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IRC Log for 2013-01-05

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[0:00] <hevauq> i set the permissions to no_root_squash and everything is root mounted. But I can mount any folder which is not a mounted drive.
[0:00] <markedathome> ChubZee: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Szap-s2 for channels.conf that can be used by vlc
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[0:00] <hevauq> permissions on directories are drwxrwxrwx
[0:01] <markedathome> what is the nfs command used?
[0:02] <markedathome> what is the nfs command *paramaters used?
[0:03] <hevauq> just starting the server with service command
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[0:03] <hevauq> service nfs start
[0:03] <hevauq> and service rpcbind start
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[0:04] <hevauq> on client side mount x.x.x.:/mydrive /here/
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[0:06] <markedathome> hevauq: is the nfs share exported?
[0:06] <hevauq> yeah. i have made relevant entries in /etc/exports
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[0:07] <hevauq> /media/mydriver 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw, no_root_squash)
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[0:08] <FrankBlues> The client is in the 192.168.0.x subnet, yes?
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[0:09] <markedathome> and how is the mounted drive set up for cifs/smb?
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[0:10] <hevauq> no cifs or smb. just two linux machine. so all i am doing is nfs mount. these machines are both 192.168.0.x
[0:11] <markedathome> sorry, right re-read the original. fstab entry?
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[0:12] <sesam> anyone tried to use ffmpeg on the raspberry?
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[0:12] <BillyBag2> Can you actually buy model A borads yet?
[0:13] <hevauq> /dev/sdb1 /media/Elements ntfs defaults 0 0
[0:13] <smoo2> hello, I've just tried to use rasp-config to set up overclocking, but I'm not convinced it is working. I selected the penultimate option (1 below the very highest) as a start. dmesg shows "[ 1.929443] bcm2835-cpufreq: min=700000 max=950000 cur=700000 " which sounds positive, but I'm compiling mongodb and "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq " still shows 700000 as the freq, which I think means the scaling h
[0:13] <hevauq> funny thing is I can mount pretty much all folders besides the mounted drives.
[0:14] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[0:14] <markedathome> BillyBag2: just early 2013 is the entry. unless you want to do the ebay auctions (can't remember if they are still running)
[0:14] <smoo2> dmesg also shows "[ 1.935346] bcm2835-cpufreq: switching to governor powersave" should this be something else? Is there a command line option to swith the mode?
[0:15] <markedathome> smoo2: it will increase as necessary
[0:15] <BillyBag2> smoo2 I found it does not over clock if IO bound, only when CPU bound. Best indicator is the temperature. If that starts to rise you have probably been terboping.
[0:16] <markedathome> terboping (??)
[0:16] <BillyBag2> terbo-ing
[0:16] <smoo2> BillyBag2: temp is about 50c - I guess that is low ish?
[0:16] <[diecast]> 50c is high
[0:17] <smoo2> i'm compiling code, so thought that would be CPU bound, but it's code on a usb flash drive, maybe thats limiting it...
[0:17] <[diecast]> oh, nm, was thinking about outside weather
[0:17] <[diecast]> for a cpu that is ok =P
[0:17] <BillyBag2> I think it depends on enviroment. I would say 50 is high. I see 40is and rises about 10 when doing stuff.
[0:17] <markedathome> $ /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[0:17] <markedathome> temp=50.8'C
[0:18] <[diecast]> but my cpu is usually around 35c
[0:18] <mgottschlag> isn't "powersave" always using the lowest level? I thought you need ondemand for turbo mode
[0:18] <smoo2> maybe I should open a window!
[0:18] <markedathome> about 50%cpu utilisation
[0:18] <smoo2> mgottschlag: that's what I thought too
[0:18] <BillyBag2> Mine is sat at 39. Ill run an apt-get update.
[0:19] <mgottschlag> also, try something which is definately cpu intensive (like copying from /dev/urandom to /dev/null) and then read the cpu speed
[0:20] <markedathome> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[0:20] <markedathome> We are happy that the combination of only applying turbo when busy, and limiting turbo when the BCM2835's internal temperature reaches 85?C,
[0:20] <markedathome> You can now choose from one of five overclock presets in raspi-config, the highest of which runs the ARM at 1GHz
[0:20] <smoo2> how do you change from "powersave" to "ondemand"
[0:20] <smoo2> I set it through raspi-config and rebooted
[0:21] <sundancer> how do you read cpu temperature? which command?
[0:21] <markedathome> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking_configuration
[0:21] <FrankBlues> The client is in the 192.168.0.x subnet, yes?
[0:21] <markedathome> sundancer: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp ^^^ as posted
[0:21] <BillyBag2> Um, ok, I forgot I'm not in terbo mode. Temp has remained constant.
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> temp=48.7'C
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> nothing to write home about.
[0:21] <sundancer> thanks
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> when it hits 70 I'll wory.
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> that's a Pi inside an Adafruit case with a 'shield' on top.
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[0:22] <gordonDrogon> so no ventilation at all, and the board on-top is sucking some juice too (about 150mA)
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[0:23] <BillyBag2> I was saying you can see when terbo mode has been working as you see about 10 degree rise in CPU.
[0:23] <mgottschlag> smoo2: the cpufrequtils package probably contains a simple program for that
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[0:26] <smoo2> mgottschlag: Ah-ha! That's done it! I installed that, and as part of setting up the package it re-configured the scaling to ondemand and I'm now up to 950Mhz
[0:26] <smoo2> and 52c!
[0:27] <smoo2> Excellent. at this rate, I might have mongodb compiled by the end of the weekend!
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[0:33] <markedathome> hmm... two and a bit hours later, I have a usb sound adapter that I can get audio output to with "aplay -D sysdefault:CARD=Device". However anything using pulse goes out the audio jack even though it should be first and/or default audio route.
[0:33] <markedathome> which is what I originally came here for...
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[0:47] <KiltedPi> Anyone know what is wrong with this python function : http://codebin.org/view/raw/7440053b
[0:47] <KiltedPi> its just a simple test function
[0:48] <KiltedPi> I get an invalid syntax
[0:48] <KiltedPi> :S
[0:49] <smoo2> KiltedPi: which version of Python? Try removing the ; from the end of the lines
[0:49] <KiltedPi> 3.3
[0:49] <passcod> python shouldn't need semicolons?
[0:50] <KiltedPi> yeah, i tried removing them.
[0:50] <KiltedPi> I'm using it on windows incidentally
[0:50] <passcod> oh, isn't print a function in py3? so you'd do print("Yo") instead?
[0:50] <fayimora> markedathome: I'm still here
[0:50] <smoo2> KiltedPi: dont think you need them, not sure if it would break it. For Python 3+ I think the print syntax changed, should be something like print("hello")
[0:52] <KiltedPi> http://codebin.org/view/raw/1a311a03 <--- this is my revised version-
[0:52] <KiltedPi> oh, one sec
[0:52] <alajarvela> hey guys, was thinking about using my win8 tablet as a screen for the pi, do you guys if you can do that? like, i know about vnc but i was thinking if you can use a tablet as a screen when run via hdmi
[0:52] <markedathome> after the return press enter twice? go from ... to >>>
[0:52] <dr_willis> alajarvela: i imagine vnc will be slugish to use.
[0:53] <KiltedPi> http://codebin.org/view/raw/acae2864 <--- If someone could copy this into their powershell/IDLE editor-
[0:53] <alajarvela> yeah that is why i dont want to use vnc, i'd prefer if i can connect this tablet with hdmi to the pi and use it as a sreen for it
[0:53] <KiltedPi> Thats the working bit
[0:53] <KiltedPi> It uses a module called 'tkinter'
[0:53] <dr_willis> alajarvela: never seen any tablet with a HDMI in.,
[0:53] <markedathome> alajarvela: so the output goes from the hdmi on the rpi to a mini hdmi/hdmi on the tablet?
[0:53] <KiltedPi> which is for basic GUI manipulation
[0:53] <KiltedPi> You will see what I'm trying to do.
[0:54] <alajarvela> markedathome: yup.
[0:54] <KiltedPi> I want to then call "upCursor.configure(command=upButtonPressed)"
[0:54] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[0:54] <alajarvela> dr_willis: acer w510, this device is awesome. also got a keyboard dock and the batterylife is sick.
[0:54] <KiltedPi> (sorry everyone for pasting code in IRC)
[0:54] <KiltedPi> so when the button is pressed it will move my robot
[0:55] <alajarvela> markedathome: but i dont know if this can take input from the hdmi or just push out
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[0:56] <markedathome> depends on whether the tablet can announce itself as a video renderer over hdmi
[0:56] <smoo2> KiltedPi: your code works for the window, I can see your buttons. what doesnt work?
[0:56] <Lachezar> Hey all.
[0:56] <KiltedPi> smoo, private message okay?
[0:57] <smoo2> KiltedPi: sure
[0:57] <Lachezar> Has any one contemplated a way to put a touch screen on a full-size TV and hook it into the R-Pi?
[0:57] <alajarvela> markedathome: is it a hardware or software issue?
[0:57] <markedathome> then you would need some media player that can do it, mxplayer, vlc, something like that. maybe xbmc
[0:57] <alajarvela> okay
[0:59] <markedathome> windows media center/player should be ok
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[0:59] <alajarvela> markedathome: thanks for the tips, i'll look into it now that i've got a starting point :)
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[1:00] * Lachezar curses hotel WiFi Internet.
[1:00] <markedathome> i think, but I haven't played with win8 much. vlc isn't on win8 yet, they have just concluded a kickstarter to raise funds. don't know about xbmc
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[1:02] <markedathome> does anyone know if/where the upnp plugin for vlc on the rpi is?
[1:03] <ryushe> 3G experts out there: I've got wvdial set up and working and being called from /etc/network/interfaces , however, I lose connection every 2 to 3 hours and have to manually reconnect. Any ideas on how to automate this or to have it try to reconnect every 30 minutes or so?
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[1:04] <ryushe> I suppose I could run a cronjob that calls wvdial every 30 minutes, but will that interfere with the network settings?
[1:04] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[1:04] <markedathome> ryushe: some sort of script that notices when the ethernet config goes down, ipconfig <something>
[1:04] <markedathome> s/config//
[1:05] <markedathome> ifconfig even -- it is getting late
[1:05] <ryushe> markedathome: I'm just clueless on how/where to set something like that up. Would it be a bash script called via cron that does an ifdown/ifup every 30 min or so?
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[1:09] <akulbe> Are there "experimental" packages on the raspbian mirrors?
[1:09] <markedathome> you are looking for something along the lines of "linux 3g auto redial"
[1:09] <akulbe> and is getting those packages just a matter of adding "experimental" to the sources.list, or is there more to it than that?
[1:10] <akulbe> it seems like my sources.list file is pretty bare... there's only a single line there
[1:10] <akulbe> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi <-- that's it
[1:11] <KiltedPi> whats the syntax for adding a comment in python 3.3
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[1:12] <markedathome> # comment
[1:12] <plugwash> akulbe, we currently only build wheezy we plan to build jessie when it is available but we do not plan to build unstable or experimental
[1:12] <KiltedPi> I thought # was for importing... urgh, so hard flipping between languages
[1:12] <ryushe> markedathome: thanks, this link (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pppd#Do_an_auto_redial) contains a script to do so, which is easier than I imagined
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[1:14] <markedathome> there should be something to look at the return value from the dialup process <wvdial?>. maybe something that monitors /proc/<something> or /dev/<something>
[1:15] <mumbles> http://john.edmondson-uk.com/raspberry-pi
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[1:25] <akulbe> plugwash: I'm just wanting to get python 3.3.0 on Wheezy, if that's possible. There were a lot of updates between the stock 3.2.3 and the current stable 3.3.0
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[1:26] <akulbe> plugwash: I know I can do it from source... but I'd rather stick to as close to a "pure" system as I can
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[1:28] <Toothpick> trying to compile xbmc... does anyone know why i'm getting "windowing/X11/WinSystemX11GLES.h:63:3: error: 'SDL_Surface' does not name a type" ?
[1:29] <markedathome> how mind numbingly BRAINDEAD is the vlc programmers - what on earth is the upnp doing in the playlist|local network|upnp, and not having something in the media | open network...
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[1:30] <blahblahJ> hi
[1:30] <markedathome> "caught in the landslide / no escape from reality"
[1:30] <blahblahJ> looking for some help - my RPI won't connect to my router or internet
[1:30] <linuxstb> markedathome: In my experience, upnp support in vlc is poor. Not only is it hard to find, you need to restart vlc to refresh the data (e.g. when a new file is added on the server).
[1:31] <markedathome> vlc is poorly designed anyway -
[1:31] <blahblahJ> I've tested multiple PSs, current one is 4.96v
[1:32] <markedathome> for example multi-select delete has been broken across many versions in the playlist. rather essential in a media player to remove unwanted tracks/media, don't you think
[1:32] <markedathome> blahblahJ: are you on a console?
[1:32] <markedathome> on the pi
[1:33] <markedathome> type ifconfig
[1:33] <blahblahJ> ok - 2 sec
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[1:34] <Toothpick> TomWij, ping ?
[1:34] <markedathome> you should see eth0 and lo with inet. addr:192.x.x.x bcast:192.x.x.255 mask 255.255.255.0 and 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0 respectively
[1:35] <markedathome> and if you want to move multiple items in the playlist you have to move them twice because it INVERTS the order.
[1:35] <markedathome> where the first 192.x.x.x should be the same as that of your laptop/desktop/ router
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[1:37] <blahblahJ> ok - not seeing 192.xxx
[1:37] <blahblahJ> I am seeing 127.xxx
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[1:38] <markedathome> so you can not see a eth0 interface, just an lo
[1:38] <blahblahJ> I see eth0 and lo. eth0 doesn't have anything resembling an IP address
[1:38] <markedathome> do you have a red, green, two amber lights down the opposite side of the usb cables to that of the ethernet
[1:39] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[1:39] <blahblahJ> Red, 2 green, amber
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[1:40] <vorsaykal> blahblahJ: Either test a new ethernet cable on your Pi, or test that cable on another computer.
[1:41] <blahblahJ> I've tested that cable on another computer many times. Seems to work perfectly on my laptop
[1:41] <markedathome> what does arp -a say?
[1:42] <KiltedPi> is the raspberry pi powered by USB alone?
[1:42] <KiltedPi> I bought the USB hub from maplin
[1:42] <markbook> yep
[1:42] <KiltedPi> yeah?
[1:42] <KiltedPi> Neat.
[1:42] <markbook> You want to have a separate USB power thought
[1:42] <markbook> it really needs 1A
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[1:43] <markbook> powering it from the same hub which is powering devices is fraught with peril
[1:43] <blahblahJ> arp -a does nothing
[1:43] <markbook> though some hubs have "charging ports" which may provide 1A all the time
[1:43] <vorsaykal> blahblahJ: Just checking to make sure, but which distro are you using?
[1:44] <blahblahJ> raspbmc. Tried OpenElec too - same issue
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[1:46] <vorsaykal> blahblahJ: How many amps is your PSU?
[1:46] <KiltedPi> I have this hub:
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[1:46] <KiltedPi> http://www.maplin.co.uk/cerulian-7-port-usb-2.0-triangular-desktop-hub-513864
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[1:47] <KiltedPi> it says it is a 5v adapter
[1:47] <markbook> 5V 1A
[1:47] <markbook> ??
[1:47] <markbook> 1000mA?
[1:48] <blahblahJ> 5v 1A
[1:48] <KiltedPi> doesnt say the amperes
[1:48] <KiltedPi> is that okay then?
[1:48] <blahblahJ> sorry - was trying to confirm without unplugging
[1:48] <KiltedPi> :S
[1:49] <vorsaykal> 1A is often pretty pushy.
[1:50] <blahblahJ> I bought this PS with my RPI, also tried a Samsung, Apple, and generic PS
[1:50] <KiltedPi> is this one i linked okay though? http://www.maplin.co.uk/cerulian-7-port-usb-2.0-triangular-desktop-hub-513864
[1:50] <KiltedPi> Doesnt say the amps
[1:50] <markbook> I can't find a power spec for the cerulian
[1:51] <vorsaykal> Try queueing up a ping then unplugging all your plugged in USB devices. I honestly don't know if it would simply start working even if it was the power, but who knows.
[1:52] <KiltedPi> me neither damn
[1:52] <markbook> THe two separate USB ports are kinda common when they have "quick charge" ports. THose ports will have higher power per port. Without a spec or a multimeter there's no way to know.
[1:52] <vorsaykal> Yesterday my ethernet wasn't working, which I assumed it was power, since I have a gaming keyboard and mouse with lots of lights, so I rebooted it with no USBs, then plugged in just the keyboard to log in and it was fine.
[1:52] <KiltedPi> So i'll need to get a multimeter on this hub for amperes. urgh
[1:52] <vorsaykal> I have 1A.
[1:52] <KiltedPi> vors, are you using the one i linked?
[1:52] <markbook> You certainly can try it with that. The worst it will do is crash and if it's during a write you have to rewrite the SD card.
[1:52] <KiltedPi> http://www.maplin.co.uk/cerulian-7-port-usb-2.0-triangular-desktop-hub-513864
[1:53] <KiltedPi> Ach! sod it then
[1:53] <markbook> hey if you're just getting set up, expect a fair amount of shake down.
[1:53] <blahblahJ> seriously - the RPI is quite a bit more difficult to set up than any linux distro I've done in the past
[1:53] <markbook> blahblahj: I missed the beginning of your conversation.
[1:54] <markedathome> blahblahJ: type ifconfig eth0 down
[1:54] <markbook> I haven't found that, but they do lead you to think that once you have the pi you have everything
[1:54] <markedathome> then ifconfig eth0 up
[1:54] <markbook> and everyone poohpoohs having a serial cable, which I find indispensable
[1:54] <blahblahJ> says operation not permitted
[1:55] <markbook> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[1:55] <markedathome> sudo in fron
[1:55] <blahblahJ> got it
[1:55] <markedathome> *front
[1:55] <vorsaykal> Go the command or internet?
[1:55] <vorsaykal> s/Go/Got/
[1:56] <markedathome> was thinking go the game, or go the language myself :-)
[1:56] <markbook> heh markedathome: your geek is showing.
[1:56] <markedathome> what is the os, and do you have dhcpclient installed?
[1:57] * markedathome looks at this channel
[1:57] <blahblahJ> raspbmc - unsure
[1:57] <blahblahJ> how do I confirm dhcpclient is installed?
[1:58] <vorsaykal> Look at 'apt-cache --help'. I think it's somewhere in there.
[1:58] <markbook> blahblahj: recapping so I'm sure I have context: you have the pi connected to a display, USB keyboard, net cable attached and plugged to a hub or router, link lights on?
[1:58] <markbook> but not getting network in/out?
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[1:59] <blahblahJ> yes. lights are red, green, green, amber
[1:59] <markbook> and on the hub side of the net you have a link light?
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[2:03] <markedathome> cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
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[2:08] <markedathome> what does cat /etc/network/interfaces say, either iface eth0 inet dhcp or iface eth0 inet static
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[2:12] <MachinaeWolf> Is there a different way to get raspbian on the card besides dd, which when I do it, never seems to end up bootable, or bootberry?
[2:12] <KiltedPi> I'm doing this now
[2:12] <KiltedPi> whats dd?
[2:13] <KiltedPi> I used the windows one
[2:13] <MachinaeWolf> linux command to write iso's and img's
[2:13] <mythos> dd is the big brother of cc
[2:13] <KiltedPi> to create the image on my SD card reader
[2:13] <MachinaeWolf> lol mythos
[2:13] <KiltedPi> win32disk imagr
[2:13] <KiltedPi> It doesnt seem to be booting either
[2:13] <KiltedPi> :(
[2:14] <markedathome> dd is disk destroyer.
[2:14] <KiltedPi> Anyone done it from windows?
[2:14] <KiltedPi> windows 7, win32disk imager
[2:14] <markedathome> you are absolutely guaranteed to destroy at least one disk, and only one disk, by mixing up if and of
[2:14] <KiltedPi> could you tell me-
[2:14] <KiltedPi> Whats in the directory?
[2:14] <KiltedPi> on your sd card
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[2:15] <MachinaeWolf> markedathome, I did the command right it just never does right...
[2:15] <KiltedPi> I've got kernel.iso, kernelcutdown.iso...
[2:15] <MachinaeWolf> I did dd if=img of=/dev/sdb1
[2:15] <markedathome> do you needs a bs parameter?
[2:16] <MachinaeWolf> no idea
[2:16] <KiltedPi> So whats in the directory on your SD card then, after successfully putting it on thru dd
[2:16] <MachinaeWolf> looked like nothing, wasn't mountable after ever...
[2:16] <mythos> MachinaeWolf, there is the problem. /dev/sdb1 has an offset. you have to use /dev/sdb (without a partition number)
[2:16] <MachinaeWolf> same thing happened with arch
[2:16] <BurtyB> sounds like you're doing it wrong then tbh
[2:16] <MachinaeWolf> oh really mythos...
[2:16] <mythos> MachinaeWolf, yeah, really
[2:17] <MachinaeWolf> that might've been it then, I'll try that
[2:17] <mythos> MachinaeWolf, your image contains a valid partition table
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[2:17] <MachinaeWolf> I got em from the raspberrypi.org downloads section...
[2:17] <mythos> MachinaeWolf, oh, and use bs=16M at least
[2:17] <MachinaeWolf> oh ok
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[2:18] <mythos> or 64M ... something that speeds it up
[2:18] <MachinaeWolf> k
[2:19] <mythos> soo... now back to ponys
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[2:19] <s5fs> any good links for using angstrom with rpi?
[2:19] <markedathome> blahblahJ: if /etc/network/interfaces is empty then a straight ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.x mask 255.255.255.0
[2:20] <markedathome> sudo of course, then route add default gw 192.168.x.x where x.x is the router ip.
[2:20] <markedathome> that will at least get ip level access up
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[2:23] <timmmaaaayyy> i want my next raspberry pi project to be a nintendo emulator. anyone here already doing that? ehat would you reccomend?
[2:23] <markedathome> which nintendo?
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[2:24] <markedathome> and that would possibly be retropie?
[2:24] <timmmaaaayyy> regular nintendo
[2:24] <timmmaaaayyy> i'll check out retro pi
[2:24] <timmmaaaayyy> thanks!
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[2:25] <markedathome> oh nice, a gpio driver for connecing snes controllers
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[2:28] <s5fs> the retropie stuff is super cool, and is also on my project list (like everyone else, haha!)
[2:29] <gregunderscorem> so I've successfully set up a headless pi, but now I'm not really sure what to do with it... does anyone have any fun project suggestions?
[2:29] <s5fs> i built a mame cabinet several years ago, that was pretty awesome. crazy how much easier stuff is now
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[2:29] <s5fs> gregunderscorem: web server
[2:29] <s5fs> gregunderscorem: home automation
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[2:29] <SourceSlayer> Is there a touch screen I could use with the raspberry pi?
[2:29] <markedathome> gregunderscorem: what are your interests? can you solder?
