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IRC Log for 2013-01-08

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[0:00] <frikinz> I'm using bf30ac177a7016bd42f5d6441c0c878bddbeb18b
[0:00] <frikinz> Since 2 days... no real problems
[0:01] * Zarek_away is now known as Zarek_
[0:02] <ShiftPlusOne> latest works fine here
[0:02] <frikinz> The one from 30mn ago right?
[0:02] <megatog> when it panics it just loops the messages over and over
[0:02] <frikinz> Dom Cobley authored 34 minutes ago
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[0:03] <megatog> the one i've been using for a while panics after a long time which is a bit more stable
[0:03] <megatog> but now after updating it just panics after a few minutes
[0:03] <frikinz> how long is "after a long time" ?
[0:03] <megatog> variable
[0:04] <megatog> could be days, could be hours
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[0:04] <megatog> the message says that a bug appeared in a specific file
[0:04] <frikinz> and do you have a log of when it panics?
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[0:04] <megatog> cant remember what file, but i'll revert and see what it says
[0:05] <ebswift> getting good power to the board megatog?
[0:05] <megatog> ebswift: yes, using the 5.25v supply from adafruit
[0:06] <Shamu2> this is a great way to use linux CLI
[0:06] <ebswift> do they also supply the cable that connects from the power supply into the rpi?
[0:06] <Shamu2> i just learned how to navigate directors, create directors, and change file permissions :D
[0:06] <Shamu2> exit
[0:07] <megatog> ebswift: i dont see how the cable would have anything to do with the either kernel panicing at different times
[0:07] <ebswift> megatog i had wifi dropping out after x minutes... that was because of the usb cable, and i tried 3 or 4 and all were the same, even with a 2A 5v power supply
[0:07] <ebswift> fixed the power problem and wifi runs indefinitely
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[0:08] <megatog> ebswift: it is not a problem with a device
[0:08] <megatog> ebswift: the kernel is panicing
[0:09] <megatog> i think i can get the old kernel to panic by running my torrent client
[0:09] <ebswift> k, just a thought... i think low power creates strangeness in the system
[0:09] <megatog> it always seems to do it when i have that running
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[0:10] <ebswift> i've been running raspbian with no issues but i'm not running the GUI either
[0:10] <ebswift> (and keeping it upgraded)
[0:10] <megatog> neither am i
[0:10] <megatog> and it is latest as well
[0:10] <megatog> i wish raspbian had a kernel package
[0:11] <megatog> i dont like using possibly unstable kernels with rpi-update
[0:11] <ebswift> i had strange issues with oc so during the last install i didn't touch oc options
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[0:12] <Tirili> Can I compile elastix on the raspberry pi?
[0:12] <Tirili> using raspbian?
[0:13] <Tirili> instead of downloading an iso image?
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[0:15] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/ New pic and article about my toys.
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[0:17] <FunkyELF> anyone here set up multi-room audio using squeezebox?
[0:18] <megatog> does the raspberry pi have stability issues if it stays at 1000 MHz for too long?
[0:18] <ShiftPlusOne> megatog, depends on your specific pi
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[0:19] <megatog> ShiftPlusOne: /proc/cpuinfo says revisiiiiiiion 0002
[0:19] <megatog> er, lag
[0:19] <megatog> revision 0002
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[0:19] <ShiftPlusOne> not what I meant. If they are found to be unstable at a certain frequency, they are thrown out. From the ones which are working, it is unknown how well they will work at higher frequencies.
[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> They don't all have identical performance, even though they are the same model and made in the same batch is what I am saying.
[0:20] <ShiftPlusOne> Having said that, you should be fine at 1GHz anyway
[0:20] <megatog> ah
[0:20] <megatog> yes, as has been the case for a while
[0:21] <megatog> been at 1GHz(conservative governor) for much of the operating time now
[0:22] <ebswift> my sd card corrupted pretty quickly oc'ing, running non-oc'd my card hasn't corrupted with some pretty extended run times and a lot of on-offs
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[0:24] <ShiftPlusOne> Yup, so rpi config settings which work for you, don't necesserily work for others and vice versa. It'll take some monitoring and trial and error to find the right stable settings that will maximise performance for you. However, I am lazy and just use these settings which work fine for me http://pastebin.com/1aBsWs87
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[0:25] <gordonDrogon> My Pi's used to be stable at 900MHz, then I switched to 'turbo' mode and they started mis-behaving )-:
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[0:25] <gordonDrogon> I suspect (but haven't had the time to chase it down), that the sudden switching caused PSU issues...
[0:27] <ebswift> it's been said before but the first thing that should be checked with any strangeness is the TP1 & TP2 voltage
[0:27] <ebswift> i've got very good voltage but no luck with oc'ing
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[0:28] <frikinz> I've had this bcm2708_vcio: mbox chan 8 overflow locking pretty everything. Otherwise some usb resets. I've stopped OC since a few days to see how it goes.
[0:29] <frikinz> I see someone mentionned it on the forum a few days ago. I've had it a month ago
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[0:30] <FunkyELF> I'm trying to format my sd card. Trying to use raspbian instead of raspbmc. When I plug it into my system, two partitions get mounted /dev/sde1 and /dev/sde2. As root I umount both of them. But then when I go to dd I get this.... dd: opening `/dev/sde': Read-only file system
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[0:30] <frikinz> with sudo?
[0:30] <FunkyELF> frikinz: I ran "sudo su -"
[0:30] <FunkyELF> so.. I'm root in that terminal
[0:31] <ShiftPlusOne> you didn't flip the read only switch on the card, did you?
[0:31] <ShiftPlusOne> it should be in the position that is nearest to the contacts
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[0:31] <ebswift> my card had readonly issues that i put down to oc'ing... i had readonly and general 'corruption'
[0:32] <FunkyELF> yeah... it is not locked
[0:32] <frikinz> /dev/sde read only file system. this error makes me wonder
[0:32] <ShiftPlusOne> FunkyELF, then that's very strange.
[0:32] <ebswift> i initially thought my card had totally packed it in
[0:33] <FunkyELF> when I plug it in... should I unmount it as the desktop user via gnome first?.... when I umount it on command line as root it disappears from user's gnome systray
[0:33] <frikinz> not some kind of security protection at os level?
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[0:34] <frikinz> FunkyELF: which linux do you use on your desktop?
[0:34] <FunkyELF> frikinz: Linux Mint 13 (basically Ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
[0:35] <clear`> i use xubuntu, i want to try out mint
[0:35] <FunkyELF> hmm.... it might be my card reader. I push the slider all the way towards the contacts but when I pull the card out it has moved a quarter of the way towards locked
[0:35] <Shamu2> setting up mpd is a real big pain in the ass when you have no idea what youre doing
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[0:36] <ShiftPlusOne> If you have no idea what you're doing, everything is a pain.
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[0:36] <frikinz> my teacher always said. when you don't know what you search, you don't know what you find :)
[0:37] <frikinz> Shamu2: you managed to mount your win share on your linux?
[0:37] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, is your teacher Lewis Carroll?
[0:37] <frikinz> on your pi I meant
[0:37] <Shamu2> no
[0:37] <Shamu2> trying to use fuse to do it
[0:37] <Shamu2> er
[0:37] <Shamu2> im adding my share to fstab now
[0:37] <Shamu2> confused at this part
[0:37] <frikinz> ShiftPlusOne: why? did HE say this?
[0:38] <clear`> which part
[0:38] <FunkyELF> Shamu2: what are trying to do? I really want a multi-room audio solution but it sounds like wifi is out of the question if you want them in sync
[0:38] <Shamu2> hmm
[0:38] <frikinz> I installed mpd meanwhile. it's streaming fine here ;p
[0:38] <ShiftPlusOne> frikinz, doubt it, just sounds like something he would say
[0:38] <Shamu2> thats what im trying to install, mpd
[0:38] <frikinz> Just looking for a iphone FREE mpd client
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[0:39] <Shamu2> http://askubuntu.com/questions/157128/proper-fstab-entry-to-mount-a-samba-share-on-boot
[0:39] <Shamu2> stuck here
[0:39] <frikinz> everyone gets stuck on ubuntu eh
[0:39] <clear`> lol
[0:39] <Shamu2> whats the difference between //server/share and /home/username
[0:40] <frikinz> man fstab
[0:40] <Shamu2> this was just a good result
[0:41] <TAFB> oh no, FPSrussia is dead :(
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[0:41] <Shamu2> serious?
[0:41] <Shamu2> how?
[0:41] <TAFB> yep.
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[0:41] <TAFB> shot in the back of the head, tied to a chair
[0:41] <TAFB> http://libertyandsuch.com/manager-of-fpsrussia-found-murdered/
[0:42] <clear`> Shamu2: answer #1 doesnt work for you?
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[0:42] <Shamu2> no, because i dont understand it
[0:42] <Shamu2> specifically this: //server/share /pathto/mountpoint cifs credentials=/home/username/.smbcredentials 0 0
[0:43] <clear`> do each part, see if it works for you
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[0:43] <johnc_> TAFB: is that the "professional russian" guy
[0:43] <johnc_> ?
[0:44] <FunkyELF> frikinz: you have more than one receiver?
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[0:44] <TAFB> that's the GUY! awesome russian accient, always testing crazy guns.
[0:44] <frikinz> FunkyELF: no. only set it up today. had some trouble with permission with my nas. but that's my aim to have several receivers
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[0:45] <frikinz> Last test he did it appears
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[0:46] <Shamu2> im looking at my fstab file now using nano
[0:46] <clear`> ok
[0:47] <clear`> /say //server/share /pathto/mountpoint cifs credentials=/home/username/.smbcredentials 0 0
[0:47] <clear`> add that
[0:47] <clear`> change /pathto/mountpoint to the path to mount point
[0:47] <Shamu2> thats the part im hung up at
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[0:47] <Shamu2> /server would be my windows desktop IP
[0:47] <clear`> if you havent done one you need to do mdir /media/whateveryouwantthenametobe
[0:48] <Shamu2> brandon-pc?
[0:48] <atouk> wasn't fpsrussia, but his business partner
[0:49] <Shamu2> ok
[0:49] <Shamu2> but what use is the new directory if the music i want to stream is on another computer
[0:50] <clear`> it mounts the directory to the pi's OS
[0:50] <Shamu2> oh ok
[0:50] <atouk> either rpi-pdate is broke, or i am
[0:50] <Shamu2> ok
[0:50] <Shamu2> so
[0:51] <Shamu2> /server/share
[0:51] <Shamu2> what would that be
[0:51] <Shamu2> /ipadressofdesktop/what
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[0:53] <frikinz> //WINDOWS_MACHINE/SHARE_NAME
[0:54] <clear`> windows should already be setup, shouldnt need ip
[0:55] <Shamu2> credentials=home/username/.smbcredential$
[0:55] <Shamu2> what do i need here
[0:55] <Shamu2> oops
[0:55] <Shamu2> nm
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[0:56] <Shamu2> ok
[0:57] <frikinz> smbfs is not needed. you might need cifs-utils
[0:57] <frikinz> anyway it doesn't exist in raspbian
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[1:00] <frikinz> FunkyELF: how will you do with multiple receiver? pulseaudio?
[1:01] <FunkyELF> frikinz: that is what I'm trying to figure out. Apparently pulseaudio over wireless is not a solution. They will get out of sync and echo
[1:04] <frikinz> http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/journal//whole-home-pulseaudio.html
[1:05] <frikinz> but probably this is over ethernet
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[1:08] <FunkyELF> perhaps squeezebox will work better over wifi.. I need to read up on it
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[1:14] <Shamu2> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //server/share,
[1:14] <Shamu2> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[1:14] <Shamu2> (for several filesystems
[1:16] <Shamu2> thats what im getting, not sure on my fstab entry
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[1:18] <rossw> Shamu2: you are trying to mount a samba share or?
[1:18] <Shamu2> yes
[1:19] <Shamu2> /server/share /pathto/mountpoint cifs credentials=/home/username/.smbcredentials 0 0
[1:19] <Shamu2> not sure about /pathto/mountpoint
[1:19] <rossw> silly question but you have cifs installed right?
[1:19] <rossw> not sure how?
[1:20] <Shamu2> path to...
[1:20] <Shamu2> i have my external HD connected to a windows PC that i want my pi running mpd to stream music
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[1:20] <Shamu2> my /pathto/mounpoint would be \\BRANDON-PC
[1:20] <Shamu2> ?
[1:21] <rossw> Shamu2: no it would be where you want it mounted on your pi
[1:21] <rossw> so /mnt/musicserver
[1:21] <rossw> //server/share would be //BRANDON-PC/music
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[1:21] <Shamu2> AHAH
[1:21] <Shamu2> thanks
[1:21] <Shamu2> lemme give it a go
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[1:22] <rossw> then you would create mpd playlists and stuff from /mnt/musicserver
[1:22] <Shamu2> says it doesnt exit
[1:22] <Shamu2> exist
[1:22] <rossw> what doesnt?
[1:22] <Shamu2> mountpoint
[1:22] <rossw> if /mnt/musicserver doesnt, mkdir /mnt/musicserver
[1:22] <rossw> or whatever you want to call it
[1:23] <Shamu2> ok
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[1:24] <rossw> did it work?
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[1:25] <UnaClocker> Got my first lapdock adapter today.. 3 more to go..
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[1:25] <Shamu2> still giving me fstab error
[1:25] <Shamu2> i gotta take a break
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[1:26] <Shamu2> what do i need for //server/share
[1:26] <rossw> it would be like //BRANDON-PC/music
[1:26] <Shamu2> lets see
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[1:28] <Shamu2> bad superblock
[1:28] <Shamu2> ?
[1:28] <Shamu2> :o
[1:29] <pksato> Shamu2: that exact you put on fstab?
[1:29] <rossw> Shamu2: maybe its not recognising BRANDON-PC, try the ip?
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[1:30] <Shamu2> its actually I:\ that that music is on
[1:30] <Shamu2> so
[1:30] <rossw> it is shared right? dumb question i know
[1:31] <Shamu2> its shared yes
[1:31] <rossw> okay, sorry
[1:31] <rossw> then try //IP/sharename
[1:31] <rossw> with the ip for BRANDON-PC
[1:32] <Shamu2> ok
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[1:32] <rossw> paste the whole fstab entry for pksato, he/she may be able to help better than i can
[1:33] <iamtheric> i have a very bizzare problem with scummvm
[1:33] <iamtheric> sound only works with root via ssh -X
[1:33] <Shamu2> how do i copy text in nano
[1:33] <Shamu2> any way?
[1:33] <Shamu2> \\BRANDON-PC\i\Music /mnt/musicserver cifs credentials=/home/username/.smbcrede$
[1:33] <iamtheric> not root locally or i always get the "WARNING: SDL mixer output buffer size: 1024 differs from desired: 2048"
[1:33] <rossw> highlight it
[1:33] <rossw> then right click to paste
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[1:34] <pksato> on credentials=/home/username/.smbcred
[1:34] <rossw> Shamu2: forward slashes and try the ip, and you shouldnt need the drive, you should have set a sharename in windows?
[1:34] <pksato> username must be replaced by real username, or another path.
[1:35] <Shamu2> i do have a share name in windows
[1:36] <rossw> then itd just be //BRANDON-PC/sharename i believe
[1:36] <pksato> try:
[1:36] <Shamu2> the share name IS brandon-pc
[1:37] <rossw> then its //BRANDON-PC/brandon-pc?
[1:37] <pksato> mount -t cifs -o credentials=/[replace by correct path]/.smbcrede \\BRANDON-PC\i\Music /mnt/musicserver
[1:37] <rossw> sorry, im really not sure, its been a while, pksato can probably help you better
[1:38] <Shamu2> that goes in fstab correct?
[1:38] <pksato> test fist with manual mount.
[1:39] <rossw> if you run smbclient -L brandon-pc in a terminal do you get anything?
[1:39] <rossw> apparently that should list all available shares
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[1:42] <Shamu2> pksato, what is the 'correct path'
[1:42] <Shamu2> correct path to what
[1:42] <pksato> its is you system.
[1:43] <Shamu2> ?
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[1:44] <rossw> he means like /home/username/.smbcrded
[1:44] <rossw> just replace what he put by the correct path
[1:45] <Shamu2> /home/username
[1:46] <Shamu2> path to the smba share?
[1:47] <rossw> path to samba credentials files
[1:47] <rossw> containing your username and password
[1:47] <pksato> you created a credential file?
[1:47] <Eette> is there not a nslookup command on the pi?
[1:48] <Shamu2> .sambacredentials are in root of fs
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[1:49] <rossw> Shamu2: -o credentials= should point to your samba credentials file
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[1:49] <pksato> stop all.
[1:49] <pksato> forget all.
[1:50] <pksato> Shamu2: you wich to mount a share on windows machinne?
[1:50] <rossw> Eette: apparently apt-get install dnsutils
[1:50] <rossw> will include it
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[1:50] <melow01> what is triggerhappy?
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[1:50] <Shamu2> pksato, yes
[1:51] <Eette> rossw: thank you! :)
[1:51] <rossw> Eette: no problem, hope it works
[1:51] <pksato> Shamu2: name of windows machinne?
[1:51] <pksato> name of share?
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[1:51] <Shamu2> pksato, BRANDON-PC
[1:51] <pksato> need a username and a password, or is a guest share?
[1:52] <Shamu2> yes, username and pw
[1:52] <Primer> I don't suppose anyone knows if Pis are available in stores yet? Or are the only available online? I just hate waiting :)
[1:52] <pksato> 'i" is name of share?
[1:52] <Shamu2> yes
[1:52] <dr_willis> Not ever heard of them being in any stores.
[1:53] <rossw> Primer: depends where you are, maplin in the uk, you can buy them from the store
[1:53] <Primer> I'm in Los Angeles
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[1:53] <rossw> oh
[1:53] <pksato> Shamu2: creante a mount point, mkdir -p /mnt/brandon-pc/i/
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[1:53] <rossw> not sure then, i got mine from a store here though, they repackaged the pi and put it in a box with keyboard, mouse, hdmi lead, wifi dongle etc.
[1:54] <Primer> I really just want the board
[1:54] <Primer> Guess I'll just order it
[1:54] <Shamu2> pksato, yep
[1:54] <melow01> Primer, I'm in LA too... I ordered my Pi just before Christmas and received it last Friday.
[1:54] <pksato> and, mount -t cifs -o username="user-to-access-share",password="the password of share" \\BRANDON-PC\i /mnt/brandon-pc/i/
[1:54] <Primer> melow01: From what site?
[1:54] <pksato> if I remember...
[1:55] <melow01> Newark/Element14
[1:55] <melow01> Primer, Newark/Element14
[1:55] <Primer> yeah, they're east coast, IIRC
[1:55] <melow01> Primer, I also ordered the case for it but they didn't ship it till today
[1:55] <melow01> Primer, it came from one of the Carolinas, so yes... East Coast
[1:56] <melow01> how do I write a script for the Pi? #!/bin/bash ?
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[1:57] <Shamu2> it just gives me all the different mount usages
[1:57] <dr_willis> Heh - i ordered my Pis in July.. got them in Dec. ;)
[1:57] <Shamu2> like im not using mount correctly or something
[1:57] <dr_willis> but at least they were the 512mb versions
[1:57] <rossw> melow01: if you want to use bash, sure
[1:57] <rossw> melow01: its really just a linux box, you can use any scripting language you like, bash, python, perl etc.
[1:58] <axion> yeah, the pi is not an operating system
[1:58] <melow01> rossw, I did a 'echo $PATH' but I don't think /bin/bash is in the PATH
[1:58] <dr_willis> 'just' a linux box? ;) Blasphmy.
[1:58] <Shamu2> pksato, **
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[1:58] <rossw> dr_willis: sush :P
[1:58] <dr_willis> try 'which bash'
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[1:58] <melow01> oh right
[1:58] <rossw> shush*
[1:58] <melow01> dr_willis, thanks
[1:59] <rossw> /bin/bash wouldnt be in the path would it?
[1:59] <rossw> nevermind, stupid me
[1:59] <pksato> Shamu2: mount -t cifs -o username="user-to-access-share",password="the password of share" //BRANDON-PC/i /mnt/portao/
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[2:00] <Shamu2> /mnt/portao/ does not exist
[2:01] <rossw> youd have to make the directory on your pi
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[2:01] <pksato> obvious.
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[2:01] <Shamu2> bad fs type
[2:01] <Shamu2> i think i know hold up
[2:02] <Eette> rossw: installing dnsutils did indeed include the nslookup command. thanks again. :)
[2:02] <rossw> Eette: great :) no problem, its amazing what you can find out from google! :)
[2:02] <Shamu2> but i dont
[2:02] <pksato> Shamu2: you copy and past my commands?
[2:03] <Shamu2> yes
[2:03] <Shamu2> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on \BRANDON-PCi,
[2:03] <Shamu2> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[2:03] <Shamu2> (for several filesystems (e.g. nfs, cifs) you might
[2:03] <Shamu2> need a /sbin/mount.<type> helper program)
[2:03] <Shamu2> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[2:03] <Shamu2> dmesg | tail or so
[2:04] <pksato> NEVER, copy and past commands from a irc channel (or others). If you dont understand that it do.
[2:04] <Shamu2> i understand that right there doesnt have anything that will give any info away
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[2:04] <Shamu2> :o
[2:04] <dr_willis> they need to really make that message say mount: (generic error message, dont bother to paste this) Wrong Fs Type, Bad option, you did somthing WRONG!..,,,
[2:04] <dr_willis> ;)
[2:04] <Shamu2> thats what i figured, dr willis
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[2:05] <pksato> Shamu2: which mount.cifs , show path to mount.cifs?
[2:06] <Shamu2> i need a break for a bit ill brb
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[2:17] <rossw> so ive just set up my first raspberry pi, what fun things are you all using yours for? i need some inspiration, right now it just runs irc :P
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[2:18] <clear`> xbmc
[2:18] <dr_willis> xbmc on one, irc/znc on my other
[2:19] <rossw> do you use it for live tv?
[2:19] <ShiftPlusOne> Is there a way to use rpi to update to the latest firmware in the 'next' branch without specifying the git hash?
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[2:26] <dniMretsaM> ShiftPlusOne: you can clone specific git branches with the -b option
[2:27] <ShiftPlusOne> sorry, I meant to say "to use rpi-update"
[2:27] <dniMretsaM> oh, ok
[2:27] <dniMretsaM> then I'm not sure
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[2:27] <ShiftPlusOne> doesn't look like it from the source anyway.
[2:28] <dniMretsaM> (this is when you add that feature for everyone else to enjoy)
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[2:29] <dniMretsaM> what is rpi-update written in? C?
[2:29] <ShiftPlusOne> just a bash script
[2:30] <ShiftPlusOne> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
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[2:30] <dniMretsaM> orly?
[2:31] <dniMretsaM> I've never done BASH scripting, odly enough
[2:31] <dniMretsaM> s/odly/oddly/
[2:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, adding the mentioned feature is a great way to get started!
