperfect-> one for mgmt one for capture
[4:27] <mdszy> And that's why I don't use Arch as my main OS
[4:28] <TAFB> mdszy: lucky only 16gb, I gotta image my entire 120gb ssd every time, lucky it only takes 20 mins ;)
[4:28] <imperfect-> only problem with that idea is the shared usb buss
[4:28] <mdszy> TAFB, lucky! XD
[4:28] <TAFB> lol
[4:28] <mdszy> Copied 11GB of my SD card so far
[4:28] <imperfect-> I've got a 32gb card around here somewhere
[4:28] <mdszy> and TAFB, that's why I don't like Arch as my main OS: I don't like having to fix it every time I update XD
[4:28] <imperfect-> And I can't find it
[4:28] <imperfect-> I'm rocking on 8gb tho
[4:28] <mdszy> nice
[4:29] <TAFB> I'm hooked on SSD's, I just put four of them in my desktop computer, running Arch in VirtualBox, check out the speeds, 1.5GB/sec! lol http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2013-01-02-Sandisk_Extreme_SSD_RAID0_test.png
[4:29] <mdszy> I coulda probably made it work with a 2-4GB, but I went with a $9 16GB from Amazon
[4:29] <imperfect-> I've got a retina MBP that has SSD
[4:29] <Dagger2> mdszy: if the size or the speed is a problem, you could pull just the files off with tar (and then compress the resulting tarball)
[4:29] <imperfect-> well two of them
[4:29] <imperfect-> and my windows box has SSD
[4:29] <TAFB> nice
[4:29] <TAFB> I heart SSD
[4:29] <imperfect-> I spent 1k on the one in my windows box
[4:29] <imperfect-> but that was last year
[4:29] * TAFB is now known as TAFB_ssd
[4:29] <mdszy> Dagger2, nah, that's not any problem at all, just a minor niggle
[4:30] <imperfect-> when they were 1k for 512
[4:30] <Dagger2> although I definitely appreciate that an image dump is a bit easier to set up
[4:30] <mdszy> Dagger2, I like having a thing I can fully boot up a fll image dump
[4:30] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[4:30] <mdszy> however, Dagger2, will tarring the image dump afterwards make it significantly smaller?
[4:30] <mdszy> I'm guessing it would
[4:30] <TAFB_ssd> mdszy: it'll make it WAY smaller, most is empty space :)
[4:30] <imperfect-> brb
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[4:31] <dr_willis> theres ways to zero unaused space - then archiveing/tar to save space
[4:31] <TAFB_ssd> mdszy: you can dd it right to in image.gzip file, on the fly!
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[4:31] <mdszy> TAFB_ssd, so I can just do dd if=img.gzip of=/dev/sdc and it'll work? I don't have to unzip first?
[4:31] <imperfect-> And now I'm here from the pi itself
[4:31] <imperfect-> wu-mofoin-tang
[4:31] <mdszy> I think I might be misunderstanding you
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[4:31] <TAFB_ssd> mdszy: no, you have to pipe it through gzip
[4:31] <TAFB_ssd> i think I got the command, one sec.
[4:32] <Dagger2> mdszy: tarring it would do nothing, but compressing it would save some space
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[4:32] <mdszy> Dagger2, tar cf image.img is what I want, right?
[4:32] <Dagger2> but unless you zero unused space on your SD card first, a gzipped tarball of files is always going to be smaller than a gzipped image dump
[4:32] <mdszy> I haven't ever done much compressing before
[4:32] <TAFB_ssd> you have to run this command under SU, sudo doesn't work: dd if=/dev/sda2 bs=512k |gzip -9 > 2012-12-20-backup.img.gz
[4:33] <mdszy> ahh, okay
[4:33] <dr_willis> with sudo and tee it could work with sudo. ;)
[4:33] <TAFB_ssd> this would be run from inside a remote mounted folder of course, or change > to /mnt/remoteshare/image.img.gz
[4:33] <Dagger2> (because the image dump includes unused filesystem blocks that probably won't compress to nothing unless you do the zeroing step first)
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> don't zero write your SD card, kills it quick with unnecessary writes.
[4:34] <dr_willis> i forget the command to zero unused filesystem space
[4:34] <mdszy> TAFB_ssd, that's what I was thinking
[4:34] <imperfect-> So, they pins that are in various parts
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> fstrim? that one?
[4:34] <imperfect-> what are they really used for?
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> imperfect-: for controlling LED's, robots, LED displays, touch screens, etc.
[4:34] <TAFB_ssd> it's called the GPIO
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[4:35] <imperfect-> What about the other two?
[4:35] <mdszy> imperfect-, if you have the USB port pointing down, the pins at the top-right are GPIO pins for interacting with electronic components
[4:35] <Dagger2> I'd use something like `dd if=/dev/zero of=/zeros bs=1M & rm /zeros`... but if you're going to be doing it regularly, it'd be worth just getting a tar-based backup working, since that'd be far quicker per backup
[4:35] <Dagger2> er
[4:35] <mdszy> imperfect-, the one at the top center (with the weird plastic cover thing that comes partway off, but not entirely) and the one at the near-bottom-left (above the etherhet port, identical to the other) are for certain camera interfaces and LCDs
[4:35] <mdszy> I think
[4:36] <Dagger2> no, that's fine, s/er//
[4:36] <imperfect-> I see
[4:36] <imperfect-> I need to go to the raspberry PI store
[4:36] <imperfect-> Can you get a usable touch screen for it?
[4:36] <imperfect-> 7 inches or whatever?
[4:36] <TAFB_ssd> check adafruit for nice electronic projects kit.
[4:36] <TAFB_ssd> imperfect-: my friend has like 4" touchscreen on it
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[4:37] <imperfect-> TAFB_ssd: useable?
[4:37] <dr_willis> 2 inch touchscreen. ;)
[4:37] <imperfect-> I hear you need at least 5inches
[4:37] <dr_willis> 1in Oeled ;)
[4:37] <imperfect-> or she's going to be unhappy
[4:37] <imperfect-> oh wait
[4:37] <imperfect-> what are we talking about?
[4:37] <dr_willis> dependss on your neeeds i guess
[4:38] <imperfect-> I just like like there are a lot of possibilities here
[4:38] <mdszy> oh man, Adafruit seems awesome
[4:38] <mdszy> I'll have to check out some of that stuff at some point
[4:39] <imperfect-> I've got HP DL360 Server in the other room
[4:39] <imperfect-> 8 core with 32gig of ram
[4:39] <dr_willis> we need a portable hdmi screen+touchscreen with battery pack.. :) basically a android phone.. with no phone..
[4:39] <imperfect-> Too many linux boxes piling up
[4:40] <imperfect-> Oh hell yeah
[4:40] <imperfect-> IT HAS BOINC
[4:40] <imperfect-> SETI baby
[4:40] <mdszy> I'm a little worried about experimenting electronically with it, since I saw this one thing that showed so many super-simple ways to totally fry a RPi, just by bridging the wrong connections
[4:42] <imperfect-> It's like a cheaper apple TV if I put XBMC on it
[4:42] <dr_willis> been using xbian here
[4:42] <mdszy> holy crap
[4:42] <mdszy> my old backup image of archpi: 16GB
[4:42] <mdszy> gzipped: 1GB
[4:43] <dr_willis> ;)
[4:44] <dr_willis> now rar it!
[4:44] <mdszy> lol
[4:44] <mdszy> no thanks, I think this is good enough
[4:44] <mdszy> I don't want it to take three years for me to uncompress the things!
[4:44] <imperfect-> bzip2!
[4:44] <mdszy> lol
[4:45] <mdszy> I should also get another powered hub
[4:45] <dr_willis> testing out running a pi from a powered hub right now.
[4:45] <imperfect-> dr_willis: I can tell you it works fine
[4:45] <dr_willis> it booted at least and was running when i left it
[4:45] <imperfect-> dr_willis: we're talking on it
[4:45] <mdszy> dr_willis, I actually ran my Pi right from my laptop's USB port
[4:46] <dr_willis> its the wifex xbian machine. if it crashes she will let me know
[4:47] <piney> a living watchdog timer, nice! :)
[4:48] <dr_willis> she watches videos all day long.. so i told her shes testing it out.
[4:48] <dr_willis> had a few hang on her.. not sure if it ws the hd or the pi to blame.
[4:48] <dr_willis> trying a different hd now
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[4:49] <dr_willis> video would play for like 60 sec. then stop. xbmc was working.. just the video stoped.. she could to to the next vid. but seveal hung in a row.
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[4:49] <dr_willis> need to find the logs if any to see whatsa going on
[4:50] <mdszy> nice, now my backup folder is only 2GB, not 30!
[4:51] <dr_willis> now ypu can backup more abckups
[4:54] <mdszy> and I'm off to bed, goodnight all!
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[4:58] <imperfect-> So, what are the most compelling use cases for the po?
[4:58] <imperfect-> s/po/pi/
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[5:06] <dr_willis> i use mine as xbmc box/upnp servers/znc servee
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[5:13] <ParkerR_> XBMC and emulators here
[5:14] <Zarek_> mine's being used as a DHCP/TFTP/web server
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[5:17] <dr_willis> no one plays with scratch? ;)
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[5:28] <ParkerR_> dr_willis, Scratch?
[5:28] <dr_willis> that drag/drop programing tool with a cat mascot. ;)
[5:29] <dr_willis> was mentioned in a lot of the Pi Mags and the Pi book i have
[5:29] <dr_willis> i just played with it for like 5 min.
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[5:30] <Grievre> imperfect-: I'm using it to feed data to an array of microcontrollers
[5:30] <dr_willis> cant seem to find a port of it for android
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[5:40] <shapr> I like Scratch, I've used it to teach the basic ideas behind programming to lots of people.
[5:40] <shapr> I have it on my OLPC XOs, and I like to teach people how to make a basic and simple screensaver.
[5:40] <Zarek_> i just write stuff in python or ruby or c#
[5:41] <shapr> I do like Python, and C# is nice too. But some people have no idea how programming works at all.
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[5:44] <dr_willis> therre was some ruby beginner gui tool i recall a few years back.. but forget its name
[5:45] <dr_willis> similer in idea to scratch
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[6:27] <torgo> Can someone help me get ntpd working on Arch?
[6:29] <dr_willis> :) typical arch answer would be to say to check the arch wiki page on ntpd. they tend to be quite good
[6:29] <torgo> yeah i know
[6:29] <torgo> but i followed the directions and it doesn't work
[6:30] <dr_willis> the lack of a onboard clock may be an issue
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[6:31] <torgo> nvm it's working
[6:31] <torgo> just took a while
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[6:31] <dr_willis> :) magic
[6:31] <torgo> indeed
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[6:33] <clear`> nothing wrong with a little magic
[6:34] <dr_willis> evil magic! :) burn it!
[6:35] <clear`> lol
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[6:36] <clear`> dr_willis: done anything interesting with your pi recently?
[6:37] <dr_willis> just setting it as the wifes xbmc media box. its getting constant use for like 4 days straight
[6:38] <clear`> nice
[6:38] <dr_willis> she finds xbmcs playlist feature awkward to use
[6:38] <clear`> i need to get a remote for mine now
[6:38] <clear`> i havent used the playlist yet
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[6:39] <dr_willis> the samsung tv has aa easier to use playlist feature
[6:39] <dr_willis> i did find a web frontend. so i can make playlists for her
[6:40] <dr_willis> ordered one of those android xaso(?) things for testing also
[6:40] <clear`> very cool
[6:40] <clear`> saw news today that ubuntu will be coming to smartphones!
[6:41] <Zarek_> man the ubuntu smartphone stuff looks cool. want :P
[6:41] <clear`> yea, i hope i can run it on my htc inspire
[6:43] <dr_willis> ill belive it when i can get ahold of one
[6:43] <clear`> yea
[6:44] <clear`> i think it will be fun to play with tho
[6:44] <clear`> should be able to run everything
[6:45] <dr_willis> that remains to be seen. ;)
[6:45] <dr_willis> ive seen to many hyped products over the years
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[6:46] <dr_willis> ubuntu website had a silly countdown... to the anouncment... that they would show somthing... wow...
[6:46] <clear`> lol
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[6:46] <clear`> marketing
[6:47] <dr_willis> marketing would actually give out some info. :)
[6:47] <dr_willis> but i expect theres not a lot of real info to give out
[6:47] <clear`> sometimes
[6:47] <[deXter]> Hi all
[6:47] <clear`> if its quality, your get a bit of info
[6:47] <dr_willis> i hope its more then ubuntu in a vm on top of android
[6:47] <clear`> enough to make you drool a bit
[6:47] <bsd1101> they better give access to the kernel and shit. I want a truly open phone
[6:48] <[deXter]> how do I check the current CPU frequency of the Pi? It looks like /proc/cpuinfo only shows the base clock
[6:48] <dr_willis> we have that allready
[6:48] <dr_willis> i doubt if any phone will be truely open
[6:48] <bsd1101> I think the same thing, but hope I'm wrong
[6:48] <nickgaw> I bought two 32 GB sd cards for use with the raspberrypi should I be able to just dd one to another using two sd card writers?
[6:49] <dr_willis> nickgaw: should be able to
[6:49] <nickgaw> my 4 GB to the 32 GB then use raspi-config to resize the partition?
[6:49] <dr_willis> yep.
[6:49] <dr_willis> or use gparted
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[6:53] <nickgaw> If I removed X windows should the wireless drivers and utilities still be installed or are they X based?
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[6:54] <dr_willis> drivers are part of the kernel
[6:54] <dr_willis> x front ends should not remove thhem
[6:54] <dr_willis> wireless can be configured totally from the cli with the right tools
[6:55] <nickgaw> what is the usual method for configuring wireless if I know my network's name and key and as soon as the network starts up so it is on line as early as possible?
[6:55] <dr_willis> iwconfig command wnd that wpasupplicatt.conf file i belive
[6:56] <dr_willis> it starts up befor the gui starts here on rasbian
[6:57] <nickgaw> As I access my raspberrypi over ssh should I be able to configure the wireless information using the lan connection and then disconnect it to test out the wireless?
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[6:58] <dr_willis> ive done it that way. or enable wireless , connect wifi, ssh to the wifi ip
[6:58] <dr_willis> as a test. then unplug wired
[6:58] <dr_willis> xbianlets you ssh in over wired.. setup wifi. then unplug. ;)
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[6:59] <citanul> Whoa, hi
[6:59] <dr_willis> it has a little wireless wizard
[6:59] <dr_willis> for the shell
[6:59] <citanul> Has anyone ever done any phase control/dimming of fluorescent lamps?
[6:59] <Zarek_> arch should give you a wireless wizard (though i believe you need to install `dialog` first)
[6:59] <nickgaw> I am using raspbian.
[7:00] <dr_willis> i thought you needed special lamps to dim fluorescent ;)
[7:00] <citanul> Dammit.
[7:00] <citanul> maybe i should just buy an incandescent bulb or something.
[7:00] <citanul> I wanna voice control the lights on my room with a raspi.
[7:00] <dr_willis> or at least your not supposed to use dimmers on floresant bulbs
[7:01] <dr_willis> all on or all off. ;)
[7:01] <dr_willis> get a clapper!
[7:02] <dr_willis> hmm.. that would be a nifty pi project.
[7:02] <dr_willis> i got a lot of thst x-10 home automation stuff around
[7:03] <citanul> "I have an incandescent floor lamp and the Clapper works great with it. OTOH, another lamp is fitted with fluorescent bulbs, and the Clapper doesn't work at all. I called the manufacturer and only then was told that the Clapper will not work with a fluorescent fixture. Nowhere is that mentioned. Beware."
[7:03] <citanul> why are electronics so hard :(
[7:03] <dr_willis> weird.. since a clapper is on/off
[7:03] <dr_willis> or does yours dim?
[7:04] <citanul> I just read that review in amazon.
[7:04] <citanul> i still don't have anything
[7:04] <dr_willis> i have push button/remote lamp swiyches that do worh with floresant
[7:04] <citanul> I don't wanna throw my money away by not knowing what I'm doing... and that's why software is easier to mess around with.
[7:04] <nickgaw> is there an arch installer like raspbian has?
[7:05] <dr_willis> click on. click off. ;) no dimming
[7:05] <citanul> dimming would be cool though
[7:05] <citanul> I could just yell the intensity that I want
[7:05] <citanul> stupid AC
[7:05] <dr_willis> i got dimmer switches in 2 places in my house. not tried floresent bulbs in them
[7:06] <citanul> Should probably just buy incandescent light bulbs... if they're anywhere to be found nowadays?
