#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-06

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[0:00] <frikinz> my isp blocks nothing, has a adblock in the router and gives me a free rdns :)
[0:00] <rikkib> My hosts.deny file is full of hosts that do not understand this
[0:00] <wowpin> Hello everyone, this is just a test message from an IRC client of my own, please let me know if this is being received. Thank you. Live long and prosper.
[0:00] <frikinz> wowpin: no
[0:00] <sheldor> frikinz: is that legal for isps ?
[0:00] <sheldor> to just install adblockers directly into peopls routers
[0:00] <TAFB> wowpin: worked, spok
[0:00] <wowpin> frikinz: thank you :)
[0:01] <frikinz> sheldor: yes, adblockers are legal, all browser have them as extensions
[0:01] <wowpin> ok, thank you good people
[0:01] <sheldor> frikinz: i know, didnt know isps can legally deploy them
[0:01] <rikkib> Same applies to ISP's... Their network their rules...
[0:01] <frikinz> sheldor: they are slightly getting into trouble with ad business though :)
[0:02] <sheldor> i bet
[0:02] <sheldor> lol
[0:02] <frikinz> sheldor: otherwise yes, its legal.
[0:02] <sheldor> not bad
[0:02] <sheldor> wonder for how long
[0:02] <mdszy> dammit, happened again
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[0:03] <frikinz> mdszy: this udev command is probably a coincidence, would happen for anything else?
[0:03] <mdszy> frikinz, nope, never before
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[0:04] <frikinz> mdszy: oh it crashed my pi :)
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[0:04] <frikinz> /devices/platform/bcm2708_usb
[0:04] <frikinz> no wonder
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[0:05] <frikinz> hum have to stand up to reboot the beast
[0:05] <mdszy> frikinz, did you do it via ssh or console?
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[0:05] <TAFB> Torikun: you want torikun@tafb.xxx ??!? need someone to test my webmails and pop3 :)
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[0:06] <mdszy> ergh
[0:07] <frikinz> mdszy: through ssh. sda is my / a usb stick and powering the whole with a microusb. I have the rev with polyfuse
[0:07] <mdszy> ah.
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[0:08] <frikinz> you probably hit a bug in bcm driver
[0:08] <sheldor> router based ad blocking is kinda stupid anyway
[0:08] <mdszy> damn
[0:08] <mdszy> where would I open a report for that?
[0:09] <mdszy> the arch linux ARM site?
[0:09] <frikinz> sheldor: why? then all phones, tablet, laptop I use don't see ads. I think its good for average joe
[0:09] <sheldor> frikinz: you would need your router to mitm all https connections and install certs on every client machine
[0:10] <frikinz> sheldor: well, maybe a ip for dns of ad server?
[0:10] <sheldor> and if you have to go that far that means you can just install an ad block on the client
[0:10] <frikinz> I don't know
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[0:10] <frikinz> sheldor: as my router is also a dns relayer
[0:10] <sheldor> hm not bad frikinz
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[0:11] <sheldor> you would just need to update the list
[0:11] <frikinz> adblock on games on phones is sometimes a pain without rooting them
[0:11] <sheldor> i didnt think of dns based ad blocking
[0:11] <sheldor> i thought it rips it out of html
[0:11] <frikinz> Well, i suspect and hope its this. otherwise mitm of https would not please me
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[0:11] <frikinz> but as my company does it anyway.. I suspect a lot are doing it
[0:12] <TAFB> sheldor: I put @ CNAME tafb.yi.org and godaddy says "dns config is not legal", and won't accept it. I can put ip addresses in cname, as well as subdomains of the address like webmail.tafb.xxx but that's it :(
[0:12] <sheldor> TAFB: very weird because CNAME is actually meant for domain NAMES
[0:12] <sheldor> it stands for canonical name
[0:12] <sheldor> must be some random godaddy restriction
[0:12] <TAFB> sheldor: I don't think they mean totally different domain names, just like sub domain names, no?
[0:13] <sheldor> well actually putting a subdomain requirement makes sense
[0:13] <sheldor> because that is what CNAME is meant for
[0:13] <sheldor> but apparently it often works with a different domain too
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[0:13] <TAFB> hmmm, so might have a restriction where you can't "forward" your cname to "outside" domain :( i see.
[0:13] <sheldor> i see
[0:13] <sheldor> yeah
[0:13] <sheldor> but must be go daddy specific because people say it works with dyndns and whatever
[0:14] <sheldor> dyndns domains*
[0:14] <TAFB> yeah, could be. I call godaddy and see if it's a restriction they've implemented
[0:14] <sheldor> yea
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[0:15] <zezba9000> has anyone gotten eglCreateWindowSurface to work on RasPi with ArchLinux? Or GLES2 in general to work?
[0:15] <mdszy> frikinz, would that "bug" be in general with Arch Linux ARM? Or specific to the RPi?
[0:15] <frikinz> mdszy: I'd suspect with the pi. I'm runnign raspbian. you could strace udevadm to know a bit more
[0:15] <mdszy> ah
[0:16] <frikinz> mdszy: I guess everyone has this bug :/
[0:16] <mdszy> damn
[0:16] <mdszy> hell, I think I can get around it by using my main computer
[0:16] <frikinz> I've also others..
[0:16] <mdszy> I just want the info from that command to write a udev rule
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[0:16] <frikinz> mdszy: oh I see ..
[0:16] <frikinz> mdszy: well, use a specific /dev path rather than whole
[0:16] <TAFB> sheldor: If I used "www" "cname" "tafb.yi.org" it works, but only if you type www.toysareforboys.com, not http://toysareforboys.com
[0:17] <mdszy> frikinz, /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda?
[0:17] <sheldor> TAFB: ah, i think you also have to delete all A records
[0:17] <mdszy> because that doesn't work
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[0:17] <sheldor> or set a second CNAME
[0:17] <mdszy> my phone only shows up as /dev/sda
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[0:17] <mdszy> which works just like /dev/sda1 would, it's a mountable partition
[0:17] <TAFB> sheldor: from what I read, you can't CNAME the "@" i.e. the root domain :(
[0:17] <frikinz> mdszy: or do it from another comp as you said
[0:18] <mdszy> frikinz, I probably will
[0:18] <sheldor> hm
[0:18] <mdszy> frikinz, I tried it with my Kindle, and did the same command but with /dev/sda1, still crashed
[0:18] <mdszy> meh, I'll just use my other computer
[0:19] <mdszy> I just hope it doesn't crash my laptop XD
[0:19] <frikinz> mdszy: yes as I think its in the pi broadcom driver.. everything will crash.
[0:19] * mdszy nods
[0:20] <frikinz> mdszy: which kernel is it you're running?
[0:20] <frikinz> mdszy: I have 3.6.11
[0:20] <mdszy> there, my laptop worked fine
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[0:20] <mdszy> 3.6.11-2-ARCH+ according to uname -a
[0:21] <frikinz> to bad I changed today from 3.2 to 3.6. I could've tested
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[0:23] <frikinz> mdszy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1031674
[0:23] <frikinz> didn't know bugs were on launchpad
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[0:23] <frikinz> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=13382
[0:23] <mdszy> oh man
[0:23] <mdszy> nice!
[0:24] <frikinz> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/21
[0:25] <alex88> hi guys, I've 2 gpio ports that never gives any output, someone else had this issue? can be a board problem?
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[0:25] <wowpin> alex: do you mean pins?
[0:25] <TAFB> alex88: you usually have to disable a driver that's using them, like the i2c thing or whatever :)
[0:26] <TAFB> don't ask me tho, never used GPIO :)
[0:26] <alexhairyman> wowpin, for a second I thought I was important
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[0:26] <alex88> TAFB, yeah, I've thought of that too, so I've blacklisted both i2c and spi
[0:26] <wowpin> hairyman: you are.. i promise
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[0:27] <alexhairyman> wowpin :D
[0:27] <plugwash> alex88, also make sure you are using the correct GPIO pins
[0:28] <plugwash> the assignments of pins on the connector to GPIO lines on the SoC changed between rev1 and rev2
[0:28] <ebswift> i'm using an adafruit board and the numbering is somewhat confusing
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[0:29] <frikinz> mdszy: :)
[0:29] <alex88> plugwash, yeah I'm pretty sure, looking http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals the 23-24 remained the same, tested with both adafruit prototyping board and directly to gpio pins
[0:29] <alex88> plugwash, tried with all pins on and all pins of, those 2 pins stays at 0v
[0:30] <mdszy> SWEET
[0:30] <mdszy> I got it to work, finally!
[0:30] <mdszy> I got this thing to auto mount my Phone!
[0:30] <ebswift> using gpio extenders how many control pins can be had? i'm thinking watering solenoids here
[0:31] <frikinz> mdszy: what does the mount?
[0:31] <mdszy> frikinz, udev
[0:31] <mdszy> frikinz, I wrote a udev rule for it
[0:31] <frikinz> mdszy: ah you sticked the mount directly in the rule? :)
[0:31] <frikinz> ok
[0:32] <mdszy> yup
[0:32] <mdszy> ATTRS{product}=="Android Phone", RUN+="/bin/mkdir -p /media/Markphone", RUN+="/bin/mount /dev/%k /media/Markphone"
[0:32] <mdszy> that's the rule
[0:32] <mdszy> I just need to figure out how to get it to auto unmount too
[0:32] <plugwash> ebswift, depends on the type of expander and the performance you require
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[0:33] <plugwash> given the speed of watering solinoids I suspect you could easilly control a few thousand of them with the right setup
[0:34] <frikinz> mdszy: the RUN command gets as variable $ACTION either add or remove so you could call a script with a switch case
[0:34] <frikinz> mdszy: RUN+="/root/meh" and in meh: case $ACTION in
[0:34] <frikinz> add) mount ..
[0:34] <frikinz> remove) umount
[0:35] <frikinz> esac
[0:35] <alex88> is there a warranty for pi boards?
[0:35] <ebswift> plugwash, sweet!
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[0:36] <ebswift> right now i have a total of ONE working :)
[0:36] <mdszy> frikinz, I'm just making it run umount/rmdir on remove and mkdir/mount on add
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[0:41] <brady2600> http://pastebin.com/msVLnUy8
[0:42] <brady2600> im having this problem while trying to run the arduino ide on raspberry pi
[0:42] <brady2600> i've previously had it working, it appears to be related to rxtx not being the version for arm
[0:42] <brady2600> does anyone have any ideas how i can get it working?
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[0:45] <bennypr0fane> hello, I'm on razorpi, and it has only xterm installed for a terminal. I can't copy/paste from/to it, does anyone know if that'S normal?
[0:46] <Torikun> how are you pasting
[0:46] <bennypr0fane> *not razorpi, it's called rasprazor
[0:46] <brady2600> if your doing it over vnc.. then yeah,, no pasting.
[0:46] <bennypr0fane> well I'd right-click in the terminal and selcet copy
[0:46] <bennypr0fane> nt vnc
[0:47] <bennypr0fane> have ae screen
[0:47] <brady2600> then you should be able to paste
[0:47] <brady2600> humm
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[0:48] <bennypr0fane> also, mey keyboarfed is acting weird -fe it adds random e's and f's, so - sorry if i have meany typos
[0:49] <brady2600> have any of you guys installed the ide on a raspberry pi.. im problems with rxtx
[0:49] <brady2600> http://pastebin.com/msVLnUy8
[0:49] <bennypr0fane> if I right-eclick in the termfeinal window after selecting text, thef selection just fegoes away, I don't get a context mefnu
[0:50] <brady2600> perhaps you could install another terminal application
[0:50] <brady2600> idk if its available for that distribution but i love terminator
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[0:51] <bennypr0fane> I installed rvxt
[0:51] <frikinz> bennypr0fane: you could try middle button to paste. or emulation of 3rd button that is: both left and right button
[0:51] <bennypr0fane> but feit's not in thef menu
[0:51] <bennypr0fane> meaning Ife can only start it from xterm :-P
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[0:52] <frikinz> then its a bug in your distribution
[0:52] <bennypr0fane> frikinz are feyou sure?
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[0:53] <frikinz> yes
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[0:53] <frikinz> I meant the rxvt not showing
[0:54] <bennypr0fane> I have a scferoll wheel. if I press that in term window, sfeomething happens, as eif I had entered a command, but I can't telel which one
[0:54] <bennypr0fane> it seays command not found
[0:54] <bennypr0fane> thies is shit
[0:54] <bennypr0fane> guess I'll move on tfeo distro no 5 (I thinek)
[0:54] <bennypr0fane> man...
[0:55] <bennypr0fane> my problem is I'm ather unhappey with the Pi'es performance. eLooking for a seuperlight UI now, that'll feoperate at decent speedes
[0:56] <bennypr0fane> *sigh*
[0:56] * kripton is now known as Kripton
[0:56] <bennypr0fane> what are you guys using? howfe are you coeping with performance
[0:58] <bennypr0fane> however, the weay I got to term poblem in the first place is I wanted tofe install xbmc, but the peackage is broken. I've also seeen this issue in raspbian. Does anyone eknow how to fiy eit?
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[1:00] <bennypr0fane> term output (I was egoing to paste iet, but...): "xbmc depends: xbmc-bin, but it is not installable"
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[1:01] <bennypr0fane> "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages"
[1:01] <bennypr0fane> What does tehat mean, "held packages"?
[1:02] <bennypr0fane> btw I tried apt-get update, upgrade, apt-get install -f, "fiex brokn packages" in Synaptic... nothing.
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> try apt-get dist-upgrade
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> sudo ...
[1:03] <frikinz> also forget about apt-get for these kinds of problems; use aptitude
[1:03] <frikinz> the solver is much better
[1:04] <frikinz> won't install xbmc though
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[1:04] <gordonDrogon> one day I'll learn about aptitude, but I still use dselect ...
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[1:04] <bennypr0fane> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade then?
[1:05] <frikinz> alias apt-get="aptitude" . that's it
[1:05] <frikinz> :)
[1:06] <bennypr0fane> dist-upgrade = no changes
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[1:06] <frikinz> no errors?
[1:06] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, heh..
[1:06] <bennypr0fane> nope
[1:06] <frikinz> bennypr0fane: so all is fine..
[1:06] <bennypr0fane> haha
[1:07] <bennypr0fane> :fe-D
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[1:07] <bennypr0fane> sure
[1:07] <bennypr0fane> nah, I'm just gonna abandon this distro
[1:07] <bennypr0fane> it's useless
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[1:08] <bennypr0fane> try and remount raspbian for 4th time
[1:09] <bennypr0fane> I believe the SDcaferd keeps breaking - from unsafe power off
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> bennypr0fane, abandon raspbian?
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> it's the most popular one - probably used by over 95% of the Pi community.
[1:10] <bennypr0fane> Ifen other words it won't boot, and I suspeect eit's because I ejust pulled the plu instteasd oef regular shutdoewn
[1:10] <dr_willis> unsafe poweriffs could be bad for any distro
[1:10] <bennypr0fane> gordondrogon not rtaspbiean- I'm on rasprazor now
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> ?
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> that's a new one on me.
[1:11] <dr_willis> new to me also
[1:11] <frikinz> xbmc-bin unavailable
[1:11] <dr_willis> yet another xbmc distri. ;-)
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> oh I see. why not just get bog-standard raspbian and install the packages that razor has ?
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> or does it have something you need that's not in raspbian?
[1:12] <bennypr0fane> dr_willis I have been feorced to do this (unsafe poewer-off)bcs I tried headless use, but unsuccessfully
[1:13] <bennypr0fane> no, just my Raspbian card ies broken and I wanted to see if thies Qt desktop is faster
[1:13] <bennypr0fane> razor is raespbian with razor desktop
[1:14] <bennypr0fane> *rasprazor is...
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[1:16] <bennypr0fane> razofer desktop is the prettiest I've seenfe so far on the RasPi distros. Hafes anyone tried Bodhi?
[1:17] <bennypr0fane> daengit I'm swifetching over to thfee desktop bc this keyboaferd bug is unbeaferable
[1:17] <frikinz> bennypr0fane: can you paste the /etc/apt/sources.list that rasprazor uses?
[1:18] <bennypr0fane> hm, will try
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[1:23] <bennypr0fane> it won't open
[1:23] <bennypr0fane> I give up. back to Raspbian
[1:23] <bennypr0fane> see you, thanks!
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[1:24] <dr_willis> i found all the x desktops/window managers sluggish. ;( for now
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[1:24] <dr_willis> going console-commando!
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[1:25] <dj_pi> has anyone gotten SPI running on their RPi?
[1:28] <dj_pi> i'm probing with my oscilloscope and get activity on the MOSI line but no SCLK...