[2:32] <dniMretsaM> I just started learning C++, so I think I'll stick with that
[2:32] <dniMretsaM> although adding an option to update to the next branch probably wouldn't be very intensive
[2:33] <ShiftPlusOne> not at all
[2:33] <dniMretsaM> maybe I'll read through the source later and see what I can come up with
[2:39] <clear`> Shamu2
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[2:41] <dniMretsaM> that was random, clear`
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[2:42] <clear`> he was trying to setup a windows share
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[2:42] <dniMretsaM> that was yesterday, wasn't it?
[2:42] <clear`> seems like there is a bug with cifs
[2:43] <clear`> maybe so, but we were just talking about it a few mins ago
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[2:44] <ShiftPlusOne> If you're in a timezone where it's 1AM-ish, then yeah that was yesterday.
[2:44] <dniMretsaM> oh, I totally missed that. fail
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[2:46] * ShiftPlusOne resists the urge to send a board he fried back as dead on arrival >.>
[2:48] <dniMretsaM> good boy, ShiftPlusOne
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[2:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Looks like the firmware is in the 'next' branch for a reason. Getting "uncompression error" before the kernel gets a chance to boot
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[3:11] <Datalink> is there a way to unpause an HP cups printer from commandline?
[3:12] <alexhairyman> sudo systemctl kill cups.service maybe
[3:12] <alexhairyman> oh, unpause
[3:14] <Datalink> alexhairyman, yeah, the duct tape's on too hard, I need some WD-40 here...
[3:14] <Datalink> this is rasbian
[3:14] <alexhairyman> oops, sorry :(
[3:16] <Datalink> I use my Pi as a printserver when I'm not abusing it... and I needed to print something, lo and behold, forgetting to have it in the right port is bad because HP's printer drivers on all OSes have no idea why you would plug a device into a different USB port... so I am stuck with a paused printer, and minimal experience with cups is limited to actually getthing my windows computer to see the printserver as a web interface printer... and I r
[3:16] <Datalink> eally just need to unpause the thing
[3:16] <Datalink> alexhairyman, don't worry, heh
[3:17] <Datalink> I think I reached that "I expect you to die" point in trying to fix the problem though XD
[3:17] <Datalink> appologies for monologing
[3:19] <alexhairyman> actually, I just set cups up today on my desktop, what a weird coincidence
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[3:20] <rikkib> Re-did the filters on my outdoor web cam. Two layers. The lens of an old pair of sunglasses inside a cover of dark perspex... http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/
[3:20] <pksato> http://techgage.com/news/ces-2013-kingstons-hyperx-predator-flash-drives-go-to-1tb-yes-1tb/
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[3:22] <Datalink> alexhairyman, is there a way to do it without Kerberos, my luck with that auth system's been... well let's just say I'd rather have my teeth pulled
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[3:28] <home> hey guys
[3:28] <home> I need some help
[3:28] <atouk> anyone run rpi-update today? getting a funky error
[3:28] <home> I want to power the raspberry pi from these 4 double a batteries
[3:28] <brady2600> rikkib,
[3:28] <home> should I do it from the GPIO or the usb?
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[3:29] <rikkib> :)
[3:29] <home> ...
[3:29] <home> I want to run t from GPIO
[3:29] <rikkib> Like my antenna
[3:29] <home> since I have no way to power ti from the usb
[3:29] <home> without cutting a miniusb cable XD
[3:29] <brady2600> would you know of what kind of filter would be right for a webcam pointing under a 1000w bulb?
[3:30] <brady2600> yeah nice antenna, what is it for?
[3:30] <rikkib> Ham bands 20 15 & 10 meters
[3:30] <atouk> brady2600, 18 ga aluminum?
[3:30] <pksato> home: need a UBEC or similar to power RPi from battery.
[3:30] <rikkib> I just use dark plastic
[3:30] <home> UBEC?
[3:30] <rikkib> record cover lids sore of thing
[3:31] <rikkib> sort
[3:31] <rikkib> I have 4 mil dark plastic (perspex) here
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[3:32] <rikkib> Not really dark
[3:32] <rikkib> shaded
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[3:32] <Torikun_> yo
[3:33] <rikkib> Used a jiffy box to house a cheap cam
[3:33] <rikkib> Made a new lid out of dark perspex
[3:33] <home> I don't have a UBEC
[3:33] <home> now what?
[3:33] <home> how will I power the RPI XD
[3:34] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-outdoor.jpg
[3:34] <rikkib> already out of date as I made a new lid of dark perspex... The old was clear.
[3:35] <rikkib> and added the shades lens
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[3:35] <rikkib> No filters... No pic just white
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[3:36] <pksato> home: it is a ubec http://dx.com/p/8s-5a-switch-mode-ultimate-bec-ubec-45214
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[3:37] <home> hmm
[3:37] <home> I don't have one
[3:37] <home> now what?
[3:38] <Torikun_> Anyone running a time machine server?
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[3:40] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-PCS-LLOT-LM2596-DC-DC-Converter-Power-Supply-Buck-Step-Down-Module-4-40V-to/526499533.html
[3:41] <rikkib> That ubec rating is questionable
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[3:41] <home> I can;t buy anything
[3:41] <home> where can I find UBEC's around the house?
[3:42] <rikkib> Try pulling your toaster apart... I am joking of course.
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[3:42] <dniMretsaM> you could check between the couch cushions
[3:43] <home> XD seriously :D
[3:43] <rikkib> Money in the couch buys UBEC
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[3:44] <rikkib> Scrounge money buy UBEC
[3:44] <home> can't atm
[3:45] <rikkib> Old atx supply
[3:45] <rikkib> old hdd as load
[3:46] <rikkib> 5v usually red
[3:46] <rikkib> 1A fuse to be safe
[3:47] <home> old atx supply
[3:47] <rikkib> computer power supply
[3:47] <home> hmm
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[3:47] <rikkib> do you own a mutli meter?
[3:47] <dr_willis> got a lot of those around here
[3:48] <home> yeah
[3:48] <home> I got a multimeter..
[3:48] <dr_willis> stick a pi in a fullsized pc case. ;)
[3:48] <rikkib> something will an fuse holed to pillage
[3:48] <rikkib> with
[3:48] <rikkib> holder
[3:49] <rikkib> damn dyslexic mind
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[3:50] <rikkib> dr_willis, Interesting idea
[3:50] <rikkib> stick half a dozen
[3:50] <dr_willis> found and old all clear case last week
[3:50] <dr_willis> i can drill and tap holes in it
[3:51] <rikkib> Add a subframe
[3:51] <rikkib> to hold rpi
[3:51] <rikkib> and other stuff
[3:51] <rikkib> server reboot kit
[3:51] <dr_willis> pi can fit in a drive bay.. add moar pis make super pi!
[3:52] <home> ....
[3:52] <home> so :D
[3:52] <dr_willis> sugar cream pi!
[3:52] <home> how am I going to power this from 4 AA Bateries that are rated at 1.2V
[3:53] <rikkib> Rebooting servers remotely has always been a cost you exercise
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[3:58] <rikkib> soldering iron and in old switch mode
[3:58] <rikkib> find bit with three leads and 7805 or xx05 on it
[3:59] <atouk> not sure how long 4 AAs will even last powering a pi
[3:59] <rikkib> I'd say measured in minutes
[4:00] <home> atouk: What can I do
[4:00] <home> got no LiPO batteries :/
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[4:02] <pksato> q/quit
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[4:03] <jimerickson> using rpi-update on 512 MB model B. getting lots of conflict warnings and fails to update. is rpi-update currently broken or am i doing it wrong?
[4:03] <piney> home, have a car phone charger around? they have a ubec in them (it might be enough current, would have to check)
[4:05] <timmmaaaayyy> i have a linux question that's not really geared towards the pi, but i feel this is a good place to ask. for a vm on my macbook, what would i select when downloading debian? amd64, armel, kfreebsd-i386, kfreebsd-amd64, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, sparc? (http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/)
[4:05] <home> piney: maybe for an Iphone
[4:05] <piney> home, that might work
[4:05] <home> its in the car obviously
[4:05] <home> but could I hook that up to my 4AA battery?
[4:06] <piney> would require taking it apart i would think
[4:06] <piney> and, es possibly
[4:06] <piney> yes*
[4:06] <piney> depends on the ic in it
[4:06] <ShiftPlusOne> timmmaaaayyy, amd64 for 64bit or i386 for x86
[4:06] <piney> if it has enough current to power the pi, and it can accept that input voltage
[4:06] <timmmaaaayyy> ahhh ok. the amd threw me off. wasn't sure if that was only for machines with amds?
[4:07] <timmmaaaayyy> thanks ShiftPlusOne
[4:07] <ShiftPlusOne> np
[4:08] <atouk> anyone seen this error on rpi-update
[4:08] <atouk> fatal: git fetch-pack: expected shallow list
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[4:24] <home> okay
[4:24] <home> piney: will try to find one
[4:24] <home> brb
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[4:27] <home> it says
[4:28] <home> INPUT DC - 12V24V
[4:28] <Auto9211> Hi! Anybody bored and want to talk / help me figure out if running an Raspberry Pi with OpenELEC and an Asus U3100 Mini Plus / Akasa external smartcard-reader would work for my purposes? Got a compatible powered USB-hub as well. What I want to do is to be able to watch TV via my RPi, record TV, use EPG-features and so on. Pref. I would like everything to run from one RPi box meaning both
[4:28] <Auto9211> frond-end and back-end. If it would be possible to simply build another RPi and share the TV it would be awesome too. As I understand it the tuner would be compatible as it is listed here: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices (please search for 3100)
[4:28] <home> output- DC 5V+-5%
[4:28] <home> Auto9211: NO
[4:28] <Auto9211> home: Why?
[4:29] <home> no
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[4:30] <Auto9211> home: Well can you tell me WHY it won't work and WHAT won't work? I.e. is the tuner not compatible or is the entire setup not possible?
[4:30] <home> crap
[4:30] <home> oops
[4:30] <home> I mean the linear v reg won't work
[4:30] <home> Auto9211: sigh...I don't know
[4:31] <UnaClocker> YouTube commenters are such morons.
[4:31] <Auto9211> home: ok so your reply didn't have anything to do with my post?
[4:34] <Auto9211> Well OK, this was quite.... weird.
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[4:40] <home> Auto9211: you are weird
[4:41] <Auto9211> home: That might very well be the case but yelling "NO" straight off the bat strikes me as weird
[4:41] <home> no
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[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> This channel is strange around this time =/
[4:43] <confuzled> does anyone here use darkelec
[4:43] <confuzled> i am looking for some nightlies but im not seeing any
[4:43] <confuzled> im thining an outdated darkelec might not be better then a nightly openelec
[4:43] <ShiftPlusOne> confuzled, does it actually differ from the regular openelec in any meaningful way?
[4:44] <confuzled> specifically optimized from openelec i guess
[4:44] <confuzled> lower cpu resources needed
[4:44] <confuzled> (or so i read)
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[4:44] <ShiftPlusOne> what's there to optimize?
[4:45] <Auto9211> Does not OpenELEC has a own build for RPi? Meaning that it is already optimized?
[4:45] <confuzled> no clu
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[4:46] <Auto9211> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
[4:46] <Torikun_> i liked openelec the best as a media center
[4:46] <Torikun_> Anyone running time machien server or apache?
[4:46] <Auto9211> I'm quite the newbie but both Raspbmc and OpenELEC are basically XBMC right? So whats the difference?
[4:47] <Torikun_> openelec is it;s own Distro I guess
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> Auto9211, raspbmc is raspbian based
[4:47] <Torikun_> not based on raspian
[4:47] <Auto9211> ah. but to me as a newbie it basically all looks "XBMC" correct?
[4:47] <ShiftPlusOne> openelec is built from scratch and is a read-only distro
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[4:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Auto9211, I haven't used raspbmc, but I would imagine that you can apt-get install stuff and use it as an everyday distro as well.
[4:48] <Auto9211> if you are refering to a GUI Linux like desktop environment like Ubuntu then no, its simply XBMC. AFAIK anyway.
[4:48] <confuzled> im having network streaming issues
[4:49] <confuzled> 720p video is stuttering
[4:49] <confuzled> any suggestions
[4:49] <Auto9211> wifi or cable?
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[4:49] <Torikun_> If your wifi, use N if possible
[4:49] <home> lol
[4:49] <home> G all the way
[4:49] <home> anywya
[4:49] <home> anyway
[4:49] <Torikun_> lol
[4:49] <Torikun_> my duaghter used to stream at G with no problem
[4:50] <home> linear reguator..urgh heat
[4:50] <confuzled> well...im a g, but im using wired
[4:50] <confuzled> giga (not that it matters
[4:50] <dr_willis> You can apt-get install stuff in xbian - and I think in raspbmc also
[4:50] <confuzled> nothign is wrong with my network
[4:50] <ShiftPlusOne> Auto9211, btw, you might want to ask your question in #openelec, but I think the answer is no.
[4:50] <confuzled> i can stream fine to my table two laptops and a desktop
[4:50] <Auto9211> ShiftPlusOne: Im at openelec, raspbmc, this one and linuxtv, no answer so far :/
[4:50] <Torikun_> whatm edia player you using confuzled
[4:50] <Auto9211> Oh but thats to my original question above
[4:51] <Torikun_> omxplayer is the only one that works
[4:51] <Torikun_> confuzled: omxplayer is the only one that works. VLC has not been coded for the PI yet and others...
[4:51] <confuzled> im using xbmc but i fear thats not what your aslking
[4:51] <Torikun_> ah then it is not a player issue
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[4:52] <dr_willis> ive had issues with omxplayer and some of my files. ;)
[4:52] <Torikun_> like what dr_willis
[4:53] <confuzled> on my buds end he can watch 720p fine, but not 1080p without lag
[4:53] <Torikun_> what connection
[4:53] <dr_willis> Torikun_: video will play for about 20-60 sec then omxplayer just stops. no errors no messages. dosent go to next player.. just stops. xbmc still works and can go to the next vbideo in the playlist
[4:53] <confuzled> wired giga in each case
[4:53] <Torikun_> hmmm wow
[4:53] <dr_willis> these are SD videos. 640x480 res. DIVX video. mp3 audio
[4:53] <confuzled> streaming from a synology 1512+ in my case, ds413 on his end
[4:54] <dr_willis> i was using xbian to stream from one pi to a 2nd pi running Openelec. :)
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[4:55] * Torikun_ stopped using the PI as a media center and went back to WD TV LIVE for stability and speed
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[4:57] <dr_willis> I have several media player boxs ;) Boxeebox. 2 rokus, an old O!-play thats the wifes favorite. Been trying to train her to use XBMC. :)
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[4:57] <Torikun_> lol
[4:57] <Torikun_> INice
[4:57] <Torikun_> I liekd the xbmc app for android
[4:57] <dr_willis> got an XIOS the other day also.. it has even more issues the the Pi.
[4:58] <dr_willis> its running Android 4.0.4 and xbmc
[4:58] <Torikun_> anyone running netatalk or apache on the pic?
[4:59] <home> HEY GUYS!
[4:59] <home> omg
[4:59] <home> how do I ssh into the raspberry pi via usb?
[4:59] <Coburn> via putty
[4:59] <Torikun_> that is an interesting topic home, I want to know =)
[4:59] <Coburn> wait
[5:00] <Coburn> via usb?
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[5:00] <Coburn> you'd smoke it
[5:00] <home> smoke it?
[5:00] <Coburn> if you're referring to ssh in via the microusb cable, you can't
[5:00] <Coburn> that's power only
[5:00] <home> nvm
[5:00] <home> it finally got AP mode
[5:00] <home> going to use rasp pi as an AP
[5:00] <cincinnatus> I'm a Pi n00b - so I burned an image, hooked it up, turned it on - no signal. The TV says "Detecting" for a bit and then goes to no signal
[5:00] <Coburn> enjoy your poor i/o
[5:01] <Coburn> well
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[5:01] <Torikun_> The PI sucks for IO
[5:01] <cincinnatus> If I power it off and then back on, the same thing happens - Detecting to no signal
[5:01] <Torikun_> Trust me , I tried
[5:01] <Torikun_> Do not use it as a NAS lo
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[5:01] <Coburn> I'm going to use a R-Pi as a gateway to my parent's work
[5:01] <bjp> can Raspbian do youtube?
[5:02] <Coburn> unlikely
[5:02] <Coburn> youtube videos require more power than 700mhz arm
[5:02] <Coburn> and they aren't h264 i don't think
[5:02] <Coburn> by gateway, I mean as in, connect to it, then I have access to the internal network
[5:02] <cincinnatus> Coburn: I don't think CPU is the problem - I remember playing youtube videos on a Crackberry... But there's no Flash for ARM.
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[5:03] <confuzled> is seeking pretty much out ofthe question right now for hd video
[5:03] <bjp> the xbmc plugin uses flash?
[5:03] <bjp> bummer
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[5:06] <Coburn> bjp: I could be wrong though. some videos are encoded in mp4 format, so... hmm.
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[5:09] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[5:09] <dr_willis> the xbmc on xbian had a youtube plugin that worked.. not sure how it got around flash. ;)
[5:11] <Zarek_> you can get the url of the [mp4|webm|flv] video from the youtube video page somehow and then just use another player to stream (or download then watch)
[5:12] <dr_willis> I have similer plugins for firefox. :)
[5:13] <dr_willis> bjp: so as far as i know.. No xbmc does not use flash
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[5:15] <clear`> xbmc is smart
[5:15] <Zarek_> "<cincinnatus> [...] But there's no Flash for ARM." | that's not true - there's flash for Android/ARM, just not Pi :P
[5:15] <clear`> so was apple
[5:15] <bjp> i didn't think it did
[5:15] <bjp> but the 'YouTube' plugin doesn't want to install
[5:15] <Zarek_> but yeah xbmc doesn't use flash
[5:15] <Gallomimia> if you want youtube, use keepvid.com or a similar service to download and then watch
[5:16] <Gallomimia> Coburn youtube videos run just fine for me, if i download them and play with omxplayer
[5:16] <Gallomimia> even full 1080p
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[5:17] <Coburn> Hm...
[5:17] <Zarek_> you can do on-demand youtube streaming, not sure how the YouTube XBMC plugin does it
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[5:17] <Zarek_> but you could hack up youtube-dl to just grab the video URL and give it to a media player of some sort that supports streaming
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[5:17] <Zarek_> not sure if omxplayer does
[5:18] <Gallomimia> i'm sure the magic of unix will handle that
[5:19] <Gallomimia> besides, with a download working sequentially, and the media player doing the same, as long as the download is faster than the bitrate of the file i think it should work fine
[5:19] <Gallomimia> if it plays incomplete files that were not finished downloading but stopped, why wouldn't it play files that are downloading while playing?
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[5:20] <dr_willis> Hmm. I used the youtube plugin on xbian or openelec a week or so ago.
[5:21] <dr_willis> Not tried it recently
[5:21] <Gallomimia> clear` agreed. open protocols or not at all.
[5:21] <Gallomimia> pi users unite!
[5:23] <atouk> open protocols are a myth. as soon as everyone agrees on hanshaking, you go to the south pacific and they stick their tongue out at you...
[5:23] <clear`> i just think flash is shit :P
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[5:25] <Gallomimia> i thought flash was THE shit when it was in version 1 and i was learning it
[5:25] <Gallomimia> what's it up to now? 11? 12?
[5:25] <Gallomimia> automatically bloat ware just from the number :P
[5:26] <Gallomimia> the court will NOT examine the evidence. this product is dismissed.
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[5:31] <home> getting packet loss
[5:31] <home> on my
[5:31] <home> rasp pi ap
[5:31] <home> weird
[5:31] <home> I never got that 0_0
[5:31] <cincinnatus> If I turn on the Pi, and there is no HDMI output, does it mean my PI is DOA?
[5:31] <home> Yes
[5:31] <home> sorry
[5:31] <Torikun_> you need a SD card in there cincinnatus
[5:31] <Gallomimia> if it's not open sourced, or at least open protocol/standard, then it goes in the shitcan. skype is another example
[5:31] <Gallomimia> no.
[5:31] <cincinnatus> I have one
[5:31] <Torikun_> any lights on the pi
[5:31] <Gallomimia> there's ah.... something. to check
[5:31] <cincinnatus> I downloaded Raspbian and copied it onto the card with dd
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[5:32] <Gallomimia> and try it with composite video if you can
[5:32] <Gallomimia> what was that hdmi problem
[5:32] <cincinnatus> Torikun_:The red light goes on
[5:32] <Gallomimia> just the red light?
[5:32] <cincinnatus> yes
[5:32] <Torikun_> ok
[5:32] <Gallomimia> there should be one more
[5:32] <cincinnatus> that's the pwr light
[5:33] <Gallomimia> there's 5 lights. the three towards the edge from pwr are for network. the one on the other side indicates io to the SD card
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[5:33] <Gallomimia> if you got nothing in that light it's a problem with your sd card. flashed wrong or incompatible or dead
[5:33] <Gallomimia> OR the sdcard slot is foobared.
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[5:33] <monkeymon> hi all
[5:33] <Gallomimia> hi
[5:34] <Gallomimia> hmmm. who's bitfolk
[5:34] <Gallomimia> how are they
[5:34] <dniMretsaM> hey monkeymon
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[5:34] <monkeymon> hmm?
[5:34] <dniMretsaM> just saying hello
[5:34] <monkeymon> seem fine so far. i just started using them.
[5:35] * Torikun_ hates apache on the raspberry pi so much
[5:35] <monkeymon> quick question. is redsleeve still the primary err redhatty linux distro out there?
[5:35] <monkeymon> whys it so bad T?
[5:35] <dniMretsaM> Torikun_: nginx ftw
[5:36] <Torikun_> monkeymon: httpd uses so many processes and it eats the memory for long periods of time
[5:36] <Torikun_> I have to tell cron to restart httpd every 30 min to keep my pi above 100MB ram
[5:36] <monkeymon> pretty unrad
[5:36] <cincinnatus> Gallomima: I see act, pwr, fdx, lnk, 100
[5:36] <Torikun_> each time you click on a link on rusher81572.com or visit it it uses a lot of memory
[5:36] <cincinnatus> Gallomima: which one is the sd card?
[5:36] <Torikun_> each click!
[5:36] <Torikun_> and it never frees !
[5:36] <cincinnatus> 100?
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[5:38] <Torikun_> how long is the wait to buy a pi now
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[5:40] <dniMretsaM> Torikun_: you'll probably get the Pi somewhere between 1 and 2 weeks
[5:40] <TAFB> newark canada has LOTS of Pi's in stock right now :) express next day shipping is $8 :)
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[5:40] <Torikun_> thanks
[5:40] <Torikun_> i may need a 512 mb pi 256mb pi sucks
[5:40] <dr_willis> Just what i need. :) moar pis.
