#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2013-01-07

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[0:00] <Amadiro> depends on what "has a qt backend" means
[0:00] <ShiftPlusOne> are you talking about all of the fancy qt 5 stuff?
[0:00] <Amadiro> if it can use something like QPainter to draw things instead of using OpenGL & friends, then that would probably just work out-of-the-box
[0:00] <Amadiro> if "has a qt backend" means it uses a Qt window with an openGL context embedded into it, that won't help you at all
[0:01] <per> it just uses qt4 to create an opengl context and handle input
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[0:01] <per> porting it to qt5 would be simple, if that would help
[0:01] <Amadiro> that won't work on the rpi (and probably never will, unless the accelerated X11 driver somehow gets support for opengl)
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[0:02] <per> why not? i can port the opengl calls to be opengl es2 compatible
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> Amadiro, What will never work on rpi?
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[0:03] <Amadiro> ShiftPlusOne, having an Qt window under X11 with a hardware-accelerated OGL context inside it
[0:04] <per> what is stopping it?
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[0:04] <rymate1234> no opengl support on the chip
[0:04] <rymate1234> we have OpenGL ES
[0:04] <Amadiro> per, the X11 driver doesn't have support for it
[0:04] <rymate1234> which is different in some ways
[0:04] <Amadiro> per, and I don't know if its at all feasible to do it, on the chip
[0:04] <ShiftPlusOne> there's hope for wayland I think
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[0:05] <ShiftPlusOne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTk77JRAKw
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[0:05] <per> well, opengl es2 is just a subset of normal opengl
[0:05] <rymate1234> There's always QtonPi http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-RaspberryPi
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[0:05] <per> so when i say 'opengl' i mean 'opengl es2'
[0:06] <Amadiro> per, yes, but what I said still applies.
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[0:07] <per> so, only way to get opengl working is to create a fullscreen context using EGL and direct calls to the broadcom driver?
[0:07] <Amadiro> per, as far as I know, that's pretty much the case
[0:08] <rymate1234> so someone needs to make a graphics server using EGL
[0:08] <Amadiro> per, but as I said, even if your OpenGL code only uses functions that are valid in OpenGL ES, SDL will not work with it anyway
[0:08] <Amadiro> I don't know about Qt
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[1:12] <Shamu2> hi all
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[1:16] <dniMretsaM> hello Shamu2
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[1:16] <Shamu2> I'm in search of assistance
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[1:17] <dniMretsaM> I might be able to help.
[1:17] <Shamu2> http://lesbonscomptes.com/pages/raspmpd.html
[1:17] <Shamu2> That guide is the closest i've found to do what I want to do
[1:17] <Shamu2> I'm on a windows computer though, and have never SSH'd to another computer
[1:17] <dniMretsaM> look into Putty.
[1:18] <Shamu2> already have it
[1:18] <dniMretsaM> I'm not a Windows user, though, so I can't really tell you much more than that
[1:18] <Shamu2> ok
[1:18] <Shamu2> i can switch over to my ubuntu partition, may be easier that way
[1:18] <Mowcius> open putty - type in pi ip address and make sure you have ssh selected
[1:18] <mythos> putty should do it
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[1:19] <Shamu2> what I'm wanting to do is run MPD on my PI, which is connected to network via ethernet
[1:19] <Shamu2> all of my music is on an external HD on my desktop computer connected to network via wifi
[1:19] <Shamu2> i want to control my music with my phone, basically :o
[1:20] <Mowcius> I've used mocp a bit but that's not really the same :)
[1:21] <Shamu2> if MOPC would be easier to use to accomplish this, I'll try it
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[1:21] <Mowcius> well, moc
[1:21] <Mowcius> it's a console music player
[1:21] <Shamu2> ive heard of it
[1:21] <Mowcius> so not designed to be controlled by a phone really
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[1:21] <Shamu2> CLI playlists and stuff?
[1:22] <Mowcius> yeah, if you like
[1:22] <Mowcius> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hid6Am3zdV4/Td9ozkvRvUI/AAAAAAAABtQ/xQypgKLpG5I/s1600/MOC+audio+player+in+linux+screenshot.png
[1:22] <Mowcius> typical interface
[1:22] <ShiftPlusOne> cli playlists with a proper interface as well as a command interface to go to the next track and whatever else with commands if you prefer
[1:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I have it running in screen and have my media keys bound to the commands.
[1:23] <ShiftPlusOne> though you can detach and attach it without screen anyway
[1:24] <ShiftPlusOne> So yeah, it's quite versatile.
[1:24] <Mowcius> not sure I'd recommend it to someone who wants to control music from their phone though
[1:24] <frikinz> Is there some kind of web frontend?
[1:24] <ShiftPlusOne> you could make your own web frontend, since it's easy to interface.
[1:25] <Shamu2> there are already plenty of android apps to control MPD remotely
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[1:25] <Shamu2> which is why I was going to try that
[1:25] <Mowcius> yeah, it's more suited to it
[1:25] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, mpd is the better option for that sort of thing... there are 100s of interfaces for mpd and I am sure there are a few web ones as well
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[1:26] <ShiftPlusOne> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients
[1:26] <Shamu2> anything network related is confusing as hell to me
[1:26] <Shamu2> im thinking of taking a few classes on it
[1:26] <dniMretsaM> Shamu2: what exactly are you having trouble with?
[1:27] <Shamu2> i honestly dont know where to start after actually installing MPD on the PI
[1:27] <ShiftPlusOne> tutorials and documentation 'course
[1:27] <Shamu2> right now I'm installing Raspbian so I can get started
[1:27] <Shamu2> that's what I'm relying on
[1:28] <Shamu2> unfortunately everything is written assuming linux
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> and you're using...?
[1:28] <Shamu2> windows :)
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> what?
[1:28] <Shamu2> I'm not very well versed in linux either
[1:28] <Shamu2> so that makes this one giant learning experience
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought this was about mpd on your pi...
[1:28] <Shamu2> i just dont want to stumble through this and get it working, and not know how i did it
[1:28] <Shamu2> its happened before lol
[1:28] <Shamu2> it is
[1:28] <ShiftPlusOne> or are you talking about a windows client?
[1:29] <Shamu2> ok
[1:29] <Shamu2> i'm not sure how to connect to my SMB share from raspbmc
[1:29] <Shamu2> openelec is very straight forward for that
[1:29] <ShiftPlusOne> Well... that's not about mpd at all then >.>
[1:30] <dniMretsaM> ok, now I'm confused
[1:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't know, I avoid smb like the plague.
[1:30] <Shamu2> lol
[1:30] <dniMretsaM> lol me too, ShiftPlusOne. though Samba 4 is pretty cool
[1:30] <mythos> man mount.cifs /mount.smbfs
[1:30] <Shamu2> i have 1 goal, and different problems for tackling it diff ways
[1:31] <Shamu2> i can learn to ssh from my windows PC into my PI to set everything up
[1:31] <Shamu2> or i can do it from the pi itself
[1:31] <Shamu2> another problem: connecting raspbian to SMB share
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[1:31] <ShiftPlusOne> that's pretty much the same thing
[1:31] <Shamu2> then setting up mpc
[1:32] <frikinz> in /etc/fstab:
[1:32] <frikinz> //server/share /mnt/share cifs auto,workgroup=WORKGROUP,user=superman,password=s3cr3t,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
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[1:32] <Shamu2> hmm
[1:32] <Shamu2> easy enough
[1:32] <Shamu2> thanks frikinz
[1:33] <pksato> Shamu2: One problem at a time.
[1:33] <frikinz> with latest kernel, cifs-utils is mandatory while it wasn't with 3.2.27. took me some time to find out
[1:33] <Shamu2> true
[1:33] <ShiftPlusOne> You'd think superman wouldn't use such a weak password.
[1:33] <Shamu2> its overwhelming
[1:33] <pksato> or. all come confused.
[1:34] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: looks stronger with these 3 replacing e. john cracks this as quickly as letter indeed
[1:34] <pksato> firts, use you rpi locally, connect some keyboard and monitor. And check if all working.
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[1:35] <frikinz> Shamu2: split the problem.. install raspbian, connect raspbian to smb share. install mpd, mdp client on phone, enjoy :)
[1:35] <frikinz> configure mpd*
[1:35] <Shamu2> :D
[1:35] <Shamu2> thats my plan hehe
[1:36] <jbermudes> Has anyone gotten an error that prevents them from logging in directly on the pi: "Unable to determine your tty name" ?
[1:37] <Shamu2> what distro are you on
[1:37] <jbermudes> Raspian
[1:37] <dniMretsaM> jbermudes: that's a general Linux issue. Never had it before, though, so I'm not sure how to solve it. is it a fresh install?
[1:37] <jbermudes> dniMretsaM: Well, the first time it happened it wasn't, so I reinstalled with the latest raspian but a few days later still got it, so I suspect SD card corruption
[1:38] <jbermudes> I was just trying to figure out the nature of why it would corrupt in such a way to produce that error twice
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[1:38] <dniMretsaM> hmm
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[1:38] <pksato> jbermudes: how do to power off rpi?
[1:38] <mdszy> pksato, unplug it
[1:38] <ShiftPlusOne> do you shut down first?
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[1:38] <mdszy> you can
[1:39] <mdszy> I don't always
[1:39] <pksato> ?
[1:39] <frikinz> I've even removed the sd, installed raspbian on a sd card reader, set it back in to realize the pi was powered :/
[1:39] <jbermudes> pksato: well, the first time I boot it I do a clean shutdown via the terminal, but otherwise the few times I do power it down, it's via a disconnect. But this is used as a server so powering off is rare
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> if you don't always do a proper shut down, then sd card corruption is only a matter of time, I think.
[1:41] <pksato> may be a PSU issue.
[1:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Though admittedly, I've never had any sd corruption issues and I am not too fussed with doing things properly.
[1:41] <frikinz> I wonder if people switch off their pc by removing the cord also
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[1:41] <Shamu2> lol
[1:42] <ebswift> hey, i've got a python app running under uwsgi, and as soon as i add "import RPi.GPIO as GPIO" at the top of my app uwsgi generates an error 500, any quick hints on what to look at? a standalone python app works with it
[1:42] <Shamu2> I just have imy desktop connected to a light switch. When I'm leaving i just flip it off
[1:42] <dniMretsaM> uwsgi?
[1:42] <frikinz> I think the sd card controller reassembles a lot sectors so if between a read, it might corrupt quite a lot of the sd. not like FS with journaling.
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[1:43] <dniMretsaM> oh, nevermind. I know what that is
[1:43] <ebswift> uwsgi to serve up python
[1:44] <jbermudes> It wouldn't surprise me if it's my pi. I'm unable to overclock to turbo without it freezing after a while
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> jbermudes, checked your voltage?
[1:44] <dniMretsaM> jbermudes: that might be a power supply issue
[1:44] <ShiftPlusOne> between tp1 and tp2?
[1:44] <ebswift> aaah, i see the error, now what does it mean... "RPi.GPIO.SetupException: No access to /dev/mem"
[1:45] <dniMretsaM> ebswift: I AM ROOT
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[1:45] <ShiftPlusOne> WHY ARE WE YELLING?
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[1:45] <dniMretsaM> ShiftPlusOne: that's just the saying. I wasn't yelling, per se
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> AH! ok then <.<
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[1:46] <jbermudes> ShiftPlusOne: Yup, my 1amp supply gives it 4.94
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> jbermudes, hm, no problems there then.
[1:46] <ebswift> ok, so uwsgi needs permissions to acess /dev/mem... i'm still a bit lost at that bit
[1:46] <ShiftPlusOne> (as long as it's a clean 4.94)
[1:46] <jbermudes> Can anyone suggest a good SD card? I've been through like 3 so far. Either I have bad luck or my pi loves to corrupt SD cards
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't think the default kernel lets you access /dev/mem
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[1:47] <dniMretsaM> jbermudes: there is a compatibility list somewhere
[1:47] <ShiftPlusOne> jbermudes, my class 10 kingston 8gb ones work fine.
[1:48] <jbermudes> dniMretsaM: Oh, right. Good idea!
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[1:48] <frikinz> only samsung kernels allow /dev/mem access :)
[1:48] <jbermudes> ShiftPlusOne: Cool, I'll check that one out. It never hurts to have extras anyway =)
[1:49] <ShiftPlusOne> yup... I just found my long lost sd card stash a few days ago
[1:49] <dniMretsaM> lol frikinz
[1:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Like finding treasure... now I have a card for each of the distros I use. (yay)
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[1:50] <Shamu2> pot o gold
[1:50] <rikkib> Blue skies... http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[1:50] <frikinz> dniMretsaM: there's a patch ongoing though. Still waiting for it here..
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[1:50] <Shamu2> nz is a scary place
[1:50] <dniMretsaM> it's all because of the camera. who uses camera on their smartphones, anyway?
[1:51] <dniMretsaM> other than pretty much everyone, that is
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[1:52] <rikkib> Nothing to be scared of here... Not snakes, bitey things or the likes.
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[1:52] <ShiftPlusOne> jbermudes, SD10G2/8GB ultimateX 100X, SD10V/8GB ultimateX 120X to be exact.
[1:53] <ShiftPlusOne> whoever put together the new sd card list must have spent hell of a long time on it O_O
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[1:54] <Shamu2> i really shouldnt have chosen raspbmc to install the DE
[1:54] <Shamu2> erm
[1:54] <Shamu2> raspbian*
[1:55] <dniMretsaM> Shamu2: what DE?
[1:55] <Shamu2> whatever raspbian's default DE is
[1:55] <dniMretsaM> LXDE
[1:55] <ShiftPlusOne> lxde
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[1:56] <ShiftPlusOne> you win this time >=|
[1:56] <Shamu2> he even shifted
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[1:56] <ShiftPlusOne> he did =(
[1:57] <dniMretsaM> sorry, ShiftPlusOne
[1:58] <dniMretsaM> I'm even in the middle of a boss battle xD
[1:58] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[1:59] <mythos> that's why: he is full blown with adrenalin
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[1:59] <nezZario> Anyone ever gotten android to work with rp's?
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[1:59] <dniMretsaM> lol mythos
[2:00] <dniMretsaM> nezZario: there is an official port coming, if I'm not mistaken
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[2:00] <akulbe> on my box, I don't have X installed.... CLI only. I'm guessing that I need to enable UTF-8, so that I don't get funky characters for certain things?
[2:00] <nezZario> pretty nice
[2:00] <nezZario> i'm honestly trying to decide if i should by a android mk808 or try to get a raspberry pi... watiing lists are still in the months right now, isn't it?
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[2:01] <Shamu2> no
[2:01] <dniMretsaM> nezZario: no
[2:01] <Shamu2> mine took about a week to get here, southwestern US
[2:02] <dniMretsaM> mine came in under two weeks from Element14
[2:02] <ShiftPlusOne> nezZario, I think farnell/element14/newark/whatevertheycallthemselves have them in stock
[2:02] <nezZario> has anyone ever actually tried android (unofficially) on a rp?
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[2:03] <pksato> nezZario: Android is usanble at moment.
[2:03] <nezZario> sorry you typo'd, to clarify, "usable"? :)
[2:03] <pksato> ops.
[2:03] <pksato> unsable.
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[2:04] <nezZario> .... works or not works
[2:04] <nezZario> lol
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[2:04] <pksato> or... not usable.
[2:04] <mythos> i think he means unstable
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[2:05] <nezZario> ok :)
[2:05] <pksato> need to wait a long time do some happen. after some event (mouse click).
[2:05] <nezZario> you guys favor ubuntu as the stock distro?
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[2:11] <nezZario> um, i hate to be nit picky, but i thought they were $25..why on newark they cost $35 ? is that the 256mb vs 512mb model or am I missing something?
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[2:11] <dniMretsaM> nezZario: $25 is the model A. $35 is the model B
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[2:12] <dniMretsaM> the first revision of the Model B had only 256 megs of RAM (as does the Model A)
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[2:13] <nezZario> Can't even find the model a for sale but eh
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[2:14] <pksato> Model A is not in production.
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[2:15] <dniMretsaM> pksato: only 12 have been sold, correct?
[2:15] <pksato> One batch of model A is produced, to test production line.
[2:16] <dniMretsaM> I'm talking about the 12 Pis of Christmas thing they just did
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[2:19] <plugwash> BTW not all of the 12 pis of christmas have been sold yet, two are still up for grabs
[2:19] <plugwash> http://www.ebay.com/sch/raspberry_pi/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
[2:20] <dniMretsaM> orly? didn't know that
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[3:07] <brady2600> ok im doing a full reinstall of my pi with raspbian
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[3:08] <brady2600> but for some reason, my usb keyboard isn't working
[3:08] <brady2600> which is weird cause when I used berry boot in the past, it worked
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[3:14] <dniMretsaM> brady2600: just flash the SD card
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[3:15] <brady2600> could you point me tword a link that would overview that?
[3:15] <dniMretsaM> how did you install the first time?
[3:15] <dniMretsaM> or did you buy a pre-installed card?
[3:18] <dniMretsaM> brady2600: anyway, basic instructions here (with a link to more detailed ones if you need them): http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[3:19] <brady2600> thanks much i appreciate it
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[3:20] <brady2600> i used berry boot
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[3:54] <mdszy> it's always strange to run pacman -Syu on my Arch Linux ARM install and see "nothing to do"
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[4:02] <dirty_d> mdszy, do you run it every 4 hours?