[1:28] <dj_pi> any advice would be appreciated :)
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[1:32] <KiltedPi> Bah
[1:32] <KiltedPi> Having a devil of a time installing pygame on this windows machine
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[1:42] <KiltedPi> I -suspect- pygame only works on 32 bit architecture
[1:43] <KiltedPi> Can anyone confirm this?
[1:43] <dj_pi> i figued out my problem too....don't buy cheap oscilloscopes... :-/
[1:44] <plugwash> signal too fast for the scope?
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[1:44] <dj_pi> no....well....
[1:45] <dj_pi> i got a 200MHz scope, but it's a cheap chinese knock off
[1:45] <dj_pi> thought i was saving a ton of cash but the more work i do with it the more i don't like it
[1:45] <dj_pi> wasn't triggering correctly
[1:45] <dj_pi> didn't change any of the settings....just jiggled the cables a bit
[1:45] <plugwash> OOI what make and model?
[1:46] <dj_pi> OWON MSO8202T
[1:46] <dj_pi> i mean....for the price...it's nice
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[1:46] <dj_pi> but you can definitely tell the difference between this and a rigol...and then stepping to the big leagues like agilent...doesn't even compare
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[1:47] <dj_pi> anyways....i want to develop something that uses SPI and needed to verify that the RPi toggles the chip select lines automatically
[1:47] <dj_pi> (which it does)
[1:48] <lostogre__> so I was looking at the magpi issue two, and I wanted to get started with logic programming. I can't get a switch in for a few days, though.... Is there anyway that I can using similar materials, just create a loop that turns the LED on an off? I am a competent programmer, I just don't have any electrical background.
[1:49] * plugwash thought owon and rigol were in the same price range but that rigol was better
[1:49] <lostogre__> Sorry, this is for the project on page.... 10
[1:51] <dj_pi> same price range but thought i was getting a little more with the owon because of the 16-channel digital bus. but having used rigol scopes before, their interface is a lot cleaner and the signal integrity is better
[1:51] <dj_pi> the owon has crazy overshoot which i don't believe is there
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[2:01] <plugwash> normally scope probes have a compensation trimmer which can be used to adjust that out
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[2:02] <dj_pi> yeah...not on these...
[2:02] <dj_pi> like i said...this is a cheap-o and i'm not thrilled
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[2:21] <rikkib> Client had a petty burglar in at the place I have a RPi cam in... Lost touch with the cam on Friday, perhaps someone bumped the switch on the floor under the desk, hoping the cam still was working but will not find out until Wed when i go up there.
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[2:32] <mumbles> rikkib: aww
[2:32] <mumbles> anyone good with wireless networks? have forggen if i set differnt channels devices will swap to whats better?
[2:33] <rikkib> There was a user in here that was overloading his wireless... Moving to other channel fixed his probs.
[2:34] * rikkib does not use wireless but did lots R&D in the early days.
[2:34] <rikkib> Beaming 15+Km
[2:35] <rikkib> 500mW
[2:35] <rikkib> 23db gain ant
[2:36] <rikkib> and of course I am a Ham
[2:36] <mumbles> nice.
[2:36] <mumbles> wonders how meany wireless devices ill have to fix tommow morning.
[2:36] <mumbles> :P
[2:36] <mumbles> did you see my blog post rikkib ?
[2:36] <TAFB> rikkib: nice. I do 21KM with 3watts and 16dbi gain ant :)
[2:36] <rikkib> Yes
[2:37] <mumbles> might take the pi travalling
[2:37] <mumbles> goign to visit cousen in edinbugh
[2:37] <rikkib> :)
[2:38] <rikkib> Hagis
[2:38] <mumbles> but he hasent got a hdmi / dvi-d screen
[2:38] <rikkib> or however you spell it
[2:38] <rikkib> DVI-D to VGA
[2:38] <rikkib> just an adatpor
[2:39] <rikkib> I have both cables
[2:39] <rikkib> Use my Philips 236V LCD
[2:39] <mumbles> yeh avhent got one that works
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[2:40] * rikkib is spitting... Short of resources just on Christmas when 4 512 RPi arrived and delays getting SD cards to keep going
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[2:41] <mumbles> i onley have the 1
[2:42] * rikkib is checking 3 second hand hdd (120gb) to upgrade systems here.
[2:42] <mumbles> so the phone is picking up both wireless ap's
[2:42] <chithead> you need the sd card only for booting. you can put root on usb drive then unplug the sd card after boot
[2:42] <mumbles> havent got a fast enogh usb hdd
[2:43] <rikkib> hdd first to make nfs server
[2:43] <rikkib> So far all my testing has just used sd but I need to move to nfs.
[2:43] <mumbles> i think ive done this corectley so that i dont have to reset eveyones wifi
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[2:44] <rikkib> wifi band space is limited
[2:44] <rikkib> In the city more and more issues arise
[2:44] <mumbles> rikkib: yeh
[2:44] <mumbles> some places i see over 20 wifi
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[2:45] <rikkib> and if you run into someone like me I could take down your wifi
[2:45] <mumbles> this is where people need to mesh tower bocks together
[2:45] <rikkib> np
[2:45] <mumbles> with vlans for each appartment
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[2:46] <rikkib> there is one major issue with wifi
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[2:46] <rikkib> they announce there mac address
[2:46] <rikkib> their
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[2:46] <rikkib> If I respond quicker than the other mac I got control
[2:48] <rikkib> You get packet faster than your machine can respond to... The protocol gets in a mess and all sorts happen
[2:48] <mumbles> this is where other people start to glaze over
[2:48] <mumbles> :P
[2:49] <mumbles> im doing a cisco ccna
[2:50] <rikkib> In the early days of wifi I messed with a local poly tech that I was beaming just beside of... Pointed direct at them and take over mac addresses (mac spoofing)
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[2:51] <rikkib> I went for the internal dns server
[2:51] <rikkib> took over its mac and provided my own dns server that gave bad results for them.
[2:52] <rikkib> You could watch as the traffic to the dns increased to a point where things crashed badly
[2:52] <rikkib> The poor net admin must have pulling his hair out for a couple of days
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[2:58] <mumbles> ack
[2:59] <mumbles> i forogot to put allow access from lan
[2:59] <mumbles> om my wrt router
[2:59] <TAFB> anyone here live in Wilson, NC?
[3:02] <rikkib> Debian makes me lazy and out of touch... Been so long since I installed.
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[3:05] <mumbles> was thinking about moving from ubuntu
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[3:07] <rikkib> Although I run a desktop I don't think I am missing much with u/k/buntu
[3:07] <rikkib> I never moved when they came along just looked
[3:08] <rikkib> Early issues said I was no better off
[3:08] <sheldor> wow nginx+php-fpm is so much faster than apache+mod_php
[3:08] <sheldor> truly remarkable
[3:09] * rikkib uses apache2
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[3:10] <sheldor> yeah i mean apache2 when i say apache
[3:10] <sheldor> 2.2.22-12 to be precise
[3:10] <piney> thats a lot of 2's
[3:11] <rikkib> Stock apache has lots of stuff that can be taken out to make it better
[3:11] <rikkib> One just has to be prepared to config & compile
[3:12] <sheldor> rikkib: what can be taken out for example?
[3:12] <piney> mod_php for one :)
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[3:12] <rikkib> modules
[3:12] <rikkib> other modules
[3:13] <mdszy> What kind of thing would get mounted on /dev/sr0?
[3:13] <mdszy> erm, rather, have that device file
[3:13] <rikkib> cd
[3:13] <mdszy> for some reason my phone has suddenly started using that one instead of /dev/sda, but it's still using /dev/sda
[3:13] <plugwash> an optical drive
[3:13] <rikkib> scsci rom
[3:13] <mdszy> udev only recognizes it as using /dev/sr0, though
[3:13] <mdszy> huh
[3:13] <mdszy> that's strange
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[3:14] <rikkib> separate read only access maybe
[3:14] <plugwash> More specifically sr0 means something the kernel sees as a "scsi" optical drive (modern kernels tend to see everything as scsi though after some driver restructurings)
[3:14] <mdszy> rikkib, when I try to mount it, though, it says there's no volume on /dev/sr0
[3:15] <Gordio> mdszy, show dmesg
[3:17] <mdszy> here are the relevant lines http://sprunge.us/DULc
[3:17] <rikkib> sr_mod 10770 1
[3:17] <rikkib> cdrom 26435 1 sr_mod
[3:18] <rikkib> DVD/CDRW
[3:18] <rikkib> uses /dev/sr0
[3:18] <rikkib> lsmod
[3:19] <mdszy> http://sprunge.us/ETNc
[3:19] <mdszy> lsmod output there
[3:19] <rikkib> there is bound to be more in /proc about the device
[3:19] <rikkib> sr0
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[3:19] <rikkib> But on my sys it is the low level control device I think
[3:20] <rikkib> I have two other devices cdrom and cdrw
[3:21] <mdszy> where? /proc/sys/dev?
[3:21] <mdszy> In there I have cdrom and scsi
[3:21] <rikkib> dvd and dvdrw
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[3:22] <rikkib> note being a linux supper guru if it works I don't care
[3:22] <rikkib> not
[3:22] <rikkib> hald something to do with things now days
[3:23] <rikkib> hardware abstraction layer daemon
[3:23] * mdszy is confused
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[3:24] <rikkib> hald has lists of stuff that it recognizes and then loads drivers/device etc
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[3:37] * rikkib ug wrong dns for net install.... 213 instead of 203
[3:38] <mumbles> anyone got a palm pre ?
[3:39] <mumbles> have a few spare batterys
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[3:48] <mumbles> headign to bed
[3:48] <mumbles> night all
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[3:49] <rikkib> Bye mumbles
[3:49] <mumbles> its 3am here
[3:49] <mumbles> was ment to be aslleep about 2 hours ago
[3:49] <rikkib> nearly 4pm
[3:49] <rikkib> here
[3:49] <rikkib> time to practice guitar
[3:50] <wowpin> I feel sorry for your neighbours
[3:51] <sheldor> i read that nginx is less than ideal for dynamic content and it shines for static content
[3:51] <sheldor> why is that?
[3:51] <Amadiro> because.. that's how proxies work?
[3:51] <sheldor> they say dynamic content is often even handed off to Apache and then passed back to nginx for delivery to the client
[3:51] <Amadiro> if your content changes every time, there is no way to cache it
[3:51] <sheldor> it doesnt say it is a proxy
[3:51] <sheldor> they say it is a webserver
[3:52] <Hodapp> Amadiro: you can cache content that changes, you just have to be careful about letting that cache expire properly.
[3:52] <Amadiro> sheldor, well, I don't know how much it can do in the way of being a webserver, but most people use it as a proxy
[3:52] <Amadiro> Hodapp, I know.
[3:52] <sheldor> huh it is classified as a httpd though
[3:52] <Hodapp> Amadiro: nevermind, I misread "every time" as "over time"
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[3:53] <Hodapp> yeah, if it changes *every* time that's another story
[3:53] <sheldor> "Nginx is a lightweight and high performance web server designed with the purpose of delivering large amounts of static content quickly and with efficient use of system resources"
[3:53] <Amadiro> sheldor, you put it in front of your webserver so that it can cache static data, so if a user hits your site, the actual webserver has to do less work
[3:53] <sheldor> Amadiro: well it is an actual web server
[3:53] <sheldor> and i am currently running it with php-fpm
[3:53] <Amadiro> sheldor, as I said, I don't know what its capabilities in that regard are
[3:53] <Amadiro> most people use it as (reverse) proxy
[3:53] <sheldor> yeah but i told you
[3:54] <sheldor> it is a web server
[3:54] <Amadiro> and that's probably what the author of that sentence thought of too
[3:54] <sheldor> maybe some people use it as some kind of cache
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[3:55] <sheldor> the author of that sentence says it is a web server
[3:55] <Hodapp> you can use apache as a proxy too if you want
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[3:55] <sheldor> Amadiro: why do you refuse to acknowledge it is a web server? what does a web server have that nginx doesnt?
[3:55] <sheldor> nginx speaks http
[3:55] <Amadiro> sheldor, I'm not refusing to acknowledge that (and neither do I care), I'm merely suggesting an interpretation of the sentence given
[3:55] <sheldor> well you call it a proxy
[3:56] <Amadiro> sheldor, I've never seen it used as anything else, and hence it is reasonable to assume the author who wrote said sentence has neither
[3:56] <sheldor> what does a web server offer that nginx doesnt?
[3:56] <Amadiro> since that sentence fits very well to the profile of how a proxy works
[3:56] <sheldor> okay
[3:56] <sheldor> but why would one not use nginx as a web server if it is obviously a web server in and off itself?
[3:56] <Amadiro> but if he calls it a webserver himself, he must either have some other reason to say that, or he simply copy-pasted that statement from somebody else on the web
[3:56] <Amadiro> which also only presumed it to be used as a reverse-proxy
[3:56] <sheldor> i mean, why would one put an apache behind it
[3:57] <sheldor> seems redundant
[3:57] <Amadiro> sheldor, because you might prefer some other webserver for its featureset or some other reason
[3:57] <Amadiro> sheldor, frequently people have their reverse proxies on entirely different server farms on entirely different places on the globe from their real webservers
[3:58] <Amadiro> and possibly have other people run and maintain them, such as cloudflare or so
[3:58] <sheldor> but what is the difference between a web proxy and a web server?
[3:58] <sheldor> i mean it can even do php-fpm
[3:58] <sheldor> which featureset is it exactly
[3:58] <Amadiro> sheldor, I explained above, the reverse proxy will not run your actual webapp or whatever, just cache as much content as it can to alleviate the load on the actual webserver
[3:59] <Amadiro> sheldor, doing php-fpm is like one feature from a hundred million features that hundreds of thousands of different developers might want to have :)
[3:59] <sheldor> Amadiro: no, you are talking about a use case. i want to understand why people are using it as such, and why they are not using nginx instead of apache in the first place
[3:59] <sheldor> what does apache offer that nginx doesnt offer
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[4:00] <Amadiro> sheldor, well.. jeez.. apache has so many features, there's probably only a handful of people in the world who know all of them
[4:00] <Amadiro> if you really care that much, look through their documentations
[4:00] <sheldor> oh
[4:00] <sheldor> okay
[4:00] <Amadiro> many people might want to use something else entirely, for instance
[4:00] <sheldor> didnt know apache (or any web server) even can offer so much
[4:00] <Amadiro> like django or node.js
[4:00] <sheldor> it is just http isnt it
[4:00] <Amadiro> which have their own webservers "built in"
[4:01] <sheldor> Amadiro: can you name some complex features apache offers and nginx doesnt?
[4:01] <sheldor> just for example
[4:01] <Amadiro> other people might prefer something like lighttpd for its simplicity of configuration and resource-frugality
[4:02] <Amadiro> sheldor, not really, as mentioned previously, I don't have any experience with using nginx as a webserver.
[4:02] <sheldor> okay
[4:02] <Amadiro> for many people its probably just what they are accustomed to use and configure
[4:03] <plugwash> the biggest difference seems to be that apache encourages you to do stuff as modules within the webserver itself
[4:03] <plugwash> while nginx is designed arround passing any non-static requests to seperate processes which can be a pain to configure
[4:04] <sheldor> Amadiro: i read that nginx isnt meant for dynamic content, yet my experience is that nginx+php-fpm is much faster than apache+mod_php and they are explicitly stressing the apparent benefit of apache that it can run dynamic content through its "embedded interpreters" instead of having to spawn processes/whatever via fastcgi or stuff
[4:04] <sheldor> so i dont quite get the argument
[4:04] <Amadiro> sheldor, well, running things embedded can give you speed benefits/overhead reduction
[4:04] <sheldor> the thing they say makes apache better and faster for dynamic content actually loses in performance comparisons to nginx+php-fpm
[4:05] <Amadiro> well, your benchmarks might not be really good/have not measured the correct problem
[4:05] <plugwash> Of course one reason for running apache is that the software you want is only available as an apache module
[4:05] <Amadiro> especially when benchmarking webservers & co its easy to accidentially measure the wrong thing by creating some bottleneck somewhere
[4:05] <sheldor> Amadiro: it is what people in this channel told me, hence i tried. and i can confirm
[4:05] <sheldor> so it seems to be reliable data
[4:05] <sheldor> plugwash: can yuo give an example?
[4:06] <plugwash> mirrorbrain
[4:07] <sheldor> "MirrorBrain is an open source framework to run a content delivery network using mirror servers."
[4:07] <sheldor> CDN, isnt that where nginx shines?
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[4:07] <plugwash> mirrorbrain isn't for running the actual delivery servers
[4:07] <plugwash> it's for sending users to them
[4:07] <piney> comparing apache2 with mod_php gives a huge advantage to nginx with php-fpm, when both servers are using php-fpm the comparison equals out a lot.