[5:40] <Gallomimia> cincinnatus act is the sd. the fdx, lnk and 100 are all for the ethernet address
[5:40] <Torikun_> I got 2 at home already lol
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[5:40] <cincinnatus> Gallomima: I see like a tiny dot of light in act
[5:41] <cincinnatus> Gallomima: A tiny, tiny green dot
[5:41] <cincinnatus> but it doesn't light up like pwr
[5:41] <Gallomimia> hmmm this is beyond me
[5:41] <Gallomimia> mine flashes
[5:41] <dniMretsaM> I'll probably get another Pi when the model A's come out
[5:41] <TAFB> the dim dot is just normal power
[5:41] <TAFB> means nothing
[5:41] <Torikun_> model a has no ethernet
[5:41] <dniMretsaM> this I know
[5:41] <Torikun_> ok
[5:41] <Torikun_> lol
[5:41] <TAFB> if your Pi is not booting, format card FAT32 and throw on my diagnostic boot files, should boot and give you HDMI or composite output :)
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[5:41] <Gallomimia> whenever it uses stuff from the sd card. which it's booting from and swap is on, so....
[5:41] <monkeymon> how do i get a crate of them? :)
[5:42] <monkeymon> crate of PI's please.
[5:42] <Gallomimia> yeah me too monkeymon :)
[5:42] <Gallomimia> what are you planning? prefer private
[5:42] <cincinnatus> Is the Pi ESD-prone?
[5:42] <dniMretsaM> I still haven't figured out what to do with the one I have, though. the two project Ideas that I've had went down the tubes
[5:42] <monkeymon> ?
[5:42] <Gallomimia> cincinnatus i don't think so. mine hasn't been in a case at all
[5:42] <Torikun_> http://www.amazon.com/CY-Raspberry-Pi-Case-Blueberry/dp/B00A42HTLC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1357620122&sr=8-7&keywords=raspberry+pi+case
[5:43] <Torikun_> I will buy that one lol
[5:43] <monkeymon> nice heh
[5:43] <Gallomimia> supper time here. watching a video on my pi. it obscures chat so, talk later
[5:43] <dniMretsaM> I wonder how long we have to wait til we get cases with mounting points
[5:43] <monkeymon> i love the pibow
[5:43] <monkeymon> tru gangsta shit
[5:44] <Gallomimia> but monkeymon what are you gonna do with a whole crate of pis?
[5:44] <dr_willis> I got a case at amazon that has 2 holes for hanging on the wall.
[5:44] <monkeymon> oh!
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[5:44] <dr_willis> was on sale for $10 last week
[5:44] <monkeymon> heh. throwing a lightweight linux distro on and openframeworks
[5:44] <dniMretsaM> dr_willis: I mean for the holes in the rev2 boards
[5:44] <Gallomimia> haha
[5:44] <monkeymon> put some content on the sd's
[5:44] <dr_willis> dniMretsaM: Not seen any of those yet. ;)
[5:44] <cincinnatus> I think I got it figured out... The Pi might not support SDHC
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[5:44] <monkeymon> control them from my master machine
[5:45] <monkeymon> show control.
[5:45] <dniMretsaM> cincinnatus: it supports my SDHC (I) just fine
[5:45] <monkeymon> rock that 1080p
[5:46] <monkeymon> so yeah. a bunch would be fun. i have a ton of displays etc to play with
[5:46] <cincinnatus> It's a Dane-Elec PRO 200X SD-HC class 10, 32Mb
[5:46] <cincinnatus> ooops
[5:46] <cincinnatus> I mean 32Gb
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[5:47] <dniMretsaM> monkeymon: you could do one of those super computer things with all those Pis
[5:47] <home> oh my god
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[5:47] <home> the stupid wifi usb on the rpi
[5:47] <home> is having problems
[5:47] <dniMretsaM> cincinnatus: there is a compatibility list somewhere.
[5:47] <home> even at 100% signal
[5:47] <monkeymon> that would be an alternate configuration for my Piformer.
[5:48] <home> the ping/ access times to it are horrible
[5:48] <home> compared to a router
[5:48] <dniMretsaM> home: is it getting sufficient power?
[5:48] <home> I don't remember it being this retarded
[5:48] <home> yes
[5:48] <home> I have done it before
[5:48] <home> and it worked almost flawless
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[5:48] <dniMretsaM> a Piformer... that would be epic
[5:49] <monkeymon> haha
[5:49] <home> I think I applied reverse power current to the RPI
[5:49] <home> ...
[5:49] <monkeymon> well my idea of a piformer is just a fleet of pi's + accessories so you can make it into a crazy media thing or an array of machines etc
[5:49] <monkeymon> or making a transformer one would be fun too
[5:49] <home> or the wifi is just messed up :/
[5:49] <home> the pi was drawing like 5.2 V
[5:49] <home> 0_0
[5:50] <home> with usb :/
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[5:51] <cincinnatus> dniMrestaM: Dane-Elec 16Gb is supported
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[5:57] * dniMretsaM needs to come up with a new project idea for his Pi
[5:58] <cincinnatus> I think I'll try to re-download the image and re-flash the card
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[6:00] <monkeymon> so mm, have you followed the supercomputer projects people are doing then?
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[6:01] <dniMretsaM> the main one I know about is http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi/
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[6:04] <home> so
[6:05] <home> I tested the rpi with the batteries
[6:05] <home> it didnt work
[6:05] <home> as in
[6:05] <home> no ethernet or wifi
[6:05] <home> fuu
[6:05] <TAFB> what batteries?
[6:05] <home> fulll! too
[6:05] <TAFB> were you powering by GPIO?
[6:05] <home> no
[6:05] <home> usb
[6:05] <TAFB> what was your TP1-TP2 voltage?
[6:05] <home> 4.3 to 4.5
[6:05] <TAFB> lol.
[6:05] <home> even 3.7 maybe
[6:05] <home> lol
[6:06] <home> what does that mean?
[6:06] <TAFB> what is your D17 to F3 voltage (on sides closest to edge of board), check that.
[6:06] <home> thats new XD
[6:06] <home> how do I check that
[6:06] <TAFB> your polyfuse F3 might be freaking out and dropping your voltage :( easy fix tho
[6:07] <TAFB> on bottom of board, by microUSB jack, there are two chips, F3 *puke* and D17, touch probes to edges of those chips, like you tested TP1-TP2 ;)
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[6:08] <home> FD3
[6:08] <home> ?
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[6:09] <home> F3R51?
[6:09] <TAFB> FD3? right on BOTTOM of board, right by microUSB jack?!?!
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[6:09] <home> you said f3
[6:09] <TAFB> i did
[6:09] <TAFB> and d17
[6:09] <TAFB> f3 = green chip
[6:09] <TAFB> d17 = black chip
[6:09] <home> okay!
[6:10] <TAFB> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/7172845043_20f40c943b_z.jpg
[6:12] <home> so I touch
[6:12] <home> the sides of those chips
[6:12] <home> for both of them?
[6:13] <TAFB> what do you mean for both of them?
[6:13] <home> 1. Touch the sides of f3
[6:13] <TAFB> red probe goes to edge of F3, black probe goes to edge of D17
[6:13] <TAFB> the edges closest to the board edge.
[6:13] <home> oh
[6:14] <home> with usb power
[6:14] <home> I get 5.52 from my laptop
[6:14] <TAFB> yep
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[6:14] <TAFB> wow, that's scary
[6:15] <home> whats scary
[6:15] <TAFB> you've probably cooked your polyfuse F3 running it at that high of a voltage, which is causing your low voltage over TP1-TP2. it most likely will come back after being unpowered for like 12 to 24 hours.
[6:15] <TAFB> Maximum voltage for Pi should be 5.2v, polyfuse F3 self destructs at 5.3v
[6:16] <home> yeah
[6:16] <home> still get 5.6V
[6:16] <home> fuu
[6:16] <home> so
[6:16] <home> how worried should I be?
[6:16] <TAFB> not worried, like I said, polyfuse usually resets itself, and worse case, you can just bypass it (solder a wire from one side to the other).
[6:17] <TAFB> that's what I did
[6:17] <TAFB> what is F3-D17 when on your battery setup?
[6:17] <home> let me grab em
[6:17] <cincinnatus> I just had a D'OH! moment. I flashed the SD card wrong
[6:18] <cincinnatus> I should have copied the image to /dev/sdc, not /dev/sdc1
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[6:18] <dr_willis> Yep. ;)
[6:18] <cincinnatus> /dev/sdc1 is the fat partition
[6:19] <dr_willis> well it was. ;P
[6:19] <cincinnatus> it's a brand new card - no data was lost
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[6:19] <home> TAFB: 4.5
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[6:20] <home> what happens
[6:20] <home> if you put positive on ground
[6:20] <home> and ground on positive
[6:20] <home> for the GPIO?
[6:20] <TAFB> on your meter, or from the battery pack?
[6:20] <home> on my meter
[6:20] <TAFB> no harm done, it'll just show negative number on the meter
[6:20] <TAFB> if you feed power to GPIO backwards = one cooked Pi :(
[6:20] <home> i was smelling smoke
[6:21] <TAFB> possibly your probs touched two of the pins, causing a short or backfeed of power
[6:21] <TAFB> i would verify your USB and network stuff still work
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[6:23] <home> yeah
[6:23] <home> no
[6:23] <home> let me verify
[6:23] <home> the smoke wasnt coming from the pi
[6:23] <home> but the car charger
[6:23] <home> I hooked the car charger up to the battery
[6:23] <TAFB> i see
[6:23] <home> and I had the terminals otherway
[6:23] <home> so the heatsink and capcitor got hot XD
[6:23] <cincinnatus> dr_willis: dd is an easy tool to misuse... In the old days, I would sometimes use it to back up a small hard drive onto a larger one (for short-term storage). I would then mount the image.... But using dd in the other direction can be scary sometimes
[6:23] <home> and was giving of some smell
[6:24] <home> I hooked the pi to the usb
[6:24] <home> thinking it was normal
[6:24] <home> :/
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[6:24] <home> dd is messed up
[6:24] <home> but its cool how you can use it to image and clone...
[6:24] <cincinnatus> There's nothing messed up about it. It's just low level
[6:24] <home> anyway TAFB are you sure the polyfuse broke?
[6:24] <home> how is the RPI still turning on :o
[6:25] <cincinnatus> Saying it's messed up is like saying that C is messed up because it has pointer arithmetic
[6:25] <home> messed up = not necessarily a bad thing
[6:25] <TAFB> home: what was F3/D17 on battery? I didn't see.
[6:26] <home> it was 4.52
[6:26] <home> stabled aroud 4.5
[6:26] <home> from usb from lappy it was 5.5
[6:26] <home> 0_0
[6:26] <Gallomimia> i can tell you personally that 4.5V causes problems in the cpu
[6:27] <home> yeah
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[6:27] <Gallomimia> or... actually i suspect it's the sd io
[6:27] <TAFB> f3/d17 of 4.52 means it wasn't your polyfuse F3 causing the problem, your supply voltage is too low from the battery source.
[6:27] <home> I can test that
[6:27] <Gallomimia> which in turn causes the cpu to wait
[6:27] <home> then why was I getting 5.5?
[6:27] <home> I never got a number that high 0_0
[6:28] <TAFB> because you were measuring input voltage (F3/D17), not internal voltage (TP1-TP2)
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[6:28] <home> cool
[6:28] <home> wtf
[6:28] <home> internal voltage is 5.9
[6:28] <home> from usb
[6:28] <home> whats going on?
[6:28] <home> why mI getting such a high number 0_0
[6:29] <TAFB> is your meter on DC volts, 20v range?
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[6:29] <home> yeah
[6:29] <Gallomimia> cincinnatus did you get your pi to boot?
[6:29] <TAFB> i think your laptop is putting out too much USB voltage, something wrong with it
[6:29] <cincinnatus> the green light is blinking... So I'm sure it will boot
[6:29] <home> 0_0
[6:29] <TAFB> don't you have a cell phone charger you can try it with?
[6:29] <home> yep
[6:29] <home> let me try with that
[6:29] <home> and seee if I get the same thing
[6:29] <cincinnatus> (when I connect it to the TV)
[6:30] <home> 0_0
[6:30] <home> 6.23
[6:30] <home> HOLY
[6:30] <home> from wall
[6:30] <TAFB> i think ur meter is broke
[6:30] <home> ...:o
[6:30] <home> I have another one in the house
[6:30] <monkeymon> ha
[6:30] <home> but its in the basement :/
[6:31] <home> 6.23V
[6:31] <home> woah
[6:31] <home> and how does a meter brake :O
[6:31] <TAFB> I have a meter from China, when I measure the 12v in my car it says 31v ;)
[6:31] <home> this has always been reliable
[6:31] <home> and showed the right voltage :(
[6:32] <home> btw
[6:32] <home> a 1.2V battery
[6:32] <home> showed 1.5-1.6
[6:32] <home> on the meter
[6:32] <home> so you might be right 0_0
[6:32] <TAFB> could be your problem ;)
[6:32] <home> 1.7 now :D
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[6:33] <home> so
[6:33] <home> ar my batteries actually underpowered?
[6:33] <home> 0_0
[6:33] <piney> home, low battery possibly
[6:33] <piney> in meter
[6:33] <home> or its actually low battery in the actual batteries and the meter
[6:34] <piney> could be
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[6:34] <home> that still doesn't explain why I was getting high pings
[6:34] <sheldor> guys xbmc consumes 98% cpu even when it is doing NOTHING
[6:34] <home> and ssh problems
[6:34] <home> over wifi to it
[6:34] <sheldor> i dont want my rpi to burst in flames only by running xbmc 24/7
[6:34] <sheldor> do you have any recommendations what to do or can you confirm that behavior?
[6:34] <home> sheldor: its just an rpi
[6:34] <home> unlike me, I need an RPI working
[6:35] <home> to get something made
[6:35] <home> I would throw them out if I were using it for XBMC..
[6:35] <dr_willis> wife used openelec for about 4 days straight. but she had a few videos that would make it stop playing. :) so it perhaps played for 12+ hrs straight at a time
[6:35] <TAFB> sheldor: it's because it's drawing the screen 60 times per second, even when doing nothing ;)
[6:35] <sheldor> home: how is this relevant, it doesnt peak to 100% if i run other stuff
[6:35] <sheldor> home: and when i run no xbmc, just the shell or some apache or something it only stays around 1-10%
[6:35] <home> ....
[6:35] <home> duh
[6:36] <sheldor> home: "throw them out"?
[6:36] <home> its suppose to be that way
[6:36] <sheldor> oh, that causes it TAFB?
[6:36] <home> I always had full cpu usage while running xbmc
[6:36] <TAFB> yep
[6:36] <TAFB> it constantly refreshes the screen when idle
[6:36] <home> also, you can check the temperature
[6:36] <sheldor> maybe i can lower that to 30 and it looks still smooth
[6:36] <home> of the RPI
[6:36] <home> if you really are that worried...
[6:36] <home> thats a good idea
[6:36] <sheldor> what do you think TAFB
[6:36] <home> see how you can lower it to 30 :)(
[6:37] <TAFB> sheldor: who cares if it uses 100% cpu? you got web/email server running in the background?
[6:37] <sheldor> home: it is in the settings
[6:37] <sheldor> i saw it the other day
[6:37] <home> cool
[6:37] <home> do it
[6:37] <sheldor> TAFB: dude i dont want my rpi/house to burn
[6:37] <home> and see if it makes any difference
[6:37] <home> you know
[6:37] <sheldor> and yes i got webservers running which are slow if xbmc is at near 100%
[6:37] <TAFB> you can run RPI on 100% CPU/GPU/RAM/SDCARD burn test for months inside oven and it won't hurt it.
[6:38] <Gallomimia> the voltage on batteries varies wildly depending on the current you draw from it. volt meters draw very very little.
[6:38] <sheldor> rofl TAFB
[6:38] <TAFB> sheldor: you need two Pi's, one for XBMC and one for web/email server :)
[6:38] <sheldor> yeah i think so too TAFB
[6:38] <home> Gallomimia: :( I am sad
[6:38] <sheldor> on the other hand, what do you think about the 30fps idea?
[6:38] <TAFB> if you really want your web server to FLY, find Seagate GoFlex Home, makes the Pi look silly :) http://tafb.yi.org
[6:38] <home> Gallomimia: my Portable AP didnt work
[6:39] <home> TAFB: NICE
[6:39] <home> you made it look fancier! bravo +1
[6:39] <sheldor> interesting TAFB does it also consume little power and offer a full linux root account?
[6:39] <home> ..................
[6:39] <home> probably
[6:40] <TAFB> sheldor: it runs fresh install of Arch linux (you hack it and flash it! hehe). uses only slightly more power than the Pi (cause it uses regular hard drive, or laptop drive, or SSD like me).
[6:40] <TAFB> 1.2ghz
[6:40] <Gallomimia> define your "portable AP"
[6:40] <TAFB> SATA, USB2, Gigabit ethernet
[6:40] <TAFB> murders the Pi in everything it does.
[6:40] <sheldor> TAFB: whats its original purpose? NAS?
[6:40] <home> Gallomimia: as in, its a wifi ap
[6:40] <Gallomimia> so
[6:40] <home> Gallomimia: but currently, even with plugged in
[6:40] <sheldor> i like the new load screen TAFB
[6:40] <home> the connection is crap
[6:40] <Gallomimia> a wifi stick and a lan cardd?
[6:40] <home> a wifi stick on a pi
[6:41] <TAFB> my status page? thanks. runs really smooth with live updating now :)
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[6:41] <Gallomimia> someone once said the pi isn't fast enough to do NAT
[6:41] <Gallomimia> but i've seen it done on a 486 @ 33mhz
[6:41] <home> it can do NAT
[6:41] <sheldor> Gallomimia: every random 20Mhz router does it
[6:41] <TAFB> Gallomimia: the problem with the Pi is that the Ethernet runs on USB2 bus and it eats CPU, so if you have lot of network traffic, it maxes out CPU :(
[6:41] <sheldor> of course the rpi is fast enough for nat
[6:43] <home> it worked fast enough
[6:43] <home> right now
[6:43] <home> I might have messed it up
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[6:43] <Gallomimia> right
[6:43] <home> or my meter is broke
[6:43] <Gallomimia> and so is the wifi
[6:43] <home> yeah
[6:43] <home> I had high ping..
[6:43] <sheldor> hey is there any way to put xbmc in some kind of "standby" mode
[6:43] <sheldor> ?
[6:43] <Gallomimia> and it has only one bus
[6:44] <sheldor> so it consumes less cpu until i press a key
[6:44] <TAFB> sheldor: i wish :(
[6:44] <Gallomimia> usb i mean. the lan and the ports are all on the same "usb" channel
[6:44] <sheldor> damn that sucks
[6:44] <sheldor> TAFB: if it dims it doesnt consume less cpu?
[6:44] <home> you can kill it
[6:44] <home> temporarily, and restart it :D
[6:44] <home> or give less priority to it
[6:44] <TAFB> Gallomimia: I was running WiFi, USB SSD, and ethernet, and with all three on USB bus it slowed to a crawl.
[6:45] <TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg
[6:45] <sheldor> why is there no standby mode???
[6:45] <sheldor> it doesnt make sense
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[6:47] <home> sheldor: go code it in
[6:47] <home> if you have a problem :P
[6:47] <home> or fork XBMC
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[6:47] <sheldor> dude
[6:48] <sheldor> not having a standby mode is like...
[6:48] <sheldor> a car not having a break
[6:48] <aDro> Well now
[6:48] <sheldor> "if u dont like it then build your own break!"
[6:48] <sheldor> yes i dont like it
[6:48] <sheldor> imagine
[6:48] <sheldor> car builder
[6:49] <aDro> I have a stone attached to a rock
[6:49] <home> TAFB: what should I do :/
[6:49] <aDro> Any tutorials for attacking an old Laptop Moitor to the Raspberry Pi?
[6:50] <dr_willis> ive heard of dvi -> vga adaptors.. but never seen one.
[6:50] <TAFB> aDro: not possible
[6:50] <sheldor> whoa
[6:50] <sheldor> found something
[6:50] <TAFB> aDro: buy a Lapdock Atrix
[6:51] <sheldor> "dirty regions"
[6:51] <sheldor> https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/issues/607
[6:51] <TAFB> dirty dirty dirty
[6:51] <TAFB> i like dirty regions
[6:51] <TAFB> oh
[6:51] <TAFB> i see
[6:51] <dr_willis> Guy at work got a Atrix laptock/phone on clearance for like $50 for everything. ;)
[6:53] <home> nice
[6:53] <home> anyway
[6:53] <home> are we sure that the polyfuse is..messed up
[6:53] <home> because I have put 6.2V, if what the meter read is true...
[6:54] <TAFB> home: I already told you, it is not messed up, 4.5v input from battery = 4.5v internal voltage = polyfuse is fine, just your imput voltage from battery supply sucks bad
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[6:55] <home> okay
[6:55] <home> so the batteries need moar charging
[6:55] <home> okay!
[6:55] <home> I wil ltry with other set of batteries
[6:55] <TAFB> you said you were using 12v to USB adapter?
[6:57] <aDro> Where can I get an Atrix Lapdock for cheap?
[6:57] <TAFB> radio shack is blowing them out right now, $50 or less.
[6:57] <aDro> It seems reasonable that this products have increased in value for Pi users.
[6:58] <TAFB> yeah, motorola wasn't selling ANY Lapdocks for the phones!! so they started just blowing them out, then the Pi came along and they sold out of Lapdocks and couldn't figure out why!
[6:58] <dr_willis> aDro: He got his at the AT&T store closeout bin. ;( if i had seen it - i would have grabbed it.
[6:58] <TAFB> My friend bought some for $25 :)
[6:59] <Gallomimia> TAFB i am fortunate. my external drive currently being used is a NAS. separate bus ><
[6:59] <dr_willis> Id still like to see a 7in battery powered hdmi screen. basically a phone/tablet display without the tablet. ;)
[6:59] <Gallomimia> so badly.
[6:59] <Gallomimia> and if i must, make them myself.
[6:59] <home> okay
[6:59] <home> its official
[6:59] <SpeedEvil> I have just made a 528000mAh 5v battery supply.
[6:59] <home> my volt meter is messed up
[6:59] <home> yay
[6:59] <home> SpeedEvil: HOW
[6:59] <Gallomimia> and by make, i mean contract people out.
[6:59] <SpeedEvil> it is not very portable.
[7:00] <home> LOL
[7:00] <TAFB> SpeedEvil: that is some big mah ;)
[7:00] <Gallomimia> hahaha
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[7:00] <SpeedEvil> but would run a pi for about a couple of months.
[7:00] <Gallomimia> go search the web for tesla switch
[7:00] <Gallomimia> and see how long that will last to power your... anything.
[7:00] <sheldor> hey when i sudo shutdown -h now what exactly does the rpi do? i mean there is still a red led and it consumes some power
[7:00] <sheldor> ??
[7:00] <Gallomimia> halts the system.
[7:00] <Gallomimia> the OS stops running but the hardware still has power
[7:00] <Gallomimia> the pi has no control over it's power supply. you must unplug it
[7:00] <SpeedEvil> basically, two 110ah 12v batteries, and a SMPS
[7:01] <TAFB> sheldor: yep, still draws a bit of power, specs are post on rpi site (for idle power draw). ACT light blinks three times when shutdown is complete.