[2:29] <s5fs> gregunderscorem: add speakers and text-to-speech software, add a web interface and talk to your living room from anywhere
[2:30] <markedathome> SourceSlayer: there are a few depending on size, and where you are
[2:30] <markedathome> depends on whether it is straight usb plug in or spi / i2c driven
[2:30] <gregunderscorem> marked: yes I can solder, and my interests are pretty varied, I would like to keep it busy most of the time as I hate so see it idle, but other than that I'm open to suggestion
[2:30] <joat> gregunderscorem: look at the liquidsoap packages
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[2:31] <gregunderscorem> joat: what are those about?
[2:31] <moebius_eye> Hello all
[2:31] <SourceSlayer> markedathome: I live in the US, though I'm okay with either.
[2:31] <joat> automated music/video station with transitions and jingles
[2:31] <moebius_eye> I'v been looking for a cheap display for my Rpi.
[2:31] <markedathome> adafruit have some i think
[2:31] <joat> can also break in with live stream
[2:31] <moebius_eye> And I thought: what about a digital frame.
[2:31] <moebius_eye> People sell it for around $10
[2:32] <SourceSlayer> markedathome: Thanks, I'll look into it.
[2:32] <markedathome> there is also some car reversing video monitor with composite video in + resistive screen about 30-50 bucks
[2:32] <markedathome> i think the resolution is around 640 x 400
[2:32] <markedathome> but they are 4inch
[2:32] <moebius_eye> Yeah, that would be my second choice.
[2:33] <moebius_eye> Some of the digital frames are 7inch!
[2:33] <moebius_eye> People get them for birthdays and holidays, and they don't know what to do with it.
[2:34] <moebius_eye> So they sell it for nothing.
[2:34] <MachinaeWolf> hey that worked mythos thanks :)
[2:34] <gregunderscorem> joat: so I essentially create my own internet radio station?
[2:34] <mythos> MachinaeWolf, ;)
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[2:38] <joat> basically
[2:38] <gregunderscorem> cool, I'll look into it thanks!
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[2:39] <joat> I'm looking at seeing if I can get Etherpad Lite to work with Publican or Docbook on the Pi
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[2:45] <MachinaeWolf> What does overscan do...?
[2:46] <markedathome> in the config.txt?
[2:47] <mythos> MachinaeWolf, most tvs do cut the image on the borders (or better: zoom in a little). that's what overscan means
[2:47] <MachinaeWolf> Oh so enable or leave it be?
[2:48] <mythos> MachinaeWolf, depends on your setup
[2:48] <markedathome> depends on how close to the edge of the screen the output is
[2:48] <MachinaeWolf> well it's a bit cut off
[2:48] <MachinaeWolf> on the left when you get to command prompt
[2:48] <MachinaeWolf> er tty*
[2:48] <markedathome> details here http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[2:49] <dr_willis> some tvs have an overscan disable option also
[2:50] <dr_willis> what distro was it i saw that asked if you could see bluebars and other questions at first boot? it let you determine the settings you needed easily
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[2:51] <markedathome> one of the raspbmc / openelec builds?
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[2:51] <markedathome> plan 9? :-)
[2:51] <dr_willis> ive tried so many i cant remember now
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[2:52] <dr_willis> hopefully they all will start borrowing the best ideas from each ottther soon.
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[2:57] <markedathome> does anyone know of a decent remote similar to an apple tv remote for around 10ukp? or less
[2:57] <Olipro> what's a UKP
[2:58] <Olipro> Ukranian P---?
[2:58] <dr_willis> amazon has a lot of remote/mini keybords
[2:58] <markedathome> UK pound
[2:58] <Olipro> so, GBP
[2:58] <dr_willis> for around $10 us
[2:58] <Olipro> why not just buy an infrared LED and wire it up to a PIC or Atmel
[2:59] <dr_willis> got a remote that has a mouse feature - works ok. but needs a 'c' button for xbmc to be better
[2:59] <Olipro> DIY universal remote
[2:59] <dr_willis> with a bt dongle i hear you can use a wii controller as a remote ;)
[2:59] <markedathome> needs to have minimal controls, but not so minimal it is just something to throw at the tv... :-)
[3:00] <markedathome> dr_willis: do you need a sensor bar?
[3:00] <blahblahJ> my TV supports CEC - is that not sufficient?
[3:00] <markedathome> i don't have a tv, just a monitor.
[3:00] <markedathome> well monitor(s)
[3:01] <dr_willis> markedathome: not tried it. so no idea.
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[3:10] <markedathome> for the snes guy earlier, use snes cartridges on the pi http://hackaday.com/2013/01/04/turning-a-raspberry-pi-into-an-snes/
[3:10] <vorsaykal> Oh my god.
[3:10] <markbook> heh
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[3:11] <markedathome> 35 mins to read a cartridge! back to the old days of tape loading.... brrrr...booop, brrrr..........
[3:12] <vorsaykal> I have a spare SNES somewhere... This is very tempting.
[3:12] <plugwash> I2C is slow
[3:12] <vorsaykal> Does the reader just check what game it is and load it off an drive, or does it actually use the cartridge?
[3:12] <plugwash> if you must use expanders then i'd be looking at SPI
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[3:17] <markbook> wow tape
[3:18] <atouk> someone should definitely port casette basic to teh pi ;)
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[3:19] <markbook> well there are certainly basics that should port easily
[3:19] <markbook> but Apple BASIC on a 6502 emulator...
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[3:19] <atouk> trs-80 emulator
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[3:23] <markbook> heretic!
[3:23] <dr_willis> cpm!
[3:23] <markbook> we've been trumped
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[3:23] <markbook> though a true master would spell it CP/M
[3:23] <dr_willis> i got no / key.... on my phone
[3:24] <dr_willis> ;)
[3:24] <markbook> heh
[3:24] <atouk> hmmm gpio pins to imsai switch panel...
[3:24] <markedathome> then how does the phone browse the web? how do you /j a channel?
[3:25] <dr_willis> markedathome: missed the joke..
[3:25] <dr_willis> how did i type...
[3:25] <dr_willis> i got no / key.... on my phone
[3:26] <markedathome> alt-gr + numpad obviously!
[3:26] <dr_willis> ;) this bt keybord is missing a lot of special characters however
[3:26] <dr_willis> numpad? nah
[3:26] <markedathome> like all the Upper case chars?
[3:26] <dr_willis> i still havent got bt working keybord on the pi.
[3:27] <dr_willis> i got no tilda key, and many special characters are not on it.
[3:27] <markedathome> hcitool scan nothing doing. apt-get install bluetooth 75MB (Y/n)!!
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[3:28] <markedathome> which phone os?
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[3:28] <markedathome> if android get the hacker keyboard
[3:28] <dr_willis> i installed more then just hcitool. ;) it saw a keybord. i never got it paird. got some weird error..
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[3:28] <vorsaykal> I second the hacker keyboard. It lets me use vim!
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[3:28] <dr_willis> im using a real physical bt keybord
[3:28] <markedathome> a rii?
[3:29] <dr_willis> might hav been. i covered the label /back with thin foam to make it not rock around
[3:29] <dr_willis> and put a nfc tab under the foam to turn on bt. ;)
[3:30] <dr_willis> nfc tag.
[3:31] <dr_willis> the little keybord is starting to wear a bit. it often repeats to much
[3:31] <dr_willis> but im used to it and can type decently fast
[3:31] <markedathome> http://riiminikeyboards.com/
[3:31] <markedathome> one of those? ^^
[3:32] <Tachyon`> do not get teh rii for the pi
[3:32] <Tachyon`> I stupidly bought two of them
[3:32] <Tachyon`> a good fit for the job they were not
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[3:33] <dr_willis> mine works well on my bt phone
[3:33] <Tachyon`> they work well until you start to move them around,then they don't
[3:33] <dr_willis> its the 33o model
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[3:33] <dr_willis> this one has taken a beating
[3:33] <Tachyon`> at one point, mine wouldn't work the pi something like 3 feet from it, but at another point it'd work from the next room
[3:33] <atouk> signal loss?
[3:33] <dr_willis> im usint bt. not usb however
[3:34] <Tachyon`> well, whatever it is it's too inconsistent for me to use
[3:34] <Tachyon`> ah, mine are the wifi USB noes
[3:34] <Tachyon`> well, wireless should I say
[3:34] <dr_willis> picked up an ipazzport for my pi today. will test it later today
[3:35] <Tachyon`> the only keyboard I managed to buy for the pi that was any good has now been discontinued
[3:35] <dr_willis> its harder to type on then this mii 330
[3:35] <Tachyon`> which is a Periboard-706W
[3:35] <Tachyon`> but small it is not
[3:35] <atouk> i got a logitech kbd mouse combo kit at staples for $20 that works good
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[3:35] <Tachyon`> yeah, this is a laptop size keyboard with built in trackball
[3:36] <dr_willis> i have motorolla bt keybords on clearance for $13 ;)
[3:36] <Tachyon`> I didn't want seperate keyboard/mouse as it's primarily used as a media machine atm and using a mouseo n my knee while watching video tends not to work too well -.o
[3:37] <markedathome> oh dear god, I've just found worldofspectrum has hisoft devpac, c and pascal...
[3:38] <Tachyon`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Perixx-PERIBOARD-706W-Wireless-Trackball-Keyboard/dp/B00467H4EI
[3:38] <Tachyon`> ah, devpac
[3:38] <Tachyon`> I used to use that
[3:38] <Tachyon`> on the speccy and later the amiga/st
[3:38] <Tachyon`> YS gave away devpac at one point (but I think you had to pay for the manual if you needed one)
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[3:38] <vorsaykal> Man, I feel young. =(
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[3:39] <Tachyon`> I attempted to contact HiSoft a year or two ago to get permission to use their spectrum devpac for something but they never replaced (was trying to create a build it yourself educational Z80 based machine actually, although it's all moot now with the rise of the Pi etc.)
[3:39] <Tachyon`> replied*
[3:40] <markedathome> i had hisoft lattice c 5 and 5.5 for the st
[3:40] <Tachyon`> ah, I wasn't using C that early
[3:40] <markedathome> along with a protar 50 hard disk
[3:41] <Tachyon`> hisoft basic and devpac in the main on the ST etc., actually it wasn't hiisoft, it was called power basic but it seemed the same as hisoft basic...
[3:42] <Tachyon`> shame we'll never get away with the sort of bare metal coding we did on the amiga on the Pi (although that might be a bit more liekly if they'd fully document everything, heh)
[3:43] <dr_willis> i still miss many of the features amigaos had.
[3:43] <atouk> fat agnus on the pi!!!!
[3:43] <dr_willis> ham mode!
[3:45] <markedathome> i miss where we would be software wise if the business world hadn't wanted backwards compatability at the expense of forward planning.
[3:46] <dr_willis> curse them for wanting things that worked and were reliable. ;)
[3:47] <atouk> we need psygnosis to write games for the pi
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[3:50] <markedathome> tim stamper
[3:50] <markedathome> rafaelle cecco
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[3:52] <Tachyon`> hrm
[3:53] <Tachyon`> there's a smell of vented cap in here
[3:53] <Tachyon`> adn everything seems to be working
[3:53] <atouk> matter of fact. tarantula is on and made me think of It Came From The Desert
[3:53] <Tachyon`> ah, psygnosi
[3:53] <Tachyon`> the shadow of the beasts were some of my favourites
[3:53] <atouk> roger dean art on the cover, and a tshirt in the box
[3:54] <Tachyon`> ah, t-shirts in the box, never fit, lol
[3:54] <Tachyon`> they're usually designed for people a little larger than I am
[3:54] <dr_willis> i saw there was a rereleased 'carrier command' on steam the other day
[3:54] <Tachyon`> hrm, never like d that game
[3:55] <Tachyon`> then again I had a spectrum when it came out
[3:55] <Tachyon`> I might have liked it a lot better on an amiga
[3:55] <atouk> remember Cult?
[3:55] <Tachyon`> the company?
[3:55] <atouk> the came
[3:55] <Tachyon`> hrm, no
[3:55] <atouk> (game)
[3:56] <Tachyon`> for some reason I thought it was an independent software company, although perhaps it was that too
[3:56] <atouk> it started by a couple of brothers in the UK
[3:56] <Tachyon`> I used to prefer RPG games (still do actually)
[3:56] <Tachyon`> rebelstar, lords of chaos etc.
[3:56] <atouk> there was a really great space sim on it, adn i can't remember the name
[3:57] <Tachyon`> don't suppose those games would pass muster now but they did the joy when I was at boarding school
[3:57] <Tachyon`> epic?
[3:57] <Tachyon`> although I remember that more for the excellent intro than the game
[3:57] <Tachyon`> (which you only got if you had a 1MiB machine)
[3:57] <Tachyon`> intro took up a whole disk and if you didn't have a meg you didn't even get to see it, lol
[3:57] <Tachyon`> (Epic)
[3:58] <atouk> game sarted with the first missions being training missions on navigation, weapons, etc
[3:58] <Tachyon`> I dunno, I only really played /the/ space sim game
[3:59] <Tachyon`> which I ported to pandora a year or two ago and won't be porting to the pi as braben will sue the crap out of me
[3:59] <atouk> and i can' tcount how many mice my kids wore out playing shufflepuck cafe
[3:59] <Tachyon`> ah, that one I remember, on the ST
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[4:00] <Tachyon`> although at that time I was at school myself, I suspect you might have a decade on me
[4:00] <atouk> games were a lot more playable and a lot more diverse. now every other game is a wwII sim
[4:00] <Tachyon`> I did prefer the old machine though, they were essentially the same
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[4:00] <Tachyon`> so you could get away with a lot re bare metal coding
[4:00] <Tachyon`> can't do any of that now -.-
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[4:01] <Tachyon`> even the pi has decided to appear in three variants so you can count only on 256MB and one USB
[4:01] <Tachyon`> I'm not fond of FPS games, I prefer RPGs
[4:01] <Tachyon`> mind you, you could say every FF game is the same story but I still pay for them
[4:01] <Tachyon`> speaking of which, wonder if 13-3 is out yet
[4:02] <Tachyon`> ah right, no, coming some time this year
[4:02] <Tachyon`> just as welel, I've not even finished 13 yet and 13-2 is sat here waiting
[4:02] <Tachyon`> I don't like 13, it's too linear
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[4:21] <dr_willis> been playing zelda - skyward sword here on my wii since xmas. ;)
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[4:39] <Tachyon`> bah, I need an A4000
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[4:40] <mdszy> markbook, that's an interesting nickname
[4:41] <mdszy> seeing as how it's the hostname I gave to my Macbook :v
[4:41] <mdszy> interesting coincidence
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[4:55] <timmmaaaayyy> i guess installing EVERYTHING in retropi was a bad idea???.. 3 hours later and we're still going
[4:55] <timmmaaaayyy> lol
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[4:56] <s5fs> timmmaaaayyy: yeah, i've compiled exactly one thing on the pi itself and have since vowed 'never again'
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[4:56] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[4:56] <s5fs> SSilver2k2: hi
[4:56] <timmmaaaayyy> lol
[4:57] <SSilver2k2> anyone in here have any luck getting an xbox 360 wired controller working on the Pi
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[4:59] <monkeymon> havent tried.
[4:59] <s5fs> SSilver2k2: i haven't tried either, sorry.
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[5:02] <[deXter]> SSilver2k2, it should work fine
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[5:04] <SSilver2k2> it should
[5:05] <SSilver2k2> i plug it in and all it does is have the leds blink
[5:05] <SSilver2k2> i wonder if its because its a 3rd party xbox controller
[5:06] <mdszy> I have
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[5:06] <mdszy> It works really well with xboxdrv
[5:06] <[deXter]> that could be the reason, SSilver2k2 . But have you tried installing xboxdrv?
[5:06] <mdszy> however, I can't get it to work with xbmc for the strangest reason
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[5:07] <mdszy> but yeah, SSilver2k2, try xboxdrv
[5:08] <mdszy> super simple and quite amazing
[5:11] <SSilver2k2> LMAO...i have my Elo touchscreen hooked up to my Pi
[5:11] <SSilver2k2> its detecting the touchscreen as a driver
[5:12] <SSilver2k2> when i try jstest
[5:12] <SSilver2k2> touchscreen as a joystick*
[5:12] <SSilver2k2> whoops :D
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[5:40] <ParkerR_> Gotta love the electronics so cheap that you partially don't trust them http://imgur.com/a/bxIwo
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[5:43] <clear`> does it work?
[5:43] <ParkerR_> Yeah
[5:43] <clear`> awesome, how cheap?
[5:45] <ParkerR_> 15 bucks
[5:45] <ParkerR_> Local mom and pop markup
[5:45] <clear`> oh i was thinking $5 :P
[5:45] <ParkerR_> Yeah
[5:46] <ParkerR_> But I saw it and I needed one
[5:46] <ParkerR_> So
[5:46] <ParkerR_> XD
[5:47] <clear`> lol
[5:47] <clear`> i need a lot of things
[5:47] <s5fs> $35 computer with $200 in accessories haha
[5:47] <clear`> for sure
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[5:48] <s5fs> i got my second pi today, setting up angstrom right now
[5:49] <ParkerR_> Nice
[5:49] <s5fs> agreed, it'll be nice to have one working and one to work on
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[5:54] <Prime326> I've set up arch linux on my pi and want to change the CPU/GPU memory split since I'm running it headless. I know that to do this I have to copy over /boot/start.elf, but the image doesn't contain the alternative files in this directory. Are they located elsewhere or do I have to extract them from another image?
[5:55] <kristof> Prime326: I don't know what directories they would be in if they weren't in /boot
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[5:58] <john_f> Prime326: don't need them http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup#Additional_files_supplied_by_the_foundation
[6:00] <piney> Newark has raspberry pi's in stock, just ordered 2. the 'free shipping on orders over $100' coupon code that expired jan 3'rd is still active too if anyone is interested.
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[6:01] <ParkerR_> Prime326, All you have to do is add gpu_mem=128 or whatever value you want to /boot/config.txt
[6:02] <ParkerR_> Make sure firmware is updated https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[6:08] <monkeymon> hi guys
[6:08] <ParkerR_> Hello
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[6:08] <monkeymon> im looking to set up an rpi as a radius server. any thoughts on raspian vs arch linux? major differences?
[6:09] <Prime326> john_f: thanks!
[6:10] <Prime326> ParkerR_: I didn't realize I might need to update the firmware, I assume adding the option won't do any damage if it doesn't work?
[6:10] <ParkerR_> Nope
[6:10] <ParkerR_> Just wont do anything if firmware is old
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[6:13] <atouk> latest firmware update looks like almost everythign got updated by the amount of stuff scrolling in terminal
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[6:14] <Prime326> ah that's much better...
[6:14] <TAFB> atouk, is your Pi page hostest on your pi anywhere? I went to your old ip:8000 but she was not there.
[6:14] <atouk> 8001
[6:15] <sheldor> monkeymon: raspbian is not stable
[6:15] <atouk> http://69.126.35.213:8000/
[6:15] <Prime326> ParkerR_: I set it to use only 64MB for the GPU, but if I'm running headless how low could I set it?
[6:16] <ParkerR_> GPU needs some to run
[6:16] <ParkerR_> I think 32 is the bare minimum
[6:16] <risc> hi all
[6:16] <sheldor> Prime326: 16
[6:16] <TAFB> thanks atouk :)
[6:16] <ParkerR_> Ahh 16
[6:16] <sheldor> 16 is the official minimum
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[6:17] <Prime326> what happens if I set it lower than that?
[6:17] <sheldor> never tried. actually i dont know if it is the official minimum, it is just the official value set during rpi-update
[6:17] <TAFB> Prime326: nothin. I had mine set at 1, still used 16 :)
[6:17] <sheldor> atouk: wow i like that animation
[6:17] <atouk> not mine
[6:18] <ParkerR_> Prime326, Oh now that I think of it I think arch keeps up with firmware updtes
[6:18] <sheldor> atouk: what is the original source?
[6:18] <atouk> "borowed" it
[6:18] <ParkerR_> No need for rpi-update
[6:18] <ParkerR_> *updates
[6:18] <atouk> don't know . otherwise i'd give attribution
[6:20] <akulbe> sheldor: what's not stable about raspbian?
[6:20] <sheldor> akulbe: it is based on the unstable debian release 'wheezy'
[6:21] <sheldor> akulbe: which is officialy 'unstable'
[6:21] <akulbe> sheldor: have you experienced any instability yet? :)
[6:21] <sheldor> officially*
[6:21] <sheldor> akulbe: well it lacks some security fixes for one
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[6:22] <sheldor> so running it as a server is not the best idea
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[6:22] <atouk> people runnnign pis really aren't looking for nuke hardened devices. it's a utility/educational/hobbyist/toy platform
[6:23] <sheldor> atouk: no that is a broad generalization, monkeymon was planning to run it as a radius server
[6:23] <sheldor> which is one of the most critical servers you can run
[6:24] <s5fs> sheldor: true, but a radius server is rarely internet-facing
[6:24] <sheldor> how is this relevant s5fs?
[6:24] <atouk> then instead of complaining about the "unstable" release, maybe spend a few more bucks and get something more "secure"
[6:24] <s5fs> it lowers the attack vector, meaning you can probably go a bit longer between patches, safely
[6:25] <sheldor> atouk: who is complaining?
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[6:25] <sheldor> s5fs: no it doesnt, all radius servers run locally
[6:25] <sheldor> therefore the attack vector was never larger
[6:26] <sheldor> obviously you are not saying all radius servers require no security are you?
[6:26] <s5fs> hosts on a lan only are much less vulnerable than hosts on the public internet, thats all i'm saying
[6:26] <sheldor> because radius servers are one of the most critical servers in your lan
[6:26] <atouk> don't use it for this, don't use it for that, it's "oficially" unstable sounds like complaining
[6:27] <sheldor> s5fs: that is a broad and uninformed generalization, far all you know the "lan" might be hundreds or thousands of random participants
[6:27] <sheldor> actually the requirement of a radius server in the first place suggests it is fairly large
[6:27] <s5fs> now you're just spouting bs, are you trolling me?
[6:27] <sheldor> atouk: i dont see how stating facts is complaining
[6:27] <sheldor> s5fs: no, but you either are trolling or ignorant
[6:28] <s5fs> i've set up a few radius servers, it's not rocket surgery and it's not super special in any way.
[6:28] <sheldor> s5fs: relevant to what i said how?
[6:29] <sheldor> atouk: note that there are stable options on the rpi: for example arch
[6:29] <sheldor> which was one option in the original question
[6:31] <Prime326> wait arch is "stable" now?
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[6:31] <Torikun> yo
[6:31] <atouk> if the pi doesn't meet your needs, spend more than the 35 bucks and move on instead of parking in here and #raspian telling anyone that will listen how insecure it is for what YOU need to do. it's perfectly fine for my needs, and 99% of the poeple in here.
[6:31] <sheldor> Prime326: how isnt it?