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[4:10] <plugwash> The user connectors to the mirrorbrain server (e.g. mirrordirector.raspbian.org), then based on geolocation information for their IP and a database of which mirrors have which files they are redirected to an appropriate mirror
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[4:14] <sheldor> thanks
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[4:18] <plugwash> That is a rather niche use though. I'm convinced that the main reason people continue to use apache is familiarity and distro support
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[4:32] <s5fs> anyone been fooling around with angstrom or openembedded on the rpi?
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[5:08] <zezba9000> What do I need to install do be able to dynamically link to libEGL.so at runtime ??
[5:08] <zezba9000> ...install on Raspbian that is
[5:09] <zezba9000> libEGL.so is in /opt/vc/lib
[5:09] <zezba9000> but my program can't find it, but it can find libbcm_host
[5:10] <zezba9000> ...this is not a c++ app so there no compile time linking going on
[5:11] <zezba9000> if I run lpconfig -v it shows it finding libEGL.so
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[5:16] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, you can use strace to trace system calls, where is also a ltrace to trace calls to libraries
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[5:18] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, you do the linking a) after had compiled some stuff, or b) at run-time with dlopen and friends
[5:20] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, do ldd my-program, it will show information on all libraries (not the libs you load with dlopen)
[5:21] <zezba9000> strace is spitting tons of stuff
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[5:21] <zezba9000> Lars_t_h: it would be the equivalent of dlopen
[5:21] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, give it the correct options and output to a text file, see the man page
[5:21] <zezba9000> Lars_t_h: So b) im dynamiclly linking at runtime
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[5:23] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, ok you need to #include <dlfcn.h> , and link with dl (-ldl)
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[5:25] <zezba9000> lars_t_h: I can't as its not a c/c++ application, its written in c#... What does that compile option do? Maybe I can replicate it
[5:25] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, the name of the lib should be "EGL", because it assumes is begins with "lib", and ends with ".so", AFAIK
[5:26] <zezba9000> lars_t_h: aaww that may be it, ill try... but how come other libs dont work that way... like libbcm_host??
[5:27] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, you might want to use swig, to generate p/Invoke wrappers to speak to the native code
[5:28] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, SWIG and C# http://www.swig.org/Doc1.3/CSharp.html
[5:28] <zezba9000> lars_t_h: Well c# already has DllImport that is the same thing as dlopen and does p/Invoke already
[5:28] <lars_t_h> using native code from a VM, isn't easy
[5:29] <zezba9000> lars_t_h: In fact its working on like all the x11 libs
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[5:29] <zezba9000> lars_t_h: idk, its pretty easy in c#, ive done a lot of it on a lot of platforms... I just don't understand what im missing on linux
[5:30] <akulbe> I wonder what was behind the logic to choose the ARMv for the Pi, when it's said that the ARMv7 was the prevailing standard at the time?
[5:30] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, ok maybe using SWIG is more easy than a DIY wrapper
[5:31] <lars_t_h> akulbe, simple: price tag
[5:32] <lars_t_h> think, i you order 10.000 units (minimum in the electronics indusstry) and deice B cost ??5 more than device A, you had used ??50.000 extra of your money
[5:32] <lars_t_h> *s/i/if
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[5:33] <zezba9000> lars_t_h: Swig looks like its a helper for C++ code, which is rly cool didn't know about it. But i'm only invoking C code and don't need that. Also my problem isn't the invoking part...its the linking part which .net handles find it things are setup correctly on the system
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[5:33] <zezba9000> ***"find if things..."
[5:33] <lars_t_h> zezba9000, it really good at C code
[5:34] <zezba9000> **fine
[5:34] <Blacklite_> this is the raspberry pi channel, right?
[5:34] <lars_t_h> Blacklite_, true
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[5:35] <Blacklite_> ok. i've finally found an active pi channel!!
[5:35] <Blacklite_> I just got my RasPi tonight, I'm Going to play with it in the morning
[5:35] <lars_t_h> Blacklite_, ok, this _the_ RasPi channel
[5:36] <Blacklite_> lars_t_h: I know.
[5:36] <Blacklite_> is this channel only for help?
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[5:36] <lars_t_h> Blacklite_, have fun, it is funny to play with
[5:36] <Blacklite_> cool.
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[5:37] <Blacklite_> can anybody suggest a good raspi wallpaper? this is the best one that i've found so far. http://www.hd-wallpaper.us/wallpapers/hd_pink_grapes_arts-1920x1080.jpg
[5:37] <lars_t_h> Blacklite_, try to write this in you IRC client a forvard slah and then the word "topic" (w/o the quotes)
[5:38] <zezba9000> lars_t_h: Ok, well even then I would prefer not to add extra dependencies just to solve the problem as its not the root issue. I know how to manually load the .so by basically using c# dlload method built in. I would prefure trying that first.
[5:38] <lars_t_h> *slash
[5:38] <Blacklite_> i'm not an op
[5:39] <Blacklite_> it says I need to be a channel operator
[5:39] <lars_t_h> Blacklite_, and I also not an op, you are allowed to read the topic
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[5:39] <lars_t_h> Blacklite_, ok? It does not happen on my Xchat2 IRC client
[5:40] <Blacklite_> "/topic" doesnt work without operands
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[5:40] <Blacklite_> it's for setting the topic, not reading it.
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[5:41] <lars_t_h> Blacklite_, here it works fine, and you are wrong, providing no argument print the topic and does not change it
[5:41] <Blacklite_> that
[5:41] <Blacklite_> is odd.
[5:42] <Blacklite_> i'm using qwebirc inside google chrome.
[5:42] <Blacklite_> so technically, not really a irc client
[5:42] <ackthet> Blacklite_: use a real client <_<
[5:42] <Blacklite_> i'm too lazy.
[5:42] <risc> yeah MIRC
[5:42] <lars_t_h> I think it the "inside google chrome" that is the problem, xchat2 is using the IRC protocol directly
[5:43] <Blacklite_> i'm having no problems, I can read the topic off the top of my chatlog
[5:44] <Blacklite_> i'm so excited, i'm about to burst!
[5:45] <Blacklite_> is the web browser for raspbian iceweasel?
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[5:47] <Blacklite_> personally, I beleive that debian-based distro's are just above OS/X in credibility. maybe that's just ubuntu scars.
[5:47] <Blacklite_> ubuntu makes me a sad penguin...
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[5:53] <brady2600> i like ubuntu
[5:53] <brady2600> i like it more with gnome 3.6
[5:53] <rikkib> Debian 6 + KDE4
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[5:54] <brady2600> but im not a linux purist though, although i appreciate the advantages, i want linux to be something it has not fully yet been.
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[5:56] <rikkib> Main gateway/desktop (This machine) in Debian Linux with two nics to masq for the internal network made up of I386 Linux, RPi, Win95 and WinXP machines.
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[6:02] <rikkib> 37807.07 MB Usage data for month... Still 13gb from my monthly cap at 50gb
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[7:49] <akulbe> how do you remap keyboard keys on a rPi, if there's no arm arch listed in /usr/share/kbd/<arch>/ ?
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[7:49] <akulbe> I'd like to remap CapsLock to CTRL
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[7:54] <Mnegative> anyone awake?
[7:55] <Mnegative> I am looking for help/insight. I have been working on the ATRIX Lapdock with my MX2. Currently facing a issue with the HDMI. http://lapdockmod.blogspot.com/
[7:56] <TAFB> i'm awake
[7:56] <TAFB> barely
[7:58] <TAFB> Mnegative: no experience with the screen hinge. I know it's super crazy though, friend had the same problem, ended up puttin git all back together and worked fine, when fully assembled.
[7:58] <Mnegative> oh great
[7:58] <Mnegative> I did not want to go there, but its that or tear apart another one of my lapdocks
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[7:59] <TAFB> Mnegative: i believe it uses some type of variable resistance when the screen is open/closed, so just soldering a wire ain't gonna fix it. hopefully google has some answers for ya.
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[8:00] <Mnegative> i have been scouring, I havent been on IRC in over a decade... jumped on here for more info hahaha
[8:00] <TAFB> best to ask in around 12 hours time, lots of lapdock users on then :)
[8:01] <Mnegative> yeah I figure now isnt the best time :P
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[8:02] <Mnegative> but see, in just talking to you I have gained new perspective
[8:02] <Mnegative> its like the hindge is magic and it makes me MAD! :P
[8:02] <john_f> akulbe: dumpkeys...loadkeys is an option
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[8:03] <Mnegative> crazy thing is. I had the hindge and cradle disconnected completley and it worked! No idea how.
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[8:04] <john_f> akulbe: (echo `dumpkeys | grep -i keymaps`; echo "keycode 58 = Control keycode 29 = Caps_Lock") | loadkeys -
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[8:08] <akulbe> john_f: that would need to be done as root, right?
[8:08] <john_f> yes
[8:09] <john_f> not user specific
[8:09] <Mnegative> anyone sitting in a channel relating to Android TV Sticks?
[8:10] <Mnegative> Rockchip RK3066: MK808 MX1 etc etc...
[8:12] <akulbe> john_f: there's only one line returned from that dump | grep statement... is that right?
[8:12] <akulbe> keymaps 0-2,4-6,8-9,12
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[8:17] <john_f> akulbe: it is out of date. iirc it showed all keys.
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[8:19] <akulbe> john_f: it did show the keys, but you grep on "keymaps"
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[8:22] <john_f> I think the output changed
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[8:26] <john_f> akulbe: it works for me with newlines before each keycode
[8:28] <john_f> a keymap file is better, but idk where the map lives as you asked.
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[8:35] <Mnegative> looking for insight on lapdock HDMI issue see: http://lapdockmod.blogspot.com/
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[10:25] <aDro> I have connected my RPi to my Windows XP machine via Ethernet cable.
[10:25] <aDro> I have also allowed the RPi to connect to the internet through the Windows XP machine.
[10:26] <aDro> All, and all; I am pretty excited.
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[10:28] <alex88> hi guys
[10:29] <alex88> I've a problem with my PI, all GPIO pins works fine except 23 and 24, I've tried with WebIoPi, python GPIO and bash, no way to turn them on
[10:29] <alex88> neither input mode works
[10:29] <alex88> disabled all spi and i2c modules
[10:30] <alex88> any idea?
[10:30] <xrosnight> don't knwo
[10:30] <xrosnight> yours based on wiringPi?
[10:31] <alex88> haven't tested with wiringPi, also, on python, I've tried with both BCM and BOARD numbering
[10:31] <alex88> let me test with wiringPi
[10:33] <xrosnight> alex88: yeah. i mean did you use RPi.GPIO module of python?
[10:33] <alex88> xrosnight, yup, I did
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[10:37] <xrosnight> alex88: then read this http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPi.GPIO or this http://blog.csdn.net/spaceship20008/article/details/8466762
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[10:37] <alex88> xrosnight, yeah, I know how to use gpio within python
[10:37] <alex88> they problem is the pins doesn't come up
[10:37] <alex88> just those 2
[10:38] <alex88> maybe a faulty board?
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[10:38] <xrosnight> from the official reference, Note that the current release??does not support SPI, I2C, PWM or serial functionality on the RPi yet.??This is planned for the near future - watch this space!One-wire functionality is also planned.
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[10:39] <alex88> xrosnight, I'm using the adafruit occidentals image which is based on raspbian
[10:39] <xrosnight> do you have the link?
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[10:39] <alex88> they've included spi and i2c and 1wire support but it's disabled atm
[10:40] <alex88> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro/occidentalis-v0-dot-2
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[10:43] <alex88> xrosnight, you think I should sent it back to warranty?
[10:43] <xrosnight> alex88: don't know. i am reading the page
[10:44] <alex88> gordonDrogon, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/ here you say that on rev2 they switched 3v and 5v, are you sure about that? I've the 512mb version (which I think it's rev2) and I have 5v on pin #2
[10:47] <xrosnight> alex88: i think you just need to install gordonDrogon's WiringPi, which is very sufficient. http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/19/i2c-and-the-raspberry-pi/ the I2C from this page, i don't know whether it runs perfectly on any raspi. you maybe need to have a try of wiringpi, i never met any trouble of it yet :D
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[10:47] <alex88> xrosnight, I've already installed that, also, without the i2c module, I should use those pins as all the other ones
[10:48] <alex88> and, I've tried also with wiringpi
[10:48] <xrosnight> alex88 you mean mins ago?
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[10:49] <alex88> xrosnight, no I've tried also yesterday
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[10:51] <alex88> and pin 25 gives 3,3, pin 24 doesn't
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> alex88, where does it say that 3v and 5v are switched? that's not right ...
[11:34] <user82> this thing is pure gold: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> alex88, I really can't see where I've said that 3v and 5v are switched - can you let me know where you've read it please?
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> xrosnight, I've also put some I2C helpers into wiringPi now - which I'm still testing, but they'll be ready soon.
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[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, in your table.
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> which one?
[11:46] <ShiftPlusOne> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> actually it doesn't say that
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> I'm struggling to see where.
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> It just looked like it from a cursory glance
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> you have two tables, the first row on each flips the 5v and 3.3v pins
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> I know that the 5v and 3.3v pins haven't changed, so struggling to see where I may havre put it (and I am dyslexic, so often miss obvious things like that)
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> but it's talking about different headers
[11:47] <ShiftPlusOne> not different board revs
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Oh.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[11:48] <ShiftPlusOne> I would not have made that mistake if I wasn't trying to find it though.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> so have I got the 2nd header wrong?
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> According to: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals pin 1 is 5v - and what's wht I have on the P5 header diagram.
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I do not think that I have made a mistake.
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> but if someone does, please tell me.
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> I doubt it. You just have the second table and it says "...on Rev. 2 boards:" so it looks like (if you don't look properly )the table applies to the same header, but outlines the differences between rev 1 and rev 2.
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Not a mistake on your behalf.
[11:51] <ShiftPlusOne> At least I think that's what xro was talking about.
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> will see if I can re-word it.
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[11:54] <pecorade> Hi.
[11:55] <ShiftPlusOne> ahoy
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> ok. updated the text somewhat.
[11:56] <ShiftPlusOne> That should help
[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Now you might run into problem with revision vs model. When I ask what revision board people have they normally say "B" =)
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[11:57] <ShiftPlusOne> And I base that blanket statement on a sample size of 1.
[11:57] * gordonDrogon groans.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> All Model A's are revision 2.
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> apart from people who've turned their Rev 1's into model A's by removing the chips and re-working the USB links....
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> and I suspect no-one has done that.
[12:00] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
[12:00] <user82> is the A already in stock?
[12:01] <ShiftPlusOne> user82, they are on auction for charity on ebay (is the auction hasn't ended yet). But they are not out yet, no.
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> soon...
[12:01] <user82> thx ShiftPlusOne
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> might get myself a rev 2 board at some point anyway.
[12:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Is it just be or was the first batch of rev1 boards a bit better made than the boards that came afterwards?
[12:03] <ShiftPlusOne> I didn't see many reports of faulty boards, but then when the RS boards and rev2 boards in general came out, it seems like there are a lot more problems. Though that might just be due to more people having a Pi and therefore more people complaining. =/
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> I have a first batch board (no CE markings), and a first batch RS production and a first batch Farnell production (slightly different board silkscreens)
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> they were all solid at 900MHz until turbo mode came along..
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm, no CE markings on mine either
[12:07] <markedathome> [13:20:39] <markedathome> any ideas on why tightvncserver would freak with a fonts path error, when it had been working previously?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> then I suspect my PSUs weren't up to the sudden switxhing demands of turbo mode, so I went back to solid 700MHz.
[12:07] <markedathome> if anyone was interested it was a running out of space error, even though there was 200MB free
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, it's probably a first batch foundation one then.
[12:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Damn.... shouldn't have modded it then. Would have been nice to have a stock original pi.
[12:08] * ShiftPlusOne goes to check the other, unmodded pi
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> I overvolted it once, so mine has the tell-tale bit set..
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> will there be a market for them - in later years? hard to say...
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I have an original, working MK14 that I'm told may sell for up to ?1500 on ebay...
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[12:11] <ShiftPlusOne> dammit... the second one (which doesn't work properly), has the fcc/ce markings
[12:12] <ShiftPlusOne> >.>
[12:13] * ShiftPlusOne goes to check the third one <.<
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:13] <alex88> gordonDrogon, was away, you there?
[12:13] <viric> i
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[12:15] <alex88> gordonDrogon, oh sorry, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/ just seen that the second table is about the auxiliary gpio connector
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> alex88, hi
[12:15] <alex88> thought you were just saying the differences between rev1 and 2
[12:15] <alex88> as elinux page shows
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> alex88, I've changed the text a little to hopefully make it clearer.
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[12:15] <alex88> gordonDrogon, yup.. do you have a second for me?
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[12:16] <alex88> I've tested all the gpio pins, they're all working except 23/24? I've disabled spi and i2c
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[12:17] <alex88> any idea in how to test?