[7:01] <SpeedEvil> ~120 quid total.
[7:01] <Gallomimia> damn. that's going to clock for awhile
[7:01] <Gallomimia> but seriously SpeedEvil go find out what a Tesla Switch is.
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[7:02] <SpeedEvil> bullshit, from what I read initially
[7:04] <SpeedEvil> idiot that can't understand the limitations of his test equipment, or is intentionally attempting to mislead, on second
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[7:13] <Gallomimia> SpeedEvil i really don't think tesla was an idiot. you have power in your home because of him. and they apparently tested it at the electrodyne corporation for 3 years straight in 1902 or so
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[7:13] <SpeedEvil> I did not way Tesla was an idiot.
[7:13] <cincinnatus> Is it OK for the initial filesystem resize to take forever?
[7:14] <cincinnatus> oh... It just finished
[7:14] <cincinnatus> Forget it
[7:14] <SpeedEvil> he was a man of his time, building on the theories of his time. many of his hypothesis were mistaken.
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[7:15] <Gallomimia> he did do many wild and crazy things. this apparently works. i'm not going to believe it one way or the other until i try it myself
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[7:22] <monkeymon> hi
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[7:31] <Datalink> Gallomimia, I'm reaing through Tesla's book right now, man's a genius worthy of praise if a tad eccentric
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[8:03] <zerpex> Any that have ever ordered a raspberry pi from rs components?
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[8:09] <SpeedEvil> yes
[8:09] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGCB1MJ1-OU
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[8:15] <sheldor> lol SpeedEvil
[8:16] <sheldor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbn5rQVKj1Y
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[8:17] <wo0f> hi, is the pi setup to block incoming net requests by default?
[8:17] <wo0f> access to port 80 after installing apache is fine
[8:17] <wo0f> but not otheres
[8:17] <wo0f> others*
[8:17] <dr_willis> wo0f: the pi runs whaever OS you put on it.. so it depends on the os.
[8:17] <wo0f> is this a pi issue or a generic debian issue?
[8:17] <axion> the pi doesnt have a specific operating system
[8:18] <wo0f> debian
[8:18] <axion> debian is the same as debian elsewhere
[8:18] <dr_willis> I can access my pi with other ports. znc, ssh, and so forth.
[8:18] <dr_willis> using xbian, or rasbian here.
[8:18] <wo0f> dr_willis: from WAN?
[8:18] <dr_willis> I dont run a web server.
[8:18] <sheldor> every os "blocks" incoming request if there is no server listening on that port
[8:18] <dr_willis> I set up my router to port forward and i can ssh in, or znc in yes...
[8:18] <wo0f> sheldor: im talking about iptables really
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[8:19] <axion> check //etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow
[8:19] <sheldor> wo0f: why do you need iptables if there is no service listening?
[8:20] <wo0f> yeah, i have my router setup to forward specifically port 64738 to the pi. The pi accepts connections fine over the LAN but not from WAN
[8:20] <wo0f> sheldor: who said there was no service listening?
[8:20] <dr_willis> sounds like the routers not setup right.
[8:20] <wo0f> i dont think so
[8:20] <wo0f> this is the same for ssh also
[8:21] <dr_willis> Its working on lan, but not wan. points to a router/forwarding issue to me.
[8:21] <wo0f> yes it does sugguest that, however port 80 is routing fine
[8:21] <dr_willis> all i do is setup my router to forard port (for exampl 5555) to port 22 on the internl lan ip/(pi address) and i can ssh to my ip on port 5555 and i get to ssh on the pi
[8:22] <dr_willis> Its worked for znc, and ssh fine here. Ive never ran a web server on a pi.
[8:22] <wo0f> *hmmmm*
[8:23] <dr_willis> test by plugging in directly. bypassing the router perhaps.
[8:23] <sheldor> wo0f: most ISPs block several ports
[8:23] <sheldor> many even port 80
[8:23] <sheldor> so maybe thats why
[8:23] <wo0f> sheldor: thats not the issue :)
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[8:23] <sheldor> wo0f: how do you know?
[8:23] <axion> proove it
[8:23] <wo0f> dr_willis: i already am chatting to you via ssh- directly connected :)
[8:23] <dr_willis> i never use the standard ports for my forwarding. internal lan does.. but my rules go from like 5522 to 22 and 5599 to 99 and so on..
[8:24] <wo0f> ... prove it lol
[8:24] <wo0f> ?
[8:24] <wo0f> thats not the issue.
[8:24] <dr_willis> so it works without router.. dosent work with router.. ?
[8:25] <wo0f> dr_willis: yup, well works connecting from the LAN side of the router, not the WAN side
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[8:25] <wo0f> dr_willis: but port 80 does work correctly from the WAN side
[8:25] <sheldor> i say it is wo0f's ISP blocking the port.
[8:25] <wo0f> sheldor: shh noob
[8:25] <sheldor> lol
[8:26] <sheldor> you are the noob
[8:26] <axion> as do i
[8:26] <wo0f> hmmm i doubt
[8:26] <sheldor> wo0f: you may believe and doubt what you want but unless you have a reason dont expect anybody to follow you
[8:26] <axion> doubt all of us.
[8:26] <wo0f> sheldor: axion: simple- youre wrong
[8:26] <wo0f> its not my isp
[8:26] <dr_willis> nmap scan your ip from the outside and see whats seen perhaps.
[8:27] <sheldor> wo0f: what is the reason you believe that?
[8:27] <wo0f> sheldor: i don't believe; i know.
[8:27] <wo0f> dr_willis: will do (Y)
[8:27] <axion> you still have not shown me proof we are 'wrong'
[8:27] <sheldor> so it is a secret you dont want to share
[8:27] <sheldor> because you are the ISP or something but dont want to admit it
[8:28] <sheldor> for whatever reason
[8:28] <wo0f> sheldor: jesus, stop making a fool of your self
[8:28] <wo0f> (url removed)
[8:28] <wo0f> see for your self newbie
[8:29] <axion> so port 80 is not blocked by your isp
[8:29] <axion> and he's being more logical than yourself
[8:29] <sheldor> lol
[8:29] <sheldor> okay..
[8:29] <sheldor> sorry
[8:29] <wo0f> no worries :)
[8:30] <sheldor> wo0f: how is that link to your pi saying "it works" relevant to the discussion about your ISP probably blocking the port that is not 80, as is common?
[8:30] <axion> thats what i was wondering
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[8:31] <wo0f> ...
[8:31] <axion> you are asking about ports other than port 80, but you show us port 80 is not blocked. how is that even relevant?
[8:31] <wo0f> my isp does not block ports simple
[8:31] <wo0f> would i entertain the idea of buying a connection from an ISP that does? no.
[8:32] <axion> linux must be broken then
[8:32] <axion> sorry bud
[8:32] <wo0f> I'm sorry to be brash, but you won't accept my answer lol
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[8:33] <wo0f> but you guys are saying you can ssh from the net without any configuration in debian?
[8:33] <axion> of course
[8:33] <axion> it runs on 22 and is open by default
[8:34] <sheldor> rofl
[8:34] <sheldor> you simply bought it without giving a shit
[8:34] <sheldor> now you get the shit
[8:34] <wo0f> axion: yes at least to connections on the same subnet methinks
[8:34] <wo0f> sheldor: where are you from?
[8:35] <sheldor> usa
[8:35] <wo0f> US from look of your whois- its very rare you get an ISP in the UK that blocks ports :(
[8:36] <sheldor> wo0f: maybe you only think that
[8:36] <wo0f> only to some common p2p ports
[8:36] <sheldor> wo0f: did you ever verify? do you have any reason whatsoever for believing what you say?
[8:36] <axion> from ANY remote machine
[8:36] <sheldor> no offense but you seem to just make shit up as you are asked
[8:36] <axion> i am connected over than WAN right now. as are most of us here i would bet
[8:36] <wo0f> axion: hmmmm *puzzled*
[8:36] <axion> indeed
[8:37] <wo0f> sheldor: dude im a software engineering graduate
[8:37] <axion> they just handing them out these days?>
[8:37] <sheldor> lol
[8:37] <wo0f> sheldor: why the heck would i lie? to cut of my nose to spite my face???
[8:37] <wo0f> yeah sure they are lol.
[8:39] <sheldor> wo0f: i didnt say you lie, a lie would require you know what actually happens
[8:39] <wo0f> sheldor: okkkkkkkk lets have a little look shall we
[8:39] <wo0f> sheldor: http://help.talktalk.co.uk/app/answers/detail/a_id/552/~/blocking-ports
[8:39] <wo0f> sheldor: does this "conclusively" "prove" what i say?
[8:39] <wo0f> sheldor: lolz
[8:40] <sheldor> wo0f: look i dont care about facts at this point. the actual problem is you believe stuff without having a reason. doesnt matter if what you believe turns out true or false
[8:40] <wo0f> sheldor: dude, just sort it out
[8:40] <wo0f> sheldor: oh em gee
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[8:40] <wo0f> sheldor: looooooool
[8:40] <sheldor> now let me click that link
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[8:41] <cybertron> hi :)
[8:41] <axion> it is your router. i dont even get a reply from your ip on port 22. not blocked.
[8:41] <Gallomimia> hi
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[8:42] <Gallomimia> if no response, packets are dropped by the nat/firewall
[8:42] <axion> correcto
[8:42] <wo0f> axion: yeah thats the issue, you should be able to see its open- but the pi refuses the connection
[8:42] <Gallomimia> could be firewall in the system, or in the router
[8:42] <wo0f> axion: whereas port 80 connections go right through no trouble
[8:42] <Gallomimia> or, you could have forwarded it to the wrong ip
[8:43] <Gallomimia> or for that matter, it could be your isp. paranoid global firewalls suck
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[8:43] <wo0f> Gallomimia: I suspect its some sort of firewall on the pi issue, but not rules are defined in iptables so im confuzled!
[8:43] <Gallomimia> interesting fact: free wifi at mcdonalds blocks all outbound traffic on port 22
[8:43] <wo0f> no rules*
[8:43] <Gallomimia> well try it from another system on your LAN
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[8:44] <wo0f> Gallomimia: all connections work fine over LAN
[8:44] <Gallomimia> right. then the issue is just fine in the pi. double check forwarding in your route
[8:44] <Gallomimia> r
[8:44] <axion> so it is not the pi's firewall then
[8:44] <axion> is is the router's firewall/nat
[8:44] <Gallomimia> and try forwarding it to a different system and see if port 22 is just blocked
[8:45] <axion> or the isp
[8:45] <Gallomimia> you can set some other port to forward to the pi's 22
[8:45] <wo0f> Gallomimia: *trys*
[8:45] <Gallomimia> or if your router won't support that, open a different port for sshd and forward that
[8:46] <wo0f> ok so, i looked at my router and an ssh rule is not added
[8:47] <wo0f> which is fine-
[8:47] <wo0f> its port 64738 i wish to forward
[8:47] <wo0f> and that is forwarded correctly
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[8:47] <Gallomimia> unto port 22?
[8:48] <Gallomimia> i've seen routers that won't forward port x to port y. hate that :(
[8:48] <axion> cheap netgear is notorious for that
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[8:48] <wo0f> Gallomimia: axion: to say im using the router provided by my ISP, its rather full featured
[8:49] <Gallomimia> unbelievable :O
[8:49] <wo0f> Huawei HG523a
[8:49] <Gallomimia> it was a cisco branded cablemodem gigE+N wap that had the problem i described
[8:49] <axion> i use a dedicated linux box to route
[8:50] <Gallomimia> otherwise a very nice unit. but a seriously horrible piece of crashware.
[8:50] <wo0f> axion: you have cable then?
[8:50] <axion> ftth
[8:50] <Gallomimia> and when you have a modem that needs powercycling frequently, it's horrible to have it also be the head of your LAN
[8:51] <wo0f> axion: you have some sort of fiber modem in your linux box then?
[8:51] <wo0f> Gallomimia: yup :( I've been blessed in that regard.
[8:52] <Gallomimia> amazering
[8:53] <axion> wo0f: bridge
[8:53] <axion> why?
[8:54] <wo0f> axion: ah cool, just wondering. Here we're getting fttc rolled out
[8:55] <wo0f> axion: which obviously still requires a dsl component
[8:57] <Gallomimia> what's the c stand for??
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[8:58] <Xark> curb?
[8:58] <Gallomimia> maybe...
[8:58] <Gallomimia> F the dsl. run a 10gigE cable out there
[8:58] <wo0f> cabinet, so yeah curb essentially
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[8:58] <Xark> wo0f: Partial credit. :)
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[8:59] <Gallomimia> protux has problems :(
[8:59] <wo0f> or is it curb? ive always just assumed it stood for caninet, as thats where the DSLAM resides
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[9:01] <axion> its an abstraction that can mean several things
[9:01] <wo0f> what is?
[9:01] <axion> it just means it is outside the home, available to multiple customers
[9:01] <axion> the 'C'
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[9:02] <wo0f> abstraction?
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[9:02] <wo0f> according the the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x): it's curb :)
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[9:03] <axion> please read
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[9:04] <wo0f> axion: read what? im just disputing your use of the noun abtraction ;P
[9:04] <axion> Fiber to the curb (FTTC) is a telecommunications system based on fiber-optic cables run to a platform that serves several customers. Each of these customers has a connection to this platform via coaxial cable or twisted-pair. The "curb" is an abstraction and can just as easily mean a pole-mounted device or communications closet or shed.
[9:04] <axion> from the link you posted
[9:05] <axion> it is an abstraction, not to be taken literally
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[9:06] <Gallomimia> it stands for communications closet
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[9:07] * Xark licks his finger and marks a point. :)
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[9:10] <wo0f> axion: ah i see :), i would still dispute the grammer ;P
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[9:10] <axion> i would dispute your spelling
[9:11] <wo0f> axion: i you would be wise to do so :D
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[9:14] <wo0f> axion: sheldor: Gallomimia: ok so i think i solved my issue
[9:15] <Gallomimia> vas ist problem?
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[9:15] <wo0f> axion: sheldor: Gallomimia: connecting from a cloudbox works fine. so i guess its some sort of NAT issue on the router
[9:15] <Gallomimia> uh....
[9:15] <Gallomimia> that don't make much sense
[9:15] <Gallomimia> what sounds more likely is the ISP is blocking inbound connections from other residential lines
[9:15] <Gallomimia> but not on port 80?
[9:16] <Gallomimia> no that's weird
[9:16] <sheldor> wo0f: did you manage to open your port
[9:16] <wo0f> Gallomimia: connection from within the LAN to a hostname that routes over WAN didnt work. But connecting from a virtual machine i have in the cloud did work.
[9:16] <wo0f> sheldor: lol it was never closed.
[9:16] <Gallomimia> connecting from a datacenter
[9:16] <wo0f> Gallomimia: yeah somewhere in the cloud
[9:17] <wo0f> do any of you have a mumble client?
[9:19] <Gallomimia> yes but not going to work on this pi with no mic
[9:19] <Gallomimia> i am unable to connect to your ip from the port you mentioned
[9:19] <wo0f> Gallomimia: would you mind just trying to connect to (url removed) with it
[9:19] <wo0f> just to test if your connection is accepted
[9:19] <wo0f> (standard port)
[9:19] <Gallomimia> oh i got to something from my vps
[9:20] <Gallomimia> denied due to ip
[9:20] <axion> wo0f: ssh is now connecting
[9:20] <wo0f> axion: yup just added breifly to test :)
[9:21] <wo0f> Gallomimia: pardon me?
[9:21] <Gallomimia> i got a connection on your ssh port which was terminated by sshd
[9:21] <Gallomimia> from a vps
[9:21] <Gallomimia> same response from my home ip
[9:22] <Gallomimia> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[9:22] <axion> wo0f: a3-dyndns.org is resolving to a different IP though
[9:22] <axion> a3.dyndns.org rather
[9:22] <Gallomimia> happens when you have a deny list or the from ip is not in the allow list
[9:23] <axion> cancel that
[9:23] <axion> .tv
[9:23] <axion> my bad
[9:23] <wo0f> axion: a3.dyndns.tv
[9:23] <wo0f> :)
[9:24] <axion> i can connect to your ssh without error
[9:24] <wo0f> axion: sweet
[9:24] <wo0f> ssh works fine now :) its just connecting to mumble from the internet i need to check :)
[9:25] <axion> voice data tends to use UDP packets
[9:25] <Gallomimia> well i'm probably not trying from any usernames you have
[9:25] <axion> make sure you forward both tcp and udp
[9:25] <wo0f> ya both are defined
[9:25] <Gallomimia> i'm not connecting from the IP you see in my irc list
[9:26] <wo0f> Gallomimia: youre trying to connect to mumble?
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[9:30] <wo0f> axion: Jan 8 08:23:55 raspberrypi sshd[25199]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com
[9:30] <wo0f> :)
[9:31] <axion> glad to hear you learned NAT
[9:31] <axion> going to bed now
[9:31] <axion> good luck
[9:33] <sheldor> what was the problem now?
[9:34] <sheldor> also sorry for trying to get in with uid 0
[9:35] <wo0f> sheldor: sorry for doing what?
[9:38] <wo0f> sheldor: lol you noob
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[10:01] <gordonDrogon> 'morning..
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[10:05] <Gallomimia> Wo0f no i have been away. my pi hung for awhile so i went and bought energy drinks
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[10:06] <Gallomimia> going to try plugging in a mic
[10:07] <pfdotn> Hey folks.
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[10:08] <Gallomimia> hi
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[10:17] <Gallomimia> who here thinks i may be able to use an EDIROL UA-25 audio capture sound box with linux, raspbian, rPi?
[10:25] <tukkip> hi, im having a silly question
[10:25] <tukkip> how to give root privileges when user is connected via VNC and tries to change network-manager settings from GUI
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[10:46] <wo0f> tukkip: won't su work as usual?
[10:46] <wo0f> Gallomimia: Ah i see you connected! Thanks for trying :) :)
[10:47] <Gallomimia> root privs are pretty tough. gui isn't always good at getting them
[10:47] <tukkip> yeah i think so
[10:47] <Gallomimia> but at some point, i'm going to assume they need a password. is this your pi? have you changed the default user/password?
[10:47] <tukkip> nope
[10:48] <Gallomimia> raspbian?
[10:48] <tukkip> im using rasbian with default account 'pi' with all privileges
[10:48] <Gallomimia> i've never actually changed any network settings via gui
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[10:49] <Gallomimia> which reminds me. how do i delete an interface alias that i added days ago?
[10:49] <Gallomimia> oh i bet a reboot has cleared it
[10:49] <Gallomimia> indeed.
[10:49] <tukkip> i need network manager GUI coz my gf is conna use this more or less
[10:50] <Gallomimia> i wonder why you need the network reconfigured while someone is connected via VNC. that will become tedious
[10:50] <tukkip> i have also vpn connection
[10:50] <tukkip> and if it drops so she have to reconnect it
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[10:51] <Gallomimia> is she connected with kbd mouse display directly to the pi??
[10:51] <Gallomimia> where does the vnc come in
[10:52] <wo0f> tukkip: maybe this is of use to you: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gksu
[10:52] <tukkip> ty seems worth trying
[10:53] <tukkip> with kbd and mouse everything is ok but if she takes vnc connect from pc -> pi
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[10:53] <Gallomimia> just looking thru the network panel gui in raspbian. doesn't seem to ask for any passwords when playing with that
[10:53] <tukkip> then netwrok-manager is saying that "not authorized to control network"
[10:54] <Gallomimia> having trouble fathoming why do that. if you have a pc, why use a pi?
[10:54] <Gallomimia> unless.... it's way way older than i think
[10:54] <tukkip> its one of my servers
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[10:55] <tukkip> more ore less testing
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[10:55] <Gallomimia> i see. my network thing just asked for authentication
[10:55] <Gallomimia> the default password. which i assume you'll tell her?
[10:55] <tukkip> sure
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[10:55] <Gallomimia> but you're getting a different message? won't even ask for p/w?
[10:56] <tukkip> but via VNC manager aint gonna ask any passwords
[10:56] <tukkip> and thats the problems
[10:57] <Gallomimia> that i just don't know
[10:57] <wo0f> tukkip: maybe you can just add her account to sudoers, if shes trustworthy? ;P
[10:57] <Gallomimia> never tried vnc on a pi. and i have no other systems handy to do so
[10:57] <Gallomimia> wo0f the pi account is in sudoer
[10:57] <tukkip> she is using account 'pi'
[10:57] <wo0f> oh
[10:57] <tukkip> http://www.penguintutor.com/linux/tightvnc
[10:57] <Gallomimia> problem exists between vnc server and client
[10:57] <Gallomimia> (not keyboard and chair)
[10:58] <tukkip> there is my vnc startup
[10:58] <tukkip> defined as account pi also
[10:59] <wo0f> maybe you could use xrdp instead? i believe that uses the actual account rather than vnc user
[10:59] <wo0f> or add the vnc user to sudoers?
[11:00] <tukkip> but the vnc user is 'pi' also
[11:00] <tukkip> :)
[11:00] <wo0f> ohs
[11:00] <tukkip> but i dont know why the network-manager wont ask account / password when u are connected via VNC
[11:00] <wo0f> sorry then, i think ive misunderstood your Q
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[11:00] <wo0f> would you repeat it again? :)
[11:01] <wo0f> oh
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[11:01] <Gallomimia> from what i understand, the problem happens when network gui panel executes ask for password. when thru vnc, it just says no, instead of asking
[11:01] <tukkip> yes
[11:01] <tukkip> thats correct
[11:01] <Gallomimia> sounds major dumb
[11:02] <tukkip> and all the buttons are greyd out in network manager
[11:02] <tukkip> edit delete etc
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[11:03] <tukkip> only thru vnc. with kdb and mouse everything works fine
[11:03] <wo0f> hmmm
[11:04] <wo0f> which network manager are you using?
[11:04] <tukkip> network-manager-gnome
[11:04] <tukkip> with openvpn-plugin
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[11:06] <Gallomimia> the vpn tab in my network manager has no options which work :(
[11:07] <tukkip> you have to install network-manager-gnome-openvpn
[11:07] <wo0f> i may be wrong: but iirc doesnt vnc run as its own user?
[11:07] <tukkip> you network-manager-gnome-pptp
[11:07] <tukkip> or*
[11:08] <wo0f> so even know youre logging in as root, its actually the vnc user interacting with the system?
[11:08] <Gallomimia> oh. well, i don't need to. cause i don't want to use vpn's :P
[11:08] <tukkip> i think so
[11:08] <Gallomimia> one day. i will learn a lot more about those things. and be able to use them.
[11:08] <tukkip> so where should i give more privileges...
[11:09] <wo0f> so even though*** sorry for my spelling
[11:10] <wo0f> maybe you could test adding the vnc user to /etc/sudoers
[11:10] <Gallomimia> omg it's the internet and someone made a spelling/grammar error! let's burn the parthenon!!