[6:32] <sheldor> atouk: not sure why you think i am complaining or it doesnt meet my needs
[6:32] <sheldor> it is a great device
[6:32] <sheldor> i love it
[6:32] <s5fs> sheldor: i dunno man, you just kind of come across as having a shitty attitude. i'm sure atouk knows what i'm saying. its like you're picking fights with us.
[6:32] <clear`> lol
[6:33] <sheldor> but you should know its limits
[6:33] <clear`> atouk: it needs more ram!
[6:33] <clear`> and it needs a sata port for an ssd, instead of the sd card!
[6:33] <dr_willis> moar powar!
[6:33] <sheldor> especially if you plan to run it as a production server
[6:33] <atouk> no, if you need more ram, you need a different platform
[6:33] <Prime326> sheldor: it's not unstable, but saying it's inherently more stable than a debian fork is silly
[6:33] <clear`> oh, moar powarrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!
[6:33] <TAFB> clear`: I love dem sata ports! http://tafb.yi.org
[6:33] <TAFB> and it works great on 128mb ram ;)
[6:33] <sheldor> Prime326: not it isnt because it is officially inherently more stable according to the developers
[6:33] <clear`> production server on a $35 board?!
[6:33] <clear`> lol
[6:33] <clear`> really
[6:33] <TAFB> now running exim, citadel, webmail, etc :)
[6:33] <clear`> thats funny sheldor
[6:33] <dr_willis> moar gaga-fights
[6:33] <s5fs> clear`: hi-end engineering
[6:34] <atouk> the pi was developed for a specific purpose. educational platform
[6:34] <sheldor> Prime326: the debian developers explicitly discourage using unstable wheezy for anything production related
[6:34] <sheldor> clear`: how is it funny
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[6:34] <risc> IMHO sheldor is bringing up valid points, points that have me looking on google to see if Raspbian does track any of the security fixes available on the Debian repos :P
[6:34] <sheldor> clear`: monkeymon was planning to use it as such. "production" doesnt require high load
[6:34] <SpeedEvil> anyone using a pi for critical servers, with the known soldering, USB lockuo and network bugs, is insane.
[6:34] <risc> but sure keep calling him a troll ;)
[6:34] <SpeedEvil> IMO
[6:34] <Prime326> sheldor: and people discourage using arch for production for the same reason, not that it matters for the pi
[6:35] <SpeedEvil> this does not make the pi close to useless.
[6:35] <clear`> the pi is awesome
[6:35] <clear`> but like everything, it has limitations
[6:35] <Prime326> SpeedEvil: exactly
[6:35] <sheldor> risc: yeah i guess it is some protection instinct akin to that of a mother toward its child
[6:35] <sheldor> i love rpi
[6:35] <sheldor> it is a great child
[6:35] <sheldor> no doubt about that
[6:35] <s5fs> i bought a pi because i didn't wanna drop $90 on a beaglebone
[6:36] <sheldor> just dont let it do everything
[6:36] <sheldor> toward her child* lol
[6:36] <Torikun> how can you male
[6:36] <Torikun> how can you make Apache use less memory
[6:37] <Torikun> each request keeps a process open for awhile
[6:37] <Torikun> congrats on getting citadel up tafb
[6:37] <TAFB> Torikun: I know how ;)
[6:37] <Torikun> how tafb lol
[6:37] <TAFB> Torikun: uninstall it and install nginx :)
[6:38] <Torikun> haha would it be east transition
[6:38] <TAFB> thanks Torikun, citadel is working AMAZING! Runs fast too.
[6:38] <atouk> the pi is not a full platform machine. even expecting it to run apache as if it is means the user is starting with an ill conceived idea of what he wants and what the pi is capable of
[6:38] <TAFB> Torikun: I'm no expert, but nginx was easy easy to set up. Are you using virtual hosts?
[6:38] <sheldor> SpeedEvil: what kind of network bugs do you mean?
[6:39] <s5fs> atouk: what are you using the pi for?
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> sheldor: for some people, USB networking just locks up occasionally
[6:39] <Torikun> no
[6:39] <atouk> depends on what time of the day you ask me.
[6:39] <sheldor> SpeedEvil: what is usb networking exactly?
[6:39] <Torikun> something I wanna learn
[6:39] <SpeedEvil> the network chip is connected over USB
[6:39] <TAFB> Torikun: then it'd be super easy :) nginx + php-fpm + mysql = way faster than apache :)
[6:40] <Torikun> OK will give it a go . apache killing pie
[6:40] <clear`> i bet
[6:40] <TAFB> Torikun: sounds good man, if you need help getting PHP working just ask, it's a little funny.
[6:40] <clear`> apache can kill servers that are meant for being a webhost :P
[6:40] <sheldor> oh i see SpeedEvil
[6:40] <clear`> i want to try nginx, but i havent just yet
[6:40] <sheldor> TAFB: nice sounds good
[6:40] <sheldor> i have to try nginx too
[6:41] <s5fs> i'm using node.js for my web server
[6:41] <sheldor> apache+php+sqlite is kinda slow
[6:41] <atouk> let me give it a go. unrealistic expectations if making apache performance seem sub par.
[6:41] <atouk> (of making)
[6:41] <sheldor> why exactly is apache so slow on the pi?
[6:41] <TAFB> Torikun: I will make you up a little text file with the install instructions. Are you using arch?
[6:42] <risc> sheldor: I can see no reason for it to be, unless the rest of the OS is a bloat service running fest, I've run an AMP stack (OpenBSD) on a Soekris net6501 and that was only 600MHz with 512MB of RAM, it ran fine
[6:43] <risc> *fine = acceptable given the hardware :P
[6:44] <sheldor> hm weird risc, i also epxerienced it is pretty slow
[6:44] <sheldor> but i dont see a reason either
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[6:45] <piney> sheldor, you could try php-fpm with apache instead of mod_php, or have you?
[6:45] <atouk> and as far as apache performance goes. the pi has a better weight to horsepower ratio than almost any other computer out there
[6:45] <sheldor> oh thanks i am using mod_php
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[6:46] <sheldor> piney: why is that slower?
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[6:47] <piney> php-fpm is a newer way of integrating with a web server, it runs like it's own service using a port or unix socket, instead of being integrated with apache
[6:48] <atouk> besides there are exactly three ICs on the pi. everyone knows that a real apache server needs at least 4
[6:48] <risc> :)
[6:49] <piney> with mod_php say you have a php page that requires apache to use 5mb ram each time it loads. now, anytime that apache serves even a 'hello' world web page, it will use a process that consumes 5mb ram to serve that hello world web page
[6:49] <piney> having 20 or so processes multiplies this problem
[6:49] <piney> having apache (or another web server) offload this handling to php-fpm is a much cleaner way
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[6:50] <sheldor> nice
[6:50] <sheldor> i should probably try nginx + php-fpm
[6:51] <s5fs> has anyone tried lighttpd? i was running that on beagleboards for a while
[6:51] <piney> i'm an nginx user myself
[6:51] <TAFB> i'm running php-fpm on a 100% constant loop in a bash script, to convert dynamic php pages to static html. It opens up three processes using about 4mb each and 2.5% cpu each when under full "php load" :) That's why my status page can load so fast and serve 1600 hits per second :) http://tafb.yi.org/
[6:52] <s5fs> TAFB: impressive!
[6:52] <TAFB> yep, works great
[6:52] <TAFB> I can't wait to try it with wordless or drupal
[6:52] <sheldor> cool TAFB
[6:52] <sheldor> TAFB: with nginx?
[6:52] <sheldor> nice status page too
[6:53] <TAFB> yep, nginx + php-fpm (no mysql yet)
[6:53] <piney> php-fpm has this fairly new process manager too called ondemand. it will launch the processes as needed instead of having the processes open all the time.
[6:53] <TAFB> thanks, I put a lot of work into it :)
[6:54] <piney> TAFB, have you looked in to chrooting php-fpm to a user / directory to prevent it from needing root to access the exec() stuff? i think it can be done, but didn't try yet on the pi
[6:54] <clear`> wordless
[6:54] <TAFB> going to work on getting rid of phpChart, it's a huge drain on resources and I can't get it to dynamically update anyway, plus there's already a cpu usage bar :)
[6:54] <sheldor> cool the source is available
[6:54] <sheldor> thanks TAFB
[6:54] <clear`> TAFB: http://www.sugarcrm.com/download-sugarcrm-community-edition-free-b
[6:54] <clear`> see if you can get that setup :D
[6:55] <TAFB> sheldor: the source is primarily for the Pi running Wheezy.
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[6:55] <TAFB> clear`: Why the GM logo :( *puke*
[6:55] <sheldor> i am running wheezy too because i dont need a production server
[6:55] <clear`> GM uses sugar crm
[6:55] <TAFB> I just spend $8000 on my GM car 3 months out of warranty, for a problem they admitted causing :( lol
[6:56] <clear`> a lot of big companies do
[6:56] <clear`> damn
[6:56] * TAFB boycotts sugarcrm/GM
[6:56] <atouk> what is sugar/crm
[6:57] * piney is too broke to finish building my engine for the GM atm :(
[6:57] <clear`> customer relation management software
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[6:58] <atouk> if you need a computer to tell you how to manage customer relations, you ain't doing it right
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[6:58] <TAFB> piney: that sucks :( I had to go with a brand spanking new engine, for my 07 Cobalt SS/SC :( This is why: http://ecuflashking.com/GM%20TECH%20AIP3252%20-%20FOR%20INTERNAL%20USE%20ONLY.pdf
[6:59] <piney> mine's a vortec 6.0 lq4 with lq9 flat top pistons, and a 6.2 intake going in a 2000 s-10 blazer with an nv4500 trans
[6:59] <piney> huge money pit
[6:59] <clear`> atouk: it keeps up with notes and such
[6:59] <TAFB> piney: yikes
[6:59] <clear`> agreements, invoices etc...
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[7:00] <piney> TAFB, u program GM stuff?
[7:00] <TAFB> nope, just motorcycles
[7:01] <piney> my bike has points, so no need there :)
[7:01] <TAFB> lol
[7:01] <piney> TAFB, that looks like a pain to change in that small of a vehicle
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[7:02] <TAFB> piney: yep, and my broke right in half, dumped all the valves right through the pistons, needed a new engine, and cause it locked the engine up solid it shattered the clutch too, so new clutch, engine then a bunch of other parts to replace the gm garbage
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[7:03] <piney> oh no. interference motor :(
[7:03] <Torikun> I need mysql for drupAl . ngix won't cut it ?
[7:03] <TAFB> Torikun: nginx can run with mysql add-on
[7:03] <TAFB> piney: VERY interference engine. even if the timing chain is a HAIR stretched = kaboom
[7:04] <Torikun> any way to tweak apache?
[7:04] <piney> drupal should work with either web server, but you still need a sql server
[7:05] <atouk> define "tweak"
[7:05] <Torikun> sqllite probably
[7:05] <Torikun> make apache not keep so many httopd ptrocrsses open after site loasds
[7:05] <sheldor> are there any use cases where apache is better than nginx?
[7:05] <sheldor> seems like nginx beats apache in everything
[7:05] <Torikun> http://rusher81572.com/?q=node/5
[7:07] <sheldor> i need a linux mascot too :)
[7:07] <Torikun> lol
[7:07] <atouk> torikun, is that running on a pi?
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[7:08] <risc> sheldor: I like that little red daemon
[7:08] <risc> the 1 with the pitch fork :P
[7:08] <sheldor> hehe
[7:08] <Torikun> yes atouk
[7:09] <atouk> careful, the pi is insecure and unstable ;)
[7:09] <Torikun> what you mean lol
[7:09] <s5fs> atouk: me too man
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[7:09] <atouk> and close taht deawer all the way. slob
[7:09] <Torikun> hahahahaha
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[7:10] <atouk> what's the medal on the left
[7:10] <Torikun> an air force medal I got
[7:10] <Torikun> acheivment
[7:10] <atouk> ah congrats
[7:10] <Torikun> ty
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[7:11] <Torikun> pi is in the blue bix
[7:12] <Torikun> box
[7:12] <risc> Oi Pi dudes http://postimage.org/image/tx89y0l75/ - got my Adafruit Pibow... sweet!
[7:12] <Torikun> next to cisco
[7:12] <atouk> i don't even have mine in a proper case. just one of the fold up paper ones
[7:12] <Torikun> BH ice case
[7:12] <Torikun> nice CX case risc
[7:13] <risc> man I think your websites crashed ;)
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[7:13] * risc clicks link and waits... and waits :)
[7:13] <risc> put another stick of RAM in that Pi :)
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[7:13] <timmmaaaayyy> you linux guru's out there??????..how does the ssh authorized keys file work if the ssh_config files has this: #AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys
[7:13] <sheldor> i dont even have a paper case
[7:13] <sheldor> but why would i, it is unstable anyway
[7:14] <Torikun> lol it works RISC lol
[7:14] <Torikun> apache needs to use less memory lol
[7:14] <atouk> http://www.iammer.com/raspi/raspberryPiCase-Final.pdf
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[7:14] <atouk> there ya go. paper case template
[7:14] <sheldor> timmmaaaayyy: you just paste your public key into the file
[7:14] <risc> Torikun: boot everyone except that 1 person from .au land so I can have a look around :)
[7:14] <sheldor> nice i shall use that paper case
[7:15] <s5fs> timmmaaaayyy: it should only have the keys in the file, or comments
[7:15] <timmmaaaayyy> sheldor: i have it working???.but it's commented out int he sshd_config, so why is it working
[7:15] <sheldor> timmmaaaayyy: default location
[7:15] <timmmaaaayyy> oh. so that would only be for if i wanted to change it?
[7:15] <sheldor> yes
[7:16] <timmmaaaayyy> rog. thanks
[7:16] <sheldor> risc: did you just hack Torikun?
[7:17] <Torikun> I hope not lol
[7:17] <Torikun> I don't understand
[7:17] <risc> sheldor: nah, but I clicked on the Pi Status page... sorry if that booted you :)
[7:17] <sheldor> lol
[7:17] <Torikun> hahaha
[7:18] <Torikun> I hate the speed of the site
[7:18] <sheldor> use nginx
[7:18] <risc> yah get yourself a nice big server, 8 cores minimum, 32GB of RAM
[7:18] <risc> SAS drives
[7:18] <Torikun> my daughter is 7 and made her own site rusher81572.com/steph
[7:18] <risc> FreeBSD...
[7:18] <sheldor> SSD RAID
[7:18] <risc> oh wait I mean the Penguin OS
[7:19] <Torikun> lol
[7:19] <TAFB> SAS? pffft.. 4 x SSD's on highpoint pcie4x card = 2gb/sec read/write :)
[7:19] <timmmaaaayyy> any idea how to use authorized_keys in raspbmc?
[7:19] <Torikun> hahahha
[7:19] <timmmaaaayyy> it doesn't work the same
[7:19] <risc> TAFB: yeah I think I'd take SAS drives over MLC SSD on a server any day of the week :)
[7:19] <TAFB> lol
[7:19] <sheldor> nice page steph
[7:19] <Torikun> she loves it
[7:19] <risc> although I have used servers with SLC SSDs before, very nice :)
[7:20] <TAFB> I'm runing 4 x SSD's raid 0 in my i7 box, running Mint in VirtualBox STILL gets great speeds: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2013-01-02-Sandisk_Extreme_SSD_RAID0_test.png
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[7:21] <risc> TAFB: I run FreeBSD, and jails... my speeds the same no matter what :P
[7:21] <TAFB> nice
[7:21] <sheldor> damn not bad TAFB
[7:21] <Torikun> jails like solaris zones?
[7:21] <sheldor> i need that too, you can probably run all kinds of vms
[7:21] <sheldor> TAFB: how much ram?
[7:21] <TAFB> under virtual box the write tops out around 1.3gb/sec, under windows I can do 1.9gb/sec :)
[7:21] <Torikun> wow
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[7:22] <TAFB> sheldor: 32GB
[7:22] <risc> what's Windows?
[7:22] <TAFB> lol
[7:22] <TAFB> think adobe primere works under Wine?
[7:22] <sheldor> TAFB: how many screens?
[7:22] <TAFB> if I can run photoshop, outlook, primere, word, excel I'll switch to Mint linux in a heartbeat.
[7:23] <TAFB> sheldor: I had three screens till my vid card exploded, didn't realize my Nvidia I replaced it with, even though has three monitor connections, can only run two :(
[7:23] <risc> if I need them and wanted a *nix I'd just use OS X and a BSD ports system
[7:23] <clear`> why outlook?
[7:23] <Torikun> what about virtuialbox integrated desktop mode?
[7:23] <clear`> dont like thunderbird?
[7:23] <sheldor> hehe not bad
[7:23] <Torikun> osx is my main laptop RISC
[7:24] <TAFB> clear`: My work uses MS exchange server and I need it for calender sync'ing, etc, so I know what my jobs are in the mornin. too lazy to try anything else.
[7:24] <sheldor> http://photos.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Eyefinity-intro.jpg
[7:24] <clear`> ah
[7:24] <risc> Torikun: same, I have a MacBook Air that connects to all of my BSD boxes at home/work
[7:24] <clear`> i bet there are things on linux that will work with it
[7:24] <clear`> but photoshop wont
[7:24] <clear`> which sucks
[7:24] <Torikun> cool
[7:24] <clear`> no wine
[7:24] <clear`> wine + photoshop = death
[7:24] <TAFB> sheldor: nice :) I've got a 27" 1440p monitor as main, then two portrait 24" 1080p's
[7:25] <Torikun> gimp lol
[7:25] <risc> yeah go The Gimp TAFB
[7:25] <risc> embrace the open source
[7:25] <sheldor> oh 1440p nice
[7:25] <Torikun> macports RISC?
[7:25] <clear`> i use gimp sometimes
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[7:25] <risc> Torikun: indeed, I wanted something that felt pretty damn close to the BSD ports system :)
[7:25] <TAFB> once you use 2560x1440 (or 2560x1600 on dell screens), you don't go back. seems like nothin fits on 1080 after :)
[7:25] <Torikun> its pretty cool
[7:26] <Torikun> I got the pi as a tine machine server
[7:26] <risc> Torikun: Fink is if you're a Linux user, and that homebrew 1 I think that's for alcoholics?
[7:26] <Torikun> lol
[7:26] <sheldor> i use the pi as a time machine
[7:26] <tzarc> or 7680x1440
[7:26] * tzarc shrugs
[7:26] <risc> I use a Delorean as a time machine
[7:26] <risc> still can't get it up to 88 MPH to test if it works though :(
[7:26] <Torikun> I always have issues with time machine...the backup never stops
[7:27] <Torikun> lol
[7:27] <risc> yeah time machine has always sucked for me, I just don't bother anymore
[7:27] <sheldor> risc: you need a 9001 jiggawatts usb charger
[7:27] <risc> sheldor: no wonder!
[7:27] <risc> stupid chinese garbage only does 5 jiggawatts :(
[7:28] <Torikun> I wasted so much time on it!
[7:28] <Torikun> what distro sheldor
[7:28] <risc> Torikun: yeah I'd find it would work for a while, then get corrupt and want to do it again... in the end I was like screw this... grabbed an image, dumped it on a NAS - end of story :)
[7:28] <Torikun> I had to use netatalk 2.x 3 had problems
[7:28] <Torikun> hahhaha
[7:29] <Torikun> how are you supposed to trust time ,machine lol
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[7:29] <sheldor> Torikun: Brownian
[7:30] <Torikun> never heard of it
[7:30] <sheldor> brownian sid
[7:30] <sheldor> but be careful it is unstable
[7:30] <Torikun> oh
[7:30] <Torikun> arch here
[7:30] <risc> ooh OS poll
[7:31] * risc votes for Plan 9
[7:31] <Torikun> lol
[7:31] <Torikun> BSD for arm soon
[7:31] <sheldor> RISC OS
[7:31] <atouk> amigados
[7:31] <risc> yeah FreeBSD is looking like they're doing some good work :)
[7:32] <risc> I've got a hacked up, franken patched version of XBian on my 256MB Pi... Plan 9 on the 512er
[7:32] <sheldor> what is the advantage of *bsd over linux?
[7:32] <Torikun> nothing lol
[7:32] <Torikun> less beuracy
[7:32] <risc> sheldor: that's a big religious arguement there :)
[7:33] <clear`> lol
[7:33] <clear`> go to #freebsd and tell them linux rules!
[7:33] <risc> I prefer BSD, but will use Linux if I have to :)
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[7:33] <Torikun> I have to use Solaris and Linux at work
[7:33] <sheldor> haha
[7:33] <sheldor> i just want to understand though
[7:33] <sheldor> in a nutshell
[7:33] <sheldor> why do you prefer it?
[7:33] <Torikun> solaris sucks
[7:34] <risc> Torikun: agreed, I chucked out an Ultra 45 here recently :)
[7:34] <risc> sheldor: base system + ports versus random crap...
[7:35] <Torikun> 100 mob ram left on pi. darn Apache
[7:35] <sheldor> random crap = linux?
[7:35] <risc> sheldor: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01
[7:35] <risc> sheldor: yes
[7:35] <sheldor> thx
[7:35] <Torikun> use arch if you want a BSD like experience lol
[7:35] <risc> that's not meant to be rude, but Linux is just a kernel and a bunch of utilities thrown together... while BSDs are planned OSes
[7:36] <risc> if you read that link it should make more sense
[7:36] <atouk> you're just going to get a protestants vs baptists type argument
[7:36] <sheldor> i see
[7:36] <Torikun> RISC don't you hate the ox scheduler
[7:36] <Torikun> osx
[7:36] <risc> atouk: exactly - and why I said "< risc> sheldor: that's a big religious arguement there :)"
[7:36] <UnaClocker> Is there a BSD image for the Pi?
[7:37] <risc> Torikun: honestly my OS X sessions are pretty much a MacBook Air with a full screen terminal app (and that's it)
[7:37] <Torikun> the osx scheduler feels like it balances everything slowly
[7:37] <Torikun> ah
[7:37] <atouk> meanwhile the scientologists come in and start pusing OSX
[7:37] <Torikun> pay big money for terminal
[7:37] <TAFB> alright peeps, nite nite sleep good n sweet dreams :)
[7:38] <Torikun> tc
[7:38] <risc> UnaClocker: http://kernelnomicon.org/
[7:38] * TAFB is now known as TAFB_zzz
[7:38] <atouk> guess mommy is telling him lights out ;)
[7:39] <TAFB_zzz> almost 2am, brain is saying lights out
[7:39] <risc> Torikun: haha, I just wanted a small notebook with a decent screen... gotta have my nethack sessions looking all sexy ;)
[7:39] <Torikun> lol
[7:39] <TAFB_zzz> risc: lapdock + Pi.
[7:39] <TAFB_zzz> smokin screen on the lapdock :)
[7:40] <akulbe> TAFB_zzz: slacker. The night is young!! :)
[7:40] <TAFB_zzz> lol
[7:40] <UnaClocker> Still waiting for my lapdock adapter cables to arrive.