[12:17] <alex88> I mean, are there any reason that can make those pins to not work? maybe faulty board?
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> alex88, with an led & resistor?
[12:20] <alex88> gordonDrogon, the tests? I've used a tester between the pin and ground
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> however whe nyou say 23/24 - what numbering scheme are you using.?
[12:21] <alex88> bcm
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> right. those are just normal gpio's - not connected to spi or I2c.
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[12:22] <alex88> 16/18 on board numbering.. btw yeah, that's why I think it's a faulty board
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> so have you used gpio -g mode 23 out ; gpio -g mode 24 out, then gpio -g mode 24 1, etc.
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Theoretically, using a microsd through an adaptor or using a standard sd card shouldn't make a difference, right? There is no reason for one to work better than the other?
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne, I think so - I've used a uSD in an adapter in the past..
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[12:23] <alex88> gordonDrogon, you mean gpio -g write 24 1 right?
[12:23] <ShiftPlusOne> thanks
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[12:24] <Kriss3d> Guys i was trying the latest RaspBMC build (windows installer) and when i boot it (its a new SD card class 10 16gb) it says "waiting 8 seconds for ethernet to come up". What am i doing wrong ?
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> alex88, yea.
[12:26] <alex88> gordonDrogon, btw yeah, 0 volt
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> sounds like something is wrong then - especialyl if you can demonstrate other pins working OK.
[12:27] <alex88> gordonDrogon, yeah, I've tested also with WeBiopi
[12:27] <alex88> setting all pins out and on, all giving 3,3 except those 2
[12:27] <alex88> and I've never connected them to anything (Like the relay board I was talking about yesterday)
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[12:29] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> guess you might want to look at the returns procedure then...
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[12:30] <gordonDrogon> back later - got some sunday domestic stuff to do now!
[12:30] <alex88> gordonDrogon, yeah unfortunately I think I should return it and buy a new one, or maybe ask for warranty
[12:30] <alex88> not sure what should I do of them
[12:30] <alex88> have a nice sunday gordonDrogon, thanks for your help
[12:30] <Kriss3d> hmm thats really odd.. when i use an older card class 2 with a raspbmc about 1-2 weeks ago it works just fine. when i use a new class 10 card with this current build it fails at bringing up the network
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[12:36] <alex88> gordonDrogon, when you have time, in https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/ seems that pins 4-5-6 are the bmc's 23-24-25 right? I've tested "gpio export 4 out; gpio export 5 out; gpio export 6 out" and it seems rpi gets a kernel panic or similar since I get the red led on and the others off..
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[12:44] <user82> hi. do i need fat16 or fat32 for the boot/kernel partition?
[12:44] <markedathome> ShiftPlusOne: re microsd adapter, I am using a verbatim 4g card in an adapter and it is working fine. The only concern with sd / micro sd should be the random read and random write performance for small <4K writes. The electrical characteristics of the adapter make no difference
[12:46] <chithead> user82: it is all described here http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup#Setting_up_the_boot_partition
[12:46] <user82> thx chithead
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[12:48] <markedathome> don't think it makes a difference, but my /boot is a fat16
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[12:50] <user82> i got the "mkcard" script..fat32 it is
[12:52] <user82> would someone be so kind to give me the "cmdline.txt" please...
[12:52] <user82> a default one
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[12:53] <Vegar> user82: dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N
[12:53] <Vegar> that's mine
[12:53] <wowpin> user82: by default there is no config.txt in /boot, so you can technically just delete the one you have to restore default settings
[12:53] <Vegar> but it's a few months old, might have changed
[12:53] <Vegar> has anyone found a solution to the turbo mode SD card corruption issues?
[12:56] <wowpin> user82: I just realised you asked about cmdline.txt not config.txt file. Please ignore me and let me finish my coffee.
[12:56] <ShiftPlusOne> markedathome, thanks
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[12:57] <DEac-> hi
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> alex88, pins 4-5-6... in wiringPi numbers are pins 23,24 and 25 in BCM_GPIO numbers, yes.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> alex88, the gpio export command ONLY works with BCM_GPIO pin numbers.
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[13:00] <gordonDrogon> alex88, read the manual: man gpio
[13:01] <alex88> gordonDrogon, uh ok
[13:01] <markedathome> my /boot/cmdline.txt is the same as vegar but doesn't include the smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N switch. raspbian wheezy dist upgraded on dec 28th from 16/12/12 image
[13:01] <alex88> so I have to export the bcm numbering :)
[13:01] <alex88> thanks anyway
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> alex88, yes, you use one numbering scheme or the other - they're not really compatible.
[13:02] <alex88> I think I'll sent it back for repair
[13:02] <alex88> *send
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> the whole gpio pin numbering systems are just a real headache now.
[13:03] <alex88> well I think the issue actually is with the pins hw, have tried all the possible ways to fire them up
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> sure - it sounds like there is an issue.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> here is something else to try:
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g mode 23 in ; gpio -g mode 23 up ; gpio -g read 23 ; gpio -g mode 23 down ; gpio -g read 23
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> you should get 1 followed by 0 if nothing is connected to the pin.
[13:06] <alex88> ok, let me try
[13:06] <alex88> yeah, that's what I've got
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> so the input side seems to work.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> but that's done entirely on-chip
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> you could also try:
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g mode 23 up
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> then connect a wire from the pin to 0v - the pin should read 1 with no connection and 0 with a connection.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> ie. gpio -g read 23 - with the wire connected and disconnected.
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> that would then test the connectivity from the SoC to the pins.
[13:10] <alex88> k, second
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> although I'm not sure just how useful that might be - unless a visual inspection shows them to be not soldered or something.
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[13:10] <user82> can i use a "return" in assembly with raspberry pi?
[13:11] <alex88> gordonDrogon, always 1 :S
[13:11] <kfu3049> hi are there any recent news about the DTS license? will we be able to buy it?
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> alex88, so it's likely to be a tracking issue between the SoC and the GPIO connector.
[13:12] <alex88> yeah could be
[13:12] <alex88> brb, second
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[13:12] <alex88> btw, can I bridge a chip pin and the pin to test connectivity?
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> alex88, I've no idea. You'd need to look at the schematic and the pcb layout to find out where the pin is. It may be buried in one of the internal layers though.
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[13:19] <alex88> yeah it could be, just to test something.. but I think return is the only solution
[13:19] <alex88> someone knows how to send it back with rs? returns pages says if you don't want it anymore
[13:19] <alex88> not for repair
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> there must be a way... sale of goods act and all that..
[13:21] <alex88> I'll call rs italy and ask for that
[13:21] <alex88> thanks
[13:21] <alex88> lunch time, cya later ;)
[13:21] <wowpin> I would imagine that it depends on the source you got your pi from. If you got if ebay, there may be problems, but for example element14 (where I got mine from) gives you 12 months of warranty and during this period the repair/replace your device free of charge.
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> ah, italy.... thought you were uk..
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> uk has statutory rights that the shops can only add to.
[13:23] <raspier> Does anyone know the command sequence to get chroot working on a guest ARM rootfs with sb2?
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[13:24] <raspier> Ideally I want to be able to run the ARM version of aptitude to install extra packages into my rootfs
[13:24] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, once you've set it up, just sb2 -eR
[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> or sb2 -eR apt-get install whatever
[13:25] <raspier> I get /bin/sh: 1: exec: /bin/sh: not found
[13:25] <ShiftPlusOne> not set up right then. Did you follow 'scone's pastebin steps?
[13:26] <Kriss3d> Anyone here using raspbmc ?
[13:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Kriss3d, There's always #raspbmc
[13:26] <Kriss3d> cause the latest version seems to not want to wake up my network interface
[13:27] <ShiftPlusOne> I suspect that the raspbmc folks would rather be in #raspbmc than here.
[13:28] <Kriss3d> ill try that.. ty ShiftPlusOne
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[13:30] <aDro> Can I install linux onto a usb stick or external hdd and boot from other memory, other than the SD Card?
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[13:32] <megaproxy> TAFB,
[13:32] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/jK4si.jpg
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> aDro, not directly. The Pi must always boot from the SD card initially.
[13:32] <ShiftPlusOne> aDro, everything but the kernel and firmware
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> aDro, however once the kernel is loaded you can then have the root filesystem on external USB thingy, or NFS, etc.
[13:32] <ShiftPlusOne> you can have the rootfs wherever you'd like though
[13:33] <aDro> Once booted I can reformat the sd card?
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> if you want to delete it and never be able to boot again, yes.
[13:34] <aDro> I want to install an os onto a 14gb external, and then use that 14 gb to install pi images onto an sd card.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> good luck.
[13:35] <aDro> All I want to know is if it's possible.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> it's do-able, but probably easier to use a separate PC/laptop with an sd reader..
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[13:36] <aDro> You're right
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> you would have to boot your Pi off the SD, with root on external, then un-mount the SD, put in a new one, partition, format it, write the /boot and the / (root) into it, then remove it again.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> (or dd an image to it)
[13:37] <markedathome> do you want to something like a grub bootloader where a very minimal install is performed then select a dist to load from a usb drive (flash/hd)?
[13:39] <markedathome> get a cheap sd card reader, 1ukp from poundland?
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[13:42] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: configuring sb2-build-libtool fails as it cannot run the cross-compiled test gcc output?
[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, haven't ran into anything like that.
[13:45] <ShiftPlusOne> might we worth asking Russel about.
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[13:48] <xrosnight> is there anyone who nows how to measure how much the current is when the Raspberry Pi board is running ??? Which pin to which ?? :)\
[13:50] <xrosnight> Or just cut off the cable and conjunct a multimetre ?
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[13:52] <aDro> xrosnight: I don't know myself, but i have seen a few youtube videos
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[13:52] <TAFB> xrosnight: the board side edge of F2 and D17
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[13:52] <TAFB> sorry, F3 not F2 :)
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[13:55] <SpeedEvil> xrosnight: 400ma or so, idle
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[13:56] <TheCommieDuck> Hey.
[13:57] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, ahm... doesn't that just short the circuit?
[13:57] <TheCommieDuck> Is there a way to get desktop access over ssh without having to get a separate program? (On windows)
[13:58] <DEac-> is hexxeh's rpi-update tool official? or raspberrypi on github?
[13:59] <DEac-> hexxeh does not provide sources and no .config
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> he provides all sources
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> just open the file
[13:59] <DEac-> which file?
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> DEac-, the word 'official' isn't used lightly by the foundation. The kernel and the board is official, the rest is community. rpi-update gets the firmware from the 'official' github.
[13:59] <ShiftPlusOne> rpi-update.... it's a simple script, you can read it with a text editor.
[14:00] <DEac-> oh, excuse, i mean rpi-firmware
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ah, got it
[14:01] <DEac-> ShiftPlusOne: rpi-update download firmware from http://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> is it a fork of the official firmware? then you can check.
[14:01] <ShiftPlusOne> or compare checksums
[14:01] <DEac-> there are no sources
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> "These are mirred in a seperate repo from the official one, because for updating the firmware, we're only interested in the files in the boot folder of the official repo. Git doesn't provide a way to clone only a single subfolder of a repo, and downloading the entire repo including the sample code and VC libs would take too long."
[14:02] <DEac-> no, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux can't be the source of rpi-firmware
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[14:02] <ShiftPlusOne> not /linux
[14:03] <DEac-> ah ok
[14:03] <ShiftPlusOne> so yes, it's the same thing, mirrored to save time downloading the unecessary files.
[14:03] <DEac-> but where are the sources of raspberrypi/firmware's kernel?
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[14:04] <DEac-> kernel.img seems to be 3.6.11+ (hexxeh's too)
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> that's the same kernel that's in /linux
[14:04] <ShiftPlusOne> hm
[14:04] <DEac-> no, /linux provides an older
[14:05] <DEac-> ah ok, 3.6.11+ is 3.6.y?
[14:05] <ShiftPlusOne> It has been a while since dug around there
[14:05] <ShiftPlusOne> so I can't tell for sure, but it used to be the same.
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[14:05] <DEac-> i think, it's 3.6.y
[14:06] <DEac-> next question is, which .config they use?
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[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> I think https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.6.y/arch/arm/configs/bcmrpi_defconfig
[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> but it might be adjusted slightly, I dont' know. You can double check by extracting the config from the kernel.
[14:08] <DEac-> how i can extract the config without boot it?
[14:08] <ShiftPlusOne> in the kernel source there's a tool
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[14:09] <DEac-> ah
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> ./scripts/extract-ukconfig
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> *ikconfig*
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> takes a kernel as the parameter
[14:09] <ShiftPlusOne> spits out the config
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[14:10] <DEac-> that's nice
[14:12] <DEac-> thanks, that's helpfull
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[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[14:25] <Phrewfuf> hm...does anyone have an idea why my raspbian setup hangs at partitioning? how hard can it be to create an ext3 on a 16gb card?
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[14:25] <Phrewfuf> its formatting for about half an hour right now ^oo
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[14:26] <setamagiga> i have a shitty 2gb card, it takes for about 50 minutes to flash a 2gb img, so it may be still normal :3
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[14:27] <Phrewfuf> well i have 3 identical cards right here
[14:28] <Phrewfuf> the first one worked just fine, now i put on of the other two in my second pi and it's just sitting there doing nothing as it seems
[14:28] <Phrewfuf> though the ACT led glows
[14:28] <Phrewfuf> class10 cards, btw
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[14:30] <setamagiga> i had this a few times until i noticed i need to "sync" / unmount properly after the copy was done. dont know if this helps you
[14:32] <Phrewfuf> ah, something happened
[14:32] <Phrewfuf> i don't know what was wrong, but it's continuing now
[14:33] <Phrewfuf> also a thing i noticed...if you want to install raspbian and need to format the card before copying...do it with windows
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[14:34] <Phrewfuf> linux screws up the FAT32 somehow, the pi won't even boot from the card
[14:34] <Phrewfuf> just flashes the ACT led, doesn't even turn on HDMI out
[14:35] <frikinz> Format the card before dding? useless I think. I haven't done anything under windows and didn't experience a single problem
[14:36] <frikinz> I simply did a dd of the img to the whole card
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[14:40] <BillK> does anyone know of a version of omxplayer that will "seek" in mpeg2 files?
[14:40] <BWMerlin> I think I have seriously broken my raspbian install, every time I start up it tells me I need to do a manual fsck and once I complete it it still says there is more to do after a restart but even restarting and doing a fsck again I still get the same error message
[14:40] <Phrewfuf> frikinz: not dding...installing
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[14:42] <Phrewfuf> one has to copy the installer files onto a FAT32 partition on the sdcard to be able to install raspbian
[14:42] <TAFB> Phrewfuf: are you using berryboot?
[14:43] <Phrewfuf> TAFB: i actually have no idea...ist just downloaded the .zip from raspbian.org
[14:43] <TAFB> Phrewfuf: you can not "install" raspbian from the zip, you must "image" it to the SD card.
[14:44] <TAFB> are you one windows or mac or linux?
[14:44] <TAFB> are you on...
[14:44] <frikinz> BWMerlin: How do you switch off your pi?
[14:45] <BWMerlin> I try and sudo shutdown -r 0
[14:45] <TAFB> BWMerlin: to reboot your pi: "sudo shurdown -r now"
[14:45] <BWMerlin> but it has stopped responding a lot so i have had to power it off at the wall
[14:46] <TAFB> to shut it down, "sudo shutdown now" :)
[14:46] <frikinz> :)
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[14:47] <frikinz> BWMerlin: did you check your sd for badblocks?
[14:47] <BWMerlin> yes
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[14:49] <BWMerlin> still same thing
[14:50] <frikinz> BWMerlin: is it a standard install you did and the original raspbian image ?
[14:50] <BWMerlin> yes the rasbian image from raspberrypi.org
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[14:54] <aDro> dd
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[14:56] <frikinz> BWMerlin: also the original config.txt?
[14:57] <BWMerlin> unsure
[14:57] <BWMerlin> how can I test?
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[15:00] <frikinz> BWMerlin: I think its this one http://paste.debian.net/222193/
[15:01] <frikinz> that's the one in 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian
[15:01] <frikinz> I'd also try checking the sd from a linux computer. insert, check dmesg, mount both partitions, check dmesg
[15:02] <aDro> How do I switch from my SD to the External?
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[15:03] <TAFB> define "switch", move your operating system from the SD to USB external?
[15:03] <aDro> I want to install an os onto a 14gb external, and then use that 14 gb to install pi images onto an sd card.
[15:03] <TAFB> the Pi can not boot from USBb
[15:03] <aDro> I know
[15:04] <TAFB> so you're going to boot from SD and hot swap the card?
[15:04] <aDro> Yes
[15:04] <TAFB> i see. I would install berryboot onto SD card, boot it, then install OS to USB and it'll work flawless.