[4:04] <mdszy> dirty_d, every few hours, but it's surprising because when I ran it on my computer with regular Arch Linux I'd pretty much get something updated every single time
[4:04] <dirty_d> mdszy, jeez, i do it every month maybe
[4:04] <dirty_d> if that
[4:10] <rikkib> There are two ways of auto updating a system... One is to just check and download ready for manual install, the other, full auto install. Usually done daily ina cron job.
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[4:13] <wowpin> everyone asleep I can see
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[4:16] <ParkerR_> wowpin, Nope
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[4:17] <wowpin> You lot never sleep do you :)
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[4:21] <dirty_d> full auto install sounds like a bad idea
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[4:26] <rikkib> I manually when I think of it... Which is not that great for an Internet facing gateway but I also run lots of protection as well as being in front of the thing all the time I am awake.
[4:27] <rikkib> tcpdump runs in console #2
[4:27] <rikkib> mc in #1
[4:27] <rikkib> up to six or so root consoles open on this machine all the time
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[4:28] <rikkib> 1 user... Me
[4:28] <wowpin> just a question out of curiosity.. how many of you run an IRC client in text mode at the moment?
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[4:28] <rikkib> xchat... before that MIrc
[4:29] <wowpin> iirc anyone?
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[4:31] <wowpin> MIRC is Windows exclusive isn't it?
[4:31] * rikkib sleeps normal hours. 10-11 until 6:30 am or so.
[4:31] <rikkib> Mon Jan 7 16:31:38 NZDT 2013
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[4:45] <izpitatel> hello all
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[4:46] <izpitatel> I have a question regarding OpenELEC. It cant boot. Just shows color rectangle.
[4:46] <dr_willis> odd. they have an urc channel here also.
[4:46] <izpitatel> Anyone can provide me a help?
[4:47] <mdszy> izpitatel, are you giving the Pi enough power? That's often a power issue
[4:47] <izpitatel> openelec i believe?
[4:47] <dr_willis> what versuon are you using?
[4:47] <izpitatel> mdszy: 1.2A Adapter
[4:47] <izpitatel> mdszy: class 4, 8G SD
[4:48] <izpitatel> mdszy: Im using my N900 Nokia Charger
[4:48] <mdszy> izpitatel, I'm pretty sure the Pi needs more than 1.2A, the SD card doesn't matter.
[4:48] <izpitatel> :)
[4:48] <izpitatel> dr_willis: Latest one: OpenELEC-RPi.arm-2.99.1
[4:49] <s5fs> wowpin: how long does pizza usually take? out here it's 45-60min on avg.
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[4:50] <izpitatel> mdszy: I was able to boot rasbian and raspbmc till now
[4:51] <izpitatel> mdszy: funny thing is that this colored rectangle is shown right after power on. NO boot! Nothing. Just splash colored image :(
[4:52] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm. Ive had sd/file/curruption/other weirdness with my pi sadly.
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[4:54] <ShiftPlusOne> pi does not need more than 1.2A
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[4:55] <ShiftPlusOne> In fact it is physically prevented from drawing anywhere near that much without mods.
[4:56] <ShiftPlusOne> izpitatel, might be worth asking in #openelec
[4:56] <s5fs> izpitatel: i'd try another sdcard. i've had issues with cards before, even those on the supported list.
[4:56] <izpitatel> ShiftPlusOne: No one writes over there.
[4:56] <Dr_Willis> Well.. This Xios Ds Media Play! thing.. is more crashy/flakey then my Pi. ;) and cost 3x as much.
[4:56] <s5fs> i have an 8ig patriot class10 that just won't work, haha
[4:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive had some of my XBMC-distros on the pi just die. had to reimage the sd. Not sure why
[4:57] <ShiftPlusOne> izpitatel, it has only been a few minutes since you asked. But yeah, I think it's a pi issue not an openelec issue.
[4:58] <izpitatel> s5fs: SD is okay. It was booting with rasbian and with raspbmc.
[4:58] <s5fs> izpitatel: good deal, sorry things aren't working for you.
[4:58] <izpitatel> ShiftPlusOne: you can be right :)
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[4:59] <izpitatel> s5fs: Ill give a try installing and starting xbmc from rasbian.
[5:00] <Dr_Willis> Ive been using XBIAN for my xbmc needs lately
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[5:01] <izpitatel> Dr_Willis: forgot to mention Xbian too. It was working okay on my pi.
[5:02] <Dr_Willis> Yea. wife was using Open elec on her Pi. but she said it died on her.
[5:02] <Dr_Willis> Havent tried booting it to see why.
[5:02] <s5fs> izpitatel: if that doesn't work, i recommend buying a ps3. really nice media player.
[5:02] <sraue> izpitatel, the rainbow splash (or how its called) is normal on rpi, it will be shown before the system boots, more intresting is which LEDs are on actually?
[5:02] <Dr_Willis> Bought her a XIOS by Pivos.. It seems to do XBMC ok.. but its very crashy.. SO for now shes using her Blueray player and watching netflix. ;P
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[5:03] <Dr_Willis> Theres getting to be Hundreds of Media Player devices out now a days. ;)
[5:03] <izpitatel> sraue: just the power led.
[5:03] <s5fs> Dr_Willis: yup, i remember when making your own htpc was a big deal
[5:04] <sraue> izpitatel, the red one?
[5:04] <Dr_Willis> If my netbooks had HDMI out. they would be a HTPC for the wife. ;)
[5:04] <izpitatel> sraue: Same one.
[5:04] <ShiftPlusOne> izpitatel, does the act light flash when you just power up your pi?
[5:04] <izpitatel> ShiftPlusOne: just once
[5:04] <ShiftPlusOne> Also, can you take a closer look at the act light, is it glowing at all? Might be a little dim.\
[5:04] <sraue> if so it looks like the bootloader cant be started... how you have installed openelec?
[5:05] <izpitatel> ShiftPlusOne: for about a second
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[5:05] <izpitatel> ShiftPlusOne: my room is not so bright. i can see the leds status just fine :)
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[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, the power led can be very bring and make the 'dim' green led hard to see unless you look real close.
[5:06] <ShiftPlusOne> *bright
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[5:06] <izpitatel> sraue: im using windows img flasher
[5:07] <sraue> izpitatel, and what you have downloaded?
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> When it can't find the bootloader or sdcard the internal bootcode is stuck in a loop which makes the green led flash really fast, making it look like it's dimly lit.
[5:07] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the content of the fat32 partition on your sdcard?
[5:08] <izpitatel> sraue: uff.. let me see
[5:09] <izpitatel> sraue: http://resources.pichimney.com/OpenELEC/official_images/OpenELEC-RPi.arm-2.99.1.img.zip
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[5:09] <sraue> ok... not sure who created this one, but you have unzipped before?
[5:09] <izpitatel> sraue: sure :)
[5:10] <Dr_Willis> I thought openeelec had some script you used to create the sd card.
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[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Dr_Willis, you build it all on your pc. It takes forever, so some people distribute pre-made images.
[5:11] <sraue> izpitatel, http://openelec.thestateofme.com/ can you try one from here? (from bottom)
[5:11] <izpitatel> Dr_Willis: their script is working undrer linux
[5:11] <Dr_Willis> Just takes like 2 min here on my Ubuntu box. ;)
[5:11] <ShiftPlusOne> Dr_Willis, then we're talking about different things.
[5:11] <izpitatel> sraue: ill try
[5:12] <Dr_Willis> sudo ./create_image /dev/sdg i belive.. was what i did last week
[5:12] <s5fs> Dr_Willis: yeah, that's what i'm seeing too
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[5:12] <s5fs> openelec install docs for linux: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi#tab=Linux
[5:13] <s5fs> i'm burning a raspbian card right now, taking forever
[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, those are already compiled
[5:13] <ShiftPlusOne> I guess that's a better way of doing it
[5:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I do this http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Compile_from_source but that's a "leave it overnight" sort of deal.
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[5:14] <Dr_Willis> ive noticed some times my pi wont boot.. i unplug the sd/power/usb/stuff plug it all back in . and it works. Still not sure what cable is loose or if its somting else going on.
[5:14] <Dr_Willis> Source is a bit over kill i think. ;)
[5:14] <izpitatel> ShiftPlusOne: my other box runs freebsd
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[5:15] <ShiftPlusOne> Dr_Willis, Might be the card. I have one pi which takes all of my cards just fine and an RS one which is a bit picky. I have to try a few times before that one boots with some cards.
[5:15] <mdszy> sj
[5:15] <mdszy> whoops
[5:15] <s5fs> ShiftPlusOne: haha dang man, 12gig for the build env. i'm working on setting up angstrom and i think i'm at 9gig, with a pretty bare image
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[5:16] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if the SD connectr on the pi is not a little well.. lightweight. :)
[5:16] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe overkill, but it used to be the only way to have an up to date openelec image back when the pi came out.
[5:17] <s5fs> ShiftPlusOne: nah, not overkill, you're just maximizing it's potental
[5:17] <Dr_Willis> I notice a little bitty switch at the base of the sd connector. i could see how some bit of fluff could get in there. if you dident have a case on the pi.
[5:18] <ShiftPlusOne> Had a case, but still possible.
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[5:19] <ShiftPlusOne> sraue, by the way, your wiki lies. http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi says to copy "arm128_start.elf" to start.elf, which obviously doesn't exist anymore.
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[5:20] <sraue> ShiftPlusOne, ok, thanks, will correct tomorrow
[5:20] <ShiftPlusOne> np
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[5:21] <ShiftPlusOne> wikis are fun to maintain D=
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[5:22] <sraue> if you have fun with maintaining wiki, you are welcome to do this :-)
[5:22] <ShiftPlusOne> (sarcasm, sraue... sarcasm)
[5:23] <ShiftPlusOne> I have a blog, but only one article on it people actually read and that's enough of a pain for me to maintain. Even though it's just changing a line once in a while.
[5:23] <sraue> i know.. i had enough "fun" with this wiki already
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[5:23] <Dr_Willis> only wiki i use is tiddlywiki ;)
[5:24] <Dr_Willis> was using it at work for a simple database.. then IT got goofed us up. so i cant tiddle at work now.
[5:26] <ShiftPlusOne> Feel free to blame IT_Sean as he is a proud IT representative.
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[5:34] <s5fs> crap, i forgot the rpi doesn't have a 9 pin serial port haha
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[5:41] <clear`> can you install drives for a device that isnt plugged in?
[5:41] <ShiftPlusOne> yes 'course
[5:41] <clear`> i have an old wifi adapter, when plugged in, i cant access the pi via ssh
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[5:42] <clear`> so i want to set up the drivers first, then plug in
[5:42] <ShiftPlusOne> I've got to go, but yeah, that's entierly possible
[5:43] <clear`> thanks, will do it in the next few days anyways
[5:43] <clear`> busy atm :(
[5:43] <ShiftPlusOne> Just don't take advice from TAFB or mdszy and you should be fine. Anyway, 'night.
[5:43] <clear`> lol
[5:44] <clear`> nn
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[6:07] <alexhairyman> Good night
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[6:13] <Tachyon`> s5fs: it has a serial port of a sort, 3.3v levels though so you'd need a max233 etc. to make a serial cable
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[6:24] <Hodapp> I'm using serial on my Pi now; just need an FTDI Basic, 3.3 V
[6:24] <Hodapp> or numerous other boards that do something similar
[6:24] <Hodapp> ...whoa, whaddaya know, OpenElec is happily playing media from a USB stick onto composite
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[6:49] <akulbe> Okay. So my rPi rebooted when I plugged in the wifi adapter because of the power draw. It should have been connected to a powered hub. Got it. However, I'm wondering if I should expect another reboot when I unplug the adapter... ?
[6:50] <TAFB> no reboot when you unplug, no current drop
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[6:51] <akulbe> should I have any issue with getting gpm working on an rPi? It would be nice to have the ability to copy/paste text... pretty much the only thing a mouse would be useful for, on here :)
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[6:53] <Gordio> akulbe, install tmux
[6:53] <Gordio> tmux - very good
[6:53] <akulbe> Gordio: already installed...
[6:53] <akulbe> I use it as my login shell
[6:54] <akulbe> Gordio: it is very good... I like it. That said... what does that have to do with gpm? :)
[6:54] <Gordio> ^b :copy-mode
[6:54] <Gordio> ^b paste-buffe
[6:54] <Gordio> *:
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[6:59] <akulbe> hmm... don't know about that one
[6:59] <akulbe> never used it... better research before I screw something up :)
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[8:09] <TonyRPi> anyone know how to convert a bunch of .bin files to .smd on the RPi?
[8:12] <clear`> are you trying to convert or just change the file extension?
[8:12] <TonyRPi> hm
[8:12] <Datalink> what .bin format? .bin is kinda generic, could be ISO or media of various types?
[8:12] <TonyRPi> well change the extension
[8:12] <TonyRPi> well
[8:12] <TonyRPi> they're sega roms
[8:12] <TonyRPi> in .bin format, but retroarch wants .smd to run genesis games
[8:12] <Datalink> cp <name>.bin <name>.smd
[8:13] <clear`> well if you want to change extension......
[8:13] <clear`> ^^ do that
[8:13] <clear`> replace<name> with *
[8:13] <Datalink> I don't remember if SMD and BIN dumps are the same
[8:13] <clear`> and it will do everyone in the folder
[8:13] <Datalink> yep
[8:13] <TonyRPi> oh sweeet
[8:13] <TonyRPi> thx sir
[8:13] <TonyRPi> i'll try it now
[8:13] <clear`> np
[8:13] <Datalink> <name> being the rom, test first
[8:13] <clear`> yea ofc, test one first lol
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[8:14] <TonyRPi> i get -bash *: amiguous redirect
[8:14] <TonyRPi> ambiguous*
[8:14] <TonyRPi> cp <*>.bin <*>.smd
[8:14] <TonyRPi> is what i typed
[8:14] <clear`> remove <>
[8:15] <clear`> cp *.bin *.smd
[8:15] <TonyRPi> cp: target '*.smd' is not a directory
[8:15] <TonyRPi> is what i get when itype what you typed
[8:15] <TonyRPi> i type*
[8:16] <Datalink> cp sonic3.bin sonic3.smd
[8:16] <Datalink> provided one of your roms is sonic3
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[8:17] <clear`> try mv
[8:17] <clear`> mv *.bin *.smd
[8:17] <Gordio> TonyRPi, hi Tony.
[8:17] <TonyRPi> hi
[8:17] <Datalink> mv could work as well, either is a file change operation, the cp I suggested was to make a copy, in case it didn't work
[8:17] <Dr_Willis> if you are bulk renaming. I think you want rename
[8:18] <Dr_Willis> mv with wildcards like that may not do what you intended
[8:18] <TonyRPi> ^ yes
[8:18] <Gordio> for file in $(ls *.bin); do mv $file $file.smd; done
[8:18] <Dr_Willis> the shell expands the * befor the command actually runs. :)
[8:18] <Datalink> Gordio, that'd make them sonic3.bin.smd, wouldn't it?
[8:18] <Gordio> for file in $(ls *.bin); do mv $(file) "$file.smd"; done
[8:18] <clear`> TonyRPi: did cp work?
[8:18] <Gordio> +
[8:18] <Dr_Willis> spaces in the filenames may also cause big issues
[8:19] <TonyRPi> cp did not work
[8:19] <clear`> did mv work?
[8:19] <TonyRPi> testing these things ^
[8:19] <Dr_Willis> for large complex renaming - i often use the 'qmv' command ;)
[8:19] <TonyRPi> no, for mv it says that *.smd is not a directory
[8:19] <TonyRPi> mv *.bin *.smd
[8:19] <Gordio> or magic with: find ./ -name '*.bin' -exec sh -c 'mv {} {}.smd' \;
[8:20] <Gordio> or little more with basename :D
[8:20] <TonyRPi> ^ lol
[8:20] <TonyRPi> trying Gordio and Dr Willis suggestions now
[8:20] <clear`> hmm
[8:20] <clear`> mv should work
[8:20] * clear` tests
[8:20] <TonyRPi> Gordio: mv $(file) "$file.smd"
[8:20] <TonyRPi> ?
[8:21] <Gordio> mv receive LAST arg as destination
[8:21] <Dr_Willis> qmv is neat - it can give you a big file listing, you use a text editor and its search/replace to change names in. thenyou exit and it renames everything
[8:21] <TonyRPi> ^ oh cool
[8:21] <Gordio> hm. Good tool :)
[8:22] <TonyRPi> hmm
[8:22] <Gordio> TonyRPi, work?
[8:22] <TonyRPi> still not succesful
[8:23] <TonyRPi> im confused about your suggestion Gordio
[8:23] <TonyRPi> do i just type "mv $(file) "$file.smd""
[8:23] <clear`> mv and cp for debian is for directories
[8:23] <clear`> odd
[8:23] <Gordio> "for file in *.bin; do mv "$(file)" "$(file).smd"; done
[8:24] <Gordio> *for
[8:24] <TonyRPi> including the ;done
[8:24] <TonyRPi> part?
[8:24] <TonyRPi> ; done*
[8:24] <Dr_Willis> I think the rename command was designed for this task. ;) but im on an android box now so cant look at 'mak rename'
[8:25] <clear`> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7596
[8:25] <TonyRPi> oh so i dont use quotes
[8:25] <TonyRPi> ?