[7:06] <dr_willis> i recall the florsent bulbs package saying. dont use with dimmer switches
[7:07] <dr_willis> they are trying to phase them out here.. but not sure if its going to happen soon in the usa
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[7:07] <citanul> some weird ballast thing lets you do it apparently
[7:07] <dr_willis> then theres speciality cases where florsent wont work
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[7:09] * citanul cries due to not being man enough to be an elecrical engineer
[7:09] <citanul> electrical
[7:09] <citanul> dammit
[7:10] <ParkerR_> Woohoo
[7:10] <ParkerR_> Got the Lapdock working
[7:10] <bsd1101> anyone else went all out and got this http://www.piholder.com/2-77-thickbox/raspberry-pi-case-with-raspberry-logo.jpg
[7:10] <ParkerR_> bschwab, TAFB_ssd did
[7:10] <ParkerR_> * bsd1101
[7:11] <dr_willis> bsd1101: id like detailed drawings and measurements. ;)
[7:11] <dr_willis> i got a mill and lots of metal
[7:11] <dr_willis> but i bet it would be cheaper for me to just buy one
[7:11] <ParkerR_> dr_willis, it's $60
[7:11] <bsd1101> I got it in my hands today......so damn sexy
[7:12] <dr_willis> id say it would take me more then 4 hrs to make
[7:12] <dr_willis> and i make over $30 an hr... ;)
[7:12] <dr_willis> i got 2 pic and like 4 cases allready ;)
[7:13] <dr_willis> 2 pis
[7:13] <citanul> screw it, I'm getting incandescent lightbulbs.
[7:13] <clear`> dr_willis: you have a cnc?
[7:13] <citanul> fancy
[7:13] <dr_willis> clear`: yes. and a wire edm ;) but i dont know how to use that... but my friend does
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[7:14] <clear`> cnc would be cool
[7:14] <citanul> raspi controlled CNC!?
[7:14] <dr_willis> and lots of white nylon to practice pn
[7:14] <citanul> Hahaha
[7:14] * TAFB_ssd is now known as TAFB_zzz
[7:14] <TAFB_zzz> nite nite peeps :)
[7:14] <dr_willis> cncs here run dos
[7:14] <clear`> make a mold of cases, send them off to a mold factory to be made in batches!
[7:15] <ParkerR_> TAFB_zzz, Like my random pings? :P
[7:15] <citanul> This channel and you people give me more faith in humanity
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[7:15] <dr_willis> i doubt if that one is molded.. most like milled from standard al bar stock
[7:15] <TAFB_zzz> i don't get notification of pings, nor do I ever check the logs
[7:15] <TAFB_zzz> if you need me, query me
[7:15] <TAFB_zzz> ParkerR_: I got a new raid array for my PC :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2013-01-02-Sandisk_Extreme_SSD_RAID0_test.png
[7:17] <TAFB_zzz> alright, off to bed. nite nite :)
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[7:18] <clear`> yea the metal ones are milled
[7:18] <clear`> but the blastic ones are molded
[7:19] <dr_willis> got a plastic one from amazon for $10 on sale. seems decent
[7:19] <dr_willis> better then my wooden case i whittled
[7:20] <clear`> lol
[7:20] <piney> there are some nice wooden cases out there
[7:20] <dr_willis> but now i have a case for measurements.. i can start milling my own
[7:20] <dr_willis> mine was a little wooden box and a xacto knife experiment
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[7:21] <nickgaw> what were those lamp things you were talking about what are they used for?
[7:21] <dr_willis> i cant plug/unplug stuff while its in the box.. too tight a fit
[7:21] <dr_willis> x10 on/off things? or the clapper. ;)
[7:21] <piney> http://www.raspberry-pi-case.net/ $38 + $10 shipping, but kinda cool
[7:21] <dr_willis> turn the lights on/off
[7:22] <nickgaw> like lights in your house?
[7:23] <dr_willis> yes
[7:23] <dr_willis> or other appliances
[7:23] <piney> nickgaw, it does lights, also certain appliances. I have an x10 appliance controller on my hot water heater for example
[7:23] <nickgaw> are they easy to connect to the raspberrypi?
[7:24] <dr_willis> i had my whole house x10 contrrrolled once
[7:24] <knoppies> dr_willis, why not anymore? Move house?
[7:24] <piney> nickgaw, x10 has it's drawbacks too
[7:24] <dr_willis> got married
[7:24] <dr_willis> wife got annoyed with ttthe lights going out on her
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[7:24] <dr_willis> ;)
[7:24] <nickgaw> is the device still made anymore?
[7:25] <dr_willis> theres dozens of home automation gizmos out
[7:25] <knoppies> dr_willis, ouch :(
[7:25] <knoppies> any that you would recommend?
[7:25] <dr_willis> x10.com used to spam ad/popup all over the place years ago
[7:25] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[7:25] <dr_willis> totally depends on your needs
[7:26] <clear`> dr_willis: the other day, was it you who was talking about guns?
[7:26] <dr_willis> clear`: not me.
[7:26] <dr_willis> i hate noise
[7:26] <dr_willis> ;)
[7:26] <clear`> lol
[7:27] <dr_willis> TAFB_zzz: has the gun fetish. ;)
[7:27] <clear`> oh gotcha
[7:27] <citanul> Should i bother with zero-cross switching for an incandescent bulb?
[7:28] <citanul> would just doing it randomly be fine? It produces electrical noise... ie high frequencies? I don't know how much of a problem that'd be
[7:29] <citanul> RF interference, surges.
[7:30] <citanul> Would it blow up the bulb if done wrong? I'll be coding everything, after all...
[7:30] <legitnick> I have a cc1111 usb dongle but the mini usb port broke off
[7:30] <legitnick> any way I can still use this with my pi?
[7:30] <nickgaw> what does it do?
[7:32] <legitnick> it's a sub ghz wireless transceiver
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[7:34] <ParkerR_> :D
[7:34] <ParkerR_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc1-kOtgdVw
[7:34] <ParkerR_> My Pi laptop
[7:35] <citanul> dr_willis: if i just do super high frequencies like 50kHz would it work for dimming? It'd be impossible to do zero-cross whatevering then. I just read something about switching relays at high frequencies... probably a bad idea..?
[7:35] <legitnick> nickgaw it's similar to this: http://www.ti.com/tool/cc1111emk868-915
[7:35] <citanul> awesome
[7:38] <dr_willis> citanul: no idea. ;) i dont do much with such things
[7:41] <citanul> ParkerR_: That's awesome
[7:41] <ParkerR_> Thanks
[7:42] <[deXter]> Hi all, how long does it take for the video licenses to arrive, on an average?
[7:42] <ParkerR_> Should be pretty soon
[7:43] <dr_willis> check your spam folder. ;)
[7:43] <ParkerR_> Afaik it's all done electronically
[7:46] <[deXter]> It's not in my spam folder :(
[7:46] <[deXter]> I got a confirmation email an hour ago
[7:46] <[deXter]> but the only thing it has are links to the pdf files
[7:46] <[deXter]> which is stupid
[7:47] <[deXter]> I mean they could as well just include the license key in there right
[7:47] <[deXter]> "MPEG-2 license key (Download Files) " <-- is so misleading.
[7:47] <ParkerR_> How so?
[7:47] <[deXter]> It implies the link is to download the license key
[7:48] <ParkerR_> Is it not?
[7:48] <[deXter]> No, it's just a PDF file
[7:48] <ParkerR_> Whats in the PDF file?
[7:48] <[deXter]> its' just a file that says that this is *not* the license key >_>
[7:48] <ParkerR_> Haha
[7:48] <ParkerR_> I have no clue
[7:48] <ParkerR_> Haven't needed to play any mpg2 files
[7:49] <[deXter]> Why make a whole PDF file out of it then for just one paragraph of information?
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[7:50] <dr_willis> 'this is not the key you are looking for'
[7:50] <dr_willis> ;)
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[7:59] <LaunchDirector> oh hi [deXter] , so you got yourself an RPi
[7:59] <[deXter]> LaunchDirector, Hehe yeah, it's been a while since I had it though
[8:00] <nickgaw> can two raspberrypis share resources?
[8:00] <nickgaw> like CPU speed and memory?
[8:00] <[deXter]> got it a couple of months back.. placed an order for it, received it the next day - shipped from Australia even!
[8:00] <LaunchDirector> [deXter]: what are you using it for?
[8:01] <[deXter]> Now that's what I call service - beats having to wait and stress over *months*
[8:01] <LaunchDirector> took me 1 month to get it
[8:01] <[deXter]> Plus I get the 512MB version, so it was well worth the wait ^_^
[8:01] <[deXter]> LaunchDirector, Using it as a media box and a web/ssh server
[8:01] <LaunchDirector> me to
[8:01] <nickgaw> If I wanted to buy the older 256 MB version are those still around anywhere?
[8:02] <LaunchDirector> nickgaw: how would you share resources..over what?
[8:02] <LaunchDirector> lan?
[8:02] <LaunchDirector> serial?
[8:03] <nickgaw> either. like a normal pc running linux can share resources like in a cluster can the raspberrypi do the same?
[8:03] <[deXter]> yeah
[8:04] <[deXter]> nickgaw, http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/university-builds-cheap-supercomputer-with-raspberry-pi-and-legos/
[8:04] <nickgaw> have people clustered the raspberrypi?
[8:04] <[deXter]> ^^
[8:04] <LaunchDirector> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi/ nickgaw
[8:04] <LaunchDirector> [deXter]: i was just searching for the link for that..you beat me to it
[8:05] <nickgaw> if a friend and I wanted to cluster our raspberrypis over lan could we do this?
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[8:05] <LaunchDirector> there are instructions on page
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[8:05] <LaunchDirector> well steps
[8:05] <LaunchDirector> read the PDF
[8:06] <nickgaw> and as I have a x86 pc could that be in the cluster or do clusters need to be same type of system to cluster?
[8:06] <LaunchDirector> i think it even provides the code
[8:07] <cellofellow> I'm trying to install avahi (for zeroconf IP and DNS networking) into my Pi, which is currently off but I have the SD card in my Linux laptop. What would be a simple way to put a script into the Pi so that it installs these deb packages at boot?
[8:07] <LaunchDirector> same type iirc
[8:07] <cellofellow> Using raspbian.
[8:07] <LaunchDirector> nickgaw: ^
[8:07] <LaunchDirector> [deXter]: have you tried android on the PI ?
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[8:08] <[deXter]> Nah I haven't tried it yet, LaunchDirector
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[8:12] <Pickley> Hey
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[8:17] <Torikun> yo
[8:17] <Torikun> TAFB_zzz: you there
[8:18] <Torikun> Anyone good with networking
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[8:18] <Torikun> simple router question
[8:18] <clear`> hm
[8:19] <clear`> depends on how simple :P
[8:19] <Torikun> ok lol
[8:19] <Torikun> here I go
[8:19] <Torikun> I have a router/modem (2wire from ATT)
[8:20] <Torikun> I bought an expensive Linksys N router today to have better LAN performance with Wifi
[8:20] <Torikun> THe linksys comes with 4 ports. I plugged a cable from one of the ports to one of the 4 ports on my ISP's router
[8:20] <legitnick> flash it with dd-wrt
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[8:21] <Torikun> The new linksys is using the 192.168.1.x IP's from my ISP router
[8:21] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[8:21] <Torikun> so my question is .... all traffic will still go through the ISP router?
[8:21] <Torikun> will that affect copying files on the lan?
[8:22] <cellofellow> If the LAN side is 192.168.NOT_1.x it will be fine
[8:22] <clear`> should be fine
[8:22] <cellofellow> You'll just be double-NATed.
[8:22] <clear`> and i didnt like dd-wrt
[8:22] <Torikun> I do not want to loose performance this way
[8:22] <Torikun> would it be better having seperate subnets?
[8:22] <cellofellow> that is separate subnets
[8:23] <clear`> as far as performance goes, do before and after testing
[8:23] <clear`> see if you really loose any, which if you do, it wont be much
[8:23] <cellofellow> is one subnet, another is, anything from 0 to 255 in that third octet.
[8:23] <Torikun> I disabled DHCP on the Linksys so it uses my ISP router . It was not working when I plugged the cable on the linksys (Internet port) to my ISP router, it had dns issues
[8:23] <dr_willis> the bottleneck will be the isp i bet
[8:24] <clear`> isnt it always :P
[8:24] <Torikun> Ethernet over Ethernet should not matter much on the two routers right?
[8:24] <legitnick> just use static routes
[8:24] <ParkerR_> Woohoo http://withg.org/parkerlreed/netsurffb.png
[8:24] <cellofellow> Ethernet over Ethernet?
[8:25] <Torikun> copying files using ethernet connection on the routers
[8:25] <Torikun> I know the wifi has a great performance benefit using N on the new router
[8:26] <clear`> how many wired connections do you have?
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[8:26] <Torikun> before I go changing everything again , is it worth it since I am guessing that ethernet connected devices will not be faster on the new linksys N router?
[8:26] <cellofellow> just put the Linksys router in the DMZ of the ISP router.
[8:26] <legitnick> usually isp's assign your ip based on your mac
[8:26] <cellofellow> then port forward whatever you need using the Linksys.
[8:27] <Torikun> dunno how to get back into the linksys now since I disabled dhcp lol
[8:27] <Torikun> will probably have to reset =(
[8:27] <peepsalot> is there some software i can use to continuously monitor video and capture for a few seconds before/after some movement is detected
[8:27] <cellofellow> peepsalot: motion
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[8:28] <legitnick> Torikun set a static ip with the routers ip as the default gw
[8:28] <peepsalot> thx i'll look into that cellofellow
[8:29] <cellofellow> peepsalot: you're welcome
[8:29] <Torikun> legitnick: do you think LAN connected devices will have better performance by using the new router?
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[8:30] <legitnick> not when using stock firmware
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[8:31] <legitnick> unless it supports vlans
[8:31] <Torikun> ah so no point in really changing my setup
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[8:31] <Torikun> just take advantage of N for wireless devices
[8:31] <legitnick> are they both wireless N?
[8:31] <Torikun> no
[8:31] <Torikun> G is the ISP router
[8:31] <Torikun> N is my new one
[8:32] <Torikun> N is awesome!
[8:32] <legitnick> I
[8:32] <legitnick> would setup this if I were you http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Client_Bridge.jpg
[8:33] <citanul> my wrt54GL is just 100Mbps on wired ethernet :\ even with openwrt of course
[8:33] <x29a> i switched to a fritzbox to get 1gbps
[8:33] <Torikun> Transmist rate is 365
[8:34] <Torikun> 450 Mbit/s
[8:34] <Torikun> wifi speed
[8:35] <Torikun> 56 MB/s sounds good
[8:36] <citanul> ...For internet it's really good. for wifi meh
[8:36] <Torikun> G speed is 13.5 MB/s
[8:36] <Torikun> N is 56 MB/s
[8:37] <Torikun> Yeah
[8:37] <Torikun> Time Machine will be faster lol
[8:37] <citanul> I wonder if I could use a custom DSL modem and increase reliablitity, and maybe some bandwidth - but especially reliability.
[8:37] <Torikun> and streaming movies on lan to tv
[8:37] <citanul> MB or Mb?
[8:37] <Torikun> Megabyte
[8:37] <Torikun> I always convert
[8:38] <Torikun> I like MB
[8:38] <citanul> oh 56 is really fast then.
[8:38] <Torikun> Yeah loving it
[8:38] <citanul> My wifi isn't even 13.5 :\ more like 5. My ethernet max is like 11 MB/s
[8:38] <citanul> wired ethernet
[8:38] <Torikun> wow
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[8:38] <Torikun> off to bed, night!
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[8:39] <citanul> Night
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[9:16] <rymate1234> dammit amazon
[9:16] <bjp> anyone use bluetooth to control raspbmc?
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[9:37] <dr_willis> ive yet to get bt working on any of the xbmc distros
[9:38] <dr_willis> got some weird python/dbus erors last time i tried in xbian
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[9:39] <Schuyler_> Quick question about Codecs?
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[9:41] <dr_willis> ok. ;)
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[9:43] <Schuyler_> Currently running raspbmc, and using an addon to stream Justin.TV
[9:43] <Schuyler_> Would purchasing the codecs help diminish the lag in the streaming?
[9:43] <clear`> justin.tv is usually laggish anyways
[9:44] <Schuyler_> I'm talking like, just freezing on faces of people, but hearing them talk.
[9:44] <clear`> but i highly doubt, internet connection, their server load causes the majority of the lag
[9:44] <dr_willis> those codecs are just for mp3g2 and one other format so i doubt it
[9:45] <Schuyler_> So as far as codecs go, I would need those for videos that don't play at all?
[9:45] <dr_willis> or just convert the videos ;)
[9:45] <clear`> lol
[9:45] <Schuyler_> lol
[9:45] <Schuyler_> so much hdd spaceeeee
[9:45] <clear`> convert to .avi
[9:45] <clear`> save space
[9:46] <dr_willis> they are for mpeg2 which will take up more space then a decent conversssion
[9:46] <dr_willis> and that other one... what was it?
[9:46] <dr_willis> avcs? avas?
[9:46] <clear`> the other codec you buy?
[9:46] <clear`> i forgot already
[9:46] <dr_willis> yea. i never heard of it befor
[9:46] <Schuyler_> VC1 is the other
[9:46] <clear`> im not a big fan of buying things :P
[9:47] <dr_willis> no idea what uses vc1
[9:47] <clear`> i will just convert
[9:47] <dr_willis> mpeg2 is on dvd videos right?