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[15:05] <aDro> I am booted onto Debian, how do I switch the os on my usb external?
[15:05] <aDro> I cloned the os onto the external.
[15:06] <TAFB> aDro: you have to edit /boot/cmdline and also fstab
[15:07] <TAFB> to point at /dev/sda1 (or whatever your USBb is called).
[15:07] <aDro> the boot on the sd card?
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[15:08] <Anickyan> Hey.
[15:09] <Anickyan> I am trying to set up a webserver on my Pi, but no PHP code gets executed.
[15:09] <TAFB> ... /boot will always be the SD card :)
[15:09] <Anickyan> And I did install both php5 and php5-cgi
[15:09] <TAFB> Anickyan: what web server? pancake?
[15:09] <Anickyan> TFP: apache2
[15:09] <BWMerlin> frikinz: I don't know if this makes any difference but the okay LED isn't flashing
[15:10] <TAFB> Anickyan: why apache? it blows goats on the Pi.
[15:10] <Hodapp> Why does apache "blow goats" on the Pi?
[15:10] <TAFB> too slow :)
[15:10] <Anickyan> What should I use instead, then?
[15:10] <Hodapp> How slow is it?
[15:10] <wowpin> TAFB what do you recommend then?
[15:11] <TAFB> Hodapp: 16 pages per second on PHP, pancake = 87 pages per second and nginx = 84 pages per second. I tested a bunch others as well.
[15:11] <aDro> :(
[15:11] <frikinz> BWMerlin: I don't know a lot about the leds. I have an older pi. Apart frm the led, did it boot?
[15:11] <TAFB> I really like pancake on the Pi, super super easy to set up, worked flawless with PHP with no messing around.
[15:12] <TAFB> but it didn't support Port Proxy, which I needed for my webmail server on the Pi, Citadel.
[15:12] <TAFB> so I had to switch to nginx and php-fpm
[15:12] <TAFB> pain in the butt to get php working, but works flawless now.
[15:12] <wowpin> TAFB I shall give it a try then, thank you.
[15:12] <TAFB> http://tafb.yi.org <- nginx
[15:12] <TAFB> http://tafb.yi.org/webmail <- citadel proxy through nginx
[15:13] <TAFB> wowpin: are you running wheezy?
[15:14] <wowpin> tafb: yes
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[15:16] <TAFB> wowpin: I'm sorry, I have lost my instructions for installing pancake and PHP :( I will keep looking.
[15:17] <TAFB> wowpin: these are their instructions: https://github.com/pp3345/Pancake/wiki/My%20first%20Pancake
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[15:17] <BWMerlin> frikinz: mine is the first gen one and yeah boots but lots of errors
[15:17] <wowpin> tafb: I think I should be fine, I found a guide on pancake requirements and installation
[15:17] <TAFB> wowpin: nice :) good luck! it worked really well for me.
[15:17] <frikinz> BWMerlin: what errors?
[15:18] <TAFB> wowpin: if you can't get it working, I can help you get php-fpm working on nginx ;)
[15:18] <wowpin> tafb: Thanks for the link, I'll check it out:)
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[15:20] <frikinz> I'd be interested to see a comparison of say 8 workers with nginx+phpfpm+apc compared to pancake.
[15:20] <TAFB> what's apc?
[15:21] <viric> a php cache thing
[15:21] <TAFB> ahhh
[15:21] <frikinz> http://interfacelab.com/nginx-php-fpm-apc-awesome/
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[15:22] <frikinz> (first link found..)
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[15:22] <frikinz> So... have to find what to put in my fstab for cifs with this new kernel.
[15:23] <BWMerlin> frikinz: with dmesg what am I looking for?
[15:23] <TAFB> I'm using my own caching technology :) uses lots of CPU but damn the pages load instantly! without cache, pages loads in 2.83 seconds, with cache, .0021 seconds :) woot! http://tafb.yi.org
[15:23] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: turns out the issue with scratchbox was due to mismatched qemu/sb2/zlib versions
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[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> hm =/ that's an odd one
[15:24] <ShiftPlusOne> all working fine now?
[15:24] <viric> caching technology that uses lots of cpu? :)
[15:24] <Datalink> anyone work with http://adafruit.com/products/268 on their pi's GPIO?
[15:25] <TAFB> viric: yes, on a page that changes it's ENTIRE content ever 1 second, the cache eats up CPU due to having to convert dynamic to static more than once per second :)
[15:25] <TAFB> viric: on something like wordpress, where it doesn't need to update once per second, it wouldn't use any cpu at all.
[15:26] <viric> that works for pages that don't expect user input
[15:26] <Phrewfuf> TAFB: this http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller the .zip contains the installer. what is so difficult about understanding me?
[15:26] <frikinz> BWMerlin: well, the line that appear when you insert it.
[15:26] <frikinz> BWMerlin: the lineS
[15:26] <frikinz> and mount the partitions
[15:26] <TAFB> Phrewfuf: never used the installer, sorry. why don't you try berryboot?
[15:27] <TAFB> Phrewfuf: I thought you were using the wheezy .img ;)
[15:27] <Phrewfuf> TAFB: no, the img contains stuff that i don't want...e.g. a window manager
[15:27] <TAFB> viric: why does it not work with pages expecting user input? I have it so users can control my GPIO, all live, works fine.
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[15:28] <TAFB> viric: I can not think of a situation where it wouldn't work, jquery does all the background live updating stuff, it can handle user input/response even while still on the static page.
[15:28] <viric> ah ok. congratulations :)
[15:29] <Phrewfuf> btw, does anyone have an idea how one could set up a splash screen instead of the kernel output?
[15:29] <TAFB> hehe. thx! took me a while to make it work, I can't wait to try it with wordpress or dropu
[15:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Phrewfuf, plymouth
[15:29] <Datalink> oh right, I was going to look into that
[15:30] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: Better, although I still don't seem to have root access when using -R fakeroot option
[15:30] <BWMerlin> frikinz: can you be a little more specific
[15:31] <frikinz> I have no sd card reader so I can't tell you more. look dmesg last lines. insert card, look newer lines, mount, look newer lines
[15:32] <Phrewfuf> ShiftPlusOne: does plymouth need X? or will it just render to framebuffer?
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[15:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Phrewfuf, framebuffer 'course
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[15:36] <BWMerlin> it says it recommends running e2fsck
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[15:50] <aDro> Seems to be working
[15:50] <aDro> :S
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[15:55] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, no reason that won't work with a Pi. (in a country where they have those funny plugs/sockets :)
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[15:57] <BWMerlin> frikinz: I have tried running sudo e2fsck /dev/mmc and get a message about the superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem
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[15:58] <frikinz> BWMerlin: /dev/mmc ?
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[15:59] <gordonDrogon> BWMerlin, are you running this on the Pi itself?
[15:59] <user82> BWMerlin, that does not really work. type "Mount" and use the path that is mounted "on /"
[15:59] <BWMerlin> no
[15:59] <user82> (should be first in the output)
[15:59] <frikinz> I have no /dev/mmc
[15:59] <BWMerlin> yeah just changed to to /dev/mmcp2
[16:00] <TheCommieDuck> I've got my external HD connected to my powered USB hub. I can do lsusb and see it connected, but fdisk -l only shows mmcblk0p1 and 2.
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> fsck -fC /dev/mmcblk0p2 would be the usual way..
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> if it's plugged into an on-board reader on a pc/laptop..
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> if it's a USB reader, it may be /dev/sdb2 (or /dev/sdX2 - X is variable depending on what else you have)
[16:01] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I have a lamp I use on a timer as part of my wakeup routine, I want to tie that lamp, a system to see if my phone's on the local network (probably just a ping or some Android Daemon later) and a few other things to start ito home automation.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, sure - well that'll work, if a little on the expensive side.
[16:02] <TheCommieDuck> It's NTFS formatted, but I've can't see it in /dev/ to try and mount it,.
[16:02] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I have more in mind down the road, this lamp's seasonal
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, go for it ...
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, lots of nice daylight spectrum lights out there now too.
[16:04] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I have a cheap box light, works wonders for my SAD though
[16:04] <Datalink> also I think my light sensitivity's been reduced or fixed
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, I have a good daylight lamp in my sauna - which I don't use nearly enough...
[16:04] <Datalink> lucky
[16:05] <BWMerlin> gordonDrogon: ran that command and it says it still has errors
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> BWMerlin, what sort of errors?
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[16:05] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, but yeah, I want to tie the lamp to dawn/dusk tables and onlt trigger when I'm within a block of home (wifi range)
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, should be easy with the Pi.
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[16:07] <user82> has anyone seen a tutorial for bare metal in c?
[16:07] <BWMerlin> warning filesystem still has errors
[16:07] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, what I was thinking, it happens to sit in theright spot with my printer near
[16:07] <user82> or a proper makefile or arm-none-eabi at least
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> user82, yes, there's a cambridge uny site doing it.
[16:09] <Datalink> heh, programming the Pi bare metal feels like we've got the most over-powered Arduino with the most under-powered GPIO... that said, I still wanna do it some day
[16:09] <user82> gordonDrogon, do they go over to c code too? not only asm?
[16:09] <gordonDrogon> user82, I think they start in C.
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> user82, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=72
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> user82, you'll need to search that to get to the cambridge site with tutortials.
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> BWMerlin, sounds like its hosed. if it's really that bad after an fsck, then there is something very wrong with it.
[16:11] <BWMerlin> with the install or the actual card?
[16:11] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, just posted to HaD, you may be interested, and happy: http://hackaday.com/2013/01/06/hardware-spi-with-python-on-a-raspberry-pi/
[16:11] <TheCommieDuck> Huh. I just booted my pi with the external HDD attached to the hub and it got stuck in timeouts of /dev/ ledprobe or something
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, I do SPI in C already. Not intersted in Python.
[16:12] <user82> gordonDrogon, there is some good examples in there....good start for learning on
[16:13] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, yeah, more a 'you're already doing this' thing, also WiringPi is supposed to handle this stuff I thought?
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, wiringPi handles SPI very well indeed.
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, and I2C now too...
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[16:15] <Datalink> cool, I may include my blinkm in my synthetic sun control thing...
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[16:15] <Datalink> I still need to get back on Pi'd Piper though... haven't touched that in a while
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> ?
[16:18] <Datalink> Pi'd Piper was my idea to make an control board that'd also have power, to allow the Pi to be used as a portable MP3 player
[16:18] <Phrewfuf> 2
[16:18] <Datalink> just the vitals to control the Pi as an MP3 player, no bells or whistles.
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> didn't someone make a one-button Pi that did that for their elderly relative (or something?)
[16:19] <raspier> ShiftPlusOne: So my sb2 gcc command still builds x86 ...
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[16:24] <Datalink> maybe, but I want a device that's the whole MP3 player save audio hardware, there's an AVR in my design for login, starting of music daemon and maybe display control
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> The should make an OK mp3 player - if a bit big :)
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> just connect the 3.5mm output to speakers/amp ...
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[16:28] <Datalink> yep
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[16:29] <Datalink> if I get far with it, I'd sell the board and either get included in Rasbian or have a USB stick with an install script
[16:30] <Datalink> or use some clever handling to make it run a shell command to monitor the IO pins for the controls
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> just make and maintain the package yourself. no real need for it to be included in raspbian..
[16:33] <Datalink> true
[16:34] <TAFB> hey gordonDrogon :)
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon> hi
[16:35] <TAFB> i got my box runnin sweet. exim (catch-all) plus Citadel (webmail/pop3/imap etc.), using port proxy through nginx (port 8888 to 80), http://tafb.yi.org/webmail :)
[16:35] <Gordio> Wow
[16:35] <TheCommieDuck> Is /dev/sda the SD card?
[16:35] <Gordio> mplayer -vo null eat 35% CPU! O_o
[16:36] <TAFB> TheCommieDuck: the sd card is /dev/mmcakljh or whatever :)
[16:36] <TheCommieDuck> TAFB: Oh, okay :P
[16:36] <Gordio> TheCommieDuck, /dev/mmc...
[16:36] <TheCommieDuck> So /dev/sda must be my hard drive, but fdisk -l doesn't show it.
[16:36] <Gordio> /dev/mmcblk0 - Block Device 0
[16:36] <TAFB> Gordio: run "md5sum < /dev/urandom" and tell me how much CPU gets used
[16:36] <Gordio> /dev/mmcblk0p1 - Block Device 0, Partition 1
[16:37] <TheCommieDuck> Ohhh, that makes sense.
[16:37] <Gordio> TheCommieDuck, show ls /dev/sd*
[16:38] <TheCommieDuck> Gordio, it's just /dev/sda
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[16:38] <Gordio> TAFB, I think 100% :D
[16:38] <Gordio> need test on while true; do echo KILL ME; done
[16:38] <Anickyan> TAFP, I tried installing Pancake, and I get this error: No compiled PancakeBase natives found
[16:38] <TAFB> Gordio: that's the command I use to test my cooling/overclocking all the time, works sweet.
[16:38] <Anickyan> And the internet has no solutions.
[16:39] <TAFB> Anickyan: are you using wheezy?
[16:39] <Anickyan> Yes.
[16:39] <Gordio> TheCommieDuck, wow. You harddrive don't have partitions? =\
[16:39] <TAFB> Anickyan: why are you compiling? there's a sudo apt-get pancake
[16:39] <Gordio> TheCommieDuck, show dmesg, fdisk -l and (hdparm -z /dev/sda && ls /dev/sd*)
[16:39] <Anickyan> Ohh...
[16:39] <TAFB> :)
[16:39] <TAFB> lol
[16:40] <TheCommieDuck> Gordio: I don't know. It's a 1TB external one which I formatted as NTFS from windows; I think it might be a power issue, but the fact /dev/sda exists (and lsusb recognises it) makes me think otherwise
[16:40] <Anickyan> I just cloned into the Git repo.
[16:40] <Gordio> TAFB, Good choice :D
[16:40] <TAFB> that's why I'm tring to find the instructions that I wrote, they were so awesome, super plug and play like 2 mins install pancake, have PHP running and my status page up and running on your pi http://tafb.yi.org (raspberryPi source at the bottom)
[16:42] <Gordio> TAFB, how me get good speed for Xorg?
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[16:43] <Gordio> -server
[16:44] <Phrewfuf> hm...is there any info on how to setup plymouth on raspbian?
[16:44] <Gordio> Phrewfuf, pfhe
[16:45] <Gordio> Systemd - true way :)
[16:45] <Gordio> You need, only, install Arch ;)
[16:45] <TAFB> Gordio: good speed in xwindows/lxde you mean? On the Pi? rofl. good luck! no GPU support yet.
[16:45] <TAFB> Gordio: I'm loving systemd, I hated it at first, but once I wrote my first few .service files it's awesome now
[16:46] <Gordio> TAFB, yeah!
[16:46] * Gordio use Gentoo with Systemd
[16:46] <Gordio> its awesome! ^_^
[16:46] <TAFB> is debain going to switch over to systemd too?
[16:46] <Gordio> TAFB, wayland on rpi? =)
[16:47] <TAFB> Gordio: is wayland like VNC?
[16:48] <Gordio> Wayland - is as X11, but on OpenGL
[16:48] <TAFB> ahhhh
[16:48] <TAFB> openGL rips on the Pi :)
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[16:48] <Gordio> *on/with (sorry my broken English)
[16:48] <Gordio> rips == die?
[16:48] <TAFB> where are you from Gordio?
[16:49] <TAFB> rips = fast :)
[16:49] <Gordio> From Ukraine :)
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[16:49] <TAFB> ahhh, the receptionist at my work is from the Ukraine :)
[16:49] <TheCommieDuck> Is it the Ukraine, or Ukraine? :P
[16:49] <Gordio> where are you from?
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[16:50] <TAFB> She was from Sevastopl, Ukraine :)
[16:50] <Gordio> And what is you work? (hm, maybe what is you work?)
[16:50] <TAFB> I am from Canada, near Toronto, Ontario.
[16:50] <Gordio> Canada! ^_^
[16:50] <TAFB> I'm a computer technician, set up networks, fix viruses, the usualy :)
[16:51] <Gordio> oh "any key" man :D
[16:51] <user82> drinking coffee, checking for hours if internet works!
[16:51] <TheCommieDuck> my pi just crashed, so those fdisk/dmesg will be a minute.
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[16:51] <Gordio> TheCommieDuck, waiting...
[16:52] <TheCommieDuck> However, when I booted it with the external HDD attached, it was hanging on 'populating /dev/' until I unplugged it.
[16:52] <Gordio> TAFB, I have shance find work in Canada? (My dream live in Canada)
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[16:52] <TheCommieDuck> I don't know what it's trying to do, but that can't be right.