[8:26] <clear`> no
[8:26] <Gordio> yes. with done
[8:26] <TonyRPi> interesting, when i try to use the Quote key on my keyboard on the Pi, it makes an @ symbol instead of a " symbol
[8:26] <clear`> lol
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[8:26] <clear`> ssh in
[8:26] <Gordio> Only full command
[8:26] <clear`> i had the same problem with | on the pi
[8:26] <Gordio> for file in *.bin; do mv "$(file)" "$(file).smd"; done
[8:26] <TonyRPi> pwnd
[8:27] <TonyRPi> i have to look up the ascii for the " symbol
[8:27] <TonyRPi> lol
[8:27] <clear`> login via ssh
[8:27] <Gordio> TonyRPi, you configure keyboard layout? :D
[8:28] <TonyRPi> i guess not? :{
[8:28] <TonyRPi> raspi-config time ?
[8:28] <TonyRPi> is that where you do that?
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[8:29] <Gordio> no
[8:30] <TonyRPi> Gordio: looks like your method worked
[8:30] <TonyRPi> :)
[8:30] <TonyRPi> thx all
[8:30] <TonyRPi> except i forgot there was like 900 files, so my screen is scrolling like im a mad hax0r :>
[8:31] <TonyRPi> makes me feel pro when i have a screen of streaming text next to me lolz
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[8:31] <TonyRPi> <--- but im so noob ;D
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[8:32] <clear`> we all are
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[8:33] <rikkib> who?
[8:33] <TonyRPi> whoops
[8:33] <TonyRPi> soryr
[8:33] <TonyRPi> that didnt work
[8:33] <TonyRPi> :D
[8:33] <TonyRPi> it was scrollin a bunch of errors
[8:33] <TonyRPi> mv: cannot stat `': No such file or directory
[8:34] <Gordio> or magic with: find ./ -name "*.bin" -exec sh -c 'mv "{}" "{}.smd"' \;
[8:34] <TonyRPi> for file in *.bin; do mv "$(file)" "$(file).smd"; done was what i typed
[8:34] <Gordio> TonyRPi, files with spaces =(
[8:34] <TonyRPi> ok i'll try that
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[8:40] <TonyRPi> Gordio I can't try your magic method because my \ doesnt exist
[8:40] <TonyRPi> and alt 134 isn't working either for it
[8:40] <TonyRPi> :(
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[8:40] <TonyRPi> I can't configure for my keyboard because its not a major brand and not in the list in sudo raspi-config
[8:41] <TonyRPi> hmm
[8:42] <rikkib> use 104
[8:42] <TonyRPi> testing
[8:43] <TonyRPi> no :(
[8:43] <TonyRPi> interesting, depending on which alt key you use, the symbol varies??? never noticed that before
[8:43] <TonyRPi> neither are the \ key though for me
[8:43] <clear`> time for ssh
[8:44] <TonyRPi> oh siht 092 works
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[8:47] <TonyRPi> yay
[8:47] <TonyRPi> magic worked :D thx gordio
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[8:47] <Gordio> aw
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[8:47] <Gordio> sorry my broken english :D
[8:48] <TonyRPi> :D
[8:48] <TonyRPi> where are you from?
[8:48] <Gordio> Ukraine
[8:48] <TonyRPi> oh cool
[8:48] <TonyRPi> !
[8:48] <TonyRPi> ^_^
[8:48] <Gordio> :D
[8:48] <TonyRPi> im from california
[8:48] <TonyRPi> :D
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[8:50] <Gordio> Hello Tony from California :D
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[8:50] <Gordio> You like you sity?
[8:50] <herdingcat> CC=/home/huli/Projects/arm-devel/arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi/bin/gcc make arch=ARM oldconfig
[8:50] <herdingcat> is that correct to compile a kernel for ARM?
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[8:51] <Gordio> replace oldconfig to bzImage
[8:51] <herdingcat> Gordio, why?
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[8:51] <Gordio> or all
[8:51] <Gordio> bzImage make only kernel image
[8:51] <Gordio> modules - compile modules...
[8:51] <herdingcat> Gordio, I have to reconfigure .config file
[8:52] <Gordio> oldconfig - if you update kernel.
[8:52] <herdingcat> Gordio, but it seems still try to use x86_64 gcc to compile the kernel
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[8:52] <Gordio> try make CC=/home.... ARCH=arm oldconfig
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[8:57] <dr_willis> well.. If i plug in my keyboard and mouse into the powered usb hub. THe pi input goes wonky. with repeating keyssssssss and other weirdness.. I plug the mouse directly into the pi and the keyboard works fine.
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[8:57] <dr_willis> but the pi is getting powered by the hub.. so im not sure why it matters.
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[9:00] <Gordio> test
[9:00] <Gordio> 123
[9:00] <Gordio> !lag =(
[9:01] <dr_willis> Moo!
[9:01] <Gordio> try make CC=/home.... ARCH=arm oldconfig
[9:01] <Gordio> herdingcat, ^^^
[9:01] <dr_willis> Testing out a Super Micro Wifi DOngle at the moment. ;) with it and this Mini USB i could have a rather compact Pi.
[9:02] <herdingcat> gordonDrogon, yes, fixed. http://fpaste.org/ArG7/
[9:02] <herdingcat> Gordio, ^^^
[9:02] <herdingcat> Gordio, but I encounter the error I noticed..
[9:03] <Jck_true> dr_willis: How much power that thing draw?
[9:03] <dr_willis> Not sure. :) the wifi router is only 3 ft away. Its a 150Mbps dongle.
[9:03] <dr_willis> its about the size of those Logitech Mini Mouse dongles.
[9:04] <Jck_true> dr_willis: Well basic - Do you use it without a hub and does it run stable?
[9:04] <dr_willis> how can you even measure the powar. Wifi is supposed to reduce power on the fly issent it?
[9:05] <dr_willis> its ran stable in the hub for the last 10 min of testing. ;)
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[9:06] <dr_willis> I gotta track down a mouse with out all these bright blue LEDS. :) this thing draws too much powar.
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[9:08] <Jck_true> dr_willis: Ahh I don't have a hub - but I got one of those split usb cables i've wrecked open so i can attach my multimeter to the power lines
[9:09] <dr_willis> I got a multimeter.. im just to shakey to measuer stuff with any reliability
[9:09] <rikkib> Wireless keyboard/mice draw between 35 - 45mA
[9:09] <dr_willis> and its battery is dead. ;P
[9:09] <Gordio> rikkib, cool
[9:09] <rikkib> The ones I have tested
[9:09] <Gordio> How about Wifi dongle?
[9:09] <dr_willis> The mouse i got is a High-res Wired Razer Death Adder. I really like it. ;)
[9:10] <rikkib> Danger Will Robinson
[9:10] <dr_willis> with bright blue leds. :) i bet thats sucking the life out of the pi.
[9:10] <rikkib> Wifi draws to much current
[9:10] <dr_willis> windows drivers some how can turn off the leds. not sure how to do it otherwise
[9:10] <rikkib> Use with a power hub
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[9:11] <dr_willis> what would be nifty would be a 'wallwart' thats actually a USB hub. save me some wires/desk space
[9:12] <rikkib> /etc/kbd/config & remap
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[9:13] <Gordio> .
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[9:14] <Jck_true> dr_willis: header('Content-type: application/json');
[9:14] <Jck_true> echo json_encode(array(
[9:14] <Jck_true> 'model'=>$model->getAttributes(),
[9:14] <Jck_true> 'measurements'=>$measurements->toArray(),
[9:14] <Jck_true> 'meta'=>$meta->toArray(),
[9:14] <Jck_true> ));
[9:14] <Jck_true> Aww fuck - sorry folks
[9:14] <rikkib> wired network saves a lot of headaches
[9:14] <dr_willis> ;)
[9:14] <Jck_true> dr_willis: furyfi.re/raspberrypi/accessories.pdf
[9:15] <dr_willis> I got a wired connection. but i got this mini dogle the other day for $5 as a backup for my Pc toolbox. ;)
[9:15] <Jck_true> dr_willis: That's the link you want Page 3-4 there's a USB power split cable - that's what you want
[9:15] <dr_willis> Im not even sure i got the Powar on this pi to view a pdf. ;P
[9:16] <dr_willis> heh they got a html file
[9:16] <Jck_true> huh?
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[9:18] <dr_willis> http://furyfi.re/raspberrypi/accessories.html
[9:19] <dr_willis> not sure what/how they are plugging in that.. USB 2.0 Mini 5 Pin to A Male Power Y-Cable (62-CM)
[9:20] <dr_willis> Plug one into your RaspberryPi and one into an extra USB wall adapter and you should have enough power to drive a WiFi adapter/USB harddrive/CD drive. This will save you from using a powered USB hub.
[9:20] <dr_willis> so.. its feeding power INTO the pi throught the USB port, or sort of alongside it to a USB hub?
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[9:22] <dr_willis> one end is special i guess and you dont want to get them backwards. ;) actually I do thinki have one of those cables.. similer to the ones you get with Portable USB hds i belive.
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[9:22] <dr_willis> some of those took 2 usb ports ages ago
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[9:24] <dr_willis> bed time. Night all
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[9:59] <herdingcat> any idea? http://fpaste.org/UO7f/
[10:05] <gordonDrogon> looks like a page of compiler warnings & errors to me ...
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[10:18] <Xark> I concur... here is the first "real problem" /home/huli/Projects/rpi-3.6.y/arch/arm/include/asm/glue-df.h:99:2: error: #error Unknown data abort handler type Perhaps caused by the other undefined symbols (even though those are warnings...)?
[10:19] <herdingcat> Xark, huh?
[10:20] <Xark> herdingcat: Something ain't right. :)
[10:20] <herdingcat> Xark, I just use ct-ng and I don't know the difference between bin/arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi-gcc and arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi/bin/gcc
[10:20] <herdingcat> Xark, what's the difference?
[10:20] <Xark> herdingcat: Like configuration or a missing prerequisite (but I am guessing).
[10:21] <Gordio> f**k Raspberry PI use so many buffer size for audio >_<
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[10:21] <Xark> herdingcat: I am sorry, I don't know exactly what is causing your issue.
[10:22] <herdingcat> Xark, no problem
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[10:24] <Jck_true> Gordio: I lost my senses during the christmas days and ordered a VS1003 board (SPI Amplifier and audio decoder)
[10:24] <Macer> according to the IRS... illegal kickbacks and bribes can not be deducted on your itemized tax filing
[10:24] <Macer> go figure
[10:26] <Xark> Macer: It probably doesn't apply to congress. :)
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[10:29] <cdan> good morning
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[10:40] <Macer> Xark: lol.. like obamacare?
[10:42] <Gordio> cdan, gdm
[10:42] <Jck_true> Macer: I'm sorta glad you don't have a free healthcare system in the US - I mean - Just see all the conspiracies about Obamacare :D
[10:43] <Macer> Jck_true: lol.. .well... i hate to say it but when it goes into effect.. it is going to ruin us
[10:43] <Macer> i don't think it kicks in full force until 2014
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[10:44] <Macer> i'm not a big fan of rewarding failure
[10:44] <Macer> this is the US.. we're supposed to be arrogant and greedy :) what has become of my country?
[10:44] <Jck_true> We've had free healthcare - Seems to work :P But yeah - I b gotta avoid talking politicts just ends in a communist rant from me :)
[10:45] <Macer> a lot of nations do.. and that is why our politicians assume it will work
[10:46] <Macer> although i don't think ours is free... they kind of twisted the wording around to avoid that .. but in the end it will be just another giveaway program :)
[10:46] <Jck_true> Macer: Don't forget being a hypocrit... Land of the "free"
[10:46] <Macer> yeah.. that too
[10:46] <Macer> sorry... we usually forget that one :)
[10:46] <Macer> (See Arrogance)
[10:47] <Macer> in the end though obamacare will be just another federal money pit
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> solar is getting cheap
[10:47] <Macer> like everything else it runs
[10:47] <Jck_true> Gods Own Land... Seriously how big a nutcase you have to be to claim that with a straight face?
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solar-PV-panel-220w-poly-BP-SunOasis-MCS-approved-going-cheap-200-available-/321052177388?pt=UK_WSJL_Wholesale_GL&hash=item4ac03373ec
[10:47] <SpeedEvil> 4.4kw, 2000quid
[10:48] <Jck_true> SpeedEvil: Just need installation and the inverter :)
[10:48] <Macer> SpeedEvil: i'm sure those are reat for areas where the sun always shines heh
[10:48] <Macer> great
[10:48] <SpeedEvil> Macer: well...
[10:48] <SpeedEvil> Macer: it depends.
[10:48] <Macer> i'm in chicago.. maybe i can attach a giant wind turnbine to the roof of my home as well
[10:48] <SpeedEvil> if you can grid tie, and net export, they work at that price pretty much anywhere
[10:49] <Macer> i would think in the north transmission would be an issue
[10:49] <Jck_true> Macer: Well the danish goverment made a law that the electrical companies are forced to buy the electricty from solar panels at the market price for the next 20 years. That means everybody here in denmark jumped on the solar panel wagon
[10:49] <Macer> we can't transmit power from nevada to IL ;)
[10:49] <Jck_true> Which is a complete waste compared to installing thoose panels somewhere the sun actually shines...
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> in Scotland, for example, if I could net export, those would pay back in about 6 years
[10:49] <Macer> well.. we could but i doubt it would be viable
[10:50] <SpeedEvil> even witrh no subsidy
[10:50] <Jck_true> Macer: Uhm why not? It's call the power grid
[10:50] <Jck_true> 400 000 V :)
[10:50] <Macer> Jck_true: LOL... too much power lost in transmission
[10:50] <SpeedEvil> politics is the problem
[10:51] <Macer> SpeedEvil: you mean lobbyists
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[10:51] <Macer> i don't understand why homes don't have their own generators
[10:51] <SpeedEvil> you're reliant on other countries not to screw with your transmission lines
[10:51] <Macer> i guess steam is loud
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[10:51] <SpeedEvil> Macer: because large generators can exceed twice the efficiency of small ones
[10:52] <Macer> SpeedEvil: i don't think anybody cares about efficiency as an end user ;)
[10:52] <Macer> but i get your point
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> of course they do.
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> fuel price.
[10:52] <Macer> not with natural gas prices being dirt low
[10:52] <Macer> and most homes have a natural gas line running to their home
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> you're not in the UK, are you.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> energy prices here are stupidly high )-:
[10:53] <Macer> oh.. in the US they're stupidly low heh
[10:53] <SpeedEvil> what is the price per kWh of natural gas?
[10:53] <Macer> honestly not sure
[10:53] <SpeedEvil> now, multiply by 4 to get the cost of running a generator
[10:54] <SpeedEvil> and that neglects maintainance
[10:54] <Macer> most homes here do not use natural gas .. we have coal and radioactive here
[10:54] <SpeedEvil> and capital costs
[10:54] <Macer> SpeedEvil: well... i'm assuming a home would have a natural gas ice generator
[10:54] <Macer> with an alternator type of contraption
[10:54] <Jck_true> I always wanted a nuclear reactor in my basement....
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[10:55] <Macer> i don't know.. if you had a larger house based one somewhere they might not be too loud :)
[10:55] <SpeedEvil> sure. you need four times the gas energy of electricity
[10:55] <SpeedEvil> and large natural gas power stations use half the fuel.
[10:55] <Macer> SpeedEvil: i can honestly not say
[10:55] <Jck_true> Gas lines to private homes here in denmark was scraped in the 60's
[10:56] <Macer> SpeedEvil: offset it with the solar panels ;)
[10:56] <Macer> Jck_true: oh.. in chicago every home has a gas line
[10:56] <Jck_true> The biggest step I would like to see today is a 24/12/5V power grid in private homes
[10:56] <Macer> but i'm guessing that is mostly due to the fact that the street lights used to be gas powered
[10:56] <SpeedEvil> solar at night has obvious problems
[10:57] <Jck_true> Get rid of cheap china made PSU that waste 75% energy
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> Jck_true: 48v probably would make some sense
[10:57] <Macer> SpeedEvil: i thought most homes which use solar panels use giant batteries
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> Macer: nope
[10:57] <nid0> Macer: some do, most dont in the uk at least
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[10:57] <SpeedEvil> off grid is murderously expensive
[10:57] <Macer> wow... then what is the point? :)
[10:57] <Jck_true> Macer: No they don't - They transmit the power back to the grid
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[10:57] <SpeedEvil> $.25/kWh or so
[10:57] <nid0> you have either a solar battery system, or a solar hook-it-up-to-the-mains-and-meter con-the-taxpayer-hideously system
[10:57] <Jck_true> Macer: They actually sell it
[10:58] <nid0> most have the latter
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> Macer: some places you can't get grid
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[10:58] <nid0> hence the reason our electricity prices are so absurd
[10:58] <Macer> nid0: lol
[10:59] <Macer> i don't know.. to me offsetting a battery system with natural gas fed generator and solar panels seems kind of cool
[10:59] <Jck_true> And the grid suffers - The electrical companies needs to handle production within a wide range... Is it sunny and windy today? Well we only need to start one generator
[10:59] <Macer> but yeah i guess a bit more expensive than being completely off the grid
[10:59] <nid0> the whole system is a con, people who can afford the hardware cost of a solar system get to sell the energy it produces back to the grid for a hugely inflated price, the grid gets no benefit whatsoever from it as it still has to have enough generation capacity to cover when its dark, and everyone else using electricity gets to pay for it.
[10:59] <Jck_true> Is it rainy and no wind we need to start every generator we have
[11:00] <Macer> wow... sounds like a huge flux in pricing
[11:00] <Macer> do they base it on an avg or month to month?