[9:47] <Schuyler_> Either of you using xmbc?
[9:47] <dr_willis> i use xbmc alll the time
[9:47] <Schuyler_> What distro?
[9:47] <dr_willis> my phone has xbmc now
[9:48] <dr_willis> been trying all 3.
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[9:48] <Schuyler_> Have a favorite yet?
[9:48] <dr_willis> xbian so far is the top on my list
[9:48] <Schuyler_> Any particular reason?
[9:48] <dr_willis> most features
[9:48] <clear`> raspbian + xbmc
[9:48] <Schuyler_> I've started at raspbmc
[9:48] <dr_willis> i still cant get bluetooth working
[9:49] <dr_willis> raspmc has the most issues in my testing
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[9:49] <dr_willis> not tried it in a few weeks
[9:49] <Schuyler_> Maybe i'll try Xbian in the morning
[9:49] <Schuyler_> raspbmc gui is lagggggyyyyy, but i've assumed that is just the rpi
[9:50] <clear`> have you tried openelec?
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[9:50] <dr_willis> openelec has issues with my wireless.. and lacking features xompared to xbian
[9:50] <Schuyler_> Nope, only raspbmc.
[9:50] <Jck_true> Schuyler_: And the latest version? They did some stuff about dropping the menu GUI from 1080p to 720p
[9:50] <dr_willis> and a weird installer
[9:50] <Schuyler_> yeah Jck_true , im on the latest.
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[9:51] <Schuyler_> main goal is local content + justin.tv + netflix
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[9:52] <Jck_true> netflix you can pretty much give up on
[9:52] <dr_willis> netflix isent going to happen i imagine
[9:52] <dr_willis> ;)
[9:52] <dr_willis> i did order an android based xbmc thing last week. it might be able to do netflix
[9:53] <dr_willis> most all my tvs can do netflix. now. ;)
[9:53] <Jck_true> I wonder how I can do some sort of Airplay style moving of video to my raspberry... :)
[9:55] <dr_willis> no idea about airplay - never used it
[9:55] <dr_willis> i use upnp
[9:55] <Jck_true> Tiny webserver - A small helper tool on the machine that launchs the webserver for the folder your specifufy - Then show a simple GUI with controls that gets relayed to the raspberry
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[9:56] <nid0> this is what dlna is for
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[9:56] <dr_willis> that pimame has a web based file uploader thang. ;)
[9:56] <dr_willis> but xbmc plays nicely from my dlna server. so no need to upload stufff
[9:59] <Jck_true> nid0: Well seems kinda overkill to build a DLNA server just to show an odd video on a big screen now and then :)
[10:00] <nid0> does it? streaming video from one place to another is exactly what dlna is for
[10:01] <Jck_true> nid0: I'll study it more then :) Any DLNA client for the raspberry that doesn't require a full XBMC install?
[10:02] <nid0> what exactly is it you want done on the pi, is your media elsewhere and you want to be able to push it to the pi from another device?
[10:02] <dr_willis> ushare,
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[10:02] <dr_willis> woeks as a simple dlna server
[10:02] <dr_willis> xbmc works as a dlna server
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[10:03] <dr_willis> and client
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[10:03] <dr_willis> im not sure if there is a better media player then xbmc for the pi
[10:03] <Jck_true> nid0: Push any random video file from a windows machine to the raspberry and without letting the machine transcode the file :)
[10:04] <Jck_true> dr_willis: I was thinking of just using OMXplayer on a bare debian install :)
[10:05] <nid0> Jck_true: well, all you need on the pi is a dlna renderer, not a server - there are a fair few around but I wouldnt want to bet on how well they work on the pi, xbmc is likely to be your best bet
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[10:06] <nid0> or squeezeplug
[10:06] <nid0> which then can run various different dlna dmr's
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[10:07] <Jck_true> nid0: Looks interresting with squeezeplug - Thanks :)
[10:07] <dr_willis> i got pi 1 and pi2 working as dlna/xbmc servers and clients to each other. ;)
[10:08] <dr_willis> pi1 has been playing videos for the wife for like 4 days straight now
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[10:10] <Jck_true> I don't have a NAS yet - So looking at ways to shuffle around :)
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[10:11] <dr_willis> get a pi.. make a nas. ;)
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[10:12] <nid0> a pi frankly makes a very very poor nas
[10:12] <dr_willis> ive had worse naas'sa over the years.
[10:13] <dr_willis> nas's ? ;)
[10:13] <Jck_true> Yeah - If i'm doing it properly it should be a 4 bay QNAP with RAID
[10:13] <dr_willis> i found my nslu2 the other day
[10:13] <nid0> dont buy nas's made by networking/power/disk vendors and you're fine
[10:13] <nid0> stick with synology/qnap/thecus
[10:14] <dr_willis> wife plays her videos 24/7 so i give her a seperate usb hd on her pi.
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[10:15] <Hoerie> <dr_willis> wife plays her videos 24/7 <-- she doesn't sleep? ;-)
[10:15] <dr_willis> she cant sleep unless its playing videosd
[10:16] <dr_willis> her tv is on and playing vidoes all day long
[10:16] <bparker> she sleeps all day long?
[10:16] <dr_willis> this week. yes
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[10:16] <Jck_true> Jeeze I watch 5 min news every day and like 3hours movies/tv shows a week...
[10:17] <Hoerie> I find that the more I tinker with systems to play videos, the less I actually watch
[10:17] <dr_willis> if her pi crashes - she wakes up ;)
[10:17] <artag> I struggle to find one good movie to watch in a year. I guess using them to send you to sleep is a pretty good idea
[10:18] <dr_willis> she watches little house on the prarrie, the waltons, green acres and other shows
[10:18] <artag> yeah, that would knock me out cold in seconds
[10:19] <Jck_true> I'm actually back to my original idea... Need some sort of framework for offloading files to a raspberry
[10:19] <nid0> scp
[10:19] <Jck_true> And controlling it over lan without the need for an attached keyboard
[10:19] <Jck_true> nid0: Funny :| - But yeah I know I'm rambling
[10:19] <dr_willis> synergy. but that needs x
[10:20] <dr_willis> i think
[10:20] <nid0> whos joking? knock up a script that scp's a file to the pi then logs into the pi and launches it through cmdline
[10:20] <nid0> thatd take like 2 minutes
[10:20] <artag> scp would be fine, you'd only a keyboard at the sending end
[10:20] <artag> or scripted, as nid0 says
[10:20] <Jck_true> nid0: Yeah - thats gonna be my plan with the video mirroring too - (Only I'll launch a local file server)
[10:21] <Jck_true> Just need to figure out how todo page scrolling on PDF files :D
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[10:47] <dailylinux> Hi
[10:47] <dailylinux> Which version of USB is used on RPi?
[10:47] <Jck_true> 2.0
[10:48] <dailylinux> Hmm, ::(
[10:48] <Jck_true> dailylinux: You can force 1.1 with soem kernel flags
[10:49] <dailylinux> Uhm, i was thinking more about USB 3.0
[10:50] <Jck_true> dailylinux: USB3.0 from a 35USD linux arm machine? last time I checked the most expensive tablets you could buy barely had a USB port...
[10:50] <Jck_true> And you're asking for USB3.0?
[10:51] <dailylinux> You are right, but would be nice to have.
[10:51] <dailylinux> I've been waiting long time to get one RPi, are they available now in U.K?
[10:51] <Jck_true> Anything 3.0 would simply fall back to 2.0 - Not like the CPU can move things any faster...
[10:51] <Jck_true> dailylinux: They hve been since august pretty much
[10:52] <Jck_true> Day to day shipping - Order from Farnell
[10:52] <dailylinux> CPU can't handle 3.0's speed?
[10:52] <dailylinux> ok, will take a look at Farnell
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[10:53] <dailylinux> I'm planning to build my own NAS using RPi and http://www.raidsonic.de/en/products/soho-raid.php?we_objectID=8249
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[10:56] <pecorade> Hi.
[10:57] <xzr> not sure if you want to get an expensive raid array and then gimp the performance of that with a Pi
[10:57] <dailylinux> Yeah, looks like RPi will be the limiting factor here
[10:57] <dailylinux> with USB 2.0 and 100mbits network
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[10:58] <erska> and the network interface is connected through the same USB bus, consuming part of the USB bandwidth
[10:58] <Jck_true> dailylinux: the network is on the same USB bus
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[10:59] <dailylinux> Yeah, i read that on FAQ now :)
[10:59] <Jck_true> Not to mention the fact the USB stack has a record of being a bit ... Uhm - Unstable...
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[10:59] <Jck_true> Atleast it's gotten alot better now
[10:59] <dailylinux> i see
[10:59] <dailylinux> But USB 2.0 IMO is slow
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[11:00] <dailylinux> Has anyone of you used RPi with Fedora?
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[11:02] <Jck_true> dailylinux: Define "slow"? I can pull 20MB/sec from an external harddrive - thats better than what I get from my IDE drive
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[11:04] <dailylinux> Jck_true, yeah around 20MB
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> morning..
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[11:07] <dr_willis> usb 1 is slow. we are just spoiled.
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[11:10] <dailylinux> hehe
[11:10] <Jck_true> Does anybody know if the raspberry supports HDMI ARC? (Audio Return Channel) Digital audio out from the tv :/
[11:11] <Jck_true> I guess it doesn't - Since all that HDMI stuff is in the GPU :(
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[11:40] <KnightEternal> hi.
[11:41] <KnightEternal> guys, what's the status on chromium? is it possible to get it up and running faster?
[11:41] <KnightEternal> every site seems to suggest it runs really slow
[11:43] <jelly1> it will i guess ;)
[11:45] <KnightEternal> every tried running 1080p mp4 inside chromium?
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[11:45] <KnightEternal> probably won't work at all, but just wanted to check it out
[11:45] <xzr> ever tried sticking rusty needles in your foreskin?
[11:46] <KnightEternal> a wild troll appears
[11:46] <xzr> it's probably just as enjoyable
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[11:48] <davzie> Why would you want to run 1080p on Chromium?
[11:48] <davzie> It's not like there's a plethora of laptops out there that would allow you to really make the msot of that resolution. even if the display is native, you're not seeing 1080p in it's full glory as you would a decent sized television screen.
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[11:49] <KnightEternal> homework (as in i need to know if it's possible)
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[11:49] <KnightEternal> still installing, but remembered to ask around while i wait
[11:50] <KnightEternal> but the idea was to connect it to a large tv
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[11:54] <jelly1> just use something better then chromium :p
[11:55] <KnightEternal> and does that "something" exist, inside the raspberry world?
[11:55] <KnightEternal> i mean, omxplayer can deal with those videos
[11:55] <jelly1> "something"?
[11:56] <jelly1> it all depends on the damn codecs if it works or not
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[12:02] <TAFB> mornin peeps :)
[12:03] <KnightEternal> hi
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[12:09] <teh_orph> aloha
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[12:12] <alex88> hi guys, just got my raspberry :)
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[12:12] <TAFB> congrats!
[12:12] <TAFB> big plans for it?
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[12:15] <alex88> TAFB, first just some home thermal automation, control via web, tablet, phone, sms
[12:15] <alex88> already have some thermocouples and relay board
[12:15] <TAFB> nice :) great start!
[12:15] <TAFB> gonna make it turn on the coffee in the morning too?
[12:16] <alex88> not sure if I can get a control from the thermal room to the kitchen :)
[12:17] <alex88> btw, If I want to measure the home temperature, a cable of 40 meters will be too much, is there a network temperature sensor?
[12:17] <TAFB> wireless :) lol. Also, the one guy made hi Pi open his garage door by SMS/email :)
[12:17] <alex88> TAFB, wireless temp sensors?
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> alex88, pit the Pi with the sensor and run Ethernet :)
[12:17] <Coburn> how long until the door opens, TAFB?
[12:18] <TAFB> alex88: I meant wireless for the coffee maker (x10 style).
[12:18] <Coburn> Unless it's PUSH
[12:18] <TAFB> Coburn: about 4 seconds.
[12:18] <Coburn> Dpm
[12:18] <Coburn> lol
[12:18] <alex88> gordonDrogon, oh, another Pi? so 5 weeks of wait :D
[12:18] <Coburn> Can't wait that long
[12:18] <megaproxy> TAFB, http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/vDI9
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[12:18] <Coburn> also
[12:18] <Coburn> btw
[12:18] <TAFB> alex88: In my server room I had something similar to this: http://www.serverscheck.com/sensors/Default.asp?Region=US&Country=CA&LANG=UK&State=&page=/sensors/Default.asp&cf=
[12:19] <TAFB> (network temp sensor)
[12:19] <Coburn> if you're doing wireless coffee machine
[12:19] <TAFB> megaproxy: you need 8gb sticks man :)
[12:19] <megaproxy> later :P
[12:19] <megaproxy> for now i just need 8gb
[12:19] <Coburn> make sure it says 418 then it doesn't work
[12:19] <Coburn> 418 = "I'm a teapot"
[12:19] <TAFB> megaproxy: you'll thank me later, for not going with crappy 4gb sticks when you want to go to 32gb later :)
[12:19] <megaproxy> :P
[12:20] <TAFB> ram looks good though, CAS9, couldn't find any DDR3 1600 for similar price?
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[12:20] <alex88> TAFB, the gateway is about 180$
[12:20] <alex88> too much, it's cheaper another Pi
[12:21] <Coburn> Also, if I had a stable internet connection at home (I'm on 3G but it derps a lot), I'd run my website off it on R-Pi + CuBox combos. But no, australia internet sucks
[12:21] <TAFB> alex88: lol. I'm sure there are similar, cheaper devices :)
[12:21] <TAFB> Coburn: I've been looking in to more server oriented internet connections, might have a line on fiber 100/100 but not sure if it'll reach my street :(
[12:22] <Coburn> you tease
[12:22] <Coburn> We only get cable in metro
[12:22] <TAFB> megaproxy: Use two of these ram sticks, DDR 1600 cas9: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/part/amd-memory-ae34g1609u2
[12:22] <alex88> TAFB, http://thule.mine.nu/html/about.html
[12:22] <teh_orph> If I order another pi in the uk, what's the fastest company to use?
[12:22] <megaproxy> TAFB, will i notice the diff?
[12:23] <Coburn> TAFB: We have some national broadband network coming into play soon, which promises up to 100MBPS cable
[12:23] <TAFB> alex88: wow, nice unit!
[12:23] <TAFB> Coburn: I need good upload speed. I have 100mbps cable right now, but 2mbps up :( http://www.speedtest.net/result/2376827100.png
[12:24] <megaproxy> i have a nice unit ;)
[12:24] <megaproxy> she told me so..
[12:24] <TAFB> megaproxy: On newer boards they can use 1600 for SURE, run it at 1.6v and push it to 1866 for REAL speed. CAS9 is great too.
[12:24] <jelly1> TAFB: weak upload :p
[12:24] <alex88> but they're not talking about sensors
[12:24] <megaproxy> http://speedtest.net/result/2218800940.png
[12:24] <megaproxy> umad?
[12:24] <jelly1> nah, you're cheating
[12:24] <megaproxy> yea i am
[12:24] <megaproxy> thats work
[12:24] <megaproxy> this is home: http://speedtest.net/result/2312332438.png
[12:25] <TAFB> nice speeds at home
[12:25] <jelly1> good, but le ping
[12:25] <TAFB> 10mbps upload :)
[12:25] <megaproxy> the ping is just maidenhead
[12:25] <megaproxy> its bad..
[12:25] <megaproxy> http://speedtest.net/result/1628028440.png
[12:25] <megaproxy> iu get a better ping to somewhere 100miles away
[12:26] <Coburn> Don't laugh
[12:26] <Coburn> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2410557024.png
[12:26] <megaproxy> awww its cute
[12:26] <TAFB> wow, grade "F"
[12:26] <TAFB> for fail
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[12:26] <jelly1> woah
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[12:26] <jelly1> looks like america :D
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[12:27] <TAFB> south america maybe ;)
[12:27] <jelly1> most of america is so slow
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2410559663.png
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> I don't quite trust speedtest.net
[12:27] * Coburn gives middle digit to Aussie internet
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> and one reason is that I know the person who runs the Bristol node, and if I ping his server directly, it's half that time.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> if I download from my own servers, it's close to 17Mb/sec and upload is usually over 1Mb/sec.
[12:28] <Coburn> Lemme try brisbane
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> so it's all a bit hit&miss.
[12:29] <Coburn> Funnily enough
[12:29] <Coburn> my 3G Android tablet
[12:29] <Coburn> gets like 2Mbps down and 1.5Mbps up
[12:29] <Coburn> so it could be the 3G modem
[12:30] <megaproxy> gordonDrogon, yea its never good
[12:30] <megaproxy> i tested a 3gbps line
[12:30] <megaproxy> it hit 300mbps lol
[12:30] <megaproxy> i think i maxed out the node?
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> well - that's most likely due the limitations outside your line!
[12:30] <megaproxy> were on links
[12:30] <megaproxy> amongst other things
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> if the speedtest node only has a 1G line into it, then ...
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> links? linx?