[7:40] <Torikun> RISC what terminal you use on mac
[7:40] <TAFB_zzz> was up early this morning, sent out $15k in wacky quotes today, my brain is done.
[7:40] <risc> iTerm 2
[7:40] <akulbe> Okay... so no way, other than building from source, to get Python 3.3.0 on Rasbpian?
[7:40] <atouk> kids aren't what the used to be. on a friday night, i'd stay up until tuesday
[7:41] <risc> :)
[7:41] <dr_willis> friday night.. im at work
[7:41] <Torikun> same here
[7:41] <Torikun> great app
[7:41] <tzarc> iTerm2 = proper 256colour support
[7:41] <risc> Saturday afternoon, I'm at home :P
[7:41] * tzarc happy
[7:41] <risc> although I've got to go back to work in 2 days... after 3 weeks off, not happy Jan!
[7:44] <akulbe> tzarc: yes
[7:44] <akulbe> iTerm2 is nice.
[7:45] <tzarc> still, I tend to live in fullscreen terminal mode anyway
[7:45] <tzarc> not that it matters
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[7:45] <akulbe> fullscreen terminal mode... isn't that what a Linux box is for? :)
[7:45] <tzarc> all my linux boxes are headless :P
[7:45] <risc> all my linux boxes are headless too
[7:46] <risc> ... they also all run either OpenBSD or FreeBSD
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[7:46] <risc> you can't trust a computer you can't configure with a serial cable
[7:46] <tzarc> your linux boxes run (open|free)bsd?
[7:46] * tzarc grins
[7:47] <risc> yeah I don't run Linux at home / work... I'm all about the BSD
[7:47] <risc> although I did put Ubuntu on a notebook at work just to see if I could handle looking at that crazy colour scheme :)
[7:47] <Torikun> unity lol
[7:48] <tzarc> we use linux at work, something I wish I could upgrade but can't due to the dependence on kernel mods
[7:48] <tzarc> 2.6.29 ftl
[7:48] <risc> meh, too new
[7:48] <risc> rock a 2.0
[7:48] <tzarc> not new enough
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[7:48] <tzarc> they chose OpenSUSE for it, and OpenSUSE have since stopped supporting this version
[7:48] <tzarc> no. upgrade. plan.
[7:49] * tzarc facepalms
[7:49] <clear`> risc: hope it wasnt the latest ubuntu with unity!
[7:49] <risc> 12.04 LTS
[7:50] <risc> it was very helpful :)
[7:50] <sheldor> why isnt there 12.10 yet?
[7:50] <sheldor> its 2013 already
[7:50] <tzarc> there is
[7:50] <clear`> helpful meaning you will never use it again?
[7:50] <sheldor> oh
[7:50] <sheldor> lol
[7:50] <tzarc> http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[7:50] <sheldor> since when, december?
[7:50] <tzarc> oct 18, on the timestamps
[7:51] <tzarc> 17 even
[7:51] <sheldor> oh they did make it in october
[7:51] <risc> sif anyone can remember October, that's like last year sometime
[7:51] <tzarc> I know eh
[7:51] <monkeymon> is was that last universe.
[7:51] <monkeymon> pre end of universe.
[7:51] <risc> yeah 13th baktun
[7:51] <risc> that's like 1 whole baktun ago
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[7:55] <risc> ackthet I know you
[7:55] <risc> you stink like BSD
[7:55] <risc> with a hint of Scientific Penguin OS
[7:55] <ackthet> i've just hand my mouth and tounge all over BSD
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[7:57] <risc> so you dudes all got cowsay installed?
[7:57] <risc> I say we take this channel 100% cowsay?
[7:58] <risc> ____
[7:58] <risc> < go >
[7:58] <risc> ----
[7:58] <risc> \
[7:58] <risc> \
[7:58] <risc> .--.
[7:58] <risc> |o_o |
[7:58] <dr_willis> fortune | cowsay
[7:58] <risc> |:_/ |
[7:58] <risc> // \ \
[7:58] <risc> (| | )
[7:58] <risc> /'\_ _/`\
[7:58] <risc> \___)=(___/
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[7:59] <ackthet> dr_willis: YOU SCREWED THE POOCH
[7:59] <atouk> that's NOT a pooch
[8:00] * risc drops it bsd style
[8:00] <risc> _________________________________________
[8:00] <risc> / Need to find the location of a program? \
[8:00] <risc> | Use "locate program_name". |
[8:00] <risc> | |
[8:00] <risc> \ -- Dru <genesis@istar.ca> /
[8:00] <risc> -----------------------------------------
[8:00] <risc> \ ^__^
[8:00] <risc> \ (oo)\_______
[8:00] <risc> (__)\ )\/\
[8:00] <risc> ||----w |
[8:00] <risc> || ||
[8:00] <risc> yeah that's a BSD tip right there :P
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[8:01] <clear`> you can do the same on linux?
[8:01] <clear`> i used it the other day
[8:01] <risc> yeah fortune, cowsay, sl, wtf are all required on any *nix :)
[8:03] <risc> plus cowsay allows you to use the most advanced clock script ever, the stimpy.sh
[8:05] <risc> behold stimpy.sh - http://pastebin.ca/2299540 (requires cowsay)
[8:05] <risc> also works on irc, if you need to flood a channel :P
[8:06] <Altimeter> Oh, that is beautiful.
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[8:06] <risc> yeah I used it once to hack the gibson
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[8:08] <Altimeter> risc: Debug for me because I am idiot: clock.sh: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `done'
[8:09] <risc> Altimeter: you need the bsd version of /bin/sh :P
[8:09] <risc> no simlinks to bash
[8:09] <Altimeter> Ah, so.
[8:09] <ackthet> simlinks are for loosers
[8:10] <risc> Altimeter: it's open source, feel free to fix for bash :)
[8:10] <risc> it's released under the simplified BSD license, so you can sell it too if you want, I don't care :)
[8:11] <Altimeter> risc: Haha. I'm still at the "Okay. This is a .... thingy. To make my last thingy do things, I had to ... things?"
[8:11] <ackthet> im gonna make a billion dollars of this script
[8:11] <Altimeter> phase of my education.
[8:12] <bsd1101> risc does locate come standard on raspbian, I know I had to download it on arch
[8:12] <risc> bsd1101: no idea, 1 of the Pi's has Plan 9 the other XBian
[8:13] <risc> can't say I've even looked at the official Raspbian image
[8:14] <bsd1101> locate is a good tool, but people who have never touched linux or even some who have have never heard of it
[8:15] <Altimeter> risc: You'll be proud to know your super complicated fancy BSD script has now been modified to work on debian.
[8:16] <risc> Altimeter: sweet :)
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[8:16] <atouk> locate/find so bsd is for people that only use small words?
[8:16] <risc> atouk: of course, I don't want to waste paper on my terminal
[8:16] <risc> :P
[8:18] <risc> atouk: we don't have time for no fancy --command, we just rock a -c :P
[8:18] <atouk> just put everything in /root so you know where it is. can't lose anything that way
[8:19] <bsd1101> hahaha
[8:19] <risc> really? if only I had have known wouldn't have bothered with zfs, or jails... could have just ran 1 host install with everything in root
[8:19] * risc cries :'(
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[11:01] <risc> hi all
[11:02] <jelly1> ohai
[11:02] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[11:03] <jelly1> people want zfs :o
[11:03] <risc> :)
[11:03] <jelly1> BTRFS!
[11:03] * jelly1 wouldnt bother when he can easily back up his Pi and save loads of cpu usage ;)
[11:03] <Gordio> jelly1, ??
[11:03] <Gordio> True;
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[11:04] <jelly1> anyway time to play with the API
[11:04] <apo> Hi
[11:05] <apo> Just tried booting my pi, but only the PWR LED is on. Voltage and fuse are okay, so I'm suspecting the SD card or filesystem
[11:05] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[11:05] <apo> Does the kernel image from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot support XFS?
[11:05] <jelly1> hmm
[11:05] * jelly1 puts his pi online
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[11:06] <jelly1> apo: i would suspect it worked, lemme check
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[11:06] <apo> I hope not, that'd be an easy fix ;P
[11:06] <jelly1> huh
[11:06] <jelly1> oh lol
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[11:16] <DexterLB> is there a way to run i686 applications on the rpi?
[11:16] <DexterLB> a VM or something
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[11:18] <jelly1> DexterLB: no
[11:18] <jelly1> well
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[11:18] <zproc> hello
[11:18] <jelly1> iirc there are some russians working on executing x86_64 on arm but iirc it's not finished :p
[11:19] <jelly1> DexterLB: what do you need to run?
[11:19] <DexterLB> jelly1: skype. :D
[11:19] <jelly1> ew
[11:19] <jelly1> mmm
[11:19] <DexterLB> jelly1: well not exactly "need", just an experiment
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[11:19] <jelly1> install android on the Pi :p
[11:19] <DexterLB> and "ew" is quite a relevant reaction
[11:20] <Gordio> I lost my hope =(
[11:20] <zproc> i have a swap problem on one Raspbian install??? should i ask on the forum? or is asking here okay?
[11:20] <Gordio> int main() {;return 0;} --> cc file.c --> http://bpaste.net/raw/68281/
[11:20] <Gordio> HEEEEELP
[11:20] <jelly1> DexterLB: sorry i just don't like skype and it runs shitty on linux :p
[11:20] <jelly1> well it works
[11:20] <jelly1> Gordio: shouting won't help :p
[11:21] <markedathome> do you specifically need to use skype, or would any video talk do?
[11:21] <Gordio> I on Gentoo, and gcc stop work T_T
[11:21] <Gordio> I am in HEEEELLLLLL
[11:21] <DexterLB> jelly1: I'm currently running skype with some python hacks alongside BitlBee
[11:21] <BurtyB> what did you expect from Gentoo? you have all the pieces ;)
[11:22] <jelly1> DexterLB: oh
[11:22] <DexterLB> on an old machine
[11:22] <DexterLB> I want to migrate to the rpi
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> why the ; before return?
[11:22] <jelly1> DexterLB: interesting
[11:22] <DexterLB> I understand that skype is, well, a bitch
[11:22] <DexterLB> and it's been hard enough to get it running on i686
[11:22] <jelly1> Gordio: a) your output isn't full b) source code in a pastebin pl0x c) stop shouting :p
[11:22] <DexterLB> and it crashes once every few weeks
[11:22] <jelly1> yes
[11:22] <DexterLB> it sometimes creates memory leaks
[11:23] <jelly1> much prop software can't run more then several weeks :p
[11:23] <DexterLB> :P
[11:23] <Gordio> jelly1, full
[11:23] <DexterLB> I have the idea of ditching skype alltogether; want to contact me? nice, come on IRC or add me on google+
[11:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Gordio, why the ; before return?
[11:24] <DexterLB> even facebook is better than skype from a software standpoint
[11:24] <jelly1> but not from a privacy one ;)
[11:24] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, I don't know. This code in configure for check compile executable
[11:24] <DexterLB> well, yes :D
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[11:26] <jelly1> Gordio: paste the source code + full command output
[11:27] <ShiftPlusOne> jelly1, it looks like he's compiling something that he didn't write and he's getting that when running ./configure.
[11:27] <jelly1> aha
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[11:27] <jelly1> still full output would be nice ;)
[11:27] <jelly1> i suspect silly CFLAGS
[11:28] <markedathome> zproc: what is the swap problem?
[11:28] <ShiftPlusOne> yup, full output and config.log (or whatever it's called) would be good
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[11:31] <DexterLB> hmm, it appears that SkypeKit works on the raspberry pi; I could easily hack the python bindings to work with that
[11:31] <DexterLB> but it wants money
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[11:31] <DexterLB> which proves my point that skype is a bitch
[11:31] <Gordio> jelly1, bpaste.net/raw/68290/
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[11:32] <zproc> my swapfile problem http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=28384
[11:32] <jelly1> should compile imo
[11:32] <jelly1> Gordio: i blame your CFLAGS :p
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[11:34] <jelly1> [jelle@alarmpi ~]$ gcc foo.c
[11:34] <jelly1> [jelle@alarmpi ~]$
[11:34] <jelly1> echo $CFLAGS
[11:34] <Gordio> jelly1, bpaste.net/raw/68293/
[11:34] <jelly1> nah hmm those work
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[11:34] <Gordio> echo $CFLAGS = empty
[11:34] <jelly1> hmm
[11:35] <Gordio> problem in linker, or library T_T
[11:35] * Gordio *cry*
[11:35] <jelly1> now you might have broken either of those :p
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[11:35] <DexterLB> Gordio: no restart after upgrade of glibc?
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[11:35] <Gordio> DexterLB, maybe
[11:36] <Gordio> DexterLB, but I cant remember glibc in update list
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[11:36] <Gordio> I try. Thx for idea ;)
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[11:36] <markedathome> zproc: my uname -a is currently > Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #346 PREEMPT Fri Dec 28 00:50:33 GMT 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[11:36] * Gordio brb
[11:37] <zproc> markedathome: ah...
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[11:37] <zproc> damnit, i shouldn't have used that old minimal raspbian image maybe
[11:38] <markedathome> what does sudo dphys-swapfile setup say?
[11:38] <zproc> "want /var/swap=100MByte, checking existing: keeping it"
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[11:40] <markedathome> what about doing a sudo dphys swapfile uninstall, then setup?
[11:40] <zproc> i've never used dphys-swapfile before and i don't know much about swaps settings/etc so i don't even know if the swapfile is beind used or not??? ?
[11:40] <Gordio> Problem still exist
[11:40] <zproc> i haven't tried uninstall yet, gonna try that
[11:41] <el_robin> Gordio: there is someting I don't understand in http://bpaste.net/raw/68290/
[11:41] <el_robin> your command line is cc file.c
[11:41] <el_robin> but error message is about main.c
[11:41] <zproc> markedathome: "want /var/swap=100MByte, generating swapfile ... of 100MBytes"
[11:41] <el_robin> do you have an alias on cc ? or is it a shell script ?
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[11:41] <zproc> markedathome: and now dphys etc swapon returns nothing, no error but nothing else either
[11:41] <zproc> seems ok?
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[11:42] <Gordio> wow
[11:42] <Gordio> el_robin, you right! Real =\
[11:42] <Gordio> But... but... hooow!? =\
[11:42] <jelly1> gcc file.c!
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[11:43] <markedathome> load the system with memory intensive apps and then type free
[11:43] <Gordio> jelly1, still about main.c
[11:43] * Gordio shoked
[11:43] <markedathome> free
[11:43] <markedathome> total used free shared buffers cached
[11:43] <markedathome> Mem: 383752 333684 50068 0 40576 63676
[11:43] <markedathome> -/+ buffers/cache: 229432 154320
[11:43] <markedathome> Swap: 0 0 0
[11:43] <el_robin> Gordio: which cc
[11:44] <Gordio> /usr/bin/cc
[11:44] <jelly1> free -m for human readable output
[11:44] <jelly1> i bet /usr/bin/cc is a symlink
[11:44] <jelly1> to gcc
[11:44] <jelly1> like on archlinux lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Dec 26 13:22 /usr/bin/cc -> gcc*
[11:44] <zproc> markedathome: i don't have much apps actually, only a minecraft C++ server :S but i'll check this if it swaps at some point, thank you
[11:45] <Gordio> no
[11:45] <Gordio> o_O
[11:46] <jelly1> Gordio: it isnt??
[11:46] <jelly1> lolwut
[11:46] <Gordio> /usr/bin/cc is binary file =\
[11:46] <jelly1> oh dear
[11:46] <Gordio> created 20 Dec
[11:46] <Gordio> hm, but I have broken clocks =)
[11:47] <markedathome> zproc: ok
[11:47] <Gordio> Itry remove HIM! KILL! KILL! DESTROY! :D
[11:47] <jelly1> Gordio: dont remove it
[11:47] <el_robin> Gordio: you can use verbose linker output
[11:47] <Gordio> el_robin, -V 9 ?
[11:47] <el_robin> cc file.c -Wl,--verbose
[11:48] <el_robin> it shoud display where linker is looking for object and libraries
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[11:49] <mrmoney2012> having a 512mb pi replaced by farnell
[11:49] <markedathome> Gordio: my /usr/bin/cc is a link to /etc/alternatives/cc which cc -v and gcc -c give gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-12+rpi1)
[11:49] <mrmoney2012> had lots of problems with it corrupting cards
[11:49] <mrmoney2012> tried different sd cards, PSUs etc
[11:49] <Gordio> verbose bpaste.net/raw/68295/
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[11:49] <mrmoney2012> also the SD card holder is partially broken
[11:50] <mrmoney2012> can't remember if i overvolted
[11:50] <mrmoney2012> what is the check in /proc/cpuinfo ?
[11:50] <mrmoney2012> which line?
[11:50] <markedathome> mrmoney2012: this was an issue back in july with high speed sd cards. It was fixed with updated firmware and that should be in all the latest images.
[11:50] <mrmoney2012> well??? i've been using all the latest images
[11:51] <mrmoney2012> maybe it's just me over clocking or some such but the sd card holder is way too brittle anyway
[11:51] <mrmoney2012> could do with swapping it out for that alone
[11:51] <markedathome> vcgencmd measure_volts <id>
[11:51] <markedathome> Shows voltage, id can be one core, sdram_c, sdram_i, sdram_p, and defaults to core if not specified.
[11:51] <Gordio> crti.o or crt1.o broken? =\
[11:51] <markedathome> http://www.elinux.org/RPI_vcgencmd_usage
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[11:52] <mrmoney2012> Revision : 000f <-- has this been overvolted ?
[11:52] <el_robin> Gordio: I'm wondering
[11:52] <TAFB> mrmoney2012: lemme check, I think 000f = force turbo, one sec.
[11:53] <markedathome> just means that it is a 512 i think. there is a document for containing the revision codes
[11:53] <mrmoney2012> i have used force turbo at some stage I think
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[11:54] <TAFB> mrmoney2012: yep, that's the one. 000f = warranty void due to use of force_turbo
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[11:54] <mrmoney2012> ooops
[11:54] <mrmoney2012> well I'm sending it back anyway due to broken SD card holder.
[11:55] <TAFB> ahhh. tought for them to deny warranty for overclocking, when the issue is not related at all.
[11:55] <mrmoney2012> which is obviously not related to overclock
[11:55] <TAFB> going to get a flush fit MicroSD when you get it replaced? they are much nicer :)
[11:55] <mrmoney2012> will see how it goes...
[11:55] <mrmoney2012> i need to be careful with that force_turbo then
[11:56] <DexterLB> where can I see these revision bits?
[11:56] <mrmoney2012> still.. other Pi's are pretty well behaved
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[11:56] <TAFB> mrmoney2012: https://www.adafruit.com/products/966
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> DexterLB, /proc/cpuinfo
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[11:59] <TAFB> ShiftPlusOne: I noticed on github, the Pi foundation, has been making some changes lately, so their programs actually check the firmware version "Check firmware revision. If tag: 0x00000001 ... Length: 4; Value: u32,", kinda makes it look like they might deny you access to the PiStore or something in the future, based on your warranty staus...
[11:59] <el_robin> Gordio: did you recompile or is it regular gentoo stage ?
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[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, don't see why they would.
[12:00] <markedathome> where is the info on rev 000f being a warranty failure? as far as i can find this is just a revision marking meaning that it is a 512mb http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-50776?ICID=rasp_group
[12:00] <TAFB> yeah, but why would they be checking your warranty status anyway??
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[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, are you sure that 'firmware revision' is the same thing as cpu revision?
[12:01] <TAFB> ShiftPlusOne: ahhhh, you are possibly right... firmware, not cpu... makes sense :)
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, it would make sense that they would check if your firmware matches userland drivers.
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[12:02] <Gordio> el_robin, sorry my GPRS Internet is die :D
[12:03] <Gordio> have new ideas?
[12:03] <el_robin> Gordio: not really
[12:03] <Gordio> Now I try find new files in /usr/
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[12:04] <el_robin> Gordio: I think your crt1.o is not correct
[12:04] <cliff-hm> before I start googling lots. Using HDMI -> DVI cable for connection to monitor. The display looks like it is stock 800x600 (or something equally low resolution). Is this normal for HDMI->DVI? The monitor/display config gives "Unable to get monitor information!" - using stock 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian
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[12:06] <markedathome> cliff-hm: google for edid.dat sounds as though some info isn't getting back
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[12:06] <TAFB> cliff-hm: open your /boot/config.txt file. tell it to HDMI force hot plug, then just uncomment the resolution lines and set to monitor res.
[12:06] <TAFB> cliff-hm: google so you know the exact right res for the monitor. you might have to disable overscan too.
[12:06] <Gordio> Hehe)
[12:07] <Gordio> ctri.o - Dec 20; ctr1.o - Dec 24 :D
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[12:07] <markedathome> cliff-hm: might be useful --> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/2007/cant-get-pi-to-work-with-a-sony-sdm-s74-dvi-d-monitor
[12:07] <TAFB> anyone try the dynamic GPU allocation yet?!
[12:08] <Gordio> el_robin, thx. I try fix this. Happy Christmas
[12:08] <cliff-hm> danke folks. It worked fine using HDMI cable to TV's... but now trying monitor (with cable I got). I'll have to kick my boy off to try fixing it :)
[12:08] <el_robin> Gordio: check output of file on crt1.o
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[12:08] <el_robin> Gordio: I'm wondering if it's not an executable
[12:09] <el_robin> which could explain why _int, _fini symbol are presents
[12:09] <Gordio> yeah!
[12:09] <Gordio> his overvriten with my code =(
[12:10] <Gordio> But I cant understand how =(
[12:11] <el_robin> not sure how you can fix it
[12:12] <Gordio> el_robin, find old in stage3 and unpack :)
[12:12] <el_robin> Gordio: yes that's a solution
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[12:13] <el_robin> Gordio: good luck
[12:13] <el_robin> how long it takes to compile on PI ?
[12:16] <Gordio> I compile only three days :D
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[12:16] <Gordio> have mc, tmux, irssi, lynx etc :D
[12:16] <jelly1> does xbmc always use 90% CPU ?
[12:16] <jelly1> it does with openelec ^
[12:16] <Gordio> And ofcose recompile all system after unpack :D
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[12:17] <Gordio> *emerge -e @world; before start use stage
[12:17] <el_robin> Gordio: ok
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[12:17] * Gordio crazy freak =)
[12:17] <zezba9000> Hey im trying to link to 'libbcm_host.so' on arch linux. How do you create valid linkable aliases on linux? By using 'sudo ln -fs' ??
[12:17] <jelly1> zezba9000: don't link it
[12:17] <jelly1> zezba9000: what are you compiling
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[12:18] <zezba9000> jelly1: im compiling a GLES2 demo ive made
[12:18] * jelly1 suspects openmax stuff
[12:18] <jelly1> zezba9000: fix your env's
[12:18] <jelly1> *ENV
[12:18] <zezba9000> jelly1: its written in C# not c/C++
[12:18] <zezba9000> jelly1: its running on Arch x86 GLES2
[12:19] <jelly1> ..