[11:11] <wo0f> Gallomimia: :D, know instead of though is almost unintelligible, though :P
[11:11] <tukkip> gotta try ->
[11:11] <Gallomimia> i didn't even notice
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[11:13] <wo0f> tukkip: however i may be totally wrong- try running top in a terminal when connected via vnc
[11:13] <wo0f> see what users are doing what?
[11:13] <wo0f> if its just the pi user, im prob wrong :)
[11:16] <mumbles> is on a train. !
[11:16] <wo0f> mumbles: woot!
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[11:20] <mumbles> useing my s2 as a 3g dongle
[11:20] <mumbles> tunnels keep on crapping the signle
[11:23] <wo0f> tanuva: ooo, ipv6 address!
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> wo0f, somewhere..
[11:24] <Gallomimia> with a raspberry pi?
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. oddly enough not here.
[11:24] <Gallomimia> that's cool
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Hang on, let me fix that.
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[11:24] <tanuva> wo0f: oh, interesting. I'm on the universitie's lan
[11:24] <Gallomimia> in order to properly irc from such a portable setup, you need a bouncer
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[11:24] <tanuva> s/ie/y/
[11:25] <wo0f> sweet
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> right. that's better. wonder why I'd dropped back into IPv4 land.
[11:25] <Gallomimia> nostalgia?
[11:25] <wo0f> lolz
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> nah. probably when my router blew up a few days ago.
[11:25] <Gallomimia> i hates routers :(
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> a neccessary evil.
[11:25] <Gallomimia> indeed
[11:25] <mumbles> Gallomimia: im useing a screen and irssi session
[11:26] <mumbles> so you guys dont get th epart joins
[11:26] <wo0f> ditto
[11:26] <Gallomimia> hm. decent enough i guess
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> what train are you on, mumbles ?
[11:26] <Gallomimia> but how easy is it to reconnect for you?
[11:26] <Gallomimia> myself, i'm using xchat and znc
[11:26] <mumbles> 10 from kings cross to edinburgha
[11:27] <Gallomimia> love terminals. not for chatting
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> I was part of a project to put wifi onto cross country trains last year...
[11:27] <mumbles> Gallomimia: when myphone picks back a 3g signle
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's virgin I guess..
[11:27] <mumbles> gordonDrogon: the price has gone up far to much if your not on expensives
[11:27] <Gallomimia> you have to open ssh link again and screen -x ?
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[11:27] <mumbles> east coast
[11:27] <mumbles> Gallomimia: yeh useing putty
[11:28] <Gallomimia> gross. putty :( i hate that program
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> unless you're using the on-board wi-fi 3G is going to be spotty at best - the trains are quite well 'insulated' from RF ..
[11:28] <Gallomimia> only because it runs on windows tho
[11:28] <mumbles> should be in ubuntu and useing the lamp server ive got on thubuntu partition
[11:28] <mumbles> gordonDrogon: yeh you onley get half an hour free
[11:28] <Gallomimia> thot you were on a pi. that'd be really rad
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> unless it's a HST that is. the Pendolinos & voyagers have a metalised film over the glass.
[11:28] <mumbles> should be ok till i get ferther up north
[11:28] <wo0f> mumbles: be careful what you say, Branson may sue
[11:28] <mumbles> Gallomimia: i do have mine with me
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> oh, that's better than cross country offer though.
[11:29] <Gallomimia> portable pi'ing is something i really wanna try
[11:29] <Gallomimia> someone posted a link of some glasses with vga input the other day
[11:29] <Gallomimia> almost what i want. but you can't see the world.... and vga won't work
[11:29] <wo0f> with a pi strapped to the side of them?
[11:29] <Gallomimia> no. they won't hook up to that
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> I've taken a Pi on a train before - connected it to my laptop & a Gertboard - lots of wires, etc... Got some really funny looks!
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[11:30] <Gallomimia> but i would keep the pi and the usb hub and the batteries in a little backpack or something
[11:30] <mumbles> that would becool knew a guy who went round with an ecg machine and a portable comptuer strapped on his head
[11:30] <wo0f> gordonDrogon: lol lol i can imagine
[11:30] <frikinz> I'm finding the idea of the piratebox quite nice
[11:30] <Gordio> Gallomimia, have photo?
[11:30] <Gallomimia> of course you did GordonDragon! people thought you were going to blow up the train!
[11:30] <Gallomimia> Gordio not a url sorry
[11:31] <Gallomimia> i want a pair that are hdmi input, and allow you to see where you're walking
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[11:32] <Gallomimia> combine that with a chording thigh keyboard and thumb mouse, and some decent batteries... plus a 3G stick. i'll never be offline
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> can someone do a quick GIT clone for me please?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
[11:32] <Gallomimia> no. i could do a slow clone for you...
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> just had a report that it's down, but it looks OK to me...
[11:33] <wo0f> http://imgur.com/338HQ
[11:33] <wo0f> http://i.imgur.com/338HQ.jpg
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[11:33] <mumbles> is trying to design a new theme
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> I had a 'quinkey' type chording keyboard waaay back - on a BBC Micro.
[11:34] <fmoreau> Hi. I'm trying to use my own rootfs on my rasberrypi but it seems that starting any binaries in there segfault :-/
[11:34] <mumbles> ive got a rii mini blutooth keybord i got to work with my pi
[11:34] <fmoreau> could anybody give me some help please ?
[11:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: cloning??? albeit slowly....
[11:34] <Gallomimia> gordonDrogon down for me
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ok, thanks.
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> so it is fine, and they're behind a firewall. Not the first.
[11:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Seems to have hung, actually, will wait it out
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> wonder why people firewall git..
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> oh... hm..
[11:35] <Gadgetoid> Interesting
[11:35] <Gadgetoid> Got a connection timeout, then it worked
[11:35] <Gallomimia> timed out on ip4. not supported on ip6
[11:36] <Gallomimia> goofy :/
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> it ought to work on ipv6.
[11:36] <Gallomimia> if i had ip6 configured... maybe
[11:36] <Gallomimia> and i'm pretty sure my router was manufactured before ip6 was even thought of
[11:36] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/KpLe3bv9
[11:37] <mumbles> ack having to wait till i get into citys to do any big downloading
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, thats ipv4 too.
[11:38] <mumbles> is useing the wireless dongle i got ofr the pi
[11:38] <mumbles> to do the sharing.
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[11:38] <Gallomimia> can't find my wifi dongle :(
[11:39] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: I can't be bothered with git, but telnet to port 22 works on v6 and times out on v4
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[11:39] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, that's to be expected.
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, I've turned off the ipv6 firewall to see if that's an issue.
[11:40] <tukkip> wo0f i tried to run top command when connected via VNC
[11:40] <Gallomimia> i'm considering closing port 22 on all the machines i control
[11:40] <tukkip> its user 'Pi
[11:41] <Gallomimia> change to some other port since port 22 gets attacked like 30 times a day
[11:41] <tukkip> doing all the magic but still no access
[11:41] <fmoreau> none can give me a clue ?
[11:42] <Gallomimia> tukkip i'm really talking out my butt here but the problem must exist in the server process "protecting" you from authenticating while vnc'd in
[11:42] <Gallomimia> fmoreau you haven't asked anything yet?
[11:42] <Gallomimia> ohhhh i see
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[11:42] <fmoreau> Gallomimia: well I though I did :)
[11:42] <wo0f> tukkip: i must be wrong then
[11:42] <fmoreau> let me try again:
[11:42] <Gallomimia> segfault :/ that's odd
[11:42] <Adya> Hi guys)
[11:42] <Dagger2> I limit connections to port 22 to 3 per source IP per minute, which ends up blocking 98% of connections to it while mostly not affecting me
[11:42] <wo0f> tukkip: maybe youll be better of asking in #debian
[11:42] <Gallomimia> it's way up there yeah post it a gain
[11:43] <fmoreau> Gallomimia: I'm trying to use my own rootfs on my rasberrypi but it seems that starting any binaries in there segfault :-/
[11:43] <fmoreau> <mumbles> ive got a rii mini blutooth keybord i got to work with my pi
[11:43] <fmoreau> oops :)
[11:43] <fmoreau> to much paste
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[11:43] <gordonDrogon> ah well, I think I'll wory about this later.
[11:43] <Dagger2> though that works better for me because I do the blocking over a /27, so the irritating log entries go away for most of the machines
[11:43] <Gallomimia> i've never played with rootfs. i consider myself fortunate just to know what it is
[11:44] <Gallomimia> Dagger2 what do you do that with?
[11:44] <fmoreau> Gallomimia: I did this:
[11:44] <fmoreau> strace /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt /bin/ls
[11:44] <fmoreau> ...
[11:44] <fmoreau> execve("/bin/ls", ["/bin/ls"], [/* 5 vars */]) = 0
[11:44] <fmoreau> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
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[11:44] <Gallomimia> that's over my head
[11:44] <Dagger2> iptables
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[11:45] <Gallomimia> hopefully someone else can help. maybe asking in a channel related to your OS
[11:45] <fmoreau> Gallomimia: ok, thanks
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[11:45] <fmoreau> Gallomimia: is this the only channel related to raspberry stuff ?
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[11:45] <Gallomimia> #raspbian
[11:45] <Gallomimia> i don't know any others
[11:45] <Dagger2> e.g. https://p.6core.net/p/3w25zod5jhopw1mh
[11:46] <fmoreau> Gallomimia: ok I'll try there, thanks
[11:46] <Adya> #pibang
[11:46] <Gallomimia> bang? what bang...
[11:46] <Gallomimia> as in... the !
[11:46] <Gallomimia> PI!
[11:47] <wo0f> Dagger2: allow connections only with a key?
[11:48] <Dagger2> that doesn't stop the millions of failed login lines in my logs though
[11:48] <Gallomimia> holy.... crap. yeah i need to study iptables
[11:48] <frikinz> fmoreau: you've put qemu in the rootfs?
[11:48] <Adya> I've just installed pibang and I've got desktop like this: http://i.imgur.com/uilYC.jpeg
[11:48] <fmoreau> frikinz: the rootfs works with others ARM boards
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[11:48] <Adya> What should I do?
[11:48] <fmoreau> is that the question.
[11:49] <fmoreau> if that's the question
[11:49] <Dagger2> those iptables rules block half a million attempts per day
[11:49] <Gallomimia> what do you do about the mile long logs?
[11:49] <Dagger2> (though it's over a /27, so presumably only ~16000 attempts per IP per day or so)
[11:50] <Adya> Anybody knows?
[11:50] <mumbles> woah
[11:50] <Dagger2> I don't have mile long logs because I block the connections from hitting ssh
[11:50] <frikinz> fmoreau: also armv6 hard float? I'm also gettng a few segfault but they are known.
[11:51] <frikinz> fmoreau: and in specific case, not like .. ls
[11:51] <fmoreau> frikinz: actually my rootfs is armv7 soft float
[11:52] <fmoreau> but I used the Soft-float Debian rootfs as host
[11:52] <Gallomimia> oh i was confused what you were saying about what wouldn't stop the million failed login attempts
[11:53] <frikinz> I've used the debian softfloat as rootfs also before. but.. soft-float debian as host ?
[11:53] <Gallomimia> what does it do again? 3 fails and blocked for....
[11:53] <Gallomimia> 60s. very decent.
[11:53] <Gallomimia> i presume a block results in the botnets moving on for awhile?
[11:53] <fmoreau> frikinz: sorry, I meant I'm using debian soft float rootfs, and trying to chroot in my own rootfs from there
[11:54] <Gallomimia> you'll note you're on a hardfloat board
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[11:54] <Gallomimia> could have something to do with the segfaults. and the difference between the other boards
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[11:55] <frikinz> I'm a bit lost. using softfloat rootfs and trying to chroot in rootfs err from the rootfs? :)
[11:55] <Adya> I've just installed pibang and I've got desktop like this: http://i.imgur.com/uilYC.jpeg what should I do?
[11:56] <Gallomimia> like i said. i have no idea about using rootfs. i only know what it is. but shouldn't a softfloat program cause problems on hardfloat cpu?
[11:56] <wo0f> Adya: not use pibang ;P
[11:56] <fmoreau> frikinz: from softfloat debian rootfs, I'm doing: "mount /dev/xxx /mnt; chroot /mnt"
[11:56] <Gallomimia> sorryy adya. i'd give it a look but my pi is undervolted and anytime i look at big pictures it hangs. so.... no go
[11:56] <fmoreau> does that make sense ?
[11:57] <Dagger2> Gallomimia: I haven't bothered to check... it's possible that I get good results because I have a /27, and they're moving on to the next IP in the range
[11:57] <Gallomimia> ahhh
[11:57] <Dagger2> maybe if I narrowed the stats down to the first IP in the range, I'd get different numbers
[11:57] <Gallomimia> i predict my issue will be with various ip's around a larger range
[11:57] <Dagger2> which I should totally try
[11:58] <Gallomimia> but i'll keep that list of rules for when i start being more serious as an admin/server op
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[11:59] <Gallomimia> so, muchos gracias. as some of my customers would say
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[12:01] <frikinz> fmoreau: not much to me, maybe to others. "from rootfs". do you mean you're already chrooted and you again do a chroot? or "from rootfs" means you are in the directory. Normally, on the host, you download a rootfs for your target, you move qemu compiled for your host aimed at your target frm /usr/bin, a static one to rootfs/usr/bin. and chroot in it
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[12:03] <fmoreau> frikinz: "from rootfs": I meant that my raspberry boots using this rootfs. After that I can log to the system and chroot to my own rootfs (once mounted in /mnt for example)
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Ahhh. doh.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> Looks like it was my firewall blocking git.
[12:05] <Gallomimia> lulz.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> can anyone give it a go again please? git clone git://git.drogon.net/wiringPi
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[12:05] <Gallomimia> wfm
[12:05] <frikinz> gordonDrogon: yes works
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> frikinz, thanks.
[12:06] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Working here, too
[12:06] <frikinz> fmoreau: ah. your chrooting from the pi. okayyy. from debian softfloat to ? hardfloat?
[12:06] <Dagger2> hm, weird, they seem to preferentially hit a few IPs in the range (trying over and over even after they've been blocked)
[12:06] <Gallomimia> alright. it's time for the #rPi pool. place your bets on how much energydrink or coffee gordonDrogon imbibed during his troubleshooting of this problem
[12:06] <frikinz> fmoreau: why do this on the slow pi?
[12:07] <Dagger2> two were tries 150 times yesterday, another two 400 times, and another two 600-700 times
[12:07] <Dagger2> the rest were all <10 times
[12:07] <fmoreau> frikinz: from debian softfloat
[12:07] <Dagger2> then the WAN IP was tried 2400 times...
[12:07] <Gallomimia> that is some weird patterns man.
[12:07] <Number5> Hello guys, I have a real RPi and VMWare image of RPi, just to make sure, is the vmware image emulating a ARM processor?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Gallomimia, Ha! I'm on my 2nd coffee of today.
[12:07] <Gallomimia> duuude. don't spoil the pool
[12:07] <Gallomimia> all the bets aren't placed yet
[12:07] * neilr is now thinking of a nice cup of tea
[12:07] <mumbles> has had one realy slow coffee and a can of cola
[12:08] <mumbles> it took 10 mins for it to arive
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> I rarely have more than 2 coffees a day. Nice big lattes from the coffee engine in the kitchen.
[12:08] <Gallomimia> i just about finished 2 monster drinks inside a couple hours
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> I never drink 'soft' drinks. it's plain old tap water for me.
[12:08] <Dagger2> oh, aha, I'm an idiot
[12:08] <frikinz> Thinking about eating my omelette in not so long
[12:08] <Dagger2> 1044K 62M tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:22 recent: SET name: SSH side: source /* Added on 2012-09-05 */
[12:08] <Dagger2> that's not 62 million attemps
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> but I do like the odd mug of early grey..
[12:08] <Dagger2> that's 62 MB
[12:08] <mumbles> uh oh all i can seis floaded fields
[12:09] <Number5> What I want to do is develop some small programs on RPi in a VM environment, this same executable I want to try it out on the real RPi, should that work?
[12:09] <Dagger2> it's only 1 million attempts :p
[12:09] <Gallomimia> i've done that for a period of time gordonDrogon. i prefer it. but i got myself onto these again recently
[12:09] <neilr> I've given up booze for January for cancer research. Doesn't affect my tea drinking during the day :)
[12:09] <mumbles> they are both drugs though neilr
[12:09] <Gallomimia> i've given up booze for a great long period. newyears was rough
[12:09] <Dagger2> s/attemps/attempts/
[12:09] <Dagger2> I think I should just go back to bed...
[12:09] <Gallomimia> hah
[12:09] <Gallomimia> what tz?
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[12:10] <Dagger2> UK. 11am
[12:10] <mumbles> i havent got enough money to get that drunk
[12:10] <Gallomimia> yeah. jumping jacks or a job around the block
[12:10] <erska> Number5: I don't think vmware does any processor emulation, it only passes the machine code instructions to underlying CPU
[12:10] <Gallomimia> mumbles: exactly. too expensive and not worth a penny
[12:11] <erska> Number5: to emulate an ARM CPU, you need qemu or something similar
[12:11] <Number5> erska, hmmm. Than how come a RPi VMWare image exists?
[12:11] <Gallomimia> perhaps these two programs in conjunction will do it?
[12:11] <Number5> erska, I was afraid that;s the case...
[12:12] <Gallomimia> i have trouble imagining how a piece of software can emulate hardfloat on a softfloat cpu. big endian < --- > little endian was brutal enough
[12:12] <frikinz> fmoreau: not sure about your use case but from a debian (or derivate host) it takes about 3mn to setup a rootfs and chroot into it and rebuild the world
[12:12] <Number5> Problem is I'm working on Win7 machine and already have a VMWare installed on it.
[12:12] <frikinz> qemu works fine in windows
[12:12] <erska> I'm not certain why that is available, but I have a strong feeling that binaries compiled within the vmware image (under vmware) won't be compatible with the real thing
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[12:12] <Gallomimia> there's a pretty good reason they insisted on everything for rPi being compiled on an rPi
[12:12] <Number5> My goal is to write small programs based on C++ using Code::Blocks
[12:13] <frikinz> Gallomimia: who is they?
[12:13] <Gallomimia> rPi foundation
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/my-365/january-2013/tea/
[12:13] <Gallomimia> i just remember seeing a large rack full of boards running compile farms
[12:14] <Number5> I've never tried qemu, well once and I totally didn't know how it works... hmmm
[12:14] <frikinz> Gallomimia: do you have any links? Yes, qemu has a few quirks but there's often a solution
[12:14] <frikinz> at least for me there was. for a complete distro it could be annoying to apply these tricks everywhere
[12:14] <Gallomimia> of? the pictures? no. it was in the blog on rpi.org prior to launch
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[12:14] <Gallomimia> like a year ago
[12:15] * neilr is now thinking of further tea based rpi projects :)
[12:15] <Number5> erska, I guess another approach is to test the sources on the emulated version and than rebuild it on the real RPi.
[12:15] <tukkip> can someone copy default rasbian /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin ? ty :)
[12:15] <Gallomimia> Number5 yeah that's what i am planning to do
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> I don't think the foundation insist on compiling everything on the Pi for the Pi..
[12:16] <frikinz> I've built several software on my pc and never will rebuild on the pi. they work nicely
[12:16] <Number5> gordonDrogon, why not? It's for education purpose anyway
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Debian I think does - or at least their build scripts assume it - I think the Raspbian chaps did a lot of it on a Pi(s), but I also recall them using other similar ARM boards too..
[12:16] <Gallomimia> tukkip you don't need it pastebinned:
[12:16] <fmoreau> frikinz: I don't rebuild a rootfs from my rbpi.
[12:16] <Gallomimia> auto lo
[12:16] <Gallomimia> iface lo inet loopback
[12:16] <Gallomimia> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:16] <erska> Number5: something like that, yes.. or maybe you can use a arm cross compiler inside the x86 image, maybe there is one available for it
[12:16] <tukkip> wlan etc
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> Number5, try building a linux kernel - it takes 5 or more hours from scrach on a Pi, but cross compiling it takes minutes...
[12:16] <tukkip> so it might be easier to copy paste from pastebin
[12:17] <Gallomimia> since there's no wlan etc on a pi by default, i don't see why it would be there
[12:17] <tukkip> in my pi there was :(
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> So when *using* a Pi, yes, compile on the Pi and run on the Pi, etc. but developing big projects may be easier in anothe renvironment.
[12:17] <Number5> gordonDrogon, no it's not like building a huge thing as a kernel. Just small simple programs, like a simple tcp server and so on...
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> e.g. my BASIC interpreter - I devleoped it under x86 Linux - it takes 90 seconds to compile on a Pi, but 5 seconds on my desktop...
[12:17] <mumbles> what do people think of https://www.dropbox.com/s/tn6cupuhjruk2tv/coffeethemecopy.jpg?m
[12:17] <Gallomimia> maybe that get stuck in there if you plugin a wlan interface on boot?
[12:18] <Number5> erska, yes crosscompiling is a good one too, but I couldn't find good documentation especially for Code::Blocks
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[12:18] <frikinz> tukkip: http://paste.debian.net/222773/
[12:19] <frikinz> tukkip: latest raspbian image
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I do wonder if some of those big IDEs are just too big though - encourage getting back to basics with vi/Makefiles :)
[12:20] <tukkip> ty <3
[12:20] <Number5> gordonDrogon, yes I like vi as an editor, but that's ALL! I want an environment where I can edit, syntax check, debug, code completion in ONE!
[12:21] <Number5> I know that's possible with Vi, but finding out how to get omnicompletion work for C libraries is also a tiresome task.
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[12:22] <frikinz> vi does all this edit, syntax check, debug, build, code completion
[12:22] <Number5> gdb is nice, but believe me, once you taste the GUI debugger, you don't want to go back to type it a next breakpoint
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[12:23] <Number5> ddd is a nice GUI debugger, until it crashes each time when forking multiple processes... that's my experience. Since working with Code::Blocks it was all fine, not perfect but at least I could do my job.
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[12:24] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what omnicompletion is.
[12:24] <frikinz> Code::Blocks <3
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> I've been programming in C for over 30 years.
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[12:24] <Number5> gordonDrogon, that is when you type pri... omnicompletion completes it with printf(...
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> oh. I've never felt the need...
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> oh well.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> green grass and all that.
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[12:26] <Number5> gordonDrogon, what??? Well I can't live without that, cause I also program for Windows, for Linux, for Android and believe me, I never remember what arguments a function needs.
[12:26] <frikinz> it helps not doing all these syntax or typo stupid errors
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> *shrug* 30 years...
[12:27] <Number5> Aaah, I think Eclipse has all the tools to crosscompile for RPi.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> and I don't program for windows, android. Just Linux & Arduinos right now.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> and in C and BASIC.
[12:27] <Number5> let's google... ;-)
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> although I've done a lot in PHP too.
[12:28] <Number5> well than you must find out using good tools help you a lot to quickly program...
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> maybe, who knows.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> I didn't have any issues writing my BASIC interpreter last year though.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> I guess it's what I'm used to.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi: vi & makefiles.