[11:00] <nid0> no, the sale price of privately generated solar power back to the grid is fixed for like 25 years
[11:00] <Macer> i'm talking about the consumer end
[11:01] <Macer> the people who don't sell
[11:01] <nid0> pricing is averaged, unit tarrifs typically change maybe every year or so
[11:01] <Jck_true> On the international market energy is traded by the second -
[11:01] <Weaselweb> Macer: afaik at least in germany end users have to sell
[11:02] <Macer> Weaselweb: yeah.. sounds like a con game to me
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[11:02] <Macer> i hope germany makes the panels heh
[11:02] <Jck_true> We suffer under the wind turbines now - Because it's green energy the owners have to get paid for the energy they sell at the fixed price - But when there's enough wind at night there's a surplus production in denmark- Which means we have to sell
[11:03] <Jck_true> And at sometimes that even means PAYING to get rid of the surplus
[11:03] * Tachyon` blinks
[11:03] <Macer> wow lol
[11:03] <megaproxy> how do i get pi to auto log into desktop
[11:03] <megaproxy> then open a browser..
[11:03] <Jck_true> megaproxy: raspi-config
[11:03] <megaproxy> that gets the desktop going
[11:04] <Macer> .xinitrc to start a browser maybe?
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[11:04] <megaproxy> hm
[11:04] <Gordio> megaproxy, what dist you use?
[11:04] <megaproxy> raspian
[11:04] <Jck_true> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8298&p=210611
[11:04] <nid0> with lxde, ~/config/autostart
[11:05] <Macer> oh. figured he wanted it bare.
[11:05] <Macer> like a chromebook :-/
[11:05] <Macer> failbook
[11:05] <megaproxy> "no such file or folder"
[11:06] <Macer> touch ~/config/autostart
[11:06] <Macer> :)
[11:06] <megaproxy> says the same thing
[11:07] <Macer> er... touch is supposed to create it
[11:07] <Macer> don't know tbh.. i need to get it installed on my 3rd pi
[11:07] <Macer> my other ones are running openelec
[11:07] <Macer> i meant to get a new sd today but forgot to grab it :-/ how does best buy justify selling 32GB SDs for like $80
[11:08] <Macer> i also meant to ask... pi = sdhc ... no sdxc?
[11:10] <SubaruSVX> Macer
[11:10] <SubaruSVX> buy them off newegg
[11:10] <SubaruSVX> they're mad cheap
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[11:12] <Jck_true> Just do some speedtest before you buy 50 no name cards :p
[11:13] <Gordio> RPI sloooooow =(
[11:14] <viric> the rpi key is the gpu, but it allows to do only very particular things.
[11:14] <viric> It's like trying to run something in the NES 6502. The videogames are great, but the cpu is damn slow :)
[11:14] <Jck_true> Gordio: Slow compared to what? your 1500USD laptop?
[11:15] <megaproxy> ok so i kinda got it to work using .bashrc
[11:15] <megaproxy> but that is SLOOOOOW at loading it
[11:15] <megaproxy> like, super slow
[11:16] <Jck_true> Launching a webbrowser while the system is still initializing
[11:16] <megaproxy> also only seems to work once i open terminal..
[11:16] <Gordio> Jck_true, ODROID-X2 brst)
[11:17] * Gordio dream using Ras.PI as Desktop... But sloooow =(
[11:18] <Gordio> slow compared with Duron 900
[11:18] <Gordio> But!
[11:18] <Gordio> Ras.PI overclocked to 900MHz cpu, 333 core, 350 sd
[11:19] <Jck_true> I'm having some wet dreams of somehow creating a protocol that lets you "offload" stuff from your main desktop to a raspi connected to nothing but a display and network
[11:19] <Jck_true> Some kind of network controlled signage device
[11:20] <nid0> so... ssh -X?
[11:21] <Gordio> Good usecase "Use Ras.PI as tiny VNC client to PC".
[11:21] <megaproxy> idk wth i have done
[11:21] <megaproxy> but whenever i open terminal, chrome opens
[11:21] <Gordio> Get Wireless keyboard, mouse and wifi. Put Ras.PI to box and move to monito back.
[11:21] <megaproxy> lol
[11:21] <megaproxy> it should be midori!
[11:21] <megaproxy> the hell is going on :|
[11:22] <Jck_true> Well - Working on code on my laptop i wanna take a pdf datasheet - Right click it - Select "Send to Raspi" and it should be loaded on the rasp display showing a small toolbar on the pc that let me change page etc
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[11:22] <Jck_true> I don't know - I'll shut up now - Getting offtopic :)
[11:23] <Gordio> Jck_true, but why you need "this logic"?
[11:23] <Gordio> Better use double monitors :D
[11:23] <Macer> megaproxy: that's because you added it to .bashrc
[11:23] <Macer> which controls how your shell runs
[11:24] <Gordio> In my tinyClient general idea - remove all cables, use only power to monitor.
[11:24] <Macer> for X in order to autostart you would usually run things from .xinitrc... could be different nowadays but at least that is how i remember it
[11:24] <Jck_true> Gordio: From multiple machines - In the living room - Any pc you have with a video file - Just push it to the raspberry and let that decode it for you -
[11:24] <Gordio> And put normal desktop away from person. (low dB)
[11:24] <megaproxy> Macer, but i removed it
[11:24] <Gordio> sorryvery broken english.
[11:24] <megaproxy> and its still doing it
[11:25] <Gordio> megaproxy, how you remove?
[11:25] <Macer> megaproxy: you didn't remove it correclty then? :) check again
[11:25] <megaproxy> i have :(((
[11:25] <megaproxy> searched for chrome, nothing there
[11:25] <megaproxy> hurrr
[11:25] <Macer> no idea then
[11:25] <Jck_true> Gordio: No reason to appologize - Mine is much much worse
[11:25] <megaproxy> :(
[11:25] <frikinz> .config/autostart is the right place
[11:25] <megaproxy> my pi is special
[11:25] <megaproxy> haha
[11:26] <frikinz> http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
[11:27] <megaproxy> ok its stopped loading chrome now..
[11:27] <megaproxy> .desktop
[11:27] <megaproxy> wat
[11:28] <frikinz> I don't have lxde so can't check but there could be a menu item to add application to autostart
[11:29] <alajarvela> eh, i wouldn't do it with lxde
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[11:39] <mpmc> Hey folks, I'm using a 1600x900 monitor with a HDMI -> vga converter and the picture is 1/4 down the screen, I've set the mode for 1600 but the picture still remains the same, any ideas?
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[11:42] <megaproxy> any idea what the option would be called?
[11:44] <Coburn> Guys...
[11:44] <Coburn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bWaFdHKYeQ
[11:44] <Coburn> That's my hands-on video of the ODROID-U2
[11:44] <Coburn> It slaughters the R-Pi
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[11:44] <Coburn> also, HDMI -> VGA is garbage. I'd rather do HDMI -> DVI
[11:45] <mpmc> Coburn: Not everyone has HDMI/DVI monitors.
[11:46] <Coburn> True...
[11:46] <Coburn> mpmc: the reason you're experiencing it is because the converter is missing the correct signal
[11:46] <cliff-hm> mpmc, This is how I resolved my issue, using a HDMI -> DVI cable. It may help you. "Usage of http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video along with editing /boot/config.txt did it markedathome and TAFB. Used the tvservice and edidparser commands to query monitor (along with having my E231W manual downloaded to cross-check). And then within /boot/config.txt edited hdmi_force_hotplug=1 ; hdmi_group=2 ; hdmi_mode=82 - reboot and nice display. "
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[11:54] <EpixP0ison> Ok so this might sound crazy but does anybody have a rough guess on how many lemons it would take to power the RaspberryPI my guess is at around 3500 :/
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[11:55] <xzr> :D
[11:55] <dr_willis> To The Bat WIKI!
[11:55] <dr_willis> ;)
[11:55] <xzr> made me lol
[11:55] <dr_willis> I bet theres some science forum/newsgroup that would tell you
[11:55] <xzr> now people at the office are looking at me funnily
[11:55] <EpixP0ison> what my lemons?
[11:56] <EpixP0ison> maybe
[11:56] <EpixP0ison> even if it is 3500 im still going to do it :)
[11:57] <xzr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_battery
[11:57] <xzr> does that help
[11:57] <EpixP0ison> that would make alot of volts
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[11:57] <EpixP0ison> and nope im already there
[11:57] <EpixP0ison> issue is the pi needs 2.5watts from the usb port
[11:57] <EpixP0ison> the lemon offers only 0.00069999983
[11:57] <xzr> "Currents are more variable, but range up to about 1 mA"
[11:58] <xzr> ah
[11:58] <EpixP0ison> i would have a total of like 3500volts but still only 2.5 watts
[11:58] <xzr> umm
[11:58] <xzr> the voltage/ampage depends on how you connect them togetger
[11:59] <EpixP0ison> true
[11:59] <EpixP0ison> id have to google up on that too
[11:59] <EpixP0ison> for somthing so simple yet so hard :(
[12:00] <EpixP0ison> i was playing portal2 and the glados potato got me thinking :p
[12:00] <xzr> well it's simple electronics, if a lemon has x volts and y amps then it's not too hard to figure out the setup to get the target volts/amps :p
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[12:00] <xzr> just takes a pen and paper!
[12:00] <EpixP0ison> i have no pens though D:
[12:01] <xzr> ^^
[12:01] <EpixP0ison> oh and also takes lemons
[12:01] <EpixP0ison> and zinc and copper and cables
[12:01] <xzr> yes, plenty of lemons
[12:01] <xzr> :P
[12:01] <EpixP0ison> :p
[12:01] <EpixP0ison> i wonder how long it would even run for hmm :/
[12:01] <mpmc> cliff-hm: I've tried those settings and others, the screen is no longer 1/3 way down the screen but it now only outputs 640x480p
[12:01] <EpixP0ison> if it only works for 10 seconds i will be so p***ed
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> it's current limited by the internal resistance - you need to build 'cells' of them in parallel, then series connect the cells for more voltage.
[12:02] <EpixP0ison> i see
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> might be able to power an aruino, but not a Pi (well, not practically)
[12:03] <EpixP0ison> define pratical..... im the one who is about to buy 4000 lemons (to be on the safe side) like next week
[12:03] <xzr> then you calculate the capacity (mAh) of the cells, divide it with the mA of the pi and there you get your running time
[12:03] <EpixP0ison> im not a practical person
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> er, good luck.
[12:03] <xzr> :p
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[12:03] <mpmc> Hmm.. Lemon pi.
[12:04] <cliff-hm> mpmc, I found that page useful for myself. But I do not have lots of prior knowledge to give further advice. I hope something pops out and works for you.
[12:04] <EpixP0ison> gordonDrogon you dont think it would work?
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> if you use magnesium & copper, then you're going to get about 1.5v. At 1mA.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> so you need 4 or 5 'cells'.
[12:04] <mpmc> cliff-hm: No problem, I'll just have to try all settings lol.
[12:04] <EpixP0ison> hmm
[12:04] <EpixP0ison> so not so many lemons?
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> to get 200mA, you need 200 lemons per cell.
[12:04] <neilr> Good thing is, even if it doesn't work, there's plenty of lemon left to make a nice gin&tonic afterwards.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> so 5 cells of 200 lemons is 1000 lemons.
[12:05] <EpixP0ison> hmm gordonDrogon how many lemos do you think i will need then
[12:05] <EpixP0ison> if i do it in cells
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> now factor in the cost of the copper and magnesum....
[12:05] <EpixP0ison> cost is no issue
[12:05] <EpixP0ison> but wattage will be
[12:06] <EpixP0ison> as a lemon make on average 0.00069999983 watts
[12:06] <EpixP0ison> 2.5watts is needed to power a standered usb socket
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> you may be confisung power an energy.
[12:06] <EpixP0ison> so about 3500 lemons for 2.5 watts
[12:06] <EpixP0ison> no just watts :p
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> watts is a measure of energy over time.
[12:07] <EpixP0ison> correct
[12:07] <EpixP0ison> By multiplying the the average amps of a lemon (0.001A/ 1mA) by the average (lowest) volts of a lemon (0.7V) we can conclude that it would take approximately 6,171,430 lemons to give us the power of an average 4320W car battery.
[12:07] <EpixP0ison> 4320 / 6171430 = 0.00069999983
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> the big issue is how long a lemon will produce energy at 1mA for. I suspect not very long is the answer.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> So you might be able to boot the Pi, but that might be about it.
[12:08] <EpixP0ison> well consdifering there will be alot of lemons the amps will add up :)
[12:09] <EpixP0ison> somehow....
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> so if you made a 1000-lemon battery and it lasted 30 seconds, then make another 3 and parallel them and it might last 2 minutes...
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[12:09] <xzr> "bought 10000 lemons, ran pi for 5 minutes, *puts on sunglasses*"
[12:09] <xzr> :D
[12:09] <EpixP0ison> hmm but the wattage wouldnt be enuough at only 1000 lemons
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> on paper, probably.
[12:10] <Davespice> omg, is someone going to try and make a leomon powered Pi? =)
[12:10] <Maqs> you could, of course, try to set a new world record.
[12:10] <EpixP0ison> yes i am :p
[12:10] <Xark> xzr: Just sell lemonade then buy a "real" battery. :)
[12:10] <EpixP0ison> lmfao
[12:11] <Davespice> that's awesome!! =)
[12:11] <EpixP0ison> so does anybody concor that i will need around 3500 lemons?
[12:11] <EpixP0ison> to get the wattage up to 2.5 watt
[12:11] <cliff-hm> would usage of grapefruit change things.. or other citrus fruits, limes, oranges.
[12:11] <Davespice> I've been thinking about trying to run one from a Mamod or Wilesco model steam engine, should be possible :)
[12:11] <megaproxy> anyone have a good guide on getting x11vnc to work?
[12:11] <megaproxy> it wont save my password, and wont let anything connect to it..
[12:11] <EpixP0ison> cliff-hm i think lemons have the most power
[12:12] <Coburn> GlaDOS runs off a potato at 1.2V
[12:12] <cliff-hm> as a theoretical exercise though. :)
[12:12] <EpixP0ison> :p
[12:12] <EpixP0ison> Coburn i need 5 volts thouh
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[12:12] <EpixP0ison> plus we dont live a ilogical world
[12:13] <Coburn> tried a solar panel -> downstep adapter -> r-pi setup?
[12:13] <Coburn> I use that for my stuff
[12:13] <EpixP0ison> unless glados is like..... the raspberrypi 10....
[12:13] <Coburn> Ever played portal?
[12:13] <Xark> See if you can get sponsorship from Lemon-fresh Pledge or maybe the state of Florida or Sunkist. :)
[12:13] <EpixP0ison> the future of raspberry
[12:14] <frikinz> megaproxy: x11vnc from which distro? normally x11vnc -usepw
[12:14] <EpixP0ison> have i ever played portal..... it was me who said glados ran of a potato
[12:14] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:14] <EpixP0ison> plus potal2 is still open on my pc atm
[12:14] <EpixP0ison> future pi can run of lemons no problem
[12:15] <frikinz> But who's going to connect all the lemons? you? :)
[12:15] <EpixP0ison> il get a load of freinds over
[12:15] <Davespice> I think the challenge is how you're going to reliably connect the lemons together yeah
[12:15] <EpixP0ison> 10 people + 3500 lemons + 1 PI = WIN
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[12:15] <frikinz> yeah loaaaaddds I'd say
[12:16] <EpixP0ison> thats 350 lemons each
[12:16] <Davespice> 3500!
[12:16] <EpixP0ison> yes to reach the 2.5 watt
[12:16] <megaproxy> argh
[12:16] <Davespice> crikey, you'll need an aircraft hanger :)
[12:16] <MalMen> hello
[12:16] <EpixP0ison> lmfao
[12:16] <EpixP0ison> doubt it
[12:16] <MalMen> any good tutorial to install x + vnc and enter remotely on desktop ?
[12:17] <frikinz> Glad I'm not invited to your place to connect 350 lemons :)
[12:17] <Davespice> How much does a lemon cost these days 60p?
[12:17] <Xark> For heavens sake - make sure you do NOT have any paper-cuts! :)
[12:17] <EpixP0ison> 30 seconds x 350 lemons each= 2.91666667 hours
[12:18] <EpixP0ison> not long to setup
[12:18] <Davespice> If a lemon costs 60p, thats ??2100 in Lemons! Holy hell.
[12:18] <EpixP0ison> i could get a wholesale price
[12:18] <EpixP0ison> :p
[12:18] <Davespice> I wonder if you could get giat genetically modified lemons? So you might then need less of them? =)
[12:18] <Davespice> giant*
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[12:18] <EpixP0ison> hmm#
[12:19] <megaproxy> rfbsendframebufferupdate failed
[12:19] <megaproxy> :(
[12:19] <EpixP0ison> gm for extra wattage maybe
[12:19] <EpixP0ison> il phone a gm farm and ask if they can pump more watts into the lemons
[12:19] <neilr> or modified to make them cube shaped - easier to stack into cells
[12:19] <Davespice> or do a combination of lemons and potatos?
[12:19] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:19] <Davespice> neilr: haha cool :)
[12:19] <EpixP0ison> i think...... im going to do this
[12:20] <EpixP0ison> just for the sheer epicness
[12:20] <neilr> Well, if you're anywhere near Cambridge do give me a shout, and I'll come and help
[12:20] <Davespice> you'll be a lengend if you pull it off, the BBC will probably want to cover it
[12:20] <EpixP0ison> southampton :p
[12:20] <EpixP0ison> miles away bro
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> You'd be better off building a genrator powered by gravity and manually load the lemons into the hopper at the top. Have something like a waterwheel powered by the weight of lemons.
[12:20] <neilr> lemonwheel?