[16:53] <TAFB> Gordio: Canada won't let you come work here, unless you have a skilled trade that is in demand here. What do you do?
[16:53] <Anickyan> TAFB, I am getting this error when running "sudo apt-get install pancake": http://pastebin.com/6LqaqPuW
[16:54] <TAFB> Anickyan: ok, give me a sec to find the real apt-get name :)
[16:54] <Anickyan> :)
[16:54] <Gordio> Little Admin, Little Programmer (C, Python, Shell, Perl), Little site making and more little and little =)
[16:54] <Gordio> gordio.pp.ua - my work :)
[16:55] <TAFB> Gordio: your chances of coming to work in canada are not good. If you were electrician, plumber, engineer, architecht, etc, for sure, but for computer stuff they say we already have too many :)
[16:56] <Gordio> TAFB, ok. I understand, thx for information. :)
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[16:57] <TAFB> Gordio: If you find a Canadian woman on the internet and marry her, they will let you in and work and get all free healthcare and they'll even pay you while you're looking for a job too ;)
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[16:58] <Datalink> TAFB, woo, as an engineer, I have a chance!
[16:58] <Anickyan> TAFP, have you found it?
[16:58] <TAFB> Datalink: for sure, but why do you want to come to canada!?? The SNOW! remember :( where do you live now?
[16:58] <kajus> hello everybody, I have an interesting issue: I'm trying to get image from my webcam, webcam provides video frames in strange format, however on my laptop (arch linux) libv4l can convert it into RGB24, but on rpi, I get the original strange format, not RGB24. I have v4l-utils installed, my program was compiled successfully. I've been trying to figure out what's going on for 3 hours, but nothing. Do you have any idea how to solve my problem?
[16:58] <Gordio> :D
[16:58] <Datalink> TAFB, Wisconsin
[16:59] <TAFB> Anickyan: i have not, I'm using Arch linux, no apt-get so I can not search :(
[16:59] <TAFB> Datalink: lol, so same crap different pile :) welcome to canada
[16:59] <Datalink> TAFB, pretty much
[16:59] <Anickyan> Can you tell me how to search for it, like, what I should do etc?
[16:59] <Gordio> :D
[16:59] <Gordio> yeah!
[16:59] <TAFB> Anickyan: I'm super noob linux, but if you google "how to search package name apt-get debian" it should tell you
[16:59] <Gordio> Cannadie "merry me" sites)
[17:00] <TAFB> then it's just like apt-get search pancake
[17:00] <TAFB> and it'll tell you the name of the package :)
[17:00] <Gordio> apt-cache search <pkg_name>
[17:00] <Datalink> Anickyan, apt-cache search <string>
[17:00] <Gordio> Datalink, xD
[17:00] <TheCommieDuck> gah, I can't copypaste out of a remote desktop
[17:00] <Anickyan> Thank you.
[17:01] <Anickyan> No results, though.
[17:01] <Gordio> TheCommieDuck, screenshot)
[17:01] <TAFB> Gordio: I am not sure, google may be your answer, but canadian people use match.com or pof.com or facebook to find other canadian people :)
[17:01] <Gordio> Anickyan, maybe before search need apt-get update
[17:01] <Anickyan> I just executed apt-get update.
[17:02] <TheCommieDuck> http://codepad.org/laAzYsft this is the dmesg and fdisk output; I couldn't get hdparm to actually work
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[17:03] <TAFB> Anickyan: i'm looking for ya :)
[17:03] <Anickyan> Ok. Thank you!
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[17:05] <Gordio> hm
[17:05] <Gordio> TheCommieDuck, you can test disk on desktop?
[17:06] <TheCommieDuck> Gordio: The hard drive will work on my main PC.
[17:07] <TAFB> ahhh, i totally forgot I have mint linux in VM, uses apt-get, different, but might help.
[17:07] <Anickyan> What?
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> todays 365 (-3): https://projects.drogon.net/my-365/january-2013/tea/
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[17:12] <TAFB> Anickyan: for some reason, it appears Pancake has been removed from the apt-get library :(
[17:13] <Anickyan> So I have to compile it?
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[17:13] <TAFB> Anickyan: it looks like it, yes.
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> bit early for pancakes yet..
[17:13] <TAFB> you followed those instructions on the pancake page?
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> Feb 12th ...
[17:14] <Mnegative> Hello, I am looking for a atrix lapdock hack and slasher. I am having a HDMI issue. See: http://lapdockmod.blogspot.com/
[17:15] <TAFB> Mnegative: still haven't got the open/closed switch working? it's magic alien goo I tell you!
[17:16] <Anickyan> TAFB, so how would I got about doing that?
[17:16] <TAFB> Anickyan: one sec, I think there was instructions on the "my first pancake" page... one sec for linl
[17:17] <nerxgas> anyone want to help me with my ultra portable laptop shopping? i have two products in mind, pm me if you want to take a look and let me know if you think its a good purchase
[17:17] <nerxgas> thanks
[17:17] <Mnegative> TAFB: I have 6 lapdocks so taking a second one apart to troubleshoot peice by piece is on the horizon
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> does anyone know of a screen recorder type program for Linux?
[17:17] <TAFB> Anickyan: you have to download the tarball from the pancake site, then follow the steps under "step 2" https://github.com/pp3345/Pancake/wiki/My%20first%20Pancake
[17:17] <TAFB> Anickyan: if you can get that working, you'll graduate from linux noob to linux student :)
[17:18] <TAFB> Mnegative: yeah, if you find the solution, i'm sure people will be very happy :)
[17:18] <TAFB> Mnegative: why don't you leave the dock fully assembled? or you have a super crazy project in mind? :)
[17:19] <Gordio> Compiling its easy!
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[17:19] <TAFB> it's the untarring and chmodding for noobs, where they usually run into the probs :)
[17:19] <Mnegative> I want a computer picture frame in the end. with BT keyboard / mouse. I am a Photog so that is the end goal
[17:19] <Mnegative> hanging on the wall
[17:20] <TAFB> Mnegative: you will LOVE the aterisk screen, SO clear :)
[17:20] <TAFB> Mnegative: I would like to see pics when it is complete.
[17:21] <Mnegative> the LCD in the lapdock ? I've been using it to run Ubuntu and Backtrack 5 / played some 720P movies off of it. Definitley.
[17:21] <TAFB> yeah, the screen in the lapdock, super nice :) where did you buy yours from? Was thinking about getting one for myself :)
[17:21] <Mnegative> if you can find them, 9.97$ each Radioshack
[17:21] <Mnegative> thats why I bought 7
[17:22] <Mnegative> total
[17:22] <Mnegative> I wanted more
[17:22] <TAFB> SERIOUS? wow. lol
[17:22] <Mnegative> yeah
[17:22] <TAFB> that's the one with the mouse/keyboard/battery, everything?!
[17:22] <Mnegative> oh to top that, spend 50$ get one back
[17:22] <Mnegative> yes
[17:22] <TAFB> wow, that's nuts :)
[17:22] <Mnegative> ^_^
[17:22] * TAFB googles for lapdock deals...
[17:22] <Mnegative> you wont find it that way
[17:22] <TAFB> lol
[17:22] <Mnegative> up and in person is the only way
[17:23] <Mnegative> i spent 5 hours on the phone calling CA CO TX NM AZ MA NH MA FL etc etc etc shitload of stores
[17:23] <user82> waht did you buy Mnegative ?
[17:23] <TAFB> look like cheapest I can find is $60 shipped.
[17:23] <Mnegative> 90% radio shack employes will not give two shits to help you get them
[17:24] <Mnegative> user82: Atrix lapdock
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[17:24] <user82> good price
[17:25] <TheCommieDuck> I guess nobody's got any ideas why my HDD isn't appearing on fdisk then? :P
[17:25] <Mnegative> drivers
[17:25] <Mnegative> bah, I am about to go break down another lapdock it looks like :P
[17:26] <TAFB> Mnegative: good luck, measure resistance and continuity of EVERY wire, open screen, write down every wire, every reading, close screen, do the same, see what changes.
[17:26] <billkd> OK, I've set up an sd card with everything for my project. And it boots and works fine. Now, if I want to make an image that I can burn to several more sd cards, the syntax for that command on my linux box would be dd if=/dev/sdxx of=name-of-image.img bs=1M correct?
[17:26] <Mnegative> TAFB: thanks
[17:27] <user82> billkd, yes that will work with the corect /dev/sdx
[17:27] <billkd> OK
[17:27] <user82> you probably need root rights to do so.. with "sudo" in front of the whole command
[17:28] <billkd> or from a sudo -i shell
[17:28] <user82> or that
[17:28] <billkd> then, to write it back just (as root) dd if=name-of-image.img of=/dev/sdxx bs=1M
[17:29] <billkd> correct?
[17:29] <user82> yes..but be really careful to choose the right /dev/sdx or you might kill your data on another device!
[17:29] <TAFB> Anickyan: any luck with pancake? if you need help I can connect into your Pi and give ya a hand :)
[17:29] <Anickyan> Compiling DeepTrace ATM :)
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[17:30] <TAFB> Anickyan: oh, I don't think you needed to do the deeptrace part :)
[17:30] <TAFB> did you try running the ./pancake.sh file and see if it loads?
[17:30] <Gordio> sudo comamnd OR sudo -i
[17:30] <user82> has anyone compiled handbrake already?
[17:30] <TAFB> then you should be able to open a web browser from computer on your network and go to (ip address of pi) and it should work
[17:30] <Anickyan> That can't be a good thing :(
[17:31] <Anickyan> usr/bin/m4: ERROR: copying inserted file: No space left on device /usr/bin/m4: write error
[17:31] <TAFB> oh damn, how big of SD card?
[17:31] <Gordio> Anickyan, Need more gold!
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[17:31] <Anickyan> I have 16 Gigs.
[17:31] <TAFB> Anickyan: you need to run "sudo raspi-config"
[17:31] <Gordio> Anickyan, df -h | wgetpaste
[17:32] <TAFB> and pick to expand roof fs.
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[17:32] <Anickyan> I have to eat now, I'll be back in an hour or so.
[17:32] <TAFB> ok, eat safe.
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[17:32] <TAFB> get rasp-config running expand before you eat!
[17:32] <TAFB> it takes a while
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[17:33] <user82> true that..i aborted mine thought it was stuck
[17:33] <TAFB> lol
[17:33] <TAFB> do NOT abort ;)
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[17:33] <plugwash> hopefully the slow expansion will be fixed in the not too distant future
[17:33] <user82> new system..not important
[17:33] <TAFB> i hate all the linux programs that give you no status, like DD etc, :)
[17:33] <plugwash> when the rpf moves to a newer kernel
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[17:34] <user82> TAFB, it was more that i had no display
[17:34] <TAFB> user82! no console? lol for rootfs expand... that's terrible.
[17:34] <user82> yep kernel is quite "old"
[17:34] <user82> TAFB, it was set up to connect to wifi by itself when booted
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[17:34] <TAFB> ahhh
[17:34] <TAFB> and you just got impatient? lol
[17:35] <user82> yep....^^
[17:35] <TAFB> I had to run the command on 120gb SSD, was not fun :(
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[17:36] <advisor> can someone tell me something about moebius linux?
[17:36] <advisor> aka. own experience
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[17:37] <deam> anyone got experience with Alex Bradbury? I am trying to setup a chroot using setup_spindle_environment. But I am running into the following error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/maarten/rpi/spindle/my_spindle_chroot mount -t proc proc /proc
[17:37] <deam> any suggestions?
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[17:38] <advisor> alex bradbury? ..wtf..
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[17:38] <deam> ?
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[17:38] <deam> oh, Alex Bradbury's Spindle that should have been :)
[17:39] <frikinz> deam: no idea what spindle is but the mounts have to be done first. then chroot /...
[17:40] <deam> I think the debootstrap command is taking care of the mounts
[17:40] <deam> actually I think it tries to chroot and then mount
[17:40] <frikinz> Don't think so. debootstrap only installs to a directory. and it doesn't need /proc anyway
[17:41] <frikinz> this command is weird as proc and /proc after chrooting will be the same
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[17:43] <deam> frikinz: this is the command that gets executed, and the log (I think it dies at that point) http://pastebin.com/UUxBTHwQ
[17:44] <herdingcat> anyone familiar w/ ct-ng?
[17:44] <raspier> herdingcat: yup
[17:45] <herdingcat> raspier, hey mate: http://fpaste.org/nv8H/
[17:45] <herdingcat> raspier, do you have any idea?
[17:45] <herdingcat> raspier, my OS is Fedora 17 x8_64
[17:45] <herdingcat> raspier, my OS is Fedora 17 x86_64
[17:47] <akulbe> I got a 2nd Pi, and I'm trying to set it up as a music streamer for an office (among other things)... having issues getting mpd to work. Any of you guys used mpd on your rpi?
[17:47] <herdingcat> raspier, don't know why it will report such problem.
[17:47] <raspier> herdingcat: I've not come across the before - looks like an issue with static linking failing. Possibily lack of virtual memory or due to permissions?
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[17:48] <frikinz> deam: no idea sorry. Seems quite different from what I do.
[17:48] <deam> frikinz: ok :(
[17:49] <deam> I tried to get in contact with the creator of those scripts, but no luck so far
[17:49] <raspier> Alex is on here sometimes
[17:52] <frikinz> herdingcat: did you check build log?
[17:52] <herdingcat> frikinz, yes
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[17:52] <deam> raspier: whats his nickname?
[17:54] <frikinz> herdingcat: looks like you need to manually set CT_WANTS_STATIC_LINK to n in .config
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[17:57] <herdingcat> frikinz, set as?
[17:57] <frikinz> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.cross-compiling/15226
[17:57] <frikinz> herdingcat:
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[18:52] <TheCommieDuck> Is there any way to check if my hard drive not being found is just a power issue?
[18:53] <SpeedEvil> MOAR POWA
[18:54] <|Jeroen|> captain if i push it any more she will blow
[18:54] <FrankBlues> I'd "dmesg | grep -i usb | less"
[18:54] <TheCommieDuck> I don't think I have any more power. :p
[18:54] <TheCommieDuck> FrankBlues: I've got a dmesg log, but I don't know what to look for.
[18:54] <FrankBlues> There should be underpower errors in dmesg.
[18:54] <TheCommieDuck> http://codepad.org/laAzYsft dmesg and fdisk
[18:55] <Gordio> My Gentoo PI Desktop - ompldr.org/vZ3l1cA :D
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[18:55] <TheCommieDuck> pretty messy as I didn't know where to cutoff
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[18:55] <FrankBlues> Have you tried mounting /dev/sda1?
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[18:56] <FrankBlues> I assume it's a samsung portable drive?
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[18:56] <TheCommieDuck> Samsung M3 Portable.
[18:56] <TheCommieDuck> And I did; it just hangs.
[18:56] <TheCommieDuck> OR says it's not mountable. I'll try again.
[18:57] <FrankBlues> Is it plugged directly into the pi or into a powered hub?
[18:58] <TheCommieDuck> Into a powered hub.
[18:59] <FrankBlues> Maybe run "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" in a terminal while your trying to mount it - you should see errors as they happen.
[18:59] <TheCommieDuck> Huh, now I get 'Failed to read bootsector'
[18:59] <FrankBlues> How is it formatted?
[18:59] <TheCommieDuck> And the device doesn't have a valid NTFS apparently (with sudo -t mount ntfs-3g -o uid=pi,gid=pi /dev/sda /media/HD). This is entirely new. >_>
[19:00] <TheCommieDuck> FrankBlues: As an NTFS drive, done on my windows machine.
[19:00] <FrankBlues> Does it work with sda1 instead of sda?
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[19:01] <TheCommieDuck> No such directory.
[19:01] <TheCommieDuck> ls /dev/sd* returns only sda.
[19:01] <FrankBlues> Hmm, that's not right.
[19:02] <Mnegative> STUPID MAGIC MAGNETS
[19:02] <TheCommieDuck> Every guide I've seen says 'do fdisk, you'll see sda1, mount that' but I just see nothing from fdisk, and the only sda I have is sda..so something's certainly up.
[19:02] <TheCommieDuck> lsusb lists it though.
[19:02] <FrankBlues> I'd consider checking it on the windows machine - maybe even running chkdsk (or the modern equivalent) on it.
[19:04] <FrankBlues> In my experience, linux doesn't handle ntfs problems very well.
[19:04] <TheCommieDuck> Great, now it's not being detected on my windows powered USB either. >__>
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[19:04] <TheCommieDuck> Yet it's fine seemingly with a direct connection to my PC.
[19:05] <TheCommieDuck> I thought the power draw would've been the same.
[19:05] <FrankBlues> Your HD may just not like hubs...
[19:05] <TheCommieDuck> Ugh.
[19:05] <TheCommieDuck> Same with my ipod connector.