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> it works for me and I'm happy with it.
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[12:53] <mumbles> just leaving york station
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[13:18] <mumbles> adfs |#raspberry (9|#raspberrypi )
[13:18] <mumbles> [#raspberrypi] adf
[13:21] <mumbles> whops.
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[13:39] <mumbles> www.wireargh
[13:39] <mumbles> no 3g for ages
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[13:39] <mumbles> and laggy
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[13:56] <Datalink> mmm, MIT MOSH console into Pi...
[13:57] <mumbles> newcastle
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[13:58] <TAFB> i live close to a place called newcastle :)
[13:58] <mumbles> im just leaving the station
[13:59] <TAFB> my newcastle is in Canada :)
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[14:02] <mumbles> heh yeh a bit far away
[14:04] <TAFB> :)
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[14:05] <mumbles> speed is picking up a bit now
[14:05] <mumbles> train
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[14:08] <yaMatt> on your way to scotland?
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[14:16] <TAFB> wow, a lot of new DVD screeners leaking lately!! old school style :) I'm download Flight, The Perks of Being a Wallflower and The Hobbit :) I know what I'm doing today :)
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[14:17] <xzr> dvdscr are those "for your consideration" rips?
[14:18] <TAFB> that's the ones :)
[14:18] <TAFB> full of watermarks and anti-piracy messages :)
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[14:19] <TAFB> looks like Zero Dark Thirty got super bad reviews :( damn, preview looked so good, all splinter-cell style
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[14:20] <TAFB> good thing they are all x264 :) woot... time to re-image my Pi :)
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[14:21] <Kottizen> Hi everyone. I've got one Raspberry Pi with Debian on, and a stationary, ordinary server, also running Debian. The server has quite some movies on it, stored in the AVI format. What would be the easiest way to stream the movies across my network? Both sides are connected to the same network using ethernet cables.
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[14:27] <xzr> Kottizen: setup a nfs share on your main server?
[14:27] <xzr> and just mount that from the pi
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[14:30] <iamtheric> you could always access them via sshfs
[14:31] <Weaselweb> useless cpu-usage due to encryption, imho
[14:31] <Kottizen> xzr, iamtheric: Would it be possible to stream the movies throgh that, or would the system have to copy everything over before launching it?
[14:32] <xzr> it treats the share as if it was local
[14:32] <xzr> kind of
[14:32] <xzr> so you can just play files straight off from there
[14:33] <xzr> for home network nfs is probably the easiest and lightest solution
[14:33] <iamtheric> encryption is almost never useless
[14:33] <iamtheric> imho
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[14:34] <xzr> if it's your home network then there's no real need for encryption
[14:34] <xzr> it's just useless overhead
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[14:36] <Kottizen> xzr: Okay - I'm sorry, I simplified it a bit. The server is under my control, it's running Debian, but it's not located in the same LAN. I can "only" access it via the Internet. Would a nfs share still be a good solution?
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[14:36] <rossw> Kottizen: isnt there sshfs?
[14:37] <iamtheric> has been suggested
[14:37] <rossw> dont need to set up anything on the server
[14:37] <rossw> and just mount it on the client
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[14:39] <Kottizen> iamtheric, rossw: Is sshfs capable of streaming too, i.e. can the movie start even if it hasn't been entirely downloaded?
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[14:39] <rossw> id imagine not
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[14:39] <rossw> its not really a streaming thing, just allows you to access files
[14:39] <xzr> how's your internet connection Kottizen ?
[14:40] <iamtheric> yes, an sshfs mount is like a nfs share, but encrypted
[14:40] <Kottizen> xzr: ADSL, I get around 850 kB/s from the server
[14:41] <Kottizen> xzr: each episode of what I'm watching is around 700 MB big, one hour long
[14:41] <xzr> divide that by ten if you use ssh :p
[14:41] <Kottizen> xzr: right now I download them (takes around 15 minutes) and then watch, I download them via sftp
[14:41] <xzr> well ten is a bit harsh, but anyway
[14:41] <xzr> oh
[14:41] <iamtheric> it would be harsh
[14:41] <Weaselweb> xzr: then you have powerless hardware ;-)
[14:41] <xzr> you get 850 kB/s with sftp?
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[14:42] <Kottizen> yes
[14:42] <Kottizen> (and with regular ftp)
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[14:43] <xzr> I guess just set it up through ssh like they suggested
[14:43] <xzr> should be enoug
[14:43] <xzr> h
[14:43] <Kottizen> I'll go for that then, thank you everyone! :)
[14:44] <xzr> (though could just use nfs share and limit the export to your ip, it's not like anyone monitoring the traffic is interested if you stream some series)
[14:44] <rossw> thats true, nfs might be quicker?
[14:44] <rossw> let us know how you get on anyway Kottizen
[14:45] <xzr> nfs is quicker but not encrypted
[14:45] <mjr> unencrypted nfs certainly is quicker than anything ssh tunneled, and on the pi it might matter
[14:45] <xzr> it's just debatable if you need encryption for those means
[14:45] <xzr> imo not
[14:45] <mjr> (mind you, nfs is only historically, and perhaps usually, unencrypted - you can use nfs with kerberos auth and encryption also)
[14:45] <mjr> (though setting up will be more cumbersome)
[14:45] <xzr> yeah kerberos is an option, but it starts to get tricky
[14:45] <xzr> :p
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> if it's on a home LAN I'd not bother with encryption.
[14:46] <rossw> it isnt
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[14:46] <xzr> nobody will bother if you stream some series off some server in the internet
[14:46] <xzr> as long as the server is not open to everyone
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[14:56] <Gordio> f**k omxplayer start using f***ing boost
[14:56] <Jck_true> Gordio: Clearify?
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[15:02] <SpeedEvil> I think the missing letters were 'uc' and 'k'
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[15:03] <The_ManU_212> hi
[15:04] <iamtheric> sup
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[15:04] <rossw> hi The_ManU_212
[15:04] <The_ManU_212> i have a usb tv tuner which doesnt work fully under rpi linux os,because it has transfer type isochronous, is it possible to get it running?
[15:04] <rossw> transfer type isochronous? sounds painful, can you get a cream for that?
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[15:05] <Gordio> SpeedEvil, and ',' after first word
[15:05] <The_ManU_212> rossw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isochronous
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[15:06] <Grievre> What's the default state of the Pi's GPIO pins? Hi-Z?
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[15:06] * Gordio again: still find patch for mplayer work with hardware acceleration.
[15:07] * Gordio d(x_x)b
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[15:30] <otwieracz> Hello.
[15:30] <rossw> hi otwieracz
[15:30] <otwieracz> Is this possible to use dmix on raspberry pi?
[15:30] <otwieracz> (in ALSA)
[15:30] <otwieracz> Or, more generally, how to fight with problem:
[15:30] <otwieracz> ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:877:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) slave plugin does not support mmap interleaved or mmap noninterleaved access
[15:30] <otwieracz> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1030:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave
[15:31] <otwieracz> aplay: main:682: audio open error: Invalid argument
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[15:41] <PhotoJim> otwieracz: just a guess, but it looks like you may be trying to do something the Pi's audio hardware can't do. if you have some sort of USB audio device, you could see if that problem exists with it. if it doesn't, hardware confirmed as the issue.
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[15:42] <otwieracz> It is not possible to solve problem with mmap_emul?
[15:44] <mjr> your guess should probably be wrong, dmix is a software mixing solution (haven't set it up though)
[15:44] <mjr> pulseaudio can be set up to work with alsa for software mixing as well, ubuntu does that, haven't checked how exactly though
[15:45] <rossw> isnt pulseaudio still eww?
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[15:45] <rossw> i could never get it to work properly
[15:45] <mjr> oh wait, are you trying to solve something besides having multiple mixed output streams?
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[15:47] <mjr> if so disregard
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[15:58] <otwieracz> So, in this case looks like PA is the only possible solution?
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[16:05] <MalMen> anyone know how can i disable boot debug level on arch
[16:06] <otwieracz> You mean messages before or after init?
[16:07] <frikinz> add quiet ?
[16:09] <MalMen> otwieacz
[16:09] <MalMen> yes
[16:10] <MalMen> i want to disable all that messages, and put a waiting message instead
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[16:16] <BeerSerc> Hi there. I am experiencing problems with the UART of my raspi. I am tring to talk to a LPCXpresso board (eval board for an NXP ARM uC). I have a python script toggling 2 GPIOs to set the board into SPI mode, then I am supposed to send a '?' for auto-baudrate setting, and I should get the answer "Synchronized\r\t"
[16:16] <BeerSerc> now I disabled kernel messages on /dev/ttyAMA0, and commented out it
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[16:17] <BeerSerc> in inittab
[16:17] <Grievre> BeerSerc: wait, UART or SPI?
[16:17] <Grievre> which are you doing?
[16:17] <BeerSerc> BeerSerc: UART
[16:17] <BeerSerc> Grievre: UART
[16:17] <Grievre> ok
[16:17] <tapas> ok, i#m trying to communicate with an mcp3008 ;D
[16:17] <BeerSerc> so it should be disabled then.
[16:17] <Grievre> why "SPI mode" then?
[16:17] <BeerSerc> sorry typo
[16:17] <BeerSerc> ISP mode
[16:18] <BeerSerc> in system programming
[16:18] <tapas> and in first tests i wonder if it's ok to just use the gpio interface exposed by /sys/class/gpio
[16:18] <BeerSerc> anyway, I am using pythons pyserial, but a) the serial connection seems to be opened from the start. so I close() and open() it, flush input and output, and then send '?'
[16:19] <BeerSerc> now I see something happening on the scope, and also sometimes an answer, but nothing is read back from the serial port
[16:19] <BeerSerc> now I tried to /sbin/getty the device in a different shell, set baudrate there etc
[16:20] <BeerSerc> as soon as I getty the device, I see communication on the scope, which I dont understand. when I run my python script then, theres more communication and this time, garbage is read back from serial. if I try it one more time, it works, and I get "Synchronized", and then the /sbin/getty returns
[16:20] <BeerSerc> so it seems that something else is happening on that serial port, but I cannot understand why
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[16:21] <BeerSerc> any ideas?
[16:21] <Grievre> hmmm
[16:21] <Grievre> are you sure the logic levels are right?
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[16:22] <Grievre> and that they're not inverted?
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[16:22] <BeerSerc> Grievre: I thought something like this could be the problem, but it's reproducible, when I getty the device, and run my script twice, I get the exact right answer from the board
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[16:23] <tapas> i wonder if i can just bang the bit on the corresponding GPIO pins..
[16:24] <Grievre> tapas: there's a python GPIO library
[16:24] <tapas> or if i have to enable SPI mode first in some way and whether that's possible via the gpio interface, too
[16:24] <BeerSerc> Grievre: and for the logic levels, yes, both devices are 3.3v devices
[16:24] <tapas> Grievre: yeah.. i just found the /sys/ interface and a shell script to be less hassle for first experiments.. :D
[16:24] <tapas> Grievre: for production we'll move to C anyways..
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[16:30] <Grievre> tapas: the "official" way to do GPIO in C is manually
[16:30] <Grievre> by opening /dev/mem and poking at the IO registers
[16:31] <Grievre> iirc the GPIO drivers kind of exist but aren't that great, or something like that?
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[16:35] <tapas> Grievre: there's a library out there that does that for you.
[16:35] <tapas> bcm2835
[16:36] <BeerSerc> ha OK forget about it, I found the problem. when pyserial does an open(), it sends a 1, which confused the ARM board
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[16:40] <Torikun> yo
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> use wiringPi if you're doing it from C.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> much easier than doing the hardware poking yourself... (IMO)
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> BeerSerc, there appears to be a bug with the Pi's serial port if you open i at 115200 baud - it sends a spurious 0xF8 - seems to happen from C and others...
[16:43] <mjr> !
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> indeed, !
[16:45] * Torikun wants to buy another PI but has no $
[16:45] <Torikun> =(
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> keep saving...
[16:45] <Torikun> Yeah lol
[16:45] <Adya> Yeeehu
[16:46] <Adya> I've done this
[16:46] <yaMatt> yeah, I want to get one of the new model Bs, got two of the 256MB ones with no mounting holes
[16:46] <Torikun> I got 2 256mb also yaMatt .I wanta 512 lol
[16:46] <Adya> Now, I've logged in via Pi Bang
[16:46] <Torikun> apache is killing my 256mb
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I want a rev 2 more than 512MB, but not sure I can justify it right now.
[16:46] <Adya> I've only had to disable overscan:)
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[16:46] <NucWin> use nginx
[16:47] <Torikun> will it work with mysql
[16:47] <Torikun> I hate to move my database over
[16:47] <Torikun> I already have apache with drupal setup
[16:47] <NucWin> should be able to switch over with very little setup
[16:48] <Torikun> apache will keep many processes open eating the pi's memory for hours
[16:48] <Adya> Torikun, use modx:)
[16:48] <Torikun> i have cron restart http every 30 min to gain memory back
[16:48] <rossw> sounds a bit iffy
[16:48] <Adya> nginx is a little bit quiclier
[16:48] <Torikun> I keep hearing that lol
[16:49] <Adya> try using it)))))))))
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[16:49] <Torikun> lol
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> you can tune apache to stop it doing that, however it might be that ngnix is better...
[16:49] <Torikun> I tried tuning some apache settings and it did not help at all
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> I'm sticking with apache, but only because I've used it for years and years.
[16:50] <Torikun> same here gordonDrogon lol
[16:50] <Adya> IMHO, apache is useful on quadcore+ servers
[16:50] <herdingcat> Hi I encounter following error when compile openmpi by using my own toolchain: http://fpaste.org/U8ZD/
[16:50] <Weaselweb> Torikun: why apache? try nginx
[16:50] <Torikun> Yeah
[16:50] <Torikun> ok lol
[16:50] <tapas> gordonDrogon: ok, thanks for the tip..
[16:50] <Adya> anywhere else nginx rules
[16:50] <tapas> the /sys interface looked so nice and dandy though :)
[16:51] <Torikun> do you really need to setup chroot for ngix to work?
[16:51] <TAFB> i heart nginx
[16:51] <tapas> just use read() and write() in non buffered mode and it should work.. but it doesn't :D
[16:51] <TAFB> http://tafb.yi.org
[16:51] <TAFB> SPEEDZ
[16:51] <Weaselweb> Torikun: who says that?
[16:51] <Torikun> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nginx#Installation
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[16:51] <NucWin> 10,000 inactive HTTP keep-alive connections take about 2.5M memory
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, what happened to pancake? You were going on about how much better it was.
[16:51] <Adya> I recommend PiBang to everybody - htere's nothing more useful
[16:52] * Adya likes PiBang
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> tapas, I am a bit biased as I wrote wiringPi, but the bcm2835 library was a rip-off of wiringPi in the early days, but I note that he's re-written most of it now.
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[16:52] <Weaselweb> Torikun: it's possible but you want step 1 in that wiki :) just install the package and ignore step 2
[16:52] <rossw> i run arch on my pi
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne> Adya, why? Isn't it just slightly modified raspbian?
[16:52] <tapas> gordonDrogon: :D i'll take a look at both and use the one that pleases me more (and works)
[16:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: wiringPi, at least your aspect of it, is frequently updated and well maintained, not sure what the bcm2835 is like
[16:53] <Gadgetoid> If I got my shit together on the wrappers, it's be awesomesauce :D
[16:53] <Torikun> ty
[16:53] <TAFB> ShiftPlusOne: Pancake doesn't support port proxy so I can run my e-mail server on port 8888 but serve it to my users with blocked ports on http://tafb.yi.org/webmail
[16:53] <TAFB> (port 80 of course)
[16:53] <ShiftPlusOne> TAFB, ah, ok.
[16:53] <Gadgetoid> Whoopsie??? s/***/proverbial/
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[16:54] <Adya> ShiftPlusOne, it looks nice, has very many preinstalled software, works smoothly and quickly
[16:54] <TAFB> ShiftPlusOne: if you would like shiftplusone@tafb.xxx to mess around with lemme kno :) or shift@tafb.xxx, etc :)
[16:54] <Adya> More quickly than raspbian does
[16:54] <tapas> gordonDrogon: ok, also good to know who to pester ;D
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[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Heh, I'll stick with my domain.
[16:54] <TAFB> :)
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[16:57] <Torikun> nginx is installed! http://rusher81572.com/
[16:57] <TAFB> dang that was fast!
[16:57] <TAFB> now get php-fpm working
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> tapas, yea, I'm always here :)
[16:57] <Torikun> lol
[16:58] <TAFB> and show me a phpinfo() :)
[16:58] <NucWin> see my load i refreashed a lot hahaha
[16:58] <TAFB> my ISP says i'm not allowed to "load test" peoples servers anymore :(
[16:58] <NucWin> lol
[16:59] <IT_Sean> lol
[16:59] <NucWin> my isp is getting very close to finding out if there hardware can process 240v AC down their data line
[16:59] <NucWin> if they dont fix the packetloss soon (been going on 8months)
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[16:59] <TAFB> rofl
[16:59] <IT_Sean> NucWin, use 400vdc instead. It makes things much more ... crispy.
[17:00] <NucWin> that would mean conversion
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[17:00] <NucWin> i was thinking 240v with 13amp fuse
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[17:00] <NucWin> and a stick to turn the plug on
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> I think you'll find that if a phone exchange can withtand a nearby lightening strike, putting 240 volts on their wires may not actually achieve that much ...
[17:00] <IT_Sean> NucWin, so? you don't have a few industrial transformers lying about the place?
[17:01] <NucWin> well its coax so hardware at top of street
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, who's your ISP?
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> oh, virgin.
[17:01] <IT_Sean> 240vac probably won't do much, except trip a self-resetting breaker.
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[17:02] <IT_Sean> something like a nice chunky 400vdc might MELT said self-resetting breaker. IF you are lucky, in the closed position. ::evil::
[17:02] <NucWin> 3pm-2am it drops packets
[17:02] <NucWin> and most the weekend
[17:02] <Adya> When I have connected my phone to Pi, I thought it would be charging. But now I see, how phone charges the RasPi :D
[17:02] <TAFB> i need faster upload speeds, that's what I needz: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2376827100.png
[17:02] <NucWin> i must have typed my ssh password 1000 in the last month
[17:02] <NucWin> 100times
[17:02] <NucWin> 1000
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> setup a key?
[17:03] <NucWin> i have key to log as me but been doing lot of stuff as root
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> you can always switch to ADSL rather than cable...
[17:03] <NucWin> so been su'ing
[17:04] <NucWin> im too far from exchange would get about 0.5Mbps of bad connection
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[17:04] <NucWin> BT have recently installed a box though
[17:04] <NucWin> so in a few months should be able to get infinity
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> they usually put big "Fibre broadband" stickers on them...
[17:05] <Torikun> TAFB: what is your Location set to on nginx
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[17:05] <gordonDrogon> just remember that Infinity is BTs tradename for their FTTC product - the same service (or better!) is avalable from dozens of other ISPs...
[17:05] <NucWin> i know
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> Good... lots of people don't and get suckered in by BTs lies, er. marketing.
[17:06] <TAFB> Torikun: Location?
[17:06] <NucWin> i have a few things again bt so would never go with them directly
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[17:06] <NucWin> against*
[17:06] <Torikun> Yeah
[17:07] <SophieRxx> I had plenty of problems when I was with BT, went to Sky about 6 months ago and haven't had a single issue
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[17:07] <Torikun> for your http files
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[17:07] <NucWin> i may have to look how much bt want for the fttp though
[17:07] <NucWin> its quite cheap monthly just depends how much they want for connection
[17:08] <TAFB> the default, from memory it's /usr/share/nginx/html/default
[17:08] <TAFB> and I got vhosts runnin in there too
[17:08] <NucWin> ive not played a FPS for 8months im gonna be soooooo rusty i want my 25ms ping back
[17:08] <TAFB> ... /usr/share/nginx/html/vhost1 etc.
[17:08] <Torikun> hmmmm
[17:08] <Torikun> i should set it to /srv/http right?
[17:09] <Torikun> which was what apache used
[17:09] <TAFB> i leave everything in the default folder, then change php.ini file so it includes the /usr/share/nginx/html folder
[17:09] <Torikun> ah
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[17:13] <Gordio> ? "kernel: smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped"
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[17:14] <Torikun> I can not access any dirs in the default web dir even at 777 TAFB
[17:14] <Torikun> 403 Forbidden
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[17:14] <TAFB> with php?
[17:15] <TAFB> directory listing is disabled in nginx by default
[17:15] <Torikun> oh
[17:15] <TAFB> you can only browse to folders that have index.html in them, not just folders with files.
[17:15] <BeerSerc> gordonDrogon: ah OK, that explains it. well I can get around it easily in this case, so it's not a big deal
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[17:16] <TAFB> when you figure out how to fix it, let me know, it's been pissing me off lately, like if I go to mydomain.com/pics I can't see nothin
[17:16] <Torikun> ok
[17:16] <nid0> TAFB: just add autoindex on
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[17:17] <nid0> either inside a location directive to enable it for a single folder, inside the server block for an entire domain, or in the http block for the entire system
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[17:18] <TAFB> thanks nid0, i need it system wide :) i'll look er up
[17:18] <Torikun> not loading my php page by default
[17:18] <TAFB> you need to edit your default.yml file and add some php stuff in there, or maybe it's nginx.conf, I dun remember
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[17:19] <Torikun> i got autoindex on ty guys
[17:19] <Torikun> now just loading my drupal site
[17:20] <TAFB> Torikun: To get php workin. http://pastie.org/pastes/5648947/text?key=qxpjqwrcm0fdz4phbxxepg
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[17:20] <Torikun> ty
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[17:22] <Torikun> progress http://rusher81572.com/
[17:22] <Torikun> still no work
[17:22] <Torikun> lol
[17:22] <TAFB> i see no php stuff
[17:23] <Torikun> me either
[17:23] <TAFB> mv index.html index.pancake
[17:23] <TAFB> then try your site, see if it loads the php
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[17:23] <Torikun> i remove everything but index/php
[17:24] <TAFB> just rename the index.html file to index.somethingelse
[17:24] <TAFB> and it should fire up your PHP
[17:24] <TAFB> No input file specified.
[17:24] <TAFB> somethin broken
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[17:28] <Torikun> works it was php.ini base issue
[17:28] <Torikun> http://rusher81572.com/
[17:28] <Torikun> my site loads hella fast now!
[17:28] <Torikun> Thanks guys!
[17:29] <TAFB> ohhhhhh not bad :)
[17:29] <TAFB> now just need some PHP caching!!! one sec for link.
[17:29] <TAFB> http://interfacelab.com/nginx-php-fpm-apc-awesome/
[17:29] <Torikun> lol
[17:29] <TAFB> you need APC
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[17:37] <streetmapp> so i have my pi at home, connected to my router, which i have configured with dynDNS and port forwarding, and i've confirmed i can ssh/vnc to it. remotely.
[17:37] <rossw> but?