[12:21] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Haha :)
[12:21] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> and stop confusing energy with power - a battery doesn't have "watts".
[12:21] * Xark links http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cave-johnson-lemons.jpg?cb5e28
[12:21] <EpixP0ison> it dosnt
[12:21] <EpixP0ison> :/
[12:21] <EpixP0ison> everything has watts
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> Watt was the Scotmans name.
[12:22] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:23] <EpixP0ison> v battery has 5.4W-hr energy
[12:23] <EpixP0ison> 9*
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> watt-hour ... that's a measure of energy.
[12:23] <EpixP0ison> yeh of watts
[12:23] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:23] <EpixP0ison> meaning i could get 5.4 watts for 1 hour
[12:23] <megaproxy> x11vnc has a gui :|
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> at a certian rate of amps.
[12:24] <EpixP0ison> yeh
[12:24] <EpixP0ison> but with 3500 lemons i think the amps should be ok.... iff not i shall boost them
[12:24] <xzr> this kinda calls for a lemonparty
[12:24] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:25] <EpixP0ison> i doubt the bbs would come :p
[12:25] <EpixP0ison> bbc*
[12:25] <EpixP0ison> they wouldnt even know
[12:25] <EpixP0ison> top secret :)
[12:26] <EpixP0ison> volt*amp=watt
[12:26] <EpixP0ison> hmm
[12:27] <EpixP0ison> so this has confused me
[12:27] <EpixP0ison> if i had 1000 lemons id have 1 amp and about 1000 volts
[12:27] <EpixP0ison> so 1000 x 1 = 100 watts
[12:27] <EpixP0ison> 1000*
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[12:28] <SubaruSVX> what's the best OS for RPi
[12:28] <Coburn> Debian
[12:28] <SubaruSVX> if you're giving it to a novice user?
[12:28] <SubaruSVX> twist
[12:28] <SubaruSVX> :D
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> you only use/produce watts when you're using/producing them.
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> a static battery connected to nothing has potential, but no watts.
[12:29] <EpixP0ison> hmm
[12:29] <SubaruSVX> i'd like to be able to sell them to people
[12:29] <SubaruSVX> that get viruses
[12:29] <EpixP0ison> so my ooriginal wattage was right then
[12:29] <SubaruSVX> and the like
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> the amount of watts it can provide is a fucntion of the voltage and current.
[12:29] <EpixP0ison> and like 0.0000699
[12:29] <EpixP0ison> so i will need around 3500 lemons
[12:29] <EpixP0ison> hmm this is a pain
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> it's only a pain as you keep confusing energy with power.
[12:30] <EpixP0ison> it's only a pain because im inpractical
[12:30] <EpixP0ison> :p
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[12:31] <EpixP0ison> what normal person would think about powering there pi with 3500 lemons
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> why not get one lemon, a wire-wound 1000 ohm variable resistor, a voltmeter and an ammeter and try it for yourself?
[12:31] <dr_willis> a Lemon farmer.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> (and a copper and magnesium strip)
[12:31] <dr_willis> 'The Lemonator!'
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[12:31] <EpixP0ison> gordonDrogon you think that would make enough to power the pi?
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> no, it would make enough power to start your calculations.
[12:32] <EpixP0ison> oh
[12:32] <EpixP0ison> :p
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> then take the batteries out of the multimeters and power the Pi.
[12:32] <EpixP0ison> lmfao
[12:32] <atouk> saying a lemon has watts is like saying a parked ferarri has 200 mpi.
[12:32] <atouk> (mph)
[12:33] <EpixP0ison> but it does
[12:33] <EpixP0ison> just a minisclue amount
[12:33] <dr_willis> (about one milliamp)
[12:33] <EpixP0ison> 0.00069999983
[12:33] <dr_willis> (1.5 volts with two lemons),
[12:33] <EpixP0ison> extimated of cource
[12:33] <EpixP0ison> course*
[12:33] <EpixP0ison> varying on the lemon ect
[12:33] <dr_willis> http://www.bluffton.edu/~bergerd/chem/food_batteries.html
[12:35] <atouk> odd though. that if you used pennies for the lemon batteries, you'd need 3500 of them. the same price as a pi
[12:35] <EpixP0ison> lol coinsidance
[12:35] <EpixP0ison> i think not
[12:36] <atouk> and everyone knows that it's the pennies that have the watts, not the lemons
[12:36] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:37] <EpixP0ison> http://www.kentartspace.co.uk/penny-watts
[12:37] <EpixP0ison> random link
[12:37] <EpixP0ison> :p
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> atouk: I will purchase 3500 of your lemons at that price
[12:40] <EpixP0ison> well i can get lemons for $0.1 a peice
[12:40] <EpixP0ison> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/639369530/Real_Look_Artificial_Lemon_Supplier.html
[12:40] * SpeedEvil wonders what he'd do with 3500 lemons.
[12:40] <EpixP0ison> min of 500
[12:40] <EpixP0ison> ohwait
[12:40] <dr_willis> throw them on the highway! ;)
[12:40] <EpixP0ison> facepalm
[12:40] <EpixP0ison> Real Look Artificial Lemon Supplier
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[12:41] <DarkTherapy> greetings all
[12:41] <dr_willis> ;) i thought you were going to fill them with lemon juice
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[12:42] <Jck_true> Lemons? Build a battery!
[12:42] <Datalink> I'd slap a copper and zinc electrode off them and add a battery
[12:42] <Datalink> just for laughs
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[12:43] <Datalink> "watch me run my pi from a lemon!" (shaped 5 volt battery)
[12:43] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:44] <Datalink> you missed my suggesting we get those fake lemons and stuffing batteries in them "P
[12:44] <Datalink> :P
[12:44] <EpixP0ison> lmfao
[12:44] <EpixP0ison> never
[12:44] <Gordio> xD
[12:44] <Gordio> )))))))))
[12:44] <Gordio> T_T
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[12:44] <Gordio> Datalink, you post video on YouTube? :D
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I still think the lemon-fall is the best way. Then it's partially human powered too.
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[12:45] <EpixP0ison> whats cooler
[12:45] <EpixP0ison> 3500 lemons
[12:45] <EpixP0ison> or a gravity powered generator
[12:45] <Datalink> Gordio, I... not as Datalink, no
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[12:46] * EpixP0ison throws a lemon at gordonDrogon dont be so anti lemon
[12:46] * Datalink hasn't done the fake lemon battery, was just thinking it
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[12:47] * EpixP0ison throws a lemon at Datalink thats cheating
[12:48] <Datalink> you're the second lemon obsessed person I've met online in the past few months
[12:48] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:49] <EpixP0ison> i just thought about how many lemons it would take to power my pc
[12:49] <EpixP0ison> if 1 lemon has 0.00069999983 watts how many lemons for 1250 watts D:
[12:49] <Datalink> they provide what, 1.1 volts per?
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[12:49] <EpixP0ison> im gussing at 0.7
[12:49] <EpixP0ison> as the lowest average
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[12:49] <EpixP0ison> according to wiki
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[12:52] <Datalink> 34 for the -12/+12 rails, 7 for +5 volt rail, 5 for the +3.3v... parallel sets of these, to make needed amperage, it wouldn't be the most clean ATX supply possible
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[12:53] <EpixP0ison> but what about wattages
[12:53] <DarkTherapy> who's gonna be the first with Lemon Pi
[12:53] <EpixP0ison> me lol
[12:53] <EpixP0ison> im doing it next week
[12:54] <DarkTherapy> :)
[12:54] <Datalink> watts are part of Ohm's Law calculations, it's merely a lazy way to consider volts and amps
[12:55] <DarkTherapy> anyone from the UK here that requires a GoProHD camera before I put it on eBay?
[12:55] <Datalink> a pi could run on 7 lemons but... make sure to match the lemons so you get as close to 5 volts as you can
[12:55] <Coburn> how long is the runtime of a lemon?
[12:56] <EpixP0ison> Datalink id use a regulator
[12:56] <DarkTherapy> potato resistors
[12:57] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:57] <Datalink> EpixP0ison, then add 2 lemons to keep above the regulator's threshold
[12:57] <EpixP0ison> so you think as long as i get the amps and voltage right
[12:57] <EpixP0ison> the watts wotn matter
[12:57] <Coburn> you're missing the vital question
[12:57] <Coburn> runtime
[12:57] <EpixP0ison> lol
[12:57] <Coburn> how much is it to replace lemons
[12:57] <EpixP0ison> well if i get it spot on with voltages
[12:57] <EpixP0ison> id say a hour.....
[12:57] <Coburn> and electrodes
[12:58] <Coburn> pfffft
[12:58] <DarkTherapy> you can safely leave a lemon switched on for hours
[12:58] <EpixP0ison> lmfao
[12:58] <DarkTherapy> never seen one overheat
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[12:58] <Coburn> how can you switch on a lemon
[12:58] <EpixP0ison> lmfao
[12:58] <Datalink> I'm not familiar with the mAh rating of a lemon, sorry
[12:58] <Coburn> (I get the joke)
[12:58] <EpixP0ison> OMG overheating lemons
[12:58] <Coburn> LEMON BOMB
[12:58] <EpixP0ison> well if the pi runs for a hour
[12:58] <Datalink> this is turning into a line from Cave Johnson...
[12:58] <EpixP0ison> thats 10lph
[12:59] <EpixP0ison> just to be safe
[12:59] <Coburn> aim for the head, watch the result
[12:59] <EpixP0ison> so if i get 100 lemons thats 10 hours
[12:59] <Coburn> I'd rather hook up a whole lemon tree to get my power
[12:59] <Coburn> or an orchaid
[12:59] <EpixP0ison> ora battery
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[13:00] <dr_willis> Hmm. If you power up a Pi. with no HDMI or COmposit plugged in. then Plug in a HDMI later.. does it auto-detect/turn on HDMI for you guys?
[13:00] <Datalink> trees do create a bit of electricity, people have created tree based energy harvesters for forest fire monitoring equipment
[13:00] <Coburn> dr_willis: yes
[13:01] <Datalink> dr_willis, it only detects HDMI on powerup, I think you can switch on HDMI with a service in Rasbian but I don't know the mechanics myself
[13:01] <Datalink> apparently my data is lacking
[13:01] <Coburn> in OpenELEC for R-Pi, I could hotplug my monitor
[13:01] <Coburn> via hdmi
[13:01] <dr_willis> Ok. been switching out cables and stuff.. and it just seems that if i power up with no HDMI plugged in. i have to reboot.
[13:01] <dr_willis> on normal rasbian here at the moment.
[13:02] <dr_willis> It could be ive seen it work with Openelec or xbian.. which is why im confused
[13:02] <Datalink> I have to do that in rasbian, too, if HDMI is plugged in on boot, it'll stay on
[13:02] <dr_willis> I just happened to power on with no video at all plugged in.
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[13:02] <dr_willis> plugging in hdmi after bootup. did not detect the monitor
[13:04] <Datalink> if HDMI was plugged in on boot, it can be unplugged and replugged while Pi is on, however yeah, Rasbian detects HDMI state in boot
[13:04] <mpmc> Is there a meaning to the different (colours are different) rainbow test screens on boot?
[13:04] <dr_willis> been looking for HDMI PC monitors with speakers also.. cant seem to find those these days. ;( bought one ages ago.
[13:04] <dr_willis> i rarely ever see that rainbow square. ;) must be how things are booting.. or i blink
[13:05] <mpmc> I don't see it that often, only when raspbmc fails to randomly boot.
[13:05] <Datalink> mine stopped showing the rainbow square after an old firmware update
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[13:06] <Coburn> I think it's just a dummy image saying the R-Pi is up
[13:06] <dr_willis> I think i noticed the rainbow on Openelec. on the wifes tv.. she said whats taht funny square ;)
[13:06] <dr_willis> id never noticed it on my PC monitor
[13:06] <Coburn> since the GPU does kickstart the ARM
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[13:06] <Coburn> possibly too slow monitor dr_willis
[13:06] <mpmc> Updated raspbmc and now it wont boot!
[13:06] <Coburn> I get it on mine
[13:06] <dr_willis> I tend to plug in the pi.. then turn on th emonitor also
[13:07] <Coburn> Raspbmc... meh... just use DarkELEC
[13:07] <Coburn> which is a R-Pi optimized version of the OpenELEC
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[13:15] <dr_willis> Ive had better luck with xbian. but the wife has managed to break everything
[13:15] <dr_willis> ;P
[13:16] <dr_willis> Been playing with the XIOS i got over the weekend for her.. it has.. issues. ;)
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[13:48] <Crenn-NAS> https://twitter.com/crennsmind/status/288264913544163328/photo/1 :D
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, is that on an arduino?
[13:51] <Shamu2> how do i safely exit an ssh session?
[13:51] <Shamu2> is there a safe disconnect command
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> Shamu2, type 'exit' or press Control-D
[13:51] <Shamu2> thx
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> if all else fails, <enter> twiddle dot (ie. ~.)
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[13:52] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Leaflabs Maple
[13:52] <Crenn-NAS> 72MHz Cortex-M3 ARM
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> is it an SPI display?
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[13:53] <Crenn-NAS> Nope, 16-bit parallel
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> ok
[13:53] <Crenn-NAS> But I have an MCP23S18 for the datalines
[13:53] <Crenn-NAS> Aka SPI 16-bit port expander
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> ah, right. so the arm board talks spi to it.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> yea, familiar with it - it's what the PiFace uses.
[13:54] <Crenn-NAS> I could actually just hook this up to the RPi
[13:54] <megaproxy> guys, quick question again
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> you could.
[13:54] <megaproxy> how do i stop the pi blacking the screen out
[13:54] <megaproxy> screen saver or w.e it is
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> keep typing.
[13:54] <Crenn-NAS> It should have enough GPIO
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, just use spi..
[13:55] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I'd still need GPIO for other pins
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> megaproxy, it's debian, therefore /etc/kbd/config is where you look...
[13:56] <megaproxy> ta :)
[13:56] <Crenn-NAS> Aka, RD, CS, etc (And by CS, I don't mean for the port expander)
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, well ,you can get 17 GPIOs out of the Pi...
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> plus 4 more on a Rev 2 ...
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> so you could use the 16-bit interface directly.
[13:57] <Crenn-NAS> No I couldn't
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> no?
[13:57] <Crenn-NAS> 16-bit data, another 5 at least for the other signals
[13:57] <Crenn-NAS> And I don't have a Rev 2
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> stick to the spi way then.
[13:58] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> seen this though: http://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade&page=2
[13:59] <Crenn-NAS> I don't think I have, I might do so soon enough
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[14:02] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: If you're curious: http://pastebin.com/y2KHcfzZ
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> there's also someone sending data to a tiny lcd via spi and using it with a software framebuffer on the Pi.
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> I did a mandelbrot in BASIC a while back.
[14:03] <Crenn-NAS> I've been thinking of doing something similar
[14:04] <Crenn-NAS> How'd it go?
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/mandel.rtb
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> takes about 15 seconds on a Pi with a 640x480 display.
[14:04] <dr_willis> the good old days. :)
[14:05] <dr_willis> playing with Mandelbrots and that life game. ;)
[14:05] <Crenn-NAS> armhf?
[14:05] <Shamu2> im trying to configure mpd to connect to my smb share
[14:05] <Shamu2> what should I use for music_directory in mpd.conf?
[14:05] <Shamu2> music is on an external HD on my windows computer, SMB share
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> yea, under raspbian.
[14:05] <frikinz> Shamu2: is the share mounted?
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm about to do a C version just for fun for another project.
[14:06] <Shamu2> not sure. FrankZZ
[14:06] <Shamu2> frikinz,
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> my basic is some 30-300 times slower than C, so that should be good on the Pi.
[14:06] <FrankZZ> .
[14:06] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I see you're also saving time with saving half of the results
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, yea, that's only good for the initial set!
[14:06] <frikinz> Shamu2: is that raspbian?
[14:06] <Shamu2> yes
[14:07] <frikinz> Shamu2: I gave you the line yesterday to automount your windows share to your local raspbian system
[14:07] <Crenn-NAS> I which I could do that for this... not sure it would fit into the ram long enough for it to work
[14:07] <Shamu2> yes, frikinz, what was it again
[14:08] <frikinz> //server/share /mnt/share cifs auto,workgroup=WORKGROUP,user=superman,password=s3cr3t,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/mandel.bmp
[14:08] <Shamu2> where do i add that
[14:08] <frikinz> Shamu2: you have to put a line like this in /etc/fstab
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I cheated and ran it on my workstation rather than a Pi :)
[14:09] <Shamu2> that line exactly?
[14:09] <Shamu2> at the bottom of the commented lines in fstab?
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[14:10] <frikinz> Shamu2: yes, on a new line. also put the correct values for share, user, ..
[14:10] <Shamu2> hmm
[14:11] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah, too much ram would be taken up, and it would be annoying to have to go back and forth on the screen but would save calculation time which is slower.... hmmm....
[14:11] <Shamu2> what would the file path be
[14:11] <Shamu2> I:\Music
[14:11] <Shamu2> ?
[14:11] <Shamu2> instead of mnt/share
[14:11] <Shamu2> ?