[12:19] <jelly1> how are you going to run C# on the Pi
[12:19] <zezba9000> jelly1: just trying to port it, but I need to dynamicly link to libbcm_host
[12:19] <jelly1> is mono ported?
[12:19] <jelly1> it is
[12:19] <zezba9000> jelly1: C# runs on arm via mono
[12:19] <jelly1> yeah i get it
[12:19] <zezba9000> jelly1: ya it runs great
[12:19] <jelly1> C# runs on linux via mono
[12:20] <jelly1> [jelle@alarmpi ~]$ cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/broadcomlib.conf
[12:20] <jelly1> /opt/vc/lib
[12:20] <jelly1> add that file
[12:20] <jelly1> run ldconfig
[12:20] <zezba9000> k one sec
[12:21] <jelly1> as root ofcourse
[12:21] <jelly1> or sudo ;)
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[12:23] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: btw about mjpeg, i use gstreamer/ffmpeg with opencv so it won't decode jpeg via the gpu
[12:23] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: but know i think i will do it with a different method ;)
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[12:26] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[12:26] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: thinking about just looking for pictures
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[12:27] <jelly1> ShiftPlusOne: since it will be surveillance i will look into decoding jpeg -> check if the image differs with the previous -> if so check if there is an intruder ;)
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[12:28] <jelly1> should be a nice excersise :)
[12:29] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, good luck
[12:29] <jelly1> :)
[12:29] <plugwash> currently mono DOES NOT work correctly on raspbian
[12:30] <plugwash> at least the version of mono in the raspbian repos doesn't
[12:30] <jelly1> aha fun
[12:30] <zezba9000> jelly1: broadcomlib.conf does not exist
[12:30] <jelly1> zezba9000: you need to create it ;)
[12:30] * jelly1 wouldnt use mono on linux :p
[12:31] <zezba9000> mono runs great on linux idk why
[12:31] <zezba9000> I use it for my cross platform api
[12:31] <|Jeroen|> there is also dotgnu
[12:32] <zezba9000> mono is GNU
[12:32] <|Jeroen|> nah mono doesn't belong to gnu
[12:32] <zezba9000> I do a lot of 3D coding and C# is just the easiest to port on all platforms
[12:33] <DDave> ID think it would be C
[12:33] <zezba9000> like, linux, mac, win32, winrt, xbox360, iphone, wp8, android ect
[12:33] <zezba9000> I have my engine running in nacl, silverlight too
[12:33] <DDave> oh ok
[12:33] <zezba9000> I chose C# .NET for a reason
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[12:35] <zezba9000> besides all that as it rly doesn't matter what I choose to write my code in does it? I just rly need to know how to set up .so file correly on any linux platform so they can be dynamically linked to...
[12:36] <zezba9000> a '.so' file that doesn't already exist in 'usr/lib' that is
[12:38] <zezba9000> plugwash: actually mono runs fine on raspbian, I ran it yesterday. MonoGame also runs on raspbian and that runs on mono
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[12:40] <markedathome> ln -sf should be fine..
[12:41] <zezba9000> markedathome: hmmm thats what I thought by looking around, but its not linking and idk why
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[12:41] <zezba9000> markedathome: I even copied the original file in there too and tried that, still no luck
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[12:42] <markedathome> ldconfig is looking in the right directories, and the config for compilation has the relevant include?
[12:42] <Gordio> el_robin, all work fine. Thank you, very much!
[12:42] <zezba9000> is there like a GAC or something that needs file referenced as well?
[12:43] <el_robin> Gordio: yw
[12:45] <booyaa> morning
[12:46] <markedathome> https://twitter.com/MurphysPaw/status/287320135650381825/photo/1
[12:46] <markedathome> now i have to get the dtv stick working :-)
[12:46] <zezba9000> Jeroen: yes I meant its under the gpl license.
[12:46] <markedathome> knightmare, tomrrow people
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[12:47] <cliff-hm> thanks. Usage of http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video along with editing /boot/config.txt did it markedathome and TAFB. Used the tvservice and edidparser commands to query monitor (along with having my E231W manual downloaded to cross-check). And then within /boot/config.txt edited hdmi_force_hotplug=1 ; hdmi_group=2 ; hdmi_mode=82 - reboot and nice display.
[12:48] <|Jeroen|> ah ok, that it is
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[12:49] <cliff-hm> (also stating it here, I'll have the IRC logs from XChat, should I need them in the future).
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[12:51] <booyaa> mmm wasn't there a top like network monitor called ntop?
[12:52] <markedathome> you mean the one called ntop
[12:52] <nomadic> I am using iftop
[12:52] <markedathome> yes
[12:52] <booyaa> mmm i think it's been demoted package name wise
[12:52] <booyaa> might be called sntop now
[12:52] <booyaa> nomadic: might give that a go
[12:53] <markedathome> apt-get install ntop works
[12:54] <fayimora> markedathome: I'm still struggling with my video and sound :(
[12:54] <nomadic> --> http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/iftop/
[12:54] <fayimora> Anyways, anyone have a good link to a tutorial on setting up ftp server on pi?
[12:54] <booyaa> markedathome: yeah that package is lardy wants to setup itself up as another webservice
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[12:55] <booyaa> ntop was just a pure cli before
[12:55] <booyaa> sntop is just a ping monitor, right iftop it is
[12:56] <booyaa> anyways slightly scenic route trying to solve my slow cups printing on the pi
[12:56] <nomadic> raspberry Pi Forums are a good place to start: ftp tutorial -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=11257
[12:56] <Holden> fayimora, unless you really need an _ftp_ server, you can use sftp (I believe ssh is already installed and enabled)
[12:56] <booyaa> and i've fixed it :)
[12:56] <markedathome> fayimora: what have you tried since last time, if anything?
[12:58] <markedathome> can you get an mp3 audio file to output from the xbmc, and or using omxplayer/mplayer/mpg123
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[13:00] <markedathome> i am still bashing my head against audio going out a usb adapter...
[13:01] <jelly1> you cna configure the output in xbmc
[13:01] <markedathome> this is just standard mplayer/omx etc.
[13:01] <markedathome> and gmediarender.
[13:01] <jelly1> mplayer can do that too
[13:01] <markedathome> my default device is the adapter, but something else seems to be steering it out
[13:02] <jelly1> http://linux.dsplabs.com.au/mplayer-multiple-sound-cards-select-audio-device-p77/
[13:02] <jelly1> hmm
[13:02] <jelly1> no clue
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[13:03] <markedathome> aplay can be explicitly told, and I have had audacity output, again explicitly selecting the alsa|usb adapter
[13:03] <jelly1> hmm sounds good
[13:03] <jelly1> no clue sorry
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[13:06] <markedathome> hmmm... mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 BitCrush/*.mp3 works
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[13:07] <markedathome> mplayer -ao alsa BitCrush/*.mp3 doesnt.
[13:07] <markedathome> the default device should be hw/0.0
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[13:09] <Holden> markedathome, try mplayer -v
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[13:12] <markedathome> Holden: doesn't really help much
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[13:12] <Holden> markedathome, does it not say what device it is using by default?
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[13:17] <markedathome> Holden: WORKING: Trying preferred audio driver 'alsa', options 'device=hw=0.0'
[13:17] <markedathome> alsa-init: using device hw:0,0
[13:17] <markedathome> NOT WORKING: Trying preferred audio driver 'alsa', options '[none]'
[13:17] <markedathome> alsa-init: using device default
[13:18] <Holden> markedathome, I guess alsa 'default device' uses pulseaudio... check aplay -L
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[13:20] <markedathome> pulse playback/recording through the pulseaudio sound server, sysdefault has two entries for CARD:=Device and CARD=ALSA (bcm2835 default audio)
[13:21] <markedathome> so it is taking pulse first?
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[13:21] <biberao> yo
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[13:23] <Holden> usually when you have pulse installed the 'default' alsa device becomes pulse. so using mplayer -ao alsa will use pulse (and its default sound card)
[13:23] <markedathome> Holden: http://pastebin.com/Rn65ZyN0
[13:23] <markedathome> in full
[13:23] <markedathome> so how do i tell pulse what to use
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[13:25] <Holden> markedathome, I did a long time ago, I don't remember all the details, but I think I read how to do it on the pulseaudio wiki. Another solution might be blacklisting the bcm2835 module if you won't use it anyway
[13:25] <brady2600> http://pastebin.com/CRsSQZwS
[13:25] <brady2600> does anyone know what to make of this?
[13:25] <brady2600> my time.h has gone nuts on me in raspbian
[13:26] <Holden> markedathome, or, create a .asoundrc with your default device
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[13:33] <fayimora> Holden: I want to be able to access my files even via a browser. not just via a terminal
[13:34] <fayimora> markedathome: been searching forums for similar problems but haven't come across anything useful :(
[13:35] <booyaa> brady2600: what's your code look like can you pastebin that?
[13:36] <brady2600> this happens regardless of the code
[13:36] <brady2600> http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?topic=66054.105
[13:37] <brady2600> i believe this thread is discussing the same issue, however, i cannot figure out how to downgrade "
[13:37] <brady2600> go back to gcc-avr version 4.3.5-1 * and
[13:37] <brady2600> go back to avr-libc version 1.6.8-2 * "
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[13:42] <brady2600> anyone have any ideas how i can downgrade those two? ive managed to uninstall them, but when i try to install those versions , it doesn't find them.
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[13:49] <Holden> fayimora, ok... probably a generic guide for debian, ubuntu or arch will do, those are usually well written
[13:50] <apo> Dammit!
[13:50] <apo> I tried with a new SD card, and it's still not booting
[13:50] <fayimora> Holden: i was looking at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0BoBkv3cwg but proftpd refused to install
[13:50] <apo> a 32GB extrememory card, which should work, according to the wiki
[13:51] <markedathome> does the card have the latest firmware installed in the /boot partition? if not the extreme i.e>20MB/s will fail
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[13:51] <Holden> fayimora, refused?
[13:51] <xrosnight> i bought a 16GB ultra Sandisk card which runs very fast on raspi.
[13:51] <apo> markedathome: Yes, got everything from git today
[13:52] <fayimora> Holden: "Could not resolve 'mirroedirector.raspbian.org'"
[13:52] <xrosnight> markedathome: mine ultra 16GB Sandisk , the highest Reading speed is 20MB/s , can it be faster???
[13:52] <markedathome> should be mirroRdirector.
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[13:53] <Holden> fayimora, ah, maybe the mirror redirector is having temporary problems. try again later
[13:53] <Holden> fayimora, or ask on #raspbian
[13:53] <markedathome> xrosnight: dunno, just got a sandisk extreme 30MB/s but haven't got round to testing it yet.
[13:54] <fayimora> oh ok thanks :D. How do i get the unique IP of the pi? I mean one i can use to access from anywhere? Holden
[13:54] <xrosnight> markedathome: here's my 16GB ultra Sandisk test http://blog.csdn.net/spaceship20008/article/details/8454089
[13:54] <Holden> fayimora, hmm, you have connected you rpi to a router that is connected to the internet?
[13:55] <fayimora> Holden: Hmm yes but not router. I'm using a usb
[13:55] <Holden> fayimora, try this command on your rpi: wget -q -O - http://icanhazip.com/
[13:56] <apo> tried with no cables, USB cable is seated, the voltage is okay, tried with the alternative bootcode.bin, never connected 7V to it, the SD card holder is okay, and the fuse isn't blown
[13:56] <Holden> it should return your IP address... to access you rpi from the outside you need to open a port on your router/modem though
[13:56] <markedathome> Holden: neat
[13:56] <apo> The SD card is the only thing left, but the wiki says that this one works
[13:56] <apo> ffs.
[13:57] <markedathome> careful. kids may be present.
[13:57] <markedathome> do you have any other sd cards?
[13:58] <markedathome> and how long are you leaving it for boot to occur?
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[13:59] <TheCommieDuck> Ohai.
[13:59] <apo> This is the second card, I've tried with a 4GB Intenso card
[13:59] <fayimora> Holden: It didn't output anything
[13:59] <apo> couple of minutes
[13:59] <fayimora> I think my internet connection is down.. I'll check it and try again
[13:59] <Holden> fayimora, hmm, that's the problem then... you are not connected to the internet
[14:00] <Holden> fayimora, try: ping www.google.com
[14:00] <TheCommieDuck> I bought an RPi and a preloaded SD card. However, whilst messing around I managed to format the card. I downloaded the pisces image, but are there any images available for the preloaded cards? I don't want to have to re-get all the stuff it came with.
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[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Aren't the preloaded cards just stock raspbian?
[14:01] <nid0> usually yea
[14:01] <plugwash> Most preloaded cards are probablly shipping the raspberry Pi foundation image
[14:02] <TheCommieDuck> Isn't that the pisces image?
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, is there a 'stock raspbian' image without foundation repos, raspi-config and so on?
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> TheCommieDuck, http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/raspbian/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian/2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.zip to be precise
[14:02] <TheCommieDuck> ShiftPlusOne: That's what I was after for now :D Thanks!
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[14:03] <TheCommieDuck> I'd rather screw around with stuff already on there than from a semi-blank state
[14:03] <tzarc> make one with debootstrap?
[14:03] <fayimora> Holden: yes i got a number :D. Same number from my mac though.. Would the be the IP of my router?
[14:03] <tzarc> a minbase raspbian was 110MB last time I checked
[14:03] <tzarc> was a few months ago tho
[14:03] <plugwash> ShiftPlusOne, not really there are the hexxeh and pisces images but they are getting pretty old now
[14:04] <tzarc> compresses down to ~30MB
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> plugwash, alright thanks, was just wondering.
[14:04] <Holden> fayimora, no, that number is your IP address, the one assigned to you by your ISP. the router will be something like 192.168.x.x
[14:04] <plugwash> there are a variety of people distributing their own smaller images on the forum but most of them are going about it the wrong way round trying to strip the foundation image rather than building one up with what they want
[14:04] <TheCommieDuck> Whilst I'm here: it is/should be possible to dualboot into raspbian wheezy and raspbmc (or equivalent xmbc distro) on the same sd card, right?
[14:05] <fayimora> Holden: Hmm so why does my mac spit out the same IP then?
[14:05] <ShiftPlusOne> TheCommieDuck, look up berryboot
[14:05] <TheCommieDuck> The formatting came after I put raspbmc on it then realised it strips down most of debian.
[14:05] <tzarc> debootstrap --foreign --variant=minbase --include=${EXTRA_PACKAGES} --arch=armhf --no-check-gpg testing ${CHROOT_PATH} http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/
[14:05] <tzarc> is what I used to build a minimal image
[14:05] <xrosnight> it seems that Sandisk extreme series are much faster than ultra series. has anyone tested or filmed?
[14:05] <tzarc> replacing the environment variables of course
[14:05] <Holden> fayimora, because you are using the same internet connection (the same router) with both
[14:05] <TheCommieDuck> Great thanks :D
[14:05] <tzarc> once it's set up rsync it to a card
[14:06] <fayimora> I see.. Thanks Holden
[14:06] <tzarc> you'll probably need to set up qemu for entering the chroot beforehand though
[14:06] <Holden> fayimora, np
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[14:07] <frikinz> apt-get install qemu-user-static; cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static $ROOT/usr/bin
[14:08] <tzarc> or equivalent :P
[14:08] <frikinz> ;)
[14:08] <tzarc> I build my own qemu in /opt, so it makes it easy
[14:08] <tzarc> mount /opt in the chroot and it's done
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[14:09] <plugwash> you will also want to install binfmt-support which contains the magic that lets the kernel invoke user mode qemu
[14:10] <ShiftPlusOne> are the qemu and bootstap steps for my benefit or was that for someone else?
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> *bootstrap
[14:11] <frikinz> for TheDuck
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne> He wanted the opposite. He wants everything preinstalled.
[14:12] <TheCommieDuck> Okay, a final question (I'm a total electronics newb here): How much control over the pi can you have via the GPIO ports? I've so far been shutting it down by pulling the power, which I discovered isn't good..so anyway, would I be able to send a sudo shutdown command via the GPIO somehow?
[14:12] <frikinz> Dunno then, I've been reading tzarc commands and followed the discussion :)
[14:12] <TheCommieDuck> frikinz: Huh? :P
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[14:12] <TheCommieDuck> isn't qemu the x86 emulator?
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> TheCommieDuck, it emulates a lot more than x86
[14:12] <tzarc> if you want a preinstalled image, what I said ain't gonna cut it
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne> you can use it to emulate a pi, for example
[14:12] <TheCommieDuck> Ah.
[14:13] <tzarc> debootstrap is used to build a minimal root filesystem for the pi, based on raspbian
[14:13] <ShiftPlusOne> TheCommieDuck, you can do pretty much anything through gpio.
[14:13] <tzarc> qemu is used to enter into it on your machine, so you can do post configuration before it goes on the pi
[14:14] <plugwash> regular qemu cannot emulate a Pi
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> trolus has patches
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[14:14] <plugwash> it can emulate a system with the same processor and same ammount of memory as a Pi but that is NOT the same thing
[14:14] <tzarc> but it can emulate an armhf, which is enough to get into an environment for configuration
[14:14] <ShiftPlusOne> certainly good enough for most people who want to emulate a pi
[14:14] <TheCommieDuck> ShiftPlusOne: Okay. I've seen things about people controlling output via console, but nothing about inputting into the console
[14:14] <tzarc> you then copy the root over to a preformatted SD card, and boot on the pi itself
[14:14] <plugwash> in any case though we were talking about user mode qemu here which doesn't emaulate a system at all
[14:14] <tzarc> yup
[14:15] <TheCommieDuck> I think I'll go get berryboot and all that set up before too much fiddling :P
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[14:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't think there's any disagreement there.
[14:15] <tzarc> been a while since I played with my pi :(
[14:16] <tzarc> what's the latest kernel rev?
[14:16] <tzarc> pretty sure I was running a 3.6.1 last time
[14:16] <fayimora> Holden: Unable to access he ftp server with that ip address :( But i was able to with the local one 192.168.XXX.XX
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[14:18] <Holden> fayimora, yes, as I said, if you work inside you local network you must use the 192.168.x.x address of your rpi, if you are outside you need to use your external IP address (after you have forwarded the port in your router)
[14:18] <tzarc> mmm, still 3.6.y branch
[14:20] <markedathome> any ideas on why tightvncserver would freak with a fonts path error, when it had been working previously?
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[14:24] <fayimora> Holden: Hmmm.. So in other to access it outside, i use the external IP, but first i have to "forward the port" ?
[14:25] <Holden> fayimora, yes.
[14:25] <Hopsy> Does ALL wifi dongles support ALL of the possible modus?
[14:25] <fayimora> Holden: ok pls how do i forward the port? Can i do that via my computer?
[14:25] <Hopsy> I want to set my edimax un7811 to monitor mode
[14:25] <Hopsy> but it fails
[14:26] <Hopsy> is it the driver or the chip?
[14:26] <plugwash> Forwarding the port must be done on whatever is doing the network address translation, most likely a home router of some kind
[14:26] <plugwash> unfortunately while every home router i've seen can forward ports the administrative interfaces are all different
[14:26] <Holden> fayimora, usually you do that by entering in the router configuration page and adding a line for the port you want to forward. other easier method consists in using a program that open the port via UPnP
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[14:27] <frikinz> Holden: no, not all driver support monitor or access point mode
[14:27] <frikinz> Err for Hopsy
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[14:28] <Hopsy> owh, can I find a list with the supporting mode?
[14:28] <Hopsy> @ frikinz
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[14:28] <fayimora> Holden: Hmm unfortunately i don't have physical access to the router :( It's in a friend's room and he isn't in :(
[14:28] <frikinz> Hopsy: maybe there http://linuxwireless.org/
[14:29] <Holden> fayimora, then I guess you can't forward the port and can't access from the outside...
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[14:29] <fayimora> btw it's a BT Home Hub 3
[14:31] <chris_99> the bt homehub is crap at port forwarding, it was actually broken on my router!
[14:31] <chris_99> i bought a Mikrotik router for my BT line
[14:31] <chris_99> and it works a lot better
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[14:32] <frikinz> miniupnpc can open port (if upnp is enabled on the router). If used this for some bitorrent clients
[14:32] <fayimora> Holden: what pot will i be opening/forwarding? 22?
[14:32] <Holden> fayimora, standard ftp is 21
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[14:32] <fayimora> sorry yeah 21
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[14:32] <fayimora> I just found this http://www.filesaveas.com/bthomehub_portforwarding.html
[14:33] <Holden> fayimora, the first step is "Log into your Home Hub as Admin", if you can do that (i.e. know the password) you don't need "physical access to the router" ;)
[14:33] <frikinz> ftp-command. data is another one
[14:34] <frikinz> depending on active/passive ftp.
[14:34] <frikinz> ftp is a pain
[14:34] <Holden> I suppose he'll be using passive, no?
[14:34] <fayimora> Holden: Yeah i need the default admin password.. I've never changed it
[14:35] <Holden> lol, fayimora sounds like you're breaking into someone else's router...
[14:36] <fayimora> Holden: lol wonder what someone's router will be doing in our crib. I'm a student so I live with friends.. The router is unfortunately in someone else's room
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[14:38] <steve_rox> random question , is there anyway to change display res without reboot? :-P
[14:38] <Holden> fayimora, ok... usually I use this program to open ports on my router, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/unpn.png , it's usually quicker if you have UPnP enabled
[14:38] <ShiftPlusOne> steve_rox, yes. I don't remember what it is, but there is a command you can run. I've seen it on the forum, posted by dom.
[14:39] <steve_rox> that sounds interesting
[14:39] <steve_rox> rebooting is annoying
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[14:47] <fayimora> Holden: thanks
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[14:49] <markedathome> steve_rox: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=25933
[14:50] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the one
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[14:51] <frikinz> Hopsy: found it? What's the driver you're using for this dongle
[14:51] <frikinz> Hopsy: looks like support is neither yes nor no but '?' :)
[14:52] <frikinz> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers
[14:52] <Hopsy> frikinz: 8192cu.ko
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[14:54] <Hopsy> thats the driver package name
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[14:54] <steve_rox> thanks markedathome
[14:55] <Hopsy> frikinz: what does a ? mean?
[14:55] <Hopsy> interesting
[14:55] <frikinz> Hopsy: if iwconfig wlan0 mode Monitor says unsupported or an error like this then..
[14:55] <frikinz> there's also #linuxwireless
[14:57] <alex88> hi guys, I?ve http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-5V-8-Channel-Relay-Module-Board-for-Arduino-PIC-AVR-MCU-DSP-ARM-Electronic-/320871202967?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item4ab56a0097&_uhb=1 this relay board, someone has a similar one'
[14:57] <alex88> need to know the connections
[14:57] <alex88> simple 5v, ground, gpio->control pins?
[14:57] <markedathome> ha ha!!! yes, I now have audio streamed from a nas, controlled by win7 media player to gmediarender on an rpi, with the audio streaming out of a usb stick...
[14:57] <markedathome> and it has only taken me two days...