[17:38] <advisor> i confirm the same
[17:38] <rossw> i assumed there would be a but :3
[17:38] <streetmapp> but i have a VPS that can't seem to connect
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[17:39] <streetmapp> sorry got interrupted mid sentence :)
[17:39] <rossw> aha! there it is
[17:39] <rossw> can you ping it?
[17:39] <nid0> connect via..? ssh?
[17:39] <streetmapp> nope ping doesn't work, and yes tried via ssh
[17:39] <nid0> so you can ping your pi but your vps cant?
[17:40] <streetmapp> right i tested with my ipad tethered to my cellphone, because my work internet isn't letting me reach it
[17:40] <rossw> try using the ip instead of the dyndns address?
[17:40] <nid0> whats your dyndns address?
[17:40] <streetmapp> yup tried straight ip as well
[17:40] <Weaselweb> maybe the VPS has some "security" packet filter setting which sielntly drops ICMP
[17:40] <rossw> can you ssh to other things from your vps?
[17:41] <rossw> will it just fail to find the host?
[17:41] <streetmapp> i don't have anything i can verify ssh'ng from my VPS at the moment
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[17:42] <rossw> streetmapp: just try ssh uwcs.co.uk
[17:42] <rossw> you obviously wont be able to login but
[17:42] <rossw> im sure my uni society wont mind :)
[17:42] <streetmapp> yeah that actually prompts me to accept the rsa fingerprint
[17:42] <rossw> whereas your pi doesnt?
[17:42] <streetmapp> correct
[17:43] <nid0> whats your pi's dyndns address
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[17:43] <dniMretsaM> good morning fellow Pifaces
[17:44] <rossw> streetmapp: if you give us the address we can see if we can ssh
[17:44] <jacekowski> streetmapp: try telneting to ssh port
[17:44] <jacekowski> streetmapp: and check if you get ssh banner
[17:44] <jacekowski> and it may take a while to generate ssh keypair
[17:44] <jacekowski> when connecting the first time
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[17:44] <jacekowski> depending on the randomness source
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[17:45] <streetmapp> while i know that would help you guys with helping me troubleshoot, i'd rather not since it's tied to my home IP
[17:46] <streetmapp> yeah telnet times out
[17:46] <TAFB> Torikun: Love your site, looks great, like the command center pic :()
[17:46] <Torikun> ol
[17:46] <Torikun> ty
[17:46] <Torikun> ty for the help
[17:46] <Torikun> more free ram now
[17:46] <rossw> streetmapp: thats fine, do you have any other devices or pcs you can try to ssh from though?
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[17:47] <TAFB> no probs :) let me know when/if you get some caching working, like APC or whatever :)
[17:47] <frikinz> "times out" => router issue
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[17:47] <Torikun> lol
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[17:48] <streetmapp> i mean i can connect my laptop to my tethered phone connection., but that may wait till later.
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[17:49] <streetmapp> hmm actually...could be my fault and a typo
[17:49] <TAFB> Torikun: your Pi status loads WAY faster now :)
[17:50] <streetmapp> i'm pretty sure that i configured portwarding for port 22...but i may not have. my VNC connection works fine
[17:50] <Torikun> let me check it
[17:51] <Torikun> wow your right
[17:51] <Torikun> 4 second increase
[17:51] <TAFB> yep, insane :) nice work
[17:51] <Torikun> and the pi is 2 - 5 degrees cooler!
[17:51] <TAFB> once you get some PHP cache in there, it'll load in 0.0001 seconds ;)
[17:52] <Torikun> I just have to redo my daughters druapl site now http://rusher81572.com/steph
[17:52] <Torikun> lol
[17:52] <Torikun> mine transfered fine, hers did not
[17:53] <TAFB> not sure what it's supposed to look like, digging the pink tho :)
[17:53] <Torikun> lol
[17:53] <TAFB> how old is she? she gonna mess with the Pi?
[17:53] <Torikun> 7
[17:53] <TAFB> nice
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[17:54] <TAFB> on your "removing logging" blog post: http://rusher81572.com/?q=node/4
[17:54] <TAFB> at the bottom, the before/after, switch it around so it has rusher81572.com before, then rusher81572.com after.
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[17:54] <TAFB> they way they are split apart, makes it sound like it was slower after ;)
[17:54] <rossw> streetmapp: if its timing out it does sound like a problem with how you set up port forwarding
[17:55] <Torikun> for some problem on her drupal only, it goes http://rusher81572.com/steph/node/8 instead of what it is supposed to be rusher81572.com/steph/?q=node/8
[17:55] <streetmapp> rossw, yeah i know i did it rather quickly, thinking it was just going to work...
[17:55] <streetmapp> and the fact VNC is working, but not SSH, when I know local SSH works, since that's how i config'd my pi. def leaning towards user error.
[17:56] <rossw> yeah, sounds like you didnt set up the port forwarding correctly
[17:56] <rossw> i mean if you can ssh another address and you can access the pi by vnc
[17:56] <rossw> definately seems you didnt forward 22
[17:56] <rossw> if you did, well then im stumped
[17:56] <Torikun> TAFB: not understand exactly what you mean with the before and after
[17:56] <streetmapp> yeah...i had altered a rule that i had used before with SSH and i remembered it had worked. maybe i just fatfingered it.
[17:57] <rossw> it happens :)
[17:57] <TAFB> Torikun: like this: http://pastie.org/5649176
[17:57] <TAFB> so it's easier to see the speed increase
[17:58] <Torikun> ok
[17:58] <Torikun> ty
[17:58] <TAFB> np
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[17:58] <TAFB> will have to add an extra line under each "from apache to nginx, load times:"
[17:58] <TAFB> hehe
[17:58] <megaproxy> TAFB, !
[17:58] <megaproxy> Did you see my pc bits?
[17:58] <megaproxy> :D
[17:58] <TAFB> no. line!
[17:58] <TAFB> niklds
[17:58] <TAFB> link
[17:58] <TAFB> i can't type
[17:58] <TAFB> today
[17:58] <megaproxy> huuuur
[17:59] <megaproxy> http://i.imgur.com/jK4si.jpg
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[17:59] <TAFB> better be 16gb ram
[17:59] <megaproxy> its _so_ fast
[17:59] <megaproxy> 8 ;)
[17:59] <TAFB> u bastard
[17:59] <megaproxy> hahaha
[17:59] <megaproxy> i wont be using vm's right away
[17:59] <TAFB> did you build it yet? where's the super clean build case pic?
[17:59] <megaproxy> besides, i have a server with 32gb ram in
[17:59] <megaproxy> i forgot to take pics of the case
[17:59] <megaproxy> i built it at 2am
[17:59] <megaproxy> while really stoned and half asleep :X
[17:59] <megaproxy> but it was sooo clean
[17:59] <megaproxy> hovered it out, scrubbed it down
[17:59] <Torikun> hmm spacing problem with article now lol
[17:59] <megaproxy> hair dryed it
[17:59] <TAFB> run forget to keep her cool! http://ecuflashking.com/Gateway_i7/IMG_0881_L.png
[18:00] <TAFB> Torikun: yikes, need some spaces in that article! what a mess.
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[18:00] <megaproxy> why so many fans :|
[18:00] <megaproxy> and why such a big psu :|
[18:01] <megaproxy> mine is 550 and will be fine :D
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[18:01] <megaproxy> my old psu was bigger... :O
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[18:01] <TAFB> megaproxy: I'm running dual graphics card, my 550 was under a lot of load.
[18:01] <megaproxy> ah
[18:01] <megaproxy> my 660 runs at about 40 when playing far cry
[18:01] <megaproxy> i was supprised
[18:01] <megaproxy> my old ati card ran about 70c not doing anything...
[18:01] <megaproxy> POS
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[18:02] <rymate1234> my 4250 radeon mobility runs MC at 30 fps
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[18:02] <rymate1234> on a good day
[18:02] <TAFB> the fans are at idle like 99% of the time, only spin up in crysis 3 :)
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[18:03] <TAFB> megaproxy: you'll like that SSD, fast as snot :)
[18:03] <megaproxy> bro
[18:03] <megaproxy> i know :|
[18:03] <megaproxy> i put it to sleep
[18:03] <megaproxy> then came back, hit the power button
[18:03] <megaproxy> by the time i looked up, it was ready to login
[18:03] <Torikun> TAFB: i can format it lol
[18:03] <TAFB> nice.
[18:03] <megaproxy> *mind blown*
[18:03] <pksato> http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/diy/lego-announces-mindstorms-ev3-a-more-hackable-robotics-kit
[18:03] <megaproxy> TAFB, do you know a way to fast boot from cold?
[18:03] <TAFB> you know you're ish is working good, when you computer can wake up before you monitor does ;)
[18:03] <megaproxy> the main delay is the bios..
[18:04] <TAFB> megaproxy: only with Asrock motherboards.
[18:04] <megaproxy> bums
[18:04] <megaproxy> ohwell
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[18:04] <megaproxy> i need to order myself some new case fans..
[18:04] <TAFB> pksato: wtf kinda article is that with no demo video?!?! we can't have some crazy robotic cobra snake with no video.
[18:05] <TAFB> megaproxy: get Artic Cooling PWM fans, daisy chain them off CPU mobo lead, silent, will spin up when required.
[18:05] <megaproxy> hmmm
[18:05] <megaproxy> i have a fan speed controller
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[18:06] <TAFB> does it measure temp and adjust automatically?
[18:06] <TAFB> megaproxy: http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/suche?q=pwm&sSort=6&n=12&sFilter_category=2183
[18:06] <megaproxy> TAFB, no, its REALLY old
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[18:06] <megaproxy> i may get a digital one
[18:06] <TAFB> keep in mind, the pro fans are non-reversable (i.e. mostly used as rear exhaust fans in case).
[18:06] <megaproxy> with thermo's
[18:07] <TAFB> megaproxy: then it's garbage, use your MOBO! It's got temp fan controller already!
[18:07] <megaproxy> TAFB, remind me tonight to get some pics of my case
[18:07] <TAFB> just have to make sure to use PWM fans.
[18:07] <megaproxy> so i can show you it before it gets too dusty again
[18:07] <TAFB> k.
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[18:09] <TAFB> Torikun: now it's got too many spaces! :)
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[18:14] <Torikun> lol i gotta use <br> in html to do it
[18:15] <TAFB> serious? what kinda blog software is this?!?! haha
[18:16] <dr_willis> too many spazes.. ohhh nois!
[18:17] <streetmapp> i thought i had seen somewhere...that there was a web based management package. i forget where exactly i saw it, and was hoping someone knew what i was talking about :)
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[18:17] <streetmapp> i believe it displayed various system information and allowed various power management tasks from the web interface
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[19:07] <ryushe> anyone here notice anything odd with system time? I have entries in /var/log/messages that are not always in chronological order (on the same day that is), like having a message at 14:01:24 and then the next one might be at 13:47:38.
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[19:07] <SpeedEvil> the pi has no clock
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> system clock
[19:07] <ryushe> along the same lines, I booted the system around an hour ago, and uptime is reporting it's been running for 1 hour and 26 minutes
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> oh
[19:07] <pksato> HW RTC
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> you likely have something adjusting time
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> and it's screing up
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[19:08] <ryushe> what might that something be? rdate is not installed, and afaik I have set nothing else up that sets system time
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[19:09] <pksato> if have internet acess, ntp adjust time.
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[19:34] <Robbilie> hey guys and girls, what do you use your pi for? :)
[19:35] * dniMretsaM doesn't know what he's going to use it for yet
[19:35] <Robbilie> i would like to connect the gpios to my pcs power switch...not sure yet wether to use wake on lan or gpio
[19:35] <Robbilie> and i want a node.js webserver
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[19:37] <johnc_> I'm developing a home operating system on my small collection
[19:38] <rymate1234> johnc_, you're developing an operating system?
[19:38] <rymate1234> :o
[19:38] <johnc_> not an OS in the traditional sense
[19:38] <rymate1234> ah
[19:39] <rymate1234> so what do you mean then?
[19:39] <Amadiro> finally managed to get semi-transparent OpenGL drawing on top of a running videostream to work
[19:39] <johnc_> it's a collection of APIs for controlling various hardware and software in my home like lighting, tvs, ac, as well as APIs for apps like a recipe helper in the kitchen
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[19:40] <rymate1234> so it manages hardware
[19:40] <rymate1234> with software
[19:40] <rymate1234> sounds like an OS to me
[19:40] <rymate1234> lol
[19:41] <rymate1234> also wat
[19:41] <rymate1234> "apps like a recipe helper"
[19:41] <rymate1234> that sounds cool!
[19:41] <johnc_> hehe, projector + pi + a speech recognition server = win
[19:42] <IT_Sean> johnc_, whatcha going to use that for?
[19:42] <rymate1234> "raspberry pi, make me a sandwich"
[19:42] <IT_Sean> ERROR. Permission denied.
[19:42] <johnc_> IT_Sean: everything I can use it for :p
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[19:42] <rymate1234> sudo "raspberry pi, make me a sandwich"
[19:42] <IT_Sean> rymate1234, you are now a sandwich
[19:43] <johnc_> currently I'm getting a pi UI written to work on a TV screen
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[19:43] <johnc_> so you can use a remote to do things too
[19:43] <rymate1234> well crap
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[19:51] <streetmapp> so my IRC session seemed to crap out after i asked my question, so not sure if there was a response to it, so i'll re-ask
[19:52] <streetmapp> i had seen somewhere that there was a web based pi management app that showed various stats in relation to the pi. was hoping someone knows what i'm talking about
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[19:52] <Amadiro> streetmapp, there are hundreds of web-based system management apps
[19:52] <Amadiro> streetmapp, was it specifically for the pi?
[19:53] <streetmapp> Amadiro, i'm pretty sure it was specifically for the pi. I think i saw it in one of the many posts in regards to "what you can do with your pi" or similar
[19:53] <Amadiro> so what did it display
[19:53] <TAFB> you just mean the status stuff? like http://tafb.yi.org
[19:53] <streetmapp> disk space, memory usage, some simple power management options
[19:54] <johnc_> pi needs power management?
[19:54] <streetmapp> well the ability to reboot or shutdown from the interface i think
[19:54] <Amadiro> streetmapp, that's some pretty generic stuff, any such webinterface will be able to show you those
[19:54] <TAFB> pi does power management by automatically setting the clock speeds and ram and cpu voltages
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[19:56] <streetmapp> hmm ok. i'll go look at a few, thanks.
[19:56] <johnc_> hmm, I wonder if pi can monitor my UPS
[19:56] <Amadiro> that being said, I just wrote my own: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21559589/webinterface.png
[19:56] <Amadiro> its like 50 lines of python code or so, not particularly hard.
[19:57] <rossw> Amadiro: cute :3 is it available anywhere?
[19:57] <Amadiro> rossw, I didn't really bother to put it anywhere, as I said, it's like 50 lines or so...
[19:58] <rossw> id be interested to have a look, for educational purposes
[19:58] <rossw> i cant really program but i want to learn
[19:59] <Amadiro> rossw, I can pastebin it somewhere
[19:59] <rossw> thatd be cool :)
[20:00] <streetmapp> i agree with that sentiment rossw.
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[20:01] <streetmapp> been trying to get into python via codecademy and the like since it seems to be quite useful
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[20:02] <johnc_> it's use as a web language baffles me but it's decent for shell scripting and other such tasks
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[20:04] <bparker> what window manager is that
[20:04] <Robbilie> johnc_, collection?! how many do you have?
[20:04] <johnc_> <_<
[20:04] <johnc_> >_>
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[20:05] <Robbilie> ?! xD
[20:07] <johnc_> I actually only have 2 but I plan to buy a decent amount as availability allows when my APIs are more mature
[20:08] <johnc_> protip: ordering from Allied Electronics was a mistake
[20:08] <Amadiro> rossw, http://codepad.org/hTj5o8yl that's the basic webinterface, quick'n'dirty. I have some shellscripts as cronjobs that put the correct numbers into /tmp/status.log, /tmp/smartcheck every once in a while, and then a small script that updates /tmp/networkspeed and /tmp/temperature.log in short intervals
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[20:10] <Amadiro> the networkspeed monitoring daemon also does a few other things, like turning on a status LED if the network traffic goes over a certain threshold et cetera
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[20:11] <wachpwnski> I have a question about raspberry pi and xbmc
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[20:11] <Amadiro> rossw, http://codepad.org/6CjEOGag there, if you want to see that too
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[20:12] <rossw> Amadiro: thank you very much
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[20:14] <wachpwnski> I am just wondering if the raspberrypi has the horse power to run many of the plugins.
[20:14] <Amadiro> wachpwnski, it generally runs fairly slow compared to xbmc on a desktop system, but most plugins I've tried worked.
[20:15] <Amadiro> If you overclock a little and run it from a fast SD card, that helps a lot with menu lagginess when switching between plugins and such
[20:15] <wachpwnski> So it's basically the sd-card is what is the bottle neck?
[20:16] <johnc_> it's a $35 credit card sized computer, the bottleneck is the entire thing
[20:16] <IT_Sean> lol
[20:17] <Torikun> true dat johnc_
[20:17] <Torikun> I just switched from apache to nginx, much faster
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[20:17] <wachpwnski> lol
[20:17] <johnc_> now if some company engineered a pi like device that used the nvidia tegra chips, ohhh boy
[20:18] <Torikun> lololol
[20:18] <wachpwnski> haha
[20:18] <wachpwnski> johnc_ i was just going to say "have you heard of the tegra?"
[20:18] <pksato> mk802 devices have a similar cost, and more powerfull.
[20:18] <johnc_> try and spot the guy who's been using a few of the newer android devices :)
[20:18] <TAFB> I found the $35 Pi a bottle neck two, when I moved over 30 email domains and 18 websites over to it, it slowed to a crawl. So I ditched the Pi and went to a Seagate GoFlex Home I got for free (a few of them actually), works much better :) http://tafb.yi.org
[20:18] <wachpwnski> then I realized you said $35
[20:18] <Torikun> Go TAFB ! lol
[20:18] <Amadiro> wachpwnski, when you load a new plugin, and the SD card is slow, that'll be a noticeable bottleneck, yes
[20:19] <TAFB> johnc_: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451&tab_idx=1
[20:19] <Amadiro> wachpwnski, but xbmc is generally very heavyweight and over-engineered, so don't expect too much from it. it's not taylor-made for the rpi and the rpis videocore.
[20:20] <Amadiro> wachpwnski, but as I said, on a 512 megabyte model with a fast SD-card and a little overclocking, it runs pretty decent, IMO.
[20:20] * Torikun must get 512!
[20:20] <TAFB> where you live Torikun?
[20:21] <Torikun> Cali
[20:21] <johnc_> can you get xbmc to run from a usb hdd? does it have an image capable of booting from SD card and transferring to a usb disk?
[20:21] <TAFB> gimme your address in a pm/query and I'll mail ya my spare 512mb pi.;
[20:21] <wachpwnski> Yah I got the modelB with 512mb
[20:21] <johnc_> model b > *
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[20:22] <Torikun> TAFB: what do you use your pi in the nice case for
[20:23] <johnc_> nice case?
[20:23] <johnc_> must see
[20:23] <Torikun> he has a $75 case
[20:23] <Torikun> metal
[20:23] <Torikun> alluminum
[20:23] <johnc_> fancy
[20:23] <wachpwnski> I bought a starter kit
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[20:24] <Torikun> TAFB: think if I had the mysql server on a different box it would help with performance?
[20:25] <Torikun> mysql is eating a lot of resources
[20:25] <Torikun> but the IO bottleneck may still exist
[20:25] <johnc_> lol yes that would help
[20:25] <johnc_> mysql on a pi
[20:25] <johnc_> rofl
[20:26] <TAFB> Torikun: most of the CPU load is PHP. If you fire up some caching technology it will help 1000x :)
[20:26] <johnc_> rules for pi performance is to have it doing as little as possible
[20:26] <johnc_> make it as much into a dumb terminal as you can
[20:27] <Torikun> yeah
[20:27] <Torikun> TAFB: maybe after work I can start that.
[20:27] <TAFB> sounds like a plan
[20:27] <rossw> what seems to be a good value to overclock too?
[20:28] <Torikun> 1Ghz
[20:28] <Torikun> all my pi's run at that
[20:28] <rossw> oh ok
[20:28] <rossw> thats a decent increase
[20:29] <TAFB> rossw: using raspi-config to 1ghz might corrupt your SD card (does it on all of mine), check out this config.txt for a sweet 1ghz setup: http://pastebin.com/1aBsWs87
[20:29] <rossw> TAFB: im running arch so i dont believe i have raspi-config on it anyway? but thank you
[20:29] <Torikun> rossw: I can send you my settings
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[20:29] <TAFB> I heart arch :)
[20:30] <Torikun> Hellz yeah
[20:30] <rossw> me too
[20:30] <johnc_> I kinda miss the days when you saw a 700MHz cpu and were blown away but how fast it was!
[20:30] <rossw> got it dual booted on my desktop, on my VPS, on my macbook and now on my pi :D
[20:30] <rossw> Torikun: that would be fantastic if you could
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[20:31] <Torikun> 1 sec
[20:31] <rossw> no rush
[20:32] <Torikun> rossw: http://rusher81572.com/boot/
[20:32] <Torikun> my boot partition is there
[20:32] <rossw> Torikun: cheers :)
[20:32] <Torikun> copy cmdline.txt and config.txt
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[20:34] <rossw> will do, is there anywhere i can find out what the different options do? not that i dont trust you but dont want to blindly copy it without knowing what im changing
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[20:37] <johnc_> anybody know how to hide the desktop when using omxplayer so the screen is clearer for non-widescreen videos?
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[20:41] <johnc_> lol, from the wiki: hdmi_ignore_edid Enables the ignoring of EDID/display data if your display is a crappy Chinese one
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[20:45] <johnc_> TAFB: when handing out that config you should mention that it'd void the warranty on the pi
[20:46] <DDave> anyone running arch on the rpi?
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[20:47] <TAFB> johnc_: does not void the warranty on the Pi ;) only voids if using force_overclock
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[20:48] <blahee> johnc_: and what part of that confiug does void the warranty?
[20:48] <johnc_> TAFB: over_voltage > 0
[20:48] <TAFB> naaa, raspi-config 1ghz also does over_voltage, as long as not FORCED (over voltage is dynamic) it's OK.
[20:48] <blahee> lies. overvoltage=6 is not voding warrranty
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[20:49] <johnc_> oh, does it have to be in conjunction with force_tubro/temp_limit et al?
[20:49] <blahee> force_turbo=0 actually prevents any options that does void the warranty
[20:49] <johnc_> ah well ignore me then
[20:49] <johnc_> !
[20:50] <blahee> .... force_turbo will allow values higher than 6 ..... needing force_turbo=1
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[20:50] * IT_Sean voids warranties
[20:50] <ShiftPlusOne> blahee, not sure that what you're saying is correct. You can easily void your warranty without force_turbo.