[14:11] <frikinz> Shamu2: no, keep /mnt/share intact. that will be where, on your raspbian you can find your windows ahre
[14:11] <Weaselweb> don't confuse share name with mount point
[14:12] <frikinz> coffee time for me. brb
[14:12] <Shamu2> ok
[14:12] <Shamu2> i just changed username and password
[14:14] <Shamu2> :\
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[14:22] <dr_willis> :()
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[14:26] <frikinz> Shamu2: well, you have replace also "server/share" by your server name (or ip) and share name.. eg //
[14:28] <dr_willis> hope you dont have spaces in the sharename either.. that can get ugly
[14:28] <steve_rox> never did figure out file shareing on the pi , i had to put a ftp server on it insted
[14:29] <dr_willis> i tend to use ssh/sshfs :)
[14:29] <dr_willis> sambas not that hard to setup. if you take the time to read the docs on it.
[14:29] <dr_willis> and sometimes it even works!
[14:29] <frikinz> //\040share would be a space in octal
[14:30] <steve_rox> i can make my pi connect to shares
[14:30] <dr_willis> yep - that \040 trick really really confuses a lot of peoples.
[14:30] <steve_rox> windows sees the pi on the share lists but i have no idea how to define usernames and pwds
[14:30] <dr_willis> They try a dozen other ways to quote/escape the space.
[14:30] <frikinz> 4*8=32 which is ascii code for space
[14:30] <Shamu2> hmm
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[14:33] <frikinz> Shamu2: so, did you put the proper line? you'll need to create once the /mnt/share on the pi: mkdir /mnt/share
[14:33] <frikinz> then to try mounting: sudo mount /mnt/share
[14:34] <Shamu2> ill have to continue later, work calls me
[14:34] <steve_rox> handy haveing the pi mounted on a share since it can download files and just dump em there rather than filling the sd
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[14:39] <steve_rox> pi has a mind of its own on dgen emulator , one day it has sound the next it does not
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[14:58] <TeraX> Hi Fanboys (and girls)
[14:59] * mpmc hates the use of fan<sex>.
[15:02] <TeraX> It's like Brussels sprouts. Some some people like it the other hate it :)
[15:03] <mpmc> I like Brussels
[15:04] <herdingcat> hi all, I have compiled my own toolchain for ARM by using crosstool-ng and I gonna compile kernel for rpi. But I encounter following error: http://fpaste.org/mrhY/
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[15:13] <Hodapp> mpmc: I prefer "congresscritter" to congressman/woman.
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[15:15] <Macer> seriously google? you just noticed?... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/technology/ad-blocking-raises-alarm-among-firms-like-google.html
[15:15] <Macer> heh
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[15:16] <Adya> Hello
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[15:17] <Adya> Have anyone been using CM7 android on pi? It's annoying. Veryslow
[15:17] <dr_willis> I dident think there was much hardware acceleration yet under android on the pi.
[15:17] <TAFB> no andriod except the broadcom one supports GPU accelleration and will be very very slow. Broadcom have not release their version yet.
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[15:17] <Adya> I read, that broadcom is going to release....
[15:18] <Adya> When?
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[15:18] <TAFB> they said it would be ready for release 6 months ago :(
[15:18] <Adya> (
[15:19] <dr_willis> they are still gettting ready. ;)
[15:20] <TAFB> nobody knows :(
[15:20] <Adya> Let's make a petition, shall we?:)
[15:20] <dr_willis> it will be ready when no one cares that its ready. ;)
[15:21] <dr_willis> sort of like how Duke-nukem-forever came out.. ;)
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[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Adya: there are more effective ways than petitions.
[15:26] * SpeedEvil does his documentation-release dance.
[15:26] <Adya> SpeedEvil : what are they?
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[15:27] <xarxer_work> Is it possible to use some low level code to get the model of the board? Preferably in C++
[15:27] <xarxer_work> Maybe read a file containing it?
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[15:27] <Blacklite_> hey guys
[15:27] <Blacklite_> I was playing with raspbian for a while, but I don't really like LXDE, is there a kde distro?
[15:28] <Blacklite_> or should I use Android or PiBang
[15:28] <neilr> Have you tried XFCE?
[15:28] <Adya> Blacklite no
[15:29] <dr_willis> I bet any of the desktop guis will be real sluggish at this time
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[15:30] <Perkele> kde is also probably the most resource hungry DE
[15:30] <herdingcat> hi all, I have compiled my own toolchain for ARM by using crosstool-ng and I gonna compile kernel for rpi. But I encounter following error: http://fpaste.org/mrhY/
[15:30] <dr_willis> Im just using jwm on rasbian and its sluggish.. but just running a browser is using 10x resources then the main window manager.
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[15:31] <Perkele> could you run the mobile version of opera or something on the pi?
[15:32] <dr_willis> Im not sure how useable android on the pi is right now.
[15:32] <Blacklite_> just checked, it's not released yet
[15:32] <dr_willis> :)
[15:32] <dr_willis> that answers that i guess..
[15:32] <Blacklite_> neilr: there's an XFCE distro?
[15:33] <dr_willis> using android on my xios arm media-box-gizmo - and its a bit sluggish on that thing.
[15:33] <Blacklite_> it looks really good, the reviews are good.
[15:34] <Blacklite_> is there an xfce or kde hard-float image?
[15:35] <Blacklite_> Personally, Plasma would look really good on the Raspberry Pi
[15:36] <Draylor> oh dear. kde on a pi, that'd be horrendous
[15:37] <xarxer_work> Is there no way of getting the model programatically? :o
[15:38] <Perkele> how about openbox?
[15:38] <Perkele> that's pibang i guess
[15:38] <Blacklite_> kde is the standard in my cluster. I just want my pi to fit in.
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[15:40] <dr_willis> theres some razorqt desktop thats lighter then kde. but from what ive seen.. most any desktop is sluggish compared to what im used to.
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[15:41] <frikinz> xarxer_work: Probably /proc/cpuinfo line revision
[15:41] <genewitch> that's a lot of folks
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[15:41] <frikinz> xarxer_work: not sure about the mapping to rev 1/2 though. discussed on wiki or forums
[15:41] <Blacklite_> meh. Kde on a pentium 4 is what i'm used to. it's not half bad, actually. although i'd rather gnome-shell but my onboard graphics doesn't support it
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[15:42] <Blacklite_> I figure, if I overclock the cpu, then kde should run fine.
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[15:46] <Blacklite_> how is riscos?
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[15:49] <Blacklite_> I'm Normally a fedora or slackware user, what would be most comfortable for me?
[15:50] <Blacklite_> slackware with KDE and Fedora with GNOME-Shell.
[15:50] <Blacklite_> btw
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[15:53] <Blacklite_> baka?
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[16:25] <VictorCL> hi
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[16:35] <dr_willis> Howdy
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[16:51] <frikinz> Very quiet today :)
[16:51] <dr_willis> Yep. Its my day off.
[16:52] <dr_willis> had to take the dog to the vet. ready for bed. gotta love 3rd shift sleep schedules.
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[16:52] <frikinz> Third shift is the vampire one? Working by night?
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[16:53] <dr_willis> Yep. 7 pm to 6 am
[16:53] <dr_willis> only 4 days a week.. but still on the days i do have off. i cant sleep normal hours
[16:56] <dr_willis> had to stay 'up' untill 10:00 to take the dog. :) now i shall sleep till dark. then RISE again!
[16:56] <dr_willis> night
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[16:56] <TAFB> nite nite sleep good n sweet dreams
[16:56] <frikinz> Good night
[16:59] <VictorCL> is there an OS or something for raspberry pi just to play video games?
[17:00] <ShiftPlusOne> sure, any pi linux distro.
[17:00] <chithead> probably he means a turnkey solution like raspbmc/openelec
[17:01] <ShiftPlusOne> I know, but if there was such a thing it would just be raspbian with a few mulators installed.
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[17:01] <ShiftPlusOne> *emulators
[17:02] <yaMatt> it's just a couple of extra packages really
[17:02] <yaMatt> joystick and zsnes or whatever
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[17:03] <chithead> assuming one wants to play yesteryear's console games
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[17:06] <Gordio> I have sound clicks when start play sound.
[17:06] <Gordio> Why and how fix?
[17:07] <ShiftPlusOne> Gordio, this is the analog audio, yeah?
[17:07] <Gordio> Yes.
[17:08] <ShiftPlusOne> There's not "fix" that I know of, but if you're listening to music, some people use crossfade to help with that. I think any time the audio stops/starts it makes a poping noise, just because of the way the audio circuitry is designed. I haven't paid too much attention to it though.
[17:08] <VictorCL> I bought a raspberry pi to use as smartTV , but then now I bough a samsung smartTV and I dont know what to do with raspberry pi ^^
[17:09] <TAFB> give it to kid or friend who wants to learn
[17:09] <VictorCL> no I want to use it for something
[17:09] <VictorCL> maybe play emulators on it
[17:10] <TAFB> make GPIO project with it. robotic arm kit, open your garage door, etc :)
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[17:10] <ShiftPlusOne> You could use it for learning.... perhaps write an opengl es game.
[17:10] <akSeya> hello there :)
[17:10] <frikinz> Yes crossfade is great to remove this cracks
[17:11] <akSeya> folks, anyone running arch in here?
[17:11] <ShiftPlusOne> akSeya, aye
[17:11] <frikinz> for listening music that is
[17:11] <Hodapp> Mess with RISC OS or Plan 9. Play with XBMC. Make an OS in ASM.
[17:11] <TeraX> With an USB Soundcard there is no "click" problem or?
[17:11] <ShiftPlusOne> TeraX, if you can get one to work.
[17:11] <akSeya> ShiftPlusOne, do you have something as raspbian fake-hwclock ?
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[17:12] <Gordio> Hm
[17:12] * Gordio start find USB card :D
[17:12] <TeraX> I hope so, i read in a board 4 typs of soundcards that will run on raspbian
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[17:12] <TeraX> +e
[17:12] <ShiftPlusOne> akSeya, no idea
[17:12] <Gordio> Oh oh! And I see: Man create simple keyboead on china USB soundcard chip :D
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[17:14] <TeraX> Gordio: http://www.forum-raspberrypi.de/Thread-rpi-als-audioplayer-funktioniert-mein-plan?pid=3532#pid3532
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[17:22] <Berazu> Yo, I just installed Raspbmc on my RPi
[17:22] <Berazu> I'm currently trying to watch my SAP streams via XBMC
[17:22] <Berazu> problem is they're not working, it DOES work on windows with VLC though...
[17:22] <Berazu> Any ideas how this can be fixed?
[17:23] <Berazu> I tried installing XBMC on my PC lately too and it didn't seem to work there too
[17:25] <Berazu> I really hope someone can help me further, I'd be really glad.
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[17:39] <pksato> Berazu try to configure multicast on rpi box (or other linux), ip route add dev eth0
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[17:44] <Berazu> @pksato will try that, thanks for your reply
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[17:45] <Berazu> the thing is, the streams are being shown
[17:46] <Berazu> the only issue is that i can't play them
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[17:48] <Berazu> i'm also having this issue on my xbmc on my PC
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[17:55] <Gordio> Wow
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[17:57] <Gordio> RaspberryPI snd module from github now DIE
[17:57] <Gordio> Unable to resolve NULL pointer ... blah blah
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[18:01] <ackthet> Berazu: go check out #xbmc
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[18:07] <Torikun> yo
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[18:08] <yaMatt> bloody hell it's Torikun
[18:08] <Torikun> yaMatt: you come here too? lol
[18:08] <yaMatt> heheh, yup, just occasionally
[18:10] <wchance> My RaspberryPI will not remain up an running for more than a few hours. Bought a heat sink thinking it has to do with the temparature of the cpu.
[18:11] <wchance> using the Raspbian ???wheezy??? 12-16 release
[18:11] <genewitch> wchance: anything in syslog?
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[18:12] <wchance> genewitch I need to look at that
[18:12] <DeliriumTremens> how hot is it running?
[18:12] <Berazu> @ackthet i did, nobody can help me there either...
[18:13] <wchance> DeliriumTremens: is there a way to get the temperature from cli command?
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[18:13] <DeliriumTremens> go to /opt/vc/bin
[18:13] <DeliriumTremens> and do ./vcgencmd measure_temp
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[18:14] <wchance> ok let me boot it up and turn on fan to make sure it stays up
[18:14] <wchance> moment
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[18:14] <DeliriumTremens> i just ordered heat sinks for mine because it's been running hot, but it's never shut off
[18:15] <ShiftPlusOne> DeliriumTremens, what do you mean by running hot, what temp?
[18:16] <DeliriumTremens> well it seems hot
[18:16] <DeliriumTremens> hah
[18:16] <DeliriumTremens> maybe it's not that warm, 62.6C
[18:16] <TAFB> as long as it's under 70c you're good to go
[18:16] <TAFB> it throttle back at 85c :)
[18:16] <DeliriumTremens> that's at idle
[18:16] <ShiftPlusOne> DeliriumTremens, that heatsink is not going to make a bit of difference.
[18:16] <DeliriumTremens> ??\_(???)_/??
[18:16] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[18:17] <DeliriumTremens> it cost next to nothing
[18:17] <ShiftPlusOne> I should start selling racing stripes for the pi
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[18:18] <piney> sign me up for raspberry color stripes (:
[18:22] <wchance> DeliriumTremens: I need to reinstall the OS to the SD because now it stops working within a minute or 2
[18:22] <wchance> fresh start
[18:22] <DeliriumTremens> ShiftPlusOne: they better be yellow
[18:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Any colour you want, rated by speed. 'course the reds and yellow cost more.
[18:24] <piney> maybe if they came from the factory with racing stripes, they would ship faster.
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[18:25] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[18:27] <Davespice> guys, if you think it would be nice to have Ubuntu on the Raspberry Pi, can you go here and vote up my comment? :)
[18:27] <Davespice> http://www.youtube.com/comment?lc=jhCD4f81iVKj0IgoxadZVCaJQIXBbXc2oJsh_WYHLM4
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[18:28] * ShiftPlusOne doesn't like ubuntu but upvoted the comment because it's Davespice. =D
[18:28] <Davespice> hah :) thanks man
[18:29] * IT_Sean is running ubuntu on his thinkpad
[18:30] <Davespice> here is a better link; this one will start the video from the beginning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU&lc=jhCD4f81iVKj0IgoxadZVCaJQIXBbXc2oJsh_WYHLM4
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[18:37] <wchance> DeliriumTremens: 49.8C to 51.9C is the range I am seeing right now
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[18:39] <wchance> I am going to leave it running overnight to see if it stops responding or if temp goes close ot 70c
[18:39] <ShiftPlusOne> the default trip point is 85
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> though there are some people who report that their pi is really sensitive to temperature and hangs before that
[18:40] <wchance> what happens at the trip point of 85? does it stop responding?
[18:40] <ShiftPlusOne> wchance, I don't know, hasn't happened yet. I think it just shuts down.
[18:40] <wchance> ok
[18:41] <IT_Sean> 80C is kinda warm. :p I can't imagine the Pi getting that hot under normal circumstances.
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[18:42] <Hodapp> me neither.
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[18:43] <ShiftPlusOne> idling at 53 right now... going to see how high it gets after an hour of 100% cpu =/
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[18:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Levelled off at 56 already. I guess idle vs pure cpu load doesn't make much of a difference to the temperature.
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[18:58] <IT_Sean> the Pi should not "run hot" is my understanding. I don't have one yet, though, so...
[19:00] <wchance> free install of Wheezy and the system halts within 1 hour CPU temperature was well within normal range
[19:00] <wchance> *fresh
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[19:01] <IT_Sean> that's... odd.
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[19:02] <VictorCL> is there a way for raspberry pi to execute mame ??
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[19:02] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, it should not and I keep telling people that, but I haven't done any tests myself. Also a few people report that aiming a fan at their pi prevents it from hanging.
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[19:05] <melow01> Hi there, I got my raspberry pi just the other day and set it up last night for SSH and its working well! (except for the keyboard)
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[19:05] <melow01> Now I'm at work today, and I plugged into the network but I don't have a monitor to see a display
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[19:06] <melow01> is there a way to discover the device over the network without plugging the pi into a display?
[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> melow01, the default hostname is raspberrypi, so if your router has the capability, you should be able to connect to it like that.
[19:06] <melow01> (this is a network with hundreds of Windows XP computers and Active Directory domains, etc...)
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[19:06] <ShiftPlusOne> for example, I can ping raspberrypi.home and find out the IP.
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[19:07] <melow01> ShiftPlusOne, oh duh!
[19:07] <pksato> or, ask net adm. :)
[19:07] <IT_Sean> ShiftPlusOne, almost sounds like there might be a slightly squidgy trace somewhere that is expanding / contracting with the change in temperature on those units, then. As they Pi should never, in theory, reach it's thermal shutdown point in normal operation. Even overclocked.
[19:07] <ShiftPlusOne> (or alarmpi if you're running arch)
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[19:07] <angelos> or use zeroconf
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[19:08] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, that's the thing, they are not even getting anywhere near the trip temperature. Like you said, I think there's a soldering problem and they should send it back or try to reflow at home.
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[19:09] <melow01> ShiftPlusOne, I'm not getting a ping response from raspberrypi.home
[19:09] <pksato> melow01: only raspberrypi
[19:09] <ShiftPlusOne> melow01, it's .home on my network, that will depend on your router.
[19:09] <melow01> ShiftPlusOne, My Pi still has the default setup, I just turned on SSH last night and ran apt-get upgrade
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[19:10] <melow01> ping: unknown host raspberrypi
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[19:10] <melow01> I removed the *.home and still nothing
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[19:10] <ShiftPlusOne> then storm into the net admin's office
[19:10] <melow01> angelos, what's zeroconf?
[19:10] <IT_Sean> And DEMAND the IP!