[19:06] <TheCommieDuck> That hates hubs too.
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[19:07] <Anickyan> Hello again!
[19:07] <TheCommieDuck> Ohai.
[19:07] <FrankBlues> I assume this is for media storage - could you share it on the windows machine and connect to it on the pi?
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[19:07] <Anickyan> TAFB, I am getting this error when running the pancake.sh file: http://i.imgur.com/i9wYN.png
[19:07] <TheCommieDuck> FrankBlues: It is; I could, but I was hoping to have it connected to the pi so it has 24/7 access.
[19:07] <TheCommieDuck> My windows machine only stays on when I'm on it
[19:13] <Olipro> that looks like Gentoo
[19:13] <TheCommieDuck> Would a USB splitter cable work (that is, double the power?)
[19:13] <Olipro> it might, depends how much current the supplier can put out on each port
[19:13] <Anickyan> TAFB: nevermind got it working! (YES)
[19:14] <Anickyan> How would one run pancake in the background?
[19:14] <Olipro> can't it daemonise?
[19:15] <TheCommieDuck> Supplying 2A to a 4port hub, thus 0.5A power per port I assume?
[19:15] <TheCommieDuck> (I never got electricity.)
[19:15] <Olipro> potentially, some hubs can dynamically provide current
[19:15] <Olipro> although they usually don't let a single port take more than 75% of the available power
[19:16] <TheCommieDuck> Hm.
[19:17] <rikkib> Put in a test RPi camera in a clients place not knowing there was unknown activity when the place was closed and captured a female burglar on Christmas day and there may be pics on the cam from Sunday when the owner caught someone at it... Detailed are sketchy at this point but the cam is turned of to preserve images until I travel to the city on Wed...
[19:17] <TheCommieDuck> 'A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0', which means it should be getting the same power from the hub as it does direct from my PC
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[19:20] <Anickyan> Can anyone see my messages?
[19:21] <TheCommieDuck> <Anickyan> How would one run pancake in the background? is my last one
[19:21] <mdszy> Anickyan, yes.
[19:21] <Anickyan> Ok, good.
[19:21] <Anickyan> Have anyone here ever worked with the Pancake HTTP server?
[19:21] <mdszy> Anickyan, if people don't answer, it's because they might not know the answer to your question, not because your messages "aren't going through", that pretty much never happens on IRC.
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[19:22] <mdszy> If it looks like your messages are 'going through', and you're not getting any errors (and your ping number isn't going through the roof), then they are
[19:23] <Anickyan> mdszy: I have had some experiences, where I can still see incoming messages, but I cannot send any myself.
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[19:23] <Anickyan> But, well, now they are.
[19:23] <Anickyan> On an un(semi)-related note, where is the WWW directory for pancake?
[19:23] <mdszy> Anickyan, look in the config file
[19:23] <Anickyan> It's a shame that you can find almost nothing on google.
[19:23] <mdszy> whatever that might be
[19:24] <Anickyan> I did.
[19:24] <mdszy> or you know, you could use a different HTTP server, one with more documentation.
[19:24] <rolleiflex> try nginx
[19:24] <mdszy> Like Lighttpd or apache or nginx
[19:24] <rolleiflex> it has been pretty well for me so far
[19:24] <rolleiflex> apache might be a little too heavy for rpi
[19:24] <nid0> apache works fine on a pi, but obv depends on your workload
[19:25] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, ping
[19:25] <rolleiflex> yup???works fine of course, but nginx is my new favourite
[19:25] <rolleiflex> that puppy is fast
[19:25] <Anickyan> Ahh!
[19:25] <Anickyan> Found it!
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[19:26] <Phrewfuf> goddan plymouth
[19:27] <ShiftPlusOne> Phrewfuf, everything going smoothly I see
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[19:29] <Phrewfuf> it lets me set a theme...it lets me update initramfs
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[19:30] <Phrewfuf> but then i found this forum thread where one needs to set a buttload of options and addresses for ramfsfile
[19:30] <ShiftPlusOne> Phrewfuf, is this a pi-specific forum thread?
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[19:31] <Phrewfuf> yup
[19:31] <Phrewfuf> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=10532&p=118157&hilit=plymouth#p118157
[19:31] <Phrewfuf> that one
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[19:34] <kajus> does anybody tried v4l2 camera on rpi? I'm not able to get image from my camera. Using this code http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/v4l2grab-example.html, I'm able to capture image on my computer (running arch linux), but not on rpi. I get error - libv4l2 didn't accept RGB24 format. Any idea?
[19:35] <Anickyan> TAFB?
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[19:38] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, pong
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[19:38] <Mnegative> Ok Any ATRIX LAPDOCK Tinker-ers on? I just discovered something interesting:: http://lapdockmod.blogspot.com/
[19:39] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, doesn't matter... asked in #openelec already.
[19:41] <TAFB> Anickyan: hey
[19:41] <Anickyan> Hey!
[19:42] <Anickyan> I got the server running, but PHP code is not executing.
[19:42] <TAFB> sorry, was eating blueberry pancakes! all that talk about getting pancake working made me hungry :)
[19:42] <Anickyan> I.e. I can see the PHP code when I click "View Source", which is not good.
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[19:42] <TAFB> Anickyan: NICE! congrats :)
[19:42] <TAFB> Anickyan: that's OK, it just means Pancake isn't processing the .php file through PHP :)
[19:42] <Anickyan> Yeah...
[19:42] <Anickyan> But my site is like 50% PHP
[19:43] <TAFB> lol
[19:43] <TAFB> we can make it work ;)
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[19:43] <TAFB> you did: sudo apt-get install php5-cli
[19:43] <TAFB> right?
[19:44] <Anickyan> Yes.
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[19:45] <TAFB> okies, gimme a sec for the config you need
[19:45] <rikkib> kajus, I use motion and the camera's I use use uvc driver and cams are yuvu format
[19:45] <rikkib> oor mjpeg
[19:45] <TAFB> what is the home folder for pancake, where is the conf file?
[19:46] <Anickyan> "/usr/local/Pancake/conf/"
[19:46] <TAFB> k. 1 sec. did you edit your php.ini file yet?
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[19:48] <Anickyan> No.
[19:48] <Anickyan> :)
[19:48] <TAFB> k. can't remember if we have to, still looking over my notes :)
[19:48] <Anickyan> How can I kill the server, or run it in the background?
[19:49] <TAFB> ctrl-c will kill it
[19:49] <TAFB> to run it in the background, you need it to run the script on startup
[19:49] <TAFB> I put mine in rc.local but peeps said not to do that
[19:49] <TAFB> but it worked sweet
[19:50] <Anickyan> Ok.
[19:50] <Mnegative> I have searched around the internet tubez and besides #raspberrypi where would I find some lapdock enthusiasts ?
[19:50] <Anickyan> But if I press ctrl+c, will it close all sockets?
[19:51] <Anickyan> If not, I cannot restart before I reboot.
[19:51] <TAFB> yep, kills it completely.
[19:54] <Anickyan> Ok, good.
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[19:54] <Anickyan> What is the difference between ctrl+z and ctrl+c?
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> ctrl-z sends to background
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> you can bring it back by running 'fg'
[19:56] <ShiftPlusOne> not just sends to background, but 'pauses' as well.
[19:57] <TAFB> Anickyan: did you find your php.ini file? found where you need to do ish in it.
[19:57] <Anickyan> How is it possible to send to background, without pausing?
[19:57] <Anickyan> TAFB, one sec.
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[19:57] <TAFB> k.
[19:57] <TAFB> lemme kno when ready
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I think you can run 'bg'
[19:58] <ShiftPlusOne> but any stdout from the program will show up in the terminal
[19:58] <Anickyan> TAFB, I cannot find any.
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[19:58] <TAFB> ok. 1 sec.
[19:59] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't actually know what you're doing and I am sure whatever program you're talking about has its own 'background' parameter you can pass when launching to make it run as a daemon.
[19:59] <TAFB> try /etc/php5/cli/php.ini
[20:00] <rikkib> Haha... A couple of days of log watching has all the new lot of googlebots blocked from my ftp server...
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[20:00] <Anickyan> TAFB: Ohh.
[20:01] <Anickyan> I was lookking in the Pancake dir.
[20:01] <TAFB> :)
[20:01] <TAFB> ok, in php.ini, under section "Paths and Directories"
[20:01] <Anickyan> Yeah...
[20:01] <TAFB> Ok, should say: ; UNIX: "/path1:/path2"
[20:01] <TAFB> and the next line under it:
[20:01] <TAFB> include_path = whatever
[20:02] <TAFB> you see the include_path? what is it set to now
[20:02] <Anickyan> yeah.
[20:02] <Anickyan> .:/usr/share/php
[20:02] <Olipro> rikkib: or, just look up which IP prefixes are assigned to Google and block those
[20:02] <TAFB> ahhh, that's the problem :)
[20:03] <TAFB> ok, change the entire line to:
[20:03] <TAFB> include_path = ".:/usr/share/php:/usr/local/Pancake/vhosts/default"
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[20:03] <TAFB> assuming your PHP/html files are in /usr/local/Pancake/vhosts/default ;)
[20:03] <Patteh> guys i want to access files stored on a USB stick plugged into my pi (running latest raspbian)
[20:03] <Anickyan> They are :)
[20:03] <Patteh> my question is, does it mount to the same location each time
[20:03] <Patteh> or can i force it to
[20:04] <rikkib> Olipro, Can't figure out how to block on netmask. For some reason hosts.deny does like what I put in...
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[20:04] <Patteh> so that it will still retrieve the files after a restart
[20:04] <TAFB> Patteh: you can put UUID in FSTAB so it always mounts to same.
[20:04] <TAFB> Anickyan: save the file, try your PHP again :)
[20:04] <Olipro> so get iptables
[20:04] <Patteh> TAFB would a change in usb stick require an update in FSTAB?
[20:04] <rikkib> iptables deal to google http traffic as well
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[20:05] <TAFB> Patteh: for auto mount, yep.
[20:05] <rikkib> I don't want that
[20:05] <Patteh> ah
[20:05] <Olipro> you need to learn about stateful firewalling then
[20:05] <rikkib> Anyway not a RPi issue
[20:05] <Patteh> i was hoping it might just automatically mount to sda01 or similar
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[20:05] <Olipro> not to mention the fact it can ban based on the protocol and port
[20:05] <TAFB> Patteh: when I tried that, it would randomly mount to /dev/sda /dev/sdb, etc. was annoying
[20:05] <Olipro> or more accurately, deliver a verdict
[20:06] <Anickyan> TAFB, it still doesn't work.
[20:06] <rikkib> Simplest solution is to just keep adding to hosts.deny
[20:06] <TAFB> Anickyan: ok, we probably have to tweak something in the pancake.conf file, lemme look
[20:06] <Patteh> i'll stick to storing the files online. ty TAFB
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[20:09] <TAFB> Anickyan: maybe you need to reboot for php to read the .ini? i'm not seeing anything we need to config in Pancake, unless you wanna use index.php you need to edit Pancake/conf/vhosts/default.yml file and add index.php under index.html etc.
[20:10] <Anickyan> I'll try.
[20:10] <lee> if you alter php.ini you need to restart your httpd, at least with apache
[20:12] <TAFB> thanks lee :) reboot should fix that :)
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[20:14] <Toothpick> when compiling a new kernel i boot from it and i see nothing but colourful screen from the HDMI output , what could go wrong?
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[20:25] <lee> anybody around who can answer what is probably a really stupid electronics question?
[20:26] <ShiftPlusOne> lee, I am really stupid, I might.
[20:26] <FrankBlues> Possibly
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[20:26] <lee> ShiftPlusOne: as far as electronics are concerned, so am I =)
[20:26] <vorsaykal> No one is able to answer that question for sure, but if you asked the question you are talking about, we could tell you if we knew.
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[20:27] <lee> ok, so ...
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[20:27] <ShiftPlusOne> vorsaykal, maybe he's just wondering if someone could... as a hypothetical situation. =D
[20:27] <KiltedPi> I'm more stupid!
[20:27] <KiltedPi> Hypo-what-ecal?!?!?!?
[20:27] <KiltedPi> :DDD
[20:27] <vorsaykal> ShiftPlusOne: Touche.
[20:27] <KiltedPi> I'm an electronics noob myself. I can answer software questions
[20:27] <KiltedPi> I've made an LED test circuit
[20:27] <KiltedPi> thats about it :/
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[20:28] <vorsaykal> I've taken a Grade 11 Engineering course!
[20:28] <KiltedPi> I didn't even think I would need breadboard
[20:28] <KiltedPi> go lee.
[20:28] <KiltedPi> whats the Q?
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[20:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I am failing an electronics degree, so I am an expert on this.
[20:28] <lee> I have an LED strip that is powered by a 12v 7A mains PSU. PSU powers a control box, which the strip plugs in to. this is in a shed, where the LED will be the only lighting system. there's a solar panel connected to a charge controller conencted to the battery. the question is, can I just wire a DC jack directly from the battery to the control box without letting the magic smoke out?
[20:29] <lee> I figure that going from 12v DC battery to an inverter to a DC PSU is inefficient and silly
[20:29] <vorsaykal> lee: That was a perfectly non-stupid question.
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[20:30] <lee> I am pretty sure the answer is I can connect it just fine, but an answer from someone who KNOWS would be nice
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[20:31] <ShiftPlusOne> I am with you on that one... I'd think it's fine, but I'd verify first.
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[20:31] <FrankBlues> lee, I don't see why not - I would put a fuse in the negative lead just in case something in the LEDs shorts / behaves badly.
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[20:33] <Holden> lee what does the control box do? it allows you to adjust the brightness of the leds?
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> Probably.
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[20:34] <lee> it's an RGB strip, so it controls colour and brightness, and provides power
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> I'd stuck a multimeter over the output of the panel + battery just to check, but I'd also suspect the control box has it's own regulator anyway...
[20:34] <lee> er? why?
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> why what? why the multimter? just to be sure (paranoia) or why the regulator? because most electronics works at 5v ...
[20:35] <lee> the solar panel is only connected to the charge controller, not the battery directly
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> well - I meant the output of the battery as a whole unit.
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> *shrug* what's the worst that can happen - you lose 15 quids worth of LEDs ..
[20:36] <ShiftPlusOne> Could drawing current from the battery mess up the charging circuit?
[20:36] <pksato> lee: solar panel control dont have a 12V output?
[20:37] <lee> gordonDrogon: ok, I'm confused, what exactly would you check?
[20:37] <lee> and more like ??40 but still :P
[20:37] <Holden> in that case I don't think the control box has another regulator... it will probably use PWM to change colour and brightness... the fact is, a fully charged 12V SLA battery can reach 14.4V, but I don't think that will be a problem for the controller+led strip
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[20:37] <Berazu> hi there
[20:38] <lee> Holden: it's a cheap chinese piece of crap, but I'm hoping that a 2 volt difference won't matter
[20:39] <Holden> lee let's hope who designed that thing did its homework...
[20:39] <lee> (well, almost 2.5v)
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[20:40] <Mnegative> TAFB: I win!!!! http://lapdockmod.blogspot.com/
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[20:40] <Holden> lee under load the battery voltage will drop anyway, those leds will need a substantial amount of power to work
[20:40] <lee> actually if the control box goes pop that's not too bad, the LED strip would be quite ungood though
[20:41] <lee> Holden: oh? I didn't realise that
[20:41] <lee> I mean, eventually, yes ...
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[20:41] <Gallomimia> what kinds of symptoms should i look for if i suspect low power
[20:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Gallomimia, without a multimeter?
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[20:42] <Gallomimia> what can i do to diagnose it
[20:42] <Gallomimia> uh, i have one
[20:42] <Gallomimia> i've tried that before... what am i looking for?
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> Measure the voltage between TP1 and TP2 (marked on the board)
[20:42] <ShiftPlusOne> They are test points
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[20:43] <Gallomimia> this is my only computer right now. i'm using it to type to you
[20:43] <Gallomimia> i get frequent hangs, characterized by large cpu wait % in top
[20:44] <Gallomimia> what the hell... cpu usage just dropped to 10%
[20:45] <FrankBlues> CPU usage varies drastically on any linux machine.
[20:45] <lee> Gallomimia: install the sysstat package, run: iostat -x -m 1
[20:45] <lee> that'll tell you what's happening that's IO related
[20:45] <Gallomimia> ghah.... 4.53V
[20:46] <frikinz> FrankBlues: Hi. Did you try a little bit xmms? If yes, do you get memory leaks? I don't recall having some with my previous versions (which you might have). Not a big deal but makes the whole unusable.
[20:46] <ShiftPlusOne> Gallomimia, yeah, that's.... not good at all.
[20:47] <Gallomimia> i've been running it for 3 days straight like that!