[20:51] <blahee> seems to be "(force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0"
[20:51] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah
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[20:51] <blahee> but the mentioned config doesn't seem to have these conditions enabled
[20:52] <ShiftPlusOne> well I just joined so I only caught the last bit
[20:52] <blahee> i aasume the referred config is http://pastebin.com/1aBsWs87
[20:53] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that one is safe.
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[20:53] <johnc_> yeah, I thought just the over_voltage would void warranty
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[20:57] <Kane> bonsoir
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[21:08] <Toothpick> can anyone help? i just finished compiling XBMC and when running xbmc it says "XBMC needs hardware accelerated OpenGL rendering."
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[21:11] <axion> recompile it with the correct bindings
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[21:12] <Toothpick> axion: what are the correct bindings ?
[21:14] <axion> Toothpick: you must not use xbmc, and use xbmc-rbp instead
[21:14] <axion> xbmc will not work
[21:14] <Torikun> TAFB: would the php cache be done on my current pi or require another pi
[21:16] <johnc_> Torikun: it's a php extension you install into php running on your webserver
[21:16] <Torikun> how do I go about doing it
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[21:19] <Torikun> 4/clear
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[21:20] <Torikun> I got php-fpm installed and running
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[21:28] <raspier> Hi all, I'm struggling to get Chromium to build for an ARMv6 target
[21:28] <raspier> I have the following GYP_DEFINES
[21:28] <raspier> target_arch=arm sysroot=/home/rob/rootfs linux_use_tcmalloc=0 armv7=0 arm_thumb=0 arm_neon=0 chromeos=1 host_arch=ia32 host_os=linux werror=
[21:29] <raspier> and get the following build failure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1510462/
[21:29] <raspier> after running make -r -j1 hardfp=on BUILDTYPE=Release chrome
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[21:29] <ShiftPlusOne> that paste is jut one line
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[21:31] <Torikun> raspier: arch?
[21:31] <raspier> x86_64 host, ARMv6 target
[21:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Maybe shoot Hexxeh or mpthompson a message.
[21:32] <Hexxeh> are you trying to build it on a Pi?
[21:32] <Hexxeh> it's not going to work at all
[21:33] <ShiftPlusOne> he's cross-compiling
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[21:33] <raspier> Hexxeh: I'm building on a x86_64 host using a hf cross compiler
[21:33] <raspier> Hexxeh: Good to see you by the way :-)
[21:33] <Torikun> Hexxeh: thank you for saving my time, i was just about to compile it with yaourt
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[21:33] <Hexxeh> Torikun: you'll run out of memory at the link stage, if you even get that far actually
[21:34] <Hexxeh> raspier: can you post more of the log somewhere? can't see any error in the 1 line log you pasted
[21:34] <Torikun> ty
[21:34] <Torikun> any plans for chrome on the pi?
[21:35] <raspier> Hexxeh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1510487/
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[21:35] <Hexxeh> Oh dear, this looks gnarly
[21:36] <Hexxeh> Which toolchain is this?
[21:36] <raspier> Hexxeh: Indeed - for the record I'd meant to post that message on the chromium channel but got the wrong window :P
[21:37] <raspier> I'm using my own optimised hf toolchain build
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[21:39] <Hexxeh> which has just made me notice, my client has somehow forgotten about that channel, whoops
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[21:39] <raspier> Hexxeh: I've posted it there too
[21:41] <Hexxeh> sorry, my IRC client is crapping out heavily today, missing a few messages i think
[21:41] <Hexxeh> i'll have a quick look at that part of the code now see if i can take a guess what the issue is
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[21:51] <home> guys!
[21:51] <home> I am not able to power on my RPI from batteries
[21:51] <home> is the car charger, not able to power my RPI?
[21:51] <home> it works flawlessly from the outlet..
[21:52] <Vegar> home: more details please
[21:52] <IT_Sean> what's the spec on the car charger?
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[21:53] <home> 12V to 16V input
[21:53] <IT_Sean> and output???
[21:53] <home> output - 5V @1A
[21:53] <IT_Sean> 5V @ 1A should do. What happens when you try to power the Pi from it?
[21:53] <Vegar> home: what type of battery?
[21:53] <home> the power light and okay come on
[21:53] <home> NiMH
[21:54] <home> at 1.2 *4
[21:54] <home> fully charged..
[21:54] <IT_Sean> oh... are you powering the 12v adapter from a battery?
[21:54] <Vegar> home: 4.8 V?
[21:54] <home> yeah
[21:54] <IT_Sean> 4.8v will NOT work.
[21:54] <aDro> Any good boot loaders that will load onto a 512MB SD Card?
[21:54] <Vegar> home: you _just_ said the adapter is rated for 12-16V
[21:54] <home> yeah
[21:54] <home> and I am inputting that XD
[21:54] <IT_Sean> Then you need to give the adapter 12v
[21:54] <home> ...
[21:55] <home> But I want to power the RPI from 5V :/
[21:55] <home> I don't have 12V
[21:55] <IT_Sean> Then you need an adapter that runs off of 5v.
[21:55] <IT_Sean> you need 12v to use that adapter.
[21:55] <home> really? cool
[21:55] <home> but I swear
[21:55] <home> urgh
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[21:55] <IT_Sean> Yes. That is why is says right on it "input 12v to 16v"
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[21:55] <home> how am I going to power it :/
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[21:56] <home> I don't have a UBEC
[21:56] <IT_Sean> Well, you have two options...
[21:56] <IT_Sean> 1) come up with a 12v battery pack
[21:56] <ShiftPlusOne> Buy a car, take out the battery, dispose of car and you're set.
[21:57] <IT_Sean> or 2) properly regulate a 5v source.
[21:57] <home> yeah, I like 2 better :D
[21:57] <IT_Sean> It is probably far easier to find a 12v source that will work.
[21:57] <pksato> home: $35 is noting, power you rpi direct from 4.8V, use GPIO 5V and GND.
[21:57] <home> which pins?
[21:57] <Vegar> 4.8V will likely cause issues
[21:57] <IT_Sean> pksato, the Pi si not going to run for very long, if at all, from those batteries directly!
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[21:58] <IT_Sean> home, don't listen to pksato. That is not going to work.
[21:58] <home> so power the thing directly from GPIO?
[21:58] <pksato> yes, if voltage drop to 4V, rpi crash.
[21:58] <IT_Sean> That will work, but not with the battery pack you have,
[21:58] <home> I think the batteries might be 1.25
[21:58] <IT_Sean> The pi will not run for very long, if at all, when powered directly off that pack.
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[21:59] <pksato> On NiMH battery, voltage varies from 1.42V (full charged) to 0.98V (discharged).
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[22:01] <TheSeven> the raspberry pi will operate fine down to 4.0V if powered through GPIO
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[22:01] <mjr> Curious. Probably no USB devices on the Pi though?
[22:01] <TheSeven> it can even operate down to about 2.9V if you take care of powering the 3.3V rail properly (swapping the regulator or adding another one on the GPIO pins)
[22:01] <IT_Sean> Network & USB might drop out at or around that point
[22:02] <TheSeven> sure, USB devices will get whatever voltage you supply
[22:02] <TheSeven> network will be fine down to 2.9V
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[22:02] <DDave> hey guys, general question about databases, any alternative to mysql, as in "lower ressources" etc?
[22:02] <TheSeven> (assuming 3.3V stays above 2.7V)
[22:02] <TheSeven> and usb devices with their own power supply will work fine as well
[22:02] <Torikun> DDave: mysql is comsuming 24% of my pi's memory lol
[22:02] <pksato> DDave: sqlite.
[22:02] <DDave> o...0
[22:02] <TheSeven> possibly also some usb mice/keyboards that aren't picky about their input voltage
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[22:03] <DDave> Torikun, any specific reason you are sticking to mysql?
[22:03] <DDave> pksato, thank you. I shall have a look :)
[22:03] <Torikun> DDave: I do not want to reconfig druapl
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[22:03] <pksato> or, simple text files.
[22:03] <Torikun> and never used sqlite
[22:03] <mjr> TheSeven, true, there may be less picky usb devices. Spesifically some might just want to regulate down to 3.3V immediately anyway (though the regulator might need some leeway...)
[22:03] <DDave> Na thats too...hardcore pksato :D
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[22:04] <TheSeven> so with an additional ultra-low-dropout 3.3V regulator you can easily power an rpi off a single li-ion cell or 3 nimh cells
[22:04] <johnc_> if you run mysql you have the option to move it to a more powerful machine
[22:04] <Torikun> DDave: I was thinking about having mysql on a different box
[22:04] <DDave> Well, Id assume sqlite has some kind of export mechanism? Havent tried it so I cant speak for sure
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[22:05] <TheSeven> sqlite is file-based, if you want to access it remotely you have to do that through a transaction-safe network share
[22:06] <pksato> home: go to some hardware store and buy a lantern with usb port to charge devices.
[22:06] <DDave> thanks for the tips guys. Im going to have a look at my options :)
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[22:11] <home> SO WAIT
[22:11] <home> the RPI will work out of GPIO?
[22:11] <IT_Sean> what?
[22:11] <home> if power by GPIO
[22:11] <IT_Sean> Yes... Via the 5v pin and GND.
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[22:12] <IT_Sean> This is Not Recommended, but it will work.
[22:12] <home> so my 4.8V battery will make it work
[22:12] <home> directly
[22:12] <IT_Sean> Not for very long, but, probably.
[22:12] <IT_Sean> The run time is going to be dismal.
[22:12] <home> how long is "not very long"
[22:12] <mjr> yeah the gpio is (AFAIK) meant for output of the relevant voltages but can be used "creatively"...
[22:13] <home> quick question
[22:13] <home> which pins are the 5V and grnd
[22:13] <home> 1 and 3?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> The pinout is available on the website.
[22:13] <home> I know
[22:13] <home> but I remember pin 1 and 3
[22:13] <home> is that correct?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> I would double check.
[22:13] <IT_Sean> I do not recall, and applying 5v to the wrong pin WILL fry the Pi.
[22:14] <home> exactly
[22:14] <ShiftPlusOne> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
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[22:17] <home> confused
[22:17] <home> I dont understand the diagram..
[22:17] <home> whcih side of the RPi is it XD
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[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> hold the pi with the sd card up and gpio facing you
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> and that's this http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png
[22:18] <ShiftPlusOne> that's a revision 1 pinout though
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> see the table on the page for the differences
[22:19] <ShiftPlusOne> since you probably have a rev 2
[22:20] <mgottschlag> actually, pin one is even marked on the pcb (small box next to the "P1" label)
[22:20] <home> I have a rev 1
[22:20] <home> with the 256MB
[22:20] <ShiftPlusOne> then that image is fine for you.
[22:21] <ShiftPlusOne> and as mgottschlag points out, you can see a 'P1' on the board silkscreen as well
[22:22] <home> well time to do some frying :D
[22:22] <home> brb
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[22:22] <ShiftPlusOne> Keep in mind the numbers go from left to right, not vertically. So pin 2 is on the right of pin 1, not underneath.
[22:22] * IT_Sean will bet you ??10 he fries it.
[22:23] <ShiftPlusOne> Why would you use ?? I don't think you even have the symbol on your keyboard O_o
[22:24] <IT_Sean> I keep forgettign where you are, ShiftPlusOne.
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> aus
[22:24] <IT_Sean> In that case... i bet you $15.30 he fries it
[22:24] <IT_Sean> :p
[22:24] <ShiftPlusOne> better
[22:25] <johnc_> ShiftPlusOne: managing to stay cool? I saw the temps in aus currently, it's insane
[22:25] <IT_Sean> I'll also make a seperate bet that he fries it because he tries to solder directly to the pins, and ends up bridging something (i.e. "pulling a daniel")
[22:26] <ShiftPlusOne> I am in Melbourne. The temperature here doesn't stay steady for more than a day. So if there's a hellish hot day, the next day is usually quite cold.
[22:26] <IT_Sean> lol
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[22:28] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml As you can see, it's 82F, then 100F and 77F again the next day.
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[22:28] <IT_Sean> I could live with that. :p
[22:29] <IT_Sean> It's been cold here. Down around the 40s to 50s (F)
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[22:30] <ShiftPlusOne> I can tolerate cold... can always put on a sweater or turn on the heating. But when it's one of those humid 105F days.... bleh...
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[22:31] <IT_Sean> I don't like the cold
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[22:31] <johnc_> I live in midwest USA, it gets cooooold here
[22:31] <ShiftPlusOne> How often do you have humid 105F (41C) days?
[22:32] <IT_Sean> Well... I haven't been through a summer here yet, but.. i'm told... fairly often.
[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, see if you prefer cold then.
[22:32] <IT_Sean> I don't. I prefer warm.
[22:32] <IT_Sean> i do not like being cold.
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[22:32] <ShiftPlusOne> Well, that's just cheating.
[22:33] <ShiftPlusOne> Everyone prefers warm. It's a matter of cold vs hot.
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[22:33] <IT_Sean> I prefer hot to cold.
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[22:34] <ShiftPlusOne> lies, all lies.
[22:37] <IT_Sean> hush you.
[22:37] <IT_Sean> Your toilets swirl backwards. Your opinion is, therefore, of little value. :p
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Actually, that's a lie.
[22:37] <ShiftPlusOne> (too)
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[22:38] <ShiftPlusOne> The toilets don't even swirl. But if they did, the hemisphere doesn't make a difference.
[22:38] <IT_Sean> o_O
[22:39] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp
[22:40] <johnc_> it only really effects large weather patterns afaik
[22:40] <ShiftPlusOne> yup
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[22:41] <IT_Sean> fair 'nuff.
[22:41] <IT_Sean> learn something new each day.
[22:41] <ShiftPlusOne> Yeah, I lost all faith in The Simpsons when I found that out.
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[22:42] <johnc_> Napoleon wasn't even short either!
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, different units were used IIRC
[22:42] <ShiftPlusOne> or rather same units with different definitions
[22:43] <johnc_> french feet
[22:43] <johnc_> ie. about 5 inches shorter in his case
[22:43] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[22:44] <IT_Sean> Most French things are about 5 inches shorter than normal... or so i am told.
[22:45] <ShiftPlusOne> D=
[22:46] <johnc_> my wife's ex is a frenchman, I won't tell you what she thinks of that statement
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[22:48] <johnc_> the whole taste map of your tongue isn't right either!
[22:48] * johnc_ is full of useless trivia
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[23:02] <Torikun> TAFB: yo there?
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[23:08] <Torikun> any netatalk/time machine users herE?
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[23:09] <ShiftPlusOne> If I had a time machine, the last thing I've doing is sit around here.
[23:09] <doctorray> torikun, i've dabbled.. not an expert by any means
[23:09] <Torikun> Apple timemachine lol
[23:09] <doctorray> more a question for the afp538 people
[23:09] <Torikun> doctorray: I found the prefect way to use time machine
[23:10] <Torikun> I have a linux server with the time machine server on it and the volume is managed by LVM
[23:10] <Torikun> you can make mirrors and break them into seperate volumes to help when time machine messes up your backup lol
[23:10] <Torikun> That is the only way I truest time machine lol
[23:10] <Torikun> so unstable
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[23:11] <doctorray> not really a big TM fan myself either. :)
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[23:11] <doctorray> I replaced an apple raid server with netatalk two years ago
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[23:11] <doctorray> only had to upgrade when lion came out because of the newer protocol version
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[23:16] <pfdotn> Out of interest, what issues have you encountered with Time Machine?
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[23:24] <doctorray> pfdotn: I think it has something to do with the user interface. :) never really liked the flying through space look
[23:25] <doctorray> but I do like the versioning aspect and the hard links setup
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[23:25] <doctorray> I wish they incorporated an easier network time machine earlier rather than the hacks I had to do to make it work
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[23:27] <pfdotn> doctorray: Ah. Understandable.
[23:27] <doctorray> pi question while I'm here
[23:28] <doctorray> has anyone got any updates on the possibilities of resizing/scaling/positioning a omxplayer output? looking at omxplayer issue number 27
[23:29] <doctorray> I'm interested in playing 1/4 screen video with a webpage behind it as opposed to, like, using a vlc plugin on that page like I have on other boxes
[23:30] <doctorray> [SkG]: might that be on your roadmap? sorry to bug
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[23:42] <Wardio> hello!
[23:43] <Wardio> Just got a rpi (whoop!) and got raspbmc installed and running.
[23:43] <Wardio> however when I plugin in usb hard drive to it, it restarts
[23:43] <IT_Sean> You need a powered USB hub to tun a HDD
[23:43] <Torikun> power issue
[23:43] <Wardio> is this a power issue?
[23:44] <Wardio> can anyone recommend one?
[23:44] <ShiftPlusOne> no, they are all terrible
[23:44] <aDro> If you have not been to zombo.com you have not experienced the internet. Anything is possible at zombo.com
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[23:45] * ShiftPlusOne is not sure if spam
[23:45] <FrankBlues> I've been happy with some simple Belkin 4-port hubs.
[23:45] <aDro> I have a Belkin 4 port hub
[23:45] <Wardio> can you power the pi from one of the ports?
[23:45] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[23:45] <aDro> With extra power
[23:45] * aDro was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean
[23:45] <Wardio> (if that even makes sense!)
[23:45] <DDave> anything is possible IT_Sean
[23:45] <Grievre> IT_Sean: wait... seriously?
[23:45] <DDave> how could you? :D
[23:45] <Wardio> aDro: what do you mean?
[23:46] <Primer> Anyone have any opinions regarding the best site to order a Pi from in the US?
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[23:46] <Wardio> like use a micro to usb cable to connect, and have that power it?
[23:46] <Wardio> (ie save having to have two power cables
[23:46] <FrankBlues> Hub ports usually give 500ma, pi needs min 500, preferably more.
[23:46] <Grievre> doesn't the model B pi need 700?
[23:46] <IT_Sean> the B needs 750, min
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[23:46] <ShiftPlusOne> min?
[23:46] <IT_Sean> minimum
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[23:47] <ShiftPlusOne> isn't the polyfuse tripped at 750?
[23:47] <Wardio> so I'd need one of those two usb to one micro usb cables?
[23:47] <IT_Sean> if you DRAW more than that throuhg the USB, yes. But, you can SUPPLY the Pi with more.
[23:47] <IT_Sean> I say Minimum, because some users hear "750ma" and are afraid to rock a 1A supply.
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> IT_Sean, nope, that's the polyfuse at the input. You can't supply the pi with more than whatever the fuse starts to trip at.
[23:48] <IT_Sean> O_o
[23:48] <FrankBlues> I have a cheapo ($5 on amazon) Samsung supply that gives 1A, and have had no problems with it.
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[23:48] <IT_Sean> The Pi will only draw what it needs.
[23:48] <johnc_> Primer: element14
[23:48] <IT_Sean> You can use a 1A supply if you want to.
[23:48] <IT_Sean> Now... yes, if the Pi tries to draw more than that, it'll trip.
[23:48] <Primer> johnc_: thanks
[23:48] <ShiftPlusOne> Sure, but 750mA isn't the minimum.
[23:49] <IT_Sean> fine.
[23:49] <frikinz> http://xkcd.com/855/ not sure that was spam :)
[23:49] <IT_Sean> wrong term on my part.
[23:49] <ShiftPlusOne> I accept your apology
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[23:49] <IT_Sean> let me rephrase... the Power supply should be capable of supplying at least 750ma. More is okay, although the Pi cannot draw more than 750 ma.
[23:49] <IT_Sean> ^ That accurate?
[23:49] <Wardio> cool
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> It can, it will just become unstable and eventually turn off when the polyfuse drops the voltage sufficiently.
[23:50] <ShiftPlusOne> *restart
[23:50] * IT_Sean appends "without wigging out" "ymmv" and "ianal" to the above statement
[23:51] <Torikun> TAFB: it was faster running mysql on the pi
[23:51] <Torikun> lol
[23:51] <Primer> As far as a power supply, I have several 'wall jack to USB' devices, but since I'm at work, and they're all at home, does anyone know if there's a standard for those? As in, what's the default amperage they supply, if there is such a thing?
[23:51] <Primer> as well as several mini/micro USB cables
[23:51] <Wardio> so the belking 4 port hub that you can buy with the pi, is that mains powered
[23:51] <Wardio> ?
[23:51] <IT_Sean> Primer, it will have the output rating printed on the supply.
[23:52] <Primer> IT_Sean: of course
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[23:52] <IT_Sean> there is no "standard" some may supply 500ma. Some 750. some 1A, etc...
[23:52] <Primer> I'm just trying to get a feel for what they default to, as I'm cheap, and would rather not have to buy something I already have
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[23:52] <Primer> yeah, I hear you
[23:52] <IT_Sean> 500ma is, i believe, the minimum you will see. you need a supply capable of at least 750 to run a Pi.
[23:52] <Primer> guess I'll wait til I get home then
[23:53] <IT_Sean> apply Plug and Pray. You will not damage your Pi by using the wrong USB supply. It just may not boot.
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[23:53] <Wardio> so the belking 4 port hub that you can buy with the pi, is that mains powered?
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> warddr, I don't know what supplier you're talking about or what hub they're selling.
[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> Wardio, *
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[23:54] <ShiftPlusOne> but probably, yes.
[23:54] <warddr> ShiftPlusOne: how dear you pinging me for that :D
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[23:54] <Wardio> as in the one on rs-online
[23:54] <Wardio> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/usb-20-4-port-powered-desktop-hub/2000123389.aspx
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> warddr, I dear you very much!
[23:55] <IT_Sean> It says "powered" right in the URL.
[23:55] <warddr> *dare
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> dear was better
[23:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I would've also accepted deer
[23:55] <Wardio> IT_Sean, didn't want to get confused by it saying "port powered"
[23:56] <IT_Sean> a "powered hub" is, by definition "mains powered". There is no such thing as "port powered hub"
[23:56] <IT_Sean> it's a 4 port, powered hub.
[23:56] <Wardio> coolio
[23:56] <IT_Sean> i.e. it has 4 ports. and is mains powered.
[23:57] <mjr> well there is but we don't call them that ;)
[23:57] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
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[23:57] <IT_Sean> Actually... i heard that Belkin is working on a hub that is powered by hopes, dreams, and unicorn farts.
[23:57] <defsdoor> is gordonDrogon here ?
[23:57] <IT_Sean> Specifically for the raspi!
[23:57] <ShiftPlusOne> defsdoor, he's always here
[23:58] <Wardio> IT_Sean, do you think a cable like this ( http://www.ebuyer.com/268061-startech-com-usb-y-cable-for-external-hard-drive-1-8m-black-usb2hauby6 ) would power the pi?
[23:58] <defsdoor> is he awake ?
[23:58] <defsdoor> :)
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> he's always awake D=
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[23:58] <IT_Sean> Why do you need one with two USB ports?
[23:58] <ShiftPlusOne> just not right now I guess
[23:58] <Wardio> IT_Sean, to draw enough power for pi?
[23:58] <IT_Sean> from what?
[23:58] <defsdoor> I've been making using of wiringpi and was wondering if the delay functions would be better off using timer interrupts
[23:58] <Wardio> though looking at this cable, its 6ft long ;P
[23:58] <IT_Sean> you need one power supply.

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