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[19:11] <angelos> melow01: you might know it as avahi or bonjour
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[19:11] <mgottschlag> actually, wireshark on the same network should also tell you the ip if you listen for dhcp traffic
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[19:11] <mgottschlag> or because it sends zeroconf messages or similar without being asked
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[19:12] <pksato> and, dont use nmap on employer net.
[19:12] <melow01> angelos, oh ok... i've heard of those services but i don't know much about them
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[19:12] <melow01> mgottschlag, ok, thanks! I'll see if I can get some info from wireshark
[19:12] <angelos> melow01: they remove the need to know the ip address via auto-discovery
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[19:14] <melow01> angelos, ok
[19:14] <pksato> melow01: more easy to set static ip on rpi. but, need access to root fs.
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[19:15] <melow01> pksato, true, but I wouldn't be able to do that when walking into work. I would need to plug it into a display... I'm trying to get to it over the network without a display
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[19:16] <pksato> melow01: using other computer.
[19:16] <pksato> linux, windows or mac, with ext4 fs access.
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[19:17] <melow01> pksato, hmm...ok
[19:18] <pksato> some one need to implemente a /boot/netconf.txt :)
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[19:20] <angelos> melow01: this is how avahi-discover looks like on my local net: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yt8azay3bzw1xjo/Screenshot%20from%202013-01-07%2019%3A19%3A16.png
[19:20] <angelos> (odin being my laptop)
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[19:21] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like overclocking makes a difference of about 10 degrees at 100% load. Still only running at 67 degrees maximum, 65 average, nowhere near 85.
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[19:22] <melow01> angelos, oh nice
[19:22] <johnc_> anybody knows if there's an option in omxplayer or a wrapper around it to black out the screen during playback to hide the desktop?
[19:22] <melow01> angelos, I'm running Ubuntu also. Is avahi turned on by default?
[19:24] <mgottschlag> melow01: probably
[19:24] <melow01> angelos, 'ps aux' shows avahi daemon running
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[19:30] <melow01> What if I plug my laptop NIC directly to the RPi NIC? Do I need a crossover cable to get ssh?
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> no
[19:31] <melow01> ok, straight CAT5
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> but you may need to setup the laptop to provide dhcp/...
[19:31] <melow01> SpeedEvil, ah, good point
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[19:35] <melow01> thanks folks, I'll be back in a bit...
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[20:32] * Gordio ???????????? portage ???? 100115 ????????????. ???????????? ??????????????????...
[20:32] <Gordio> ops, sorry :D
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[20:41] <alex88> hi guys, is there a meter, sensor or anything to measure ampere?
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[20:42] <Amadiro> alex88, yes
[20:42] <Amadiro> its called a current sensor
[20:42] <IT_Sean> alex88, not sure what you are looking for... there are a number of clamp on style meters thazt can measure current draw
[20:42] <alex88> Actually I want to measure ampere from a 230v current
[20:43] <Amadiro> alex88, 0-16A, then?
[20:43] <alex88> between 0 to 30A
[20:43] <Amadiro> lol
[20:43] <Amadiro> that's gonna be expensive
[20:43] <alex88> need to measure solar panel production and home consumption
[20:43] <alex88> :)
[20:43] <alex88> yeah I've figured that too during searches
[20:43] <Amadiro> also not sure if measuring current is the proper way to measure solar panel performance
[20:44] <Amadiro> probably not -- but I know next to nothing about solar panels
[20:44] <johnc_> don't you want to measure wattage?
[20:45] <alex88> johnc_, that can be an option too
[20:45] <|Jeroen|> you can't measure wattage
[20:45] * IT_Sean closes a ticket
[20:45] <|Jeroen|> only current and voltage
[20:45] <IT_Sean> Whoops! wrong channel
[20:45] <alex88> ok, so my idea of A is correct
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> Ge a clamp meter.
[20:46] <IT_Sean> Aye... get a clamp meter.
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[20:46] <IT_Sean> they usually aren't TERRIBLY expensive.
[20:46] <IT_Sean> And they will do what you want.
[20:46] <johnc_> |Jeroen|: and you can determine wattage from current and voltage using Ohms law :P
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[20:47] <|Jeroen|> voltage X current = Wattage
[20:47] <lee> alex88: I use something very similar to a www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360534326421 for measuring the output from my solar panel. it's a bit poo and crashes after a day, but it works. or at least it lies convincingly.
[20:47] <alex88> gordonDrogon, eheh, thanks again to you :)
[20:47] <Gordio> V*A=W
[20:47] <Gordio> simple =)
[20:47] <alex88> lee: but you just see the data on the display, isn't it?
[20:48] <lee> alex88: yes
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> P=I*V is the usual way I've seen/used it ...
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[20:48] <Torikun> yo
[20:48] <alex88> lee: I need to get it to the PI
[20:48] <lee> oh
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> P=IV is a lie >=/
[20:48] <lee> ok, I'll stfu then =)
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> which means that with Ohms law, you can infer power loss - I*I*R, or V^2/R
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[20:48] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, ???? =\
[20:48] <ShiftPlusOne> S=IV
[20:49] <Gordio> Waht is S?
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> someone going to chirp in with power correction factors )-:
[20:49] <ShiftPlusOne> Apparent power
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[20:51] <fwisses> hey guys
[20:51] <fwisses> can I underclock the pi?
[20:51] <|Jeroen|> good question
[20:51] <Gordio> fwisses, you can
[20:52] <fwisses> with the warranty intact?
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[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> I don't see why not
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> why do people ask this question?
[20:52] <fwisses> and why would this not be recommended?
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Warranty void when (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> there is nothing to be gained by undercloking it.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> if you want to save power, change the 3.3v regulator.
[20:53] <clear`> its a $35 toy, you are worried about voiding the warranty?
[20:53] <fwisses> so it won't sve power
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> With dynamic scaling you can have it running at 500MHz and only go up to 1GHz when it's needed, for example.
[20:53] <fwisses> well, heat generation, too
[20:53] <IT_Sean> underclocking will not save power
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> maybe you're asking about undervolting?
[20:53] * IT_Sean facepalms
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[20:54] <fwisses> IT_Sean
[20:54] <fwisses> ;?
[20:54] <IT_Sean> the raspi does not behave the same way as a normal PC does, heat-wise
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[20:56] <rymate1234> oooo crap
[20:56] <johnc_> can any of you recommend a case/enclosure for the pi that actually has room to attach cables?
[20:56] <rymate1234> think I've got myself a corrupt file system!
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[20:59] <s5fs> johnc_: i'm just making cases from lego bricks
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[21:00] <johnc_> s5fs: haha, my wife wanted to do that for my pis
[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne> Gordio, In a nutshell. The apparent power takes into account components which resist the flow of current, but don't consume power. For example, capacitors and inductors. You may have an apparent power that is higher than what is actually the real power (P) that is used by the load. You'd normally want to eliminate the reactive power since it requires a higher current going through the wires whi
[21:01] <ShiftPlusOne> ch leads to losses and more expensive materials to handle it. It's kind of important in AC power circuits. Z=R+jX, P=I^2*R, Q=I^2*X, S=IV=I^2*Z I may have gotten a few things wrong, going off memory here.
[21:01] <s5fs> johnc_: haha, you two are well-matched!
[21:02] <alex88> gordonDrogon, what about this http://vis.openenergymonitor.org/ShopPhotos/SCT013-000_datasheet.pdf ?
[21:02] <alex88> for measuring current?
[21:02] <Gordio> ShiftPlusOne, sorry, I from Ukraine. Hard good understand full text.
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[21:02] <pecorade> Hi.
[21:03] <ShiftPlusOne> Gordio, Kiev?
[21:03] <Gordio> But I understand about Apparent power :D
[21:03] <johnc_> s5fs: aye, we are
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[21:05] <ShiftPlusOne> gordonDrogon, I am from Ukraine too, but I don't know the power terminology in Russian. Hell, I'm barely able to remember the language. Currently reading dostoyevski and solzhenitsin in Russian to brush up. >.>
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[21:07] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry *Gordio
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[21:16] <alex88> with this https://www.adafruit.com/products/1083 ADC can I measure also 0-50mV inputs?
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[21:18] <rikkib> You would need a buffer amp to measure 50mV with a 3.3v adc
[21:19] <alex88> rikkib, can you explain that better please? pretty noob
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[21:20] <rikkib> 3.3v/256 = resolution of 8 bit adc
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[21:21] <rikkib> 12mV per digit
[21:22] <melow01> angelos, my avahi-daemon is running but how did you get the avahi GUI earlier?
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[21:22] <rikkib> 50mV would give you a reading of about 5
[21:22] <angelos> melow01: install avahi-discover
[21:22] <rikkib> So you need to amplify the input voltage
[21:22] <alex88> rikkib, the 12bit on the adc title is because it can be powered with 2/5.5V?
[21:22] <melow01> angelos,
[21:22] <melow01> angelos, ok
[21:23] <angelos> melow01: also, you need avahi-daemon on the rpi
[21:23] <alex88> it says to have an input amplifier also
[21:23] <melow01> angelos, good to know
[21:23] <flowsnake> crap. I can't auto join this channel because of the +r, because it takes too long for nickserv to authenticate me so my client tries to join too soon
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[21:23] <ShiftPlusOne> flowsnake, did you specify a server password?
[21:23] <rymate1234> uh
[21:24] <rymate1234> so I got a new SD card today
[21:24] <flowsnake> just nickserv
[21:24] <rymate1234> transferred my raspbian image onto it
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[21:24] <rikkib> One also has to be careful to limit the output of the amp to the max input voltage of the adc
[21:24] <flowsnake> I don't know what the server password actually is
[21:24] <rikkib> Normally with a zener
[21:24] <rymate1234> 1st boot - worked fine, no fs corruption. used raspi-config option to resize partitions on next boot
[21:24] <mgottschlag> flowsnake: nickserv pw
[21:24] <rymate1234> 2nd boot - works fine, partitions resized. everything is gud
[21:24] <alex88> rikkib, well, analog meter output is 0-50mv
[21:25] <rymate1234> 3rd boot - bye bye file system
[21:25] <flowsnake> I'll try it then
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[21:25] <alex88> with that 12bit adc I will get just 1 each 5mv so?
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[21:25] <flowsnake> ok that worked, thanks
[21:26] <mgottschlag> it indeed has an amplifier, sec
[21:26] <mgottschlag> let's have a look at the datasheet :)
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[21:26] <mgottschlag> +256mV is the lowest max. voltage
[21:27] <alex88> mgottschlag, looking at my problem?
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[21:27] <alex88> KDE_sucks, lol
[21:27] <mgottschlag> so you have 256 / 2^12
[21:27] <mgottschlag> yes
[21:27] <frikinz> Hum when I play music on my pi, it jams my tv reception :)
[21:27] <mgottschlag> that said, I am not really an expert w.r.t. electronics
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[21:27] <alex88> the analog meter is this http://vis.openenergymonitor.org/ShopPhotos/SCT013-000_datasheet.pdf and the adc I would be could be https://www.adafruit.com/products/1085 or https://www.adafruit.com/products/1083
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[21:30] <mgottschlag> "<frikinz> Hum when I play music on my pi, it jams my tv reception :)" - PWM artefacts? :D
[21:30] <rymate1234> :oi
[21:30] <rymate1234> nvm its booting
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[21:31] <raspier> Hi, has anyone succesfully cross-compiled chromium here?
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[21:31] <rymate1234> yu[
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[21:31] <rymate1234> you can install it on raspbian
[21:32] <rymate1234> sudo apt-get install chromium
[21:32] <rymate1234> lol
[21:32] <melow01> Is there a fix for the keyboard repeat problem? Do I need a different power supply for 5V?
[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> raspier, there has to be something about it on the forum. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=7517
[21:32] <hevauq> hey guy, I tried connecting keyboard to the pi and suddenly i got kernel panic and now neither usb port not ethernet port seems to be working. any suggestions?
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[21:33] <rymate1234> yeahhh
[21:33] <rymate1234> kernel panic = system crash
[21:33] <hevauq> i know that
[21:34] <hevauq> i rebooted and still not able to connect either of the two
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[21:34] <mgottschlag> alex88: actually it is probably 0.512mV / 2^12 (or 2^16), at least for differential input
[21:36] <rikkib> lsd would be jitter
[21:36] <alex88> mgottschlag, where did you get that 512? also, so in that case what am I able to measure of those 0-50mV?
[21:36] <mgottschlag> alex88: somewhere in the datasheet (in the downloads section) there is a "full scale" table for various amplifier settings
[21:37] <rikkib> adc max diff input is 4v from the data sheet
[21:37] <rikkib> divide by 2^12
[21:37] <mgottschlag> so the smallest voltage level change you can measure is 0.125mV
[21:37] <mgottschlag> rikkib: no, it has an amplifier builtin!
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[21:38] <mgottschlag> for 50mV you would get 50 / 0,125 = 400 signal steps
[21:38] <alex88> mgottschlag, so I can measure the 0-50mV changes with a precision of 0.125vm rigght?
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[21:39] <mgottschlag> I'd say so, yes
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[21:39] <mgottschlag> the 4V is only if the amplifier is disabled
[21:40] <mgottschlag> the different scales are on page 10
[21:40] <mgottschlag> bbl
[21:40] <alex88> mgottschlag, uh ok, great, thank you very much
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[21:45] <jelly1> doesnt the Pi support WMV9?
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[21:45] <jelly1> damn it seems like i need that key
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[21:47] <EpixP0ison> LEMON PARTY AT MY PLACE
[21:48] <hevauq> is there any place where I can send the kernel panic dump to get more help?
[21:48] <EpixP0ison> pastebin it and share the link
[21:48] <EpixP0ison> i can try to help
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[21:49] <hevauq> http://www.fpaste.org/37Y0/
[21:49] <hevauq> this happens when i try to connect to network
[21:49] <timmmaaaayyy> i just want to say i love my raspberry pi
[21:49] <ShiftPlusOne> hevauq, have you checked your voltage?
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[21:50] <hevauq> voltage for?
[21:50] <ShiftPlusOne> the voltage between TP1 and TP2. The pi is known to crash if your power supply or wiring is bad.
[21:50] <EpixP0ison> i ordered my lemons a hour ago :)
[21:51] <frikinz> How many?
[21:51] <EpixP0ison> 3000
[21:51] <EpixP0ison> might need more :/
[21:51] <frikinz> LOL
[21:51] <EpixP0ison> i need to go and get like 100 meters of copper and magneisum
[21:51] <EpixP0ison> lots of wire
[21:51] <hevauq> ok, it is possible, i got a new power source, earlier i was powering it from USB
[21:52] <EpixP0ison> and my pi :)
[21:52] <EpixP0ison> hevauq yes try using lemons like me
[21:53] <hevauq> right, will do that
[21:53] <EpixP0ison> hmm 3000 lemons could fill a car
[21:53] <EpixP0ison> D:
[21:53] <EpixP0ison> i need 1 car full of lemons to power my pi
[21:55] <hevauq> argg, seems like the connecting USB hub was problematic. Never buy anything from poundland, :D
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[21:55] <EpixP0ison> lmfao
[21:55] <EpixP0ison> for a cable poundland is ok..... just dont be suprised if it breaks
[21:55] <EpixP0ison> not headphones
[21:55] <EpixP0ison> NEVER headphones
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> ?1 headphones last 2 days then the side goes
[21:56] <hevauq> it's a cheap non powered usb hub, it is mostly problematic
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> ?10 headphones lasted me 3 years so far
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> powered?
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> as in mains powered?
[21:56] <hevauq> unpowered
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> oh ok
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> :p
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> well
[21:56] <EpixP0ison> the PI needs all the volts and amps it can gt
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[21:57] <EpixP0ison> try not using a hub
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[21:57] <EpixP0ison> or get a mains powered hub :p
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[21:57] <johnc_> o.0
[21:57] <rymate1234> what was he doing?
[21:57] <rymate1234> lol
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> It's a guy who was banned ages ago.
[21:58] <ShiftPlusOne> made a new nick
[21:58] <rymate1234> ah
[21:58] <rymate1234> uh
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[22:05] <Torikun> yo
[22:06] <dniMretsaM> hi Torikun
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[22:10] <ech0s7> hi all
[22:10] <ech0s7> what tool could i use to send file via bluetooth ?
[22:10] <ech0s7> (from shell)
[22:11] * gordonDrogon waves.
[22:11] <Amadiro> ech0s7, have you looked at bluez
[22:11] <ech0s7> Amadiro: yes i have installed all package
[22:12] <ech0s7> but i can't find any tools
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[22:12] <Amadiro> ech0s7, it probably contains some tool to do what you want
[22:12] <ech0s7> i also belive
[22:12] <ech0s7> but I could not find it
[22:13] <Amadiro> ech0s7, just look inside the package to see what it installed
[22:13] <Amadiro> how you do that specifically depends on your distribution
[22:13] <ech0s7> raspbian
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[22:13] <Amadiro> ech0s7, go to whereever the .deb is (/var/cache/apt or so, probably) and try `dpkg -L filename.deb`
[22:14] <Amadiro> actually, dpkg -L seems to work on just the package name
[22:14] <Amadiro> so just try `dpkg -L bluez`
[22:15] <ech0s7> Amadiro: http://pastebin.com/D1GTzqpi
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[22:16] <Amadiro> ech0s7, line 58 to 85 are the programs it installed that are of interest to you
[22:16] <Amadiro> one of those might do what you want
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[22:18] <ech0s7> and what do you suggest to do ?
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[22:18] <ech0s7> try one by one ?
[22:18] <ech0s7> with --help ?
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[22:18] <ech0s7> to me seems a good idea!