[14:58] <markedathome> thanks Holden
[14:58] <markedathome> found it was a config change in /etc/pulse/default.pa
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[14:59] <Hopsy> markedathome: can you make a tutorial for me?
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[15:00] <steve_rox> think this page is for hdmi , im using composite
[15:00] <CyberJacob> hi
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[15:01] <markedathome> it will be a day or two, but effectively you need to tell pulseaudio to explicitly use hw:0,0 by adding
[15:01] <Holden> markedathome, yw
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[15:01] <CyberJacob> I'm having an interesting problem with audio on my Pi
[15:01] <CyberJacob> after a reboot, I can play audio for 20 seconds
[15:01] <CyberJacob> but after that I don't get any output
[15:01] <markedathome> in /etc/pulse/default.pa
[15:01] <markedathome> load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,0
[15:01] <markedathome>
[15:01] <Hopsy> frikinz: what did you checked on this website? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers
[15:01] <CyberJacob> alsamixer completely freezes
[15:01] <Hopsy> the AP?
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[15:02] <Hopsy> ow wait I see monitor, nevermnd
[15:02] <frikinz> Hopsy: you driver hasn't been much tested. '?' everywhere. I'd say this page is not so much updated.
[15:02] <CyberJacob> any ideas?
[15:02] <frikinz> Hopsy: what does iwconfig wlan0 mode Monitor says?
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[15:04] <Hopsy> frikinz: http://cache.gyazo.com/8e8fdb471992eb576ef329d0569373f0.png?1357394621
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[15:04] <frikinz> sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode Monitor
[15:04] <frikinz> Hopsy:
[15:06] <Hopsy> http://cache.gyazo.com/4dcf3f0f5d3c809165c3c1937a601e52.png?1357394759 frikinz
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[15:13] <fayimora> Holden: I've forwarded the port.. It works !!!!! :D :D THANKS
[15:14] <TAFB> can someone please test that http://tafb.yi.org:8000 and http://tafb.yi.org take them to the same page/place? it's not working internally on my LAN but everything seems setup right.
[15:14] <ShiftPlusOne> seems right
[15:14] <TAFB> sweet
[15:15] <TAFB> maybe I gotta flush my dns or somethin for internal to work :)
[15:15] <CyberJacob> anybody got any ideas about my sound issues?
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[15:18] <Hopsy> frikinz: found something?
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[15:19] <Kane> o/
[15:23] <frikinz> Hopsy: I'd say your driver doesn't support monitor mode.
[15:23] <frikinz> Hopsy: just to make sure what does this command says: sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode Auto
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[15:24] <Hopsy> frikinz: nothing
[15:25] <frikinz> Hopsy: monitor mode doesn't seem recognized then.
[15:25] <Hopsy> aha :(
[15:25] <Hopsy> okau
[15:25] <Hopsy> okay
[15:26] <frikinz> Hopsy: could be that it exists in newer drivers. You could ask in channel #linuxwireless
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[15:27] <Hopsy> frikinz: to who?
[15:27] <Hopsy> there is noyone there
[15:27] <akulbe> So... is there a more current and accurate install guide to follow, for Arch Linux? because the one at http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide has some inaccurate info.
[15:28] <frikinz> Hopsy: sorry #linux-wireless
[15:28] <frikinz> rpi-update needs more than 100Meg free space :(
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[15:37] <alex88> hi guys, in the gpio module for python you set GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BOARD) or GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)
[15:38] <alex88> what's the difference?
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[15:50] <akulbe> anyone here running Arch on their rPi?
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> alex88, I know nothing about the python libraries, but I wonder if its to do with pin numbering?
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[15:51] <alex88> gordonDrogon, it has, just figured out that BOARD uses ordered 1-25 pin names, BCM uses the real gpio number
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> alex88, 1-26 :)
[15:51] <alex88> gordonDrogon, yeah sorry :)
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> alex88, yet another pin number confusion scheme :)
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> although I wonder if I can add it into wiringPi ...
[15:51] <alex88> not sure which one I should start to use for my projects
[15:51] * gordonDrogon ponders
[15:51] <defsdoor> any use gpio for control led strings ?
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> alex88, I'd check the docs - note than the BCM pin numbers changed from rev1 to rev2 boards - see if the gio.board numbers reflect the right pins ...
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, yes.
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, oh - led or lcd ?
[15:52] <alex88> gordonDrogon, yeah just read about the change at http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, although driving leds sin't hard.
[15:53] <defsdoor> gordonDrogon, cool - I've got some ws2801 strings which I believe are simple as they have a clock and data line
[15:53] <alex88> also, gordonDrogon, I can use green pins (in the table) for in out without problems? i2c and 1wire are only specially used in that case, I can still use input/output on those pins right'
[15:53] <defsdoor> but I've also got some ws2811 on the way
[15:53] <defsdoor> I've been controlling them from arduino up to now
[15:53] <defsdoor> but I ran out of ram
[15:56] <defsdoor> is the 5v pin on the gpio headers supplied before or after the voltage regulator ?
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, ah, those - yes - use the SPI port on the Pi to drive them.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> alex88, yes, the 8 green pins are fine.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, 5v on the Pi isn't regulated.
[15:57] <defsdoor> cool so I can take from that without blowing up the pi :)
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> alex88, you can use the I2C pins too - but they have on-board 1.8K pull-ups.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, yes, but there is only about 150-200mA spare on it. Consider using external power and remembe that the Pi's outputs (& inputs) are 3.3v.
[15:58] <defsdoor> thats ok - 3.3v on clock/data is enough - or so I've read
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> alex88, actually, you can use all the pins as general purpose ones - just don't load the I2C and SPI modules (not loaded by default) and off you go.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, it usually is OK to drive 5v/ttl type peripherals.
[15:59] <defsdoor> gordonDrogon, when you say 200ma spare - isnt that dependent on the power supply used ?
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> I've not used those led drivers myself, but know people who have.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> defsdoor, sort of - the Pi has an on-board 700mA polyfuse though.
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> and the 5v on the GPIO is behind that.
[16:00] <defsdoor> oh
[16:00] <defsdoor> ok
[16:00] <defsdoor> makes things a little messy
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> you can power the pi thtough the 5v on the GPIO...
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> just don't connect the micro usb power lead...
[16:00] <alex88> gordonDrogon, in case of loaded modules and general purpose pin usage? something like http://www.gonzotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/divide3.jpg ?
[16:00] <defsdoor> oh right
[16:00] <defsdoor> thats cool then
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> but do take care - wrong polarity will kill the pi, etc.
[16:01] <defsdoor> only 1 psu needed (or no messing breaking the supply lead open)
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> alex88, Ha... That's a resovour overflow pipe :)
[16:01] <alex88> :)
[16:01] <alex88> btw, just starting using pins for general I/O, nothing more, maybe some 1wire on gpio4 later
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> alex88, however http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[16:02] <alex88> thanks for the tip man :)
[16:02] <alex88> yeah that's using all the 17 usable pins right?
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> you can use gpio 4 ok - again, aslong as you don't load the 1-wire module it's just a normal IO pin.
[16:02] <alex88> seen that pic some mins ago
[16:02] <alex88> kk, thank you very much!
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I like to use the I2C pins for inputs (for buttons) as they have the 1K8 resistors.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> so it saves setting the internal ones, or using external pul-up's.
[16:03] <aDro> Has anyone attached their RPi to their computer via Ethernet cable?
[16:03] <frikinz> yes
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> just be aware that they are high whend no button pressed, and low when pressed.
[16:03] <aDro> Did you use a Cross-over cable?
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> aDro, you mean directly without going via your lan/router/switch, etc. ?
[16:03] <aDro> gordonDrogon: Correct.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> aDro, I don't use x-over cables, but I think my laptops are auto sensing.
[16:04] <alex88> gordonDrogon, ok thanks for the tips, need to understand better things about resistors etc but i'll google for that :)
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> alex88, all my stuff is in C (or basic), but this might help: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/
[16:05] <frikinz> I didn't use a Xover cable. my laptop as gigabit so has autosensing
[16:05] <aDro> I have a Windows box with two network cards, and I would like to attempt to gain access to the internet through the machine without a router.
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> I think autosensing is built into the Gb specification anyway...
[16:06] <aDro> You are right gordonDrogon.
[16:06] <frikinz> so rpi-update and now my pi doesn't boot and I have no sd card reader
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> oops.
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> do you have a green light flash code?
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[16:07] <frikinz> rpi-update needs around 200MB free space. that's too much. it does a backup of /lib/modules to .bak but still leaves the old modules..
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> I've not run rpi-update for a vry long time now - just relying on apt-get update/upgrade...
[16:07] <frikinz> let me see the light :)
[16:08] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: I would have like to stay on my beloved apt-get but is the new kernel in a package?
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure I have had a new kernel via it.
[16:08] <jelly1> how do you guys compile stuff against videocore?
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[16:08] <jelly1> the includes fail here
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> is what I currently have.
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> jelly1, never tried it, sorry..
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[16:09] * jelly1 is on 3.6.11
[16:09] <frikinz> PWR lights is ON. OK is on for a second and goes off. that's it.
[16:09] <jelly1> archlinuxarm has the firmware shipped as a package btw
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> is that what rpi-update brings in?
[16:10] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: trying to add jpeg encoding to mjgp-streamer
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, Hm. sounds very low-level.. there is a set of flash codes 1-6 ...
[16:10] <frikinz> I wonder if it touched my cmdline as I boot on usb stick
[16:10] <jelly1> ohsnap should check the Makefile in hello_jpeg
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> just done an update/upgrade on a Pi and it's not pulling in a new kernel - I guess they're stuck at that one in the standard releases for now.
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[16:13] <frikinz> going to check the sd with my phone.. will be tricky to edit files :)
[16:14] <frikinz> I wonder if rpi-update pulls a stable branch or just master and how this is handle. that is.. does it pull something always bootable.
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[16:16] <frikinz> no. my cmdline is intact. uho
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> Hm. wonder what this poor little Pi is doing: 15:18:29 up 5 days, 24 min, 2 users, load average: 9.06, 8.02, 7.57
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> it's very slow )-:
[16:20] <jelly1> rawr
[16:20] <jelly1> archlinuxarm fails
[16:20] <frikinz> wow 9.06, you beat me
[16:21] <jelly1> they failed to ship some libs
[16:21] * jelly1 should complain at their irc
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> it's currently running one program that's doing a lot of I2C polling. (and some SPI bashing, but not much at present).
[16:21] <jelly1> woot linker failed
[16:21] <jelly1> gordonDrogon: poll less :p
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> jelly1, one program should not be able to get load over 1 though...
[16:22] <jelly1> hmm
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> the load average is the number of jobs marked as runnable.
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> (or running)
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[16:22] <jelly1> \o/
[16:22] <jelly1> compiled
[16:22] <jelly1> now to actually make mjpg-streamer use the gpu :)
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> the program is still running though - but it's a bit slow..
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[16:24] <gordonDrogon> seems to be spending most of the time in the kernel. I suspect the i2c code isn't too efficient then.
[16:24] <frikinz> there's latencytop that sometimes shows a bit what's happening.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> hm.new one on me ..don't appear to have that installed.
[16:25] <frikinz> I've also rebuilt it without X but if you either have X or space, take the official one
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> maybe I should use the interrupt pin to read the I2C...
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[16:27] <alex88> gordonDrogon, still a nice help, thanks for the link! ;)
[16:27] <alex88> cya later
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[16:33] <jelly1> hmm does hello_encode jpeg too?
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[16:35] <frikinz> Wonder what went wrong with my rpi-update. I'll see if the md5 of the files match. :(
[16:36] <frikinz> Has somebody used rpi-update in the last 3 days? I see /boot/* have been updated 3 days ago.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. it's the SPI bus bashing that's the real cpu thrasher. when I run the program with just the spi flooding, but not the i2c then it really stalls it. control-c took 10 seconds to get through.
[16:38] <jelly1> so hrrm you can decode a jpg, but you can't encode it?
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[16:46] <kgee> I'm trying to manage disk images for my PI. I can easily 'dd' the image to an SD card, but naturally when I dd it back it has expanded to fit the size of the card. Is there any way to compress a raw disk image so I can share my work more easily?
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[16:47] <|Jeroen|> you can use partimage
[16:47] <TheCommieDuck> Is there any way I'd be able to access an external HD plugged into my pi as a regular drive over my network..from a windows machine? Or is that asking too much of a windows->linux system thiongy?
[16:47] <xzr> samba sharing
[16:47] <kgee> |Jeroen|: Thanks! I knew it must exist somewhere
[16:47] <xzr> will work
[16:47] <TheCommieDuck> Oh, great.
[16:48] <|Jeroen|> nk kgee , i used it for backup and resote of sd, and it works great
[16:48] <|Jeroen|> np
[16:48] <TheCommieDuck> I planned to use my rpi in part as a media centre, but it'd be nice to avoid unplugging the HD from it to use it on my windows PC
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[16:49] <kgee> I'm working on the smallest clustering project I've ever come across, and being able to flash multiple disks quickly to several units is going to become important :)
[16:49] <|Jeroen|> nice
[16:49] <|Jeroen|> what are you planing to do with the cluster?
[16:50] <|Jeroen|> you could also boot then with an nfsroot
[16:50] <PhotoJim> TheCommieDuck: if you're going to leave that hard disk on your Pi perpetually, and only access it over the network, you might want to format it with a Linux filesystem... then you could share it over the network as either a Windows share or a Linux NFS share.
[16:50] <kgee> |Jeroen|: the goal is shifting along with my knoledge/expectations of the PI model B. Autonomous vehicles and computer vision is my area of interest, but the opengl ES / GPGPU / natural interaction over USB bandwidth is limited
[16:51] <|Jeroen|> ic
[16:51] <kgee> I might use a desktop for some large lifting, and a group of PI-bots I havent finished designing yet
[16:51] <kgee> still in early pre-alpha, if you catch my drift
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[16:52] <|Jeroen|> yeah nice
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is severely bandwidth limited though - just one USB with Ethernet connected to it.
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[16:53] * jelly1 founds the docs how to encode an image
[16:53] <jelly1> now to right a working jpeg encoding lib
[16:54] <kgee> gordonDrogon: Just yesterday I got my 150Mb/s low-draw wifi dongles going... Still a little bandwidth limited from what I read, but so far so good on powering the device, which is the issue many others have
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[16:55] <frikinz> COOL. it booted. start*.elf didn't update properly. that's strange.
[16:55] <frikinz> Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #348 PREEMPT Tue Jan 1 16:33:22 GMT 2013 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[16:56] <TheCommieDuck> PhotoJim: At this point, I'm not decided.
[16:57] <frikinz> Hum my cifs share don't mount anymore
[16:57] <TheCommieDuck> I plan on using it to store my movies, music, and probably steam games so I don't have to download them.
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[17:03] * markedathome is now trying to decide between playing dune 2 on dosbox on a pi, or one of the tomb raider games on a pc, that he got in the steam sale for 10ukp, or try and get ps1 emu and tombraider on that...
[17:06] <TheCommieDuck> if you bought them on steam, why emulate them? :P
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[17:08] <markedathome> because it would be fun to see if I can have tomb raider running on a pc, a pi and a ps - a p^3 if you will, without the charmed girls
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[17:22] <PhotoJim> TheCommieDuck: you basically want it to be a file server. I run one of those too (albeit not on a Pi) and I keep the network share in Linux ext4 format. I always access it over the network.
[17:24] <PhotoJim> TheCommieDuck: the only down side would be if you found the Pi's performance to be inadequate. If you had the network share in a Windows format, it would be easier to move it to your desktop, laptop, etc. But if you like the concept and don't like the Pi, the better answer (to me) would just be to get a faster file server, and run Linux on it too. And the Pi may well be enough if your demands aren't too extreme.
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[17:24] <PhotoJim> TheCommieDuck: a native Linux file system is likely to be faster for the Pi. One could test it.
[17:24] <PhotoJim> TheCommieDuck: and when you share a Linux file system via Samba, the Linux aspects of the file system are all transparent anyway.
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[17:44] <Torikun> would wireless n be faster than the pis Ethernet?
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[17:49] <|Jeroen|> no
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[17:50] <Torikun> ty
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[18:05] <kgee> 3 days with the PI and I'm already attempting to cross-compile a custom kernel to add LVS support. I think I'm addicted.
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[18:05] <netw1z> im on my pi now
[18:05] <netw1z> i share your feeling
[18:05] <Torikun> what's kvs
[18:06] <Torikun> lvs
[18:06] <kgee> Torikun: Linux Virtual Server; It's for cluster nodes and controllers
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[18:07] <Torikun> what is a use for it
[18:07] <kgee> Torikun: I have 4 R-PI's, and a task that is too large for one of them to perform. If the task is parallelizable/scalable, I can split it across the 4 units
[18:08] <Torikun> you have to have an app thast supports that though
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[18:08] <blaubel> hi all
[18:08] <kgee> Torikun: A large portion of the infrastructure is included in LVS, but yes. There are apps I need to install / develop
[18:09] <Torikun> that's what I hate about clkustering
[18:09] <Torikun> I thought in the beginning youth can run Firefox or gimp or any app in parallel
[18:10] <kgee> Torikun: I don't think the cluster will be difficult to manage. I find a lot of the troubles arise when people don't quite know which problems can be clustered and which need serial computation (which clustering can't typically help with)
[18:10] <Torikun> yeah
[18:10] <netw1z> wow!Q
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[18:11] <Torikun> clustering sounds cool in theory only lol
[18:11] <netw1z> you got 4 of them for 3 days kgee?
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[18:11] <rymate1234> just tried to run a vanilla minecraft server on the rpi
[18:11] <rymate1234> works
[18:11] <rymate1234> kinda
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[18:11] <kgee> netw1z: My order came in 3 days ago, yeah. Shipped the pis in one order, wifi and SD cards in another, and some electronic components for GPIO tinkering in a third.
[18:12] <netw1z> wow
[18:12] <netw1z> i felt guilty for having two
[18:12] <Torikun> when minecraft released
[18:12] <netw1z> :)
[18:12] <Torikun> OK got two at home lol
[18:12] <Torikun> lol
[18:13] <kgee> lol I've been waiting for them to not be sold out for 6 months while I drooled over hackaday posts and message boards.
[18:13] <Torikun> rusher81572.com is my pi www
[18:13] <kgee> when I had my chance, I took as many as I could reasonably see myself using in the next year. lol
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[18:14] <Torikun> I want the pi like device for 99
[18:14] <Torikun> much better
[18:14] <kgee> Torikun: pi-like device?
[18:14] <Torikun> let me find it
[18:15] <weltall> ouya
[18:15] <weltall> expensive too much
[18:15] <weltall> and it's not like at all XD
[18:15] <netw1z> yeah i got two because i have two projects for it
[18:15] <kau-> Where can i find a stable config.txt to clock my rpi with openelec, i am a newbie so i rather not put that config together myself :) Don't trust myself that much.
[18:15] <netw1z> but it might need three!
[18:16] <Torikun> pi too weak lol
[18:17] <kgee> haha well a portable / embedded system that could run a _real_ OS and support opengl ES shaders is what sold me. Even still, I'd like to find a device that could run a kinect or asus xtion device with openCL support, and the PI falls just a little short of that. It would take a good deal of hacking to get more than 2-5fps with RGB and depth map
[18:17] <kgee> but even with a slow framerate, theres a chance I can make use of it
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[18:19] <Shinda> <kau-> Where can i find a stable config.txt to clock my rpi with openelec, i am a newbie so i rather not put that config together myself :) Don't trust myself that much. ==> You can install the raspi-config tool
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[18:19] <ShiftPlusOne> kau-, why not use the default one?
[18:21] <kau-> forgot to mention that i have installed openelec
[18:21] <ShiftPlusOne> kau-, openelec doesn't come with a config file?
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[18:22] <ShiftPlusOne> kau-, the defaults are often just fine. You don't even have to have a config file, unless you want to specify some certain values... usually display mode and overclocking if you want to.
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[18:24] <kau-> ShiftPlusOne i don't know if openelec have configfile as default, i guess there is one but with default settings.. Just thought i could get some more power out of the pi, but i guess i will just settle with the defaults for now.. And se how it performs.
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[18:26] <ShiftPlusOne> kau-, ah, if you want it overclocked and stable you should adjust the values for your pi through trial and error, since all CPUs will perform differently.
[18:26] <kau-> true :)
[18:26] <ShiftPlusOne> start from here http://elinux.org/RPiconfig and take note of the warranty void condition.
[18:27] <netw1z> warranty!
[18:27] <netw1z> im pretty bad, i dont really think about warranty when it comes to thinks under $50 bux
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[18:28] <kau-> same here, lol
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[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> Why do people change their nick when they go away rather than just use /away?
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[18:39] <netw1z> so you'll miss em
[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
[18:40] <|Jeroen|> for the dumb people who do not know away
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> Not a reason to call anyone dumb =/
[18:41] <xrosnight> TAFB: i wrote a simple php script to test GPIO status on Raspberry Pi.
[18:41] <atouk> not everybody likes /away
[18:41] <atouk> pirates prefer /aweigh
[18:41] <ShiftPlusOne> >_<
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[18:55] <alex88> gordonDrogon, do you have a sec?
[18:55] <raspier> Does anyone know of a good way to install Raspbian libs from the repos into a rootfs on a x86 host? Apt-cross is deprecated.
[18:56] <frikinz> chroot ?
[18:56] <ShiftPlusOne> you mean something like this? debootstrap --foreign --variant=minbase --include=${EXTRA_PACKAGES} --arch=armhf --no-check-gpg testing ${CHROOT_PATH} http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/
[18:57] <alex88> btw, if someone could help, I've this relay board http://arduino-direct.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=156
[18:57] <alex88> but I don't get how to activate a relay
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> alex88, Hi?
[18:57] <alex88> setting pin to high doesn't make difference
[18:57] <alex88> gordonDrogon, was just asking :)
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> let me look at the board..
[18:58] <alex88> I've read there to remove the jumper but that didn't make any difference
[18:58] <alex88> thanks gordonDrogon
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> so Vcc is connected to the Pi's 3.3v ?
[18:59] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: Yes! Except I think I actually want multistrap
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> alex88, does the green LED come on when you set an output low?
[19:00] <UnaClocker> The Pi's 3.3v is only good for 100ma, it takes 80ma to drive a single relay.
[19:00] <alex88> gordonDrogon, sorry, I exchanged the 5v with the gnd :)
[19:00] <alex88> now, I've connected it properly
[19:00] <alex88> but with gpio 0 it closes the relay, with 1 it releases
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> ok. remove jumper for now, connect vcc to the Pi's 3.3 and set an output to ground.
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> green led ought to come on.
[19:01] <alex88> gordonDrogon, an output to ground?
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> do you have wiringPi installed?
[19:01] <alex88> gordonDrogon, nope? gimme second for that
[19:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I am not too familiar with debian and bootstrap and multistrap. >.> Just copied that command from someone else
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> alex88, git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi ; cd wiringPi ; ./build
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> this is just to give you the gpio command so you can toggle bits from the command-line.