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[12:30] <megaproxy> yea exact
[12:30] <megaproxy> linx yes
[12:30] <megaproxy> im on phone too
[12:30] <megaproxy> lol
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[12:33] <Coburn> somewhat better
[12:33] <Coburn> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2410564722.png
[12:35] <alex88> so guys, someone said some time ago that there is coming a new kernel that permits to use bs18b20 without the resistore
[12:35] <alex88> is that available?
[12:35] * gordonDrogon googles bs18b20 ...
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[12:36] <Coburn> r-pi linux kernel 3.6 where?
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> Hm. what is a bs18b20 ?
[12:36] <jelly1> driver?
[12:36] <alex88> gordonDrogon, http://adafruit.com/products/374
[12:36] <alex88> sorry, temp sensor
[12:36] <Coburn> bullsh*t18, better 20
[12:37] <jelly1> Coburn: doesnt archlinux arm have it?
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> oh, it's a 1w temp sensor.
[12:37] <Coburn> don't use arch
[12:37] <Coburn> debian purist
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> that's not kernel specific. you need to write a bit of userland to read that.
[12:37] <jelly1> Coburn: you didnt listen
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> the kernel has a 1w driver built in to it AIUI.
[12:38] <jelly1> people who don't listen are useless
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> or is the current driver not able to read that device for some reason?
[12:38] <alex88> gordonDrogon, you need a 4k resistor between data and current to make it working.. they were working on a patch to power it without the resistor
[12:38] <Coburn> jelly1: I'm listening.
[12:38] <jelly1> https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-raspberrypi/PKGBUILD
[12:38] <jelly1> bam
[12:38] <jelly1> archlinuxarm has 3.6, so yes it's possible :p
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> alex88, ok. don't know whats write with just adding in the resistor though..
[12:38] <teh_orph> so, ah, anyone bought a pi recently?
[12:39] <Coburn> yeah, so uh
[12:39] <teh_orph> farnell says 3 weeks
[12:39] <Coburn> just how do I get it for debian?
[12:39] <Coburn> is it in a tar?
[12:39] <jelly1> Coburn: you don't
[12:39] <jelly1> Coburn: you either have it in a .deb or build it
[12:39] <jelly1> you need an updated firmware too iirc
[12:39] <Coburn> ok... and where is this deb?
[12:40] <Coburn> I could roll my own though
[12:40] <jelly1> google
[12:40] <jelly1> i don't know if anyone provides 3.6 packages for raspbian
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[12:40] <nischay> Hi :)
[12:41] <Coburn> jelly1: if I was to compile from source, would I use the kernel.org tarball?
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[12:41] <Coburn> Or some special R-Pi 3.6 branch?
[12:41] <jelly1> Coburn: no
[12:41] <Gordio> Hello, world! :D
[12:41] <alex88> teh_orph, I did at rs
[12:41] <jelly1> Coburn: you build a dep
[12:41] <alex88> said 5 weeks, took 7
[12:41] <teh_orph> how long did it take?
[12:41] <teh_orph> hmm
[12:42] <teh_orph> uk?
[12:42] <Coburn> I'm confused.
[12:42] <TAFB> megaproxy: Thanks for that www.pcpartpicker.com website, works REALLY well! I found the ram upgrade I'm going to purchase: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC3322&vpn=F3-2133C9Q-32GXH&manfuacture=Others
[12:42] <alex88> teh_orph, shipment to italy, but shipped email arrived after 7 weeks
[12:42] <nischay> first I am using raspberry pi first time
[12:42] <teh_orph> cool, cheers
[12:42] <megaproxy> pcpartpicker is awesome :D
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[12:42] <teh_orph> so none of them get you it within a few days?
[12:42] <Coburn> nvm, I'll just google.
[12:42] <Coburn> thanks jelly1
[12:42] <alex88> teh_orph, don't think so :)
[12:42] <Gordio> I from Earth > Europe > Kiev > Raspberry PI > Gentoo > tty1 > tmux > irssi :D
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[12:43] <Gordio> ops. += Milky Way
[12:43] <TAFB> I wonder if my mobo supports 32gb, from the newegg feedback, seems lots of peeps only get it to see 16gb (which I have now)
[12:43] <Coburn> bios
[12:43] <jelly1> Coburn: np, might be repo which has it
[12:43] <jelly1> TAFB: 16GB is not enough, what bloat are you serving :P
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[12:44] <TAFB> jelly1: lol, it's all these VM's eatin up ram :)
[12:44] <jelly1> oh
[12:44] <jelly1> TAFB: KSM!
[12:44] <KnightEternal> guys, can anyone view a youtube video using its html5 player in Midori?
[12:44] <KnightEternal> i keep getting a "this video is currently unavailable" error
[12:44] <TAFB> KnightEternal: only works on some videos
[12:45] <KnightEternal> i've tried several, but i'll give it another go then
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[12:47] <KnightEternal> thanks
[12:47] <TAFB> works on one? :)
[12:48] <Gordio> Who have sound, press give me module name.
[12:48] <Gordio> *please
[12:49] <KnightEternal> not yet, but i hope it will :p
[12:49] <KnightEternal> 1 sec
[12:50] * Coburn is going to bed, so good night.
[12:50] <TAFB> nite nite
[12:51] <Gordio> Ok, snd-bcm2835 . But why module can't load automatic? =\
[12:51] <KnightEternal> cya
[12:51] <dr_willis> KnightEternal: not all youtube vids have html5 versions i recall.
[12:51] <Macer> is there a bsd for the pi?
[12:52] <dr_willis> I think i saw one Macer
[12:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Macer, There's OpenBSD but I don't know how usable it is.
[12:52] <dr_willis> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[12:52] <KnightEternal> it's working now guys
[12:53] <Macer> oh .. nice
[12:53] <KnightEternal> i had to install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
[12:53] <dr_willis> Hmm. o dont see no bsd there.
[12:54] <neilr> Macer: I saw FreeBSD running on the pi somewhere. I plan to give it a go myself, but haven't yet. Do a search for it, it's easy to find.
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[12:54] <jelly1> dr_willis: elinux.org...
[12:55] <Macer> heh
[12:55] <Macer> i'm just asking because using zfs would be interesting :)
[12:56] <dr_willis> Well Beans! I found yet another xbmc-disrto to test out on my pi!
[12:56] <dr_willis> DarkElec
[12:57] <dr_willis> NetBSD is an operating system based off 4.3BSD and is geared towards embedded systems. There has been an unofficial public beta release here
[12:57] <dr_willis> ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/skrll/rpi-netbsd-6.img.gz
[12:57] <dr_willis> hows that. :)
[12:58] <dr_willis> I gotta stop looking at this list.. i need more SD cards and Pis to test them all!
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> :-)
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[12:59] <teh_orph> what happened to android on rpi?
[12:59] <TAFB> teh_orph: it works, but no GPU cause Broadcom is holding back graphics code.
[13:00] <TAFB> teh_orph: broadcom has it working with full accelleration, just rips, but won't release
[13:00] <teh_orph> I thought they worked with someone to connect it to their EGL code?
[13:00] <Macer> dr_willis: i just used openelec
[13:00] <Macer> it's awesome
[13:00] <teh_orph> surely the open userland should allow this to be done reasonably easily?
[13:01] <dr_willis> ive had issues with Openelec. xbian has worked better for me
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[13:01] <dr_willis> wife has a few videos that for some reason just stop xbmc when they get played.. they play for about 40 sec. then xbmc just stops. openelec, xbian. not tried others yet.
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[13:03] <Captain_Morsing> Hey guys, trying to install linux to my Pi, but i am unsure for the path to .img file. How much do i need to add? : dd bs=4M if=/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/mmcblk0
[13:03] <dr_willis> if its in the currentt directory you just use whatever.img
[13:04] <dr_willis> or you can give the full complete path
[13:04] <dr_willis> /home/yourusername/whatever/whever/foo.img
[13:04] <Captain_Morsing> I am in the same dir, and ok. Thanks
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[13:04] <dr_willis> /foo means on the ROOT of the os.
[13:05] <dr_willis> and be doubly sure of your of= device. ;)
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> dr_willis, tried just running omxplayer directly under e.g. raspbian?
[13:06] <dr_willis> gordonDrogon: nope.
[13:07] <dr_willis> havent really had a lot of time other then to set the wife up her xbmc box.
[13:07] * gordonDrogon nods.
[13:07] <Captain_Morsing> Yeah, ok. Thanks, looks like it is working.
[13:07] <KnightEternal> gordonDrogon & dr_willis: i'm getting the same results with omxplayer
[13:07] <dr_willis> I need to figure out how to get some logs going on it. so i can see what/why those few video files just stop on her.
[13:07] <dr_willis> what same results?
[13:07] <KnightEternal> video jams @ 40s
[13:08] <KnightEternal> give or take
[13:08] <dr_willis> Ok. so i know its not just me then.
[13:08] <dr_willis> does the video seem to work sometimes?
[13:08] <dr_willis> and you get several in a row that do it?
[13:08] <KnightEternal> it starts ok but then freezes halfway
[13:08] <KnightEternal> i'll try, 1 sec
[13:09] <KnightEternal> firing up the trailer for Battleship
[13:09] <dr_willis> I tried rebooting the Pi. and the same vid. stopped at 50 sec... 4 others in a row did.. then a differnt show worked
[13:11] <KnightEternal> jammed at 1:39
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[13:11] <KnightEternal> it could just be an issue with this video in particular, i'll get some some trailers
[13:12] <dr_willis> Well the vids i got are various tv shows.
[13:12] <dr_willis> Beverly Hillbillies. Little House,
[13:14] <dr_willis> gotta love shows like ->
[13:14] <dr_willis> The Beverly Hillbillies - 4x11 - Hoe Down A-Go-Go.avi
[13:15] <KnightEternal> :D
[13:15] <dr_willis> file says its got these specs...
[13:15] <dr_willis> AVI, 640 x 480, 23.98 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[13:15] <dr_willis> so its not like its a unusual format.
[13:16] <dr_willis> she had several that hung. all them seem to be mpeg-1 audio. Divx 5. but the res are differnt on some of these videos.. wonder why. ;)
[13:17] <dr_willis> 576 x 432, 592 x 448 560 x 416 ;) must have came from differnt sources
[13:17] <KnightEternal> my trailer was heavier: MP4, 1920*1080, 24 fps, video: AVC, Audio AAC
[13:17] <dr_willis> she dosent even have any HD videos shes playing
[13:17] <Jck_true> dr_willis: And you obviously aquired said files in a 100% legal fashion ?
[13:17] <KnightEternal> strange
[13:17] <Gordio> KnightEternal, you bye license?
[13:18] <Gordio> buy
[13:18] <KnightEternal> nop, straight out of the box
[13:18] <dr_willis> Jck_true: i have legally owned dvd's that i cant play on my legaly bought dvd player. due to the idiotic copy protection :) Who copy protects 'The love Boat Season 1' anyway!
[13:18] <Gordio> KnightEternal, try omxplayer
[13:19] <KnightEternal> Gordio: that's what i'm using
[13:19] <Gordio> And have lags? =\
[13:19] <KnightEternal> not lag, fps goes to... 0.5 per second?
[13:19] <KnightEternal> this at roughly 1:40m into the video
[13:20] <Macer> really?
[13:20] <Macer> issues with openelec?
[13:20] <Macer> it was awesome
[13:20] <KnightEternal> i'm trying the trailer for batman begins now
[13:20] <Macer> is awesome.. i'm using it now heh
[13:20] <dr_willis> This has heppened with Openelec. and xbian here
[13:20] <Macer> what's that?
[13:21] <dr_willis> Some videos 'stop' after about 50 sec. video playback just stops. (im guess itn its omxplayer thats sstopping) xbmc is still working.
[13:21] <Gordio> KnightEternal, maybe problem in size? Read from SD so slow...
[13:21] <KnightEternal> (damn this triology was awesome)
[13:21] <Macer> oh. weird.
[13:21] <KnightEternal> possibly
[13:21] <Macer> dr_willis: i use openelec all day long :)
[13:21] <KnightEternal> i'm using a class 10 sd card and the bit rate for the previous vid was 26 Mbps
[13:21] <Macer> the only time i have stuttering is in high bitrate 1080p/dts stuff
[13:21] <dr_willis> Macer: wife ran it for several hours. she had a huge playlist.. then hits a few files with issues.
[13:22] <Macer> oh.. .odd. what types?
[13:22] <dr_willis> these videos are comming off a USB hd. and are not high res or anything weird
[13:22] <dr_willis> AVI, 640 x 480, 23.98 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[13:22] <Macer> i have ran into issues with some as well.. but only divx
[13:22] <Macer> yeah heh
[13:22] <Macer> but it is rare
[13:22] <Macer> probably a poorly encoded video
[13:22] <Macer> just re-encode them with handbrake as h264 ;)
[13:22] <Macer> they're Standard Def anyways .. you won't even notice the loss heh
[13:23] <dr_willis> so thats a possible reason. Her 3+yr old O!-play has no issues.. Nor has anything else.
[13:23] * Gordio love mplayer
[13:23] <Macer> dr_willis: so darkelec plays the video fine?
[13:23] <Gordio> Who have info about mplayer_patch for hardware acceleration?
[13:24] <Macer> i would think it wouldn't do much different since they all seem to use the same src from xbmc
[13:24] <KnightEternal> batman begins, mov 1080p, avc, aac, overall bit rate 8623 Kbps -> works fine
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[13:24] <dr_willis> Macer: havent tried darkelec yet
[13:24] <Macer> oh
[13:24] <Macer> well.. i doubt it will help tbh ;)
[13:24] <Macer> i've never tried it tho... but i know that raspbmc and xbian were a bit flakey
[13:24] <Macer> used openelec and never looked back
[13:24] <dr_willis> but divx is mpeg4 from what i gather.. so it seems weird it would have issues with some of them
[13:25] <Macer> by far the best working/most stable one i've tried
[13:25] <dr_willis> I had issues with openelec and my wireless.
[13:25] <Macer> yeah me too... but i think that's more a linux issue than anything else
[13:25] <Macer> i can't seem to get n speeds
[13:25] <dr_willis> I coulden get it to work at all.
[13:25] <Macer> i use a small rt1200 adapter
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[13:25] <Macer> oh?
[13:25] <Macer> well.. you have to make sure it's supported ;)
[13:25] <dr_willis> the dongles work fine on the others and in ubuntu
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[13:26] <Gordio> Macer, thx for info ;-)
[13:26] <Macer> ubuntu uses closed drivers
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[13:26] <Macer> for a lot of stuff
[13:26] <dr_willis> these use the gpl drivers
[13:26] <Macer> i got some cheap rt1200s direct from china via ebay
[13:26] <dr_willis> they worked on xbian and rasbian out of the box. and on about every disrto ive tried ;)
[13:26] <Macer> for $5.. they work but not as 802.11n it seems
[13:26] <Macer> well. not in the pi at least
[13:27] <Macer> they work fine in a windows box :)
[13:27] <Macer> linux wifi support is still rather lacking
[13:27] <dr_willis> Bus 002 Device 008: ID 148f:3072 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT3072 Wireless Adapter
[13:27] <Macer> dr_willis: wow really? then i don't see why they wouldn't work out the box with openelec
[13:27] <Macer> i don't think it has a "special" kernel
[13:27] <Macer> did you set up all the ip stuff etc?
[13:27] <dr_willis> I tried every openelec setting/config in their settings.
[13:27] <Macer> and make sure you set up your ap correctly?
[13:27] <Macer> and made sure your ethernet was disconnected? heh
[13:27] <dr_willis> Yes. :) i did the exact same stuff on xbian
[13:27] <Macer> strange
[13:28] <Macer> well.. if you stil have problem check out #openelec
[13:28] <dr_willis> xbian had a config script/tool i used over ssh - took right off.
[13:28] <Macer> they might be able to help you there
[13:28] <Macer> maybe i'll try it later... oe and xbian seem to be the better ones
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[13:28] <dr_willis> what i need worse then that. is a way to get bluetooth working. ;)
[13:28] <Macer> raspbmc has some nice features but never seems as stable
[13:28] <Macer> oh
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[13:28] <Macer> not that i know of
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[13:28] <Macer> i don't think so because of bt licensing but i can be wrong
[13:29] <dr_willis> i never did get the BT keyboard paried on xbian last night
[13:29] <Macer> i didn't even know it supported bt
[13:29] <dr_willis> Igot 4 BT keybords. on sale. :) cant find my little USB ones.
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[13:29] <Macer> does the bt keyboard work in raspbian?
[13:30] <dr_willis> dident try rasbian. i just tried xbian and the cli method.
[13:30] <Macer> oh
[13:30] <Macer> using a dongle i'm guessing?
[13:30] <dr_willis> followed some guides and got some weird dbus/python errors
[13:30] <dr_willis> got 3 differnt BT dongles. ;)
[13:30] <Macer> python has ruined the world
[13:30] <Macer> heh
[13:31] <Macer> someone needs to fork python and call it slaptastic
[13:31] <dr_willis> well the wife is back to her old o!play now.. since it plays everything all night long.