[22:19] <Amadiro> I'd try `man programname`
[22:19] <ech0s7> with man is faster
[22:20] <Amadiro> bccmd and bluetooth-agent look the most promising to me, going by the name, but I've never done anything much with BT
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[22:21] <Amadiro> ech0s7, a quick google search indicates that you might need to do this via bluetoothd and OBEX or so.
[22:21] <Amadiro> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-216439.html might be relevant
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[22:30] <wowpin> Hello people, I am currently looking into a project involving Pi. The goal is to setup a website with a live webcam feed showing 5 LEDs and let people switch them on/off using buttons on the site. I initially designed a solution when SQL code is used to update a little database table holding current LED states. This database table would be read every second by a server running python script
[22:30] <wowpin> and information extracted would be used to update the GPIO. Can you think of any other way of doing this? Perhaps something that would not require a page reload.
[22:31] <Primer> Hi, I'm looking to get a Pi to serve as a "security camera client". I just want to know a few things before buying one. First, is all display done with X? Is there frame buffer? Second, anyone know if there's a light weight "streaming jpeg" capable client? Would hate to have to use a full browser in X for this.
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[22:32] <Primer> wowpin: use Ajax?
[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> wowpin, TAFB is doing something similar I think by generating static data every <some amount> seconds and then uses jquery to access it. I haven't been paying too much attention though, I may have gotten it wrong, you may want to ask him later.
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[22:33] <Primer> then have the backend script make the change itself, instead of polling a database
[22:33] <wowpin> ShiftPlusOne: I'll drop him a line, thanks
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[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> wowpin, http://tafb.yi.org/ he has the source available at the bottom. You can see the page is dynamic and I think that's using jquery.
[22:35] <johnc_> if you like .net look into SignalR
[22:35] <ShiftPlusOne> well, I know it's using jquery, but yeah.
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[22:37] <johnc_> really surprised at how well my pis run my .net code
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[22:42] <rikkib> wowpin, I use Gordons gpio stuff and webiopi
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[22:44] <Primer> What about using a Pi as webcam client?
[22:44] <Primer> as in, there's already a web server serving up these "jpeg streams over HTTP"?
[22:45] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
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[22:45] <rikkib> It is called motion apt-get install motion
[22:45] <wowpin> Primier: the webcam would be controlled by a separate pc
[22:45] <Primer> sigh
[22:45] <Primer> I already have motion running
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[22:45] <Primer> what I want is a client
[22:46] <rikkib> vlc
[22:46] <Primer> I want to hook a Pi up to my 52" LCD in the living room
[22:46] <akulbe> if I'm using my rPi for console only (no X installed) how much RAM do I really need for the GPU. Not a full 64MB, right? (since that seems to be the default out of the box)
[22:46] <Primer> http://home.ceregatti.org/camera/cams.php <-- my cams
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[22:46] <frikinz> rikkib: how do you use webiopi? Did you do a new html interface using the javascript lib or just using the interface delivered in webiopi?
[22:47] <Primer> So I'd simply run vlc on the Pi in X?
[22:47] <Primer> I'm actually looking for something more light weight
[22:47] <Primer> as I'd like to get the 30 FPS for each cam that the page I linked delivers
[22:47] <Primer> there's 5 cams on that page
[22:48] <rikkib> frikinz, Standard stuff using webiopi
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[22:48] <rikkib> Give me a minute and I will put the stuff on my server
[22:49] <Tirili> Hi
[22:49] <Primer> Man, the sun is going to kill your camera
[22:49] <johnc_> those webcams are far less exciting than I hoped
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[22:49] <Primer> well, mine is strictly for security
[22:50] <rikkib> Has a filter in front of it
[22:50] <Primer> and therefore unexciting :)
[22:50] <Tirili> Some weeks ago there was an advertising about some open source software server for voip and I think eMail. It was something like an all around solution. What was its name again?
[22:50] <IT_Sean> He doesn't have it pointed right at the sun, does he?
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[22:50] <rikkib> But yes just testing
[22:50] <Primer> I have caught some wildlife with mine
[22:50] <Primer> http://home.ceregatti.org/camera/cam1/2012/08/09/02-57-49.avi <-- for example
[22:50] <johnc_> Primer: what cams are you using?
[22:51] <rikkib> ug Primer cam killed my browser
[22:51] <Primer> yes, it'll do that if it's underpowered
[22:51] <ShiftPlusOne> Primer, heh
[22:51] <Primer> I'm still trying to find the link for the cameras I'm using, sec
[22:52] <Primer> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005UOS4MC/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[22:52] <ShiftPlusOne> nice reviews
[22:53] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/camctl.txt
[22:53] <rikkib> This is the development code to control gpio over net
[22:54] <johnc_> nice
[22:54] <Primer> and the machine it's in has one of these: http://dx.com/p/4-channel-surveillence-video-monitoring-capture-and-recorder-pci-card-with-software-h-264-mpeg4-17848
[22:54] <rikkib> rename to camctl.html
[22:54] <Primer> As well as an old single input bttv card for the 5th cam
[22:54] <rikkib> I will put the other page I use up as well... hang on
[22:55] <Primer> but that obviously runs from a normal "PC", not a Pi
[22:55] <rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/index.txt
[22:55] <Primer> I hate calling it a PC, hence the quotes
[22:56] <rikkib> same deal that is an html files renamed to .txt so you can see it...
[22:57] <Primer> So back to my original question. My goal is to have this be as lightweight as possible. Can the Pi drive 1920x1080 over HDMI without X?
[22:57] <pecorade> Primer, yes.
[22:57] <ShiftPlusOne> 'course
[22:58] <Primer> Ok, good.
[22:58] <rikkib> What you see with my web cam is the motion proxying the internal cam... The internal web server running on the RPi has the webiopi setup
[22:58] <Primer> What about the performance of graphics without X?
[22:58] <johnc_> you probably want a single video source though to avoid the pi having to do any heavy lifting - if you can merge the 4 cams into a composite stream you'd just need to feed it to omxplayer or something
[22:59] <Primer> Ahh good idea
[22:59] <rikkib> I can restart motion from the internal web interface, take snap shots and conrtol the GPIO
[22:59] <ShiftPlusOne> Primer, when it comes to performance, X is a hinderance.
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[22:59] <Primer> ShiftPlusOne: right, hence my desire to do this without X
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[23:01] <Primer> The last part would be detecting that HDMI has been connected. I'm guessing there's a way to determine on the Pi that HDMI has gone "live" on the other end?
[23:01] <ShiftPlusOne> and keep in mind you can't just use the framebuffer and think expect to get any decent performance at all. If it's not using one of the few gpu accelerated methods like openmax, opengles or openvg, performance is going to be bad.
[23:01] <Primer> As I would not want this constantly streaming
[23:01] <johnc_> Primer: tvservice -s should let you know hdmi status afaik
[23:01] <Primer> johnc_: But what about something like a udev event?
[23:01] <Amadiro> Primer, VLC, mplayer & co are not hardware-accelerated on the pi
[23:02] <Amadiro> Primer, I think omxplayer is currently the only player that can play things hardware-accelerated, and it doesn't use X at all.
[23:02] <Amadiro> so whether you have X or not should be largely irrelevant
[23:02] <Primer> Amadiro: that'd be perfect
[23:02] <johnc_> Amadiro: and omxplayer is so prototype it makes me sad
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[23:03] <johnc_> using it as a library is all good though :D
[23:03] <Amadiro> Primer, I don't know whether omxplayer can do what you want to do, though.
[23:03] <Amadiro> Primer, you might have to roll your own thing with OpenMAX and/or use the OMX components from xbmc or somesuch
[23:04] <johnc_> omxplayer can play HTTP streams but I'm not sure how it behaves with a stream that's live
[23:04] <Primer> Well, someone here had already mentioned that it'd be a better idea to composite the 5 cams into one "stream"
[23:04] <Amadiro> what type of signal do you get from the cams?
[23:05] <Primer> http://home.ceregatti.org/camera/cams.php
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[23:05] <Primer> Has been known to kill people's browsers (Disclaimer)
[23:05] <johnc_> cams tend to be jpeg streams (makes me sad)
[23:05] <Primer> johnc_: true, but most browsers support it, and there's very little overhead
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[23:05] <Amadiro> I guess the CPU can probably mix 5 640x480 streams together
[23:06] <johnc_> I'd do the mixing on the PC that takes the cam input
[23:06] <Primer> that's what I was thinking too
[23:06] <Amadiro> yeah, if that's an option, that'd be best
[23:06] <Primer> since that machine is a dual opteron. Old, but still pretty powerful
[23:06] <Primer> I'd have to write that though
[23:07] <bparker> pretty easy with gstreamer
[23:07] <Amadiro> and then you'd have to emit it in some form the rpis videocore understands, too
[23:07] <johnc_> there's gotta be software to do it already
[23:08] <Amadiro> really, if all else fails you can just have the streams open in a browser and capture that window and send it off
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[23:08] <Amadiro> obviously not very elegant or reliable, though
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[23:08] <johnc_> or use videolan mosaic
[23:08] <johnc_> http://wiki.videolan.org/Mosaic
[23:09] <Primer> nice
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[23:09] <johnc_> for hardware decoding support on the pi you'd want to encode the stream into x264 in a ts container
[23:10] <Primer> The box it's running on is pretty old...still running Debian Lenny :(
[23:10] <johnc_> should be able to play a ts stream afaik
[23:10] <bparker> what player for the pi supports ts containers?
[23:10] <johnc_> doesn't omxplayer?
[23:11] <bparker> I don't know
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[23:11] <johnc_> if xmbc supports any type of live stream it seems it'd need ts support
[23:12] <johnc_> you can't use the mp4 container on a live stream
[23:12] <DEac-> hi
[23:12] <bparker> but I do know that I wish there was some kind of embedded platform that had real documentation useful to programmers on how to easily use the hardware decoder in your own program
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[23:13] <johnc_> I wish that VLC supported the pi hw decoder :(
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[23:13] <DEac-> i won't to use many power suppliers for all my things (phone, tablet, raspberry). somebody knows a good power supply for everything at once? 5x usb and 5A (or more)?
[23:14] <s5fs> DEac-: i'd look into charging stations
[23:15] <Amadiro> bparker, I think OpenMAX is well-documented
[23:15] <Amadiro> but it's not very pleasant to work with
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[23:16] <Primer> I'm installing VLC now and trying to setup this mosaic with my 5 cameras. Going to use vlc as a client for this locallly (I'm at work, cams are at home)
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[23:17] <AndrevS> DEac-, I was thinking into making such a setup as well. I think this looks interesting http://dx.com/p/5v-20a-iron-case-power-supply-silver-ac-110-220v-124499
[23:18] <DEac-> AndrevS: that's would be nice
[23:18] <rikkib> Good luck with VLC... I could not get it to see usb web cams hooked to the RPi
[23:18] <rikkib> It had permission issues
[23:18] <AndrevS> But it comes without power connectors so you need to make something for that.
[23:19] <johnc_> rikkib: his cams are plugged into a pc
[23:19] <rikkib> Nott sure what and did not pursue it
[23:19] <DEac-> it's possible to charge any usb-device with full Ampere?
[23:19] <johnc_> rikkib: probably missing a group on your user
[23:19] <ShiftPlusOne> DEac-, what do you mean?
[23:20] <rikkib> RPi usb max current for both ports 150mA
[23:20] <Primer> I just wonder if this mosaic thing will run 24/7 even without any clients connected to it
[23:20] <AndrevS> USB charging specification say, afaik, to indicate a charging device you need to shortcut the data pins in the connectors. So just mouting usb connectors with data pins shorted, and power pins connected,
[23:20] <Primer> I hope it's smart enough to not do that
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[23:21] <DEac-> ShiftPlusOne: AndrevS has the answer for my question ;)
[23:21] <AndrevS> then it's up to the device to take as much power as they desire. The charger is supposed to drop the voltage when its current limit is reached.
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[23:21] <johnc_> Primer: you'd need a script to start/stop it on demand, triggered by HDMI status on your pi ideally I guess
[23:21] <DEac-> AndrevS: nice to know. so i need micro-usb-plugs
[23:22] <bparker> Amadiro: yea, I tried to look into it once... didn't make any sense to me. I'm used to working with gstreamer but I don't know of any embedded board where there is a community-provided "ready-to-go" Linux image that has working gstreamer hardware decoder elements preinstalled
[23:22] <bparker> as all the ones I've tried to get working myself end up in disaster
[23:22] <Primer> johnc_: that'll be the plan on the Pi for sure. I was mostly wondering about vlc and its CPU usage on the PC with the cams if there was nothing connected to it over the network
[23:23] <Primer> i.e. no client
[23:23] <Primer> if this all works, I'll cross that bridge later
[23:23] <AndrevS> DEac-, on the RPi end of the cable, yes, but my idea was to create some USB-A sockets on a PCB, and just connect a USB A -> micro B cable to that.
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[23:24] <DEac-> AndrevS: ok, that's 'cleaner' btw: http://www.amazon.com/Skiva-PowerFlow-Smartphones-Universal-Compatibility/dp/B008R97TOQ/ref=sr_1_28?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357597328&sr=1-28&keywords=Charging+Station
[23:24] <johnc_> Primer: vlc will be encoding for as long as it's running
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[23:24] <Primer> johnc_: well that sucks
[23:25] <Primer> but I can live with that
[23:25] <Primer> still waiting on this dist-upgrade
[23:25] <Primer> should really do that more often
[23:26] <Primer> While I have Lenny on the disks, and it's the booted kernel, I have an ubuntu 12 chroot
[23:26] <Primer> which is where I'll be running VLC
[23:26] <Primer> I have to do that for motion, as the bttv module from kernel 3.x crashes this box
[23:26] <AndrevS> sockets ( http://dx.com/p/diy-usb-4-pin-female-180-degree-dip-socket-connector-silver-10-piece-pack-127636 ) + Prototype PCB ( http://dx.com/p/diy-usb-4-pin-female-180-degree-dip-socket-connector-silver-10-piece-pack-127636 ) and perhaps for safety self-resetting fuses ( http://dx.com/p/diy-circuit-safety-protection-1a-fuse-set-silver-blue-10-pcs-164598 )
[23:26] <Primer> but the one in 2.6 is stable
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[23:27] <AndrevS> DEac-, looks nice :)
[23:28] <Primer> ubuntu really doesn't like running in a chroot
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[23:28] <AndrevS> Anyways, I'm off. g'night
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[23:32] <Shamu2> D:
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[23:33] <Shamu2> OK
[23:33] <Shamu2> time to learn how to connect my pi to my smb server
[23:36] <Shamu2> Can anyone suggest a better networking solution for windows to linux machines than samba?
[23:37] <johnc_> there's an smb module for fuse isn't there?
[23:37] <Shamu2> dunno
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[23:37] <Shamu2> i'm trying to get mpd going on my pi
[23:37] <johnc_> yes, the answer is yes
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[23:37] <Shamu2> pulling music from my smb share windows desktop
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[23:39] <Shamu2> the answer to what
[23:39] * johnc_ sighs
[23:39] <johnc_> google "fusesmb"
[23:40] <Shamu2> interesting
[23:40] * Shamu2 laughs
[23:42] <tukkip> im having rasbian with network-manager and tightvncserver. Im trying to control PI via VNC but im not able to change network options, connect to VPN etc. So is there any chance to change network settings via VNC ? now all options are grayed out
[23:42] <Amadiro> Shamu2, smb is pretty much what windows likes the most, so that's what most people go with
[23:43] <Shamu2> i have a linux partition but am primarily on windows
[23:43] <Amadiro> at least when I tested it with windows xp, pretty much everything except smb was unusable (like FTP, webdav & co)
[23:43] <Shamu2> fusesmb looks like itll work out
[23:43] <tukkip> i need some kind of remote desktop with GUI
[23:43] <Shamu2> thanks for the tip johnc_
[23:43] <johnc_> np
[23:44] <johnc_> Amadiro: CIFS is what windows likes most
[23:44] <johnc_> CIFS are SMB are pretty much the same thing though :P
[23:44] <Amadiro> johnc_, isn't that SMB...?
[23:45] <Shamu2> ftp works fine
[23:45] <Shamu2> since windows 7 anyway
[23:45] <Shamu2> funny enough, it's when i got my vista laptop that i delved into linux
[23:45] <Amadiro> ftp on windows xp used to crash/hang the whole system for me
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[23:45] <Shamu2> i never thought about that before
[23:45] <Amadiro> and I think office programs weren't able to really open files from an ftp share
[23:46] <Shamu2> i dont recall ever using it for that so it still could be a problem
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[23:49] <tukkip> anyone ? now it's saying that "not authorized to control network" if i try to connect VPN via VNC
[23:50] <Shamu2> i have a question that google isnt answering because it's too basic of a question lol
[23:50] <Shamu2> and my googling skills arent the greatest
[23:50] <Shamu2> i need to give fusesmb root permission
[23:50] <Shamu2> how would i go about doing that via cmd line
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[23:51] <johnc_> use sudo when starting fuse
[23:51] <Shamu2> easy nuff
[23:51] <Primer> I followed the instructions on that vlc mosaic page, but...lsof doesn't show vlc listening on anything that could be used to connect another vlc client to watch the stream
[23:52] <Shamu2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=525736
[23:52] <Shamu2> these instructions assume i'm using the command line
[23:53] <Shamu2> erm
[23:53] <Shamu2> a GUI
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[23:58] <megatog> hello
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[23:58] <megatog> what is a good stable release to use rpi-update with?
[23:58] <megatog> latest one just panics a minute or two after boot
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