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[20:47] <FrankBlues> frikinz, I've been playing with it a bit - I'm not noticing a memory leak, but I will keep an eye out for it. I also can't get crossfade to work...
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[20:48] <FrankBlues> frikinz, /usr/lib/xmms/Output/libcrossfade.so: undefined symbol: ID3Frame_GetField
[20:48] <Gallomimia> tip: don't run your pi off a cheap NAS's usb port and torrent all night.
[20:48] <frikinz> FrankBlues: ok. hum weird. Well, don't update! :) onthis release, crossfade didn't work. It does now. But there are mem leaks somewhere
[20:48] <frikinz> FrankBlues: the same on a x86 machine I have
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[20:49] <FrankBlues> Only other machine I use xmms on is an old SGI Octane.
[20:49] <frikinz> FrankBlues: with crossfade?
[20:49] <frikinz> on my pc, crossfade DOES have mem leaks
[20:50] <FrankBlues> I don't think I've used crossfade on the Octane.
[20:51] <Gallomimia> down to 4.49V during the apt-get session. how is my pi not switching off :O
[20:51] <Gallomimia> and why didn't i think of power problems earlier :/\
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[20:53] <s5fs> I'm having trouble manually partitioning an sdcard using fdisk. Does anyone have a link or info on how to manually partition sdcards for use with rpi?
[20:54] <Holden> s5fs, partitioning an sd card is basically the same as partitioning an hd... what's the problem, exactly?
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[20:54] <Amadiro> s5fs, also, which distro are you trying to put on the card?
[20:54] <frikinz> I'm also having quite instability. Can't go past 3 days with few activity. Can normal phone charger be unstable? I'm using the one from my Galaxy S3 but now using an iphone one.
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[20:55] <Amadiro> frikinz, I'm powering mine with a samsung galaxy phone charger, and had no problems so far
[20:55] <s5fs> Holden: I'm trying to set the heads=255, sector=63, cylinders=968 (per my card) and when I go to create my first primary partition, it wants to start either at 63 or at 2048, but never at 1.
[20:55] <frikinz> Amadiro: do you get uptimes of more than 5 days?
[20:55] <frikinz> Amadiro: for me it works fine a few days and then. Locked
[20:56] <Amadiro> frikinz, but since chargers are intended for, well, charging, they are not really required to be "stable" in all possible ways, so who knows
[20:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Gallomimia, is your supply the type you can plug a regular usb cable into, or is the cable already attached to the supply?
[20:56] <s5fs> Amadiro: distro is angstrom, I have the image built and need to partition the card next.
[20:56] <Amadiro> frikinz, yes, I've had one set up as a NAS running for a few months now
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[20:56] <frikinz> Amadiro: oww. / is on sdcard? overclocking?
[20:56] <Amadiro> frikinz, / on sdcard, no overclocking
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[20:57] <Gallomimia> regular cable. just a plain port on the back of a device. i've misplaced my normal Supply
[20:57] <frikinz> Amadiro: okay. thanks. Mine is on a usb stick. Have to do some tests
[20:57] <Holden> s5fs, well, I'd start by not specifying the parameters and let it read them from the device... the starting offset is made so that new hd can work without a speed penalty (I'm talking about the so called 'advanced format' disks, the ones with 4K sectors), but those can be overridden
[20:58] <Amadiro> frikinz, might be a problem if the USB bus gets reset
[20:58] <Amadiro> I think the OS would probably not like that
[20:58] <frikinz> Amadiro: this does happen something yes. I see some usb reset in syslog. could be that other times its just not logged (as logs are.. on /)
[20:59] <VinsShip> Is it possible to work with grub ?
[20:59] <rikkib> Hmmm webcam does not like being pointed at the sun. The black object in the top right hand side is the sun. http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[20:59] <s5fs> Holden: okay i'll give it a go. the instructions i've found for beagleboards was very specific, so i was looking for similarly specific info on the pi.
[20:59] <frikinz> Amadiro: so you have an external usb disk connected? with its own power?
[20:59] <Holden> s5fs, are you going to use that sd as additional storage space on the rpi?
[20:59] <Amadiro> frikinz, yeah, I don't think the kernel would automatically recover your root if the device has to be re-enumerated
[20:59] <s5fs> Holden: however, i'll give it a go with just fdisk supplying defaults. i can't imagine it'll work any worse than it does now, haha!
[20:59] <Amadiro> frikinz, yes, external 2TiB HDD with its own power supply.
[20:59] <s5fs> Holden: no, i want the boot and root partitions on it.
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[21:00] <s5fs> Holden: what i'm really attempting to do is learn how to use angstrom.
[21:00] <Holden> s5fs, lol, let me try here... see if I can make one that starts on sector 1
[21:00] <frikinz> Amadiro: sounds good. and you ever get some usb resets?
[21:00] <s5fs> Holden: there's also an excellent chance that i've pooched the card previously, haha!
[21:00] <Amadiro> frikinz, I don't think I've ever gotten any yet.
[21:01] <Holden> s5fs, you could erase the first 4K with dd... but I'm sure it's not necessary
[21:02] <frikinz> Amadiro: like usb 1-1.2: reset high-speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg
[21:02] <s5fs> Holden: yeah, true. i've dd'd the raspbian images onto this card w/o luck in the past. it's funky.
[21:02] <frikinz> Time for me to copy back everything on the sd and stop OC
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[21:03] <Holden> s5fs, also note that, if the partition starts at sector 1 instead of 2048, we only save 2048*512=1Mb of data... not much on a 2 or more Gb card
[21:03] <s5fs> Holden: also a good point. i'm mainly just trying to follow directions to the best of my ability in lieu of rtfm'ing (where possible)
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[21:04] <s5fs> Holden: i'm trying another card to see if there's something funky w/that other card
[21:04] <Holden> s5fs, ok
[21:06] <s5fs> Holden: thanks for all your help. i'm going to let fdisk provide defaults during partitioning, drop files, and see how things go. i need to take the kids for a walk, they're getting antsy (winter in oregon)
[21:06] <s5fs> Holden: i'll check back in a while, thx again
[21:06] <rikkib> Unusual radio propagation on 20M (14MHz). My antenna is pointed at Japan, from NZ, and a Brazilian station is load and clear coming right round the globe. What is called long path where the signal travels further than half way around the world..
[21:06] <Holden> s5fs, ok, I had an example, next time then! have fun
[21:07] <s5fs> Holden: PM me anything you feel is relevant. i'm gone maybe 30-40min, oldest kid has no jacket (teens!) so i doubt we'll be gone long haha!
[21:07] <Holden> s5fs, lol, ok then
[21:08] <Gallomimia> waveskip
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[21:08] <Gallomimia> rikkib its called waveskip
[21:09] <rikkib> Multi path as well as he said he could hear an echo on my signal when I talked to him.
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[21:09] <rikkib> Skip is the term we normally use in the Amateur radio community
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[21:11] <rikkib> 14.245MHz and he is still working.
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[21:12] <rikkib> Now he is working a station in Germany in German. Obviously multi lingual
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[21:13] <rikkib> Call sign PY5QW
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[21:16] <rikkib> http://www.qrz.com/db/PY5QW
[21:16] <rikkib> No wonder... Huge antenna
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[21:35] <Retrospect> anyone have experience with the Wi-Pi dongle?
[21:35] <Retrospect> http://nl.farnell.com/element14/wipi/dongle-wifi-usb-for-raspberry-pi/dp/2133900
[21:36] <user82_> Retrospect, i have the cheapest chinese one i cold find...works
[21:36] <Olipro> just get a cheap Ralink USB
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[21:40] <Retrospect> does it require a powered usb hub ?
[21:40] <Retrospect> the ones you're using
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[21:46] <rikkib> From my client with the RPi security cam in his place after I sent him movie caps of activity on Christmas day... ha, thats a stranger, I will give it to the police when they follow up on the weekends circus
[21:47] <Retrospect> :o
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[21:47] <rikkib> Thieves were in his place on Sunday and he disturbed them
[21:48] <rikkib> Maybe my first kill with a RPI cam...
[21:48] <lee> FrankBlues: btw, why a fuse in the negative rather than the positive?
[21:49] <rikkib> He had not idea his closed yard was being invaded.
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[21:50] <FrankBlues> lee, most 12v radio equipment is fused on the negative lead, not quite sure the rationale, although I've seen fuses on both leads.
[21:50] <scummos^> does that make any difference
[21:51] <rikkib> My radio is fused both leads
[21:51] <rikkib> Draws about 15 amps
[21:51] <rikkib> 100w pep
[21:51] <rikkib> Kenwood TS2000
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[21:53] <rikkib> 13.8v as well for any calcs
[21:53] <FrankBlues> lee, I figured the fuses would protect the charge circuit in case something shorted on the LED side of things.
[21:55] <lee> just wondering, I'm looking for an inline car fuse from ebay and it has red leads, which I am probably foolishly assuming indicates positive...
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[21:56] <rikkib> Red leads generally have a black strip to indicate which is negative
[21:56] <rikkib> Same as black leads which have a white strip on one wire
[21:57] <FrankBlues> Some google-fu indicates that fusing positive is the standard.
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[21:58] <rikkib> Yes however as per my $3.3kNZD radio some equipment fuse both leads
[21:58] <lee> hmm, also need to find a switch that'll handle a 7 amp load
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[21:59] <rikkib> 7A is nothing for most power switches
[21:59] <rikkib> most will do 10A
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[21:59] <rikkib> Only use switches with the rating printed on them
[22:00] <rikkib> Voltage and current
[22:00] <rikkib> Unless it is low current
[22:00] <lee> 12v 7a :P
[22:01] <rikkib> They usually have HV and LV ratings on them
[22:01] <lee> does AC/DC make a difference?
[22:01] <rikkib> no
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[22:02] <rikkib> Low voltage is usually assumed to be DC and the ratings on the switch will indicate this
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[22:04] <atouk> for high current, you can assule .7 the ac rating of a switch if used for dc
[22:04] <atouk> (assume)
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[22:07] <march> Hi :) Just one question. My Raspberry hangs on xbian, openelec and raspbmc when I want to power down the system. Does anyoneo know what the problem might be? Shutting down the system via ssh works. Might the Pi be defect? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1503961/
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[22:12] <Toothpick> hey everyone, when compiling a new kernel i boot from it and i see nothing but colourful screen from the HDMI output , what could go wrong?
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[22:18] <morsik> hi, anybody tried hacking raspberry into KVM? :D
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[22:19] <morsik> i wonder if it's possible to connect (in anyway...) D-Sub or DVI output from my pc, to raspberry
[22:19] <morsik> and work like in kvm
[22:19] <atouk> hdmi to dvi adaptor
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[22:36] <Mnegative> Atrix-Lapdock mod project is done !!! http://lapdockmod.blogspot.com/
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[22:44] <rikkib> Magnets = Hall effect sensor
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[22:45] <Mnegative> @rikibbi thats what is controlling the on/off ?
[22:45] <rikkib> Probably
[22:46] <rikkib> Look for a little bit that looks like a plastic transistor with two leads
[22:46] <Mnegative> awesome, thanks for the insight. This is why I love IRC channels
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[22:47] <rikkib> goolge hall effect as well and you will get a better idea
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[22:47] <Mnegative> did that a second after i read it
[22:47] <Mnegative> google is my college degree
[22:47] <rikkib> maybe smd technology as well so looking for a transistor may not be the best idea
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[22:48] <rikkib> Google is my friend and so is Vinton :)
[22:49] <rikkib> Vinton Cerf Google's chief Internet evangelist.
[22:50] <rikkib> Must tell him about my latest RPi conquest
[22:51] <Mnegative> :)
[22:51] <rikkib> Captured burglars on a RPi web cam
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[22:57] <rikkib> Don't know why spammers try to create accounts on my hobby web site when it tells them all new accounts are checked before approval.
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[22:59] <atouk> approval? bot don't need no stinkin' approval!
[23:00] <atouk> (bots)
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[23:03] <kfu3049> anyones knows if there any recent news regarding the DTS license?
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[23:04] <user82> kfu3049, is a software decoder too slow?
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[23:05] <kfu3049> jep. 1080p stutter sometimes even 720p
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[23:06] <user82> wow even with overclocking kfu3049 it cannot manage a dts track an nothing else?
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[23:08] <kfu3049> maybe bad video encoding is causing this. but im experincing this only if the video has a DTS multichannel audio
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[23:11] <user82> might be kfu3049 i did not expect 6 channels parallel in an advanved codec to be a trivial task
[23:14] <kfu3049> yes indeed. is there anychance beside hardware acceleration to get it working? my tv doesnt support DTS streams only AC3 so the pi has to decode it
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[23:16] <ackthet> you could recode the audio
[23:16] <kfu3049> i've red that there is maybe the option to by the license for hardware decoding (like the MPEG2 license)
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[23:16] <kfu3049> whats the status on that^^?
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[23:16] <ackthet> http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
[23:16] <ackthet> go ape
[23:17] <kfu3049> go ape? what does this mean?
[23:18] <ackthet> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=go+ape
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[23:19] <VinsShip> >??2.40 but it's just a file.. simply hacking
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[23:21] <clear`> VinsShip: simple hacking?
[23:21] <clear`> for the mpeg-2 key?
[23:22] <kfu3049> if the company wont give us the option to buy the licence will it be possible to "crack" in some way?
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[23:22] <kfu3049> i dont have a clue this kind of "hardware-lincenses" are working
[23:24] <PhotoJim> your hardware can do this already, but they charge you a little money to let you actually use the capability.
[23:24] <PhotoJim> those who don't need the capability can save the money and not use the capability.
[23:25] <kfu3049> yeah i know. im willing to pay for this feature but it isnt clear right now that there will be the possibility to buy the DTS license right?
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Main router blew-up earlier, only jus restored things to normality.
[23:26] <VinsShip> clear`: sure, some generators emerged created by reverse
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[23:27] <kfu3049> @VinsShip for the MPEG-2 or for the DTS key?
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[23:28] <VinsShip> kfu3049: hey guy google can ask you..
[23:29] <kfu3049> ok thx for the info. ill give it a try ;-)
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[23:29] <rikkib> ug mail client crashed
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[23:37] <per> anyone know where to turn for current information on using opengl on the pi? for instance, i've read some comments that opengl only works in fullscreen - is this (still) true?
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[23:50] <Amadiro> per, in theory, it should be possible to use dispmanx to handle opengl windows and do various things with them
[23:50] <Amadiro> per, the xserver however is not able to see your opengl window in any case
[23:50] <Amadiro> per, however, I have not really managed to make dispmanx do anything with an opengl surface other than displaying it fullscreen
[23:51] <per> ouch :(
[23:51] <Amadiro> But even if you get that to work, it won't appear as a window or anything
[23:51] <Amadiro> what you would get would be like "put the opengl context of that size on that position on the screen"
[23:52] <Amadiro> but it would still be an overlay-square that completely ignores whatever other windows or things you have going on
[23:52] <per> can you use SDL to make opengl contexts if they are fullscreen?
[23:53] <per> or do you (still) need to make them manually with EGL calls?
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[23:53] <Amadiro> per, haven't tried making an OpenGL context with SDL yet, but using SDL with HWSURFACEs works fine, at any rate
[23:53] <ShiftPlusOne> per, check the quake source code, I am pretty sure it used SDL
[23:53] <Amadiro> using EGL is not really any more manual than doing it with SDL, though
[23:53] <Amadiro> you pretty much do the same kind of thing
[23:54] <per> ShiftPlusOne: which quake ioquake3?
[23:54] <Amadiro> well, I guess it's somewhat more manual since you have to get dispmanx give you the native window handle for EGL to consume
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> per just a sec
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3
[23:55] <per> well, i'm trying to port an application that uses SDL and OpenGL, so getting SDL to work would make things massively easier :)
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[23:55] <per> ShiftPlusOne: thanks. i'll take a look.
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[23:56] <Amadiro> it says "remove SDL dependencies" there
[23:56] <Amadiro> per, there's another problem, though; SDL does not work (officially) with OpenGL ES at all
[23:57] <Amadiro> And that's all the RPI supports
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Hm
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, they use a modified libsdl
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> or used... ?
[23:57] <Amadiro> there is SDL2 (which is not yet released) which supports GLES, and there's an unofficial SDL1.2 patch that supports GLES
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[23:57] <Amadiro> I have no clue whether either would work on the rpi
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I know there are patches that work. I have used it with sdl before.
[23:58] <per> ugh, its git repo has libSDL binaries in it
[23:58] <Amadiro> but it's probably much much more trouble than it's worth, so I'd just use EGL+dispmanx to get the window handle, and then you can still use SDL for things like input handling, threading, whatever
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> I am struggling to find all of the init code though
[23:58] <per> ok
[23:59] <per> is the situation any easier on the qt front? the program i want to port also has a qt backend.

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