[13:31] <dr_willis> but it dosent do playlists like she wanted.
[13:32] <Macer> do you need the wifi? no way to wire it up?
[13:32] <Macer> i honestly just use an mce remote on mine
[13:32] <Macer> well.. a harmony remote set up as an mce remote :)
[13:32] <Macer> but my other pi has an actual mce remote
[13:32] <Macer> i wired it up on the gpio
[13:32] <dr_willis> I got a $8 remote. :) that works ok.
[13:32] <Macer> http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/
[13:32] <dr_willis> the Samsung TV remote also seems to work with the $8 remoted IR reciever.
[13:32] <dr_willis> for the basics ofit.
[13:32] <Macer> i didn't want to use a dongle for ir
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[13:33] <dr_willis> got her stuff on a high shelf. :) she likes the dongle on the tv so she dosent have to aim at the ceiling
[13:34] <Macer> yeah. i had the same problem... my pi and tv sensor are on opposite sides
[13:34] <Macer> heh
[13:34] <Macer> so i have to be mindful of where i point.. i set up a pi for my parents too
[13:35] <Macer> but put it right next to where their tv sensor is.. old people.. using xbmc... what is this world coming to?
[13:36] <dr_willis> ordered her a ... XIOS DS Media Player last week. will see how well it works
[13:36] <dr_willis> shes got a collectionof media players. :) for her Little House and waltons.
[13:36] <Macer> you'd probably have better luck just getting a zotac with xbmc on it ;)
[13:36] <Macer> little more pricey but it gets the job done for sure
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[13:37] <Macer> the pi is just a good cheap solution.. even tho after the pi, case, ir ports, wifi, etc .. it winds up costing around 80
[13:38] <dr_willis> I got xbmc on her tablets now :)
[13:39] <dr_willis> soon she will learn the powar of xbmc
[13:39] <dr_willis> she has a bigger collection of electronic toys then i do
[13:40] <dr_willis> The Idiotic BoxeeBox almost works for her.. but it dosent play one video after another. , and i cant find any playlist feature for it. (need to look again) and it cant read her 3TB hds.
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[13:40] <dr_willis> Oh well.. bed time for me. at least i know its possible its a omxplayer issue with some divx encoded videos.
[13:41] <Macer> yeah.. i'm going to play my son's wiiu while the brat is still asleep lol
[13:41] <Macer> ttyl
[13:41] <dr_willis> i was going to get one.. then figured id just spend some $$#$ on some decent games for my Wii
[13:42] <jelly1> the Pi has jpeg decoding by the gpu right
[13:42] <dr_willis> it had been in the closet for almost a year. ;) so couldent justify another console to sit alontside it.
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[13:43] <dr_willis> hmm.. cant recall ever seeing jpg decoding in hardware befor.. or just never noticed it
[13:43] <Jck_true> If your boss falls asleep in his chair... Does that mean I get the rest of the day off?
[13:43] <dr_willis> Jck_true: time to take pics...
[13:43] <dr_willis> for the next job review.
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[13:43] <Jck_true> jelly1: It most likely has - Just don't know of any software supporting it
[13:43] <dr_willis> night all
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[13:44] <Jck_true> dr_willis: Ehh - Company is on the edge of being closed anyway - Next week or so will tell if we done for it ...
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, sounds bad ..
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[13:47] <herdingcat> Belaf, hi
[13:47] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Yeah - Well maybe - Only 3 employees - And my boss has pretty much promised to get me in somewhere else if we close
[13:47] <jelly1> Jck_true: hmm well i want to use opencv with jpeg so hmm
[13:48] <jelly1> btw http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=15463
[13:48] <Jck_true> jelly1: Check the forums - Theres multiple guys who has looked at opencv - Almost a daily topic here on IRC - just never hear of anybody actually having success
[13:48] <jelly1> hehe
[13:48] <jelly1> it works but painfull slow :P
[13:48] <jelly1> video capture with mjpeg is barely workable
[13:49] <jelly1> ugh phpbb lacks god search
[13:49] <jelly1> *good
[13:49] <Jck_true> Forums are a pain in general - But thats just me I guess
[13:49] <jelly1> hehe
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[13:50] <jelly1> mjpgstreamer works fine
[13:51] <jelly1> so i can analyze pics or video
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, good luck...
[13:53] <Jck_true> jelly1: Never played with it - May I ask what you're planning it for?
[13:53] <jelly1> surveillance
[13:55] <Jck_true> As in hooking it up with the CIA and the FBI and running facial recognition software?
[13:55] <dailylinux> Does any Linux distro for RPi support CUPS for printing?
[13:55] <Jck_true> dailylinux: They all should
[13:56] <ShiftPlusOne> It's not a matter of cups support, but the drivers.
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[13:57] <dailylinux> Jck_true, nice
[13:58] <dailylinux> also, what's the price of RPi B in UK? Here it's 379NOK
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[13:58] <Jck_true> the "offical retail price" is 35USD (Then add freight handling shipping etc etc)
[13:58] <Jck_true> dailylinux: http://farnell.com/
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[13:59] <dailylinux> ok, thx
[13:59] <Vegar> dailylinux: I recommend ordering from newit.co.uk
[13:59] <Vegar> (if you're in norway)
[13:59] <dailylinux> Vegar, ah, cool, thx. I'm in Norway
[13:59] <Jck_true> http://no.farnell.com/raspberry-pi?ref=lookahead
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[14:00] <Vegar> if newit have it in stock, it'll arrive within a week or so
[14:00] <Jck_true> Ohh my bad - Farnell sends you to a reseller now :|
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[14:02] <dailylinux> Vegar, that's nice
[14:02] <dailylinux> Jck_true, yeah i came into a .no webshop
[14:03] <Vegar> dailylinux: you will, however, have to pay 25% mva when it arrives
[14:03] <Vegar> but it _should_ be cheaper than buying from netshop.no
[14:05] <dailylinux> Vegar, yes, i know :(
[14:05] <dailylinux> netshop kinda sells for 2x price
[14:07] <Vegar> yeah
[14:07] <dailylinux> Price: ??24.58 (??29.50 Inc. VAT) at newit
[14:08] <dailylinux> Do they skip the VAT when shipping to Norway?
[14:09] <dailylinux> Vegar, i can't see how it's gonna be cheaper with shipping costs? Did you buy from newit?
[14:09] <Vegar> you don't have to pay the UK VAT, so it's ??24.58
[14:10] <dailylinux> Cool
[14:11] <dailylinux> And there is no "custom handling fees", but just 25% mva?
[14:11] <Vegar> no, at least not when I ordered it
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[14:12] <Vegar> you get to use posten's "forenklet fortolling"
[14:12] <dailylinux> newit checkout says 24.58 + 15 = 39.58?? to ship to NO
[14:12] <Vegar> http://www.posten.no/produkter-og-tjenester/fortolling/fortolling-privat#faq-forenklet-fortolling
[14:12] <dailylinux> i see
[14:12] <dailylinux> so ~ 40?? + mva, will be more than netshop :(
[14:12] <Vegar> ??15 for shipping?
[14:13] <dailylinux> yeah, too much
[14:13] <Vegar> that's a lot
[14:13] <dailylinux> yeah
[14:13] <dailylinux> How much did you end up paying totally?
[14:14] <dailylinux> if it's getting 500NOK i can consider other boards :)
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[14:17] <Vegar> dailylinux: you have to pay NOK 125 + 25% mva
[14:17] <Vegar> we ordered two Pis with cases and heatsinks
[14:17] <dailylinux> yeah, 125 is the stupid handling fee
[14:17] <dailylinux> i see
[14:18] <dailylinux> for 1 netshop might be cheaper
[14:18] <dailylinux> still way over priced and the intention of RPi is gone with 379NOK
[14:19] <Vegar> so you end up at around NOK 540
[14:19] <Vegar> for one pi
[14:19] <Vegar> might be better to just go for netshop then
[14:19] <dailylinux> Yeah :(
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[14:20] <Vegar> I ended up paying around 900 NOK when including a power supply, SD card and a USB hub
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[14:20] <Gordio> 900 NOK? =\
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> why heatsinks?
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[14:24] <dailylinux> Vegar, i see
[14:24] <dailylinux> Vegar, still cheaper than buying locally then
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[14:31] <prscarp> is there anything available for the pi to monitor the SMART status of drives?
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[14:32] <Holden> prscarp, I think smartmontools should be in the repos
[14:32] <ShiftPlusOne> smartctl doesn't work? O_o
[14:33] <prscarp> ill check smartmontools, i couldnt find smartctrl
[14:33] <jelly1> how would it work on sd cards...
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[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne> smartctl is smartmontools
[14:33] <prscarp> jelly1: its not an sd card
[14:33] <jelly1> owhait with usb drives
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> smartctl ought to wok with usb drives - if they support SMART ..
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the flash based ones might not..
[14:33] <jelly1> ;)
[14:33] <Holden> prscarp, just install smartmontools and then: sudo smartctl -a /dev/sd?
[14:34] <hevauq> hi guys, I am trying to connect rpi through serial. My serial connector also provides power. I was wondering if i need to connect the other supply or not?
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, don't connect power.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, just tx/rx/ and 0v.
[14:34] <prscarp> ah got it, thanks :)
[14:34] <hevauq> ok, could that be dangerous to the board?
[14:34] <hevauq> since I once did it
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, yes.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> you probably got away with it.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> also.. what voltage is your adapter running at? if 5v then you stand a good change of destroying the Pi's serial interface.
[14:35] <hevauq> um, no i didn't connected both the supplies together
[14:36] <hevauq> both of them are USB powered
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> so it's probably 5v - too high. need a 3.3v one.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> or a pair of resistors to drop the voltage on the adapters Tx pin
[14:37] <prscarp> ok, now its installed but its not finding smartctrl?
[14:37] <hevauq> ok
[14:37] <jelly1> since it doesn't exist prscarp ?
[14:38] <ShiftPlusOne> prscarp, no r
[14:38] <prscarp> jelly1: well, command not found
[14:38] <ShiftPlusOne> just smartctl
[14:38] <prscarp> oh lol
[14:38] <prscarp> haha thanks
[14:38] <jelly1> genious
[14:38] <hevauq> i am using this product http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004ROOPK6/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
[14:38] <jelly1> raw to mjpeg converting only ~ 75% cpu
[14:38] <Gordio> jelly1, O_O
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[14:39] <jelly1> woop
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, TTV = 5v
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> er, TTL = 5v
[14:39] <jelly1> this damn webcam doesn't support direct mjpeg :(
[14:39] <ShiftPlusOne> prscarp, http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/monitoring-hard-disks-smart might be useful
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> brb
[14:40] <prscarp> ShiftPlusOne: thanks, ill look through it
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[14:53] <hevauq> gordon: 1k resistors should be fine?
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[15:13] <herdingcat> hi, I encounter following error when I use Fedora 17 rootfs + rpi kernel: http://www.fpaste.org/miVQ/
[15:13] <mumbles> installs the pi store
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[15:16] <KnightEternal> has anyone played around with mk808?
[15:16] <herdingcat> mumbles, huh?
[15:16] <mumbles> http://store.raspberrypi.com/download
[15:16] <KnightEternal> http://www.fpaste.org/miVQ/
[15:16] <herdingcat> mumbles, I compiled openmpi and it seems it uses wrong C flags
[15:17] <mumbles> :(
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[15:17] <mumbles> is useing wheezy raspbarian
[15:17] <herdingcat> KnightEternal, ?
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[15:18] <KnightEternal> herdingcat: mk808, the android stick
[15:23] <jelly1> i wonder if the gpu can decode mjpeg be hacking
[15:23] <jelly1> since it can decode jpeg
[15:24] <|Jeroen|> hack away
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[15:29] <rymate1234> so my router has a built in dns server
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[15:29] <rymate1234> means I can ssh into my pi using pi@raspi
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[15:29] <ParkerR_> Nice
[15:29] <rymate1234> ^_^
[15:29] <ParkerR_> rymate1234, I do the same thing with my local hosts file
[15:30] <rymate1234> cool
[15:30] <ParkerR_> pi
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[15:30] <frikinz> Hey. For the nostalgics, I've built xmms :) Not heavily tested but mp3,ogg,flac, some visuals, etc.. seem to work (and pretty well). Also recompiled a few plugins, will do the rest when times allows.
[15:31] <Hodapp> XMMS? People still use that?!
[15:31] <frikinz> echo "deb http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm unstable all" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/99quinput ; apt-get update; apt-get install xmms; apt-get install xmms-flac for flac
[15:31] <rymate1234> xmms?
[15:31] <Matt> media player
[15:31] <ShiftPlusOne> old winamp-like media player
[15:31] <frikinz> Hodapp: yes, more for the fun and for seeing performance results
[15:31] <Matt> used to be my player of choice
[15:31] <Matt> back in the day :)
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[15:32] <frikinz> Its a bit back in the last century when you see the gtk1 windows but well, the rest of the UI is fine :)
[15:32] <Matt> and IIRC, it wasn't a huge memory pig
[15:32] <Matt> unlike some of the newer stuff
[15:33] <Matt> these days I tend to use mpg123 and ogg123 :)
[15:33] <ShiftPlusOne> moc(p) here
[15:33] <frikinz> I've had some trouble with xmms-crossfade and id3tag. I hope xmms-crossfade still works and that overall id3 works. Don't have my pi with me :/
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[15:33] <frikinz> madplay for me. mpg123 segfaults when pushed a little.
[15:33] <rymate1234> frikinz, screenshot of xmms?
[15:34] <Matt> rymate1234: one mo :)
[15:34] <frikinz> rymate1234: http://www.xmms.org/
[15:34] <frikinz> Don't have my pi and qemu through double ssh seems problematic :)
[15:34] <frikinz> but I saw it yesterday evening :)
[15:35] <rymate1234> doesn't seem too bad
[15:35] <Matt> http://pkl.net/~matt/mattdesk20000816.jpg
[15:35] <Matt> top right
[15:36] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: I moved out of scratchbox because of this damned shlibdeps but still experienced problems with libs. Could be that I had forgotten to do an ldconfig. So SB2 was probably not guilty :)
[15:36] <rymate1234> not too bad
[15:36] <frikinz> also had some problems with gcc .cpp not finding cc1plus so I can't built xmms-scrobbler for lastfm.
[15:36] <Matt> FYI, that filename will be the data it was taken :)
[15:37] <Matt> that screenshot is over 12 years old
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[15:37] <rymate1234> Lll
[15:37] <rymate1234> Lol
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[15:37] <Matt> and IIRC, that would have been a K6 running at 300MHz
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[15:37] <Matt> by the looks of it, with 256MB RAM
[15:38] <Matt> possibly 192
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Matt, Do you have enough stuff open?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> :p
[15:38] <Matt> IT_Sean: that hasn't changed :)
[15:38] <ShiftPlusOne> How did you live without a proper taskbar?
[15:38] <IT_Sean> I supposei shouldn't talk, as i am currently using 3 computers at once here. :p
[15:38] <frikinz> Tiling window would fit you maybe? :)
[15:38] <jelly1> time machine :)
[15:38] <frikinz> manager*
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, ah, so sb2 is redeemed somewhat =D
[15:39] <Matt> ShiftPlusOne: IIRC, middle click on desktop
[15:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah ok.
[15:39] <Matt> it's Enlightenment 0.16
[15:39] <IT_Sean> what are you running that on?
[15:40] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: I'll have to re-retry before I purge sb2 yeah. the longest with building xmms was qemu segfaulting. this wouldn't have happened with host deb tools
[15:40] <Matt> IT_Sean: keep with the plot :)
[15:40] <Matt> 14:37 < Matt> and IIRC, that would have been a K6 running at 300MHz
[15:40] <Matt> 14:37 < Matt> by the looks of it, with 256MB RAM
[15:40] <Matt> 14:38 < Matt> possibly 192
[15:40] <frikinz> Also it took hours to built. I have to check qemu and kvm. Can't remember how all this worked
[15:40] <IT_Sean> Matt, sorry, must have missed that.
[15:41] <Matt> that was my desktop 12.5 years ago
[15:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Am I the only one wondering what's up with Honey the hamster?
[15:41] <jelly1> who knows stuff about the raspberrypi firmware?
[15:41] <Matt> ShiftPlusOne: lol
[15:41] <Matt> ShiftPlusOne: it was my pet at the time
[15:41] <Matt> all you have to do is look at my twitter feed and you'll see things haven't changed much
[15:42] <Matt> it's just these days I post pictures of the dog
[15:42] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[15:43] <frikinz> All these AC_LOCAL_MEH and libtool lowered too much my nicotine level
[15:47] <Hodapp> frikinz: I should hope performance is satisfactory, given that I used XMMS on a Pentium
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[15:56] <frikinz> well, try. I use it on a nokia n800. ogg floating point was problematic
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[16:00] <jelly1> woop
[16:00] <jelly1> ./hello_jpeg.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libopenmaxil.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[16:02] <Datalink|Elsewhe> does anyone know how to add a bootsplash, like some desktop linuxes?