[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> I tend to get by with scratchbox2 for these things.
[19:02] <alex88> gordonDrogon, already doing that via bash
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[19:03] <raspier> I just wanted apt access to rootfs basically - which multistrap provides
[19:03] <alex88> gordonDrogon, so basically now I have 5v -> vcc, gnd -> gnd, gpio #4 -> input8
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[19:03] <gordonDrogon> alex88, you can potentially destroy the Pi like that.
[19:04] <alex88> the only problem is that 0 -> on, 1 -> off
[19:04] <alex88> why?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> you must not connect 5v to a Pi's GPIO pin.
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[19:04] <alex88> nope, it's pi -> relay board
[19:04] <alex88> pi's v5 is on relay board vcc
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> so what goes to the anode of the LEDs?
[19:05] <alex88> they work fine, just they come up when output is 0
[19:05] <alex88> and they're down with 1
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> ok, but if you're not using the Pi's 3.3v to power the LEDs then you will destroy the Pi's GPIO pins, if not now, then in the future.
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> you power the LEDs with the 3.3 and the relays with the +5v
[19:06] <alex88> the vcc is to power the less?
[19:06] <frikinz> raspier: can't you use chroot?
[19:06] <alex88> *leds
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> looks like if you remove the jumper you isolate the supplys.
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[19:07] <alex88> gordonDrogon, but I should put the 5v into the jd-vcc connector right?
[19:07] <alex88> *pin
[19:07] <alex88> and the 3,3v to the vcc to power the leds
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, to power the relays - as long as it's not touching the 3.3v.
[19:08] <frikinz> so my old config.txt doesn't allow the pi to boot with the latest git rpi-firmware. wonder which line it doesn't like
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> alex88, however that article does say that some RPI's won't work reliably - and I can see why - it says that you might need to change the resistor from 1000?? to 220?? ... The Pi's 3.3 might not be able to drive those 2 LEDs in series.
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[19:10] <frikinz> does anyone mount cifs share from fstab with the 3.6.11 kernel?
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[19:10] <gordonDrogon> also you will need a separate PSU for the relays anyway - the Pi's 5V will not supply enough to make them all turn on.
[19:11] <alex88> gordonDrogon, oh well, first I should put the 5v to the jd-vcc, just to isolate first.. then I'll try some changes
[19:11] <alex88> gordonDrogon, yeah maybe that too
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[19:11] <alex88> if I use external PSU the gnd should go to that one?
[19:11] <raspier> frikinz: Not for a rootfs built for a different arch surely?
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> I'd forget the 5V and concentrate on getting the LED to light up reliably first.
[19:11] <frikinz> raspier: you can move a qemu static binary inside it
[19:11] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, with qemu you can chroot into an arm rootfs
[19:12] <frikinz> raspier: that's how I aptitude removed crap
[19:12] <alex88> gordonDrogon, forget the 5v and power it with what?
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[19:12] <alex88> I mean, continue using with 5v to vcc?
[19:12] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah I'm probably going to end up doing that
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> alex88, just power the LEDs with 3.3 to make sure the LEDs light first. One step at a time ..
[19:12] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, is this just for cross-compiling?
[19:12] <alex88> uh ok, sure, btw thanks for the tips?gtg now, cya later or another day? thank you very much again!
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> alex88, once you are confident you can turn the LED(s) on/off, then you can connect the 5v and listen for the click of the relay.
[19:13] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: Sort of :)
[19:13] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, sounds like scratchbox2 would come in handy for you.
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> the gpio command in wiringPi makes this easier than echo 1 > .... just type gpio -g mode 4 out ; gpio -g write 4 0 ; gpio -g write 4 1, etc.
[19:14] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: Yeah I think so. Are there some good links for setting it up?
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, yeah, ukscone wrote a pretty good guide, lemme find it.
[19:14] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, http://pastebin.com/4Jp1WPTb
[19:14] <frikinz> I wrote a quick one here http://teebeenator.blogspot.fr/2012/12/cross-compilation-with-scratchbox2.html :)
[19:15] <ShiftPlusOne> except I wouldn't use the mentor toolchain.
[19:16] <frikinz> in my tutorial I mention this one https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools.git . Which one would you advice ShiftPlusOne ?
[19:17] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, I tend to use the ubuntu/linaro one or the one you mentioned, yeah.
[19:17] <frikinz> ok. I also didn't mention the qemu linaro as I haven't seen any benefit
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> alex88, How are you getting on? Got that LED flashing yet?
[19:17] <ukscone> i just use codesourcery/mentor graphics toolchain as i'm lazy and when i first started using sb2 it was really the only option for toolchain that'd work
[19:18] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but not mentor have made it a pain
[19:18] <ukscone> now i just can't be bothered to change as my fingers autotype the wget url
[19:18] <ukscone> was going to say a rude word instead of bothered but i'd get kicked if i did
[19:18] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: No I have my own toolchain already - just not qemu/scratchbox
[19:19] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, can you still download it directly like that? To find the link on their site you have to give them your email and make an account, which is the main reason I avoid it, really.
[19:19] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: I'd just build it with ct-ng and distcc
[19:20] <ukscone> can someone explain to me why some people insist on using uppercase for filenames for their sourcecode written on windows but mean for linux, it's a right pita having to go through and change everything on case sensitive os's
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[19:20] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: not checked in months, it was ok last time i checked but that was in the summer
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[19:21] <ShiftPlusOne> fair enough
[19:21] <ukscone> i've been compiling nativly mostly recently, and messing around with chapel programming lang
[19:22] <ukscone> i need another 60 raspi's so i can really messaround with chapel
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[19:23] * ShiftPlusOne looks up chapel
[19:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Ah
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[19:28] <ukscone> ShiftPlusOne: works well on a couple of raspi's at once but really need lots of raspi's to make it worthwhile. but for learning the language a couple will do
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[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Don't have the need for it myself. I am still going between C and C++ and can't decide which one I prefer to use. =/
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> C FTW :)
[19:30] <ukscone> i have no need other than "because it's there"
[19:31] <alex88> gordonDrogon, before, with the 5v to the vcc, it was working fine both led and relay, but tried just one
[19:31] <ShiftPlusOne> ukscone, there are a lot of languages just there, heh.
[19:31] <ukscone> and years ago i meessed with occam & transputers
[19:31] <alex88> and it was on with gpio at 0 and off with gpio at 1
[19:31] <ukscone> friend of a friend at stanford did a lot of occam stuff for his phd
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> urk... I wrote transputer assembler onceuponatime..
[19:32] <ukscone> but he was weird anyway
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> alex88, ok. what's happening is that the 3.3 is not providing enough drive to the LEDs, so you need to reduce the value of the series resistor. if you need on putting 5v into a gpio pin you will destroy it.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> I did lots of C on transputers too.
[19:32] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, yeah, I like C, but it seems like all the major libraries are written to be used with C++. Also, I want to write an SDL/OpenGLES gui library and the OO features really help out a lot.
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> occam was read only for me, although I did write one occam program... to load a C program.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> guess it depends on what you're used to - and what you need to do.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I did once work for a company and spent a year writing C++ for them. really didn't enjoy it..
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> that may have been their huge c++ framework though.
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[19:36] <UnaClocker> TAFB: I got PHP working on my webserver, finally.
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[19:40] <ukscone> i've just been asked to learn java and android to write an app. i'd rather wreastle an alligator that learn java or android :)
[19:40] <frikinz> Now you need to use some kind of opcode caching
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> ukscone, maybe it depends on how much they're payin you?
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[19:40] <ukscone> i'm going to try to annoy a friend and get him to do it for me. i'll just take a 60% finders fee
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> I've been using eacellerator for php caching... seems ok..
[19:41] <frikinz> I started a bit java for android. but java :( I looked at the android-terminal app all in java and decided it was not for me
[19:41] <UnaClocker> java sucks..
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[19:42] <frikinz> if val.equal(val2) ..
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[19:43] <UnaClocker> Ahh, objects.. Who needs efficient use of ram...
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[19:48] <gordonDrogon> thingk it might be time to think about going to neighbours 12th knight party...
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> even if it only the 11th.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> but they always do good cakes :)
[19:49] <markedathome> hope you have a sword
[19:49] <markedathome> or will someone called arthur have one?
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[19:52] <gordonDrogon> Heh... and I can see tha tthere's people there already (litterally over the road from me!) always hate being the first to turn up :)
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[19:55] <frikinz> anyone knows what line in fstab work for mounting cifs share. with a recent kernel > 3.4 ? I've tried a dozen combinations. always cryptic error -22 ..
[19:55] <frikinz> my old line that worked on 3.2 doesn't on the new 3.6.11
[19:57] <s5fs> frikinz: java is a pain but it's still crazy popular. doesn't hurt to know it, but it can hurt to learn.
[19:58] <Gorroth> hi
[19:58] <s5fs> Gorroth: hi
[19:58] <Gorroth> can i add a comment to cmdline.txt?
[19:58] <s5fs> no idea, give it a try and let us know
[19:58] <Gorroth> i can't
[19:59] <s5fs> no?
[19:59] <Gorroth> wondering before i do it to this sd card. just want to know before i put it in there and then go home and find it not working
[19:59] <s5fs> ah..
[19:59] <frikinz> s5fs: yes it's popular. I've done java for 2y in school. then moved to c++. now not programming so much anyway. only perl.
[20:00] <Gorroth> mmm, c++
[20:00] <frikinz> I can't imagine how many people have struggled with cifs error codes in dmesg
[20:00] <s5fs> nice, i'm hoping to spend some time with c++ this year as well
[20:01] <s5fs> frikinz: i havne't messed with cifs/smb in a while, but have you tried smbmount (or whatever) to confirm everything else is working?
[20:02] <frikinz> s5fs: well, the server hasn't moved a bit. the pi kernel has on the other side
[20:02] <s5fs> frikinz: understood. i'm wondering if switching tools will surface a more useful error.
[20:02] <frikinz> I have the same problem on my laptop with 3.6 in fact. not a pi specificity
[20:03] <xrosnight> yeah!
[20:03] <s5fs> frikinz: i've got nothing newer than 3.2 kernels.
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[20:04] <xrosnight> i have finished my simple page for GPIO on my raspberry pi. anyone wants to turn my LED light OFF, or ON ? :D http://xroslight.oicp.net:81/test.php
[20:04] <s5fs> xrosnight: yes!
[20:04] <xrosnight> s5fs: let's try :D
[20:04] <frikinz> On
[20:04] <xrosnight> you turned it on!
[20:04] <s5fs> nice!
[20:04] <xrosnight> who turned it off ? :D
[20:04] <alex88> gordonDrogon, from what I've read is that the gpio is active low, isn't it?
[20:05] <s5fs> me
[20:05] <s5fs> xrosnight: great success!
[20:05] <xrosnight> s5fs: thanks . :D very interesing
[20:05] <xrosnight> since i am in China now
[20:06] <xrosnight> s5fs: tomorrow i will show it to my mum very exciting :)
[20:06] <s5fs> xrosnight: i'm in america, fun to turn lights on that far away
[20:06] <xrosnight> s5fs: yeah. that's very funny indeed :D
[20:06] <xrosnight> is5f: i have an arduino
[20:06] <s5fs> xrosnight: if you want, i have a webpage with a lightbulb and javascript to toggle it
[20:07] <xrosnight> later i want to hook my servo up with arduino then control it online :)
[20:07] <s5fs> xrosnight: my first rpi project was turning on an led via a web page, an arduino is the device directly managing the led.
[20:07] <xrosnight> s5fs: really.
[20:07] <s5fs> xrosnight: yeah, it's wired up for socket.io but you can cut that stuff out or do whatever
[20:08] <frikinz> it can even display messages!
[20:08] <frikinz> http://xroslight.oicp.net:81/test.php?command=%3C/body%3E%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert(%22hi%22)%3C/SCRIPT%3E
[20:08] <frikinz> :p
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[20:09] <Gorroth> xrosnight: what's it doing now?
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[20:09] <s5fs> frikinz: haha, chromium prevents that from working, but it's a cute hack
[20:09] <s5fs> xrosnight: santize your inputs, haha
[20:09] <xrosnight> frikinz: hahahahaha :D
[20:09] <frikinz> s5fs: yeah took me some time to understand. chromium didn't work :)
[20:09] <Gorroth> xrosnight: what is the LED doing now
[20:10] <xrosnight> Gorroth: it is on
[20:10] <Gorroth> is it going on and off?
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[20:10] <xrosnight> frikinz: your script is very interesting " Hi"!
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[20:10] <xrosnight> Gorroth: http://xroslight.oicp.net:81/test.php
[20:11] <Gorroth> nevermind... you do it as a POST
[20:11] <Gorroth> not a GET
[20:11] <Gorroth> i'll fix that
[20:12] <s5fs> xrosnight: anyways, if you want that code i'll PM you a link
[20:12] <s5fs> its truly nothing fancy
[20:12] <xrosnight> s5fs: you could PM me.
[20:12] <xrosnight> s5fs: thank you. i will try to toggle it :D
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[20:16] <Gorroth> xrosnight: what's happening now?
[20:16] <Gorroth> xrosnight: is it going on and off?
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[20:16] <xrosnight> Gorroth: you do it again. i wasn't here
[20:16] <s5fs> Gorroth: there's a status message at the bottom of hte page, i'm assuming that reflects the real status
[20:16] <Gorroth> i'm doing it right now
[20:17] <xrosnight> Gorroth: it's on now
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[20:17] <xrosnight> off
[20:17] <xrosnight> on
[20:18] <xrosnight> off on
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[20:18] <Gorroth> there, now it's working
[20:18] <Gorroth> i thought you were sending POST data
[20:18] <Gorroth> looks like you do it via GET
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[20:18] <xrosnight> Gorroth: yeah. i do it via GET
[20:18] <xrosnight> <form method = post>
[20:18] <xrosnight> $_GET["command"]
[20:19] <Gorroth> did your rpi die?
[20:19] <s5fs> ah, php. i'm lazy and prefer $_REQUEST haha
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[20:19] <Gorroth> i prefer django
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[20:20] <s5fs> currently i prefer node.js, that's whats buttering my bread
[20:21] <xrosnight> Gorroth: i havent started django tour. what's new?
[20:21] <Gorroth> xrosnight: is it changing fairly quickly now?
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[20:21] <Gorroth> don't know what's new in it.
[20:21] <Gorroth> i'm using 1.4.x
[20:22] <Gorroth> i need to find a way to hack your system to run some code so that your rpi just calls its own command to flip on and off over and over again
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[20:23] <xrosnight> Gorroth: that's interesting
[20:24] <xrosnight> Gorroth: i have done once before i got my raspberry pi.
[20:24] <xrosnight> now i still have his server address :D
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[20:25] <Gorroth> http://bpaste.net/show/u9vYuGSAVK0Vszf4VZga/
[20:25] <s5fs> Gorroth: what do you mean?
[20:25] <Gorroth> that's my hackz codez
[20:27] <s5fs> Gorroth: haha! i'll bang out in javascript, hang tite
[20:27] <Gorroth> nice
[20:27] <xrosnight> s5fs: he means in the case that i used POST and _GET to acquire commands from buttons, he did this to make my LED light on/off infinitely :D
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[20:27] <s5fs> yup, i'm writing a little script to turn it on/off too
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[20:28] <Gorroth> what would be really cool since you're not sanitizing your data is if i can get around your php and make the rpi go crazy turning it on/off
[20:28] <xrosnight> Gorroth: did you run your python script?
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[20:29] <Gorroth> earlier i did
[20:30] <Gorroth> it's not running right now
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[20:37] <alex88> gordonDrogon, as you advised, I've connected the vcc to the 3.3v, jd-vcc to the 5v, the led is on, but relay doesn't switch
[20:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Well I am not having much luck with code injection there (nothing sinister, just checking)
[20:39] <s5fs> xrosnight: here's some silly js to hit the page over and over, toggling the state http://jsfiddle.net/VT4PU/
[20:39] <xrosnight> s5fs: haha!
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[20:40] <xrosnight> it's a little bit slow to open the page
[20:41] <markedathome> create a morse encoder and feed it on-off for timed pulse lengths.
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[20:42] <xrosnight> s5fs: did you run that?
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[20:43] <s5fs> i don't think so, but i'm cleaning up tabs so.. maybe?
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[20:44] <TomWij> What about `while true; do wget -w1 http://xroslight.oicp.net:81/test.php?command={on,off}; sleep 1; done`?
[20:45] <TomWij> (And perhaps add "-O -" and "> /dev/null" to not make it store the output.)
[20:45] <s5fs> TomWij: nice, you could also use curl
[20:45] <TomWij> (Or use CURL, ...)
[20:45] <s5fs> jinx!
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[20:56] <xrosnight> TomWij: i didn't see it blinks
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[20:57] <TomWij> I didn't run it, of course you didn't see it blink.
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[20:58] <xrosnight> TomWij: but it works :D
[21:00] <alex88> hi guys, I've connected a tester from gnd -> gpio4 and it works, from gnd -> gpio25 and it works, gnd -> gpio24 and it doesn't work? is a problem with my raspberry?
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[21:03] <kgee> Trying to install a custom kernel in Arch Linux ARM. the contents of /boot/config.txt do not specify the original /boot/kernel.img as the preferred kernel, so I'm unsure how to specify that /boot/kernel_custom.img should be used instead
[21:03] <xrosnight> someone 's running script :D
[21:03] <alex88> the just checked and i2c modules were loaded? trying to reboot without them
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[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> kgee, it's always kernel.img
[21:04] <kgee> ShiftPlusOne: should I simply copy it to /boot/kernel.img.bak before moving the new one into its place?
[21:04] <ShiftPlusOne> kgee, yup
[21:04] <kgee> awesome. I'm a firmware update away from testing this then. Thanks!
[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[21:07] <zezba9000> ok, so ive been stuck trying to get my program to link to libbcm_host.so for a while now. I'm going through this:http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LibraryArchives-StaticAndDynamic.html
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[21:09] <zezba9000> ive made an alias with 'ln -sf' and set '/etc/ld.so.conf' to include 'opt/vc/lib'
[21:09] <zezba9000> I rebooted my system and still no luck
[21:09] <zezba9000> im on ArchLinux arm btw
[21:10] <alex88> seems both 23 and 24 are not working :(
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[21:12] <zezba9000> then I run 'ldconfig' as root in the 'etc' directory
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[21:17] <zezba9000> Is this the correct format: 'ldconfig -r /'
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[21:18] <kgee> zezba9000: Is this a C/C++ program you're linking the library to? I often use the -L and -I flags in my g++ commands to link to .so files in unknown paths
[21:18] <kgee> as for ldconfig and your method, I'm afraid I dont know much about it
[21:19] <zezba9000> kgee: No its not, its written in mono c#. All my other .so files are linking correctly just not libbcm_host.so
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[21:20] <zezba9000> kgee: So the only linking that happens is at runtime, no compile time linking.
[21:20] <kgee> zezba9000: Than you'll need advice from someone with mono or libbcm experience, which excludes me.
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[21:20] <zezba9000> kgee: k
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[21:21] <ShiftPlusOne> don't think mono works on pi
[21:21] <zezba9000> ShiftPlusOne: No it works fine, idk why everyone thinks that
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> not from what you've said so far =p
[21:22] <zezba9000> ShiftPlusOne: I'm creating a x11 window and getting input from it and everything in mono, i'm even creating a EGL context
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> pretty sure I've seen plugwash say it doesn't
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[21:22] <ShiftPlusOne> but hey, if it works, it works =D
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[21:23] <kgee> Yesterday I had to explain why the recent JDK support for ARM processors doesn't mean it's a good idea to try and port eclipse to the PI...
[21:23] <zezba9000> ShiftPlusOne: well idk what he was doing, but he's wrong. He need an update :)
[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> kgee that won't stop people
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> people will continue trying to host minecraft server, using heatsinks and doing all kinds of silly things.
[21:24] <ShiftPlusOne> *servers
[21:24] <kgee> ShiftPlusOne: true, and it's good to have the early adopters bang their head against the wall and get the preliminary work done. Who knows, R-PI model C might have the clout to run it
[21:24] <zezba9000> kgee: I'm trying to port simple games over to pi...
[21:25] <zezba9000> kgee: I think thats a good idea ;)
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> there's certainly no model C on the horizon
[21:25] <kgee> zezba9000: I'm trying to make a GPGPU cluster on the PI, so I'm not one to really talk
[21:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[21:27] <kgee> Because when I see a tiny, cost effective, low power computer, my first instinct is 'lets get enough of them to fill a desktop, and turn them into a cluster that can't outperform a desktop of the same size/wattage
[21:27] <zezba9000> idk why ppl still think mono doesn't run on pi as MonoGame demo's have been out for a while now
[21:28] <zezba9000> kgee: well they might outperfor if you use the GPU
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> zebra are you using mono from the raspbian repos?
[21:28] <zezba9000> im on Arch Linux
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> heh... zebra
[21:28] <ShiftPlusOne> zezba9000*
[21:28] <kgee> zezba9000: That's the experiment, in a nutshell. Going to make some algorithm primitives (sorting, vector math, etc) using OGLES shaders, and run some benchmarks
[21:28] <zezba9000> and yes I did also try it on Rasbian and it worked fine there too
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> [12:29] <plugwash> currently mono DOES NOT work correctly on raspbian
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> [12:30] <plugwash> at least the version of mono in the raspbian repos doesn't
[21:29] <zezba9000> ShiftPlusOne: no it does I did it two days ago
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> I'd expect him to know, but I guess there are different standards for 'works'
[21:29] <zezba9000> I can write and send you a demo to prove it
[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> and what 'properly' means might be different too
[21:30] <ShiftPlusOne> no, I beleive you, I guess he's saying that there are certain things that don't.
[21:30] <zezba9000> ya maybe there are some stuff ppl wanted to use that didn't work idk
[21:30] <zezba9000> but for 3D games it will work
[21:31] <defsdoor> well I havent blew my pi up yet
[21:31] <ShiftPlusOne> defsdoor, don't worry, you'll get there eventually.
[21:31] <defsdoor> wired it up to be powered by the io headers and connected 4m or led strings
[21:31] <zezba9000> kgee: That sounds cool
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[21:32] <defsdoor> what I have done - and I cant believe I've acted like such a noob
[21:32] <defsdoor> is lock me out my pi - I locked pi's password after adding my own user and forgot to add me to the sudoers group :o
[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> did you set a root password?
[21:32] <defsdoor> quicker to reload the SD card than to find a usb keyboard
[21:32] <defsdoor> ShiftPlusOne, no
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> you could modify the sudoers file from your pc, I suppose
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> or boot with init=/bin/bash
[21:33] <defsdoor> just reloaded the os - all done now
[21:33] <xrosnight> someone's playing the LED :D
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[21:34] <defsdoor> I've been playing with arduino and led pixels for some time - with the play to make an equinox clock
[21:34] <ShiftPlusOne> xrosnight, attach a webcam and a character display for more fun =D
[21:34] <defsdoor> but I kept runnig out of ram
[21:34] <defsdoor> so I figured a pi with wifi would be neat - could sync the clock etc..