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[16:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Datalink, plymouth
[16:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Datalink, openelec uses a cutdown version of it... I think it's called plymouth lite or something.
[16:05] <Datalink> ShiftPlusOne, ah, cool, will look into thism thanks
[16:05] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[16:05] <Datalink> thism...?
[16:05] <Datalink> this
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[16:07] <sraue> Datalink, http://sources.openelec.tv/devel/plymouth-lite-0.6.0.tar.bz2 the sources, https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/tree/master/packages/initramfs/sysutils/plymouth-lite/patches needed patches
[16:07] <Datalink> it's in the raspbian repro but thanks
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[16:10] <jelly1> hmm now i wonder why it fails
[16:11] <jelly1> ldconfig -v -> libGLESv2.so -> libGLESv2.so
[16:11] <jelly1> program still fails ./hello_jpeg.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGLESv2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:11] <sraue> Datalink, plymouth-lite is in raspbian?
[16:12] <frikinz> jelly1: what does ldd says on the binary?
[16:12] <Datalink> plymouth is... lite may be as well, didn't check
[16:12] <jelly1> frikinz: good idea
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[16:13] <jelly1> frikinz: all found
[16:13] <jelly1> [jelle@alarmpi hello_jpeg]$ ldd hello_jpeg.bin
[16:13] <jelly1> libGLESv2.so => /opt/vc/lib/libGLESv2.so (0xb6f81000)
[16:13] <sraue> Datalink, plymouth-lite is not there its a much stripped down version to only show one png.... (without any blingbling)
[16:14] <jelly1> i might have the answer
[16:14] <Datalink> sraue, I'll be okay, looks like just the full app
[16:16] <nils_2> does anyone know a dealer in germany? (this is what i found on farnell homepage: Unfortunately we can no longer sell Raspberry Pi to consumers in countries which are not listed.)
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[16:16] <nils_2> and germany is not listed :-(
[16:17] <Datalink> nils_2, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21898
[16:18] <Datalink> looks like RS has them
[16:18] <nils_2> thanks Datalink
[16:18] <sraue> nils_2, http://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-computer/products/raspberry-pi-type-b-single-board-computer ships to germany for ???1.99 afaik
[16:18] <plugwash> might want to give CPC an email too, apparently they aren't pulling the BS that their parent company are
[16:18] <plugwash> internationalsales@cpc.co.uk
[16:18] <xzr> what kinda bs
[16:19] <nils_2> thanks... i want my raspberry pi (and also an ouya :-)
[16:19] <plugwash> refusing to sell to consumers in most of europe without giving any reason and redirecting people to overpriced resellers
[16:20] <plugwash> (or not giving them any buying options at all)
[16:21] <jelly1> nils_2: not a gamestick? :p
[16:22] <xzr> oh
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[16:26] <nils_2> gamestick jelly1?
[16:26] <jelly1> yes
[16:26] <jelly1> google knows
[16:34] <jelly1> aha
[16:34] <jelly1> vcgencmd measure_temp. If it prints "VCHI initialization failed", you have the
[16:34] <jelly1> a mismatch between the firmware, the VC libraries, and the kernel driver.
[16:35] <frikinz> what is the added value compared to reading in /sys ?
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[16:36] <jelly1> or doesnt the firmware support linux 3.6
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[16:38] <hevauq> wohoo, serial booted!!!
[16:39] <jelly1> oh
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[16:40] <shapr> I'd certainly like to get vcgencmd measure_temp working with all the Linux programs that read lm_sensors, is there a shim?
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, did you add resistors, or just plug in it?
[16:40] <jelly1> yay now to decode jpeg!
[16:40] <jelly1> decode jpeg put it in le buffer -> opencv \o/
[16:41] <hevauq> um, i added two 1k resistors
[16:41] <hevauq> on each i/o
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, ok - thats not perfect, but if it works :)
[16:42] <hevauq> yeah, we have to try few things
[16:42] <confusid> what do the resistors do?
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> reduce the 5v to 3.3v
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> or to 2.5v in this case.
[16:42] <hevauq> the cable supplied was confusing with same color for ground and TX.
[16:42] <hevauq> so i couldn't get the console until reversing them
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> they're not needed on the Tx from the Pi though - only the Rx input to the Pi
[16:43] <hevauq> given i have no monitor. I can finally use pi after a long time.
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> most 5v devices can work ok with a 3.3v input to them, but not the other way round - well not for long!
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, ok - first thing might be to enable sshd!
[16:44] <hevauq> yeah, done that.
[16:46] <hevauq> i am wondering if the flavour of debian for pi is different from stock version?
[16:46] <hevauq> wrt commands and location of files
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[16:47] <ShiftPlusOne> hevauq, afaik pretty much the same thing, just re-compiled hardfloat and optimized for the cpu. Not sure though.
[16:48] <hevauq> ok, I haven't used debian previously so I wont know for sure. I am thinking of putting a fedora image sometimes later
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[16:50] <gordonDrogon> hevauq, it's Debian Wheezy (aka testing)
[16:51] <plugwash> raspbian tries to stick as close to debian as possible
[16:51] <hevauq> ok, that is awesome
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[16:52] <hevauq> I guess this will be good oportunity to see how debian looks like.
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[17:00] <martk100> How do I make xbmc work with a touchscreen ?
[17:01] <rymate1234> with difficulty
[17:02] <martk100> rymate: Could you be a little more explicit?
[17:02] <rymate1234> Nope
[17:02] <pksato> martk100: you have a touchscreen on hands?
[17:02] <rymate1234> afaik xbmc isn't designed to be used with a touchscreen
[17:02] <rymate1234> migth be wrong though
[17:03] <|Jeroen|> aren't there special skins for that ?
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[17:03] <pksato> most touchscreen panels have a usb controler to provide comunication to computor.
[17:03] <|Jeroen|> a touchscreen is just a mouse
[17:04] <martk100> pksato: I have just turned off my pi. THe touchscreen works on Debian to some extent.
[17:04] <hevauq> anyway, i am off now. Thank you gordonDrogon
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[17:04] <martk100> pksato: I think the interface is called N-Trig
[17:04] <pksato> martk100: normal debian?
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[17:05] <martk100> pksato: Debian wheezy july 2012. It only works with some dificulty.
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[17:05] <netw1z> aww yeah 2013! time to rasp pi!#@
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[17:08] <pksato> martk100: some dificulty, also.
[17:08] <martk100> pksato: You have a touchscreen as well?
[17:09] <pksato> no.
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[17:20] <pycoderf> can you all recommend me a snes emulator i can use that doesnt need x running? i want to turn raspbian into just an emulator station
[17:20] <pycoderf> but just for snes
[17:20] <Hodapp> why's it important to scrap X?
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[17:21] <FrankBlues> Hodapp, who is suggesting that we should?
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[17:22] <FrankBlues> Ah, sorry, above sentence didn't quite click.
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[17:25] <gordonDrogon> if you wanted a separate touchscreen controller, then you might want to look at some of the 4D systems displays.
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> however they're not wireless (unless you used a Pi with big batteries & wifi!)
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/4d-systems-intelligent-displays-and-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> I imagine you could program one to act as a controller, but you'd need corresponding s/ware on the Pi to read the display and pass the commands into xbmc, etc.
[17:26] <FrankBlues> pycoderf, You could write a script that brings the emulator and X up and down without a window manager...
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[17:27] <pycoderf> FrankBlues: basically i want to turn my pi into a snes so i would want the emulator to just come up only and never really get closed
[17:28] <Hodapp> pycoderf: that doesn't rule out X, really.
[17:28] <Hodapp> pycoderf: just run the emulator without a window manager
[17:28] <Hodapp> or with a WM configured to show only the emulator
[17:28] <frikinz> FrankBlues: I've built xmms a few hours ago if you want to give it a try. There are a dozen additional plugins that you can manually install. the ref to the repo (in sources.list): deb http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm unstable all
[17:28] <FrankBlues> Especially if/when accelerated X becomes available.
[17:29] <FrankBlues> frikinz, For cool! Thank you!
[17:29] <frikinz> 25 packages already. If you want some more, tell me
[17:30] <FrankBlues> What other stuff besides xmms?
[17:30] <frikinz> FrankBlues: first thing when you start is to set the output to alsa.
[17:30] <pycoderf> FrankBlues: can you recommend me a snes emulator
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[17:31] <frikinz> FrankBlues: I've built a recent davfs and latencytop without X dependencies. Nothing really missing in raspbian, xmms was an exception as it was removed from official repos
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[17:32] <FrankBlues> pycoderf, Never used one on linux, I think snes9x is the standardish one.
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[17:33] <FrankBlues> frikinz, Cool cool. Thank you! Xmms seems like a logical player to use on the pi.
[17:33] <FrankBlues> apt-getting now, in fact.
[17:34] <frikinz> FrankBlues: well, there are really new ones, but its worth a try. I'll try it more in detail when I'm at home with real music :)
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[17:34] <frikinz> also want to see the visuals
[17:34] <FrankBlues> I've been limping by with mpg123, heh.
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[17:35] <FrankBlues> I almost want to write a rpi "daily driver" howto.
[17:36] <Hodapp> hrmmm. My MK802 runs Android well and is faster, but the RPi has it thoroughly beaten for, well, more stable hardware, better support, and a lack of blatant lying on the spec sheets.
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[17:37] <Hodapp> the specs on the box says that it will output 1080p and 2160p over HDMI. Months hence, their firmware updates that claim explicitly to enable 1080p for real this time... are still only doing Android in 720p.
[17:39] <plugwash> :(
[17:39] <FrankBlues> frikinz, it's working smoothly!
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[17:39] <Hodapp> plugwash: ehh, I'm not really bummed about it; I didn't pay much for it. I am just surprised at the amount of blatant lying they do.
[17:39] <frikinz> FrankBlues: ah good. was wondering :) you can have flac support with xmms-flac. just browse the repository
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[17:41] <plugwash> mmm, /me is hoping that the odriod U2 he has ordered won't have too many problems
[17:41] <frikinz> FrankBlues: I've had an X problem when setting double size (D) but that was through ssh and qemu. If that happens, you'll have to remove ~/.xmms/config as it might always start and fail in double size
[17:41] <plugwash> though I don't care about the video output
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[17:42] <FrankBlues> Yeah, doublesize barfs locally too.
[17:43] <FrankBlues> And there's popping when music starts/stops, but I think that's a known issue with the audio jack.
[17:43] <Hodapp> plugwash: does that even have video output? I see only LAN, headphone, and some USB
[17:43] <ParkerR_> Hodapp, micro HDMI port
[17:44] <Hodapp> ohhhh
[17:44] <ParkerR_> Top middle http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/odroid-u2.jpg?w=580&h=386
[17:44] <Hodapp> I forget that not only mini-HDMI exists, but also micro-HDMI.
[17:44] <ParkerR_> :)
[17:45] <Hodapp> that has the same GPU as my MK802
[17:45] <ParkerR_> Hodapp, Fun fact. Odroid U2 is pretty much the same hardware as the Galaxy Note II
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[17:46] <plugwash> I chose the U2 because it was cheap, had 2GB of ram and it appears to have the ethernet and the USB ports on seperate USB controllers
[17:46] <ParkerR_> And still fairly cheap
[17:46] <ParkerR_> Oh that was your first point XD
[17:47] <plugwash> (I'd preffer native ethernet and SATA but there doesn't seem to be any reasonablly priced board with 2GB of ram and those features yet)
[17:47] <frikinz> FrankBlues: yeah popping. that was also why I wanted to try xmms. I've rebuilt xmms-crossfader. Not sure if it works or does anything
[17:48] <Hodapp> plugwash: you might find an Allwinner A10 board with those specs; maybe Mele A1000? Or is that 1 GB only
[17:48] <Hodapp> the A10 has SATA and I'm fairly sure Ethernet
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[17:50] <plugwash> I was under the impression that the A10 only supported 1GB
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[17:50] <plugwash> the IMX6 supports 2GB and has native sata and ethernet but noone seems to be actually hooking 2GB up to the thing
[17:51] <Hodapp> actually, I think you're right. I have a hard time finding reliable specs, but one link says... DDR3 controller, 800 MHz 1 GB max.
[17:51] <Hodapp> lame.
[17:51] <chithead> the A31 is sold in tablets that have 2gb
[17:51] <frikinz> I have to buy 2 laptops, 2 tvs, 1 or 2 smartphones this month. laptops with installed win8 scare me. I hope most of pcs have in their bios the ability to disable secureboot
[17:51] <Hodapp> chithead: also Allwinner?
[17:52] <plugwash> the arndaleboard has 2GB and native SATA and USB3 (but not native ethernet)
[17:52] <chithead> Hodapp: yes. e.g. here http://www.ainol-tablet.com/ainol-novo-9-firewire-quad-core-retina-tablet-pc-9-7-inch-16gb.html
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[17:52] <plugwash> but it's rather pricey and physically large
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[17:55] <plugwash> the armbrix zero has basically the same hardware as the arndalboard but is cheaper and smaller. However it's still on preorder with a three month lead time (and I bet in practice it will be longer)
[17:56] <Hodapp> on the one hand I think it's awesome so many very cheap relatively fast hackable ARM boards are out there and running Android and more general Linux... but there is so much out there at the moment
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[17:56] <kslater> Oh cool! There is a channel for the Pi's
[17:57] <kslater> Does anyone know where I can get a Model A? Or aren't they available yet?
[17:57] <nid0> not available yet
[17:57] <plugwash> regular sales of model A's haven't started yet
[17:57] <kslater> darn
[17:57] <kslater> I guess I'll have to go up to a Model B then
[17:58] <plugwash> the only way to get a model a at the moment is to bid on one of the "12 pis of christmas" or buy a B and strip it
[17:59] <nid0> taking the extra ram out will be tricky though!
[17:59] <plugwash> you could buy a used 256MB unit on ebay and strip that
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[18:00] <Torikun> yo
[18:00] <plugwash> though rev 2 256MB units are relatively rare afaict
[18:01] <IT_Sean> kslater, why do you want an A, instead of a B?
[18:01] <kslater> lowest possible cost
[18:01] <IT_Sean> Ah.
[18:01] <Torikun> he could always use wifi
[18:01] <Torikun> but that is extra cost lol
[18:02] <IT_Sean> Yeah, if you want networking, it's probably cheaper to get the B, then an A + a wifi dongle
[18:02] <plugwash> kslater, best option then is probablly to look at a used 256MB model B
[18:02] <Torikun> how much is the A
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[18:02] <kslater> IT_Sean: you are probably correct, and I'll need some sort of networking, whether wired eth or wireless
[18:02] <nid0> no price yet, but the idea has always been that itll be about ??8 cheaper than the b
[18:02] <Torikun> oh
[18:03] <Torikun> if you have a sapre wifi usb dongle, go A
[18:03] <Torikun> lol
[18:03] <plugwash> the nominal price for the A is $25 what the real price will be in different countries noone really knows until it goes on sale
[18:03] <kslater> in the states the B is $35 and the A is supposed to be $25
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[18:03] <kslater> but if you have to add in some sort of networking, you'll probably spend more than $10 doing it in low volume numbers
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[18:05] * plugwash has mused the idea of doing a board with PoE and an enc28j60, not so much for cost as for conviniance and to get the ethernet off the USB
[18:05] <plugwash> IIRC the Pi drops USB packets indiscriminantly under heavy load which can really upset some USB devices
[18:06] <Torikun> wow did not know that plugwash
[18:06] <Torikun> ty
[18:06] <kslater> ok, I'm convinced, I'll spend the extra $10 I don't have to move up to the B
[18:07] <Holden> plugwash, by the way, I have not followed that for a while, has there been any news on fixing that problem?
[18:07] <plugwash> AIUI fiq support improved matters but still things aren't really fixed
[18:07] <plugwash> AIUI the root problem is that the USB controller doesn't have deep enough buffers and this is very difficult to work arround in software
[18:08] <plugwash> but i've only been vaugely following things
[18:08] <Holden> ok, thanks
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[18:41] <nischay> HI ! Can I use 5v and 1000mA power supply
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[18:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Depends on the supply, but yeah, probably.
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[18:46] <FrankBlues> nischay, I'm using a 1000ma Samsung PSU with no problems.
[18:47] <nischay> ok thanks but for me its not working
[18:47] <FrankBlues> How is it not working? Failing to boot or failing afterwards?
[18:48] <nischay> I got no activity on my tv via rca adapter all led are flashing continouslly
[18:48] <ParkerR_> :D
[18:48] <ParkerR_> At McDonalds with my Pi laptop
[18:49] <ShiftPlusOne> nischay, doesn't sound like a power supply issue, but a config issue.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> nischay, what OS? Did you have any problems flashing the SD card?
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[18:50] <nischay> I am using /home/nischay/Downloads/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img with command dd
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[18:51] <nischay> dd if=/home/nischay/Downloads/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
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[18:53] <FrankBlues> nischay, how is it connected to the tv, and what kind of signal do you need (NTSC / PAL)?
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[18:55] <nischay> after trying using that sd card when I tried to format it via fdisk it says fdisk: unable to write /dev/sdb: Bad file descriptor
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[18:55] <ParkerR_> http://withg.org/parkerlreed/openbox.png
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[18:56] <mumbles> ok guys, know of a good link to blink an led useing a cobbbler kit and the rasbpi ?
[18:56] <nischay> I am two partition on my sd card Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 8192 122879 57344 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/sdb2 122880 3788799 1832960 83 Linux
[18:56] <P4C0> Hello, is it possible to use the mpeg-2 license with different os and applications that the officials?
[18:56] <kriss3d> Uhmm in raspbmc is there a way to change the path of the VIDEO or MUSIC and such ? since it shows no videos when i enter it via remote control
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[18:56] <ParkerR_> P4C0: Yes
[18:57] <ParkerR_> As long as it is in the config.txt it should work in any OS
[18:57] <P4C0> ParkerR_: so mplayer or other playes compiled from source should be able to use it?
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[18:57] <ParkerR_> I think so
[18:57] <ParkerR_> Although
[18:57] <ParkerR_> Better use molpmxplayer
[18:58] <ParkerR_> *omxplayer
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> no mplayer won't work
[18:58] <ShiftPlusOne> for it to work it has to use OpenMAX, which at this stage is just omxplayer
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[18:59] <P4C0> thanks
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[19:02] <P4C0> no slackbuils for omxplayer :'(
[19:02] <P4C0> ups sorry wrong channel :p
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[19:20] <kenyabob> I tried to edit my $DISPLAY variable, and now when I use startx, I get a blank screen with a cursor (mouse works)
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[19:23] <Datalink> what did you change $DISPLAY to?
[19:23] <Amadiro> kenyabob, why did you edit the DISPLAY variable?
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[19:24] <kenyabob> DISPLAY=:0.0
[19:24] <Amadiro> unset it and try again
[19:24] <Amadiro> unset DISPLAY, I think
[19:24] <kenyabob> unset DISPLAY
[19:24] <kenyabob> ya
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[19:25] <Amadiro> don't edit your DISPLAY variable manually, startx sets it to the right value when the xserver starts
[19:25] <kenyabob> Amadiro: can I try and echo out the variables value then
[19:25] <Amadiro> yes, "echo $DISPLAY"
[19:25] <pycoderf> anyone have trouble with bsnes? i try to run it and i watch the cpu go to max but never see the application launch
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[19:25] <pycoderf> i also tried a ps a and did not see the process start for it
[19:25] <Amadiro> if you need it to change your DISPLAY variable to run something on a different xserver or so, do instead "DISPLAY=:1 command"
[19:25] <Amadiro> that will set the display variable only for the duration of the command
[19:26] <kenyabob> Amadiro: trying it now
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[19:34] <kenyabob> Amadiro: Still getting the same issue (im not sure if my setting or unsetting the display variable was the problem in the first place). I still seem to get an empty screen with a cursor.
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[19:36] <lempiainen> is there any way i can read cpu temp on rpi without using sudo
[19:36] <Amadiro> kenyabob, check out whether the xserver left any messages (either on the terminal you started it from, or in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or so) -- you can stop it with ctrl-alt-backspace, if you configured raspi-config that way
[19:38] <Amadiro> lempiainen, "vcgencmd measure_temp"
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[19:39] <pycoderf> bsnes does not work does anyone know an nes or snes emulator tht works well on the pi
[19:39] <lempiainen> Amadiro: that says VCHI init failed without sudo
[19:39] <Amadiro> lempiainen, works for me. perhaps your user is not in the correct groups?
[19:40] <CruX__> Hey there everyone
[19:41] <CruX__> Im having a downmixing issue with my rapspberry & xbmc setup and I'd like to know which part of the device/software is responsible for the downmixing-part
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[19:41] <lempiainen> Amadiro: hmm, is there any spesific group I need to be in?
[19:41] <CruX__> I thinks its xbmc but I've seen dom post some firmware-related things about downmixing on the forums so im totally not sure
[19:42] <Amadiro> lempiainen, don't know. Maybe "video" or so?
[19:42] <Amadiro> lempiainen, it works without sudo on a default raspbian install.
[19:42] <linuxstb> lempiainen: ls -l /dev/vchiq
[19:43] <mumbles> i got gmail notifiyer workign
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[19:46] <lempiainen> seems like I forgot to add some groups
[19:46] <lempiainen> Amadiro: thanks
[19:46] <Amadiro> yw
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[19:50] <tflgen2> yay! got my pi!
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[19:50] <IT_Sean> woot
[19:50] <IT_Sean> now go and get it working. :p
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[19:50] <tflgen2> already done!
[19:50] <IT_Sean> Aye?
[19:50] <ShiftPlusOne> yay
[19:50] <IT_Sean> Awesome.
[19:50] <tflgen2> IT_Sean: had an SD card ready to go. threw ipfire on it
[19:51] <IT_Sean> Nice.
[19:51] <tflgen2> only thing i've not been able to do is get openvpn up and running
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[20:00] <mumbles> has anyone got the gmail notifier working with a @yourmdaon.com address?
[20:00] <ShiftPlusOne> mumbles, IIRC it worked fine. I'll check again.
[20:00] <mumbles> http://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-e-mail-notifier-using-leds/python-script
[20:00] <mumbles> useign that guide ?
[20:01] <mumbles> ShiftPlusOne: thanks if you can
[20:01] <ShiftPlusOne> wait, what's that guide for? I thought you were talking about gmail notifier the google program...
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[20:02] <mumbles> no the raspberry pi one
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> nvrm then >.>
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't see why it wouldn't work then
[20:03] <ShiftPlusOne> *though
[20:04] <mumbles> yeh
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[20:06] <kenyabob> Amadiro: here is the log and what i think pertains to the display
[20:06] <kenyabob> https://gist.github.com/4446071
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[20:07] <sesam> anyone doing folding on RPI?
[20:07] <Amadiro> kenyabob, that part is not the problem.
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[20:07] <Amadiro> kenyabob, paste the whole log.
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[20:07] <kenyabob> k
[20:09] <sesam> Does anyone use the raspberry pi for folding?
[20:10] <kenyabob> Amadiro: https://gist.github.com/4446106
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[20:12] <DexterLB> ?is there a way to make systemd wait, say, 60sec before starting a service?
[20:12] <DexterLB> oops, wrong channel
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[20:12] <Amadiro> kenyabob, have you deleted the log first, to make sure this is a fresh one?
[20:13] <kenyabob> it was modified todayt.
[20:13] <kenyabob> I can clear it and run it again
[20:13] <kenyabob> hold on
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[20:13] <Amadiro> kenyabob, this log does not seem to indicate any serious problems
[20:14] <kenyabob> Amadiro: good to know
[20:15] <kenyabob> Amadiro: Im gonna go back to the standard image and see if it works
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[20:20] <kevwilde> Anyone experience with wireless passive IR motion sensors and rpi?
[20:21] <kevwilde> looking for compatible devices
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[20:25] <jacekowski> sesam: rpi is slow
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[20:29] <ParkerR_> Holy crap
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[20:30] <ParkerR_> When I heard that the model B could be backpowered over USB I didn;t realize that meant the cable used to plug in a hub could also be the input power
[20:30] <ParkerR_> I plugged in a little powered hub I got and was surprised when the leds came on and it booted
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, works with my hub too.
[20:31] <ParkerR_> So literally all I need now is on cable going to it
[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> When the hub is plugged into my pc, it makes the fans when the computer is off as well. O_o
[20:31] <ParkerR_> *one
[20:31] <ParkerR_> This is so sweet
[20:32] <ParkerR_> Although the adapter that came with the hub is only 1A
[20:32] <ParkerR_> Need to splice something up
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[20:32] <ParkerR_> The hub was dropping out with the wifi adapter plugged in
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[20:34] <ParkerR_> I would think the backpower could damage some devices that arent expecting
[20:34] <ParkerR_> it
[20:37] <jacekowski> to be honest, that's completly against USB specification
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[20:40] <IT_Sean> Is it a cheap hub?
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[20:47] <ParkerR_> IT_Sean, aye
[20:47] <ParkerR_> Made in China
[20:47] <ParkerR_> Cheap by china standards
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[20:48] <ParkerR_> Not even a company name
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[20:48] <ParkerR_> jacekowski, Thats what I was thinking
[20:48] <IT_Sean> Yeah, I can almost gurantee it is NOT made to the USB spec
[20:49] <jacekowski> but then it would be against all the licences to sell it
[20:49] <jacekowski> with USB name on it
[20:49] <IT_Sean> What licenses :p
[20:49] <jacekowski> the kind of licences they have to sign to get VID
[20:49] <IT_Sean> Trust me, the companies making this cheap crap do not care about licenses and certifications
[20:50] <jacekowski> they have to get VID to make usb stuff that works
[20:50] <IT_Sean> Do an audit on it. I will bet you a tenner it does not meet the spec
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Hey, that's not true!
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> They sometimes care enough to put an FCC sticker on.
[20:50] <rtyler> any of you fine folks managed to run two wireless interfaces off a raspberrypi?
[20:50] <jacekowski> yeah, i know it's against the spec
[20:50] <jacekowski> but that shit should be tested
[20:51] <ParkerR_> Woohoo spliced the cable that came with it onto a normal USB end
[20:51] <ParkerR_> So I am now feeding it 5v at 2A
[20:51] <IT_Sean> It is. . They make enough to pass the tests and get licensed, and then they make a cheaper version, usually missing some important components, which they sell as the one they have certified.
[20:51] <ParkerR_> Working so far
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> but also, language (see topic)
[20:52] <ParkerR_> Umm
[20:53] <IT_Sean> ooh... sorry.
[20:53] <ParkerR_> I see no bad language being used...
[20:53] <ParkerR_> Oh jacekowski
[20:54] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[20:54] <ParkerR_> Dang
[20:54] <ParkerR_> My SD is falling apart
[20:54] <ParkerR_> Just enough of one corner is broekn that I cant get it to read on my computer
[20:54] <ParkerR_> Cant make a backup
[20:55] <IT_Sean> Might be time to get a new SD card
[20:55] <ParkerR_> Works on the Pi but not when completely flush
[20:55] <IT_Sean> Might be time to get a new SD card
[20:55] <ParkerR_> I have others
[20:55] <ParkerR_> Jeeze
[20:55] <ParkerR_> Just I need to back this one up so I can flash it to the others
[20:56] <IT_Sean> Do you have any USB card readers for your PC that it might work in?
[20:56] <IT_Sean> Why doesn't it work in your PC's reader?
[20:56] <ParkerR_> IT_Sean, "Just enough of one corner is broekn that I cant get it to read on my computer"
[20:56] <ParkerR_> *broken
[20:56] <ParkerR_> Isn't making full contact
[20:56] <IT_Sean> Yes, but, is it an alignment issue... ?
[20:56] <ParkerR_> Yeah pretty much
[20:56] <IT_Sean> No way to sort of... wiggle it a bit?
[20:57] <ParkerR_> Trying
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[20:58] <ryankarason> anyone here got VLC to work correctly for video?
[20:59] <TAFB> x11vnc yep
[20:59] <ParkerR_> TAFB, VLC
[20:59] <ParkerR_> Not VNC
[20:59] <tflgen2> vlc!=vnc
[20:59] <tflgen2> :)
[20:59] <TAFB> whops
[20:59] <TAFB> lol
[20:59] <ryankarason> :P
[20:59] <ryankarason> thanks anyway!
[20:59] <TAFB> just got in from shoveling snow, i'm a lil foggy
[20:59] <ryankarason> haha nice.
[21:00] <ParkerR_> Huuzah
[21:00] <ryankarason> i also tried to apt-get xbmc, but i get an error
[21:00] <ParkerR_> Turn paper plate to the rescue
[21:00] <ParkerR_> *Torn
[21:00] * Hodapp slides a coffee in front of TAFB
[21:00] <ParkerR_> Made a shim
[21:00] * Hodapp dumps in bourbon
[21:00] <TAFB> i dun drink coffee :) earl grey tea maybe :)
[21:00] <ryankarason> what if anything is anyone here using to play video?
[21:01] <ParkerR_> omxplayer
[21:01] <ParkerR_> XBMC (which uses omxplayer)
[21:01] <Hodapp> I don't use a Pi for it, but 2 or 3 of my friends had good luck on XBMC.
[21:01] <TomWij> ryankarason: The question is rather how far OMXIL support is in vlc.
[21:01] <ryankarason> omxplayer seems kinda sucky
[21:01] <TomWij> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=105300#p356905
[21:01] <ryankarason> it doesn't black out the screen behind it
[21:01] <ryankarason> and i don't have a clue how to control it
[21:01] <ryankarason> i have to shutdown my system to stop a video
[21:02] <ParkerR_> ryankarason, q
[21:02] <TomWij> ryankarason: `clear ; omxplayer ...` and read the omxplayer README?
[21:02] <ParkerR_> Exits
[21:02] <ParkerR_> Or esc
[21:02] <ryankarason> i don't think that worked, let me try again
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[21:03] <Hodapp> though - I realized at some point it would be easier to just bring my Pi with my with a card for XBMC when I want to bring a movie to a friend's place than to try to remember whether their TV has HDMI/composite/component or their computer can hook to the TV or they have a DVD player or whatever.
[21:03] <Hodapp> s/with my/with me/
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[21:04] <pycoderf> anyone setup mumble on their pi?
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[21:05] <bs123> HI
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[21:05] <ryankarason> ParkerR_: thanks q works:) i was trying standard things like ctrl c, ctrl z, alt q
[21:06] <ryankarason> lol.
[21:06] <ParkerR_> Haha
[21:06] <ShiftPlusOne> alt q is standard?
[21:06] <ryankarason> well i guess not that one
[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> If I recall correctly, that's how you exit prince of persia (the first version).... maybe it was ctrl q..
[21:07] <ryankarason> i tried shift alt c, which is close window for dwm and that didn't help
[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Can't think of anything else though.
[21:07] <pksato> media players use a single keys to control.
[21:07] <ryankarason> yeah i suppose i didn't mean alt+q
[21:08] <ryankarason> i c, lol.
[21:09] <pksato> q to quit, p/space to pause, etc...
[21:09] <ryankarason> dangit! accidently hit ctrl+z and it stops the video but keeps the video on screen LOL
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> and if you type fg ?
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> (and press enter)
[21:10] <ShiftPlusOne> should be able to 'q' out after that.
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[21:11] <b0ot> Anyone know why my kodak zx1 doeds't show up when I plug it into my pi?
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[21:12] <shufflebot> I need to purge my existing pi sd card and I can't seem to format it :/
[21:12] <shufflebot> it keeps mounting read only
[21:12] <shufflebot> On a linux box
[21:12] <b0ot> doesn't*
[21:12] <ParkerR_> shufflebot, If you are just going to put another OS on it you can just dd the new image over the card
[21:12] <b0ot> sudo?
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[21:13] <tflgen2> always sudo
[21:13] <ryankarason> so there is no manpage for omxplayer:(
[21:13] <shufflebot> ParkerR_: b0ot I have admin privlages it just complains that it can't write to disk
[21:13] <ParkerR_> Again sudo
[21:13] <ParkerR_> Most of the time normal user cant write
[21:13] <b0ot> sudo chmod +wx
[21:13] <shufflebot> Again I have root privelages and regardless
[21:13] <shufflebot> and you cant chmod a filesystem
[21:14] <shufflebot> It mounts in RO mode
[21:14] <b0ot> meh
[21:14] <b0ot> try gparted?
[21:14] <shufflebot> yeah
[21:14] <shufflebot> it says it can't perform the actions because its in read only mode
[21:14] <ParkerR_> What are you wanting to do to the card?
[21:14] <MonopolyGuy> is there a physical switch on your sd card preventing write?
[21:14] <ParkerR_> Ohhh
[21:14] <shufflebot> Re image
[21:14] <ParkerR_> Writ switch on the card
[21:14] <ParkerR_> *Write
[21:14] <shufflebot> MonopolyGuy: the switch is off
[21:15] <pksato> shufflebot: lock switch on card.
[21:15] <shufflebot> Not on
[21:16] <ParkerR_> shufflebot, Are you just wanting to pull files off of the card?
[21:16] <pksato> move to on, and move to off. and put again on slot.
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[21:16] <shufflebot> ParkerR_: no I want out of raspbian and putting arch on it
[21:16] <shufflebot> I don't need 3 window managers and 8x python games and other stuff I don't want
[21:17] <pycoderf> why is my pi warm to the touch with no overclock?
[21:17] <ParkerR_> Ok it doesnt need to be mounted to write something to it. Maybe if it still complains about not being able to write the switch is broken
[21:17] <ParkerR_> *may be broken
[21:17] <ShiftPlusOne> pycoderf, I am guessing that's because it's on.
[21:18] <ParkerR_> ShiftPlusOne, Best response :D
[21:18] <pycoderf> ShiftPlusOne: i have never felt it get warm even when i ran it for days on end
[21:18] <pksato> shufflebot: dont need to mount, umount all mounted partition if sd.
[21:18] <pksato> on sd.