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[21:34] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: yeah. but i met a trouble that. the webcam need much more current
[21:35] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, there's that.
[21:36] <xrosnight> i have a webcam tested which needs about 120mA 5V. once it is hooked up with Rspi, raspi dies.
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[21:36] <defsdoor> xrosnight, small usb hub ?
[21:36] <ShiftPlusOne> perhaps it needs a higher current to power up initially?
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[21:37] <ShiftPlusOne> but yeah, it doesn't take much to trip that polyfuse
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[21:38] <xrosnight> i went out to buy USB-HUB power supply, DIdn't find one. in the end i bought a 5V 2.4A DV adaptor to build my own USB-HUB LOL
[21:38] * ShiftPlusOne is tempted to start kicking people who change their nick for no reason >.>
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[21:41] <ShiftPlusOne> >=/
[21:43] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: and it didn't work once i took the two power cables of the webcam out and connected them with the the 5V 2.4A adaptor, then i connected the Data+ Data- cables with those on the raspberry pi. Raspi doesn't boot. and the insta-current is about 60mA. How do you think of it?
[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> how was the pi itself powered?
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[21:45] <mdszy> ShiftPlusOne, MicroUSB
[21:45] <ShiftPlusOne> xrosnight, was it the same 2.4A adaptor?
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[21:47] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: no. it is powered by a 1A 5V adapter of my HTC phone
[21:47] <zezba9000> I power mine off a iPhone3Gs charger
[21:47] <zezba9000> 1A 5v
[21:47] <mdszy> I power mine from my laptop's USB port, or from a Kindle charger
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[21:48] <ShiftPlusOne> might be a problem with using two different supplies on one set of 5v/gnd lines.
[21:48] <zezba9000> mdszy: laptop usb ports probably don't have to many amps right?
[21:49] <mdszy> zezba9000, I dunno, all I know is that it works!
[21:49] <xrosnight> mdszy: it's 500mA 5V i guess from your laptop.
[21:50] <mdszy> i'm not sure, it's a Thinkpad E530, not entirely sure the exact specs on the power from the USB
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> most usb ports con provide much more than the 500mA they should AFAIK
[21:50] <zezba9000> mdszy: I would be careful not to overload you laptop if you plug lots of stuff in your Pi
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> *can
[21:50] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: do you mean that if i use the 5V 2.4A to power the webcam and the raspi together, then all will be fine?
[21:50] <zezba9000> mdszy: idk though
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> xrosnight, I don't know, I am just speculating.
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[21:50] <xrosnight> ShiftPlusOne: i didn't try. i will check it out later
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[21:51] <kgee> speaking of PI and USB power, I've heard a lot about issues with high USB load (more than 120mA, I think?) My question is: "is the pi board providing this limitation, or the power supply?". That is, if I have a 2A power supply going to the PI, does that mitigate the USB power draw issue, or is it caused internally by the PI board?
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> kgee, which revision?
[21:52] <kgee> model B?
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[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> revision, not model. How long ago did you buy it?
[21:52] <zezba9000> kgee: good question
[21:52] <kgee> ShiftPlusOne: A week ago; Just got it in the mail 3 days ago
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> then it's revision 2
[21:52] <ShiftPlusOne> there's a polyfuse on the input
[21:52] <kgee> good to know
[21:53] <kgee> the polyfuse is the problem, from what I understand
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[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> when current exceeds a certain amount, it starts to increase the resistance, until it's essentially an open circuit
[21:53] <ShiftPlusOne> so the voltage starts to drop off and the pi shuts down
[21:54] <kgee> ah, so supplying the PI with more power isn't going to give me more USB power if the polyfuse still freaks out
[21:55] <kgee> (as a 'software guy', the R-PI has really put my electronics knowledge to the test)
[21:55] <ShiftPlusOne> kgee, you can put a 1ohm resistor across the polyfuse or just short it out
[21:56] <ShiftPlusOne> and then you will be limited by the supply
[21:56] <ShiftPlusOne> well, I am off
[21:56] <ShiftPlusOne> 'night
[21:56] <kgee> ShiftPlusOne: Good to know, but I'm going to wait until there's a need first.
[21:56] <kgee> later! and thanks
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[22:11] <risc> hi all
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[22:25] <ryankarason> hello there pi'ars. i tried using a old IDE ribbon to get some female ports for the GPIO, but as soon as i install it the raspberry pi shuts down.
[22:25] <ryankarason> why is this?
[22:25] <ryankarason> any thoughts welcome.
[22:26] <J_Rey> ok so from the GPIO is plugged into what?
[22:26] <J_Rey> cable is secondary
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[22:27] <rikkib> What revision?
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[22:27] <Holden> ryankarason, yes, on some ide cables some pins *might* be shorted together, check them with a multimeter
[22:28] <defsdoor> cool - got spi to my leds working - quicker than I was expecting
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[22:30] <ryankarason> Holden: thanks, i was thinking that was likely the issue. it is an old cable i found, but still in its plastic! :P
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[22:31] <Holden> ryankarason, np. btw if it does have both connector attached, they probability of some pins to be shorted is higher...
[22:32] <kgee> 'du' is telling me I have 1.3G in my root directory, and a ~450mb download can't find enough space on disk. I'm guessing I forgot to resize the disk partition when I installed Arch on my 16Gb SD card.
[22:33] <mdszy> kgee, yes, you did
[22:33] <mdszy> kgee, what OS do you use on your main computer?
[22:33] <mdszy> because it's super easy to just put the SD card in and resize it with Gparted
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[22:34] <mdszy> if you're on Linux
[22:35] <kgee> hmm. SD card reader is in my win 7 laptop. I've got an ubuntu VM and an Arch Bang desktop around, but no card reader. *sigh*
[22:36] <mdszy> how'd you get the OS on in the first place, then?
[22:36] <kgee> mdszy: win32diskimager
[22:37] <mdszy> kgee, well, without an SD card reader
[22:37] <Holden> kgee, use raspi-config and resize your partition
[22:37] <kgee> basically has "image to card" and "card to image" functionality. pretty slim
[22:38] <kgee> Holden: That's interesting... Can this be done live on the PI? I'm trying to download the firmware for a kernel update, and it's not exactly in a rebootable state right now
[22:38] <ryankarason> you might* be able to get gparted for cygwin
[22:39] <kgee> ryankarason: not in my cygwin install yet... I'll take a look through their repo
[22:39] <Holden> kgee, yes, it can do it live, but I would wait until you have finished your stuff and make sure you have a backup of important things
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[22:40] <Holden> kgee, you could also make and format another partition and mount it somewhere in the fs...
[22:41] <kgee> Holden: I've been tracking my work and saving things so far. If it crashed I'd have to run a script or two to pull it back together to the point it's at now, but not a real loss. I might just try it live, finish copying my firmware and hope for the best on the reboot. "winging it" as the saying goes
[22:42] <Holden> kgee, great, I hope it'll work, it has for me every time
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[22:57] <sesam> anyone using a webcam that works in the dark on the RPI?
[22:57] <sesam> need a good one for survailence
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[22:59] <Torikun> yo
[23:00] <sesam> tja
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[23:11] <sraue> kau-, you can edit the config.txt within openelec via ssh, or if you want via a second (windows) pc if its easyer, our default config.txt is well documented, so its should be not hard
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[23:11] <kau-> this hardware i
[23:11] <sraue> of you do via ssh dont forget to remount /flash read/write before: "mount -o remount,rw /flash"
[23:11] <kau-> ops.. that went wrong
[23:12] <kau-> okey, thnx for info :)
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[23:13] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, kau-, our default config.txt looks like: https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/tools/bcm2835-bootloader/files/3rdparty/bootloader/config.txt
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[23:13] <kau-> tyvm
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[23:23] <TAFB> woot! citadel e-mail up and working, webmail, incoming port 25, pop3, the works! YAY! Uses catch-all through exim too :) status page, http://tafb.yi.org and webmail http://tafb.yi.org/webmail
[23:23] <TAFB> woot woot
[23:23] <TAFB> if you'd like an e-mail address you@tafb.xxx just lemme kno
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[23:27] <kgee> Neat dashboard TAFB
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[23:29] <TAFB> thanks :)
[23:29] <sheldor> TAFB: do you have a fixed ip or are you using a CNAME record to a yi.org or something?
[23:30] <sheldor> i mean you cannot set a CNAME in MX right?
[23:30] <TAFB> i'm using a free service from dnsexit.com
[23:30] <sheldor> thats cool
[23:30] <TAFB> it automatically updates all your CNAME, A records, MX records, with your dynamic ip address :)
[23:30] <sheldor> oh
[23:30] <TAFB> works freakin SWEET
[23:30] <sheldor> i see
[23:31] <sheldor> so it catches your actual numeric ip and changes the MX record accordingly every time your ip changes?
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[23:31] <TAFB> yeppers
[23:31] <sheldor> but doesnt it take hours to propagate?
[23:31] <TAFB> the TTL is set to 1min, so it'll only be down for 60 seconds
[23:31] <TAFB> my IP changes like once a month, so no biggie
[23:31] <sheldor> haha oh cool
[23:32] <TAFB> plus mail servers usually retry a few times on getting a MX: no connect, so I've never ever missed an e-mail due to the dns changing.
[23:32] <sheldor> TAFB: did you consider just setting a CNAME to taft.yi.org and setting no MX at all, hoping that most mail servers will take the CNAME?
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[23:32] <TAFB> i don't use e-mail on tafb.yi.org, just toysareforboys.com, tafb.xxx and hawthornevalleygolf.com
[23:33] <TAFB> their MX works, I ain't messin with it :)
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[23:33] <sheldor> TAFB: i just mean you can point the CNAME of any of these domains to tafb.yi.org
[23:33] <TAFB> and just so you know, all of the above sites are hosted on my little seagate box (that's in the status page) :)
[23:33] <sheldor> so you dont need the dnsexit
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[23:33] <TAFB> sheldor: if you go to http://toysareforboys.com then it would change the domain url to tafb.yi.org right?
[23:33] <sheldor> TAFB: no
[23:34] <TAFB> hmmm
[23:34] <sheldor> the domain in the browser stays the same
[23:34] <TAFB> sorry, I'm a DNS noob :)
[23:34] <sheldor> no problem so am i
[23:34] <sheldor> i am still trying to find out whether i can run a mail server without an MX
[23:34] <TAFB> you can not
[23:34] <sheldor> apparently you can with most mail servers
[23:34] <sheldor> because they just take the CNAME
[23:34] <TAFB> when a remote mail server tries to deliver mail to you@joeblow.com and queries joeblow.com for "mx" address and then delivers to that address.
[23:35] <TAFB> oh
[23:35] <sheldor> but i dont know how reliable that is
[23:35] <TAFB> like if MX is missing, the use cname? sweet.
[23:35] <TAFB> never knew that.
[23:35] <sheldor> yeah
[23:35] <TAFB> why don't you have MX records? lol
[23:35] <sheldor> but im not sure which percentage does it
[23:35] <sheldor> TAFB: the problem is you cannot point an MX to a dynamic name
[23:35] <TAFB> just so you know, you can point MX records to a domain name (like tafb.yi.org) even though it says you can NEVER do that.
[23:35] <sheldor> you need a hardcoded IP in the MX (unlinke in the CNAME)
[23:35] <TAFB> I do that, and have never had an issue ;)
[23:35] <sheldor> oh
[23:35] <sheldor> you can?
[23:35] <sheldor> oh
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[23:36] <TAFB> sheldor: yep, they say it doesn't work, but it does.
[23:36] <TAFB> one sec for link
[23:36] <sheldor> TAFB: then why do you need dnsexit in the first place?
[23:36] <TAFB> sheldor: so the WEBSITE of toysareforboys.com goes to my home dynamic ip address.
[23:37] <TAFB> sheldor: check out this freaky MX record: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3atafb.xxx
[23:37] <Torikun> yo
[23:37] <sheldor> TAFB: why dont you just set the CNAME and MX of toysareforboys.com to tafb.yi.org directly with your provider?
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[23:37] <TAFB> sheldor: I would not get CNAME of tafb.yi.org to work :(
[23:37] <sheldor> i dont see which service dnsexit offers you
[23:37] <sheldor> TAFB: why do you think so? CNAMEs are the only records where you can official set a domain name
[23:37] <sheldor> i didnt know it works for MX too
[23:38] <sheldor> officially*
[23:38] <TAFB> when I put tafb.yi.org in for CNAME I always go a dns error with godaddy... i'm checking my dns records now
[23:38] <Torikun> i learned a lot about dns and domains after etting my pi
[23:38] <Torikun> lol
[23:38] <sheldor> ah
[23:38] <TAFB> lol
[23:38] <sheldor> hehe
[23:39] <TAFB> Torikun: I got my e-mail ALL workin!
[23:39] <TAFB> Torikun: you want torikun@tafb.xxx to test out?!?!
[23:39] <Torikun> citadel!
[23:39] <TAFB> Citadel FTW!
[23:39] <Torikun> lol
[23:39] <Torikun> can you check from non-server ?
[23:39] <TAFB> exim + citadel = rock and roll
[23:39] <Torikun> and send
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[23:40] <TAFB> Torikun: it's a freaky setup, lol. you can receive on torikun@tafb.xxx but sending is a little strange :)
[23:40] <Torikun> what about sending from any computer? remember we had that issue on mine
[23:40] <TAFB> no sendinging
[23:40] <TAFB> at all
[23:40] <TAFB> lol
[23:40] <Torikun> y
[23:40] <rikkib> rdns
[23:40] <sheldor> why doesnt sending work?
[23:40] <TAFB> cause of no need to at the moment, I use 3rd party SMTP (not through citadel), so didn't feel like getting it forwarding through gmail :)
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[23:41] <TAFB> sheldor: cause my ISP blocks outgoing SMTP traffic to all servers except their own
[23:41] <sheldor> oh damn
[23:41] <TAFB> sheldor: and I can't use their servers cause they don't accept me@mydomain.com
[23:41] <TAFB> only me@myisp.com
[23:41] <sheldor> i see
[23:41] * rikkib has his own mail server running on this machine (Home adsl fixed ip)
[23:42] <TAFB> rikkib: wish I could buy a static IP, isp does not allow :(
[23:42] <nickgaw> Hi, How in raspbian console do I just connect to my encrypted wireless network just one command I need network name and the key what command do I type in with my entwork name and key not all of these modes and channels and other settings I know nothing about I just want to connect to a wireless network using wlan0 as iwlist does see my wireless network!
[23:42] <rikkib> I had to look around
[23:42] <defsdoor> hmm chips get warm
[23:43] <rikkib> But I am not the normal user I guess.
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[23:43] <nickgaw> and also how can I have it come up as early in the boot process as possible like the normal lan interface comes up?
[23:44] <TAFB> rikkib: I am not normal either, my ISP is thinking of dropping me as a customer cause I downloaded 3.8TB last month :( so I might be shopping for a new one. will make sure they don't block port 80 or 25 and offer static ip :)
[23:44] <rikkib> A couple of years ago the govt ISP tossed me... I took them to court.
[23:44] <sheldor> lol what did you dl TAFB
[23:44] <rikkib> I embarrassed them in public even though I lost...
[23:44] <sheldor> TAFB: you mean some isps block incoming 80 for a httpd?
[23:44] <TAFB> I download lots, my friend got 4000p TV so downloaded a few movies for him, they were 600gb each :(
[23:44] <sheldor> wow 4000p
[23:45] <sheldor> rofl
[23:45] <sheldor> 600gb
[23:45] <TAFB> sheldor: yep, lots of ISP's here block port 80 incoming, ALL of them except the one I am on block port 25 incoming.
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[23:45] <Torikun> y
[23:45] <rikkib> Cost me $60NZD... The govt isp lots and they resigned from the org that monitors isp's
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[23:45] <TAFB> sheldor: yeah, he works for sony, got special TV, comes with 4000p media player box, it's pretty weird setup.
[23:45] <sheldor> nice
[23:45] <nickgaw> I just had to call at&t to have them unblock port 25 when I first got my service no issues.
[23:46] <TAFB> lol, I call my ISP "hey, is this port blocked..?" "ARE YOU RUNNING SERVER? WE DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW!" lol.
[23:46] <Torikun> dam
[23:46] <Torikun> why do isps hate home servers?
[23:46] <frikinz> Sounds horrible isp to forbid servers
[23:46] <sheldor> its 16:9 so 7111x4000 ~= 28.5 megapixel per frame?
[23:46] <sheldor> rofl
[23:46] <rikkib> Plus... I talk to Vinton Cerf and had him come here of speaking engagements...
[23:46] <rikkib> on speaking
[23:47] <nickgaw> have never heard of that. I meant they blocked me from using port 25 for sending to other smtp servers then at&t server that is what they unblocked.
[23:47] <rikkib> and pushing ipv6
[23:47] <sheldor> thats like 12 x 1080p
[23:47] <TAFB> my ISP says it's a security risk, someone hacks into my server and loads up child porn and makes spam bot = they are reponsible.
[23:47] <Torikun> uverse nickgaw?
[23:47] <nickgaw> well in a way they do have a point.
[23:47] <TAFB> sheldor: I'll try and find the official spec for you :)
[23:47] <rikkib> TAFB, Give then this example
[23:48] <rikkib> Hang on I will give you a link
[23:48] <TAFB> k. thx.
[23:48] <rikkib> or search krebs bennett
[23:48] <sheldor> TAFB: you would need a helluva gpu to even smoothly render that i guess
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[23:48] <frikinz> so ftp is forbidden too I guess
[23:48] <nickgaw> has anyone managed to get any wireless usb adapter to connect to a wireless network using the raspberrypi and raspbian?
[23:48] <TAFB> sheldor: sorry, not 4000p, 4000k! lol: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57507096-93/sony-puts-a-price-on-its-4k-tv-$25000/
[23:48] <TAFB> nickgaw: ummm, everyone?
[23:48] <sheldor> oh!
[23:48] <sheldor> okay
[23:49] <sheldor> thats like 2 x 1080p
[23:49] <TAFB> nickgaw: use the wifi config program in lxde/xwindows = easy.
[23:49] <sheldor> still not bad
[23:49] <TAFB> sheldor: yeah, but the bitrate :( omfg :(
[23:49] <rikkib> http://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/peter-bennett/ you may have already seen this
[23:49] <sheldor> TAFB: but then why is it 600gb per movie?
[23:49] <rikkib> This is how seriously I take security
[23:49] <sheldor> 1080p isnt 300gb per movie
[23:49] <nickgaw> then tell me what command do I run to connect it to my encrypted network or what file do I put the network name and key into for wlan0 as no manual exists for this?
[23:49] <sheldor> even with highest bitrate
[23:50] <rikkib> And as I said I know Vinton Cerf... All security info goes back to him and his team
[23:50] <TAFB> nickgaw: it lets you set it up all in the config. wpa key, etc.
[23:50] <rikkib> The article is a bit incorrect... Media makes a story
[23:51] <nickgaw> is this in X or the console as I am using the console over ssh and would like to remove my network cable?
[23:51] <rikkib> The hackers nevber sent any mail from my server at all... I run a file scanner ever hour at the time
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[23:52] <rikkib> I caught them in the act. Hacked the code they were trying to load in real time and they did not have a clue for a year and a half that all there data was going to top security people
[23:52] <frikinz> So they cannot sell this as "Internet".
[23:53] <frikinz> More "websurfing and sending mails"
[23:53] <TAFB> sheldor: can you give me example of cname in dns so I can try?
[23:54] <TAFB> I have like now: CNAME email email.secureserver.net
[23:54] <TAFB> CNAME ftp @
[23:54] <TAFB> etc.
[23:54] <frikinz> nickgaw: /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf are the 2 files you need. then ifup wlan0 and ifdown wlan0 to set up/down the wlan interface
[23:54] <sheldor> TAFB: i didnt try yet but i read it
[23:54] <nickgaw> are there any console commands that use dialog to setup my wireless network name and key for autoconnecting at boot?
[23:54] <sheldor> TAFB: you just have to put your tafb.yi.org into the CNAME
[23:55] <sheldor> and nothing else
[23:55] <TAFB> sheldor: ahhh :) nice to know. if it works I will move my name servers from dnsexit back to godaddy and configure cname with my modem ID.
[23:55] <TAFB> sheldor: so like what, "CNAME" "@" "tafb.yi.org"?
[23:55] <sheldor> rikkib: dude are you peter bennett?
[23:56] <rikkib> No point running a mail server on dynamic ip... Many mail servers will not connect to a mail server without rDNS
[23:56] <sheldor> TAFB: i dont know what the @ is but you write "tafb.yi.org" into the CNAME record for your domain
[23:56] <TAFB> rikkib: I've never ever had issue without reversedns.
[23:56] <rikkib> I am Peter Bennett
[23:56] <sheldor> ah
[23:56] <sheldor> interesting
[23:56] <sheldor> let me read the article
[23:56] <frikinz> nickgaw: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256&start=1075 first post
[23:56] <rikkib> Also I use the nick name Anony Mouse in the anti spam world
[23:56] <sheldor> what is reversedns?
[23:57] <mdszy> If my RPi were to kernel panic for any reason, would it show up at all in an SSH session?
[23:57] <rikkib> dig bencom.co.nz
[23:57] <TAFB> mdszy: I dun think so, just on console.
[23:57] <nickgaw> ok I will look at that.
[23:57] <mdszy> TAFB, thought so.
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[23:57] <rikkib> take the ip given and dig -x ip-address
[23:57] <mdszy> I keep running udevadm info -an /dev/sda and a litle bit through it everything freezes, the ACT LED stops blinking, and SSH freezes
[23:58] <rikkib> ip address maps tto reserve dns
[23:58] <sheldor> rikkib: oh it finds a dns record for a given ip?
[23:58] <sheldor> i see
[23:58] <rikkib> mail servers want to see rDNS
[23:58] <frikinz> mdszy: do you run / on sda?
[23:58] <sheldor> why would mail servers require this? to prevent spam from random dialup customer lines?
[23:58] <TAFB> mdszy: kernel panic on console: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw#t=77s
[23:58] <mdszy> frikinz, nope, /dev/sda is my phone
[23:59] <mdszy> TAFB, yeah, I'm not on console right now
[23:59] <mdszy> I might try a different power connection
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[23:59] <frikinz> mdszy: which kernel/ distro is this?
[23:59] <mdszy> frikinz, Arch Linux ARM
[23:59] <sheldor> fuck mail serveres
[23:59] <frikinz> mdszy: yes, I suspect this
[23:59] <sheldor> servers
[23:59] * TAFB reads up on cname
[23:59] <rikkib> yes a method of blocking spam
[23:59] <sheldor> they have no right to require rdns
[23:59] * mdszy gets a different PSU
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[23:59] <rikkib> My mail server my rules
[23:59] <TAFB> mdszy: remember microUSB could be crappy ;)
[23:59] <rikkib> That is how the net works

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