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[21:18] <shufflebot> pksato: I know, thats the neat part about dd you can just write to the raw parition
[21:18] <ShiftPlusOne> pycoderf, it's normal, don't worry about it. You can always check the temperature just in case.
[21:18] <shufflebot> or disk
[21:18] <pksato> or, disable auto mount feature.
[21:18] <pycoderf> how do i check the temp
[21:19] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a command... which I forget the name of.... and there's a file in /sys... which I also forget the name of.
[21:19] <ParkerR_> vcgencmd measure_temp pycoderf
[21:19] <pycoderf> i wonder if also its because i was adding/removing packages which tops out the cpu and gets stuck
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[21:22] <shufflebot> Grr its an issue with my mbp
[21:22] <shufflebot> the disk is writeable in my other 1.9ghz atom box
[21:22] <shufflebot> grr dd will take forever
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[21:29] <pycoderf> anyoneknow if freebsd works on the pi yet? rather tired of raspbian and all the crap i wont use
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Uninstall the 'crap', install a minimal image or use archlinux. There is at least one BSD variant available, but I don't know how well it's supported.
[21:30] <Hodapp> pycoderf: there are other Linux distros too.
[21:30] <Hodapp> pycoderf: also, even in Raspbian you have the option of uninstalling quite a lot.
[21:31] <pycoderf> may do arch i think
[21:31] <pycoderf> but yeah i will have to strip down raspbian
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> good choice, arch works great.
[21:32] <pycoderf> i use arch on another x86 pc
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[21:32] <pycoderf> really enjoy it
[21:35] <imperfect-> How well does XBMC really run on this thing?
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on your expectations
[21:36] <|Jeroen|> workable
[21:36] <|Jeroen|> movies play great, menu's a bit low somthimes
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[21:37] <NucWin> i had to tweak mine to get >4GB mkv's working reliably
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[21:38] <NucWin> if i make a usb wire that connects the power terminals to another power supply would that work for powering my webcam? i dont have a powered usb hub around :(
[21:40] <Gallomimia> sounds like it should. but isn't the power wires part of the signal wires too?
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[21:40] <IT_Sean> For USB?
[21:40] <IT_Sean> No.
[21:40] <IT_Sean> USB is four wires.
[21:40] <NucWin> guessing not but as im unsure i though i would ask here before destroying a usb wire
[21:41] <NucWin> thought*
[21:41] <IT_Sean> Power. Gnd. D+ and D-
[21:41] <Gallomimia> yes i know it is 4 wires. it's two shielded pairs
[21:41] <IT_Sean> Yes. One pair is data, the other pair is power.
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[21:41] <Gallomimia> so what he's planning should work?
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[21:42] <NucWin> will the webcam need to be grounded to both the pi's psu and the webcam's psu?
[21:42] <IT_Sean> In theory, yes. So long as he fully isolates the two supplies (i.e. doesn't short anything).
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[21:42] <IT_Sean> No... Don't connect the two ground planes.
[21:43] <Gallomimia> if you do this, might i suggest fully documenting it
[21:43] <Gallomimia> cause that's something worth posting for others to see
[21:43] <NucWin> im wondering if i can do it all from one psu
[21:43] <Gallomimia> assuming you succeed and don't blow either device
[21:43] <NucWin> the webcam is labeled 350mA
[21:43] <NucWin> the psu is 1A
[21:43] <Gallomimia> eeeyikes that's pretty tight
[21:43] <NucWin> the pi is standard clock
[21:45] <NucWin> not even sure this webcam will work with linux its OLD
[21:46] <Gallomimia> now there's something linux could benefit from is a drivers repo. with people who hunt for, archive in a library, and even develop drivers for any device they can get their hands on and connect to a linux capable device
[21:47] <mdp> there is a unified repo for linux drivers
[21:47] <Hodapp> Gallomimia: for the vast majority of the drivers - they stay in the Linux kernel.
[21:47] <mdp> it's called the mainline kernel release
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[21:47] <Hodapp> Gallomimia: and for the remainder of the drivers - no one really cares one lick for them since they're usually proprietary and badly-maintained.
[21:48] <Hodapp> Gallomimia: the only exceptions to this I'm aware of are things like the Nvidia and ATI drivers.
[21:48] <Gallomimia> screw proprietary. that's when we need to hack out our own :(
[21:48] <Hodapp> Gallomimia: if they're not proprietary, then they are almost invariably in the kernel already.
[21:48] <Gallomimia> and yeah. very worried about the situation between GPL and video board makers.
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[21:49] <NucWin> lol this webcam has more electronics than the pi
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[21:54] <shapr> Gallomimia: intel drivers?
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[21:58] <Gallomimia> i was referring to the recent F-YOU nVidia incident from linus torvalds in particular
[21:59] <Gallomimia> but yeah. there's 3 makers of gfx chips these days and they're all pretty anti-FOSS aren't they?
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[22:02] <Hodapp> I think there are more than 3.
[22:02] <mythos> i have to deal with via too
[22:02] <mythos> fy via
[22:03] <NucWin> If you include arm chips there are many gpu makers
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[22:05] <Hodapp> for mobile - there are a variety of other GPU makers.
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[22:07] <plugwash> Gallomimia, depends what you mean by "graphics chips"
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[22:08] <plugwash> there are two vendors of dedicated graphics controllers for PCs, AMD (ATI) and nvidia, afaict the former has been more open than the latter but both work much better with their propietary drivers than with the best free driver
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[22:09] <Gallomimia> well, i meant the mainstream ones. there's some neat ones that are entering the playing field from other angles. and hopefully they do more free software than the others
[22:09] <plugwash> Intel make their own graphics cores for integration and afaict they have been pretty FOSS friendly but they also make some parts with third party cores where the vendor they bought them from have been much less FOSS friendly
[22:09] <shapr> Ok, I finally got my Pi connecting to ANY open wifi with wpa-roam!
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[22:10] <plugwash> Afaict mobile GPU vendors haven't been very FOSS friendly in general either
[22:11] <shapr> As far as I know, the Intel drivers are the only from-the-vendor open source drivers.
[22:12] <Gallomimia> neat
[22:13] <Gallomimia> okay. quickk change of subject. anyone know something i can do right away to view some good videos on my pi while i eat lunch. i wanna eat in about 5 mins
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[22:16] <davyde84> hi can someone help me? i want to upgrade kernel 3.6.11 to 3.7.1 to use my usb dvb stick i think i have to compile it by myself
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[22:19] <davyde84> i would use make oldconfig but i cannot find the old config ehehhe
[22:22] <TomWij> davyde84: `zcat /proc/config.gz > .config`
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[22:24] <shapr> If you want your Raspberry Pi to connect to any open wifi, I have basic instructions here: http://scannedinavian.com/~shae/raspberrypi/wpa-roam.txt
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[22:25] <davyde84> TomWij: permission denied .config
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[22:25] <davyde84> what's zcat?
[22:25] <TomWij> davyde84: Well, yeah, you will want to write it to a directory you have access to.
[22:26] <TomWij> `man zcat` will tell you.
[22:26] <davyde84> ok did it
[22:26] <davyde84> can i now use this guide? http://www.berkes.ca/guides/linux_kernel.html
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[22:27] <TomWij> Yes, don't do mrproper though.
[22:28] <davyde84> ?????
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[22:30] <davyde84> ok started
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[22:32] <davyde84> what is a mrproper?
[22:33] <|Jeroen|> clean config
[22:33] <|Jeroen|> empty
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[22:36] <frikinz> Also known as MeisterProper http://perilni-bg.com/images/iCMS_zoom_Meister_Proper_mit_Schriftzug.jpg
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[22:37] <|Jeroen|> lol
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[22:37] <|Jeroen|> does that a good job cleaning the kernel ?
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[22:38] <frikinz> Linux kernel yes: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/LinuxWasch3.jpg :D
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[22:40] <|Jeroen|> can u sill buy that?
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Ubuntu cola, anyone? :)
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[22:46] <plugwash> they were selling that at uni here for a while, dunno if they still are. Haven't tried it myself
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[22:52] * gordonDrogon ponders. how to calibrate a touchscreen.
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[22:53] <Matt> gordonDrogon: with a steel rule and a sharp pencil
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[22:53] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, that was just rude.
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[22:54] <IT_Sean> You started it, m8
[22:54] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> Matt, Er.... Somehow I think that might be counterproductive :)
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I have one that's slightly trapezoidal by all accounts.
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> although the controller has a built-in calibration mode...
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[22:59] <Matt> gordonDrogon: maybe a pair of calipers...
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Hmmm.
[23:05] <plugwash> generally you calibrate a touchscreen by displaying a series of test points and getting someone to touch them
[23:05] <mumbles> plugwash: is right
[23:06] <mumbles> gordonDrogon: is that you with touch problems ?
[23:06] <plugwash> that gives you a mapping for those points between display coordinates and touchscreen coordinates
[23:06] <mumbles> try rotating the screen. was doing some work for a big compnay
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[23:06] <plugwash> from which you then extrapolate a mapping for the rest of the points
[23:07] <mumbles> the software was set for portrate but the calibration was landscape
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> yea, the mechanics aren't hard - this screen is slightly off-tilit - drag the pointer vertically and the X axis moves too.
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[23:09] <gordonDrogon> it's as if the touchscreen is rotated on the actual display.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> mapping the touch to the displat orientation & coordinates is the least of the issues...
[23:10] <ReggieUK> is it the right way up?
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> well - I think do - I didn't mate the touchscreen to the display - it comes like that.
[23:12] <ReggieUK> just something to consider, especially if someone else built it
[23:13] <ReggieUK> so, what is the actual big issue you're having with it?
[23:13] <ReggieUK> what are you connecting it to (os, bus)
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> it's not a big issue, just pondering ways to do it.
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> e.g. top-left returns 0,0 but bottom left returns 30,4095
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> ish.
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> connecting it to a Pi!
[23:14] <ReggieUK> well, if it's used on linux and has a tslib driver then there's nothing to ponder, just use ts_calibrate
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[23:15] <ReggieUK> or if not, convert the driver to work with tslib
[23:15] <mumbles> is settign up samba
[23:15] <mumbles> this is my most producteve day with the pie
[23:15] <ReggieUK> what happens to the values for all 4 points?
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[23:16] <ReggieUK> what kind of size is the screen as well and how accurate were you with matching top left to bottom left?
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[23:16] <ReggieUK> 30 could easily be within a margin of error
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[23:18] <ReggieUK> I messed with some stuff recently and it essentially came down to pulling the x,y values in for each corner, shaving a couple off and mapping those to the screensize with readily available linux math functions
[23:18] <ReggieUK> how is this ts connected to the pi gordonDrogon?
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> i2c
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I didn't even know there was a touchscreen library...
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[23:20] <Nahledge> Is there some sort of adapter that will transfer my 3.5mm analog sound to go into the red or white hole on my tv for audio input?
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Nahledge, yes.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Nahledge, you go into any audio/tv/hifi shop and buy a 3.5mm jack to phono covertor cable.
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[23:21] <mumbles> or probably cheeper on ebay
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> in the US they call them RCA plugs, everywhere else it's phono.
[23:22] <ShiftPlusOne> afaik 'phono' is mostly a UK thing.
[23:22] <frikinz> Yes. rca here too :)
[23:23] <frikinz> Nahledge: http://www.frontx.com/pro/c216_042p2.gif
[23:23] <Nahledge> Yeah its RCA here in Canada. I didnt know they made them but thanks :)
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I think the tslib expects some sort of linux kernel driver to exist to read the actual touchscreen. I'm not going to go to the effort of doing that - for now.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> especially since I'm reading it OK with just a simple C function call.
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[23:26] <mythos> here it is called 'chinch'
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[23:28] <mythos> oh, actually 'cinch'
[23:28] <frankdrey> can i partition the pi's sd card into separate partitions, one being fat32?
[23:28] <Nahledge> Has anyone tried to "wi-pi" usb dongle? im interested in what chipset it uses.
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[23:29] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, if you know what you're doing, yes.
[23:29] <frankdrey> ShiftPlusOne, ok, so what sort of bootloader does the pi use?
[23:30] <frankdrey> i actually don't own a pi yet :P
[23:30] <frankdrey> i'm planning it out
[23:30] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, its own one. Just needs the kernel and some firmware on the fat32 partition and you can specify the parameters in a text file.
[23:30] <Nahledge> frankdrey, its not very hard for your pi's linux image to become corrupted and force you to reflash the card, i tend to keep it standard, and everything else i use external storage for
[23:31] <Nahledge> i dont mean to say that partitioning it will do that\\
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[23:31] <Nahledge> but its very easy to find that you wasted your time
[23:31] <Nahledge> ive had to reflash about 6 times
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[23:31] <frankdrey> ohh, i see i see....i expected the OS would be on a linux partition...it's on fat32?
[23:32] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, the root filesystem is on a linux partition. The kernel itself is on the fat32.
[23:32] <frankdrey> gotcha
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[23:32] <pycoderf> if i dont run a desktop environment the pi should be fine with 16mb ram for the gpu right
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> pycoderf, perfectly fine
[23:33] <pycoderf> thanks. going to start ripping up raspbian then to make a server
[23:33] <KiltedPi> Bugger. I can't understand why virtual box is not detecting my network adapter- I'm trying to load windows server 2008 on a PC(Not pi) - can anyone help?
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[23:33] <frankdrey> pycoderf, why not use arch if you want a server?
[23:33] <ShiftPlusOne> pycoderf, there are cutdown images out there already. Might be easier to start with a base image and build your way up, rather than the other way around.
[23:33] <KiltedPi> Whats a common reason for this- other than not installing 'Guest additions'
[23:34] <ShiftPlusOne> pycoderf, http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[23:34] <pycoderf> i could do arch but would prefer freebsd if possible. just want something a little more stable htough i never once had an issue with arch on another pc
[23:34] <pycoderf> ShiftPlusOne: I will take a look
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[23:35] <frankdrey> so my situation is i'm making an announcements board. we put images on the sd card, pop it in and turn it on and it shows a slideshow
[23:35] <KiltedPi> Nobody got any clue why my Virtual Box won't detect a network adapter?
[23:35] <mumbles> frankdrey: sounds cool
[23:36] <frankdrey> is there a way to ensure that the image doesn't corrupt?
[23:36] <KiltedPi> I've set it to "internal network"... No idea why it would go from working fine one day-
[23:36] <KiltedPi> to broke, the next
[23:36] <KiltedPi> I'm getting "Not detected" for the network adapter,
[23:36] <frankdrey> is it due to the Pi shutting down improperly most of the time?
[23:36] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, running it read-only should do the trick.
[23:36] <frankdrey> ah, ok, that'll actually be perfect
[23:36] <Nahledge> frankdrey its always been because i forced my pi to shutdown when it was hanging forever
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> I haven't actually had the pi corrupt my sdcard though. O_o
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> But I see reports of it happening all the time.
[23:37] <frankdrey> does arch for pi use systemd?
[23:37] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, yes
[23:37] <frankdrey> alright, thank you
[23:38] <frankdrey> last question, how does the pi know which partition to boot the second stage bootloader from?
[23:39] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, there's a bootrom in the chip.
[23:39] <frankdrey> i was thinking: <bootloader + kernel - fat32> <linux files - ext2> <picture storage - fat32>
[23:40] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know how it would handle two fat32 partitions, but I expect that will be fine.
[23:40] <frankdrey> ok, i'll mess with it once we get it :)
[23:41] <Nahledge> frankdrey where are you ordering yours from?
[23:41] <Nahledge> I got mine the very next day from newark/element14, although i've read bad things about them
[23:41] <frankdrey> Nahledge, i'm not gonna be the one ordering it. it's for my church's youth, and another of the tech guys is ordering it.
[23:41] <frankdrey> since i'm 16 and don't have a credit card :p
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[23:42] <frikinz> Yes, 2 fat32 partition is fine
[23:43] <davyde84> is someone able to install kernel 3.7.1? eheeh
[23:43] <davyde84> i dont
[23:44] <frankdrey> hmm, can't seem to see a model a anywhere
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[23:47] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, if you have silly amounts of money, http://www.ebay.com/sch/raspberry_pi/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
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[23:49] <frankdrey> ._. wut
[23:49] <frankdrey> the better one is $35 xD
[23:49] <frankdrey> i thought model a was $25?
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> frankdrey, they are not out yet. They are just auctioning a few for charity right now.
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> They did the same with model b, except that wasn't for charity
[23:50] <frankdrey> ah i see
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> well it was, since they are a charity, but not a third party charity.
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[23:51] <frankdrey> ok, well i think we'll just wait a bit. the administration pinches their pennies, and we don't need model b features
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[23:54] <vorsaykal> Would it be possible to use my Model B, 4GB Raspbian to install Arch Linux on the same SD? I was thinking something along the lines of trying to get a working environment on RAM to chroot, but it sounds sketchy.
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[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> vorsaykal, look up berryboot
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[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> I wrote a similar multi-boot thing a while ago and it worked just fine, but berryboot is a lot more polished and user friendly.
[23:56] <ShiftPlusOne> but if your sd card is only 4gb, it's a tight fit.
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